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12/25 |
2013/3/29-5/18 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea] UID:54644 Activity:nil |
3/29 Indiana, racist? http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/indiana-student-sparks-outrage-video-mocking-asians-article-1.1282920 \_ Everyone is racist. Even you, I bet. \_ heil hitler! |
2012/11/9-12/18 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea] UID:54529 Activity:nil |
11/9 I just noticed that the English Wikipedia page for Gangnam Style is four times as long as the Korean page. \_ It probably needs more explanation here. But maybe Korean is 4x as dense as English anyway? |
2012/2/29-3/26 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea] UID:54321 Activity:nil |
2/29 "U.S. announces diplomatic breakthrough with North Korea" http://www.csua.org/u/vmc (news.yahoo.com) The Kim's threatening has once again worked. |
2012/2/24-3/26 [Politics/Domestic/Crime, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea] UID:54314 Activity:nil |
2/24 "How the U.S. Could Pressure North Korea Tomorrow: Quit the $100 Bill" http://www.csua.org/u/vkl (news.yahoo.com) |
2010/7/23-8/9 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea] UID:53895 Activity:nil |
7/22 What's the quick rule to determine if a Korean name is male or female? I'd hate to address Mr/Ms incorrectly. For example, is Ji Hoon a male or female name? What about He Joon? Does "joon" have any gender connotation? \_ That's like asking a non-English speaker about difference between John and Jane. There's no quick rule that can be applied. I suppose there is a long list of rules that can be applied, but I'm not going to come up with it. He-Joon is almost certainly a female name. Ji-Hoon is a bit vague. I'd guess male, but I can't say for sure. Joon has no connotation. "He-Joon" is female, but "Kang-Joon" is likely male. \_ "Jayne" and "Jean". God help you if you don't actually see it spelled in the original language. \_ I don't think there is an easy way, you just have to put your hand down there and check. \_ Not sure that is sufficient in these days of EZMode xgender operations. \_ There's no good way. Even Koreans have trouble with this. When I was in Korea the Koreans would write a designation of male or female when writing a name on the board at a meeting to clear this up. As the above poster said, some names do become obvious when you get used to either the patterns, but some don't. -jrleek |
2009/11/2-17 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea] UID:53493 Activity:nil |
11/2 Koreans don't like foreigners: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/02/world/asia/02race.html?_r=1 \_ Me either man. Good food tho. |
2009/9/2-9 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/China, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea] UID:53322 Activity:nil |
9/2 "Freed reporters say they were dragged into NKorea - Yahoo! News:" http://www.csua.org/u/oyx |
2009/7/8-16 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea] UID:53122 Activity:nil |
7/8 "Officials: N. Korea believed behind cyber attacks" http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090708/ap_on_re_as/as_skorea_cyber_attack |
2009/5/26-30 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea] UID:53042 Activity:nil |
5/26 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8067711.stm WAR |
2009/5/11-18 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea, Politics/Foreign/Europe] UID:52983 Activity:nil 80%like:52980 |
5/10 A Quite good article about the financial crisis: http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200905/imf-advice |
2009/5/10-11 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea, Politics/Foreign/Europe] UID:52980 Activity:nil 80%like:52983 |
5/10 A Quite good article about the financial crises: http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200905/imf-advice |
2009/4/3-12 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea] UID:52795 Activity:nil |
4/3 "North Korea Perfects Its Diplomatic Game: Brinkmanship" http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/03/world/asia/03korea.html Any chance that those two American journalists are actually working *for* North Korea in a hoax? |
2009/3/4-6 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea] UID:52675 Activity:low |
3/4 you'd think there would be a way to end north korea. we wouldm't even have to clean up. We could make South Korea do it! \_ South Korea doesn't want to clean up North Korea's mess either. \_ Any suggestions? \_ there was an article on Forign Affair stated that China essentially has set up a "shadow government skeleton" within China so in case of total collapse China can implant them in. Again, it is not in China's, nor South Korean's interest to see the total collapse of N.Korea just because they have to deal with millions of refugees. USA, on the other hand, doesn't give a crap and just want to see the regime go away. |
12/25 |
2009/2/28-3/5 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea] UID:52663 Activity:nil |
2/28 SK Prez attempts to crush free speech, MBC posts on youtube (Note, the first 30s or so are in Korean, then English, Chinese, French, Spanish, and Japanese) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKcXOUohin0&feature=related |
2009/1/9-14 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea] UID:52350 Activity:nil |
1/9 Korea's version of "Angry SysAdmin" arrested for "spreading false rumors". http://csua.org/u/n8d Lee Myung-bak (current SK prez) is completely bonkers. -jrleek |
2008/12/19-28 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea] UID:52284 Activity:nil |
12/19 Woo-hoo! Brawl in the SK parliament! http://csua.org/u/n5b http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/19/world/asia/19korea.html?em |
2008/12/18-28 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea] UID:52274 Activity:nil |
12/18 You know why US economy is messed up? North Korean SUPERNOTES. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superdollar http://www.slate.com/id/2124884 Throughout WW2, Germany produced supernotes to ruin the British/US economy. N Korean is doing the very same thing today. \_ Seriously? You believe this crap? \- pakistan has flooded places like nepal with high denomination fake indian rupees and they they are often not accepted. |
2008/11/22-28 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/China, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea] UID:52075 Activity:nil |
11/22 http://money.cnn.com/2008/11/22/news/economy/Bush_APEC Bush pushes for free trade, allowing unskilled and uneducated work to move to overseas so that unskilled and uneducated Americans can get better education in community college where they can be productive again in corporations like Walmart and McDonalds. |
2008/11/21-28 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea, Politics/Domestic/911, Politics/Domestic/Crime] UID:52070 Activity:nil |
11/21 "The year 2025: Oil, dollar out; Russia, Islam in" http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081121/ap_on_go_ot/intel_trends (National Intelligence Council report) |
2008/10/9 [Science/GlobalWarming, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea] UID:51459 Activity:nil |
10/9 Bush to roll over on North Korea: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081009/ap_on_re_eu/eu_nuclear_nkorea_11 |
2008/9/25-30 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea] UID:51287 Activity:nil |
9/25 NK arcade! http://www.ukresistance.co.uk/2008/09/inside-north-korean-arcade.html \_ I thought reporters and cameras are banned in N Korea? WTF |
2008/8/6-10 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:50800 Activity:nil |
8/6 Pro-US rallies greet Bush in Seoul. http://csua.org/u/m12 (Blog w/ pics & vid and link to Rueters) Actually, when I was a missionary in SK, Bush made a visit (Feb 2002). An odd fellow in the neighborhood brought us a cake to give to Bush. I guess because we were the closest Americans he knew. It said (in Korean) "Welcome Bush". Anyway, we told him we couldn't give it to Bush, so he told us to eat it. We did. -jrleek \_ Good to hear that Bush has done a good job of improving our image overseas. \_ You ate it? Wow, you are VERY brave. I would have assumed it was poisoned. \_ A) This was 2002. B) We knew the guy, he was harmless, just a bit kooky. -jrleek \_ We forced them to import our beef again, and they still like us? It's not clear from the article what Bush did recently that more than offset the negative feeling from the beef issue. \_ My understanding is that the protests were less about beef, and more about the current SK prez, Lee Myung Bak. The beef was just sort of a handy flashpoint. -jrleek Addendum: It was good flashpoint largely because Lee Myung Bak was being so high-handed about it and had terrible PR. \_ Can someone explain why beef import is such a touchy issue in Korea? -clueless \_ Again, my impression is that it wasn't that the beef was such a huge deal, it's that Lee Myung Pak is pissing everyone off. He seems to think he's Park Chung-hee (The 1st military dictator.) My understanding is that it went something like this: Lee: We're importing beef again. A few protestors: Hey! Lee: Stupid poor people, always protesting. Everyone else: WTF? Rawr! \_ I talked to my wife about this after I got home. I had forgotten but Lee Myung Bak is/was a member of a VERY large church in Seoul. My wife guessed that a large chunk of the pro-US group was from that church and 'allied' churches. -jrleek |
2008/8/1-5 [Recreation/Food, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea] UID:50756 Activity:nil |
7/31 NK food crisis redux http://csua.org/u/lzp \_ Koreans have been doing this for so long that I don't give a shit anymore. |
2008/7/14-23 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/China, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea] UID:50570 Activity:nil |
7/14 Source of the torture techniques used at Gitmo revealed to be... Chinese Torture Tactics from the Korean War: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/02/us/02detain.html |
2008/5/23-31 [Recreation/Food, Reference/Military, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea] UID:50045 Activity:nil |
5/23 http://www.christiangunowner.com/handgun_shooting_stance.html URL says it all. \_ Ok? Who cares? What's your point? \_ http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24818417 S Koreans hate US beef \_ Dude, there are protests in Korea all the time. There's always a protest going on somewhere over something. Farmers against lowering food tariffs is a pretty normal one. -jrleek \_ Is US beef shipped to S Korea cheaper than local Korean beef? \_ Yes. S. Korea has little aritable land and mostly small family farms. |
2008/2/28-3/4 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea, Finance/Investment] UID:49291 Activity:nil |
2/28 I just found out N Korea has been printing superbills in an attempt to devaluate American dollars. What's scary about this is that the superbills are indistinguishable from real printed money. That is so fucked up. Damn you Kim Jong Il! \_ I doubt he was doing it just to devaluate US dollars. It's not like he couldn't use the money. \_ BTW, does counterfeiting one currency have any effect on other currencies other than the exchange rates against the counterfeited currency? \- pakistan also counterfitted INR 500Rs rupee notes. i think it most you can cause problem in a small area. like this led to Rs 500 rupee notes not being accepted in nepal, but not that big a problem all over. \_ Probably more for the desperately needed foreign goods than to devalue the dollar. \_ They should start running the African Nigerian scam with a N Korea twist. They can profit from dumb ass greedy Americans while teaching Americans a lesson. |
2008/1/11-16 [Politics/Domestic/Abortion, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea] UID:48933 Activity:moderate |
1/11 Separated-at-birth twins get married - Yahoo! News: http://www.csua.org/u/kgf \_ The part omitted is how they found out they were twins. \_ "Ewww you kiss like my mom!" \_ Doesn't this imply you kiss your mom the way you'd kiss a girlfriend? \_ "Your dick can reach inside me as deep as Daddy's." \_ Does IVF involve one egg or multiple eggs? \_ IVF generally involves multiple eggs. It's expensive and hard on the mother, so they want to make sure at least 1 sticks. Anyway, I don't think these twins were convieved via IVF. \_ "Alton raised the case of the married twins -- who were born after IVF treatment ......" \_ Oh, I wish my sis and I were separated at birth ...... \_ Why, do you want to do her? \_ Why else!? \_ Sounds like something out of a Korean drama series... \_ Bahahahaha good one! |
2007/12/15-20 [Politics/Foreign, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea, Politics/Domestic/President] UID:48813 Activity:low |
12/15 http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/12/15/military.gambling/index.html Military Slot Machines make $130mil/year from its soldiers to pay for things army can't pay for. \_ Our education system is paid for by lottery also. \_ This country is endlessly willing to take advantage of the weak/stupid -- witness our tolerance for predatory lending. And we don't even bother teaching people the financial ramifications in school anymore. What's more, we even made bankruptcy more difficult. Most people who end up in bankruptcy suffered from a medical emergency, or got divorced. Now we make it even more difficult for such people to recover--in the name of more profit for the already rich. What a generous Christian country we are! \_ Nice troll. Are you also against freedom to smoke and freedom to gamble? \_ How about being against manipulating nicotine levels to hook people without informing that nicotine was as addictive as heroin? How about being against not warning tobacco companies' victims that smoking causes cancer and emphysema, even if TC's knew it, but rather lying about those even if TC's knew it knew it, but rather lying about those two things? How about setting up slot machines with a .25 payout without saying so? Are you glad that Government forced regulation on industry in those instances? Now how about some regulations on predatory lending? \_ "Predatory lending". Pft. Everything is right there in front of the people signing. I didn't have a single finance class of \_ yes, but how many of them understand it and the real ramifications? Do you think it's OK for smart people to take advantage of stupid ones? Morally OK? Granted, government can't protect stupid people from themselves and all of the unscrupulous smart people, but right now government is aiding and abetting the bastards who're taking advantage of the stupid. You know, these contracts aren't really clear, they should read: "I know I am signing a contract which is likely to screw me over a few years down the road". screw me over a few years down the road". Much like the warnings on cigarette labels: "Warning: product causes cancer." \_ Best Troll Evar! any sort K-12+College but I still managed to figure out that an \_ congratulations, you're not stupid! Now how would you feel if by a combination of having been born stupid and having been taken advantage of by someone smarter than you, that you lost your house? Do you think that some divine right exists for smart people to screw stupid ones over? Now, do you think you're smarter than every possible bastard who would exploit your ignorance in some area to dispossess you for his benefit? ARM is incredibly risky, *requires* a refi before the rates go up and managed to figure out that the 40 year historic lows in the lending market were not going to stay that way forever. That's a totally different issue from the bakruptcy laws, medical or divorce induced financial collapse, etc. No one knows they're going to get sick but most people do have insurance and everyone knows they will get sick at some point. Divorce laws are just broken. |
2007/8/6-8 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea] UID:47547 Activity:nil |
8/6 wtf? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fan_Death \_ Every so often I'm reminded why I keep reading the motd. Thank you Motd. \_ Figures. It's not unexpected from the South Koreans. \_ I heard this a number of times in Korea, I've even heard a number of the explaniations given in the article. -jrleek |
2007/7/30-8/2 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea] UID:47468 Activity:nil |
7/30 http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2007/fit.nation/obesity.map Fattest states: The South. \_ Hmmm, let's see. Diet high in fats. Highest obesity rates.... Eureka! You've discovered the secret! Wowerz! \_ Does the cheese explain Wisonsin? Or was that Michigan? \_ I bet the heat also plays a part. It's too hot to want to be active outside. People just drive around everywhere with the AC on. White people are suited to live in shady forests, not sweltering suburbs. |
2007/7/15-17 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea, Science/GlobalWarming, Science/Electric] UID:47297 Activity:nil |
7/14 Korean Researchers Develop Plastic Solar Cells: http://urltea.com/zd8 (chosun.com) |
2007/5/17-19 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea] UID:46675 Activity:very high |
