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2022/09/30 [General] UID:1000 Activity:popular

2008/5/16 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan, Reference/History/WW2/Japan] UID:49971 Activity:moderate
5/15    i may post some lame stuff but the underage japanese youtube
        video of girl staring at camera is pretty stupid
        \_ She's not even japanese
           \_ Yes she is japanese, 1/2, you FUCKING DUMB ASS.
              Your Japanese is horrible and your brain has been classified
              as: narrow minded. Now go back to school and expand your mind.
2008/4/26-30 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan] UID:49836 Activity:nil
4/26    http://www.wired.com/culture/lifestyle/multimedia/2007/10/gallery_tokyo_adult_expo?slide=21&slideView=7
        Why Japanese ppl are sick. Lolicom (Lolita complex) porn is OK!
        \_ First, thanks for making me clear my cache. Second, Lolicon is
           _not_ okay in Japan; it's considered hentai: socially
           unacceptable perversion. This is like saying that all
           Americans are militant polygamists because the FLDS exists
2008/4/1-6 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan, Reference/History/WW2/Japan, Computer/HW/IO] UID:49633 Activity:nil
4/1     http://www.cubo.cc (SFW)
        \_ That is pretty awesome, but why are her eyes so bloodshot?
           \_ Jesus! Do you really want to look at her closely enough to find
              out?!? Keep moving that mouse before she _notices_ you!
        \_ She looks Japanese.
           \_ 1/4 of the Asians have hepatitis. She probably has it.
              Yellow jaundice skin, bloody eyes. Typical hep.
2008/3/15-17 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan, Finance/Investment] UID:49464 Activity:nil
3/14    Is it GDP growth or GDP/person that is the best measure of
        an economies growth?
2008/3/13-17 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan, Reference/History/WW2/Japan] UID:49443 Activity:nil
3/12    Japanese Yen now trading at 100.28 to 1 USD
        \_ When I was in Japan 11 years ago, it fluctuated between 110 and 120.
        \_ It was around 116 when I was there in August. On the plus side,
           this means I've made about 16% on the 5000 Yen that I never got
           to exchanging back for dollars.
           \_ 16% over eleven years?  I'd guess that with inflation you lost
2008/2/21-25 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan, Reference/History/WW2/Japan] UID:49206 Activity:nil
2/21    Any Japanese here?  Does Chikako Aoyama make any X-rated adult video?
        I can only find R-rated ones on the net.  Thanks.
        \_ Don't ask crap like that on the motd.  Take it to http://4chan.org.
           \_ That's useful.  Thx.  -- OP
        \_ key word: usually
2008/2/12-14 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan] UID:49127 Activity:nil
2/12    Anyone from Peru here?  Was race ever a factor in Fujimori's rise and
        his demise?  Thx.
        \_ When I saw him speak at Zellerbach back in '92 or so, he said
           his fellow Peruvians called him "El Chino." He also apologized
           for not speaking Japanese, and he lapsed into Spanish
           (translated) toward the end of his speech. Not sure how this
           relates to your question, but thought I'd share. --erikred
2007/12/5-7 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/China, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan] UID:48752 Activity:high
12/5    Wow, she's pretty hot... She's 11?!?! Augh! My head-A-splode!
        (bikini shot)
        \_ The earlier they blossom, the earlier they'll get fat/ugly/die.
        \_ More pics: http://leegy.egloos.com/2619337
        \_ I so wanna penetrate her!  -- 37-yr-old
        \_ You all are pathetic--drooling over a child.
        \_ You all are pathetic--drooling over a child. - motd boob guy
        \_ She is 14 now, but perhaps 11 when these were taken. In any
           case, she is waaay too young for me.
        \_ Jackie Johnson looks better.                 -dimwit
2007/10/17-19 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan, Politics/Foreign/Europe] UID:48345 Activity:high
10/17   What are some examples of successful & sustainable colonies?
        \_ Israel
           \_ A colony of what country, USA? You're funny.
           \_ We do give them a few billion a year.  Same with Egypt.
              I doubt Egypt or Israel would exist in its present state
              without our aid.  You could argue that they'd be better off
              in a different version.
        \_ phillipines (better troll)
           \_ A colony of what country, USA? You'rnes (better troll)
           \_ A colony of what country?
        \_ Ants and Bees
        \_  Sheffield, Cairo, Marco Nicosia, Odessa, Sabishii, Mangala,
            Dorsa Brevia, Christianopolis, Acheron
        \_ USA
           \_ No you stupid. USA is not a colony, USA is a sovereign
              nation and has been since 1776. A colony is one that depends
              on the motherland. Georgia, Massachussettes, etc were
              colonies of England. Likewise, Poland, France, etc were
              colonies of Nazi Germany. They're all sovereign entities
              now, but not colonies.
              \_ You have a different definition of success than me, then.
        \_ Hong Kong (before it went back to China.)
        \_ The United States of America
           \_ Someone already said "USA" above.
              \_ Maybe they meant Usa, Japan?
                 \_ My wife's family is originally from Usa, Japan. --erikred
                    \_ Her family were colonists?  How cool is that!
                       \_ Oh, the truths spoken in ignorance. :) Usa's a
                          fishing town on the southern coast of Shikoku.
                          There's plenty of speculation about internat'l
                          relations among the fisherfolk, even under the
                          Tokugawa isolation policy. --erikred
                          \_ I'm aware of Usa, Japan.  You know about the
                             post-WW2 shipping labels, right?
                             \_ I'm aware of the "Made in Usa" urban legend,
                                \_ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usa%2C_Japan
                                   It says the myth part is that the city was
                                   renamed, not that anything was shipped
                                   from there.
        \_ Over the long term?  None.  They always either collapse or break
           away and go independent.  In a few cases they become absorbed but
           that is much rarer.
           \_ Breaking away doesn't mean they aren't successful and/or
              sustainable. The USA has been very helpful to the UK in the 20th
              \_ If it breaks away it isn't a colony.
                 \_ Ok, fine. But the USA, Australia, NZ are still cultural
                    colonies of England in a broad sense.
                    \_ Sure, ok, they all speak some form of English and have
                       some sort of democracy so in a "broad sense", sure. I
                       won't argue that.  In a broad sense.
                       \_ Canada and Australia are still under the Queen
                          of England, no? I would say that Canada, USA,
                          and Australia are examples of colonies that were
                          extremely successful and sustainable at least until
                          the point they broke away. What about Hawaii or
                          Puerto Rico? How do you classify those?
        \_ I don't know about you but Iraq has been sustainable so
           far and we're getting a hecka amount of oil from them.
           \_ I don't think we're getting any oil from them.  Damn, trolled.
              \_ We are, just not as much as hoped. Note the huge
                 military presence in key oil refineries.
                 \_ The Spice must flow!
                 \_ You know for a SF epic written in the back of a van
                    behind the old Chronicle/Examiner building, there are
                    an amazing amount of parallels you can draw between
                    Dune and current events.  Frank Herbert, you ruled.
                    \_ Here's hoping he got the Kwisatch Haderach part wrong...
                       \_ You just tipped the geek meter.  Grats.
        \_ Northern Ireland.
2007/9/25-27 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan] UID:48188 Activity:high
9/25    As you get older, the more racist you become because you have
        less inhibition, study shows:
        \_ Uhm... yeah.  Sure.  Whatever.
        \_ Do old people still say Negros or is that a thing of the past?
        \_ My grandpa still says Japs. So what?
           \_ So does my dad, all them jewish princesses --Jon
           \_ They are Japs. How is that offensive? It's like them calling
              us Yankees.
              \_ RACIST!
              \_ Are you Japanese or Japanese-American?
                 \_ No, but are you going to tell me that calling Japanese
                    people Japanese (Japs for short) is racist? Should
                    the British be offended if we call them Brits?
                    \_ The word Jap has a distinct perjorative history, so
                       yes, calling Japanese people Japs is offensive. Calling
                       them Japanese is not. If you cannot spot the difference,
                       you may be to short for this ride. --erikred
                       \_ There's no difference and if Japs are offended
                          by being called Japs then they need thicker
                          skins. It's not the same as "chink" or "gook".
                          "Japs" are what they are!
                          \_ Either you're a bad troll, or you don't realize
                             that you're an idiot.
2007/9/23 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan, Politics/Domestic/Immigration] UID:48154 Activity:nil
9/23    Alberto Fujimori: Wanted in Peru? Vacation in Chile!
        (Summary: Extradited to Peru, now under arrest.)
2007/9/23-24 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan, Politics/Domestic/Immigration] UID:48153 Activity:nil
9/23    Alberto Fujimori: Extradited
2007/9/5-9 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan, Reference/History/WW2/Japan] UID:47900 Activity:nil
9/5     Japan takes FPS Horror to whole new level.  NSFW (alhtough no nudity)
        \_ I can shoot farther than that ...
           \_ Can you shoot that much?
              \_ No
2007/8/31-9/3 [Reference/History/WW2/Japan, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan, Computer/HW/IO] UID:47848 Activity:nil
8/31    More Japanese Jubblies mouse pads, and an instructive sign for
        those who don't get it. (Pretty much SFW)
2007/7/30-8/2 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea] UID:47468 Activity:nil
7/30    http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2007/fit.nation/obesity.map
        Fattest states: The South.
        \_ Hmmm, let's see.  Diet high in fats.  Highest obesity rates....
           Eureka!  You've discovered the secret!  Wowerz!
           \_ Does the cheese explain Wisonsin?  Or was that Michigan?
           \_ I bet the heat also plays a part. It's too hot to want to
              be active outside. People just drive around everywhere with
              the AC on. White people are suited to live in shady forests,
              not sweltering suburbs.
2022/09/30 [General] UID:1000 Activity:popular

2007/7/20-26 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan, Reference/History/WW2/Japan] UID:47360 Activity:kinda low
7/20    Anyone here ever work with a Japanese organization? I find it very
        frustrating! At least with the firm we deal with, although I am
        sure they are very bright based on their achievements, they are
        constantly making small mistakes. Their first course of action is
        always to blame us first! Not once has the error ever been on our
        side once tracked down and yet they always blame us first! And we
        can't tell them that because it would be disrespectful to do so.
        In fact, we have to tell our senior managers to tell their senior
        managers because direct assignment of blame (i.e. your guys
        screwed up) is a no-no, too.  I am frustrated with their way of
        doing business and I find it adversarial, which wouldn't be so bad
        if they weren't the ones always screwing things up and then trying
        to call us on it.
        \_ why give them respect if they don't desever it. let them
           commit sepaku
        \_ Make sure you learn the phrase "Gama Su!, Gama Su!"
           Seriously, this is a free market. You don't have to put up with
           bullshit like this. Switch to another provider/partner. That
           is the beauty of our efficient free market economy.
        \_ Leave messages around saying "You will be crushed by China"
        \_ Which Japanese comapny is that?
        \_ This almost seems like a troll to me, as it appears that the op
           has had to deal with only one firm.  But regardless: isn't this
           how every company/group is?  Playing the passing-the-blame game?
           \_ Not if it's clearly never our problem. If they spent time
              diagnosing it before quickly calling us right away they
              would find the problem themselves. That is, they always find
              the problem themselves, but not before calling us to blame
              us first. It's the cultural thing that bugs me. We can't
              say "Not our problem. Check out your end." because it is
              disrespectful, but they seem to have no problem telling us
              "Please check things out on your end." My management got
              mad at me because their management was upset that we told
              them that the problem was theirs. I was told "You are 100%
              correct, but you can't do that in Japan. You have to tell
              your senior, senior management (way far out of the loop) who
              will relay it to their senior management and then back down
              to people at your level." Is that true or is that a load of crap?
              If that's the way they do business it's a wonder they can
              accomplish anything. There's also a doublestandard, because
              their engineers have no problems telling us the problem must
              be ours even when it never is.
              \_ If they blame you directly, blame them directly. Who cares
                 about the consequences. Why is it you that has to adapt
                 to their customs and not the other way around?
              \_ I hope with the global economy we have, that this is not a
                 widespread case and this company/group is just trying to use
                 the "stupid Americans who don't understand our culture" as
                 an unfair leverage to themselves.  I only know one person
                 who works with a Japanese company on regular basis, and the
                 only complaint he has is how much he is forced to drink
                 whenever he has to have a meeting with them.  Of course,
                 he is Asian, so they may treat him differently.  It's also
                 possible that your manager or his/her manager IS a "stupid
                 American..." and blowing things out of proportion.  Also,
                 is this venture an equal partner venture, or is one company
                 benefitting more from the other?  I am not a Japanese, but
                 I wouldn't expect to have to worry about culture gap/respect
                 issue to come into play at engineer level.  Maybe the guy
                 you "offended" is sleeping with his company exec's daughter
                 or something.  But I still wouldn't blanket the statement
                 to cover the Japanese as a whole if you've only dealt with
                 this one firm.
                 \_ The Japanese are benefitting by this arrangement far
                    more than we are. Also, the reason I used a blanket
                    statement is that other people at work (my management)
                    who deal with the Japanese claim that it's endemic to
                    Japanese culture. I have no experience otherwise,
                    hence my question if anyone else has experience with
                    working with the Japanese.
        \_ If you think that is bad, get Sun, EMC and Veritas in one room
           together and get them to agree who is responsible for an
           \_ Or Oracle, Sun, and Veritas.
        \_ Just to be clear: this is not endemic to all Japanese companies,
           nor is it unique to Japanese companies. Unless this company is a
           make-or-break client, screw cultural sensitivity and call them on
           it. --erikred
2007/6/28-7/2 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan] UID:47106 Activity:nil
6/28    Alberto Fujimori: Balls the size of beach balls:
        (Condensed version: running for Parliament in Japan, considering run
        for Presidency (again) in Peru.)
        \_ Amazing.
2007/6/25-28 [Recreation/Humor, Reference/History/WW2/Japan, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan] UID:47065 Activity:low
6/26    Japanese Tetris: http://www.glumbert.com/media/japtetris
        \_ Oh man this is )(#*$)# hilarious! Thanks for sharing the link
           \_ Seconded, very funny, thanks.  -John
        \_ Superb. Note that I'm 213cm tall. --erikred
2007/6/23-28 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan, Reference/History/WW2/Japan] UID:47047 Activity:moderate
6/23    In a technologically symmetrical war, why would historians (on
        the History Channel) say that taking over Okinawa exacted a heavy
        toll on the Americans? The total stat on the History Channel is:
        American deaths: 12,000
        Japanese deaths: 120,000
        This is a technologically symmetrical war, and the Japanese had
        the advantage of home-base and concealment. If this exacted a heavy
        toll on the Americans, then what do you call the Japanese defeat?
        \_ The estimated kill ratio of American vs. Vietcong was 1:10 to
           1:20. Many US generals were pissed off about the pullback since
           this kill ratio in the historical context is clearly a victory.
           \_ Kill ratios don't mean diddly squat when you are an occupying
              \_ kill ratio is everything. The better the ratio the more
                 likely the other side will see that it's pointless to
                 \_ Which is why time and time again occupying forces have
                    insanely high kill ratios and the other side doesn't
                    stop fighting.  If you get your panties in a "WE WERE
                    WINNING DAMNIT" wad when someone mentions Vietnam,
                    then how about we talk about Soviet Afghanistan, or
                    France and Algeria, or Italy and Ethiopia, or Britian
                    and India.  And so on.
                 \_ kill ratio is irrelevant if there is some arbitrary
                    threshold where political pressure at home of the enemy
                    gets them to withdraw.  What was the kill ratio in somolia,
                    vs how many US deaths did it take us to tuck tail and return
                    home?  How about rwanda?  A few belgian deaths and the UN
                    went home while the genocide raged...
        \_ American public tolerance for war:
           bool tolerateWar(int enemyDeaths, int americanDeaths) {
             float ratio = americanDeaths / enemyDeaths;
             if (year <= 1950) return (ratio <= 1/10)
             else if (year <= 1970) return (ratio <= 1/100)
             else if (year <= 1990) return (ratio <= 1/1000)
             else if (year <= 2000) return (ratio <= 1/10000)
             else if (year <= 3000) return (ratio <= 1/10000000);
           \_ There should be a "hatredOfEnemy" factor in there somewhere.
              I think part of the problem now and in Vietnam is we didn't
              really buy into the enemy being our enemy. I.e. "why are we
              there". For example if we were actively defending ourselves
              or an unambiguous ally from aggression then I think we would
              "tolerate" huge numbers of deaths.
        \- i dont know the context of where you are coming from, but
           in addition to comparing the capabilities of the (two) sides,
           the offensive/defensive balance changes over time, e.g.
           e.g. development of the tank in ww2 was a change from trenches
           + fixed machine guns. coastal batteries, mine fields are defensives,
           airpower, offensive. so the casualities cant simply be compared
           1:1. btw, the off/def approach is more of an approach rather than
           a strict category. see e.g. http://tinyurl.com/2ysgtu
        \_ You can't compare Japanese expectations and tolerance of casualties
           at the time to that of the U.S.  Furthermore, while the Japanese
           had the advantages you mention, the U.S. had complete air
           superiority, 100% reinforcement flexibility (as opposed to 0% for
           the Japanese), and most importantly, were able to set the conditions
           for battle.  The Japanese could not maneuver outside of their
           fortifications without being cut down by vastly superior firepower,
           and could only react to U.S. initiative.   The 12k U.S. deaths are
           the result of the advantages the Japanese had, while the overall
           balance of casualties shows how far in favor of the U.S. the
           conditions for battle were.  Lastly I wouldn't go so far as to say
           that, by 1945, the Americans and Japanese were fighting anything
           even close to a technologically symmetrical war.  -John
           \_ You forgot another thing.   Ryukyu was an independent kingdom
              for more than 2000 years before being annexed by Japan in 1895.
              Japanese never really considered citizens in Ryukyu island
              (so called Okinawa) "real" Japanese anyway.  So, part of the
              reason for such high tolerance of casualties was because
              Japanese themselves were performing genocide on that island any
              way.  Aside from the fact that Ryukyu was this close to the
              Japanese main island, Japenese didn't really give a crap about
              people who lives there.
              \_ Good point -- nonetheless, the Japanese suffered 66,000
                 purely military casualties; the 140k or so civilians dead
                 were another thing entirely, as below poster correctly
                 points out.  At the same time, you may want to draw a
                 comparison with the battle of Saipan for comparisons on how
                 the Japanese viewed civilian casualties.  The IJN/IJA high
                 command was not terribly concerned with civilians, ethnic
                 Japanese or not.  -John
        \_ Since so many Japanese were using suicide bombing tactics at
           that time, I am not sure you can really call this battle
        \_ Wikipedia has 12k US dead, 66K Japanese. If you count wounded
           it is more like 50k to 83k. Civilians really don't count.
2007/6/3-5 [Reference/BayArea, Reference/History/WW2/Japan, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan] UID:46843 Activity:nil
6/2     Ever since having okonomiyaki in Japan, I've been trying to find
        a place in the Bay Area that serves it. Does anyone know of any
        in the Silicon Valley?
        \- i dont really like that stuff, on the other hand it isnt
           very standarized, but you can look here for advisories in your
           area: http://tinyurl.com/2u2soc sounds like japantown/sf isnt
           what you are looking for.
        \_ There used to be a place in SV, but they closed. Benihana's
           stuff is fine for tourists but crap for anyone who's actually
           eaten okonomiyaki in Japan. Sorry, no luck. --erikred
        \_ I've frequented a okonomiyaki place for locals next to an NEC plant
           in Yokohamai a decade ago.  Very good.
2007/5/29-31 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan, Reference/History/WW2/Japan] UID:46784 Activity:nil
5/29    Miss Japan crowned Miss Universe:
        Finally some recognition that the world has yellow fever too. -mrauser
        \_ She looks like Mary Tyler Moore.
2007/4/9-10 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan] UID:46241 Activity:kinda low
4/9     "If I win, I will be terrified."
        \_ Reminds me of the events director Varun. -mrauser
        \_ Sort of reminds me of Micheal Savage.
           \_ Sort of reminds me of Mussolini.
        \_ I wonder if he takes himself seriously?  I doubt it.
2007/3/1-3 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan] UID:45847 Activity:high
3/1     http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070228/ap_on_re_as/japan_whaling_ship
        What kind of scientific study needs to kill 860 whales a year?  Is it
        the "In Search of the Best Tasting Whale" study?
        \_ Pretty much.  Although personally, I don't see anything wrong with
           eating non-endangered whales.
           \_ And I don't see anything wrong with eating people (the least
              endangered mammal on the planet), I can see, though, how
              reasonable people may be agin' it. -phuqm
               endangered mammal on the planet), I can see, though, how reasonable
                people may be agin' it. -phuqm
              \_ Can we start with you?
           \_ I thought whales are endangered, and that's why there is control
              on whaling.  No?
              \_ I'm too busy to look up the economist article right now, but
                 many species of whales are no longer endangered.  (If they
                 ever were, not sure).  Anyway, the Japanese want to hunt the
                 Minsk whale, which is not endangered.  However, there now
                 seems to be some sort of whale cult that is against all
                 whaling, period.
                 \_ I see.  Thanks.
                 \_ Question for you, do you think it is o.k. to
                 \_ Question for you, do you think it should be o.k. to
                    eat Chimps and Bonobos ?
2006/10/20-23 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan, Science/GlobalWarming] UID:44878 Activity:nil
10/20   http://csua.org/u/h9l (washingtonpost.com)
        Super-moron Krauthammer confirms his "special" status
        "The nuclear Japan card remains the only one that carries even the
        remote possibility of reversing North Korea's nuclear program."
        \_ Heh.  "Super-moron".  Again with the lefties who dismiss people by
           calling them dumb.  Can't you guys learn a new trick?
           \_ How about this: Flip-flopping cut-and-runner Krauthammer....
              \_ Ah, this is your knee-jerk about what righties say?
           \_ Don't let me spoonfeed it to you.  C'mon.
2006/10/12-14 [Reference/RealEstate, Politics/Foreign/Europe, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan] UID:44788 Activity:kinda low
10/12   Why do numbers in some street addresses have so many digits?  There are
        only ten houses on the one-block dead-end street in Fremont that I live
        on, but the numbers start at 34000.  On the other hand, street numbers
        in the Bay Farm area in Alameda only have two or three digits.
        \_ IIRC, numbers don't repeat in a given "line", so if you find the
           next street before/after that cul-de-sac that's roughly in a line
           w/ it, the numbers will continue that way.  I have a similar deal.
           I'm on a relatively long st. w/ a 4 digit address, but the 10 house
           cul-de-sac around the corner is 5-digit, because it points the
           direction of the rest of the (fairly long) city.
        \_ some address numbering trivia.  There are a number of long streets
           running through Orange County which go through multiple cities,
           each with their own numbering scheme.  Usually, it's not a source
           of much confusion since most cities cooperate.  But there are/were
           small stretches (like < 6 blocks) in unincorporated areas of the
           county which are on the county numbering scheme -- usually 5 digits
           instead of the 4 digits that most cities use/used.  Yeah, that's
           fun trying to find an address -- 3340 3350 3360 27400 27420 3520 ...
           \_ In Florence (Italy), numbers run in disjoint blue (residential)
              and red (commercial) sequences.  So you can have 1 2 3 4 1 5
              6 2 7 3 4 8 and so on.  -tom
              \_ disjoint is not really the right word.
              \_ How do you tell which sequence it is from the address on an
                 envelop?  Are people required to write/print with red and blue
                 \_ Dunno, maybe they just do "R15" or something.  -tom
                    \- on an envelope or otherwise you write ###r if it is
                       "rosso". Stendahl's famous novel "The Red and the Black"
                       is about a fight between people with red and blue/black
                       addresses in Florence, which he wrote after having a
                       breakdown there trying to find the right address.
                       YMWTG(stendahl syndrome, florence).
           \_ All I gotta say is "Japanese Addressing Schemes" particularly
              say in Tokyo or Kyoto.  Street numbers are picked on totally
              an arbitrary basis many times -- family tradition, good luck,
              numerology, whatever.
2006/9/20-22 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/China, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan] UID:44474 Activity:moderate
9/20    Who's the real boss in Thailand:
        http://www.csua.org/u/gy8 (Yahoo! News)
        "If the king didn't give a nod, this never would have been possible."
        "The King ... rarely enters the political arena, but when he does,
        everyone listens and obeys"
        King Bhumibol is no QE II.
        \_ I think it's more like "everyone obeys, and he ensures everyone
           continues to obey by not throging his weight around too much."
        \_ this is something Americans don't like to admit.  Americans love
           to talk about democracies, yet in Asia, having a symbolic King
           and/or Emperor tend to stabalize the politics. Thailand is a prime
           \_ The four most successful economies other than Japan in the past
              50 years in Asia have been Hong Kong, South Korea, Taiwan, and
              Singapore.  None of them have kings or emperors.  China hasn't
              had an emperor in a while, and its economic and political rise
              has come in the past 20 years with the last emperor long dead.
              In fact, the only 2 countries in Asia with kings are Thailand
              and Japan, and Thailand isn't exactly a stable country now.
              \_ Hong Kong was under the UK for most of the past 50 years, and
                 UK has a Queen.
                 \_ Sorry, but I'm pretty sure that the vast majority of the
                    locals in Hong Kong did not recognize the Queen of England
                    as their spiritual head of state.  They might technically
                    have been under England, but if you're telling me that
                    those Hong Kong street vendors and workers who can't speak
                    a word of English cared about the Queen of England's
                    political position enough to allow her to "stabilize"
                    Hong Kong, that's ridiculous.
              \_ "the only 2 countries in Asia with kings are Thailand and
                 Japan".  Hmm, let's see: King Hamad of Bahrain, King Wangchuck
                 of Bhutan, Sultan Bokliah of Brunei, King Sihamoni of
                 Cambodia, King Gyanendra of Nepal, Sultan Qaboos of Oman,
                 Emir Hamad of Qatar.  If you also count non-sovereign
                 heriditary monarchs, there are seven Sultans in Malaysia and
                 six Emirs in the UAE.
           \_  Americans?  Asia?  High on crack?  What about the U.K., Canada,
               Sweeden, Denmark, Jamaica, and the Netherlands, just picking
               countries at random?  Are they all part of the vast "America is
               big hipocrite who not understand Asia" conspiracy also?
           \_ lol
        \_ This isn't tested though. I haven't read the article. But it's a
           military coup. What would be interesting is if kingy went against
           the one in power. "Oh king approves, that's all right then."
                \_ Japanese history is full of events like this.  For example
                   the Meiji Restoration.  Factions support or resist the
                   EMPEROR not the KING btw.  Japan doesn't have a "king".
        \_ The King of Thailand has a much more active role in politics
           than the symbolic monarchs of Japan, England, Denmark, and
           Sweden, but a much less active role than that of the kings of, say,
           Brunei or Tongo.
        \_ Just this morning I read this in the Sept 16 issue of The Economist:
           "There have been disquieting rumors of plots to overthrow or even
            assassinate the the prime minister. ... ... Mr Thaksin is
            apparently unfazed by the conspiracy theories.  He has left the
            country on a long foreign trip."
        \_ A Thai friend of mine says people are happy for the coup because
           the Prime Minister was a corrupt power hungry asshole.
           \_ Add "and nepotistic" for the win.
2006/8/22-24 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan, Politics/Foreign/Europe] UID:44101 Activity:nil
8/22    http://www.cnn.com/2006/TRAVEL/ADVISOR/08/22/business.etiquette
        How to not be a dumb American. I sure learned alot from this article.
        \_ Dude, you learned a lot from this article? Are you serious? You
           didn't know that you should research the culture of the country
           you're attempting to do business in before you go to do business?
        \_ 'Chaney says, adding, "you never know when you're in one of those
           countries."'  BS.
2006/7/24-26 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan, Science/GlobalWarming] UID:43780 Activity:nil
7/24    Kill you BOINC processes to avoid rolling blackouts.  Better yet, power
        off you machines and monitors when leaving work.  Cuts back on both the
        power to run the machine and the power to run the A/C to cool the room.
        \_ By the time you leave work, the power crisis is over.
           \_ By the time you've figured out how to solve the crisis,
              the problem is no longer there.
           \_ Not everybody stays at work till 7pm when peak hour ends.
        \_ Leave the letter '' out of you sentences to save powe.
        \_ Nuclear power would have solved this. The commie Frogs use it
           extensively, so do the Japanese. How can they do it and we can't?
           Because they standardize their plants. I say, grab some old
           Navy ships with nuclear reactors and have those badboys working
           \_ Their citizenry also doesn't have as much power to say "NIMBY!"
              Well, then again, post New Lincoln... who knows?
              Well, then again, post-Kelo... who knows?
              \_ There's a huge NIMBY movement in Japan, which is why the
                 reactors are in neighborhoods with less vocal residents (i.e.,
                 villages where people value the economic benefits more than
                 they fear the risks).
                 \_ In purely cynical terms it makes more sense to put a
                    potentially city destroying power plant in a less populated
                    \_ s/cynical/practical/
2006/7/23-24 [Reference/History/WW2/Japan, Recreation/Food, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan] UID:43766 Activity:moderate
7/22    When a Japanese restaurant puts in words like sukiyaki, robato,
        and other exotic Japanese names what do they mean?
        \_ if that's exotic, stay in hoboken.
           \_ Why are you so mean? How is this question more stupid
              than the one below that says "What's the difference
              between sushi and sashimi?"
        \_ if this isn't a troll, ask the server
2006/7/5-7 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/China, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan] UID:43569 Activity:moderate
7/5     What's the big deal about NK testing firing some missiles?  I mean
        don't we test fire missiles all the time? We must've test
        fired thousands of missiles, heck, we still drop bombs
        wherever we feel like, and that's all fine. But another
        sovereign nation can't test fire a fucking missiles? Last I
        recall NK hasn't dropped bombs on anyone except Korea. We have
        dropped Nuclear Bombs, Cluster Bombs, all kinds of fucking
        bombs everywhere around the globe, but I guess it's ok because
        we are the good guys, and we never attack unless being
        attacked, ops, I mean we never, never mind.
        \_ You're right, it's about international prestige.  NK wants some,
           the U.S. doesn't want to give it to them.
        \_ It's not just the US; Japan's objecting to NK testing missiles,
           too. That's not about prestige, that's self-preservation. If
           NK can target Tokyo, Japan believes NK will use this to blackmail
           Japan for more economic/agrarian aid. Japan has reason to think so;
           cf. NK's abduction of Japanese citizens and subsequent denial of
           \_ Plus the fake fishing boats in Japan waters.
           \_ Plus the underground tunnels across the 38deg parallel.
           \_ The funny thing is, there is little symphathy toward Japan
              across Asia.  Japanese need to think a bit hard on why being
              targeted by N.Korea doesn't yield any symphathy among its
              \_ In other news, Japan was dressed like it wanted to be
              \_ Dude, from the *U.S.* perspective Japan is very important,
                 our 4th largest trading partner.  We don't want to see them
                 nuked or blackmailed.
                 \_ China is the 3rd largest trading partner, but US doesn't
                    mind China being nuked or blackmailed at all.  In fact,
                    US probably going to nuke China when it got a chance.
                    what does trade has anything to do with all this?
                    \_ No one (apart from the Uighurs and some militant
                       Tibetans in exile) wants to nuke China. The US is
                       pursuing a policy of encouraging the PRC to abandon
                       its ersatz Communism in favor of capitalism (which
                       many people think will somehow lead to democratic
                       reform; I disagree on the basis that the people in
                       power in the PRC are much more likely to use the
                       economic miracle to consolidate their own power at the
                       expense of the serf class they rule). Also, DPRK
                       cannot blackmail PRC because PRC controls the oil
                       pipeline that leads into the DPRK; when DPRK last tried
                       to get snarky with PRC, there was an "accident" that
                       shut down the pipeline for nearly a week. DPRK backed
                       \_ economic propsperity will lead to political reform.
                          The Chinese government today is, believe me or not,
                          a lot more transparent than 15 years ago.  But
                          don't put your bet on full western-style democracy.
                          it has been tried and didn't work.  Another history
                          lesson of the day, China is the first country in
                          East Asia that established a Democratic Republic
                          with 5 branch of government.
                          \_ Despite Sun Yat-sen's idealistic intentions,
                             the Republic of China was never a Western-style
                             democracy; it was an oligarchy, and it quickly
                             devolved into a military dictatorship. It was
                             disaffection with the KMT's stranglehold on the
                             ersatz democracy that fueled Mao & Co.'s rise to
                             power. After the founding of the PRC, democracy
                             became something less than lip service; cf.
                             Gang of Four.
        \_ They just fired a 7th (!!).  I wonder how many NK comrades literally
           starve for every compensatory phallic NK missle launch.
           \_ You do know these missiles are called "Nodong," right?
        \_ Yeah!!! We should all quick picking on poor little NK. After all
           it was Western agression that provoked them into starting the
           Korean War! Get you fcking head out of the sand. NK perfects
           missile technology, it'll be nuclear yellow mornings for you
           libs in the West coasts all the time. And please don't give tell me
           you don't know about the thousands of conventional arty pieces
           pointed at Seoul, ready to level it at the first sign of attack.
