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2022/06/30 [General] UID:1000 Activity:popular

2013/6/18-8/13 [Reference/Law/Court, Politics/Domestic/Crime] UID:54695 Activity:nil
6/17    Don't mess with Texas:
        \_ Kudos.  I just worry that some shameless ambulance-chasing lawyer
           might sue her on behalf of the criminal.
           \_ America has more lawsuits per capita than any other nation.
              Lawyers, rejoice!!!
2013/6/11-7/31 [Politics/Domestic/Crime] UID:54691 Activity:nil
6/11    Another murderer sparing his life and living a celebrated life:
        How come this guy only got second-degree murder, not first-degree?
2022/06/30 [General] UID:1000 Activity:popular

2013/4/10-5/18 [Politics/Domestic/Crime] UID:54651 Activity:nil
4/10    Is it just me, or it seems really ironic that a bunch of iconic
        monopolists in the Guilded Age funded a bunch of academic institutions
        through their philanthropies and those institutions later on produced
        famous academics that are highly critical of their benefactors
        and attack the ideals on which those monopolists based their
        philosophy on?
        \_ 'Former "sheriff of the year" arrested and sent to jail named after
           him'  http://www.csua.org/u/ztf (news.yahoo.com)
        \_ Gorbachev toppled himself.
        \_ Eliot Spitzer the crime-fighter, was caught doing crime.
        \_ No, this is a good example of irony.
        \_ wait, you're telling me that monopoly is considered to be as cool
           as the trickle-down economy? Really? Wow, who would have guessed?
2013/1/11-2/17 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Crime, Politics/Domestic/SIG] UID:54578 Activity:nil
1/10    Yet another campus shooting incident: http://www.csua.org/u/yvw
        Thank you NRA.
           \_ I would thank them; it's a tough spot to be in: defending civil
        liberties in the wake of an event that has all the sheeple begging
        the government to take them away. (Not to mention the large number of
        morons vilifying you and those others who dissent).
        Unfortunately I'm still kind of annoyed at the armed gaurds comment,
        so I'll just engage sheep such as yourself instead.(See below) -phuqm
              \_ Yup, so much defending civil liberties as to tell the POTUS to
                 depot someone because that person is exercising his First
                 Amendment rights.
2013/1/10-11 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Crime] UID:54577 Activity:nil
1/10    Yet another campus shooting incident: http://www.csua.org/u/yvw
        Thank you NRA.
2012/11/28-12/18 [Politics/Domestic/Crime, Academia/UCLA] UID:54539 Activity:nil
11/28   http://www.businessinsider.com/most-dangerous-colleges-in-america-2012-11#3-university-of-california--berkeley-23
        We are #3! We are #3! Go beah!!!
2012/9/3-11/7 [Science/Space, Politics/Domestic/Crime] UID:54471 Activity:nil
9/3     While most of America is committing more and more resources to fight
        obesity by promoting healthy diets, NASA was spending tax dollars
        looking for sugar in space ......
2012/6/23-7/20 [Politics/Domestic/Crime] UID:54421 Activity:nil
6/23    Werher von Braun, Nazi, SS, overseer of Dora slave factory,
        is an American hero because of his contribution to
        Saturn V. What is wrong with America?
        \_ Is this worse or better than Gerald Ford pardoning
           Nixon for FuckYouAmericaGate?
        \_ "Hero" is a strong word. "Useful" would have been a
           better word. Had he not been so "useful," he'd have
           most certainly ended up at the end of a rope. Operation
           Paperclip demonstrated some insane "enemy-of-my-enemy"
        \_ I'm still waiting for GERMAN JOHN to respond to this.
        \_ von Braun is DIRECTLY responsible for killing 3000
           Londoners and destroying countless property with his
           V2 rocket development. America looked the other way
           for his crime. Fuck you America.
           \_ Was it technically a war crime bombing London?  How was it
              compared to Drisen and Hiroshima?  I think Drisden was a
              transportation hub for German troops while Hiroshima had some
              industrial complex manufacturing military machinary, or something
              like that.
              \_ The bombings of Dresden and Hiroshima were also war crimes,
                 but the victors write the history books.
           \_ Hrm. If von Braun can be blamed for his rockets being used to
              kill all of these people, shouldn't Mikhail Kalashnikov be
              tried as a war criminal? By your logic, Smith & Wesson are
              liable for any crime involving their pistols. von Braun's
              oversight of the Dora slave factory is a much more direct
2012/4/25-6/4 [Politics/Domestic/Crime, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Others] UID:54370 Activity:nil
4/25    Colombian special forces conducting a military exercise, really.
        http://preview.tinyurl.com/7a6huq6 (http://www.sfgate.com
2012/2/24-3/26 [Politics/Domestic/Crime, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea] UID:54314 Activity:nil
2/24    "How the U.S. Could Pressure North Korea Tomorrow: Quit the $100 Bill"
        http://www.csua.org/u/vkl (news.yahoo.com)
2012/1/25-3/3 [Politics/Domestic/Crime] UID:54298 Activity:nil
1/25    Even a death row inmate agrees that life in prison is good:
        http://www.csua.org/u/vba (news.yahoo.com)
        \_ He forgot to mention all the free anal sex.
2011/11/10-30 [Politics/Domestic/911, Politics/Domestic/Crime] UID:54222 Activity:nil
11/10   Assange vs Zuckerberg
2011/10/3-18 [Politics/Domestic/Crime] UID:54185 Activity:nil
9/30    "Amanda Knox Acquitted of Murder"
        \_ Why do you hate America? Your date must be wrong too...
           \_ I don't.  I also thought WTF when the hikers were convicted in
              Iran.  -- OP
2011/8/1-12 [Politics/Domestic/Crime, Politics/Domestic/RepublicanMedia] UID:54149 Activity:nil
8/1     What the Tea Party looks like from overseas:
       \_ the best part is when the baby throws the poo in his diaper at
2011/5/27-7/30 [Politics/Domestic/Crime] UID:54121 Activity:nil
5/27    Pharamcist convicted of first-degree murder for shooting at armed
        http://www.csua.org/u/tfk (news.yahoo.com)
        What the f**k!!??
        \_ Shooting the robber and leaving him on the floor unconscious was
           obviously self-defense.  Calmly returning to the store afterwards
           and shooting the unconscious robber on the floor five more times,
           killing him?  That sounds like murder to me.
           \_ What's it like being a trustafarian/armchair lawyer?
           \_ One day your net will go down, and you'll have to leave your
              gated community.
           \_ First-degree murder is for killings that are premeditated, which
              shouldn't be applied to killing out of rage when one was
              ROBBED AT GUNPOINT.  Do you think the robberer would be
              convicted of first-degree murder if it was him shooting the
              pharmacist dead after the pharmacist pointed a gun at him but
              was shot and fell first?  I don't think so.  --- OP
        \_ This is pretty sad because I'd expect this bullcrap from CA not
        \_ The case below further illustrates that the pharmacist in the case
           above did the right thing:
2010/7/5-20 [Politics/Domestic/Crime] UID:53875 Activity:nil
7/5     I think this is the first time a CA cop has EVER been put on trial
        for murdering a black man.