5/17 Korean trains in historic link-up http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6664091.stm Basically, SK pays NK $80mil for a for a symbolic train crossing. What the heck, SK? Why do you continue to play the enabler? -jrleek \_ Not sure why YOU would care about SK. I'm Asian and even I don't really give a damn. \_ jrleek is married to a Korean woman, but this is irrelevant. Anyone interested in International Relations should give a damn about what happens with SK/NK. Fallout here will have repercussions on the region for decades. Wake up. (Also, cue stoopid jokes about International Relations.) \_ I think SK is on really good drugs. It must be related to being a benevolent military dictatorship for so long. I doubt SK is prepared to pull a West Germany and carry the terrible economy of NK around for decades after reunification. \_ same reason why US bail out Mexico Peso back in the 1990s. a complete collapse of a neighboring country is never a good thing... refugee is a bit painful to deal with. \_ There's also a lot of sentiment built up in SK about a possible reunification; many SK people still have relatives/ancestral homes on the NK side of the DMZ. \_ At least when I lived in Korea, refugee from NK was not a problem. The tension between the two Koreas have gotten more relaxed, but it's much more difficult to cross a border of not just barbed wires, but minefields(in this article, it mentioned the need to clear out all the landmines) and soldiers with guns pointing at each other. In the mid 80s, a NK family escaped to SK by sea, and they were made instant celebrities. The government provided them everything they need to get started, not to mention all of the TV shows they were on. The father of the family made TV celebrity appearances for years after. (Just to give you an idea of how rare it is for people to illegally cross the border.) That said, there are many in Korea that has felt enmity against US and blame them for keeping the country divided despite the people's wishes. I believe US still has a fair amount of military influence in SK, which doesn't help the anti-US sentiments. \_ Yeah, according to my wife, escapees used to get a lot of money from the govt. and be minor celeberties. Now there are money from the govt. and be minor celebrities. Now there are too many to keep that up. I haven't met many people who think the US is keeping Korea divided, although many (correctly) blame the US for dividing it in the first place. Although, of course the blame for that mistake can be spread around fairly liberially. -jrleek around fairly liberally. -jrleek \_ I guess we should have let Kim Sung I turn entire peninusla into glorious juche paradise? \_ I haven't kept up-to-date to realize that more people are escaping now. There is a lot of sentiment against US like any country where US has occupying forces. Don't know about recent elections, but past presidential elections were generally approved/disapproved by US, though not officially. In that aspect, US had a lot of political influence as well through the 80s and early 90s. \_ A lot of the anti-US sentiment has to do with criminal behavior on the part of US military personnel, esp. when it goes unpunished. Many people in Korea understand that US military presence is necessary to prevent NK's version of reunification, i.e. invasion, but they'd just as soon do without the rape and hit-and-runs. \_ While the few bad egg behaviors does cause an outrage, I don't think it would create the sort of sentiments that exists. While I and many do understand the need of US involvement to maintain peace, there are those who would rather make unification a number one goal, peace be damned. Sort of a "it's our problem, let us deal with it." Here's some (one-sided) details on US involvement in SK throughout the history: http://www.kimsoft.com/2002/anti-uslwr.htm The article mentions that it began in the 1800s. My theory is that most of the strong resentments stem from 1945/1948 through the presidency of Noh Tae Woo. \_ Perhaps I'm missing the point here, but I challenge you to show me any SK citizen who would welcome reunification under NPRK rule. \_ I don't mean welcome NPRK rule, especially given how much brainwashing is/was done in SK to think that anyone that speaks like a "North Korean" is a NK spy. (like using the Korean word for "comrade") I think these people are shortsighted and only see it as "NK and SK are both one Korea and we are as one" and not seeing that Kim Jung Il will not unify Korea except under his dictatorship. These people believe that if US leaves, the two Koreas can talk to each other peacefully and come to an agreement of a democratic unification. While this is a view of the extreme end, these are the people that are vocalizing their hatred of US. Most people are too busy living their own lives to care. \_ You have completely ignored the fact that whenever the US has large numbers of troops deployed to a place for any significant period of time, the locals always end up wanting us out. See Okinawa, Philipines, SK, etc. |
2007/4/23-25 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea] UID:46424 Activity:kinda low |
4/23 http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/22/us/22vatech.html One month ago, Cho rented a van, spent an hour practicing at an indoor shooting range with his Glock, and recorded many videos in the van while parked in the range parking lot. http://tinyurl.com/ytau8u (huffingtonpost.com) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asperger_syndrome Parents say Cho was diagnosed with autism upon arriving in U.S. More recent symptoms consistent with Asperger syndrome. "a contributing factor - compounded by vicious bullying by his peers - which led to multi-diagnosis, sociopathic rage and delusions" \_ Man murders 33 people in pre-meditated cold blood. Didn't know any of them. Diagnosis: sociopath. I didn't need a degree or a study to figure that out. \_ Autism and Asperger syndrome. If you really know what those are, I'm satisfied. \_ Autism and Asperger syndrome. Do you really know what these are? \_ Autism and Asperger syndrome. IMO you should really understand what these are - then you'll understand what I wrote. At that point it's fine by me if you return to your old conclusion. \_ I know exactly what autism and asperger's are. What does that have to do with anything? Are you trying to claim that autism/asperger's victims are more likely to be sociopathic killers? If that wasn't your point then you'll have to clarify. |
2007/4/18-20 [Recreation/Computer/Games, Reference/Military, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea] UID:46364 Activity:moderate |
4/18 I can't hit shit with my dominant hand with a .22 How the hell did Korean Shooter manage to shoot 50 people? Did Chow Yun Fat train him? \_ Some people are naturals...I personally took a pistol course offered through my martial arts class taught by the same people who train FBI agents. AT the end we were tested, I got an expert level marksmanship (highest). I hit the target every single time (50 rounds)...only two rounds were not within the first circle of the target. This was all while moving, at varying distances. Note, I've never owned a gun before or since. I do have better than 20-20 eyesight. -scottyg \_ the sheeple just sat there waiting for their turn \- he did a lot of "hand exercises" \_ lots of CS. many victims were shot 3+ times, some in the head, which is what you do in CS -- shoot for the body while they jump around, and then for the head when they slow down. besides, most dead people were found in two classrooms, with him blocking the only exit (no backdoor). he shot a girl in the mouth. \_ What does CS stand for? \_ Counter-Strike \_ Unless he was playing CS on a Wii or with a Light Gun, I don't see how this translates. Your mouse is not a pistol. \_ ob CS + hands-on practice + some dexterity a friend who is a trained shooter pulls single shots between multi-second pauses playing a stand-up arcade game. I agree just CS is not sufficient. \_ Glock 19 comes with 3 15round mags. From the picture of the hollow points, and the statement of the gun store, he bought Remington HPs - the cheapest HP - because they come in qty 50 Most HPs are sold in qty 20. |
2007/4/17-18 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea, Politics/Domestic/SIG] UID:46344 Activity:kinda low |
4/17 http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=3048108 Professor who taught a poetry class he was enrolled in: Cho seemed "extraordinarily lonely -- the loneliest person I have ever met in my life" \_ What is the standard procedure for civilians when someone starts shooting, according to the gov? "Stay put, do what they want, don't fight back. Bend over." That's insane, that's the exact opposite of what they teach LE and military. They teach you to shoot back! Fight back when given a chance. Look for cover, move! Not to stand still and just let him shoot you. \_ They've all heard the Barbara Streisand (BS) that "if you resist \_ They've all heard the Barbra Streisand (BS) that "if you resist you stand a greater chance of getting hurt or killed." Or that "if you give them what they want they'll go away." What do you then do if "what they want" is your life! \_ I think most of the deaths happened in an enclosed space and the targets had no way of running away. What do you think? \_ Gun control advocates state that if you have a gun it will most likely be used against you.. .too bad out of 32 chances for that to happen it didn't happen .. no one took the gun away from the shooter.. but on 33 the gun did get turned against the shooter when he killed himself. \_ yeah, those goddamn cowardly stupid victims should've been NRA members and held civil disobedience against the stupid gun ban. You know, I think you guys have this right. This is the perfect time to carve empty political points out of a tragedy. \_ Yes and the anti-gun folks aren't hammering away at this from the get-go, right? PKB. |
2007/4/17-19 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea, Reference/Military] UID:46342 Activity:nil 71%like:46337 |
4/17 http://tinyurl.com/3973ly (latimes.com) Killer, a 23-year-old senior English major, virtually never spoke to roommate or suitemates. Wrote a play for class where a kid suffocates his father-in-law with a rice krispy treat. http://tinyurl.com/34dewa (washingtonpost.com) Simultaneously wielded handguns in both hands during the attack. High school friends say he was a big fan of Counter-Strike. \_ Mr. Robinson? \_ Chau Yun-Fat style. |
2007/2/22-26 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea] UID:45795 Activity:low |
2/22 Korea tested a nuke and we're not doing anything about it. Iran is planning to test a nuke in a year or so and we're having a cow. What's with the double standard? If anything we should disarm these sneeky bastards first. \_ Seoul is within arty range of over 1K arty pieces buried inside NK mountains. \_ Why did they choose for capital a city that close to the NK border anyway? \_ It is a lot harder to disarm someone who has the bomb than it is to prevent them from getting one. What do you recommend to disarm NK? Nuking half of NK? A land invasion would make Iraq look like the police action it is. An air campaign would be useless. \_ There is no oil in NK. |
2007/2/13-17 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea] UID:45727 Activity:high |
2/13 N. Korea agrees to shutdown nuclear program in exchange for 1 million tons of fuel oil per year: http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2007-02-11-nkorea-nuke-talks_x.htm \_ Basically, I'll believe it when I see it. I sure NK is perfectly happy to get free fuel oil, but I'm a little sceptical of them keeping up their side of the deal. On the other hand, if China really signs on, this may be real progress. \- i agree. [no opinion on the china part, tho]. \_ Pretty much: believe this sort of thing when they hand over their reactors. \_ How much is one ton as an oil measuring unit? Is it still 2000lb? \_ I'm assuming yes. Using 1010 kg/m^3 as the density of fuel oil, this is about 237 million gallons. For reference, I think that the largest oil tanker in the world holds ~ 10.5 million gallons. this is about 237x10^6 gal. For reference, I think that the largest oil tanker in the world holds ~ 10.5x10^6 gal. \_ Never negotiate with terrorists. \_ Just for the record, NK hasn't done any international terrorism for 20 years. It don't think brinkmanship diplomacy counts as terrorism. Jump to "6. Terrorism": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_relations_of_North_Korea -jrleek \_ They 'tested' a missile by throwing it OVER japan, and 5 years ago they threatened to turn the surrounding area into a sea of flames. They want to be taken seriously as an international terrorist menace, the US takes them seriously as an international terrorist menace, so what's the problem? \_ Admittedly, this is a little grey, but generally people think of terrorism as killing large numbers of innocents. Did either of those event qualify? No? Then it's brinkmanship. If you think threats qualify as terrorism, I'm ok with that. \_ It isn't an act of terror. It is an highly provocative act begging for war. Many long bloody wars have been fought through out history over less. \_ Ok, thanks for agreeing with me. \_ I agree it isn't an act of terror. Terror is what non-gvt entities do. When gvt's do the same things, they are acts of war. When a gvt sponsors a third party terrorist group, the terrorist group is committing an act of terror but the gvt is committing an act of war, even for the same act. \_ While I'm on a roll here, what about official north korean state sanctioned counterfeiting of the US 100 dollar bill and heroin shipping? \_ Drug dealers and counterfeiters are terrorists? You really are an "if you aren't with us, you're with the terrorists" kinda guy, huh? \_ The NK government is doing the counterfeiting but nice try. \_ I guess I don't understand your response. If an individual counterfeits, he is not a terrorist, but if a government counterfeits, they are terrorists? \_ No. I was directly responding to your implication that the counterfeiting was being done by non-gvt entities. The counterfeiting is a form of economic aggression. What I said above in the other sub-thread about lobbing missiles over Japan: many wars have been started over less. \_ I didn't mean to imply that the counterfeiting was by non-gvt entities. Re-reading it, I can't see how you got that. So, again, thanks for agreeing with me. \_ I'm not going to quibble with you over whether the counterfeiting is an act of terror or an act of war. It doesn't matter since the point of this whole thread was that NK is run by psychotic paranoids who commit evil acts on a continuing and daily basis. They were not "just" 20 years ago. They were 20 years ago, they were today and they were every day in between. \_ If you wanted a whole thread about how NK is run by psychotic paranoids, you should have started one. I just pointed out that the particular breed of nasty stuff NK does is not generally considered state -sponsored terrorism, and provided evidence. WHICH YOU ADMIT IS TRUE. However, you seem to have taken this simple statement as some sort of sweeping defense of NK's bad behavior, and gone ape trying to attack that straw man. Next time try responding to what people actually write, rather than what the voices in your head say. (or shut-up) \_ *laugh*, So anyway, if you want to quibble over "terrorist" vs. the more accurate, "act of war", you're welcome to. Perhaps you can start a club for the extreme OCD and the pedantic. The only difference between NK's actions and any random terrorist group's action is NK is a state actor while the RTG is not. And since you brought it up, you should really go back and re-read who said what to see who is screaming in all caps and going ape-shit and who has maintained the same simple line of reasoning. Hint: the all-caps wasn't mine. Have a nice day and please do try to keep the personal attacks to a minimum. It doesn't help your cause and it's quite boring. \_ Ha. I like that. Traslation: "You were right the whole time, but you're still wrong." Cool. \_ Hey, wait a minute. I just went back and re-read everything. This misunderstand occured because you don't know what "brinkmanship" means. Go look it up, and lo, ye shall be enlightened. \_ How about kidnapping of foreign nationals (including South Koreans) in foreign soil (e.g. Hong Kong)? \_ This may qualify, but how recently? Most incidents I'm aware of occured >= 20 years ago. \_ And they're still holding them so every single day right now. \_ Most of the Japanese have been returned, or have died. The vast majority of the abducted were South Korean, the the SK govt. is kind of ignoring them. (The SK chinese embassy recently turned away an escaped SK abductee.) Anyway, I'd chalk that up to the NK inability to ever admit they were wrong, rather than contuined terrorist activity. In any case, I'm not trying to defend NK, I'm just saying they don't really qualify as terrorist to most people. Also, those abductions are mostly unknown, which means that most people aren't "terrified" of them. \_ "Most" have been returned. Or they died in captivity. Very nice. All is good then! Let's party! And since the SK govt is terrified of a war with the NK they have cynically decided to ignore the kidnappings so that must be ok, too! Yay for the SK gvt making the right moral choice. Not. And since the NK is emotionally incapable of admitting fault, that makes kidnapping foreign citizens ok, too. Yay! Much happiness! And finally since the gvt and SK media have decided to bury the issue, most people are unaware of it so they're not afraid and thus the original act of kidnapping wasn't a problem. Yay! I'm so glad you were here to clean all that up. And here I was thinking all this time the NK gvt is run by a bunch of evil paranoid psychotics who have been threatening their southern neighbors for 50+ years and now have nukes, too. I feel so much better now. The only thing you missed was how NK is really the victim of all this and if the West would just give peace a chance and stop provoking the NK and respect them it'd all be good. \_ As I said, I am not defending NK. I'm saying that "terrorist" has a fairly well accepted meaning, that NK does not _CURRENTLY_ fit. Is NK run by an evil bunch of criminals? Yes. Is every evil criminal a terrorist? No. \_ They aren't terrorists. Governments are not terrorist entities. Governments can however commit the same acts as terrorists. In those cases we call them acts of war. \_ Also, for the record, I don't really think SK reluctance to push these kinds of issues is due to fear of war. From what I see in SK politics, it seems like they're more afraid of having their "Sunshine policy" shown for the naive drivel it is. \_ It's either that or Kim torrents a bunch of movies. Do you support piracy? \_ Why are so many South Koreans pro North Korea over the evil satanic United States that stations several hundred thousand servicemen in SK so the NK does NOT just come marching in? I don't get it. NK has tons of artillery pointed at Seoul, they kidnap citizens, build crazy tunnels under Seoul, have said "WE WILL BOMB THE FUCK OUT OF SEOUL IN ORDER TO UNITE WITH OUR BROTHERS", and still many south koreans think NK is just a bunch of misunderstood dudes. \_ FUNK SEOUL BROTHERS \- FUCK SEOUL BROTHERS \_ Check it out now \_ Just naivete. SK history teaches that Korea is 1 country and that it's generally "Korea vs the world." In otherwords, nationalism and xenophobia. Many just can't believe that their brothers could be more dangerous than the forieners. I think it's similar to asking Europeans "which country is the biggest threat to World Peace?" \_ Go dubya! I'm sure he knows exactly what he's doing! |
2007/1/16-24 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea] UID:45550 Activity:nil |
