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2008/10/15-17 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/SocialSecurity] UID:51539 Activity:nil
10/15   What. The. Hell.
        http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D93R8IE00&show_article=1
2008/10/15-17 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51536 Activity:nil
10/14   Palin continues to be at war with unambigious truths.
        http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2008_10/015198.php
2008/10/14-17 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/California] UID:51531 Activity:nil 80%like:51524
10/14   This is what election fraud looks like
        http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2008/10/what-actual-election-fraud-looks-like.html
2008/10/14-17 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51530 Activity:nil
10/14   See!  Obama really is a terrorist!
        http://justoneminute.typepad.com/main/2008/10/why-obamas-colu.html
        Or wait, maybe he's just a gay pedophile!
        http://www.redstate.com/diaries/redstate/2008/oct/13/obamas-special-relationship
        And I thought them thar Liberals were supposed to be the unhinged ones.
        \_ Is it too early to talk about ODS (Obama Derangement Syndrome) ?
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2008/10/14-17 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51526 Activity:nil
10/14   Wait, I thought earmarks were the Worst Thing Ever.
        http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/21/mccain-ferry-earmark
2008/10/14-17 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51525 Activity:nil
10/14   Republicans descending into serious tinfoil hat territory:
        http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/archives/2008/10/the_coverup_3.php
        \_ Can they somehow shoehorn killing Vince Foster into the mix?
           \- I killed Vince Foster just to watch him die. --wjc
2008/10/14 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51524 Activity:nil 80%like:51531
10/14   This is what election fraud looks like
        \_ http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2008/10/what-actual-election-fraud-looks-like.html
2008/10/14-17 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51520 Activity:nil
10/14   Palin supporter shouts "Obama Bin Laden"
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=577hQ3NRb88
        \_ Obviously he's talking about Ayers.
           \_ Obviously you've never served.
2008/10/14-16 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51517 Activity:nil
10/14   William Ayers: Funded by Republicans
        http://www.republicansforobama.org/?q=node/3027
        \_ You are obviously a terrorist.
           \_ Yup, and apparently so are the Annenburgs!
2008/10/14-16 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51513 Activity:nil
10/14   Palin quotes Westbrook Pegler, the mid-century Hearst columnist famous
        for his anti-Semitism, racism, and violent rhetorical excess.
        http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/archives/2008/10/the_pegler_factor.php
        \_ But he's not a terrorist like those dangerous ACORN Community
           Organizers.
           \_ Le sigh.
              http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/archives/2008/10/more_fraud.php
        \_ Will no one rid me of this meddlesome priest?
2008/10/14-16 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51512 Activity:nil 50%like:51551
10/14   Another "Kill Him!" moment at a Palin rally
        http://www.thetimes-tribune.com/articles/2008/10/14/news/doc48f4ba8994588930223377.txt
        http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/10/palin_supporter_on_obama_kill.php
        \_ Obviously referring to Ayers.
           \_ Uhhh....wow.
2008/10/13-16 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51507 Activity:low
10/13   CNN on ACORN's voter fraud.
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRhrT22BsIY
        \_ Those dangerous brown people are stealing your election!
           \_ What do "brown people" have to do with ACORN?
            \_ Obama!  Community organizers!
            \_ Obama!  Community organizers!  Poor people who have teeth!
        \_ No matter how many times you post about it, ACORN's "fraud" does not
           mean what you think it means.
2008/10/13-16 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51505 Activity:nil
10/13   Tom Foley's replacement has his own sex scandal
        http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=5997043&page=1
2008/10/13-16 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51504 Activity:low
10/13   McCain/ACORN connection, major lulz
        http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2008/10/13/mccain_acorn/index.html
        \_ Michelle Malkin is angry???
        \_ Obviously a plot by those dangerous Brown People to discredit
           McCain so they can take over America and kick out all us God
           Fearing Decent Folk.
        \_ What does "lulz" mean?
           \_ it means paolo is an idiot.
              \_ What does "paolo" mean by "lulz"?
                 \_ he means "more than one lol".  Really.
              \_ who is paolo?
                 \_ End of an era...*sniffle*
2008/10/13-15 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51502 Activity:moderate
10/13   Heeeere it comes, the next McCain hail mary:
        http://thepage.time.com/2008/10/12/press-reset-if-campaign-freezes-and-seems-broken
        http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D93PD0880&show_article=1
        http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/10/is-drudge-priming-mccain-reboot.html
        \_ How many of those can you throw?
        \_ If McCain actually disavows the loony side of his Party, I will
           be really impressed with him.
           \_ It would be a lot more impressive if he hadn't spent the last
              year give the loony side of his Party delicious blowjobs.
           \_ Why would McCain strategy #12321 be impressive?
              \_ Because it would take some real moral courage.
               \_ No, what would have taken moral courage would have been
                  not to cozy up with the loony side in the first place.
                  It doesn't take courage to stop being dispicable after
                  you've discovered that's being dispicable is a losing tactic.
                  It doesn't take courage to stop being despicable after
                  you've discovered that's being despicable is a losing tactic.
                  \_ Life isn't always scripted you know. It is possible that
                     McCain did not realize that palling around with Rove's
                     team would lead to such a lynch mob mentality. I certainly
                     was expecting an ugly campaign, but nothing like the near-
                     riot levels of hysteria from the Right. Pulling the
                     country back from that kind of political violence speaks
                     well of McCain's character.
                     \_ So you are saying it's not poor John McCain's fault
                        run of the sleaziest, deceitful campaigns ever?  Gee,
                        I guess he really is senile then, because that's the
                        only reason I could see you giving him a pass for
                        how he ran his campaign.
                        \_ You are almost as dumb as George W. Bush. I am hardly
                           giving him a "pass" in fact if he does not change
                           the tone of his campaign, I will be the first to
                           call him on it. It would be nice if he did the
                           right thing, though I am not holding my breath.
                           I am the guy who gave Obama $2300, btw, in case
                           you think I am some kind of closet McCain supporter.
                        ran one of the sleaziest, deceitful campaigns ever?
                        Gee, I guess he really is senile then, because
                        that's the only reason I could see you giving him
                        a pass for how he ran his own campaign.
                        \_ No, I am not saying that at all. I am saying that if
                           he admits that he made a mistake and does his best
                           to rectify it, it will make him an unusually morally
                           courages and admirable person. It is rare that anyone
                           does something like this, in my experience, and
                           especially rare for the fragile egomaniacs that end
                           up in politics. But it looks like I won't have to
                           re-assess him, because it looks like he isn't going
                           to fire Atwater's army of Orcs.
                           to fire Atwater and his army of Orcs.
2008/10/13-15 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51500 Activity:nil
10/13   Obama wants to spread your wealth around
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OoqI5PSRcXM
        \_ It's about time.
        \_ Dittohead Desperation Level: Purple
2008/10/13-15 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51499 Activity:kinda low
10/13   Obama supporters calling Palin a cunt.
        http://tinyurl.com/4l2xrf
        \_ ob I thought Hillary was
           \_ No, Hitlary is a FemiNazi.
              \_ ob why not both
                 \_ It is okay to call some a Nazi but not a cunt?
        \_ Wow, people are being assholes on the internet!  I never!
        \_ Well, now, they're just following John McCain's lead.
        \_ Love the comments. "You are a bone gagger." But yeah, this is
           pretty low.
        \_ Calling Sarah Palin a bad word vs. calling Obama a terrorist,
           a socialist, an Arab, and comparing him to a stuffed Monkey.
            Yup, pretty much the same!
           \_ Not to mention doing so loudly and publicly at a McCain rally
              and McCain/Palin didn't even feel the need to say "hey now,
              that's not reasonable" until after the media started to notice
              that McCain was intentionally stoking such hate.  Hey OP, this
              is an obvious attempt to turn McCain's ugly ugly campaign into
              just another tit-for-tat politcal story, but that's just not
              going to fly.
             \_ at what point did people call Obama a terrorist and/or Arab
                where Palin and/or McCain "stoked" that or let it go?  I'm
                curious to see that.
                \_ You don't pay much attention to the news do you?
                   \_ Why not give him the link instead of just insulting the
                      guy? Not everyone is a news junkie.
                   \_ The person was calling Ayers a terrorist, not Obama.
                      \_ That is one interpretation, not mine however. What
                         about the guy who yelled "kill him!" do you think he
                         was agitating for the lynching of Ayers or Obama?
                         http://tinyurl.com/4o73mt (HuffPo)
                         \_ I think it's obviously referring to Ayers.
                          \_ Saying something multiple times doesn't make it
                             even remotely true..
2008/10/13-15 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51491 Activity:nil
10/12   Obama's affair, you heard it here first:

        http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2104254/posts
        \_ Is this really more newsworthy than rumors that McCain
           is really a chupacabra?  Because you heard that first here as
           well.
        \_ Dittohead Desperation Level: Magenta
           \_ I'd say it's really more of a mauve.
        \_it's ok.. he's a liberal.. they are given one free pass
        on an affair as well as one free pass on partial birth abortions.
         \_ Nice troll, want a treat?
2008/10/11-15 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51479 Activity:nil
10/11   Palin resoundingly booed at hockey game
        http://slapshot.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/10/11/a-misplaced-hockey-mom-moment
        \_ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXNetpeu_mk
        \_ 80% of the residents in Valencia thought Palin won the debate.
           \_ Valencia Spain?
2008/10/11-15 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51478 Activity:nil
10/11   McCain letter demanded action on Fannie/Freddie
        20 Republican senators signed this letter.  McCain's reformed passed
        out of committee but didn't get a majority on the floor.
        (Image of the letter included.)
        http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=28973
        \_ The GOP controlled both houses on Congress, the White House and
           the Supreme Court and still couldn't get any regulation passed
           reigning in Fannie Mae, why is that?
           reining in Fannie Mae, why is that?
        \_ It is time for Human events to get real. Side with real
           conservatives, and quit trying to fool them. This letter is nice,
           but irrelevant in a campaign that ignores facts anyway. We have two
           horrible pro-big government candidates and no CYA letter written 2
           years ago is going to make John Mccain a viable Republican candidate.
           Those who voted for Mccain in the primaries are to blame. You did
           this to us, we had viable candidates who might have resuscitated
           this dying party. Stop the defeated sputtering, we lost and we
           deserve it. Hopefully the loss will be the kick in the pants
           conservatives and Republicans need.
           \_ I really hope that this guy speaks for a majority of Conservatives
2008/10/11-15 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51475 Activity:low
10/11   Hilarious Acorn slimey lawyer.  What a dirtbag.
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goTICiFQoeE
        \_ Josh Marshall has the clearest explanation for all this, but
           I'm sure it won't penetrate your tinfoil hat:
           http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/223436.php
           \_ What it comes down to is the whole Acorn story is another
              dangerous mistruth being spread by the McCain campaign.
              McCain has proven over and over again he has no problem with
              telling massive lies if he thinks it will help him.
              \_ The gist is that Acorn pays unemployed and sometimes
                 even homeless people to collect signatures.  This is
                 a dubious tactic, because the collectors have a huge
                 incentive to produce fake registration documents
                 in return for cold cash.  This is is why the Democratic
                 party doesn't associate with Acorn.  However, it's
                 not a sign of a nefarious plot of any kind, and in fact
                 there has never been a documented instance of anyone
                 trying to *use* these fake registrations.  If you
                 register as a member of the Dallas Cowboys or
                 Mickey Mouse, you're not going to be able to vote.
                 Vote fraud occurs only if you *try* to make an
                 illegal *vote*.  Acorn in fact reported a lot of the
                 fake registrations *themselves*.  The fact is that
                 the right is trying to make a huge deal out of this
                 because they know they're going to lose and they
                 want to deligitamize the results.  A coordinated vote
                 fraud effort of the sort suggested by the right is
                 a tinfoil hat fantasy that would be next to impossible
                 to pull off, and years of investigations by Bush
                 justice department officials have never turned up
                 anything.
        \_ We need to find a way to turn right wing nutjob paniced desperation
           into energy.  It could get us off foreign oil in days.  How do you
           fall for this premptive THEY STOLE THE ELECTION bullshit?  Are you
           that stupid?  Here's a hint.  Every voter registration drive
           gets bullshit registrations.  That's why they are looked over
           by the state.  Acron does flag some as pretty obvious fakes but
           STILL HAVE TO SUBMIT THEM.  You are not allowed to collect
           voter registrations and then throw some of them out.  Otherwise
           you would have sleazy registration drives where people who
           "register" people and then decide "hey all these registrations
           for the party I don't like, I think they are 'invalid'".  (Although
           that's more of a Republican tactic, consdidering the Republican
           party seems to think legal disenfrancisment of legitimate minorty
           voters an acceptable tactic.)
           \_ What made me laugh about this guy is how he'd complain about
              anyone interrupting, but constantly interrupted Fund.  And
              whenever he was factually called on issues (by the Dem official
              in NV for instance) he's just spin and divert.  Slimey lawyer.
              Acorn is in trouble, seeing as it's being investigated in 12
              states, and this guy isn't helping. -op
              \_ Investigated by an administration that has turned the
                 justice department into a political tool.  Investigated
                 by an adminstration the illegally fired federal prosecutors
                 who told them they weren't going to proscecute bogus voter
                 fraud cases.  Investigated by an adminstration whose party
                 has tried time and time to illegally disenfrancise minority
                 voters purely because they tend to vote for the other party.
                 People who worry about a vast brown person voter fraud
                 army are one step below Ron Paul supporters.  Then again,
                 you do watch Fox and Friends and think it is legit news.
                   \_ Actually, no I don't.  But nice conspiracy theory there,
                      speaking of tinfoil hats. -op
                      \_ Then why did you post a Fox and Friends clip as if
                         was legit?
                         \_ Uh, the conversation took place, no?
                          \_ When did you stop beating your wife?
2008/10/10-15 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51473 Activity:nil
10/10   Probe finds Palin violated Alaskan law in trooper-gate
        http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/10/lawmakers_to_release_trooperga.php
        http://www.adn.com/palin/story/552393.html
        \_ I blame the Liberal Media
2008/10/10-15 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Computer/SW/OS/Windows] UID:51470 Activity:nil
10/10   http://www.google.com/search?q=you+look+like+me
        WTF?
2008/10/10-15 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51466 Activity:nil
10/9    The gist of the ACORN story
        http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/223436.php
        \_ Do you think the Wingers are trying to whip their crowd into
           violence?
           \_ http://www.city-journal.org/2008/eon1009jl.html
2008/10/9-15 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:51460 Activity:nil
10/9    Will 2008 be a re-aligning election?
        http://tinyurl.com/3oktaf
2008/10/9 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51453 Activity:moderate
10/9    McCain is STILL lieing about the bridge to nowhere?  What the hell?
        http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/09/mccain-bridge-lie
        \_ http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/09/mccain-bridge-lie
2008/10/9 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51446 Activity:nil
10/9    In a campaign with plenty of gaffes to go around, John McCain added
        one to the mix Wednesday. The Republican vice-presidential candidate
        addressed a crowd in Pennsylvania as “my fellow prisoners.”
        McCain made the slip while discussing his plans for the economy,
        including health care and energy policies. “Across this country, this
        is the agenda I have set before my fellow prisoners,” he said. The
        prepared remarks, which the campaign distributed during the speech,
        showed he meant to say “citizens.” The Arizona senator was a prisoner
        of war, spending nearly six years in Vietnam. He often talks about his
        experiences on the campaign trail, albeit briefly.
2008/10/9 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51445 Activity:nil
10/9    "McCain changes homeowner plan"
        http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20081009/pl_politico/14414
        "Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) made an overnight change in the homeowner
        bailout he proposed at Tuesday.s presidential debate, making it more
        generous to financial institutions and more costly for taxpayers."
