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| 11/23 |
| 2013/3/5-26 [Recreation/Food/Alcohol, Recreation/Food] UID:54619 Activity:nil |
3/5 http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-charm-school-20130305,0,1910998.story Berkeley needed this long time ago. You engineers smell! |
| 2012/10/19-12/4 [Recreation/Food/Alcohol] UID:54507 Activity:nil |
10/19 Techie Booze Guidelines: Developers drink beer. QA drinks wine.
Ops drinks hard liquor. DBAs drink the blood of the innocent. |
| 2012/10/2-11/7 [Recreation/Food/Alcohol, Recreation/Food] UID:54489 Activity:nil |
10/1 Is Steve's BBQ still around?
\_ yes. can't you google for it? http://www.yelp.com/biz/steves-bar-b-que-berkeley
\_ http://csua.com/?entry=28112 and http://csua.com/?entry=21798 |
| 2012/5/9-6/4 [Recreation/Food/Alcohol, Science/GlobalWarming] UID:54385 Activity:nil |
5/9 "Science Reveals How Not to Spill Your Coffee When Walking"
http://www.csua.org/u/wcr
No wonder the UC is short in funding. Just put a damn lid on!
\_ Before you complain "Now that there are studies for everything,
some day we'll hear about studiets on studies", please note that the
Pentagon is always one step ahead of you:
"This Is Not a Joke: Government Issues Study of a Study About
Studies" http://www.csua.org/u/we6 (news.yahoo.com) |
| 2010/3/23-4/14 [Recreation/Food/Alcohol, Reference/Religion] UID:53758 Activity:nil |
3/23 Oh my God! Even He is a parent who needs to worry about child obesity.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_med_last_supper_obesity |
| 2009/11/4-17 [Recreation/Food/Alcohol, Recreation/Food] UID:53497 Activity:nil |
11/4 http://boss.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/10/29/one-hundred-things-restaurant-staffers-should-never-do-part-one/?src=tp \_ sorry, why should we care? Who runs restaurants here? |
| 2009/10/12-11/3 [Recreation/Food/Alcohol, Recreation/Food] UID:53446 Activity:low |
10/12 In the same spirit as below, I'm going to be in the Florida Keys
for a few days Thanksgiving Week. Any recs on what to do, where
to stay, what to eat. All I know about is going snorkeling.
Also in Miami for a day and half, if you have any recs there.
\_ http://csua.com/?entry=51778
\_ You know how when you depart from an airport you need to pay
extra $2-3, depending on the airport? Well one time I took
a taxi from Miami back to the airport, and when I got
off the taxi I gave the driver $14 (fee) plus $2 tip. He asked
for tip. I explained that I already gave him $2 tip and he got
all worked up and said I need to pay the extra $2 airport fee.
"I work for tip, mon!" I explained on the taxi sign that the
extra fee would be incurred when going out of the airport,
not going in. He obviously didn't read English well and started
to curse at me. I gave him the extra $2 so that he would go
away but went to an authority and confirmed that they're not suppose
to do that. I then called the mass transit/taxi registration
to report the case since I got his taxi stall number, and
they promised to call me back on their investigation. They never
called back. You really have to watch out in Miami. It is
not as peachy as Seattle or Houston. Shit hole.
\_ Leaving the SF airport, I had a cabbie not turn on the meter
until we were already into the ride, and tell me "to here
it's usually $2, so you can pay me $2 more than the meter."
The scam is that they have to pay the taxi company based
on the meter (which should include any airport fees), and
they're pocketing the extra. -tom
\_ Miami is like a 3rd world country. If you like Los Angeles
then you may like Miami. Lots and lots of ethnic food, TRAFFIC,
women in skimpy clothes and shady looking guys in gold that
scream ROB ME PLEASE, TRAFFIC TRAFFIC and lots of rude
\_ and really really nice cars
drivers, partying, ethnic food, lousy parking situation.
Driving there REALLY sucks. So in a sense it's like a
hybrid of Venice, Rodeo Drive, Hollywood Sunset, and I-10 freeway
all merged into one. If that's your kind of thing, yeah go to
Miami. -person who will NEVER go back
\_ Good food and partying with scantily clad women. I can see why
you'd avoid it. Driving sucks in every big city and it's 10x
worse to drive in Boston or DC than it is in LA. How does
Miami's traffic compare to those?
\_ I don't like Los Angeles, and that's probably why
I don't like Miami. If that's your type of thing, fine.
\_ Maybe you should say what you *do* like. So far we know
you don't like food, don't like parties, don't like
scantily clad women, and don't like traffic. We need
to calibrate your comments. Let us know that you like
quiet time at home reading, bookstores, skiing, fat women
who wear glasses and your favorite food is a sandwich (or
whatever).
\_ I love food and whatever you said, I just don't
enjoy driving between the points in Los Angeles.
I don't enjoy I-10, I-110, I-405, I-5, and whatever
it is you need to take to get between the amazing
points of interest on Sunset, Santa Monica, Westwood,
Orange County, and what not. I'll gladly take
inferior ethnic food in the Bay Area without your
rude drivers and the time you need to spend on the
road, thank you very much.
\_ Bay Area has great food.
\_ Compared to many places, yes. Try to find
a decent burrito, though, for example.
\_ I actually don't like most mexican food.
I never liked beans and salsa.
\_ Probably because you never had good
Mexican food. What kind of food *do*
you like?
\_ Cheap likes: Italian, Japanese
Expensive likes: French, Russian
I suppose any big city will do,
but I think elite foodies will
beg to differ and offer a plethora
of suggestions below.
\_ I don't find Italian or Japanese
to be cheap. Maybe you should try
Mexican fish dishes. The best
catfish I had in my life was at
a gourmet Mexican restaurant and
the sauce was made with guava. The
Mexican preparation of skate
wings is also really good. In LA, I
really like La Serenata de
Garibaldi and miss (now gone) El
Emperador Maya. I also like Monte
Alban, Guelaguetza, and Babita. I
have heard Rosa Mexicano is good,
but I don't know. It's a small
chain like Border Grill. Menu looks
good. Do any of the dishes in
good. Also heard good things
about LA institution El Rinconcito Del
Mar. Do any of the dishes in
the "Favorites" section of the below
page appeal to you?
http://tinyurl.com/yfo3twx
\_ I've been to nice Mexican
and Texmex restaurants and I
just don't enjoy them as much
the same way certain people
don't enjoy pizza or burgers.
Having that said, yes a lot of
the food desc are good, I would
probably like them, esp. the
ones without beans and salsa.
Thanks for your suggestions.
Are there any other non Mex food
in LA you can recommend?
\_ Papalote is decent, but LA Burrito > SF Burrito
http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast?id=73331041
Burrito discussion starts at 44:29.
\_ SF Burrito > Miami Burrito
\_ Mexico burrito > SF burrito
\_ No such thing as a Mexico Burrito.
\_ SF Cuban <<<<< Miami Cuban
\_ You would think that, but when I was in
Miami I never had any great Cuban food.
The Jamaican food was great. I was only
there for a week and busy campaigning
for Obama, so I didn't really have time
to check out Little Havana. Do you have
any particular places you would recommend?
\_ If you couldn't find good Cuban in
Miami then you are hopeless.
\_ If you can't help by offering
alternatives then you're a total
ass !op
\_ Maybe so, but a 60 second
Internet search followed by
a talk with a concierge and
perhaps a few locals is not
hard to do. It's not like
searching for good Latvian food
in Arizona. Maybe the OP just
doesn't like Cuban food. I'm
curious where he had better.
Only better I had was in my
friend's kitchen.
\_ If the op wanted opinion from
a random guy on the internet,
he would have searched
already. There is
value/anti-value in
getting opinions from CSUAers.
If you missed that point,
why bother contributing shit
on motd you fucking dip shit?
\_ Teaching a man to fish
is more valuable than
giving him a fish.
\_ I was in Opa-locka and Miami
Garden busting my ass 16 hours
a day campaigning, I didn't
have time to go to the
Republican parts of Cuban
Miami. The only real Cuban
food I had was from my bosses
wife in The Army, who was
Cuban. Cha Cha Cha has a few
vaguely Cuban dishes, which
I like. In Miami, I asked
quite a few locals where to
food I have ever had was from
my bosses wife in The Army,
who was Cuban. Cha Cha Cha has
a few vaguely Cuban dishes,
which I like. In Miami, I
asked quite a few (black
Hatian) locals where to
get Cuban food and finally
ate at a place in Opa-locka
that was mediocre, but that is
probably like eating Chinese
food in The Mission.
\_ Er, thanks for your concern, but I'm passing throught Miami,
not moving there. Anything about the Keys? |
| 11/23 |
| 2009/10/11-11/3 [Recreation/Food/Alcohol, Recreation/Food] UID:53444 Activity:low |
10/11 Are there any CSUA'ers in NYC, or who know things to do in NYC? steven
and I are doing the tourist thing.
\_ I thought the Empire State Building was much better than I
expected it to be. The museums are all stellar, especially the
Met, MoMA, and Natural History Museum. Lots of good
plays/shows/concerts. Top notch restaurants. Worth seeing the Statue
of Liberty from Battery Park. Ellis Island. Trinity Church Cemetery
near Wall Street, which is where Alexander Hamilton is buried, if
you like that sort of thing. Saint Patrick's Cathedral and
Rockefeller Center. NYC Ballet and the Lincoln Center including
Chagall's paintings in the Metropolitan Opera. Lots of good
shopping with stores that have their only US location in NYC
(or maybe NYC and LA both) like the NBA Store. I liked Central
Park. Times Square was a waste of time. Didn't get too much out
of Chinatown, Greenwich Village, SoHo, TriBeCa coming from SF.
Depends on what you are into.
\_ Already been to the Empire State Building, Central Park, Times
Square, Battery Park, and Wall Street. Except for Central Park,
all at night, though. Care to be more specific about the plays/
shows and restaurants? --toulouse
\_ I don't know what's playing. Look online. As for restaurants,
look at something like Yelp or Zagat to find something
to suit your tastes. Try Gramercy Tavern, Gilt, Aureole,
Daniel, Jean Georges, Le Bernardin, Per Se, Alto, Corton,
Picholine, or anything else which won a Michelin star and
you'll be in good hands. Ethnic food is good in NYC, but
we get that in California. What we don't get so much of is
fine dining. Waitstaff in particular are much better in NY.
The bar at the Ritz Carlton near Wall Street is cool,
because you can sit outside and overlook the harbor and
the Statue of Liberty while having your drink with a
bunch of traders who just got off work. I recommend that.
\_ There is great food in NYC, but it is not like the Bay Area where
you can find amazing food for $20. Be prepared to spend at least
$50/person (usually more like $100) for good food. -ausman
\_ Except for pizza, which fills the culinary niche taken by the
Mission Burrito in the Bay Area. John's, on Bleeker Street,
is one of the reference pizza places. While you're in the
Village, go check out one of the underground jazz clubs. -tom
\_ I'd do some "A-list" stuff in NYC, but then I'd switch to stuff
NYC has that where you are coming from doesnt have. Like instead
of going to all the big museums, go to say the http://www.icp.org if
interested in photography, or some ethic food not avail in your
home space etc. You can look in the "About Town" [in the NYker]
or Time Out etc for what's going on. Oh, I also check on "expiring"
stuff, like special exhibits at museums ... NYC gets some better
travelling shows than SF. I assume you know about the "half-price
tix" type operations. Cloisters is another interesting museum not
mentioned above. BTW, a bunch of the named restos above are going
to be +$200, and easily can go +$400/pp with "modest wines". A new
thing in NYC is http://www.thehighline.org
\_ I was going to mention the Cloisters, but it's part of the
Met. It is worth noting, to me anyway, that NYC has the best
museums I have ever been to. I have not been to those in
London, but I have been to most of the big ones in the US
(Smithsonian, Field in Chicago, Cleveland, Getty, Dallas, Boston)
and some in Europe (Rijksmuseum and all the big French ones) and
the museums in NYC blow them away, IMO. So don't think
"Well, I'm from DC and we have good museums here." NYC makes
the National Gallery of Art and Smithsonian Natural History
Museum look like crap. Odds are, where you are from does not
have anything like what you will find in NYC. Certainly not if
you are from SF.
\_ Better than The Louvre? Come on. But yes, far better than
anything in SF or LA even.
\_ To me it was better than the Louvre and the Orsay, but
it depends on what kind of art you like. The Met had
more of what I like. Yes, the Louvre has the Mona Lisa
and Venus de Milo while the Met doesn't have any
Michaelangelo at all (well, they do, but rarely on
display - yes, I realize Michaelangelo did not do
those works, pardon my poor sentence). Louvre has a great
antiquities collection. On the other hand, the Met has more
Asian art, more 1800s+ art (which the Louvre has none of
b/c it is in the Orsay), arms and armor, musical
instruments, and textiles. Orsay had a nice collection of
Tissots and Whistler's Mother, but overall the Met had a
more impressive modern art collection (e.g.,
Impressionists and people like O'Keefe). Collectively, I
would say the art museums in Paris are larger and better,
but under one roof I was more impressed with the Met.
P.S. The Orsay is sending a lot of its collection to
SF next year while it undergoes renovation. This
is your only chance to see most of this art in SF.
\_ Check out PS1 in Queens. When you get here, read the 'stuff that
is happening' section in the various free weeklies. Those tourist
buses that sell you three days passes are actually pretty
convenient. If I ever get some time off I want to hit all of this:
http://travel.nytimes.com/2009/09/13/nyregion/13stop.html - danh |
| 2009/4/21-23 [Recreation/Food/Alcohol] UID:52887 Activity:nil |
4/21 Which restaurant allows bringing your own wine bottle?
\_ McD's usually seems cool with it. Homeless winos do it all the time.
\_ Most restaurants that serve wine will let you with a corkage fee.
\_ But unless you are bringing a high end wine it is considered
a bit tacky to bring your own.
\_ Would a bottle of Yellow Tail be considered high end enough not
to be tacky or should I buy Rosemount Estate?
\_ Haven't you heard? Frugal is the new black?
\_ Still tacky. Go without or don't eat out.
\_ Or it's your own wine or a wine made by a friend. |
| 2009/4/7-13 [Recreation/Food/Alcohol, Recreation/Food] UID:52821 Activity:kinda low |
4/7 Where can you get good food for $10? I went to an Italian restaurant
last night. Pizza/pasta was only $13 or so, but with an appetizer and
dessert the meal was over $50 (no drinks, 17% tip). And it was ok food,
with homemade gnocchi but didn't taste like anything that you couldn't
make at home with a little effort. No comparison to actual good Italian
restaurants (e.g. Bar Bambino, Delfina, SPQR) that are in the $30-50/pp
range... I'd rather have gone to Fuzio or Pasta Pomodoro and get
something quick. But I find it really hard to eat (except for Mexican
or Asian) for <$20. Even a decent pizza with a side salad runs around
$20 these days (e.g. Zachary's, Pizzaiolo, Pauline's, Little Star)...
\_ Good Fricken Chicken. Does Middle Eastern food count?
\_ Most Mexican places will cost less than that. Cuban, too. In
fact, I think you should look to ethnic cuisine of all types in
that price range. You will not do well to find European food in
that price range.
\_ What part of except Mexican wasn't clear?
\_ Even then dinner < 10 bucks a person is going to be hard.
After tax and tip that's about 7 dollars each. Even a
burrito and a drink is over that and let's face it, burritos
are good but if that's all you are eating out then you need
to expand your palate a bit.
\_ My girlfriend and I usually split something like an
enchilada or burrito plate and an appetizer and it comes
to less than $20 if you don't have any margaritas. We
are not big eaters and sometimes it's too much food even
when we split it. In college, we used to split the
burritos at La Fiesta and the hoagies at IB's. You can
get a pizza (easily) for less than $20, too.
\_ Dude, it's also not quality food by any streach of
the imagination.
\_ I didn't see the word 'quality' in the original RFP
but it's certainly 'good'.
\_ How much is the "spicy chicken over rice" at TC Garden these days?
Is that place still around? It used to be $3.25... or about $4
with tax and a 15% tip.
\_ TC Garden is one of the worst chinese restaurants I know of.
They use some sort of special sauce that's like nothing I've
ever had, and not in a good way. I say this as an asian who's
eaten in tons of different chinese restaurants growing up.
\_ I just got "The Fortune Cookie Chronicles", will report later
\_ Old Spaghetti Factory has a 40% off special on Tuesdays through
May. Which makes it about $6 before tax/tip for a complete meal.
There are various other chains with recession specials, probably
some at the $9.99 mark. I don't think you'll get any decent
non-chain Western food for <$10 unless it's a burger or something.
\_ Read Cheap Eats in the Bay Guardian.
\- to eat under $10 you need to do the following: 1. avoid paying
for service 2. you need to do time and/or space averaging. time
averaging = eat a can of soup or 99cent burgers, slice of pizza
etc for one meal and that will increase your budget for other meals.
space averaging means split with somebody else ... ideal for cheap
chinese to go food: since you can get 2 entrees and a soup or fried
rice/chow mein for a littl emore than $20. next you have to figure
out what are the best local options in a couple of categories:
prepared food bars, sanwiches, burritos, quesillas, tacos [if you
can find them for $1.50 or less], cheap hamburgers [nations, if you
like mayo, as an alternative to fast food. you can go up to
barney's level, but you cant do cafe rouge/900 grayson ... the
right thing depends on where you live but there will be some place
with a decent $5 burger], shawerma, indian/pakistani dives for
kebabs and chicken dishes + cheap rice = lots of calories. you also
can eat stuff like good bread and good buter/oil for very cheap in
berkeley. you can buy decent cheej, decent salted meats ...
obviously not roquefort and proscuitto [+$25/lb], but domestic
goat or blue or cheaper hard cheeses and say coppa, salami
[>$15/lbs]. oh and you have to avoid paying retain for alcohol.
\_ I think the op was saying $10/meal, not $10/day.
\- and ... ?? |
| 2009/4/3-12 [Recreation/Food/Alcohol, Recreation/Food] UID:52794 Activity:high |
4/3 A few days back someone was advocating going to good restaurants over
saving money. I'm curious, I've never been to a really expensive
restaurant. (Over $30 per person.) In general I've found that once I
get beyond about $10 the food doesn't get any better, instead I start
paying for stuff I don't care about, like "atmosphere." Which
basically means I've rarely been to a restaurant where the food
wasn't both tastier and more healthy at home. At what price point does
the food quality start to increase again? Oh, and I don't like steak,
which may affect the pricing.
\_ Anything over $15/person is Gluttony. Seriously. Spending so much
time and effort on food is frivolous. You could spend the same
amount of effort on making society better. People who are self-
centered and are into self-indulgence are waaay too concerned about
food. Just look at the post below. It disgusts me.
-Zen guy, not really religious
\_ Food is like porn. You start with cheap bland stuff, then as you
gain experience you get into more hardcore stuff. Bland baby food,
then McD, then fine hotdog/pizza, then real hamburgers, then
New York Steak, then Filet Minon, then wine (light Shiraz->
medium Merlot->complex Cabernet), etc. Likewise, you look at
naked pictures of women, then noticed leg quality differences,
then noticed boob size differences, nipple size, their curvatures,
their vaginas, size of their vagina lips, then you want to get
into XXX, XXXX, etc. It just goes on and on. My point is like
any hobby the more exposure and knowledge you accumulate the
more hardcore and the more $$$ you get sucked into.
\_ You don't know much about Shiraz, but you sure know your porn.
\_ If you go to New York City, $30/person isn't extraordinary. Having
that said, I find that many city slickers and snooty urbanites love
food and are willing to spend a lot of money on food, whereas
people from the mid-west and south don't spend as lavishly on food.
\_ If you think 30 bucks/person is "really expensive" I'm not sure
I trust your experiance with high end restaurants. Now I love food
and I love to cook, and I know full well a lot of places are
way over priced. But still, there are damn good restaurants where
you can eat some damn good food. Often it's stuff you just can't
make at home, or an attention to detail you need years of training
and a level of talent most people just don't have. If it's not
your thing, that's great, but don't think that there's not a reason
good restaurants cost a significant amount. (And as I said before,
yes there are plenty of places that charge way too much for crap,
and some of them seem to be able to stay around for a long ass time,
but then again, there's always suckers. Look at Monster Cable.)
\_ Oh, I see, you can't read can you? Your posts make sense now.
\_ 1. This depends on how good of a chef you are for one thing.
Alice Waters cooks just fine at home. Many people are not
good cooks.
2. Do you mean over $30 for an entree or over $30 total?
3. A big difference between expensive and cheap is the quality
of the ingredients. Did the beans come out of a can or from
the field? Is the shrimp fresh or frozen? Is the beef USDA
Prime or USDA Select? Usually fresh ingredients taste better.
4. Maybe you just don't have a good palate. I know my dad doesn't.
It's all pretty much the same to him. Most people can
recognize the difference between Olive Garden for $10 and
a nice Italian restaurant like Acquerello. The dishes are more
complex, the ingredients not only fresher but more unusual
(e.g., you won't find truffles at Olive Garden), and the food is
prepared more carefully (e.g, not overcooked or burned).
\_1. I'm an OK cook, my wife is really good.
2. I don't usually get anything but an entree because I don't eat
very much, and don't drink, so it's about the same to me. I was
thinking of total though.
3. I think this is often the problem. I don't think I've been many
places that use really fresh ingredients, where as we use really
good stuff at home.
4. I certainly don't have the palate my wife has, she can pick
an amazing amount of detail about each dish (each ingredient,
etc.) But I can usually tell what's fresh. It's probably
a combonation of 1 and 3.
\_ If your wife is a good cook and you are buying good quality
ingredients, than probably the food you get at home is
generally just as good or even better than a $30/person
restaurant. That is certainly the case in my home.
\_ Ditto in my case except I can't brag to my yuppie DINK
friends about how much knowledgeable I am with food
and how well we eat.
\_ There is one easy solution for that: throw a dinner
party. You have to talk your wife into this of course.
\_ You guys are kidding yourselves. My wife is an
excellent cook who can make a lot of
restaurant-quality dishes (we eat a lot of Julia
Child recipes) and we are not so silly as to believe
that we eat better than at a good restaurant just
because a few dishes turn out as good or better - and
when they do they are incredibly time-consuming (take a
whole day or more) and expensive (sometimes just $40 in
ingredients for a single course). You just need to up
the quality of the restaurants you eat at, admit you
don't have a good palate, or maybe you are one of
those people who just like simple foods better. Nothing
wrong with that. My parents don't really get into
a lot of the haute cuisine and just want mashed
potatoes and a chicken breast and that's what they
order when we go out most of the time. We could
make that at home, like you say.
\_ Most $30/person restaurants in SF just aren't
really that fancy. My wife is Vietnamese and
what she makes takes some time, but is at least
as good as what you would get at Slanted Door.
I have been to Masa's and La Folie and Aqua and
yeah, they were a whole different experience, but
I also spent $200/person at Aqua.
\_ And yet an entree at Aqua is only about $30.
I, too, spend about $150-200 per person when
I dine out, but that's just because I order
a lot of different dishes along with wine.
Just because some restaurants are bad doesn't
mean that anything over $10 is diminishing
returns and you may as well dine at home,
which was the original supposition. If your
wife is cooking like Masa's every night you
need to set that woman up with a restaurant.
http://www.masasrestaurant.com/masas_nine.htm
http://www.masasrestaurant.com/masas_menu_three_course.htm
\_ No, I just said the opposite of that, that
"they were a whole different experience."
With wine and tip, $30/person restaurants
are places like Chow or Zuni Cafe or Encanto,
all of which are fine, but nothing special.
I drink wine with dinner at home, so I can't
imagine why I shouldn't include that cost
when I dine out. Some things are impractical
to make at home, like Dim Sum and are well
worth the value. Which restaurants are between
$30-$150/person and well worth the value from
a taste standpoint? Farallon, La Ciccia, maybe
some sushi places, I can't think of much else,
but I also don't tend to spend that much money
on dinner. Oh, I am obviously not the original
poster.
\- You pick some hard to lump together restos.
Chow does the kinds of comfort food you can
do at home. But it is quite reasonably
priced, so unless you really enjoy cooking,
it is a reasonable place to go [I really
like the short rib dish there for $12-$15].
Zuni is a place with "buzz" ... that is in
part what you are paying for ... for a
night out, not just a plate of food.
Encanto [sic -> Incanto], is exactly the
kind of place that is going to make stuff
you are not going to make at home [like
tuna heart, cockscombs etc]. Farallon is
passe and frankly it was not that food
focused ... it was partly "Disney" and
partly Sex and the City.
\_ Any recommendations?
\- what are your parameters?
\_ They were in the previous post.
$30-150/person and worth the cost
from a food taste standpoint.
\-panda country kitchen, china
village [solano av], for DEEM
SUM the place next to ton kiang,
village [solano av], "the place
next to ton kiang [DEEM SUM],
poc chuc -- upper mission, red
jade, osteria del forno
jade, osteria del forno, chinese
laundry aka jai yun ... maybe
little star pizza, han il kwan,
lers ros, bodega bistro, maybe
lahore karahi.
\_ I think you just need to try a better restaurant than
you have in the past. As the guy above said, if you
think $30 is expensive then maybe you haven't had that
many good meals. Not every restaurant charging $34 for
an entree is good, though. Go to some reknowned for
high quality fish and creative dishes. Maybe a place
like Gary Danko or (if it's still good) Masa's and order
the more unusual dishes (especially the tasting menu).
People who go to a high end restaurant and order chicken
may as well have eaten at home. Get squab or grass eel or
caviar blinis or pureed leek soup or something your wife
doesn't usually whip up except on special occasions.
\- I dont think there is especially any reason to cultivate
"expensive" restaurants ... espcially if you are not big on
fancy wine/drink, fancy cheej, "premium" ingredients like foie gras,
truffle etc. Also, I never go to fancy places without friends
I like ... so the social aspect of dining is a big part of the
experience for me ... more so than the "atmosphere". However,
there are definitely dining experiences you cant get at home
and if you are interested food at all, it's worth doing some
research. For example you can try the fancy cheej at home.
For example you can have very interesting chinese,
or thai food in the $30 range. There are places with better
pizza than you can make in your home oven ... like say Pizzalio.
The research part of this is going to the good places instead of
the so-so places ... in the case of chinese restaurants, these
places are often basically the same price or maybe 20% more
expensive [as long as we arent talking high end asian sea food].
So the question you should be asking yourself is "what *kinds*
of cuisine do i like that i cant get at home" ... "expensive" isnt
a kind of food. once you figure out what you want to chase, then
you can start doing the research to optimize price-performance ...
for example i am willing to pay for high end french, but generally
not a fan of paying for high end sushi. and if you dont know what
you like in terms of asian, latin american, african, french, sushi,
steak, pizza, italian, middle eastern ... you can start doing
"research" at modest places. BTW, high end food isnt just about
ingredient sourcing ... there are lots of complicated dishes or
desserts which are not reasonable to make at home because of the
complexity (short of seeing it as a "project"), unless possibly
complexity (short of seeing it has a "project"), unless possibly
if you cook a lot and keep stuff like demi-glace on hand, or have
specialized pastry equipment and ingredients. and of course there
is cheep stuff you also probably wont make at home ... tandoori,
(high temp oven) pizza, al pastor, shawerma, DEEM SUM (XLB) etc.
specialized pastry equipment and ingredients.
if you live in the bay area and have some discretionary income,
why dont you just ask for recommendations.
