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2022/08/19 [General] UID:1000 Activity:popular

2012/10/17-12/4 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:54503 Activity:nil
10/17   This is how election photo ops are created.
        http://www.csua.org/u/xzu (news.yahoo.com)
        \_ "Soup kitchen in Ryan photo op losing donors" http://www.csua.org/u/y0z
           Thank you Ryan!  Thank you very much!
        \_ http://americablog.com/2012/10/romney-ryan-supporters-destroy-photo-opp-soup-kitchen.html
2012/10/12-12/4 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:54497 Activity:nil
10/12   "Climate Solution: Pay True Cost of Fossil Fuels, NASA Scientist Says"
        http://www.csua.org/u/xyg (news.yahoo.com)
        \_ Sounds great, but it would be easier (though by no means easy)
           to end the $5bn in fossil fuel tax subsidies the US has in place.
           And that's merely a third of what we as a nation spend to
           subsidize fossil fuels.
           \_ What other kind of subsidies are there?
        \_ The GOP will never let it happen.
           \_ It's strange that while the GOP supports low tax and small
              government spending in general, they support taxing for the
              purpose of subsidizing gasoline.  Hypocracy?  -- OP
              \_ Old Boy Network: protect the rich, and steal from the
                 less rich. Cf. the I-didn't-need-gubmint-money malarkey.
           \_ you mean the Democraps can never make it happen because
              they're pussies?
              \_ You'd need a real slash-and-burn hard-nose reformer to
                 do the job, and that would guarantee a one-term
                 presidency. No career politician could do it (with the
                 possible exception of Kucinich, but then we're just
                 being silly).
              \_ It would require a filibuster proof majority in The
                 Senate, along with The House and The Presidency.
                 This ain't happening.
2012/10/7-11/7 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:54494 Activity:nil
10/7    In practice, how long are HIGH SCHOOL transcript kept? I'm asking
        because I'm wondering if people can dig up my shady past.
        I was a bad kid.
        \_ I would doubt that they are ever destroyed. What would you
           do about it in any case? Try not to worry too much about
           things you have no control over.
        \_ Pretty much irrelevant once you have your degree, a job, and
           a decade between you and it, unless you want a job with the
           FBI, in which case they're going to get more info from your
           former schoolmates than your school is likely to share anyway.
           \_ what if I get into politics and someone digs up my transcript
              and history of shady things and post it online?
              \_ You can preemptively post your past at the beginning of your
                 political career.  Plus you can use your coming-clean and
                 apparent "rebirth" as a selling point.  --- !PP
              \_ If you get into politics and all it takes to get people to
                 vote *against* you is your high school transcript, then you
                 have provided utterly no reason for them to vote *for* you.
                 \_ #1 mistake in politics: ignoring emotional appeals to
              \_ If Obama can hide his Harvard college transcripts this long,
                 then I would imagine you would be able to keep your high
                 school transcripts secret.
              \_ Repeat of previous answer: they're going to get more info
                 from your former schoolmates than your school is likely
                 to share.
                 \_ my schoolmates love me, but my teachers hated me.
                    so I guess I just need to wait eh?          -op
                    \_ Well, let's just say you don't want to run on
                       what people thought of you in school, then.
2012/6/22-7/20 [Politics/Domestic/California, Science/GlobalWarming] UID:54420 Activity:nil
6/22    "Study: The U.S. could be powered by 80% green energy in 2050"
        http://www.csua.org/u/wtz  (news.yahoo.com)
        \_ How many Republicans does it take to make green energy?
           -150,000,000! Ding ding ding!
           \_ Because having control of the White House and both houses of
              Congress wasn't enough (ie, the do nothing and blame the
              Republicans period after the 2008 elections) ?  That's what it
              takes for the Democrats to get anything done?  A complete
              absence of any opposition at all?  Sure.
              \_ Never underestimate Dems ability to get nothing done if it
                 requires cooperation, but ignoring repeated threats of
                 filibuster on the part of the GOP and still blaming the
                 Dems for getting nothing done is perverse. -!op
              \_ Obama spent far too long trying to get the GOP to sign
                 off on some kind of health care reform, I agree. But even
                 with 60 Dems, he could not get anything significant done
                 on climate change because a few Democrats from coal states
                 were not on board.
2012/5/6-6/4 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:54382 Activity:nil
5/6     "'Positive Bias' May Be Hurting Minority Students"
        http://www.csua.org/u/wb0 (news.yahoo.com)
2011/12/29-2012/2/6 [Politics/Domestic/California, Health/Disease/General] UID:54275 Activity:nil
12/29   "Venezuela's Chavez: Did U.S. give Latin American leaders cancer?"
        Looks like Chavez has more faith in US technology than Americans do.
2011/8/14-27 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/President] UID:54163 Activity:nil
8/11    What happened to the anti-government dude?
        "A recent report from the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities
         showed that nearly all states will spend less on vital services in
         2012 than they did in 2008, after inflation, even though there
         are more children in public schools and more poor people on the
         Medicaid rolls."
        You must be overjoyed with how the economy is going right now.
        \_ Starve the beast.
2022/08/19 [General] UID:1000 Activity:popular

2011/7/26-8/6 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:54144 Activity:nil
7/26    Oregon Congressman David Wu says he's resigning - Yahoo! News:
        "Democratic Rep. David Wu of Oregon has announced that he is resigning
        in the wake of allegations that he had a sexual encounter with an
        18-year-old woman."
        Given that:
        1. The Age of Consent in Oregon is 18,
        2. He filed for separation from his wife two years ago,
        why did he need to resign?
        \_ You'll never get it.
           \_ By hook or by crook we will.
        \_ "allegations he engaged in 'aggressive and unwanted sexual
            behavior' with a young woman."
            http://www.csua.org/u/tvu (cbsnews)
            \_ I see.  I guess Yahoo News (Associated Press) didn't tell the
               whole story.  -- OP
            \_ I know I am a sick puppy, but what exactly went on here?
               I want details, the more lurid the better.
        \_ "Amid the frenzy of arm-twisting, debate and reporters swarming
            like bees in a sunflower garden, Representative David Wu, the
            Oregon Democrat who resigned this week amid a sex scandal, sat
            peacefully on the balcony off the speaker’s lobby, awaiting the
            last votes of his career and pulling on a stogie."
            http://is.gd/IMRgL9 [nytimes]
2011/7/5-13 [Politics/Domestic/California, Reference/Law/Court] UID:54138 Activity:nil
7/5     "Motorcyclist crashes in helmet law protest, dies"
        http://www.csua.org/u/tqr (news.yahoo.com)
        How ironic.  He got what he fought for.
2011/6/27-7/13 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:54132 Activity:nil
6/27    "Inflatable Shark Among 300 New Species Discovered in Philippines"
        http://www.csua.org/u/tp8 (beta.news.yahoo.com)
        No, not the rubber kind.
2011/4/17-7/30 [Politics/Domestic/California, Reference/Tax] UID:54087 Activity:nil
4/17    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_no_taxes
        "The super rich pay a lot less taxes than they did a couple of decades
        ago, and nearly half of U.S. households pay no income taxes at all."
        And people are still complaining about taxes being too high.
        \_ yeah but only 3 out of the 5 people who aren't rich but complain
           are actually counted.
2010/11/19-2011/1/13 [Politics/Domestic/California, Reference/Tax] UID:53989 Activity:nil
11/19   "Millionaires to Obama: Tax us" - Yahoo! News:
        \_ People to Millionaires:  "You can submit as much tax as you like!"
           \_why pay more into SS if you are getting the same out of it as the other guy?
             \_ Your reading comprehension sucks.  If they want to be taxed
                more, they're free to pay more in taxes without forcing other
                people to do so.  I don't see anything in the original article
                about SS, do you?
                \_ That's about as clever as "if you don't like abortion,
                   don't have one" or "gays can marry, they just can't marry
                   people of the same sex."  Actually, it's not even that
                   \_ What the millionaires mean is: "Tax *other* millionaires"
                      \_ No, they mean tax all millionaires, including us.
2010/11/15-2011/1/13 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Immigration] UID:53992 Activity:nil
11/15   "CA Supreme Court ...... ruled that illegal immigrants are entitled to
        the same tuition breaks offered to in-state high school students to
        attend public colleges and universities."
        Not only do illigal immigrants enjoy the same benefits as citizens
        (not to mention legal immigrants), they can actually enjoy more
        benefits than some citizens.
        \_ Classic variable mislabeling error: you're confusing
           "citizens of the United States who reside in California" with
           "citizens of the United States," and failing to distinguish
           between "illegal immigrants who reside in California" and
           "illegal immigrants." Also, you're confusing "citizen" and
           "resident," as in "benefits of being a citizen of the United
           States" versus "benefits of being a resident of California."
           Of course, you could have avoided this confusion entirely by
           simply writing, "Achtung! Papers, please!"
           \_ I guess no UC funding comes from the Federal Government, right?
              -- OP
              \_ the clue is weak in this one
2010/11/2-2011/1/13 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/President/Reagan] UID:54001 Activity:nil
11/2    California Uber Alles is such a great song
        \_ Yes, and it was written about Jerry Brown. I was thinking this
           as I cast my vote for Meg Whitman. I am independent, but I
           typically vote Democrat (e.g., I voted for Boxer). However, I
           can't believe we elected this retread.
           \_ You voted for the billionaire that ran HP into the ground
              and then tried to buy the job of CA governor? Really?
              I almost voted Green or Libertarian, but never once thought
              of voting for Whitman.
              \_ wrong billionaire.
                 \_ Sorry, couldn't tell the difference.
                    \_ Makes a big difference. I hated Fiorina when she was
                       CEO at HP. I hate her even more now that I know her
                       backwards politics. However, Whitman is a RINO. She
                       endorsed Gore. She opposed Bush on global warming.
                       She supported Boxer's 2004 campaign. I am not
                       saying I love the woman, but *JERRY BROWN*? Been
                       there, did that, was not that great. As for her
                       money, I actually prefer people spend their own
                       fortunes instead of owing a thousand political favors
                       in exchange for donations. Face it, most candidates
                       are trying to buy the election on some level and
                       the ones that aren't don't get very far. You are so
                       informed you couldn't even separate Whitman from
                       Fiorina so I hope you didn't vote.
        \_ Your point about having a politician who is beholden to no one
           because she didnt need to accept any donations is interesting. I
           never thought of that one before.  I really don't think she was
           qualified in anyway though.  she flipflopped her way around
           WHILE running for governor and hadn't even voted for decades.
           On the plus side, she proved she will kick your ass, physically,
           if you mess with her.
                       \_ After experiencing eight years of Bush I know
                          enough to never vote for a Republican.
                          \_ Sounds pretty closed-minded. I agree that Bush was
                             an idiot, but I am not going to shut out 50%
                             of candidates based solely on party affiliation.
                             You'll realize how silly you sound if/when
                             you grow up.
                             \_ I am old enough to learn from my mistakes.
                                When will you learn?
                                \_ Voting for a candidate based solely on
                                   a D or R next their name means you
                                   have a long way to go.
                                   \_ No, the GOP has been universally venal
                                      and/or incompetent for a long time. I
                                      thought about it some more and decided
                                      that if the GOP somehow actually elects
                                      a decent leader (in spite of my vote
                                      against them) who ends up doing a good
                                      job tackling real problems, I would
                                      be willing to reconsider my stance. But
                                      after watching bad and then worse
                                      leadership from them, I have no confidence
                                      in their collective decision making.
                                      Give me a Republican president at least
                                      as good as Reagan or Clinton or a
                                      CA governor that is halfway decent and I
                                      give them another look. But it is hard
                                      to see this happening anytime soon.
                                      Btw, it is quite a bit of difference to
                                      "vote for a candidate based solely on
                                      [party affiliation]" and refusing to
                                      vote for a candidate based on party
                                      affiliation. Hopefully you can see the
                                      difference. I expect to vote for quite
                                      a few Green and Libertarian candidates
                                      in the future.
                                      \_ Wasn't Reagan a Republican President
                                         as good as Reagan? And GH Bush
                                         wasn't bad. GWB is the only bad
                                         example in the last 40 years.
                                         \_ Bush, Cheney, DeLay, Rove, the
                                            whole crowd has been terrible for
                                            at least a decade. And the ones I
                                            see them bringing up as future
                                            leaders (Palin, really?) seem
                                            even worse. Lincoln was a good
                                            Republican President too but he
                                            doesn't say much about the GOP
                                            today. Same with Reagan, he was
                                            elected what, almost 30 years ago?
                                            Today's Republican Party would run
                                            a common sense pragmatist like
                                            Reagan out of the party.
                                            \_ What about, I dunno, Meg
                                \_ http://preview.tinyurl.com/2gyqr8d (LA Times)
                                   "Strikingly, almost one in five California
                                    voters said they would never cast a ballot
                                    for a Republican." Not that nutty an idea,
                                    it turns out.
        \_ The republican party got us into a (seemed a good idea at the time)
           war in Afghanistan and with my laser like hindsight a completely
           unecessary conflict in Iraq.  And they accept no responsibility.
           And shitheads in SF riot over a baseball game, but not an election.
           \_ Dems in Congress were in favor of the wore on terra as well
              \_ Some Dems. A majority voted against it. Well against the
                 Iraq invasion, at least. I think they all voted for the
                 "Patriot" Act.
2010/9/17-30 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:53960 Activity:low
9/17    "Report: Los Angeles spent $70 million in stimulus funds to create
        7.76 jobs"
        Yes, that's seven-point-seven-six jobs.
        http://www.csua.org/u/rmu (news.yahoo.com)
        \_ It is Obama's fault?
           \_ Then:  The Buck Stops Here
               Now:  Is it my fault?
        \_ http://www.globalideasbank.org/site/bank/idea.php?ideaId=904
           The Great Recession is even more sad when you realize they have
           the answer.
           \_ I like the turndown, so many things are cheap now, including
              maids, gardners, hookers 'n' blow!
           \_ It was the fact that the community or regional money could be
              used to pay taxes [...] that made it acceptable and successful.
              That is true for all currency, btw. The Fed is inflating the
              money supply as fast as it dares.
              \_ But they're not giving negative interest rates on the money.
                 The whole point of Borgl was to make people spend.
