Recreation Pets - Berkeley CSUA MOTD
Berkeley CSUA MOTD:Recreation:Pets:
Results 1 - 150 of 168   < 1 2 >
Berkeley CSUA MOTD
 
WIKI | FAQ | Tech FAQ
http://csua.com/feed/
2017/11/22 [General] UID:1000 Activity:popular
11/22   

2007/12/28-29 [Recreation/Pets] UID:48862 Activity:moderate
12/28   So I just got my 4 month old puppy and for the past month have been
        working on getting him to not jump on guests. We've been practicing the
        "ask for permission" game where he would have to sit and look at me
        before going to other dogs/guests (this works well when your guests
        are cooperative). Well one day I went to this petstore and this lady
        came up to my puppy WITHOUT MY PERMISSION and started playing with him.
        This totally threw me off guard, and she started screaming "no jumping,
        no jumping. You need to train him. Here's my card, I'm a trainer."
        First she ruins my training, then she tells me I need to train my puppy.
        I can't believe she has the guts to give me her business card.
        What a bitch! Her name is Lori Ann Spagna, Los Angeles Westside.
        Ph 310-273-5600, lspagna@thepetstaff.com   http://www.TrainMyCanine.com
        The front of her card says Dog Training, the back says The Pet Staff.
        Don't bother going there.
        \_ She is pretty hot though!
           http://www.trainmycanine.com/Images/spagna.jpg
           \_ Oh wait, maybe she was trying to get a date. SHIT I messed up.
2007/11/21-27 [Recreation/Pets] UID:48681 Activity:nil
11/21   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMXCuW9LDps&feature=related
        Why cats are so cute!
2007/11/9-15 [Recreation/Pets] UID:48587 Activity:nil
11/8    There it is, 9 dog breeds that bite the most. Boy, I hate dogs. I
        hate CHOW CHOWS esp., they're stupid and unlike many other dogs
        they'll bite without warnings. Chow chows are fit to be eaten
        but not fit as human companions.                -i hate dog troller
        http://www.trivia-library.com/a/9-dog-breeds-that-bite-the-most.htm
        http://www.resource4dogbitelaw.com/viciousdogs.html
        \_ Poodle #3. THEre It IS, proof that poodles suck, not just chows
        \_ The best and smartest trail dog I've ever met was a chow mix.
           And in any case, they're smarter than you.  -tom
           And in any case, they're smarter than you, kchang.  -tom
           \_ That's because mixed dogs are smarter. Haven't you ever
              heard of gene shuffle, genetic vigor, and diversity?
              \_ That is why I married an Asian woman -white guy
                 \_ Too bad that idea is false.
                    \_ Too bad you're wrong. Google for hybrid vigor.
                       Mixed species are beautiful and healthy.
                       Case in point look at mixed Hollywood stars.
                       \_ Fallacy. Case in point look at non-mixed Hollywood
                          stars. They are stars because they are beautiful
                          and healthy, not because they are "hybrids". They
                          are not mixed species either, dummy.
                          Look at some breeds of cats like Burmese. They are
                          smarter than the average cat.
                          Hybrid vigor is applied *when* a hybrid is more
                          vigorous. It's not necessarily true that they
                          always are. They simply can be, especially if
                          the parents are inbred like many dog breeds.
                          \_ All purebreds are by definition INBRED. Stupid.
                             \_ That doesn't contradict what I said stupid.
                                \_ I need to stop talking to stupid people.
                                   Damn I've been trolled.
                                  \_ Nah, you're just stupid.
        \_ I own a chow.  At first I thought you were just misinformed so
           I provided facts and anecdotes to help you over your confusion.
           But now it is obvious you're just a troll.  How about you stop
           wasting bits on the motd with this and find something else to
           troll about?  -chow owner, can't be trolled twice
                                      \_ Little do you know, you just were.
                                         \_ you too, idiot.     -idiot #2
                                         \_ calling someone on their trolling
                                            is not being trolled.  you're not
                                            the sharpest knife in the kitchen.
           \_ Dogs are dirty and leave poops on your lawn.
              \_ My chow not only uses the toilet, he washes his paws after
                 with antibacterial soap.
2007/11/8-12 [Recreation/Pets] UID:48579 Activity:nil
11/8    Are eunuchs able to have erections or orgasm? What about neutered dogs?
        \_ Dunno about dogs, but our male cat still tries to mount our female
           cats, despite having been neutered years ago.  -ERic
        \_ There are different types of eunuchs, so the answer varies.
2007/10/30-11/2 [Recreation/Pets] UID:48490 Activity:nil
10/30   I got a fucking pet as a present and I really don't want it. What
        are some humane alternatives to disposing the pet? This is not
        a troll. I'm just pissed off, that'l all.
        \_ Tell her to read this site: http://petgiving.com
           And if you got a cat, make sure to get How To Kill Your
           Girlfriend's Cat: http://petgiving.com/cats/hate.html
           \_ Nice site:
              "If you live in a ghetto, do mankind and dogkind a big
              favor-- save the money that you would have spent on
              guard/attack dogs and move to a safer neighborhood. "
              soda [201] whois http://petgiving.com
              \_ "You can take the man out of the ghetto, but you
                  can't take the ghetto out of the man."
             \_ train your dog to bite! http://www.leerburg.com/drives.htm
        \_ This is just a prelude.  Next is, "babies are cute, ya?"
        \- wow. start another motd soap opera. just out of curiosity,
           what kinda pet and what is your relationship with the person
           who gave it to you?
           \_ Her: kitties are cute ya?
              Me: Ya, sure.
              Her: SURPRISE here's kitty! he'll be a good indicator
                   of our parenting skills!
              Me: WTF? Ugh...                                   -op
              \_ just tell her if you were ready to take care of
                a cat or parent a cat then you would ask her to marry
                you
              \- er if your gf/wife got you some cats, i would suggest
                 this is a cse if her making a life choice without you
                 this is a case if her making a life choice without you,
                 rather than getting you a present.
              \_ Go ask your in-laws "kitties are cute ya?" and pray that they
                 say "Ya, sure."
              \_ Tell her you meant "shaved kitties" and she must have
                 misunderstood you.
              \_ ugh, my Brother-in-law got numerous pets with now-ex gf's. In
                 most cases he was able to send the pet back with the ex in the
                 break up.  However, 7 years later we still have his chinchilla.
                 I'd say put up with the critter for now, just make sure it
                 goes when/if the chick goes...
                 -ERic
                 \_ You know, I hate it when my friends/coworkers ask if
                    I want free kittens. "Ooops my cat accidentally got
                    pregnant!" I also hate it when people drop off
                    their kitties in front of my door hoping they'd be
                    taken care of. I hate cats that roam freely in my
                    backyard. In short, I hate irresponsible cat owners,
                    and cats in general.
                    \_ Has someone actually dumped kittens on your door step
                       before?  WTF?  Do you have such a gigantic cat herd
                       that this would seem reasonable to someone?
2007/10/23-25 [Recreation/Pets] UID:48420 Activity:nil
10/22   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNqUJCw79YQ
        Why monkeys are smarter than dogs (they ride dogs!)
        \_ If I watch this am I going to see a dog getting tortured by a
           monkey?  I don't want to see that.  Also, I don't think anyone
           has considered dogs smarter than monkeys in the last century or
           more, if ever.
2007/10/22 [Recreation/Pets] UID:48406 Activity:nil
 do the dog baby, cant ya do the dog. Cant ya?
 (Dog.)

 OOOOOOOH

 Yeah, this is a story of a famous dog
 For the dog that chases its tail will be dizzy
 These are clapping dogs, rhythmic dogs
 Harmonic dogs, house dogs, street dogs
 Dogs of the world unite
 Dancin' dogs
 Yeah
 Countin dogs, funky dogs
 Nasty dogs (Dog)

 A-to-mic dowaowog
 A-to-mic dowaowog

 Life on all fours
 when you're out there walking the streets
 May compete
 Nothin but the dog in ya

 Bow-wow-wow-yippie-yo-yippie-yay
 Bow-wow-yippie-yo-yippie-yay
 Bow-wow-wow-yippie-yo-yippie-yay
 Bow-wow-yippie-yo-yippie-yay

 Life on all fours
 when you're out there walking the streets
 May compete
 Nothin but the dog in ya

 (oooohoooo.)
 Why must I feel like that
 Oh, why must I chase the cat

 Life on all fours
 when you're out there walking the streets
 May compete
 Nothin but the dog in ya

 Ruff
 Ruff
 Ruff

 Why must I feel like that
 Why must I chase the cat
 Nothin but the dog in me

 Why must I feel like that
 Why must I chase the cat
 Nothin but the dog in me

 Why must I feel like that
 Why must I chase the cat
 Nothin but the dog in me

 Why must I feel like that
 Why must I chase the cat
 Nothin but the dog in me

 Do the dogcatcher, dogcatcher
 Do the dogcatcher
 Do the dogcatcher, dogcatcher
 Do the dogcatcher

 Do the dogcatcher, baby, do the dogcatcher
 Ooh

 Why must I feel like that
 Why must I chase the cat
 Nothin but the dog in me

 Why must I feel like that
 Why must I chase the cat
 Nothin but the dog in me

 Bow-wow-yippie-yo-yippie-yeah
 Bow-wow-wow-yippie-yo-yippie-yeah
 Bow-wow-yippie-yo-yippie-yeah

 Just walkin the dog
 Oh, atomic dog

 Futuristic bow-wow

 Ruff

 Leader of the pack
 Wild dog

 Why must I feel like that
 Why must I chase the cat
 Just the dog in me
 Nothin but the dog in me

 Why must I feel like that
 Why must I chase the cat
 Just the dog in me
 Nothin but the dog in me

 Why must I feel like that
 Why must I chase the cat
 The dog in me (Dog in me)
 The dog is in me (Dog in me)

 Do the dogcatcher, dogcatcher
 Do the dogcatcher
 Do you wanna do the dogcatcher
 Well, baby, why don¡¯t you do it again for me

 Dogcatcher, dogcatcher
 Do the dogcatcher

 House-trained dogs
 Wild dogs
 Say it again

 Why must I feel like that
 Why
2017/11/22 [General] UID:1000 Activity:popular
11/22   