\_ Thanks for writing this. I think cuisine is a good starting
point. And Pizzaiolo (or Pauline's or Little Star)
is a good example of the difference between a $10 meal and a
$25 meal. Cheese Board is a $10 meal which proves that price may
be correlated with quality, but not necessarily so. Start with
a cuisine you like but don't cook at home (e.g. pizza, Mexican,
Chinese, Indian) and find what you like. Actually, a lot of
ethnic foods aren't very expensive for pretty good stuff. It's
a lot of the European foods (and sushi) that can get expensive
very quickly.
\_ Re: High end sushi: There's expensive sushi and very good
sushi, but it's hard to know the difference without having
experienced very good sushi. Unless you're a connosieur,
Isobune or Samurai Boat is probably just fine. If you're a
reincarnated sushi chef, order the omakase at Sushi Sho on
Solano, but _don't_ add wasabi or soy sauce unless he tells
you to-- and don't be surprised when the bill tallies $70+
per person.
\_ $70/person is not a lot for high-end sushi.
\- or for $88k, you can buy Sushi Sho
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/reb/1109818860.html
\_ GODDAMNIT.
\_ ok. So where are you going to find a sushi chef?
\_ When I eat dinner with my friends in Manhattan and Brooklyn, the
bill always comes out $25-$40 per person, and I start missing
La Fiesta. - danh
\_ When my friend's sister visited from London for a week, her and
\_ When my friend's sister visited from London for a week, she and
her husband ate Mexican food 8 times in 7 days. You're not alone. |
| 2009/1/30 [Recreation/Food/Alcohol] UID:52490 Activity:nil |
1/30 Is there a variety of red wine called Sangria? I don't mean the
wine punch with fruit, etc. I had a glass of this "Sangria" at a
restaurant a while back and it's the only wine I've had so far
that I actually liked, rather than just tolerated. Granted, I don't
drink wine that often anyway, so there may be plenty of wines I'd like
that I've never had. It wasn't particularly expensive; $6 for the
glass I think. P.S. Searching for "sangria" along with "wine"
obviously didn't give me great results. |
| 2008/11/24-28 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/China, Recreation/Food/Alcohol] UID:52084 Activity:nil |
11/23 Sic Transit Gloria Bud
http://www.thebigmoney.com/blogs/daily-bread/2008/11/20/king-beers-toppled |
| 2008/7/25-30 [Recreation/Food/Alcohol, Recreation/Food] UID:50690 Activity:moderate |
7/25 Yay! CA has banned trans-fat! Now if only the legislature could make
all of my decisions. Oh, and pass a budget that spends less than it
takes in. Thanks progressives for the new prohibition, 100 years after
the last one.
\_ Schwarzenegger is a progressive? -tom
\_ The legislature is--the girly-man Gov. just wants to be liked.
\_ did they include a budget for enforcement? How did they think they
would implement this.
\_ I wouldn't think it would require much money for enforcement.
It's just another box for the health inspector to check.
\_ Is it just restaurants or also packaged food in stores?
\_ "a ban on trans fats in restaurants and retail baked goods"
Both of which are already check for lots of stuff, so,
while I think it's silly, I don't think it's going to
cost much to the gvt.
\_ Does that include twinkies or not?
\_ Right now you can't add rat poison to baked goods either. Not
even if you put "tasty tasty rat poison" in the list of
ingredients. How much do you think that costs to enforce?
There is not going to be a transfat division added to police
forces across the state. Instead it's one more thing that
it is illegal to add to food. If a company does and labels it
as transfat gee, that will be pretty obvious SO THEY WON'T.
If a company does and doesn't label it they will be breaking
labeling laws (which are pretty harsh) SO THEY WON'T. Small
bakers may get away with using transfats for a while but
1. that's not a big deal state healthwise and 2. over time
bakeries will stop, because it's not worth the trouble.
\_ Why don't they ban something that actually affects other
people like SMOKING and let people eat whatever the hell
they want to eat?
\_ Bill Gates is working on that. I wonder if humanity
suffers more from diseases caused by years of eating
trans fats, or from smoking? hard to say.
\_ I don't really care to protect humanity from itself. I
just don't want to choke on other people's smoke.
\_ You can continue to eat all the transfats you want. You
just won't get them in mass-produced food items. Your
choice to kill yourself with transfats has not been
impinged; the option to soak other people in them
without their consent has. Opt-in fat good.
\_ My choice to use whatever ingredients I want in my
food (as a manufacturer) has been impinged. There is no
evidence transfats are intrinsically bad for your
health. If you eat too many of them and exercise too
little they aren't good for you but neither are sugar,
beer, and coffee. You can overdose on water even.
This is selectively discriminating against an ingredient
for arbitrary reasons.
\_ Your "rights" as a manufacturer are already subject
to regulation (cf "rat poison" above). If your
argument is with the arbitrary nature of the ban,
that's different from "let[ting] people eat
whatever the hell they want to ear."
\_ Rat poison is hardly the same thing as transfats.
\_ "There is no evidence that transfats are
intrinsically bad for your health"??? You should
educate yourself on the topic, the AMA and NAS
disagree with you on this.
\_ What is the health risk of eating transfats? None
at all. Did we ban saturated fats? Should we
ban baking with butter, too? Eat too much of
them and exercise too little and you will get
sick. However, a healthy person can eat a
transfat-laden muffin with no ill effects.
Maybe we should ban steak. It's laden with
saturated fats *and* unlabeled as such! I
never knew!
\_ "from a nutritional standpoint, the consumption
of trans fatty acids results in considerable
potential harm but no apparent benefit."
-New England Journal of Medicine
"...any incremental increase in trans fat
intake increases the risk of heart disease."
-NAS Dietary Reference
Should I take the advice of these two peer
reviewed experts or anonymous motd hozer?
Hmmm...
\_ "from a nutritional standpoint, the
consumption of vodka results in
considerable potential harm but no
apparent benefit."
"...any incremental increase in cheesesteaks
intake increases the risk of heart
disease."
Clearly we need to ban cheesesteaks and
vodka.
\_ And yet we don't let people sell
rubbing alcohol as a cheap vodka
substitute.
\_ Weak.
\_ Actually, there are numerous studies
indicating that moderate alchohol
consumption is salubrious. And cheese
steaks in moderation are good for you,
too. I agree with your main point, that
people should be allowed to poison
themselves, but you are not arguing from
the facts here. Transfat is worse for
you than white sugar, even.
\_ Transfat is, arguably, no worse for
you than saturated fat. In fact,
many studies have credited transfats
for lowering risk of heart disease as
substitutes for saturated fats. Sure,
some studies say saturated fats are
worse, which is why I use the term
"arguably". Certainly saturated fats
are very unhealthy and there is no
cry to ban them. Transfats have
become the boogeymen du jour. BTW, I
seriously doubt vodka has any positive
benefits. Wine, sure. Vodka, I doubt.
Maybe as a blood thinner if that's a
positive thing for you. |
| 2008/6/24-27 [Recreation/Food/Alcohol] UID:50350 Activity:nil |
6/23 If civilization collapses, at least I can make wine out my own urine
http://www.arthurmag.com/magpie/?p=2833
\_ Obama will never let that happen. Candy rainbows will arc over
chocolate rivers; happy children playing on the banks.
\_ Um no, you are confused. She is making pruno, not wine. |
| 2008/3/13-17 [Recreation/Food/Alcohol, Recreation/Food] UID:49440 Activity:moderate |
3/13 Help. Mother has slowly gone insane in the past few weeks. Claims
to be really sick, takes her to ER, nothing. Does this several
times before we realized she's just lonely. She eats crappy food
like KFC and canned food and is mal-nutrioned yet refuses to eat
"expensive food." She is a complete hazard on the road, and her
place has become a total dumpster and a fire hazard. It's apparent
that her mental capacity and reasoning power has slowly diminished
to... zero. What are some possible solutions? I don't want to
kill her.
\_ this sounds very familiar. I recommend, for the lonely/depression
problem:
1) force her to get social hobbies
2) force her to have regular interaction with people
3) enforce a quota - like going out every day
we went from 1 false alarm ER visit a month to one every 6+ months.
--brain
\_ Thanks but already tried and doesn't work. After 2-3 meetings
people realize she's a total nutcase and avoid her. I mean
I've already lost gf's thanks to her. Socialization is not
for someone who's brain is already hardwired.
\_ What about senior centers? Here in Livermore we have the
"friendship center" or something like that for old people to
hang out at. http://www.larpd.dst.ca.us/friendship.html
\_ Do you equate putting her in a home with 'killing her'? She
sounds like she needs and would benefit from being in a
home. They'll watch over her and she'll have other crazy
old people to hang out with.
Alternately, you could quit your job and nursemaid her
yourself.
\_ So how much is a nursing home going to cost? -op
\_ Sounds like my dad, so I have the greatest sympathy
with your plight. My dad would not consider moving out
of his home until he finally crashed his car and depleted
of his home until he crashed his car and depleted
his bank account, but finally agreed to move into an
assisted living situation, where he gets three meals a
day and his own apartment. This costs $1800/mo, in Riverside
California. It would more in the Bay Area, 1.5X to 2X more
depending on the facility. You can actually get it for less,
but it starts to be pretty primitive.
\_ OH LORD. I don't have that kind of money. I guess I'll
just let her rot and crash into other people like
George Weller or something.
\_ Doesn't she have any savings? Where is she living now?
\_ No. She said she was counting on Social Security.
But I've been mostly supporting her. I don't have
other family members as they're also crazy and
scattered all over the world. It's just my mom
and I, 50 miles apart. I have to admit, this has
been one of the loneliest months I've ever had in
my life. It's times like these that I wished that
I was a Christian or something. -op
\_ How much does she cost per month right now?
$1800 doesn't seem like that much if you include
rent, food, utilities, etc.
\_ Her mortgage is $600/month.
\_ Wheew... I think you'd have to move closer
to her, (or vice-versa) and get a part time
caretaker to clean up and such. Actually,
coversation (relieving loniness) is a big
part of the caretaker job. They are used to
it. It's usually about $10 an hour. (Often
under the table.)
\_ Social Security is only about $650 or so
a month. With a $600 mortage... when did
you say her reasoning powers went to 0?
\_ On what planet is SS $650/month? My
mom gets twice that and she wasn't
even in the highest earner bracket.
\_ Not all of us come from wealthy
households. I think my Dad's is
about $800/mo, though he gets some
CalPers pension on top of it.
\_ My mom isn't wealthy, but she
worked her entire life. Your
dad probably got less because
he had CalPers instead and
didn't contribute to SS his
entire working career.
\_ You might be right there. His
overall pension + SS is about
$2500/mo, which is just enough.
\_ Can you just move her in with you? I thought about this
with my Dad, but he is just too hard to get along with.
\_ oh, no, HELL NO am I ever going to live with
her again. She wakes up in the middle of the
night and vacuums and cleans and moves furnitures.
She will dig through my books and bank accounts
and mess up my private life. HELL NO. -op
\_ My Grandmother never got too crazy, she realized when she was
too old to drive and stopped driving herself. I lived with her
for a while when I went to Junior college, but when I went to
Berkeley she hired a maid and meals-on-wheels.
After a while she brought on a part time caretaker. However,
she was quite happy living a solitary life, reading books and
watching TV, so even when she dingy she didn't really cause many
problems. On the other hand, some realatives lived close by
watching TV, so even when she got a little dingy she didn't
really cause many problems. Some realatives lived close by
and would visit on at least a weekly basis. I'm not sure how
much it cost, but it was probably cheaper than a home, but
she also owned her own home.
\_ tell her to ride bike and use linux -tom's #1 fan
\_ RIDE TANK! BAN GUNS! - tom's #5 fan
\_ Take her to a doctor who knows something about age related mental
disorders. |
| 2007/7/31-8/3 [Recreation/Food/Alcohol, Recreation/Food] UID:47479 Activity:kinda low |
7/31 Go vegetarian to save money - MSN Money:
http://www.csua.org/u/j8u
\_ I just spent $204 on a dinner for two at Millenium. I guess I'm
eating the wrong vegetarian fair.
\_ WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION! DUBYA EMM DEEEES!!!!
\_ Don't eat a fair next time
\_ And what, half that was wine, plus 15-20% was tip?
\_ Does that include the huge carbon footprint caused by shipping in
interesting veggie items from all over the world?
\_ Be smart, eat what's in season. It's cheaper, it gives you
interesting variety, and the food tastes better.
\_ veggies have much less carbon footprint than beef. -tom
\_ Oh great, veggies are less evil. How about taking the
health of our only planet seriously and stop playing the
"I'm less evil than you so what I'm doing is ok!" game, huh?
\_ I don't think it's about people feeling "okay," but
about making a conscious effort to do less damage to the
environment. We've gotten to where we are because we didn't
pay attention to what industrialism and advancement of
human kind has gotten ourselves into. Now people eat more
meat because they can be bought "cheap," and we have to
subsidize the farmers if we want non-meat stuff. Human
\_ say what? where'd you get the idea that
farmers are subsidized for the purpose
of creating non-meat food items?
actually are what we consider locusts to be. We devour
resources beyond what eco-systems can handle. While less
evil is NOT "okay," it's still a lesser of the two evil.
\_ I think it is better to live in harmony with the planet
than to destroy it a bit slower. I see no point in
that. So it takes 100 years instead of 50 to make the
planet unlivable, so what?
\_ Who's playing that game? I also think local sourcing is
important. It's just silly to talk about the carbon
footprint of veggies as being bad relative to meat. -tom
\_ Only you were talking about that strawman. The rest of
us were talking by then about how importing your veggies
from all over the world at all times of year is very
hypocritical if you're doing it to save the planet.
\_ A lot of veggies can be imported by slow frieght.
That's actually amazingly efficient in large
quantities. Yes it isn't as good as local; yes
there is a bigger carbon footprint, but it's still
way less than cheap factory farmed meat. Probably
orders of magnitudes less. It's the air freight
veggies that are a disgusting waste of fossil fuels.
\_ Uh, you're the one setting up the straw man.
Did anyone defend importing veggies from all
over the world? -tom
\_ You're just pulling my leg now, right? Did you
even read the Op or the article or anything or
just came around looking for another motd ring
around the rosie rhetorical dance? Whatever.
Have the last word to say whatever. I'm not going
to waste more time or precious bits on this.
\_ The article talks about saving by focusing on
seasonal/local produce. You are the only
person to have brought up importation. Your
troll fu sucks. --scotsman
\_ Actually his troll fu is mighty, since he
started a huge flamewar over nothing but
his inability to read and comprehend
carefully. |
| 2007/6/7 [Recreation/Food/Alcohol] UID:46883 Activity:nil |
6/7 Dutch students invent powdered alcohol:
http://preview.tinyurl.com/2xoe37 (news.yahoo.com)
\_ Powdered alcohol has been around a long time. Their only
inventiveness is in circumventing the age/tax laws. |
| 2007/5/31-6/13 [Recreation/Food/Alcohol, Health/Disease/General] UID:46800 Activity:low |
5/28 I'm in Mendocino now. What is worth doing here? I don't drink
wine BTW.
\_ Skunk Train. Lost Coast beach hike (20+ miles).
Buy hydroponics. -tom
\_ I 2nd the Lost Coast hike. do it now, don't do it
in the winter!
\_ Mendocino is a pretty big place. Are you near Jenner or Ukiah
or Leggett? Orr Hot Springs is quite nice, especially if you
like naked hippies. There is great beer in Hopland, at the
Medocino Brewing Company. You can kayak in the bay near Jenner.
Bodega Bay is really beautiful and there are lots of things
to do there, including diving for abalone. Occidental is nice
to do there, including diving for abalone. Occidental is good
if you want to get out of the fog. -ausman
\_ Mendocino Brewing Company is good, as is Anderson Valley
Brewing Company in Boonville. Try to find and read a copy
of the _Letters of Wanda Tinasky_.
\_ I was the op. Mendocino was a cute little walkable town. I
liked going to the one and only supermarket. It was almost
comparable to Trader Joe and Whole Food Market. Other than that
all the shops were selling useless things that no one really
needed. Food was pretty good, but nothing that you
couldn't get from the city. Fort Bragg totally sucked unless
you were interested in riding the Skunk Train. Weather was
far from ideal-- it never got above 63F, and overcast all the
time. Cold and windy. The drive to Mendocino was a total drag.
Route 128 was full of trailers, curves, etc etc. It was
painful to be on 128 for nearly 3 hours. Overall, the pain of
going to Mendocino was not forth the little pleasure you get
being there. I hate Mendocino and I'm never going back.
\_ sounds like you didn't take anyone's advice.
\_ I grew up there. It used to be a nice little hippie town, until
it got taken over by parasites (aka tourists) and all of the
stores that sold useful things were replaced by real estate
offices selling vacation homes and Wilkes Bashford outlets.
It sounds like you missed out on all the truly interesting
stuff that's hiding there, so you might want to consider getting
better advice and giving it another chance. --lye
\_ I advised you to go over the hill to someplace sunny, if you
got sick of the fog. -ausman |
| 2007/5/25-28 [Recreation/Food, Recreation/Food/Alcohol] UID:46756 Activity:moderate |
5/25 I don't really care about ethics and how people look at me. Is it
perfectly legal to be an asshole and NOT tip at restaurants?
\_ If you can't afford to leave a few bucks on the table then you
can't afford to eat out. It is legal but you should examine your
economic situation more closely if that level of cash outlay
actually matters to you before you go out again. Or just eat at
fast food places where we don't tip. McDonald's sounds like the
right level for you anyway. And woe be if you're out with 99% of
this country and don't put in your fair share for tip. Your
fellow diners will remember and hold it against you forever which
is likely to cost you a lot more over time than the tip. So don't
be a trolling cheap-ass and leave a few bucks.
\_ It's legal. You should move to Korea. No tipping culture.
\_ Or Japan.
\_ just dont go to the same place twice..unless you like
special sauces or something
\_ In a country where people's wages are reduced because they're
expected to get tips, it's rude, boorish, and petty to not tip.
There are plenty of countries where failing to tip is fine, but
the U.S. isn't one of them.
However, it's not illegal. Just fuckin' stupid. -tom
\- why is it stupid? it may obviously cause problems at
tip-expected restaurants you expect to go back to, but
for one offs, i think it is assholish and you might get
deservedly abused, but stupid suggesting it will hurt
you, not sure why you would say that.
\_ driving a single-occupant SUV to work every day may not
hurt you, but it's stupid.
\- i think buying $400 shoes is usually stupid too, but
usually people mean something like "it is irrational"
rather than "i wouldnt do it" or other "bad" behavior
like being selfish, or an asshole etc. in fact often
assholeish behavior like freeriding is "rational".
is not contributing to npr/public tv stupid? no, i dont
think so. so in some cases you can show people are
behaving irrationally when they dont realize it, but
it's incumbent on you do present some argument. for
example the study that shows there is a corrlation
between car price and a question like "how much do you
like your car" but there isnt a correlation between
car price and how pleasant/unpleasant was your commute.
i.e. people thing about their cars different when they
are thinkign about their cars and how the use experience
transpires. ok thanks i have to go now i am in a hurry.
\_ I don't know about you but I personally think a late
30 year old ambiguously gay Indian guy spending
~$1000 a month eating nice food and drinking
fine wine is beyond stupid.
\- i probably drink less than 2 bottles of wine a
month. i hate spending money on wine. to me it
is a "tax" on going out to eat with friends.
unless you live with your parents, i probably also
have a higher savings rate than you do. of all the
ad hominems directed at me in the motd, this is
about the lamest, e.g. starting with "i dont know
about you ..." |
| 2007/5/24-26 [Health/Sleeping, Recreation/Food/Alcohol] UID:46742 Activity:moderate |
5/24 serious question here: I take a dump every other day or so.
after my last few acts of congress, I'm really sleepy,
for several hours. what's the deal? does this happen
to everyone?
\_ Whahh?! That's very rare shitting. I shit about 3-4 times a day and
also eat 4-5 times a day, I don't think what I do is normal
either.
\_ Are you bulimic?
\_ More fiber, less spicy food.
\_ No. You are not healthy.
\_ See a doctor.
\_ The closest I get to a doctor is watching House.
\_ And just before they perform some incredibly dangerously
invasive procedure they figure out you've been eating
too many twinkies and send you home.
\_ I don't think I've ever been unusually sleepy after a poo, that's
kinda odd. Generally pooing once a day is considered regular.
At every other day you should probably eat more fiber and drink
more water. (Not soda, beer, etc.)
However, despite a diet unusally high in fiber and water, I still
take about 20 mins on the can. My wife is done in about 1 min.
I don't know why this is.
\_ Maybe she won't shit where she eats.. So to speak.
\_ Maybe you and your wife should consider switching roles during
anal sex.
\_ I feel more alert after a nice poo. Weird thing for me lately:
smelling a strong coffee odor when I pee after having had coffee
earlier. I can't recall any other food making it through my
system with its olfactory properties intact like that.
\_ HOW WEIRD! I've been noticing the same thing! I've never
noticed that till recently. I'm in my 30s.
\_ Stop drinking coffee. It is bad for you anyway. |
| 2007/5/10-14 [Recreation/Food/Alcohol] UID:46581 Activity:nil |
5/9 Heineken beer navigation:
http://adsoftheworld.com/files/images/heineken1.jpg
\_ Wow, that's dumb. |
| 2007/3/23-26 [Recreation/Food/Alcohol, Recreation/Food] UID:46077 Activity:nil |
3/23 Wow, German judge approves wife-beating based on Koran
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070322/wl_afp/germanyjusticeislam_070322132641
\_ Anyone have background on this? Sounds like the judge is playing
provocateur.
\_ And in other news in the march of Sharia, Target has some cachiers
who won't ring up pork products.
http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/breaking_news/16925919.htm
\_ I don't understand why anyone would be this afraid of pork. The
Korean says don't eat it, not fear it.
Koran says don't eat it, not fear it.
\_ Is that the same Target where fundie pharmacists refused to
dispense birth control? |
| 2007/2/10 [Recreation/Food/Alcohol, Recreation/Food] UID:45703 Activity:nil 50%like:45699 |
2/9 Heh: http://www.amazon.com/dp/1592288510 [Seduced by Bacon by Joanna Pruess] |
| 2007/2/10-12 [Recreation/Food, Recreation/Food/Alcohol] UID:45699 Activity:nil 50%like:45703 |
2/9 Heh: http://www.amazon.com/dp/1592288510 |
| 2006/9/1-5 [Recreation/Food/Alcohol] UID:44245 Activity:moderate |
9/1 I want to give a small gift to several faculty members who are
writing me letters of recommendation. What's an appropriate,
professional gift I could get them? Any ideas will be appreciated.
Thanks.
\_ A big brown paper bag full of cash. Make sure you hand it over
in person with no witnesses present. Preferably in a dark
alley.
\_ If you are female and the professors are female, get a gift card
to Nordstrom or a day spa like Burke Williams.
If you are male and the professors are female, get a gift card to
your favorite classy lunch spot.
If you are female and the professors are male, a simple piece
of paper with your phone number written on it, along with the
short message "Call me anytime" will suffice.
If you are male and the professors are male, then you are a total
fag.
\_ Succeed in their field and expand their empire. Mwuahahahah!!!
I think it's clear what they all want.
\_ Paper weight.
\_ Starbucks gift cards. My profs really liked these.
\_ Nice pens. -John
\_ but nice pens cost a lot. wouldn't you think it would both
parties a bit uncomfortable? How about a nice, made-in-China
fake pens? Tell him/her flat out that those are fakes. It
has a lot of entertainment value.
\_ They needed. Yes, if you're looking at ebony & silver
\_ They needn't. Yes, if you're looking at ebony & silver
Faber-Castell fountain pens, they'll run a few hundred. But
Cross and others make really nice, not-crazily-priced ones
too. Anyway, it was just a suggestion. The wine idea
below is good too (just make sure they drink.) -John
\- ObBottleofWineInYourBudget. Even if faculty member doesnt
drink can take to colleague party. Give a gift that is
consumable rather than persistent. If you are in Berkeley,
go down to Kermit Lynch and talk to one of them.
\_ Does a big variety bag full of different types
of condoms from Good Vibrations count as
"consumable rather than persistent?"
\_ Yes, those are consumable. However, you may
be sending the wrong message to your professor.
\_ I considered wine, but I then I thought (falsely?)
that alcohol might be inappropriate. I'll
consider it now. -op
\- a bottle of tequila is inappropriate.
wine is ok. [well i suppose it is
possible if one is muslim or something
like that it might be inapprorpate.
but wine is easy to get rid of in the
academic social milleu]. wine is the
standard. |
| 2006/8/18-19 [Recreation/Food/Alcohol, Recreation/Food] UID:44065 Activity:moderate |
8/18 Re: government per diem rates
It looks like per diem for Paris is $155. Per diem for San
Francisco is only $64. Overall, foreign per diems are much,
much higher. I dunno why. I have only travelled domestically
on government business and I find the sums paltry. $155/day
isn't bad at all, though. That is in addition to hotel.
\_ Maybe you should't work for the government then, eh? Would you
like some cheese with your whine?
\_ Please post your name so we can examine your situation and
give you short shrift the next time you have an issue.
\_ They don't want you hiring cheap foreign whores.
\_ Only the best for the on-travel types!
\_ I find it a lot easier to travel cheaply when I speak the
language natively. Maybe that has something to do with it?
\- what do you spend your per diems on other than food? $65
seems perfectly reasonable for food to me. especially since
if you are under the per diem you generally dont need to
submit receipts.
\_ $65 would be a very nice $10 breakfast at Le Zinc,
a very nice $20 lunch at Fog City Diner with $35 left
over for steak and a glass of wine at Encanto or Delfina.
I don't know what this guy is bitching about.
\_ Transportation can cost a hell of a lot if you are
some place for bussiness. But I agree, 65 seems enough.
\- if that is so, you can rent a car and expense
parking separately from the per diem. need receipts
for those. when i was in chicago for a week, the
travel people foolishly rented a car for me and
paid like $28/day to park it at the hotel ...
used it twice for personal business.
\_ So are taxis seperate as well?
\- they used to be. may need receipt tho ...
same for airport shuttle etc. there are
big problems with govt travel, but the
per diem isnt one of them. |
| 2006/7/23-24 [Recreation/Food/Alcohol] UID:43764 Activity:low |
7/23 After a long time thinking all tequila is gross, I've decided I like
"the good stuff" straight. I like ones that taste more like aloe/pine
or minerally, but less like vanilla/butterscotch. Any types I should
try?
\- oh hello, i think tres genercions is pretty good and not
difficult to find. you may also analyze El Viejito and
"El Corredor" [i'm not sure i have that name right ...
