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2008/2/28-3/4 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:49290 Activity:nil |
2/28 Obama must reject endorsement of Farrakhan, but McCain happily accepts endorsement of loony preacher John Hagee http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/02/27/mega-church-pastor-in-texas-backs-mccain/#more-4374 |
2008/2/26-3/4 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:49264 Activity:nil |
2/26 Pakistan rules! Go Musharraf! \_ Nawaz Sharif is a corrupt pimp, and he should have been dragged out back of the airport when he first arrived back and shot. \- if they give him and "mr. bhutto" and ounce of responsibility, they will get what they derserve. \_ Goddamn it, why do we get the leaders we deserve? \- you did in 2004. i thought the "mass desire for change" that apparently exists in 2008 would have happened in 2004 ... becase i wanted to ask people still supporting W then "what more could he have screwed up such that he'd have lost your vote?" [invading a country on false pretenses and botching it, not caputing OBL, loss of america credibility for a generation, probably damaging american military recruiting proscpects for a long time by signaling the civilian leadership holds them in low regard, constrasted with a highly successful recruiting and franchising drive for al queda thanks to the "hooded man" recruiting poster provided by the AbuG and Guantanamo Bay, pluticratization of society, corporate welfare, etc] \_ Thanks. Now I don't have to visit Kos this month. W got elected in 04 because the other guy was a big lamer idiot. Better the idiot you know for 4 more years than the idiot you don't for 8. \_ Turns out, not so much. Ask NOLA. \_ How was Kerry a lamer idiot and why is it better to stick with a known bad over an unknown? \_ Both were bad. One was 4 years max. Kerry was not an unknown. He was and still is an idiot. |
2008/2/24-26 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:49227 Activity:low |
2/24 Nader signs on to ruin America once again http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032608 \_ OH fuck!!! Not Nader again. Why the fuck is he doing this? \_ Nader got 0.38% of the vote in 2004. \_ And 2% in 2000. \_ Which do you think is more likely this time, starting a campaign in March without a party? -tom \_ The point to remember is that had he not run in 2000 Al Gore would have won and stopped GLOBAL WARMING already. Damn Nader for indirectly destroying Iraq and mother nature! \_ Anonymous message to Ralph Nader that we can all get behind: http://csua.org/u/kvm (YouTube-ish vid) \_ bahahahaha this is pretty funny \_ How is he ruining anything? If people prefer him that's their choice. Oh, I know, let's do the kind of democracy where only your guy is allowed to run. \_ I said it before, and I'll say it again: if he wants to run and actually make an impact, he should have started more than a year before the election. Right now, he's just a distraction. \_ Clearly you weren't around for the 2000 election. |
2008/2/22-26 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:49219 Activity:nil |
2/22 In 2000 and 2004 there were web sites that pointed out a graph that showed that States with higher average IQ voted D ("smart people voted for Gore and Kerry"), then there were a lot of other sites that debunked those charts as urban legend. Where can I find a definitive/authoritative source that shows how right/wrong those charts were? \_ There is no such source. Causality is hard, and these sorts of claims are basically political bullshit. -- ilyas \_ http://www.snopes.com/politics/ballot/stateiq.asp \_ "States" don't have an IQ. People do. Very few people have ever had an IQ test. IQ tests were originally designed to test children. Their application to adults is sketchy at best. Need to know any more? |
2008/2/22-26 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/President/Reagan] UID:49217 Activity:nil |
2/22 So when will we know who'll be on the ballot for sure? \_ After both conventions are over. \_ Where the front runners don't have enough delegates in either party and they appoint Reagan vs. Gore. \_ Stocked up on crack again I see? \_ Just because both men are dead is no reason they can't be their party's candidate. Dead people vote. Why can't they run for office? |
2008/2/22 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/President] UID:49216 Activity:nil |
2/22 GOP lobbyist Charlie Black now conducting most of his business from on board the Straight Talk Express http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/21/AR2008022101131_pf.html |
2008/2/20-22 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:49203 Activity:nil |
2/20 McCain - I was against torture until I was in favor of it: http://www.csua.org/u/ku2 |
2008/2/20-22 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:49201 Activity:kinda low |
2/20 McCain bimbo eruption: http://preview.tinyurl.com/3792gm (nytimes.com) \_ Yes, this is just as effective of a charge against being Prez as it was for Bubba, JFK, Lincoln, and etc. \_ Gary Hart? \_ The issue is not that he may or may not have had an affair, but that he had a close relationship with a lobbiest for Bud Paxon, from whom he accepted gifts, and then later used his position to enact legislation favorable to Paxson. \_ There's nothing new about this. McCain's pattern is to do unethical stuff and then act like he's a crusader against those things. "I steal stuff all the time. I'm here to put a stop to that, it's too easy to steal things in America." \_ McCain eruption inside bimbo. \_ 1) Not news at all, this is all old, 2) We've known since the Keating5 days that McCain is corrupt, 3) Clinton taught us that politicians' private lives are private and we should respect that privacy. This is just the NYT doing their standard hit piece on whoever the (R) candidate is. Business as usual. |
2008/2/20-22 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic] UID:49193 Activity:low |
2/20 Is Obama anti-Asian-American? \_ link:tinyurl.com/26zx2v \_ Are you an idiot? \_ No, but I sure met a lot of Asian-Americans while canvassing that seemed to be vehemently anti-Obama. Funny, they would never explain *why* though. \_ Maybe it has something to do with this S.B. Woo spam I keep getting. \_ I googled that and man, to quote Clay Davis on The Wire, "that is some shameful shit." \_ Between this and the spurious accusations linking Obama with Farrakhan, I can already see what tact the GOP plans to take against him in the general election. As pp said, "shameful shit." \_ This sounds more like Billary than the GOP, but it is hard to tell... maybe they are working togethere? \_ I highly doubt it; I just mean that it's liklely that the GOP will target Obama by exploiting ethnic/racial tensions. \_ The Farrakhan thing is coming from the Israel lobby. Pretty sure that they're bipartisan. \_ What are you talking about? URL please. \_ It's because Obama had refused to respond to 80-20 Initiative's questionnaire on Asian American issues until after they gave up and endorsed Hillary. \_ That questionnaire was some dumb shit. Somehow I doubt this is really the reason. \_ No, he did not refuse, he asked for the questions to be clarified, which every other campaign asked for and got. Once the questions were clear, he answered them just like everyone else. \_ Hmm. Hillary responsed on 12/10/07, while Obama responded a whole 7.5 weeks later on 1/31/08. http://www.80-20initiative.net/news/preselect2008.asp \_ When did they clarify his questions? |
2008/2/18-21 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:49176 Activity:nil |
2/16 Poverty is Poison: http://www.csua.org/u/ksu \_ You know, this article started off good until it got to "But progress stalled thereafter: American politics shifted to the right..." which has the effect of turning off 1/2 of the readers in the U.S. On the other hand, I don't know any conservative reading NY times so maybe it's well fitted. \- if you are interested in this topic, read WHY ZEBRAS DONT GET ULCERS. very, very good book. [the book is primarily about something else, but coverns this in some depth as well]. --psb |
2008/2/17-21 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/Crime] UID:49172 Activity:nil |
2/16 NY Times review of "The Age of American Unreason": http://preview.tinyurl.com/292uxg (nytimes.com) |
2008/2/15 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:49163 Activity:nil |
2/15 Obama vs. Paul http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVKSfwfy0h8 |
2008/2/15-18 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:49160 Activity:nil |
2/15 I want Obama to win because I think it would be funny. \_ That's pretty much why I voted for him. Watching Hillary give a concession speech will be the TV of the decade. \_ She could probably top Nixon \_ That seems unlikely. \_ as bad as hillary is/was/will be, she can't top Nixon! \_ She has that whole crying thing down, now all she needs is a dog. \_ Checkers for the win! or lose. \_ I want obama to win the primaries votes, but lose the actual primary (due to superdelegates), just to reinforce my cynical view of the machinery of the Democratic party machine. Bonus points if Hillary then manages to go on and snatch defeat from the jaws of victory and lose the actual election to McCain. \_ I want you to move out of your parents garage. |
2008/2/14-18 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:49147 Activity:low |
2/14 Worst thing about Obama winning the nomination: 6 months of racist (often veiled as concerns as to what the "mainstream" thinks) pandering on the motd. \_ McCain winning would be the worst thing, if it happened \_ You keep saying that but I haven't seen anything racist on the motd re: Obama yet. Are you trying to create that atmosphere? You seem to be the only one posting that stuff like your post below. Everyone else here is talking issues and candidate qualities and policies. \_ I can't keep saying something I only said once. \_ So you and your friend keep saying it. Saying something a lot doesn't make it true. \_ I didn't say there was going to be racist trolls. I was wondering why the "OH NOES HE'S A MUSLIM IN DISGUISE HIS MIDDLE NAME IS HUSSEIN OH NOOOOES" meme popular with freepers hadn't shown up the motd. Most of the other poisonous shit like that (e.g. Swift Boat) was a big topic here. The motd really is letting us down for entertainment value. !op \_ Clue time: this isn't the freepers. There are people here who not on the left but aren't frothing mindless freepers. Why must anyone who disagrees with you automatically be a mindless frothing freeper idiot? \_ Honestly, hasn't most of that been thrown around by the Clinton team? |
12/24 |
2008/2/12-14 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:49129 Activity:nil |
2/12 Obama wins the primary! |
2008/2/11-14 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:49113 Activity:nil |
2/11 Obama is kicking Hillary's ars. \_ Ars Democrata? \_ Is Obama thrusting into Hillary's ars? \_ Yup. link:www.csua.org/u/kqq |
2008/2/7 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:49085 Activity:high |
2/7 Mitt-out Romney: Romney drops out: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7233537.stm \_ San Franciscan style left wing is not MAINSTREAM America \_ You are like a child who comes in at the middle of a movie and demands to know what has already transpired. \_ Middle America style right wing is not MAINSTREAM America. See how fun this game is? Exclude everyone that you don't like! \_ By definition, middle america *is* the middle and therefore mainstream. \_ Actually, it is more like "Southern style holy roller" is not mainstream America. Which everyone else in America knows, but for some strange reason these people do not. |
2008/2/3-7 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Others] UID:49056 Activity:nil |
2/3 Maybe old news - McCain's racist remark from Seattle Post-Intelligencer March 2, 2000: http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/hongop.shtml \_ I've heard it before. I was always a little confused though. Doesn't 'gook' refer to Koreans? \_ Generally considered a reference to Vietnamese. Might have been repurposed from Korean Conflict. \_ I've heard the term referenced against both, but more often referenced against Vietnamese. \_ More to the point, it's a word the soldiers used to refer to the NVA. \- hanguk -> korea. Dae Han Min Gook! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCZ_mbHt30g \_ If ever I would forgive anyone for racism, it's McCain for being racist against Vietnamese. |
2008/2/1-6 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/President/Reagan, Politics/Domestic/RepublicanMedia] UID:49049 Activity:kinda low |
2/1 Who should McCain add as VP? \_ Ann Coulter, for full comedic value \_ The mummified corpse of Ronald Reagan. \_ Dick Cheney \_ Lieberman \_ Joe "Can I suck your Republican dick" Lieberman \_ This is actually a good idea. \_ Obama |
2008/1/25-2/2 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:49014 Activity:nil |
1/25 Goodnight, Kucinich: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/25/us/politics/25kucinich.html |
2008/1/22-31 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:48985 Activity:nil |
1/22 Fred Thompson drops out http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8UB49H00&show_article=1 \_ Damn. Can't see his busty wife's pics anymore. \_ Damn. Can't see his busty wife anymore. \_ Mrs. Jeri "Minnesota Tits" Thompson, the Future First Lady and The First Twins, "Stacey" and "Becca." http://ace.mu.nu/archives/228508.php \_ Do the First Twins "drop out" also? |
2008/1/4-7 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:48893 Activity:kinda low |
1/4 Has anyone seen reporting on Obama being the first black candidate to win the Iowa Caucus? \_ Racist! He's actually only half black. \_ He thinks he's black, so who gives a crap? \_ Please don't feed the trolls. \_ Bad Troll. Haven't you read the census guidelines on beingi black? Granted, those guidelines are based off of racist laws that date to the antebellum and Jim Crow south. -dans \_ So is Tiger Woods. \_ And Halle Berry. \_ genetic vigor!!! \_ har har har this is why Republicans are going to win again. How pathetic. \_ Uh, *what* is why? |
2008/1/4-7 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:48884 Activity:low |
1/3 Bye bye Biden and Dodd, the two most palatable Dems http://csua.org/u/kdm \_ Palatable to whom? Dead white males? \_ I think he meant palatable in a Dahmer sense. |
2007/12/29-2008/1/4 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/RepublicanMedia] UID:48864 Activity:high |
12/29 Is Kristol a hypocrite or the NYT selling out? Or both? Or visa versa? http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/30/business/30kristol.html?hp \_ Or maybe they both recognize the value of including opposition voices. -dans \_ I find it amusing that you would call the NYT a sellout for printing a conservative in the oped pages. What next? Having the regular article writers doing well researched and unbiased articles? And then pigs flying? When do the flaming frogs fall from the sky? \_ I wouldn't call Kristol a conservative. I would call him a delusional fuckhead. Keep him in the Weekly Standard where he belongs, he should quit polluting other places with his crap. \_ Wow you sure made your point. Well spoken! \_ The NYT already has regular columists that are conservatives, but none that have been so consistently wrong about everthing as Kristol has been. And I didn't say that the NYT was a sellout, I asked what other people thought. I think it is mighty strange that they are publishing someone who has been such a vocal and adamant critic. Even stranger that he would want to run a column in a paper that he claims to despise. \_ What's so strange about publishing a vocal and adamant critic? This is precsely who intelligent and informed debate is supposed to work. Even a brutal critic may make valid and relevant points, and that's worth considering. -dans \_ Bill Kristol does not make "valid and relevant points". He's a wildly dishonest pundit who cofounded and ran a Murdoch mouthpiece, and cofounded and ran PNAC. He lies in his arguments, in his premises, and in his journalism. He has abdicated his place in what can be considered intelligent and informed debate. As have you. \_ You're off topic. That has nothing to do with flaming frogs falling from the sky. \_ E_ROBERT_BORK? Cool! -dans \_ No. Flaming frogs from the sky. \_ Yes, E_ROBERT_BORK. -dans \_ Sigh... no. You're not getting it. Go ahead and post another bork and let's just be done with it. \_ Do you even know who Robert Bork is? -dans \_ Yes. Do you? Do you know anything about flaming frogs from the sky? \_ We are talking about Bill Kristol here. He does not contribute to intelligent and informed debate about anything. \_ Again, you have helped educate us all with facts, details, and hard core specifics. Appreciated. \_ I kind of liked him in "When Harry Met Sally". I never realized he was so into politics. \_ Sure a brutal critic can make valid points. From the pages of another publication. |
2007/12/11-14 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic] UID:48781 Activity:nil |
12/11 Russia expanding again. http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20071210/wl_csm/omerger |
2007/12/9-13 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Recreation/Food] UID:48770 Activity:nil |
12/10 This is pretty funny. --psb http://tinyurl.com/35ddk3 \_ Wow, this is really quite funny. Thanks. |
2007/12/3-6 [Politics/Domestic/Abortion, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:48737 Activity:nil |
12/3 Ron Paul's 2007 speeches to Congress http://preview.tinyurl.com/3xzf6b |
2007/12/3-6 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/RepublicanMedia] UID:48735 Activity:high |
12/3 Media Matter's displays CNN rules for submitting debate questions: http://mediamatters.org/items/200711270007 --- Anyone who wants to submit a question may do so by uploading a video clip through YouTube. All the videos that are submitted will be posted on the site. CNN will then choose as many as 50 videos to use during the debate. Asked for guidelines on what kind of questions were most likely to make it on the air, Bohrman said they should be concise -- no more than 30 seconds -- provocative, and creative. "We're not going to have anything obscene or inappropriate, but I think we'll get some very inventive questions," he said. --- Note the conspicuous abscence of a requirement that one be undecided or a member of one party or the other. \_ http://www.csua.org/u/k57 (LA Times) A review by the Los Angeles Times of the debate sponsored by CNN and YouTube four months ago found that the Democratic presidential candidates also faced queries that seemed to come from the conservative perspective. At least two of the citizen-interrogators had clear GOP leanings. CNN officials said that in the Democratic debate, as in Wednesday's Republican encounter, they had not attempted to determine the party or ideology of the questioners. \_ How did the discussion go when the Dems refused to debate on Fox News? \_ Totally different story. Fox news has made its reputation (and fortune) by being very anti-Democratic Party. That's not the same thing at all. \_ No, they made their rep/money on providing the other side of the news to the people who felt the rest of the news was biased to the left. These days FN is pushing the same agenda as CNN and the rest, but it was fun while it lasted. \_ "The other side of the news"? Like, "War is Peace," "Slavery is Freedom, "Ignorance is Strength," that kind of thing? What planet do you live on, and what's the weather like there? \_ When is MM going to run her correction? \_ What correction? \_ For her claim that the GOP did not insert any of their supporters into the Democratic debate. For her claim that these people all represented themselves as undecided. \_ I can't find the claim that GOP supporters didn't insert themselves into the Dem debate. As far whether they were "undecided", while that's not a formal requirement, it's reasonable to assume that someone asking a question at a debate actually cares about hearing the answer. So if someone has already decided to openly support a candidate *not on the stage* what are they doing asking them questions (and ridiculous ones at that)? \_ "But the persistent media double standard is obvious to everyone but the manure spreaders at CNN: Had GOP candidates somehow been able to insert their operatives and supporters into a Democratic debate, and had, say, Fox News failed to vet the questioners and presented them as average citizens, both Fox and the GOP would be treated as the century's worst media sinners." -MM So by your standards, the numerous GOP supporters who asked questions during the Democratic debate should not have done that? When are you going to condemn them for it? Why is your outrage so selective? \_ Well, I didn't care about the Dem debate and so didn't watch it because I know enough about the candidates' positions that there's no way I'd vote for any of them. And yes, had any GOP activists been outed in that debate, I would have been just as annoyed. There's a difference between "conservative questions" and GOP activists. In *both* cases CNN should have screened for questions that actually matter to the actual primary voters. -pp \_ get a clue. \_ GOP activists did ask questions at the Democratic debate, you are just too blind to see that. \_ Name em. \_ John McAlpin, for one. |
2007/12/3-6 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:48734 Activity:high |
12/3 The primaries finally get interesting http://csua.org/u/k58 Any predictions on who will take the R nomination? I have no idea, Except that I think Giuliani is done. \_ I think that if Giuliani falls down it will be Romney and he will get even less of the vote than Dukakis did. \_ Heard on the radio this morning that Romney's counting on a win in Iowa or going home. Is Huckabee really the choice candidate? \_ Well, he's a socialist. He belives that compassion means taking *someone else's* money to give to the needy. \_ Romney would win Utah. \_ Pretty much any R would win Utah. \_ Well, I actually meant he would win Utah and no other state. \_ Well, I actually meant he would win Utah and no other state. \_ Why do you think that? \_ I think Huckabee is looking more and more like the best the R's can do this year. It would make for an interesting race, to say the least. \_ Huckabee is the current darling of the religious right who are obsessed with the bogus concept of stacking the supreme court so they can over turn RvW. If they actually knew anything about him (or you either for that matter), it would be obvious that Huckabee offers the worst of both left and right wing while offering none of the positives of either. If the RR stayed home we'd all be better off. Huckabee isn't going anywhere. --conservative \_ Huckabee is an ass and would fall apart once the non faithful took ANY look at him. \_ Huckabee called for a national smoking ban in public places. http://www.breitbart.tv/html/4958.html \_ Did it occur to him that it's unconstitutional for the Fed to legistlate something like that? \_ Why do you think it would be unconstitutional? \_ 10th amendment? \_ The Constitution is just a piece of paper. \_ Hi troll. \_ "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people." Since pharmaceuticals are not mentioned in the constitution, do you really think the Gov. has no right/obligation to regulate them? \_ What do you think that says? \_ On that logic just about any regulatory body is unconstitutional, but guess what, the FCC, the FDA, etc etc, are all pretty well entrenched. \_ I agree, but I'm wondering why the person who thinks it's unconstitutional thinks it's so in the face of the etc etc you mentioned. \_ Hello, you may wish to see Art. 1, Sec. 8 Cl. 18 (the "necessary and proper clause") and McCulloch, 17 US 316 (1819) re the constitutionality of the FCC, FDA, &c. and McCulloch, 17 US 316 (1819). \_ Income tax is unconstitutional, too. |
2007/11/29-12/6 [Politics/Domestic/Abortion, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:48712 Activity:high |
11/29 Michelle Malkin has collected youtube profiles/images of questioners from last night's debate. Several of the questioners are openly supporting Democrat candidates. Don't bother telling me how much you hate Malkin. Look at the evidence presented about how CNN is incompetent. http://csua.org/u/k44 (michellemalkin.com) \_ I'm confused by the outrage. Same thing happened with the July debate with the Democrats. \_ And yet the questions still managed to address significant GOP issues. How'd that happen?!? Oh, wait, it's because when you're not MM or AC, thinking outside your talking points isn't that hard. \_ Not issues for people voting in the R primary. \_ I'm voting in the R primary, and they were issues I was interested in. \_ Oh really? Which issues? The Confederate Flag? Whether they believe in every word in the Bible? What would Jesus do about the death penalty? \_ Gun control, abortion, and taxes. Way to cherrypick. \_ I frankly don't believe you. When you say you're voting in the R primary, is that because you're a registered R? Or because you're a D in an open primary state? \_ I'm registered R, and I frankly don't care if you believe me. Also, are gun control, abortion, and taxes not important to people voting in the R primary? They were covered in the questions. \_ Gun control and taxes matter, but abortion doesn't because a president can't affect it. \_ Errr.. sort of. The Religious Right is very interested in what the president thinks of abortion because the prez appoints to the Supreme Court. And the SC could overturn Roe vs Wade. \_ The RR is a minority part of the R party. So sure it concerns that segment, but it does not concern most R at all. \_ Sure, I'm R and I don't care. But the RR exterts disproportinal control over the primary system. Addendum: For example, Huckabee is doing so well in Iowa because RRs don't trust Romney. He who wins Iowa... \_ You and MM are right, Democrats should not be allowed to participate in the political process anymore. No Free Speech For Democrats! \_ Excellent straw man sir! \_ Isn't that what you are complaining about? I don't get it, do you really think that Democrats should not be allowed to ask Republicans questions during debates? \_ The people in question aren't simply Dems, they're openly supporting different candidates. They're not interested in the answer, they're just bomb-throwing. \_ I am pretty sure you don't lose your free speech rights simply because you declare allegiance to a particular candidate. Did these people lie and claim they were undecided, so that they could get permission to ask questions by CNN? Otherwise, I can't imagine what your beef would be. Can I go to a Romney rally and ask him a question, even though I am an Edwards supporter? Why the heck not? I might even change my mind! \_ Wow, are you really this clueless? I didn't say you lose any "free speech rights". However, there is a difference between honest questions and bomb-throwing. \_ Yes, only questions pre-screened and OK'd by the candidates should be allowed near any Republican. \_ Or Hillary http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2007/11/diamond_v_pearl_student_blasts_1.php \_ I guess we will just have to agree to disagree. What you call "bomb-throwing" I call healthy debate and integral to the democratic process. It is pretty funny for a MM reader to complain about bomb-throwing. \_ And it's pretty funny when someone uses "free speech rights" in this context. Wow. \_ How do you even register to post in that blog? \_ The problem was that CNN was deceitful. If they had put "General Bob Smith, (D) Activist" next to the name of the guy they flew in and put in the front row, then it would be lame but not piss anyone off. These were supposed to be "undecided (R) voters" which several clearly were not. And this is the same motd crowd that was so concerned that Foxnews was going to abuse their position if they ran a debate, yet you find this a-ok. Sheesh. \_ Again, same thing happened in the Dem debate. No one cared until CNN released a statement saying there would be no "gotcha questions" in the R debate. The other MM (media matters) noted this and pointed out the multiple gotchas they let into the D debate. Now, if Malkin had been complaining about gotchas after they said they wouldn't have them, she might have a point. With this post she's just a crybaby. \_ I don't read/watch Malkin so I have no idea what she said and don't really care. In the Dem debate we had Hillary plants there for her. In the Rep debate we had Hillary, Edards, Obama, and CNN plants. Neither situation is acceptable to me. This just further enforces my belief that the US 'main stream media' is biased to such a degree that they should be dismissed entirely as the yellow rag 'journalists' they are. I would like to note that we didn't see Rep plants in either debate but that's another matter. \_ In the Dem CNN/YT debate, there were questions that were most likely from R supporters. But no one went and tried to pin them down as R supporters, because attacking the questioner rather than answer a valid question is in the R playbook. Not so much with the D's. You're showing your bias in trying to determine cnn's. R playbook. Not so much with the Ds. Being of the other party does not negate one's right to ask a question in an open debate. Instead of running from them, or whining about them, why not try and give cogent answers and, y'know try and persuade people... \_ Which questions? And who do you think did the tracking? Random people on the net who post on (R) blogs. Nothing is stopping you from tracking down the qusetioners to see if your allegations are even true. If they are, then let us know, until then you're blowing smoke and tossing out red herrings. No one said you don't have a right to ask a question. That's a strawman. It has been stated quite clearly the issue is they were falsely presented as "undecided (R) voters" or in the case of Hillary plants at the D debate, as "undecided (D) voters" when in fact they were political operatives. And in the case of the (R), they did answer, even though several of the questions were stupid. That was a good effort at distracting from the real point about dirty politics on the part of CNN and Hillary but no dice. \_ When/where did CNN say the questions came from "undecided (R) voters"? This is important. If they did say this, then you have a point. I don't think they did, though. And as you've based your entire argument and outrage on this point, I suggest you look carefully. \_ Both debates were choosing people in that context. This is how questioners have been chosen in debates in recent years. This is nothing new. So, if I'm right and they said these were supposed to be undecided voters in each debate, then what? Do you finally agree the debates were fucked? And frankly, even if that weren't flat out stated, they should still have properly identified the people, but that's a hypothetical. I don't want to go off on some tangent about that at this point. \_ You repeat your assertion with no supporting evidence. Show me where CNN said "This is how we're choosing the questioners". IMO, these questions were decidedly less offensive than those of Russert or Blitzer (raise your hand? seriously?). I would love to go back to LWV moderation with decent questions and actual discussion, but these complaints are overblown and really crybabyish. \_ No, this is not generally how questioners are chosen in debates, not in the ones I have watched over the years. You are just blowing smoke at this point and I think you know it. \_ Wow, way to make shit up to cover for lame debate moderators and slimey tactics from the (D). Even the LATimes published a piece on how shitty CNN did. When the LAT not only doesn't support your left wing agenda but out right bashes you, you have a problem. You=CNN in this case. I notice you completed ignored my question and just magically decided with no knowledge that I and everyone else who has been saying these were supposed to be normal citizens and not activists is wrong. I think I've been trolled. You have yet to answer a single question I've posed in this thread and instead just keep throwing bombs. \_ You are talking to more than one person, btw. Yes, if a questioner signed some waiver or made a verbal agreement with CNN that they were an undecided (R) voter, then it would be immoral to violate that agreement. Happy? Now, show me your evidence that this was the case, or just admit that this is you and MM's made up rule, not something that other people agree to, or even would agree to, unless they were partisan loons. \_ From your source: "Beside considerations\ like these, CNN's incompetent failure to weed out Democratically connected \_ From your source: "Beside considerations like these, CNN's incompetent failure to weed out Democratically connected questioners pales." Even the LA Times agrees that it is no big deal. \_ "We were looking for people who were interested enough in the process to ask\ a question," Sam Feist, CNN's political\ director, said Thursday. "We didn't inquire about people's ideological\ beliefs, and that wasn't relevant. . . .\ We were looking for questions that would make for an interesting debate." interested enough in the process to ask a question," Sam Feist, CNN's political director, said Thursday. "We didn't inquire about people's ideological beliefs, and that wasn't relevant. . . . We were looking for questions that would make for an interesting debate." \_ I'm now trying to imagine Fox News running the Dem debate: "First question: When did you first start hating America?" \_ You'll have to keep imagining since Fox was never given a chance. Do you think CNN should be allowed to hold further debates after this last performance? How about the previous one where more Clinton activists were planted in the audience and there was zero followup to her answers from Blitzer? Was that a well run debate? |
