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| 2002/9/15 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:25894 Activity:nil |
9/14 Bush to U.N.: 'Go Bear!'
\_ More like "back up your own resolutions or become completely
meaningless and irrelevent". Laws without enforcement are worse
than no laws. Laws must be consistently backed by force and
punishment. Doing otherwise only encourages law breaking. Without
a UN to worry about Hussein would have been assassinated or blown
up years ago.
\_ I am *not* a Bush supporter, and generally disagree with just
about everything he has ever said. In spite of that, I think
he made a very good case to the UN. one wonders why he didn't
start out by making this case to the UN instead of prefacing
it by months of counter-productive saber-rattling.
\_ Because if he just walked in and begged them to do something
up front he would've been laughed at. By saber rattling along
the way he made it clear he was dead serious and they better
*do* something or we'd do it for them *and* ignore them in the
future given their previous do-nothing record. Also, there's
this funny idea about how the US is not subject to the 3rd
world pit that is the UN. He made a good case but didn't tell
them we'd abide by their decision if it their plan was to
ignore it and hope it'd go away while they munched sand and
dug their sandy pits a little deeper. |
| 2002/9/14-15 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:25890 Activity:moderate |
9/14 Bush to U.N.: 'Show Some Boner'
\_ More like "back up your own resolutions or become completely
meaningless and irrelevent". Laws without enforcement are worse
than no laws. Laws must be consistently backed by force and
punishment. Doing otherwise only encourages law breaking. Without
a UN to worry about Hussein would have been assassinated or blown
up years ago.
\_ I am *not* a Bush supporter, and generally disagree with just
about everything he has ever said. In spite of that, I think
he made a very good case to the UN. one wonders why he didn't
start out by making this case to the UN instead of prefacing
it by months of counter-productive saber-rattling.
\_ Because if he just walked in and begged them to do something
up front he would've been laughed at. By saber rattling along
the way he made it clear he was dead serious and they better
*do* something or we'd do it for them *and* ignore them in the
future given their previous do-nothing record. Also, there's
this funny idea about how the US is not subject to the 3rd
world pit that is the UN. He made a good case but didn't tell
them we'd abide by their decision if it their plan was to
ignore it and hope it'd go away while they munched sand and
dug their sandy pits a little deeper. |
| 2002/9/13 [Politics/Domestic/911, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:25869 Activity:nil |
9/12 Victory of the proletariat
What the loss of Brazil to "the Reds" would mean for the United States
http://www.enterstageright.com/archive/articles/0902/0902brazilelec2.htm
\_ Who cares, I'm more freaked out about the country/economy/
just about everything I hold near and dear going to hell
if/when/certainly! the bush administration invades Iraq
\_ why don't you post a news link rather than a right-wing
editorial. can't you just write your own right-wing
editorials here on the motd?
\_ Have you ever seen the word 'Communist' associated with
any of the politicians mentioned in the mainstream
press. I rest my case. |
| 2002/9/12-13 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:25861 Activity:very high |
9/12 bush's gonna' do it. he's really gonna' do it.
\_ You just figured this out?
\_ Um, after this morning, he might have the UN on board.
\_ What happened this morning?
\_ don't think anyone dare to cast the veto.
\_ Spain and Kuwait are on board but that's not being reported.
\_ Didn't Russia say last week that they're going to cast the
veto?
\_ No, they just want more IMF concessions.
\_ After the case Bush presented, if the UN doesn't do
anything, it should be disbanded. Or at least we should
leave it. If it passes resolutions it has no intention of
enforcing, it's just a posturing money-pit.
Full text of Bush's address:
enforcing, it's just a posturing money-pit. Full text of
\_ George the 2nd's case is very one sided. He forgets
that the Iraq "problem" of the 1990s could have been
avoided had George the 1st order the taking of Baghdad.
He's probably got other motives too: 1. Elections are
coming up and there is nothing like a good war to get
Bush's address:
link:www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/4060014.htm
\_ George the 2nd's case is very one sided. He forgets that
the Iraq "problem" of the 1990s could have been avoided
campaign.
I hope Russia and some of the EU nations hold thier
ground and veto this preposterous attack on Iraq.
George is also brushing over the risks involved. Iraq
will become YA GI grave yard like Korea and Vietnam.
had George the 1st order the taking of Baghdad. He's
probably got other motives too: 1. Elections are coming
another country where your ideas can get you arrested and shot
w/o trial. America - love it or leave it. Period.
\_ Under the current administration America is turing into
Nazi Germany (we already got something like the Gestapo
with the Dept. of Homeland Security).
up and there is nothing like a good war to get
republicans elected 2. A puppet regieme in Iraq that
supplies US oil companies with cheap crude will really
help out his backers in the oil industry thus ensuring
that he has a large amount of money for his re-election
campaign. George is also brushing over the risks
involved. Iraq will become YA GI grave yard like Korea
and Vietnam.
\_ If we lose enough troops that might shock the American
public into remembering that a protracted ground war
isn't fun and games, no matter how technologically
advanced we are.
\_ How remarkably ignorant. The reason the elder Bush
didn't take out Saddam Hussein was fear in the
administration and country that the coalition would
fall apart (sound familiar?). As far as a potential
quagmire goes, the same prediction was made about
Afghanistan.
\_ There is no armed "Northern Alliance" for the US
to have do the hard work for them. And the US has
led the UN use of sanctions against Iraq which
is a very sore point among Iraqis.
\_ The war between the Northern Alliance and the
Taliban can be likened to the battle between
David and Golliath...and David's big bad
brother, the B-52.
\_ Saddam's learned that lesson already. Unless
the US starts bombing cities, B52s will be
a lot less effective as will most airpower.
\_ hahahahahaha...We've already shown we can
take out their anti-air whenever we like.
And bombs dropped from the sky still blow
up things on the ground. In fact, they're
even more precise now than they were 11
years ago.
\_ Sigh. Not AA, not tanks, not trucks,
not tanker trucks. Individuals. Think
Hui, think Saigon.
\_ If you think Iraq is like Vietnam
(culture, geography, etc.) you need
to get a grip.
\_ YES! American People need more "Living Space."
\_ Don't you dare compare America to Nazi Germany. Please move to
another country where your ideas can get you arrested and shot w/o
trial. America - love it or leave it. Period.
\_ America - love it or change it. Troll.
\_ Under the current administration America is turing into Nazi
Germany (we already got something like the Gestapo with the
Dept. of Homeland Security).
\_ Have you considered working for John Ashcroft?
\_ Or maybe a burning tire necklace.
\_ Loved her. Left her. Now she does tricks on San Pablo.
\_ Woohoo! That's America too now! You es eh! You es eh!
\_ Ridiculous child, you know nothing about oppression.
\_ But thanks to the changed America, I'll know more about
it. And knowing is half the battle.
\_ Bombing Red Cross warehouses is the other half. |
| 2002/9/11-12 [Politics/Domestic/911, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:25847 Activity:high |
9/11 http://www.msnbc.com/news/806174.asp?cp1=1 on Nelson Mandela saying the United States is a threat to world peace. I gave up on the second line where it says "Sentenced to life in prison on desolate Robben Island...". Yes he was held by the government but at least be honest about it; it was a palatial estate the likes of which I can never dream of affording. I'd gladly give up my job and life here to be held captive at his former prison/estate. \_ would you really want to be captive in one spot for 25 years? not that I think mandela is the greatest, no one mentions that he used to be a terrorist. granted, fighting the aparteid policies of south africa almost excused just about anything. his wife waited for him for 25 years, then he divorced her for some sweet young thing just as soon as he was released from jail. - danh \_ 25 years in paradise? Would you turn down a ticket to Heaven for eternity too? Don't forget all those burning tires around the necks of non-ANC blacks. \- from the pictures i have seen of his cell it didnt seem palatial. do you have a picture? being married to winnie mandela was probably a worse sentence. ok tnx. \_ He was held in confinement (yes, prison) not in a cell for most of the time on a gorgeous estate. I saw pics in a magazine. \_ Other views around the world are similar: http://www.csmonitor.com/specials/oneyearlater/livesChanged_good.html I had no idea the Koreans hated us that much. Anyone got a link to the video mentioned in the article? \_ http://koreawave.sohu.com/66/80/article201698066.shtml \_ OBYankeeGoHome! |
| 2002/9/10 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:25833 Activity:nil |
9/10 Bush really more liberal than Clinton:
http://www.thenewamerican.com/tna/2002/09-09-2002/vo18no18_disguise.htm |
| 11/27 |
| 2002/8/30 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:25737 Activity:high |
8/29 What have been the major highlights (or lowlights) of Bush Jr's
presidency thus far?
\_Well, if you didn't have your head in the sand for the past
12 months, you'd know that we were attacekd by terrorists and
that we sent troops to Afghanistan. |
| 2002/8/23 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:25659 Activity:high |
8/22 mabye the bush supporters here would like to explain what internment
camps for US citizens stipped of all rights have to do with
the "core conservative values" you always drone on about.
http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0814-05.htm
LA times article by GW law professor about Ashcrofts plans
for US concentration camps for those deemed unloyal.
\_ Report to the re-education camps immediately.
\_ It is a subject that deserves more than just a
a few sentences in the MOTD or an article in the LA times.
If you want a serious discussion without demagoguery, including
links to ex parte Quirin and other relevant SCOTUS rulings
try these:
http://freerepublic.com/focus/news/735247/posts?page=1,50
http://freerepublic.com/focus/news/733078/posts?page=51,50
http://freerepublic.com/focus/news/736952/posts
\_ ok, so it seems freepers can see this for the blatant
attack on american freedoms it is. so why are they
so gung ho for Bush? he appointed Ashcroft.
everyone but total idiots knew he would appoint people
with Ashcrofts ideology. so why all the bush loving?
is it a lesser of evils thing?
also, i'd like to point out that one of your freeper links
is just a link to the same article i posted. -op
\_ Here. Read this. There are laws in the this country and
things are being taken care of. Just chill and relax and
smoke a bowl. You'll feel better knowing the system works.
Checks and balances, kids.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A50967-2002Aug22.html
\_ 1. that's a seperate isssue: surveilance
2. you still haven't answered my question
3. your beloved bush administration is already chalenging
the decision.
Fine, I'll keep your links, but they are missing valuable
insight and information you will unlikely find elsewhere.
There is no competition of ideas, just punditry.
http://nyt.com/focus/news/735247/posts?page=1,50
http://nyt.com/focus/news/733078/posts?page=51,50
http://nyt.com/focus/news/736952/posts
\_ That's not the half of it. Check out this:
http://csua.org/u/1a4
\_ You see, in this country we have this thing we call 'the law' and
just because the La Times tells you someone plans on breaking the
law or has been breaking the law does not mean it is so. If in
fact some actually really does break the law then that has nothing
to do with conservative values. Let us know when it happens and
then there'll be something to talk about.
\_ The problem with links like this from sites with an obvious
political agenda is the entire piece is based on their claims of
the existance of plans for internment camps and rights stripping
for US citizens, however, they fail to provide any reference to
said plans and force the reader to take their word for it at face
value (which you apparently have) with no reliable evidence
what so ever. Whatever your own politics may be, and this applies
to everyone on the motd, it is important to carefully examine and
question the sources one relies upon for information and the basis
for one's views and beliefs. Without a reliable second or third
source, the reader is at the mercy of the agenda driven and we all
*know* people with an axe to grind will always twist a story or only
tell the parts (out of context) that support their views. This is
an 'intellectually dangerous' path to follow. Question everything.
\_ what part of US citizens arrested on US soil don't you
understand?
\_ there is this place called a prison where there are tons
of american citizens arrested and lots of illegal aliens as
well.
\_ US citizens get arrested all the time. That's what happens
when you break the law. I understand and enourage that sort
of thing. We even sometimes extradite people from other
counrties to this country to try and jail them. Seriously,
dude, you're going nowhere with that simplistic comment. |
| 2002/8/9 [Politics/Domestic/Crime, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:25531 Activity:nil 60%like:25533 |
8/9 Koreans and microwavable dogmeat: http://www.local6.com/sh/news/stories/nat-news-158143320020729-080754.html |
| 2002/8/3 [Politics/Domestic, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:25484 Activity:nil |
8/2 http://www.opensecrets.org |
| 2002/7/29-30 [Politics/Domestic/RepublicanMedia, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:25440 Activity:high |
7/29 A question for you married alumni: have you become more conservative
since you graduated, started working, and got married (or had kids)
even? (assuming you were liberal before):
yes:
no: .
\_ Marriage had no effect. But going to Berkeley did. I entered Cal
as a blank slate. All the political stuff was totally outside my
entire universe before entering college. I came to Cal. I was
inundated with leftist propoganda. I listened. I analysed. I
became aware. I eventually registered Republican and vote that way
at every election now. I don't agree with the entire (R) platform.
A lot of it is a load of crap but less so than what the left wants
to do. I think talking with BH was the turning point for me.
\_ I came in left and UC Berkeley made me much less left for
basically the same reasons. I've since moved away from campus. I
live and work and volunteer in West Berkeley now and my politics
have been drifting back to the left working with the community
here. It was the frickin' indoctrination that sucked.
\_ More responsible and financially conservative, yes. My politics
haven't changed- although I'd encourage Pat Buchanan to build the
wall twice as high now that we are post 9/11. -ax
\_ Woo woo! GO PAT GO!
\_ i was republican when i first went to Cal and when i graduated
i was still a republican. now (6 years after graduating) i'm
still a republican. i guess my political views haven't changed
at all. -uctt
\_ I came to Berkeley center-left, but watching Tim
Russert smirk the night of the 2000 election and reading
Freerepublic I am now hard right. How could I have been so
stupid? BTW Bush is increasingly a disappointment.
\_ Bush has always been a disappointment. --dim
\_ I hope you're a troll. The freepers aren't real republicans or
real conservatives (not the same thing). They're a bunch of
whacko extremist freaks. They're the right's unthinking
counter part to the left's unthinking Berkeley/San Francisco
counterpart to the left's unthinking Berkeley/San Francisco
whacko extremist freaks. I've yet to hear an extremist from any
part of the spectrum that didn't turn my stomach. And no I'm not
a wishy washy undecided middle-grounder either. |
| 2002/7/12-13 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:25343 Activity:high |
7/12 I.am@yermoms.house
\_ Fixing the toilet or mowing the lawn?
\_ Plugging the drain and trimming the bush |
| 2002/7/2-3 [Reference/History, Computer/SW/Security, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:25265 Activity:nil |
7/2 The Prez has lots of experience with corporate fraud:
http://www.nytimes.com/2002/07/02/opinion/02KRUG.html
http://www.salon.com/politics/feature/2002/07/02/bush/index_np.html?x
\_ so? if it really ends up leading to reform, i don't care
what he did in the past. let's judge him by his current actions,
not past actions. they're bad enough.
\_ You really think we have any real chance of seeing reform? |
| 2002/6/29 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:25242 Activity:very high |
6/28 Cheney takes over government!
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A62584-2002Jun28.html
\_ It's only the second time that the 25th Amendment is invoked, and in
both times it's because the President of the United States of
America has his anus poked.
\_ When was the other time? Carter getting his hemrhoids(sp)
removed?
\_ "The only other time Section 3 was invoked was July 13, 1985,
when President Reagan underwent surgery for colon cancer."
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&ncid=716&e=1&u=/ap/20020628/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_medical
\_ "Bush said he decided to transfer powers to Cheney out of extra
caution because the nation is at war."
One last time... did Congress actually declare war? -geordan
\_ you know the answer. why don't you count how many times
the bush administration has violated the constitution
and tell us.
\_ I feel so violated. -- the Constitution
\_ I believe that FDR was the last president to actually
request a declaration of war and get it..
\_ Yawn... here come the lawyers! Yes, sure, 'war' has a
specific legal meaning in this country which requires, oh
fuck it. You know all this. Fucking motd. So pedantic
in a pathetic attempt to score some 'points' on some
mythical scoreboard somewhere.
\_ How does Bush violate the Constitution by just saying that
we are a nation at war?
\_ Only Congress has the power to declare war. The terrorism
thing is a MEOW (Moral Equivalent Of War) type war. Like
the "war" on drugs.
\_ And the war on desert storms.
\_ And the Korean and Vietnam wars?
\_ Oh please, both you and Mr. Mythical Scoreboard up
there. I asked if Congress actually declared war.
Suddenly people are pulling "Geordan said that Bush is
violating the Constitution" out of their ass. And I
don't know about any "mythical scoreboard" you're
referring to. Get a life, or at least sign your name.
-geordan |
| 2002/6/28 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:25235 Activity:very high |
6/27 Private School Costs vs. Public School Costs
http://www.mackinac.org/1118
\_ Do for public education what Enron did for public power!
\_ Do to the education system what Enron did for the power system!
\_ If anything Enron affirms the efficiency of free
market forces. Nobody said it was perfect, and
FWIW, there had been obvious warnings for
over a year and a half.
\_ read Gatto's "A Different Kind of Teacher" |
| 2002/6/8 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:25037 Activity:moderate |
6/7 So when are you libertarians going to disavow the Cato Institue
and all the other Bush Ass kissing warmongering groups?
http://www.antiwar.com/justin/justincol.html
\_ Because the left is tax & spend and for big government which is
the exact opposite of what a lot of libertarianism is all about?
Troll, before you post drivel about someone else's philosophy you
should take at least 30 seconds to find out what that philosophy
is all about. I'm not a libertarian but I at least bothered to
find out what their core beliefs are at one point in my life. |
| 2002/5/26 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:24949 Activity:nil |
5/26 president bush has a lot of friends.
\_ Everyone likes monosyllabic dolts. |
| 2002/5/26 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush, Politics/Domestic/California] UID:24948 Activity:moderate |
5/25 The Devil and Mr. Hicks
http://www.laweekly.com/ink/02/27/cover-cooper.shtml
\_ The news in this story is what? That as people grow wiser they see
the folly in the leftist agenda? Nothing new about that. |
| 2002/5/6 [Politics/Domestic/California/Arnold, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:24729 Activity:very high |
5/6 Why is http://cnn.com a bad provider of news? What are some good online news providers? \_ How about bbc.uk? \_ try NPR or DW (http://dw-world.de/english \_ The which is utterly broken... \_ NPR? HAHAHHAHHAHAHHAHAAAA! Do they serve news with their agenda? \_ And who do you suggest? NewRepublic? \_ CNN is shallow and trite. \_ Actually, the overseas versions of CNN are much better. Get a satellite feed. \_ /etc/motd.public \_ Only read the http://washingtontimes.com and http://freerepublic.com. Then you will be free of the contamination of liberal thought. |
| 2002/5/1 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:24666 Activity:nil |
5/1 there's a billboard near head level on san pablo / gilman for the
movie "Sum Of All Fears" at the top it says "78,000 NUCLEAR WEAPONS"
in the middle someone has thoughtfully pasted a sign that says
"GEORGE W BUSH IS PRESIDENT"
\_I still don't know why you bag on Bush.... the current situation
is caused by a lot of issues which are totally out of his hands..
well they are obviously in them now which is why he is getting
blamed but in reality he is just trying to clean up shit dumped
upon him by previous generations. do the run down...
recession: caused by over investment over year prior to his
presidency and over lack of efficient regulation in the telecom
and energy markets all which enacted regulations BEFORE bush was
elected and laws which Bush now not involved with.
Israel: caused by fucking post ww2 jew lovers. Israel needs to be
shot down. In this regards bush is actually again not the guy who
caused the problem but now being blamed for not Fixing it. That
is so damn hypocritical.
\_ Yeah! Kill the Jews! That'll fix it! Let's start by numbering
their arms so we can keep track of them and then we can round
them up and put them in camps for our safety and then....
Just do down th line Bush is trying to pick up the pieces. Could
he do better, yes but that isn't the point we can always do
better, is he trying yes. If you want to assign BLAME (Its "his"
fault) go find some FCC and FERC presidents go find some judge
which has kept the ms monopoly running, go find the patent judges
which restrict innovation. Now go tell me how Bush is the
cause....
\_ Patents don't restrict innovation. I doubt you even know what
a patent even is.
I know several people who have just been hird by the forestry
service.. so there are jobs to be had..... I guess you should go
blame Bush for that to. Or how about the thousands of jobs which
are going to be SUSTAINED in california due to the JSF contract
as opposed to peope who would just be left of the street.. the
fault of Bush obvious.. maybe you should go out there and tell
them all Bush is a jerk and fire them all.
Then what about DAVIS??? you never mention him at all.. yet he is
parhaps the most corrupt governmet official in history blowing
all OUR money.
You want to blame someone.. how about Gates! He has the power to
override all profit motive in the US, he has the power to reduce
msft to a not for profit enterprise and return windows and office
to the public. Not to mention his abiltiy to spend 50B in cash
on whatever he wants. but what does he do... nothing for the
"common" american. What does bush do for the "common" american-
he provides stability and an environment such that jobs are
available.
\_ BG owes you *exactly* *nothing*. Go start your own little
communist utopia somewhere. BG is a dick but he doesn't owe
you anything.
When you bag on bush provide concrete example otherwise you
massively lose my respect with blanket comments. Ya you migth be
right that Bush is to blame for everything and he is the
antichrist or whatever but if you don't tell me what he has done
I am left with my opinion and my believes and you are just
pissing me off.
