6/29    Anyone know of a place around berkeley to buy Replica Soccer Jerseys?

6/25    Has anyone noticed how they play Pet Shop Boy's "Go West" at
        the end of every World Cup match? Does anyone know why?
        \_ It is because Soccer is gay...
                \_ hey, that's Clever...
                   \_ I've got the Brains, You've got the Brawn ...

6/23    So the US is out, but at least they scored one goal. Did ppl find
        the first 60 minutes of the Japan/Brazil game dull or interesting?
        I'm not a soccer otaku or anything, but I thought it was really
        entertaining until the 3rd Brazilian goal.
        What are the "games to watch" this weekend?
        \_ Both the Saturday games should be good.
           \- go to el farolito in the mission for the ARG-MEX game ...
              ask for wheat beer and keep asking people if they remember
              when USA beat MEX.
        \_ The first goal by Japan was surprising and interesting, but then
           the game devolved into Brazil beating Japan down, and that's just
           not entertaining no matter who you are.
                \_ Unless you're Brazil or a Brazil fan! 4-1 baby!

6/22    Can someone explain to a non-soccer fanatic what's so great about
        soccer?  Is this just one of those things you had to grow up with?
        \_ telnet <DEAD>diego.ascii-wm.net<DEAD> 2006
           \_ when's the next match?
        \_ It's just another pastime for those whose own lives are devoid
           of any interest.
        \_ Honestly, it's hard to say. For some people, the back-and-forth
           is everything; for me, it's the pressure in the last 15 minutes of
           a game. Also, the World Cup is fascinating to me because of the
           long game: you can lose one match and yet still qualify for the
           next round. --erikred
        \_ I like the crazy stuff people have to do the get goals.  I
           can't understand NBA basketball.  Run to one side of the court,
           dunk.  Run to other size, dunk.  Run back... booring.
        \_ It's more civilized and technical than the stupid
           American Football. -troll
           \_ Ah, young troll -- you forget where you're posting.  Train
              harder, grasshopper.
              \_ You know the "kung fu speak" is really a tiresome cliche now.
              \_ You know the "kung fu speak" is really tiresome now.
                 \_ Keep trying.  Someday it'll work for you.
        \_ *ANY* sport is a culture thing.  I didn't found of American football
           when I came to USA.

6/20    Please to be speaking up now if you do not want me to post the World
        Cup results for Iran-Angola and Mexico-Portugal. Thank you.
        \_ Can we institute a 24 hour moratorium on discussion of the games?
           Feel free to talk about the England game or something. Weekend games
           are excepted.
           Feel free to talk about the England game or something.
           Weekends excepted.
           \_ Okay, no problem.
           \_ I won't mention the team names, but when two teams play to
              a scoreless draw and the articles about the game say things
              like how "fast and furious" the play was and how it was a
              classic I realize that even though I like (and played)
              soccer, the game kind of sucks. How does the rest of the
              world get so into a game where a scoreless draw is not only
              a possibility, but seen as a good sign of two team's abilities?
              \_ What article said that? Neither team particularly cared to
                 win that match since it didn't matter.
                 \_ Yes, meaningless games are what makes the World Cup
                    so great!
              \_ If two really good teams work really hard at scoring and
                 yet simultaneously prevent each other from scoring, how is
                 that not incredibly exciting? Frankly, I find this much more
                 exciting than the NBA, where the game comes down to who
                 messed up and didn't make the matching goal; it's almost as
                 bad as bowling.
                 \_ I can appreciate good defense. A no hitter in baseball
                    is exciting. What is not exciting is that it's a
                    scoreless *tie*. Please play until someone scores. Hockey
                    can get away with ties, because 1) at least they have
                    the concept of overtime, 2) the ties are rarely
                    scoreless, and 3) even if they are there are usually
                    more shots on goal that the goalkeeper actually has
                    to save. In soccer, one team scores a goal and then
                    plays defense the rest of the game. That's a
                    disservice to the phenomenal athletes.
                    \_ This is the first round. Each teams plays three matches
                       and scores match points based on how they do; the
                       teams with the most match points in their groups move
                       the second round. From the second round forward, the
                       rules change:
                       "If, after 90 minutes, a match ends in a draw, extra
                        time of twice 15 minutes will be played. If the score
                        is level after extra time, penalty kicks will be
                        taken to determine the winner (cf. Art. 17, par. 2,
                        and 3 of these Regulations)."
                       Now, if you want to argue over the fairness (or sanity)
                       of ending a match through PKs, brother, you're preaching
                       to the choir. If you really want to know why people
                       riot after WC matches, look no farther.
                       \_ I think they should decide it based on corner kick
                          differential over the course of the match.
                    \_ The first round is odd in the respect that it
                       actaully encourages scoreless ties.  In the
                       tiebrakeing process, a scoreless tie is worth more
                       that a scoring tie.
                       \_ How so?

6/19    During non-World Cup times, how can I watch international soccer
        games (e.g. european premier leagues)? I don't have satellite,
        nor am I prepared to get it just for this. Thanks.
        \_ You're going to have to go somewhere that does, like a pub.
        \_ Spanish language channels.
           \_ They don't usually show much European soccer.

6/8     What's a good bar in San Francisco to watch the
        World Cup tomorrow night and hit on hot Irish chicks?
        \_ SF Gate had an article about that yesterday.
          http://tinyurl.com/lov2g
        \_ International House (more french actually)
        \_ I thought the games are in the morning.

6/3     How do I listen to the world cup games?
        I think the BBC is broadcasting to European internet
        users.  How do I listen to this? - danh
        \_ Why would you want to listen to color commentators from any
           country other than mexico?  I recommend that you learn spanish and
           listen to latino radio for your world cup coverage,
           GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
           GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAAL!!!!!
           GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAAAL!!!
           \_ For some bizarre reason, this seems to be common with all S.
              American announcers I've heard.  Anyway, why would you care
              about the world cup?  FIFA is evil.  -John
                \_ OK, I'll bite. And why is are they evil?
                   \_ They're corrupt, they fuck taxpayers in host countries
                      for all they're worth under the name of some wishy-
                      washy let's-all-get-along-through-soccer idea, and
                      people are dumb enough to go along with them.  FIFA is
                      basically a mixture of F1 racing, the IOC and any
                      American commercial major league in terms of their
                      business practices and how they work.  If you want
                      good soccer, go play pickup.  -John
                      \_ How does that make them different than anyone else
                         in sports?
                         \_ It doesn't really, but the IOC and most US major
                            leagues are a joke too.  -John
           \_ It's funny when they start to do that but then it turns out
              not to be a goal for some reason and they suddenly stop.
        \_ Move to the UK
        \_ Try BBC Five Live:
           http://www.bbc.co.uk/fivelive/sport/football/worldcup/2006/guide
           http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/fivelive.shtml?listen
           \_ So you probably need a UK HTTP proxy cause they're suppose to
              be checking IP's at the door

5/31    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7029307448920014564
        Modern Talking is so gay!
        \_ i thought you wrote "Takei"

3/21    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/03/21/google_soccer_vendetta
        Register op/ed piece.  Take it as you will.
        \_ The Register claims to be a news source, but in reality The
           Register is little more than a purveyor of capitalism's most
           despised offshoot - advertising.
           \_ It's an op/ed, not news.  I said it was an op/ed.  What's the
              problem?  -op
              \_ Sheesh, it was a joke, calm down.  I just thought it was
                 funny to be reading about how evil advertising is on a page
                 filled with fashing annoying ads. You realize that line is
                 pulled from the article, right? -pp
                 \_ Sorry, it's the motd.  I've learned not to expect anything
                    intended to be funny.

3/12    http://www.streetwars.net/la2006.php#playarea
        http://csua.org/u/f84 (latimes.com)
        Geeks grow up.  ~ 200 L.A. residents in game of "Assassin / Killer".
        Obtain a card with your target's work and home locations, and photo,
        and attempt to soak them with water (water gun, balloon, hose, etc.),
        after which you take over their target.
        Not too good if you have a SO / kids, since it appears that your home
        is a valid place where you can be "killed".

2/17    Is there a game review site this isn't basically a direct extension of
        the industry (a la gamespot and IGN) and aimed at an audience other
        than mouthbreathers?
        \_ is OLD MAN MURRAY still around?
           \_ wow.  last update was in jan 2002.  i totally forgot about that
              site after i graduated from college.

2/12    So, does anyone else here play SDL sopwith?  That game is awesome,
        and I've always wanted to try the network mode.  (For, like 15
        years) -jrleek
        \_ I want to play BZFLAG.
           \_ Maybe we should set up a CSUA BZFLAG server...
              \_ If you want.  I don't think it's worth it.  There are
                 lots and lots of public BZFLAG servers out there.
                 apt-get install bzflag
                 if you're a debian nerd.

1/5     I just found out about the underground flash phenomenon.   Here's
        a few of my favs, skewed to video game heads:
        SFII vs MK3: http://tinyurl.com/7wb2f
        Scorpion Addicted to Mortal Kombat: http://tinyurl.com/c9qd4
        Star Wars Gangsta Rap: http://tinyurl.com/8ogyy
        \_ welcome to the 21st century

12/22   Go BEARS!!!
        \_ Learn to spell. It's GO BEAH!
                           \- It's "it's".
           \_ yeah, I miss him too.
              \_ I remember awhile ago, he came to one of my classes to give
                 a talk, and he reminisced about wanting to be a basketball
                 player in the NBA when he was a teenager.         -mice

11/21   No talk about the Big Game?
        \_ Ummm... look below?

11/19   Steve Levy >> Joe Ayoob
        Its funny how Tedford put him in for like two plays at the very end of
        the game (when we were up by 24 points with like 30 seconds to go).
        -mrauser
        \_ Levy really didn't throw very well, and the offense didn't
           move very well until the game was in hand.  I'll give him
           kudos for winning his first collegiate start, but I haven't
           seen anything to indicate he's better than Ayoob.  (Ayoob has
           six wins).  -tom
           \_ Levy just doesn't have the brain freeze that Ayoob does.
              Ayoob kills the team with mistakes.
              \_ Levy fumbled deep in our own end with the score 6-3.
                 He also threw an interception when we were in field goal
                 range when the score was 13-3.  -tom
                 \_ And yet still made far fewer mistakes than Ayoob has
                    been making.
                    \_ His mistakes didn't happen to cost us, playing against
                       a weak team.  Ayoob had five victories in a row over
                       weak teams.  I don't think Ayoob is great, but Levy
                       is not a real QB, and if we go into a bowl game with
                       him at QB, any decent defense will put a spy on him
                       and he will be in trouble.  -tom
                       \_ You are right that Levy is not a 'real QB'. I
                          think he sucks. Yet, I'd still rather have him
                          out there over Ayoob. Only one turnover in the
                          entire game. Levy tries to do less than Ayoob
                          and that helps the team more.
                          \_ Ayoob has had one or fewer turnovers five times
                             this year.   -tom
                             \_ And 7 INTs in 2 games, which sent him to
                                the bench.
                                \_ He threw four INTs in the USC game.  One
                                   was when he and the receiver didn't
                                   agree on the route (if Jackson had turned
                                   the route up, it would not have been
                                   intercepted).  One hit the receiver in
                                   both hands, but went through his hands.
                                   One was a desperation play at the end
                                   of the half, and the other was on fourth
                                   down.  It's not clear that *any* of them
                                   constituted a mistake on Ayoob's part. -tom
                                   \_ You've got to be kidding me. Let me
                                      guess: Ayoob is your cousin or something.
                                      \_ let me guess; you don't understand
                                         the difference between a decision
                                         and a result.  -tom
                                         \_ Ayoob's decision-making is terrible.
                                            \_ It's at least as good as Levy's.
                                                -tom
                                                \_ Based on what?
                                                   \_ Based on knowing a lot
                                                      about football, having
                                                      season tickets, and
                                                      watching the two of
                                                      them all year.  -tom
                                                      \_ If you're defending
                                                         Ayoob then I have
                                                         to question your
                                                         credentials as
                                                         someone who 'knows a
                                                         lot about football'.
                                                         His play is
                                                         inexcusably terrible.
                                                         \_ His play has not
                                                            been good, but he
                                                            won six games.
                                                            Levy against
                                                            Stanford never
                                                            went past his
                                                            first read, and
                                                            had serious happy
                                                            feet in the second
                                                            half.  8 of his
                                                            10 completions
                                                            were dumpoffs or
                                                            short outs, and
                                                            he telegraphed
                                                            every pass.  Even
                                                            the TD pass to
                                                            Jackson was badly
                                                            underthrown,
                                                            although I wouldn't
                                                            exactly call that
                                                            a mistake since
                                                            it was a good
                                                            matchup for us
                                                            in one on one
                                                            coverage.  -tom
                                   \_ What about the fumble in the USC game?
                                      And don't even get me started on the
                                      OSU game. He should have been pulled
                                      after that fiasco.