           \_ As the only nation on this planet in the history of
              mankind that have used a nuclear weapon against millions
              of civilian lives, and wants to develop "bunker busting
              nukes" against an enemy so weak they can't even fight us
              face to face, we really have no right to tell anyone
              what to do about nuclear weapons. Just remember, what
              goes around, comes around. 75% of the world agrees that
              the US is the biggest threat to world peace. It is time
              you get your head out of the sand and ask "why".
              \_ Why if 75% say so then it must be true! I can see how the
                 sun never sets on the U.S. flag! I can see English being
                 forced on the locals. Yes, sirree! We are threat to world
                 peace with all the food we give away, all the money we
                 give away to those who play ball with us, my gawd, all that
                 "shame" from Hiroshima (100k dead vs. 2mil USGI possibly
                 dying) has lead us to the warpath! You know we wanted
                 to rewrite the Vietnamese lang. just like the French did.
                 You know we wanted to go all the way to Beijing. By golly
                 you have us pegged as conquering squatters we are.
                 \_ The US did go all the way to Beijing in 1900.
                 \_ Nice.  Maybe they think we're a threat because of what we
                    actually HAVE done, largely supporting and funding
                    destabilizing influences the world over.
                    \_ you mean how we've been the most generous and pacifist
                       power the world has ever seen?
                       \_ US is neither most generous (in the percentage of
                          is GDP) nor pacifist.  We've been overthrown
                          democratic governments, founding garallias,
                          and invade soverign nation against UN charter.
                          Exactly what make you think US is a pacifist?
                          \_ Generous: we give more.  We also give a lot more
                             \_ nope.  per pecentage of GDP, US doesn't give
                             in private donations.  Pacifist: name any country
                                \_ private donation doesnt count as Nation's
                                   donation.  good try to spin the way through
                             in the past with any amount of power that didn't
                             try to form an empire.  I can only name one that
                             has more power than the rest of the world
                             combined and barely uses it.  This is a very
                             pacifist and passive country.
                             \_ Do you want to talk about Iran in 1953?
                                Guatamola?  Chili?  and latest Iraq? If you
                                want to talk about neighbors, you want to
                                talk about our invasion against Canada?
                                our advanture with Mexico?  I haven't start
                                talking about all these Indian nations because
                                inferior race doesn't count as humans.
                       \_ And Kenneth Lay was a great philanthropist.
                          \_ Snarky.  Ignorant.
                             \_ He was!  How's that ignorant?
                       \_ More generous and pacifistic than Sweden? Canada?
                          The Netherlands? I think not.
                          \_ I was unaware Sweden, Canada, and the Netherlands
                             were super powers.  I apologise to you and the
                             rest of the motd for not recognising these three
                             great nations for the super powers they are.
                             \_ The phrase was "power" not "super power." But
                                yeah, if you want to claim that the United
                                States is the most generous and pacifistic
                                superpower in the world, that would be hard
                                to argue with, since we are also the only
                                superpower in the world. We are also,
                                incidently, the greediest and most warmongering
                                superpower in the world. But in either case,
                                you aren't saying a whole lot.
                                \_ Split any hairs lately?  Use Power or Super
                                   Power.  No nation with power over their
                                   neighbors has ever been as generous or as
                                   pacifistic as the US.  How's that?  No
                                   nation has ever had the power the US has
                                   now and pray they don't ever because it's
                                   only down hill from here.
                                   \_ Okay, I agree with you on this.
                                   \_ you are sooooooooooo ignorant of history.
                                      google the term "pax sinica."
                                      \_ Hello, the Middle Kingdom invented
                                         gunboat diplomacy before there were
                                         gunboats. Also, if the MK had an
                                         economic dispute (i.e., if you didn't
                                         pay your tribute), they'd invade and
                                         destroy. This would seem to invalidate
                                         the pacifist requirement.
                                         \_ you have no idea what you are
                                            talking about.  tribute is more
                                            similar to trade agreement than
                                            what you think it is.  But since
                                            you are clueless beyond help, I
                                            am not going to elaborate further.
                                            \_ LOLicious! You have nothing to
                                               back up your revisionist view
                                               of the Middle Kingdom as last
                                               benign military force, so you
                                               accuse me of not knowing what
                                               I'm talking about. -10 points
                                               for House ChiCom Troll!
                                      \_ Hey, don't forget the kindness of
                                         the Islamic empire.  As long as
                                         you agreed with them on
                                         everything, they wouldn't murder
                                         everyone and rape all the women!
                                         What elightenment!
                                         \_ hmm... let see... why all the
                                            fucking Jews seeking refuge in
                                            those Islamic empire if they are
                                            being murdered and raped?
                                            \_ 1) Because they had _less_
                                               chance of being raped in Islamic
                                               world than in Xian world; google
                                               Pogroms. 2) Because pp has
                                               overstated the case even more
                                               than revisionist ChiCom Troll.
                          \_ Yeah, each of those countries can airlift
                             people after tsunamis, hurricanes, earthquakes
                             easily. Why they protect thousands of miles
                             of land that's not even theirs!
                             \_ Overseas Development Aid as a percentage of GDP
                                Denmark 0.96%
                                Norway .89
                                Sweden .83
                                Netherlands .81
                                Luxembourg .77
                                Belgium .43
                                Ireland .40
                                France .38
                                Japan .23
                                United States .13
                                \_ Are you including private donations?  No.
                                   I think you'll be surprised at just how
                                   generous Americans really are if you
                                   bothered to check that instead of just
                                   looking at government funded programs, but
                                   Americans are all greedy and selfish and
                                   insular and stupid so don't worry about it.
                                   \_ Give me the facts then, instead of just
                                      spouting your opinion. Including private
                                      donations, who is the most generous?
                                      Cite your source, please.
                                \_ Fighting the war on terror is equivalent
                                   to development aid, because terror impedes
                                   development. The defense cost and the Bush
                                   War in Iraq are greater than any dev aid
                                   we've ever seen, and therefore the US is
                                   the most generous nation on the planet.
                                   God Bless!   -Bush Cheney Lay Skilling #1!
                                \_ what about china?
                                   \_ China is not exactly in the position
                                      to help anyone.  If China can leveage
                                      millions of people out of poverty, it
                                      will be considered an act of huge
                                      favor toward humanintarian cause.
                                \_ Seeing how many super powers on this list: 1
                                \_ screw this percentage of GDP crap, and show
                                   us the real absolute numbers.  Do you think
                                   the needy  will be more grateful for $100
                                   from a rich man than $1 from a pauper?
                                   \_ No, but Jesus taught that the latter
                                      is a bigger gift.
                                      \_ Who?
                                         \_ Jesus Holy-shit Christ.
                                            \_ What?!  I learned on the motd
                                               that His middle name was
                                               "tapdancing".  Is this a
                                               different guy?
                                   \_ Oh come on, he was doing a good job
                                      lying with statistics.  Don't try to
                                      bring hard numbers into it.

                                      \_ How is percentage lying?  I believe
                                         the claim was "most generous"
                                         Generosity is a measure of sacrifice,
                                         not absolute dollar value.
                 \_ The US did go all the way to Beijing in 1900.
              \_ US is the leading superpower. If it wasn't US, it would be
                 Spain, France, Holland, Germany, UK, China, Japan, or someone
                 else. Don't think that w/o the US the power vacuum would be
                 filled with some peaceloving nation. As world powers decline,
                 others rise to take their place. Only the names change.
              \_ Those people should be asked their definition of "World
                 Peace."  I don't see how we have World Peace now, so how
                 can anyone threaten it?  Is Dafur (and other such places)
                 not the automatic biggest threat to world peace, since
                 they keep it from existing in the first place?
                 \_ Darfur doesn't count to these people.  They're brown,
                    they're foreign, they have a different religion/culture/
                    language/everything and worst of all, they're poor so if
                    they're getting slaughtered hey let's just have another
                    UN meeting in a few months to discuss the exact definition
                    of genocide.  Once the UN's Human Rights Commission's
                    sub-committee on the definition of genocide gets back to
                    us next year we can then decide if that definition fits
                    Darfur but only after the government there releases figures
                    telling us how many they're killing per day and why each
                    one was killed.
              \_ We didn't kill *millions* with nuclear weapons, more like
                 300,000.  Not to justify it or anything, just pointing out
                 that you're off by a factor of ten.
                 \_ Agreed.  About the same number of civilians the Japanese
                    killed in the Rape of Nanjing alone.
                 \_ Agreed.  About the same as the number of civilians the
                    Japanese killed in the Rape of Nanjing alone.
        \_ I know where you're coming from, but believe me, Kim Jong Il is not
           the guy you want to defend on this sovereignty issue.
2006/6/22-26 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan] UID:43462 Activity:nil
6/22    http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060622/od_nm/life_sex_dc
        Well, there's your problem!
        \_ This line is great: "Demographers say a rate of 2.1 [children born
           per woman lifetime] is needed to keep a population from declining."
           Reuters apparently needs to invoke the authority of "demographers"
           to confirm simple arithmetic.
           \_ Simple arithmetic would suggest you need 2.0BPW.  The variable
              rates of infant mortality and gender ratio at birth are why you
              ask a demographer.
              \_ Point taken. I think I found it so silly because the
                 fertility rate in Japan is listed in the article as bein
                 1.25, which is obviously a declining population.
                 \_ Theoretically you could have a stable population if the
                    gender ratio at birth was M:F 20:80
                    \_ Or probably even 1:99.
                       \_ Well I meant "given 1.25 BPW".  Let's not go
                          overboard on male fantasies, OK ;-)  -pp
           \_ I keep wondering though, isn't it about the time when we
              should instead start worrying about stabilizing the
              population and adjusting our economies to the new
              demographics? Growing population numbers, even
              without considering the on-going economic growth
              and quality of life improvements, place even
              greater demands upon the natural resources and the
              environment. Do we even know for how long will this
              planet sustain the current living standards for 6B
              people? What about the projected 10B people at the
              end of this century?
              \_ Well, duh.  That's why we're teaching the world about
              \_ Who is this "we" that is going to stabilize the population?
                 Who decides who is allowed to breed or not and how many times?
                 And a quick look at demographics of any wealthy vs. any poor
                 nation (excluding the few being wiped out by AIDS) will show
                 that rich nations have declining birth rates while poor ones
                 have very high rates.  So, the best way to reduce population
                 is to improve the standard of living in poor countries.  As
                 \_ Correlation is not causation.
                    And the rest of this post is beyond silly.
                    \_ If you've got nothing to say, say nothing.  If it is
                       silly then shoot it down in a sentence or two, but I'm
                       sure you haven't done any research or reading on this
                       so not only will you not, you can't.
                 \_ Wow.  Midday margaritas make for bad motd'ing.  I totally
                    conflated your comments with the above poster in replying.
                    Sorry.  Nuked my pointless drivel.  However, the silver
                    bullet is not simply wealth (ergo the correlation/causation)
                    but education (which comes along with higher SoL).
                    \_ That's fine.  I'll agree education = higher SOL but
                       that will not come without the wealth to support it
                       which requires a real economy, not one based on charity.
                 soon as we stop flooding them with money, they'll have a
                 chance to form real economies with real products and real
                 workers and engage in trade with other countries.  Right now
                 the West has destroyed the ability of poor nations to grow
                 healthy economies instead of "Charity Based Economies" where
                 there is a disincentive for the local population to do
                 anything productive.
              \_ Blasphemy! Every new child is a gift. "Be fruitful..."
                 Eventually people will fight each other or starve and
                 it will be a happy equilibrium. The world can physically
                 support many more. We must keep going until it's literally
                 impossible to support more. After all, whose life would you
                 deny, just to make your life better? Even bringing up
                 population control shows that you are sick.
2006/6/19-24 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan, Computer/SW] UID:43435 Activity:nil
6/19    O Lazy Web, research for me: a Japanese company plans to market a
        SoundBug-based head-sound apparatus. Why wouldn't reverberating your
        skull slosh your brain around like a concussion?
        \_ without searching the web, I'd guess this has something to do with
           the frequency of typical sound to be reproduced is
           nowhere near the resonant frequency of a brain inside the skull.
           Not to mention the minimal amplitude.
        \_ So this SoundBug thing... does it actually use less power and sound
           better than a portable speaker the same size?
2006/6/12-15 [Reference/History/WW2/Japan, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan] UID:43362 Activity:nil
6/12    Has anyone heard of Mangajin magazine? It was around from 1991
        to 1997-ish, and had Japanese manga with detailed translations,
        plus various articles on Japanese culture. I'm looking for old
        issues (they occasionally pop up on ebay) and wondered if any
        sodan had some they'd be willing to part with. -bz
        \_ I've read it, but I only ever bought one issue, and I'm
           pretty sure it's been thrown out by now.  Sorry. -jrleek
2006/6/12 [Reference/History/WW2/Japan, Recreation/Dating, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan] UID:43358 Activity:nil
6/12    http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060612/od_nm/japan_robber_dc
        Proof that little yellow men are lousy robbers:
2006/5/20-28 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan, Reference/History/WW2/Japan] UID:43129 Activity:nil
5/20    Japanese Balloon bombs against the US
        \_ So?  Decades-old news?
           \_ It's called history.
              \_ So?  You don't see people posting articles about
                 the Civil War to the motd.
        \_ If you think that's interesting, look up the sub-launched air
           raids against the West Coast.  -John
           \_ How many American civilians did the Japs kill? Not that many
              compared to what we did to them. Now let me ask you, what about
              your people, John? The Swiss kept Nazi money safe for Nazi
              members many who fled to safe havens in South America. The
              Swiss people are mercenaries. You just need to give them lots
              of money and they'll do whatever it is you want them to do,
              without any consideration to moral values. Heil Nazi Loving
              Shameless Swiss John, and fuck the Swiss.
              \_ The Swiss are the descendants of the Templars, who brought
                 them the modern banking system.
              \_ This kind of stupidity makes me wonder why I bother with
                 the motd anymore.
                 \_ I was starting to worry about my troll farm since I
                    stopped baiting chicom troll and heil cherman john guy.
                    I'm glad at least their legacy lives on.  -John
              \_ Is it really so hard to avoid using racial slurs?
                 Is "Japanese" that hard to type?  Thanks.
                 \_ It's amusing how this troll seems to be guilty of many
                    of the attitudes that he ascribes to John.
2006/1/26-29 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan] UID:41552 Activity:moderate
1/26    Why the heck is a Japanese Geisha played by Chinese women?
        It's obvious she doesn't look Japanese. What are the whities
        insinuating, that all Asians look alike? Fucking racist whities.
                                        -pissed off Asian Man
        \_ http://www.alllooksame.com
        \_ todd solondz recently had a movie with a white girl played
           by a black girl. its called drama. you find an actor to play
           the part.
        \_ Yeah.  All asian characters should be played by Puerto Ricans
           and Russians, like in the King and I.
        \_ Ob. Jonathan Pryce and Miss Saigon.
        \_ Assuming you are not a troll, this is more about business
           than race. There simply are no big name stars from Japan
           who could have carried such a major movie. BTW, where is
           it written that a chinese person can't play a japanese
           role and visa versa?  This is not quite the same stretch
           as, say picking Brad Pit over Denzel Washington for the
           part of Thurgood Marshall.
        \_ What annoyed me more were the liberties taken with the depiction
           of geisha, liberties that are inexcuseable for a movie that
           is supposed to be founded in some approximation of historical
           accuracy.  For as much as they spent on the movie, you'd think
           they could get the geisha part right, since it is a movie about
           a geisha's life.  I could have dealt with the horrible accents,
           the "doesn't look like a typical Japanese woman", and the bits
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           related to using non-Japanese actors to portray Japanese.  After
           all, who here can tell the difference between Cockney, London,
           and Received British accents and if they're done right by
           non-British actors?  There is no intrinsic reason why the Chinese
           \_ <raising my hand sheepishly> --scotsman
              \_ Well, you're special.  I bet most don't even know that there
                 is a difference.  --Jon
           actors in the film (or actresses if you prefer) could not have
           filled the roles, but again, for a budget of 85 million, you'd
           think they could have gotten the accents right.
           think they could have gotten the accents right.  --Jon
           \_ Well, how about a Chinese Macbeth?  And if that's ok, how
              about a white one?
              \_ I don't see anything wrong w/ a Chinese MacBeth or
                 Hamlet. Certainly some of the realism is lost w/
                 a non-Scottish or Danish star, but the whole point
                 of theater is wilful suspension of disbelief.
                 \_ How about a white Macbeth then?
                    \_ MacBeth was white (Scottish) correct? That is
                       perfectly acceptable as well.
                       \_ How about a white Othello?
                              \- you know OLIVER was the STANDARD OTHELLO.
                                 DWASHINGTON has been in lots of Shakespeare.
                                 \_ Olivier was--what--40 years ago.  I know
                                    DWashington can be a hmmm Don Pedro.
                                    Can CYFat be hired to play an Othello
                                    today (not some Asian adaptation, but the
                                    Moor himself)?  Can MGibson?   I wonder
                                    if Sir Lawrence would have been allowed to
                                    play Othello today.
                                         \- DWASHINGTON has been in more
                                            Shakespeare than ADONOTHING.
                                    \_ I think that CYFAT could play Othello,
                                       but I doubt that MGIBSON could. It is
                                       one of those roles that, in modern
                                       times, as become associated w/ a non-
                                       white actor even though when it was
                                       original performed a white actor would
                                       have played Othello. We also forget
                                       that original Desdemona would have
                                       been played by a young boy, which is
                                       unimaginable today, except perhaps in
                                       very limited local circumstances.
                          \_ I had a friend who was white who used to use
                             one of Othello's speeches for auditions.  He
                             would never be cast in the role, but he could
                             play the shit out of the soliloquies. --scotsman
                          \_ This is akin to the example re Justice Marshall
                             that I gave above. Some roles are so linked to
                             a particular "race" that it is difficult for
                             others to play that part. Re Othello, iirc
                             he was a "moor" not "black", therefore it is
                             conceivable that someone like BKINGLSEY could
                             play him.
                             \_ Othello was indeed Moorish, and not all Moors
                                have dark skin.  However, Iago refers to him
                                as "black Othello" (II.iii); and Othello says
                                himself, "Haply, for I am black" (III.iii).
                                There is quite some debate over what this
                                means, along with the many other "black"
                                references throughout the play.  During the
                                Renaissance, unlike now, being "black" meant
                                that any of your features (such as hair or
                                eyes) were dark, not just skin.
                                -- dlong (!= pp)
                             \_ Do you think there are black Hamlets?  Do
                                you think there are white Othellos?  Today?
                                \_ Do you think there aren't?
                                \_ I have not recently seen a black Hamlet,
                                   but I don't really have a problem w/ a
                                   Black or Asian Hamlet as long as the
                                   character is well played. I think that
                                   the "race" of the actor has to match
                                   the "race" of the character in very few
                                   cases (ex. a white guy could never
                                   portray Ben Sisko, just like a black
                                   guy couldn't portray Robert E. Lee)
                                   \_ Well, how about the white Othello?  Do
                                      you think one could be casted today?
                                      \_ In a major motion picture, a white
                                         Othello probably would not work,
                                         unless they made Desedmona and Iago
                                         black or asian or something, in
                                         order to keep the tension up.
                                         I think that in a theater produc-
                                         tion a white Othello could work.
                                         \_ Patrick Stewart played Othello
                                            a few years back in a mostly Af-Am
                                            \_ Really? Must have missed it.
                                               Is it any good (ie worth
                                               \_ It was a stage production.
                                                  Don't know if there's a film
              \_ Michael Clarke Duncan played the Kingpin in Daredevil.  Sure
                 he's a big black man instead of a big white guy, but he did
                 fill the role and kept true to the comic book character.  If
                 you can fill the role, great.  If not, you (or your director
                 or producer/etc) are not doing a good job.  It says something
                 when I feel Tom Cruise's Meiji era movie did a better job
                 depicting Japanese life than this one.  --Jon
           \_ Japanese TV and movie used to dominate East Asia with big stars
              like Yamaguchi Momoe and Tanaka Yuuko.  Don't know what caused
              the decline.
           related to using non-Japanese actors to portray Japanese if they
           had only gotten done an otherwise accurate depiction of a geisha's
           life.  After all, who here can tell the difference between
           Cockney, London, and Received British accents and if they're
           done right by non-British actors?  There is no intrinsic reason
           why the Chinese actors in the film (or actresses if you prefer)
           could not have filled the roles, but again, for a budget of 85
           million, you'd think they could have gotten the accents right.
           \_ Well, how about a Chinese Macbeth?  And if that's ok, how
              about a white one?  \_ I don't see anything wrong w/ a Chinese
              MacBeth or
                 Hamlet. Certainly some of the realism is lost w/ a
                 non-Scottish or Danish star, but the whole point of theater
                 is wilful suspension of disbelief.  \_ How about a white
                 Macbeth then?
                    \_ MacBeth was white (Scottish) correct? That is
                       perfectly acceptable as well.  \_ How about a white
           \_ Japanese TV and movie used to dominate Asia with big stars
              Yamaguchi Momoe and Tanaka Yuko.  Don't know what caused the
>>>>>>> Your Changes Above
              \_ Anime. Seriously.
        \_ What annoyed me more were the liberties taken with the depiction
           of geisha, liberties that are inexcuseable for a movie that
           is supposed to be founded in some approximation of historical
           accuracy.  For as much as they spent on the movie, you'd think
           they could get the geisha part right, since it is a movie about
           a geisha's life.  I could have dealt with the horrible accents,
           the "doesn't look like a typical Japanese woman", and the bits
           related to using non-Japanese actors to portray Japanese.  After
           all, who here can tell the difference between Cockney, London,
           and Received British accents and if they're done right by
           non-British actors?  There is no intrinsic reason why the Chinese
           \_ <raising my hand sheepishly> --scotsman
              \_ Well, you're special.  I bet most don't even know that there
                 is a difference.  --Jon
           actors in the film (or actresses if you prefer) could not have
           filled the roles, but again, for a budget of 85 million, you'd
           think they could have gotten the accents right.  --Jon
           \_ Arthur Golden had never visited Japan before writing the book.
              If you're looking to it as an authoritative depiction of what
              Japanese culture or Geishas are like, I suggest googling for
              "Karl May".  -John
              \_ Mineko Iwasaki
                 \_ Touche.  Nonetheless, random gaijin, a couple of interview
                    sessions with a representative of a centuries-old culture
                    and tradition = good basis for authoritative portrayal?
                    Hint:  No.  -John
           \_ Examples, Jon?  (of stuff they got wrong)
           \_ Actually I read about the accents, and the director supposedly
              wanted all of the major actresses to sound the same and the
              only way to do that was to get them to speak in the same bad
           \_ My friend wrote a book on Geisha which I found much more
              accurate and well-researched than the silly and sensational
              book this movie was based on:
2006/1/11-13 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan] UID:41349 Activity:high
1/11    http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060111/od_nm/naked_dc
        Japanese people are weird, just weird.
        \_ Japanese people do a lot of weird things, yes.  Liking to look at
           naked chicks isn't one of them.  I tend to think that a country
           that considers it to be a national crisis when a boob gets shown
           on TV during a sporting event is far weirder.
           \_ Kancho.  'nuff said.
        \_ But the Canadians who started it aren't?
        \_ Looking at the same people stripping every day for several years
           isn't that interesting.
           \_ agree... used to look at these same people for news every day.
        \_ The Russians were doing strip tease news casts 15+ years ago.
        \_ "While we have been in Tokyo, people have been very surprised to
           see us with no tops on, but they're very happy and interested in
           talking to us."  She should come to Soda and see how happy and
           interested students are in talking to her.
           \_ one big difference is that soda students have no money.
              no money no honey.
2006/1/4-6 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan, Reference/History/WW2/Japan] UID:41235 Activity:low
12/4    This is awful, just awful. I have no idea how I could fit in:
        \_ That's so cool.
        \_ I like the bottle of Pocart? Sweat.
           \_ "Pocari Sweat".  You can find it in some Asian markets.
        \_ Can you imagine a fire or earthquake in a place like this?
           \_ Yes. If it's a fire, you get teriaki Japanese. If it's
              an earthquake, you get raw Japanese sushi.
              \_ I may be on fire, but I will not be for long. You, however,
                 will remain an idiot.
        \_ Similar, capsule homes, not hotels:
        \_ http://gojapan.about.com/cs/accommodation/a/tokyocapsule3.htm
           "No female guests" hahaha
           \_ sigh, such a gender gap in Japan :P
        \_ I've stayed at a similar capsule hotel in Shibuya.
        \_ I've actually stayed at a similar capsule hotel in Shibuya.
           It was surprisingly comfortable. - ciyer (6ft. tall)
           \_ I bet they're terribly cozy.
2005/12/23-28 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan] UID:41126 Activity:moderate
12/22   http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4552010.stm
        The Japanese are saying "we're fucked because our population is
        decrease, let's create more babies." Question. Are there
        examples of countries that thrive economically AND still
        have a shrinking population? Must a country gain population
        before thriving economically?
        \_ Can you ask questions without using racial slurs?
           \_ Nipper is a term for a young japanese person.
              \_ A derogatory term, maybe.  It's not even the term the OP
        \_ I don't see why not.  It's just that one component of growth
           becomes negative.  Japan is doing ok these days.
        \_ I don't know... but if the economy shrink by 1% and the population
           drop by 3%, it would be a net economy expansion, no?
           \_ So if we killed off 90% of the population but only lost 80%
              productivity, this would be a net economy expansion, yes?  You
              got into Berkeley?
                \_ (s)he got into soda
2005/11/19-21 [Reference/History/WW2/Japan, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan] UID:40655 Activity:nil
11/18   Ugly images of Chinese and Koreans become best sellers in Japan.
        http://csua.org/u/e1f [nyt]
2005/11/7-8 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/China, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea] UID:40471 Activity:nil
11/7    The Three Kingdoms comic.  Stupid in-jokes about the Romance of
        the Three Kingdoms.  In English, Japanese, Chinese, Korean, and,
        what is that, Cambodian?
        \_Close to Khmer...it's Thai. -scottyg
2005/9/30-10/3 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan, Reference/History/WW2/Japan] UID:39933 Activity:nil
9/30    Anyone here from Japan?  How did Japan manage to have such low birth
        rates while contraceptive pills were not approved until recently?  Are
        Japanese condoms a lot more effective, or are there a lot more
        abortion, or is it really true that people have a lot less sex because
        men work long hours?
        \_ it is more acceptable in Japan to have an abortion than
           to use any sort of birth control.
        \_ The last one doesn't seem relevant, at least for married people.
           You only have to have sex once a year to have a ridiculously high
           \_ Um, no.
        \_ Yes.
        \_ One word: bukake
           \_ http://csua.org/u/dkn
        \_ This while having the world's highest chlamydia infection rate.
           \_ Why does it hurt when I pee?
              Why does it hurt when I pee?
              I don't want no doctor
              To stick no needle in me
              Why does it hurt when I pee?
              I got it from the toilet seat
              I got it from the toilet seat
              It jumped right up
              'n' grabbed my meat
              Got it from the toilet seat
              My balls feel like a pair of maracas
              My balls feel like a pair of maracas
              Oh God I probably got the
              My balls feel like a pair of maracas
              Why does it
              Why does it
              Why does it
              Why does it hurt...when I
        \_ Japan is way down the chart for the amount of sex they have.
        \_ Sex education not based on abstinence, higher rates of male
           sterility, much more emphasis on condoms. Also, yes, legalized
           abortion (although this is still somewhat stygmatized); see
           http://csua.org/u/dko (Stanford article on abortion in Japan 1996).
        \_ An astounding number of abortions.
        \_ Mostly it's women deciding not to have kids and not get married.
           Given the perceived and actual lives of married Japanese women,
           it's understandable.
           \_ What's the difference between the perceived and the actual?
        \_ The most sex crazed asian country in terms of amount of sex
           people have is my fatherland Taiwan.
2005/9/28-30 [Recreation/Dating, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan] UID:39917 Activity:kinda low
9/28    Japanese scientists take first photos of a giant squid:
        http://tinyurl.com/bvbur (reuters.com)
        \_ So two days ago.
        \_ cool.  I bet Japanese just want to eat them.
        \_ I bet this breakthrough will usher a whole new era in the tentacle
           porn genre.
           \_ Tentacle porn genre??
              \_ For the love of god, somebody get this boy some hentai
           \_ Or stranger sex accidents than ever before:
2005/9/17-18 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan, Politics/Foreign/Europe] UID:39727 Activity:low
9/17    "A Japanese woman called in the police after a hitman she paid to
         kill her lover's wife failed to carry out the job."
        \_ Wow.  "Move over Germany!"
           \_ What the hell does this have anything to do with Germany?
              \_ Someone was claiming the Germans had the lock on odd, bizarrely
                 stupid behavior.
              \_ They're both defeated nations and breed insecurity within.
                 For example Siegfried and Roy were born from former Nazis
                 and after the defeat they became depressed drunkard, and
                 raised up psychologically fucked up gay/lesbian/shit eating
                 German children. Ditto with the Japanese.
                 \_ Wow, you think fucked up shit comes from only these two
                    nations, huh?
                    \_ Wow BRILLIANT where/how did you find these links?
        \_ In the same vein: http://csua.org/u/df2
2005/8/30-31 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan, Reference/History/WW2/Japan] UID:39359 Activity:nil
8/30    "... the parliament designated the World War II hymn 'Kimigayo' as the
        national anthem in 1999 ... same one sung as the Imperial Army set
        forth from Japan ... strongly backed by Shintaro Ishihara, the governor
        of Tokyo and an outspoken nationalist, as a way to strengthen classroom
        ... The school board's mandatory rule has had a visible effect. At
        graduation ceremonies in 2004, 198 teachers refused to stand. After a
        series of fines and disciplinary actions, Nezu and nine other teachers
        were the only protesters this year."
        http://csua.org/u/d71 (Wash Post)
2005/8/18-20 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan, Reference/History/WW2/Japan] UID:39160 Activity:nil
8/18    Japan travel agency to offer trips to space:
        It says "...... zero gravity tour, which will take participants to an
        altitude of 100 km for a relatively inexpensive 11 million yen."
        Does anyone remember at what altitude it is considered "space"?  11M
        yen (~$100k) seems awfully cheap for that.
        \_ 100km is the generally agreed upon lower boundary of space.  A brief
           suborbital flight seems doable for 11MY.  Remember that the German
           V2 rockets lifted 1000kg into space back in the 1940's.
2005/7/30-31 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush, Politics/Domestic/Crime, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan] UID:38886 Activity:high
7/29    To the Japanese imperialist/asian nationalist troll (I'm so proud that
        my troll farm finally has a little friend for chicom troll, I was
        getting worried):  They lost.  -John
        \_ yeah and you thick skinned white men still don't get why you're
           bombed and attacked and hated and jihad'ed and so on so forth.
           \_ Here, let me take a stab at this: US is (for the time being at
              least) the top dog in the geopolitical dog pile, and also
              supports Israel.  If you think it has anything to do with 'lack
              of sensitivity' then I have to wonder what deluded idyllic
              closet *you* came out of.  Grow up, son -- the world doesn't
              revolve around your hurt feelings.
           \_ Ah, ok, now we're getting somewhere, I wasn't sure what your
              point was, exactly.  So you are equating a racist, imperialistic
              regime's expansionist policies based on perceived American
              aggression with the justified indiscriminate violence perpetrated
              against civilians by a few ideologically exploited thugs who
              are just as wont to murder their own "people" and oppress
              infidels and women as a response to repeated supposed slights
              committed against a primitive, barbaric "culture" that has never
              undergone a renaissance, never ever consider a tiny measure of
              introspection about why it is economically and socially failing?
              You know, I'm the first to try and look for and analyze faults
              in my own society's internal and international workings-as I've
              stated before, maybe this makes me a bit naive.  You, on the
              other hand, are a cranky, ill-educated cretin.  Oh, and I'll make
              sure to inform Condi about the "white men" thing.  I'm sure it
              sounded good on a flyer on Sproul plaza.  -John
2005/6/27-28 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan] UID:38318 Activity:high
6/27    God, I really envy the Japs. Why don't we have something like this?
        \_ Japan has a much higher population density?
           \_ You can't compare Japan to the US; you should compare to
              California, or the eastern seaboard.  Obviously you can't
              support bullet rail in Wyoming, but California has plenty of
              population density and travel to do so.  -tom
              \_ Japan also doesn't have the kinds of politics the US does.
                 http://tinyurl.com/7myk2 -- I recall midwesthsr being
                 throttled by every 2-bit politician wanting a stop in his
                 town in return for voting for it, sort of like the Washington
                 airport expressway.  By the way, the pic on that tinyurl link
                 is of a Zurich commuter train--very un-high speed.  -John
              \_ Japan is not at all comparable to California.  Try flying
                 above the CA coast and looking down vs. the same in Japan.
                 Japan is smaller than CA and 3.5x the population.
              \_ Hmmm, I wonder how a bullet train from SF to LA would do?
                 \_ There is a proposal for it, which of course the airlines
                    are fighting tooth and nail.  They killed a similar
                    project in Texas.  I think a high-speed rail connection
                    between SF and LA, with downtown embarcation, would
                    be heavily used.  -tom
                    \_ As someone who hates airports and flying with a passion,
                       I think this country could use more high speed rail.
                         -- ilyas
                       \_ Who do you expect to pay for the infrastructure to
                          build this high speed rail, oh libertarian?
                          \_ Charitable donations from Republicans, of course.