        \_ Really?  CA cop, or CA white cop?
        \_ The case marked the first murder prosecution of an on-duty Bay Area
           police officer. Prosecutors rarely file charges against police for
           shootings. A Chronicle review of police use-of-force cases around
           the country found just six cases in the past 15 years - not
           including the BART shooting - in which murder charges had been filed.

           The cases, involving a total of 13 officers, typically resulted in
           large civil payouts to victims' relatives. However, none of the
           officers was convicted of murder and most were acquitted or
           cleared altogether. One pleaded no contest to manslaughter and
           got three years in prison.
2010/2/12-3/9 [Politics/Domestic, Politics/Domestic/Crime] UID:53707 Activity:nil
2/12    Tea Party rallies: "tea bag libs before they tea bag you":
        \_ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teabagging
2010/1/11-19 [Politics/Domestic/911, Politics/Domestic/Crime] UID:53621 Activity:nil
1/11    A-Bian the former Taiwanese president is so corrupt. Man,
        those southerners can never be trusted.
        \_ Come on.  Even pro-KMT people would say "Ah-Bian => southerners" is
           a troll.
           \_ Ok. So what is AHHHH-Bian3 then?
              \_ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chen_Shui_Bian
2009/12/8-26 [Politics/Domestic/Crime, Computer/SW/SpamAssassin] UID:53580 Activity:low
12/8    Old news, but new to me:
        Spam King kills himself and his family after escaping prison
        Hopefully more spammers will take the hint.
        \_ I wish the same fate can go to all marketing and
           advertising folks, selling people things they don't
           really need. I esp. hope it happens to people who
           advertise cigarettes, promote alcohol, and gambling.
           I hope it also happens to all diamond marketing
           folks. And luxury car marketing folks. Actually,
           I hope ALL marketing people die the same fate.
           \_ What about sales people? How do you feel about them?
           \_ So the marketing guys at my startup (who are trying to figure
              out which sector we should sell our storage software product
              to) should, in your opinion, kill themselves?  Truly you are
              a prince among men.  Keep up the good work there, twit.
        \_ He was sentenced to only 21 months in a "prison" with dormitory
           housing.  Why bother escaping?
2009/10/20-11/3 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Crime] UID:53457 Activity:high
10/20   "Ending death penalty could save US millions: study"
        "...... the cost to the state to reach that one execution is 30
        million dollars"
        I used to be pro death penalty because I thought it's cheaper than
        life without possibility of parole (p.s. especially with the health
        care cost of $40k/yr per prisoner that was in the news a couple months
        ago).  But now I'm not sure.
        \_ It is clearly not cheaper.  -tom
           \_ It would be cheaper if we just got on with it already.
              \_ But we can't and shouldn't, so it's clearly not cheaper. -tom
                 \_ We can and we should. See how easy that is?
                    \_ Yes, it's quite easy to execute innocent people.  -tom
                       \_ if DNA proves guilt, kill. if not, life sentence.
                       \_ You think jailing innocent people for life is better?
                          Let's just not jail anyone in case we made a mistake.
                          \_ Plenty of innocent people "jailed for life" end up
                             being released after new evidence comes to light.
                             Hard to bring someone back to life though.
                             138 death-row inmates have been released since
                             1971.  The failure cost of the death penalty is
                             much higher than the failure cost of prison.  -tom
                             \_ I think I'd rather be wrongly executed than
                                rot in prison for 60 years after being wrongly
                                imprisoned. Jail and the people in it are that
                                unpleasant. What *really* sits wrong with
                                me is when criminals *beg* to be executed
                                and we don't do it. Let's execute those
                                people ASAP and set a reasonable period
                                where evidence can be brought to light for
                                everyone else: lets say 10 years. I don't
                                want to pay for some "death row" type guy
                                to be in prison from age 22 to 82. Charles
                                Manson should not be an expense to me
                                right now.
                                \_ If you had a 10-year limit, you would
                                   only have executed 65 of the 138 innocent
                                   people.  Good job!  -tom
                                   \_ I'm not going to worry about 65 people
                                      out of the 2.5 million in jail. As I
                                      said, it's not any better to wrongly
                                      rot in jail. It's not like you are
                                      going to find all wrongfully
                                      convicted people with or without the
                                      death penalty. I believe the justice
                                      system works and works better than
                                      ever in this age of DNA evidence.
                                      Your argument is that the justice
                                      system makes a mistake 5% of the time
                                      in capital cases. I _really_ doubt that
                                      figure given the extensive appeals
                                      process. BTW, the average length of
                                      time between sentencing and
                                      exoneration for those wrongfully
                                      convicted is 7 years. So if you
                                      think 10 cuts it too close let's
                                      make it 20. I just threw a number
                                      out there.
                                      \_ At this point you're just trolling;
                                         if you were really wrongfully
                                         accused and had the option of 12
                                         years in jail and instant death,
                                         you would take death?  The idea
                                         is absurd.  Let's leave it at,
                                         the death penalty is more expensive
                                         than life in prison and will remain
                                         so despite the efforts of nutjobs
                                         like you, so you can't argue that
                                         the death penalty costs less than
                                         the alternative.  -tom
                                         \_ The death penalty is only more
                                            expensive because of nutjobs
                                            like you who are concerned that 65
                                            out of millions of convictions
                                            over the last 30 years might
                                            actually be innocent. You
                                            waste a lot of money on such
                                            statistical insignificance.
                                            Accept that the justice system
                                            works and stop wasting time
                                            defending *tried and convicted*
                                            death row inmates. If this
                                            were 1709 I'd be right with
                                            you, but the system is not as
                                            corrupt as it used to be and
                                            works very well as your own
                                            numbers attest to.
                                            \_ Millions were convicted of
                                               murder? Probably not. I wonder
                                               what the false positive rate
                                               in convictions is. Any idea?
        \_ The article doesn't say.  Is it also so expensive in Texas, where
           there do a lot of it?
        \_ You know why California has a prison problem? Because of
           fucking idiots like you who think it's cheaper to keep a
           person alive than to execute them. I have a better
           solution, just offshore the job to China. They can do it
           far more efficiently. It really pisses me off seeing a
           headline like this. Hand control of Oakland to China and
           the crime situation will disappear and innocent people will
           stop dying. Fucking US criminal justice system.
           \_ California has 678 death row inmates; you could execute them
              all tomorrow and we'd still have a prison problem.  -tom
              \_ My point is we should execute a lot more people. Like
                 the 10 or 20 who gang raped the Richmond school girl.
                 A bullet in their head is the best message we can
                 send to those fuckers in Richmond and Oakland.
