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| 2010/1/25-30 [Recreation/Food, Finance/Shopping] UID:53663 Activity:high |
1/25 I went to Ranch 99 for the first time recently. Lots of interesting
items, but the place got a "yuck" for its cleanliness factor and
so I left without buying anything. I went to a Japanese market and
it was antiseptic in comparison and the fish/meats looked much
fresher, too. Did I happen to choose a bad location or is this
chain going to sell me food that makes me sick? I was not impressed.
\_ I go McD fol first time. Lots of intelesting food, but the
prace got a "yuuck" for rack of selections and so I left
without buying anything. I go France Market and
it was prettier in comparison and the food was so much
flesher, too. Did I happen to choose a bad Amelican fast
food or are all Amelican fast food sell shit that make
me puke porridge? I was not implessed. I don't go out
much, enrighten me prease. -foreign man
\_ "foleign"
\_ I dunno what fucked up place you come from but most
places have at least the R* or L* phoneme in place.
if you're going to affect a fake accent at least try
to get it right, we live in a post-house-laurie world now.
\_ china vs japan.
\_ 99 Ranch is a Taiwanese market, not Mainland Chinese. (Whether
Taiwan is/isn't part of China is a separate debate.)
\_ "The House is on FIRE!"
"no no this isn't a house it's an apartment, and thus
your argument is refuted."
\_ Are you trolling or genuinely this stupid? If you don't know
if you're either one, god help.
\_ I detect ignorance... lack of exposure to the world.
The guy is obviously a dumb ass, give him a break
\_ Enlighten me with your wisdom.
\_ Contrary to what you've been told in UPN or whatever,
asian cultures are not the same, and furthermore, stores for
poorer people are generally filthier than stores for rich
people. Ranch 99 caters to *students* who are traditionally
poor/cheap. And Mainland chinese hygiene is pretty bad.
Just ask what the "red spittle juice" street paintings are.
\_ Plus Taiwanese culture and Mainland Chinese culture are
different.
\_ Dude, I have no idea who Ranch 99 purports to cater to,
but I can tell you that most of the customers were not
students judging by their ages. So if Ranch 99 is for
'poor people' then what is the 'rich people' equivalent?
\_ which Ranch 99? In my experience, Albany was really clean,
San Mateo/not so clean, Cupertino, SPARKLING
\_ Yeah, poor people get dirty stores, rich people get nice clean
stores. This is true everywhere.
\_ Give me an example of a clean Chinatown.
\_ Cupertino.
\_ Palos Verdes Estates
\_ Not PVE. You mean RPV.
\_ Manchukuo
\_ Monterey Park, San Marino, Arcadia, South Pasadena
\_ I actually went to the Arcadia "Ranch 99". Since I
went there have been 3 muggings in the parking lot.
What a dump.
\_ Yokohama |
| 2009/12/23 [Recreation/Food] UID:53597 Activity:nil Cat_by:auto |
12/23 Mental note to myself:
Ritual Roasters Cafe in San Francisco-- communist star symbol
== lots of wannabe dotcomers.
\_ http://www.ritualroasters.com
http://www.yelp.com/biz/ritual-coffee-roasters-san-francisco
XO in San Francisco-- lots of hot mamas during midday
\_ http://www.yelp.com/biz/cafe-xo-san-francisco |
| 2009/12/10-2010/1/13 [Recreation/Food] UID:53588 Activity:nil |
12/10 http://www.businessinsider.com/10-silicon-valley-lunch-time-joints-to-meet-and-greet-2009-11 How many of these restaurants do you recognize? \_ None worth eating at again. |
| 2009/11/4-17 [Recreation/Food/Alcohol, Recreation/Food] UID:53497 Activity:nil |
11/4 http://boss.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/10/29/one-hundred-things-restaurant-staffers-should-never-do-part-one/?src=tp \_ sorry, why should we care? Who runs restaurants here? |
| 2009/10/12-11/3 [Recreation/Food/Alcohol, Recreation/Food] UID:53446 Activity:low |
10/12 In the same spirit as below, I'm going to be in the Florida Keys
for a few days Thanksgiving Week. Any recs on what to do, where
to stay, what to eat. All I know about is going snorkeling.
Also in Miami for a day and half, if you have any recs there.
\_ http://csua.com/?entry=51778
\_ You know how when you depart from an airport you need to pay
extra $2-3, depending on the airport? Well one time I took
a taxi from Miami back to the airport, and when I got
off the taxi I gave the driver $14 (fee) plus $2 tip. He asked
for tip. I explained that I already gave him $2 tip and he got
all worked up and said I need to pay the extra $2 airport fee.
"I work for tip, mon!" I explained on the taxi sign that the
extra fee would be incurred when going out of the airport,
not going in. He obviously didn't read English well and started
to curse at me. I gave him the extra $2 so that he would go
away but went to an authority and confirmed that they're not suppose
to do that. I then called the mass transit/taxi registration
to report the case since I got his taxi stall number, and
they promised to call me back on their investigation. They never
called back. You really have to watch out in Miami. It is
not as peachy as Seattle or Houston. Shit hole.
\_ Leaving the SF airport, I had a cabbie not turn on the meter
until we were already into the ride, and tell me "to here
it's usually $2, so you can pay me $2 more than the meter."
The scam is that they have to pay the taxi company based
on the meter (which should include any airport fees), and
they're pocketing the extra. -tom
\_ Miami is like a 3rd world country. If you like Los Angeles
then you may like Miami. Lots and lots of ethnic food, TRAFFIC,
women in skimpy clothes and shady looking guys in gold that
scream ROB ME PLEASE, TRAFFIC TRAFFIC and lots of rude
\_ and really really nice cars
drivers, partying, ethnic food, lousy parking situation.
Driving there REALLY sucks. So in a sense it's like a
hybrid of Venice, Rodeo Drive, Hollywood Sunset, and I-10 freeway
all merged into one. If that's your kind of thing, yeah go to
Miami. -person who will NEVER go back
\_ Good food and partying with scantily clad women. I can see why
you'd avoid it. Driving sucks in every big city and it's 10x
worse to drive in Boston or DC than it is in LA. How does
Miami's traffic compare to those?
\_ I don't like Los Angeles, and that's probably why
I don't like Miami. If that's your type of thing, fine.
\_ Maybe you should say what you *do* like. So far we know
you don't like food, don't like parties, don't like
scantily clad women, and don't like traffic. We need
to calibrate your comments. Let us know that you like
quiet time at home reading, bookstores, skiing, fat women
who wear glasses and your favorite food is a sandwich (or
whatever).
\_ I love food and whatever you said, I just don't
enjoy driving between the points in Los Angeles.
I don't enjoy I-10, I-110, I-405, I-5, and whatever
it is you need to take to get between the amazing
points of interest on Sunset, Santa Monica, Westwood,
Orange County, and what not. I'll gladly take
inferior ethnic food in the Bay Area without your
rude drivers and the time you need to spend on the
road, thank you very much.
\_ Bay Area has great food.
\_ Compared to many places, yes. Try to find
a decent burrito, though, for example.
\_ I actually don't like most mexican food.
I never liked beans and salsa.
\_ Probably because you never had good
Mexican food. What kind of food *do*
you like?
\_ Cheap likes: Italian, Japanese
Expensive likes: French, Russian
I suppose any big city will do,
but I think elite foodies will
beg to differ and offer a plethora
of suggestions below.
\_ I don't find Italian or Japanese
to be cheap. Maybe you should try
Mexican fish dishes. The best
catfish I had in my life was at
a gourmet Mexican restaurant and
the sauce was made with guava. The
Mexican preparation of skate
wings is also really good. In LA, I
really like La Serenata de
Garibaldi and miss (now gone) El
Emperador Maya. I also like Monte
Alban, Guelaguetza, and Babita. I
have heard Rosa Mexicano is good,
but I don't know. It's a small
chain like Border Grill. Menu looks
good. Do any of the dishes in
good. Also heard good things
about LA institution El Rinconcito Del
Mar. Do any of the dishes in
the "Favorites" section of the below
page appeal to you?
http://tinyurl.com/yfo3twx
\_ I've been to nice Mexican
and Texmex restaurants and I
just don't enjoy them as much
the same way certain people
don't enjoy pizza or burgers.
Having that said, yes a lot of
the food desc are good, I would
probably like them, esp. the
ones without beans and salsa.
Thanks for your suggestions.
Are there any other non Mex food
in LA you can recommend?
\_ Papalote is decent, but LA Burrito > SF Burrito
http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast?id=73331041
Burrito discussion starts at 44:29.
\_ SF Burrito > Miami Burrito
\_ Mexico burrito > SF burrito
\_ No such thing as a Mexico Burrito.
\_ SF Cuban <<<<< Miami Cuban
\_ You would think that, but when I was in
Miami I never had any great Cuban food.
The Jamaican food was great. I was only
there for a week and busy campaigning
for Obama, so I didn't really have time
to check out Little Havana. Do you have
any particular places you would recommend?
\_ If you couldn't find good Cuban in
Miami then you are hopeless.
\_ If you can't help by offering
alternatives then you're a total
ass !op
\_ Maybe so, but a 60 second
Internet search followed by
a talk with a concierge and
perhaps a few locals is not
hard to do. It's not like
searching for good Latvian food
in Arizona. Maybe the OP just
doesn't like Cuban food. I'm
curious where he had better.
Only better I had was in my
friend's kitchen.
\_ If the op wanted opinion from
a random guy on the internet,
he would have searched
already. There is
value/anti-value in
getting opinions from CSUAers.
If you missed that point,
why bother contributing shit
on motd you fucking dip shit?
\_ Teaching a man to fish
is more valuable than
giving him a fish.
\_ I was in Opa-locka and Miami
Garden busting my ass 16 hours
a day campaigning, I didn't
have time to go to the
Republican parts of Cuban
Miami. The only real Cuban
food I had was from my bosses
wife in The Army, who was
Cuban. Cha Cha Cha has a few
vaguely Cuban dishes, which
I like. In Miami, I asked
quite a few locals where to
food I have ever had was from
my bosses wife in The Army,
who was Cuban. Cha Cha Cha has
a few vaguely Cuban dishes,
which I like. In Miami, I
asked quite a few (black
Hatian) locals where to
get Cuban food and finally
ate at a place in Opa-locka
that was mediocre, but that is
probably like eating Chinese
food in The Mission.
\_ Er, thanks for your concern, but I'm passing throught Miami,
not moving there. Anything about the Keys? |
| 11/22 |
| 2009/10/11-11/3 [Recreation/Food/Alcohol, Recreation/Food] UID:53444 Activity:low |
10/11 Are there any CSUA'ers in NYC, or who know things to do in NYC? steven
and I are doing the tourist thing.
\_ I thought the Empire State Building was much better than I
expected it to be. The museums are all stellar, especially the
Met, MoMA, and Natural History Museum. Lots of good
plays/shows/concerts. Top notch restaurants. Worth seeing the Statue
of Liberty from Battery Park. Ellis Island. Trinity Church Cemetery
near Wall Street, which is where Alexander Hamilton is buried, if
you like that sort of thing. Saint Patrick's Cathedral and
Rockefeller Center. NYC Ballet and the Lincoln Center including
Chagall's paintings in the Metropolitan Opera. Lots of good
shopping with stores that have their only US location in NYC
(or maybe NYC and LA both) like the NBA Store. I liked Central
Park. Times Square was a waste of time. Didn't get too much out
of Chinatown, Greenwich Village, SoHo, TriBeCa coming from SF.
Depends on what you are into.
\_ Already been to the Empire State Building, Central Park, Times
Square, Battery Park, and Wall Street. Except for Central Park,
all at night, though. Care to be more specific about the plays/
shows and restaurants? --toulouse
\_ I don't know what's playing. Look online. As for restaurants,
look at something like Yelp or Zagat to find something
to suit your tastes. Try Gramercy Tavern, Gilt, Aureole,
Daniel, Jean Georges, Le Bernardin, Per Se, Alto, Corton,
Picholine, or anything else which won a Michelin star and
you'll be in good hands. Ethnic food is good in NYC, but
we get that in California. What we don't get so much of is
fine dining. Waitstaff in particular are much better in NY.
The bar at the Ritz Carlton near Wall Street is cool,
because you can sit outside and overlook the harbor and
the Statue of Liberty while having your drink with a
bunch of traders who just got off work. I recommend that.
\_ There is great food in NYC, but it is not like the Bay Area where
you can find amazing food for $20. Be prepared to spend at least
$50/person (usually more like $100) for good food. -ausman
\_ Except for pizza, which fills the culinary niche taken by the
Mission Burrito in the Bay Area. John's, on Bleeker Street,
is one of the reference pizza places. While you're in the
Village, go check out one of the underground jazz clubs. -tom
\_ I'd do some "A-list" stuff in NYC, but then I'd switch to stuff
NYC has that where you are coming from doesnt have. Like instead
of going to all the big museums, go to say the http://www.icp.org if
interested in photography, or some ethic food not avail in your
home space etc. You can look in the "About Town" [in the NYker]
or Time Out etc for what's going on. Oh, I also check on "expiring"
stuff, like special exhibits at museums ... NYC gets some better
travelling shows than SF. I assume you know about the "half-price
tix" type operations. Cloisters is another interesting museum not
mentioned above. BTW, a bunch of the named restos above are going
to be +$200, and easily can go +$400/pp with "modest wines". A new
thing in NYC is http://www.thehighline.org
\_ I was going to mention the Cloisters, but it's part of the
Met. It is worth noting, to me anyway, that NYC has the best
museums I have ever been to. I have not been to those in
London, but I have been to most of the big ones in the US
(Smithsonian, Field in Chicago, Cleveland, Getty, Dallas, Boston)
and some in Europe (Rijksmuseum and all the big French ones) and
the museums in NYC blow them away, IMO. So don't think
"Well, I'm from DC and we have good museums here." NYC makes
the National Gallery of Art and Smithsonian Natural History
Museum look like crap. Odds are, where you are from does not
have anything like what you will find in NYC. Certainly not if
you are from SF.
\_ Better than The Louvre? Come on. But yes, far better than
anything in SF or LA even.
\_ To me it was better than the Louvre and the Orsay, but
it depends on what kind of art you like. The Met had
more of what I like. Yes, the Louvre has the Mona Lisa
and Venus de Milo while the Met doesn't have any
Michaelangelo at all (well, they do, but rarely on
display - yes, I realize Michaelangelo did not do
those works, pardon my poor sentence). Louvre has a great
antiquities collection. On the other hand, the Met has more
Asian art, more 1800s+ art (which the Louvre has none of
b/c it is in the Orsay), arms and armor, musical
instruments, and textiles. Orsay had a nice collection of
Tissots and Whistler's Mother, but overall the Met had a
more impressive modern art collection (e.g.,
Impressionists and people like O'Keefe). Collectively, I
would say the art museums in Paris are larger and better,
but under one roof I was more impressed with the Met.
P.S. The Orsay is sending a lot of its collection to
SF next year while it undergoes renovation. This
is your only chance to see most of this art in SF.
\_ Check out PS1 in Queens. When you get here, read the 'stuff that
is happening' section in the various free weeklies. Those tourist
buses that sell you three days passes are actually pretty
convenient. If I ever get some time off I want to hit all of this:
http://travel.nytimes.com/2009/09/13/nyregion/13stop.html - danh |
| 2009/7/27-8/6 [Recreation/Food] UID:53201 Activity:nil |
7/27 does not drinking milk help with immune system?
\_ Really? I've only heard that milk is good for the body.
\_ there are a bunch of people now who say that milk and glutten
are like these massive strains on the body. prof Shewchuk has
a long diatribe about it on his site somewhere.
\_ is that like how eggs used to be bad then weren't again?
\_ Many people do not have the enzymes to digest milk sugar, especially
after puberty. Asians in particular have this problem. If you drink
milk and cannot digest it, it will cause gas, bloating and
cramps. I don't really buy the "immune system" stuff but this is
a complicated enough system, that it is possible. |
| 2009/5/30-6/5 [Recreation/Food] UID:53060 Activity:moderate |
5/30 I've got 15 hours in Paris (2pm to 5am their time) on a layover.
I have never been to Paris. What should I do with my time? The
Orsay Museum is open until 10pm Thursdays and I will be there on
a Thursday, so that is one option. I heard a Seine cruise is nice.
Any other ideas?
\_ The Musee D'Orsay is great (and reminiscent of Doe Library,
architecturally), but in summer you can expect 2 hours
waits to get in. The Louvre can be fine, if you're not
trying to see the Mona Lisa. Really, in Paris it would be
fine to just take the Metro down to somewhere along the Seine,
and walk along until you find a nice cafe or restaurant.
\_ Would it be worth a 2 hour wait to get in the museum?
\- Some Paris advice attached, but you should ask me via wall
if you want more info. It's more of a conversation than an
essay [e.g. "food, shopping, culture?"]. What you should do
\- I can give you some Paris advice, but you should ask me via
wall if you want more info. It's more of a conversation than
an essay, e.g. "food, shop, culture?"]. What you should do
first is figure out when you need to leave Paris proper to
\- I can give you some Paris advice, but you should
ask me via wall. It's more of a conversation than an
essay [e.g. "food, shop, culture?"]. What you should do first
is figure out when you need to leave Paris proper to
easily get back to the airport ... if CDG, then "Le Dernier
Metro" [well, RER B] from say Chatelet or Gare du Nord.
Metro" [well, RER B] from say Chatelet/Gare du Nord/Lyon.
I'm inclined to say just walk around the Louvre, Ile de la
Cite [Conciergerie, St Chapelle, Notre Dame] and then
around the 5e and 6e [Sorbonne, Pantheon, St. Sulpice,
Jardin Lux] and maybe squeeze in a smaller museum like
Moyen Age. There is a lot of street food you can get in
that area: grand mariner crepes, bertillion ice cream,
jambon de pays sandwiches, grand viande kebabs etc.
If you are interested in history/lit, the center of town is
a great place to wander ... here is where the Templars
were burned by Philip IV, here is where the d'Artagnan
a great place to wander ... here is where the Templers
were burned by Philip IV, here is where the D'Artanian
were burned by Philip IV, here is where the d'Artagnan
lived after his promotion, see St. Chapelle and then
reflect on the fact that Louis IX paid more for the
fraudulent relics he bought to house there than for the
church itself. Seine cruise is leem. Eiffel Tour, Montmarte,
Arc Triomphe, Pere Lachaise etc will burn a lot of time in
fraudulent relics he bought to house there than the church
itself cost. Seine cruise is leem. Eiffel Tour, Arc Triomphe,
Montmarte, Pere Lachaise etc will burn a lot of time in
transportation. --psb
a great place to walk around ... here is where the Templers
were burned, here is where the D'Artanian lived, this is
the church Louis IX built to house the fraudulent relics he
bought etc. --psb
\_ I would just wander the streets. If you do end up going to
Montmartre (I wouldn't), the Dali Museum there is pretty cool.
What interests you? Food, shopping, history, art, sex?
\_ Shopping doesn't interest me. History interests me, but not
to the extent that I'd go see the beaches of Normandy during
my vacation like my coworker spent 2 days doing. Versailles
would be cool, but there's just not time for that. I do like
art and I go to art museums everywhere I go, hence looking
up the Orsay. I like food, too, and I am told Paris has a
lot of good cheese.
\_ Musee Rodin is nice and small and usually not totally
packed on a weekday. Paris has lots of good cheap eats
(crepe stands, breakfast croissants, middle eastern food,
ham&cheese sandwiches). It's also nice to spend $5 on a cup
of tea and watch people go buy (you can do this pretty much
anywhere in Paris, some places better than others. L'Opera
is usually pretty crowded). I remember really liking
Madeleine. There's the cathedral and a really good, overpriced
chocolate shop on that street. You said you don't like
shopping, but you like food. In terms of generic sites,
Notre Dame is pretty centrally located. Eiffel Tower is way
out of the way. Georges Pompideau Center is also in a good
central area and will give you easy access to CDG.
\_ Mourn with families of Air France Flight 447 passengers and crew.
\_ This isn't funny. |
| 2009/4/10-20 [Reference/BayArea, Recreation/Food] UID:52840 Activity:moderate |
4/10 Is there a good soup noodle place (like Din Tai Fun) in the Bay Area?
I went to HC Dumpling today, which had pretty good soup noodles, but
it paled in comparison to the SGV.
\_ Corrected: I meant to ask for a soup dumpling (XLB) place! -op
\- yes, i have modeled you brain.
some what amusingly, i went from San Francisco to a famous
XLB place in the middle of chinatown in singapore, and when
i got there, it turned out they were closed (on Wednesday?!).
\- yes, i have modelled you brain.
\_ what do you mean by 'good soup noodle' ? Theres a good vietnamese
noodle place in milpitas area -- Pho Kim Long. -ERic
\_ Vietnamese place in the ranch 99 area in El Cerrito
\_ That place is called Saigon II and its is pretty good.
\_ Heheheh hehehe, he said fuk-him-long. -Beavis
\_ I've seen a chain called Pho King too.
\_ Hy Kai Mi Gia in the TL.
\_ Pho Tan Hoa in SF is good. The various TK noodle Houses are good
too.
\_ Did you know that TK Noodles is now different than TK Noodle
House? The brothers got into a fight and split their chains
both with the word TK Noodle in them. Also, TK Noodle is so
dot-com-ish, as retro as Boba Tea. Din Tai Fun is hip today,
kind of how Boba Tea was back in the 90s.
\_ http://www.metroactive.com/papers/metro/11.14.96/noodles-9646.html
\_ Tung Kee vs. New Tung Kee: http://www.csua.org/u/nyv
\_ I did, but I also knew the son who lived above the place
on Williams -!pp
\- If you are talking about thin skin XLB, YANK SING is the standard
for SF, but it is really quite expensive for DEEM SUM. For cheeper
there are a couple of options but not totally a stardard ...
Shanghai Dumpling King isnt bad. I thought a DTF branch was
going to open up in the Bay Area ... maybe in South Bay?
[assume you mean soup *dumpling* ... that is what DTF is known for]
There is also a decent shen jian bao place in a south bay
strip mall near the lawrence Fry's Costco etc.
\_ Yes, that's exactly what I was talking about. Yank Sing is
exactly what I was looking for, but maybe somewhere a little less
pricey. SDK (dumpling king) is on my list of places to try. Do
you know the name of the place near Costco? I'll check it out...
\- The place near Costco is something like SHANGHAI FLAVOR SHOP.
There special item there is the SHEN JIAN BAO. There is also
FU LAM MUM near the Mtn View train station ... not top flight
DEEM SUM but ok. Are you really looking in "the bay area" or
are you really looking in the south bay. There are also
supposed to be some good Sichian and other Chinese sub-genre
places in Milpetas/Fleemont but I havent been to them.
\_ SF would be preferable but I work in the South Bay so that
can work too. I'll see if I can check out Fu Lam Mum. How
does Ton Kiang compare to Yank Sing?
\- for XLB, YANK SING is the standard. for other DEEM SUM,
there are other options ... TON KIANG, the places in
\- for XLB, Yank Sing is the standard. for other DEEM SUM,
there are other options ... ton kiang, the places in
milbrae etc. BTW TPNTTK [aka "The Place Next To Ton
Kiang"] has some good stuff at good prices and there
are fewer WHITE PEOPLE waiting in line. However I think
are fewer White People waiting in line. However I think
they may have had an ownership or chef change so some
of the items like GIANT 60CENT FRIED OYSTERS may no
of the items like Giant 60cent Fried Oysters may no
longer be available. if you are in the sunset, here are
my greater china recommendations: TPNTTK, SHAGHAI
DUMPLING KING, SUPER PANDA KITCHEN, SPICES, ultra cheep
DA CAFE late night menu, possibly CREATIONS DESSERT.
my greater china recommendations: TPNTTK, Shaghai
Dumpling King, Super Panda Kitchen, Spices, ultra cheep
DA Cafe late night menu, possibly Creations Dessert.
TK is controversial ... i wouldnt veto it, but i wouldnt
pick it. you might also try the GIANT $1 PORK BUN at
CITY BAKERY at 20th and Noriega. if you commute down
the penisula, you can also analyze EVERYDAY BEIJING
FISH DUMPLINGS and SUNNY SHANGHAI XLB.
does Tom Kiang compare to Yank Sing?
pick it. you might also try the Giant $1 Pork Bun at
CITY BAKERY at 20th and Noriega.
\_ Awesome thanks! --psb #1 fan
\_ TPNTTK is called Golden River.
\_ Went to DTF on Saturday. Showed up at 10:30 and didn't have to
wait in line at all. Craziness. Someone mentioned that they opened
up another shop down the street. It was as good as I remember it...