2007/10/20-24 [Computer/SW/Languages/Perl, Recreation/Pets, Computer/SW/Languages/Misc] UID:48397 Activity:nil
10/19   I'm the op who threatened to delete dog posts using my super
        script. I didn't actually write one, but I did trick you guys
        into posting dog shit amonst others. Boy, that was fun!!!
        \_ POODLE!  (super script?  It's a few lines of perl... ARF!)  Maybe
           you need a nice lab: someone who can keep up with you.
2007/10/19 [Recreation/Pets] UID:48392 Activity:nil
10/19   Today is unofficially Motd Poodle Day!  Put Poodles everywhere!
2007/10/19-24 [Recreation/Pets] UID:48391 Activity:low
10/19   I don't particularly like dogs.  Nope, not poodles, labs, or any other
        dog.  Will this get deleted?
        \_ How can you not like dogs?  They're very tasty when properly
           prepared!
           \_ Really, I found mine bland.  Perhaps it wasn't prepared
              correctly.
        \_ No, because trolls last the longest on the motd.  I give this one
           at least until Monday COB.
        \_ Ever tried poodle?
           \_ Grows too slowly, too skinny, too high maintenance. Not a
              good livestock to keep. Chow Chows are superier as livestocks.
              Fast growth, low maintenance, moderately tender meat and
              is the #1 choice of dog meat lovers.
2007/10/18-19 [Recreation/Pets] UID:48364 Activity:moderate
10/16   Hey reiffin, why are you such a fuck tard?
        \_ He can't help it, it's in his nature.
        \_ What did reiffin do?
           \_ I deleted a bunch of old crap from the motd that no one had
              touched in days.  That is the first time I've ever been called
              a 'fuck tard'.  Do I get a medal?  Maybe if I swore like a
              gradeschooler about silly stuff I could be cool, too.  How can
              I be as cool as the op?
              \_ I wish you'd delete the stupid poodle crap.
              I be as cool as the op?           !reiffin
              I be as cool as the op? [usually someone adds my name to
              something I didn't write. now someone is saying I didn't write
              something I did.  you need to work on your scripts.]
              \_ I wish you'd delete your fucking stupid poodle crap.
              \_ I wish you'd delete the fucking stupid poodle crap.
                 \_ Poodle crap deleted.  It'll be back in minutes.
                 \_ It's the motd.  If we want to talk about poodles, we will.
                    Don't read it if you don't like it, or better yet, post
                    something more interesting.  "If you can't do, teach, if
                    you can't teach, criticise."
                    \_ motd censor deletes anything interesting.
        \_ Hey op, don't you know fucktard is one word not two.  Jesus you're
           a fucktard. -dans
2007/10/18 [Recreation/Pets] UID:48361 Activity:nil Entry has been invalidated. Access denied.
2007/10/18 [Recreation/Pets] UID:48357 Activity:high
10/18   Dear sop (Scared of Poodles) guy, I'm really sorry that you got
        bitten by poodle(s) and I'm wondering if you could share your
        horror story with us, and how we can prevent from getting bitten
        as well? Thanks for your tips.          -scared of ALL dogs guy
        \_ It went like this: I was born, I lived to this day without
           getting bit by a poodle, then someone on the motd said I was
           bit by a poodle and was scared of them so it must be true.
           My advice: don't post on the motd and you won't get bit by
           a poodle.
           \_ moron.
2007/10/16-18 [Recreation/Pets] UID:48335 Activity:high
10/16   Are standard poodles smarter than George W Bush?
        \_ Yes because they're not as stubborn and bullheaded as GWB.
        \_ Why the obsession with smart dogs?  They're harder to train and
           get bored easily.  Bored dogs destroy stuff.
           \_ Actually, I have experiences with both smart and dumb dogs
              (poodle, beagle, dachshund, yorkies) and the smarter they
              are on the dog IQ list, the EASIER it is for them to be
              trained. It's a LOT more pleasant to have a smart dog that
              will be potty-trained easily, and it's a LOT more pleasant
              to walk and to go to places with smart dogs. You can train
              smart dogs rules and boundaries and they'll "get it" whereas
              dumb dogs require barriers and a lot more repetitions before
              they get anything. Dumb dogs like beagles cannot be trained
              to walk straight even after 100+ repetitions because they
              follow their nose instead of their handlers. It's a pain
              in the ass to live with someone stupid, and likewise, it's
              a pain in the ass to live with a dumb dog. Having that said,
              smart dogs are in fact more "creative" when they're bored
              and create their own things to do. But when they're properly
              exercised everyday, they're a lot more pleasant to live with.
              \_ Beagles aren't stupid.  They're stubborn.  There's a big
                 difference.  Ok.  They are stupid.  But they problem is
                 their stubborn nature not lack of brains.  There are plenty
                 of extremely dumb dogs, like labs, that are very easy to
                    \_ Labs are NOT dumb dogs.
                       \_ Like a brick.  Set up tennis ball tossing machine.
                          Fill.  Turn on.  Watch Lab chase tennis balls for
                          hours.  If you can train it to put them back in
                          the bin the lab won't stop chasing them until you
                          turn the ball thrower off.
                          \_ As opposed to what, stopping chasing balls to
                             write the Great American Novel?
                             \_ As opposed to getting bored mindlessly chasing
                                tennis balls for hours.
                                \_ And then do what, lie around waiting for
                                   someone with opposable thumbs to turn on
                                   the TV? Also, how is mindlessly chasing
                                   balls fundamentally different from playing
                                   Tetris for hours? Or Xbox?
                                   \_ Your dog can't turn on the xbox himself?
                                      Must be a lab.
                          \_ I'd pay cash money for a brick that could do that.
                             \_ How much?  I'll sell you that brick for the
                                right price.
                          \_ Labs come in 7 on the intelligence list below.
                          \_ That's pretty bright for a dog which will get
                             fat if it doesn't exercise a lot, which is what
                             the link below says about labs.
                             \_ Chasing tennis balls for hours is smart?
                                \_ That's the thing. A dog sees another dog
                                   on TV and starts looking around and
                                   behind the TV and the husband says
                                   "Look honey, he's so smart, he
                                   recoginizes another dog!" and the wife
                                   fires back "That is so stupid, he should
                                   know by now there's no other dog."
                                   To each his own man.
                                   \_ Actually when the dog responds to a dog
                                      noise on tv, I say, "I guess they used
                                      a real dog for that sound clip", but
                                      that's just me.  To each his own dog.
                 train.  Training is about attitude, not smarts.  I notice
                 all the dogs you list are very small and have personality
                 flaws.  Just noting.
                 \_ Standard poodles are considered small? Ooookay!
                    \_ Yes poodles have personality issues.  The important
                       thing in training is not size.  You missed the point.
                       \_ What kind of personality issues have you seen?
                          I haven't experienced them myself. Please share
                          your experiences, thanks.
                       \_ Standard pooldes are one of the smartest breeds
                          and do not have any personality issues that I am
                          aware of. Why do you think they are?
                          aware of. What personality issued do you think they
                          have?
                          http://www.csua.org/u/jqy (Petmedsonline)
                          Poodles are #2
                          \_ Poodles attack more people every year than
                             pitbulls.  They just do less damage.  Not getting
                             killed by a dog is always a good thing but
                             getting 'only' bitten is still no fun.
                             \_ URL?
                             \_ http://www.dogbitelaw.com/Dog%20Attacks%201982%20to%202006%20Clifton.pdf
                                Dog attack statistics (not maimed but
                                just "attack"). Poodle: 2. Rottweiler: 109
                                Pitbull terrier: 397. There ya go. Let
                                me just say from my personal experience
                                at 4-5 different dog shows and agility
                                and obedience/ralley, that I've never seen
                                aggressive poodles in my life. Maybe
                                your one experience skewed your bias but
                                still, it is a bias and does not reflect
                                reality.
                                \_ My one experience?  You're making that up.
                                   I think your experience with the super
                                   trained robot dogs seen at dog contests
                                   has biased you a bit.  Pun intended.  I'll
                                   go with the stats over the personal
                                   anecdote.  I do appreciate you posting
                                   them honestly though instead of trying to
                                   hide them or making shit up like a few
                                   others here would have done.  Anyway, I
                                   would not let the typical pet poodle near
                                   my kids.  It won't kill them but they don't
                                   need their faces bit or to learn to hate
                                   dogs.
                                   \_ What a great comeback. "Thanks for
                                      posting facts that indicate poodles
                                      are quite harmless (2 bites) but I'm
                                      still not convinced."
                                      Faith over facts. Great.
                                   \_ Oh you're so scared of POODLES!
                                      One bad experience and you're scared!
                                      What a fucking retard.
                                      \_ I already said I've never been
                                         attacked by a poodle.  You're simply
                                         stupid.  I don't know what else to
                                         say.
                                   \_ Are you talking about the standard
                                      poodle or toy poodles?  They have very
                                      different temperaments.  And to the
                                      guy who posted the URL, thanks--pit
                                      bulls are a breed apart and I'm glad
                                      no one will insure them.
                                      \_ I'm talk standard poodles.
                                      \_ The sop (scared of poodle) guy
                                         thinks they're all the same even
                                         though they're not. Toy/tea-cups
                                         are yappy snappy and get scared
                                         easily. They're the one that bite
                                         eagerly partly due to bad breeding
                                         and low self esteem, and partly due
                                         to bad owners (usually first time
                                         owners). However this is not limited
                                         to toy poodles but to the rest of
                                         the toy breeds in general. Now,
                                         standard poodles on the other
                                         owners). Standards on the other
                                         hand are confident, smart, scary
                                         smart and have been said to have
                                         the IQ equivalence of a 5 year
                                         old kid (vs. 2-3 for average dogs).
                                         They are intelligent, elegant, easy
                                         to train, obedience, and for 100's
                                         of years have been the favorite
                                         choice for those who want to have
                                         substitute kids and those who
                                         can actually afford them. Yes,
                                         I have a poodle.
                                         \_ Are you the same poodle-loving
                                            can't-read clown from above?
                                            Why are you posting such a huge
                                            amount of crap about a dog you've
                                            never even seen?  What's wrong with
                                            you?
                                            \_ I have a poodle, so until
                                               you provide facts that show
                                               poodles bite more than any
                                               other breeds in America,
                                               shut the fuck up. -pp
                                               \_ ah the truth comes out. go
                                                  read the url above to see
                                                  attack stats.  have a nice
                                                  day, poodle-lover-boy!
2007/10/9-11 [Recreation/Pets] UID:48268 Activity:low
10/9    http://www.chanda-leah.com/home.html
        The world's smartest dog with over 1000 tricks in the Guinness
        World Records belongs to...  a fucking TOY POODLE? WTF, I
        thought toy breeds are suppose to be stupid.
        \_ A lot of very smart dogs flunk out of guide dog training.  It
           requires too much attention to something that just isn't
           interesting to them.  Same thing for assistance dog training.
           Playing fetch all day long for the disabled is simply boring for
           the smarter breeds so a lot of them fail out.  The ones that are
           not quite so smart but still trainable and more eager to please are
           much more likely to succeed in these roles.  They aren't as fast and
           don't always get it right but they don't give up and serve well in
           those roles.
           \_ This is true with engineers. If you hire someone too smart
              for your code monkey job, he/she gets will get bored easily
              and jump ship or transfer to a more challenging job. On the
              other hand if you hire someone patient but not too brilliant,
              that person tends to stay a bit longer.
              \_ Why would you hire a smart engineer for a code monkey
                 job?  Of course the smart engineer will leave when
                 given a code monkey job.  He/she has better things to
                 do with his/her abilities.  It's as simple as right
                 tool for the right job.
        \_ Smarter dogs would refuse to learn tricks and still get fed, like
           cats.
           \_ You have a stupid definition of "smart".  Smart dogs do tricks
              so they can have more offspring--people don't usually breed
              cat-like dogs.  So it's:  want more chance of having kids?
              do tricks.
              \_ And you have a restricted view of smart, too.
                 Wanting to have kids is more instinctive thing than
                 "smart" thing.  When I watched "March of the
                 Penguins," I thought, "is it worth that kind of
                 trouble to reproduce?"  If a penguin decides to enjoy
                 the life it's been given without succumbing to
                 instinctive desires?  Is that a "smart" penguin or a
                 "stupid" penguin?
              \_ You're assuming that dogs want kids.
                 \_ Whether or not they want kids, they want to get laid.
                    \_ Then the smart dogs will run away before they're old
                       enough to get fixed.
        \_ Wow, this topic got stupid fast.  Really fast.
           \_ Actually, I find it interesting. Why is it stupid?
2007/9/23-25 [Recreation/Pets] UID:48155 Activity:nil
9/23    Heil German dog shrink postmen:
        http://www.buzzle.com/editorials/11-20-2002-30734.asp
        \_ fine owners of dogs who attack postal workers.  use fines
           to supply postal workers with doggie treats to use to
           placate aggressive dogs.  --jon
2007/9/10 [Recreation/Pets] UID:47968 Activity:kinda low
9/9     Dog breed intelligence (IQ):
        http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/4296/intelig.html?20079
        There it is, Chow Chows rank at the bottom 10 (4) whereas European
        dogs like Border Collies rank at 100. I've always known that
        Chow Chow's are stupid and there's an indisputable proof. Ditto
        with oriental breeds like Shih Tzu (11), Lhasa (13), and
        Pekingese (7).                  -got bitten by Chow Chow before
        \_ German Shepherd:  98, Golden Retriever, 97
        \_ I doubt Poodles are smarter than dogs like German Sheperds.
           Also, having owned a Golden Retriever, German Sheperd, and
           Doberman I would say that the Golden was not too smart, even
           though they seem to make good seeing eye dogs.
           \_ Full sized poodles are scary smart.  Miniture poodles, like
              all animals bred for only one characteristic, are dumb as dirt.
2007/9/3-4 [Recreation/Pets] UID:47878 Activity:nil
9/3     There it is, scientists have proven that chihuahuas are related
        to giant rats:
        http://www.watleyreview.com/2004/052504-3.html
        \_ Don't chihuauas mate with other dog breeds?  I thought different
           species can't mate?
           \_ It's a satire website. Kind of like theonion
2007/9/1-3 [Recreation/Pets] UID:47871 Activity:moderate
8/31    Holy )(*#)($# I'd never thought a dog would actually hump a
        cat but this video is indisputable proof that it CAN happen:
        http://youtube.com/watch?v=9GGuJS2IhTs
        \_ have you ever had a dog?  they'll hump just about anything.
           \_ Yes I have a dog, her name is Isabella and I've never seen
              her hump anything. Why is that o Mr. Wise Man? And what about
              neutered (eunuch) male dogs? Do they hump, Mr. Wise Man?
        \_ The other way round: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTEIp_g0GTM
2007/8/28 [Recreation/Pets, Recreation/Humor] UID:47769 Activity:nil Cat_by:auto
8/27    Dear crazy dog person, here's a funny comic for you (and for
        the rest of us): Cats are Democrats, Dogs are Republicans.
        http://www.strangecosmos.com/content/item/103262.html
2007/8/10 [Recreation/Pets] UID:47578 Activity:high
8/10    I just found out Vang Rhames' vicious killer dog is a Fila, a
        very "protective" breed that has a history of killing strangers.
        Filas were bred in Brazil to protect farms and to track &
        kill Brazilian slaves & fugitives. I hate dogs.
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fila_Brasileiro
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dangerous_Dogs_Act_1991
        \_ *laugh* Hi again Anti-Dog Troll.  Seriously, you've beat this horse
           to death.  You hate dogs, you hate dog people, you think dogs are
           filthy and stupid and smell and eat babies and target pregnant
           mothers and rob banks and suck people's souls while they sleep and
           are actively plotting to take over and/or destroy the world with
           Dogs of Mass Destruction (DMDs) since we all know dogs are the true
           master behind the Z.O.G.  Did I miss anything in your anti-dog
           rant?
           \_ yes cats rule.    -op
              \_ and for kicks I just read the first wiki article which you
                 flagrantly misquoted re: tracking and killing slaves.  if
                 you're going to troll at least don't misquote the links.
                 it dramatically diminishes the value of your troll.
2007/8/9-10 [Recreation/Pets] UID:47568 Activity:high
8/8     Did you know Islams hate dogs? Muhammad is said to have given an
        order to kill all the dogs in Medina because the archangel Gabriel
        does not enter a house in which there is a dog. Islam casts the dog
        in a negative light by emphasizing its impurity and often identify
        dogs as demons or minions of the Devil. Did you know most Muslims
        do not have them as pets? According to Sahih Muslim, Muhammad
        declared that he who keeps a dog except for hunting, shepherding,
        or guarding will have his Godly reward [for good deeds] reduced by
        "two carats" per day. According to Sunan al-Nasa'i, Muhammad
        commanded Muslims not to trade or deal in dogs. Muhammad said that
        dogs and donkeys, if they pass in front of men in prayer, void or
        nullify that prayer. Christians love dogs, Muslims hate dogs.
        Go figure.
        \_ dogs are fucking gross and you are breathing in a pound
           of dog shit every year.  fuck dogs.
        \_ fuck dog.  RIDE CAT.  or something
           http://youtube.com/watch?v=jtik5zN5m2g
        \_ Muslims hate a lot of things.
           \_ RACIST! Or, um, Muslimcist!
           \_ They only hate Christians, and anything Christians love.
              For example Christians love dogs, women, and freedom. By
              transitivity, Muslims have no choice but to hate dogs,
              women, and freedom as well.
           \_ So do Christians and so do Jews. Go figure, huh?
2007/8/4 [Recreation/Pets] UID:47533 Activity:nil
8/4     Hello, I think I've found a puppy mill and I'd like to report it
        to the authority. How do I go about doing this? The mill/broker
        is called Star Yorkie Kennel located in Encino, CA.
        http://www.staryorkie.com/home.html
        There are a few very obvious signs of an irresponsible breeder:
        1) They specialize in tea-cups, in multiple breeds. I emailed
           them about the lifespan of tea-cups (which is usually very
           short), and they simply side-stepped the question. Good breeders
           don't purposely breed tiny breeds, since they tend to have liver
           problems, thyroid problems, and sickly puppies in general that end
           up tiny. The average lifespan of a teacup is less than 5 years.
        2) Their registry is KDF (Korean Dog Federation) instead of
           AKC/Canadian CKC. I'm unable to find any references to KDF on the
           web site, nor can I google for it. Sounds like a fake registry.
           Good breeders use AKC or Canadian CKC.
        3) They say we cannot see their parents (their FAQ says "they're in
           Korea")-- good breeders are open and are happy to give you
           physical addresses for inspection.
        4) They take credit card and will ship the pet to you directly
           without any question. Good breeders will ask you questions to make
           sure their pups go to good homes.
        5) "I have puppies available all the time", "Puppies are
           available all the time." -- Good breeders take time to breed 1-3
           litters a year, and take time to socialize pups up to 3-4 months.
        How do I get the authority to investigate their business? Thanks.
        \_ http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=84519
           Crooks they are.
        \_ First and foremost, contact AKC. Look here for more help:
           http://www.columbusdogconnection.com/ReportingPupMill.htm
        \_ Check this out, they pretend that they're not breeders
           http://www.nola.com/forums/animals/index.ssf?artid=167283
2007/7/30-8/2 [Recreation/Pets] UID:47466 Activity:nil
7/30    Pet liposuction? Cosmetic testicle surgery? Root canal?
        Plastic surgery? $1200 collar&leash? Pet parties?
        Proof: pet lovers are STUPID.
        http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20024783
        \_ And in Japan, they're robots.
        \_ Hi pet troll.  Liposuction means they have misfed their pet and
           are taking a stupid way out.  Cosmetics for pets are stupid, I
           agree.  A root canal is not stupid if your pet needs dental work.
           Having a broken tooth or exposed nerves can be incredibly painful
           for a pet, just like a human and you're a bastard if you let your
           pet suffer for no reason.  Expensive collar&leash: got it? flaunt
           it.  *I* don't have it but lots of people with more money spend it
           on lots of things I wouldn't.  Maybe I would if I had that kind of
           money.  shrug.  Pet parties: we call this socialization.  Having
           your pet interact with other pets in a controlled environment is
           generally a good thing if you have a social creature like a dog.
           I hope I didn't ruin your troll by partially agreeing with you
           and rationally explaining the rest, sorry.
           \_ Root canal < put the animal away
              Unsocialized animal < put the animal away
              Pet insurance < put the animal away
              Lots of people are dying of famine and diseases and it's
              ridiculous seeing yuppies paying $$$ to save their dying
              *ANIMAL*. Just put the damn thing away.
              \_ Sorry, friend, but that dog don't hunt. (hah! I'm so funny).
                 Troll harder next time.  Really, it was a good effort but
                 way too obvious and hammer to the head.  If your final bit
                 was about how farm dogs are treated instead of yuppy dogs
                 you might have been able to pull it off, but the pseudo I'm-so
                 -concerned-about-my-fellow-humans thing falls flat on the
                 floor, nose first.  Your troll has been rated: C+
2007/7/27 [Recreation/Pets, Uncategorized/Profanity] UID:47455 Activity:nil
7/27    fuck you motd puppy guy
2007/7/27 [Recreation/Pets] UID:47451 Activity:low 66%like:47436
7/27    i hate you motd dog guy
        \_ Go fuck yourself.
           \_ I hate you.  and your dog.
           \_ Go fuck yourself. and your dog.
           \_ Go fuck yourself. and your little dog.
2007/7/26-8/1 [Recreation/Pets] UID:47437 Activity:nil
7/27    Why is this getting deleted? I need help with my giant puppies.
        Please.  Look at them.  link:tinyurl.com/2loacy
        It's been said that my puppies  should get LOTS of socialization
        from birth to 3 months. However, it's also
        been said that they should not play
        with other dogs until they've gotten their 4th shot at around 12 wks,
        or 4 months. How can I socialize the pup safely if it hasn't had all
        the shots before the 4th month?
        \_ Your not a "parent" unless you fucked the bitch yourself.