                 Innocent people suffer and die when you have a
                 criminal justice system that doesn't get rid of
                 \_ I think we should get out the guilloitine and start
                    chopping off the heads of all of Goldman Sachs and
                    the CEOs of AGI, Bank of America and all the other
                    the CEOs of AIG, Bank of America and all the other
                    fools who have caused much more suffering than the
                    Richmond rapists. But I am not holding my breath
                    for the world to come around to my point of view.
        \_ http://www.economist.com/world/unitedstates/displayStory.cfm?story_id=14699746
2009/10/2-22 [Reference/Law/Court, Politics/Domestic/Crime] UID:53427 Activity:low
10/1    It costs $500,000 USD to rape a child:
        \_ "Geimer, now a mother of four, has said repeatedly and publicly
           that she thinks Polanski was treated unfairly and expressed a desire
           for the case to be resolved without prison time."
           So she thinks he didn't commit a crime but she wants him to pay her?
           Or what?
           \_ "treared unfairly" and "he didn't commit a crime" aren't the
              same thing.
              \_ If that's the case, it means she's saying that someone
                 drug-raping a 13-yr-old and being a fugitive doesn't deserve
                 jail time.
                 \_ or perhaps she means the claims against him were exaggerated?
                 \_ or perhaps she means the claims against him were
                    (I certainly don't know, but neither do you)
                 \_ Yes, that is how I read it too. Maybe she means that he
                    has already suffered enough and now just owes restitution
                    to his victim. It is not an unreasonable position to take.
2009/9/5-12 [Politics/Domestic/Crime, Politics/Foreign] UID:53335 Activity:nil
9/5     Proof that 19th century artillary is really accurate:
        "Pa. man fires cannon, hits neighbor's house - Yahoo! News:"
2009/8/14-9/1 [Politics/Domestic/Crime] UID:53270 Activity:low
8/14    How California's Lock-Em-Up Mentality actually makes crime worse:
        \_ Sounds nice, but the stats say the crime rate is better since
           we started locking them up.
           \_ You should look up "correlation and causation."
              \_ Just because they are not necessarily correlated doesn't
                 mean they aren't.
                 \_ I know you are but what am I?
           \_ The Economist would beg to differ with you:
              \_ This article doesn't mention the crime rate at all. It
                 mentions recidivism. Even with the same yahoos getting
                 out of jail and immediately committing more crimes, the
                 crime rate has fallen. Imagine how good it would be if we
                 simply executed those troublemakers. Now, I don't think
                 that is morally acceptable and don't condone it, but I
                 say that to point out that the prison programs are broken
                 but that has nothing to do with sentencing. We can
                 restore funding to prison programs and cut the costs of
                 housing prisoners (per prisoner) *both* with the current
                 tough-on-crime stance still in effect. However, you
                 shouldn't need a PhD in statistics to realize that
                 releasing a lot of gang-affiliated criminals in jail for
                 lesser sentences like assault and dope dealing is not
                 going to be *GOOD* for the crime rate.
                 \_ These guys have a good summary of the research on the topic,
                    but the summary is that states with higher incarceration
                    rates have actually seen less of a drop in crime than
                    those states with lower incarceration rates:
                    \_ Interesting article, but one might argue that the
                       states with less crime therefore needed fewer
                       incarcerations. In Figure 2, the authors point to
                       two time periods with increased incarcerations. In
                       one of them, the crime rate increased and in the
                       other it decreased. They call this "divergent". One
                       might also say that even though the rate of
                       incarceration increased perhaps it didn't increase
                       *enough* and that the results of the second time period
                       were partially a result of the higher incarcerations in
                       the first time period. I don't think anyone is
                       naive enough to suggest that other factors (like the
                       economy) don't influence crime, but even the
                       authors of this study don't go so far as to say
                       that incarcerations do not affect positively the crime
                       rate - claiming it accounts for only 25% of the
                       reduction. They take this figure from another paper
                       in the UK which did some econometric studies. I
                       started to read this and it looks like good
                       research, but I hate to restate the obvious:
                       releasing criminals from jail is not going to lower
                       the crime rate. Therefore, it could only increase
                       or stay the same. Given that the CA prison system
                       is inept at rehabbing prisoners, I am going to
                       guess those people will return to crime. The
                       solution is not to release people early or get soft
                       on crime. The solution is to lower prison costs and
                       put some of that savings into programs that might
                       actually rehabilitate criminals. If that happens
                       then maybe we can consider revising sentencing.
                       Until then, you will be releasing people into the
                       community that have no business being released.
                       \_ One could argue that the real problem was locking
                          them up in the first place, which has been shown to
                          turn petty drug dealers into hardened criminals. So
                          in the short term you might be right, but in the long
                          term, locking up fewer people (and the right people
                          of course) will likely lower the crime right.
                          of course) will likely lower the crime rate.
                          \_ I don't like to argue the past. However we got
                             here, we are here. I would argue that if you
                             lock up enough people (all of them) the crime rate
                             can be reduced to zero. Dealing and doing
                             drugs is not a victimless crime and we are
                             right to be hard on those criminals, but we
                             need better support programs for them because
                             it's a hard habit to break. If you want to
                             lock up fewer people then they need to commit
                             less crime, but I refuse to ignore crimes
                             that are committed. There are programs which
                             may help make people less inclined to turn to
                             a life of crime, but those are orthogonal to
                             what to do with the people who have already
                             chosen that path.
                             \_ I am sure the crime rate in prison is higher
                                than the crime rate outside of prison, so your
                                lock em up mentality is unlikely to work.
                                Smoking a doobie doesn't mean you have chosen
                                a "life of crime" by your standards all of our
                                last three presidents are career criminals.
                                Come to think of it...
                                \_ As long as pot is illegal then it's a crime
                                   and a lot of crimes were likely committed to
                                   bring that joint to you, some of them
                                   not so innocuous.
                                   \_ Speeding is illegal too, are you planning
                                      on locking up all the auto drivers, too?
                                      I am sure more people are killed over oil
                                      than pot, does that make driving immoral?
                                      \_ Speeding is illegal, but not a felony.
                                         However, there are plenty of
                                         situations where speeders can end
                                         up in jail, too. Smoking pot is
                                         not a victimless crime. If it's
                                         made legal then that would solve
                                         a lot of the related crime, but
                                         it's illegal and, yes, there is a
                                         lot more crime committed to grow,
                                         smuggle, and sell you drugs than
                                         there is to pump, refine, and
                                         sell you gasoline from Texas.
                                         \_ Smoking pot is not a felony either.
                                            80% of our oil comes from overseas,
                                            so you should look at what is
                                            happening in Iraq, Venezuela or
                                            Nigeria, instead of Texas. Most
                                            CA pot is grown locally, in fact.
                                            \_ Selling it is and having
                                               more than an ounce of it
                                               could be. Cultivation is
                                               also a felony. The rest of
                                               your straw man bores me.
                                               How many people are killed
                                               in the name of dihydrogen
                                               monoxide? We compete for
                                               all resources. However, I
                                               guarantee you Chevron is not
                                               out there committing rampant
                                               crimes to obtain, manufacture,
                                               and distribute its product.