2007/11/27-30 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Finance/Investment] UID:48695 Activity:very high |
11/26 Media lavishes attention on bogus Zogby poll showing Hillary trailing while ignoring reputable Gallup poll http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/horsesmouth/2007/11/media_lavishes.php \_ More proof of liberal media bias. \_ I think you're being sarcastic, but one could make that argument since Hillary is probably the farthest right of the Dem canidates. However, what the media really hates is a sure bet. A sure-win canidate reduces the drama and reportability. \_ Both polls are meaningless since we don't elect the POTUS in a general election, otherwise Gore would have won in 2000. Only State by State polls matter, assuming any poll does. Frankly, most of the polls survey such a tiny number of people they're all highly questionable. Show me a poll of 2000+ LV's and I'll pay attention. \_ There is one meaningful point--much of Hillary's support is because of "electability". If she's not as electable as previously believed, that may erode her support. \_ I understand that "electability" is what got Kerry nominated too. \_ I don't actually think that is true, since Edwards is clearly more "electable." While it is true that Hillary supporters often tout her electability, I think it is because they know it is her weakest point and they are trying to pre-empt Obama and Edwards' attacks on the point. FWIW, Obama is probably no more electable than she is. -Edwards supporter \_ Why do you support Edwards? \_ I agree with him on the big issues: the Iraq War, which he thinks was a mistake and wants to wind down as quickly as possible; healthcare, which he wants to reform and ensure complete covereage, with the most comprehensive plan of anyone; and campaign finance reform, where he has consistenly taken a stance against the open buying and selling of political favors which is what K Street has become these days. He also would use the bully pulpit to bring attention to the issue of widening income imbalance, which no one else seems to even notice or care about. I disagree with him on a few things, like free trade, but those are not large enough issues for me and he is not enough of a protectionist for me to be too worried. I also think he has a wider appeal than any of the other candidates from either party and because of this might be able to correct our drift away from a dangerous and unhealthy extreme partisanship that has become the other candidates from either party and because of this might be able to correct our drift toward a danger- ous and unhealthy extreme partisanship that has become endemic lately. I know I partly say this just because I grew up poor and white too, and so his story resonants with me, but polls bear out that he has the most support from independent voters of any candidate. He also doesn't poll that badly amongst Republicans, probably because of his southern accent and his open declarations of faith. \_ Why don't people understand that universal healthcare will bankrupt this country in a way that Bush's stupid war could only dream of? Any candidate that advocates such a plan should be voted down just as if he was advocating invading Iran. \_ Why aren't all the Western Democracies bankrupt then? Why don't people understand that nationalized healthcare has worked and saved the overall economy vastly in every place that it has been tried? \_ 1. The US pays their (expensive) defense bills for them. 2. They will be bankrupt soon enough. \_ Point 1 really means the American tax payer pays for their defense. We also pay for their health care to a large degree because their governments hold down the price of drugs artificially. \_ Don't kid yourself. What percentage of health care is drug costs? \_ A lot. You tell me otherwise. How much was the drug bill they passed a year or two ago? How much will it balloon up in 10-20 years? \_ Spending on perscription drugs is less than 10% of the overall national cost of health care. This is not a large proportion. http://www.csua.org/u/k3z (IHT) It will grow unless we do something drastic, like nationalize health care spending though, you are right there. \_ Sure they will. Conservatives have been saying that about Sweden for at least 60 years now and in that time, they have actually been closing the gap with America economically. This is an interesting time to claim that anyone else is going "bankrupt" \_ People always point to Sweden. How about Germany, Japan, and France? Here's a good article about France: http://tinyurl.com/22bc73 \_ Sweden has the highest tax rate. Similar arguments can be made for Germany and France, though. Japan actually has a lower tax rate than the US. \_ Sweden has the highest oveall tax burden. You can make the same general arguement for most of Europe: the argument for most of Europe: the economy is doing just fine, in spite of decades of Conservative insistence that the mixed model cannot possibly work. Their per capita income has actually closed with the US over any period in the past you care to measure it for. France is kind of a basket case, but it has been for a long time. Japan actually has a relatively low overall tax burden, slightly lower than the US. \_ You should ask the Swedes what they think about the way Sweden runs things. \_ It's a Democracy, right? \_ It's a democracy, isn't it? \_ If you think democratic government implies satisfaction with the government, politicians, policy, or the way the country is going you are breathtakingly retarded. \_ argumentum ad hominem \_ What do you think should be done about income imbalance? \_ Tax the rich til they aint rich no more! \_ Have any actual constructive suggestions? \_ That was it. \_ Spend more on education and job retraining, especially for people displace by globalization. Repair our badly neglected infrastructure, which should employ lots of people and fix some of our transportation issues at the same time. What ideas do you have? \_ The domestic income gap is related to global income gaps and thus ties in to trade issues and currency issues. When you have "jobs Americans won't do" the system is broken. To reduce the income gap you have to either raise the floor or lower the ceiling. Lowering the ceiling seems backwards to me. To raise the floor you have to protect "lower level" jobs to some extent, protect the value of human labor vs. global competition. \_ See, you are a protectionist, too! I am not fundamentally disagreeing with you, but I don't think it is very easy, or perhaps not even really possible to "protect" these lower skill jobs without screwing up your economy in the long run. How would you propose doing it? Tariffs? Closing the border? Trying to impose labor or environmental standards on our trading partners? All of these are problamatic, for different reasons. \_ Well I'm not really advocating protectionism, but that is what I see it amounting to if you see imbalance as a big problem. It's not something I've ever really been concerned about. I think we should end guest worker programs. It does not help Americans. It's a form of subsidy and protectionism for inefficient uses of resources. I'm not a fan of H1B either. We need to invest in our own people, not bring in foreign workers, unless those workers are truly unique. H1Bs to do low-level interchangeable tech work is bad. letting skilled workers move here permanently is ok by me but only at a controlled rate. We need to let market forces work to find the proper use of our own workers in our own land. For trade though, labor and environmental standards have to be part of the equation. Ethical standards can't be allowed to affect competitive advantage. I think China has a natural competitive advantage in mfg'ing in its labor supply, but tax and currency issues can still hurt us. issues can still hurt us. I think our national monetary policy and debt and inflation issues hurt low-income workers around the world and contributes to global income disparity. \_ I would like you to explain your last sentence, because I don't see it. How does our monetary, debt and inflation policy hurt low-income workers around the world? Inflation causes rise in asset prices without corresponding wage _/ increases. Since the world economy is historically dollar-driven, as dollar-denominated assets such as oil rise in value, poor workers lose. They have the least assets. US policy of massive deficit spending and monetary supply increases has broad effects on the world economy. Dollar inflation cancels out real wage value increases for economies dependent on the dollar. Here are some articles: http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/congrec2006/cr021506.htm http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China/HC22Ad02.html The author of the second article has tons of other articles, all very long and rambling. Have fun. all very long and rambling. In that one he eventually talks about Hitler. Have fun. Honestly though I'm in way over my head with this economics stuff. (Unfortunately I get the feeling that most of our politicians are even more so.) \_ That Asia Times article is really long and mostly disjointed. It reminds me a lot of some of Lyndon LaRouche's stuff. Have you actually read it? The Ron Paul thing was amusing, but mostly wrong or irrelevant. I don't think inflation has the effect that you seem to think that it has. The big losers in an inflationary environment are people who depend on fixed income investments, like retirees. The working poor don't feel too much effect, since their paychecks are going up with prices in a truly inflationary environment. What we are seeing now is not really inflation, but a redistribution of purchasing power. This is painful to the US, but probably feels pretty good to China. \_ I at least skimmed most of it. What exactly is wrong in the Ron Paul speech? China has its own income imbalance problem. I don't know if average Chinese feels that great earning a couple bucks a day, producing crap for Americans, with inflation in prices to offset their wage gains. But I don't know, if overall they are gaining real purchasing power then that's good... Real inflation is higher than the official inflation figures. Look at the costs of: education, medical care, drugs, energy over the last couple decades. Wages for the lowest level jobs have not grown much if at all. Food prices are on the rise here and in China. Inflation hits the poor and middle class much more than the wealthy. Their savings are depreciated and the low wages don't keep pace, and they don't have valuable assets. \_ We are not in any kind of inflationary environment. If we were, wages would be going up as well as prices, that is what I keep telling you. Some things have gone up in price, but many things are going down, like just about anything that can be built in China. Real purchasing power for urban Chinese has been going up very fast, but the rural farmers are being left behind. A discussion of what is wrong with the Gold Standard would require a new topic, I am not going to go into it here. Inflation has winners and losers, to be sure, but you can't just make the blanket statement that it hurts the poor more than the rich. Economically, it is actually the opposite of that, because the poor have no assets to lose, while many rich become poor (okay, usually middle class) in an inflationary environment. Things like bonds get killed in inflation. Stocks do poorly as well. Some kinds of hard assets (like land) hold up well, but that is not how most rich people hold their wealth anymore. \_ Do you really think there is no inflation? I think we're done here as you're just making contrary assertions and this thread is gigantic. \_ Do you want me to point you to any of the official or unofficial statistics from the experts who measure inflation? Inflation is low by any reasonable standard, certainly lower than 5%/yr and probably about what the BLS states as official inflation at ~2.5%/yr. I don't think there is *no* inflation, but I think it is very low and you haven't presented any evidence otherwise, other than some anecdotal evidence. You are the one making the unusual claim, you need to provide proof of it. Wages have been going up less than prices, but that is not the definition of "inflation." I think you are just confused about what the term means. \_ I'm kinda too busy today to look up stuff for you or talk about this more. Try googling for inflation articles. Official government inflation figures are not necessary reflective of real world inflation. Inflation also doesn't act equally on all prices and wages due to the nature of how the money supply works. You also haven't pointed out any specific error in the Ron Paul thing which I'd be interested in. Also, look up inflation in China for example. \_ Dude, I read The Economist every week. You are simply speculating. Real inflation might be a small amount more than reported inflation, but not by much, at least not over the whole economy. Ron Paul's desire to go back to the Gold Standard marks him as a total fruitcake: you lose control over your monetary policy in such a monetary regime and would kill economic growth to boot. No serious economist advocates such a regime and would kill economic growth to boot. No serious economist advocates it, only a bunch of loons. I told you that discussion is waaay to long and involved to go into as an aside, but since you asked... \_ Our monetary policy was primarily used to allow massive government debt and price bubbles. I fail to see how the current situation is good in the long run. Consumer debt is also the highest ever. The US economy grew just fine before the current system. I also don't accept the "no serious expert" line of reasoning. The modern system is to conduct monetary policy as if no recession can ever be allowed to occur. But the reality is that this policy is financed by endless expansion of debt and inflation. Instead of natural corrective recessions we are building up to some kind of major crisis. It's like over-aggressive fire prevention policy that ends up creating a giant inferno when the forest gets too dry. \_ Gloom and doomers are always with us. We used to have much worse downturns, like the Great Depression, the Panic of 1983 and the Panic of 1837, before we went off the Gold Standard. Only people with a serious misunderstanding of history and economics like Ron Paul want to bring back the "good ole days" of 20%+ unemployment. \_ The gold standard didn't cause the great depression. It was irresponsible fiscal policy. The central bank still has a lot of power to affect money supply with a gold standard. Prior to the Great Depression in the 20's the Fed allowed credit to grow beyond what could be supported by reserves, much like the mortgage crisis today. Result was the the stock price bubble. When that crashed, stock price bubble. When that crashed, it also failed to act. The UK left the gold standard in 1931, but it had already been abandoned in WWI. The conditions leading to the great depression and how it was dealt with can't be chalked up to the use of the gold standard. Has any candidate taken a stance for the open buying and selling of political favors? \_ Open? Sure. Behind closed doors in smokey rooms? Not a chance. \_ I'm not sure you parsed my question properly. \_ Uhm, maybe not. \_ Clinton takes a lot of lobbyist money. Edwards does not. \_ I don't particularly like Clinton so I'm focusing on Obama vs. Edwards. I'm personally a conservative-leaning independent. Obama seems to be in a better position to beat Hillary in the primary. Have you considered that in your electability calculations? \_ I don't have any particular reason to dislike Obama and I actually think he is a pretty swell guy. I think he is less likely to win in Nov, but I would certainly vote for him against any GOP candidate I can imagine. -Edwards' supporter \_ I think that Edwards has a better chance in the general election, but I would gladly vote for either Edwards or Obama. -ES It seems to me that Obama has done more in this area than Edwards. Obama had the wisdom not to authorize the Iraq war in the first place. Free trade is a mostly meaningless term to me. I support it on textbook principle but the real world isn't so simple. \_ Obama didn't vote on the Iraq War as he was in the Illinois State Senate at the time, I believe. \_ Yeah. He spoke out against it in 2002 though: http://tinyurl.com/3djwm5 (barackobama.com) \_ "By contrast, I can't find a single example of any reporter or commentator on the major networks or news outlets referring to the Gallup poll at all, with the lone exception of UPI." Wait, I thought UPI was the untrustworthy one with no original reporting? \_ The Zogby poll was an internet poll? Was the number 1 canidate Ron Paul? |
2007/11/12-16 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:48624 Activity:nil |
11/12 the repub nominee candidates are all terrible. romney seems the least batshit right now to me, even with his double gitmo comment. what am i going to do? \_ Come over to the Dark Side, Luke. \_ Romney? He's an idiot. He would be another GW Bush. If you like GW Bush then there you go. For a "status quo" candidate, what is batshit about Giuliani or Thompson? -Ron Paul voter \_ I vote for Ron Paul too. I am a Democrat. \_ Why? Actually how are you voting in the Rep. primary when you are a Democrat? Anyway... i bet it's fun to be able to take very principled stands when you have no chance of winning. Ron Paul's other positions are pretty way over there on the other end of the scale, extreme right wing. I guess he gets points for being completely honest about it. I still can't vote for him. \_ What are the "extreme right wing" positions? He's more of a libertarian, I'm pretty comfortable with him, knowing he won't push crazy religious agendas for example. He's not going to cut old people off social security. I kinda doubt many of his ideas would get through Congress anyway. At this point I'm apathetic about everyone else so I have no reason to vote for anyone else. \_ Romney is an 'idiot'? Proof? \_ Not a literal, dictionary one of course. I hate the guy but I don't feel like digging up links for you, sorry. Ok I don't even actually personally hate him to be honest. But what's a motd post without exaggerated bombast? \_ So 'idiot' means, "doesn't agree" with you? Okay, thought so. \_ There's nothing to agree/disagree with. He's one of those "smiling faces in a suit" type of politicians, with a generic status quo platform. "I love America!" whee \_ What you (left wing liberal nut) want: an intellect, sympathetic to LGBT, yada yada yada. What America wants: good looking, confident, and loves America. That's Romney. \_ In another word he's like Ronald Reagan and HE IS GONNA KICK YOUR SORRY D ASS!!! \_ ^^^ you guys are idiots, I'm not a D. I said I was a Ron Paul guy. \_ Which of course makes *you* an idiot. Paul is nuttier than a fruitcake. \_ Bush talks to an invisible entity every day. Various kinds of nuttiness of the president are beside the point, the important thing is what direction will a given president push the current status quo, given his beliefs, and the inherent limitations of the office of the president. -- ilyas \_ At least he's not fruitier than a nutcake? Also: "Proof"? How is Romney different from GWB? Other than being better looking and more articulate. Romney's web site is virtually content free. The only clear message is about fighting Jihadists. I think Romney is ignorant of economics based on his speeches and writings. I'd rather have Duncan Hunter, for a "non nutty" candidate. \_ Paul has said he will dissolve the FBI. Yes, Duncan Hunter is the real conservative candidate. \_ Link? Dissolving the FBI doesn't sound inherently nutty. Why do we need FBI, CIA, Homeland Security, DEA, BATF, etc.? It's ridiculous. I don't know anything about Ron Paul's plans in this arena and a quick google doesn't find it. But I'm not someone who thinks status quo must be the best because it's the status quo. \_ Romney is not an idiot, he is a Moron(i). \_ I've decided being a Mormon isn't so bad. They believe in the Moroni Golden Plate theory, Catholics believe the living flesh of Christ appears when you take communion. This is amazing on so many levels! eat that fake dead living flesh of your lord! \_ Any R >>> D. Say no to socialism!!! -fake conservative |
2007/11/8-9 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/President/Reagan] UID:48584 Activity:kinda low |
11/8 Character counts. Kerry has no character. Neither do any of the Ds. \_ Ah, astoundingly useless statement. Hey, how bout "All R's are corrupt!" You sound like the twat you are. \_ again this is why liberals don't win. they think intelligence and reasoning win votes. Nooooooo. It's all in the CHARACTER. Case in point, Ronald Reagan. It didn't matter what policy he had. The smile, the tone, the confidence... CHARACTER COUNTS. \_ Seesh, you fell for that lame-o strawman troll? Idiot. -!op \_ It's a slow night. |
2007/11/7-9 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:48564 Activity:low |
11/7 What can i do? The top 3 repub candidates are in an insaneD alternative universe proclaiming to the people how they are more pro torture than the other guy. It's really odd. I can't vote for any of these guys. They're almost as bad as the fascist president in the movie 'The Dead Zone' \_ What's the problem then? \_ Don't vote. R is doomed this election anyways. Thanks Georgy! \_ It's not Georgy's fault he was elected. \_ Fucking Al Gore and Kerry's fault. Speaking of Kerry, what is he doing these days, sulking like Al Gore? \_ Gore is hardly sulking. He is jet setting and giving speeches, basking in the glow of his Nobel Prize. \_ Gore is apparently promoting Peace. \_ And poking fun at himself on shows like 30 Rock. Go, Al. |
2007/11/5-8 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:48551 Activity:nil |
11/5 The Ron Paul spam http://www.metafilter.com/66234/Ron-Paul-Spam I dunno about you, but any candidate that's got the endorsement of Stormfront AND the John Birch Society has got my vote! |
2007/11/5 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:48546 Activity:high |
11/5 I'm no bleeding liberal, but I look at the Republican pres candidates, and they're all terrible. I hate having to rate them as "ok this guy isnt COMPLETELY insane" or "well this one has said anything lately that if i think about it too hard blood will shoot out of my nose." In this category are McCain, Romney, Guiliani, Thompson. Do I have to become one of those GO RON PAUL freaks? \_ Yes. GO RON PAUL!! \_ To rip off another thread, why does every Republican candidate seem to try to out do each other in how PRO waterboarding they are (with the always dependable exception of McCain) ? \_ Here's a good one: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/03/us/politics/03torture.html "As Mr. Romney was preparing for his presidential bid, he visited Guantánamo Bay in the spring of 2006 and said he came away with no concerns with regards to the fair and appropriate treating of these individuals.. In the May debate, Mr. Romney said he would .double Guantánamo.. Mr. Romney has also said that in the event of an extreme terrorist threat, he would not rule out even the harshest interrogation techniques, echoing comments made by his national security adviser, Maj. Gen. James Marks, who is retired. When the general was asked, in a 2005 interview on CNN, how far he would go if he thought he could elicit information that would save the lives of either American soldiers or civilians, he replied, .I.d stick a knife in somebody.s thigh in a heartbeat.. Mr. Thompson has argued that there are circumstances where .you have to do what is necessary to get the information that you need.." Why'd the obsessed with secrecy gov. even let him go to GITMO? I want to go (AS AN OBSERVER). Why are morally bankrupt shitheads runnings for president? \_ The Daily Show will survive the TV writer's guild strike just fine, the jokes write themselves! \_ I don't know. Do you trust polls? Why does Romney poll high? I would guess it's because of his looks and charisma. The average person probably doesn't know shit except what he looks like and what they might see on the news which does not tell them to think he is a morally bankrupt shithead, and which treats Ron Paul as comedic relief. \_ I accept that all candidates for pres must say and do silly things to be elected, but this whole chest beating crap about who will do the most to cornhole suspected terrorists the most brutally turns me off of the whole process. I bet Ron Paul doesn't say stupid shit like this. Ron Paul is too conservative for me though. Ugh maybe I should just donate to him. \_ I did. I want my federal government to be as conservative as possible... in the Constitutional sense, not religious fundamentalist sense. \_ I'm still mad Bush spoke at Bob Jones University! - motd mixed race guy |
2007/10/30-11/2 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:48484 Activity:low |
10/29 I'm watching an interview with Denis Kucinich's wife. RISE UP NERDS. GET THIS GUY ELECTED. jesus christ. \_ She's hot. He's smart. Together, they're unelectable, but they fight crine! Also, his appearance on COLBERT was superb. \_ Kucinich is an opportunistic douche bag, and dirty to the core. Read up on his record when he was in Ohio state politics. -dans \_ I'm curious why you think he was "dirty". I am not from Ohio like you. I have read about how he was unpopular as mayor because he supported a city owned electric company, but years later, after he has been out of office for a long time, it seems like the city is pretty fucking happy they own the electic company. Find me some dirt! \_ dans, are you a Hillary supporter? \_ I'm not entirely decided but I lean more toward Obama than Clinton. -dans \_ I'm not from Ohio, but I have friends who are. ObGoogle to find your dirt. It's not that well hidden. -dans \_ Name the (D) front runner who isn't dirty. \_ s/(D)/(D) or (R)/ \_ Only Democrats are dirty. Republicans all believe in God, Country and The Boy Scouts. \_ And foot-tapping in public restrooms. \_ The topic was Dems, so I said Dems. Name any front runner who isn't dirty. I don't care which party. Still waiting.... \_ Ok, what's dirty about Obama and Romney? Obama is a racist, but he's pretty upfront about it. \_ Oh please. \_ Oh please what? Buy me an ice cream cone? \_ Oh please stop spouting some of the most pathetic smears about Obama without at least giving some "proof" we can laugh at. \_ Basically I read his book. I'm busy this week, I'll start a new topic sometime soon. Have you read his book? \_ So I guess you never stopped diddling little boys. \_ IMO, all national level politicians have some dirt, it's just that some are dirtier than other. Don't be disingenuous, you could have just as easily said, Name a presidential front runner who isn't dirty. Dirt is a range, not a binary switch. -dans \_ GO RON PAUL - principled computer programmer who thinks they are wise \_ Hillary Rodham Clinton \_ You and the Romney guy are both hilarious. I'm voting for Ron Paul, because you gotta love an OB/GYN in the White House (Clinton doesn't count). \_ Me too. What do you think of Duncan Hunter? \_ I asked you what's dirty about them, apparently you have no response. \_ CliTton ain't no OB/GYN. He's an otolaryngologist. \_ link? |
2007/10/16-18 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:48338 Activity:moderate |
10/16 The Religious Right has boatloads of cash on hand. http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/13257.html \_ Interesting. I wonder if there's a sense among the RR that 2008 is pretty much a wash and that it would make more sense to save money for 2012. \_ The RR is a single minded entity with a single bank account? Sort of a giant Jesus Multi-Body Entity(tm) with a single group mind? \_ You have a question/answer/real point to make? Or you just like using question marks? \_ It's there. Try again. |
2007/10/16-18 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:48337 Activity:moderate |
10/16 Obama and Cheney are eighth cousins http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071016/pl_nm/usa_politics_cheney_obama_dc \_ Eighth cousins means absolutly nothing. \_ I'm both of their 8th cousins, too. So are you. \_ I am not even sure which of the current presidential candidates has the smallest 'ancestral join' with me. -- ilyas \_ He also has a Bacon number of 3. -tom \_ I recall John Kelly was a cousin of some degree to Bush. \_ John KELLY? Bahahaha. Are you Chinese? \_ Sorry, John "Flip-Flopper" Kerry. Ninth cousin twice removed of Dubya. And yes I'm Chinese. |
2007/10/15-16 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:48331 Activity:moderate |
10/15 "Obama is a Muslim" smear campaign still around http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=9137C354-3048-5C12-000A32656C8CAEA4 \_ Let's assume he is a Muslim. So what? Romney is a Mormon. So what? The person least likely to get elected in this country is an atheist. \_ And still they feel the need to attack him as a Muslim, mostly on guilt by association. "You know, that Obama Hussien guy, he looks awful swarthy to me." It's racist pandering pure he looks awful dark to me." It's racist pandering pure and simple. Racist pandering bugs me. \_ And Romney gets attacked for being a Mormon. So? Does that bug you, too? \_ But isn't Romney really a Mormon? Isn't Obama actually an Episcapalian or something? \_ Frankly, Romney getting attacked for actually being a Mormon is less disturbing to me than Obama getting attacked for being a Muslim when he is not. The issue here is not Obama's religion (a dumb reason to attack anyone, even Romney), but scandalous lies spread to harm a candidate. Cf. John McCain's black babies. |
2007/10/15-17 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:48319 Activity:low |
