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2022/08/19 [General] UID:1000 Activity:popular

2009/3/8-17 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:52686 Activity:kinda low
3/8     http://spectator.org/archives/2009/03/06/treasury-these-moments
        Obama has no idea what the fuck he's doing -Dem
        \_ A Democrat who reads the American Spectator? Really?
           \_ The GOP has fucked things up in ways you cannot imagine, but this
              does not equate to the Dems knowing what the fuck they're doing.
              We're all fucked!  I'll let you know when I seee the Dems getting
              on the right track. -Dem
        \_ Cult of personality figures tend not to.
        \_ This is a slightly nicer web site than freerepublic. Kudos!
        \_ Both parties love Big Government:
2009/3/7-17 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:52684 Activity:low
3/7     John Edwards admits its his baby
        \_ Didn't he admit that sometime last year?
                \_ no he just admitted he had an affair
2009/3/5-13 [Politics/Domestic/HateGroups, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:52677 Activity:kinda low
3/4     Good series of three posts from angry sysadmin:
        \_ Geez, this guy makes Roubini seem like a flaming optimist.  His
           predictions are so dire and insane that they aren't even worth
           listening to.
           \_ It's an angry sysadmin.  Isn't that the definition of
              not worth listening to?  "Big cities are at risk of
              becoming a free-fire death zone."  I mean really?
              \_ let's take it from the opposite direction:  Which of his
                 predictions do you think will come true, if any?
                 \_ I think this guy makes the homeless man screaming
                    outside my window look downright hinged.
                    \_ please answer the question
                 \_ So when some crazy person is screaming about the cia
                    bugging his teeth do you give serious consideration to
                    his ideas as well?
                    \_ *shrug*, more power to you
                     \_ Free-fire death zones!  The government is going
                        to nationalize all 401ks!  30% unemployment!
                        Really?  Let me guess, you googled Ron Paul.
                 \_ why are you deleting responses to your idiocy?
           \_ I wonder what time frame he was thinking of.  BTW, this is very
              useful to me, since I will go down the list of predictions and
              say:  Yes, this will happen; this is possible, but x and y need
              to happen first; govt will take care of these in this order;
              signal w will happen before z.  I got a helluva lot out of it.
              If you want insane predictions, see: -op
           \_ He neglects to consider the impact of the imminent collapse of
              \_ Q. If Mexico collapses, should we take over?
                 \_ Only if a larg majority of Mexicans beg us to.  And even
                    then, perhaps we're better off not touching it with a
                    10ft pole.
2009/3/2-5 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Gay, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:52666 Activity:low
3/2     http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/Business/story?id=6977202&page=1
        Conservative states consume the most internet porn.  Damn
        hypocritcal bastards.
        \_ The bigger question is how many are GAY porns? That's against
           Jesus Christ and God's belief.
        \_ Funny, then you would think conservatives would know what
           "teabagging" means.
           \_ Ha ha!  I didn't know this:
              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teabagging   -- !OP
        \_ You know, I think Jesus would hate most American "Christians".
        \_ There is one other small problem with Edelman's efforts. His very
           first reference in the paper is built on a source long known to be
           completely false. On the second page of the report on his study
           published in the Journal of Economic Perspectives (Vol 23, #1,
           Winter 2009), Edelman relies on the claims of porn industry trade
           publication AVN Media Network that says the online porn industry
           made $2.8 billion dollars in 2006. AVN also claims that the entire
           porn industry pulled in nearly $13 billion in 2006.

           However, it has long been known that the numbers presented by AVN
           are in no way verifiable. Forbes Magazine took AVN.s claims to task
           back in 2001 (after one of AVN's earlier reports of porn industry
           takings) and found the numbers impossible to verify. In 2001 Forbes
           reckoned that the industry could not have made more than $4 billion,
           a number far less than the $10 billion AVN was then claiming. A
           2007 Boing, Boing article also discussed the unverifiable AVN
           \_ What does that have to do with his original research using
              credit card data?
        \_ Give Conservatives a break. It's pretty lonely living in the
           farms and suburbia.
2009/2/28-3/5 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:52662 Activity:low
2/28    Where's ZombieTime when we need him?
        \_ In SF, as usual.  It looks like this guy pretty much had it
           covered though.
        \_ You'd think they could come up with a better gimmick than
           \_ And why do they have the teenage boy holding up the sign
              encouraging teabagging? I wonder if he knows what he has
              been put up to do...
2009/2/26-3/5 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:52650 Activity:nil
2/26    "Fiscal conservatives" like Saxby Chambliss predictably uninterested
        in Obama's proposal to curtail ag subsidies:
2009/2/20-22 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Finance/Investment] UID:52608 Activity:high
2/20    Was just watching Thu's CNBS on tivo.  Gosh, Obama has no idea what
        he's doing, does he? -Dem
        \_ No, he doesn't. Everyone knew that. That's why I voted for Hilary.
           However, I expected him to have competent advisors. I think
           part of the problem is "What happens when you have competent
           advisors who *disagree*?" as I feel is the case now. Someone
           has to make the call.
           \_ And this just occured to you?
              \_ No. "I voted for Hilary."
           \_ what happens when Krugman (!advisor), Geithner, Summers, Buffet,
              and Volcker are all fucking wrong?
              \_ Greenspan? Bernanke? Roubini? I actually think Buffet is
              \_ Greenspan? Bernanke? Roubini? I actually think Buffett is
                 right and history will prove it.
                 \_ Buffet has been selling, after he told you to buy
                    \_ Bull.
                       Sure, he sold some positions. He's also been buying
                       Intersoll-Rand, Nalco (NLC), and Burlington Northern
                       Ingersoll-Rand, Nalco (NLC), and Burlington Northern
                       since end of 3Q 2008. Most holdings are unchanged.
                       That's in BRK. Buffett's article was talking about
                       his personal holdings, which we don't really know
                       about what's happening there.
        \_ What is "Thu's CNBS"?
           \_ Sorry, Thursday CNBC.  Specifically about 2-3 segments where
              Rick Santelli and Steve L. are yelling at each other; also the
              Meredith Whitney interview.
              \_ Yeah the CBOE traders are all such great representatives
                 of the common man. How can you take this guy seriously, he
                 was a hedge fund advisor and one of the architects of CDOs?
        \_ Your use of CNBC as a barometer of anything of substance says
           more about you than about Obama.
           \_ See above about specific segments on the bullshit channel;
              I'm not too impressed with you myself
        \_ Gibbs has a great response to Santelli's right wing frothing:
           \_ Uh, great response?  He's a press secretary, and what I got from
              that was:
              - You're a derivatives (actually, bond) trader you motherfucker
              - By preventing your neighbor's foreclosure, your house will
                maintain value (Santelli actually addressed this yesterday,
                saying most people buy a house to live in, not as in investment
                and the need for house prices to return to normal supply/demand
                levels overrides subsidy of foreclosed properties)
              - Really smart people created this plan
              - Go read the plan, and you'll see it helps a lot of people
              Once again, Obama has no idea what he's doing -Dem
2009/2/19-21 [Politics/Foreign/Canada, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:52602 Activity:nil
2/19    http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-215694
        Canadians to Obama. We're the friendiest and most tolerant people.
2009/2/16-19 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:52580 Activity:kinda low
2/16    In spite of GOP claims, there is very little pork in the
        stimulus bill:
        http://tinyurl.com/bg56eo (TNR)
        \_ GOP lie and exaggerate?  Never!
        \_ oh?   http://tinyurl.com/cpzfnf (WaPo)
           \_ So you think that spending on High Speed Rail is pork?
              \_ It's not "stimulus", that's for sure.  The spending won't
                 apply to the short term.
                 \_ I don't know about that. A lot of money could be spent on
                    CAs high speed rail project in the next couple of years
                    and I don't know what the condition of the other 11 projects
                    mentioned, but I assume they could be accelerated as well.
                    They are certainly not pork, in any case.
2009/2/11-16 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:52556 Activity:low
2/10    http://change.gov/agenda/ethics_agenda
        End the Practice of Writing Legislation Behind Closed Doors: As
        president, Barack Obama will restore the American people's trust in
        their government by making government more open and transparent. Obama
        will work to reform congressional rules to require all legislative
        sessions, including committee mark-ups and conference committees, to be
        conducted in public. By making these practices public, the American
        people will be able to hold their leaders accountable for wasteful
        spending and lawmakers won't be able to slip favors for lobbyists into
        bills at the last minute.
        (Compared to what's actually happening:
        http://www.businessandmedia.org/articles/2009/20090211135318.aspx )
        \_ Before: Do shady things in secret.
           Now   : Lie & do shady things in secret.
        \_ Guy gives partisan speech.  This is news?
        \_ Isn't this the same guy who was all in favor of earmarks until
           the Democrats took control of Congress, then suddenly decided
           that they were wasteful (and still continues to take them, while
           loudly complaining about them)?
        \_ Links to Malkin?  Check.  Big banner about how we need to fight
           against the return of the fairness doctrine? (Who the fuck decided
           this was a danger?)  Check.  Crazy libritarian slogan?  Check.
           Dude, this site is as crazy as the ChemTrails hippies.
           \_ I admit that that FSA page makes the fairness doctrine sound
              really appealing.  I mean, who doesn't want to shut up Rush
              and Hannity and their ilk who run around embarassing the right.
              but really, you think the Government should mandate equal time
              on the airwaves?  You think that enforcement of that is feasible?
              You think the net effect is positive?  It seems unlikely.
              \_ Of course enforcement is feasible.  They can enforce not
                 saying "fuck," they can enforce not letting right-wing
                 blowhards dominante the public airwaves.  That's right,
                 they're the *public* airwaves; corporations get to use
                 them to the extent that they provide a public service.  -tom
        \_ Good to have you back, jblack.
        \_ Ohh, this is a nice Jan 2007 article about how the economy is
           strong and there is no real estate bubble and the media is just
           out to scare you
2009/2/9-15 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:52538 Activity:low
2/9     GOP may be "winning" stimulus debate on TeeVee, but they're losing quite
        badly with the public:
        \_ Uh, the support for the pork package is falling, and now the CBO
           says we'll get out of the recession without a stimulus.
           \_ Is the fallback position for the GOP? First they claim that
           \_ Is this the fallback position for the GOP? First they claim that
              the stimulus bill will be a disaster, then after it works, they
              are going to claim "we would have gotten out of the recession
              \_ No, they'll claim that the stimulus package prolonged the
                 recession.  They'll keep repeating it and repeating it
                 until the dittoheads think it's a consensus view instead
                 of the product of ideological wack jobs.  (See: Conservative
                 positions on FDR and the Depression).  -tom
                 \_ Oh, yah, UCLA is conservative.
              \_ Last I checked, CBO wasn't Republican.
                 \_ Your track record of reliably reporting from other sources
                    is suspect, at least to me. What is the URL to the CBO
                    report in question? It is not an exaggeration to claim
                    that almost every economist, no matter their political
                    stripe, think that a stimulus package is warranted.
                    stripe, thinks that a stimulus package is warranted.
                    \_ There's a summary at:
                       But you'll dismiss that.  So here's a link to the PDF
                       from the CBO:
                       \_ There is nothing in the CBO report that supports
                          your claim. In fact, it actually says this:
                        Principles for Fiscal Stimulus
                        In the absence of any changes in policy, CBO projects
                        that the economy will produce about $1 trillion less
                        output per year than its estimated potential in each of
                        2009 and 2010 and significantly less than its potential
                        in 2011 and 2012 as well (see Figure 12). The unemploy-
                        ment rate is forecast to rise above 9 percent by early
                        next year. Many economists believe that a stimulative
                        fiscal policy (that is, an increase in spending or
                        reduction in taxes designed to foster faster economic
                        growth in the short run) is desirable under the
                        current economic conditions.