\_ So I'm confused. Other than your need for ee190, are you a
conservative or a socialist? You can't seem to make up your
mind. You post contradictory philosophies. You want stiff
regulation, you want free trade, you want to break patents, you
want to kill the jews, you want to confiscate BG's wealth, etc.
I'm thinking you're just posting all sorts of random stuff
hoping that if you post enough of it, something will stick and
you'll get a huge flame fest.
\_ I think he just wanted to toy with your puny little brain. |
| 2002/5/1 [Politics/Domestic/President/Reagan, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:24664 Activity:insanely high |
5/1 The Jenin "massacre" death toll = 56 (I'm going to *ASSUME* that
this wasn't censored repeatedly)
http://www.washtimes.com/world/20020501-5587072.htm
\_ Of course it was censored repeatedly. I'm still waiting for the
hysterical British rags to make this front page news for a few
weeks the same way they made the original false charges front page
news. We know the British rags are all top notch and unbiased,
right? They'll retract of course. Any good papers would.
\_ Got a URL for any of these so-called British rags?
\_ Where've you been? Go read the motd archives. We've
discussed this at length on the motd before.
\_ Typical straw man arguement. The Guardian and BBC,
both widely quoted in the motd, have been pretty
balanced. They always said things like "Palestinian
sources claim massacre" and I defy you to show otherwise.
Here is a recent BBC article about it, btw:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/middle_east/newsid_1957000/1957862.stm
\_ Garbage. It's all in the archives. And go read your
own BBC link. The non-BBC rags are screeching and
anything but unbiased.
\_ 26 israeli soldiers die to kill 56 in jenin? I think the non
military "civilians" kicked well equiped israeli soldiers
asses in that case.
\_ Israel could use planes and bombs like we do, but they actually
want to protect lives on either side.
\_ Maybe because they weren't civilians? 2:1 in man to man street
fighting is pretty good. The US no longer does this sort of
combat. We just flatten shit from 50,000 feet. Imagine the
outcry if Israel fought wars the way we do.
\_ http://www.realjournalism.net/times.htm
http://www.fair.org/extra/best-of-extra/washington-times.html
\_ This is all FUD and noise. The http://fair.org link is so old it talks
about Reagan reading it everyday. I doubt he's read anything of
note for almost 10 years.
\_So are you saying the moonies stopped being a cult sometime
recently, or what?
\_ Are you claiming that Reverend Moon did not say all that?
\_ To both of the above: I'm saying I don't see how it matters.
I want to take over the world also. So what? Please show
in some way other than attacking the paper's owners that
the information in the link is untrue in some way. The
same information is elsewhere on the net. It must be a
grand moonie conspiracy, eh?
\_ http://www.mediachannel.org/originals/revmoon.shtml
much more about Moon's attempts to buy influence worldwide
\_ Anyone who reads the Washington Times for anything but
humor value is seriously wacked.
\_ That's nice. Do you have any evidence or alternate sources
that this article is incorrect in any way? Please post your
URLs so we can judge for ourselves. Thanks. |
| 2002/4/29-30 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:24635 Activity:kinda low |
4/29 Gamble: Davis bets the state budget on his re-election
"This time, they say, the budget hole will probably
fall in the $20 billion to $22 billion range...
The final damage is hard to estimate because Davis,
instead of getting serious about scaling back state
spending (which has swelled by 36 percent under his watch)..."
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/674923/posts
\_ No one cares what you idiot inbreds think.
\_ No one cares what Simple Simon and his inbred supporters
think. Give it up.
\_ This state needs a real leader. Someone with vision. Someone
who cares. A man like... Gray Davis.
\_ Post the god damned original link not the freeper crap.
http://www.presstelegram.com/archive/opinions/0402/29/edi02.asp |
| 2002/4/18 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush, Reference/Military, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:24478 Activity:nil 61%like:24424 |
4/18 "I do believe Ariel Sharon is a man of peace," Bush says.
War is Peace.
\_ Yeah yeah and they gave Arafat the Nobel Peace Prize. Whatever.
\_ Ignorance is Strength. |
| 2002/3/28-29 [Politics/Domestic/911, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:24266 Activity:insanely high |
3/28 So how many people believe the U.S. was involved in bringing
down the WTC in order to create endless oilwar as well as blind
flag waving/rights-waiving obeissance etc?
\_ How many? Only the stupid and the paranoid ones. Count them up.
\_ It was the Mossad.
\_ you misspelled "yermom."
\_ Sure, blame the Jews. You know it was the ANC.
\_ The US didn't do it, but knew it was going to happen
and turned a blind eye to the possiblity:
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2002/jan2002/sept-j16.shtml
stunning the growing protests of globalization just before
\_ Wouldn't be the first time that the TPTB overlooked
an impending disaster (ex. FDR and Pearl Harbor)
\_ or manufactured one (e.g., Tonkin Gulf, resulting
in U.S. entering the Vietnam War) -- the government
admits this openly now.
\_ USS Maine and the Spanish American War, USS Greer
and WWI, the list goes on.
\_ You mean USS Greer/WWII, right? What is odd
about that incident? UBoats sank quite a few US
\_ Greer was WWI. She was the first ship fired upon
by germans, but this was in self defense (the
destroyers before the US entry. Do you think they
were all hoaxes or something?
\_ Greer was WWI. She was the first navy ship fired
on by germans, but this was in self defense (the
Greer was depth charging the Uboat in question)
Wilson "forgot" that the Greer was under orders
to depth charge Uboats when we went before congress
and urged the US entry into WWI. It wasn't exactly
lying, but it was shady.
\_ http://www.ibiblio.org/pha/7-2-188/188-29.html
Maybe the same incident happened in both
wars with the same ship, but I kind of doubt
it.
\_ http://www.copvcia.com and http://www.emperors-clothes.com
\_ don't forget masking the inevitable economic downturn and
the stunning growing protests of globalization just before
they IMF/WB went to WDC
\_ yeah all those dotcommers outa work could cause a lot
of hell if they identified the real problem
\_ Actually this was a problem for most large corporations.
Once the supply of labor was getting short, costs went
up. When the dotcoms who couldn't outlast a yearlong
recession and died, the supply of labor shot up and
corporation costs have gone down.
\_ Not that I'm discounting the theory, but why is there a
conspiracy theory for every major event in history? Next thing
you know, the gov't conspired to bring the asteroid in to kill
off the dinosaurs.
\_ Cuz government by definition IS a conspiracy, one which is
well-funded and controls who the "rules" apply to and which
commits every action with social control and the maintaining
power (gained via the conspiracy of government) as its
paramount concern. Off-the-shelf formulas are used frequently.
\_ "by definition". Uhm ok. Whatever. No cookie, troll.
\_ The government bringing in asteroids to kill the dinosaurs?
Nothing could be more absurd. Everyone knows it was space
aliens. -geordan
\_ it was the gays. -rev. falwell
\_ and we all know what a healthy lifestyle many of them lead. |
| 2002/3/20 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:24168 Activity:nil |
3/20 http://www.washtimes.com/world/20020320-167972.htm Bush rejects "World Tax" to help the world's poor. What a total unsympathetic heartless bastard! \_ You _are_ kidding, right? \_ No, the link is real. It isn't fake. It's the real thing. How could I fake a link to *everyone* on soda when they're reading the web from all over the country? |
| 2002/3/14 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:24107 Activity:insanely high |
3/13 Why have Enron and Global Crossing completely disappeared
from the mainstream press? This was predicted as
Bush's Watergate.
\_ Because there's no story and no one cares? And GC was a pure Dem
disaster politcally which is why it barely got any press at all.
Who predicted this was a "Bush Watergate"? Hopeful and otherwise
clueless lefty media types who are trying hard to avoid pointing
out that the Dems don't have any positive plans for the country?
That their only plan is smear and "we're not them!"? Whatever.
The real answer is there's no story there. Both companies were
poorly run and then keeled over as one would expect given how each
ran themselves. BFD.
\_ Bwahaha! Run and scurry Bush-boy. Three to five screenplays are
already in the works on Enron. This won't be dead for years. It
just won't be front page news every single day.
\_ This is what people said of the junk bond "scandal". Almost
no one remembers or cares.
\_ You must be young. No one cares. And frankly the Dems
should be *really* happy no one cares. If anyone did care
and the media was honest all the dirty Dem connections would
be everywhere. Even Waxman is backing off his earlier
attacks. What does Waxman know that you don't?
\_ Earl: Didja get a tug on that lure?
Cletus: Yup a got a couple. |
| 2002/3/13-14 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:24102 Activity:moderate |
3/13 http://www.nytimes.com/2002/03/13/international/13CND-ZIMB.html oh, the irony: In Washington, a statement by Secretary Powell said "Mugabe can claim victory but not democratic legitimacy." \_ What's the irony in that? \_ The touchy feely gore lover who posted this believes that bush and co did not win the election in a democratic way because they didn't let "every vote be counted" and had a bunch of cronies in the sc rule in thier favor. \_ Oh. Is this that nonsense about stealing the election even though no matter how they counted and recounted it afterwards the best they could do was a three (3) vote win for Gore under some extremely unlikely and bizarre circumstances? You mean that election where every vote got counted so many times the chad was falling out of ballots all over the floor and tables? Thanks. Now I know. |
| 2002/3/7 [Politics/Domestic/RepublicanMedia, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:24052 Activity:moderate |
3/6 hey freerepublic guy, what do you think of bush's
kowtowing to the US steel industry? - danh
\_ it's utter berkeley! the sacrifice of morals to take a stance
on some issue clouded by stupidity!
\_ How so? By refusing to pick up the steel industry tab? I'm not
the freeper guy, btw. The steel industry is incredibly pissed off
that the feds won't pick up their pension debts. What are you
talking about?
\_ Isn't this about Bush being able to claim that he stood
by steel workers and reaping the political benefit of being
loyal to supporters while at the same time being fully aware
that this will be shot down by the WTO?
\_ and trying to balance that against the votes he'll lose by
driving up durable goods prices...
\_ I think danh is talking about steel tariffs to protect the
uncompetitive steel industry. Freeper's are split about it.
- jeffwong
\_ Well it isn't free competition if the competition is being
artificially boosted by their own tariffs and government
subsidies. It's hard for a company to compete with the
entire tax base of a foreign nation.
\_ It's not always the government. It's cheaper labor and
better "tax incentives," and product dumping by the
competition. The fun part is that the foreign companies
can get around the US tariffs by selling to Canadian or
Mexican companies to ship to the US. NAFTA prevents the
tariffs being imposed on them. |
| 2002/3/4-5 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:24022 Activity:high |
3/4 Enron/Taliban link explained:
http://www.monitor.net/monitor/0202a/enroncoverup.html
\_ Uh, there were any surprises in here for you?
\_ That is a really sad attempt to try to tie the Bush
administration to Enron. I don't like Bush that much,
he just proposed the largest budget in US history.
But why does the Enron timeline as reported in the
media always omit the years 1992-2000?
Do yourself a favor and search for Ron Brown and Enron.
Wait, you don't know who Ron Brown was? He was Clinton's
Commerce Secratary who personally escorted Lay on trade
mission to India, Africa and the Balkans. In one case a
week after Lay cut the DNC a 100,000$ check. Lay had at
least a dozen sleep overs in the Clinton's White House. Oh,
and what happened to Brown? Well his plane "accidently"
and what happened to Brown? Well his plane conveniently
crashed in the mountains of Croatia shortly before he was
to be subpoened by Congress to testify about Clinton.
\_ hi, check your facts, Lay never slept over
at the clinton white house. are people going
to repeat this over and over until it becomes true?
http://www.spinsanity.org/post.html?2002_02_24_archive.html#10250815 - danh
\_ Thanks I retract that then.
\_ Fucking right wing conspiracy spouting fascist! Don't bring
*facts* into this! We all know Enron only existed during
Republican administrations. We know what the meaning of "is"
is, damn it!
\_ it is kind of funny how the current administration
is pretending they never heard of enron, when
enron was bush's biggest contributor and is/was
so blatingly pro business first when deciding
on policy.
\_ What are you refering to? Last I checked
Enron called the Secretary Oneil,
but the administration did nothing. Are you
implying the administration should have gone
public with info about Enron? It was
Robert Rubin (of Long Term Capital Management
fame) that wanted government intervention.
If there's any lesson to be learned about this,
it's that we need to pay more taxes and need
bigger federal government.
\_ How'd you get *that* lesson from this? The
lesson is "diversify your investments" and "dont
believe the hype from management". These are
ancient bits of wisdom people seem to need to
re-learn over n over n over....
\_ Being sarcastic... |
| 2002/3/2 [Politics/Domestic, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:24012 Activity:high |
3/1 Shadow Government in operation:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A22615-2002Mar1.html
Somehow this shadow government business makes me want to buy
guns, lots of guns.
\_ is it still a "shadow government" if everyone knows about it?
\_ Would you rather they had NO contingency plan? If you want to
go shoot someone, why do you need to wait for an excuse.
\_ The contingency plan can easily get out of hand. What is to
stop the shadow gov. from declaring martial law and abridging
our rights under the constitution and the bill of rights?
If the gun control idiots happen to prevail, we will have no
way of fighting back either.
If you think that martial law can't happen in the modern
world, it happened less than 30 yrs ago in India.
\_ Xfilers knew about this several years ago... it's called FEMA,
and they can declare martial law. It's a conspiracy with
aliens.
\_motd formatting Nazi was here...
\_ I'm opposed to gun control and a staunch conservative but
you're just sounding like a whacko. What stops them from
declaring martial law? How about the fact that there's
still a Federal Government stomping around and these people
all answer to it? Did you even read the article? Troll.
\_ All Hail Caesar!
\_ Et tu brute?
\_ Although some would say the actual words were really
"And you, too, my son?" which means a lot more if you
understand the relationship between Julius and Brutus. |
| 2002/2/22 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Others] UID:23948 Activity:high |
2/21 "BUSH'S VIETNAM"
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=127&u=/020221/7/14zdw.html
\_ Ted Rall should stick to drawing mediocre comic strips. Or see
somebody about getting his medication changed. |
| 2002/2/22 [ERROR, uid:23939, category id '18005#4.125' has no name! , , Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:23939 Activity:nil |
2/21 Does anyone have a username/password for http://wsj.com (wall st journal)? \_ Yes. \_ did you try csua/csua or motd/motd? |
| 2002/2/19-20 [Politics/Domestic/911, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:23910 Activity:very high |
2/19 http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/02/19/gen.strategic.influence/index.html Office of Strategic Influence or Office of Propoganda/Brainwashing? \_ Oh my god! The government might not tell the truth! This is truly shocking! Do we also spend money on the Office of Correct Spelling? Not enough, apparently. \_ yeah but this is the sort of office it'd be better not to publicize to people..just do it already, but covertly. |
| 2002/2/6-7 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:23798 Activity:high |
2/6 For those that know rice. What's a good rice cooker brand? I need
one that cooks and keeps warm. I only have a "cooker" and not a
"warmer." Oh, and where to buy it cheap.
\_ pot. stove. 15 minutes.
\_ You don't understand. I'm a lazy ass bum who'd rather starve
than to cook ramen.
\_ National, aka Panasonic, aka Matsushita -jon
\_ go to ranch 99 or lion plaza
\_ Where is Lion Plaza?
\_ Mission Blvd off 880. But any Ranch 99 or Marina Food will do
\_ 99 Ranch, not Ranch 99
\_ picky picky. -anti-anal police
\_ "Ni Ni Ranch"
\_ Tits ranch?
\_ Yes, but all my friends call it Ranch 99 for some
reason. If you search the web for "Ranch 99" you can
see many references too. We also say its Chinese name
as "Dai Wah 99" even though the printed form is
"Dai Wah" only.
\_ http://www.99ranch.com
\_ also one in Milpitas, by Milpitas Blvd. and Dixon Landing
\_ Or you can go to the one in Daly City.
\_ look for an elephant emblem.
\_ zojirushi. those rule.
\_ yes... these are good... I had one. They allegedly utilize
"fuzzy logic" in the temperature control. |
| 2002/2/5 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:23775 Activity:nil |
2/4 The largest fiber optic network in the world is about to be
'bought' by the Chicoms, and where is the media?
A national disgrace.
http://freerepublic.com/focus/fr/621896/posts |
| 2002/2/2 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/Crime, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:23755 Activity:high |
2/1 Justice orders White House to preserve all Enron documents. And here I
thought it was the job of the Justice Department to stall, delay, and
protect criminal activity in the Executive branch.... Speaking of
which, Janet Reno is still going to run for Florida Governor even after
her little episode on stage.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A10986-2002Feb1.html
\_ This is the COMPUTER Science Undergraduate Organization, not the
Political Science Undergrad Association.
\_ The "sue uh"?
\_ Take your boring politics elsewhere.
\_ "dude! a new linux kernel is out! quick! post it to the motd!
first!! first!!" Get over it. You can't hide in a machine room
or computer lab your entire life. Join the human race. BTW, why
aren't you bitching about all the other things on the motd that
aren't specifically nerd oriented?
\_ You should've got a Dell, dude!
\_ Don't forget the head of the GAO is a former board member
of Arthur Andersen, appointed in 1998 by who else?
\_ Don't forget the head of the GAO, Walker, is a former board member
of Arthur Andersen, appointed in 1998 by who else? And don't
forget it was the same GAO who did not sue Gore over
his Buddhist temple and other 1996 campaign finance
violations (read taking money from the PLA). |
| 2002/1/30 [Recreation/Dating, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:23722 Activity:nil |
1/30 Amazing how the post about some chick in a bikini on Howard
Stern can last for so long, yet the extra special George Bush
quote gets deleted in one day. |
| 2002/1/30 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:23715 Activity:nil |
1/29 Actual Bush quote from State of the Union Address:
"For too long our culture has said, 'If it feels good, do it.'
Now America is embracing a new ethic and a new creed: 'Let's roll.'"
Since when is Bush advocating Ecstacy use?
\_ maybe after his niece got arrested on drug charges?
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20020129/ts_nm/crime_bush_niece_dc_4 |
| 2002/1/30 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:23714 Activity:nil |
1/29 two years of service to help bush's re-election campaign? no way! |
| 2002/1/29 [ERROR, uid:23699, category id '18005#2.59375' has no name! , , Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:23699 Activity:nil |
1/28 Stop the homesexuals from exploiting our grief!
http://www.conservativepetitions.com/petition.html?name=homosexuals_exploit |
| 2002/1/28 [ERROR, uid:23697, category id '18005#2.59375' has no name! , , Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:23697 Activity:nil |
1/28 Help stop child porn in our libraries:
http://www.conservativepetitions.com/petition.html?name=libraryporn |
| 2002/1/28 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:23696 Activity:nil |
1/27 Bush has heart trouble. White House hides Bush medical info. I think
all Presidential medical info should be public.
http://www.kpcc.org/features/bush_special.html |
| 2002/1/26 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:23672 Activity:nil |
1/25 fox reports all top enron executives are now on suicide watch.
\_ They should be on Republican Hit Squad watch. |
| 2002/1/21 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:23620 Activity:nil |
1/20 Enron and the Bush Administration:
kindred spirits in fraud and criminality:
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2002/jan2002/enro-j18.shtml
\_ Why read rambling drivel?
http://www.americanprospect.com/print/V13/3/meyerson-h.html
\_ Interesting article. Thank you. --erikred
\_ With an intro like yours why bother reading it? Is there any
factual links in there showing Bush is responsible for Enron's
collapse in any way or profited from it or used/abused his power to
aid anyone who had aided his campaign in any sort of quid-pro-quo?
No Clinton quality sellouts to multiple foreign powers?
\_ Yes there are political ties, but the delve equally into
the repubs and dems. Consequently, like Chinagate, the
inquiry will go nowhere. All the more reason for smaller
government. |
| 2002/1/19 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:23605 Activity:kinda low |
1/18 How many members of the Bush regime served on Enron's BoD?
\_ Enron bought just about every state rep. Demoidiot or
Repumoron from Texas as well as several other states.
They company was twisted all the way around and to the
very top. Get over it. It is just another corrupt
Washington Scandal that everyone knows is the norm. |
| 2002/1/18 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:23593 Activity:insanely high |
1/18 NY Times Writer Took $50,000 "Consultancy" Fee
From Enron To Give Them "Cover"
http://www.andrewsullivan.com
\_ Oh no! A NYT writer?! I'm shocked! He took more than 99% of
politicians in either party? It's a scandal! |
| 2002/1/15 [Politics/Domestic/President/Reagan, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:23564 Activity:very high |
1/14 When Reagan was shot, Alexander Haig got a lot of crap about the
line of succession and the 25th ammendment. I looked at the
25th ammendment and I can't find anything about the speaker
of the house comming after the VP and the secy. of state coming
5th. Is it stated in the constitution anywhere?
\_ yes.
\_ I heard the same thing after 9/11 when they talked about why they
were keeping Cheney away from Bush.
\- hello. q.v. Article XXV is on minimal requirements on
presidential sucession. the exact details and procedures consitent
with this scheme is spelled out in a congressional acts (per II.1.6)
general recommendation: there is a good edition of the
consititution of the US printed by the govt printing office with
a lot of tactical info and a good index. it's probably a couple
of bucks.
as we have learned with election 2000, the "u.s. govt finite state
machine" doenst have all of its i's dotted and t's crossed.
ok tnx --psb
\_ How about those executive orders? I don't see anything in
the constitution giving the president law-making powers.
\_ and I see nothing in the constitution that forbids it.