10/15 Things you may not have read about Sanchez's comments: 1) "The American military finds itself in an intractable situation ... America has no choice but to continue our efforts in Iraq," 2) "What is clear to me is that you are perpetuating the corrosive partisan politics that is destroying our country and killing our service members who are at war. My assessment is that your profession, to some, has strayed from these ethical standards and allowed external agendas to manipulate what the American public sees on TV, reads in newspapers and what they see on the Web," Sanchez said. http://www.fairandbalanced.com/story/0,2933,301676,00.html \_ Did he say this to a Fox News reporter? \_ In his speech to the Military Reporters and Editors Association in Washington, D.C., on Friday.... \_ I love the lefties who censor the URL. Shows their hypocrisy so \_ Yes, I know, I was making a joke. Even funnier that he said it to a bunch of Stars and Stripe's reporters. \_ Full transcript http://www.militaryreporters.org/sanchez_101207.html \_ I love the commies who censor the URL. Shows their hypocrisy so well. \_ Sup jblack, long time no motd! \_ I'm not jblack. -pp |
2007/10/12-19 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:48302 Activity:high |
10/12 Awesome. http://csua.org/u/jq0 (ebay auction of... oh, who cares, it's partisan crap disguised as a short url. Op, did you happen to see your dignity on auction while you were there?) \_ Actually it's about accuracy, and Reid's inability to find it with both hands. \_ Actually, it is about Rush Limbaugh's attempt to rewrite history, something he does all the time. Where are his transcripts of him calling Chelsea Clinton the "White House Dog?" http://mediamatters.org/items/200709270010 See where he calls them "phony soldiers." \_ Yeah, http://mm.org has been arguing against the truth for quite a while. Limbaugh clearly was talking about actual phony soldiers. See "Operation Stolen Valor". Limbaugh went on to talk about McBride and others like him. talk about Macbeth and others like him. \_ I heard it live, in context. He was clearly not turning his back on 20+ years of pro-military rhetoric. Reid and http://mm.org got it wrong. The only way they could get it so wrong was by intentionally ignoring the facts. Rush is an amusing entertainer and not worthy of this sort of waste of time on the Senate floor nor a ridiculous witch hunt. Especially since he's said plenty of other things worth attacking that he's actually said. \_ Another "phony soldier" no doubt: http://www.csua.org/u/jq2 Rush only calls you a phony if you don't support Bush's war. \_ If you ever actually listened to Rush you'd know he's said many times that he has no problem with real soldiers being critical of the war. Just the fakes and frauds like the guy he was talking about that day who flunked out of basic but falsely claimed to be a US Army ranger who committed and witnessed numerous atrocities. You're tossing a red herring. Reid is a liar. Media Matters (a Hillary created front org) are liars. The other 40 Senators who signed his stupid letter are liars. If you want to bash Bush or the war, go ahead, but that has nothing to do with Reid, Hillary, and the rest flat out lying about what Rush said and wasting Senate time attacking a US citizen's first amendment rights. Have a nice day. \_ First off, what proof do you have that the first caller was a phony soldier, which is what Rush clearly called him? Secondly, Media Matters is hardly a Hillary created front org, it was founded by David Brock, someone I personally know from my time at Wired Magazine and it is funded by Soros. As usual, you are either confused or spreading misinformation. Soros. As usual, you are spreading misinformation. \_ The first caller was a phony soldier? What are you talking about? I don't think you know. Secondly, Brock is a Hillary minion. Your knowing him personally has nothing to do with anything. Of coruse Hillary didn't fund it herself. No one said she did. Sheesh. Either way, Reid and MM are still liars. All this other stuff is nonsense. \_ Brock is hardly a Hillary minion, unless you really believe that everyone to the left of Mitt Romney is part of a vast Hillary conspiracy. If anything, he is a Soros minion, since Soros writes his paycheck. And Soros is quite a long way from Hillary, believe me. \_ You failed to answer about the first part about "first caller was a phony soldier". You don't know anything about this story. You're just a troll. The rest of your post is nonsense. \_ In a simple reading of what Rush said, it is quite clear that he referred to the first caller as a phony soldier, yes. Your English language skills are deficient. You also don't know what the word "troll" means. Hint, it does not mean "anyone who disagrees with me." \_ sorry, I was listening to the show, not a cut up transcript. He was clearly not referring to the caller. The rest of your ad hominem is not worth replying to since it is based on your complete lack of knowledge of the situation. \_ Calling someone a troll is fine, but saying "you don't know what a troll is" is ad hominem? You don't know what ad hominem means either. \_ To both of you: Please show evidence that Soros or Hillary in any way financially supports MM. "Drudge says so" is not evidence. \_ Sorry, I mistakenly thought this was common knowledge. It is pretty funny to watch the Right foam at the mouth over MM. They have been doing the same stuff for years, but they get seriously paranoid and nutty when anyone gives them a dose of their own medicine. Where does MM get its funding? \_ "common knowledge" to who? Ditto- heads? Answer your own question then come back and show us your results. \_ I've donated to them. \_ I've wasted money on stuff before, too. \_ Well, they seem to get you all hot and bothered, so it wasn't a total waste, now was it? \_ *laugh* the first troll who is paying others to do it for them. You've taken the Art Of Troll to a whole new level. Keep sending money. Wow, you're dumb. \_ Do you really think that this is the *first* troll to ever do that? What do you think of Horowitz and FrontPage Mag? \_ I don't donate to Horowitz or FPM or MM or any other troll orgs. Why would you? \_ You are begging the question. Is MM the *first*? \_ Of course it isn't but that is a side show. Who cares which was first? I don't and have never donated to any of them. Why would anyone donate to orgs who by their very nature are designed to lie and created with that purpose in mind? Maybe that's your thing but I'll send my charity to places that try to do good in the world. \_ Surprisingly enough, not everyone agrees with what your definition of "do good in the world" means. \_ I'm sad anyone takes Rush seriously, ever, or pays any attention to him. \_ Talk to Reid about that, wasting time in the Senate on an entertainer. \_ ugh debating anything Rush spews is stupid. http://MM.org is a Soros creation, not hillary. \_ From Rush to Drudge... Can't you people factcheck anything? The zombie lies will never die... \_ Hillary herself said she helped create http://MM.org. Here is the article, with a download of the audio of her saying it. http://csua.org/u/jqa \_ First off, this is not really what she said there, if you pay attention carefully to the wording. She said she supports it, which can mean practically anything. Secondly, do you honesly believe every lie that a politician tells you? Did you believe Dubya when he told you that Saddam had WMD and a Nuclear program? Did you believe Gore when he told you that he invented the Internet? The actual founder of MM is famous for having written various anti-Clinton pieces, including the Troopergate story (which was later exposed as a lie, which was part of what led to Brock's "conversion"). \_ So we have to carefully parse her words to figure out wtf she's talking about? Does she know what the meaning of "is" is or was the previously resolved in court? Sheesh. \_ Politicians say bland, impenetrable things all the time, deliberately using the ambiguity inherent in language to tell the greatest number of listeners what they think they want to hear, without actually saying anything. Hillary is just better at it than most. \_ I suppose it depends on what the meaning of "it" is. I prefer leaders, of which we have a few, over your politicians. Saying she is a politician and there- fore it is ok for her to dissemble is not ok. You might as well vote for Bush. \_ I think it is obvious that I am no big fan of Hillary either, but I don't see any of these "leaders" running for President, from either party. You might be able to convince me otherwise with regards to McCain. Anyone else even remotely close? \_ Among the 'top candidates' as chosen by the media, no, not really. There are others running we barely hear from. Maybe there. \_ Who? \_ Ron Paul, Huckabee, Dodd, and Gravel come to mind. Hillary is an evil clown, Obama is a clown, Rudy is evil, Edwards is a fraudster, Romney will say anything. I miss anyone at the top? \_ Huckabee talks out both sides of his mouth with regards to taxes, Dodd is bought at paid for by Wall Street, but bought and paid for by Wall Street, but perhaps the other two are all right. I don't know much about them except what I saw on the debate. They are both obviously willing to take upopular stances openly, so you have to respect that. \_ ObBitchSlap: Gore never said he invented the Internet. \_ Created vs invented \_ "The Internet would not be where it is in the United States without the strong support given to it and related research areas by the Vice President in his current role and in his earlier role as Senator." -Vincent Cerf \_ Because it behooves him to embarass the VP by saying anything else? \_ Because it's true. \_ So you say. What exactly did Gore do without which we wouldn't have google today? \_ High Performance Computing and Communication Act of 1991 which led to the National Information Infrastructure. Learn the history of your field, young Computer Scientist. \_ 'If it had been left to private industry, it wouldn't have happened,' Andreessen says of Gore's bill, 'at least, not until years later.'. So, without Gore, we would be just like now but circa 2002? With google, yahoo, web mail, browsers, etc, but no web 2.0 ajax outside of MS web outlook? How is that different? You know the net existed then right? So he did something that eventually funded the browser a year later? It sounds like the browser was already on it's way. I'm not buying it, sorry. \_ this is one of the dumbest trolls I've ever seen. -tom \_ why do you still post here? \_ Heh, w/o CCA and NII, we'd be just like ten years ago, but with BBSs. OTOH, we'd probably have kickass analog modems. \_ Hint: there was an internet before 1991. \_ Yes, and Usenet, and other such, and you had to have access through a school or large company to get to it. W/o public investment in expanding access, you'd still have to have an OCF account to read your email. \_ And as Andreesen said, we'd be a few years behind. Call it five. That puts us at 2002 which isn't a whole lot different than today. Or maybe you're smarter than he is. We all know that without government nothing ever gets invented. Government is the source of all creativity and invention. *boggle!* \_ you're an idiot. \_ Andreesen said "years later": that could mean decades. Also, if not for gov. invest. there'd've been no .com bubble and no commesurate boost in private spending in infrastructure. Prog. w/o profit is slooow. \_ the dotcom bubble was a good thing? ok whatever. \_ It led to near- ubiquity of the Internet. I'd say that's more good than bad. \_ I'd say it didn't. I'd say more computers in more homes did that. \_ The proto-Internet was ARPAnet, run by the DOD, and the DOD decided it was no longer going to provide support for civilian applications. If the Internet did not receive funding at that point in time, maybe telecoms would have done something, but it would have been done based on the telecom model; fee for service, screw net neutrality. The government is the *only* entity which could have created the Internet as the public resource we know today. -tom \_ fee for service got you... here it comes.... SERVICE! What a shocker! imagine having a business model where you have to pay to get stuff! Dreadful! \_ What are you, a Free Market troll, a ditto- head troll, or a bridge-troll? \_ Anyone who disagrees with you must be a troll. You are the source of all truth. \_ Man, took you long enough. \_ Do you think the Internet would be better if it worked more like cell phone networks? -tom \_ For some definitions of 'better', yes. If I could pay $5/m to not get spam I would save money, for ex. The telcos would sell you "spam _/ blocking service" and then sell the spammers "spam delivery guarantee service" to get around the spam blocking. You'd have to buy a specific computer to connect to AT+T's network and it wouldn't work if you wanted to switch to Sprint, and you'd have a two year contract with a penalty clause. You'd also have a surcharge to send mail to an off-network customer, or it just wouldn't work at all. The "cheap" connectivity plan would involve huge fees for any time you actually used the service, and then they'd advertise "Tired of high fees? Buy our unlimited plan for twice as much money!" Net neutrality and ubiquitous deployment is a huge public benefit, and it could only have happend through government action, and Gore deserves a lot of credit for initiating that action. -tom \_ You mean like how I can use my cell phone right now to call anyone and it doesn't cost me anything during nights and weekends and during the day the rate is dirt cheap, I don't get spam calls, I have a choice of hundreds of phones, and all this was brought to me by pure raw capitalist competition for my hard earned dollar. Yeah, the phone system sure sucks. If it was run by the government I wouldn't have a cell phone, unless I was a Senator or someone else 'important' who gets a special health plan much different than what the proles get. No thanks. I'll pass on the socialist utopia phone system monopoly. I'm old enough to remember Ma Bell being the only game in town. A government monopoly on the phones would be no better. Competition rules. \_ Uhh, you do realize that without the government heavily regulating large chunks of the phone industry your wonderful cell phone network would be a disaster, don't you? \_ The actual quote was "During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet." which Declan (another Wired Alum) twisted into invented. \_ Hence "Created vs invented" as I said above. \_ Brock is hardly a Hillary minion, unless |
2007/10/12-15 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/Crime] UID:48298 Activity:high 52%like:48303 |
10/11 Clearly, the Nobel Peace Prize has a well known liberal bias. \_ Truth has a well known liberal bias as well. \_ Despite all the evidence! \_ http://www.religioustolerance.org/ev_publi.htm \_ Arafat won a peace prize too. \_ Arafat was a liberal? \_ No, Arafat was the kind of brutal killer a certain brand of liberals love to fawn over for some weird reason. \_ You know that Arafat did not actually win the peace prize himself, right? You do understand that it was shared with Shimon Peres and Yitzhak Rabin. Why, do you imagine, the Nobel Comittee would award a peace prize to a group of three people like that? \_ Oh of course. I have to wonder what Gore has actually done for peace. He made a movie with significant factual errors? Wow. \- i'm not a big fan of ALGOR but he's a better choice than that dumb tree planting woman or rigoberta menchu, massive liar. the should have co-awarded it to BLOMBORG for "spearheading a debate on environmental change". \_ What does GW have to do with peace? \_ Let's time travel back to 1973 and have this discussion about Kissinger's award, mmmmmkay? \_ Name one war Gore stopped. \_ It is your opinion that the movie contains significant factual errors. A majority of climate scientists would disagree with you. It is pretty much impossible to make a documentary without any piddling errors. Do you believe in Creation Science, too? \_ Or in Al's case very serious errors. \_ I notice you are avoiding the question. \_ If you look at the list of NPP winners over the last 30-40 years you'll find so many idiotic decisions that it is difficult for a rational person to take them seriously anymore. It just doesn't matter. \_ Many rational people take them seriously. Perhaps you think that the Nobel Prizes don't matter, but if you do, you would be wrong. \_ Uhm yeah. Well said. Next up: I know you are but what am I? \_ 'Regular' Nobel prizes are very prestigious. The Nobel Peace Prize became a joke when Arafat won. -- ilyas \_ The conventional Nobel prizes are very prestigious. The Nobel Peace prize was a joke ever since Arafat won. -- ilyas \_ In your opinion, which of course everyone in the whole wide world shares. Do you honestly believe that your opinions are mainstream, ilyas? -ausman \_ "That's like, your opinion, man." Why did you even write that post? -- ilyas write that post? No content. -- ilyas \_ There is a very small group of pro-war people, mostly people who despise any non-violent effort at conflict resolution and whose livelihood depends on warfare, who think that the Nobel Peace Prize is "a joke." To the overwhelming majority of humanity, it is a very presitigious award, perhaps humanity, it is a very prestigious award, perhaps the most prestigious award a human being can win. There, is that better? -ausman \_ Surprisingly, it is actually possible to not take the Nobel Peace prize seriously, and also NOT hate kittens. The Nobel committee gave the award in question to a known butcher, without bothering to check if the 'agreement' would hold, in the face of decades of similar agreements failing to work. Naturally, the 'peace' didn't take, but you know. Who cares about peace. Would you support giving Kim Jong Il the Peace prize? The fellow runs a nightmare gulag state, but I am sure he can sit down for a peace accord too. Especially if there is no requirement that he keep his word. Incidentally, did you know that at least one Nobel committee member resigned over Arafat? P.S. Are you familiar with Larry Ellison's phrase 'Bozo explosion?' It's a way in which startups \_ Yes case in point Google. Start shorting man, you'll thank me for it. eventually succumb to inertia as they grow and mature. 'Bozo explosion' is a general phenomenon, it affects not just corporations but traditions (consider the Olympic games corruption scandals), non-profit orgs (consider what happened to LA's Griffith Observatory), and apparently even prestigious prizes. -- ilyas \_ You know, I am a pretty careful student of Middle Eastern history and I have never before heard of a Palestinian-Isreali peace treaty heard of a Palestinian-Israeli peace treaty that was signed by leaders from both sides before. Can you give me some more information about this treaty? As for your confused notion about constitutes a prestigious or important prize, I will say that historical figures almost always seem more important after they are dead. I am sure the award to MLK was pretty about what constitutes a prestigious or significant prize, I will say that historical figures always seem more important after they are dead. I am sure the award to MLK was pretty controversial in 1964, as well. -ausman \_ Are you comparing Arafat to MLK now? Wow. Prizes are a social signal, nothing more. The process by which prizes are awarded is a noisy one. If this process gets so noisy that 'obviously bad people' get the prize, the prize is no longer a meaningful signal, e.g., "This prize recipient is a good person/productive contributor, etc. ... unless we happened to fuck up and the person is actually a murderer/thug/moocher/ political stooge." Bad award decisions reflect on the award, I am afraid. -- ilyas \_ I notice you are unable to provide me with any similar peace treaty, in spite of your earlier claims to the contrary. You are aware that the Nobel Peace Prize is an international prize, right? And you are aware that Arafat is one of the most highly regarded people ever in the Arab world, right? I personally do not regard Arafat as on the level of MLK, but would not be surprised if he is by most people in twenty or thirty years: it all depends on how the Israeli-Palestinian conflict works itself out. I think that Rabin and Arafat took great personal and political risks to come to an agreement, which they should be commended for. Rabin was assassinated for it, as was Sadat a decade earlier, for daring to come to a similar accord. Remember, there are still a bunch of fanatical peace hating extremists on both (many?) sides in the ME, who are willing to kill leaders on their own side who try to come to a peaceful accord. Did you approve of the assassination of Rabin and Sadat? Want Arafat and Peres assassinated? \_ Let's see: Linus Pauling, Martin Luther King, UNICEF, Andrei Sakharov, Amnesty International, Anwar Sadat & Menachim Begin, Mother Teresa, Lech Walesa, The UN Peacekeepers, Nelson Mandela & Fredrik De Klerk, Medecins Sans Frontieres. What a worthless bunch! \_ Yeah, we need a Nobel War Prize, so some Republicans can win some. \_ What I find sad about this is that there *had* to be someone out there who has actually done something about making the world a more peaceful place instead of turning the prize into a political award for correct behavior. How many truly worthy people were passed over to give Al a hat tip? \_ Name one. \- BTW, it's not only the Peace prizes with a mixed record. The Lit prize is criticized for poor choices too. |
2007/10/7 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:48253 Activity:nil 66%like:48241 |
10/4 Richardson says "Pull Out Now" http://www.csua.org/u/jnf \_ Sorry baby, I just couldn't stop. \_ Why? It feels better to stay inside. \_ Cuz I need to take a dump. |
2007/10/5-9 [Politics/Domestic/Election, ERROR, uid:48243, category id '18005#13.5625' has no name! , ] UID:48243 Activity:moderate |
10/5 Republicans trying to stack the deck in the Federal Elections Commission by either nominating a known voter suppression specialist or by allowing Bush to make recess appointments. http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/004396.php \_ Uhm, the FEC is always 3 D and 3 R. What deck are you talking about? \_ Read the article. Just because it is 3d and 3r doesn't mean it should be a body staffed by people who make partisan choices the number one priority. Just like the Justice department should strive for being non partisan. \_ I read the article before posting and a pile of the blog responses as well. Everything in DC is staffed by partisan hacks with the _possible_ exception of the GAO. Maybe. I'm not impressed with the need to screw up the FEC just so this one guy doesn't join them for a term. What was in the article that explains exactly what is so horrible about him anyway? Unless he's out raping nuns and sheep and sheep nuns it isn't important and no I don't care which party he's a member of. There are partisan hacks and plenty of em from both sides all over the place. And frankly, what is so wrong with being a partisan in a 2 party confrontational system? Lack of partisanship just reduces us to one party like so many petty totalitarian regimes. Bring on the partisans of all parties, I say. \_ Uhm, the FEC is always 3 D and 3 R. What deck are you talking about? \_ Read the article. Just because it is 3d and 3r doesn't mean \_ Read the article. Just because it is 3d and 3r doesn't mean it should be a body staffed by people who make partisan choices the number one priority. Just like the Justice department should strive for being non partisan. \_ I read the article before posting and a pile of the blog responses as well. Everything in DC is staffed by partisan hacks with the _possible_ exception of the GAO. Maybe. I'm not impressed with the need to screw up the FEC just so this one guy doesn't join them for a term. What was in the article that explains exactly what is so horrible about him anyway? Unless he's out raping nuns and sheep and sheep nuns it isn't important and no I don't care which party he's a member of. There are partisan hacks and plenty of em from both sides all over the place. And frankly, what is so wrong with being a partisan in a 2 party confrontational system? Lack of partisanship just reduces us to one party like so many petty totalitarian regimes. Bring on the partisans of responses as well. Everything in DC is staffed by partisan hacks with the _possible_ exception of the GAO. Maybe. I'm not impressed with the need to screw up the FEC just so this one guy doesn't join them for a term. What was in the article that explains exactly what is so horrible about him anyway? Unless he's out raping nuns and sheep and sheep nuns it isn't important and no I don't care which party he's a member of. There are partisan hacks and plenty of em from both sides all over the place. And frankly, what is so wrong with being a partisan in a 2 party confrontational system? Lack of partisanship just reduces us to one party like so many petty totalitarian regimes. Bring on the partisans of all parties, I say. \_ You know, it is hard to believe after Clinton and Bush, but there used to be a time when it wasn't like this. Presidents actually used to put members of the other party on their cabinet and the qualifications of your staff mattered at least as much as your loyalty. \_ Ronald Reagan hired people who were highly qualified and loyal. Ronald Reagan was GOD. -GOP \_ One word: Bork. \_ You know after Bork got 'Borked' he has spent the last 20 years writing opinions and articles and papers proving he is the extreme far right nutcase everyone suspected he would be. \_ Futher proof that smoking dope does not give you some kind of liberal disease. Suck it, Rush. \_ But you're ok with extreme left wingers on the court, yes? Someone asked how we got this way. The answer is the left viciously attacked Bork on his beliefs not his legal skills as a judge. The rest was history. \_ My memory is not so hot. Who was the last extreme left winger on the court? Also, Bork \_ Still there now. is a bad example for all of us on the motd. He is/was/will continue to be totally completely out in space. I am 100 percent glad he did not get confirmed. I dont think you'd want to live in a world either that has him as a Justice. Hey can we argue about Clarence Thomas now? \_ Whoop-dee-damn-doo. \_ I didn't say you would like him. I said where that sort of thing started in the modern era. \_ Your history needs lots and lots of work. Trying looking up "FDR, Supreme Court packing of," "Johnson, Abe Fortas nomination," etc. \_ Please join us when you can get on topic. Thanks. You topic is interesting but unrelated. \_ I think clinton had a few republicans in his cabinet? Lincoln's cabinet was kind of split, half always agreed with him, the other half thought he sucked, but he insisted they all stfu and press on with his agenda when he made a decision (I'm talking about the emancipation). I think everyone thought Roosevelt was god. I haven't read much about Nixon's cabinet. Isn't it funny how the Nixon era seems like a delightful spring breeze now? |
2007/10/4-6 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:48241 Activity:nil 66%like:48253 |
10/4 Richardson says "Pull Out Now" http://www.csua.org/u/jnf \_ Sorry baby, I just couldn't stop. \_ Why? It feels better to stay inside. \_ Cuz I need to take a dump. |
2007/9/21-24 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:48147 Activity:nil |
9/20 John Kerry in Doonesbury 30 years ago: http://www.prismnet.com/~ix/ljpix/1970s/db711021.gif \_ Didn't he serve in Vietnam? |
2007/9/20-24 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:48136 Activity:moderate |
9/20 why does Bush always say 'Democrat party'. weirdo. \_ to denigrate his opponents, of course. -tom \_ It is a code word to the wing-nut Right to let them know he is \_ It is a code work to the wing-nut Right to let them know he is one of them. \_ He's not the first to do it. I think Dem critics have gotten tired of "Democratic" party sounds like they're democratic. \_ Parse error at 'party'. \_ No, it's cause Democrat Party sounds harsh and curse like. Lucky for me it's a great litmus test. If someone says "Democrat Party" you know they are a partisan hack and it's not worth reading/listening any further. \_ I find it easy to simply use anyone who claims such a "litmus test" as a litmus test and ignore them. \_ This is why we can't have nice things. \_ It sounds like "bureaucrat", "autocrat", and "rat". \_ http://mediamatters.org/items/200608160005 The Republicans have used it as an insult since McCarthy. \_ I've only seen this come up on the motd and some very far left web sites. It never even occured to me there was a difference or it mattered. I certainly don't see the dramatic insult. Can someone please explain? \_ I don't think it 'matters' in any sense that anyone can possibly demonstrate. What I find interesting is how much time people waste on shit like this in political discussions, rather than things actually relevant to our lives. -- ilyas \_ You think that The New Yorker is very far left? \_ Where did I say I read The New Yorker? Anyway, I still don't see the dramatic insult. Or any insult. I wouldn't blink if someone said "Republic Party". What's the BFD? |
2007/9/14-22 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:48077 Activity:nil |
9/14 Paging AGONZALES : http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-ucilaw13sep13,0,5893599.story [considering what LSUMMERS was booted for, as BDELONG says "Why does MDRAKE still have a job?" \_ Right Wing Political Correctness run amok. \_ Political Correctness run amok. \- speaking of LSUMMERS: http://delong.typepad.com/sdj/2007/09/unclear-on-the-.html \- speaking of LSUMMERS and UC: http://tinyurl.com/2kvadz |
2007/9/14-22 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:48073 Activity:moderate |