1/15 hmm... US GI stationed in Korea raped a 67 yr old woman... http://csua.org/u/hw4 I guess it's less disturbing than the rape of 14 years old Japanese school girl a couple years ago. \_ 67 yr old? Yucks. |
2006/10/20-23 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea] UID:44887 Activity:nil |
10/20 Why do government officials waste time to travel to and back from foreign countries to meet with their counterparts where there is something to discuss? E.g. Rice to Beijing, Tang Jiaxuan to Pyongyang. Why don't they just install some advanced video conference equipment? That would save a lot of time, and I think time is an essence during a political crisis. \_ Photo ops--but having worked with remote groups, I can say from experience that face-to-face is much different from (and better than) teleconferencing. experience that face-to-face is much different from (and better than) teleconferencing. \_ Also, it signals how seriously someone is about something. \_ more than that. A lot of it is negotiation. in a negotiation, body languages and other non-verbal ques are very very important. \_ much of the time, the real work is carried out by diplomatic staff in the foreign country under specific guidelines from the home country. thus, the deal is made BEFORE the big wigs come for the photo-op. so yes, the head honchos travel ... for the photo-op, and the photo-op's definite geopolitical effects. they don't come if there is no deal, thus saving time. |
2006/10/20-24 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/China, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea] UID:44879 Activity:nil |
10/20 http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/world/2006-10/20/content_713426.htm 'Kim told the Chinese delegation that "he is sorry about the nuclear test," the newspaper reported.' Why do I get the impression that this is a load of bollocks? \_ "I'm sorry you're pissed off" \_ Why would you trust what he says? \_ I wouldn't. I also highly doubt that he said that. It reeks of PRC propaganda. You know, the highly scripted attempts at impromptu speech that totalitarian media hacks are so very, very bad at. \_ it's more interesting to think that China can say "Kim Jong Il eats shit and enjoys it", and NK won't do much \_ because Kim knows that China is about to throw a big party and not in the mood to do anything spoiling the mood (such as having 3-4 million N.Korean flood across YaLue river and later claim that part of China NorthEast part of Korea Proper). Don't worry though, China is not going to take this kind of crap from its protectorate. China will deal with N.Korea when it is time. |
2006/10/19-24 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea] UID:44869 Activity:low |
10/19 http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=2585531 N Korean general in charge of demilitarized zone tells Diane Sawyer that nukes are for self-defense only, and that N Korea does not have a relationship with terrorist groups. \_ so what? \_ exactly. japan also announced it won't be building nukes, and china says it will just be conducting more vigorous inspections of border traffic than usual. \_ Why would you take anything a N.K. official says at face value, esp. when told to the U.S. media? \_ because available data suggest that this face-to-face meeting may be providing the relatively accurate current posture. it's beyond obvious NOT to trust a NK PR statement by itself. \_ uhm, what data? i thought nk was incredibly closed and we know nothing about what is going on? \_ data == china and U.S. strategy \_ in a strict sense, having a nuke IS for self-defence. N.Korea is under constant threat from USA. Given USA's policy of regime change and all, N.Korea knew it is on top of the list. I don't like N.Korean regime anymore than you do, but I can certainlly understand where they are coming from. In a way, there are times I wish USA would do more, including - come up with a post-war plan for the first time - give assurnace to China that all refugees can be transfered to USA - etc, etc. only under such conditions, China might turn off the tap. \_ Why would we accept 20 million N Korean refugees? \_ if you want to be tough against N.Korea, you need to accept that as part of the cost. Right now, Both Americans and Japanese are being a chicken hawk who want to see the collapse of the regime, but don't want to deal with the consequences. I think we all know what is like to topple a regime without any nation-building effort by now no? \_ It depends on how the current government falls. If there is a coup then the old guard is executed or (rarely) exiled and life goes on with maybe a few policy changes and a foreign diplomacy "reset". \_ Isn't the natural place for a North Korean refugee to go if NK disintegrates South Korea? I don't know that much about Korean politics, but I've never met a Korean who didn't want a unified peninsula. \_ they all say that but non of them really want to pay the price of absorbing N.Koreans right now. \_ Unlike the refugees after the Vietnam war, there is no British Hong Kong to actually absorb most of them this time when the US claims that it'll accept them. |
2006/10/18-24 [Recreation/Dating, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea] UID:44861 Activity:nil |
10/18 http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200610/200610120018.html Sex Dolls, etc |
2006/10/12-14 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea] UID:44784 Activity:nil |
10/12 http://www.csua.org/u/h67 (Yahoo! News on 10/10): 'China's U.N. Ambassador, Wang Guangya, told reporters: "I think that there has to be some punitive actions.' http://www.csua.org/u/h68 (Yahoo! News on 10/12): 'Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Liu Jianchao said North Korea should understand it had made a mistake but "punishment should not be the purpose" of any U.N. response.' \_ There is a fundamental differences between Japan/US and China/S.Korea. Both Japan and US want the N.Korean regime collaps, China and S.Korea doesn't simply because they don't want to deal with the refugees. Besides, China got a big party coming up (Olympics) they don't want N.Koreans to ruin the party. American policies toward N.Korea is actually not much different from Iraq: regime change without any plan for post-war planning and nation building. Everyone talk about punish N.Korea, but China's concern is that if we tighten the screw just a little bit more, the regime might collaps and millions of refugees would flood across the Yalu river. China's consideration is more practical, yet Neocons and China-haters on motd kept painting this as some sort of ideoogical fight. Unless you are prepared to occupies collapsed N.Korea (when I say you, I mean S.Koreans and Americans) and feed the people and help S.Koreans to absorb the rest of N.Koreas, keeping the regime as it is is probably the best thing we can do right now. and for those who don't have any sense of history: It is not a good idea for China to occupy N.Koreas. Koreans will deeply resent that, take my word for it. \_ This is like saying the Soviets should have been kept in power because no one wanted to deal with the Eastern bloc refugees. \_ Wow. I was just pointing out the fact that official statements from the same government two days apart contradict to each other. If you think this is the way to get practical, okay. \_ Wow. How could I have staged an ideological fight when the other party claims that North Korea should AND should not be punished? Whichever side I'm on, the other party agrees with me! I was just pointing out the fact that official statements from the same government two days apart contradict to each other. If you think this is the way to get practical on issues, okay. --- OP |
2006/10/11-13 [Science/GlobalWarming, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea] UID:44776 Activity:nil |
10/11 http://csua.org/u/h5x (iht.com) Russian defense minister reaffirms 5 to 15 kiloton estimate: "Our estimates have remained absolutely unchanged ... The discrepancy in the estimates can be explained by two reasons. The first is purely political ... somebody wants it to be more powerful, somebody less ... The second aspect is purely technical. Whose national technical devices do you think are closest to the site of the explosion? That is the answer to your question." \_ Unless the Russkies have a monitoring station just over the border, I'd still trust the South Koreans. \_ Why would you trust the Russians under any circumstances? \_ Hmm, the Russian defense minister is saying Russia wants the test to be more powerful. And like he said, it's purely political. Ha ha! This guy beats Dan Quayle. \_ I still think N.Koreans are bluffing. In either case, Bush/Cheney should for the first time draw up a post-conflict plan and thinking about nation building. The funny thing is, S.Koreans, long desires unification of their motherland, is in no mood to absorb N.Koreans right now. China was actively training a set of shadow government officials, but they are not in the mood for N.Koreans to ruin the 2008 Olympics. \_ You think they're faked a mini nuke with a huge pile of conventional explosives or you think they will keep trying to set off nukes? What part do you think the NK are bluffing? |
2006/10/11-13 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea] UID:44771 Activity:nil |
10/11 More spitting and middle-fingering, literally, at the DMZ, the Cold War's last frontier these days: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061011/wl_nm/korea_dmz_dc_1 \_ Happens all the time. \_ Do you mean spitting and middle-fingering happen all the time, or the increase of spitting and middle-fingering happens all the time? \_ I mean there are 'events' in the DMZ all the time. Spitting and middle fingering is at the low end. There have been killings. |
2006/10/11-13 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea] UID:44764 Activity:nil |
10/11 http://www.csua.org/u/h5n Former senator Sam Nunn (D-Ga.) faulted the administration for focusing\ on Iraq first, when greater threats loomed in North Korea and Iran. "We started with Iraq in the 'axis of evil' side, when we thought they did not yet have nuclear weapons, and that sent the signal to others that they better get them quick," he said. "I think we started on the wrong end of that." \_ Re: last quote: O RLY? \_ Anyone have a Sam Nunn quote from before the war telling us this? |
2006/10/9-10 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea] UID:44736 Activity:kinda low |
10/9 BBC radio just now said the NK nuke was estimated to be 1Kt and may have been conventional or a failed nuke. \_ Russia is saying the blast is between 5 and 15 kilotons, and it has a border with N Korea and helped them build the plant used to produce plutonium. \_ Since when did Russia share a border with North Korea? I thought China was to the north of North Korea, and South Korea was to the south of North Korea. The rest of North Korea is surrounded by \_ Um, moron, look at a world map or atlas. Russia does not share a border with North Korea. China shares a border with the north side of North Korea. South Korea shares a border on the southern side of North Korea. The rest of North Korea is surrounded by water. \_ NK shares a small part of its far NE border with Russia. \_ Uh, SK has a border with NK too. So? And what's it matter who built the plant that produced the plutonium unless they were involved in building the bomb or testing it? I don't get what you're trying to say. \_ Russian nuclear expertise, duh \_ "duh"? You have no in way explained how the Russian claim of 5-15Kt is more reliable than the other reports of 1Kt. "Russian nuclear expertise" left hanging by itself is no answer to anything. They let you into college? \_ use your brain, don't make ppl spoonfeed it to you \_ So you've got nothing. Thanks for not participating. I believe this is where I say "duh" in response and the whole thing disolves into purely personal attack. \_ Korea has nukes? Great. Now we wait for the red dot on the ground. "Nuclear launch detected" \_ There's never an Observer around when you need one. \_ And China's trying to blind our comsats! \_ Don't worry, Bush, our benevolent Overlord has Vision[tm]! |
2006/10/9-10 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea, Politics/Foreign/Asia/China] UID:44730 Activity:high |
10/8 So was the October Surprise a N. Korean underground nuke test? http://earthquake.usgs.gov/eqcenter/recenteqsww/Quakes/ustqab.php http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,218699,00.html \_ Hey, seriously, I am a liberal and oppose our invasion of Iraq. But in this case, i really think we need to think about use military force against the N.Koreans. It will be a while before they actually weaponize the nukes. Allowing them to have nukes is dangerous just because they don't mind selling it to the highest bidder! Further, we need to remove any excuse for Japan get its nukes. \_ If we use military action against North Korea, it'll be the Korean War from 1950 - 1953 all over again, with the strong possibility of China backing North Korea (as they did before from 1950 - 1953). That would be World War III. But yeah, other than those pesky details, your idea makes sense. \_ Part of any pre-invasion plan will be an understanding between the U.S. and China about N. Korean reconstruction. \_ Uhm, no. History does repeat itself but the cliche doesn't mean it like that. It's a comment on human nature not history itself per se. Anyway, the Korean war was part of the whole anti-communist containment/rollback strategy at the time. No one would consider any such action without China's advanced consent this time. Totally different situation. But if the consent this time. Totally different situation. But if China were willing to allow an invasion they're much more likely first to simply cut off NK from food and oil if having a nuke-fre NK is their goal. They could do so at anytime and the fact that they haven't makes me believe they want NK to have nukes. \_ I don't think China wants NK to have nukes. To China, there is always the risk of the North uniting with the South. When it eventually happens, Korea most likely won't be as "left" or as communist as it is today. I don't think China likes to see a non-alley neighbor having nukes. This downside is not worth the upside of a close alley having nukes. The upside is not much anyway, given that China itself already has nukes. \_ NK is like the mad dog on the end of China's leash but it is still China's dog. They have nukes because China let them have nukes. With out Chinese oil and food aid the place would completely collapse. The Chinese are more concerned about millions of hungry NK heading to their border than they are about NK nukes. \_ "Mr. President, this is not the hour of our weakness. This is the hour of our strength. If the Chinese cross the Yalu, I will make of them the greatest slaughter in the history of warfare. They have no means for giving ground ... air support to the ground troops. And they cannot do it and I do not believe they will." If only Truman had been smart enough to listen to MacArthur, the NK issue would not exist today. \_ In a way, you're absolutely right. If Truman had listened to MacArthur, human civilization would not exist today. By extension, neither would the NK issue. \_ human civilization wouldn't exist? Oh please.... \_ Truman would have provoked nuclear war. \_ Let's assume this is true. The US had how many bombs? Dozens? A few hundred tops? China and Russia had how many between them? And what ability to deliver them outside their own borders? What is much more likely is China either retreats or they nuke back. If they retreat it's over. If they nuke back, then Korea becomes a waste land, a lot of people die, we may have nuked China back directly in which case even more people die, then China is forced to capitulate after their country is a wasteland. So, worst case, China and Korea are gone, best case, Korea/China border is nuked out. Either way, "The Whole World Is Dead! OMG! WTF! BBQ!" is not a serious proposition. Of course this all sucks big time if you're Korean or Chinese but that is not the same as "the end of civilization". \_ Heh. You remind me a lot of George C. Scott's character in Dr. Strangelove. "Mr. President, I'm not saying we wouldn't get our hair mussed! I'm saying two or three million dead TOPS....err, depending on the breaks!" \_ Whatever. The point remains. The world would not have ended. The nukes were much smaller, harder to deliver and fewer in number. I'm not saying I'm in favor of having nuked China at the time. I'm saying the sky wouldn't have turned to blood or rain frogs or everyone's first born male child died in the night. \_ Seconded. Bomb the crap out of them. --other lefty \_ You're kidding, yes? This is the perfect time for sanctions and other non-military arm twisting and you want to bomb? Iraq was due for an invasion after years of failed sanctions and many on the left wanted to simply end sanctions and walk away because sanctions weren't hurting the right people.... I find the whole thing fascinating. \_ Who are you who are so wise in the ways of geopolitics? \_ Sanctioning NK won't hurt the right people either. You think Kim Jong-Il will starve before all the civilians do? \_ The people are already starving. Once the army is starving things may change. \_ if China impose a sanction, N.Korea probably will implode. This is of course something YOU want, but it is not something China nor South Korean wants. Why? just think in terms of illegal immigration issue... except that million of them going to try to get across the broder in the period of weeks. Unless you are ready to allow Chinese mow down those N.Korean refugees with machine gun fire, and you have a plan for post-implode N.Korea, I recommend you STFU. \_ Yes, Karl Rove planted nuke tech in NK going back to the early 90s having forseen the need almost 15 years in advance for an October Surprise in the 2006 mid term elections. The man is the Devil! \_ Just curious, the test was 10:36am local time (N and S Korea). About when did news of the test go out on the wire actually? \_ About an hour afterwards, based on Google News timestamps. \_ world leaders will agree that n korea escalated unnecessarily. Dubya and GOPers will talk tough and the intl media for once will agree with this posture. \_ Why would the international media matter? Anyway this isn't the time to talk military strike. It is the time to squeeze them dry of food, oil, and cash. |
2006/10/8-10 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea] UID:44726 Activity:kinda low |