                             Big corporations rip off average consumers so
                             that they can make big donations to the poor.
                             All heil Waltons, Bushs, and Gates   -Libertarian
                 \_ "The train is expected to make the 360 mile trip between
                    Tokyo and Aomori --about the distance between San Fran-
                    cisco and Los Angeles -- within three hours ..."
              \_ Population density:
                 San Francisco:  16,632 per sq. mi.
                   Los Angeles:   7,990 per sq. mi.
                         Tokyo:  33,617 per sq. mi.
                 \_ California is not as populus as Japan, but it is as
                    populus as many places which have extensive rail networks.
                    \_ Whatever.  My numbers were for cities.  Also, high-speed
                       rail needs local city transportation as well, else no
                       one will ride if they can't get the last 1-5 miles.
                       \_ Yeah, that is why no one is willing to fly
                       \_ Yeah, that is why no one is willing to fly in
                          airplanes. They can't get out of the airport.
                          \_ I remember an article in the SFCron a few
                             years ago that driving to LA from SF was
                             superior to flying.  It took less time, and
                             you had a car when you got there.
           \_ Grammatical question for you. How do you know when to say
              "Japan has much higher population" and "Japan has A much higher
              population"? Ditto with "the" and others.
              \_ Yermom has rabies.
                 Yermom has a cold.
                 Yermom has the mumps.
                 There are general rules, but sometimes you just have to
                 \_ I seem to remember that when I was a kid people used to
                    say "the Ukraine", but now the "the" has disappeared.
                    What's that about?  Any Ukrainians want to comment?
                    \_ I think the difference is that now Ukraine is a
                       country, rather than an area of Russia.  On the
                       other hand, I still say, "the Ukraine."  Maybe it
                       should be Ukrania?
              \_ Plural vs. singular. In this case "Japan has higher
                 population density" would be incorrect; "population density"
                 is singular and requires the "a". Population is also properly
                 singular. Unless it's the verb form.

        \_ Yes, let's envy those whom we deride with racial slurs!
                          \_ I remember an article in the SFCron a few
                             years ago that driving to LA from SF was
                             superior to flying.  It took less time, and
                             you had a car when you got there.
                             \- i am surprised SF-LA train proposals have
                                found any "traction" at all [that really
                                was unintentional]. i am not sure what
                                problem it solves. it seems to me the only
                                people it is good for is people near the LA
                                terminus wo want to come to downtown SF for
                                a few days. how much would a SF<->LA fast
                                train ticket cost ... actual cost [without
                                weird cross subsidies] and what would the
                                out of pocket ticket price?
                                \_ The problem it solves is that flying is
                                   a pain in the ass.  Taking the train is
                                   fun.  -tom
                                   \- do you actually think that is a
                                      serious answer? a fun choo-choo
                                      train != multi-billion dollar rail
                                      project. is a fast train more fun
                                      than the Coast Starlight? you might
                                      take a trian for fun, but that isnt
                                      why you build one.
                                      \_ Actually, yeah.  I've both
                flown from Seoul to Pusan (Korea), and taken the new
                bullet train.  The train is superior.  It's more
                comfortable (wieght is not such an issue), runs more
                often, and you don't have to hang around the station for
                an hour and a half before hand. Of course, that doesn't
                mean it will be so nice here, but.. -jrleek
        \_ Yes, let's envy those whom we deride with racial slurs!  Is it
           so hard to type out "Japanese"?
2005/6/24-26 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan, Reference/History/WW2/Japan] UID:38290 Activity:high
6/24    pictures of paintings by Korean school children about
        how much they are displeased with Japan.
        http://uqmgp.hp.infoseek.co.jp - danh
        \_ "the government ordered the public schools to tell the students the
           Korean view without actually backing it up."  Doesn't this sound
           like how communist governments control the views of their youths?
           \_ I don't know, Japan seems to be doing the same thing with
              this issue, and others.
              \_ They're either incredibly sheltered or incredibly stupid
                 about the whole WWII thing.  Those new textbooks don't really
                 help, nor does half of E. Asia flogging a dead horse. -John
                 \_ Recently, Japan start to expand its territorial water,
                    which pissed off both Korea and China.  There were
                    navy vessle stand off between Korean and Japan about
                    a month ago.  China, by comparison, official reaction
                    has been much restrained.  Having said that, if Japan
                    continue its current path, it will repeat its imperial
                    ambition... and this time, USA will support it.
                    \_ Hahahaha.
        \_ All these while the Japanese start to love Korea because of its
           heart-touching TV dramas in recent years.
2005/6/1-3 [Transportation/Car, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan] UID:37926 Activity:nil
6/1     Question on home ownership. Let's say you buy flood, fire,
        earthquake, and land-slide insurance. Then a foreign unidentified
        object enters the atmosphere and creates a big crater in your home
        making it worthless. Are you covered by anyone, like the government?
        Secondly, suppose you decide not to get one of the insurance, since
        it costs too much to buy everything, and that particular disaster
        strikes making your land totally worthless. Are you covered? Or are
        you completely screwed? How about the case where they suddenly
        find carcinogeous, radio-active material in your backyard? Who/what
        covers these things?
        \_ Are you in a swing state in an election year?  If so, notify the
           federal government at once, and they will buy you a new house, and
           give you a gold-plated flying saucer for your trouble.
        \_ I seem to recall a Warner Bros cartoon about just this sort of
           thing. The policy fine print didn't cover, for instance, injury
           from guided missiles. -- ulysses
           \_ Do they still broadcast American cartoons, or is it pretty much
              Japanized? Last time I watched cartoon a year ago it was mostly
              Japanese anime. I'm not sure if I learned anything useful
              from Pokemon and Digimon. PIKA! PIKA! PIKACHU!
              \_ I learned that it's better for pokemon to be friends, and that
                 Team Rocket blasted off again.
        \_ If you ever get into a situation involving strange temporal
           rifts (ala Donnie Darko) then you're covered.
        \_ #1 and #2: your insurance company won't pay you, but you may be able
           to get some kind of disaster aid.  #3: your insurance company won't
           pay you, but you can probably sue the govt. or some company to get
        \_ You can sue God and get compensated in your next life.
        \_ Ebay the "foreign object".  Substances from "foreign objects"
           that enter the atmosphere are in pretty high demand from shadowy
           groups seeking to create nefarious objects of evil from them.  Such
           as Happy Fun Ball.  Warning: do not taunt Happy Fun Ball.  -John
2005/5/10-12 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/China, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan] UID:37610 Activity:low
5/10    Today's title page engrish is pretty good:
        \_ Six years of living in Japan, and I'm still astounded at how
           clueless Japanese people are about inherent racism. --erikred
           \_ "What do you mean?  There's no racism in Korea!" --most
              Koreans. (jrleek)
           \_ There was a brand of toothpaste in Asia called Blackman or
              Blackie toothpaste that had a picture of a black dude on it
              with a big white smile.
              \_ I used to use it exclusively when I was a kid in Hong Kong.
                 The brand name used to be Darkie and the Chinese name was, and
                 still is, "Black People's Toothpaste".  Then Colgate bought
                 the brand and renamed it Darlie and changed the logo.  The
                 idea was that most Hong Kong people had an impression that
                 black people's teeth look very white (probably because of the
                 contrast to the skin color), so if you want your teeth to look
                 like black people's, you'd better use Black People's
                 Toothpaste.  It was very popular because of the brandname.
                 You need to understand that it was not racism against
                 Africans.  I'd think of it as "positive racism", if there's
                 such a thing.
                 \_ No we don't need to understand that.  To say that ignorance
                    of this sort is not grounded in racism is to misunderstand
                    \_ Okay, at least please don't think that this is racism
                       *against* Africans in this case.
                       \_ Okay, raised with a cultural icon like that, what
                          is the immediate gut response when meeting a black
                          man for the first time?  It's as racist as the
                          portrayal of Chinese in Hollywood for decades.
                          \_ I checked out his teeth.  Yeah, it's funny.
                             \_ See, racism is about disrespect of a person or
                                people because they don't look like the people
                                around you.  It doesn't have to be "negative"
                                to be hurtful.  If it puts up a wall or causes
                                objectification when you interact with someone,
                                it's something to fight against.
                    \_ BTW, some other common impression in HK on black people
                       are "black people are better at jazz, rap and other
                       rhythm-centric music forms" and "black people are better
                       at sports that need either explosive power and very
                       short endurance (100m), or very long endurance
                       (marathon)".  On the other hand, the common impression
                       among Americans that "black people have big penes"
                       wasn't widespread in HK.
                       among Americans that "black men have big penes" wasn't
                       widespread in HK.
                       \_ OTOH, the sterotype of black men having larger
                          genitalia is alive and well in Japan. --erikred
           \_ If it's any comfort, there's also a brand of toothpaste in Taiwan
              called Whiteman. I have a tube of it.
        \_ Is that condom?
           \_ yes
2005/4/28 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan, Politics/Foreign/Asia/China] UID:37393 Activity:kinda low
4/28    "In FY04 the U. S. Government spent $322 Billion of your money on
         interest payments* to the holders of the National Debt. Compare that
         to NASA at $15 Billion, Education at $61 Billion, and Department of
         Transportation at $56 Billion."
        So who are the "holders of the National Debt."? Bankers?
        \_ Central banks of other countries (Japan, China, ...)?
            \_ What is the interest rate? I mean, it sounds to me like it's
               worth investing your money at banks that lend to U.S.
               \_ Mo' money, mo' money, mo' money!
               \_ Not very high interest.  I think new T-bills are around 4.3%.
               \_ one of the lowest you can get. but sure it is a lot safer
                  to finance the US govt. as opposed that of some other country
                  like Argentina..
        \_ And how much more was borrowed, leading to larger interest payments
           the next year?  Isn't borrowing to pay for your interest a sign
           that you're on the verge of bankruptcy?
           \_ no.
        \_ Heh, the US should declare bankruptcy and be absolved of all debt.
        \_ Read "Interface" by Neal Stephenson
         \_ Well by a pen name.  And that book really feels like it is missing
            about 100 pages in the middle.
2005/4/22-25 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/China, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan] UID:37322 Activity:very high
4/22    I haven't read much on the news, what do the Koreans think about
        the current situation between China and Japan?
        \_ Aren't they mad about that book that got approved that took out
           references to comfort women?
        \_ The Koreans are pretty mad about the books as well, but they
          haven't attacked anything Japanese over it.  (2 people cut off
          fingers and one guy lit himself on fire)  The protests over
          comfort women in front of the Japanese embassy are practically
          standard by now.  The Koreans are also mad because one of the
          new text books claims Dokdo, a tiny pair of Korean held
          islands, is illegally occupied by the Koreans. -jrleek
          \_ Wow, there's still arguments over that island?  I remember
             learning about it when I was a kid.  Koreans actually have a song
             that proclaims how Dokdo belongs to Korea.
             \_ Yeah.  My wife can sing that song. "Dokdo-nun oori ddang!"
                I reserve judgement a bit, because I've never heard the
                Japanese side of the story, but my understanding is that
                the only time the Japanese ever controlled the island was
                1905-1945.  Since Korea was occupied by Japan in 1906, I
                don't really think that counts. -jrleek
           \_ This is pretty correct, but those who cut off their fingers did
              so because of Dokdo, not because of the history books.  Also,
              I think there's generally a lot more anger in China and Korea
              than over just the issue of sex slavery; there were a whole slew
              of war atrocities commited by imperialist Japan--sex slavery
              simply appears to be either the only one well vocalized or the
              only one covered by the media.
              \_ You're right, although I kinda see those as related since
                 a lot of the Dokdo hubbub is over the textbooks, but
                 there's also "Takeshima Day" which pissed off a lot of
                 Koreans.  As for the comfort women, I think they get
                 covered the most because some of them are still alive
                 (80, I think) and actively protesting.  Most war
                 atrocities result in dead people. Dead people are very
                 poor at active protesting. -jrleek
        \_ My personal opinion is that the best way to resolve the
           situation would be for Japan to revise it's text books, and for
           China to pay for the repairs to the Japanese embassy.  I don't
           really think Japan has to continue to atone for it's past sins,
           but it shouldn't try to deny them either.  However, by allowing
           it's citizens to riot and damage the Japanese embassy, China
           was in direct violation of it's signed treaties. -jrleek
           \_ The problem is that 1) The "honor" thing is very important in
              Japanese culture than in mordern Chinese and western cultures
           \_ The problem is that 1) The "honor" thing is more important in
           \_ FYI it's "its" not "it's" in the context you're using it.
           \_ The problems are that 1) The "honor" thing is more important in
              Japanese culture than in mordern Chinese and western culture
              (don't know about Korean), 2) The monarchy is a continuation of
              the one in the past.  So it's very hard to make Japan admin they
              were evil.
              \_ 3) Is Chinese your first language?
                 \_ Yes.  Your point?
                    \_ Perhaps your opinion might be biased?  In any case,
                       you stereotype of the Japanese is unfortunate.
                       \_ But in this situation probably pretty accurate, at
                          least  relating to this situation.  Putting aside
                          the whole Yasukuni thing (as there's at least _some_
                          point to it),  what other reasons could you think
                          of for Japanese schools not wanting to adopt a text-
                          book which owns up to prettty hideous war crimes?
                          (and don't start with "the-US-did-this, the-other-
                          colonial-powers-did-that, there's (a) an order of
                          magnitude of difference, and (b) most western
                          countries have or are coming around to admitting
                          having caused some bad shit.  I'm not saying the
                          Chinese approach is anything less than reprehensibly
                          opportunistic, but there's sure a lot of potential
                          for Japan to take the moral high ground.  -John
                          \_ So how do the Germans deal with their history
                             textbook issues?  How is WWII presented in
                             German schools?
                             \_ "We really really fucked up and did lots of
                                bad shit and we have to make sure that it
                                never happens again".  Although the situation
                                with them is a bit different, as the Japanese
                                committed widespread wanton brutality, not
                                really genocide per se.  And yes there is a
                                lot of resistance to the constant guilt thing
                                in Germany.  -John
                    \_ BTW, your English could still use a bit of work.
           \_ When this thing is eventually settled, China WILL pay
              for the damage to Japanese properties. Whether Japan
              will alter the text book or not, it remains to be see
              (highly unlikely).
              \_ nah, I doubt China will pay a cent.
                 \_ what are you willing to bet? -chiry
                 \_ Didn't the Chinese govt pay for the damaged US embassy?
                    Of course, that doesn't compare to the laser guided
                    bomb that landed on the Chinese embassy.
                    \_ They need to pay for that bomb.
                    \_ yea, but US is scary country.  PRC always try
                       to avoid conflict with US.  Also, US didn't
                       murder millions of Chinese civilians, or use
                       them for medical experiments.
                       \_ No, the PRC has done enough of this themselves.
                          Also, see recent stories on Uighurs.
                          \_ Ask people in PRC, and they will say GLP
                             and GPCR sucked.  They will also say the
                             last quarter century of economic reform
                             and prosperity was good.  What's your
                             \_ That the PRC is manipulating medium-grade
                                anger over a text-book written by Right
                                Wingers in a foreign country to push for
                                greater bargaining power over oil fields in
                                ambiguously owned waters while continuing to
                                stifle any criticism of the PRC's own
                                atrocities, some of which are ongoing.
                                Physician, heal thyself.
                                \_ err ... I think everyone knows that
        \_ on a related note, 100 youngsters (in their 20s) came to the
           street of tokyo protesting against the textbook.  (from hk
           \_ Native students or Chinese?
              \_ natives plus foreigners from around the earth.
2005/4/15-16 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea] UID:37217 Activity:kinda low
4/15    Retired Korean agents burn coffin of Japan ambassador.
           \_ Sure everyone gets along so well in that region today, but what
              happens tomorrow when peak oil arrives?
2005/4/14-15 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan, Reference/History/WW2/Japan] UID:37191 Activity:very high
4/14    Japan is pulling a fast one in China Sea, just before meeting of
        foreign ministers.
        Japanese government approves drilling in contested water; "the Defense
        Agency and the Japan Coast Guard" will "ensure the safety of the
        Japanese firms involved." (remarks at the very end).
        \_ You can't keep backing down forever.  The only way to deal with a
           bully is to confront them at some point.
           \_ I agree 100%. Who's the biggest bully in the world?
           \_ That's what Germans said beforing invading CZ and Poland.
              \_ So long as you are consistent in the behavior you accept
                 from the parties.  If you accept Chinese consternation when
                 it's thwarted, then you accept US (or whatever other nation)
                 consternation when it is thwarted also.  If you accept the
                 Chinese military moving in to occupy the questionable areas,
                 then you accept someone else's invasion also.
                 \_ The url syas Japanese military is going to patrol the
                    contested water, as they have already done there and
                    over some islet in dispute, not the other way around.
                    Your "China Bad" reflex is hurting basic reading
                    comprehension.  Sad.
           \_ That's what Germans said beforing invading CZ and Poland.  Some
              just has a habit of calling the victim bully and the bully victim
              \_ Yep.  The Chinese started to tap into a pool of resource
                 that crosses into contested territory.
                 \_ You are confused which side your argument supports.
                    \_ it all depends on your perspective.
                       \_ Only if you are already fixated.
        \_ Why is Japan pulling a fast one?   China started test drilling
           first and would not make its plans known to Japan.
           \_ China drilled in a area where even Japan acknowldged to be in
              Chinese domain, but now Japan will drill in a contested area.
              A boundary between two countries is valid iff it is acknowledged
              by both.  China asked but Japan has refused to negotiate over the
              \_ Unfortunately, while the Chinese are drilling in uncontested
                 areas, they may be tapping into a pool of resource that
                 crosses over into the Japanese exclusive economic zone.
                 This makes the Chinese test drill a contested issue.  While
                 the Japanese may have refused China's proposal to jointly
                 develop the area, the Chinese have also turned down the
                 Japanese proposal to evenly divide the sea between China and
                 Japan.  Nor have the Japanese turned down the Chinese joint
                 development as such.  The Japanese government has asked for
                 Chinese drill data before they would consider the proposal,
                 and China has refused to provide any information.
                 \_ Japan "claims" the reservior is connected to theirs.
                    \_ I don't think there's much doubt that this is japan's
                       claim.  Perhaps you mean to put quotes around
                    Saddam made the same claim about oil field in Kuwait as the
                    reason to invade it.  If the air moleculres I breathe is
                    claimed to have passed Japan, do I have to bow to the
                    Emporor too?  As for the border, Japan simply "declared" a
                    "middle" line between Okinwawa, which was brutally annnexed
                    and colonized by Japan ~15 years before it did the same to
                    Taiwan and ~25 years before it did to Korea, and some spot
                    on mainland China.  It refused to discuss this with China.
                 \_ Saddam made the same claim about oil field in Kuwait
                    tapping into Iraq's as the reason to invade it.  If the
                    air moleculres I breathe is claimed to have passed Japan,
                    do I have to bow to the Emporor too?  As for the border,
                    Japan simply declared a "middle" line between Okinawa
                    and some spot on Chinese mainland.  Okinawa was forcibly
                    annnexed and brutally colonized ("disposed" is the
                    officially sanctioned word) by Japan ~15 years before it
                    did the same to Taiwan and ~25 years before it did so to
                    Korea.  It went free after WWII, but Japan reannexed it in
                    1972.  Regardless whether that is legitimate, it is clear
                    Japan's rapidly expanding border is a grave concern for its
                    neighbors, but it continues on a roll to impose its will.
                    Will they next claim a land border between Korea and
                    Shanghai, or between Pearl Harbor and Boston?
                 \_ China proposed joint exploration and offered to negotiate
                    the border dispute.  Japan simply unilaterally announed
                    where they want it to be.  This is not how normal country
                    resolves difference with neighbors. You are admitting the
                    facts, but your use of 'proposal','turn down,' and 'refuse'
                    are clever spins.  Isn't it odd to ask China to provide
                    very valuable data when Japan does not agree to form
                    a collaboration with it?  Hey, give me the source code to
                    longhorn before I consider whether to buy it.  No? You must
                    be evil!
                    \_ How can you negotiate over something when you don't
                       what you are negotiating over?  Of course Japan has
                       to ask for survey data before it can consider the
                       Chinese joint exploration proposal.
                    \_ Wrong analogy.  Source code = software.  However,
                       Survey data != actual oil
                       \_duh, analogy is not meant to be precise. If you were
                         serious about the discussion, you'd have gotten the
                         point, but clearly you are not.  Besides, Chinese
                         drilling is done in uncontested water. Japan's request
                         for data is just their way of saying "fuck you."
2005/4/12-14 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan, Reference/History/WW2/Japan] UID:37158 Activity:high
4/12    Should China or Japan apologize? Which side are you on and why?
        \_ What's astounding to me is that the politics within Japan keep
           the necessary reform of textbooks from happening. It IS appalling
           that many Japanese people make it all the way through college
           oblivious to why much of Asia hates them. It also continues to give
           Beijing something it can use as a diplomatic lever when they want
           something. It would be difficult for Beijing to take the moral high
           ground if it didn't have this drum to beat. The fact we're hearing
           about this now makes me suspect Beijing is trying to pull a fast
           one in some other area. Check on the conflict over natural gas in
           the China Sea lately? -- ulysses
           \_ Japan's entry as a permanent member of the Security Council.
           \_ So China is by default the bad one in any disputes?  I once met
              an American who thought opium war is about Chinese trying to sell
              opium to Britain and getting punished, and so I am not surprised
              to hear this on the motd.  (No swiftboat troll please)  Japan has
              been pulling "fast ones" in China sea for years, but you never
              hear it in the west.  Korea used its navy to seize some islands
              it (rightly) claims from Japan.  Have you heard of that?  China
              has been relying on (empty) protests.  No good deed goes
              unpunished, I guess.
           \_ It seems that Japan is pulling a fast one.
                Japan government approves drilling in contested region;
                Japan government approves drilling in contested water;
                "the Defense Agency and the Japan Coast Guard" will "ensure
                the safety of the Japanese firms involved."
        \_ Here's an interesting perspective I had not seen anywhere else:
           \_ Not mentioned elsewhere?  You have to be kidding.  I read it
              everywhere.  Every time anything happens with China, it must
              have a hidden, devious and sinister motive, according to all
              the western (and Japanese) news, from the NYT to freerepublic.
              China builds a highway?  It is trying to the supress freedom,
              etc.  One of my favorite was from The Economist.  Right after
              Musharraf's coup in Pakistan, Econ. condemns it.  Then China
              publicly (and mildly) expressed concern over the coup.  Econ.
              panicked and switched its stance, saying basically that since
              China does not like it, the coup must be a good thing after all!
              \_ The western media is extremely biased when it comes
                 to news about China. Whatever the news is, they can
                 always spin it in such a way that they can say
                 something bad about China. Everything you read about
                 China is negative. If you read enough of these news,
                 it's natural to form a negative opinion. They are not
                 lying (for the most part), they are just extremely
                 selective on the 'facts'.
        \_ Apologize for what?  It seems clear that Japan has yet to
           acknowledge let alone apologize for the various atrocities
           it committed throughout Asia in the 1930s-1940s (and earlier).
           So yeah, Japan should apologize for that.  What in particular
           were you thinking China should apologize for?  China has many
           things for which to apologize, but for protests in front of
           the .jp embassy?  come on. --Jon
           \_ According to that article "Japan's leaders have so far
              apologized to China on no fewer than 17 occasions since the
              two nations restored diplomatic ties in 1972, according to
              The Economist Global Agenda."
              I dunno, China *is* a scary country.
Even ignoring the word play that comes in every
such so-called apology, can you consider it an apology when the
"apologizer" makes it clear before and after the apology that he did
not mean to apologize.  If you can, you should find yourself "scary."
As for the article, it is quite typical and predictable of most
western journalist trying to insinuate that China does not have a
valid case in any contentious issue by selectively "reporting" "facts"
and quotes.  There were larger, more intense protests in Korea started
earlier and continue to this day.  They have an equally valid case for
their anger, but you wouldn't hear much of it on the western press,
and rarely if ever in a negative light.  What Chinese and Koreans want
from Japanese is not some faked verbal apology, but a sincere and
serious acceptance of responsibility and the belief from their conscience
"War was wrong and I now want to be your good neighbor," instead of its
current "I was your master, then the Yankees nuked us.  Ouch that
hurt, and now under the Yankees supervision I remain your master."  If
anything, the Chinese government has been holding back popular
resentment on this issue, giving Japan time, decades of it, to act up.
What they got in return were slaps on the face, year after year.  The
textbooks have been getting worse every (4?) years, the period of revision
and review by the Japanese government.  They now state in the textbooks
that it is China's fault that it was attacked, invaded, and occupied,
it's Korea's fault to be in Japan's way to conquer China that it had
to be invaded, that if any Chinese civilians and POWs were killed by
Japanese (in Nanjing and elsewhere) it was all done within the normal
conduct of war, that the Tokyo war courts' finding of wartime atrocity
were unfounded, that Japan made great sacrifice during WWII with the
sole intention to save Asia from western imperialists, and so on.  How is
this for an apologetic and reformed axis power?  And all this is not the
work of a few conspirators that sneaked under the radar screen, but a
wide open, popular, aggressive and concerted campaign by leading
politicians to reassert Japanese economic, military, and political
domination over its neighbors, including but not limited to its
induction into security council, perhaps permanently, this year.  Only a
small band of courageous but marginalized Japanese citizens have stood
up and condemned this.
                   Malformated verbal diarrhea _/
              \_ Even ignoring the word play that comes in every such
                 so-called apology, can you consider it an apology when the
                 "apologizer" makes it clear before and after the apology
                 that he did not mean to apologize.  If you can, you should
                 find yourself "scary." As for the article, it is quite
                 typical and predictable of most western journalist trying
                 to insinuate that China does not have a valid case in any
                 contentious issue by selectively "reporting" "facts" and
                 quotes.  There were larger, more intense protests in Korea
                 started earlier and continue to this day.  They have an
                 equally valid case for their anger, but you wouldn't hear
                 much of it on the western press, and rarely if ever in a
                 negative light.  What Chinese and Koreans want from
                 Japanese is not some faked verbal apology, but a sincere
                 and serious acceptance of responsibility and the belief
                 from their conscience "War was wrong and I now want to be
                 your good neighbor," instead of its current "I was your
                 master, then the Yankees nuked us.  Ouch that hurt, and now
                 under the Yankees supervision I remain your master."  If
                 anything, the Chinese government has been holding back
                 popular resentment on this issue, giving Japan time,
                 decades of it, to act up.  What they got in return were
                 slaps on the face, year after year.  The textbooks have
                 been getting worse every (4?)  years, the period of
                 revision and review by the Japanese government.  They now
                 state in the textbooks that it is China's fault that it was
                 attacked, invaded, and occupied, it's Korea's fault to be
                 in Japan's way to conquer China that it had to be invaded,
                 that if any Chinese civilians and POWs were killed by
                 Japanese (in Nanjing and elsewhere) it was all done within
                 the normal conduct of war, that the Tokyo war courts'
                 finding of wartime atrocity were unfounded, that Japan made
                 great sacrifice during WWII with the sole intention to save
                 Asia from western imperialists, and so on.  How is this for
                 \_ Is this true? I find this shocking. links?
                    \_ The Japanese claim may have some validity depending
                       on what point in history one is talking about.
                       Japan's attitude was a changing mixture of "dang,
                       we are getting screwed by the western powers",
                       "we need to get strong and help asia defend itself",
                       "hey, we want our own part of the imperialism pie",
                       "uh oh, china is getting stronger, we better nip it
                       in the bud", "koreans and chinese are sub-humans,
                       we are superior and should kill them or rule over
                       them".  The whole process goes back up till several
                       decades before WWII, includes the Russo-Japanese
                       War (1905), Sino-Japanese War (1894/5), etc.
                       Of course, the revisionists these days just focus
                       solely on the "We are just trying to
                       defending asia against western imperialism" part.
                     \_ If you read Chinese or Korean, it should be widely
                        are two examples in Chinese.  I suspect that it is not
                        that hard to find Japanese version either.  The
                        Japanese groups behind the textbook rewriting are quite
                        proud of what they did and quite likely they are
                        bragging what changes they will put in the future.  I
                        am sorry I cannot find any western journalists willing
                        to report on the textbooks.  One has to look deep into
                        their soul to figure out why.
                 an apologetic and reformed axis power?  And all this is not
                 the work of a few conspirators that sneaked under the radar
                 screen, but a wide open, popular, aggressive and concerted
                 campaign by leading politicians to reassert Japanese
                 economic, military, and political domination over its
                 neighbors, including but not limited to its induction into
                 security council, perhaps permanently, this year. Only a
                 small band of courageous but marginalized Japanese citizens
                 have stood up and condemned this.
                                        - formatted for op
                 \_ Well said, thank you! -ray
              \_ I imagine the problem is not so much that Japan hasn't
                 apologized but that Japanese text book publishers keep
                 putting out books that (in China's opinion) minimizes
                 Japanese atrocities during WWII.  How much (central)
                 governmental control does Japan have over its textbooks?
                 \_ I understand the Education Ministry is very nationalist.
                 \_ "The acrimonious exchanges come after a week of rising
                     tensions over the Japanese Government's approval of a
                     controversial school textbook, which plays down the
                     extent of historical atrocities committed by Japan.
                     Among its other perceived flaws, the book, which was
                     written by a panel of nationalist educators, removed
                     all reference to 'comfort women'  Asian women forced
                     into sexual slavery by the Japanese Imperial Army."
                     http://csua.org/u/bo2  (UK Times)
              \_ "... apologized ... no fewer than 17 occasions ..."
                 apologized for what?
                 \_ "We're sorry you're all a bunch of pussies."
                 \_ "We're sorry we did the good ole in-and-out on your
                     country" (seriously)
                     \_ It's not even "We're sorry about the in-and-out ...".
                        It's "We feel sorry about the in-and-out ...".  In
                        other words, it was explicitly only an expression of
                        resentment, not an apology.
        \_ Japan was stupid to accept the new revisions to the textbooks.
           In an ideal world, Japan should back out to the old revisions and
           send back the new ones for review.
        \_ What about Germany? What do text book in Germany say about WWII?
           \_ The holocaust was a JEWISH CONSPIRACY!  It never happened!1!
           \_ 'Germany continues to compensate victims even today, although
               World War II ended 60 years ago, Mr. Roh observed.
               "Germany also publishes history textbooks through
               consultation with its neighbors," [South Korean President
               President Roh Moo-hyun] said. He said that South Korea is
               envious of Germany's neighbors for having such an opportunity.'
               http://csua.org/u/bo1 (JoongAng Daily)
           \_ U.S. textbooks are an interesting piece of fiction, too.
              \_ I'm glad you learned from them to get your degree as well
        \_ Imagine if Germany did what Japan has done.  German president/pm
           visits cemetary where Hitler and his generals were interred to
           pay respects.  Germany approves new history books whitewashing
           the holocaust. -nivra
2005/4/10-12 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/China, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan] UID:37134 Activity:high
4/10    So, I'm hearing all this crap about social security becoming insolvent
        because we won't have enough taxpayers to support the baby boomers.
        What I haven't heard anything about is, why not allow more *skilled*
        immigrants into the country? Why not allow people educated here to
        stay in the country? We spend all this money on educating these
        foreign nationals, and then make them leave, even if they'd like to
        stay. Allowing them to stay would obviously make for more taxpayers,
        more consumer demand, etc. And it's not really like we don't have
        the land; Japan can cram well over half the population of the US into
        a space smaller than California. The drawback is of course national
        security "concerns", and the notion that foreigners will be competing
        for our jobs. What do you people think?
        \_ The US's prosperity was built largely on brain drain from
           foreign countries with poorer conditions than here.  Hindering
           the brain drain in the name of national security is going to
           bite us in the ass bigtime.  Having poor schools in this country
           is going to bite us in the ass bigtime too.  It's a pity we
           have to suffer through cowardly leaders who only care about
           short term gain.
           \_ Nice sentiment, but where did the obsession with ass-biting
              get mixed into this?
           \_ The US's ability to brain drain will probably be more
              impacted by effective competition from foreign schools.
              We'll probably still have the top schools, but the top 100
              schools won't be 90% in the US.
        \_ The U.S. taxpayer just finished spending a quarter of a million
           dollars to pay for my Mainland Chinese friend's phd in solid state
           physics.  Due
           to laws that almost redefine the phrase "government idiocy" she
           may be unable to work in this country where we can benefit from
           her education because all of "nanotechnology" has been declared
           sensitive, and everyone in solid state physics wants to call their
           work nanotech to get on the funding gravy train.  Dumb dumb dumb.
           I don't know the details of the ban, but it extends to the private
           sector.  "Sorry, you can't contribute to our economy.  We're just
           going to spend a quarter of a million dollars training you, then
           force you to go back home and compete with us economically."
        \_ you should consult a mental health professional
           \_ Well, thanks for that ad hominem attack. BTW, I'm actually
              born in the states, and this is not a troll. It is
              practically a certainty at this point that our population will
              not grow fast enough to support the boomers. It seems like the
              obvious way to grow the population is to bring in other people,
              very preferably ones who can contribute to our economy instead
              of ending up on welfare.
        \_ I have an idea that will help: ban abortion.
           \_ See the welfare argument.