        \_ Aren't you supposed to socialize your dog with people?
        \_ Marinate. Cut into fillets. Barbeque over medium heat for 3 hours.
        \_ Take your dog to puppy training.  Usually after the 2nd shot your
           pup should be safe enough for that but ask the training place.  I
           liked Sirius for the all-treat positive-only training method.  If
           you live in SF, Berkley, Oakland, or there abouts do not not not
           not not let your pup out on public streets or meeting other dogs
           you don't know from those areas.  The rate of $disease_name_I_cant_
           remember_but_kills_pups_easily is very very high in those areas and
           simply walking through an area an infected dog has been is enough
           to catch it.
2007/7/25-26 [Recreation/Pets, Health/Disease/General] UID:47423 Activity:nil
7/25    Guess what I found a really really cool site! Now you can find out
        your dog's sire/dam (assume they're registered) along with their
        genetic diseases (OptiGen test, CERF test, HIP test, etc). From
        this you can [manually] generate a pedigree and find out if your
        dog is from inbreed/linebreed, or inherited disease, etc!
        Here's an example:
        http://www.offa.org/display.html?appnum=1266552#animal
2007/7/23-26 [Recreation/Pets] UID:47387 Activity:low
7/23    Dear fellow puppy parents. If you have those non-shedding fluffy
        hair type of pups, at what age are you suppose to shave your puppy
        completely so that it'll grow fuller hair as an adult? Also, what
        was your crate-training schedule like? Is it something like
        sleep sleep sleep->wake->poo outside->play->eat->poo outside->
        sleep sleep sleep->wake->poo outside->play->eat->poo outside->
        repeat 8 times a day? I'm thinking of taking an entire month
        off (plus maybe 1-2 more weeks) till he's maybe 4 months old.
        \_ ^parents^owners
        \_ "owners" -> "guardians" -> "parents"???  So now even "guardians"
           are not politically correct anymore?
        \_ DOG IS THE STANDARD TROLL!
        \_ Shaving won't affect hair later in life.
        \_ Crate training: the 'rule' is that a dog can spend no more than an
           hour or two at a time in a crate per month of life.  For our dogs,
           one absolutely refused to go in the crate at all but was really
           easy to train to knock to go outside around the corner to his spot.
           The other one loves her crate but we had a very hard time getting
           her to let us know when she needed to go out.  The carpet was just
           as good in her mind.  What we did was hang some bells from the back
           door handle, took her out a *lot*, like every 30-60 minutes all
           day, every day, rang the bells when we opened the door and gave her
           a treat when she came back in.  At night, one of us would stay up
           later and the other would get up early so she'd be crated as short
           a time as possible. After a short time she got the idea and started
           smacking the bells to go out all day to get her treat.  Over time
           we reduced the treat load and she stopped ringing for no reason and
           now she's old enough and has the bathroom concept down.  Repetition
           is the key.  One thing you *never* want to do is leave your dog in
           the crate for so long they can't wait and mess their crate.  Once a
           dog has broken their crate training like that you are hosed.  They
           won't mess their crate from the natural instinct to not mess their
           own bed area but if you leave them no choice they'll keep doing it.
           I've seen puppies rolling in their own filth at puppy mill places
           and pet stores.  Never take one of those home.  Oh yeah, most pups
           have to go sometime in the first 20 minutes after a play session,
           so be alert or just take them out if they've been romping around
           the living room.  Nature's Miracle for the errors.  Look up the
           Sirius method of pet training for an all positive reinforcement
           scheme that works with most dogs.
           \_ Most helpful post ever. Thanks. What's your login?
              \_ reiffin.  Feel free to send mail if you want to talk more dog
                 stuff.
2007/7/21-23 [Recreation/Pets] UID:47375 Activity:nil
7/21    http://youtube.com/watch?v=fbVqEn5UVxg
        Doggy pooper scooper WITH FLASHLIGHT! This is exactly why
        dogs are dumb. They're dirty and make you work hard.
        \_ The dog trolling is boring.  You can move on to something
           else now.
2007/7/18-21 [Recreation/Pets] UID:47333 Activity:high
7/18    Most popular dog breeds in different cities (smart city=smart
        dogs, dumb city=dumb dogs):
        http://www.akc.org/reg/topdogsbycity.cfm
        \_ In NYC, well educated poodles drink latte and capuccino and
           espresso, AND listen to jazz. Poodles are gay, and #1 in NYC.
        \_ San Francisco: Labrador Retriever.  Stupid dog.
           \_ I'm down to Miami and with the exception of Miami and Detroit
              every other city has Labrador Retriever as the #1 dog.  In
              Detroit it's #2 after german shepard, in Miami it's #3 after
              german shepard and yorkie.  Can't blame SF on this one.
              \_ Hint: the whole post is stupid.  The op didn't even read
                 their own page.  Do you actually believe that "smart city=
                 smart dogs, dumb city=dumb dogs" like the op said?  C'mon....
           \_ Is this some kind of troll?  Labs are very smart.
              \_ No they aren't.  They are very friendly, they are very willing
                 to do repetitive tasks, they'll chase a tennis ball for hours,
                 they are not very smart.  The troll is the recent spat of
                 bizarre dog related posts, probably from some evil cat person.
                 \_ Yep all dogs are smart. Cats are smarter!
                    \_ Pigs are smarter than dogs or cats, but aren't that
                       smart by being born tasty.
                       \_ It's probably less to do with being tasty and
                          more to do with being not-cute-enough. They are
                          probably easier to fatten up too (omnivorous) and
                          aren't escape artists like cats.
                          \_ Cats go better with ketchup.
                 \_ wikipedia disagrees with you.  wikipedia uses the word
                    "intelligent" on them at least three times in their
                    article.  You have no credibility.
                    \_ *LAUGH*  Ouch!  You made me bust out loud in the office.
                       Using Wikipedia of all things to say someone else has
                       no credibility goes way beyond funny.  Were you trying
                       to be funny?  I'll just assume you have a really dry
                       sense of humor and you win this week's Most Funny Motd
                       Post award.  Congratulations!  I am your #1 Fan!
                 \_ I have to agree with you entirely.  Once you've been around
                    a truly intelligent dog (queensland heeler for example)
                    you would never call a lab "smart".  Wikipedia is hardly
                    a credible unbiased source either.
                    \_ http://dogsobediencetraining.com/info/dog_intelligence_ranking_wiki.htm
                    \_ http://urltea.com/10pp (dogsobediencetraining.com)
                       Not on the list. Is this a common breed?
                       \_ Australian Cattle Dog is the breeder name.  They are
                          a little too independent to be considered easily
                          trainable.  Also they tend to bond to one person
                          very strongly.  They are the worst dog to have if
                          you don't have time to spend with them as they are too
                          intelligent to just sit around.  They are a young
                          breed.  Dingo crossed with Timon's Biter about 50
                          years ago I beleive.  Insanely intelligent though.
                          -scottyg
                          \_ Working dogs are all smart high energy breeds that
                             get bored easily and tend to have annoying traits
                             like trying to 'herd' you, other dogs, the cat,
                             and the kids if they're that kind of working dog.
                             Most people are better off with a happy dopey lab.
2007/7/17-19 [Recreation/Pets] UID:47317 Activity:nil
7/17    http://www.authorsden.com/visit/viewShortStory.asp?AuthorID=7277&id=20959
        Barker Brothers, what I love about suburbia.
2007/7/16-19 [Recreation/Pets] UID:47303 Activity:moderate
7/16    Sims Pet Stories from EA is out! Alice, a woman who faces financial
        problems and is about to lose her home. So she enters her pet
        Dalmatian into a local dog show to try to earn enough money to save
        her house.
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sims_Pet_Stories
        http://sims.yahoo.com/about/petstories/sams-park
        \_ Why are land-owners frequently portrayed as the villain?
           "The land-owner (who owns a poodle) wants to evict Alice
            for her selfish needs."
           WTF?
           \_ Presumably because the Sims target audience does not usually
              own property.
              \_ So why a poodle? Why not something meaner, like a
                 rottweiler or a pitbull.
           \_ It is pretty hard for a renter to evict someone.
        \_ I don't get it, why was this posted?
           \_ Sims 2 -> game -> geek -> CSUA.
              Therefore, Sims 2 -> CSUA.
           \_ My guess is because of the ridiculous premise. It's about
              pimping out your dog for your own personal gain.
        \_ Her house can't be worth much if a local dog show ribbon is going
           to save it.
2007/7/15-18 [Recreation/Pets] UID:47294 Activity:nil
7/14    Is it socially acceptable to name your pet after a person? Like
        Joseph, Michael, Jacob, Abraham, etc?
        \_ No, the only socially acceptable name for a pet is "Sex":
           http://www.snopes.com/humor/jokes/namedsex.asp
        \_ Why not? All of my pets have had human names: Fred, Holly,
           Geoffrey, Gerald, Gigi, Fiona. What do you think people name
           their pets? Fluffy?
        \_ Sure. It's also acceptable to name it after a deity, such as
           Apollo or Jesus.
        \_ The most popular name for dogs in Japan is John. No joke. --erikred
2007/7/15-18 [Recreation/Pets] UID:47293 Activity:kinda low
7/14    Woman Killed by Her Own Pet Dog. Chow chows rule.
        http://www.topix.net/content/ap/2007/06/woman-killed-by-her-own-pet-dog
        \_ Clearly, she did not establish herself as the alpha.
           \_ Chow chows and chow mixes do not enjoy being beta.
           \_ While this is true, chow chows are independent and aloof
              and behave like cats. They're not your usual dog breeds that
              behave according to the hierarchical status. The concept
              of co-operation has not been a factor in breeding the chows--
              they're bred for their looks (cute and fury) and for food.
              Chows have 25% bedience intelligence (meaning they'll
              respond to your command less than 25% of the time) and with
              a naturally dominant nature ("Hey *I* am the boss"), they
              are one of the most difficult breeds to train with. A chow
              pup requires 80 or more repetitions to learn a trick. Smart
              pups like [border] collie, poodle, lab, learn in less than
              5-10 reps; and once they got the trick they will listen and
              respond correctly 95% or more. TV shows will never show a
              smart and obedient and co-operative chow chow-- they nearly
              don't exist. Pretty yes. Bad temperament and low IQ, that too.
              \_ Why do you keep posting this made up stuff?  Did someone's
                 Chow snarl at you when you were 5 or something?
                 \_ !pp: chow's are dangerous, dumb and not worth owning.
                    \_ Great meat.
                    \_ "The strong-willed Chow needs an equally
                       strong-willed owner. They have definite minds
                       of their own and can easily become your master
                       if you allow it. Chow puppies are naturally
                       well-behaved, more so than most breeds. They're
                       seldom destructive or disobedient. Because of
                       their good behavior, many people fail to train
                       them properly. When an untrained Chow reaches
                       adolescence, that dreadful teenage stage all
                       dogs go through, he may refuse to accept your
                       authority. We've found that most people who've
                       had behavior problems with their Chows failed
                       to train them and earn their respect."
                    \_ http://petrix.com/dogint/70-79.html
           \_ I met a chow-mix owner one time and it was his 4th dog.
              He had laborador and german shepherd mixes and loved them
              all except the chow-mix, which is the laziest and dumbest
              dog he ever adopted.
                \_ From everything, it seems like Chows are fit only
                   to be eaten.  How do they taste?
                   \_ Like chicken.
              \_ Anyone who ever owned a Shepherd or a Lab wouldn't get Chow
                 if they had any dog clue.  As always, do research before
                 getting a dog.  Lab is a great family dog.  Shepherd can be
                 a great family dog if raised right.  Chow is a horrible family
                 dog but can be great for a single person if raised right.
        \_ If you watched the video, the dog in question has smooth fur not
           fluffy chow fur but let's not let facts get in the way of a
           sensational story.  A pure chow is too small to kill an adult but
           mixing a chow with something much larger and then dumping it in the
           backyard wouldn't be smart.  As far as dumping her dogs in the
           backyard goes, she should've read this:  http://www.dogsdeservebetter.com
2007/7/8-11 [Recreation/Pets] UID:47219 Activity:low
7/8     Dolphins are smarter than dogs & cats.
        \_ Thanks for all the fish.
        \_ Bullshit.  Try teaching a dolphin something any puppy can easily
           be taught: "sit!"
           \_ Here you go:
              http://us-p.vclart.net/vcl/Artists/Bradley-Smith/sittingphin.jpg
              \_ Ok.  Not sure what else to say to this but thanks for the
                 effort.
           \_ You know dolphins have been taught to do complex tasks, like
              disarm underwater mines, right?
              \_ Yes of course.  You're aware that usually involves blowing
                 up the mine on themselves, not cutting the red wire?  And
                 they still can't sit.
        \_ So are pigs.
           \_ And pigs taste better, too!
2007/7/7-10 [Recreation/Pets] UID:47210 Activity:high
7/7     Dear cat owners: What is it about cats you like?        -dog guy
        \_ dog: Everyone's equal except the master. Communism rules!
           cat: Fuck you and fuck everyone else. Libertarianism rules!
        \_ The cat kingdom doesn't have a complex social hierarchy.
           Likewise cat owners tend to hate hierarchy. They do what
           they damn please. The two have a lot in common.
        \_ Great apes and wolves have a similar social structure.  Most
           dogs view the human as the alpha.  Dog owners get a pet to fulfill
           the need to be an alpha in a social hierarchy.
           \_ Funny. Dog expert Cesar Milan says *most* owners are not
              being calm & assertive owners, and are treated by their
              dogs as equals or even inferior member of the pack. You
              can easily confirm this fact by the number of dogs that
              walk their owners (when the dogs lead the leash) instead
              of the other way around, and how unobedient many dogs are
              with constant barking and uncontrollable behaviors because
              their owners are not being calm and assertive leaders.
              In reality, most owners are *not* perceived by their dogs
              as the alpha. Sad.
           \_ I understand that. I like dogs. I like having a companion
              with whom I can share my social structures with. I'm
              baffled as to why people love cats. I don't understand cats.
              They give me no respect, and don't recognize any of their
              owners. They sleep 2/3 of the time. They're lazy, unmotivated,
              and they're slightly smarter than furnitures. In fact, they
              are moving furnitures.
                If my dog is 200 pounds, it is still my best friend. If
              a cat is 200 pounds, I become its meal. Other than the fact
              that they're clean and low maintenance and provide a little
              bit of entertainment (they're obsessed about yarns and
              strings and curtains), I really don't understand why
              people love cats but I'm curious and I want to know why.
                Thank you for your useless response.            -dog guy
              \_ You like having a slave or a wingman.  Dog owners measure
                 dog intelligence by how much of a beta the dog is.  (Back in
                 the old days folks in the South used to measure the
                 intelligence of black slaves in the same way -- by how well
                 \_ Well I have to say that the southerners did a pretty
                    bad job because many many African Americans
                    are anything but submissive.    -robbed at gunpoint
                 they followed instructions.)  You don't
                 understand cat owners because you have a lot of social
                 insecurity, so much so that you crave 'respect' from an animal.
                 \_ The ability to communicate is one trait that separates
                    smart animals from others. Smart cats can understand up
                    to 50 different human words. Average dogs understand
                    250 different human words. Smart cats are often said to
                    communicate with the human equivalence of 18 months
                    old baby. Average dogs communicate with the human
                    equivalence of 2 year old kids.
http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/Features/Columns/?article=catsanddogsdogthink
                    \_ Cat communication is more subtle and involving of body
                       language and expressions with eyes/ears/tail. I agree
                       that dogs are more attuned to individual human words.
                       But they aren't attuned to cat communication. If you
                       pay enough attention to cats you can communicate
                       enough. They will be more likely to respect you if you
                       are able to do this.
                       \_ Why would you expect dogs to be attuned to cat
                          communication?  Say what?  Dogs are very responsive
                          to human non-verbal cues and express plenty of their
                          own through non-vocal means.  What are you trying to
                          say here?
                          \_ I'm just saying that communication ability isn't
                             defined by understanding human words.
                             \_ Of course not but cross species communication
                                is a good indicator.
                 \_ Actually Mr. Freud, it's a lot simpler than that.
                    Obedient slave will do tasks that alpha slaves will
                    not. Economically speaking, beta slaves yield high
                    ROI (return on investment) whereas alpha slaves are
                    liabilities. Likewise, dog owners need to have beta
                    dogs to yield a higher ROI where their definition
                    of investment is time/training/vets vs. how much
                    fun it is to be with their dogs. From what you're
                    saying the only ROI dog owners want is a psychological
                    need to feel superior, which may be true for some
                    dog owners but is certainly not a universal need for
                    all dog owners. Many dog owners are just as
                    content having cats around for companionship.
                 \_ Your comments were insightful and I thought it was
                    going to lead to a logical conclusion, but alas, it's
                    just the usual motd ad-hominem
                    \_ Sometimes an insult is the logical conclusion.  The
                       OP started the thread to try to troll cat owners --
                       he got exactly what he deserved.
                       he got exactly what he deserved.  What's funny is
                       a typical cat owner would find the original comment
                       of 'wanting to be an alpha' insulting, but I think
                       it's too subtle a jab to be caught by a dog owner.
                       \_ in general a generalization like yours makes
                          you appear to be a person who likes to generalize.
                       \_ What's up with the giant trollish net you're
                          tossing over all dog owners?  It's kind of hard to
                          respond to someone in a serious way who makes such
                          grandly sweeping trollish statements.
                          \_ I don't know about you, but I stopped taking this
                             thread seriously after OP's first response.
                             \_ It's the motd, none of it is serious.  With
                                that in mind, I just wanted to point out the
                                giant hand waving trolling sweeping over-
                                generalisation since it went beyond motd norms.
                                \_ I don't think the motd can survive without
                                   your observational skills.  Thanks!
                                   \_ No problem, I'm here for you, Brother!
            \_ Cats are beautiful creatures that still have a lot of the
               \_ beautiful as in "wow I love the color and the fur, let
                  me put on Gucci decorations and make it cuter!" or
                  beautiful as in "it moves with god given grace" ?
                  \_ Graceful, agile, and overall attractive. They seem
                     to be very proud animals.
               wild in them. They *do* recognize their owners and they can
               be very loving. They are small and clean and don't smell
               bad, like dogs do. I've had both as pets and while I grant
               that it's better to have a dog sometimes (e.g. for
               security) as pets I far prefer cats. I think cats are
               smarter than dogs are, btw.
               \_ I'm still not hearing a single specific about any case
                  where cats are smarter than dogs in any way.
                  \_ Let me guess, you're a dog owner?          -pp
                     \_ I've had both.  Going to answer the question or keep
                        attacking at a personal level?  What is 'smarter'
                        about cats?
               \_ In a 1:1 match the cat wins hands down. Cats have better
                  agility and faster reaction time. They're born with
                  better survival instincts and individual hunting instincts.
                  They track targets well, hide better, and attack only
                  when they're in an advantageous position. In an even
                  n:n match where n is greater than say, 5, a pack of dogs
                  wins hands down. This is mainly because dogs learn and
                  adapt as hunters and are able to co-operate with
                  others. God built cats with faster CPU and bigger ROM,
                  but gave dogs much more RAM.
                  \_ Where do lions fit in?
                     \_ Once again lions have superior hardware but
                        wolves have slightly better written software.
                        One on one, lions win hands down, but the slightly
                        better designed software will allow a pack of
                        wolves (5-25) to wear down loner lions.
                        \_ What makes it better? Packs of lions work
                           together better than wolves do. Go watch some nature
                           videos.
                           videos. -troll#319
                           \_ I've seen plenty of videos of both.  Both pack
                              hunt in pretty much the same way in everything
                              I've seen.  What have you seen different?
                              \_ I've seen them cooperating to get prey in
                                 ways wolves don't do. But whatever: if you
                                 say they're pretty much the same way, then
                                 why do you think wolves have better software?
                                                        -troll#319
                                 \_ I'm not the software analog guy.  I think
                                    it comes down to pack vs. non-pack.  Lions
                                    will do things like encircle prey, have a
                                    chaser lion spook the target into other
                                    waiting lions, etc.  So do wolves.  I dunno
                                    exactly what ways you're talking about.
                                    \_ Why are you replying then? I was
                                       responding to the claim that wolves
                                       are smarter than lions.
                                       are smarter than lions.  -troll#319
                                       \_ You've been chatting with me since
                                          lions were brought into this.  I'm
                                          still not mammals=computers guy.
                                          \_ uh? he was the one who claimed
                                             wolves have "better designed
                                             software" and my reply was to
                                             him.  -troll#319
                                             \_ Okey dokey.  He hasn't been
                                                here for a while though.  Maybe
                                                you're on the wrong thread?
                                                Try Google's New MOTD Maps!
                     \_ Mostly lazing around while the few females hunt once
                        a week or so on the pride's behalf.
                        \_ Sounds pretty smart.
                           \_ You mean "Sounds pretty lucky." They didn't
                              "think & act" to reach their status.
                              \_ You base this opinion on what?
               \_ So if I repeatedly put a dog & a cat in an identical maze
                  (at separate times of course), a cat will learn to
                  traverse the maze faster than a dog?
                  \_ Not really what I meant, but I've read that cats are
                     capable of learning tasks that dogs cannot.
                     \_ Yes like learning to climb a tree. SMART!
                     \_ Such as?  With patience you can train a dog to do
                        almost anything.  It probably won't understand why
                        you've taught it to use the vaccuum cleaner but it
                        can be taught to do so.
               \_ http://www.jeffrydwight.net/writing/catsarestupid.asp