9/14 So, exactly what did the surge accomplish again? http://www.economist.com/opinion/displayStory.cfm?Story_ID=9804115 My feeling is that Republican just want to drag this until 2009 and blame Democrats for "loosing the war." \_ It accomplished exactly what it was intended to accomplish: it lined the pockets of the defence contractors, all who donate to the GOP. \_ Are you kidding? Most large companies donate to both parties. It only makes sense to do so. \_ Do you really think that defense contractos donate the same amount to both parties? How about oil companies? \_ Dunno if they donate the same amount or not, but I'm quite sure they donate to both parties. \_ Easy enough to look up: http://www.csua.org/u/jk9 Big Oil: 3:1 Republican, 4:1 recently http://www.csua.org/u/jka Defence: 60:40 GOP, 2:1 lately The latter actually surprised me a bit, I thought that it would be more one sided. \_ It used to be that the timeline for ending a war was "when we've won". Now it seems like the timeline is "we haven't won and this is really frustrating so let's just call it a day and go home and pretend it never happened". The tactics, strategies, equipment, man power levels, focus, and diplomatic efforts may all be wrong and require a complete change of plan but retreating because we're and re Elsewhere in the programme, we meet glamour model Lucy Pinder, whose breasts hav\ e made her famous. With contracts to the Daily Star and Nuts magazine, Lucy has\ made a name for herself using her body quire a complete change of plan s got a b\ rain as well as a pair of The programme follows Lucy on a shoot for Nuts and he\ ars what life is like when you have some of the most famous breasts in the nation. Also on Wednesday, model Jo talks about how her attitude towards her breasts cha\ nged dramatically after she had her baby, and Gemma explains what life is like w\ hen you have to spend up 800 a year on hiding an embarrassing nipple problem. to boobs!Shebut retreating because we're and but retreating because we're "bored of this war and it's no fun!" is detrimental to our long term standing in the world and our ability in the future for generations to apply non-military pressure to accomplish our national goals. No one follows a loser or a quitter. The war has become so political that no one in DC seems to care about the consequences anymore. It has become a faxed memo talking points political item. How sad for all of us. \_ The war was a mistake. If you make a mistake, the thing to do is stop making it, not stubbornly keep doing it because you are worried about pride and saving face. This whole thing has already damaged our standing in the world. Talk about consequences? What is your definition of "winning"? \_ "The thing to do is stop making it": far too trivial an answer. The answer is to finish what you started, not get bored and go because it is annoying. We'll never win by my definition. Our leaders (in both parties) are too gutless to do what needs to be done. I read an interview with Powell a few days ago where he said we should have shot a bunch of looters on day one as a lesson to the rest. I'm with Powell. \_ You still haven't answered the question as to what it would mean for us to win. \_ Win = defeat your enemies. In this case that would mean closing the borders with Syria and Iraq to cut off support and crushing groups such as the 'mahdi army'. Once your enemies are defeated you can talk about diplomatic solutions among the rational people who remain. While these groups exist and still think they can get more from fighting instead of talking there can be no diplomatic solution to anything. War is about breaking the will of your enemy to continue fighting, which we haven't even *tried* to do yet. That might get a bunch of folks into a tizzy and we can't have folks in a tizzy, can we? \_ Fighting it the way you want to fight it would require many more men that the military has. I don't think there is any way you are going to sell a draft, especially at this point. And even if you could, I don't think it would work, since it basically requires breaking the Iraqi will to have an indepedent government. It didn't work in Vietnam, why would it work here? Iraq has a long history of defeating colonial powers, you know. \_ We're not colonizing, we're SETTING IT FREE!!! Give me freedom or give me death! -Neocon \_ How about choking to death on some Freedom Fries? \_ You CAN'T finish it. That's the fucking point. \_ In your opinion. Fighting it like we have, you are correct since we haven't been fighting, which includes the surge in recent months. \_ Whether Iraq should have been invaded or not is neither here nor there. What people need to focus on is the fact that we *are* there. Now what? Packing up and going home is not a good solution, so what are the other options? \_ The only other option I can think of is to arm some Saddam Hussein like strong man and let him kill as many Kurds and Shi'ites as he needs to keep the country together. Too bad we killed SH, eh? \_ Then it is a good thing you're not making any decisions. \_ Yes, far better to listen to you and blow $1T,\ 3k lost lives, 30k maimed and our credibility \_ Yes, far better to listen to you and blow $1T, 3k lost lives, 30k maimed and our credibility on a pointless invasion. I notice you haven't been able to come up with any withdrawal strategy. It is either the one I came up with or an out and out civil war, which will be worse, and just end up with the same kind of strongman in the end anyway. Oh, and I warned that the invasion of Iraq would most likely result in a civil war there *before* the invasion. So yes, it is a "good thing" that I am not making any decisions. \_ Stop focusing on the past. What's done is done. Who cares about what you warned against? So your withdrawal options are what again? And what options are there other than withdrawal, if any? Dems like to say "I told you so". Fair enough. Now they want to lead the country, so what's the plan? Most of what I hear is BS that panders to the "I told you so"'s in hopes of getting elected. I'd like to hear some real plans. So far my favorite is the Biden-Gelb plan, which basically calls for splitting Iraq up and guaranteeing the Sunnis a share of oil profits. I think the people who want our troops out of Iraq now are thinking with their hearts and not their minds. \_ Actually, I think we should do the same thing I suggested two years ago and it starts with impeaching Bush and handing him over to an International War Crimes Tribunal. But I am sure you are not interested in hearing it again, so I won't bother. Any "solution" that doesn't start out with hat in hand to the Iranians, Turks, Syrians and Saudis is just a big waste of time. You stilll are dreaming of waste of time. You still are dreaming of victory, when what you should be doing is trying to cut your losses. Okay, I just looked up the Biden-Gelb plan and it at least recognizes the idea that the US needs to engage Iraqi neighbors to have a hope of a chance of success. But that chance that Bush is going to effectively engage Iran is nill. Maybe the next President will, though. read the Biden-Gelb plan and I think it focuses on the important points, which are recognizing the inevitable need to draw in and get the support from Iraq's neighbors. I still think you are stuck in fantasyland though. nil. Maybe the next President will, though. \_ Vote for Biden. People should stop wasting their time with Hillary and Obama. They are probably the 3rd and 4th best candidates the Dems have but they have NAME RECOGNITION. The Dems suck and I have low expectations for the next President. \_ Joe "never met a credit card company I wouldn't fellate" Biden? Seriously, Biden can't get the base. Without primary voters, you can't get the nom. \_ I understand that, but I still think he is the best man for the job. \_ I like Biden quite a bit, mostly just from watching him at the debates, but I don't think he has a chance. But my candidate (Edwards) doesn't have much of a chance either. \_ Edwards leads the pack in Iowa. Or, had for a while... It's neck and neck, apparently. \_ I don't think he has a chance either and that's too bad. Why is everyone all over Hillary? |
2007/9/14-18 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Foreign/Asia/India] UID:48067 Activity:low |
9/14 Argentina museum displays Incan mummy - Yahoo! News: http://www.csua.org/u/jiw This mummy is creepy. \_ All mummies are creepy. \_ This one is more creepy than the Egyptian ones. She looks alive. \_ I find the dried husk look more creepy. |
2007/9/14 [Recreation/Dating, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:48065 Activity:nil |
9/14 Motd nuked, for great justice. It was the only way to be sure. But by the time they reached the door, they had blown up too much and were too wide to fit through the door frame. Dean tried pressing themtogether, his fingers almost disappearing into the inflating flesh, but all this did was make Liz cum in her shorts. She gasped as the sensation passed momentarily, but she weakened enough to beg Dean to do it again.Dean, more centered on his task, stepped back and tried to come up with asolution, and couldn't. He ushered her back to the middle of the small room and shut the door before anyone noticed. Every step Liz took made her breasts sway and the movement of the air on her enormous nipples started her up again. Giving in to the intense waves of passion that were raping her system, she grabbed her incredible tits and began massaging them all over, sending waves of electricity through them and making her privates literally oozefrom her hot juices. Dean grabbed the phone and told the woman that she was stuck in her room and that they couldn't get out. The woman thought for a second, then told Dean that for the pill to wear off, the person had to experience the sheer joy, joy that only came from a cataclysmic orgasm. She then thought that maybe if he tried to make her have one, her breasts would revert back to normal. She told him that the growth was happening underneath only one layer of her skin and that they would pop painlessly once it happen, letting her be normal again. |
2007/9/14 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:48064 Activity:nil |
9/14 Argentina museum displays Incan mummy - Yahoo! News: http://www.csua.org/u/jiw This mummy is creepy. When Dean started to explain that he needed to make sure that his friend understood everything that he needed, Liz gave up and whispered, "I'm having a little trouble". Dean looked at her quizzically, and then thought that she needed to go to the bathroom and told her to hold it. She then gave up on trying to hide her problem and stood up a bit straighter and gave Dean a quick look at her "growing concerns." Instantly Dean told his friend good-bye and started walking swiftly with Liz under his arm, she walking a little hunched over to try and conceal her chest. Dean whispered, "What are you doing? You trying to get me all excited with those fake.. "They're not fake, Dean...something is happening to me...my breasts are growing..I can actually feel them inflating. What's going on? Wait.. What was in those pills I took?" Dean explained the whole story to her as they tried to make it quickly across the quad. Liz punched him in the arm when he told her about the pills, telling him he should have warned her. Dean tried to plead his case, but it didn't matter now. Liz's chest was near a D-cup now, and she noticed that they seemed to be expanding faster as time passed. She was almost walking with her back hunched at a 45 degree angle now so that she didn't show any curves, looking rather silly. Dean dove his hand into his pocket and retrieved the vial again. He studied it, trying to find anything on it that might help, and noticed some writing on the bottom of the cork. It read: Ego Builders: Take one each night and triple your doubt. Find happiness and all will be as it should. Dean thought carefully and then realized what was happening: Liz must have doubted that her chest attracted men and they were now tripling in size, but she had taken 30 pills, so that meant... "Oh my god!" both Dean and Liz said as they figured out the meaning. Liz started breathing heavy, which wasn't helping conceal her chest. Dean could do nothing but continue walking faster towards Liz's place. |
2007/9/14 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:48062 Activity:high 66%like:48063 |
9/14 How does she do this? (NSFW) Yoga? http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/6497/screenshotpm1.png \_ She reminds me of the Fat Man bomb that was dropped on Nagasaki. Incidentally, see the ASCII art below. "Dean, I'm getting too big," sobbed Liz, "My breasts are gonna pop out of my shirt soon." "I know I know...we are almost there." reassured Dean. The elevator stopped and the pair got out, Liz continuing to hold onto Dean's back like a little babe. They walked down to her room and Liz handed her key to Dean. He quickly opened the door and they both dove into the room. Slamming and locking it behind them, Dean turned to look at Liz. Her breasts were stretching the shirt to it's utmost limits now, the fabric noticeably becoming more and more thin. Liz stood there watching her chest inflate, not knowing what to do about it. She grabbed herself again and tried to push in, but her tits were too sensitive to the touch now. Every time she touched herself, she nearly came in her shorts. Liz's shirt was so tight that Dean could she the imprint around her front of the too small bra all around the circumference of her bust. Liz just stood there with her hands near her chest, wanting to hold them in, but knowing if she did it would drive her crazy. "Dean...call the store!" Liz gasped. Dean stood motionless as he noticed the second button beginning toquiver a bit. Liz looked down just in time to see it pop off too,careening around the room. Her breasts spilled out of her shirt a bit more now, and modesty took over. She reached around and tried to block Dean's view, but too much flesh was there, and it was still growing. "Dean!" shouted Liz and Dean snapped out of his mammary trance and grabbed the phone book. Liz took in short breaths now, trying to expand her chest anymore then it already was. Soon, Dean found the number and dialed the place up. "I feel it....I'm gonna pop another one." gasped Liz and she shot her hand to her front to try and hold her shirt together, but she was too late. __,-~~/~~~~~~`---. _/_,---( , ) / < / ) \ | ( / :: \ / : \ | \/ ::::::: :: \ :::) :: / (_(::::\::( ::::>::::::\) \\_(:_:<:::>_>'::::/ // ~~`-i########|--~~ :/OVIVBV|v\: ,Z/V7V|HIH\\.. /V|ViI:i\ I;|.|.| <|i::|i|`. - ------===;;;'====------------------===;;;===----- - - ` ^'"`-' " /V|ViI:i\ :/OVIVBV|v\: __ __ ,Z/V7V|HIH\\.. _ _ __/~\___/ \_/ \XX/~~\##/~~\\\_/ \/ \__/~~\_/\_ __,,,----(::/::\:/:\:==@@@@@############@@@@@===/;;\;;);;);;)-----..____ 9/14 Motd nuked, for great justice. It was the only way to be sure. |
2007/9/11-13 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:48004 Activity:low |
9/11 new CSUA logo http://blog.wfmu.org/photos/uncategorized/2007/09/09/254b.jpg \_ Nice partisan shot at a non-partisan post. I salute you troll! \_ how about: http://members.fortunecity.com/sfcspacedock/eelrglogo.jpg \_ It wasn't partisan. It was social and political commentary. If you think it was partisan, who exactly was it partisan in favor of? -!op |
2007/9/10-13 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:47996 Activity:high |
9/10 A reminder of 6 years ago http://www.coxandforkum.com/archives/001195.html \_ Lucky bastard. \_ Yes, I remember how the Commander-In-Chief finished reading _My_Pet_Goat_ and then ran away and hid, while America was under attack. \_ Nice partisan shot at a non-partisan post. I salute you troll! \_ Cox and Forkum is non-partisan? In what Universe? \_ The post itself was non-partisan, irrespective of the rest of the site. \_ You are so 9/12. With everything that has happened since then if wasting 7 minutes for the cameras and then going to airforce one like he's supposed is still on your mind as being important at all then vote republican next time. They can use your help. \_ Who decides what the President is supposed to do in this case? Most past Presidents had enough personal bravery to fulfill their responsibility to the nation first. \_ Yeah yeah nice, join us here with our problems in 2007. As far as your whining about being on AF1 6 years ago, maybe standing in front of the whitehouse trying to catch an incoming 747 would have been a nice gesture but they still evacuate buildings for anthrax and bomb scares, too. Next time congress has a scare should they stay there anyway to show their bravery? You're too stupid to continue breathing. Please fix that, trollboy. Back here in 2007 no one gives a crap about pet goats. \_ That's right, join us in 2007 where we STILL need to impeach the treasonous SOB. \_ Treasonous and cowardly. \_ At least the topic of impeachment is 2007 and is about things more important than pet goats. \_ I get what you're saying, but I get a serious twitch thinking that we're somehow better off now that we have something more than silly behavior on which to base a call for impeachment. \_ No we're not better off, of course but it is a total head-shaker for me that anyone would even bother to troll on pet goats at this point. It's just a stupid waste of bits. As far as impeachment is concerned, that is and always has been a political issue, not a legal one. The *only* requirement is having enough votes for it. If you got the votes and the balls, then go for it. If you don't, then there's no point in mentioning it. I think an impeachment could be exciting in a spectator sport sort of way but it isn't going to happen so what's the point of talking about it? By "you" I mean "whoever is in power at the time and doesn't like the current administration now or at any other time", not "you personally". I don't expect a random csuaer to single handedly impeach the US President. :) \_ You asked for "recollections of 9/11." I posted mine. Too bad that anything other than your rose colored vision of the past is "Trolling" to you. \_ Yes, Congress should stay to show their bravery. It is the overreaction to 9/11 that caused more damage than the event iteslf. If our leaders had shown some courage and self-sacrifice, the population at large would have done so as well and we wouldn't be in the mess we are in now. \_ Hence the call for impeachment. \_ You didn't peg the Troll Meter. You just broke it. You think Congress should stay in a bomb/anthrax scare building to show their bravery? Complete waste of precious bits. Get off the net. Find a bridge to hide under. \_ There was a time when bravery was considered a virtue by most and it still is by some of us. Obviously, you are not one of them. Who are you to decide who is deserving of having on opinion or not? Grow up. or not? Grow up. How many bomb threats a day do you think Congress gets? Why did they evacuate Capital Hill because a single-engined Cesssna flew off course? It was all part of an attempt to terrorize the sheeple, which apparently took quite well in your case. Land of the Free, Home of the Brave, indeed. |
2007/9/10-13 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Industry/Jobs] UID:47988 Activity:low |
9/10 cop gone bad (or always bad) http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2715792117793977759& \_ yes, all cops are always bad automatically. any bad thing one cop does, they all do. sheesh. \_ My anecdotal experience of LA cops: (a) fat, (b) wouldn't lift a finger to help you, (c) love to hit people without reason. -- ilyas \_ my personal experience with ~ six LAPD and UCPD cops over the years: professional, polite, helpful. CHP cops on the other hand ... \_ What's the loud annoying clicking noise? Also, what is the law here; are you allowed to refuse to answer questions? I guess this kid isn't too smart trying to debate stuff with a cop. Just shut up, kiss the cop's ass, and he'd probably not have to go through that. Also, what is the law here; are you allowed to refuse to answer questions? I guess this kid isn't too smart trying to debate stuff with a cop. Just shut up, kiss the cop's ass, and he'd probably not have to go through that. |
2007/9/10 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:47976 Activity:moderate |
9/10 emarkp are you aware that your presidential candidate's campaign finance manager is heavily involved with a global network of teenager torturers? http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2007/09/mitt-romney-robert-lichfield.php I know someone who got shipped off to that, he said it was like the Stanford Prison Experiment. \_ same thing, a few months ago: http://www.reason.com/news/show/121088.html \_ A movie about WWASP was released in theaters recently. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhUuz6LAJL8 http://www.self-medicated.com \_ Hi anonymous troll! Why are you calling him "my" candidate? -emarkp \_ Doesn't the High Apostle decree you have to vote for the in the race? \_ You troll foo is weak. You do know that both Harry Reid and Orrin Hatch are LDS as well, right? -emarkp \_ Non sequitur: neither of them are running for Pres. \_ My point is that they're politically opposite. So much for obeying some sort of church order. -emarkp \_ Failed Mormons like Reid will never enter the inner sanctum Holy Of Holies. \_ Failed trolls like you will never be allowed back under the bridge. |
2007/9/8-10 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Foreign/Europe] UID:47956 Activity:nil |
9/8 John Edwards calls upon world to join us in fight against terrorism saying you're either with us or against us: http://apnews.myway.com/article/20070907/D8RGM0R00.html \_ Can't wait to vote for Obama in the Primaries. \_ Imagine the gall of the guy, actually trying to engage our allies. Wouldn't we have better luck if we called them Cheese Eating Surrender Monkeys and renamed fried potatoes Freedom Fries? \_ You didn't RTA. He is doing no such thing. Read his quotes, not the "journalist's" description of it. You join us and follow our rules or you're with the terrorists. Your second sentence is just noise. Not even Bush has called anyone that. \_ Once again, your reading skills are subpar: "Those nations who refuse to join will be called out before the world." Explain to me how you get "you're with the terrorists" from this. At worst, I see a vagueness in what will happen to nations that refuse to join. -!pp \_ On 11 March 2003, Representatives Robert W. Ney (R-Ohio) and Walter B. Jones, Jr. (R-North Carolina) declared that all references to French fries and French toast on the menus of the restaurants and snack bars run by the House of Representatives would be removed. House cafeterias were ordered to rename French fries as "freedom fries". |
2007/8/31-9/3 [Politics/Domestic/Gay, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:47869 Activity:high |
8/31 This is why Edwards can't get elected: http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/r_m In a recent speech, John Edwards told Americans to sacrifice their inefficient cars, and specifically, to give up their SUVs. But the presidential hopeful is driven around in a Cadillac SRX Crossover, which guzzles gas at 15 miles per gallon. His spokesman says that he drives a hybrid SUV in North Carolina, but reports say the Edwards family has a regular SUV and a small truck as well. \_ He can't get traction because he's so obviously a fake and he's also pushing his 'rich vs. poor' thing during the best economic times the country has ever seen. Class warfare is dead. \_ Yes, if you're rich the economic times are great. It's the third gilded age. \_ Yawn. The poor have never been better off. The middle class has never been better off. The rich are always better off so their status has nothing to do with anything. I'm not even close to rich and everything is peachy. What's *your* problem? \_ The middle class income has been going down for about six years now. You probably didn't notice. And an overwhelming majority think we are in a recession right now. \_ And if the media told them they were doing great they'd think it was a boom time. That same majority can't even define recession unless they think it means lowest unemployment rate in the western world. \_ Ah, "the media" controls what everyone thinks. I understand where you are coming from now. \_ Paul Graham once noted that while income disparity increases, 'lifestyle disparity' decreases. The poorest citizens of the world have access to things people even 50 years ago would consider unattainable luxuries (cell phones for instance). Bank account differences are somewhat of a red herring -- they are important but they aren't a good measure of 'inequality' because of the diminishing marginal utility of money. -- ilyas \_ The poorest citizens of the world are still starving to death. Don't get too full of yourself there. \_ There are the poor wretches who had the misfortune to be born in NK, or some parts of SE Asia or Africa. I don't think the root cause there is economic per se, or rather the economy is fucked because the places are run by thugs. I was talking about places like India or China. But, discounting the 'ultra rich', consider how similar people's lifestyles are in the States. Compared to, say, one hundred years ago. Upper middle class increasingly distinguishes itself by brands rather than 'novel things' unavailable to lower stratas of society. The same engine which increases income disparity also provides the Honda civics, ultra-cheap computers, cell phones, televisions, etc. Actually the issue isn't just that money has diminishing marginal utility, it's that progress continues to raise how much 'lifestyle' you can buy on a limited budget. One way the current trends can end is income disparity continues to increase, but it stops being relevant because goods become so well-made, cheap, and plentiful, that material scarcity gets essentially eliminated. Sure, some people will still be significantly 'richer' than others, but what practical effect will that extra money have? Perhaps there will be a market for 'brands' or 'original works of art' or doing very expensive things 'for the soul' like funding wacky grand research projects or going into space. People are too hung up on money. I have a number of friends who are significantly more wealthy than me, and our lives are scarcely different. The difference will only get smaller. -- ilyas \_ The televisions and clothes may be similar but the important differences are in things like working hours, vacations, health and health care, and real estate related issues (ghetto vs. nice place for children). In general I agree the poor are still mostly better off than before. \_ In my experience, the 'well off' that work tend to work harder and longer than minimum wagers. \_ In my experience, the "well off" retire much, much earlier, like in their 50s. The middle class retires in their early to mid 60s and the poor never retire. That is probably the biggest difference. \_ Yes of course, the question being what happens to the these differences as time passes. Do the rich retire earlier today than 50 years ago? \_ If hypocrisy kept politicians from getting elected, there would be no Republican elected officials at all. \_ *laugh* Or Democrats either. The blindness to the flaws of the party you don't dislike is just amazing. I really do laugh every time I see one of these "my guys are all angels and your guys are all stupid and satanic" posts here or on various blogs. \_ Nice to see you are so easily amused. You obviously have not thought very hard about the word hypocrisy and what it means. There are plenty of things to dislike about Democrats but not living up to their ideals is a Republican speciality. \_ Nice to see you are so easily amused. \_ So bribery, theft, lying, hypocrisy and abuse of power are a part of the Democratic party platform? Thanks for clarifying. I understand now. \_ I guess it depends on how you define "bribery and theft." Do you mean taking tax dollars from one person and giving it to another? Then yes, it is part of the party platform. If you mean something else, please provide evidence that Democrats are more likely to engage in it than Republicans. And you keep throwing out that word "hypocrisy" without any notion of what it means. Go look it up in a dictionary and get back to us, m'kay? How many Republicans vs Democrats in Congress have been indicted in the last 10 years? \_ If you can't see the hypocrisy of some very high profile Democrat politicians, then you're just being a politics homer/fanboi. Politicians are a bunch of bums no matter what party. -not pp \_ No one said the Democrats were angels. That was a straw man you are responding to. They have just not been as bad as the Republicans, at least recently. \_ We have to vote for our lizards so the other lizards don't get elected. -- ilyas \_ motd bleeding heart liberal here. multimillionaire 25k square foot house trial lawyer owning Edwards talking about class war (I have some NO WAR BUT CLASS WAR shirts I can send to him) is pretty funny. Homosexual law oppressing passing Senator Craig getting caught passing homosexual code is funny too. Idaho state policeman dedicating himself to undercover luring of old men into sex acts at the airport bathroom is the funniest thing all day though. seriously, aren't there real crimes out there anymore? \- Minneapolis is not in Idaho. |
2007/8/29-31 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:47805 Activity:kinda low |
8/29 Didnt McCain take part in a giant S&L scandal back in the 80s? \_ yes. \_ Did he do anything wrong? \- note that south bay resident and stanfraud alumni and \- note that south bay resident and stanfraud alumnus and otherwise nutjob alan cranston's culpability in the keating five was much worse. i think maybe some people keating five was worse. i think maybe some people now have gotten more sophisticated about influence peddiling. i can imagine the hillary-hsu connection is comparable, let alone the marc rich cash for pardon case. let alone the marc rich cash-for-pardon case. also mccain made some acknowledgements about doing the wrong thing. unlike say that human cockroach tom delay. btw, i think charles keating should have been put to death. \_ Delenda est Keating. \_ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keating_Five |
2007/8/28 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/President/Reagan] UID:47770 Activity:high |
8/27 Surprising facts: ppl with children are no happier than those who don't, retirees no happier than workers, pet owners no happier than those without pets, etc etc. Also, R happier than D, the young are less happy than the middle-aged and old, suburbanites are happier than city folks. http://pewresearch.org/pubs/301/are-we-happy-yet \_ Why is any of this surprising? Every choice has plusses and minuses. \_ You do end up happier if you're married, though, on average. How about that, BDG? |
2007/8/17-19 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:47632 Activity:high |
8/17 Why is McCain so bad again? He seems to be the least pro-torture Republican candidate. \_ His immigration stance killed his candidacy. McCain-Feingold didn't help. \_ Talk about damning with faint praise. \_ If you're a (D) then it doesn't matter. If you're a (R) then you'd know why. |
2007/8/13-15 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/911] UID:47597 Activity:high |
8/13 ANDREW SULLIVAN: The man's legacy is a conservative movement largely discredited and disunited, a president with lower consistent approval ratings than any in modern history, a generational shift to the Democrats, a resurgent al Qaeda, an endless catastrophe in Iraq, a long hard struggle in Afghanistan, a fiscal legacy that means bankrupting America within a decade, and the poisoning of American religion with politics and vice-versa. For this, he got two terms of power - which the GOP used mainly to enrich themselves, their clients and to expand government's reach and and drain on the productive sector. In the re-election, the president with a relatively strong economy, and a war in progress, managed to eke out 51 percent. Why? Because Rove preferred to divide the country and get his 51 percent, than unite it and get America's 60. \_ "My guys: Good. Your guys: Evil". \_ Who was the one who claimed to have a "Permanent Republican Majority"? Remove the plank from your own eye. \_ 1) You "missed the point". 2) You also seem blind to the fact that a post like yours is exactly the point you missed. 3) I'll try again for you, more slowly this time: "My guys: Gooooood. Your guys: Eeeeeeevil". \_ I think even people who like Karl Rove will admit he's pretty evil. \_ I don't particularly like or dislike Rove. I think he's pretty much like all DC political 'advisor' types, he's just better at it than most we've seen in recent years. Maybe that makes him more evil than the others? \_ Did you know that Andrew Sullivan is a conservative? Knowing that, what exactly is the point that you claim that you are trying to make? \_ AS hasn't written a conservative piece in many years. Find me one and we'll discuss. \_ gotta agree with you there. being gay and conservative is like waking up in the morning and shoving a scissors in your eye every day. \_ Uh, his book? \_ I see. I didn't realize that I was talking to the guy who gets to decide who wears the label of "Real" Conservtive and who doesn't. My apologies. Real Conservative and who doesn't. My apologies. \_ I think your entire "my guy" concept needs to go. \_ It is much easier to just divide the world into two teams than to bother to think. Especially for this guy, though we are still working on him. \_ Still missing the point. Maybe you'll get it one day. \_ Still waiting for you to make one... \_ I assume it was something to the effect that any negative judgment of Rove is actually, despite any pretenses to the contrary, mere partisan zeal. All politicians are equal and they all do the exact same stuff, or wish they had thought of it first. In short, "nyah nyah i'm not listening!" \_ In other words, complaints about partisanship are in fact partisan themselves. Complaints about complaints about partisanship, on the other hand are really cool. And complaints about complaints about complaints about partisanship are further proof of partisanship. Do I have that about right there? \_ Will take under advisement for the next edition. Thanks. \_ http://bbwchan.org/inflation/src/1186529046760.jpg |
2007/8/8-13 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:47559 Activity:moderate |
