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2010/1/14-25 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:53632 Activity:nil |
1/14 http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20100113/ts_csm/273734 "It's of little relative importance, given the magnitude of the human suffering in and around the Haitian capital of Port-au-Prince, but China's search-and-rescue team was the first to reach there Thursday, preceding US teams by a couple of hours." Oh no, they got there first even though the are many more hours away. The Chicom is going to make a big deal out of this. |
2009/10/7-21 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/President] UID:53432 Activity:low |
10/7 'Whatever' so totally tops most annoying word poll - Yahoo! News: http://www.csua.org/u/p80 \_ Whatever \_ You are obviously not hanging with the cool kids. It's "whatevs" \_ Don't forget to throw up both thumbs and index fingers together to make a "W". |
2009/8/19-9/1 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:53286 Activity:nil |
8/18 Creator of '60 Minutes' Don Hewitt dies - Yahoo! News Photos: http://www.csua.org/u/ous What's going on? Was Bill saying "No you can't take my bitch away!"? |
2009/6/30-7/15 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:53100 Activity:nil |
6/30 It appears that the coup in Honduras was ordered by the court and the congress to head off an illegal constitutional refferendum by the prez to make himself dictator for life. So, why does the Obama administration oppose this? Am I missing something? http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124623220955866301.html http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090628/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/lt_honduras_referendum \_ Because he was still legally president at the time. Illegal referendum = court throws it out and president may well be impeached. It doesn't mean the millitary comes in and kicks out the sitting president. A coup is not rule of law. \_ Since the prez lead a mob to attack the military installation holding the ballots, I think he was pretty much already starting his own coup. Directly throwing him out may not have been the perfectly legal solution, but it certainly makes sense given the circumstances. \_ The Journal is a Murdoch tool, especialy the Opinion section. \_ And the AP article? (That's why I posted both.) \_http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2009/jul/09/phone-hacking-inquiries Murdoch is having his papers tap the phones of opposition politians in Britian. Think he isn't doing the same here? |
2009/6/29-7/15 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:53085 Activity:nil |
6/29 Motd archiver is up and running: http://csua.com/24/?incr=1&local=0 \_ I like the shiny interface! Write support would be neat ;) Maybe even with authentication... - steven \_ I can write a "bridge" between a text motd and a more modern web version. Something that writes/deletes one, and makes changes to the other version. The text version will be good for old farts and the new version will be good for people born after 1985 who can't use vi/emacs /etc/motd.public. Is that what you're thinking of? -kchang \_ Something like that, yeah. I'm trying to think of ways to make it more accessible to new members. It's sad that they aren't as comfortable with a shell but that's how it's going (and it's not getting any better...) \_ Just lose the MOTD and put up a bulletin board. -tom |
2009/4/27-5/4 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:52914 Activity:low |
4/27 "Obama the first Asian-American president?" http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20090427/pl_afp/uspoliticsobama100daysasia Just like the way Clinton was the first African-American president. \_ Two wars, a banking, housing, and general economic crisis, a truly massive deficit, and now, Swine Flu. Has any president except for Lincoln and Roosevelt faced worse? \_ Clinton faced impeachment for an affair with an intern who was fat and who wasn't even pretty compared to the average twenty-something. IMO that was worse. \_ The two situations don't even seem comparable to me. One is a media "crisis", whereas the wars, economy, deficit, and flu are real threats to the country. Even Nixon's situation wasn't so dire a threat the the country: that was just removal of a criminal from office, not "jeesus, we're all fucked." \_ just curious, what made you write this response with any degree of seriousness? - !pp \_ A cynical belief that a lot of people REALLY DO think that sexual pecadillos such as Clinton's are that important. Look who voted for Bush in the last election. Rabid religiousity is rampant in this country, to our great detriment, and I know from experience that motd commentators are not all immune from religious rabies. \_ See the post on "Who would Jesus torture" above and ask yourself, am I wrong to be cynical about rabid religiousity? \_ What does her looks have to do with it? Would impeachment have been okay if Clinton's intern had been better looking? |
2009/3/13-19 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:52710 Activity:nil |
3/13 So Bill Clinton doesn't know what an embryo is? \_ obCigarJoke |
2009/3/8-17 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:52686 Activity:kinda low |
3/8 http://spectator.org/archives/2009/03/06/treasury-these-moments Obama has no idea what the fuck he's doing -Dem \_ A Democrat who reads the American Spectator? Really? \_ The GOP has fucked things up in ways you cannot imagine, but this does not equate to the Dems knowing what the fuck they're doing. We're all fucked! I'll let you know when I seee the Dems getting on the right track. -Dem \_ Cult of personality figures tend not to. \_ This is a slightly nicer web site than freerepublic. Kudos! \_ Both parties love Big Government: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/politics/story/63361.html |
2009/3/6-13 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:52682 Activity:nil |
3/6 Apparently, our State Department can't speak Russian http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0309/19719.html \_ See, Bush could've run that by Condi first. \_ Damn, why couldn't they consult with the motd first? Seems like we have more Russian speakers than the entire state department. No wonder only 6 months ago USA-Russia relations hit an all-time low since the Cold War. |
2009/2/4-9 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:52511 Activity:kinda low |
2/3 Well said: "What gets people upset are executives being rewarded for failure. Especially when those rewards are subsidized by US taxpayers." \_ Turns out, he gets it. \_ Talk is cheap. \_ Freedom is strength. \_ Isn't this something like FDR might have said? \_ http://www.hpol.org/fdr/inaug Practices of the unscrupulous money changers stand indicted in the court of public opinion, rejected by the hearts and minds of men. ... The money changers have fled their high seats in the temple of our civilization. We may now restore that temple to the ancient truths. Obama has a long ways to go to reach FDR's eloquence. \_ I'm young and have nothing, thus have nothing to lose with Socialism. Bring it on, Socialism is GOOD for us Gen-Y and Gen-Z! \_ You lie. We all know you are a bitter old man who is convinced his life is hard because he's only in the top 5%. \_ Nothing to lose but your FREEDOM!!!!!! \_ No, it's bad from Gen-Y and Gen-Z, it's good for baby-boomers. Gen-Y and Z have to work to support the older ones. Duh. \_ So does that mean the leaders of our failed government will work for free? Did Bush turn down his US taxpayer-funded salary for screwing the country over? I didn't think so. \_ When a President receives a $1m+ retirement package, come cry to us. \_ They already do. \_ Really? Or are you including book deals, lecture circuit, and think tank stipends? \_ Yes, really. Here, let me google that for you: http://www.senate.gov/reference/resources/pdf/98-249.pdf We paid Bill Clinton 1.1 million in 2008 alone (and remember, he's still raking in money from the things you mentioned. The last I heard, he'd made something like 100 million since leavin office, but I haven't like 100 million since leaving office, but I haven't looked into the exact number). Then there's the value of the other (nonpaid) benefits, such as the secret service detail assigned to him. \_ Read your own material: we paid him a pension of $200k and then we paid other expenses (including $500k in rent; if you want to argue that this is excessive, fine, I tend to agree, let's cap that, but it's not his pension). We did not give him a goodbye golden parachute of even $1m. \_ Wait -- so we're paying him $1m *every year* and you don't want to call that a $1m retirement package because in your head only the first $200k we pay him counts? okay... \_ I read and understood it, but apparently you believe that a "retirement package" consists solely of a one-time payment when employment ends? Clinton has been paid $8 million by the federal government since leaving office. During this same time period, George H.W. Bush has been paid $5.5 million, and Carter has received $4 million. I believe these all qualify as presidents receiving "a $1m+ retirement package". They don't work for the federal government anymore (hence "retirement"), and the total they've been paid since that retirement began is greater than $1million (for each of them). Most executive golden parachutes are structured the same way (with some expenses itemized, and being paid in later years). \_ You average retired army sergeant lives another 30 years and pulls down $35k/yr. I guess that is a "$1m pension" and obscene, by your standards. \_ Your comment contains my answer. When the value of a retirement package is being expressed across the life of the recipient, it is usually expressed as one dollar amount. When it is expressed as the annual value, it is customary to describe it as per year (whether you are a former president, former CEO, or retired army sergeant). Either is simply a factual way of describing it. So yes, a $35k/year pension could also be described as having a $1 million total value (but no, I wouldn't describe $1 million over 30 years as an obscene retirement package for anyone). Since Bill Clinton's retirement package can be described as $1 million per year, as well as (well over) $1 million total, my initial comment that we already have former presidents receiving $1 million retirement packages holds true even if you are incapable of making this distinction. |
2009/2/4-9 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:52510 Activity:nil |
2/4 Ouch, that left a mark on Daschle http://www.rollingstone.com/blogs/taibbiunbound/2008/12/the-whore-factor.php |
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2009/1/27-2/1 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:52478 Activity:nil |
1/27 http://www.realnews.org/index.php-option=com_content&task=view&id=59&Itemid=189.htm [Title: Hilary's Bush Connection. Summary: Ties to Alan Quasha.] \_ I knew hillary was evil! \- in case you are interested, the old white guy to the right of the clinton-bushco picture [chalmers johnson] is a former ucb prof who sort of went nuts. |
2009/1/22-27 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:52446 Activity:nil |
1/22 We now have more government workers than manufacturing Note the steady growth of gov't jobs http://fabiusmaximus.wordpress.com/2009/01/20/milestone \_ What is this guys source for data? Overall employment in the Federal Govt shrank during the Clinton years, but state govt may have more than made up for that, I don't know. \_ He says what his source is, right there on the page. \_ That source doesn't do it for me, but I tracked down the original data, which is from the US Census. Good enough for government work, right? The percentage of the population that has been employed by the government has been steady at 7% since 1980. The percentage employed in manufacturing has declined. \_ The numbers at http://www.bls.gov/emp/empmajorindustry.htm match OPs chart. (and btw, these show a 14% Gubment employment level, again not including tax attorneys and gubment contractors.) |
2009/1/6-12 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:52326 Activity:low |
1/6 URL speaks for itself, really http://www.metafilter.com/78015/The-ObamaBigfoot-Connection \_ Is Art Bell a Republican? \_ Your reading comprehension has been classified as: lacking. \_ You must not have read all the comments... |
2009/1/6-9 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:52322 Activity:nil |
1/5 What happened to Separation of Church and State? Where did all these churchy Dems come from? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ranzs4FkxHI \_ conservative democrat is the new republican \_ Going to church != conservative. Or do you think Obama's a conservative? \_ http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-10133425-38.html I think he's something we haven't seen in a long time. \_ Pragmatic? \_ he's a good republican. |
2008/12/15-28 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:52249 Activity:nil |
12/15 You've got to be kidding me. http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D953B0C00 \_ She's "an attorney, editor, writer and member of the New York and Washington, D.C. bar associations" according to wikipedia. How is she any less qualified than anyone else? |
2008/12/4-9 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq, Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:52162 Activity:kinda low |
12/4 Regarding the Somalian pirates, how about sailing some decoy ships back and forth around there, clandestinely armed, and give the pirates a very nasty shock? \- this is not a hard problem to solve. there just inst much interest in solving it on the part of the us govt. i.e. it's a issue of priority, not technique. \_ Does a decoy ship work? How do you make your decoy ship more attractive than the hundreds of ships out there? I don't think pirates choose the ships the same way pick-pocketers choose their victims by picking a seemingly vunerable one out of random victims by picking a seemingly vulnerable one out of random passers-by. \_ You put out a big sign that says "I'm just a poor undefended freighter loaded with gold. And poor me without any crew to guard me. Please don't hijack me." \_ Just say "Parlay" \_ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Q-ship \_ The obvious thing to do is to take over the Somalia government for a regime change, put in a puppet ruler of your choice or better yet, hold elections so it looks like it's their own fault for picking a leader nobody likes. Then you write constitutions in the new government, and MISSION ACCOMPLISHED! \_ You mean like what Clinton tried to do with Aidid? \_ Yeah, something like that, except O will have to stick around long enough to make sure it is done right. \_ how about "encouraging" a friendly neigbor, say, Ethiopia, to invade and install a suitable government... \_ Which country would want to invade a devestated messy country and set a foot into the mud? "There is no other country like America!" \_ The UN, with US leadership, would do it. This is a great opportunity for Obama to start to rebuild the shattered International community, that Bush so badly damaged. \_ Although I still think the international community should do something about this problem, once I read up on WHY the Somalis resort to piracy things made more sense. Many of these Somalis were fisherman, but the factory trawlers that scraped their fishing areas clean of fish have destroyed that livelihood -- first they tried attacking the trawlers but the trawlers fought back -- now they just make their money from piracy. \_ And they fight back against evil fish sailors aboard the Flying Dutchman, yarrr.. |
2008/11/24-12/1 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:52092 Activity:nil |
11/23 Cal's own Christina Romer to head White House Council of Econ Advisors: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20081124/pl_nm/us_usa_obama_romer_3 \_ Were there any other Cal people after Randy Katz who served at the White House? \_ Brad DeLong \_ There's an economics dude. I forget his name, but he's been on Daily Show/Colbert Report. Short guy. Beard. \- robert reich came to berkeley after washington. he is a lawyer not an economist. \_ Ug, he really is trying to recreate the clinton whitehouse. Taking a popular cal professor to chair the CEA. Problem is that Laura Tyson >> Christina Romer \- you dont know what you are talking about. i bet harvard is now upset over the Romer Fiasco. \_ Well, you are close to right. I don't know what YOU are talking about. What is the "Romer Fiasco"? As for what i'm talking about: I had both as professors and have read a good deal from both of them and I assure you that Laura Tyson is a far superior Economist. In fact, i'd go so far as to say that she is actually reasonably smart, which is rare in the field. \- compare http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christina_Romer#Career [which should answer the harvard fiasco question] with all the criticism of LT when appointed to the CEA chair. so far as to say that she is actually reasonably smart, which is rare in the field. \- well maybe you are smarter than "the field" but the "the field" disagrees with you in terms of academic reputation. compare http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christina_Romer#Career http://www.portfolio.com/views/blogs/market-movers/2008/05/22/the-romer-harvard-affair [which should answer the harvard fiasco question] with all the criticism of LT when appointed to the CEA chair: http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?article=whos_bashing_tyson [i've only dealt with LT directly and am pretty familar with her work on japan and "administrative guidance]. i only know CR's work on the depression indirectly. http://www.businessweek.com/archives/1993/b332045.arc.htm [i've only dealt with LT directly and am pretty familar with her work on japan and "administrative guidance"]. i only know CR's work on the Depression indirectly. also your premise that picking a berkeley economist for cea-> recreate the clinton whitehouse suggests you arent to be taken seriously. a better bit of evidence is the presence of LT and RR on the transition team. |
2008/11/20-21 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/RepublicanMedia] UID:52058 Activity:low |
11/20 So I remember when WND and their motd.followers started calling the genocide in Rwanda, the "Clinton genocide" because he did nothing while it happened. Are you all calling the Congo and Sudan massacres the "Bush genocide's" as well? \_ This would require a level of introspection that has been prominently lacking in WND and Bush apologists. |
2008/11/16-17 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:52001 Activity:low |
11/16 "The Clinton Cleavage, They're Real and They're Spectacular!" http://www.csua.org/u/my6 (mensnewsdaily.com) Is this real? \_ uh... no \_ that was terrible. Thanks, but no thanks. |
2008/11/9-12 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:51888 Activity:nil |
11/9 "How Ex-Presidents & Prime Ministers Make Their Money" http://blogs.static.mentalfloss.com/blogs/archives/20010.html Not all world leaders step-down equal. |
2008/10/16-20 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:51555 Activity:low |
