3/14    Some new report say that the damage to ports in Santa Cruz by the
        tsunami waves amount to $20M.  I don't know much about recreational
        sailing, but why would docks for leisure sailing, built by bundling
        lots of wood logs together, cost $20M?  It might be a lot of wood logs,
        but $20M sounds way too much.
        \_ so Santa Cruz wants a bailout.  I guess they feel entitled.
           \_ Santa Cruz brings so much to the nation!
              \_ I think everyone in CA should get a bailout, just for being
                 awesome!
        \_ over inflated valuation.
        \_ yawn santa cruz yawn.
           \_ dude where can i score a dimebag

5/1     Drill Baby Drill!
        \_ Which porn movie is this?
           \_ It has Tina Fey and a furry in a Polar Bear costume.
              \_ I see.  Must be this one then:
                 http://www.threadpit.com/store/watermark/drill_baby_drill.gif

9/6     http://www.pickensplan.com
        Drill drill drill! But I also believe in alternative energy.

2/5     Can someone install Elm? Thanks!

9/4     Help! Tar spilled all over, what's the best way to clean up?
        \_ http://www.hintsandthings.co.uk/utilityroom/stain%20removal%20tw.htm
        \_ http://www.wisegeek.com/how-do-i-remove-stains-from-clothing.htm
           http://www.ehow.com/tips_877.html
        \_ Turpentine.  Careful, it'll strip paint too.  -John
           \_ Can I buy this at Home Depot? I looked on their web site and
              they don't have it. However, they do have paint thinners. Are
              they the same?
              \_ Paint thinner is general a cheaper substitute for
                 turpentine (which is organic -- turpentine is just the
                 generic name of the substance.)  I don't know what you're
                 trying to do, but I'd ask to see if they have something
                 that won't harm whatever you're trying to remove the
                 tar from.  If it's real tar, you just want something
                 that is a solvent for mineral oil.  -John
                 \_ I took apart my door panel to fix the rattle and had to
                    take out the plastic covering with sticky black tar
                    and it got all over the upholstery and I can't get it
                    out. I'm sure it's tar. I'll give paint thinner a try,
                    thanks so much!
                    \_ Might want to consider getting it cleaned.  $$, but
                       you'll have someone to yell at...  -John
        \_ This might help: http://csua.org/u/gu1

6/4     Dam beavers
        http://www-personal.umich.edu/~bbowman/birds/humor/beavers.html
        \_ An actual letter, it turns out:
           http://www.snopes.com/humor/letters/dammed.htm

2/6     I love wood work, I love building my own things. In HS I was the
        best student in wood shop. When I was in college I got a nice 18V
        Makita drill/screw driver set... best investment ever. Later in my
        life I bought a jig saw to speed up cutting, and I bought a nice
        variable speed Ryobi. Later on when I needed to cut straight edges
        precisely and quickly, I bought a circular saw. I also bought a nice
        Makita hand sander, which is heavily utilized. Now I'm at a
        point where I need a router but I'm not sure if it's actually worth
        the investment. The reason is that routers are actually quite
        expensive and I only need it occasionally to round off edges of
        wood pieces but beyond that it'll not be heavily utilized the way
        drills/sanders/saws are utilized. Any advice? Ideally I'd like
        to have an easy/any-time access to a wood shop, with a nice
        stationary drill, table saw, and other goodies. Either that, or
        I can start building one in my garage which will cost a lot, and
        take up too much space. So... router? or wood shop?
        \_ You can do a lot with a good router.  See the show
           "the router workshop" where they make pretty much everything with
           just routers.
        \_ My advice is: stop saying "utilized" instead of "used".  It doesn't
           make you sound smart.
           \_ And stop saying "investment" when you're buying the tools for
              your toys projects.
        \_ If you're in the south bay, there's one place that was mentioned
           in the sjmerc of a warehouse that some guy had converted into a
           walk-in woodshop.  If you only need certain expensive things
           occasionally, it might be more cost efficient to go there.  I think
           Home Depot also rents tools like these.
        \_ Both Berkeley and Oakland have tool lending libraries.  -tom
        \_ In the long run, if you want to take the time to really learn
           how to use the router, it will be worth it.  You probably won't
           use it as much as, say, your drills or circular saw, but it'll save
           you a lot of time when you do need to use it.  Like having a drill
           press versus handhelds.
           In the short term, tool lending libraries.