8/7 Am I the only one who thinks Biden makes a lot more sense than either Hilary or Obama? \_ I don't know much about Biden, but I'm not much for either Hillary or Obama, so, sell him to me. \_ Have you checked out Edwards? He has by far the most comprehensive ideas so far. But yeah, if I was not backing Edwards, I would be checking out Biden. He has impressed me at the debates, too. \_ Maybe I should get over my gut-level aversion to Edwards. He reminds me of Dan Quayle for some reason. \_ http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/06/04/debate.analysis/index.html?eref=rss_mostpopular http://www.aflcio.org/issues/politics/questionnaires_joebiden.cfm#15 \_ Have you checked out Edwards? He has by far the most comprehensive ideas so far. But yeah, if I was not backing Edwards, I would be checking out Biden. He has impressed me at the debates, too. \_ Maybe I should get over my gut-level aversion to Edwards. He reminds me of Dan Quayle for some reason. \_ http://preview.tinyurl.com/2zgnqh (cnn.com) http://preview.tinyurl.com/yw935k (aflcio.com) \_ Joe "the plagiarist" Biden? \_ I'd rather have a plagarist president who takes the best ideas and implements them, though fails to cite properly, than some idiot who sticks to his own ideas no matter how stupid. \_ Biden's a shill. Anyone who voted for the bankruptcy changes should be made to explain, in depth, why. \_ Why can't we have someone who is actually quality? Why is "He's better than BUSH!!!" a reason to like someone? \_ I actually like Romney, I think he's really solid on the things I care about. He has a solid track record on balancing budgets, technology issues, and health care. \_ Oh and we think similarly because we have similar backgrounds (e.g. core Mormon values) -pp \_ We will have a gay president before we have a Mormon president. \_ You forgot Abe. \_ So you think more voters are religious bigots than sexual preference bigots? Or is this just your personal expression of greater dislike of mormons than gays? \_ The former. \_ Which is he is now disavowing in a rapid rush to the right in order to get the nomination... You don't find his blatant pandering in the least disgusting? |
2007/7/31-8/3 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:47487 Activity:nil |
7/31 What's the deal with chicks and flipflops? It is barely okay to wear flipflops to the mall. Flipflops to work is lame and flipflops paired with an otherwise nice outfit is even more lame. Can women not afford shoes or sandals anymore? Plus, they are so bad for your feet! I have been watching out for flipflops lately (no I do not have a foot fetish) and the problem is reaching epic proportions! \_ Sir! We have a flipflop gap! \_ Just move to The City. It is too cold for flipflops here. \_ "Future President John Kerry!" |
2007/7/26-27 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:47438 Activity:kinda low |
7/26 Regarding the contradiction between Mueller and Gonzales. The Bush admin's story is that there were two surveillance programs: the #1 Terrorist Surveillance Program (TSP) and #2 an unnamed one. Comey was going to resign over #2. Mueller said Gonzales came to see Ashcroft for #2. Gonzo said it was #2. Dems think Gonzo said #1 and Mueller said #2. No one could talk about #2 clearly because of national security. See?! Perjury trap!!!11 \_ Someone should get Gonzalez a lawyer, and maybe someone who can tell him to stop sounding like a fucking idiot. What do they call those people? \_ The Bush admin's story is he's only being obtuse to avoid disseminating classified information that revealing could only INCREASE the potential of mushroom clouds over major U.S. cities. disseminating classified information that revealing could only INCREASE the potential of mushroom clouds over major U.S. cities. |
2007/7/24-27 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:47406 Activity:nil |
7/24 So why did the "liberal" media obsess over Edward's $400 haircut and never mention Romney's $300 visit to the salon? http://johnedwards.com/watch/hair \_ Because Edwards has way more fru fru hair and ultimately the news is about selling ads, the political agenda is second. \_ Because no one in their right mind could believe that Romney's dumb enough to pay good money to look like that. \_ You can't see how Edwards is being called out for being a hypocrite since his entire campaign is the "Two Americas" theme while Romney has never made that sort of statement? No one likes a hypocrite. The people in the "poor half" of Edwards America sure as hell can't afford his $400 haircut. |
2007/7/24-26 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/Crime] UID:47401 Activity:low |
7/24 The polls are in. Edwards tried his best and did ok, but in the end he has no chance. It's either a woman or a black man. Which one would you choose and why? (YouNeedToVoteToSeeResults) http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/debates/scorecard/youtube.debate \_ His being a slimeball personal injury lawyer may have something to do with that. \_ I think he did some good work. Do you really want all of your children's intestines sucked out by a pool? \_ Do /you/ want him channeling children to get a sympathetic jury to trump good science in CP cases? \_ And this is better or worse than Frist channeling a brain dead woman for political grandstanding? \_ False dichotomy. They could be equally bad. I don't recall him channelling her though. \_ Hmmm, the criminal or the racist, what a choice! \_ Just like a cracker to think that all black men are criminals. \_ I think you're joking, but just to clarify, Hillary is the criminal. \_ Yawn. Baseless accusations are so boring. Perhaps you can organize a website to collect both your tinfoil hat and your "proof"? \_ Funny, I considered the "Obama is racist" claim to be more controversial... \_ Didn't Hillary kill Vince Foster? \_ Just to watch him die. \_ With her bare hands. In front of a busload of nuns. \_ Bro's before ho's \_ Thank you Butler. \_ It's a poll about a 'debate' on youtube. There is no 'there' there. |
2007/7/21-26 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:47374 Activity:nil |
7/21 Meet Mitt Romney, our candidate for junior high class president: http://www.tmz.com/2007/07/21/mitt-catches-s-t-over-hillary-bashing-sign |
2007/6/19-21 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:47006 Activity:kinda low |
6/19 Hillary Clinton's campaign theme song is a Celine Dion tune. Now I can't vote for her. \_ Obama's is "Think" by Aretha Franklin. which is about a man cheating on a woman. Do you think Obama is trying to enrage the Hillary? http://www.lyrics007.com/Aretha%20Franklin%20Lyrics/Think%20Lyrics.html http://preview.tinyurl.com/yogl75 (lyrics007.com) \_ "You And I" \_ Blame Canada \_ Why not? \_ Lieberman's is LETS HAVE A WAR \_ The first candidate that chooses "TV Party" as their theme song gets my vote. \_ This is like Michael Moore saying he'd support the first candidate to dance in a moshpit: you're going to end up endorsing Alan Keyes. http://csua.org/u/iz7 (Michael Moore) \_ Bomb bomb bomb bomb Iran -- McCain |
2007/6/18-19 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:47000 Activity:nil |
6/17 Email records missing for 51 of 88 White House Officials with RNC accounts http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070618/ap_on_go_pr_wh/white_house_e_mails \_ Whooops!! |
2007/6/16-18 [Politics/Domestic/Abortion, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:46978 Activity:nil 76%like:46895 |
6/16 Romney is not a flip-flopper, he was just "won over" http://www.csua.org/u/ixt |
2007/6/11-13 [Politics/Domestic/Election, ERROR, uid:46911, category id '18005#3.32125' has no name! , ] UID:46911 Activity:nil |
6/11 The Politics of Personality Destruction, why we elect phonys for POTUS http://nymag.com/news/politics/32864 |
2007/6/8-13 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:46895 Activity:nil 76%like:46978 |
6/9 Romney: flip-flopper http://www.csua.org/u/ivk \_ Maybe you can explain to me how that's a flip-flop? \_ maybe it's the same way that voting for an amendment that failed, then voting against the bill without the amendment is flip-flopping. \_ Let's see. When it actually happened he said it was a good thing, but now that he's running for president on the "I'm oh so religious and 'moral'" ticket he says he thought otherwise. Hmm. \_ Huh? He said "It is the policy in the military -- what, 10, 15 years -- and working..." Sounds to me like he's just surprised how well it's worked out. The closest thing to a flip-flop here is how he characterized his original feelings about it. Which could actually both be true as well. \_ Huh? You realize these two statements are not mutually exclusive? He also never says he thought gays servering in the military is bad. It's a strech to call that a flip-flop. \_ Oh no! He flip-flopped on his feeling 15 year's ago! It's Retcon! \_ Yeah! It's only a flip flop if you change your mind after 20 years or more... or is that under 10 years or less? Or, if you're not a republican? Yeah, that's it... \_ Only 5 years in the case of abortion rights. He is a serial flip-flopper. |
2007/6/7-10 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:46884 Activity:nil |
6/7 What do you guys think of Edward's chances? He won this caucus that I was a part of, does he have any real chance? http://www.csua.org/u/ivc -anonymous coward \_ Maybe. A low maybe but a maybe. \_ I think he has no chance. I think in the public's eye he's old news. It's either HRC or Browser Helper Object. \_ I don't think Edwards has any chance. He should spend time with his terminally ill wife rather than fail at running for pres. |
2007/6/1-5 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:46830 Activity:moderate |
6/1 Why does Peggy Noonan hate America? http://urltea.com/oiv (opinionjournal.com) \_ BECAUSE CONSERVATISM IS ALWAYS GOOD AND IF PEOPLE WHO CALL THEMSELVES CONSERVATIVES FAIL THEN THATS BECAUSE THEY WERE NEVER REALLY CONSERVATIVES IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!11! \_ Nothing more than an attempt by a GOP leader to distance herself from what has become a very unpopular presidency. themselves from what has become a very unpopular presidency. She loved Bush for 6 years, but now his usefulness is over. The GOP is worried that they are going to lose in 2008, so they are going to throw Bush under the bus, hoping that this will improve their chances. They are desperate. http://www.csua.org/u/itp \_ Or maybe this whole amnesty thing really does grate on conservatives? \_ Here's your real answer: We all knew in 2000 that Bush was Conservative Light but given the choices (Death before Gore) we pulled the lever and hoped for the best. Our gut instinct was correct but overall it was still better than Gore would have been so we went with it. In 2004 we had even worse choices: more of the same or Kerry, a man who made Gore look like a great option. Sitting here in 2007, after everything, he's still a better call than Gore or Kerry but that doesn't mean we have to be happy about it. The amnesty bill is of course the final straw but is no different than we would've had from Gore/Kerry. That leaves all those people who supported Bush thinking, "Why'd I bother?" which is why you're heading rumors about the grass roots fund raising is why you're hearing rumors about the grass roots fund raising taking a dive on the (R) side. Next time they run a Light(c) candidate I'll be staying home because, "Why bother?". Sorry to interupt. Everyone please continue with mindless all-caps posts and baseless speculation. |
2007/5/18-19 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:46682 Activity:moderate |
5/17 http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/05/17/candidates.wealth/index.html 7 out of 18 Presidential candidate are millionaires. "All of the candidates are seeking to lead a country where the median net worth is about $93,000, and the median yearly income is about $46,000." Hold on. How the hell do you make $46K but save only $93K net worth? Don't most of us own homes that are at least 3-4X our income? \_ Two words: CREDIT CARD. More words: HOME EQUITY LOAN \_ 1) because the saving's rate hovers around zero, 2) no. \_ "most of us" don't own homes. \_ 68% is "most". \_ 68% is "most". (Correction, 2000 census, 66.2%) \_ You mean there are 200M homes in the USA? \_ There sure is a big helping of the stupid piled on motd today. \_ here in America, we like big helpings. |
2007/5/17-19 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:46674 Activity:nil |
5/17 Welcome to the new congress, as partisan as the old congress. http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0507/4046.html \_ Until we have true political reform, what do you expect? |
2007/5/15-17 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:46649 Activity:nil |
5/15 White House attempted to get Gonzalez to authorize illegal spying program from his hospital bed: http://www.csua.org/u/ipb \_ You mean Ashcroft. |
2007/5/15 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Abortion] UID:46643 Activity:nil |
5/15 Pros and cons of various Republican presidential candidates http://mcsweeneys.net/2007/5/2moe.html |
2007/5/15-17 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:46634 Activity:nil |
5/15 Matt Drudge treats Romney well. The mainstream media follows Drudge like lemmings. Therefore, Romney will win. http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2007/05/14/drudge/index1.html \_ That's quite a leap. Drudge is a head line guy. He gets almost all of his 'news' from other mainstream sites. How does a guy who aggregates other people's news links have any control over anything? He's got a good deal going for himself but he's not a news maker or power broker. \_ False. Drudge maintains relationships with oppo research teams in the various campaigns. He is a primary conduit for leaks from those oppo groups. |
2007/5/12-16 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:46603 Activity:kinda low |
5/11 Wow, this guy Romney has more money than Jesus. Was he born rich? http://www.csua.org/u/ios \- he's involved in a "psothumous conversion kit" pyramid scheme. \- he's involved in a "posthumous conversion kit" pyramid scheme. \_ let's swift boat him! \_ I don't think Romney served in Vietnam, but John "I served in Vietnam" Kerry did his country proud. 3 band aids and then run home to make shit up on his way to office. \_ Yay! Three years later, and the false accusations still run strong. Why don't you tell us about McCain's black baby while you're at it? \_ Did Kerry get a real wound? No. Those medical records are still top secret. Did he run home and make shit up in a Congressional hearing? Yes. So what false accusations? What does McCain have to do with anything? Red herring. \- for the 100th time: "at least kerry was in shooting range" which is more than you can say for bush, who claims to have served, but clearly "limited" the terms of his service. cheney doesnt claim to have "served" but his flip "i had other plans" shows an amazing amount of contempt. wolfowitz, pearle, the war-drum-beating- jouranlists-of-acertain-age ... they also dont claim journalists-of-acertain-age ... they also dont claim to have "served" for the most part, but they also have shown "contempt" for service in various ways, and it is perfectly reasonable to ask them why they didnt serve ... it's not a "private decision" for a public figure, imho. that's just asking for a free pass. everybody gives somebody like dole his due. the attacks on mccain were from the lunatic right. it's unfortuantely not everybody has given people like unfortuante not everybody has given people like mcgovern their due. \_ No, Kerry actually signed his SF 180, something like six months after he lost. When will Bush sign his? |
2007/5/11-15 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:46601 Activity:nil |
5/11 Guiliani snubs a farm family in Iowa because they aren't millionaires. http://www.anamosaje.com/NewsArchive/2007/May/3/news.html#1 |
2007/5/11-15 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:46600 Activity:nil |
5/11 '[A] Vote for Romney is [a] vote for Satan' http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55642 |
2007/5/11-14 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/President] UID:46597 Activity:nil |
5/11 Kiss free speech goodbye. http://csua.org/u/ioe \_ Random overly-sensational not particularly descriptive comment. \_ A congressional caucus got together to threaten the advertisers of a PBS documentary. How is that overly-sensational? \_ It implies that there was some sort of official move on the part of the government to end all free speech. It brings to mind visions of Orwellian dystopias. Instead, what you have is the market being brought to bear on the sponsors of a film, and subsequent pressure from those sponsors on the maker of the film. Burns is not obligated to listen to his sponsors, and his sponsors are not obligated to pay attention to threats from activist groups; that they did so bespeaks of nothing more than a lack of conviction that the film in its original form was worth fighting to the death for. \_ Again, a CONGRESSIONAL CAUCUS threatened the advertisers. \_ You appear to have difficulty evaluating the actual significance of events. |
2007/5/7-9 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/SIG] UID:46537 Activity:nil |
5/6 The liberal case for the individual right to keep and bear arms: http://preview.tinyurl.com/2af36o (nytimes.com) |
2007/5/3-7 [Politics/Domestic/Abortion, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:46524 Activity:moderate |
5/3 Anyone watch the Republican debate? Only Ron Paul sounds like a real conservative (besides the debatable abortion stuff). The rest just toe the standard R line. I never heard of him before. He seems like one of the few who actually stands by clear principles, even if I don't agree with them all. \_ It's interesting that he hasn't gotten anywhere near as much\ attention as Kucinich for being the only other guy running who \_ It's interesting that he hasn't gotten anywhere near as much attention as Kucinich for being the only other guy running who voted against the Iraq war, against the Patriot Act, and against suspension of habeus corpus. I'm actually planning to register as a republican for the first and last time in my life to vote for Paul in the primary, just to send a message to the fucks who run both parties that it's time for both of them to start running pro-freedom candidates. \_ Not terribly interesting. Kucinich = far left. RP = Republican. \_ http://www.guardian.co.uk/uselections08/story/0,,2072835,00.html \_ Does not mention RP. I agree the others didn't look so hot, especially McCain, although Giuliani was bland enough. especially McCain. Brownback, Giuliani, and Huckabee were bland enough. I thought it was funny when one of them stumbled all over himself to pander to the Jews ("by the way a threat to Israel's existence is a threat to the existence of the US!") \_ Because we know "The Jews" are all evil clones who all have the exact same beliefs. But I'm sure it's ok for you to say that because you "have a Jewish friend". \_ What? ok replace it with "Jews" \_ That's not pandering to Jews, that's pandering to Christian righties. \_ I didn't watch it (is it on youtube or something?) but I thought this littlegreenfootballs poll of who won was interesting. http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/lgf-poll.php (You may need to use the pull down menu to get the right poll.) \_ I don't know about youtube but you can watch it at msnbc. (Have to wade through the mess to find the links... I watched it in three pieces.) Interestingly I saw a poll on I think msnbc that had Ron Paul leading. \_ "Gosh, I love America." --Mitt Reagan^H^H^H^H^H^HRomney \_ yep this guy came off like a total douchebag \_ Not as much as Chris Matthews. What a moron. |
2007/4/27-5/2 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:46463 Activity:low |
4/27 "It's not worth moving heaven and earth spending billions of dollars just trying to catch one person." -Romney on Osama Bin Laden http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2007/04/26/politics/p131443D20.DTL&type=politics Buried deep in AP story, media reaction nil. Wonder what would have happened if a Democratic candidate had said this... \_ Romney stands no chance anyways. Only WASP males get elected Kennedy being the only exception, but he cheated to get that \_ Kennedy cheated? Oh, spin us a tale, please. This has gotta be good. \_ This is part of the Neocon lexicon: it is okay that Bush cheated because Kennedy did too. If you ask them to explain, they always say that dead people voted in Illinois. If you point out that Kennedy would have won without Illinois, they are rendered mute. \_ Hardly. Was watergate ok because Nixon would have won without spying on the Dems? The claim that a gross immoral act is unimportant if it does not affect the outcome is so ridiculous, that I can not believe you actually think that. Also neocon does not mean "every person I disagree with." \_ Indeed. PP has his moral reasoning in a knot. The proper point is "what was the evidence?" The Karl Rove "There's voter fraud in them thar hills" line that underlies the US Atty scandal is another of these web-weavings. See also, Foster, Vince, Murder of. |
2007/4/26-29 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:46453 Activity:nil |
4/26 McCain wants to talk to you on Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/johnMcCaindotcom |
2007/4/16-18 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:46314 Activity:nil |
4/16 emarkp, you said below that you could never vote for McCain because of his assault on 1st amendment (campaign finance)." Which part of McCain- Feingold did you consider an assault on 1st amendment rights? --erikred \_ The part about what can be said X days before an election. -emarkp |
2007/4/13-15 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/RepublicanMedia] UID:46292 Activity:nil |
4/13 Republican debate will air on MSNBC. Dems are still pussies and won't appear on Fox News. http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0407/3497.html \_ Your premise in the comparison is the MSNBC is propagandistic for the Ds as Fox is for the Rs. Your premise is wrong. \_ What a moron. Having a D debate on Fox would be an open forum for liberal thought. If you think FN is propaganda for the right, why would they have a D debate? And wouldn't having the D debate there fight the propaganda. No, the reality is the Ds are pussies and if they win the presidency in 2008, they'll do everything possible to make it illegal to be conservative. \_ Okay, so, you're saying you think the Democrats are not going to have any debates, and then calling them pussies because they won't debate? Or are you calling them pussies for not participating in a Fox News sponsored debate? If they participated in an MSNBC sponsored debate, would they no longer be pussies in your eyes? Your "illegal to be conservative" crack makes it clear, though, that you are utterly useless to converse with. \_ Do Not Feed The Trolls |
2007/4/13-15 [Politics/Domestic/HateGroups, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:46290 Activity:high |
4/13 Ha ha ha. Last year, an Obama event was started by a group called "Nappy Roots" http://www.intheagora.com/archives/2007/04/nappy_roots.html \_ and of course, there's no difference between a black person saying "nappy roots" and a white person saying "nappy-headed hos". -tom \_ You got that right. There isn't. \_ Okay let's take the racial element out of it. Is there a difference between you calling yourself an idiot and me calling you an idiot? Idiot. \_ Old Man Imus knew what he was doing, it's just this time the media manipulators got pissed off and got smacked down hard. I can't believe he got away with telling 60 Minutes he hired a guy just to make nigger jokes. Anyway who cares, Imus will pop up somewhere else. \_ Gotta agree with tom. Old white dude using "nappy headed hos" is different than black people calling each other nappy headed hos. \_ I think the addition of the "hos" part is what makes it derogatory. -ausman \_ Which reminds me of Rush Hour where Jackie Chan saw Chris Rock saying "Whatsup n*gger" and then mimic after him, and got very \_ Are "nappy headed" and "hos" terms associated with African-Americans, or is it the team's racial composition versus the commentator's whiteness that raises the racism question? \_ "nappy headed" is a racially charged phrase. When combined with "ho", it adds a racial charge to an misogynistic epithet. Unrelatedly, are you stupid? \_ Which reminds me of Rush Hour where Jackie Chan saw Chris Tucker saying "Whassup, my n*gga?" and then mimiced him, and got very different reaction from people in the bar. different reaction from the bartender. \_ I am quite impressed with the quality of the discussion on this blog. |
2007/4/12-15 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:46282 Activity:nil 66%like:46265 |
4/11 BYU students protest...Cheney? http://urltea.com/57v (nytimes.com) \_ You know you may have gone too far when even the people you can count on want nothing to do with you. |
2007/4/12-15 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:46271 Activity:nil |
4/12 Do you want to play dirty politics? Do you want to waste McCain and Romney's money? Go to the link below and click on their ads. Forward this message to all of your friends now! http://www.google.com/search?q=mccain http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=mccain \_ This post makes me remember how much adblocker r0x0rz \_ So you're a Giuliani man? \_ Gosh, how about we just let each candidate from whatever party do their best to get their message out and let the voters decide who should be President? Do you slice car tires of get out the vote vans, too? \_ That's the job for the Critical Mass folks. \_ Yeah, but the people in the vans looked at them a little funny, so they deserved it. \_ No, they drove a VAN so they deserved it. \_ They drove a van INTO a bicyclist, you keep forgetting that part. \_ Those five girls giggled and asked what those tiny bulges in the front of those cyclists' tight pants were, so they deserved it. \_ No they didn't. |
2007/4/11-12 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:46265 Activity:nil 66%like:46282 |
4/11 BYU students protest...Cheney? http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/11/us/11byu.html?_r=2&oref=slogin&oref=slogin \_ You know you may have gone too far when even the people you can count on want nothing to do with you. |
2007/3/29-4/2 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:46143 Activity:nil |
3/29 John Dean on executive privilege and the "unitary executive" theory: http://writ.news.findlaw.com/dean/20070323.html |
2007/3/28-31 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:46129 Activity:nil |
3/28 "Nonpartisan" General Services Administration briefed by Rove aide on "GOP house targets" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VePqzIrR-ao \_ Grilled by "partisan" house member. \_ Yes, young grasshopper. The "partisan" legislature has oversight responsibilities over the executive branch and its agencies, whether partisan or not. Though with what this WH has done with its agencies from the EPA to NASA to SSA to GSA to the fucking DoJ, it's hard to say if there are ANY non-partisan agencies left in the Executive. \_ You may wish to review the Hatch Act: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hatch_Act_of_1939 \_ Poor Ms. Doan, she had no idea she wasn't supposed to use GSA to help the GOP win specific congressional seats. She founded the company providing 80% of the technology that protects the U.S. / Mexico border from illegal immigrants, so that's a pass by my book! |
2007/3/21-26 [Reference/Law/Court, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:46039 Activity:nil |
3/21 One of the fired US Attorney's tells his side of the story: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/21/opinion/21iglesias.html |
2007/3/15-20 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:45989 Activity:nil |
3/15 Biden sounds unhappy. He should go smoke some weed, chill, have a bbq, it's nice weather now, plus he sounds unsupportive of the troops. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ehzEgU-oVI \_ Good ole's xerox.. keepin it real. |
2007/3/15 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/President] UID:45980 Activity:high 88%like:45986 |
3/15 I repeat, Dems are pussies http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/emanuel-tells-freshmen-to-avoid-stephen-colbert-2007-03-14.html \_ You are right, they should start a war to prove how manly they are. \_ No, I think debating would be fine. |
2007/3/8 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:45907 Activity:nil |
3/8 Sorry to burst the bubble but the Christian belt and undecided voters of 2008 will easily and happily ignore your favorite Dem candidate. In the view of 53% of the Americans, H Clinton is a very unChristian woman who should have been a housewife, Edwards looks too young and inexperienced and more importantly Edwards is a FAGGOT, and Obama has a very unChristian skin tone. Romney may be a Mormon but at least he is white, religious, and righteous. Romney wins 2008. |
2007/3/5-7 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:45873 Activity:high |
3/4 Dem polls: Rep polls: H Clinton: 20% Romney: 20% Edwards: 15% Guiliani: 14% Obama: 11% Gore (not runnig): 10% My prediction for 2008: Romney will win because he's not a woman and not black. In addition he's pro-life. -Southern Voter \_ My prediction: Edwards will beat Guiliani after wining most of The South. -SF Voter \_ Mr.Let's_Make_C-sections_Common? Have you even seen his video of him applying make-up on himself? \_ Yes, most Americans are pro-choice. Do you honestly think that a Yankee is going to sweep the South, especially vs. a genuine Good Ole' Boy? If the Dumbocrats nominate Hillary, Romney could win, granted. \_ "Yeeehup, thair aint no wayz no howz weze gunna votes fer enywun butt ar owns!" So what you're saying is you think a majority of voting Southerners are stupid hicks who won't vote for anyone who isn't also a "Good Ole' Boy". Why do you think that? \_ Are you "Southern Voter"? Have you actually lived in The South? I have. I certainly do not believe that a majority of Southerners are hicks. I think that enough swing voters (about 5% in most states) are strongly enough biased against Yankees that this will change a close race. Why do you believe otherwise, other than your wish that your candidate would be elected? \_ See? Doesn't that feel better providing some substance to back your statements? And none of these people are "my candidate". It is ridiculous that we're even talking about the elections this early. \_ What happened to your troll? Delete it? \_ No, not rediculous at all. The CA primaries are \_ No, not ridiculous at all. The CA primaries are in Feb, so the parties will have already made their choices in less than a year. \_ A year? Ridiculous. It shouldn't take a year of endless Obama vs. Hillary vs. Rudy vs. McCain vs. Whoever to pick primary candidates. Especially this sort of high intensity daily campaign noise we're getting today. I'm tuning out until something more interesting happens than "Hillary Adopts Southern Accent! Obama Counters With Own Accent! Rudy Sticks To NY Accent! McCain Finds New Accent Coach!" This is all bullshit and has nothing to do with anything important. Or shouldn't, anyway. \_ Whether it "should" or not, I don't really have a strong opinion one way or another. The fact is, if you want to have some kind of influence over the nomination process, you need to get started on it now. If you don't care who the next President of the United States is, why bother even talking about in the motd? \_ So because I think it's too early and the current "campaigns" are all bullshit you think I don't care about who the next President is? I care a lot. That is why I think the current reporting and noise is just that, noise. There is no substance to anything currently going on. \_ You are wrong about that. Last week I was in a smallish room full of Bay Area Democratic fund raisers and we listened to Senator Edwards present his case as to why we should support him. Next week we listen to Senator Obama and the week after that Senator Clinton. In early April we will caucus and give an endorsement and at that point probably most or all of us will give the legal maximum donation to their chosen candidate. Multiply this by 50 times and you have a big chunk of the party fundraising already completed by mid-April. Anyone that hasn't been able to raise $10M by May will be finished and will have to drop out. That is just how the system works. I imagine something similar is going on in the Republican Party. If you are just talking about how your personal vote is going to go, fine, but all the campaigns are trying to grab money, organizational skills and experienced campaigners to their side right now and the ones that are the most successful will have the inside track when the "real" campaign starts. \- just to add on: a lot of pols emphasize the role of early money e.g. EMILY's list stands for: Early Money Is Like Yeast etc. \_ Romney will not win. He's Mormon. Except for Kennedy, no non-WASP has ever won. \_ That's what they said about Kennedy. Until he won. "No Catholic has ever been elected President. The voters just aren't ready for a Catholic President." So other than being Mormon, which is not important, why couldn't Romney win? \_ Because he's on record up until a couple of years ago as being pro-gay, pro-choice, etc. "The base" won't go for it. \_ "The base" would eat rusty nails before they watched Hillary get elected and stayed home on voting day. \_ I'm saying Romney will implode in the primaries. \_ You think he'll "AAARRRR!!!" on camera or rape a goat during a taped interview or what? \_ My prediction: the primaries and then the election are so insanely far away that none of this means anything. Any of these people could easily implode in an "AAAAARRRRRR!!!!" moment or just have a series of bad days they never recover from or do a really horrible interview or just the world around us will change in such a way that their current speechifying will be ridiculously wrong for the future when we are voting but will be rubbed in their face. Anything can happen and often does. \_ We are BUSHCO. Cancel your election and surrender your votes. Resistence is Futile. -dcheney |