        \_ It is my opinion that lots of skilled immigrants are already
           ending up here. They are indeed taking jobs from Americans,
           because they are willing to work for less. I fail to see how
           this benefits the country. Do you really want to import doctors
           from former Soviet Republics, like Spain is doing?
           \_ Well, it is not clear if their presence here creates more jobs
              than they take. Do dumb hicks contribute much to our economy?
              In one sense, yes, since they fuel consumer demand by living
              beyond their means. In another sense, no, because they're stupid
              and don't increase our competitiveness. I'm not saying it should
              be a free-for-all, or that foreign nationals should be allowed
              in all fields, especially when we are not sure what their
              education is relative to the standards in this country. But
              especially for foreigners who got college or graduate degrees
              in this country, not allowing them to stay seems rather silly.
              After all, you can say that they deprived some US citizen of a
              spot at whatever school they went to, so what's the big deal now?
              \_ Is there evidence that lots of people who earned graduate
                 degrees here are not able to stay? Observationally, I
                 don't see that problem in the fields I am familiar with
                 (aerospace engineering, software engineering, hard
                 science, and entertainment).
                 \_ Yes.  Please read my post about Chinese physicists in the
                    U.S. above.  Admittedly, my evidence is also anecdotal, but
                    since most of the people I know are physics grad students,
                    and since about half of them are foreign, I think my
                    anecdotal evidence is relevant.  What I see is unthinking
                    visa policy directly harming American science.  It's not
                    that the *numbers* of foreign scientists wanting to be
                    in the U.S. will go down any time soon, it's that the
                    *quality* is going to start going down as the top people
                    pass up U.S. offers. -!pp
                    \_ Why does quality matter in terms of Social Security?
                       The reality is that there are more PhDs being graduated
                       than there are jobs to employ them.
                       \_ Fuck social security.  The republicans are going
                          to destroy it anyway.  I was just talking about
                          issues affecting American science in general.
                       \_ It might not per se, but the point is we would
                          probably rather have immigrants quality enough to
                          stay off welfare, and better yet, contribute to
                 \_ It's difficult to stay these days.  You need a H-1B to
                    work in the US, and these get used up in less than
                    a day everytime new quotas become available (in April
                    and October).  From a company's standpoint, that's
                    a lot of uncertainty and cost for hiring a foreign
                    student graduate from US universities.  The whole
                    PR process is also a huge pain and takes forever.
                    \_ It's difficult to hire foreign nationals. On the
                       other hand, plenty of them seem to be getting jobs.
                       Some of them marry Americans, but I have seen no
                       shortage of PhDs from India, China, and Europe working
                       here in the US. In fact, I see more than ever before.
                       Some real statistics and less anecdotal evidence would
                       be nice.
                        \_ It's not just difficult to hire, it's also a
                           pain to stay, so might as well go home,
                           especially given the opportunities abroad.
                           \_ There are no opportunities abroad. Maybe in
                              China. Definitely not in Europe, for
                              instance. I'd like to see some statistics.
                              \_ actually there are lots of opportunities
                                 abroad.  china, india, hongkong, singapore,
                                 taiwan, korea, japan, ...
                                 \_ Japan is okay, but are there really
                                    that many opportunities for, say,
                                    physicists in India or Singapore?
        \_ I grow tired of seeing these posts about how we, as a US
           economy keep getting hurt by offshore jobs, brain drain, etc.
           All the posts seem very Nationalistic and people fail to take into
           account the big picture, we are a global economy.  That person
           who leaves with a Physics degree eventually may invent
           something in China that benefits someone in the US and
           globally.  You can always go micro and say "Contra Costa is losing
           jobs to San Fran", but eventually we all benefit from knowledgeable
           people no matter what tax bucket their income falls in.
           \_ Are you the "Little Chinese"?
2005/3/23-24 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan] UID:36829 Activity:kinda low
3/23    I don't get this. How can you go to jail by playing chess? CHESS???
        Fine there's a stupid international saction but it's just a game.
        \_ didnt he burn his correspondence from the state dept. on tv
        \_ "The American exile angered many of his fellow countrymen when he
           went on Philippine radio on 11 September 2001, applauding the
           attacks on the US on that day and launching into an anti-Semitic
           \_ he was exiled many years BEFORE 9/11
        \_ At the time, it was a fairly big deal.  Now-a-days I would
           expect them to be happy with just getting rid of the wack-job,
           but I guess he probably injured some big-wigs pride. -jrleek
        \_ He violated sanctions on Yugoslavia by going there and accepting a
           prize for the competition.  Chess wasn't illegal, so desist with the
           red herring.  -emarkp
           \_ woooo... that's sooo scary. He went there to play a tourney...
              wow. He's as evil as Martha Stewart.
              \_ The investor who put up the purse intentionally chose
                 Yugoslavia as the venue to thumb his nose at the sancations.
                 Yugoslavia as the venue to thumb his nose at the sanctions.
                 You don't agree with sanctions?  Fine. -emarkp
                 \_ I think it's not a question of whether we agree or not
                    with the sanctions. People should be free to go wherever
                    they please, maybe they even don't agree with the sanctions.
                    Why should the government stop them?
                    \_ Umm... look up sanction in the dictionary.
2005/3/22-23 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan, Reference/History/WW2/Japan] UID:36811 Activity:high
3/22    I am wondering, do other countries have kids shooting other kids
        in school? What about England? Europe, Asia, Japan?
        \_ no, in Asia they kill themselves (suicide)
        \_ No guns in Japan, but knives
           \_ I remember a story from about 7 years ago where some
              Japanese High School Kid killed classmates with a katana.
              \_ is this the "bamoidooki" and "sacred experimenter" case?
              \_ and I bet freeper troll put it on the MOTD as a fallacious
                 refutation of the need for gun control.  -tom
                 \_ curious tom, when you say gun control what do you have in
                    mind? what's your preffered gun control scheme?
                    mind? what's your preferred gun control scheme?
                    \_ I don't see any fundamental problems with the UK's
                       scheme.  -tom
              \_ There was the kid who cut off the head of a 10yo and put it
                 in front of his school. That guy, btw, never had his name
                 revealed bc he was a juvenile. Now that he's an adult, they
                 had to let him go. He's at large, in Japan, and his ID remains
        \_ Never heard of it in Hong Kong.  Gun control over there is much
           better.  Gang members in bad schools stabbing each other are common,
           but kids going postal and stabbing random classmates are very very
           \_ Probably a lot harder to kill 10 people with a knife befoe being
        \_ They use knives and brickbats in the UK.  Just as violent, the
           little fuckers, and apparently far more prone to bullying.  -John
           \_ I've wondered if the Brits I've met are just bottom of the
              barrel or if there is a predisposition to beatings/physical
              violence w/ drinking.  One thought was that it comes from a
              lack of concern that the response to a punch might be a
              .45 in the face.
              \_ "God created man, but Sam Colt made them equal."
        \_ Don't Japanese people use samurai swords to kill each other?
2005/3/19-21 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan, Reference/History/WW2/Japan] UID:36767 Activity:kinda low
3/19    Primitive man-bot deputs in Japan, can walk 1 mile per hour. What is
        it with the Japanese people and their obsession with robots (Honda's
        Asimo, Robotech, and now this)?
        \_ Debuted a month ago. Beats the hell out of a Segway.
           Cf. http://www.hitachi.co.jp/New/cnews/month/2005/03/0315.html
           (Hitachi's EMIEW.)
        \_ Cost-cutting.  It's cheaper than Japanese people.  -John
        \_ It's necessary R&D before they can develop the tentacle-bot.
        \_ First step towards miniaturization of people in a city of minature
           manufacturing centers where tall people are excluded and cut up
           for parts.
        \_ Half the Japanese population will be too old to work soon. They
           need robots since importing slaves is not permitted anymore.
2005/1/31 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan, Politics/Foreign/Europe] UID:35996 Activity:moderate
1/31    I take it back, German socialism has my approval:
        \_ That's really sick.  No one ought to be forced to sell his
           or her body for other people's sexual jollies.
        \_ Mmm.  Emergent behavior.
        \_ Ok this is really funny.  An obvious fix to this insanity is to
           add male prostitute as a "forced job" -- Those laws will get fixed
           instantly.  Kind of like how in Japan the government was dragging
           their feet for 10+ years on the abortion pill (is it legal yet?)
           but Viagra was instantly approved.
           \_ The Japanese govt. was dragging its feet on _the pill_, not
              Plan B. As in, omgwtf?
                \_ Right, it's even worse than I remembered.
2005/1/18 [Reference/History/WW2/Japan, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan] UID:35771 Activity:moderate
1/18    I want to see this: (Wierd Japanese Kiddie show)
        \_ Are there non-weird Japanese kiddie shows?
           \_ I'd actually be interested in Japanese TV in general
              to assist in learning the language. Does anyone know
              of regular Japanese language shows you can get in the US
              through cable or satellite? -bz
              \_ channel 26 ktsf(?) on the public airwaves has dramas
2005/1/5 [Politics/Foreign/Europe, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan] UID:35547 Activity:high
1/4     Updated govt. aid figures:
        Australia:      $765m
        Germany:        $680m
        Japan:          $500m
        US:             $350m
        \_ Politicizing disaster relief is sickening.
           \_ http://www.filibustercartoons.com/archive.php?id=20050105
        \_ How much has been given privately?  How much does it cost for our
           carrier group and soldiers to be over there helping?
           \_ ssshhhh!
              \_ Sorry, didn't mean to feed the trolls.
           \_ Yeah, but do the Indonesian people think that way?
              \_ Who cares?
2005/1/4-5 [Health/Disease/AIDS, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan] UID:35539 Activity:moderate
1/4     Ranking of govt. aids:
        #1: Japan       $500m
        #2: Australia   $450m
        #3: US          $350m
        \- this really understates what the US is doing with it's
           navy and such. also japan has a self-interest movtive
           i would guess in getting aceh back on line. they get
           some amount of natural gas and other resources from the
           Aceh area directly.
           \_ What are the Russians doing?
                \_ they're busy doing insane things nationalizing
                   their gas/oil company and selling a chunk of it to china.
                   \_ agreed. Maybe they should do the sane and smart thing
                      like giving private enterprizes more power because
                      they run the industry more efficiently. In fact
                      they should just follow the Enron model-- ethics
                      aside, it was a very efficient and profitable model.
                      Produce less, make more. -conservative who totally
                                                trusts private enterprizes
                   \_ [troll deleted]
                \_ pretend the US only has one oil company.  now
                   nationalized it.  big undertaking!
                      \_ Welcome to the ownership society.
        \_ Japan is trying to buy his way to a permanent seat in security
           concil in United Nation.  So, Japan's contribution is not really
           an altrustic aid.
2004/12/31-2005/1/2 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/China, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan] UID:35506 Activity:high
12/31   350 million, now that's more like it!!
        \_ How much have China, Japan, and Korea donated?
           \_ After the tsunami, China was the first foreigh country to send
              money, goods, and rescue team to Thailand and probably others
              as well. They pledged 2.62M US$ then added an extra 60.46M US$
              yesterday.  Incidentally, judging by GDP per capita, China is
              poorer than two of the countries to which it is donating money.
              Its rank is 123th (below average), quite a bit behind
              Thailand (97), Malaysia (86). cf Korea (50), Japan (17), USA (3)
              \_ Damn fucking US media, I find no mentioning of this.
                 Yeah, balanced and unbiased, my ass.
                 \_ So naive, little boy.  Go back to drinking your kool-aid.
           \_ *IF* USA has pledge to donate let say, $50 million within hours
              of diseaster (instead of days), it would of made differences
              in opinion poll.  China's aid is minute compare with USA, Japan,
              and Germany, but China was one of first nation which send out
              aids to them.
        \_ They didn't spend billions invading another country.
        \_ hopefully they buy American first, gotta pump up our economy
           \_ they already are.  buying cigarrets :p
2004/11/12 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan, Reference/History/WW2/Japan] UID:34865 Activity:nil 71%like:34837
11/11   Author of Rape of Nanking committed suicide:
        \_ From the article: "Many soldiers went beyond rape to disembowel
           women, slice off their breasts, nail them alive to walls. Fathers
           were forced to rape their daughters and sons their mothers as other
           family members watched."
           \_ Where does that info come from I wonder?
              \_ The article said she interviewed survivors in China.
                 \_ Considering the well-documented atrocities committed
                    by the biological warefare Unit 731, these things
                    are all very plausible.
                    \_ So here's what I don't undestand.  How did Japan go
                       from this level of barbarism to being some of the most
                       peaceful people in the world in one generation?
                       \_ America.
                       \_ Perception of external threats from western
                          imperialist nations leading to desire to have
                          its own colonial empire leading to invasion
                          of korea, manchuria.  Ideology of superiority
                          of Japanese and society turning militaristic
                          leading to despise and dehumanization of
                          other asian people.  Whether Japan is peaceful
                          or not is still to be seen.  It can only be
                          judged when the nation is under duress.  US
                          did have a positive influence on Japan since
                    \_ Is Japan denying what Unit 731 did too?
                    \_ I just searched for Unit 731 on google, and boy, I got
                       pretty angry. I guess what the US did to the Iraqi
                       prisoners seems like Child's play in comparison.
                       Now tell me, is Japan denying Unit 731?
                       \_ the right wingers certainly are denying it,
                          or the very least, not wanting to teach it
                          in school or discouraging people to write
                          about it.
                       \_ It's pretty horrid.  Look for the William Kristol
                          interview with a veteran of that unit.
                          The guy's statements are stomach-turning.  -John
                       \_ There were also interviews of Japanese soldiers
                          who witnessed or participated in the Rape of
                          Nanking.  Some felt a lot of guilt, while others
                          tried to explain it.
        \_ And how have they ruled out some pissed off Japanese right wing
           nut killed her?
           \_ why do you hate right wing Japanese people?
                \_ It's that whole SoCal supermarket--samurai sword thing.
                   Read up on Yukio Mishima, you may be amused. -John
           \_ The US govt is not interested in embarrassing its Japanese ally
              with whatever war crimes it committed in China.  I don't think it
              has ever been interested.
              \_ Well, "authorities" said it was suicide.  What "authorities"?
                 Local cops, I assume.  How difficult is it for leet Japanese
                 ninja types to fake a suicide that will fool the local
          \_ An alternative theory is that the research on the Bataan
             Death March which the http://sfgate.com article said she was doing in
             Kentucky days before she was foudn dead traumatized her enough to
             commit suicide. Like maybe she opened up old wounds of some
             80-year-old WWII vet and felt guilty about it...
             \_ What's he gonna do, beat her to death with a walker?
                \_ you're a craven asshole.
                   \_ Not really, I thought pp was making nonsense hypotheses.
                      Wasn't meant like that.
                      \_ I agree, but then it's well known the motd is full
                         of psycopath.
                         \_ And FOB idiots.
2004/11/12-14 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan, Reference/History/WW2/Japan] UID:34858 Activity:high
11/12   I can't seem to get over what I read about Japan's "Biological
        Unit 731". I mean I know Japanese did some bad things in
        China, but I never really knew the details. Thanks to the
        wonder of the internet and the recent discussion of author of
        "Rape of Nanking", I decided to Google it. At first it was not
        a big deal, all history, but soon I got pretty sick of what I
        was reading. I mean all those live experiments on human body.
        And now I can't seem to quite get over it. How could any
        person with conscience justify what they are doing? I mean
        taking pictures of Naked prisoners is bad, but this kind of
        stuff is down right horrible. I find myself having some
        trouble getting past what I read. I drive a Japanese car,
        Japanese stuff is all over my house, and my company works with
        Japanese clients and heck I've even been to Japan once and
        sort of liked it. But how do I get over what I read? I am just
        kinda angry/pissed at something. -Chinese sodan
        \_ Attila the Hun, Nero, Ivan the Terrible, slavery, Hitler,
           eugenics, Pol Pot, etc. etc. etc. ad nauseum.  WWII plumbed horrid
           depths of human darkness; it's over.  The people in Japan you deal
           with nowadays most likely had nothing to do with it.  Don't look
           at them as compatriots of manics, look at them as people.  -John
        Japanese stuff is all over my house, and my company works with
        Japanese clients and heck I've even been to Japan once and
        sort of liked it. But how do I get over what I read? I am just
                        Easy; pretend you're Tibetan. _/
        kinda angry/pissed at something. -Chinese sodan
        \_ As a fellow Chinese Sodan I can only say that one should let the
           past be the past. There's already too much hatred in the world
           to reopen old wounds. Yes, the crimes were horrible, yes,
           more Chinese died due to the Japenese than Jews (only the
           Russians lost more people), yes Nanking was a crime against humanity,
           yes, they treated POWs wit utter brutality. However, we cannot
           blame the children for the crimes of their fathers. To do so
           would only continue the cycle of hatred. Having said that I do think
           that the Japanese need to acknowledge their crimes, like the
           Germans have, and make a heartfelt apology to all nations, not
           simply China, of their WWII aggressions. The Japanese have,
           unfortunately, decided to forget that part of their history.
           I believe that this not only affects Sino-Japanese relations,
           but it has also greatly damaged the psyche of Japanese society.
           I believe that until the Japanese are willing to come to terms
           with that past there will always be this sense of guilt
           lingering in the corners of their collective culture.
           \_ Certainly younger Japanese bear no guilt for old atrocities, but
              when you have modern nationalists denying what happened, and no
              public national apology, it's at least a tacit approval.
        \_ Do you get angry/pissed about atrocities against non-Chinese?
        \_ My friend's parents still hold a grudge, they only buy American
           cars. Maybe that's why Iris Chang was found in an Oldsmobile.
           \_ My first three cars were American, and now I've finally bowed to
              quality issues and bought a Japanese one as the fourth.
              --- Chinese
        \_ Nothing can be done now.  Historically people have done some
           pretty horrible things, the Japanese aren't alone in this,
           although they did take brutality to an artform.  Just remember
           this whenever someone suggests dropping the bomb on Japan was a
           horrible thing to do.
        \_ Japan got nuked twice, get over it.
           \_ But it wasn't the Chinese who nuked it.
                \_ hmm. but the Chinese sold out their culture to
                   communism, they get what they deserve after that.
                   \_ huh? what's wrong with communism?
                   \_ I see you've been brainwashed well.
                   \_ huh? Nanking was the capital of ROC run by the
                      KMT, not the CCP.
        \_ Older generations of Jews have tended to not purchase German-made
           goods, though the younger generations have since abandoned the
           practice.  Memories fade and people die.  You can certain boycott
           practice.  Memories fade and people die.  You can certainly boycott
           Japanese goods if it will make you feel better, or you can just
           console yourself with the fact that the Japanese who committed
           those atrocities are either dead or dying, and the younger Japanese
           seem unlikely to repeat the mistakes.
        \_ You enjoyed your visit to Japan?  Do you speak Japanese?  My wife
           was a Japanophile, and she took a couple years of Japanese in
           college.  She's Chinese, btw.  When she finally visited Japan,
           she was stunned by the constant stream of Japanese chatter around
           her disparaging her on her "barbaric" appearance and behavior.
           Another friend of my wife's worked as a programmer in Japan for
           a few years, and she also came out of the experience a Japanophobe.
           \_ your wife probably is barbaric, being chinese and whatnot.
              you should upgrade to a better race.
              \_ I like sexy barbaric females.
                 \_ It does sound hot
           \_ My coworker (Colombian/Hungarian) lived and worked in Japan
              for a year and loved it. Her Japanese friends come to visit
              all the time. It's your wife, dude.
              \_ Not to get all racist, but you do know how closed-minded
                 some asian cultures are right?
                 \_ I once had the honor to escort a Chinese doctor around a
                    festival in rural Japan.  Everyone assumed she was Japanese
                    and no one made disparaging remarks about her when they
                    learned the contrary, despite her lack of Japanese language
                    skill.  Anecdotal evidence swings both ways and is, in
                    general, inconclusive. --erikred
                 \_ s/some asian cultures/some asians/
                 \_ Try it out for yourself:
              \_ Yes, most of my white friends have had good experience in
                 Japan.  That, however, does not mean that other Asian types
                 are treated with the same amount of respect and courtesy.
                 \_ Part of the distinction is whether you are considered a
                    'visitor' or a 'native.'  According to my friends who lived
                    in Japan, one is treated like a King ... until one stays
                    for a while.  Then eventually one is treated like a native,
                    which is considerably more stressful, but at least it's how
                    the japanese treat each other.  -- ilyas
        \_ Consider that the purpose of the Nuremburg trials and the execution
           of Tojo and the Japanese high command was to remove the burden of
           collective guilt on the part of the German and Japanese public
           after the war.  Most Japanese, on hearing about the atrocities
           committed by Unit 731, are absolutely horrified.  I don't want to
           belittle your own feelings; I just want to offer you some historical
           solace. --erikred
2004/11/11-12 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan, Reference/History/WW2/Japan] UID:34837 Activity:high 71%like:34865
11/11   Author of Rape of Nanking committed suicide:
        \_ From the article: "Many soldiers went beyond rape to disembowel
           women, slice off their breasts, nail them alive to walls. Fathers
           were forced to rape their daughters and sons their mothers as other
           family members watched."
           \_ Where does that info come from I wonder?
              \_ The article said she interviewed survivors in China.
                 \_ Considering the well-documented atrocities committed
                    by the biological warefare Unit 731, these things
                    are all very plausible.
                    \_ So here's what I don't undestand.  How did Japan go
                       from this level of barbarism to being some of the most
                       peaceful people in the world in one generation?
                       \_ America.
                       \_ Perception of external threats from western
                          imperialist nations leading to desire to have
                          its own colonial empire leading to invasion
                          of korea, manchuria.  Ideology of superiority
                          of Japanese and society turning militaristic
                          leading to despise and dehumanization of
                          other asian people.  Whether Japan is peaceful
                          or not is still to be seen.  It can only be
                          judged when the nation is under duress.  US
                          did have a positive influence on Japan since
                    \_ Is Japan denying what Unit 731 did too?
                    \_ I just searched for Unit 731 on google, and boy, I got
                       pretty angry. I guess what the US did to the Iraqi
                       prisoners seems like Child's play in comparison.
                       Now tell me, is Japan denying Unit 731?
                       \_ the right wingers certainly are denying it,
                          or the very least, not wanting to teach it
                          in school or discouraging people to write
                          about it.
                       \_ It's pretty horrid.  Look for the William Kristol
                          interview with a veteran of that unit.
                          The guy's statements are stomach-turning.  -John
                       \_ There were also interviews of Japanese soldiers
                          who witnessed or participated in the Rape of
                          Nanking.  Some felt a lot of guilt, while others
                          tried to explain it.
        \_ And how have they ruled out some pissed off Japanese right wing
           nut killed her?
           \_ why do you hate right wing Japanese people?
                \_ It's that whole SoCal supermarket--samurai sword thing.
                   Read up on Yukio Mishima, you may be amused. -John
           \_ The US govt is not interested in embarrassing its Japanese ally
              with whatever war crimes it committed in China.  I don't think it
              has ever been interested.
              \_ Are you chinese?  Do you understand the effects opium trade
                 had on china?
              \_ Well, "authorities" said it was suicide.  What "authorities"?
                 Local cops, I assume.  How difficult is it for leet Japanese
                 ninja types to fake a suicide that will fool the local
          \_ An alternative theory is that the research on the Bataan
             Death March which the http://sfgate.com article said she was doing in
             Kentucky days before she was foudn dead traumatized her enough to
             commit suicide. Like maybe she opened up old wounds of some
             80-year-old WWII vet and felt guilty about it...
             \_ What's he gonna do, beat her to death with a walker?
                \_ you're a craven asshole.
                   \_ Not really, I thought pp was making nonsense hypotheses.
                      Wasn't meant like that.
                      \_ I agree, but then it's well known the motd is full
                         of psycopath.
                         \_ And FOB idiots.
2004/11/11-12 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan] UID:34832 Activity:nil
11/11   Japan today.  The questions and answers are pretty boring, but the
        pictures are awesome.
        \_ I don't get it, which part about the pic makes it 'awesome'?
           \_ Sorry, I think Japanese nuts are funny.
              \_ Well, I think your Japanese schoolgirl fetish is funny,
                 so I guess it's a good day for humor.
2004/10/27 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan, Reference/History/WW2/Japan] UID:34386 Activity:very high
10/27   On a lighter note, Japan Today on Japanese drinking habits!
        \_ I'm usually not one to comment like this, but that Kaori looks like
           a skank.  The sake blush in the cheeks isn't helping.
           a skank.  The sake blush in her cheeks isn't helping.
           \_ I'm curious. Given the context of a young woman in a completely
              different place and culture, what definition of skank are you
              thinking of? E.g., does "skank" = !(HOTAZNCH1X)?
2004/10/14-15 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan] UID:34117 Activity:low
10/13   Small-time politicians say Rape of Nanjing never occurred, causing
        weekly manga series to be suspended:
        \_ The problem is: how many Japanese people are going to read The Japan
           Times, let alone believing it?
           \_ Um, tons.  The Japan Times is a major newspaper in Japan.  The
              Mainichi, on the other hand, is a sensationalist rag.
2004/9/9 [Reference/History/WW2/Japan, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan] UID:33437 Activity:very high
9/9     Oh man, only 75 protesters showed up at Malkin's speach last
        night, and from the picture it doesn't even look like any of them
        were students.
        \_ um, you're confusing active and outspoken Berkeley
           students of the 60s with the currently apathetic, confused,
           self-centered, and capitalistic minded Berkeley students
           of today.
           \_ things were pretty racist back then.  people today are like,
              where's the racism today?  Why do black people and hispanics
              get preferential treatment in admissions?
              \_ Mmm... uninformed troll...
                 \_ wasn't it pretty racist back then?  aren't BCR people
                    today asking where's the racism today, and why do black
                    people and hispanics get preferential treatment in
                    \_ blacks and hispanics don't get preferential treatment
                       in admissions.
                       \_ yer right.  Admissions from these groups have
                          dropped a lot since the change in the UC system.
                          BCR people are actually thinking, "Yeah, see, we
                          were right."
                    \_ Yes, issues of racism have gotten better, but they're
                       definitely not gone.  To think that they are is
                       incredibly naive, immature, or stupid.
                       \_ yer right.  BCR people are worried about reverse
        \_ I would say most of the protestors were students.  There
           were 5 or 6 well behaved non student Spartacus league
           freaks outside of Dwinelle.  The Dwinelle hallway is just
           not that big so there wasn't that much room for much
           of anything to happen.  Michelle Malkin writes that
           there were hundreds of her supporters who couldn't get in,
           I don't agree.   oh that photo you are talking about
           is from the sproul lunch thing, i'm talking about her
           actual speech at the BCR meeting.  the protest photo
           was during daylight, malkin's speech was around 8pm
           last night. - danh
           \_ Whew.  I was afraid the Berkeley students were growing
              brains or something.  Nice to know I've still got plenty of
              idiots to laugh at.  Of course, inviting Maulkin at all is
              pretty stupidly funny.
                \_ you can get a good idea of where Malkin is coming from
                   just by reading her blog for a while
                   http://www.michellemalkin.com .  I really doubt she
                   woke up one morning and thought "The Japanese
                   internment was good for the motherland in ww2.  I must
                   correct this historical misunderstanding and write
                   a book!"   - danh
                   \_ She excoriates Delta Airlines for booting a non-paying
                      soldier from a flight in favor of a paying customer with
                      a ticket.  I wonder what she has to say about Halliburton
                      serving spoiled food to US troops.
                \_ it's very smart of the BCR boys.  they know if they
                   invite some nutcase who writes a book about how
                   the Japanese American internment was not motivated
                   by racism at all and actually helped the ww2 war effort,
                   she gets some more laughs by claiming they showed
                   up voluntarily and that over half of the camp detainees
                   were non Japanese, that people will get pissed
                   off and show up and shout a lot.  then the BCR
                   people and their unholy David Horowitz zombie masters
                   can include wild eyed photos of Berkeley liberals
                   in their next fundraising newsletter. - danh
                   \_ Americans of German and Italian descent were not ordered
                      to report to their nearest detention facility
                        \_ They were in the UK.  -John
                      \_ The Germans and Italians didn't attack American land
                         in the Atlantic, nor did they have any sort of naval
                         capability to do so (U-boats were ship-to-ship
                         weapons); only a handful of battleships/cruisers,
                         no real amphibious force, and no aircraft carriers
                         \_ The point was to clarify the "over half of the
                            camp detainees were non Japanese".  Those
                            individuals didn't have to be there if they were
                            American citizens and didn't break any laws,
                            unlike American citizens of Japanese descent.
                            In any case, if it floats your boat to say that
                            it was right to detain all Americans of Japanese
                            descent because the Japanese COULD have invaded
                            the U.S. and Japanese-Americans COULD turn traitor
                            and spy for the enemey, and innocent Japanese-
                            Americans had to be detained in the interest of the
                            greater good, so be it, but I want to hear you say
                            it.  So far all I'm getting is "what about this,
                            what about that", "I can understand why they did
                            that", but no "They were right to intern Japanese-
                            \_ Not to defend what was done, but put yourself
                               in the position of the guy who made that
                               decision the other way, "we won't intern", on
                               8 Dec 1941. Then a Japanese invasion force
                               arrives in 1942 and is aided by some Japanese-
                               Americans. Internment was the conservative
                               (and in retrospect, unnecessary) thing to do.
                               \_ Japanese emigration has long been funded
                                  in part by the War Ministry and ultimately
                                  became a national policy in 1932.  In
                                  Manchuria, for example, the line between
                                  Japanese immigrant farmer and the military
                                  has always been somewhat blurry.  The May
                                  15th incident, where elements of the Japanese

                                  Army assasinated the local Chinese warlord,
                                  involved participation by emigre Japanese
                                  farmers.  The Japanese Kwantung Army also
                                  drew recruits and support from Japanese
                                  emigres in China.
                                  \_ I am not sure if you could equate Japanese
                                     emigration to Manchuria with emigration
                                     to US.  Since 1895, and even before, Japan
                                     had wanted to make Manchuria part
                                     of the Japanese Empire.  I don't believe
                                     you can say the same for emigrants to the
                                     \_ Yes, I am sure a different department
                                        in the War Ministry handled US
                                        \_ Japanese also emigrated to SE Asia
                                           to work as prostitutes.  I am sure
                                           the War Ministry had a hand in that
                                           too.  Not to mention emigration to
                                           Peru, etc.
                                           \_ Now, I am sure you are aware
                                              of the logical fallacy in your
                                              prostitution claim.
                                              \_ no I am not, please
                                                 \_ Emigration for prostitution
                                                    is different than emigration
                                                    for more legitimate reasons.
                                                    \_ If prostitutes managed to
                                                       emigrate without the
                                                       War Ministry's blessing,
                                                       so could other people,
                                                       (for instance, people
                                                       who emigrated to
                                                       escape poverty)
                                                       which puts a big hole
                                                       in your theory that
                                                       Japanese emigrants all
                                                       emigrated in the service
                                                       of Imperial Japan's
                                                       \_ Again, the logical
                                                          fallacies fly hard
                                                          and fast.  1. I
                                                          never said *all*
                                                          immigrants were in
                                                          the service of
                                                          Imperial Japan.
                                                          2. That all Japanese
                                                          emigre prostitutes
                                                          were unsupported by
                                                          the Japanese govner-
                                                          ment does not imply
                                                          that no other Japanese
                                                          emigres were supported
                                                          by the government.
                                     \_ Was there ever a country invaded by
                                        the Japanese in WW2 where the local
                                        Japanese immigrants did not provide
                                        material or logistic support to the
                                        invading force?
                                        \_ what are the countries where the
                                           local Japanese did provide
                                           support?  China?  Where else?
                                           \_ Korea, Hong Kong, Taiwan that I
                                              know of.  Now please come up with
                                              the counter examples.
                                              \_ I am not aware of many Japanese
                                                 in Hong Kong when the Japanese
                                                 invaded.  Taiwan was
                                                 a Japanese colony since 1895.
                                                 As for Korea, are you talking
                                                 about about Korea before or
                                                 after it became a Japanese
                                                 colony.  If after, it's
                                  \_ Hello, loser:  You have just written
                                     "what about this, what about that".  I am
                                     looking for "They were right to intern
                                     \_ It's so easy to speak from your
                                        air-conditioned office in front of
                                        a computer.  I envy you your
                                        \_ It's so easy to speak from your
                                           air-conditioned office in front of
                                           a computer.  I don't envy your lack
                                           of reading comprehension.
                                           I am looking for "They were right to
                                           intern Japanese-Americans".
                                           If you think that way, just write
                                           it down!  If you don't, write
                                           that down too!  All I'm getting is
                                           "I can understand why they did
                                           that" and "what about this, what
                                           about that".
                                           \_ If I knew what I would have
                                              known then, I would have done
                                              the same thing.
                                              \_ In hindsight, was it the right
                                                 thing to do?
                                                 \_ Hard to say.  I will
                                                    allow that some innocents
                                                    were caught up in the
                                                    internment.  Will I say
                                                    that everyone interned
                                                    were wrongly so?  No.
                                                    Would some of those
                                                    interned have provided
                                                    aid to the Japanese had
                                                    they the opportunity to
                                                    do so?  I suspect so.
                                                    Is the harm prevented
                                                    greater than the harm
                                                    created?  I don't know.