\_ i really like el tesoro reposado and el jimador. ultra high end
stuff like El Tesoro Paradiso and Don Julio 1942 are more akin to
cognac... good stuff, but not necessarily worth the $$$.
\_ As something of a neophyte I'm not sure if what I'm looking for
is the more aged tequilas. I like the mellow woody flavors you
get in aged whiskey or brandy, but won't that make tequila lose
the 'zesty' parts? -OP
\_ Dona Tomas on Telegraph and 51st has a superb set of tequila
tasters that might help you out. --erikred
\- oh hello, i think TRES GENERCIONS is pretty good and not
difficult to find. you may also analyze EL VIEJITO and
EL CORREDOR [i'm not sure i have that name right ...
i was in my tequila phase like 6yrs ago ... i dont really
drink any more]. yeah, some of these sipping tequilas, some are
really peppery/minerally. you should just go to one of the
places with a large tequila stock, e.g. Tommy's out in the
avenues on geary, or maybe Guaymas [in tiburon], if you want
to make it a nice evening with your associates. for shooting/
mixing tequilas, i think HORNITOS RESPOSADO and SAUZA SILVER
are ok. [there is also a more accessible place called COLIBRI
downtown, but it is really expensive].
places with a large tequila stock, e.g. TOMMY'S out in the
avenues on geary is THE STANDARD. Also Guaymas [in tiburon],
if you want to make a bit of an event out of it. [there is
also a more accessible place called COLIBRI downtown, but it
is quite expensive]. for shooting/mixing tequilas, i think
HORNITOS RESPOSADO and SAUZA SILVER are ok.
\_ Above a certain $$, they're mostly the same quality-wise,
as a good bartender will tell you. As TSB says, go to a place
with a big stock and a bartender that looks experienced and try
a few (after the first 8 you won't know the difference.) Just note
that real tequila doesn't have a worm, comes from one of only 5
states, and doesn't have to contain more than 51% agave. Look for
premium (100% agave) tequila, not from syrup. You may also want
to consider mescal; there are some high quality mescals that are
the exact same as tequila, but because of denominacion de origen
laws, can't use the name. And are way less expensive than super-
premium tequilas. Enjoy. -John
\- If you go to TOMMY'S, you can also participate in the
TEQUILLA CHALLENGE. |
| 2006/5/11-14 [Recreation/Food/Alcohol, Recreation/Food] UID:43015 Activity:nil |
5/11 Dear balsamic vinegar beef marinate guy and red wine beef marinate
guy. I have new test results. 4/5 of my test subjects consistently
prefer the taste of balsamic vinegar beef, and 5/5 prefer the
tenderness of the red wine beef. I reproduced the results twice,
using Costco new york beef marinated for 3 days. This week I am
going to experiment a hybrid approach by marinating the beef with
red wine to make the meat more tender, then put balsamic vinegar
right before I cook them. I'll report results next week. ok thx. |
| 2006/4/22-25 [Recreation/Food/Alcohol] UID:42800 Activity:nil |
4/21 Alumni BBQ Poll -- What did you guys think about the bbq? I know it
was nice to meet a lot of you for the first time and put a face to the
extremely disgusting links/comments I see all the time. -mrauser
Good:
- Steaks and sausages were excellent
Bad:
Ugly:
- No tom/partha/dans cagematch, I want my money back!
\_ I don't get why you think I care about dans. He made some
stupid comments on MOTD, I pointed out that they were stupid,
he persisted (and persists). That doesn't separate him from
a dozen other twinks.
My comment would be, if you create a new politburo position
for alumni relations, you should manage to do better publicity
than one email sent weeks in advance and complete failure to
announce the location. -tom
\_ hear hear
\_ Hear, hear.
\_ I'd really want to know where they got the steaks from. They
were *that* good unmarinated. I shoulda prolly poured beer on mine
whilst on the grill. I also appreciated the lack of lecturing
going on, everyone just seemed happy to hang out and see each
other.
- At one point there was 8 guys, and 4 girls. I think that's a
record?
Bad:
- danh still cannot open his car. Can someone call AAA for him?
Ugly:
- No tom/partha/dans cagematch, I want my money back!
\_ I don't get why you think I care about dans. He made some
stupid comments on MOTD, I pointed out that they were stupid,
he persisted (and persists). That doesn't separate him from
a dozen other twinks.
My comment would be, if you create a new politburo position
for alumni relations, you should manage to do better publicity
than one email sent weeks in advance and complete failure to
announce the location. -tom
\_ hear hear
\_ Probably because you keep responding to him. |
| 2006/3/28-30 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/China, Recreation/Food/Alcohol] UID:42504 Activity:high |
3/29 http://www.viceland.com/int/v13n3/htdocs/coffee.php?country=us Another choice is Chinese food. Chinese-food restaurants above 96th street are as ubiquitous as Starbucks coffee shops are in the rest of the city, but they look like Mao designed them. A table or two, a metal grill door, and two or three gas jets is all you're getting. Also, the employees are actually Chinese, and by that I mean two weeks ago they were in China. I always feel bad for these guys. Their average height is about 5'3", they weigh maybe 95 pounds, and they speak no English. And these are the DELIVERYMEN! Not surprisingly, they get robbed with alarming frequency. Hell, most women could kick their asses. I always like to speculate what these guys' lives are like as I take a report and try to find the kids who took their $42 and BBQ spare ribs. One day you're in China, kicking around the countryside, checking on your crops, then three days later you're on the 25th floor of a housing project with a bleeding lip and no money, trying to explain to me what happened with the 25 English words you know. They keep coming over, though, so I can't help but think, "Damn, Communist China must really, really suck." \_ aspolito has a huge ass. \_ Most of the Chinese restaurant workers who came here illegally are from Fuzhou, China. I read a wsj article a year or two ago saying that the Fuzhou people no longer care to come to the US, because China's economy is booming and there are better opportunities there. That's why these days, I noticed they are being quickly replaced by Mexicans. At its height, the Fuzhou guys have a really good network. Dump one of them in Fuzhou-nese have a really good network. Dump one of them in any US city, and he would be able to find someone from his hometown, and thus find work and housing, and make a living, albeit a not very good one, relatively speaking. hometown, and thus find work and housing, and survive. Their superb overseas network was one of the reasons why many of them were able to come the US to work for a while, make some money, and then go home. money, and then go home. Fuzhou is part of the Fujian province. The Fujianese, together with Cantonese, Hakkas, Teochews, make up a big part of the Chinese diaspora, and dominate the economies of Taiwan, Hongkong, Thailand, Malaysia, Indonesia, Singapore and Filipines. These dialect groups are all from poor fringe coastal regions of southern China, though the Hakkas always believed they have royal northern bloodlines, and migrated south when northern China was invaded. The poverty of these regions resulted in a tradition of emigration and entrepreneurship. \_ That's nice. So which group has the prettiest women? \_ Are you angry because even they have a job, while you don't? \_ Are you angry because they have a job, while you don't? \_ I'm not angry. I thought it was a funny writing piece. I hope the recent Chinese immigrants assimulate into my country and lead productive satisfying lives but something tells me they won't. \_ You are easily amused. \_ That's what people always say about new immigrants. What usually happens is the first generation doesn't assimilate very much and ends up middle class but their kids do fine. \_ I would settle for "ending up middle class". Nothing wrong with that. \_ Not to Chinese. Haven't you noticed how hard they make their kids study and they all have to be doctors and lawyers? Middle class is failure. \_ Yeah but 1st generation don't end up doctors and lawyers, but a helluva lot better than when they were FOB. \_ Actually, I've been meeting quite a few first generation doctors and lawyers lately. Seems like they have made it easier for foreigners to become doctors in the US. This is bad. These jobs should be reserved for Americans, and first generation foreigners should stick to restaurant work. \- i think the AMAs efforts to make it harder for indian and russian doctors to practice here is well known. \_ Foreign doctors need to pass the same board exams everyone else does to practice here. \- See e.g. particularly section on physicians: http://www.cepr.net/publications/professional_supplement.htm I didnt know about the clinical skills exam that is only given in Philadelphia. Also, a tricky part of this is how to "distinguish" between american who went to foreign medical schools because they couldnt get into med school here and foreigners trained in their home country who want to come here. in addition of visa-obtaining issues, and language testing, there is the "fifth pathway" program. I am not an expert on this but it's well understood that self-regulating bodies like the ABA and AMA engage in "income protection" plans under the guise of "public safety" [yes, irconic reference to french rev], see e.g. the nolo v texas case. BTW, I am not suggesting foreign trained doctors are as well trained, but this is an area where the outcomes area heavily dictated by regulation rather the "free mkt". http://www.cepr.net/publications/professional_supplement.htm \_ Sorry but those comments just spew of complete ignorance. If 1st generation-ers are competent and contribute in a meaningful way, there should be nothing wrong with that. Do you somehow believe you should have natural right to having everything spoon fed to you? \_ I hope they do well too, but I like them doing their own thing, which adds diversity and spice to my country. \_ Sorry, but I have more sympathy for our kids who get sent to places like Vietnam and Iraq, and come back missing a leg, a ball, and half a dick, angry and confused as to how they got their arse kicked by 80 pounds, 4'9" vietnamese peasant hags and stone age desert tribes. Just browse through the "Names of the Dead" ... 18 years old ... 21 years old ... all tender, fresh and innocent. What a waste. \_ Good one. It's sad to see our brave soldiers maimed there and then come back to the states and wait on the freeway with the sign "Vietnam War Soldier Spare a Dime." In addition I have to say that these tiny little Viet soldiers on the other side did quite a bit of damage despite their lack of equipments and trainings. If tiny little men can do big jobs, it makes you go hmmmmm. Lastly on my rant I'd like to commend these tiny little men who reproduce really hot Vietnamese women \_ I am glad you've found solace with tiny little men. Vietnamese girls are not my cup of tea, but hey, if they are a fit for you, whom am I to object. At least you didn't become a pedophile. \_ If it weren't for tiny little women there would be more pedofiles in America. -op \_ thanks for sharing your sexual disposition with us. \_ I don't think they were confused. I think it's pretty clear that a 4'9" 80 lbs stone age vietnamese desert tribe peasant can kill you when armed with modern weapons in a proxy war fighting on their own turf. Angry? Probably. Confused? Not likely. A waste? Yes, of course, big time. \_ Maybe I didn't phrase it right, but I meant confused in the sense of "WTF am I doing in this hellhole getting killed?! I don't belong here. I want my mom!" \_ Not the ones I know who have been in combat. \_ Really? How then did so many of them beoome depressed, suicidal, alcohol and drug addicts, etc.? \_ What is "so many"? And how does that percent compare to the general population who was never in the military? Obviously it is an anecdotal sample set but all the ones I know are normal people who came back and got on with their lives. We've sent millions overseas in the 20th century. Our society is not overrun by millions of depressed, suicidal, alcoholic drug addicted ex-soldiers. (But is overrun by millions of depressed, drug addicted civilians). \_ "percent"? "general population"? "sample set"? Sorry, this is too hard. I am American. I watch teevee, and teevee says they're depressed and suicidal. \_ You are right. I am wrong. |
| 2006/3/20-25 [Recreation/Food, Recreation/Food/Alcohol] UID:42324 Activity:nil |
3/20 "Michael Pollan is one of the foremost food and plant experts
in America. He wrote The Botany of Desire a few years ago, he
teaches about food, plants, and biodiversity at the University
of California, Berkeley, and he just finished a new book called
The Omnivore's Dilemma. It's about eating in the same way
that the Bible is about God."
http://www.viceland.com/int/v13n3/htdocs/children.php?country=us |
| 2006/3/20-21 [Recreation/Food/Alcohol, Recreation/Food] UID:42323 Activity:nil |
3/20 Journal of eating an entire cow:
http://www.viceland.com/int/v13n3/htdocs/eating.php?country=us
\_ zzz. just a bunch of pics of raw cow meat. |
| 2006/3/7-9 [Recreation/Food, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush, Recreation/Food/Alcohol] UID:42126 Activity:low |
3/7 Dear balsalmic vinegar beef marinating guy. What kind of vinegar
do you use? White? And what brand is good? Thanks.
\_ I'm gonna go out on a limb here and guess... balsamic.
\_ The message above is obviously written by someone ignorant. There are
many types. White distilled vinegar, rasbery balsamic vinegar, red
\_ [80 col. please]
wine balsamic vinegar (most common), olive vinegar, rice vinegar,
so on so forth.
\_ In fairness to the OP, there is such a thing as white balsamic
vinegar. But you ought to use the regular dark kind. Quality
it not *too* important, so just get something halfway decent.
-- different balsamic marinating guy
\_ Racist!
\_ Balsamic vinegar of color, then.
\_ Stop giving me black medicine! ... I mean ... black vinegar. |
| 2006/3/2-5 [Politics/Domestic/California, Recreation/Food/Alcohol] UID:42073 Activity:moderate |
3/2 So much for federalism.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060302/ap_on_he_me/food_warnings
\_ 1) federalism is LONG dead (in these united states)
2) Whatever the possibly undesirable outcomes of such legislation,
the concept of unified food labeling is completely consistent
with the principles of Federalism and in particular with the
interstate commerce clause of our constitution. It boggles
my mind, that in a time in which that clause is used to
justify (successfully, btw, see the CA marijuana case) leg.
regarding things that aren't even commerce, let alone inter-
state commerce, that you would point to the above link as
some sort of watershed legislation signifying the end of Fed.ism
I suspect (just a guess, and i don't know who you are since you
didn't sign, so don't get all offended) that you are just some
dumb leftist who doesn't have the first clue about federalism
(and probably doesn't care) but (mistakenly) thinks he has caught
his "opponents"(a larger mistake I won't go into), in some sort
of a hypocrisy/contradiction. -crebbs
some sort of watershed legislation signifying the end of
Federalism. -crebbs
\_ "Consumers across the country deserve a single set of science-based
food warning requirements, not the confusing patchwork that we have
today," said Rep. Marsha Blackburn (news, bio, voting record),
R-Tenn.
I demand faith-based food warning requirements!
\_ According to the bible, a believer can drink any poison
and survive, so why do we need food warnings at all? Note
I'm getting this from a recent Boston Legal episode, but
I'm sure some Christian can give the reference.
\_ you are right, see Psalm 91:11,12 - (1)
but then you are also wrong, see Deuteronomy 6:13 - (2)
but then you are also wrong, see Deuteronomy 6:16 - (2)
and then there is Matthew 4 where satan uses (1) and
Jesus uses (2) in reply.
oh wait, u are just trolling. doh!
\_ The bible contradicts itself? You're shattering my
world!
\_ Psalm isn't the (very general, directly countered in
Matthew 4) reference they were talking about; they were
talking about Matthew 16:18.
talking about Mark 16:18.
\_ Deuteronomy 6:13 applies to Mark 16:18 too. It's
\_ Deuteronomy 6:16 applies to Mark 16:18 too. It's
the same idea.
\_ "Thou shalt fear the LORD thy God, and serve him,
and shalt swear by his name." -- Deut 6:13
ooooooook...
(note: verse corrected from 6:13 to 6:16. thanks!)
\_ My bad. It's Deut 6:16.
\_ To think I wasted years of my life building up an immunity
to iocane powder when all I needed to do was believe.
-westley
\_ Do you really think that we would be better off leaving all
food labeling to the states? The FDA std labeling require-
ments for many types of foods are a net positive for consu-
mers in terms of consistency and safety. You can go to any
store in any state in the union and read the label and know
what you are getting. That is a good thing in my book.
I agree that taking away the ability of the states to add
extra warnings could be a bad thing, but if the federal stds
are better than the state stds, then maybe it would be okay.
\_ If you read the article, this isn't about "better federal
in place of"; it's about states adding extra, and mfrs.
complaining b/c of cost.
\_ I read the article (hence, the "I agree, ..."). I was
suggesting that in this case abs. federalism would not
be a good thing. I have not read the bill, but if the
stds it required were more than anything the states
currently required (unlikely) it could be a good thing
as well.
\- The POWER of CAROLENE PRODUCTS |
| 2006/2/22-27 [Recreation/Food/Alcohol, Uncategorized/Profanity] UID:41960 Activity:nil |
2/22 http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/germany_manure_dc URL self explanitory. Heil Shit Eating German John!!! \_ What kind of wine pairs well with pig manure? \_ shit eating? what the fuck is your problem? seriously? |
| 2006/2/22-23 [Recreation/Food/Alcohol, Recreation/Food] UID:41948 Activity:moderate |
2/22 How do you like to prepare your steak? I'll start:
\_ marinate it in cheap cabernet for a whole week.
tender and tasty. Yummmm
\_ Seasoned with Crazy Salt, paprika, garlic powder, grilled, then
liberally doused with butter and lemon. Scrumptious.
\_ Coarse Sea Salt, Coarse Black Pepper, oil the grill, grill to
medium rare. Keep it simple.
\_ I just had an awesome filet done in balsamic vinegar. Yum. -John
\_ how long do you guys marinate it for? I had this awsome
steak that melted in the mouth one time. The waitress said
they age their steak in wine barrels for a few months.
I wonder what kind of marinate they used.
\_ Perhaps you misheard or she misspoke. If you 'aged' steak in
a marinade for months you would have only putrid sludge.
I'm thinking she might have meant 'dry aged' meat. Getting
back to your original question: Depends on size. Steaks
typically 12-36 hours. Larger roasts, 24-72 hrs.
\_ I have seen the results of marinating the head of a moose
in a 55 gallon drum of water for months, and it was indeed
putrid sludge. |
| 2006/2/22-27 [Recreation/Food/Alcohol] UID:41947 Activity:moderate |
2/22 What's the difference between Cabernet, Merlot, Zinfandel, Pinot
Noir, Syrah, Chardonnay, Sauvignon Blanc, Riesling, and Semillon?
\_ Basic answer is that they are all varietals of the same species
of grape: vitis vinifera. Wines are sometimes made from other
species as well, for instance vitis aestivalis (Norton grape),
but are generally not well-regarded. Vitis vinifera has its
origins in Europe and was brought to the New World because most
New World grapes make bad wine.
\- er do you know they are the mostly the names of grapes varieties
or are you asking more than that. usa: wine named after main grape.
france: wine named after place it comes from. the usa system is a
lot more friendly. if you want a user friendly book for just
basic basics [i.e. to prepare you to order non-french wines]
you get look at say the DUMMY WINE BOOK. to start out you can
learn what is red and what is white and the rough mapping
from grape -> french region [e.g. cab -> bordeaux, syrah -> rhone,
pinot noir -> burgandy etc]. cab: expensive. merlot: some ok.
zin: ass, pinot noir: good, pinot gris: good. chardonnay:
\_ I'm quite fond of the Ravenswood Zinfandel, though there does
seem to be a mediocre vintage every few years. It's fairly
cheap to, usually $6-$10 at Trader Joe's, maybe $8-$15 at
Safeway or Andronico's. Also, I'd highly recommend visiting
the North Berkeley wine shop. They always do well by me. -dans
cheap are ass, same with chablis go with sancerre or PG instead
if not $$$. i would not invest more than 30 min learning about
wine. beyond the basics all you need to know is a good wine store
[kermit lynch in berkeley]. if you have a more specific question,
why dont you ask it, like "what is a good $15 red that is easy
to find?".
to find?" [safeway, rodney strong].
\_ One thing to consider is that different regions handle different
types of wines better than others. I'd recommend learning a
little bit about what grape types usually have what qualities,
but only as a general guideline, and what sort of provenance is
more suited for what types. Mr. Winerjee is right about just
bothering with the basics; don't let anyone tell you "rules", just
try things out. The best is if people can point out various good
and bad aspects of certain wine types (such as how to look for
complexity, and why and when things like color and age matter), but
I usually steer clear of anyone who claims to be an expert. With
time you'll start appreciating differences and qualities more.
One last thing--within a certain price band (varies by country)
there's usually some correlation between quality and price, but
once again, only as a very rough & approximate guide. Always try
new stuff and don't be afraid to ask, even if a crappy sommelier
does b.s. you at some point--you'll spot this with time. Always
remember, it's just a drink, you have to like it. -John
\- Here is the 30 second list of grapes -> taste mapping:
*cab: usually fair amount of tannin unless expensive
strives for full body and complex taste.
the king of red wines.
\_ Tannin has more to do with age. Some of the
best are extremely tannic, but the tannins
mellow with age.
*merlot: fruitier and lighters than cab
*pinot noir: less ambitious than cab but less tannin so
more likely to be good for cheep
\_ More likely than *what* to be good for cheap?
Cab, maybe. Any other wine, probably not.
\_ Most likely to be non-repugnant for cheap. Least
likely to be good for cheap.
\_ Pinot is less likely to be good for cheap.
*syrah/shiraz: i have nothing to say
\_ Popular Rhone varietal along with grenache
and mourvedre. Makes outstanding wine.
geweurtz,*riesling: sweet
sancerre/*pinot gris: watery ... i dont mean that in a bad way.
esp since i like spicy food
*zin: spicy. i dont like zins. doesnt go well with the food i
like. yes i have had some good zins.
\_ This is the typical wine for Italian food.
\- I prefer THE POWER OF BAROLO but that
is beyond the price of this thread.
The good ones are better alone or with
cheese than with food.
\_ Also goes well with grilled meats and BBQ.
There are a lot of bad ones out there though..
*chardonnay: good ones are crispy and dryish but cheep ones
i think are not to my taste. i'd rather drink the
even cheeper pinot gris.
the king of white wines.
I would try a $12-$20 bottle of each of the 7 *ed wines
and that should give you a representative sense of each.
I wouldnt worry about the varieties until you decide how
serious you want to get about wine (time and money).
n.b. i would rather drink fruit juice than wine but i feel
obligated to order when i go to restaurants with my friends.
and i suppose it's good to be able to bring something
reasonable to a dinner party. BTW, i think most wines can
be described with this vocabulary: full/med/no body, yes/no
tanin, sweet or not sweet, high/med/low fruity, spicy aka
is it a zin, dry or wet. most of the people using words like
nutty, buttery, raspberry, guava, choclate, leather etc
have their head -> ass. you should learn about cheej not wine.
\_ I had a Toad Hollow pinot the other day. I couldn't place
the nose, but my roommate did. Rotten Oranges. It's not all
bullshit.
\_ If you're feeling cheap, Trader Joe's has $3-$7 bottles of
most of the above types. When you're ready to try quality,
visit Vino in Rockridge or on Piedmont and plan to spend
$12 to $20 for decent examples. --erikred
\- i've had decent table wine in france for $4-5 but here
i think bottles in that range just taste sort of
generic (or bad).
\_ Generally speaking, you're playing with fire in the
$4-$5 a bottle range of wine, but you do get lucky from
time to time. Nonetheless, what you just said flys
completely in the face of conventional wisdom and
actual events. French table wine is shit. It's so bad
that the French prefer cheap Californian wine to it.
This happened on such a large scale that the French
government had to impose massive import duties on cheap
California wine so French table winemakers wouldn't go
out of business. -dans
\_ Were you ever really into comic books? Did you ever have
three hour debates about the merits of various minor
characters in the X-men universe? Wine "people" are like
that, only they're adults and frequently drunk.
\_ But you know what's funny? Every discussion on the motd
having to do with wine ends up as a flame war about wine
dorks, and yet if someone had instead posted a highly
technical question about an X-man, it would be seriously
debated for three screens with no one pointing out how
dorky it is.
\_ You forgot one other distingiushing characteristic. As
comic dorks age, they realize that a better use of their
comic collection is to keep it in good condition and sell
it, ending up with a net profit. Wine dorks on the other
hand, drink up their stupid and expensive hobby. Which
is of course the point.
\_ Lots of wine people collect more wine than they
drink. However, drinking it is a lot more fun
than selling comics. Collecting comics will, for
instance, probably not get you laid. Collecting
wine probably will.
\_ I dispute that. And I will further state that
people who will fuck you because of your comics
collection are far better lays than people who will
fuck you because of your wine collection. -dans
\_ Not 'because' of the collection, but because
you shared it. I wouldn't touch any chick
that was into comics, BTW. Yuck.
\_ The notion that one might have a collection of
*anything* he/she was really into and not
share it with an SO is just bizarre. And your
idea that `chicks' who are into comics are
yucky is silly and juvenile. I'm going to
make an equally ridiculous logical leap and
guess that you won't touch women who have
tatoos or dyed hair or who perform what, to
you, must seem like bizarre deviant sex acts
such as oral and anal sex. I hope you enjoy
your boring, missionary sex, with your boring,
missionary chix. -dans
\_ I think you miss the entire point,
which is that you tend to have a lot
more fun with women after you've shared
2 bottles of wine with them than after you
read Sandman #1 together - in general.
BTW, tattoos are nasty on women. You are
right that I don't touch that. More for
you, I guess.
\_ Wow. So getting drunk and having sex
can be fun. I'll be damned. You can
do that with a bottle of Old Grandad
as well.
\_ Not if the woman has any class
or taste you can't.
\_ Well, I would probably hate the
women you spend time with just
as much as you would hate those
I spend time with. Yes, it's
a class thing. I just think
people like you are shit, and
obviously it's mutual. So fuck
you.
\_ You need some anger management
classes. I don't hate you
at all.
\_ Don't be stupid. Breaking this down into
wine/comics is a useless generalization.
I suspect dans' point is more along the
lines of "conservative snob != fun".
But naturally women that read comics
never ever drink.
\_ I went to an Exploratorium presentation on The Science of
Wine. It was funny to watch all of these very nicely
attired and sophisticated people degenerate into lushes.
\_ "Wine people" are as bad as restaurant groupies. The
word you are looking for is "pretentious". And for once,
amazingly, I agree with psb about "head->ass". I'd
even go so far as to say that "x goes well with y" is no
more than a general guide; if you're ever in a restaurant
where the sommelier looks at you funny for ordering, say,
red with fish (or for any reason), leave. -John
\- good sommaliers have come up with some neat pairings
and recommendations. but that's true of more than just
wine and food ... like pears go well with some cheejes,
chocolate and orange is a a classic combination,
chocolate and thyme is not. i can both think over
cooking a good steak is a waste and you have poor
taste or order such well done, yet support your right
"have it your way".
\_ The short chain organic molecules in wine do combine over
time to create the esters and phenols that create the
distrinctive smells of different foods. It is not just
your imagination if you smell leather or chocolate in
a wine, especially a well aged one, the exact same chemicals
that help give something its distinctive odor might be in
your wine. Don't assume that everyone has their head -> ass
time to create the esters, phenols and aldehydes that create
time to create the esters, phenols & aldehydes that create
the smells of different foods. It is not just your
time to create the esters, phenols and aldehydes that
create the smells of different foods. It is not just your
imagination if you smell leather or chocolate in a wine,
especially a well aged one, the exact same chemicals that
help give something its distinctive odor might be in your
wine. Don't assume that someone has their head -> ass
just because you cannot smell them. -ausman
\_ Dogs have much larger sections of their brains devoted to
smell than humans. It would be amusing to train a dog
to distinguish all these subtle wine distinctions.
\_ Dogs have much larger sections of their brains devoted
to smell than humans. It would be amusing to train a
dog to distinguish all these subtle wine distinctions.
to smell than humans. It would be amusing to train a dog
to distinguish all these subtle wine distinctions.