-op |
| 2009/4/9-13 [Reference/BayArea, Recreation/Food] UID:52828 Activity:high |
4/9 Do they motd foodies have a SF/Berkeley/South Bay Food Guide?
Like... where to get a great grilled cheese sandwich, Dim Sum, or
where to take a stuck up date?
\_ yelp, jatbar
\_ Jatbar's ratings are insane.
\_ Jatbar's ratings are insane, yelp's are inane.
\_ yelp prefers large quantities of cheap food over quality,
in general.
\_ yelp is a microcosm of the Internet circa '99: self-selecting,
trying to be cool/hip, generally more noise than signal.
\- i get the sense yelp is a combination of younger people
with limited incomes looking for cheap food and drink
as you suggest and sex and the city types who are
interested in "scenes". and there are some READ_ONLY
users who use it for factual data.
\_ yelp totally sucks. in particular, i really hate yelpers. jatbar
is ok, but i'm specifically asking for rec's from those (eg psb)
who post on the motd. --psb #1 fan
\_ You should definitely get food recommendations from "my wife
cooks as well as fancy $30 restaurants" guy.
\- yelp has become a social web site, not a review site.
i think sites which are "space centric" [as in people have
the "yelp home page/space" rather than thread centric
invariably become about the people rather than the topics. |
| 2009/4/7-13 [Recreation/Food/Alcohol, Recreation/Food] UID:52821 Activity:kinda low |
4/7 Where can you get good food for $10? I went to an Italian restaurant
last night. Pizza/pasta was only $13 or so, but with an appetizer and
dessert the meal was over $50 (no drinks, 17% tip). And it was ok food,
with homemade gnocchi but didn't taste like anything that you couldn't
make at home with a little effort. No comparison to actual good Italian
restaurants (e.g. Bar Bambino, Delfina, SPQR) that are in the $30-50/pp
range... I'd rather have gone to Fuzio or Pasta Pomodoro and get
something quick. But I find it really hard to eat (except for Mexican
or Asian) for <$20. Even a decent pizza with a side salad runs around
$20 these days (e.g. Zachary's, Pizzaiolo, Pauline's, Little Star)...
\_ Good Fricken Chicken. Does Middle Eastern food count?
\_ Most Mexican places will cost less than that. Cuban, too. In
fact, I think you should look to ethnic cuisine of all types in
that price range. You will not do well to find European food in
that price range.
\_ What part of except Mexican wasn't clear?
\_ Even then dinner < 10 bucks a person is going to be hard.
After tax and tip that's about 7 dollars each. Even a
burrito and a drink is over that and let's face it, burritos
are good but if that's all you are eating out then you need
to expand your palate a bit.
\_ My girlfriend and I usually split something like an
enchilada or burrito plate and an appetizer and it comes
to less than $20 if you don't have any margaritas. We
are not big eaters and sometimes it's too much food even
when we split it. In college, we used to split the
burritos at La Fiesta and the hoagies at IB's. You can
get a pizza (easily) for less than $20, too.
\_ Dude, it's also not quality food by any streach of
the imagination.
\_ I didn't see the word 'quality' in the original RFP
but it's certainly 'good'.
\_ How much is the "spicy chicken over rice" at TC Garden these days?
Is that place still around? It used to be $3.25... or about $4
with tax and a 15% tip.
\_ TC Garden is one of the worst chinese restaurants I know of.
They use some sort of special sauce that's like nothing I've
ever had, and not in a good way. I say this as an asian who's
eaten in tons of different chinese restaurants growing up.
\_ I just got "The Fortune Cookie Chronicles", will report later
\_ Old Spaghetti Factory has a 40% off special on Tuesdays through
May. Which makes it about $6 before tax/tip for a complete meal.
There are various other chains with recession specials, probably
some at the $9.99 mark. I don't think you'll get any decent
non-chain Western food for <$10 unless it's a burger or something.
\_ Read Cheap Eats in the Bay Guardian.
\- to eat under $10 you need to do the following: 1. avoid paying
for service 2. you need to do time and/or space averaging. time
averaging = eat a can of soup or 99cent burgers, slice of pizza
etc for one meal and that will increase your budget for other meals.
space averaging means split with somebody else ... ideal for cheap
chinese to go food: since you can get 2 entrees and a soup or fried
rice/chow mein for a littl emore than $20. next you have to figure
out what are the best local options in a couple of categories:
prepared food bars, sanwiches, burritos, quesillas, tacos [if you
can find them for $1.50 or less], cheap hamburgers [nations, if you
like mayo, as an alternative to fast food. you can go up to
barney's level, but you cant do cafe rouge/900 grayson ... the
right thing depends on where you live but there will be some place
with a decent $5 burger], shawerma, indian/pakistani dives for
kebabs and chicken dishes + cheap rice = lots of calories. you also
can eat stuff like good bread and good buter/oil for very cheap in
berkeley. you can buy decent cheej, decent salted meats ...
obviously not roquefort and proscuitto [+$25/lb], but domestic
goat or blue or cheaper hard cheeses and say coppa, salami
[>$15/lbs]. oh and you have to avoid paying retain for alcohol.
\_ I think the op was saying $10/meal, not $10/day.
\- and ... ?? |
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4/7 Speaking of restaurants, I referred a friend to the Slanted Door
based on its stellar repuation. She called it 'The PF Chang's of
Vietnamese food'. Has it really gotten that bad or does she have
her head up her ass?
\_ Head. Ass. Up.
\_ Ya that's exactly it. But it's so much more expensive, I think you'd
probably be better off just going to PFC Hang's.
\_ You want Bong Su. 3rd and Harrison, opposite cha-at cafe.
\- BONG SU has exited the market. Try BODEGA BISTRO for fancier
stuff, or YUMMY YUMMY for CHEEP. YY is one of my fav restos.
BTW, SDOOR is the HIGHEST GROSSING RESTAURANT in SF:
http://www.rimag.com/info/ca6647983.html
\_ Pagolac is the best Vietnamese restaurant in SF and I have tried
them all, as my wife is Vietnamese. The Slanted Door is pretty
good and authentic, but you are mostly paying for the location.
\_ Thanks everyone for the recommendations, but my real question
is not "What's the best Vietnamese restaurant?" My question is
"Does Slanted Door serve bland Americanized Vietnamese that sucks?"
Only the last poster touched on that.
\_ I just talked to my wife about this and she pretty much agrees
with your friend. She says that it is not spicey enough, is too
healthy (not greasy enough) and doesn't have the home cooked
quality that good Vietnamese restaurant should have. She is
also annoyed that it costs so much, but I don't think that has
anything to do with the food quality, though it does effect her
perception of its authenticity. So I guess my taste buds aren't
as Vietnamized as I thought. I thought it was good, but
overpriced.
overpriced. -the last poster
\- i think there is a weird bias when it comes to one's native
food. i think paying $10 for a dosa is insane [i have had
good dosas for 20cents], but i think $15 for DEEM SUM is
totally reasonable for a filling brunch ... while friends
from HKG think that meal should have been $3-5.
\_ Probably. I am Mediterranean. I think most Mediterranean
restaurants blow big chunks. However, that's not the
same as thinking they are overpriced. I think the
price is about right. It's just that the food is bad.
Usually when a non-Med person recommends a restaurant
I can be pretty sure it's going to suck despite their
rave reviews and I don't factor price into it at all.
However, authentic doesn't always mean good. I like
non-authentic Mexican better than authentic, which was
made the way it was because of the available ingredients
at a given price. Given access to better ingredients I
feel it can be improved. This is what makes a lot of
fusion cooking so good even though it's passe to be
into fusion.
\- yes, i know higher standards arent the same as
price bias. i was talking about the "price anchoring".
yes, it is also a "standard problem" that chinese/VN/
indian/etc people think the avg chinese/vn/desi/etc
resto is so-so because of higher standards in the
homeland. somewhat ironically my mother in some ways
is more "forgiving" than i am when it comes to indian
restos because 1. my atttitude is often "you can cook
restos because my atttitude is often "you can cook
better than this at home and the food is free" and her
attitudes is "wow, i dont have to cook or pay".
i think this may in part be ingredients [for example
a cheap indian place here isnt going to be using
chez panisse quality tasty vegetables] while in india
a lot of those ingredients taste much better for lower
prices [like tomatos which havent been tweaked for
shipping and appearance]. but part of it is also
possible due to cooking talent ... there are lots
of ethnic family restos or amateurs going professional
[like a guy who was a cab driver now runs a quite
peopular indian eatery in SF], while back in the
homeland, you have a large professional pool to draw on.
authenticity and taste are obviously orthogonal.
(seriously, when i stay at my aunt's place in india,
95% of the routine not special occasion, not trying
hard dishes are better than 100% of the india resto
food i have had in the bay area, if we restrict to
comparable dishes. on the other hand, what indians
consider good pizza is bad, and average pizza is
inedible. it's amazing to see people i consider
quite good cooks getting excited at frozen pizza/
dominos level pizza. probably 95% of the (mexican)
mangos you get in the US would be rejected in asia).
with mexican food, a lot of my favorite items are so
simple, authenticity isnt a big factor, e.g. al pastor
tacos. but on the other hand, i think everything is
better with avocado, so i dont care whether real
tacos have guac or not.
authenticity and taste are obviously largely orthogonal.
conscious fusion [which tends to be a high end "chef"
phenomena] is a different matter than "adaptation".
is a cheap indian place uses celery [which i have never
ie a cheap indian place uses celery [which i have never
seen in east india] that is adapatation, i.e. using a
functional local equivalent [cheap filler vegetable],
not a case of "let's try this with a delicate celery
flavor".
\_ maybe the undergrads can write some s/w to identify
psb posts and index them and store them in a tomb.
-- psb #1 fan.
\_ http://7x7.com/blogs/bits-bites/slanted-door-15495332-rich
\- BTW there was a longish article about "supersize (banh) mi"
in NYC in the NYT earlier this week. |
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4/7 Anyone watches Iron Chef America? How did Mark Dacascos, a karate
and kung fu champion and action movie star, end up hosting a culinary
show?
\_ He succeeded William Shatner.
\_ maybe he got tired of playing injuns who die to white treachery |
| 2009/4/3-12 [Recreation/Food/Alcohol, Recreation/Food] UID:52794 Activity:high |
4/3 A few days back someone was advocating going to good restaurants over
saving money. I'm curious, I've never been to a really expensive
restaurant. (Over $30 per person.) In general I've found that once I
get beyond about $10 the food doesn't get any better, instead I start
paying for stuff I don't care about, like "atmosphere." Which
basically means I've rarely been to a restaurant where the food
wasn't both tastier and more healthy at home. At what price point does
the food quality start to increase again? Oh, and I don't like steak,
which may affect the pricing.
\_ Anything over $15/person is Gluttony. Seriously. Spending so much
time and effort on food is frivolous. You could spend the same
amount of effort on making society better. People who are self-
centered and are into self-indulgence are waaay too concerned about
food. Just look at the post below. It disgusts me.
-Zen guy, not really religious
\_ Food is like porn. You start with cheap bland stuff, then as you
gain experience you get into more hardcore stuff. Bland baby food,
then McD, then fine hotdog/pizza, then real hamburgers, then
New York Steak, then Filet Minon, then wine (light Shiraz->
medium Merlot->complex Cabernet), etc. Likewise, you look at
naked pictures of women, then noticed leg quality differences,
then noticed boob size differences, nipple size, their curvatures,
their vaginas, size of their vagina lips, then you want to get
into XXX, XXXX, etc. It just goes on and on. My point is like
any hobby the more exposure and knowledge you accumulate the
more hardcore and the more $$$ you get sucked into.
\_ You don't know much about Shiraz, but you sure know your porn.
\_ If you go to New York City, $30/person isn't extraordinary. Having
that said, I find that many city slickers and snooty urbanites love
food and are willing to spend a lot of money on food, whereas
people from the mid-west and south don't spend as lavishly on food.
\_ If you think 30 bucks/person is "really expensive" I'm not sure
I trust your experiance with high end restaurants. Now I love food
and I love to cook, and I know full well a lot of places are
way over priced. But still, there are damn good restaurants where
you can eat some damn good food. Often it's stuff you just can't
make at home, or an attention to detail you need years of training
and a level of talent most people just don't have. If it's not
your thing, that's great, but don't think that there's not a reason
good restaurants cost a significant amount. (And as I said before,
yes there are plenty of places that charge way too much for crap,
and some of them seem to be able to stay around for a long ass time,
but then again, there's always suckers. Look at Monster Cable.)
\_ Oh, I see, you can't read can you? Your posts make sense now.
\_ 1. This depends on how good of a chef you are for one thing.
Alice Waters cooks just fine at home. Many people are not
good cooks.
2. Do you mean over $30 for an entree or over $30 total?
3. A big difference between expensive and cheap is the quality
of the ingredients. Did the beans come out of a can or from
the field? Is the shrimp fresh or frozen? Is the beef USDA
Prime or USDA Select? Usually fresh ingredients taste better.
4. Maybe you just don't have a good palate. I know my dad doesn't.
It's all pretty much the same to him. Most people can
recognize the difference between Olive Garden for $10 and
a nice Italian restaurant like Acquerello. The dishes are more
complex, the ingredients not only fresher but more unusual
(e.g., you won't find truffles at Olive Garden), and the food is
prepared more carefully (e.g, not overcooked or burned).
\_1. I'm an OK cook, my wife is really good.
2. I don't usually get anything but an entree because I don't eat
very much, and don't drink, so it's about the same to me. I was
thinking of total though.
3. I think this is often the problem. I don't think I've been many
places that use really fresh ingredients, where as we use really
good stuff at home.
4. I certainly don't have the palate my wife has, she can pick
an amazing amount of detail about each dish (each ingredient,
etc.) But I can usually tell what's fresh. It's probably
a combonation of 1 and 3.
\_ If your wife is a good cook and you are buying good quality
ingredients, than probably the food you get at home is
generally just as good or even better than a $30/person
restaurant. That is certainly the case in my home.
\_ Ditto in my case except I can't brag to my yuppie DINK
friends about how much knowledgeable I am with food
and how well we eat.
\_ There is one easy solution for that: throw a dinner
party. You have to talk your wife into this of course.
\_ You guys are kidding yourselves. My wife is an
excellent cook who can make a lot of
restaurant-quality dishes (we eat a lot of Julia
Child recipes) and we are not so silly as to believe
that we eat better than at a good restaurant just
because a few dishes turn out as good or better - and
when they do they are incredibly time-consuming (take a
whole day or more) and expensive (sometimes just $40 in
ingredients for a single course). You just need to up
the quality of the restaurants you eat at, admit you
don't have a good palate, or maybe you are one of
those people who just like simple foods better. Nothing
wrong with that. My parents don't really get into
a lot of the haute cuisine and just want mashed
potatoes and a chicken breast and that's what they
order when we go out most of the time. We could
make that at home, like you say.
\_ Most $30/person restaurants in SF just aren't
really that fancy. My wife is Vietnamese and
what she makes takes some time, but is at least
as good as what you would get at Slanted Door.
I have been to Masa's and La Folie and Aqua and
yeah, they were a whole different experience, but
I also spent $200/person at Aqua.
\_ And yet an entree at Aqua is only about $30.
I, too, spend about $150-200 per person when
I dine out, but that's just because I order
a lot of different dishes along with wine.
Just because some restaurants are bad doesn't
mean that anything over $10 is diminishing
returns and you may as well dine at home,
which was the original supposition. If your
wife is cooking like Masa's every night you
need to set that woman up with a restaurant.
http://www.masasrestaurant.com/masas_nine.htm
http://www.masasrestaurant.com/masas_menu_three_course.htm
\_ No, I just said the opposite of that, that
"they were a whole different experience."
With wine and tip, $30/person restaurants
are places like Chow or Zuni Cafe or Encanto,
all of which are fine, but nothing special.
I drink wine with dinner at home, so I can't
imagine why I shouldn't include that cost
when I dine out. Some things are impractical
to make at home, like Dim Sum and are well
worth the value. Which restaurants are between
$30-$150/person and well worth the value from
a taste standpoint? Farallon, La Ciccia, maybe
some sushi places, I can't think of much else,
but I also don't tend to spend that much money
on dinner. Oh, I am obviously not the original
poster.
\- You pick some hard to lump together restos.
Chow does the kinds of comfort food you can
do at home. But it is quite reasonably
priced, so unless you really enjoy cooking,
it is a reasonable place to go [I really
like the short rib dish there for $12-$15].
Zuni is a place with "buzz" ... that is in
part what you are paying for ... for a
night out, not just a plate of food.
Encanto [sic -> Incanto], is exactly the
kind of place that is going to make stuff
you are not going to make at home [like
tuna heart, cockscombs etc]. Farallon is
passe and frankly it was not that food
focused ... it was partly "Disney" and
partly Sex and the City.
\_ Any recommendations?
\- what are your parameters?
\_ They were in the previous post.
$30-150/person and worth the cost
from a food taste standpoint.
\-panda country kitchen, china
village [solano av], for DEEM
SUM the place next to ton kiang,
village [solano av], "the place
next to ton kiang [DEEM SUM],
poc chuc -- upper mission, red
jade, osteria del forno
jade, osteria del forno, chinese
laundry aka jai yun ... maybe
little star pizza, han il kwan,
lers ros, bodega bistro, maybe
lahore karahi.
\_ I think you just need to try a better restaurant than
you have in the past. As the guy above said, if you
think $30 is expensive then maybe you haven't had that
many good meals. Not every restaurant charging $34 for
an entree is good, though. Go to some reknowned for
high quality fish and creative dishes. Maybe a place
like Gary Danko or (if it's still good) Masa's and order
the more unusual dishes (especially the tasting menu).
People who go to a high end restaurant and order chicken
may as well have eaten at home. Get squab or grass eel or
caviar blinis or pureed leek soup or something your wife
doesn't usually whip up except on special occasions.
\- I dont think there is especially any reason to cultivate
"expensive" restaurants ... espcially if you are not big on
fancy wine/drink, fancy cheej, "premium" ingredients like foie gras,
truffle etc. Also, I never go to fancy places without friends
I like ... so the social aspect of dining is a big part of the
experience for me ... more so than the "atmosphere". However,
there are definitely dining experiences you cant get at home
and if you are interested food at all, it's worth doing some
research. For example you can try the fancy cheej at home.
For example you can have very interesting chinese,
or thai food in the $30 range. There are places with better
pizza than you can make in your home oven ... like say Pizzalio.
The research part of this is going to the good places instead of
the so-so places ... in the case of chinese restaurants, these
places are often basically the same price or maybe 20% more
expensive [as long as we arent talking high end asian sea food].
So the question you should be asking yourself is "what *kinds*
of cuisine do i like that i cant get at home" ... "expensive" isnt
a kind of food. once you figure out what you want to chase, then
you can start doing the research to optimize price-performance ...
for example i am willing to pay for high end french, but generally
not a fan of paying for high end sushi. and if you dont know what
you like in terms of asian, latin american, african, french, sushi,
steak, pizza, italian, middle eastern ... you can start doing
"research" at modest places. BTW, high end food isnt just about
ingredient sourcing ... there are lots of complicated dishes or
desserts which are not reasonable to make at home because of the
complexity (short of seeing it as a "project"), unless possibly
complexity (short of seeing it has a "project"), unless possibly
if you cook a lot and keep stuff like demi-glace on hand, or have
specialized pastry equipment and ingredients. and of course there
is cheep stuff you also probably wont make at home ... tandoori,
(high temp oven) pizza, al pastor, shawerma, DEEM SUM (XLB) etc.
specialized pastry equipment and ingredients.
if you live in the bay area and have some discretionary income,
why dont you just ask for recommendations.
\_ Thanks for writing this. I think cuisine is a good starting
point. And Pizzaiolo (or Pauline's or Little Star)
is a good example of the difference between a $10 meal and a
$25 meal. Cheese Board is a $10 meal which proves that price may
be correlated with quality, but not necessarily so. Start with
a cuisine you like but don't cook at home (e.g. pizza, Mexican,
Chinese, Indian) and find what you like. Actually, a lot of
ethnic foods aren't very expensive for pretty good stuff. It's
a lot of the European foods (and sushi) that can get expensive
very quickly.
\_ Re: High end sushi: There's expensive sushi and very good
sushi, but it's hard to know the difference without having
experienced very good sushi. Unless you're a connosieur,
Isobune or Samurai Boat is probably just fine. If you're a
reincarnated sushi chef, order the omakase at Sushi Sho on
Solano, but _don't_ add wasabi or soy sauce unless he tells
you to-- and don't be surprised when the bill tallies $70+
per person.
\_ $70/person is not a lot for high-end sushi.
\- or for $88k, you can buy Sushi Sho
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/reb/1109818860.html
\_ GODDAMNIT.
\_ ok. So where are you going to find a sushi chef?
\_ When I eat dinner with my friends in Manhattan and Brooklyn, the
bill always comes out $25-$40 per person, and I start missing
La Fiesta. - danh
\_ When my friend's sister visited from London for a week, her and
\_ When my friend's sister visited from London for a week, she and
her husband ate Mexican food 8 times in 7 days. You're not alone. |
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2/23 Libertarian proves you don't have to eat lots of junk carbs to live
within food stamp budget. http://www.freecolorado.com
Anecdotally, my friend's family went on food stamps a while back. They
were amazed at how much fancy stuff they were able to afford on
food stamps that they were never able to have before.
\_ Yes, food in america is cheap cheap cheap. However it's a lot
easier to eat good food for cheap when you have a decent kitchen,
time to shop, time to cook, and the will and nutritional
knowledge needed to eat well. The guy did this for 7 days to
prove a point. That's a lot different from doing it every day.
As to your friend on food stamps isn't that the whole point?
\_ Well, he was responding the arguments that people on food stamps
cannot afford to eat heathily, so the allotments must be
increased.
Certainly it's true that it's easier to eat well if you know how,
how exactly does that relate to food stamps in this case? Is
your argument that food stamps don't just need to finance eating
well, but eating convinently as well?
Finally, when I say they were never able to have such good food
before, I mean, even when he had a decent paying job. I don't
think the point of food stamps is to keep people in caviar.
More details on his diet: (Includes why I think it is quite
sustainable for more than 7 days.)
http://csua.org/u/nmf
\_ From http://www.dss.cahwnet.gov/foodstamps/PG846.htm
"The average amount of food stamp benefits received per
household is about $200 per month."
Note. Per household. $200 a month for multiple people.
\_ Well yeah, most people have other income as well and
don't qualify for the full benefits.
\_ I'm so glad you've brought the pressing problem of food stamps
to our attention! Why worry about our melting economy or those
insolvent banks - the real trouble is a few million bucks we're
giving to poor people!
\_ Right! Let's just go over the same topics over and over again!
Only the important stuff! Where's masturbation guy?
\_ I don't know about this guy, b
\_ those assholes. EATING things.
\_ I'll bet that sounded really funny in your head.
\_ Let me tell you, growing up on food stamps, they were plenty
when the kids were little, but once there was a bunch of teenage
boys in the house, there was never enough food. Any mom was good
boys in the house, there was never enough food. And mom was good
at buying cheap things like rice and beans and stretching the
food dollar. We even grew and raised some of our own. This was
a long time ago though, things might be different now, but I
doubt it.
\_ Hello brother. You and I both benefited from social programs
and we both ended up ok. Without it, I'd be malnutritioned.
I'm a product of social programs and I strongly believe in
social programs for the poor. Fuck all these "low taxes for
me, every man for himself" self reliant fuck tards. Fuck
y'all
\_ No kidding. I got free lunch and during high school free
breakfast as well and I worked every summer after I turned
14 in a restaurant and pretty much half-time after I turned
16 and I *still* barely got enough to eat.
\_ Ok but why were your parents having "a bunch" of kids that they
cannot provide for? I'm sure you enjoy existing, but surely
you can see the problem there. Society should not be obligated
to provide for everybody's kids.
\_ Food insecurity is what makes governments fall. Even if you
like the idea of kids starving because it fits your
ideological purity, I don't think you will like the rioting
that will occur in response.
\_ There are responses to rioters that are not all that
pleasant to said rioters. It's not a one way street.
\_ It's still not a pleasant place to live for anyone.
I, for one, have no interest in living under martial
law.
\_ Hmm, I surprised they don't account for that. It's pretty well
known that teenagers eat 1.5-2x as much as adults.
\_ look, $4.74 per person per day for food is bare minimum
subsistence, however you look at it.
\_ I thought it was pretty obvious it wasn't. I mean, it's
a lot less than most of us use, but that doesn't make it
'bare-minumum.' I largely find this kind of thing
interesting because it shows how far from bare-minimum
most of us are living.