           \_ You apparently have a different definition of the word "falling"
              than most people.
              \_ 62% Want Stimulus Plan to Have More Tax Cuts, Less Spending
                 http://tinyurl.com/cajvyb   [rasmussen]
                 \_ Wow, just wow.  So a 36 point approval gap means nothing
                    to you?  Keep drinking that Kool aid, man.
                    \_ I was responding to the "different definition of
                       falling" claim.  Sorry for that linear logic.
2009/2/6-12 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:52532 Activity:nil
2/6     I think it's funny how Obama keeps saying things like: "Debate is
        good, that's how democracy works.  Now knock it off, I won."
        \_ Debate is not obstructionism.  Let me guess, you were
           shocked, SHOCKED! about the democratic fillibusters in 04-06.
           \_ The stimulus bill is a farce, and should've been blocked.  It
              needs a lot more debate to become reasonable.
              \_ I doubt more debate can bridge the divide between the
                 "tax cuts for the rich" vs. "handouts for the poor and
                 middle class" ideas on stimulus. Do you?
           \_ Election is over.  Now you obey!
2009/2/5-10 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:52518 Activity:low
2/5     Really Obama?  Really?  "This recession might linger for years. Our
        economy will lose 5 million more jobs. Unemployment will approach
        double digits. Our nation will sink deeper into a crisis that, at some
        point, WE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO REVERSE," Obama wrote in the newspaper
        piece titled, "The Action Americans Need."
        \_ Nice selective quoting there.  That's what he is saying we need to
           prevent, not what is going to happen.  Here's the two sentances
           RIGHT BEFORE THAT.  "Because each day we wait to begin the work of
           turning our economy around, more people lose their jobs, their
           savings and their homes. And if nothing is done, this recession
           might linger for years."
           \_ I wasn't selectively quoting.  He's claiming if we don't pass
              this bill, the USA will end.  What a moron.
              \_ If nothing is done, will the things that he suggests come to
                 pass? Possibly. His stimulus package may not be a silver
                 bullet, but it will be doing something.
                 \_ Ready, Fire, Aim!
                    \_ Sure, fair point: doing something dumb is as bad/worse
                       than doing nothing. Still doesn't invalidate what he
                    \_ It's pretty funny to hear Republicans talking about
                       cautious policy (c.f. Iraq) and fiscal responsibility
                       (c.f.  pretty much everything).
                       \_ Iraq wasn't exactly "incautious" -- but yes, the R's
                          have certainly not been the party of small gov't
                          \_ You think that Iraq was carefully thought out?
                 \_ No, if the government sits on its collective hands, we
                    won't go into an IRREVERSIBLE tailspin.  "His" stimulus
                    package is a crap sandwich of every earmark from the House
                    and Senate, only 3% goes to "shovel-ready" projects, and
                    less than 1/4 will be spent in 2009.
                    \_ It would help your case if you hadn't taken his
                       words out of context to start with.  As it is your
                       credibility is, shall we say, low?  Hell you
                       couldn't even be bothered to make it clear you had
                       cut off the first half of the sentance you were
                    \_ "We may not be able to reverse" includes the possibility
                       of reversing it.
                    \_ No, that is not the plain meaning of the words he used.
                       You are too stupid to bother with explaining the
                       obvious meaning too, though.
                       obvious meaning though.
        \_ There are plenty of non insane respected economists, not waaay to
           the left or waaay to the right who really believe that if some
           massive stimulus action is not taken soon we are really seriously
           in for a long deep depression. You could argue that is just how
           free markets work and that a depression will simply finally cut out
           all the fat, make us more competitive, and really prove that FDR's
           massive expansion of gov spending and LBJ's great society brought
           us to this point, but my point is, many believe the danger is real.
           The Fed is and was REALLY scared. What is your plan to avoid
           economic ruin, or is your position that we shouldn't do shit?
           \_ How many of them predicted our current situation?  When we're
              talking about make-work projects and protectionism, I get all
              itchy worrying that we're headed right back to the beginning of
              20th century.
              \_ Yeah, that would be terrible.  Let's tear down the Golden
                 Gate and Bay Bridges while we're at it.  -tom
           \_ Their "stimulus" is only possible via huge borrowing, which is on
              top of the already huge borrowing that we've been doing for
              many years.  That itself could lead to economic ruin and in
              any case is a long term burden.
              The fed should have been scared a long time ago.
              Is the answer to just keep doing what we've been doing, only more
              \_ "what we've been doing" is throwing billions down a rathole
                 in Iraq while cutting taxes on the wealthy.  I'm all for
                 stopping both of those things.  -tom
              \_ When the market is willing to loan the government money at
                 near-zero interest, NOT running a deficit would be
        \_ ok.  what are the alternatives?  tax cuts?  Bush has done plenty of
           that.  I don't know how you are going to convince me tax cut is
           going to work this time.  *IF* you are a true free-market type,
           you would totally let GM, Ford, Bear Stern, Bandk of America,
           Citibank to die.
           or you are the type who supports "socialize the cost,"  asking
           the tax payers to buy those "bad asset" so banks can be free of
           their responsbility of making bad investments?
2009/2/4-9 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:52510 Activity:nil
2/4     Ouch, that left a mark on Daschle
2009/2/4-9 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:52508 Activity:kinda low
2/4     Welcome to Fascism  (and yes, GWB started it)
        \_ Nice try, when you've lived under a dictatorship, come back ok?
           \_ Fascism != dictatorship, one word has different letters and
              less letters than the other.
              \_ fewer
        \_ Corporations are begging for handouts from .gov; .gov caps payouts
           for corporations taking handouts; where's the fascism?
           \_ Government gives money to company, then tells company what to do.
              Gov't has nationalized the company.
              \_ Congratulations, you've described one aspect of
                 nationalization. This is not the same as fascism.
                 \_ And Barney Frank wants more:
                    \_ What is your proposal for reducing systemic risk?
                       This one isn't that great, but so far it is the
                       This one doesn't seem so great, but so far, it is the
                       only one I have seen. "Let the invisible hand sort it
                       out" seems to have failed as a notion. Got any other
                       \_ Uh, invisibile hand means that you need to allow
                          losses.  If you prevent them, you're ignoring the
                          \_ I'll take that as a no, then.
        \_ Could you dittoheads get together and figure out whether you're
           going to call Obama a commie or a fascist?  Your flip-flopping is
           distracting.  -tom
           \_ They're not opposites.
           \_ Marx (commie) -> Stalin (fascist dictator), so ObaMaRX ->
           \_ Also Geithner is talking the same tune as Frank, as per the
           \_ Rush Limbaugh says that Nazis are the same as Socialists, you
              are obviously not a listener.
              \_ Hint, Nazis were National Socialists.
                 \_ So you have been listening to Rush...
                    \_ So you've never read a history book...(Hint: There
                       are reasonable arguments against Nazi=Socialist.
                       Denying the name isn't one of them.)
                       \_ If someone argues the name means they were the
                          same they are obviously too stupid to be worth
                          having a real discussion with.  End of story.
2022/08/19 [General] UID:1000 Activity:popular

2009/2/2-8 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:52497 Activity:nil
2/1     Pres. Obama keeps rendition
        \_ This does not mean what you (or the LA Times) think it means.
        \_ More on how this article does not mean what you (or the idiotic
           LA times) think it means:
           \_ Wait, so snatching foreign citizens off foreign soil is okay if
              they don't go to Gitmo?  Remember, Gitmo hasn't closed yet (and
              never will, actually).
              \_ As long as they get speedy trials and swift application of
                 American justice within our judicial system, I have no
                 problem with it. -liberal
                 \_ So when rendition occured under Clinton's watch (sending
                    suspects to other countries, not the US) was it
                    \_ Surely you mean rendition as initiated by GHWB?
                       Also, the Harpers article does a very good job of
                       drawing the distinction.
              \_ Way to completely misread all of the above articles!  Plus
                 a nice bit of wingnuttery at the end there with your
                 "never will."
2009/2/2-8 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:52495 Activity:nil
2/2     Majority of GOP voters think the party should be more like...Sarah
        \_ I'm going to enjoy the permanent Republican minority
        \_ DRILL BABY DRILL!
2009/1/29-2/6 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:52488 Activity:low
1/28    I'm the recession swami. It ain't over yet. It just started.
        Obamamaniacs have high expectations but will be sorely disappointed.
        \_ Saying we are in a recession is pretty self-evident, a true
           Swami would tell you when it will end. -GS
           \_ I only hope we'll do better than Japan's lost 2.5 decades.
           \_ I only hope we'll do better than Japan's lost two decades.
              let's put it another way:  if CA is having trouble issuing tax
              rebates this year, what makes you think the problem goes away
              next year?  the year after?  next?  etc. -!op
              \_ Sure looks Looks like  a liquidity trap. think we can escape?
        \_ dur?
        \_ Welcome to the Great Depression of Barack Obama.
           \_ You mean of GWB? GWB=Hoover, Obama=Truman
              \_ Don't you mean Obama=FDR?
                 \_ Yes, I do. Oops. Photo friendly version:
              \_ No I mean Obama, if Obama follows the FDR model, which
                 seems likely.  If Obama follows FDR, the only way we
                 are getting out of this depression is WW3.
                 \_ you're an idiot.
                 \_ if a nuclear apocalypse is the only way out of this
                    depression, I think I'd rather stay in the depression.
           \_ Obama was the President in Q4?
2009/1/28-2/4 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/RepublicanMedia] UID:52482 Activity:nil
1/28    Republicans in power?  More Republicans on TV!  Republicans out of
        power?  More Republicans on TV!
2009/1/28-2/1 [Recreation/Dating, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:52480 Activity:nil
1/28    the baby borg episode of star trek:voyager is so sad!
        \_ Jeri Ryan's firm rear end gave us Obama.  God bless her.
           \_ What about the front?
           \_ How was this supposed to have come about?
           \_ I thought I rehashed this for the motd.  Jeri Ryan used to be
              married to an Illinois senator.  They had a messy divorce.
              Some of their divorce documents became public, which mentioned
              that Jeri was vastly annoyed with her husband because he would
              always try to drag her to public sex clubs and have hot
              threesomes with her in front of other people.  It became clear
              to the senator that he wasn't going to win the next election.
              It wasn't just the public sex with 7 of 9, it was a variety
              of things, but the hot sex with Jeri Ryan's while holding
              Jeri Ryan's firm buttocks in front of a crowd at Chicago's
              very best public sex clubs didn't help.  He dropped out of
              the race, Obama decided to get into the race, the Illinois
              Republican party couldn't find anyone in the entire state of
              Illinois to run against him, so they shipped in Alan Keyes
              to run against him, from another state.  You can't make this
              stuff up!
              \_ This was in the motd previously.  I just forgot about it
                 completely until you reminded me.  Sorry, my brain is
                 defective.  But thanks, also, because my defective brain
                 allowed me to enjoy the story all over again.
              \_ The sex club stuff was accusations, not proven facts AFAIK in
                 the contentious custody fight.  The records were sealed and
                 LATimes got them unsealed.
                 \_ Jeri Ryan also claims that while her husband *WANTED*
                    her to participate she did not. She's now married to
                    a chef who has a very yummy French restaurant in LA.
              \_ Jack Ryan was running for Senate, he was not a Senator.
2009/1/26-31 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:52468 Activity:nil
1/26    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28695591
        More companies force workers to take [unpaid] time off.