                                                    \_ You know you are being
                                                       misleading when you
                                                       say "some" innocents
                                                       were caught up in the
                                                       \_ What's so misleading
                                                          about "some"?  I
                                                          think "some" is
                                                          somewhere between
                                                          none and all.  Would
                                                          I believe that "most"
                                                          of the Japanese
                                                          immigrants here would
                                                          have provided aid
                                                          to a Japanese invasion
                                                          force?  Yes.
                [Keep in mind we are talking about American citizens of
                Japanese descent, not non-citizen Japanese residents]
                Lieutenant Commander Kenneth Ringle, a naval intelligence
                officer tasked with evaluating the loyalty of the Japanese
                American population, estimated in a 1941 report to his
                superiors that "better than 90% of the Nisei [second
                generation] and 75% of the original immigrants were completely
                loyal to the United States." A 1941 report prepared on
                Roosevelt's orders by Curtis B. Munson, special representative
                of the State Department, concluded that most Japanese nationals
                and "90 to 98 percent" of Japanese American citizens were
                loyal. He wrote: "There is no Japanese `problem' on the Coast
                ... There is far more danger from Communists and people of the
                Bridges type on the Coast than there is from Japanese."
                \_ Who are "people of the Bridges type"?
                   \_ Guess first, then read:
                \_ You mean this report?  http://csua.org/u/8z4
                   This is just the first thing google popped up searching
                   for "ringle japan".  It certainly does not say what you
                   claimed in your post.  Your URL please?
                   \_ http://csua.org/u/8z5 (Amazon.com page scan)
                      Read the rest of the page, and the next page, too.
                      Note that the point I am trying to convey to you is that
                      the vast majority of American citizens of Japanese
                      descent were loyal and were no threat to America.
                      \_ Actually, you meant the page before your reference.
                         Yours was a quote of Ringle.  Now I refer you to
                         mine, which is a part of the Ringle report itself
                         (http://csua.org/u/8z4  Where his conclusion is
                         3% (or 3500 people) are actively dangerous.
        \_ why it makes sense to order all Americans citizens of Japanese
           descent to report to your nearest detention facility!
        \_ All Americans of Arab descent will report to your nearest
           re-education facility, to be held until the War On Terror
           is over.
           \_ the scary thing is, this could very well happen.
              \_ I doubt it.  More likely is lots of Arabs are questioned
                 by the feds and iffy ones are surveiled, as if that might not
                 already be happening.  100% detention of any ethnic group
                 in America is highly unlikely, because of our prior experience
                 in this area with Japanese-American internment.
                 Yes, even if there is a nuclear detonation, I doubt there will
                 be 100% detention of American citizens of Arab descent,
                 although there will certainly be plenty of hate crimes.
2004/9/7 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan, Reference/History/WW2/Japan] UID:33396 Activity:nil
9/7     An oldie from Japan Today.  Asking random japanese people what
        they would do if they were foreigners.  Also a good page for
        disabusing people of the "All asians are hot" sterotype.
        \_ Not all Asians are hot.  Only Asian chicks are hot.
           \_ Well, the chicks on that page ain't too hot either.
2004/9/7 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan, Reference/History/WW2/Japan] UID:33382 Activity:insanely high
9/7     She has guts
        Malkin to speak.  Berkeley:
        \_ She probably won't be allowed to get past "Good Evening."
           Especially in this case I think the protesters would be better
           served letting her speak, since her ideas are mostly
           ridiculous, but a lot of Berkeley people just can't seem to
           help being obnoxious.
           \_ Yep.  Berkeley students don't have much respect for free speech.
              If the Daily Cal mentions her visit, the entire day's edition
              will probably be destroyed.  If she brings books with her,
              they'll most likely be burned.
        \_ I don't see how anyone can take her seriously, I read her book
           too.  I like how the guy at the end of the above story
           (who happens to be a crazed French immigrant, if that matters
           at all) says he's not convinced interning the Japanese in
           America in WW2 was such a bad thing. - danh
        \_ serious question: in the 40s, what would you do to help
           secure our safety?  I'm open to hearing different views
           \_ We should have imprisoned US residents originally from our
              enemies' ethnic or national origins, given enormous amounts
              of guns and financial aid to whoever was fighting them, ramped
              up industrial production like crazy people, then murderously
              battled them back inch by inch, island by island, hedgerow by
              hedgerow, while flattening their cities into blackened rubble
              and eventually turning whatever was left into glowing parking
              lots.  -John
           \_ We should have pulled out of the Pacific area.  The Japanese
              only used the attack at Pearl Harbor as a last resort to
              respond to our meddling in Asia.  They would have left us
              alone had we pulled out.
              \_ I think I see your reasoning, but remember that Japan and
                 Germany were allies; if the enemy of my enemy is my friend,
                 then the friend of my enemy is my enemy.
                 \_ We have no compelling interest in the defense of Europe.
                    Neither Japan nor Germany wanted to invade the US.  We
                    were the ones who drove Japan to war with us by our
                    discriminatory and crippling trade practices with them.
                    \_ Wow.  Evil motd today.  *golf clap* -- ilyas
              \_ That's really a 'hindsight is 20-20' suggestion.  At the time
                 we were interested in containing our aggressive rival.  Any
                 suggestion to pull back would probably have been seen as
                 uncalled for and cowardly.
                 \_ Someone asked how we could have secured our safety.  I
                    answered.  Would pulling out not be better for our
                    security and vastly preferable to a two-front war in
                    Europe and Asia?  The Axis powers were our enemy only
                    because we drove them to become our enemies.  They would
                    have gladly left us alone had we the wisdom to leave them
                    alone in turn.
                 \_ It's easier to think about the WW1 situation. We clearly
                    didn't have any particular need to go fight Germany then.
                    With the help of German diplomatic mistakes it was easy to
                    get the public to go along and help fight a meaningless
                    political war that set the stage for WW2.
                \_ it's impossible to pull out after Pearl Harbor. The Japs
                   were stupid to attack Pearl Harbor. If they had just kept
                   quiet in the Pacific then they'd have a much better chance
                   of dominating the Pacific.
                   \_ The Japanese also attacked America's colony
                      in the Far East and attacked and killed Americans
        \_ The Japanese should have won. Then the world would be much more
           Asian friendly than it is now.
           \_ Japanese penis so small.
        \_ I think you're all missing the point, or at least my point,
           that Michelle Malkin is totally nuts and doesn't have
           a very deep understanding of history.   If you take her
           argument that there were several Japanese on the west coast
           and they could have caused trouble, that makes little sense.
           The people who managed the interning of the Japanese population
           did not have access to and did not know about any secret
           MAGIC Japanese military communications.  The true naval
           threat to the US, the germany navy, was very active off
           of the east coast, in the Atlantic, I have read that several
           German and Italian Americans lived on the east coast, why
           weren't they forcefully uprooted and kept in the middle
           of nowhere?  The whole fake controversy sounds like a David
           Horowitz brainstorm, does anyone really truly care today
           about reperations paid to Japanese Americans?  I never heard
           of someone writing that the internment was misunderstood
           until recently.  Does anyone remember how David Horowitz
           raised a shitstorm several years ago about reperations
           to slaves? - danh
           \_ ok i amend the above, a few italians and germans were
              interned.  not 120k of them - danh
           \_ David Horowitz will never be able to get over the fact that he
              was once a Black Panther associate and a self-styled left wing
              "radical."  He breathes the fire of the born again.  He's a
              bloviator for sure.
           \_ That you haven't heard anything about it before means nothing.
              A majority of those detained were either Japanese expatriates
              or Japanese dual citizens.  Some of these even
              returned to Japan to fight against the US.
              In other countries conquered by the Japanese the members
              of the expatriate communities were quick to establish
              Japanese surrogate governments.
              The Pacific fleet was completely destroyed, invasion was
              a very real possiblity.  Any credible military commander
              would have considered internment.  It made sense at the time,
              just as detaining German and Italian citizens did.
              \_ Reagan was fooled into apologizing for internment by a stacked
                 pro-reparations commission!
              \_ http://csua.org/u/8yf (wikipedia)
                 "Among academics, the broad historical consensus is that the
                 camps were indeed a product of wartime hysteria and racism
                 rather than arising from legitimate fears of sabotage."
                 -- When it occurred at a time I didn't live, and the area
                 has been researched this well, and I don't smell bias, and
                 historians who lived in this time came to this consensus, I
                 believe broad historical consensus, not a conservative
                 young-un born in 1970.
2004/8/27-28 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan, Reference/History/WW2/Japan] UID:33191 Activity:very high
8/27    What is it about Japan and Robots? Robotech, Mr. Roboto song,
        Honda Asimo, Sony Aibo, and all the weird Japanese robot movies.
        What's up with that?
        \_ Uhm, Styx wasn't japanese.
           \_ Yes, but they were making the same point.
        \_ I, Lobot!
        \_ Wow you're right! I bet no one ever noticed that before.
        \_ RACIST!
2004/8/26-27 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan, Reference/History/WW2/Japan] UID:33173 Activity:very high
8/26    How come nihon is spelled as Nippon?
        \_ Both are used in Japanese; "nippon" is the older and more formal
           pronounciation.  --mconst
        \_ Both are used in Japanese; "nippon" is the more traditional and
           formal pronounciation.  --mconst
        \_ I heard that "Nihon" was a modern (informal) creation to soften
           the "harsh" sound of the original word. --dbushong
           \_ The Daijirin dictionary dates both back to before 1200 AD.
        \_ Hiragana -> romanji is not a 1-1 mapping. -- ilyas
           \_ Actually, it is 1-1 mapping... except for the fact that there
              are more than one mapping.  Most commonly used mapping now is
              Hepburn system.  Either way, kana->romanji mapping has nothing
              to do with the OP's question.  "Japan," written as "day/sun"
              "main/true/book" is read both ways.
                       \_ romaji
                          \_ Heh, the word 'romaji/romanji' is the instance
                             of the same problem.  I have seen it spelled both
                             ways by Japanese.  Not a 1-1 mapping. -- ilyas
                             \_ I've seen intelligent educated people confuse
                                they're and their.  Your conclusion is
                                \_ I don't know if I'd be so mean about it but,
                                   yes. "Romaji" is a Japanese word and it's
                                   spelling in kana could not be reasonably
                                   transcribed as "romanji" in English.
                                   -- ulysses
                                   \_ Except by Tokyo-ites, who have the
                                      annoying habit of adding a nasal sound
                                      before voiced consonants.  "chigau"
                                      (meaning "that's not right") often
                                      becomes "chingau," and some people will
                                      spell it that way in romaji. --erikred
2004/8/25-26 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan] UID:33138 Activity:nil
8/25    More Japan Today funnies.  Apparently no one in Japan knows who
        the heck Bobby Fischer is.
2004/7/16 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Israel] UID:32317 Activity:high
7/16    American hero against communism, chess genius, and freedom player,
        arrested in Japan for deportation to U.S.:
        \_ Talented nutjob caught using revoked passport, will be returned
           to face charges for violating a different law.
           \_ "talented" is quite an understatement. He may or may not face charges
              for playing in YugoSlavia when they were under sanction.  Probably
              will, but it sucks if so.  They should leave him alone.  -phuqm
        \_ Hey, don't forget anti-Semite!
           \_"Of course I am not anti-Semitic. The Arabs are Semites, and I
              am certainly not anti-Arab" --Bobby Fisher
           \_ Hey, don't forget Jew!
              \_ Hey!  It's another self-hating jew!
2004/6/29-30 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan, Science/GlobalWarming] UID:31061 Activity:nil
6/29    What can I say?  I love japantoday.  Get your surreal ignorance
        here! http://www.japantoday.com/e/?content=popvox&id=493
        (Asking who or what should take the lead in World Affairs)
        \_ Shinya Kato thinks the world just needs to smoke some sweet
           Jamaican ganja.
           \_ I bet he gets along well with Anri.
        \_ my favorite: "The world needs an organization that can combine
           the progressiveness of the Dutch with the Yee-Ha Ass-kicking
           instincts of the the current US Govt."
2004/6/19-20 [Recreation/Dating, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan] UID:30917 Activity:nil
6/18    http://www.japantoday.com/e/?content=popvox&id=490 w00t!
        (Ask Japan speaks about human trafficking)
2004/6/9 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan, Reference/History/WW2/Japan] UID:30691 Activity:very high
6/9     Another from http://www.japantoday.com
        A Japanese human rights activist who was taken captive
        in Iraq in April filed a lawsuit Tuesday against the government
        seeking 5 million yen in damages on grounds that his ordeal was
        caused by Japan's dispatch of troops to the country.
        \_ Given what happened to those folks on returning to Japan, this might
           just be a rhetorical lawsuit to slap some sense into his or her
           fellow Nihonjin. It won't work. -- ulysses
        \_ can his balls be any smaller?
           \_ RACIST!
        \_ 5 million yen = $50k.  It's a symbolic gesture.
        \_ He's an idiot.  He was told not to go there in the first place
           before he went.  It's not even a symbolic gesture.  It's a stunt.
2004/6/4 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan, Politics/Domestic/SocialSecurity] UID:30591 Activity:very high
6/4     How did Asians and Pacific Islanders get in the same "racial
        grouping?"  There's no cultural connection at all.
        \_ They're all colored folk, duh!
        \_ Read a book.  Race is based on genetics not how you party.
           \_ Ok, then give me a reasonably strong genetic link between
              Pasific Islanders, Indians, and Japanese.  Oh, and where do
              guys like Aboriginies fit in?  They're black but not
              \_ Australia and the Pacific islands were all settled by
                 people from southeast Asia.
                 \_ He was trying to make a point and you had to bring some
                    trivial and easy to find facts into this.  WTF is wrong
                    with you?  Why are you taking away his right to hate?
                    \_ Sheesh, so was North America, what aren't Native
                       Americans considered asians?  Heck, if you're gonna
                       argue about origins, we all came from Africa.
                       \_ NA aren't asian because they go too far back to
                          that link and due to isolation have become a distinct
                          people not just on a grand scale but between major
                          tribal groups.  The Navajo of today has very little
                          in common with his Asian ancestor of 5k to 10k years
                          ago.  Origins count but drift due to time and
                          isolation creates new races.  If you really want to
                          be that way about it, there is no such thing as race.
                          Humans like to classify things even if they are
                          artificial.  However, since we know from medical
                          research that difference races react differently to
                          different drugs and other procedures there really
                          are different races which most believed formed after
                          the out-of-Africa event or time period.
          \_ If you are really interested in race, there is a good SciAm
             article on it recently, that is well worth reading.  I think I
             was able to find a non-pay link to the text at one point.  i'll
             see if i can dig it up. -phuqm
2004/6/3-4 [Recreation/Dating, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan] UID:30581 Activity:high
6/3     http://www.usatoday.com/usatonline/20040603/6255200s.htm
        "The good men are all married," writer Junko Sakai says. "Those left
        behind are all nerds or without jobs or violent or not nice-looking."
        \_ http://www.keithwatanabe.net (I rest my case.)
        \_ that's good, at least there's an 'or' between 'nerds' and 'jobs'.
        \_ "She says Japanese men sometimes propose to women with lines like:
            'I want you to cook miso soup for me the rest of my life.'"
           This is a _very_ traditional way to ask a woman to marry you. The
           words themselves are virtually meaningless now.  I was skeptical
           of the article to begin with, but this overt lack of cultural
           context cinches it.
           \_ cool!  I will try that line on the next hot japanese babe I meet.
           \_ So what exactly do you disagree with in the article?
              \_ She misses the point that the good women are all married, too.
                 If you're 30+ and not married, you're not a good prospect for
                 \_ So not only are the leftover men not good prospects, but
                    the leftover women aren't either?
                    \_ Correct.  All the leftovers get to live angst ridden
                       lives like Sex in the City and suffer one bad attempt
                       at having a relationship after another because they're
                       undeserving of anything better and wouldn't know it if
                       they had better anyway.  That's what makes them left-
                       overs and poor prospects.  It's self-fulfilling.
2004/6/3 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan] UID:30576 Activity:high
6/3     This is pretty cool, I especially like the 2nd guy's answer.  No
        Oh yeah, and from the same page, but creepy as only Japan can be.
        \_ No wonder so many gaijin flock to Japan to teach English.
           \_ What's truly sad is that Christopher Goto almost certainly has
              a girlfriend.
              \_ Who?
                 \_ Obviously you didn't open the link.
                    \_ I POSTED the link.  I just didn't pay that much
                       attention tothe fat guy's name.
2004/6/3 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan] UID:30569 Activity:very high
6/3     I notice a lot of foreigners say "Oiii." Is that our equivalent of
        "hey" or "dude"?
        \_ It's spelled "Oy!"
        \_ Do you mean the French for "yes"?
           \_ that would be "oui"
        \_ I believe it's the Japanese.
        \_ Aussies, Brits, and the occasional Kiwi say "Oi." Mel Brooks says
           "Oy."  Japanese punks say "Oiii."  In the first and last, it's like
           our "hey!" but in the second, it's more like "oh, brother."
        \_ I like "aiya!". Even the blacks, hispanics and whites say it
           at the poker card club
           \_ That one gets a lot of international play: aiyaiyai, or aiya,
              either way.
2004/6/3 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:30566 Activity:nil
6/3     Powell: Iraq Will Have No Veto on U.S.-Led Force
        In other words, do what we want you to do, or we will remove you
        by force.
        \_ The US has never granted another power control over our military.
           That would be... stupid.  What's new?  Our men rape Japanese women
           every other years and what happens?  Nothing.  Why aren't you here
           bitching about that and blaming BushCo?
2004/6/1 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan, Reference/History/WW2/Japan] UID:30518 Activity:very high
6/1     hmm, the thread got deleted before I could admit I was wrong.
        Japan *did* offer to "surrender" before the dropping of the bombs.
        On the condition that they maintain sovereignty.  The eventual
        surrender, was, though, still conditioned on the continued titular
        reign of the emperor.  -phuqm
        \_ Once the bombs fell, and Stalin decided he wanted a piece of the
           pie, Japan just surrendered.  The Emperor was kept because the
           Americans thought keeping him would ease the occupation. -- ilyas
           \_ I agree that the Americans thought it may be advantageous to
              keep him, that doesn't change the fact that it was a requested
              and accepted condition. -phuqm
              \_ http://www.law.ou.edu/hist/japsurr.html  Search for
                 'unconditional'. -- ilyas
                        \_ I may possibly be unduly stretching the idea of
                        "conditional", but (see the other link) it does
                         still appear to me that they asked for it, and if
                         they did, and we implicitely accepted this
                         condition (even if we would have allowed it
                         anyway), then it is conditional regardless of how
                         many times the surrender document signed by some
                         general says "unconditional".
                         The roads are called "highways" in the legal code
                         However if you say that it is legal for you to
                         ride your bicycle on the highways, I will still
                         argue with you. -phuqm
              \_ It was not requested.  The idea of surrender was so out there
                 for most members of the public (although not for several
                 of the Jap cabinet, like PM Suzuki)--you have to remember
                 that the Emperor's voice had not even been heard in public
                 for years before a recording of his reading the surrender
                 was played on Japanese radio.  It barely occurred to anyone
                 that the Emperor might not be around at some point.
                 MacArthur saw it as a wise move to use some parts of the
                 Japanese authority structure to ease occupation.  -John
            \_ This is untrue.  The japanese were beseeching the Russians
               to change sides until the last days of the war.  The Japanese
               Imperial Army was almost completely intact in Indochina with
               several army groups.
        \_ phuqm, please post a link or reference for your belif.  I have
           never read anything that suggested the Japanese unconditional
           surrender was really conditioned on the continuation of the
           Emperor, although I have read the opposite several times.
           Link?  -jrleek
        \_ This is untrue.  The japanese were beseeching the Russians
           to change sides until the last days of the war.  The Japanese
           Imperial Army was almost completely intact in Indochina with
           several army groups.
               \_ This is from your link: "...the Emperor must be
                  left on the Imperial Throne. The Allies replied
                  that the Emperor would be subject to the Allied
                  Occupation Commander."  Now, i'm well aware that
                  it was called an "unconditional surrender" (and
                  was before i typed the above), but the above is
                  a CONDITION that that was requested and accepted.
                  The fact that he was subject to the Allied Command
                  is irrelevant to my point accept that it
                  ACKNOWLEDGES the fact that the position WILL
                  continue to exist (the condition).
                 --Having read Ilyas' link, though, i'd have to say
                   that my postion is weaker than that article makes
                   out, the only support being an explicit reference
                   to "The authority of the Emperor" (which again is
                   assumed in the legal document, as it is being
                   put down).  -phuqm
                   \_ Really, the problem is that this isn't a reasonable
                      debate.  Go read any comprehensive history of the
                      Japanese Occupation.  It's very clear the MacAurthur
                      had the power to remove the emperor, he just
                      descided not to.  The effect was similar though, the
                      emperor was demoted from divine to amusing
                      tradition.  Hence the nearly completely secular
                      Japan we have today. -jrleek
                        \_ if they removed the Emperor the Japanese would
                           have fought to the very last man, and the entire
                           country would have been a giant graveyard.  My great-
                           grandmother was trained with all her fellow villagers
                           with bamboo spears to fight the American invaders,
                           because they were sure the Americans were going to
                           come into the country raping and pillaging.  -brain
                                \_ uh, are you a mix? you sure don't look
                                   like a Nip.          -pro atomic bomb man
                           \_ I'm not exactly sure about how it would have
                              come about, but I think any removal would
                              have been well after the surrender.  That
                              would make it seem a bit late for the bamboo
                              spears.  Especially since the Emperor was
                              responsible for the surrender.  That site
                              mentions that there was an attempted coup to
                              keep fighting, but I think the regular
                              people would have gone with the emperor.
                              That is, no bamboo spears.  Plus, the
                              Americans came bearing food... -jrleek
                        \_ people have the "power" to break many
                           agreements they make, or laws enacted.  That
                           has little relevance to this arg. -phuqm
                           \_ So, basically you believe there was some
                              kind of secret deal made with Emperor that
                              has been kept so secret for the last 60
                              years you're the only one who knows about
                              it?  In that case, I guess you're right. I
                              can't argue with that. -jrleek
                      \_ wasn't emperor just an amusing figure head
                         through long periods of japan's history?
                         wasn't shogun the guy with real power?  even
                         during ww2, emperor only has limited power,
                         \_ Somewhat correct.  Even when the Emperor had no
                            actual power (under the Tokugawa Shogunate), he
                            was respected as the divine son of Heaven. The
                            rallying cry of the Meiji Restoration (which
                            removed the Shogunate from power) was the renewed
                            respect for the authority of the Emperor. After
                            the Meiji Restoration, the Emperor was perceived
                            as the beloved father-figure and leader of all
                            Japan, even though the actual running of the war
                            was done by Tojo and his upper level circle of
                            officers.  The repudiation of the policies of that
                            inner circle is what allows the Emperor to both
                            admit culpability (and mortality) while still
                            remaining Emperor.
                         \_ That's what the emperor wanted the world to believe
                            when he surrendered.
                            \_ the ww2 emperor does have some power, more
                               so than the emperors under say tokugawa
                               shogunate, but even his power is rather
                            \_ the emperor is an important figurehead- he
                                is directly decended from gods.  To maintain a
                                valid claim to power, you have to have the
                                emperor still alive.  What the Meiji Restoration
                                was about was the emperor siezing back his
                                power from the shogun, with the backing of some
                                of the larger houses and the merchants who
                                would directly benefit from the new reforms
                                he hadin mind.          -brain
2004/5/31-6/1 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan, Reference/History/WW2/Japan] UID:30517 Activity:high
5/31    According to the History Channel, in WW2, the Japanese targetted
        mainly at big targets (battleships, cruisers, military airfields,
        etc) so didn't really hit civilian ships (food, support, etc)
        the way Germans did with their U-boats. In contrast the US targetted
        a lot of Japanese civilian sites. Why didn't the Japanese do the
        same thing? Were they afraid of retaliation or something?
        \_ The Japanese couldn't.  The Japanese correctly determined that they
           needed to destroy the American carriers first, which they failed to
           do (while losing theirs) at Midway.  Before Midway, they didn't have
           the control of the seas necessary to target infrastructure.  After
           Midway, they had bigger problems. -- ilyas
           \_ They had control of the seas prior to June 1942, and used it
              to attack any infrastructure they could (Philippines, India,
              Singapore, Australia, China, etc.)  Fact is that there wasn't
              nearly as much commercial or large-scale civilian shipping in
              the western Pacific for them to attack.  As for the carriers,
              imperial naval war games had seen their destruction as a
              "nice to have", but weren't particularly concerned when they
              realized that Adm. Kimmel had ordered them out of Pearl Harbor.
              The Japanese advances in 1942 were more focused on securing a
              buffer "rampart" against American attacks on Japanese oil
              transports from the Dutch E. Indies than the actual offensive
              destruction of US power after 1941.  Midway was just another
              attempt to deny the US a forward base, rather than part of
              a strategic offensive against US shipping or the W. Coast. -John
              \_ There was shipping, it's just that after the Japanese
                 simultaneously attacked Pearl Harbor, Malaya, Dutch
                 E. Indies and the Philippines, all civilian shipping
                 in the Western Pacific, South China Sea and the Strait of
                 Melaka, except those serving Japanese interest, pretty
                 much stopped.  I would bet there were still some ships
                 going from India to Australia, and from Australia to
                 the US though.
                 the US though.  Also, the Japanese had their hands full
                 protecting their own shipping, and did have have
                 protecting their own shipping, and did not have have
                 the resources to send uboats all over the Pacific
                 and Indian Oceans.  Compared to Germany, Japan is
                 much less self sufficient in terms of resources.
                 \_ Hence "not nearly as much".  The Japanese also never had
                    a coherent submarine strategy.  -John
        \_ Because most of the fighting took place in their waters.
        \_ Don't forget what the Japanese did in Korea and China.
           \_ also Burma and the Philippines.
        \_ The Japanese didn't have the resources. They were fighting a land
           war in Asia and they couldn't forward base any naval power (as
           America would be able to do in Austrailia). Attacks against America
           were limited to military targets out of necessity. Attempts to
           strike the US mainland were nearly non-existant. The goal was to
           control the Pacific, not to conquer the US.
2004/5/25 [Computer/Companies/Ebay, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan] UID:30404 Activity:high
5/24    Richard Biggs (played Dr. Franklin on Babylon 5) died this week at age
        41 (unknown cause--likely a massive stroke or aneurysm).  He leaves
        behind a wife and two children.  There are auctions on eBay to go to
        memorial fund: http://tinyurl.com/2az5w
        Donations can be made by PayPal:
        PayPal Account:  RBiggsMemorial@aol.com
        \_ This makes news on the motd vs. Alistair Cook's passing a couple
           months previous?
           \_ Most sodans never heard his "Letters From America" off BBC News.
           \_ A sudden death of a young person is always more news.
        \_ Why does an actor's family need donations?
           \_ Well, he's not a big time rich actor.  I suppose they aren't
              doing much better than middle class.  Although why you'd
              want to donate money for ANYONE's funeral, I don't know.
              \_ It's a Japanese tradition to contribute funds to offset the
                 costs of a funeral for a relative or close associate; It's
                 called "koden".  Not that Biggs' family is Japanese, but
                 there's precedent.  In Western funerals, people send 50-100
                 dollars of flowers, why not send money to help pay for the
                 casket instead or for the costs of burial/cremation?
2004/5/6 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan, Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:30059 Activity:very high
5/6     Rush Limbaugh on the Abu Ghraib incidents:
        \_ Got a transcript? I can't listen to him at work.
           \_ Got a transcript?  I can't listen to him.
           \_ Partial transcript here:
        \_ Despicable, and one more reason conservatives should abandon Rush.
           Compare that to Glenn Beck's comments that he supports the troops
           but would like to spit in the face of the soldiers who did this.
        \_ Wow.  Talk about taking things out of context.  When will he start
           saying that the prisoners were having fun too?
           \_ "When you invade a country, you have to break some eggs.
               My enemies are blowing this out of proportion, to get to ME."
                  -Dick Cheney
                   \-"The Iraqis should be glad they were abused by Americans.
                      If they had been abused by Italians for Japanese, then
                      it would have been even more humiliating." -D. Cheney
           \_ Well, the (not so) silent majority of Americans think they are.
2004/4/30-5/1 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan] UID:13510 Activity:kinda low
4/30    Now do you still sympathize with the Japanese hostages?  They call
        their captors resistance fighters who acted in self-defense.
        http://tinyurl.com/39l6e        (yahoo AP)
        \_ Yes.
        \_ yes.  For all pratical purpose, their kidnap is just part of their
           resistance toward occupation.
        \_ Just because they're stupid doesn't mean I don't sympathize
           with them.  I know many stupid people.
        \_ This story is interesting.  Just reading your description, I
           thought, Stockholm syndrome, so what?  But the gist of it is that
           their captors didn't threaten them with death every day, like
           they did with the European hostages.  I can understand why the
           Japanese police didn't believe their stories:  these two guys
           are idiots, at least.
        \_ No, of course not.  If you stick your hand in a meat grinder, we
           all know you'll get your hand turned into hamburger.  If they got
           tortured and killed I might feel badly for their families.
2004/4/22 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan] UID:13335 Activity:nil
4/22    What the hell is wrong with the Japanese?
        [URL fixed]
        \_ If I believed in god, at this point i would thank God that I was
           born an American.  I'm particularly dissapointed by Koizumi.  Who
           would have thought a heavy metal fan could be such a pussy?
        \_ Well, anyone who wonders why politics are all screwed up in
           Japan, you can read this.
        \_ japanese are weird.
        \_ don't have NYtimes account.
           \_ guest_ / guest_
           \_ csuamotd / csuamotd
              \_ oh...thanks.
        \_ Were they sent by the govt?  if not, they were really on their
           own and were responsible their safety.
           \_ They went on their own.  The point is that they're being
              criticized and ostracized for going against the government's
              reccomendation to stay away.  In this country, I like to think
              we'd show a little sympathy for people who went through all that
              when trying to do a good deed, even if it was reckless.
              \_ They brought dishonor and trouble to Japan, duh. The solution
                 is ritual self-disembowelment.
                 \_ With a rusty spoon?
        \_ freepers are the norm in japan!
           \_ You are an idiot.  Freepers aren't statists.  No really, you
              are an idiot.  Go dig your own grave and kill yourself, and rid
              us of your stupidity.  Freepers aren't statists.
              \_ if you call him an idiot it won't help.  he just hasn't
                 ever gone to the site probably.  I really really hate
                 freepers for unrelated reasons, but the above poster
                 definitely has no idea what he's talking about.
                 \_ i know exactly what i'm talking about, i know how a
                    freeper differs from what's discussed in the article,
                    and i know how they're similar.  but mostly, i was
                    trolling for freepers.
                    \_ good work then!  you seem to have succeeded.
        \_ Well, though I don't think they deserve ALL the criticism they got,
           there is something to be said about fools who go into a tight spot
           without knowing what they are doing and the abillity to make a
           positive difference.  Do you remember the "human shields" from
           Germany who want to keep our army of liberation off Iraq?
2004/4/2-3 [Politics/Domestic/911, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan] UID:12995 Activity:high
4/2     http://tinyurl.com/2h3cv
        "Russia said in February that it was developing a so-called
        hypersonic missile technology capable of piercing the United
        States' system. But Mr. Ishiba said he did not believe that a
        shield would encourage other countries to develop missiles that
        would defeat the system. "If you launch a missile and it gets
        shot down," he said, "you give up missile production." "
        ** Huh? **
        \_ saying that if the non-hypersonic missiles get shot down
           why bother with missiles
        \_ Maybe he's trying to say there's cheaper ways of fucking us up.
           \_ The argument for missle defense is not that it will be
              perfect. That's stupid.  The argument goes more like: (as a
              metaphor)  Despite the locks on your door, thieves can
              metaphor)  Despite the locks on your door, theives can
              break in and steal.  Should you therefore leave the door
              \_ I've never felt safer than when i lived just up from a crazy
                 biker dude who left his front door literally wide open all
                 the time.  if anyone wanted to rob our place, they'd probably
                 the ceiling.  the DETERENCE of the mad biker was much more
                 just wander in the front door and get blasted straight through
                 the cieling.  the DETERENCE of the mad biker was much more
                 \_ Ok you're safer from random violence. But psycho biker may
                    attract violence, or somehow harm you. I'd rather just live
                    in a normal neighborhood and take steps.
                 useful than a locked door.  deterence has worked with nuclear
                 weapons for half a century as well.
              \_ How much have we spent on Star Wars? $100B? $200B?
                 \_ About $2b total, mostly in basic research to get where we
                    are today.  Please stop inventing random numbers.  With $2b
                    they wouldn't be *any* safer after the union driven harbors
                    got their fingers in the pie.
                 How much safer could our harbors and airports be
                 for that much money?
              \_ But it'd be easier for a terrorist to sneak a nuclear
                 device in the same way drugs get in here from South
                 America.  So the argument is more like: What good is
                 locking your door if you've got a gaping hole in your
                 wall big enough to drive a car through?
                 \_ Umm, not exactly.  Nice red herring though.  We have
                    something of a defense against that.  It sucks, but
                    it's not nothing.  We have NO defense against
                    \_ But what's the bigger threat?  Terrorists are
                       the main bad guys these days, and they don't
                       usually go for (expensive) ICBMs when they have
                       cheaper and simpler options.