        \_ we should lock them up in labor camps
           \_ At least we shouldn't provide better healthcare to them than to
              citizens outside of jail.
2009/7/28 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/Crime] UID:53210 Activity:nil
7/27    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_Whig_Party
        "On 19 May 2009 during a national online meeting, the Modern
        Whig Party and Florida Whig Party jointly announced the first
        federal Whig candidate since the 1850s: Paul C. McKain of
2009/7/27-8/6 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Crime] UID:53204 Activity:nil
7/27    A very good reading from our own Piaw:
2009/5/6-9 [Reference/Law/Court, Politics/Domestic/Crime] UID:52959 Activity:nil
5/6     "Wal-Mart pays $2M to avoid charges in death probe"
        "Nassau County District Attorney ... said that if she had brought
        criminal charges against the retailer for negligence in the worker's
        death, the company would have been subject to only a $10,000 fine if
        Choosing to pay $2M-for-sure over $10K-maybe?  Does Wal-Mart have a
        conscience now?
        \_ Of course not.  They're paying for avoiding an admission of guilt.
           They're also paying to avoid a wrongful death suit.  -tom
2009/4/21-28 [Recreation/Dating, Politics/Domestic/Crime] UID:52883 Activity:kinda low
4/20    Anybody know Daniel Andreas San Diego?
        \_ "Law enforcement officials describe San Diego as a strict vegan
            who possesses a 9mm handgun."
        \_ "On his abdomen, he has images of burning and collapsing buildings."
           Tattoos people, they are called tattoos.
           \_ The POWER of OpenGL: http://tinyurl.com/liberals1
              \_ He's pretty ripped.
        \_ I used to work with him.
           \_ Oh yeah?  He seem like the bombing type?
              \_ I wouldn't be surprised. He used to get on the company irc
                 server and talk about how great the ALF was all the time.
                 \_ To be fair, there were a lot of weird people on cp
                    company irc
                    \_ Did you work there too?
        \_ Was everyone at cp crazy?  so we have insane ALF guy, and
           crazed criminal stock scam guy.  any other awesome people from
           cp i am forgetting?
           \_ what is cp?
              \_ CriticalPath or maybe Communist Party, depending on who
                 you ask.
           \_ Oh, that barely scratches the surface. There were at least
              three drug dealers that I knew of, and one guy who boasted
              of his Mafia connections.
              \_ Did you date the guy who runs http://Suicidegirls.com ?
                 \_ Heh, no, I am not even sure who that is, but I do know
                    that a bunch of the female CP employees ended up with
                    jobs as porn stars at SG after CP blew up.
                    \_ I'm kind of joking.  only 4 people made/make real
                       money off of SG, one of theme is s5, the rest
                       are not CP related.  getting paid $500 once a year
                       to pose is not a real job
                       \_ s5? I always disliked that arrogant little twit,
                          maybe I will have to reassess my opinion of him.
                          I don't know how much "models" on the site make,
                          but you are probably right. Is le one of the 4?
                          but you are probably right.
                          \_ d00d have you seen s5's wife?:
                             \_ Yeah, she is hot and tall, which makes them
                                an amusing couple. Should this make me respect
                                s5 more or less ;-)
2009/4/15-20 [Politics/Domestic/Crime] UID:52851 Activity:low
4/14    Zombietime once again *curiously silent* on the teabaggery.
        Fortunately someone has the balls:
        \_ This isn't funny. Zombie only covers stuff that is worth making
           fun of.
           \_ Come on, calling to repeal the 14th amendment is hilarious.
           \_ You have got to be kidding me.
              I mean, "Chairman Maobama?"  Come the fuck on.  Yeah, like, mass
              murder and raising tax rates to where they were in the '90s are
              like totally equivalent dude!
              \_ 8 years of Bush=Hitler and all of a sudden you're appalled by
                 comparisons between mass-murdering despots and U.S.
                 Presidents? Way to root for the home team...
                 \_ Nice strawman.
                    \_ An argument is only as strong as its counterargument...
              \_ Personally I prefer Obamarx.
              \_ I want some of those Maobama shirts for a couple of Commie
                 friends of mine, where can I buy one?
2009/3/29-4/2 [Politics/Domestic/Crime, Politics/Foreign/Europe] UID:52765 Activity:low
3/29    Good news, Yoo to be investigated for violating International law:
        \- I'm actually happier to see Alberto, Feith, and Addington on
           the list ahead of Yoo.
2009/3/13-19 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/China, Politics/Domestic/Crime] UID:52708 Activity:nil
3/13    I present to you a bleeding-heart liberal's nightmare:
        China's Mobile Execution Bus
        Can be yours for only $37-75K, depending on options.
        \_ Er, you're kidding, right? Non-bleeding-heart liberals would
           support a rolling death chamber?
           \_ Tough-on-crime conservatives would love it though.
2009/2/26-3/3 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Crime] UID:52644 Activity:nil
2/26    If only Al Gore had had Norm Coleman's balls:
        \_ yeah, I'm sure the Republican Congress and the stacked Supreme
           Court would have gone right along with another election...  -tom
2009/2/24-3/3 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Crime] UID:52631 Activity:nil
2/24    Megan's Law doesn't work:
2009/2/9-15 [Politics/Domestic/Crime] UID:52540 Activity:nil
2/9     What hypocrites we are--everyone climbing on Phelps' back for
        possibly taking a hit of marijuana from a bong?  How many of
        us HAVEN'T done that, and other similarly petty crimes?
        Fer chrissake, cut the guy a break.
        \_ Hello liberal, soft on crime?
          \_ your childlike fundamentalist idea of "law" is amusing to me.
2009/2/3-8 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan, Politics/Domestic/Crime] UID:52505 Activity:nil
2/3     Japanese murder investigators fooled by life-sized sex doll
        How did this article never show up on the motd?
2009/2/2-3 [Recreation/Dating, Politics/Domestic/Crime] UID:52499 Activity:low
2/2     She came to her senses.
        This is the woman who was dating Scott Peterson, the guy who's
                                          \_ actually Drew Peterson
        suspected of killing a few of his wives.
        \_ What wife did he kill other than Lacy?
           \_ Did you read the article? It says right in there.
        \_ Drew Peterson, not Scott. Scott only killed the one wife.
           \_ Man, thos Peterson's are baaaad news.
2009/1/26-31 [Politics/Domestic/Crime] UID:52465 Activity:moderate
1/26    Merrill Lynch chief economist declares we are in depression.
        (sorry, no link - it's an internal note)
        Sedacca of http://minyanville.com also calls depression against current
        consensus of 2nd half recovery (go to http://minyanville.com, "depression")
        "The main point I would wish to deliver here: An economy built on so
        much leverage, deteriorating so quickly, is going to collapse, no
        matter what the stimulus (bailouts, buyouts, TARP, Stimulus packages,
        quantitative easing, mortgage market manipulation, etc).  The economic
        avalanche is upon us. And if you've ever witnessed an avalanche, there
        is no way to stop it."