        \_ Even President Barack Obama alluded to the growing use of
           furloughs in his inauguration speech when he said, "the
           selflessness of workers who would rather cut their hours than
           see a friend lose their job."
           More proof that Obama is a SOCIALIST!!!
2009/1/23-27 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic] UID:52452 Activity:nil
1/22    Who says Republicans don't have a sense of humor?
        From the National Republican Congressional Committee website


        Thanks to Republican economic policies, the U.S. economy is robust
        and job creation is strong.

        Republican tax cuts are creating jobs and continuing to
        strengthen the economy,
        \_ Thanks for the reminder. I need to Google and Yahoo for Republicans
           and then click on their advertisements to support Google and
           Yahoo while draining Republican resources. Search for
           "conservative republican" and click on Recovering Republican
           and Newt Gingrich Newsletter and help the world!
2009/1/22-27 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:52449 Activity:nil
1/22    http://tinyurl.com/dehplu
        His aides are barred from lobbying any executive agency for the
        life of the Obama administration. That means an appointee who
        leaves the White House in, say, 2010 would be barred from lobbying the
        executive branch until 2017 if Obama were to serve two terms.
2009/1/21-26 [Recreation/Media, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:52430 Activity:nil
1/21    Anyone remembers which movies featured black US presidents?  They
        seemed like fantacies to me back then.  I'll start:
        Deep Impact
        Stealth Fighter
        \_ Fifth Element.
           \_ But he wasn't really the President of the U.S., right? He was
              more like the leader of the entire planet Earth.
        \_ Not a movie but the 2nd season of 24.
        \_ When will they start making fun of Obama on TV? Who will
           do it first? Jay Leno? Conan?
           \_ These guys can't make fun of him. It'll be racist.
           \_ Chris Rock.  A decade ago he made fun of black vs. n***er in a
              comedy show on Showtime.  That was hilarious.
           \_ SNL's been poking fun at him for months.
           \_ Daily Show just kinda did:
        \_ Idiocracy was the best one.
        \_ 24 probably did more than any of the above movies in helping Obama.
           \_ And after this season, Hillary might have a chance. Although
              the president from this season seems like a bit of a tard,
              so maybe I should say Palin might have a chance.
2009/1/20-26 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:52426 Activity:low
1/20    Obama overcame the biggest obstacle
        \_ Yay! Obama's mother had a choice and made a choice! How
           wonderful that the Catholic Church supports choice now!
           \_ Pretty sure they supported it then as well.
              \_ Pfft. False. RCC has never supported Choice.
                 \_ Oh, I see the problem here, you're an idiot.  Carry on.
                    \_ And you're on drugs. When did the RCC ever support
                        \_ The RCC always supported the choice between
                           keeping the kid and giving it up for adoption.
                           \_ Yay, humor!
2009/1/20-26 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:52424 Activity:moderate
1/20    BAC -29%, WFC -24%, JPM -21%, C -20%, GS -19%, MS -16% BCS -42% STT-59%
        \_ The Obama Administration begins!
           \_ Hope!
           \_ Yes, clearly today's decline is the market reacting to Obama
              suddenly and unexpectedly becoming President.
        \_ The Death Star bursts into a supernova, creating a spectacular
           heavenly display. </sorry>
        \_ We've had three consecutive months of massive DEFLATION (CPI
           decrease).  Expect it to continue at least a few more months,
           followed by hyperinflation (as the Fed injects as much cash into the
           system as it can).
           \_ If you think we are really going to have hyperinflation
              you are either too stupid to breathe or don't know what
              hyperinflation means.
              \_ Hyperinflation means Weimar.  Granted, it may only be as bad
                 as the 70s, but the money supply has grown over 70% since the
                 bailouts started.  The current annualized rate of deflation is
                 between 12% and 23%.  See here for what happened in
                 \_ Umm, are you trying to say that we're going to have that
                    kind of inflation here, or not? -!pp
                 \_ Umm, are you trying to say that we're going to have
                    Weimar inflation here, or not? -!pp
                    \_ I think it's about 50/50 either 70s or Weimar.
                       \_ In that case, you should borrow lots of money
                          and buy solid assets.  I personally think 70's
                          is as bad as it is likely to get.
                          \_ That's about what I'm doing.  But I certainly hope
                             you're right and I'm wrong.
                             \_ I cannot name even one country with a
                                functioning military that has suffered
                                hyperinflation. It is usually defeated
                                countries and occasionally a total basket
                                case with no friends and no army like
                                \_ Rome circa 300 AD, and the Confederacy
                                   are two examples.
                                   \_ The Confederacy is a great example of
                                      how a country that is losing a war or
                                      has just lost a war often suffers
                                      hyperinflation. Rome is a good
                                      counterexample, I have to admit.
                                      \_ What cause hyperinflation in Rome?
                                         Wasn't it a change in coinage or
                                         \_ Yeah, good point. Rome kept
                                            debasing the currency.
                                \_ I'm not sure what a military has to do with
                                   it.  It seems to happen in places with
                                   unusally destructive economic policies.
                                   ie Zimbabwe destroyed the main engine
                                   of its economy.
                                   I'm not terribly worried about it here
                                   because Bernenke is very anti-inflation.
                                   While I think Obama's economic policies
                                   seem a little hare-brained, they aren't
                                   THAT wacky.
                 \_ It depends on what you define as "money supply." If you
                    include credit (and most economists these days do) the
                    overall money supply has actually gone down.
        \_ occam's razor:  news has leaked to the big brokerages that govt is
           amenable to wiping out equity in a de facto nationalization.  arthur
           levitt (former sec chair) did two bloomberg podcasts on this
           yesterday and today.
           \_ Also, observe what happened in England.
              \_ hell, even Krugman wrote a piece on this a couple days ago
                 \_ Which one, the bad bank one? "Wall Street Voodoo?" He
                    doesn't exactly mention nationalization, just says that
                    the TARP is a bad idea.
2009/1/19-26 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:52417 Activity:nil
1/19    I hate my newspaper.  The Obama inaguration has been on the front page
        for four days so far.  WTF? How is that even news, let alone front
        page news?  Let alone 4 days worth of front page news?
        \_ Presidential inaugurations are always front page news, aren't they?
        \_ didn't you get the memo? racism is over, we can now tell them
           what we really think of Rap and R&B!!
        \_ All this pageantry seems unnecessary.  Just swear the poor bastard
           in, thank him for volunteering, and let him get on with his
           really, really hard job.
2009/1/15-23 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:52396 Activity:nil
1/15    http://www.cnn.com/2009/TECH/01/15/obama.internet.president/index.html
        Obama 2.0 to reboot the economy. WTFBBQLOL.
2009/1/9-12 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:52348 Activity:nil
1/8     Whacky Berkeley Liberals on the loose waving American flags:
        http://tinyurl.com/9zqnx4 (Boston.com)
2009/1/6-12 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:52326 Activity:low
1/6     URL speaks for itself, really
        \_ Is Art Bell a Republican?
           \_ Your reading comprehension has been classified as: lacking.
              \_ You must not have read all the comments...
2009/1/6-9 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:52322 Activity:nil
1/5     What happened to Separation of Church and State?  Where did all these
        churchy Dems come from?
        \_ conservative democrat is the new republican
           \_ Going to church != conservative.  Or do you think Obama's a
              \_ http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-10133425-38.html
                 I think he's something we haven't seen in a long time.
                 \_ Pragmatic?
                    \_ he's a good republican.
2008/12/30-2009/1/7 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:52304 Activity:kinda low
12/29   Candidate for chairmainship of GOP *improves* his chances by
        distributing "Barack The Magic Negro" songs:
        \_ He should have put a Confederate flag on the album jacket.
        \_ What do Powell and Rice have to say about this?
        \_ This article is total FAIL for not even mentioning what a Magic
           Negro is.
           \_ Everyone knows that a a Magic Negro is like a Magic Dragon, only
              \_ Actually, "Magic Negro" was a term popularized by neocon
                 white bigots such as Spike Lee and Dave Chappelle, but
                 don't let that get in the way of making yourself feel
                 \_ And while this is true, it doesn't change the implied
                    racism of the term when used by white GOP hacks to dismiss
                    Obama as nothing more than a stereotype and trope. Cf.
                    why Chappelle eventually stopped doing The Chappelle Show:
                    people were laughing with the racism, not at it.
                    \_ I thought the reason was that he was no longer doing
                       comedy for comedy's sake and that writing jokes for money
                       was killing him.
                       comedy for comedy's sake and that writing jokes for
                       money was killing him.
                       \_ http://csua.org/u/n7h (Transcript of interview with
                          Anderson Cooper.)
                    \_ And here I thought you guys were supposed to understand
                       nuance. I'll give you a hint. Calling Obama a Magic
                       Negro isn't as much an insult directed at Obama as it is
                       an insult directed at his supporters and his rise to
                       power. It's about as racist as calling Bush a chimp.
                       \_ In order for you to offer us a hint, you'd have to
                          have a clue. Calling Obama a Magic Negro implies that
                          he's a cardboard caricature expected to magically
                          solve white people's problems; regardless of the
                          accuracy of the implication that Obama's supporters
                          delude themselves, the premise continues to rely on a
                          black caricature, and therein lies the racism. A
                          more appropriate, better targeted term for Obama's
                          supporters, as you see them, is "pollyanna," named
                          after the literary character who only ever saw the
                          bright side of the world, no matter what shit was
                          flung at her.
           \_ Actually, it is the GOP that was just the total FAIL.  And given
              what they're up to lately, I expect that FAIL to continue for
              the next four years.  Welcome to the wilderness, boys.
              \_ we're happy to wander it just like Our Lord had to.
2008/12/19-28 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/RepublicanMedia] UID:52282 Activity:nil
12/19   "Obama has proved himself repeatedly to be a very tolerant, very
        rational-sounding sort of bigot."
        \_ John Cloud?  The guy who wrote the puff piece on Ann Coulter in
           \_ And defended Coulter calling Edwards a faggot if I
              remember correctly.
        \_ welcome to america, if you don't like it, GET OUT
2008/12/17-21 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:52265 Activity:kinda low
12/17   Obama, chillin'
           \_ but that pic rocks.
        \- shut up paolo
           \_ but that pic rocks.
2008/12/12-17 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:52237 Activity:high
12/12   Turns out it was the Dems in the senate who stopped the bailout
        \_ Right. And the Democrats are the ones who got us into the War
           in Iraq. Uh huh.
           \_ Uh, the vote for cloture was 52, with 4 D's voting nay and 4 not
              voting.  You think that's up for debate?
              \_ The vote was as follows:
                 Democrats: 42 Y 4 N 4 A
                 Republicans: 10 Y 40 N(and A)
                 And your conclusion is that the Democrats "stopped the
                 bailout" right?
        \_ Keep on pretending.
        \_ Good for them.  I'm disappointed that more aren't against it.  -tom
           \_ Woah, tom & I agree on something? -emarkp
              \_ tom, you, and I agree on this. But we're bound to agree
                 on tautologies, like oxygen is necessary for living,
                 drinking water is good for you, literacy is good etc.  -pollux
         \_ Yes, I figured this was implicit in my comment--an issue on
            which there are legitimate opinions on either side. -emarkp
            \_ socialising failure and communism for the rich is
               not a legitimate reason.  Historically this is chrysler
               bailout #2 so, so philosophically, morally, and
               historically this bailout shouldn't happen.  -pollux
               \_ who cares if we bailed out Chrysler before.  We bailed out
                  the world of finance in the 80s, why did we bail them out
                  \_ you had your socialist empire, it failed, leave us
                     alone.  No bailouts.