So, according to the straight dope, one can get all the
nutrients one needs from a diet consisting entirely of
potatos, milk, and oatmeal. Which is the diet most of
Ireland was eating prior to the potato famine. That
sounds more like bare-minimum, and it's a whole heck of a
lot less than $4.74 a day. Not that I think that we should
force food stamp recipients to live on dairy and potatos.
I'm just defining bare-minimum.
\_ Please. The Straight Dope article has you eating
8 pounds of potatoes and drinking two gallons of milk
a day. No sane person would consider that a reasonable
diet.
By the way: The US RDA has an interesting history,
and it has only a tenuous connection to health. -tom
and only a tenuous connection to health. -tom
\_ Awesome.
\_ so you agree that Big Government failed in this case?
\_ In what case, defining RDA? The problem with
RDA is not how it was created, it's in how
people think about it. -tom
\_ Two gallons of milk a day is going to cost more than
$4.74 all by itself.
\_ This guy has a lot of advantages that most poor people
do not: he can walk to a good grocery store with a wide
selection of food at reasonable prices, for example.
Most poor neighborhoods are underserved by grocery
stores and if you live in rural areas, you have to drive,
which can get really expensive, or you can take the bus,
which pretty much takes up all your time.
stores and if you live in rural areas, you have to
drive, which can get really expensive, or you can take
the bus, which pretty much takes up all your time.
\_ And has a decent kitchen. With stuff like
a pot that can hold a whole turkey carcass to
make stock. But that's not important to
Mr. I've Got It Good So Fuck the Poor. |
| 2009/1/13-22 [Recreation/Food] UID:52369 Activity:nil |
1/13 I need to make a main dish that starts with 'U' for a potluck. All
I've come up with is Udon and Unagi. Neither of which really work
for a potluck. Any suggestions?
\_ Umeboshi. Uno pizza. Uni. Urchin. Ethnic food from Uganda or
Ukraine or Urugray, or the United States of America for that matter.
Any new dish you invent with a label "U name it!".
Any new dish you invent with a label "Unameit".
\_ Unmeatloaf?
\_ Sounds unamerican.
\_ Ugli fruit
\_ That's not a potluck, it's a pot-stupid
\_ Upside down cake.
\- Upma, Uttapam, udder tacos [i am not making that up,
YMWTGF(taco, ubre)]
\_ Uncle Ben's (yes I cheated) http://www.unclebens.com/recipes
\_ Ultra Slimfast or unleavened bread |
| 2008/12/16-29 [Recreation/Food, Recreation/Travel] UID:52257 Activity:low |
12/15 I am considering a January trip to some quiet/smallish beach community
(not mega resort) on the Pacific Coast of Mexico [Jalisco, Michoacan,
Guerrero or Oaxaca] ... does anybody have a recommendation of where to
go for a week or so?
\_ Why no cities in Baja which are overall cleaner and safer?
Acapulco was a destination city years ago, but I hear it is
kind of scummy now.
\_ Because I have been to Baja, and I am meeting somebody in
Mexico City. I'm not worried about safety issues. BTW,
supposedly Northern Baja is now considered somewhat unsafe,
although it is not clear to me that isnt internet amplification
of a couple of stories rather than a real change in conditions
on the ground.
\_ I am a little unclear on what you want to do there. Just beachcomb?
Fish? Go to some nightclubs? I have only been to this region a
couple of times, so I am not really an expert, but I can ask
my brother, as he goes fishing down there all the time.
\- i want to sit in a nice looking place which is a reasonable
temperature and eat unhealthy cheap tacos, steak and fresh
seafood. i'm not interested in seeing cultural patrimony,
paragliding, getting wasted etc. if snorkling is an option,
might do that, but not that important. but i dont want to
be in a one restaurant, one hotel, one bar town. puerto escondido
was recommended. thanks.
\_ from my brother, sorry for the formatting:
What type of experience are you looking for? Are you looking
for a small mexican beach town or more of a secluded resort?
They have both north of Puerto Vallarta. I loved Mar Y Sol
Hotel at Jacarandas 8 Rincon De Guayabitos, it is a small
mexican beach town, a few Candians but few americans.
Resonable prices and decent hotels right on the beach. A think
we got a one bedroom suite for around $100 a night. Good
fishing, a great restraunt on the bluff top, warm water and
many of the touristy things just small and more oriented to
mexicans. They had a great beach, shrimp kabob salesmen,
simple...about an hour and half north of Puerto Vallarta.
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For a more seculded expereince there is a great small resort
near San Francisco, Nayrit, Mexico. The one I was very
impressed with seemed to cater more to the surfers but there
were several quality, small resorts there. For luxury you
can't beat the Four Season's in Punta Mita, Nayrit, Mexico.
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I love them all including Puerto Vallarta,I found a small,
adults only resort that I liked very well there called Villa
Premiere. Great beach, decent pool and you can walk down to
the Malceon at night. There are all kinds of great
performers, musician and other curio.
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I also Love, Love, Love, Playa de Carmen an hour or so south
of Cancun. That place is full of small resorts right in town.
The town is incredibly charming and has a europen fell. There
are small places to eat right on the beach, awesome, neat
little shops. Touristy but small and personable.
\- detailed feedback appreciated. i'll research those.
BTW, one question: what vintage is your brother's info?
last 2-3 yrs? >5yrs ago? the first time i heard of "nayarit"
was like a month ago. i thought it was a place in say thailand.
\_ Pretty recent, he goes fishing down there like half a dozen
times a year.
\_ Seconded Playa del Carmen, but that's not on the Pacific, which
was the original request.
\_ Was disappointed w/ Playa Del Carmen, but I didn't stay there.
Seemed like it was nice a few years ago and then got over-developed
and is now becoming ane extension of Cancun. This is from May.
Several years ago I went to Oaxaca City (very inland) and then
spent a few days coastal (Puerto Escondido / Huatulco). PE is a
sleepy surfer town and Huatulco is a nice, quiet, resort town. I
went in the low season (June) and all the tourists were local
Mexicans. If you like food, in Mexico City/DF I highly recommend
Fonda el Refugio in Zona Rosa. It's the bomb (San Angel Inn is
nice but way out of town, and too Euro-influenced). |
| 2008/12/11-13 [Recreation/Food] UID:52232 Activity:high |
12/11 Can we get some insightful thoughts on Chu's nomination? Plenty of
people here work(ed) at LBNL at some point.
\_ he's clearly smart, and seems pretty well-respected as an
administrator. Only question I'd have is whether he's
too enamored of technology, i.e., the BP grant is basically
genetic engineering to make biofuel more feasible, which has
the potential to cause as many problems as it solves. All the
low-hanging fruit is in conservation. -tom
\_ Chu was a dinner with a friend of mine and at the end of the
meal he said "are you going to eat that" and after she said
"no" he took her plate and ate the rest of her dinner. So he
clearly believes in conservation.
\_ A friend of mine was at dinner with Chu ... at the end of
dinner he asked "are you going to finish that?" and then
grabbed her plate and shoveled the leftovers on to his own
and ate it up. So clearly he believes in conservation.
\_ A friend of mine was at restaurant dinner with Chu. At the
end of the meal he asked her "are you going to finish that?"
and then took her plate and shovelled the rest of the food
on to his plate and finished it. So we know he believes in
conservation.
\_ Is he a spy from CHINA? |
| 2008/11/6-13 [Recreation/Food] UID:51853 Activity:nil |
11/6 I just found out the challah we eat is made by Contenental
Food in Southern California, hand rolled by a bunch of Mexicans.
Food for thought. mageil harah!
\_ And why is this interesting?
\_ it's interesting because someone needs to bless it. it's
interesting if you actually eat challah.
\_ So... it's not interesting at all -a jewish sodan
\_ challah's pretty decent with cheese and sausage fondue. |
| 2008/10/9 [Politics/Domestic/California, Recreation/Food] UID:51455 Activity:high |
10/9 What's the point of treating animals nicely and then kill them
for consumption at the end?
\_ Because some people care about not causing suffering. Just
because they are going to be food doesn't mean they need to
live painful, miserable lives until then.
\_ So how is the new CA prop going to affect prices at
Ruth's Chris? -animal lover. yummy
\_ I don't know about this prop myself. I generally figure
chicken farmers know more about chickens than I do. The
guy I talked to said that chickes seem to prefer
individual smallish cages, there's no fighting for one thing.
I'm not sure how small you can go before it's too small though.
I've noticed that animal right's types tend to over
anthropromorphize animals. I haven't fully read the prop yet
either though.
\_ I don't know how I'm voting on 2 (I suspect I'm going to
vote no on the hate initiatives that are made feel good
vote no on the hate initiatives that are made to feel good
platform.) But I do understand giving a shit about how
food animals are raised.
\_ Nicely raised animals probably yeild more/higher quality meat b/c
they get sufficient nourishment and can better fight off diseases.
But on a purely philosophical level, there is no point. -vegetarian
\_ Animals that are stressed do not yield high quality products.
Kobe beef get a lot of special care and look at the prices
versus the poor cows made to wallow in their own shit. The Kobe
beef has a lot of marbling that other beef does not. If you've
ever raised animals you'd know that you need to take care of
them or else you will get sick, stressed animals. Maybe you
want to eat sick animals which are then pumped full of
antibiotics to 'heal' them but I don't.
\_ People die too eventually -- why treat them nicely?
\_ I didn't know there are cannibals on soda. -- !OP
\_ Why does it make a difference whether you eat the dead
thing or not? |
| 2008/9/30 [Recreation/Food] UID:51334 Activity:nil |
9/30 SMALL BIZ FACE RUIN IF BAILOUT FAILS
thanks Republican free marketers. I will eat dogma instead of food
in coming end times. |
| 2008/9/18-23 [Health, Recreation/Food] UID:51229 Activity:nil |
9/18 Does anyone find Domino's Pizza commercial offensive? There's
this pencil looking rapper dude that looks like a condom on a
dick, and he speaks ghetto and has really realy ghetto
offensive rapper dick gesters:
PROSTITUTE! PROSTITUTE! (woman whacks it) PROSTIPLAYA-HATAH!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzF-60bExc8
\_ "Pasta Dude! Pasta Dude!" He's saying his name. Mind you,
it's still way the hell past dumb. More here:
http://csua.org/u/mei (Mo'Kelly Report)
\_ I'm still thinking prostitute even though he mumbled
pasta dude. I think it's intentional.
\_ Thanks, this really cracked me up. It does look like the Mom
whacked it right when it started jacking off or something.
\_ Exactly. This is really ghetto and offensive. A dildo
raps and jacks off in front of the kids. I really really
find this commercial disgusting. -op
\_ Sorry, op, not seeing annything but dumb here. |
| 2008/9/10-12 [Recreation/Food] UID:51123 Activity:low |
9/10 To any stir-frying experts: every time I make my stir fries with chicken,
no matter how thinly I slice it, it comes out rubbery and chewy. How
can I make them softer? I don't think I can slice them any thinner (1/8")
Thanks.
\_ Marinate the chicken first.
\_ I do that already (rice vinegar, oil, soy sauce) -op
\_ Cut the chicken across the grain, cook the chicken at high heat, with\
enough oil that it doesn't stick...the more the merrier. Set aside
the chicken and cook the rest of your ingredients. Add the chicken
back in right before making your sauce. -scottyg
\_ Your're missing corn starch. -- !PP
\_ http://www.tigersandstrawberries.com/2006/01/16/stir-fry-technique-ten-steps-to-better-wok-cookery
\_ Cut the chicken across the grain, cook the chicken at high heat,
with enough oil that it doesn't stick...the more the merrier. Set
aside the chicken and cook the rest of your ingredients. Add the
chicken back in right before making your sauce. -scottyg
\_ Gay Code Detected
\_ What the fuck does that mean? Learn to cook. -op
\_ Ha! That's funny. Playing with your meat is always gay.
Actually I'm a vegetarian, but I read a lot of Molecular
Gastronomy text, and I used to be a chef for years. -scottyg |
| 2008/8/29-9/3 [Recreation/Food, Finance/Investment] UID:50999 Activity:nil |
8/29 I'm a Googler. I'm also one of the most senior Googlers and I
barely joined in 2005. A bunch of old timers, esp. those before
2003 dumped their options a while ago. One guy I know became a real
estate developer. Another started his own coffee shop. Another guy
is traveling around the world. There were also quite a few who went
in stealth mode trying to start their own companies. Ya know, when
a bunch of old farts realized they could pursue their lifelong dreams
without financial worries, they simply dumped their stocks and did
what anyone else would do. Pursuing their dreams. Most of them loved
pre 2004 Google but wanted to pursue their dreams even more. I presume
this is common everywhere else even Microsoft in the heydays. People
may call the liquidation of stocks "insider trading." I think it's
normal in a successful company that has become too successful. Ya
know, I joined late and I'm not a millionaire, but if I were in
their shoes, I'd do the exact same thing. I'd love to open up my own
coffee shop. I hate tech. Fuck tech. Bye for now.
\_ Coffee shops are not capital intensive enterprises. You probably can
own one if you want to. Joe Blow employee is not usually an insider,
by the way. We're talking about officers, directors, board
members, and so on.
\_ But living well on the income from a coffee shop is hard. It
is nice to be able to do somthing you want to do and not have
to worry about making money. |
| 2008/8/14-19 [Recreation/Food] UID:50869 Activity:nil |
8/13 Do you like Breakfast at Tiffany's more or Breakfast Club?
I know it's apple & orange but just tell us what you prefer.
\_ Geez. One features a screen legend and the other gives us
Emilio Estevez. Breakfast Club is okay if you were the right
age at the right time, but Breakfast at Tiffany's is a classic.
\_ My thoughts exactly! -!op
\_ Yeah, and one has a completely racist portrayal of an Asian
man and the other doesn't. John Hughes FTW.
\_ Of course John Hughes did give us The Donger.
\_ On the other hand, the asian guy is the only good person in
the whole movie.
\_ How is he "good"?
\_ It's been a while since I saw the movie, so I might be
mixed up, but as I recall he was the only hard working,
honest, intelligent person in the movie.
\_ How is the male gigalo not hard working and
honest? He has to put up with shit from old
women to make a living, is that not hard working?
\_ Wait, there is a gigalo in The Breakfast Club?
Why don't I remember that part?
\_ They have the exact same rating at IMDB so they must both be
about equally as good. |
| 2008/8/1-5 [Recreation/Food, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea] UID:50756 Activity:nil |
7/31 NK food crisis redux
http://csua.org/u/lzp
\_ Koreans have been doing this for so long
that I don't give a shit anymore. |
| 2008/7/25-30 [Recreation/Food/Alcohol, Recreation/Food] UID:50690 Activity:moderate |
7/25 Yay! CA has banned trans-fat! Now if only the legislature could make
all of my decisions. Oh, and pass a budget that spends less than it
takes in. Thanks progressives for the new prohibition, 100 years after
the last one.
\_ Schwarzenegger is a progressive? -tom
\_ The legislature is--the girly-man Gov. just wants to be liked.
\_ did they include a budget for enforcement? How did they think they
would implement this.
\_ I wouldn't think it would require much money for enforcement.
It's just another box for the health inspector to check.
\_ Is it just restaurants or also packaged food in stores?
\_ "a ban on trans fats in restaurants and retail baked goods"
Both of which are already check for lots of stuff, so,
while I think it's silly, I don't think it's going to
cost much to the gvt.
\_ Does that include twinkies or not?
\_ Right now you can't add rat poison to baked goods either. Not
even if you put "tasty tasty rat poison" in the list of
ingredients. How much do you think that costs to enforce?
There is not going to be a transfat division added to police
forces across the state. Instead it's one more thing that
it is illegal to add to food. If a company does and labels it
as transfat gee, that will be pretty obvious SO THEY WON'T.
If a company does and doesn't label it they will be breaking
labeling laws (which are pretty harsh) SO THEY WON'T. Small
bakers may get away with using transfats for a while but
1. that's not a big deal state healthwise and 2. over time
bakeries will stop, because it's not worth the trouble.
\_ Why don't they ban something that actually affects other
people like SMOKING and let people eat whatever the hell
they want to eat?
\_ Bill Gates is working on that. I wonder if humanity
suffers more from diseases caused by years of eating
trans fats, or from smoking? hard to say.
\_ I don't really care to protect humanity from itself. I
just don't want to choke on other people's smoke.
\_ You can continue to eat all the transfats you want. You
just won't get them in mass-produced food items. Your
choice to kill yourself with transfats has not been
impinged; the option to soak other people in them
without their consent has. Opt-in fat good.
\_ My choice to use whatever ingredients I want in my
food (as a manufacturer) has been impinged. There is no
evidence transfats are intrinsically bad for your
health. If you eat too many of them and exercise too
little they aren't good for you but neither are sugar,
beer, and coffee. You can overdose on water even.
This is selectively discriminating against an ingredient
for arbitrary reasons.
\_ Your "rights" as a manufacturer are already subject
to regulation (cf "rat poison" above). If your
argument is with the arbitrary nature of the ban,
that's different from "let[ting] people eat
whatever the hell they want to ear."
\_ Rat poison is hardly the same thing as transfats.
\_ "There is no evidence that transfats are
intrinsically bad for your health"??? You should
educate yourself on the topic, the AMA and NAS
disagree with you on this.
\_ What is the health risk of eating transfats? None
at all. Did we ban saturated fats? Should we
ban baking with butter, too? Eat too much of
them and exercise too little and you will get
sick. However, a healthy person can eat a
transfat-laden muffin with no ill effects.
Maybe we should ban steak. It's laden with
saturated fats *and* unlabeled as such! I
never knew!
\_ "from a nutritional standpoint, the consumption
of trans fatty acids results in considerable
potential harm but no apparent benefit."
-New England Journal of Medicine
"...any incremental increase in trans fat
intake increases the risk of heart disease."
-NAS Dietary Reference
Should I take the advice of these two peer
reviewed experts or anonymous motd hozer?
Hmmm...
\_ "from a nutritional standpoint, the
consumption of vodka results in
considerable potential harm but no
apparent benefit."
"...any incremental increase in cheesesteaks
intake increases the risk of heart
disease."
Clearly we need to ban cheesesteaks and
vodka.
\_ And yet we don't let people sell
rubbing alcohol as a cheap vodka
substitute.
\_ Weak.
\_ Actually, there are numerous studies
indicating that moderate alchohol
consumption is salubrious. And cheese
steaks in moderation are good for you,
too. I agree with your main point, that
people should be allowed to poison
themselves, but you are not arguing from
the facts here. Transfat is worse for
you than white sugar, even.
\_ Transfat is, arguably, no worse for
you than saturated fat. In fact,
many studies have credited transfats
for lowering risk of heart disease as
substitutes for saturated fats. Sure,
some studies say saturated fats are
worse, which is why I use the term
"arguably". Certainly saturated fats
are very unhealthy and there is no
cry to ban them. Transfats have
become the boogeymen du jour. BTW, I
seriously doubt vodka has any positive
benefits. Wine, sure. Vodka, I doubt.
Maybe as a blood thinner if that's a
positive thing for you. |
| 2008/6/9-12 [Recreation/Food] UID:50197 Activity:nil |
6/9 Money-losing Senate restaurants to go private
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gMmFHV249e34tf41zW-VAzylknXgD916O0781
"A private review commissioned by Feinstein found that the Senate
operation had no strategy for improvement other than price increases." |
| 2008/6/4-8 [Recreation/Food] UID:50151 Activity:nil |
6/4 I will eat lunch today even if doing so causes the apocalypse.
\_ So did you? I dont recall any apocalypse happening an its after
lunch time.
\_ I haven't had lunch yet. --someone else |
| 2008/5/29-6/1 [Recreation/Food] UID:50090 Activity:nil |
5/29 Thanks for the ethanol folks! Try getting beef now.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601081&sid=axIrowbBQ7fo
\_ Thanks for the people living in SUBURBS who are consuming
more ethanol than everyone else!
\_ Wow, ethanol has a plus! Corn fed beef on feedlots are pretty
much the same as those chickens down below. Beef aren't supposed
to live on corn, they aren't made for it. And factory meat
farming is why we have vast toxic rivers of antibiotic ridden
cowshit poluting our groundwater. |
| 2008/5/28-31 [Recreation/Food] UID:50079 Activity:nil |
5/28 Looking for exotic restaurants that serve stuff like BUGS.
http://www.typhoon.biz/dinnermenu.html
Recommendations? Thanks.
\_ http://preview.tinyurl.com/4gcdcb
Grasshopper tacos.
\_ http://preview.tinyurl.com/4gcdcb . Grasshopper tacos.
\_ Any new shady Indian restaurant in Berkeley.
\_ Man, that looks good! Thanks! |
| 2008/5/23-31 [Recreation/Food, Reference/Military, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea] UID:50045 Activity:nil |
5/23 http://www.christiangunowner.com/handgun_shooting_stance.html URL says it all. \_ Ok? Who cares? What's your point? \_ http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24818417 S Koreans hate US beef \_ Dude, there are protests in Korea all the time. There's always a protest going on somewhere over something. Farmers against lowering food tariffs is a pretty normal one. -jrleek \_ Is US beef shipped to S Korea cheaper than local Korean beef? \_ Yes. S. Korea has little aritable land and mostly small family farms. |
| 2008/5/2-8 [Recreation/Food] UID:49878 Activity:nil |
5/2 Americana at Brand Opens in Glendale! Hooray! -dimwit #1 fan
http://ktla.trb.com/news/local/ktla-americana-brand,0,982049.story |
| 2008/5/1-5 [Recreation/Food] UID:49872 Activity:moderate |
5/1 Is there a word to describe people who are intensively fond or
desirous of good food? Thx.
\_ Epicureans? Also, perhaps, glutton, but gluttony doesn't
imply choosiness in the food.
\_ epicureanism implies a love or knowledgeable enjoyment
especially of good food and drink
\_ how about gourmet?
\_ Foodie
\_ foodie
n : a person devoted to refined sensuous enjoyment (especially
good food and drink) [syn: {epicure}, {gourmet},
{gastronome}, {bon vivant}, {epicurean}]
\_ If they really know something about it, foodie.
If they talk a lot but really have no clue, dilettante.
\_ What's the word for people who will eat just about anything?
\_ If "foodie" is the word you were looking for earlier,
how about "fattie"?
\_ Megacoprovore -- someone who eats lots of shit
\_ Hungry.
\_ In Cantonese we call them "trash cans".
\_ Garbage disposal or black hole
\_ Gourmand
\_ This seems to be the best. Thx. -- OP
\_ Best in what way? They are all synonyms.
\- you know "gourmand" is kind of a sarcastic word, right?
i.e. "it sounds french and fancy like 'gourmet' but
you really mean a 'glutton'". not a synonym for "gourmet". |
| 2008/4/14-19 [Recreation/Food] UID:49751 Activity:moderate |
4/14 How Hunger Could Topple Regimes - Yahoo! News:
http://www.csua.org/u/la3
\_ growing corn and wheat for alternative fuels is cause
\_ "Government intervention on behalf of the poor - so out of fashion
during globalization's roaring '90s and the current decade -
may be about to make a comeback."
Uh oh, does this mean SOCIALISM is back again? Hooray for
Billary and the Democraps? -dim wit #1 fan
\_ I read this article and all I could think about was how the
author doesn't understand how there could be so much food
available and yet no one can afford it. Never a second thought
to how the two might be related and that if prices were lower
there wouldn't be any food to buy. A warehouse of food doesn't
feed an entire country for very long.
\_ I don't think you read the article right. The author never says
that. He says that if sockpiles of food exists for people who
can afford it, those who can't are going to revolt. That's
petty much a given. Starving people leads to anarchy and
brutal military dictatorships.
\_ (That's especially true when the source of their hunger is
not the absence of food supplies but their inability to
afford to buy the available food supplies. [...] As Josette
Sheeran of the U.N. World Food Program put it last month, "We
are seeing food on the shelves but people being unable to
afford it.")
The above reflects a misunderstanding of basic economics.
There is inflation likely because there is a shortage.
\_ The difference is it isn't a catastrophic famine caused
by non market forces. For instance there isn't a war
going on that has destroyed all the crop land (or manpower)
nor is there weather that is killing the crops. The land
is fertile. The work force is there, but food is still
too damn expensive for people to eat. That is
significantly differenct than the last generation's food
problems.
\_ If the food is too expensive then there's obviously
a shortage. If there was a glut it would be a lot
cheaper. Do you also not understand economics?
\_ I do. I'm saying the reasons for food security
failure are very different this time around.
\_ So what if they are?
\_ Because in recent times famine has been
a side effect of a nation's fall to chaos.
What we are seeing is nations with the
infrastructure, with a reasonable workforce,
with no major food blights or
weather catastrophes with a stable government
that can't afford to feed their populations.
Stable countries may very well slide into total
chaos purely because the food is just too
expensive. That's a pretty scary scenario,
even if your freshman economics can explain
WHY the food is expensive.