10/16 You think the deficit is bad? Look at the debt side. http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20081016/ts_csm/adebt '"At the end of the last fiscal year, that (the national debt) came to $53 trillion or about $550,000 per household," he says. "We may well have passed the point where the federal government's total financial hole exceeds the net worth of all Americans."' \_ $53T is a bullshit number, made up by a bunch of chicken little's who don't know how to do economic analysis. \_ A number from The United States Comptroller General for the past 10 years is a bullshit number? \_ Sorry Republicans, no one is buying your BS anymore. \_ Actually, for the past three decades, all those presidents who brought up the debt w.r.t. GDP were Republicans, and all those who brought it down were Democrats. http://zfacts.com/p/461.html \_ But the first GBush's Read My Lips tax raise was the cause of Clinton era's surplus. Don't take credit without giving credit. \_ http://preview.tinyurl.com/2zfhkg "The problem with Medicare, Walker says, is people keep living longer, and medical costs keep rising at twice the rate of inflation. But instead of dealing with the problem, he says, the president and the Congress made things much worse in Dec. 2003, when they expanded the Medicare program to include prescription drug coverage." The real problem is that medical costs cannot continue to grow at 7%/yr without consuming the entire economy. Something that cannot happen will eventually stop growing, I am sure of that. cannot happen will not, I am sure of that. |
2008/10/8-9 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51441 Activity:high |
10/8 Palin = Star Wars, Clinton = Star Trek: http://preview.tinyurl.com/4xcgzj [io9] \_ Obama won his Senate race because of Star Trek, no joke. \_ How so? \_ The Illinois senator/incumbent/expected to win candidate dropped out of the race after it became public his wife, Jeri Ryan, divorced him because she got sick of him dragging her to public sex clubs and him trying to nail her in front of other people. The Illinois Republican party couldn't find anyone popular enough to run in his place... so they invited Alan Keyes to move to Illinois and run for the empty spot. More people voted for Obama than Alan Keyes. \_ You forgot that Obama sued to unseal their divorce records. \_ No, the Chicago Tribune sued, on grounds that they were unjustly sealed. But why stop making shit up? \_ He got his Obama and Liberal Media talking points mixed up, you have to excuse him. \_ Jeri Ryan as in 7 of 9? Wow. \_ That's semi revisionist history going on. Yes that all happened, but my memory was it was a close race but Obama was in the lead before the whole sexual scandal. Also, Jack Ryan was not an incumbent. \_ I can't tell reliably. I found a page by Michelle Malkin about this subject. puke. \_ People should be a little more understanding for someone wanting to nail Jeri Ryan in public. \_ I'd rather nail Jeri Thompson in public. \_ I want her all to myself. |
2008/10/8-9 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Academia/GradSchool] UID:51424 Activity:kinda low |
10/8 http://tinyurl.com/4pyc3o The difficulty with the evaluating the Chicago Challenge is that Chicago schools improved dramatically overall during this study. There were already vast improvements happening within Chicago Schools when the Annenberg Grant came through. It was difficult to tell what improvements were the result of the challenge and what improvements were the result of other improvements already in play. The Chicago Challenge failed only in our inability to reach conclusions based on the data. Chicago's schools faired far better than the other cities studied (including Gulliani's New York). The fact is that the Challenge very well could have improved all Chicago schools. We simply can't know this for certain based on the research. \_ Now how is this related to Obama having weekly dinners with a domestic terrorist? \_ Weekly? Is there a legitimate source for this? \_ You are so cute when you foam at the mouth. |
2008/9/25-30 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Finance/Banking] UID:51291 Activity:kinda low |
9/25 In 1999 the Clinton administration pressured Fannie Mae "to expand mortgage loans among low and moderate income people." The NYTimes warned "But the government-subsidized corporation may run into trouble in an economic downturn, prompting a government rescue similar to that of the savings and loan industry in the 1980's." http://tinyurl.com/4ulb87 \_ CLINTON AND BROWN PEOPLES FAULT! \_ This American Life has already found the culprits: http://www.thislife.org/Radio_Episode.aspx?sched=1242 \_ And in the same year, the LA times talked about how great it was http://articles.latimes.com/1999/may/31/news/mn-42807 \_ http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2004/08/20040809-9.html \_ Most non insane economists believe this month's troubles are from the crazy securitization of home mortgages, not the actual defaulted mortgages themselves. I am not quite smart enough to tell if they are right. Here in NYC Michelle Malkin keeps ranting in the NY Daily News that its all the fault of illegal immigrants getting mortgages. \_ McCain should have picked Malkin as his Veep, at least she is articulate and no less batshit insane than Palin. |
2008/9/22-24 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:51260 Activity:nil |
9/22 why does the onion ALWAYS KNOW WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN http://www.theonion.com/content/node/28784 \_ I think the CIA must be tipping them off or something. \_ Old joke: how do we know the CIA didn't kill Kennedy? Answer: He's dead, isn't he? |
2008/9/20-23 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/President/Reagan] UID:51243 Activity:nil |
9/20 "There isn't one grain of anything in the world that is sold in a free market. Not one! The only place you see a free market is in the speeches of politicians. People who are not in the Midwest do not understand that this is a socialist country." --Dwayne Orville Andreas, CEO of Archer Daniels Midland http://www.motherjones.com/news/special_reports/1995/07/carney.html |
2008/9/9-14 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51113 Activity:nil |
9/9 I am a democrat but my prediction is Obama will lose. He's a better speech giver, but what exactly has he done? He can talk the talk but there's no proof that he has what it takes do to the job. He had a golden opportunity to pick Hillary as the VP to form the dream ticket. It would've shown to the outside world that he will unite force with competitors for the common good, and he can put aside criticisms in the past. The combined ticket will also benefit from advice and help from Bill Clinton, who bought us 8 great years before the current bush fuckup, and whom I and a lot of people highly respect. But no, his current pick shows his arrogance (who needs the Clintons), immaturity (pick a white dude with more experience but less well known), insecurity (Clintons will have different view from him so his job will be easier without the Clintons), and over estimating himself. He is a black person after all. While I have nothing against black people, wining the election as a black person will be quite a challenge in itself. He's not Collin Powell, he's just a young black dude with good speaking skill at a good opportunity, but has yet to prove himself. Will there be enough people that trust him? It was a very smart move for McCain to pick a female VP. You have a war hero with a woman VP to win those voters that supports woman in politics. Unfortunately this will be a much bigger percentage than the die hard Clinton supporters that will vote for Obama because they've got no choice. Personally I probably won't even vote. The only way Obama is going to win is if the country really got sick and tired of the Republican Party after 8 years and wants something different. If this is the only thing he's banking on then it's very risky. Let's just hope that the war trained McCain got more common senses than Bush does so it won't be that bad if McCain wins. \_ You know what? You might be right that O could lose. However, you're still an idiot. \_ I'm a decline-to-state who voted for Hilary in the primary and McCain in the 2000 primary. I've always (so far) voted Democrat in Presidential elections. I am not wild about Obama, but I don't think he will lose. I think the choice of Biden was a good one (Biden was my pick for President above Hilary, but dropped out before I voted). The Clintons are very polarizing, which is what I told my Democrat friends back when Hilary was running for the Senate. A lot of people love them, but a lot of people really hate them. I think their association hurt Al Gore and Bill didn't do Hilary any favors in this election. Obama was wise to avoid them. McCain isn't really loved by anyone, even Republicans, because he is a loose cannon and Palin's strength is in appealing to voters who weren't going to vote for Obama anyway. I guess it draws out Republicans who might have stayed home otherwise if that was an issue. I think a Biden/Obama ticket makes more sense than an Obama/Biden ticket. My main beef with Obama is that I still know almost nothing about him or his record. He's a very charismatic speaker which makes me nervous, because people like that can be convincing. That *can* be a plus, but I don't like that attribute when mixed with his status as a relative unknown. I like leaders with a track record. \_ That is basically the same thing The Economist said about him, that he needs to define himself better if he wants to win. \- the fact that sarah palin appeals to anyone is a deep condemnation of america. and why are you paraoid about barak's unknowns rather than palin's knowns and things mccain has said he would do [like further plutocratization]. between experience and somebody treating me with contempt ["alaska is on the border \- the fact that sarah palin appeals to anyone is a deep condemnation of america. and why are you paraoid about barak's unknowns rather than palin's knowns and things mccain has said he would do [like further plutocratization]. between experience and somebody treating me with contempt ["alaska is on the border with russia, thus ..."] and additionally there some some evidence obama is refelctive, unlike BUSHCO ... and may studies show often the incompetent are overly confident. \_ What does this say? Does some one here speak illegible? \_ What does this say? Does someone here speak illegible? \_ It says your reading comprehension is low. \_ or the author is writing to the wrong audience. Does he/she want to be read and understood, or just seem aloof and elitist. \_ Man, I had always thought the elites would at least use occasional capitalization. \_ ...the wrong audience? This is the CSUA motd, not freerepublic. Work that Cal degree, code monkey. \_ Where did I say that I like Palin at all let alone more than Obama? |
2008/9/3 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:51026 Activity:nil |
9/3 Wait, wow, the lady who called Hillary Clinton a "whiner" for complaining of sexism is now crying "Sexism!" Hilarious.. Awesome... |
2008/8/28-9/3 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:50989 Activity:nil |
8/28 More Zombie: DNC giant puppet parade! http://csua.org/u/m7o \_ If you were a POW, you wouldn't be worried about silly parades! \_ you know, anyone who really thinks zombietime is interesting could go see his schtick themselves. \_ Sure, I could go hang around all day to watch some protestors, but I have better things to do. This takes 5 min. in my compy office and is free. \_ I'm saying you don't need to post it to MOTD. \_ Ok fine, but come on, giant puppet parade. That bears posting no matter who took the pictures. |
2008/8/27-9/3 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:50987 Activity:kinda low |
8/27 Rising tide has not been lifting all boats: http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/08/26/about-that-bush-boom \_ dems, always wanting a handout from highly productive republicans </sarcasm> \_ Look at all the whining people in the comments. "Master's degrees from esteemed universities mean little ... journalism" LAUGH. This article is stupid though: the data shows improvement from 2006 to 2007 yet Krugman is talking about fantasyland 2000 numbers. \_ "These increases in earnings follow three years of annual decline in real earnings for both men and women." \_ Economics aren't important when you're a POW! \_ and? do you think the 2000 economy was long term viable and bush came in and screwed it up? \_ Yes, I think Bush and the Republicans have been terrible stewarts of the economy, don't you? The situation in 2000 was no where near as bad as what we have today. \_ Which actions or nonactions can you put your finger on? The NASDAQ crash was in March 2000. DJIA crashed after 9/11/2001. Why was 2000 so much better than today? \_ Oh come on. How about a little problem like doubling the national debt? Blowing $1T on a pointless war? Giving a huge tax cut to his rich cronies, who of course invested it (mostly overseas) instead of to the middle class, who actually would have spent it, boosting the economy. Adding a budget busting drug benefit to Medicare, right when we could least afford it. Should I go on? \_ Yes but Democrats also voted for that pointless war and continued to fund it. (do you really think the war was utterly pointless?) Medicare drugs? McCain voted against it. Democrats passed it. My point, which I'm tired of having to bring up repeatedly, is that you keep fingering Republicans for things that both Republicans and Democrats did. And yet you aren't independent. It's partisan stupidity. \_ A majority of Democrats voted against the war, and also against the Bush tax cuts. You seriously believe that Iraq isn't "Bush's War"? You are delusional. All this happened with a GOP President and a GOP Congress, so yes, they are the ones responsible. I forgot another one: the whole housing bubble/meltdown, which Bush encouraged and failed to do anything about, when he should have been regulating the IBs. No, I am not independent. I used to be, but Bush convinced me to join the Democratic Party. \_ Bush should have regulated IBs? Don't you think Congress has some responsibility there? What exactly should they do? A whole lot of people bought houses who shouldn't have. That's the people's fault, just like the dot bomb. What about the Greenspan and the Fed? Greenspan was appointed by both R's and D's. Greenspan admitted that the housing bubble was engendered by the decline in real long-term interest rates" Why do you ignore what happened in 2000/2001? Where do you think the blame lay there? Bush again? We have had a Democrat Congress since 2006 and they have done pretty much nothing different. Furthermore there were no Democrat initiatives addressing the housing bubble. \_ 2000/1 is mostly the responsibility of Bill Clinton. It is the Executive branches responsibility to control the money supply, all those fools would not have bought houses if the Fed and the Treasury Dept had not been asleep at the switch when the IBs created all the unregulated money. It would have been easy for them to turn off the tap, they just believed that the "invsible hand" would sort it out. The Democrats have had how many bills blocked or vetoed since 2006? The GOP had six years of total power and they fucked it up. Why are you making excuses for them? Greenspan is a Randoid from way back, in no way shape or form is he a Democrat, nor believe in any kind of liberal policy framework. \_ Laugh! Clinton appointed him too. You tell me how many relevant bills were blocked or vetoed. Bush only has 12 vetoes so those should be easy for you. I'm not making excuses for the R's. IMO the real problems are ignored by both parties and people like you. (e.g the Fed) Obama talks about change but he is not effectively different from any mainstream republicrat. \_ I am not going to try and explain the very complicated topic of bank regulation here, but suffice to say that the Executive alone, via the FDIC and the OCC has a huge influence on the money supply. Clinton was pretty much a moderate, true, but he was still a much, much better stewart of the economy than Bush. Obama will reverse the worst Bush tax cuts and also end the Iraq War, if nothing else, that will improve our fiscal deficit. He is also talking about a middle class tax cut and infrastructure spending, which shold help the economy more. No, you won't get a revolution from either party in America, people are too complacent here to want that. And surely you know the rest of the Greenspan quote you pulled from wikipedia, where he stated that asset markets put credit control out of the Fed's hands. \_ Which is obviously false. Greenspan of course wants to duck responsibility. I like the Bush tax cuts. I just hate the Bush/Congressional spending. The Iraq War is going to end up about the same, Obama or not. I don't want more gov't spending, I want less. Middle class tax cut? Maybe if you redefine middle class. \_ Every family maing under $150k/yr That isn't middle class to you? |
2008/8/13-19 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:50861 Activity:nil |
8/13 So are the Bush-loving GOPers: http://preview.tinyurl.com/5hpybb \_ You have some evidence that the shooter likes Bush or is GOP? \_ You have some evidence that the shooter liked Bush or was GOP? \_ "Gwatney owned three Little Rock area car dealerships and the search of Johnson's home turned up two sets of keys for vehicles from Gwatney car lots." You dumbass, he was just a twistoid. http://www.kmph.com/Global/story.asp?S=8841748&nav=menu612_2_2 \_ Actually a Democratic donor: http://preview.tinyurl.com/6om3cj Look he gave money to Bill Clinton! Can we add him to the Clinton Death List? |
2008/7/15-23 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/President/Reagan, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:50579 Activity:nil |
7/15 How the government cooks economic statistics (great article by Kevin Phillips) http://www.harpers.org/archive/2008/05/0082023 \- YMWTGF(cambridge forum kevin philips) |
2008/7/14-23 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:50568 Activity:nil |
7/14 The Fox Newsification of AP: http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/16193.html |
2008/7/8-11 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/President/Reagan] UID:50498 Activity:nil |
7/8 Economic data fudging by the government: http://preview.tinyurl.com/5ol574 [madconomist.com] \_ I liked this: Soviet Collapse Lessons http://preview.tinyurl.com/6gw4ax \_ I liked this one as well. \_ Where does this site come from? |
2008/7/5-10 [Politics/Domestic/Gay, Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:50475 Activity:high |