        \_ so we give 800 billion to the banks, and we cant give 15 bill
           to the industrial base?   great.
           \_ If you want the government to invest in the country's industrial
              base, then is handing 15-34 billion to these three companies
              really the best way to go about it?  Consider that this is more
              than these three companies put together are worth.
              \_ No, I think the idea is more that we can't afford another
                 1M unemployed right now.
              \_ It's time for poetic justice; we should have the auto
                 makers declare bankruptcy, and give their assets to
                 Amtrak, who will use them to develop trolley systems in
                 cities nationwide.  -tom
                 \_ There are about, what, eight cities in the nation that
                    would benefit by this? Fewer? And how many of those don't
                    already have a trolley or similar?
                    \_ I was joking, but every city would benefit by having
                       a trolley system.  Every city *did* benefit by having
                       a trolley system; they were widespread in the early
                       20th century.  They only were killed because of a
                       typically unfortunate marriage of politics and greed.
                       \_ Only in the sense that every city would also benefit
                          by having free public helicopter service.
                          \_ The ROI on commuter rail in most American cities
                             is better than ROI on roads.  -tom
        \_ Why was the plan blocked? An e-mail message circulated among Senate
           Republicans declared ... an opportunity ... to "take their first
           shot against organized labor."
           \_ i can fake email headers too
              \_ http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/15/opinion/15kristol.html
2008/12/11-16 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:52224 Activity:moderate
12/11   Congress makes me sick. They forked over $700B to the banks with
    less hand-wringing. $15B is chump change. Just do it. They don't
    deserve it, but neither did the banks.
        \_ The $700B was a loan.
           \_ and we're gonna get every penny back, with interest!  or how
              about this:  it would have been much worse if we hadn't loaned
              them $700B. obama and mccain both said it - it must be true. -!op
              \_ We will get some of it back, it is hard to say right now
                 how much. FDR's HOLC was closed at a profit (for the
                 \_ it depends on what the meaning of "profit" is, and for that
                    matter, "refinance"
                 \_ it depends on what the meaning of "profit" is
        \_ The $700B was sold as a way to free up the tight credit by buying
           assets.  Then Paulson immediately used the money differently from
           how it was promised, and congress failed to appoint any oversight
           (by comparison, the Afghanistan and Iraq campaigns have cost a total
           of $864B as of June 30, 2008 http://opencrs.com/document/Rl33110
           Maybe they don't want to hand out more money given how successful
           (NOT!) the previous bailout was?
           \_ For $15B when $700B was already doled out? It's in the noise.
              \_ Of course, $700B has not already been doled out.
2008/12/9-12 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:52217 Activity:nil
12/9    The book burners of the left
        \_ What the fuck are you talking about?  Are you insane or just
        \_ I think I'm stupider for having read that.
        \_ Your reading comprehension is poor.
2008/12/9-12 [Politics/Domestic/911, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:52211 Activity:nil
12/9    Can someone shed some light on the Blagojevich arrest?
        \_ Apparently, he was trying to turn his power to appoint
           Obama's replacement on the Senate into financial gain
           for himself.  Straightforward abuse of public power.
           If he were demanding concessions for his state, he
           might have got away with "selling" the senate seat.
           \_ What makes him such a colossally stupid douche
              is that he was already under investigation - for
              some 3 years apparently.  It was likely common
              knowledge that his office and phones were
           \_ Restoring honor and dignity to the White House.
              \_ What the fuck are you spewing about?  There's
                 no evidence that Obama did anything improper
                 at all - in fact, the exact opposite would
                 appear to be the case.
                 \_ Yeah, part of the reason dude started trying to
                    sell the senate seat is because Obama refused to
                    offer this dude "favors" in return for his top
                    \_ Well, didn't offer them quickly enough.
                       \_ Uh, what?
2008/12/8-12 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:52207 Activity:nil
12/8    So $600B stimulus didn't work, let's try $1T!!!
        \_ Your article doesn't say what you're saying.
2008/12/8-12 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:52200 Activity:low 100%like:52197
12/8    Andrew Sullivan has become truly unhinged
        \_ funny.  what if he's right?
           \_ What if the 9/11 truthers are right?
              \_ I truly do not think Bush is smart enough to lead a diabolical
                 conspiracy consisting of 10s of thousands to bomb the WTC
                 with thermite.
              \_ The difference being that the Truthers have had their theories
                 debunked with facts, whereas Sullivan's questions have only
                 been answered with assertions. How hard is it to produce the
                 birth certificate? Frankly, I wouldn't care, except that she
                 seems determined to make herself a GOP fixture.
                 \_ Given the scenario, the birth certificate would be faked as
                    well.  That wouldn't prove anything.
                    \_ Wasn't Obama really born in Kenya?
                    \_ At least it would provide something other than
                       "'cos I said so."
                 \_ What scenario could occur that would give the wackos
                    enough proof besides video footage of Obama ejecting
                    from the womb in Hawaii?
                    \_ Videos can be faked. This is the same crowd that
                       believes that the moon landings were faked as well:
        \_ I find this far more entertaining than the Obama was born in Kenya
           conspiracy.  I guess it really is Berkeley's fault.
        \_ Do you call Malkin "truly unhinged" as well?
2008/12/8-11 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/RepublicanMedia] UID:52198 Activity:nil
12/9    Takeover strike:
2008/12/8-9 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:52197 Activity:very high 100%like:52200
12/8    Andrew Sullivan has become truly unhinged
        \_ please shorten this for the 80 char dinosaurs in audience
        \_ funny.  what if he's right?
           \_ What if the 9/11 truthers are right?
              \_ I truly do not think Bush is smart enough to lead a diabolical
                 conspiracy consisting of 10s of thousands to bomb the WTC
                 with thermite.
              \_ The difference being that the Truthers have had their theories
                 debunked with facts, whereas Sullivan's questions have only
                 been answered with assertions. How hard is it to produce the
                 birth certificate? Frankly, I wouldn't care, except that she
                 seems determined to make herself a GOP fixture.
                 \_ Given the scenario, the birth certificate would be faked as
                    well.  That wouldn't prove anything.
                    \_ Wasn't Obama really born in Kenya?
                    \_ At least it would provide something other than
                       "'cos I said so."
                 \_ What scenario could occur that would give the wackos
                    enough proof besides video footage of Obama ejecting
                    from the womb in Hawaii?
                    \_ Videos can be faked. This is the same crowd that
                       believes that the moon landings were faked as well:
        \_ I find this far more entertaining than the Obama was born in Kenya
           conspiracy.  I guess it really is Berkeley's fault.
        \_ Do you call Malkin "truly unhinged" as well?
2008/12/5-10 [Politics/Domestic/911, Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Others] UID:52182 Activity:nil
12/5    asians are bad bad bad
        \_ Don't give your Myspace info to shady Vietnamese dudes
           \_ Gee is a Cantonese last name. Are you racist or something?
              \_ all look same
        \_ You know, if only she had a CCW permit and a gun...    -chico dude
2008/12/3-7 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:52155 Activity:nil
12/3    Chambliss (R) wins in GA:
        http://preview.tinyurl.com/69ppdp [wash. post]
2008/12/3-8 [Politics/Domestic/RepublicanMedia, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:52153 Activity:nil
12/3    When politicians lose elections, they often claim it's because the
        voters were stupid.  Here's an interesting new survey:
        - 35 % of McCain voters got 10 or more of 13 questions correct.
        - 18% of Obama voters got 10 or more of 13 questions correct.
        - McCain voters knew which party controls congress by a 63-27 margin.
        - Obama voters got the 'congressional control' question wrong by 43-41.
        - Those that got 'congressional control' correct voted 56-43 for
        - Those that got 'congressional control' wrong voted 65-35 for Obama.
        Audiences of Fox News got 'congressional control' correct 64-25
        Audiences of CNN got 'congressional control' correct 48-38
        Audiences of Network news got 'congressional control' correct 48-39
        Audiences of print media got 'congressional control' correct 52-37
        Audiences of MSNBC got 'congressional control' correct 55-35
        Audiences of talk radio got 'congressional control' correct 61-29
        \_ How many of those McCain voters still believe that one's
           sexual inclination is a matter of CHOICE despite scientific
           studies and consensus from the scientific community, and that
           gayness can be cured by God?
        \_ I'm not surprised. Average and mediam McCain voters are much much
           older and thus have more time to absorb information. Having that
           said, there is a big distinction between knowledge and
           intelligence. McCain voters may know more about congressional
           control but their stubborness and intelligence says something
           else completely about them.
        \_ This says more about the media than about the voters
        \_ I remember when a majority of Bush voters in 2004 thought that we
           had found WMD in Iraq.
        \_ It helps to have a link to the survey.
           \_ But if he linked to it, the biases would become way too obvious!
            \_ DingDingDingDing!
        \_ I agree with you, it is the Media's Fault that McCain lost. All
           you Republicans need to do is swing hard right, nominate Palin
           and do everthing you can to get your message out. The best way
           to do this is send hundreds of emails directly to reporters,
           correcting all the errors and biases in their reporting.
2008/11/26-29 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:52110 Activity:nil
11/25   McCain says we will run again in 2010:
        (Ha, made you click the link). Rick roll please...
        \_ Never gonna something something
           never gonna something something
2008/11/24-28 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:52095 Activity:nil
11/23   i know the election is over and all, but I want to gloat a TINY
        bit ok and I'll go away, thanks.  here:
        "I don't know, because I remember the discussion about Africa, my
        concern has been the atrocities there in Darfur and the relevance to
        me with that issue, as we spoke about Africa and some of the countries
        there that were kind of the people succumbing to the dictators and the
        corruption of some collapsed governments on the continent, the
        relevance was Alaska's investment in Darfur with some of our
        permanent fund dollars, I wanted to make sure that that didn't happen
        \_ http://cavett.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/11/14/the-wild-wordsmith-of-wasilla
        \_ Palin is awesome.  She got the first black man elected President
           of the freakin' UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.  I salute you, Sarah Palin.
           No, really, it couldn't have happened without you.  Now I wish you
           would go back into obscurity.  ok I'm done gloating.
2008/11/23-29 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Computer/Networking] UID:52083 Activity:nil
11/22   What's the best way to dispose old pagers, old cell phones, etc?
        \_ http://www.wirelessfoundation.org/CallToProtect
        \_ http://greencitizen.com   is good if you're in SF/bay area.
2008/11/21 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:52064 Activity:nil
11/21   Franken's continuing efforts to steal an election
2008/11/21-28 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/President/Reagan] UID:52063 Activity:nil
11/21   Remaining GOP activists want to turn the Party further to The Right:
        http://tinyurl.com/6m4xsv (TPM)
        Note I predicted this a year ago, luckily (?) with the way information
        moves, it shouldn't take them 12 years to discover that extremism is
        a losing strategy, the way it did with the Dems.
        \_ You do know that McCain was about as left as you can go and still be
           in the GOP, right?
           \_ You don't know what left means do you?
           \_ I think that Guliani and Schwartzenner are both more liberal,
              actually. Other than immigration policy and campaign finance
              reform, McCain was pretty solidly conservative, right?
              reform, McCain is pretty solidly conservative, right?
        \_ I don't think McCain held many non very conservative views.  That
           was not his appeal.
2008/11/17 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:52015 Activity:high
11/17   How Obama got elected
        \_ I'm not sure what asking people what they think of 150k for
           clothes, barney frank (here's a hint, HE IS GAY!!!! LULZ!!!!!)
           and harry reid accomplishes.