10/8 Basically, really fucking glad I am not in Korea!: http://aslwww.cr.usgs.gov/Seismic_Data/telemetry_data/INCN_24hr.html http://earthquake.usgs.gov/eqcenter/recenteqsww/Quakes/ustqab.php \_ I actually am in Korea. No third eye yet. -jrleek \_ Why are you in Korea? I'm assuming Seoul. Seoul is not North Korea, so of course you wouldn't feel any negative effects from the earthquake/nuclear test. \_ Depends on which way the wind blows. \_ Go look on a map, Seoul is next door to North Korea \_ That tends to happen when you marry a Korean. |
2006/10/8-10 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea, Recreation/Computer/Games] UID:44724 Activity:nil |
10/8 Basically, you all wish you were South Korean: http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/08/arts/08schi.html?_r=1&oref=slogin "Frantic, piercing, the shrieks echoed down the corridors from one corner of the vast underground complex. There hundreds of young people, mostly women and girls, waved signs and sang slogans as they swirled in the glare of klieg lights. It was the kind of fan frenzy that anywhere else would be reserved for rockers or movie legends... In fact the objects of the throng's adoration were a dozen of the nation's most famous athletes... These were professional video gamers, idolized for their mastery of the science-fiction strategy game StarCraft." \_ In Korea, there are several television channels devoted solely to televising matches between video gamers on games like StarCraft. I guess that sure beats having several television channels devoted to home shopping of crappy, useless household items, as we do here in America. |
2006/9/28-29 [Politics/Foreign/Europe, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea] UID:44597 Activity:kinda low |
9/28 Quiet, easily controlled Asian man favored for UN Secretary General, to replace previous uppity black leader http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/09/28/D8KE4M2O1.html \_ If you think a South Korean politician is "easily controlled," you don't know much about politics. \_ i'm just saying the stereotype may be why he's favored \_ I doubt it. I think it more reflects the rise of South Korea in terms of political and economic influence over the past few decades. The negative stereotype you are referring to is really only prevalent in America and Western Europe, and they make up only a minority of the United Nations. \_ Yeah, but it's 60% of the permanent setas in the Security Council. |
2006/9/18-20 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea] UID:44416 Activity:nil |
9/18 Korean elephant learns to talk: http://tinyurl.com/eh56t (reuters.com) |
2006/7/31-8/2 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea] UID:43843 Activity:nil |
7/31 http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060729/ap_on_re_as/nkorea_mass_games 'Then-U.S. Secretary of State Madeleine Albright visited a mass game in Pyongyang in 2000, where a mosaic displayed an animated missile flying into the sky. "This will be our last missile," Kim Jong Il reportedly told Albright. The North this month test-fired seven missiles ...... in violation of a self-imposed moratorium on long-range launches.' \_ Albright? Of course she was lied to and ate it up. Any 6 year old could sell her a bridge. \_ Right... It was Albright's fault... It couldn't be that the current admin cut off the ongoing diplomacy we had with N.K., then called them a point on the dreaded Axis of Evil. Nope. Couldn't be. \_ I didn't say anything was her fault. I said Albright is a clown. Go read the transcript for her confirmation hearings. She's scary and incompetent. \_ The world was such a paradise before GWB took office. I saw it in Fahrenheit 911. Kids were flying kites and eating ice cream cones in Iraq. \_ So you deny things regarding N.K. are more fucked up now than 6 years ago? And since you want to make a detour through Iraq... How's that freedom marching these days? \_ I denied nothing. I just responded to one smarmy, assinine response with another... How'd that 2004 election go? \_ Actually, the part about flying kites and eating ice cream cones was accurate. \_ And playing in rivers of chocolate. Don't forget that. I'm sure Suni kids from Saddam's tribe were doing quite well. If you were a Kurd or a southern Shiite you were lucky to get clean water or electricity. \_ Madeleine was a hot dame in her youth. -proud American |
2006/7/5-6 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea] UID:43563 Activity:kinda low |
7/5 http://tinyurl.com/qv9v8 (yahoo) so, when are we going to invade North Korea? Afterall, we did invade Iraq and ready to bomb Iran. \_ obNoOil \_ One could say "obNoOil" but that'd be intellectually dishonest. More likely is that the President's and his staff understand that each country should be treated according to circumstances, one might say he's taking a nuanced approach to world affairs, rather than the one size fits all approach you're suggesting. And btw, no one said we're ready to bomb Iran. *IF* there is anything to bomb it is spread all over the place. This isn't the Iraqi reactor the Israelis blew up. Nuance. Fun, huh? \_ Read "Cobra II." We invaded Iraq because we thought it would be easy and set an example. Invading North Korea is Hard (tm), or was at least perceived to be in 2002. It is thought that NK could do a huge amount of damage to Seoul via artillery and other means before we could successfully invade. Iraq was invaded because it was the most "vulnerable" of the "Axis of Evil." --!op \_ I don't dispute any of that. I agree with you that it is more complex than the mindless "no blood for big oil" crowd would have us believe. Quite the contrary, I think 10k+ artillery pieces could make a good mush of Seoul, etc and Iraq was an easier target, etc. \_ there is an earlier thread about we are being a pacifist... \_ My obNoOil was a joke. Obviously the real reason is only that NK essentially is holding hostages (SK). Plus there's China to deal with. Nuanced approach? Rubbish. \- In return for giving up nukes, I recommend borrowing from the historical playbook by offering North Kolea CHENEY as a deterrance hostage. link:csua.org/u/gbx \_ The PSB is wise; heed the PSB. |
2006/6/22-28 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea] UID:43473 Activity:nil |
6/22 Nice pics from a North Korean vacation. http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=82755 |
2006/6/13-15 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea] UID:43370 Activity:nil |
6/12 Dae Han Min Gook! \_ Korean soap operas convinced me that Korean women are the hottest in the world. They don't age and they're georgeous. \_ Seconded. I'd be honored if one of the Korean girls would help me pass on my genes with her, like jrleek. \_ The same soaps have convinced me that Korea is even more chauvanistic than Japan. Wtf? Is this some Confucian holdover I'm just not able to get as a Westerner? \_ Maybe soap operas aren't the best way to learn about another culture, eh? \_ Dunno about Japan, but Korea is very chauvanistic. Even if it doesn't look that way on the surface, it is there underneath. It is also a country where pride rules all, where every small business owner insists on being called President Kim and whatnot. \_ Which soap operas did you watch? My impression from watching many Korean drama has been quite the positive. They seem to have strike a good balance between absorbing western culture and retain their own traditional values. I have more respect for the Koreans now. I consider them a good example of what an Asian country would look like under good democracy. It is precisely because they retained their traditional values that they are able to come out with such hot selling soap operas, unlike Taiwan and HK which puts out craps. HK is getting better, but I have not seen a good Taiwan soap opera lately. The last one I watched was Millennium Mamboo which is just a piece of shit. All in all I like Korean dramas, and I plan to visit it once day. |
2006/4/2 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea, Computer/Theory] UID:42614 Activity:nil 80%like:42612 |
4/2 http://www.engadget.com/2006/04/02/south-korea-wants-100-robot-market-penetration-by-2020 South Korea Wants 100% Robot Penetration by 2020 |
2006/4/2-4 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea, Computer/Theory] UID:42612 Activity:nil 80%like:42614 |
4/2 http://tinyurl.com/juoet (engadget.com) South Korea Wants 100% Robot Penetration by 2020 \_ yermom prefers the human touch. |
2006/2/16-3/3 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea] UID:41892 Activity:high |
2/16 Looking for the name of a famous Korean soap opera where this girl wants to be the #1 Chef and then later on the #1 Nurse. The music sounds like "Hu na la hu na la" something something. Thanks. \_ You're one year late, man. It was on Ch26 9pm M-F this time last year, in both Korean and Mandarin (SAP) with Chinese subtitles. http://www.imbc.com/broad/tv/drama/daejanggum The tune is in G-maj: A B B B -A G | E G G G - - | A B B B -A B | D B B B - - | D E E E -D B | B D E D - - | A B B B -A G | E G G G - - | \_ This soap opera further reinforces my preconception that Korean women are the HOTTEST women in the entire East Asian race. Young Korean women are cute. Middle age Korean women are georgeous. Old Korean women are classy. Korean women #1. |
2006/2/9-11 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea] UID:41777 Activity:nil |
2/9 http://money.cnn.com/2006/02/07/news/international/tallest_building Tallest building in Korea \_ I'll bet it's an easy target for North Korean artillery \_ South Korea's small and close by. Everywhere is an easy target. |
2006/1/20-21 [Recreation/Food, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea] UID:41453 Activity:nil |
1/19 Food fight... Korean Style http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200501/200501210041.html \_ They don't look like they're having much fun. (Although the audiance seems happy enough.) \_ Not as hot as the cute jgirl commercial link posted earlier. |
2005/11/7-8 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/China, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea] UID:40471 Activity:nil |
11/7 The Three Kingdoms comic. Stupid in-jokes about the Romance of the Three Kingdoms. In English, Japanese, Chinese, Korean, and, what is that, Cambodian? http://www.shiji.cc/san/index.php?mode=main \_Close to Khmer...it's Thai. -scottyg |
2005/10/21-22 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea] UID:40208 Activity:kinda low |
10/20 Dang, Korean support is still broken in Ubuntu. The only good experience I've had with Korean and Linux was on Fedora Core 2, which was pretty much a bad experience in every OTHER way. -jrleek \_ not enough Korean vulenteer for open-source effort? \_ I really don't know. I'm not in contact with any CSUA- style Korean super-nerds. I knew someone who went to an ITT tech style school, and she did stuff with Linux, but I'm not sure what version. -jrleek \_ I installed nabi in Ubuntu and everything worked fairly well for me 'cept for finding a sleek looking terminal that supports UTF (I use pekwm as window manager, so konsole didn't work too well.) I believe there are at least two wiki pages on the ubuntu wiki site that describes Korean support in ubuntu. \_ Really? I didn't have much luck with it last night. I did get it working with xterm, but it didn't seem to work for Firefox. I'll look for those wiki pages, thanks. (Most of the nabi docs I found were in Korean) -jrleek \_ But you can read Korean, though, can't you? If I remember correctly, the nabi website had a Korean version and English version. I think the Korean version had more details. I'm a total n00b to localization stuff and decided to try out nabi after one of your motd posts made me want to try out Korean localization. Since I was a n00b and had no idea, I went back and forth between the Korean and English pages. \_ Yes, I can, but it's hard and I'm lazy. Reading Linux docs is often pretty hard anyway, adding the language barrier doesn't help. Thanks though. NEVERMIND, I finally got home and tried what it said on the wiki, and it works great! Thanks a lot mystery man! -jrleek \_ you do know that Hangu Jamo is actually more challenging than the Chinese Han Characters in terms of render it on the screen? \_ Of course it is. What's your point? |
2005/9/19-21 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/China, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea] UID:39759 Activity:moderate |
9/19 Oh look, North Korea is saying they won't be disarming until they get a light water reactor http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1487719/posts \_ obviously the got the idea from the motd... \_ The U.S. better get moving with a robust NPT prohibiting uranium enrichment, plutonium creation, and a catch-all clause prohibiting technology which can lead very quickly to a bomb. The excuse I read 6-12 months ago with not doing a real NPT was "it would take too long". The U.S. has the answer, but just needs to follow through. \_ Yes, clearly the problem with Iran and North Korea is that the language in the non-proliferation treaty isn't complete enough. \_ dude, this latest agreement is not about N.Korea and its nukes, it's about dubya get some headline with a positive spin. \_ Interestingly this is the FIRST freerep. link that I have found useful. I agree with many of the comments that basically state "the north koreans will just use material in the reactors to build more weapons and get another concession from the US." -mrauser \_ You need thousands of centrifuges to weaponize the enriched uranium fuel used for light water reactors into a single bomb. And, the enriched uranium would be fed to North Korea peacemeal, given more as it used up more in the reactor. On the other hand, North Korea already has enough plutonium for eight bombs: As many as two bombs while they were playing with their graphite reactors in three separate incidents '89-'91, and six more since inspectors were kicked out in '02-now since six bombs: As many as two bombs while they were playing with their graphite reactor in three separate incidents in '89-'91, their graphite reactors in three separate incidents '89-'91, and four more since inspectors were kicked out in '02-now since Dubya didn't want to finish building the light water reactors Bubba promised back in '94 that would be done by '03 -- because Kim Jong-il had confessed to a secret nuke program earlier in '02 (violating NPT) and Dubya didn't know what else to do. \_ And this way they get FREE REACTOR. Do you believe that the moment they unpack their shiny new peaceful toy, they're going to spontaneously erupt into bursts of nuclear-abhorring song and dance? (No, I can't see the Chinese doing anything but pressuring the US into giving the reactor _before_ NK does anything in return.) Bombs or not, they're a bunch of evil little pests. -John \_ You need thousands of centrifuges to enrich enough uranium from light water reactors for a single bomb. That's why people say that even if Iran kicked out all the inspectors and went full-bore for bombs, it would take them 5-10 years for a bomb. Bubba promised back in '94 that would be done by '03. \_ The fun part is they don't need nukes to serious screw with the world. A couple of hundred artillery shells would put a serious damper to South Korea's economy, which affects the US economy, and force the US to engage in a third war front. It's goes downhill from there. In truth the nukes or threat of nukes is what is keeping NK an independant state. \_ Personally, I think, without nukes, NK is a paper tiger. Unlike Iraq, where are continued unrest, resistance and bloodshed, for NK, once the Kim regime is removed from power, the NK people will happily welcome the SKoreans. The initial attack could be destructive due to the destruction could be destructive due to the proximity of Seoul, but I wouldn't overestimate \_ yup, who cares about civilian casualties when they are not white. the NK conventional forces. The conventional war would probably last a little longer than Iraq but not much. But yes, US will be really stretched, but it won't be for very long. The PLA would gether along the border in case of unrest, etc., but it won't cross the Yalu. China stretched, but it won't be for very long. China would want to play a role in terms of establishing influence, but really, there isn't too much that it can do, without appearing very bad since it can do, without appearing rather very bad since the NK regime is morally, and literally, bankrupt, and because China would want to maintain good relations with S. Korea. Unfortunately, with nukes, things become very scary. Mr. Kim knows the above, that's why he will always keep his nukes, unless and until he can transform NK, and be viewed as some sort of authoritarian modernizer in the mold of Deng, Putin, Chiang Chingguo, Lee Kuan Yew, etc., but I doubt he has what it takes, and because unlike the other countries, there is a dynamic, succesful, equal-sized South Korea whose existence make a mockery of the legitimacy of his regime. Still, with nukes, the prudent thing for the surrounding countries to do, is to find a way out for Kim somehow. China will probably offer him a villa somewhere in China if his regime falls, but it would still be a hot potato for China if a united Korea demands his arse back. \_ They've been selling rockets like hot cakes, I thought. I would imagine that Pakistan proved pretty conclusively that states which want to be evil little shitbags will be so, regardless of "rational". I don't understand why the US doesn't just walk away from the table and let Japan, the Chinese and S. Korea handle it--they seem to think themselves well capable of it. -John \_ NK will only negotiate with the US for some crazy reason. \_ The thing is, China, S. Korea and Japan doesn't care as much as the US as to whether Pakistan has rockets or not. \_ Exactly, and that's part of the problem- China wants to play regional superpower, and uses N. Korea as a check to US power. S. Korea/Japan need US protection on a strategic level, but not on an immediate level, so they don't realize the importance of a balance to the Chinese, and India seems like they find the US pathetic. The logical conclusion seems either to leave them to sort their shit out, or to let themselves blow each other to kingdom come. If the US can resolve (ha ha) the tiny issue of energy dependency on the middle east and central asia, pulling out would be the best option. -John a united Korea demands his arse back. \_ genau und der ist ein Teil des Problems China regionalen Superpower spielen möchte und benutzt N. Korea da eine Überprüfung zur