                       \_ The red herring here is that we should/can only
                          \_ No, the red herring is that a $30 lock is
                             analagous to a $200 billion missile defense
                             system.  The missile defense system is simply
                             not cost-effective; a lock on your door is.
                             \_ What is the cost of a city getting incinerated?
                                I suspect more than $200b.  What is the cost
                                of your house getting robbed?  I suspect less
                                than $200b.  You're struggling with the concept
                                of appropriate levels of response.  The correct
                                level for keeping a city from turning to ashes
                                is much higher than for your bike parked out
                                on telegraph.
                          defend against a single threat.  The reality is that
                          we should try to defend against all threats.  Natn'l
                          defense is not an either-or proposition.
                       \_ That's true that terrorists are the bigger
                          threat, but that's doesn't make them the ONLY
                          threat.  We're working on how to stop
                          terrorists, but don't be fooled into thinking
                          that NK, China, or even Russia are completely
                          neutralized.  With the lazer 747 we can help
                          defend Japan and SK against the North.
                          \_ what do you mean "even russia"?  russia
                             is still the only country that can
                             incinerate the entire USA if it so chooses.
                             strong man putin is pulling russia back
                             on its feet, and in this era of cheap
                             labor and high material costs, the vast
                             land and riches of mother russia is
                             going to benefit russia tremendously.
                             the russian bear shall rise again!
                             \_ "incinerate the entire USA".  So you think a
                                country that can potentially only incinerate
                                the west coast such as China or NK isn't a
                                threat?  btw, russia is still going through the
                                death throes of self destruction.  they are
                                not yet in a recovery phase.
                                \_ you are out of date.  russia is very
                                   much into recovery.  It is using the
                                   formula of get rich first with capitalism
                                   under strong authoritarian leadership
                                   \_ russia is fucked.  their last election
                                      was a total joke.  they're teetering on
                                      the edge of dictatorship (again) and now
                                      they have a broken military *and*
                                      terrorists beating on their doors at
                                      the same time.  i'm not out of date.  im
                                      right here in 2004.  you're living in the
                                      hey day of post-communism but before they
                                      saw how hard the road to freedom really
                                      is.  oh yeah and their environment was
                                      and still is *devastated* from what the
                                      communists did to it which makes our
                                      worst problems look like a fairy land of
                                      healthy goodness.  russia = fux0red.
                       cheaper and simpler options.
                                \_ you are out of date.  russia is very
                                   much into recovery.
                                   followed by US allies like Japan, S. Korea,
                                   Taiwan, Singapore, etc.  when these nations
                                   were in a similar stage of development.
2004/3/15-16 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan] UID:12684 Activity:nil
3/15    I don't know if this is old news or what, but I found this exhibit
        about Perry's visit to Japan very interesting.
2004/3/11 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan, Reference/History/WW2/Japan] UID:12625 Activity:very high 80%like:12624
3/11    Did Japan ever have a chance of winning WWII?
        \_ I don't know about Germany, but Japan really should have stopped
           in 1931 and consolidated its gains of Korea and Manchuria.  It
           could've been 3 times its current size in area and population.
           \_ If you can read some of the Japanese text, you will know that
              the reason why Japanese continue to fight China is because
              Japanese know very well that they can't consolidate their
              gains in Manchuria unless China is fully subdued.
              \_ yea, written by those same Japanese who thought they
                 could attack US and still win the war.  The Japanese
                 warmongering militarists wrote that cause they need
                 war to advance their careers and keep them in power.
                 \_ Both sides underestimated each other. The US never thought
                    Japan would attack. Japan thought the US would roll over.
           \_ I agree.  But the American industrial machine would have
              been to strong.
              \_ They are not at war with the US, and not even with
                 China.  War restarted with China in 1937 when Japan
                 invaded other parts of China.
           \_ They had food, but they needed oil and rubber.
              \_ Not if they didn't start another war with China by
                 invading in 1937.  US is happily trading with Japan
                 until like a year before 1941?
                 \_ yup, selling scrap metals, oils, and all the good stuff
                    which fueled Japanese imperial army's machinary.
           \_ i dont' understand this, why so many people on MOTD *WISH*
              Japan has consolidated their conquest?
              \_ motd full of crazy asian people.  My car so haaaaa!
              \_ I don't think wish is the key word.
        \_ No. The Japanese wanted the US to accept their annexation of
           southeast Asia, making them the major power of the Pacific. The US
           would never have agreed to cede that region to Japan. The US had
           claimed the Pacific as their ocean.
           \_ Philippines was a US Colony.  If Japan invades the Philippines,
              it is declaring war on the US
              \_ Wrong part of SE Asia. Think Indonesia. Oil and rubber. The
                 Japanese would never had touched US territories if the US
                 hadn't put the hammer down on trade. SE Asia had most of what
                 Japan had been trading for with the US.
                 \_ skipping the Philippines and Taiwan to get to
                    Indonesia is strange.  Indonesia is south of
                    the Philippines.
                    \_ Yes, you are correct. Lesson time! US no trade -> Japan
                       must find other oil -> Oil in SE Asia -> Japan knows US
                       not let Japan get oil -> Japan invade PI, maybe Hawaii
                       to scare US -> Japan screw up in Hawaii -> US eventually
                       kick Japan ass.
2004/2/26-27 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan, Computer/SW/OS/Windows] UID:12413 Activity:nil
02/26   Microsoft Japan office Raided By Japan's Fair Trade Commission
        http://csua.org/u/66e  (bloomberg)
        \_ It's on slashdot.  Go post there if you care.
           \_ Not everyone on the motd reads /., and the story is still
              deeply satisfying.
              \_ Now that they know the story is there they can go there.
2004/1/29-31 [Reference/History/WW2/Japan, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan] UID:12012 Activity:moderate
1/29    "Lost in Translation"  was it really that good?  Nominated for best
        picture.  I haven't seen it yet. Will our fabulous motd movie critic
        give us a review?  Thanks.
        \_ I thought it blew chunks, but I was in the minority I guess.
           Scarlett Johansenn (sp?) is just not that good an actress, and as
           much as I love Bill Murray he had scarcely anything to do.  This
           is besides the fact that it recycles yet again some really tired
           cliches about Japan.  However, the Academy Awards picks this year
           are on the whole amazingly good (3 nominations for City of God!!!).
           In fact I'd be surprised if most Americans had a chance to see
           most of the nominated movies.
           \_ Seabiscuit? ... SEABISCUIT?!
              \_ "on the whole"...of course they had to nominate some crap,
                 but notice that Harvey Weinstein Oscar Bait (tm) like Cold
                 Mountain mostly got snubbed.  Hey usually the Oscars are
                 100% Seabiscuit-like, so I was impressed.
                 \_ Seabiscuit is one of the best movies I have seen in
                    the past few years and deserves to win. The "crap"
                    that was nominated was ROTK (and its predecessors).
                    \_ I agree with you, in part.  LOTR sucked monkey nuts.
                       Sea Biscuit is not fit to clean stables with.
                       \_ I think soda has got to be one of the only
                          places where you will find people that dislike
                          the LoTR movies.  Odd, that.
                          \_ It's not necessarily "dislike."  It's just that
                             there are so many better choices.
                             \_ I liked them all, but they are not worthy
                                of an Oscar. If they are then Raiders of
                                the Lost Ark should've swept the Oscars, baby!
                       \_ Just when you thought the trolls were safely stowed
                          in the movie....
        \_ Good?  Yes.  Best Picture?  No.
        \_ I thought it was interestingly ambiguous, but not wholly
           satisfying.  -tom
        \_ Good.  Not great.  IMO, Academy voters voted this in because
           Bill Murray's character said "I want to eat healthier ... eat
           Japanese food", and all the fatties agreed.
        \_ I thoroughly enjoyed it, but then I did live in Japan for six
           years, which probably explains why the rest of the audience didn't
           laugh as hard as I did.  Best Picture?  I don't know about that...
           Bill Murray does the sad clown very well. --erikred
        \_ For a relaxing time, make it Suntory Time.
           \_ Have any Sodans tried Suntory Whiskey?  How is it?
              \_ Overpriced and mediocre. Many salary-men drink it watered
                 down (mizu-wari), which is even worse.
        \_ Do you like the feeling of alienation?
        \_ review in comic form: http://www.geocities.com/cogsci127/lint.gif
        \_ I think it is amusing that all the whities that have been to
           Japan say that it is a good study of Japanese culture, while
           the Japanese claim that it is racist.
           \_ Funny I haven't heard that from my own pool of whities. All of
              those I know who have been to Japan including myself say it's
              a great film for the experience of being in metro Japan - that's
              different from being a "good study of Japanese culture".
           \_ Funny, I've heard P.C. white people saying it's racist, and
              Japanese people saying they didn't find anything offensive.
           \_ My Japanese wife thought it was hilarious. Neither of us think
              it's a good study of Japanese culture. It's a good study of
              what it's like to be jet-lagged and culture-shocked in Tokyo.
              It's not racist-- the gag is that Bill Murray is confused and
              tired, not that the Japanese are weird. --erikred
                \_ Dude.  Sorry.  They are weird.  Nice, terribly civilized,
                   very polite, cultured, but fucking weird.  -John
                   \_ Actually, the culture is majorly fucked up, and
                      the "weirdness" is the natural result of that.
                   \_ This coming from the man who lives in Switzerland?
                      I think we're back to the pot-kettle relationship.
                      ...nothing against Switzerland, mind you, I'm just
                      saying....  --erikred
                \_ A brief look at, say, Japanese cartoons makes me think,
                   wow, Japan is the weirdest country ever. I mean, there's
                   some seriously bizarre stuff. Then I think, well, we in
                   America watch a cartoon starring a sponge wearing pants,
                   and I think pot, kettle, black.
                   \_ While I agree with you in principle, I hafta say; I've
                      never seen DVDADO tentacle porn featuring underage
                      virginal school girls in any popular american animation.
                      The Japanese certainly seem to have some strange...err...
                      never seen DVDADO tentacle porn on underage virginal
                      school girls in any popular american animation.  The
                      Japanese certainly seem to have some strange...err...
                      \_ Hi Eli!  What is it with you and tentacle porn?
                            \_ Mmmm...Tentacle porn...
                      Japanese certainly seem to have some strange...err...
                      \_ Hi Eli!  What is it with you and tentacle porn?
                         \_ I SO did not post that.  I don't like tentacle
                            porn.  What are you talking about, Mr. Anonymous
                            Troll? --lye
                            \_ Mmmm...Tentacle porn...
                      \_ Hehe, and this is the trap: all you get from Japan
                         is the weird tentacle fetish stuff, so you assume
                         that that's all they watch. All they get from the
                         US is cop dramas about solving your problems with
                         guns, so they assume that we're obssessed with guns
                         and violence. If you can't see the communication
                         gap, you're not looking hard enough. --erikred
                         \_ Except the Japanese would be right.
              \_ RACIST!
        \_ I thought it was fantastic.  But i think everyone would agree
           that it's worth seeing.  If you're in the mood for a movie and
           you're willing to spend the $9, then go see this film.  It is
           better than 90% of the crap that's out there.  90%, not 99%.
2004/1/10-11 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan] UID:11738 Activity:nil
1/9     Finished Medal of Honor Rising Sun. Graphics is definitely better than
        the first one. However, the storyline sucked. They should have made
        the last round relating to atomic bomb (bombadier, gunner on B-29,
        etc). Also it's so stupid that they had to kill every single Asian
        guy, even the good ones working for U.S. (Tanaka). It's like that
        movie Anti-Trust and other Hollywood movies-- you must kill all Asian
        men, good or bad.
        \_ Feeling a bit emasculated as an asian male, are you?  This reminds
           me of the time I was walking behind these two asian dudes right
           after brandon lee killed himself and they were talking in a very
           serious way how his death and bruce's death only goes to prove
           there is a whitey conspiracy to demasculinise the asian male.
           I love you guys.  BTW, are you a Hoyt Sze fan?  Maybe his younger
           cousin or something?
                \_ After he killed himself?  He was accidentally shot during
                   the making of the Crow.
                \_ definitely. The white culture is all about domination of
                   the weaker race, subduing their power and dignity and
                   taking away all the other women. Look at all the
                   Westernized colonies and Asia in general. They're mostly
                   puppet states and are really owned and influenced and in
                   some cases controlled by Westerners. The Japanese should
                   have won and taken Asia back. Oh, and N Korea rewls, they
                   have a lot of guts to stand up against the Western
                   bullies-- they will not be the last one to do so.
                   \_ It's times like this when it's a little tricky to sort
                      the trolls from the psycho idiots.
2003/12/24 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan, Reference/History/WW2/Japan] UID:29735 Activity:high
12/23   So I'm a bit perplexed about the Nurenberg (sp?) trials and the
        trials in Japan. Many of the Japanese class A-C defendands were
        excuted for War Against Humanity, and that is cool. But what about
        dropping the atomic bomb? Shouldn't the Japanese have their own
        trials against say, MacArthur and others who dropped the a-bomb
        and killed many Japanese civilians? What about bombing of Dresden,
        Germany which has absolutely of no military value and was primairily
        meant to demoralize the German civilians? Isn't that also considered
        Crime Against Humanity?
        \_ Nuremberg, if you are going to comment on history at least read
           up on it. As for trials against MacArthur (who actually didn't
           authorize the use of the atomic bomb, it was
           actually Truman, so you got that wrong also) that's totally
           preposterous. How about you Japs formally apologizing for what
           you did at the Rape of Nanking, Pearl Harbor  and other
           atrocities inflicted upon the world. We didn't start the war
           with the Japs, you started it with us, so I think making
           Hiroshima and Nagasaki glow in the dark for a couple months
           is worth saving countless American lives as well as getting
           rid of the Jap scourge across Asia. In total, some 8-9 million
           people died directly due to Jap aggression, that's way more than the
           numbers in the holocaust. As for Germans, I'm sure
           the Russian and Jewish community will have the appropriate numbers
           on how many people were lost, since Russia lost the most lives
           due to Hitler. So, no, I don't think your neo-nazi sympathies
           are justified. Oh yeah, you're welcome for the U.S. rebuilding
           Japan into a viable nation after the war (instead of turning it
           into a wasteland).
        \_ A. No we won.  B. No, the atomic bomb does not even begin to
           compare with the sort of purposeful burtal cruelty the Japanese
           perpetrated on the Chinese, Koreans, etc.  C. No. the atomic
           bomb was much kinder than an invasion would have been. D.
           Quiet troll.  Read some history.
           \_ so you're saying that the WMD is more humane than hand to hand
              combat that the Japs were engaged in. Ok.
                \_ how about bombing of Dresden, the culture of Europe, the
                   place where it's revered for art and music? The place
                   that has very little military value?
                   \_ But I heard it was the hub for moving German troops.
                   \_ Dresden was the third largest transhipment point for
                      German war material.  As we all know fighting
                      a war is all about logistics.
                      STORICAL ANALYSIS OF THE 14-15 FEBRUARY 1945
                      BOMBINGS OF DRESDEN
           \_ Dresden may have had some minor military value in terms of
              transport but it had no military presence and was packed
              with refugees from the eastern areas. It was openly meant to
              "destroy the will for war" and all that, which of course is
              ridiculous in a dictatorship and anyway none of the people in
              that city were having any nice thoughts about war by that point.
              I don't know the figures but in 1945 troop transport was the
              least of Germany's problems.
              \_ It is not as ridiculous as you might think.  Germany may have
                 been a dictatorship, but Hitler and his band of merry men
                 were keenly aware of the public mood, and took great pains
                 to manipulate it for their ends (the propaganda office and
                 the obvious talent of Joseph Goebbels are a witness to this).
                 A dictatorship needs to worry about civilian morale more,
                 not less, than a democracy in time of war.  This isn't civ,
                 it's real life.  -- ilyas
            \_ I can only imagine this post (about the Japanese
                atocracties being hand-to-hand combat) must be either posted
                by either A. a troll or B. The stupidest and most ignorant
                japan otaku on the motd.  I guess you never heard about the
                rape on Nanking? Or the POW torture camps? Or the "comfort
                women?"  Or anything else?
                \_ Or the Unit 731 germ warfare unit.
2003/12/16-17 [Reference/History/WW2/Japan, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan] UID:11487 Activity:high
12/16   Do Japanese companies ever make killing games (e.g. killing Germans,
        police squad, sniper games, etc)? I've noticed that most of the
        Konami games are like DDR with cartoony characters. Even Virtua
        Cop looks cartoony. Do they have laws against violence or somethin'?
        \_ No really, you aren't that stupid, right?
          \_ no really, after killing about 100 Jap soldiers in Medal of
             Honor Rising Sun, I started to wonder why Japanese companies
             don't make games that kill American soldiers and glorify
             Japanese Imperialism.
             \_ Because we were the good guys and the modern Japanese want
                to set themselves apart from their evil WWII selves.
             \_ Now I'm curious. Do Germans play Medal of Honor Allied
                Assault? Do they play Wolfenstein? Do Japanese play
                Rising Sun? Do Vietnamnese play Vietcong?
                \_ http://penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=2003-11-26&res=l
                        \_ rave reviews? That IS kind of odd. Thx for the lnk
2003/12/14 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan, Reference/History/WW2/Japan] UID:11449 Activity:kinda low
12/13   If the Japanese never attacked Pearl Harbor, would America still
        have bothered attacking Japan?
        \_ The Japanese thought so.
        \_ after they took over all of asia, the US would probably start
           to think about it.  And yes, that was the plan!
        \_ If pigs learned to fly, would hell freeze over?
           \_ If frogs had wings, they wouldn't bump their asses so much.
        \_ Japan would have attacked the Philippines, and the United States
           controlled the Philippines, so they would have still been
           in the war.
        \_ Eventually, possibly.  The US were fairly preoccupied with Europe
           at the time.  -John
        \_ It's hard for Japan not to attack USA.  USA cut scrap iron and
           petroleum export to Japan (two most important thing for Japanese),
           USA was also providing fighter planes and military training
           /consulting  to the Chinese nationalist army.  USA's gunboat
           was patroling up and down the Yanzi River (attending the so-called
           property of free-trade).   Not that I like Japan, but USA was
           engaging in act of war against Japan well before the Pearl Harbor.
           \_ Hey, asian nationalist troll, you should meet up for drinks
              with chicom troll.  You'd get on like gangbusters.  -John
                \_ John is an intelligent fella. Yep.
              \_ I heard this viewpoint, as well. There is some merit
                 to it. -!op
        \_ US doesn't need to attack Japan.  It can screw Japan in many
           other ways.  Japan has itself to blame though for stupidly
           attacking China, which is too big for it to swallow, even when
           KMT and CCP can't be bothered to fight Japan, preferring to
           save strength to fight each other.  US is bad country too,
           occupying Filipines, forcing Japan to trade with US, and
           messing around in China (helping the Manchu dynasty against
           Taiping rebels, selling opium in China, etc.).  However US
           did do a few good things once in a while, like whacking
           Japanese Imperialists, spreading Christianity in China,
                                  \_ and that was good... how?
           and returning boxer-rebellion "reparation" money to China to
          today graduated from.  Most of Tsinghua's graduates love to
          come to US, at least used to.
           build schools like Tsinghua (Qinghua) University,
           from which all these commie sotware programmers we see
           today graduated from.  Most of these commie Tsinghua's
           graduates love to come to US, at least used to.
                                - the I-want-to-confuse-John troll
                \_ US did a few good things, like spreading Christianity?
2003/11/11 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan, Politics/Foreign/Europe] UID:29630 Activity:nil
11/10   I guess there is a hope in US government system. Supreme Court is
        hearing Guantanamo Prisoner's case!
        \_ Yeah, they heard the Florida '00 Case, too.  Vote Green for Clean
           \_ W00t!
        \_ That's cool, except can anyone please explain why the 400,000 Nazi
           POWs in America (mostly captured from the Afrika Korp) were treated
           with food, shelter, and entertainmant while the Japanese Americans
           were subjected to Internment, which is... crap?
                \_ http://www.jodavidsmeyer.com/combat/bookstore/german-pows-in-america.html
                   German generals were given fine wine, steak, and music
                   as POWs. What is wrong with this picture?
                \_ so I don't want to sound racist or anything, but all the
                   Japanese people I personally know of are so myopic, I
                   wonder how they even flew the Mitsubishi Zeros, let alone
                   bomb Pearl Harbor. Can anyone explain?
                   \_ They had glasses if they needed them.  Probably used
                      people with good eyesight for pilots.  And the question
                      *is* kinda racist.
           \_ Geneva Convention states that POWs should be treated in much the
              same way as your own soldiers.  The U.S. also hoped that by
              treating German POWs well, Germany would treat U.S. POWs better.
              Japanese internees were not covered by the Geneva Convention and
              hence were SOL.
2003/10/6-7 [Reference/History/WW2/Japan, Recreation/Media, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan] UID:10494 Activity:high
10/6    What did he whisper in her ear in "Lost in Translation" ?
        Anybody?  Anybody?
        \_ does anybody think that the representation of japanese
           people in this film is kinda f'ed up? I mean, I feel
           like she was just trying to show how the characters were
           alienated by being in a foreign culture or whatever, but
           there definitely were quite a few laughs just based on
           "those wacky japanese".
           \_ it's the experience of the novice traveller in Japan.
              trust me, you'll spend a lot of time thinking, "wow,
              those wacky japanese."  The movie also had a good deal
              of beauty (the wedding procession in Kyoto, for example).
              For more on the wacky, imcomprehensible nature of Japan,
              check out "Max Danger: Adventures of an Expat in Tokyo"
              by Robert J. Collins.
        \_ http://imdb.com/NewsFeatures/lostintrans.html
        \_ Sorry, it was lost in translation.  HAH!  Damn, I'm good.
        \_ I think the point is that you're not supposed to know.  That
           said, I'm guessing it's something along the lines of "become
           yourself" or other sentimental "bye-bye" pap....  Great movie,
        \_ Why don't you download it and run the enhance the audio
           track so that you can listen to it. In all likelyhood he
           said nothing of relavance to the movie. Why say something,
           when you can say nothing and get the same reaction out of
           the audience
           \_ well, now I'm more interested in seeing this movie.  So if
              it gets people talking...
        \_ He says, "For you".
        \_ Do you understand about modern lit. crit. and self-referentiality?
          \_ "Nan nen nihon ni irun desu ka?"   That was the funniest scene
             in the movie.  For those who don't know Japanese, the old
             woman at the medical clinic was slowly asking him how many
             years he was in Japan.
             \_ the best part is the two middle-aged ladies in the row
                of seats behind them trying, very politely, not to bust up.
2003/9/23-24 [Reference/History/WW2/Japan, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan] UID:10291 Activity:nil
9/22    Another great invention from Japan:
        \_ disturbing, but funny.
        \_ not really work-safe
2003/9/16 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan, Reference/History/WW2/Japan] UID:10208 Activity:nil
9/15    Japanese people are weird:
        \_ It's in Japanese.  Maybe that's why you're not getting it....since
           you probably don't speak Japanese.
           \_ Ah, so a walking, singing eggplant is perfectly normal then?
              \_ You've never seen Courage the Cowardly Dog, then?
              \_ Right -- and a talking sponge in square pants is the height of
                 animated normality.  Get some perspective.
                 \_ heh
              \_ its probably normal if you're as weird as those freaky
                 \_ I am not freaky!
        \_ It's the Japanese equivalent of this:
           In other words, they took a song by the Russian Lolita duo
           Tatu and used similar sounding words from Japanese to populate
           their Flash presentation. --erikred
2003/9/12-13 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan] UID:10177 Activity:nil
9/12    "Japan Court Jails U.S. Marine for Rape in Okinawa"
        http://csua.org/u/4ah (Yahoo News)
        You might call him a scapegoat, but I'm happy to see our rapists being
        put in jail.
        \_ I am suprised, as US Marines typically get away with raping
           14 years old girls abroad.
2003/9/3-4 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan, Reference/History/WW2/Japan] UID:10056 Activity:nil
9/3     Is there a korean word equivalent to the japanese (though rapidly
        becoming english as well) term "otaku".
        \_ What little self contained universe do you live in where "otaku"
           is widely used by english speakers?
           \_ You're just yelling to hear yourself yell, aren't you?
              \_ Partly, but it's more a wider concern about geekdom.
                 The presumption of the question displays the traits
                 a little too closely.
        \_ otaku
        \_ what does "otaku" mean?
           \_ I think that the literal translation is "home", but the
              meaning is something like shut-in/luser/nerd. Usually
              otaku are people who stay at home watching anime, reading
              manga, playing computer games and surfing the internet.
              Basically your average '1337 GN00/L1NUX H4X0R.
              \_ cf. http://www.jekai.org/entries/aa/00/nn/aa00nn70.htm
                 (yes, you may need to dl Japanese Character support)
        \_ What little self contained universe do you live in where "otaku"
           is widely used by english speakers?
        \_ otaku
2003/8/29 [Recreation/Dating, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan] UID:29510 Activity:high
8/29    Where there are US troops, there is prostitution.  Are there any
        \_ how about take out the "US" in there.
        \_ how about take out the "US" in there.  I mean seriously,
           my dad was stationed next to Pakistani troops for while,
           they went out whoring and drinking as much as the next guy.
           goddamit i got trolled!  you win.
        reliable media reports on the prostitution situation in Iraq?
          \_ how about you learn how to format your posts?
        \_Don't you know?  Only US troops do bad things.
        \_ Just think, lots of men, lots of hormones, and no gf/wife. It's
           just a norm in the military. On a side note, the Japs took care
           of this problem by providing Comfort Women-- legalizing
           prostitution in military barracks. Goals: increase troop
           morale, increase enrollment (hey if you're young and still
           virgin here is your chance to get laid), and decrease $$$
           flowing out of the military. It's a brilliant plan.
           \_ the concept may have been right, but the implementation
              was sexual slavery, rape, murder, etc. lots of hits on
              comfort women including this one:
        \_ I don't think there is very much prostitution in Iraq. There
           is quite a bit of fraternization though.
2003/8/29-30 [Recreation/Dating, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan] UID:10014 Activity:nil
8/29    Where there are US troops, there is prostitution.  Are there any
        reliable media reports on the prostitution situation in Iraq?
        \_ oh no! call the moral police!
        \_ how about take out the "US" in there.  I mean seriously,
           my dad was stationed next to Pakistani troops for while,
           they went out whoring and drinking as much as the next guy.
           goddamit i got trolled!  you win.
        \_ Summary: US BAD!  NON-US GOOD!
        \_ how about you learn how to format your posts?
        \_ Don't you know?  Only US troops do bad things.
        \_ Just think, lots of men, lots of hormones, and no gf/wife. It's
           just a norm in the military. On a side note, the Japs took care
           of this problem by providing Comfort Women-- legalizing
           prostitution in military barracks. Goals: increase troop
           morale, increase enrollment (hey if you're young and still
           virgin here is your chance to get laid), and decrease $$$
           flowing out of the military. It's a brilliant plan.
           \_ the concept may have been right, but the implementation
              was sexual slavery, rape, murder, etc. lots of hits on
              comfort women including this one:
           \_ The Japanese took care of the situation by having their troops
              rape half of the Eastern hemisphere.
           \_ Yep US only gets in trouble if they rape <14yo girls in Japan.
              They actually kick the guys out of the army. oooo. tough one.
              \_ Better than the UN where the very guys who are sent over to
                 protect women from human rights abuses end up buying, selling,
                 pimping, using, and raping them.
            \_ And one day, Japan will grow some balls and apologize outright
               for all the war crimes it perpertrated.  Spineless twats. -Jon
        \_ I don't think there is very much prostitution in Iraq. There
           is quite a bit of fraternization though.
           \_ Minimal prostitution in Iraq?  Your source of info?
                \_ Well, you wouldn't really want to pay money to have sex
                   with a potato sack, would you?  -John
2003/8/2 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan] UID:29218 Activity:nil
8/2     no one shall violate our soldier's right of pursuit of Happieness
        (i.e. raping underage Japanese girls)
        \_ Actually, handing all accused soldiers over to the japanese
           legal system before formal indictment is asking for trouble.
           You think they'd get anything even resembling a fair trial?
2003/6/9-10 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan] UID:28676 Activity:nil
6/9     To whomever was asking about work permits in Europe--it varies from
        country to country, and I have a Swiss passport.  Depending on where/
        for whom you work, it can be very easy.  -John
        \_ John, did your passport stem from marriage, ancestry, or place
           of birth?  Does the US recognize dual citizenship for EU countries
           or did you have to pretend to renounce?  I'm curious to see how
           this differs from the process of getting a Japanese passport.
2003/5/19 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan] UID:28487 Activity:high
5/19    Here's one vote for extermination of the human race.  Its obvious
        that we just can't live up to the standards set by the CSUA motd,
        so we're better off with universal suicide.  Who knows, maybe
        evolution will produce an intelligent race less concerned with
        narcissism and self-aggrandizement.
        \_ Tch, tch... Where were you during the nuke war fantasies of the
           early 80's? Po' chile, missed out on it?
           \_ They weren't fantasies.  The world was almost destroyed several
              times from the mid 60's until The Wall fell.
              \_ Compare and contrast that to Sodans almost getting laid.
              \_ Another time coming up with the threats from North Korea.
                 \_ NK?  Piffle.  That's not world destruction.  At worst,
                    they'll hit SK or Japan once or twice.  Their odds of
                    hitting SD/LA/SF are about zero given that they've never
                    tested anything with that range and don't claim it.  After
                    the maybe nuke Japan/SK, we launch and wipe them off the
                    planet, everyone sheds a tear, makes a pretty speech at
                    the UN, life goes on for the other 6+ billion people.
2003/4/7 [Politics/Domestic, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan] UID:28024 Activity:nil
4/7     Can someone report the link about Japanese Unit731 experimenting
        on living American soldiers?
        \_ http://csua.org/u/c3e
2003/2/21-22 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan, Politics/Domestic, Politics/Foreign/Europe] UID:27478 Activity:nil
2/20    Do BNO passport holders need a visa to visit Japan for short-term?  The
        web site only says British passport holders are exempted.  I tried
        called the Consulate but it's closed.  Thanks.  (Yeah I can wait till
        \_ yes.
        \_ BNO officially means second class.  It is all insult no benefit.
        \_ Just curious, what is "BNO"?
           \_ British National Overseas
              \_ Thanks.
        \_ I called the consulate: (415) 777-3533.  The answer is yes.
2003/1/21 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan] UID:27179 Activity:nil
1/21    Japan can play all the Orwellian games they want, but just as
        2 + 2 = 4, they will always be a "former enemy":
        \_ It's the US's fault for nuking them and starting hostilities.
        \_ ??? What percent of the UN budget do the former Nazis and
           Mussolini-ists pay?  Fair's fair.
2003/1/11 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan, Reference/History/WW2/Japan] UID:27061 Activity:very high
1/10    What does "oppai" in Japanese mean?  Thx.
2002/10/7-8 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/China, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan, Recreation/Media] UID:26123 Activity:moderate
10/7    Reviews of Miyazaki's "Spirited Away"?  I usual avoid dubbed versions
        of Miyasaki's work, but I haven't gotten a hold of the original
        japanese version with either english or chinese subtitles yet.  Is
        it worth watching this dubbed version?  Thanks.
        \_ I liked the dubbed version better -pld
        \_ It was a surreal trip.  I didn't mind the dubbing so much.  If you
           like his stuff, I'd watch this ... especially on weed!
        \_ the kabuki is playing the non dubbed version
        \_ Even dubbed it's a must see. Better than PM not as classic as
                MNT or NPoV or CiS but very very good.
           \_ The review on http://sfgate.com says it's the Disney-dubbed version
        \_ Even dubbed it's a must see. Better than Mononoke not as classic as
           Totoro or NPoV(??Nausicaa = NVoW) or Laputa but very very good.
           \_ WTF?  Fucking anime geeks... sheesh.
        \_ that movie took two hours of my life, and I want them back.
        \_ the best anime ever was something to do with anime porn and 3
2002/9/30-10/1 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan, Reference/History/WW2/Japan] UID:26056 Activity:moderate
9/30    Do people think more naturally in infix notation, prefix or postfix?
        \_ I don't know about people, but I know 8 out of 10 cows prefer
           prefix notation.
        \_ I guess it might depend on which language you speak.  Proabaly
           infix for Chinese and English speakers, and postfix for Japanese
           speakers.  -- yuen
           \_ true.  but what if you were designing your own language
              (programming) and want to make it accessible to most.
              \_ To most people, most people likely to program anyway, most
                 people you want to teach programing, what? what? WHAT?!
              \_ I guess it'd still depend on the mother tongue the person
                 speaks.  Now people with both English and Japanese, or both
                 Chinese and Japanese, as their native languages will be good
                 candidates for such a study.  -- yuen
2002/9/20 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan] UID:25958 Activity:high
9/19    What goods (US) are expensive and hard to find in Japan?  Other than
        perhaps golf and alcohol. I'm looking for gift giving ideas. Thanks.
         \_  http://prestonscandy.com
        \_ Cars. They like big powerful American cars, esp. Lincoln's and
           Cadillac's. They also like 60's muscle cars and harley davidson's.