           You know why Obama won?  He's a good speaker, he has a good
           squeaky clean image, he didnt choose a complete dumbshit like Palin
           to be his running mate, the  economy cratered, and the Republicans
           in the endgame ran a really  sleazy campaign that turned off
           undecided voters.  It's not  because of the media or a stupid
           youtube video with 'o bama o bama' on infinite loop.  Get over it,
           you  lost.
           squeaky clean image, he didnt choose a clueless ignorant unknown
           like Palin to be his running mate, the economy cratered, and the
           Republicans in the endgame ran a really sleazy campaign that
           turned off undecided voters.  It's not because of the media or
           a stupid youtube video with 'o bama obama' on infinite loop.
           Get over it, you lost. The Republicans didnt present a plan for
           the economy, all they did was chant SOCIALSIM and repeat 'Obama
           pals around with terrorists!' over and over.  You know you don't
           do?  Don't say your opponent is a terrorist.  You undermine
           AMERICA if he wins.  Screw off Republican strategists.
           \_ See, the questions were about facts, not opinions. And the
              respondents got the facts wrong quite a bit.
        \_ Still bitter eh?
        \_ You should go off and form a bitter Government-In-Exile.
2008/11/15-26 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/911, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51994 Activity:nil
11/16   America: not racist anymore!
        \_ is that why people are celebrating, b/c their white guilt is over?
2008/11/14-26 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51990 Activity:nil
11/14   Obama faces more threats than any other president-elect
        \_ The 9-per-centers have really lost it.
        \_ Obviously. There are a lot of KKK and closet racists out there.
2008/11/14-26 [Finance/Banking, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51985 Activity:nil
11/14   An overly long article directed to Obama on how he should fix the
        farm/food system.  I actually agree with some of his points, but
        he does go little overboard toward the end.
        http://csua.org/u/mxv (NYTimes)
        \_ Forget the government, count on saving yourselves! This is a
           GREAT time for you savers to wait it out, and in a few years,
           everything will be super cheap and you'll buy properties
           and stocks that'll go up tremendously when Obama-socialism
           is over. This is the secret recipe that wealthy folks have
           used for ages. Of course, if you never had a lot of savings,
           then it's a different story.
           \_ savings? what is left will be taken by the government
           \_ Yes dear.  That's nice.  Now have some tea.
           \_ What does this have to do with the farm bill?
           \_ lulz
2008/11/14-26 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51972 Activity:nil 84%like:51944
11/12   lulz Shephard Smith learned something in school
        I wonder when he'll jump networks.
        \_ His comment about the media contradicts the media's statements
           about the media.
           \_ Actually his comment is an answer to that.  Obama got better
              media coverage because he was the better candidate for the time.
2008/11/13-26 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51969 Activity:nil
11/13   75 percent approval rating. This is what leadership looks like:
        \_ No, it's what the inverse of Bush's approval rating looks like.
           Let's see Obama execute on something before we annoint him.  -tom
2008/11/12-26 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush, Politics/Domestic/Election, Reference/Law/Court] UID:51947 Activity:nil
11/12   http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSTRE4AB8KG20081112
        Appeals court upholds Jefferson charges
        Dear "Why aren't they going after Jefferson?!?!?"-guy: they are.
        And now the man gets due process. If, like Stevens, he's convicted by
        a jury of his peers, calls for his resignation will be heartily
        \_ LOL.
           \_ it's teh 'lolz', not lol.
2008/11/12-14 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51944 Activity:low 84%like:51972
11/12   big lulz Shephard Smith possibly learned something in school
        I wonder when he'll jump networks.
        \_ wtf is a conservative comedian?
           \_ it is CONSERVATIVE LULZ
              \_ it is pretty weird to claim Obama lost the election.
                 \_ Shephard Smith is a Manchurian journalist
                    \_ LOL. LOL DUDE.
                     \_ what is a manchurian woman?
        \_ His comment about the media contradicts the media's statements
           about the media.
           \_ Actually his comment is an answer to that.  Obama got better
              media coverage because he was the better candidate for the time.
2008/11/12 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:51938 Activity:moderate
11/12   ZOMG http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSTRE4A117D200
        \_ lulz
           \_ Are you talking to yourself, or are you having a cabinet
              meeting in your head again?
              \_ ZIGOM.
                 \_ ???????????
           \_ Please remove the LOLBERTROSS from around your neck.
              \_ ZMOG norcal!!!!!!
2008/11/12-13 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51936 Activity:nil
11/12   Speaking of LOL, is Palin going to be running for president for the next
        four years?
2008/11/11-26 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51915 Activity:nil
11/11   Classy Republicans:
        \_ election is over dude, you won.
           \_ angry sysadmin says
              chance of Obama doing the right thing:  10%
              chance of McCain doing the right thing:  0%
              -> we lose
              \_ chance of BushCo trying to pass thru legislations that will
                 fuck over the country while still being in power cos we're
                 all too busy congratulating each other and not looking: 100%
              \_ Mathematically, 10 over 0 is an infinite ratio. So
                 Obama is still infinitely better than McCain.
              \_ Angry sysadmin is muttering under his breath about revolution,
                 quoting the Declaration of Independence on his blog and
                 stocking up on ammo.
                 \_ Angry sysadmins are great.  They pretty much exist to
                    be prodded and mocked.
                    \_ lol
                    \_ "lulz"
2008/11/10-13 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51900 Activity:nil
11/10   Poor Obama zombies (onion video)
2008/11/10 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51894 Activity:nil
11/10   WaPo admits their coverage of the election was biased.
        \_ Did you ever think it was possible that Obama was the better
           candidate who ran a better campaign and therefore got better
           press coverage?
2008/11/10-12 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51891 Activity:nil
11/10   Which one is a hotter MILF?  (Or are they?)
        Cindy McCain:
        Sarah Palin:
        \_ The hormones screaming in my brain say Palin since she is still
           of breeding age.  I reallydoubt McCain needs birth control anymore.
           \_ Isn't she 44?
           of breeding age.  I really doubt McCain needs birth control anymore.
           \_ Isn't Palin 44?
              \_ she's still fertile, somehow!
                 \_ Downs Syndrome kids!
        \_ Michelle Obama: .
        \_ Trickled down Nancy Reagan: .
2008/11/10-12 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51890 Activity:low
11/9    86% of Bailout Money Used for Executive Bonuses
        Thanks Obama!
        \_ Obama?  huh?  he is not even the President yet.
        \_ I don't think this is an Obama thing. I don't have enough time right
           now to check out the figures cited by the Alternet article linked
           to by the link you posted.  layers on layers on layers.
        \_ Two words:  firing squad.
        \_ Isn't this the Bush/Paulson plan?
           \_ Yes, but they'll never let facts get in the way of stupidity.
           \_ no. this is the plan Obama created according to Pelosi
                approved by Congress then signed by Bush
              \_ Attribution?
2008/11/8-13 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51884 Activity:nil
11/8    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/uselection2008/sarahpalin/3405336/Sarah-Palin-blamed-by-the-US-Secret-Service-for-death-threats-against-Barack-Obama.html
        \_ 120 cols please
2008/11/7-13 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51881 Activity:very high
11/7    Obama's draft goes down the memory hole
        http://tinyurl.com/63mbfa (LGF)
        \_ Oh please, let me quote the GOP from when that pompous cybersec guy
           came to ask cs studentds help in 02.  "GET OVER IT."
        \_ You guys are irrelevant. No one cares what you think anymore.
           Shut up and eat your Freedom Fries.
           \_ Don't you care at all about the president elect?  If he lies,
              does it matter?  If he breaks promises, does it matter?
              \_ Little Green Footballs - yep, nobody cares what they think.
                 \_ Sigh. The post shows screenshots of how the page has
                    changed.  It's fairly spread over the blogosphere now.
                    Pick a source you're not scared of for your facts and
                    you should be able to find it.
                    \_ What's really sad is that you apparently think web
                       site revisions are something sinister.
                       \_ Policy changes via website revision.  Oh, and $40/hr
                          for "volunteerism" now.
                          \_ Actually I remember him talking about tax credits
                             for college volenteer service back when he was on
                             the stump.
                    \_ Dittohead Grieving Status: Denial
                     \_ How will you be able to tell when it hits Anger?
                        \_ That would imply progress. Dittoheads are
                           agin' progress.
           \_ Now that Obama has won, there will never be another
              Republican in the government!  Dems will rule for 1000 years!
              \_ Someday the Republicans will be in power again, but it won't
                 be soon and it certainly won't be with Palin.
                 64% of Republicans want Palin as the 2012 nominee. I
                 sincerely hope that she is, so the Democratic Party can get
                 one of those 49 state landslides Reagan got.
                 \_ Really, it's quite amazing you let the press manipulate
                    your impression of her.
                    \_ Really, it's quite amazing how deluded you are.
                    \_ I wasn't being sarcastic. I really would like nothing
                       better than for the Republicans to nominate her for
                       President in 2012.
                    \_ Did she or didn't she sneeringly and contemptuously
                       refer to Obama's "San Francisco friends" in front of
                       100M people in her first serious public appearance?
                       That's me! She treats me with comtempt and I am supposed
                       That's me! She treats me with contempt and I am supposed
                       to turn the other cheek? I am not that kind of guy.
        \_ Dude, your eight years are up.  SHUT THE FUCK UP.  GO AWAY.
           YOU LOST.
           \_ Obama bought the election:
              \_ Dittohead desperation level: Warp 7
2008/11/7-13 [Politics/Domestic/SIG, Politics/Domestic/California/Arnold, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51880 Activity:nil
11/7    Why I'm not buying GOOG (special interest & conflict of interest):
        \_ You know at this point I think GOOG in all honesty does not care
           even a tiny tiny tiny bit whether an individual investor wants
           to buy their stock.
2008/11/7-13 [Politics/Domestic/Crime, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51877 Activity:low
11/7    Obama's plans to require students to serve.
        \_ Yes, so? Isn't that better than kids staying home and playing
           Nintendo all day? Or doing drugs and hanging out with gangsters?
           How is this different than mandatory physical education in
           in school, is that also bad for kids?
              \_ http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20081108/pl_nm/us_usa_guns_1
                 And you thought you were just being funny...
        \_ Did you see the post below about slavery?  Same thing.
           \_ Sorry the assmastery threw me off.
              \_ Added by an asshat after the post
        \_ Old truths have been relearned; untruths have been unlearned.
           We have always known that heedless self-interest was bad morals;
           we know now that it is bad economics. Out of the collapse of a
           prosperity whose builders boasted their practicality has come the
           conviction that in the long run economic morality pays. We are
           beginning to wipe out the line that divides the practical from the
           ideal; and in so doing we are fashioning an instrument of unimagined
           power for the establishment of a morally better world. -FDR, 1936
           \_ That was while FDR was prolonging the depression
              http://tinyurl.com/56dqd4   [ucla.edu]
              \_ FDR's policies probably would prolonged the depression
                 even longer if not for the FOUR HORSEMEN
              \_ Krugman thinks you are wrong:
                 \_ Krugman isn't an Economist anymore, he's just another lefty
                    commentator.  Furthermore, the one link doesn't address the
                    UCLA study, and the other is 13 years old.
                    \_ Yeah, anyone who disagrees with you is a "lefty
                       commentator" we got that the first 1000 times you said
                       it. Even the one's with Nobel Prizes aren't as worthy
                       as the anonymous contributors to LGF.
               \_ http://tinyurl.com/6naawz
                  Stop Lying About Roosevelt's Record
2008/11/7-13 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:51874 Activity:nil 80%like:51860 80%like:51873
11/6    Obama to bring back slavery:
        \_ u mean communism
           \_ Yeah, I like Communism. Capitalism didn't work too well
              under GWB.