\_ If they cant get basic econ. right then
I can't really trust anything else they
wrote.
\_ Once again, you are reading something
that isn't there. The food exists. It
is possible to make food. The land
is fertile. The roads work. Until
now famines didn't happen because of
food just cost too damn much to make.
But that's ok, you took some undergrad
classes in the free market and know
exactly what's the problem.
\_ What is your point? You don't understand
economics. It's not food costing too
much to make. It's demand for food.
What do YOU think the problem is?
The article also says there have been
crop failures recently.
\_ Maybe if you'd taken some of those
classes instead of sociology you'd
better understand.
\_ Let them eat cake. The food is being diverted for
other uses, like transportation. People are starving
so that others can driver Hummers. You can see how
so that others can drive Hummers. You can see how
the people starving might object to this.
\_ Once again, if they are unable to support
themselves, it is their fault. Why should I
care about other people? -dim wit #1 fan
\_ More like: so that others can eat better. How
should it be rationed?
\_ My only point is that the author of the article
and Ms. Sheeran both indicate that food is
plentiful, but expensive. This demonstrates a
lack of knowledge of basic economics. If they
had said "There is no food because fuel producers
are buying all of it up" that would be
something else entirely, but that's not
alluded to. They paint a picture of adequate
supply, but evil market forces maliciously
driving up prices.
\_ One of the reasons I think the 'Chicken Little'
attitude towards global warming is bad is stuff
like this. People decided to get fuel from
corn "because it's not oil," without thinking
about the consequences. The consequences, of
course is that corn now tracks oil price.
And consequently other commodity crops trend
up. And why shouldn't they? So now we have
an expensive, self-perpetuating (due to
lobbying) mistake. Is having a 'bridging
technology' worth more people starving? Of
course I bet people will try other expensive
interventions without understanding what they
will actually do, and the circus of human
misery will continue. -- ilyas
\_ uh, the people who decided to get fuel from
corn are for the most part global warming
deniers with a political base in the
corn belt. -tom
\_ How do they correlate with the
PEAK OIL nut jobs?
\_ I see, so the 25 years of Congress
activity promoting ethanol use is just
a Vast Global Warming Denier Conspiracy?
operating covertly? -- ilyas
-- ilyas
\_ What do you know, we do agree on things
every once in a while. -ausman
\_ If oil demand vs. supply is really getting
out of whack, then natural market forces
would lead to this anyway, no? The main
problem I've had with it so far is that
the science and math didn't add up, and
it was heavily subsidized. (ethanol that is)
\_ I am not sure why you are discussing
natural market forces when talking about
food and oil, two commodities whose
production and price is driven by a lot
of 'uneconomic' forces (national security
considerations, charity considerations,
cartelization, etc. etc.) My main point:
economy, like climate, is complex and
poorly understood. Clumsy, politically
motivated interventions will come out
well about as often as a broken clock
will tell correct time. -- ilyas |
| 2008/4/8-12 [Politics/Domestic/California, Recreation/Food] UID:49688 Activity:low |
4/8 Fattest States:
http://calorielab.com/news/2007/08/06/fattest-states-2007
\_ "California not getting fatter" only because starving
immigrants are making the average less, while fat lazy
trailer trash whities from Riverside and the Inland Empire
keep moving inland towards Las Vegas and Arizona.
\_ Erm... Mexico is the second fattest nation after
the U.S.
\_ I'm talking about LEGAL immigrants you dits, like those
\_ dits?
skinny nerdy INDIANS who took over 1/2 of our company.
Oh well at least they work 2X as hard for 2/3 the pay.
Go company stock!
\_ You are so funny. You should go into stand up. But you
might need to throw in a few "white people drive like
this, black people drive like that," jokes. You know,
just to spice it up. Also maybe a joke about how women
love to shop.
\_ How about guatemalans and el salvadorans?
\_ It's true Mexico is about to overtake the USA in obesity.
Is Kuwait still fatter than the USA?
\_ I seem to recall that hispanics have the fastest growing
obesity rate.
\_ Given that rice prices are going up, and a bigger percentage of
CA residents compared to other states eat rice, this will
probably become more true.
\_ Don't you mean lice?
\_ http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20080407/cm_csm/efood_1 |
| 2008/3/28-4/6 [Recreation/Food] UID:49606 Activity:low |
3/28 http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23727879 Don't use the middle stall in the bathroom! \_ It doesn't mention that the average office computer keyboard has more germs per sq-in than the average toilet seat. I read this somewhere else. \_ Re: "The worst place to cool leftovers: in the refrigerator" This doesn't make sense. Sure, It can take a long time for the temperature in the middle of a big container to drop. But doesn't it take even longer if you leave it on the counter? If the writer is thinking about the timer that the food at the middle stays in the warm temperature range which bacteria grows, well, after you leave the food on the counter for initial cooling, you either have to leave it on the counter forever or put it in the fridge. In both cases the total time that the food at the middle stays in the warm temperature range should still be longer than if you just put the food in the fridge at the beginning. \_ Writer may be talking about how a warm dish tends to heat the food surrounding it in the fridge. If you put your still-hot leftovers next to your eggs, you might as well leave your eggs on the counter. \_ For a few minutes, yes. Guess what. Keeping your eggs out for a few minutes every week won't change a hill of beans. Think for a second. You go to the store. You put the eggs in your basket. You wait in line. You drive home. All that time the eggs stay out. This article is filled with "OH MY GOD GERMS!" fear that is just silly. \_ Worrying about eggs going bad is pretty funny, considering on the farm, we used to only collect them once a day. They have built in antibiotic resistance, which should be obvious if you think about it for a second. You can even leave them out for a couple of days, but you risk getting "blood spot" eggs if you have a rooster around. \_ Yup. Supermarkets in Hong Kong display eggs on shelves, not in refrigerators. |
| 2008/3/28 [Recreation/Food] UID:49590 Activity:kinda low |
3/27 Turducken is just so wrong:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turducken
\_ I brought it to my in-laws three Christmas' in a row now. We
think it is great. The oil in the duck helps keep the rest moist.
\_ What's wrong with it? It's just cooking poultry together.
\_ It's wrong because duck is greasy and it makes it very very
unhealthy. And the idea of stuffing one animal into another
sickens me. -op
\_ In Japan there is a dish called, lierally, "mother and child".
It's chicken and egg cooked together. That's more sickening
than Turducken to me.
\_ That's just because you are in denial about where your
food comes from.
\_ "My food bigotry is better than your food bigotry."
Awesome. -!pp
\_ heh, yeah. I ate it once in Texas. It was good but I could feel
myself getting fatter. |
| 2008/3/13-17 [Recreation/Food/Alcohol, Recreation/Food] UID:49440 Activity:moderate |
3/13 Help. Mother has slowly gone insane in the past few weeks. Claims
to be really sick, takes her to ER, nothing. Does this several
times before we realized she's just lonely. She eats crappy food
like KFC and canned food and is mal-nutrioned yet refuses to eat
"expensive food." She is a complete hazard on the road, and her
place has become a total dumpster and a fire hazard. It's apparent
that her mental capacity and reasoning power has slowly diminished
to... zero. What are some possible solutions? I don't want to
kill her.
\_ this sounds very familiar. I recommend, for the lonely/depression
problem:
1) force her to get social hobbies
2) force her to have regular interaction with people
3) enforce a quota - like going out every day
we went from 1 false alarm ER visit a month to one every 6+ months.
--brain
\_ Thanks but already tried and doesn't work. After 2-3 meetings
people realize she's a total nutcase and avoid her. I mean
I've already lost gf's thanks to her. Socialization is not
for someone who's brain is already hardwired.
\_ What about senior centers? Here in Livermore we have the
"friendship center" or something like that for old people to
hang out at. http://www.larpd.dst.ca.us/friendship.html
\_ Do you equate putting her in a home with 'killing her'? She
sounds like she needs and would benefit from being in a
home. They'll watch over her and she'll have other crazy
old people to hang out with.
Alternately, you could quit your job and nursemaid her
yourself.
\_ So how much is a nursing home going to cost? -op
\_ Sounds like my dad, so I have the greatest sympathy
with your plight. My dad would not consider moving out
of his home until he finally crashed his car and depleted
of his home until he crashed his car and depleted
his bank account, but finally agreed to move into an
assisted living situation, where he gets three meals a
day and his own apartment. This costs $1800/mo, in Riverside
California. It would more in the Bay Area, 1.5X to 2X more
depending on the facility. You can actually get it for less,
but it starts to be pretty primitive.
\_ OH LORD. I don't have that kind of money. I guess I'll
just let her rot and crash into other people like
George Weller or something.
\_ Doesn't she have any savings? Where is she living now?
\_ No. She said she was counting on Social Security.
But I've been mostly supporting her. I don't have
other family members as they're also crazy and
scattered all over the world. It's just my mom
and I, 50 miles apart. I have to admit, this has
been one of the loneliest months I've ever had in
my life. It's times like these that I wished that
I was a Christian or something. -op
\_ How much does she cost per month right now?
$1800 doesn't seem like that much if you include
rent, food, utilities, etc.
\_ Her mortgage is $600/month.
\_ Wheew... I think you'd have to move closer
to her, (or vice-versa) and get a part time
caretaker to clean up and such. Actually,
coversation (relieving loniness) is a big
part of the caretaker job. They are used to
it. It's usually about $10 an hour. (Often
under the table.)
\_ Social Security is only about $650 or so
a month. With a $600 mortage... when did
you say her reasoning powers went to 0?
\_ On what planet is SS $650/month? My
mom gets twice that and she wasn't
even in the highest earner bracket.
\_ Not all of us come from wealthy
households. I think my Dad's is
about $800/mo, though he gets some
CalPers pension on top of it.
\_ My mom isn't wealthy, but she
worked her entire life. Your
dad probably got less because
he had CalPers instead and
didn't contribute to SS his
entire working career.
\_ You might be right there. His
overall pension + SS is about
$2500/mo, which is just enough.
\_ Can you just move her in with you? I thought about this
with my Dad, but he is just too hard to get along with.
\_ oh, no, HELL NO am I ever going to live with
her again. She wakes up in the middle of the
night and vacuums and cleans and moves furnitures.
She will dig through my books and bank accounts
and mess up my private life. HELL NO. -op
\_ My Grandmother never got too crazy, she realized when she was
too old to drive and stopped driving herself. I lived with her
for a while when I went to Junior college, but when I went to
Berkeley she hired a maid and meals-on-wheels.
After a while she brought on a part time caretaker. However,
she was quite happy living a solitary life, reading books and
watching TV, so even when she dingy she didn't really cause many
problems. On the other hand, some realatives lived close by
watching TV, so even when she got a little dingy she didn't
really cause many problems. Some realatives lived close by
and would visit on at least a weekly basis. I'm not sure how
much it cost, but it was probably cheaper than a home, but
she also owned her own home.
\_ tell her to ride bike and use linux -tom's #1 fan
\_ RIDE TANK! BAN GUNS! - tom's #5 fan
\_ Take her to a doctor who knows something about age related mental
disorders. |
| 2008/3/3-6 [Recreation/Food] UID:49319 Activity:nil |
3/3 yo, they wanna know when to have the alumni bbq. I assumed
fridays are good preferable but some general date would be
nice to have. What do you folk recommend? email bbq@csua
\_ yay another bbq! it's a great opportunity for me to suck up
suckers who'll work 12-15hrs a day for little pay at
my startups. i love alumni bbqs. -alum |
| 2008/2/25-29 [Recreation/Food] UID:49250 Activity:moderate |
2/25 http://www.wfp.org/english Donate to the World Food Programme! I just got involved and I'm very proud of it. Stop the hunger, donate now! \_ Aren't you actually perpetuating it by creating dependency on donations and screwing up the local economies for food? Besides, I already donate a lot of food through taxes and federal food programs. \_ Seconded. The problem isn't about giving them fish, but to teach them how to fish. By giving them fish, they'll never learn and create MORE hungry mouths that require you to feed them and the problem will compound through time. I understand it's only ethical to stop the hunger, but by helping them, there will be more hungry mouths to feed in the future. It's more effective through economic education, birth control, etc. I hope Christian missionaries will help in this regard. \_ Exactly. I'll donate to the African Rational Food Markets program so the countries stop panicking and withholding food from each other. The continent actually produces enough to feed itself. It's something to keep in mind when we talk about lifting US and EU agriculture tariffs (which I support): how are they going to get the food to use if they can't get it to markets on their own continent? \- would you also support no public assistance for anybody who lives in a place that has had a hurricane in the last 20 years? i mean that just perpetuates living in hurricane territory. besides, they should be getting insurance. do you think we should stop all agri subsidies by thanksgiving or give'em till Xmas. Can we drop any smokers from using public dollars on any harms that are likely to have been caused by smoking? etc. \_ Exactly. I'll donate to the African Rational Food Markets program so the countries stop panicking and withholding food from each other. The continent actually produces enough to feed itself. It's something to keep in mind when we talk about lifting US and EU agriculture tariffs (which I support): how are they going to get the food to use if they can't get it to markets on their own get the food to us if they can't get it to markets on their own continent? \_ I hate to be Malthusian, but isn't giving them food without doing anything about population growth just putting off the whole hunger problem to the next generation, and making it bigger for them at the same time? Hunger is just nature's way of saying 'there's too many of you!' \_ Except the birth rate has actually gone down in those societies which have become more food secure. \_ Donated food is not secure. By that standard, people on various forms of welfare should be doing great. \- google for causality. your brain has been classified as: puny \_ I am in pretty good company: http://www.csua.org/u/kwv (The Economist) \_ Limiting population growth is a good idea, but the main problem with most countries with famine/food supply issues tends to be distribution, not some magical lack of the resources (or resources that can be traded for such). \_ Specifically: wars. Africa has had several regional wars where one or more sides cut off food to the other, or worse, the local warlords grabbed all the donated food for their men and the black market to buy more weapons. Sending more food to areas like that only hurts the civilian population who rarely sees any of the food. |
| 2008/2/11-14 [Health/Disease/General, Recreation/Food] UID:49117 Activity:high |
2/11 If you're on the way to becoming super rich and want to buy your
very first first primary vacation mansion, where would you buy
it at? Let's say ANYWHERE (price not an issue)... Dubai? Monacco?
Switzerland?
\_ price not an issue? ok, THE MOON.
\_ Paris
\_ Paris over the Cote d'Azur? Why?
\- you may wish to read "Paris to the Moon".
\_ Monte Carlo of Monaco. I'm sure psb likes it too as it appeals
to people with refined taste.
\_ "people w/refined taste" - you mean gay people in general.
\_ psb >> pp
\- i dunno why i came up, but i put down Cap Ferrat.
although if you wanted a serious answer in the $10m
range, probably london: speak english, good connectivity,
good food, transportation, "diverse" people, good news
papers etc. that's more my thing than drinking campari
on my balcony over the med and hanging out with the
"worthless" people who own +$20m yachts and their friends.
\_ Shit weather and shit food.
\- london has expensive food, not shit food.
considering london's latitude, the weather isnt
that bad. do you diss SF because "the pacific ocean
is too cold there".
\_ yeah, I'm moving to the South Pole because the
weather there is pretty good for the latitude.
\- i dont think you know what you are talking
about. london doesnt really go below freezing.
duluth, which is about 5deg *south* of london,
is below freezing for half the year.
although it does rain frequently, that is true.
although it does rain a lot there, that is true.
\_ Not the ocean in SF (although true) but the
air temperature. I hate it. SF, NYC, London,
whatever. It's okay in the summer, of course.
\- i really dont understand why people from places
like boston whine about SF weather. i mean
50deg isnt that bad. i mean i can see the
bitching if you are from hawaii or san diego.
dont people here own thermals? i guess dressing
for the cold is a pain in the ass if you have
to be nicely dressed for work, but relatively
few people here have that as a major issue.
http://home.lbl.gov:8080/~psb/PSB_MISC/PSB_Baltoro-mac.jpg
--psb
\_ If money is no object, you can have whatever food you
want, and weather is irrelevant with indoor pools etc.
In any case, some people like a bit of rain.
\_ I thought they live there mostly because it's a tax shelter.
Though maybe they like living next to all the other rich people
also.
\_ It's more fun playing golf and flying private planes
with other people who are able to afford golf/planes,
than to hang out with a bunch of drunken football fans.
\_ Gotta be southern hemisphere, chase the summer. Sydney perhaps.
\_ My thoughts, too. Eternal summer. Australia would be great
and much safer than Africa or South America.
\_ A place like Hawaii never really gets unpleasant ever (if
anything summer might get too hot).
\_ Winter in Hawaii is still winter and it rains all the
time and it's humid. I really like Mediterranean climates.
\- Saint Jean Cap Ferrat
\_ Bermuda, Hawaii or maybe Tahiti. I think I would pick New Zealand
over Australia b/c there are fewer people in NZ. But I think both
might be too cold for me.
\_ Lake Como seems popular. (Unfortunately it is also apparently
polluted with sewage.) |
| 2008/1/25-2/2 [Recreation/Food, Transportation/Car/Hybrid] UID:49011 Activity:nil |
1/25 Which reduces carbon footprint more: buying a Prius, or becoming a
vegetarian?
\_ Killing yourself.
\_ Moving out of Los Angeles and dating Asian (they eat less).
\_ But you'd do more heavy breathing and consume more condoms.
\_ RIDE BIKE!!!!!
\_ Dumpster Diving.
\_ Smaller carbon shoes. |
| 2008/1/7-10 [Recreation/Food] UID:48900 Activity:nil |
1/7 yuppy city loving dans is an idiot for arguing with a
dim-witted suburban lover. There are pros and cons for either
choice. Convenience (restaurant, shopping, mass transit) for people
who need to work hard near the city, and the luxury of country
side living for wealthy people who have maids/servants to deliver
and process food, clean, etc.
\_ I'm not a suburban lover. I actually like the city. However,
I also understand all of the drawbacks involved. In an ideal
world I'd have a penthouse in the city and a sprawling compound
away from the city. Given a choice between the two I'd rather
have the sprawling compound, though. I think a lot of people
would, especially if it was close enough to still get to the
city. --dim
\_ Hey it's OK, I prefer the suburb myself. No need to
apologize to yuppy assholes.
\_ so if you agree to disagree the motd discussion goes nowhere. How
boring is that?? You'd encourage the trolls to come out!
\_ Wow. You're pretty clueless. And you don't know how to spell
yuppie. -dans
\_ dans is not an idiot for arguing with someone who loves the
suburbs. dans is an idiot for feeding the trolls. As am I,
no doubt...
\_ Lost Weekend Video was closed. I needed something to amuse
myself. -dans |
| 2007/12/24-29 [Recreation/Food] UID:48854 Activity:high |
12/24 Last Minute Heathen Gathering. Tonight 9:00ish @ Zeitgeist in the
city. We may drink there, we may grab Chinese food and catch a movie.
Details TBD: http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=6394159794
-dans
\_ bahahahaha now I know why you slave +12hrs a day 7 days/wk at
your startup-- YOU HAVE NO LIFE! bahahahahahahaha
\_ Um, ok. I've had sex with three different people in the last two\
weeks. You wish you had 'no life' like mine. -dans
\_ Um, ok. I've had sex with three different people in the last two
weeks. You wish you had 'no life' like mine. -dans
\_ This rebuttal is pretty good evidence you have no life.
\_ Who were those three guys? |
| 2007/12/9-13 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Recreation/Food] UID:48770 Activity:nil |
12/10 This is pretty funny. --psb
http://tinyurl.com/35ddk3
\_ Wow, this is really quite funny. Thanks. |
| 2007/12/5-12 [Politics/Domestic/California, Recreation/Food] UID:48747 Activity:nil |
12/4 Where do people buy those candies that reads "It's a boy!" or "It's a
girl!" Any pleaces in the San Mateo or Fremont area? Thanks.
\_ Preston's Candy & Ice Cream
1170 Broadway, Burlingame, CA
they have a lot of nice candy too, in addition to the gimmicky
baby candy. I recommend the honeycomb, rocky road, and the
hot cocoa kits. -brain preston
http://prestonscandy.com
\_ Cause cigars are so your grandparent's generation.
\_ the chocolate shop on telegraph has chocolate cigars.
you can get them online too. They are a bit pricey but <shrug>
\_ so are babies
\_ The Candy Store in San Francisco on Vallejo b/w Polk & Van Ness
is really, really awesome. I've seen "It's a g/b" cigars there.
http://www.yelp.com/biz/TZJ7a4slnPGIjIMkMbuFyw
\_ Go to SF, they have "Congrats, it's a gay boy!" cards.
\_ And in The South, you can get "Congrats, it's a Redneck" card.
\_ Thanks for all the responses. Party Land in San Mateo carries it,
but the girl kind is currently out of stock. Party America in Union
City has both the boy kind and the girl kind in stock. -- OP |
| 2007/11/20-26 [Politics/Domestic, Recreation/Food, Uncategorized/Profanity] UID:48670 Activity:nil |
11/20 FRE FNM CFC LEN PHM ETFC, all bond insurers eating buckets of shit
\_ http://www.whitehouse.gov/infocus/achievement/chap7.html |
| 2007/11/18-21 [Recreation/Dating, Recreation/Food] UID:48655 Activity:high |
11/17 How much should I worry about the expiration date on a package
of Tofu in my fridge. Its medium firmness, and it expired in late
october. I was hoping to use it in miso soup... is it too far
gone? How can I tell? -mrauser
\_ The following formula works REALLY well for me. If all things
are equal (assuming they've been refrigerated properly
during transit), then:
* If it is a Japanese brand Tofu (Asumi, etc) then you can
add 1 week past the expiration date and still be safe
* If it is a Mainland Chinese brand, then minus 10 days
from the expiration date
* If it is a Taiwanese brand, then minus 7 days from the
expiration date
This works very well for tofu, soy milk, etc. Basically,
the Chinese/Taiwanese brands have standards that barely
pass the US government requirements and the Japanese brands
in general surpass the Japanese government standards.
\_ My wife, (a Korean Tofu Expert) says, Assuming the package is
sealed, it's probably ok. Just open it up and do a sniff test.
If it smells ok, do a small taste test. If it doesn't taste funny
it's fine. -jrleek
\_ How much is not being sick worth to you in comparison to
saving money by not discarding questionable food? I tend to
be really conservative when it comes to food. 99.99% of the
time it'll be fine, but that 1 time in 10000 when you get sick?
VERY unpleasant. --PeterM
\_ While I agree it's a good idea to be cautious when it
comes to food, the expiration date is not an absolute
mark. I've had food that gone bad before the date, and
have food that lasted longer. It all depends on the type
of food and how large is the standard-deviation of the
expiration date. While we are a fortunate that we can
simply discard foods that may be bad, think about all
the other less fortunate people on this planet. If it
doesn't look and smell and taste bad, then it probably
isn't. Don't throw out stuff just because the expiration
date had passed and create unnecessary garbage in the
world. In the end, what matters is how large of a
footprint we leave on this planet and whether it can
sustain the garbage creating lifestyle we have.
batteries as well.
\_ Basically correct. Now, tofu is a little more perishable
than most food with experation dates, so you might be a bit
more careful with it, but I'd bet that the tofu was probably
packaged 2 months before the date. It's not like it magically
goes bad once it hits the ex date. Be careful with all food,
but chucking something just because it's past an arbitrary date
is a waste of time and money. -jrleek
\_ I had House Tofu (Japanese), medium firm. I think it was two months
past. It smelled funny. I cooked it anyway. It tasted funny. It
had gone bad. I have great regret.
\_ And a laptop and a wireless connection, I'm guessing.
\_ Does that mean you got sick, or just that it didn't taste good? |
| 2007/11/8-11 [Recreation/Food] UID:48577 Activity:low |
11/8 Ruth's Chris Steakhouse. Worth it or overrated?
\_ Went there once. It was truly horrible. My steak was bad. My
wife's steak was worse. It was a celebration event for her sister
so we didn't ask if her's was bad too.
\_ For a chain steakhouse, I like Morton's better. For a local
high end one, I like the Harris Restaurant on Van Ness. For
a local, neighborhood steak house, Izzy's on Steiner near
Lombard.
\_ Izzy's is beyond bad.
\_ I haven't eaten at Ruth's Chris, but Morton's has been
consistently good. -dans |
| 2007/11/5 [Recreation/Food] UID:48543 Activity:moderate |
11/5 motd enormous bowel movement guy, do you eat wheat gluten? |
| 2007/11/1-2 [Recreation/Food] UID:48519 Activity:moderate |
11/1 I'm the feeling tired after beating-off guy #2. I've been avoiding
wheat + dairy and have been on mostly rice + soy diet for almost
2 wks and I still feel really tired after beating-off. I don't think
wheat gluten and cassein cause tiredness. The good thing is that
I've lost about 2 pounds in the process.