               \- can you elaborate on your definition of smart?
                  \_ Capable of more advanced thought processes.
                     \_ You mean they're too smart to obey commands
                        because they know they'll get food anyways?
                        \_ Intelligence is domain specific.  The cold virus
                           is more intelligent in its own domain than the
                           entire human race.  If you define intelligence
                           as the capacity to obey commands then computers
                           are smarter than people. -- ilyas
                           \- Most scientists today will agree that
                              intelligence is defined as capacities to
                              reason, plan, solve problems, think
                              abstractly, comprehend ideas and language,
                              and learn. There is no doubt that the cold
                              virus is WELL SUITED for its domain (host)
                              and the cat is WELL SUITED for its domain
                              (jungle). I.E. the germ is WELL SUITED but by
                              no means INTELLIGENT for its domain. It
                              doesn't reason, plan, and comprehend ideas
                              but certainly its offspring variants LEARN
                              to defeat anti-biotics.
                              \_ Do you believe an observational test is
                                 sufficient to determine intelligence?
                                 (The Turing Test is observational).  It
                                 sounds like you don't, because you are
                                 appealing to the 'causal structure' of the
                                 mind as found in human beings
                                 (e.g., implementation: planning,
                                 etc.)  Blockhead doesn't plan, but some
                                 people would consider it intelligent.
                                 I don't consider any collection of cold
                                 viruses to possess 'general intelligence,' but
                                 I am not sure that concept is well defined
                                 anymore.  -- ilyas
                                 anymore.  The architecture of the human mind
                                 The architecture of the human mind
                                 has more in common with that of a cold virus
                                 strain than of Blockhead.  -- ilyas
                                 strain than of Blockhead.  I don't consider
                                 any collection of cold viruses to possess
                                 'general intelligence,' but I am not sure that
                                 concept is well defined anymore. -- ilyas
                    \_ Exactly what are these more advanced thought processes
                       that the cat has?  I've had both cats and dogs, often
                       at the same time, and didn't ever once see or hear of
                       my or any other cat doing anything smarter than leaving
                       dead things in the house as a gift.
                       \_ HOW DARE YOU question cats' intelligence! They
                          climb trees, kill pests, clean themselves, and
                          are self sufficient. Dumb dogs cannot do any of
                          the above. -dog guy pretenting to be a cat guy
                          \_ I didn't expect to get a real reply from a cat
                             person, so thanks for filling in.  :-)
2007/7/6-7 [Recreation/Dating, Recreation/Pets] UID:47188 Activity:low
7/6     The tennis star always keeps abreast of Mandy (Moore)'s movements.
        http://www.funlol.com/pictures/mandy-moore-boobs.html (NSFW)
        \_ You owe me 4 seconds of my life back.
2007/7/6-10 [Recreation/Pets] UID:47187 Activity:nil
7/6     If you're gonna get a dog, DO NOT get a Chow Chow.
        http://www.guardian.co.uk/life/thisweek/story/0,12977,1083409,00.html
        \_ Agreed. Not a good choice:
           http://en.allexperts.com/q/Dogs-701/chow-chow-2.htm
        \_ "Coren's study says Chows were originally bred as food animals.
           Who needs smart food?" I've actually met a few Chow Chow owners
           who got them as pups and were surprised at how lazy and
           aggressive Chow Chow's turned out, and their lack of motivation
           for learning new trick. In many cases they would defend the
           intelligence of their dogs by saying something to the effect
           "Well *my* dog is different, it's too smart to listen to
           anyone." In short, stupid owners own stupid dogs (or put it
           another way a dog's behavior is a reflection on the owners)
           \_ Chows aren't an aggressive breed in the sense that pit bulls
              are.  Mostly they just want to be left alone so unless you go
              out of your way to find and harass a Chow the Chow will happily
              ignore you, but sure if you go harassing the poor thing then
              expect to be snarled at.  Duh.  The deal with Chows is they're
              not social pack oriented dogs.  They will find a single person
              they decide is theirs and want the rest of the world to go away.
              If you're that one person you've got a great friend, if not then
              just ignore it and leave it alone and it'll leave you alone.
              Tricks:  their one person can get them to do stuff but they tend
              to choose someone who lets them alone in the first place so no
              they tend not to be a trick performing dog.  In short, they're
              not family dogs, but they can be really good for a widow(er) who
              won't inundate the poor creature with hordes of family.  I'm not
              sure where you came up with all these Chow owners you've known.
              It isn't a very common breed.
              \_ I lived in Asia. It's common there. Sadly, most owners
                 I've met buy dogs because of their looks (oh it looks
                 so cute and the color matches my purse!) and do not
                 understand anything about temperament, health, genetics,
                 maintenance, etc. Dogs are well behaved when their owners
                 are assertive and lead. Most dogs do not behave well and
                 bark excessively or have some neurotic behaviors because
                 the owners are shy or incapable. This is why so many
                 dogs are let go on the streets and end up as chows.
                 In conclusion, people are stupid.              -pp
                 \_ Like I said the other day, before getting any dog the
                    wanna-be owner should research the breeds they're
                    interested in and dog care requirements in general.
                    Chows are great for some people, terrible for others.
                    The same can be said for any breed.  For example the
                    dogs they train as 'assistance dogs' for para/quadra-
                    pelegics(sp?) are not the super whip smart dogs.  They
                    grow bored too easily or in some cases do great in
                    training but won't respond well for someone who can't
                    physically dominate them.  Assistance dogs tend to be
                    mellower, slower, less smart but willing to work for
                    their person all day long while the smart dogs give up
                    after a few minutes.
        \_ Very scientific.
2007/7/3-4 [Recreation/Pets] UID:47161 Activity:low
7/3     I'm researching purebred dogs. What does it mean when a dog's
        parents (sire/dam) have "Ch." in front of them? Like
        "Ch. Rosemary" or "Ch. Mercedes"? I'm guessing it's some
        certification, or a winner at the dog show? Does it mean they're
        genetically tested or examined for predisposition to diseases?
        \_ Ch = Switzerland. It stands for "Confoederatio Helvetica"
        \_ Ch == Champion?
        \_ Cheese
           \_ Praise cheeses!
2007/7/1-4 [Recreation/Pets] UID:47142 Activity:nil
6/31    Resident develops new breed of dog-like cat - the puppykat:
        http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2006/03/20/news/californian/31906192121.txt
        \_ Just get a chow chow. They like to play with their own tails and
           chase any little thing that moves and ignores most of your commands
           except the word "food". They're as dumb as cats.
2007/6/30-7/4 [Recreation/Pets] UID:47141 Activity:kinda low
6/30    People buying purebred animals often buy them at petstores and
        are contributing to the problem. ADOPT MUTTS DON'T BUY PURE!
        http://www.helpinganimals.com/ga_petstore.asp
        \_ Suppose every single person in America adopts a pet, will the
           problem be solved? No, because there will be more litters of
           unwanted pets due to negligence from new owners who fail to
           keep their pets indoors and/or spayed/neutered, and the whole
           cycle repeats. Adopting to solve the unwanted pet problem is
           like boycotting gasoline for a day. It doesn't get to the root
           of the problem-- irresponsible owners.
             I once adopted a pet from an owner who had unexpected babies.
           I thought solved his problem. Well guess what, his pet kept
           having unexpected babies. Adoption does not work. Punishing
           irresponsible owners does.
           \_ I wonder if you are willing to extend this argument to people
              having children 'irresponsibly.'
        \_ Meanwhile the rest of the world has bigger problems.
           \_ Agreed. We need to bring justice to all the evil bastards
              who had [oral] sex with his/her interns.      -conservative
              \_ Phew!  Interns.  I thought you were going to say sisters.
        \_ http://dogs.about.com/od/dogbreeders/a/why_buy.htm
           Buying from a breeder makes you evil?
           \_ Yes, and so does driving, and complaining about airline security
              and living in the city and why do you hate America?  -John
              \- that breeder link reads like a debeers ad.
              \- that breeder link reads like a debeers ad. strangely
                 "debeers" and "breeders" are just a letter off.
        \_ Buying from a puppy mill doesn't make you evil.  If you want a nice
           family dog, don't buy from a PM *or* from the local pound if you're
           in the SF area.  The PM dogs are very likely to be unhealthy because
           they breed for looks and there's a *lot* of inbreeding going on to
           get certain 'designer' looks in dogs.  The pound dogs are usually
           either abused or pit mixes, neither makes for a family friendly dog.
           Places like "Arf" provide the healthiest mutt and sometimes mixed
           puppies.  Breeders who have a litter every year or so from their
           1 or 2 dogs provide the best pure breed dogs.  Dog health and
           attitude aside, please make sure *you* are the kind of person who
           is ready for a dog.  Dogs require a *lot* of time, they are messy,
           they eat expensive stuff you don't want eaten, and they never grow
           up and go away to college.  It's like having an infant for 10-15
           years but furry with teeth, tail, and in need of more attention
           through most of it's life.  I'm a very happy two dog owner but I'm
           ok not being able to travel, spending thousands a year on vets,
           food, and other dog expenses, and I gave up counting total damage
           for each dog when they hit the $3k mark.  Research the breeds you're
           interested in before buying.  If it is a working dog it will be
           smarter than most other dogs but also be very high energy.  Other
           dogs require a *lot* of grooming.  Some breeds require human
           intervention while giving birth.  There's all sorts of weird things
           we've done to dogs.  Do yourself and the dog a favor and know what
           you're getting into first.  If you got a dog and gave it away or
           abandoned it because you were clueless when you got it, *that*
           would be evil.
2007/6/29-7/2 [Recreation/Pets] UID:47132 Activity:nil
6/29    Dear cat lovers, look:
        http://www.petmedsonline.org/top-10-smartest-dogs-in-the-world.html
        http://www.petmedsonline.org/least-intelligent-dogs.html
        Search for the word "cat-like characteristics" on both of these
        pages. Many of the dumb dogs have cat-like characteristics.
        Yes, I think cats are dumb. Sorry.
        \_ I love it when cat owners always give the argument "Well *my* cat
           is too smart to listen to anyone."
2007/6/29-30 [Recreation/Pets] UID:47128 Activity:kinda low
6/29    Romney mistreated his dog
        http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/us/AP-On-the-2008-Trail.html
        \_ Actaully, that sounds fine to me.  Dog had a carrier and a wind-
           shield.
           \_ Other than that it was illegal...
              \_ Actually no. It would be illegal only if it was "an
                 unnecessarily cruel or inhuman[e] manner or in a way
                 and manner which might endanger the animal carried
                 thereon."
                 From the article, it does not seem likely that the
                 putting the dog in a carrier on the roof of the car
                 was "unnecessarily cruel or inhuman[e] manner."
                 Also, provided the carrier was properly secured, it
                 seems unlikely that this would endanger the dog.
                 In any case, I am still surprised anyone would do
                 this and it would be pretty funny if this campaign
                 ended b/c of a 25 year old incident with a dog on
                 the roof.
           \_ The dog was litterally scared shitless.
              \_ You know this how?  Really the only info in the story is that
                 the dog pooped.
           \_ Probably the best time the dog ever had
           \_ It isn't fine.  In a wreck the dog is going to get smeared and
              wind shield or no the dog is still exposed to the elements,
              getting nailed with debris kicked up from the road, etc.
              \_ Uh, 25 years ago it was common not to wear seat belts.  If the
                 car didn't roll, the dog is probably safter than the people
                 inside.  And there was a windscreen, so it wasn't exposed to
                 things kicked up from the road.
        \_ Would love to see his campaign implode over this particular
           incident.  Romney, fucked by his dog.
        \_ I am a member of PETA = people eating tasty animals
2007/6/29-7/2 [Recreation/Pets] UID:47125 Activity:nil
6/29    http://images.google.com/images?q=miniature%20poodle
        Some of the white poodles have those pom-pom looking hair on
        their legs. Is that natural for white poodles or is it
        artificially groomed-cut?
        \_ They are cut that way, dufus.
           \_ Yes but WHY?
              \_ http://www.slate.com/id/2095247
                 History of Poodle's weird hairdos.
        \_ Poodles come in different clippings (cuts) and grooming:
           http://www.poodle-place.com/poodleclip.htm
2007/6/29-7/2 [Recreation/Pets] UID:47122 Activity:nil
6/29    http://www.netpets.com/dogs/healthspa/longevity1.html
        Miniature poodles live the longest. I'm going to guess they have
        rich owners who can afford expensive treatments.
2007/6/8-13 [Recreation/Pets] UID:46896 Activity:nil
6/9     Men tend to prefer dogs over cats because dogs are pack animals
        so men can lead as an alpha leader. Women prefer cats over dogs
        because cats are like babies and they grow up as independent
        individuals. I guess this is why many gay men love cats as well.
        http://www.listnow.com/helpingpaws/articles/article_245.html
        \_ warning: this article has zero content or interest.  NSFIP.
2007/6/3-6 [Recreation/Pets] UID:46840 Activity:high
6/3     Are you a dog/cat/no-pet person and why?
        \_ Cat person. Dogs smell. Pets make my life better.
           \_ People smell too.  That's why they need to be bathed.
              \_ Dogs smell like dog. You can't wash that away.
                 \_ People smell like people.  If your dogs smell you're not
                    taking care of them.
                    \_ My dog smells like Tide and Fabreze _at_all_times_.
                       \_ Don't feed your dog Tide.
                    \_ I don't mind the smell of people. I do mind the
                       smell of dog. Therefore, I don't have a dog. I have
                       never met a dog that didn't smell like dog, even
                       dogs that appear to be well cared for.
                       \_ You don't mind the smell of people?  You went to
                          Berkeley?  Walked along Berkeley streets?  Wow.  All
                          I can say is "Wow" and "so don't get a dog".
                          \_ I don't mind the smell of people who wash
                             themselves. I don't intend to bathe my dog
                             every day. I'm sure most dog owners don't,
                             even though they bathe themselves every day.
        \_ No Pets, allergic to them. Wish I could have a dog, but just can't.
        \_ If I pick up its poop, it should support me in my old age.
           \_ I'm with you.  You clean up after a pet for 15 years, then it
              dies.  At least a child has the possiblity of becoming something
              useful.
              \_ Or a huge drain as it becomes a crack addict and pregnant
                 for the third time at 17 and you become the active parent
                 for another generation while she's in prison for a few years.
                 \_ If they're over 18, you never HAVE to take care of them.
                    \_ You don't have to take care of your crack addict kid
                       once they're 18 and in prison but what about your
                       crack baby grand kids?
           \_ Get it a manager and put it in the movies and it'll support you
              now.
        \_ I've had cats but prefer dogs because as pack animals they're
           naturally inclined to adopt you as their pack mate and be your
           buddy than cats.  Some cats will hang out and like people, but
           plenty of cats are just living mobile objects.
        \_ My personal feeling about dogs vs. cats vs. lizards:
           Reward dog(HumanWork w) {return (Reward) w / CONSTANT}
           Reward cat(HumanWork w) {return (Reward) w / (CONSTANT*CONSTANT)}
           Reward lizards(HumanWork w) {return 0}
           Reward cockroach(HumanWork w) {return -w}
           \_ Hopefully your constant is > 1.  And has no units.
           \_ Well what is this reward? Display of affection, interaction?
              Even a fish can display some "reward"... for example fish
              can learn that you are the bringer of food and they kind of
              get excited and swim around when you go to feed them.
              So arguably that is a nonzero reward. And some of these
              creatures just plain look cool and are fun to watch or
              impress guests with, and may have a lower minimum HumanWork
              value than more complex animals to be healthy. Thus the
              Reward:HumanWork ratio could still be favorable. I find
              cats require much less work than dogs.
              \_ It is a personal thing.  Cats do require less work but most
                 cats return less than most dogs.  YMMV.
                 \_ Value is a partial order. -- ilyas
           \_ Thanks, that was funny.
2007/3/16-20 [Recreation/Food, Recreation/Pets] UID:45994 Activity:nil
3/16    Pet food maker announces major recall
        http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070316/ap_on_bi_ge/pet_food_recall
        "The FDA was working to nail down brand names covered by the
        recall, ......"
        I didn't know the "Food" in "Food and Drug Administration" includes
        dog food.
2007/2/23-26 [Recreation/Pets] UID:45804 Activity:nil
2/23    Best name for a dog grooming salon, EVAR!
        http://tinyurl.com/2p4r77
2007/2/13-15 [Recreation/Pets, Politics/Foreign/Europe] UID:45733 Activity:nil
2/13    "Dead pets give birth to diamond ring"
        http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070210/od_afp/britainanimaloffbeat
        Yew.  Is she sick?
        \_ Is that worse than keeping the ashes on your mantle?
        \_ It beats having blood on your hands.
2006/11/21-25 [Recreation/Pets] UID:45358 Activity:nil
11/21   Schrodinger's Cat:
        http://preview.tinyurl.com/y8pphs (http://www.acc.umu.se
        \_ I don't get it. Why is it funny?
           \_ Wanted 'Dead AND Alive'
2006/11/17-27 [Recreation/Pets] UID:45347 Activity:low
11/17   http://www.quantumpicture.com/Flo_Control/flo_control.htm
        The flo-control project. Science application at its best.
        \_ That guy has a nice view.
           \_ nice view of the cat?
              \_ of Puget sound (in the background).
                 \_ Oh I see. How rich do you have to be to live there?
2006/11/8 [Recreation/Pets, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush, Uncategorized/Profanity] UID:45273 Activity:nil Entry has been invalidated. Access denied.
2006/9/28-29 [Recreation/Pets, Reference/Religion] UID:44595 Activity:kinda low
9/28    God, what a depressing day.  Can someone post some lesbians so I can
        feel better?
        \_ Here you go:
           http://www.oceanlight.com/html/boobies.html
           http://www.rit.edu/~rhrsbi/GalapagosPages/Boobies.html
           http://tokyoahead.com/main/article.php/galapagosbirdsboobies
           \_ What a lot of pretty boobies!  Thank you boobie guy!
           \_ Better than seagulls, I guess.  --op
        \_ link:tinyurl.com/7wxd2
        \_ http://www.heaven666.org/celebs/Anna%20Kournikova%20Gets%20the%20Sand%20Out!/anna-kournikova-sandyvag3.jpg
        \_ Go watch Saving Face. It's a romantic comedy about Chinese American
           lesbians... and I feel guilty for saying this, but the sex scene
           was HAWT.
2006/8/4-6 [Recreation/Pets, Recreation/Media] UID:43897 Activity:nil
8/3     Whoo dog! Oklahoma family entertainment!
        http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5854686068870249151
        \_ That's almost as good as http://www.retard.com  -proud American
        \_ Redneck alert!
2006/8/1-6 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/China, Recreation/Pets] UID:43862 Activity:nil
8/1     County officials in one Chinese province decide to club to death all
        non-military/police dogs due to rabies outbreak.  Check out the photo.
        http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14139027
        \_ Why USA codemn mainland china for beat dog when Iraq Guataanimao
           no China USA brutal Israel@!
           \_ American care more about dog than they cares about non white.
                \_ That's not true.  As a proud American, I care deeply
                   about all black and Mexican women...at least when I'm
                   just about to climax on them. -proud American
        \_ I was going to make a dumb joke but that's just sad.
           \_ did you delete the existing joke(s)? that's sad...
              \_ No.
        \_ I love my cat, I club my dog
        \_ they should of use lethal injection, just like what USA does.
        \_ They probably deserved it. -proud American
        \_ Those filthy dogs deserved everything they got.  -proud Chinese
2006/7/20-21 [Recreation/Pets] UID:43743 Activity:nil
7/20    Infinite cat project:  http://www.infinitecat.com  -John
        \_ Would be appreciated if people could add more description to
           the link (like is it a humor site? is it a political statement
           site? is it a game site?) It'll help a lot of busy people
           here who don't have much time to check it out. Thanks!
2006/7/18-19 [Recreation/Pets] UID:43702 Activity:nil
7/17    On a lighter note, cute cats!
        http://whatjeffkilled.com (contains gruesome rodent remains)
        http://www.catsthatlooklikehitler.com
        \_ http://www.catsinsinks.com
           http://www.kittenwar.com
2006/6/20-24 [Recreation/Pets] UID:43436 Activity:nil
6/19    Protozoa that infects mice and rats make them attracted to cat odor.
        Reproduces in cats and excreted in cat feces.
        http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/20/science/20toxo.html
        \_ Same organism makes humans more reckless.
        \_ 50% of humans thought to be infected.  Linked to risky behaviour
           in men and promiscuity in women.  France has 88% infection rate.
           Draw your own conclusions.
           \_ Um, ok, so if I'm a lonely virgin geek I have a better chance
              of getting laid in France? If that's true, I'm totally moving
              to France.
        \_ so people who like cats are just suffering from an infection?
2006/5/26-29 [Recreation/Pets] UID:43203 Activity:nil
5/26    Alien image found inside of duck:
       http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/05/26/BAGVCJ28RM33.DTL
        \_ Nice:
           "Unusual characteristics are commonly on display among male
           mallards during the spring mating season, according to Travers.
           Their testicles, for instance, grow to three times the size of
           their brains, but they have never been known to sprout an
           alien head, she said."
2006/3/24-25 [Recreation/Pets] UID:42414 Activity:high
3/24    ilyas?
        \_ no.
        \_ hypocrite.
        \_ wanker.
        \_ [ilyas is] like the man that was bitten badly by a dog as a child
           and persists in believing that all dogs are evil.
           Best commentary on ilyas eVAR!!!
           \_ Apparently he has never been shot, then.
           \_ huh? -dans
           \_ huh?  Ah.  Guns.  Nod. -dans
2006/3/23-25 [Recreation/Pets, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:42396 Activity:nil
3/23    http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/03/22/doghandler.sentenced/index.html
        Abu Ghraib dog handler conviction
        "He also was convicted of allowing the dog to participate in the lewd
        acts of licking peanut butter off of a woman's chest and a man's
        genitalia." (Not off prisoners, but fellow soldiers, for entertainment)
        \_ Dog's razor sharp teeth + genitalia == Worst jackass episode evar!
           \_ A dog's not going to _accidentally_ bite you while licking
              peanut butter.
              \_ Uhm, either way, why would anyone want a dog doing that to
                 them?  Yech!
              \_ I beg to differ.  I think the dog would try to take a bite
                 out of what it's licking.  For instance, I've never seen
                 a dog satisfied with just licking a piece of meat - it
                 usually tries to bite a chunk off of it. -!pp
                 \_ dogs are experts at licking balls..
                 \_ Dogs know the difference between a hunk of meat and a
                    person.
                    \_ That's true in general...but once a dog gets excited,
                       the line often gets a little blurry, then Bad Things
                       are (much) more likely to happen -- especially when
                       you've mixed dog+genitals+food.      -!PP
                    \_ I don't think peanut-buttered dangling penises are
                       things a dog normally knows much about.
                    \_ How drunk would you have get to test that theory?
                    \_ That would be a great darwin award.
         \_ So this joker just magically got it in his head one day
            to "release the hounds"?  What about his superiors?
            \_ I think the way it worked was: there was a lot of bad stuff that
               happened that produced some sort of results.  The superiors
               didn't order or condone it, but probably rewarded the results.
               The people we're seeing are the failures who got caught.