        \_ Quality beef.
           \_ How can you beat Kobe beef?
           \_ *shake head* how about See's candies?  last i recall,
                \_  http://prestonscandy.com
              can't find it there, and it's distinctly american.
              i've seen ppl give beef jerky.  or whatever is native
              to ur own country will be appreciated based on my past
              experiences.  Cal paraphenelia?
              \_ Actually, a coworker of mine was in Japan a few months ago
                 and said he saw See's candies in the airport for like $35/box.
              \_ we took See's candies to Japan on our biz trip and found out
                 later that they were sick of getting them. Maybe try Godiva's
                 \_ You mean Warren Buffett won't be making any more money!?!
              \_ there are already a few japanese brands of beef jerky.  tengu.
                 \_ Will it give you teleportitis?  Or teleport control?
        \_ us pr0n?
           \_ As if they don't have enough of their own.
              \_ but it's all censored.
                 \_ and is illegal to bring into the country if uncensored
                    \_ How about rated R movies like those "strong sexual
                       content" ones on Showtime?
              \_ But they love to see hot white chicks in action, just like
                 we love to see hot Asian chicks.
                 \_ Who's "we"?
        \_ Apples.  The common American apple.  I have it on *very* good
           authority that apples are a rare and special delicacy in Japan.
           Each one raised carefully by hand, a work of art.  And if you dare
           disagree about the price of apples in Japan I'm going to flip a huge
           ass table and run off and mope in the stairwell.
           \_ Apples are expensive because US apples are prohibited from
              import. So if you declare them, they will be confiscated.
              You could always try smuggling them in.
              \_ Fruits in general are expensive in Japan,
        \_ Bring a Michael Jordan signed basketball, or some Native
           American craft.
           \_ Along this vein, how about Dodgers and other sports crap? I'm
              sure they have it there, but it's probably heavily marked up.
              \_ Better off with Seattle Mariners. Ichiro is better known out
           \_ Or maybe baseball/etc sports cards?  Just guessing.
              \_ Baseball is the #2 sport there, after sumo.  But I don't know
                 if American baseball stars are popular there.
                 \_ Do they have sports cards for their own athletes or is this
                    an American thing?  (having cards I mean)
        \_ Ivory Tusks or Sea Turtle shells.  Saw it on the news.
        \_ Blonde women.
        \_ Yermom... oh wait, she's cheap and easy to find in Japan.
2002/9/11-12 [Recreation/Dating, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan] UID:25846 Activity:insanely high
9/11    H0t A41@n chik wants YOU!
            \_ D00D U N33D 4 B373R 5P3111NG CH3CK3R! 175 5P3113D H07
               4ZN CH1K! not H0t A41@N chik.
        \_ H0t? Not really. http://profiles.yahoo.com/makikoinsf
                \_ I don't know... that's pretty hot to me.
        \_ Are foreign students from Japan able to write English like "if
           things click"?
                \_  yeah, me too, what the hell are your standards?  And if
                    if you wonder why you are still single, well, stop.
                \_ I'd qualify her as very cute, rather than hot
                   \_ agreed -2nd OP
                   \_ what's wrong with you people? she has almost no
                      female attributes. No hips, no tits. Relentlessly
                      average face and skeletal arms & legs. bah.
                \_ That picture looks suspect, like it's a picture of some
                   model or something.
                   \_ How do you know that she's not a model?
                      \_ Fair enough.
                \_ better looking than most japanese women.
        \_ Looks pretty hot to me.  But are foreign students from Japan able
           to write informal English like "if things click"?  Maybe it's a
            \_ They can if they have coaching.  My ex teaches Japanese right
               now and she certainly could have taught them such slang.
           \_ Too scrawny.  How do you know that's really her?
        \_ Just curious, is the same person posting all of the
           craigslist personals?
        \_ It's a hoax.  The photo is professional, scanned from some magazine
           or taken from a web site.  That's a new way of collecting email
           addresses so that you get on some match making or personals
           web site.  Seriously.  Do you think women that look like that
           need to look for desperate, geeky guys on the internet?
           \_ That's not a professional photo.  If you've paid a so-called
              professional photographer for pics with such mediocre quality,
              then post your email and I'll get you the info for a *real*
              professional friend of mine who takes *real* pictures.  I was on
              the high school year book staff and we took photos of similar
              quality.  You also don't know much about Japanese chicks....
                \_ you are SUCH a total nerd. "I was on high school year book!"
                   tell us about your mathlete scores!!!!
                   \_ missing the point, duh.  try again.  don't make me send
                      your sorry ass back to english-for-engineers.
        \_ I'm not positive, but I'm pretty sure that photo is a Japanese
           model named Karou (sp?)... do a web search for some photos.
           \_ You can really tell one skinny random chick from another based
              on 1 photo on yahoo?
           \_ be sure to give a full report later, private.
              \_ here... you be the judge:
                 \_ login & password please ;)
                 \_ not even close.  do all asians look alike to you?
        \_ Haha while all you losers were doubting her existence, I set up
           a date already for Saturday night.
           \_ be sure to give a full report later, Private.
              \_ If he's still alive.
           \_ OK stud, and you are?
           \_ I'm laughing at you.  I felt you should know that.
        \_ Hi, I am hot Asian girl looking for cute guys to chat online
           /tmp/ChatRoomRealityCheck.jpg                -John
           \_ I think I'm going to spew.
2002/8/20-21 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan] UID:25630 Activity:very high
8/20    Anybody bought digital cams from Japan and bring them
        back to US?  a) How strict is the $400 custom limit
        (what about for gifts and personal use)?  b) Where can
        I find a 100V to 110V converter?  Thanks.
        \_ a) not very strict.  The custom doesn't know the price.  Usually
                they don't ask.  If you're still afraid, put down something
                like $450, and paid them maybe USD $6.00 (not sure about the
           b) most models are also exported, and the power supply adapts
              to most ranges.  My Sony works all over the world.

           The bigger question is how much Japanese you know.  The
           supplied software usually comes in Japanese and it may
           appear as garbage characters by the computers and garbages
           to you if you don't know Japanese.
        \_ Customs is a joke.  Don't worry about your declared value.  Just
           don't make bomb jokes or look foreign and you're ok to bring in
           a few bombs, some anthrax in marked containers and a few kilos of
           coke per trip.
        \_ Someone deleted this question: what's the difference between 110v
           and 120v? Some (usually electricians) refer to it as 120v, but most
           simply call it 110v.
           \- it is my opinion that stuff like clothes, electronics etc
              wont be a problems. you might not want it in new packaging
              and have the price tag on. booze, cigs and such are another
              matter. i dont think you can really claim "i bought that
              cognac on my last trip/at safeway". --psb
2002/8/13-14 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan, Reference/History/WW2/Japan] UID:25553 Activity:kinda low
8/12    Someone mentioned domo-kun in an earlier post--would any CSUA'ers
        in Japan be willing to pick up a domo-kun doll for me and ship it
        to me?  I'd like to give it to someone as a birthday present.
        Neotoys, wizziwig & friends all don't have what I'm looking for,
        and the NHK store doesn't ship outside Japan.  -John
        \_ ask keithyw
        \_ I have seen these sold at Urban Outfitters of all places
        \_ What's domo-kun?  Is it a big hit like the Tamagotchi before?
           \_ NHK mascot type thingy.  Speaking of domo-kun:
              http://drew.corrupt.net/think-of-the-domokun.jpg  --Jon
        \_ If you're in or around the east bay, there is a Ranch 99 with
           an associated asian mall near the Richmond Costco.  One of the
           stores in the mall is a gift shop/greeting card type place that
           carries many of the cute Japanese fad characters.  Might be
           worth a look.  It's where I got the Kogepan that hangs off of
           the rearview mirror in my car.
                \_ I'm in Switzerland, which is sort of the crux of the
                   problem.  NHK's site (http://www.domomode.com has exactly
                   what I am looking for (a ca. 20 cm plush toy) but as
                   I mentioned above, they don't ship out of Japan.  -John
2002/8/11 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan, Politics/Foreign/Europe] UID:25538 Activity:moderate
8/10    what is the second most wired country in the world? a
        western european country, like France, or a tech-savvy
        one like Japan? or neither?
        \_ Korea and Finland are very high up there.  -John
        \_ Singapore, maybe?
        \_ i think in order:  US, Japan, Hong Kong.
           \_ I'd say, Japan, Hong Kong, US....
        \_ Wired?  Wired with what?  Phones, cable, dsl, what?  What does
           'most' mean?  Most feet of cable, most people, largest percentage
           of population, what?
                \_ percentage of population, and wired for internet.
        \_ there are charts and maps with this info everywhere... google it.
           Wired Mag for ex, had something a while back.
2002/5/1 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan, Reference/History/WW2/Japan] UID:24662 Activity:high
5/1     The administration that favoured the a-bomb... was it the same
        administration that favoured the Japanese internment? Why didn't
        they do the same for German descendents?
        \_ It's a lot easier to identify Japanese descendents.
           \_ Plus they were more concentrated in certain regions, I guess.
        \_ Germans are white.  Japanese are not.  Germans had melted in to
           the general population.  Japanese had not.  Germans were like
           everyone else.  Japanese were not.  And as a further emotional
           issue, the Germans hadn't launched a sneak attack on America.  The
           Japanese did.  Note I'm not making any judgements in either
           direction.  I do have opinions on this topic but I'm not posting
           them.  I'm only answering the question as I see it with as little
           bias as possible.  I think it's a good question.
        \_ "All men are created equal" and all other good stuff in the
            Constitution is meant for White European descent only from the
            very beginning of American history. Without it, we wouldn't able
            to justify to establish our nation at other peoples' land.
            This notion of Constitution also applied to men of other race
            didn't really come into play until the middle of 1960's.
            Thus, apply the same human right standard on Japanese descent
            doesn't really exist at the time.  On the other hand, it cuts
            both ways.  Because of American's don't really care much about
            none-white's human right, all the monstrous act by the Japanese
            toward the 20 million Chinese was consider a lesser crime than
            than the 6 million white Jews Nazi killed, and therefore,
            they were pretty much forgiven.  In the end, I actually think
            Japanese as a whole came out ahead due to this racial prejudice.
2002/4/30 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan, Reference/History/WW2/Japan] UID:24641 Activity:nil
4/30    Regarding all this talk about Japan: has anyone seen that SNL skit
        with Chris Farley on a Japanese game show? fucking hilarious.
        (its on Kazaa, etc)
2002/4/29 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan, Reference/History/WW2/Japan] UID:24631 Activity:insanely high
4/28    This is not a troll, I'm just curious. If Germany still has a pretty
        strong Nazi presence (esp from E Germany where unemployment is high
        and education is low), how come Japan doesn't seem to have their
        Imperialistic equivalence?
       \_ HELLO!!!! What the hell are you thinking?  There is a much
           stronger imperialistic presence in Japan than those of Germany.
           Instead of being executed like their German counter part, those who
           commit crime against humanities are being WORSHIPPED by many
           the top leaders in Japan.  Prime Minister of Japan just visited
           the Shrine dedicated to those "war heros" of WW2.  Even today,
           Japanese Text book does not admit that whatever they did was
           The relationship between Imperial Japan and American is a lot more
           closer than you think.  Prior to Pearl Harbor, it's AMERICAN who
           supplies scrap iron, petroleums and other war material to Japan
           while Japanese Imperial Army was ravaging throughout the Northen/
           North Eastern China.  After Japanese Surroundered, American decided
           to leverage Japan to counter the raise of Communist power in China.
           By doing so, American pratically forgave Japan and its crime against
           China and the rest of the Asia.  This policy is enforced until this
           day.  Consider Japan never even admit that they were at fault at
           first place, consider that Japan has killed more than 20 million
           Chinese during the war, which they shows no remorse nor slight
           hint of apologistic attitude toward it.  This would only fuel the
           ultra-nationalist sentiment in the mainland China itself.
           American, whose policy has been closely aligned with Japan both
           before and after WW2, who has been extremely lenient toward the
           crime which Japan committed, is being logically viewed as the
           imperialist corporate today.                 -kngharv
                \_ so where are the pro-Japanese pro-Imperial dominance
                   and pro-expansionist/pro-war protests?
                   \_ They happened on a fairly regular basis while I was
                      there and were reported in the news. We just
                      don't hear about it here. Awhile ago, a far right
                      group assassinated the mayor of Nagasaki for being too
                      critical of Japan's past conduct, among other things.
                        -- ulysses
                      \_ You can also read Chinese, Hong Kong, Taiwan or Korean
                         news media if you want to keep up with these.  They
                         pay much more attention to Imperial-Japanese-related
                         events than the US media does.
                         \_ The Japanese are our friends.  They like golf.  We
                            like golf.  The Japanese are our friends.  I'll bet
                            Bin Laden doesn't play golf.
           \_ Hey what'd you expect?  After a good bit of moral blindness as
              seen below on this thread, suddenly the US has something to
              apologise for and Japan is all victims. Weird. Go figure. Cal.
        \_ Ever see all the war memorials dedicated to their veterans? Ever
           see them apologize? War veterans who got away passed into ranks of
           politicians.  They'll never apologize for Bataan, just as much as
           the U.S. will never apologize for Hiroshima. [motd formatd]
           \_ The US has nothing to apologize for.  The Japanese do.
              \_ you're an idiot.
                 \_ Uh yeah you sure showed me!  When did they start letting
                    third graders into Cal?  Get off your dad's computer.
                    \_ it was a fucking nuclear bomb you idiot. your post
                        didn't warrant an explanation.
                        \_ Yes, it was a very high yield radiation bomb.  And?
                           So what?  Maybe you'd prefer the higher death tolls
                           on *both* sides from a conventional invasion?  Yes,
                           it does warrant a real reply.  You're
                           intellectually weak.  "It was a nuclear bomb" is
                           not an answer to anything.  I await your ignorant
                           reply, although I honestly expect you'll either
                           censor the whole thing or just insult me again.  I
                           again say the US has *nothing* to be sorry for and
                           Japan has *much* to be sorry for and has yet to come
                           to grips with the crimes they committed in the 30s
                           and 40s.
                           \_ Hiroshima and Nagasaki were civilian targets.
                              1/4M civilians were killed in violation of the
                              Geneva convention. This is something we should
                              regret, even if Japan as a country deserved it.
                              Would you nuke Baghdad to teach Hussein a
                              lesson? -!OP
                              \_ Imperial Japan was going to use 'civilians'
                                 in the defense of the islands from US
                                 invasion.  Due to excessive propaganda, this

                                 was mostly voluntary.  There were no civilians
                                 on the islands at the time.
                                 \_ even if this is true, which i'm not
                                    entirely convinced of, how can you
                                    rationalize the second bomb?
                                    \_ They hadn't surrendered yet.  The
                                       situation hadn't changed.
                              \_ This wasn't about 'teaching them a lesson'.
                                 You're again being intellectually dishonest.
                                 It was about ending the war asap with as few
                                 deaths on both sides as possible and you know
                                 it.  You're now veering into troll territory.
                                 And no I don't favor nuking Baghdad at this
                                 time but if doing so would save more lives
                                 than not doing so I would be in favor.
                                 \_ *I'm* veering into troll territory?
                                    Japan was already trying to surrender
                                    \_ Please explain how one 'tries' to
                                       surrender and provide URL.
                                       \_ By negotiating via a third party.
                                          \_ I read this, and although
                                             it suggests that the japanese
                                             were considering surrender, I
                                             did not see conclusive evidence
                                             that they had started negotiating.
                                             Try Again.
                                          \_ I just got done reading the whole
                                             thing also.  I also didn't see
                                             where it says anything like you
                                             claim it does.  Ya know, when you
                                             post a URL you better make sure it
                                             says what you think it says.  Some
                                             of us actually read entire URLs.
                                    when we nuked them. If we were really
                                    trying to save civilian lives, we would
                                    have accepted their terms. It is pretty
                                    \_ You mean the terms where we just go
                                       away and they get to keep their evil
                                       slave ridden raping imperial empire?
                                       The one soaking in the blood of innocent
                                       Chinese?  Even the Nazis in Nanking
                                       were shocked by what the Japanese did.
                                       \_ Any URL on "the Nazis in Nanking were
                                          shocked ..." part?  Thanks.  --- yuen
                                          \_ History Channel.  The Nazis were
                                             running a medical facility/camp in
                                             one part of the city.  The Nazi Dr
                                             running the place wrote in his
                                             personal diaries and letters home
                                             how sickening it was and also
                                             took action to keep the Japanese
                                             from entering his 'sanctuary'.  I
                                             could find the name with some
                                             research if this isn't enough for
                                    clear we were positioning ourselves for
                                    post-WWII (cold war) advantage, as well
                                    as ensuring that the Emperor would never
                                    \_ Of course we didn't want the Emperor
                                       in place, duh.  What's wrong with that?
                                       You make it sound like the Emperor was
                                       a good thing in some bizarre way.
                                    rise to power again. In hindsight, they
                                    were probably both good reasons, but it
                                    was by no means clear at the time.
                                    \_ It was quite clear at the time.  Read
                                       a history book published outside Japan.
                                    Nonetheless, the massacre of hundreds of
                                    thousand of innocents should be dismissed
                                    so lightly.
                                    \_ It wasn't a massacre.  It was the
                                       strategic killing of hundreds of
                                       thousands (I'll grant those who died
                                       later from radiation, etc).  I don't
                                       dismiss it lightly.  I don't dismiss it
                                       all.  It was a very tough call and we
                                       did the right thing and have nothing
                                       to be sorry about morally.  The Japanese
                                       have lots to be sorry about morally and
                                       have yet to own up to 99% of it.  Please
                                       don't put words in my mouth.  I take
                                       the death of hundreds of thousands very
                                       very seriously which is why I don't
                                       make the trivial "nuke = bad" equation.
                                       The dead don't care how they died. BTW,
                                       are you aware of the fire bombing we did
                                       in Germany?  We targetted civilian areas
                                       under the principle that civilians are
                                       a strategic resource bc they're the ones
                                       who build the hardware and supply the
                                       food, clothing, fuel, etc, that keeps
                                       the military running.  Do you feel the
                                       same about the 'depopulation' bombing
                                       we did as the two nukes in Japan?
                         Not to mention, the Dresden bombing killed around _/
                         200,000 people which is more than twice the number
                         of dead from Hiroshima. But since it wasn't nuclear
                         weapons no one cares.
        \_ Japanese aggression passed into the economic sector.
           Unfortunately, it was just as unsuccessful there.  Witness the
           current state of their economy.
           \_ Suckers got cleaned out on the golf course thing.
        \_ They do.
        \_ Russia recently seems to have a strong neo-Nazi presence in form of
           "skinheads" in the large cities. Who'd think that would ever
           \_ One of the few good things the communists did was suppress all
              forms of blatant racism although they did keep track of ethnic
              demographics.  Officially they had 15 groups.
              \_ Except state-sponsored racism, of course.  Ever tried to get
                 admitted to a good Soviet university as a Jew?
                 \_ Well yeah sure they still mistreated Jews but Jews run
                    the world and oppress everyone they encounter so there's
                    no such thing as racism against Jews.  They're just trying
                    to restore balance betwee the Jews and those they oppress,
                    so it's ok.
                    \_ Sort of like how African Americans can't be racist
                       because they're an historically oppressed minority?
                \_ The Communists also broke the back of religion in
                   Russia and replaced it with rationalism, which is
                   no small feat.
                   \_ Not really.  Orthodox Christianity is making a comeback
                      in a major way in Russia.  You can't force people into
                      progress against their wills.
                      \_ And the Catholic Church is making a big move into
                         Orthodox territory too.  As far as progess goes, I
                         don't consider all religion bad or all atheism good.
                         I'm an atheiest but I do understand how religion and
                         belief in a higher power can help an otherwise broken
                         people get through one more day without resorting to
                         the bottle or other killers.  There's a good reason
                         for the insanely high alcohol related death rates in
                         Russia/Former Soviet States.
                         \_ is religion good for anything else?
                            \_ IMO, not really.  I don't believe it should be
                               used to keep people down but people who are
                               already down are often better off with it than
                               without it.  --atheist
                         \_ I read a few months ago that the Cathonic the
                            Orthodox Churches were in talks towards
2002/3/29 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan, Reference/History/WW2/Japan] UID:24268 Activity:high
3/28    "U.S. Airman Gets 32 Months for Okinawa Rape"
        What the hell?  Only 32 months for rape?  What kind of justice is that?
        And the defense still considers filing an appeal?  --- American guy
        \_ Duh, there's *always* an appeal to *every* case in both civil and
           criminal court.  How ignorant can you be?  And you weren't there so
           you've got no idea what went down in court.  Maybe 32 months was
           an outrageous sentence given the facts of the case which we don't
           have here on the motd.
                \_ Supposed average for rape in Japan in 3-5 years.
        \_ It sounds like he met a hooker in a bar and didn't pay her enough
           so she cried rape.  The real injustice is that this was ever taken
           seriously enough to go to trial.
        \_ He was raping for his country.
           \_ Ah! That's where our tax dollars go ;-)
        \_ The justice department in Okinawa was under heavy US pressure.
           Remind you that Okinawa was an independent nation which has
           thousands years of history before Japan absorb it in 1845.
           After WW2, US want to form a blocade toward Russia and Communist
           China, thus, allow Japan to keep what was then Ryukyu (which
           was traditionally Chinese friendly).
           Japanese, for most part, still don't really care about people
           in Okinawans, treat them as some sort of colonial subject.  This
           is one of the reason why Japan allow bulk of US troops in Okinawa
           instead of Japanese mainland; and Japanese certainlly won't piss
           off US for these colonial subjects.
           Poor Okiwanans,  victim fo two imperial powers.

           If US was protecting its subject when its subject was
           raping 12 years old back in 1995, it will certainly protect its
           subject when the crime is much less severe, like this one.
        \_ She was asking for it.
2002/3/27 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq, Politics/Foreign/Europe] UID:24239 Activity:insanely high
3/26    With regards to reparations, anyone who receives $$$ should be stripped
        of citizenship and forced to return to the country of most likely
        origin. These people have benefitted from coming here, despite the
        trials of their ancestors. If they take the money then they need
        to go back where they would've been as a condition. --dim
        \_ i learned everything i know about african history from
           the iron maiden album "number of the beast," so i disagree.
        \_ Did we send those Japenese-Americans who were paid reparations
           back to Japan?
           \_ The legal aspects of this case are vastly different. The
              reparations was compensation for violation of their 3rd
              amendment rights. These people were FULL CITIZENS at the
              time thier constitutional rights were abriged. They had
              a legitmate legal claim to be compensated for illegal
              search and seizure of thier property and possessions
              without due process.
              In the case of those asking for reparations for slavery,
              the plantifs have no case since they were not guarenteed
              any rights until the passage of the 13th amendment. (By
              the 3/5ths compromise slaves counted as people for census
              purposes but were not protected under the bill of rights).
              The reparations for slavery have already been paid, in the
              lives of the men and women who fought and died in the civil
              war, in the passage of the 13th, 14th and 15th amendments
              and in the end of segreation. That the original intent of
              the founders (all men are created equal) is present in
              modern america and is as prevasive nowhere else in the world
              should be enough for anyone of any race. A handout cheapens
              and renders impotent the Freedom and Liberty that has been
              gained and defended. - !OP
              \_ I'm undecided on the issue of reparations, but it's clearly
                 ridiculous to claim that slaves have no right to reparations
                 because slavery was legal at the time.  Their claim is about
                 moral rights.  -tom
                 \_ Moral rights? Property has no moral rights, no rights
                    period. Yes slavery was a terrible thing, but it was
                                   positive for any of those inititally brought
                                   over...  though you raise an interesting
                                   point...  I'd be curious to see the
                                   statistics comparing the percentage of
                                   people killed in, or travelling to, the US,
                                   vs. the percentage killed in Africa during
                                   a comparable time frame. And it is only
                                   arguably positive for any ancestors when
                                   you consider the conditions that most
                    legal when it happened. They have no claim to compensation
                    because the there was no crime committed. I think that
                    these people should get on with thier lives instead of
                    sitting around pretending to be perpetual victims and
                    childern of slaves. You are what you believe yourself
                    to be, if you think that you are a victim, you will be.
                    \_ There's no claim against a slave owner, who was
                       within the law.  There may be a claim against the
                       government for enacting immoral laws.  (The fact
                       that the government says it's legal doesn't absolve
                       it of its own moral responsibility). -tom

                       \_ Legal precident is that the just compensation
                          of the enactment of a immoral law is to repeal
                          the law in question. As the laws in question
                          have been repealed, there is no basis for this
                          \_ That's overly simplistic.  It's not only
                             that the law was immoral, it's that it caused
                             damage, and a claim for damages certainly could
                             have merit.  A claim for damage 150 years after
                             the fact, perhaps not.  -tom
                    \_ [ comment about holocaust reparations being paided
                         dispite the holocaust being legal at the time time
                         inadvertently deleted, sorry ]
                        \_ Reparations paid by eurpoeans to other eurpoeans,
                           is not sufficient legal precident in the US.
                           I am talking about crimes commited in territory
                           where the Consitution is valid.
              \_ Uhm, where does it say its a 3rd amendment issue?
                 \_ Internment was a 3rd amendment issue. JAs had a
                    legal claim. Slaves cannot make any legal claim
                    under the law as it existed when they were wronged.
                    \_ I misread the indenting.  Nevermind.  Makes sense.
           \_ maybe. but that was different, it was wartime. wartime rules
              are different than peacetime rules.
              \_ yeah, fucking people over because it's wartime is somehow
                 a more outright offense then doing it peacetime.  whatever.
                 \_ Yes, at least there was some rationale in WWII, however
                    cooked up, for locking up American citizens because
                    they were of Japanese ancestry.   --Jon
                 and not the euro-boat-people. Think about if the
                 same things were committed today and you'll see some of
                 the flaws in your logic.
                    \_ There wasn't any rationale in any other cases? I'm
                       assuming that dim's ignorant original comment was
                       in regards to slavery? Are you trying to say that
                       there weren't countless "scientists" and philos-
                       ophers making justifications for why it was ok
                       to enslave brown people all around the globe? - rory
                       \_ Excuse me, but I think that if you think about it
                          you will find my comment enlightening. Has slavery
                          helped or hurt the people in question? --dim
                          \_ I have thought about it, and I never said your
                             post wasn't enlightening... It is enlightening
                             of the fact that you are ignorant and/or
                             racist. Are you really trying to argue that
                             slavery has had a net positive effect on
                             Africans brought to America?       - rory
                             \_ It certainly was a net positive for their
                                descendants (they live in a prosperous society
                                vs whatever african shithole they originally
                                came from), and it may have been a net positive
                                for some of them (in a sense that they would
                                have been executed as POWs in some tribal war
                                otherwise, or perhaps died of malaria).
                \_ wow when did david horowitz get a CSUA account? - danh
                                \_ It's a net negative - hundreds of years
                                   of slavery, crappy lives up till the
                                   the Civil Rights movement.  And it is
                                   the black people themselves who
                                   stood up, fought for their rights, and
                                   made better lives for themselves.
                                   Incredible to see rightwing fuckheads
                                   talking out of the their arses and
                                   trying to give credit to the slave
                                   traders for what is good in the lives
                                   of today's African Americans.
                                   \_ Excuse me but the civil rights movement
                                      was a Republican agenda item.  You still
                                      have sheet/hood wearing ex-KKK members in
                                      Congress right *now*.  Thanks for adding
                                      your biased agenda driven bit of weak
                                      historical revisionism to the motd.
                                   \_ Yup, Abraham Lincoln was black.
                                      \_ That Abe was a good man doesn't
                                         negate the fact that it was a net
                                         negative.  As for standing up for
                                         themselves, I am referring to the
                                         Civil Rights movement, not during
                                         the Civil War period.
                                         \_ Oops, sorry.
                                \_ Are you kidding me?? It certainly *wasn't*
                                   positive for any of those inititally
                                   brought over...  though you raise an
                                   interesting point...  I'd be curious to
                                   see the statistics comparing the percentage
                                   of people killed in, or travelling to, the
                                   US, vs. the percentage killed in Africa
                                   during a comparable time frame. And it is
                                   only arguably positive for any ancestors
                                   when you consider the conditions that most
                                   blacks were living in for the larger part
                                   of the last century and a half... and the
                                   fact that I'm sure that almost all brought
                                   over were perfectly content, and that most
                                   tribal warfare was caused by colonizing
                                   countries anyway.
                                   \_ The evil Westerners made the poor
                                      africans fight each other?  What, they
                                      have no free will?  Do you have a source
                                      on this last point?  People often forget
                                      that 'people of color' can be just as
                                      nasty as the blackest (whitest?) western
                                      imperialist pig-dog.
                                      \_ This is always the stupidest argument
                                         put forth.
                                      \_ People also often forget that
                                                European countries.  If you
                                                disagree, feel free to go
                                         before colonization, and subsequent
                                         "development" by former colonizers,
                                         Africa did not consist of formal
                                         nation-states at all, but rather
                                         loose tribal nations. These coexisted
                                         in relative peace (compared to how
                                         things are now). Now you tell me
                                         what all this "tribal warfare" is
                                         about...               - rory
                                         (Hint: details of the arbitrary
                                          borders imposed on the continent,
                                          and who gets to be the recipient
                                          of all the western development
                                          \_ Talk to the British and their Euro
                                             allies about the fucked up borders
                                             created in Africa to intentionally
                                             cause chaos and worsen tribal
                                             warfare.  This was not an American
                                             action.  We were a bunch of total
                                             world nobodies when this all went
                                             down.  The historical revisionism
                                             on the motd is sickening.  If you
                                             can't make a point without the
                                             outright *lying* then you don't
                                             have a point and should go away
                                             and shut the fuck up.  Thank you.
                                             \_ This whole subthread is
                                                pointless.  That US is better
                                                than African nations is
                                                besides the point.  US is
                                                also better than all the
                                                European and Asian countries.
                                                If you disagree, feel free to
                                                go home.
                                   \_ That argument assumes the slavers knew
                                      that the slaves would be better off in
                                      the new world. Since tens of thousands
                                      died enroute and tens of thousands died
                                      at the hands of their owners, this would
                                      be a very poor point to make.
        \_ We have benefited from them being here too. Should we therefore
           go back to wherever we came from?
           \_ Of course we have. That is why we are paying them. Then they
              need to leave. --dim
              \_ You shell out my $9m and I'm outta here!  Be glad to go!
                 \_ To, say, Nigeria? Doubt it.
                   \_ have you any idea what $9m can buy in NIgeria???
                   \_ I'm off to the slums of eastern europe where my peoples
                      came from... *with* my $9m bucks!  Gladly.  As soon as
                      that money clears I'm soooo out of here.
              \_ No, I think dim should go back to where s/he came from, but
                 dim's money stays here. That's more fair.
        \_ I totally agree that reparations are impractical when both the
           criminals and the victims are long dead.  In the case of
           Japanese-American internees, it made some sense since the
           the reparations were paid to actual victims.  Having said that,
           it's kind of funny when you  see people so ready to draw a
           line between themselves and the crimes committed by their
           ancestors, and in the very next breadth, they want to send
           other people "home" because these people's ancestors came later
           then their ancestors, seemingly saying that they have more
           right to be here simply because their ancestors came earlier.
           \_ I only want to send the people home who want the money, not
              all of the "victims". Capiche? --dim
              \_ First their "home" is here. Second, then those who
                 "benefited", the perpetrators/benefited should leave
                 unless they pay. but you can argue that is all of us in
                 some way, even those who just arrived yesterday. However
                 you a very confused if you argue that their
                 descendants are better off. You are mixing up your idea
                 "of going home" with reparations. You are missing the
                 big picture. If their ancestors were not exploited
                 and perhaps let to live/work/immigrate freely they
                 may have been the ones running the country today
                                        \_ hahahhahahahhah! yeah right!
                                           \_ michael jordan, oprah
                 and not the euro-boat-people. In any case, you cannot
                 put a condition onto people because Americans are free to
                 live where they want to. Think about if the same
                 things were committed today and you'll see some
                 of the flaws in your logic. It does not follow.
                 They are not related. That said, I agree reparations
                 are not going to work. The only thing possibly more
                 un-feasible is your plan!
        \_ thank you...
        \_ Even if both parties were alive, the claim would be on a poor
           legal footing.  They're seeking reparations for something that
           was legal at the time.  I suspect that such reparations would
           be deemed unconstitutional on an ex-post-facto basis.
           \_ Doesn't matter if it was "legal at the time".
              \_ Of course it does, duh.  Go look up the "ex post facto"
                 concept.  Jesus Christ some people around here are so dumb.
                 \_ You can argue it but ex post facto does not matter
                 \_ It was legal to keep innocent men behind bars
                    but after they are freed, they still sue.
           \_ CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG?!?
2002/3/26 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan, Reference/History/WW2/Japan] UID:24233 Activity:moderate
3/26    What does "kimochi" or "kimuchi" in Japanese mean?  Thx.
        \_ it means the overall chi, or PMS, depending on who you are.
        \_ I think it means a kind of pickle.
        \_ I think it is the japanese spelling/pronunciation of korean
           "kimchi" which are a kind of pickled cabbage/radish
        \_ Wow. I think you're all joking but sometimes I'm not sure...