2/5     Has anyone resurfaced their furnitures using wood veneer? I'm trying
        to match the color of my old desk with my new book shelves and I'm
        wondering how easy it is to use those self adhesive wood veneers. I'm
        also wondering if it's flexible enough to go around the edges of the
        desk. At $80 for a sheet of 2'x8' veneer sheet, it's quite an
        investment. Any advice would be greatly appreciated, thanks.
        \_ If you want it to look good, hire a professional. Also, you
           may be better off sanding and restaining depending on your
           situation.

5/14    Buy a "dinosaur" pine:
        http://www.treehugger.com/files/2005/05/wip_wollemi_pin.php
        http://www.wollemipine.com

3/9     What are most modern walls, specifically ceilings, built
        from? Is it sheet rock? I'm wondering because I have to hang
        a light fixture (~10 lbs) from my ceiling, and it looks like
        I have to drill into it.
        \_ Yes, sheetrock since the 1950s or so.
        \_ Ummm... Almost certainly sheetrock.  Don't hang a light fixture
           from sheet rock, find a stud.
           \_ God, the term is DRY WALL.  "Sheetrock" is an irritating brand
              name made into a neologism, like "Xerox."
              \_ Hey, could you Xerox this for me?  Thanks
                 \_ sure, I'll just go to my local LDS church and xerox it
                    FOR FREE because they're so rich.
              \_ You need a Kleenex for all your crying.
        \_ Ceiling might be asbestos.  Is it "cottage cheese" style?  You
           DON'T want to drill into that.
           \_ SODOMIZE ASPOLITO!!!
        \_ Doesn't asbsestos cause cancer?
              \_ Wipe your tears with a Kleenex, pussy boy.

1/27    How safe is it to open spam in pine? Will spammers somehow know I've
        been reading the messages?
        \_ Safe. No, not unless you view the URL, which launches Lynx.
        \_ You are using pine?!? By now, the k1dd35 have your ssn and
           are opening high limit cc's in your name.

1/13    I just bought an piece of unfinished wood furniture (night
        stand). It's plywood-like, and I'd like to finish it myself
        by having it painted flat black like the rest of my furniture.
        I haven't done this stuff in awhile, so what should I do to
        finish it properly? I know it'll involve sanding (multiple times?)
        and then painting it. Should I use a primer too? If anyone
        can give me details on any of these steps, I'd appreciate it.
        Thanks.
        \_ Sand it lightly just to set up the surface, then clean off any
           sawdust.  You shouldn't need primer.  You probably want 3 coats
           of paint, with a light sanding between each if you want to get
           pedantic about it.  -tom
        \_ plywood has too many holes, use a primer then paint
        \_ The paint you're going to use should have instructions for different
           types of wood.  Read them.

9/10    Someone reboot soda, "no more process"??? wtf?
        \_ Somebody's imapd spun out of control.  all fixed.  btw, there's
           no reason other than an updated kernel to reboot soda.
           \_ What if there's a runaway process like this?
              main() { while(1) fork(); }
              \_ Then squishy-squishy goes you!
        \_ what does it mean? why do I get this?
           \_ it means too much politics. troll less.
        \_ So now my pine mailbox is inaccessible because i can't
            kill the old running pine.  I can't even seem to kill the old
            pine job. Any ideas? Tx.
            \_ Kill the login that spawned pine.
                \_ Already did - still can't kill that pine job.
                   \_ What signal are you sending to kill?
                      \_ Just "kill ######".
                         \_ Standard kill sends SIGTERM which is equivalent to
                            "Please exit right now".  Try 'kill -9 ####' which
                            sends SIGKILL which is "You die now!"
                \_ /bin/kill -9 -1.  Kills *everything* you are running on
                   the machine.  "It's the only way to be sure"
                        \_ Thanks - worked.

