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2013/3/29-5/18 [Reference/Religion, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Israel] UID:54643 Activity:nil
3/29    Old news but HITLERISM IS BACK!
        http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/aug/29/circumcision-ban-ignites-a-religious-battle-in-ger/?page=all
        \_ The "religious-battle-in-ger" part in the URL is funny.  "ger" in
           Cantonese happens to refer to the male genital.
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2012/12/4-18 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Israel] UID:54546 Activity:nil
12/4    Just saw a normal dating ad, except, it's JDATE. The people on the
        commercial don't even look Jew. Are they opening up the doors?
        \_ is she hot?
        \_ I dated a blonde Jewish girl from Wisconsin. She didn't look
           Jewish either.
2012/9/19-11/7 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Israel] UID:54480 Activity:nil
9/18    Why are so many ACCOUNTANTS Jewish? Not a troll, just curious.
        Gil. Goldberg. Levy. etc...
        \_ Perhaps b/c historically Jews (unlike Christians) were allowed
           to charge interest on loans (usury).
           \_ ok, fine. What about lawyers? I don't get that one.
              Goldberg. Ginsberg. Buergenthal. Rosenthal. Hoffman. Shapiro.
              \_ Arguing is part of the Jewish culture. It is sort of a
                 relgious thing too, if you look at the Talmud, it is a big
                 legalistic argument over the centuries. Good training for
                 arguing court cases.
                 \_ that explains how militant and illegal Israel got established
                 \_ that explains how militant and illegal Israel got
                    established
2010/6/6-11 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Israel] UID:53851 Activity:kinda low
6/6     It is impossible not to be reminded of the classic Jewish joke
        about the Jewish mother in Russia taking leave of her son, who
        has been called up to serve the Czar in the war against Turkey.
        "Don't overexert yourself'" she implores him, "Kill a Turk and
        rest. Kill another Turk and rest again…"
        "But mother," the son interrupts, "What if the Turk kills me?"
        "You?" exclaims the mother, "But why? What have you done to him?"
        \_ classic joke that no one but jew-haters have heard?  Helen Thomas is
           that you?
           \_ guess everyone on the motd is a jew-hater now.
           \_ I read it in the Tikkun newsletter.
2009/10/9-22 [Politics/Domestic/RepublicanMedia, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Israel] UID:53439 Activity:kinda low
10/9    Will Glen Beck's head explode?
        \_ Oh, I'm sure he'll rant and rave.  What else is new?
           Of course, giving Obama the peace prize is dumb, but it's a step
           up from Al Gore.  At least a dozen steps up from Arafat.
           \_ Kissinger beats them all.
              \_ Kissinger stunk, but worse than Arafat?  I dunno. That's close.
                 Granted, Kissinger was well before my time.
                 \_ I think massive secret bombing of Cambodia is a lot
                    worst than anything Arafat may have done.
           \_ Arafat, Peres and Rabin shared the prize in 1994 for bringing
              an end a 50 year long war between Egypt and Israel and finally
              bringing lasting security to Israel. Two of the three were
              assassinated by extremists from their own country in the next
              decade. Arafat himself was the subject of an assisnation attempt
              decade. Arafat himself was the subject of an assassination attempt
              for his work. It was actually one of the clearest cases in history
              where the Nobel Peace Prize was awarded to people to really
              deserved it. The wing-nut brigade in the US hates the award,
              but they hate the idea of Peace period.
        \_ Which one do you want to go away if you had just one choice:
           Glenn Beck or Ann Coulter?
             \_ Michelle Malkin
           \_ I love them both. "Never interrupt your opponent when he is
              making a mistake."
2009/4/23-28 [Reference/Religion, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Israel] UID:52899 Activity:nil
4/20    Ok, I am not a Jew hater.  In fact, most of my so-called "white"
        friends turned out to be Jews.   And I am fortunate to have
        \_ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UeBZiz_Dks
           \_ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3Xiy5aK3AU&NR=1
        opportunity to work with whole bunch Israelis and working with them
        has been an absolute pleasure.  HOWEVER, I just failed to understand
        why people got offended by the speech by Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.  In my
        relatively neutral point of view (I am an Asian),  most of what he
        said has strong points.  For example,  it is obvious that the
        Holocaust has greatly enhance the chance of creating the nation of
        Israel.  and Most Europeans, who has centuries of antisemtic history,
        decided that Palestine people should be the one who bear the cost of
        this statehood.