\_ To properly answer your question, NO, it is not specifically
listed in the US Constitution. The 25th amendment does allow
Congress to set up the order of sucession in Article XXV. So all
the Constitution states is that it's up to Congress. Congress
currently has an Act in place that states the specific order of
sucession. Sorry, I don't remember where in the law books that
one is located at. I'll leave that an exercise for the reader. |
| 2002/1/11 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:23533 Activity:nil |
1/11 Enron == Teapot Dome! |
| 2002/1/1 [Reference/BayArea, Academia/Berkeley, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:23426 Activity:nil |
1/1 Isn't it amazing that in Berkeley, land of the Free Speech Movement,
any critisism of the Bush administration and its policies is immediately
deleted? How far we have fallen. |
| 2001/12/31 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:23418 Activity:nil |
12/30 "Both Reno and O'Donnell, a foster parent, said they
shared a commitment to helping children."
Like the ones burned to death in Waco and Elian?
http://freerepublic.com/focus/fr/599106/posts
\_ As bad as I think Reno was for the country at least she isn't the
total nutjob that O'Donnell is. As long as Rosie keeps to her
self-ego boosting magazine and bad TV we're safe. |
| 2001/12/28 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:23389 Activity:moderate |
12/27 Republicans and Democrats took millions from Enron, granted it
exemption from ordinary financial oversight:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A22448-2001Dec24.htm
\_ We need a smaller government.
\_ and we have:
http://www.sfweekly.com/issues/2001-12-26/smith.html/1/index.html |
| 2001/12/27 [Politics/Domestic/California/Arnold, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:23379 Activity:nil |
12/26 The truth about KAL 007, soviet abduction, and CIA/KGB coverup,
brought to you by Jesse Helms and http://freerepublic.com
http://freerepublic.com/focus/fr/597265/posts |
| 2001/12/20 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:23327 Activity:nil |
12/19 Harry Browne on Bush:
http://www.WorldNetDaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=25767
\_ Yeah. As if business didn't already control the government. |
| 2001/12/15-16 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:23250 Activity:very high |
12/15 Bush: "I don't know whether we're going to get him tomorrow or a
month from now, or a year from now, or in my second term of office. I
don't really know. But we're going to get him," he continued."
\_ <DEAD>www.smirkingchimp.com<DEAD>
\_ Is self-confidence a crime now?
\_ you misspelled "arrogance"
\_ Bush would've spelled it that way.
\_ Funny that no matter how well the man does some
people are still stuck swallowing leftist media
noise. Do you also think it's ok to sell secrets
to foreign powers for DNC cash infusions?
\_ Do you have any evidence backing up your paranoid
fantasies? URL please.
\_ You're as bad as all those people in the Arab
world who unequivocally accuse the US of
doctoring the bin Laden tape without any
actual evidence they it was doctored. Like
them believing anything al Jazeira says without
proof, you believe anything the RNC says
without proof. So unless you actually saw
Bill Clinton hand over a pile of secret military
documents to another country, shut the fuck up.
\_ Amazing. So unless I *personally* see a
crime take place it couldn't possibly have
happened? So let's say I break in to your
place while you're gone and steal all your
stuff. You later find your stuff at my
place but you didn't see me take it. You're
cool with that? What's your address? I'm
coming by for a visit.
\_ Congratulations, this is among the most
pathetic posts I've read on the motd. As
we all know, it was just a vast right
wing conspiracy. Uh huh.
\_ This is nice. You have nothing more
intelligible to say so you retort
with an inane comment. And stop
putting words into my mouth.
\_ Ok, ask yourself why Clinton
was spending his time jerking
off in the Oval Office sink
instead of counteracting
terrorist threats?
As for Bush doing well, people said he was
doing a great job handling the matter hours
after the attacks, even though he didn't actually
do anything yet. It was the NYC mayor who was
in charge of the situation there, not Bush. But
it's natural to rally around your president
during a crisis as big as this. The same thing
happened to FDR right after Pearl Harbor. Does
the fact that thousands of people died all of
a sudden make him a great president? No. He's
done things by the book and, of course having
the largest military in the world, it's not
hard to come to the conclusion that we're going
to kick the Taliban's ass. In my opinion, Bush
has made several critical faux pas, most of
which were by his attorney general. His ability
to communicate effectively as a statesman (yes
it is part of your job as president) has been
meager at best and his choice of words an
embarrassment to our country. And I don't think
he has the diplomatic skills to handle the
international coalition in the long term. He's
already done and said a lot of things to piss
off a lot of countries (the war itself is not
one of them - military tribunals, security
council veto, planning to wage war against
Iraq, etc...) and the only reason why other
countries are condoning the US is because we
were victims to a horrific attack. Once the
war in Afghanistan is over, we're going to lose
support and isolated from the world unless
Bush changes his attitude. Of course, I'm sure
\_ While Bush is no Reagan, compared to Gore
hes the fucking Messiah. What are you
an ambassador from a foreign country?
Exactly why are we supposed to care
what socialist euro-trash think? This
argument about pissing off other
countries is ridiculous, yet its
repeated incessantly by the media pukes.
there are csua Republicans here who are
insistent that "other countries" in the world
are irrelevant and that the UN should be
destroyed.
\_ You seem a little upset. Perhaps some
Prozac? I've been waiting for years to
hear exactly why it matters what other
counrties think of us. So let's say Syria
and Gabon and uhm BFE all decide they hate
the U.S. so much they're declaring war.
They pull their ambassadors out and print
bad things about us in their government
run newspapers and on their governement
run tv/radio. Ok. Yeah? So what? And?
Still waiting....
\_ If we cared more about what
other people thought of us, we
might not have had whackos crashing
planes into buildings. That's not
enough reason for you to care about
international relations?
\_ Keep on watching CNN little sheep.
\_ I read the NY Times, not the Drudge
Report. And stop trying to pretend
to be 3 separate people posting
to the motd. I know you posted the
other 2 above.
\_ Nothing wrong with the Drudge
Report. 99% of it is just links to
big media newspapers online. Unless
of course you have a problem with
big media (which you should if
you're smart).
\_ As opposed to selling weapons to foreign powers
to fund a rebellion against another foreign
power?
\_ What's wrong with that? You really don't
see any difference between selling out your
own country and screwing around with some
little banana republic???
\_ Non-sequiteur.
\_ Not at all. Care to try again? Look up
the word "hypocrite" and come back.
\_ And, while we're at it, how to spell
"non sequitur." |
| 2001/12/10 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:23197 Activity:very high |
12/9 Enron's history
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/search/s_7142.html
\_ i can hardly read that article, it's impossible
to have truly unbiased journalism, but that article's
smirking tone is too excessive to take seriously,
there's probably a couple of facts in there, maybe
you could summarize? the pittsburgh tribune is also
owned by the billionaire who has dedicated his fortune
to destroying bill clinton. great, that article is
anonymous!
\_ Do some research on Ron Brown. That'll help. Don't
get me wrong, I think all politicians are crooks,
including many 'conservatives'.
\_ Enron gave $2M to the Republicans in 2000 and 1/4 that to Dems.
http://www.opensecrets.org/industries/contrib.asp?Ind=E01&Cycle=2000
Nice theory, but the facts condradict it.
\_ Oh that's right, Enron's 1990's business deals in China,
Africa, and the Balkans (eg. Croatia) were mediated
by who else, the all powerful then Governor of Texas.
Why go through the Commerce / State department when
you have the state government of Texas at your disposal.
Enron is metaphor for the (Clinton) 90's.
BTW you are right in one respect, the real scandal of
Clinton's administration, campaign contributions
from foreign sources, was not investigated because
both the Dems and Repubs had their hands open.
\_ Except Enron is based in Texas, and was a big energy
company, and in the pocket of the Republican party.
Yeah, except for that, it was exactly like the Clinton
90's!
\_ None of this Rep vs Dem political shit has anything to do with
anything. This is just another poorly run 90's company that was
prepared for good times but not bad times. There's no story here.
It's the same as any dotcom that went under just bigger. Trying
to say it has something to do with Clinton/Bush is just stupid.
\_ Perty much. The questions that linger should focus on how
noone seemed to care that the company was a house of cards
and if anyone is criminally negligent for it. |
| 2001/11/25 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:23099 Activity:high |
11/25 http://www.drudgereport.com/matt.htm for what happened to the Israelis that got picked up. \_ article doesn't mention the 995 other middle easterners who are also detained under similar conditions. \_ So what? That wasn't what someone was asking about a few days ago. We know there's a pile of arab terrorists and sympathisers in prison. Someone wanted to know about the Jews with the cameras. \_ face it. You give the poor uneducated Arabs what they want (land and food) and the next day they will bitch that you should give them more. |
| 2001/11/15 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:23042 Activity:very high |
11/14 Is there a word that describes a body/corporation/government which
claims to abide by the laws but sets the laws and its interpretations
arbitrarily?
\_ Lawful evil.
\_ We call it a 'church'.
\_ Yes, in the Temple of the Supreme Court
\_ Yeah, down with the system, man!
\_ move along, there's nothing to see here, your man lost by
every counting method on the table, get over it.
\_ not to beat a dead horse, ok fine, read this:
http://slate.msn.com//?id=2058603 - danh
\_ Big yawn. The whole Florida election was chock full of
votes that probably should have been counted but weren't
and votes that were counted but shouldn't have. You
can't pick and choose which piles of valid/invalid votes
you'd like to include and ignore all others and then say
"my guy won!".
\_ yes, and i'm still bitter the most powerful man in the
world got elected by statistical margin of error,
and i don't think anything can happen that will change
this, no matter how many "SORE LOSERMAN" t shirts
you throw at me.
\_ But that is what Bush did! Face it man, that election
was well within the standard of error. Bush was
elected by mistake. Literally.
\_ and if Gore got elected it would have been outside
the margin of error? be realistic. it was a close
race, and whoever came out ahead would have had a
statistically insignificant lead. If Gore had won,
that would have been a mistake too. Who cares.
it's over.
\_ Gore is liar and an ego-maniac. Contrary to the media's
best caricature, he is not intellectual - he's
a pro big-government, pro-tax bureaucrat. Just look
at his policy initiatives as VP - they were disasters.
BTW, try to formulate an opinion apart from
parroting the mass media. Why are people in general
so inclined to align themselves with graduates of
journalism school - as if that is a credential to do
anything whatsoever.
\_ politburo
\_ that's paolitburo
\_ paoloburrito |
| 2001/10/23-24 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:22812 Activity:high |
10/23 Bush doesn't have anthrax. good or bad?
"'There's no question that the evildoers are continuing to try to
harm America and Americans', Bush." More talk of evildoers... why
do I feel like our pres is trying to run the country like a
comic book?
http://salon.com/news/wire/2001/10/23/bush/index.html
\_ dude, watch starship troopers. doesn't it remind you of
CNN and other media sources? --jon
\_ Uh yeah, it's always good when your leader has anthrax. Don't be
stupid. As far as "evil doers" goes, would you prefer he called
them "Freedom Fighters" maybe? Or I'm sure you can find a nice,
warm, soft, fuzzy, politically correct and ethnically sensitive
term for mass murderers.
\_ ummm... how about terrorists?
\_ He is trying to make up for "those folks" -- that's how he called
them on the morning of 9/11.
\_ Clearly our head of state with anthrax is bad... get a sense of
humor. Though I would not consider him my "leader". The point
of the "evildoers" comment was regarding diplomacy and maturity,
not "political correctness". Don't be stupid. |
| 2001/10/21-22 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:22790 Activity:very high |
10/21 Mommy, why is Mr. Bush wearing matching pajamas and holding hands with
that short Chinese man?
http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/p/ap/20011020/wl/1003627880china_apec_bush_xvy102.html
\_ thats cuz hes about to go to bed with the chineses.
\_ That was Clinton and Gore, pass tense.
\_ Bush loves China as much as they love him.. very little
But he needs China's support in this "war"
Bush, Sr. was in bed with China long before Clinton admin.
made it a common practice. Many ex-Bush,Sr. appointees
worked on their behalf. No one is honest in politics
\_ Sorry, you're analogy is wrong. The Bushs did
not relax technology export restrictions for
marketing department.
campaign dollars. Clinton's foreign policy
was run from the Commerce Department. Not to
say the Bushs were perfect at all, but compared
to Clinton they are/were angels.
\_ Bush Sr. traded weapons to hostile foreign
power in order to manipulate the American
public and you call them angels? Isn't this
exactly what you accuse Clinton of doing?
\_ I seem to remember something called...
wait, what was it..?? oh thats
right the Cold War. This was to
fight Communism, not line his pockets.
\_ This was to defeat Carter, not fight
Communism. Unless you are you going
to try and claim Carter was a Communist.
Communism. Unless you are going to
try and claim Carter was a Communist.
\_ More evidence Pres. Carter was inept.
He was President for petes sakes,
and had over a year to negotiate
for the release of the hostages.
\_ Was that referring to Irangate?
Didn't that happen long after Carter
was defeated?
\_ "chineses"? Is that anything like "sneezes"?
\_ Jiang is an idiot. Those commies need to learn how to improve their
marketing department. Isn't Jiang from Shanghai, and isn't Shanghai
the most cosmopolitan city in China? Some subordinate need to tell
Jiang he is an idiot.
\_ I heard that Shanghai was once the most cosmo city but not
anymore.
\_ it still is.
\_ Is that where they make all those cool movies?
\_ After watching the TV clip with everyone wearing the "traditional
style silk jackets", I have to say that the jackets made Jiang and
Bush and all the other leaders look like clowns. Don't know whose
stupid idea it was. --- Chinese
\_ Girl, you should be so lucky to be Mr. Jiang's sixth concubine! |
| 2001/10/12-14 [Politics/Domestic/911, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:22715 Activity:nil |
10/12 "Bush Freezes More Terror Assets"
http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/20011012/ts/terrorist_money.html
What's the use of globally freezing $24M, not all of which being
bin Laden's money, when bin Laden personally owns $300M?
\_ Because he isn't carrying it in his wallet and it isn't in a
single Wells Fargo account with his name on it.
\_ Don't you know he keeps it under his mattress. That is
until the taliban completes construction of his money
bin. |
| 2001/9/17 [Politics/Domestic/SocialSecurity, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:36320 Activity:nil |
9/17 http://www.workingforchange.com A more well-rounded perspective than most news sites. \_ Well rounded my ass. 'Here is an idea: tax the rich, and large corporations fairly.' (As if there was such as thing as fair selective taxation). \_ Is one man's right to a Porsche more important than another man's right to eat? Perhaps one thing we could learn from Islam is that we should donate 1/5 of our income towards helping the poor. (Not like Gov't uses that much of our income to do so anyways.) \_ You are always welcomed to donate your income to \_ No one has a _right_ to {food|car|housing}. You have a right to pursue those things in peace, though. Liberals never did understand the concept of rights. \_ Many disagree with you on this, including FDR. \_ You are always welcomed to donate your income towards helping the poor. You don't have to do it through the government. In fact, it is your obligation if you are a Christian. \_ Quote from the article: "Already, there have been reports that CNN's video of celebrating Palestinians is the same tape played during the Gulf War." Has anyone seen any other news source mentioning this? \_ the above was first reported on http://www.indymedia.org but CNN has denied it and I think it has been retracted. one of my more sports fanatical friends noticed the footage had a guy in a tshirt of a football team that didn't even exist during the Gulf War. - danh \_ Good. That T-shirt is solid proof then. \_ Good. That T-shirt is solid proof then. (Unless someone goes as far as saying the whole footage was just acting in a studio.) \_ I'll bet that CNN took the old footage and DIGITALLY PAINTED THAT SHIRT onto an INNOCENT MAN in order to cement their position as the MAN BEHIND THE CURTAIN, PULLING THE LEVERS OF PUBLIC OPINION!!!1!!1!!!! |
| 2001/9/17 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:36319 Activity:nil |
9/17 Many have probably already heard this, but I just found out. Any-
one think it may be possible that they shot down that jet in Penn?
http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1005-200-7197677.html
This article also has a great Bush quote:
"My administration has a job to do...We will rid the world of evil
doers."
\_ I heard this before (probably on the motd), but it seems kind of
unlikely given:
1) there is evidence that the passengers on flight 93 knew about the
previous attacks that day and had planned to retake control of
the airplane. given that there were ~5-6 hijackers, armed only
with knives, I think it's unlikely the passengers failed.
2) there isn't a strong motivation for covering it up. it would
have been good press for quick government response.
\_
\_ http://www.cbsnews.com/now/story/0,1597,311011-412,00.shtml
\_ That reminds me of the movie "Executive Decision" where the
President considered shooting down a hijacked plane.
President considered shooting down a hijacked plane before it
reaches US soil. |
| 2001/9/16 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:22487 Activity:high 75%like:36307 |
9/16 US plans to retaliate against 60 nations:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/americas/newsid_1547000/1547561.stm
\_ Bullshit. That is not the headline of the story and it's not what the
story says. Read it again. |
| 2001/9/13 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:36293 Activity:nil |
9/12 Disgusting
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3ba0108928d9.htm
\ What is so disgusting about that? Liberal media beatnicks have
no clue how to defend a country. Now is the time to arm.
\_ Conservative recklessness with asserting US power in the world
got us into the this mess.
\_ You are 100 % wrong. Who bombed Serbia? Who was held in disdain
by the CIA and FBI? Who bombed an aspirin factory in retaliation
for terrorist attacks? Who emasculated the military and intelligence
agencies? Thats youre answer.
\_ Screw George Bush. You want a man with backbone? Get Rudy
Giuliani. New York lives forever!
\_ Screw George Bush. You impotent Republicans put him in power
because HE WAS THE BEST MAN YOU HAD. Hear the quiver in his voice
as he recites his speeches? What kind of president lacks
leadership so badly that OTHER people HAVE to ASK Americans to
stand behind the president? If he was any kind of leader, we'd
naturally look up to him!
You want a man with backbone? Get Rudy Giuliani. I'm a liberal
yes, but that man has CHARACTER! NEW YORK LIVES FOREVER!i
yes, but that man has CHARACTER! NEW YORK LIVES FOREVER!
\_ yeah Guilani is great man - cheating on his wife, and living
with two fags.
\_ Real patriotic - you should be proud.
\_ Yeah, patriotism will save lives and keep us out of trouble.
Patriotism is the best cure for any ailment.
\_ the best man we had still beat the best man you had. |
| 2001/9/13 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:22427 Activity:high |
9/12 Help, we're allied with Sharon and we can't get out!
\_ A clinton/gore voter no doubt
\_ A cheney/bush supporter of course
\_ http://www.FreeRepublic.com/forum/a3ba03b327f42.htm
\_ A cheney/bush voter of course
\_ conservative rag - what can you say?
\_ That the article is correct, but House
Repubs are also to blame. |
| 2001/9/12 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:36285 Activity:nil |
9/9/12 [ dumb quote from dumb person deleted. it's just bad timing ] 9/9/12 "Today, our nation saw evil, the very worst of human nature. ... America was tar\ geted for attack because we are the brightest beacon for freedom and opportunity\ in the world. No one will keep that light from shining," Bush smirks. |
| 2001/9/12 [Transportation/Airplane, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:22413 Activity:high |
9/12 Evidently there is no circumstances in which the first thought of
a politician isn't isn't "Shit what lies can i make up to keep me
from looking bad" ...
http://us.news2.yimg.com/f/42/31/7m/dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010912/ts/attack_whitehouse_targets_dc_2.html
I assumed i was way too old and jaded to ever say this again, but,
i'm so disgusted.
\_ How can Air Force One be the target? It's a moving object and it's
a big sky up there for a commercial airliner of similar speed to
ram into it. And doesn't a 757 fly slower than a 747?
\_ AF1 was a target while it was sitting on the tarmac. The White
House and/or Camp David might have been a target.
\_ But Bush won't be in the plane when it's stiting on the
tarmac.
\_ There is a window of vulnerability of about 3 to 5
mins after the plane lands he is wisked away in the
limo.
\_ You punch in the coordinates and the computer does the rest.
Its not that hard.
\_ A 757 can be programmed to seek a moving target with changing
coordinates?
\_ You keep repeating this without understanding my point. The
WTC has known gps coordinates. If you give the autopilot
coordinates it will steer the aircraft toward the coordinates.
All the bastards had to do was to disengage the autopilot
a few seconds befor the collision. It takes some training
but its not that hard.
\_ AF1 WAS NOT A TARGET. that's the point. it's all B.S. made up
because Bush was getting criticized for not getting back to D.C.
fast enough to avoid criticism. -top
\_ The article states that af1 and the white house were targets.
Maybe AF1 wasn't a target, but I can believe that the white
house was. Its not made up bs. There are legitimate security
concerns where Secret Service can overrule what the pres.
wants to do.
ram into it. And doesn't a 747 fly faster than a 757? |
| 2001/9/12 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush, Reference/Military, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:22403 Activity:nil |
9/12 Bush to declare war on Jihad. |
| 2001/9/11 [Politics/Domestic/911, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:22386 Activity:high 50%like:23004 |
9/11 check news sources. massive terrorist attacks . nyc and washington.
\_ commercial jets flown into both wtc towers and the pentagon.
world trade center collapsed.
\_ tv just said 2 more planes have been hijacked
\_ One F-16 is already airborne waiting for order. Also another
hijacked plane hit Pittsburg, and anothter at Camp David.