        \_ I <3 my trustfund.  Best times for it. :-)
        \_ Stimulus saved 3M+ jobs, kept economy from second recession says
           non-partisan CBO:
2010/9/15-30 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:53959 Activity:nil
9/15    Obama, a Democrat, wants to cut tax, while Greenspan, a Republican,
        wants to raise tax.  Go figure.
        \_ Every now and then wrestlers change from Face to Heel, it's all
           part of the Kayfabe.
        \_ Astonishingly enough, not every Republican nor every Democrat is
           in lockstep agreement on all issues.
           \_ But here we're talking about the top Democrat and the ex-top
              financial Republican.
              financial Republican.  -- OP
2010/8/29-9/30 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Immigration] UID:53942 Activity:kinda low
8/29    OC turning liberal, maybe there is hope for CA afterall:
        \_ and the state is slowly turning conservative. Meg 2010!
           \_ We will see. Seems unlikely.
        \_ Yeah, because CA sure has a problem with not enough dems in power!
           If only dems had been running the state for the last 40 years!
           \_ Yes, if only they'd been running the state for the last 40
              years without the GOP blocking every goddamn budget that
              made sense. Blaming the party in power when you keep holding
              them up is a shameful charade.
           \_ CA is doing pretty well compared to most of the nation, believe
              it or not.
        \_ Big parts of OC (like Stabba Ana) turning into a barrio does
           not bode well for California.
           \_ Sure it does, immigrants have always revitalized America.
              The newest wave is no different.
              \_ So you think that the entire State becoming a slum except
                 for a few gated communities here and there is revitalization?
                 Previous immigrants had much different values than the
                 current immigrants do. I do agree that immigrants will
                 help run our economic engine so that we don't become a
                 dying nation like Japan, but the American standard-of-living
                 is taking a dive as all of these Third World immigrants
                 bring their Third World philosophies, diseases, and
                 values into our nation. I see a big difference between
                 Polish Jews, Irish, and even Chinese as compared to
                 immigrants from Africa and Central America - and I don't
                 mean skin color.
                 \_ "Third World philosophies, diseases, and values"
                    Er, WTF?
                    \_ Diseases like tuberculosis are making a reappearance
                       thanks to our new immigrant friends.  Let's just say
                       that immigrants from Japan and immigrants from El
                       Salvador don't bring the same things to the table.
                       There are very large cultural and religious differences.
                       There are large differences in attitudes towards the
                       treatment of women, human rights, education, the role
                       of government, etc.  It is part of the reason why
                       these countries are they way thay they are. If this is
                       these countries are the way they are. If this is
                       not obvious to you I won't waste my time explaining.
                       \_ You sound exactly like the Know Nothing bigots who
                          hated the Irish and Italians at the turn of the 19th
                          century. And the anti-Asian racists who had the
                          Japanese put in internment camps during WW-II.
                          The new immigrants will join American society just
                          fine and renew America with the integration of their
                          values with ours. This is especially true for Latin
                          American immigrants. I don't know who all these
                          African immigrants are that you claim are coming
                          to America, but America still has a problem with
                          race that needs working on.
                          \_ As you point out yourself, America has a problem
                             with race. It was much easier for Irish to
                             assimilate than it will be for Africans and
                             Latinos and this is one of the reasons (but
                             not the only reason) why.
                       \_ El Salvador? Are you nuts? The El Salvadoran
                          immigrant population mostly fled dictators and
                          death squads, and they're a hell of a lot more
                          committed to a free and democratic US than you
                          are. El Salvador is the way it is now because
                          WE, the US, supported dictators and death
                          squads. That's a matter of record. Look up
                          declassified documents on the CIA in El Salvador
                          in the 60s for more.
                          \_ Yes, El Salvador would be a First World nation
                             if not for US involvement in their affairs.
                       \_ Diseases like tb are making a resurgence because
                          we have a failing health care system. Poor folks
                          can't afford to get immunized, and rich folks
                          are buying up Cipro-- and then not using the
                          right doses to kill whatever bugs they do have,
                          resulting in drug-resistant strains of tb. Also,
                          do you know what you have to do to get a visa
                          in the US? Get a raft of shots and medical
                          exams. As for illegals, haven't you been
                          reading that illegal immigrants have been
                          returning to their countries of origins in
                          record numbers? If any of this is not obvious
                          to you, please, by all means, ask for more
                          \_ Yeah, soon there won't be any illegal immigrants
                             left here. You know, I have a bridge for sale
                             you might be interested in.
2010/8/17-9/7 [Politics/Domestic/California, Industry/Jobs] UID:53926 Activity:nil
8/17    Private sector growing, public sector shrinking:
        \_ starve the beast!
        \_ why do  they never count the armed forces as employment
2010/7/27-8/25 [Politics/Domestic/California, Reference/Tax] UID:53900 Activity:nil
7/25    Is there a polite way to tell a recruiter "too busy at the moment
        but keep me in mind for future stuff."  Or  "not in that field at
        this exact moment but am switching positions over the next few
        months for your role, keep me in mind" ?  Thx.
        \_ You know what, recruiters have thick skins.  You won't hurt
           their feelings.  Go ahead, try, you can't possibly get them down.
           Tell them you have a job, and you'll keep them in mind next
           time you are unemployed.
        \_ I think you have it right there. Recruiters in general don't mind
           it if you are direct with them.
        \_ I had THREE different recruiters from Amazon at different
           quarters. Each time, I tell them "Sorry I have no interest
           in going to Seattle." The third time, I told them "I hate
           Seattle and if you want to attract real talent, setup an
           office in Silicon Valley. Stop bothering me." I finally
           got them to stop.
           \_ A co-worker of mine requested to be transferred from here to the
              Seattle branch of the company in the '90s so that he could avoid
              paying state income tax and maybe state capital gain tax on his
              huge stock earnings.
              \_ Word. Not to mention stupid CA laws.
              \_ I know a few people who moved to .ca just for that reason too.
2010/7/15-8/11 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:53885 Activity:nil
7/15    "Mom jailed over sex with 14-year-old son"
        \_ I just bought a hot homeless teen runaway lunch.
           Am i going to jail?
           \_ Was she 18?
        \_ FYI people "MILF" doesn't always mean what you think it means.
           \_ What else can it mean?
              \_ Pirates with guns, for example.
                 \_ Lol it don't mean that in California, and CA CA CA is
                    the Standard Culture Defination!
                    \_ ObTravel.
                       \_ Why would I leave CA?
                          \_ F. CA, Why would I leave SF?
                             \_ Lol why would I leave Mission Bay?
                                \_ I blog all the time from my room.
        \_ Reminds me of John Phillips and his daughter.
2010/6/30-7/8 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:53871 Activity:nil
6/30    http://securityarms.com/20010315/galleryfiles/2100/2166.htm
        (is this legal in CA? asking because of the long barrel)
2010/6/22-7/8 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:53866 Activity:nil
6/21    There are 7 Lee's Sandwiches in San Jose and one in Sunnyvale. Which
        one is the original one?
        \_ None of the above.
           "The family came together and developed this new concept and opened
           the first store in Southern California on Bolsa Avenue in
           Westminster, CA."
           Or you can check the "Open Since" dates for the current locations at
2010/6/9-30 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:53857 Activity:nil
6/8     I cannot believe Carly Fiorina is a legitimate candidate. I would
        sooooooo love to vote out Boxer, but Carly completely ruined HP.
        \_ The Republican party shall rise again!
        \_ Much as the left has realized that, in the realm of pundrity, they
         can field loud, ignorant, blowhards just as well as the right, so
         has the right evidently realized that they too can field an
         incompetent bitch to run for Senator.
        \_I would rather them have run Kim Polese:
2010/6/7-30 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:53852 Activity:nil
6/7     http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/06/05/MNSG1DQ1BL.DTL&feed=rss.news_pageone
        White population is declining. In other news, whities who are threatened
        by the hispanic population are moving to Arizona. News at 11.
        \_ B2C used to mean "business to consumer," now it means
           "Back to Cleveland"
           \_ Are Cleveland people as racist as people in Arizona?
           \- Do you know about FILTH: Failed in London, Try Hong Kong
2010/5/28-6/30 [Politics/Domestic/California, Reference/Tax] UID:53846 Activity:nil
5/28    Libertarians: yes yes yes charities do work! Screw government
        and taxes, rely on charities!
        \_hun?  What is your point here?? People haven't voluntarily
          donated a lot towards paying of our 13 trillion dollar fed. debt?
          This is directed at libertarians why?  (I can assure you that they
          are not surprised at this fact).  Do you think I should be
          donating to pay for your war/corporate welfare/etc.?  The
          gubmnt has stolen enough from my children without me volunteering
          more of their money.  Really, what the hell are you thinking?
          I don't get it.
        \_ Charity != voluntary overpayment of taxes
2010/5/17-26 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:53837 Activity:nil
5/13    Any opinions on the new AZ law? I think it will negatively impact
        California. We need to pass our equivalent ASAP.
        \_ why don't you just leave the US if you hate freedom so much
           \_ Agreed.  We deserve freedom of breaking laws.
        \_ Halt! Aus pass! Welkommen ein Kalifornia!
           \_ Kalifornia Uber Alles!
        \_ I doubt it will survive a Constitutional challange.
           \_ Really?  So the equivalent federal law is also unconstitutional?
              \_ There is a federal law that says you have to surrender your
                 papers to any cop if he suspects that you are illegal and
                 that you are subject to arrest if you don't carry them?
2010/5/17-26 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:53832 Activity:nil
5/14    Where's the guy who kept claiming that the CA state budget always
        grew faster than inflation adjusted per capita?
2010/4/21-5/10 [Politics/Domestic/California, Computer/Networking] UID:53796 Activity:nil
4/21    "Your fastest Internet in the world is found in Berkeley, CA"
         http://www.csua.org/u/qlt (arstechnica.com)
        \_ lies, damned lies, statistics, and pandering to the crowd.
2010/4/15-5/10 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:53786 Activity:nil
4/15    Guess who is not on this list (States with worst projected deficits):
        \_ Don't know how CA missed that list; we're looking at a $20B deficit
           on $82.9B spending (24.1%)  -tom
           \_ Even if that number is accurate, it makes California #7. That's
              enlightening given the attenion California has received.
2010/2/21-3/9 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Foreign/Asia/China] UID:53716 Activity:nil
2/19    Gee.  I thought Woods was half black and half Thai.  But actually he's
        1/4 Chinese + 1/4 Thai + 1/4 African American + 1/8 Native American +
        1/8 Dutch.  http://tigerwoods-information.com/family
        \_ Hybrid superiority.
           \_ This is why colonial food is more awesome than ethnic food.
        \_ I didn't know that Jimmy Page of the Yardbirds, Led Zeppelin, etc
           and a bazillion AWESOME rock riffs is.... 1/4 chinese.
           \_ URLp?
2010/1/28-2/8 [Politics/Domestic/California, Computer/SW/Security] UID:53673 Activity:nil
1/28    Asians on Facebook:
2010/1/11-19 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Foreign/Europe] UID:53622 Activity:nil
1/11    Social democracy and economic growth are not incompatible:
        \_ SOCIALISM ( yes i did read it )
           \_ Krugman == socialist?
              \_ Obama = Socialist
2009/12/25-2010/1/19 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:53603 Activity:nil
12/24   Why San Francisco and union and government suck:
        \_ http://www.burbed.com/2010/01/03/san-francisco-richer-and-richer-and-richer
           San Francisco to become richer and richer and richer. It's
           Disneyland for adults! YAY!!!
        \_ No doubt that there is plenty of corruption in San Francisco that
           should be cleaned up, but it is a drop in the bucket compared to
           the intitutionalized corruption that the GOP encouraged under the
           Bush Administration. Which Mish of course turned a blind eye to.
           SF is actually gaining public school students btw, and I am not
           clear as to why a city getting wealthier and wealthier is supposed
           to be a bad thing.
           \_ The link is a summary of the article in the SF Weekly.  Maybe you
              shouldn't blame Bush for everything.  Perhaps we can agree that
              corruption is bad, and try to address that?
              \_ That is what I said. Both parties are corrupt, the GOP
                 even worse than the Democrats. What are you doing about it
                 other than posting links to the motd?
                 \_ the party that is in power or one that is powerful is
                    usually the one that is corrupt. I give the D party
                    3 more years before it implodes just like the R party.
                    \_ You are basically right, though I think it will take
                       more like 12-14 years. How long was from the election
                       of Reagan until Tom DeLay was brought down?
2009/11/10-19 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/SocialSecurity] UID:53516 Activity:low
11/9    http://www.businessinsider.com/the-20-most-unemployed-cities-2009-11#15-san-francisco-california-6
        Most unemployed cities in America
        \_ The actual city of San Francisco has quite a bit lower unemployment
           rate, he must be using the metropolitan area (and the one that
           includes Oakland, not the one that includes San Mateo)
           \_ How about San Jose, is that including Gilroy?
              \_ are you a moron? San Jose - Sunnyvale - Santa Clara
2009/11/9-19 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Foreign/Europe] UID:53515 Activity:nil
11/9    http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2009/11/free-market-capitalism-gets-thumbs-down-in-27-countries-including-us.html
        Most people think Free Market is not fine the way it is
        and needs some adjustment/tuning.
        \_ Why don't you move to France, you Cheese Eating Surrender Monkey?
        \_ Tuning in their favor no doubt.
           \_ obviously. the emotion is not too different than that
              that which fueled the French revolution
              \_ I mean "tuned in their own favor" versus "for the common
                 good". I think the French Revolution was more of the latter.
                 \_ who determines that? the people who revolt or
                    the people who were revolted? Do you give each
                    individual an equal weight?
                    \_ The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.
                       However, I think that these people who think the
                       free market needs tuning are mostly thinking about
                       themselves and not the common good.
                       \_ don't you think most people in this world (e.g.
                          most are 3rd world countries) think about
                          themselves much more than they think about
                          others? Have you been to China and Brazil?
                          \_ Yes, I do think so, which is why I think the
                             results of the poll are meaningless to use
                             as a guideline to set economic policy.
2009/10/22-11/3 [Politics/Domestic/California, Science/GlobalWarming] UID:53463 Activity:nil
10/22   State of Utah saved $4.1M in one year by switching to 4day-10hr work
        weeks: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/ut_four_day_workweek (Not to mention
        the commute time saved.)