2008/10/9 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51443 Activity:low
10/8    Get ready for the great fraud election of 2008
        http://www.ogdenonpolitics.com/2008/10/voting-early-often-indianapolis-bloated.html
        \_ Courtesy ACORN:
           http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=308358130652174
        \_ Of course it is not possible that McCain is going to lose simply
           because his ideas and his party are unpopular. I actually like
           this meme, it guarantees that the GOP will remain out of power
           even longer, as they refuse to admit to their problems.
        \_ the 100 guys the all powerful ACORN have signed up will tilt
           the election!
2008/10/8-9 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51441 Activity:high
10/8    Palin = Star Wars, Clinton = Star Trek:
        http://preview.tinyurl.com/4xcgzj [io9]
        \_ Obama won his Senate race because of Star Trek, no joke.
           \_ How so?
              \_ The Illinois senator/incumbent/expected to win candidate
                 dropped out of the race after it became public his wife,
                 Jeri Ryan, divorced him because she got sick of him dragging
                 her to public sex clubs and him trying to nail her in front
                 of other people.  The Illinois Republican party couldn't
                 find anyone popular enough to run in his place... so they
                 invited Alan Keyes to move to Illinois and run for the empty
                 spot.  More people voted for Obama than Alan Keyes.
                 \_ You forgot that Obama sued to unseal their divorce records.
                  \_ No, the Chicago Tribune sued, on grounds that they were
                     unjustly sealed.  But why stop making shit up?
                     \_ He got his Obama and Liberal Media talking points
                        mixed up, you have to excuse him.
                 \_ Jeri Ryan as in 7 of 9? Wow.
                 \_ That's semi revisionist history going on.  Yes that all
                    happened, but my memory was it was a close race but
                    Obama was in the lead before the whole sexual scandal.
                    Also, Jack Ryan was not an incumbent.
                    \_ I can't tell reliably. I found a page by Michelle
                       Malkin about this subject. puke.
                 \_ People should be a little more understanding for someone
                    wanting to nail Jeri Ryan in public.
                    \_ I'd rather nail Jeri Thompson in public.
                       \_ I want her all to myself.
2008/10/8-9 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51440 Activity:nil
10/8    Which candidate pals around with terrorists?
        http://preview.tinyurl.com/4zeonz
        \_ Wait, they're recycling this?  Wow, salon sure has dropped in
           quality.
           \_ Dittohead Desperation Level: Chartruse
            \_ With faint hints of perrywinkle.
2008/10/8-9 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51434 Activity:kinda low
10/8    Newsweek under fire for *not* Photoshopping Palin photo.
        link:www.yahoo.com/s/967288
        First, fashion magazines are frowned upon for Photoshopping pictures of
        supermodels.  Now a news magazine is frowned upon for not Photoshopping
        pictures of a political figure.  Go figure.
        \_ I don't understand the bitching.
           \_ The article's or the OP's?
        \_ An extreme close-up to the degree that you can see pores?  Compare
           that to the covers with Obama.
           \_ Desperation level infrared.
2008/10/8-9 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51431 Activity:very high
10/8    So McCain just wants to buy people's mortgages?  And the government
        will eat the difference?  Thank you McCain, now not only can I not
        buy a house because of the stupid bubble, all the idiots who did
        buy a house and couldn't afford it will get a giant bonus from
        the government.  What the fuck?
        \_ If you need it in simple terms,
           http://freakonomics.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/10/07/martin-feldstein-on-the-financial-crisis
        \_ Wow it's even worse.  He wants to buy them from the lenders
           who made totally irresposible loans AT FACE VALUE.  What the
           hell is this kind of maverickness?  Please tell me he is just
           desperatly trying to throw things at the wall and seeing what
           pandering sticks.  I mean at least that's just cynically treating
           our economy like a joke.  The only other option I can come up with
           is McCain has the economic sense of a retarded tapir.
           \_ And then he wants to renegotiate them down to current market
              value with the borrower, so that the government eats the loss
              for both the lender and the borrower. Can you say Moral Hazard?
              \_ Moral Hazard.
        \- mccains mortgage repo idea is from martin feldstein ... who may
           or may not be an evil fucker -- i am not sure --- but he certainly
           knows more about economics than you do, so trivial complaints
           like "moral hazard, moral hazard!" are silly, espcially when you
           dont know the full extent of the plan, which has to do with piggy-
           back/bridge loans which are not non-recourse loans. --psb
           \_ ok smart guy tell me why McCain's plan is not full of holes.
              though at the end of the day, we're both voting for Obama
              \- if you are interested in *martin feldstein* and glenn
                 hubbard's [?] plan, use google. in case you are interested,
                 MF is "clearly" in the first rank of economists. as for
                 GH: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3u2qRXb4xCU
           \_ You know what, this plan is actually the smartest thing I have
              heard from McCain yet. It is not enough to make me vote for him,
              but it reinforces my claim that both are very strong candidates
              and both would do a good job in the Oval Office.
              \_ You need to sign this so we can mock you for it. -aspo
              \_ maaaybe , but remember McCain chose Palin to be his VP,
                 and there's a 25 percent chance McCain will die, and Palin
                 does not have the gravitas to be VP.
                 \_ There's a 25% chance?  According to what?
                    \_ you know what?  72 year old dudes who have had cancer
                       5 times have a higher chance of dying than say...
                       YOU.  Palin comes off as shrill and unable to hold
                       a discussion that doesn't involve the talking points she
                       just learned from her campaign handlers.  I think Obama,
                       Biden, and even McCain occasionally say things that
                       they came up with ON THEIR OWN.  Palin just pisses me
                       off.  McCain choosing Palin pisses me off.
                       \_ Republicans cheer Palin with the same intensity
                          that you jeer Palin. Think about that.
                          \_ I know they do.  I don't really understand it.
                             Every statement she makes, makes me cringe.
                 \_ Palin would be no worse than Bush, most likely better,
                    since she is hopefully more aware of her own inadequacies.
                    \_ "she might be better than the worst president in
                       history" is not exactly an endorsement.  -tom
2008/10/8-9 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51430 Activity:kinda low
10/8    Meghan McCain is totally hot.  Can we keep her if Obama wins?
        \_ You can keep that picture you keep beating off on.  Isn't that
           enough?
           \_ You harshed my mellow dude.  tnx.
        \_ She looks just like her dad.  WHAT a turn-off!
        \_ I want some hot conservative slightly chubby sex.
2008/10/7-9 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic] UID:51423 Activity:nil
10/7    If the CSUA sponsored a political debate on the election
        and the major political issues, which Soda Personalities
        would you like to see argue the Democratic and Republican
        positions?
        \_ hard to tell, since all the republicans are anonymous cowards.  -tom
        \_ Based on what?  Knowledge of the issues?  Debating skill?
           Entertaining speaker?  Inadvertent entertainment?
2008/10/7 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51421 Activity:nil
10/7    OBAMA DRIVES AWAY CAPITAL & REAL ESTATE INVESTMENT WITH HIGHER
        TAXES. Get rid of capital gains, lower business and corporate taxes,get
        rid of democrats in congress they are a joke!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!CONTINUED
        BAILOUTS WILL CAUSE MARKET CRASH. OBAMA WILL HURT OUR ECONOMY NOT
        HELP IT The reason companies are outsourcing is to SAVE MONEY! Your
        out of context spin is politics as usual smear, divide, and conquer,
        chicago politics at its best. WAKE UP AMERICA!!!! WHERE DID YOU GET
        THAT FREE TRADE IS A BAD THING? How do you think our economy is going
        to grow if we do not export...right now with low dollar exports are
        up that is a good thing. Guess what OBAMA and his imperial socialist
        elitists want to TAX AMERICA TO DEATH AND CLOSE OUR BORDERS. 98%
        of all taxes come from the RICH, oh I guess it is now a bad thing
        to be rich. You will kill AMERICA and spread misery across our lands
        you fools you fools. Yes, and we are going to send Biden out to get
        all those off shore accounts. Well guess what; if we LOWER TAXES then
        maybe that just might attract business like it did in IRELAND which
        has one of the lowest corporate taxes in the WORLD!!!! THE RICH WILL
        LEAVE AMERICA IF IT BECOMES A SOCIALIST STATE. GOOD BYE 401K's because
        there is a new BOSS MAN IN TOWN AND HE WILL NATIONALIZE EVERYTHING. THE
        TRAP WAS SET WHEN THE DEMO'S PUSHED US INTO THIS 700 BILLION BAILOUT
        FROM THEIR MESS THEY CREATED...OH and Polozi is going to go after
        the criminals that caused all of this, yeah right!!!! OBAMA=SOCIALIST
        AGENDA If you think this financial crisis is bad, just wait because
        if OBAMA is elected you will see change alright. But it won?t be
        the kind of change everyone hoped for because the LIBERAL plan will
        not work. OBAMA-CALIFORNIA is on the verge of bankruptcy because of
        ENTITLEMENT PROGRAMS!!!!! Washington Post Democrats Were Wrong on
        Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac - 9 hours ago Maxine Waters insisted, "we
        do not have a crisis at Freddie Mac, and in particular at Fannie Mae,
        under the outstanding leadership of Mr. Frank Raines"? ... OBAMA-will
        allow the idiots from http://move-on.com to take over our country. We can
        not afford OBAMA and the idiots like PALOZI or FRANKS- you know the
        democrat that ran the house finance committee to get a hold of US TAX
        PAYER DOLLARS. ANYMORE!!!!! OBAMA-there isn?t any money left for YOUR
        big spending plans!!!!!!!!! ELECTING OBAMA=DEPRESSION. IS THAT WHAT
        YOU WANT?????? THINK ABOUT IT.  UNLEASH THE FURY.
2008/10/7-9 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51418 Activity:nil
10/7    How low can he go?
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2o7LKCsrNQ
2008/10/7-9 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51415 Activity:nil
10/7    McCain/Palin whipping crowds into fever of hate
        http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/07/obama-hatred-on-display-a_n_132572.html
        http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/06/AR2008100602935.html
        http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/10/palin_supporter_calls_african.php
        http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2008/10/secret-service-looking-into-potential-threat-on-obama.php
2008/10/7-9 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51413 Activity:nil
10/6    "Kill him" proposed one man in the audience [at a Palin rally]
        http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/06/AR2008100602935.html
        \_ Just don't call them Brownshirts.
2008/10/6-9 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51408 Activity:moderate
10/6    I was only 9 when Obama's friend tried to kill me.
        http://www.city-journal.org/2008/eon0430jm.html
        \_ Either you believe this attack has any validity and are therefore
           too stupid to breathe or you reek of desperation and flop sweat.
           Which one is it?
        \_ So what are you conservatives going to say when a friend of the WU,
           a reknowned Marxist and the most liberal member of the Senate wins
           the Presidency in a landslide? Will you finally admit your ideology
           a Marxist and the most liberal member of the Senate wins the
           Presidency in a landslide? Will you finally realize your ideology
           is destined for the junk bin of history?
           \_ Funny words from a guy who has to keep pulling his ideology
              out of the dustbin.
              \_ That was non-responsive, but I can answer the question for
                 you, if you like, because I have spent the time and effort
                 to figure out what makes Conservatives tick.
        \_ How old were you when Ayers co-authored an Annenberg grant that
           netted nearly $50m over five years for the ailing Chicago school
           system? How old were you when he became a Distinguished Prof at
           UI Chicago?
           \_ So murder is okay in your eyes if you get some grant money?
                \_ Murder is always OK so long as you're one of the wealthy
                   elite.  OJ Simpson and the Bush Administration are proof.
              \_ No one was killed or even hurt by Ayers.
                 \_ So attempted murder is okay?
                 \_ Tell that to Diana Oughton
                    \_ "Oughton died in an explosion on March 6, 1970, in the
                        Greenwich Village townhouse explosion in New York
                        City, when a bomb she was constructing with Terry
                        Robbins accidentally detonated, destroying the
                        building and killing her, Robbins, and Ted Gold."
                        Waiting for explanation of Ayers' guilt here.
                        \- Nice of Hillary Clinton [the extreme liar]
                           to lay the groundwork for MCCAIN INC on this
                           one ... rewatch the PA Debate [sic] ...
                           "Barak, people died".
           \_ The $50M went to typical radical causes.  And even CNN has called
              Obama a liar on this.  Check out Anderson Cooper:
              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvROBLortBQ
              \_ CNN's called Obama a liar on what?
           \_ $50 mil he completely wasted which did no good for any student.
              There's a recommendation!
              \_ Dude, he raised the money; if it was squandered, look to the
                 Administrators.
                 \_ You mean Obama?
                    \_ You mean you think Obama was the Superintendent of the
                       Chicago Unified School District?
                       \_ No, he was the chairman of the Chicago Anneberg
                          challenge.  He decided when the money went.  Sorry,
                          we've been over this before, and I don't have time
                          right now.  Go look up where Obama spent the $100
                          million.  It's very interesting.
                          \_ Yeah it is interesting and it looks like it was
                             a good experiment. How many billions get wasted
                             every week on Bush's little "experiment" in Iraq?
                             I would rather spend the money here, trying to
                             improve Chicago schools, but this is an area where
                             we obviously differ.
                             \_ Nice red herring.  In any case, those who
                                are stupid in small things, are also stupid
                                in large things.
                                \_ You mean like the Bush/McCain/Palin ticket?
                                   \_ No, like you apparently.  Sheesh. Bush/
                                      McCain/Palin ticket. Really.
                                      \_ You are right, I forgot Cheney.
        \_ Dittohead Desperation Level: Red
           \_ what is the level beyond Red?
             \_ There's a Paranoia joke here, but I'm too drunk to make a
                good one.  Damn you beer.
2008/10/6-9 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51404 Activity:nil
10/6    McCain: "Who is the real Barack Obama?" Crowd: "TERRORIST!"
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buyVS9fRqkw
        \_ The GOP has become its own self-parody.
2008/10/5-9 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51391 Activity:nil
10/5    im lazy, can someone dig up links to all of the recent SNL
        Palin / Tina Fey skits?  thanks
        \_ http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live
           original > 2nd one >> most recent one
           \_ Thanks! - lazy sysadmin
2008/10/5-9 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51390 Activity:nil
10/5    Guess which VP candidate has read the Constitution?

        PALIN: Of course, we know what a vice president does. And that’s not
        only to preside over the Senate and will take that position very
        seriously also. I’m thankful the Constitution would allow a bit more
        authority given to the vice president if that vice president so chose
        to exert it in working with the Senate and making sure that we are
        supportive of the president’s policies and making sure too that our
        president understands what our strengths are.

        BIDEN: The only authority the vice president has from the legislative
        standpoint is the vote, only when there is a tie vote. He has no
        authority relative to the Congress.
        \_ He said "He".  SEXIST.
           \_ Of couse he won't say "she" at this point of the campaign.  Just
              like he'd say he already knows that the next president will be
              black, even though deep in his mind he's not sure.
        \_ But Palin has read the Russian Constitution!
           \_ She can see it from her house!
        \_ Palin is not entirely wrong.  A Republican VP is more powerful than
           a plain VP.  Just look at how powerful Chaney is (seriously).
           a plain VP.  Just look at how powerful Cheney is (seriously).
           \_ Research Cheney and the VP position. Constitutionally, VP has
              no more power/responsibility than Biden says. Cheney has
              _created_ new power for the VP position because "the goddamn
              constitution is just a piece of paper."
