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| 2006/9/11-14 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany] UID:44350 Activity:moderate |
9/11 This happened during WW2 on September 12th. It illusrated what kind
of justice American unleash upon otherwise professional German
Navy:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laconia_incident
\_ Cool! Chicom Troll is back, I was getting worried. -John
\_ I remember watching something on the History Channel about some WWII
German ships trying to attack a British ship which was rescuing
German sailors from a German boat it had sunk earlier, forcing the
British ship to stop the rescue operation, abandon the remaining
Germans still in water, and fled the scene. These things are just
facts of warfare. After the war was over, the British sailors and
the rescued German sailors on that ship had regular reunions
together in memory of the event.
My impression from TV and movies are that the western militaries
My impression from TV and movies is that the western militaries
of both the Axis and the Allies were highly professiona. (The
Japanese were probably not. Didn't know about the other Asian
ones.) I was most touched by a scene in the last episode of the
ones.) I was most touched by a scene in the last episode of
Band of Brothers, which, after Germany surrendered, the German
officer drew his career-long side arm and offered to the American
officer drew his career-long sidearm and offered to the American
officer as a sovenior, saying "it's better than letting it sit on
some clark's desk collecting dust". In response the American offer
got up from his chair-rocking lay-back posture to standing-up in
full-alert, saying "you can keep you side arm, officer." Then they
full-alert, saying "you can keep you sidearm, officer." Then they
saluted.
\_ The Japanese army was highly professional, but adhered to
different "rules" of war, like Germans in Russia. In any case,
there are several examples of alleged Allied war crimes (check
wikipedia for a fun shitfight on the topic), many of which
weren't prosecuted because they sort of went under in the
general confusion, or it was felt the end justified the means.
The Laconia incident, while real, is a hilarious example of
ChiCom troll's ninja troll-fu, though, in the context of "ha ha
you puny American, you think you so good, well you do xyz <dig
up random unconnected irrelevant obscure badness>." -John
\_ japanphile. you are not alone.
\_ ...wtf? If I don't think someone's a monster, I'm a
someonephile? Your logic is broke. |
| 2006/7/17-19 [Reference/History/WW2/Japan, Reference/History/WW2/Germany] UID:43684 Activity:nil |
7/17 Dutch to allow pedophile political party
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/5187010.stm
\_ Hmm, what's The Netherland's immigration policy for Americans?
\_ ew.
\_ So what? Democracy isn't something you should be afraid of.
\_ Having a pedophile party isn't democracy. It is the
institutionalizing of criminally aberrant behavior.
\_ Only if anyone votes for them... As soon as you say "some laws
shouldn't be democratically decided, ever" then you have to
have someone who _doesn't_ represent the people create them,
and that's trouble. Of course pedophilia is abhorrent, this
isn't institutionalizing anything. The US has a pot party,
that hasn't made pot legal.
\_ The US has a pot party. The US also is leaning towards
making pot legal and has done so locally in many places.
Without a group pushing for the decriminalisation of
criminal acts, they will remain criminal. With a group
pushing for legalising the acts, they will eventually
shift policy in that direction through back room bargaining
and vote swapping. The only hope is that they never manage
to elect anyone. Although if they do that alone says
the host country that they may be beyond hope anyway.
\_ Can the same argument be applied to communism? A communist
party is illegal in the US.
\_ *sigh* http://www.cpusa.org
\_ Thanks! (Not that I like communism.) -- PP
\_ http://www.cpusa.org/article/static/511/#question18
"Aren't socialist countries anti-religion?"
"In China, ..., there are many religious
institutions, many millions who worship freely, many
churches that are growing. ..."
That says it all. (But it's off topic.)
\_ Really? I thought there was one. Well, if that's true,
it probably happened during the 50's, the same time we
put God into the pledge, and did any number of other
stupid reactionary things.
\_ Uhh, no it isn't.
\_ IIRC, the United States is now one of the few countries
that still has a communist party. We might be the only
multi-party country that has one. I vaguely recall
something about all of them renaming themselves the
socialist party after the USSR fell but I'm too lazy
and apathetic to look it up.
\_ Japan still has a communist party. One of the Diet
reps from Kochi (the prefecture where I lived) was
Communist. --erikred
\_ PCI in Italy? Partito Comunista Italiano. Still
pretty big there.
\_ Ok so 3 of em. I'm ok with that.
\_ Plus all the actual, well, communist countries,
plus France, England, Germany, India, and
pretty much every other countri I can
pretty much every other country I can
think of. -John
\_ The communist countries aren't multi-party.
I don't count Cuba, China, etc, which claim
to be communist but are just dictatorships. |
| 2006/6/15-16 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany] UID:43408 Activity:kinda low |
6/15 http://www.flickr.com/photos/pelzig/167844070 The Germans had nightvision in WW2. HEIL! \_ as did the US thanks to RCA/Zworkyin \_ as did the US thanks to RCA/Zworykin \_ Versions of the Vampir were also mounted on Panther tanks and halftracks. -John |
| 2006/6/14-15 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany] UID:43381 Activity:nil |
6/13 http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/daily/nov98/nazicars30.htm Henry Ford was a Nazi, and the Ford Corporation loved money more than principle. Boycott Ford! \_ So let's stop buying anything from IBM, any Germany company, Ford, and hey anyone who knows anyone who might be German. \_ i hate to say this, but Nazi is not necessarily mean absolute evil. During the Nanjing massacare, the guy who saved most of lives were member of SA party while rest of British/American personnel didn't do squat. \_ Yo, chicom troll! Buddy! Great to see you back! \_ How many dudes got 'saved'? 20? 50? please give url ok tnx \_ God damnit, America is evil! Boycott all American made vehicles to make their industry suffer! \_ Carls Jr founder donated to teh KKK. So what? |
| 2006/6/11-13 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany] UID:43350 Activity:nil |
6/11 Japanese panzer fans, jawohl! Weirdos.
http://www5e.biglobe.ne.jp/~sensya -John
\_ HEIL JAPANESE JO...oh wait.
\_ Offensive on many many different levels. Thanks John! |
| 2006/6/9-11 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany, Politics/Foreign/Europe] UID:43339 Activity:nil |
6/9 http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060609/od_nm/germany_sausage_dc How to kill a women with a German sausage |
| 2006/6/8-10 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany, Politics/Foreign/Europe] UID:43329 Activity:nil |
6/8 Heil German John!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060608/od_nm/germany_biting_dc_1
\_ Heh, thanks for the joint effort. However, last month I found out
he's not a real German so I stopped posting German links.
Thanks for the continued efforts anyways. -the other GJ guy
\_ *snif* I'm moved. And other GJ guy, can't you come up with
something? I miss you. ChiCom troll's disciples have been sort
of sub-par recently. -John
\_ Sorry for your dwindling fan club membership but as a former
member, I quit. I was very disappointed that you're not a real
German. You see, I only troll Ayrans, people who have true
Germanic blood. You're impure and not worth trolling for.
I guess if the Swiss were funny I'd continue my trolls
except they're not. They're notoriously boring and very
difficult to make fun of. Good luck with your fake-German
fan club. -the other GJ guy
\_ I'm pretty aryan, please love me. -John |
| 2006/5/22-28 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:43152 Activity:nil |
5/22 Yet another wave of mental midgetry washes over the CSUA. Bright
young undergrads who wanted the motd web-indexed: this is one of
the main reasons why people were arguing against it. -John
\_ Please stop trolling us and just tell us whether you sympathize
with the Nazis or not. I don't know enough Swiss to say
whether a big proportion of them are Nazi sympathizers or not,
but I know first hand that many Austrians are. If you give a
straightforward yes (I'm a Nazi sympathizer) or no (I'm not
a Nazi sympathizer), I promise to leave you alone. Deal?
\_ Jesus H Christ, get some medication, son. You've been obsessing
about this junk nonstop for waaaay too long. It's not only
stupid, it's boring. -mice
\_ You're a pathetic moron. John doesn't have to say anything
for you, anonymous coward. If you're going to name other
people, post your own name, you fetid pile of refuse.
-jrleek
\_ Um, you know that Solomon is a *fucking*Jewish*name* right?
\_ Um, you know that Salomon is a *fucking*Jewish*name* right?
You do know that John is Jewish right? I don't have to explain
this to you, do I?
\_ ...stormfront and white-history. Good grief, Charlie Brown, who
gave the nutcases motd accounts?
\_ FYI, the current undergrads had nothing to do with motd indexing.
I only wrote the wallall RSS script. And that has been hidden from
Google. It was some predecessor who did the web MOTD. If you'd like,
in the near future I can look into hiding it too. In other words,
quitcherbitchin. ;) --michener
\_ kchang put some effort into getting rid of the
identifiers to protect the guilty. maybe you can too.
----------stupidity below this line---------- |
| 2006/5/22-28 [Reference/History/WW2, Reference/History/WW2/Germany] UID:43144 Activity:nil |
5/22 http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060522/od_nm/britain_potatoes_dc Potatoes may contain pieces of German ordnances from WW1 and WW2. \_ obPotatoMasher: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model_24_grenade |
| 2006/5/16-18 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany, Politics/Foreign/Europe] UID:43068 Activity:nil |
5/16 http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060516/od_nm/germany_mugger_dc Heil German people. I don't heil John anymore because he's not German |
| 2006/3/5-7 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany] UID:42102 Activity:kinda low |
3/5 German John, do you have a picture of you wearing a lederhosen?
\_ hi kchang!
\_ omgwtfbbq?!?! -kchang
\_ "He was young, he needed the money"
\_ Sorry, I may be a bit slow here, but I don't get it. Where is the
fascination coming from? Aside from the fact that I'm not German
and I'm not a nazi (as the Heil Cherman John Guys imply), I don't
fascination coming from? Aside from the fact that I'm neither
German, nor a nazi as the Heil Cherman John Guys imply, I don't
understand the point of these posts. They aren't witty, creative,
funny or even offensive. Rather, they come across as sort of sad
and pathetic. I'm not asking you to stop, as it's really a non-
issue to me, I'm just sort of curious as to why you bother. Can
one of the HCJG explain for the benefit of all of us? -John
issue to me, I'm just sort of curious as to why you bother. Could
one of the HCJGs explain for the benefit of all of us? -John
\_ When I was in junior high school we had a kid in the class whose
name was Stanley. For some reason the collective consciousness
off the class had decided that "Stanley" was a hilarious name.
of the class had decided that "Stanley" was a hilarious name.
So whenever his name got called out the whole class would start
yelling "Stanley stanley stanley" while Stanley would sit and
have a "WTF?" look on his face. It's totally stupid and
pointless and people don't have anything better to do.
pointless and people don't have anything better to do, at least
if they have a junior high school level of mentality.
\_ It's all about getting a rise out of ya. -!op |
| 2006/2/22-23 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany, Politics/Foreign/Europe] UID:41951 Activity:nil |
2/21 http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060220/od_nm/germany_drugs_dc Description of the URL is self explanitory (Germany Drugs). |
| 2006/2/15 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany, Politics/Foreign/Europe] UID:41868 Activity:low |
2/15 http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060215/od_nm/germany_bed_dc Heil German John's younger brother! \_ Are we sure he didn't let a chick tie him up in anticipation of S&M, and then the chick changed her mind and left? |
| 11/23 |
| 2006/2/7-9 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany] UID:41751 Activity:kinda low |
2/7 Is IKEA from Sweden or Switzerland? I always get those two confused.
\_ Here is an easy way to remember this. Switzerland has a lot of
other people's money but don't really do much with them. For example
they kept a lot of Jew and Nazi money but didn't do jack with
them. The only cool things from Switzerland that are easily
recognizable in the US are the Swiss Army Knife and
the overpriced Swiss Watch. At any rate, both countries are
full of nationalistic white Scandi-Eurotrashes who think they're
better than everyone else and in that respect John is right.
\_ There is also Swiss chocolate in the US.
\_ Don't forget the better roads. We like dogs too. And you're
correct, we are better than everyone else. -John
\_ In what ways are you better?
\_ Much more skilful at stealing the gold. -John
\_ Mr. IKEA IS A NAZI.
He attended some pro-Nazi meetings and apologized only after
his past was discovered. Reality-- he's not sorry, he's just
saying that to placate IKEA stockholders.
\_ When I was little, I thought they were the same thing. I thought
they were all weird blonde people with funny American accents.
Now I'm older, I still think they're weird blonde people
with funny accents, and still unable to find differences.
\_ Sweden. Ingvar Kamprad Elmtaryd Agunnaryd.
\_ Duh!
\_ Same thing. -John
\_ Tóstarmyndband aldarinnar
http://www.hugi.is/hahradi/bigboxes.php?box_id=51208&f_id=1471
\_ This has got to be one of the most disturbing music videos
I have ever seen in my life. The retro gay images keep
replaying in my mind and I can't sleep. Is this weirdo
retro gay style common in in Iceland? Or is it in fact
a gay music video shot in the 60s?
\_ I thought most videos were in that style back in those days,
when I was a kid.
\_ What does this Iceland video have to do with IKEA or Switzerland
or Sweden?
\_ hint: colors of the flag
\_ Swiss is where all the Nazi and Japanese stolen from raping
their nearby Asian brethren gold that they didn't have enough
time to hide in the Phillipines and they didn't guard very
well because they were too busy getting NUKED by Truman
so Marcos discovered some and that Korean freak Sun Moon
found the other billion or so in gold bullion, is stored,
Sweden is where they make Volvos and the girls (and boys)
enjoy running around naked when weather permits.
\_ Does your nose bleed when you spaz like this?
\_ IKEA carries Swedish meatballs. |
| 2006/1/24-25 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany] UID:41503 Activity:low |
1/24 Slideshow comparing Nazi political cartoons
vs. conservative Cox & Forkum political cartoons
http://www.drmenlo.com/lgfquiz/slideshow1.html
[restored]
\_ Got tired of waiting for the comic to load.
\_ Gee, 2 cartoonists, both from western cultural heritage,
occasionaly use similar imagery! Say it ain't so! Hey, Hitler
went on vacations, and Bush went on vacation! Bush = Hitler!1!1 |
| 2006/1/13-17 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany] UID:41369 Activity:moderate |
1/12 Funny, I always gave Pamela Anderson more credit than this, but
apparently she IS as stupid as she seems. I guess anyone who would
sleep with Tommy Lee is suspect...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060113/ap_en_tv/pamela_vs_the_colonel
\_ The question is why you ever gave her any credit at all.
\_ "FRANKFORT, Ky. - Pamela Anderson is leading a charge to remove a
bust ......"
Oh no!!!
\_ You'll always have the internet.
\_ She likes swallowing huge pieces of meat, but only if attached to
Tommy Lee.
\_ ITYM Kid Rock.
\_ I have no proof that Kid Rock is huge. I do have proof
Tommy Lee is huge.
\_ How many inches?
\_ The camera, um, adds inches.
\_ So does your mom. Now explain to me how having a pet
cause (no pun..sorry) makes you stupid? -John
\_ Are you kidding? You've got to be an idiot to support
PETA.
\_ PETA are slugs--they've ruined the business of
some of my family's friends. That said, if any
of what they're claiming is even halfway true,
it's wrong. Hitler liked dogs, I like dogs, does
that make me a nazi? (Go Godwin!) -John
\_ Ja Nazi. Heil German John! HEIL!!!
\_ No free speech for fascists. -John |
| 2006/1/6-9 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany] UID:41276 Activity:low |
1/6 http://tinyurl.com/96ukz Walmart halts Triumph of the Will DVD movie suggestion that was linked to Bush Family Fortunes DVD \_ what? english please?? \_ Triump of Will was a Nazi propaganda movie made before ww2. \_ That was the only obvious part of this post. What does the rest mean? \_ yes, and why a link to http://amazon.com?? |
| 2006/1/4-6 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany] UID:41217 Activity:low |
12/4 12 US minors trapped, 12 German skaters died, dozens of
Indonesians died in landslide. Apocalypse? Rapture?
\_ 12 days of Christmas
\_ I know you're just being snarky, but this is just the same old
"if it bleeds, it leads" shitty journalism the media has
produced since forever. Anything good happening appears as a
light and fluffy human interest story in the home & garden
section's 3rd page.
\_ Actually the big story on the front page of the Merc was
about how 12 miners were found alive! Whoops. But see
the feel good story was TOP OF THE NEWS.
\_ minors?
\_ Rapture? It wasn't the rapture when hundreds of thousands died
in the tsunami. It wasn't the rapture when tens of millions
died in WW2. Maybe you could call the greenhouse baking of
the earth in 50-100 years time "rapture" but that's man made ...
Why don't you just call it what it is: a desperate hope of fairy
tales being proven "true" any way possible.
tales being proven "true" with the loosest test of "truth"
possible.
\_ Rapture is when yermom finds a banana.
\_ The religious nutjobs weren't in charge yet back then.
Oh wait, I guess they were during the tsunami. -John |
| 2005/12/29-2006/1/4 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:41164 Activity:nil |
12/28 Former Iraq Hostage Makes Bizzare TV Appearance
If nothing else, the picture is worth checking out
http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/0,1518,392690,00.html |
| 2005/12/21-23 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany, Politics/Foreign/Europe] UID:41110 Activity:nil |
12/21 http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20051221/od_nm/germany_lottery_dc Paranoid German woman who won the lottery didn't want to claim the prize. German women rule. \_ Rule? What is so great about having experienced such shit that when something good happens she thinks its a scam? |
| 2005/12/15-18 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany] UID:41034 Activity:kinda low |
12/15 http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20051215/od_nm/germany_salute_dc Hitler salute greets concentration camp visitors. Sorry I can't help it -- Heil John! \_ Huh? Anyway, it might amuse you that I'm moving to Chile, and our landlord is called "Juan Oehninger". -John \_ that's funny. are you moving to Colonia Dignidad I mean Villa Baviera? - danh \_ Nein, but I do tell people I'm going to hunt nazis. For some reason, most of the management types I deal with do not see much difference between IT security and "other" security consulting... -John \_ http://www.spiegel.de/panorama/0,1518,390735,00.html American woman gives birth to 17th child. -- Go American John! \_ What's with you John fetishists? You guys are retards. \_ I attract weirdos, it's a skill. -John \_ In real life also? \_ Yes. I don't quite manage the same dysfunctional demographics in my varied fan groups as danh. -John \_ You, ilyas and emarkp seem to attract quite an interesting following. -mice \_ "The incident took place in Brandenburg, a state in the former communist East, where far right parties get a much larger share of the votes than they do in the West." Interesting. |
| 2005/12/9-11 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany] UID:40939 Activity:nil 100%like:40937 |
12/9 nazi werewolves
http://tinyurl.com/cshf6
\_ LOL. I've been waiting 2 years for someone to bring that up.
Cf. the Lars von Trier film "Zentropa" (aka Europa). Now stop
bothering to come up with analogies between these guys and the
current Iraqi issue.
\_ Huh? -John |
| 2005/12/9 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany] UID:40937 Activity:nil 100%like:40939 |
12/9 nazi werewolves
http://www.thehistorychannel.co.uk/site/tv_guide/full_details/World_history/programme_2412.php |
| 2005/12/7-9 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany, Politics/Foreign/Europe] UID:40909 Activity:nil |
12/7 http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20051207/od_nm/garbage_dc Call of nature saves German man. HEIL GERMAN MAN! |
| 2005/12/7-9 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany, Politics/Foreign/Europe] UID:40904 Activity:low |
12/7 http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20051207/od_nm/germany_toothpaste_dc German shoplifter had a brush with the law. \_ Just goes to show you never can tell where your toothpaste has been. \_ He mistook those toothpaste for KY Jelly tubes. \_ "store detectives ...... forced him to hand over his booty." :-) \_ He nearly escaped by the skin of his teeth. \_ It says he's an Uzbek. Damn immigrants. |
| 2005/12/5-7 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany] UID:40869 Activity:nil |
12/5 Squish kchang now.
\_ Fuck you.
\_ no fuck YOU.
\_ I see. The names do have a sort of logic to them. So, if,
jrleek is "moron", what will emarkp turn out to be?
\_ uh, what did I do now? -kchang
\_ Hi-tech namecalling
\_ theoretically someone could get into trouble with something like:
"Hey, your employee John Q. Loser posted about your company with
the name 'hitler', see this link! He will probably say something
like yes he wrote that, but he never signed as 'hitler' and meant
to post anonymously."
\_ I've been playing around with it. It doesn't seem any better
than random chance, choosing among all non-idle people. The names
are cute, but I think hitler and other names should go.
\_ It doesn't seem to change names. This means the system has the
same problems as before, it just adds a level of indirection.
It won't take long for people to figure out who each other are.
(For example, now you know my pseudonym) I think a good
improvement would be to have the names change for every thread.
Anyway, it's nice to have the diff back. -jrleek
\_ I suggested he re-associate names every week but yeah. I think
this is a good change and am happy he decided to still log
and host motd posts. -mrauser
\_ What might be a genuinely interesting problem would be to set it
up so it ignores what user was editing the motd when a given
post was generated, and made names based solely on trying to
analyze the content of the post.
\_ Just to be fair to everyone, kchang decided to label everyone
a derogatory name.
\_ Not true.
\_ No. To be fair, kchang has decided to rotate derogatory names
every week so that everyone will have an opportunity to become
any of the super villains. Thank you for playing the motd. |
| 2005/12/3-6 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany, Computer/Companies/Google] UID:40833 Activity:high |
12/2 Wow. That's pretty sad:
http://www.google.com/explanation.html
\_ uh, what's sad about it? -tom
\_ Oh, just that the number of offensive results returned by "Jew"
is so high that they felt compelled to write that. Sad.
I thought.
\_ Why is this surprising? Look at motd.
\_ Google: Cataloging the world's filth.
\_ At least they're consistent about the "let's make all
information easily available" no matter if it's libelous,
owned by someone else or just the sort of thing no one
should need to see, as long as they make a buck on it.
\_ How is google making a buck on this?
\_ (a) "libelous" differs from jurisdiction to jurisdiction,
and I thought it was a given that national restrictions
on who links to what online are silly, (b) "make a buck
on it" is not a bad thing, but for some reason it has a
negative connotation--not making a buck == no google, (c)
who judges what "no one should need to see"? -John
\_ a) in the dictionary sense, b) making a buck spreading
lies is, c) germany has banned nazi stuff, are you
opposed to that? unrelated is google's answer to a
faq on image and link hosting for people who want an
image pulled down: they duck the issue of removing it
from their index and punt it to the user to go ask
the webmaster to remove it when in many cases the
webmaster has posted something maliciously or just
doesn't care what their users post and isn't subject
to the reach of the law. double talk is just sleazy.
as far as google existing or not, i dont really care.
there were search engines before, there will be search
engines after. they're just one search engine of many
that all return roughly the same quality of results.
\_ I am ambivalent about Germany's nazi ban, as it's a
bit of a special case. Nonetheless, Germany has no
control over content hosted abroad, nor do they make
any pretense at doing so (unlike France/Yahoo, which
was a pretty sad precedent.) I don't think it's dis-
ingenuous for a search engine to refer objections
about content to the originating site--after all,
nobody is forcing anyone to look at something they
don't like--you may find it lame but I see it as
pretty central to the availability of information,
reprehensible though it may be, on the Internet. In
their position I wouldn't even have posted the
disclaimer, although I can understand why they saw
it as a prudent thing to do. -John
\_ Which means someone has zero recourse if google
is unwilling to provide a means to people to have
potentially damaging and false information
removed. Below someone claims they remove links
to kiddie porn. I'm firmly in favor of that but
why draw the line there? I don't see why Germany's
ban on Nazi stuff is ok as a 'special case'. As if
by out lawing references to the Nazis they will
magically make the past go away. France/Yahoo is
pretty much the same. Anyway, once you draw a line
there's no difference where yo draw it. You don't
get to claim you're a big pro-information freedom
person when you've made an arbitrary decision that
there really is some information that shouldn't be
seen. (sarcasm for the stupid): Why don't the
parents just complain to the kiddie porn web
masters and ask that their kids be removed from
the net?
\_ Yes, you do have zero recourse. I'm unwilling
to risk someone seeing my (harmless) views as
somehow politically, religiously or culturally
offensive and have a means to censor them. I
think we're fundamentally in agreement here--I
stated that I wouldn't have written the Google
disclaimer, just that I understand where they're
coming from. As for Germany, they have a bit
of peculiar historical background that gives
them a slightly different take on the topic of
nazism, even though they sometimes do not handle
it consistently, that is all. Relax. -John
\_ You're ducking. Google will remove some
links from the index based on some unknown
and arbitrary criteria but will not remove
others and worse, pretends they can't. If
google was consistent and didn't pretend
they have no control over their indexes
instead of waving the "its magic! look!
a shiny penny!" flag around they'd come
across as honest instead of deceptive and
shitty with a touch of holier-than-thou.
\_ Actually I'm pretty sure they have people looking for
things like child porn and taking them out of the indexes.