7/4 Jesse Helms is dead. Too bad he didn't die in pain: maybe God is Conservative afterall. At least he gave America a good present on this 231st birthday of ours. \_ 232nd. And thanks for showing the example of all that is wrong with politics today. \_ I'm not a fan of cheering death, but I'm willing to make an exception for someone as dispicable as Jesse Helms. It is at times like this when I wished I believed in hell. \_ Yay, you rejoice in someone's death because of their different opinion! \_ No, Helms was a monster. Do you think we should be respectful of Saddam Hussein too? Sometimes the world is better off without people. !pp \_ Ooh! The new godwin. Helms didn't dip people in vats of acid for fun. \_ He would have if he'd gotten away with it. Look, this asshole made life really difficult for a lot of people simply just because he hated them. His passing is a blessing, and the world is better off without him. Sorry, but it's the truth. Your moral relativism isn't welcome here. \_ Yah, you're right, a legislator who has opinions you disagree with is just as bad as a murderous dictator! \_ Helms fought hard to make federal funds for needle exchanges illegal. Because of him needle addicts in this country have attrociously high AIDS rates. In most other countries public health was considered more important and the governemnts made needle exchange programs a priority as soon as the dangers were apparent. Hell even Thather realized that was important. Forgetting Helms rampant racism and homopobia, his close friendship with Pinochet (so close the FBI were pretty sure Helms tipped Pinochet off when the CIA were going after him), that alone makes him a horrid little man. Helms wasn't just a politician I disagreed with, he was an evil man. Fuck him, his death was welcome. \_ Why is it the government's job to fund needle exchanges? Why didn't you fund them yourself? Needle sharers getting AIDS have only themselves to blame. Or maybe you. \_ It's the government's job to try to contain epidemics. Needle exchange is cheap and effective and a no brainer. And even if you think all junkies should just die, they will spread AIDS to others. Oh, and fuck you. \_ AIDS does not meet the criteria for an epidemic spread, it meets the spread criteria for an occupational disease (like black lung). But you know, don't let facts get in the way. In fact, the handling of black lung is a good model for how we should be handling AIDS. -- ilyas \_ "facts," eh? According to Duesberg? /------------------/ How stupid are you? I am not claiming HIV doesn't cause AIDS, I am claiming AIDS does not behave like an epidemic disease, it behaves like an occupational disease. -- ilyas \_ According to who? \_ A disease that isn't communicated except by sticking needles in yourself or having sex isn't an epidemic. \_ Or by being raped, or by being born to a woman who is HIV+, and some people don't have any choice about needles being stuck into them, such as in hemophilia and accidental health care related needlesticks. \_ Needle exchs won't stop that. Do you have proof it would? These people do not give a fuck. If it's not needles they'll probably have u.sex. I do think govt should probably just let people acquire supplies legally, and drugs too actually, in a structured way to try to neuter drug gangs. Preventing public health _/ epidemics is one of THE most things government does. Cheap, painless, effective prevention should always be prioritized over moralizing about personal choices. Yes, the government should try to prevent addiction, however the reality is there are addicts, and those addicts are getting AIDS via needles. It took over a decade for enough states to start needle sharing for it to make a difference where if there wasn't the HELMS AMENDMENT (see it even has his name) we could have had serious needle exchange programs within a year. Programs that would have paid for themselves 1000x times over in almost no time by preventing expensive AIDS care and loss of productivity. \_ right, because the solution to every problem which confronts our society is less government. We get it. \_ AIDS via needle sharing is not a public health epidemic. Isn't it paradoxical to have criminalized drug use and yet on the other hand support them with a needle exchange program? I'd rather just legalize it all. \_ legalizing it would make the public health problem and the need for needle exchange problems even more acute. -tom \_ No, because right now you can't get needles legally. They need to share needles because they don't have enough needles because the government prevents them from getting them without a prescription. So now you want a government program to let people exchange the needles they do (illegally) have which doesn't increase the # of needles (and requires participants to expose themselves to arrest. If you make them exchange 1 for 1, then they'll still share. If you don't, then you'll get used needles being littered around. The focus should be on safe practices to prevent nurses from infecting themselves, safe sex, finding an actual cure, and getting people off injection drugs. Legalized drug distribution in safe forms might help. \_ Thank you, Ron Paul. Now, back on planet Earth... -tom \_ hush tom, the grownups are talking. \_ Jesse Helms was one of the leaders of our own home-grown Taliban. The world is better off without him. Here are some choice quotes: http://home.att.net/~jrhsc/helms.html \_ Sully got it right: May he rest in the peace he so wanted to deny to so many others. |
2008/6/25-30 [Finance/Banking, Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:50374 Activity:nil |
6/25 I'm not a big clinton hater but why is Obama asking his supporters to help her pay off her campaign debt? Her husband pulls in literally 100s of millions a year from speaking fees, why don't they just pay it off themselves and move on? \_ Or why doesn't Obama pay Hillary to do some stops for him out of his massive not-publicly-funded warchest? \_ So do you not care that McCain signed up for public financing in order to get loans backed by that money back when he wasn't sure he'd win the primary but then when once he won he said oh wait, I'm going to back out of that public financing thing haha, wait did I legally agree to do public financing. Well fuck that. I'm not! \_ Well first of all that wouldn't be legal... \_ dunno. I really don't think Hillary is funded by $$ concerns. \- First, the amount BCLINTON has access to is slightly exaggerated. Let's say 10s of million. Second, to some extent apparently helping with this kind of debt is to some extent "standard practice". Third, particularly given #2, it would probably have been "easier" to agree to it than risk the lying and untrustoworthy Clinton people making hay out of it (again, the inside story is the Obama people are constantly worried about what the Clintons might have up their sleave). Fourth, we'll see to what extent he's just going through the motions. I agree Hillary has some fucking gall to ask any body the exceptionally rich to do this ... but there are some weird legal issues covering your ability to raise funds for a campaign which is no longer really in effect. \_ Why don't you sign your name? \_ The psb needs not sign his name. --psb #3 fan |
2008/6/23-24 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:50335 Activity:nil |
6/23 http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/20/opinion/20brooks.html "And then on Thursday, Fast Eddie Obama had his finest hour. Barack Obama has worked on political reform more than any other issue. He aspires to be to political reform what Bono is to fighting disease in Africa. He.s spent much of his career talking about how much he believes in public financing. In January 2007, he told Larry King that the public-financing system works. In February 2007, he challenged Republicans to limit their spending and vowed to do so along with them if he were the nominee. In February 2008, he said he would aggressively pursue spending limits. He answered a Midwest Democracy Network questionnaire by reminding everyone that he has been a longtime advocate of the public-financing system. "But Thursday, at the first breath of political inconvenience, Fast Eddie Obama threw public financing under the truck. In so doing, he probably dealt a death-blow to the cause of campaign-finance reform. And the only thing that changed between Thursday and when he lauded the system is that Obama's got more money now." \_ "Fast Eddie Obama"? David Brooks has valid points. Shame he's got such a hard-on for a Heritage Foundation sinecure. |
2008/6/16-20 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:50269 Activity:nil |
6/16 I think it's pretty funny that the very first line on the Obama smear fighting page is itself a lie. http://www.suntimes.com/news/quicktakes/1006833,CST-NWS-qt15.article \_ Don't you feel like giving obama's baby mamma a terrorist fist jab or something? \_ Parsed like a true Bill Clinton, my friend! \_ Yeah, Rush Limbaugh is my hero, too. |
2008/6/10-13 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:50219 Activity:nil |
6/10 Oops. More problems with Obama's friends. http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/06/obamas-answer-o.html \_ Heh, nice comment from JA on the page about Bsuh Obama similarity. \_ Did you ever figure out who killed Vince Foster? |
2008/6/3-4 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:50139 Activity:low |
6/3 Clinton 'open' to joining Obama http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7432696.stm \_ That would be pretty funny if this happened and then Obama was pres but then died somehow and then HRC was president. \_ At least we would know that it wasn't the Ku Klux Klan who assasinated Obama. http://www.dailysquib.co.uk/?c=117&a=1227 \_ Why do dumb people keep thinking they are as clever as the Onion? \_ Chill out. The Daily Squib is the UK-equivalent of The Onion. -- PP |
2008/6/3-4 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:50132 Activity:nil |
6/2 Bo Diddley, dead: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080602/ap_en_ot/obit_diddley |
2008/6/3 [Politics/Domestic/HateGroups, Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:50124 Activity:nil |
6/2 Obama is willing to ditch his own church in order to win the election. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080601/ap_on_el_pr/obama How faithful. \_ After hanging out with the Klan for 20 years, he decides it's politically expedient to leave. \_ Yeah, the Klan. That's right. What an apt analogy. I mean it's SO obvious. \_ You're right. It's just as racist, but doesn't physically harm people. ^the Klan^his co-racists \_ The crazy is strong in this one. \_ Didn't we beat this horse a few day ago? \_ Give it up, you have already lost the election. Prepare yourself for at least four years and probably eight years of being in the \_ Obama is going to implode, trust me. \_ Why should I trust you? What other predictions have you made that were on the mark? \_ Well, it looks to me like he's already imploding. Obama! The only guy who could lose to the R's in '08! -!pp \_ What the hell are you talking about? Are you the person who thinks Obama wants to rape all the white wimmin? \_ I don't remember THAT post on the motd. -pp \_ http://www.pollingreport.com/wh08gen.htm Imploding. \_ That's a very strange def of imploding |
2008/5/31-6/5 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:50103 Activity:kinda low |
5/30 Clinton is winning Puerto Rico. YES. \- i wouldnt dismisss the PA results but the PR results are totally meaningless ... Clinton is basically the Senator from Puerto Rico: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puerto_Rican_migration_to_New_York#Currently Either you are being sarcastic or ... Your brain has been classified as: poco. --psb \_ Are you a MCCain supporter or a Hillary supporter? Why wont you sign your name? Are you embarrassed to be a Hillary supporter? \_ I'll just use your name. -- psb \_ Why won't YOU sign your name? -jrleek (!pp !op) \- i have been an strong obama supporter since Feb [i was out of the country before that and pretty much assumed hillary the liar would win, so i didnt develop any strong opinions and just ruminated on mccain vs clinton]. i also think it is reasonable to have many anonymous conversation on the motd ["where can i get a good sandwich in berkeley"] but for threaded discussion, anonymity makes it hard to know if you are talking to the same person ... so i jokingly suggested signing with a hash of your name. are there *any* soda motd/wall participants willing to publicly say "i support hillary clinton". there are people publicly willing to take different sides on the iraq war, gun control, gaylordism, drug legalization, the housing crisis/financial regulation, and i believe there are some mccain supporters, but how come no hillary supporters are willing to name themselves? is it more socially awkward to admit to being a hillary supporter than to talk about your love of p0rn, as numerous sloda people are willing to discuss [wang, holob, the asp], or again does it say something about the lack of confidence and general insecurity of hillary fans? or am i mistaken about this? i am prepared to respond to "you are a naive fool for voting for somebody with no experience". i can also understand "i have no interest in discussing politics on sloda" ... in which case why the craven crowing [i assume OP is a hillary supporter not a mccain person]. by they way, i certainly can understand your being embarrassed to be a hillary supporter, so i dont expect you to announce yourself. i am just curious if you are embarrassed. for example i've written lots of one off sloppy code and i'm embarrassed to show it to people if that comes up. so i certainly understand when another colleague is sheepish about sharing something done at a low quality. but it is a different matter when somebody shares something and has no clue it is crap and has no sense of knowing better and the attendant reticence. --psb \_ I was being funny. I cannot think of anyone who seriously still believes Hillary can win the nomination. It was a good fight. It's interesting that Obama is really not winning a giant landslide of pledged delegates, but I guess in delegate races we often get these really close contests. \_ Why do you support Obama? -emarkp \_ how can you NOT support Obama? McCain wants us in Iraq for the next 500 years, he seriously believes that the Iraq conflict is exactly like us assisting peace loving Germans, Japanese, Koreans, Puerto Ricans, Hawaiians, have I left out any of our other successful military occupations of this century? \_ Those are reasons to *not* support McCain. I see nothing to recommend Obama. -emarkp \_ "I do not want to keep our troops in Iraq a minute longer than necessary to secure our interests there." - jmccain What you're saying is a blatant mischaracterization. McCain wants the mission to be completed. Do you think it would take 500 years? \- Obama treats people seriously ... I've been impressed with his "big speeches" [post-Rev Wright race speech] and smaller stuff [the way he handled a stupid reporter when he left the Trinity Church over the weekend]. I also believe "character matters". In ths case his democratic opposition, Hillary Clinton, is a lying, sleazy, sanctimoious hypocrite. Policy obviously matters as well, an on those grounds, I'm worried about McCain and "plutocraticzation" ... note: I've long liked I also believe "character matters". In this case his democratic opponent, Hillary Clinton, is a lying, sleazy,sanctimonious hypocrite. Policy obviously matters as well. On those grounds, I'm worried about McCain and "plutocratization" ... note: I've long liked and "plutocraticzation" ... note: I've long liked McCain -- for reasons I wont go into -- I put a fair amount of weight on his VN story and a few other things ... but his recent pandering [gas tax] is a little disturbing. We also have to forgive some campaign time pandering, but I've again been impressed with Obama relatively good record on this [ok some on trade, but 1. there are issues there 2. at least he treated people like adults on the gas tax] and in contrast Clinton the liar has gone over the top denouncing the enter science and profession of economics. Also on McCain, I'm less sure than many a precipitous withdrawal from Iraq is a good idea ... not because of the terrorism issue, but I think the US has responsibilities to prevent a Rwanda-like slaughter there, so they need to factor that in to their calculations, not "only" minimizing US casualties. I am not a Lawrence Lessig Fanboy ... I had never gone to his WOB site before this ... but his 20min PPoint on "Why I'm for Barak" is a good statement of "my position". http://lessig.org/blog/2008/02/20_minutes_or_so_on_why_i_am_4.html http://blip.tv/file/664200 I strongly encourge people to watch the first one. I'll skip re-interating Hillary's list of Unbelievable Cockroach moves. I'll skip reiterating Hillary's list of Unbelievable Cockroach Moves. Sure some Obama supporters are shallow youth just going along for trendy-ish reasons, but he seems to have gotten a disproportionate amount of the supprt of "serious adults" with a good record of being smart and principled, e.g. Prof deLong and Senator GOPAT. Which Hillary endorser are you impressed with? Eva Longoria? Look at their endorsements page on Wikipedia. Paul Krugman's endorsement tant him, and doesnt help her [like his apologia about her gas tax stance saying "it's not a big deal" ... missing the point he is obvously aware of that it's what it says about her, not the policy issue ... if a friend of your steals $5 from your wallet when you are in the bathroom, is that "not a big deal"?]. \_ Any particular policy of his you like? \- put somethng on the table, if you want an answer. \- put something on the table, if you want an answer. \_ Huh? -emarkp \_ No one knows what the mission is. Unless you're talking about McCain's fantasy of Iraq becoming a warm friendly place where an American soldier can walk down the street unarmed and only fear being pelted with delightly spring begonias, and THEN we'll leave. \- Peace with Honor. \_ There you go again. Do you honestly believe that? If you're gonna try to discuss things like an adult then you shouldn't exaggerate. Reality should be enough. The mission is to safeguard the security of the new Iraqi state: "John McCain believes it is strategically and morally essential for the United States to support the Government of Iraq to become capable of governing itself and safeguarding its people." "Our goal is an Iraq that no longer needs American troops." \_ iraqi state is artificial construct. Cheney is secretly an Iranian Shiite cleric. We should just pack up and leave Iraq, we have messed up beyond any reasonable doubt. \_ McCain has changed his mind about half a dozen times on what "The Mission" is, so he is not to be trusted. What is the goal this week? \_ Interesting. What were the 6 different things? \_ The war will be easy. -2002 The war will be hard. -2003 We should not leave a permanent force. -2005 We should stay 100 years. -2008 We should make Iraq a democracy. -2006 We should make Iraq stable. -2007 http://tinyurl.com/3o6w3x \_ next goal will be 'we cant leave Iraq because then Iran will just roll on in and annex it, thereby controlling over half of the world's remaining oil.' by then i'll probably agree. good work, BushCo. - sad liberal. |
2008/5/31-6/2 [Politics/Domestic/HateGroups, Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:50102 Activity:low |
5/31 Obama resigns from controversial church http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/05/31/obama.church/index.html Ha ha! \_ I thought he disavowed Wright long ago? \_ He disavowed Wright a few weeks (month?) back, but Wright \_ He disabowed Wright a few weeks (month?) back, but Wright had actually retired as Pastor before that. So Obama was still a member of the church under a different pastor. \_ ...after a white Roman Catholic priest, acting as a guest pastor, delivered a racially charged sermon. Yes, kids, truth is stranger than fiction. \_ After hanging out with the Klan for 20 years, he decides it's politically expedient to leave. |
2008/5/29-6/1 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:50092 Activity:nil |
5/29 The press wasn't nearly as nice when the book that came out was criticizing Clinton. http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,21447,00.html?iid=chix-sphere \_ One story is exactly the same as the other! Everthing is a vast conspiracy! 8 years ago was yesterday! The press wants Bush to fail! \_ Where is the Time story covering McClellan's book? What? You mean there isn't one? Why is that??? |
2008/5/26-30 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush, Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:50053 Activity:nil |
5/25 Even the AP is has noticed the Obama is just making up his policy as he goes along. http://csua.org/u/lnn \_ you're an idiot. \_ A stunning argument! The opposition can make no response! \_ Masturbation's a one-player game. \_ Oh, you may carry on with it then, but please stop jizzing all over the motd. \_ Freeper: the sound of one hand fapping. \_ http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2021273/posts \_ The Hugo Chavez one is kinda 'meh' since he could be saying that Chavez's power increased due to Bush's negligence. I think it's pretty obvious he hasn't thought through his position on things like FARC tho'. |
2008/5/26-30 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:50052 Activity:nil 74%like:50050 |