              \_ I thought GWB was a neocon and that neocon = socialism + war
              \_ how are you going to spend your 100 hours ? scraping gum?
        \_ say bye to the 13th amendment - Executive Order on the way
        \_ That's an unfortunate sysadmin error there.
        \_ They really need to change that Redirect to a Rewrite
           \_ Good point, I will contact the campaign and get them to fix it.
           \_ Fixed, thanks for the heads up.
2008/11/7 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:51873 Activity:nil 80%like:51874
11/6    Obama to bring back slavery:
        \_ u mean communism
           \_ Yeah, I like Communism. Capitalism didn't work too well
              under GWB.
              \_ I thought GWB was a neocon and that neocon = socialism + war
              \_ how are you going to spend your 100 hours ? scraping gum?
        \_ say bye to the 13th amendment - Executive Order on the way
        \_ That's an unfortunate sysadmin error there.
        \_ They really need to change that Redirect to a Rewrite
2008/11/7-13 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51869 Activity:nil
11/7    Journalism is dead, all hail the new Obama department of Truth!
        \_ Unlabeled links are dead. All hail labeling your links.
        \_ Mormon power! Prop 8 is alive! Religion CAN control .gov!
           \_ Muslims, Catholics, etc. voted similarly.  And?
        \_ Your link has been classified as: dumb.
2008/11/6-13 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/President/Reagan] UID:51864 Activity:nil
11/6    How a photographer can change opinion, subtlely via lighting,
        composition, contrast, color:
        \_ A couple years ago someone posted a link on motd which was a
           headshot of Dubya taken with a wide-angle lens at close-up distance.
           He looked stupid in that picture.  The photog did it on purpose
           according to the poster.
2008/11/6-7 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:51860 Activity:high 80%like:51874
11/6    Obama to bring back slavery:
        \_ u mean communism
           \_ Yeah, I like Communism. Capitalism didn't work too well
              under GWB.
              \_ I thought GWB was a neocon and that neocon = socialism + war
              \_ how are you going to spend your 100 hours ? scraping gum?
        \_ say bye to the 13th amendment - Executive Order on the way
2008/11/6-13 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51857 Activity:nil
11/6    Bawahaha.  Black woman in Chicago randomly slaps copy saying. "White
        [expletive], [expletive] McCain--you white police can't do nothing
        anymore."  She was arrested of course.
        \_ whoever posted this... RACIST!
           \_ Stop labeling the wrong people.
        \_ Thanks for filling my day with a little more stupid.
        \_ we are all post racial now.
        \_ Further proof that even a good candidate can't cure the stupid.
2008/11/6-13 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51854 Activity:nil
11/6    "Palin was unaware that Africa was a continent, arguing that South
        Africa was simply a region of the larger country of Africa."
        Glad that she didnt' become VP.
        \_ Glad that rumor is a pile of shit.
           \_ Glad people voting for her piece of shit lost.
           \_ s/rumor/on the record fact/g
        \_ http://gawker.com/5067135/little-piper-palins-790-designer-handbag
        \_ http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20081108/pl_nm/us_usa_election_palin_1
           Palin fires back, calling her critics "jerks."
2008/11/4-5 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51834 Activity:nil 52%like:51815
11/4    Starbucks offering a free 'tall' to anyone who voted today.
        \_ oh i thought you wrote "tail"
        I bet more Obama people are addicted to coffee than McCain people.
        \_ Starbucks appeals to yuppies. Young urban professionals who
           think they're smart and hang out at bookstores. They also
           tend to be more liberal. Starbucks knows this all too well,
           and they're influencing poll results. Good job. Let's tell
           conservatives to fuck off.
           \_ Have you actually been to a starbucks in the last decade?
           \_ Who doesn't try to influence poll results in the way he/she/it
        \_ Do you have to show proof?
        \_ Isn't this against the law?
           \_ No
           \_ Offering free coffee to people who say they voted is not
        \_ URL please?  I don't see this on its web site.
2008/11/4-5 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51831 Activity:kinda low
11/4    Why are there so many white people at the McCain rally? Tune
        to NBC right now. McCain loser speech is filled with all
        white people. Why?
        \_ Good concession speech though.
           \_ Definitely a good speech, but his crowd sucked.
        \_ Minority power!
        \_ Likewise for the celebration parties.  I'm watching Ch7 right now,
        \_ Likewise for the celebration parties.  I was watching Ch7,
           and it's vast mostly black people in the street parties.
           \_ OMG BLACK PEOPLE!
              \_ KFC is running out of chicken. News at 11.
2008/11/4-5 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/RepublicanMedia] UID:51826 Activity:nil
11/4    CNN say Obama 52% McCain 44% while FoxNews says 49/49 each.
        What's up with the discrepancy?
2008/11/4 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51825 Activity:nil
11/4    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27531033
        Obama wins Ohio and projected to win! I hope this sends a chilling
        message to y'all rich, white, and/or religious male:
        FUCK YOU ALL! We don't want you in power anymore. FUCK YOU!
        YA BABY!!!!! Minority power!!! America is changing whether
        you like it or not!
2008/11/4-5 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51824 Activity:nil
11/4    Rock Obama: The Barack Obama Musical
2008/11/4-5 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51823 Activity:nil
11/4    What graphical/topo map web site do you guys use to track latest poll
        results live? Does it show trend, volumn, etc easily?
        \_ Where can I find live results for Prop 8? I really want to
           know where people stand on Prop 8, geographically.
        \_ http://maps.google.com/help/maps/elections/#2008_election
        \_ http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008
        \_ NYT iPhone dashboard (webpage, not a stupid, buggy app):
2008/11/4 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51815 Activity:low 52%like:51834
11/4    Starbucks offering a free 'tall' to anyone who voted today.
        I bet more Obama people are addicted to coffee than McCain people.
        \_ Starbucks appeals to yuppies. Young urban professionals who
           think they're smart and hang out at bookstores. They also
           tend to be more liberal. Starbucks knows this all too well,
           and they're influencing poll results. Good job. Let's tell
           conservatives to fuck off.
           \_ Have you actually been to a starbucks in the last decade?
           \_ Who doesn't try to influence poll results in the way he/she/it
        \_ Do you have to show proof?
        \_ Isn't this against the law?
           \_ No
           \_ Offering free coffee to people who say they voted is not
        \_ URL please?  I don't see this on its web site.
2008/11/4-5 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51812 Activity:nil
11/4    It's my first time to vote.  What prevents me from voting twice by
        both mailing in my ballot and voting at a poll place?  Thx.
        \_ nothing.  well besides the fact that the local fed prosecutor
           could focus their resources on you and send you to jail for voter
           fraud.  I think it happened to someone a couple years ago.
        \_ I know in Santa Clara you can track online whether your vote has
           been received by ballot ID
        \_ If you chose to receive an absentee ballot, this is noted on
           the rolls at your assigned voting location. If you show up without
           your absentee ballot, you can ask to be given a provisional ballot;
           provisional ballots are checked out after the election to determine
           legitimacy, so when they see your absentee ballot has already been
           submitted, they will simply reject your provisional ballot.
2008/11/3-5 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51805 Activity:moderate
11/3  http://www.johnmccain.com/undecided/compare.htm
      Well, there you have it.
      \- ^undecided^fool-deserving-of-being-treated-with-codescention
         \_ When flaming someone, be sure to spell-check
            \- who is flaming anyone? i am suggesting that website doesnt
               speak to reasonable undecided people but is insulting and
               says something about the creators.
              speak to reasonable undecided people but is insulting and says
              something about the creators.
            \_ I didn't post this as a pro-McCain post.  It's a funny
               graphic.  -- moderate conservative/libertarian who can't
                            support McCain/Palin (op)
2008/11/3-5 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51801 Activity:nil
11/3    "Obama's grandmother dies a day before election"
        Poor lady.  Couldn't hang in there for even one more day.
        \- i'm pretty unsentimental at the passing of strangers
           but this is poignant and moving. it's like a literary
           epic part of "obama story".
           \_ So... does her absentee ballot count or not?
        \_ Unless of course he loses, then many it's a good thing.
        \_ Unless of course he loses, then maybe it's a good thing.
        \_ He's not gonna lose.
           \- i think it's kinda funny how many rational scientific
              non-supersticious believers in science/math/stat are
              worried about generating bad mojo and assuming it is
              a "slam dunk".
        \_ Even his grandmother would rather die than live under his
        \_ that pic he has of him and her that they gave to CNN for
           the story is one of the best pieces of propaganda i've seen.
2008/11/3 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Gay, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51788 Activity:moderate
11/3    Obama, a former constitutional law professor, said last year that he
        would look for candidates with "the heart, the empathy, to recognize
        what it's like to be a teenage mom. The empathy to understand what
        it's like to be poor, or African American, or gay, or disabled, or
        old."  Oh good, wouldn't want judges to just, you know, apply the law.
        \_ This was on the motd 6 days ago.
        \_ GOOD. I hate rich white people. They need to get the fuck
           out of MY California.
        \_ The implication is that under judges appointed by the GOP, the law
           has not been applied fairly to the people he lists. His appointments
           would bring balance to the Force. He is the vergence.
2008/11/2-4 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51778 Activity:low
11/1    Report from Miami: it rains 20 times a day in this god forsaken
        place. No one is white. The food is good and everyone is very nice,
        especially when they find out I am here to campaign for Obama. The
        nice young woman that checked me in waited five hours to vote early
        for Obama.
        \_ You're in the wrong place. Get upstate where they're more
           bayou inbred to do some good and change some minds. But good
           luck, man.
           \_ wasn't that hard.  Just isolate the republican southern genteel
              And point out to them that Obama is the real old-style republican.
              Already switched 3 registerd GOP to vode for Obama.
              \_ Most Southerns do not believe in blacks, period.
2008/11/1-3 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51775 Activity:nil
11/1    Man I love French Canadians:
2008/10/31-11/2 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/Immigration] UID:51772 Activity:nil
10/31   This is it baby, the October Surprise we have been waiting for:
        \_ Dittohead Desperation Level: Cosmic
        \_ Awesome, because if that's all there is this thing is over.
        \_ What appened to the swift boat group?
        \_ Leaked by federal law enforcement to a Murdoch newspaper.  Nice.
2008/10/30-31 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51751 Activity:high
10/30   Who will have the hottest post election President sex, Obama McCain
        Biden Paolo or Palin?
        \_ Obama on Hillary.
           \_ NSFW
2008/10/30 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51746 Activity:high 50%like:51736
        \_ The Obama Administration's slogan will be
           \_ I like OSAMA, HERO OF ISLAM
           \_ Obama transliterates to "He is with us" in Persian. Oo bah mah.
           \_ Obama transliterates to "He will impale us" in Persian.
              Oo bah mah.
              \_ Are you sure it isn't "He who feeds on the blood of
                 the innocent"?  Oob ahm ah.
2008/10/30-31 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51744 Activity:nil
        \_ Sounds great.  Are they atoning yet for endorsing Bush?
           \_ I thought they endorsed Kerry last time around.
               \_  Well they definitely endorsed W in 2000.
2008/10/30-31 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51740 Activity:kinda low
10/30   It'll be funny if McCain fails to win in Arizona.
        \_ Not gonna happen.  Unfortunately.
           \_ It is definitely in play.
                \_ not really. 538 gives Obama a 3% shot at AZ.
                   \_ Intrade has the line at 19%. Granted there are 11
                      states are are more "in play" but it is possibly one
                      of them, especially if undecided voters break heavily
                      to Obama, which they are likey to do.
                      to Obama, which they might do.