2008/10/5-9 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:51389 Activity:nil
10/5    Wow, Palin really is Bush with lipstick
        http://www.lrb.co.uk/v30/n19/raba01_.html
2008/10/5-9 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51388 Activity:nil
10/5    We witness here a great political lesson. When you are president, it
        matters -- it really matters -- that a majority of the people support
        and respect you. When you squander that affection, you lose more than
        mere popularity. You lose the ability to lead when your country is in
        crisis. This is a terrible loss, and a dangerous one, for the whole
        world is watching.
        http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122300786229301597.html
        \_ Which is why I think McCain is a better pick than Obama. McCain
           has friends that are Congressional Democracts while Obama has
           made enemies out of at least one. I actually wish McCain and Biden
           were on the same ticket.
        \_ Polls don't matter.
         \_ Obviously not to that writer who is pretty damn wrong about
            how Palin's debate performance was seen by undecided voters.
2008/10/5-9 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51386 Activity:nil
10/5    "You could say, Look, is this guy, Laden, really the bad guy that's
        depicted?" -John McCain, 1998
        http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/1998/11/vest.html
2008/10/4-9 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51381 Activity:low
10/4    You know what I hate more than a politician focused on truthiness?
        A politician like Biden who just flat out lies.
        http://tinyurl.com/474d2r
        \_ dude, new york post, seriously?
        \_ Dude, New York Post, seriously?
           \_ Oh, I'm sorry that you're such a sorry sack that you ignore
              lies because you don't like the source.  Here are a few more:
              http://www.investors.com/editorial/editorialcontent.asp?secid=1501&status=article&id=307927962885677
              His lie about "supporting clean coal":
              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yjx8RnDfdvM
              His lie about Obama never supporting the Hamas election:
              http://www.foxbusiness.com/story/rnc-obama--foreign-policy-flip-flops
              \_ That hardly says what you claim it does.   I know you are
                 desperate to make people forgot what a mendacious campaign
                 McCain is running, but this is weak at best.
              His lie that Obama never said he'd meet with the president of
              Iran without preconditions:
              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1dSPrb5w_k
                \_ What is the 'with preconditions' crap?  I don't get it.
                   It's not a very good sounding soundbite.  Presidents meet
                   with whoever the hell they want.
              Full transcript of the debate:
              http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/02/debate.transcript
              \_ I know at least some of those New York Post "facts" are
                 disingenuous at best.  For instance the leading general
                 in Afghanistan specifally said that, while he needs more
                 troops in Afghanistan a surge like in Iraq would not
                 be effective because the two contries different (ignoring
                 the question did the surge really work considering the
                 higher troop levels were still there and the whole point
                 of the surge was supposed to be a short term tactical
                 surge that would alleviate the need for a long term
                 force buildup.)  Meanwhile Palin claims troop levels
                 in Iraq are lower than pre surge which is a flat out lie
                 and when called on it she insists that it is true.  What
                 the hell is that?
        \_ You know what I hate more than calling the NYPost a newspaper?
           When supposed newspapers rely on paraphrases rather than
           quotes, and then attack those paraphrases with opinion and
           further paraphrases of poorly named sources rather than facts
           and quotes. How hard would it be to line up a Biden quote with
           a source showing an actual lie?
        \_ They lost me at "For all the focus on Srah Palin's graceful
           performance..."
        \_ What is the Dittohead desperation level now? I guess it was too
           much to expect you guys to lose gracefully.
        \_ Can you take a video of your head exploding after America elects
           the most liberal member of the Senate and a renowned Marxist, to
           the most liberal member of the Senate and a reknowned Marxist, to
           the highest office in the land?
           \_ Marxist doesn't mean what you think it means.
             \_ http://csua.com/Politics/Domestic/President/Reagan/?page=1#50284
                I don't really think he is the most liberal member of the
                Senate either. -pp
        \_ Why aren't you concerned about Palin's lies?
           http://tinyurl.com/4fpela
           \_ I didn't say I wasn't. -op
2008/10/3-6 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51377 Activity:nil
10/3    McCain knows Latin America... biblically
        http://www.miamiherald.com/americas_conference/story/711991.html
2008/10/3-9 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51372 Activity:nil
10/3    I know  why McCain doesn't ever look at Obama.  I know why McCain
        loathes Obama.     To McCain, Obama is a civee.  Obama smokes dope.
        Obama is a self absorbed smartie pants who never bled, never served.
        \_ And Thank God we have a system where we have Civilian rule, not
           military rule.
           \- then he should hate BUSH 10x [the warrior poseur] and
              CHENEYCO [chickenhawks] 100x as much.
              \_ Please don't bring reason into this.
              \_ He probably does, he is just better at hiding it.
        \_ Rolling Stone has a pretty long detailed extensive article about
           his military service.  It's also really mean.  Not sure what to
           think of it.
           http://rollingstone.com/news/story/23316912/makebelieve_maverick
           \_ I actually don't know of any conservative that reads
              Rolling Stone.
              \_ I completely agree.  The article is pretty detailed.  I had
                 no idea McCain has crashed so many planes.  The LA Times had
                 a similar article:
                 http://tinyurl.com/3jyu4c
              \_ I don't know anyone under 40 that reads Rolling Stone.
2008/10/3-6 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51369 Activity:nil
10/3    I would say that if anyone patronized anyone, Palin patronized Biden.
        "There you go again!"  "You washington folk don't know what it's like."
        And that sort of stuff.  Perhaps my partisanship is showing?
        \_ After the debate, I felt good. I know Obama is the winning
           ticket. I love Obama, and I'M READY FOR SOCIALISM. Fuck
           y'all capitalists. SOCIALISM NOW!!!
        \_ No, you are right, she did.  What do you expect?  When she tried
           to actually say anything of substance she showed how empty her
           understanding of the issues was so she had to go on the attack.
           \_ But 80% of the people in oh-so-white Valencia, CA thought
              she won. The rest were undecided or didn't care.
              \_ CA voters don't matter. What matters is how Palin did in
                 suburban Denver or Alexandria, VA.
        \_ Biden followed proper vp debate procedure and basically ignored
           Palin, and only attacked McCain and promoted Obama.  I don't know
           if that convinced any independent voters though.
           \_ According to polls it did.
2008/10/3-7 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51361 Activity:nil
10/3    I'm fucking sick of politicians who think truthiness beats truth.
        http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2008_10/015014.php
        \_ You could have stopped before "who"
           \_ Yes, but then it would have been a noisy snide comment instead
              of an actual expression of disgust. -!op
2008/10/2-6 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51359 Activity:nil
10/2    New Palin strategy: If you don't know how to answer the
        question, just make up your own and answer that instead.
        \_ So she's graduated to the national stage as a politician?
           \_ Yes, and to be more specific, she's a certified Republican.
        \_ MSNBC says 19% said Palin won and 2.9% tie. Loyalty, baby,
           loyalty. It's something Democrats do not have.
           \_ 100 -(19 + 2.9) = 78.1% either though Biden won or had no
              opinion. But hey, math is hard.
              \_ You miss what PP was saying.  PP was saying that even with
                 Palin's crappy performance, 19% of the respondents are so
                 loyal to their Republican Party that they insist she won.
                 PP didn't say that she actually won or that the majority
                 thinks she won.  -- !PP
                 \_ thank you. you get 100% for reading comp, and the pp
                    gets 0.                     -not the pp, but pp pp
                    \_ You get 0 for writing grade. Try harder. -confused pp
           \_ Freeper: "Palin was good enough, I'm going to vote for McCain
                        now."
                        \_ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFSSvtaaF-c
        \_ Just saw interviews from ppl who thought Palin won. Are there
           ANY non-whities who thought Palin won?
           \_ MAVERICKS, all of them.
2008/9/30 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51338 Activity:nil
9/30    why didnt obama start the debate with 'THANKS FOR SHOWING UP'
2008/9/30 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51337 Activity:nil
9/30    Obama smokes.  Why aren't we deathly afraid of PREZ BIDEN
2008/9/30 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51336 Activity:nil
9/30    wow Michelle Obama could seriously wrestle McCain and his wife,
        and WIN.
2008/9/29-10/6 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51327 Activity:nil
9/29    "This bill failed because Barack Obama and the Democrats put politics
        ahead of country," McCain spokesman Holtz-Eakin said.
        A majority of House Democrats supported the proposal and the majority
        of House Republicans opposed it. A total of 133 House Republicans
        voted against it, with 95 Democrats opposing the plan.
        \_ obama and mccain both need to be kicked in the head.  they both
           still support the bailout in its current form.
           \- look, there are some dems being slightly difficult trying
              to make sweeping changes to mortgages and even more so bank-
              ruptcy laws. but they are not any where near proposing insane
              things like "capital gain taxes to free frozen capital" ...
              which is basically a step away from "let's sell hawaii to
              dubai". if you cant see the difference, you are truly a
              dumbfuck. unfortunately there are a lot of you, including
              the alaskan lipstick pig. as long as these people are pulling
              the debate ... i hate to say rightward ... since this is
              really outer space beyond anything in the reasonable spectrum...
              it distorts the jockeying toward something acceptable.
              it distorts the jockeying toward something acceptable. obama
              in a sense has little to do given that pelosi and frank etc
              are negotiating in good faith, have supportive of bernanke
              and paulson, and keeping the dems if line better than the
              republicans are. even junior bush isnt being that awkful.
              the republicans nuts are the problem, and that is a problem
              for mccain and the republican leadership [i dont think mitch
              mcconnel is front and center on this, but a lot of the nuts
              in this case are in the R leadership]. but in no sense is there
              obama - mccain equivalence, or dem/rep equivalnence.
              \_ i see the difference and i think am in agreement w/you -pp
              \_ further proof that liberals can't spell and indent and
                 capitalize because they think they're special
                 \- nobody called me a liberal until i began to rant against
                    these incompetent, lying assholes.
              \-BTW, i dont think the current bill is "socialist"/hardass
                enough, but i am not sure if doing nothing is better than
                the current plan [i.e. cost the wall street and equity owners
                what they should pay, but risk the unemployment rate going
                up a few percent]. i think the real intervetion needs to
                look like the WBUFFET "aid package" to GS ... tap their
                cash flow in a bond-like way, and get equity stake ...
                but again i dont understand the implications of the govt
                holding voting/non-voting equity. i would probably be ok
                giving WBUFFETT $700bn and tell him to do what he can ...
                sort of a Modern Financial Cincinatus :-)
2008/9/26-30 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51320 Activity:moderate
9/26    McCain is going to be our next president. I didn't know how bad
        Obama was in the debate until this very moment. It is a dark dark
        realization. Sad. Depressed.                            -liberal
        \ You want to make a bet on that?  -aspo
           \_ It's all about how you say it and how you look. It's clear
              the old man is calm and looks better. He irritates the hell
              out of the young man who is fiercely trying to defend himself.
              \_ As I said.  A simple bet, say $100? -aspo
        \_ Old man is well composed, irritates young man who now looks
           more like super sighing Al Gore
        \- DRAW, BABY DRAW
        \_ Obama knocked it out of the park. McCain looked old, cranky and
           inarticulate and kept talking out of turn. I am sorry to say
           that the most liberal member of the Senate will be the next
           President. -Conservative
        \_ Undecided voters favored Obama:
           http://tinyurl.com/3hsfhp
           inarticulate. Obama looked Presidential.
           inarticulate. Obama looked Presidential. -Conservative
        \_ There's going to be a really big poll in November.  Worry about
           arguing your points, not the outcome of the vote.
2008/9/26-10/1 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51316 Activity:nil
9/26    McCain lies about the Obama wanting to raise taxes on people
        making $42K.  Does he like being known as McCain the Liar?
        \_ Better than Obama the fascist.
           http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/attacking-obama.html
           \_ Did you even read that article?  Do you have 3 functioning
              brain cells or do you just like acting like a mouth breathing
              moron.
              \_ Yes, I did read it, thanks.
               \_ So are you dumber than dirt or just a troll?
2008/9/26-30 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51313 Activity:nil
9/25    How the McCain Administration forced the Large Hadron Collider to go
        offline.
        http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=13047
2008/9/26-30 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51311 Activity:nil
9/26    McCain wins debate!  Oh...errr....
        http://donklephant.com/2008/09/26/mccain-wins-debate
        \_ So far McCain is far more well composed and articulate than
           Obama. Obama rambles a lot, and called him "Jim" Oh man
           I'm not happy about this.                    -liberal
           \_ McCain is holding well, Obama is defending himself
              fiercefully. This IS looking ugly.
        \_ He is preparing for the debate.
           http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/politics
           This is BRILLIANT. He says there is "significant progress"
           towards the financial sector and thus will resume his campaign.
           He's going to use this as a leverage, criticizing Obama for
           not caring about the financial sector, while throwing off
           the Obama people who didn't expect this coming. Element of
           surprise, baby.              Sun Tzu's Ancient Art of War.
           \_ Don't you ever get bored pretending everything that McCain
              does is BRILLIANT!  If McCain was caught raping a 12 year
              old you'd have some story about how this was a brilliant
              tactical move on McCain's part and that Obama is playing
              right into his hand by suggesting that we shouldn't rape
              12 year olds.
              \_ You're BRILLIANT!!!
               \_ And obviously playing right into McCain's hands.
        \_ This reminds me of the time I was in junior high. I got into
           a fight with this guy and he was losing so he said "ok ok,
           I give up, you're right." I turned around, and the next thing
           I knew I was in the hospital. What a sucker I was. All I can say
           is ... well done, McCain. Obama is sucker.
           \_ You are idiot.
2008/9/25-30 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51300 Activity:nil
9/25    Palin stood out for ignoring Russian issues in Alaska
        http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2008174647_palinrussia12m0.html
        \_ "Palin has never visited Russia and until last year the 44-year-old
           Alaska governor had never traveled outside North America. She also
           had never met a foreign leader until her trip this week to New York.
           In the CBS interview, she did not offer any examples of having been
           involved in any negotiations with the Russians."
           http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080925/ap_on_el_pr/palin
2008/9/25-10/1 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51299 Activity:nil
9/25    American public overwhelmingly wants debate and campaign to continue:
        http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=5e756118-0e6c-4a5e-a5e4-6080de9dab6a
2008/9/25-10/1 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51298 Activity:low
9/25    Palin on CBS: ouch
        http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=11420
        \_ Actually a lot of good 'ol farm land belt Americans prefer
           he colloqialism(sp) and her honesty and her FEISTYness.
           Don't underestimate the power of CONSERVATIVES!!!!!!!
           Remember 2000 and 2004?
        \_ Maybe this whole "no deabate" thing is just an excuse to cancel
           the VP debate. Too bad, I was really looking forward to it.
           \_ No maybe about it.
              \_ Argument from final consequences.
               \_ Truth hurts
        \_ http://preview.tinyurl.com/4t38ja
           She is totally incoherent here.
        \_ http://preview.tinyurl.com/45cft8
           Even conservatives are starting to talk about the Palin Problem.
2008/9/25-10/1 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:51295 Activity:low
9/25    Yah, we saw this coming, but congresscritters prevented Fannie/Freddie
        from being fixed
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgctSIL8Lhs
        \_ Mission Accomplished!
        \_ And the Bush Admin vetoed the fix congress sent them.
           \_ URL?
              \_ It was on the motd last week, but here it is again:
                 http://csua.org/u/mdd
                 \_ That's not what the article says.  The bill passed the
                    house but not the Senate, hence it was never vetoed.
                    I posted another article that claims Bush backed the
                    Bill.  I doubt it, but McCain apparently sponsored it.
                    It never made it out of committee in the Senate, the
                    committee is/was chaired by a Dem.
                    \_ No, the Senate was controlled by the GOP in 2005. When
                       you control the Senate, your party chairs all the
                       committees. That is how the Senate works.
        \_ Why are you so obsessed with F&F? It is the unregulated CDS that have
           caused the financial meltdown.