3/5     How much wood could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?
        \_ In 4/4 time: ta ta ta tata | ta ta ta tata | ta ta ta ta | ta - - -
        \_ a woodchuck could chuck as much wood as a woodchuck could chuck if a
           woodchuck could chuck wood
        \_ a woodchuck would chuck all the wood he could if a woodchuck could
           chuck wood.
        \_ shouldn't "could" be "would"?
           \_ How much wood would a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck would chuck
              wood?
        \_ as much wood a woodchuck would chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood
           \_ In 4/4 time: ta ta ta ta | tata ta ta tata | ta ta ta ta |
               ta - - -
        \_ a woodchuck would chuck all the wood he could if a woodchuck could
           chuck wood.

3/16    Pine trees may help create smog, acid rain
        Death to trees!
        http://abc.net.au/science/news/stories/s804613.htm
        \_ ObDon'tUsePine
        \_ ObUseMutt

9/8     Suppose I build a bookshelf outa the nice red oak wood. Would it
        look nice if I paint it white? I know what pine looks good w/ white
        but is there anything I need to do to red oaks? Thanks.
        \_ why use good wood and then paint it?
           \_ because he's prole.
              \_ Are you a Fussel fan or has prole entered the general lexicon?
               \_ uhh, prole has been around since before you were born.
                  \_ Not in this context.
        \_ If you paint it, does it matter what the wood underneath was?
        \_ In case the above didn't make it clear to you: no it won't look
           good.  You're ruining a good piece of wood.
        \_ What kind of wood should I use if I want a white melanine look?
           I'm looking for something as solid as red oaks.
           \_ particleboard
        \_ Not sure what they used (not particle board) on the new yankee
           workshop, but it was stable and doesn't sag like particle board
           and takes paint well. you should check with your local home
           depot type store.
           \_ whitewashed cinderblock doesn't sag either.
        \_ Maybe try a pine. It's cheap, but real wood.
        \_ go to ikea, prole
           \_ Never understood why people hate IKEA so much. IKEA has better
              design items at decent than most American furniture stores.
              Would you rather go to Levitz? Now that's prole.
              \_ Because once you outgrow college you'll hopefully outgrow
                 IKEA and acquire some sense of adult taste.  It's fine for
                 college when you're moving around a lot and don't have a lot
                 of room.  Nothing wrong with IKEA for college students and
                 apartment dwellers, but IKEA isn't the height of style either.

8/14    today's motd is truly brilliant.
        \_ you call this brilliant?  Come on, dude.  Troll harder.
        \_ The pine thread was my original work if you liked that part of
           today's motd.
           \_ That straightens it all out.  Why do you people not sign
              your names... --scotsman
              \_ Why *do* you sign yours?  There are enough non-anonymous
                 forums if we chose to converse in that format.
                 \_ Okay, more exactly.  Why do you say something like this
                    and not sign your post?  It undercuts any cleverness you
                    may have had with the pine post. --scotsman
                    \_ It has nothing to do with cleverness.  I'm letting them
                       know I'm here so we can chat about it briefly.  I may
                       not even be the pine poster.  I may not be the person
                       who claimed to be the pine poster.  You may not be
                       scotsman.  I think today I'll be scotsman.  --scotsman

8/7     My terminal setting is consistantly jacked up, despite my attempt
        to set terminal to vt100. programm such as less or motdbrowser
        motdedit won't work properly.  The strange thing is, once I run
        PINE, then the terminal setting for some reason will fix itself,
        everything that doesn't work before would then work.
        What is so special about PINE the mail program?  How to fix the
        terminal without running Pine?
        \_ What exactly are your "efforts to set terminal to vt100"?
           \_ ok, i admit, I don't know.  set/unset the TERM environment
              variable,  and execute mysterioius "tset" and hope for the
              best
              \_ try "set term=vt100"
              \_ tset is more likely to screw things up than help
        \_ eval `resize`

2/25    pine is for booty bandits
        \_ mmmm.... boooooty.