I think it would not be too hard to modify the drug dog
training for this purpose.
\_ Everyone recognizes different smells in wine, you are
absolutely correct. The "head->ass" part comes from
my subjective observation that people who pontificate
about how marvelous wine xyz is because it smells like
the orgasmic fart of the black-striped Angolan bog
fungus or whatever tend to be pompous morons. "Wine
people". -John
\- jim ausman: there is a difference between
"ok i can see why you say this has a hint of
raspberry" after tasting something and taking
two of those head->ass adjective vectors and
using them as a basis to pick a wine. i'm saying
those little cards in stores that talk about how
one wine has a hint of nutmeg and chocolate and
cherry and other has a soupcon of lemon zest
crossed with clover honey is not useful. more
useful would be a 10 word vocabular that actually
mean something. maybe a good analogy is to
crayola. i understand you need to go beyond
RGB and "blue green" to describe some colors.
and you do get a sense of what color is meant
by peach or salmon or olive green ... but do you
have any fucking clue what color "raw umber" is?
ok tnx. (raw umber is the color of "dirt").
\_ There is no "raw umber" crayon; it was
"burnt umber," and it's been discontinued.
I agree that the cards in wine stores aren't
useful to someone who isn't a wine snob, but
certain wine snobs can quite accurately
determine a specific wine in blind taste
tests, so there's clearly something there. -tom
\- are you such an authority on crayons you
you didnt even bother to google this?
BTW, wine snobbery is about attitude, not
resolving power.
\_ tom -> smacked |
| 2006/2/19-23 [Finance/CC, Recreation/Food/Alcohol] UID:41928 Activity:kinda low |
2/18 Does anyone know whether or not it is legal for a restaurant to
withhold wages/tips from a waiter if a customer leaves without paying?
This seems totally illegal to me but my google legal fu is weak.
\_ Wages, no. Tips, the portion the customer might reasonably be
expected to tip. -dans
\- i doubt that is legal. in CA management cannot force the
tips to be shared with anybody not directly involved in
front room service [can share with busboy butr not dishwasher
front room service [can share with busboy but not dishwasher
or cooks]. in fact i would think this is covered under some
broader employment rules about you cant charge employees for
fuckups like this. i can ask a acquiantance who is a chef-owner
fuckups like this. i can ask an acquiantance who is a chef-owner
in SF about the dine&&dash situation.
\_ might depend on locale... see #9
http://waiterrant.blogspot.com/2005/07/check-please-ah-check-my-favorite-part.html
\_ That guy needs to seriously get a different job.
\_ http://www.restaurant.org/legal/ask_archives.cfm -- whoops, next
link down.
\_ This answers the question. Since most waiters make minimum
wage (in CA), it's going to be illegal in most cases.
\_ at least in santa clara county, you can call for a quick 20min
free legal referral
\_ It's illegal in all states my contact at the Golden Gate Rest.
Assn. knows of. If someone doesn't pay for a meal, obviously
there's no tip for that meal for the rest. owner to withhold, but
they may not withhold money from any of the other tips. Nor can
they charge waiters for broken dishes or the likes. That said,
there is a good reason why most people who matter in any given
restaurant loathe waiters (especially primadonna prissy
whores like the blogspot guy above). Good ones are few and very
far between and deserve a nice fat cash tip. -John
\- Your GGRA assicate isnt named "Dan" is he?
\_ No, it's my friend Vinnie da Pesto Hammer. -John |
| 2006/2/3-7 [Recreation/Food, Recreation/Food/Alcohol] UID:41696 Activity:low |
2/3 Apple sued based on iPod volume:
http://tinyurl.com/892c8
It's lawsuits like this that make our legal system look sue-happy. I
find that portable music players in general aren't loud enough and
occasionally have to use software to increase the volume on my mp3
files. Yet these type of suits force manufacturers to lower the
volume. I like listening to my music loud, being totally engulfed in
it. I know I'm putting my ears at risk, but that's my choice, just
like it was for this plantiff. It's common sense. If I ride my bike
down a steep hill in SF I could lose control in crash, should the bike
manufacturer put a warning that gravity could impact my ability to
control a bike on steep hills? NONSENSE!
\_ Uhm, did you ever figure that maybe you need to turn it up so high
because you have *already* damaged your hearing?
\_ Yep, and that's ok, it should be my choice. You only live
once, and if that means enjoying music at a nice loud
volume, but having to ask people to speak up or repeat things,
that's ok. Just because Oreos make me fat doesn't mean they
should be sued because I choose to eat a row a day, imparing my
health.
that's ok. Just because Oreos make me fat doesn't mean
Nabisco should be sued because I choose to eat a row a day,
imparing my health.
\_ All true but not really what I was getting at. But I guess
if you're willing to spend half your life unable to hear in
exchange for loud music today... shrug. I suspect your 50+
year old self will curse your 20-30 year old self when the
time comes. Let us know how that goes.
\_ "If I'd known I was going to live this long, I'd have
taken better care of myself."
\_ It would be interesting to see how much power it puts out of the
headphone jack compared to an early 80's Walkman. I suspect it is
about the same.
\_ Read the article; it claims most players put out 100db, the
iPod puts out 115db (except in Europe, where Apple was
required to limit it to 100db). -tom
\_ The 80's guy has a point, walkmans used to be louder, before
the lawsuit against Sony in the 80's. That's why all their
players now have AVLS, which lowers the volume down to a whisper.
There's actually hacks for some Sony walkmans to unlock the true
volume potential (http://tinyurl.com/b2ecw
\_ My Sony CD Walkman from 10yrs ago has a switch to turn off AVLS.
It has three settings: Off, AVLS 1 (less reduction), AVLS 2 (more
reduction).
\_ The earbud headphones are much more likely to damage your ears,
especially the iPod ones because 1) The speaker is much closer to
your ear canal and 2) It doesn't block out outside sound as well
which means people crank it up higher to filter out the world.
\_ This really is ridiculous. They have clear notices that cranking
it up can hurt you. We don't speed limit cars to 5mph because any
faster "could hurt or kill you".
\_ Actually, we do put speed limiters on cars.
\_ objection, argumentative.
\_ This reminds me of the McDonald lawsuit which a lady ordered a cup
of hot coffee, put it between her legs, drove off, spilled, burnt
herself, and sued because the hot coffee was hot. I think McD
should avoid future lawsuits by changin its menu offering:
Customer: One hot coffee please.
Cashier: Hot or cold?
Customer: Hot coffer please.
Cashier: The hot kind of hot coffee or the cold kind of hot coffee?
Customer: ......
\_ Stella Liebeck: http://www.lectlaw.com/files/cur78.htm
During discovery, McDonalds produced documents showing more than
700 claims by people burned by its coffee between 1982 and 1992.
McDonalds ... held its coffee at between 180 and 190 degrees ...
Other establishments sell coffee at substantially lower
temperatures. Liebeck, who also underwent debridement treatments,
sought to settle her claim for $20,000, but McDonalds refused.
McDonalds asserted that customers buy coffee on their way to
work or home, intending to consume it there. However, the
companys own research showed that customers intend to consume
the coffee immediately while driving.
For those preferring a biased source:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/8/1/141345/4615
\_ Just because the other establishments mislabel their warm
coffee as hot coffee, it doesn't mean McD should be required
to follow this practice.
\_ Now you're just trolling. If you don't know wth the case
was about, do us all a favor.
\_ If Liebeck thought the coffee was too hot, why was she
drinking it while driving? She wanted to burn her throat and
stomach?
\_ Well, I'd assume that she didn't know it was 'too hot'
until she'd already sustained severe burns. Your comment
suggests that either you didn't read the lectlaw link,
or that you missed some rather important details while
skimming it. Perhaps you should, at least, reread the
article.
\_ Erm who gives a shit? PP is right, why was she
drinking it while driving? A normal person will take
a sip, realize it's too hot, and wait. -John
\_ 1) she wasn't driving. 2) the vehicle wasn't in
motion. 3) the coffee was 185F. Do your homework
or STFU. Or don't. Whatever's funnier. *shrug*
\_ Actually, reading you get annoyed is pretty
funny. -John
\_ Yeahyeah, bite me. Punk. :P
\_ I have to agree. McD coffee has always been
nukingly hot, and takes forever to cool down in
its insulated container. annoying.
\_ Apple Discontinues Sales To Stupid People:
http://tinyurl.com/dg9q7 |
| 2006/2/2-4 [Recreation/Food/Alcohol, Recreation/Food] UID:41672 Activity:high |
2/3 Do people really freak out when seeing bones or seeing a fish head
when eating?
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/chronicle/archive/2006/02/01/FDGMRGTIIG1.DTL
\_ My sister won't eat meat if there's anything to remind her that the
meat is from an animal. But somehow the shape of a chicken breast
muscle doesn't push that button.. People are weird.
\_ I am guessing you are not Asian.
\_ You'd be correct.
\_ So I'm curious. Do you whities think that we Asians are
barbaric? -asian
\_ I'm stunned that you would have to ask. Of course we do,
what with your kancho video games and rice bomb cars and
those wacky samurai swords. Are you gonna try and convince
me to eat my dog next? I hope not, cuz that just ain't
happening mah brotha...
\_ Riceboys ain't yer brotha, white trash. -- n***er
\_ Riceboy ain't yer brotha, white trash. -- n***er
\_ You'd be correct. But this is beyond "not Asian". It's a
sad dissociation that people want to ignore where food comes
from.
\_ I think all kids should be taken hunting and/or fishing
when they are young. It eliminates BS pussies like your
sister and teaches respect for nature. I wanted to take my
9 year old pussy nephew who doesn't eat meat for similar
reasons duck hunting and his retard mom (similar to your
sister) has brainwashed him so much that he won't go. The
only meat he'll eat is pepperoni on pizza. That's just
plain wrong and (IMO) unhealthy physically and mentally.
- not OP
\_ In Japan there is a kind of sashimi where they take a live fish, cut
out all the flesh off one side of the fish except the head and the
tail, leaving the whole head, tail, skeleton, and the other side of
the body intact. Then they cut the flesh into sashimi, and put it
back on the fish body. They they serve it to the table. When you
eat the sashimi, the fish is still not dead yet. Its mouth and tail
still moves a little. I tried it once at a restaurant in the
still move a little. I tried it once at a restaurant in the
Kawasaki area called Bikkuri Sushi. Interestingly, "bikkuri" means
"surprise".
\_ I strongly agree.
\_ I totally agree. If you are going to be a uncivilized
barbarian and eat meat, you should be comfortable killing
and eating it like a wild animal.
If, on the other hand, you want to be a decent civilized
human being, eschew meat altogether and be a vegetarian.
\_ You grow all your own food? You only eat food that grows
natively in your region without the use of chemicals? You
don't eat food grown else where and brought in by diesel
burning trucks and ships? And why is it ok to eat plants
anyway? Plants are alive, the same as you and your dog,
fluffy.
\_ In Japan there is a kind of sashimi where they take a live fish,
cut out all the flesh off one side of the fish except the head and
the tail, leaving the whole head, tail, skeleton, and the other
side of the body intact. Then they cut the flesh into sashimi,
and put it back on the fish body. They they serve it to the table.
When you eat the sashimi, the fish is still not dead yet. Its
mouth and tail still move a little. I tried it once at a
restaurant in the Kawasaki area called Bikkuri Sushi.
Interestingly, "bikkuri" means "surprise".
\_ A faimly took me out to a restaurant in Tokushima and served me
this. It was called "ikizukure"(sp?) ("living, twitching")
sashimi, there. -- ulysses
\_ Thanks for the name. I forgot. It's either ikizukuri or
ikezukuri. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ikizukuri Check out
the picutre link at the bottom. When I had it, it's even
worse. The chef put the meat right on the body, and I
more worse. The chef put the meat right on the body, and I
had to pick the meat off the skeleton. -- PP
\_ There's a sushi place in Bel Air, CA that serves this.
\_ Any in the Bay Area?
\_ I find that both disgusting and cool.
Photos of the process and result:
http://www.oak.dti.ne.jp/~koione/english-ikizukuri.html
\_ This just seems gratuitously cruel.
the picutre link at the bottom. When I had it, it's even more
worse. The chef put the meat right on the body, and I had to
pick the meat off the skeleton. -- PP
\_ It looks like he bonked it on the head first...
\_ if you want to guarantee freshness, you have proof.
\_ Do they do anything with the other half of the fish, or does
that just go to waste?
\_ After finishing the sashimi, the customer has the option to
have the other half cooked into something else. I had soup
cooked from it. -- PP
\_ There's this scene in Oldboy where the guy eats a whole live
octopus, which wriggles all the way down. This definitely rules.
\_ I'm fine with fish & meat and the way it's caught and butchered,
but I really don't need to see it on my plate, staring at me. -John |
| 2005/9/21-23 [Recreation/Food/Alcohol, Recreation/Food] UID:39792 Activity:low |
9/21 Why is the Chinese black egg black? Is it safe to eat? What chemical
compound made it black? It looks like lead, but it's yummy.
\_ You mean thousand year old egg? I think that's duck egg preserved
in tea.
\_ It's funny that the thousand year old egg was featured in Fear
Factor. When I saw that episode, I'm like "I'll eat it without
a prize."
\_ Koreans sometimes soak hard boiled eggs in watered down soy
sause. They turn brown. Those are pretty tasty too.
\_ The Japanese do something similar for oden. Cf. the egg in
vinegar science trick. (The egg in oden is not as rubbery...)
\_ Let me tell you something *REALLY* scary... *TRADITIONALLY* those
'thousand year old egg' was made by marinating the egg in
*HORSE PISS*. No, I am not kidding. We don't do it in horse
piss anymore, if you are really interested in this, I can find out.
It bothers me that how my ancestors one day came up with this idea
"let me soak egg in this and see how's taste..."
\_ Well it's not as bad as the famous Shit Eating German porn.
\_ I have a guess as to why urine was pissed. A disgruntled
chef in the Dynasty thought it'd be funny to serve the
emperor egg that is dipped in urine. It turns out the
emperor liked it so much that it's an official dish.
Uh, seriously though, that's just an urban legend. Black
eggs are black because of charcoal, tea, and other things.
http://ask.yahoo.com/20011114.html <-- see?
\_ Like how we grow mushrooms on cold horse shit?
\_ No way, you're shitting me!!!
\_ MOVE OVER GERMANY!!!!1!!
\_ Nothing beats your Shit Eating German porn. How the hell
did you guys come up with that stuff. It is just sick.
\_ I hate to sound like a freak, but piss in general has a lot of
really useful properties (all that ammonia, etc.). Pre-Industrial
really useful properties (all that urea, etc.). Pre-Industrial
folks had a lot of uses for it, including medicine and laundry.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urine |
| 2005/9/9-11 [Recreation/Food/Alcohol] UID:39598 Activity:nil |
9/9 http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050909/od_nm/germany_beer_dc The world's strongest beer. VAT IST IT BOUT ZIE GERMANS?? \_ Another high bar for those Floridians. |
| 2005/8/16-17 [Recreation/Food, Recreation/Food/Alcohol] UID:39135 Activity:high |
8/16 http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050816/ap_on_re_us/hispanics_immigration "A majority of Hispanics born in the United States don't think illegal Hispanic immigrants should be given drivers' licenses, according to a new poll." \_ C'mon, folks, it's a sting operation. \_ That would be kinda funny. "Here's you driver's licence sir, and here's your border patrol officer." \_ Seriously, you don't see this happening? \_ In a word, no. \_ You don't need borders! How Cold War! Become a Citizen of the World! Get your Global Work Permit! Travel! See the sights! When there are no more borders, there will be no more war! Hey, what is the EU policy on non-EU people trotting about? How about Switzerland? \_ We have a treaty with the EU to allow bilateral work permits very easily. The overprotected, overpriced, mollycoddled Swiss markets could use it (just like the overprotected, &c &c US, Jap and EU markets could use some competition) as we're seeing an insane amount of super-qualified people coming in from Germany and Austria who are fleeing statist ham-handedness there, and really raising the quality bar here. And although the EU is a bureaucratic shitpile, its very existence is sure motivating the Poles/Czechs/Balts and friends into becoming lean, fast- growing economies. Global economics is not a zero-sum game, to be ruined by protectionist tax-horny command-economy government hacks. May I suggest a cabin in Montana? -John \- I am for sure going to have fun watching "libertarian" geeks sort themelves out into various flavors under the pressure of globalization. i wonder if there will be an attempt to vincent chin somebody in a pathetic geek way. \_ Partha once went on record as saying libertarians are libertarian because this allows them to excuse the way they naturally feel, or something like that. I am sort of they naturally feel, or something like that. I was sort of idly wondering if John is going to show up one day and accuse Partha of overgeneralizing and 'wrongthink,' but then I realized it's only chic to do that to me. -- ilyas \_ Dey took ur' jerbs!! \_ We'll just take our families and go start american food restaurants in Calcutta. That'll show 'em. -JOhn \_ Genuinely curious... Do they sell Garden Burgers in India? \- no, in india it is easy to find vegetarian food that actually tastes good. you dont have newly minted vegetarians who "miss" the hamburger experience. and burgers are generally mutton or chicken if memory serves. serving beef in a high profile way [like if you are mcd] is just asking for trouble. \_ Spoken like someone who's never tried a really good veggie patty. I am not a vegetarian, and I appreciate a good beefburger, but there is such a thing as a really tasty veggie burger. \- when i go to india, kolkata in particular, i basically become a vegetarian because the vegetarian food is better than about every- thing else and cheaper too. so while i dont typcally eat vegetarian burgers here, on statistical grounds this is pretty defensible. many of the vegetables here are really expensive or bland, especially tomatos. in much of india since you buy fresh vegetables at the market every day, they may look funky but they are vastly better than about any non-chez panisse level vegetables here. i think a better comparison is something like say flan ... flan will not take off in india anytime soon because there is nothing to cause the flan market to go through a "hyper inflation" phase. it's not a matter of whether flan is good or bad ... it's not enough better than domestic sweets. pizza on the other hand is an innovation that is taking off because of marketing and novelty. in spite of the pizza being bad. so yes if for some reason a company making really tasty veggie burgers dumps millions of dollars into mkting, then maybe they will taken off, but that's not going to happen. \_ I have a colleague originally from around about Hyderabad who went to the Bombay Inst of Tech. He complained (at length) about American hamburgers. His reasoning was the home of the hamburger (his idea, not mine) should have a huge variety of meat and non-meat hamburgers available. This because he bragged about the huge variety of specifically non-meat burgers available in (I presume) Bombay and Hyderabad. He also, IIRC, said meat hamburgers were uncommmon. That said, he may simply have been whinging since he was dealing with some pretty bad culture shock at the time. -- ulysses \_ There is a huge variety of meat and non-meat burgers available here in the USA. \_ Yup. One place has Ostrich burgers I think. Forgot the name. \_ Fuddrucker's does. It's also common to see turkey, buffalo, salmon, and many varieties of soy/veggie burgers. \_ There's also an awesome place on the main square in Sonoma that does a duck burger with foie gras. It's really good. -John \- well i think those still dont count as "common". mcd, bk, carls jr, wendys etc are mostly beef, some chicken options, one fish item, but no lamb, mutton, goat, turkey, pork [maybe turkey] etc. contrast to say a typical mexican facility with al pastor, carne asada, ground beef, chortizo, carnitas, tongue etc. same for a deli ... lots of options compared to a typical hamburger facility. --psb \_ Look in a Wal-Mart for what the "common" American eats. The places you mentioned have about as much food value as Viet Cong sandals cut from truck tires. As for Indian food, didn't the head of Congress' youth wing once chop up his gf and hide her in a tandoori oven? Mmh! -John \_ The discussion was about common hamburger options, not what is healthy or common to eat. \_ Yes, and the options meantioned were of Viet Cong truck tire sandal food value, allowing for crack about average Americans' dining habits, Wal-Mart and tandoori dismemberment. Capisce? \_ Almost every fast food joint offers a chicken sandwich/burger. Jack in the Box had the Turkey Jack. Once you stray from the big chains, though, you easily find the rest. Turkey burgers are especially easy to find, as are veggie burgers. Even the big chains have had veggie burgers at various times. I think some still do. \- BTW, one reason traditional burgers and pizza in india are ass is because you cannot get good "cheej". i dunno if you will "get" this if you dont know india, but i thought this was both hilarious & insightful in the horrible VS Naipaul way: http://csua.org/u/d26 [you have to click fwd to the first page of text]. you may also wish to see: http://csua.org/u/d27 for more fun with Sir Vidia. \_ There is lots of good vegetables \_ There are lots of good vegetables at reasonable prices here. You just have to go to Farmer's markets, like the one at the Civic Center in San Francisco. Organic produce from Whole Foods is also quite good, but pricey. -ausman |
| 2005/7/24-28 [Recreation/Food/Alcohol, Recreation/Food] UID:38799 Activity:nil |
7/24 foodP! 7pm Fondue Freds, Wednesday 7/27
come one, come all
\_ use evite.
\_ how much is it? I'm poor...
\_ The idea is to take advantage of their 6+ person deal, which
comes out to basically $20/person. Definitely more expensive
than say a TopDog, but it is an all-you-can-eat deal for fondue
and their house wine.
The CSUA used to have regular FoodP's, a tradition that has
(sadly) apparently died. -ERic
\_ Who is going? Alumni or students? I'm a poor student, can you
rich wealthy land-owning alumni buy me food? I promise to
entertain you guys with new Soda Hell stories. Are there going
to be hot women? Is karen going?
\_ Are there going to be stalkers attending?
\_ Why? You lose yours?
\_ CSUA w/ booth babes. Now there's a concept.
\_ I had fondue once and hated it. Maybe it was the particular
cheese? Or is it usually the same type? It was also expensive for
what it is and the skill involved. I think I'd love a chocolate
fondue though.
\_ There are many variations, but a typical cheese fondue will
contain some of swiss, gruyere and ementhaler cheeses, plus dry
white wine, and often some garlic, or lemon juice, or kirch.
Personally I love gruyere, but some people hate it.
\_ A crappy fondue has too much starch, low quality wine, shitty
cheese, cat intestines, whatever in it. -John the Fondue Expert
\_ I like Fondue Fred's. And their house wine is excellent after the
third glass or so. I'd go if I was in the bay area. -niloc |
| 2005/7/13-14 [Recreation/Food/Alcohol, Recreation/Food] UID:38595 Activity:nil |
7/13 Coffee shop opens in Utah without coffee, cigarettes, or alcohols
because Mormons can't touch them:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,162317,00.html
\_ I'd say that's totally gay, but Mormons don't like that either.
\_ Well, sell to your customers. It's not hard to get coffee and
alcohol in Utah if you want them. |
| 2005/6/8-9 [Recreation/Food/Alcohol, Recreation/Food] UID:38030 Activity:nil |
6/7 Has anybody been to Cafe Jacqueline in SF? Is it a reasonable
first date restaurant or is it a little over the top for a 1D?
Also does the menu work with 2 people or best with more? OK TNX.
\_ It's reasonable. But it's pretty expensive. It is best for
2 people since some souffles are two-person serving. I ended
up paying over $60 per person for two meal souffles and one
dessert souffle (no wine, no appetizers). I didn't think it
was worth the price. The restaurant itself didn't look fancy,
but something too fancy could be intimidating for a 1st date. |
| 2005/5/3-4 [Recreation/Food/Alcohol] UID:37494 Activity:nil |
5/3 http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7720569/?GT1=6542 big burger war |
| 2005/4/8-10 [Recreation/Food/Alcohol, Recreation/Food] UID:37124 Activity:moderate |
4/8 Which is best? Suppenkuche, Walzwerk, or Schnitzelhaus?
\-Der Wienerschnitzel on San Pablo.
\_ Are all three in SF? Speisekammer in Alameda is also decent.
Only been to Suppenkuche and Speisekammer, both were quite
good (but Suppenkuche was superior, I though)
\_ Enlighten us mere mortals: WTF are you talking about ?
\_ German restaurants.
\_ Huh, it seems Spieskammer is owned by a half-owner of
Suppenkuche.
\_ I've never been to a German restaurant, what is it like? The
closest I've ever gotten is Top-Dog where I eat semi-Germananic
frank. Yes, it's pathetic. What exactly do you get at German
restaurants besides frank and lager? Do you get to see hot robust
German blond waitresses with thick Bulvarian accent?
\_ Der Wienerschnitzel, for one. Also potato pancakes and hearty
dark German lagers that are nothing like American lagers.
\- you can get your meat stuffed with meat at Suppenkuche
\_ Is that homosexual code?
\- du bist eine hasa
\_ Ach, mein Leben! -John
\_ Der Worte sind genug gewechselt,
lasst mich auch endlich Taten sehn!
\_ there are regional variants, i.e. fish from the coastal
areas and wimpy bland sausage from the alps, but classics
found in the u.s. include roulade (meat or cabbage rolls
w/ meaty stuffing), hot potato salad, and sauerbraten
(roast beef marinated for many days in wine vinegar).
of course many sausages, cabbage variants, soups,
and chunks of fatty roated meat. all go well w/ beer. |
| 2005/4/5-8 [Recreation/Food/Alcohol, Recreation/Food] UID:37078 Activity:moderate |
4/5 Any recommendations for an SF restaurant that can accomodate
25-30, at $30-$40/person. Note: in my experience big dinners
tend to come in 20-30% more expensive than smaller dinners
[i.e. a $30/person rest comes in at $40 when you have
20-30 people ordering glasses/bottles of wine or appetizers
right and left, or taking advantage of a split check]. Tnx.
\_ Check the Blue Plate or Chenery Park and ask if you can just rent
the place. They're very nice people. -John
\_ how about Jillian's, i'm sure enough alcohol can get you
up to $30 per.
\_ Just about any decent sized place in Chinatown will do this.
The Slanted Door has a room for 24. Might be a bit out
of your price range. -ausman
\_ Check out Delancey Street Restaurant (600 Embarcadero at Brannan)
it's pretty good, plus they do cheap ($4) valet parking if people
are coming by car. -dans
\- Hmm, this may be a good option on a non-baseball night.
I guess I'll havve to stop in and try the food. ok tnx.
I guess I'll havve to stop in and try the food.
SD, BP, CP are all more expensive. this is just for a dinner
with friends so i dont really want to or feel the need to
rent an exclusive venue. i think metreon probably has to much
of a rifraff factor on a fri/sat night. ok tnx.
\_ What is wrong with Chinatown? Do I need to give you
a specific restaurant name? -ausman
\_ I like the food there a lot, and it's for a good cause.
\_ one of my favorites while I lived in the Bay Area was Eos. |
| 2005/3/31-4/1 [Recreation/Food/Alcohol, Recreation/Food] UID:37002 Activity:high |
3/31 So I heard this 'rumor' from someone that a bunch of Hispanic
people ate at a Chinese restaurant, and decided to make a run
for it and not pay. The restaurant stopped the last person and
called the police, but the police fined the restaurant and let
the person go because the restaurant does not have authority
to detain anyone. Does this sound right to you guys or am I
missing something here? What should the restaurant do? This
supposedly happened in Chicago recently.