        It is also true that for all practical purposes, Israel is
        a racist Apartheid state.   What is wrong with these facts?  why
        people walked out for Iran to state the obvious?  or we don't have
        the guts to admit it yet?
        \_ why don't we wipe out all the chinese mainlanders so the Taiwanese
        can restore the former chinese dynasty? I mean this will greatly
        enhance the building up a freer China.
        \_ NO FREE SPEECH FOR RACISTS!
        \_ My observation: I did not hear the speech but some newspaper quoted
           Ahmadinejad mentioning the "question of Holocaust", and that's b.s.
           Holocaust is not a question. It's a historic fact. In any way
           I don't pay much to what he says because you know he's not sincere.
           He's kinda like many other muslim Holocaust deniers. ("Hitler did
           not kill all the Jews. And I am glad that he did!")
           \_ http://tinyurl.com/d8x9bk
              Apparently he did not question the existence of the Holocaust in
              this particular speech, though he has in the past.
           \_ first of all, he didn't denied it this time.  secondly, who
              cares if IRAN denies the Holocaust?  Last time I checked,
              Iran has nothing to do with Holocaust at first place.
              What I am seeing is that USA and rest of Europeans are the one
              in denial.  They want to deny the following trend of logic
              1.  Holocaust happened, this is not right
              2.  Jews need a homeland to protect themselves
              3.  Since non of us want Jews to establish homeland in our
                  territory, let's do that on Arab's land.
              4.  let's call Arabs "terrorist" because they don't accept this
                  arrangement and deny the fact that it was Arabs who provided
                  safe haven for Jews for centuries.
              \_ you're an idiot.
        \_ You're an idiot.
           \_ NO FREE SPEECH... oh fuggedaboitit
           \_ you need to do a better job than that.  I am sincere about all
              these things I've raised. There is a clear cause-effect
              relationship between Holocaust and creation of modern Israel
              nation.  I felt that majority of European nations and America
              are in denial of this.  By the way, there was a proposal to
              create an Jewish settlement in Alaska around the time of end ofr
              WW2. That proposal didn't even made it to the Senate floor and
              died in committe.
              \_ you're an idiot.
        \_ NO FREE SPEECH FOR RACISTS!
2009/4/21-23 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Israel] UID:52884 Activity:kinda low
4/20    Ok, I am not a Jew hater.  In fact, most of my so-called "white"
        friends turned out to be Jews.   And I am fortunate to have
        opportunity to work with whole bunch Israelis and working with them
        has been an absolute pleasure.  HOWEVER, I just failed to understand
        why people got offended by the speech by Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.  In my
        relatively neutral point of view (I am an Asian),  most of what he
        said has strong points.  For example,  it is obvious that the
        Holocaust has greatly enhance the chance of creating the nation of
        Israel.  and Most Europeans, who has centuries of antisemtic history,
        decided that Palestine people should be the one who bear the cost of
        this statehood.
        It is also true that for all practical purposes, Israel is
        a racist Apartheid state.   What is wrong with these facts?  why
        people walked out for Iran to state the obvious?  or we don't have
        the guts to admit it yet?
        \_ why don't we wipe out all the chinese mainlanders so the Taiwanese
        can restore the former chinese dynasty? I mean this will greatly
        enhance the building up a freer China.
        \_ NO FREE SPEECH FOR RACISTS!
        \_ My observation: I did not hear the speech but some newspaper quoted
           Ahmadinejad mentioning the "question of Holocaust", and that's b.s.
           Holocaust is not a question. It's a historic fact. In any way
           I don't pay much to what he says because you know he's not sincere.
           He's kinda like many other muslim Holocaust deniers. ("Hitler did
           not kill all the Jews. And I am glad that he did!")
           \_ http://tinyurl.com/d8x9bk
              Apparently he did not question the existence of the Holocaust in
              this particular speech, though he has in the past.
           \_ first of all, he didn't denied it this time.  secondly, who
              cares if IRAN denies the Holocaust?  Last time I checked,
              Iran has nothing to do with Holocaust at first place.
              What I am seeing is that USA and rest of Europeans are the one
              in denial.  They want to deny the following trend of logic
              1.  Holocaust happened, this is not right
              2.  Jews need a homeland to protect themselves
              3.  Since non of us want Jews to establish homeland in our
                  territory, let's do that on Arab's land.