        My take:  Sedacca ignores that "out of recession" == one quarter of
        positive GDP growth (by one def'n).  Quarterly GDP is qoq, not yoy, so
        it's easy to go positive from 4Q08.  You can have depression + "out of
        recession" at the same time.  Yes:  Tea and no tea simultaneously.
        \_ FUCK did you get past the babelfish puzzle?
        \_ what's with all these tools i need to collect?
           \_ I hope you kept the pocket fluff.
        \_ I guess the chief economist of Merrill Lynch would know something
           about basing your entire economy on imaginary leverage.
        \_ The IBs are screaming bloddy murder, so they can get more handouts
        \_ The IBs are screaming bloody murder, so they can get more handouts
           from the taxpayer. The Economist predicts that the recession will
           end mid-year and we should see modest growth by the end of the
           \_ don't forget, "end of recession" == positive GDP growth for one
              quarter (by one def'n).  We can therefore not be in a recession
              while in a depression simultaneously -op
              \_ Yeah, well, a few random idiots are predicting depression.
                 The Economist is not. We will see who is right. I know
                 who has a better track record.
2009/1/20-26 [Politics/Domestic/Crime, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:52422 Activity:nil
1/20    George W. Bush, Greatest President Ever!
        \_ I want to try him for war crime and crime against humanity, then
           exile him to Iraq (outside the green zone) so he can enjoy the
           "progress" he made first hand... along with his neocon friends
2009/1/16-23 [Politics/Domestic/Crime] UID:52403 Activity:nil
1/16    I don't know if anyone here has been following the Selma Hill murder
        case in Dublin, but the main suspect, Rosa Hill (ex-granddaughter-in-
        law) finally made a statement. http://csua.org/u/nat
        I'm appalled at her poor alibi here. I mean, caught tresspassing, armed
        at a house with a dead old lady in the trash can, and the best she can
        come up with in a week of thinking is "I just wanted to talk about
        child custody," and "[Ex-husband] attacked me?" Come on!
        \_ How could you be a suspect in a murder case for a week and not
           even have a lawyer? Rosa shouldn't be saying anything to anyone
           about this, least of all the media, until she talks to her
           \_ Yeah, that threw me at well.  Actually, the two accomplice
              suspects (her parents) also said they didn't have lawyers in
              their interviews.  Maybe they're all crazy?
2008/11/28-12/4 [Politics/Domestic/Crime, Recreation/Shopping] UID:52125 Activity:nil
11/28   When I first heard about this I figured it must have happened in some
        place in the South like Arkansas or Mississippi.
        \_ quite the shopping season:
           \_ must be the desperation of the consumer
              \_ clearly liberal greed
2008/11/21-28 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea, Politics/Domestic/911, Politics/Domestic/Crime] UID:52070 Activity:nil
11/21   "The year 2025: Oil, dollar out; Russia, Islam in"
        (National Intelligence Council report)
2008/11/17 [Politics/Domestic/Crime, Industry/Jobs] UID:52022 Activity:low 77%like:51992
11/14   Angry Lead Test Engineer shoots boss, CEO, gets away in a rented car:
        \_ you mean angry Lead Test Engineer, whatever that is
        \_ Unfortunately, it looks like they caught him:
           Why didn't he run?
           \_ Odds are it was a crime of passion/temp. insanity. He didn't
              run because he was probably in shock.
              \_ he got fired in the morning, left to get a 9mm, came back in
                 the afternoon for a meeting with his superiors, and shot all
                 three dead.
                 \_ yeah it wasnt a crime of shock.  he got fired.  he asked
                    to have a meeting with the three people he thought were
                    involved in his firing.  he killed them all, left
                    the building.
                    \_ Not interested in defending the dude. Just saying that
                       he probably didn't run because he hadn't planned it out
                       that far.
2008/11/13 [Politics/Domestic/911, Politics/Domestic/Crime] UID:51965 Activity:nil
11/13   lolz.  liberals. [SFGate article on Boxer aide being convicted of
        distributing child porn.]
        \_ GO LOL YOURSELF
2008/11/13 [Politics/Domestic/911, Politics/Domestic/Crime] UID:51962 Activity:nil
11/13   lolz.  liberals.
        \_ GO LOL YOURSELF
2008/11/11 [Politics/Domestic, Politics/Domestic/Crime] UID:51917 Activity:nil
11/11   http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/11/12/2417037.htm
        \_ Are you having a conversation with yourself?
2008/11/10-13 [Politics/Domestic/Crime] UID:51899 Activity:nil
11/10   every norcal liberal should hang their head in shame
        \_ Why not every norcal catholic?
        \_ shut up paolo
           \_ lulz
        \_ Why?  Other NorCal lefties didn't do the crime. -emarkp
        \_ Why is Dan Noyes talking to himself at the end of the interview?
2008/11/7-13 [Politics/Domestic/Crime, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51877 Activity:low
11/7    Obama's plans to require students to serve.
        \_ Yes, so? Isn't that better than kids staying home and playing
           Nintendo all day? Or doing drugs and hanging out with gangsters?
           How is this different than mandatory physical education in
           in school, is that also bad for kids?
              \_ http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20081108/pl_nm/us_usa_guns_1
                 And you thought you were just being funny...
        \_ Did you see the post below about slavery?  Same thing.
           \_ Sorry the assmastery threw me off.
              \_ Added by an asshat after the post
        \_ Old truths have been relearned; untruths have been unlearned.
           We have always known that heedless self-interest was bad morals;
           we know now that it is bad economics. Out of the collapse of a
           prosperity whose builders boasted their practicality has come the
           conviction that in the long run economic morality pays. We are
           beginning to wipe out the line that divides the practical from the
           ideal; and in so doing we are fashioning an instrument of unimagined
           power for the establishment of a morally better world. -FDR, 1936
           \_ That was while FDR was prolonging the depression
              http://tinyurl.com/56dqd4   [ucla.edu]
              \_ FDR's policies probably would prolonged the depression
                 even longer if not for the FOUR HORSEMEN
              \_ Krugman thinks you are wrong:
                 \_ Krugman isn't an Economist anymore, he's just another lefty
                    commentator.  Furthermore, the one link doesn't address the
                    UCLA study, and the other is 13 years old.
                    \_ Yeah, anyone who disagrees with you is a "lefty
                       commentator" we got that the first 1000 times you said
                       it. Even the one's with Nobel Prizes aren't as worthy
                       as the anonymous contributors to LGF.