Didn't someone say they should
hijacked plane hit Camp David. Didn't someone say they should
hijacked plane hit Pittsburg. Didn't someone say they should
install anti-aircraft weapons after that propeller plane landed
on the White House lawn a while ago? -- yuen
\_ the white house does.
\_ No warning from The CIA. That lame agency should be overhauled.
\_ NSA handles a much larger fraction of US inteligence operations
and has many times larger budget.
\_ fine, THAT lame agency should be overhauled too then.
\_ NSA handles a much larger fraction of US inteligence operations\
and has many times larger budget.
\_ How do you know they gave no warning?
\_ Well somebody f&%$ed up, now didn't they? --ulysses
\_ so is there still class today?
\_ No.
\_ Yes. Checkout http://www.berkeley.edu
\_ I can't get through to the news sites? Where can I see pictures
of the "collapsed" WTC? I've only see pictures of one tower
smoking. It's not possible for it to topple over just like that
right?
\_ http://www.sky.com/skynews/video
\_ yahoo
\_ thanks to Bush who pours billions of dollars into anti-missile
defense and forgets about intelligence
\_ Nothing has been put into anti-missile defense during the
Bush admin. I understand that you're ignorant and blindly
hate all Republicans but at least base it on something that
looks like a fact instead of whatever you made up in your
little head.
one tower at least partially collapsed.
\_ One F-16 is already airborne.
\_ One F-16 is already airborne waiting for order. -- yuen
hijacked plane hit Camp David. -- yuen
\_ The CIA is so lame. It should be overhauled.
\_ No warning from The CIA. That lame agency should be overhauled. |
| 2001/9/9 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:22357 Activity:high |
9/9 Bush calls Cheney and says, "Please come over here and help me.
I have this killer jigsaw puzzle, and I can't figure out how to
get it started." Cheney asks, "What is it supposed to be when
it's finished?" Bush says, "According to the picture on the box,
it's a tiger."
Cheney decides to go over to Bush's office and help with the
puzzle.
Dubya shows him where he has the puzzle spread all over the
table. Cheney studies the pieces for a moment, then looks at the
box, and then turns to Dubya and says, "First of all, no matter
what we do, we're not going to be able to assemble these pieces
into anything resembling a tiger." "Second, I'd advise you to
relax. Let's have a cup of coffee, then put all these Frosted
Flakes back in the box."
\_ this passes for humor? liberal elitist
\_ perhaps not, but http://bushgrammar.com passes for humor in my book |
| 2001/8/23 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:22217 Activity:high |
8/22 Proof that Bush smokes pot - the so-called "surplus" and his
predicitions of a "quick rebound"
\_ He's doing a great job. The $300 he gave me almost makes up
for the money I lost in the stock market since he took over.
\_ and he named some air force dood to head the military! |
| 2001/8/12 [Politics/Domestic/California/Arnold, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:22088 Activity:nil |
8/12 Look, if you want to troll, you'll have to find a source less
obvious than http://freerepublic.com. |
| 2001/7/24 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Crime, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:21930 Activity:nil |
7/23 Is it just me or does the photo of GW Bush at http://latimes.com have him resembling a chimpanzee? \_ Hey, chimps are good. They are the intellectuals and scientists. Watch out for those Gorillas though. (hint, Charleton Heston and Apes) |
| 2001/7/23 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:21914 Activity:nil |
7/23 Almost everyone I've talked to hates Bush/Chenney, yet "the poll"
shows a 56% approval rating. What's going on?
\_ What's going on is that you are a dumbshit troll. I don't hate
Bush/Chenney. Most republicans don't hate Bush/Chenney. Your
original premise is wrong.
\_ You are probably talking to commie socialist liberal wacko eco
nut idiot simps rather than normal decent americans. Most of
the people in this country like Bush/Chenney.
\_ no it's not. it's horrible!
\_ What's going on is that you're selecting a biased group instead of a
random sample of the population. |
| 2001/7/19 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:21858 Activity:high |
7/19 Headline: "Jenna Bush's federally protected wetlands now
open for public drilling"
\_ in the onion two, three weeks ago? oh, DO please keep us
posted on what you discover next.
\_ Jenna Bush, future porn star
\_ Yeah, but wouldn't she haveta get a new stage name considering
Jenna's already the name of a famous porn star?
\_ Yeah, but wouldn't she have to get a new stage name
considering Jenna's already the name of a famous porn
star?
\_ You mean Jenna Jameson?
\_ which one is she?
\_ Shorter hair (up to shoulder)
\_ Jenna Bush's "wetland" now open for public "drilling"? Wow!
\_ oh boy you got the joke. have a cookie. |
| 2001/7/11 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:21761 Activity:nil |
7/11 I hate Texas and Bush! Long live Davis!
<DEAD>quicken.excite.com/investments/news/story/djbn<DEAD>
?story=/news/stories/dj/20010710/BT20010710005436.htm&symbol=PCG
\_ This is a very good arguement for nationalizing the power industry. |
| 2001/7/6 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:21725 Activity:high |
7/5 The U.N. is your friend.
http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=23510
\_ I cannot believe that any rational patriotic american
would wish to abandon the principles of the revolution
and the constitution for UN lead global government.
The first thing we need to do is to get that shitty
organization of american soil and then we need to see
how well they can survive without our money. And the
only way the UN is going to get my guns is to pry them
from my cold dead hands!
\_ yes! we must sotop soil from organizing! an organization
of American soil could be devastating for aggriculture in this
nation!! ...or did you mean "off american soil?"
\_ It's a joke son. |
| 2001/6/4 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:21421 Activity:nil |
6/02 Calling all rice bois: http://www.infatuasian.com |
| 2001/5/24 [Politics/Domestic/California/Arnold, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:21340 Activity:nil |
5/23 A well-reasoned argument about why socialist economists are silly.
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a394ac341016e.htm
\_ a well-reasoned argument from http://freerepublic.com? not bloody likely
\_ Changing what someone else wrote and then responding to it is
not impressive. --Galen (!top)
\_ He didn't change anything. -- top
\_ Yes he did. (I changed it back.) --Galen
\_ this is the liberal mentality, suppress free speech
and replace with what you believe is right. fucken commie bitch
\_ Wow you must be a fast reader.
\_ So without reading the article you entirely dismiss everything it
might say because of where it was posted? Okey dokey! |
| 2001/5/12-14 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:21259 Activity:insanely high |
5/12 Douglas Adams, 2001.
\_ We take eighteen ounces of sizzling ground beef, and soak it in rich,
creamery butter, then we top it off with bacon, ham, and a fried egg.
We call it the Good Morning Burger.
\_ Hopefully now he'll now know the Question to the Answer of Life, the
Universe, and Everything... Rest well dude...
\_ damnit why don't people like Rush Limbaugh, William Shatner,
Jesse Helms, and other schmucks die instead?!?!?
\_ Damn it why don't the schmucks in the ACLU, the Sierra Club,
Green Peace, NOW, the Green and Democratic parties die
instead?!? The world would be a *much* better place without
them.
\_ If you were God, who would YOU rather have in the afterlife
with you? That's why....
\_ There is no God. There is no afterlife.
\_ There is a God, but there is no afterlife for most
people (due to the simple fact that they have nothing
with which to survive death).
\_ There is a God, but there is not "afterlife". If
you attain "salvation" its all over, otherwise you
keep coming back until you attain "salvation".
One attains salvation when one's karma == 0.
Its very difficult.
\_ I would *love* to have good decent people, such as those
you mention, they believe in freedom and democracy and
\_ Whatever you think of the Bush family doesn't excuse the
entire state of Massachusetts for turning a clan of rapist
the american way.
entire country would be a better place if a Kennedy
specific virus was developred and released.
\_ Uhm, I think "schmuck" is a gross understatement.
\_ They're like a virus, cancer, or lawn weed. You can poison
them all you want and they'll never go away, wreaking havoc
on anything good.
\_ Yeah, imagine that, people who believe in the U.S.
Constitution. What a bunch of fucks! I hate that, too.
\_ Nobody wants to hear the non-sensical ravings of a
loud-mouth malcontent.
To: linden@Eng
\_ but that's what the motd is all about.
\_ They do.
\_ Sometimes they need to be helped.
\_ Oh hey that was almost witty.
\_ oooh. That was a burn, man. You sure showed him.
From: adamsd@CERF.NET (Douglas Adams)
Subject: Re: UL prototype...
Cc: dan.mckinnon@canrem.com (Dan Mckinnon) content-length: 3385
> Mr. Adams, I wonder if you would care to post a comment in
>alt.folklore.urban in response to Peter's comments. He probably doesn't
>know you are "into" computers, music, graphics, world wildlife, and so
>on.
>
> Dan.mckinnon@canrem.com
>
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>PVDL>From: Jym Dyer <jym@remarque.berkeley.edu>
>PVDL>> Douglas Adams maintains that the similar incident (which
>PVDL>> he wrote with Arthur Dent as the protagonist) was based on
>PVDL>> something that actually happened to him!
Yes it did. It happened to me on Cambridge station in the summer of 1976. A
couple of years later I told the story on the radio, and then subsequently
began to come across all sorts of variations of the story cropping up all over
the place. I don't really care whether you believe me or not. I'm simply
relating what occurred. If you are predisposed to believe - on no evidence -
that I am a liar, there's not a lot I can do about that.
>
>PVDL>There are 2 (two) more hallmarks of an urban legend:
>PVDL> 1. In retelling the tale, the speaker always claimed it
>PVDL> happened to him, or a friend of his.
>PVDL> 2. The speaker will not be budged from this claim, and
>PVDL> if challenged, becomes more adamant.
So how would you distinguish this from someone who was telling the truth? If
you say that I'm a lemon and I deny that I'm a lemon and you then say that
it's characteristic of people who are lemons to deny that they are lemons
there's not a lot further we can go is there?
>
>PVDL>In the final analysis, it doesn't matter whether Douglas Adams is
>PVDL>big enough to say that the incident stems from something he heard
>PVDL>rather than something he felt:
How do you kow this? Do you have access to some part of my mind that I don't?
>PVDL>On the other hand, you're posting on the Internet, and Adams wouldn't
>PVDL>know Internet from an alt.sewer.
I do know about the InterNet. Presumably the fact that I'm saying this will
only confirm to you that I know nothing at all about it. I would say that
wouldn't I? Ah. Perhaps I'm an imposter. Why don't you ask me if I am? If I
deny it that will prove that I am because that's what imposters always do.
>
>PVDL> Peter "thought the Hitch-Hiker's Guide was a good idea taken
>PVDL> a long way too far. It's been a book, a radio show, a
>PVDL> tv show, a play, an opera... about the only artform that
>PVDL> it hasn't been is a tapestry, and there's probably someone
>PVDL> working on it now" vdL.
The Hitch Hiker's Guide has not been an opera. It has however been a tapestry,
if you count a woven bath towel as a tapestry. Careful with your facts. That's
how myths start.
\_ Get over it. One could easily ask why the Bush clan scum are
still around. How many rapes and murders does it take? Oh yeah,
they're ultra dumb crack-smoking fascist so it's all ok.
\_ Get over it. One could easily ask why the Kennedy clan scum are
still around. How many rapes and murders does it take? Oh yeah,
they're ultra leftist so it's all ok.
\_ Don't mock the Kennedy's. The Kennedy's can kick the Bush's
ass and their "compassionativity" any day.
\_ Whatever you think of the Kennedy family doesn't excuse the
entire state of Texas for turning a clan of rapists and
murderers into heros. And I wasn't mocking them. The
entire country would be a better place if a Bush
specific virus was developed and released.
\_ At least the Bush clan believes in freedom, progress
and prosperity, unlike the Kennedy's who want to keep
us all in miserable poverty and servitude (to them)
for the rest of humanity.
\_ How many Kennedys are ALREADY dead? Ever study them? Tragedy
everywhere.
\_ Not enough. Not nearly enough.
\_ Who is "linden@Eng?
\_ he's just this guy, you know?
\_ I think it's Peter van der Linden at Sun, author of Just Java
and Deep C Secrets.
\_ yes it is. -alexf
\_ You are right they breed way too fast.
\_ this rules, you guys can even turn the death of a great
author into a flame war. carry on.
\_ "Great author"? *pshaw* hardly.
\_ then why'd you read all his books then?
\_ Who asked you? No one needs your permission to have a flame
fest. |
| 2001/5/12 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:21247 Activity:nil |
5/12 http://www.insightmag.com/archive/200106047.shtml Blue team? Red team? It all sounds racist to me. GWB is hiring these guys by the bucket. |
| 2001/4/30-5/1 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:21142 Activity:insanely high 66%like:21883 |
4/30 Motd poll: Do you smoke cigarettes?
yes
yes, unfortunately ..
no .....
no, unfortunately .
\_ Related poll: Do you smoke pot?
yes .
no ..
\_ I never inhaled!
\_ Neither did I Mr. President. - Monica
no, but sat around a bunch of people smoking pot all night long ..
not anymore .
\_ What would be interesting is to see a comparison of income vs.
drug use for same/similar major and GPA.
\_ Dubya makes tons of money and he used to snort coke.
\_ $200k/year isn't tons of money and the coke story was
rumor. Gimme the URL that quotes anyone anywhere saying
they got stoned with GWB or saw him do lines or whatever.
And no, sticking it on your own website doesn't count,
smart ass.
\_ he made millions selling an interest
in the state funded Texas Rangers
\_ Its $400K a year for the president these days.
\_ No. It isn't. Dumbshit.
\_ No its $400K:
http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1999/07/16/presidential.salary
\_ This is only a bill. Where's the part
that says it was passed and signed into
law by Clinton? We still have laws in
this country, one of them says the
President must sign the final bill for a
new law to take effect.
\_ Its $390K actually:
http://usgovinfo.about.com/newsissues/usgovinfo/library/weekly/aa012101a.htm
\_ thank you for posting a real link
with reasonable info instead of
more noise about unsigned bills.
\_ Former oil men tend to make more from investments than
than from salary. Try $894,880.
\_ No fair, I wanted to stick it on my web site, http://cnn.com.
- Ted Turner
\_ *laugh* Sure, Ted, I'd love to see it on http://cnn.com.
You're exempt from this rule as long as you pay
off our U.N. "debt" with personal wealth. |
| 2001/4/27 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:21117 Activity:nil |
4/27 Which Bush daughter is the lesbian?
\_ The straightforward application of Murphy's Law implies that
it is the prettier one.
\_ It's Cheney's daughter that is the lesbian. |
| 2001/2/26 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:20702 Activity:nil |
2/26 Miami Herald reports Gore would've lost anyway with a full troll manual recount: http://www.miami.com/herald/special/news/flacount troll \_ I was going to post that. Damn it. I'm going to post it anyway: http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/2001-02-25-recount.htm troll \_ Your corporate masters have spoken. Go back to sleep. Democracy is safe in our hands. troll \_ Uh huh... and if they said something different, you'd be the first screaming for GWB to resign. \_ No, I voted for Nader. The Republicrats are all scum. troll \_ Oh Yeah. "Let Every Vote Count!" Bush should've let it happen, and then said to Gore "Looser!". We all knew Gore lost. troll \_ You mean let DNC shills steal it? And the word is "loser", not "looser". "looser" is yermom. Went to a diverse school, did you? |
| 2001/2/26 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:20697 Activity:high |
2/26 Miami Herald reports Gore would've lost anyway with a full
manual recount: http://www.miami.com/herald/special/news/flacount
\_ I was going to post that. Damn it. I'm going to post it anyway:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/2001-02-25-recount.htm
\_ Your corporate masters have spoken. Go back to sleep. Democracy
is safe in our hands.
\_ Uh huh... and if they said something different, you'd be the
first screaming for GWB to resign.
\_ Oh Yeah. "Let Every Vote Count!" Bush should've let it happen,
and then said to Gore "Looser!". We all knew Gore lost.
\_ You mean let DNC shills steal it? And the word is "loser",
not "looser". "looser" is yermom. Went to a diverse school,
did you? |
| 2001/2/23 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:20654 Activity:nil |
2/22 Bush = Oligarchy
\_ Oh, and the president was arrested for murder. More and
that tomorrow night. Or you can turn to another channel.
\_ Oligarchial, hedgemonic plutocracy if you want to be
specific.
\_ hegemonic, even |
| 2001/1/30 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:20475 Activity:nil |
1/30 bush's self-fulfilling recession has just begun. |
| 2001/1/25 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:20432 Activity:nil |
1/25 bush is a moron. lets see how long it will take for the
motd gestapos to censor this.
\_ can I just say I'm sick of political bashing. If you
have a specific issue that isn't an emotional vent,
post it. Otherwise keep yer political judgements to
yourself. -Lifelong Berkeley Liberal who wants
everyone to rise above it.
\_ I pity you.
\_ I'd hope the Liberals can
rise above it, because the
conservatives obviously can't. |
| 2001/1/25 [Reference/Tax, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:20428 Activity:very high |
1/24 "'I think the evidence is going to become more and more clear that the
economy is not as hopeful as we would like, which I hope will strengthen
my case (for a tax cut)," Bush told reporters at the start of the
meeting."
\_ I read an interesting discussion on why simplistic view
of economics is fundamentally flawed. What if the
economy was in a boom cycle? Does that mean the
reverse is true, that it's time for a tax hike?
How would Bush explain this one?
\_ It means the economy is doing well _despite_ higher
taxes. Taxes, fees, and regulations hinder economic
growth. The right idea is to set tax levels and other
regulations at a high enough level to maintain infra-
structure, run the government, do some social welfare,
and keep the water drinkable, while limited economic
impact as much as possible. It's a delicate balancing
act. There is no good time for a tax hike, economically
speaking. Taxes are a relatively new concept compared
to economics over the course of human history.
\_ What are you talking about? The Romans had
taxes. Is 2000 years relatively new?
\_ Yes. And would you point to a dead and failed
mess like Rome that collapsed under it's own
weight and mismanagement, not outside influences
as a successful way to run a nation? Yes, the
Romans got beat on by various 'barbarians', but
taking a step back, it was their own fault they
got pounded. It didn't have to be that way.
\_ You dumb, he wasing arguing for the Roman
system or a tax system. His point was that
2000 years isn't new. Besides, how do you
foresee the US isn't going to collapse under
its own weight and mismanagement?
\_ And the Chinese had taxes 4000 years ago too.
\_ As well as a slave-based economy, massive
inflation, and not much of a trade deficit,
compared to the US. -John
\_ And they drank from lead cups, wore togas,
and had cool parties.
\- The Romans certainly did it "their way" --psb
"... a capital levy often defeats its own
purpose. The return was at once seen to be
disappointing. From virtue or from caution,
men refused to purchase estates as they came
on the market. Money soared in value.
The Triumvirs then imposed a levy on the
posession of opulent females, arousing
indignant protest ... other taxes, novel and
crushing, were invented ..."
--Sir Ronald Syme, The Roman Revolution, Book XIV. |
| 2001/1/25-26 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:20426 Activity:nil |
1/24 The young left comments on GWB online:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A53300-2001Jan12.html |
| 2001/1/24 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:20414 Activity:very high |
1/22 BUSH SR: Well, did you meet George?
ADMISSIONS OFFICER: Oh, yes. He made light of my weight problem,
then suggested my motto be "semper fudge." At that point, he told
me to relax
BUSH SR: How were his test scores?
ADMISSIONS OFFICER: Let's just say this: he spelled "Yale" with a six.
BUSH SR: I see. Well, I -- ooh, you know, I just remembered, it's
time for my annual donation. I wonder how much I should give.
ADMISSIONS OFFICER: Well, frankly, test scores like George's would
call for a very generous contribution. For example, a score of 400
would require a donation of new football uniforms, 300, a new
dormitory, and in George's case, we would need an international
airport.
ADMISSIONS OFFICER: Yale could use an international airport, Mr.
Bush -- Then maybe a stock exchange market.
\_ http://www.snpp.com/episodes/4F05.html
for those who don't get the reference.
\_ Bush, Jr: At this rate I probably won't even get into Vassar!
\_ BUSH SR: I've had just about enough of your Vassar-bashing,
young lady!...er..sir!
\_ Yawn... don't surprise us... you voted for the two time college
drop out because he's so smart, right? But I'm sure that wasn't
reaaaaally like flunking out, he, uh, decided to go serve his
country or something, instead, right? You'll "get it" one day,
but that day obviously hasn't arrived yet.
\_ he's not just mocking bush, he's mocking the yale addmissions
office, which richly deserves it. If you are from an influential
family or have a desired athletic talent, yale will let undergads
in pretty much automatically.
\_ And at what private school is this not true? Even Cal does
this although they don't say so in the catalog. :-)
\_ I thought Cal let you in based on the results of a
\_ I thought Cal lets you in based on the results of a
random number generator.
\_ yes. it's called the SAT. |
| 2001/1/22 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:20398 Activity:low |
1/21 Rate the Gore daughters vs. the Bush Daughters (regardless of
your political affiliation).