            \_ Umm... "let slip the dogs of war"...
            \_ So all the underlings had spontaneous outbreaks of
               uncontrollable urges to torture inmates?  I still don't know
               how anyone prosecuting the absolutely lowest people on the
               totem pole do not break out laughing uncontrollably.
                \_ Maybe they used to be Wal-Mart executives.  "Here's
                   your payroll.  You can't actually run your store with it
                   legally, but that's your problem.  Be creative!"
2006/3/21-25 [Recreation/Pets] UID:42363 Activity:nil
3/21    What do you do if you see a stray dog/pet in your neighborhood?
        \_ aggressive?  call animal control.  friendly?  grab it and see if
           it has a name tag with contact info.
           \_ is animal control open at night or weekends?
        \_ If it is a cat, ignore it unless it is a total baby.  Feral cats
           aren't going to let a stranger get anywhere near them and if it
           isn't feral it has an owner.  Lots of cats refuse to wear collars.
        \_ Call your local Korean restaurant.  If it's a kitten/puppy, take
           it home (I never see kittens/puppies, they're too tender and get
           snatched up very quickly.)  -John
           \_ John, are you trying to be funny or are you trying to insinuate
              that Koreans are barbaric? Do you even know anything about the
              Koreans? I don't know who you are personally but I am
              personally offended. I am Korean.
              \_ No, I'm insinuating that Koreans eat dogs.  -John
                 \_ You're on my watch list now.                -Korean
2005/12/29-2006/1/1 [Health/Disease/General, Recreation/Pets] UID:41169 Activity:high
12/29   Damn, I can't believe I need a prescription for my fucking pet
        Are there any Mexican Vet Pharmacies online that will sell me
        some .8mg levothyroxine pills. - can't get throught the spam.
        \_ Unless you're opposed to prescriptions for humans, you have taken
           an inconsistent position.  Many of the medicines prescribed for pets
           are the same as those used in humans, especially painkillers.  If
           you think they should all be available over the counter, fine.
           But you can't just expect stores to sell prescription painkillers
           over the counter with a label that says "only for pets" and expect
           that to work.
           \_ And yet you can buy a lot of medicines at a farm supply
              (including some medicines a human would need a prescription
              for) that would require a prescription for, say, a dog.
              When a farmer needs to treat 1000 cows/chickens/whatever he
              often treats them all and without a prescription. The
              problem with shopping at a farm supply is that the
              concentrations are often too high to dose a single pet.
           \_ The law, much like life, is inconsistent. Deal with it.
        \_ Can't believe?  First pet?
        \_ My cat might have this, too. What were the symptoms of your
           pet?
                \_ sounds like his pet is hypothyroid, so it'll probably
                   be lethargic, tired, overweight, and slightly cold.
        \_ Why don't you just go to the vet. considering you know that
           your pet needs levothyroxine, I'm assuming you realized this
           because a vet told you.
        \_ http://www.inhousepharmacy.com/general/eltroxin.html
2005/12/1-4 [Recreation/Pets] UID:40807 Activity:nil
12/1    Hungry killer Russian squirrels rip a "big" dog apart at a park:
        http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4489792.stm
        \_ wow. over 24 hours old, and not a single snarky comment.
2005/10/7-9 [Recreation/Pets] UID:40022 Activity:nil
10/7    Do people name their pets: Michael or Jennifer?  - not a pet owner.
        \_ Why not?
        \_ http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22dog+named+michael%22&btnG=Google+Search
        \_ http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22dog+named+michael
        \_ Are all your pets named Eric?
        \_ Personally I'd name my dog 'sex':
           http://www.snopes.com/humor/jokes/namedsex.htm
        \_ Human names for pets are the norm these days.  Theories on this
           generally center around the way pets are more members of the family
           now and/or surrogates for children in many households.
2005/10/7-9 [Health/Men, Recreation/Pets] UID:40014 Activity:nil
10/7    Fake Dog Testicle Creator wins Ig Nobel
        http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051007/ap_on_fe_st/ig_nobels
        Apparently they are called "Neuticles."
        \_ What is a "testical"?
           \_ It's like a cubical.
        \_ This one makes me chuckle:
           PEACE: Two researchers at Newcastle University in England
           monitored the brain activity of locusts as they watched clips from
           the movie "Star Wars."
           I imagine all these little locust brains hooked up with wires
           and a big screen playing "Star Wars" in the background. Hilarious!
           I wonder if they are hooked up "Clockwork Orange" style.
           \_ You should have seen the activity go off the chart when
              cell phones started ringing and the popcorn ran out.
        \_ What is a "testical"?
           \_ It's like a cubical.
2005/9/28-10/3 [Recreation/Pets] UID:39915 Activity:nil
9/28    Here's an ethics question:  Suppose someone is a vegetarien for ethical
        (animal suffering) reasons, and thet also own a pet dog/cat.  The can
        either feed their pet standard meat-based pet food (and directly
        contribute to the death of more animals) or they can feed it high
        protien vegetarian food which costs 3x as much and gives their animal
        indigestion.  What is the ethical thing to do? (This is purely abstract)
        \_ Cats are carnivores, and can't survive a vegetarian diet.  Dogs
           can, though their diet has to be watched carefully to make sure
           they're getting enough nutrients.
        \_ Vegetarians == Murderers     - Fruitarian
           \_ What do you do with the seeds?
              \_ shit them out and watch them grow..
              \_ eating seeds is like abortion! It kills!       -fruit cake
              \_ the whole reason trees bear fruit is for animals
                to eat them and spread their seed ... symbyosis..
        \_ You should feed pieces of yourself to your pets. Start eating tons
           of vegetarian food, so you get really fat, and hopefully you will
           regrow chunks of yourself fast enough to let the pet survive.
           You can tranquilize and take parts off other people at first.
        \_ I have an acquaintance who adopted a cat from a vegan moron who
           fed the cat a vegetarian diet. The cat was unhealthy and small.
           She's still messed up by it. You have to feed your pet a proper
           (carnivorous) diet. Period. If you cannot do that then do not
           get a pet.
        \_ Cats are carnivores. In fact, one argument vegetarians often use
           to show that humans *aren't* pure carnivores is to contrast the
           digestive tract of a feline with the digestive tract of a human.
           Felines have short, straight digestive tracts versus the long and
           bendy digestive tract of a human ... Feed the cat meat or don't
           have a cat.  I don't know anything about dogs.
           \_ please.. look at archeology.. all the tools prehistoric
              humans used to evolve were mostly to kill animals
              and eat them.. we evolved as carnivores..
           \- IMHO, vegetarianism is mostly a life style choice and only
              putatively an "ethical" choice. "can you be politically
              opposed to slavery and have a pet" ... shouldn't you give
              it the chance to run away at any time? looking for ethical
              it the chance to run away at any ime? looking for ethical
              consistency here is silly. There are some big ethics questions
              this touches [like how to respond to the "infinite demands
              or morality" and the comission/omission problem (if you are
              opposed to animal suffering why arent you quitting your job
              and helping animals rather than "merely" not eating them) but
              the motd is too small for extended discussion of that kind of
              thing.
                \_ The point is that if you have a cat and are hurting it
                   by feeding it vegetarian food then you can't win if you
                   don't want to hurt animals -- cats need meat -- so either
                   feed the cat meat or don't have a cat.
           \_ Humans aren't carnivores.  Humans are omnivores.
        \_ some options:
           1. choose not to own a pet
           2. if you must own a pet, get a vegetarian pet (most animals
              are vegetarian, so its not that hard)
           3. if you must own a non-vegetarian pet, let the pet feed
              itself via hunting (its not like you personally are doing
              the killing)
           4. if you can't let the non-vegetarian pet feed itself, then
              feed the thing appropriate food.
              \- 5. get a chiapet
                 \_ or a nintendog
                    \_ Or a Penthouse Pet.  Are those vegetarian BTW?
                    \_ Or a Penthouse Pet.  Are they vegetarian BTW?
        \_ Well thanks for the pet care tips but this is a purely hypothetical
           question.  I'm an omnivore and so's my dog. -op
           \_ i don't understand your 'animal suffering' logic.
              Animals suffer a lot more as a whole due to expansion of
              area of human activities.  If you really care about animal's
              well-being, have less children, and don't critize countries
              who are trying (i.e. China). And at the same time, dump your
              SUV, and seperate your garbage.  These things will go a long way
                       \_ "separate." And "loose" is not the same as "lose."
                          \_ i meant seperate and recycle
                             \_ nope, still not a word.
                                \_ seperate?
                                   \_ http://webster.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=seperate&x=0&y=0
                                   \_ http://webster.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?va=seperate
                                   \_ http://tinyurl.com/dx4fe (webster.com)
                                      \_ seperate!
                                         \- Why cant we all get along ...
                                            and have a Separate Peace.
                                            and have A Separate Peace.
                                                --rodney && john
                \_ dump your car, even if it isn't a SUV.  RIDE BIKE!
                   \_ WHY DO YOU HATE AMERICA?
                      \_ What if the bike is made in the USA?
                         \_ It probably looks French.
                            \_ riding bike looks french? really? I
                               always thought that riding bike looked
                               asian or british.
                               \_ Commuting by bike is very popular in the
                                  Netherlands.
              than eating them, as they are legit source of protein.  Just
              skip any sport that kills for fun, such as possum hunting and
              fishing... unless you are planning on eatting possum and all
              the catch you got.
              \_ I call the big one bitey.
        \_ I'm a vegetarian and if I had a cat I would feed it meat.  I would
           laugh at people who tried to call me on my ethical inconsistency,
           because they just Don't Get It.  None of us are perfectly consistent.
           That doesn't mean our sporadic "good" actions have no weight. -niloc
        \_ I'm a vegetarian and if I had a cat I would feed it meat.
           I would laugh at people who tried to call me on my ethical
           inconsistency, because they just Don't Get It.  None of us
           are perfectly consistent. That doesn't mean our sporadic
           "good" actions have no weight. -niloc
2005/9/21-23 [Recreation/Pets] UID:39797 Activity:low
9/21    Is there such a thing as a category 6/7 hurricane? Is it exponential?
        \_ cat 4  l35 mph winds, cat 5, 165 mph..
           \_ cat 5 is >=155mph.  There is no 6.
              \- NOAA has now standardized Cat 5e. --psb
                 \_ NOAA is yet another incompetent government agency. They
                    need to dismantle it and replace it with a much more
                    effective private corporation.
                    p.s. Since you always seem to need the reminder, Clinton
                    ain't presnit no more.
                    effective private corporation.
              \_ 6 is what you get after you drop a nuke in a cat 5
                                                                  \_ Three Sir!
2005/9/17-19 [Recreation/Pets] UID:39719 Activity:nil
9/17    Moscow Cats Theater, in New York
        http://tinyurl.com/7kksr (NY Times)
        \_ There's also an exhibit of Russian art there now called "Russia!"
           (I forget where they're having it) with a lot of really cool stuff
           from the Tretyakov.  A lot of these you don't see in Europe/the US.
           I highly recommend it, the paintings are fantastic.  -John
2005/9/14-15 [Recreation/Pets, Politics/Foreign/Europe] UID:39676 Activity:kinda low
9/14    http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050914/od_nm/germany_cats_dc
        German invertor creates renewable fuel. A newspaper say he
        uses dead cats as the source but he denies it. Fucking Krauts.
        \_ Maybe he can improve the technology to use lying politicians and
           all our energy problems will be solved.
        \_ What's wrong with using dead cats?
           \_ Yeah they should use Hilary and her Democratic minions.
              \_ Dead fat cats?
        \_ You know, if he were born 60 years ago, he'd use Jews as
           a renewable resource. I mean, they're pretty cheap.
           \_ Holocaust on your plate!
           \_ Wait, you mean 1) they're plentiful, so they're cheap to find
              or 2) that Jewish people are cheap, as in frugal cheap? Which
              one do you mean?
        \_ Its about time someone figured out a good use for cats.
           And any time you need a fill up just run over a cat!
2005/8/14-15 [Recreation/Pets] UID:39114 Activity:moderate
8/14    Hey motd, I've found myself in possession of an 8-week-old kitten
        with a very sweet disposition (rescued it from a mother that was no
        longer interested in caring for the runt of the litter).
        Unfortunately, I don't think I can afford to keep a pet for any long
        duration.  I'd rather not just bring it to a shelter, so if anyone
        here knows of a good home where I can get it adopted, contact me.
        BTW, I'm going to get it its first round of shots on sunday, and
        will likely get it (a male) fixed on monday.  That's really about as
        far as my budget and time can be stretched.  I can wait for a week,
        maybe two, but after that it's off to the shelter.    TIA.      -mice
        \_ Moved this back to the top in the hopes of catching any sodans that
           have lives and don't check motd on weekends.                 -mice
           \_ I noticed you deleted my "trash" comment (which was to ridicule
              ilyas' moronic "gas chamber" comment).  Restored.
              \_ Actually, no -- I didn't delete your pointless trash
                 comment.   Sorry.      -mice
              \_ Actually, no -- I didn't delete your trash comment.  If
                 you're going to make accusations of this sort, at least be
                 sure of your information.     -mice
              \_ Look at yourself.
              \_ Look at yourself.  Here is a thread trying to save a life, and
                 the only way you can contribute is by 'ridiculing' a post
                 someone else has made.  You aren't offering to help, or
                 posting something useful, you just sort of pee on the thread
                 and move on.  Pathetic worm. -- ilyas
                 \_ Whatever.  Comparing euthanizing animals to gas chambers
                    was peeing all over humanity.
                    \_ Seek therapy, son.
                       \_ Whatever dad.  Without referencing 1940s Germany or
                          modern death row I think the allusion to gas chambers
                          is overwrought and offensive.
                          \_ You take yourself waaaay too seriously, son.
                             Relax.
        \_ This is in the LA area, yes?  I will ask around.  For the love of
           god don't send it to the gas chambers. -- ilyas
           \_ Actually, thanks for the clarification:  I'm in the BA, but
              I do have friends in socal, so I *might* be able to deliver
              ht kitten and visit with my socal friends in one trip.
              Of course, I'd prefer not to leave the sf/ba.  Gracias, ilyas.
                                                                        -mice
           \_ Yeah, just throw it in the trash instead.
           \_ Actually, thanks for the clarification:  I'm in the BA.  But...
              I do have friends in socal, so I *might* be able to deliver the
              kitten and visit with my socal friends in one trip.  Of course,
              I'd prefer not to leave the sf/ba....  Gracias, ilyas.   -mice
                \_ Hey mice, try http://www.arf.net in Walnut Creek. The Animal Rescue
                   Foundation is not really a shelter so they treat their
                   animals like royalty. Lots of adoption happening there-jthoms
           \_ Yeah, just throw it in the trash instead.
2005/8/11-13 [Recreation/Pets] UID:39095 Activity:moderate
8/11    Insurgents using dogs to deliver bombs:
        http://tinyurl.com/c2vbq (newsday.com)
        \_ kewl, news magazine cover should have Bomb Sniffing dog
          sniffing bomb carrying dog's butt.
           \_ dogs now have a legitament reason to sniff other dogs ass
        \_ now can we call suicide bombers "dum dogs"?
        \_ I wonder if this means that the suicide bomber recruitment pool
           has gotten sparse.
        \_ I like how this (seemingly) horrifies people _more_ than using
           humans.
           \_ Are you seriously going to claim that a dog's life is not worth
              more than that of a terrorist?
              \_ Oh, you're serious.
              \_ ^terrorist^commie  -tom
                  \_ dumbass
                     \_ The Russians actually tried this out in WWII, but the
                        dogs kept coming back to the hand that fed them (and
                        hanging out under tanks and things.)  -John
                        \_ I also recall from my marine mamals class that
                           this has been tried with dolfins, but once the
                           dolfins see another dolfin blow up, the rest all
                           know better.
                           \_ "Dolphins", and for added hilarity you should
                              look up "bat bombs".  -John
           \_ Because one suicidal bomber can now be non-suicidal and use dogs
              to deliver bombs over and over again.  Plus dogs are smaller and
              run faster, so it's harder to shoot.
           \_ The dogs have no choice. It's like using children. Adult
              bombers made a decision, even if perhaps a suspect one.
              \_ Not if the rumors they're often using retards is true.
                 \_ for the purposes of this discussion, you are a retard,
                    to use the perjorative.
           \_ just shoot any dog with a backpack,easy
              \_ Are you suggesting doggie profiling?  What if he's just
                 on his way to work?
                 \_ Then the army should hire more Korean chefs.  Arf.
                 \_ I don't think it's discrimination to suggest we look a
                    little closer at Afghan Hounds.
2005/7/19 [Recreation/Pets] UID:38699 Activity:nil
7/19    Birds learn to imitate cell phone ring tones:
        http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/7242_1434263,00180021.htm
        \_ I've heard mockingbirds around here doing the whole
           four-tone car alarm.  -tom
2005/6/20-21 [Recreation/Pets] UID:38213 Activity:high
6/20    Boredcast Message from 'eric': Mon Jun 20 17:06:08 2005
          So, psb, Mr. philosopher:
          If a woman gets fucked by a male dog, is it rape? I'll bet
          that happens a lot more than the other way around.
        I don't read wall that much, but this caught my eye, because I am told
        in Roman coliseums, specially bred and trained dogs raping slave women
        was one of the attractions.
        \_ ? why are you trying to reply to a wall on the motd?
             \- anonymity? re the above [reformatted] comments:
                1. i dont think this was relevant to the legal principle
                   of the composition of tort damage or magnitude of criminal
                   sanction i was interested in.
                2. this not an area of roman history i am especially
                   knowledgeable about.
                   \_ Why does psb hate raper dogs?
        \_ Let me rephrase the wall: "If a women has sex with a male dog, did
        *SHE* rape the dog?" -- Dogs do not go around raping women, unless I've
        missed some major news item recently -eric
        \_ Well, I dunno about dogs that rape, but this dog raper guy really
           is an argument for 110th trimester abortion:
           http://www.fox21.com/Global/story.asp?S=3456745
           \_ Gah.  Don't forget he also molested two little girls.
2005/6/10-13 [Recreation/Pets] UID:38082 Activity:nil
6/10    Pictures of stuff on top of cats.
        http://www.stuffonmycat.com
        \_ I think this stuff encourages cruelty. Like that cat-scanning
           thing from a while back.
           \_ Oh please, cruelty to cats doesn't need to be encouraged.
        \_ I can't get this page to load - do they have anything cool
           on top of a cat, like say a CAR?
           \_ Dammit, bandwidth limit exceeded.  Looks like the cats were
              too cute for their own good.
              \_ It's back, as of 6/12
2005/5/27-31 [Recreation/Pets] UID:37868 Activity:kinda low
5/27    Ten foot tall "LIGER" - part lion;
        part tiger; weighs half a ton and is still growing!
        http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1411998/posts?page=1,50
        \_ Freepers are strange.
                \_ hey free republic guy, do you get all your pop culture
                   info from free republic?  I just blew 5 minutes reading
                   all of that, I hate you.  I notice none of the responses
                   mention the real genetic reason ligers happen. - danh
                   \_ Extreme fishing: dogged noodlers who wrestle
                      catfish from the depths
                      http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/1412946/posts
                      http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1412946/posts
                      [fuck you and your ip addresses]
2005/5/18 [Recreation/Pets, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:37755 Activity:nil 80%like:37753
5/18    Bush Attacking People in Texas:
        http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/05/18/birds.attack.ap/index.html
2005/5/18 [Recreation/Pets] UID:37753 Activity:nil 80%like:37755
5/18    Birds Attacking People in Texas:
        http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/05/18/birds.attack.ap/index.html
2005/5/17-18 [Recreation/Pets] UID:37721 Activity:very high
5/17    My garden has big rat and previous attempts of poisonous baits
        were not effective at all.  I am considering using mouse cage to
        catch the rat but I am concerning with the disposal of the rat.
        What is a humane way to dispose the caged rat?
        \_ May I ask where you live?
        \_ it might sound nasty, but... boil a pot of water and pour on it.
           then burry it somewhere.   you don't want to touch it, and kill
           them by physical means gets nasty... blood everywhere, etc. mind
           you that when rat dies, it tend to poop, so, you want to do it
           outside somwhere.            -been there, done that
        \_ 22 or BB gun
           \_ I agree. BB gun is a lot more fun too, though it's not always
              that effective (you can't get rats when it's dark). They're good
              for gopher shooting though.
        \_ There's no such thing as one rat.
        \_ Take it to Tilden Park and let it go.
        \_ Are you using mouse poison or rat poison?
        \_ Wait... poison... humane?  Dude, rat poison is not a pleasant death.
        \_ Feed it rat poison.
        \_ Feed it to a snake.
        \_ Take it to Casa Zimbabwe and let it rejoin its family.
           \_ <clap> <clap>
           \_ I lived in CZ and had mice, but not rats. A few traps and
              they figured out to stay away from me. They are smart little
              buggers. They would purposefully pass by my room.
              \_ What about the fleas, coop residents, and other assorted
                 vermin?  -John
                 \_ Never had fleas. The residents, well...
                    \_ We had several infestations while I was there, and
                       often it was some of the residents that had the fleas.
                       I just vividly remember one of the vegan nutjobs
                       nearly throwing a shitfit at the idea of gas-bombing
                       the place because she wouldn't have chemicals.  She
                       stormed out of a house meeting after all the semi-sane
                       people laughed at her idea that we all just eat more
                       garlic because the fleas would hate it.  And almost
                       every building where there's food lying around has
                       mice, it's just a question of scale.  -John
              \_ There were plenty of mice in the radiators.  As for the
                 compost heap, I believe it had plenty of rats.
                 \_ Probably. They are always rats outside. That's why the
                    original poster is a putz. Rats live, uh, outside. I
                    never saw a rat inside of CZ, though. Mice, yes.
                    \_ Wow.  are people really this stupid?
                       \_ No, just you.
        \_ A spring trap, while gruesome, is a pretty quick death if you pick
           the rat-size ones.
           \_ Unfortunately, even the rat-sized spring traps don't always kill
              rats right away.  My girlfriend managed to get a rat with its
              nose cut off running around the living room, bleeding all over
              everything.  It did die eventually, though.
           \_ What if a cat steps in it?
              \_ Nobody said anything about cats.  Can you place a trap inside?
                 \_ Wow, way to think ahead.  It's a *garden*, so it's outdoors,
                    where cats are...
              \_ The cat doesn't catch rats?
                 \_ "...and we get the cat skins for nothing"
        \_ The 'easiest' way would be to drown the rat by sinking the
           cage under water. Rats are like mosquito, you need to get
           'rid' of it, not relocating it.
           \_ Think 'Caddyshack'.  -meyers
        \_ My friend's roommate has a cat that keeps catching mice in the
           apartment. Get a hunter cat (abassinian?) to take care of the rats.
           \- do you marry a plumber if you have a "plumbing problem"?
              "get a cat"is not the solution to the vermin problem, it is
              a solution to the "i dont have a cat and would like one"
              problem. maybe hire a cat.
           \_ I used to keep an applehead siamese and it regularly caught
              rats and mice outside (though other small animals fell victims