\_ WHAT. NO. I am really tired after eating guy. Fucker.
\_ WHAT. NO. I am really tired after beating-off guy. Fucker.
get your own handle.
\_ Alright fine. I'm #2 -op
\_ Maybe you are in early stages of diabetes. Especially if you
pee more than usual. -- ilyas |
| 2007/10/29-11/2 [Recreation/Food] UID:48480 Activity:kinda low |
10/29 How much wheat gluten exists in pasta?
\_ I think "all of it"? If you're avoiding wheat gluten, you have
to avoid pasta and most bread products.
\- you can eat barley
\_ You could try soba noodles. I don't know if they have gluten
in them, but they might not. They are also high in protein.
\- soba is "OTAY" for non-glueten people.
\_ It's a wheat product so "a lot" -- Rice pasta is very good. Pasta
Pomodoro (in San Francisco) offers gluten free pasta dishes.
\- I dont know jack shit about cooking, but if you are interested
in this stuff, McGee: On Food and Cooking is "the standard".
That is where Mario Batali goes when he wants to analyze dough,
flour etc. It has ~20pages onf gluten, different flours etc.
I think I got my (new) copy cheep at Green Apple for <$20. --psb
\_ $26 and change with free shipping at Amazon, and thank you
for the recommendation. --erikred
\- it is the standard.
\_ ^it^ed |
| 2007/10/29-11/1 [Recreation/Food] UID:48466 Activity:low |
10/29 http://autism.about.com/od/whatisautism/p/autismcauses.htm http://www.glutensolutions.com/autism.htm WHEAT GLUTEN and casein, among other genetic dispositions and environment factors, may cause AUTISM. \_ Because before this last generation NOBODY ate wheat and dairy. Jesus christ lay off on your fear of food. \_ "It's often suggested to remove milk first because the body will clear itself of milk/casein the quickest. ... It may take up to six months on a gluten-free diet for the body to rid itself of all gluten." Ugh, how many people actually follow through esp when almost everything you buy today has dairy + gluten? http://www.autismweb.com/diet.htm \-^and casein^&& CASEIN \_ See! I was right. Now I'll never develop autism. \_ Wait, hold on. ZERO wheat and ZERO dairy (esp. milk)? That is ridiculous. What are we suppose to live on, steaks and fruits? Ridiculous. \_ Especially with bees dying off and removing 1/3 of our food supply? \_ What is YOUR diet like? I'm sure it's also full of wheat & dairy as well. \_ And bees. \_ rice! Go macrobiotic ya fat bastid \_ Using the TV as a baby sitter for young children is a lot more likely to cause autism. \_ Fear of food has replaced fear of evil spirits as the modern superstition. \_ I fear spiritual food. I don't want to miss out on any fears. In fact, I fear missing out. |
| 2007/10/28-30 [Recreation/Food] UID:48465 Activity:moderate |
10/28 Are there any "nice" places to eat lunch within walking distance of
the I-house, other than Adagia?
\_ How far are you willing to walk? I guess Rockridge is out. Faculty
Club?
Club? Unicorn is pretty good, though I have only been once.
\_ northside
\- i'm meeting a friend for lunch and then we are going to a
talk at the i-house. unicorn or northside/shattuck are a little
far to walk to and from. i dont want to run into holarb again
at adagia :-). is the faculty club food good? i've only had
catered snack type things there. ok tnx.
\_ damn.. the entire north side should have a Beware sign
cuz of Holarb
\_ What's a holarb? |
| 2007/10/25-26 [Recreation/Food] UID:48442 Activity:kinda low |
10/25 motd wheat gluten guy here. Now I think I might have borderline
diabetes. Eating a lot of food makes me tired. How do I figure it
out? I had a blood test a year ago, if I had diabetes, would
the doctor notice?
\_ Doesn't eating a lot of food make everyone older than 25 tired?
\_ Probably. Checking for blood sugar is routine. Mine's always
been testing in the normal range and *I* get tired after eating
too much.
\_ So what drives you to post a new fake medical problem the the
motd every few months? Is this a new form of trolling?
\_ No it's called being an American. Especially if the
illness relates to food in some form. (Of course considering
the eating habits of most Americans it's probably not too
suprising.)
\_ I'm not sure what you're talking about. I'm not trolling.
Sorry if I don't post about fucking dog care or something.
\_ It's called food coma. I think it's more common for those with
low blood pressure. |
| 2007/10/24-25 [Recreation/Food] UID:48430 Activity:nil |
10/24 Hi. I read a fascinating article about people who think they
might be allergic to wheat gluten, in the East Bay Express last
week.
http://www.eastbayexpress.com/2007-10-17/news/sliced-dread
A lot of their symptoms sound like mine. I get really tired after
eating (also I am last month's TORRENT OF BLOOD SHOOTING OUT OF
ASS guy). I've been avoiding any food with gluten in it for 5
days now. I feel pretty good. I do not get randomly tired, so tired
that I need a nap. In fact now I'm a little bored, I don't know
what do with myself during these times that I am usually napping.
I should spend all this new found time looking for gluten free
recipes! --- motd wheat gluten guy
\_ Dude I also feel really really tired after eating and I thought
it was the weather or something. What stuff contains wheat gluten
I should avoid? -tired guy #2
\_ bread mostly. look it up.
\_ bread mostly. look it up. dedicate your life to eating a lot
of corn products.
\_ slight hijack: since the East Bay Express was bought by one of
its former editors, it has returned to having the best articles
of any of the free bay area weeklies.
Gluten is hard to avoid because most soy products also have it.
I have some friends who are gluten-intolerant and they have to
work pretty hard at it. -tom
\_ the web tells me that those blocks of soy i buy at the
supermarket don't have gluten in it. |
| 2007/10/10-14 [Recreation/Food] UID:48288 Activity:high |
10/10 I'm in my 30s and I'm finding that I'm unable to eat In & Out
burgers & soda & frys & shakes without feeling really really
lousy within an hour or two. Has anyone noticed your ability to
digest unhealthy comfort food decrease as you age? -30s man
\_ I think it's a good thing. Your body is telling you that
you no longer need these extra fat/sugars. The wise thing to do
is to listen to it. Having a small appetite is not that big of a
deal. The alternative is that you are forcing these food down
your throat. you would feel sick a little bit, but the worse part
is that these food you consumed will be end up on your belly.
and eventually you will need to take high-blood pressure pills
which has side effect of impotency. So, it's your choice.
\- I can no longer eat 1lb of bacon at a time. --psb
\_ http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/09/science/09tier.html
\_ It's a common complaint. I can't each to much sugar without getting
a headache now.
\_ Isn't it a good thing? Now you won't eat junk food.
\_ Isn't it a good thing? Now you won't eat junk food anymore.
\_ No, because I hang out with super hot mid-20 year old
girlfriends all the time and I hate to show signs of aging.
\_ Join their purge circle, and you won't have this problem.
\_ If you want to date the young hotties you are either going
to have to get rich or start hitting the gym.
\_ Or accept that you aren't mid-20s and pay for good food.
Take them on a date and spend some money you cheapskate.
\_ This is a good advice. I'm assuming you are at a
point in your life where you can afford more than a
meal for two at In-n-Out. Maybe you'll even get to
impress some gold-digger if it's a nice enough place.
\_ If they keep eating junk food they won't be hot for long
anyway. Find some super hot girls who don't eat that crap.
\_ I miss eating KFC. Seriously. It makes me feel good to eat it
but it makes me feel lousy afterwards. Getting old.
\_ I can only eat two platefuls at Todai.
\_ Speaking of which, I used to be able to eat 3 platefuls
but now I can barely eat 2. Maybe my matabolism is slowing
down or something, but it's no longer worthwhile going to
all you can eat restaurants anymore.
\- is Todai worth trying? I'm not a sushi snob, but I've
also heard some of the stuff there is disgusting/inedible.
\_ Todai is tolerable if you don't care and terrible if you
do care. However, it's less expensive than Isobune or
any of the other sushi-boat places and comparable in
quality. If you just want to eat a bunch of fish meat,
go to Todai on your birthday. --erikred
\_ Has anyone eaten at Coach (formerly MR Sushi)? Had
a great meal there the other night. Nomihoudai for
$3.50... Friendliest host/staff ever...
\_ That nomihoudai sake is hard to beat, even if it's
not good sake. The sushi was so-so, but you're
right, their staff is excellent. --erikred
\_ You're not talking about Mr. Sushi on Grand Ave
by Lake Merritt, are you? This place taught me
never to go to a restaurant named Mr. <food type>
without some trustworthy recommendations.
\_ The birthday comment is for a free meal, but requires
you to be accompanied by at least one paying adult.
As for quality, it really depends from location to
location. I rate Daly City one as poor. San Jose one
(don't know if there's more than one) a lot of people
(Todai fans) rave about it, but I found it subpar
(meaning quality did not meet pricing.) In bay area,
only Todai I would be willing to pay is the one in
Pleasanton. I've also been told that SoCal ones are
overall better than bay area ones. If the one SoCal
experience I had was a good representation, I would
agree. But if you want similar style buffet, I think
Moonstar Buffet (across street from Orpheum Theater)
is a better value. I haven't tried their new
location in Daly City. But I generally try to avoid
buffets except in vegas. Wynn's buffet is amazing.
\_ The one in Pleasanton is good? It's the only one
I've been to, and I wasn't all that impressed.
\_ Heh, the motd aging... next up will be serious questions about ED.
\_ Speaking of which I'm having the opposite problem as I
am getting older -- the um "volume" and "distance" are
getting ridiculous.
\_ Get her some goggles. - grumpy not getting laid guy
\_ Him |
| 2007/9/26-10/2 [Recreation/Food] UID:48191 Activity:kinda low |
9/26 Actually, one thing I've noticed about asian-guys married to white-
women, to me, they almost look like white guys. I think 20 years
of eating american food makes you kind of look american.
\_ But our dicks are still smaller. Damn. -- Asian guy
\_ Nah, just yours
\_ Stats please?
\_ http://www.cartoonstock.com/newscartoons/cartoonists/rni/lowres/rnin294l.jpg
"I love burger fries jam tarts ..."
\_ "The page cannot be found"
\_ You mean like this?
http://cdn.channel.aol.com/tvgalleries/sexiestreality06_survivor-yul.jpg |
| 2007/9/24-27 [Recreation/Food] UID:48164 Activity:nil |
9/24 What brand of ranch dressing will actually taste as good as the
ones from restaurants?
\_ Ken's Steak House Ranch |
| 2007/9/18-20 [Recreation/Food] UID:48101 Activity:nil |
9/18 when will flemish eat walloon? |
| 2007/8/30-9/3 [Recreation/Food] UID:47829 Activity:nil |
8/30 why do i feel like crawling up and taking a nap whenever
I eat? like a 'food coma'? Do I need to eat smaller portions? |
| 2007/7/31-8/3 [Recreation/Food/Alcohol, Recreation/Food] UID:47479 Activity:kinda low |
7/31 Go vegetarian to save money - MSN Money:
http://www.csua.org/u/j8u
\_ I just spent $204 on a dinner for two at Millenium. I guess I'm
eating the wrong vegetarian fair.
\_ WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION! DUBYA EMM DEEEES!!!!
\_ Don't eat a fair next time
\_ And what, half that was wine, plus 15-20% was tip?
\_ Does that include the huge carbon footprint caused by shipping in
interesting veggie items from all over the world?
\_ Be smart, eat what's in season. It's cheaper, it gives you
interesting variety, and the food tastes better.
\_ veggies have much less carbon footprint than beef. -tom
\_ Oh great, veggies are less evil. How about taking the
health of our only planet seriously and stop playing the
"I'm less evil than you so what I'm doing is ok!" game, huh?
\_ I don't think it's about people feeling "okay," but
about making a conscious effort to do less damage to the
environment. We've gotten to where we are because we didn't
pay attention to what industrialism and advancement of
human kind has gotten ourselves into. Now people eat more
meat because they can be bought "cheap," and we have to
subsidize the farmers if we want non-meat stuff. Human
\_ say what? where'd you get the idea that
farmers are subsidized for the purpose
of creating non-meat food items?
actually are what we consider locusts to be. We devour
resources beyond what eco-systems can handle. While less
evil is NOT "okay," it's still a lesser of the two evil.
\_ I think it is better to live in harmony with the planet
than to destroy it a bit slower. I see no point in
that. So it takes 100 years instead of 50 to make the
planet unlivable, so what?
\_ Who's playing that game? I also think local sourcing is
important. It's just silly to talk about the carbon
footprint of veggies as being bad relative to meat. -tom
\_ Only you were talking about that strawman. The rest of
us were talking by then about how importing your veggies
from all over the world at all times of year is very
hypocritical if you're doing it to save the planet.
\_ A lot of veggies can be imported by slow frieght.
That's actually amazingly efficient in large
quantities. Yes it isn't as good as local; yes
there is a bigger carbon footprint, but it's still
way less than cheap factory farmed meat. Probably
orders of magnitudes less. It's the air freight
veggies that are a disgusting waste of fossil fuels.
\_ Uh, you're the one setting up the straw man.
Did anyone defend importing veggies from all
over the world? -tom
\_ You're just pulling my leg now, right? Did you
even read the Op or the article or anything or
just came around looking for another motd ring
around the rosie rhetorical dance? Whatever.
Have the last word to say whatever. I'm not going
to waste more time or precious bits on this.
\_ The article talks about saving by focusing on
seasonal/local produce. You are the only
person to have brought up importation. Your
troll fu sucks. --scotsman
\_ Actually his troll fu is mighty, since he
started a huge flamewar over nothing but
his inability to read and comprehend
carefully. |
| 2007/7/29-31 [Recreation/Food] UID:47464 Activity:nil |
7/28 format this properly!
\_ Are you saying the cheese incidents didn't happen? Are you
some kind of cheese-eating surrender monkey?
\_ Cheese bomb story? Yeah, total fucking bullshit.
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/TSA_dry_run_terror_alerts_bogus_0727.html
http://urltea.com/13hr (rawstory.com)
How do we know they're lying? Their lips are moving.
\_ Shut up and eat your Freedom Fries. |
| 2007/7/27-8/1 [Recreation/Food] UID:47452 Activity:nil |
7/27 How is salad (ready made and lettuce in general) processed
before it's shipped to restaurants and supermarkets? I'm curious
if irradiation or clorine wash is done. Eating raw salad
increases the chance of getting worms and I'm wondering how
much worm/egg I have personally ingested throughout my lifetime,
and if my chronic abdomen cramp is caused by worms.
\_ You missed all that bacterial contamination news a few months ago?
\_ "abdomen cramp"? your ab muscles are involuntarily flexing?
\_ If you suspect you have worms, you should talk to your Doctor,
not the motd. |
| 2007/7/19-21 [Recreation/Food] UID:47344 Activity:high |
7/19 1 beef cow = 10,000 POUNDS of carbon dioxide equivalent.
Cows -> green house -> kill.
Cows are killing us!
http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs/labnotes/archive/2007/07/18/what-me-sacrifice-take-2.aspx
\_ Don't have a cow, man!
\_ You didn't hear about the UN report about the greenhouse gasses
attributable to the meat industry? It's more than all cars
combined. -emarkp
\_ Don't forget that eating 1 pound of beef from an arid region
uses up more water than one year of showering every day for 7
minutes with a low flow showerhead ...
\_ There is also that whole thing about cow flatulence and methane
contributing to global warming. go veg.
\_ Save the earth. Stop farting.
\_ It's okay, though, because the overall biomass must be
decreasing now that there aren't any wild animals left (bison,
tigers, sharks, rhinos, and so on). Placing the blame on cows
is ridiculous unless they produce more C02 than similar
animals. If that's the case, make the move to produce meat from
other animals then.
\_ I think we don't want to produce meat from other animals because
of Mad Cow disease.
\_ You do understand that CO2 is a minor green house gas compared
to methane, right? No one would post to the motd unless they
knew what they were talking about, right?
\_ ^C02^methane
Does yout nit change the point?
Does your nit change the point?
\_ Yes.
\_ Not. The question is: Do cows emit more of XYZ
green house gases per pound of flesh than some
other animal that we can eat instead? So, if zebra
emits less then I guess we will all have zebra
steaks. I would guess that cow, buffalo, ostrich,
whatever are about the same per pound, but I have no
idea. Do you? Is this a cow problem or a 'large
herbivore' problem?
\_ Yes, because meat is ESSENTIAL TO HUMAN EXISTENCE
\_ It is essential to my existence. Regardless,
please answer the question. Is the problem the
cow (seems an easy problem to fix by substitution)
or animals bred for meat in general? If, e.g.
buffalo produces 40% fewer greenhouse gases
then it gives me a good reason to buy buffalo
steaks instead of regular beef. If your
solution is for everyone to become a vegan
then please kill yourself. |
| 2007/7/19-21 [Science/GlobalWarming, Recreation/Food] UID:47337 Activity:low |
7/19 Group says sharks face extinction due to fin soup:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070718/sc_nm/china_sharks_dc
"Sharks could face extinction within a generation from overfishing for
their fins, a conservation group said on Wednesday"
\_ Plus these people are killing our dogs! BASTARDS!
\_ "More jobs, less sharks!"
\_ And gasoline is peaking thanks to the same groups of people. DAMN!
Stop consumption, use organic only, and eat vegetarian now! Better
yet, go kill yourself to reduce the overall carbon foot print.
\_ We're already lowering the # of people in Iraq, hence
reducing the overall carbon footprint.
\_ "These animals have been here for 400 million years and they may
disappear in one generation, not to provide people with basic
food, but for a solely luxury item,"
\_ What about the idiots killing the last wild tigers and
rhinos right in the fucking game preserves? Sharks are
hardly the most pressing problem at present.
rhinos right in the fucking game preserves?
\_ And the people who shot buffalos from the train.
They should make it into a video game.
\_ The surest sign the intelligent life exists in the
universe is that none of it has tried to contact us. |
| 2007/7/17 [Recreation/Food] UID:47311 Activity:nil |
7/17 Boredcast Message from soda!ahm (ttyRd) at 10:23 ...
when i was in preschool, they gave us dixie cups full of cheese
and ham cubes for snack before naptime. i would cram them in the
holes of my sneakers because i couldn't eat them and they'd never
find them there |
| 2007/7/12-16 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/China, Recreation/Food] UID:47270 Activity:nil |
7/12 Beijing steamed buns include cardboard
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070712/ap_on_re_as/china_cardboard_buns
\_ Well, Americans need more fiber. Maybe you could sell them as
health food here.
\_ The Chinese are really screwing themselves over. This has
happened before in other countries, but not near as often
in recent decades.
\_ Just another part of their effort to meet Kyoto standards by
recycling as much as possible. |
| 2007/7/5 [Recreation/Food] UID:47176 Activity:very high |
7/5 Chinese villagers eat dinosaur bones - Yahoo! News:
http://www.csua.org/u/j38
Only $0.23/lb! Cheaper than pork bones here.
\_ Eating 100 million year old food -- I see the Chinese officials
are really doing something about ensuring the food supply there
after the toothpaste/pet food scares.
is safe after the toothpaste/pet food scares. |
| 2007/6/27-29 [Recreation/Food] UID:47080 Activity:low |
6/27 Everybody, please move out of your wasteful suburbia lifestyle NOW
and live in Kunstler's Utopia! We'll all live in a big commune,
ridicule SUVs, and recycle our shit so that we can plant
sustainable veggies to eat for our sustainable lifestyles!
Kum Bai Ya, Kum Bai Ya...
\_ Kunstler's rants are very sustainable.
\_ Kunstler's post was wonderful and perfectly formed trollbait.
Yours is ... less so.
\_ Why do you hate on freshly picked veggies? Those things are
GOOD man.
\_ I already kind of live that way. What are you waiting for?
\_ Kind of? If you're not with us, you're against us, traitor. |
| 2007/6/21-24 [Recreation/Food] UID:47031 Activity:low |
6/21 Is there a place to buy high quality dry aged (up to 21 days) beef?
\_ I thought real aged beef was months old, like 6+, 21 is nothing
\- you can try cafe rouge, but probably will be $$$.
\_ Are you watching The History Channel or something?
\_ What?
\_ Exactly. Right On, Brother!
\_ Prather Ranch at the Ferry Building has it, as does Bryant's
Fine Foods in Laurel Village. You can get it at Drewe's in
Noe Valley, but you might have to special order it.
\_ No. No place to buy it. You have to age it yourself. Of course
there is! Bristol Farms, which SF finally got. |
| 2007/6/18-19 [Recreation/Food] UID:46996 Activity:nil |
6/18 http://www.okcupid.com/tests/take?testid=16534455155473404923 The Where Should You Live Test. \_ Your score indicates that you are a city-dweller of the old- school. You like a dense, finely grained neighborhood with restaurants, churches and brothels all on the same block. Although you've never spoken to him personally, you know that guy Eddie down the street is a pimp and you're sure to tell your lame suburban friends about him at every opportunity, just to freak them out. \_ I got small town. It recommended I leave suburbia. \_ People know you as: The Yuppie Quote: "Sushi is so 1990s. How about Lebanese?" Congratulations. You are the coolest type of person. Or you like to think you are, anyway. Your score indicates you are a through and through urbanite who likes to live in the densest, most central part of town. Realistically, though, you're probably a "new money" type who, although you claim to hate chains, still occasionally sneaks a Big Mac and always, always gets your coffee from Starbucks. |
| 2007/6/12-15 [Recreation/Activities, Recreation/Food] UID:46930 Activity:nil 88%like:46926 |
6/12 Death by sports cream
http://urltea.com/r7q (washingtonpost.com) |
| 2007/6/12 [Recreation/Activities, Recreation/Food] UID:46926 Activity:nil 88%like:46930 |
6/12 Death by sports cream
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/06/09/AR2007060901298.html |
| 2007/6/11-13 [Recreation/Food] UID:46910 Activity:nil |
6/11 Cal dorm food is good!
http://www.berkeley.edu/news/berkeleyan/2007/04/12_dining.shtml
All-you-can-eat sushi bar? How can the dining commons afford that?
\_ There's no fish in it, I'm sure. Cal dorm food is the worst dorm
food I ever had.
\_ I attended both SJSU and Cal. Dorm food in SJSU was better.
(But that was 18yrs ago.)
\_ I've generally found that if sushi is all-you-can-eat, it's not
worth eating.
\_ Todai's sushi is not that bad.
\_ It's not good, either. |
| 2007/6/8-11 [Health/Men, Recreation/Food] UID:46890 Activity:nil |
6/8 NSFW: Will it blend?
http://www.somethingawful.com/d/horrors-of-porn/bug-eater-cockroach.php
\_ This is worse than tubgirl.
\_ This is worse than tubgirl. It should be tagged NSFH - Not Safe
For Humanity. |
| 2007/6/7-10 [Recreation/Food] UID:46882 Activity:nil |
6/7 In light of the healthfulness of prepared-vs-fresh foods topic
below, is anyone here able to actually minimize/avoid
prepared foods?
\_ it gets a lot easier when you graduate. Learn to cook;
you'll be glad you did!
\_ I actually found it easier to cook when I was a student.
More time + less money meant more cooking.
\_ I couldn't find the original thread, but with the exception
of eating out sometimes, nothing my wife and I eat at home
is pre-prepared. We buy the bulk of our groceries at Berkeley
Bowl on the weekend (great prices on organic stuff), and either
make simple-but-tasty stuff through the week or cook and freeze
things like chicken pie and lasagne. I've even started making
frozen baby food for our 6 month old!
It sometimes takes a decent amount of time, but honestly spending
part of a weekend day shopping, cooking, and eating with friends
is very relaxing for me. I do this on top of a startup job
and part-time classes at Berkeley. You just have to decide how
important healthy/enjoyable food is compared to other things.
-randal |
| 2007/6/5-7 [Recreation/Food, Health] UID:46860 Activity:kinda low |
6/5 Was reading the nutritional info for some japanese udon noodles
I've been buying a lot of lately, and its sodium content isover
1000mg per serving! Is this right? Why do these simple noodles
have so much sodium?
\_ preservatives.. best cheap dry noodles Mi Goreng Pedas Indomei
\_ Mmmmm, salt. Does a body good! Stop eating that crap, it will
kill you. Eating a normal 'healthy' American diet would already
give you way too much salt without going for salt bombs like that.
\_ That's how I'm feeling now. are there any asian (or
asian-style) noodles out there that are low/no-salt? -op
\_ I don't know about asian noodles but simply trying to
eat right is very very hard if you're eating anything
pre-packaged. Pretty much *everything* has way too
much salt in it.