5/25 Obama's gaffes are really starting to pile up. http://www.tothepointnews.com/content/view/3208/2 That link is a little silly, it suggests Obama is on drugs, I just posted it for the accurate list of mistakes it starts out with. \_ obama would have to rape a white woman on The View to lose the nomination now. \_ Obama's expertise in MIND CONTROL clearly indicates he is a North Korean agent: http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-talk/2008/05/clinton_camp_stokes_rfk_flap_b.html "barack set me up!" I think HillBill are trying to bait Obama into describing her as a "hysterical bitch"/"psycho ex-girlfriend of the democratic party" so all the menopausal bitter women will vote for her. \_ Are you a super-delegate? Do you think there are any on the motd? Who are you trying to convince? \_ Wha? Are we not allowed to discuss canidates for POTUS on the motd now? \_ You had something to discuss here? I thought your point was to further smears and distort fact into sensation. What did I miss? \_ 10,000 dead in Kansas! \_ What do you expect from a KNOWN CRYPTO-MARXIST? \_ What do you expect from a known Marxist? |
2008/5/23-27 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:50042 Activity:low |
5/23 "With the news this morning that Bill Clinton and other Hillary Clinton supporters are openly pushing for Barack Obama to choose Hillary as his running mate, it has become apparent that the Clinton camp is going through the stages of the Kübler-Ross model of coping with death or tragedy." \_ now in "bargaining"? -tom \_ I think Hilary wants $20M. --PeterM \_ $31M at last count. \_ "That's a nice black candidate you got there. It would be a shame if something were to happen to him..." -- ilyas |
2008/5/22-23 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:50025 Activity:low |
5/22 Bill Gross on underreporting the CPI and what it means for the little investor: http://preview.tinyurl.com/52vfy2 \_ http://www.theleftcoaster.com/archives/004721.php \_ http://www.isil.org/towards-liberty/inflation-gov-lies.html \_ http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=59409 \_ Ah so it started with the Carter administration. See, Democraps are evil! \_ It actually started with Clinton, but that doesn't change your basic premise. Politicians of both parties lie all the time. \_ LIES. The Bureau of Labor Statistics doesn't lie. The government doesn't lie. Why would it lie? \_ Ron Paul has been saying this for years and people say he's some sort of crazy racist. http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/congrec2008/cr031108h.htm http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/congrec2008/cr0305a08h.htm http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/congrec2008/cr022608h.htm http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/congrec2008/cr021308h.htm http://http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/congrec2006/cr050206.htm http://http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/congrec2006/cr042506.htm \_ Non sequitur often? \_ Oh it's sequitous. Here these directly question CPI: http://http://www.house.gov/paul/tst/tst2004/tst030804.htm http://http://www.house.gov/paul/tst/tst2006/tst071006.htm http://http://www.house.gov/paul/press/press2006/pr021506.htm \_ What does race have to do with inflation? \_ Ron Paul IS a crazy racist, irrespective of what he has to say about the CPI. |
2008/5/20-23 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:50015 Activity:nil |
5/20 Here's my recollection of the final candidates in presidential elections of which I have memory: 1980: Jimmy Carter vs. Ronald Reagan 1992: George Bush vs. Bill Clinton 2000: George W. Bush vs. Al Gore 2004: George W. Bush vs. John Kerry 2008: Hillary Clinton vs. Barack Obama (With the media coverage, it sure feels that way.) \_ Do a lot of drugs such that you missed so many? \_ I don't always remember the losing candidate. Besides, I wasn't in this country until 1989 when I was 19. Oh, I just recalled one more losing candidate called "Dukakis" or something, but I forgot which year it was. Maybe 1996? BTW Ross Perot doesn't count. \_ So, basically, your recollection is worthless. We should pay attention to you why? \_ No reason. BTW I could've filled in the gaps by STFW, but that wouldn't be from memory. \_ You don't remember Bob Dole? I guess he was pretty forgettable. \_ You don't remember Bob Dole? I guess he was pretty forgettable. |
2008/5/16-23 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/President/Reagan] UID:49979 Activity:nil |
5/1 Huckabee's lame Obama joke http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/05/huckabee-jokes.html \_ He might have been referring to this: http://www.banhandgunsnow.org/everyhandgun/index.html http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5582268 http://preview.tinyurl.com/4fvb83 [democratic underground] |
2008/5/14-16 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:49942 Activity:nil |
5/14 If you don't vote for Obama you're a racist http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/05/14/navarrette/index.html?eref=rss_topstories \_ The author didn't even recognize Obama is not exactly, to borrow his phrase, "black American". \_ Really? He's not American? He's not black? \_ He wasn't raised as an American during his formative years. |
2008/5/7-9 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:49897 Activity:nil 80%like:49911 |
5/6 Losing Our Spines to Save Our Necks http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sam-harris/losing-our-spines-to-save_b_10\0132.html |
2008/5/3-8 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:49880 Activity:moderate |
5/2 Hillary: Let's cut gas tax! Blue Collar: Yay! McCain: Let's cut gas tax! \_ McCain proposed it, Hillary agreed. Blue Collar: Yay! Obama: Gas tax break will increase demand and the cost of gasoline in the long run. Besides, it is not sustainable and not a long term solution. \- For an short term inelastic demand good, the price will be set by the demand, and if you drap the tax, that will convert consumer surplus into windfall profits. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_incidence This is like an Econ 1 midterm question. \_ What about if demand is elastic? \- a full discusson of this is beyond the scope of the motd. a fuller discussion involves questions of "is it movement along the demand curve" or "is it a shift of the agg demand curve". also the view w.r.t. to oil is supply is also constrained due to refining capacity being maxed out, but this is complicated by the possibility of drawing down inventory stocks. but what really makes this complicated is the "clean theory" assums competive markets [prce takers, marginal cost pricing]. the theory of monopol is also "clean" but the world we are probably in w.r.t. to oil is oligopoly ... and that isnt a "clean" theory ... anyway, let's leave it at that. Big Oil: We'll just raise your cost to match whatever price difference the temporary lack of tax would create, and pocket the the money. HA Blue Collar: FUCK YOU! \_ I think you underestimate the Blue Collar in this country. -raised BC \_ I think you underestimate the Blue Collar in this country. -raised BC \_ Vote for GEORGE W BUSH! PATRIOTISM, SERVE OUR COUNTRY! -BC \_ That was BC in 2002. What do you think it is like today? \_ McCain served in the armed forces and was patriotic. VOTE FOR MCCAIN, FIGHT TERRORISTS! -BC \_ Kerry had a rather more distinguished record of service compared to Bush, and look how that went. \_ SWIFT BOAT LIES! -BC \_ No, now it is more like MY GAS COSTS TOO MUCH. @#$%! BUSH \_ No, now it is more like MY GAS COSTS TOO MUCH. @#$%! BUSH AND ALL THOSE POLITICIANS IN DC! \_ The gas companies don't care what the tax rate is. There is more gasoline sitting in storage in the US right now than there has been for years. Current prices have little to do with the gas tax or a healthy functioning market. For starters, states like CA should get together with nearby states and use the same formula for gas. That would create a larger market of the same product and yield a more stable price as well as lower prices over all. Strengthen the dollar. Since oil prices are effectively keyed to the value of the dollar, as the dollar decreases oil prices *must* increase. This isn't even Econ 1 type stuff. \- Hillary Clinton has decided to ignore "so called experts" and "history" and "the facts" ... 'cause she's The Deciderette. Hmm, now who does that sound like? "Trust me ... I'm experienced, compassonate, tough, have what it takes, can swiftboat somebody when I need to ..." http://delong.typepad.com/sdj/2008/05/friends-dont-le.html http://delong.typepad.com/sdj/2008/05/expertise.html http://delong.typepad.com/sdj/2008/05/i-think-paul-kr.html |
2008/5/3-8 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:49879 Activity:nil |
5/3 The Clinton's Karl Rove: http://tinyurl.com/5ve9ps |
2008/4/25-30 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:49835 Activity:nil |
4/25 The first black president of the US: Bill Clinton http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap_campaignplus/20080425/ap_ca/on_deadline_race |
2008/4/16-23 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:49766 Activity:nil |
4/16 Hillary Clinton on working class democrats in 1995: "Screw 'em." http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/16/hillary-clinton-on-workin_n_97017.html \_ Is HRC a typical white person? |
2008/4/16-23 [Politics/Domestic/911, Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:49762 Activity:nil |
4/16 Funny (and yes, totally biased, I get it, mmmmmkay) guide to conservative blogosphere http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0816,a-confederacy-of-dunces,411897,1.html/full \_ "I even got my own Tom Tomorrow cartoon! The jagged yellow spikes must be caused by all of that evil." http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/29635_Village_Voice_Savages_Righty_Blogs \_ Epic fail. |
2008/4/12-16 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:49741 Activity:nil |
4/11 Hillary Clinton's shameless pandering in response to Obama 'bitter' remarks: http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/12/clinton-touts-her-experience-with-guns |
2008/4/11-12 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:49727 Activity:kinda low |
4/11 So we now know that Ds not only want a minimum wage, but a maximum as well. Would that apply to the Clintons? \_ Well obviously. What are they doing making over $10 an hour? \_ What the hell are you blathering about? You might want to increase the dosage on your medication. \_ google 'obama CEO pay' \_ I see that he says that shareholders should set CEO pay. Don't you agree? \_ I don't see what leglislators have to do with it, or what requiring publicly traded companies to have shareholders make a nonbinding resolution would accomplish. \_ Legislators are allowed to have opinions, too. In fact, they are often expected to have opinions about controversial topics of the day, like CEO compensation. Repeal the First Amendment if that disturbs you so much. |
2008/4/9-12 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:49693 Activity:nil |
4/8 Jews cannot afford to not support Obama http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/ikey-galacticca/gGggBH This is an interesting thing to find on Obama site... \_ There's some good lines in there: "[The Clintons] should retire because their brains are old and dried up and devoid of any new and fresh ideas." \_ ERROR: invalid page requested \_ Aww, they took it down. (It's been up for a month.) I googled around and found another copy on craigslist of all places http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/pol/633548733.html \_ http://my.barackobama.com is a social network. Any loser can create a page there - the campaign can't police all the content there. Just like any other social network that's full of both good and crappy content. Get over your feigned outrage. \_ I know that. I'm not outraged at all. This is a pretty good example of a poorly thought out and managed political strategy though. Plus, this rant is funny. \_ Yeah, the rant is funny. Do you think the social network is a poorly thought out campaign strategy? From what I can tell, he's raising unprecedented amounts of cash and getting huge numbers of volunteers. \_ I don't really think that's related to his own social networking site, although I could be wrong. digg and dailykos are serving the same purpose for him. Having his own offical social networking/blog site allows nut- cases to post wocky stuff that looks official. |
2008/3/30-4/6 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:49613 Activity:nil |
3/28 Finally, the Clinton Death Spiral? Obama up 10 pts in Gallup tracking poll for first time http://www.gallup.com/poll/105841/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Now-52-Clintons-42.aspx \_ And McCain still up on both. (Barely.) \_ Not a problem once the democrats have a decisive choice. Voter turnout in the primaries had the 2nd place democratic candidate often beating the sum total of all republican votes so I think the presidential will pretty much be decided by the Clinton/ Obama choice. \_ Are there any numbers from previous elections that equate higher primary turnout with general election victory? Are you taking into account the huge number of cross over voters this year who voted strategically? Are you counting the number of people in both C and O camps who said they would stay home or vote for M if their candidate didn't get the nomination? \_ I don't think he was counting anything. His statement was more of a statement of faith than anything else. -!pp |
2008/3/26-28 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:49575 Activity:nil 83%like:49569 |
3/25 This picture pretty much speaks for itself http://preview.tinyurl.com/yst66p [national review] http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/185608.php |
2008/3/26 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:49569 Activity:nil 83%like:49575 |
3/25 This picture pretty much speaks for itself http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MDA2YTFkMmUxNjliNDIzODU1MWQxZmY1MjdiMDE0OGM= http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/185608.php |
2008/3/25-28 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:49562 Activity:nil 78%like:49560 |
3/25 Hillary channels Rush Limbaugh http://preview.tinyurl.com/2rwf8r [Pittsburg Tribune-Review] A major donor of hers goes even further: http://preview.tinyurl.com/yqyk5q [tpm] \_ She's just a typical white person. \_ And you're a typical troll, wee! \_ Rush Limbaugh doesn't appear on either link. WTH are you talking about? |
2008/3/25 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:49560 Activity:nil 78%like:49562 |
3/25 Hillary channels Rush Limbaugh http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/breaking/s_558930.html A major donor of hers goes even further: http://preview.tinyurl.com/yqyk5q [tpm] \_ She's just a typical white person. \_ And you're a typical troll, wee! \_ Rush Limbaugh doesn't appear on either link. WTH are you talking about? |
2008/3/25-28 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:49559 Activity:nil |
3/25 Obama is Dubya's cousin! http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080325/ap_on_el_pr/candidates_genealogy \_ Nth cousin means "is human" and not much else. |
2008/3/24-27 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:49555 Activity:low |
3/24 CBS has picked up the Hillary/Bosnia snafu http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BfNqhV5hg4 \- ^snafu^lie \_ Snafu? You meant to say "lie". There's a looong way from "We were under threat of death from sniper fire! They send the First Lady when it is too dangerous to send the President!" to "We hopped off the plane into a beautiful sunny day where young local girls tossed flowers at us". \_ The interesting thing was how she invented an entire long story extolling the evasive capabilities of the transport plane and pantomimed "running to the cars". "And that's how it happened." Just bizarre. And now she said "I misspoke" which is another lie. \- I am not sure what the Clinton equivalent of "faith-based community" is, but it's not "reality based". Maybe "Hillary- expedient-recovered-memory-based". I agree with you the "vividness" of some of her recollections are disturbing ... like she has some kind of heroic delusion. I think she actually believes she is more clever than Bill Clinton, which is clearly untrue. If she loses, I wonder if they will effectively split up. |
2008/3/24-27 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:49550 Activity:kinda low |
3/24 Wow, you'd think with all that experience, Hillary wouldn't be such a bad liar (re: visit to Bosnia). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=It6JN7ALF7 \_ The press covered for Hill&Bill for 15+ years. They didn't have to be good liars. They got busted all through the 90s but mostly the press ignored it. Now that the press is leaning heavily to Obama, they are showing the world what the Clintons always were and cover for Obama instead. All very amusing. \_ The primaries will never end. I suspect Hillary and Obama will be gearing up for their 3000th debate right around the Inauguration of McCain. \_ ALGOR is going to settle this by becoming the nominee. \- Must not destroy Robot. \_ She doesn't actually kiss the little 8 year old Bosnian girl. She just makes a kissing motion but presses her cheek against her. \- This really has gone beyond "spin" and exaggeration to lying. \- This really has gone beyond "spin" and exaggeration (ALGOR && the Internet) to lying: On Bosnia, see: http://tinyurl.com/2k8yxg [wapo] On Northern Ireland, see: http://tinyurl.com/2ff9xe ... this time not a comedian, but a Nobel Prize winner. http://tinyurl.com/2ff9xe (this time not a comedian, but a Nobel Prize winner) This kind of thing is beyond "mere sleaze" like this: http://tinyurl.com/2sbrjo I know this is really long [20min], but it is a much more eloquent and cogent version of "why i [psb] hate hillary clinton" than i could put together: http://lessig.org/blog/2008/02/20_minutes_or_so_on_why_i_am_4.html It's about a month out of date but still very worth listening to, particularly if you have come to appreciate "character matters" It's about a month out of date but still very much worth listening to, particularly if you have come to appreciate "character matters" in who you vote for, rather than just the policy bundle [which a lot of ex-BUSHCO supporters have come to realize]. I strongly, strongly, strongly encourage any fence sitters of good conscience to watch that [if you have both feet on the Hillary side, I dont have much to say to you]. --psb \_ Some girl who wants to ***** my ***** out is for Hillary. so I'm for Hillary. \_ Thanks for posting the url though. I wonder if I can find an Obama girl... \- one reason the anti-abortion nutjobs and are powerful beyond their numbers, is they are spending their friday nights and sat afternoons agitating, while "apathetic"` younger people are out tring to find people to ***** their ***** out. but supposedly people can combine activism and socializing in the obama campaign [this is secondhand]. i thought most of the people you'ld have met at a hillary rally are menopausal women and economic losers? anyway, after you both go your own ways, be sure to tell her the only reason you "went through the hillary supporting motions" was so she'd "go through the motions". be sure to refer to hillary as "the sanctimonious hypocritical liar" so she knows which hillary you are talking about. \_ Uhm, I suspect most people reading the motd have already had their shot at primary voting. Who are you trying to convince? |
2008/3/23-27 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:49543 Activity:nil 90%like:49537 |
3/22 Obama retakes lead in Gallup http://preview.tinyurl.com/35lwoq [gallup] \_ GOBAMA! |
2008/3/22-24 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:49537 Activity:nil 90%like:49543 |
3/22 Obama retakes lead in Gallup http://www.gallup.com/poll/105529/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Edges-Ahead-Clinton.aspx |
2008/3/21-24 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:49524 Activity:nil |