              to it too. I guess that's the collateral damage)
        \_ Flush it down the toilet.
           \_ you can clog the toilet.
        \_ You want to get rid of your roommate?
        \_ My dad got a high-powered rifle with IR & laser scope for the
           muskrats on his farm.  That may not be the most practical solution,
           but it's sure the most entertaining one if you don't mind a bit
           of a mess (and have tolerant neighbors.)
           \_ Too much for a rat.  Just a simple 22LR with subsonic ammo will do.
              \_ Muskrats.  Big 2 foot long fuckers.  I recommend you watch
                 'Split Second' for how to deal with rats.  -John
        \_ What do people think of RatZapper?  Sounds like it would work well
           indoors:  http://www.epestsupply.com/mice.htm
2005/5/13-15 [Recreation/Pets] UID:37670 Activity:nil
5/13    Dog gets a degree:
        http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2005/05/13/dogdegree0513.html
2005/5/12-13 [Recreation/Pets] UID:37644 Activity:nil
5/11    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/05/06/eveningnews/main693667.shtml
        Animal cosmetic surgery.
        \_ do they make Neuticles for men?
2005/5/10-11 [Recreation/Pets] UID:37616 Activity:low
5/10    Bird Nest in Public Ash Tray:
        http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/west_midlands/4534379.stm
        \_ Best news title ever.
           \_ Ha ha!  There are birds with "tit" in their names!  We're in
              sixth grade!
              \_ "The holes for butts on the box are the same size as on a
                 bird box..." huh huh huh! Butt!
                 \_
      Lake Titicaca, oh Lake Titicaca
      It's between Bolivia and Peru
      Lake Titicaca, oh Lake Titicaca
      With waters tranquil and blue.
      Oh Lake Titicaca, yes Lake Titicaca
      Why do we sing of its fame?
      Lake Titicaca, yes Lake Titicaca
      'Cause we really like saying its name!
      Titicaca!
      \_ is this from Animaniacs?
2005/4/18-19 [Recreation/Pets] UID:37237 Activity:low
4/18    Why did the big cats survive (Tiger, Lion) but the big dogs
        didn't?
        \_ maybe the big dogs were in areas good for human agriculture,
           and so were actively hunted, whereas the big cats were either
           on continents not as effected by widescale agriculture, or were
           in niches that helped them survive like jungles and mountains.
           \_ This happened to lions in Europe and elsewhere... the African
              ones survived because of the vast wilderness areas. But now
              they're relagated to dwindling preserves. Tigers survived in
              some large jungles but humans have caught up to them now too.
              Those animals all need very large habitats and herd animals to
              prey on. Those herds will all be replaced with McDonald's
              cow factories.
              \_ Survival of the fittest-- homo sapien. YAY we're ALL WINNERS!
              \_ For tigers, I think it needs several sq. miles of territory
                 *per tiger* to survive.  For lions, since they live in groups,
                 I guess the area needed is smaller.
                 \_ They need pretty huge areas too. In the small preserves
                    they get under pressure from hyenas etc. and easy prey is
                    harder so they get injured more. If you consider the area
                    of the whole ecosystem it needs to be friggin huge.
                 \_ Several hundred square miles is more like it. It
                    depends on how food-rich an area is. Tiger territories
                    are anywhere from 8 to 400 square miles. Lions need
                    about 15-100 square miles per pride. I assume it is
                    less because big game is plentiful in most of Africa.
        \_ bigger teeth? dumbed downed by human domestication?
        \_ God didn't want them to.
        \_ the big dogs did, they're called wolves. - danh
        \_ I was under the impression that dogs and bears are relatively recent
           relatives, evolutionarily speaking.  So the primordial dog-bears
           diverged into wolves/jackals/coyotes on one side and bears on the
           other.
           \_ Bear dog!
              http://www.bbc.co.uk/beasts/evidence/prog3/page5.shtml
2005/4/13-14 [Recreation/Pets] UID:37174 Activity:moderate
4/13    Does it mean anything when an apparently friendly house cat takes a
        swipe at you after you stopped petting it ? I am not the only
        one that this has happened to wrt to this cat.
        \_ People own dogs but cats own owners. You've been owned.
           (dogs see humans as masters, cats see humans as equals)
        \_ that it's a cat.
           \_ seconded
        \_ that it's time to put it down.
        \_ What does "take a swipe at you" mean? walking by you?
        \_ that you're now the cat's bitch and must obey its every order
        \_ apparently friendly? you mean, because it looks like a cat?
           \_ I agree. What makes him think it is friendly? I have a cat
              like this and I make sure to tell visitors that it is not
              friendly.
        \_ the only friendly house cats are dead ones
        \_ Swipe lightly?  He's just playing.  And lightly can still hurt,
           those claws are fucking sharp.
           \_ That's possible too... I've actually seen some cats that are
              smart about this and try real hard not to scratch. Like, he could
              jump onto my back from high up and not use his claws at all, just
              slide around a bit. Our other cat was clueless and had razor
              sharp claws because it didn't walk outside much.
              \_ Cat's claws don't get dulled by walking outside, since
                 they are retractable.
              \_ How much they retract claws depends on their environment
                 when growing up.  Playing with other kittens gives them
                 training in how much they have to retract, cuz they learn
                 that it hurts.  If it was raised w/o other kittens, then
                 it has never learned to retract claws.
2005/4/3 [Recreation/Pets] UID:37051 Activity:moderate 75%like:37048
4/2     Ass Kicks Cougar
        http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1376303/posts
        \_ obCheckSnopesFirst
           http://www.snopes.com/photos/animals/mulelion.asp
           \_ this is already in the the thread
              \_ this nevertheless does not justify posting to the motd
                 before checking. who the hell wants to dig through FR
                 threads?
        \_ Free Republic makes life Worth living!
           \_ Every village needs an idiot, after all.
2005/4/2 [Recreation/Pets] UID:37048 Activity:high 75%like:37051
4/2     Ass Kicks Cougar
        http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/1376303/posts
        \_ obCheckSnopesFirst
           http://www.snopes.com/photos/animals/mulelion.asp
           \_ this is already in the the thread
              \_ this nevertheless does not justify posting to the motd
                 before checking. who the hell wants to dig through FR
                 threads?
2005/1/27-28 [Recreation/Pets] UID:35942 Activity:high
1/27    Okay, this cracked me up:
        http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/wdc/56471618.html
        \_ oh my god this is so cute!!!!!!!!!!! cute cute cute :)
           Thanks for posting this site.
        \_ Cute to you. Abuse of a trusting pet to me.
           \_ I used to hate cats.  Now that I've seen how cool cats can be,
              though, I've become convinced that most cats are bad because
              cats imprint stongly on their owners' behavior, and many cat
              owners have severe and obvious personality defects that rub
              off on their pets (see above).
              \_ So for cats that have been raised by one individual since
                 kittenhood, if the cat's an asshole, then the owner is a
                 bastard?
                 \_ I think "asshole" is a term I would very rarely apply to
                    a cat.  What I find irritating about most cats is that
                    they're so prissy and terrified of everything, and I've
                    definitely seen correlations between that behavior in cats
                    and their owners.  I guess that behavior is not exactly
                    harmful in a cat, anymore than sitting on a rock all day
                    is harmful in a pet lizard, it just makes them lousy pets.
           \_ Lighten up.
              \_ I generally agree. But when one owner has two cats with very
                 different traits, what do you figure is going on if they are
                 both inheriting traits from their owner? Do you figure each
                 cat has become a familiar to a particular part of their
                 owner's personality, or does this indicate that anthropomorph-
                 izing the traits of small domesticated animals is inadvisable.
              \_ I agree somewhat but I'm not sure what makes some cats become
                 really outgoing and friendly. I think it might be exposure to
                 (nice) strangers when young. Our two family cats were both
                 very friendly to the family but freaked around strangers.
                 We had some asshole neighbors who might have been mean to
                 them. I think there's some genetics too of course. At my
                 apartment place there was a really cool friendly cat who
                 just treated everyone as a friend and played/followed them
                 into their apartment etc.
           \_ Lighten up.
        \_ Cute is not funny.
           \_ Lighten up.
2005/1/13-14 [Recreation/Pets] UID:35694 Activity:kinda low
1/13    Where would I buy a small basket that can be used as a bird nest?
        You know those kind of like a gift basket. There are a few
        birds that seem to like to stay in under the roof of my deck
        standing on the rails at night. There's nothing in that area
        that would allow them to make a nest. I believe those birds
        are hatched from another spot under the deck roof a year or
        two ago, but that spot is no longer available due to me fixed
        something. I am thinking if I hang a small basket under the
        rail, they eventually might figure out to use it as a nest?
        \_ Michael's or similar, any of dozens of locations around.
           You want to be careful about birds. They'll chew up your
           roof and attract vermin if you don't get rid of them. Better
           if you found them a nice tree to stay in.
        \_ one of those arts and crafts stores?
        \_ <DEAD>PETCO.com<DEAD>?
        \_ Cost Plus
2004/10/21 [Recreation/Pets] UID:34271 Activity:low
10/21   Deal dog experts. I've heard that chocolates are bad for dogs
        and may kill them because it's like cocaine for them. Is this
        really true? How about other types of food? Say, McD fries?
        I'm asking because my gf's dad fed their dog McD fries (which
        we all had) and the dog got really really sick, so I'm
        wondering if fries are also bad for dogs. ok thx.
        \_ Dogs don't metabolize the caffeine and theobromine properly, so it
           affects them much more strongly and they 'overdose' very easily.
           As for mickey-D fries... was it just sick as in barfing and/or
           diarehea?  If that's all I'd just blame there being more oil than
           their digestive system could handle.
           A small digression:  Do not feed dogs any raw or cooked onions.
           A compound in onions causes hemolysis (destruction of red blood
           cells) in dogs, which leads to anemia or even death.
           Grapes, raisins and wine are also toxic to them for some unknown
           reason.
        \_ As above, plus in general dogs should not be eating more than a
           taste of modern human foods and never raw.  Some people believe
           that since dogs eat raw in the wild, they should eat raw in
           captivity, but this doesn't apply, even to a simple bone, because
           in the wild they consume a bone along with the fur, skin, etc, so
           bone shards are coated in other unedible garbage that passes
           through.  When you feed your dog a raw bone without the rest of the
           kill, you can cause serious harm.  As for the rest of human foods,
           they are simply not build to safely eat all that garbage.  I let my
           dog get a *taste* of a lot of things including chocolate very
           rarely but I'm talking a *taste*, as in less than half a tea spoon
           and more commonly just whatever is coating the tip of one finger.
           Do not feed your dog greasy shitty crap like McDs.
2004/9/12-13 [Recreation/Pets] UID:33483 Activity:moderate
9/12    I often buy roast chickens.  After picking over them there's still
        bits of meat and fat on the carcass.  If I make stock from this, the
        meat falls off the bones and the bones take on the consistency of
        dry-rot eaten wood.  Is it safe to feed these crumply bones to my dog?
        I know all about hard bones' danger but these seem harmless.  Is this
        a new source of dog treats?  Advice would be welcomed.
        \_ No. Chicken bones splinter far more than beef or most others.
           Your dog may cause damage to his digestive system. Most vets
           will tell you to never give your dog (or cat) chicken bones.
           \_ I thought cats natually like eating birds.
           \_ These don't splinter, they crumble under light pressure.
        \_ Not to be dismissive of your question here (I'm sure somebody knows
           about this here), but maybe your vet would be a better person to
           ask?
           \_ Hear, hear.  And don't bother with google.  The cooked/raw/never
              bones controversy is a flamewar unto itself among pet owners.
              The fact is there's significantly more risk than if they _don't_
              eat bones at all, it's just a question of how beneficial they
              are to their dietary health.  (IMO, it's not worth it)
2004/8/17 [Health/Dental, Health/Men, Recreation/Pets] UID:32971 Activity:nil
8/17    Plastic surgery for pets:
        http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3923099.stm
2004/8/17 [Recreation/Pets] UID:32953 Activity:high
8/17  Question for soda ilyases regarding envrionmental protection.
      The rationale, as I understand it, against envrionmental protection
      goes as follows: "it is not fair that some nameless, faceless
      government agency can regulate what people can and can not do on
      property they own." Assume I agree with this. Let's consider a
      related kind of property. Some people own cats. In some sense, this
      is property just like land. Would you support people's right to
      burn their cats alive?
      \_ Yeah, fresh cat is always best prepared when the cat is broiled
         alive. Where have you been?
      \_ Mmmm...Ilya satire is an untapped goldmine!
         \_ Satire requires more effort than this.
            \_ Well, I said it was _untapped_.  I like the idea more than the
               above attempt.
          \_ Since people act as a colony much like ants, and since ants have
             the right to eat any food the colony deems important, is it not
             logical that humans may eat their children? -mock-ilyas
             \_ Yeah, it's easier to mock than it is to respond intelligently.
                \_ No.  Arguing with ilyas approaches a limit at infinity
                   of uselessness extremely quickly.
                   \_ Yeah, and a lot more fun than responding to stupid
                      questions, too.
          \_ Will no one else help mock?
          \_ Actually, yeah.  I don't give a crap if people want to light
             their own cats on fire.  -motd conservitive
             \_ So it OK with you if I burn your cat and then pay you its
                fair-market value?
                \_ No, you can only do that if you're the government.
                   \_ I can drop a ton of bricks on your car and pay you fair
                      market value for it.  Why can't I do the same to your cat?
                \_ No.  A cat is not *owned* like a car or a house.  And no,
                   you don't have the right to destroy other's property and
                   simply replace it with FMV.  Property rights are a
                   fundamental part of western society that the alleged motd
                   conservative above fails to understand.  --real conservative
2004/8/16 [Recreation/Pets] UID:32940 Activity:high
8/16    psb, tell us about the birds!
        \_ and the bees!
           \_ You really want to learn about the birds and the bees from
              partha?  Try http://www.whitehouse.com instead.
2004/8/10 [Recreation/Pets] UID:32806 Activity:nil
8/10    House cat hijacks airplane:
        http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3551672.stm
        Boy! I sure feel safe now!  Let's just hope those terrorists don't
        have cats.
        \_ uh oh. terrorists are training animals to attack and
        take control of the plane
2004/8/8 [Recreation/Pets] UID:32767 Activity:very high
8/8     What level of laser would be necessary to blind a bird? I need to
        eliminate pigeons around my house hazard (health hazard!) Would
        shining a 4.99 mW laser into their eyes do the trick (highest IIIa
        legal)?  Humane stuff is not working and I am limited by what I can
        do due to homeowners association rules ...
        \_ Can't you put up some of those little spikey things that keep
           them from landing?  I see those on buildings where they don't
           want birds to shit all the time.
        \_ that's pretty freaking cruel. just shoot the bird and kill it
           altogether. no need to blind it and make it forever miserable.
        \_ are you in a large city? what is this health hazard? you sound
           like a pretty weird person to want to go shining lasers into
           the eyes of birds.
        \_ Good luck shining the laser directly into the poor pigeon's eye.
        \_ Just hunt 'em with a blowgun.
        \_ You need to buy a .22 rifle.
        \_ Blinding probably won't work.  It would be really hard to get
           both eyes anyway.  A better choice would be a powerful BB gun,
           if you're into shooting them.  I you could keep it up long
           enough, they would also learn to stay away from your house.
           However, probably more effective would be poison bird seed.
           Just mix some rat poison with bird seed, or, even easier, just
           buy some gopher poison, which is usually wheat with cyanide.
           Or maybe try the old bread and alka-seltzer trick, all though
           I'm not sure that works on pigeons.
        \_ This is one of the oddest posts I've ever seen.
2004/7/26 [Recreation/Pets] UID:32481 Activity:insanely high
7/26    Bush's cat India gets Indians enraged:
        http://sify.com/news/offbeat/fullstory.php?id=13512345
        \_ "Oh look!  India's licking its asshole again!"
        \_ Huh?
        \_ Did he name the cat India after he was president? or is this an old
           cat.  If he named it since becoming pres, he really is a dumb SOB
           Of course, the Indians are lame for getting all bent out of shape
           over it, but Damn. [update:  Bush has owned cat for 10 years and it
           is named after some sports person, so it seems that these Indians
           are just lame.] -phuqm
  link:www.news24.com/News24/Backpage/Offbeat/0,,2-1343-1347_1552060,00.html
           \_ The namesake is supposedly Ruben "El Indio" Sierra, and the
              cat is 10 years old, according to http://csua.org/u/8bu
              "Indio" is a term for a dark skinned Mexican, and ranges
              from derogatory to affectionate.  Okay.  That was really
              hasty.  For a wider perspective, "indios" are those who
              have more native-american features, as opposed to Spanish/
              European features.  This is a very deep racial divide in
              Mexico, with its own Jim Crow type attitudes (however unspoken/
              unwritten).  In the US, this word has been reclaimed by the
              Chicano movement as a term of pride.  To name a cat "India"
              would seem to be insensitive to Mexican Americans rather than
              Indians.  --scotsman
              \_ I named my cat Shiva.  I bet it's much more insensitive to
                 Indians than 'India' is to Mexicans.  You are stretching,
                 dude. -- ilyas
                 \_ Sorry, I wasn't clear.  The last sentence should have read
                    "...would seem to be _more_ insensitive..."  I personally
                    think getting in a huff over a cat's name is insanely
                    silly.  With the previous post, I was just trying to
                    disect what was behind the name.  --scotsman
        \_ I am going to rechristen my dog Frog.
        \_ There's a singer named India Arie.
        \_ a friend named his cats tcsh and perl.
           \_ NEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRRDDDDSS!!!!
           \_ How do you pronounce tcsh? "tee see ess aich"? "tee seesh"?
              "tuksh"? I'm gonna name my cats Yahweh and Lucifer (Lucy).
              \_ "teesh", duh.
                 \_ Excuse me but THERE IS A MOTHERFUCKING "C" IN THERE!@!!!
                    \_ Do you pronounce the t in "listen"?
                    \_ http://www.mit.edu/people/rei/tiel-tcsh.html
                       \_ so?  man tcsh is authoritative.  some random link
                          about bloody cockatiels is not.
                          \_ Um... what tcsh man page are you looking at?
                 \_ tee seesh.  teesh is the trusted shell.
2004/7/12 [Recreation/Pets] UID:32238 Activity:very high
7/12    My dog (15lb. Daschund) swallowed a slice of a round bone 1.5" in
        diameter and 1" long.  I'm surprised he was able to swallow it.  It
        did not splinter.  Do you think he's in danger and should I take him
        to a vet?
        \_ Maybe you should... call a vet and ask them?
        \_ Dogs have stomachs with extremely low pH. They can eat almost
           anything as a result, including whole bones.
           \_ I'm not worried about splintering and piercing, but since he
              barely swallowed it I'm worried it could cause a bowel
              obstruction.
              \_ I don't know.  It might be a good idea, although I bet
                 the vet would just keep him overnight and wait for him to
                 pass it.
              \_ http://www.thepetcenter.com/imtop/bones.html
                 Take him to the vet.
           \_ can they handle milk then?  many said one shouldn't feed dogs
              milk because dogs are lactose intolerant.
              \_ They say that about cats too but I hear about people doing
                 that all the time. I think that's a STFW topic though.
        \_ Are dogs carnivores? Don't most carnivores have pretty simple
           bowels so that they can eat prey in big chunks without causing
           obstructions?
           \_ Don't wild dogs die around age 6-7?
        \_ The fact that it's a long dog means that their bowels can easily
           twist and cause serious damage.  Take him to the vet, even if it's
           just for monitoring.  A bowel obstruction is a very painful way for
           your dog to die.
        \_ I have two dachshunds, I empathize -- they eat EVERYTHING!  Go to
           your vet, or to Pet Emergency (the one in Berkeley on Univ and 10th
           a block off San Pablo is the recommended one hereabouts).  Don't
           wait for it to become a problem, get your pet examined!  At the
           very least, the vet will prescribe a diet that will allow your
           dog to pass the bone more easily...and the vet could also
           save your dog from severe distress and death.  --chris
        \_ That's a huge bone.  Your dog is kind of stupid.
           \_ Dachshunds weren't bred for their high IQ....
        \_ successfully resisted (barely) the temptation to replace dog with
           something else in this thread... :)
2004/7/2 [Recreation/Pets] UID:31130 Activity:kinda low
7/2     OMG HOOOJ CATS!!!!1!!!
        http://www.messybeast.com/freak-size.htm
2004/6/28-29 [Recreation/Pets] UID:31041 Activity:kinda low
6/28    Dog saves Toronto:
        http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,123882,00.html
        \_ Why does the dog hate America?
2004/6/20-21 [Recreation/Pets] UID:30926 Activity:nil
6/19    OMG CAT RAVE!!!1!
        http://www.spatch.net/catrave.html
        \_ http://fyad.ytmnd.com
2004/6/4 [Recreation/Pets] UID:30607 Activity:nil
6/4     Dog eats master:
        http://forums.macnn.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=215407
2004/6/1 [Recreation/Pets] UID:30527 Activity:high
6/1     Why are so many CSUAers *really* into their cats?
        \_ ob-substitute-for-pussy?
        \_ They are?  Examples please?
        \_ Kittens: Dang They're Cute!
        \_ What kind of "into"?  Physically?
        \_ Mod +5 Troll!  You win!
        \_ They are tasty with barbeque sauce.
2004/4/17 [Recreation/Pets] UID:13249 Activity:nil 54%like:13354
4/16    Why do dogs (specifically pomeranians) eat their own poop?
        (serious question).
        \_ Just a guess- same reason cats bury their poo- to cover
           their tracks so that predators can't track them?
        \_ Dog eat their poop cause it's tasty.
           Cats cover their poop cause it's stinky.
2004/4/16 [Recreation/Pets] UID:13231 Activity:nil
4/16    Tom, please stop deleting my dog post.  Thanks.
        \_ yea, I like the dog post.  please stop deleting it!
        \_ yeaH, EVEN I didn't read it, please stop deleting!
        \_ If tom really is the guy who deletes stuff, I find that interesting,
           since tom always comes down on 'anonymous cowards,' but deleting
           entries anonymously is in some sense the ultimate anonymous
           coward reply to a post. -- ilyas
2004/4/16 [Recreation/Pets] UID:13226 Activity:nil
4/16    Last night while out walking my dog I had my first ever encounter with
        a pitbull.  Idiot head teen actually let the thing off leash as I went
        by with my dog on leash.  The pitbull beelined for my dog from about
        20 yards away and attacked.  I kicked at it many many times and nailed
        it hard half a dozen times but it ignored blows hard enough to lift it
        into the air and drop it 2 feet back.  Eventually the stupid owner
        finally stepped in and grabbed it while it was trying to latch onto my
        dog.  I was about half a second away from grabbing the collar and
        gouging its eyes out with my fingers at that point.  I'm a dog person
        closely involved with dog raising and training for many years but I've
        never met a pitbull before.  After last night I now firmly believe the
        entire breed should be destroyed.  If you're considering buying or
        raising a pitbull you should know that in CA as of this year you are
        now legally responsible for the full damages your pitbull inflicts.
        If your pitbull kills or injures another dog, the monetary penalty is
        no longer the replacement street value of the victim but you can be
        sued blind for the standard array of emotional damages, loss of
        companionship, full medical bills, funeral costs and everything else.
        If you know someone with a pitbull let them know how the law works now
        and how much someone like me is going to enjoy utterly destroying
        their life when their pitbull attacks.  In my case, I was able to beat
        on it long enough to keep my dog from being physically harmed which
        was *very* lucky for everyone involved.  The other group left the park
        immediately but I expect them to return.  When they do, I'll be
        sending the cops or animal control there to pick up their dog for
        behavior testing.  When it fails and is determined to be a vicious
        dog, it will either be destroyed or at a minimum the owners will be