\_ Just don't use the seasoning pack. |
| 2007/6/5-6 [Recreation/Food] UID:46853 Activity:nil |
6/5 Pizza Rage:
link:www.mercurynews.com/ci_6059136?source=rss |
| 2007/6/3-5 [Recreation/Food] UID:46842 Activity:low |
6/2 Want to know the difference between round, shank, flank, loin,
sirloin, rib, brisket, flank, plate, chuck? Want to know the
difference between NY steak, filet minion, T-bone, rib-eye?
http://www.thecookingcompanion.com/meats.htm
\_ And to add to this, one of my favorite quotes from a chef:
"What happens when a chef finds a tough, slightly skanky
end-cut of sirloin that's been pushed repeatedly to the
back of the pile?...he can 'save it for well-done'--serve
it to some rube who prefers to eat his meat or fish
incinerated into a flavorless, leathery hunk of
carbon...The dumb bastard is paying for the privilege
of eating his garbage!"
So when ordering your steaks, order rare to medium.
\_ Mmmmm, charrrrr.... |
| 2007/6/3-5 [Recreation/Food] UID:46841 Activity:kinda low |
6/2 Is there a place (Bay Area) where I can get sushi-grade
fish? The stuff they sell at the local Asian markets (99,
Mitsuwa) seem to be of a lower quality and tend to have
less diversity of seafood than what you would find at
a sushi bar.
\_ did you read the 800 page sushi article in Vanity Fair too?
\- you can get bespoke sushi service:
http://www.afeng.atfishmarket.com/afWelcomeE.aspx
http://www.afeng.atfishmarket.com/afProductsE.aspx
if you are in berkeley, try tokyo fish mkt on san pablo
near gilman. of course different people have diff cutoff
for sushi grade. also japantown sf but forgot the name
of the fish mkt there.
\_ IANASushiChef, but I've found that Berkeley Bowl occasionally
carries sushi grade fish. Also, Tokyo Fish Market is okay, but you
may need to get there early to get any good stuff. Has anyone tried
the fish markets in SF? --erikred
\_ Yum Yum Sushi in The Richmond is pretty good and quite
inexpensive. Both fish markets in Japantown are very good,
but quite expensive. I have had some luck at Whole Foods,
but it can be hit or miss. -ausman
\- ausman inquiry: it is claimed that yum yum fish has
become somewhat ass since an ownership change.
have you analyzed it in the past 6-10mos?
http://www.chowhound.com/topics/397287 |
| 2007/5/29-6/1 [Recreation/Food] UID:46782 Activity:nil |
5/29 The new Got Milk commercial with the fat looking non-Japanese
looking Adachi family trying to steal milk is the most annoying
commercial I've ever seen. I've stopped drinking milk and
have switched to soy milk permanently. Fuck Got Milk ads.
\_ I don't get it either, but perhaps this review of the website will
help explain the whole thing:
http://www.interactive.duncans.tv/2007/got-milk-get-the-glass
\_ Wow, this is awesome. I would pay money to play this game..
\_ http://www.gg.caltech.edu/~jeff/images/Kristi.jpg
Kristi bending over. And you think that's milk. |
| 2007/5/25-28 [Recreation/Food, Recreation/Food/Alcohol] UID:46756 Activity:moderate |
5/25 I don't really care about ethics and how people look at me. Is it
perfectly legal to be an asshole and NOT tip at restaurants?
\_ If you can't afford to leave a few bucks on the table then you
can't afford to eat out. It is legal but you should examine your
economic situation more closely if that level of cash outlay
actually matters to you before you go out again. Or just eat at
fast food places where we don't tip. McDonald's sounds like the
right level for you anyway. And woe be if you're out with 99% of
this country and don't put in your fair share for tip. Your
fellow diners will remember and hold it against you forever which
is likely to cost you a lot more over time than the tip. So don't
be a trolling cheap-ass and leave a few bucks.
\_ It's legal. You should move to Korea. No tipping culture.
\_ Or Japan.
\_ just dont go to the same place twice..unless you like
special sauces or something
\_ In a country where people's wages are reduced because they're
expected to get tips, it's rude, boorish, and petty to not tip.
There are plenty of countries where failing to tip is fine, but
the U.S. isn't one of them.
However, it's not illegal. Just fuckin' stupid. -tom
\- why is it stupid? it may obviously cause problems at
tip-expected restaurants you expect to go back to, but
for one offs, i think it is assholish and you might get
deservedly abused, but stupid suggesting it will hurt
you, not sure why you would say that.
\_ driving a single-occupant SUV to work every day may not
hurt you, but it's stupid.
\- i think buying $400 shoes is usually stupid too, but
usually people mean something like "it is irrational"
rather than "i wouldnt do it" or other "bad" behavior
like being selfish, or an asshole etc. in fact often
assholeish behavior like freeriding is "rational".
is not contributing to npr/public tv stupid? no, i dont
think so. so in some cases you can show people are
behaving irrationally when they dont realize it, but
it's incumbent on you do present some argument. for
example the study that shows there is a corrlation
between car price and a question like "how much do you
like your car" but there isnt a correlation between
car price and how pleasant/unpleasant was your commute.
i.e. people thing about their cars different when they
are thinkign about their cars and how the use experience
transpires. ok thanks i have to go now i am in a hurry.
\_ I don't know about you but I personally think a late
30 year old ambiguously gay Indian guy spending
~$1000 a month eating nice food and drinking
fine wine is beyond stupid.
\- i probably drink less than 2 bottles of wine a
month. i hate spending money on wine. to me it
is a "tax" on going out to eat with friends.
unless you live with your parents, i probably also
have a higher savings rate than you do. of all the
ad hominems directed at me in the motd, this is
about the lamest, e.g. starting with "i dont know
about you ..." |
| 2007/5/22-24 [Recreation/Food] UID:46726 Activity:low |
5/22 Halliburton is *not* the worst company to the public eyes. The
worst is Wheat Board:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18805466
\_ what is wheat board?
\_ They were apparently involved in the oil-for-food scandal
\_ Halliburton did what defense related contractors do. Are you upset
about the graft and corruption on the ground, at the board level, or
the no-bid contracts in DC?
\_ Yes. A little bit of corruption is fairly inevitable, and a
natural result of a competitive economy. The fact that it is
a culture Halliburton lives in so blatantly is offensive. |
| 2007/5/8-9 [Recreation/Food] UID:46564 Activity:nil |
5/7 Super chocolate for Australian soldiers to fight evil & terrorism:
http://www.news.com.au/mercury/story/0,22884,21670784-3462,00.html |
| 2007/4/27-5/2 [Recreation/Food] UID:46469 Activity:moderate |
4/27 Special psb motd emergency post, top 50 restuarants in the world rated.
http://tinyurl.com/25ckhk
French Laundry in Yountville scores the number 4 spot
\_ "Alice Waters, the founder of Chez Panisse, in Berkeley,
California, received the Lifetime Achievement award."
Chez Panisse was rated #40, which goes to show that the list
is suspect. Chez Panisse is very good, but no longer #40
good. Maybe if it was still in the 1970s...
\_ Is this you:
http://eastbay.citysearch.com/saved/userprofile/gastronome1
\_ No. I think Chez Panisse is a very good restaurant, but
what was groundbreaking in 1971 is not groundbreaking
in 2007. Same might go for Spago or whatever. I find
it interesting that 'Nobu' in London is so highly rated,
too. I've been to his restaurants in Aspen and LA and...
I dunno. My opinion is that making this list is an
indicator of PAST success, not current success. I found
that true in New Orleans as well when I went recently.
Once people are successful, they rest on their laurels.
What 30 years go was incredible (Chez Panisse's insistence
on organic produce) is more mundane now. The bar keeps
being raised.
\_ Is food really that much better than it was 30 years ago?
Is the future really always brighter than the past?
\_ You are missing the point, which is that expectations
keep getting higher.
\_ Expectations of what? How much altitude the food
should have?
\_ Expectations of what constitutes fine
cuisine/dining. Lots of restaurants that were
considered gourmet in their day would now
seem to be putrid in comparison to competition.
Not only have menus and tastes changed, but
access to top quality ingredients has improved
and consumers' for demand them has increased.
\_ What are other restaurants providing that
Chez Panisse is not? Having food stacked
six inches off your plate is not innovation,
it's pretension.
\_ You are asking the wrong question,
which should be: "What is Chez Panisse
providing that other restaurants are
not?" There's not much to distinguish
it anymore.
\_ Expectations of how good the food tastes or
something else?
\_ Both. Expectations of what constitutes a "top
restaurant" includes ingredients, menu,
ambience, decor, service, and so on. While in
some areas expectations are little changed
(e.g. service, which has probably actually
gotten a bit worse over time) in other areas
(e.g. quality of ingredients) consumers are a
lot more sophisticated. Some of the things
Chez Panisse did were groundbreaking or
trendsetting at the time, but are now status
quo. Give Chez Panisse the credit for
innovating, but at the same time recognize
that without continued innovation (of which I
believe there has not been much of at Chez
Panisse in years) other restaurants have
matched or beaten it at its own game while
also contributing more in a culinary sense
and as a dining experience as a whole.
\- i think this is a stupid list, but i'm not
especially outraged about it. here is the
"spatial distribution"
http://tinyurl.com/33tlwk
i really doubt the place in new delhi
is that great. although supposedly the chef
used to cook kabobs on the street, which is
a pretty good story. also it may be the
cheepest place on the list. |
| 2007/4/24-27 [Recreation/Food] UID:46442 Activity:kinda low |
4/24 Anyone else going to the alumni BBQ on Friday, 4/28? -jrleek
\_ I'll be there. --mconst
\_ When and where???
\_ Here's the reminder I got in the mail today from edilaic:
We're having a barbecue on Friday, April 27 at 5:00! Everyone's
invited to have steak and top dog hot dogs at Soda on the
volleyball court, or possibly a pleasant vegetarian surprise
(it'll be good, we promise.) Please send RSVPs to omgwtfbbq@csua
if you're going to attend!
\_ I'll be there. It'd be good to chat again jrleek, its been a
while. -quasi alumni mrauser
\_ I think being an alumnus is like being pregnant. Either you
or you aren't. A degree isn't a requirement either.
\_ I can't make it this year, I have to study for my last finals
evar!
\_ Ah, BS. You can slip out for an evening of burgers with the
nerds.
\_ Why didn't you guys use evite? Can you just show up or
is RSVP mandatory?
\_ You should email politburo with these kinds of questions.
None of them read the motd AFAIK. I just posted the
announcement here in hopes I could meet some other motders
there. My guess is if you don't RSVP, you may not get
food. However, there always seems to be too much food at
these things, so you'll probably be fine. -jrleek
\_ I really want to, but I can't. I need to make sure that
I don't mess up the last two finals I will probably ever
take. I'm not just turning down burgers w/ nerds, I also
turned down karaoke w/ a fed. judge on friday as well :-)
\_ I have to study for Boards. How about beers at Jupiter in Dec? |
| 2007/4/24-25 [Computer/Rants, Recreation/Food] UID:46431 Activity:nil 72%like:46418 |
4/23 NYTimes, reform the farm bill!
http://urltea.com/fbx (nytimes.com) |
| 2007/4/23-24 [Recreation/Food, Computer/Rants] UID:46418 Activity:nil 72%like:46431 |
4/23 NYTimes, reform the farm bill!
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/22/magazine/22wwlnlede.t.html?_r=1&oref=slogin |
| 2007/4/17-18 [Recreation/Food] UID:46333 Activity:nil |
4/17 Free Ben & Jerry's ice cream today:
http://www.benandjerrys.com
\_ Yum |
| 2007/4/10-12 [Recreation/Food] UID:46251 Activity:nil |
4/10 those aren't rats.. they're chihuahuas..
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,265025,00.html
\_ Do you have a link for this from a real news source? |
| 2007/4/4-6 [Recreation/Food] UID:46195 Activity:nil |
4/4 Coyote in a Chicago Quiznos:
http://urltea.com/3nt (abclocal.go.com)
\_ Isn't that a song by the Police? |
| 2007/3/23-26 [Recreation/Food/Alcohol, Recreation/Food] UID:46077 Activity:nil |
3/23 Wow, German judge approves wife-beating based on Koran
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070322/wl_afp/germanyjusticeislam_070322132641
\_ Anyone have background on this? Sounds like the judge is playing
provocateur.
\_ And in other news in the march of Sharia, Target has some cachiers
who won't ring up pork products.
http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/breaking_news/16925919.htm
\_ I don't understand why anyone would be this afraid of pork. The
Korean says don't eat it, not fear it.
Koran says don't eat it, not fear it.
\_ Is that the same Target where fundie pharmacists refused to
dispense birth control? |
| 2007/3/22-24 [Recreation/Food] UID:46049 Activity:nil |
3/22 Adachi's Get the Milk commercial-- most annoying ever. I'm
switching to soy milk. Real milk? Fuck you. No thanks.
\_ Soy products lower your sperm count and grow your boobs.
\_ urlP |
| 2007/3/17-20 [Science/GlobalWarming, Recreation/Food] UID:46003 Activity:moderate |
3/16 So I've begun biking farther and farther (trying to reach 50
miles/day) and I'm wondering if I should start taking supplements
like GU. Do they really work as advertised? Are there other
alternatives? $1 a shot is kind of expensive considering you
need to take one every 30 min.
\_ New ones have protein. 1 unit of protein per 4 units of carb.
Studies claim 16% better performance than pure carb. I've
never tried these so I can't tell you how good/accuret the
studies are.
\_ People were doing 100+ mile rides 100 years before GU was invented.
It's digusting stuff, avoid it unless you're racing or completely
bonked. Fruit and nuts are totally fine, or one of the edible
energy bars. -tom
\_ I used to think they're nasty but after the 3rd pack
I changed my mind. They're very yummy and addictive.
\_ I'd totally agree with you but I also think any competitive
edge you can get over your opponent is a good thing. If
everyone uses vitamins, vitamin water, creatine, carb,
whatever, then your chance of beating them by using
traditional (and antiquated) methods is slim. Having
that said, I must admit that GUs are really yummy and I
eat them as quick snacks and breakfast. For example when
I'm tired or feeling exhausted or sleepy after lunch,
a pack of GU really energizes me. This stuff is not just
good, it is a necessity.
\_ Did you not see tom's specific exclusion of "racing"?
If so, why did you think your reply to tom adds
anything?
\_ You sound addicted to them. They are basically just sugar
and caffeine. I wouldn't recommend eating them after
lunch for example. Try a power nap. The energy from those
things is not the long lasting kind anyway. Spiking your
blood sugar like that isn't good for you either when you
are not in the midst of intense exercise.
\_ Hey come to think of it, yes I'm as addicted to it as
I am addicted to Gatorade and other things. Is that a
bad thing? They do enhance my performance, you know.
\_ Or maybe you are just habituated to it:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/6422279.stm
\_ When I ran marathons, I used GU a lot because it was compact
and easy to eat/drink. However I used much less of it then
suggested (e.g. only one third of a packet at a time). |
| 2007/3/16-20 [Recreation/Pets, Recreation/Food] UID:45994 Activity:nil |
3/16 Pet food maker announces major recall
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070316/ap_on_bi_ge/pet_food_recall
"The FDA was working to nail down brand names covered by the
recall, ......"
I didn't know the "Food" in "Food and Drug Administration" includes
dog food. |
| 2007/3/14-15 [Recreation/Food] UID:45970 Activity:low |
3/14 I shouldn't have eaten that head of broccoli, pancakes,
2 cups of coffee, eggs, croissant, 5 grapefruits, 4 oranges,
orange juice and an advocado today. oh man
\_ Why not?
\_ My ass is a complete disaster.
\_ You should have thrown some spicy food in there for good
measure...
\_ carpe pabulum |
| 2007/2/26 [Recreation/Food] UID:45822 Activity:nil |
2/26 Yummy: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=jpilonmd |
| 2007/2/20-23 [Recreation/Food] UID:45781 Activity:nil |
2/20 Alumni BBQ is scheduled for April 27, 2007
Location has been moved from the Volleyball court to
the Wozniak Lounge. I hope that you all can make it.
Please RSVP to president@csua so that we can
purchase food accordingly.
--minghay
\_ For those of us who have been gone too long, where the hell
is the Woz lounge again?
\_ It's a BBQ so it has to be one of Soda's ground
levels.
\_ It's on the fourth floor on the north side of the building.
It has a balcony overlooking the Volleyball court. -dans
\_ Who pays for it?
\_ Who wants to know? -dans |
| 2007/2/10 [Recreation/Food/Alcohol, Recreation/Food] UID:45703 Activity:nil 50%like:45699 |
2/9 Heh: http://www.amazon.com/dp/1592288510 [Seduced by Bacon by Joanna Pruess] |
| 2007/2/10-12 [Recreation/Food, Recreation/Food/Alcohol] UID:45699 Activity:nil 50%like:45703 |
2/9 Heh: http://www.amazon.com/dp/1592288510 |
| 2006/12/15-17 [Recreation/Food] UID:45451 Activity:low |
12/14 Will be visting family in NY for Xmas with the spousal unit . Would
like reccomendations for stuff to do in NYC where we will be not
be crushed by tourists.We are both in our late 30's w/o kids.
Thanks.
\_ WOW. I can't believe you're asking this question. Just get a
regular NYC guide book and you'll be overwhelmed. It really
depends on what you like. If you like museums (natural museum
is cool if you like science/evolution), musicals, comedy,
concerts, FOOD FOOD FOOD, and whatever the city has to offer
to sophisticated conurbanites you'll love NYC. If you like
the country-side and to hike and camp out, it's the wrong
place to go to. Good luck.
\- nyc has decent theather every night of the week. look at half
price tickets for example. look at "around town" section of the
nyker and "time out". again the more specific a question you ask
[restaurants, music, museums, culture, social outings] the better
answer you are likely to get. people who might be interested in
going to the Cloisters might not be the same people interested
in powershopping.
\_ This is a fine time to catch an opera at the Met. Consider scouring
http://craigslist.org for tickets. Also, the Metropolitan Museum is worth
a day by itself.
\_ Eat at Don Peppe's, 13558 Lefferts Blvd. between 135th Ave and
149 Ave, Jamaica, NY. The baked clams, linguini marinara, and
linguini with clam sauce are phenomenal. This is near JFK if
you're flying in to there. -dans
#ifdef GAYLORD
\_ Go to the ballet. There is nothing like it outside of NY in the
US, maybe the world. I always go when they (ABT or NYC Ballet)
go on tour. It would be great to see them in NYC.
#endif |
| 2006/12/11-13 [Recreation/Food] UID:45433 Activity:high |
12/11 A few days ago I was promised food and other miscellaneous perks. I'm
cashing in! Bring it on! - jvarga
\_ How much are you making?
\_ Do job opportunities count? -dans
\_ I was just hungry and wanted some dinner. I've got a very nice
job that I intend on keeping. If you're offering free money, I
won't complain. - jvarga
\_ does the job involve getting paid without doing work?
sounds like a switch and bait to me
\_ Where do you live, jvarga? Maybe we can set up a thank you meal. |
| 2006/11/28-12/12 [Science/GlobalWarming, Recreation/Food] UID:45381 Activity:nil |
11/28 http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/IndividualItemPages/SunOven.html Cook using Sun power! |
| 2006/11/2-4 [Recreation/Food] UID:45103 Activity:nil |
11/02 Ocean fish, seafood population could collapse by 2048
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061102/sc_nm/environment_fish_dc
\_ the rapture will come before then
\_ Doesn't the Mayan calendar end this 'cycle of existence' in
2012 or so?
\_ Or at least the unix epoch will run out.
\_ One more reason to switch to vegetarianism.
\_ Who cares? Do fish power my SUV? Real Americans eat beef. It's
what's for dinner(tm). --average fatass
\_ Beef powers SUVs? |
| 2006/10/23-24 [Reference/Celebration, Recreation/Food] UID:44914 Activity:nil |
10/23 Meatcake!
http://www.blackwidowbakery.com/demo/meatcake |
| 2006/10/22-24 [Recreation/Food] UID:44913 Activity:low |
10/22 Can someone recommend a good place to get Chicago-style pizza in
Chicago? Preferably somewhere that is easily accessibly by metra.
\_ Try Pizzeria Uno (where deep dish-style pizza supposedly was
first started). Or Lou Malnati's. Or any one of the many
Giordano's that are scattered all over Chicago.
\_ BTW, the Pizza Uno at Jack London Sq. is gone.
\_ All the ones in the area seem to have gone. Their website
claims the only ones left in CA are in Antioch and SoCal. |
| 2006/10/18-21 [Recreation/Food] UID:44853 Activity:low |
10/18 I'm in SF for a few days from tomorrow onwards--does anyone know
a decent coffee/food type place easily reached with public transit
with free wireless & power jacks where I can work a bit? -John
\_ Panera Bread has free WiFi. Dunno if they have a store close
to where you will be at.
\_ Other than starbucks?
\_ Starbucks has free wireless?
\_ I just assumed that it did; I've never had the need
to use it though.
\_ I think it's via T-Mobile or Verizon or one of those ones
where you have to pay.
\_ Starbucks uses t-mobile, which you have to pay for. Last
I checked it was $10 for 1 day, though theres options for
more time for less $$.
\_ It's free in Santiago, which is why it's pretty much my
office (plus Chileans don't have decent coffee otherwise.)
I also thought it was $$ in the US, like in Europe. -John
\_ Where in Santiago? I spent two years there (93-94), and am
curious what it's like now. -emarkp
\_ We live in Las Condes / Plaza Peru. It's been
colder than a witch's left tit, and I've had nil
success business-wise and haven't made many friends,
so I have an understandably negative view of the
place. I find it has no concept, little culture, it's
pretty hideous architecturally, and I find Chileans
weird, distant and closed-off. That said, the view
is beautiful, there are some great restaurants and
when the weather's nice there are really cool places
to visit in the countryside. I'll be glad to give
you more info if you mail me @zog.net -John
\_ Amazing that a South American country would have
bad coffee.
\_ They pride themselves on not being really S.
Americans unlike all the smelly corrupt places
around them--and they're right, it's the country
place here that kinda functions. On the other hand
I have been told that "we are the {Germans, English}
of South America" in all seriousness. Draw your
own confusions about food & coffee. -John
\_ Off the topic, the AC Transit Transbay buses ARE public transit and
have power jacks, and there will be free wireless by the end of the
year. No open container beverages allowed though. |
| 2006/10/5-7 [Recreation/Food] UID:44696 Activity:nil |
10/5 Fastfood chickens contain carcinogens:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060928/hl_afp/usfoodjusticehealth_060928160312
\_ That's fairly misleading, both your headline and the actual
lawsuit. In summary: grilling meat forms carcinogens. Grilled
meat therefore contains carconigens. Fast food grilled chicken
contains carconigens. Physicians Commitee for Responsible
Medicine files a lawsuit to force fast food corps to disclose this.
PCRM, despite their benigh-sounding name is actually fairly extreme
in their views and is a major PETA donor.
\_ Fish have mercury, grilled meat has carcinogens, veggies have
e.coli and hormones and not enough protein. Sigh.
\_There's always the Breatharian diet.
\_ Grow your own food. I hardly grow enough to subsist on, but
I try to grow what I can. It tastes better, too. I'd keep
chickens (for eggs/meat) if I was zoned for it.
\_ All you can grow is a few veggies. Yeah the tomatoes etc.
taste better but it doesn't really help the situation.
\_ Sure it does. You can grow just about all the
vegetables and fruit that two people can eat - at
least for the amounts that I eat. If someone is used
to a heaping plate of six different fruits every
morning, then no. However, every little bit helps. |
| 2006/10/2-4 [Recreation/Food] UID:44622 Activity:nil |
10/2 For a normal adult, what is the maximum amount of canned tuna that is
safe to eat on a regular basis to avoid problems with mercury?
\_ IIRC it's about a can/week and you're pushing it. But really,
mercury never leaves your system once you've got it so it builds up
over time. The Mad Hatter was insane because he was a hatter and
they used mercury in the dying process for hats in that era. Just
something to think about when having your next tuna roll.