11/17   Is there any on-line store that sells Big Game apparel which support
        Cal?  I only found a Big Game 'Ticket' tee which doesn't suppport
        either side.

11/11   So, what's the spread on the USC vs. Cal game today, and how much will
        we satisfy it by?
        \_ Spread was 19 and USC will cover easily.
           \_ yay!

11/4    Funny game titles:
        http://www.somethingawful.com/articles.php?a=3327  -John

11/4    F.E.A.R. review: boring, repetitve set design (on par with Halo's
        "Library" level) throughout the whole game.  Paper-thin story which is
        easily guessed in the first few minutes of the game.  Doom3 with lights
        on at best (but with less variation in the baddies).  Avoid it.
        \_ I completed it and have fond memories.  It's true the cubicle levels
           are ultra-dull.
        \_ I haven't tried the full-version, but deathmatch is pretty fun,
           and free.

10/16   These are some conditions and precepts so that morally aware youth do
        not inadvertently imitate heretics and polytheists when playing
        soccer ... Hell awaits those who die playing soccer according to rules
        established by heretical countries, at the head of which is America.
        http://NYTimes.com: http://csua.org/u/dqm
        \_ "6. Do not play in two halves. Rather play in one half or three
           halves..."  Hmm.. someone need to look up the meaning of "half."
           \_ Why do you hate Allah?

6/16    Recommendations for skydiving in the Bay Area? We live in Oakalnd.
        \_ Right above OAK.
        \_ Hollister.
        \_ Byron, east of Livermore.

5/20    For the person who was asking how to best answer the question,
        "What's your weekness?" during the interview.  IMHO, the best
        way to answer that is to talk about how you'd like to be more
        proficient in an area that you are _not_ interviewing for.
        For example, if you are interviewing for a backend position,
        then talk about how you are not as strong in front end design
        but would love to get more exposure to it.  Or for non-managedment
        engineering positions in general, it is also okay to say you are
        not comfortable enough speak in front of hundredes or thousdands
        of people but you would like to take some public speech classes
        if the company can sponsor it (it is important to quatify the
        number of audience; you want to point out you are totally comfortable
        doing a technical presentation/review for your peers).
        This answer usually leads to discussion about company's education
        benefits, which is what you want to find out anyway.
        \_ The best answer is "I don't have any weaknesses"
         \_ I'd rather someone blew off the question than respond this way
         \_ No, that's the worst answer.a
            \_ I dunno -- the last thread about this had some pretty messed
               answers....
            \_ It's not the worst answer if it is true. If you're good at
               your job and you have good people skills to boot plus tons
               of experience in the relevant positions then why would you
               have any weaknesses? I mean, seriously, what the hell are you
               supposed to say? I don't have a good backhand in tennis?
               I don't play golf? I mean, seriously, wtf ARE you supposed to
               say if you have 10+ years of experience in the field, worked
               on various projects as follower or leader, have had a pretty
               good track record on those projects, given lectures on the
               field, published papers, etc. etc.. If you are the best
               candidate for the job, why SHOULD you have any weaknesses?
               \_ If you think you're perfect, that's a weekness.
                  \_ Perhaps if you think you are NOT perfect for the job,
                     now that's a weakness. If you don't think you're perfect
                     for the job, then why are you applying? Also, who said
                     anything about thinking that you yourself are perfect?
                     Not having a weakness != perfection.
                     \_ Okay, I'll emend that.  If you don't think you have
                        weaknesses, you're lying to yourself and others.
                        \_ So in other words, you don't believe that people
                           can be good at what they do. That's an interesting
                           attitude.
                           \_ No.  I believe that people who are never
                              introspective are dangerous.  I believe that
                              people who don't find they have things to
                              better in themselves are stunted and boring.
                              \_ Being introspective is one thing, being
                                 weak at something is another. Don't mix
                                 the two. You're confusing self assessment
                                 with being weak. Self assessment leads to
                                 improvement, even in things you are strong
                                 at. It's akin to saying that Tiger Woods
                                 has a "weak" short game. His weak short
                                 game still blows 99% of the population
                                 out of the water. He can improve on it,
                                 (heck, he can improve on all aspects of
                                 his game), but I wouldn't call it a
                                 weakness, especially if you're applying
                                 for a job. Seriously, this is one of those
                                 dumb corporate interview questions that
                                 should be banned. It's a dumb question and
                                 leads to no real answers.
                                 \_ Sounds like you're reading too much into
                                    the question.  This is exactly what they're
                                    asking about.  Things you'd like to be
                                    better at.  Maybe it's bad terminology,
                                    but you're being really obtuse.
                                 \_ If you asked Tiger Woods his biggest
                                    weakness and he said "My short game"
                                    it would make plenty of sense. How his
                                    short game compares to mine is not the
                                    question.
        \_ my biggest weakness is not being able to find more time to <stick
           in something irrelevant to work>. For example, I'm unable to find
           more time to read fine American literatures, take French/cooking,
           class, and do things that'll make me a better rounded person.
           Heck they don't give a shit how well-rounded you are, so why not.
        \_ The purpose of this question is to bait you into revealing a real
        show stopper flaw, or see if you dodge the question or throw up a smoke
        screen answer.  As long as you answer it honestly and don't throw out
        a juicy flaw like stealing other people's lunchs from the company
        refrigerator, you are probably fine.  -ax
           \_isn't hacking code and eating Doritos making you more well-rounded
                \_ Only in the chiapet sense.

5/6     Awhile back I asked if anybody knew a place where one could rent
        game consoles. Nobody responded with a useful answer. So, if
        anybody else care, Silver Screen on Grand rents PS2s, XBoxes and game
        cubes.

4/23    Kung Fu Hustle: OH MY GOD!
        Why are you still reading this? Go watch the movie now! NOW!
        \_ I was amused by the homage, especially to the Buddhist Palm.  On
           its own as a movie it was weak.
           \_ You have no soul.
                \_ I like how the main character smashes the soccer ball.
                   It's greate on the big screen, but I also bought
                   a legal dvd of it in oakland chinatown weeks ago. -danh
        \_ seconded.     \_ OMG! WTF! legal?  I rented an illegal copy of it
                            from my chinese dvd renter, and copied it.
                \_ seconded.
                  \_ thirded
                     \_ fourthed
                     \_ pi'd
                     \_ googol'd
        \_ shaolin soccer was better
           \_ shaolin soccer is one of the best comedies EVAR
           \_ Shaolin Soccer was also Chow's first attempt to steer away from
              his usual dirty-joke comedies,although those were very funny too.
           \_ I liked them both, but I think pound for pound KFH delivered the
              goods.
              \_ KFH was all over the place.  Shaolin Soccer was close
                 to perfection.  Then again, I'm Asian.
                 \_ And I'm a geeky fanboy of martial arts films. So what?
                    I probably got more of the obscure references, but the
                    real enjoyment for me was how tightly the film adhered
                    to the mantra: show, don't tell.
                 \_ Agree with pp.  Shalin Soccer was a finished product.
                    The acting in Kung Fu Hustle was half-assed, as well as
                    the storyline.  The action and special effects were good,
                    but I couldn't shake the feeling of it being unfinished
                    product through the whole movie.  I think if they really
                    tried, they could've made it into an awesome movie.
           \_ I'll be the first to say that I saw Shaolin Soccer with a
              bunch of friends who loved it and said I *HAD* to see it.
              Since I love kung fu movies and soccer it was a sure hit.
              Not. I found it painfully boring for the most part. The best
              thing about it is the title.
              \_ who are you, so I can not be your friend?
              \_ your expectations were raised too high.  oh well.
                 \_ seconded.
        \_ I don't know about your god, but it was definitely fun and different.
           --dbushong
        \_ I like Chow's "Made-In-China 007".

4/12    Would I be sexist if I said men played american football better
        than women?
        \_ If you mean that the best players right now are men, that's
           obviously true.  If you mean that men are inherently better,
           that's not obviously true, and it would be sexist if you said
           it without justification.
           \_ Sure it's obviously true. It's objective fact that the top male
              athletes in all sports are stronger, heavier, run faster etc.
              American football is not a finesse sport.
           \_ It would be sexist even if you said it with justification.
              Science giving way to politics.
              \_ you're a moron.  -tom
        \_ Watching woman play american football is more fun than watching men.
        \_ Yes you are sexist.  But if you rephrase it as "men played American
           football better than women because women are discriminated", you are
           not sexist.  See the logic?
           \_ you're a moron.  -tom
              \_ you're a moron, tom.
              \_ Is that better or worse than being an idiot?  -!pp
              \_ I'm not the moron.  People who caused this kind of logic are
                 the morons.  -- pp
                 \_ yes, you are the moron.  -tom
        \_ What if I said I prefer watching women in lingerie playing football?
           \_ Don't know.
           \_ personal preference versus statement of possibly unfounded fact.
        \_ And that is wrong because? PC is just another form of
           discrimination - just self-deluded.
           \_ Political correctness seems much more like a disease of the right
              than the left these days.

3/27    This is just wacked.  "A Dutch Soccer Riddle: Jewish Regalia Without
        Jews".  http://csua.org/u/bi9

3/14    If you're bored, you can meander over to http://gamespot.com, click on
        Act of War: Direct Action, click on Developer Diary #2 movie, and
        watch as French game developers gloat over the tactical nuking of
        the White House.

2/7     See the full Go Daddy superbowl ad:
        http://www.godaddy.com/gdshop/superbowl05/landing.asp?isc=bpshdr001
        \_ well I thought the girl was OK. Big boobs but otherwise just ok,
           what do you guys think?
           \_ She was hot.  Hotter, though:  tabasco chick, girl #1 in
              the pepsi singing bottle commercial.
               \_ I only find four commercials: Diddy Truck, Ladies Man,
                  iTunes, and Pop the Music. No tabasco girl.
           \_
            http://www.tabasco.com/arts_pavilion/tv_ads/tabasco_tanlines_ad.cfm
           \_ I'd like to see *your* gf.
           \_ She was hot, with the added advantage that she might be useful
              as a flotation device in emergencies.
              \_ Does silicone float in water?

2/5     Poll, Stupor Bowl:
        definitely watching:
        I hate it, don't care: ..
        Not interested, don't care: ....
        Everything I know about football I learned from Alan Dundes's class:.
        \_ Hehe, that last one is revealing.
        \_ As if anyone on this motd has an interest in anything
           pop culture.
           \_ There must be at least one person who is broken up over
              the Enterprise cancelation.
              \_ I'm kinda annoyed that Enterprise sucked so hard.  They
                 got a good actor for the captain, but the writing was teh
                 suk.
                 \_ Yeah, I pretty much knew it was only a matter of time
                    after watching just the first few episodes.  But I'm
                    a die hard Trek fan, so I watched them all and I'll
                    miss the show.
                    \_ Blasphemer! Enterprise is not Trek. No true fan
                       would dirty himself by watching it.