        Maybe the State of CA (a much bigger body) and our private employers
        can do the same.
        \_ We did this at work and maybe they saved money, but they also
           receive less for the money they spend. Lots of people were
           working 9 or 10 hours every day anyway. They still do, but now they
           just don't come in on Friday. Productivity seems way down. In
           fact, in order to meet a big deadline on a particular project
           that project's management made everyone on that task switch to
           a regular work week. What does that say? YMMV.
           \_ Do you work in a government office? I am guesing that most
              govt employees are not working 9-10 hours/day.
              \_ Actually, I do work for the government. However, I will
                 agree this is probably atypical for the government.
           \_ The article says that the biggest savings for Utah came not from
              energy saving or janitoral service reduction, but from overtime
              pay saving.  So it won't work for positions that don't pay
              \_ It assumes people were working paid overtime to begin with
                 and now they will not because the work day is so long.
                 However, I wouldn't argue that the productivity is the
                 same. The article says: "They're getting what they need
                 to get done in 10 hours and going home" with the
                 implication being that they used to be there more than
                 40 hours but got no more work done in that time. I doubt it.
                 I think money is being saved, but less work is being done
                 as a result. People are not suddenly using their time
                 more productively unless the whole overtime thing was a
                 fiasco to begin with where people stayed to get
                 time-and-a-half in which case they could have just as easily
                 said: "No more overtime" and stayed on 5/40. This is not
                 a benefit of the short work week per se.
2009/10/20-11/3 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Crime] UID:53457 Activity:high
10/20   "Ending death penalty could save US millions: study"
        "...... the cost to the state to reach that one execution is 30
        million dollars"
        I used to be pro death penalty because I thought it's cheaper than
        life without possibility of parole (p.s. especially with the health
        care cost of $40k/yr per prisoner that was in the news a couple months
        ago).  But now I'm not sure.
        \_ It is clearly not cheaper.  -tom
           \_ It would be cheaper if we just got on with it already.
              \_ But we can't and shouldn't, so it's clearly not cheaper. -tom
                 \_ We can and we should. See how easy that is?
                    \_ Yes, it's quite easy to execute innocent people.  -tom
                       \_ if DNA proves guilt, kill. if not, life sentence.
                       \_ You think jailing innocent people for life is better?
                          Let's just not jail anyone in case we made a mistake.
                          \_ Plenty of innocent people "jailed for life" end up
                             being released after new evidence comes to light.
                             Hard to bring someone back to life though.
                             138 death-row inmates have been released since
                             1971.  The failure cost of the death penalty is
                             much higher than the failure cost of prison.  -tom
                             \_ I think I'd rather be wrongly executed than
                                rot in prison for 60 years after being wrongly
                                imprisoned. Jail and the people in it are that
                                unpleasant. What *really* sits wrong with
                                me is when criminals *beg* to be executed
                                and we don't do it. Let's execute those
                                people ASAP and set a reasonable period
                                where evidence can be brought to light for
                                everyone else: lets say 10 years. I don't
                                want to pay for some "death row" type guy
                                to be in prison from age 22 to 82. Charles
                                Manson should not be an expense to me
                                right now.
                                \_ If you had a 10-year limit, you would
                                   only have executed 65 of the 138 innocent
                                   people.  Good job!  -tom
                                   \_ I'm not going to worry about 65 people
                                      out of the 2.5 million in jail. As I
                                      said, it's not any better to wrongly
                                      rot in jail. It's not like you are
                                      going to find all wrongfully
                                      convicted people with or without the
                                      death penalty. I believe the justice
                                      system works and works better than
                                      ever in this age of DNA evidence.
                                      Your argument is that the justice
                                      system makes a mistake 5% of the time
                                      in capital cases. I _really_ doubt that
                                      figure given the extensive appeals
                                      process. BTW, the average length of
                                      time between sentencing and
                                      exoneration for those wrongfully
                                      convicted is 7 years. So if you
                                      think 10 cuts it too close let's
                                      make it 20. I just threw a number
                                      out there.
                                      \_ At this point you're just trolling;
                                         if you were really wrongfully
                                         accused and had the option of 12
                                         years in jail and instant death,
                                         you would take death?  The idea
                                         is absurd.  Let's leave it at,
                                         the death penalty is more expensive
                                         than life in prison and will remain
                                         so despite the efforts of nutjobs
                                         like you, so you can't argue that
                                         the death penalty costs less than
                                         the alternative.  -tom
                                         \_ The death penalty is only more
                                            expensive because of nutjobs
                                            like you who are concerned that 65
                                            out of millions of convictions
                                            over the last 30 years might
                                            actually be innocent. You
                                            waste a lot of money on such
                                            statistical insignificance.
                                            Accept that the justice system
                                            works and stop wasting time
                                            defending *tried and convicted*
                                            death row inmates. If this
                                            were 1709 I'd be right with
                                            you, but the system is not as
                                            corrupt as it used to be and
                                            works very well as your own
                                            numbers attest to.
                                            \_ Millions were convicted of
                                               murder? Probably not. I wonder
                                               what the false positive rate
                                               in convictions is. Any idea?
        \_ The article doesn't say.  Is it also so expensive in Texas, where
           there do a lot of it?
        \_ You know why California has a prison problem? Because of
           fucking idiots like you who think it's cheaper to keep a
           person alive than to execute them. I have a better
           solution, just offshore the job to China. They can do it
           far more efficiently. It really pisses me off seeing a
           headline like this. Hand control of Oakland to China and
           the crime situation will disappear and innocent people will
           stop dying. Fucking US criminal justice system.
           \_ California has 678 death row inmates; you could execute them
              all tomorrow and we'd still have a prison problem.  -tom
              \_ My point is we should execute a lot more people. Like
                 the 10 or 20 who gang raped the Richmond school girl.
                 A bullet in their head is the best message we can
                 send to those fuckers in Richmond and Oakland.
                 Innocent people suffer and die when you have a
                 criminal justice system that doesn't get rid of
                 \_ I think we should get out the guilloitine and start
                    chopping off the heads of all of Goldman Sachs and
                    the CEOs of AGI, Bank of America and all the other
                    the CEOs of AIG, Bank of America and all the other
                    fools who have caused much more suffering than the
                    Richmond rapists. But I am not holding my breath
                    for the world to come around to my point of view.
        \_ http://www.economist.com/world/unitedstates/displayStory.cfm?story_id=14699746
2009/9/24-10/8 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/California/Arnold] UID:53398 Activity:nil
9/24    WALKOUT!
        \_ Education should be free, somebody else should pay for me!
           \_ the only "free" education is self-education. someone has to
               pay for it.
               \_ The person who receives it, of course.
           \_ Education is an investment in the future. The State of California
              spent a lot of money educating me, which I have already repaid
              many times.
        \_ Man, this article is full of all kinds of funnies.
           "I'm [trying to tell] that it's your right to walk out."  It's
           also your right not to go to school, what's your point?
           "Faculty urged the walkout" ahhh, right.
           \_ Faculty did urge the walkout; it started as a letter from
              a UC-wide group of faculty, mostly complaining that the
              regents didn't listen to the academic senates, who wanted
              furloughs to include instructional days.  But I'm not sure
              who they group today is really protesting against.  (It should
              be Arnie and the rest of the Jarvisites).  -tom
              \_ Sorry, by "ahhh, right." I meant "that explains a lot."
2009/9/16-24 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:53373 Activity:nil
9/16    When installing a three-prong electric socket, should the ground prong
        be on the top, on the bottom, or either way?  All the sockets at my
        home have the ground pins on the bottom, but a electrician told me
        that the ground pins should be on the top.  Thanks.
        \_ It doesn't really matter, but most three-prong plugs will hang
           better with the ground prong on top.  -tom
           \_ Wall warts hang a lot better with the ground prong on bottom.
              And a polorized wall wart without a ground pin hangs for shit
              if it's upsidedown.
        \_ The "traditional" way is to put the grounding prong on the bottom.
           Some electricians prefer to put it on top, with the reasoning that
           if something conductive slips between the plug and the wall, it will
           rest on the grounding prong and one live prong instead of both live
           \_ That's exactly what the electricial told me.  Is there any
              Federal or CA law that says it has to be one way or the other?
              --- OP
2009/9/11-21 [Politics/Domestic/California, Industry/Jobs] UID:53358 Activity:low
9/10    Everyone, please nominate your favorite sysadm! I vote for
        Tom Holub aka tom@csua.
        \_ bahahahahaha you're kidding right?
           \_ who is tom holub?
        \_ Aubie.
2009/9/2-9 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/California/Arnold] UID:53319 Activity:low
9/2     California will survive its crackup:
        \_ not if we can help it.
        \_ I like the comparison with Italy.  Maybe someday we can have
          dozens of political parties fighting!  yay chaos!!
          \_ Do you think Italian people have a lower quality of life than
             Californians?  -tom
             \_ Italian italians or immigrants?
                \_ Italians in Italy.   -tom
                  \_ Italian Italians or non-Italian immigrants in Italy?
             \_ Which Italians and which Californians? Overall, I'd say
                I prefer California to Italy for my particular situation.
                \_ have you traveleed?
                   \_ Yes. I am always glad to be back in CA when I return
                      even though I love to travel. Have you?
             \_ I have never left CA and I don't see a damn reason why I
                should leave it or travel! CA 4 LYFE!!!!!!
2009/8/10-19 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/California/Prop] UID:53259 Activity:high
8/10    College ranking
        #10: StanfUrd
        #73: Cal
        Even if ranking public colleges separately, Cal still ranks only #8.
        (Though The top 3 are all military academies.)
        \_ Yeah, Cal isn't what it used to be anymore. Increasing bureaucracy
           and long lines really made it go downhill in the past decade and
           a half. That, and pissed off alum don't want to donate...
        \_ What the FUCK is Williams College? WTF?
           |_ Short for Williams and Sonoma College.
              \_ There is no such college.  There is Williams-Sonoma, Inc.
                 \_ We have now identified Mr. Pedant!
           \_ If you had gotten a better education, you would have heard of
              Williams College.
        \_ Conservatives in California have finally achieved their long desired
           dream of destroying public higer education.
           \_ Because conservatives have controlled the California state
              legislature for the past 4 decades, right? Or was it Bush's
              \_ It's Pete Wilson's fault.  Don't hide it.  I know it.
                 You know it.  And the American People know it.
                 \_ bullshit
              \_ It is the combo of Prop 13, "Three Strikes" and Prop 98
                 that has massacred higher ed funding in CA. These are
                 all Conservative initiatives. The legistlature has very
                 little control over the budget anymore, it is almost all
                 set by Constitutional initiative.
                 \_ I agree that Prop 13 and 3 strikes (I'm not that familiar
                    with prop 98) are largely responsible for budget problems,
                    but if you think those are the only major contributions to
                    the budget problems, you have anti-conservative blinders
                    on. And the state legislature does have control over the
                    budget. That's their job. The fact that they've not done
                    anything significant the past few decades because they're
                    horribly deadlocked doesn't let them off the hook.
                    \_ Prop 98 is 40% of the budget, corrections is now
                       15%. Interest on bond issues approved by voters is
                       another 10%. Just those alone are 2/3 of the budget
                       and all of that is out of the legislatures hands.
                       \_ Prop 98 might be 40% of the budget, but that
                          40% is going to educate people for free. To
                          steal money from K-12 kids with no other options
                          to educate kids at UC seems disingenous.
                          \_ It is still money that the Legislature does
                             not have at its disposal, no matter how noble
                             what it is being spent for.
                             \_ Do you want to cut K-12 spending? I don't.
                                Not even for UC.
        \_ These rankings are bogus. Nothing more to say than that. Mills
           College is ahead of Cal, Brown, Penn, *and* Dartmouth. Not.
           \_ Just like it is unreasonable to keep tweaking your ranking
              criteria and weights until it produces an ordering you like,
              it seems bogus to not feedback patently bogus orderings into
              refining your process. Perhaps the answer isnt more tweaking
              but just to limit what results to share ... for example a
              system which seeks a lot of resolving power at the top end
              may not do much in the middle of the pack ... like say in
              a sport tournament, you may not waste resources to separate
              #30 from number #31.
2009/7/29-8/6 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/RepublicanMedia] UID:53220 Activity:nil
7/28    Cougars are swapping advice on dating young men:
        \_ Why didn't they have "cougars" when I was 21?
           \_ there have been cougars since the dawn of mankind, which is
              1970. Dustin Hoffman and Mrs. Robinson. Your problem was that
              the cougars talked to each other, and they agreed that you
              were not something they wanted.
2009/7/29-8/6 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:53217 Activity:nil
7/29    The inmates are threatening to take over the asylum in the GOP
        (story about birther controversy)
        \_ cool!
2009/7/27-8/6 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Crime] UID:53204 Activity:nil
7/27    A very good reading from our own Piaw:
2009/7/27-8/6 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:53203 Activity:low
7/27    I just heard on the radio that prisoners in California have better
        medical coverage than MediCal provides.  How fair.
        \_ There's an reasonalbe argument that as wards of the state, the
           state owes prisoners decent care, just like the state owes them
           food and shelter.
           \_ The state owes them a minimal level of care, not care better
              than the status quo.
              \_ There's a reasonable argument that the state owes everyone
                 a minimal level of care.
                 \_ Only in Soviet Russia.
                    \_ who gave sara palin a csua account?
                 \_ I know you are mimicking the above poster, but "owe" is
                    the wrong word here.
        \_ By feeding and providing medical care to prisons, The State is
           subsidizing crime.
           \_ By providing better medical care to prisoners than it provides to
              law-abiding Californians, the State is encouraging crime.
2009/7/22-27 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/SocialSecurity] UID:53184 Activity:nil
7/22    Freepers plotting overthrow of the US government
        \_ so they make Hillary president?!  Makes no sense
2009/7/22-27 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/California/Arnold] UID:53179 Activity:low
7/22    "California Apologizes to Chinese Americans"
        \_ That 1850 picture of that Chinese man is pretty damn good for
           a 1850 picture. In fact, too good for a 1850 picture. I'm
           willing to bet that it's a forgery.
           \_ where's the picture?