\_ Bah. They're buying too many houses anyway. They
deserve to be dined-and-ditched.
\- The restaurant may be in the wrong, but that doesnt
mean the dine-n-dasher gets off scott free. Both
parties can be guilty/liable for different things.--psb
\_ So what's the proper course of action for
for the restaurant? Is this different from
shoplifting?
\- There is probably both a civil and criminal
claim they could persue. I dont know what they
should do. This is one of those stories where
you probably hear a bunch of upfront stuff
that gets people outraged but you never hear the
followup [like the $20million jury award which
ends up being whittled down to $1.2m]. --psb
\_ can't you citizens arrest them?
\_ This largely depends on local statutes
and the circumstances. Generally, skipping
out on your bill is a petty larceny (unless
you're a dining at the Ritz). A private party
generally does not have the right to restrain
someone they suspect of this low level of
crime. If this person was detained against
their will and that detention was wrongful,
the detained party has a false imprisonment
or false arrest claim to which there is no
defense.
The restaurant's best bet for recovery is
in small claims ct under a breach of contract
theory.
\- dont you think if you were in the shoes
of the restaurant you would be more
interested in the dasher beinf punished
than getting your $30. if the da office
will take it [broken window theory], that's
what i would do. --psb
\_ I agree that I would prefer a
criminal conviction, but a DA will
probably not take the case b/c
he has no interest in wasting a
bunch of time to get a conviction
or plea bargain for a crime that
carries w/ it a max penalty of
$500 or so.
It would be much easier to show
up in Small Claims w/ the bill
and the name of the dude you
detained and ask for damages for
breach of contract. This would
be a 15 min deal.
\- yes but then you have to rely
on the sheriff or whoever to
enforce the $30 collection.
i doubt these people really care
about having a judgement against
them. maybe if something like that
can affect their credit it would
be worth it. in the economic pale
this is a non-starter. i assume
DAs offices spend some amount of
resources on "broken window" crimes,
and if this becomes high profile
[i.e. race card] that could work
in your favor or against [vandalism
to your restaurant]. --psb
\_ Hmmm.. Interesting. My question
remains, how is this different from
shoplifting? You mean the store cannot
stop me from walking out with their
merchandise without paying too? I don't
think that's the case but I don't see
the difference here.
\_ Generally, in order for a merchant to
detain a person suspected of a crime,
the crime must have been committed in
their immediate presence (watching a
crime on video counts). If the crime
is not witnessed by the merchant,
then they can still detain you but
they risk a false arrest/imprisonment
suit.
As an example, say that you go to Fry's
and you pick up a copy of Chaos Theory
put it in your backpack and try to
walk out the front door. Unless they
saw it all on video or a clerk saw
you give yourself the 5 finger
discount, the highlighter dude can't
stop you from walking out of the
store w/o risking a possible false
arrest suit.
\_ So you're telling me that there's no
legal basis for all detainments made
by store detectives for shoplifting? I
know there was some discussion about this
2-3 years back. -John
\_ Thanks! I am gonna try that with a
PSP, isn't this country great! ;)
\_ Yup, this country is great for
lawyers.
\_ Before you do this, please
realize that if they choose
to detain you, they might
call the cops who can
arrest you for real. You
would not have an action
against the cops b/c they
acted under probable cause.
Note that the cops could
probably arrest you even
if you had proof (ie a
receipt) that no crime was
committed b/c it is not
the cops job to judge
the proof.
BTW does the PSP cost more
than $500? If so, suspicion
of swiping one would be a
Grand Larceny and you don't
want to go there.
\_ Yes and no. Police (in CA) aren't
empowered to arrest you for a
misdemeanor crime that they didn't
witness taking place. On the other
hand, if a citizen wishes to make
a citizen's arrest, they can sign
the 'citizen's arrest' form that the
peace officer has in his car. Of
course, if it turns out that the
accusation is false (and therefore a
false arrest) ALL the liability
falls on the person that signed the
form. If the cop is a good one,
he'll warn you if he thinks you're
making a mistake. So, be wary of
detaining someone, then signing
them into custody on the basis of a
citizen's arrest form -- if you
can't prove your case, you could
lose your shirt. -POC
\- look the law is more likely to
work in the case of serious
offenses and against people
\_ serious offenses? like, say,
felonies? felony !=
misdemeanor.
who are not "judgement proof"...
either because they have money,
they have informal or formal
reputations etc. this is even
more the case with "de minimus"
one shot economic stuff. what
ever happened with sloda'
LA vigilante who went after
the bus driver or whatever it
was. --psb
\_ reread, please. Police can
make an arrest for possible
felonies without being there
to witness the crime. it's
not very complicated. -POC
\- i'm talking about
pratical outcomes, not
what is theoretically
possible. after my car
was stolen the people
who stole it left a
time stamped receipt
for a jack in the box
drive thru where i am
sure they have a video
camera. i am also sure
the police have no interest
in pursuing this one i
got my car back. the above
was (clearly i thought)
a general comment on
minor minor crimes
[broken window]. --psb
\_ I'm sure BUD DAY has the authority to detain those damn dirty
wetback spics.
\_ Are you Chinese? Do you have any of idea of the effect of
Chinese food on Hispanics?
\_ Remember those Korean guys with rifles on top of the grocery
stores during the Rodney King riots, when it turned out that the
protection rackets would actually have to provide protection for
real? Other alternative is to bring their food into line with
mediocre Chinese food in a lot of places and make the remaining
check-skippers regret they ever ate there in the first place. The
regular college crowd will keep coming regardless, all that cold
pizza and stale beer makes you immune to whatever ChiCom biological
warfare agents they put in that shit. -John
\_ it's just MSG.
\_ Walgreens often encourages their managers to run shoplifters down
with their cars in the parking lot, and to engage them in highspeed
chase if they get away. dumb? yes. Illegal? almost certainly. But
I know a manager who was yelled at for *not* engaging in a car chase
after a shoplifter.
\_ Bah. They're buying too many houses anyway. They
deserve to be dined-and-ditched.
\- The restaurant may be in the wrong, but that doesnt
mean the dine-n-dasher gets off scott free. Both
parties can be guilty/liable for different things.--psb
\_ So what's the proper course of action for
for the restaurant? Is this different from
shoplifting?
\- There is probably both a civil and criminal
claim they could persue. I dont know what they
should do. This is one of those stories where
you probably hear a bunch of upfront stuff
that gets people outraged but you never hear the
followup [like the $20million jury award which
ends up being whittled down to $1.2m]. --psb
\_ can't you citizens arrest them?
\_ This largely depends on local statutes
and the circumstances. Generally, skipping
out on your bill is a petty larceny (unless
you're a dining at the Ritz). A private party
generally does not have the right to restrain
someone they suspect of this low level of
crime. If this person was detained against
their will and that detention was wrongful,
the detained party has a false imprisonment
or false arrest claim to which there is no
defense.
The restaurant's best bet for recovery is
in small claims ct under a breach of contract
theory.
\- dont you think if you were in the shoes
of the restaurant you would be more
interested in the dasher beinf punished
than getting your $30. if the da office
will take it [broken window theory], that's
what i would do. --psb
\_ I agree that I would prefer a
criminal conviction, but a DA will
probably not take the case b/c
he has no interest in wasting a
bunch of time to get a conviction
or plea bargain for a crime that
carries w/ it a max penalty of
$500 or so.
It would be much easier to show
up in Small Claims w/ the bill
and the name of the dude you
detained and ask for damages for
breach of contract. This would
be a 15 min deal.
\- yes but then you have to rely
on the sheriff or whoever to
enforce the $30 collection.
i doubt these people really care
about having a judgement against
them. maybe if something like that
can affect their credit it would
be worth it. in the economic pale
this is a non-starter. i assume
DAs offices spend some amount of
resources on "broken window" crimes,
and if this becomes high profile
[i.e. race card] that could work
in your favor or against [vandalism
to your restaurant]. --psb
\_ Hmmm.. Interesting. My question
remains, how is this different from
shoplifting? You mean the store cannot
stop me from walking out with their
merchandise without paying too? I don't
think that's the case but I don't see
the difference here.
\_ Generally, in order for a merchant to
detain a person suspected of a crime,
the crime must have been committed in
their immediate presence (watching a
crime on video counts). If the crime
is not witnessed by the merchant,
then they can still detain you but
they risk a false arrest/imprisonment
suit.
As an example, say that you go to Fry's
and you pick up a copy of Chaos Theory
put it in your backpack and try to
walk out the front door. Unless they
saw it all on video or a clerk saw
you give yourself the 5 finger
discount, the highlighter dude can't
stop you from walking out of the
store w/o risking a possible false
arrest suit.
\_ So you're telling me that there's no
legal basis for all detainments made
by store detectives for shoplifting? I
know there was some discussion about this
2-3 years back. -John
\_ If the Store Detectives did not
witness the shoplifting, then
the detention was probably not
valid. However, there are some
conditions under which there
might not have been any detention.
If the detective tells you to
stop you don't have to comply.
If he physically bars you from
leaving the store it can be a
false imprisonment. If he says
he is going to call the cops
if you leave, then that can
also be false imprisonment.
But if you can leave at any
time and you remain to clear
your name, then it is not
false imprisonment.
Also it can make a difference
if you are suspected of a
felony (grand larceny) vs
a misdemeanor (petty larceny).
\_ Thanks! I am gonna try that with a
PSP, isn't this country great! ;)
\_ Yup, this country is great for
lawyers.
\_ Before you do this, please
realize that if they choose
to detain you, they might
call the cops who can
arrest you for real. You
would not have an action
against the cops b/c they
acted under probable cause.
Note that the cops could
probably arrest you even
if you had proof (ie a
receipt) that no crime was
committed b/c it is not
the cops job to judge
the proof.
BTW does the PSP cost more
than $500? If so, suspicion
of swiping one would be a
Grand Larceny and you don't
want to go there.
\_ Yes and no. Police (in CA) aren't
empowered to arrest you for a
misdemeanor crime that they didn't
witness taking place. On the other
hand, if a citizen wishes to make
a citizen's arrest, they can sign
the 'citizen's arrest' form that the
peace officer has in his car. Of
course, if it turns out that the
accusation is false (and therefore a
false arrest) ALL the liability
falls on the person that signed the
form. If the cop is a good one,
he'll warn you if he thinks you're
making a mistake. So, be wary of
detaining someone, then signing
them into custody on the basis of a
citizen's arrest form -- if you
can't prove your case, you could
lose your shirt. -POC
\- look the law is more likely to
work in the case of serious
offenses and against people
\_ serious offenses? like, say,
felonies? felony !=
misdemeanor.
who are not "judgement proof"...
either because they have money,
they have informal or formal
reputations etc. this is even
more the case with "de minimus"
one shot economic stuff. what
ever happened with sloda'
LA vigilante who went after
the bus driver or whatever it
was. --psb
\_ reread, please. Police can
make an arrest for possible
felonies without being there
to witness the crime. it's
not very complicated. -POC
\- i'm talking about
pratical outcomes, not
what is theoretically
possible. after my car
was stolen the people
who stole it left a
time stamped receipt
for a jack in the box
drive thru where i am
sure they have a video
camera. i am also sure
the police have no interest
in pursuing this one i
got my car back. the above
was (clearly i thought)
a general comment on
minor minor crimes
[broken window]. --psb |
| 2005/3/11-12 [Recreation/Food/Alcohol, Recreation/Food] UID:36648 Activity:low |
3/11 What is the biggest, cleanest, nicest Korean market in the 415/510
area?
\_ The only good Korean Market that I know of near Berkeley is the
Koreana Plaza on Telegraph in Oakland. Just head south on
telegraph to around 45th or something. It's on the left.
http://www.eastbayexpress.com/issues/2005-03-02/food.html
-jrleek
\_ Second that. There's a hole-in-the-wall in El Cerrito but
Koreana (formerly Pusan) is pretty much it. They have all their
banchan boxed up, now, too, if you're squeamish. --ulysses
banchan boxed up, now, if you're squeamish. I have
opinions on their bulgoki, too. --ulysses
\_ The best thing of all, which I found out recently, is that
they're open 24 hours now. There's a Korean market in
SF/Daly City area off of John Daly blvd that looks pretty
big, but I haven't been inside.
\_ I like how they have guys who flag the drivers around the
parking lot as if the shoppers were landing 747s. |
| 2005/3/3-4 [Recreation/Food/Alcohol, Recreation/Food] UID:36503 Activity:high |
3/3 Steve Albini discusses food.
http://www.gourmandizer.com/ezine/albini
\_ Who is Steve Albini?
\_ the subject of the best Wesley Willis song ever
\_ Lead singer of Big Black (awesome band from Chicago, late 80's).
Graduated from singing to being a producer. Cool fr00d.
\_ I think you meant to say "really hoopy frood"
\_ He also currently has an on-again, off-again band called
Shellac. Highly recommended.
\_ "Here is a recipe anyone can use to make a wonderful Sauce
Mayonnaise: ..." That's soo cool. I'm gonna try that.
\_ I tried this recipe a while back... It wasn't bad but
is real mayonnaise supposed to taste like that?
I'm afraid I've been spoiled by Kraft.
\_ What did it taste like? Cream? A cross between Hollandaise
and cream(ie. texture and richness of hollandaise, w/o the
distinctive flavor?).
\_ Sorry, I'm sauce-illiterate wrt Hollandaise.
Texture was smoother than Kraft, flavor is dominated
by garlic/olive oil/lemon juice. i.e., I could identify
the component ingredients whereas with mayo, there's some
alchemy going on -- preservatives probably?
\_ You do realize that Best Foods/Hellman's is a more
authentic mayo than Kraft is, don't you? |
| 2005/2/23 [Recreation/Food/Alcohol] UID:36374 Activity:high |
2/23 Holy shit, this Sierra Nevada Bigfoot ale is strong.
\_ It's classified as a 'barleywine'. There are better and stronger.
\_ If you like barley wine, check out Stone's 2005 Old Guardian Ale
(it was available in Berkeley Bowl a couple of weeks ago but
given that it's a seasonal ale, it might not be available any
more..)
\_ I didn't know it existed. I thought it was just another beer
but after my head was swimming a bit after only half a bottle
I read the 9.6% alcohol on the label. The taste took getting
used to also. A pretty serious beer. Bigfoot is seasonal too
but apparently that season is now. I'll have to try some others.
\_ By the way, barley wine is one of the few types of beer
that can be stored for aging and drinking later. I heard
people say that SN Bigfoot is specially good once you age
it a bit (but I don't remember for how long, check
http://ratebeer.com if curious). |
| 2004/12/21-22 [Recreation/Food/Alcohol, Recreation/Food] UID:35386 Activity:moderate |
12/21 Dating advice for the week: DO NOT eat Edamame beans at the Japanese
restaurant! I had so much gas I farted several times. I don't think
I'm gonna see her again. ARGGGGG.
\_ You should learn the art of holding it.
\_ Or the art of letting it out silently.
\_ say "Please excuse me, I have to go to the Men's room"
\_ HAHA, that's hilarious. thanks for the advice, too!
\_ A likely story. It takes hours for farts to develop from eating soybeans.
You're probably just flatulent in general.
\_ He may be flatulent but you can't format properly. The penalty is
death! 80 columns!
\_ When I was in Japan, we ate edamame frequently, but only when
out drinking beer. They were the standard bar with-beer snack. I
think that the US appropriation as restaurant food is interesting.
Maybe you've discovered why they aren't restaurant food in Japan.
<snicker> |
| 2004/12/4-5 [Recreation/Food/Alcohol] UID:35174 Activity:insanely high |
12/4 Interested in killing time in Napa wine country to do some wine
tasting. Can someone recommend a good winery there? Thanks.
\_ Go to Sonoma. The Napa wine places are touristy dumps. Paying to
taste wine is a nazi war crime. -John
\_ We don't all have wineries pouring tastes of free
trockenberenauslese in our backyard.
\_ Doesn't wine cost money to make? It would make sense for
people to pay something to taste it, wouldn't it?
\_ It doesn't cost that much to make, but if there's a
market for it then the winery is losing the revenue they
could have had by selling it.
\_ Ask yourself the same question about web browsers.
\_ Ask yourself the same question about sampling ice cream at an ice
cream parlor.
\_ Civilized societies realize that wine tasting is a
prerequisite to getting you to buy wine. It is an investment
a vineyard makes as a kind of risk. You may try x kinds of
wine before you like one enough to buy a couple of bottles
of it. Imagine if dealerships charged you to test drive cars
or if you had to pay a buck every time you tried on a piece
of clothing... the whole "pay to taste" abomination comes
from changing wine tasting from a part of wine buying into
some sort weird-ass activity all by itself. It is about as
king lame as it gets. YMMV. -John
\_ Mmhmm. And all the places I buy food at let me taste
before I buy too. By the way, your analogies are false
because wine is consumable and cars and clothing are
at least semi-durable.
\_ I don't know how it works in the US, but showroom
cars here (the ones they use for test driving) are
usually sold every year here at a decent knock-off.
Furthermore, when I buy food, I either know what it
tastes like or don't care about the couple of bucks
I'd lose on it. Compare that to the ~$2k my gf and
I spend on wine every year--the guys we buy from know
that the loss from opening some bottles (which they can
then keep as samples for 2-3 days with good stoppers)
is less than the cost of losing my custom if they were
dicks about letting me taste it. That said, I can see
why the Napa guys charge, now that it's a tourist
activity. -John
\_ Moron, most grocery stores *do* have free samples
to taste when they get new stuff.
\_ No, they don't. But granted, food stores do
generally have a much larger product selection
than vineyards, so it would be logistically more
difficult.
\_ Foodstuffs of a given brand/type tend to have a
more consistent flavor & quality. And good food
stores very often do let you try out new items
or perishables. -John
\_ Napa wineries used to have free tasting but the change
is based (IMO) both on milking tourism AND the fact that
freeloader winetasting tours became too popular in
the Bay Area. Yes, it sucks. I blame people.
\_ I know a life of crime led me to this sorry fate...
but I blame society. Society made me what I am.
\_ There are lots of great wineries in both Napa and Sonoma. Yes,
you will have to pay at some. Wineries cannot pour $120 bottles
of wine to drunk tourists all day long for free. Usually you
can taste free if you are a serious drinker (e.g. make an
appointment or sometimes ask the right questions while tasting
and they will waive the fee). You should ask yourself if you
want an 'experience' or if you want great wine. The two are
often, but not always, exclusive. A good start would be for you
to name some wines/wineries that you like or are familiar with.
\_ I really don't know much about wines. I'm doing this to
learn more about it. It's kind of like the Lonely Planet vs.
Rick Steves approach to traveling. Lonely Planet is more of
a reference guide where if you've been the Europe before,
it would help you whereas Rick Steves simply plans everything
out for you assuming you know nothing. Everything I've found
on the Internet has resembled the Lonely Planet approach.
I guess I need something more dumbed down. I'm interested
more in the "experience" but would rather drink decent wines.
\_ Instead of the internet, check out some good books. At the
SF main library, many years ago, I found this incredibly
helpful book (it was kinda old even then) and it explained
about the names of the grapes, the types of woods used in
the barrels, etc. Actually, you could probably find out more
just by talking to the people pouring the wine at the
tastings (especially the older ppl).
\_ Why bother, it all tastes like crap anyway. It's all just
foo-foo bullshit that wineries make up so they can
differentiate and charge for what basically is a commodity
product. Like you are ever going to taste the difference
between a '57 v. a '58 Chardonay, give me a break.
\- there is a dramatic different between $5 and a $100
bottle of wine. that's pretty much objective. whether
the difference is worth $90, is a subjective Q, as is
whether you'd prefer a coke or water to the $100 bottle.
\_ The person above obviously doesn't like wine. People
*can* tell the difference. A sommelier is tested on
it. If you cannot tell the differences between a white
grand cru from Burgundy, a fine California chardonnay,
and jug wine made from 'chenin blanc' then your palate
is dead. To the OP: you are going to have to make some
choice here even if it is just red/white.
\_ With practice, I'm sure I could develop the ability
to differentiate between gasolines made at different
refineries around the world with different processes
in different years by smell also. It would still
taste and smell like shit. Whenever I meet an American
wine snob they turn out to be a pretentious asshole.
\_ So you don't like wine. BFD. I don't know why
you have to be so hateful about it. I don't
like men fucking my ass and yet if it works
for you then great.
\_ I've spent plenty of time around guys who like
ass-fucking, but none of them have ever said
the equivalent of, say, "If you cannot tell the
differences between a white grand cru from
Burgundy, a fine California chardonnay, and jug
wine made from 'chenin blanc' then your palate is
dead." I guess the equivalent would be to
imply that my cock doesn't really work since
I know nothing of the finer points of ass-fucking,
with the implication that I'm also uncultured
because of my ass fucking deficit. Yet I have
never heard that sort of elitist horseshit from
any of the ass fuckers I have ever known. Fuck
all wine snobs.
\_ You sound like someone in need of a good
ass fucking.
\_ That's not an elitist comment. Anyone with
with working tastebuds can tell the difference
between those wines, although I wouldn't
expect them to be able to tell which is which.
PP's comment, translated to condiments would
be "If you can't tell the difference between
ketchup, mustard and mayonaise, your palate is
dead." You seem to have a big chip on your
shoulder. Certainly there are big wine snobs
but just because someone knows and likes wine
that does not make them an elitist snob. -!pp
\_ I never said that liking wine or even
being an expert on wine made someone
an elitist snob. I said I hate wine snobs.
Past threads have shown that the motd
is full of dickhead culture snobs on
several subjects, including wine. I saw
an opportunity to tell them to fuck
off and I took it.
\_ I asked a question not long ago about
authentic Italian restaurants and you
(the real dickhead) accuse me of
being a culture snob. What I didn't
tell you was that I was asking for
my friends who are Italian who are
sick of "Italian restaurants" in
this country who want something
closer to their homeland. Instead
of going around accusing others of
being culture snobs, why don't you
provide some useful info.
\_ Well, I guess you've outed me as
a misanthrope. I loathe humanity,
and unless you're an AI that means
you. So fuck off.
\_ You know, from all the wine folk I've
met, it seems they're just about the
nicest people around. I've met far
more arrogant elitist snobs in the
sciences, business, and computers than
in enology.
\_ Correct usage of esoteric technical
word: +2 points. |
| 2004/11/24-26 [Reference/Celebration, Recreation/Food/Alcohol, Recreation/Food] UID:35062 Activity:moderate |
11/24 OK, I'm a WASP and I've only ever had Thanksgiving dinner with other
WASPs. What are some ethnic things other people like to have on
Thanksgiving? I'm kinda curious.
\_ "To serve man" -John
\_ Thanksgiving is not an Anglo thing. Just ask anyone from Great
Britian. :p It's a pure American holidy, and for the most part,
we don't do anything other than glad to have couple days off :p
\_ We have this dish called "turkey". It is a very big bird and
we prepare it by roasting it in an oven. We also have corn,
sometimes on the cobb, and there's always the smoked ham we
get from Costco. -williamc
\_ tamales.
\_ We WASCatholics do much the same thing, but then we drink.
\_ Well we put out the good wine on Thanksgiving. -opWASP
\_ From a bottle?
\_ with a cork!
\_ Twist off caps are going to be the hot thing soon
\_ oooh...
\_ Pff... 2 years ago we had a ~20 y.o. bottle of
Stag's Leap Cab. Sauv. -op
\_ Turducken. mmmmm
\_ I just heard about Turducken during a recent trip to Texas,
where are you from?
\_ My family is traditional w/ Thanksgiving, but Persian friends of
ours sometimes make a sweet walnut stew or sour cranberry rice.
Both seem somewhat Thanksgiving-compatible.
\_ See, this is the kind of thing I was asking about. -op
\_ My family is Chinese American. Just about the only thing
we do that's different is instead of stuffing (which we all
think is gross), we use sticky rice.
\_ Inside the turkey?
\_ Navajo. My parents make some food and we take it to the shelter
to feed most of the homeless people who live there. Sometimes
when it's a wasp guy, I think, "I bet this is what it felt like
back then." And then I think of my slaughtered people and spit
in their food when they're not looking. I did that alot when I
worked in a restaurant in high school.
\_ Geee! Now there's a mature attitude to take! Spitting
in someone's food plate, when you're there to help. Stupid
fucking moron. Oh yeah, I bet the guy whose plate you spat
on killed 100 indians, right? -non-WASP
\_ It was really mature of the white people to give Indians
nice warm blankets laced with small pox back in the day.
\_ Is this the first ever Native American race troll on the MOTD?
\_ As a WASP you must atone for your racist imperialist
history.
\_ My in-laws, who are Vietnamese, just eat normal Vietnamese food.
\_ Good to know, I'll be keeping my pets indoors today. |
| 2004/8/13 [Recreation/Food/Alcohol] UID:32884 Activity:kinda low |
8/12 R.I.P. Julia Child. Pour out some wine on the ground in respect.
\_ And of course, don't forget the optional heavy cream for added
richness.
\_ "A bit of cream at the end is a nourishing touch, but by no means
necessary." -- Julia Child from The Way to Cook |
| 2004/6/16 [Recreation/Activities, Recreation/Food/Alcohol, Recreation/Food] UID:30831 Activity:very high 66%like:34588 |
6/16 KISS MY ASS, LAKERS!!!
\_ Yah -- it made my day when the lakers went down in flames.
\_ No one cares. Sorry. Sports just aren't important. Have some
bread with your circuses.
\_ Speak for yourself, geekboy. How's that wedgie doing?
\_ How's the bread taste? Best circus I've seen since the
one last week! Pass me a beer and a joint!
\_ Bread? Dunno, don't watch the games. Don't smoke out
either, so you're on your own there, too, Mr. Pothead Dork.
I don't think you're as smart as you think you are.
Perhaps you'd better stick to EQ.
\_ thank you, NERFAMC
\_ Ok, so you drink, you don't get laid, can't identify
a bread product and watch a lot of sports. Big winner!
\_ heh, let's see: assumption, projection, assumption,
poor reading comprehension. 0/4. Big Winner! Keep
trying, Dorkie.
\_ *laugh* ok, how about this: you're anal, boring,
drink, don't get laid with women, watch a lot of
sports, like bread products and take it up the
ass from your boyfriend twice a week.
\_ I might take your moral superiority seriously if I thought you
were in the peace corps, or donating all your free time to a
non-profit, but in reality I'm sure you're just some geek into
videogames, comic books, and sci-fi who just doesn't like sports.
\_ What moral superiority? I never said I was better. I said
sports aren't important. Sorry, no vgs, cbs or sci-fi.
\_ The only thing better than watching the Lakers lose was watching
the Red Sox kick the Yankees' asses in New York. |
| 2004/6/15-16 [Recreation/Food/Alcohol, Politics/Domestic/President/Reagan] UID:30811 Activity:insanely high |
6/14 Even better than ketchup as vegetable, USDA declares that french fries
are a vegetable! Or is that Freedom Vegetables?
http://csua.org/u/7rs (yahoo news)
\_ it's like the Ents took a long time to decide something obvious
\_ Ketchup isn't a vegetable, it's a fruit.