1/27    9 year old professional athlete in soccer??
        http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/soccer/01/27/phenom.ap/index.html?cnn=yes

1/6     WTF, you can't defend a child hit with a water bottle at a football
        game now?  The sailor guy is lucky the kid's friends didn't have
        guns!
        http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/news/archive/2005/01/06/state1916EST0140.DTL
        \_ I think you're confusing "defense" with "revenge"
           \_ You must be some kind of liberal.  You'd sit by and do nothing
              while some clown is throwing things at a kid you're with??
              \_ The guy throws an empty water bottle.  You and two of your
                 friends beat him unconscious.  Does that seem like a valid
                 response to you.  And yes, I am a liberal.  The guy was an
                 ass for not apologizing if he hit the kid on purpose.  But,
                 funny thing, I have some modicum of self control, and I
                 would hope others do too.
              \_ You must be some kind of idiot. Almost killing a guy because
                 he threw an empty bottle at a kid is never justified.
                 Not only are these three morons going to get a year in the
                 pen, they're going to be slapped with a huge assault and
                 battery tort lawsuit by the sailor. I mean, are you going
                 to go and slash someone's throat because he took your
                 parking space? If you think this behavior is justified,
                 I think you need to go seek professional help.
              \_ The article said the sailor refused to apologize.  If that's
                 the whole story, I think he's a dick and deserve to get
                 beaten up.  However, this being civilized society, I think
                 the three men went a bit too far.  I think the fair thing
                 would be to charge the sailor for "assault" as well for
                 hitting the kid with the bottle.
                 \_ And that they didn't should give a clue that it probably
                    an accident.

12/10   Does anyone have video of the Detroit basketball riot?  I
        completely missed it.
        \_ are you the same person who was asking about what all
           the commotion has been surrounding cal football recently?
           \_ Actually, yeah.  And I never got an answer on that either.
              \_ I wrote a long answer for you. Then someone nuked it.
                 \_ Oh, thanks.  Found it on KAIS motd.
        \_ I found a torrent on a blog, it's still downloading.  443 megs.
        \_ just go to http://ifilm.com

12/9    I've heard a lot of talk about stuff like "Cal got jobbed" and
        stuff about football.  What happened?
        \_ Cal football has had a great season, 10 wins, 1 loss, and that
           loss to top-ranked USC in LA by 6 points. Cal is ranked 4th in
           the country currently by both the sportswriters and the coaches.
           Traditionally, the Pac-10 champion (Cal is in the Pac-10, a
           conference of 10 west coast schools) goes to the Rose Bowl to play
           a final game on Jan 1. The Rose Bowl is part of a 4-bowl coalition
           called the Bowl Championship Series (BCS). This year the top two
           teams from college football will play in the BCS championship game
           in Miami in the Orange Bowl. Thus Cal could go to the Rose Bowl, a
           goal of long desire for Cal fans (who haven't been since 1959).
           The Rose Bowl also wanted Cal to preserve its traditional matchup.
           However, Cal was not selected by the BCS because in the final BCS
           rankings (involving computer, coaches, and sportswriters polls),
           Texas barely passed Cal, and Texas got an automatic BCS bid because
           of their final 4th-place finish. Thus Cal was left out of the BCS.
           Many feel that the extra votes that Texas got in the last week
           that made the difference were the result of Texas allies among the
           sportswriters and coaches, and also the Texas coach's campaign for
           votes vs. Cal's non-campaigning and non-running-up-the-score.

11/27   What do you guys think about this whole basketball player/fan
        incident? Is it the player's fault? Or the fans?
        \_ Idiot.

11/21   http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,139213,00.html
        JFK assasination made into a video game.
        \_ http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6549265        with pictures
        \_ Sweet! When's the WTC game going to come out?
           \_ 2041

11/19   Saturday, 11/20, 12:30pm
        Cal will find a way to lose the game:
        \_ I prefer the phrase "Snatch defeat from the jaws of victory."
        Cal Golden Bears roll on: .
        \_ Roll on, you bears!
        \_ The Stanford newspaper is already saying how this would be the
           biggest upset in Big Game history if they win. Nice big 'if'
           \_ They just want everyone to forget "The Play", where even
              having John Elway as their QB wasn't enough to seal the
              victory.

11/2    How many football nuts care more about the BCS polls than the
        election polls: .
        \_ This country doesn't afford you rights, it affords you
           responsibilities.

10/31   President Forever Game:
        http://www.computer-game.us/strategy_war/president2000.htm

10/28   The Brain Game!
        http://www.imgag.com/product/full/ap/3067907/graphic1.swf

10/12   How long will we be able to keep Tedford?
        http://csua.org/u/9fm
        http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6195155

10/1    Game over for Peoplesoft.

9/17    Kobe - the best in the NBA when it comes to interior penetration!
        "... Police said Bryant told them that he should have paid the woman
        to keep quiet -- and mentioned another NBA player who he said had
        done that. Bryant said the player would pay women 'not to say
        anything,' and that he had spent up to a million dollars to get out
        of situations like Bryant's. Bryant told the police that he had
        never had to resort to paying hush money, stating that he 'treats a
        woman with respect, therefore, they shouldn't say anything.'"

8/27    So the NBA can't win the Gold Medal anymore. I guess we can't consider
        the winners of the NBA Championship "World Champions" anymore.
        \_ still wrong
        \_ Our hoops team was beaten by Argentina, a dominant country of ......
           soccer???  Why do we suck so much?  Oh, our baseball team didn't
           even make its way to Athens.  I hate being American.
           \_ This reminds me of that Gilligan's Island movie where the Harlem
              Globetrotters had to beat a bunch of evil robots in a basketball
              game. I think Team USA got caught up trying to play International
              style. They should have just played street style and dominate the
              competition with their athleticism. It should have been like
              those And1 mixtape videos with bounce-pass alley-oop, no-look,
              360 degree between the legs dunks. And lots of trash-talk.
              \_ And blasting rap music at the same time? :-)
        \_ You seem to be confused.  How many of the NBA champs went to the
           olympics?
        \_ Our Olympic team would not have beaten any of the better NBA teams.
           It's not a "Dream Team" in any sense.  -tom

8/23    Dear shac, do you like basketball and rap and hip-hop music? Do you
        like KFC? And your family? And do you have anything against abortion?
        How about affirmative action, what is your stance on that?
        kinda yes yes no yes none-ya none-ya -shac
        \_ kinda yes yes no yes none-ya none-ya -shac
        \_ ha ha you suck -brain
        \_ Troll points: 1.2 out of 10.  Thanks for playing, have a copy
           of our home game, come again.  -John
           \_ HEIL Cherman John!
                \_ Dear arbiters of MOTD lameness, is it acceptable or poor
                   form to make threats of severe bodily injury and generally
                   getting medieval on some scrawny shitwit's ass once found
                   out?  I eagerly await your judgment.  -John
                   \_ You should get SWISS on his buttocks.
                   \_ Just don't delete this thread out of order, or you'll
                      provoke ilyas into a frenzy.  -meyers
                      \_ You know, meyers, rather than trying to give me
                         a hard time, why not try to reason with people who
                         delete things prematurely?  I tried and it didn't
                         seem to work.  Maybe you ll do better. -- ilyas
                         \_ This assumes that reason has worked with you in the
                            past.
                            \_ Uh, zing?  One day you ll grow up and realize
                               reasonable people can disagree with you.
                                 -- ilyas
                                \_ ha ha you suck too   -brain
                                \_ I take it the irony is unintentional.
                                   \_ Hey, I know plenty of reasonable folks
                                      with different politics from mine.  Some
                                      even have soda accounts.  Amazing, isn't
                                      it?  I think the guy who said most folks
                                      use the motd to vent pretty much nailed
                                      it.  -- ilyas

8/4     How is it that cal football is ranked #15?
        \_ 1, we beat USC. 2, people are sold on Tedford. 3, rogers is better
           than a decent QB
           \_ Cal also has the best WR in the conference (assuming Mike
              Williams doesn't return) and has lots of starters returning.
              \_ Williams reportedly was at a team camp today. I don't
                 know if the NCAA has issued a final ruling yet.
           \_ When was the last time we were ranked this high pre-season?
              \_ Probably not since the early 90's, after the Citrus Bowl
                 year.
                \_ I bet they weren't even ranked that high after the
                   Citrus Bowl year.  As I recall, they didn't do that well
                   that year either.
                   \_ We were ranked #9 at the end of the Citrus Bowl year,
                      but this year's ranking is the highest we've had at
                      the beginning of the year, in a long long time. -tom
                   \_ 4-7 in Gilbertson's first year.
        \_ I'm sorry, the correct answer was: Who gives a shit.
           \_ unless you're blind, it's apparent some ppl do give a shit.

7/23    Cool game   http://www.ace21.freesurf.fr/gamuz/jeux/laser.swf
        \_ Godamn it this has the same addictiveness as globulos. Anyways,
           I'm stuck on level 22. Literally. The screen says "loading..."
           and it just wouldn't load level 22. Anyone else have this problem?

6/12    My old HS history teacher used to tell us that the Roman Colliseums
        were built to detract citizens from real issues so that they will
        be content and not overthrow the emperor. Now that I'm grown up and
        know better, I think that is really stupid. I mean, we have football
        and basketball today but people are still pretty pissed about Bush
        and his policies. What do you guys think?
        \_ You are lacking one vital component in your reasoning, the
           shows at the Coliseum were free. Football and basketball are
           not free, and even TV broadcasts are increasingly not free
           (i.e. advent of PPV). Also, the shows at the coliseum were
           state sponsored, the NBA and NFL are privately sponsored.
           \_  The stadiums are usually locally sponsored.
        \_ you are a minority.  Majority of people still think Iraq has
           helped the September 11th attack, and invading Iraq has everything
           to do with WMD and terrorism.
               \- hello, roman entertainment for the masses was motivated
                  by expedient reasons and took the form of public games,
                  subsidies drama, mime [mime was big] etc. while officially
                  run by the aediles who were public officials, the $ was
                  augmented by wealthy individuals [as opposed to now, when
                  the public subsidizes the stadiums for the wealthy].
                  however after the fall of the republic, there was less
                  reason for individuals to pretend to be public spirited.
                                         \- actually looking at some material
                                            this appears more complicated.
                                            i wont bore the "senate and the
                                            people of soda" but i wanted to
                                            leave a note for full disclosure
                                            and can discuss via email if anyone
                                            is interested. --psb
                  it wouldnt get you elelcted consul and more power in the
                  senate was not worth much. so later on, some of the
                  events in the colosium did have a ticket system and women
                  had to sit in the nosebleed seats. so you cannot generize
                  between 2nd century b.c. and say the spectacles of the
                  Neronic age. also outside rome, differnet parts of the
                  empire were "into" different events ... like i think
                  gladitorial games were more popular in the west than the
                  eastern parts of the empire. it is sort of interesting that
                  individuals figures in costests did develop reputations and
                  the sort of had non-georgraphic teams and fans ... like
                  these celebrities would appear on "sports merchandise". --psb
        \_ Your history teacher was pretty much correct.
           \_ you have never heard the expression "bread and circuses"
              [panem et circenses]? this is a troll, clearly. --psb
              \_ And Mr. Latin phrase arrives on schedule.
                 \_ i resisted a discussion of the tribune of the people
                    and roman land reform law with you plebians. --psb
                    \_ your little roman era sports speech above was lengthy
                       but lacked any serious detail that might show you have
                       done more than watch a history channel episode.  would
                       you do a better job with roman land reform?
                       \- One is speaking to a History Channel Audience here.
                          It's reasonable to say something here is wrong.
                          To say it is incomplete is silly. The large topic
                          of the relations between the govt, the patrician
                          class, and the urban underclass, the rural population
                          etc is obviously something that changes over time
                          as rome grows from a "city on the tiber" to
                          "the ruler of the known world" and then changes
                          form into an empire from a republic and cant possible
                          addressed in depth here. if you want citations
                          they can be provided via email. if anything is
                          incomplete, it is your criticism which is largely
                          content-free. --psb
        \_ TROOOOOOLLLLL!!!!!
        \_ Yeah, I built a cathedral in all my major cities and I have the
           Colosseum, but my cities are still all in disorder.
           \_ Build the "war on terrorism" minor wonder. People will be
           \_ Build the "war on terror" minor wonder. People will be
              forced to support the government no matter what.
              \_ I changed the government type to "Shadow" and it all worked
                 itself out. If I get a riot, that population disappears.
                 \_ Iain Banks' thriller _Complicity_ features a Civ-like
                    game where you can "discover" the drug trade and get your
                    counsellors hooked so they stop bugging you for reforms.
                 \_ If you changed it to communist, it would have the same
                    effect.
                    \_ Kinda:  all of the dissidents would be rounded up and
                       then shipped out in equal numbers to all of your
                       cities.  It's kind of like congressional redistricting.
            \_ Stop using your Mech. Inf. to fight partisans and put them back
               in your cities where they can suppress unrest.