              \_ Oh weird, they took it out. It was there this morning
                 \_ We have always been at war with east^Weurasia.
2009/7/21-8/6 [Politics/Domestic/California, Science/GlobalWarming] UID:53176 Activity:nil
7/21    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnq-2BJwatE
        Stephenson @google booktour. it's pretty cool they have these
        \_ when is http://google.edu coming?
           \_ isn't that what google knol is?
                \_ http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/08/11/poor-google-knol-has-gone-from-a-wikipedia-killer-to-a-craigslist-wannabe
            \_ dead?
        \_ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ah9PyZNb4F8
           (Salman Rushdie)
        \_ One thing I see with all these is just how arrogant and out
           touch the google employees are about life. I guess koresh's
           flock were out of touch as well as mansen's.
2009/7/5-16 [Politics/Domestic/California, Reference/Tax] UID:53113 Activity:low
7/5     Job A is completely unrelated to Job B. Job A is my main job, and
        job B is what I do for fun but can't make a living out of [yet].
        Let's say job A provides me with 99% of my income. I just invested
        $20,000 for job B which currently makes only 1% of my income,
        but I hope to recuperate most of that in maybe 1-2 years. Is there
        any way deduct my tax rate that I make from job A using expenses
        from job B?
        \_ You can carry forward your Job B losses for 3-10 years.
           \_ why the nebulous 3-10 years? What determines that?
              \_ So that you look it up or talk to a tax advisor. motd is good
                 to point you in the right direction, but you really shouldn't
                 make tax decisions based on it.
        \_ you can also incorporate Job B and be a sole shareholder.
           I recommend Nolo Press.
           \_ I recommend you do not incorporate unless you like lots of
              expenses like taxes. For example a C corporation in California
              pays a minimum of $800 in franchise taxes. This is true if
              you do business in California, even if you incorporated in
              another state and even if you operate at a loss. I setup a
              corporation "just to learn how" for a hobby I did and it
              turned into a gigantic fustercluck. I am working to have it
              dissolved now. Please make it go away.
              \_ He wouldn't do a C Corp, he'd probably do an S Corp, which
                 avoids double taxation and other issues with S Corps. But
                 the Nolo books explain all of this.
                 \_ S Corps still pay the greater of ($800 or 1.5% of
                    net income) in franchise tax and are still double
                    taxed in California. Do not incorporate unless you
                    like paying money to lawyers, accountants, and the
                    government and the laws change seemingly each year which
                    means you will spend a lot of time figuring things out and
                    ignorance is not accepted as an excuse. It makes a lot of
                    sense to incorporate in some instances, but for a hobby I
                    wouldn't do it.
                    \_ wrong.
                       \_ 100% correct. Please to be highlighting the part
                          you think is wrong so that I may educate you.
2009/5/23-6/1 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/SocialSecurity] UID:53038 Activity:low
5/23    Public opinion is basically pathological
        \_ Yeah, voters are stupid.
        \_ I'm disheartened that the most popular program to cut is the
           space program. I think most people assume it gets a lot more
           money than it does. As this article says, its budget is tiny
           relative to the size of the federal government. I think if people
           realized what DoD spent they would realize it has to be #1 on the
           list. Either that, Social Security, or Medicare. Choose. My dad
           (who gets Social Security) said that if he were a person under
           40 he'd lobby hard to reduce it given that we pay in and may never
           see that money again. I think most people would find defense
           most palatable.
           see that money againm but I think most people would find defense
           see that money again but I think most people would find defense
           cuts more palatable.
           (Pie chart of government spending: link:tinyurl.com/oanezb
        \_ They want stuff and don't want to pay for it.  Nothing new to
           see here.  This is, however, why welfare programs are broken.
2009/5/19-25 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/California/Prop] UID:53015 Activity:nil
5/18    How did you vote? I voted: No on 1A-C, and Yes on 1D-F
        \_ I voted yes on 1A because I want tax to be as high as possible
           to increase our standard of living, and to get rid of people
           who are otherwise unfit to live in California-- they should
           move back to Arizona or other anti-tax states. Viva
           La California de Republica para Socialism!
           \_ I actually don't mind a small tax increase and I think a spending
              cap is a good idea, but I didn't like that the governor can
              override it whenever he wants and that we have to contribute
              to this "rainy day fund" even when we are having "rainy days".
              12.5% also seems like an awfully large amount of the budget
              to set aside. With some changes I would have voted Yes on it.
              \_ I'm hoping for 15%, on top of much higher property tax,
                 as well as 45-50% tax for the wealthiest Americans. Will
                 that ever happen in America? Hell no. But somebody's
                 gotta try.                                     -pp
           \_ California and Arizona have the same overall tax burden:
              But don't let facts get in the way of a good rant.
        \_ I voted no on 1C and yes on the rest. Pretty funny that you would
           ask how people voted and then censor their responses.
           \_ I'm the original poster and I didn't censor any responses.
              Must be someone else. I didn't even see any responses other
              than the very first, which I responded to.
        \_ I haven't voted yet, I'm still trying to decide on a couple.
           1A:  Not sure, the write-up seemed good, but the argument against
                was much stronger than the argument for.  Very complex.
                \_ You do know that the arguments for/against were written by
                   the same people, right?
           1B:  No. Schools never seem to have trouble getting money in good
                year.  If the years are good, they'll get money, if not we
                years.  If the years are good, they'll get money, if not we
                can't afford it.
           1C:  No.  I hate the lotto.
           1D:  Not sure, transfer money from 1 child service to another?
           1E:  Not sure, transfer money from metal services for adults to kids?
           1D:  Yes, the yes argument is better.
           1E:  Yes, ""         ""
           1F:  Sure, why not?  Screw those guys.
        \_ No on everything.  That should be the default position, and there's
           nothing compelling in this slate.  -tom
           \_ Not sure that follows here.  Props can only be adjustd by props,
              and that's basically what 1D and 1E are.
                \_ Agreed. 1D and 1E try and undo damage that previous props
            \_ Tom agrees with the Bay Guardian.
               \_ We may hold the same position on this; that doesn't mean
                  I agree with them.  -tom
               \_ Surprised he isn't pro-tax and pro-schools.
            \_ You got what you wanted. The cuts at the UC are going to be
               \_ What I want is to get rid of the 2/3rds majority bullshit
                  that we have right now.
                  \_ I like it.
                     \_ GO GALT!!!!!!
2009/5/18-25 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:53009 Activity:nil
5/18    My company recently switched to electronic pay stubs, with no option
        to keep getting paper pay stubs. I've asked them to provide me with
        paper pay stubs, but they refuse. Their argument is that I can print
        them myself on the office printers. I don't want to have to run to the
        printer to prevent someone else from picking up my pay stub, or to deal
        with the hassle of printing it every two weeks. Is there some way I can
        convince them to offer paper again? I can find vague intimations that
        California requires paper pay stubs to be available, but no law backing
        that up.
        \_ it's 2009, deal with it.
        \_ Download it and print it at home.
        \_ Why print at all?  I save the pdf in encrypted drives at multiple
           locations.  I do the same for other online statements.
2009/5/18-20 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:53008 Activity:nil
5/18    http://www.peterates.com/props-0509.shtml
2009/5/12-18 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:52987 Activity:nil
5/10  John Yoo is now a newspaper columnist.
      http://www.philly.com/philly/opinion/20090510_Obama_needs_a_neutral_justice.html - danh
        \_ See also: "I don't want to go to jail."
2009/5/4-6 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/California/Prop] UID:52938 Activity:high
5/4     Why does The Netherlands have such a sustained lower unemployment
                 \_ Why is it The Netherlands? Is it like an LA Freeway?
        rate and higher growth than the US? Maybe we can replicate their
        success here.
        \_ Start by not spending all your money on military and prisons.
        \_ They don't have as large a population of illegal immigrants  -jblack
           \_Lots of Euro countries don't have this problem, they still mostly
             have double digit unemployment.
        \_ Timely Question:
           \_ jeesh,  They really should not be paying this guy by the word.
           \_ So the government taxes you to death and then gives some of
              the money back if you have kids, for vacations, and so on.
              This "Big Brother" sort of society in which the government
              claims to know what you need more than you do is very
              anti-American to me, although staunch Democrats must love it
              because they could tell people what to do with their money.
        \_ My mother is Dutch and I still have family there. It's a wealthy
           nation, but very small. I don't see many opportunities to
           parallel their policies here successfully.
           \_ Why not? We should have economies of scale that they do not.
              \_ Because we are much larger and more diverse. I'm not sure
                 that economies of scale play a large part in this. For
                 instance, are there economies of scale for educating 1 million
                 kids versus 100 kids? I'd argue not. In fact, I'd argue it
                 would be cheaper (per kid) to educate the smaller number.
                 \_ It is certainly cheaper to build 100 miles of road, than
                    10 roads, each 10 miles long. Why do you think that it is
                    cheaper to educate smaller numbers of children? You can
                    get some kinds of economy of scale even in education,
                    with things like standard tests, school books, etc.
                    \_ Examples of why it might cost more to educate more:
                       higher administrative overhead
                       higher probability of kids with special/unique needs
                       more disparate learning abilities and backgrounds
                       harder to find/recruit so many well-trained teachers.
                       \_ Why would there be a higher percentage of kids with
                          special needs? And why harder to find teachers? It
                          should be the same percentage of population in both
                          \_ Because you don't judge these by percentage.
                             Imagine there is a special need which occurs
                             1/10000th of the time. The school with 100
                             kids probably doesn't have to deal with it at
                             all (or rarely), whereas the school with 1
                             million kids probably needs a whole program
                             created to address it. For an example of this
                             consider bilingual education. The Japanese kids
                             at my public school did not have a class
                             dedicated to them, but the South American kids
                             did even though both were small percentage-wise.
                             did. A single Spanish-speaking kid isn't a
                             burden to instruct, but 1,000 is.
           \_ There is a lot of evidence (and probably literature) on the
              diseconomies of scale in education. Anecdotally, it explains
              why property values are significantly lower in parts of LA that
              are part of LAUSD, one of the largest and most inefficient
              school districts in the nation. (e.g. San Pedro vs. PV, Culver
              City vs. Palms, etc). Another way to look at the diseconomies
              of scale problem is to think of all the complaints against big
              government (gubment = BAD) or big companies (startups = rewl).
              \_ If there are diseconomies of scale, why are small private
                 schools so much more expensive than public schools?  -tom
                 \_ It's not linear. There can be economies of scale which then
                    translate into diseconomies. Do you really think that LAUSD
                    is more efficient than, say, Berkeley USD? Tangentially
                    related is the whole cherry-picking, charter school and/or
                    voucher concept. Voucher/Charter folks like to really
                    against large districts, but they get to cherry pick
                    students. That said, I think http://greendot.org is pretty awesome
                    and there is a lot to learn from these guys. They fix a
                    lot of standard inner city problems just by "caring". I
                    think it's hard to scale caring.
                 \_ 1. They often provide a better product.
                    2. It varies by state and district, but many times
                       private schools aren't more expensive for a similar
                       product. California spent $8496 per student in
                       2005-2006, which was 29th in the nation. The US
                       average was $9100. This figure excludes capital
                       outlay, interest on school debt, and other subsidies.
                       (Source: link:tinyurl.com/cyg468
                       I believe for example that most private schools (unless
                       they are religious) pay property tax on their land while
                       public schools do not.  For this price you can find
                       plenty of private schools for your kids to attend and
                       this discounts scholarships that are often offered. I
                       could not find the average cost of a private school in
                       California, but nationwide in 2003-2004 (latest
                       year I could find) it was $6400 for elementary schools
                       and $13300 for high schools.
                       (Source: http://tinyurl.com/cog8wj
                       Clearly, this figure is not too different from the
                       $9100 average for public schools.
                       \_ You can't compare private schools in Des Moines to
                          public schools in San Francisco.  For example:
                          Head-Royce school in Oakland is $19k/year for
                          K-5, $21k/year for 6-8, $27k/year for high school.
                          \_ I am comparing the average national public
                             expenditures to the average national private
                             expenditures. I am not comparing Des Moines
                             to SF. However, I assure you that you can
                             find plenty of private schools even in urban
                             California for less than $10K/year. The schools
                             charging $20-30K per year are elite schools
                             providing much more to their students than
                             public schools do and that's why they cost more.
                             My neighbor's son goes to Saint Francis High
                             School in La Canada. It's a pretty good school.
                             Tuition is $10324. I bet that's not much
                             different from what the local public HS spends.
                             Mater Dei tuition is $10950. Don Bosco Tech
                             is $8600. Not every school is some elitist
                             academy that costs more than Stanford.
                             \_ Parochial schools may be subsidized by the
                                church--you can't just look at tuition to
                                know their costs.  -tom
                                \_ They may be, but they may not be and
                                   it's not clear to what extent. I went
                                   to a Christian school and it wasn't.
                                   Public schools receive money from other
                                   sources, too, like the PTA fundraisers
                                   and gifts. (The public middle school my
                                   nephew goes to just received $400K from
                                   a donor for a new tennis court.) Also,
                                   many students at private schools pay
                                   *less than* tuition because they
                                   receive financial assistance. I think
                                   it's reasonable to compare tuitions
                                   because public schools receive a lot of
                                   subsidies and private schools have expenses
                                   public schools do not (like advertising).
                                   I would argue they all wash out, which
                                   is why the average private tuition and
                                   public school expenditures are so similar
                                   to each other.
        \_ Even Communist Mainland China has a sustained higher growth rate
           than the US.
        \_ http://delong.typepad.com/sdj/2009/05/upward-mobility-reality-and-illusion.html
           \_ This one is great, take that Gold Bugs:
2009/4/25 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:52905 Activity:nil
4/25    Life is unfair:
2009/4/21-28 [Politics/Domestic/Immigration, Politics/Domestic/California] UID:52885 Activity:kinda low
4/21    Real Per Capita spending in CA budget:
        Note that is is flat, which is the opposite of what we have
        been repeatedly told on the motd.
        \_ Does capita take in account for unaccounted illegal immigrants?
                                                                -Dr. jblack
        \_ So the problem is we have too many deadbeats?  Or a poorly
           designed tax system?
           \_ Or are spending far too much of it on prisons.