\_ Well they do, and they admit it. |
| 2005/11/22-23 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany, Reference/RealEstate, Politics/Foreign/Europe] UID:40688 Activity:nil |
11/21 http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20051122/od_nm/germany_drunk_dc A German man drank too much, wet his bed and set fire to his apartment while trying to dry his bedding. Sieg Heil german john! |
| 2005/10/25-26 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany, Politics/Foreign/Europe] UID:40254 Activity:nil |
10/25 http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20051025/od_nm/croatia_crime_dc German robber calls his mom and got caught. HEIL GERMANS! \_ Wouldn't you think a bank would take some precautions to encase/secure the transport vault for 7.2 million euros to make it difficult for one man to rob it? \_ Yeah, by hiring the security guard. \_ Banks often send regular employees to fetch cash when customers want large withdrawals. I don't know about $7.2 million, but definitely hundreds of thousands. \_ "Hey Boss, sorry, I got really sick after that pickup and had to go home. I was dizzy and the doc gave me some stuff, I'm really not sure what happened to the $7.2m". :-) \_ There was a ca. $25m robbery in Zurich a few years ago--some guys rammed a car into a courtyard where a post office cash transport was being unloaded, brandished SMGs and got most of the stash (they were all caught.) VW had an ad for its mid-size transport trucks a bit after, with the caption "they could have taken it all along..." -John |
| 2005/10/23-24 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany] UID:40234 Activity:nil |
10/23 Meet the American Nazi version of the Olsen Twins, "Prussian Blue"
http://abcnews.go.com/Primetime/story?id=1231684&page=1
http://www.metafilter.com/mefi/36870
\_ check out hot underage nazis:
http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/129/1310/1600/DSCN0105.jpg
http://dresdenfans.blogspot.com - danh
\_ This is the best of the MP3s I've found. They are sort-of like
The Shaggs of hatemonger folk. link:csua.org/u/dt7 |
| 2005/9/20-22 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany] UID:39771 Activity:low |
9/20 Hypothetical question. Let's say it is year 1930 again and you are
Adolf Hitler II. You have a dream to dominate Europe and more in
a mere decade or two. What would you have done that's the same
as before, and more importantly what would you have done
differently, be it politically, militarily, economically? Please
don't delete this thread, I'm curious what motd historian buffs
have to say.
\- "I have a dream ..."
\_ Stop interrupting you Bengali shit
\_ not try to invade Russia until the rest of Europe was polished off
\_ How about "don't invade Russia, period." Winter is so cold
there that motoroil actually freezes, rendering your highly
mechaniszed units useless.
\_ Yeah... Hitler underestimated the size of the Soviet army. I
wonder if he thought he would avoid war with the US. Or maybe
he hoped to crush the Soviets really quickly. Anyway once that
failed and US was involved it was over. In retrospect they needed
to knock out Britain. But they screwed up the air war there.
Knowing what we know now, different tactics might have allowed
them to take out either Britain or USSR quickly. In the first
place I think Hitler hoped to get Poland without the British
war, which would have let him focus only on the east. And when
Barbarossa began the "fortress Europe" had been established,
USA wasn't at war, so Hitler probably felt safe with that.
\_ Don't trust the Italians, they're utterly incompetent.
\_ Forget about heavy water. Listen to the jews and go uranium
instead. And don't piss them off by putting them in concentration
camps until after they've invented the A-bomb.
\_ HAHA my thoughts exactly. Rule #1 in business-- never treat
people badly until they give you want you want. The Jews are
smart. Treat them well at first, concentration camp later.
\_ Are you sure this would have worked for Hitler? Part of
Hitler's route to power was by scapegoating the Jews.
Face it, persecuting and blaming a minority for all your
problems is an effective way of getting power. --PM
\_ I see. Was there another minority he could use as
scapegoat at that moment?
\_ He could have used the Poles. I mean, there are so
many Polish jokes to tell and they don't seem to mind
\_ He wouldn't have needed the whole anti-semitic
shpiel. The krauts were falling apart at the
seams politically and screaming for stability and
strong leadership, and still bitter enough about
being stomped on militarily during and diplo-
matically after WWI that the nazis were a shoo-in
to run the joint. Remember that WWII only came
along after a pretty spectacular, virtually un-
opposed run of aggression in the name of anti-
communism and reuniting all Germans into one big
happy fatherland. -John
happy vatherland. -John
\_ Apparently you flunked history. The Nazis
were not "shoo-ins" to run the joint. They
got into power with less than the majority
vote. It was because Hindenburg was weak
and the opposition was fragmented that lead
to Hitler's appointment to be Chancellor in
an attempt to create a coalition government.
\_ That, and also the effects of the Great
Depression which affected Germany as much,
if not worse, than the US.
\_ Rape and plunder doesn't work well for long periods. Treat the
stinking Frenchmen and poor Poles nicer. Give them a sense that
they belong to something of great importance instead of just
beating the shit out of them. After they assimilated and
contributed, THEN beat the shit out of them. Oh and don't
screw around with French women, most of them have STDs and
will incapacitate your Waffen-SS Wehrmacht.
\_ Or join it... -John
\_ ULTRA is compromised.
\_ More to the point, if everything goes according to your
expectations, it means they're feeding you bad intel; it does
NOT mean you're a genius.
\_ You misunderstand ULTRA. If the other side knows every major
move you're making, it is harder for you to win.
\_ On the contrary, I understand ULTRA very well. However,
in order to keep Hitler from knowing that ULTRA was
compromised, the Allies waged a campaign of misinformation
that relied primarily on Hitler wanting to believe that
his predictions of enemy movement would be accurate. Cf.
Bodyguard of Lies by Anthony Cave Brown.
\_ So communicating factually through a compromised system
would be okay even if Hitler knew it was compromised
and his predictions came true. That's even more occult
belief than I want to deal with.
\_ Sigh. Call me old-fashioned, but I'm trying to keep
this within the realm of the knowledge that he might
have gained under the circumstances. If he realized
that things were running too impossibly close to his
expectations, he might have realized that he was
being played. He might also have been able to seed
ULTRA with false intel while speeding up R&D of
Enigma. Thank god he was a paranoid, megalomaniacal
pillock.
\_ Donate to Charles Lindberg's Presidential campaign and convince
the Japs to hold off on Pearl Harbor until all the Carriers were
back in port. I would have won the battle of Britain prior to
opening the Russian front and then I would have got the Japs to
help me take out Russia. Then I would send the Kreigsmarine to
take out the US from the east coast while the Japs took out the
US from the west coast. |
| 2005/9/20-21 [Health, Reference/History/WW2/Germany] UID:39762 Activity:low |
9/20 Simon Wiesenthal, RIP -John
\_ If you haven't read "Eichmann In Jerusalem" by Arendt, now is as
good a time as any
\_ So whatever happened to Gestapo chief Heinrich Muller and
\_ They're living in my basement, trolling the motd.
Auschwitz doctor Josef Mengele?
\_ They're living in my basement, trolling the motd.
\_ it's funny that many has strong feeling toward what Nazi has
done to Jews, yet worship those in the Yasukuni Shrine. |
| 2005/9/8-10 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany, Politics/Foreign/Europe] UID:39579 Activity:nil |
9/8 A not so bright German thief got arrested. What is it about Germans?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050908/od_nm/germany_thief_dc |
| 2005/9/1-2 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany, Science/GlobalWarming] UID:39396 Activity:nil |
9/1 Where did Germany get oil from during WWII?
\_ A lot came from northern shore, Scandanavia. They also produced
oil from coal and gas through fancy (but costly) methods.
http://csua.com/?entry=39219
\_ Oil was Germany's weak spot in the war. Hitler's obsession with
autarky is a partial explanation for the insane expansionism
of Nazi Germany. The change of thrust towards the Caucasus
after the takeover of Moscow failed was motivated by oil.
-- ilyas
\_ Romania (Ploesti) had massive refineries and oil fields. I
wouldn't put as much emphasis on German striving for self-
sufficiency as, say, Japan (where oil and metal were actually
major factors in their going to war with the US) -John
\_ err... US was supplying oil and scrap metals to fuel its
invasion of China prior to Pearl Harbor... |
| 2005/8/28-29 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany] UID:39319 Activity:kinda low |
8/28 You know why SS Wehrmacht uniforms look really cool? Because
Hugo Boss himself designed them. Another trivial Nazi fact
of the week, brought to you by Heil Cherman guy. -heil
\_ Fuck you, you piece of shit. I sentence you to whatever the
nastiest goat ass link German John can come up with. John?
\_ Erm, I thought danh was the purveyor of fine smut? Anyway,
he has a point (but wtf is "SS Wehrmacht"?) which doesn't change
the fact that the guys with the snazzy uniforms always lose.
Think WWII, Cold War, Star Wars, GI Joe... -John
\_ But the Romans rule.
\_ Putting the fashion back into fascism.... Remember, kids,
if your ideology is shallow and unappealing, spice it up
with clever marketing and pizzazz, and the punters will
line up for you.
\_ That, or invading Poland always works. If you play any
online games, you'll see how many of the kids always join
the winning team. |
| 2005/8/16-17 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany, Politics/Foreign/Europe] UID:39134 Activity:moderate |
8/15 Meet the new German NPD, same as the old German NSDAP:
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2005/08/16/neo_nazis/index.html
\_ Somebody cracked one of their servers and found records detailing
donations from illegal neo-nazi groups (the NPD is a "legitimate"
party) and anonymously forwarded it to the German cops, who don't
have the same restrictions on acquisition of evidence... -John
\_ hmm. Does that qualify as "white hat" or "black hat" hacking?
\_ Good question. The guys who did it told me they felt pretty
white hat. Makes you think, though. -John |
| 2005/8/1-4 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany] UID:38920 Activity:nil |
8/1 Why Germans stink, literally:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050801/od_nm/germany_fungus_dc
\_ it's a glorious day for the gay community.
\_ Looks like a Nazi Penis. Big, white, and stinks.
\_ Heh. http://a9.com/Phallus%20impudicus
\_ it's a glorious day for the gay community.
\_ Looks like a Nazi Penis. Big, white, and stinks. |
| 2005/7/25-26 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany] UID:38804 Activity:nil |
7/25 Does anyone know how to add personalized Audibles in
Yahoo Messenger? I'd like their Hellos and Taunts audibles,
but I'd like to add my own like "HEIL HITLER/BUSH" or
something controversial and trollish for comic relief. |
| 2005/7/23-26 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany, Reference/History/WW2] UID:38794 Activity:low |
7/23 For ilyas: WWII as an MMORPG chat transcript.
http://www.strategypage.com/humor/articles/military_jokes_20057151.asp
\_ Far be it from me to be an expert on 'what kids these days say,'
but this is Counterstrike slang. Thanks though. -- ilyas
\_ what?
\_ no, an RTS chat transcript
\_ As that host seems to be down, you might be interested in WW2
online, and "Forgotten Hope", an excellent BF1942 mod. Many of the
kiddies in the forums seem to be reasonably knowledgeable. -John
\_ They got some order of things wrong (Barbarossa was before Pearl
Harbor, for example) but it is still pretty funny.
\_ ROTFLMAO!!! LOLZ! |
| 2005/7/20-21 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany, Reference/History/WW2] UID:38723 Activity:moderate |
7/20 James Doohan, RIP. Insert obligatory Scotty jokes here.
\_ He's been beamed up?
\_ Guess there were some miracles he couldn't work. (laddie)
\_ If life was a TNG episode, they'd just manipulate a previously
unknown effect of dilithium crystals, the transporter, and a
newly discovered time travel effect in order to bring him back to
life.
\_ Damn, the guy was machine gunned down trying to take Juno beach
during D-Day. I guess Scotty was pretty tough after all.
\_ The shot that went for his chest was blocked by his
cigarette case ... So smoking CAN be healthy.
\_ Wearing body armor is even MORE healthy.
http://gojackarmy.castpost.com/156.html
\_ What %tage of WWII soldiers had body armor?
\_ You are one piss-poor troll.
\_ Nah, but carrying a cigarette case can be.
\_ How many nonsmokers carry cigarette cases? |
| 2005/7/16-18 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany, Reference/History/WW2/Japan] UID:38661 Activity:kinda low |
7/16 Why must suicide bombers commit suicide? Don't they know that
after they blow themselves up, they're gone cannot do any more
harm? Don't they know for each suicide, there's one less
bomber left to make a statement? I don't understand. If I were
a pissed off occupyee, say a German or Japanese in WW2, I'd
do all that I can to create havoc short of blowing myself up.
\_ there's a norm macdonald show sketch where the suicide bomber
employee is asking about health benefits
\_ Umm...read http://www.valleyskeptic.com/dawkins.html for
a summary.
\_ Because they're thug cunts and should have body parts mailed to
their family wrapped in bacon. -John |
| 2005/7/14-15 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany, Politics/Foreign/Europe] UID:38610 Activity:nil |
7/13 Dear German John, I'm learning German and it's a lot of fun. Grammar
is very similar, and some words are similar. However, I have problem
pronouncing certain words, like (how you spell in English)
"IcHHHH SpriHHHHHen NicHHHHt English" probably cuz I don't normally
use the throat often. In fact, I find that after only 20 mins of
practicing, my throat gets really dry. Is this normal, or am I
using my throat the wrong way? Danke Deutche John.
\_ Drink a lot of hefeweizen and smoke some stinky eurofag cigarettes,
the next morning you'll get that special born & bred in der
teutonic vunderland hockaloogie sound. -John
\_ Are you serious this works? I tried it but my throat
sound is still weak. I want to sound very throaty like those
speakers on my language CD
\_ You don't have to sound throaty. My german relatives never
had that deep throat thing. It varies by region too. They were
from Bavaria.
\_ So is it better to use lots of throat or little throat? Just
as I don't want to learn Ebonics English, I also don't want
to learn German that sounds low-class. I do like the idea of
using a lot of throat. It sounds aggressive, persuasive,
somewhat charming, and really gets your attention. In
another word I really like the way Hitler talks even though
I disagree with his methods.
\_ He was Austrian. They've got more of a jolly rolling vowel
thing than an "ACHTUNG, ZE PANZERS ARE ROLLING" accent. Same
with Bavarians, but they have sort of an edge to it--like they
can get the entire Hofbrauhaus to jump up and go invade
Poland. Scotch & Sodas, Los! -John |
| 2005/6/26-28 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany] UID:38305 Activity:nil |
6/26 Germany to bulldoze Checkpoint Charlie museum on 4th of July
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1431117/posts
\_ http://www.deutsche-welle.de/dw/article/0,1564,1382207,00.html
It seems like they want to tear down this monument, not the
museum. From this article, it sounds like they're already
past the lease date, anyways. I do agree that taking down the
museum would be a big mistake, though. It was one of the most
personally touching places I saw in Berlin when I went there.
\_ Speaking of the commercialism of memorials, I really liked how
the path of the wall was marked with a double row of bricks.
Understated, powerful. I hope, if CC is taken down, that it's
transplanted somewhere. --scotsman |
| 2005/6/24-25 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany, Politics/Foreign/Europe] UID:38293 Activity:moderate |
6/23 John, how do you know so much about Germany? Were you a German
Studies major? I'm impressed. -newbie
\_ I live next to it. I also probably spent time at Cal hanging
out a lot with heil cherman john guy. Where is he, by the way?
A good troll farmer should always make sure his troll herd is
in good health. -John
\_ Who is the heil cherman guy and what does he do? Is he a
skinhead or a neonazi? Why the hell would anyone at Cal, the
most liberal and antinazi university, do something as stupid
as heiling nazis? |
| 2005/6/22-23 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:38246 Activity:nil |
6/22 Dear motd custodian, please wake up and do you job. Keep motd clean
and neat. I've been doing your job for the past few days. Lazy ass.
\_ Sorry, I've got this class presentation tonight so I haven't
looked at the motd for a few days. I was hoping the 'liberal ==
communist' and the 'bush == hitler' people would be censoring
each other thus keeping the motd relatively clean. |
| 2005/5/30-31 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:37891 Activity:nil |
5/30 I love Memorial Day! I've never seen so many war movies on A&E and AMC
in one day. Anyways, just out of curiosity, do we have a clear
and accurate hierarchy of the terrorists? For example, in WW2 we know
the big head is Hitler, and his commanders and generals in Africa and
Luftwaffe. As soon as we take out all the head figures, we've won the
war. Ditto with Vietnam, Korea, and other wars. But in the War on
Terrorism, who's the central commander of Al Qaeda, who's supplying
weapons and money, who's coordinating, etc? If we take out Bin Laden
and Al Zarqawi, would it have the same immediate effect as taking out
Hitler? Also, what's going on with Sadam Hussein? Have we injected
sodium pentathol into Hussein so that he would tell us where Bin Laden
is and where he hid his nukes?
\_ http://www.fortunecity.com/lavendar/turnpike/97/frames2.html |
| 2005/5/20-22 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany] UID:37789 Activity:moderate |
5/20 If Germans heil to Hitler, does Hitler heil to anyone?
\_ He hails Victory. Sieg Heil!
\_ Well, Hitler is German, so he must heil himself. But, when
Hitler is heil'd he must always return the hiel. Therefore
Hitler finds himself in an infinite recursive heil loop.
\_ Austrian, actually, but good theory. "Mein Leben!" -John
\_ no better place to be recursive than hell.
\_ When he heiled himself in the mirror, he found himself in two
infinite recursive loops.
\_ That's when he shot himself.
\_ This sounds suspiciously similar to the Al Bundy theory on
garage sales.
\_ I never watched Married With Children, what was the Al
Bundy garage sale theory?
\_ The theory involves 'the final idiot.'
\_ Sounds like the dot com stock market strategy.
\_ Cross-reference http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0086450
"Heil Myself!" -John |
| 2005/5/19-20 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany, Politics/Domestic] UID:37771 Activity:nil |
5/19 Santorum self-Godwins: What the Democrats are doing is "the equivalent
of Adolf Hitler in 1942 saying, 'I'm in Paris. How dare you invade me.
How dare you bomb my city? It's mine.' This is no more the rule of the
senate than it was the rule of the senate before not to filibuster."
\_ Yes, the Democrats invaded Paris in 1806 and are pretty pissed about
being asked to stop it with the genocide.
\_ You don't seem to understand "Godwin's Law". You can't "godwin".
\_ You don't seem to understand that your prescriptivist tendencies
won't fly here, son.
\_ So what happens when you're talking about actual eugenics
programs or neo-nazis?
being asked to please stop it with the genocide. |
| 2005/5/18 [Politics/Domestic/Gay, Reference/History/WW2/Germany] UID:37739 Activity:high |
5/18 Dear German Nazi historian buffs. I've always wondered about this.
Did the Nazis ever tolerate gays and lesbians? Did they ship them to
concentration camps, or they had a don't ask don't tell policy?
\- er who do you think came up with the Pink Triangle. lesbos were
sent to the eastern front.
\_ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Gays_during_the_Holocaust
"In 2002 the German government released an official apology to
the gay community." I'm still waiting for the Japs to apologize
to gay Chinese men.
\_ What did the Japanese do to gay Chinese men in particular that's
not done to Chinese men in general? I've never heard about this.
\_ They forced them to serve as comfort men to gay Japanese
soldiers in the Pacific. -John
\_ Source, John. --erikred
\_ I don't think he's being serious, guy.
\_ Source, guy. --erikred
\_ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humor
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retard
\_ Early on, the Nazi's welcomed gays, or at least tolerated them.
The leader of the Brown Shirts, Eric Rohm, was gay. During the SS
purge of the SA (Brown Shirts) they killed him and one of the stated
reasons was his moral degeneracy (code name for being gay). Soon
after that they went into full on gay hating mode. |
| 2005/5/17-18 [Politics/Foreign/Europe, Reference/History/WW2/Germany] UID:37718 Activity:high |
5/16 Anyone else getting spambombed by Germans with a grudge against
the Turks?
\_ Umm.. no. What does the email say
\_ It's a new virus. -tom
\_ Not new. http://csua.org/u/c3a
\_ Yesterday's not new enough for you?
\_ I 4M 3133+3! G1V3 M3 Z3R0 D4Y \/\/4R3Z!!1!
\_ Funny enough, something similar was going around a while ago,
but on a more limited scale. They were sending around not
quite as offensive shit. -John
\_ Yep. And, conversely, I just got a random piece of spam in
Turkish. Seem to just be advertising hosting, nothing against the
Germans (yet?). -alexf |
| 2005/5/11 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany, Reference/Religion] UID:37617 Activity:moderate |
5/10 "A Baptist preacher accused of running out nine congregants who
refused to support President Bush resigned Tuesday" Amen.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7769149
\_ atheists kill hundreds of millions in 20th century.
\_ So did Christians.
\_ no, mass genocide was perpetrated by atheists.
\_ Here's a great site that has a lot of evidence against the
lie perpetrated by fucks like you that Hitler was anything
but a Christian.
http://www.nobeliefs.com/Hitler1.htm
Fuck you. Hitler was a Chrisitan, and Nazi Germany was a
Christian nation.
\_ Yup, and Hitler always said he was doing it for
God.
\_ Was that why the Church was reluctant to save the Jews
from the Nazis?
\_ Come on! Hitler was a Buddhist. Don't you see the
swastika on the Nazi flags? He killed the Jews to send
them to the west heaven to meet the Buddha god.
\_ Where are you thinking?
\_ Hitler was immersed in the occult and he believed
he was the antichrist. The notion that this
makes him a Christian is absurd. A few photos
on the net really means nothing. Let's consider
and quotes taken out of contect from the net
really means nothing. Let's consider
what the real historians think:
link:csua.org/u/c0j
Besides the Jews, another 6 million, mostly Polish
and mostly Christian, also died in the death
camps. To characterize Hitler as an atheist may
be unfair, in which case he is a pagan.
This reminds me of the notion that Hitler was
not a Socialist.
\_ Religious right extremists lack basic reading skills in early
21st c.
\_ Lefties campaign in churches. |
| 2005/4/19-20 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany] UID:37265 Activity:nil |
4/19 Gentleman, prepare your flamethrowers. The new pope is a former
member of the Hitler Youth.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2089-1572667,00.html
\_ plenty of youth in Germany were required to join the hitler
youth durin gthe war. i suppose the alternative is to
just kill yourself.
\_ Yes, please go do that.
\_ And deserted from the German army.
\_ A brief, compulsory member of the Hitler Youth only until he
could get out of it by going to seminary.
\_ until he deserted from the army in 1944.
\_ He was also in the Nazi anti-aircraft unit.
\_ Protecting a BMW factory making airplane engines. Should
we stop buying BMW's as well?
\_ There are motd readers stupid enough to pay money for
a BMW? |
| 2005/3/27-29 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany, Politics/Domestic/Crime] UID:36906 Activity:kinda low |
3/27 Go Pat Go!
http://www.theamericancause.org/a-pjb-050323-nazi.htm
\_ I think Godwin's law is now invalid. -emarkp
\_ You're right, Godwin's law generally doesn't apply when
Nazis bring up the subject themselves.
\_ I hear the Nazi party is running Oregon now because
of their euthanasia laws ... it's a slippery slope,
just like Pat says.
of their euthanasia laws ... It's a slippery slope,
just like Pat says. Truly compassionate doctors would
let babies suffer in agony for a few months instead when
they know there is no hope -- and it's lots of fun for
the parents too. |
| 2005/3/14-15 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany, Politics/Foreign/Europe] UID:36676 Activity:high |
2/23 Happy Belated Soviet Armed Forces Day! -- !ilyas
\_ Hairy thugs with Stingers >> Soviet armed forces. -John
\_ Don't misunderestimate the forces of Great Mother Russia.
\_ WTF is "misunderestimate"? Guys, use a dictionary,
and English isn't German, you shouldn't string
prefixes like this. You simply had to say
"underestimate" or the opposite "overestimate."
\_ I learned the word from Heil Bush Jr. - op
That's what Heil Hitler did in 1942. Don't become another
\_ "Heil"!="Herr"
6th Army soldier with lice crawling out of your nose, pus
coming out of your wounds, and frozen toes and fingers falling
off when bandages were unwrapped. Keep your sorry sissy arse
for your swiss wench or for some French whores, and stay out
of the eastern front, cause you will end up curled up in a
shit-filled 30 below bunker hole shivering of cold and fright,
crying and whimpering, out of wood and out of food, knowing
that your fuhrer has abandoned you, and knowing that you will
never see yer mama again.
\_ Winning a war due to a combination of aid from your allies
and enemy strategic fuckups doesn't count. -John
\_ It doesn't? I thought that's all pretty much all wars
were won. -jrleek
\_ Tell Napoleon, Mannerheim, Pilsudski, and a host of
other brilliant generals who were simply "better".
Note that "strategic fuckups" != "tactical fuckups".
\_ Zhukov is brilliant too.
\_ Zhukov!
\_ Was, he's dead, and "we have more PPsH-armed
peasants than you have bullets" does not imply
brilliance, although you're probably right.