2008/10/30 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51736 Activity:high 50%like:51746
10/30   I bet Obama wishes he never met Joe The Plumber
        \_ Why is that?  Because JTP turned out to be a Republican
        \_ Obama's responses is being twisted in all kinds of ways into
           \_ so?
              \_ oh i dont think he's a socialist.  I dont think McCain is
                 evil.  I just think Obama is going to win.  When your
                 opponent starts whining about the evil media, you know he
                 know's he's toast.
                 \_ What does that have to do with why Obama might wish he
                    never met Joe the Plumber?
2008/10/29 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51727 Activity:high
10/29   Obama sure had trouble getting to work on time
        \_ Never had a job where you have to have impromptu meetings
           or random crisises have you?  Never being late for a meeting
           is a sign of a worker drone who doesn't have other
           \_ spoken like a true zombie
            \_ yeah.. hard to keep balance going to terrorist supporting
                meetings and faking caring for the USA
            \_ Spoken like someone who has responsibility.  Being late
               for a meeting doesn't mean you are hiding in the bathroom
               beating off.
                \_ if i were your manager i'd fire you so you can have
                the time needed to take care of your other more
                important responsiblities
                   \_ If I worked for you, and you assigned me oodles of
                      crap and then wouldn't be understanding when I
                      prioritized, I'd _want_ you to fire me. Yay,
                        \_ no i would not fire you because you would
                        make more than i would under Obama's
                        redistribution of wealth. I'd pay you $250k
                        so you would end up with nothing
                           \_ Given your level of ignorance and knee-jerk
                              anti-Obama-ism, you'll probably get promoted
                              to CFO. Good luck with that.
2008/10/29-30 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51725 Activity:nil
10/29   Ooh, now Biden is less accessable than Palin?
        \_ Everyone will agree the Biden/Obama campaign is not dumb.
           They just need to run out the clock until Nov 6th, and they win.
2008/10/29 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51724 Activity:high
10/29   Is Biden a drunk?  He sounds hammered here (campaign stop)
        \_ Yeah, he's a big lush, didn't you hear.
        \_ Yeah, he's a big lush, didn't you hear?  Every morning it's
           a fifth of Jack and a six pack.
                                   \_ joe six pack?
           \_ And then a drive home to Delaware.
            \_ Why do you think he takes the train?
               \_ Actually he drives from DC to Delaware almost every day.
                  \_ I thought he took the train, where did you hear
2008/10/29-30 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51722 Activity:moderate
10/29   What time is Obama's TV infomercial tonight in the Bay Area?  Thx.
        \_ Out of curiosity, are you undecided?  How fun is it to watch
           Obama recite the same stuff he's been reciting for what feels
           like an eternity at this point?
           \_ I'm undecided between voting for Obama and not voting for either.
           \_ I'm undecided between voting for Obama and voting for neither.
              I didn't pay enough attention to the past debates and things in
              the media like a responsible voter should have.  So I'm trying
              to catch up at the last minute.  For the state and county,
              ballots, I can read the info off the official ballot package.
              But there's no such thing for the presidental candidates.
2008/10/28-31 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51711 Activity:nil
10/28   http://defamer.com/5068356/ricky-gervais-and-thandie-newton-add-british-class-to-sarah-palin-porn-film
2008/10/28-30 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/California] UID:51710 Activity:nil
10/27   More massive republican voter fraud
2008/10/28-29 [Politics/Domestic/Gay, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51701 Activity:low
10/28   Federal Judge oath of office:
        Each justice or judge of the United States shall take the following
        oath or affirmation before performing the duties of his office:  "I,
        XXX XXX, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will administer justice
        without respect to persons, and do equal right to the poor and to the
        rich, and that I will faithfully and impartially discharge and perform
        all the duties incumbent upon me as XXX under the Constitution and laws
        of the United States.  So help me God."
        Obama, 2007:
        "We need somebody who's got the heart, the empathy, to recognize what
        it's like to be a young teenage mom. The empathy to understand what
        it's like to be poor, or African-American, or gay, or disabled, or old.
        And that's the criteria by which I'm going to be selecting my judges."
        \_ And Bush selected judges by ...
        \_ Dittohead Desperation Level: Ultraviolet
           \_ Don't you mean infrared? -op
        \_ This guy is going to be an awesome President.
        \_ FDR would have lost WEST COAST HOTEL if ROBERTS followed the oath.
2008/10/27-29 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51699 Activity:kinda low
10/27   Is anyone here undecided on Obama vs. McCain?  If not, can we
        dispense with all the motd entries on the topic?
        Dot here if you're undecided:
        \_ Ron Paul: ....
        \_ BIGGS: Wait!
           \_ No, you're not funny.  No, you're not clever.  Yes,
              you are extremely annoying.
              \_ (all true, I admit, but nevertheless:)
                 Biggs' cockpit explodes around him, lighting him in red.
                 \_ Hans: Sure hope the old man got that tractor beam out of
                    commission, or this is gonna be a real short trip. Okay,
                    hit it!
                    \_ what does that have to do with today's rally?
                       \_ Cause we are going to find out really soon if that
                          old man took out the tractor beam or not...
2008/10/27-30 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51693 Activity:nil
10/27   Esquire has a decent summary of why I am voting for Obama:
        "Bushism must be ripped out, root and branch, everywhere it has been
        established, or else the presidential election of 2008 is a worthless
        exercise in futility. Barack Obama may not be the man to do it, but
        John McCain, for all his laudable qualities, clearly is neither
        willing nor able to do so."
        \_ Young people of American DEMAND Socialism.
           \_ Obviously referring to Ayers.
           \_ That actually looks like it is popular in Stockholm.
              Try this one on for size, you commie:
        \_ I'm voting for Obama not because he's my most favorite, but because
           my most favorite is not running and my second most favorite lost in
           the primary.  I don't really want to vote for Obama, but I still
           will because he's better than the alternative.
2008/10/27-29 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51690 Activity:high
10/26   Hi-res scans show Obama was indeed a *member* of the New Party
        \_ Having serious difficulty mustering enough energy to care.
        \_ Excellent. The most liberal member of the Senate is looking to win
           in a landslide.
           \_ I'm far more interested in who the candidates really are than in
              who's going to win.
              who's going to win. -op
              \_ Do you honestly believe that Obama was a member of the New
                 Party, or are you just spreading FUD?
                 \_ Yes, I honestly believe that, and it appears pretty well
                    documented. -op
                    \_ Those links you posted are not good documentation, in
                       fact they are contradictory themselves. Do you honestly
                       believe that the Democratic Party would run as a
                       candidate in the general election a member of another
                       party? If you really believe this, you are pretty
                       clueless. Keep grasping at straws though.
                       \_ The New Party docs aren't good? huh?
                          \_ If you would read your own excrement before posting
                             to the motd, you would see that one of the
                             paragraphs says he is a New Party member, while
                             the other one says he is a NP endorsed candidate,
                             not a NP member. Did you read it?
                             "Winners! NP-endorsed candidates Martin, Davis
                              and Obama celebrate with Chicago New Party
                              Members Ted Thomas and Ruth Schools..., "
                              \_ Uh, being called 'endorsed' doesn't mean he
                                 *wasn't* a member.
                                 \_ In the English language there is only one
                                    way to interpret that statement.
                                    way to interpret that statement. You never
                                    explained how the Democratic Party could
                                    have as their candidate a member of another
                                    \_ The "New Party" was a fusion party. Look
                                       it up, and what it means.
                                       \_ Frankly, I have better things to do,
                                          like pack for the week I am going to
                                          spend in Miami helping GOTV for Obama.
                                          I don't think the assassination plot
                                          is going to bring over too many
                                          undecided voters, but good luck with
                                          your wing nuttery.
                                       \_ Cryptocommunist eh?
        \_ It's depressing really.  The tinfoil hattery common amongst the
           right during the Clinton years is going to be nothing compared to
           what's coming during the Obama years.  Can we call it NeoBirchism?
           \_ ODS
2008/10/25-28 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51679 Activity:nil
10/25   More deranged Republicans at a Palin rally
        \_ I imagine that you could find similar footage at Democratic rallies
           in 2000 and 2004.  -tom
2008/10/24-28 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51676 Activity:nil
10/24   McCain aide was spreading incendiary version of hoax mugging story
        before any facts were known
        \_ http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/gawker/2008/10/skyx.jpg
        \_ Isn't it refeshing how there is no more racism in America?
           \_ Dude, this was obviously referring to Ayers.
        \_ http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/24/mccain.sticker/index.htm
           Conservatism is a mental illness.
2008/10/24-28 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51671 Activity:nil
10/24   McCain volunteer who claimed attack confesses making up story
        Charges will be filed.  Funny, NO MENTION of this on Drudge!
        "If this incident turns out to be a hoax, Senator McCain’s quest for the
        presidency is over, forever linked to race-baiting."
        \_ Uh, it's on the top of drudge right now.
        \_ What do you expect?  Joe the Plumber's real name is not Joe either.
        \_ stupeed demz!!
2008/10/24-28 [Politics/Domestic/Abortion, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51669 Activity:nil
10/24   Palin: "I don't know" if abortion clinic bombers are terrorists
        \_ I am so pro Abortion.  Abortions for all!
           \_ Miniature american flags for others...
        \_ Bombing for Jesus! Talk about moral relativism!
2008/10/24-28 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51666 Activity:kinda low
10/24   Latest Republican endorsement of Obama: William Weld
        \_ BTW, are there any publicly known Democrats endorsing McCain?  (The
           Governator doesn't count.)
           \_ Lieberman of course.  And I can't imagine Zell Miller is voting
              \_ Lieberman the Independent?
                 \_ I didn't leave the Democratic Party, the Democratic Party
                    left me...
                    \_ I didn't leave the Dems; they just didn't select me
                       in the Primary, so I ran as an Independent.
                    \_ In Soviet Russia ......
2008/10/23 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51663 Activity:nil
10/23   McCain supported attacked, beaten, B carved on face.
2008/10/23-28 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51658 Activity:nil
10/23   http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/news/17789356/detail.html
        Dang, Obama supporters sur are dumm!  he wrote the B backwards!  and
        he had plenty of time to scratch it neatly with a dull knife!  and
        when he punched her in the back of the head to knock her down he hit
        her in the left eye!  stupids!
        \_ Did Drudge drag out the siren for this one?
        \_ This story has several large holes in it.
        \_ Even Michelle Malkin doubts this:
           \_ But the scary big black man attacked her because she supported
              the Real American!  Quick!  To the right wing noise machine!
        \_ "Police: McCain volunteer made up robbery story"
2008/10/23-28 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51656 Activity:nil
10/23   "Sarah Palin in 2012?"
        McCain can't even contain his own running mate.
        \_ Palin is far too loathsome to be shooed off the national stage
           so quickly.
           \_ She'll be great on The Amazing Race
        \_ She's deluded enough to actually believe she'll get votes outside
           the hockey mom/joe sixpack with IQ < 100 demographic
           \_ Half of America is below average intelligence, don't forget
2008/10/23-27 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51645 Activity:nil
10/22   McCain agrees with Obama surrogate cricism:
2008/10/22 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51639 Activity:nil
10/22   you know what's really funny.  Palin is the most socialist American
        governor there is.  Not that that is a bad thing.
        \_ COUNTRY FIRST
        \_ Oil royalties are inherently capitalist.
        \_ If you view Alaska as a corporation and all Alaskans as share-
           holders, Palin's actions are pretty much in line with any CEO.
           They're just terrible in terms of a workable civilization.