           \_ Our inflow is too variable, and the legistlature doesn't want
              to build a rainy day fund. The last time CA had a budget surplus
              of any size, the Jarvis crowd went into a lather and cut taxes
              via initiative, so you can see why they don't want to put anything
              aside. Maybe people have wizened up, but I doubt it.
              via initiative, so you can see why they don't want to put
              anything aside. Maybe people have wizened up, but I doubt it.
        \_ Damn those immigrants!                               -jblack
        \_ This chart is BullShit:
           Spending in nominal $$$ has roughtly doubled from 1997-8 to 2007-8
           Population has risen like 12% in that time.
           I don't know what kind of BS inflation numbers they are using to
           make this work out, but I can tell you that there was not THAT high
           inflation between 1997 and 2007.
           make this work out, but I can tell you that it was not THAT high.
           \_ Given 12% population increase those numbers give me about 1.5x
              per capita increase over 10 years, or about 4%/year.  Seems
              about right.
           \_ It does seem kind of high, but 98 to 08 budget is up 80%, not
              100%. Let me look at the numbers more closely.
2009/4/3-5 [Finance/Banking, Politics/Domestic/California] UID:52791 Activity:nil
4/3     LA homes are affordable again! 500K -> 200K. LA is where your
        American Dream comes true!
2009/3/15-19 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/California/Arnold] UID:52714 Activity:low
3/15    "California due to release 1970s radical Olson"
        How did someone with such a rap sheet only get to serve seven years in
        \_ How did someone with such a rap sheet only get to serve seven years
           in prison?
        \_ You may want to look up the difference between attempted and actually
           committed crimes.
        \_ You may want to look up the difference between attempted and
           actually committed crimes.
           \_ The difference is "she screwed up", not "she changed her mind".
2009/3/13-19 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:52709 Activity:nil
3/13    Whee!  Now CA has an $8 Billion deficit!  Wait, I thought we fixed
        \_ You must be new here.
2009/3/11-17 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:52700 Activity:moderate
3/10    Pelosi, you hypocritical bitch
        \_ http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=7057198&page=1
           Let me guess, ABC is obivously just too liberal for words.s
        \_ Why do you hate America?
        \_ America: love it or leave it, traitor!
        \_ You ignorant fool. For one, she's third in line for the presidency.
           Third. Flying privately with a trusted party makes damn good sense.
           For another, she didn't request a large plane and only flew on it
           when no other options were available, opting instead to go for a
           12-seater plane. Lastly, her family members aren't even allowed on
           the plane without compensating the military for the flight. This is
           not a flagrant abuse of tax dollars.  Parent post, ignorant bitch.
           \_ Let them eat cake!
           \_ You idiot.  Her flying in a private plane is reasonable for
              safety concerns.  The 12-seater is a G5!!!  It's a luxury plane.
              And she was damn particular about wanting the G5:
               "It is my understanding there are NO G5s available for the House
              during the Memorial Day recess. This is totally unacceptable,"
              said Pelosi appointee Kay King in a May 10, 2007 message to the
              DOD. "The Speaker will want to know where the planes are."
               "This is not good news, and we will now have some very
              disappointed folks, as well as a very upset Speaker," King wrote
              in another message to DOD.
              \_ What would you prefer she ask for, an F-15?
              \_ If I were her, I'd request a C-5.  You can play football
                 in one of those.
              \_ Oh NOES, an appointee said mean things to staff! That means
                 Pelosi's a corrupt beast!
2009/3/3-11 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:52667 Activity:nil
3/3     Want to play lotto? Try this app first:
        \_ What? You're saying the lotto is a racket? Say it ain't so!
        \_ The random number generator seems to be fucked.  I'm seeing numbers
           that way outside of expected outcomes.
           that are way outside of expected outcomes.
        \_ I wonder if it wouldn't be more productive to expand lotto
           opportunities to other social endeavors: lotto for transportation
           budgets, for example, or an additional five dollar fee at the DMV
           that enters you into a drawing; would people be more likely to
           register their vehicles? CA could certainly use the money.
2009/3/2-5 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Gay, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:52666 Activity:low
3/2     http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/Business/story?id=6977202&page=1
        Conservative states consume the most internet porn.  Damn
        hypocritcal bastards.
        \_ The bigger question is how many are GAY porns? That's against
           Jesus Christ and God's belief.
        \_ Funny, then you would think conservatives would know what
           "teabagging" means.
           \_ Ha ha!  I didn't know this:
              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teabagging   -- !OP
        \_ You know, I think Jesus would hate most American "Christians".
        \_ There is one other small problem with Edelman's efforts. His very
           first reference in the paper is built on a source long known to be
           completely false. On the second page of the report on his study
           published in the Journal of Economic Perspectives (Vol 23, #1,
           Winter 2009), Edelman relies on the claims of porn industry trade
           publication AVN Media Network that says the online porn industry
           made $2.8 billion dollars in 2006. AVN also claims that the entire
           porn industry pulled in nearly $13 billion in 2006.

           However, it has long been known that the numbers presented by AVN
           are in no way verifiable. Forbes Magazine took AVN.s claims to task
           back in 2001 (after one of AVN's earlier reports of porn industry
           takings) and found the numbers impossible to verify. In 2001 Forbes
           reckoned that the industry could not have made more than $4 billion,
           a number far less than the $10 billion AVN was then claiming. A
           2007 Boing, Boing article also discussed the unverifiable AVN
           \_ What does that have to do with his original research using
              credit card data?
        \_ Give Conservatives a break. It's pretty lonely living in the
           farms and suburbia.
2009/2/28-3/5 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:52662 Activity:low
2/28    Where's ZombieTime when we need him?
        \_ In SF, as usual.  It looks like this guy pretty much had it
           covered though.
        \_ You'd think they could come up with a better gimmick than
           \_ And why do they have the teenage boy holding up the sign
              encouraging teabagging? I wonder if he knows what he has
              been put up to do...
2009/2/27-3/6 [Politics/Domestic/California, Reference/Tax] UID:52655 Activity:low
2/27    CA unemployment increases from 9.3% to 10.1% for Jan
        \_ Good thing the legislature passed the biggest tax increase in
           history!  That should solve it.
           \_ because cutting taxes has done such a great job so far!
                \_ it has.. giving mortgages to poor folks did us in
                   \_ 100% horseshit.
              \_ Find me an economist who thinks raising taxes will help
                 grow the economy.
                 \_ States can't run a deficit AND because of our fucked
                    up initiative system CA spending is pretty locked.
                    There's not much choice.
                    \_ I guess States need some of the stimulus money then
                       because the Feds can run a deficit. Raising taxes
                       right now is stupid.
                 \_ Raising taxes might hurt the economy less than cutting
                    services would.
                    \_ Those are not the only two choices.
                 \_ Once again, 100% horseshit.
                     "Drawing upon economic theory, we believe
                     reducing government spending will have a more
                     deleterious effect on Washington s economy than
                     would increasing revenue. Although both cuts in
                     government spending and tax increases have the
                     potential to slow economic growth, cutting
                     government spending would likely have the most
                     immediate impact by directly reducing
                     consumption. Tax increases are less problematic
                     because individual consumers, especially those
                     with higher-incomes, are unlikely to reduce
                     consumption by the full amount of the tax
                     increase."  (First hit on Google.)  -tom
                     \_ You do realize that all but a small handful
                        of the economists who are urging for higher
                        taxes rather than reduced government spending
                        in that letter are government employees,
                        right? 100% horseshit indeed.
                        \_ You asked me to find you an economist who
                           thinks raising taxes will grow the economy,
                           and I found you 20+ on the first Google hit,
                           \_ Uh, no. Those 20+ economist merely *said*
                              raising taxes would grow the economy. Whether
                              or not they actually *think* it will is
                              completely different. As I pointed out, they
                              were arguing for raising taxes in favor of
                              cutting state spending. Just casually looking
                              at where these people worked, all but 3-4 of
                              them were easily identifiable as state employees.
                              Do you want me to spell it out for you?
                              \_ Well, gee, pretty much all the economists
                                 who say that raising taxes is bad are
                                 wealthy taxpayers, so I guess we can ignore
                                 their opinions.  -tom
                                 \_ Before you were just dense. Now you're
                                    making imaginary arguments.
                                    \_ How is it any more imaginary than the
                                       argument that we should discount
                                       economists who work for the
                                       government?  Economists who don't
                                       work for the government directly
                                       benefit from lower taxes; by your
                                       "logic," we should discount their
                                       opinions due to conflict of
                                       interest.  -tom
                           including several who are not government
                           employees.  So, yes, 100% horseshit.  Want to
                           try moving the yardsticks again?  OK, here are
                           some more:
                           \_ These economists are comparing raising
                              taxes versus cutting spending, which is not
                              really the issue. Cutting spending right now
                              would be suicide. The alternative to raising
                              taxes is not cutting spending. It's running
                              a deficit, which makes sense to do during
                              lean economic times. During a Depression is
                              not the time to balance the budget.
                              \_ Nice job moving the yardsticks again.  -tom
                                 \_ You have a really low hurdle for
                                    success if you want to take the
                                    original statement literally.
        \_ This article says nothing at all about taxes versus economic
           growth, but it does point out that federal spending as a % of
           GDP is higher than historical levels.
                           Please discount those, too.  -tom
        \_ The guy in this article notes that the economy grew the fastest
           in the late 1990s when Clinton "briefly took federal taxes to
           20% of GDP". There is no correlation between the taxes being
           high and the <DEAD>dot.com<DEAD> growth. I think raising taxes during boom
           periods is a smart idea, but the taxes were not the cause of the
           boom. At the article points out, when you raise taxes on
           cigarettes, consumption decreases. When you raise taxes on oil,
           consumption decreases. You think raising income taxes will not
           decrease consumption? Herbert Hoover raised taxes during the
           Depression and it was a horrible blunder. Read up about it.
           Let's not do that again.
           \_ Do you understand the difference between income tax and
              sales tax?
              \_ Do you understand the similarities?
2009/2/27-3/5 [Politics/Domestic/California, Health/Women] UID:52654 Activity:moderate
2/27    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7914357.stm
        *shocking* allegations.
        China denounces US 'rights abuse':
                China has responded in detail to a US report published this
                week criticising China for alleged rights abuses. Beijing
                released its own report on the US, saying crime is a threat to
                many Americans and racial discrimination prevails in social
                life across the US.
        \_ Chinese obviously doesn't know much about America.  American are
           actually very abusive in terms of human rights but we've just
           accept it as part of the norm.  example, USA has the highest
           incarceration rate, relatively high murder rate, Blacks/Latinos
           being jailed for drug-related crime are disproportionally higher
           than the demographics of the drug users, etc, etc.  And I haven't
           start talking about outsourcing tortures, prisoner abuse,
           detain people indefinitely without trial nor charges... I really
           don't know what is so special about China and their human rights.
           \_ We generally don't run over protestors with tanks here.  -tom
           \_ All of China is not Bejing.
           \_ Virtually no one in the USA goes to jail for just using drugs.
              In fact, in California, even many small time dealers may be
              released off the hook if caught dealing the first time. Those
              minorities in jail you're talking about are not there
              for just drug use. Most of them are recedivist dealers who
              negotiated a plea deal where they accept a relatively small
              jail time for drug possession in exchange for the judges
              dropping the more serious charges. They do it because
              most of them know their case wouldn't stand in court, and they
              would have to go to jail for much longer time. Just go outside
              of campus and see who is dealing drugs.
              \_ This is not true. I will do some research and get back to
                 you, but there are millions in jail in the US for possession
                 \_ Yeah. Please do so. Find and post whacked liberal web site
                    link of the week to support your liberal agenda. I know
                    second hand from people who had known others who had gone
                    through the system.
                    \_ Well since you put it that way, I won't waste my time.
                       Obviously your second hand anecdotal knowledge is
                       superior than any kind of fact-based reasoning.
                        \_ Please tell us about your facts. What are they?
                           You have a proof that the vast majority of drug
                           "users" were not jailed for dealing? No one goes to
                           jail for using drugs in California. That's a fact
                           "users" were not jailed for dealing? No one goes
                           to jail for using drugs in California. That's a fact
                           Even small time dealers get at worst a probation
                           sentense. Anyone who has gone through this system
                           will tell you this. People who are in jail for the
                           most part are real criminals. No doubt about it. You
                           will tell you this. People who are in jail for the most part
                           are the hardened criminals. No doubt about it. You
                           can't see who is dealing drugs in the Bay Area and
                           elsewhere? You still need to do research on that?
                           elsewhere? You need to do research on that?
                           \_ "No one goes to jail in California for using
                              drugs." Having a hard time tracking down
                              CA-specific numbers, but Bureau of Justice
                              reports 250k prisoners under jurisdiction of
                              state correctional authorities for drug
                              offenses in 2005: http://csua.org/u/nnz
                              If you can find a breakdown of CA prison pop.
                              that shows no drug offenders, your case is
                              \_ I don't know if he's right or not, but surely
                                 you realize that your link doesn't actually
                                 answer his claim.  (Maybe for the same reason
                                 as conspiracy theories are impossible to
                                 disprove, but still...) Especially since
                                 dealing is a drug offense... -!pp
                                 \_ Catch-22, then. I would like much clearer
                                    statistics, but the sources are hard to
                                    \_ Yeah, you'd need to find both: how many
                                       people are in jail _just_ for
                                       possession, and how many plea deals
                                       were struck to reduce dealing to
                                       possession.  And, you'd have to take
                                       into account the DAs who use a dealing
                                       charge as a threat to get a plea on
                            \_ http://mises.org/freemarket_detail.aspx?control=7
                        \_ You might be right, even the DEA is in favor of
                           treatment over jail for first time posession:
                           There's your wacked out liberal site for you, DOJ.
2009/2/26-3/5 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:52650 Activity:nil
2/26    "Fiscal conservatives" like Saxby Chambliss predictably uninterested
        in Obama's proposal to curtail ag subsidies:
2009/2/26-3/3 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Crime] UID:52644 Activity:nil
2/26    If only Al Gore had had Norm Coleman's balls:
        \_ yeah, I'm sure the Republican Congress and the stacked Supreme
           Court would have gone right along with another election...  -tom
2009/2/25-3/3 [Politics/Foreign/Europe, Politics/Domestic/California] UID:52634 Activity:nil
2/25    Whoops, looks like SFCron is on the rocks.