               \_ http://tinyurl.com/6naawz
                  Stop Lying About Roosevelt's Record
2008/10/12-15 [Politics/Domestic/Crime, Politics/Domestic/President/Reagan] UID:51481 Activity:nil
10/12   How the GOP used "Star Wars" to rip off the taxpayer:
2008/10/7-9 [Politics/Domestic/911, Politics/Domestic/Crime] UID:51417 Activity:low
10/7    To the idiots who think the Ayers story is interesting:
        What Ayers did was a generation ago.  He went to jail for a long ass
        time.  He payed his debt and understands that when he was a kid
        he was wrong.  Now he is a respected Chicago professor who worked
        with a legitimate group whose mission was to get money to try
        to improve Chicago schools.  Maybe you don't think Ayers should
        have been able to rehabilitate himself, but isn't that the point
        of justice.  People do wrong, we punish them and make them
        understand why it was wrong.  Then if those people come back to
        society and do the right thing we are supposed to accept them
        back as valuable members of our community.  That's what makes the
        justice system work.
        \_ He's never recanted.  AFAICT he's never spent a day in jail for the
           bombings.  He has no regrets, thinks he should have done more.
             "So, would Mr. Ayers do it all again, he is asked? 'I don't want
             to discount the possibility,' he said."
           http://tinyurl.com/4tb7wd [nytimes]
           Note that this nytimes article appeared on 9/11/2001.
           \_ He did turn himself in.  I was wrong, charges were dropped
              because of prosecutorial misconduct.  And you need to read
              his rebuttal to that article.
           \- look even if guilt by association isnt 1/r^2 but 1/r,
              CKEATING is so much closer to JMCCAIN, not to mention
              his crimes so much more contemporary to their involvement
              and the nature of the relationship directly involves what
              he was on the hook for, the strength of the guilt by assn
              charge is a whole lot stronger in this case ... not to
              mention its relevance to the current financial mess
              [regulation, moral hazard, regulatory arbitrage, lobbying-for-
              loopholes, money influence in politics etc]. "thanks hillary".
              \_ ob why do you love the terrerists?
                 \- CKEATING is a financial terrorist ... that's what he
                    was doing w.r.t. to the FSLIC. might be good to execute
                    a few finance people to "find new ways to motivate them"
                    against MORAL HAZARD. since it is highly likely you were
                    "young" during this episode, spend the <5min to read
                    http://tinyurl.com/yypk4l [wikipedia on CKEATING].
                    \_ ob sarcasm++
2008/9/25-29 [Politics/Domestic/California/Arnold, Politics/Domestic/Crime, Politics/Foreign] UID:51290 Activity:nil
9/25    Father abandons 9 children to be cared for by the State of Nebraska:
2008/9/16-19 [Politics/Domestic/Crime, Politics/Domestic/RepublicanMedia] UID:51197 Activity:nil
9/16    Make sure you watch the video before reading the story
        \_ Am I a bad person for thinking this is insurance fraud?
           \_ Where's it say his shit was insured?
2008/9/13-19 [Politics/Domestic/Crime] UID:51157 Activity:nil
9/13    Great essay on a talk radio host by David Foster Wallace, from 2005.
        Wallace hung himself this week. :(
2008/8/19-21 [Politics/Domestic/Crime, Computer/SW/OS] UID:50907 Activity:high
8/19    Exploit code downloads backdoor from two sources one .cc one local
        box on <DEAD>icq-mail.net<DEAD> (an link:secureserver.net) (upstream isp is sbcglobal
        (now ATT)).  both sources are still serving up the malicious .EXEs
        Who should I report this to?
        \_ are you getting DKAMINSKY DNS EXPLOITED???????????
           \_ no, i'm getting "my users are dumb asses" exploited.
              \_ Report it to the "dumb ass police" then. If you really think
                 that the admins will do anything about it, track them down
                 using geektools and send them email. They are probbly part
                 of some kind of international crime syndicate and will just
                 the admins will do anything about it, track them down using
                 geektools and send them email. They are probbly just part of
                 some kind of international crime syndicate and will just
                 ignore you. You can always report them to their upstream
                 provider and the FBI, but that doesn't seem to do much, in
                 my experience.
2008/8/13-17 [Politics/Domestic, Politics/Domestic/Crime] UID:50859 Activity:nil
8/13    The most interesting thing I found in this article is that in
        Arkansas, when two towns, Helena, and West Helena, merge, the new
        town isn't named Helena, but Helena-West Helena:

        http://tinyurl.com/5ao3m6 (cnn.com)
        \_ "The citizens deserve peace, that some infringement on
           constitutional rights is OK, and we have not violated anything as
           far as the Constitution." Huh?
2008/8/7-13 [Politics/Domestic/Crime] UID:50815 Activity:nil
8/7     A victory for Texans!!!
2008/8/6-10 [Politics/Domestic/911, Politics/Domestic/Crime] UID:50797 Activity:nil
8/5     here's an article on how the FBI's case against the dead
        bioweapons scientist is a bunch of crap
        I did think the weird 'he mailed the stuff from a mailbox
        near a sorority' stuff was weird sounding.
        \_ The government pulls this kind of crap all the time, but usually
           they just lie abaout some evidence they planted on some poor
           ass drug dealer, so no one cares.
        \_ We know this much: It was one of 12 scientists in that lab.
           Why not this one? He seems as wacky as any. On top of it, he
           killed himself. I refuse to believe that it was just because of
           the pressure he was under. He did it when the government was
           finally ready to move on him. Or maybe he was really murdered
           by the Mossad. Also, the article seems to give Ivins a lot of
           leeway, insinuating that because he had a legitimate use for a
           lyophilizer he clearly didn't have a nefarious use for it.
           Isn't that what a smart guy would do? Claim to need it for his
           work (which he did) to throw off suspicion?
           work (which he did) to throw off suspicion? Means, motive,
           opportunity. More info released today, btw.
           \_ I remember when suggestions were made back in 2001 that the
              the quality of the Anthrax powder was so good that only the
              US government or perhaps the Russian government could be
              the source, the people saying this were widely dismissed as
              conspiracy theorists. Well, surprise, surprise, surprise, it
              was a US government scientist all along.
              \_ Conspiracy theorists are like a broken clock. If you claim
                 everything is a conspiracy eventually you'll be right.
2008/7/31-8/5 [Politics/Domestic/Crime, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:50745 Activity:nil
7/31    US judge: White House aides can be subpoenaed
        <DEAD>preview.tinyurl.com/6r3epf<DEAD> (Yahoo News, AP story)
        Welcome to contempt, Miers.
        \_ Welcome to PRESIDENTIAL PARDON
        \_ Another loss for Bush and another win for America.
2008/7/29-8/3 [Politics/Domestic/Crime, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:50718 Activity:low
7/29    Place your bets:
         Sen. Stevens of Alaska faces criminal charges
        http://preview.tinyurl.com/6yrtp2 (Yahoo News)
        \_ I knew we should have gotten rid of that dick weed when he
           offered.  -R
           \_ People like that is why I left the party. -I
              \_ huh, people like BUSH-II CHENEY ADDINGTON ROVE is
                 why i left the party.  a little 100k graft never hurt
              \_ Disloyalty is evil                     -Reagan
              \_ Is our children learning?