        required to spend thousands on fences and special locks and not be
        allowed to take their dog out in public ever again for any reason.  If
        I see that thing off leash again I'm going to kill it on the spot and
        then call the police.   Pit bull owners: fuck you.  The rest of you
        please be alert and aware when around them.  These creatures are not
        misunderstood.  You, your dog, or your child *will* be attacked if the
        dog can get to you.  [restored several times]
        \_ My dog was attacked by a psycho poodle, and had several stitches.
           Even the "nice" breeds can be mean. It's all in how they are raised.
           \_ Poodles are responsible for more bites than any other breed.
              Poodles and chows are not nice. They are mean!
        \_ get a less wussier dog , aren't dogs suppose to fight for you?
           not vice-versa
           \_ no, my dog is a pet.  if i wanted a weapon, i'd carry a weapon.
              is it now necessary for everyone to get a pitbull so we can
              safely walk our dogs without being attacked?
              \_ let me guess, you have a cocker spaniel (which is more prone
                 to biting people than pit bulls are) which provoked the attack
                 \_ I'm not the person you are responding to but I've seen two
                    pit bull attacks. Both times the pit bill suddenly bolted
                    and went straight for the neck of the dog/child in
                    question. Once was a kid, other time was a little fluffy
                    white thing. Both times the pit bull started from a
                    distance of about twenty yards or more away. I don't see
                    how these attacks were provoked.
                    BTW, I also know of a pitbull
                    that is so docile it simply hides behind it's master's legs
                    when new dogs appear. I'm not in the pit bulls=evil crowd.
                    There does seem to be something about them that requires
                    more care taken by the owner is all. One of the above
                    attacks took the pit bull owner completely by surprise.
        \_ Your post is poignant to me but you may want to do the psb thing and
           summarize with a link to an off-motd fuller text. -- ulysses
        \_ I have owned and trained dogs my whole life, and I agree with you.
           Perhaps some day they AKC will destroy the killer instincts of the
           pit bull through the same kind of breeding they've used to destroy
           the good qualities of other breeds, but the problem is a lot of pit
           bulls come from the ghetto, where they're still bred to be vicious.
           One side effect of the vicious ghetto dog phenomenon is that if
           you live in the ghetto, all the hoods will be terrified of your
           sweet, harmless border collie because they all figure it's another
           kind of pittbull.
        \_ Yikes! A close friend has a 6-yr-old female pit bull. Gracie's
           the sweetest dog I've ever encountered (during my friend's
           divorce, the only point of contention with her husband was
           over the dog), but it took *hours* of training & reinforcement
           to reign in her baser instincts. Getting a pit bull should be
           like buying a handgun, with required background checks,
           psychological testing, etc., etc., -elizp
           \_ that would be a great analogy if all handguns were required
              to run buggy AI software written by Microsoft, which are
              connected to the internet and have as a default that they
              can be fired by romote users or by the AI on its own in
              certain modes.
        \_ God, I would hate to see you robbed and beaten.  You will probably
           then call for genocide of the ... breed in question, no doubt
           invoking the 'killer instincts'. -- ilyas
           \_ You understand the difference between poor breeding and the
              problems in society, right?  A bad dog in a good home is still
              a bad dog.  Or were you just trying to be funny?  It can be hard
              to tell on the net sometimes.
              \_ Did you miss the brilliant 'my dog was attached by a pitbull
                 therefore all pitbulls must be destroyed' argument in the
                 original post?  -- ilyas
              \_ are you saying it's hard to tell funny from stupid on the
                 motd?
2004/2/24 [Recreation/Pets] UID:12389 Activity:nil
2/24    Freeze-dried pets:
        http://showcase.netins.net/web/helling/at/petp2.htm
2004/2/24 [Recreation/Pets] UID:12375 Activity:nil 66%like:11664 66%like:11699 50%like:12007 50%like:13096 50%like:30147 50%like:30208
2/23   http://www.powergenitalia.com (work safe)
2004/1/16-17 [Recreation/Pets, Computer/SW/Security] UID:11810 Activity:nil
1/16    The Fish That Threatened National Security:
        http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/03362/255283.stm
        \_ Petty tyrants can arise in even the smallest domains (and no, I'm not
           talking about the fish--I'm talking about airport security).
           \_ story sounds fishy (hah!)  People routinely take pets through
              passenger screening at airports. Maybe the TSA folks were being
              particularly annoying at LGA.  -- Someone who works airport secy.
              \_ the newspaper probably fact checked this
                 it doesn't appear they've printed a retraction for the last
                 three weeks, anyway
                 to me it just looks like overzealous and mistaken TSA there
        \_ The TSA allows pets on the plane, and they will not x-ray them:
           http://www.tsa.gov/public/interapp/editorial/editorial_1036.xml
           \_ If you want to smuggle something through, having a cute cat
              probably helps -- I had my cat, who was drugged beyond belief
              and when they made me take him out all the TSA people stood
              around and ooohed and aahed and petted him. -chialea
        \_ The TSA recently destroyed a very expensive flight case of a
           friend of mine who travels for business.  Apparently the goons
           at the TSA didn't understand the latching mechanism and so
           used a crowbar on the joints instead.  He has a claim in but
           it may take a VERY long time to get any money out of them, knowing
           the feds.
           \_ Did your idiotic friend understand the big sign that says to not
              lock stuff or they'll have to break them open?  Did he take the
              very simple precaution of unlatching it for them or opening his
              stupid mouth to explain at some point or whine like a stupid
              bitch afterwards and file his paperwork?  Are *you* the friend
              with no clue?  Frankly, I'm glad they busted open his case.  I
              would've done the same thing just to teach him a lesson.
              \_ I am not the one who posted the above, but somettimes a case
                 has to latched just to keep the content from spilling out,
                 esp. if you put too much stuff in.  The above post does not
                 say the latch was locked.  This would be like someone breaking
                 a closed door without trying to turn the knob.
2004/1/11-14 [Recreation/Pets] UID:11749 Activity:nil
1/10    How do I get emacs to do nice indenting on html files? Thx.
        \_ meta-x left-shift-control-hst (at the same time)-html-indent-style-
           number-XYZ (where xyz is a number from 3 to 628) -fix-indent while
           singing dixie and dancing nude upon your desktop while swinging a
           black cat three times around the room praying to the moon goddess
           just moments before you toss the cat in a boiling cauldron (other
           black cat three times around the room praying to the mooon goddess
           just moment before you toss the cat in a boiling cauldron (other
           contents are in the emacs faq) and you jump into the roaring fire.
2004/1/9-10 [Recreation/Pets] UID:11734 Activity:nil
1/9     Merc review of Top Dog: 'The best dog in San Jose'
        http://csua.org/u/5hx
2004/1/9-10 [Recreation/Pets] UID:11733 Activity:high
1/9     hey what happened to danh.  I enjoyed his walls of bizarre stories.
        haven't seen those in a while.  -danh #1 fan
        \_ I heard he got married and settled down in Antioch.
           \_ he has a cat and a baby on the way... due in June
              \_ rad!  I love cats!  Is the baby due the same month?
              \_ The cat will steal the baby's breath!
              \_ uhh, you guys are kidding right?
                \_ Dude, "he has a cat and a baby on the way" in a danh
                   context can only mean he's mail-ordered some horrid
                   Mongolian jungle tiger, and a Somali war orphan to feed
                   it with.  -John
                   \_ this is funny.  - motd humor critic
                      \_ no it's not.  John is not as funny as the anonymous
                         motd comic.  -amc #1 fan
                         \_ Yes he is. amc, what have you done for me lately?
2003/12/1 [Recreation/Pets] UID:29678 Activity:nil
12/1    link:csua.org/u/54k
        Say hello to my boomstick! (dogs maul people)
        \_ What's interesting is that the dogs had attacked people before,
           and the dogs hadn't been shot then.  Apparently the owners hadn't
           even been held responsible.  The freak?
2003/11/26-27 [Recreation/Pets, Recreation/Humor, Recreation/Media] UID:11241 Activity:nil
11/26   How to Kill Your Neighbor's Dog was a very good movie rental-- along
        the lines of Adaptation, but funnier and not so strange.
        \_ This coming from someone who thought Adaptation was "strange"
2003/9/26-27 [Recreation/Pets] UID:10340 Activity:nil
9/26    Is pet insurance worth it or is it a scam?
        \_ what's your pet worth anyway?
            \_When you get medical insurance, do you consider how much you are
              worth also?
        \_ What is pet insurance?
        \_ i bet the owner of the dog i ran over a month ago would think it's
           worth it (made a nice *crunch* sound)
        \_ are you talking about pet health insurance?  If your dog gets run
           over then you still end up making those payments.
2003/9/13 [Recreation/Dating, Recreation/Pets] UID:29537 Activity:nil 50%like:10182
9/12    http://www.cnn.com/offbeat/gallery/content2.html
2003/6/24 [Recreation/Pets] UID:28825 Activity:high
6/24    I find that asian couples tend to call each other by a pet name
        more often than caucasians.  Is this true?  Quick poll, what do you
        call your SO most of the time?
        first name:
        honey:
        darling:
        'merv': .
        other pet name: .
        \_ You may have been watching too much anime
        'merv': .
        other pet name: .
        \_ I have never heard asians call each other by petnames.
           They are all too formal to do such things.
        \_ Belladandy: .
2003/6/22-23 [Recreation/Pets, Politics/Foreign/Europe] UID:28806 Activity:low
6/22    I *knew* it!  I knew they were tapping my brain with electrical
        waves!  http://www.klas-tv.com/Global/story.asp?S=1330758&nav=168XGVQf
        \_ protect yourself now: http://zapatopi.net/afdb.html
2003/6/8-9 [Recreation/Pets] UID:28671 Activity:moderate
6/8     I just saw a disturbing video of a dog humping Pikachu. Why would
        a dog do something like that?
        \_ It's what dogs do.
        \_ P1K4CHU 15 4 H07 4514N, UM, CH1X!
           \_ there's a girl at my work named Pik Chu.
              \_ And my workplace a Kim Chi.
2003/5/23 [Recreation/Pets] UID:28536 Activity:moderate
5/22    WANTD: Recipies for civet cats.
        \_ http://www.ooze.com/ooze13/cats.html   Civet shouldn't be
           too much of a stretch.  -John
        \_ See also http://www.straightdope.com/columns/010525.html
                \_ That is extremely funny.  More so because I can just
                   imagine the type of people who pay that much for coffee.
        \_ What's with the civets today? http://csua.org/u/30e
2003/5/10-11 [Recreation/Pets] UID:28398 Activity:high
5/10    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-674949,00.html
        This is just... unreal. Besides the other stuff, is it common in
        China for people's pets to just be running around loose outside
        or in apartment buildings? I can imagine that for cats but dogs?
        \_ More likely they will end up on dinner tables in
           restraunts.
        \_ Personal observation:  When I was there in '95, I saw _no_ stray
           dogs (as opposed to places like Bangkok where feral and stray
           dogs are ubiquitous), but I saw a lot of stray and feral cats.
           The one mother dog I saw was in the zoo, locked up in a cage
           separate from that of her pups, presumably to keep her from
           eating them, as mother dogs are known to do.  (Whaaa~?)
                \_ Cats have parasites, so you can't eat them.
                   \_ random fact: SARS is harmless to cats.  it just
                      passes through their system in a couple weeks, doing
                      no damage.
                      \_ That's what you dirty humans think.  Stay away
                         from us   - big cat
                         \_ Obreddwarfreference
2003/3/5 [Recreation/Pets, Computer/SW/Security] UID:27600 Activity:high
3/4     This is good:
jose             CP       67.121.94.23      3:14PM  1:39 cat /etc/motd.public
        How do you cat something as short as the motd for over 1.5 hours?
        "So the guy at the bar says, 'that's no cat, that's my wife!'" hahahh!
        \_ you can pipe it through "more"
           \_ I guess...  why not just 'more $file'?
              \_ because $file expands to whatever $file is before the command
                 is execed.
                 \_ I was being generic.  I'll spell it out for the anal among
                    you and try again, "why not just 'more /etc/motd.public'?
        \_ or losing an ssh connection while executing the command.
          \_ Doesn't sshd use tricks to detect such stale sessions and kill
             them off, including all applications that belong to the same
             session?
          \_ maybe but it's pretty funky dropping a connection in the split
             second it takes to cat the motd.  im suspicious of this behavior.
2003/2/26 [Recreation/Pets] UID:27543 Activity:nil
2/26    http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/stz_lion.htm
        For that guy who wanted pictures of the shaved kitty.
        \_ the story was almost certainly made up to go with the picture.
        \_ Hilarious! Looks kind of like a poodle.
2003/2/25-26 [Recreation/Pets, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:27522 Activity:high
2/25    Several days ago someone posted some pictures of a cat which all its
        hair are shaven except on its head and the skin on its body looks gray.
        Can someone post that URL again?  I searched for "cat" in
        ~mehlhaff/tmp/motd,v but couldn't find it.  Thanks.
        \_ That was me. Use the wall logs... or maybe GIS --aaron
           \_ I've never used wall.  Where's the wall log file?  Thanks.
                \_ /var/log/wall*
                   \_ Didn't find anything either.  Must be older than 7 days.
                      But thanks anyway.
                      \_ /csua/lib/wall. and how'd you SEE the
                         ORIGINAL wall if you don't use wall? --aaron
                         \_ because it was ALSO posted on the MOTD, aaron,
                            you JACKASS! -!op
                            \_ aw, shit! --aaron
2003/1/21 [Science/Space, Recreation/Pets] UID:27167 Activity:high
1/21    Has anybody found a product that keeps a cat from chewing on
        power cords?  Mine is about to re-enact a scene from Christmas
        Vacation.
        \_ Another undeniable proof that cats are stupid.
        \_ if it's the same ones all the time, look for something at the
           pet store called sour apple or bitter bite or some combination
           of those. spray it on whatever you want and after the first time
           the cat tastes the spray it will make a weird face and never
           bite that again
        \_ brush on some rat poison
        \_ I read this tip in a maxim or some magazine like that. Rub
           some soapy water on the cords and then let it dry (without
           wiping it off)...then when the cat tries chewing on the cord,
           it tastes the bitter soap and hopefully won't touch it again.
           \_ Remember to unplug first before you rub water on them.
              \_ You're putting water on a plastic cord.  If it's already
                 broken through to raw wire you should be tossing the lamp or
                 replacing the entire cord.
        \_ Dude, they *have* nine lives!  Just keep an incremental counter
           and worry about it when it gets to seven or eight.
           \_ Thanks for the laughs.  I love the motd.
2003/1/18 [Recreation/Pets, Recreation/Dating] UID:27145 Activity:high
1/17    What's the English phrase that means "Since you look good, you
        have/deserve a good-looking gf" or "since you're smart, you naturally
        have smart friends" or something like that?  Thanks.
        \_ You so money!
        \_ You're so money!
        \_ I live 3 blocks from here if you ladies are interested.
        \_ Birds of a feather flock together.
           \_ If meant in a bad way, water seeks its own level.
              \_ [apostrophed was here]
        \_ I meant a line like "Things alike get together." or something like
           that.  Is there such a line?  -- OP
           \_ Misery loves company?
              Great minds think alike?
              Birds of a feather flock together? (mentioned above)
                \_ airheads think alike? (u look so good, so do ur friends)
        \_ Your fellatio is promising.
           \_ [apostrophed was here]
        \_ A man is known by his friends
        \_ Like father like son
        \_ Providence
2002/11/7 [Recreation/Pets] UID:26451 Activity:nil
11/6    Dere dis REALLY cute Vietnamnese goat in mah' class. What's de best
        way t'go out wid her?
        \_ Say, "me lika da pho."
        \_ Ask her.  Ah be baaad...
        \_ roofies
        \_ move in wid ha' and neva' say some wo'd until ya' figure
           out she's some ragin' lesbian.  'S coo', bro. - danh
        \_ You's wants'ed advice specific t'Vietdojiggerse honky chicks?
           You's could start by not misspellin' "Vietdojiggerse".
        \_ steal some dog. den feed da bud it togeder.  Ah be baaad...
         \_ Afta' all, whut's de mo'al difference between some hamburger
                  and some collieburger?
            \_ dogs gots' some soul.
               \_ if dogs gots' souls den so's do pigs
            \_ dog's gots sucka'ality.  Right On!
2002/10/10-11 [Recreation/Pets, Recreation/Media] UID:26146 Activity:insanely high
10/9    Birds of Prey, the only new show that can actually make Firefly look
        watchable.  70 minutes of pure hell.
        \_ Yeah. It sucked pretty hard.
        \_ batman did not have a love child with catwoman!
           \_ Um, actually he did -- on Earth-2.  (Not really a "love child",
              the two of them actually got married.)  There hasn't *been*
              an Earth-2 in the comics for a while now, but I see no reason
              why the TV show shouldn't go back to that original
              character concept.
              \_ And you allowed your brain to retain this information...
        \_ Apparently you haven't actually watched Firefly.  It's the first show
           I'm actually interested in seeing weekly in a while.
           \_ I watched Firefly.  You just have no taste.  It was a total
              snoozer and made no sense.
              \_ Funny, it made sense when I watched it (every episode so far).
                 Maybe you're just retarded?
                 \_ I wasn't stoned when watching.  Perhaps you could share?
                    I haven't heard someone use the word "retarded" as an
                    attempted insult since about 5th grade.  Gosh, it takes me
                    back to simpler days... thanks for the memories, kid.
                    \_ Um, the fact that both you and I remember "retarded" as a
                       put-down suggests we're of comparable age.  I'm on an
                       anti-pc kick at the moment.  Were you asking me to share
                       IQ points?  Sorry, they're non-transferrable.
                       \_ I was asking you to share whatever you were smoking
                          when you decided Firefly was worth watching or
                          interesting in anyway.  Maybe the concept of happily
                          legal hookers got your boat floating?  No guilt sex
                          with hookers who *want* to sleep with you?  A good
                          deal for you I think.
                          \_ Ah, now your discontent is clear:  your hookers
                             don't look that good.  I can see how it would be
                             difficult to suspend disbelief when your sad
                             reality assaults you every waking minute.
                             \_ Now I know I want some of whatever you're on.
                                \_ Is it that much of a surprise that I don't
                                   need brain-altering substances to enjoy good
                                   characters and passable writing?  Man, it
                                   *is* a sad little life you lead, isn't it?
                                   \_ You need to check the dictionary.  Those
                                      words don't mean what you seem to think
                                      they mean.  It's a one season show.
                                      \_ You guys should exchange contact
                                         info so you can get into a fist-
                                         fight over it.  I loooove you, motd!!
                                         \_ this thread make my fucking day.
                                            i don't have a tv and have
                                            no idea what the hell they're talk
                                            ing about, but it rules.
                                   \_ This is the lamest conversation ever
                                       \_ Which is lamer?  The conversation or
                                          the person who felt compelled to
                                          comment on it?
                                          \_ Self-referential lameness. Whoo..
              \_ Okay, actual point that Firefly got me hooked--at the end of
                 the first episode, after having a fight (shots fired, knives
                 thrown, etc.) we get the following exchange:
                 Bad guy (about to be released by good guy):
        \_ I was flipping through my cable yesterday and when I saw
           "Birds of Prey", I thought it was an animal program, so I
           switched to it.  After watching for about 2 minutes, I
           switched to a talking heads News channel.  From what I remember
           of the 2 minutes, there were like 3 girls in Birds of Prey.
           One looks ok, the other 2 so-so.  I still prefer watching wild turkeys
           running around on Discovery channel.  What is Firefly?  Is it
           about insects?  The good thing is, now when people talk about
           Birds of Prey, I know what they are talking about instead of
           sounding like a clueless idiot, and having my gen-y cousinette
           call me a retard.
                 "Keep the money. Use it to buy a funeral. It doesn't matter
                 where you go, or how far you fly. I will hunt you down. And the
                 last thing you see will be my blade."
                 Good guy:
                 "Darn." -- Boots bad guy right into the engine.
                 They've got me for the first season just for that moment.
                 \_ You mean the only season.
                    \_ Um, no.  I mean the first season.  It's already better
                       than the first season of Enterprise, so I'm confident
                       it'll get at least one more.
        \_ I was semi-excited to watch the premiere, but I had to turn it off
           after 20 minutes.  It was that God-awful.  I knew it was in trouble
           the moment the daughter was supposedly crying over her dead mom.
           Could her acting actually be any worse?
           \_ Hey!  That was *quality* acting!  As a Batman fan I'm also
              annoyed that they have the Joker doing his own thug work and
              Batman just sort of "left town, I guess, gee, golly".  Where's
              the first and last season of Firefly when you need it?
        \_ I was flipping through my cable yesterday and when I saw "Birds of
           Prey", I thought it was an animal program, so I switched to it.
           After watching for about 2 minutes, I switched to a talking heads
           News channel.  From what I remember of the 2 minutes, there were like
           3 girls in Birds of Prey.  One looks ok, the other 2 so-so.  I still
           prefer watching wild turkeys running around on Discovery channel.
           What is Firefly?  Is it about insects?  The good thing is, now when
           people talk about Birds of Prey, I know what they are talking about
           instead of sounding like a clueless idiot, and having my gen-y
           cousinette call me a retard.
           \_ is't that a klingon war ship?  is this some kind of startrek
              thing?
           \_ What's a cousinette?
2002/4/17 [Recreation/Pets] UID:24459 Activity:nil
4/16    What is the sh equivalent of "foreach x (`cat foo`) ?
        \_ for x in `cat foo` ; do stuff ; done ;
2002/4/8-9 [Recreation/Pets] UID:24369 Activity:moderate
4/8     Typical anti-dog thugs at it again working over disabled guy.
        http://www.msnbc.com/local/KNSD/A1153618.asp?cp1=1
        \_ huh? who are the anti-dog thugs in the incident?  the cat?
           you understand it was a cat that attacked the dog and the dog
           owner who's suing, don't you?  what exactly is typical about
           a cat attacking a dog, and who are the thugs?  what the fuck
           are you talking about?
2002/2/8 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Kinney, Recreation/Pets] UID:23812 Activity:nil
2/7     If kinney were in prison, would he be a:
        bull queer:
        bitch: .
        J-Cat: .
        blameless victim of society imprisoned unfairly by The Man: ..
2001/11/5-6 [Recreation/Pets] UID:22940 Activity:high
11/5    Is there a place in Berkeley that adopts homeless pets? Near my house
        lives a cat that obviously is a domestic kind of cat. It doesn't seem
        to be adapted for living on the street at all. I feed it occasionally
        but can't take it home because of my housemates and the
        landlord. -akopps
        \_ Do you live in that house on Ellsworth by any chance? I hate that
           damn cat.
        \_ Just make sure that you don't give the cat to aspolito.  He'll
           tell you that he's a cat lover.  And he's 100% correct.  He loves
           cats. LITERALLY!  He have sex with cats.  Some of them die during
           intercourse.  It's really disgusting.  Avoid aspolito at all cost!
           \_ Male or female cats?
        \_ why don't you install ipf on it
        \_ Also, what about in the Fremont or Union City area?
        \_ How old?  Kittens are easy to give away.
        \_ ASPCA or a lesbian couple
           \_ ?
              \_ American (?) Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to
                 Animals
        \_ there are lots of places around here, but I'd call the local humane
           society and ask them for a listing of non-kill facilities in the
           area.  Older cats are harder to adopt so please don't take one to
           some place that will put it down in a year.
           \_ meowr
2001/7/26 [Recreation/Pets] UID:21950 Activity:very high
7/25    Do people walk their cats?  I want to try putting a leash on my cat