\_ No |
| 2001/1/22 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:20397 Activity:moderate |
1/21 First-twin Jenna secures her dress(rating 2): http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/p/ap/20010120/us/inaugural_balls_0t9.html http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/p/ap/20010120/us/inaugural_balls_9ek.html \_ Wow. Finally a nice piece of ass in the WH. Soooo tired of seeing Chelsea's ugly face. \_ the devil is always attractive \_ the lecher \_ wow. Jenna bush can like do me. \_ scratch that I just saw a picture of Barbara Bush II (bushtwins.twinstuff.com) she's a yale biotch. 19. \_ I prefer that you not refer to Clown College that way. \_ They're twins? \_ yeah, the kind that don't look like each other. fraternal, not identical. \_ Hey, they're better than Chelsea. I'll do 'em. \_ So when do we see "The Bush twins" in playboy? I mean, with a name like that, how could they not? \_ fortunately, they're shaved! |
| 2001/1/21 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:20393 Activity:nil |
1/20 Daughter Bush almost flashes national audience.
\_ urlP?
\_ I never understood this xxxP thing. What the heck is that P?
\_ Insufficient lisp. Mine more lisp. |
| 2000/12/30 [Reference/Tax, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:20196 Activity:moderate 75%like:20190 |
12/27 Bush is a machine. -mogul
\_ The smart one or the dumb one?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A52767-2000Dec26.html
\_ Bush won. Get over it and enjoy the lower taxes.
\_ No new taxes this time?
\_ He never asked you to read his lips.
\_ He's from Texas. Texas is an anagram of taxes.
\_ Yup. Having learned not to trust the Democrats, that
mistake won't be made twice. Never deal with people who
put party politics above nation. Less than 22 full days
left and counting down. Still looking for a legacy. I
think peace in the middle east is a good one. |
| 2000/12/28 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:20190 Activity:nil 75%like:20196 |
12/27 Bush is a machine. -mogul
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A52767-2000Dec26.html |
| 2000/12/25-27 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush, Uncategorized/Profanity] UID:20171 Activity:moderate |
12/25 In 1555, Nostradamus wrote:
"Come the millennium, month 12,
In the home of greatest power,
The village idiot will come forth
To be acclaimed the leader."
\_ I assume you're not so stupid as to be refering to the man
who will take office on the first month of the new millenium?
\_ He may not be the sharpest spoon in the drawer but at
least he's...oh fuck we're screwed.
\_ ever considered that this might be a hoax?
\_ it's stupid. this is not the sort of shit nostradamus
would write. besides, there are no dates in Centuries. -ali
\_ You actually read the shit nostradamus wrote?
\_ If this was real, at least it would probably be written as
"... month twelfth, ...".
\_ Bush won. Get over it. Move on with your life.
\_ The Republicans lied, cheated, incited to riot, and
undermined the foundations of democracy. Now we're
supposed to "get over it"? Fuck that. |
| 2000/12/23-27 [Science/Disaster, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush, Computer/Theory] UID:20165 Activity:nil |
12/22 Is the math instructor "Hurricane" Wu mentioned below the same
as the famed but controversial human right activist Harry (Hongda) Wu?
I heard the latter once was at Berkeley.
\_ yes
\_ no
\_ No. Prof. Wu from the math dept. isn't human and therefore has
no interest in human rights.
\_ Harry aka Hurricane used to work at Los Alamos until he was fired
for mishandling his tapes.
\_ Same Wu? The Joy of Lecturing by H. Wu
http://www.math.berkeley.edu/~wu/lecture.pdf
\_ The last man on the planet to write about better teaching. |
| 2000/12/18 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:20120 Activity:very high |
12/17 http://www.aagen.org/hottopics/state/usatoday_991229.htm Screw Bush and his token African-Americans. Clinton clearly had a more diverse group of higher talented people without tokenizing any minorities. \_ You shouldn't wish ill fame on the president, even if what you do say is true. I'm sure part of Bush's intentions are PR as opposed to Clinton who just like having women around. :) The one thing I didn't like about when Clinton took office is that the Republicans in power immediately went to work at destroying the president's reputation at all costs. It's not very productive to treat politics as a religious war which is probably why Bush and Gore said what they said. Having said that, it's going to be another 4 years whether or not you voted for the president in office and the country will survive another 4 years whether or not you think so. So probably the best and most patriotic thinig to do is to support the new presidency even if you are a Democrat. -Gore supporter if you are a Democrat. Wouldn't you rather see the country prosper than to prove that Bush is an idiot?-Gore supporter \_ if bush hires a group of minorities, and they all stand in a circle, does that make them a token ring? \_ so each person can only talk to the president by passing the message the the person next to him/her? what if the link breaks? i say, bush should use an ethernet. \_ Yes, a token ring. You'd be lucky to get 1bps over it though. |
| 2000/12/13-14 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:20091 Activity:insanely high |
12/12 Supreme Court rules for Bush, 5-4.
/- I've re-worded it, ya crazy sodan:
| Of the seven justices that felt there were constitutional
| problems, two did not feel these problems warranted a halt
| to the recount. Hence, the 5-4 vote.
\_ This isn't true no matter how you word it. Try again
and this time use something other than jesse jackson's
website as an info source.
\_ Dewd. You are sick.
\_ 7-2 agreed that there were problems with the Equal protection
clause.
\_ 7-2 agreed that there were constitutional problems with what has
been going down in Florida.
\_ They agreed that there was not a consistant way to hand count
votes (ie. the different chads) because of that, there would
be a question of equal protection under the law. There is no
law of what a vaild vote is in Florida, except that it is
determined they the Secretary of State. The problem lies in
that there is disagreement of whether or not the Supreme Court
should have interferred at this point in the process. Bush
wins by litigation.
\_ Bush wins by having more votes. Thank you for playing.
\_ Gore had more votes...don't be silly. Not even the
Republican lawyers are suggesting the Bush actually
received more votes. Congrats on preventing the
recount in Florida while getting one in New Mexico.
\_ New Mex. recount was automatic, not requested
AFAIK. And AL could have cheated his way to
more votes, not quite the same has getting more
votes on election day. Spare me your whimpering
about under votes, etc. If you really care
about your vote, you would make *SURE* that
you punched the ballot all the way through.
If you can't even bother to do that, your vote
deserves to be discarded.
\_ Stop using the "F" word! _F_acts offend the
mindless ultra left. Yes, NM was an automatic
recount just like the machine recount in FL,
and the automatic recount triggered in Oregon
in the Senate race. Bush had more votes.
\_ url?
\_ If you didn't notice the other recount, you aren't
really interested (If you have to ask, you don't
already know)
\_ uh, Florida did get a recount. The count was
certified, Gore went to the lawyers, yadda yadda yadda.
\- bush wins by delay of game. penalty 150 votes. --psb
\_ stupid republican comment deleted
\_ COMMIE CENSORS CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!
\_ Poor babies. For the poor ultra leftist
clowns who can't deal with the truth I
essentially said that Bush won every vote,
and count and recount using the most stupid
rules invented by Gore's Demo buddies with
ballots manually counted by Gore's Demo
buddies and at no point despite this
travesty of justice was Gore ever ahead in
Florida. Good bye Mr. Gore. Nice speech.
Hopefully your last public speech ever.
\_ and Gore WASN'T trying to? the votes were recounted, the
count was certified, Gore went to the lawyers, yadda yadda
yadda.
\_ The Republicans hand recounted their districts then
denied the Dems the same right. And got away with it,
it turns out. Face it, your man stole the election.
\_ url?
\_ It does not exists, because it did not happen.
The GOP did not recount any district by hand.
\_ Hello? Volusia? Broward? Only the most heavily 20%
Democratic areas in Miami-Dade? Al Gore did his best
to steal it and got beaten down like the mad dog he is.
If I wanted spin and lies I could turn on CNN or MSNBC.
They do it better than you do and shower more often.
\_ I agree that the Republicans "stole the election".
The Republican strategy was to not count all legal
votes, especially legal votes that could go to Gore.
I often had the impression that they were rushing
the election to a close. Not to say that the Democrats
were entirely fair, but the Republicans didn't want
to play ball and go ahead with a statewide recount
(probably those slippery, pro-Gore liberal counters),
so the Democrats were forced to pursue recounts in
only liberal-heavy counties.
I do not agree with the Republican propaganda that
valid recounts had been repeated thrice. I believe
Gore's assertion that not all legal votes were
counted.
\_ Grow up, child. Gore could've requested a statewide
recount but instead chose 3 or 4 cherry picked Demo
areas where he thought he could scum up a few more
improperly cast votes by "diving the will" through
his political surrogates.
\_ Yeah, I bet you believe that AL created the
internet too. All the votes that were correctly
voted were counted by the machine. Hand recounts
amounted to guessing which ballots when to Al by
people who want him to win. If some stupid fool
in FL can't be bothered to check his/her ballot
then they don't deserve to have a say.
I disagree, too, with the assertion that "the
Democrats would have resorted to the same stalling
tactics if they had the lead." In this case, if
the Republicans asked for a statewide recount,
the Democrats would have accepted. This coincides
with the general principle that Democrats are good
(know what's going on) and Republicans are evil
(are misinformed).
\_ And you base this on what? Your leftist mindwashing
on campus from your drooling babbling communist
profs? WAKE UP! COFFEE IS READY!
\_ Republicans didn't steal anything. The won fair
and square under the laws as they existed on
election day (ever hear of ex posto facto?).
\_ Hey dumbshit. No laws were made by Al Gore.
In case you're too stupid to figure it out
he doesn't have the power. Figure out what
the hell "ex post facto" means before you
blab it out on the motd. It is within the
FL supreme court to interpret existing laws.
\_ 'after the fact', extending the recounts
past the original legislative deadline
was illegal. The courts can interpret
the law, they don't make it and they
shouldn't break it as the FL Supereme
Court did. Fortunately the US Supreme
Court has the wisdom to stop their
activisim.
GWB was ahead in the initial count, the machine
recount and every other count (despite challenges
to military ballots).
AL's plan for a statewide recount by his vote
counters would have amounted to a coup d'etat,
subverting the laws in order to win.
Furthermore, the GOP did not ask for a recount
in states where GWB lost by similar margins. If
FL had gone to ALGOR by 500 votes, GWB would have
conceeded and AL would be Pres. Elect. Only a
Democrat would have the gaul to act as AL has.
His behavior only serves to reinforce the general
principle that Democrats/Liberals == EVIL COMMIES
and the GOP == the good guys. Only Jefferson and
\_ I take it
you never
took US
history?
Let me rephrase, Jeffersonian _/
principles are good, Jefferson
the man made many scary mistakes.
Very few democrats even have principles,
so Jefferson is a decent one in
my book.
Truman have ever been able to transend this
principle.
[ Possibly unfair characterization of a liberal
removed by author. ]
\_ You make a good argument, but I'll have to
look at Rehnquist/Scalia/Thomas' opinion
in the Supreme Court case. I think their
reasons for voting "no-recounts" are
substantively different than yours.
\_ Yes. As I understand it they said no
recounts because of two reasons. First,
the choice of electors belongs to the leg.
branch not the jud. branch according to the
constitution. Second, partial recounts w/o
standards violates equal protection under
the 14th amendment (as I recall).
I'm basically saying that what AL did was
not the right or proper thing to do for
a gentleman and a president.
\_ they gave up b/c it was going to
be "too big a mess." what a cop-out.
\_ You went to the Jesse Jackson School
Of Logic. I can tell.
\_ I'm not sure you're right about the
first part and will have to check.
The second part would suggest that
if the state court a) extended the
deadline to the 17th and b) more precisely
explained how re-counts would be conducted,
and explain how it would not be a violation
of equal protection -- if the state court
did both of these things, the U.S.
Supreme Court would have let the recount
go on.
\_ They extended to the 26th. Not 17th.
\_ Yes, that is correct. Despite the
democratic cries of a partisan Supreme
Court, a timely recount with a statewide
standard would have been allowed. This
seems so obvious that I find it puzzling
that the Democrats didn't push for it.
The only explanation I see is that they
really were fishing for votes.
\_ I don't know what it's like to be
a liberal Florida Supreme Court
justice, but it looks like what
happened is that four justices
produced a hasty, poorly thought-out
decision, in order to meet a Dec 12
safe harbor date. |
| 2000/12/10 [Politics/Foreign, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:20059 Activity:high |
12/8 Welcome to the United States of Texas. All hail Emporor Bush.
\_ Your spelling proficency is quite awe inspireing.
\_ That's how Bush would have wanted it spelled.
\_ 4 years from now there will be absolutely no
difference no matter who's in office: the country
is run by bickering idiots who can't get anything done,
who care more about their own pockets and party
politics than public welfare or the well being of
the greater country and world about them.
\_ Well, if you had supported someone else
during the primaries we wouldn't have had a fucking
idiot like Bush or someone as off-the-wall as
Gore running against each other. |
| 2000/11/30 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush, Finance/Investment] UID:19958 Activity:nil |
11/30 How the fuck can the stock market go any lower? All my holdings
have P/E ratios of 10. Fuck.
\_ That's because our economy is dictated by idiot investors,
brokers, what not... why graduated from a business majors
and base things on arbitrary rules. The economy doesn't work
logically. It works based on whay idiots tell us to think.
\_ What are they. I wanna buy some.
\_ At last prices consistent with reasonable ideas of valuation.
\_ shut up, nweaver.
\_ Thank Mr. Gore.
\_ it's absurd to blame the market problems on the election.
The market is down because dozens of major players have
missed expectations and warned of difficult conditions
ahead. -tom
\_ Hey Tom. What are you gonna say when the market will
bounce once this bullshit is over?
\_ tom will say that the market will bounce once Bush
is sent packing back to texas. No bias there.
\_ I actually don't think the market's gyrations are
affected much one way or the other by who the
president is or isn't. It will bounce back when
companies start reporting good earnings again. -tom
\_ Several companies have good earnings, yet they
are down, way down. Why? Major Investors are
spooked by ALGOR's reluctance to adhere to the
rule of law.
\_ Uh, Cisco, Sun are down because they missed expectations?
No. They are down because investors are worried that ALGOR
will somehow succeeed in stealing the election and become
Pres. Gore is bad for the country and major investors know
it, that's why they are pulling out. If Bush becomes Pres.
(the office which is rightfully his under the constitution)
the market will go back up as major investors will begin to
reinvest.
\_ Is that why all those tech CEO's pledged $$ to Al Gore?
\_ major investors (institutional) != tech CEO's.
major investors == mutual funds, brokerages, banks
And not all tech CEO's were nimrod ALGOR supporters,
Chambers, McNeely, Dell, made the right choice and
backed Bush.
\_ You ain't seen nothin' yet. - Al
\_ I'm sorry. You must be a Gore imposter. Everyone knows he
would instead say "You... have... not... seen... anything...
... ... yet."
\_ Al is not only the inventor of the internet, but also
an 3113T H@XOR. He's probably posting from his R00T SH311! |
| 2000/11/27-28 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush, Computer/Networking] UID:19923 Activity:moderate |
11/27 What is a WINS server? I'm looking on Microsoft's site and it appears
to just be a DHCP server. Except Microsoft says it developed both
DHCP and WINS and has submitted them to be new official computer
standards. Does WINS also do SAMBA type stuff?
\_ Microsoft invented everything. And once we can get Bush 2.0
finally installed in office, we can get rid of this anti-trust
suit so every computer-term can be re-named back to it's
rightful owner: Bill Gates. Then we can start paving the Bay to
reduce my commute-time, cutting down the trees to make room
for more housing, and removing these high gasoline taxes.
\_ My aren't we hostile. No one can be sure if Bush will
a republican but by a Democrat.
go easy on M$. Many felt that RWR would stop the AT&T
breakup but he pushed harder than the Carter Admin. to
complete it. Bush may also do the same. Gore may not
(several members of his family work for M$).
Now as for the rest of your rant, if you are so enamoured
on "nature" and the "environment" why don't you log off
and leave civilization and go live in the forest as
primitive man did.
\_ Well, everything except the internet, which was invented not by
a Republican but by a Democrat.
\_ Microsoft invented DNS too. It's called Digital Nervous System.
\_ Microsoft also created DNA. Distributed interNet Architecture.
DNA is the precursor to .NET.
\_ A WINS server is Microsoft's pre-DNS MS-only idea of how to do
name <-> IP resolution. It's pretty brain dead. If you have some
specific questions, post again and I'll do my best. |
| 2000/11/19 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:19853 Activity:nil |
11/19 Daley isn't going to last a week once he gets back to Chicago.
WPB: Bush+12 with 20% counted. Broward: Gore+57 with 33% counted.
At least he'll still get to vote after they bury him. |
| 2000/11/17 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:19831 Activity:nil |
11/16 If Gore wins, 30 states will succeed from the union
\_ California shouldn't need this election as an excuse to cecede
(yes it's "cecede" troll) from the union. We have all the good
\_ Try "secede" you loser spelling-god wannabe.
stuff. Without the United States we would have the 6th (new
figures?) largest economy in the WORLD. Think about it. It's a
good plan.
\_ Hi troll. This is the dumbest thing posted on the motd in at least
6 months.
\_ I would hope all 50 would.
\_ Bush supporters also tend
to have the same level of
vocabulary as Bush himself.
\_ Typical leftist. If you can't
win, smear, smear, smear. They
\_ smear? You dumbshit. Everyone
knows Bush is a crack smoking
idiot. Even Republicans
know that. Even his dad. It
has nothing to do with who
wins this damn election. The
guy can't say an English
sentence without fucking up.
\_ So, the ends justifies the
means? It's ok to steal
the election is the end
result is what you want?
Wow... how naive of me to
think The Will Of The
People still mattered....
\_ The Republicans stole
the election by hand
counting ballots in
Republican majority
counties then refusing
the Dems the same right.
voted, Bush won. They recounted,
Bush won. They're in court now,
Bush is winning there, too.
The recounts aren't _creating_
enough new Gore votes to change
anything. Bush won. The
overseas votes are 5:3 (R)
voters, Bush won. Give it up.
You've been in the Bay Area too
long. Even my coworkers who
voted Gore are saying he lost
and should give it up.
\_ The Republicans stole the
election, not Gore.
\_ Err ... I also think Gore
should give up, but that
doesn't mean I should like
Bush Jr., or have any
confidence in his vocabulary.
\_ This isn't about GPA's,
even though Bush's GPA
was higher. It's about
stealing the election
through the courts with
PR blitz assistance from
the slanted press.
\_ Then they will be rogue states. Hope they can defend themselves.
\_ good riddance
\_ So if 30 succeed, will the other 20 (not incl PR and DC) fail?
\_ I'd like Gore to take a road trip from East to West Coast.
I dare him to try to find a path through Democratic States.
He won't be able to without being forced to cross through
Republican country (can't leave the U.S. borders, of course).
\_ Who cares? They're a bunch of gun hugging hicks who marry
their cousins.
\_ We leftist call that "fly over country". Driving is for
plebes.
\_ This must be a troll. Republicans know better than to call for
secession based on the results of an election; we value the laws
of the land (unlike most democrats).
\_they would cecede because this has become a nation of lawyers
not laws. Al Gore can win an election by a judge and not law.
So why note cecede and keep the constitution the way it was meant
to be?
\_ You people are all fucking pathetic. This is almost-but-not-
quite above the level of knuckle-dragging trash talking you get
in an 8th grade pickup basketball game. I'm ashamed to have
graduated from the same educational system that spawned people
as incapable of rational thought as yourselves. And the worst
of it is, you get to vote on my taxes. Spite, contempt,
vitriol. -John
\_ Hi John. If they voted intelligently, they'd be lowering
your taxes. Intelligently = can read a ballot and poke
1 hole per candidate.
\_ Is there more than 1 hole per candidate?
\_ In Florida, some morons voted once for Al Gore
and a second vote for that nice Joe fellow because
he's a nice boy, you know? |
| 2000/11/17-19 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:19821 Activity:nil |
11/16 More important than what the media talks about is what they don't.
A few items no longer or never mentioned: James Car-Vile, Jesse
Jackson and the "it's another Selma!" brigade, the confused people,
Hillary!, Bill, any senior Democrats publicly stating their support
for Al Gore (Wexler's mewling doesn't count), Wexler, Al Gore's
attempted coup, election fraud, the networks calling Florida 70+
minutes before the pandhandle polls closed (when working repubs are
going to the polls), the networks calling Gore states instantly and
waiting hours to call Bush states creating the false appearance that
Gore was sweeping the election. And finally a comment on GWB: GWB is
clearly too stupid to realise you can't fight the Democrats on their
own terms, so here he is plowing forward, day after day, pretty much
ignoring the media, polls, and everything else, not really fighting
too hard, just kind of being there, doing something the Dems have
never encountered before: saying "No". Bye Al. Your career is over
no matter what you do. I've met Bill Clinton, and you sir, are no
Bill Clinton.
\_ Bill Clinton is my hero!
\_ Bill Clinton was the best president we've had for a generation.
\_ I'm da MAN! - BC
\_ Another thing you never hear in the press: the fact that the
Republicans have hand recounted Republican majority counties
in Florida and added them to George Bush's votes and now want
to stop the Democrats from doing the same:
http://orlandosentinel.com/elections/1110sem.htm
This is conservative newspaper who endorsed Bush, if you doubt
the source.
\_ Nyet, Comrade! These votes were put through the machine again,
despite what your pro-American yankee pig dog lying media would
have you believe! They were not hand counted by hundreds of
people sitting in a room guessing how pregnant a chad is. Try
again. Hail to the Emperor, Gore! We must try harder in the
future to persuade the public our lies are true! Truth is media!