2008/10/22-27 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51637 Activity:nil
10/22   Obama dance vs. McCain dance. Humor.
2008/10/22 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51635 Activity:nil
10/22   I'm watching Fox.  Did you know McCain and Obama are in a statistical
        tie, with McCain gaining in key groups?  HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
        \_ Huh? Which poll is that?
           \_ The fox politically self-serving poll.
              \_ But that one shows Obama up by 9?
        \_ Or were they referring to that weird AP poll which predicts 44%
           of the
           electorate will be evangelical Christians?
           \_ McCain is DOMINATING Alaska, Texas, Arizona and Utah
2008/10/22 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:51634 Activity:nil
10/22   Right wing get increasingly more deranged as election approaches:
        \_ I agree, they are really beginning to resemble the left.
         \_ The difference is you are comparing the Insane Rambling Crazy
            Person Left with the Very Serious Get Massive Press Time and
            Treated Seriously Right.  The Insane Rambling Crazy Person Right
            is makes these ravings look downright reasonable.  There are
            crazies on every end of every spectrum, but it's telling when
            just being mostly crazy counts as reasonable.
2008/10/22 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51628 Activity:nil
10/22   I am pro Obama.  The market just dropped 400 points.  Does that
        mean            the market is going to      go way down if Obama wins?
        \_               y                    es.
        \_ dont make me come down there and beat you.
2008/10/22 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51622 Activity:very high
10/22   Al Qaida rooting for McCain
        \_ How better to destroy America than to bankrupt us with N billion
           foreign intervention wars?
        \_ Expect tape from Osama endorsing Obama by next Friday at the latest.
2008/10/22 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51621 Activity:nil
10/22   Palin's anti-intellectualism
2008/10/21-22 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51619 Activity:nil
10/21   Palin just said she will be in charge of the Senate!
        \_ Didn't you hear?  Vice-presidents no longer have to follow the
        \_ http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/03/nailin-paylin-hustlers-pa_n_131581.html
2008/10/21-22 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51616 Activity:nil
10/21   kill me now
        \_ Her response to being universally ridiculed?  Get cocky!
2008/10/21-22 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51614 Activity:kinda low
10/21   Obama supporter (and Baptist Minister, and veteran) has his Obama
        lawn sign replaced with with a confederate flag:
        \_ Meh. Inside job.
2008/10/21-22 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51612 Activity:nil
10/20   'You wonder why McCain/Palin supporters feel like they can go to
        rallies and talk about Obama being a Jew-bought Islamic radical
        cokehead forced abortionist communist? Because it’s the standard that
        the campaign’s set by having ridiculously drawn out public
        conversations designed to draw full attention to the charges while
        laboring under the pretense that they’re “debating” over using the
2008/10/21-22 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51606 Activity:nil
10/21   I think McCain's only going to win Alaska and Arizona
        \_ No, he'll get Texas too.  I think it'll be 300 votes for
           Obama, no more.  Wouldn't put money on it though.  --PM
           \_ 380 -Liberal Elitist
              Plus add IN and WV.
        \_ he's got Alaska, Arizona, Texas, Utah and New Hampshire LOCKED UP
        \_ Palin is KICKING SERIOUS ASS in Nevada.  That's gotta be
           3 or 4 electoral votes right there.
2008/10/21-22 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51604 Activity:nil
10/21   Palin is mocking Obama for supposedly supporting in a future
        scenario sending our troops into a nation who's government does
        not welcome us.
2008/10/21-22 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51602 Activity:nil
10/21   Palin isn't dumb.  She's just ignorant.  Do you remember in the 70s
        when a bunch of Harvard trained MBAs tried an elaborate scheme
        of price fixing and screwed up the economy for YEARS?  do you think
        Palin in her wildest dreams would think of something like that?  I
        thought so.  Vote for Palin!
        \_ Homina homina homina!
2008/10/21-22 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51601 Activity:kinda low
10/21   why does Palin say things like 'my fellow alaskans were given
        the opportunity to finally vote on the possibility of an amendment
        to their constitution in this great state of Alaska!'?  it drives
        me crazy.
        \_ You don't know that this is the first time that citizens of a state
           in Russia can vote on the possibility of an amendment to their
           constitution?  Palin the Russian state governor knows that.
2008/10/21-22 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51600 Activity:high
10/21   LEFTISTS.
           \_ You bring up an interesting point.  Does $$ win elections, or
              do winning candidates have lots of support, and therefore $$?
              Arguably, Obama has many, many more small donations from
              individuals, therefore, he has more support, and the $$ is
              just a sign of it.
                \_ obFreakonomicsAlreadyAnalyzedThis
2008/10/21-22 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51598 Activity:nil
        \_ How dare his grandmother get gravely ill and throw this election.
           \_ she is not ill, she threatened to show Obama's birth
              certificate which is not from the US
              \_ you know mccain was born in central america right
2008/10/21-22 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51597 Activity:kinda low
10/21   did you know McCain fixed the Cuban missile crisis too?
        my brain is going to explode.
        \_ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4wQfQtpDAc
        \_ McCain/Alzheimer's 2008
2008/10/20-21 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51594 Activity:nil
10/20   http://www.wisn.com/politics/17754232/detail.html
        What's the phrase that the freeper contigent seems to be so fond
        of?  Oh yeah, "stay classy Replublicans."
        \_ Obviously this was referring to Ayers.
2008/10/20-22 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51586 Activity:kinda low
10/19   30 Obama supporters vehicles get their tires slashed in North Carolina
        \_ KKK?
           \_ Inevitable result of the slimiest Republican campaign in memory.
              \_ It's the truth.  If a campaign spends most of it's energy
                 implying that the other candidate is unamerican and a danger
                 to the very roots of democracy, this is the result.  But I
                 forgot, McCain for some reason isn't responsible for how he
                 runs his campaign.
                 \_ Uh, it's because Obama *does* hate america and is
                    socialist.  However, don't think these kind of things only
                    happen by nuts on one side.
                    \_ Wow you are both batshit insane and a moron.
                    \_ Even if Obama *does* hate America, and *is* a socialist,
                       who better to improve America than someone who hates
                       its faults?  And how about social benefits for the
                       middle class and the poor for a change, instead of
                       bailouts for rich companies and tax cuts for the
                       rich who don't need anyone's help?
                       \_ Hating America's faults != hating America.  Hating
                          faults and caring enough to want to fix them is
                          a good thing.  Think about that engineer you know
                          who doesn't give a shit about how crappy their code
                          is, now compare that to the one who fixes those
                          code path nightmares and makes things better.  Which
                          one would you rather have working on your project?
                          \_ To the conservative wingnut cadre, hating America's
                             faults or talking down on any aspect of how
                             Americans customarily do business is hating
                             America.  In their eyes, "hating America" and
                             "hating America's faults" is a distinction
                             without a difference.  Don't like American
                             interventionism or imperialism?  You HATE
                             AMERICA.  Don't like America's welfare for
                             the rich?  WHY DO YOU HATE AMERICA?
        \_ The tire-slashing was an inside job by Obama supporters to fire up
           their supporters and create blog fodder.
           \_ Another member of the "batshit insane/moron" club!
        \_ link:tinyurl.com/6kv6e8
           Bulletin board by highway in MO.
           \_ But remember, this isn't racist.  Only people that think this is
              in any way racist - are racist.
        \_ Why don't you post to the motd when the Democrats do it?
           \_ Note that the motd has a pretty good track record of calling both
              Dems _and_ the GOP on BS. It's not the motd's fault if the GOP
              crew are just more likely to spew/pull BS.
2008/10/19-21 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51582 Activity:low
10/19   Oopsie, Obama broke ethics law when he was a state senator
        \_ This from John Stephenson, editor of Stop The ACLU.
           \_ Every single bit of spittle that flys from the frothing mouth
              of the Right warrants a banner headline in the NYT. Or it is
              just further proof that the MSM is in the tank for Obama.
              \_ This odd concept of equal time for opposing views is silly.
                 If I say "Gravity causes apples to fall down," must we then
                 publish cranks who insist on the Earth is a Magnet theory?
2008/10/19-22 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/California/Arnold] UID:51580 Activity:low
10/19   Colin Powell endorses Obama
        \_ Apparently the freeptards are already calling him a 'racist'
        \_ One fewer reason why I should vote for McCain.
        \_ One fewer reason why I should vote for McCain.  Now if only the
           Governator can also endorse Obama (he endorsed McCain), my choice
           Governator could also endorse Obama (he endorsed McCain), my choice
           would be finalized.
2008/10/19-22 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:51579 Activity:nil
10/19   How the Republican lobbying game killed Freddie Mac reform:
2008/10/19-21 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic] UID:51578 Activity:nil
10/19   Another classy Republican in Ohio:
2008/10/19-21 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51577 Activity:nil
10/19   Wondering why McCain brought up autism in the debate? Hmmm...
2008/10/17-21 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51568 Activity:nil
10/17   McCain hired same robo-call slime firm to attack Obama as attacked
        him in 2000:
2008/10/17 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51564 Activity:nil
10/17   http://www.mcclatchydc.com/310/story/54360.html
        McCain decides to vilify ACORN as the worst thing since Hitler
        and funny enough his supporters take him to heart and act on
        the belief.  Where's the McCain isn't responsible for his actions
        guy when you need him?
2008/10/17-20 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51560 Activity:nil
10/17   Trader on Intrade was artificially boosting John McCain's contract
        \_ You mean a Republican was trying to manipulate the election?
           Say it isn't so Joe!
2008/10/16-17 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51554 Activity:nil
10/15   Unscientific poll on cnn's page has 72% saying Obama won.
        Has the fat lady all but sung?
        \_ It's over, unless there's a major game-changing moment between
           now and the election.  -tom
           \_ hmm.. I smell WMD in Iran.  Let's bomb Iran and launch a
              preemptive strike against Iran.  That would swing sentiment in
              Republican favors.
              \_ No, it wouldn't, but it would give strokes and heart attacks
                 to the folks who are already afraid GWB's going to declare
                 martial law before the elections, and then they wouldn't be
                 able to get out of the hospital to vote.
        \_ Doesn't http://CNN.com have a relatively liberal readership? Not that
           I'm rooting for McCain or anything.
           \_ Only if you compare it to Fox.
           \_ I think the online poll is bunk, but every poll I've seen had
              Obama winning all three debates.  -tom
2008/10/16-20 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51552 Activity:nil
10/15   Sacramento County Republican website:
        "The Only Difference between Obama and Osama is BS: Waterboard
        Barack Obama"
2008/10/16-17 [Computer/SW/Security, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51551 Activity:nil 50%like:51512
10/15   Secret Service says no one said "Kill him" at Palin rally
2008/10/16-20 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51549 Activity:nil
10/15   Nope, no Republican Racism here!
2008/10/16-20 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51545 Activity:nil
10/16   McCain blanketing states with robocalls
2008/10/16-17 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51542 Activity:moderate
10/16   Joe the "Plumber" not actually a plumber
        \_ I don't have a bachelor's degree but I work at a tech firm.
           And we care because... ?
           \_ Because plumbers actually have to get certified, unlike
              software engineers?
              \_ only if his customers care. My mom always hire unlicensed
                 contractors for her rental properties because they're a
                 lot cheaper.
        \_ He *works* for a plumber.  He *wants* to buy the business, which
           would mean he'd need to be certified at that point.
           \_ he also clearly doesn't understand how business taxes work.
2008/10/16-20 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51541 Activity:nil
10/15   Awesome McCain supporters in Bethlehem, PA (why was this nuked?)
2008/10/16-17 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51540 Activity:nil
10/15   Holy smokes!  McCain was on Batman!
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