2007/3/4-7 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:45869 Activity:moderate |
3/4 60 Minutes: PSB > TOM (Medicare > Defense) http://tinyurl.com/yrtors \_ Synopsis: Clinton=surplus, Bush=deficit, Republican=bad. We're fucked thanks to fiscal irresponsibility. \_ A surplus co-oping Republican bills. Who started the first surplus? Are you one of those "Politics began with Clinton newbies who's been around only the last 14 years" to answer that? \_ Too bad Bush didn't come up with the same brilliant strategy of co-opting Republican bills! -tom Political slant: CBS, anti-Republican Fact check: this is a political smear. \- The earlier motd discussion was not very partisan or ideological. It was about 3 things: \- The earlier motd discussion was about 3 things: (0. distinguish between liabilities and payments) 1. medicare liability >> SS liability 2. non-discretionary entitlements >> defense liability 3. holub ought not be dismissing other people's writings when unaware of either the details of the accounting used or the $numbers involved. While this backs up my numbers, there was plenty of evidence provided used or the $numbers involved. While this backs up some of my numbers, there was plenty of evidence provided earlier [particlarly the KC Fed study]. BTW, I thought the tuition analogy was pretty good. The Comptroller General is a Clinton appointee, but is hardly a communist or a partisan hack. \- The earlier motd discussion was largely about a single statistic, the NPV value of medicare liability >> SS liability >> long range defense costs. (we didnt discuss debt service ... that highly depends on future fiscal policy rather than just actuarial numbers) It wasnt so much a partisan discussion or one very involved with interpretation. The CBO fellow, as well as the pointers I left present plenty of evidence for this. Holub shouldnt be dissing other people for being ignorant of facts when he's wrong about them. BTW, the Comptroller General is a Clinton appointee, but is hardly a communist or a partisan hack. BTW, I thought te tuition analogy was pretty good. \_ I think there are a number of flawed assumptions here, a major one being that our health care system could be completely different even by 2011, let alone by 2040. Another is to describe military spending as discretionary and Medicare as long-term liability; military spending has alwyas grown faster than federal health care spending, and fundamentally represents a liability due to current military posture. -tom \_ Can you stop saying meaningless things like: "military spending has alwyas grown faster than federal health care spending". \_ How is it meaningless? It's verifiably true. What is meaningless is the distinction between Medicare as a liability and the military as discretionary spending. We can choose to change Medicare benefits at any time, despite the prescription drug bill and other "promises." And while we theoretically could decide to stop spending gobs of money on the military, there's no evidence that we will. -tom \_ By 2011, no, but 2040 is very far away. Our current system is very much not like it was 34 years ago. In fact, I'd say it's completely different. \- forget 34 yrs. do you know how much the BUSHCO prescription medicine benefit is considered to have have added to liabilities. all the reasonable people doing projections consder maybe 4-5 optimistic to pessimistic projections. but some of the basic facts are not in dispute in any scenario short of "the big asteroid vaporizes half the country". BTW, it is fairly "standard" to use 75yrs as the "infinite horizon" projection number. i dont know why, but it is. it's probably a case of "you have to agree to something for consistency". i assume somebody has done the sensitivity analysis around that number. --psb [By "SA" i mean: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sensitivity_analysis] |
2007/2/22-26 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:45798 Activity:nil |
2/22 Carville to Hollywood: Open your wallet and shut your mouth. http://csua.org/u/i3i |
2007/2/13 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/President/Reagan] UID:45732 Activity:nil |
2/13 Romney(R) has the charisma of Ronald Reagan. Romney is going to kick everyone's ass, including the libural devisive woman candidate and the negro who is one letter away from having Osama's name. http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/02/13/romney.announce/index.html \_ Barack Obama == Black Osama? Anyway, I want a black president but I want Colen Powell. |
2007/2/5-11 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/California/Arnold] UID:45664 Activity:moderate |
2/5 http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/02/05/edwards.2008.ap/index.html "Edwards: Raise taxes to provide universal health care" Edwards will lose. Most Americans hate immigrants and social programs and thus don't want universal anything. It's the era of corporations and privitazition baby! \_ 60-70% polled say universal helth care is the fed's responsibility: \_ Christ this discussion is fucking stupid. -dans \_ 60-70% polled say health coverage is the fed's responsibility: http://pollingreport.com/health3.htm 62% want universal health insurance: http://abcnews.go.com/sections/living/US/healthcare031020_poll.html \_ Move to Canada. \_ No I intend to stay and fight. Where are you going to run to after you lose? \_ Sure, I want someone else to pay my bills, too, but I'm not willing to pay the taxes for it. I'll pay more to get less. Any cash that goes through government hands before turning into a service that you could otherwise buy yourself is always going to cost more and yield less. Government, by its very nature, is inefficient and has costs. No one really believes Edwards "tax the rich" thing. That sort of thing always turns into a universal tax. AMT is the perfect example of sticking it to the rich but nailing the middle class (as always). \_ And who has been in the position to "fix" the AMT for the past 12 years, and did nothing? You spew a lot of talking points, but you're not saying anything. \_ AMT was created decades ago. During the absolute iron fisted rule of both parties during that time and during the creation process itself, no one thought to consider that the numbers didn't scale with inflation. Or didn't care. The "GOP is evuuuul!" meme is tired. Let it rest. If you had something to say on the topic, please join in, but don't waste precious bits with partisan nonsense. Neither party will do jack shit for the middle classes that are already starting to get nailed by this, starting in more expensive states like CA. --gpp \_ This is funny. The pp criticized "government", not a party. "Government" has been in charge for the last 12 yrs. \_ This is a bullshit point. As is "Government == inefficient". And it's a point formed and fed by one party in particular. Ergo my reply. "Government is incompetent, and by God, we're going to prove it." \_ Yes, gov't == inefficient and incompetent is true in general, simply because there's no driving force to fix those problems. See, I can counter your assertion with mine! \_ Yes, Enron did a much better job of supplying California with power than the regulated utilities and the City of Los Angeles. \_ Ah, but it was because of the government's \_ But it was because of the government's handling of energy contracts that Enron was able to screw us. \_ On average, we pay 2x as much for poorer health care than in the socialized medicine countries. The elite can get very good care, but most of the rest of us are screwed. Further, efficiencies will accrue. Preventative care is a lot cheaper. Prescribing diet change, quitting smoking, and exercise costs less than triple bypass surgery. \_ You're insane. Efficiencies do not _ever_ accrue in government services. You can prescribe all you want, no one is going to do it and then you'll need triple by pass surgery. That surgery will be denied by some government flunky because you didn't excercise like the nice government doctor told you so you are not allowed the surgery and die horribly. Good call. \_ Look it's the "you are insane" guy! Welcome back to the guy who thinks that anyone who disagrees with him is literally crazy! \_ Ad hominem. Try again if you like. \_ The "you are insane" guy is complaining about ad hominem attacks? Or is that intended to be a compliment??? \_ If you skip the first two words you're obsessing over and try to respond to the points made you'd be on firmer ground. \_ If you'd skip the ad hominem attacks, you'd have a better chance of convincing people that you had a reasonable point worth thinking about. \_ Are you saying that a road system built by corporations would be more efficient? How about a national defense? Those are two areas where Gov't is more efficient at serving the people. There's a lot of inequity and waste \_ Health care is not a public service and does not need to be. It worked just fine before HMO's were allowed to monopolise and destroy the system so the answer is to create an even bigger monopoly but at the federal government level. Oh great, yeah that will be wonderful. A service that requires skill and personal service being provided by government robots. That you can even consider compare the road system to personal health care says volumes. There are zero similiarities. The closest gov't provided personal service I can think of to health care is housing. Oh yeah, The Projects. Section 8 housing has been so uplifting for so many. in the current health system due to insurance overhead. Having Gov't as single-payer (with revenue taxed out of us) would eliminate the insurance nightmare. It would *also* allow for much more safely regulated hospitals. The NTSB \_ So you think your hospitals are unregulated? What? has made commercial aviation the safest mode of travel. You're quite likely to die in hospitals due to medical fuckups which are endemic to the healthcare system, and with gov't regulation could be fixed across the whole system, as the NTSB has done for commercial aviation. \_ Because healing a sick person\ is just like flying an airplane or running an airport. Uhm, yeah. \_ Because healing a sick person is just like flying an airplane or running an airport. Uhm, yeah. \_ Does no one here understand the distinction between "health care" and "paying for health care"? The answer becomes increasingly clear.. \_ Who ever has the bucks has the power. You are not going to get quality health care from Doctor A when Government or HMO Flunky B says you don't need that procedure. Once you figure that out you'll see why so many scream about government healthcare. Whoever has the bucks has the power and makes the decisions. In a government/hmo system that isn't you or your doctor. \_ Actually, you're right about the bucks. Nobody can pay their own medical bills, So we buy health insurance, and the insurance company pays the bills. So the insurance company has the power. Their interest is profit, so they make it hard for doctors to collect. This makes it expensive for doctors to collect. Which gets passed onto us--to the point where many of us can't afford health insurance anymore. However, hospitals cannot just refuse someone care because they're poor. (By law.) So doctors have to increase the prices on those of us who do have insurance. This situation is spiralling out of control, and is wasteful. We *could* simply not offer any medical care at all to the poor (poor meaning "not rich", so fuck the middle class as well as the true poor.) *Better* is for prices on those of us who do have insurance. This situation is spiralling out of control, and is wasteful. We *could* simply not offer any medical care at all to the poor (poor meaning "not rich", so fuck the middle class as well as the true poor.) *Better* is for the government to get involved, kick out the insurance companies, reduce the overall cost of health care, and make the poor pay for health care again via taxation. And health care *better* be a public service, because Joe Contageous with intractable TB who isn't being treated because he's poor is going to give it to *you*. Right now hospital A kills people with the same damn fuckups that hospitals C, D, E, F, G, H....-->Z have \_ Yes, the federal government is the driving force for innovation in this country. Not even God can save us if that ever becomes true. killed people with because they refuse (and can refuse) to learn best-practices learned elsewhere the hard way, by people dying. \_ I used to believe that about roads and military, but I don't any longer. Do you know how many private security contractors are in Iraq? Nearly 50,000. I'm fairly confident that if the government employed a few companies to perform military functions, it would be cheaper and more efficient. And the gov't might actually attempt to obey the constitution as well (since it wouldn't have the biggest guns). \_ This is, quite possibly, the most uninformed post evah. \_ If you have something to say, say it. All you've done is stick your tongue out and go, "NYAH! YOU ARE A DUM POOPYHEAD!" \_ Because that's all you deserve. Never argue with fools. They'll pull you down to their level and beat you with experience. \_ You still said nothing. Here's the best response you can get from what you've said, "NYAH! YOU ARE A DUM POOPYHED TOO!" Now we're at the same level of discourse at least. Or the adult version, "I'm soooo smart and you are soooo dumb I can't even begin to explain it!" which is known as, "I have no clue what I'm talking about but I'm going to tell you you're an idiot for not thinking like me, anyway". \_ Iraq has been by far the most expensive war the US has ever fought (yes accounting for inflation). Those 50,000 private security contractors have a lot to do it costing so damn much. \_ Where's your data for this? How much are they costing compared to US uniformed troops in comparable positions? \_ I'm curious as to where your "Nearly 50k" number came from. As the pentagon has claimed they don't have any numbers on contractors in Iraq, they may be interested in your powers of divination. As for the cost overruns, Henry Waxman just started his hearings. After almost 4 years of R delay, he may just be able to get you an answer on that. \_ Well, you are wrong and he is wrong, but just read this and see: http://www.csua.org/u/i08 (Washington Post) \_ An external organization giving an estimate does not negate my claim that the pentagon has said they don't know how many contractors are in iraq. \_ The GAO giving an estimate does not negate my claim that the pentagon has said they don't know how many contractors are in iraq. \_ That wasn't the question. \_ The question was "Do you know how many private security contractors are in Iraq?" The answer is "By necessity, no." \_ What is wrong with the GAO estimate? Why does it matter if the Pentagon knows or not when we're discussing if random motd poster whos or not from another source? Ah, I see. P has blessed the results of the external survey. the external survey. So you're taking them as the Pentagon claim. So.. the auditiors have to tell the P just how many contracts they've given out... You don't see a problem here? \_ I see no problem with working with the best numbers available, instead of throwing up my hands and claiming that since I can't get perfect information, there is no point in even trying to understand the situation. \_ It doesn't concern you that the P is spending $Bs on contracts, and doesn't know where it's going? \_ You're comfortable with the idea of corporations having bigger guns than the government? Seriously? Our government may be incompetent and wasteful, but corporations are psychopaths. \_ Yes, I'm comfortable with that. Corporations are no more than aggregates of people, with a corporate aim. Sounds like the gov't to me. Since the gov't doesn't care what the voters think, how precisely is that different? \_ The main difference between corporations and the government is that corporations compete against each other. The government, through legislation, does not have to compete with industry and can control markets. The government is a form of dictatorship and monopoly rolled into one. Sometimes it's a benevolent dictatorship, but it's still a dictatorship. Smaller government is better. \_ Mega corps that have legal rights as people is just as bad as having an over bearing uncarin gigantic federal system. \_ Actually, technically, corporations are sociopaths, but otherwise I agree with you. What the person above me doesn't understand is that corps are different from government due to profit motive. If that can make a buck by killing you horribly, the corp won't hesitate a second. To get the government to kill someone means making a bunch of slack government employees fill out paperwork, attend meeting, record metrics, and general interfere with other things they'd rather be doing. \_ Ha ha! Talking with people who have lived in countries with socialized medicine has made it clear you're full of crap. Do you really want hospitals to turn into the DMV? \_ Actually this was from news stories in the US. \_ Which news stories? \_ Six years of living with socialized medicine in Japan made it clear to me that hospitals can be efficient, competent, and cheap. Where's your personal experience to the contrary? \_ Canada. \_ How long were you there, and what did they screw up? \_ A friend, and he needed an MRI and found out the waiting list was 18 months long--people dying before they could get an MRI, etc. \_ Anecdotal hearsay evidence isn't very strong. \_ http://www.ncpa.org/pub/ba/ba369 http://www.cato.org/dailys/9-23-96.html http://www.capmag.com/article.asp?id=855 etc. etc. etc. |
2007/2/5-7 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:45663 Activity:nil |
2/5 Hillary: All your profits are belong to us! http://csua.org/u/hzu |
2007/2/3-6 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:45647 Activity:nil |
2/3 Omaba and Biden hate Osama Bin Laden. \_ Who's Omaba? You mean Obama? |
2007/1/24-28 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:45578 Activity:nil |
1/24 Good news: Kerry won't run: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16790110 |
2006/12/28-30 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:45506 Activity:moderate |
12/28 John Edwards runs again for the presidency. Let's see, the Dems could pick a liberal hippy that has 0% of getting any vote in the south, an outspoken female bitch that has no chance of getting elected, and a black man whos last name is one letter away from being Osama. Dems in 2008... what a joke. \_ "Dam negro's name is Obama. That ryhmes with Osama, and his middle name is Hussein. Dam negro is a terrorist in disguise, let's hang him boys!" -average white Southerner \_ And, hey, his middle name is Hussein! Think about it, people.. Think about it. \_ It is unclear to me that people who would not vote for Obama because he is black/his name sounds muslim would vote for any other Democractic candidate anyway. \_ A lot of people are not ready for a black/female president who might still vote Democrat. It doesn't mean they hate blacks/women. \_ Wait, aren't you the same guy that said Dems had no chance in 2006? \_ I must've missed the 2006 Presidential election. \_ Wow, aren't we shallow! "hippy" "bitch" and "black man almost named 'Osama'". You might be right on all points, but let me ask you this: would any of them be a better president than Bush? \_ whether or not they would be a better president is immaterial. The quesion is which is more likely to get elected. \_ I already conceded you might be right about their inelectability, given this country's bigotry and sexism. Now, setting aside the question of electability, which would be the better president? \_ I'm not the op but here is my answer which probably resonates with many readers out there: In theory, ANY three candidate will do better than GWB. IMHO GWB is not *my* president, he is the president of the blind masses who voted for him and who are still supporting him. And stop calling him "The president" as the fucktard deserves as much respect as Nixon. In reality though none of the three other candidates will win. America is made up blind mass who do not understand or care about policies. To them, as long as its leader is strong, unwaivering, and/or good looking or simply with whom they can relate to personally, then that is the leader they will elect. This is the exact reason why Bush and Reagan won despite the fact that they're both fucktards. The blind mass does not want smart and nerdy Kerry + Al Bore. Instead the blind mass want fantasies where the leader is as strong and as likeable as Clint Eastwood, and want to be told that their world has become better because of them. If you Dems do not understand this, you Dems will never win the hearts of the blind mass. -former Dem \_ Bitter, much? \_ Better for...? The American people? The world? The western world? At what? Domestic policy? Foreign? Least corrupt (they're all corrupt)? Strengthing freedoms at home? Abroad? Better economic policy? Better? \_ It doesn't matter if my dog would be a better president than Bush. Bush isn't running in 08. They don't have to beat Bush in an election. \_ The spectre of Bush will haunt the Republican Party for a while. Who will the GOP nominate? Rice? Tancredo? Gingrich? Are any of these people electable? \_ Guiliani has the charm of Reagan. \_ That's a different issue and I disagree with your opinion. Voters tend to fall into two categories: the party line types who vote for the R/D who are unlikely to either stay home or vote non-R/D no matter what, and the more moderate center who vote for the candidate they like in a personal way. Bush is nothing but history for the 08 ballot box. Rice is no more electable than Hillary. Neither has engaged in a real campaign or a real debate. Gingrich would have the support of a huge number of people but has been on the side lines (mostly) for a long time. His 'crimes' were that he left his wife and married another woman to whom he is still married. Tancredo? No. Rudy? Has more political experience than a Hillary but like Obama, Hillary, and McCain is just a media hyped creation with limited support. My total guess based on absolutely nothing (motd style) is that we'll see some currently unknown dark horse come from the R side to win the R nomination while one of the D's media hyped creatures emerges with the D nomination but is badly battered by the nomination process. I think this will be a hard fought election season the likes of which the country has never seen. \_ How many people do you think went into the "non-R" camp over the last 2 years? \_ From the core "always vote R"? None. That's the point. From the center, at current, any number you'd like to name. But "at current" is not important for the 08 election. What people think and feel about the names on the ballot after the campaign and a few debates is what matters, not right now. I make no prediction about who or even which party will actually win the 08 election. It is far far far far (I feel like I'm writing a Star Wars opener) far far too early for that right now. \_ Bush did horribly on the debate yet he won. Maybe you care about debates. Most Americans do not. \_ I disagree. The hype at the time was what a fantastic uber debater Gore was and how smart he was and how he was going to mop the floor with W. He didn't live up to the hype so he (Gore) didn't get what he should have from it. If debates were unimportant to most Americans then it wouldn't have been watched by a zillion people and talked about everywhere the next day. |
2006/12/25-26 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Foreign] UID:45493 Activity:high |
12/25 R.I.P. James Brown \_ http://www.deadoraliveinfo.com/dead.nsf/bnames-nf/Brown+James http://www.corporatemofo.com/stories/021215godfather.htm \_ He was already dead in 1991 (his music style, that is) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cr_6q9DcSiM \_ "Brown was one of the first artists inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, along with Elvis Presley, Chuck Berry and other founding fathers." "Disco is James Brown, hip-hop is James Brown, rap is James Brown;" http://music.yahoo.com/read/news/12176089 |
2006/12/18-19 [Politics/Domestic/911, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:45464 Activity:nil |
11/16 Holy Crap! http://www.fmft.net/archives/BBC_NEWS.htm 42 midgets ring fight a lion, and lose. \_ http://www.snopes.com/humor/iftrue/lionmidget.asp |
2006/11/11-12 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:45328 Activity:kinda low |
11/11 FL voter mails in absentee ballot w/ the "inverted jenny" stamp (worth about $3 million): http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=1667782006&format=print \_ No, a block of four such stamps is worth $3M. The person who mailed the absentee ballot used only one, which according to the article is worth $500K. It's still a buttload of money to have missed out on, of course. \_ This must have been intentional. \_ Sorry I misread the article, corrected. |
2006/11/11-12 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:45326 Activity:moderate |
11/11 Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry-- 16 percent would vote for him in 2008, 24 percent maybe, and 55 will not vote for him, period. And therein lies some good news for President Bush as he faces the final two years of his Presidency. At least he's not John Kerry. Bahahahahahahahahaha http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15667442/site/newsweek/page/3 \_ ELECTION IS OVER. This thread will be deleted in an hour. Sorry. \_ Loser says what? \_ Hmm, yes, elevating political discourse. Once an election has been ended no one is allowed to discuss it if 'their side' lost. ended no one is allowed to discuss it if 'their side' lost. Ok, whatever. \_ Enjoy your 31% approval rating: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15667442/site/newsweek \_ I don't have an approval rating and whatever either party's approval rating is at has nothing to do with the level of political discourse or having the right to express political opinions. \_ Loser says what? \_ Exactly. Thanks for reinforceing my point. \_ It's so enjoyable to have the shoe on the other foot. |
2006/11/10-11 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:45318 Activity:moderate |
11/9 http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15643639/site/newsweek/page/3 "Polls going into the election showed a dramatic shift to the Democrats, but the actual numbers were less dramatic... The national generic polls always exaggerate the Democratic advantage... You generally get an over representation of Democrats in the polls. If you averaged the pre-election polls, there was a 12-point Democratic advantage." Just as I said. Liberals are very vocal but they're too lazy to vote whereas Republicans don't express their views but tend to be loyal hardcore voters. \_ Loser say what? \_ No, I think it's a case of who is around to answer the phone at the times they call and who would actually bother to do so. I don't think either party's voters are "lazy" about voting. You might want to note that a number of conservative ballot measures around the country passed (or liberal ones failed) in a lot of the same places that voted out incumbent Republicans in favor of an unknown Democrat. Conservatives showed up, they just didn't vote for the faux-conservative Republican candidates. |
2006/11/9-11 [Politics/Domestic/911, Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:45309 Activity:high |
11/9 http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/11/09/election.main/index.html Pelosi said she'll push for implementing all 9/11 Commission recommendations on national security, raising the minimum wage to $7.25, eliminating corporate subsidies for oil companies, allowing the government to negotiate Medicare drug prices, imposing new restrictions on lobbyists, cutting interest rates on college loans and supporting embryonic stem-cell research. EVIL LIBERAL AGENDAS! -Republican \_ I think she also said cutting budgets and not raising taxes, like she's a Republican. \_ Raising the minimum wage is not a tax increaese? \_ Its raising the cost of business... which is not a tax. \_ budget increase, you mean \_ Letting the current tax cut expire is a tax increase. \_ http://www.rightwasright.com \_ I'm down with 6 and 18. And before you think I'm joking about 6, think about how that would work out (note, I didn't say we'd _support_ Hussein, just _reinstate_ him) \_ You realize that would mean immediate full-scale civil war, right? \_ I doubt he cares. \_ Remember, no matter what the gov't says, the minimum wage is always zero. \_ Huh? \_ If you lay someone off, they're earning 0 -!pp \_ So raising minimum wage leads to layoffs... uh huh... do some research young grasshopper. \_ I didn't say i agreed with "Remember..." guy, I was just explaining what "zero" meant. \_ Uh, if you lay them off, they're not working for you, so you're not giving them a wage of zero. You either don't give them a wage, or give them wage > minimum. Unless it's one of those special cases or you're being illegal. \_ no, then we all give them a wage in state funds and services in exchange for nothing while they look for another job. \_ ok but then the wage ain't zero? \_ It's not zero. Wage is the amount of money they get in return when they work. In this case they are not working, so the wage quantity doesn't exist. \_ What about the abortion squads to gather new stem cells and control overpopulation? This is a golden opportunity. \_ Raising the minimum wage is a pretty blunt instrument, and I think it rarely has the result it's implementers intend. \_ Raising the minimum is inflationary. The real reason for doing so has nothing to do with working poor. It has to do with the fact that most union worker rates are based on a multiple of the minimum wage so by increasing the minimum by some percent she just gave an automatic wage increase to most union workers by that amount. It's just a pay off to the unions in exchange for supporting the party that the rest of us all pay for. <s> I'm glad to see we're still doing business as usual. I was somewhat concerned something might change. </sarcasm>. \_ what are other alternatives you are proposing? Here is something I don't understand. If people so dispise minimum wage, why there is no talk about "ABOLISHING* it? Why don't we at the same time abolish the minimum *AGE* too? Let the free market decide what is the minimum wage and minimum AGE. \- because "people" dont despise the minimum wage. in fact it's not even close. it's quite popular in nationalwide polling. google for the obvious like "poll, support minimum wage" etc. we can reasonably argue about various parts of the regulatory state but only nutjobs want to go back to laissez faire red in tooth and claw [disallow regulation of hours, health and safety etc, see lochner etc.]. |