6/14    Is anybody watching the Euro 2004 soccer stuff? Is that PPV only?
        \_ WHY DO YOU SUPPORT TERRORISTS?
        \_ the people i know watching at home are doing pay per view.
           i havent checked but kezar pub may be showing. i am mostly
           interesting in watching english football holligans, however. --psb
           interested in watching english football holligans, however. --psb
           \_ Apparently this was the first one: http://csua.org/u/7r3
              \_ You may wish to read "Among The Thugs". Yobbos like:
                 Lager in pint glasses, Lager in 2l bottles, The Queen,
                 The Falkland Islands, ManU, Maggie Thatcher, Goals,
                 Rolex, War movies, Catholic Church [!?], Being abroad,
                 Expensive Sweaters [!?], Sausages, Lots of Money, Themselves.
                 Oi! --psb
           \_ Here you go: http://csua.org/u/7r5

6/10    Cal football games to be broadcast on the radio in SoCal.
        http://calbears.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/061004aaa.html
              \_ Not free. Not on Yahoo Sports, anyway. If you know of
                 a way to get it for free, let me know.
        \_ It's about time.
           \_ You can listen to the games over the Internet, though. It
              used to be free. It might still be.
              \_ Might be hard to do while you're stuck on the 405.
                 \_ Satellite.
              \_ Not free. Not on Yahoo Sports, anyway. If you know of
                 a way to get it for free, let me know.

6/8     Ok, everyone here in the midwest hates the Lakers and want
        them to lose.  How about people in the Bay Area?
        \_ I'm from the Bay Area and I think they're a bunch of ogres,
           rapists, and players who are full of themselves.
        \_ "Rooting for the Lakers is like rooting for the house in blackjack."
           \_ no, it's like rooting for the US in Iraq.
              \_ Uhm, what?
                 \_ Why do you HATE America?
                    \_ Uhm, what?
                       \_ Why do YOU hate America?
                          \_ Heh heh, yer dumb.  Wanna be my valentine?
                          \_ HATE IS THE STANDARD!  USE AMERICA!
                             \_ In Soviet Russia, AMERICA hates YOU!
                 \_ The Lakers are the basketball personification of evil. -tom
                    \_ Just like the United States is the nation-state
                       personification of evil, right tom?

6/2     Game review: Beyond Good and Evil.  Really well done, how come I
        didn't hear squat about his game before now?  Horrid title, good
        gameplay, lags a little in the middle, but what game doesn't?  Does
        a great job with the learning curve, never seems too hard.  Probably
        a bit short, but these days I appreciate a good well done short game.
        Definate renter, possible buy.  -aspo
        \_ Beyond Good & Evil sucks.  It got great reviews by most critics,
           but the public didn't buy it at all.  I did, unfortunately.  I
           played the first hour of the game and immediately put it on eBay,
           to me it's THAT BAD.  What's to not like:
           - Ugly character:  short hair, looks like a boy, no body, green
           lipstick, looks like an 80's punk girl.  In a game you're the
           character, the person has to be likable, Jade is not.
           - Boring character:  no charisma, nothing, she's boring
           - Stupid side-kick:  a pig as a sidekick?  Maybe when I was 10
           years old, not in an adult game.  Imagine if Solid Snake was
           walking around with a talking pig, insults adult intelligence.
           - Hammy:  too tounge and cheek, very hammy dialogue, the voice
           acting seems partly joking partly serious, too in-your-face.
           - Boring gameplay:  take pictures, fight, take pictures, fight...
           + Great graphics
           + Great production value
           \_ A pig for a sidekick?  That's nutty.  Really?  Does it fight or
              carry a pig-gun or something?
              \_ If you get low on energy, you get to eat it.
                 \_ Weird.  And this got rated a great game by someone?

2/20    Looking to contract out some work to experienced game
        artists who don't suck ass.  email jon@number-none.com
                          \_ What I do in my own time is none of your business!
        \_ I'm still concerned about sucking ass.  I'm an experienced game
           artist but how do I know in advance if I suck ass?  Thanks!
        \_ What exactly does it mean to suck ass?  Does it require the act of
           physically putting someone's entire ass in one's mouth while
           applying oral suction?  Would one buttock be enough?  What if the
           ass were too large to fit within the oral cavity?  Would whatever
           smaller of piece of ass one could fit and apply suction upon still
           count as sucking ass?  Thanks!
           \_ Ass sucking is not the proper nor terribly pleasurable way to
              treat an ass. See PETA argument above for more details.
              \_ Instead of looking for someone who won't mistreat an ass,
                 shouldn't poster be telling what they *are* looking for?
                 \_ I'm going to take a wild guess here, and say he might
                    be looking for experienced game artists.
                    \_ Yes, but he already says that.  So he really wants
                       experienced game artists who don't "suck ass".  I'm
                       concerned with the ass sucking part.  Before I send my
                       portfolio in I'd like to know if I've been sucking ass
                       or maybe I have been but I've been doing it wrong or
                       something.  It's good to be prepared for these things.
                       \_ I think I can say with confidence that blojo has
                          no interest in hiring you.  -tom
                          \_ you "think" you can say that with "confidence"?
                             \_ you expected better from tom?

1/11    Is Chess part of the Russian culture?
        \_ Is futbol (soccer) part of Mexican culture?  A game not invented
           there which is taken very seriously.  I'd say yes on both questions
           but it's a qualitative question.
        \_ Is Chess part of the American culture?
           \_ Less so than Russian, but yes.

1/4     Ok so what's the next bowl game for the bears?
        \_ 2010
        \_ If we don't go to a major bowl next year, it will be a
           disappointment.  We lose very little from this team, so both
           offense and defense should be better next year than they were
           this year.  We have playmakers on both sides of the ball.  -tom
           \_ so are we done this year?  We did Insight Bowl, now what's next?
              (if anything)?

12/31   How do I go about getting tickets for Friday night's Cal BBall game?
        I'm an alum.  I've never gone to a Cal ball game before. -crebbs
        \_ why are you going now?
            \_ Part of friend's 30th B-day.
        \_ http://calbears.ocsn.com/tickets/cal-tickets.html
           if there are any left. If not, you can try craigslist
                \_ Isn't that illegal?
           or stubhub, or if you are really determined, buy them
           scalpers outside the arena before the game. -ausman
           or stubhub, or if you are really determined, buy them
           from scalpers outside the arena before the game. -ausman
                \_ Isn't that illegal?
                   \_ No, it's not. Scalping tickets for less than or equal to
                      the amount than the printed price on the ticket is
                      perfectly legal.

12/5    Campbell's Tackling Hunger effort:
        http://www.chunky.com/click_for_cans.asp
        Support your football team and make Campbell donate for you.
        \_ And remember, http://www.thehungersite.com is still alive
           and kicking.

11/12   A cute little adventure-ish game that doesn't take too long to finish.
        http://www.freshsensation.com/samorost.swf
        http://www.samorost2.net/samorost1

10/29   How are spreads created? I'm bored at work and want to create a
        free market (with spreads if possible) for betting on random
        events at work, like "How much longer before Sue and Jack break up?"
        and "4 to 1 odds that the Christmas party will be cancelled?"
        Ya, it's entirely stupid, and the idea is not original (the movie
        40 days and 40 nights had the same sort of thing),
        but like I said, I'm bored.
        \_ Unless you're intimately knowledgeble about people's betting
           habits and personal lives, forget it. Instead, run a pool. Payoffs
           depend on how much people put into it. There is no chance of you
           losing money (unless you bet) and you can be a lot less accurate
           about the outcome, since it doesn't really matter who wins.
        \_ You're looking for odds, not spreads:
           http://csua.org/u/4u6
           That said, you're talking about setting quantifiable odds for
           qualitative results, and that's a mug's game.  If you're really
           bored, establish a trash-can free-throw game, watch the other
           players practice, and set your odds based on their hit-miss ratio.
        \_ Ever look at http://tradesports.com ?  The way they do it is make a
           'contract' that pays $1 if an event happens or $0 if it doesn't.
           A player Andy can sell a contract to Bob for, say $0.30.  If the
           event doesn't happen, Andy keeps his $0.30.  If it happens, Andy has
           to pay Bob $1 (but keeps the $0.30 he got for selling the contract)
           Anyone can buy and sell contracts as they please and the prices move
           The spread occurs whenever there are no buyers at the price the
           sellers are willing to accept.
        \_ odds are different, but casinos and sports books adjust lines
           so that they'll get pretty close to an even amount bet on both
           sides.
           \_ How exactly does that work? If I set the spread for the Lakers
              game at 7.5 points and everyone is betting on the Lakers, can I
              change the spread to 11.5 and void the previous bets?
              \_ No, the previous bets still stand, but now you get more bets
                 against the Lakers
              \_ as above.  Once you increase the spread(assuming Lakers are
                 favored), you'd get fewer bets on the Lakers and more against.
                 Thus, they adjust until they get even amounts of bets on both
                 sides, and the net payout approx. = net gain, regardless of
                 outcome.  That's why you see lines adjusting as events get
                 closer.
                 Thus, Vegas lines are not a probability of winning, they're
                 a snapshot of what the betting community thinks the prob.
                 of winning are.
                 \_ Perhaps less obviously, all probabilities are a snapshot
                    of someone's belief of what the probability of something
                    is.  -- card-carrying bayesian
        \_ There was an article recently in the SmartMoney magazine about a
           professional sports better.  Besides doing lots of research, he
           would have several people working for him placing bets all at the
           same time such that the spread doesn't move against him.
        \_ hey good way to get fired.  what company is this?  where do i send
           my resume to get your job when you're gone?

10/27   What kind of an offense does the Cal Bears football team run?
        \_ The non-Holmoe kind?
           \_ what's the run/pass ratio?  Do they throw deep a lot?
              short passes?  pro-set?  two TE sets?  multiple WRs?
              Sorry, I haven't watched a game in ages.
              \_ They run the wishbone, and run it down the gut!
                 Passing is for pussies.
                 \_ why not single wing?
              \_ I would call it "west-coast", although Tedford has a lot
                 of wrinkles of his own.  The passes are a little further
                 out than typical west-coast offense, but not too many bombs.
                 Usually one back, one TE, three wide; occasionally two
                 TE, or two wide plus TE and fullback.  Lately it's been a
                 lot of running, probably 60-40 or even 65-35.  -tom
                 \_ thanks tom.
        \_ Sexual offense against women on campus.

9/24    Half-life 2 delayed from Sep. 30 release.  Release date unknown.
        \_ Who cares?  It's all the same.
           \_ I've built my entire life around game release dates.  I check
              all the release date schedules on an hourly basis and auto alert
              myself via my pager and email if anything chances!
              \_ How have you not committed suicide over Duke Nukem Forever?
              \_ I bet this guy is obsessed with masturbating, too.
           \_ Heresy!!!
        \_ but I heard game cubes are now down to $99.

8/21    smurf finally writes a game: http://fa.xmunkki.org

7/22    Thank god for *nix millebourne(sp).  I killed a whole work day doing
        nothing but losing to the computer.  I think it cheats.  An entire
        game without a single "Go" card?

7/15    Seen the Dungeon Siege II trailer?  Anyone believe that the whole
        thing is really from the in-game engine?
        \_ Sure, why not? Looks about par as far as game engines go. The Doom3
           trailer was much more impressive graphics wise, and that was all
           in-game engine driven too. If it were CGI, I'd expect a lot more.
           \_ I wonder how much hardware it takes to play a game that looks
              like that during game play without slowdowns.
              \_ Most likely ATI Radeon 9800 and an insanely fast 2+Ghz CPU

5/15    Would someone be so kind as to post a "Complete" Gamespot ID and
        password. I want to watch some game previews and $30 is just a bit
        much. I'm actually disappointed the game companies don't post these
        on their own sites.
        \_ Why waste their own bandwidth when there are web companies like
           Gamespot who would gladly host their stuff for them?  And $25
           is chump change for a year's worth of access.  Oh, and yes, the
           Half-Life 2 videos are most impressive.
           \_ Thanks for the pointer. Now kicking in my p2p client...
              ...yes, those are pretty neat!
              \_ I don't think you even have to go that far. If I'm not
                 mistaken, some of the videos are BitTorrent'ed
                 \_ Really? I'm googling and not finding. Perhaps I suck.