\_ Look, a fruit bat!
\_ Eric the fruit bat?
\_ The USDA never said ketchup was a vegetable but it's up there with
Al Gore Invented The Internet jokes.
\_ They were considering classifying it as a vegetable for school
lunches. The fact that they even considered it is enough...
\_ 'They' consider all sorts of stupid things. I'll bet you
there are war plans on a dusty shelf in the pentagon somewhere
for what to do when Britain turns against us, invades Florida
and nukes the New York and Washington. Just because it was
considered doesn't mean anything. You take your government
way too seriously, IMO.
\_ Uh, the point was/is that governments suffer from
dilbertesque idiocy and lack common sense. I don't
see how you could grok that I "take government too
seriously" from that. Perhaps you are projecting...
I think it's rather sad that our tax money is being
wasted on studies such as "should ketchup be classified
as a vegetable." Apparently you don't. Perhaps you'd
like to pay for my share in all stupid studies, because
I'd certainly like a refund on my tax dollar.
\_ I think it's worse than sad. I think government is too
big and too stupid. I think our taxes should be 10% at
most and all the stupid programs, welfare, etc, should
go away. I also think it's a hopeless cause.
\_ read the cia's own account of the government conspiracy
to conceal the existence of extraterrestrials--even
in the absence of any such ETs existence:
http://www.cia.gov/csi/studies/97unclass/ufo.html
\_ Ok...? But what has this to do with ketchup, the
USDA and Al Gore's inventions?
\_ It's an example of government idiocy which may
appear somewhat sinister, but is really just
plain old idiocy. hence it supports what the post
one level up was saying, which was why i posted it.
\_ Ah, ok. Thanks. I'll check out the link when
I get home.
\_ But he DID!!!! Remember the information super-highway???
\_ Remember the Alamo!
\_ Wrong. The Reagan administation did propose classifying ketchup
as a vegetable until public outcry forced them to back down:
http://mimi.essortment.com/historyketchup_rlju.htm
\_ Why do you hate America?
\_ Yes yes some idiot always has to bring up some bullshit.
Move along. I was there. You were in diapers.
\_ obBothWaysUpHillThroughTheSnow
\_ Off topic, eh? I said you were ignorant, not that
my life was harder.
\_ wimp. we had to fight sabertooth tigers
for our lunch and access to the modem
pool. This being before fire, clubs or
dsl.
\_ tigers? you had tigers?! jeez, what kind of
goddamn wet behind the ears punks are they letting
in these days, anyway?
\_ This is accepted fact. Stop with your blatant attempts
at mythologizing.
\_ Accepted fact among your "thank god he's dead, I'm
going to rent Taxi Driver to celebrate" friends. The
rest of us remember the truth.
\_ Wow. You are truly deranged.
http://www.fact-index.com/k/ke/ketchup.html
\_ http://fact-index.com? uh huh.
\_ Wrong. Of course, this is the "liberal
Washington Post" so I am sure you will
discount it:
http://csua.org/u/7s6
\_ Discount it? Yes, but that's better than simply
deleting it instantly which is what you do when
I post links to back my statements. |
| 2004/4/12 [Recreation/Food/Alcohol, Recreation/Food] UID:13155 Activity:nil |
4/12 Motd restaurant review: Liaison Bistro, Berkeley
Decor was pleasant, if perhaps a little overwrought in its attempt to
recreate an authentic French bistro(t). Service was polite and
attentice, without being solicitous. Roast leg of lamb was excellent;
fairly strong sauce complemented the meat nicely without overpowering
it. Duck confit was very good. It was moist and flavorful. I would
have prefered some vegetables in the presentation. Marinated artichoke
was good and the presentation with citrus and fennel complemented well.
Sauteed spinach also good. Not too special but well done. Desserts
were mixed. Tarte tatin was good but not special. Side of rum raisin
gelato went well. Crust was a bit soggy. Poached pear was poached in
red wine, served with very rich vanilla ice cream and slice of puff
pastry. Topped with excellent dark chocolate sauce, which unfortunately
distracted from the rest of the dessert. Creme brulee had excellent
custard with a lot of vanilla, but the sugar was too thin so it didn't
form a stiff crust.
\_ hello tawei. learn to indent.
\_ I'm not tawei
\_ restaurant/movie reviews with no attribution are worthless.
\_ tawei hasn't logged in for a month
\_ I haven't eaten at Liason in over a year, but I recall it was quite
good. They had fresh oysters on the half shell as a specialty
appetizer which was excellent. Portions were niggardly (no that's
not a slur, look it up), but the meal was enjoyable nonetheless.
\_ Oh dans, you are so smart and manly, can I suck your
cock please? Pretty please with sugar on top?
\_ Geez, you're really hostile. You should work on that.
You'll forgive my defensiveness, but college professors
have been kicked off campuses because some reactionary
elements choose not to use dictionaries. In this case,
it was the right word.
-dans
\_ college professor? I thought it was some city
official on the right coast.
Personally, I prefer Gregoire on Cedar. The food is comparable to
that at Liaison, and, though not cheap, much more reasonably priced.
Decor is, however, nonexistent. -dans
\_ The portions seemed fine last night. Probably depends on what
you order.
\_ I'd believe that. As I said, I haven't eaten there in over a
year. A lot can change in a year. -dans
\_ So wait, Kinney's stuff is bad, but this excretion is ok?
\_ basically, kinney's stuff is much longer, and he is known for it.
personally I like his posts, though.
\_ me too. |
| 2004/3/21-22 [Recreation/Food/Alcohol] UID:12787 Activity:nil |
3/19 How many beer bottles are in a case of beer?
\_ 24?
\_ or 12
\_ it depends on how drunk I am.
\_ 12 bottles or 24 cans |
| 2004/3/5-6 [Recreation/Food/Alcohol, Recreation/Food] UID:12541 Activity:high |
3/5 Wired has an article about tracing meat (and all food) back to the
source, and mentions Niman ranch. Does anybody know more about this
place (eg, visited a supplier)? Is it a free range sort of operation?
http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/12.03/start.html?pg=2?tw=wn_tophead_8
\_ Niman is as politically correct as a meat-purveyor
can get without letting all its animals munch on grass. Chez
Panisse gets most of its meat from Niman, if that means anything.
\_ Is it really such a problem to let the animals walk around a bit
and... I don't know, sniff flowers, have sex with each other, do
what animals do? I'm not trying to sound like a smartass, I'm
\_ duh, it costs more money
just wondering if it's possible to get meat that was raised this
way, and how to find it.
\_ http://www.nimanranch.com
Before moving to meat-packing nirvana (Chicago), I'd get
grass-fed beef from Berkeley Bowl. The guys
Niman's grass-fed beef from Berkeley Bowl. The guys
behind the meat counter would be kind enough to give
me detailed directions for cooking (temp not as high,
time not as long). The Wednesday food section of http://sfgate.com
has featured many articles on beef sources. Do a search
for "grass-fed" in its archives. -elizp
\_ what brought you to chicago?
\_ My husband (login: fab -- yes, we're yet another
pair of csua breeders) was a UChicago grad student
while I taught at DePaul. -elizp
\_ oh, I took a class at DePaul last year, and am
thinking of a part-time MBA at UChicago.
me detailed directions for cooking (temp not as high,
time not as long). -elizp
for "grass-fed" in its archives. -elizp
while I taught at DePaul. -elizp
What's fab studying at UC?
\_ Walk around: Pigs and cows can do this already. They're not
the most athletic animals, though.
Sniff flowers: They are penned in high-enough densities that
flowers get trampled. For there to be non-trampled flowers,
they'd have to be kept in a large area, like rangeland. That
costs $$. Have sex? No way. They are selectively bred.
If they were allowed to breed randomly, you'd get traits that
are undesireable in a food animal. Plus they are usually
sterilized and/or segregated so they won't fight. Would it
really make sense to have bulls or roosters fighting all day? |
| 2004/1/21 [Recreation/Food/Alcohol, Recreation/Food] UID:11858 Activity:nil |
1/20 I'm gonna be in San Diego for a weekend. Can anyone recommend anything
cool to do or see (other than the SD zoo)? Thanks.
\_ go to the movies? read a book? seriously, though.
the Wild Animal Park out in north county is pretty neat. much
different feel from an ordinary zoo. sea world is pretty much
one big advertisement for anheiser busch. but, it's there.
old town. pretty touristy. good mexican food. there. eat
good mexican food. even the most run-down ro(x)berto's will
have better mexican food than most places up here. stay away
from mission bay park. it's nasty. go to belmont park, wander
the boardwalk. coffeeshops have a much different vibe down there,
are actual interesting hang-outs. pacific beach has a bunch of
them. claire de lune in... mission hills?... is also pretty
nice, they have a lot of open mics and poetry nights. la jolla
cove is a nice place to swim. there are good bookstores on adams
avenue, around the ken theatre. i haven't been there since i was
a kid, but seaport village used to be fun. way back when.
unfortunately, the best part was a fish and chips place which
has since closed. maybe very bleak or very touristy, but who knows?
maybe it still has class.
\_Boy, you almost make me wish I was going to San Diego. Can you do
this for other cities? If I had known that the motd was a travel
guide too, I would have asked it lots of stuff before. Is there
anything the motd CAN'T do? (besides ignoring trolls?)
\_ You missed the two best walking neighborhoods in San Diego:
Gaslamp District and Hillcrest. Hillcrest has lots of coffee
shops and cafes and Downtown has tapas bars and Croce's, a Jazz
joint. The Downtown Mall is a trippy place. The Elephant
Bar is La Jolla is fun. Lots of dance places in Pacific
Beach, they come and go all the time, so I can't recommend
any specific one.
\_ Isn't Old Town the same thing as the Gas Lamp? I was just
in Coronado this weekend and had a good time there. La Jolla
is another favorite.
\_ No, Old Town is near the airport and Gas Lamp is downtown.
\_ punany in tihhhhaaaajuana
\_ if you can't get it at berkeley you can't get it in tj. once
you figured out how to get it here you can get it anywhere.
it's all the same.
\_ Yeah, that's how I felt about your mom.
\_ You can't afford my mom.
\_ Go see if there are hot chicks at UCSD?
\_ If you like good beer, visit Stone Brewing Co.
\_ In an industrial park in San Marcos, North County, my home
town. On the way to/from the Wild Animal Park. --erikred |
| 2003/12/28-30 [Recreation/Food/Alcohol, Recreation/Food] UID:11601 Activity:high |
12/28 A La Carte Restaurant on Dwight near Sacramento: Been there? Any
good? Still open?
\_ I have been living there for three years. Never heard of that one
before. The two restaurants I know there are "Breads of India" and
"Mehak Cusine", both Indian. The later is pretty good but I haven't
been at "Breads of India" yet.
\- Breads of India is often described by white people as
"a good and cheap hole in the wall". the most true part
of that description is "hole in the wall". you can look
for my "cognitive dissonance theory of BoI" on ba.food.
I didnt think A La Carte was anything special then again/that
is why I havent been there for +1yr. --psb
\_ I've never understood why race somehow gives one credentials
to judge food. I don't go to a restraunt to study what
authentic cuisine some some culture or another is, I go
there to eat.
\_ You can bring a whore to culture, but you can't
make her think.
\_ was that your idea of 'deep though'? keep at it.
\- it's not a matter of judging authenticity in this case.
in fact authetnticity is BoI's strong point to some
extent. but going to an indian restaurant is a different
experience for "white people" than someone who grew up
eating indian food. i am sure dim sum is a different
experience for someone who gre up in HKG vs someone
who never went to dimsum until they moved to califonria
from the midwest to do their master's degree. e.g. it
doesnt bother my HKG associate to yell across the
restaurant in cantonese to get a water refill, while
whitey or psb might consider that bad service.
i'll give you one funny example: the last 3-4 times i
have ordered a mango lassi in the evening, it has been
spoiled. this is really obvious ... it's like drinking
sour milk. i have never seen a white person complain
about this. also white people and indian people have
different "population distribution properties" in terms
of hotness. etc. --psb
\_ there are so many idiotic aspects to your blather
i don't know where to start so i'll stick with a minor
one. It's funny how your definition of white is
"not from india". I had no idea there were so many
white people in China and Africa.
\- by "white people" i actually meant people not from
india, pakistan, sri lanka, pela, bhutan, sikkim
and afganistan and not a uighur. --psb
\_ Partha, you are one hot Indian. I've thought so
for many years, you neo-hindu-con hottie!!
\_ Hey partha can you write up an essay on the food
preferences of other people, too? Did you start that
ba.food about black people and watermelon? That was
a classic! Oh yeah, like you, I also have black friends
so it's ok, right?
\- how long did you have to rub your two neurons
together to come up with that? --psb
\_ racism is as racism does (or posts threads). your
post was really sickening.
\_ Seconded. Painful to read and psb should know
better.
\_ I pity the liberalPC-on-the-brain fool who mistakes
factual honesty with racism.
\_ I'll bet you have a black friend, too.
\- do black people like cheeseboard? --psb
\_ Partha, it sounds like you've been to A La Carte. Do you
know if it still exists? I'm looking for a cajun/creole
fix, and the rabbit at Gingerbread House still has pellets
in it. --op
\- i was forced to go to the gingerbread house ...
i dont think it does well in price/performance.
but then again i dont like the complicated cajun/creole
dishes. you should have gone to gravy's while they were
still around. soul bros kitchen might still have alligator
on the menu. [not that exciting]. --psb
\_ It should be noted, however, that alligator does not,
in fact, taste like chicken. It tastes like fish.
\_ Best dish I had in New Orleans: shrimp and alligator
sausage cheesecake at Jacque-Imo's.
\_ That would make my taste-buds explode.
\_ What's a "sausage cheesecake"? I'm having trouble
with the visual.
\_ It was kind of like quiche, actually.
\_ The Gingerbread House is crap. Sadly, pickings for
cajun/creole are slim around here. Tropix on Piedmont
Ave. is okay though. And I think Soul Brothers Kitchen is
now an Ethiopian restaurant. --chris
\_ We ended up going to Tropix. It was exquisite. My
wife had the gumbo, and I had the jerk chicken, and
we were both well contented. And while I'm not usually
partial to beer cocktails, their Bul was the perfect
drink to go along with the spicy food. We have a new
favorite place to take visitors. --op
\_ Glad you enjoyed Tropix. My husband is from
Louisiana, it's the only place he feels has
"decent" cajun/creole around here. We have had
better, but it has all been in the South. --chris |
| 2003/12/22-23 [Recreation/Food/Alcohol, Recreation/Food] UID:11562 Activity:high |
12/21 I want to buy some really nice fancy chocolate; what's a good place
in SF? Other than Godiva, Ghiradelli. Like the fancy chocolate place
they went to in NYC in Queer Eye.
\_ support small businesses http://www.prestonscandy.com
has been in Burlingame for over 50 years and is GREAT candy.
\_ If you can mail order, http://www.teuscher.com -John
\_ Go to Neiman Marcus, top floor. Ask for "La Maison Du Chocolat."
By far the best chocolate you've ever tasted, if you're in luck.
It often sells out VERY Quickly. Although, I believe the
boutique store in NY may ship if you desire. In that case,
just google, and look for the NY store(upper East side, iirc).
They might sell directly online, but that would be from Paris.
If it's too $$ or not fast enough, Neuhaus is _far_ better Belgium
than Godiva is. I believe Macy's cellar has Neuhaus. But I
would go with LMDC first, if possible. -nivra
\_ Other than fancy packaging and European, are they really any
better than America's own See's Candy?
\_ I've got to assume this is a troll. Ugh.
\_ Is there a difference between a Tootsie Roll and See's?
\_ Silly customer. You cannot harm the Twinkie.
\_ No one ever claimed the TR was made of chocolate.
\_ In a word, yes.
\_ In another word, wax.
\_ I didn't realize that anyone local sold La Maison Du Chocolat; it's
\- this is a real name and
not a joke ... like say
the fine purveyors of
"crunchy frog"?
yes, real name. surprised _/
you haven't come across their
stores while in paris. would not
be surprised if the name is "la maison
du chocolat" from when they were
in fact the house of chocolate.
personally not particularly fond of
their chocolates. usually buy from
madame de sevigny instead if i'm in
the pricey-chocolate-for-the-woman
mood. obtw, thanks for pointer to
nils. didn't visit the outlet with the
hot blonde, but they made still quite
good sandwiches at another location.
\- did you have the reindeer sandwich?
[this isnt xmas trolling ... that
is what i had]. the best sandwich
in paris ... in fact the best swich
i ever had in my life is at
le regency bar at the prince des
galles in the 8ieme. not cheep--psb
the one time i set out to find le _/
regency on your recommendation, i did not
realize it was in prince de galles, so i
could not find the restaurant even after
walking the length of georges v. i have not
had the time to repeat the quest the other
times i've been in paris since. - tse, obtw
oh and all of your names
are being filed away for
death when the revolution
comes --psb
\-Advisory for Garvitch:
A fun paris food guide for Paris
is E. Rubin: Gourmet Paris. For a
longer stay, P. Wells: Food Lover's
Guide to Paris. Other good s'wich
locations are Cosi on R. Seine 6e,
and (IAOC) La Maison du Cassoulet
[I am not making that up] on R. Mont-
orguil in 1er --psb
the best I've found. I usually order online from their store in
New York. Since it is their policy to only ship via next day air,
it won't take long to receive (though that does add significantly
to the cost). I'd suggest you start with their plain truffles.
If you're intent on something that originated in SF, I've heard
good things about XOX Truffles. Lots of people seem to like
Joseph Schmidt's chocolates, but I've never cared for them.
- alawrenc
\_ let me just say Herschey's Pot of Gold sucks.
\_ The Candy Jar, in SF. Their stuff gets resold at places like
Nordstroms. Good stuff. You can drop by their factory store
and pick up either the pretty packaged boxes or you can get a
box of assorted seconds that taste just as good. Give them a
ring to check hours and such. --Jon
The Candy Jar Inc
2065 Oakdale Ave
San Francisco, CA 94124-2040
Phone: (415) 550-8846
\_ has anyone tried cabaret chocolates? Were they good?
http://www.cabaretchocolates.com
\_ Depends on your idea of chocolate and your wallet. Some BA makers:
http://www.xoxtruffles.com (SF) sells fresh traditional European-style
flavored truffles (small irregular balls rolled in cocoa dust).
http://www.jschmidtconfections.com (SF) sells fresh American truffles
(chocolate shell, flavoring inside).
http://www.scharffen-berger.com (BRK) specializes in dark chocolate bars.
http://www.cabaretchocolates.com (OAK) are dark chocolate candies (not as
dense as bars).
The latter three can be found at The Candy Store on College,
near Clarmont (across from the Safeway). The first can be found
in SF but I do remember seeing a reseller on 4th St. next to Peets.
Note that much of this stuff is the deeper dark chocolate flavor
with less sugar involved. Your tastebuds may disagree. My family is
partial to the XOX truffles...
\_Scharffen-Berger is great...if your areever in Berkeley go on
their factory tour (about an hour and free). Their chocolate
is more like chocolate for wine lovers...very rich/complex.
\_ I second this. I've tasted a hell of a lot of the world's
chocolate and there is not much better than Scharffen-Berger,
domestic or otherwise. They don't do much by way of chocolates
though - just the pure chocolate. -- ulysses
\_ Thirded. Scharffen-Berger is awesome. Kudos to mconst for
first pointing it out to me. -- ilyas
\_One of the best chocolatiers I know is Bernard Callebaut, originally
from Canada. They used to have a store in SF, but closed because of
no publicity. http://www.bernardcallebaut.com Pricey, though.
\_ Valrhona and Callebaut are widely considered to be the best
two chocolates in the world. Valrhona leads all chocolate in
percentage of cocoa used (over 80% by weight).
\_ Scharffen-Berger has a 99% one.
\_ Unsweetened, of course, and for baking not for consumption
as a treat.
\_ I ve eaten it before.
\_ None of these places hold a candle to Le Chat Bleu, an artisan
chocolate maker on the Belgian-French border.
chocolate maker on the Belgian-French border. Famous all over
France for having the best hand made chocolate.
\_ It's fucking French, dude. You don't go to France for
chocolate, you go there for cheese. Schober & Teuscher
in Zurich is IT. -John
\_ This report link from XOX says it's merely "acceptable":
http://www.xoxtruffles.com/press/press15.htm
\- does anyone else think "Leonidas" is a
\_ This report link from XOX says it's merely "acceptable":
http://www.xoxtruffles.com/press/press15.htm
pretty weird name choice for a putative
high end chocolate? --psb
\_ It's Spartan, but delicious!
See the lists on the bottom. I thought you go to Zurich
chocolate, you go there for cheese. Schober & Teuscher
\_ Don't be a hater.
chocolate maker on the Belgian-French border. Famous all over
France for having the best hand made chocolate.
in Zurich is IT. -John
See the lists on the bottom. I thought you go to Zurich
for bank accounts and watches?
for bank accounts and watches?
\_ Guns too.
\_ Guns too.
\_ This list is the "Greatest Chocolates in America". I
am not sure what that means except that it excludes
a lot of superior European chocolate.
\_ Freshness, availability, cost of transport, and
perhaps some bit of nationalism.
\_ Yermom's famous all over France, too.
\_ Don't be a hater. |
| 2003/11/10-11 [Recreation/Food/Alcohol] UID:11010 Activity:high |
11/10 I'm bringing a Triple Rock beer ball tonight. What do you prefer?
\_ Is the beer ball an object or an event?
\_ err ok in english: I am bringing a box of beer to the csua bbq
Bug Juice: 01 |
| 2003/8/5 [Recreation/Food/Alcohol, Recreation/Food] UID:29233 Activity:very high |
8/4 What sort of food will change the color of various body fluids?
\_ if you eat enough of 'em beets'll turn pee pink
\_ Certain vitamin supplements make urine green.
\_ if you eat enough of 'em beets'll turn pee pink
\_ Asparigus makes it stinky. Vitamin C makes it REALLY yellow.
\_ b12 makes it almost orange it is so yellow.
\_ Enough wine will make your spit turn purple.
\_ cantaloupe will turn your shit green, blueberries -> blue
\_ and beets will make you convinced you are shitting blood
\_ I don't know about color, but last time I ate really hot
buffalo wings, my penis stings when I pee. Only time that
happened even though I ate spicy stuff all my life.
\_ that wasn't the food. that's an STD. get to a clinic.
\_ And for something men will prolly want to try
http://boom.net/aw?atJM
\_ Just eat lots of pineapple and don't smoke. Rumor has it
being vegan helps too, but I've never tested that one out. -aspo
\_ that's just wishful thinking, look at your teeth, do you
think man was meant to be a vegan? |
| 2003/6/12-13 [Recreation/Food/Alcohol, Recreation/Food] UID:28717 Activity:very high |
6/12 Goddammit, quitting caffeine (again) sucks. How the hell did I do
it the last time, and how do I stay awake in the meantime? --erikred
\_ Don't go cold turkey.
\_ Too late. And now I'm a cranky bastard. --erikred
\_ You *have* to. You can't slowly cut down. It never works.
\_ How do people get addicted to caffeine? I used to have coffee
and/or soda daily, but one day I just stopped, and I never really
felt anything different. Was I not drinking enough?
\_ Soda daily is not as likely to cause addiction. Two cups of
coffee per day is much more likely. I got addicted when I
started teaching (from zero to two cups per _morning_ in
nothing flat). Also see:
http://home.howstuffworks.com/caffeine.htm and
http://home.howstuffworks.com/question480.htm
\_ Ah ok. You take it all at once. If I do drink more than one
cup, it's usually hours apart.
\_ If you drink coffee, you've got a caffeine addiction. Try
stopping and see how shitty you feel. Either that or
you're getting it from somewhere else like massive amounts
of chocolate.
\_ Is this the same dumbass who said "no one drinks coffee
for the taste"?
\_ Not necessarily. I went on vacation for two weeks and
never had a sip of coffee or soda and didn't feel any
side effects. And I despise chocolate and most sweets.
\_ Is this the dumbass who said "no one drinks coffee for
the taste"? Get a life...
\_ No and you've added nothing to this thread. Thanks
for nothing.
\_ Why are you quitting? If you want to zip thru the morning, eat
half a melon for breakfast. Avoid carbs for lunch. If you crash
in the evening, have a small cup of coffee to get you thru the
last hours.
\_ what does a melon do for helping you zip through the morning?
Or are you just talking gastrointestinally?
\_ Well, carbs are one form of brain food. Unfortunately, refined
sugars zip in and then out of you too quickly, i.e. they pick
pick you up, but then let you crash too quick. The carbs in
fruit, like a melon, seems to be more time-released. So, at
least for me, my thought processes and productivity were pretty
incredible during the mornings. A low-carbo lunch helps to
avoid having (or feeling) to take a nap in the afternoon.
\_ Well, carbs are one form of brain food. Unfortunately,
refined sugars zip in and then out of you too quickly,
i.e. they pick pick you up, but then let you crash too
quick. The carbs in fruit, like a melon, seems to be more
time-released. So, at least for me, my thought processes
and productivity were pretty incredible during the
mornings. A low-carbo lunch helps to avoid having (or
feeling) to take a nap in the afternoon. [corrected wrap]
\_ Yeah like I would just make sure to take the final using
the same drugs I studied on and it puts me in the same
state of mind!
\_ you are an idiot. -phuqm
\_ Oh, thank you, guru! Tell me how else to fix my miserable
life through your, populist/hippie/newage/media-hyped
anecdote-driven, "nutritionalist" nonsense.
\_ Believing it works is half the battle.
\_ Why not just use crack? If you're going to be a drug addict,
just do it right and stop playing around like a baby.
\_ Wimp. Just fucking stop.
\_ Oh, thank you, guru! Tell me how else to fix my miserable
life through your tough-love method.
\_ Kill yourself.
\_ Would that prove that I'm hardcore?
\_ It would improve your life. Proof is for the weak.
\_ I've quit coffee a couple times, once was at the start of summer
vacation, i had nothing to do and was too lazy to buy and make it
for myself, (it was easy at the co-op) so i just quit. I had a
headache for three days/nights straight, but then i was over it.
The last time i quit i was working and the cold turkey thang was not
an option. I did the gradual thing and it worked fine. for the
first week or so i allowed myself one cup in the morning and then
all the black tea i could drink. Then i went to just all the black
tea i can drink, now i pretty much drink nothing but green-tea.
I never had a headache, but i had desperate cravings for coffee,
much worse than any i experienced when i quit cold (because i
was at work, and I haven't had a job/school without chain drinking
coffee since i was about 14). -phuqm
\_ be a slave to your drug of choice!
\_ I'm a slave to both my drugs of choice (caffeine and alcohol)
but if i believe the populist-hippie-newage "nutritionalistis"
like the one above then, hey, that's o.k. because green tea
is good for me, so the 8 cups or so a day i drink are helping
me stay healthy. -phuqm
\_ Rice and green tea and living atop a mountain spinning
prayer wheels and humming all day while mastering Bruce
Lee moves will keep you healthy and young forever.