2006/11/9-10 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/President/Reagan] UID:45300 Activity:kinda low 80%like:45298 66%like:45296 |
11/9 Allen to concede this afternoon: http://tinyurl.com/y25erv (washingtonpost.com) \_ No recount? \_ What for? 7k is too big a margin to bother. Although if it was 120k and in Ohio then a number of people would be screaming fraud and recount and disenfranchisement. At least Kerry had the balls to do the right thing and let it go. So does Allen. \_ Allen let it go because previous recounts have in VA have not yielded enough of a difference to allow for a conceivable victory. Also, there's every indication that he'll run again, and if he does, he won't want to be remembered as the loser of a recount. \_ If it was a smaller number I'm sure he would've fought it but 7k is just silly in such a small state. Even in CA that would be a tough number to overcome. |
2006/11/9-10 [Politics/Domestic/Gay, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:45297 Activity:nil |
11/9 Burns concedes. I think that's it. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061109/ap_on_el_se/montana_senate \_ No recount? \_ Why would there be? \_ Montana law says it has to be less that 0.25% for a free recount and less than 0.5% for any recount (the loser has to pay, he gets his money back if the recount shows he won.) Over 0.5%, no recounts (I don't know what happens if fraud can be shown). Burns lost by over half a percent. \_ Interesting. So if X appears losing to Y by 0.3%, and X wants a recount while Y doesn't, and then Y ends up losing, does Y have to pay? recount while Y doesn't, and then Y ends up losing, does that mean Y is now responsible for the cost even though (s)he didn't ask for a recount and (s)he didn't cheat? If so, does that mean one shouldn't enter the election unless one can afford a potential recount? \_ No, if X wins the state pays. |
2006/11/9 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:45296 Activity:nil 66%like:45300 |
11/9 Allen to concede this afternoon: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/11/09/AR2006110900775.html |
2006/11/8-10 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic] UID:45265 Activity:nil |
11/8 As it turns out, despite more spending for Republican campaigns, the Democrats won. Elections do not always follow money. \_ err. they did kept the Senate. and only Senate can impeach the president, no? \_ Well, unless 'kept' means 'lost' in this context..... \_ I guess kept is a way of saying "didn't keep"? \_ No, the house can impeach the POTUS. \_ More correctly, the house impeaches, the senate convicts. While presidents have been impeached by the house, none has been convicted by the senate. \_ Simple majority in the House to impeach; 2/3 majority in the Senate to convict. \_ This is a new meaning of the word "kept" that I'm not familiar with. Perhaps you could enlighten us? |
2006/11/8 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:45253 Activity:nil |
11/8 Santorum announces will run for President in 2008. \_ How better to bounce back from a large margin defeat? \_ That should provide some nice comedy until the New Hampshire primary and Iowa caucus. \_ You have been trolled. |
2006/11/7-8 [Politics/Domestic/Gay, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:45221 Activity:nil |
11/7 Has anybody heard the rumor about the college students who are going to kill themselves publicly if the Dems lose? \_ Just like the ones who were going to move to Canada? \_ Sounds like a plan, go for it! \_ McCain says he'll commit suicide if the Dems win [the Senate]... http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2006/10/18/160016.shtml \_ Some HIV+ gay activists in NYC said they were going to do something earth shattering if the Dems lose. See dailykos. \_ Can't find it. (Never read DailyKos before, can't figure it out.) \_ They've been losing every year since 94. Why now? \_ You have been trolled. |
2006/11/7-8 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:45217 Activity:nil |
11/7 http://www.electoral-vote.com Review the 2006 polls, watch all Blue-leaners go Red just like '04! \_ After Al Gore and Kerry's uber-fuckups beyond comprehension I'm no longer voting for anyone. -disillusioned \_ Sorry Republicans have to work. \_ in the Gurus section, add Novak: Senate 47-53, House 222-213 -op \_ Where do you get specific state results? (Props, etc.) \_ there probably isn't a central repository for state ballot item pre-election polls \_ You can get the CA stuff from the CA Secretary of State site. \_ for completeness, here's the Washington Post "tournament of champions" (of previous election-prediction winners) http://csua.org/u/hed (washingtonpost.com) \_ So why is it only a third of the Senate? \_ So why is it so many motd'ers are idiots? \_ Because I flunked history? How about be helpful rather than a prick? \_ Have you flunked google as well? Or the great wikipedia search? Grow up. \_ No, his real problem is the schools stopped teaching any form of civics before he was born. It isn't his fault his government controlled education taught him nothing about government. \_ BACK IN MY DAY WE WALKED UP HILL BOTH WAYS IN THE SNOW AND WENT TO SCHOOL 10 HOURS A DAY STUDYING POLITICAL PHILOSOPHY IN LATIN. THESE DAMN KIDS TODAY ARE IGNORANT AND HAVE NO RESPECT UNLIKE WE DID IN THE OLD DAYS. \_ yer hawt 6th grade teacher who wants to have sex with you sez: "because Senators have 6-year terms, House reps have 2-yr terms" \_ Thanks! (Duh) \_ So why is it only half-ish of the Senate? |
2006/11/6-7 [Politics/Domestic/Gay, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:45179 Activity:moderate |
11/5 wtf is this? http://www.pollingreport.com/2006.htm Can someone explain the rapid turn in polls? Don't tell me it's GOP TV advertising; but it would be the only principal reason. \_ In case you haven't noticed for many polls out there you need to add +10-15 points in favor of the R. This is because conservatives in general are very hushed about their intentions and they don't like to take polls or talk to pollsters. \_ The same reason why you never hear anyone claiming to be R in SF even though 1/5 are registered R. They'd get beat up or ridiculed if their friends find out. It's worse being R in SF than being a gay man in Tennessee. \_ The same reason why you never hear anyone claiming to be R in SF even though 1/5 are registered R. They'd get beat up or ridiculed if their friends find out. \_ So you think the open minded liberal and friendly folks in the SF area would physically assault someone for being R? \_ Absolutely. SF is tolerant to anyone liberal. That's why you never hear the other 1/5 of the voice. They're scared of liberals. \_ No just SF. Many parts of the south bay as well. \_ That goes for exit polling too, apparently. In most countries exit polls are used to see if the election was fair. For some reason, in the United States conservatives don't like admitting they voted for their candidates. Either that or the election is not fair, which can't be possible, right? \_ Elections have been rigged in this country before either of the current parties existed. That goes without saying. As far as exit polls go, yes, I believe there is a difference between some small third world country doing exit polls and the US spanning 3 time zones with exit poll reports coming out from the east coast before the west coast polls have closed. It isn't that hard to tweak the numbers and there is a very partisan reason for doing so (to make late voters not bother). As far as talking to exit poll people, no, I absolutely don't have the time to waste talking to some exit poll taker for whatever media outlet. There is no value or requirement to do so in order to support my candidate so I wouldn't do it. I don't 'admit' to having voted for my candidate(s). I just 1) don't care to spend my time telling you and 2) don't think it's any of your business anyway. \_ Yes. Because polls are a measure of who is being polled. In tight races with small samples it only takes a small change in the pollees to shift the final numbers a significant amount. The pollees to shift the final numbers a significant amount. That's why I've said for years that polls are useless. In a wide margin race you don't need one and in small margins everything falls within the margin of error so there's no point to it. |
2006/11/6-7 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/Crime] UID:45178 Activity:low |
11/6 On the timing of the Saddam verdict. Hmm ... what to think? "The idea's preposterous. This is one of these tinfoil hat sort of things." -WH press sec Snow - http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2006/s1781719.htm "Only the naive believe it's a coincidence." - http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,,1940534,00.html \_ What to think? Think for yourself. \_ Its all part of a Vast Right Wing Conspiracy, you know the one that is run by the Bush BrownShirts and is responsible for the "hundreds" of warcrimes against dissidents across the country. The Cabal will do anything to keep itself in power. We are just cattle to them. They are preping us for colonization. Trust No One. -fmulder \- i really do think the Cockroach Republicans are only limited by imagination and are not at all ethics. now if some "crypto- anarchist" would get a job at diebold and put in a virus to cause mass failure on election day, instead of cracking DMA technology, that would be interesting. you have to wonder what the aftermath would look like if there simply was no result to a large fraction of the elections in the country. [i think this is a really tricky area to come up with remedies. it's one when when basically the election is solid with a few one off problems, but mass problems would be unprecidented]. \_ yes all corruption is republican. democrats are all squeaky clean and golden. you are brilliant. your solution to your false sense of republican-only corruption is voter machine anarchy. great. all that will happen is setting a new date and doing them on paper followed by lawsuits about how the ballot format disenfranchised stupid people. \- i didnt say the democrats were clean. i did say the new breed of cockroach republicans have charted new terrain in corruption and sleaze. sure it's possible some Dems have it in them, but until they do it, it's a thought crime. here i include things like inter-census \_ $90k in your fridge isn't a thought crime. and he's still in office and has his committe position too, btw. gerrymandering, signing statements, something like the \_ gerrymandering is a cooperative two party effort. cheney energy tast force is vastly more secretive than the hillary health care one. i thought Billhary had plenty \_ secrets are not corruption nor a sign of it in and of themselves. of sleazy with filegate and travelgate and such or rostenkowsky stealing postage stamps but delay, brownie, are all taking it to a new level. this is a far cry from \_ not really. same old, same old. i see no real difference. they just have different sub- specialties of corruption and an equal share of the generic stuff. the part of people like warren rudman, for example ... or even alan simpson or o hatch. at least mccain is apologetic over the keating five episode. \_ mccain is a scum bag. i dont want his apology. i want his head on a pike with all the rest of the corrupt scum bags in DC. his apology has no value. apologise for a joke gone bad? sure. apologise for criminal activity? sorry, pal, try prison instead. \_ So McCain gets the death sentence for bribery but Cheney gets a pass for colluding to offer no-competition contracts to Halliburton? If it's death for the goose, it's at least prison for the gander. \_ Pike em all but I'd settle for prison. And I do mean *all* regardless of party. The Congress would be mighty close to empty if we really took corruption seriously. \_ Agreed. --erikred \- if you think mccain and cheney are comparable, i dont think we can really have a conversation [speaking personally]. mccain has done some fucked up things [agan keating 5], but he's also done some thing waaaaay beyond almost all others and they are things you cant make up or posture. i mean not only was he tortured but was super connected and could have gotten himself out of it. he adopted child from bangladesh ... that probably wasnt motived by it being good press, his son is in the marines etc. \_ So do you guys believe that the politicians presently in power are somehow born bad, and we just need to replace them with Good(TM) people? This makes no sense to me. The problem is not that we happen to have bad people in Washington, but rather that we have a culture in Washington that brings out the worst in people. I have no idea how to fix this culture, and I'm not convinced it will ever be fixed, but I'm positive that just changing the face of the corruption won't do it. \_ I can't speak for pp, but I don't think they're all bad people. I think we have a system in place now that encourages corruption and moral ambiguity (i.e., a disincentive to avoid conflicts interest). There are tools that could be used to fix this (or at least make it unattractive), but there's a culture of back- scratching and mutual-benefit cover- ups that makes real reform unlikely. Campaing finance reform would be an excellent step in the right direction but a non-partisan, independent body to investigate corruption might be a better idea. The problem is that even a "Grand Inquisitor" office is vulnerable to corruption and political stacking, and so the entire cycle keeps rolling. --erikred \_ I don't know. My current working theory is that, for the most part, only power-hungry megalomaniacs are willing to go into politics. Normal honest people would quit before they ever got to even the state level. \_ I believe that line about power corrupting and absolute power, etc. Term limits and none of this merry- go-round stuff to a different district stuff. Serve your time as a *public service* and get the hell out. It sickens me everytime some senator retires after 6+ terms in office and they have him voting from his death bed wheeled into the chamber. \_ Non-event. The media would bluster about it for a week or so, until some juicy sex scandal popped up. Most people would just say let's do it over w/ paper ballots and the country would go about its business. I'm all for this plan b/c it would surely return us to paper ballots and delayed election results. Delayed results means the media would have nearly nothing to pontificate about and we would have to be subjected to endless drivel about red-blue state "seismic" shifts on election day. |
2006/11/2-4 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:45111 Activity:nil |
11/02 R's go apeshit on Kerry, Dem polling gets even better: http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2006_11/009984.php \_ it's probably the "i remember the last time i had a choice between the student-body president (kerry) and the asshole-in-chief (dubya)" effect, or maybe people realize now a 1-party govt fucking sucks effect, or maybe people realize now a 1-party govt isn't working \_ No one likes the snobby student body president types. And no one likes Kerry. Not even the motd usuals bother trying to defend him in any real way. W may be the aic, but Kerry is still an elitist holier-than-thou prick. As far as 1-party governments go, you could swap any number of R for any number of D in Congress and you'd still have a 1-party government. It's all just bread n circuses. They pork the budget, pork their pages, pork their interns, and pork their wallets full of cash after they finally leave office and become 'consultants' for the next round of pigs. \_ You got my point exactly: No one likes the asshole-in-chief or the student-body president, but people are remembering the last time they had a choice, which was my point. What, did you think I dredged up "student-body president" as a neutral or pro-kerry phrase? c'mon. As for 1-part govt, I'd agree that an all-Dem govt may be a suspect as an all-GOP govt, but I feel that having one heading executive and one heading legislative is less worse than one controlling both. \_ Would it really be so crazy to have a no-party government? I think parties have outlived their usefulness and do far more harm than good. |
2006/11/2 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:45094 Activity:very high |
11/02 http://salon.com/news/feature/2006/09/24/allen_football Allen regularly called Blacks the N word in college. \_ So just curious, does Swift Boating Allen make what Kerry has said ok? Is that the new standard in politics? You've got one or two guys who said he used the word decades ago and several more guys who said he didn't. Whatever. \_ lol \_ What Kerry said was accidental, and not "oops, I exposed my real feelings" accidental, but a literal accidental omission of one word that his notes made it clear he meant to say. Try again. \_ URL for either statement? Mind reading and wishing doesn't count. \_ Stay on target, little RNC talking pointer, stay on target! \_ I'll take your non-reply as a bullseye. Thanks. \_ Yes, please! More irrelevant issues! I don't want to know anything about the issues! \_ Well yesterday people were asking why Allen was a racist prick and why the whole "he just totally made up a racist slur and didn't realize it was racist" argument is bullshit. \_ It's a Swift Boat attack. It's all "he said it", "no he didn't". If you didn't accept the same kind of attack on Kerry, then you have no business accepting it on Allen. \_ The Swift Boaters were disputing documented historic facts. There's no correlation at all with this situation. If you want to make a comparison, it's something like Anita Hill accusing Clarence Thomas of sexual harassment. -tom \_ Documented historic facts? Kerry's record, such as it is, is chock full of irregularities. His own stories aren't even consistent about where he was, when, with who, and what happened. I do agree the Anita Hill accusations are similar. \_ Hey, lay off. He's been a little confused ever since Nixon ordered him into Cambodia in '68. \_ Hey, at least he is running. \_ But this has nothing to do with his politics. This entire election is going to be decided based on nothing to do with the issues. \_ Whether he is a lying, racist asshole has nothing to do with his politics? \_ Welcome to how the Kerry campaign felt in 2004. \_ Actually it does. When he tells someone born and raised Virgina "Welcome to Virginia, Macaca" (paraphrased) that says a lot about him and how he sees non whites as second class citizens. Do we really need more racist yahoos running our country? \_ Maybe they like wasicsts in VA. Who are we in CA to \_ Maybe they like rasicsts in VA. Who are we in CA to tell them who they should elect to represent tell Virginians who they should elect to represent themselves? This is a distinctly local issue, not a national one. \_ US Senators pass bills that directly affect every human being on the planet. Also John Kerry isn't running. \_ So what? We have never had national election of Senators. No matter what I think of Allen my opinion doesn't matter b/c I can't vote for him. Instead of wasting my time w/ news about his wacism, I'd prefer to hear about CA news. [ If you want to argue that we in CA ought to express our outrage so that VA voters are pressured to elect someone other than Allen, shouldn't VA citizens have the right to choose whoever they think is best for them, w/o outside interference? ] Re Kerry, see below. I think the whole Kerry thing has been blown way out of proprotion. \_ "But this has nothing to do with his politics." \_ I disagree. This does have something to do w/ politics, just not national politics. I think the Kerry comment is also being blown way out of proportion. So Kerry said something dumb, let Bostonians deal w/ him. way out of proportion. I would be willing to entertain the argument that the Kerry comment is noteworthy on the national state b/c Kerry was a national figure by virtue of his Pres. bid. Even so, the press needs some sense of proprotion. \_ Actually, this race will probably determine which party controls the Senate, so it is of huge national importance. \_ Then we should all get to vote on it. \_ We can all campaign and contribute money. \_ By your logic, ever Senate race is crucial and we should get to vote on each one b/c it might affect national policy. But that is not the way things work. We vote for our representatives only. And what gives me, a CA citizen, the right to dictate national (or local) policy to VA citizens? They are after all citizens of a co-equal sovereign state in our republic. How would you like it if the VA citizens came to your home and told you how to run things? \_ No, we just need one supreme leader. \_ I'll take the first term and let you know how it goes. \_ Listen to it yourself and decide, did he really mean to say "mohawk" or "macaca"? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r90z0PMnKwI \_ He didn't claim he said "mohawk". \_ "Wadhams said Allen campaign staffers had begun calling Sidarth "mohawk" because of a haircut Wadhams said the Webb staffer has. "Macaca was just a variation of that," Wadhams said." \_ Yes? and? Macaca != Mohawk. Why would we expect to hear Mohawk when he said Macaca, he said he said Macaca, every other person there said he said Macaca and no one said he said Mohawk? I love the motd. It's full of such oddness. \_ Best excuse ever. Especially considering the haircut is about as unmokawky as well, a haircut could be. |
2006/11/2 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:45086 Activity:high |
11/01 What's more stupid than Kerry's joke? Kerry's apology for the joke. For crying out loud, why are liberals so apologetic? I'd respect him more had he stood by his comments. Fucking flip-flopper. \_ You're too stupid to recognize when someone's calling you stupid. \_ KERRY MUST APOLOGIZE! <Kerry apologizes> DAMN FLIP FLOPPERS! \_ Karl Rove is a genius, and the Republic is doomed. \_ You forgot, Kerry says: "I'll never apologize!" \_ Hi troll. No one here has actually said that. He also has yet to give a real apology that I've seen. "I'm sorry my comments were misinterpreted by [insert daily DNC fax talking points about Bush, Iraq, etc here]" is not an apology. BTW, did he ever apologise for calling our troops baby killers and rapists? \_ Do you also believe Mark Foley was punked by 15 year old twinks? \_ Of course not. He's a sicko and should have been booted out years ago. I don't have double standard politics. Two things mainly bug me about Foley (beyond his actual behavior): 1) apparently everyone in DC knew about it and ignored it, 2) while one side was trying to bury/ignore it forever, the opposition party appears to have sat on the information for *years* waiting for the right moment politically to release the info instead of outing him when they first found out. I do not appreciate children/young people being pawns in some silly Congressional election head-count power game. By either party. There *are* things that are more important that politics, many things, and this was one of them. \_ While I'm willing to agree that the timing of the Foley revelation is suspicious, remember that it's not the children/young people being manipulated; it's the culpability of the wrongdoers that's being manipulated. Foley (and the GOP leadership) are the ones guilty of manipulating the children/young people. The Dems are guilty of revealing that at a politically senstive moment. Yes, that's not good, but it doesn't excuse or make better the behavior of the GOP leadership in covering this up. -!pp \_ Both sides covered it up. One side covered it up to retain power, hide it, etc, all the standard reasons. The other side covered it up *until* it was politically advantageous *not* to. Had they determined it was not yet time to reveal he'd still be trying to bugger the under-age pages while sponsoring bills to nail net pedophiles. \_ You say the Dems covered it up as well. Do you have evidence they even knew? The report will come out of the ethics committee next month. You better hurry and get it to them if you have it. \_ It was reported at the time. It wasn't a secret. We'll see what comes from the report but I expect that to be a white wash for both parties. You don't seriously expect the foxes to properly investigate who killed the hens, do you? \_ Show me how the Dems covered it up. \_ By remaining quiet while they knew about it? What do you mean by "how"? \_ Isn't the blonde girl still missing in Aruba? Why don't you go vent some of your fake fury on that other obvious attempt to distract America from your miserable failure in Iraq? \_ Who cares about her? Why are you trying to distract from the issue? Because you don't have a real response. Thanks for playing. \_ Wow, you missesd the obvious point, even when hit in the head by a 2X4. You are even dumber than I imagined. Are you really a Cal student or grad or even dropout? \_ _n_ ______ _/o \/ \@ _________ O_ )=( ____I_ \______ \___/\______/ \ \ \_____ I II II II II Go stick your head in a pig. \_ You didn't have a point. No, I'm not a Cal student or dropout. I'm here to learn from you how to fail to communicate. You understood what I was saying but I still don't see why you bothered posting so I have failed to communicate at your level. Next time I'll simply rant about some totally random event which had nothing to do with anything anyone besides the girl's family cares about. \_ Just like your silly random rant about Kerry. Thanks for making my point for me. \_ Still no point to be seen and no response to what I said. If that makes you feel smart, then feel smart. I'm not here to injure your sense of self esteem. |
2006/11/1-2 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:45079 Activity:high |
11/01 Good lord, the flubbed Kerry joke is the front page story on every single news site. You'd think he was running for something. \_ I think this video puts the whole matter in perspective: http://movies.crooksandliars.com/CD-SC-KerryJoke.mov \_ October Surprise!!! \_ well, except nytimes, cbsnews, and latimes \_ obLIBERALMEDIA \_ Did you actually check nytimes,latimes and cbsnews or do you just \_ Did you actually check nytimes, latimes and cbsnews or do you just like spreading lies? \_ when it's "the" front page story, I interpreted this to mean the lead story. washingtonpost, abcnews, msnbc all had this as the lead. ok, I should have made this clear. \_ Here is something I don't understand. What is so offensive about this joke? It is a bit edgy because it has a lot of truth in it. Further, you would think combat veteran like Kerry is immued from this attack. Instead, those draft dogers are the one who is launching the attack \_ Some political pundit pointed out before the 2004 elections: "By the time Karl Rove gets done with John Kerry, people won't even know which side he fought on". \_ What is the truth you think is in it? \_ For one thing, no matter how patriotic or idealistic you are, joining a military stuck in a murderous quagmire with no clear mission, mounting casualties and farm-league leadership verges on the suicidally insane. For another, recruiters tend to focus on lower-income and less educated individuals and frequently extol the military as a way to get ahead--something that would appeal more to someone with less chance of academic/professional success. Or to put it this way, I don't think the army's attracting the intelligentsia right now. And what below poster says. It's a non-issue, albeit a poorly considered statement, and one that the attack dogs can get their filthy teeth around to distract from the real topics up for discussion. -John \_ The military doesn't target lower intelligence morons. They target smart people from lower income brackets who can use the military to get ahead. Dumb people are not going to get anything but 3 squares and a cot from a few years of military service. \_ link:tinyurl.com/ym5awa - danh \_ what are you smoking? do you know almost 1/3 of Army personnel didn't graduate from high school. \_ duh. what are *you* smoking? _READ_ what I said. Less educated != dumb! And from reading the motd it is clear that educated != smart, too. \_ The military actually won't take you if you score too low on the IQ tests. They tend to target third and fourth quartile (by IQ) individuals, but they don't want actually stupid people, just average ones that will follow orders. -a Vet \_ That was then, this is now. With recruiting efforts failing the army has drastically reduced the testing requirements. \_ Is this still the case in the face of more agressive recruiting efforts ? \_ Not really that much: http://www.csua.org/u/hct Even the Army will not take you if you below the 26th percentile and they try really hard to only take those above the 31st. They are taking more high school droupout, but those actually have to dropouts, but those actually have to score above 50%. \_ So despite the statistics that prove you wrong, you believe the idea that you have to be a dumb-ass to be in the military? I'm starting to think it wasn't a botched joke, but what Kerry really believes. \_ You're starting to believe this because of some motd ramblings? You're a pretty easily led person. \_ The conservative media can finally rally around something that takes the heat off of the Republicans. \_ Who is the conservative media? Would that be CD? DVD? 78s? |
2006/11/1-2 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:45073 Activity:very high |
