3/22 What are you all you Bush defenders going to do when it turns
out that he lied to us all to drag into an unjust war?
http://csua.org/u/b66
\_ I don't care what reason we gave in '03. It should've gone like
this in '91. His father is the one who committed the crime. The
son is fixing it 12 years later. Works for me.
\_ Oh wow, so now any country can invade any other country
based on a crime committed sometime in its history.
\_ No. Any country can and always has been able to invade
another country based solely on the ability to do so. What
planet have you been living on where someone else's permission
was required?
\_ Removing Saddam is justified by any measure. However, if
Bush lied to do so, then fuck him, I say. Fuck him right
out of office.
\_ Gee, who do you think is a more likely liar, Bush or Hussein?
\_ Probably both.
\_ whether it's justified or not, the more important concerns
are of sovereignty and international law
\_ LOSERS of wars don't have sovereignty, dumbass.
\_ Oh, I see, law of the jungle eh?
\_ On *this* planet, between nations, yes. If I go into
your house and shoot your ass there are police and the
rest of the legal system to apprehend and punish me in
some way. If my country invades your country and
yours is too weak to stop it, then your country is a
footnote in history. There are more dead countries,
kingdoms, empires, etc in the history books than
currently exist on the planet. When this changes you
can let us know.
\_ the bush administration has decided abiding by
international law and the UN is for SUCKAH PUNKS.
this may lead to a few misunderstandings with
a few other countries in the very near future.
\_ What is international law? People keep using that
word without really thinking about what it might mean.
Is it backed by some principle, or is it just arrived
at by consensus of participating countries? I, for one,
wouldn't want a consensus of mostly nasty countries
determining what my country could or could not do.
\_ I really love when the lefties get upset that the US
is in violation of Kyoto, the land mine ban and a few
other treaties we never ratified or even signed in
some cases and then pretend we're in violation of some
mythical "international law".
\_ Most ppl get upset that the US failed to ratify
treaties that seem to be in the interest of
humanity at large for short-sighted business
reasons. Find me a reasonable rationale for
failing to ratify Kyoto, landmine, and chemical
weapons treaties.
\_ Kyoto: it's based on junk science and doesn't
put real limits on China, India and other 3rd
world nations that can easily out pollute us in
a few short years. Landmines: they'd want us to
pull up the mines in the DMZ between N/S Korea.
Chemical weapons: we've got a shitload of the
stuff and destroy it as fast as the plants will
run. What's your problem with that? Most "ppl"
run at the mouth based on ignorance and don't
have a clue what they're talking about beyond
what NPR told them to think.
\_ You usually do not invade a sovereign nation under
international law. The legal basis for invading
Iraq depends on UN resolutions after the war in
1991 started by Iraq's invasion of Kuwait. Here is
an Economist article about its legality:
http://www.economist.com/agenda/displayStory.cfm?story_id=1648347
\_ Why not? What if the country is nasty? Are you
willing to let people under a nasty regime suffer
because of the principle of sovereign immunity?
I think people's lives and happiness are more
important.
\_ If every country felt this way, there would be
no end to the wars. Think about it for a
second: the Christian countries would all
want to invade everyone else to "save" them.
The Muslim countries the same. All in the name
of "happiness." [formatd. again for you.]
\_ No end to wars? There will always be wars
so long as there are limited resources,
people disagree with each other, or religion
still exists. I think it's cute that you
believe wars will somehow magically end if
every country was just happily isolationist.
Are you a GO PAT! GO! follower?
\_ watch out! more imaginary missles incoming!
\_ laugh as he continues to keep FERC from stopping his energy
company buddies from raping California.
\_ Oh really?
Daniel Weintraub: New energy lessons from the last
crisis in California
http://www.sacbee.com/content/opinion/story/5932213p-6893078c.html |