\_ the war was won by the courage and sacrifice of the
citizens of Great Mother Russia, including teenage
girls from a factory holding up an entire Panzer column
with AA guns when the Germans first attacked.
- RusCom Troll
\_ In 1941, war was beginning.
\_ SU and Stalin probably had more "strategic fuckups" than
the Germans, but they still won due to the heroic Russian
people!
\_ They won because they release all 'Zigs.
\_ The lithium's behind the Advil. Go ahead. I won't miss any.
\_ I thought Nazi's defeat was not due to the Red Army's
strength, but due to Soviet's strategy of burning everything
down to earth before they retreat.
\_ In other words, strategy.
\_ In other words, "ilyasing their country"
\_ "In other words"? Isn't that the same word I used
above? -- PP
\_ You know what you doing.
\_ Was it a mistake for the Allies to ally with USSR against
Germany? Would the world (western world at least) have been
better if we let the Soviets fight the Germans by themselves,
either winning eventually but at much higher cost or losing
eventually?
\_ What if the winner ended up with the Bomb?
\_ Like the Russians did?
\_ We already had the bomb at that point, and the Nazis
were out of the picture.
\_ Somebody set us up the bomb!
\_ So? The winner still ended up with the bomb. Why
should we have allied with USSR?
\_ Germany with the bomb, controlling all of
Europe, would be a much more formidable opponent
than the USSR was. I think it was as simple game
of power politics.
\_ where is ilyas and his funny trolls?
\_ In SOVIET RUSSIA, Ilya trolls YOU!
\_ For great justice. |
| 2005/2/24-25 [Recreation/Dating, Reference/History/WW2/Germany] UID:36400 Activity:moderate |
2/23 How to dump your gf/bf guide: http://www.dumpjeschatje.nl \_ english? \_ A complementary site: http://www.eDumped.com \_ I think you're addressing the wrong audience here. \_ Guten tag, German John understands, German John translates, ja? \_ Horgen borgen lutefisk bork bork bork ick nickt vershtayn Dutchy speaky you NAZI FUCK, Why do you hate America? -John |
| 2005/2/20-22 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany] UID:36341 Activity:high |
2/20 My professor said during WW2, about 1/4 of the congressmen/senate/
politicians were publicly supportive of the Nazi regime. Isn't that
kind of high? Can it actually be true, or he's just exaggerating?
\_ Your prof is full of shit. Do your own research on the German-
American Bund and Charles Lindbergh's activities in the late 1930s.
Also look at the isolationist movement and its association with
the Willkie 1940 campaign. There was a fair amount of sympathy
for nazi Germany in the late 1930s; there was far more drive
towards keeping the US out of European conflicts (FDR had to ram
Lend-Lease through Congress against some stiff opposition.) Your
prof is making the very common revisionist mistake of taking three
different but related philosophies (isolationism, the sympathetic
view of the krats, and outright nazi-hugging) and lumping them
view of the krauts, and outright nazi-hugging) and lumping them
into the same brown pot. -John
\_ During the 1930s to the early 40s most people in the country were
for segregation and there were a couple million KKK members. Also,
Charles Lindbergh was publicly for the Nazi regime. So a lot of
people thought that the Nazi regime was doing the right thing.
Charles Lindbergh was publicly for the Nazi regime. So a lot of
people thought that the Nazi regime was doing the right thing.
\_ It goes beyond the racial and anti-semitism. Hitler was seen
as creating prosperity and order to a Europe many Americans
felt was going to heck in a handbasket. When Germans started
invading, Americans felt it was none of their business and
if it was, Hitler was just straightening out the internal
infighting and bickering of those countries stuck in the
remnants of the Depression.
\_ In the 30's, quite believable. Successively less likely after
Poland, Benelux, France, and the Battle of Britain. Stretches
credulity after Pearl Harbor. Are you sure he said during and
not before?
\_ Hint: WW2 started well before Pearl Harbor....
\_ Fair enough. Did the professor say during or at the
start of? During implies through the entire war.
% dict during
During \Dur"ing\, prep. [Orig., p. pr. of dure.]
In the time of; as long as the action or existence of; as,
during life; during the space of a year.
\_ Probably through most of the American part of the war
too. Germany wasn't seen as a pariah state. There was
a lot of appeal to the fascist state to Americans.
\_ This is a pretty provocative claim. Reference please.
\_ In the beginning it was more about anti-communism and the Nazis
reasserting Germany as a top power after being in the shits for
so long after WW1.
\_ Madison Square garden was packed with pro-Nazi rallies. Of
course, most leftists in America were fervent supporters
of Uncle Joe, who was equal to if not worse than the Nazis.
As for anti-communist, you have to remember the Nazi was
the Socialist party in Germany. There are no pronounced
differences between the political tenets of the Nazis
and the Communists, except for a violent overthrough of
the ruling class.
\_ You are misinformed. National socialism advocates state
direction of economic resources, not eradication of private
ownership. Also, militarism and a regimentation of society by
the state is seen as an ultimate goal. Communism, on the other
hand, does not specifically advocate discrimination based on
ethnicity, or the militaristic expansion of the state (rather,
that of the ideology.) The totalitarian state is seen as a
necessary interlude on the way to a utopian "dictatorship of the
proletariat." Maybe you are confusing stalinism with the
nominal communist ideal? As for "rallyes", maybe you are
referring to a February 1939 rally by the German-American Bund
(who were functionally nazis) and associated organizations (such
as the Christian Front.) Read up on HUAC investigations of
Fritz Kuhn and the Bund. -John
\_ Maybe should reread what you wrote, because it is self
contradictory in parts, and flies in the face of history.
I was speaking to the Nazis and Soviets, who politically
were not that different, EXCEPT, as you say, for a violent
overthrow of the ruling class. The notion that there were no
pogroms in Russia is silly.
LOL "confusing stalinism for the communist ideal",
ok comrade!. Maybe on a piece of paper they are
different constructs but we live in the real world.
\_ "no pronounced differences except for a violent overthrow
of the ruling classes" is your wording. You did not say
"Soviets", you said "communism". As for pogroms, (a) do
do point out where I said there were none, (b) these took
place mainly in Czarist times, (c) ethnic discrimination
is not a part of communist doctrine. And why are you
making me out to be an apologist for either ideology? And
what does "LOL" mean? Is this a political science term?
They didn't teach me that at Cal, sorry. Try again,
young padawan. -John
\_ Comrade, we welcome you! - Chicom troll
\_ Comrade John, we welcome you! - Chicom troll
\_ Chicom troll you're back! *snif* We missed you!
Welcome! -John
\_ well I had referred to Stalin in the previous
sentence, so infer what you will. Look, I'm not
interested in debating the finer points of
dialectical materialism with experts such as
yourself. However, what you are doing, perhaps
unwittingly, is trying to draw a distinction
between the Soviets and Nazis in order to
redeem Communism. The mantra is Communism
is really a worthwhile endeavor, moreover none of
20th century mass murderers were Communist but
something else. You ignore historical
\_ Vladimir Ulyanov was a communist. Want to know how
many people he killed? -- ilyas
realities for what someone writes on a
piece of paper (or on Wikipedia, whatever you
read). If you can't see the implicit contradiction
in the second sentence you wrote in the previous
post, maybe your deception is intentional.
If your entire argument rests on my intentional
omission of the hyper-racial component of
the Nazi's flavor of Communism, all I can say
is duh.
\_ The Soviets didn't call themselves communist. -tom
\_ The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics didn't call
themselves communist. -tom
\_ They make a distiinction between the communist
society which is their utopian objective and the
communist party which (should) struggles toward
that goal.
\_ Horse manure. The Soviets were no more
interested in communism than Bush is
interested in "freedom." They used
some of communism's rhetoric to help
themselves sieze power. -tom
themselves seize power. -tom
\_ Did I say they were (or were not)? I just
wanted to point out that the communists in
USSR most certainly do call themselves
communist when they speak English. To say
otherwise would just be silly. But
maybe you wanted say that they did not claim
or consider their society to be in the ultimate
communist phase yet. I took that into account.
\_ You are putting your own words in John's mouth.
(He is no less a fervent anticommie than you are.)
Unless you just choose to define everyone and
every idealogy you dislike as communists, there is no
reason to identify Nazism and communism. Communism
ideal looks to the "next" step after capitalism and
struggles for an "enlightened" society without class
and property gradient. (I am not suggesting that is
desirable). Nazism ideal looks "back" to the age of
noble (= white) savages roaming Nordic forests and
struggles for a planet ruled by pure "Aryans" in
harmony with maiden nature. (On this I disagree with
John.) In practice, the implementation of both
\_ Huh? Why? Isn't that what I said? And thank
you for your assertion, I ought to hang on to the
claim that I am somehow trying to "redeem"
communism. I suppose some people might
equate trying to know facts about a philosophy
with justifying it; it's still funny :-) -John
\_ You said "militarism and a regimentation of
society by the state is seen as an ultimate
goal" (of nazi.) I don't know if that was the
ultimate of Hitler, but it certainly was not
the ultimate nazi ideal.
create regimes that are quite similar and kill lots
of people, but in that they are far from alone.
\_ What you are doing, perhaps unwittingly, is drawing
a destinction between the pro-fascist American Right
and Nazism. By confusing the difference between
Communism and Nazism, you throw FUD into the very
real concerns some in America have about the
growing populist, militarist and violent Right
Wing movement in America. How many shopkeeper
windows have to be smashed before we call it the
American Kristnacht?
\_ You probably meant 'Kristalnacht,' unless you were
making a lame joke along the lines of
'Christ-nacht.' Feel free to go on with your
very real concerns now. -- ilyas
\_ "The best way to talk to a liberal is
with a baseball bat." -Ann Coulter
And more and more people are taking up
her suggestion.
\_ Oh please. While not a huge Ms. Coulter
fan, I must remark you are straying
dangerously close to accusing John Solomon
of being a proto-Nazi because he suggested
the baseball bat as the proper way of
dealing with spammers. Get a clue. I
wonder what Aaron would be in your book.
I guess he can't be a Nazi because he's a
liberal, but he did fantasize about
gang-banking conservatives 50-to-1. Also,
please give me some instances where 'more
and more' people are taking the baseball
bat to their liberal neighbors. Urls
would be nice. -- ilyas
\_ Last I checked Aaron wasn't selling
millions of books and on the news
as a leftie talking head. Let me know
when he is. Also, he is not the
ally of the people in power, you know
the ones with a legal monopoly on force.
Here are a few urls, there are many
more if you bother to look:
http://www.capogallerysf.com
http://csua.org/u/b50 |
| 2005/2/4 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany] UID:36060 Activity:nil |
2/4 http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/sports/AP-BOX-Obit-Schmeling.html?oref=login nice obituary about cool dude Max Schmeling, German boxer who fought Joe Louis twice during the Nazi era. Didn't know he was such a great human being. \_ what is the csua login/pwd for NYT again? \_ u: dykewhore p: dykewhore |
| 2005/1/30-31 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany, Politics/Foreign/Europe] UID:35983 Activity:very high |
1/30 When Germany fell and the US/European/Russia took over, how long
did they occupy Germany? How long did loyal Nazi youngs and
insurgents attack the Americans and Russians? How long were
E/W Germany occupied before each had setup their own
governments? I'm curious because perhaps we could draw some
parallels and make better guesses as to how much longer the
insurgents will continue before they gave up, and how much
longer our troops will be in Iraq.
\_ Very good questions. I read about the situation in France in 1945,
and it was pretty bad. There was a frenzy of revenge killings of
'collaborators.' No courts, or anything. It was allowed to
continue for a while too, because it was felt that the people
needed to 'vent.' So many unsavory things happened in WWII.
Maybe time reduces the perceived magnitude of things -- all the
crap back then was much much bigger than anything today,
Iraq included. -- ilyas
\_ tell us about the Russian Jews!
\_ Not many insurgents in Germany--they just kind of fell apart, and
Their sense of order (unlike some places, they're a reasonably
civilized country aside from the occasional 6-million-worth slipup)
kept them in line. Plus they were probably right sick of getting
blown up by 1000-bomber fleets and hordes of very angry Russians.
There were some SS plans for and attempts at guerilla gangs (look
up "werewolves") but all in all nothing came of it. Occupation
lasted until present, and they were allowed to have an army again
around 1954. The Bundesrepublik itself was set up around 1948, so
the whole Iraq election would seem to support that pattern. -John
\_ present=2004. 2004-1945=59 years. You're guessing that we'll be
in Iraq for at least 59 years? Hm. Also a lot of good things
came out from Germany occupation, like getting the best
scientists. What good things will come out from occupying Iraq?
In my opinion I don't think Iraq and Germany have much in common
\_ Try 100+ Billions of barrels of oil, which we cannot live
without.
\_ It would not surprise me. The western Allies stayed in .de
initially to prevent it from arising again, and later because
they were facing off against the Soviets. Scientists, NATO,
trying to build a strong democratic partner and establishing
permanent bases were just facets of an overall strategy of
presence--the US has not been at war with a democratic nation
during this century (barring some questionable interference
in other countries' domestic politics) so it makes sense to
(a) try to build democracies, and (b) stay there to make sure
they remain democratic--your ideal result will be an ally
which doesn't attack you. Now take a look at a world map and,
forgetting for a moment about whether it's right or wrong,
try to convince me in light of current strategic alignments
that it doesn't make sense for the US to hang around Iraq for
some time. -John
\_ Germany was broken by 1945, not like Iraq, where the army just
melted away to fight as insurgents. Also, Germany did not have
1 billion muslim sympathizers supporting them. Also the Germans
under the Red Army's occupation were just scared to death, with
the Red Army's reputation for brutality and mass rape, while
Germans under Allied occupation were just glad they weren't under
the Russians, so why make trouble.
\_ The most important difference: Iraqis didn't kill millions of
Americans. Heck, they didn't even start the war.
\_ Uh, overall US casualties in WWII (both theaters) were around
400k dead. -John
\_ Germans weren't relgious extremists either.
\_ THe people weren't but you cant' say the same thing about
the leadership. The cult of Nazism was very strong. Look
at the runes next time you see propaganda film from that era. |
| 2005/1/21 [Reference/History/WW2, Reference/History/WW2/Germany] UID:35852 Activity:nil |
i/21 Another related article, especially for the "Useful Idiot" lefty
on the MOTD who regurgitates everything that Mike Moore says:
http://paulgraham.com/say.html
\_ "Let's start with a test: Do you have any opinions that you
would be reluctant to express in front of a group of your
peers? If the answer is no, you might want to stop and
think about that. If everything you believe is something
you're supposed to believe, could that possibly be a
coincidence? Odds are it isn't. Odds are you just think whatever
you're told."
He definitely has the Limbaugh trick of starting with a ridiculous
assertion down. -tom
\_ So, why would this be a ridiculous assertion? Do you actually
believe whatever you are taught to believe? If so, then you
really do have a small mind, which many on the MOTD have already
suspected of you. Of course, your failure to understand and
participate in real discourse is legend. Anyway, the article is
a-political. It merely points out the fact that people like you
are merely monkeys trained to think the way you do and have
never had a real independent assertion in your life.
\_ I don't know if Limbaugh has the monopoly on that. But it's the
false dichotomy that amuses me. Another reason you might not
have a problem stating what you believe is that you're
self-confident (that is, you know people will disagree, but you
don't care).
\_ So in other words you are a coward.
\_ What is an example of such an opinion? That he likes little boys? |
| 2004/12/22 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:35404 Activity:nil |
12/22 "Time Magazine - Hitler - Man of 1938 (January 2, 1939)"
on eBay, for $71.00. The seller says "(It is not often we
have the privilege to have a leader like our current President
Bush ...thank you Mr. President..thank you God!)"
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=280&item=4513674003 |
| 2004/12/9-10 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany] UID:35228 Activity:very high |
12/9 What does the Sig in Sig Heil mean? I can't find it on Babel, ok thx
\_ 'Sieg' misspelled.
\_ "Sieg Heil" means "Hail Victory", right?
12/9
\_ Uh huh. If it's so damn tiring, then don't post to
motd -- a simple solution for a simple problem. I'm
surprised you haven't figured it out yet, son. Pot,
Kettle, black, etc?
\_Okay. Thread nuked.
\_ Are you angry about your past relationship(s)?
\_ Sort of. "Heil" means "well-being" (also "intact" or
"healthy"). I think it's originally a literal translation
of an Italian fascist greeting itself taken from the
Roman "ave" (Partha?) Most nazi shit like that doesn't make
\- "Atque in perpetuum, frater, ave atque vale."
--Catullus
sense, if you think about it--that's why they lost. -John
\_ uh...They lost because they abused the German language?
I hope those rules of winning/losing don't apply to
the English language or we may be in for a big loss.
\_ The weird pseudo-religious obsession with teutonic
mythology, over-investment in wonder weapons, very odd
racial "science" and some other minor quirks helped.
\_Poor use of language: check
Religious obsession: check
Over-investment in wonder weapons: check
Pseudo-science: check
We're on our way! Woo-hoo!
\_ Hitler had a wonderful use of language (poor
writing ability though). -- ilyas
\_ Hitler used language very well, he just
wrote poorly. -- ilyas
\_ You're missing the "snappy dresser" element:
link:tinyurl.com/3ujpy vs.
link:tinyurl.com/6ruxf
You can't be an evil tyranny if your supremo looks
like a schlub surrounded by a bunch of pimply
semi-literate goons. -John
\_ I'll be damned. So dressing like a slob is
all that's saving us from tyranny? Now I know
the real reason all those fuckers in jesusland
fear homosexuals. And I thought they were just
bigoted assholes.
\_ That, and the goons. Oh, and the Hun
had better evil militaristic tyranny
music. Compare and contrast:
link:tinyurl.com/69hyd vs.
http://tinyurl.com/3okp6 (you may want to
consider not blasting Boche marching tunes
at work.) -John
\_ According to Dave Barry, the importance of good grammar
can be overstated.
\_ You mean like 'hale' in english? -- ilyas
\_ For what it's worth, this is where the English "hail"
comes from as well. --mconst
\_ Same basic idea and word root, but I don't think the
concept translates very well. Like "waidmann's heil"
is an old saying to wish someone health/luck/success.
\_ Hale Dubya, my Leader!
\_ What is with all the abuse of my last name? You are all
meanies! -phale |
| 2004/12/6 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany] UID:35188 Activity:high 50%like:32222 54%like:32631 |
12/6 Dear German John, I hope you like this:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/swimsuit/collection
\_ Consider yourself forgiven for all the Heil Cherman Chohn
links you've posted in the past. -John
\_ for that, HEIL JOHN! Har har (sorry couldn't resist)
\_ What did anyone ever see in Cheryl Teigs?
\_ She seems to have the standard look of the late 70's to
early 80's.
\_ She's a very attractive woman. I saw a picture of her taken
recently and she's definitely a MILF. If she looks that good
now then I am sure she looked great then. The thing with the
70s is that styles were ugly and so women like Cheryl Ladd
and such all look 'generic' to us now. It wasn't a glamorous
look like Marilyn Monroe that we can readily identify with,
but what's underneath the hood is still pretty nice. Twiggy,
I don't get.
\_ Models don't exist to be attractive. They exist to sell
clothes. Anorexic looking models emphasize the product more.
\_ It's models with big derrieres who are selling products
now, so it's just changing fashion. I cannot get into
Twiggy no matter how you dress her, though - even as
a flat-chested flapper. Blah.
\_ Same for Audrey Quock. If SI were to pick an Asian, please at
least pick one that has a more attractive face. -- Chinese
\_ Very nice pics if you want to learn glamour photography. But the
quality of women is not to my taste. It depends on what you like.
(I know many of them are supermodels.) |
| 2004/11/16-18 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany] UID:34932 Activity:moderate |
11/16 Nice! Karl Rove in line for Time's Person of the Year. This rules.
Other persons of the year have included Hitler and Stalin, so I think
this is very appropriate.
\_ The award is not necessarily a positive award, but meant to
represent a person who had a big impact.
\_ Not in 2001.
\_ Who got it in 2001?
\_ Guiliani
\_ FDR and Arafat both made the list as well.
\_ FDR the president? Didn't he die a long time ago?
\_ Yeah, why don't you include all the TIME Persons of Year in
that comparison. Starting with last years.. the U.S. soldier.
I'm glad you think that about Stalin and Hitler, and Rove.
It's nice to know we all like to get along.
\_ Very impressive job with the self-Godwin. |
| 2004/11/12-13 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany] UID:34871 Activity:high |
11/12 John, ever considered that people think that YOU are the close
minded, self righteous fucker? Oh, and stop fucking making
cowardly death threats via email. If you have a problem, come
and see me personally. PS, SIG HEIL German JOHN!
\_ I'm cocky, closed-minded and self-righteous. I am also a
considerable deal more intelligent than you. But if you think I
have threatened you in any way, you should forward these "threats"
to the police, to the postmaster of the site where they
originated, and to that site's upstream, as you're probably nuts
enough to believe that I've actually done this. Especially
"death threats", as these tend to be taken seriously. I also
invite you to post specifics of these "threats" here. Otherwise,
SHUT the FUCK UP, and try to come up with something better
than the nazi thing? It's old. -John
\_ Neat, what's the story? -- ilyas
\_ Leave John alone. He's one of the few rational people on motd who
isn't afraid to speak his mind. -williamc
\_ Seriously. -POC
\_ dear loser. you'll find everyone prefers john over you, whoever
the fuck you are. he probably didn't threaten your life, but it
sure would be more comfortable here with you dead. |
| 2004/10/19 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany, ERROR, uid:34231, category id '18005#1.775' has no name! , ] UID:34231 Activity:nil |
10/18 http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=SBGI&t=5d This is... so good to see. How low can it go? Predictions? \_ actually, why did it go down? If anything, it should go up. Everyone's talking about it, everyone knows that someone will watch it. It generates hype and viewers alike. If anything, shouldn't it go up? \_ Advertiser boycotts, lousy credit ratings, stupid politicking. Investors don't like moves that make them nervous. \_ What's so special about Sinclair that it makes you want it in particular to decline? I've never heard of it. (I don't watch TV) \_ come out of your cave and google for sinclair/stolen honor - danh \_ remember in ww2, Hitler and Musolini manipulated their citizens with propaganda radio, newspaper, and radios? It is still happening, and the involved parties include Sinclair, Rupert Murdock, Fox News, and Bush. |
| 2004/10/17-18 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany] UID:34185 Activity:nil |
10/17 Let's all take a moment to thank the Motd Hygiene Nazi for saving
us from having to read the fruit fly troll. Thanks, MHN! |
| 2004/10/13 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany] UID:34097 Activity:high |
10/13 What I think about when German John posts to motd:
http://waroffice.us/aryan.htm
http://www.greystoneonline.com/prodimgs/kclah21.jpg
http://www.greystoneonline.com/prodimgs/kclah2b.gif
http://www.attic-tabletop.de/bilder/battlehonours/Staffcar.jpg
\_ what happened to the swastica?
http://web.my8d.net/z6f9f/pic22/Mer/Mer_4396_hitler_3.jpg
http://web.my8d.net/z6f9f/pic22/Mer/Mer_4393_770fox.jpg
\_ Yeah, don't let the fact that he's Swiss get in the way of your
ridiculous rhetoric.
\_ Can he make good quesadillas?
\_ I bet BUD DAY makes GREAT quesadillas.
\_ No, but he yodels with the best of them.
\_ Er, oil-of-olay-deedle-dee, when my nazi gold tooth
fillings don't get in the way. -John |
| 2004/10/12 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:34045 Activity:insanely high |
10/12 Bud Day is the most decorated soldier since MacArthur in WWII
A True War Hero Speaks on Kerry
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=14898
\_ I would like to point out the incumbent has involved us in
a long messy guerilla war we have no hope of winning ever,
just to promote the 100 percent free market ideals
of his masters. thanks. - danh
\_ I really wonder what people like yourself did during the
first years of WWII or Korea. I imagine some committed
suicide because of the impending doom.
\_ You, sir, are no FDR!
\_ Hey, it's hard work. No one said it wasn't going to be hard
work. -Dubya
\_ Er, didn't this already get posted, discussed, flamebaited,
and run into the ground? Swift Boat Guy, are you back?
\_ Yes. The thread has been restored in its entirety.
Gawd Bless AmeriKKKa.
\_ So Bud Day, a POW, does not think kindly of the anti-war movement.
What's new? It was a very ethically challenging time.
\_ To sum: John Kerry, WDYHA?
\_ Attaboy... don't ever think about your mistakes. It's just a
sign of a poor leader.
\_ All the medals in the world can't change the fact that Vietnam
was arguably America's dirtiest war. I love the smell of napalm
in the morning. That soldier needs to read The Best and The
Brightest.
\_ Why, because Kerry and Fonda said so?
\_ Open your eyes. Four million civilians died in this war.
As for you, you can watch Fog of War, in which the Secretary
of Defense at the time gives his personal views of the war.