        \_ Why are you so obsessed with F&F? It is the unregulated CDS
           that have caused the financial meltdown.
2008/9/25-30 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51293 Activity:nil
9/25    Barack Obama hard at work...signing autographs
        http://tinyurl.com/4rpakj  [yahoo]
        \_ HOW DARE HE DEFACE THOSE ROLLING STONES!
2008/9/25-30 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51292 Activity:low
9/25    McCain campaign not actually suspended
        http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/25/mccain-campaign-still-act_n_129327.html
        \_ How dare you imply McCain is telling a fib!
        \_ All this stuff runs fine autonomously, why would it stop?  Saying
           McCain is lying here seems like a pretty big strech.
           \_ So why did he "suspend" his campaign again?  Why is it vitally
              important to suspend the debate?
                \_ Allegedly because McCain's services are absolutely
                   essential for resolving the $700B banking crisis?
                   \_ And a debate would just be too tasking for poor
                      little McCain?
                      \_ Political compromises take time.
                   \_ According to this anyway: http://csua.org/u/mg8
              \_ Huh?  He is not campaigning, he's in Washington working on
                 the deal (aparrently).  He suspended his campaign activites,
                 why would that stop low-level volunteers from doing their
                 jobs?  Do you get off work when the CEO is on a business
                 trip?
           \_ No one is accusing him of lying.  It's more like people are
              accusing him of a meaningless political stunt, which is
              hard to argue with.
              \_ Aside from above guy?
        \_ The only people who are saying McCain made a bold move that will
           defend America are Republican strategists.
        \- i am quite demoralized by mccain lately, but this is a stupid
           stupid stupid issues.
2008/9/25-30 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51288 Activity:nil
9/25    motd palin guy, please view
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jl4HIc-yfgM
2008/9/25-30 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51286 Activity:nil
9/25    check out our next President:
        http://tinyurl.com/4a38uq
        \_ Palin's a side-show.  The more attention you pay to her, the
           more successful her candidacy is.  -tom
           \_ she got YOUR attention.
              \_ what do you mean?  -tom
                 \_ exactly.
                    \_ troll lvl 1 sez:  you responded - gotcha!
                    \_ troll lvl 1:  you responded - gotcha!
2008/9/24-29 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51285 Activity:nil
9/24    McCain has the 3rd worst attendance record in Congress.
        The two above him are DEAD.
        \_ So I guess that means he'll die soon?
2008/9/24-29 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51284 Activity:low
9/34    ok motd mccain guy.  what do you think of mccain trying to get out
        of the debate ?
        \_ what about it?       -mccain guy
        \_ Obama, always taking the chance to talk rather than act.
           \_ Yeah, now what McCain would do is get a group of mercenaries
              together, arm up, and invade those investment banks once
              and for all.
           \_ Yawn.
        \_ He hasn't figured out the answers to the potential questions yet.
2008/9/24-29 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic] UID:51277 Activity:nil
9/24    At least it isn't a 400 dollar haircut!
        http://www.usmagazine.com/news/john-mccain-uses-american-idol-makeup-artist
        (To be honest, I don't care about the prices, but I am sad that we
        had days or network news coverage about a 400 dollar haircut when
        that's just part of the price of being a national politician.  And
        I do wish the fake outrage from the shitheads on the right got the
        same silent treatment as the fake outrage from the shitheads on the
        left.)
2008/9/24-25 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:51276 Activity:nil
9/24    "Laura Bush: Palin lacks foreign policy experience"
        http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080924/ap_on_el_pr/palin_laura_bush
2008/9/24-25 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51275 Activity:kinda low
9/24    Cindy McCain's outfit wasn't $300k after all
        http://tinyurl.com/49opdu
        \_ Why should anyone care? She's rich, she can afford whatever
           jewelry she puts on her, why should that bother anyone?
           \_ Because her husband is running around trying to tar Obama
              as too elite to be president.
           \_ But Obama is some uppity elitist while McCain is a good old
              boy just like you.
           \_ I don't know why anyone would care, but much was made of it at
              the time.
           \_ Weren't you the guy making fun of Edward's $400 haircut?
        \_ I wish it was still a month ago!
2008/9/22-23 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51262 Activity:nil
9/21    Why has McCain deliberately spent the last 30 years covering up
        evidence of US soldiers still left in Vietnam?
        http://www.nationinstitute.org/p/schanberg09182008pt1
2008/9/20-23 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51247 Activity:moderate
9/20    "Moose Shooting Mama", a country music about Sarah Palin, is
        #4 most popular country download this week. She makes a
        great VP, yeehaw!!!
        \_ She's going to make an even better wtf footnote when Obama
           wins.
           \_ History has proven over and over again that ignorance,
              gullibility, and loyalty is more powerful than mere
              intellect.        -hardcore D obama voter but has no faith
                                 in our own party
              \_ Not only that, but you nominated a nincompoop. Oops.
              \_ I appreciate the Dems' ability to screw things up in
                 4Q more often than the San Diego Chargers, but I think
                 it's time to shed the several-times-bitten,-hundred-
                 times-shy act and get on with winning this thing.
                 Obama's a solid candidate, and people like him; cf.
                 the RWC's contention that he's some sort of dema-
                 gogue for proof of this. Stay on target. The end of
                 the tunnel is in sight.
                 \_ GOD I hope you're right but I've lost faith long time
                    ago. All it takes is swift boaters fucking everything up.
                    Don't underestimate the power of R.         -pp
                    Each time a Republican candidate says "Remember 911!!!"
                    his approval rating goes up by 1%. I will vote for Obama
                    but I totally fear Republicans. FEAR!!!             -pp
                    \_ John Kerry was an old-school 80s Dem. He lost by 3%,
                       the same margin by which Yushchenko "lost" the
                       Ukrainian election. The difference? The Orange
                       Revolution crowd was behind Yushchenko all the way,
                       while even the hardcore Dems weren't really behind
                       Kerry. This is different. There's energy here.
2008/9/18-23 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51233 Activity:moderate
9/18    What an energy expert!
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvUsdmqGYV8
        Christ, has she been taking lessons from Miss Teen S. Carolina?
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj3iNxZ8Dww
        \_ Keep laughing. It's not WHAT you say but HOW you say it.
           Keep laughing. You're going to regret it.
           \_ If it's how you say it Palin has a serious problem.
              \_ No, she talks stupid enough that stupid people can understand her
                 and think she's smart. Doesn't matter if she's smart.
                 You don't get it cuz yer smart.
                 \_ DING DING DING. I'm a liberal and I completely understand
                    how the campaign works. My people over complicates
                    and over-interprets everything as if most people actually
                    care about issues. It's never 100% issues!!! Combine it
                    with the way you look. The confidence you have. The way
                    you talk and relate to average blue collar workers.  I
                    mean just observe Reagan who can relate well to everyone.
                    If my people want to appeal to the other 1/2 of the brain,
                    they need to start picking candidates who are smart enough
                    to look good and use carefully chosen dumbed down
                    languages. My people are excellent at numbers and issues
                    and if they can emulate the other 1/2 with good looks
                    and carefully chosen, dumbed down languages, we'd have
                    a recipe for success. Unfortunately, the Barak Obama
                    campaign architect isn't getting it, using the same
                    'ol ineffective methods as John Kerry that only appeal
                    to New Englanders and latte sipping yuppies.
                    \_ I see you didn't watch the clip.
                    \_ How is Obama up by five in the polls then?
                       \_ Five is hardly statistical victory. Besides
                          Dems have had a history of better poll results
                          but worst actual outcomes. Dems are young and
                          love to participate in polls but don't vote
                          because they have to work. Reps are older and
                          hate to participate in polls but they actually
                          have more time to vote.
                          \_ Oh, it is going down to the wire again, no doubt
                             about that. I think the superior Obama ground
                             game will give them the election this time, but
                             it still could go either way.
                             \_ How is it "superior"? It's superior in
                                the eyes of D's and a total farce in the
                                eyes of R's.
                                \_ There are something like 10X as many
                                   Democratic volunteers than Republican
                                   volunteers this time around. Even right
                                   wing sites like newsmax are noticing:
                                   http://preview.tinyurl.com/4qw9cu
                                   You'll see.
                                   \_ Oh man, I hope you're right, because
                                      I've lost all hopes after 2000 and
                                      2008 seeing how lame our candidates
                                      have been and how blind voters were.
                                      I hope you're right.      -pp, Dem
                                      \_ http://donate.barackobama.com
                                         I already gave $4600, so I am tapped
                                         out, but I am going to Las Vegas to
                                         campaign for the week before the
                                         election.
                                         \_ Wow I donated $50. You're probably
                                            100x richer than 90% of the Dem
                                            voters and only 1/10000 as wealthy
                                            as elite R voters
                                         \_ Hahaha. How many hours of work does
                                            that 4600 represent? Where do you
                                            think it went? Actually I find this
                                            sad. There are a lot of charity
                                            type things you could have spent
                                            that on.
                                            \_ How much did you give to charity
                                               this year? I think getting the
                                               crooks out of the White House is
                                               the best gift I could give my
                                               community.
                                               community. It was more than a
                                               week's pay but less than two
                                               week's.
                                                \_ and if he wins you're
                                                   gonna pay more! LOL
                                                   \_ So in other words, you
                                                      don't give any money to
                                                      charity and only look out
                                                      for yourself. But you have
                                                      to problem giving the rest
                                                      no problem giving the rest
                                                      of us "advice" on how to
                                                      spend our money and time.
                                                      I think America has had
                                                      enough of that kind of
                                                      selfish cynicism, no
                                                      thanks.
                                                      \_ Hello liberal! Wanna
                                                         hold hands and sing
                                                         kumbaya & smoke weed?
                                                         \_ Hello, GOP stooge!
                                                            Two of those are
                                                            legal now because
                                                            of libs; 3rd
                                                            coming soon.
2008/9/18-23 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51231 Activity:nil
9/18    I can't imagine a black person voting for McCain/Palin.  I just
        can't.
        \_ So you're racist?
        \_ For whom is Powell going to vote?
           \_ Nader
           \_ Obama
2008/9/18-23 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51228 Activity:nil
9/18    Obama's lies.  How can you trust anything Obama says?
        http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/from-the-fact-1.html
        \_ Sorry, this isn't even the same as the crap McCain/Palin are
           pulling.  It is an ugly attack ad.  And ugly attack ads are sad.
           But it isn't anywhere nearly as mendacious as McCain has been.
           Oh and I'm sorry, the Republican party can't try to run away
           from the fact that it's media presence is extremely xenophobic
           and anti-Mexican.  Nor does it help that McCain reverses himself
           on these issues regularly.
           \_ Sorry, but you'll have to try harder to justify this one.
              Do you really think this is the sort of thing we need in the
              White House?  Misleading distortions and pandering to the fears
              of immigrants but representing himself completely differently
              depending on what group of people he addresses?
              \_ So you don't think the Republican party has been aggessivly
                 anti-Mexican when it helps their cause?  Really?  From that
                 same blog post: "McCain has changed his rhetoric and his
                 emphasis when discussing immigration after almost losing
                 the GOP presidential nomination because of it."  A nice way
                 of saying that McCain will say anything that sounds good.
                 \_ Do you think McCain has been?  He's been the most
                    aggressive supporter of amnesty in the Senate.
                    \_ And yet he is now pandering to the Republican base
                       because his old views aren't popular.  That's what
                       "changed his rhetoric" means.  Just like the old
                       McCain was anti religious fundementalism but the
                       new McCain is happy to jump into bed with creeps
                       like Hagee.  Pandering to the base does make you
                       responsible for what that base says.
                       \_ McCain has said since the public outcry that we have
                          to secure the border before immigration reform can be
                          readdressed.  How is this pandering to "the base"?
                          80% of the country agrees with this.
                          \_ Where did you pull that number from?
2008/9/18-23 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51227 Activity:nil
9/18    I just heard a good point.  Sarah Palin isn't so bad.  She's
        energized the Republican base, but jesus christ Democrats are
        almost as equally energized, waking up in a cold sweat in the morning
        and thinking OMG ARE YOU SERIOUS?????????????
        \_ Sarah Palin isn't so bad?  I don't think I trust your "good points".
2008/9/18-19 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/RepublicanMedia] UID:51226 Activity:nil 60%like:51220
9/18    I'd like to quote out of context from last night's Palin/Hannity
        interview:
        "I think that’s significant, but even more significant is the role
         that the lobbyists play in an issue like this also. And in that
         cronyism — it’s symptomatic of the grade of problem that we see right
         now in Washington and that is just that acceptance of the status quo,
         the politics as usual, the cronyism that has been allowed to be
         accepted and then it leads us to a position like we are today with so
         much collapse on Wall Street."
        NO CONTENT AT ALL.  I have not read any economist or Treasury figure
        blame 'cronyism' or 'politics as usual' for our economic meltdown.
        I guess I really must be out of mainstream America if this crap works.
        I am a little in awe and in shock at how shallow our future President
        is.
2008/9/17-19 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51215 Activity:nil
9/17    McCain declares the new enemy of the U.S. is... Spain?!
        http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/217710.php
        \_ Give him a break.  Senility is hard on everyone.
        \_ Zapatero, Zapatista, a bunch of Spanish communists by any other
           name right?
2008/9/17-19 [Politics/Domestic, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51214 Activity:low
9/17    The latest Metrolink crash is a proof that mass transit doesn't
        work well. When you drive your own car, you control your own
        destiny.

917     Mark Mellman on liberalism and moral relativism:
        http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/17/opinion/17mellman.html
        \_ Yeah I'm sure that's what the union pacific engineer thought too.
        \_ Are you really this stupid or are you just trolling?

917     Mark Mellman on liberalism and moral relativism:
        http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/17/opinion/17mellman.html
        \_ That's not moral relativism.  That's moral pluralism.
           http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_pluralism
2008/9/17-19 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51213 Activity:low
9/17    Palin like popcorn.
        \_ Palin's rimless glasses has a 2 month back-order. People love
           Palin. She looks good. She sounds strong. She must be a
           good leader because she looks good and sounds good.
           \_ she sounds like a moron
           \_ You mean her "Tina Fey" glasses.
2008/9/17-19 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51210 Activity:nil
9/17    More and more McCain lies
        http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/despite-claims.html
2008/9/17-19 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51201 Activity:nil
9/16    Hey look at that, more blatant lies from team McCain.
        http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/16/AR2008091603406.html
        How can you trust anything McCain says?
        \_ 1) It's blatant, btw
           2) The article says that in 2005, AK accounted for 18 percent of
              domestic production in 2005.
              \_ The article says 7.4 percent or 13 percent depending on
                 if you want to give Palin credit for forgetting that
                 "oil and gas" includes natural gas.  And if you the percentage
                  declines from 18 to 13 percent WHILE YOU ARE IN CHARGE
                  you should know that.  Not to mention that the first time
                  she made up these numbers she was claiming 20 percent of
                  ALL DOMESTIC ENERGY when the actual number was 3.5%.
                  Good thing she "knows more about energy than probably
                  anyone."
                  \_ My point is that calling this a "blatent [sic] lie" is a
                     bit much.  Yes it's an exaggeration, and should be
                     corrected.  But "how can you trust anything" is
                     ridiculous.  The fact that WaPo is essentially part of the
                     Obama campaign should add further skepticism.
                     \_ McCain's campaign cavalier attitude with the truth
                        is McCain's fault, not Obama's.  Frankly the last
                        8 years of being governed by an administration
                        that thinks they can make their own reality was
                        enough for me.
                     \_ Oh you poor poor Republicans, with the media plotting
                        against you and all. Now the WSJ is part of the
                        evil liberal media empire, too, isn't it?