3/21 State Department refusing to release names of passport-breaching employees http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/03/todays_must_read_300.php \_ It would give aid and comfort to the terrorists. |
2008/3/20-25 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:49520 Activity:nil |
3/20 2 State Department Employees fired for looking at Barack Obama's passport file. WTF? http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/obama_passport http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23736254 Apparently there were three breaches over the past three months. This smells really bad, given the Bush Administration's habit of replacing career bureacracts with Republican operatives. \_ Wouldn't be a Repub conspiracy if they didn't fire them? \_ Didn't Clinton have the FBI do the same thing? \- yes, and then they made lame comments like "well we stopped at the letter G". and "we were evaluating if they were security risks, and we were considering giving them jobs" ... so did they consider james baker iii a possible security risk or a possible clinton admin job candidate? \_ Fired? I bet they get a promotion: http://www.csua.org/u/l33 |
2008/3/14-17 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:49458 Activity:nil |
3/14 Yay! Dem-led congress rejects earmark reforms! \_ Earmark reform is a strange beast. It is arguable people mad at something but taking it out on the wrong tool. Earmarks by nature are not evil. Earmark != pork. \_ Yes, all earmark = pork. \_ Meet the new boss, same as the old boss. We won't be fooled again! \_ "earmark reform" is one of those great conservative ideology-laden terms, like "tax reform" and "welfare reform." Conservatives don't really have a problem with earmarks; they just don't want to provide public services. -tom \_ Case in point, 2000-2006 congresses were the worst ever with respect to earmarks, but now that the Democrats got control Bush and the republicans in congress have been complaining about earmarks long and loud. The democrats did push through a bill that required that the earmarker actually be named in an earmark so that you could see what congresscritter asked for what earmarks, which was something that could not pass when the republicans controlled congress. \_ Note: Obama has released his earmarks. Hillary "I've got a secret" Clinton has not as of yet. McCain hasn't been doing earmarks for a while. |
2008/3/13-17 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:49450 Activity:low |
3/13 Oops, the media has finally noticed Obama's racist preacher. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWvxTUy47Fk \_ Racist. \_ Obama's response: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/barack-obama/on-my-faith-and-my-church_b_91623.html http://preview.tinyurl.com/23hqyu [huffington post] I'm sure the media will give him exacty the same treatment as they do when Pat Robertson makes some off the wall remarks. Yep. Totally sure. \_ Pat Robertson is responsible for what he says. Obama is not responsible for what someone else says. Understand the difference? |
2008/3/12-13 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:49437 Activity:nil |
3/12 I watch BBC everyday to get away from US news yet it keeps talking about Clinton vs. Obama. Really pisses me off. |
2008/3/12-13 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:49433 Activity:nil |
3/12 Sinbad bags on Hillary's "crisis" experience in Kosovo http://preview.tinyurl.com/2ol5ob [washington post] \_ Old news, posted below on 3/10 \_ Huh, I missed that. -op |
2008/3/12 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:49430 Activity:nil |
3/12 Does Geri Ferraro not realize what a fucking hypocrite she is? "Clinton wouldn't be in the position she is if she was a man." |
2008/3/11-13 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:49429 Activity:high |
3/11 13 scandals, all Republicans labeled as such, only one D labeled: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Blotter/popup?id=2841254&contentIndex=1&page=1 \_ False. Look again. Is Tobias Republican? How about West? \_ Ooh, you're right. They failed to label 2 R's. Compared to all but one D. \_ Or you could say that they failed to label 2 R's and 3 D's one of whom was President Clinton. Does anyone really know one of whom was President Clinton. Does anyone really not know that Clinton was a Democrat? But they did pick twice as many R scandals. Is that liberal bias or just the fact that R's have been getting in hot water more lately? |
2008/3/11-13 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:49418 Activity:nil |
3/10 The smoking gun on Hillary's foreign policy claims is...Sinbad?! http://blog.washingtonpost.com/sleuth/2008/03/sinbad_unloads_on_hillary_clin.html \_ And this, kids, is why you don't fluff your resume. |
2008/3/10-13 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:49408 Activity:low |
3/10 I love this expose of the liberal media circle. http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/198/7060 thinkprogress -> media matters -> Keith Olbermann -> media matters -> new york times \_ So if I go on national tv and ask if George Bush rapes little boys that's totally just you know, sillyness? \_ You haven't watched the clip, obviously. -emarkp \_ Even if done in jest, it is the sort of thing that adds up. Especially when done on a serious news program. \_ Sorry, you're an idiot. Beck has called the people who are asking if Obama is the Anti-Christ, "crazy" and "nutjobs". Mockery and sarcasm are common and reasonable ways to express an opinion. -emarkp \_ It's the way the mockery and sarcasm are presented. Find me a talking head asking "Is George Bush a Nazi?" on a national news show. I doubt you'll find it. \_ So you still haven't watched the clip? -emarkp \_ Ah yes, the "liberal media." \_ Yes, precisely. -emarkp \_ Exactly how "liberal" did you find the NYTimes series on WMD? A little bit, a lot, or extremely? Damn liberals! \_ How fair did you find the front-page utterly fabricated smear on McCain? A little bit, a lot, or extremely? \_ The Times sucks. No disagreement from me. But calling them the "liberal media" is ignoring reality. \_ Yes, you're repeatedly denied that they're liberal. However, they consistently err on the side of criticizing the right. -emarkp \_ Except for their years-long crusade on behalf of the Whitewater investigation, their shameful series on WMD from Judith Miller, etc... \_ Ah, I wrote "consistently". My bad. I meant to say they do so in the overwhelming majority. -emarkp \_ I'm not sure what you base this "overwhelming majority" assertion on. They infuriate me on a daily basis. --liberal \_ Hypothesis: The right is worthy of criticism more often. \_ Odd hypothesis, and probably difficult to test. \_ Eliot Spitzer, the Democratic mayor of [prove] \_ Eliot Spitzer, the Democratic gvrnr of New York just got busted on a connection with a prostitution ring (!?). -- ilyas \_ ... which the Times is doing a huge story on. \_ yes. And note, he wasn't "connected with a prostitution ring"; he hired a prostitute. -tom \_ Governor of NY State. \_ Yes sorry, fixed. -- ilyas \_ I disagree. They just tend to go after whoever is in power, which is part of the role of media as government watchdog. See the huge above the fold story about Spitzer right now. It has just been so long since the Democrats were in power, that people have forgotten the role the NYT played in attacking Clinton, Rostenkowski, etc. The NYT might be slightly more liberal than most, but that is just a reflection of their readership. Overall, they are just another big corporation, controlled by billionaires and in the business of selling ads. Why do you believe otherwise? \_ If their role is to go after those in power, why did they play such a major role in aiding and abetting the WMD shenanigans and in going into Iraq in the first place? \_ War against a foreign country only happens when the moneyed classes think they are going to profit from it. -George Orwell \_ I guess I've never seen Keith Olbermann before, he looks like he's made of plastic. |
2008/3/10-13 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:49404 Activity:nil 88%like:49402 |
3/10 Why there won't be a second Florida primary: http://preview.tinyurl.com/2yz4s2 [new republic] |
2008/3/10 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:49402 Activity:nil 88%like:49404 |
3/10 Why there won't be a second Florida primary: http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=8da17f52-5cff-4a48-9d49-a7d2293aefd9 |
2008/3/9-11 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:49398 Activity:moderate |
3/9 Basically, the math is simple. Hillary's screwed. http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/3/9/184226/0219/795/473137 \- i wouldnt discount the out-of-the-box thinking capacity of the reptiles in hillary inc. i think factors in play are florida., michigan, edwards, ALGOR, "obama surprise", some judicial stunt, mccain doing something to set up mccain-billary, modelling the brains of menopausal women aka "the hillary base". on a positive note is lot of cash for obama. who can keep supporting hillary after the fucking "as far as i know" comment. jesus. remember normal odds handicapping doesnt work when the otherwise doesnt play by MoQ rules but will bite, gouge, hit under the belt etc. brains of menopausal women aka "the hillary base" and the Power of Bill. on a positive note is lot of cash for obama. who can keep supporting hillary after the fucking "as far as i know" comment. jesus. remember normal odds handicapping doesnt work when the otherwise doesnt play by MoQ rules but will bite, gouge, hit other sidedoesnt play by MoQ rules but will bite, gouge, hit under the belt etc. \_ Hi. Hillary supporter here. what is the 'as far as i know' thing? \_ Clinton was asked in an interview whether BHO is a Muslim. She basically said "No, he's not. As far as I know." \_ oh. ok that's pretty bad. \- and then she went on to talk about herself ... "oh i dont believe in smearing people ... i've been smeared a lot. did i tell you i know what it is like to be smeared?" constrast that with obama's above and beyond the call comments about "i am not a muslim" + "it's sad that being called a muslim can be considered a smear". remember michael igantieff's lesson from iraq: character matters. [i.e. if you get into bed with evil fuckers just because you agree with them on some particlar end [say universal healthcare] you will get burned. remember michael ignatieff's lesson from his iraq war mea culpa: character matters [MI = liberal supporter of the war, who later came to the reali- zation, if you get into bed with evil fuckers, just because you agree with them on some particular policy platform --- say universal healthcare --- you will get burned ... because ultimately what matters is they are evil fuckers.] \- also see: http://tinyurl.com/2ewyx6 \_ Here's the video: http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=55904 |
2008/3/8-11 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:49389 Activity:nil 90%like:49388 |
3/8 Oops, looks like Obama may have actually won Texas http://csua.org/u/kzq (npr) \_ That was expected, since Obama does so well in caucuses. IIRC I heard that the Clinton campaign was trying to supress the reporting of the outcome of the caucuses so she could claim victory on the night of. \_ Why do we let republicans like you come on here to bash hillary? She's the smartest woman in the world and it's about time a woman ran this country. Take your hate elsewhere. \- Sandra Day O'Conner is 10x smarter than Hillary. |
2008/3/8 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:49388 Activity:nil 90%like:49389 |
3/8 Oops, looks like Obama may have actually won Texas http://www.npr.org/blogs/news/2008/03/texas_twostep_leaving_dems_fla_1.html |
2008/3/6-7 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:49371 Activity:nil |
3/6 No one remembers that the national Dems warned FL Dems not to have their early primary? And FL Dems chose to do it anyway (deciding not to have a caucus later)? http://www.sptimes.com/2007/06/13/State/Florida_primary_will_.shtml \_ I remember, why did you forget or something? The FL voters are always trying to twist the rules to their advantage, remember 2000? \_ That wasn't the voters |
2008/3/5-7 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:49347 Activity:nil 90%like:49344 |
3/5 America is "just downright mean" says Mrs. Obama http://preview.tinyurl.com/23jjtf (newyorker.com) |
2008/3/5 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:49344 Activity:nil 90%like:49347 |
3/5 America is "just downright mean" says Mrs. Obama http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/03/10/080310fa_fact_collins?currentPage=3 |
2008/3/1-5 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:49312 Activity:low |
3/1 holy shit Hillary Clinton is on Saturday Night Live! She must be desperate or something. I feel sorry for her. \_ Well yeah, her campaign was dead weeks ago. Hail Mary! \_ Appearing on the Arsenio Hall Show worked for Bill. \_ Arsenio Hall Show circa 1992 wasn't nearly as bad (and unwatched) as the current SNL season. \- i think some of the OBAMA v HILARY answers on 60m tonight were insightful as to why i personally hate hilary and like obama more. and this is one question where i think my reaction was somewhat representative of wide range of people: when obama was asked about the "hussein smear", he stated clearly that he was an xtian and the went the UNNECESSARY AND POLITCALLY RISKY BUT PRINCIPLED extra mile to comment on "not that claiming somebody is a muslim should be a slur". now contract that wil hillary's answers to the episode where she said weaslely things like "yes, to the best of my knowledge obama is not a muslim" and then proceeded to talk about herself ... about how "i know what it is to be smeared" etc. \_ *That* is why you hate her? That's just typical political dissembling. There are many reasons to hate her, but that is hardly the top of the list. Anyway, in 48 hours it'll over be "officially" over because she already lost a month ago out in reality-world. \- no that is just emblematic, jsut like i dont hate BUSHCO because of his flippant, cowbowish comments, but that too is emblematic. in the obama case, going the extra mile and making the "pro muslim" commnt comes at a (potental) cost. \_ did some Desperate Hillarite delete this to keep people from seeing what a fool she made of herself? \- in same the spirit, see Tom Dashle [Obama] vs Harold Ickes [Billary] on CROSE show. HICKIES sounds like the anti-google people ... "people who prefer searching on GOOG dont realize our search engine is better" "do you trust GOOG to tell you what to think?" "GOOG is a vulnurable company built on one idea". but of course maybe it is unfair to judge them based on a guy who has been a professional weasel since 1968. n.b. HICKES went to The Fraud. Speaking of fraud: http://tinyurl.com/ypskol |
2008/2/29-3/4 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Israel] UID:49305 Activity:nil 97%like:49298 |
2/28 The lying, despicable campaign to turn Jews against Obama http://preview.tinyurl.com/38zy54 (tpm) \_ Man, I keep misreading this as: 'The lying, despicable campaign of the Jews against Obama' \_ I read the first 10 paragraphs or so before I couldn't take it anymore. This opinion piece is just stupid and fact free. \_ So you think that attempting to Godwin Obama is legit? \_ No one is Godwining Obama. Or if they are this 'article' certainly doesn't make a strong case for it. The flip side of the Godwin thing is that you're not being Godwinned if the charges are true, which remains to be seen in Obama's case, since he's a good speaker but doesn't say much. \_ I see. So you're in bed with the smear tactics. Cool, got it. \_ That line doesn't even make sense. Shessh. -!pp \_ Classic case of reading what you want to read, instead of reading what was said. Your Rhetoric 1A grade to date is "F," but you still have time to pull it up to a "C" if you work at it and come to office hours every week. -pp \_ This really is a poorly written article. It's making a mountain of a molehill (Tim Russert) who was already making a molehill of a pebble (Farrakhan). It's like cascading stupidity. \- i thought it was a decent article. it is about more than just the tim russert issue. it might have been nice to have a few more facts about how "marginal" farrakhan is, but i can understand why he didnt get into it ... i think most of his audience would have been willing to accept farrakhan = nutjob and you dont need to do much more than draw the analogy to an endorsement from David Duke. |
2008/2/29-3/4 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:49299 Activity:nil |
2/28 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3gQfz8GC0o http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Etk_O-nhlA4 \_ Hillary cackles in response to serious questions as technique to avoid answering same questions. Amusing but not really meaningful now since her campaign ended Feb 5th. |
2008/2/29 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Israel] UID:49298 Activity:nil 97%like:49305 |
2/28 The lying, despicable campaign to turn Jews against Obama http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/02/29/the_lying_despicable_campaign |
2008/2/29 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:49297 Activity:nil |
2/28 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Etk_O-nhlA4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Etk_O-nhlA4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3gQfz8GC0o |
2008/2/28-3/4 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/SocialSecurity] UID:49283 Activity:nil |
2/28 http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0406-30.htm Republicans, as a group, may be happier because, on average, they prioritize personal goals and largely identify with people similar to them. Compared with Democrats and Independents, their main goals are narrower and more selfish, and thus more easily obtained. \_ Dems need to get the fuck smarter AND co-opt self-reliance \_ What are the goals of (D) and (I)? If your goals are pie in the sky and truly unreachable of course you'll be unhappy. This has nothing to do with your trolling. \_ Rich people are happier than poor people. Does this surprise anyone? \_ Actually past a certain poverty level, it's not entirely clear this is true. -- ilyas |
2008/2/26-3/4 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:49259 Activity:nil 92%like:49258 |
2/26 Interesting article about Obama's policy team http://preview.tinyurl.com/3cn6xr (tnr.com) \_ That is interesting. Thanks. It will be nice to have a president more interested in competence than ideology. \_ So if he had people who you didn't agree with would you still say they are competent? |
2008/2/26 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:49258 Activity:nil 92%like:49259 |
2/26 Interesting article about Obama's policy team http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=4d40a39e-8f57-4054-bd99-94bc9d19be1a |
2008/2/25-29 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/Immigration] UID:49248 Activity:nil |
2/25 Why Obama Hates America http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/JB26Aa01.html It's even better than you think. \_ Wow, just wow. Fortunately he's pretty good at responding to this tripe. \_ I think he prefers tendon, rare steak, brisket, and finally tripe in that order. \_ There's never a rare steak, brisket, flank combo. Irritating. \_ You obviously don't eat Pho. \_ This the magazine that ran the editorial "Why I Hate Blacks" http://www.nbc11.com/news/11128382/detail.html |
2008/2/25-26 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:49234 Activity:nil |