2/11    [restoring previous question].  I've heard that it's illegal to take
        anything out of national parks.  Is this true?  I'm thinking of getting
        redwood and sequoia seeds out of their respective forests.  Thank.
        \_ Yes, it is. More to the point, what's wrong with your local
           nursery? --dim
           \_ Local nurseries don't carry the seeds that I want.  I've
              searched everywhere near the bay area.  Redwood seeds I can find,
              but not giant sequoia.  And after watching nova's program on
              the methuselah tree, I want some bristlecone pine seeds as well.
              \_ Forget about seeds. Just buy the tree already grown. You
                 *can* find giant sequoia in containers. I've seen it. I
                 hope you're not planning on tearing out a many-thousand
                 year-old bristlecone pine. You can get that from a
                 nursery, too. For giant sequoia:
                 <DEAD>www.monterybaynsy.com<DEAD>
                 I don't recommend the pine. Grows 4 feet in 14 years. Couldn't
                 find a *local* grower, but there is probably one. Otherwise,
                 ship from out-of-state. http://www.seedrack.com has seeds
                 for both trees, btw. --dim
        \_ Really?  I took a big pine cone from Yosemite, or more precisely,
           somewhere near the top of the 2nd waterfall of the Vernal Falls
           trail.  Now I have to bring it back.  :(

1/15    In pine, how do I change the Reply-to: header?
        \_ in pine, the answer to all such question is "edit the .pinerc file".

10/05   im having some trouble sorting email in pine.  sorts dont work
        anymore.  what do i need to do ?  ive tried deleting the pinerc
        in case it was messed up, but the default one doesnt bring the
        sorting back.  is it a case of too much mail?  if so, ok, but see,
        im trying to sort to decide what to clear out...   let me know
        if its something obvious, thanks.   -hahnak
        \_ It doesn't work for me, too.  Did someone screw up pine?
           \_ I think so. It is broken on soda, but not my other accts.
           \_ Maybe not:
                soda 3: ls -l `which pine`
                -r-xr-xr-x  1 root  wheel  2696760 Feb 12  2001 /usr/local/bin/pine*
                \_ what does this mean?
                   \_ apart from you're an idiot?  that pine hasn't changed
                      since feb 12, i assume.
                        \_ incorrect assumption.

6/12    Why does pine take a few minutes to say I have new mail?
        Where is the delay? Shouldn't it be only a few moments?
        \_ shhh... it's thinking...
            \_ No, Seriously. It's annoying. On a fast computer, why should
               one have to wait for one's mail?
               \_ "man pine" says:
                  "New mail checking and notification occurs automati-
                  cally every 2.5 minutes and after certain commands,
                  e.g. refresh-screen (Ctrl-L)."
                  If it polls the mailbox every 1 sec and there are many pine
                  users, maybe the machine load would be too high.  --- yuen
                  (not a pine user)
        \_ why not use the 'newmail' command on unix?
        \_ you can set the interval in the config.

4/12    Is Pine capable of using X.509 certificates to encrypt and sign email?
        A URL would be great, but these long motd threads are entertaining too.
        \_ Use PGP with pine.  But of course that's hard, so see above.

2/28    Looking for recommendations on cordless machine tools.  Any comments
        on DeWalt vs. Makita 18 V drill and saw combos?  How about other
        brands?
        \_ Yer mom prefers my Makita.
        \_ DeWalt, all the way, every time.