2/24    nethack-3.4.1 installed.  You can use ~mconst/bin/nethack-convert
        to move a 3.4.0 saved game to 3.4.1; please let me know if anything
        goes wrong.  --mconst

2/3     GO BEARS: Jeff Tedford is making good on his promise to get top
        state prospects. http://Rivals.com says Cal has gotten commitments from
        15 of the top 100 California prospects; only USC, with 20, ranks
        higher. Tedford has concentrated on defensive players and emphasized
        speed.
        \_ Thank fucking god.  It will be nice to have a respectable Cal
           football team.  I don't want to see us lose the Axe for another 7
           years.
           \_ Why do you care?  I got my piece of paper, it served me well
              getting a first job out of school, end of story.
           \_ if Tedford does well, he may go to the pros as an assistant or
              something.
              \_ Yes, let's strive for mediocrity so Tedford can stay here
                 forever.
                        \_ that's not what the poster was implying.
                           \_ What's so big about Tedford? Bottom line is that
                              it'd be great for Cal to have a winning
                              football program. I could care less who the
                              coach is.
                                \_ Um, hello!? A good coach makes a huge
                                   difference in college football. I guess
                                   you weren't around for the Tom Homloe
                                   years? Or maybe you've choosen to
                                   forget, God knows I tried to.
                                   \_ Read what I wrote. I care more about
                                      having a winning football program than
                                      having a specific coach. Tedford can
                                      stay or go as long as Cal continues
                                      to win.
                                      \_ You should care b/c the two are
                                         directly related to each other.
                                         \_ Uh, no. There do exist other
                                            coaches who can also win. Losing
                                            Tedford to the pros is not a
                                            guaranteed end all to Cal football.
        \_ Soon it will be like basketball, where you can't get tickets
           unless you are willing to sit in the worst corner of the stadium.
           \_ Ah, but basketball doesn't have Tightwad Hill.
              \_ I always heard it called "cheapskate hill".  The only place
                 I've seen a bong as big as I am.
                 \_ I think the dopers call it cheapskate hill while the jocks
                    call it tightwad hill. Dunno why the difference.
                    \_ It's Tightwad hill. Dopers have problems using synonyms
                       reflecting their lifestyle while jocks are fascinated
                       by the word "tight". "Tightwad" puts them over the edge.

1/24    Mech Warrior 4 Mercenaries: do not buy. Serious game suckage. The only
        thing that made the game take more than 5 hours to complete was having
        to restart a few of the "oh no instantly dead again" missions many
        times each.  When I saw the final cut scene I was thinking, "Oh cool,
        now I can really get into the game" before I realised this was an
        outro, not a cut scene leading to more interesting missions and mechs.
        The only good thing I can say is that it has God Mode so that I could
        quickly see the other 2 mediocre alternate ending cut scenes without
        a lot of replay hassle.

1/3     will bcs critics finally shut up?
        \_ bcs?  If I knew what bcs is I might be willing to shutup.
           \_ You don't know what a BCS is? It's a TLA.
           \_ Bowl Championship Series. College football thing.

12/26   What is the best way to make a Linux game (xlander) run slower?
        \_ hit the turbo button on your 386
            \_ on a pentium.
        \_ Change the program so that it doesn't run faster if it gets extra CPU
           time.  Use the Source, Luke!

11/24   Hey, I missed the big game (projects), is there any way I can
        watch the game online?  I can't even find clips...
        \_ whiny liberal scum!
          \_ It's John Ashcroft!  He's found me out!

11/23   Why is your stupid article about Pelosi and how
        she's responsible for high housing prices in SF
        more important than my Big Game article?
        And why the hell are you battling with me for
        control of the motd at 11PM on a Saturday night?
        Who the heck are you? - danh
        \_ It's probably the same whiny shithead that was insistent about
           claiming "all football players are rapists" was a refined debate
           tactic.
           \_ No, it isn't.  And that 'idiot' claimed no such thing.  You're
              a moron.  If you're going to use direct quotes at least put in
              the 5 seconds required to dig up what someone actually said.
              Yet another blazing idiot disgraces the motd (that's you, btw)
              and doesn't even see his own hypocritical stupidity.  Learn to
              read and then return.
              \_ If it makes you feel good about yourself to believe that,
                 then go for it.  You're still an idiot, though.  Just like
                 that other self-styled debate 'expert'.
                 \_ Both (all three?) of you have already lost. -pld
              \_ Ten to One says the message above was by the same idiot.

11/21   For Cal football games, can you sit anywhere in your assigned section
        or must you sit in your assigned seat?  Is seating first come/first
        serve?
        \_ Know you nothing, grasshoppa?  This is Cal.  You have an assigned
           number.  Use appropriately or they'll send a dorm health worker
           around to show you how.
        \_ The student section is general admission, the rest is assigned
           seating.  In most cases, you can move around a fair amount, but
           not so much for the Big Game.

11/20 If you want to know about "The Play", go to http://espn.com. It's the front
       page article atm.
         \_ Cal is gonna lose. In the history of my paying attention to Cal
            football they never won so why now? They'll choke.
          \_ So *you're* the one.  Stop watching so's we can win, would you?
       \_ The articles said there was only four seconds left, yet the run
          before the touchdown in the video clip seemed to last a lot longer.
          Why?
          \_ The last play of the game can be as long as it wants, as long
               as it starts before time runs out. They could be running for
               an hour and it'd still count.
       \_ SJ Mercury had a sidebar where they showed the play was illegal
          to begin with, claimed that there was a forward lateral, and claimed
          that someone was already down.  Must be a stanfurd grad.
          \_ The call always stands despite video in Pro Basketball also.
             I remember Clippers vs. Spurs 1989, Charles Smith hit a last
             second shot 2 feet behind the 3 point line that was called as
             a 2 pointer.  The fact he landed *after* shooting in front of
             the line was missed by the officials.  They lost by a point.
             If video could undo a game after the fact, people would not go.
             \_ Actually basketball is doing some instant replay officiating
                now.  But certainly college football wasn't, then or now.
                In any case, there are no forward laterals--it is easy to
                ascertain this from the video replay.  It is not so easy
                to ascertain whether Garner's knee touched down before he
                pitched it to Rodgers, but it appears that his leg is on
                top of a Stanford player's leg.  By today's NFL replay
                rules, the call made on the field would definitely stand.
                In addition, Stanford was penalized for illegal participation
                (for the players and the band on the field), and the penalty
                at the time for illegal participation was to award the other
                team a touchdown.  -tom
                \_ Didn't the band come on the field only after
                   (they thought) his knee went down?  In which
                   case the illegal participation call still
                   hinges on that result. [ reformatted - motdformatd ]
                   \_ No, the band can't go on because they think his knee is
                      down, even if he is down.
                   \_ The whistle hadn't blown, so The Play wasn't over. -tom
                \_ one of SJ Mercury's arguments was that the formation was
                     illegal.  There were only four Cal Players within ten feet
                     of the ball before the kickoff.  The forward lateral
                     reminds me of the Music City Miracle play in the NFL.
                   \_ It would be min of 10 yards, and there are no illegal
                      formations for the defense.  Only applies to offense.
       \_ I'm still trying to figure out why any of you care about things like
          Cal football.  Any of the players would piss on you and rape your
          girlfriend for fun and then laugh about it after at practice.
          \_ When I used to hang out at my gf's place at Clark Kerr all the
             time, I would see some of the same football players every day
             and it got to the point where after a while they'd even
             acknowledge me on campus.  Clearly this means that they're not
             all bad, right?
             \_ No, how do you figure that?  Because they didn't beat you up
                or gang rape your gf in the stairwell?
          \_ girlfriend.  what is that?
               \_ for most of us, yermom.
          \_ I feel thoroughly rebuked. I apologize. Let me go back into
               my cubicle and discuss the latest Enterprise episode with
               all my Magic buddies.
             \_ Clearly ducking the issue.  Nice try but no points for that.
                GO BEAR!  WOOT!  Ya know, the phrase "football player rapist"
                didn't appear out of thin air.  Or maybe you've spent too
                much time in your cubicle?
               \_ don't we go over this every year?  and i thought
                  it was the basketball players. - danh
                \_ You are right. All football players are thugs and rapists.
                   There's not a good man among them. Thanks motd! --dim
                   \_ Yawn.  Take the grade school level debate tactics some
                      place that cares.  The rest of us outgrew this sort of
                      childish "take their point to the ridiculous extreme"
                      nonesense by junior high.  If you''ve got nothing to
                      say then don't bother.
                      \_ You obviously haven't listened to the Rush Limbaugh
                         show or Ann Coulter lately.
                         \_ Which still has nothing to do with anything.  Why
                            can't you make the simple effort of sticking to
                            the topic?  Don't bother posting if you're on drugs
                            and going off into la-la no-brains land.
                  \_ I'm a fan of rape.
                   \_ Come over here and sit on uncle aspo's lap
                \_ Or maybe you haven't watched enough football.
                   \_ This has something to do with the price of tea in China?
       \_ Did that Stanfurd quarterback Elway ever mention why he called the
          timeout when there was eight seconds remaining?
            \_ Yep, he admits it was a stupid thing for him to do. He got
               caught up in the moment.
             \_ How does the timing work?  What would have happend if Elway
                didn't call timeout at eight seconds left?  I don't know much
                about football.
                \_ Basically, he would've called it with 2-4 seconds left.
                     Then the field goal would've been the last play of the
                     game. Instead, the field goal took 4 seconds, so they
                     still had to kick the football back to Cal.

11/3    http://espn.go.com/nfl/columns/garber_greg/1453717.html
        ESPN writes about Cal Professor saying teams should go for it more
        on 4th down.
        \_ that's about a month old. but yes, it it interesting.

10/6    Merchants of Andromeda is a pretty decent puzzle game --pld

8/15    ESPN Classic is showing the 1982 Big Game again on Saturday, 9-11 a.m.
        Is someone gonna record it and digitize a good quality version of
        "The Play"?
        \_ What's the significance of that year's Big Game?  I was too young
           back then.
           \_ "The Play."
              \_ Five laterals and one trumpet player.
                                        \_trombone
           \_ The Play plus John Elways last college football game?
                The stanford band getting trampled on the field as well.
              \_ The best part is hearing Elway whine about Cal ruining
                 the end of his college career. Bwahaha!

8/5     A while back there was a commercial of a video game and it has a
        tank chasing and shooting at snuggles, the fabric softner bear.
        Anybody remember the name of the game?  I'm trying to find the
        commercial.
        \_ 3DO, Battletanks or something

7/10    I forgot to mention it yesterday, but Rod Steiger is THE most
        connected actor in Hollywood history, in terms of the Kevin
        Bacon Game.  That is to say, if you play the Rod Steiger game
        instead, the average path length is shorter than for any other game,
        like the Groucho Marx game or the Adam Sandler game. - cody
        \_ is that like an erdos number?
        \_ "was", not "is".  He's dead, Jim.
           \_ Ted Williams is still the last person to hit .400, even though
              Ted Williams no longer "is."  -tom
                \_ Well, he also 'was' the last person to do so.  Om.  -John
              \_ Well, it all depends on what the meaning of "is" is.
                 \_ *laugh*  And we have a winner!
              \_ Ted Williams is at 77K.
              \_ But, but...you wouldn't say "g. washington IS the first pres",
                 you'd say "g. washington was the first US pres." right?
                \_ maybe.. the fact of this presidency being first does not
                        change with time so perhaps "is" is acceptable?
                   \_ no, we always refer to dead people in past tense even if
                      their accomplishments are current such as first pres. or
                      fastest runner or most records sold, whatever, etc. it is
                      the living/dead status of the person that is being
                      tensed, not their accomplishment.
                      \_ It depends on the sentence and the context.  -tom
                         \_ no, it doesn't.  you may have heard that english
                            grammar has a lack of rules.  this is false.
                            the rules are specified by a secret, anonymous
                            body of CSUA members who let the rules be known
                            by motd posts.  these rules may never be broken.
                            \_ We are the MOTD Grammarian Star Chamber Police.
                               We took English in HS and remember most of it,
                               so we aren't taking any crap about "it depends"
                               from those who don't remember and want to make
                               it all up.  --MGSCP
                               \_ well, MGSCP, surely you'll understand that
                                  the sentence "Ted Williams *was* the last
                                  player to hit .400" is ambiguous.  It
                                  implies that someone else has hit .400
                                  since then and is now the
                                  record-holder.  Babe Ruth *was* the
                                  single-season record-holder for home runs.
                                  Babe Ruth *is* the single-season
                                  record-holder for walks.   -tom
                                  \_ We'll drop by with black masks later to
                                     explain the difference to you.  --MGSCP
                                     \_ Three demerits!! Tom is the founding
                                        member of the MGSCP.
                                        \_ Speaking of demerits, anybody
                                           remember that old arcade game
                                           where you drive around and get
                                           penalized demerits? I can't
                                           remember anything else about it
                                           because it was like 15-20 years
                                           ago and I'm getting old and slow.