2/24 Clinton campaign caught circulating photo of Obama in traditional Somali garb: http://drudgereport.com/flashoa.htm Clinton campaign non-denial denial: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/179989.php \_ Is that a fake photo? \_ Nope, it's from a 2006 congressional delegation to Somalia \_ Nope, it's from a 2006 congressional delegation to Kenya Senators and reps do this sort of thing all the time - go to foreign country, try on the traditional outfit. The slime is in the suggestion that there's anything wrong with the picture. [just keep on deleting and I'll keep restoring] |
2008/2/18-21 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:49176 Activity:nil |
2/16 Poverty is Poison: http://www.csua.org/u/ksu \_ You know, this article started off good until it got to "But progress stalled thereafter: American politics shifted to the right..." which has the effect of turning off 1/2 of the readers in the U.S. On the other hand, I don't know any conservative reading NY times so maybe it's well fitted. \- if you are interested in this topic, read WHY ZEBRAS DONT GET ULCERS. very, very good book. [the book is primarily about something else, but coverns this in some depth as well]. --psb |
2008/2/16-18 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:49166 Activity:nil 54%like:49156 |
2/15 Obama and Clinton bribe the superdelegates: http://preview.tinyurl.com/384jru (ap.google.com) |
2008/2/15-16 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:49162 Activity:nil |
2/15 http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5i5y6nS4ErwjpwekMrJe53uPrnTcwD8UQCMEG2 :wq le |
2008/2/15 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:49156 Activity:nil 54%like:49166 |
2/15 http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5i5y6nS4ErwjpwekMrJe53uPrnTcwD8UQCMEG2 Obama and Clinton bribe the superdelegates. |
2008/2/11-14 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/President] UID:49116 Activity:nil |
2/11 Awesome. Pennies and Nickels are now worth twice their face value in metals. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/02/07/60minutes/main3801455.shtml |
2008/2/11-14 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Computer/SW/Languages/Perl] UID:49115 Activity:nil |
2/11 Clinton's campaign manager replaced with a perl script. News at 11. |
2008/1/25-2/2 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:49017 Activity:nil |
1/25 Looks like Giuliani is out http://www.pollster.com/blogs \_ Likely, but remember polls are worth absolutely nothing. \_ Giuliani's strategy is to lose in every state and then declare this year is "opposite year" |
2008/1/23-31 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/President/Reagan, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:48991 Activity:low |
1/22 Sweet, Bush's stimulus package is nearly *twice as large* as the one Clinton proposed in 1993, but couldn't get passed. Go Bushonomics! \_ So who are you blasting? Is it a good idea that was unfairly spiked in 1993, so....Bush is bad? \_ Dunno about op, but I find it to be more evidence of how BushCo is lacking in principles, even ones I don't support. Morally bankrupt doesn't do it justice. \_ Wait, wasn't congress a majority D in 1993? What does this have to do with BushCo? Okay, now checking: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/103rd_United_States_Congress The D's had a majority in both houses and the presidency. How does what they failed to pass mean anything wrt Bush? \_ Clinton proposed a stimulus package that would have raised the Deficit; har, har, snicker conservatives, typical Dem. Bush proposes _twice as large_ stim package, yet pretends to be fiscally conservative Rep in the tradition of Reagan. The irony is enough to cure world-wide anemia. \_ Reagan was never fiscally conservative. Reagan == trickle down economics. High deficit spending is not being fiscally conservative. Ron Paul is the only current candidate promoting fiscal conservativism. \_ Bush hasn't pretended to be fiscally conservative for a long time. It's why he's lost a lot of his base. See the thread from 1/18 on that very topic. -emarkp \_ Now you're memorizing threads+date? Dang you're a major motd-snob. \_ more like a major motd-geek than a motd-snob. \_ No, I'm not memorizing it, I just remember mentioning it a few days ago. Checking the history was easy. -emarkp \_ Yes, you know that, I know that, lots of people know that. He still keeps pretending. \_ So the real story is that Clinton proposed an R idea, and a D congress shot it down? \_ The real story is that there are no conspiracies. It's all out in the open. \_ These economic stimulus packages are bogus and don't address the fact that the economy is being hollowed out and the financial system is out of control due to lack of any kind of regulation. Out of control lending and speculation, twin deficits over a trillion a year is setting up the system for collapse, all this shit Bush and the Fed are doing is just delaying the inevitable. \_ The important thing is delaying shit hitting the fan until someone else takes over, then it's their problem. \_ Yup -- the shit will hit the fan around 2010/2012 when peak oil arrives so whatever party wins the election will get one term and then get dumped (see Carter) \_ You're totally nuts if you think Carter got kicked out because of oil prices or economic events his administration wasn't mostly responsible for. Maybe you also heard of this little thing called The Iran Hostage Crisis? Are you old enough to remember the daily count-up on the news reminding us yet another day had gone by while our people were held by a foreign power while Carter stood around with two thumbs up his ass telling us how America should get used to being a third rate power? Sheesh. I could go on but there's no point. \_ I had forgotthen how Reagan solved the Iran hostage crisis in the first 5 minutes of his Presidency ... \_ I'm sure you forgot because it has nothing at all to do with anything I said about Carter. Nice try. \_ PEEK OIL!!!!11!! \_ Yeah, we got to this point for a reason. Cutting the rate more and spending more is just digging the hole deeper. Maybe it will prop up housing again for a while with more cheap credit. \_ Isn't the economy more than twice as large today? \_ Not even close. It's like ~9:13. 1:1.7 in real dollars. (According to US budget tables.) \_ Is Bush's budget stimulus twice as large in real dollars or nominal dollars? In nominal dollars the economy is almost exactly twice as big: http://www.forecasts.org/data/data/GDP.htm \_ For some reason I was comparing against 2000. You're right about nominal dollars vs. 1993. But in real dollars it's still only like 33% bigger. Hooray for inflation. And that also assumes the government CPI shit is accurate. (I'll let the op figure out whatever he was referring to.) |
2008/1/22-31 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:48984 Activity:nil |
1/22 This Clinton sleeping thing seems fine to me. The speech he's listening to here appears 100% content-free. http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=33364 |
2008/1/10-12 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:48926 Activity:nil |
1/10 RIP Sir Edmund Hillary \_ The one Clinton was named after? |
2007/12/4-7 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:48740 Activity:nil |
12/4 Did Hillary troll the media? http://blogs.usatoday.com/onpolitics/2007/12/clinton-aide-sa.html |
2007/12/3-6 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:48734 Activity:high |
12/3 The primaries finally get interesting http://csua.org/u/k58 Any predictions on who will take the R nomination? I have no idea, Except that I think Giuliani is done. \_ I think that if Giuliani falls down it will be Romney and he will get even less of the vote than Dukakis did. \_ Heard on the radio this morning that Romney's counting on a win in Iowa or going home. Is Huckabee really the choice candidate? \_ Well, he's a socialist. He belives that compassion means taking *someone else's* money to give to the needy. \_ Romney would win Utah. \_ Pretty much any R would win Utah. \_ Well, I actually meant he would win Utah and no other state. \_ Well, I actually meant he would win Utah and no other state. \_ Why do you think that? \_ I think Huckabee is looking more and more like the best the R's can do this year. It would make for an interesting race, to say the least. \_ Huckabee is the current darling of the religious right who are obsessed with the bogus concept of stacking the supreme court so they can over turn RvW. If they actually knew anything about him (or you either for that matter), it would be obvious that Huckabee offers the worst of both left and right wing while offering none of the positives of either. If the RR stayed home we'd all be better off. Huckabee isn't going anywhere. --conservative \_ Huckabee is an ass and would fall apart once the non faithful took ANY look at him. \_ Huckabee called for a national smoking ban in public places. http://www.breitbart.tv/html/4958.html \_ Did it occur to him that it's unconstitutional for the Fed to legistlate something like that? \_ Why do you think it would be unconstitutional? \_ 10th amendment? \_ The Constitution is just a piece of paper. \_ Hi troll. \_ "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people." Since pharmaceuticals are not mentioned in the constitution, do you really think the Gov. has no right/obligation to regulate them? \_ What do you think that says? \_ On that logic just about any regulatory body is unconstitutional, but guess what, the FCC, the FDA, etc etc, are all pretty well entrenched. \_ I agree, but I'm wondering why the person who thinks it's unconstitutional thinks it's so in the face of the etc etc you mentioned. \_ Hello, you may wish to see Art. 1, Sec. 8 Cl. 18 (the "necessary and proper clause") and McCulloch, 17 US 316 (1819) re the constitutionality of the FCC, FDA, &c. and McCulloch, 17 US 316 (1819). \_ Income tax is unconstitutional, too. |
2007/12/3-6 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:48733 Activity:moderate |
12/3 Perot was right: http://www.csua.org/u/k50 (SF Gate) \_ about what, dubya being an idiot? \_ Ron Paul > Perot \_ Damning with faint praise? \_ What was bad about Perot? Was Clinton better? \_ <doubletake> Huh?!? \_ It's R code. A vote for perot was a vote for clinton. \_ Perot was a protest vote for those who thought the party was drifting. The contract with america was the response to that protest. Then it all fell to shit. |
2007/11/30-12/6 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:48722 Activity:kinda low |
11/30 http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/11/30/clinton.office/index.html Liberals dressed up as Republicans hold hostages in Clinton 08 Campaign Office to gain sympathy and hatred for Republicans. \_ What makes you think they are liberals? Sounds more like Islamo-Facists to me. \_ Until we hear more, I suspect your average loony. \_ "The suspect was a well-known local man with a history of emotional issues who allegedly told his son to watch the news, a well-placed law enforcement source told ABC News' Pierre Thomas." http://blogs.abcnews.com/rapidreport/2007/11/hostage-situati.html \_ Huh? Is Karl Rove working for the Democrats now? That's his kind of trick. \_ "If you found out that Hillary Clinton was a satan-worshipping lesbian who kidnapped and tortured her own campaign staff, would it make you any less likely to vote for her?" \_ Hell no, she'd still be better than any Republican. \_ Except Ron Paul \_ That reply explains so much seen on the motd. \_ It was a Jew. Probably one of those deranged settler types. \_ I'm still waiting for my share of Global Jewish Power. I sent in the SASE and everything. --Forgotten by ZOG \_ Yes, I WANT ME GOLD. -- ilyas \_ I didn't get my share of gold in the mail either. -Forgotten |
2007/11/28-12/6 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:48707 Activity:nil |
11/28 Zogby responds to (Clinton insider) Mark Penn's criticism of the recent poll showing Hillary trailing Republican frontrunners http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1394 \_ Why does Zogby hate Hillary? |
2007/11/24-29 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:48688 Activity:high |
11/23 John Howard loses not only the national election, but his own seat. Another Bush lapdog goes down. \_ Kevin Rudd: We're pulling out of Iraq, and we're signing the Kyoto Treaty. Smackdown! \_ You people with Bush Derangement Syndrome are funny! Everyone is Bush's lapdog. \- funny-but-not-really was the "coalition of the willing". [c.f. Costa Rica, Palau, Tonga]. if you hate minke whales [the "rats of the sea"], this is actually kinda funny: "Pro-whaling Mali and Mongolia have consistently voted with Japan in the IWC in its campaign to resume whale hunting. [http://tinyurl.com/2ekq52] See also: http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,,2073945,00.html BTW, JHOWARD also took flack for a number of "conservative" ideas in domestic/econ policies, not just "war on terror" issues. --!OP \_ Cf. Aussie immigration policy, Pauline Hansen (better us than her lot, eh?), Fiji, Indonesia, and the rapid deterioration of Aussie cricket and rugby. Good on yer, John! \_ Not as funny as people with Clinton Derangement Syndrome. \_ Sorry, but it's at least twice as funny as CDS because of the self-contradictory nature of BDS. Bush is simultaneously a bumbling fool and a genius criminal mastermind/manipulator? At least CDS is consistent - Clinton let crap happen because he was too busy chasing booty/food? \_ I am pretty consistently of the "bush is a bumbling fool who has fucked up the entire world" kind of guy myself. fool who has messed up the entire world" school of thought, myself \_ You mean he killed Vince Foster and gave nuclear secrets to the Chinese by accident while chasing booty? \_ According to people with CDS, Hilary was behind these. \_ http://www.csua.org/u/k2j (NewsMax, I know...) "How did the Chinese catch up so fast? Easy. We sold them all the technology they needed . or handed it over for free. Neither neglect nor carelessness is to blame. Bill Clinton did it on purpose." \_ A fool in a position of power can still reward his friends. Or commit crimes. Or spend money, or initiate wars. \_ But only a genius master manipulator can get away with it. \_ It is not clear that he got away with it. \_ Bush is the greatest Republican President ever! Better than Reagan! Better than Lincoln! We will build shrines in his honor, put his face on Mt. Rushmore and the Two Dollar Bill! http://www.csua.org/u/ify (Mission Accomplished!) \_ You mean the 2/3 of America that doesn't like Bush, as opposed to you 30% that still think he is swell? Do you really think that 2/3 of America is deranged? \_ Disliking != derangement. See, it's the deranged that say that a second-longest-in-power PM getting ousted is "another Bush lapdog" going down. -op \- Bush Derangement Syndrome? perhaps. i do hope that he lives long enough to be tried for his role in Abu Ghraib, Guantanamo, and the kidnapping, "extraordinary rendition", and torture of people around the world (who sometimes turn out to be innocent). but what i hate are Bush's policies. it doesn't really matter whether he's the evil mastermind behind the policies or a cretinous sock puppet with Dick Cheney's hand shoved up his ass making his mouth move (though i tend to suspect the latter). regardless, i'm delighted when supporters of his policies get voted out of office. \_ You're seriously deluded if you believe he'll ever be tried for so much as a traffic violation much less anything else on your list. Most of your list is post 9/11 but do you know that extraordinary rendition was a Clinton era policy? Yes, Bush continued it but his administration sure as hell didn't come up with the idea. Should Clinton be tried for that? If you don't think so or you have some other rationalization then you suffer from BDS. There is no cure. \_ Heh, have you known psb long? \_ Yes but there's always hope. \- what does this have to do with me? the only thing i wrote in theis thread was the minke whale comment above. i'm not holding my breath but i could see something like what happened to pinochet happening to bush/rumsfeld/cheney ... bush should be around for a while. --psb \_ Bill Clinton should be indicted for the murder of Ed Willey, Vince Foster and Ron Brown. \_ Bill Clinton should be indicted for the murder of Ed Willey, Vince Foster and Ron Brown. \_ Maybe but first the cases should be properly investigated. I know the first 2 weren't. I don't know the RB details. |
2007/10/30-11/2 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:48484 Activity:low |
10/29 I'm watching an interview with Denis Kucinich's wife. RISE UP NERDS. GET THIS GUY ELECTED. jesus christ. \_ She's hot. He's smart. Together, they're unelectable, but they fight crine! Also, his appearance on COLBERT was superb. \_ Kucinich is an opportunistic douche bag, and dirty to the core. Read up on his record when he was in Ohio state politics. -dans \_ I'm curious why you think he was "dirty". I am not from Ohio like you. I have read about how he was unpopular as mayor because he supported a city owned electric company, but years later, after he has been out of office for a long time, it seems like the city is pretty fucking happy they own the electic company. Find me some dirt! \_ dans, are you a Hillary supporter? \_ I'm not entirely decided but I lean more toward Obama than Clinton. -dans \_ I'm not from Ohio, but I have friends who are. ObGoogle to find your dirt. It's not that well hidden. -dans \_ Name the (D) front runner who isn't dirty. \_ s/(D)/(D) or (R)/ \_ Only Democrats are dirty. Republicans all believe in God, Country and The Boy Scouts. \_ And foot-tapping in public restrooms. \_ The topic was Dems, so I said Dems. Name any front runner who isn't dirty. I don't care which party. Still waiting.... \_ Ok, what's dirty about Obama and Romney? Obama is a racist, but he's pretty upfront about it. \_ Oh please. \_ Oh please what? Buy me an ice cream cone? \_ Oh please stop spouting some of the most pathetic smears about Obama without at least giving some "proof" we can laugh at. \_ Basically I read his book. I'm busy this week, I'll start a new topic sometime soon. Have you read his book? \_ So I guess you never stopped diddling little boys. \_ IMO, all national level politicians have some dirt, it's just that some are dirtier than other. Don't be disingenuous, you could have just as easily said, Name a presidential front runner who isn't dirty. Dirt is a range, not a binary switch. -dans \_ GO RON PAUL - principled computer programmer who thinks they are wise \_ Hillary Rodham Clinton \_ You and the Romney guy are both hilarious. I'm voting for Ron Paul, because you gotta love an OB/GYN in the White House (Clinton doesn't count). \_ Me too. What do you think of Duncan Hunter? \_ I asked you what's dirty about them, apparently you have no response. \_ CliTton ain't no OB/GYN. He's an otolaryngologist. \_ link? |
2007/10/18-19 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:48365 Activity:nil |
10/18 It's not just the Religious Right: http://csua.org/u/jr9 (WashPo) \_ Why do you hate America? |
2007/10/15-18 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:48326 Activity:low |
10/15 The House pushing a resolution about the Armenian Genocide, The president asks the Speaker of the House to pull the legislation from the floor. Year: 2000 Speaker: Hastert President: Clinton http://csua.org/u/jqi (Washington Post) \_ In 2000 we didn't need Turkey to short path supplies to our soldiers. Was that your point? \_ Setting up for the old Dolchstosslegende so soon? I guess you guys have finally seen that your crazy crusade is going to fail. \_ The washington post, right wing super conservative news organ, disagrees with you. If you think pissing off your closest allies during war is good diplomacy.... |
2007/10/12-19 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:48302 Activity:high |