The media is us! Will of the People! We are the Majority Party! |
| 2000/11/16 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:19798 Activity:nil |
11/16 http://Salon.com still living in fantasy land: http://salon.com/politics/feature/2000/11/16/flunk/print.html \_ Salon is always in fantasy land. The only redeeming quality, is that this bs doesn't masquerade a front page news like it does ny times. |
| 2000/11/14-15 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:19781 Activity:high |
11/14 More statistics. See? I said they cut both ways:
http://www.theamericanenterprise.org/hotflash.htm
Pick the numbers you like based on whatever methodology is more
favorable to your political agenda and go for it.
\_ "He was a policy adviser to Governor Bush during the election"
well, duh. this is going to be unbiased! this article makes
a bunch of unsupported assertions. not the same league.
\_ You missed the point. The point is that anyone can make up
anything they like and *prove* it with statistics. I didn't
say he was unbiased. I said exactly the opposite. Duh.
\_ well, there's prove and there's "prove." mentioning that
"1+1=2, therefore adding 1 to a number doubles it" uses
statistic to "prove" something, but the fallacy is pretty
obvious here. The fallacy is not in the statistic, the
statistic is correct. it's a logical fallacy. just because
one argument is fallacious doesn't mean it's pointless to
argue the subject, or that stats are useless. |
| 2000/11/14-15 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:19780 Activity:low |
11/14 Warp Gore or Bush. http://www.fearthis.com/warpimages/pres.shtml \_ Lame. Gore already looks like a retard, and Bush already looks like Alfred E. Neuman. |
| 2000/11/14 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:19767 Activity:nil |
11/13 I went to Joshua Tree NP last weekend and saw George Bush's
long-lost cousin, Paperbag Bush:
http://biology.fullerton.edu/courses/biol_340/web/Joshua_Tree/Paperbag_bush.JPG
It appears smarter than W. |
| 2000/11/13-14 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:19760 Activity:high |
11/13 Al Gore's actions are making me respect Richard Nixon's decision
in 1960 vs John F. Kennedy.
\_ Republicans are so funny. The exits polls all showed Gore
winning Florida comfortably. First Bush wants to keep things
\_ You're citing inaccuate exit polling as proof? get real.
\_ DUH! ABC News and CNN *GAVE* Florida to GORE. Just
because the people seem to have vote differently is
no reason to take it back.
out of the courts, then he files suit. First he wants the
electoral process to run it's course, now his bother's
secretary of state is imposing bullshit deadlines. You
are all fucking hypocrites who want to win so bad that you
are willing to overlook the most important issue: whoever
got the most votes in Florida should win Florida's EV.
\_ Democrats are so funny.
First Gore says "I'll abide by the outcome of the votes,
no matter which way". Then he gets a recount. Now he's
taking it TO COURT.
"You all fucking hypocrites who want to win so bad that you
are willing to overlook the most important issue: whoever
got the most votes in Florida should win Florida's EV."
Hint: That's BUSH.
\_ why? he got several of his aides to investigate the success
probability of winning the election by a recount.
the election wasn't as close electoral vote wise.
he probably determined it wasn't worth it, and
gracefully decided not to sue, saving himself time
and making himself look good. nixon also spent every
moment of his life after resigning trying to recast
himself as a noble elder statesman, it looks like his
efforts succeeded.
\_ Gore helped.
\_ Asking for a recount? Gore could well win. He's not accusing
anyone of fraud, just questioning the accuracy of the votes
counted. Was the Nixon/Kennedy electin within 300 votes of
5M? --PeterM
\_ 2 recounts already favor bush.. now Gore wants a hand
recount so he could get his cronies to fix it.
\_ Trying to "clean" the results to fit his desired outcome.
At this point it looks like Gore is willing to take the
Presidency by ANY MEANS NECESSARY!
\_ you've provided no argument whatsoever that he's
trying to "clean" the results.
\_ What argument? Jesus Christ! Take Stat 2!!! This
_should_ be common sense. No one needs to make a case
for whether or not he's cleaning the results. Gore's
team says that's *exactly* what they're doing. Where
are you getting your news from?
\_ How about "We'll keep recounting the votes until I WIN!"
\_ Weird how it took a low life like Gore to make the country
\
/
resurrect Nixon as a good man. I think Nixon was total scum,
especially after reading some of the tape transcripts, but in
comparison, he was clearly the better man. I can't believe I'm
writing that Nixon was a better man than anyone... what has become
of our country?
\_ Watergate brought out the worst side of Nixon. Until that time
he was a fairly decent man. Everyone has an inner daemon, it
would be wrong to judge Nixon based only on one (albeit fatal
flaw).
\_ I read the tape transcripts. Nixon was a total lowlife,
lower than a mere inner demon could account for. Gore has
proven himself worse. I still can't believe I'm saying
this: Nixon isn't the lowest man ever in high office in
this country. Gore is. I'm saddened at the thought this
egomaniac might manage to steal the Presidency....
\_ Before everyone starts LIONIZING Nixon, please read and get the
facts straight so you're all not REWRITING HISTORY.
http://www.salon.com/politics/feature/2000/11/10/nixon/index.html
\_ Funny. I got ragged on for using Wired News to quote statements
Gore made recently in public. Wired News, a place run by SF
leftists at the time. But here someone else thinks that Salon
is a good source to use for discussing history of 40 years ago?
Don't quote crap like Salon.
\_ http://www.britannica.com/bcom/eb/article/3/0,5716,57373+3,00.html
\_ The http://britannica.com article leads me to infer that http://salon.com
is re-writing history. I really can't believe http://salon.com,
here; is there a better source? |
| 2000/11/13-14 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:19750 Activity:high |
11/13 So anyone here heavily invested in the Clinton/Gore economy? How about
that NAS and Dow, eh? I'm feeling lucky that my 1.5/share high risk
stock gamble only dropped to 1 1/16. It's the economy, stupid!
\_ wait, I thought the economy was Reagan/Bush's, troll. -tom
\_ Uh oh, Tom changing the subject again. Let me spell it out for
you, Tom, so you can't spin it more than normal: The market has
tanked because The Daley/Gore ticket refuses to admit defeat and
is stealing the election. Is that simple enough for you, Tom?
More county shopping announced this morning for the Democrats.
\_ stop smoking crack and buy a clue: Jeb's State rigged the
ballot in a Democrat-friendly area so as to feed his bro
Florida's 25 electoral votes. this isn't about being a
Democrat, it's about preventing election fraud.
\_ Please explain in detail without conspiracy theory, how
the Governor of a large state can steal a statewide
election, especially in areas under the politcal control of
the other party. What process would this require? Yeah,
I thought so....
\_ Nah. I think the market is tanking at the prospect of 4
years of Bush Jr. as president.
\_ The market rose the week prior to the election until the
DUI story came out and the race tightened. -jor
\_ you forgot a question mark.
\_ Thank you Bill Clinton! For 8 years of great economy!
\_ No. The market is tanking because of fears the Gore
will be the Pres. for the next 4 years by means of a
judicial coup d'etat. Read the Wall Street Journal
you'll understand.
\_ I am not talking about today. I am talking about
the market tanking over the past several months
as it appears likely that Bush Jr. may become
president.
\_ Duh. Check the political timeline vs. the market.
Don't make stuff up. Check. You'll find that Gore's
big jump ahead from The Kiss didn't do jack for the
market. It continued to sink all summer. Nice
theory though but next time try checking some facts.
\_ Garbage! The market rose nicely from mid-August
(Democratic convention) to end of August. This
includes the Dow, Nasdog and S&P.
\_ Check a chart. It was already on the way up
before the Dem convention in August until the
end of the month when Gore's ratings were up
due to The Kiss (which wasn't romantic at all)
and then promptly tanked and stayed there.
For those incapable of finding a chart:
http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=%5Edji&d=1y&c=&x=on&y=on&z=on
Hopefully someone who plays the market will have
an easier time with this chart than the typical
Democrat Florida voter with a ballot. -N'04!
\_ It's the fucking stock market. Can't
believe you dumb arses are trying to prove
anything from it. You people really have no
life.
\_ yet another democrat who states the truth when it best suits him
\_ you're the one who gave Reagan/Bush credit for the
economy, not me. -tom
\_ Tom, why are you a democrat?
\_ He feels guilty for having such a high salary and
prosperity earned through his hard work while
others, barely able to poke a hole in a piece of
paper need to cheat their way through life and get
4th, 5th, and 6th chances until they "get it right".
\_ Do you know Tom at all? (Do you know any
University sysadmin who feels guilty for
getting paid half the salary they would
in industry?)
\_ you forgot a question, Mark! |
| 2000/11/13 [Politics/Domestic/President, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:19748 Activity:high |
11/12 What is the purpose of the program called mor in /csua/bin?
(I'd RTFM, but there is no manpage) ----ranga
soda 11/12 22:34 ~> more /csua/bin/mor
#!/bin/sh
# from http://slate.msn.com/Features/bushisms/bushisms.asp
# and some other sites
/usr/local/bin/wall y > /dev/null 2>&1
/usr/games/fortune /csua/lib/olestra/gwbush-quotes-10-08-2000.txt | /usr/local/b
in/wall
\_ Why don't you just run it and see dummy?
\_ This may be the program, but the purpose is clearly to be
an ass, and catch typos. |
| 2000/11/13-14 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:19744 Activity:very high |
11/12 Ok, so WPB had a lot of stupid people so they're getting a "do-over".
Why are they also recounting 3 other heavily Dem counties? I haven't
heard a reason other than "county shopping".
\_ Democratic counties are using punch-hole ballots. 32 errors
per 1000. The richer Republican counties are using scan-tron
ballots. 1 error per 1000. Secondly, Bush's team didn't ask for
recounts in his Republican counties within the 72-hour legal
deadline. Gore's team did. --PeterM
\_ So you're all for law and order? Are you also in favor of the
5pm certification deadline on Tuesday or opposed because in
that case, the law doesn't support your political position?
C'mon.. let's see the twisted reasoning for only following the
law when it suits your political cause. Gore is a crybaby and
is killing this country. -N'04!
\_ Actually, I'm in favor of a recount for Bush too. However,
in his rich counties with the scan-tron ballots, he's going
to get few new votes because of voting count error. --PeterM
\_ C'mon Peter. You ducked the question. Are you in favor
of following the law which states that Tuesday 5pm is
the deadline for turning in certified tallies or not?
This isn't a softball press conference with Barbara
Walters. This is the motd and you can't get away with
that shit and not get called on it.
\_ I didn't respond because I don't know the Florida
law on the 5pm deadline. I've seen it characterized
as an arbitrary rule imposed by the Republican
Sec'y of state and not a law at all. If it is a law
it should be followed, unless it is contradictory
to some other law, in which case a court must rule
on it. In the absence of credible data on whether
the 5pm deadline is a law or not, I have no opinion
on the topic. Is that clear, Mr. X? --PeterM
\_ This isn't something the Democrats want because it would
trigger a full check and investigation of not only
'irregularities' in Florida but other states as well.
The Dems have a lot more to fear from a countrywide
cleaning of ballots than the Repubs. You don't hear the
Daley/Gore ticket suggesting this happen and for a good
reason. They're not looking for a fair and accurate
count. They're fishing. Turn it around. If Gore was
in Bush's position would you tell him to sit back and
relax and take it like a man if Bush was cherry picking
which votes to "clean" and having it done by partisan
Repubs? Uh huh... thought so. Thanks for playing. You
can try again in 2004. So will we. Green in '04!
\_ rationale is that there were ballot irregularities which may have
resulted in many ballots being discounted. more specifically, the
ballot machines will not read your ballot if there are any
dangling bits of paper (instead of clean-punched holes). in a
race where the ultimate decision may be made on the basis of a few
hundred votes, it makes sense to be absolutely sure.
\_ Spoken like a true Gore apologist. Gore wants a recount in only
Democratic counties so that he can eke out a win handing to him
by partisian vote counters (they are all Democrats).
\_ There were irregularities all over Florida starting with the
media reporting the state went to Gore 70 minutes before the
heavily Republican west panhandle closed their polls. Let's
let all of the panhandle revote! DO OVER!
\_ Bah! It's likely that *more* Republican voters turned out in
the panhandle to try to win back the state.
\_ You seriously believe that? Don't be daft. |
| 2000/11/12-13 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:19741 Activity:nil |
11/12 So I did some 4 function math on the remaining absentee ballots
nationwide and calculated, roughly, the percent going to each
candidate. 53% Bush, 47% Gore. With about 920k remaining, at
the current 53/47 split, this will tilt the popular vote to Bush if
the split remains consistent for rest of the absentees....
So, this brings to mind a question:
1: Do any of you think this will pull the wind from Gore's sails and
crush his Florida hopes or will he continue on with more selective
hand recounts in an effort to scrounge up a few more FL votes and
win via the EC without the popular vote? |
| 2000/11/12-13 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:19736 Activity:high |
11/11 1% of votes counted in Palm Beach = +19 votes
That whiny little Bush is going to shit his pants once he does some
"fuzzy math":
19 * 100 == ~1900 votes
Let's face it, the machines are very bad at counting and are the only
things supporting Bush. Gore has the true will of the people.
\_ Uhm, ok, let's do some more math. That was a county that voted
Democratic-dominated ones.
roughly 90% Gore, 10% Bush. Roughly 9:1. Why is it that about
1/3rd of the fucked up ballots went to Bush instead of Gore? More
first round vote fraud from the Democrats? Why did a recount
produce 3x as many as it should have statistically? And while we're
at it, let's try recounting a few heavily Republican counties....
The only fair way to do this is either accept the first machine
recount that was done by the machines or recount the whole friggin
state by hand. You can't clean up only some of your data and
expect to get a valid result. You get a _less_ valid result. I
shouldn't have to explain this to a Cal student....
\_ Dude, get yer shit together. First off, Palm Beach voted
62% Gore, 36% Bush (courtesy of http://CNN.com, data taken from first
count to get a feel for the percentages). I'll generalize that
Gore got 2 votes to every 1 vote Bush got in Palm Beach. Now
let's look at the new votes they got. Gore got 33, Bush got 14.
Hmm, wow, it looks like it's about a 2 to 1 ratio again. Oh wow.
So in general, we should see just as many non-counted ballots by
the machines. To me, as a Cal student, makes a lot of sense.
As for the entire state recounting by hand, I say GO FOR IT! Of
course the Republicans realize that such a recount could (I say
could, not would) make them lose, so they are scared of such a
notion. And yes, the votes will even out if the entire state was
counted. But I have a hunch that more Democrats are less likely
to punch the holes cleanly and make sure the chad drops. Let's
face it, Republicans are typically a bit more in tune to such
technical things, and are also typically a cleaner and tidier
group of people. Yes, that's a stereotype, but hey, that's all
elections ever come down to anyway. So go suck it with this
"_less_ valid result" bullshit. I want accuracy, not politics.
-phale, the original poster who finds himself forgetting to
clean up all of the chad he leaves behind
\_ They should do a recount in every county then, not just the
Democrat-dominated ones.
\_ Yes, that would be the fair thing to do
\_ Not everyone wants to get gored.
\_ Good point. Whereas everybody loves to get a little bush.
\_ I personally don't want to get dick
\_ I uhm, want, uh... GO GREEN! -N'04!
\_ PB County is actaully about 2:1 Gore. http://www.pbcelections.org
\_ Correct. The precincts they chose to reinterpret
were 90:10. |
| 2000/11/10-11 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:19724 Activity:very high |
11/10 When Bush promises tax cut, how much tax cut is it? I'm a hi-tech
worker with a 6 digit. How will I benefit from Bush's administration?
\_ I could be wrong, but one figure I read was from 39% -> 33% for
top bracket and 15% -> 10% for lowest.
\_ if you make 100K you only get back $6000 a year. That's not even
enough to buy 1/2 a car. No thanks to the tax break. I rather
pay that much to improve our traffic and other social needs.
\_ Only? Are you nuts? Write me a check for $6k since it's
*only* $6k and I can sure as hell use it. I'm making 6 figs
also and will not turn down your money.
\_ Get Back? Its my money. They have no right to it. And I
can do some much more with it than some politician spending
it on crack whores.
\_ Yeah, you're right. They have no right to spend my money
to fund the military to defend me. They have no right to
spend my money to build and maintain our interstate
highway system. They have no right to use my money to
keep our airports running.
\_ [Tom's bullshit deleted]
\_ Gore wants to waste *MY MONEY*. Its *MINE*, I went
to work in order to *EARN* it. He has no right to
waste it. Now if he wanted to build a missle defense
to protect America, I'd be for it. But not for his
crack environmental BS.
\_ Bush wants to waste *MY MONEY*. Its *MINE*, I went
to work in order to *EARN* it. He has no right to
waste it. Now if he wanted to pay off our debts
to protect our economy, I'd be for it. But not for
his bullshit missle defense crap.
\_ I prefer a lower tax rate, but I would not spend
a cent to build a missile defense system to
defend a polluted slump.
\_ So when the Chinese and the N. Koreans and the
Arabs launch missles on American cities, you
will be happy to die?
\_ Arabs and N. Koreans? Are you serious?
China would be bombed to stone age if they
dare to launch missiles at American cities.
\_ loser, the government is much more inefficent than the market
place, its better use of money to keep it and use it in the market
than giving more money to an inefficient government who refuses
to make good use of the resources it already has.
\_ Doesn't matter because, like his Dad, he's not gonna do it.
\_ wouldn't be prudent at this juncture
\_ WRONG. He is gonna do it just to prove that Republicans
and the Bush family are honorable men. -voted Republican |
| 2000/11/10-11 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:19716 Activity:nil |
11/10 NEWSFLASH: The official FL vote count is Bush+960 (or so) with 2
yet to report. This isn't AP or VNS. It's the numbers from the
real thing. And of course an unknown number of overseas yet to
arrive over the next few days.
\_ Give EXACT source for these things
\_ Sorry. It was on cnn and other cable channels. Every one
of the national news cable stations had it. cnn, msnbc,
cbs, etc. Take your pick. They're all getting this from
the same source so it hardly matters which you listen to. |
| 2000/11/10 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:19709 Activity:high |
11/9 Gore went to Vietmam. Bush cowered at home.
\_ No, I cowArded at home. Get it right. -gwb
\_ and the he cowered in Seminary school.
\_ Until he flunked out. "Smartest man in the world!"
\_ Still, in terms of intelligence and courage, he
beats Dan-Qualye-in-cowboy-boots.
\_ Gore went to Vietnam for 3 months, took a few pics behind the lines
and went home. A true hero.
\_ Wrong. It's 5 months. Typical Republican misinformation.
5 months / 0 = infinity.
There is no such thing as "behind the lines" in Vietnam.
(Note: Vietnam Vets serve an average of 1 year in Vietnam.)
\_ As the son of a senator, Gore spent most of his time in
"protective custody". He never went to the front lines
in a combat capacity (ie, he was never shot at or shot
back). He pulled a few official shifts guarding the
barracks. I wouldn't call this being a hero.
Okay, Bush served in the NG learning to fly, but at least
he didn't burn his draft card like Clinton.
All of these guys don't inspire me. Personally, someone
like McCain is much better. He was a *hero* and he doesn't
brag about it.
\_ McCain may be batter, but not because he's a "War Hero."
Get over it, the 1950's are over, punkass. I'd love to
see YOU go out and "be a war hero." War is not glorious.
Being in the military really sucks. You're just another
pussy with macho GI Joe fantasies.
\_ I dunno if being taken prisoner exactly
qualifies one as being a "war hero"
\_ Hey! Don't be so mean. Bush Sr. also got shot
down instead of shooting down Japanese planes.
But hey! That's war. He is still a hero, and
in terms of military service:
Bush Sr. >> Gore >> Bush Jr.
\_ Clinton opposed the war, so he burnt his draft card.
Gore went to Vietnam even though his dad opposed the
war. Bush Jr. does not know what he believes in,
but he is too afraid to go, so he cowered at home,
and played with toy aeroplanes.
\ Bush Jr. flew F-18s. not exactly toy airplanes.
\_ When I grow up, I want to be an air force pilot,
flying in friendly skies. |
| 2000/11/9 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:19702 Activity:nil |
11/9 Congress and Supreme Court issue order for nation-wide presidential
run-off election:
http://www.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/stories/11/09/election.president/index.html |
| 2000/11/9-10 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:19701 Activity:nil |
11/8 http://www.modernhumorist.com/mh/0011/call a35 46 |
| 2000/11/9-10 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:19698 Activity:kinda low |
11/9 That "recount" is just more commie "fuzzy math". Bush already won!
\_ it's called obeying florida law, moron. the existence of a
recount has nothing to do with party politics. the way it's
handled is a different matter. |
| 2000/11/9-10 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:19693 Activity:kinda low 60%like:19673 73%like:19688 |
11/9 http://cnn.com *UPDATED 1PM*: bush +419, Gore +1800. Bush = Gore + 403. 58 of 67 counted. Mostly smaller and a few mid sized ones left. \_ [typo corrected, sorry] \_ When they say +XXX, does it mean that they miscounted by -XXX during the first count? I find that rather troubling. \_ I find your jumping to conclusions troubling. No, +XXX simply means XXX is added to current tally. \_ actually, yes it DOES mean that. \_ Seems to me your answer is just a restatement of what I just said. Also, you seem very sensitive. \_ We just have a lot of troubled souls in CSUA. \_ You mean Gore voters don't you? \_ Where is your money right now? Gore Presidency -- $5 Bush Presidency -- $7 \_ Stock Market. I'm a long term investor. I'll ride out any storm ;-). \_ Ever since Bush started his campaign, my stocks have been losing money! forking shyt \_ you should have been into "drugs." \_ from CNNFN: "The comments from the Gore campaign this afternoon accelerated the selling," Clark Yingst, market analyst at Prudential Securities, told CNNfn's market coverage. Still, Yingst also linked the losses to concerns about slowing economic growth that have plagued the markets for months. |
| 2000/11/9-10 [Politics/Domestic/President/Reagan, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:19691 Activity:high |
11/9 If Bush wins the recount, Gore should have nothing more to say.