US Energie. S. Korea/Japan Notwendigkeit US Schutz auf einem strategischen Niveau, aber nicht auf einem sofortigen Niveau, also sie verwirklichen den Wert einer Balance nicht zum Chinesen, und Indien scheint, wie sie die US pathetisch finden. Die logische Zusammenfassung scheint entweder, sie zu lassen, um ihre Scheiße heraus zu sortieren, oder lassen Sie sich zum Königreich sich durchbrennen kommen. Wenn die US (ja ja) die kleine Ausgabe der Energieabhängigkeit auf dem Mittler-Osten und dem zentralen Asien beheben können, würde das Ausziehen die beste Wahl sein. Heil Hitler! - John \- demurring on the paper tiger question, they can still sell stuff to non-paper tigers. and they dont have to sell fully functioning nuclear icbms to be a problem. say the regime falls aparts and somewhere you find a receipt for delivery of a couple of kg of highly radioactive material to Mr. Albert Queda (i dunno if they have made ricin or other low tech chem/bio agents) what happens then? this would not be the rational behavior of a state, but the side effect of anarchy. \_ Come to think of it, yes, things could be a little thorny especially since it's not just Kim, but an entire NK generals, officials ruling class. As much as it's a pain to see justice compromised, it's always a good idea to assure them their safety, and a role to play in a united korea. Not doing that for the Baath Party members and Iraqi Army officers is one of the biggest mistakes US made. the Baath Party / Iraqi Army officals is one of the biggest mistakes US made, in my opinion. Still to the people of NK, South Koreans are their brothers, unlike the relationship between Iraqis and Pax Americana, so there won't be much resistance once the regime falls. out for Kim somehow. between Iraqis and Pax Americana. \_ You know that the capital of S.Korea is within the artillery range of N.Korean, right? can you imagine what would happened to S.Korean's economy if they suffered just a hour of bombardment? (~60% S.Korean population lives in Seoul) Do you care if hundreds of thousands of refugee across the Yalu river to Chinese border? Do you really think S.Korea has the will and economy to absorb N.Korea? Chances are, you don't care. Since the Korean War, US only wanted one thing: the collapse of N.Korea regime. Mean while the Chinese/S.Koreans, being at N.Koreans, has a lot of pratical things they need to worry about. This is why S.Korean's stance is more aligned with the Chinese. US need to think about WHY S.Koreans, being an ally with USA for past 5 decades, is deviating from USA in terms of N.Korea policy. *FURTHER* I was hoping Iraq would taught USA a lesson of post-war planning... \_ You know that the capital of S.Korea is within the artillery range of N.Korean, right? can you imagine what would happened to S.Korean's economy if they suffered just a hour of bombardment? (~60% S.Korean population lives in Seoul) Do you care if hundreds of thousands of refugee across the Yalu river to Chinese border? Do you really think S.Korea has the will and economy to absorb N.Korea? Chances are, you don't care. Since the Korean War, US only wanted one thing: the collapse of N.Korea regime. Mean while the Chinese/S.Koreans, being at N.Koreans, has a lot of pratical things they need to worry about. This is why S.Korean's stance is more aligned with the Chinese. US need to think about WHY S.Koreans, being an ally with USA for past 5 decades, is deviating from USA in terms of N.Korea policy. *FURTHER* I was hoping Iraq would taught USA a lesson of post-war planning... \_ That was sort of my point above--the Chinese have a stake in what happens, while the US is obviously just playing neo-imperialist games. Maybe China should be left to figure out how to deal with N. Korea. Regarding refugees, they generally tend to stream away from the direction the artillery's coming from... -John |
2005/8/27-29 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea] UID:39304 Activity:nil |
8/27 Korea looking to sell some fighters jets for $100 each: http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/200508/kt2005081519485168040.htm \_ That's awesome. Only if I have a place store it... \_ Shipping not included |
2005/8/21-22 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea] UID:39205 Activity:kinda low |
8/20 Does anyone have a clue where I can find info on statistics/numbers and demographics of big Korean/Asian MMORPGs like Lineage, etc.? This is for a colleague's research project. -John \_ I'll ask my sister when I get the chance -- she did her dissertation on this general topic, so she might be able to give some info. -mice \_ ah yes, "research" *wink* \_ Actually it's a marketing thing for stuff that might actually be *useful* for people playing 24/7 in internet cafes (my suggestion) but said colleague didn't have the slightest clue on where to start. I mainly play Forgotten Hope, as my knowledge of Korean is somewhat limited. Thanks mice! -John |
2005/8/15-17 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea] UID:39131 Activity:low |
8/15 Japanese^H^H^H^H^H^H^HFrench people are weird. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050815/ap_on_fe_st/france_pig_squealers \-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kancho \_ Yucks. \_ This is pretty common in Korea, it's called ddong-chim there, which translates to "poop-needle." (Amusingly, in Korea, Kancho is a tasty chocolate ball candy.) -jrleek \_ What's worse, is that you see 5 year olds doing it to adults out of nowhere. |
2005/7/25-27 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/China, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea] UID:38813 Activity:kinda low |
7/25 http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050725/od_nm/china_suicide_dc China suicide rate climbing. This is going to solve their high men/women ratio, a cause for major frustration. \_ Man, that must be depressing for the parents. They can only have one kid, so they go to a lot of trouble to produce a boy to carry on the family line. Then he kills himself. Oops. \_ Well if you're a gay Chinaman it's a really good thing. \_ Maybe if you're a necropiliac gay Chinaman... \_ No, I mean this trend is good because straight men kill themselves out of frustration, so most of the men left are either straight&married, or gay, which makes them easier to find. \_ It's funny how you use "gay" so you don't offend homosexuals, and yet you don't care about offending us "Chinamen". Thanks. \_ iirc, the new policy is that if both you and your wife are the only child of your family, you can have 2 kids. \_ There are a lot of innovative solutions China should embrace to prevent this societal epidemic caused by sexual frustrations. 1) Implement rent-a-girlfriend service. If your parents visit you and nag about it you can rent a girlfriend to shut them up. 2) Allow more brothels. A man can't jackoff all his life, he has to release his sexual urges somehow or else he'll go crazy and kill himself, and in some cases (like the Iraqi loners) kill others with them. 3) Allow more economic incentives for having girls. 4) Discourage marriage between pretty native Chinese women and extremely wealthy, old, and ugly Hong Kong and Taiwanese lords who already have 3rd and 4th wives. This has been going on for a while and is really really causing a lot of resentments and pissing off a lot of natives whos lives are changed drastically [for the worse] by these foreigners. \_ yea, but they can just go to vietnam, like what many taiwanese are doing. \_ So are Koreans. There were tons of billboards saying "Marry Vietnamese! We'll set you up!" Word on the street was that Vietnamese ladies work harder. -jrleek Addendum: Oddly, I watched a sort of Korean Hard Copy with my wife tonight, and it had a segment on Koreans mail ordering Vietnamese brides. It was mostly about a 37-year old lower-middle class Korean batchelor who scored himself a pretty good-looking 22 year old Vietnamese bride. Still, she didn't really speak much Korean, and nobody in the family liked Vietnamese food. \_ Let me get this right, YOU [white American] understand Korean? How? Why? \_ maybe cuz he...married a korean? \_ Is he sky? \_ I spent 2 years in Korea as a missionary, which is some pretty intense language training. Then I married a Korean, we speak a lot of Korean around the house. \_ So dorky white guy takes Korean women, forcing Korean man to take Vietnamese women... \_ #1 already exists. Someone posted a link about this on the MOTD a year or so ago. #3 is quite doable in China. \_ #2 is pretty much a free market (or free-for-all market) already. there are an estimated 5 million prostitutes in the PRC. \_ #3 is easy. just learn from singapore. prc already followed singapore's model on its new yuan exchange rate policy - pegging to a basket of foreign currencies based on trade with those countries. \_ Maybe china could provide a economic incentive for sex change operations. That way chinese guys wouldn't have kill themselves and they could make some white guy w/ yellow fever happy. \_ If thats the goal, sex change isn't necessary. Lots of gay white guys have yellow fever as well. \_ So you might need a sexual orientation change operation instead. \_ sigh ... why you worry so much? just go import some women from russia lah. or just offer your own pasty arse, maybe there will be some takers. |
2005/6/30-7/1 [Reference/BayArea, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea] UID:38371 Activity:high |
6/30 My wife is a naturalized US citizen who came here from Korea so young that she doesn't know the language. Something I hear from her frequently though is her conviction that white people (other than an enlightened few) think way deep down that only they belong here and they think they are being good for "tolerating" her being in the US. This usually comes up after some random homeless person or deadbeat (usually on or waiting for buses) singles her out for slander out of a crowd of non-Asians. So, with the power of the quasi-anonymous motd behind you, let's hear it white boys. In your heart of hearts, are you just tolerating the brown and yellow people? She says she thinks this is a particular problem in Berkeley because the high Asian fraction makes them more threatening to white people. -- ulysses \_ Asian = White to me, as far as I can tell. But I grew up with an adopted chinese sister. I do have some personal preferences that could be considered cultural prejudices (i.e. I hate loud, confrontational and overbearing people) but really those characteristics are not specific to races, even if there are cultural predispositions toward or away from such behaviors. \_ Ummm... I would expect anything you glean here would be considered from the "enlightened few." Futhermore, before this I mostly heard this about black bums in SF. I don't think race has much to do with the fact that Bums are usually kinda nuts. That said, she's probably right about a lot of people, but that's hardly an unusual sentiment. Ask her how she thinks other races are treated Korea. \_ I suspect she wouldn't really have much of an idea how other races are treated in Korea, since she grew up here and doesn't speak Korean. It's certainly not racist, but there is often the (mis-?)conception among people in the US that people with non-white/black ancestors are more closely connected to the lands of their ancestry. \_ That's why I said he should ask what she thinks. It's a thought problem. I could've said Japan or China, but I thought Korea at least made a little more sense. \_ interesting observations but I think the analysis is all wrong \_ I used to feel like your wife does, but then I left the Bay Area and met some regular white people (republicans even!) and found that mostly they don't care where you (or your parents) are from and what color your skin is. What I did notice is that most "white" people whose ancestors were immigrants (Irish, Scottish, Italian) are a bit more open to Asians (at least Indians) than are other "white" people. were quasi-recent immigrants (Irish, Scottish, Italian, Polish, Russian, &c.) are other "white" people. \_ This sounds a little like what someone said a few days ago on the motd about United Airlines' service. It turns out that United treats everyone like shit, without regard to skin color, and that a lot of people in the Bay area tend to seem like assholes, regardless of your skin color. It also seemed to me that a lot of people of many many different ethnic backgrounds, including white people had a huge chip on their shoulder in the Bay Area. \_ Which white people don't have immigrant ancestors? \_ I was refering to people who immigrated to the US rather than the colonies. \_ My wife is Japanese, and she started living here in the Bay Area from 1999. She notes that white people (here and elsewhere in the States) have a hard time looking her in the eyes. I thought she was imagining it until I started looking for it, and sure enough, most whites will direct 90% of their conversation toward me, even though she's definitely the more attractive of the two of us. Asians, Asian-Americans, and African-Americans seem to pay us equal attention. Weird. --erikred \_ I'm an Asian man and I'll give you my observations and behavioral interpretations. Most of the white men I've met in the Bay Area are much nicer than white men from other places. I suspect it has something to do with their relatively higher education, that they're much more used to seeing yellow faces, or that they think I have a cute sister or cute female Asian friends. Even a lot of smart white men on motd have a preference for Asian women (jrleek, ulysses, ax, erikred, etc). \_ I've never stated a preference for Asian women. I love all women. And how did I become a smart white man? Most people on the motd think I'm a friggan idiot! Maybe you have me confused for someone else? Thanks for the compliment though. My wife is Italian, if it matters. I find I have some kind of weird genetic attraction towards white trash Irish women and Latinas, presumably since I am both Irish and Spanish. -ax All powers to friendly and tolerant white men in the Bay Area. However, I've had a much tougher time with white women in general. Although I've met a few friendly ones (heck I even went to prom with a white girl), IN GENERAL I find it hard to approach them. I can easily demonstrate this phenomenon when my white buddies and I go to the mall and we separately try small talks with cute blond clerks. You can easily tell that they're usually friendlier and more flirty with someone who's more blond and/or whiter, and they don't even make any effort to hide it. In general I don't have good impressions with white women-- many are shallow or bitchy. Maybe this is one of the many reasons why smart white men in the Bay Area prefer my kind, I don't know. To address the original post, let me just say that I haven't really experienced discrimination in my life. However I suspect racism still happens a lot in the backdoors of managements, especially for jobs that are predominantly white. My parents used \_ Preferentialism is everywhere. That's why there's the Indian Mafia, the Persian Highway, the Sisterhood, etc. If anything, white males are *less* obvious about their preferences, though Mario and his Italians are the most infamous exception. \_ What about Luigi? \_ ^Luigi^Luca. Mario begot Luca. to tell me that when they came to the US in the early 80s (not in the Bay Area) to rent and later to buy a house, they'd often get ignored or get rude white folks who don't seem to want to help them. A lot has changed in the past few decades. \_ Well, as a white guy, random white people tend to tell me things they wouldn't say outright to people of other races because they feel more comfortable. I find that lots of white people are racist against blacks and Mexicans (not Hispanics, but specifically Mexicans). They tend to think that Middle-Eastern, Jewish, and Indian people are weird. As for Asians, I have to say I don't hear much about them except how they are smart, wealthy, and build big, ugly houses. That stereotype is just as offensive to me as if they were considered poor and stupid. FWIW, I have had lots of people (even Asians themselves) tell me to never work for a Korean or a Chinese. Where do Filipinos fit into this? I think they get the short end of the stick. \_ Are you an Italian? \_ Anytime you try to generalize to such a large group as "white people" you are going to be off the mark. I am sure there are racists everywhere, but my experience is that white/asian relations are very good in San Francisco. If anything, they are the ones tolarating us, since they anything, they are the ones tolerating us, since they are in the majority now. \_ Hot asian women are always welcome! \_ Hot women of any race are welcome. \_ Um. I think everybody is racist. Living with other types for long enough usually forces people to accept that they're human too. Stereotypes remain. I think it's possible to not be racist as such but it's easy to resent immigrants because they do change the character of the places they come to. In the bay area, so many of the Asians are not very Americanized and often have traits that I might find annoying. I don't really fit in with "standard" American culture either though. When I was in school in the bay area, the largest group of people with similar culture was the Chinese/TW immigrants. The other kids put together were a sizable group but they were of various types. So my perception was that of the Asian kids being a bigger group than the white kids. When the population is composed of various groups that tend to stick together it's halfway like living in a foreign country. Not that long ago, the Bay Area character was completely different. So obviously this is "threatening" but at least from my perspective I don't have a family legacy here and have no real basis to complain. |
2005/6/16-18 [Reference/Religion, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea] UID:38147 Activity:kinda low |