        and walk her outdoor like a dog, but I'm afraid I might get sued for
        animal cruelty or something like that.
             \_ My neighbor in Cupertino does....looks weird.  ^_^
                         Why is it that Asian people don't use _/
                      the standard "sideways" smileys a la Bitnet?
                      \_ I think in Japan the standard smiley is the upright
                         one.
        \_ Leashes for cats are retarded, period.  All cats are
           outdoor animals--you should put a nametag on them, make sure
           they have had their shots, and send them off.  If you feed them,
           they will return.  Putting a leash on one puts you in the same
           league as little old ladies who dress up their poodles and feed
           them tea cakes.  -John
             \_ My neighbor in Cupertino does....looks weird.  ^_^
                         Why is it that Asian people don't use _/
                      the standard "sideways" smileys a la Bitnet?
        \_ well, don't put it on their neck. i could imagine some kind of
           harness on the body. why would you want to do this? why can't the
           cat just do the cat thing outside on its own?
        \_ usually the cat will let you know.  Every cat i know who wanted
           company while walked just walked a little ahead of the human, and
           made sure the human wasn't going to wander.  - paolo
           \_ What Paolo said.  -- ilyas
           \_ If you're worried about the SPCA, etc., then put the lease
              around your own neck and then attach the other end to the cat.
              They can't really complain about that.
                      \_ I think in Japan the standard smiley is the upright
                         one.
        \_ It should be fine, so long as you're not swinging the animal
           around your head by the leash.
           \_ Darn. That's just want I wanted to do with my cat.
        \_ Garfield hates leashes Jon. You should know that by now.
        \_ yeah PETA really cares
        \_ Yes, people walk their cats. I walk mine and have since she was
           a kitten. They don't walk like dogs, though. Expect to cover
           very little ground in a lot of time. I've seen other people walking
           cats from time to time. There's nothing cruel about it. --dim
2001/7/15-16 [Recreation/Pets, Health/Women] UID:21803 Activity:very high
7/14  So the poor guy that rid this world of Leo got smacked with
      a 3 year jail sentence. I hope that judge that sentenced him
      gets mauled to death by a tiny little useless dog.
      \_ seriously. guy's life is screwed now...hope he gets parole
         soon.
         \_ the said guy was a moron anyway.  why do you feel sorry for him?
            he's a social misfit who obviously can't control his anger.
              besides, now he's currently under trial for stealing equipment
              from PacBell.
            in addition, now he's currently under trial for stealing
            equipment from PacBell.
            \_ And this is what's WRONG with him?  Who the fuck are you?
               \_ Clearly his actions aren't civilized behavior.  He got
                  what he deserved.  What's your problem?
      \_ Look, when your casual drug dealer, who is doing nothing wrong
         to anybody, and in fact providing people with a service, gets
         10 to 20, you can't really expect me to be sorry for this
         bastard.
         \_ Not to say that that guy didn't deserve it, but shouldn't you be
            arguing against jailing the casual drug dealer instead of using
            him as an example of "oh well, the system's f*ed"?
      \_ First, he's not a moron. Don't tell me you've never stolen
         equipment from your school or work, and don't tell me you've
         \_ I have never stolen equipment from school or work.  If you have,
            you are scum, and I hope you end up in prison one day.
         never been outraged at an animal. Next, I feel sorry for him
         because the poor guy is gonna be locked away for 3 freaking
         years because he did away with a lowly animal. It wasn't a
         \_ bah, with good behavior, just 1.5 years
            \_ 3 months
         human baby or anything, but a #$%& dog! To me, it's the same
         thing as throwing out a houseplant. A dog's got a bit more brains,
         but it's still inferior to humans. => Fine him; that's all.
         \_ It doesn't matter if it's inferior to humans. Retards are inferior
            to me but that doesn't mean I can throw them into traffic. Besides
            animals have value to their owners that you can't calculate easily
            like a broken window. You can't just buy a new one and that's it.
            Animals have memories and personalities, some more than others.
            If advanced aliens come along they should throw you into traffic.
            \_ All men are created equal. Retards are not "inferior" to you
               or anyone else. They are full citizens in the eyes god and the
               law. - nitpicker
         \_ You obviously have never had a dog.
              \_ That's true, I never have. But, although I do realize
                 that people often treat their pets as companions, I
                 don't think that dogs/animals deserve the same status
                 as humans.
                 \_ they don't have the same status as humans.  If the guy
                    threw a baby named Leo into oncoming traffic, he'd have
                    gotten a lot more than 3 years.
                    \_ What if the baby was ugly, useless, and barked in
                       a really annoying manner?
                       \_ that describes every baby i've ever seen, only
                          replaced "bark" with "cry".
                       \_ Then I'd Leo its ass.
                       \_ it'd end up a motd poster just like you
         \_ I have never stolen equipment from school or work.  Just because
            you have no ethics doesn't mean I don't.  The dog owner dinged his
            precious SUV, so he walked over to her, grabbed the dog, and threw
            it into traffic.  Animal abusers are often sociopaths anyway, so
      \_ In PC-eco whack america today animals are as
         if not more important than humans.  Look at the farmers
         vs. the sucker fish in Klamath Falls, Or.
            it's a good idea to get these nuts off the street.
      \_ If you get mad at a dog, kill it and serve it to its owner.  If
         you get mad at a baby, do not kill it THAT IS WRONG!! just sew up
         its mystery hole and keep feeding it peas.  The End.
      \_ In PC-eco whack america today animals are as if not more important
         than humans.  Look at the farmers vs. the sucker fish in Klamath
         Falls, Or.
         \_ Save a farmer! Fillet a sucker fish!
         \_ Die farmers, die!  HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
         \_ Hey, this is America. Love it or leave it, dude.
            \_ The whacked PC eco nutcase liberalism is the complete
               antithesis of the principles that America is based on.
               We love America, its the whacked out PC eco nutcases
               who need to leave.
2001/5/7 [Recreation/Pets] UID:21196 Activity:high
5/7     http://www.sptimes.com/News/050401/TampaBay/Unusual_otter_attack_.shtml
        Attack otter kills dog, attacks man's foot.  All otters must be
        licensed and confined or destroyed.  Let's do it for the children!
        \_ Let's sue the otter industry!
2001/5/5-7 [Recreation/Food, Recreation/Pets] UID:21174 Activity:insanely high
5/5     At top dog, what type of sausage do you like best?  My favorite
        is the calabrese.
        \_ Bird Dog
           \_ Bird, Dawg:
              http://www.midnightinsanity.com/Photo/Lingerie/Julie2.jpg
              \_ ouch.  that almost as awful as http://www.ouchytheclown.com
              \_ ouch.  that's almost as awful as http://www.ouchytheclown.com
                 \_ even nastier
              \_ nasty.
           \_ You son of a motherless goat! Only an idiot with his head
              stuck in his urethra could possibly stand a Bird Dog.
              You call yourself an eater of meat?
                \_ There's not much other choice if you're not an eater
                         of swine.
           \_ what's a bird dog?  Chicken and turkey combination?
              BTW, is it still open till 2:00am?
              \_ yes. yes.
              \_ depends on which Top Dog.  Northside Top Dog has different
                 hours than the southside one, I think.
                 \_ northside closes ~11pm
                 \_ the hours are different on different days, too.
        \_ Lubricated Kielbasa.
        \_ you know, I haven't been to Top Dog for so long, I think when
           I visit, I'll take some.  Berkeley actually has lots of good
           food, inexpensive and medium priced.  Does Lyon's in Emerville
           still close at Midnight?
        \_ Hot link.
        \_ what is the correct way to pronounce "calabrese"?
           \_ Kah-Lah-Breh-Seh, and roll your 'r's.  -John
             \| no.  change the "Seh" to "Zeh".  -dpetrou
                \_ Zorry about zat.  -John
                        \_ It's pronounced "Cal"!  -tom
        \_ Smocked chicken apple is good.
           \_ they haev a hot dog made out of soy ... what's it called?  The
        \_ German bratwurst (or was it bockwurst?)
                  \_ yum!              \_ ick!
        \_ Calabrese and Hot Link
        \_ Lemon Chicken
        \_ mmmm. cock.
        \_ Gave up eating meat. But I used always have a Hot Link or whatever
           they were called.
           \_ Your mom had a hot link last night.
              \_ I did not. - yermom
           \_ they have a hot dog made out of soy ... what's it called?  The
              Weenie?
        \_ top dog.  lemon chicken.  I miss the New York frankfurters. dont you?
2001/3/11 [Recreation/Pets] UID:20750 Activity:insanely high
3/11    I wish the moron who thinks it's clever to spell it "linSUX" would
        just shut the fuck up.
           \_ it SUX, hence LinSUX. Its no different than SlowLaris or M$ Lose*.
              The truth hurts doesn't it? Grow up and get a Real OS.
        \_ Sadly, I think alot of morons have taken up this particular
           witticism.  I used to be a linux guy myself, but after struggling
           with it in a production environment for the last year, I'm not so
           impressed with it anymore.
                  \_ Its a cheap toy that's been hyped to all get out.
                     When people wake up and realize that there is nothing
                     that LinSUX can do that other systems do *much* better
                     it will fizzle away and die.
                     Some fine examples of the stupidity of LinSUX Lusers
                     can be found on this page:
                     http://members.verizon.net/~jjdarcy/linux_essays
           \_ You must avenge my death, Kimba -- I mean, Simba.
              \_ Almost.
                 \_ Oh Mufusa. Why have thou forsaken me?
           \_ Luke, I am your father.
              \_ that one was lame.
           \_ This is CNN.
              \_ this one's even lamer.
           \_ The leader is good. The leader is great. We surrender our will
              as of this date.
              \_ I assume this is an attempt to be clever or funny.  You
                 seem to have missed on both counts, kid.  Keep trying --
                 maybe you'll get it right eventually.
                 \_ What are you going to do? Release the dogs? Or the bees?
                           Who let the dogs out? _/
                           \_ Woof, woof, woof-woof.
                    Or the dogs with bees in their mouths so that when they
                    bark they shoot bees at you? Well go ahead. Do your worst.
                    \_ naah.  I'll just mildly mock you for your lack of
                       originality.
                       \_ how is that unoriginal?
              \_ nana-nana-na, leader!  nana-nana-na leader!  leader!  leader!
                 \_ batman! I mean leader! I love the leader!
        \_ On a not-so-related note, why does everyone say "fscking" instead
           of "fucking"? Yes, I know what fsck is, but it still doesn't make
           any sort of clever sense.
           \_ Don't blame me. Blame it on the Percidan. If you ask me that
              stuff rots your brains.
2001/3/9-10 [Computer/SW/Mail, Recreation/Pets] UID:20734 Activity:moderate
3/8     I am looking for a Calendar Server that will work with (open)LDAP
        as well as interacting with microsoft outlook clients (so that a
        person using outlook can see the schedules of others in their group).
        However, i don't want to use Exchange.  Is there something out there
        that does all this well? what?
        \_ Have you looked at MS Project? It might do this.
        \_ Might want to check out CorporateTime. Has a client for
           practically everything and an Outlook Connector for those
           who want to use Outlook to access. See:
            http://www.steltor.com
            \_ the outlook connector sucks if you try to use it for
               email..
                \_ everything about outlook sucks if you try to use it for
                   email
        \_ iPlanet.
                \_ He said "well".
                   \_ name something better.
                        \_ I didn't say there was better or worse.  I was
                           saying it doesn't do it "well" as requested.  You
                           can use 'cat' to write a novel, but it doesn't do
                           it "well".  Emacs or vi are the "upgrade" from using
                           cat to write a novel.  iPlanet is still at the cat
                           stage.  I shouldn't have to spell this out to a Cal
                           student.  Have things continued to decline over the
                           years?  Maybe too many "American Cultures" garbage
                           requirements getting in the way of learning and
                           thought.
                           \_ When cat was the only game in town, you had
                              to use cat. The only thing you've got now is
                              cat and you have to write a novel, WTF are you
                              going to do?!? I know, you're just not going
                              to write the novel, because your tools suck.
                              Yeah, that's it. iPlanet is the only game in
                              town, it may be cat, but its all you've got.
                              Suggest an alternative that works better or
                              STFU.
                                \_ Exchange works better.  Yes, I've used both
                                   extensively.  Have you?  "STFU" yourself if
                                   you haven't.  The original poster is just in
                                   an anti-MS whine.  There's a reason iPlanet
                                   \_ Exchange is shit. Total and complete shit.
                                      M$ couldn't code its way out of a paper bag
                                      to save its life. I've used iPlanet and
                                      exchange before. They both SUCK, but if
                                      iPlanet is cat, then exchange is cave
                                      painting.
                                      They *tried* to get it running at Cisco,
                                      with help from *M$* and it took months and
                                      still wouldn't work right. It was finally
                                      shelved. Many of us felt that management
                                      was total f'ed up to even try a shitty M$
                                      product. It was a total waste of time and
                                      money.
                                   is free.  You're getting what you paid for.
                                   \_ My original post was deleted, but heres
                                      the basic summary: Exchange is shit, its
                                      worse than shit. Cisco management wasted
                                      lots of $s and got M$ to help and still
                                      scrapped Exchange because it SUX! We told
                                      them it SUX but they didn't believe us.
                                        \_ Yes, Exchange sucks.  It's still
                                           better than iplanet.  Exchange is
                                           like ED.  iplanet is like cat.
                                           \_ If iPlanet == cat, then Exchange
                                              is akin to gorillas beating each
                                              other with sticks. Several million
                                              evolution is required for Exchange
                                               to stop sucking.
2001/2/14-15 [Recreation/Pets] UID:20598 Activity:high
2/13    http://www.restrooms.org/standing.html
        \_ Where do you people find stuff like this?!?
           \_ dude. you never heard of http://restrooms.org? you're so behind the
              times...
        \_ it's L337, h4xor!
        \_ While we're on this topic.  Why don't we use sea water to flush our
           toilets?  This way we don't have to worry about conservation.  In
           Hong Kong sea water is used to flush the toilets, and tanks are
           huge (about 8-10 gallons) even though conservation of drinking water
           is a big issue.  The water department does charge for flush water,
           but it's at a much lower rate than drinking water.  Here we can at
           least do this in costal regions.  Yeah we need to build new pipes,
           but still.
                \_ It would cost billions of dollars to build a secondary set
                   of pipes & infrastructure this late in the game.  Besides,
                   what would dogs drink out of if the toilet water wasn't
                   drinkable?
                   \_ Dogs drink out of toilets???  Yucks!
                      \_ Yeah, makes you wonder why anyone would want to
                         own a dog. Cats are not much better, they keep
                         licking themselves all the time. When you touch
                         a cat you are touching a big wad of saliva.
                         Disgusting.
                         \_ But that's still better than touching dog saliva
                            which means touching toilet water which means
                            touching excrement.  BTW how come dogs don't
                            catch diseases that way?
                            \_ Dogs like to dig up cat shit and eat it.
                         \_ not all dogs do this.  my dog never drank out of
                            the toilet nor dug up cat poop.
                      \_ yeah, dogs drink out of toilets and animals lick
                      their genitals too! And some people let dogs lick
                      their face.
                      \_ I was having sex with the girlfriend and
                         I flipped her over and there was a big brown
                         streak in her buttcrack.  horrific
                         \_ Your gf was licking your dog's ass?  Huh?
                      \_ haven't you ever wondered why dog breath smells like
                         ass?
                      \_ i brush my dogs teeth everyday.
                      \_ My friend caught his roommate letting his dog lick
                         peanut butter off his (the roommate's) genitals.
                         \_ got milk?
                            \_ If the dog licked long enough it would get milk.
                               \_ That's not milk. If the roomate was a she
                                  and breasts where involved you would be
                                  correct.
                         \_ Was it a male dog or female dog?
                        \_ What's any of this dog hater stuff have to do with
                           salt water toilets?  Go get a date.
                           \_ I got one. Do you?
2001/2/6-7 [Recreation/Pets] UID:20504 Activity:nil
2/6     O cat? A taco?
2000/11/29-30 [Recreation/Pets] UID:19942 Activity:moderate
11/28   So how is that "more" is able to get keyboard commands when you're
        already piping data to it via stdin while executing something like
        cat foo | more ?
        \_ Good question.  It's an ugly hack: it reads your keyboard
           input from stderr, which is usually your terminal.  (And yes,
           this means that more won't work if you redirect its stderr.)
           The problem is that unix doesn't let a command in the middle
           of a pipeline, like more, get access to the stdin of the
           command at the beginning of the pipeline.  You see this with
           xargs too: "cat users | xargs mail" looks like it should do
           the same thing as "mail `cat users`", but it doesn't -- it
           actually sends a blank mail to each of those users, because
           xargs can't read the stdin of the entire pipeline.
           \_ as usual, good question, idiotic answer. stderr is not
              readable. see aaron's comment below. more opens its
              controlling tty and reads directly from there.
              \_ stderr is readable, and more really does read it; try
                 "truss more" on Solaris.  (FreeBSD's "more" is actually
                 a link to less.)
        \_ learn about ttys. stevens apue is a good start --aaron
        \_ magic.
2000/9/21-22 [Recreation/Pets, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea] UID:19308 Activity:moderate
9/21    http://www.f1.net.au/users/dan/hanging.htm
        \_ What is this, some kind of GOOK recipe book?
           \_ "How to stew your round-eye yankee POWs" - flavoured
              with agent orange.
        \_ sick.  i did see a skinned dog being sold.  i almost threw up
           and i did go into hysterics in the middle of a very busy korean
           market.
1999/9/14-15 [Recreation/Pets] UID:16510 Activity:moderate
9/13    Damnit.  free cat.  3 months.  black.  2.5 lbs.  female.  answers
        to the name "it".  take it before i toss it out the window.
        -- sky
        \_ cat has been spoken for.  --sky
        \_ Is that before or after putting it in the microwave
        \_ Huh huh... he said, "free pussy..."
         \_ uh no.  he said free cat.  reading isn't your strong point is it?
        \_ "mal" = "bad" in French
           \_ "huh?" = "confused" in English
1999/8/9-10 [Recreation/Pets] UID:16276 Activity:high
8/9     Biologic buffs-- I've always wanted to ask this question. Why do
        birds fly in a V formation when they migrate? How is the V formation
        advantageous for their migration? I don't understand.
        \_ All this drafting stuff is just garbage.  They do it as Mother
           Earth's way of saying "Peace!" to everyone down below.  Science is
           a myth.  -earthmother
        \_ The bird behind takes advantage of the air dragging effect of some
           sort on the wing tip of the bird in front, so as to save energy.
           Don't know exactly what it's called.  It's the same idea when
           bicycle racers tailgate their teammates.  -- yuen
           \_ Drafting.
           \_ The birds wings throw off wing-tip vortices, which swirl back
              upward on the outside sides of the bird's flight path.  So when
              birds fly to the sides and behind, they get slight updrafts from
              the leading bird's vortices.  -ERic
              \_ see http://www.gi.alaska.edu/ScienceForum/ASF12/1248.html -ERic
        \_ Furthermore, they switch off being lead bird, since that one
           doesn't get to draft.  Look up agent-based simulations
           of bird migration, and see how few instructions need to be
           coded in order to observe the V pattern.
           \_ When I ran cross country, the last person in a line would have
              to sprint to the front. Then the new last person in line would
              do the same. But we used to call them fartlickers. Our coach
              told us some guy named Fartlicker came up with the idea.
              \_ MEEP MEEP
              \_ it's a modification of the typical paceline used less
                 for the drafting then as an exercise to improve one's
                 ability to change pace.  It's goes by various names
                 often depending on the coach.  --jon
              \_ Why didn't the first person drop to the back instead?
                 Wouldn't a short sprint consume more energy and be more
                 likely to overtire the runner?
           \_ Fartlek is swedish or something for drafting or interval
              training or something like that. Our coach yelled at us if
              we made fun of the name.  Then he got caught sleeping with
              his female students and we didn't have to run fartlickers
              anymore.
              \_ A Fartlek is a training technique involving running a series
                 of alternating short full-speed sprints and low speed jogs to
                 recover.
              \_ It (supposedly) stands for SPEED PLAY.
1999/3/1 [Recreation/Dating, Recreation/Pets] UID:15499 Activity:nil
2/28    Sex with dogs
        \_ no, sex w/ cats
1998/10/26 [Recreation/Pets] UID:14832 Activity:moderate
10/26   when cats get depressed, do they get diaarhea?
        \_ Who cares?  Its just a cat.
                \_ You care when you have new berber carpet.
1998/8/9-13 [Recreation/Pets] UID:14433 Activity:nil
8/7     http://www.unrealnation.com/crackhouse/catscan.html
        \_ Cat Butt: Fear It!  -=Aubie
1998/5/4-6 [Computer/SW/Apps/Media, Recreation/Pets] UID:14043 Activity:moderate
5/1     Anyone know the name of the song in the Swatch commercials?
        "Free to give my life...."???  Artist and title?  Thanks.
        \_ Midge Ure "Breathe"
        \_ The commercial and the song is nice, but it doesn't make me
           feel such a need to buy a watch.
           \_ I have bought 4 Swatches in the past 10 days. I didn't think
              it was because of the commercial, though... but, then again
              I don't have any pets, I don't think... of course, you could
              count the cat but GODDAMN THAT FUCKIN CAT!
           \_ How does Tyra Banks make you feel?
              \_ Potatos.
                \_ Potatoes.
                \_ Protoss
1998/4/24-26 [Recreation/Pets] UID:14007 Activity:high
4/24    Does anyone know of pet-sitting services where someone houses
        your pet for a modest fee for an extended period of time (1 yr.)?
        \_ A year?  After a year your pet won't even know who you are.
             \_ My dog has better memory than my husband.
                \_ This says nothing about your dog.
             \_ So many people think animals are like people that it's
                amazing... then there's the wacko on the campanile, yeah,
                Dr. Doolittle himself couldn't seduce a pig as well as
                chain, as does the pet aformentioned pet who would attempt
                that guy. I'm sure he rejoyces every time a bird shits on
                him. Personally, I believe in the concept of the food
                chain, as does the aformentioned pet who would attempt
                to eat its loving owner in a second if hungry enough.
                "We should all live in tee-pees because it would be much
                better that way." (Tree-hugging lab-rat-fucking hippies
                piss me off. I'm going to go eat some veal. FOOD CHAIN!)
                BTW, I don't know any pet-sitters.
                \_ WHAT is your point?
                   \_ I think his point is that he forgot to take his lithium.
                \_ What the hell are you talking about?  Are you agreeing?
                   Disagreeing?  Talking about something else entirely?
2017/11/22 [General] UID:1000 Activity:popular
11/22   
Results 1 - 150 of 168   < 1 2 >
Berkeley CSUA MOTD:Recreation:Pets:
.