6/28    Chinese Citizen first pick in NBA draft.
        \_ hello and welcome to two days ago.
           \_ not everyone pays attention to the NBA draft when it happens.
              \_ well, you gotta figure, if you didn't care enuf to figure
                 out where he was drafted then, you don't care now.
        \_ um, is he a decendent of the barbaric Mongolians?
           \_ this is the most politically incorrect statement I have
              heard from Berkeley people for such long time.
              And by the way, many Chinese has some Mongolian blood in
              them.      -- Chinese with Mongolian relatives.
              \_ Helloooo!  Wake up, son.  "Politcal correctness" is now
                 officially dead.  Taken a look at Mongolia today?  They're
                 *still* barbarians.  Get over it and move on with your life.
                 Sometimes the truth hurts, that doesn't make it wrong.
           \_ As opposed to that dumb ogre who plays center for the Lakers?
           \_ No, that would be me.  -- russian

6/26    NCAA puts Cal football on five years probation for academic fraud.
        http://calbears.ocsn.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/062602aaa.html
        \_ Not only did Tom Holmoe make us arguably the worst
           division 1A football program in the nation for such
           a large public university, he was cheating to get us
           there.  Just great.
        \_ As if the one year ban from postseason actually hurts Cal. It's
           like banning the Cubs from the World Series.
           \_ hey, the Cubs almost made it to the World Series.
              \_ yeah, just one time, back in '89 until the Giants laid the
                 smackdown in NLCS.
              \_ The cubs have made it to the world series before (I think
                 it was 1930 or so)
        \_ Cal should disband it's athletics program and not stoop down to
           schools that also accept dolts with 400 SAT scores. They are the
           reason classes like physics for poets exist.
                              \_ Cal should stop accepting students who don't
                                 know the difference between "its" and "it's".
                                 \_ D00D U R 50 R1GH7!
                \_ too bad you don't realize that 1)universities make lots of
                   money thru athletic programs and 2) good athletics brings
                   prestige to universities and 3) a university full of
                   gEECS would be more boring than you can imagine.
                   \_ I have read a couple of studies where economists have
                      figured out that at a large university, pouring
                      money into a sports program ends up merely contributing
                      to a vicious spiral of more alumni donations that
                      go to more sports construction that leads to seeking
                      more alumni donations, so if the goal of your
                      institution is to have a giant money sucking
                      sports program, that's great, but if you instead
                      want to teach students or conduct research, it's
                      not worth it.  But hey FUCKING WIN THE BIG GAME ALREADY.
                   \_ yeah, just look at CalTech
                   \_ boring?  As if you interact with those animals at all
                      anyway.  Fortunately for you sports loving geeks, those
                      sub-human rapist freaks only go to the same school as
                      you in name only.
                      \_ It's about being able to go to games, not hanging
                         out with them.
                         \_ Buy season tickets to a local professional team.
                            You'll see better sports from better athletes and
                           a Fields medal is, except for about 1000 people or so.
                           millions, literally, know about sports.
                            will have that many fewer rapist animals on or near
                            the same campus you're trying to get an education
                            from.
                            \_ more... or less?  I think you mean more
                               \_ I mean less.  If Cal does away with the
                                  idiotic 400 SAT scoring sub-humans on the
                                  sports side of things, there will be fewer
                                  rapists on/near campus.  I mean "less".
                             \_ I wasn't aware the football team was
                                full of date rapers, I thought that was
                                the rugby team?
                                \_ Who said "date rapers"?  I said "rapers".
                             \_ when was the last time a cal football
                                team member raped someone?  don't get
                                confused with the Oakland Raiders.
                   \_ Too bad you don't realize that 1) if money is the focus
                      of your life, then will be screwed  2) the prestiege
                      Cal could garner other than "our recruiting department
                      beat your recruiting department" is nil  3) who said
                      jettisoning the jocks means ONLY more gEECS
                   \_ 1) Cal makes more money via donations from Eng. alum
                         and the companies they work for and own than from
                         the sports program.
                      2) Nobel Prizes and Fields Medals bring prestige to
                         universities. A million superbowl rings can't even
                         begin to compare to a Nobel Prize or a Fields Medal.
                        \_ true, for the most part. but I guarantee you that
                           10 years of consecutive national wins in a major
                           sport (football or basketball) will earn as much
                           attention and, in turn, respect as will a Nobel
                           or Fields medal. hell, people don't even know what
                           a Fields medal is, except for about 1000 people or
                           so. millions, literally, know about sports.
                           \_ It's the wrong kind of attention.  Would you
                              rather be trying to form a career with a Cal
                              degree on your resume or a school with a great
                              football team and third world academics?  Yep....
                           \_ Right, that why schools like Nebraska, Miami, and
                              Florida St. are so prestigious.

6/7     A female company manager makes an employee shave himself and skate
        through Southampton city centre in a pink bikini so he could watch
        England's next World Cup match:
        http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_602658.html
        \_ This sort of misandry will NOT BE TOLERATED!!!
        \_ In Southampton, the guy raised 470 quid skating a circuit of the city
           center three times and it made the news. If he did this in Berkeley
           or, better, the city, I doubt anyone would even notice.
        \_ In Southampton, the guy raised 470 quid skating a circuit of the
           city center three times and it made the news. If he did this in
           Berkeley or, better, the city, I doubt anyone would even notice.
           [ reformatted - motdformatd ]
           \_ Sure they would. The headline would be, "Male employee sues
              female manager for sexual harrassment."
        \_ 1: this is from ananova.  ananova is not a real news source.
           2: if at all true: lawsuit, firing, etc and rightly so.
           \_ Sounds more like something that was said as a joke, and he
              took her up on it.

6/3     Is it my imagination or has the World Cup pool shrunk? What happened
        to Iran and Colombia, for starters? -- ulysses
        \_ Ireland beat Iran to gain entry in the finals. You have to
           understand that what is going on now is the World Cup finals.
           There have been something like a thousand games that lead up to
           the games going on now with the 32 finalists.
           \_ Thanks. The folks here have bestowed upon me a little clue
              as well.
        \_ Ya, we're at such a loss that Iran is not in the world cup. Here
           come the Ali et al. "Iran is a major soccer playing country"
           responses...
           \_ I don't know Iran's overall record but I do know about one team
              they beat... -- !ali
              \_ Yes, in '98 they beat the team that finished dead last.
                 Woo woo!
                        \_ That's not the point. So, would a lack of the
                           US in the world cup also create such a "loss"
                           in you?
              \_ Which team?
                \_ Iran beat the Great Satan in 98. - danh
                   \_ Ah, you mean the US.
                      http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com/en/011130/2/3dn.html
                      BTW it's amazing that US once won over England.  I
                      thought soccer started to get popular here only in the
                      past decade.
                   \_ At what?  What's this World Cup thing?  Yachting?
                      \_ it's that thing where every 4 years,  people from
                         all over the world go to your mom and bang her.
                         hence "world". the term Cup refers to the athletic
                         supporters needed after your mom drains the last bits
                         of jism from the contestants.

4/9     What was the name of the operation at the very end of "Spy
        Game" to save Brad Pitt? It involved the word "dinner".
        \_ Those with better taste in movies call it "closing credits".  Only
           the "closing credits" could save Brad Pitt's career from this movie.
        \_ Operation Dinner Out.  It was a pun on a similarly-named
                Vietnam-era operation

4/5     1982 Big Game on ESPN Classic tonight at 6 p.m. Anyone planning to
        tape it?
        \_ What's really sad is that this school has done nearly nothing
           since then (maybe a couple Nobel prizes, but that's it).
        \_ What's special about that year's Big Game?
           \_ The Play
           \_ Kids....  The Play is the only football event worth watching in
              the entire history of football.  See it.  --football hater
        \_ Can someone TiVo it, rip it full quality to avi/quicktime
           and post so we can all share the glory of The Play, since
           I don't own a TV or cable.
           \_ Seconded.  I'm sick of that goddamn 1 meg version that the
              ocf has.  Divx!
        \_ Sweet!  I'll be home in time to record the last 10 minutes, which
           is all that matters :)
           \_ Actually, even before The Play, it was reportedly one of the
              best Big Games in history.  Horseface Elway had driven
              Stanford downfield to take the lead, including converting
              a fourth-and-18 to keep the drive alive.  Then he stupidly
              called timeout with 7 seconds left instead of letting it run
              down.  -tom
        \_ They're replaying it Monday @ 2am according to TVGuide

4/3     Barry Bonds is the best position player ever to play the game
        of baseball.
        \_ Too bad he's a prick. Besides, this is motd. Who's Barry?
        \_ Why is this here wasting precious bits?
           \_ precious? i have yet to come across one bit here that was
              remotely precious.
              \_ Exactly.  They're all squeezed out by this kind of noise.
                 \_ Which still means I should've come across at least some
                    semblence of preciousness in my eight years here.

3/21    Jamal Sampson going to the NBA.
        http://www.bayarea.com/mld/bayarea/sports/colleges/cal/2907857.htm
        \_ Is anyone going to draft him?
           \_ yes, because he's young and athletic and has yet to prove
              that he completely sucks, he'll probably be a first-round pick

3/13    Black and White-- good game, bad game?
        \_ I thought it was boring.  Training the animal sounded cool on the
           box but it was too slow to learn and because it was doing so many
           things at once it was hard to train it.  Often it would do something
           I wanted and just as I was going to reward it, it would then do the
           wrong thing and I'd be reinforcing negative behavior.  I also did a
           fair amount of discouraging good behavior.  Sigh.  It was almost a
           good game.
            \_ I'd agree too. The whole animal thing is lame and annoying.
               fortunately theres a few levels in single player where you dont
               have the annoying thing.
               \_ I just tied mine up and left it there.
                 \_ but then it starves and passes out and goes back to your
                    temple untied.  And there's at least two points where you
                    HAVE to use your creature to continue on iwth the game.
                    annoying.
                    \_ Yeah but it's gone for a while.  And who finished the
                       game anyway?  :-)
        \_ Those of you who've played it, have you ever trained your
           creature to take dumps in the grain fields? My creature only
           seems to prefer doing its business near trees and rocks.
           \_ Sure, it was easy enough.  Tie him up in the grain field and
              then feed him by hand.  Praise when he dumps.  Whatever.

2/4     chiapet, what did you think of the Pats-Rams game
        \_ I here they're calling it the "Super Bowl" these days
           \_ I hear they're spelling it "hear" these days.
                \_ I hear they "should've gotten a Dell, dude" these days.

2/3     how do I watch superbowl ads online? http://adcritic.com went under.
        \_ Why would you want to do that?
           \_ Cuz that's the only reason yoo watch the superbowl, nutmeg.
                \_ I see.  I guess I had no reason to watch then.
        \_ http://ifilm.com ?
        \_ <DEAD>www.superbowlcritic.com<DEAD> - tien
           \_ This costs money!
              \_ Yeah, that's great! I bet you eat out for lunch every day.

12/16   Can anything be more embarrassing in football?
        A Kicker, after a field goal, celebrates, then injures his
        knee during the celebration.  He can't kick after that.
        \_ Two words: Garo Yepremian.  -tom

11/27   Can somebody id this puzzle game?  It's like a typical jigsaw puzzle
        except that all the pieces are squares and made of plastic.  You
        put the plastic pieces into a tablet.  If the puzzle has 16 pieces
        total then one blank piece is removed.  You have to complete the
        picture by moving the squares up, down, left, and right.  Since only
        one piece is removed, you can only move one piece at a time. It's for
        kids and varies in complexity.  I'm trying to get it for my niece.
        \_ Slide puzzle
        \_ http://www.slidingpuzzle.com !
        \_ it is also known as the "15 puzzle".