                        http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122158863680544013.html
2008/9/17-19 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51200 Activity:nil
9/16    Even the WSJ is calling this a failure of deregulation:
        http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122161053317045669.html
        \_ "Freed from the intrusive meddling of government" except
           it wasn't... the financial industry is still tightly bound
           up with the operation of the Federal Reserve, and the current
           bailout activity is proof that the government was never
           absent.
        \_ McCain now has come on board, too:
           http://preview.tinyurl.com/6msbxe
           \_ And you believe him?  McCain dosn't exactly have a good
              track record of telling the truth or sticking to his word.
              Why do you think one speech means he has suddenly done
              a 180 on this?  Is the "McCain is pandering" explanation
              more likely?
           \- mccain's point man on this is martin feldstein, who is very
              smart, but is also significantly involved with AIG. although
              obama's point man robert rubin might be corrupted too.
              \_ "might be"?  "very smart"?
                 You are Cal grads.  You know McCain.  You know a former C
                 bigwig.  Use your brain.  Make your own decision on what
                 the state of the U.S. financial markets is like and why
                 politicians / "their advisors" are saying what they are.
2008/9/16-19 [Consumer/PDA, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51199 Activity:nil
9/16    Isn't RIM a Canadian company? If John McCain invented the BlackBerry,
        how does that help our economy?
        \_ McCain took the money RIM gave him for inventing the BlackBerry and
           invested it in his 7 American houses.
2008/9/16-23 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:51198 Activity:low
9/16    (Brought up with update)
        Interesting old NYTimes article.  It seems Bush tried to overhaul
        Fannie and Freddie regulation 5 years ago, but was blocked by Dems.
        http://csua.org/u/mdc
        \_ Thanks, this renewed my faith in McCain
        \_ How was it blocked by Dems if the GOP had a majority of both
           houses of Congress?
        \_ Newer NYTimes article. The house DID pass a reform bill 3 years
           ago (with bipartisan support) but it died in the Senate after
           Greenspan and the Bush administration opposed it, according to
           the former Republican congressman who had pushed for it.
           http://csua.org/u/mdd
           \_ McCain apparently sponsored the this Bill in the Senate, but
              it never made it out of committee. http://csua.org/u/me8
              \_ Senator John McCain (R-Ariz.) said: "I'm always for less
                 regulation" and referred to himself as "fundamentally, a
                 deregulator."
                 \_ So what?  So am I, but Freddie and Fannie were a
                    terrible implementation of priviatization and
                    deregulation.  What kind of idiot says to businessmen
                    "Ok, I'll take all the risk, and you can have all the
                     profits.  We'll have congress watch you."  That's
                    just flat out retarded.
                    \_ So far, I have never seen a politician come out and
                       say "I am in favor of bad government" but it is amazing
                       to watch the GOP go from "government is bad" to
                       "nationalize everything" in two weeks.
                       \_ As a free market person I am disappointed in the
                          actions of the GOP. I don't much care for the
                          GOP, but WTF are they thinking? My take:
                          1) Preserve stock equity for their cronies
                          2) Pander to the public ahead of the election
                          No honest Republican or fiscal conservative wants
                          any part of this crap plan they are wasting taxpayer
                          money on. In fact, who *does* want it other than
                          Wall Street? Why should the gov't bail out Wall
                          Street? The gov't is broke. Wall Street has been
                          raking in massive profits. The US banking system
                          will be just fine. Reprice the debt, declare a
                          loss, and move on. Good ideas will still find
                          capital. There's a lot of money flowing in the
                          markets around the world.
                          \_ The entire world is a free market. If the
                             US government is incompetent, good people
                             with good ideas will simply move their ideas
                             to countries where it is profitable for them.
                             If the US government is unfit to compete, then
                             it deserves to die.        -free market person
                          \_ The problem is that so much of our economy is
                             based on nothing -- just moving numbers around
                             computer systems.  Financial markets are supposed
                             to support real markets, not the other way around.
        \_ Nationalization of Freddie and Fannie is a good thing.  It should
           never been privatized.
2008/9/16-19 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/President] UID:51191 Activity:nil
9/16    Remember when Pelosi said this would be the most ethical congress in
        history?  Oh well.
        http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122158705277343865.html
        \_ When is Stevens going to step down?
           \_ Apples/Oranges.  I'd love Stevens to leave, but Pelosi could
              strip Rangel's chairmanship in a heartbeat.  You'd think the head
              of the Ways and Means committee should, I don't know, *not* be
              committing tax fraud?
2008/9/16-19 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51190 Activity:nil
9/16    we are so screwed.   i actually dont get down on Palin about earmarks.
        Alaska is far away.  Stevens spent the last 50 years bringing earmarks
        to Alaska.  Alaska loves it.  for Palin and McCain to campaign on
        how she crushes earmarks dead it kind of funny though.
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naXqE4dTxPA
        \_ This video is incorrect.  She hasn't been a member of AoG for 6
           years.
2008/9/15-19 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51181 Activity:nil
9/15    goddamit, 3 weeks ago the electoral college looked like it would go
        for Obama, no matter what.  McCain is a freakin' genius.
        \_ Who is McCain's architect? Genius. I have no idea how he
           did it. Palin probably disgusted a bunch of liberals into
           not voting anymore.
           \_ Uhh, you keep thinking that.
2008/9/15-19 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51180 Activity:nil
9/15    This is pretty funny.  In Dreams From My Father Obama's time at
        Buisness International might have been a little embellished.
        http://csua.org/u/mcy
        \_ I saw this too, but just noticed that the comments are from a year
           ago.  Why hasn't the press investigated this?
           \_ Too busy investigating Palin's children.
        \_ Uh, it looks like he didn't exaggerate anything at all, from the
           comments section. He probably did not "have a secretary" but he
           had help from the secretarial pool.
        \_ Wow, that's almost as important as McCain and Palin lieing
           about anything they feel like.  BRIDGE TO NOWHERE!
           \_ What's IMPORTANT is that they can say anything CONFIDENTLY
              and that's what Americans want.
              \_ Which explains why the economy is in shambles.
2008/9/14-19 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51166 Activity:nil
9/13    I just heard Palin on the radio in ANOTHER speech where she claims
        she was against the Alaskan earmarks.  SHE SAID "THANKS.  BUT NO
        THANKS." AGAIN.  I wish she'd cut it out.  I'm not going to fault her
        too much for taking the money, just lying about it, and sounding
        annoying while lying about it.  Has any governor in the history of
        this universe ever refused federal money?  I bet they haven't in
        the last 100 years.
        \_ OH YEAH?  Well, that's just like, your opinion, man.
2008/9/14-19 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51164 Activity:nil
9/14    The Obama and McCain tax plans, in a nifty chart:
        http://preview.tinyurl.com/5s4l7j (Washington Post)
        \_ Per this article, per O's plan, I would be getting something like
           $1k tax cut, and everyone less well off than me would
           be getting a larger % tax cut.  Under McCain's plan, everyone
           BETTER off then me would be getting a larger % cut.
2008/9/14-19 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51160 Activity:nil
9/13    Yup, no racism in this election AT ALL!
        http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hNafTsdlgbSZ8YMoFRDSgrVlEwGwD936205O0
        \_ You are the racist one, for even pointing this out. I am sure it
           is all a harmless joke.
           \_ You're joking or trolling? right?  Please tell me you're joking.
              I'm the racist one?  Huh?  Are you familiar with "little black
              sambo?"
2008/9/14-19 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51158 Activity:nil
9/13    McCain's campaign continues to be at war with the truth.
        http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601070&sid=a1J0tfV3XJYs
2008/9/13-19 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51155 Activity:nil
9/13    Gibson's interview with Obama vs. his interview with Palin:
        http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/showthread.php?t=29535
        \_ Except for the fact that Obama is no longer a virtually unknown.
           Noone knows anything about Palin and there are less than 2 months
           for that to change and McCain's campaign isn't exactly putting her
           out there for unscripted appearances, and they made the clear
           before the interview.  Also, if Palin was good enough to be
           a serious VP pick she should have done just fine in that interview,
           and it would have done her reputation wonders.  But now that
           she flubbed it bad the complaints start about how IT ISN'T FAIR.
           Shouldn't you go back to whining about lipstick on a pig?
        \_ If she can't handle a carefully scripted interview, what kind of
           job would she do as President?
2008/9/12-18 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51152 Activity:nil
9/12    uh oh.. Obama a real religous nut.
        "Give me the wisdom to do what is right and just. And make
        me an instrument of your will." --Barack Obama
        \_ Haha. If you can't see the difference between this and God's Army,
           I pity you.
        \_ Wait, was this the prayer he wrote at the wailing wall and that
        \_ Wait, was this the prayer he wrote at the Western Wall and that
           some hypocrite rabbinical student stole and sold to a hard right
           Isreal rag?
           Isreal rag?  Troll harder.
        \_ Wait, was this the private prayer he wrote at the Western Wall
           that some hypocrite rabbinical student stole and sold to a hard
           right Israel rag?  Troll harder.
           \- the obama note was just a collection of stock phrase "forgive
              my sins" "be not proud" "instrument of yoru will" "give me
              wisdom". these dont mean all that much. not that it isnt
              sincere, but it's just going through the motions. the point
              of course it's one thing to go through the motions at a
              famous religious site and other to inject jebus into policy
              discussions.
2008/9/12-18 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:51149 Activity:nil
9/12    http://jamesfallows.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/09/the_palin_interview.php
        a well thought out comment about the Palin interview.
        \- that is a good "adult" discussion of matters. thanks for the link.
        \- That is a good "adult" discussion of matters. thanks for the link.
           SPALIN is a good exaple of what i call "reptillian intelligence".
2008/9/12-18 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51148 Activity:nil
9/12    The latest blatant lies from McCain
        http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/belittling_palin.html
        \_ Facts don't matter to 1/3 of the voters. Emotions do.
           I'm rooting for Obama but I know McCain is going to win. Oh well.
           \_ *sad face*
           \_ If the election was held today, I think Obama would just squeak
              in, with the Kerry states, plus CO, NH & NM. McCain might get the
              popular vote though.
2008/9/12-18 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51147 Activity:nil
9/12    More blatant lies.  He's not even trying to hide it.
        http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/2008/09/mccain_talks_up_palin_as_a_ref.php
        \_ I don't expect The View to be the nytimes but maybe they should
           have challenged him a bit there.
           Also you could make half of America's headspin if you reveal
           that for a brief period of time when Palin was mayor, her town
           was charging rape victims for rape kits.
           \_ Which was only stopped because the State Leg. made a law
              that slapped them down hard.
2008/9/12-18 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51144 Activity:nil
9/12    Figure in Rosenberg Case Admits to Soviet Spying
        http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/12/nyregion/12spy.html?hp
        Sorry, this has nothing to do with Obama or McCain
2008/9/12 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51143 Activity:high
9/12    Wow, did McCain really just call Obama a pedophile?
        http://preview.tinyurl.com/5da4p8
        Wasn't this supposed to be a clean campaign?
        \_ On a related note.  When was the last time we had a clean
           presidential campaign?
           \_ Still, if true, that is sinking pretty fucking low.
        \_ No he didn't, and the criticism of the ad is flatly wrong.
           Here's the law in question:  http://tinyurl.com/5rzmru
           Note that on line 14, the grade 6 is crossed out and replaced with
           K.
           \_ Woah there cowboy, go view the ad.  Read the supporting info.
              I'm going to say this is a really shitty move by the McCain
              campaign.  Defend yourself.
           \_ How so?
           \_ So it now says: "Each class or course in comprehensive sex
              education offered in any of grades K through 12 shall
              include instruction on the prevention of sexually transmitted
              infections, including the prevention, transmission and spread
              of HIV." This statement does not require that kindergarteners
              be taught sex ed, and I highly doubt that was Obama's intent.
              Requiring that little kids be told that "you can get bad
              diseases from adults touching you inappropriately" seems a much
              more credible interpretation. McCain is just a slimeball.
              \_ not only that, but it says "Each class ... *offered* in any
                 of grades ... *shall include* ... [etc]".  This doesn't add
                 anything unless there was a class covering it already
2008/9/11-18 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51142 Activity:nil
9/11    best lipstip on pig controversy comment
        http://undercoverblackman.blogspot.com/2008/09/useless-irony-of-day.html
        it is almost getting so bad i want to confront McCain supporters with
        WHAT ARE YOU THINKING????????????????????????????????
        \_ if Obama didnt have an inkling that statement would cause a
           stir especially after the Lipstick and bulldog comment,
           then he is too clueless to be a diplomat and will lead us
           to more wars.
           \_ Bullshit.  This was a total nothing, and if it didn't make
              for an interesting horserace story the press would have
              ignored it like it should have been.  Stop pretending there's
              any story here beyond McCain trying to outdo Bush in sleazy
              campaigning.
        \_ I already confront Obama supporters with that question.  You want
           to hire a guy with no clue what he's doing, why?!?
           \_ I think Obama has a clue.  I think McCain is too old, going
              slightly senile, is in danger of dying at any moment, has a
              bizarre world view where the US can simultaneously occupy Iraq
              Iran and Russia.  I think Palin may be a nice enough person
              but she's not ready to be president.  Her interview from last
              night demonstrates this.  She has no clue.  The last couple of
              McCain bits where he infers that Obama was teaching sex ed to
              kindergartners make me a little sad.
              \_ I have yet to see any evidence that Obama has even the tiniest
                 of clues.  Everything he says is pre-scripted to the audience
                 he is talking to.  Which makes him the equivelent of a
                 modivational speaker.
                 \_ Yes but I love moDivational speakers, and so do a bunch
                    of people. McCain is too old to energize and synergize
                    the next generation of hope.
                 \_ Most policy is set by the people the President hires. Who
                    do you think will surround themselves with a better staff?
                 \_ This is a video from the MTV Q&A session in 2007. While
                    not great on too much detail, I thought that Obama did a
                    fair job of presenting the case for Net Neutrality and
                    explaining the issue to an MTV-level audience. His
                    response is not pre-scripted, but you can see that he's
                    thought about the issue:
                    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vd8qY6myrrE
                 \_ Did you watch any of the debates?
2008/9/11-18 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51141 Activity:nil
9/11    Gibson is such a loser.  He can't even quote Palin and tries to correct
        her on what the quote is.  She said:
        "Pray that our national leaders are sending our troops on a task that
        is from God."
        He leaves out the first 2 words.
        \_ Even Palin is apologizing for this now, you are on the wrong GOP
           talking point.
           \_ don't, know or care much what Palin is doing, but I watched the
              Video, and you have to be an idiot to not realize those first
              two words are rather significant. -voting for Obama
              \_ You have to be an idiot to think that refering to an
                 army in the Middle East as being on a task from God isn't
                 beyond dangerous.  And someone here tried to claim "lipstick
                 on pig" would lead to wars?  Palin proved she has no
                 business being a national figure.
2008/9/11-18 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51136 Activity:nil
9/11    Palin foreign policy: War with Russia!
        http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/story?id=5778018&page=1
        \_ If a member state of NATO is invaded by Russia, you are against
           aiding them?  What exactly is NATO's purpose in that case?
           \_ Which says to me we shouldn't be offering NATO membership
              to unstable, belligerent new nation states.
           \_ Not sure.  If Russia invaded Poland or Lithuania or Belarus
              or Latvia, I think we'd have to resort to saying mean things at
              this point.
           \_ Your brain has been classified as: small.
                 \- YMPM5c
              \_ This content-free post has become tiresome.  please come up
                 with a different meme.  maybe lolcats or something.
           \_ The countries under discussion are not NATO members.
              \_ RTFA
        \_ Sadly I think the public will interpret this insanity as "strong
           on Defense."