        \_ Not surprised. They don't even run a full page of comics.  Instead,
           they waste pages and pages on something called "news," which is
           almost always boring and depressing.
2009/2/24-3/3 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Crime] UID:52631 Activity:nil
2/24    Megan's Law doesn't work:
2009/2/17-22 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/911] UID:52593 Activity:nil
2/17    The CA budget compromise only includes $3.1 Billion of actual cuts.
        The rest are reductions of planned spending.
2009/2/17-19 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/California/Arnold] UID:52587 Activity:nil
2/16    By the way, you had better hope you're not owed a CA state tax refund
        this year.  You'll be getting an IOU instead:
        \_ It was less than $300 for me, so I just redirected it to 2009
           estimated tax.
           \_ Mine was around 2 grand.  Ouch! -op
              \_ File amended return.  Apply to current year, then decrease
                 your current withholdings by the same amount.  You get your
                 refund whether CA likes it or not.
                 \_ What's the best web site to calculate the optimal W2
                    number for withhold?
        \_ who cares about 1 month delay? You living paycheck by paycheck?
           \_ I have no faith in Arnold and the idiots^H^H^H^H^HGOP in the
2009/2/17-19 [Politics/Domestic/California, Industry/Jobs] UID:52585 Activity:moderate
2/16    So California is going to lay off 20% of employees. Seems like a
        good idea, but won't all those people now get unemployment benefits? So
        we'll be paying something like 60% of their salaries (depends on
        their income) for 0% of their work.
        \_ It's a great idea because we're starving the beast. Who needs
           a big government? Every man should be self reliant for his own
           life style. Ya know, buy your own electric generator and sustain
           your own godamn lifestyle.                   -Republican troll
        \_ 500K people are losing their jobs per month.  Should the government
           tax us more so that no one loses a gov't job?
                 ^who still have jobs,
           \_ Definitely not. The government should tax foreigners who are
              taking most of the wealth that America trickled down to.
        \_ The last time CA had a big layoff was 1974.  I think it's time.
           However, 20000 layoff notices doesn't mean 20000 layoffs.
           \_ Just to be clear: layoffs seem like a good idea, but paying
              people to not work seems like a bad idea. We should layoff
              when the economy is *good* so that people get off of
              unemployment quickly not when the economy is bad and people
              will have trouble finding other work.
              \_ That's very true. We should also save money in the good
                 times to spend in the bad.  Please call me if you have
                 any inkling that any of these two things might actually
                 \_ San Francisco does it. I can't see why the State can't.
2009/2/16-19 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:52580 Activity:kinda low
2/16    In spite of GOP claims, there is very little pork in the
        stimulus bill:
        http://tinyurl.com/bg56eo (TNR)
        \_ GOP lie and exaggerate?  Never!
        \_ oh?   http://tinyurl.com/cpzfnf (WaPo)
           \_ So you think that spending on High Speed Rail is pork?
              \_ It's not "stimulus", that's for sure.  The spending won't
                 apply to the short term.
                 \_ I don't know about that. A lot of money could be spent on
                    CAs high speed rail project in the next couple of years
                    and I don't know what the condition of the other 11 projects
                    mentioned, but I assume they could be accelerated as well.
                    They are certainly not pork, in any case.
2009/2/13-18 [Politics/Domestic/California, Computer/Rants] UID:52571 Activity:nil
2/13    So much for letting us read the bill for 48 hours
2009/2/9-15 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:52538 Activity:low
2/9     GOP may be "winning" stimulus debate on TeeVee, but they're losing quite
        badly with the public:
        \_ Uh, the support for the pork package is falling, and now the CBO
           says we'll get out of the recession without a stimulus.
           \_ Is the fallback position for the GOP? First they claim that
           \_ Is this the fallback position for the GOP? First they claim that
              the stimulus bill will be a disaster, then after it works, they
              are going to claim "we would have gotten out of the recession
              \_ No, they'll claim that the stimulus package prolonged the
                 recession.  They'll keep repeating it and repeating it
                 until the dittoheads think it's a consensus view instead
                 of the product of ideological wack jobs.  (See: Conservative
                 positions on FDR and the Depression).  -tom
                 \_ Oh, yah, UCLA is conservative.
              \_ Last I checked, CBO wasn't Republican.
                 \_ Your track record of reliably reporting from other sources
                    is suspect, at least to me. What is the URL to the CBO
                    report in question? It is not an exaggeration to claim
                    that almost every economist, no matter their political
                    stripe, think that a stimulus package is warranted.
                    stripe, thinks that a stimulus package is warranted.
                    \_ There's a summary at:
                       But you'll dismiss that.  So here's a link to the PDF
                       from the CBO:
                       \_ There is nothing in the CBO report that supports
                          your claim. In fact, it actually says this:
                        Principles for Fiscal Stimulus
                        In the absence of any changes in policy, CBO projects
                        that the economy will produce about $1 trillion less
                        output per year than its estimated potential in each of
                        2009 and 2010 and significantly less than its potential
                        in 2011 and 2012 as well (see Figure 12). The unemploy-
                        ment rate is forecast to rise above 9 percent by early
                        next year. Many economists believe that a stimulative
                        fiscal policy (that is, an increase in spending or
                        reduction in taxes designed to foster faster economic
                        growth in the short run) is desirable under the
                        current economic conditions.
           \_ You apparently have a different definition of the word "falling"
              than most people.
              \_ 62% Want Stimulus Plan to Have More Tax Cuts, Less Spending
                 http://tinyurl.com/cajvyb   [rasmussen]
                 \_ Wow, just wow.  So a 36 point approval gap means nothing
                    to you?  Keep drinking that Kool aid, man.
                    \_ I was responding to the "different definition of
                       falling" claim.  Sorry for that linear logic.
2009/2/8-12 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/California/Arnold] UID:52533 Activity:moderate
2/8     Why California budget is such a mess:
        Most of it is frome the Republican favorites of prisons and tax cuts
        for car drivers.
        \_ Gray Davis is the one who caved to the prison guards union.
           \_ The GOP has been the "get tough on crime" party since the days
              of Nixon.
              \_ Maybe, but:
                 1. I don't see them Democrat-controlled Congress doing
                    any different
                 2. The voters seem to agree when they vote for things
                    like 3 strikes
                 3. Gray Davis is the one who thought prison guards need
                    to make $150K per year. He's not a Republican.
                 \_ Prison guards don't make $150k/yr. Why do you spread
                    this kind of BS? They make the exact same as CHP officers,
                    in fact (which might be too high, but it is nothing like
                    your claim, it is more lik $80k/yr). I agree with you on
                    the voter part.
                    this kind of BS? The base pay for a senior guard is
                    $73k/yr, which might be too high, but is no where near
                    your claim. Starting salary is $43k/yr.
                    I agree with you that "the voters" have
                    agreed with the GOP on this issue, at least in the past.
                    Now the chickens are coming home to roost from the
                    irresponsible big government spending the GOP has
                    pushed for.
                    \_ I know a girl whose bf is a prison guard in the
                       Central Valley. With overtime he routinely makes
                       $120K-150K and even up to $200K some years. CHP can
                       make almost as much, too. Certainly 6 figures.
                       \_ People routinely lie about their salaries.
                          There is a public database that has all California
                          State salaries. Show me a prison guard making $200k
                          per year. Do you think that people who do overtime
                          should not get paid for it? Your article claims
                          that one in ten make 6 figures (with lots of
                          overtime) and this is of course an entirely
                          different claim than your original assertion
                          that prison guards make $150k. "... the average
                          year-end gross pay for a stateprison guard last
                          year was $72,000."
                          \_ My article shows one made $187K in 2006 so it
                             is entirely possible. Maybe the average is
                             not $150K but if 10-15% are making $100K+ (up
                             to $187K) and the rest are making $70K I'd
                             say you are splitting hairs. Yes, prison
                             guards (at least some) do make $150K per year.
                             That is not a lie.
                             \_ The average is $72k so half (or so) are making
                                less than this. Surely you know what an
                                average is. From your article "An analysis of
                                state payroll data shows the average base pay
                                last year for a guard was $57,000." The guy
                                making $150k must be working 90 hrs/wk or
                                something. Hard to begrudge him getting paid
                                twice as much if he does the work of two men,
                                though perhaps the state should try and
                                distribute the overtime more evenly. The claim
                                that one (in 20000) prison guards makes $150k
                                a year is pretty amazingly different from the
                                claim that "prison guards make $150k/yr" and
                                you are disingenuous to claim otherwise.
                                distribute the overtime more evenly.
                                you are disingenuouss to claim otherwise.
                                you are disingenuous to state otherwise.
2009/2/6 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:52530 Activity:nil
2/6     I'm hearing about "The worst CA drought in 20 years."  Honestly, I
        can't seem to recall any year when I didn't hear about a drought in
        CA.  Still, it seems to be raining more than last year.  Does anyone
        have the numbers to show this drought is so bad?
2009/2/6-12 [Politics/Domestic/California, Science/GlobalWarming] UID:52526 Activity:kinda low
2/6     Chu says global warming will turn CA into a desert.  Why can't I see
        any trend on Tahoe snowfall in the last 100 years?
        \_ Because you're an idiot.
           \_ Wait, there IS a trend there?  Can you point it out?
              \_ There does not appear to be a trend in that particular
                 set of data, taken out of context.  The fact that you think
                 that is significant is why you are an idiot.
                 \_ The context to me is that there has been warming over the
                    last century, but no trend in the snowpack.  Can you
                    explain why that's not significant?  -op
                    \_ Your graph is snowfall, not snowpack.  It's also picking
                       only one spot, when mountain conditions vary wildly from
                       one place to another.  And the effects of global warming
                       are not linear.  -tom
                       \_ Ah, thanks for pointing out my mistake of pack vs.
                          fall.  Far more useful than simply saying I'm an
                          idiot. -op
                          \_ That's not why you're an idiot.
                          \_ FYI, your an idiot b/c you have dared to doubt
                          \_ FYI, you're an idiot b/c you have dared to doubt
                             the revealed truth of the prophet Gore. How dare
                             you! Who are you to think unapproved thoughts!
                             \_ The one good thing about Global Warming is that
                                it might (might!) dry up some of that froth.
2009/2/4-10 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:52512 Activity:kinda low
2/4     Another business flees California
        \_ this whole bribe businesses to "create" jobs is a crock of bs imo
           \_ Sure, but the end result is CA loses jobs.
              \_ well, no, it isn't.  Other business replace them.  -tom
                 \_ May I suggest that when you make such asinine comments
                    that you don't sign your name? You're only embarrasing
                    \_ May I suggest that when you personally insult someone
                       else that you sign your name?  Coward.
                       (And here's a hint: there are more jobs now in
                       California than ever before).  -tom
        \_ what is the point of having jobs in califoria when the state
           government can't get tax from them again?
2009/1/22-27 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:52446 Activity:nil
1/22    We now have more government workers than manufacturing
        Note the steady growth of gov't jobs
        \_ What is this guys source for data? Overall employment in the
           Federal Govt shrank during the Clinton years, but state govt may
           have more than made up for that, I don't know.
           \_ He says what his source is, right there on the page.
              \_ That source doesn't do it for me, but I tracked down the
                 original data, which is from the US Census. Good enough for
                 government work, right? The percentage of the population that
                 has been employed by the government has been steady at 7%
                 since 1980. The percentage employed in manufacturing has
                 \_ The numbers at http://www.bls.gov/emp/empmajorindustry.htm
                    match  OPs chart.  (and btw, these show a 14% Gubment
                    employment level, again not including tax attorneys and
                    gubment contractors.)
2009/1/12-15 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/California/Arnold] UID:52362 Activity:moderate
1/12    Californians fleeing to other states in record numbers:
        \_ Thank god, I hope this will ease up with congestion. On the
           other hand, this may result in Latino explosion... hmmm....
              \_ I don't mind more Salma Hayek and Yurizan Beltran.
           \_ "...in fact, the state's population continues to increase
        \_ Yay!
           \_ So you think California sucking ass is a good thing?  Did
              you read the article?
              \_ I think that California could do with a little more fleeage.
        \_ I would flee CA if my job wasn't so awesome.
           \_ It's in the 60s in January here in SFBA. It's 16 in Kansas. Not
              \_ It's in the 80s here in SoCal in January, which is why
                 I did move. Arizona and Florida are also nice this time
                 of year, so it's not all about weather.
                 \_ But Arizona and Florida suck in the summer.
                    \_ Suck in general. Sorry, can't stand most of non-
                       California's attitude toward race and politics.
                       \_ link:www.csua.org/u/nai
                       \_ do you have a thick accent and wear People's
                          republic of Berkeley tshirts?
                       \_ what year are you living in, new england is fine.
                          \_ Boston is the new Sunnyvale.
                           \_ Somerville is the new Sunnyvale.
2009/1/5-8 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:52316 Activity:nil
1/5     He's good enough, he's smart enough, and doggone it, people like him!
        \_ Well, the Sec of State likes him enough to steal the election.
           \_ I guess the Republican leaning election board liked him too.
           \_ Someone had to win. The error measurement of an election is
              greater than the difference of votes in these cases, so it is
              basically a toss-up.
2008/12/28-2009/1/7 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:52300 Activity:moderate
12/22   What the deal with flyng a confederate flag?  I always assumed
        it was a symbol of racism, but some people seem to do it so
        casually that I'm not sure that's it anymore.
        \_ it's a southern heritage pride thing, which oftens involves
           the flag waver ignoring how pissed off a brown person might
           get about it.  whatever, i don't care, i'll never live anywhere
           where people are stupid enough to still wave the rebel flag
           \_ Well, yeah, but I live in the bay area and there's a house
              down the street with one next to the US flag.  WTF?
              \_ Maybe getting up in his face would help resolve the situation,
                 especially if you are a minority or foreign born.
        \_ flying US flag == ok.  flying rebel flag == not so ok.  understand?
        \_ it's just a dukes of hazard thing
        \_ It's not typically about racism. It's about pride of independence.
           I went to the Jefferson Davis home and there were Confedertate
           flags everywhere (as you might guess) and race doesn't play any
           part in it. It might have 100 years ago, but not now.