11/01 http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/11/01/kerry.remarks/index.html John Kerry: "I sincerely regret that my words were misinterpreted to wrongly imply anything negative about those in uniform, and I personally apologize to any service member, family member, or American who was offended" \_ Too little, too late, damage done. Even the original joke was stupid. Resorting to personal attack for political gain shows the weakness in one's own ideas. Leno should be making jokes like that. Kerry is no Leno. \_ Ahh, so he should have apologized, unless he apologized, in which case apologies don't matter. \_ Try again. "Too little, too late". It's right there only a few lines up. At least *try* to respond to what was actually said instead of making something up to reply to. \_ this was a type of macaca or RAAAWWWRRR mistake - an inadequate level of appreciation of a flub getting amplified by your enemies even though you made the flub in a friendly environment or that it was innocently dumb. \_ Had he said this right away, this would be over now. \_ No it wouldn't. \_ yes it would. no it wouldn't. yes it would. whatever. \_ Had the clip been played in context, it never would have started. \_ It's politics. boo hoo. Don't make jokes if you're not funny. \_ It's attitudes like this that are why this country is fucked. \_ Yes the country was great and lollipops fell from trees prior to 1994. Kerry was stupid. He got caught being stupid no different than Allen's 'macaca' idiocy and he's paying the price. Were you around defending poor Allen on the false charges of racism a few weeks ago? No. Thanks for playing. \_ Allen's comment was given full context. And his meaning was very clear. He _is_ a racist fuck. Kerry's comment in context shows his meaning clearly as well. You think he was calling the troops "stupid". You're wrong. \_ I read Allen's full comment. There is no context beyond the one line and noting the guy has been following his campaign around. And? What is the context that makes it clear he is racist? \_ He's Republican. QED. -liberal \_ Sorry, I forgot that anyone who disagrees with your agenda is racist. \_ You are replying to a sarcastic troll. \_ It's the motd. There's no one else here. \_ Context or no, Allen's comment was racist. It's basically the French-african way of caling the opposition staffer 'nigger'. \_ That's basically the same as saying "Context or no, Kerry statement was insulting to the troops." \_ OK, you got me, I phrased that poorly. Read: The context of Allen's statement has no mitigating effect on the content of his statement. Using the word 'macaca' in a duscussion about racism is a mitigating context, using it to describe an Indian person is not. \_ I think the mitigating factor is that prior to this little incident many Indians didn't even know about this wacist even know about this racist slur. And after finding out, it is still a big whatever. -Indian \_ Racist! \_ Mitigating in what way? In that many Indians didn't realize he was using a racist slur? How does that mitigate the racist slur? I mean, I'd understand if that didn't rile anyone up in a bar, but at a political rally? \_ You are a flubarax!!!!!! Oh wait, flubarax doesn't mean a damned thing. Or maybe it is the most offensive racist slur possible in the Belgian Congo during the 1750s? Are you offended? \_ Of course not. Your made-up word has no cultural context as a racial slur, or, more to the point, no such context that you are aware of. "Macaca," however, is a racial slur in a cultural context that Allen was aware of. \_ Macaca meant nothing to anyone until someone found some obscure slang from the colonial era. You have absolutely no evidence Allen was aware of that meaning. I have yet to see a link showing what it meant and why he might have known that. The link from yesterday was about the Belgian Congo which Allen has absolutely no relation to. Flubarax! \_ Belgium, man, Belgium! \_ You didn't look very hard, if at all: http://www.csua.org/u/hcv \_ If a tree falls in the woods and no one cares I guess the tree huggers feelings still get hurt. Like I said this is a big Whatever. -Indian \_ Don't you think there are better things we could be spending time on? \_ Absolutely not. Start your own thread if you want. I'm entertained, sorry if you're not. \_ How are they false? I think Allen is guilty of thinking everyone is stupid. He happens to use the French Tunisian word for "nigger", his mother is from French Tunisia, and then he tells everyone he made the word up on the spot? - danh \_ The 'macaca' guy wasn't black. Oops. \_ Don't you think there are better things we could be spending time on? \_ The term refers to those with dark skin. \_ URL, please. I don't have my French Tunisian slang dictionary handy. \_ You don't need a dictionary to equate a French Tunisian word for "darkie" to anyone with dark skin. But hey, because _you_ probably do, here's a Wikipedia article on "macaca." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macaca_%28slur%29 \_ See, I don't know if I buy this. I don't really care about Allen, maybe he is a racist, I don't know. But the argument that "X's mother probably knew Y, so X must know Y" is pretty weak. \_ Considering Allen's history I don't think it's a weak at all. The man is a racist prick. Not because he's a republican, but because he's a racist prick. \_ So, what's his history that suggests he's racist? -clueless \_ angry motd liberal said so. \_ He used to routinely called Blacks "n*ggers" in college, amongst other things. \_ Bzzzt. Sorry, Swift Boat style attacks aren't going to cut it. \_ I heard this first on John Ziegler's show out of KFI. He had \_ Actually, 2004 showed us that GOP style campaigning works. I am glad to see the Democrats embrace the Karl Rove style of smear politics. Have a little fire, scarecrow! http://salon.com/news/feature/2006/09/24/allen_football \_ I heard this first on John Ziegler's show of of KFI. He had heard only that soundbite on a local news station. It was in the context he heard. Given the number of groans from the audience, I don't think it was clarified by context. -emarkp \_ If Kerry was really insulting the intelligence of people in the military then he was insulting himself. \_ Kerry is in the military? Which branch and what unit? \_ hi idiot \_ hi humorless clown. \_ Kerry's Non-Apology Not Accepted (by Freepers) http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1730262/posts \_ That's because they're neanderthal cretins. \_ duh, they only quoted the first half of the compound sentence. It's two parts: (a) regret for being misinterpreted, and (b) apology to people who were offended \_ Jesus fucking christ, is there nothing more important on the electoral agenda than a non-candidate making a badly timed and ill-considered joke? That's like a shitbag like Mark Foley getting nailed over harassing pages rather than anything of substance, or starting a national crisis over a cigar dildo. Have American politics come to this? I think I'm leaving for Chile again. -John \_ This is important because only ~2 years ago this was the guy his party put up to represent them as their best candidate to run the entire country for the next 4-8 years. His 'flubbed joke' shows a lack of basic brain power and wisdom that reflects on his supporters and those like him. If it was a nobody like Murtha, who gets some press time but is otherwise nobody, then it would've had about 4 hours of news cycle time, if that. \_ I am pissed at John Kerry. He need to learn how to shut the fuck up. I will let Bill Clinton have another BJ over this guy anyday. |
2006/10/31-11/2 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:45061 Activity:kinda low |
10/31 Looks like the October Surprise was Kerry being an incredible dumbass. \_ Heh. link:csua.org/u/hcc \_ He certainly didn't sound good, did he. \_ I wish he had STFU until Nov 8th. \_ Uh, for botching a joke about the president, and then having it taken out of context? \_ Excuse me but "bullshit!". He meant it exactly the way it was said. He's an idiot. \_ Have you read the transcript? It followed another Bush joke. The audience got the joke, even as mangled. You're either lying or stupid. \_ I read it. The motd is the only place on the planet that agrees with you. Maybe you're right and the entire world is wrong. He certainly needs to STFU and stop trying to play tough guy in some lame attempt to make up for the way he allowed himself to be run over in 2004. "Oh, I'm a tough guy now, vote for me in 2008, no apologies for being a moron, rah rah rah!" \_ The whitehouse, rushlimbaugh, and freerepublic are the only others who believe as you do. And the whitehouse is already backing off their stridency on this, likely because of Kerry's press conference. I now must put you in the "stupid" column. \_ Which is why officials and elected leaders in his own party have asked him to *not* show at Dem rallies this week and said he should apologise. If being aware of current events is your stupid column then please put me firmly on that side. \_ Tester, Casey and Ford do indeed have a bit of the stupid in them. \_ Yes, he meant that you can either work hard and study or you can end up getting your country's military stuck in a bloody quagmire. \_ I think that Kerry is just as good at flubbing public speeches as Bush is, and this is a typical example. I think Kerry was making a jab at Bush just as he said, but he should have done what a normal person would with an apology, rather than preemtively attacking Rush Limbaugh. /That/ showed his lack of character more than the original comment. -emarkp \_ I vote based on a person's character. -Average American \_ From http://RushLimbaugh.com, from yesterday's show: http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_103106/content/and_along_comes_lurch_2.guest.html With the cute little comment "Watch the video, and see if Kerry or anyone else laughs as if it's a joke at Bush's expense." along with a video clip with the laughter (that is indeed there on the live feed) is cut. Preemptive, my foot. Fuck you, and fuck Rush. \_ I don't give a rip about Rush Limbaugh. Kerry slammed him before his show even aired. -emarkp \_ And to think this arrogant moron was almost elected.... \_ Yeah, good thing the other arrogant moron was elected. \_ Actually, yes, it is. There are worse things than GWB. Such as John Kerry. He flubbed the joke before he made the joke. Or did he make the joke before he flubbed the joke. Or maybe the joke was just nuanced and he's the only one smart enough to understand it. Or he flubbed the nuancing of the apology before making the joke about the soldier's apology to him. Or something like that. \_ Or maybe he was making a joke about the President partying too much in college instead of learning that you don't get to invade countries just because you're the President. I know, it's not really funny because the results of Bush's Folly have been so painful, but do try to see the irony. Frankly, I'm having a really hard time trying to imagine anyone doing worse than Bush. [Edit: Of course that's immediately not true. Lyndon Larouche, Ross Perot, Dan Quayle, Dick Cheney, Gary Bauer, Alan Keyes... hell, the list is long and varied. It's also populated by the lower 5% of the pool.] \_ How weird that you only mention right wingers as people who could be worse. I'm sure you're not allowing your personal bias to color your thinking. Carry on, Comrade! The fact is both parties are corrupt and this whole "your party is teh suxx0r but my party is teh r0xx0rz!@1" thing is truly moronic. If you can't see the flaws in one party while being able to see the same flaws in the other, you are truly hopeless. Vote third party. \_ Oh, sorry: Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Kim Jong Il, Joe Lieberman, James McGreevey. Find me corrupt Dem chickenhawks, and I'll add them to the list. \_ So you think Dan Quayle belongs on the same list as Stalin? Whatever. Vote third party. \_ No, I think DQ would have made a worse Pres. than Bush. I think Stalin would make a worse Pres. than Bush. I think 95% of the pool would make a better Pres. than Bush. Did you flunk reading comprehension? \_ What third party? Libertarian? Green? Communist? A more reasonable response is that people need to get away from parties, and we need to find ways to get higher quality individuals into politics. The solution of the problem of political parties is not more political parties. \_ HALP US JON CARRY! http://www.620wtmj.com/images/uploaded/Help%20Photo20061101105508.JPG \_ So I am really trying to figure this one out: why does a toungue tied has-been washed up second rate politician rate so much attention? Is this just an effort by the GOP to change the subject off of Iraq? Do they think this is going to work for them, or is \_ Not to state the obvious, BUT YES, OF COURSE. this one of those "Hail Mary" situations, like in the WSU vs. Cal game last week? |
2006/10/23-24 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:44933 Activity:nil |
10/23 Daschle predicts Dems will take Senate with seven seats http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1724541/posts \_ He couldn't predict his own loss. |
2006/10/23-25 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:44931 Activity:nil |
10/23 Rahm, DNC pitbull, stacks the deck in favor of conservative (D) candidates: http://washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/21/AR2006102101049_pf.html |
2006/10/21-23 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:44906 Activity:nil |
10/21 From the the Fall 2006 Forefront: "In response to Dean Newton's message [spring 2006], the world is indeed 'flat.' But Friedman is wrong about our technological and economic preeminence being in jeorpardy because more degrees are coming out of Asia. Every engineer with a degree tries to develop a product that makes life better or makes millions of dollars. I was able to do this even without a degree, so we shouldn't feel threatened." --Trevor J. Buckingham, Senior Software Engineer and Owner, QL2 Software Company, Chicago (EECS 1998-200) \_ Looks like his brother (father?) is CEO. Guess that's the real route to success. \_ Looks like his brother (father?) is CEO. Guess that's the real route to success. \_ It always has been. Nothing new there. |
2006/10/12-14 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/911] UID:44791 Activity:nil |
10/12 US Election Assistance Commission finds little evidence of fraud at voting polls. Most voting fraud apparently occurs through absentee ballots: http://www.usatoday.com/printedition/news/20061011/1a_lede11.art.htm \_ So they didn't find stuffed ballot boxes... who said they would? Now, where does it say they didn't find evidence of or the potential for manipulation of Diebold voting machines? \_ Just in time for a story about recently found fraudulent voting registration applications by a Democrat group: http://www.forbes.com/home/feeds/ap/2006/10/11/ap3084684.html |
2006/10/3-5 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic] UID:44641 Activity:nil |
10/3 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/Articles/000,015.htm In The Heterosexual Agenda: Exposing The Myths, you will learn how: heterosexual militants have embarked on a systematic assault on American values; heterosexual activists plan on recruiting your children into their lifestyle; heterosexuals are undermining traditional marriage; heterosexuals are undermining the health and safety of society; violence has become a hallmark of the heterosexual lifestyle; heterosexuals are intent on eventually recriminalizing all freedoms of expression for gay men and women. |
2006/9/25-27 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:44522 Activity:nil |
9/25 Huntington Beach trademarks "Surf City USA" and sues Santa Cruz merchants: http://tinyurl.com/jamv5 (mercurynews.com) \_ just FYI, the Huntington Beach pier which most surfers surf is also the location of the desposing pipe for treated waste water. Granted that those treated waste sewage is colorless and oderless, it's makes me laugh everytime I think about it. \_ You are breathing my fart gas right now. \_ Why can't Santa Cruz just accept that "Surf City USA" does not refer to them? Dean (of Jan & Dean, who wrote the song "Surf City" along with Brian Wilson of the Beach Boys) lives in HB and said he was thinking of HB when he wrote the song years ago. Santa Cruz has fine surf. It's just not "Surf City USA". \_ Interesting, there are two cities named "Surf City," one in NC and one in NJ. \_ And...? |
2006/9/22-25 [Politics/Domestic/911, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:44495 Activity:nil |
9/22 "The national Democratic Party is no longer worth the cement needed to sink it to the bottom of the sea." http://www.prospect.org/weblog/2006/09/post_1477.html#010031 \_ The guy is right that Dems have not said a thing while McCain/Graham/Warner and Cheney "compromised". However, the criticism is premature. I believe this bill is dead for this Congressional session; there are too many controversial elements with too little time to bring GOP senators on board. There is insufficient time for GOPers to gain sufficient confidence in the talking points to force the Dems to filibuster, which they will but they won't need to. -- Also note that the "compromise" stories that headlined last night have failed to get front-page on the web sites of major newspapers, which indicates the incompleteness of the deal. \_ The Democratic Party is now the Jew Party, has been for some time. \_ Where's ilya when we need him? |
2006/9/18-20 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:44434 Activity:nil |
9/18 http://csua.org/u/gx8 (latimes.com, Niall Ferguson op-ed) "For the Republican candidate in '08, it might actually be better if the Democrats did well in the midterms, because a brief return to power on the Hill would expose their chronic incoherence, making the case for a Republican comeback two years down the line. That scenario, however, is not on the cards. ... Republicans look like they're hanging on." Dems -- fucked no matter what happens. \_ I was glad the R won the 04 election because I doubt Ds would do a better job in Iraq. Imagine Kerry and his D affiliates getting blamed for all the shit that's happening in Iraq now. Thank God for W's victory in 04. \_ You gotta love pompous prognostication... \_ can someone summarize the "Chronic incoherence"? last I checked the Republican party was still claiming they believed in "fiscal responsibility" and "security" \_ All this tells me is that Mr. Ferguson got an early look at today's Gallup poll results -op |
2006/9/14-16 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:44381 Activity:nil |
9/14 Republican Senators John McCain, Lindsey Graham, John Warner, and Susan Collins tell Dubya to go get stuffed. http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=aothcPLzAytM&refer=us \_ "I will resist any bill that does not enable this program to go forward with legal clarity," Bush said at the White House after his meeting with lawmakers. That's such an elegant way of saying "I will veto anything that confirms that what I already did was, in fact, illegal" \_ They aren't trying to gut Geneva, honest! They're just clarifying legal language! All a big misunderstanding. \_ He is just trying to keep himself out of jail. All criminals do the same thing. |
2006/9/7-12 [Academia/Berkeley/Classes, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:44311 Activity:nil 66%like:44291 |
9/6 Purge, Iranian style! http://tinyurl.com/j2kzx (iht.com - Int'l Herald Tribune) \_ Sounds like he's been taking notes from David Horowitz. \_ Persian girls are hot. Just check http://persiankitty.com. |
2006/9/7-12 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:44302 Activity:kinda low |
9/7 http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/09/07/poll/index.html Clinton is Dem's favorite with virtually no chance of winning, and Gore is Dem's second favorite with Gore virtually no desire of running. This is the story of how Dems fuck it up for the third time. This is the story of '08. \_ As with Bill Clinton and Dubya, it is quite likely that the actual Democratic nominee in 2008 will be someone who is not on the radar screen in 2006. -tom \_ Who is the GOP going to run against her? Rice? Clinton would win. John McCain is not nutty enough for the Religious Right, so he won't get the GOP nomination. Guliani is pro-choice and pro-gay rights, so he is too *gasp* "liberal." Who else does the GOP have? \_ George "Macaca" Allen. Rick "Don't get it on the sheets" Santorum \_ This isn't much, but my picks are: Hillary > Mark Warner, Edwards >> Feingold, in that order. (fyi, it turns out that the first three are tops on tradesports other than Gore, but I came to this independently) I would say Hillary in front with VP Warner; alternatively, Warner with VP Obama. Barbara Boxer is my secret "average American" Democratic candidate \_ If Barbara Boxer wins the Democratic nomination, the Dems should just pack up and disband. Nominating her with her out-of-touch views and shrill personality would be the stupidest thing the Dems have ever done. Boxer is so polarizing that she makes Hilary seem like a quiet reasonable, helpful librarian type. \_ yeah, and the Republicans have succeeded with moderate, collaborative centrists like...uh...tom delay and dubya. -tom \_ Sorry, pops, but recent history has shown that the GOP can get away with ultra-conservatives and still appeal to the unwashed masses of the South, Midwest and Rocky Mountain states. The Dems, however, have to run a centrist candidate to have a shot. Bill Clinton is the only Dem to win the White House in the past 30 years, and he did so as a centrist. Real liberals like Mondale and Dukakis tried to succeed...and were completely humiliated. I foresee something even more drastic if a born loser like Barbara Boxer gets the nomination. \_ To suceed in the long run, the Democrats need to articulate and pursue their own agenda, not become Republicans. -tom \_ Of course, but if that agenda only appeals to 1% of the population, they will still lose, no matter how well the pursue it. lose, no matter how well they pursue it. I'm sorry, but comprimising and coming to the middle to form a consensus is what democracy is all about. If you represent many Dems in beliving that means "becoming Republicans", then the party is truly hopeless. \_ How many people do you think support raising the minimum wage? National Health care? Keeping Social Security as it is? Ending the war? Take your 1% and shove it. \_ Comprimising and coming to the middle is not how the Republicans got into power, and it won't be how the Democrats reclaim it. I do not think it should be difficult to come up with a platform which is both truly distinct from the current Republican platform, and attractive to a large number of Americans. -tom \_ That's exactly what they did, they didn't compromise with YOU, but they compromised with > 50% of the population. \_ No, that's not what they did at all. Republican policies do not serve the interests of most of the people who vote Republican. Republicans did a lot of work on getting people to identify with their agenda; that's not compromising. -tom \_ You're confusing what's going on now (when the Republicans are losing) with what was going on when they came to power. Remember the Contract with America? The Rs are failing now because they aren't finding the issues that the majority people care about. The Ds can't capitialize on it because they're even worse. \_ Voters *identified* with the rhetoric around the Contract With America--they didn't *care about* the Contract With America. It's an important distinction. -tom \_ I guess you're going to have to explain this more carefully, because I have no idea what you're talking about. \_ Most people don't vote on the issues; they vote for the person they identify with most closely. A typical red-state hick doesn't really *care* about flag burning, or gay marriage, or welfare moms. When you survey people and ask what their most important issues are, those are not the things that come up. But conservatives use those kinds of issues to project an *identity* for themselves which red-state hicks comprehend and identify with. The liberal challenge is to come up with an identity; right now there is no clear liberal identity which voters can align with. -tom \_ What I can't understand is how they did that with an Ivy league cheerleader rich boy from Connecticut who used his dad's infulence to avoid military service. who knows exactly what's going on and deserves a chance Definite no's: Biden, Clark, Daschle, Kerry, Richardson \_ These guys are each superior by 10 times over the opinionated, self-absorbed dunderdead that is Barbara Boxer. \_ I think the key word here is your opinion that she is a "dunderhead". All those guys you mentioned are opinionated and self-absorbed, except maybe not Daschle on the self-abosrbed part. Gore isn't going to run. \_ I disagree. Gore is starting at running back for the 49ers this season. That's why they traded away Kevin Barlow to the Jets. |
2006/9/6-7 [Academia/Berkeley/Classes, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:44291 Activity:nil 66%like:44311 |
9/6 Purge, Iranian style! http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2006/09/05/news/Iran_University_Purge.php \_ Sounds like he's been taking notes from David Horowitz. |
2006/8/3-6 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:43886 Activity:nil |
8/3 so, a while back, this collage pic of ashcroft was posted to motd: http://www.pmbrowser.info/hublog/images/gashcroft.jpg There was a similar one of Bush, only done with pictures of the faces of soldiers who had died fighting his wars. anyone remember the URL for that one? \_ http://photomatt.net/2004/04/07/mosaic \_ NSFW \_ He's cute. -proud American |
2006/7/24 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:43769 Activity:nil |
7/24 John Kerry, you are such a hoot! http://csua.org/u/gif \_ If he runs again in 2008, I hope he runs with Lieberman on an Independent ticket. I could use a laugh. |
2006/7/7-10 [Politics/Domestic/911, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:43589 Activity:nil |
7/7 FBI disrupts New York transportation plot: http://www.csua.org/u/gcj (Yahoo! News) "Lebanese authorities, working with U.S. law enforcement agencies, arrested an al-Qaida operative who admitted to plotting a terror attack in New York City ......" \_ Thank goodness they're monitoring international and domestic calls. Oh wait, what's that? They caught this one w/ publically available resources and the Sears Tower one b/c their neighbors ratted them out? No, no, that can't be right. \_ Yes because sometimes other methods work in some cases no one should use some other method you don't like. You got into Cal? \_ Time to stock up on Freedom Fries, plastic sheeting and duct tape! Time to raise the terror alert and scare the sheeple! Let me guess, it must be campaign season... \_ Why are liberals so wacky?! Don't forget the tin foil! \_ Can one even still buy tin foil(as opposed to aluminum foil)? That could be useful. \_ Of course you can't. They made sure of it. \_ Freedom Fries were a liberal invention? Telling America to stock up on duct tape and plastic sheeting was a liberal course of action? Stop trying to rewrite history Padawan. to stock up on duct tape and plastic sheeting was done by liberals? Stop trying to rewrite history Padawan. \_ It was a liberal's attempt at satire. Liberals think that everything is some sort of evil Republican plot. That's giving too much credit to Republicans. \_ Unlike the Florida jokers this one looks a bit more credible. |
2006/6/16-19 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:43416 Activity:nil |
6/15 Let's face it. Karl Rove is evil, but is also extremely brilliant. What new tricks do you anticipate in the upcoming elections? \_ Dubya simultaneously stays the course in Iraq and brings some troops back to a heroic homecoming. \_ Precisely. He announces that victory is complete and says he'll bring home troops. He brings back a minimum number and says the rest are merely support and on their way home Real Soon Now. At the same time, he paints Dems as cowards. Fox publishes retrospective on the war describing the entire venture in rosy terms ("sacrifices were made for the greater good," etc.). The best Dems can hope for after that is the assassination of the Iraqi PM. \_ Are you fucking nuts? Why would you *hope for* the Iraqi PM to be assassinated? Why would anyone hope for that? \_ Because it's ok if the middle east goes to hell and millions die, as long as the Dems win the next election! \_ And yet, not surprisingly, it would be okay with everyone involved if you were found drowned and bloated, no matter who wins the next election. \_ Oo, touched a nerve, huh? And, not surprisingly, you cannot express yourself in an intelligent manner. Ook! Trog kill! \_ It's always disappointing to me when this is the best a college educated person can do. -someone else \_ You DON'T. That's the point. The GOP is so good at the PR game that they're going to paint the Dems into a corner where the only way out is if something absolutely terrible happens. \_ Paint into a corner? What? So Iraq taking a turn for the worse is good for the party? The logic behind that is so painfully twisted I'm left speechless. Nevermind, it's only the motd. I'm going to lunch. \_ Here's my vain attempt to make this clear to you: Bushco is going to announce victory and bring back a minimum number of troops while promising to bring the rest back at some vague date in the future. He'll ridicule the Dems as cowards who would have pulled out our troops before we were able to complete the mission. Fox will kick into overdrive with retrospectives of how the war _was_ terrible but how it was utterly justified and how the troops who died did so in the line of duty. The networks will miss the point and will argue over the war, but in the past tense, thereby solidifying the idea that it's over. The public, faced with a seemingly successful conclusion to the matter, will go along with the GOP as the party of winners. The Dems will then have no real means of regaining Congress or the White House. The one thing that could derail this plan is if something catastrophic and sensationally public occurred in Iraq, such as the assassination of the Iraqi PM; a public reversal like that would be sufficient to prove that the war is not won in Iraq, thereby short- circuiting the PR war. Read carefully: I'm not saying that anyone should be hoping for the assassination of the Iraqi PM; I'm saying that the GOP is setting up an airtight plan to continue their dominance. \_ ok it does make me feel better that you're not rooting for an assassination. However, I'm not buying that if there's still say, 30,000 US troops there and bombs are still going off in Baghdad that anyone is going to buy that it's over. As far as planning for political dominance, that is a political parties reason for being. I expect both major political groups to spend all their time plotting and planning to achieve and retain power. WTF else are they good for? Once you accept that political parties exist you can't fault them for doing what they were designed to do. \_ I would buy this if there were oversight worth a damn keeping them from acting illegally and unethically. The sad truth is (as DeLay mostly worked out) that if you control the means of oversight, you can then overlook your own excesses. \_ I'm a glass half-full kinda guy. I see DeLay and Jefferson's fridge stuffing and the many other times someone in either party got busted and booted and often jailed as the system working. I see the Keating Five (sleaze bag McCain) getting off as a failure but that's the exception. So, I'm not going for this "the people are stupid" line and I'm also not buying the "they always get away with it" thing either. The overall record stands against that line of reasoning. \_ airtight except for the fact that Iraq is still a clusterfuck and it will get worse if we pull our troops out. That government wouldn't last a week. -tom \_ And that's why they pull back a token number, declare a public victory, and leave the rest of the troops in place to be withdrawn at some vague future date. \_ People are stupid, but I don't think this administration has enough credibility left to turn things around with token gestures. -tom \_ I hope you're right. \_ Don't confuse "conniving" with "billiant." -tom \_ Brilliantly conniving. Not all connivers are on the same plane as Rove. \_ yosafbridge \_ Two words: "special hell" :D --michener \_ quiet, this is a movie. |
2006/6/15-19 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/President/Reagan] UID:43406 Activity:nil |
6/15 Is Bernanke a Democrat or a Republican? How about his predecessors? \- He used to drive a Sienna minivan. Maybe you can do some kind of Bayes Rule thing based on the car->party statistics to come up with a guess. [for the record, he is a Republican, but not a party hack ... he was an academic most of his life. Considering his portfolio, his views on more technical questions are probably more meaningful than broad party affiliation. I am pretty sure the only guy who voted against his confirmation was a Republican senator who or why.]. GREENSPAN was a Randroid. Paul Volker [appointed who or why.]. GREENSPAN was a Randroid. Paul VOLKER [appointed by Carter, reconfirmed by Raygun] is an interesting question. The Fed, unlike some other administrative agencies, does seem to officially discourage its officers from partisan activities. See e.g. http://stlouisfed.org/publications/re/2000/c/pages/presidents-message.html --psb |
2006/6/13-15 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:43371 Activity:nil |
6/13 http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/06/13/rove.cia Rove won't be charged in CIA leak case http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/06/12/iraq.contractors Iraq contractors make billions on the front line Also on the news Bush visits Iraq and his approval rating rebounds. Rove is great and November is looking great! \_ approval rating rebounds? where? \_ Seconded. Read: http://news.yahoo.com/s/usatoday/20060613/ts_usatoday/pollseesaboostforbushiraqwar Conservatives rule while Liburals drool! \_ and thus the deep dissatisfaction of the liberals/geeks with the rule of the neocons/jocks. \_ hey, way to go with the labels and stereotyping. \_ If 35 percent is a rebound you are hurting for good news \_ esp when other polls went down in the same period. |
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