\_ i think a larger ratio of the population in Vietnam died
than the russian korean french and german population excuses
you give
\_ 4 million is exaggerated. McNammara is responsible for
the outcome, he is an asshole of grandest kind - why
should I listen to anything he says? He completely
botches the war effort and then expects people to listen
to his contrite exculpation - he was part of the problem.
800,000 died in the battle of Stalingrad, more at Kursk,
300,000+ at Okinawa, 2+ million in the Korean War.
Was Korea a bad idea too?
\_ *YES* If USA didn't cross the 38th parallel line,
Chinese would not of being involved. You would have
\_ *YES* If USA didn't cross the 38th parallel, PRC
would not have being involved. You would have
a lot less casualty then. Unfortunately, USA's
mentality was blinded by their ideology, completely
miscalculate the rational behind China's involvement.
mentality was blinded by its ideology, completely
miscalculating the rationale behind China's involvement.
Then again, we are waging this "war on terror" and
"war on iraq" without clear understanding of why our
enemy was fighting against us neither.
"war on Iraq" without a clear understanding of why our
enemy is fighting against us.
\_ above has been processed by volunteer english
correcting daemon
\_ thank you
\_ "You ... we" Make up your mind.
\_ Nothing wrong with crossing the 38th parallel
to destroy a regime that believed in the evil
communist cult, and invaded first. US probably
should have started a dialogue with PRC though.
\_ Crossing the 38th parallel was fine. We should
have talked to the PRC about it, but there's
nothing wrong with crushing an expansionist
oppressive communist regime that attacked first.
Furthermore, there were plenty of reasons to
reunite Korea at the time, and it has only
become more desireable in hindsight. -jrleek
\_ WW2: America and its allies were attacked first.
Korea: South Korea was attacked first.
Vietnam: ... duh.
Are you really this stupid?
The 4 million figure has generally not been challenged,
with notable exception to your "4 million is
exaggerated" brilliant expository.
Why should you view McNamara's interview? He was
Secretary of Defense during the Vietnam War. If you
don't want to hear this viewpoint, it's certainly
your right to block out this essential primary source.
\_ Your history is completely wrong. Ho
Chi Minh attacked the South, not the other way
around. Vietnam was a defensive war honoring
SEATO treaties.
\_ The reason for a war, while important, does not
excuse bad conduct. You could argue either side,
from "we continued a French colonialist spat" to
"we were safeguarding an independent country." The
problem is that there was never a clear mandate,
the RVN was a corrupt and doomed system (for
whatever reason), US leadership treated the war
as sort of a playground for new ideas, and many
US troops acted wrongly. In a situation like that
of the US in Vietnam, having the clear moral high
ground is tremendously important, no matter what
you do. We lost it, so even if the war was fought
on good reasons (as I think) both strategically and
philosophically, we fucked it up royally. -John
\_ Just little fact. When WW2 ended, USA actually
recognized N.Vietnam government for a split
second, then reversed its decision once USA found
N.Vietnamese government's Communist nature.
It is unfortunate that until TODAY, most people
in USA still don't understand people's desire
of self-determination over all other things
which USA treasures: Christianity, human right,
democracy. For many, USA is just an continuation
of European's imperial conquest, driven by
doctrine of White Man's Burden written centries
ago.
\_ Yup, let's stop paying all those third world
countries. Fuck White Man's Burden, let em
starve.
\_ Yes, we should support self determination for
Taiwan.
\_ Chicom troll = pwned.
\_ And Tibet.
\_ I would like to point out the incumbent has involved us in
a long messy guerilla war we have no hope of winning ever,
just to promote the 100 percent free market ideals
of his masters. thanks. - danh
\_ I really wonder what people like yourself did during the
first years of WWII or Korea. I imagine some committed
suicide because of the impending doom.
\_ Er, didn't this already get posted, discussed, flamebaited,
and run into the ground? Swift Boat Guy, are you back?
\_ Your Vietnamese history is wrong. The three
regions of Vietnam voted, two chose to stay
aligned with France. The third, the North,
split. This was not good enough for Ho Chi
Minh, so he attacked the South.
\_ huh? what have you been smoking?
\_ Do you think that posting this again day after day is going to
convert more voters to your crusade?
\_ Only what I want to talk about matters and I will keep posting it
and reposting it ad initium forever. Get used to it. |
| 2004/10/4 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany, Uncategorized/German] UID:33911 Activity:high |
10/4 Why do people pick up hitch hikers?
\_ people pick up hitchhikers in berkeley all the time
\_ because they've been in the same position in the past and someone
picked them up, and interesting conversation.
\_ help one's fellow man?
\_ they ask less questions than the kids on the playground.
\_ A lot of kids in Germany do carpentry apprenticeships and go out
as journeymen (dressed in black, usually with corduroy bell-
bottoms and big hats.) They don't earn any money, and go work for
carpenters wherever. Giving them rides is considered a nice thing
to do. -John
\_ Ein Reich, Ein Fuhrer, Ein German John!!! HEIL!
\_ Paolo is that you?
\_ before I answer this may I ask you what method do you use
(did you use your own scripts, and what techniques did you
use) to find out who posted what messages? Thanks.
\_ What's your problem?
\_ Because they forget they can get their throats sliced if
they pick one up.
\_ I once picked up an old lady in Oakland Chinatown in daytime for a
short distance. Everything went fine and she was grateful for the
help. But I thought about the possibilities afterwards and I
regretted doing it, and I'll never do it again.
\_ Yeah, I'd be pissed too if I didn't get free head for a free ride
It's the rules of the road. |
| 2004/9/22-23 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany, Reference/History] UID:33698 Activity:very high |
9/22 Anyone here learn lock picking? I'm kind of interested in picking it
up (no, not for nefarious purposes). Any suggestions on how to start,
which lockpicks to buy?
\_ Kryptonite U-Locks.
\_ http://67.19.221.38/4.wmv (ulock picking with BIC pen)
\_ I tried this with my lock, but couldn't get it to work.
The inside diameter of the pen is smaller than the diameter
of the center round bit in the lock, and the pen doesn't
fit in. Am I just using the wrong Bic pen, or does this
not work on the newer locks(I just got my lock)?
\_ wow, you're so clever! I'm sure the previous poster had no
idea about that link which has been passed around the net
400 times in the past week!
\_ wow, you're so insightful, assuming that i didn't know
that he knew. gee, why else would someone post
"Kyrptonite U-Locks." and nothing else? i was merely
providing an additional reference, moron.
\_ MIT guide to lockpicking is a good start. -John
\_ I've already read it. Now I'm interested in getting picks and
practicing.
\_ then get some picks and practice. It's the best way to learn.
You can also learn a lot by getting some locks and dismantling
them to see how they work inside.
A good thing to do is get a board and buy some standard locks
mount them in it and practice on that. It makes a good thing
to practice on without having to explain yourself. -EricM
\_ Just pick the locks at your home, and your car inside your
garage.
\_ That's a very bad idea. I screwed up a lot of locks
while learning (I got in, though).
\_ That was my plan. Did you see how I asked about which
lockpicks to buy? Any suggestions?
\_ Glock 23
\_ I hate glocks. -- ilyas
\_ Glocks never felt terribly comfortable in my
hand. -POC
\_ Let's not forget the 5 metric ton trigger
pull, and the refined austrian watergun design.
Everytime a glock is sold, God kills a
kitten. -- ilyas
\_ It's a good gun...it's just that *I*
have never found a use for one...and yeah,
the trigger pull kind of sucks.
Personally, I like the factory installed
pull of smiths and the usp. -POC
\_ I find that the handle/grip is too short
for my hand. --erikred
\_ That's silly. It's lighter than most DAOs
and can be easily modded lighter. They're
proven tough and simple to maintain.
Fashion snob.
\_ While this method is doubtless effective, it seems
like it might be hazardous to practice in your home,
and probably lacks in stealthiness.
\_ Yes but practice becomes unnecessary. And think
of the many other uses around the house! I suppose
the property damage could be a problem.
\_ Northern Tool and Equipment has some: http://csua.org/u/963
Their latest catalog had ~20 piece set.
\- BTW, some locks are a lot harder than others ... even without
talking about say medcos, BESTs are not good to begin with.
also the general problem of "getting pasted locked doors"
also the general problem of "getting past locked doors"
has a lot of other solutions aside from picking the lock ...
climbing over things, using shims etc. --psb |
| 2004/9/16 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany] UID:33566 Activity:high |
9/16 Hitler biopic stirs up controversy
http://csua.org/u/92n (BBC)
\_ posted before,
http://csua.com/?entry=33390 |
| 2004/9/16 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:33563 Activity:very high |
9/16 http://csua.org/u/92m (SF Chronicle) Police escorted Sue Niederer of Hopewell, N.J., from a rally ... after she demanded to know why her son, Army 1st Lt. Seth Dvorin, 24, was killed in Iraq. Dvorin died in February while trying to disarm a bomb. As shouts of "Four More Years" subsided, Niederer, standing in the middle of a crowd of some 700, continued to shout about the killing of her son. Secret Service and local police escorted her out of the event, handcuffed her and placed her in the back of a police van. The first lady continued speaking, touting her husband's record on the economy, health care and the war on terror ... [Cue "Two Americas" footage] \_ Posted by someone who never served. Never understands why good people die. And most of all, looks very short-term. \_ you only read news written and posted by veterans? how many vets are there on soda? like 5? - danh \_ Please justify why 1024 Americans have died and between 7000 and 17,000 (not including civilians) have been wounded in Iraq. Also please justify Iraqi deaths. Thanks. \_ Also caused by someone who never served. Never understands how needless war can be. And most of all, is the president of excuses. \_ war is needless? That's like saying humans don't need to eat. \_ "CAN BE". Retard. \_ Some wars are needless. Are you trying to say that all wars are a good idea? \_ I am saying war is as inevitable as you are alive. \_ He died for our oil and for war profiteers. Bless him. He certainly didn't die defending anything. (aside: Soda seems really damn slow lately. It's interfering with my trolling.) \_ Would you die for your country during WW2, or in Iraq? I think everyone agrees dying in WW2 would be worth it. Apparently this mother feels Iraq wasn't worth it. Maybe she should shut the hell up and salute the flag, since dying in Iraq is worth it, too. \_ if the Axis had won then this world would be full of hot blonde women and hot azn women -troll \- and dubya would be the center of attention in a bukkake circle! -liberal troll \_ My history fu is weak. Why was Nazi against Jews but not Japanese? I thought back then Europeans considered all Asians inferior. \_ Simple answer: strategy. Hitler tried to rationalize it to the public by saying that the Japanese were the most 'Aryan' of the Asians. \_ who would have won between Japan and Germany if they fought each other one-on-one? \_ Everyone else, really, but the real answer is more complex. At what point? With what resources? \_ Not to meantion, where? Japan and Germany aren't all that close to each other you know. And their militaries were specialized in different areas. If it was a fight in the middle of Russia (which seems the most likely place) I think Germany would probably trounce Japan. In SE Asia, well... \_ Nazis featured racist ideology, but it wasn't the basis for their actions except with regard to fighting a) Bolsheviks and b) Jews, perceived as having an inferior, polluting culture and controlling business and politics, and importantly being seen as communist allies. It was also a rationalization for conquering Slavic lands for lebensraum. The book "The International Jew" was published in the 20's by Henry Ford's publishing company. The inferiority or not of Asians was pretty much irrelevant (except as it brings into question the other racist ideas). Ironically, Hitler's paranoia about communists had basis in reality as Stalin spelled out a plan of making all of Europe into Soviet states. http://home.swipnet.se/nordling/Stalinspeech.html \_ With all due respect what are they supposed to do? Let her scream, yell and disrupt the rally? |
| 2004/9/13-14 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany, Reference/History/WW2/Japan] UID:33492 Activity:moderate |
9/13 Curious, after WW2 were there any retaliatory attempts by pissed
off German/Japanese on Americans?
\_ there were minor ones from fanatical SS officers who just wouldn't
die and go away in Germany, look up "Germany"
"ww2" "werewolves". they weren't very effective - danh
\_ People back then were simpler minded. Even if they wanted to
retaliate, technics for mass destruction by individuals and
media needed for the public fear effects weren't avilable.
\_ I do believe Japanese hated Americans for the atomic bombs for
a long time.
\_ and yet I wonder why there hasn't been a single case of
Japanese suicide bombers in a major American city. I mean,
who could resist 99 hot azn virgins in the Heaven?
\_ Oh, hot azn virgins. My pant's getting tight. |
| 2004/9/8-9 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany] UID:33426 Activity:high |
9/8 We blame Hitler for the extermination of Jews, but shouldn't it be
Himmler that we should blame at? I mean, Hitler didn't personally
order all the gory evilness that went on in the concentration camps.
It was Himmler who architected everything. We're barking at the wrong
tree.
\_ Hitler didn't? Read a book. And even if he didn't directly
personally order such a thing (which he did) he would still be
responsible for it. Trollboy, don't try to say Hitler didn't know
that 6 million people were killed in the camps or how Jews were
treated in the ghettoes.
\_ thank you for using "architect" as a verb, so everyone can tell
you're a moron
\- What exactly is wrong with verbing this noun? In some cases
poor grammar leads to confusion over intended meaning.
In this case, I dont think "designed" is any less vague.
Actually distinguishing between someone responsible for
philososphy vs implementation is useful, but that is a different
criticism than rote repeition of "dont use architect as a verb".
In the SW industry, I think "to architect" is just as specific
as "software deisgn" ... and possibly can come do be distin-
guished from a "software engineer". In the building architecture
business perhaps there is a productive distinction between
someone responsible for the aesthetic design and the actual
building of the building. Do object to using "deliverable" as
a noun, when it should be an adjective? How about "accessorize"?
That is another example of something that has a specific meaning
in the context of say women and clothing rather than generic "to
make an accessory of". If you cant explain the reason for an
objection such as this, you're as much a "defender if the faith"
as Henry VIII was. Are you the foolish Canute or the wise one?
\_ http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame16.html
\_ "Hitler was not sent to you. Hitler was created by you. He arose
out of your Collective Consciousness, and could not have existed
without it... If you float a crazy idea, and 10 million people
agree with you, you might not think you're so crazy." -CWG 2.
\_ This is just because the holocaust never really happened, it is
all just a jewish plot to garner sympathy. Kill all the jews!
-Islamic Militant. |
| 2004/9/7 [Politics/Domestic, Reference/History/WW2/Germany] UID:33392 Activity:high |
9/7 <DEAD>www.aclu.org/FreeSpeech/FreeSpeech.cfm?ID=9969&c=50<DEAD> Flag burning amendment to be called for vote. \_ When will they ratify the constitution-as-toilet-paper amendment? \_ interesting. How about a billboard that shows flag burning? Or a screen saver? Or just talking about it? How about theatrical play that simulates the burning of the flag? \_ It will probably say something like "Physical destruction or desecration of the flag is prohibited". But if that's the case, what if someone made a flag from 2 halves, but didn't sow them together ad then burned the pieces next to each other? What about destroying an old 48-star flag? Is it really the US flag anymore? \_ In Germany just about any such hypothetical scenario involving the swastica involves the word 'no.' There was this really neat the swastika involves the word 'no.' There was this really neat WWII strategy game called Hearts of Iron and it had the Kaiser era flag for the German side, because the game company didn't feel like making a separate german version. *sigh* -- ilyas \_ yeah, I don't really see any difference between a swastika and a U.S. flag \_ Well, as far as I am concerned there should not be any restrictions on either. German policy on the swastika is like a little kid who closes his eyes and hopes the bogey man will go away. -- ilyas bogey man will go away. Actually, a point is worth emphasizing here -- the Constitution prohibits the US government from drawing ideological distinctions as far as free speech is concerned. That's a Very Good Thing (tm). -- ilyas \_ Why do you hate America? \_ Which would you prefer, burn the flag or burn the Constitution? \_ Lets do both at the same time! \_ Hasn't this idiotic flag-burning amendment been introduced into every session of Congress for the last 25 years or something? There must be some districts in which introducing this bill is a requirement for holding office. The chances of this actually passing are nil. |
| 2004/9/7 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany] UID:33390 Activity:high |
9/7 HEIL! I hate Juden, but I have a tender side too!
http://www.cnn.com/2004/SHOWBIZ/Movies/09/07/film.hitler.reut/index.html
\_ SPRINGTIME for Hitler and Germany!
\_ "Not many people know it, but the Fuhrer was a terrific dancer."
\_ Allen Tom says that he was a vegetarian. |
| 2004/8/1-2 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany] UID:32615 Activity:insanely high |
8/1 Proof that America is as obsessed with Germany (look at all the
WW2 games) as Germany is obsessed with America:
http://www.nomans-land.de/english/index1.htm
http://www.americanconquest.de/english/index1.htm
Germans making American Indian/American Colonization games. Heh.
\_ and who exactly was asking for such proof and why is it relevant?
\_ Proof? Uh whatever. Anyway, why is it surprising? Each side
spent a generation of lives and fortune fighting the other within
living memory. That does something to a people.
\_ I just spent some time playing Codename Panzer. TOTALLY AWSOME.
Kick butt as a Panzer commander. Again made in Germany. HEIL!!!
\_ Germany makes a ton of games, and many of them are not
war related.
\_ yeah but how many American games show nice looking German
commanders killing the evil Amerikans? Codename Panzer--
definately made in Germany.
\_ Combat Mission games do. -- ilyas
\_ Seconded. BF1942 does, as well as most of the
WWII multiplayer ones. The sole concession is
usually removing the swastikas from the tail fins
of kraut planes. -John
\_ Evidence != Proof |
| 2004/7/20 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany, Politics/Foreign/Europe] UID:32371 Activity:high |
7/20 Dear German John, HEIL! Where/how did you learn your German, and
what other languages do you speak?
\_ I took inspiration from your mom's muffled screams. -John |
| 2004/6/27-28 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany] UID:31032 Activity:high |
6/27 come on... watch the trailer. You know you want it.
http://www.fahrenheit911.com/trailer
\_ I can load up propaganda tapes from Stalin, Hitler, Musselini,
and others if I wanted and they're better at it.
\_ That you would even think to compare Michael Moore to Hitler and
Stalin says a lot.
\_ It's funny how when people like Franken or Moore create
satirical books or movies about the right-wing propoganda
machine, they themselves are called propagandists.
\_ Two wrongs don't make a right. Didn't your father teach
you anything?
\_ How is satire a wrong? Of course, in Al Franken's
attempt to be humorous, he actually makes factual
references. But I guess many people these days
interpret factual and funny as propoganda.
\_ I'm really tired of Moore being called a propagandist. He's
a fucking filmmaker. He tells his story. He's not selling
any bill of goods but his own. If you don't buy it, don't buy
it. He's a citizen who sees some things that he thinks is wrong
and points them out. He urges others to take part in their own
democracy. To me, that's patriotism, not propoganda.
\_ He sells a story for the purpose of making money while at
the same time spreading lies which is actually worse than
the Axis powers. They weren't making money off their lies.
\_ Yes, Michael Moore is so unethical for making money off
his work. He should aspire to the moral standard of Stalin
and only use his work to opress people.
\_ No. It's the same. He takes advantage of the
uneducated masses who still think everything on the
screen presented as documentary is truth. He's
cynical and has a dark soul. And you bought into his
lies and even worse, defend them.
\_ Oh, you mean the same people who think everything
the president says is true? Cynical? Dark soul?
I'm sure glad nobody like that is in our government.
\_ No, I mean the same people who think everything
the President says is a lie because MM told them
so, even when it isn't so.
\_ Wow, so MM makes money off his work, and this
makes him comparable to Stalin and Hitler?!?
So, what, Bay Area drivers suck, so the BA is
comparable to Auschwitz? Maybe we can make
AL Franken into Pontius Pilate for criticizing
Bush. Dumbass.
\_ You seem convinced that this movie is the
run of the mill pack-o-lies. Have you seen
it yet? If you have point out some lies.
If not, fuck off.
\_ I don't care about this discussion, but
I always think this kind of defense is
funny. "Just because MM has lied
every OTHER time, doesn't mean he's
lying this time! Do you have proof
he's lying?" Ooookay... -jrleek
\_ Your "every other time" claim needs
some support. And yes I've read the
claims of lies in B4C, and I haven't
seen any that weren't real stretches.
--scotsman
\_ I was paraphrasing the post I was
replying to. -jrleek
\_ So you're not jumping on the
"Moore is a liar" bandwagon?
--scotsman
\_ You seem convinced that this movie is simply
a pack-o-lies. Have you seen it yet? If
you have point out some lies. If not, fuck off.
\_ Oh, so you're upset because Michael Moore is
making Bush's enemies mad at Bush. Wow,
you're right, he really is a dark soul.
\_ Yeah, but anti-Stalin/Hitler/Mussolini tapes ring of truth,
just like anti-Bush footage. Clinton footage -- well, everyone
knows Monica gave him head and he's a slickster. Kerry, well,
he hasn't gotten his chance yet.
\_ I wasn't saying MM was similar to anti-Stalin, etc tapes. I
I was saying he uses the same rhetorical tactics as those
people and you're all eating it up because you're being told
a few things that are true or kind of true so it has a ring
of truth and then he slips in the lies which you swallow
whole.
\_ can you tell us what the lies you speak of are? oh, wait,
you don't want to see the propaganda, so you can't tell us.
\_ Even Christopher Hitchens, who hates Ronald Reagen, wrote an
an article called "The Lies of Michael Moore."
http://slate.msn.com/id/2102723
\_ Ooh, now _there's_ some glowing credentials. Hitchens is a
scumbag editorializor who has his own massive problem with
facts.
\- Hitchens more or less hates everyone, except maybe
George Orwell. I dont think anybody actually likes
Hitchens in a friendly kind of way. --psb |
| 2004/6/14 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany] UID:30786 Activity:nil |
6/14 Stuka! JU-87 is the STANDARD! |
| 2004/6/13-14 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany] UID:30775 Activity:very high |
6/12 "A Bridge Too Far", Operation Garden, WW2, good movie, on A&E now.
Unlike Band of Brothers it's got REAL German speakers and authentic
tanks/crafts/etc.
\_ BDG, is that you?
\_ sorry, but what does this have to do with marriage?
\_ He probably ment Bridge not Bride. It is common knowledge
that by the time a woman becomes a bride, it has gone too
far. To me German snipers and machine-gun nests are far
more inviting than the arms of blushing bride.
\_ Dumbass. -- ilyas
\_ Have you ever seen a machine gun, tiger? -- ilyas
\_ Have you ever been with a woman?
\_ Come now, BDG, you should be able to sense
WomanDoom <tm> a mile away without asking. -- ilyas
\_ yes I typed bridge. In fact I simply pasted from the web site.
Whoever changed bridge to bride, do you actually think it is
funny? I think you're just immature -op
\_ Whoever changed the spelling has no sense of humor. Restored. That
sort of thing simply isn't funny. Restored. -!op |
| 2004/6/11-7/12 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany] UID:30759 Activity:high |
6/11 German artillery, German artillery is the best!
\_ Incorrect. Artillery was actually one of the few areas of
weapons technology in which the Allies were superior in WWII -John
\_ WWII where we learned that superiour numbers combined with
\_ before or after the invention of proximty fuse fitted on
artillery shell?
\_ WWII where we learned that superior numbers combined with
superior tactics could overwhelm superior technology even in
a fortified position. It's the generals, stupid!
\_ I heard that a lot from Confederate State of America.
\_ You'll note that the Union started winning once they
fired their shitty generals and got decent ones. Good
generalship + lots + tech > good generalship. -John
\_ It also helps that a leader who was no military genius
would not try to micro-manage the war. Unwittingly,
Hitler helped the Allies in defeating the Germany army. |
| 2004/6/8 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany, Politics/Foreign/Europe] UID:30659 Activity:nil |
6/7 In Band of Brothers this crazy yank runs towards the Germans, runs
behind the Germans, hides behind a building, then comes back without
getting shot at all. What the heck was he doing and what did he
accomplish? |
| 2004/6/6-7 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany] UID:30641 Activity:very high |
6/5 First Wave at Omaha Beach - a recounting by military historian
S.L.A. Marshall from 1960. A vivid account of D-Day. Also
interesting to note that many of the German forces at Normandy
were POWs (including some Korean) and that had two Panzer
divisions inland been closer to shore the invasion would have been
a complete failure.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/925041/posts
\_ ok, i have a stupid question for you military history buffs. why
was use of a shield abandonned in the gun era? Couldn't the groups
of men coming off the boats have used shields to make a kind of
"tortoise shell" the way roman soldiers used to do? obviously it
woudln't be totally effective, and would hamper returning fire,
but it seems that in that particular situation it would have made
a big difference.
\_ Uh, it's called a tank. You know, the weak ass Sherman tanks.