           \_ Really? Do you know any black people that fly a confederate
              flay? Why not?
              flag? Why not?
              \_ I bought mine at a store in alabama from a black storekeeper.
              \_ I personally don't know *anyone* who flies a Confederate
                 flag. However, like I said, I saw some flying at the home
                 of Jefferson Davis. Do you think that's a statement on
                 race? I don't.
                 \_ I've seen it flown everwhere, from alabama to black rock
                    city.  You see what you want to see with it.  YMMV
                 \_ The problem with showing Ink Blob psychology pictures
                    to a nation as diverse as America is that you're
                    almost guaranteed to offend someone.
                    \_ You're guaranteed to offend someone no matter what
                       you do or don't do. I think a lot of Yankees find
                       the Confederate flag offensive, but I'm not sure
                       it's because of any racial issue. The Civil War
                       wasn't really about race. I spent some time touring
                       antebellum plantations this holiday and was told
                       that almost nothing changed in terms of treatment
                       or conditions for the 'slaves' after the Civil War
                       ended except that they drew meager salaries which
                       basically provided for their subsistence. Some of the
                       'slave's quarters' were used by sharecroppers up until
                       the 1970's. Southerners were very classist, certainly.
                       Maybe still are. However, the Confederate flag is not
                       some blatant symbol of racism like, say, the Swastika
                       is. If it makes people uncomfortable it's because it
                       reopens wounds that still haven't completely healed (on
                       both sides). Yankees like to play the race card more
                       than Southerners do when it comes to the Civil War and
                       the Confederacy which is, I think, how Lincoln and his
                       cabinet crafted things to be. (History is written
                       by the winners...) I've spent a lot of time in The
                       South and Yankees are guilty of perpetuating a lot of
                       ugly Southern stereotypes. It's just that in places like
                       SF there's no one to call them on it and so it becomes
                       fact to people who obtain all of their knowledge of
                       The South from "The Dukes of Hazzard".
                       \_ It's on TV, it's true. Moral of the story:
                          if you start a war, you better make sure you
                          win the war. WW2 turned a bunch of elitist
                          Japanese into Western material worshipping,
                          bukake loving wimps.
                       \_ The Civil War was certainly about slavery, even if
                          it wasn't about "race." Are you really this mis-
                          informed about American history, or are you just
                          trolling? Of course the Confederate flag is a symbol
                          of racism, perhaps not when flying over a monument,
                          but pretty much every racist group, including the
                          Klan and skinhead groups, uses it as one of their
                          symbols. You have a very simplistic view of The
                          Reconstruction and aftermath as well, btw. The
                          former slaves did not simply all turn into
                          sharecroppers. I agree with what you say about many
                          Californians idiotically assuming that everyone with
                          a Southern accent must be stupid and uneducated. I
                          was stationed in North Carolina for three years and
                          people there are no dumber than anywhere else. If
                          anything, race relations are probably a bit better
                          in The South than in The Bay Area today.
                          \_ The Civil War was not really about slavery.
                             Lincoln didn't free the slaves until it was
                             underway and not even in all states. That's not to
                             say that slavery wasn't a contributing factor
                             to the conflict. However, as you say, slavery
                             isn't race. Lincoln himself believed in white
                             supremacy.  Many (most?) Yankees opposed to
                             slavery were still racist and slavery was hardly
                             a Southern North American phenomenon. Slavery
                             hasn't been allowed for 140 years, but racism is
                             still alive and well in this country. The
                             Confederate flag isn't a symbol of racism any more
                             than is the American flag which the Klan proudly
                             displays at its rallies. BTW, I didn't say all
                             slaves turned into sharecroppers. I mentioned that
                             because it was clear that the Yankees didn't give
                             a shit about what happened to the slaves they
                             freed and many of them had the same (or worse)
                             lives after the Civil War. That's not to say
                             slaves preferred bondage, but it calls into
                             question Yankee motives when there were people
                             essentially working as paid slaves to wealthy
                             landowners at least until the 1970s if not
                             To be clear: I think the Confederate flag can
                             rightfully be construed as offensive, but not
                             because it represents racism. How would you
                             feel about someone flying the flag of the
                             USSR or North Korea?
                             \_ Your broad brush ignores the thousands of
                                "carpetbaggers" who risked everything to move
                                to The South to help blacks gain the rights to
                                vote and public education. Many of them ended
                                up killed for their efforts. Not to mention the
                                many northerners who stayed at home and
                                supported Republican causes. While it is true
                                that eventually most of the gains of the Civil
                                War were rolled back, it is a stretch to lay
                                this at the hands of "Yankees." It was mostly
                                Southern voters who created things like Black
                                Laws and Jim Crow. They had some support from
                                Northerners, to be sure, but not generally a
                                majority of them. In America today, wearing or
                                displaying the Confederate flag is generally
                                concered a statement supporting the ideals of
                                the Southern Rebellion, which inculded support
                                for slavery and the racism that implies. There
                                are exceptions of course, and everything
                                depends on circumstance (using one in a play
                                about the antebellum South, for example), but
                                a majority feels that way. You can argue until
                                you are blue in the face but it won't change
                                that fact.
                                \_ Do you have any evidence to support your
                                   fact that a majority of people associate the
                                   Confederate flag with racism? How much
                                   of a majority: 51% to 49%? What if 88%
                                   of people don't see a problem with it,
                                   but 12% do? Is that still okay? What if
                                   those 12% are also blacks? I'd like to see
                                   some statistics here.
                                   \_ Do you need to see statistics that
                                      flying the flag of the Third Reich
                                      has implications of anti-semitism?
                                      The Confederacy was a government that
                                      wanted to assert its right to make
                                      decisions separately from the federal
                                      government, and the major issue the
                                      rebel states wanted self-determination
                                      about was slavery.  It's disingenuous
                                      to say the Civil War wasn't about slavery
                                      just because the Emancipation
                                      Proclamation happened after it began;
                                      slavery was the #1 political issue
                                      of the time.  -tom
                                      \_ The Third Reich incinerated lots of
                                         Jews and made no apologies. On the
                                         other hand, the Confederates didn't
                                         do anything the Yankees didn't.
                                         It's not like the Union was
                                         exclusively comprised of states
                                         that did not own slaves or that
                                         Northerners were not racist. So,
                                         yes, I need to some some statistics.
                                         I saw some hand-waving on the
                                         Internets about most people (even
                                         most black people) *not* being
                                         offended by the Confederate flag.
                                         Cited was a Harris poll taken in
                                         1994, but Harris archives do not
                                         go back that far. Real data and
                                         not opinions taken as fact by Bay
                                         Area Yankees would be really useful.
                                         \_ People from California are generally
                                         \_ People from C[A] are generally
                                            not considered Yankees, or at least
                                            that is what I have been told by
                                            many Southerners. In any case,
                                            googling for "confederate flag
                                            gallup" gives you the results of
                                            a gallup poll in 1992 and 2000 on
                                            this topic. In 1992, 27% thought
                                            that displaying the Confederate
                                            Flag was primarily or partially
                                            racist, in 2000, the number was
                                            37%. They have not done a poll
                                            since then. A majority of blacks in
                                            Alabama voted to remove the "stars
                                            and bars" from the state flag, while
                                            a majority of whites voted the
                                            opposite. Gallup poll responders
                                            were split on the issue in 2000.
                                            and bars" from the state flag,
                                            while a majority of whites voted
                                            the opposite. Gallup poll
                                            responders were split on the issue
                                            in 2000.
                                            \_ California was fighting on
                                               the side of the Union,
                                               so...  Less than 40% of people
                                               consider it "partially racist".
                                               Therefore, most people do
                                               not consider it so.

                                               \_ Yes, I can do the math and I
                                                  see that my claim is not
                                                  supported by polls from 2000.
                                                  I would like more recent
                                                  numbers if possible, but in
                                                  any case, you can see why it
                                                  is a contentious issue.
        \_ This is not a symbol of racism:
           \_ I've noticed that hate websites really look like shit.
              This one isn't the worst I've seen, but is somewhat shitty.
2008/12/12-17 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:52237 Activity:high
12/12   Turns out it was the Dems in the senate who stopped the bailout
        \_ Right. And the Democrats are the ones who got us into the War
           in Iraq. Uh huh.
           \_ Uh, the vote for cloture was 52, with 4 D's voting nay and 4 not
              voting.  You think that's up for debate?
              \_ The vote was as follows:
                 Democrats: 42 Y 4 N 4 A
                 Republicans: 10 Y 40 N(and A)
                 And your conclusion is that the Democrats "stopped the
                 bailout" right?
        \_ Keep on pretending.
        \_ Good for them.  I'm disappointed that more aren't against it.  -tom
           \_ Woah, tom & I agree on something? -emarkp
              \_ tom, you, and I agree on this. But we're bound to agree
                 on tautologies, like oxygen is necessary for living,
                 drinking water is good for you, literacy is good etc.  -pollux
         \_ Yes, I figured this was implicit in my comment--an issue on
            which there are legitimate opinions on either side. -emarkp
            \_ socialising failure and communism for the rich is
               not a legitimate reason.  Historically this is chrysler
               bailout #2 so, so philosophically, morally, and
               historically this bailout shouldn't happen.  -pollux
               \_ who cares if we bailed out Chrysler before.  We bailed out
                  the world of finance in the 80s, why did we bail them out
                  \_ you had your socialist empire, it failed, leave us
                     alone.  No bailouts.
        \_ so we give 800 billion to the banks, and we cant give 15 bill
           to the industrial base?   great.
           \_ If you want the government to invest in the country's industrial
              base, then is handing 15-34 billion to these three companies
              really the best way to go about it?  Consider that this is more
              than these three companies put together are worth.
              \_ No, I think the idea is more that we can't afford another
                 1M unemployed right now.
              \_ It's time for poetic justice; we should have the auto
                 makers declare bankruptcy, and give their assets to
                 Amtrak, who will use them to develop trolley systems in
                 cities nationwide.  -tom
                 \_ There are about, what, eight cities in the nation that
                    would benefit by this? Fewer? And how many of those don't
                    already have a trolley or similar?
                    \_ I was joking, but every city would benefit by having
                       a trolley system.  Every city *did* benefit by having
                       a trolley system; they were widespread in the early
                       20th century.  They only were killed because of a
                       typically unfortunate marriage of politics and greed.
                       \_ Only in the sense that every city would also benefit
                          by having free public helicopter service.
                          \_ The ROI on commuter rail in most American cities
                             is better than ROI on roads.  -tom
        \_ Why was the plan blocked? An e-mail message circulated among Senate
           Republicans declared ... an opportunity ... to "take their first
           shot against organized labor."
           \_ i can fake email headers too
              \_ http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/15/opinion/15kristol.html
2008/12/9-12 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:52217 Activity:nil
12/9    The book burners of the left
        \_ What the fuck are you talking about?  Are you insane or just
        \_ I think I'm stupider for having read that.
        \_ Your reading comprehension is poor.
2008/12/3-7 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:52155 Activity:nil
12/3    Chambliss (R) wins in GA:
        http://preview.tinyurl.com/69ppdp [wash. post]
2008/12/2-7 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:52147 Activity:nil
12/2    Joke: CA passed a law for bigger cages. What are they going to
        do with the smaller cages?
        \_ Yes, that makes sense.  The state with the most progressive civil
           union laws will cage gays.  Sure.
           \_ It's a joke son.
              \_ A stupid joke. That ignores reality.
               \_ So a frog walks into a bar, slaps down a hundred dollar
                  bill saying "give me a beer."  Bartender hands over a beer
                  and, thinking "what does a frog know anything about
                  money?" says "That'll be $100 please."  The frog gives
                  him the money and starts drinking the beer.  As he's sitting
                  there the bartender starts to feel a bit guilty about
                  ripping the frog off, so he makes some smalltalk.  "We don't
                  get many frogs around here" he says and the frog replys
                  get many frogs in here" he says and the frog replys
                  "At prices like that I'm surpised you get anyone."
                  \_ A rabbi walks into a bar with a purple frog on his
                     shoulder.  The bartender says, "wow, where'd you get
                     that?"  The frog replies, "Brooklyn!  There's hundreds
                     of 'em."
               \_ And old man goes to confessional and says "Father, I'm
                  80 years old, I've been married for 55 years but last
                  night I had sex 6 times with 18 year old twins"  The
                  priest asks  "Ok.  How long has it been since your
                  last confession?"
                  "Oh I've never been, I'm Jewish father."
                  "Then why are you telling me?"
                  "Are you kidding, I'm telling everyone!"
               \_ Q. What's brown and sticky?
                  A. A stick

                  Two muffins are sitting in an oven.  One looks to the other
                  and asks, "Dude, is it getting really hot in here?"
                  The other replies, "HOLY SHIT!  A talking muffin!"
                \_ Knock knock.
                 \_ MOOOOOO!
           \_ What would make sense is to cage Mormons. I mean, they're
              already living in an overly sheltered world anyways, what
              difference will it make?
2008/11/25-12/2 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:52106 Activity:nil
11/25   State of California decides that complaint against Mormon Church
        for violating political financing laws is worth investigation:
        http://tinyurl.com/6e6mxb (SF Gate)
        \_ There's an editorial in the Chronicle today from a high school
           student who is mad people said mean things to him when he
           went to a Yes in 8 rally.  They were mean!  MEAN I TELL YOU.
           \_ At least she wasn't beaten by two grown men:
2008/11/21-28 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/California/Prop] UID:52069 Activity:nil
11/21   California now state with 3rd highest unemployment rate at 8.2%
        (behind Michigan and RI at 9.3%)
        \_ Just wait until Ahnold's new taxes kick in.
           \_ I'm looking forward to my new 11.25% sales tax rate.
              \_ Is this for reals or just a joke? URL?
              \_ REPEAL PROP 13!!!
2008/11/21 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:52064 Activity:nil
11/21   Franken's continuing efforts to steal an election
2008/11/17 [Politics/Domestic/California, Finance/Investment] UID:52014 Activity:nil 72%like:51977
11/14   http://delong.typepad.com/sdj/2008/11/worst-economic.html
        PSOTO thinks we're all gonna die.
        \_ lulz lulz   lulz   lulz      lulz   lulz     lulz        lulz
           \_ does this sequence converge?