6/16 Happy Bloomsday ... unhappily apparently uncelebrated by GOOG. "How sick, sick, sick I am of sloda! It is the machine of failure, of rancor and of unhappiness." \_ If the GOOG icons indicate what they like or don't give a damn about then it's clear that they really give a damn about Christians and don't give a damn about Muslims. \- come to think about it, i think they did do an icon last year ... i guess BLOOM100 was worth it but BLOOM101 doesnt cut the mustard. \- actually come to think about it, i think they did do an icon last year ... i guess BLOOM100 was worth it but BLOOM101 doesnt cut the mustard. \_ It might in muslim countries. They don't do an icon for Korean independance day in the states, but they do in Korea. \_ Are you sure? I swear I saw the main banner modified to have Korea's yin-yang with the i-ching doohickeys this one time. -- ulysses \_ No, I'm not really sure. Korean independence is 8-15, I don't recall seeing anything last year, but i could be wrong. Of course, it could've been a different holiday too, chusuk or solal. \- aug 15 is india's indep day too. \_ That's interesting. That's actually "Korean independence from Japan" day, ie V-J day. I assume India's is from the British? \- well the day is slightly artifical. the indians were negotiating with the british when to do the handover and after consulting with some religious/ astrology types, they picked aug 15 as an auspicious day. then the pakistanis picked aug 14, just to be different, but the moment of indep, was midnight and the same for both countries. FYI: this is where phrase "freedom at midnight" or S. RUSHDIE's title "midnight's children" comes from. although if you are asking from whom this indep came, this may not especially resonate with you. functionally Dae Han Min Gook= Vande Matram. \_ Do Koreans also celebrate the split of North and South on V-J day? Do they even remember how they got split up in two? I don't see any koreans who resentment USA for this. \_ Ummm... no, why would they celebrate the split? They don't like it. And there are plently of They don't like it. And there are pleantly of Koreans who resent the US for it, but given the choice between being split and being all one big NK or a province of China, I think most are see it as better than the alternitives. Don't know many koreans, do ya'? |
2005/6/3 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Israel] UID:37958 Activity:kinda low |
6/3 Connie Chung is a Jew? http://www.nndb.com/people/756/000024684 \_ "Is Jewish" is the phrase you probably want to use. \_ why? just curious. \_ You're dumb. \_ She married a Jew, so (like it says at the bottom) she converted to Judaism. \_ mmm....Jewish Korean American princess. Is that double the maintenance? *bwahaha* \_ Page says she's chinese, not korean. Does that make you a racist? \_ God damned right! I am a racist! Korean American Princesses are so high-maintenance, it's a wonder anyone marries them at all. I have no idea how high-maintenance Chinese American Princesses are or if such a concept exists. \_ Was your Korean gf high-maintenance, sky? |
2005/5/28-31 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/China, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea] UID:37871 Activity:nil |
5/27 I read couple Chinese newspaper saying that 15 of F-117A is now in South Korea. Does any of you knew about this? \_ http://www.airforcetimes.com/story.php?f=1-292925-869425.php \_ This article implies over 100 F-117A are deployed around the world when only 54 remain. http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/f-117-specs.htm when only 55 remain. http://www.af.mil/factsheets/factsheet.asp?fsID=104 \_ I read a lot of things in Chinese newspaper, some don't get reported in American media until a few days later. Why? |
2005/5/4 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea] UID:37523 Activity:high |
5/4 "Uhm. Tsu-Jae is Korean." \_ Yes, my friends and I know that. We just want to know how long it takes before jrleek realizes that. We're actually quite surprised considering that he married an Asian woman. Obviously he doesn't know, or doesn't care to know. At this point, we feel insulted enough and have decided that none of his messages are worth replying to. \_ Umm.. really? There's no Korean syllable that would romanize to Tsu. Are we talking about this person? She looks Chinese, and her name sure isn't Korean. Maybe Chinese-Korean? -jrleek http://www.eecs.berkeley.edu/~tking Or are you saying kngharv is Korean? I know no korean name romanizes to "King", although I guess you could translate the wang name. Never heard of anyone doing that though. |
2005/4/15-16 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea] UID:37217 Activity:kinda low |
4/15 Retired Korean agents burn coffin of Japan ambassador. http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200504/200504150029.html \_ Sure everyone gets along so well in that region today, but what happens tomorrow when peak oil arrives? |
2005/3/4-5 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea] UID:36521 Activity:moderate |
3/4 North Korean diplomat talks about what NK things of the US. There are some great quotes here. BTW everything is Bush's fault. http://csua.org/u/b9d \_ Listen. Bush is a great president because he stands by his belief. Bush ousted Saddam who was personally financing Palestinian suicide bombers and was making ties to Al Qaeda. I don't care much about world and overal liberal perception of the US. The right thing to do is sometimes unpopular. Now go ahead and mock me with immature liberal insults. \_ This has got to be a liberal trolling, but on the off chance that it isn't: the "BTW everything is Bush's fault," is a joke on the contents of the article. Read it and come back. Sheesh. -op \_ Sorry. I didn't read it at first because I thought it was another liberal drivel. Thanks for sharing the article. \_ First rule of motd: Do not respond to link descriptions with out reading the link. \_ Story quotes: He believes that Americans have the wrongheaded notion that North Koreas are unhappy with the system of government under Kim Jong Il. "We Asians are traditional people," he said. "We prefer to have a benevolent father leader." ... The North Korean criticized some Japanese politicians' efforts to link the nuclear talks to the question of Japanese citizens kidnapped by North Korea in the 1970s and 1980s. "This was something done by a few overly enthusiastic people long ago," he said. "We tried to make amends. [Okay, between his being an idiot, or trying to sell us, I'm going to say the latter.] \_ Is it that hard to just let the kidnapped go home if they are really trying to make amends? \_ The big deal was that N. Korea sent over a body, said it was so-and-so who was kidnapped and their papers. Then testing of the body showed it was someone else, and review of documentation showed it was forged. Japanese officials said "What the fuck?!?" And N. Koreans said, "Did you say something?" and has been pretending not to hear. This is why most of Japan is currently super-pissed. \_ Lying commies. \_ I like this one: The declaration [of nuclear weapons possesion], which jarred U.S. officials, was not intended as a threat, he said, but merely a way to advance negotiations..."We were hoping for change from the U.S. administration. We expected some clear-cut positive change." Riiiighhht. \_ Highlights: "There is a question of what is a political prisoner. Maybe these people are not political prisoners but social agitators." "We should have food, shelter, security rather than chaos and vandalism." Yeah, food would be nice. When were they planning to provide that? Typical schizophrenic North Korean-speak. \_ I'm still trying to figure out the difference between a political crime and social agitation. |
2005/2/23-24 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea] UID:36385 Activity:nil |
2/23 Hi, are there any Koreans who watch "Jewel in the Palace" on Ch26? Is the drama true to Korean history (the costumes, rituals, etc.)? Thx. -- Chinese \_ I don't watch it, nor have I ever watched it, but if it's like most Korean dramas based on pre-modern society, the rituals are probably correct. The costumes, however, are probably more vibrant than they actually were. |
2005/2/4 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea] UID:36064 Activity:high |
2/4 "The United States would dispatch 690,000 troops and 2,000 warplanes if war breaks out on the Korean peninsula, according to a South Korean defense policy paper released Friday" \_ That seems like a lot. Anyone know how many troops we have? \_ I think if you count everyone in training, on leave, resupply, and doing 'back end' work it's about that many. We have 125k active duty in Iraq and that's a stretch. \_ We won't need troops soon. We'll have armored death robots within a few years. -John \_ I think we should make Imperial Walkers. Why not? Unlike missile defence I'm pretty sure they would actually work. \_ I, for one, welcome our new robotic overlords. \_ Link? \_ doubtful. Marines fall short of recruitment, and is in trouble: http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/02/03/marines.recruiting.ap \_ Did you actually read your own link? It doesn't say they're in trouble. It says they were 84 recuits short of their 3270 recruit goal in January, but they were 184 over the goal for that quarter. \_ There are only 450k active duty soldiers in the entire Army, so that seems like a bit of a stretch. I am sure we would activate the Reserves and pull in the IRR though and they number at least another 1/2M. |
2004/11/12-14 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea] UID:34859 Activity:low |
11/12 "Seoul May Ban North Korea College Web Site". I don't get it, why? Are they really that afraid of what the NK have to say? \_ Link? \_ http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=582&e=2&u=/nm/20041112/wr_nm/korea_north_website_dc \_ http://tinyurl.com/5wgpc \_ Wasn't the US media always make a big fuss about China blocking some external sites? hehe. \_ If SK starts blocking US media sites, they will raise a fuss too \_ The answer is, well, yes. There are a few reasons. 1) Most of the polititions are old, and therefore can harken back to the the politicians are old, and therefore can harken back to the old days when Communism actually seemed attractive. They may have friends who migrated north during the war, although most of the migration was south, of course. Another problem is that korean youth are, by and large, surprisingly easy to manipulate. The schools don't teach critial thinking, and push a lot of nationalistic propaganda, which results in the North Korea love seen amoung many young South Koreans. Finally, in the NK/SK conflict the internet is a one-way communication medium. NK can push propoganda to the South, but northerners can't read any SK propoganda, so it's a bum deal for the south from that perspective. -jrleek PS The article meantions that all they're really doing is applying the existing security law to a new medium. Communication with NK is heavily curtailed in SK. Although I agree with Roh Moo-hyun that these laws ought to be repealed now. |
2004/9/12 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea] UID:33476 Activity:nil |
9/11 Mushroom cloud over NK (probably not a nuke): http://tinyurl.com/6sr6h \_ thanks, I dont read the news |
2004/9/7 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Israel, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea, Politics/Foreign/Europe] UID:33379 Activity:very high |
9/7 Does anyone have any recommendations for Foriegn bands? I quite like the Mexican Rock band Mana, and the Korean singer Boa is sometimes ok. \_ TaTu \_ Vladimir Vysotskiy, Brathanski, Garmarna, Yann Tiersen, Ali Primera, Gilberto Gil, Bebel Gilberto, Astrud Gilberto, Tom Ze, Os Mutantes \_ If you like rap, MC Solaar has his moments. \_ Plastilina Mosh? Phil's Finest Hour? Chico Cesar? Damien Rice? \_ Los Fabulosos Cadillacs (actually a hybrid) and Manu Chao are two of my favorites. Also, he's been dead for years but nobody's life is complete w/o some exposure to Serge Gainsbourg, like him or not. -- ulysses \_ Do you mean non-English-speaking, or just foreign bands you may not have heard of? I'm a big fan of the Aussie band The Cat Empire. You might also have good luck with the BBC's The World: http://www.theworld.org/globalhits/index.shtml On a totally unrelated note, has anyone here heard the new Bjork album? The two tracks I've heard sound pretty sweet. \_ Sektor Gaza, russia most popular rock n roll band \_ This must have been a joke, but anyways, just don't listen it in front of someone who speaks Russian.. As for Russian rock bands, DDT is certainly the best. The rest are just wannabes. \_ sektor gaza is awesome! check out these song titles: http://csua.org/u/8y1 -danh \_ Hedningarna, Finnish techno-rock-folk group. \_ It'd be helpful if you mentioned what type of music you were interested in, but: Brazil: Carlinhos Brown, Caetano Veloso, Os Mutantes, Tom Ze Argentina: Reynols, Astor Piazzolla Scotland: The Delgados, The Pastels Scandinavia: 22-Pisterpirkko, Pan sonic, Stina Nordenstam, Flesh Quartet, Sigur Ros Germany: Jan Delay, Absolut Beginner, Can, Neu France/Africa: Les Nubians, Khaled, Natacha Atlas \_ Finland: FINNTROLL Check out http://allmusic.com and/or pick up a copy of the Wire. \_ Why do you hate America? |
2004/8/19 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea] UID:33026 Activity:high |
8/19 US isolated and ignored, while the world party with N. Korea http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/20/international/asia/20korea.html?hp Read second page on how NK is changing for the better already. Is it time to go flip flop flip flop flip flop? - kimchi troll \_ lol! \_ Kim Jong Il is flip-flopping! Let's vote to turn him out! \_ Bush should fly his brother there on a 'diplomatic' music mission like WJC did. That would really help! \_ Well, they weren't reprocessing fuel rods then... |
2004/8/19 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea] UID:33012 Activity:kinda low |
8/19 Did someone hate Douglas J. Feith? Column he submitted to Post ystrdy: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A13742-2004Aug18.html \- wow, he's the clarence thomas of the defense dept. --psb |
2004/8/14 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea] UID:32897 Activity:nil |
8/14 http://csua.org/u/8le Anyone have pics of the actresses/artists mentioned in this article? \_ http://www.koreanwiz.org/at/actors27.html http://my.dreamwiz.com/wonbean/profile.html It was hard to find a pic of Lee Yu Jin until I bothered to spend 2 seconds on Google. Idiot. \_ Back in the days of WEB (basement of Evans, in case you forgot), my asian classmates all had desktop background of very nice asians girls, some naked but none like the sluts you see on porn site. Where can I/did they find these pictures? |
2004/6/15-16 [Recreation/Food, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea] UID:30813 Activity:nil |
6/14 http://reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=5414783 Korean dumpling is rotten. This reminds me of the time when I bought a bottled Korean Ginseng drink and got a huge headache and bloody red eyes. I don't trust Korean made food anymore. \_ Try fresh ramen or the rice. That shit is really good. Also the quality of their tofu is excellent. Pulmone brand is my favorite. You can actually smell the freshness when you open the packaging. \_ Won't somebody PLEASE think of the SHIN RAMYUN! \_ Isn't all Korean food basically rotten? I thought that was part of the process (letting it ferment). \_ Bad troll, no kimchee. |
2004/6/9 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea] UID:30690 Activity:high |
6/9 How do you go about watching a more obscure Olympic sport like judo or archery? Is there some sattelite station that broadcasts everything? \_ A lot of the more obscure stuff doesn't even get on film. They might send 1 film crew as punishment... or they might not. \_ They all get covered by some country though. Korea loves archery. (They win every year). I assume Japan likes Judo. (Although I've seen that on American TV too.) I know you could probably watch the Korean coverege of the archery contest online. -jrleek \_ Excellent! That's the kind of info I was looking for. So, is foreign sports coverage something that I whould be able to watch on someone's sattelite TV or what? |
2004/6/5-6 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea] UID:30632 Activity:high |
6/5 http://www.japantoday.com/e/?content=popvox&id=486 This jsut gets better and better. Min Ji, the S. Korean who is quoted as saying "Something like that would never happen in S. Korea" claims she was misquoted! (Check the comments below) \_ she's not bad looking... \_ That's funny and a little sad. The J-press has been known to misquote, however, so it's not that surprising. Then again, is it just me or is her English a lot more natural in her comments? Hmmmm. \_ it's not just u. I noticed it too. \_ Only the Japanese press misquotes? \_ Of course not. Don't be silly. The J-press is just rather more notorious for it. \_ From the page: "We (readers) have to remember that these are not the words of the respondants, but translations (or mistranslations), and context may also be missing. The accuracy is now in serious question, and not just for Min Ji. |
2004/6/3-4 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea] UID:30589 Activity:high |
6/3 http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=542&u=/ap/20040603/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/rumsfeld_asia_2&printer=1 There's 187,000 available troops with no draft. \_ What part about "we cannot keep our troops in combat zones year after year without degrading their effectiveness" don't you understand? |
2004/6/3 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea] UID:30580 Activity:nil |
6/3 Here's 184,000 troops that don't need to be where they are. http://tinyurl.com/26k96 (news.yahoo.com) |
2004/4/29 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea] UID:13463 Activity:moderate |
4/29 You too can support North Korean Freedom! http://www.nkfreedom.org/nkfa.html \_ Where can I buy portraits of the Great Leader? \_ Meanwhile, Blizzard just released a new patch for Starcraft, and millions of South Koreans rejoice. \_ Pfft. Starcraft, hah. Now, when they release the next Lineage mod, then you'll see dancing in the streets of Seoul |
2004/4/22 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea] UID:13332 Activity:nil |