\_ This is cool, phuqm, but I'm trying to quit caffeine, not
just coffee. Sure, I'll still drink decaf (3-4mgs I can
handle), but switching from coffee to green tea is like
switching from crack to cocaine-- I don't just want to
trade masters. ok, thnx --erikred |
| 2003/5/18-19 [Recreation/Food/Alcohol] UID:28480 Activity:very high |
5/18 Any recommendations for where we can take wine-tasting classes?
Bay-area location.
\_ Stanford has such classes. The pompous dickhead I work with who
went there won't shut up about it. Fuck you and your spoiled
grape juice.
\_ If he was truly pompous he'd say how terrible the class was and
point out all the instructor's errors and bad taste.
\_ You need a class to drink wine?
or men that way.
\_ Why bother? Do some reading up on basic grape types and drink what
you like. -John
\_ Well, I suppose that you could meet somewhat affluent women
or men that way. [formatd]
\_ If you're playing host to educated people, it's nice to be
able to order wine without looking like an ass.
\_ Uhm gee, I'm educated but I know nothing about wine. I
guess that Berkeley degree wasn't really worth anything
since I didn't take the student run wine drinking class.
\_ If you're host to truly educated people, you will look
like more of an ass if you try to be pretentious and show
off how knowledgeable you are about something as silly as
wines--trust me on this one. Order what you are
\_ Sure you are not gay?
comfortable with from experience, and for god's sake, I
don't know what problem people have with ASKING THE
SOMMELIER. That's what he's there for. Or someone else
at the table if you're not sure or he recommends the most
expensive bottle (which isn't always the best.) It does
not show your ignorance--I find self-proclaimed "experts"
who grab the wine list while your group is ordering to be
pretty insufferable. -John
\_ Hmm. That's pretty decent advice, actually.
\_ I find idiots who don't drink wine at all with
their meal or who have a problem with me checking
out the wine list to be insufferable. A great meal
deserves a great wine. I agree that asking the
sommelier is a good thing, though. Many people never
speak to the sommelier and he can be a great help.
Sommeliers are more helpful the more you know, though,
so it's a Catch 22. Tell the sommelier your price
range, what you are eating, and what you've had
that you like. That will help. --dim
\_ You find it insufferable that others don't drink wine
with their meals? There are numerous reasons to not
drink wine such as: religion, recovering, or you just
don't like it. I find your attitude insufferable!
\_ I find the fact you find it insufferable
insufferable. If you don't drink wine you are
a heathen unless there is a medical excuse. --dim
\_ that depends on what your definition of educated is.
\_ Who are you, Jesse Jackson?? Use a frickin'
dictionary.
\_ A dictionary, huh? According to the
dictionary definition, I and most of my friends
are *very* well educated. Yet somehow neither
I nor anyone I can stand to be around is a wine
snob. Because wine snobs are assholes. Some
of them are well-educated assholes, and some of
them are just assholes. But they are assholes
nonetheless. I'll bet you think golf and
sailing are sports.
\_ Nope. Not sports. But at least I know how
to use a dictionary.
\_ % dict asshole
\_ % dict dictionary
\_ It's useful to have some guidance. There are so many
wineries from different countries at different price points
making wines with different grapes in different styles. A
good wine shop might be a useful first start. Kermit Lynch
in Berkeley is a good wine shop. Ask there. Also, you have
a huge benefit in being near to Napa/Sonoma and environs so
you can go taste on your own, although you won't learn much
unless you schedule an appointment and go on a tour. --dim
\_ Sure you are not gay? Try the castro.
\_ Try UC Extension.
\- Barrier to entry on california wines is about 30 min.
Barrier to entry on french is like 10 years. I think it is
reasonable to read something like the Wine-Dummy book and
find out what the various grapes are, since CA wines pretty
much tell you and the book will give you some sense of
how they "map" to french regions. I think after about
30 min, diminishing marginal returns set in. --psb
\_ Can't I just order a 7UP and just enjoy my meal?
\_ Just order Italian Dolcettos - honest, affordable and tastes
good. |
| 2003/5/1-2 [Recreation/Food/Alcohol, Recreation/Food] UID:28290 Activity:very high |
5/1 http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/05/01/farm.salmon.ap/index.html Now that I'm a vegetarian, I don't have to deal with BS like this. Best of luck to you meat eaters. -happy vegan \_ No, you get to deal with BS like the Organic Food mis- labelling legislation. labelling legislation. Lucky you. \_ Are you vegan or vegetarian? You know they color cheese too, right? Do you have to worry about your protein? -happy omnivore \_ they aslo color butter, not sure about Margarine. Natural butter is actually semi-transparent (like solidified oil as it should be) most of the time. \_ I'm vegan. I don't drink milk or eat cheese or eat eggs. No animal products. If you want to find out more, I strongly recommend John Robbins' Diet for a New America and The food revolution. -OP \_ How come all the veggie people look so unhealthy? \_ too bad veganism doesn't include knowing how to format motd posts correctly. \_ I'm a level 7 vegan. I don't eat anything that casts a shadow. \_ Level _FIVE_. Level _FIVE_ Vegan! You suck. \_ sorry \_ Is that like +7 Charisma? \_ as an omnivore I refuse to eat dyed cheese. Also the whole vegetarians need to worry about protein thing is pretty much a myth. \_ Vegetables and fruits have natural coloring in them. \_ ... and these colorings can often be used to roughly gauge the health or flavorfullness of a fruit or vegetable. dying farm-raised salmon so that is appears more "natural" just seems gross... not to mention deceitful on a certain level \_ Farming salmon seems like a responsible thing. No one would eat it if it was gray, but there's nothing wrong with it. --dim \_ There are problems and a great deal of research about it, particularly at UW School of Fisheries. The jury is still out. Nutrient loading down-gradient from the farms has been a particular issue as well as some concerns about escapees. \_ agreed. \_ You know, there's a reason why americans are so fat and sick. It's all about the food. You eat too much and also there's too much processed and packaged and "ready-to-eat" meals. If we all go back to our roots and start cooking from fresh ingredients again, we wouldn't be in this health crisis. -OP \_ Go back to our roots? You understand that almost everything in the market comes from another continent, right? That if we went back to our roots, there'd be nothing in CA to eat except fish and acorns and we're all outta fish! \_ BUZZ! Much of the produce you eat is grown in CA. Same with a lot of the meat and poultry if you buy decent quality meat. \_ Good try but only to a small degree and to zero for the more exotic items littering the typical veggie diet. \_ How is farming salmon any worse than you buying your veggies and lentil beans at Berkeley Bowl? You're still buying goods that have been prepared and shipped to you. \_ That's why I eat wild salmon. I've heard that the wild salmon who feed on plankton are more nutritious anyway. \_ Yeah! Support the wild salmon industry! -former salmon fisherman \_ Vegans are great, especially marinated with a red wine sauce and some vegetables on the side. (gotta love that corn fed beef). \_ Kids are better. Still soft and tender. So yummy! Not all stringy and fibrous like a vegan. \_ Damn it, you guys are making me hungry. |
| 2003/3/2-3 [Recreation/Food, Recreation/Food/Alcohol] UID:27581 Activity:insanely high |
3/2 Restuarant Review: Athithi on Haste. Great vegetarian indian
food. The samosas and vegetables squares with chutney were
superb appetizers. Also tried cream of wheat with veggies
(excellent) and lentil pancake (not bad). All this stuff fed
two people for $11.00
\_ wait, isn't Athithi on Dwight at Telegraph?
\_ Where can I find an Indian restaurant that does beef? Cow
tastes good, would be better with some of their sauces.
\_ learn how to cook and make it yourself pathetic boy.
\_ Who says I don't? But good restaurants do a better job
\_ Why does a brother got to sign his name? I don't know, there
seems to be some arrogance about those who always sign their names
It is like saying, "Oh what i'm saying is so great and smart, i'll
sign it and flaunt my great knowledge of books, movies, computers,
wine, politics, etc." see tom, psb, etc etc
than I, and it's worth my $$ to save my time.
\_ Why not sign your name to this? Are you afraid of being sued?
or are you a family member of the owner? --PeterM
\_ Habit. Neither. -- mjm (op)
\_ Why duz some broda' gots'ta sign his dojigger? ah'
duzn't know, dere seems t'be some arrogance about
dose who always sign deir dojiggers It be likes sayin',
"Oh whut i'm sayin' be so great and smart, i'll sign
it and flaunt mah' great knowledge uh scribblin's,
movies, clunkers, wine, politics, etc." see tom, psb,
etc etc
\_ In this case, I asked the guy his name because now he can
be emailed follow-up questions, and people who know his taste
in food sucks or rules can weigh it accordingly. --PM
\_ you prefer people who think what they're saying is
so pathetic and idiotic they won't sign their name to it?
-tom
\_ I prefer that it not be an issue at all. -- someone else
\_ of course it's an issue. there's a value to knowing
the source of a comment. -tom
\_ not "of course". not when some people put more
\_ You're right, there is that tendency among a few.
But fortunately, it continues to be the case that no one's
forcing you to sign your name.
value on the source of a comment than the text
of the comment looking to start a flame fest.
\_ the opposite is much more true; trolls
posting inflammatory garbage that would
be ignored if it were attributed. -tom
\_ I beg to disagree. You sign 3/4s of the
time and people (like me, duh) still
reply to you for some reason. Drat. I
just realized I've been trolled! ack!
\_ who's preventin' de motd fum becomin' cliqueish
\_ So you are flatulent? |
| 2003/1/30 [Recreation/Food/Alcohol] UID:27243 Activity:nil 63%like:27239 |
1/29 What's de difference between edyl alcohol and isopropyl alcohol? I
went t'a drug sto'e and saw products labeled "70% edyl alcohol",
"70% isopropyl alcohol" and "91% isopropyl alcohol". ah' plum wants'
sump'n t'wipe da damn skin befo'e some needle injecshun. (No it be not
drugs.)
\_ use edyl. it be sump'n ya' kin actually drink. it be safer.
\_ blindness be cool.
\_ If ya' duzn't know Buckwheat shit, den, shut da damn fuck up.
de one dat cause blindness be Medanol. CH3OH
\_ isopropyl be used as some disinfectant.
\_ Edyl=CH3-CH2-OH, Isopropyl alcohol=(CH3)3-C-OH
\_ Use hyodrogen puh'oxide. What it is, Mama! Wo'ked on mah' fro. |
| 2003/1/29-30 [Recreation/Food/Alcohol] UID:27239 Activity:high 63%like:27243 |
1/29 What's the difference between ethyl alcohol and isopropyl alcohol? I
went to a drug store and saw products labeled "70% ethyl alcohol",
"70% isopropyl alcohol" and "91% isopropyl alcohol". I just want
something to wipe the skin before a needle injection. (No it's not
drugs.)
\_ use ethyl. it's something you can actually drink. it's safer.
\_ blindness is cool.
\_ isopropyl is used as a disinfectant.
\_ Ethyl=CH3-CH2-OH, Isopropyl alcohol=(CH3)3-C-OH
\_ Use hyodrogen peroxide. Worked on my hair! |
| 2002/11/25 [Recreation/Food/Alcohol, Recreation/Food] UID:26625 Activity:low |
11/25 Anyone got a url to a photo of the Far Side cartoon,
top half of the panel, nerd is sitting in bed, thinking
'Does she like me? Does she like me? Does she like
me a lot? Does she like me more than I like her? Does she?
Huh? HUH?' and the bottom panel has the girl sitting
in bed thinking "I wonder if I like ice cream?'.
It's "You know, I think I really like vanilla."
or something like that. -ax
http://www.gibberish.com/tales/101296.html |
| 2002/11/14 [Recreation/Dating, Recreation/Food/Alcohol] UID:26537 Activity:very high |
11/13 Trivia: Anybody know any references to "angel in disguise"? It could
be from music, TV, movies, just about all media. Chick offered me
dinner if I could tell her where it's from. Please help, MOTD!
\_ It's likely a bible reference lifted directly from the text.
\_ are you incapable of using google?
\_ I've Googled and STFW, but wanted to cull the collective
consciense of the CSUA. Google found Brandy songs, but that's
probably not it.
\_ http://us.imdb.com/Title?0041124
http://www.altavista.com/web/results?q=%22angels+in+disguise \
%22&kgs=0&kls=1&avkw=qtrp -John
\_ I've heard of devil in disguise
\- er is it likelt to be pop trivia or something obscure/literary.
assuming the former, probably an ELVIS reference. --psb
\_ Her big hint: elizabeth shue, angel in disguise -OP help!
\- it is a leaving las vegas thing then.
i recommend asking "isnt E. Shue the chick who played
the skanky ho who was sodomized in LLV?"
Which brings us back to ELVIS. --psb
p.s. are you an alcoholic?
\_ google using elizabeth shue? Must be some romantic
movie?
\_ Leaving Las Vegas? Yup. Romantic movie. I suggest
renting it the next time you want to get all cuddly
with your gf/bf.
\_ I'm getting lots of references to the movie the Saint
with Elisabeth Shue and Val Kilmer.
\_ What a farce: she considered Pi Beta Phi's to be Angels in Disguises
Is that a reputable sorority?
\_ Huh?
\_ there are a lot of blond people in Pi Phi - danh
\_ All this for a dinner date? She didn't even promise a BJ for this
nonsense? Dude, seriously, find another chick. Avoid mind games.
\- i dunno if it is so much the "playing games" in this case as
the choice of LLV. if i am right, you owe me some answer
lookups. --psb
\_ Nope, not LLV. Sorority girls think different. But the
audacity ... she 'spected dinner from me! One Top Dog,
coming up! Thanks for all the help, MOTD -OP.
\_ you don't really apreciate top dog till you don't have it.
-alum
\_ Or sorority chicks. -another alum
\_ I concur. Spend a few bucks more and have a real
dinner. You may not score, but isn't worth a few
bucks to find out?
\_ No. She's obviously just looking for a free meal.
Don't get used. You don't have to buy sex at Cal.
There are plenty of perfectly good chicks walking
around who will put out without the games or the
meal fees. Avoid the freebie meal mind chicks
like the plague they are.
\_ What? So you spent an extra $5 for a small
meal at an cheap place and trap the poor gal
into talking with you for the hour. Is it worth
the entertainment value? |
| 2002/8/21-22 [Recreation/Food, Recreation/Food/Alcohol] UID:25637 Activity:very high |
8/21 Everytime I mention that I like Starbucks' coffee to someone they
always make snide comments. Why don't people like Starbucks?
\_ I don't know about you, but I think people are pretty stupid
to pay 5 bucks for a 25c beverage. Then again, they pay $1 for
16 oz of water, which is practically free. Anyway, coffee isn't
good for you, drink water.
\_ I don't know about you, but I think people are pretty stupid to pay
5 bucks for a 25c beverage. Then again, they pay $1 for 16 oz of
water, which is practically free. Anyway, coffee isn't good for
you, drink water. [formatd]
\_ personally, i just hate coffee culture and everything that
goes with it, including the stupid ass coffee snobery
seen below. all in all, starbucks is less infuriating than
some of the indy coffee shops. at least there's room to sit.
on the other hand, they are a symbol of the faceless yuppie
strip mall that is replacing the concept of american community.
\_ Cuz they have bad coffee.
\_ Try Noah's Bagels coffee. Taste the difference.
\_ Tully's, or any number of the downtown berkeley cafes...
There are such better options than starbucks. All you're
buying is the brand..
\_ I like Starbucks, too, but there are better coffee's out
there. Sometimes the quality varies even within the same
store, so find out who makes the best coffee, and go there
when they are on shift.
\_ Is making coffee really such rocket science? How hard can it be?
--non-coffee-drinker
\_ If you can boil water you can make coffee. The difference in
taste of coffee is like the difference in taste in wine.
It's a load of bs propogated by arbitrary connoiseurs trying
to market what basically is a drug. People don't drink coffee
for the taste, they drink it because they're addicted to
caffeine.
\_ and people who drink wine drink it because they're addicted
to alcohol? grow up.
\_ strawman. try again?
\_ just using your comparison. Saying people don't
drink coffee for the taste is an utterly baseless
claim.
\_ It wasn't my comparison and you're still a
strawman whereas the person you strawmanned had
lots more to say which you ignored. Now for my
personal take on it: coffee is vile and
disgusting. It reeks. It tastes bad. The only
way someone could start coffee drinking is through
peer pressure and the only way to continue on to
that nasty "wakes me up in the morning" habit and
the X-many cups/day habit is caffeine addiction.
Try to stop drinking it without a caffeine sub.
You can't. You'll go through caffeine withdrawl
and get sick until your body recovers.
\_ It's a combination of the coffee bean, the roasting method,
the freshness of the grind, the water, how it was prepared,
and how long it's been sitting around. Decent coffee, like
many things, takes some effort. You can tell bad from good,
but most folks can't tell good from great. And there's
nothing wrong with that.
\_ I guess it's the idea that like "real men go to local stores". For
example, "real handymen go to ACE Hardware instead of Home Depot",
"real photographers go to Looking Glass instead of Ritz Camera".
\- real photographers buy over the net. this is generally
more about price and what is stocked. this is not a good
analogy.
\_ Not every real photographer is computer-literate.
Something like that. It gives them pride.
\_ Because of the number of stores and it's distribution system,
Starbuck's has less quality control than smaller stores. It does
actually tastes worse than Peet's and a few of the smaller chains.
That and their emphasis on pricey sugary milk/coffee combos means
their coffee quality suffers.
\_ "Gypsies, tramps, and thieves, but every night all the men would
come around and lay their money down."
\_ Good use for a Starbucks:
http://sf.indymedia.org/news/2002/08/141433.php |
| 2002/3/25-26 [Recreation/Food, Recreation/Food/Alcohol] UID:24221 Activity:very high |
3/25 I've recently become vegetarian. I'm wondering after 20+ years of
eating meat, how long does it take for my body to clean out the
meat-related toxins? I've heard that our bowels often have
undigested meat stuck in there. Thanks.
\_ meat? Forget about that. What about your marble?
Pitchford. I won't even begin to address the bunk below
except to say that one of the many reasons that eating
commercial slaughter is worse than eating even sprayed
vegetables is that oil-based pesticides (and so many other
toxins) bioaccumulate in the fat of the animal.
\_ your gains as a veggie comes from less saturated fat and
colesterol. But you may just be trading for different toxins.
\_ I've read that it takes anywhere from 2 to 10 days.
\_ How about all of the gum I swallowed as a kid? Is that
there too?
\_ You need enemas. Lots of enemas. Mine more enemas.
\_ So instead of meat toxins you're going to ingest all the chemicals
that get sprayed on plants? Good plan. So what do you plan to
replace all that protein with?
\_ Do you think that they even wash animal feed to get the
pesticides off? Eating less meat reduces your exposure to
chemicals. -- not a veggie
\_ Of course not, the bugs would crawl back in if they did that.
\_ Organically grown plants don't get sprayed with chemcials.
There are many grains/beans that have much higher protein
content than meat.
\_ That's not quite correct. Grains/beans are often incomplete
complete proteins, you have to learn how to mix and match
them so that you can get all the essential amino acids.
\_ Its not very hard to get the right mix.
\_ although some of the best grains (e.g., Quinoa, which
has more calcium than milk and more protein than
meat, and is very balnanced -- are NOT EVEN GRAINS!
they just look, taste and act like grains. WOAH.
\_ So I guess you're getting it from the bugs like the below
person says. Whatever floats yer boat. I'm guessing that
peanut butter will become a bigger part of your diet. You'll
note peanut butter is heart clogging and will make you fat.
So are you going all the way and not eating honey either
because they 'abuse and exploit the bees by stealing their
honey and smoking their nests to steal it"?
\_ I'm not the original poster. I've been a vegetarian all
my life. I don't eat much peanut butter or honey (maybe
one or twice a year at most), mostly because it is too
sweet for my taste and not because of the "poor bees").
Grains and beans are a sufficient source of protein and
are not as fattening as meats.
BTW, I wash my food to clean off insects and dirt before
cooking. Perhaps this is a novel concept for you, oh
great hunter of wild beasts who eats the flesh of his
killing uncooked and uncleaned.
\_ So you don't care about the bees? That's really
heartless and cruel. Why do you wash off the bugs and
dirt? They add flavor and important nutrients. You
state you've been a vegetarian all your life as if that
grants you some sort of special dietary knowledge. Ok,
I've been an omnivore all my life. Does that grant me
special knowledge, too? And what does any of this have
to do with "... oh great hunter of wild beasts who eats
the flesh of his killing uncooked and uncleaned"? Nice
attempt at e190 quality poetry but it has nothing to do
with anything. I suggest you stick with what you know,
beans and peanut butter.
\_ Vegetarians live longer healthier lives. Many
studies have shown this. Sorry to pop your holier
than thou bubble.
\_ And they get sand kicked in their face for
those extra 2-3 years. Quality of life, man.
Nothing beats good lamb.
\_ well it's true they may have used a hatchet
\_ White veal, yum!
\_ True or not this is not a reply to anything I
said. Why would you bother replying to me with
this statement? You could have at least attempted
to reply to something I said.
\_ You said "what you are going to replace
all the protein with" and "you are going
to eat all those pesticides" as if being
a vegetarian was bad for your health. It
is not.
\_ Yes, and?
\_ From the insects on the plants, of course.
\_ A good first book would be Healing with Whole Foods by Paul
Pitchford. It's not a simple question to answer. The
main thing is to learn about proper nutrition and stick with it!
\_ wallgrep -4 guardian (today. -5 tomorrow.)
\_ Good for you.
\_ unless you were a carnivorous plant before, you will always
contain meat-related toxins. your body makes them.
\_ I heard your bowels contain as much as 5 lbs of undigested raw meat
which, in time, will rot and grow maggots and oh my!
\_ http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4369605,00.html
\_ OK, I'll bite - where around here can you do this?
\_ lol
\_ I'm sure you can find someone in SF willing to help.
\_ i read about them first at: giant robot (ISSUE #22...
"Haruki Murakami, Cambodia, Cambodian Shop Signs,
Getting a colonic, and more. $6.00") i dont remember
the details, but i think the guy was in l.a. and the
people who gave him the colonic were korean, so you
could probably find a place in the bay area. |
| 2002/2/16 [Recreation/Food/Alcohol] UID:23884 Activity:nil |
2/15 Woman performs TJ Hooker stunt. Saves beer.
http://www.msnbc.com/local/wyff/A1078665.asp
\_ Dude, she died! That's horrible.
\_ But she saved the beer! |
| 2002/1/29-31 [Recreation/Food/Alcohol] UID:23701 Activity:high |
1/31 Three King Cake parties this week! This is a Berkeley tradition
culminating in a chaotic parade throughout Berkeley on Fat Tuesday
(February 12 this year). Costumes encouraged! Food, cake and drink
provided (homemade organic beer and wine too) but bring somethin'
1) TODAY!!! 1/31 7 PM 2522 Piedmont #7, theme: GODZILLA AND THE
MASSES (bring your own skyscraper, green feet encouraged)
2) Fri. 2/1 7 PM 2185 Acton at Addison, theme: ALIENS, LIVESTOCK
& AMERICA THE MIDDLE
3) Sat. 2/2 8 PM 2951 California (just north of Ashby), theme:
DRESS AS YOUR FAVORITE CONSTELLATION
4) Tuesday 2/5, all-day cooking & gardening work party, Humanist
Hall, 411-28th St. Oakland btwn Brdwy & Telegraph, 11 AM on
(bands at 7:30 PM, music all day)
\_ This sounds like something a bunch of losers would do.
\_ Yea, almost as bad as pointing pointless, contentless,
worthless flames on the motd. But not quite. That's reserved
for the _true_ loser...
\_ Wow, that's like so, recursive.
\_ Okay, I'll bite. What's a King Cake party? |
| 2001/12/10-11 [Health, Recreation/Food/Alcohol] UID:23203 Activity:kinda low |
12/9 There's a malt drink in Germany called "Karamalz" or something like
that. It's not alcoholic and I heard it's very healthy. Well
healthier than drinking coke/pepsi at least. Anybody know the
exact name? I'm trying to see if I can get it here in the states.
\_ Kaiserdom Club-Malz? http://www.germandeli.com/4004591065048.html
\_ Is that the fermented horse's pubic hairs I've been hearing about? |
| 2001/11/21 [Recreation/Food/Alcohol] UID:23065 Activity:moderate |
11/21 What does it mean when a person responds to an email or newsgroup
posting and include everything the previous person wrote, but adds
no response? It's so annoying. And I don't think it was done by
mistake.
\_ you should cc: sef@kithrup.com for added excitement
\_ It's *THE* most offensive thing another usenet poster or email
sender can do. You should go all usenet jihad on their ass and turn
the whole thing into an endless multi-year flamefest and get the
police, FBI and each other's employeres, universities and ISPs into
it, because, ya know, hey, it's usenet, it must be important.
\_ HEY! it IS important. where else do you go for the latest
pics of britney's nipple?!?
\_ Dude, it's a serious question. I didn't start a flamewar
over that. I asked the guy who did that and he didn't respond.
I'm curious just what exactly does that mean? Does it mean
"hey everybody I've read this and I want you to know".
\_ It was a serious answer. It means *nothing*. Get over it.
Move on. Let it go. It isn't important. COLLEGE STUDENT!
\_ They are practicing Zen posting where they reflect what was
written and demonstrates it means everything. But they are on the
wrong path. This path leads only to beer. Beer leads to liquor.
Liquor leads to karaoke. Karaoke leads to suffering.
\_ I don't know about you, but for me, liquor leads to a bottle
of 30 yr scotch, a cigar, and two ho's next to me on my leather
couch. Train harder, young grasshopper. |
| 2001/9/21 [Recreation/Food/Alcohol] UID:22563 Activity:nil |
9/20 Overseen on internal mailing list at work (seems oddly appropriate
given the nature of the earlier motd discussions) :
If you bought $1000 worth of Nortel stock one year ago, it
would now be worth $49.
If you bought $1000 worth of Budweiser (the beer, not the
stock) one year ago, drank all the beer, and traded in the
cans for the nickel deposit, you would have $79.
My advice to you is to start drinking heavily and recycle.
\_ That's very funny! :-)
\_ If I didn't drink any beer I'd have $1000 instead of $79 |
| 2001/9/18 [Recreation/Food/Alcohol] UID:36331 Activity:nil |
9/18 Anyone listen to trance/techno/house/electronica in the morning? Its so
awful. Just like Beer and Cold Pizza in the morning. |
| 2001/9/7 [Recreation/Food/Alcohol, Recreation/Food] UID:22342 Activity:moderate |
9/6 See the chocolate industry do their best to convince you chocolate is
good for you:
http://www.cocoapro.com/nutrition/current.html
\_ GOD DAMN the Chocolate Industry!!11!1
They will pay for their sick, twisted ways in BL00D!!1
\_ can we sue them for knowing that excessive chocolate is not
only addictive but also makes you fat and clogs up your artery?
it is a health risk that people need to be more concerned about
\_ "A chocolate bar, such as SNICKERS(R) or DOVE(R) Dark, has between
two and three grams of protein." I assume they mean from the
chocolate... I'd hope all of the peanuts in a snickers have more
than that....