10/12 Awesome. http://csua.org/u/jq0 (ebay auction of... oh, who cares, it's partisan crap disguised as a short url. Op, did you happen to see your dignity on auction while you were there?) \_ Actually it's about accuracy, and Reid's inability to find it with both hands. \_ Actually, it is about Rush Limbaugh's attempt to rewrite history, something he does all the time. Where are his transcripts of him calling Chelsea Clinton the "White House Dog?" http://mediamatters.org/items/200709270010 See where he calls them "phony soldiers." \_ Yeah, http://mm.org has been arguing against the truth for quite a while. Limbaugh clearly was talking about actual phony soldiers. See "Operation Stolen Valor". Limbaugh went on to talk about McBride and others like him. talk about Macbeth and others like him. \_ I heard it live, in context. He was clearly not turning his back on 20+ years of pro-military rhetoric. Reid and http://mm.org got it wrong. The only way they could get it so wrong was by intentionally ignoring the facts. Rush is an amusing entertainer and not worthy of this sort of waste of time on the Senate floor nor a ridiculous witch hunt. Especially since he's said plenty of other things worth attacking that he's actually said. \_ Another "phony soldier" no doubt: http://www.csua.org/u/jq2 Rush only calls you a phony if you don't support Bush's war. \_ If you ever actually listened to Rush you'd know he's said many times that he has no problem with real soldiers being critical of the war. Just the fakes and frauds like the guy he was talking about that day who flunked out of basic but falsely claimed to be a US Army ranger who committed and witnessed numerous atrocities. You're tossing a red herring. Reid is a liar. Media Matters (a Hillary created front org) are liars. The other 40 Senators who signed his stupid letter are liars. If you want to bash Bush or the war, go ahead, but that has nothing to do with Reid, Hillary, and the rest flat out lying about what Rush said and wasting Senate time attacking a US citizen's first amendment rights. Have a nice day. \_ First off, what proof do you have that the first caller was a phony soldier, which is what Rush clearly called him? Secondly, Media Matters is hardly a Hillary created front org, it was founded by David Brock, someone I personally know from my time at Wired Magazine and it is funded by Soros. As usual, you are either confused or spreading misinformation. Soros. As usual, you are spreading misinformation. \_ The first caller was a phony soldier? What are you talking about? I don't think you know. Secondly, Brock is a Hillary minion. Your knowing him personally has nothing to do with anything. Of coruse Hillary didn't fund it herself. No one said she did. Sheesh. Either way, Reid and MM are still liars. All this other stuff is nonsense. \_ Brock is hardly a Hillary minion, unless you really believe that everyone to the left of Mitt Romney is part of a vast Hillary conspiracy. If anything, he is a Soros minion, since Soros writes his paycheck. And Soros is quite a long way from Hillary, believe me. \_ You failed to answer about the first part about "first caller was a phony soldier". You don't know anything about this story. You're just a troll. The rest of your post is nonsense. \_ In a simple reading of what Rush said, it is quite clear that he referred to the first caller as a phony soldier, yes. Your English language skills are deficient. You also don't know what the word "troll" means. Hint, it does not mean "anyone who disagrees with me." \_ sorry, I was listening to the show, not a cut up transcript. He was clearly not referring to the caller. The rest of your ad hominem is not worth replying to since it is based on your complete lack of knowledge of the situation. \_ Calling someone a troll is fine, but saying "you don't know what a troll is" is ad hominem? You don't know what ad hominem means either. \_ To both of you: Please show evidence that Soros or Hillary in any way financially supports MM. "Drudge says so" is not evidence. \_ Sorry, I mistakenly thought this was common knowledge. It is pretty funny to watch the Right foam at the mouth over MM. They have been doing the same stuff for years, but they get seriously paranoid and nutty when anyone gives them a dose of their own medicine. Where does MM get its funding? \_ "common knowledge" to who? Ditto- heads? Answer your own question then come back and show us your results. \_ I've donated to them. \_ I've wasted money on stuff before, too. \_ Well, they seem to get you all hot and bothered, so it wasn't a total waste, now was it? \_ *laugh* the first troll who is paying others to do it for them. You've taken the Art Of Troll to a whole new level. Keep sending money. Wow, you're dumb. \_ Do you really think that this is the *first* troll to ever do that? What do you think of Horowitz and FrontPage Mag? \_ I don't donate to Horowitz or FPM or MM or any other troll orgs. Why would you? \_ You are begging the question. Is MM the *first*? \_ Of course it isn't but that is a side show. Who cares which was first? I don't and have never donated to any of them. Why would anyone donate to orgs who by their very nature are designed to lie and created with that purpose in mind? Maybe that's your thing but I'll send my charity to places that try to do good in the world. \_ Surprisingly enough, not everyone agrees with what your definition of "do good in the world" means. \_ I'm sad anyone takes Rush seriously, ever, or pays any attention to him. \_ Talk to Reid about that, wasting time in the Senate on an entertainer. \_ ugh debating anything Rush spews is stupid. http://MM.org is a Soros creation, not hillary. \_ From Rush to Drudge... Can't you people factcheck anything? The zombie lies will never die... \_ Hillary herself said she helped create http://MM.org. Here is the article, with a download of the audio of her saying it. http://csua.org/u/jqa \_ First off, this is not really what she said there, if you pay attention carefully to the wording. She said she supports it, which can mean practically anything. Secondly, do you honesly believe every lie that a politician tells you? Did you believe Dubya when he told you that Saddam had WMD and a Nuclear program? Did you believe Gore when he told you that he invented the Internet? The actual founder of MM is famous for having written various anti-Clinton pieces, including the Troopergate story (which was later exposed as a lie, which was part of what led to Brock's "conversion"). \_ So we have to carefully parse her words to figure out wtf she's talking about? Does she know what the meaning of "is" is or was the previously resolved in court? Sheesh. \_ Politicians say bland, impenetrable things all the time, deliberately using the ambiguity inherent in language to tell the greatest number of listeners what they think they want to hear, without actually saying anything. Hillary is just better at it than most. \_ I suppose it depends on what the meaning of "it" is. I prefer leaders, of which we have a few, over your politicians. Saying she is a politician and there- fore it is ok for her to dissemble is not ok. You might as well vote for Bush. \_ I think it is obvious that I am no big fan of Hillary either, but I don't see any of these "leaders" running for President, from either party. You might be able to convince me otherwise with regards to McCain. Anyone else even remotely close? \_ Among the 'top candidates' as chosen by the media, no, not really. There are others running we barely hear from. Maybe there. \_ Who? \_ Ron Paul, Huckabee, Dodd, and Gravel come to mind. Hillary is an evil clown, Obama is a clown, Rudy is evil, Edwards is a fraudster, Romney will say anything. I miss anyone at the top? \_ Huckabee talks out both sides of his mouth with regards to taxes, Dodd is bought at paid for by Wall Street, but bought and paid for by Wall Street, but perhaps the other two are all right. I don't know much about them except what I saw on the debate. They are both obviously willing to take upopular stances openly, so you have to respect that. \_ ObBitchSlap: Gore never said he invented the Internet. \_ Created vs invented \_ "The Internet would not be where it is in the United States without the strong support given to it and related research areas by the Vice President in his current role and in his earlier role as Senator." -Vincent Cerf \_ Because it behooves him to embarass the VP by saying anything else? \_ Because it's true. \_ So you say. What exactly did Gore do without which we wouldn't have google today? \_ High Performance Computing and Communication Act of 1991 which led to the National Information Infrastructure. Learn the history of your field, young Computer Scientist. \_ 'If it had been left to private industry, it wouldn't have happened,' Andreessen says of Gore's bill, 'at least, not until years later.'. So, without Gore, we would be just like now but circa 2002? With google, yahoo, web mail, browsers, etc, but no web 2.0 ajax outside of MS web outlook? How is that different? You know the net existed then right? So he did something that eventually funded the browser a year later? It sounds like the browser was already on it's way. I'm not buying it, sorry. \_ this is one of the dumbest trolls I've ever seen. -tom \_ why do you still post here? \_ Heh, w/o CCA and NII, we'd be just like ten years ago, but with BBSs. OTOH, we'd probably have kickass analog modems. \_ Hint: there was an internet before 1991. \_ Yes, and Usenet, and other such, and you had to have access through a school or large company to get to it. W/o public investment in expanding access, you'd still have to have an OCF account to read your email. \_ And as Andreesen said, we'd be a few years behind. Call it five. That puts us at 2002 which isn't a whole lot different than today. Or maybe you're smarter than he is. We all know that without government nothing ever gets invented. Government is the source of all creativity and invention. *boggle!* \_ you're an idiot. \_ Andreesen said "years later": that could mean decades. Also, if not for gov. invest. there'd've been no .com bubble and no commesurate boost in private spending in infrastructure. Prog. w/o profit is slooow. \_ the dotcom bubble was a good thing? ok whatever. \_ It led to near- ubiquity of the Internet. I'd say that's more good than bad. \_ I'd say it didn't. I'd say more computers in more homes did that. \_ The proto-Internet was ARPAnet, run by the DOD, and the DOD decided it was no longer going to provide support for civilian applications. If the Internet did not receive funding at that point in time, maybe telecoms would have done something, but it would have been done based on the telecom model; fee for service, screw net neutrality. The government is the *only* entity which could have created the Internet as the public resource we know today. -tom \_ fee for service got you... here it comes.... SERVICE! What a shocker! imagine having a business model where you have to pay to get stuff! Dreadful! \_ What are you, a Free Market troll, a ditto- head troll, or a bridge-troll? \_ Anyone who disagrees with you must be a troll. You are the source of all truth. \_ Man, took you long enough. \_ Do you think the Internet would be better if it worked more like cell phone networks? -tom \_ For some definitions of 'better', yes. If I could pay $5/m to not get spam I would save money, for ex. The telcos would sell you "spam _/ blocking service" and then sell the spammers "spam delivery guarantee service" to get around the spam blocking. You'd have to buy a specific computer to connect to AT+T's network and it wouldn't work if you wanted to switch to Sprint, and you'd have a two year contract with a penalty clause. You'd also have a surcharge to send mail to an off-network customer, or it just wouldn't work at all. The "cheap" connectivity plan would involve huge fees for any time you actually used the service, and then they'd advertise "Tired of high fees? Buy our unlimited plan for twice as much money!" Net neutrality and ubiquitous deployment is a huge public benefit, and it could only have happend through government action, and Gore deserves a lot of credit for initiating that action. -tom \_ You mean like how I can use my cell phone right now to call anyone and it doesn't cost me anything during nights and weekends and during the day the rate is dirt cheap, I don't get spam calls, I have a choice of hundreds of phones, and all this was brought to me by pure raw capitalist competition for my hard earned dollar. Yeah, the phone system sure sucks. If it was run by the government I wouldn't have a cell phone, unless I was a Senator or someone else 'important' who gets a special health plan much different than what the proles get. No thanks. I'll pass on the socialist utopia phone system monopoly. I'm old enough to remember Ma Bell being the only game in town. A government monopoly on the phones would be no better. Competition rules. \_ Uhh, you do realize that without the government heavily regulating large chunks of the phone industry your wonderful cell phone network would be a disaster, don't you? \_ The actual quote was "During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet." which Declan (another Wired Alum) twisted into invented. \_ Hence "Created vs invented" as I said above. \_ Brock is hardly a Hillary minion, unless |
2007/10/7 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:48253 Activity:nil 66%like:48241 |
10/4 Richardson says "Pull Out Now" http://www.csua.org/u/jnf \_ Sorry baby, I just couldn't stop. \_ Why? It feels better to stay inside. \_ Cuz I need to take a dump. |
2007/10/4-6 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:48241 Activity:nil 66%like:48253 |
10/4 Richardson says "Pull Out Now" http://www.csua.org/u/jnf \_ Sorry baby, I just couldn't stop. \_ Why? It feels better to stay inside. \_ Cuz I need to take a dump. |
2007/10/3-5 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/Immigration] UID:48233 Activity:nil |
10/3 Secessionists meeting in Tennessee http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071003/ap_on_re_us/secessionist_movement_1 |
2007/10/3-5 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/Immigration, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:48232 Activity:high |
10/3 Jimmy Carter faces down Darfur officials http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071003/ap_on_re_af/darfur_9 He bravely ran away, away! \_ Would you kindly fuck off, you cowardly piece of shit? The man is 83 years old, and he got in a shouting match with armed men. His companions and the Secret Service convinced him to get in the car rather than continue the confrontation. If you're going to post something, have the nards and decency to read it first. \_ I did read it. He didn't "face them down" they faced him down. Nothing really wrong with that, I'd leave too, but the headline is wrong. \_ Seconded. Running away would be just scrapping the whole deal and not trying again. In the real world you can't go on a humanitarian mission and shout your way past angry men with big guns. That doesn't do any good for anyone. But feel free to live in your fantasy world where everything gets solved by swinging your big dick around and all the women have gravity defying 36DD breasts. \_ In my fantasy world, all the women have gravity-defying 32DD breasts instead. -- !PP \_ I had the same reaction as the person above, "Hey, Carter may not be the POS I thought he was.. read.. read.. oh well". \_ He displayed infinitely more personal courage than Bush did after 9/11, when the Commander-In-Chief turned tail and disappeared into a hole. \_ If the President, any President, of any party, showed up at ground zero just to pose for the cameras, he deserves to die. That is the most assinine and stupid gripe you could possibly have. It is the one thing that he clearly did right that day. \_ Did I say he should have gone to ground zero? No, I did not. He could have provided some leadership though, instead of being a coward. |
2007/9/24-27 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:48167 Activity:nil |
9/24 Hillary's cackle http://youtube.com/watch?v=x7ZrYa8wgKo |
2007/9/19 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Health/Women] UID:48111 Activity:nil 56%like:48104 |
9/18 Hillary Clinton is an idiot and if she insists on pushing her s Having a baby is not the only thing that can make women unhappy with their breas\ ts. The still-taboo subject of female chest hair is something that make-up artis\ t Nicola has had to learn to live with, but many women are too ashamed to admit\ they suffer from the condition. s problem is so bad that it has ruined past rela\ tionships Nicolatupid healthcare ideas as a major part of her platform then I will certainly not vote for her. Requiring all Americans to present proof of health insurance is beyond ridiculous and, to me, very un-American. \_ Well, it's also outisde the power of the Feds to do so. \_ So is a bunch of other things they do every day. \_ I am pretty sure that every Democratic presidential candidate has a healthcare reform platform at least as extensive as Hillary's. So you are voting Republican. Tell us something we didn't already know... \_ Biden doesn't. I think "healthcare reform" != "universal healthcare". |
2007/9/18-22 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:48104 Activity:nil 56%like:48111 |
9/18 Hillary Clinton is an idiot and if she insists on pushing her stupid healthcare ideas as a major part of her platform then I will certainly not vote for her. Requiring all Americans to present proof of health insurance is beyond ridiculous and, to me, very un-American. \_ Well, it's also outisde the power of the Feds to do so. \_ So is a bunch of other things they do every day. \_ I am pretty sure that every Democratic presidential candidate has a healthcare reform platform at least as extensive as Hillary's. So you are voting Republican. Tell us something we didn't already know... \_ Biden doesn't. I think "healthcare reform" != "universal healthcare". |
2007/9/14 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:48060 Activity:nil |
9/14 Does America Want a Clinton Monarchy? By Steven Stark http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2007/09/will_voters_embrace_a_clinton.html |
2007/9/7 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:47946 Activity:nil |
9/7 Norman Hsu, big Hillary fundraiser, now under indictmen, "falls" on trainride to Arkansas: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1892624/posts |
2007/9/7-10 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:47938 Activity:nil |
9/7 Dems support the troops! (pre-emptively dismiss the Petraeus report) http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/09/05/346444.aspx http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/2007/09/democrats_pre-emptively_dismiss_bush_report \_ http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1883904/posts "... the left is doing its usual adept job of spewing treasonous rhetoric over things that only exist in their Bush-hating conspiracy-riddled minds." |
2007/9/6 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:47908 Activity:kinda low |
9/6 Who would vote for Fred "old, grumpy, get off my lawn white guy who doesn't seem that different from the other 9 old grumpy white guys hoping for the repub nomination" Thompson? I don't get it. \_ Ching ching! \_ HILLARY CLINTON WILL NOT BE THE NEXT PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES!@!!1! |
2007/8/28 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/President/Reagan] UID:47770 Activity:high |
8/27 Surprising facts: ppl with children are no happier than those who don't, retirees no happier than workers, pet owners no happier than those without pets, etc etc. Also, R happier than D, the young are less happy than the middle-aged and old, suburbanites are happier than city folks. http://pewresearch.org/pubs/301/are-we-happy-yet \_ Why is any of this surprising? Every choice has plusses and minuses. \_ You do end up happier if you're married, though, on average. How about that, BDG? |
2007/8/24-27 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:47743 Activity:nil |