11/26   congrats to cal football team for a perfect season--don't expect any
        less.
        \_ whatchew smokin foo?
        \_ how is 1-10 perfect? now the detroit lions... they still have a
           shot at the perfect season
        \_ even in mediocrity, cal is not the winner

11/15   2 Big Game tix for sale.  Mail me. --dpassage
        \_ motd poll
           Cal will win, and I've put money on it:
           Cal will win:
           Cal will lose by <= 24 points:
           Cal will lose by > 24 points:
           Cal has no chance in hell:

11/4    Finally that idiot Holmoe announces he's stepping down as head
        coach.
        \_ When was our last Big Game win? '95?
           \_ our last big game win was in '94... but the last win against
              *anybody* was 10/28/2000.
              \_ we probably couldn't even win against De La Salle (best
                 highschool team in the nation)
                 \_ This is important?

10/23   In Football, if someone runs a hook and ladder, how do they
        allocate statistics for yards caught?
        \_Yards caught is based on the movement of the ball upfield and
        downfield on a pass.
        How the ball got there (in the sense of what route it took)
        doesn't matter. In a hook and ladder situation you've got a lateral,
           technically it was not a pass, but a lateral.
        and then a run, so the stats should reflect rushing yards, not
        passing yards. The yards are credited to the person running in the
        play.
        \_ what the heck is a football question doing here? i think you'd
           find more geeks here who do embroidery than watch football. oh,
           btw, i believe only the final receiver gets credit for yards
           caught. the first pass is not counted in yards caught since
           technicallY it was not a pass, but a lateral.
           \_ The option play this weekend (hand off to WR, he laterals to
              RB) was scored as a run by the WR, which is odd, but I think
              that might be the way the hook and ladder is scored.  -tom
              \_In the box score I see the yards seem to be credited to
                Canidate (the RB) not Hakim (the WR) - lewis
           \_ I think a bunch of sodans are closet sports fans. I know
              a bunch of sodans who have been outed as sports fans.
        \_ Only if they don't lose because they switched to Linux.  -John

9/9     wow, now i've seen everything:
                            \_ http://goatse.cx
        http://laws.lp.findlaw.com/2nd/967975.html
        motorola vs. the NBA.
        \_ Actually it was the NBA vs. Motorola, and it was news 5 years ago.

7/27    Anyone play tropico? Is it a decent game?

7/23    Anyone play Summoner? Is it a good game?
        \_ yes.  no.

6/16    Cartrain to sanjose!  8 ppl going to see Tomb Raider, 8 cars going.
        aww yeah.
        \_ you fools.  I crashed it (as in saw it for free) and still it
           was overpriced!  It SSSSSSSSSsssssucked!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111!
           \_ That's what I heard. If you want to see a decent movie
              try Atlantis. It was pretty good.

6/5     Jerry Rice is now a Raider?  [exclamation censored]
        \_ Well, he had to go somewhere since he didn't wanna retire and 49ers
           couldn't afford him. And he wanted to stay in the Bay Area, so
           Oakland was the logical / only choice.
           \_ The peninsula is getting too expensive to he's moving to Oakland
              where he could find affordable housing.
        \_ who cares? Unless you bet on the teams, sports is utterly
           irrelevant. - go lakers!
          \_ how can we bet on games when the referees cheat when they
          don't call obvious fouls committed by Shaq? special treatment means
          victory of course for the lakers, they are a bunch of cheaters.
                \_ shaq is a thug and a chump, but Kobe is the best player
                   in the league.  -tom
          \_ life is wonderful [thought police was here], deal with it
             \_ now that sounds like a good marketing slogan.

6/5     Jerry Rice is now a Raider?  wow.
        \_ Well, he had to go somewhere since he didn't wanna retire and 49ers
           couldn't afford him. And he wanted to stay in the Bay Area, so
           Oakland was the logical / only choice.
        \_ who cares? Unless you bet on the teams, sports is utterly
           irrelevant. - go lakers!

5/7       name the game:  runs on linux, 2D scroller with a spaceship fighting
          these big maze things with guns.  The only way to destroy the maze
          things is to shott certain nodes; their destruction unravells part
          of the maze, eventually exposing the core.  What is the name fo the
          game?                                   -brain

4/30    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/aponline/20010430/aponline165428_000.htm
        Some stuff about a new hasbro game with wireless builtin.  Your 'pox'
        attacks the 'pox' of any other unit within 30 feet.  Reminds me a bit
        of the old old old game where programs battled in "core" memory.
        Anyway, I love this quote:
        Child psychologist Diane Levin of Wheelock College in Boston said such
        products can be harmful. "The toy industry is getting better at
        concealing the fact that they're selling violence to children," Levin
        said.
        To be fair, though, the last quote is a different child psychologist
        saying the exact opposite.  :-)
        Frankly, I don't think it'll teach children anything about violence
        or their environment.  Maybe how to use their brains.  That'd be
        different for child's entertainment.
        \_ corewars.  loved that game.  <DEAD>www.csua/~paolo/corewars.tar.gz<DEAD>

3/10    hello, i don't watch tv much, but want to catch the lakers
        game on sunday.  does anyone know which channel and what time?
        thanks.
        \_ lakers suck. dumb (as in moronically low IQ) store bought
           money grubbing team with ungrateful fans.
           \_ please name *one* professional team that isn't "store
              bought"
              \_ lakers especially.
        \_ you can look this stuff up on http://www.tvguide.com

1/20    Game Theory class taught by Papadimitriou
        http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~christos/cs294.html
        Promises to combine algorithms, economy, e-commerce, and Greek lovin'.

9/17    <DEAD>www.rendell.uk.co/gol/turing_js_r.gif<DEAD>
        turing machine as a conway game-of-life pattern

9/13    Anybody been to an Olympic game?  I've heard that all the parties
        that goes on in the Olympic games are basically sex binges.  A chance
        for athletes to "mingle" after a game.  win or lose.  This is like the
        NBA where it's all about sex and money.

8/22    Looking for studio in downtown San Jose.  anyone knows the average
        rent there?

-/--    It wasn't here for very long before getting trunc'd, but for the person
        looking to teach programming to a 10-yr-old: http://www.toontalk.com
        "ToonTalk is a video game for making video games." -David Kahn, 10
        "It's an animated world where kids can make, run, debug, and trade
        programs."-Ken Kahn, David's dad and inventor of ToonTalk
        --mogul

8/10    A while back there was a commercial featuring michael jordan.  It
        wasn't about any particular product, just some basketball players,
        images of new york (or chicago?) and then michael comes on at the
        very end. I'm trying to remember the song in that commercial.  Yes
        I did check http://www.adcritic.com it's not there.
        \_ FYI, special effects from that came from the sample who did
           The Matrix's special effects.

7/16   anybody out there working in the game industry (for console systems
       and PC's) who has any words on what the job is actually like,
       in terms of both coding and graphic design/art positions?
       i already know that the pay is less than other jobs,
       but how enjoyable is the job...?
       \_ really depends on the company and you
          \_ i've still to find a job that i like so much i want to sit
             around for more than 8 hours.  i've heard that the hours
             are long, which is fine, but i've also heard that the
             the deadlines are extremely tight, so one guy i talked to
             mentioned it wasn't as fun as he thought it was going to be.
             \_ It depends on what your job is.  If you're hired as a peon,
                and you work for some big, icky company, then your job is going
                to suck.  Do not let this happen to you.  If you work
                as, say, lead engine programmer (or some level higher up
                than code monkey) for a company that treats its employees
                well, it can be great.  As a general rule the smaller
                companies are better, but too small == a lot of risk that
                you may never even finish a first game before the company
                goes down.  The main way to get a good job in the game
                industry is to have some kind of game-specific experience
                before you go in.  It can be something dumb, like a
                Half-Life mod or whatever.  But have something.  -blojo
                \_ I am sure jobs at small companies can suck too, isn't that
                   right blojo?
             \_ what game company?

6/19    Jobs available at Sony Computer Entertainment of America.  Learn the
        PlayStation2 architecture, meet lots of game developers, and write
        your own ticket in the game industry!  See /csua/pub/jobs/SCEA. -mogul
            \_ isn't this system "already dead" before it's even released
               in the U.S.?
                \_ You're funny!  -mogul
                        \_ No.  It's already dead.  Xbox is going to destroy
                           ps2 across the U.S.  Release it fast and sucker in
                           as many v1.0 victims as you can.  You'll need a new
                           job by Xmas of 2001.
                        \_ The Best scenario for the X-Box as a gaming
                           console is for microsoft NOT to lose their shirt,
                           on selling a unit which cost $50-100 more then
                           it should to manufacture. -nweaver
                           \_ uhh nick, we all know you area dumbass but I
                              just want to point out that the money is not in
                              the consoles.  The money is in the games.
            \_  in clear laymen's terms, why is it harder to develop
                games for the ps2 than let's say...the dreamcast.  the
                "difficulty" for making games for this unit is supposedly
                higher than the saturn, which was already THE worst
                nightmare platform.
                \_ It's not harder, just requires people to learn more and
                   think differently.  Take the job and find out.  -mogul
                   \_ Translation: you didn't release a SDK.  Thanks.
                      \_ You could look at it that way. -mogul
                         \_ Always have to have the last word, eh?
              \_ Supposedly it is tougher than the Saturn.  Mainly because
                 Sony didn't bother to develop any guildlines for the best
                 way to impiment a given effect. So apparently programmers
                 will get halfway through doing something in way X, when
                 they figure out they should've been doing way Y and have
                 start completely over.  (Note:  I can't imagaine the PSX2
                 is worse than the Atari Jaguar though, talk about
                 nightmare systems...)
                 \_ Sony put out a library for PS that developers hated.  They
                    said they'd rather have the raw metal and specs and write
                    their own libs; eventually Sony gave out the specs and the
                    games got a lot better as a result.  For the PS2, Sony
                    skipped the libraries and gave developers what they said
                    they wanted.  Unfortunately, they didn't count on the
                    number of super-lame PC programmers fleeing their
                    shrinking share of the games market; these are people
                    raised with DirectX, with no idea how to program a
                    graphics pipeline on their own.  These are the same people
                    who are complaining the loudest whenever they're
                    interviewed.  I was a PC game developer, and I made the
                    switch.  It's NOT that hard.  -mogul
                        \_ Hey, good way to do developer relations!!  I can't
                           wait to join up with an attitude like that.
                                --super-lame PC programmer staying in shrinking
                                  market
                           \_ I didn't say all PC game programmers are
                              super-lame... Just that there are a lot of them.
                        \_ Why not release a library to placate the super-lame
                           programmers, and also release the specs? Seems like
                           the right way to go, even if you accept the thesis
                           that only people that can program the bare metal are
                           going to turn out worthwhile games. -brg (not a game
                           programmer, or even a game programmer wannabee)
                           \_ That was my logic, and apparently it just
                              occurred to someone in Japan where
                              (unfortunately) all such decisions are made.  A
                              lib will be released shortly. -mogul
                                \_ So this is a heavily top-down org-chart sort
                                   of place good for drones but bad for anyone
                                   who might stand out?  Get a new watch after
                                   20 years of making the company millions each
                                   year?
                                   \_ This is just for what goes in the
                                      official devkit.  Sony treats its
                                      employees extremely well. -mogul
                                      \_ "Hi!  I am Dilb^Wmogul, loyal peon."
                                   \_ Welcome to the japanese way of doing
                                      business.
                                        \_ Microsoft seems like a great place
                                           to work... I'm sure they'd love to
                                           have you on the X-Box, and they're
                                           not very top-down... -interviewee
                                           \_ Microsoft is a shitty place to
                                              work and has an uncertain future.
                                              \_ Over there, they ride linux
                                                 and run bikes over with suvs

6/16    That's right. Man handle them Lakers!
        \_ go back to Indiana
           \_ You don't have to be from Indiana to root against the
              Lakers.
              \_ You don't have to be a front runner to root for a store
                 bought team.
                \_ NINERZ!!!!!