4/22 CIA operation missed North Korean leader but killed 3,500 civillians. http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/22/international/asia/22CND-KORE.html?hp \_ I'm be impressed if the CIA could pull that off. Really, even missing Kim Jong Il, this kinda thing is gonna cause serious \- Greetings, Earthlings! \_ What? I don't get it. \- YMWTGF(kim jong il greetings earthlings) --psb \_ Ok, what does YMWTGF stand for? I even googled it. \- YMWTGF(YMWTGF) -> nil --psb \_ Yo Mothertrucker Wastin mah Time, Google For .. \_ You must have _this_ IQ to ride this thread. problems. Making it even MORE difficult for NK to get oil... \_ Maybe it's a NK conspiracy to blame the explosion on a terrorist act on the CIA so that NK can declare war on the US and take over SK while we are still tied up in Iraq. \_ NK is in no shape to take over SK. Its nuclear project is a last ditch attempt at survival. \_ Yeah, that would be a pretty bad idea for old NK. Not that I don't think Kim Jong Il can't be that stupid... Basically all NK has left is its ability to cause more destruction that SK wants to put up with. \_ What little believability there is left disappears if you consider Dubya as the one squishing the axis of evil \_ actually, he is in the process of trying to squish Afghanistan elements and Iraq, so I guess it's possible he just went after North Korea! \_ Well, some idiot in the planning assumed that communist train must always run on schedule and so caused a delayed explosion. \_ Does CIA always claim responsibility in mainstream media? \_ How do we know the CIA wasn't involved in the Kennedy assassination? Well, he's dead, isn't he? \_ MASS GRAVES! \_ DEAD ARMENIANS! \_ No no. You're not using it right. MASS GRAVES only applies to Iraq threads. IRAQ IS THE STANDARD THREAD! \_ You fool! Standards like that will destabilize the Middle East for years to come! \_ Why do you hate America? \_ The only way to make this thread more generic is to censor it. \_ Only liberuls censor generic threads. |
2004/4/15 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea] UID:13213 Activity:nil |
4/14 http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A14444-2004Apr15.html This is a fairly good run down on S. Korea's recent election. It's mainly interesting because most American's assume that this means Koreans are turning anti-American and pro N. Korean. Which is true to some degree, but my wife (who is Korean) belives this has more to do with a backlash against GNP corruption, and the Uri Party (Roh Moon Hyun's party) being realitively anti-corrution. Impeaching the president really went over badly for the GNP. -jrleek \_ when did you get married? \_ 1/31/2004. You can see a picture or 2 of my wife on my csua webpage. -jrleek BTW, who's asking? \_ congrats! -dwc |
2004/4/8 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea] UID:13083 Activity:very high |
4/8 On Al-Jazeera, an announcer read a statement he said came with the video .... "Three of your sons have fallen into our hands," the Al-Jazeera announcer read. "We offer you two choices: either pull out your forces, or we will burn them alive. We give you three days starting the day this tape is broadcast." Japan's NHK television identified the captives as two aid workers and a journalist. The passports shown in the video belong to: Noriaki Imai, born 1985; Soichiro Koriyama, 32; Nahoko Takato, 34. The gunmen also displayed a press card for Koriyama from the weekly newspaper Asahi. ... Associated Press Television News obtained a copy of the full video, which also shows four masked men pointing knives and swords at the captives as they lay on the floor of a room with concrete walls. At one point, a gunman holds a knife to the throat of one of the men; his eyes widen in panic and he struggles to try to get free. The woman weeps and her lips move as if speaking. There was no audio to the footage. -NY Times (today) (The article also describes the method by which eight Korean Christian missionaries were also kidnapped, now subsequently released.) \_ Will they saran wrap them up first? The Japanese love that. \_ If they execute them, nuke their city. \_ Which city? All of them??? \_ Nukes are cheap. We've been spending big bucks to dismantle them for 20 years. Use a few. \_ Whenever I see someone threatening to slit someone's throat (as it happened with Pearl and probably some of the 9/11 flights), I think of this video: http://csua.org/u/6tv NOT WORK SAFE. Probably the most horrible video I've ever seen, and I've seen all of soda's famous ones. This is no joke. \_ that's pretty damn horrible/scary... Who was the poor guy? \_ Care to elaborate for those who opt not to view it? \_ They stick a knife in the guy's throat, and slash it, and then cut his head off. It's really awful. \_ it's propaganda footage from Chechen rebels. The guy is a captured young Russian soldier. \_ We're supposed to be pitying the poor rebels, right? If not, would it help their acuse if they sent their kids into civilian areas wearing bomb belts? \_ that is nothing, in Indonesia, the muslim bastards killeda 14 year old Chinese christian girl by sticking a sword, edge side up into her vagina, thrusting it all the way till the hilt hits her vagina, then proceeding to cut open her torso from vagina to chin. nice religion. |
2004/1/10-11 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan] UID:11738 Activity:nil |
1/9 Finished Medal of Honor Rising Sun. Graphics is definitely better than the first one. However, the storyline sucked. They should have made the last round relating to atomic bomb (bombadier, gunner on B-29, etc). Also it's so stupid that they had to kill every single Asian guy, even the good ones working for U.S. (Tanaka). It's like that movie Anti-Trust and other Hollywood movies-- you must kill all Asian men, good or bad. \_ Feeling a bit emasculated as an asian male, are you? This reminds me of the time I was walking behind these two asian dudes right after brandon lee killed himself and they were talking in a very serious way how his death and bruce's death only goes to prove there is a whitey conspiracy to demasculinise the asian male. I love you guys. BTW, are you a Hoyt Sze fan? Maybe his younger cousin or something? \_ After he killed himself? He was accidentally shot during the making of the Crow. \_ definitely. The white culture is all about domination of the weaker race, subduing their power and dignity and taking away all the other women. Look at all the Westernized colonies and Asia in general. They're mostly puppet states and are really owned and influenced and in some cases controlled by Westerners. The Japanese should have won and taken Asia back. Oh, and N Korea rewls, they have a lot of guts to stand up against the Western bullies-- they will not be the last one to do so. \_ It's times like this when it's a little tricky to sort the trolls from the psycho idiots. |
2003/9/9 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea] UID:29524 Activity:insanely high |
9/8 http://asia.reuters.com/printerFriendlyPopup.jhtml?type=worldNews&storyID=3408521 Sigh... once again world leaders were unprepared for the obvious and easily foreseen. Only a week ago Japan announced they're going to _start_ spending $2b/year for the next 5+ years. SK has no plans for defense at all. And in the next year we have a good chance of seeing a few million people anywhere in the region go up in smoke. Literally. \_ According to the 2003 CIA world factbook the military budgets for these countries in 2002 were (roughly): S. Korea: $13B Japan: $40B \_ Percentage for missile defense? near zero. \_ Kim Jong-Il isn't going to do anything. Why not? Because he'll lose if he tries. Kim Jong-Il's most important goal is survival. He merely wants to give off the appearance of being crazy so he can blackmail donor countries. If he did anything, we would invade and he would lose. for sure. \- it's probably actually the case that NKorea is willing to "bid" to higher risk levels. going with the poker analogy, bluffing might be just that when it comes to a single round of poker, but the willingness to run higher risks has implications across repeated interactions. in a MAD world you dont directly threaten the other side, but you threten the other side with your willingness to risk things going out of control. this model applies in a certain modified way in the north korean case. lit. references skipped. BTW, pico iyer has an interesting travel essay on NK from a few yrs back in "tropical classical" i think. there is also an interesting frontline on NK. --psb \_ You know, that's very similar to what people said about Saddam Hussein: he'd either use/have WMD's or allow the inspectors in. 1) we haven't found WMD's (which of course brings up nasty questions of either intelligence failure or someone else getting the weapons. 2) he didn't let inspectors in \_ uhh, revisionist history here? \_ Thanks for the correction--I must be hanging out with the wrong crowd. His obstruction in 1994 led the inspectors to believe that they couldn't accomplish anything (and hence the left). The UN resolutions in 2002-2003 were for Hussein to lead the inspectors to WMD's or produce evidence that the weapons had been destroyed. No one expected him to let his country be invaded rather than comply. \_ the inspectors left in 1998. Not 1994. Also he did start producing serious evidence there were no WMDs, but the adminstration went to the the rest of the world and said he was lieing and they had evidence to prove it. Funny how now they are backing away from that and hoping most people wont notice or care. Which is working in the US but isn't working too well outside of the country. And as has been proven recently the US CAN'T go it alone unless they are willing to make sacrafices and pay through the nose. \_ His evidence was late and weak thus leading to the reasonable assumption + intelligence that there were easily found WMD. Hussein's actions still make no sense. We had a large force at his southern border and were making preparations to invade that were so obvious CNN was showing the work being done on international TV and he still wouldn't blink. \_ Perhaps he was not willing to fully cooperate because US is bombing his military capabilities even beyond the no fly zone, and has pretty much stated that we would try to assasinate Saddam if we find the chance? \_ No, your timeline is way off. We were *way* beyond no fly zones and other sanctions era garbage at this point. If he didn't blink it was clear he'd get invaded and crushed, party over. No blink. You can't judge foreign leaders based on your local concept of common sense. \_ It was clear to him he would get invaded no matter whether he blinked or not. US special forces is all over Iraq by that point, and condition for no invasion is for Saddam to step down and go into exile. Exile means US can assasinate him anytime it wants. The voluminous evidence (several thousand pages) is \_ So how much of your half-eaten Cheetos did you spew all over your screen while typing that? not weak but as much as he can provide given that, as we now know, he really doesn't have any WMD. \_ Obviously I need to stop posting late at night. There is no sane explanation for Hussein's actions. Why do you expect Kim Jong-Il to be different? \_ There's a really interesting long ass article about Kim Jong-Il in last week's new yorker, I guess I could post it somewhere if you're interested. now I feel like psb, this sucks. - danh \- evolutionary ameliorism \_ So you work for the State Department and have access to the psych profiles of foreign leaders? What security clearance does that require? Is there any other secret shit you can maneuvering to prevent a war at all costs. Keeping US share with us? --super spy #1 fan \_ One doesn't need all that "secret shit". It's common \_ Umm, China constitutes > 70% of N Korean imports. Since N. Korea has no natural resources or domestic industry, this means in effect N. Korea survives only through China. PRC military wants military parity with the US ~ 2025, their generals and military reports are very specific that they view the US as adversary. Sorry you are wrong (unless of course you know more thant the entire US defense establishment). sense. The problem with US intelligence services is too much technology and too little common sense. Kim wants to hold on to power for the long term, and to do that his best model is the PRC. Unfortunately, US sanctions is preventing him from following in the PRC's footsteps. He also faces much more serious military pressures and burden as compared to the PRC. South Korea poses much more of a threat as the better model than Taiwan vis-a-vis the PRC, since Taiwan is so small compared to PRC. Yes, Kim might strike if he is cornered. If you let him have a way out, he would take the way out. I think US wants to take him out whereas S. Korea prefers a more moderate, slower, but less risky way. Maybe if PRC continues to prosper economically, it can pull N. Korea out of economic disaster even with US sanctions. Either take Kim out ASAP or help him with economic liberalization are both better than the current impasse. \_ No, it isn't common sense to threaten your neighbors and the US with nuclear weapons if you expect to survive long term. If staying alive and in power was his goal, he's chosen a suicidal and foolish path that only a mad man would take. How do you see 10+ years of nuclear weapons and missile development in a starving nation as a means of survival as common sense? \_ If S. Korea, Japan, US feels threatened by N. Korea, how do you think N. Korea feels about the might of the US? If N. Korea's military is weak, US and S. Korea would likely have taken it out a long time ago, given that USSR is no more and PRC is more and more unwilling to support the liability that is N. Korea. \_ Sigh... if the US wanted to take out NK we could do so right now. NK can *never* be so strong that we can't take them out. You have it all backwards. The *only* reason to take them out is they're getting too strong and building WMD and the means to use them *and* are suicidally threatening to do so. Otherwise no one would care what a backwater starving nation run by yet another psycho is doing to it's people. \_ not "no one." South Korea would care. Most south Koreans still have family over there. \_ Sure and USSR could have taken out Afghanistan. Just throw a few nukular bombs and then send in the whole damn Red Army. 3rd grade arguments aside, the question is always, "At what cost?". And no, the reason N. Korea is more and more a concern is not that they are getting too strong but that they are getting too weak and unstable, and of course, the above stated desires of S. Koreans to have a united nation. As for caring about "backwater starving nations", it's all about projecting power and securing interests, like in Iraq, or Philippines in the last century. \_ don't forget that the current PRC model all started with Mao being *dead*. all through the idiocy of the great leap forward and the cultural revolution there were moderate leaders ready to turn China into a real country, and without the maniac dying all this was totaly impossible. Kim is NK's maniac. \_ Mao is a brutal dictator but not a maniac. Yes, GLF is sheer stupidity but I think Mao really believed it would work, at least initially. As for the GPCR, it is Mao's calculated bid to return to power. The PRC model (a more basic version) has been experimented upon off and on since the commie takeover, by the likes of Zhou, Liu and Deng. Mao did not like it too much not because of its merits/problems but because it gives too much power to Liu and others, sidelining Mao. \_ [troll purged] \_ In Washington the 'common sense' prevailing intelligence is that North Korea is China's client state. They are maneuvering to force the US off of the Korean peninsula so China can expand its sphere of influence. DUH. \_ PRC's main concern is much more than whether US troops is on the Korean peninsula. It's biggest fear is war on the Korean peninsula. Politically, helping N. Korea would be disastrous since PRC has good relations with S. Korea, and need trade with Japan and US. Not helping would be disastrous since its people and military leaders would be questioning why it is giving up what the previous generation gave life and blood for. Economically, it would be disastrous for the whole region either way. Militarily, it would have a hard time matching US / S. Korea. PRC is maneuvering to prevent a war at all costs. Forcing US off the Korean peninsula is way down on the bottom of the list. This is all common sense, and very basic. |
2003/9/5 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea] UID:10088 Activity:nil |
9/4 I love this shit. This is legalization of pirates in the high seas, and USA is leading charge: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3082548.stm \_ pirates? am i missing something here? it sounds like it's all the activity of various nations' navies. when the US decides to let commercial fishermen with grappling hooks and hunting rifles board ships, then you can call it piracy. \_ Both of you should read up on maritime law before resorting to statements you can't back up. \_ it's not a question of maritime law, it's a question of what the word "pirate" means. If a warship attacks or boards another vessel, that's not piracy. Pirate: "An armed ship or vessel which sails without a legal commission, for the purpose of plundering other vessels on the high seas." \_ in the good old days, you can't just goahead and board other nation's ship in the internation water. Am I missing something here? --OP \_ you probably side with China in saying to stop WMD you need to talk. Imagine if this program were in place back in Oct 1962 - no Cuban Missile Crisis! Might makes right - get over it! \_ Don't you have any pride in our nation as a beacon of hope for democracy and its ability to bring the world together? Soft power and our ability to set the world agenda towards human rights have earned us much leverage and the admiration of the world. You should reevaluate the nuance of soft power. --aaron \_ when were these "good old days" exactly? the good old days are *right now*. in _your_ good old days ships got boarded all the time. we called it piracy. it still happens in some back water parts of the world but is very rare, that's why ships no longer carry canons, eh? \_ that is my point at first place. In name of stopping WMD, we are acting like pirate of caribean sea. What happened if we are trying board a North Korean ship boun to Syria in middle of Indian Ocean, and North Korean in self defense open fire upon US navy vessel? -OP \_ A military vessel stopping and searching a civ. vessel on the high seas to search for contradband is not piracy. That should be your "point at the first place". Seriously, you're misapplying the word. You don't know what it means. When a US Navy destroyer or Coast Guard vessel stops a ship, tosses the men overboard, sells the women into slavery and keeps the cargo for later sale, please post the URL on the motd and you can talk about piracy on the high seas. I think you're a troll. \_ The north korean ship is probably carrying nukes or missiles or something nastier since that's about the only thing north korea can export these days, so I highly support boarding the bastards. What do YOU think the US should do? Ignore it? \_ "We sleep safe in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm" - Orwell \_ It's a nice quote and always true for any society that has a substantial civilian population going back to Rome and earlier. |