           \_ No, they won't. Some percentage less than 50% will, Palin is
              just playing to the base here. It is a risky move.
              \_ Fuck risky.  It is proof McCain/Palin are only interested
                 in winning and not interested in sound policy.  Haven't we
                 had enough of "win at any cost"?  That's what gave us the
                 last 8 years of disaster.
2008/9/11-18 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/Gay] UID:51135 Activity:kinda low
9/11    http://www.edge.org/3rd_culture/haidt08/haidt08_index.html
        \_ Warning, strong libUral slant. I mean, come on:
           "We can explain how Republicans exploit frames, phrases, and fears
            to trick Americans into supporting policies (such as the "war on
            terror" and repeal of the "death tax") that damage the national
            interest for partisan advantage.
        \_ Really good article. "Most Democrats don't understand that politics
           is more like religion than it is like shopping."
           \_ BRAWNDO!  IT'S WHAT PLANTS NEED!
        \_ http://yourmorals.org
           I thought I was a liberal but it turns out that I'm a
           moderate. On the 5 foundations (harm, fairness,
           loyalty, authority, purity), I am consistently in between.
           \_ This is an interesting test. I line up very strongly with
              liberals on fairness, purity and authority scores, but I have
              high loyalty and less concern for harm (like a conservative).
              I always have prefered the moniker "armed liberal" to describe
              myself, though, so this fits.
           \_ "Whether or not someone violated standards of purity and
               decency."
              How the hell do you answer a question like that without knowing
              what the standards of purity and decency are?
              \_ How *do* you answer it? Don't you think there is a standard?
                 If not, you are probably a liberal.
                 \_ Right, because only conservatives are decent.
                    \_ A conservative certainly wouldn't have to ask what
                       the standards of purity and decency are, would they?
                       \_ Yep, they'd believe in the wrong answer already.
                          c.f. torture.
                 \_ If this is somehow part of your definition of conservative
                    v. liberal, your definition needs some serious
                    re-evaluation.
                    \_ No, it is you who needs to do some serious self-
                       examination. Conservatives have a legitimate reason to
                       bash liberals for "moral relativism" and the sooner you
                       understand why, the more you will understand about the
                       debate. And I am a liberal, by the way, but at least
                       I have bothered to take the time to understand what
                       Conservative positions are grounded in.
                       \_ So there's no moral relativism to being gung-ho
                          about torture?  There's no moral relavtivism to
                          to treating terrorists differently if they are
                          white and christian?  You are confusing recationary
                          xenophobia with something else.
                          \_ Are these serious questions or are you just being
                             rhetorical here, it is hard to tell. I see nothing
                             in The Bible that prohibits torture, in fact there
                             are parts that seem to indicate it is permissible.
                             Your claim that conservatism is xenophobic
                             precisely misses the point.
                             \_ What does The Bible have to do with it?
                                Torture being ok for brown and/or poor people
                                but not for good decent folks is a fine example
                                of having relative morals.  Or do you think
                                the republican party is going to start putting
                                people in "stress positions" until they start
                                talking about insider trading?
                                \_ Don't confuse "the republican party" with
                                   conservatism. I know more than one
                                   evangelical in my family would have no
                                   problem with giving the FNM execs a serious
                                   beating. And other Wall Street types. I don't
                                   think their point of view is unusual.
                             \_ The new testament is pretty seriously against
                                torture.  Matthew 5, and 5:39 in particular,
                                Matthew 25:31-46, John 9:7 to take a few
                                obvious verses.  -tom
                                \_ http://preview.tinyurl.com/3kteeh
                                \_ http://preview.tinyurl.com/3n63ux
                                   \_ Almost all of that is in the Old
                                      Testament.  And the New Testament
                                      references don't imply that it's OK
                                      for people to torture other people.  -tom
                       \_ This asinine insistence that "conservatives" have
                          some sort of monopoly on moral certitude has no
                          basis in reality. Some liberals have similarly
                          inflexible morals ("All corporations are evil."
                          "Profits are immoral." "Israel's actions in the
                          occupied territories are war crimes." "The military
                          should be abolished.") "Moral relativism" is a
                          bullshit charge leveled against people who don't
                          share your particularly restrictive morality
                          while deliberately ignoring whatever moral code they
                          might actually have. (Cf. Rick Santorum's assertion
                          that legalizing homosexual marriage will lead to
                          legalization of bestiality and pederasty.) If the
                          question is "whether or not someone violated" MY
                          "standards of purity and decency," then yes, that
                          would be particularly important to me. If the
                          question is "whether or not someone violated" Fred
                          Phelps' "standards of purity and decency," I really
                          couldn't give a fuck.
                          \_ I have all the right to sodomize you as long
                             as I have the power to do so. Yes!
                             \_ See now, if that had been the question, there
                                would have been no ambiguity.
                          \_ Let's see what is the dictionary defintion of the
                             word "liberal":
                             # Not limited to or by established, traditional,
                               orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or
                               dogmas; free from bigotry.
                             # Favoring proposals for reform, open to new
                               ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas
                               and behavior of others; broad-minded.
                             It is not my fault that you have decided that
                             the word "liberal" means something different than
                             what it means to the rest of the English speaking
                             population. The fact that "some (self-identified)
                             liberals" do not fit the definition doesn't mean
                             you get to twist it to suit your own personal
                             agenda. Good luck on your newspeak efforts though.
                             agenda. Good luck on your Newspeak efforts though.
                             Do I really need to pull up the dictionary
                             definition of conservative to make my point?
                             \_ Nothing in those definitions implies moral
                                relativism.  It just implies having an open
                                mind.  Having strong ethics and morals does
                                not mean someone is closeminded or a bigot.
                                I don't think newspeak means what you think
                                it does.
                             \_ Yes, please. And while you're at it, discuss
                                why the Right Wing Conspiracy continues to
                                belittle people with fixed but opposing views
                                as "liberal." *I* didn't decide on this
                                definition or culture-war distinction; I
                                prefer the word "progressive."
2008/9/10-12 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/President] UID:51129 Activity:nil
9/10    http://tinyurl.com/5eqg2v
        Did Obama plagiarize from this cartoon?
2008/9/10-17 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Israel, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51126 Activity:nil
9/10    http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/16/mccain-aid-israel
        John McCain want's to stop all aid to Israel.
        (Ok, no he doesn't, but it's proof that John McCain is willing to
        say any old shit he thinks sounds good without actually worrying
        about if what he says is reasonable.)
        \_ Why do we do this anyway? Send many billions to both Israel and
           Egypt.  Who wants to try defending that?
           \_ It is cheaper than a war in the ME.
2008/9/10-12 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51125 Activity:nil
9/9     McCain supporters: What do you like about a campaign that would
        run an ad like this?  Do you really think that's the sort of
        thing we need in the White House?  Really?
        http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/09/new_mccain_ad_badly_distorts_o_1.php
        \_ I don't give a shit about this. -McCain supporter
        \_ This doesn't bother me either. Seems par for the course. -Ind.
2008/9/10-14 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51124 Activity:nil
9/10    McCain is morally unfit to be president
        http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/09/mccains-integri.html
        \_ From the guy saying we should interview Palin's OB to find out if
           Trig is really her baby?
           \_ So you've got nothing to respond to his charges.
              \_ No, just that everything that comes out of Sullivan's face
                 should be viewed with healthy skepticism.  I'll look into it
                 when I have time.
                 \_ Translation: Sullivan is 100% right but I'm going to
                    stick my fingers in my ears and say LALALALALA I CAN'T
                    HEAR YOU.
                    \_ Obama fan desperation level red!
                     \_ Don't your ears hurt when you jam those fingers in so
                        deep.
                    \_ No, I hadn't read it.  Now I have.  Wow, what a loon. He
                       says that McCain lacks integrity because:
                       1) He didn't endorse Kerry in 2004
                       2) He didn't vote to outlaw tortore "as bad and worse
                          than the torture inflicted on him in Vietnam" (which
                          is a joke)
                       3) "MTV-style attacks on Obama's virtues"
                       4) He "thre caution to the wind and with no vetting"
                          picked Palin
                       This is a joke.  Seriously
                       \_ Sullivan's a Republican who supported the war at
                          first and then later concluded that it was a bad
                          idea; he endorsed Kerry in 2004. McCain's failure to
                          take a stand against torture is viewed by many sane
                          people as a political capitulation. Your reading
                          comprehension is suspect on the third point. Palin
                          opposed everything that McCain has stood for until
                          he adopted the part line. What, of any of the things
                          above, does not point to a lack of integrity? Also,
                          which of these is crazy? Your disagreement is not a
                          valid psych diagnosis.
                          \_ My third point is a direct quote.  Sullivan may
                             have been a conservative at some point, but he's
                             gone wildly off the rails.
                             \_ Your "direct quote" leaves out the charge of
                                slime that relates directly to the charge of
                                lack of integrity.
        \_ This is retarded.  Most of his critisisms, aside from the torture
           one, are stronger against Obama than McCain.
           \_ Huh?  Is up down?  What the hell are you talking about?
            \_ He seems to think Obama also thinks "lipstick on a pig" is
               calling Palin a piggy pig.
               \_ No, McCain's being silly there, but Obama has also done
                  similar things.  So, it's a wash.
                  \_ I see a stunning lack of examples.
                  \_ The "equality" argument is such horeshit.  This is like
                     equating the entirety of the Iraq WMD travesty with
                     a stupid comment of Michael Moore's.
                     \_ You're right, Obama hinting that all of his opponents
                        are racists was much worse.  I shouldn't have tried to
                        equate them.
                     \_ You're right, Obama's repeated hinting that all of his
                        opponents are racists was much worse.  I shouldn't
                        have tried to equate them.
                        \_ Can you give ANY examples?  Or are you just making
                           shit up?
                           \_ Obama keeps playing the race card, saying his
                              opponents will say "his name is funny" or "he's
                              black".  The most recent example was in the last
                              week or so.
                              \_ So no, you can't.
                                 \_ Oh for heaven's sakes, are you living in a
                                    cave? Have you forgotten how to use google?
                                    Here's an old one.  (Easiest to find.)
                                    http://csua.org/u/mbc
                                    \_ Fuck you whomever deleted my
                                       response to this.
                         \_ But of course it is okay that McCain says that
                            opponents of Palin are sexist.
                         \_ I guess you've missed out on the rather unsubtly
                            racist ads McCain is now running.
                        \_ In the 2000 primary, Bush supporters push-polled
                           that McCain had a secret black baby out of wed-
                           lock; these people weren't racists, they were
                           politically savvy-- and morally bankrupt. For
                           Obama to say that he expects his opponents to
                           make fun of his name and try to stir up fear by
                           reminding people that he's black is not an
                           accusation of racism; it's pulling a proven
                           tactic out into the open before it gets used
                           covertly. Getting back to the original point,
                           there is no grand total score of Good/Evil for
                           you to use to "balance" the two candidates on.
                           Take each case as it comes and evaluate it
                           given its importance to you. Various Voting
                           Poll sites have worked this out, and so can you.
        \_ I do not understand why McCain is not world's biggest opponent of
           torture.
2008/9/9-14 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51117 Activity:nil
9/8     What is with PALIN and her BLATANT LIES? wtf
        http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/2008/09/tpmtv_palin_a_reformer_simply_laughable_--_background.php
        \_ Wait, so "politico" is a right-wing rag, and tpm is okay?!?
           \_ Do you deny the charges?  Even the WSJ is noticing how much of a
              liar Palin is.
              http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122090791901411709.html
              \_ I'm looking into the bridge issue. It's the only one that may
                 have merit. However, considering how much mud has been thrown,
                 I'm not going to accept it unless it's rock-solid.  Also, the
                 Alaskan Dems credited her with killing it, though they've
                 since scrubbed their site of that.  Here's the google cache:
                 http://tinyurl.com/5cqdw9
                 \_ Once it became obvious that the Bridge was a national
                    disgrace AND CONGRESS WASN'T WILLING TO FUND THE ENTIRE
                    THING, Palin killed the project because she didn't want
                    to spend state money on it, but happilly kept all the
                    money the federal government had given her already for
                    the project.  Read that WSJ article, I'm pretty sure WSJ
                    is ideologically pure enough for you.
                    \_ "However, Gov. Sarah Palin said the $398 million bridge
                        was $329 million short of full funding, and only $36
                        million in federal funds were set aside for it. She
                        said it was clear Congress had little interest in
                        spending any more money for it and that the state had
                        higher priorities."
                       This hardly sounds like "killing it." Also, there is a
                       charge that although they stopped the project, AK kept
                       the money.
                       \- also WSJ:
                          ...today, Sen. McCain again asserted that
                          Sen. Obama has requested nearly a billion in
                          earmarks. In fact, the Illinois senator
                          requested $311 million last year, according
                          to the Associated Press, and none this
                          year. In comparison, Gov. Palin has
                          requested $750 million in her two years as
                          governor -- which the AP says is the largest
                          per-capita request in the nation.
2008/9/9-14 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/President/Reagan] UID:51115 Activity:nil
9/9     Liberals keep talking about how Palin is loud, annoying, obnoxious.
        Liberals hate candidates with big egos & obnoxious personality.
        You know what? That's exactly what conservatives vote for. Palin is
        playing the Ronald Reagan card... fuck all issues and just look
        nice on TV and be bright and be seen. The Ronald Reagan card is
        wins 48% of the votes, and is exactly what will get candidates
        into office. Sorry liberals, you just don't get it.
        \_ What sort of troll are you?
        \_ Right. If the Dems "got it," they'd remind people that:
           --McCain divorced his first wife, a former swim-wear model, after
             she was horribly disfigured in a car accident.
             \_ Dude are you serious? URL?
                \_ actually this is true.  while McCain was in POW camp,
                   his wife was in a terrible car accident that required
                   25+ surgeries that left her 4 inches shorter.  she didn't
                   tell him this while he was in POW camp, figuring he was
                   suffering enough.  when he got back to the states,
                   he divorced her, and soon married the rich Arizona heiress.
                   \_ Who was young enough to be his daughter.
                \_ The Daily Mail is a horrible rag, and yet I think they
                   managed to capture the outrage pretty accurately on this:
                   http://preview.tinyurl.com/6gbzhw (Daily Mail)
                   \_ According to the article, he got back to the US in 1973,
                      and divorced her in 1980.  So it's a pretty big stretch
                      to say he divorced her because of the accident.  -tom
                      \_ Good point. It's more accurate to say that he was
                         running around on her, chasing other women, and that
                         he divorced her to marry a rich and pretty younger
                         trophy wife.
           --McCain called his second wife a cunt.
           How dare they take the high road!
           \_ The cunt story is dumb.  If you've ever been in a relationship
              you'll know that there are sometimes ugly fights.  The divorce
              stuff does, however, say something about McCain.
              \_ Frankly, what the guy says in privacy (or at least in hushed
                 tones) doesn't particularly matter to me. Saying it in public
                 just makes me wince. It _is_ dumb; he ought to know better.
2008/9/9-14 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51113 Activity:nil
9/9     I am a democrat but my prediction is Obama will lose.  He's a
        better speech giver, but what exactly has he done? He can talk
        the talk but there's no proof that he has what it takes do to
        the job. He had a golden opportunity to pick Hillary as the VP
        to form the dream ticket. It would've shown to the outside
        world that he will unite force with competitors for the common
        good, and he can put aside criticisms in the past. The
        combined ticket will also benefit from advice and help from
        Bill Clinton, who bought us 8 great years before the current
        bush fuckup, and whom I and a lot of people highly respect.
        But no, his current pick shows his arrogance (who needs the
        Clintons), immaturity (pick a white dude with more experience
        but less well known), insecurity (Clintons will have different
        view from him so his job will be easier without the Clintons),
        and over estimating himself. He is a black person after all.