\_ http://www.nrdc.org/health/effects/mercury/tuna.asp
\_ http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/food/fish-safety-704-fish-tuna-mercury/overview/index.htm
\_ From consumer reports: http://csua.org/u/h3j |
| 2006/9/11-13 [Recreation/Food] UID:44346 Activity:low |
9/11 Willie Nelson fights horse slaughter http://www.usatoday.com/life/people/2006-08-22-nelson-horses_x.htm?POE=LIFISVA "[Horses] are part of the American heritage. I don't think its right that we kill them and eat them." Cows are part of American heritage too,you have a problem with eating THEM WIllie? \_ Yeah, so is wheat you friggin hippie. Of course we should eat them. Eat any and all of them. That's what your teeth are designed for you would-be-instinct-if-it-were-not-for-your-flesh-tearing- incisors hippie. \_ I'm not sure which is more amusing, the fact that pp completely misunderstood op, or that he made an amusing word substitution in the middle of this trollrant \_ Cows are part of the "get eaten" part of American heritage. Whales, baby seals and kittens are not. And yes, I'd like fries with that. \_ http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic \_ http://www.penny-arcade.com/images/2006/20060911.jpg \_ ____________ < Eat Horse! > ------------ \ ^__^ \ (oo)\_______ (__)\ )\/\ ||----w | || || \_ what the fuck, horse is not even a native specie in Americas |
| 2006/9/8-12 [Recreation/Food] UID:44326 Activity:kinda low |
9/8 House outlaws slaughter of horses for consumption as 'yucky':
http://csua.org/u/gv0 (SfGate.com)
\_ The Hindus are as pissed at us for eating sacred cows as we are
\- "the hindus" are pissed about other things. --hindu@soda
pissed at people eating dogs and horses. But then again, we're
more powerful and more righteous than the primitives who live in
3rd world countries, so we're right and they're wrong.
\_ what they eat in their country is their business, what we eat
in ours (or don't allow anyone to eat) is ours.
\_ You're a fucking idiot reiffin. Tell us about
the Republican Party.
\_ lmao! you're right, i'm an idiot because what other
people eat in their country is our business and what
we eat in ours is their business and this has something
to do with the republican party i don't understand.
thanks for the laugh.
\_ I once tried horse sashimi in Japan, and it tasted okay.
\_ I really think this is dumb. I can't think of any reason why I
shouldn't be allowed to eat horse if I want, or sell my horse to
be eaten if I so desire. Of course, I don't see any reason why
I can't eat dog, and that seems to be widely illegal in the
states.
\_ Agreed. As long as it's done hygienically, why not?
\_ And why not eat human fetus' too? It's perfectly safe as
long as you don't eat the brain or spinal cord/fluids.
\_ no, it's not.
\_ sure it is. you can get some really terribly diseases
unique to cannibals if you eat brain related stuff but
the rest of the human body is just meat.
\_ Because fetuses are proto-humans, and we have taboos against
eating our own.
\_ This country has taboos about eating dogs, horses, cats
and other 'pet' type creatures. That is the answer to
the person a few levels up who sees no reason why he
can't eat dog or horse in the US.
\_ So why not simply say, "Because we have cultural
taboos about eating these things," rather than
raising emotionally charged examples like human
fetuses?
\_ That's the point. Dog and horse eating is also
emotionally charged. One taboo earns another to
demonstrate.
\_ I think pigs are supposed to be smarter and more human like
than horses. So, if we make horse slaughter illegal, we must
do the same for pigs. If we can't do it for pigs, we can't do
it for horses.
\_ But pigs are tastier.
\_ Charlotte! |
| 2006/9/5-7 [Science/Space, Recreation/Food] UID:44279 Activity:kinda low |
9/5 On average toilets use approx 40% of your water. Conserve!
\_ A vegetarian diet produces more methane. Eat more animals!
\_ The vast bulk of water use in CA is used on cash crops. Stop
eating veggies!
\_ Way way way more water is used to grow food for animals and to
give to animals. It takes up to 5000 gallons of water to
make one pound of beef (more in arid climates).
make one pound of beef (most in arid climates).
\_ And thanks to my "lo flo" toilets I have to flush 3 times when
I take a dump.
\_ Good 1.6 gallon toilets do just fine under "heavy load."
Try Toro. -tom
\_ Sorry, but I use lots of toilet paper. I want to make sure
I'm completedly wiped and clean. Maybe you are different.
\_ My new 1.6 gallon toilet flushes better than any
water-wasting toilet I've ever had. -tom
\_ Sorry, but if you wipe more than 3 times and use
2-ply toilet paper instead of 1-ply, then you will
need more than 1.6 gallons to avoid using the plunger
regularly.
\_ you've done a study? -tom
\_ Gee, noting how my water usage more than doubles during the summer,
I'm betting that the sprinklers are a bigger drain. |
| 2006/8/24-26 [Recreation/Food] UID:44143 Activity:nil |
8/24 Visting Bombay? Eat at Hitler's Cross:
http://tinyurl.com/ed3yk (boston.com)
[ Does this count as a self-Godwin? ] |
| 2006/8/18-19 [Recreation/Food/Alcohol, Recreation/Food] UID:44065 Activity:moderate |
8/18 Re: government per diem rates
It looks like per diem for Paris is $155. Per diem for San
Francisco is only $64. Overall, foreign per diems are much,
much higher. I dunno why. I have only travelled domestically
on government business and I find the sums paltry. $155/day
isn't bad at all, though. That is in addition to hotel.
\_ Maybe you should't work for the government then, eh? Would you
like some cheese with your whine?
\_ Please post your name so we can examine your situation and
give you short shrift the next time you have an issue.
\_ They don't want you hiring cheap foreign whores.
\_ Only the best for the on-travel types!
\_ I find it a lot easier to travel cheaply when I speak the
language natively. Maybe that has something to do with it?
\- what do you spend your per diems on other than food? $65
seems perfectly reasonable for food to me. especially since
if you are under the per diem you generally dont need to
submit receipts.
\_ $65 would be a very nice $10 breakfast at Le Zinc,
a very nice $20 lunch at Fog City Diner with $35 left
over for steak and a glass of wine at Encanto or Delfina.
I don't know what this guy is bitching about.
\_ Transportation can cost a hell of a lot if you are
some place for bussiness. But I agree, 65 seems enough.
\- if that is so, you can rent a car and expense
parking separately from the per diem. need receipts
for those. when i was in chicago for a week, the
travel people foolishly rented a car for me and
paid like $28/day to park it at the hotel ...
used it twice for personal business.
\_ So are taxis seperate as well?
\- they used to be. may need receipt tho ...
same for airport shuttle etc. there are
big problems with govt travel, but the
per diem isnt one of them. |
| 2006/8/3-6 [Recreation/Food] UID:43895 Activity:nil |
8/3 http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060803/od_nm/coffee_odd_dc What happened to all the advertisements and company funded research that say coffee is good for you? \_ It IS good for you, you tool. Look at me. I drink 6 cups of coffee in the morning each day, usually down a up or two in the afternoon, and I have an 8-inch penis. -proud American |
| 2006/7/23-24 [Reference/History/WW2/Japan, Recreation/Food, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan] UID:43766 Activity:moderate |
7/22 When a Japanese restaurant puts in words like sukiyaki, robato,
and other exotic Japanese names what do they mean?
\_ if that's exotic, stay in hoboken.
\_ Why are you so mean? How is this question more stupid
than the one below that says "What's the difference
between sushi and sashimi?"
\_ if this isn't a troll, ask the server |
| 2006/7/22-24 [Recreation/Food] UID:43763 Activity:nil |
7/22 Where is a good place in the south bay to buy sushi/sashimi-grade
fish? I've tried Mitsuwa but their fish can be a bit spotty
at times.
\_ Marukai Supermarket in Gardena has excellent sushi. It is pretty
close to the South Bay. BTW South Bay in Southern California means
nearby Torrance/Long Beach. As for the other South Bay, hmmmm...
maybe you can ask your local sushi chef. Good luck and please
post your findings here!
\_ moron
\_ a more appropriate epithet is home sushi nerd
\- Race St and R99 are "the standard". Mitsuwa is supposed to be
well regarded, so if that isnt to spec, you may be SOL. --psb
\_ How about The Fish Market in San Jose?
\_ what's the difference between sushi and sashimi?
\_ Sushi is the seasoned/pickled rice with fish on top or made into
a roll. Sashimi is just slices of raw fish.
\_ Why are people obsessed so much with eating raw fish?
\_ My father-in-law was a fishmonger; he used to bring over the
really good stuff. That's what converted me. --erikred |
| 2006/6/28-29 [Recreation/Food, Computer/SW/Languages/Misc] UID:43519 Activity:low |
6/28 Overheard in the elevator today:
A: I watched The Intrepeter last night. Y'know, the one with Nicole
Kidman, Sean Penn, ...
B: Oh, what role does he play?
A: CIA, FBI, I forgot ... something like that.
B: Really? I thought he would be a terrorist.
[Awkward silence]
\_ actors always play roles that are opposite their real life
\_ oh yeah? I was just at a neighborhood Chinese
restaurant. The daughter of the owner was eating
lunch with her new bf at the table behind me.
White Dude: Yeah I'm studying computer science
and stuff.
Asian Chick: Let's go home and watch pornography.
White Dude: .....
\_ http://www.wordsoverheard.com
\_ Haha, that's some good shit.
\_ http://www.overheardinnewyork.com is WAY better.
\_ she actually said "pornography"?
\_ She's Asian, after all.
\_ http://inpassing.org was good for a while circa 2001. |
| 2006/6/21-26 [Recreation/Food] UID:43449 Activity:nil |
6/20 http://onetouchopener.com Pretty cool device. Kinda pricy though. \_ May I never get as arthritic as to think this sort of thing is necessary. \_ the cool parts are no sharp edges and reuseable lid \_ I've got one of these: http://csua.org/u/g8d (Krups OpenMaster) It's about $20, uncrimps the lid rather than cutting from the side, and kicks ass. \_ Why does uncrimping matter at all? If you try to reseal the can you deserve all the botulism you get and have you ever actually cut yourself on a real can lid? \_ I dunno, because it's cool? You can't reseal it, btw. There's something to be said for not having to fish the lid out from where it drops into the food, though. \_ It doesn't take $20 sharper image geegaw to keep that from happening. |
| 2006/6/13-15 [Recreation/Food] UID:43376 Activity:nil |
6/13 Does anyone know anything about starting a franchise business? For
example, how much money is it required to open up a Ben & Jerry,
Subway Sandwich, and such? This is of course not considering the
cost of location rental which is very geographically dependent.
Any pointer would be appreciated, thanks!
\_ Learn to use Google.
Subway:
Total Investment: $70,000-$220,000
Initial Franchise Fee: $12,500
Royalty Fee: 8%
Ben and Jerry's:
Total Investment: $147,000-$396,000
Initial Franchise Fee: $5,000-$30,000
Royalty Fee: 3%
\_ Read fast food nation. I remember the book saying particularly
bad things about Subway franchising costs. |
| 2006/5/16-22 [Recreation/Food] UID:43075 Activity:nil |
5/16 http://www.slashfood.com/2006/05/16/the-extreme-cuisine-of-kaz-yamamoto The extreme cuisine of Kaz Yamamoto, featuring Saguaro cactus salad, made from the legally protected succulent; tenderloin of Bichon Frise, endangered pygmy owl, roasted and eaten whole, with entrails and bones intact; and nigiri-style seal sushi, chimpanzee stew (protected), grilled intestines of brown bear (poached from Yosemite), rhino genitals, gila monster, giraffe tongue, monkey tartare and a dozen variations on penguin meat. Yummy! \_ What an asshole. Obligatory liver-with-some-fava-beans-and-a- fine-chianti comment. -John \_ What about the hi-end consumers? No demand, no supply. \- this is a joke i think. there is a reason i the author picked sen john kyl. \- is this a joke? mexican liver and onions? \_ This reminds me of the Doctor Who episode "The Two Doctors" with the augmented Androgum chef who wanted to sample a little of everything. \_ I'm starting to think it must be. -John \_ What gave it away? The "Angelina Jolie loves this guy" part? \_ This reminds me of Shockeye o' the Quawncing Grig from Doctor Who --dbushong |
| 2006/5/15-18 [Recreation/Food] UID:43061 Activity:nil |
5/15 What's the best way to deal with the fat you get from cooking
bacon? Do you dump them into the sink or toilet? Or do you use
them for cooking?
\_ Put a wick in it and burn it for a bacon-scent candle.
\_ I generally put it in a container I'm throwing away anyway.
\_ same here, I let it solidify first. Although recently
I saw a friend fry up a single piece of bacon and then
use the grease to fry up some pork tenderloins. Tasted
Great. Mmm, pork fat.
\_ I pour it into a jar and toss it in the fridge and use it to cook
cornbread, green beans, zucchini.. all manner of things. Mmm. bacon
grease. I don't have bacon that often so it works out. Otherwise,
yes, jar and toss. --dbushong
\- you cook hashbrowns and/or eggs in the fat. i have also been
known to fry cheese in bacon fat, but that is quite advanced.
It was the Right Thing to do. We had no Choice.
We are, after all, Bacon Professionals. --dr gonzo.
\_ Sautee greens seconded. High heat and very fast.
\- for greens i recommend: cook berkeley bowl linguica along
with berkeley bowl collard greens or mustard greens. oktnx.
\_ It's all about the salt pork and kale.
\_ If you keep dumping bacon grease down your pipes, they will
eventually become clogged.
\_ I remember in Hawaii all the buses had billboards were
trying to raise grease awareness. |
| 2006/5/11-14 [Recreation/Food/Alcohol, Recreation/Food] UID:43015 Activity:nil |
5/11 Dear balsamic vinegar beef marinate guy and red wine beef marinate
guy. I have new test results. 4/5 of my test subjects consistently
prefer the taste of balsamic vinegar beef, and 5/5 prefer the
tenderness of the red wine beef. I reproduced the results twice,
using Costco new york beef marinated for 3 days. This week I am
going to experiment a hybrid approach by marinating the beef with
red wine to make the meat more tender, then put balsamic vinegar
right before I cook them. I'll report results next week. ok thx. |
| 2006/4/21-23 [Recreation/Food, Reference/RealEstate] UID:42796 Activity:nil |
4/21 the Vice guide to Russia
http://www.viceland.com/int/v13n4/htdocs/the_vice1.php - danh
\_ heh, it makes me want to go back to rediscover my russian roots.
- Zhirinovsky's #1 fan. |
| 2006/4/20-25 [Recreation/Food] UID:42789 Activity:nil |
4/20 Alumni BBQ @ 6:30pm
This one's for all ya'll alumni out there. Come on back to your
alma matter and hang out with us n00bs for an evening.
\_ Where? The website still says TBA.
\_ I would love to come, but my wife delivered a baby yesterday,
so I don't think she'd let me go. Next time. -jrleek
\_ Hey, congratulations! -gm
\_ Seconded. -dans
\_ Thanks, if anyone is really interested, they can
find some pictures at my csua webpage.
http://www.csua.berkeley.edu/~jrleek
\_ Beware the post-dot-com generation alumni didn't taste as good.
\_ That's right, they're too bitter. -gm
\_ Whoops, I was considering going up for that but it kept saying TBA.
Er, I'll try to hit the next one...
\_ How did it turn out? How many people showed up?
\_ About 40-50 ... Recognized a few people -eric
\_ 40-50 people? You've got to be shitting me right?
\_ I thought there were around 30 or so...the steak was
pretty good man. -linxu
\_ There were damn good. Where did you guys get
them anyway? -aspo
\_ Costco ftw. -mrauser |
| 2006/4/5-7 [Recreation/Food] UID:42695 Activity:low |
4/5 Alumni BBQ Thursday, April 20th. 630 pm. Place TBD. I copied this
from the CSUA web site. Please spread the word -dans
\_ 6:30 on 4/20...there better be lots of food!
\- that is hitler's bday.
\_ Hey, at least it's not Nehru's. |
| 2006/4/4 [Recreation/Food, Recreation/Media] UID:42652 Activity:nil |
4/4 http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060403/ap_on_he_me/diet_black_kids_ads Yoyo, what's up home boy? Ya want KFC for finger licking good dinner? |
| 2006/4/2-4 [Recreation/Food] UID:42610 Activity:nil |
4/2 Is it possible to buy unhomogenized milk these days? I'd like to
try a bottle and see what it is like use the top cream that floats
on top of the milk for bread and the rest for drinking. I'm curious
what our grandparents did in the old days.
\_ I'm glad they homogenized it. I think it tastes better than the
unhomogenized version.
\_ my grandpa killed 19 krauts and was proud of it. never talked
about unhomogenized milk tho
\_ I know Andronicos on Shattuck used to sell unhomogenized milk from
the Strauss creamery in glass bottles. I don't know if they still
carry it.
\_ Yup, they do. They'll charge you a $1 deposit for the glass
bottle; when you're done with the milk, wash out the bottle and
bring it back to the cashier to get your dollar back. You can
also get the same milk in plastic bottles at Elephant Pharmacy.
It's pretty good stuff. (If you like it, you might also want
to try Clover Farms' homogenized whole milk.)
\_ Milkmen were convenient to have in the old days. Why don't
they have milkmen anymore? Is it because husbands got pissed
that they were sleeping with their wives?
\_ You can find Strauss milk at Whole Foods. No idea if it is
homogenized or not.
\_ Encyclopedia Galactic (aka Google) says Organic Valley Coop sells
non-homogenized whole milk in many CA stores:
http://tinyurl.com/m4h8y (organicvalley.coop)
Apparently it sold at Andronico's on Telegraph, Shattuck and
University, Whole Foods on Telegraph and several other places.
(Just put in your zip code in ther where to buy and select type
all).
Several threads on http://parents.berkeley.edu indicate that Berkeley
Bowl sells non-homogenized milk/yogurt.
\_ Fuck un-homogenized, go whole hog (cow?) and get the raw stuff.
Berkeley Bowl sells that as well, although it's expensive
and expires pretty fast. (Then again it is so damn good I doubt
that will be a problem.)
\_ get your girlfriend to lactate in a bottle for you.
\_ There's some biological pre-reqs before that can happen....
\_ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breastfeeding#Lactation_without_pregnancy |
| 2006/3/31-4/1 [Recreation/Food] UID:42581 Activity:nil |
3/31 http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060331/od_nm/philippines_anger_dc Anger Management. |
| 2006/3/26-28 [Recreation/Food] UID:42444 Activity:nil |
3/26 dans, can you post links to pictures of your hot 20 year old
girlfriend? Also can you keep announcements of wanting to cuddle
with your girlfriend to the following intervals so I don't read it
while at work and hurl my protein whey Dannon yogurt intense
breakfast shake over my cube wall on top of my long suffering
coworkers:
MON-FRI:
9AM - Noon (then I break for lunch. I don't care if you post
urls to times for poly ass parties in the SF State dining
commons while I am at lunch)
1PM to 6PM5A5A5A5A5A5A (I try to leave by 6PM on the dot)
WEEKENDS:
Occasional saturday maintenance windows:
Sometimes I am called into work on saturdays
9AM - 4PM.
\_ I nominate this as the funniest thing on today's motd...no, the
*only* funny thing on today's motd.
\_ No. But this is pretty damned funny. -dans |
| 2006/3/23-25 [Recreation/Food] UID:42394 Activity:moderate |
3/23 What do you think of the latest South Park, Chef Returns episode.
\_ I haven't seen it, but heard it was totally over the top. I'm
looking forward to it. -dans
\_ It was awesome.
\_ It was indeed awesome, if a bit silly.
\_ What happened, did they get a new Chef voice or something?
\_ i hear they spliced and re-used his old lines
\_ yep, and worked that into the plot
\_ They also worked in a few digs at Isaac Hayes and Scientology
through metaphor.
\_ almost as good as zardoz. |
| 2006/3/20-25 [Recreation/Food, Recreation/Food/Alcohol] UID:42324 Activity:nil |
3/20 "Michael Pollan is one of the foremost food and plant experts
in America. He wrote The Botany of Desire a few years ago, he
teaches about food, plants, and biodiversity at the University
of California, Berkeley, and he just finished a new book called
The Omnivore's Dilemma. It's about eating in the same way
that the Bible is about God."
http://www.viceland.com/int/v13n3/htdocs/children.php?country=us |
| 2006/3/20-21 [Recreation/Food/Alcohol, Recreation/Food] UID:42323 Activity:nil |
3/20 Journal of eating an entire cow:
http://www.viceland.com/int/v13n3/htdocs/eating.php?country=us
\_ zzz. just a bunch of pics of raw cow meat. |
| 2006/3/16-18 [Recreation/Food, Finance/Shopping] UID:42275 Activity:high |
3/16 Do you tip in buffet restaurants? Aside from cabs and restaurants,
where else do you tip?
\_ Garbagemen, if they haul something unusual away. Also valets
and bellhops/skycaps, obviously. Pizza delivery guys. Bartenders.
\_ Garbagemen, if they haul something unusual away, valets,
bellhops/skycaps, pizza delivery guys, bartenders, and strippers.
\_ 5% in a buffet, if I feel generous.
\_ My gf's family runs a restaurant and this is what she has to say.
Some customers pay a lot and some don't. Those that pay more get
special attention and get their food and drinks served faster and
those that don't, well, her dad spits on their food. So, pay your
fucking 20% tip if you want a clean meal. PS, I'm only joking.
Seriously, she say they simply don't have the time or energy
to keep track who pays how much tip and by law they have to treat
EVERYONE with the same respect. She rarely remembers who pays
more or less tip, but the more the better of course. In another
word, NO ONE GIVES A SHIT. If you have the money and you have
to ask, just fucking pay 20-30% and forget about it, and if you
are tight on budget, don't pay. No one's gonna give you special
treatment for overpaying or hunt you down and call you a cheap ass
for underpaying tips. Shit. You're a fucking dumb ass.
\_ yer gf's family runs a buffet restaurant?
\_ yer gf's family runs a buffet or non-buffet restaurant?
\_ When you go in to a restaurant and spend $500 you definitely
get treated better than if you had spent $50. Part of the
reason is that the servers know that they will probably
(unless you're a bastard) get a much bigger tip in absolute
terms, even if not in percentage terms. If you are a regular
or if you truly appreciated the service, it makes sense to
tip more as a percentage. My sister has been a GM at many
fine restaurants (and was a server when in college) and you
can bet that she remembers specific instances when someone
was a cheap bastard or when someone was very generous.
Sometimes she even had the same person as a client again and
you bet it affected her attitude. However, this is more a case
of getting stiffed after, say, a $1000 meal (or in one case a
$10000 wedding party) rather than recalling if some schmoe tipped
15% or 20% after his once per year birthday dinner where he
spends $50. --dim
\_ Let's talk about the legality of tip, and put aside, for now
issues related to ethics, common courtesy, manner, conventions.
By law, how much must you tip?
By law, can the provider give differential treatments based on
how much tip you gave them in the past?
Can you go to jail for not paying tips?
Are you a law abiding citizen even if you never tipped?
\_ $0, but I've never heard of a law about differential treatment
based on tips, as long as you don't spit in their food, give
slow service based on race, or things like that.
\_ I don't think tips are expected there since you're supposed to
service yourself there. I would expect that tips are appropriate
where you can identify a specific indiviual who provided you a
service and who isn't being paid directly by you. Taxi-cab driver,
pizza delivery boy, and hairdesser are examples.
\_ What if the hairdresser owns its own business, and you do pay it
directly?
\_ I have tipped a copy store employee who opened up the store for me
a few minutes after closing to help me get fliers copied. I think
you should tip any exceptional service, and shouldn't feel
obligated to tip if you feel the service was bad. Everyone has to
be paid minimum wage, if you don't feel the service was good you
absolutely shouldn't tip. If the manager gets angry at you or
or something for not tipping, tell him why you didn't. -mrauser
\_ Servers do not have to be paid minimum wage, because it is
expected that they will earn tips :
http://www.opm.gov/oca/wage/minwage.asp
\_ If for some reason they don't make enough in tips to cover
min wage they have to get compensated up to minuimum wage.
However if a server can't make minimum wage on tips they
aren't going to last long.
\_ How many of these threads do we need to have? If you have any
social sense/grace at all, these questions are unnecessary.
\_ I think these are useful. What if you haven't been tipping
when it is the custom?
\_ buffet? absolutely not. what prompt service did I insure? this
whole tipping thing has gotten out of hand.
\_ Do you tip for a haircut? I don't think that's for "prompt
service". I hate that actually but I feel obligated.
\_ I tip for haircuts.
\_ Yes because I don't want my hair butchered the next time I
go back. Will they ruin the buffet when they see me coming
in the next time? I don't tip at retail clothing stores or
at the post office or the water company either.
\_ Tipping rules are based on how people are paid, not on
whether or not it will ensure better service. http://tipping.org
is the closest thing to a definitive reference that I've
found. -tom
\_ http://tipping.org? I haven't been there. Is that one of the
sites inhabited by the waiters who say you should tip
15% even if they spit in your food and 25% or higher if
they bother to refill your water glass?
\_ No. But I see you have your mind made up already,
based on nothing other than your own cheapness. -tom
\_ You see what you want to see. I asked a question.
Thanks for answering it. Bite me on the rest.
\_ I've seen those sites too. I'm not cheap, but
I don't think "15% as a BARE MINIMUM" is a policy
I'm inclined to follow.
\_ Then, yes, you are cheap. Waitstaff salaries
are set based on a presumption of a 15% tip.