\_ More importantly, there were supposed to be tanks right up
there in the front, and the soldiers were told to get behind
them. But at Omaha, the tanks pretty much all sank. There's
some show on the history channel about scuba diving down to
figure out why the tanks didn't make it, but I didn't catch
the conclusions.
\_ woah! the tanks are still there?
\_ I think that the gist of it was that the tanks were
outfitted with a canvass skirt thing to turn them into
makeshift boats, but because it was not tested in rough
seas, the design was flawed and when they tried using them
for real they all got swamped, the motors stalled, and they
sank.
\_ Here's where the might of the USA lies. We can
afford such costly mistakes and roll on without
losing a beat.
\_ Heh. The Soviet Union made much bigger mistakes
during WWII than some tanks sinking, but they
"rolled on without losing a beat" for quite some
time afterward due mostly to sheer numbers.
\_ Bullets are *much* faster than spears and arrows. For a shield
of metal to stop a bullet, it either must be very thick or
very sloped to deflect the bullet. A highly sloped shield would
have to be very large to cover a man, and so would be unwieldly
to carry. A thick shield would be far too heavy if it was of any
decent size.
\_ awsome site: http://www.panzerfaust.com/mp3s
\_ You know, I don't pity people like this, I just laugh
at them. How pathetic. -John
\_ Heil! Long live und Vaterlande!
\_ This is pretty good too, authentic SS recordings:
http://www.worldmilitaria.com/newsite/media.html
\_ The Allied forces were expected far to the northeast, where the
English channel was narrowest. Instead, they landed at Normandy.
\_ The whole "if the two SS panzer divisions had been closer" fact
is why D-Day was an amazing military victory that we still
celebrate, unlike say, the Palermo crossings into Italy, which
were a turkey shoot. The 82nd and 101st's main job was to
delay by a day or two the arrival of the Panzers on the beach
front. They succeeded, but at casualty rates approaching 50%.
Also, a massive disinformation campaign was mounted to
convince the Germans we were going to land a Pas De Calais,
which they bit on. So it was a pretty amazing victory all
the way around.
\_ Double agents misinformed Germans. The misinformation campaign
by the allies worked. Some general didn't want to wake up
Hitler either. The german panzer reserves were only to be
released by Hitler. |
| 2004/6/4-6 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany] UID:30618 Activity:very high |
6/4 Dear motd, after watching the History Channel, D-Day week specials
I've developed a fetish/dream where I'm dressed up like a US
soldier and after liberating the German people I start to have
lots of sex with gorgeous young German women and I yell out
"take that you Nazi pussy!". Should I get help?
\_ Yes, you are delusional. There are no gorgeous German women.
\_ s/German/French/g
\_ Actually that's pretty much what happened. After VE day, the
American soldiers were tromping all over Europe fucking, stealing,
and black marketing their way through post war Europe. It was a
good time to be an American soldier. There's plenty of material
both written and on the web what post war Europe was like. It
wasn't pretty.
\_ Oh you mean compared to the legions of panzers knocking down
your shed, your village being herded into the church and
burned because little Billy took a potshot at Hans the Friendly
Nazi, being denounced and sent to Auschwitz because after 50
years your Polack neighbors decide they don't much like Jews
after all, or being nailed to a barn door by a gang of Soviet
thugs because your last name is Schmidt? To the victors belong
the spoiled young frauleins. -John
\_ Are you trying to make some sort of Nazi/Hussein comparison?
Just because Hussein killed more of his own people every 6
weeks than have died since day 1 of GW2 and the average
citizen has more food, electricity and cleaner water than
ever before does not excuse forcing a few guys to pile up in
a naked pyramid last November 8th or making them wear women's
panties on their head. It is an atrocity of the same level as
9/11. Soros, Citizen-Leader of the Free World, said almost
exactly that the other day. So there you have it. Americans
are like the Soviets and Nazis and the Iraqis are like the
Nazi victims (except for the evil Jew, death to them).
\_ yea, but there is already enough whining by the Jews over
the past 50 years, and we already know the soviets are
thugs and out for revenge for what the Germans did to them.
We need to hear more about American thugs.
\_ Yeah, fuck the Jews. They just turned out to be a bunch
of baby killers who all go into the army to kill old women
in their sleep and shoot completely innocent civilians
just going about their own business and trying to get by
under the yoke of oppression! I think the PLO as a whole
should win the Nobel Peace Prize this year with a close
runner up for Al Qaeda. The only good Jew is a right Jew,
runner up for Al Qaeda. The only good Jew is a dead Jew,
right brother?
\_ "Fuck the Jews, they never vote for us anyway."
-James Baker III
\_ Yeah, who wants the baby killer vote anyway?
\_ These constant "fuck the jews" comments which are
obviously posted by someone who, if not actually
jewish, is at least rabidly pro-Israel in a pathetic
attempt to paint anyone who opposes you as racist are
really some of the most disgusting strawman arguments
I have ever seen.
\_ You almost had it but then it slipped away from you
by the end. I believe that in time you'll get it.
If you were around longer or had your eyes or your
heart open a little more you would see it was just
a bunch of real quotes from real people that have
been posted to the motd over the years. Think about
that for a while. That's the real thing, baby.
There is no need to make it up when it's all around. |
| 2004/6/3-4 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany, Reference/Military] UID:30586 Activity:very high |
6/3 How many Panzers can the M1 Abram take out? How many ME109s can the
F22 raptor take out? Just want to see how much we have advanced in
the past 60 years...
\_ F22 will take out as many as it is possible to take out
with the amount of missiles it can carry, then go back to
its home base unharmed, refuel, rearm, repeat.. For that
matter, an F16 would probably do the same, and any older
generation fighter armed with missiles and radars.
\_ Actually, I've only heard one story of a prop plane
successfully taking out at jet after WWII. Something about
a patrol plane in 'nam where he strapped a missle to his
landing gear, and used it to shoot down a MiG that had been
harrassing him.
\_ M1a3 vs panzers: all of them until it runs out of shells. The
panzer can't penetrate the M1's hull at any reasonable range.
F22 vs ME109: all of them until the F22 runs out of ammo. The
ME109 can't see it, can't catch it, can't target it, and will go
down in flames while the F22 is still miles away.
\_ Furthermore, on the tank front, a lot of people don't
realize that WWII tanks couldn't shoot with any accuracy
while moving, and would have a pretty hard time hitting a
moving target. An M1a3, on the other hand, can hit a rat
from a mile away while going 60mph. So even if the pazers
got close enough, they'd still be toast.
\_ This poster is just right. Recall the two wars in Iraq.
They conclusively demonstrated that the side with the
better weapons, not the side with more, will win in open
warfare. Sadly, our gov't is buying more weapons rather
than investing in next-generation better weapons. Consider
a nation with effective battlefield lasers. Aircraft will
suddenly have to fly below the horizon or they'll be shot
down at the speed of light. Same with missiles. Shells.
Would you rather it be us with the lasers first, or China?
Write your congressperson.
\_ The US Navy is investing heavily in laser platforms for ships.
China has a long way to go to catch up to the US, I would say
20 years would be enough if the US stood still. America
learned the "R&D >>> production" lesson in WWII, when the
Tigers were pulling the "kill all Shermans until out of ammo"
trick on the Americans. The flip side of the coin is the
Russians, who lost 3 tanks for every 2 german tanks, but
were outproducing the Germans 10 to 1. -- ilyas
\_ The U.S. wants anti-cruise-missile tech. Whether it's laser
or not, we don't care, as long as it works. Heck, if we
could zap Osama from a Predator, I'm sure the military
guys would love that too.
\_ Training and professionalism also played a critical role.
T-72s and Mig-29s that Iraq possessed were considered to
be quiet formidable tanks and fighter planes respectively
when operated by well-trained crews (granted, most of Iraqi
weapons were much older than that). I read somewhere that
during the Iran-Iraq war the troops on both sides did no make
an effective use of the technology that they posessed. For
example, the Iraqis didn't use the advanced sights/targeting
on their Soviet-made tanks, reducing their effectiveness to
WWII era. Also, both sides tended to hole up their tanks and
use them as individual artilery pieces.
\_ Why do I feel like the Command & Conquer / Rise of Nations /
Empire Earth forum has suddenly moved here?
\_ Paradox forums >> all. Those guys know their history. -- ilyas
\_ Tank vs tank is measure of RHA. |
| 2004/6/3-4 [Science/Biology, Reference/History/WW2/Germany] UID:30584 Activity:high |
6/3 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/2284783.stm Hitler would have killed himself after seeing this report. \_ On of the princes of Denmark is married to an asian... \_ Yes, we Danes have always been advanced in choosing mates for personality, looks, and intelligence. It's what's kept us beautiful all these centuries. Oh, and helped spread our seed all over the world. \_ Teutonic knight, +4 hitpoint +4 armor +1 range +1 maneuver \_ Those were Germans. \_ nah, in this case it's the asians who are spreading their genes to far flung corners of the world. |
| 2004/6/1 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:30525 Activity:high |
6/1 Christopher Hitchens on CSPAN - ardent defender of Iraq
war. Admits he's no longer a socialist.
rtsp://video.c-span.org/15days/wj060104_hitchens.rm
\_ What do you get when you combine the world saving idiocy
of the left with violent tendencies of the right?
\_ the biggest killers of the 20th century were all
leftists.
\_ Hitler is leftist? Uh, yeah.
\_ NAZI = Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei
Nationl Social German Workers Party. His political
platform was socialist. He was considered 'rightist'
by other Communists because he did not believe a
Communist Revolution was necessary to implement
socialism / communism.
\_ Oh BS. You are going to tell us next Robespierre was
a modern progenitor of the Republican Party
because he called himself a Republican.
Did Hitler believe in giving ownership of the
means of production to the workers? No.
Doh! I have just been trolled...
\_ Then please dispute this:
A Little Secret About the Nazis
http://russp.org/nazis.htm
\_ How can I hope to dispute with a man who brings up
universal free education as proof of evil?
\_ The article addresses the Nazi's political
ideology - factually refute it or don't
waste my time.
\_ The capitalists have starved to death far
more people than the communists, but since
no one person is in charge, the blame is
diffuse. How many have died because there
no profit to be made in keeping them alive?
\_ this is your reply - capitalism is
evil? Spoken like a true red-diaper
baby. Move to North Korea twit.
\_ I notice you didn't answer the question.
\_ Because it is a stupid question.
Where/ who are you talking about?
\_ I answered this already, but you
wrote over my changes. See below
for most of it.
\_ What is this supposed to mean? This seems to be all
accusation and no substance. Are you claiming African
famine is all the fault of capitalists, or what?
\_ Since the European colonialists set the conditions
in place for the famines and then did nothing once
they occurred, even though they clearly had the
power to stop them, yes, I believe they are the
ones primarily responsible. If you are going to
(quite rightly, I feel) pin 1920s famine on Stalins
collectivization of the Kulaks, you should lay blame
on the head of the Western European colonialists
where it properly lies as well.
\_ When you get into real extremes, the difference between
"right" and "left" is pretty much academic. Tyranny is
tyranny.
\- it is commonly claimed that what is important is structure
[in this case extremeism] and ideology more or less dis-
solves. in other words fascism and communism end up looking
pretty similar as totalitaian systems. while this is partly
true, it's not true across the board. see e.g. "anatomy
of fascism" by r. paxton. you can seach motd archive for
more on this well trop topic. --psb |
| 2004/5/31 [Reference/History/WW2/Japan, Reference/History/WW2/Germany] UID:30508 Activity:insanely high |
5/31 Memorial Day question. Rather than launching D-Day, invading
Der Vatherland, and getting thousands and thousands of our GIs killed
(esp. on Omaha Beach), why didn't we just strike a deal with the
Axis in order to save more lives? What exactly did we gain from
unconditional surrender? German gold? (not really) German art? (no)
German women? (maybe) German technology? (yes)
\_ Part of it was prior commitments to the Russians. The Allies were
trying to prevent the Eastern Front from collapsing.
Of course you may argue that by 1944, it wasn't going to collapse
regardless of what the Allies did. Part of it was probably
realpolitik considerations -- the cost of invading Europe was
deemed acceptable given the influence the US would achieve in the
post-war world on the continent. The US didn't want to leave the
entire Europe to the Russians. You may note the US never invaded
Japan -- the costs outweighed the benefits there. -- ilyas
\_ Ummm... we were sure PLANNING to invade Japan, the only
reason we didn't was because to A-bomb worked so well.
\_ Of course we did. I claim the US would not have invaded even
without the A-bomb. The US would have negotiated a surrender.
The invasion was simply not worth it. Invasion planning is
something the military guys do, because it is their job.
The call of whether to invade or not rests with the politicians
and if their heads are on straight, they make the right call.
-- ilyas
\_ The US was not just planning but was going through all
the motions required to do so. I know guys who were
in holding areas waiting for the final word to load up
in boats and head to the main land. They wrote their
letters home and expected to die until it was called
off after the bomb was dropped.
\_ DAMN STRAIGHT!! Actually, I don't think it's clear
either way. It bothers me that 99% of people are
certain that the A-BOMB was neccesary to end the war.
I think it's an open question with valid points on
either side.
\_ There are different ways to end a war. Some are
better than others. A simple cessation of fighting
without a change in leadership like post-WWI Germany
only sets everyone up for round 2.
\_ It all depends on whether Japan/Germany would be
willing to surrender. Threat of invasion made for a
stronger case. So did the defeat of Germany.
\_ I respectfully disagree. As I recall, the Japanese
had already offered to surrender, on the condition
that the Emperor be allowed to keep his position.
However, removing the emperor and forcing him to admit
his not-godhood is basically what permenantly
destroyed the Japanese empire. It's kinda like what
would happen to the middle east if we could kick
Mohammed's butt and force him to admit that he isn't
really a prophet. There just wouldn't be much reason
to fight anymore.
\_ How long has this been up here? This is wrong.
There is *still* a Japanese emporer. The Japanese
had *not* offered to surrender. After the bombs were
dropped, they surrendered WITH the above condition
(that the emprorer be allowed to keep his position).
Jeesh, and the guy below thinks that everyone here
should know why we launched D-Day. -phuqm
\_ You should. It was only one of the most important
military and possibly non-military history events
in the last 100+ years. It only formed the world
as we know it today. Maybe you think who Britney
is dating is more important?
\_ Wow phuqm. I'm really impressed you signed
your name to a statement showing such amazing
ignorance. Offer of Japanese surrender
rejected: http://csua.org/u/7j9 Note that it
mentions that the Emporer would be subject to
the American military commander. The Emperor
surrendered UNCONDITIONALY after the A-bomb.
In other words, he gave up the throne.
MacArthur allowed him to continue as emperor,
but the magic was gone. Now he was just some
dude. So, in conclusion, there is still
an emperor, but he is no longer a demi-god.
-jrleek
\_ Is this a lame troll or are you just a product of the American
edjumuhkayshunal system?
\_ Because after spending years villifying the Germans and Japanese
in an attempt to cajole the United States public into believing
that WWII was a just cause, FDR became a victim of his own
propaganda. There was just no way politically that the United
States would have accepted less than victory over "the Hun"
especially when it seemed so close at hand.
\_ well said well said. everything above is boring junk
until this. |
| 2004/5/29-30 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany] UID:30495 Activity:high |
5/30 Are you a Joo, ilyas?
\_ Why are you asking this on motd? can't you just email him?
\_ Because he wants to whole motd to see the danger of the Joo
problem! d0 j00 5p33k 1337?
\_ Rotten Sie alle Juden, den ist die abschliende sung aus!
\_ why the hell didn't anyone delete this offensive
WW2 pro-Nazi propaganda slogan? -offended Jew
\_ slogans are not offensive. people are. by leaving it
others can see how offensive the person is and thus
dismiss their message. -not at all offended Jew
\_ Einstein once remarked that if his theory of relativity works,
Germany will claim he is German, and France will claim he is a
citizen of the world, whereas if it doesn't work, France will
claim he is German, and Germany will claim he is a Jew. I guess
what I am trying to say is, no one should care what I am. -- ilyas |
| 2004/5/24-25 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany] UID:30401 Activity:moderate |
5/24 http://www.hitler.org/posters I noticed that Nazi propaganda prints like to use this sharp, peculiar looking font. What font is that called? \_ Times Third-Reich \_ Bush = Hitler! \_ Why do you hate white people? \_ Don't be silly. Hitler was nowhere close to evil as Bush. \_ Hitler bang? \_ Why do you hate Hitler?? \_ Zapf Vergeltungswaffebats |
| 2004/5/24-25 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany, Politics/Foreign/Europe] UID:30400 Activity:high |
5/24 John the Native German Speaker, teach us German please. Teach us
a few words, like "You look beautiful today" or "I like your dress."
Heil John! Heil!
\_ ?
\_ Just learn some Yiddish. |
| 2004/5/8-10 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany] UID:30100 Activity:high |
5/8 There's a part in Band of Brothers part 2 I don't understand. This
guy parachutted, landed, and saw another guy and asked him where
he's from-- Eugene, Oregon, only 10 miles from where the other guy
lives, and the 2 guys started fraternizing. Then his leader told
them to not fraternize with the enemy. Moments later we hear the
machine gun and I'm guessing that the guy from Eugene OR got killed.
So who is he suppose to be, a Nazi spy?
\_ Nah, an American with relatives in Germany who decided to fight
for Gemany rather than the US. There's really nothing very
complicated about it.
\_ Right after he said he was from Eugene, OR, he was asked why he
was doing fighting for the Germans, and he explained. How'd you
miss that?
\_ yeah I don't know maybe cuz my gf was talking talking
talking and not appreciating the film. anyways why would
an American fight for Germany, is this common in WW2?
\_ he was an American-born German. It's not so
unbelievable.
\_ And you didn't slap her face?
\_ I don't think it was her face he was slapping when
the film was done....
\_ unless it was with his ... yeah, nm
\_ Well, I mean, if he was using his hand, what
else could he have been slap--...err, yeah, nm
\_ If you read a bit of history and realized when Germany started
attacking people vs. when the USA entered WWII it might dawn
on you that perhaps he joined dur fathalande before Amerikkka
entered the fight. |
| 2004/5/6 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany, Reference/History/WW2] UID:30057 Activity:high |
5/6 If Congress approves the $25 Billion request from Bush for the Iraq
War, total costs so far will equal $174 billion. Contrast this with
WWI which cost $199 billion in 2002 dollars. How much was WWII? I'm
wondering how much it will take to equal all spending on all our
wars in the 20th century, minus the Cold War of course.
\_ Maybe stuff costs a lot more now than during the 40's even when you
adjust for inflation? I don't know, just a thought.
Also, we are paying to rebuild a country. I think the WWI cost
is just to cost of defeating the German army. Also, our military
used less equipment back then than it does now.
\_ Definitely, but it doesn't subtract from the enormity of the cost.
The invasion and occupation has cost the same as the cost to
police all the streets, administer all the laws, in every
jurisdiction of the entire United States for a year.
\_ In WW1, America didn't take the brunt of fighting. The French
took the most. Started 1914, America joins 1917 after a slow
buildup of diplomatic incidents. Armistice 1918. Versailles
treaty sets up WW2. USA didn't occupy Germany.
\_ GPS bombs cost a lot more than dumb bombs. Also, casualties are a
lot lower, partially due to the high-tech stuff. |
| 2004/5/4 [Recreation/Computer/Games, Reference/History/WW2/Germany] UID:29989 Activity:high |
5/3 Attention 3d 1st person shooter gamerz: Battlefield Vietnam, yay or
nay? -BF1942 dude, alias "Nazi killing machine"
\_ I'm waiting for the truly accurate military video game where you
lay around terrified 98% of the time ... and then get insta-maimed/
killed by a sniper or pipe-bomb.
\_ BFV is much more immersive than BF1942. Plus infantry actually
stand a chance against tanks and helis. The terrain is beautiful.
\_ but should they stand a chance? against a heli? please....
\_ With a Stinger, sure they should. If you want game
balance + realism, make stingers easy to obtain.
\_ Well, this improves game balance. All you have to do is whip
out your RPK or M60 and start belting it out. When they realize
they are being shot at, they have to turn around, find you,
aim their chopper at you and shoot. Oh and in that time, you
get to find a place to hide. Most people are crappy chopper
pilots and are not resourceful enough to pickup other players
to act as door gunners.
\_ I'm still waiting for Battlefield: Iraq
\_ uh, desert sucks?
\_ No! Urban guerilla warfare!
\_ it's been done in BF1942, the Red Army field (forgot the name)
It's a nasty terrain. |
| 2004/4/26 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany] UID:13391 Activity:nil |
4/26 I don't understand this whole Axis deal. I mean, what does Germany
have in common with Japan? Food? Language? Georgraphic location?
No, no, no, and no! What the heck were Hitler/Hiro thinking?
\_ They both believed in dominating "inferior" peoples by force
of arms for "living space", and exterminating/experimenting on
said "inferior" people. Natural allies.
\_ Sorta like the Europeans and the Native Americans?
\_ Dang straight. Only problem with the theory was
that they tried on superior people.
\_ Wow, the motd is full of intelligent people.... This
reminds me of one post that said that the (west) indians
created thanksgiving to show their gratitude and another
that implied that westerners came here only to tax the
locals, and I believe they weren't joking or sarcastic.
\_ "they" = the axis? The axis was kicking the allies ass
and only lost because Hitler micro managed his superbly
top notch generals.
\_ The allies' breaking of communication codes was also
a big factor against both Japan and Germany. And
the battle of britain. But if it had gone on much
longer I guess Germany would've gotten nuked. Actually
Hitler personally helped screw the BoB too by switching
to pointlessly bombing London.
\_ the "Axis" was Germany and Italy; Japan joined later.
\_ The heat is unbearable, and you are not helping.
\_ What do you mean, I'm not helping?
\_ The axis are the bad guys, like the "axis of evil". The good guys
are the allies. Mysterious evil strangers in a foreign land
who would compromise the American Dream? Axis.
\_ Germany and Italy made up the name themselves.
\_ If we want to be anal, the URL below says Hungary came up
with "axis" first for Italy, Germany, and Hungary, but no
one used it. Mussolini popularized it, and he used axis to
mean Germany and Italy. Then in 1940 there was a
"Three-Power Pact" which included Japan; all three
countries would cooperate "to establish and maintain a new
order of things". Probably Roosevelt at some point decided
to start throwing around "Axis powers".
\_ Wrongo, boyo.
http://csua.org/u/72n
\_ While the historical origin of "axis" is such, the usage
as applied today is as originally stated
\_ Useless dodging. We're all too smart for that.
\_ I'm not sure what point we're arguing, but
I did post something above ("If we want to be anal").
\_ They were both running up against the British empire and the US.
The Brits and Americans and French were screwing around all over
Asia. It's the same kind of alliance as France-Russia, where they
have a mutual enemy between them but no possible conflicts.
\_ There were liberators and opponents of the British hegemony. |
| 2004/3/11 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany] UID:12624 Activity:very high 80%like:12625 |
3/11 Did Germany ever have a chance of winning WWII?
\_ Not after both the USA and USSR were involved, and after the USSR
brought the German offensive to a stop. But before that happened,
there were many possibilities that could have led to either victory
or a peace arrangement by Germany. Without the USSR front, against
just USA and Britain it seems like ultimately it still would have
come down to Germany losing the air war, unless the Japan war went
differently.
\_ No. While they had superior technology, US had superior production
power and relatively unlimited raw materials. The Yanks were
cranking out their inferior Sherman tanks at a rate of 10-20X
greater than the superior Panzer tanks, and even though 1 Panzer
tank could take out about 3-4 Sherman tanks, it's the overwhelming
number that wins. Same with P47/P51 vs. ME109s, etc. Germany
attempted cheap/fast production towards the end of the war
like the Volksjager but by then most of the German aces were dead
and the Hitler Youths were too young to know how to fight.
\_ same with the Chinese army. They have inferior weapons
but pushed into Korea with their fearless swarm of men.
\_ HA. The main problem with the Chinese army (if you
mean the Nationalists) wasn't equipment but leadership.
Read "Stilwell and the American Experience in China"
by Tuchman if you care.
\_ Stilwell has a very one-sided view of things.
He is a military man, but had no idea of the
political side of things.
\_ Tuchman's political analysis in the book is
convincing. Chiang Kai Shek was fundamentally
weak.
\_ Chiang Kai Shek has a very weak hand to
play.
\_ If Chiang Kai Shek had been a better
politician and advocated some things
like land reform, he probably would
have beaten Mao. He just refused
to compromise.
\_ fat hopes. CKS power base was
in the coastal cities. He had
tenuous control over just a
small part of China, and that
was before the Japanese invaded
and took that away. And never
underestimate the power of the
idea of communism at that point
in history, especially in a
peasant society like China.
Stilwell wants Chiang to fight
the Japanese. That's would be
a dumb move.
\_ Communism is ill suited for a peasant
society whether in practice or in
ideology. Mao practiced and won with
something else.
\_ it didn't matter. by the
time the peasants realize
that, the war was long over.