8/23 Oh, hey, it WAS Clinton's fault. Oops. http://blogs.dailymail.com/donsurber/2007/08/23/clinton-lied-people-died |
2007/8/1-3 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Foreign/Asia/India] UID:47497 Activity:low |
8/1 http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070801/ap_on_el_pr/obama_terrorism_7 Okay, I'm glad Obama is making actual suggestions rather than the more common political tactic of simply criticizing others. However, his plan of taking care of business in Pakistan could be a problem if that nuke-armed country toppled into the hands of Muslim extremists. I hope he addresses that potentiality. \_ Depends. If the extremists are wiped out then there is no problem with Pakistan falling into their hands, eh? I think that's what he's getting at. And yes, I'm also glad to see someone finally saying what *they would do* instead of just attacking others. \_ Obama is even with Hillary C. in NH. \_ Please do not let that woman win the primary. There's no reason to have family members of recent presidents also become president. Out of principle we should not let it happen. \_ You mean like Teddy Roosevelt ---> FDR and George H. W. Bush --> George W. Bush? \_ Yes, like that. \_ Or John Adams -> John Quincy Adams \_ Given Pakistan's Intel org's backing of the Taliban pre-9/11, our current policy of coddling Musharraf is asinine and naive. Good on Obama for identifying the problem. Looking forward to voting for him in 2008. |
2007/7/31 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:47476 Activity:nil |
7/31 What size is Chelsea Clinton's rack? |
2007/7/24-26 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:47399 Activity:nil |
7/24 Clinton: 35%. Obama: 25%. Gore: 15%. Is Gore the new Nader? Damnit. http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/money/gop.html \_ Gore isn't on that page, or the dem one either... \_ It's hard to get good numbers when you aren't even running. \_ Huh? These are the primary elections you are talking about right? What are you afraid of, that Gore will get enough votes that Clinton wins the nomination? \_ Sheesh, it's a poll. When people actually *vote* they are not going to write in Gore in large numbers. Just a few kooks. |
2007/7/19-21 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:47347 Activity:kinda low |
7/19 H. Clinton slammed by The Pentagon for talking about withdrawl: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1868489/posts \_ ^The Pentagon^Dick's lackey \_ Because the guy who said it can't be a partisan and be right at the same time. Everyone who has a different opinion is part of the VRWC and couldn't possibly be giving an honest assessment based on history and reality. \_ Dog bites man, no story. Man bites dog, story. Partisan hack employed by administration that's taken loyalty to a whole new cult level bagging on front-running opposition candidate for dissing Pres.'s plans, no story. \_ You can be partisan and still be telling the truth. |
2007/7/18-19 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq, Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:47326 Activity:high |
7/17 we haven't argued about the latest useless congressional gesture to pull america out of Iraq and deny the simple fact we're gonna be there for the next 60 years like Korea/West Bank/ Japan, is everyone on vacation? \_ It's 7/18 now btw \_ We're in the West Bank? \_ How about Vietnam. Iraq is more like Vietnam, at least so far... \_ And our troops are still there! Oh, wait.... \_ How long were US troops in Vietnam? \_ Zero days after we decided to pull out. \_ just pointing out israel is still in the west bank. \_ And despite your ZOG fantasies, US != Israel. \_ sorry. didnt explain. when Israel invaded west bank they said they'd only stay a short time. They're still there, much to everyone involved's pain. \_ Ye-es, but WE are not THEM. \_ I agree, but I'm using an example from history. \_ Why *that* example, then? How about how the Gaulic tribes are *still* in France 1500 years later! The bastards! Save France for the French! Kill the Gaulic invaders! \_ you probably mean "gallic" or "gaulish" \_ garlic \_ Why do you hate the French? We must save France! \_ All we are asking for is an up or down vote. \_ Why is it "useless"? Let me guess, you are a war supporter... \_ Am not war supporter. I just think we're going to be in Iraq F O R E V E R. \_ I think President Hillary Rodham Clinton will have us out in less than six months after she takes office. We shall see. \_ You won't see. She's not getting elected. \_ And if she does get elected she won't be able to get the US out in 6 months. \_ That's true, too. She isn't exactly pushing hard on the "get the troops out now" agenda. \_ Not according to all the right wing newspapers. I think she is just tacking to the center and will get bowled over by events, after she wins. http://www.nysun.com/article/55102 \_ "... after she wins". You're trolling or drunk. I don't care what left/right wing newspapers say she says. I read what she says. \_ Really? Who is going to win in her stead? "None of the above?" \_ My dog. Anyone with a heart beat, age 35+. Charles Manson. Rowdy Roddy Piper. Anyone. \_ Are you the same guy who predicted that we would find WMD in Iraq? Just wondering, because I am predicting that Hillary will not get beaten by a Republican. BTW, I predicted that we would *not* find WMD in Iraq, so my record is pretty good. curious how good your track record is. \_ No. But given the lack of serious effort put into controlling the country after the attack started and all the trucks rolling in various directions before I wouldn't be at all surprised if we hear in 30 years they were there and the Bush admin decided it was less stupid to have invaded and not found them than invaded and let them slip away. Now then, if it was Roddy Piper vs. my dog, it'd be a really interesting race. Piper still has a lot of wrestling fans, but my dog can speak English better so he's going to win all 3 debates. \_ The US is not ready for a female President, especially a polarizing one like Clinton. The Dems should push hard to make sure she does not get the nomination, because if she does (or if Obama does) then I predict another Republican win. I have always voted Democrat for President (even though I am a 'decline to state') but I would not vote for Hilary Clinton. I would vote for Bill, though. \_ Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've constructed. |
2007/7/6-10 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/President/Reagan] UID:47205 Activity:low |
7/6 Forget about the first female future president or the first minority future president. Here's the first white male future president in 110 years. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070627/ap_on_re_us/mr_pta \_ 'Susan Bailey of Wellesley Centers for Women at Wellesley College said the election of a man to the PTA's top post is "exactly the kind of thing we would hope would happen more often."' Wouldn't it be great if the average American voter could say the same thing about a female or minority POTUS? \_ Forget the 'First' anything. The first minority was already elected when Kennedy got in, btw. I don't give a fig about 'First XYZ' based on color or gender. I want honest, competent people in office who give a shit, not power mad selfish people who just might also happen to be a 'First' or not and I don't care what their 'party' is. Currently not seeing anyone running who fits the description though, sadly. That would be my 'First': honest, competent, not there for their ego or the personal power, looking out for Americans first, not the rest of the world before the people who elected them. \_ But ask the average joe whether he thinks Kennedy is a minority. Look at the Irish community in SF. Their need as a minority group has been largely ignored. \_ Ask anyone at the time if Kennedy was a minority. It was a *huge* big deal at the time and everyone said there was no way a Catholic could get elected and the country just wasn't ready for a Catholic POTUS. I'm not sure what your point is about SF Irish. \_ Like you said, "at the time". The average joe nowadays knows more about Paris Hilton's sex life than about US history. \_ It doesn't matter if it was 'at the time' and no longer true. The fact that Kennedy was the 'First' Catholic puts to rest all further claims of 'a Catholic can never be elected POTUS' because obviously that is not true *after* Kennedy was elected. This isn't a history quiz and has nothing to do with what the average joe knows about Kennedy. I don't understand why you bring that up. I still want an honest, competent person in office of any race/gender/whatever/bullshit and I'm not getting it. Being a female, a minority, a Catholic, a white, a black, a purple, or anything else does not make for a better -or- worse POTUS. The content of their character is what matters, not the color of their skin. \_ Romney. Extremely competent, detail oriented, and honest. http://economist.com/world/na/displaystory.cfm?story_id=9441455 |
2007/7/6-10 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:47186 Activity:nil |
7/6 Damn this Bush economy! http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2007/07/06/ap3889125.html \_ Another piddling job growth report that beat expectations... Great. Let me know when wages grow along with productivity, and when the savings rate is positive again. Wake me when job growth meets population growth... Go go bushonomics \_ Tax Cuts and the Not So Great Economy (Economist's View) http://www.csua.org/u/j3f \_ This has exactly crap to do with the article. And this putz points to negative job growth and decreasing GDP after 2001 and blames the tax cuts?! No mention of, say, other events in 2001? -emarkp to the \_ Jared Bernstein, senior economist at the Economic Policy Institute, a Washington think tank, noted the participation rate has fallen especially sharply for young people, blacks and Hispanics, groups who are especially sensitive to the economys ups and downs. If those missing workers were reported as unemployed, the jobless rate would be 5% instead of 4.5%, he said in a report. \_ Sure. A Left think tanker says "which do you believe, me or the numbers?" \_ Damn these tax and spend Democrats in charge of Congress and their nearly instanteous good effect on the economy! |
2007/6/30-7/5 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:47135 Activity:nil |
6/30 Democrats, not very popular: http://www.csua.org/u/j22 \- anybody who compares the approval ratings between the president and congress is either stupid or disingenuous. to say "congress's rating have slid more in the last 6mos while the president's rating have gone up" might be meaningful, but the only virtue of comments like this "President Bush is doing terribly -- an average of 30 percent job approval in six recent polls. Congress is doing worse -- 25 percent on the average in five polls." is to signal you can add this dood to your KILL file. that article is the journalistic equivalent of a college paper with the thesis "the iliad is a poem by homer about the trojan war, which was difficult." \- see also: http://delong.typepad.com/sdj/2007/06/broderism-watch.html \_ The only poll that matters happens in November every two years. |
2007/6/21-24 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:47032 Activity:high |
6/21 Bush at 26% in Newsweek poll http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19354100/site/newsweek \_ That's not too bad. Compare that to Nixon's: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/11/02/opinion/polls/main1005327.shtml http://preview.tinyurl.com/eytw5 (cbsnews.com) Keep in mind this is from CBS, liberal Jewish media. \_ Thanks for invalidating anything else you have to say. \_ I don't think he cares. Why should he? \_ maybe because he is supposed to be a representative of the people. \_ He is. The people are idiots and so is he. I don't see why people's opinions changed. What is different now? A lot of us disapproved of him from the beginning. And, you know, didn't vote for him. Now all these Johnny come latelys want to be cool like us. But it's too late. We moved on to disapproving of the mainstream primary frontrunners. \_ Pft! I've already dismissed them all and moved on to disapproving of the second and third tier candidates as well as several who aren't even rumored to be interested in running. -Johnnt C. L. \_ He still has things he is trying to get accomplished and it is hard to get Congress to listen to him when he is so unpopular. Most politicians care about something called their "legacy" as well, and every indication is that Bush cares, too. So sorry, he probably cares. Maybe his supporters (like you?) do not. \_ His current goal appears to be to veto everything and keep the investigations off his back until he can get out of town. \_ IANARepublican, but think about it: ~43% of Americans voted in the last Presidential election, and W got about 50% of the vote, so, hey, 26% is pretty good for him. \_ You might want to check the assumptions in your math there sonny. \_ 50% of 43% =~21.5% < 26%. I'd say my math assumptions, faulty as they are, are probably more accurate than those of the POTUS. \_ You're making the assumption that the set of W supporters is a subset of the 2004 presidential voters. You'll have to justify that assumption somehow. \_ he's also making the assumption that 100% of the country responded to this poll. -tom \_ You're both right, but you're missing my (feeble) point, which is that the POTUS thinks like this. \_ Maybe he was when he was elected, but now that he *IS* elected and that due to term limites, he can't be re-elected, why should he care any more? Lame duck presidency FTL. \_ I loved the comedy central clip where GWB 2000 'debated' GWB 'current', especially the total reverse on intervening in other nations and 'nation building'. \_ Mission Accomlished! http://www.csua.org/u/izp \_ Congress at 14% (below HMOs at 15%) http://www.galluppoll.com/content/?ci=27946 \_ For "confidence", not "approval". \_ For "confidence", not "approval". And from a different poll. \_ OP didn't say "approval". \_ The article did. Sure, blame your reading comprehension issues on the OP \_ I was making a point. I read the article. \_ How is saying "apples are not oranges" a point? \_ Isn't low confidence worse than low approval? I might not approve of the job someone is doing, but I might still have confidence that they will improve. Low confidence seems to imply to me that not only does one disapprove of the job someone is doing but also that they've lost any hope that they will improve. \_ Read a few polls and see how the two numbers tend to relate. Motd will not do your homework for you. \_ I'll take that as a yes then. So, the American people feel more negativity towards Congress than the President \_ Take that as a yes. Continue in obstinate ignorance. \_ This only validates my assumption further. If it really is a false assumption, you wouldn't have been this much of an ass about it. \_ Congress is always lower. You can hate the bastards but not hate YOUR bastard. The president, however, is all or nothing. \_ How does that compare to Carter? \_ The cbsnews link in the first reply will tell you. Other than that, learn to use google. \_ No, it does not. Other than that, have you heard of the Socratic technique? \_ Oop. It wasn't in that article. It was in another blog post. Carter's lowest was 28% in '79. |
2007/6/19-21 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:47006 Activity:kinda low |
6/19 Hillary Clinton's campaign theme song is a Celine Dion tune. Now I can't vote for her. \_ Obama's is "Think" by Aretha Franklin. which is about a man cheating on a woman. Do you think Obama is trying to enrage the Hillary? http://www.lyrics007.com/Aretha%20Franklin%20Lyrics/Think%20Lyrics.html http://preview.tinyurl.com/yogl75 (lyrics007.com) \_ "You And I" \_ Blame Canada \_ Why not? \_ Lieberman's is LETS HAVE A WAR \_ The first candidate that chooses "TV Party" as their theme song gets my vote. \_ This is like Michael Moore saying he'd support the first candidate to dance in a moshpit: you're going to end up endorsing Alan Keyes. http://csua.org/u/iz7 (Michael Moore) \_ Bomb bomb bomb bomb Iran -- McCain |
2007/6/17-19 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:46992 Activity:high |
6/13 Spielberg endorses Hillary. \_ How is this any suprise? This Clintons, like Obama and Gore are owned by Jews and products of finance and media Jews. are owned by Jews and products of finance and media Jews. -jblack \_ [racist troll deleted] \_ [racist troll deleted, twice] \_ how is it racist to point out that the Democratic party is wholly controlled by individuals who own the media and sectors of finance, and who constitute a tiny fraction of a tenth of a percent of the population? I am telling you who your master's are, even though you are too blind to see it. \_ Why would *anyone* outside Hillary's campaign care? Anyone who votes based on Spielberg's "endorsement" is too stupid to live. |
2007/6/15-19 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:46976 Activity:low |
6/15 Hilary has *no* *chance* in 2008, I read it in the motd: http://www.csua.org/u/ixn (WSJ) \_ At a glance, which one of the candidates _does_ have a chance? \_ Cthulhu 2008. Why vote for a lesser evil? \_ Clinton with Obama VP would be an interesting combo I think. Still, the only thing that matters is when you get down to election day. That's pretty far off yet and I think a lot of states may not really vote Democrat when we get down to it, or vote for a woman CIC etc etc. \_ I do not think Hilary can win. I think it's because she's a woman and a polarizing one at that. I never vote Republican, but I don't think I'd vote for her. I'd probably vote for a 3rd party candidate. \_ A lot has to do with who her opposition is at the time. If the GOP pushes forward a Spiro Agnew, she might not need much more than the votes of the faithful to win. If the GOP pushes forward a Spiro Agnew, she might not need much more than the votes of the faithful to win. \_ Spiro Agnew -> grow a penis \_ Someone's going to win, and none of the candidates are strong. Sort of like a 'lesser evil' vote, the winner will be the least weak. \_ So far, the GOP has given us adulterers, flip-floppers, and cranky old men. Oh, and Ron Paul. Which of these is lesser evil you speak of? |
2007/6/15-19 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:46971 Activity:nil 92%like:46962 |
6/15 Good old Matt Drudge, font of accuracy! http://urltea.com/s2x (electioncentral.tpmcafe.com) |
2007/6/15-16 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:46967 Activity:nil |
6/15 Google hits: Barack Obama: 1.85M Barack Hussein Obama: 116k Hillary Clinton: 4.4M Hillary Rodham Clinton: 1.4M For some reason, Hillary's middle name is used a lot more than other people's. About 5 times more than Barack's middle name. It's not like anyone needs the extra differentiation from the other Hillary Clintons out there. What's up with that? John Sidney McCain: 9k, John McCain: 1.9M \_ It's her maiden name, not her middle name. Same with Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Sandra Day O'Connor, etc. \_ Ah. |
2007/6/15-19 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:46965 Activity:nil |
6/15 kchang why doesn't csua motd site have RSS feed? \_ Someone else already wrote one. Talk to Misha(sp?). Besides rss feed is good when you have sequential timestamped messages whereas motd is mostly threaded, making it awkward to represent on rss. If you have alternative ideas, shoot. In the mean time I'm content using http://csua.com/24/?incr=1&local=0 |
2007/6/15 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:46962 Activity:nil 92%like:46971 |
6/15 Good old Matt Drudge, font of accuracy! http://electioncentral.tpmcafe.com/blog/electioncentral/2007/jun/15/drudge_kept_pushing_false_attack_on_bill_clinton_12_hours_after_it_had_been_debunked |
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