(In the U.S.). Spending less than that is
cheap and a breach of etiquette, no matter
what the service was like. -tom
\_ I'm with tom up to a point. It's also
accepted that if the service was crap, 10%
is reasonable. That's what I do. I assume
the person is just having a bad day, even
though I could be totally wrong.
\_ And bad/rude service isn't a breach of
etiquette?
\_ Etiquette doesn't allow you to
retaliate for breaches of etiquette. -tom
retaliate for breaches of etiquette.
Or rather, there is an etiquette to the
ways you can retaliate. -tom
\_ I'm also with Tom up to the point of "no
matter what the service was like"--if a
waiter gives you bad service, do not tip.
I've been absolutely flabbergasted at some
of the shit waiters expect people to put up
with. -John
\_ Thanks for answering my question. You can bite me
on your bullshit opinion. You know nothing.
\_ Hair butchered? think about that for a second. if they
butcher your hair you won't go back. that is their
\_ yes but I still have to wear it for 2+ weeks and
people are stupid like that.
\_ Well, at worst you could turn it into a buzz.
And wear a hat.
\_ A good hair salon can fix that, usually. -John
incentive and that's what it should be. Why doesn't
the post office let your mail get butchered unless
you tip well? It kind of makes sense for services where
\_ who would I tip?
\_ All of 'em! Leave tips in your mailbox for the
mailman, or else the mail is mysteriously
in bad shape. Tip the guy at the counter, or
else he might just forget about your mail
for a few days, or take forever to do what
you want. I dunno.
\_ Missing the point.
\_ the mailman? the guy at the counter?
\_ you think if I tip the mm I'll get my
packages delivered faster? does he not
earn enough? a long time ago in a place far
far away when the mailman went door to door
and most people knew theirs by name my parents
gave them christmas gifts and such but I've
got a new one every day, they drive by in a
jeep and all they deliver is junk mail
anyway. :)
\_ Heh. well, according to the hair-butchering
theory, maybe the mailman should be losing
and/or damaging and/or stealing yer mail...
actually that reminds me, last year I had
a package I absolutely needed the same day,
but missed the mailman, so I drove around
the neighborhood and eventually found the
guy. It was the first time I'd talked to
him ever, but he knew our house and
we had a nice little chat. He was a little
odd, but he's a postal employee so that was
to be expected. Nice guy. I don't see why
they shouldn't be getting stuff while
others do. Then again my current mailman
always delivers the previous tenant's mail
even though I have a note there and always
mark it to send back. K I'll stop rambling.
\_ They shouldn't be getting tips
(customarily) because their wages
are not based on the presumption that
they get tips. You can't use logic
to figure it out; you can only learn
the etiquette rules. -tom
you probably never see the person again, like when you
are travelling or in the city and getting service from
various people for whom the anticipated tip is a good
incentive. But for my regular haircut it feels stupid.
Still do it of course.
\_ Whores!
\_ do you tip the cable guy when they install your broadband cable
service?
\_ I did for my satellite installer because the guy went way
out of his way, giving me his personal cell # and coming
back later that day to make up for the head office fucking
up horribly. That wasn't about customary etiquette, that
was just me saying "Thanks for not making me wait another
week for them to reschedule you." -bz
\_ I don't tip at places where I have to go to a counter to get my
food or where I have to bus my own table.
\_ what if they serve you drinks and clean your table after you
leave?
\_ If they serve drinks, I tip as I'm served (usually $1 per
drink).
\_ I used to tip at Souplantation and then I realized this was
becoming weird. Then the price increased by a couple bucks.
After googling a bit, I am going to go back to tipping $1-2, but
the Asian folks I'm usually with never tip.
the Asian grad students I'm usually with never tip.
\_ "give what you can, without hurtin' yo'self" - old Telegraph
beggar by Wells Fargo teller on Bancroft
\_ Oh my God! It's been 10 years since I saw that guy.
Last time I was in Berkeley I walked by that teller
and thought of him, but he wasn't there. My friends and
I still mention this guy from time to time. Hilarious
to find him show up in MOTD! Thanks MOTD! BTW, I think
it was: "Whatever you can spare without hurtin' yo'self."
\_ I don't remember him. I remember "Pat" who smelled
like piss and didn't say anything (and patted his head
all day), that Starr fellow, the bucket-drumming guy,
the little groups of street punks with, for example,
mini suitcase locks in their nose, and the 3-card-monte
guy who was an asshole and could get hostile. I think
there was another black semi-hostile beggar/demander.
\_ Do you remember RAR?
\_ I believe that's "RAAAAARRRRR!!!!!!!!!!". |
| 2006/3/9 [Recreation/Food] UID:42160 Activity:nil |
3/9 US urged to abandon force-feeding at Guantanamo
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060310/ts_nm/guantanamo_dc
So, ok, isn't suicide illegal in the US? If you announce that you're
going to kill yourself by starving yourself to death, can't the
authorities force you to eat? Why the hell do prisoners get more rights
than I have?
\_ How does an individual have a "5-month hunger strike"?
\_ Do you understand what "force-feeding" is?
\_ The lengthiest period spent without solid food was
382 days when Angus Barbieri lived on tea, coffee, soda
water and vitamins in Maryfield Hospital, Dundee in the
mid Sixties. He lost more than 20 stone.
The human body is pretty fucking amazing.
\_ Jesus... 20 stone is 280 pounds. That better have been
one fat fuck.
\_ Most, if not all, infants can survive a year without solid
food. :-)
\_ I didn't even know dubya was a feeder. |
| 2006/3/7-9 [Recreation/Food, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush, Recreation/Food/Alcohol] UID:42126 Activity:low |
3/7 Dear balsalmic vinegar beef marinating guy. What kind of vinegar
do you use? White? And what brand is good? Thanks.
\_ I'm gonna go out on a limb here and guess... balsamic.
\_ The message above is obviously written by someone ignorant. There are
many types. White distilled vinegar, rasbery balsamic vinegar, red
\_ [80 col. please]
wine balsamic vinegar (most common), olive vinegar, rice vinegar,
so on so forth.
\_ In fairness to the OP, there is such a thing as white balsamic
vinegar. But you ought to use the regular dark kind. Quality
it not *too* important, so just get something halfway decent.
-- different balsamic marinating guy
\_ Racist!
\_ Balsamic vinegar of color, then.
\_ Stop giving me black medicine! ... I mean ... black vinegar. |
| 2006/3/2-4 [Recreation/Food] UID:42059 Activity:nil |
3/1 http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060302/ap_on_fe_st/mcdonald_s_wedding Couples get married under the arches of... McDonalds. "Esteppe said she couldn't imagine a more romantic spot for their wedding. The couple walked down a white aisle laid on the restaurant's floor and had a traditional ceremony, not far from the counter." I bet they're Republicans. \_ Yes, as we all know Republicans are poor and into crappy food. |
| 2006/2/24-27 [Recreation/Food] UID:41997 Activity:nil |
2/24 Hey kngharv, I just want to thank you for replying to my posts.
When I was younger I didn't care much to learn about my culture
and my own people. Now I'm older, I'm constantly asking who I am,
where I came from, why I eat Chinese food, why my parents came
here, why they talk funny, etc. You are my bridge to my root.
Thank you kngharv.
\_ Wouldn't this kind of thing be better expressed in an email?
\_ Nah, the motd needs more bonhommie. -!op
\_ Feel free to ask more questions. I'll do my best to answer them.
I am also struggling with what you are struggling, in a slightly
different level. In a twisted way, people in mainland China
is strugling with this very same topic, as there is a gap
a whole generation wide that knows nothing about their own root.
kngharv |
| 2006/2/22-23 [Recreation/Food/Alcohol, Recreation/Food] UID:41948 Activity:moderate |
2/22 How do you like to prepare your steak? I'll start:
\_ marinate it in cheap cabernet for a whole week.
tender and tasty. Yummmm
\_ Seasoned with Crazy Salt, paprika, garlic powder, grilled, then
liberally doused with butter and lemon. Scrumptious.
\_ Coarse Sea Salt, Coarse Black Pepper, oil the grill, grill to
medium rare. Keep it simple.
\_ I just had an awesome filet done in balsamic vinegar. Yum. -John
\_ how long do you guys marinate it for? I had this awsome
steak that melted in the mouth one time. The waitress said
they age their steak in wine barrels for a few months.
I wonder what kind of marinate they used.
\_ Perhaps you misheard or she misspoke. If you 'aged' steak in
a marinade for months you would have only putrid sludge.
I'm thinking she might have meant 'dry aged' meat. Getting
back to your original question: Depends on size. Steaks
typically 12-36 hours. Larger roasts, 24-72 hrs.
\_ I have seen the results of marinating the head of a moose
in a 55 gallon drum of water for months, and it was indeed
putrid sludge. |
| 2006/2/6 [Recreation/Food] UID:41726 Activity:high |
2/6 Favorite fast food poll. Or have you outgrown fast food?
\_ McD fries |
| 2006/2/3-7 [Recreation/Food, Recreation/Food/Alcohol] UID:41696 Activity:low |
2/3 Apple sued based on iPod volume:
http://tinyurl.com/892c8
It's lawsuits like this that make our legal system look sue-happy. I
find that portable music players in general aren't loud enough and
occasionally have to use software to increase the volume on my mp3
files. Yet these type of suits force manufacturers to lower the
volume. I like listening to my music loud, being totally engulfed in
it. I know I'm putting my ears at risk, but that's my choice, just
like it was for this plantiff. It's common sense. If I ride my bike
down a steep hill in SF I could lose control in crash, should the bike
manufacturer put a warning that gravity could impact my ability to
control a bike on steep hills? NONSENSE!
\_ Uhm, did you ever figure that maybe you need to turn it up so high
because you have *already* damaged your hearing?
\_ Yep, and that's ok, it should be my choice. You only live
once, and if that means enjoying music at a nice loud
volume, but having to ask people to speak up or repeat things,
that's ok. Just because Oreos make me fat doesn't mean they
should be sued because I choose to eat a row a day, imparing my
health.
that's ok. Just because Oreos make me fat doesn't mean
Nabisco should be sued because I choose to eat a row a day,
imparing my health.
\_ All true but not really what I was getting at. But I guess
if you're willing to spend half your life unable to hear in
exchange for loud music today... shrug. I suspect your 50+
year old self will curse your 20-30 year old self when the
time comes. Let us know how that goes.
\_ "If I'd known I was going to live this long, I'd have
taken better care of myself."
\_ It would be interesting to see how much power it puts out of the
headphone jack compared to an early 80's Walkman. I suspect it is
about the same.
\_ Read the article; it claims most players put out 100db, the
iPod puts out 115db (except in Europe, where Apple was
required to limit it to 100db). -tom
\_ The 80's guy has a point, walkmans used to be louder, before
the lawsuit against Sony in the 80's. That's why all their
players now have AVLS, which lowers the volume down to a whisper.
There's actually hacks for some Sony walkmans to unlock the true
volume potential (http://tinyurl.com/b2ecw
\_ My Sony CD Walkman from 10yrs ago has a switch to turn off AVLS.
It has three settings: Off, AVLS 1 (less reduction), AVLS 2 (more
reduction).
\_ The earbud headphones are much more likely to damage your ears,
especially the iPod ones because 1) The speaker is much closer to
your ear canal and 2) It doesn't block out outside sound as well
which means people crank it up higher to filter out the world.
\_ This really is ridiculous. They have clear notices that cranking
it up can hurt you. We don't speed limit cars to 5mph because any
faster "could hurt or kill you".
\_ Actually, we do put speed limiters on cars.
\_ objection, argumentative.
\_ This reminds me of the McDonald lawsuit which a lady ordered a cup
of hot coffee, put it between her legs, drove off, spilled, burnt
herself, and sued because the hot coffee was hot. I think McD
should avoid future lawsuits by changin its menu offering:
Customer: One hot coffee please.
Cashier: Hot or cold?
Customer: Hot coffer please.
Cashier: The hot kind of hot coffee or the cold kind of hot coffee?
Customer: ......
\_ Stella Liebeck: http://www.lectlaw.com/files/cur78.htm
During discovery, McDonalds produced documents showing more than
700 claims by people burned by its coffee between 1982 and 1992.
McDonalds ... held its coffee at between 180 and 190 degrees ...
Other establishments sell coffee at substantially lower
temperatures. Liebeck, who also underwent debridement treatments,
sought to settle her claim for $20,000, but McDonalds refused.
McDonalds asserted that customers buy coffee on their way to
work or home, intending to consume it there. However, the
companys own research showed that customers intend to consume
the coffee immediately while driving.
For those preferring a biased source:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/8/1/141345/4615
\_ Just because the other establishments mislabel their warm
coffee as hot coffee, it doesn't mean McD should be required
to follow this practice.
\_ Now you're just trolling. If you don't know wth the case
was about, do us all a favor.
\_ If Liebeck thought the coffee was too hot, why was she
drinking it while driving? She wanted to burn her throat and
stomach?
\_ Well, I'd assume that she didn't know it was 'too hot'
until she'd already sustained severe burns. Your comment
suggests that either you didn't read the lectlaw link,
or that you missed some rather important details while
skimming it. Perhaps you should, at least, reread the
article.
\_ Erm who gives a shit? PP is right, why was she
drinking it while driving? A normal person will take
a sip, realize it's too hot, and wait. -John
\_ 1) she wasn't driving. 2) the vehicle wasn't in
motion. 3) the coffee was 185F. Do your homework
or STFU. Or don't. Whatever's funnier. *shrug*
\_ Actually, reading you get annoyed is pretty
funny. -John
\_ Yeahyeah, bite me. Punk. :P
\_ I have to agree. McD coffee has always been
nukingly hot, and takes forever to cool down in
its insulated container. annoying.
\_ Apple Discontinues Sales To Stupid People:
http://tinyurl.com/dg9q7 |
| 2006/2/2-4 [Recreation/Food/Alcohol, Recreation/Food] UID:41672 Activity:high |
2/3 Do people really freak out when seeing bones or seeing a fish head
when eating?
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/chronicle/archive/2006/02/01/FDGMRGTIIG1.DTL
\_ My sister won't eat meat if there's anything to remind her that the
meat is from an animal. But somehow the shape of a chicken breast
muscle doesn't push that button.. People are weird.
\_ I am guessing you are not Asian.
\_ You'd be correct.
\_ So I'm curious. Do you whities think that we Asians are
barbaric? -asian
\_ I'm stunned that you would have to ask. Of course we do,
what with your kancho video games and rice bomb cars and
those wacky samurai swords. Are you gonna try and convince
me to eat my dog next? I hope not, cuz that just ain't
happening mah brotha...
\_ Riceboys ain't yer brotha, white trash. -- n***er
\_ Riceboy ain't yer brotha, white trash. -- n***er
\_ You'd be correct. But this is beyond "not Asian". It's a
sad dissociation that people want to ignore where food comes
from.
\_ I think all kids should be taken hunting and/or fishing
when they are young. It eliminates BS pussies like your
sister and teaches respect for nature. I wanted to take my
9 year old pussy nephew who doesn't eat meat for similar
reasons duck hunting and his retard mom (similar to your
sister) has brainwashed him so much that he won't go. The
only meat he'll eat is pepperoni on pizza. That's just
plain wrong and (IMO) unhealthy physically and mentally.
- not OP
\_ In Japan there is a kind of sashimi where they take a live fish, cut
out all the flesh off one side of the fish except the head and the
tail, leaving the whole head, tail, skeleton, and the other side of
the body intact. Then they cut the flesh into sashimi, and put it
back on the fish body. They they serve it to the table. When you
eat the sashimi, the fish is still not dead yet. Its mouth and tail
still moves a little. I tried it once at a restaurant in the
still move a little. I tried it once at a restaurant in the
Kawasaki area called Bikkuri Sushi. Interestingly, "bikkuri" means
"surprise".
\_ I strongly agree.
\_ I totally agree. If you are going to be a uncivilized
barbarian and eat meat, you should be comfortable killing
and eating it like a wild animal.
If, on the other hand, you want to be a decent civilized
human being, eschew meat altogether and be a vegetarian.
\_ You grow all your own food? You only eat food that grows
natively in your region without the use of chemicals? You
don't eat food grown else where and brought in by diesel
burning trucks and ships? And why is it ok to eat plants
anyway? Plants are alive, the same as you and your dog,
fluffy.
\_ In Japan there is a kind of sashimi where they take a live fish,
cut out all the flesh off one side of the fish except the head and
the tail, leaving the whole head, tail, skeleton, and the other
side of the body intact. Then they cut the flesh into sashimi,
and put it back on the fish body. They they serve it to the table.
When you eat the sashimi, the fish is still not dead yet. Its
mouth and tail still move a little. I tried it once at a
restaurant in the Kawasaki area called Bikkuri Sushi.
Interestingly, "bikkuri" means "surprise".
\_ A faimly took me out to a restaurant in Tokushima and served me
this. It was called "ikizukure"(sp?) ("living, twitching")
sashimi, there. -- ulysses
\_ Thanks for the name. I forgot. It's either ikizukuri or
ikezukuri. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ikizukuri Check out
the picutre link at the bottom. When I had it, it's even
worse. The chef put the meat right on the body, and I
more worse. The chef put the meat right on the body, and I
had to pick the meat off the skeleton. -- PP
\_ There's a sushi place in Bel Air, CA that serves this.
\_ Any in the Bay Area?
\_ I find that both disgusting and cool.
Photos of the process and result:
http://www.oak.dti.ne.jp/~koione/english-ikizukuri.html
\_ This just seems gratuitously cruel.
the picutre link at the bottom. When I had it, it's even more
worse. The chef put the meat right on the body, and I had to
pick the meat off the skeleton. -- PP
\_ It looks like he bonked it on the head first...
\_ if you want to guarantee freshness, you have proof.
\_ Do they do anything with the other half of the fish, or does
that just go to waste?
\_ After finishing the sashimi, the customer has the option to
have the other half cooked into something else. I had soup
cooked from it. -- PP
\_ There's this scene in Oldboy where the guy eats a whole live
octopus, which wriggles all the way down. This definitely rules.
\_ I'm fine with fish & meat and the way it's caught and butchered,
but I really don't need to see it on my plate, staring at me. -John |
| 2006/2/2-4 [Recreation/Food] UID:41668 Activity:moderate |
2/2 What is your daily lunch budget? How much do you spend on lunch
each day especially Mon-Fri?
\_ How much do you REALLY save when you bring your own lunch?
Let's say you spend $8/lunch, and suppose there are 20
work days a month. That's $160 saving. But what about the
cost of buying leftovers, raw food, gas/electric, water
to wash, etc?
\_ You're kidding, right?
\_ Are you like the Carl's Jr commercial dude that never
visits a supermarket? Money is not the main issue here,
but it is significantly cheaper to cook stuff yourself
than to buy it at a restaurant. You think restaurant
only makes money because of economic of scale? ;)
\_ It depends on what you eat. Often it costs the same to
buy the ingredients as it does to buy the food prepared
precisely because of economies of scale and wholesale
discounts. If I make a lasagna from scratch it costs
a lot more than buying some at a restaurant. It tastes
better, but that's another issue. However, if I had to
feed 200 people with lasagna, I'd probably be better
off making it myself in terms of cost. If we were
talking about spaghetti and meatballs, though, it's
definitely cheaper to make at home. It just depends.
\_ I bring my own lunch. Healthier than eating out M-F.
\_ don't you have social pressure to eat with your co-workers?
\_ I do, we eat in the cafeteria.
\_ I bring lunch to save money. Many people at my workplace do.
\_ I considered doing that though it seems like it's probably
a good idea to get up a walk at least 10 minutes in each
direction to reach a fast food restaurant in order to move a
little and to spend some energy before and after spending the 4
hours of sitting on a chair and staring at a display ..
\_ you know how retarded that sounds, right?
\_ I simply take the stairs instead of the elevator to get around
the building. -- PP
\_ The display stares into you...
\_ We're not in Soviet Russia...
\_ That was not a Yakov Smirnoff reference. -!pp
\_ $5, most days.
\_ About $5. A daily Subway special + a large coffee drink.
\_ I usually bring my lunch, mostly due to my wife's insistence, who
packs one for me daily. On the rare occasion when I eat out, it
is $7-25 (SF Financial district is expensive)
\_ Your wife tells you what to eat for lunch? What do you
get in return?
\_ He gets to tell her what to "eat". (ba dum bum)
\_ Domestic harmony. You aren't married, are you?
\_ Doing everything the bitch says in the name of
harmony avoids fights but is still not healthy.
\_ But calling her "the bitch" is...
\_ Just a descriptive term. I'm not the bitch's
husband. I'm only an observer.
\_ But not a very keen one. The Domestic harmony
person was not the same poster. And you're
disturbingly quick with very harsh words about
people you don't know.
\_ Asshole.
\_ Dim, you might find that people are willing
to tolerate your stupidity if you are at
least courteous.
\_ You have no sense of humor. Do I
have to use smilies?
\_ No, I got the joke. I was just
stating the obvious.
\_ 1) You're an idiot. 2) I also generally eat
whatever my wife comes up with because it's
generally healthier, tastier, and cheaper than
whatever I would come up with on my own. It's only
being controlled if you're an idiot. (See item 1)
-!pp
\_ If you say it's cheaper/tastier/whatever that
makes sense. Doing it for 'domestic harmony'
is idiotic.
\_ Uhm, why? If it makes her happier and it doesn't
cost much to do it, then why not -- esp if there
are significant health benefits. Grow up, dude.
\_ What else do you do in the name of 'domestic
harmony'? What a stupid concession.
\_ Heh, c.f. 'grow up'.
\_ I bring leftovers and nuke them in the cafeteria where coworkers
spend $6-8/day.
\_ $6. Civic Center SF, plenty of cheap eats. Good to get out of the
building.
\_ $7-10, but I often make lunch my major meal.
\_ average is $8 ($6 some days $10 others). Cupertino, CA.
\_ company orders out for us every day, but it comes to $7-15 a
day roughly. Davis, CA
\_ $2-$3 for soup on days that I don't bring leftovers from dinner.
\_ You guys are boring. No one goes out and has four martinis with
the boss and then hits a strip club for lunch? Bringing
leftovers? Soup? Subway? Sheesh. |
| 2006/1/25-27 [Recreation/Dating, Recreation/Food] UID:41514 Activity:nil |
1/25 Porn Bread! http://www.porn-bread.com -John \_ You know, I find this vaguely disturbing, yet amusing. -mice |
| 2006/1/20-21 [Recreation/Food, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea] UID:41453 Activity:nil |
1/19 Food fight... Korean Style
http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200501/200501210041.html
\_ They don't look like they're having much fun. (Although the
audiance seems happy enough.)
\_ Not as hot as the cute jgirl commercial link posted earlier. |
| 2006/1/9-12 [Recreation/Food, Computer/SW/Languages/Misc] UID:41310 Activity:nil |
1/9 I'm trying to remember/find the (I can't remember which)
the 'food' or 'hunger' program that would modify the utmp
to reflect a user's hunger status. /csua/bin/foodp is just
a figlet wall script. -- Marco |
| 2005/12/18-20 [Recreation/Food] UID:41068 Activity:kinda low |
12/18 OK, I'm a serious carnitas fan, and I figure I should be able to make
it at home pretty easily. The problem is there's a lot of bad carnitas
out there (either bland or fried to death) and as a first time cook I
am having a hard time telling the good recipes from the bad. Does any
one have a tested and good recipt to share?i -glutton
\_ I love carnitas and as such I find most of it out there is
actually pretty good. If you find someplace you like then ask
for the recipe.
\_ Al Pastor >> Carnitas
\_ That's a little like saying "glazed pork shops >> bacon"
While the former may have more complexity, it will never have
the pure unctuous joy of the latter.
\_ My favorite Carnitas is from a place in Concord called LA TAPATIA.
They do fry it but not overly-done, and after a few times sampling it
you should be able to guess how they do it. It's on Willow Pass in
Concord, not too far from Fry's Electronics.
\_ Huh. They catered our building's holiday party a couple of weeks
ago. The food was ass, but none of its was Carntias.
They do fry it but not overly-done, and after a few times sampling
it you should be able to guess how they do it. It's on Willow
Pass in Concord, not too far from Fry's Electronics.
\_ Huh. They catered our building's holiday party a couple of
weeks ago. The food was ass, but none of its was Carntias.
\_ What's yer email? I'll send you a recipe. |
| 2005/12/15-16 [Recreation/Food] UID:41031 Activity:nil |
12/14 Woman hires hitman to kill 4 in order to get their cheese. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/06/AR2005120601038.html \_ She's not too bright. What's to stop the hitman from keeping the cheese? \_ turns out the hitman was a rat.. (singular/plural mistake fixed) |
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