If Gore wins the account, I think we will have a crisis.
\_ That's what you said 8 years ago about Clinton and we now
have the best damn economy in the world.
\_ Thanks to Alan Greenspan, a Republican
\_ And Ronald Reagan's tax cut in 1981 that allowed
businesses to expand and thrive.
\_ And Ronald Reagan's victory over Soviet Communism
\_ And the Internet Revolution (by Al Gore)
\_ Yeah. Al Gore the author of TCP/IP, UDP,
FTP, HTTP, BGP, OSPF, RIP, RIPNG and
countless RFCs and Internet Standards.
Sustanining Member of the IETF!
\_ Please post the article where Gore
actually says "I invented the Internet".
I mean the actual quote. Not where
other people says he said he invented
the internet but where he actually
said it. Oh, of course, you can't
find it. BECAUSE IT DOESN'T FUCKING
EXIST.
\_ Wow. Then when I saw that on a taped
interview, it was a fabrication of the
VWRC that controls the major media? Is
there a controlling legal authority to keep
the VWRC from completely taking over the
media? What's the world coming to?
\_ If Bush wins the recount, Gore will still demand a revote in 4
counties.
\_ And while we're at it, let's cleanup the vote tally and check
how many non-citizens voted *then* do a revote. Welcome to
office, President Bush.
\_ Thanks prodictivity growth in the service sector for the first
time since yermama was skinny. -muchandr
{deleted a few older threads to save space, not to censor them} |
| 2000/11/9-10 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:19689 Activity:kinda low |
11/9 5 secs ago: Bush +405 with 6 counties to go.
\_ most of the remaining counties (except one) favor Bush.
\_ in a recount who favors who is pretty much irrelevant as
they are looking at changes in the total to say +405
\_ assuming no error in the remaining counties, you can do
the math.
\_ but the +405 bush is assuming no error in the remaining
counties. So who is ahead in which county is pretty
much meaningless.
\_ doesn't this feel like that last 40 seconds of a game, but
the other team is ready to challenge the call?
\_ can't, there is no instant-reply booth. So the call
on the field stands. Plus it's under 2 minutes.
\_ aren't lawsuits a form of instant replay?
\_ No. not in the NFL rulebook or USA rulebook (Constitution) |
| 2000/11/9 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:19688 Activity:nil 80%like:19686 73%like:19693 |
11/9 http://cnn.com *UPDATED 12PM*: bush +369, Gore +1372. Bush = Gore + 781. 55 of 67 counted. Mostly smaller and a few mid sized ones left. \_ [typo corrected, sorry] \_ When they say +XXX, does it mean that they miscounted by -XXX during the first count? I find that rather troubling. \_ I find your jumping to conclusions troubling. No, +XXX simply means XXX is added to current tally. \_ actually, yes it DOES mean that. \_ Seems to me your answer is just a restatement of what I just said. Also, you seem very sensitive. \_ We just have a lot of troubled souls in CSUA. \_ You mean Gore voters don't you? |
| 2000/11/9 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:19686 Activity:nil 80%like:19688 |
11/9 http://cnn.com *UPDATED 12PM*: bush +346, Gore +1343. Bush = Gore + 787. 53 of 67 counted. Mostly smaller and a few mid sized ones left. \_ [typo corrected, sorry] \_ When they say +XXX, does it mean that they miscounted by -XXX during the first count? I find that rather troubling. \_ I find your jumping to conclusions troubling. No, +XXX simply means XXX is added to current tally. \_ Seems to me your answer is just a restatement of what I just said. Also, you seem very sensitive. \_ We just have a lot of troubled souls in CSUA. \_ You mean Gore voters don't you? |
| 2000/11/9 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush, Politics/Domestic/President] UID:19681 Activity:very high |
11/8 Business-as-usual vote fraud in Florida:
http://www.herald.com/content/archive/news/elocal/digdocs/072105.htm
This poor woman isn't even dead and got her vote stolen.
\_ How come our election sounds more and more like fraud-filled
elections in some third-world countries?
\_ Because the Dems get caught more often now and the internet
allows wider reporting. See Dornan vs Sanchez.
\_ You mean Republicans, right?
\_ No. Classic Chicago Mayor Daley. Go pick up a history
book instead of a Leftist pamphlet off the ground on
Sproul. Re: Sanchez, a white chick who changed her pasty
white name to Sanchez to run for office, had 2000+
non-citizens (aka illegal aliens) voting for her. Enough
to steal the election and subvert the law. Don't be a
stupid propoganda spewing thoughtless clown. Go read a
god damned book or just pay attention to what's been going
on around you. Damn, even Nixon let it go in 1960 rather
than torture the country after he was robbed. Gore can't
have the decency Nixon had??
\_ yeah, and we know that nobody who ever wrote a book
had an agenda. i like books too, but your statement
is absurd at best.
\_ Oh yeah, The Republicans are all boy scouts and honest
and brave and trustworthy and the The Democrats are all
lying cheating scumbags. Thanks for setting me straight.
\_ You're ducking again. I never said that. Don't put
words in my mouth or on my keyboard. Obviously, you
have nothing to say but spew and personal attack and
no URLs or anything to back up any of your positions.
The truth is that you really don't have a real
position on anything. Just mere _feelings_ which is
nice and warm and fuzzy and all that and I'm glad
you've such a strong faith in your unfounded beliefs
but some of us require more than your feelings to be
convinced. --Nader'04!
\_ Nixon was cheated by Joe Kennedy and he let it go. Gore
lost (after fighting the good fight) and he can't let it
go because he is much less of a man than Nixon. (Yes,
I'm assuming that Bush will win FL, because if he
doesn't a thousand years of darkness started
yesterday).
\_ "Thousand years of darkness"??? Where are you getting
this crap, Revelations?
\_ Uhm, duh. It's a quote. Grow up.
\_ Gore is less of a man than Nixon? Are we talking
about the same Richard Milhouse Nixon who claimed
that he would achieve "Peace with honor" in Vietnam?
The Richard Nixon who resigned in disgrace? And
it won't be one thousand years, at most it will be
40 because that's about how long the Supreme Court
judges the next President appoints will be around.
That said, how you could possibly believe the
judges Bush would appoint would do anything other
than try to revert the country to the '50s (i.e.
the 1850s) is beyond me. I guess that Bush
supporters share his deep intellect.
P.S. If you dig slavery and isolationism, why aren't
you a Pat Buchanan supporter?
\_ I'm a Nader supporter. Now then, back to the
issue at hand which you clearly want to avoid.
If Gore had any decency he'd accept the final
tally of the recount and not drag this through
endless court proceeding. End of story. You're
so typically 'Gore'. You represent everything I
hate about politicians like Gore and why I voted
for the better man.
\_ Actually, I don't support any of the
candidates. What is this better man, decency
bullshit anyway? Dude, if Nixon conceeding
the vote makes him such a decent and good
man, explain why he later turned into such
a fuckhead! You're so typically 'Nader'.
You represent everything I hate about Green
party members and why I abstain from voting
because all the candidates suck.
\_ Figure it out yourself. Read Nixon's own
words. You'd *never* find a Gore thinking
stuff like this:
http://www.suntimes.com/output/neal/neal09.html
As a Gore slave, this is about something you
wouldn't understand: the best thing for the
country. Something more important than
Gore's ego. --Nader'04
\_ It's commonly thought Nixon didn't challenge the
Chicago results because he didn't want an
investigation to turn up Republican cheating
downstate.
\_ Commonly thought? By whom? URL please. I
provided one with full quotes. Let's see a URL
with more than "sources say".
\_ You'd rather believe "Nixon says" than
"Sources say"? I eschew your political
naivete. --!above poster |
| 2000/11/9 [Politics/Domestic/President, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:19680 Activity:nil |
11/8 Was President Lincoln a Democrat or Republican?
\_ President Lincoln founded the Republican party.
\_ This is technically incorrect.
Lincoln was the first republican
presidential candidate, but the
party was founded by someone else.
\_ That's right. See
http://www.rnc.org/2000/gophistory
\_ Why did all the southern states vote Republican when
Lincoln trashed them up so badly?
\_The Southern States have traditionally always voted
Democratic until recently. The Southern Democratic states
have always been the traditional bastion of Democratic
conservatism, and it's also traditionally been the place
of getting voting blocks. However, the new Democratic party
has become, in essence, too liberal. The result is the slow
and eventual decay of the Democratic party to be replaced
by the Republican party. In fact, even though they were until
recentely Democratic, they were at heart conservative socially.
The South has just recentely shown its true colors.
\_ The South switched after LBJ signed the Civil Rights Act
of 1965. White Southerners abandoned the Democratic Party
in droves after that, just as LBJ anticipated they would.
\_ The south and the north have really changed
from the civil war days. Back then northerners
cared about liberty and freedom. Now they
just want to turn America into a big welfare
state like europe.
\_ Back then, Republican party was the more liberal party.
\_ Back then, the concept of "liberal" and "conservative" are
quite different from modern concepts. You have to remember that
in those days America was mainly agrarian. The Republican party
was the party of Industry and Commerce, while the Democratic party
was for the agrarian farmer (both big and small). In a sense, the
two parties have merely evolved with the times. You can see why
Republicans supported abolishing slavery while the Democratic party
for the most part didn't. Agrarian economies require large forces
of manual labor, and the system in place at the time was slavery.
By abolishing slavery the south was afraid it would destory their
socio-economic system (which actualleally didn't).
\_ That's why the Southern economies are booming and vibrant,
especially when compared to their wealth then.
\_ Texas and Florida have strong economies. Most of the other
states don't have enough people to need a industrial economy. |
| 2000/11/9 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush, Reference/Military] UID:19679 Activity:high |
11/8 Time to forget Florida and just give Bush & Gore each a partner
from the WWF and let a tag-team grudge match decide the winner.
\_ Let them duel for it, as great men did in ages past. (a la
Aaron Burr and Alexander Hamilton)
\_ that would be really exciting. Or a western style
showdown. or maybe even pitting them gladiator style
against each other.
\_ Western style showdown would be cool. Showdown
at the Dade County Corral. It may not be a fair
contest though since Bush is a reasonably good
marksman who has a permit to carry a concealed
firearm (AFAIK).
\_ well we can just give Gore a knife, since knives
are more deadly than guns. -tom
\_ In some situations. This wouldn't be one of
them. Thanks for taking that out of context,
though. You can give yourself a twink point
now.
\_ Tom that ruled. - tom #1 fan!
\_ Yes give them knife and sword so they can
settle it like gentlement. |
| 2000/11/9-10 [Computer, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:19676 Activity:high |
11/8 Miffed at the latest attack on him from Vice President Gore,
George W. Bush accuses the vice president of stretching the
truth.
"He's the man who said he invented the Internet," Bush gibed,
echoing a common joke at Gore's expense.
Now let's kill the joke.
A) Gore did not claim to have invented the Internet. In an
interview with Wolf Blitzer in March 1999, Gore said:
"During my service in the U.S. Congress, I took the
initiative in creating the Internet."
\- i think this is still bogus. when you are handed a list
of things to fund and you check off a bunch you like,
that is a far cry from "taking the initiative to
create". a more reasonable politician would have said "i
am a staunch supporter" or "lobbyied my colleauges"
etc. if someone brought you a human genome sequencing
project to you cong cmte and you decide to fund them, it
is no more your initiative than it is your money. --psb
\_ I read an article a few weeks ago where many of the
internet pioneers like Vint Cerf credited Gore. They
didn't mention any other politicians, but said that
Gore was instrumental in getting funding for R&D on
the internet. I think what Gore should have said was
he took the _political_ initiative in creating the
internet. Obviously the man is a politician and not
an engineer and I think it is reasonably clear that
he was claiming credit for his political work not
anything technical. -!orignal poster
\_ Gore's statement was not well-worded, but the mockery of
it is completely inaccurate. -tom
\_ Welcome to American politics. All public figures
screw up. The better lines get remembered. Tough
shit. And I saw the clip where he said this and
he made it clear the internet as a concept was his
idea. "I saw all these different research and
educational and other big computer places that
couldn't talk to each other so I...". Something
along those lines. The real thing is out there if
you care to find it. In context.
\_ motd formatting !god was here
\_ But Gore invented pants!
\_ URL PLEASE! Stop making blatant accusations and assumptions
without providing a URL, regardless of the source. Without
a URL, I am able to discredit all comments ever made about
pants, but if you provide a URL, even a GeoCities one, well,
then I'll just sit down and shut the fuck up.
\_ you are an idiot.
A) Gore did not claim to have invented the Internet. In an
interview with Wolf Blitzer in March 1999, Gore said:
"During my service in the U.S. Congress, I took the
initiative in creating the Internet."
project to you cong cmte and you decide to fund them, it
\_ that doesn't sound very different from I invented the internet.
\_ And I dare say it was deliberately meant to sound that way,
while supposedly giving him a way of weasling out now.
So he deserves all the flak he gets on it.
\_ Obfusication is an art. Gore learnt from the
master Bill "I prefer Double-D's" Clinton.
\- i think this is still bogus. when you are handed a list
of things to fund and you check off a bunch you like,
that is a far cry from "taking the initiative to
create". a more reasonable politician would have said "i
am a staunch supporter" or "lobbyied my colleauges"
etc. if someone brought you a human genome sequencing
project to your cong cmte and you decide to fund them, it
is no more your initiative than it is your money. --psb
\_ I read an article a few weeks ago where many of the
internet pioneers like Vint Cerf credited Gore. They
didn't mention any other politicians, but said that
Gore was instrumental in getting funding for R&D on
the internet. I think what Gore should have said was
he took the _political_ initiative in creating the
internet. Obviously the man is a politician and not
an engineer and I think it is reasonably clear that
he was claiming credit for his political work not
anything technical. -!orignal poster
\_ I read the same thing and Vint Cerf recollection
of history is flawed. The internet began in the mid
60's (before Gore was elected to any office) when
the DOD and DARPA asked BBNPlanet to "wire the
world". Gore had some minor role in converting
ARPAnet to NFSnet, but the DOD created the internet.
Some visionary general who wanted to defend America
and ensure its survival in a nuclear war created the
Internet. Not a weenie socialist named Gore.
\_ Under the leadership of Democratic President
Lyndon B. Johnson.
\_ Despite the leadership of LBJ.
\_ Gore's statement was not well-worded, but the mockery of
it is completely inaccurate. -tom
\_ Gore's lying. He BS'ed and someone called him.
You are just apologizing for Gore cause he's
a socialist just like you are and you are
afraid that conservatives will let the people
continue to think for themselves and that the
people will figure out that you are wrong.
Half of them already have.
\_ Welcome to American politics. All public figures
screw up. The better lines get remembered. Tough
shit. And I saw the clip where he said this and
he made it clear the internet as a concept was his
idea. "I saw all these different research and
educational and other big computer places that
couldn't talk to each other so I...". Something
along those lines. The real thing is out there if
you care to find it. In context.
\_ motd formatting !god was here
\_ all hail |
| 2000/11/9 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:19673 Activity:high 60%like:19693 |
11/9 http://cnn.com: bush +437, Gore +1391. Gore - Bush = Gore + 954. 9:02am. 38 of 62 counted. Mostly smaller and a few mid sized ones left. \_ [typo corrected, sorry] \_ When they say +XXX, does it mean that they miscounted by -XXX during the first count? I find that rather troubling. \_ I find your jumping to conclusions troubling. No, +XXX simply means XXX is added to current tally. \_ Seems to me your answer is just a restatement of what I just said. Also, you seem very sensitive. |
| 2000/11/5 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:19648 Activity:high 50%like:19646 |
11/5 VOTE GUSH d00d5!!!
\_ kick both candidates in the nuts! kick third party candidates in
the nuts!
http://www.kgoam810.com/\goout.asp?u=http://www.kgoam810.com/viewentry.asp?ID=73474&PT=programsummaries
\_ I'm not surprised. That's bush for ya.
\_ Uhm, ok. Larry Flynt, man best known for porn and being a Gore
supporter makes unsubstantiated claims and provides no evidence.
Where's the Bush connection? And uhm, even if "Mister" Flynt's
story was true... uh... so what? Abortion is legal.
\_ abortions would not be necesary if all guys
were kicked in the nuts really hard.
\_ How true. Perhaps a federally funded program
supported by a KickNuts Tax of 3.5% off everyone's
income? A worthy cause and it'll shrink the
Federal Government.
All I see is a rich porn pusher trying to ruin the
life of some poor woman to use her as a political pawn. If I
was her and some prick some Flynt was investigating my life, I'd
be upset too. Is this a character issue thing? I'd think the
left would want to avoid character issues like the plague in
this year's elections....
\_ It is to display the hypocrisy in Bush's claims of integrity.
Not like the right destroyed Monica Lewinsky's name too.
This is fair game.
\_ Lewinsky was sucking cock in the whitehouse. In the Oval
Office for Christ's sake. Do not compare some innocent
private citizen getting sucked into Flynt's bullshit with
Monica's stained dress. And if you check, you'll find it
was Hillary & crew destroying ML, not the right trying to
ruin what little reputation and shreds of credibility she
had. Flynt is the last man on the planet to be pointing
out character flaws in others. Sources are important.
I'd believe my magic 8-ball before I believed Flynt's
completely undocumented lies. This isn't the first time
Larry has pointed a finger and never presented a single
speck of evidence.
\_ you hozer. At least TRY to do the obvious simplification:
http://www.kgoam810.com/viewentry.asp?ID=73474&PT=programsummaries
\_ double-hozer. This does NOT make bush a hippocrit. Bush specifically
said he was only against late-term and "partial-birth" abortion.
This was just a "regular" one.
oops. Although apparently, it was illegal at the time.
\_ Although "everyone was doing it" at the time. Sort of like
how it's been ok to lie to a grand jury under oath for the
last 8 years so long as you're lying about something you
feel isn't important.... |
| 2000/11/4-5 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:19646 Activity:high 50%like:19648 |
11/5 VOTE GUSH d00d5!!!
http://www.kgoam810.com/\goout.asp?u=http://www.kgoam810.com/viewentry.asp?ID=73474&PT=programsummaries
\_ I'm not surprised. That's bush for ya.
\_ Uhm, ok. Larry Flynt, man best known for porn and being a Gore
supporter makes unsubstantiated claims and provides no evidence.
Where's the Bush connection? And uhm, even if "Mister" Flynt's
story was true... uh... so what? Abortion is legal.
All I see is a rich porn pusher trying to ruin the
life of some poor woman to use her as a political pawn. If I
was her and some prick some Flynt was investigating my life, I'd
be upset too. Is this a character issue thing? I'd think the
left would want to avoid character issues like the plague in
this year's elections....
\_ It is to display the hypocrisy in Bush's claims of integrity.
Not like the right destroyed Monica Lewinsky's name too.
This is fair game.
\_ Lewinsky was sucking cock in the whitehouse. In the Oval
Office for Christ's sake. Do not compare some innocent
private citizen getting sucked into Flynt's bullshit with
Monica's stained dress. And if you check, you'll find it
was Hillary & crew destroying ML, not the right trying to
ruin what little reputation and shreds of credibility she
had. Flynt is the last man on the planet to be pointing
out character flaws in others. Sources are important.
I'd believe my magic 8-ball before I believed Flynt's
completely undocumented lies. This isn't the first time
Larry has pointed a finger and never presented a single
speck of evidence.
\_ Lewinsky was kicking nuts in the white house.
\_ you hozer. At least TRY to do the obvious simplification:
http://www.kgoam810.com/viewentry.asp?ID=73474&PT=programsummaries
\_ what was the last "wild unsubstantiated rumor" the flynt
pushed? last time i checked, he usually had lots of
evidence to back himself up
\_ He kicked someone in the nuts
\_ double-hozer. This does NOT make bush a hippocrit. Bush specifically
said he was only against late-term and "partial-birth" abortion.
\_ there is no such thing as a "partial birth abortion"
go do some research.
\_ go to the reference desk at the library an kick the librarian
in the nuts.
This was just a "regular" one.
oops. Although apparently, it was illegal at the time.
\_ Although "everyone was doing it" at the time. Sort of like
how it's been ok to lie to a grand jury under oath for the
last 8 years so long as you're lying about something you
feel isn't important....