\_ CKS had a very small army
reasonably equiped (but far
inferior to the Japanese) under
his control. The rest are
ragtag troops pulled off the
street. There are also
some warlords / generals
fighting under his banner, but
the troops under these people
are loyal to these people, not
to CKS. They are often
from the same province, etc.,
and CKS could not ignore
the views and interests of
these warlords / generals.
Outsiders way overestimated
CKS's power.
\_ Germans had very good weapons. Just not enough.
\_ if they didn't attack Russia, maybe Germany would have
consolidated their conquests.
\_ if the Germans delayed enough, they could have had nuclear
weapons
\_ Frankly, My person take is that if Nazi didn't
1. attack russia, and 2. killing Jews, I really think they
got the chance to win. I don't know if you noticed,
a lot of nuclear bomb scientist are jews escaped from Nazi's
insanity.
\_ Yeah, but without their racist ideas about Jews and
Slavs, it wouldn't have been Nazi Germany, it would
have been something more rational. Something more
rational would not have tried to conquer the world
against overwhelming odds.
\_ if they restricted themselves to a part of Europe
(like Poland and France), Hitler probably would
have had a longer career.
\_ Possibly. The most interesting counterfactual here is whether
Stalin would have attacked had Hitler not. Hitler believed Stalin
was going to come get him once his military machine was up and
running. This was one of his main reasons for going in 1941 and
surprising the hell out of the Red Army. Stalin would have probably
gone after Germany if he perceived weakness. A fully rational
policy on the part of Hitler would have taken all of Europe west
of Poland and east of Great Britain, and stopping there, making it
a very tough nut for Stalin to crack. Russians had a hell of a
time with the Finns, and Germans would have been 10 times worse.
On the other hand, the Russians learned a lot from the Winter War.
However, Hitler had other obsessions (autarky, jews, bolsheviks)
which prevented rational policy. Hitler also wasn't very smart.
-- ilyas
\_ I'm glad Hitler wasn't very smart -- he attacked Russia.
But Stalin isn't that great either.
\_ Stalin was regarded as brilliant by everyone who had
much dealing with him:
http://www.plp.org/books/Stalin/node138.html
\_ Stalin was a stupid peasant. He was, however, unusually
ruthless, which explains his long tenure. When the
Germans invaded in 1941 he disappeared for two weeks. The
common theory is that he had a breakdown, and thought it
was all over. The generals eventually convinced him to
return and head the war effort (by this time the Germans
had overran most of Ukraine and killed or captured many
millions of Red Army soldiers). This link cites a bunch
of russian generals who knew better than to say something
other than what they said. Also, the progressive labor
party's website? Give me a break. Ask a russian historian
instead. -- ilyas
\_ So Ilya, would you attribute Stalingrad simply to the
Russian soldiers solid unwillingness to give in?
\_ Stalingrad was the first time Stalin let Zhukov
handle the operation. Stalin's big personal growth
during WWII consisted of realizing he should let the
professionals do their job (something Hitler never
learned). Russian soldiers did many heroic things
during WWII, even considering the monstrous
compulsion imposed on them by the NKVD.
Nevertheless, Stalingrad was an operational, rather
than a tactical success. People keep talking about
the street fighting, but the key to the operation
was the pincer maneuver which surrounded Paulus.
This was not something the Red Army could have pulled
off in 1941. -- ilyas
\_ I wasn't talking about Stalin as a military man.
I was talking about his human rights record.
\_ frankly, I don't know who is more dumb, Hitler's obsession with
bolsheviks, or our obsessioon with communism for the next 40
years after Hitler is defeated.
\_ Well, both Hitler and the US had legitimate concerns about
communism, since it was a bit of a hegemonising swarm object.
However, Hitler went further (and off the deep end) than
good policy dictated. Whether the US policy of containment
was wise, or there was a better idea is still an open
question. -- ilyas
\_ ilya, you deleted my comment. You bad man! --ann coulter
\_ Not on purpose. -- ilyas
\_ Use motdedit and your stuff won't get deleted (as much).
\_ Dunno about that. I did use motdedit. It still got
deleted. I'm pretty sure motdedit goes in the Kool
Aid category. --ann coulter
\_ maybe, but they lost so whats the point in discussing it now?
\_ some people are interested in topics like this.
\_ c.f. "war on two fronts"
\_ If they didn't attack Russia, maybe they would have
held on to more of Europe.
\_ Hitler went in against a Sicilian when death was on the line.
-geordan
\_ Why so much random censorship on this thread?
\_ Yes. Forget all of the BS about Russia and the second front. If
Japan had managed to put down an invasion force in Hawaii, the
US would never have approved a "Europe first policy."
\_ very interesting thought. |
| 2004/3/4-5 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany, Politics/Domestic/SocialSecurity] UID:12516 Activity:nil |
4/3 Republican Congressman Godwins himself!
http://csua.org/u/6a0 (radio news link)
\_ Someone should remind Mr. Cole that for a long time before our
entry into WWII, many Americans did indeed support Hitler.
\_ "Many"? Bullshit. There are always stupid people in large
groups. I'd *love* to see you cite the term "many".
\_ "Cole is quoted as asking what Hitler might have thought had
Franklin Roosevelt not been re-elected in 1944."
The difference being that Roosevelt was a Democrat and a social
progressive.
\_ And a war monger who got us into WWII on a pretext that caused
the lost of hundreds of American lives and a big chunk of the
U.S. Navy.
\_ I also don't think the Japanese were too thrilled one way or another
when Churchill got ousted in April '45. |
| 2004/2/26-27 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany] UID:12425 Activity:kinda low |
2/26 Panzer/Tiger > T34 > Sherman
\_ Thank you for that well-reasoned piece of historical analysis.
\_ I'm encouraging discussion.
\_ Each individual tank was better, but because the Sherman
was mass produced in a way the Panzer was not, it could
be produced in 5X quantities. Was the Panzer better than
5 Sherman's?
\_ you are right. one on one, Panzer > Shermans.
But Shermans were mass-produced and tactics had to change.
Which tank would you rather be in?
\_ None. They were all death traps.
\_ I would prefer to be in a Panther. Good gun,
good mobility, reliable. I hear some are still
in use today in Africa.
\_ The Germans called Shermans "Tommycookers" because they
easily caught fire. There are documented cases of a
Tiger decimating multiple Shermans, without retaliation
(Sherman shells just bounced off). America placed
production over R&D as a priority for their tank
program in the 30s. This unfortunate oversight cost
many American lives early in 1944. It took almost a
year for American tanks to become useful (they were
never very good in WWII). Americans won their battles
with excellent supplies, overwhelming air superiority,
and general Patton, not with tanks. -- ilyas
never very good in WWII). -- ilyas
\_ What was that gianormous German tank that they only built a few of?
\_ Maus. It was far bigger than the King Tiger, but never saw
service. Even King Tigers (or even normal Tigers) were often
used as stationary artillery by the retreating German forces.
Incidentally, while the Panther was a better tank than the T-34,
it had two major problems. One was the much greater complexity,
which made it difficult to repair damaged Panthers (or keep
undamaged ones operational). Another was
the relatively narrow tracks (compared to the wide T-34 tracks)
which made mobility on poor roads in Russia much much worse.
The Panther was also very expensive and lavishly made. By the
time it entered service, Germany's priority should have been
stamping out as many tanks as possible, as cheaply and quickly
as possible, like the Russians were doing.
T-34 was the better tank, per unit of resource.
-- ilyas
\_ King Tiger? They made 485 of them. They were basically
unstoppable until they ran out of fuel.
\_ Why? Longer range?
\_ They had really thick sloped armor and a gun that
could take out any other tank at a range of 2km.
But even point blank, the Sherman could just not
penetrate the King Tiger armor. The best the
allies could hope to do was detrack it.
\_ Maybe you mean The Maus, that they only made two prototypes
of. They were 180 Tons and never saw combat.
\_ there was the Tiger I and the Tiger II (King Tiger) |
| 2004/2/11 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany] UID:12213 Activity:moderate |
2/11 You're in a desert, walking along in the sand when all of a sudden-
\_ What one?
\_ What?
\_ What desert?
\_ It doesn't make any difference what desert, it's
completely hypothetical.
\_ It does matter which desert. I want to know if I find
WMD.
\_ But how can I be there?
\_ Maybe you're fed up, maybe you want to be by
yourself, who knows?
\_ Free Palestine! Push the Israelis into the sea!
\_ Go to hell, you anti-semite!
\_ Hitler, Hitler, Hitler!
\_ http://csua.org/u/5ye
\_ Quirk's Exception: Intentional invocation of this
so-called "Nazi Clause" is ineffectual.
You look down and you see a tortoise, it's crawling toward you-
\_ Tortoise? What's that? urlP
\_ http://csua.org/u/5yd
\_ Know what a turtle is?
\_ Of course.
\_ Same thing.
\_ I've never seen a turtle. But I understand what you
mean.
You reach down, you flip the tortoise over on its back.
\_ Do you make up these questions, or do they write them down for you?
\_ They're just questions. In answer to your query, they're
written down for me. It's a test, designed to provoke an
emotional response.
\- do you use different questions for non-whites? -psb
\_ RIDE BIKE! USE LINUX!
\_ I use magic missile on the darkness!
\_ lightning bolt! /csua/tmp/other-larpers.mpeg
The tortoise lays on its back, its belly baking in the hot sun
beating its legs trying to turn itself over but it can't, not without
your help, but you're not helping.
\_ What do you mean I'm not helping?
\_ I mean, you're not helping. Why is that?
\_ The tortoise should help itself. If it can't, it's weak
and deserves to die.
\_ Well, you know what Stalin said about tortoises.
\_ "I don't care. I want one. In my soup. Now."
\_ Bad troll, no cookie.
\_ Stop overwriting my posts!
\_ Use motdedit like the rest of us.
\_ 'Like the rest of us'? You mean all two of you?
Get serious.
\_ Never!
\_ Then tough.
Shall we continue? Describe in single words, only the good things
that come in to your mind about: your mother.
\_ My mother?
\_ Yeah.
\_ Let me tell you about my mother.
\_ Let me tell you about yermom.
\_ j_gurli3: i start unbuttoning ur shirt.
bloodninja: Rhinoceruses don't wear shirts.
j_gurli3: No, ur not really a Rhinocerus silly, it's just part of
the game.
bloodninja: Rhinoceruses don't play games. They f*cking charge
your ass. |
| 2004/1/17 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany] UID:11814 Activity:nil |
1/16 Food for thought: If Hitler had won WW2, Bush would be saying
"The Evil Allies" instead of "The Evil Axis". Yet another useless
thought provided you by Motd of the Day.
\_ If Hitler had won, there wouldn't be a US govt, right?
\_ http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0679740678/qid=1074318567/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/102-9085981-5756950?v=glance&s=books
\_ Depends. The odds that Germany could have actually taken over
the entire world was rather minimal. They just didn't have
enough men. If you don't have an armed soldier standing on a
piece of land, you don't control it. More likely, the US and
Germany would have ended up in a stalemate where neither could
cross the oceans to do any serious harm until technology had
advanced a great deal. You'd have a German/US Cold War instead
of a USSR/ US one. Hitler would eventually have been
assassinated or dropped dead and someone less psychotic would
take over and the German Empire would fall apart, a la the USSR.
History has a funny way of staying the same even in what-if?
scenarios.
\_ Sometimes one wonders which would have been an easier bad
guy: USSR or the Axis states... |
| 2003/12/24 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany, Reference/Military] UID:11579 Activity:high |
12/23 Regards to Nurenberg Trial. Nurenberg is just an instrument for
the victors to humilate and extract values from the defeated enemy.
This is why none of the Allie forces ever got tried for the atrocity
they commited. This includes looting of Nazi treasury and art
collection (which still sits in the National Archive in Washingon DC),
as well as includes nuclear bombing, fire bombing,
and all the carpet bombing we performed on civilians.
This is also the reason why some of the Nazi units, noticebly the
African Corp and the Nazi Navy, who fought the war with extremely
high degree of professionalism, also got tried and convicted by
the Nurenberg.
This is also the reason why Emporer of Japan, who ultimately
started the Asian front of World War 2, didn't get tried as a
war criminal. Ridiculously, last emperor of China was tried
as a war criminal for being a puppet of Japanese Empire.
Then, there is the story of Unit 731 of Japanese Army, who used
civilians and POWs to test chemical/biological weapon.None of them
were even tried because they made a deal with USA. In exchange for
their freedom, they gave USA the test results of these chemical/
biological weapon experiments using human subjects.
There is nothing perplex about Nurenberg once you accept the fact
that it is nothing more than instruement to enhance US and British
interest. If you try to think in the line of administering justice,
then you will have serious problems.
-- a Chinese who has no sympathy toward Japan,
but still think nuclear bombing is wrong.
\_ To the victor, go the spoils. So fucking what? And as far as
American still thinking of China as a subject state, again, so
fucking what? If it was the other way around, the Chinese wouldn't
be sitting around wondering how they can sell us more Big Macs.
They'd have destroyed our country and our children right through
college would be learning about how the Great Leader Mao saved us
from our Imperalist Oppressors and it only cost us DC, LA, and
Chicago, but hey they were all bastions of evil capitalists anyway.
Take your Chinese troll to some place that gives a shit. When
you're a citizen you can vote and then your opinion will matter
to someone. Or you can go home and vote there, but, oh no, wait,
sorry, you can't vote there. No one can vote there.
\_ Of course you can vote there, moron! You can vote "yes" or
"yes".
\_ Yes you can vote there, moron! You can vote "yes" or "yes".
\_ Can you elaborate on the Nazi units with extremely high degree of
professionalism part? Thx.
\_ think he means no rampage of killing, no sniper, no
sabotage, etc, that they fought according to the book &
followed the Geneva Convention of treating US soldiers
with respect.
\_ Heh. Snipers are unprofessional now?
Are you on crack? Should we go back to the civil war
era of gentleman wars where people marched around in
tightly packed formations, and targetting officers
with respect.
was considered poor sportsmanship? wtf
\_ Frankly as an American with both of my grandfather's fighting in
in WWII I don't give a fuck what you think. That said, in the
battle for Okinawa over 250,000 died. Extrapolate those numbers
to Kyushu and then the home island...
Japan had its entire Army intact in China, and the
Soviets were days from entering the war. Had they, Japan and
China would likely still be partitioned like the Koreas.
Furthermore it was impractical to move the millions of needed
troops out of Europe because of the Soviet threat. One could
go on and on...
\_ Partition was unnecessary. It end up being partitioned
as result of USA and USSR splits the spoils of the war,
treating the Chinese as nothing more than their Imperialistic
subjects. This mentality still exist today in the mind of
Americans. |
| 2003/12/12 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany] UID:29713 Activity:nil |
12/12 M$ Latest Patch: http://tinyurl.com/yxxt |
| 2003/12/10 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany, Reference/History/WW2] UID:11388 Activity:high |
12/9 If you dont' support us, you don't get the contract:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/3305501.stm
This is all good except USA is panhandling the very same
nations which USA left out for reconstruction fund *AND*
debt restrucuring.
\_ Fuck em, if reconstructing their countries after WWII
and footing the defense bill for the entire Cold War was
not enough, let them rot in their socialists
constructs. Next time they need help...
\_ Err ... didn't know US helped reconstruct Russia
after WWII, and helped Russia during Cold War.
Must have been reading the wrong history books.
\_ Russia refused Marshall plan aid; it was offered. Sent
billions worth of war material during WWII; in return,
got its pilots interned. The US also sold a bunch of
nuclear reactors and massive amounts of food to the USSR
` during the cold war. Get over yourself.
And you, you illerate baboon, learn to troll. I'm
disappointed, bad show. 1941, after years of lend-lease,
hardly counts as "very late". I guess I should blame
the stellar chicom educational system for your poor grasp
of history and English grammar. Idiot. _
\
Must be reading the wrong histroy books.
\_ declared war in 1941, only after attacked. not in
Africa until 1943. By then Soviet Union already
won the war, with wermacht on full retreat in the
eastern front. Me chicom? Nah, me front line
troops against chicom unlike US stay home slackers
like yourself.
\_ US is a fucking slacker during WWII, didn't
join the fight against facism until very late.
of defense.
It is US who should thank these countries for
serving as its front line troops and first line
of defense.
\_ Rest of the world is fucking slacker now, didn't join the
fight against religious fundamentalism at all. It is the
rest of the world who should thank the US for taking the
initiative.
\- this is consistent with why i felt the UN should tell the US
"we have no interest in bailing you out" ... you got yourself
into the swamp, now you can pay for it with your blood,
treasure and possibly electoral votes. --psb |
| 2003/12/1-2 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany] UID:29679 Activity:nil |
12/1 Who gave the names "Axis" and "Allies"? I mean, do Nazis and Japs
call themselves "Axis"? or they call themselves something nicer?
\_ The term Axis was first used by Hitler in one of his speeches.
\_ 1936 Italian-German mutual assistance pact, "Rome-Berlin axis."
Expanded later to Rome-Berlin-Tokyo axis. Remember that early
on, Hitler feared and respected Mussolini (who for example
forced him to ditch his ambitions on Austria in 1935.) So
this was the first of a series of alliances geared towards
safeguarding the Hun from threats to his flank. -John
\_ I think they called themselves the Eigenvector.
\_ Eigenvolk, eigenreich, eigenvector!
\_ Eigenhower.
\_ I think it's just politics. For example what we used to call
Afghan Freedom Fighters are now called Terrorists, Mujahadins,
Evil Axis (coined by GWB), etc. I'm guessing most of the names
are given by politicians, nothing else. |
| 2003/11/28 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany] UID:11254 Activity:moderate |
11/27 I just found out that the British decoded German Enigma codes
and that the Americans decoded Japanese codes. Did the Axis ever
decode Allied codes?
\_ There's a statement on record from the chief of Japanese army
intelligence (Lt. Gen. Seizo Arisue) that they were unable to
crack any US codes. There are some decent histories of Abwehr
activities in this area; David Alvarez (bibliography at
link:tinyurl.com/wv70 has done a lot of work in this area.
Also: http://intellit.muskingum.edu -John
\_ so besides numerical superiority, they also had
crypto superiority? The thing is, I saw a documentary
where the Brits decoded every single message towards
the end of the war and knew every single German troop
movement. The same goes for U.S. which assassinated
Yamamoto because they knew where he was flying. However,
the documentary never talked if the Axis powers ever
decoded their messages.
\_ The German infantry/pilots/spies/technology were
superior in many ways. They're more disciplined, more
trained, and more experienced than their lazy, kick
activities in this area, also "Diplomatic Solutions: German
Foreign Office Cryptanalysis, 1919-1945 by David Alvarez in the
International Journal of Intelligence and Counterintelligence 9.
A good bibliography is here: http://intellit.muskingum.edu -John
backed, football watching beer drinking Americans. The
only reason the Allies won was cuz of their mighty
production and a few smart code breakers. -hans
\_ Don't forget the Eastern Front, Hans. Hehe. -ivan
\_ agree. Without Hitler's obsession with Communism,
(something *WE* were obsess with in next 40 years
or so), I honest think Hitler was this close to
won the war.
\_ Yes. White people >>> Non-white people. That's your
point, right?
\_ Germans are white.
\_ GOOD ONE!!!
\_ Wasn't the only unbroken code in WWII, the Native American
Indians code? (a movie, Windtalkers, was made about this) |
| 2003/11/21 [Reference/Military, Reference/History/WW2/Germany] UID:11171 Activity:high |
11/20 The Germans had the V1/V2 cruise missile and the Japanese had germ and
chemicals. Rather than bombing London with traditional explosives
and incendiaries, why didn't they borrow germ/chemical technologies
on the Brits?
\_ Oh ignorant one of history, Hitler fondly remembers being attacked
by chemicla weapons in WWI as measily Corporal and that's one of
the reasons why he didn't do the same.
\_ At the end of the war, pounded from all sides, the Axis were
anything but monolithic. I am guessing there simply wasn't enough
communication between Germany and Japan by the time Hitler became
desperate enough to seriously consider 'miracle weapons' like
toxins and germs. Furthermore, even if Japan agreed to make
available to Germany the results of its germs/toxins programs, there
would be staggering logistical difficulties in moving the required
materials to Germany. Japan had a hard enough time moving oil
and essential supplies through American bombers and ships.
-- ilyas
\_ they needed to have insurance (Nukes) first so there wouldn't be
any severe retaliation from nukes dropped on Germany.
\_ chemical warfare has never been really effective and germ warfare
is very difficult to do right and there's always the worry that
some bug you release will come back and wipe you out, too. so
even if they could've done it, neither was a good plan.
\_ on battle field, true. against civilian, you would be suprised
how effective it is on reducing population. Japanese at the
had enough anthrex to kill entire world's population, I heard
\_ no. effective dispersal is *very* difficult. it comes down
to this: if you need to get a person into the chemical or germ
zone to have an effect, it is cheaper to just bomb them. if
it is some brutal pathogen that spreads easily then you can
get wiped out by it, too. anthrax is a really shitty mass bio
weapon, btw.
\_ This must be emphasized. Even in WWI, gas attacks were
effective primarily because of weather conditions and that
soldiers had to stay where they were, in low-lying areas,
so they wouldn't get shot. Wind, perciptation, temperature
all affect the effectiveness of chem/bio weapons.
\_ They'd be even more effective in the case of a high tech
force fighting a low tech one, but the western
hight-tech armies have sworn to not use them. Which
is a pity considering that most of their battlese these
days seem to be against vastly inferior tech-wise
opponents. The ineffectiveness of chem weapons in WWI
was more one of stupid generals not taking proper
advantage of them. The first use of Chlorine at Ypres
caused a breach in the French lines that the Germans
didn't bother to exploit. No weapon is effective in
incompetant hands.
\_ are you saying they'd be a good weapon against
civilians today? in WWII in London? it's still
way easier to just bomb someone.
\_ Ah, I'm guessing you're a "destroy-the-village"
kinda guy.
\_ when the enemy combatantants are indistinguishable
from the village, and/or are supported by the
village, is the distinction not blurred? |
| 2003/11/17 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany] UID:11107 Activity:high |
11/17 Why is there not a corollary to Godwin's Law that specifies that
discussion ends whenever Stalin or Communism is invoked? They serve
exactly the same purpose as mentioning Nazis or Hitler: to stifle
thoughtful discussion and provoke anger.
\_ you're taking it all too seriously, son. let it go.
\_ It's called Niwdog's Rule.
\_ Nah, in American culture, Hitler==evil. Stalin doesn't evoke much
of anything. It doesn't matter what he did, it's not part of pop cul-
ture to know or care about that. It goes back to WW2 when he was an
ally, hence no propaganda against him. Communism is a big yawn also,
China is still "communist" and this is not a problem for consumers
or politicians.
of anything. It doesn't matter what he did, it's not part of pop
culture to know or care about that. It goes back to WW2 when he was
an ally, hence no propaganda against him. Communism is a big yawn
also, China is still "communist" and this is not a problem for
consumers or politicians. |
| 2003/10/16 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany] UID:10653 Activity:nil |
10/15 \_ http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Space/2003/10/15/226775-ap.html Hahaha, conservatives LOSE again. \_ "After five years of virtual house arrest and secret negotiations between Washington and Beijing, Tsien left for his homeland in 1955." \_ the negotiation was for downed US pilots from the Korean War. \_ Yes, because "the conservatives" live in a different world so when something bad happens to this country it only hurts them, but the american hating crowd has somehow thing crow about. Sheesh, whatever. With or without this guy they'd be in the same place. They'd just have stolen whatever this guy didn't learn about the V2 from von Braun. \_ Unfortunately, unlike the neanderthals, the "conservatives" still live among us, and their stupidity continues to cost us dearly. I forgot, what's the name of the idiot whose name is synonymous to the 1950s political witch hunt in the US? \_ Joseph McCarthy. Ann Coulter idolizes him. Seriously. |
| 2003/10/7 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany] UID:10496 Activity:nil |
10/7 This is something I don't understand. We killed millions of Japs and
Germans during WW2, yet after their defeat we don't have records
of them trying to slaughter us. However, even though we didn't
kill many Arabs/Muslims, why do they hate us so much and want
to slaughter us?
\_ religion can be a funny thing, no?
\_ Japs? Why not use "Gerries" and "towel-heads" too?
\_ Funny how you exaggerate "millions" - the Russian killed way
many more Germans. It's very simple, the Arabs/Muslims were once
a proud people in the lead, now they all live under repessive
theocracy. This is their latest gasp to regain "power" - absent
any economic power - is hardly power. |
| 2003/10/4-5 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany] UID:10470 Activity:nil |
10/4 Heh, turns out those Arnie Hitler quotes were made up by his
ex-business partner who was trying to sell a book. Time for lots of
apologies all around on that one. I don't expect to see any from
anyone in the media even after above the fold giant headlines. Maybe
it'll be a page 9 blurb to correct their misunderstanding.