2008/7/29 [Reference/BayArea, Politics/Domestic/Crime] UID:50714 Activity:nil
7/29    I guess this is a good argument for CCW in church:
        http://preview.tinyurl.com/6nl6nr (SF Gate)
2008/7/25-29 [Politics/Domestic/Crime] UID:50692 Activity:nil
7/25    Geez, Spam King and Family Dead In Murder-Suicide
        \_ Too bad he took innocents with him.
2008/7/25-30 [Politics/Domestic, Politics/Domestic/Crime] UID:50686 Activity:nil
7/25    doing business in russia kind of sucks:
        \_ Yeah, I sold my BP stock because of this crap.
2008/7/16-23 [Politics/Domestic/California/Arnold, Politics/Domestic/Crime] UID:50603 Activity:nil
7/16    Another stupid argument for an armed citizenry
        \_ Hey lefites, if you disagree, feel free to comment, but don't change
           my text. -op
        \_ Hey lefty censors, stop editing my post. -op
        \_ Ok so if the father arms, great. What if 8 men are armed as
           well? Then you end up with a dead father and a raped
           daughter. Fucking trigger happy Conservatives.
            \_i guess liberals like bending over..
              \_ I guess yermom is a liberal then
        \_ Who needs weapons when you have KUNG FU!
2008/7/16-23 [Politics/Domestic, Politics/Domestic/Crime] UID:50600 Activity:nil
7/16    Wow, quite a few errors in the dissent re: the DC gun law
        \_ Wow, quite a few gun nuts need to get a life.
           \_ <img src="read_ayn_rand.jpg">
2008/7/14-17 [Politics/Domestic/Crime] UID:50560 Activity:nil
7/14    Knife crime: 60/day in UK
        http://tinyurl.com/6ytub5 [telegraph]
        Prime minister says theyr'e going to do something about it.
        http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7502569.stm  [bbc]
        \_ Gun deaths: 80/day in the US.
           Gun crime: 1300/day.
        \_ It would be worse if assault knives were legal
2008/7/9-11 [Politics/Domestic/Crime, Politics/Domestic/California] UID:50527 Activity:nil 80%like:50517
7/9     Dallas County meeting gets racial.
        \_ Do we really need every damn freeper article reposted here?
2008/7/9 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Crime] UID:50517 Activity:nil 80%like:50527
7/9     Dallas County meeting gets racial.
2008/7/8-11 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/California/Arnold, Politics/Domestic/Crime] UID:50497 Activity:kinda low
7/8     FREE HANS
        \_ It seems like he has a decent chance of getting out in 15 years.
           Would they let him use computers in jail?
           \_ CA pretty much doesn't give parole to murderers anymore.
              And I suspect his computer use will be pretty much non-
           \_ Only 15 years for strangling his wife?
              \_ 15 to life.  Parole no sooner than 15 years, though the state
                 doesn't tend to grant parole to murderers.
                 \_ I know what the minimum sentence is, but I disagree with
                    the "decent chance of getting out in 15 years" comment.
                    \_ Ok, I made that up. Nevermind.
                 \_ Can't he get 1/3 off for good behaviour? He might be
                    out in 10 years!
                    \_ he won't behave well.  -tom
                 \_ he's being sentenced to 15-to-life, instead of 25-to-life.
                    I don't think it matters at all.  it just means in 15 or
                    25 he is eligible to apply for parole.  So he applies for
                    parole.  The Parole Board makes a decision.  That decision
                    is 'sorry'.  Even if they agree to let him out, the governor
                    has to sign off on it. no CA governor since Pete Wilson
                    has parolled a murderer.  ok i think maybe Arnold just released
                    a woman who killed her rapist abusive husband 30 years ago.
                    I dunno why we even have a goddamn parole board if they don't
                    let anyone out.
                    is 'sorry'.  Even if they agree to let him out, the
                    governor has to sign off on it. no CA governor since Pete
                    Wilson has parolled a murderer.  ok i think maybe Arnold
                    just released a woman who killed her rapist abusive
                    husband 30 years ago. I dunno why we even have a goddamn
                    parole board if they don't let anyone out.
                    \_ We let people out. Just not murderers. Do you think
                       you can rehabilitate a murderer? Some, probably.
                       Most, I wouldn't take a chance on. What's sad is
                       that a lot of sex offenders do get paroled and then go
                       out and repeat offend.
2008/7/8-10 [Politics/Domestic/Crime, Politics/Domestic/President/Reagan] UID:50496 Activity:nil
7/7     The Failures of Neoliberalism:
        \_ That link goes to the Reiser-body article.
           \_ http://dailystaregypt.com/article.aspx?ArticleID=14905
              Someone must have "edited" it.
2008/7/7-10 [Politics/Domestic/Crime, Reference/Military] UID:50489 Activity:kinda low
7/7     Reiser leads police to body of Nina
        http://preview.tinyurl.com/6xwgsg [sfgate]
        \_ i can't believe this is the same reiser of ReiserFS
           \_ then you never met him.
              \_ does he have Asperger's Syndrome and carry a gun like emarkp?
                 \_ At least he doesn't think God talks to him.
                 \_ emarkp is a nice enough guy in person, he just has a
                    ridiculous world view.  Reiser is insane.  -tom
                    \_ Almost all Aspies appear to be nice but have really
                       really warped perception of the world view. Also,
                       almost all Aspies deny that they are Aspies despite
                       rigorous clinical checks. Yeah, typical Aspies.
        \_ carrying your gun into church isnt aspie, it's just stupid.
           \_ Unless it saves your life and the lives of others.
              or, another
              \_ ok i'll give you that.  if you live South Africa, you probably
                 need to carry a gun in some places.  I live in AMERICA.
                 \_ carrying a gun makes the carrier feel safe and everyone
                    else unsafe. Arms race, anyone?
              \_ Cool. I wonder if taser would help in this case. Also,
                 how carrying a handgun helps in cases like the
                 North Hollywood shootout?
                 \_ emarkp's awesome CCW handgun sure would have helped
              \_ typical religious nutcase takes 1-2 examples and say
                 "yes it works!" and also cry out "statistics lie!"
                 Typical Aspies also don't change their view point once
                 they've made up their mind. Hello Aspie emarkp!
                 \_ Hi anonymous troll!  You said "it's just stupid".  I post
                    counter-example.  You go ad hominem.  Thanks for making my
                    point. -emarkp
              \_ http://www.wjactv.com/news/16728776/detail.html
                 Two dead after Clearfield church shooting
                 Shooting outside Cobb church leaves 1 dead
                 Pontiac teen sought for allegedly killing boy at church
                    \_ Oh, this is a good one.  What is a 16-yr old doing with
                       a handgun?
                 One dead after police-involved shooting at Rockwell Church
                 And that's just a trivial Google News search from the
                 past month.  I'll also point out that the Colorado Springs
                 incident was an *armed security guard*, which is a lot
                 different than some random dweeb with a gun.  -tom
                 \_ Incorrectly reported.  She's a *volunteer*.