        While I have nothing against black people, wining the election
        as a black person will be quite a challenge in itself. He's
        not Collin Powell, he's just a young black dude with good
        speaking skill at a good opportunity, but has yet to prove
        himself. Will there be enough people that trust him?

        It was a very smart move for McCain to pick a female VP. You
        have a war hero with a woman VP to win those voters that
        supports woman in politics. Unfortunately this will be a much
        bigger percentage than the die hard Clinton supporters that
        will vote for Obama because they've got no choice. Personally
        I probably won't even vote. The only way Obama is going to win
        is if the country really got sick and tired of the Republican
        Party after 8 years and wants something different. If this is
        the only thing he's banking on then it's very risky.

        Let's just hope that the war trained McCain got more common
        senses than Bush does so it won't be that bad if McCain wins.
        \_ You know what?  You might be right that O could lose.  However,
           you're still an idiot.
        \_ I'm a decline-to-state who voted for Hilary in the primary and
           McCain in the 2000 primary. I've always (so far) voted Democrat
           in Presidential elections. I am not wild about Obama, but I
           don't think he will lose. I think the choice of Biden was a
           good one (Biden was my pick for President above Hilary, but
           dropped out before I voted). The Clintons are very polarizing,
           which is what I told my Democrat friends back when Hilary was
           running for the Senate. A lot of people love them, but a lot of
           people really hate them. I think their association hurt Al Gore
           and Bill didn't do Hilary any favors in this election. Obama was
           wise to avoid them. McCain isn't really loved by anyone, even
           Republicans, because he is a loose cannon and Palin's strength
           is in appealing to voters who weren't going to vote for Obama
           anyway. I guess it draws out Republicans who might have stayed
           home otherwise if that was an issue. I think a Biden/Obama ticket
           makes more sense than an Obama/Biden ticket. My main beef with
           Obama is that I still know almost nothing about him or his record.
           He's a very charismatic speaker which makes me nervous, because
           people like that can be convincing. That *can* be a plus, but I
           don't like that attribute when mixed with his status as a relative
           unknown. I like leaders with a track record.
           \_ That is basically the same thing The Economist said about him,
              that he needs to define himself better if he wants to win.
           \- the fact that sarah palin appeals to anyone is a deep condemnation
              of america. and why are you paraoid about barak's unknowns
              rather than palin's knowns and things mccain has said he would
              do [like further plutocratization]. between experience and
              somebody treating me with contempt ["alaska is on the border
           \- the fact that sarah palin appeals to anyone is a deep
              condemnation of america. and why are you paraoid about barak's
              unknowns rather than palin's knowns and things mccain has said
              he would do [like further plutocratization]. between experience
              and somebody treating me with contempt ["alaska is on the border
              with russia, thus ..."] and additionally there some some
              evidence obama is refelctive, unlike BUSHCO ... and may studies
              show often the incompetent are overly confident.
              \_ What does this say?  Does some one here speak illegible?
              \_ What does this say?  Does someone here speak illegible?
                 \_ It says your reading comprehension is low.
                    \_ or the author is writing to the wrong audience. Does
                       he/she want to be read and understood, or just seem
                       aloof and elitist.
                       \_ Man, I had always thought the elites would at least
                          use occasional capitalization.
                       \_ ...the wrong audience? This is the CSUA motd, not
                          freerepublic. Work that Cal degree, code monkey.
              \_ Where did I say that I like Palin at all let alone more
                 than Obama?
2008/9/9-12 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51111 Activity:low
9/8     So err, how many of you computer SCIENTISTS think it would be
        hunky dory to have a VP that wants to teach creationism in our
        schools?
        \_ How many of you computer SCIENTISTS have figured out this is a
           completely untrue smear?
        \_ Yeah, she so crazy! "I don't think there should be a prohibition
           against debate if it comes up in class. It doesn't have to be part
           of the curriculum," she said.
           \_ "I am a proponent of teaching both."
              \_ http://csua.org/u/mai
                 Basically, she doesn't seem to care.  There was an argument,
                 she said, "Heck, teach both."  When peope didn't like that,
                 she said something along the lines of "nevermind."  It's
                 pretty disingenous to claim she "wants to teach creationism
                 in schools."
                 \_ It's also disingenuous to pretend that "teaching both" is
                    reasonable debate and not simply pushing mythology (and
                    Xian cosmogony). Palin:
                    "It's OK to let kids know that there are theories out
                     there. They gain information just by being in a
                     discussion."
                    That's Intelligent Design, and it's not a theory, it's
                    mythology.
                    \_ Sure, and I agree with you.  So what?  She hasn't
                       pushed it, and seems to have no real interest in the
                       question.
                       \_ It's a tough nut as well. ID is a joke, but "teach
                          both" sounds fair until you look hard into it.
        \_ No one will accuse her of being an intellectual pinhead.  She's
           vocally pro abstinence only sex ed in schools (HA HA HA HA), she
                   \_ No she's not, she very clearly said she's for teaching
                      birth control as well as abstinence in schools.
           claimed that we are in Iraq as part of God's plan (I can almost
                                                \_ No she didn't
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9H-btXPfhGs _/
                \_ Yah, I've seen the video.  She didn't say what you think she
                   said.
           give her a break since she didn't write her convention election
           speech, but I bet Obama and Biden wrote theirs).  Her whole
                       \_ Show the evidence that *any* of the speakers at
                          either convention wrote their own speech.
           denying wanting funding for the Bridge To Nowhere is odd, since..
           that is demonstratably false.  I have some relatives up near '\
           the bridge to nowhere', the press never mentions that it's actually
           that is demonstratably false.  I have some relatives up near
           the bridge to nowhere', the press never mentions that it's actually
           not to nowhere, it's to an island that has an airport that is
           used by the entire area.   It's a complete pain to take the ferry
           from the airplane island to the mainland,  Everyone for hundreds
           of miles uses the airport.  It's actually quite handy.
           \_ "everyone for 100s of miles" up there is 300 people.
              \_ There's a lot of oil/gas/fishing industry up there.
                 You could make a case that they should have just built their
                 own bridge if it was so important.
        \_ http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/sliming_palin.html
2008/9/8 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51105 Activity:high
9/7     I will now share with you the best warming up speech for an Obama
        appearance ever.
        "In this corner, the candidate of the people. Skinny young man. Big
         ears.  Funny name. Armed with the experience of humble beginnings.
         Educated in Ivy League suites. Trained in legislative seats.
         Toughened in inner-city streets.  Wearing the helmet of good
         judgment.  The breastplate of hope.  Wielding the shield of unity.
         Carrying the sword of truth. And feet marching to the beat of change!”
        \_ These terms are bullshit: "young" "hope" "unity" "truth" "change"
           Obama is armed with the rhetoric of bullshit. (actually "toughened" is
           pretty much bullshit too... how tough is it for a Harvard lawyer to
           work in Chicago? esp. compared to the competition...)
           Obama is armed with the rhetoric of bullshit. (actually "toughened"
           is pretty much bullshit too... how tough is it for a Harvard
           lawyer to work in Chicago? esp. compared to the competition...)
           \_ Thanks for playing, you lose!
              \_ To who?  He sure kicked your butt. -!pp
                 \_ Asserting something doesn't make it true.
                    \_ Thanks for playing, you lose!
                       \_ We could go around and around all day, and you'd
                          still be a dumbass.  Woops, I've been trolled.
                          \_ LAUGH, you post a bunch of contentless rahrah
                             and then whine when I call you on it.
                             \_ I'm not the op, I'm a dumbass posting
                                one line garbage responses.
2008/9/8-9 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:51103 Activity:low
9/8     Stay classy, college republicans
        http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080908/ap_on_el_pr/college_republicans_obama
        \_ Uh, by kicking that jerk out they are.
         \_ Damage control is not class.
2008/9/8-9 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51102 Activity:low
9/7      I can't stand the smirky tone of Palin's voice.  Her mocking of
         Obama, especially when her facts are wrong or deliberately disengenous
         as they are shoved at her by Republican operatives, pisses me off.
         I wasn't going to vote for her anyway, oh well
        \_ I hated her too.  She has that primly self-righteous tone of
           holier-than-thou which I learned to despise from a co-worker
           of mine, this sheltered whiny self-centered woman-child who
           was pleased to level judgement on everyone else, but who,
           when justifiably called flaky for actions she herself
           committed, got all pissed off and then went on the attack
           instead of admitting that yes, she HAD been a flake, sorry,
           she'll try to do better.
           \- but she runs a state with a land border with CANADA and a
              martime border with RUSSIA
        \_ http://donate.barackobama.com/page/contribute
2008/9/8-14 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51100 Activity:low
9/8     here's a chance for your ranting to be useful to someone:
        assume McCain wins the election.
        Then what happens in the next 4 years?  The economy?
        Wars?  What?
        \_ We invade Iran.  US credibility continues to crater.  Dollar
           weakens further, both in terms of domestic inflation and
           relative to other currencies.  Dollar-denominated oil prices
           skyrocket, driving up prices for everything.  McCain's solution
           is to drill off-shore and in ANWAR; public pressure forces it
           to happen, but it has no effect on the economic situation.  -tom
           \_ Really, you think we are going to invade IRAN under McCain?
              You willing to bet even money on that if he wins? Cause I'm
              happy to take the other side of that bet.  Also you think the
              Dollar is going to behave differently under Obama?  Why??
              \_ McCain loves American military action, and has already
                 expressed interest in attacking Iran more than once.
                 It seems a foolish thing to bet on.
                 The dollar will tank if we don't improve our fiscal
                 situation by reducing the military and raising taxes.
                 McCain will do neither.  -tom
                 \_ I don't know, McCain opposed Bush's tax cuts.  I'd say we
                    have a better shot at fiscal solvency with McCain+Dem
                    congress than Obama+Dem congress.
                    \_ But he supports them now.
                       \_ Anything said during a campaign has zero credebility.
                          You can only trust what they actually do in office.
                          \_ While I understand where this sentiment comes
                             from (cf. "All politicians are liars"), it's a
                             dangerous basis for making poltical decisions;
                             since neither candidate _is_ President, we have
                             little to guide us on what they'll do when
                             elected apart from what they say they'll do and
                             past attempts to make good on their promises.
        \_ Confrontation with Russia.  Probably war with Iran.  Economy
           continues slow grind into dust as rest of world continues
           to lose confidence in our debt-ridden economy.  Further isolation
           as world public opinion solidifies against us and China
           takes our place as a superpower.
        \_ War with Iran requiring massive deficit spending which craters
           the economy.
        \_ Same shit that will happen when Obama is President +/- 10%. When
           will you people figure this out? D's control Congress, so whatever
           happens is on them, too. Historically things are best when
           Congress and President are from different parties, FWIW.
           \_ I have a wild irrational completely not supported by hard
              facts belief that Obama+Biden has a lower chance of completely
              fucking EVERYTHING up than McCain+Palin.  It would be difficult
              to convince me that is not true.  The more I hear Palin on the
              radio, the more I want to quit my job, liquidate my assets,
              and move to a swing state and apply myself somehow to prevent
              the upcoming calamity of McCain+Palin.  Have you heard this
              woman?
2008/9/8-12 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51096 Activity:nil
9/8     http://www.politico.com
        Gallup Poll Daily Tracking, McCain 48% Obama 45%
        Eight more years of conservative darkness baby yeah!!!
        \_ Once again it will all come down to Ohio and Florida.  If you
           really care about this, donate and volunteer.
           \_ Or perhaps VA and/or CO. There are more than just those
              two swing states this year, which makes it kind of
              interesting.
2008/9/7-9 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51095 Activity:kinda low
9/7     Palin agrees to interviews, so long as she is treated with
        "respect and deference"
        http://preview.tinyurl.com/6lsv92
           \_ Because ANY evidence of inconsistency automatically rules
              him out as Presidency-worthy, no matter how trivial,
              because he's a Democrat. If he were a republican, he
              could disappear for an entire war and not be suspected
              of any wrongdoing.  Or, he could receive family patronage
              assuring him of a good military career, and that would
              be completely fine, too.
        \_ Sounds like Obama
           \_ In Obama's case he has to be treated with "obeisance"
        \_ Putin will say mean things to her when McCain dies, making her
           cry
           \_ Hi, no.  Thanks.  The interview will be a farce.  It's been
              arranged essentially like a celebrity interview:
              http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/214508.php
        \- Imperial Vice Presidency!
2008/9/7-12 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51092 Activity:nil
9/7     Rove appointed DA says "no" to prosecuting Obama assasination plotters
        http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/2008/09/fbi-wanted-obama-plotters-charged-but.html
        \_ Bush will pardon them.
2008/9/7-9 [Politics/Domestic/Abortion, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51090 Activity:high Entry has been invalidated. Access denied.
2008/9/6-12 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51082 Activity:nil
9/6     Gee, looks like someone elses pastor likes to rant about America
        being struck down
        http://maxblumenthal.com/2008/09/palins-pastor-god-is-gonna-strike-out-his-hand-againstamerica
        \_ But he's not an angry black man so it's ok!
        \_ Palin left that church before she took office as governor.  Obama
           stayed while his pastor was damning America for 20 years.  Do you
           see the diff?
           \_ I do.  I think it is a complete non issue for both candidates.
              ok it is kind of weird that it is one of those 'gay is a disease
              we can cure you of' churches.
        \_ Didn't Falwell and Robertson blame America for the 9/11 attacks, too?\
           I guess it is okay when a conservative pastor does this.
2008/9/6-9 [Politics/Domestic/911, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51081 Activity:nil
9/6     Obstruction of justice in Alaska
        http://www.newsweek.com/id/157439/output/print
        \_ This whole family belongs on the Jerry Springer show.
2008/9/6-9 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51073 Activity:nil
9/6     obama and mccain might be neck and neck in pop. vote polls.... but
        it is pretty clear obama is way ahead in projected electoral college
        votes.  unless he goe  he goes on some woman hating whitey hating rampage,
        welcome pres. obama!
        \_ Expect an "October Surprise" this year, probably the bombing of
           Iran.
           \_ I believe Americans are ready for 911 type of movies by then
2008/9/5-12 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic] UID:51071 Activity:nil
9/5     The GOP has completed the transition to the party of identity politics
        http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/georgepacker/2008/09/i-wasnt-in-st-p.html
        \_ Thanks for this hilariously bad piece. If the lefties misunderstand
           conservatives this badly, I'm not surprised.
           \_ As the flattery of friends corrupts, so often do the
              taunts of enemies instruct. -Augustine
2008/9/5-12 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic] UID:51069 Activity:nil
9/4     Palin's speech excited the Democrats too:
        http://preview.tinyurl.com/68p4qp
2008/9/4-12 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51066 Activity:nil
9/4     An example of PDS:
        http://news.bostonherald.com/news/2008/view.bg?articleid=1116858
        \_ Huh, I thought it looked pretty good.
        \_ I'd keep using terms like PDS if you were.  It makes you look
           so with it and worldly.
           \_ I use it because of the post a few days ago. -op
            \_ No reason to stop now!  Keep at it little dude.
        \_ Are you joking? Critisizing someones hairstyle is hardly a sign
           of derangement.
           \_ I wonder if OP was up in arms about Edwards' 400 dollar haircut.
              Or Cindy McCain's $300,000 outfit.
2008/9/4-8 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51063 Activity:nil
9/4     R Rep calls Obama "uppity"
        http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/westmoreland-calls-obama-uppity-2008-09-04.html
        \_ Let me spell it out for you.
           U P P I T Y N E G R O.  there.  happy?
        \_ "they're a member of an elitist-class individual that thinks that
           they're uppity," Does that even make sense to anyone here?  It's
           a grammatical mishmash.