\_ everyone is kicking people in the nuts. |
| 2000/10/29-30 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:19595 Activity:very high |
10/29 http://www.speakout.com/VoteMatch Has anyone tried this and got the correct match? \_ you are Unclear on the Concept. The URL points out what is the correct match for you. The question is, were you smart enough to figure out who \_ granted Bush is a glorified Quayle, but you dont want a tax cut? \_ granted Bush is a glorified Quayle... This aside, dont you want a tax cut? Maybe you should give voluntary donations to the federal govt. best fits you before taking the questionaire. \_ Based on the tone of the question, the poster was rudely surprised, which begs the questions, Original Poster, who was your closest match? \_ yes. democrats are the closest to my viewpoints, then nader, then the liberal republicans...and pat buchanan last. \_ Basically it told you that you are RED COMMIE PIG SCUM. \_ it got me right. -lila \_ moi aussi, I'm a populist leaning conservative, my matches were: Cheney, Buchanan, Keyes, Philips, Bush, McCain, with Nader (last). Its pretty accurate conisdering I'm a former member of the "Buchanan Brigades" who voted for Pat in every primary until he left the Republican party. \_ Bradley, Gore, Browne, Lieberman, Nader, Cheney, Buchanan, McCain, Bush (fairly accurate) --dim \_ granted, yes, Bush is a glorified Quayle... \_ WRONG! Quayle is not that dumb, but Bush is arguably smarter. Bush graduated from Yale and recieved a MBA from Harvard. He had a better overall academic record than Gore, who recieved at least one D (and many C's) in undergrad work at Harvard and failed to complete any of his post graduate work. "Gore arrived at Harvard with an impressive 1355 SAT score, 6 25 verbal and 730 math, compared with Bush's 1206 total \_ Hey! I hope Bush wins so I can claim that I have a higher SAT score than the president of the United States of America: "Gore arrived at Harvard with an impressive 1355 SAT score, 625 verbal and 730 math, compared with Bush's 1206 total from 566 verbal and 640 math." \_ You got into Cal with lower than 1355?!? DAMN. They will let anyone in these days. - alum with 1400 SATs \_ SAT's are meaningless - flunked out with 1490 SAT (780 Math/710 Verbal - yet flunked both English 1A & Math 1A twice, though that was mostly due to lack of interest) \_ WOW! I'm impressed. I've never met anyone flunked out of Math 1A and English 1A. Chem 3B, Chem 162 (Ochem), Physics 112, etc yes, but Math 1A and English 1A, is unbelieveable. Its like 10th grade stuff. \_ Depends on who you had for math. English depends on your instructor and if you have previous writing experience and kiss ass enough. \_ I took 2 ud english classes and they were cake. I didn't even have to go to class ever. I figured 1A was much easier, I never took it though, I AP'ed out. Same with Math 1A,1B. out English, Math and Chem. \_ If you did that in my English 1a, you'd get a big fat F. She actually took attendance and lowered your grade by a full letter for each unexcused day after the second on who you take it from. I'm sure I can find you a math 1A prof that'd be more than happy to flunk you. Prof Woo comes to mind.... There are others. \_ Attendence? WTH, its college. Anyway I stand corrected. \_ Please provide name. Gracias. \_ the english 1A/1B classes are like engineering labs, not lectures. each class is <20 students and there are weekly writing assignments and in-class writing oexercises, so attendance is important. \_ I only took ud english classes, I stand corrected about the ld english classes. \_ This seems like a fair matter of fact page on the candidate's academic records: http://www.geocities.com/gore_in_context/harvard.html \_ Wow. If I took those courses I would sue for slander to keep my transcript from going public. I can't believe that BORE thinks that he's bad ass hard-core academic stud, when all he took were frigging arts/humanities course. Any moron can get decent grades in humanities classes, esp. at a private school where the *customer is always right*. At least Bush as the humility to admit that he's not the brightest on the block. Anyway The last pres. (and perhaps only one in the 20th century) who could pass something like the average Cal ciriculum (50 series, 7 series, 61 series, ud techs) \_ Not including any spelling classes obviously. \_ Yeah, I can't spell. so what? was Carter. He was arguably one of the *worst* presidents. Contrast that to Truman (never went to college), Reagan (Eureka College) or Lincoln (home schooled). Success in the Presidency is more than simply academic prowess. \_ Being POTUS has to do with leadership, not academia. I don't want BH for President but I'm sure he got better grades than either of the current major candidates. \_ BH? \_ Hello? Brian Harvey? Is BH dead or something? \_ Whose Brian Harvey? However, dont you want a tax cut? You dont want experiments with school vouchers, or a portion of your SS tax to give you a higher rate of return? Maybe you should voluntarily donate money to the federal government. \_ Huh? Is that sarcasm? -confused \_ Huh? What? Get a clue. \_ Gosh, I guess I should've picked it up from the tone in your voice or something. I see Cal is still desperately in need of personal interviews prior to accepting new students to weed out the pricks like you. \_ Buchanan, Cheney, Keys, Hagelin (wtf)... Lieb and Gore Last |
| 2000/10/21-22 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush, Recreation/Music] UID:19543 Activity:nil |
10/20 "{Gore|Bush|Troll} is the Salieri of American politics. He wants so
desperately to be a genius. He has mastered the techniques. He
knows everything. And yet the spark of genius is not in him. And
there in the Oval Office sits the Mozart from Arkansas, the
natural, the casually smutty debaucher of interns who is also
the political genius of our time."
\_ and you are the Salieri of the motd
\_ hi mozart
\_ This analogy is totally wrong. In Amadeus, Salieri is the
Venetian court composer, not Mozart. It would follow, therefore
that Clinton is Salieri, and that Gore is Mozart. The point is
that whoever is Amadeus wouldn't be elected since he would not
be understood in his time. -williamc
\_ I am Yahoo Serious portraying Mozart, you are all Paully Shore.-blojo |
| 2000/10/21-22 [Politics/Domestic/California, Health/Men, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:19538 Activity:nil |
10/20 Screw Gore and Bush and especially Pat. Vote Quimby
http://www.quimby2000.com
\_ I'm voting Vader: <DEAD>www.vaderfor2000.org<DEAD>
\_ Well, look at how cool you are you hedonistic pinkhaired
shitkitten. God forbid should you have an original thought lest
in a somewhat related fit of your disrobed, impotent wisdom
you take to trollying in public your hamster-shaming gonads
with your ridiculeworthy genetalia as your mindless little
heart bleeds amidst my laughter to the current of your own
excretions... smeltsucking infantfelcher. - (fucker)
\_ Welcome back. We've missed you. |
| 2000/10/20 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:19534 Activity:nil |
10/20 "I know the human being and fish can coexist peacefully."
George W. Bush, http://slate.msn.com/Features/bushisms/bushisms.asp |
| 2000/10/4 [Politics/Domestic, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:19411 Activity:nil |
10/04 Anybody else think that height is an issue in presidential elections?
The last president < 6 feet tall was jimmy carter, and we how the
circumstances surrounding his election. Gore is like 6' 1" and Bush
is just under 6 feet right?
\_ It's not absolute height, its relative height.
The taller presidential candidate always wins.
Unless he can somehow avoid ever standing next to his
competition for the whole election run. Not. |
| 2000/10/4 [Politics/Domestic/President/Reagan, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:19404 Activity:very high |
10/03 Bush: "I don't care what the vice-president says, he doesn't
believe in testing our kids" and hold schools accountable.
<DEAD>www.algore.com/agenda/bluebook/p3.html<DEAD>
"...we need to test our students"
\_ Gore - lies about Grandma taking up-the-ass for $120 bucks while
his dog takes the same up-the-ass for $20 .. turns out his example
is made up. also, Gore special interest ends only after he gets
his money from the monks.
\_ All this is largely irrelavent. All politicans exagerate to
some extent. What Bush-lick needs to focus on is not these kinds
of mistakes, but rather the effect of BOREs misguided policies
on ordinary americans.
\_ There is only one issue that _clearly_ distinguishes these bozos:
abortion. Everything else is muddled.
\_ Government Regulation. if Bore GR++, if Bush-lick GR--.
Taxation if Bore TAXES++, if Bush-lick TAXES--.
\_ Not quite right. Gore has a little more clue on the
debt. Gore is anti-tart reform, Bush is pro tart reform.
\_ Bore doesn't have a clue about the debt.
\_ Look, they are the same guy in different suits (though not even
that last night at the debate). The only good reason to vote for
Gore over Bush is because there are a few people in the his party
who actually do give a shit. Anyway, everyone in the Bay Area
should vote for Nader since Gore is going to win here by a large
margin.
\_ The valley's prosperity is due to the economic policies of
great men like Ronald Reagan. Bill C was smart enough to
keeps his hands of the economy, Bore isn't that smart and
will screw it up.
\_ The Great Ronald Reagan almost screwed our country
permanently with his insane budget deficits. Clinton
put us back on an even course. Tax-and-spend liberals
in his party notwithstanding, Gore is far more likely to
persue fiscal responsibility.
\_ You are completely ignorant. Read the Wall Street
Journal some time. The budget deficit that he grew
was wartime spending. America has always run budget
deficits during wartime. Since we won the cold war
(which was possible only because of the zero-sum
option of RWR) we can start reducing the deficit
just like it was after all wars. BORE won't help
with this, he would just like to spend all the
money on more government programs.
If any of you think that the COLD WAR wasn't a real
war, you should try talking to members of the
armed forces who served during that time. It was a
real war and RWR fought it like a real war and he won.
By winning he secured our freedom for generations to
come. So it cost some $s. Better to sacrifice a few $s
for long term freedom and prosperity.
\_ You have obviously been reading the WSJ editorial
pages and confusing their fantasy version of the
world with reality. The Reagan budget deficits
were mostly caused by foolish headed tax breaks for
the rich justified as "trickle down economics."
And I *did* serve in the armed forces during the
cold war, did you?. It is not the same thing
as being shot at.
\_ yeah, kick some central american butt!
\_ It was russian COMMIE butt that we kicked.
Soviet Communism has been consigned to the
ash-heap of history, just as RWR predicted.
\_ Soviet is gonna fall one way or another.
If you think RWR toppled it, you really
have no clue about why communism or command
\_ Regardless of Reagan's "almost" screwing our country
and Clinton's cigar wizardry, Greenspan is far more
accountable for preventing *possible* recessions
and that still says nothing about Gore, his retarded
tax policy, his taste for opportunistic lying
(campeign funding), and a propensity for
irresponsibility and unaccountability. But I'm sure
you're right about his likelihood to "pursue"
fiscal responsibility better than Bush... after all
the pursuit of responsibility
economies fails.
\_ Reagan "almost" screwed our country; Clinton "almost"
screwed Lewinsky, Lincoln Bedroom, Arlington,
Missile Guidance... whatever.
Get it straight brainiac.
Greenspan put us back on course.
And that has NOTHING to do with Gore... who indeed
is more likely to pursue any responsibility than Bush
who has had more practice being it than pursuing it.
Oh, forget I said that... go back to your fantasyland
You'd vote democrat regardless of who's running,
probably because your parents did you pathetic
reasons that companies like Cisco and Sun are able to
little snailsniffing automaton for whom thinking-for-
onself is a terrifying enemy. - (fucker)
\_ GreenSpan was appointed by Reagan and has shown
himself to be a supply-sider.
\_ Our prosperity is in spite of the economic and moral
policies of mediocre presidents like Ronald Reagan. The
Federal Reserve and regulations in banking and stock
markets, established long before rr, helped fuel and
better sustain recent stock market manias. And the more
tangible prosperity is due to the great minds & ideas
coming out of universities like UC Berkeley and Stanford
and companies like HP, Cisco, Sun and products like
Netscape Navigator, Solaris and Yahoo. Not due as much
to those punks in washington (dc).
\_ RWR's visonary insights into economics, including
his choice of Alan G. as FED Chariman, are the sole
\_ "sole reason"? You LOSE right here
reason that companies like Cisco and Sun are able to
prosper. The reduction in Coroprate Taxes and Corporate
Regulations that RWR made allowed people to do business
more efficiently leading to unprecidented growth and
\_ I paid BC + AB salary in taxes this year. I
prosperity for all americans including morons like you
who would otherwise be panhanlding on the streets of
Berzerkely.
RWR believed and implemented SSLF principles. His
leadership has restored America's Greatness.
\_ In that case, why is Greenspan advocating the
use of the budget surplus to reduce the national
debt instead of cutting taxes?
\_ I believe that some of the deficit ought to
be repaid, but that is not what Bore will do
with the "surplus". He will expand government.
\_ Err ... debt and deficit are two very
very different things, even though one
leads to the other.
\_ The regulations I refer to were implemented in
FDR's time. Plus, I am 95% sure I earn more than
you and believe me Reagan did not do that for me,
you rabid, foaming-at-the-mouth fascist hypocrite.
America never needed it's Greatness restored
because it never lost it. Republicans are all
for affirmative action for the rich, like S&L
bailouts and pandering to the religious freaks.
\_ I paid BC + AB salaries in taxes this year. I
will pay more next year. If it was not for
RWR, I would never have had the opportunity
to earn as much as I do. His vision was an
america where everyone could be rich, rather
\_ This is fucking hilarious.
than an america where no one can ever be rich
(socialist democrat ideal).
\_ Wow, a republican who is proud of taxes
enough to use them to try to justify his point
\_ No, it was the other way around: products by
Cisco Sun etc. helped improve corporate efficiencies
and reduce costs which led to higher profits and
greater ambitions (both in small/large and old/new
companies which in turn contributed to stock market
gains. Not just "lower taxes" which is all that
republicans can ever say.
\_ The economic environment created by RWR is what
what allowed companies like Cisco and Sun to
form and succeed Without his leadership in the
early 1980s (for those of you not old enough to
remember, 1979-1980 were years in which this
country experienced the greatest economic down-
turn since 1929) these companies and scores of
of others could never have been created. Supply
Side and Laisse-Faire works, RWR proved it;
we are enjoying the fruits of his labor.
\_ Wow, i guess RWR created the Internet then.
\_ Since 1992, CSCO has gone up like 80000%
\_ It's not often that us engineers are given
our dues for making America great! So,
please don't take away our credit, asshole!
If you want to hero worship RWR, go learn
from Monica, ok?
\_ it's really pretty ridiculous to make this assertion. Well,
it's not ridiculous when you have no real knowledge of the
candidates' positions. But if you did, you'd know that they
differ on most issues. -tom |
| 2000/10/4 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:19401 Activity:moderate |
10/03 So who won the first presidential debate?
Bush -1 - No balls
Gore -1 - No policies
\_ and bush has these?
\_ Yes, but don't think for yourself, now.
yermom 0
!psb 1
tjb 0
linus 2
the girl with the big titties in the audience 8
\_ I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Ms. Lewinsky |
| 2000/10/1-2 [Politics/Domestic, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:19385 Activity:high 62%like:19383 |
10/01 What is with snotty politically ignorant trolls on motd?
\_ Conservatives are not the ones censoring topics on the
motd. Its the liberal luzer though police. At least
conservatives let people who disagree with them speak
freely, unlike liberal COMMIE SCUM!
\_ Whatever: McCarthy Party Lamb. Shout your
repressive conservative politics all you want, your
crusty old-fashioned reps. are getting left in the
political dust. I ain't deleting anything, better
to let you show off your ignorance to the world.
\_ It's you liberals ruining them oral and economoic
fabric of society.
\_ It's you liberals ruining the oral and economoic
fabric of society. -ranga
\_ If you want to sound half intelligent (or more
intelligent that George Bush) then you might
want to refrain from using random permutations
of the words damn, liberal, luzer, commie, and
scum as they show absolutely no intellectual
thought. Rather than shooting off the hips why
don't you pick a particular topic and discuss it
in full detail (why you agree/disagree, what
evidence you have to support it, what arguments
you have to counter the other side, etc...).
That would surely sound far more intelligent than
saying things like "you're stupid", "you're a
damn commmie liberal", painting the motd with
"LINUX, RIDE BIKE", etc... Being a democrat
doesn't make you dumb. Not following your
arguments with any form of rational thought is. |
| 2000/9/4-5 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:19166 Activity:very high |
9/4 Got to lick BUSH and DICK in 2000
\_ Oh now I get it. |
| 2000/7/26 [Health/Men, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:18769 Activity:nil |
7/25 I recently just finished up a string of relations with white guys.
I'm an Asian female looking for financial stability and family
values. Should I stick with middle class hillbillies, or should
I go for insecure rice boys with small penis? Or maybe I should
go for girls?
\_ insecure rice boys with small penis.
\_ Is 6" regular or small?
\_ Spicy crispy. |
| 2000/7/18-20 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:18712 Activity:moderate |
7/18 http://www.autowraps.com \_ man rice \_ They don't have anymore accounts. Sounds like they'll go belly up RSN. \_ I have a Lincoln Navigator. Am I still eligible? |
| 2000/6/4 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:18406 Activity:kinda low |
6/4 It is already 6/4 and since this is called the MOTD where D=="DAY"
The latest NFL football news is that:
"Cowboys show interest in Cunningham"
"Green Bay to release tight end Chmura"
"49ers deal for Rice should be done Monday"
\_ Uh... so what? |
| 2000/3/16-17 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush, Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:17769 Activity:high |
3/15 What this the meaning of "biff" (as in a program's name) ?
\_ />00/> \/\/|-|47"5 7|-|15 /<-R4/> P%0G%4|\/| U 54Y?!?!
4 |\|0 %3450|\| 1 G07 A \/\/00/>%0\/\/ 7|-|3 5123 0F
3\/3%357!!!@@!$%#@@7P<
\_ and why is biff sometimes related to this unreadable
junk?
\_ 0bveuslee UR n0t 318 enuf 2 reede b1ff skr1pt!11
\ eYe cunt r34d ths sh1t.
\_ "Dood what's this k-rad program you say?!?!
"For no reason I got a Woodrow the size of Everest!!!"
\_ man 1 biff: it tells you when you have new mail.
\_ I know what biff does. I was wondering what the word "biff"
means.
\_ Read the man page I pointed you at. "The biff command
appeared in 4.0BSD. It was name after the dog of Heidi
Stettner. He died in August 1993, at 15."
\_ That's sad if true.
\_ I believe it is. The foldoc entry is relevent and seems
to confirm it. Say, I wonder if anyone on soda was
there when they were developing BSD? Could be we have
someone who knew Biff.
\_ http://www.instantweb.com/~foldoc/contents.html
See "biff", "b1ff".
\_ http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/jargon/html/entry/biff.html
http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/jargon/html/entry/B1FF.html |
| 1998/11/25-26 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:15032 Activity:very high |
11/25 http://www.drudgereport.com/matt.htm for the most recent info on why Clinton should be impeached and shot. \_ yeah whatever. i think you should be impeached and shot. \_ What do you mean "yeah, whatever"? If the current administration has jeopardized the national security of this country, then it should be removed. \_ politicians selling out the country's interets because some big contributor asked them to? Wow, now there's news. What political utopia have you been living in? \_jeopardized national security!??? Youre stupid. \_ getting a blowjob is close to national security breach? \_ I hear the Iraq situation is cumming to a head... \_ but Im sure we'll "pull out" before anything irreversible happens \_ What an amazing, realiable source of information. |
| 1998/11/2-3 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:14873 Activity:nil |
11/1 Microsoft fears the penguin. http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/halloween.html \_ "watch out for the penguins" |
| 1998/9/21 [Politics/Domestic/President/Reagan, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:14643 Activity:nil |
9/20 fucking coward. Judge Starr, Members of Congress, people of America, I banged her. I banged her like a cheap gong. Which is not news, folks, because if you think Monica Lewinsky was the only skin flute player in my orchestra, you haven't been paying attention. The only babes in D.C. I haven't tried to do are the First Lady, Reno, Albright, and Shalala, mostly because they're a little older than I like and they have legs that former Houston Oiler Earl Campbell would envy. Which isn't to say I don't appreciate Hillary, I do. If not for the ice-water coursing through her veins, I'd be pumping gas into farm equipment in Hope, Arkansas, and she'd be married to the President. So, let me set the record straight. I dodged the draft, hid FBI files, smoked dope, flipped Whitewater property, set up a new Korean wing in the White House, fired the travel staff, paid hush money to Hubbell, sold the Lincoln bedroom like an upscale Motel 6, and grabbed every ass that entered the Oval Office. Got it? Good. Six years ago, there's not a man, woman, or child who didn't know I was as horny as Woody Allen. But, you elected me anyway, which turned out to be a good move on your part. Your other choice was Bush, an aging baseball player and part-time resident of some place called "Kennebunkport" who thought he could bomb his way into the White House. Before him, it was Reagan, who left the office with the same Alzheimer's he came in with. There was Carter before him who brought you a 17% prime interest rate, smiling the whole time like his lithium drip had just kicked in. Nixon before that coined, but never really understood, the concept of 'plausible deniability,' and almost got a one-way ticket to San Clemente for his crackerjack style of governing. Johnson was an inbred, power-mad war criminal whose major contribution to American society was Agent Orange. And John Kennedy, who was a little naughty himself, didn't hang around long enough for America to spot that curious atavistic tic for "beaver-wrestling" shared by at least a dozen former residents of the White House. Which brings me back to my point. Since I have been strumming the banjo here at the White House, government is doing more for less. The budget is balanced for the first time since JFK did a one gun salute to Marilyn, a fact the press didn't seem to care about, evidently. Unemployment is so low today a blind felon can get a job as a night-watchman. And the stock market is higher than a D-student on a full gram of dumb-dust, and anyone with a degree from a junior college who can spell 'internet' has enough money to ponder the annual maintenance cost of his boat, instead of where his or her next meal is coming from. Bottom line: I'm running a country here and I'm doing it with my pecker showing. What I'm asking for is your support, not a date with your daughter, unless, of course, she's a hotty with thin ankles, and then I'd like to discuss it. In the meantime, think about where you are today and what kind of life you're living before you get too interested in where I'm parking the Presidential limousine. Thank you, good night and God bless America. |
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