           Anyway, "kimochi" means feelings, usu. meaning emotion. -- ulysses
           \_ The female characters in Japanese adult videos say this phrase a
              lot, and that's why I was wondering what it means.
        \_ "kimochii" means "comfortable" or "feels good" depending on
                   the intensity of the utterance.  --erikred
            \_ "kimochi" = feelings, "ii" = good. "kimochi ii" = feels good
             \_ I was going to make a remark about pornime, but I guess
                it's been done for me. -geordan
2002/2/7-8 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan, Reference/History/WW2/Japan] UID:23804 Activity:very high
2/7     Does "South Pole" have any special meaning in Japanese?  There are so
        many JAV with titles like "South Pole No. 2".  Thx.
        \_ "Pole at down south" I am no Japanese, but it seems quite obvious
            to me.
           \_ BTW do all the cultures and languages in the world use the same
              convention that north is "up" and south is "down"?  I know
              English and Chinese do.
                \_ no.
           \_ But the Japanese characters for "South Pole" literally means
              "south extreme".  They don't refer to pole.
              \_ Yup. Most of the sites I found by searching on "nankyoku"
                 were about Antarctica, not the South Pole in parcticular.
        \_ What does JAV stand for?  Japanese Animation somethin?  Sounds
           like it's worth knowing, i.e. chicks will dig it if I just throw
           it into a conversation "randomly."
           \_ Sorry, it's "Japanese Adult Video".  It's also one of the
              censoring levels in Japanese porn.  You don't want to throw it
              into a converstion with chicks.
              \_ What are the other censoring levels?
                 \_ JAV has "checkerbox" covering genital areas.  This is leagl
                    in Japan.  THN is "thin matrix" censoring where the
                    checkerbox is less opaque.  This is illegal in Japan.  XXX
                    is uncensored and is also illegal in Japan.
              \_ Perhaps the chicks YOU hang out with are too uptight.
                 Many chicks love porn!
                 \_ Many chicks star in porn. Imagine that. They're still
                    the minority.
2001/12/16 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/China, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan] UID:23269 Activity:nil
12/15   If you're going to Japan, check out Shinjuku.
        This is where the Yakuza hang out, or should I say in
        Kabuki-Cho.  Part of Shinjuku is a major business and government
        sprawl, another is a massive shopping district, and tucked not
        far from the train station is the infamous Kabuki-Cho red light
        district.  This is where you hear about those stereotypical
        stories of Japanese bars, clubs and restaurants which do not
        cater to foreigners, unless a business man personally invites one
        inside.  In some of the shadier zones, you get teen or even
        college students handing out pamphlets to local strip clubs or
        topless bars, often times badgering you to accompany them.  Some
        are nothing more than fronts for people interested in sex
        activities.  One guy approached me with a list of pictures from
        his den saying things like, "5000-en for a blow job.  160-en for
        1 hour fucking."  Those guys pester me.  Fuck the middle men.  So
        you walk down more streets or even the side streets and you'll
        see women, of various ages but not older than mid-30's clinging
        to walls, even themselves handing out pamphlets.  These girls
        from my experience are generally Chinese, imported from places
        like Beijing.  Some work for erotic massage parlors others are
        probably waiting for the right cue word to let customers pass
        into the backend alley love hotels.  I remember distinctly this
        young girl, must not have been older than 14 or 15 from China,
        the area around her mouth covered with small red spots.  She came
        up to me in Japanese at first, but I replied in English to which
        she responded in Chinese, and realized that she needed to try her
        English, asking me, "massage 5000-en, use mouth and tongue."  And
        I wondered how she got those small, red spots....
        \_ sounds like the livestocks in macau are better.
2001/12/14-15 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan, Reference/History/WW2/Japan] UID:23243 Activity:moderate
12/14   I'm trying to remember the title and artist of a couple of Japanese
        songs that became hits in the US.  I vaguely remember one was in
        the 80s and another was even earlier.  Anybody know?  Supposedly
        the two (I think it was two) songs were the only japanese songs that
        was popular in the US.  Thanks.
        \_ Shonen Knife?  Cibo Matto (not really 80's, not sure tho)   -mice
        \_Pizzacato Five.
                \_ Pizzicato Five.  But they weren't really popular in
                   the 80's.
        \_ Sukiyaki?  "do do re mi do la so".  Although the Japanese lyrics
           had nothing to do with food.  -- yuen
           \_ YES!  that is it.  I got the MP3.  Sukiyaki by Kyu Sakamoto.
              A song entirely in Japanese that became #1 in June 15, 1963.
              Thank you.  Getting answers to obscure questions on the motd is
              the main reason why I keep coming back to the soda community. :)
2001/11/26 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan] UID:23108 Activity:nil
11/26   "Human Embryo Reportedly Cloned for Cells"
2001/11/14 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan, Politics/Foreign/Europe] UID:23040 Activity:very high
11/14   Is United States is the only country in the world that advertises
        "weight control" pet food?  For pets that are too fat?  You really
        have to have lived in an improverished country to realize just how
        absurdly rich this country is.  And why so many people in the world
        hate us for it.
        \_ So you are saying envy is good and excusable?  Maybe they should
           get off their asses, and invest, and create business and wealth.
           There is no such thing as absurdly rich.
           \_ It's not about envy or jealously.  You're making that up.
           \_ Have you no sense of shame at all?
        \_ The only thing it means is that Americans and their pets are
           both fat.
        \_ They probably have it in Japan too... and maybe France or UK.
        \_ Ah yes. We should feel guilty for living in a country with enough
           fucking FOOD. And those poor bastards who keep having 5 kids when they
           can barely feed their own ignorant AIDS-ridden selves should hate us
           because we live in a civilized society. I'm not ashamed to be living
           above the level of animals.
           \_ What a fucking asshole!
           \_ you have never lived in an improverished country have you?  Ever
              wonder why they have so many children?  Because one or two of
              the kids will die.  Also because children work and bring in
              income.  I'd seen first hand children whose only purpose is to
              haul buckets of water up a hill because their shack has no
              running water.  They do that whole day everyday until they die
              or, if they live, they can get a paying job.  Paying job meaning
              shining shoes or collecting scrap.
              \_ If having more children really increase overall productivity,
                 how come those countries haven't solved famine after people
                 have had so many children?
              \_ Look, being poor does not necessitate such a crappy life. There
                 are many other "poor" societies in history. These problems go
                 deeper than just poverty. It's a breakdown of civilization.
                 In some cases the religion makes them not even attempt to raise
                 their living standards; they say the worse they live now, the
                 better they'll have it in the afterlife. Look at how early
                 western societies behaved...most of them didn't have running
                 water either. Towns had a well in the middle.
                 \_ What religion is this?  Cite a passage out of some holy
                    book instead of making shit up.  You're almost as bad as
                    Jon Katz.
                \_ In Islam, this (as in, RIGHT NOW, BEING ALIVE) life is not
                   as vivid or important as the next life, the afterlife.
                    \_ How about: "It is easier for a camel to go through the
                       eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the
                       Kingdom of God."
                       Or this: "They that will be rich fall into a tempatation
                       and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts...
                       for the love of money is the root of all evil:
                       O man of God, flee these things, and follow after
                       righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience,
                       meekness." The Bible is full of this stuff.
                       \_ The bible also extols us to work hard and not be lazy.
                          Yes, the bible want us to trust in the Lord rather
                          than trust in our money.  The bible is not against
                          wealth but against greed, wastefulness, and money
                          obtained through improper means.
                        \_ If anyone bothers to read the Bible they would
                           quickly realize it is a awesome commentary
                           on human existence, it is packed full with
                           perfect wisdom, and a path to self-awareness.
                           It's the best book you could ever read.
        \_  Read "All the trouble in the world", there is a chapter on famine.
        \_ If we all donate our old PCs and Linux software and DSL hubs +
           ethernet cards their standard of living will totally improve!!!
2001/11/1 [Recreation/Dating, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan] UID:22890 Activity:very high
10/31   English-dubbed hentai sucks ass
        \_ watching LA Blue Girl again?
           \_ Trying to. The dub makes it almost like work.
              \_ alien tentacles and pussy juice power. what more do you
                 need to understand?
                 \_ I don't think I need to expand upon the
                    superior quality of the orgasmic moaning in the
                    original Japanese...
                    \_ don't forget the rapid high-pitched intakes of breath
                       \_ Oh yeahh. That's the stuff.
                    \_ Does the main girl ever get any from a human? Those
                       tentacles must chafe
            \_ Oh yes, YES.  You don't really want someone as big as I am to
               pull out, do you?
               \_ Oh christ -- is the dubbing THAT bad?
            \_ I noticed recently that my boss has the same shape hair as the
               doctor in Oh Genki Clinic - nasty mixed methaphor, that.
        \_ Forgive my ignorance, but what is hentai?
           \_ japanese anime porn.
           \_ hentai is the japanese word for "pervert" and has come to mean
              the porn (usually extreme porn) subset of japanese anime
              (still and animated)
              \_ isn't anime originally a French word?
2001/10/12-14 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan] UID:22707 Activity:low
10/11   http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/20011012/ts/attack_congress_3.html
        I was hoping for a delay in this bill so that it wouldn't be passed
        but those idiots somehow pushed the bill through.  honestly now, see
        ya.  I'm quitting my job after nov 26 and i'm going to move to japan
        permanently.  the country is now a totalitarian entity and our
        freedoms are gone.  it was nice knowing all of you.  if i can't find
        a tech job, i'm going to become a teacher.  either way, there's no
        way i'm going to live in this country with this regime.  it's going
        to be far worse than mccarthyism.
        [ reformatted ]
        \_ blah blah blah, nothing is different.  The exact same powers have
           existed since before your birth.  You're still living in the most
           free country *ever* to exist on this planet but if you want to go
           so badly no one is going to shed a bitter tear over it.  If you're
           serious you'd cancel your American citizenship and get Japanese
           citizenship but oh wait, they won't want you.
        \_ Does this give the FBI to read email without a warrant?
        \_ that's a little bit extreme.  I mean, the FBI gets the power
           to tap phones, they've always had that power anyway... what's
           else in the bill that is so bad?
        \_ "Sen. Phil Gramm (news - bio - voting record), R-Texas, said that
           if the worker relief measure went forward, he would try to attach
           language to open 2,000 acres of Alaska's Arctic National Wildlife
           Refuge to oil and gas drilling."
              \_ Probably because the IRA hasn't ceased terrorism?
           Gotta love the way our political system works.
        \_ hopefully the House will stick by its guns and make sure the bill
           gets an expiration date
           \_ Lotta good that will do. The Brits passed a similar law
              in 1971 with a sunset provision. Funny thing, it keeps
              getting extended. The cops never want to give back your rights.
              \_ Maybe because the IRA never ceases terrorism?
                                   \_ Aerin Go Braugh!
           \_ The bridge toll increases were all "temporary".
        \_ As if Japan is so much better than here. Good luck gaijin,
           you've watched one to many anime eps. and read megatokyo
           far too often.
           \_ Nah, he just wants to get high from puffing siren(sp?) gas.
                \_ sarin
                \_ Can you get high by inhaling anthrax spores?
2001/9/11 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan, Politics/Foreign/Asia/India] UID:22384 Activity:insanely high
9/11    So... is this worse than Pearl Harbor?
        \_ If the casualties now is worse than Pearl Harbor and using the
           nuke was justified back then, wouldn't it make sense to justify
           using the nuke NOW?
        \_ The attack on Hiroshima and Nagasaki was not a punitive
           decision, it was to avoid an invasion of mainland Japan.
           Furthermore, the biological effects of nuclear radiation were
           poorly understood-- the H-bomb was thought to be just like a
           large chemical explosive.
           \_ I feel what you say but something on the order of "freeze all
              assets" sounds better to me.
           \_ Nuke what?
        \_ The numbers are the same or worse and they were almost all
           civilians rather than enlisted personnel. -ulysses
        \_ but who do you attack when it isn't a country that's responsible?
           \_ a country is harboring those responsible
              \_ lets say it is Afghanistan.  How in the world can
                 you attack except for maybe some retaliatory attacks.
                 China won't let us through.  And neither will the former
                 Soviet Union.  What do you do?
                 Soviet Union.  What do you do?  (actually, Pakistan may
                 let us through.
                 \_ do you think China or Russia (or nations formerly part of
                    the USSR) would be uncooperative with us about this?
                    \_ do you doubt it?
                       \_ I doubt any country will oppose military action
                          against Afghanistan.
                       \_ I'm naive, I guess, but I can't see any nation being
                          supportive or even desiring to appear supportive of
                          these terrorist attacks.
                          \_ Afghanistan (well, the Taliban) has already
                             denounced the attacks. Terrorists usually brag
                             about their attacks, not pretend that it wasn't
        \_ No. This attack is a bloody media event. Pearl Harbor was a
           military strike planned to ensure Japanese control over the
           Pacific Ocean and East Asia. With PH, the whole west coast
           braced for a Japanese invasion and put tens of thousands in
           concentration camps out of fear. The Trade Center attack will
           hopefully not cause the same thing to happen.
        \_ Any question about where I stood on the Israeli-Palestinian
           question evaporated when thousands of Palestinians celebrated
           on the streets today shouting "God is Great".
2001/8/16-17 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan, Reference/History/WW2/Japan, Health] UID:22138 Activity:low
8/16    Anyone knows what the Japanese or English title of the Japanese TV
        cartoon series ~20 years ago whose Cantonese title is "Doctor IQ"?
        \_ Dr. Slump (Arale-chan)
        \_ Speaking of Asian cartoons, when I was in China I picked up
           some VCD's of a chinese cartoon featuring policeman cats. I don't
           speak chinese and there are no subtitles but they are hilarious
           to watch simply because they are so surreal and so violent.
           Anyone know what the name of this cartoon is?
2001/6/10-11 [Reference/History/WW2/Japan, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan] UID:21469 Activity:very high
6/9     Why are Japanese people SO fucked up?
        \_ Well it's quite clear, this just goes to further prove the dangers
           of knives and sharp implements. How many more children must die
           before we do the responsible thing and ban knives?
        \_ they are space aliens.  look at their circulatory system; it's
           not the same as the rest of the world, yes there are documents
           to support this.
           \_ lol.  whilst teaching in Japan, I often had older students
              tell me that Japanese people have longer intestines due to
              the disproportionate amount of vegetables they ate.  then
              again, Japan's Ministry of Trade once denied Vuarnet access
              to the J. ski market on the basis that Japanese snow is
              different from snow anywhere else.  --erikred
        \_ with a pop. 60% that of the US, a significantly smaller landmass,
           and one "incident" for every ten of ours, if the Japanese are
           fucked up, we ought to have our entire country committed, and
           quickly.  otoh, if you're asking why this psycho went off like
           he did, damn, I wish I could tell you.  when they do go for it,
           they really go for it.  --erikred
           \_ I thought the question was asking why one could purchase
              used schoolgirl's underwear from vending machines. -geordan
                 \_ I looked for these in Tokyo, but I do not think they
                    exist.  A lot of the "Japanese people are weird" shit
                    is made up and exaggerated.  -John
                    \_ A Japanese girl told me this and many other stories
                       of bizarre goings on in Japan were true.  She described
                       being molested herself on trains.  She told me of
                       random people offering to buy her underwear.  A
                       Chinese girl I know who spent 3 years in Japan also
                       told me of purchase attempts, vending machines, and
                       all sorts of stuff.  I think everything we've heard is
                       probably true.  But think what goes on in the US.
                       Peole are weird.  --PeterM
                       \_ i've met alot of sheltered kids from the
                       suburbs in college who think all the crazy , fucked-up
                       stuff that goes on in America(with the exception of
                       what they can see on TV) is basically made up.
                       Alot of poeple like to think that crazy stuff is
                       made up to justify their own boring, trite little
        \_ are there a proportionally large number of H4T 45N B4B3Z
           that are japanese?
           \_ sky?  your thoughts?
           \_ It's all about the Koreans, fools!
              \_ Its all about the sailor suits fool!
        \_ All that restraint and "hidden emotion" crap.  It's got
           to come out some how.
           \_ Corruption from the evil Westerners.
              \_ train frottage
        \_ It's the lack of dentists there. They think crooked teeth are sexy.
           \_ that's england.  remember, they like starch and fluoridated
              water there for food.
             \_ no, it's Japan too
             \_ japanese tend to have really crappy teeth.
2001/4/30-5/1 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/China, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan] UID:21144 Activity:very high
4/30    Regarding Jet Li's wife: Hong Kong is a metric "country", yes.  Yet
        when people talk about body measurements, inches are used, unlike in
        Japan where centimeters are used.
        \_ in any case, it's obvious that "37" is an inch measure.
           \_ Correct.  And there's nothing unrealistic about 36A or 34B.
              \_ Well, cup sizes weren't used to be measured back in those days
                 for some reason, so we didn't know what cup it was with the
                 37.  This was changed in recent years.
                 \_ She might be a 37" chest but with a B cup that makes her
                    a barrel with bumps.  Enjoy the thought.  Maybe you'd like
                    a 44A, too?  That's even bigger so it must be better,
                    right?  Anyway, whatever her measurements on paper, I've
                    seen the pics and she's nothing special.  I like the part
                    in her bio where she got wiped out in real estate so she
                    got married instead.
                    \_ Hmm, this is pretty big cup without pads to me:
                        \_ You're nuts.  I'm on my third 36DD and all three
                           make her look tiny.
                           \_ But what waist measurements do your three 36DD's
                              have?  I'd think the ratio is important too.  My
                              ex- had 38D bust, but with a 30 waist that wasn't
                              very attractive.
                              \_ All three were 36/36/36.  I like them like
                                 poles with bumps.
                                 \_ you're a lyin mofo
                                        \_ You're lame.  It's a joke, son.
                                           Where is Cal finding their freshmen
                                           these days?  The morgue?
                                           \_ San Jose.
        \_ exactly.  like some one can have 17 cm chest.
2001/3/13-14 [Politics/Domestic/Gay, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan, Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:20766 Activity:high
3/12    our navy sucks, they just bomb observers at a training , before they
        killed japanese kids on a fishing boat.
        \_ We need better strategerie, something Clinton and those lousy
           democrats could never do.
        \_ hey chickenshit, i'm glad you are safely behind your monitor
           instead of cockpit cuz you can yak (and yank) all you want, but
           unless you've donned the uniform and bled for something you
           believe in, you ain't qualified to talk about squat.
           \_ This is Colonel Leslie "Hap" Hapablap.  If you don't
              open that door I'll tear you up like a Kleenex at a snot
              party! Sweet Enola Gay, Son!  I'm going to come in there
              and corpse you up -- corpse you up and mail you to mama!
           \_ listen twink, I posted this and I expect better , way better
             from the military. There is no honor when messing around in a
             sub and handling weaponry capable of destroying countless lives.
             I expect way better than myself in the military.
           \_ We can only talk about things that we've done for ourselves?
              what a stupid attitude.  Time to stop talking about politics
              and art, to start with.
                \_ You are capable of talking about anything you like (ie: can)
                   however you come off sounding like an idiot when you pick
                   one or two unfortunate accidents and come up with witty
                   paint-them-with-a-wide-brush commentary like, "our navy
                   sucks".  And who said the rest of us are unqualified by
                   that standard to discuss politics and art?
                   \_ well, the poster to whom I replied says you aren't
                      qualified to talk about politics and art (and various
                      other things)
        \_ That's probably because the training has degraded.  I read that
           cadets can now wear tennis shoes instead of boots during hiking
        \_ that's cuz they started using Microsoft NT in 1998. Or that's just
           a sign of the things to come, who knows.
        \_ yvan eht nioj
           \_ hey, nice song
2000/12/17-18 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan] UID:20117 Activity:kinda low
12/17   http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/20001217/t000120356.html
        Gropers on Japanese subway trains.
        \_ RACIST!
2000/9/24 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan, Politics/Foreign/Europe] UID:19315 Activity:very high
9/21    The Czech Republic is not a third world nation.  It is a
        developing nation with $11700 per capita GDP, growth rate of -0.5%
        (1999), and an external debt of 24.3 billion.  USA's per capita
        GDP is $33900.  Malaysia's per capita GDP is $10700.

        international no-car day!  see http://www.carbusters.ecn.cz
        \_ *.cz?  Like they'd miss their cars for a day in the Czech republic.
           I'd like to see something like International Fix Your Fucked Up
           Third World Country Day coming from a place like that instead.
           \_ Do you know your geography? The Czech republic is a modern
              European nation. Just because it's considered Eastern Europe
              doesn't mean that it's a Third World country.
                \_ It's not a third world country.  It's just a poor,
                   decrepit ex-Soviet-bloc nation suffering from 40+ years
                   of commie mismanagement.  Otherwise, quite nice.  -John
                   \_ What's the definition of third world then?  I thought
                      "thrid world" is the PC term to describe poor countries.
                        \_ "First" or "Old" World = Europe.  Don't forget that
                           Bohemia/western Czechoslovakia/Czech republic has
                           historically been a political and cultural center.
                           "New" World = Americas.  "Third" World was some
                           mid-20th-century play on that to describe all
                           the second-rate backwaters discovered afterwards
                           with economic problems.  -John
                           \_ % webster "first world"
                              Etymology:      after third world
                              Date:   1967
                              : the highly developed industrialized nations
                              often considered the westernized countries of
                              the world
                              apart from getting the order of usage wrong (i.e.
                              third world -> first world rather than the other
                              way around) and being ignorantly eurocentric,
                              you're correct.
              \_ then it doesn't sound like he has a problem with geography,
                 does it? it's more of an economics deficiency he has.
                 \_ No deficiency.  Have you seen it?  I think you need to
                    check on what the word "modern" means.  CZ is a third
                    world country.  Just because they're vaguely white doesn't
                    make it a modern western nation.  They're little different
                    from any South American banana republic.  It isn't just
                    blacks, hispanics and other non-whites that live in the
                    Third World.  Thank you both for trying though.
                    \_ Have you ever travelled outside the Bay Area?  -John
        \_ Nobody noticed.  Some cities had even worse traffic.  Barely
           anyone even knew it was happening until they heard on the news
           what a flop it was this evening.  -John
           \_ Cars are here to stay (at least until transporters become
              generally available).
        \_ Chech know a thing or two about mechanical engineering and cars.
        Pop quiz: which Western car compay buy out entire Tatra design team,
        why they did it and what they are working on now?
        As far as being 'vaguely' white which I take as they don't quite
        fit a canonical definition of white, how to do explain
        disproporationate representation of Czech chicks among the ranks
        of 'supermodels'?       -muchandr
        \_ Volkswagen, right?  They bought Skoda too.  -John
               \_ Volkswagen is a joke. In fact all european cars are jokes.
                  The only car manufacturers that matter are American and
                  Japanese. With Japanese you get quality, with American you
                  get power. - Proud owner of a 260 HP Lincoln that routinely
                  smokes the finest that Europe has to offer.
           \_ that proves they are 'vaguely'! Per the current fashion trend
           \_ When was the last time you bought a Czech car?  I don't see
              many trambant dealers around.
                \_ Moron.  Trabants were East German and they're a massive
                   cult object (like VW bugs.)  Tatra were/are a Russian truck
                   design bureau.  And Skoda (Czech) is about as big as
                   Saturn in the US.  -John
        \_ Czech supermodels are hot and slutty.
2000/9/21-24 [Science/GlobalWarming, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan, Politics/Foreign/Europe] UID:19303 Activity:high
9/21    international no-car day!  see http://www.carbusters.ecn.cz
        \_ *.cz?  Like they'd miss their cars for a day in the Czech republic.
           I'd like to see something like International Fix Your Fucked Up
           Third World Country Day coming from a place like that instead.
           \_ Do you know your geography? The Czech republic is a modern
              European nation. Just because it's considered Eastern Europe
              doesn't mean that it's a Third World country.
                \_ It's not a third world country.  It's just a poor,
                   decrepit ex-Soviet-bloc nation suffering from 40+ years
                   of commie mismanagement.  Otherwise, quite nice.  -John
                   \_ What's the definition of third world then?  I thought
                      "thrid world" is the PC term to describe poor countries.
                        \_ "First" or "Old" World = Europe.  Don't forget that
                           Bohemia/western Czechoslovakia/Czech republic has
                           historically been a political and cultural center.
                           "New" World = Americas.  "Third" World was some
        \_ Will this finally make the LINUX! RIDE BIKE! people happy?
           \_ no but it will make lotus notes save the universe.
                           mid-20th-century play on that to describe all
                           the second-rate backwaters discovered afterwards
                           with economic problems.  -John
                           \_ % webster "first world"
                              Etymology:      after third world
                              Date:   1967
                              : the highly developed industrialized nations
                              often considered the westernized countries of
                              the world
                              apart from getting the order of usage wrong (i.e.
                              third world -> first world rather than the other
                              way around) and being ignorantly eurocentric,
                              you're correct.
              \_ then it doesn't sound like he has a problem with geography,
                 does it? it's more of an economics deficiency he has.
                 \_ No deficiency.  Have you seen it?  I think you need to
                    check on what the word "modern" means.  CZ is a third
                    world country.  Just because they're vaguely white doesn't
                    make it a modern western nation.  They're little different
                    from any South American banana republic.  It isn't just
                    blacks, hispanics and other non-whites that live in the
                    Third World.  Thank you both for trying though.
                    \_ Have you ever travelled outside the Bay Area?  -John
        \_ Nobody noticed.  Some cities had even worse traffic.  Barely
           anyone even knew it was happening until they heard on the news
           what a flop it was this evening.  -John
           \_ Cars are here to stay (at least until transporters become
              generally available).
        \_ Chech know a thing or two about mechanical engineering and cars.
        Pop quiz: which Western car compay buy out entire Tatra design team,
        why they did it and what they are working on now?
        As far as being 'vaguely' white which I take as they don't quite
        fit a canonical definition of white, how to do explain
        disproporationate representation of Czech chicks among the ranks
        of 'supermodels'?       -muchandr
        \_ Volkswagen, right?  They bought Skoda too.  -John
               \_ Volkswagen is a joke. In fact all european cars are jokes.
                  The only car manufacturers that matter are American and
                  Japanese. With Japanese you get quality, with American you
                  get power. - Proud owner of a 260 HP Lincoln that routinely
                  smokes the finest that Europe has to offer.
           \_ that proves they are 'vaguely'! Per the current fashion trend
           \_ When was the last time you bought a Czech car?  I don't see
              many trambant dealers around.
                \_ Moron.  Trabants were East German and they're a massive
                   cult object (like VW bugs.)  Tatra were/are a Russian truck
                   design bureau.  And Skoda (Czech) is about as big as
                   Saturn in the US.  -John
2000/8/7-8 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan, Reference/History/WW2/Japan] UID:18910 Activity:high
8/7     http://lumine.net/engrish
        \_ biology-- engrish is sexy in Japan. A proper Engrish will open
           door to Japanese Chicks. A poor Engrish will close doors on you.
        \_ Hmm, I wonder if there's a similar web site in Japan making fun
           of people like me who try to learn Japanese.
           \_ Learning japanese so you can watch the import anime
                 \_ cunt
              without waiting for the fansubs are you?
              \_ This sounds like jj.
2000/4/24-26 [Reference/History/WW2/Japan, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan] UID:18104 Activity:moderate
4/24    Anybody have a Japanese garden in in their house?  I'm thinking of
        adding one.  I figured out where to get the Japanese maples and
        bamboos but I can't seem to find a place where they sell the little
        tower thing and the small bridges, etc. I'm doing this myself, not
        going to a landscape company.  Thanks.
        \_ There's a store on Piedmont Avenue that has all kinds of crap like
           that.  -tom
           \_ can you be more specific?  if you don't know the name what is
              the cross street on piedmont?  Thanks.
                \_ south of 40th, near Cato's Ale House.
                   (what idiot changed "on Piedmont Avenue" to "in Berkeley"
                   above?)   -tom
        \_ Note: Bamboo is not particularly 'Japanese'.  The variety found in
           Hawaii is much the same as in Japan.  -mtbb.
           \_ Not to mention it is generally used in the singular form.
              \_ You probably mean it is an aggregate noun.  However,
                 this person's usage may be correct if he is referring to
                 a plurality of types of bamboo.
           \_ By the way, if you plan to plant bamboo READ UP ON IT FIRST.
              Bamboo is a beast that will take over your garden, wreck your
              driveway, etc.  And getting rid of it after that stage is
              a serious pain in the ass cause it is all one giant plant.
              You really need to build a thick concrete retaining structure
              in the ground before you plant the stuff.  Otherwise if you are
              living in the same place 5 years down the line you will curse
              the day you planted the stuff.
              \_ ditto for strawberries.. but they tend to be tastier.
                \_ I planted dandelions.  Much easier to maintain.
1999/9/4-5 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan, Reference/History/WW2/Japan, Computer/SW/Languages] UID:16466 Activity:moderate
9/4     Why is it that while using trn to try to read Japanese sites
        results in single byte garbage, but accessing say, Taiwanese sites
        results in double-byte (but still garbage) characters being
        displayed.  I want to read the Japanese sites in particular, and
        to a lesser extent, the Taiwanese sites.  Modifying the LANG variable
        doesn't seem to effect it at all.  -Hopeless.
        \_ Funny, I wasn't aware that trn let you browse "sites". I thought
           it was a newsreader.
           \_ Pardon my dwindling English skills.
           You don't say what terminal you are using, or whether you know
           you have it set up right, or whether you even know whether you
           have compatible fonts installed on your system. I'm assuming "no"
           to all of the above issues.
           \_ I'm using xterm, csh.  I beleive I have the LANG variable set
                correctly.  And, yes, I have planety of compatible fonts
                running on my system.  Just hit 'Ctrl-Space' on my keyboard
                and I'm typing away in Japanese --> ÆüËܸì
                Although, it comes out as junk in this termnial. -hopeless.
                \_ It's hopeless.  Wipe your system, install 95 and play
1999/1/28-29 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan, Politics/Foreign/Europe] UID:15307 Activity:kinda low
1/27    I just turned on the radio to KCBS and I heard a sentense which
        apparently is the end of a piece of news: "Pluto might not be a
        planet, but it has been for a lot of time."  What's going on?  Is
        there some new space discovery that shows that Pluto is not a
        planet?  Thx.  -- yuen
        \_ http://www.cnn.com/TECH/space/9901/20/puny.pluto
           \_ It's all poltics. Disney didn't pay off the right astronomers.
1998/6/2 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan, Reference/History/WW2/Japan] UID:14164 Activity:high
6/2     http://cnnfn.com/hotstories/bizbuzz/wires/9806/02/virtual_wg
        \_ I'm surprised it was Italians instead of the Japanese.
        \_ http://db.photo.net/dating -- it's free, and probably just as
1998/2/24 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:13729 Activity:kinda low
2/23    contract work at lbl.  General coding on Linux/Sparc SMP.  if
        you're interested, contact jon@CSUA.Berkeley.EDU.
        \_ Pathetic, stupid, whining by non-citizen-foreign-fuck who is lucky
        to be allowed to come within 200 miles of the coast of this great
        nation, much less be allowed to live in it has been deleted because
        it turns my patriotic stomach.  You sniveling stupid fuck, GO HOME!
        How dare you have the nerve to bitch about *anything* in this country?
        Who the fuck do you think you are?  You have no rights.  If our fine
        government decided to stick your foreign spying ass into prison with
        out due process or just cause for the rest of your stinking, worthless
        miserable, whining life, I couldn't be happier.  Next you'll be crying
        that we're a bunch of racists for not letting you vote or run for
        political office.  Well, fuck you, go home foreign idiot fuck, you're
        not welcome here.
                              - descendant of a non-citizen foreign fuck
        \_ Tell me that you have been sacarstic about those who talked like you
           do. That's the only way I could thought of to give you credit.

        \_ Gee, I thought people would only have reason to hate the US because
           of stuff like unilateral invasions of Iraq, never mind xenophobic
           ranting.  We're starting to sound more and more like the countries
           we're taught to hate...
        \_ Actually, just about every country out there restricts the
           ability of foreign nationals to come in and work.  Nevermind when
           it involves national labs.  Complaining about it seems pretty
           fucking weak to me, too.  -jor
           \_ I don't fear foreigners.  I hate them.  There's a big
              difference.  You're right, we should completely open our borders
              like, uhm, uh, NO OTHER COUNTRY ON THE PLANET!  DUH!  They let
              _you_ vote?  As far as Iraq goes, when you're on BART and take
              in a whiff of Iraqi sponsored anthrax, let us all know what
              it feels like during your last three agonizing days of life.
              I don't know where you grew up but no one "taught" me to hate
              any countries.  In fact, I don't "hate" any countries.  I don't
              like whining stupid foreign fucks coming here and bitching that
              they don't have the rights that real citizens do.  Don't like
              it?  TOUGH SHIT!  Go back to the stinking third world pit you
              came from and compare that with your lifestyle here.  You've
              spent too much time eating potstickers, hanging out with BH.

                          - descendant of a non-citizen foreign fuck

              \_  While I agree that many jobs should be off limits to
                  foreigners, your frenzied response and hatred of
                  third world foreigners suggest to me that you are
                  someone who should be sent back to WWII era Imperial
                  Japanese Army to be slapped around by your lieutenants.
                  No, you do not qualify for the Wermacht.
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