\_ Even less reported was when Arnie broke up a neo-nazi gathering
when he was 16 years old.
\_ aren't these people legally culpable? also, is it legal to print a
front page story claiming someone is a Nazi and then putting a tiny
"correction" buried in the next issue?
\_ There are some things in life a lawsuit can't correct. The
election will be long over and any damage done long before they
get to court. Anyway, I doubt he'd win anyway. We have a very
free press in this country.
\_ url?
\_ Page 9 of the entertainment section of the LA Times this morning. |
| 2003/10/3-4 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany, Politics/Domestic/California/Arnold] UID:10442 Activity:nil |
10/3 Any Jews here would like to comment on the Arnie's father being a
Nazi? Would you not vote for him because of that? This sins of
the father doesn't work in the US. But I can imagine it working in
Europe and Asia.
\_ Sure. Nothing to do with it. Voting for Tom anyway. Arnold isn't
a conservative. |
| 2003/9/24 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany, Politics/Foreign/Europe] UID:10307 Activity:nil |
9/23 German sailors render extraordinary honors to US at sea
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/988161/posts?page=1,50
\_ Nice. Thanks for posting that. -mice
\_ Yeah nice--didn't they already do it once two years
back? -John
\_ Doesn't diminish the gesture any. -mice
\_ Maybe every real man wasn't killed in WW2. The few survivors
sent their sons to the German navy.
\_ Very nice. Previous gesture mentioned above:
http://www.atlanticfleet.navy.mil/church-lutjens.htm -niloc |
| 2003/7/23-24 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany, Politics/Domestic/President/Reagan] UID:29118 Activity:nil |
7/23 More academic execellence from Berkeley
UC BERKELEY STUDY - What do Hitler, Mussolini, Reagan and Rush
Limbaugh Have in common....
http://www.berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2003/07/22_politics.shtml
Too bad Hitler was a socialist.
\_ Putting a general label like 'socialist' on what passes for
Hitler's political philosophy is a bit simplistic. I trust you've
had a browse through Mein Kampf and a some good work on Nazi
economic policy in the 1930s to help you come up with that
statement. -John |
| 2003/7/15-16 [Recreation/Computer/Games, Reference/History/WW2/Germany] UID:29040 Activity:high |
7/14 We have a lot of games that kill Nazis and Japs (Medal of Honor,
MS Combat Flight Simulator, etc etc etc). Just out of curiousity,
do the Germans/Japanese make games that kill the Allies?
\_ while there is plenty of nazi paraphenalia in Japan, I have never
seen a game where you actually fight the US. There are plenty
where you try to take over Asia though! Also I believe the
swastika is illegal in Germany. -brain
\_ Wolfenstein 3D is illegal in Germany for the Nazi imagery.
Probably the original Wolfenstein was not illegal though because
the graphics were so shitty!
\_ Games involving killing humans are illegal there. C&C
had humans replaced by robots. There is a game called
'camp commander' in the underground nazi scene in .de
that's a resource-management game involving sending "Turks"
off to concentration camps. There are a few games where
you play nazis/japs, like Battlefield 1942, and the old
Secret Weapons of the Luftwaffe (the sound clips in
BF1942 are absolutely hilarious.) -John
\_ i wonder how come we don't have any game like "Slave Tycoon."
\_ that'd be REALLY cool too. I'm looking for similar games,
like Clubbing Baby Seals and Tiger Hunting
\_ You should play Fallout 2. Jet, man, Fucking Jet!
\_ there are lots of games where you can play a Japanese Zero and
shoot the Americans, or drive a Panzer tank and kill the Allies.
\_ or play the iraqi killing american troops.
\_ Not really because those Japanese and those Nazi are 'gone'. The
people there now (mostly) don't associate themselves with those
dead empires. Do you associate yourself with the slave holding
\_ No but it's a reeeallly touchy subject in both Japan
and Germany. Infinitely more so than anything you can
imagine here about slaves or indians. -John
south in this country? The natives? The Spanish who held CA?
The French who held the center of the country? The Russians who
held Alaska?
\_ I associate myself with cowboys who kill injun savages.
\_ Are there any games where I can play Israeli troops and exterminate
palestinians? I'm too much of a pussy to join the Israeli army
to do that, so I want to do the next best thing. Thanks.
\_ No, but I've seen the "Palestinian Pizza Bomber game" followed
closely by the sequels, "Disco Bomber", "University Bomber",
"Bus Bomber" and "Hotel Bomber" which were all included in a
special "Push them into the sea" pack which had a special addon
where you get to toss old wheelchair bound Jews into the sea
from a cruise ship you've taken over. I'm looking forward to
"The Last Arab/Israeli War" game where the Arabs attack (again)
and win this time and you get to play Arabs butchering Jews in
the streets en masse while the UN passes resolutions against
the wicked Jews for getting in the way of your axes and bullets.
\_ Can we have an adult themed fantasy role playing game like
ultima6 or something but with lots of kinky sex?
\_ Write it and they shall cum. |
| 2003/7/10 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:28987 Activity:high |
7/9 Today's quote:
"We sleep safely in our beds because rough men stand ready in the
night to visit violence on those who would harm us". George Orwell
\_ Yes, and the same could be said if you were a Nazi under Hitler.
\_ It could? No, not really. BTW, you lose. You're not only the
first to mention Hitler or the Nazis but went straight to it.
\_ Yes, it applies. No, you lose. Try again.
\_ In our age there is no such thing as "keeping out of politics."
All issues are political issues, and politics itself is a mass of
lies, evasions, folly, hatred, and schizophrenia. -George Orwell
\_ Who is harming who? It's only now that we are admiting our leader
lied to get popular support for the war, we essentially destroyed
all the infrastructures. We are "rebuilding" Iraq financed by
bonds backed up by next 10 years of oil produced by Iraq, which
only US Firm and its allies are benefiting. Frankly, this is
imperialism at work, almost as blatent as Britian's Opium War
150 years ago. And you are saying that they are harming us?
\_ Stupid or naive - you decide:
\_ they're screwing us anyway with terrorism, we'll screw
them with imperialism
\_ you really think that they were the one who fired
the first shot? |
| 2003/6/7-8 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany, Reference/History/WW2] UID:28668 Activity:kinda low |
6/7 First Wave at Omaha Beach - a recounting by military
historian S.L.A. Marshall from 1960
http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/60nov/omaha.htm
\_ More dead rich white men tooting their horns about how bravely
they murdered and oppressed a foreign peoples. |
| 2003/5/24 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany, Politics/Foreign/Europe] UID:28542 Activity:nil |
5/25 France was crying foul
when Hitler occupied France. Yet after Ally's victory, France
turned around continue its occupation of Algeria and so-called
Indo-China. What justified French occupation of its "interest"
while condemn the Nazi Germany for doing the same thing?
What is the differences between Nazi dumping Jews to ghettoss
versus USA dump its Japanese decents to concentration camp?
Is the fact that USA and France is a democracy justify these
policies? |
| 2003/3/28-30 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany] UID:27898 Activity:very high |
3/28 Iraq Teach-In at Oakland City Hall Monday, March 31, 7pm
Details: ~erikred/oak_teachin
\_ "Teach-In". WTF was that ever supposed to mean anyway? Will they
teach me about the Nazi inspired political philosophy behind the
Baathist party? Will they teach me about the 60,000 kurds Hussein
murdered in the 91 uprising? Will they teach me anything at all
about the real history of Iraq?
\_ Nazi? I've seen him mostly described as a Stalinist. If you think
about it, Stalin describes his behavior far better than Hitler.
Besides, the mustache thing is total hero worship.
\_ Nazi. It's been said many times before on the motd. Go look
up the history of the Baathist party and who they modeled
themselves on. Hint: it was 1930's Nazi Germany.
\_ Hint: you are wrong. It was Stalinist.
\_ why don't at least one of you clowns actually provide
a source. several of us are actually anal enough
to go read both your sources.
\_ Stalin! I saw it on CNN!!1! Hussein models himself
after him. Did anyone else see the segment???
\_ Uh, but didn't this thread almost immediately
invalidate itself anyway? cf. Godwin's Law.
\_ No because in this case, it's actually on
topic. If you're actually talking about the
Nazis then its ok to talk about the Nazis, eh?
\_ ok i typed stalin saddam hero into google and got some
pbs frontline interview:
http://csua.org/u/bec
or ok here is your hero Bush saying so himself!
http://csua.org/u/bed
I'm too lazy to find something more...but I don't need
a source, I know the history of Stalin and Hitler and
Saddam's tactics fit Stalin. All 3 of course share some
tendencies. Stalin named places after himself, so did
Saddam, not Hitler. Hitler promoted intense nationalism
militarism and industry, while Saddam and Stalin relied
more on controlling the rabble with an iron fist.
\_ You idiots. Hitler took lessons from Stalin. Stalin
was Hitler's hero! What do you think the Gestapo was
modelled after. It all goes to Stalin.
\_ Not to mention the concentration camps. Though,
Lenin and Trotsky were the true pioneers of that
concept.
\_ Gach, so annoying. It's late right now so I'll dig
up some Baathist party history links for you ignorant
louts tomorrow. It doesn't matter what mustache the
man wears. What utter crap. Christ oh mighty!
\_ Although (me from above again), does it really matter if it
was Nazi or Stalin philosophy at this point? Both were in
need of a good killing.
\_ did he murder that many kurds and shia's? i thought it was shia's
\_ Is one group worth more than the other? They're all Iraqi and
they're all human beings and were all defenseless civilians.
\_ Sorry, pal. I'm just passing this along. Feel free to show
up and ask Jane Brunner.
\_ Ok, no problem. I read the list of speakers/teachers. It's
a bunch of socialists. What are the odds of getting that
'fair & balanced' educational perspective that might actually
teach someone something?
\_ i do this by reading biased articles from opposite sides
and figuring out my own reality is somewhere in between.
\_ Let's not forget that both Hitler and Stalin were Socialist/
Communist. Hitler's party was the National Socialist German
Workers Party. So please, Hitler was not right-wing, he
a hardcore leftist.
\_ Not to mention Clinton, Jimmy Carter and Willie Brown.
Communist. |
| 2003/3/14 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany, Reference/History/WW2] UID:27695 Activity:high |
3/13 A Short History of World War III
http://www.partialobserver.com/ArticlePrint.cfm?ArticleID=653
\_ He forgot the terrorist plot to flush out and impurify all of
our precious bodily fluids.
\_ name one thing that is wrong in the above article.
\_ Where to begin... for one thing, the article lists
a bunch on random events and suggests that this is
evidence for a coordinated war against the US with
its roots in the Iranian revolution, without providing
any reason as to why we should connect these
events together. For another example of this sort
of thing, see:
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/02_11_02_lucy.html
\_ This is nothing like a World War. How is it like WWI or
WWII? It is more like the War of Spanish Succession
or to correctly include the religious element, The
Counter-Reformation. Hey, we even have Ashcroft
as Inquistor General! His babble about the 2.5%
should tip you off that he is a kook.
should tip you off that he is a kook. At least
he mentions the Thirty Years War at the end.
\_ ever seen a terrorist drink a glass of water?
\_ ever seen an elephant in an apple tree?
\_ ever watched Dr. Strangelove?
\_ If you're not trying to genocide someone it isn't a World War
quality war. It's a police action at best these days. |
| 2003/2/26 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany, Politics/Foreign/Europe] UID:27529 Activity:nil |
2/25 At a party attended by Congressman Tom Delay to a French diplomat,
after discussing Iraq:
Delay: "Do you speak German?"
Diplomat: "No"
Delay: "You're welcome"
Delay walks away.
\_ Boy, that'll show em! Those Frog Eaters!!! How dare they
disagree with us about anything after all we did for them
55 years ago!
\_ Not to mention trying to draw a parellel between Iraq and
Nazi germany is just plain silly. |
| 2003/2/13 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany, Politics/Foreign/Europe] UID:27392 Activity:nil |
2/12 "As Berman reported, Mr. Fischer (German Foreign Minister),
you rose in public life as an important
figure in the anti-American, anti-liberal, neo-Marxist,
revolution-minded German radical left of the generation of 1968."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A59725-2003Feb11.html |
| 2003/1/29 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany] UID:27234 Activity:high |
1/29 http://www.press-citizen.com/news/012903drugs.htm This is the problem with kids today and Bush's Nazi scheme to have everyone reporting on everyone else. It's insanity! Let Snead go! \_ The Communist China did it the best. They taught the kids to report any "anti-revolution" behavior to the govt. There was even a govt. slogan which went like "You don't want dad, you don't want mom, you only want the country!" \_ it was during the height of Mao's rule. I think people in China today resent this and other aspect of the political movement started by him. \_ They've got nothing on that moron Bush. Our "President". \_ Ain't mine, I didn't voted for him, and I still don't think he won Florida legally. \_ Right on! I'm with you! I'm putting my money where my mouth is and not paying any Federal taxes while he's illegally in office. \_ Every kid loves show-n-tell day! |
| 2002/10/30-31 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany] UID:26366 Activity:low 66%like:25405 66%like:26928 |
10/30 This is not a troll!
\_ You're not fooling me!
\_ You nazi. That post is like hitler. I had sex with yermom.
Kill all republicans. Ban abortion. Asian women are hot. |
| 2002/9/22 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany] UID:25977 Activity:very high |
9/22 Regarding this Bush compared to Hitler thing-- why? I think it's
perfectly apt-- Hitler did use war to distract the populace from
domestic troubles, and it does seem like a motive worth
considering wrt to the US as well.
\_ Yes, Bush ordered the death of 6 million Jews. Instigated wars
that resulted in even millions more deaths. In case you did not
know this, Nazi Germany had an effecient, but austere, financial
model. Wake up you stupid Neville Chamberlains - read some history
instead of People magazine for once!
\_ He hasn`t...yet. You know that Hitler didnt come with his
"Final Solution" until later in the war? I think _you_ should
read some history before blindly criticising.
\_ A.. go visit the Huntington Library and ask to see the original
Nuremberg files. I assure you they were written way before the
war started.
war started. From your spelling you obviously didn't grow up in
America. They say the reason why England is so far down is because
all the smart ones died in WWII. I guess you proof positive.
\_ Hitler wrote Mein Kampf long before he got power. His Final
Solution wasn't far from his original thinking. Your comparison
of Hitler to Bush is insulting to my race, nearly wiped off the
face of Europe by Hitler, and my relatives, who fought Hitler
and were willing to give their lives to see him defeated.
Sign your name, asshole. -- ilyas
\_ Maybe you need a new tin foil hat? I think THEY're getting to
you. I heard they increased their power output recently in an
attempt to override the older tin foil hat problem.
\_ The original quote was this: "Bush wants to distract attention
from his domestic problems. That's a popular method. Even
Hitler did that." Nobody ever called Bush a Hitler. This
minister merely pointed out that Bush was pulling an ages old
political trick. |
| 2002/9/11-12 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany] UID:25843 Activity:high |
9/11 http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/news/news-attack-anniversary-pope.html how stupid can a pope be? \_ Not as stupid as the shrub. -chialea \_ It's an easy thing to say when it wasn't the Vatican on the receiving end. Ya know, the same folks that caused more death, misery, wars, and suffering than any other single group on the planet in the world's entire history. They said they were sorry \_ the pope was shot and almost assasinated. He visited and forgave his shooter. \_ so? \_ "It's an easy thing to say when it wasn't the Vatican on the receiving end" \_ I think it's a close race with Stalin \_ I'll grant you on body count but the popes still have it on the multi-continent thing and total time/lost generations. \_ About how many did each of them kill? \_ Some say about 20m of his own people for Stalin. The figures for the popes/church are not available or as easily figured. For example, do you count the dozens of millions who died in South American at the hands of the conquistadores with the pope's OK? How many on each side died during the crusades? What effect on public health did the pope's anti-science stance have? One was a butcher of people, the other has murdered entire societies and delayed human advances by several centuries. \_ Stalin never condoned having sex with children \_ It's not the Catholic Church's fault. It was the will of the Great Spider. \_ I'm gonna miss "Family Guy." \_ Me too. However, that was a reference to South Park. \_ If you want to talk total deaths, Hitler beats them all. If you want to talk own people killed, probably Mao is #1. \_ Hitler? Justify. You can't blame Hitler directly for the WW2 military deaths since after all it was Britain and France who actually declared war first. This was after Poland and Stalin also invaded Poland. Since Stalin and Hitler both "caused" WW2 and Stalin killed ~20M in camps vs. Hitler's high ests. of 6M, Stalin takes the cake. \_ He declared war on the Soviet Union and troops acting under his orders killed 20M Russians. Add that to the 6M Jews and 4M or so other Eastern Europeans killed at his command and he takes the cake. for some of that stuff, now it's ok to take the moral high ground. Oh yeah, let's do it for the children. We need to make sure there's enough children around to molest. --stupid pope #1 fan \_ you should go to a GWAR concert. they kill the pope on stage by feeding him to a giant dinasaur. \_ What's the CSUA username/password at the NYtimes? :"For full access to our site, please complete this simple registration form. \_ csuamotd/csuamotd -geordan \_ Thanks. \_ So, why are you calling him stupid? \_ Troll. \_ and a fat one at that. Some people actually do believe in forgiveness and empathy and self examination... \_ Don't feed trolls. |
| 2002/8/20 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany] UID:25618 Activity:low |
8/20 motd nazi, who are you?
\_ If you can't keep proper track of the motd... It's pretty damned
easy to figure out who writes what and who censors what in near
real time. |
| 2002/6/12-13 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany] UID:25078 Activity:moderate |
6/11 Yemeni victims of racial profiling by Bush Nazi Brigade
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/06/11/attack/main511896.shtml
\_ Bad Troll. No cookie.
\_ I don't think it's a big stretch to think that many citizens
of Yemen are dedicated to destroying the US, what do you think?
\_ you would punish them all for the actions of a tiny few? |
| 2002/3/23-24 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany] UID:24210 Activity:nil |
3/23 Here's a big shocker, Swiss turned back Jewish refugees during WWII
sending thousands to their deaths in Nazi camps.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A5713-2002Mar22.html |
| 2002/2/23-24 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany, Politics/Foreign/Europe] UID:23958 Activity:insanely high |
2/22 Just curious, when the Olympics was held in Berlin back in the 30s
how many gold medals did Germans get?
\_ ya gotta love google...
Top winners G S B Total
1. Germany 33 26 30 89
2. USA 24 20 12 56
3. Italy 8 9 5 22
\_ wow those Nazis are really good... or not :)
\_ wow, taking performance enhancing drugs even then, eh?
\_ Keep in mind, that Germany before WW2 was the techincally
most advanced nation in the world. Nazi party managed to
pull Germany out of depression which lasted 10 years.
Too bad, among other things, Hitler never been to Asia
at the time, otherwise, he probably will not complain about
lack of "living space" for the German people.
\_ Max Schmeling and Jesse Owens would tell you otherwise. -John
\_ Nah, Germany was really advanced pre-WWI. By pre-WWII,
it has slipped a little relatively speaking. Also,
Germany is crowded even by Asian standards.
\_ Hitler not complain about bad engrish on motd not either!
\_ Why does UK suck so bad in the Olympics relative to the
other European nations?
\_ because their wide success in rock music has encouraged
more youth to pick up music as opposed to sports.
\_ They don't have mountains. -tom
\_ they have bad teeth
\_ All the males died in WW I / II, leaving mostly
effeminate noncombatants to repopulate. Plus they are
socialists and their societies are dying, literally.
\_ But UK is less socialist than Sweden and Norway!
\_ Sweden and Norway don't have zillions of foreigners on
welfare swamping their shores.
\_ Is it "dying", too?
\_ yeah that's it - blame the foreigners.
\_ Blame goes where it belongs. shrug.
\_ Canada is just as socialist, has just as many
foreigners, and still did well at the Olympics.
Your explanation is stupid. I like Tom's
explanation better. But then UK also kind of
sucks at Summer Olympics. The rock music
explanation ain't bad either.
\_ Hey genius, the topic moved beyond medal count.
Try again.
\_ Why do you insist on trying to explain
your stupidity. I suggest the best way
for you to cover it up is to delete
this thread in its entirety.
\_ No one was explaining anything. You were
being corrected. So this makes two times you
needed correcting on the same thread. You
stick around, son, you'll get it one day. I
suggest a basic reading comprehension course
at a local community college for a good start.
\_ The only time the topic changed was when
it shifted from medal count to how stupid
you are.
\_ Maybe you're not ready for community
college basic reading comp. courses. |
| 2002/2/6-7 [Reference/History/WW2/Japan, Reference/History/WW2/Germany] UID:23793 Activity:low |
2/6 International reaction to Bush's Axis of Evil declaration was swift,
as within minutes, France surrendered.
http://www.satirewire.com/news/jan02/axis.shtml |
| 2001/12/5 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany] UID:23153 Activity:insanely high |
12/5 Should Osama bin Laden be a candidate for Time magazine's Man of the
Year?
\_ Of course.
\_ I agree wholeheartedly.
\_ he is not a man though, but a coward. Only men should be nominated
\_ Yes, because Time Magazine states that Man of the Year is for the
person that influenced, either good or bad, the world the most
during that year. So that title doesn't necessarily honor someone.
At least that's the Magazine's intent. --- yuen
\_ You know it won't happen, since if it did, the mag would lose
all this $ from cancelled subscriptions and boycotts. Anyways,
he shouldn't.
\_ Why shouldn't he?
\_ Because even though Time says this isn't intended as an
honor it is seen as one anyway. If it wasn't seen as one,
there'd be no controversy.
\_ Hitler and Stalin have been men of the year.
\_ Yes, and? So what? So was the Iyatollah(sp?).
\_ So what? So, moral qualifications have nothing
to do with being named Man of The Year, just
being influential on world events.
\_ You missed the part where only Time thinks
being named Man of the Year isn't an honor.
The rest of the planet thinks it is, therefore
it is and naming a scumbag like Bin Laden *is*
honoring him and it shouldn't be so. Why is
this so hard to understand? Time is just
disingenuous and intentionally controversial
as a PR stunt.
\_ They named Hitler before he killed all the Jewish
people. They named Stalin at the end of WW2.
\_ No, they named Stalin twice, once in 39 and
once in 42.
\_ So you meant Hitler was a "good guy" before the
holocaust?
\_ Do you have a problem? Disheveled Historians
in 1938 could say Hitler was a Historical
Figure for creating a military machine, but
to name him after WW2 is something els.
\_ I see. Thx.
\_ Actually, I could see the Time staff selecting Osama, if he
turns up dead pretty soon.
\_ They should create a category. One for evil men of the year, and
the other one for the good men of the year. Superman, Batman,
and Spiderman should be included.
\_ Man of the Year should be our hero and savior, our great president
George W. Bush.
\_ Just like his dad, who was named "Men of the Year"
\_ Wasn't his dad named "Two faced Man of the Year" or somesuch?
\_ It'll be Rudy before GW.
\_what the hell did Rudy do? Speak bravely while living w/2fags
\_ Ok you hate GWB. Whatever. You're a Berkeley student, so I
guess you're supposed to be sarcastic and bitter in a futile
attempt at cleverness, humor, and political acumen. That's
nice of you to share. Sophomore or immature junior?
\_ my guess is alumni |
| 2001/11/12 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany, Politics/Foreign/Europe] UID:23013 Activity:nil |
11/12 In Saving Private Ryan there is this skinny tri-lingual guy who is
always afraid of combat. Toward the end of the movie he walks
up the stairway and meets this German guy. How come the German guy
didn't kill him? Also what did he say to the Germans, and why did
he shoot only one guy?
\_Why is Darth Luke's father? Why is Barney pink? Who cares? |
| 2001/10/10 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany] UID:22676 Activity:very high |
10/9 Russians going to be in Kabul first.
\_ You musn't underestimate Russian blundering. I was with them
when they blundered into Berlin in 1945.
\_ yes, like the americans are gonna lead the way
\_ They were already there in 1980. A lot of good it did them.
\_ Were the Russians or the Americans in Berlin first during WWII?
\_ MAN what do they teach in history these days? The Russians.
Ike is said to want to give them the honor though the Allies
could have been there first if they wanted.
\_ I forgot most of my HS history already. All I remember is
from the General Patten movie where Patten said he wanted to
\_ Patton, even.
beat the Russians in entering Berlin. But I forgot who
entered Berlin first in the movie.
\_ Patton's view on the Germans and the Soviets:
<DEAD>www.jeffsarchive.com/Jews%20and%20Communism/General%20Patton's%20Warning.html<DEAD>
The past half century could've been a better time if he
were allowed to go after the Soviets.
\_ Patton lost. The Ruskies got to the Nazi bitches first.
\_ Patton was a racist and anti-Semite and despised
by his men and by Eisenhower.
\_ that's why he was so effective and great |
| 2001/9/18-19 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany, Health/Men] UID:22515 Activity:high |
9/18 Here is something one can do to prevent and combat future terrorist
threats:
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=24529
\_ Wu Shu is good for everyone.