              4.  let's call Arabs "terrorist" because they don't accept this
                  arrangement and deny the fact that it was Arabs who provided
                  safe haven for Jews for centuries.
              \_ you're an idiot.
        \_ You're an idiot.
           \_ NO FREE SPEECH... oh fuggedaboitit
           \_ you need to do a better job than that.  I am sincere about all
              these things I've raised. There is a clear cause-effect
              relationship between Holocaust and creation of modern Israel
              nation.  I felt that majority of European nations and America
              are in denial of this.  By the way, there was a proposal to
              create an Jewish settlement in Alaska around the time of end ofr
              WW2. That proposal didn't even made it to the Senate floor and
              died in committe.
              \_ you're an idiot.
2009/1/31-2/6 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/China, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Israel] UID:52492 Activity:low
1/30    http://www.antiwar.com/orig/ketcham.php?articleid=13506
        \_ How Israeli Backdoor Technology Penetrated the US Government's
           Telecom System and Compromised National Security
           \_ where's the discussion of the homeland?
           \_ I bet you love hammas.
              \_ I like hummus?
              \_ Are you anti-semitic or something?
        \_ most of our government's firewalls are from CHECKPOINT,
           the 'microsoft of Israel'.  I heard on NPR over a year ago that
           an Israeli company made the routers the NSA was using to sniff
           all traffic at the SF internet peering point.
2009/1/27-2/1 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Israel] UID:52477 Activity:kinda low
1/27    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090127/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_gaza_challenged_8
        In one classroom Saturday, when UNRWA schools reopened, a Palestinian
        teacher was filmed asking children about their trauma during the war.
        The unidentified teacher then told the children that Palestinians have
        to "wage war against them (Israelis) until they leave their land," and
        asked her students, aged about 8, how they should react.

        Two children in the class suggested hurling stones or rockets back at
        Israel. "Okay," the teacher said, apparently summing up her class'
        position. "We throw rockets at them, we throw stones at them," she
        said.
        \_ Yawn
        \_ Yes, the appropriate response to invasion by foreigners is
           surrender! How dare they defend themselves?
           \_ Would you like freedom fries with that?
           \_ I wouldn't ever advise kids to throw rocks at an army.  Maybe the
              teacher should be throwing rocks at Hamas (their elected gov't).
                \_ right! we got rid of our moron leader Bush.. they should
                 do the same or stfu
           \_ Who is the foreigner? The land belongs to both. However, only
              one side is willing to accept the presence of the other.
              \_ Complete bullshit.  c.f. "right of return".  Also, there are
                 Israelis who don't accept the presence of the Arabs.  Clearly
                 the Palestinians have by far the worse situation, they have
                 the worst land, are poor, and live under a sort of Israeli
                 lockdown.  So it's not really surprising that Israel is more
                 accepting of this situation.
                 But this is how peace always works.  It takes one side or the
                 other to basically give up.  But this only works when there is
                 a viable alternative path, like Germany and Japan after WWII
                 were pretty fucked, especially Germany, but there was an
                 economic path to prosperity.  The Palestinians' situation is
                 being in disjointed non-nation territories with various
                 instances of Israeli settlement and security checkpoints etc.
                 \_ Israel has a rather large Palestinian population (20%) and
                    Palestinians are represented in the Knesset. There is
                    no reason why the Palestinians cannot live in Israel.
                    As for 'right of return' they mostly left on their own
                    accord fearing that Israelis would be as barbaric as they
                    are and most of them don't want back. They want their
                    own State, which they already fought for and lost.
                    \_ Isreal will not let them back, that is why they
                       cannot live in Israel. Some left in 48, some were
                       forcibly moved and most were born since then.
                       \_ If they were born since then how can they "go back"?
                          Can Americans go back to England? Can Mexicans
                          go back to Spain? They are being ridiculous.
                          \_ How could the Jews "go back" to "their" holy land.
                             \_ Thank the Brits.
                          \_ Germans can "go back" to Germany, even the ones
                             born two generations after their grandparents
                             were shipped by Stalin to the Urals. Many other
                             countries use Jus sanguinis (nationality by
                             blood) rather than Jus soli (nationality by
                             place of birth) even the US, to a certain
                             extent.
        \_ can I say Israel is a "racist" nation just because by definition
           it is a "Jewish" state?   It is well known that Palestinians in
           Israel doesn't have the same right as regular Jews.
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