           \_ "Elitist" is code for "uppity" in this election.  This rep
              is just letting the veil slip a little.  Note that he
              repeated "uppity" again when asked to clarify.
              \_ So what was it code for in the last election?
                 \_ Catholic.
              \_ That doesn't really answer the question
                 A) He's a member of an individual?
                 B) He thinks he's uppity?  Does it make sense for someone to
                    think they are uppity?
                 Actually, saying elitist means uppity makes even less sense,
                 then he's part of an uppity class that thinks he's uppity.
              \_ Meh, that's just the kind of think the race obsessed say when
                 they can't find any actual racism.
                 \_ Meh, that's just the sort of thing white people say when
                    they don't want to admit their own racism.
                    \_ Haha. Keep chasing your tail.
2008/9/4-8 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51060 Activity:nil
9/4     http://www.abcnews.go.com/Politics/Conventions/story?id=5715542&page=3
        Now even McCain is spouting the party line about how Palin knows
        foreign relations because Alaska is close to Russia.  Wow, that's
        some serious straight talk going on.
        \_ And Alaska is closer to Canada than to the 48 state!
        \_ Kind of stupid but not totally without merit. I think governors
           in California, Arizona, and Texas have a better handle on
           international relations than governors in Kansas, Arkansas, and
           West Virginia for instance.
           \_ I didn't know there America was building a giant fence on the
              Russian/Alaska border.
           \_ If you can't provide content or entertainment on motd,
              don't post anything. Fucker.
              \_ Take your own advice. Fucker.
2008/9/4-8 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Computer/HW/Memory, Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:51059 Activity:nil
9/4     Someone asked yesterday about the Obama/Ayers link.  It took me a while
        to find a link I was happy with, this one is ok.  This guy goes into
        excruciating detail about the Annenberg Challenge and CAC over a
        number of blog posts.  The full Annenberg documents were only recently
        released, and this post predates the release.  The documents are still
        being digested, so this is far from the final word.
        Anyway, it is pretty obvious that Obama and Ayers had a close working
        relationship for at least 6 years (the real relationship almost
        cetainly predates this), in which they funneled millions to Ayers'
        causes and students.  It's also quite obvious that Obama has been
        highly disingenous about this relationship, and many of his statements
        about it have been blatant falsehoods. ("Our kids went to school
        together", etc)
        http://csua.org/u/m9b
        \_ Yes, Obama supports terrorism and wants to KILL WHITEY.
        \_ It looks like Obama has really been trying to improve the schools,
           which is great. I think I am going to give him another $2300.
           \_ Might want to look into what he was spending that money on
              first.  The challenge itself was deemed an utter flop. $100mil
              down the hole.
              \_ Deemed an utter flop by who? This guy is not a reliable
                 source.
                 http://preview.tinyurl.com/554pov
                 The Annenberg Challange is hardly the radical far-left
                 proposal this guy makes it out to be.
                 \_ Sorry, it was a flop _in Chicago_. That is, it had no
                    effect on student performance in Chicago. Your link is an
                    overall evaluation, so not really interesting for this
                    discussion.
                    Also, it was deemed a flop by the Consortium of Chicago
                    School Research (CCSR) in 2003.
                    \_ Yes, that is interesting. I will have to do some more
                       research. But I think it is amusing that an effort to
                       try and weaken the hold of the teacher's union is called
                       a communist tactic by this guy.
                       \_ I with you agree there.  -op
                       \_ I agree with you there.  -op

        here are some new numbers (VM Size in MB reported by Task Manager):
                                        2.0.0.16        3.0.1
        - Startup, empty the cache.     13              23
        - Go to http://www.yahoo.com          17              40
        - Open 6 news pages in          43              69
          6 new tabs.
        - Close the 6 tabs above.       35              54
        - Open the same 6 news pages    44              71
          in 6 new tabs again.
        - Close the 6 tags again.       38              53
        So, after opening and closing the same tabs a second time, Firefox 3
        still uses more memory than Firefox 2.  Any idea?  Thanks.
        \_ The delta between 2 "close the 6 tabs" lines is 3 megs for FF2
           and -1 megs for FF3.  The general problem with FF2 was it tended
           to leak memory over time.  For a desktop app, an extra 10 megs
           is minimal, but since people like to have long lived browser
           sessions, FF2's habit of slowing growing up to 2 gigs of memory
           is a real problem.
        \_ Dunno, I notice better memory usage with lots of tabs open.
           Firefox 2 used to go into the 500 MB range after a while,
           Firefox 3 typically doesn't go above 400 MB.
        \_ I used to have to restart my browser every day. I don't have to
           with FF3.
           \_ FF3 does seem more crashy though.
        \_ Anyway, you made your point. He has extensive political connections
           to an ex-WU guy. A big yawner to me, but perhaps middle America
           cares. I kind of doubt it.
2008/9/4-8 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51058 Activity:nil
9/3     Cindy McCain's outfit: $300k
        http://www.vanityfair.com/online/politics/2008/09/cindy-mccains-300000-outfit.html
        \_ Mostly in the jewelry.  And?
           \_ Just amusing that the incredibly wealthy candidate is the one
              throwing around the "elitist" word.  But I know, cognitive
              dissonance comes naturally.
              \_ Cindy McCain is a candidate?
              \_ elitism has little to do with wealth
                 \_ Do tell.
                    \_ http://www.dictionary.com
                    \_ Don't you Democrats pride yourself on nuance?
           \_ how much for the plastic surgery?
2008/9/4-8 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/California] UID:51056 Activity:nil
9/4     "Attacks, praise stretch truth at GOP convention"
        http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080904/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_fact_check
2008/9/4-8 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51054 Activity:nil
9/4     http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=184086
        Sometimes you just have to shake your head and laugh.
        \_ This post is sexist.
        \_ This totally made my year
        \_ The side-by-sides are my favorite part of the show.
        \_ Who gives a shit what those people say?  What matters is what the
           candidate says.
           \_ ...as they demonstrated at the end of the clip.
2008/9/4-8 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Science/GlobalWarming] UID:51052 Activity:moderate
9/3     What's so bad about community organizers?  From the speeches
        tonight you'd think that was a euphenism for smoking reefer 24/7
        \_ Since the GOP has nothing to run on, they're just running a Hate
           convention.
           \_ Since when has either part had anything to run on? For the
              last 6 years the Dems have been running on "Bush sucks" and
              and now they're running on a combination of "Bush sucks" and
              HOPE! and CHANGE!
              \_ Change is all you'll have if you vote for Dems!  GH Bush
              \_ I don't know about you, but after 8 years of Bush and the GOP,
                 I'm about ready for HOPE and CHANGE.
                 \_ There are a whole lot more ways to change something for the
                    bad than the good.  Obama is basically running on Mcain =
                    Bush! Scary!  Which is obvious BS.
                    \_ I don't think that's BS.  McCain will continue the
                       policies of Bush/Cheney.
                    \_ In what way are McCain's policies different than Bush's?
                       \_ Federal stem cell research funding.  Being able to
                          speak coherently.
                 \_ So how exactly are you worse off?
              \_ Like I said, you've got nothing.
                 \_ Does your life suck and you're blaming it on Bush?
                    Dem party running against GOP: of course they're going to
                    claim that this is the MOST IMPORTANT ELECTION EVAR and
                    that therefore due to ???? they should be elected.
                    The most significant changes we're talking about is stuff
                    is almost completely dependent on the legislators in
                    Congress, and not the president. i.e. the tax plan and
                    healthcare plan.  All the other stuff is just posturing.
                    Do you think Russia is going to give a shit about having
                    a guy who wants to talk to them more?  Obama's going to
                    use his magic inspirational charisma to bring about the
                    Age of Aquarius.
                    \_ Except Bush (or McCain) would veto the tax and
                       healthcare changes we need. Not to mention the energy
                       plan, which is a disaster under the GOP.
                      \_ Haha, "changes we need".  Care to go into specifics
                         about energy?
                         \_ That's right, changes we need. The Bush/McCain
                            economic policies have been a disaster for all
                            but the very richest:
                            link:tinyurl.com/69jh74
                            Go read Obama's policy papers on energy, I don't
                            have the time or inclination to recap them here.
                            But they focus on conservation, not lying to the
                            American people about how much oil we can get
                            out of ANWR or some BS about "clean" coal.
                           \_ I don't need those changes. Hence "we" is
                              laughable. Obama can't shit oil. Conservation
                              is not a long term plan.
                              \_ "Conservation is not a long term plan"?  What
                                 does that even mean?  Conservation is an
                                 choice.  The alternative is destruction.
                                 Conservation alone won't save the society,
                                 but without conservation you lose before
                                 you even start.  -tom
                                 \_ Whatever... McCain focuses on conservation
                                    too, and Obama's energy plan ALSO talks
                                    about your "clean" coal. You guys are so
                                    stupid and full of shit.
                                    \_ McCain focuses on conservation?  Is
                                       that why he's voted against improving
                                       fuel economy and pretty much every
                                       other conservation initiative, pretty
                                       much every time he's been given the
                                       opportunity?  -tom
                                       \_ Please stop parroting left wing
                                          blogs.  I'm obviously referring to
                                          the published "energy plans". Though
                                          McCain has in fact supported CAFE
                                          increases in certain forms (they
                                          quibble about timescales).  But of
                                          course it's easy for Obama to say
                                          he is better because after all he
                                          has no track record to scrutinize.
                                          By the way, stuff like CAFE is BS.
                                          if energy self-sufficiency is a
                                          matter of national security and
                                          protection from foreign volatility
                                          (and it is), then we should have a
                                          fairly high tariff on all imported
                                          energy (e.g. oil). We should always
                                          have had this, and we should have
                                          kept pushing nuclear.
                                          \_ So you're saying that you put more
                                             faith in a campaign promise than
                                             you do in someone's actual
                                             voting record?  Interesting.  -tom
                                             \_ Obama voted for the '05 energy
                                                bill. He voted for more ethanol
                                                boondoggle, clean coal, oil and
                                                gas subsidies. Obama voted for
                                                the porky farm bill. That's not
                                                a voting record I'm happy with.
                             \_ "We" means America here, obviously. Not what
                                some selfish prick in the top 1% of income
                                needs. We are all going into the tank if we
                                don't control our energy usage and our health
                                care expenses. Even you, I bet.
        \_ I think the OP understands that GOP is bashing Obama by labeling him
           as community organizer.  But the questions is why community
           organizer specifically.  What's bad about being a community
           organizer?  (I wonder about the same questions.)
           \_ Community and Communist differ by one letter, 'nuff said.
              \_ 2 letters, actually. Go beah!
           \_ That's just tit-for-tat.  The Obama campaign keeps refering to
              Palin as the mayor of Wasilla, so McCain calls him a community
              organizer.
              \_ You have your tats and your tits backwards. McCain has been
                 calling him that long before Palin entered the scene.
                 \_ Link?  I hadn't noticed anyway.
              \_ I see.  Thx.  -- PP
2008/9/3-8 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51049 Activity:nil
9/3     Caught a minute of the GOP convention, and I swear I heard
        Obama's name mentioned more often than McCain's. (Granted, in
        negative contexts, but still more often.) This seems...
        counter-productive.
        \_ It's been like this all year.  The GOP literally has
           nothing positive to run on.
           \_ Vote for Our Guy! He's not... that guy!
              \_ Pretty much.
           \_ HOPE! CHANGE!
        \_ McCain's name was mentioned more in the Dem Convention
           than Obama's name was at the RNC. I guess the Dems have even less
           to run on? The R's appear to have a more uniform distribution
           whereas the Dems are completely focused on McCain and CHANGE!
           http://tinyurl.com/6yhfym [nytimes.com]
2008/9/3-8 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51048 Activity:nil
9/3     Bristol Palin: HOT!!!!!!!!!!!
        \_ No she's not, her mom is.
           \_ Which of them have bigger boobs?  I think Sarah does.
              \_ what are you talking about?  Bristol is ENORMOUS.
                 \_ Which Bristol pics are you looking at?  URL please?
        \_ Pretty good speaker and an interesting person. I take bac
        \_ Pretty good speaker and an interesting person. I take back what I
           said about her being a light weight.
           \_ really.  she sounded dumb as rocks, IMO, and the GOP women
              looked skeptical throughout most of the speech.
              but according to http://cnn.com,nytimes.com,washingtonpost.com,yahoo.com
              she turned in a 'star-turning performance'
              \_ Sorry, I meant Sarah not Bristol (obviously).
2008/9/3 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51046 Activity:nil 80%like:51023
9/3     Wheew! Good thing running for president has given McCain so much
        executive experience!  (CNN video)
        http://patriotroom.com/?p=1578
        \_ I love how he compares his current job to McCain's last job.
           \_ The McCain campaign keeps doing this.  It's like no one told them
              she's the governor now.
2008/9/3 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51045 Activity:nil
9/3     what the hell is a McCain?
        \_ And more to the point, why not just run a sed on your view of the
           motd rather than insert random nonsense into everyone's view of
           the motd?
           \_ For the lulz.
        \_ I assume he's likening McCain to McCain's vagina.
2008/9/3-8 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51044 Activity:nil
9/3     I changed my mind, Palin is totally awesome.  Please be a part
        of the ticket until the election, PLEASE.  thanks!
        http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv=CrG8w4bb3kg
        transcript of words from Peggy Noonan:
        "it's over..."
        "palin thing is insulting."
        "they're all bummed out."
        "they went for this political bullshit about narratives. It's not
         what [the Republicans] are good at."
        "it's cynical. it's gimmicky."
        \_ better transcript
           http://pastie.org/265602
        \_ I would have voted for Peggy Noonan
        \_ Are you sure it means what you think it means?
           http://online.wsj.com/public/article/declarations.html
           \_ I just LOVE the backpedalling!  Oh boo who she said an
              obscenity on air and apologizes.  Well good thing that's
              over.  Actually I didn't clue in on the fact she said
              "it's over".  And I don't believe her, not one little bit.
              When she said "it's over", she meant it.  She also refrains
              in her column discussing what she said her about
              the Palin pick:
              Todd: Is she really the most qualified woman?
              Noonan: The most qualified no. I think they went for this excuse
                      me political bullshit about narratives..
              So like I said earlier, please keep Palin!
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9/3     McCain refuses to testify in trooper-gate probe, after previously
        agreeing to testify:
        http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/09/palin_aide_dodges_troopergate.php
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8/30    http://FightTheSmears.com apparently is also start-the-smears
        http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/31096_THE ONE_Campaign_Behind_Anti-TINA FEY_Smear_Site
        \_ Ahh, LGF... must be true.  Can I counter this with a Kos link?
           \_ Did you read the article?  Did you follow up on the IP addr
              leads?
              \_ What would you say if I buy http://goatsex.com and HTTP redirect it
                 to http://FightTheSmears.com?  Is that FightTheSmears is also
                 goatsex?
                 \_ Ah, good point.  Thanks. -op
        \_ Learn how CNAME works and get back to us. This is no more
           than grafitti.
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8/30    http://FightTheSmears.com apparently is also start-the-smears
        http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/31096_Obama_Campaign_Behind_Anti-MAGICAL JESUS UNICORN_Smear_Site
        \_ Ahh, LGF... must be true.  Can I counter this with a Kos link?
           \_ Did you read the article?  Did you follow up on the IP addr
              leads?
              \_ What would you say if I buy http://goatsex.com and HTTP redirect it
                 to http://FightTheSmears.com?  Is that FightTheSmears is also
                 goatsex?
                 \_ Ah, good point.  Thanks. -op
        \_ Learn how CNAME works and get back to us. This is no more
           than grafitti.
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