                    \_ She's a volunteer security guard.
                 \_ These events are pretty random.  The first one is about a
                    guy who went and killed the janitor at a church because the
                    guy was having an affair with his wife.  The second is a
                    guy driving up to a church parking lot and shooting someone
                    there.  The third was a guy who drove into a church parking
                    lot and pointed a gun at the officer, who shot the guy
                    dead.  What do these have to do with anything?
                    \_ I thought the topic was gun deaths.
                       \_ The claim above was that "carrying your gun into
                          church" was stupid.
2008/7/2-6 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Crime] UID:50446 Activity:kinda low
7/2     Why do people CCW or open carry? I mean, in a place such as
        Cupertino or Sausalito, wouldn't you get more disturbances out and
        hastle from open carry than the minute, less than lottery chance
        that you'll heorically save someone from danger?
        \_ Let's see. If you are a Mormon with Asperger's syndrome, you'll
           feel that you're a lot smarter and better and more righteous
           than everyone else and that no one can be trusted. In addition,
           if you live in Chico, you gotta protect yourself because
           everyone else is a nutcase -- they have very different
           "values" and beliefs that you have. So in that respect, it
           totally makes sense to carry a weapon.
        \_ It's worth it so you can finally feel like a man again.
           \_ Is it worth even responding to this crap?
              \_ Wait, there really is some other reason?  Let me guess, you
                 are just waiting for the armed revolution to start so you can
                 go shoot some cops, and it would really suck if you had to go
                 home first casue someone else might have gotten them all?
                 \_ My right to protect myself and my property is
                    constitutionally protected.  Your interpretation is
                    \_ But the right to protect your right to protect yourself
                       and your property is not constitutionally protected.
                       I.e. the constitution can be changed by votes.
                        \_ do you really go to UC Berkeley?
                           \_ Yes I did.  Do you?
                       \_ It has been many years since I took crim law, but
                          iirc, the US Constitution does not require the states
                          to provide any defenses to the accused, i.e. self-
                          defense, defense of of others, and defense of
                          property are all defense provided by state law and
                          are constitutionally protected, if at all, by state
                          constitutions. So, in one sense, your statement is
                          probably correct.
                          In the context of this discussion, I assume that you
                          are referring to 2d amendment personal right(s) to
                          keep and bear arms.  And I assume that you mean that
                          the constitution can be changed via the amendment
                          process.  If so, I think that your statement is only
                          true in a very technical sense because the amendment
                          process operates as designed and prevents any drastic
                          changes from being made to the constitution. We have
                          only used the process 27 times and the 27th amendment
                          was pending was over 200 years. This suggests that
                          the 2d amendment personal rights can considered
                          immutable because amending the constitution to remove
                          the 2d is about as likely as an armed revolution to
                          to overthrow the republic.
                          \_ It's really easy. The EARLIER number amendment
                             the less likely you can challenge it as time
                             goes on.
                    \_ If you are so afraid of the world you can't wander
                       the mean streets of Cupertino without packing lethal
                       force you are laughbly pathetic, constituationally
                       protected or not.
                       \_ I keep a flashlight on my keychain as well.  Does
                          that make me afraid of my own shadow?
                          \_ Do you keep the flashlight around so that if
                             some scary dark looking person comes near you
                             you can shove it in their eyeball while shouting
                             "semper fi motherfucker!"
                             \_ Do you do that with your car instead of riding
                                on the bus?
                       \_ So you don't drive?
                        \_ I sure don't keep a car in my pants in order to
                           keep my dream of getting to run over some dangerous
                           looking feller in the name of justice alive.
                       \_ If you have to rely on someone else to protect you,
                          you're pathetic.
                          \_ See, unlike you I'm not afraid of my shadow, so
                             I don't need to have a gun around as a security
        \_ Dude, you don't know what it is like on the mean streets of
           Cupertino. Jackbooted, BMW-riding Cupertino motorcycle cops
           routinely use their gestapo tactics to ticket jay-walking
           pedestrians who are just trying to save a few minutes on their
           walk to TapX or I Heart Yogurt. Open carry is all that keeps
           the man at bay.
           \_ OpenCarry Yogurt!
2008/7/1-14 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Crime] UID:50436 Activity:nil
7/01    Stevens' dissent in Heller (DC gun ban) has a few factual errors.
        \_ Don't you have a job or something?
2008/6/21-23 [Politics/Domestic/911, Politics/Domestic/Crime] UID:50324 Activity:nil
6/21    The real truth about Libby's perjury:
        "At the end of the day, what appears is that Mr. Libby's story that he
        was at the tail end of a chain of phone calls, passing on from one
        reporter what he heard from another, was not true.
        It was false. He was at the beginning of the chain of phone calls, the
        first official to disclose this information outside the government to
        a reporter. And then he lied about it afterwards, under oath and
        \_ Oh for crying out loud, Armitage was the source of the leak, he's
           even admitted it.
           \_ it does seem like a lot of fuss over a grand plan to discredit
              someone gone horribly wrong.  maybe people should refrain from
              lying to federal prosecutors
2008/6/20-23 [Politics/Domestic/Crime] UID:50321 Activity:moderate
6/20    "About six months ago, they decided to put a hunch to the test.
        Janikowski merged his computer map of crime patterns with Betts's map
        of Section8 rentals. Where Janikowski saw a bunny rabbit, Betts saw a
        sideways horseshoe ...  Otherwise, the match was near-perfect. On the
        merged map, dense violent-crime areas are shaded dark blue, and
        Section8 addresses are represented by little red dots. All of the
        dark-blue areas are covered in little red dots, like bursts of gunfire.
        The rest of the city has almost no dots."
        \_ The conclusion here is depressingly obvious.  If you take people
           who want to get out of the project out, they do well.  If you push
           out people who don't want to leave, they do poorly. Suprise!
           out people who don't want to leave, they do poorly. Surprise!
           \_ There's another inteteresting issue:  what do you do when your
              research points to results that are ugly, un-pc or unpopular?
              \_ You publish them.  Why is that interesting or an issue?
                 \_ Tell that to the global warming drones.
                    \_ That's right: global warming's a myth, and The Man is
                       preventing the truth from coming out. Also see:
                       Flat Earthers and the Lone Gunmen.
        \_ One interesting verified implication of this article is that
           the inner cities are becoming safer while some suburbs are starting
           to have more crime. I wonder if this is already accellerating the
           return of middle-class/affluent non-minorities to the inner cities.
           I think this is already happening in some cities (maybe Oakland and
           \_ What is a "non-minority"?
        \_ And therefore... what? The implication seems to be that Section 8
           leads directly to crime, and the not-so-subtle inference drawn
           therefrom seems to be that poor people are criminals. Cf. theories
           of moral turpitude in the Bowery circa the 19th century for more
           unsupported suppositions.
           \_ If we had less poverty, we would probably have less crime. This
              theory works in Northern Europe.
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