\_ I used to work with this redneck who would always hold up his
beer and say "this is one porkchop right here!" |
| 2001/8/23-24 [Recreation/Food/Alcohol] UID:22227 Activity:high |
8/23 as for the napa comment-winetasting in livermore >> winetasting in napa.
Wineries there are free, they are not rude, they are not all just
trying to cater to billionaire eurotrash.
\_ It's not hard to find free wine (V. Settui comes to mind), and I've
never encountered a rude person in all the wineries I've been to.
- Baron Karl Geunter Goebbels III
\_ Rude is charging $2 for a taste of your lowest grade vino.
\_ concannon vineyards in livermore is free, and has pretty good syrah.
\_ shiraz?
\_ It is very difficult to find vineyards who give free tastings
nowadays. On a recent trip to Napa, I checked out over 5 vineyards
who _used_ to give free tastings, and now they all charge. -nivra
\_ I've been told that almost none of the wineries in Sonoma
\_ That's correct. -crebbs
charge for tasting. - mikeym |
| 2001/7/14 [Recreation/Food/Alcohol, Recreation/Food] UID:21798 Activity:insanely high |
7/13 What are the restaurants/food places you miss most from UC Berkeley?
\_ Chez Panisse. Honey wine at the Ethiopian restaurant (Blue Nile?)
\_ Wasn't this place extrodinarily overpriced for small portions?
\_ My sole experience with Blue Nile involved cockroaches.
\_ Santa Fe Bar and Grill, TC Garden, and Yokohama Station.
\_ There used to be this place in Durant Square commonly referred to
as "The Greasy Burger Place".
\_ Originally that was Nation's - until sometime in the
early 90's.
\_ and then it became Golden Bear Burger before it
disappeared
\_ flint's
\_ where and what kind of food?
\_ bbq on shattuck
\_ didn't they close down? flint's on south san pablo was better
before it burned.
\_ barney's
\_ where and what kind of food?
\_ shitty, dry, and overpriced hamburgers
\_ well you CAN ask for the medium rare which helps a lot
\_ The last time I went there, I did, but was told that
they can't cook it any rarer than medium. I haven't
been back since. God save anyone who orders a well-
done Barney's burger.
\_ I thought they just wouldn't do rare...
\_ They didn't _use_ to be this way. And their milkshakes
actually used to be generous. Ah.. the old days.
\_ zach's
\_ intermezzo
\_ that korean bbq place and japanese snacks in same location
\_ steve's house of charred meat?
\_ I miss it for the H07 4ZN CH1X I used to eat there with.
\_ do people miss sun hong kong? I know, the food isn't that great,
but do you miss it anyway?
\_ I miss it for the H07 42N CH1X I used to eat there with.
\_ 5P3111NG C0RR3C73D
\_ 5P3111NG C0RR3C73D [ 4ZN -> 42N ]
\_ i only miss the mongolian beef chow fun and the seafood chow fun
\_ I miss being able to get jook at 1:45 AM. -oj
\_ yeah, open till 3am.
BTW, there is a restaurant or two open near Ranch 99 pretty
late.
\_ have you tried the food at CSP? well, at least they're open
pretty late
\_ Which Ranch 99?
\_ the one near Central Ave. off highway 80.
\_ It's truly amazing how far that place fell considering
how reasonable it was when it first opened.
\_ fat slice and bongo burger (they had cheap yet decent tasting falafel)
\_ bongo rocks. was in the area a short time ago. just had to stop
in for old time's sake.
\_ Bongo kicks ass!
\_ Bongo burgers #1!
\_ Anyone ever missed Stuffed Inn?
\_ yes! I also miss Top Dog and reasonably priced crepe places.
and La Mediteranee (the Berkeley one is way better than the
SF ones), Nakapan, Cheese Board Pizza, and of course Zach's.
\_ Yes & High Tech Burritto
\_ In four years of school, I never once ate at
High Tech. I regret it because my brother and
his friends keep telling me how good (and cheap)
it is.
half the salary. for a while anyway.
\_ Stuffed was OK, but I actually liked the sandwiches from Seven
Thieves on the corner even better. Their seeded rolls are
just amazingly tasty.
\_ i miss IB's Hoagies and La Burrita. LB because it was so cheap and
decent and open late, and IB's because it was cheap (at first neway)
and it's not easy to find that type of hoagie. What's a good hoagie
place in south bay? the one in mccarthy ranch doesn't cut it.
\_ if you want good hoagies all the time, cheap , move to
the east coast. you will quickly realize, however that you
have been screwd badly as far as fast food goes, though
since all burritos are about ten dollars and totally suck.
\_ What's a hoagie?
\_ hoagie == grinder == sub == hero; regional differences
\_ Yeah I miss La Burrita. It was cheap and had decent food. Best
of all it was across the street from Bongo Burger. So I could
have one for lunch and one for dinner.
\_ man, you peasants ate some shitty food in your time
at Berkeley. Me...? I miss little Chicago deep dish
pizza in its prime as a competitor to Zachary's.
Tasty deep dish, and cheaper than Zach's too. It's
still there on University, but they've gone downhill.
Don't know about West Coast pizza as a favorite
late night delivery hole (they operate out of the same
kitchen).
ahh...the good old days. and not so long ago.
working life, aside from the money, hella sucks,
don't you all think?
\_ well it's not so much the working life, but more that
i have to actually pay for everything and hence work.
i work more than i want to...tech jobs are hard to do
part time. i wish i could just work half the time for
half the salary. for a while anyway. that would rock.
or even 60%...3 days work, 4 days off
\_ Your wife might not appreciate your lackadaisical
ways, especially if it affects the amount of alimony
she gets after the divorce.
\_ Too much pizza is *very* unhealthy as I discovered
sophomore year. That's when I switched to La Burrita
and Bongo Burger. They were about all I could afford
as I was working to put myself through school.
As far as working is concerned, I rather like it, but
I've probably been quite lucky (I was with cisco during
\_ before my time, $0.99 for one
slice of cheese was the cheapest
I remember (I guess its sub one
dollar)
the boom years and one of the companies I worked for
was acquired by sun) so I haven't developed a dislike
for working.
\- anyone miss Heidelberg [chinese-german]? i guess i
miss the silver ball and the comic book store that was
across the street. how can you seriously miss sun hk or
la burrita? i miss sub one dollar arnell's slices. --psb
\_ before my time, $0.99 coupon for
a slice of cheese at Fat Slice
is the cheapest I can remember.
(I guess it is technically sub
one dollar)
\_ it's hard to jusdge inflation
by fatslice prices, since i
think they only increase in
25 cent increments.
\_ That's like over 15 years ago! Sheesh, youre OLD.
\_ Old Motd Saying: PSB is older than OCFs equipment
\_ what about those baked potato huts on sproul plaza? Do they still
have those today?
\_ I'm surprised no one has mentioned Fat Slice or Blondie's.
\_ Fat Slice is mentioned above (along with Bongo Burger)
\_ You are?
\_ My sole experience with Blondie's happened the second
day of freshman year. I was about to walk into Blondie's
when I bumped into my cousin. I asked her if she wanted
get a slice of pizza at this place and she said she
didn't care much for cockroach as a topping. I never
set foot in that place. Years later I was told by a
friend that he found a cockroach shell in a slice of
pizza from Blondie's and I was glad I never ate there.
\_ Top Dog... also Misha's from Durant Square (back when they served
their spicy chicken sandwich) |
| 2001/2/12-13 [Recreation/Food/Alcohol, Recreation/Food] UID:20573 Activity:very high |
2/12 I am so screwed! I'm calling around, trying to make dinner
plans for Valentines day, and everything is booked. Is it
completely hopeless or can I save our relationship?
\_ if you need to wine and dine your GF to "save" the relationship,
then it's probably not worth saving. Cooking for her is much much
more meaningful. Even if you can't cook a decent meal, the gesture
is something she will remember.
\_ by "cook", we mean candlelit dinner, silverware, several
courses -- not incandescents, TV blaring in the background,
Napster downloads on your counterstrike server. I hope
most sodans already knew this, but ...
\_ Get married, it will solve all your problems.
\_ Dump her today. Get back together on Thursday.
Take her out then.
\_ I'll take her out, I can get reservations
\_ You couldn't get reservations even two weeks ago. Plan earlier
next time. BTW, the cooking thing is a good idea.
\_ I was actually able to walk into a place that was reasonably
nice last year.
\_ Try Trattoria la Siciliana on College, they had space left
when I checked on Saturday. Also, I just cancelled my
reservation at Mazzani Trattoria on Telegraph--decided to
cook instead.
\_ You're doomed. Give it up or get married.
\_ Lyon's or Olive Garden :P |
| 2000/10/24 [Recreation/Food, Recreation/Food/Alcohol] UID:19553 Activity:nil |
10/23 Can somebody recommend a fancy vegetarian restaurant in the bay area?
I'm looking for something like Chez Pannese but 100% vegetarian.
Thanks.
\_ Long Life Vegi House in Berkeley (assuming it's still
there) is not quite as fancy as Chez Pannise and they also
serve seafood...but it's _damn_ good. --recovering vegan
\_ you know, all those poeple who like long life vegi house
must have been beaten as kids. The food is bland and
unispired, even the pure vegi dishes. It is true white boy
chinese food.
\_ I've observed that many "vegi" only restaurants serve
the most bland food on the planet and look at you as
if you are a grotesque sea monster from a black lagoon
on mars if you ask them for red pepper or hot sauce.
I find it frustrating to eat americanized "vegi" food.
- indian who is glad to have home cooking
\_ it's pretty hard to be a vegan epicurean...
\_ it's not very hard to be a fucking moron -pld
\_ Gosh that was a useful comment.
\_ case in point?
\_ Consider yourself invited Chez Moi. I'm not professionally
trained or anything but I'm not a bad cook and I love having
vegetarians for dinner. -seano
\_ You eat vegetarians for dinner! Damn I thought there
was a law against that.
\_ Actually, I prefer vegan meat; for breakfast and cold
cuts... but all vegetarians go well with a compliment of
asparagus bordelaise and a crisp sauvignon blanc. -seano
\_ the joke was funny until you explained it
\_ Interesting. Soda's own Jeffery Damlher.
\_ He didn't exclude women from his invite list....
\_ is he like Jeffrey Dahmer?
\_ and the nice smell of rotting food adds so much to the ambience
\_ I heard of a restaurant called Green's. Don't know if it still
exists or not. It might be in SF.
\_ Yes, Greens. Don't go anywhere else. It's in SF (Fort
Mason). Fleur De Lys is also reputed to have a good vegetarian
tasting menu according to Zagat. --dim
\_ Fleur de Lys is a pretty damn good restaurant
\_ Never been to Greens, but I have a copy of their cookbook,
VERY yummy food, but note, Greens has absolutely NOTHING
whatsoever to do with being healthy. A nice lean steak
is probably healthier than many of their dishes.
\_ Millenium - in the ground floor of some hotel in SF. (Almost vegan,
but has some dishes with cheese and/or honey.)
\_ millenium is for the hard core vegetarian or vegan. it rocks
if you hate meat. in the abigail hotel on mcallister near
van ness --chris
\_ What does hating meat have to do with begin vegetarian?
- vegetarian who does not hate meat, but rather choses
not to eat it.
\_ i meant if you hate meat, you'll like millenium. it's
almost all vegan, they have seitan, tofu galore...so if
you like the taste of meat, the meat substitutes won't
make you too happy. --chris
\_ I like the taste of meat and think meat substitutes
are disgusting. Any vegitarian who eats those things
should stop being stupid and just eat meat once
in a while. If you are gonna be vegi do it right and
eat stuff that isn't pretending. IT TASTES BETTER.
\_ just for reference, i eat vegi fake meat because
i like it, not because i hate meat or because i
want to replace it. in fact, i've never tasted
red meat before, unless you count the bologna i
accidentally ate once when i was little that made
me violently ill. -lila
\_ hey, kind of like those peas i choked on
that accidentally rolled next to my porterhouse
when i was 9...
\_ no, not really
\_ Okay, its obvious that my comment was misunderstood.
I'm a vegetarian who doesn't eat "meat" substitutes.
I've always had a vegetarian diet (indian), but I
don't hate meat and I'm not a member of PETA or
anything stupid like that. I think that one should
be free to choose to eat meat or not. There is no
point in heckling people over their choice.
\_ I don't think chris was saying vegetarians
explicitly "hate meat." i think she said you had
to be a vegetarian who hated meat to like
and really appreciate millenium
\_ saw a bumper sticker: "I Love Animals. They taste delicious"
\_ Another: "If God didn't want us to eat animals, why did he
make them out of meat?"
\_ reminds me of the Far Side cartoons tofu gazelles while
the Lions looked on.
\_ Green's is a good suggestion. You may also want to try Joubet's
at the end of the N Judah line. Vegetarian French-South African
cusine. |
| 2000/7/18-19 [Recreation/Food/Alcohol, Recreation/Food] UID:18704 Activity:very high |
7/17 What is that restraurant on top of Bank of America in the city
called? thx.
\_ the Carnelian Room, http://www.carnelianroom.com
\_ Thanks. Any ideas on whether it's overrated?
\_ way overrated. ate there with my family. We all had
diarrhea afterwards.
\_ It depends how much you want to pay for a view.
\_ the Dresden Room, http://www.thedresden.com
\_ The Carnelian Room restaurant won't let you in without a
jacket and tie, a policy I find unacceptable. Go to the
bar if you want the view. -tom
\-by and large avoid restaurants that move. this is a
high school prom kind of place. if you want good food, go
elsewhere. --psb
\_ The one of top of BofA building doesn't rotate
-muchandr
\-"move or have a view" --psb
\_ You don't own a jacket and tie? What the hell is wrong
with you?
\_ Whether I own them or not is irrelevant. Whether a
business that I am planning to give far too much money
to for dinner *requires* me to wear them is the issue.
\_ You miss the point. It is thus: by making a dress
code requirement, even one so minimal as jacket and
tie, they can more easily keep out the riff raff and
the few who get confused and show with jacket/tie
anyway, at least won't be a complete embarassment
and can be stuck in the back near the kitchen. By
not dining at this sort of place... well nevermind.
\_ i've never seen a riff raff at a restaurant.
just old (or chinese) people with really bad
manners. this reason seems bogus.
\_ Ahem. Cough.
\_ you forget rule #1 of conspicous consumption:
try to consume out of your league. dress codes
protect he consumers' delicate sensibilities
from the horror of the tide of humanity being
able to afford the same pleasures as they.
\_ I like being protected from the horror of
the tide of humanity. That's easy to spout
off about form your dorm room's high speed
line. Go out and see it sometime and get
back to us.
\- this is another "center of the
universe" problem. let a thousand
restaurants bloom ... carnelian room
wants to have a dress code, let them.
the food sucks and i will go to
boulevard which has better food and
let me in with shorts and flipflops
and a tshirt. the ritz carlton dining
room has good enough food to have been
jump through sartorial hopps to dine
there. --psb |
| 2000/4/23-24 [Recreation/Food/Alcohol, Recreation/Food] UID:18089 Activity:insanely high |
4/22 What good restaurants in SF do people recommend?
\- is this a serious question? are you looking for "deals"
or the best restaurants in town? taqueria san jose ($5)is a
good deal. acquarello is the best italian place in town ($100)
and pastis is a nice place in the middle ($50). there's a
start. --psb
\_ Cha Cha Cha on haste is really good cuban/jamacan food,
on Haste near golden gate park. Long lines and no reservations,
however, so go on a weekday. The best Ice Cream is Joe's Old
Fashoned Ice Cream on 18th and Geary. -nweaver
\_ How about "Thirsty Bear" on Howard/Hawthorne? Does anyone have
any commments on that place?
\- is this a serious question? are you looking for "deals"
or the best restaurants in town? taqueria san jose ($5)is a
good deal. acquarello is the best italian place in town ($100)
and pastis is a nice place in the middle ($50). there's a
start. --psb
\_ Italian in Northern California sucks compared to the stuff
you can get on the east coast, which, in turn, sucks
compared to the stuff you can get in Italy. -dans
\-have you been to acquarello? otherwise what is the
relevance? i think this generalization usually applies
most to low to medium "end" places. --psb
\_ this coming from a man who thinks House Of Nanking is
the best Chinese in SF.
\_ Cha Cha Cha on haste is really good cuban/jamacan food,
on Haste near golden gate park. Long lines and no reservations,
however, so go on a weekday. The best Ice Cream is Joe's Old
people's place. Food is best when it's a communal experience.
Fashoned Ice Cream on 18th and Geary. -nweaver
\_ a second Cha Cha Cha's has opened in the Mission,
same food without the lines
\_ no way, man! Mitchell's on Guerrero.
\_ House of Nanking. IMHO, the best Chinese food in SF. The
\_ Bwahaha! Maybe cuz yer gwailow.
ambiance isn't too great (i.e. non-existent), but the food more
than makes up for it. Afterwards, wander (literally) around the
corner to Little Italy(i.e. North Beach), and get desert at The
Steps of Rome (overly trendy, always busy, but tasty). Stop at
City Lights bookstore on the way if you so desire. Makes for a
nice evening out. -dans
\_ Sucker! You enjoy standing in line to get herded into a cramped
little hole that serves shitty, bland, tastes of generic sauces
food? Look at the crowd sometime. Notice how it is 100% white.
there is a reason. HoN may once have been good, I dunno. But
if so that was a LONG time ago.
\_ Name something better. Have a cookie, troll. While you're
at it, sign yer name, twink. -dans
\_ I like seeing trolls like dans use my "have a
cookie line". Gives me the warm fuzzies all over.
Tinglies up my spine. --fellow troll
P.S. I like cramped dining. You get to eat off of other
peoples' plates. Food is best when it's a communal experience.
And even though your statement about the crowd being 100%
white is flat out wrong, it doesn't carry much weight? What,
white folks aren't allowed to have good taste in food?
\-Eric's chinese, an otherwise pretty good restaurant,
totally screwed up a dish once and when an associate of
mine inquired was told "white people like it that way"
[this was clearly a fuckup ... there was so much pepper
in the dish, nobody could possibly "like it that way.
although the conversation took place in chinese, given
that 3/6 people at the table were white, you had to
wonder if the staff person thought the "explanation"
would not be translated for whitey]. --psb
\-Eric's Chinese, ton kiang. --psb
\_ let me guess, you are from Orange County aren't you?
\_ My Chinese friends told me that my taste in Chinese food
is like that of white folks. What does that mean?
They seem to think that this is funny. - confused Chinese
\_ You have lousy taste in food. Take the hint.
--white boy who prefers real chinese food
\_ re: Thirsty Bear. It's a tapas bar/brew pub. The food is ok and
reasonably priced; the beer is quite good (esp. their wheat beer).
It's now a SoMa hang out, so it's very crowded Thurs-Sat eve. |
| 2000/4/5 [Health/Disease/General, Recreation/Food/Alcohol] UID:17920 Activity:nil |
4/4 http://www.milksucks.com/beersurvey.html |
| 2000/3/27-28 [Recreation/Food/Alcohol, Recreation/Food] UID:17865 Activity:high |
3/27 First donuts. Then pizza. What other college food groups
(aside from Beer) are we missing?
\_ YerMom.
\_ Chocolate. Scharffen Berger opened a factory in Berkeley.
\_ never thought of chocolate as a college food group
(Stereotype warning): I guess because I'm a male
who doesn't crave chocolate.
\_ burritos? top dog hot dogs? Greasy northside food? |
| 2000/2/25-26 [Recreation/Food, Recreation/Food/Alcohol] UID:17624 Activity:kinda low |
2/25 What's the deal with the cronicle's almost daily articles about
"Hip young twentysomething dot-commers?" There is a particularly
hilarious one today...
\_ what link exactly?
\_http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2000/02/25/MN47093.DTL&type=food
\_ Jealousy. Remember, these are late 30-something baby boomers who
missed out on their own generation's prosperity. Maybe not so much
jealousy per se as a longing for what they missed out on in their
own lives.
\_ No, it's just that Michael Bauer is an insipid cretin.
-John
\_ Essentially, all the interesting web/net stuff took place at least
five years ago. But it wasn't until the creation of the web that
any of the baby boomers took notice. And it wasn't until the
creation of the web that any of the non-tech saavy Gen Xers (read
business types) started trying to sell shit on the web. All the
tech folks knew it couldn be done, they just didn't think it was
an interesting problem so they didn't. Once the the bizbots
flooded the web, it turned into something that baby boomers could
appreciate, if not understand. For a particularly revolting
article that highlights a) Baby Boomer fascination with essentially
lame web stuff, and b) Yet another lame net startup backed by a
bizbot that hasn't done anything either technologically interesting
or economically feasible, check out the article "Hey, I Just Work
Here" in this month's issue of WIRED. Also, note that, since
WIRED's purchase by Conde Nast, it has gone from a sometimes
technologically inept, but usually interesting and usually written
with the right idea magazine to a consistently technologically
inept, rarely interesting, and usually written with the wrong idea
to begin with magazine. -dans
\_ What I found funny was the implication that everyone who eats
in these fancy rest. are "millionaires" or whatever, and not
overworked corp slaves who get off work at 9-10p every night
and are too zombified to do anything else but shove food in
their face...
\_ How times a month do many post-undergrad CSUA go to
fine restaurants?
\_ I got roughly once a week. -post-ugrad CSUA
\_ I go out at least once a week, usually twice. -ugrad CSUA |
| 1999/12/18-21 [Recreation/Food/Alcohol, Recreation/Food] UID:17064 Activity:low |
12/17 Are there any delivery services, like takeout taxi, that deliver
food from vairous restaurants around Berkeley? Anyone have a
phone number or URL? -forest
\_ Dominos.
\_ Waiters on Wheels? Not so sure it serves Berkeley though.
http://www.waitersonwheels.com
\_ I found this: http://www.slip.net/~john/delivery -forest
\_ http://www.food.com http://www.dine.com we've used http://dine.com, it takes
a long time, but it gets done, sure beats driving across town
to pick up food. http://food.com was recommended to me by a respected
coworker, we have yet to try it out. --chris
\_ good thing is wasn't referred by a loathsome coworker. |
| 1999/11/30-12/1 [Recreation/Food/Alcohol, Transportation/Car] UID:16975 Activity:low |
11/30 Does anyone know what the steaming factory next to the West Oakland
BART station does? During morning commute hours there's often a very
strong alcohol-like smell near there, so strong that if I forget to
turn off the A/C in my car when I drive by there, my car will be filled
with that smell within seconds.
\_ It's West Oakland's natural scent (the smell of gangs and cronies)
\_ They produce cyanide ther for the medical industry.
\_ They produce cyanide there for the medical industry.
\_ alcohol-like smell? probably baking bread for the day...
\_ They produce high-test malt liquor for the indigenous population. |
| 1999/9/9-10 [Recreation/Food/Alcohol] UID:16493 Activity:moderate |
9/9 Friend coming to SF area, is interested in going to Napa Valley.
What is a good place to go for free wine, good food, good
atmosphere? How do I get there? Thanks.
\_ in Napa, they're rude, and will charge you nearly everywhere
for wine. $2/taste at Domain Chandon, $5 for a barrel sample
at Silveroak. it sucks. Go to Sonoma - they like you being there,
traffic is lighter, and tastings are generally free or the
fee is rarely collected. -jor
\_ carmel valley. less traffic, less crowds, just as good wine.
\- go to AAA and get their wine maps. those have hours and
and whether tastings are free. if you are not a snob,go
to VI Sattui ... you can taste like 6 or 7 wines with a
lot of sugar for free. --psb |
| 1999/9/6 [Recreation/Food/Alcohol] UID:16474 Activity:nil |
9/6 BBQ right now at 1419 Alcatraz (near Sacramento).
Beer, food, and people are already here. |
| 1998/4/13 [Recreation/Food, Recreation/Food/Alcohol] UID:13939 Activity:high |
4/12 My gf's birthday is coming up and I want to do the most
romantic thing ever done for her. Ideas anyone?
\_ give her... "the greatest love act of all."
\_ Have dinner (McDonalds) at the CSUA lounge.
\_THE GUY SAID ROMANTIC!! so make sure you super-size...
\_ Watch a porno together and then you and some friend gang bang her
\_ The Fully Monty!
\_ Take her to Jerry Springer show!
\_ One night with me, it doesn't get more romantic...
\-well, i dont think there is a very large kernel of
stuff that are "universally" considered romanitc buy women. except
diamonds, due to the DeBeers conspiracy. anyway, i think you have
to ask a more pointed question like "know a good place for a picnic"
know a good restaurant in SF" etc. --psb, your romance counselor.
\_ There are like websites and stuff. Search for romantic idea
-muchandr
\_ Asking for romantic advice on the motd? MUHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA! But
seriously, I'd suggest something involving food and a getaway.
Mostly depending on your budget. EG, cheap: A nice picnic
somewhere around the area (I personally like the Sonoma coastline.)
Somewhat more expensive: A fancy, but not too fancy resteraunt.
Really fancy: Some quaint little bed & breakfast combined with
a really fancy resteraunt. |
| 1998/3/4 [Recreation/Food/Alcohol] UID:13757 Activity:nil |
3/4 Support the smoking ban!
The smoking ban is an unreasonable peice of legislation. It
is a ban. That means that there are no exceptions no matter
what. The next step is to ban smoking in any room containing
more than ten people where alcohol is served because that is
just like a bar. Even if it is your home or workplace.-nesim
\_ The ban does have exceptions: namely when the bar is operated
entirely by the owners. If you want to die from second-hand
smoke, you're free to do so. You're not allowed to have working
conditions that force your employees to do the same.
\_ sounds sensible. you're not one of those nasty smokers, by
chance?
\_ the difference between alcohol and smoking is smoking affect
other people, where as alcohol doesn't.
\_ How many drunk drivers kill people every year?
\_ I am sick and tired of people smoke in public areas. If I
died of 2nd hand smoking, I will come back as a ghost and
take a fucking smoker with me.
\_ Just one?
\_ Bars aren't public places. Even without smoking they are pretty
bad for your health. |
| 1994/6/12 [Recreation/Food/Alcohol] UID:31623 Activity:nil |
6/12 I might do another pizza-beer-cosmic-encounter thing at my place
again, although i cant promise i'll be able to get to the store and
get more beer. send mail if you are itnerestd for sunday early eve,
and i'll keep you posted. --psb |
| 1993/8/10 [Reference/BayArea, Recreation/Food/Alcohol] UID:31382 Activity:nil |
8/7 I'm looking for a good liquor store in Berkeley/Oakland/SF
that carries reasonably expensive imported wines and other
sorts of stuff. You know, the kind with snooty cashiers.
If you know of one, let me know or something. --blojo
\-seriously, liquor barn in albany is actually pretty good. --psb
\-if its snooty wines you want, theres a wine store right near
Chez Panisse up on Shattuck. --karlb
\-there are quite a few good quality, reasonably priced wines
at Whole Foods (at the corner of Ashby and Telegraph). --ausman
\- Also a wine merchant or two on San Pablo, near Gilman I think -payam |
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