07/15 pine upgraded to 4.10. old pine available as pine-3.96 -aaron
      \_ install fixed not to move mail to $HOME/mbox -aaron

10/16   A while back there was some posting on a motd about fixing the
        mess Pine recently made.  It's creating a giant mbox and
        swallowing my quota.  Help!  Make it stop!  And please no lectures
        about using Pine in the first place...  Thnx - cathyg
        \_ delete messages, and use a real mail program.
        \_ $ Mail
           s 1-1000 /tmp/pinesux
           d 1-1000
           q
           rm /tmp/pinesux
        \_ perhaps mail to root would be more useful

08/25   If you run PINE and your email has all mysteriously vanished, run
        "/csua/bin/fixmail". -Brian

8/12    I recently started using procmail but was wondering if there are any
        email programs that will tell you when you have new mail in a
        particular folder. Pine doesn't seem to cut it.
        \_ newmail to see it as it arrives, frm to see what's new since you
                 read last
           \_ newmail will only help if you're already logged on. frm won't
              help you if you've filed your goods.
                \_ frm will help you if you know how to use it.
        \_ 'folders' works great, if you use MH.  If you don't use MH,
                you should.

7/9     How do you change the Reply-To address in pine when you send
        outgoing mail.
        \_ Type Ctrl-R when in any of the header fields will expand headers

        \_ go to the setup configure menu.  it's easy to find the reply-to
           header option.  it's near the bottom i think.
        \ By using real mail program
          \_ I don't understand this religious fervor over mail programs.
             What can other mailers, such as mh, do that pine can't for the
             _average_ user? And don't start naming off 1001 features that
             Joe Blow won't ever use, cuz I don't deny they do have more
             features than pine.
                \_ how about "not using 3*mail spool space in RAM"

2/20    In Pine how can you selectively forward emails from a certain address?
        For example, I want to keep all mail going to Soda, but for mail from
        my brother, I want it to be forwarded to my work address.
        \_ man procmail - mogul
        \_ man filter
           \_ duh, there is no man-page on filter.
                \_ Pretty much if you're using Pine, you couldn't understand
                   a man page anyway.  They wrote pine for secretaries not
                        \_ Secretaries my ass.. as if they have ever seen UNIX
                   \_ man mutt for something better
                           in their lives..
                           \_ Our secretaries use unix.  Top of the
                              secretarial gene pool.
                                \-MailAgent is the Top-of-the-Gene-Pool mail
                                processing system. Probably the only one that
                                some knowledge of group theory/set theory to
                                understand the man page. --psb
                   geeks.  Use slocal if you need to be clever.
                   \_ Oh, I forgot that anything that's easy to use has to
                      be for idiots.  Hopefully someone will drag you into
                      the next century.
                        \_ No, anything that's hard to use but is intended to
                           be easy belongs in the secretarial pool.  If Pine
                           was so fucking easy then why ask how to do what
                           _should_ be a really easy thing?  slocal is just as
                           hard/easy, does more, and has examples in the man
                           page.  If you're such the "pine is easy to use"
                           babbling moron, then why not provide the answer?
                           Shouldn't be more than 2 or 3 clicks and a drag.
                           \_ Oh my.   pine is a mail READER, not a delivery
                              agent.  You can't DO what has been asked with
                              pine.  Use procmail, slocal, or simply be
                              selective about which address you give to who.

01/06   Anyone else have Pine die on them and find that there is no
        backup of the interupt letter?  Soda Mark IV : Unstable
        \_ pine sucks -aaron
        \_ Well gee, as far as I know source for pine is available on the
           net.  Find it and fix it, or use a less broken mail program.
        \_ there's some ptx only pine patches out on the net somewhere,
           -danh
        \_ Pine is working stably for me, but since I'm so stoopid, I have
           to use HIP, and I'm having trouble getting this doo-hickey thing
           recognize a dec-vt220,
        \_ YOU FUCKING MORON, USE VT100, IT'S THE SAME GODDAMNED THING
         so the only way I can get Pine or Pico
           or any other fancy-schmancy program with a menu interface to run
           is to telnet into my UC Link account first and specify a vt100
           terminal, which Soda would then recognize.  I have no idea how to
           specify a terminal manually and directly because tput's just to
           cryptic for me.  (Yes, this is a pathetic plea for help, but also an
           alternative means of accessing Pine for anyone interested, but
           you're all probably Unix savvy gods and smarter than me anyway,
           so why don't I just to that corner right now and go fuck myself.)
             --pcjr
           \_ Ok.