2003/6/20 [Science/GlobalWarming, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea] UID:28783 Activity:nil |
6/20 http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/06/20/1055828474718.html Looking back, I'm glad we didn't waste billions of dollars on that idiotic Star Wars thing now. It would've been totally stupid to be able to maybe shoot down a handful of nukes when the Soviets had thousands. |
2003/5/8-9 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea] UID:28382 Activity:moderate |
5/8 North Korea, home of "the best health care system for people." http://www.kcna.co.jp/item/2003/200305/news05/08.htm#11 \_ We have hundreds of nuclear missiles pointed at your country, stupid American. -kjil \_ Nonsense. You have 2 or 3 and nothing that can go across the Pacific. Go ahead and waste Japan or SK. Or both. \_ bombs are easy to smuggle in on a boat \_ NO!!!!! WE MUST NOT LET THEM WASTE THE H07 4ZN CH1X IN KOREA AND JAPAN!!!! WE MUST PROTECT THE H07 4ZN CH1X AT ALL COST!!! |
2003/5/4 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea] UID:28327 Activity:high |
5/4 The UN solves a critical hunger crisis with skill and diplomacy without resorting to military force in this link. If it was the Bushies, you know the military would've been called in and we'd be bombing the whole place "in order to save it and feed the hungry": http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,449436,00.html \_ Kinda how they solved that Cultural Revolution, Khmer Rouge Korean crisis, Idi Amin, Rwanda... Sorry to say it, but you are a moron, and Im putting it nicely. \_ Sorry to say it, but you got trolled, and I'm putting it nicely. \_ As did you... \_ That's pretty pathetic. |
2003/3/13 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea, Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:27685 Activity:nil |
3/12 Beijing plans to use North Korea to help drive the US out of the Pacific - courtesy of FR http://www.brookesnews.com/031303zhang.html \_ The author is truly a man ahead of his time. |
2003/2/14 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea] UID:27410 Activity:kinda low |
2/14 Regarding the US soldiers raping a korean soldier news. During the first gulf war there were women POWs and they were raped by the Iraqis. I remember some media pundit saying that the men get raped too. I always thought it's third world lowlifes that rape POWs. But after reading that korean news, I'm convinced that our soldiers do the same in the battlefields. It's like prison guards, they rape inmates not for the sex but for the violence and the power. \_ Soldiers are soldiers - all day with a male squad and no fun makes those killers hot and randy. If you can brainwash them into killing all of 'them,' then raping 'them' is no problem. \_ and you know this because? \_ and you share your incoherent ramblings why? \_ The Japanese soldires did that to civilians in China during WWII, and they were no third world soldires. \_ and Korean civilians and Dutch civilians \_ Dutch civilians? Where? \_ Dutch East Indies (a.k.a. Indonesia). \_ The vikings, Mongols, Romans, and probably everyone else did this to POWs and conquered peoples throughout history to establish dominance and de-humanize their caoptives. It wasn't right then, and it's not right now. And now that we can stop it, we need to do so. \_ American soldiers raped a lot of Vietnamese during that war. \_ Tell me the general public can now post to the motd. Can people at this school really be this stupid? \_ no and yes |
2003/2/13 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea] UID:27402 Activity:high |
2/13 http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/asiapcf/east/02/12/us.nkorea/index.html For those non-believers. \_ But it's Saddam that is the evildoer. Why are you trying to distract the American people? Are you some kind of communist? \_ We knew this in 1999, probably before. Similarly, we knew about the nukes since 1998, and there was intelligence suggesting they had them all the way back to 92. But its Bush's fault right? North Korean ICBM 'Shocker' Known Since 1999 http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/842429/posts |
2003/1/16 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea] UID:27117 Activity:nil |
1/15 Thank you Jimmy Carter. http://www.msnbc.com/news/859191.asp?0cv=CA01&cp1=1 Death, terror in N. Korea gulag |
2003/1/15 [Recreation/Dating, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea] UID:27106 Activity:nil |
1/14 On North Korea: Please bear in mind that the rhetoric advanced by the Peerless Leader is hardly worse than what the state machine regularly churns out. He wanted a reaction, he wanted negotiations and a place at the table, and he got it. You can step away from Operation Liberate North Korea now, boys, 'cos it ain't gonna happen. --erikred \_ We are not interested in liberating NK. We just want to keep SK free since it has all the h07 4zn ch1x! Think about the ch1x! |
2003/1/14-15 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea] UID:27096 Activity:high |
1/14 http://csua.org/u/7f7 Why is Bush so afraid of these bastards? \_ Because N. Korea is known to be exporting missiles to rogue nations and N. Korea is also known to be developing nuclear weapons? \_ N. Korea has a lot to worry about. 1. they are much closer to having the bomb, some even think they already got one or two 2. technically, they are relatively sophiscated, as they did \_ NK does not have missles than can reach US soil. They do have missle that can reach Japan and this is why people are concerned. Any day now, we'll all be eating kimchi and speaking Korean our test 2 stage rocket 3. they are in the state of starvation for past couple years, and starving person / state tend to do "irrational" things 4. they are next to Russia and Chinese mainland, so U.S. need a bit careful about launching assault next to these big boy's \_ Even if NK had them, they wouldn't launch an attack on the U.S. Their main goal is preserving the current regime, not suicide. border 5. Launching assault from Japanese base does not go well with \_ Yeah and the Sun revolves around the earth. Koreans nor Chinese. 6. N.Korea is this close to Seoul. If the north decided to attack the south unexpectly, it probably will succeed in taking Seoul (however brief the moment may be). This doesn't go well with S.Korean's economy. \_ Because N. Korea is known to have exported missiles to rogue \_ Who says Bush is afraid of them? They're not a threat. We must invade Iraq now! nations and N. Korea is also known to be developing nuclear weapons? \_ Probably because N. Korea has a shitload of nuclear that sit on top of long distance missles that can reach the Bay Area. IMO \_ And one day if you keep believing, you'll be a REAL boy. \_ Congratulations! Welcome to the IDIOT CLUB! \_ And you must be its president? \_ Obviously no-one has proof, but i think you're obtuse if you don't think there's a possiblity. \_ And monkeys might coming flying out my butt. I'd worry more that Pakistan might sell one off than NK. \_ Because he's projecting his Evil-doer template onto North Korea. Any day now, we'll all be eating kimchi and speaking Korean to our new masters. \_ Second place winner in the IDIOT CLUB today! \_ That's not what Kim Il Jong wants. He wants money and oil. \_ And his name spelled correctly. |
2003/1/13 [Science/GlobalWarming, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea] UID:27076 Activity:high |
1/12 A unified 'no' to nuclear blackmail (Kissinger on N. Korea) http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/821349/posts \_ ohh shut up. US has the largest stockpile of weapon of mass desctruction. US is the one who have unleash such weapon against defendless civilian in the past. US is the one that didn't sign universal test ban treaty, didn't sign ban on Chemical / Biological weapon's ban. It is *US* who first labeled North Korea as member of "axis of evil." It is *US* who decleared that we will pre-emptly invade anyone we want; and it is *US* who imposed a crippling economic sanction for the past 50 yrs. If I am North Korean government, I would think I am on the top of US's target list as well. \_ Not a bad troll. Observe: decent show of 'enthusiasm,' strategically placed grammatical errors. Not bad at all. I give it a B+. |
2003/1/11-12 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea] UID:27067 Activity:very high |
1/10 I don't understand why everyone's getting worked up about North Korea pulling out of the non-proliferation treaty. They have poor engineering skills so there's really no chance of them developing nukes anyway. \_ that black dude said they already have nukes. \_ yeah, whatever. \_ Right, I heard months ago that they had nukes, but was think- ing "How the hell did they manage that? They don't build any- thing." \_ the new "cuba" \_ Pakistan, a country with a much smaller defence budget, managed to create it's own nukes. \_ with the help of South Africa |
2003/1/8 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea] UID:27034 Activity:high |
1/8 I feel sorry for these guys: http://www.nytimes.com/2003/01/08/international/asia/08SEOU.html \_ Has it ever been different for an occupying army? How would you like it if Bangeladeshi troops were stationed here? \- "bangladesh" \_ If the Canadians had a million men on our border and were making continuous noise about the revolution they're going to bring south and my country couldn't defend itself, I'd be pretty god damned happy if the bangeldeshis were around putting their own lives on the line and spending a shitload of their own money to keep me safe so I could take over the bangeladeshi memory market and send zillions of spam to the bangeladeshi people through the thousands of open relays in our k-12 schools. \- i think this is a spacific manifestation of "if i an doing X for you with concrete benefits but diluted returns" what do i expect in return. e.g. usa and israel. --psb \_ http://www.geocities.com/baxterautry/News/why.html \_ My experiance in Korea was kinda similar to this, although I was a missionary, so I tried to stay out of those sort of conversations. Basically, there's a giant college rumor mill that spreads these silly stories. They're like Urban legends. Kinda like how the "Free Mumia" system works. Some body hears something, doesn't check the facts, and passes it on. -jrleek |
2002/10/20 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea] UID:26261 Activity:nil |
10/19 Iraq and korea "When confronted in 1994 by incontrovertible evidence North Korea was building nuclear weapons and delivery systems, Clinton chose to bribe rather confront Pyongyang." http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/772156/posts |
2001/11/15 [Politics/Domestic/911, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea] UID:23050 Activity:nil |
11/15 man take your sick anti-loyal trash to North Korea. stupid so-called 'conscience objectors" like you should try living there and see if you can produce this kind of self- destructive thought. (Voluntarily decline supporting your own military?!?) It sickens me that sickos like you are protected by the 1st Amendment. \_ "Love it or leave it" and "My country right or wrong". Your opinions are invalid. Man take your sick fanatic nationalist trash to North Dakota. Jesus H. Christ, man, please get a fucking clue. -John \_ good point! you tell 'em! \_ Not to defend the other guy (I missed what he said anyway), but what you're trying to say is, 1st Amendment is good as long as you're patriotic and you don't voice a dissenting opinion. \_ http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/south_asia/newsid_1657000/1657368.stm Mullah Omar notes a larger plan for the destruction of America. He says, with God's help, this will occur in a short period of time. He asks you keep in mind this prediction. \_ Sort of like Nostradomus. \_ Sort of like Osama. \_ I dug up the original post from the archives. It was the standard anti-war protester meeting from the usual suspects. I don't see why it got this big response or what NK has to do with it. |
2001/11/1 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea] UID:22897 Activity:nil |
11/1 Cold war's over and there hasn't been a dog fight since the 80s. Why the heck do we need F-22s and Joint Strike Fighters when no other country has air dominance over the US? \_ Go look up the history of air battles in Korea and you'll know why. |
2001/9/13 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea] UID:22417 Activity:high |
9/12 North Korea's stance on the US attacks. http://www.kcna.co.jp/contents/12.htm#3 \_ check out this part though: http://www.kcna.co.jp/contents/12.htm#8 wtf? \_ Say whatever. They don't mention that they are the ones who digged underground tunnels thru the 38-deg line and sent assasins into South Korea, and they sent agents to plant a bomb on a Korean Airline civilian flight. Now that's from a country who said they're against terrorism. said is against terrorism. |
2001/9/12 [Transportation/Airplane, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea] UID:22410 Activity:high |
9/12 How come nobody suspected North Korea for this attack? \_ Commies are not faceless cowards. \_ Didn't that Kim-something female agent from NK put a bomb in an \_ Didn't that Kim-something female agent from NK put a bomb in a US airline years ago? \_ Where is she now? She was quite a HO7 AZN CH1C. \_ http://www.koreascope.org/english/sub/2/nk10_5.htm \_ Didn't that Kim-something female agent from NK put a bomb in a US plane years ago? \_ What does NK have to gain from doing this? They want American food and supplies to help their famine at home. |
2001/9/11 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/China, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea] UID:36269 Activity:nil 66%like:22370 |
9/10 What are some last names that could be Asian, Caucasian, and Black? \_ Woods. Kill 3 birds with one stone. I'll start first: lee \_ The "Lee" among Chinese and Koreans are indeed the same last name. Of course this "Lee" is not actually related to the "Lee" among Caucasians and Blacks. (Is that "Lee" short form of "Leland"?) \_ don't you know General Robert E. Lee was Chinese/Korean ??? Park \_ What distinguishes Caucasian last names from Black? Unless you mean African? \- are there black lilas? [that sounds like a magic card]. there are white, indian, middle eastern lilas. ok tnx --psb \_ Rosa Parks was black, not Korean. \_ And her last name was Parks, not Park. \_ As written. Also, originally I wrote Park(s) to emphasize the difference. Very similar names can be held by very different racial groups. \_ Who really cares? \_ Just for fun. \_ -ian is common amongst Armenians. \_ The original poster was referring to Caucasian people as in the white race, not as in the people that live in the Caucasus, a mountainous region on the south of the eastern european Russia. As someone who was born in Caucasus, I do hate that Americans could not come up with a better term for "white people" -akopps \_ caucASIAN. \_ what about Chris Rock's suggestions, such as "yakoo" or "honkaloid"? \_ Chandrasekhar |
2001/9/10-11 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea] UID:22370 Activity:very high 66%like:36269 |
9/10 What are some last names that could be Asian, Caucasian, and Black? I'll start first: lee ??? Park \_ The "Lee" among Chinese and Koreans are indeed the same last name. Of course this "Lee" is not actually related to the "Lee" among Caucasians and Blacks. (Is that "Lee" short form of "Leland"?) \_ don't you know General Robert E. Lee was Chinese/Korean Caucasians and Blacks. ??? Park \_ What distinguishes Caucasian last names from Black? Unless you mean African? \- are there black lilas? [that sounds like a magic card]. there are white, indian, middle eastern lilas. ok tnx --psb \_ Rosa Parks was black, not Korean. \_ And her last name was Parks, not Park. \_ As written. Also, originally I wrote Park(s) to emphasize the difference. Very similar names can be held by very different racial groups. \_ Who really cares? \_ Just for fun. \_ -ian is common amongst Armenians. \_ The original poster was referring to Caucasian people as in the white race, not as in the people that live in the Caucasus, a mountainous region on the south of the eastern european Russia. As someone who was born in Caucasus, I do hate that Americans could not come up with a better term for "white people" -akopps \_ caucASIAN. \_ what about Chris Rock's suggestions, such as "yakoo" or "honkaloid"? \_ Chandrasekhar \_ Rosa Park(s) was black, not Ko-Rean. \_ Robert E. Lee, your friendly Confederate General Chinese/Korean \_ This thread sucks. |
2001/5/14 [Reference/Religion, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea] UID:21277 Activity:high |
5/14 My rant of the day: What is wrong with you Korean bible bangers? Stop harassing me... just cuz I'm reading by myself on the lawn doesn't mean I'm spiritually lost or need salvation. so fuck off. \_ Korean bible bangers? \_ Ever been to Golden Bear at 6am? I have (to do some last minute futile cramming for an 8am exam), and there were a large group of Koreans doing some sort of bible study. I got the impression they do this regularly. Seems like every Korean is part of one of a trillion churches in the neighborhood. \_ as long as they don't harass you to love Jebus, who cares? \_ Just call them traitors to shut them up. Ask if their ancestors would approve of them pushing some white religion. |
2000/9/21-22 [Recreation/Pets, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea] UID:19308 Activity:moderate |
9/21 http://www.f1.net.au/users/dan/hanging.htm \_ What is this, some kind of GOOK recipe book? \_ "How to stew your round-eye yankee POWs" - flavoured with agent orange. \_ sick. i did see a skinned dog being sold. i almost threw up and i did go into hysterics in the middle of a very busy korean market. |
1998/12/17 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea] UID:15111 Activity:kinda low |
12/16 Korea clones human! http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/asiapcf/9812/15/BC-KOREA-CLONING.reut/index.html \_ While Clinton bans human cloning in the US, other countries are already producing super intelligent beings, capable of crippling US intelligence and inventing high tech weapons of mass destruction. The "Pretender" vision is alive! \_ troll deleted \_ Clearly, they're evil and anti-christian. |
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