\_ A link to Patton's speech from that page:
http://www.geoffmetcalf.com/patton_20010914.html
Patton was already using terms like "He Man" and "superman". I
thought those were first created as comic characters after WWII.
\_ "superman" was a 19th century idea. See Nietzsche, Wagner,
Shaw, et al. |
| 2001/9/12 [Politics/Domestic/911, Reference/History/WW2/Germany] UID:36274 Activity:nil |
9/12 Oliver Stone time. There is evidence that FDR was informed about
a possible attack on Pearl Harbor and didn't do anything because
he wanted the US to get involved in WWII. There is also evidence
that the USS Greer was depth charging a german u boat under orders
from Wilson and the Sec. Nav etc when it was attacked leading us
into WWI. Is it possible that Bush knew and didn't do anything
so that we could get involved in another war?
Also consider the recovered "evidence" in Boston. That is such
a setup, but by whom? The feds (fbi,cia), the administration,
or the real terrorists trying to throw the investigators of
the trail?
\_ You are giving them too much credit.
\_ The CIA did it to boost their budget.
\_ Maybe so:
http://www.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/europe/09/12/janes.underfunding/index.html |
| 2001/9/12 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany, Reference/Religion] UID:22405 Activity:high |
9/12 These people need to die:
<DEAD>sg.news.yahoo.com/010911/1/1fkyw.html<DEAD>
\_ Agreed.
\_ ...Rocket-Propelled Grenades!?!??? "Please fire straight up"
\_ I think it is worthwhile to consider that the Palestinians
live in a situation where the Israelis use guns against people
armed with rocks , etc. Several palestinians have died from
what many would call oppression. Isreal is supported financially
by the US and its not peanuts. For the US to experience needless
violence some could consider justified. I think anyone that is using
violence is awrong. Just something to consider before calling for
the death of people you don't know. - a swede (yeah, one of those
neutral f----rs).
\_ Rock throwers are the ones they put in view of the CNN cameras.
They don't put the armed assassins and carbombers on CNN. The
palestinians aren't human they have lost the right to be treated
and considered as such because of this. I say we wipe them out,
all of them.
\_ Funny, I think Hitler used the same thinking. How quickly
people forget their history. - the swede
\_ the diference being that the jews of the time werent
using weapons to attack people. The palestinians are.
\_ The jews in germany did not chear in the streets when
\_ The jews in germany did not cheer in the streets when
germans civilians die during fire bombings. They were
human beings, those things in palestine are not.
\_ First of all, how the f do you know what every jew
did during those times? Keep in mind, only those
palestinians that are stupid enough to celebrate
the loss of lives are reported on TV. We have the
same kind of morons here in the US walking around
in white sheets celebrating bombings of african
american churches in the US.
\_ Granted some Palestinians may not have been
involved in the celebration, but they are
clearly in the minority throughout the arab
world:
http://asia.dailynews.yahoo.com/headlines/world/afp/article.html?s=asia/headlines/010912/world/afp/_Bullseye___say_Egyptians_as_they_celebrate_anti-US_attacks.html
\_ Second of all, who are you to decide who is human?
It is frightening to think that you are using the
same justifications as were used in WWII to kill
jews, gays, handikapped, gypsies, ...
You and your attide revolt me. I can only hope it is
youth talking. - the swede
\_ It is people with your attitude that sit idly
by while the muslim menace destroys all that is
good in this world. There were people like you
in my country once. When the muslims came and
sacked our temples and homes and murdered our
families these people said, give them room.
We gave them room. They murdered our relatives
and sent their corpses over in trains. They
laughed in the streets, and people like you
said understand them, accept them, its not
thier fault its our fault we must make more
room. We did. It hasn't worked. The time for
inaction and diplomacy is past, the time for
action is now.
------------------/
\_ First of all let me thank you for at least putting your
statements into context. This makes it easier to understand
where you come from.
Let me make it clear that I am not advocating "sitting idly by."
This kind of acts have to be dealt with and most likely force
will be necessary. What I am objecting to is the use of _blind_
rage. You have painted all muslims alike. You are advocating
the killing of innocent people when you call for the death of
celebrating palestinians. Their behavior is as abhorrent as
yours. But all it is, are words, for them and hopefully for you
as well. It may sound like BS but the _right_ people has to be
found and should be punished. Killing the wrong people will just
justify another terrorist attack in the mind of some misguided
suicide bomber/hijacker/whatever.
I hope I can get you to agree that the action that is needed
today has to be deliberate and just. Or, would you rather
that we kill innocent people just so we can say we had revenge?
- the swede |
| 2001/9/12 [Reference/History/WW2/Japan, Reference/History/WW2/Germany] UID:22400 Activity:high |
9/12 Recall that WWI was a powder keg which exploded when a terrorist
assasinnated the archduke of Serbia. Of course, after millions
of people had died. We then set in motion another series of events
which caused WW2, where HUNDREDS of MILLIONS of people died.
Surely, we need a response, but we can't let it explode into all
out war. Are you willing to die to get revenge? Are millions of
lives worth the revenge? Just try to stay calm and think carefully.
VERY CAREFULLY.
\_ No one will interfere with the US. Pretty much all nations that
matter said "this should not go unanswered." No one will stop the
US as they plow through the middle east taking out terrorist
nests with guided rockets and bombs.
\_ The reason nobody attacks the US like this is the general belief
that if they did, the US would completely fucking obliterate them.
Therefore, we must now do so, or our threat is void and further
attacks will come without fear.
\_ bullshit. you think you are powerful enough to matter? this whole
affair started when that fucker went to the temple mound...escalated
this shit around, then last week fucking afghani cut off all contact
wtiht the world.. you think you're "Jack Ryan"... you're a special
enough person to affect the machinations set into action a year ago
by a dead man? puh lease. You'll go along for the ride like the rest
of us, silly sheep.
\_ The reason nobody attacks the US like this is the general belief
that if they did, the US would completely fucking obliterate them.
Therefore, we must now do so, or our threat is void and further
attacks will come without fear.
\_ bullshit. you think you are powerful enough to matter? this
whole affair started when that fucker went to the temple mound...
escalated this shit around, then last week fucking afghani cut
off all contact with the world.. you think you're "Jack Ryan"...
you're a special enough person to affect the machinations set into
action a year ago by a dead man? puh lease. You'll go along for
the ride like the rest of us, silly sheep.
\_ I think the terrorist was Serbian; the archduke was Ferdinand (a
Hapsburg), from Austria.
\_ Austrian-Hungarian empire.
\_ Neville Chamberlain's Ghost? Casualties, in the 10's not 100's
\_ Neville Chamberlain's Ghost? Casulties, in the 10's not 100's
of millions, were predominantly borne by Russia (25 million)
and Germany. You might take your own advice and consider
the efficacy of appeasment and concession in the days leading
to WW II. Freedom without sacrifice is meaningless.
\_ Well, obviously by WW2 it was too late.
\_ Japan and China had comparable casualty figures.
\_ I disagree. I think Great Britain declared war at just the
right time - when Germany invaded Poland.
\_ I think the terrorist was Serbian, the archduke was a Hapsburg, from
Austria.
to WW II.
\_ 100 million is not overblown. Including both military and
civilian casualties, 79 million in the European theatre
alone. |
| 2001/7/16 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany, Computer/Theory] UID:21806 Activity:nil |
7/16 I'm new to CSUA. Can somebody tell me who the following people are
(one sentence per user please thanks):
tjb- trevor j. buckingham. controversial republican that complains
about being oppressed and spouts lots of harsh remarks on newsgroups.
smokes a lot of pot and is into turntablism.
paolo- ???
tom- grouchy bike Nazi
kchang- ???
nweaver- (what is "I partied with nweaver?")
ilyas- russian guy who talks about physics and "AI" and "hard"
theoretical problems.
ali- arrogant Irani who knows C++ well. but no one cares. |
| 2001/5/10 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany] UID:21220 Activity:very high |
5/9 Congratulations on the fifty sixth anniversary of the great victory
of the Soviet people over the german aggressors.
\_ soviet who?
\_ what battle was this? -ig'nant
\_ This was the Great Patriotic War, also known as World War 2.
\_ Little Troll, in order to attract attention you must stick with
topics people think they know something about or have an opinion
on. Your implying that the Soviets did all the work in WWII to
put down the Nazis, that the Allies weren't even there and further
that the Soviets were some sort of innocent victims headed by that
benevolent butcher Stalin is wasted on the ignorant masses on the
motd. Those of us who know what you're talking about know better.
You can't rewrite history like this. Maybe you could get someone
upset for about 3 seconds if you denied the holocaust. 3 seconds.
\_ I beg to differ. Judging by the responses below, that was
a hell of a troll.
\_ There's a difference between getting hyped up about it which
was the intent of the troll and educating him. I seriously
doubt he wanted lessons on WWII from half the motd authors.
\_ Ah, but I am not rewriting history at all. The point is,
Russia does celebrate May 9th as V-day. And it does so happen
that it was Russia that broke Wehrmacht's back, and took Berlin
(at a great loss of life too, 20 million was a state figure, it
was more like 50 million). Now, I certainly don't think Stalin
was benevolent by any stretch of imagination, but the russians
did win, bad leadership or no. And I give credit where credit
is due. Now, what did Americans do during the war besides
providing attrition for the U-boat torpedo bays with their endless
supply of trading vessels?
\_ Uh, Americans took Normady, Sicily, North Africa and
the retook the philipines and most of south asia.
As I recall, American and Russian forces entered Berlin
on the same day.
\_ Americans took Sicily from Italians who knew very little
about war (incidentally Italians and Romanians were the
rear units of the Army Group assigned to take
Stalingrad, they were easily overrun and destroyed by
the Russians, completing the encirclement.) The Allies
didn't take North Africa from the Axis for as long as
Rommel was there, kicking ass and taking names.
\_ Rommel got his ass kicked in N.Africa. Try again.
Americans did take Normandy with some loss of life, and
I admit it to have been a gutsy move on their part. My
point is, all these operations were minor at best, and
had no tangible influence on the outcome of the War that
was essentially fought on the Russian steppes.
\_ It's your point, yes, but it's also complete
nonsense.
\_ There's a reason it was called an "alliance". Without the
Americans (and British, Canadians, etc, etc) pulling forces
away from the east, the Russians would have been lucky to lose
only 50 million and it would've been a miracle if they didn't
get totally crushed even under the weak military leadership
Hitler provided. That the Russians have a holiday for
something hardly makes it a historical fact that they single
handedly defeated the Nazis while the West watched from the
sidelines. Your last line about uboats is historically
inaccurate and your entire revisionist line is a reinvention
of reality. At least this time you tried to provide some
facts even though your baiting was still based on a flawed
understanding of history. Read a book not published by the
producers of the People's Daily World some day. For true
trolling you would have posted more numbers without any
citation and taken them as gospel. You're getting better but
still need some work. I'm changing your D- to a B-.
\_ Troll schools are hard up for teachers, aren't they?
Check http://uboat.net for the gory details of the U-boat war
that american propaganda does not talk about. Germans
measured U-boat success in thousands of tons of shipping
sunk. As in 80 this month, 200 that month. Do you realize
how much that is? As for the West 'helping' the only real
help they provided to russia was very limited material
assistance via Archangelsk (which they could certainly
have done without). By the time the Allies joined the
war in 1944, it was already won, the russians were chasing
germans across eastern europe back into Berlin.
\_ Yeah, the Russians did the most fighting, but even
before normandy, the other allies absorbed some
German forces in north africa, the balkans, battle of
britain, bombing of Germany, etc.
\_ True enough, Rommel and his Afrika Corp was kept
somewhat occupied trouncing British forces (which
outnumbered him and had far more supplies). The
poster I was replying to, though, was claiming that
without Allies Russia would have likely lost, which
is ridiculous. America deliberately sat on the
sidelines to let Russia and Germany bleed each other.
This is a fine political strategy, but please don't
have the gall to claim some sort of value or military
worth for America's participation in WWII.
\_ Rommel got pounded in North Africa. He wasn't
"kept somewhat occupied".
\_ well, you have to admit that russia got its ass
kicked hard up until stalingrad. the germans
failed at stalingrad partly due to factors caused
by having to deal with the other allies on the
other fronts, and having their airforce wiped out,
and being bombed to hell by massive fleets of
US bombers. if the germans had been able to bring
the full blitzkrieg on early enough, with full
support, it's doubtful the russians would have
made it through that winter.
\_ Russia did get its ass kicked hard. But the
victory at Stalingrad was entirely Russia's.
The bombing that early in the war had no
appreciable effect, Britain's Bomber command
was taking it's heaviest losses at that time.
The real reason Russia won Stalingrad was
Hitler's stupid insistence on taking the city
(as it was symbolic, being named after his
adversary), as well Russia's first use of
sophisticated pincer tactics in delaying the
bulk of German forces in Stalingrad's rubble,
while using fresh divisions to surround, break
up, and finally destroy Paulus' forces.
\_ Russia hardly invented pincer tactics. The
Romans were flanking their enemies 2000+
years earlier. Good try.
\_ You didn't parse my sentence correctly.
I didn't claim Russia invented pincer
tactics, merely that Stalingrad was the
first time Russia used such tactics.
\_ I agree. I have a lot of respect for the Russian
tenacity in breaking the Wehrmacht. I agree that
Russia would likely be able to defeat Hitler
even without the western front being opened, as
can be seen from Stalingrad and Kursk. However,
US and Britain did make the job much easier and
less costly with the landing at Normandy and
subsequent actions. US involvement also prevented
western Europe from becoming Soviet's protectorates.
Also, we must remember that WWII started when
Hitler and Stalin decided to divide up Poland.
Finally, US did help win the War in Asia.
\_ Russia probably could have helped herself a lot more by not
signing a treaty with the Nazis in 1939, dividing Poland between
the two of them, and sitting on their collective asses while
Western Europe was overrun in the blitzkrieg.
\_ Wouldn't have worked. Even before his rise to power
Hitler felt that russia could not be trusted and
would need to have been eliminated.
\_ General Patten (sp?) felt the same.
\_ well, then they probably wouldn't have ended up annexing
said half of poland, and east prussia. i bet stalin didn't
really give a shit about the tens of millions of lost lives.
strategically, the war was quite good for russia and made
them a superpower.
\_ Um, isn't (s)he talking about some specific event, like that
time when they led the Germans in really deep over the cracking
ice so they all froze and drowned?
\_ Dude, that event is Alexander Nevsky's victory over the
mute Germans. That happened like in the 14th cent. or sth.
\_ Hmm, this sounds like how they defeated the French army
under Napoloen.
\_ A little known meteorological fact: The worst winters in
Russian history were in the years 1812, and 1943.
\_ How lucky the Russians were!
\_ "Lucky."
\_ It's not that the Russians were lucky, it's
just that evil people like Napoleon and Hitler
were unlucky. Napoleon's real bad luck was that
he fought a Britain that just started undergoing
the industrial revolution. |
| 2000/11/6-7 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany] UID:19650 Activity:very high |
11/6 Think about it.
\ why?
\_ why not?
\_ why ask why?
\_ why ask why ask why?
\_ Where's the Beef? Where's the Beef?
\_ I'd rather vote for Bush.
\_ see archives about being kicked in the nuts.
\_ We have archives? Where?
\_ /tmp/nut-kicking-for-goodness.txt
\_ damn you censoring nazi bastards
\_ let me guess, you're a Feinstein supporter |
| 2000/3/29 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany, Computer/Theory] UID:17882 Activity:nil |
3/27 fibonacci sucks big dick
\_ I wish. but mine wont fit
\_ You wish a guy suck your dick?
\_ You writing your grammar wish good?
\_ Why not? Who cares who does it? Lips & tounge are
lips & tounge.
\_ Sigh.
\_ Ahhh.
\_ formatting hard so Is? I all I'll start purging think
content-free that comments formatted poorly are.
--formatting nazi
\_ Do it. Blow 'em away!
\_ what the fuck is a tounge?
\_ An extremely clever anagram. -pld |
| 2000/3/2-3 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany] UID:17680 Activity:nil |
3/2 If Gen. Pinhead were a Nazi war criminal, the Brits would have
handed him over to the Spaniards like pit bull with rabies
programming in Visual Basic. -mtbb
\_ I think we should wait at Can for his plane to pass and...
Fire! *SMACK!* What happened? Oh my, he just vanished!
F0->All Gen. Pinochet: use the Buddy System. ---> BB-7 <--- |
| 1999/4/27 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany] UID:15709 Activity:high |
4/27 Is the media under some sort of self-imposed censorship with regard
to the Littleton killer's parents? I have yet to see any pictures
of the parents of the two gunmen. I think the public has a right
to see what kind of parents let their children build pipebombs in
their garage and espouse Nazi views.
\_ I have the right to know what parents let their kids be
part of the industrial meat production industry. |
| 1999/4/1-2 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany, Politics/Foreign/Europe] UID:15680 Activity:kinda low 50%like:15676 |
3/31 I am interested in learning german. does anyone know of any cheap
\_ hook up with a German guy/gal !
\_ "Hi! You look Germanic and if you're a native fluent
speaker who yearns to teach an eager younger computer
scientist your father tongue and an active interest in
getting laid on the side, I'd like to take you out! How
about it? Next Thursday around 2am in the WEB?"
\_ if you get more responses than you can handle, please
let me know . . . I'd like to learn German too!
\_ ah yes, the ins and outs of adult german...
classes in the east bay or elsewhere for basic german? adult
schools, jc, etc... |
| 1999/3/31-4/4 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany, Politics/Foreign/Europe] UID:15676 Activity:high 50%like:15680 |
3/31 I am interested in learning german. does anyone know of any cheap
\_ hook up with a German guy/gal !
classes in the east bay or elsewhere for basic german? adult
schools, jc, etc...
\_ hook up with a German guy/gal !
\_ "Hi! You look Germanic and if you're a native fluent
speaker who yearns to teach an eager younger computer
scientist your father tongue and an active interest in
getting laid on the side, I'd like to take you out! How
about it? Next Thursday around 2am in the WEB?"
\_ if you get more responses than you can handle, please
let me know . . . I'd like to learn German too!
\_ ah yes, the ins and outs of adult german...
\_ Learn from me, you can lose 20lbs in one week!!!!
\_ JA! DAS VON INK DER UP HOPKERDINGEN! IST GUT SCHNITZEL!
Dude, why would you want to speak German. It's a horrible
language. In fact, it's not a language, it's a throat disease.
Trust me, I'm a native speaker. When you argue with a German
about this, they'll inevitably try to convince you of how
beautiful and elegant it is by pointing to the same three
or four books over and over again. It's ponderous, ugly-
sounding, and overly complex. Learn a nice language, or
something useful, like Spanish or French or even Italian.
Maybe something cool like Russian or Chinese or Japanese. But
don't put yourself through this trouble; German is awful, with
the culture to go with it. Aside from that, I'd be glad to
help out with anything. -John
\_ I love to sodomize you in the WEB at 2am, John.
- owner of http://www.mybigdick.com
\_ Will you meet me in the WEB at 2am with some sex on the side?
\_ you oldtimers are showing your age. there has been no WEB
for the last 4 years or so.
\- What happened to the WEB???
\_ They filled it with Macs and turned the
OCF end into a Calculus-on-Computers lab
for Math 1a/b.
\_ I love John. He's the bomb. But I also love German. Es macht
kuhl. Ja, stimmt Beavis! Feuer! Feuer! -space nazi
\_ They're dubbing South Park into Kraut. -John
\_ What about Rilke, dude?
\_ Rainer Maria Rilke is about the epitome of
hitleriffically funny, light-hearted teutonic
literature. And no, you CAN'T sodomize me in the WEB,
I'm immune to such things. I kicked Roy out of pure
excitement while netsex-h0zing as a freshman at 2am;
he was sleeping under the table, and I thought he
was a backpack. You can't touch me. Nyah. -John |
| 1998/12/30 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany, Politics/Foreign/Europe] UID:15149 Activity:nil |
12/28 Sorry for the length of the URL. This is what it is. Anyway,
"German kills pitbull with his bare hands". Don't mess with those
German dudes....
http://www.yahoo.com.sg/headlines/291298/entertainment/914867160-1228184645.entertainment.html |
| 1998/10/15-16 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany, Politics/Domestic/Crime] UID:14775 Activity:high |
10/14 Candlelight Vigil for that gay guy who was beaten to death in WI
Tonight at 8:00pm on upper sproul
\_ got what he deserved... gonna stay home and watch TV.
\_ I'll feed the troll. Here goes:
He deserved to be bound naked to a barbed wire fence,
beaten to the edge of death and left there all night in
the freezing cold? (Their nights are a fuck load colder
than ours, btw). He did exactly what to deserve this?
Ooooh yeah... He was born different from you.
\_ grow up for once
\_ grow up dude -- 2nd party
\_ Some trolls really hit home, you know. -- 3rd party
\_ Damn, if you aren't the dumbest mother fucker soda
has seen in a long time. Obvious to everyone but
you, the 2nd party was showing how ridiculous the
troll was. If you're going to troll, do it right.
-- 4th party
\_ well, i personally don't know much about gay
politics nor do i really care but if you think
stripping another person and brutally murdering
them is in any way funny then you must be one
real sicko. i hate my math prof but i don't
think it would be funny if i saw their carcass
on a fece.
\_ what if I don't strip them first? Is that ok?
\_ no it's not ok, and it isn't even as funny.
\_ Whenever you commit murder, it's not ok.
\_ it's not murder. it's self-defense.
gonna wipe out the virus breeders.
\_ but my pappy said killing gays isn't
murder, it's "Cleansing the earth"
\_ that's what Hitler said about
the jews...and we all know how
great of a roll model he is.
\_ Okay, discussion over.
Discussion ends when someone is
compared to Hitler.
\_ Hitler made a great start
but he shoulda realized that just
like roaches, you caint git rid
of all dem jew vermin.
\_ Please cleanse your pappy from
the earth for us.
\_ are you some sort of faggot-lover?
Time to kick some FOB Asian ass again. _/
\_ WI is Wisconsin. WY is Wyoming.
\_ Thanks for some elementary education. |
| 1998/5/12-13 [Transportation/Car, Reference/History/WW2/Germany] UID:14088 Activity:high |
5/11 Ve haff high-speed, high-tech, high-gloss Autobahn you peon.
Learn to build roads, Amerikaner Schweinehund pig dogs. -John
\_ But your roads were built by Hitler's minions to move tanks
around the country.
\_ It is (or should be) quite well-known that our Interstate
Highways were built in order to help keep the nation "safe"
from nuclear attack... -brg
\_ and Eisenhower built ours to have 1 out of every 5
miles of freeway straight enough to serve as emergency air
strips in times of invasion.
\_ I like Ike!
\_ Yes, and your point was?
\_ That Eisenhower was JUST LIKE HITLER! (Except without
hair or a mustache.)
\_ Except for genocidal take-over-the-world insanity
and a long list of other "negative personality
traits" Hitler had and Ike didn't.
\_ don't think a M1 Abrams would have too much trouble on any of
the local freeways. Figure that even gridlock on these roads
wouldn't slow 'em down too much.
\_ But your roads were built by Hitler's minions to move tanks
around the country.
\_ It is (or should be) quite well-known that our Interstate
Highways were built in order to help keep the nation "safe"
from nuclear attack... -brg
\_ and Eisenhower built ours to have 1 out of every 5
miles of freeway straight enough to serve as emergency air
strips in times of invasion.
\_ I like Ike!
\_ Yes, and your point was?
\_ That Eisenhower was JUST LIKE HITLER! (Except without
hair or a mustache.)
\_ Except for genocidal take-over-the-world insanity
and a long list of other "negative personality
traits" Hitler had and Ike didn't.
\_ That's what you think, and that's what the
"approved" historians would like you to believe
about Ike. It's amazing what psychotherapy, a
clique of determined kingmakers, and a
sheeplike, willing-to-stay-quiet media can
accomplish . . .
\_ You're claiming that Ike had genocidal plans
or that Hitler didn't? Seek help either way.
\_ If Hitler had won, in several hundred years,
what would historians have said, since history
is written by the victors? Would the millions
who perished magically disappear?
\_ something like "Lots of criminals
were rooted out and executed ..."
\_ Wouldn't the cars tend to get in the way?
\_ But we have CHEAP GAS, GUNS, and COUNTRY MUSIC!!!
GOD BLESS the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!!!!! USA #1!!!!!! |
| 1998/2/14 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany] UID:13667 Activity:moderate |
2/13 I don't understand the new b/w Sun commercial where people fight about
different languages, and at the end, you see this Hitler-like face. Is
that suppose to represent Bill G., or represent that languages should
be unified just like the way Germany was? Again, I don't understand the
Sun commercial. It's too sophisticated for the average American Joe like
me.
\_ ein internet, ein sprache, ein fuhrer |
| 11/23 |