3/30    For your enjoyment:  soccer moms and statistics:
        http://www.nandotimes.com/noframes/story/0,2107,500187250-500250722-501265428-0,00.html

2/25    Looking for a used copy of Freespace 2 and Planescape Torment.
        Anyone want to get rid to the game sitting idle on their shelf?
        - seidl

2/25yet another dickhead's comments about a thread he decided to delete
      deleted.  fuck you.  that's a pretty lame way to be.  if you're going
      to respond to something, dont fucking delete it.
                                -not the orginal poster, and doesn't care
                                        about the original post

02.01   Vote for the greatest sports moment and insure that "The Play"
        receives due respect:
        http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/polls/sportscalls.htm
                -mrehrer
        \_ the poll is actually for the greatest call in sports, not
           necessarily the play or the moment.
                \_ I think it was that one handed catch off the tree near the
                   back fence when I was in third grade... oh the memories....
        \_ Is someone stuffing the box, or do we really have 50% of the votes?
           \_ i believe every time there's a 'most dramatic college play'
              poll "The Play" always wins hands-down
           \_ Yes.
        \_ Where is the (high quality) MPEG/AVI/MOV?  Of all the CS geeks
           at Cal, surely someone has digitized it and has it available for
           public access.
           \_ All I found was a sucky 3 MB Quicktime.  Does someone want
              to grab a tape and make a real capture?
        \_ Anyone from that Cal team go on and make an impact in the NFL?
                \_ Yeah, it was one of the guys who raped a chick during his
                   second, third, or fourth year, but I can't recall which.
                   \_ Ignorants. Wot about the guy who was convicted of murder?
                        \_ He's in the Football Player Rapist cell block since
                           there aren't enough FP murderers yet to have their
                           own wing, but they're working on it.

1/4     X-like game 1, or X-like game 2?
        \_ X-like games are weak.  Play Y-like game.
                \_ You clearly missed the point.
                   \_ What was the point?

12/29   Any Rose Bowl predictions? Stanfurd's Troy Walters will miss the
        game b/c of a wrist injury, it was announced today.
        \_ Who cares?  It isn't interesting and has no effect on the real
           world.  It's like asking about who might win the big Quake3 match.
        \_ Ron Dayne will break the Rose Bowl record for rushing yards.  -tom

6/9     Looking to trade a new copy of Starsiege: Tribes for something
        more strategic.  Preferably StarCraft/Broodwar, but I'll take other
        offers.  Won the game in a contest, but has never been played.
        -seidl

5/14    Internet game internship: /csua/pub/jobs/Skotos

333333 I just wanted to remind everyone that I have just fulfilled my
       chilldhood dream of making it past one million on the original
       authentic ASTEROIDS game with extra ships across the screen
       and plenty of style to boot.  Thanks.  --jnat

9/29    I understand that if you've bought season football tickets for CAL,
        you get a coupon worth $100 towards a pacbell cell phone. Anyone
        have that coupon and not planning on using it? If so, could I
        have it?                                                -- Marco

9/18    SWINGERS drinking game, movie quote server, and more.
        You love it!
        http://www.csua.berkeley.edu/~azarm

9/9     Any of you gung-ho eecs types want to try and help me fix
        a Gauntlet II arcade game? -ERic
        \_ Can we put it in the CSUA lounge when you're done?
          \_ technically it belongs to a guy at my work. I suspect it'll
             wind up next to wired digital's stargate game. -ERic
        \_ Did ERic get the Gauntlet II machine for his birthday?
          \_ no. -ERic
          \_ He got your sister.

9/3  Text mode quake - <DEAD>webpages.mr.net/bobz/ttyquake<DEAD>
     See screenshots. This is wrong. Very wrong.       - sagarwal
        \_ What this says is quake is nothing but eye candy with near zero
           game play.  If you can't enjoy it in text, you're not really
           enjoying it, your eyes are.
           \_ That's a very narrow-minded description of enjoyment, don't
              you think? Are my eyes not part of me? So can I say I'm not
              really enjoying the food I eat, my taste buds are?
              \_ But does not the fire also need water?  Does not the
                 mountain need the storm? Does not your scrotum need kicking?
                 -- beavis
              \_ No.  The whole "the graphics suck so the game sucks" line
                 is narrowminded.  "Quake II has the gr00viest grafx so it
                 iz D best gaime d00de!!!11" is the same thing from the
                 other side.  Whats wrong with playing a fun game with a
                 text interface?  If the game sucks without pretty graphics
                 then maybe there was never a game worth playing.  Just pretty
                 graphics.
                 \_ I never said graphics made a game. It enhances it,
                    surely, but Quake is definitely a game worth playing,
                    more so than Quake2, which has superior graphics. Heck,
                    Jedi Knight had far inferior graphics than its peers,
                    yet infinitely more satisfactory game experience, single
                    player wise. My point: I agree with you.
                    \_ Honestly: thank you.
                  of them all--netrek.  --PeterM
                  of them all--masturbation.  --PeterM
              \_  All computer games pale in comparison to the best game
                  of them all--masturbation.  --?
                  \_ masturbation pales in comparision to sex.  Oh wait, i
                     forgot this was csua.  Never mind.
                     \_ Ask saarp about that..

08/20   The Match Game!  Your celebrities are Richard Dawson, Mary
        Tyler Moore, and Charles Nelson Reilly.  "Hot Dang, them
        ______'s good eatin!"

07/27   what is the best combat flight simulation game out there for the pc?

7/19    MASSIVE ATOMIC WARFARE!  Warheads falling from the sky like rain!
        A judgement that will destroy the puny works of a vain humanity!
        It's coming -- AND SOONER THAN YOU THINK!  Don't say I didn't
        warn you!
        \_ Which theatre?
        \_ A strange game, the only way to win is not to play at all.
           \_ The game of Life?
              \_ The game of Global Thermonuclear War.
              \_ The game of Global Thermoundie War.
              \_ The game of Global ThermoNucleaUnder Wear
           \_ A good line but really this is more like "not losing" than
              actually winning.  If you had enough subs firing enough MIRV
h MIRV
              nukes at just the right moment....  We'd win that.
           \_ you're a hard man to find, professor.

,
        /csua/pub/jobs/Lloyd-Ritter-kernel -- schoen
        \_ I dunno, hacking at random doesn't sound very fun.
           \_ "Random" because I don't know the company or what the job
              entails. -- schoen

6/21    soda loser: "I am less of a dysfunctional corporate slave
        because I like soccer.  How about you?"
        \_ IRAN RULES, BABY!!           --azarm
        \_ Because of Iran's victory, the guy at Bongo Burger is
           giving out free humus to everyone who comes in and
           says Allah three times.    wombat
           \_ long live the revolutionary-guards/komiteh
           \_ It's more like "Team USA sucks, baby!!"

6/21    How the hell is soccer supposed to make it in the US when
        they can't even beat Iran?
        \_ US team whined too much.  What is it with "We would have won
           9 times out of 10" and all that stuff?  If they lost, they
           should swallow the defeat, go home, practice hard, and come
           back 4 years later.  Enough with that sore looser crap.
           No wonder the world doesnt repect US soccer.
        \_ IRAN RULES, BABY!!           --azarm

6/10 World Cup begins! Brazil 2 x 0 Scotland.   -leblon
        \_ it's 2-1
     \_ the Dutch will take it all this time around

5/24    What's the rare game piece in the Taco Bell Godzilla game?
        \_ a brain
        \_ cmlee

3/25    Are there any practical applications of Conway's Game of Life?
        \_ xlock
        \_ [ignorant babbling about the board game deleted]
        \_ A PC moria/angband/rogue/etc clone called ADOM uses it to determine
           growth for various plant life in the game.
           \_ Just saying "no" would have been shorter.
           \_ I thought there was some use for that and other cellular automata
              in generating pseudo-random numbers.
        \_ there's an encryption scheme based on a 1D cellular automaton
           called CA with a standing challenge to crack it
        \_ cellular automata are still an inspiration for some artificial
           life work.  And they're equivalent to Universal Turing Machines,
           so you can do math on Life if you want to go to the trouble.

2/6     The roguelike game omega has been installed in /csua/bin for your
        enjoyment.  I hacked in a ".omega" extension for savefiles and turned
        setuid back on.  Please report bugs to me.  -- cm1ee

2/05    The roguelike game omega has been installed in /csua/bin for your
        enlight^H^H^H^H^Hjoyment.  Report bugs to cmlee.  -- cm1ee

1/25    Game blather removed.

1/25    That was one hell of a game!
        \_ Oh shucky darn, I accidentally cleaned my room instead.  -- tmonroe
        \_ game sucked.  3rd Rock rocks!
           \_ game sucked, 3rd rock is the second worst show on tv
              (suddenly susan).

12/17   For those of you who are interested, you can open a hidden maze
        game(?) called "Hall of Tortured Souls" from the B95 cell in
        Excel 95.
          \_ http://haas.berkeley.edu/~aomizu/fun-stuff/tortured
              \_ http://terry95.alfredtech.edu/easteregg.html
                 http://weber.u.washington.edu/~davidnf/egg.html for more.
        \_ more details please.  (what do we do in that cell?)
          \_ http://haas.berkeley.edu/~aomizu/fun-stuff/tortured
             But you have to figure out the magic word to make the white
             wall disappear!  ;)  --yumin

9/28    Anyone have a ticket to the Cal/Stanford football game?  -gong

9/24    Does someone have a ticket to the Stanfurd game they will sell me?
        It would make me happy! -gong

7/22    Interested in pickup soccer sometime this summer?  Write to me
        if interested.  -caos

1/30    Anyone looking for a full time position doing Customer
        Support for a game company?  Email me -- pmcnab

1/5     There now is an e-mail alias for dissing all things related
        to the game griljor.  If you are interested, e-mail griljor-request,
        and I'll add you.  -eric

12/20   Great new ibm game Heretic (beta, oh well) in /tmp/heretic.zip - danh

1/27    Since the CSUA meeting coincides with Da Bearz game, does anyone have
        an extra ticket to spare? I am looking to buy one for an unexpected
        visitor from out of town. Thanks. -dim

10/10   -- Women's Soccer vs. Portland at Dwight Derby, 1:00 pm
              -- Men's Soccer vs. Air Force at Memorial, 2:00 pm

10/9    Time to fire Goobertson; what lousy play calling in the 4th
        quarter!  you simply can't expect to run the time out when
        your opponent can easily score 2 TDs in 4 minutes.
        It was not meant to be.  back to old Cal football.  forget
        the Rose Bowl.  watch arizona vs. OSU/PSU
        \_ 1) Get a clue.  If Bryan hits the FG, we win and Gilbie looks
         great.  If we recover the onsides kick, we win and Gilbie
         looks great.  If we throw into the end zone instead, we
         don't take any time off the clock and if we don't score,
         idiots like you would be second-guessing that.
           2) Our chances at the Rose Bowl are almost exactly what they
         were before: we need to win the rest of our Pac-10 games,
         that's all.  We *are* the best team in the Pac 10.  We *can*
         win the rest.  But if the fans are going to fucking quit
         just because the other team got LUCKY and beat us, we might
         as well give up now.  I hear they're accepting applications
  for losers at Stanford.  GO BEARS!         -tom
         \_ We're decent, but Arizona looks pretty good, too
         \_ It should be a good game.  We will win.
                  \_ Tom's assessment is pretty good.  A win yesterday would
                     have been very nice, but we haven't lost all our chances
                     to the Rose Bowl --- we would have to beat Arizona
                     anyways to get there.  We should not, under any
                     circumstances, throw the towel in an already great
              season.  - hob
              \jeesh, what a bunch of whiners. The Bears suck, they
        have always sucked and they always will suck. I can
        remember when we were happy to beat the spread...
        Go Bears!   -ausman
        \_ Hey, we did beat the spread vs Washington..
          \_ Look guys....our kicker sucks.....oh and
             Butthead here agrees with.

5/3     What was the result of the GB-LT game???
        I read rgn, no news.
        \_ Much DOOSHing, of course!
        \_ 12-8 LT, I posted a summary.

5/3     * No non game activites on Soda! *
        Those caught not playing angband, MUD, or some similar activity will
        have their account's removed.