        \_ That's a pretty terrifying chart
        \_ "worst downturn since the Great Depression" - duh?
           we're all gonna die / mad max?  I don't see that.
2008/11/16-17 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:51998 Activity:nil
11/17   Mormon Church claims it followed the law in Prop 8 spending reports:
        \_ ...and opponents say they didn't. Will be interested to see what
           the authorities conclude.
2008/11/15-26 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/911, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51994 Activity:nil
11/16   America: not racist anymore!
        \_ is that why people are celebrating, b/c their white guilt is over?
2008/11/14-26 [Politics/Domestic/California, Finance/Investment] UID:51977 Activity:low 72%like:51974 72%like:52014
11/14   lulz http://delong.typepad.com/sdj/2008/11/worst-economic.html
        BDELONG thinks we're all gonna die.
        \_ lulz lulz   lulz   lulz      lulz   lulz     lulz        lulz
           \_ does this sequence converge?
        \_ That's a pretty terrifying chart
        \_ "worst downturn since the Great Depression" - duh?
           we're all gonna die / mad max?  I don't see that.
2008/11/14-26 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:51975 Activity:nil
11/13   lulz Hey lulz guy, if you delete this one more time, I am going to start
        nuking the motd. -#1 lulz guy fan
        Complaint filed against Mormon church for lying about campaign
        contributions to Prop 8.
        \_ that is a gay blog
        \_ I hope you report on the result when this ridiculous case is thrown
           out.  Any lawsuits against other groups?  How about Rev. Wright's
           church?  How about any church that has had candidates behind the
           \_ lulz
           \_ Why would he? Let those with that interest post their own
              junk. No one's stopping them.
2008/11/14 [Politics/Domestic/California, Finance/Investment] UID:51974 Activity:nil 72%like:51977
11/14   http://delong.typepad.com/sdj/2008/11/worst-economic.html
        BDELONG thinks we're all gonna die.
2008/11/13 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Gay] UID:51963 Activity:nil
11/13  http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081108/ap_on_re_us/mormon_backlash_boycott_2
2008/11/12-26 [Politics/Domestic/California, Reference/Military] UID:51955 Activity:nil 66%like:51950
11/12   http://preview.tinyurl.com/5ajv4e [la times]
        SCOTUS hates whales.
        \_ Save the whales - collect the entire set.
           For those who are interested, here is a link to the opinion:
2008/11/12-26 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:51953 Activity:nil
11/12   Democrat Begich takes 3-vote lead in Alaska Senate race
        ...how would this not trick an automatic recount or
        special run-off election?
        \_ Aren't you supposed to be banging some hot 22 year old with an
           ass that melts butter or something? Did she dump you?
        \_ Did you even read your own article.
           \_ Of course not!
2008/11/12 [Politics/Domestic/California, Reference/Military] UID:51950 Activity:nil 66%like:51955
11/12  http://www.latimes.com/business/la-na-scotus13-2008nov13,0,4304606.story
        USSC hates whales.
2008/11/11-26 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Gay] UID:51921 Activity:nil
11/11   Forces of tolerance in Palm Springs
        http://tinyurl.com/6x4dl7 (Fox affiliate news piece on old lady
        demanding to protest The Gay amidst Prop 8 opposition)
        \_ You shouldn't have to tolerate bigotry and hate
           \_ Yet we have to put up with you?
2008/11/10-26 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/President] UID:51904 Activity:nil
11/10   Why $700B in bailout money?  Here is one chart:
        \_ http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2008/10/30
           Can't cut GS bonus money this year, can we?
2008/11/7-13 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Gay] UID:51868 Activity:low
11/7    Now that prop 8 looks like it's passed, does that mean all married
        gay couples have to file taxes separately again, and revert any other
        agreements from married to domestic partner (if it existed)?
        \_ Presumably not until after the case is heard.
           \_ I think it should be in effect the day the results are certified,
              unless there's an injuction. -op
        \_ Even if the courts ok it, it isn't clear what will happen to
           people who were married before the gay marriage man.
           \_ well, doesn't prop 8 define marriage as between a man and a woman
           \_ doesn't prop 8 define marriage as between a man and a woman
        \_ did some more reading.  apparently the fact that it may
           (a) retroactively penalize individuals and (b) conflict with equal
           protection argues the "existing marriages still valid" case. -op
           \_ Uh, emancipation retroactively punished the slaveowners.
              \_ Uh, no. Since the human beings were no longer property, no
                 penalty was accrued. Now, if the slaveowners had had to make
                 reparations, that would have been punishment.
                 \_ uh, they'd paid money for slaves.  the slaves were then
                    released.  Where'd that investment go?
                    \_ By the terms of emancipation, they could not own the
                       slaves to begin with. There was no more investment
                       here than there would be in purchasing uncontained
                       oxygen. The risk that they assumed in purchasing
                       slaves (i.e., that slavery would be abolished)
                       was merely part of the cost, not a retroactive
                 \_fascism   is the name of an
                   ancient   way  o f  keeping
                   a group   t o g e t h e r ;
                   unified   against
                   cult of ego worship; usury!
                             so that   w e can
                   pursue holism i n   seeking
                   the path to truth   hidden;
                   this is but o n e   veritas
                   \_ Wow!  What a subliminal message.
2008/11/6-13 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Foreign, Politics/Domestic/California/Prop] UID:51866 Activity:low
        \_ Yes? What about it? Young people today with nothing to lose
           but everything to gain from Socialism, embrace it. We're
           tired of having sucky infrastructures and unfairness.
           Let us all embrace socialism.
           \_ Why do you think they have nothing to lose?
              \_ Read Prop 13 history and ramifications
        \_ I presume you are free-market type.  Please do tell me you
           oppose the 700 billion bail out package.  Please tell me you
           do support the abolishment of
           - SEC
           - FDIC
           - FDA
           - minimum wage
           - child labor law
           - ban on human trafficking
           and let the invisible hand does everything.
           \_ Excellent straw man sir!
              \_ oh yeah? why don't you take a shot at it.  Free Market right?
                do you support the 700 billion bail out?  do you support
                government bail out of GM/Ford?  do you support government
                in effect double our national debt by acquiring AIG (liability
                on AIG's book constitute as part of national debt).
                Do you support roll back of margin requirement regulations
                that imposed by FDR?  Do let me know.  Because *PERSONALLY*
                given the choice of government take over these failed companies
                versus just hand out free cash to them with little or no
                string attached, I prefer the former.  If a company is too big
                to fail, then, it's to big.  Let it fail as free market
                dictate, right?
        \_ You know, I'd say 8 of the top 10 nicest countries to
           live in in the world are socialist.
           \_ Which are the other two? Switzerland and Singapore?
           \_ Nicest for who? You need to think about that.
              \_ I'm the decider, and I decide what is best for the
                 country.                               -GWB
        \_ Wow, I think this is the most efficent troll I have ever
           seen.  Bravo!
           \_ Seconded. It takes the Art of Troll to the next level. Kudos!
        \_ Key word: socialism
           \_ BUD CORT doesn't like your tone.  Obviously you've never
           \_ BUD CORT doesn't like your tone.  Obviously you've never been
2008/11/6-13 [Politics/Domestic/Gay, Politics/Domestic/California] UID:51863 Activity:moderate
11/6    Does anyone know why most of the coastal counties are anti prop 8
        and most of the inland counties are for prop 8?
        \_ Because people who live near the coast tend to be more wealthy
           and worldly, while people stuck inland tend to be landlocked
           \_ ^hick^yokel
           \_ racist! eh, yokelist!
           \_ Um, you did see that 70% blacks voted yes on 8? Not even
              Christians voted yes on it at that high of a rate.
              \_ Blacks have a tendency to exhibit hick-like behavior.
                 \_ racist
        \_ The big cities are coastal.  Urban centers tend to be more lefty.
           Besides, if you were to guess where gay people lived, wouldn't SF
           and LA be high up on your list?
           \_ No, just SF. LA's only gay spot is N Hollywood, which is
              nothing compared to SF. As for the rest like Orange County,
              it's very much a non-religious Republican stronghold with
              lots of people believing in family values.
              \_ It's WEST Hollywood. North Hollywood is a rough area in
                 the valley. No self-respeting gay man would be caught dead
                 \_ At that point, his location probably wouldn't be up to him.
                  \_ Congratulations, you get the joke
              \_ "family values" in the OC include ignoring your children,
                 cheating on your spouse, divorcing, and having abortions in
                 other parts of CA so as to avoid running into someone you
                 know at the clinic. Fuck OC.
                 \_ I've heard so much about the OC. I've seen it in
                    Desperate Housewives. But tell us more about the OC,
                    I'd like to hear from someone who actually experienced it
                    \_ Got a car? No? Don't bother.
                    \_ I'd like to hear from someone who actually experienced
2008/11/5 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan] UID:51845 Activity:nil
11/5    RIP Michael Crichton:
        http://preview.tinyurl.com/5uo43y [cnn]
2008/11/5 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:51841 Activity:very high
11/5    I can't believe Proposition 8 passed... further proof that California
        is full of ignorant people and bigots.
                                         \_ When flaming people for ignorance,
                                            run your comments through
                                            [Don't delete this, please.  This
                                            is a flame for your spelling.]
        \_ MORMON POWER! Don't mess with us!
        \_ ob why do you want public school to turn your kids gay
        \_ What I find strange is that on one hand Prop 8 passed, while on the
           other hand Californials voted for Obama over McCain by a wide
           margin.  They seem contradictory.
           \_ Why, because Obama "married" a transgender "man"?
              \_ Because Prop 8 is a high-profile proposition and Obama opposes
                 it.  -- PP
                 \_ He also opposes same-sex marriage.
           \_ Multi-tiered issue voting.
           \_ Blacks tend to be more religious and less accepting of
              homosexuality; they turned out in droves to vote for Obama.
              \_ Exit polls disagree with you.
2008/11/4-5 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:51828 Activity:high
11/4    Regardless of the outcome, I'm very proud of all the Americans
        who voted today. We've come a long way and it's amazing that
        women & black men actually have a chance of winning. Something
        like this was unthinkable in the 60s. We've come a long way.
        \_ not really.  they all suported the bailout which continues to come
           pouring out of our pockets.  maybe it was necessary to win the
           election, but it's still fucked up.
        \_ Considering that we voted for a black president even though the
           population is 80% white and 13% black, yes we've come a long way.
           Or, Bush has come a long way to screw up his party that even a
           black candidate could beat the Republican nominee.
           black candidate (let alone the first major one in US history) could
           beat the Republican nominee.
        \_ You're proud of all who voted?  That's incredibly vacuous.
        \- in 2004 when bush was re-elected, i was really demoralized that
           this wasnt just "four more years" but said something bigger and
           something awful about america and intolerance and parochialism and
           appeals to the "worse angels of out nature". now on the other
           hand i am amazed the first black president isnt a 65yrs old
           black man raised in a affulent suburb of new york city with a
           long moderate legislative history who only made it to the top
           after being tapped as VP or Secy State or other national
           office by "the establishment" or a distinguished military career
           [sort of a colin powell senario ... except it would be the yr 2052].
           it is so amazing the man to took us here was is a young man, without
           any political connections and exceeding modest family background,
           a father from "exotic kenya", a mother with an odd lifestyle,
           who grew up in indonesia and hawaii, has the middle name "hussein",
           was a professor at an elite college ... pointinheaded, academically
           inclined university of chicago for crying out loud ... built a
           campaign apparatus against a consciousless, highly resourced
           heir apparent ... it is amazing epic story. with a sad and poignant
           "literary" turn at the very end with the death of the grandmother
           [the details of his relationship with her have their own amazing
           almost "literary" quality ... like thier greyhound trip across
           the country]. just amazing. --psb
           \_ Yes, except California is still full of biggots. Prop 8 passed.
                                                      \_ And illiterates,
           \_ Yes, except California is still full of bigots. Prop 8 passed.
              \_ MORMON POWER!!!
           \_ Yes, except that the winner is still the one with X times (I
              think it's 8) campaign spending over the loser.
              think it's 7) campaign spending over the loser.
              \- this is not like corzine in new jersey. they fact that so
                 much of the money came from people giving a continual
                 stream of small donations suggested they were engaged rather
                 than "throwing money at the problem". one reason for the
                 strength of conversative causes like pro-lifers is they
                 are willing to make ssacrifices for their beliefs, such as
                 spending a afternoon agitating about their cause rather than
                 drinking beers and playing pool. a better criticism might
                 be "well all he had to do was beat Hilary (the extreme liar)
                 and then coast to victory ... it doesnt say that much about
                 america" but i dont agree with that either. although he does
                 get more propers for beating a cockroach like her who would
                 not go gently into the night and felt differnt rules applied
                 to her.
2008/11/4-5 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51823 Activity:nil
11/4    What graphical/topo map web site do you guys use to track latest poll
        results live? Does it show trend, volumn, etc easily?
        \_ Where can I find live results for Prop 8? I really want to
           know where people stand on Prop 8, geographically.
        \_ http://maps.google.com/help/maps/elections/#2008_election
        \_ http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008
        \_ NYT iPhone dashboard (webpage, not a stupid, buggy app):
2008/11/4 [Politics/Domestic/California, Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:51808 Activity:low
11/4    reload this several thousand times today:
        \_ It seems to refresh automatically.
        \_ It's strange.  I get the zoom buttons in IE7 but not Firefox 2,
           while I get maps for Alaska and Hawaii at the bottom left in
           Firefox 2 but not in IE7.
2008/11/3 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:51804 Activity:kinda low
11/3    I just heard that Republicans are supposed to vote WEDNESDAY.
        Make sure you spread this news!
        \_ Republicans vote tomorrow; Dems vote Wednesday!
           \_ I just heard that Replblicans say that Democrats are supposed to
              vote Wednesday.  Make sure you spread the news that Republicans
              are spraeding this news!
2008/11/3 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:51795 Activity:high
11/3    Protect Marriage and vote YES ON EIGHT! Trickle down economy
        works. Let's cut tax till the beast is starving. Let California
        go bankrupt! Iraq War is good. God Bless. -Reagan loving zombie troll
        \_ What's Obama's position on CA Prop 8, or the same issue on national
           \_ Obama is anti-8
        \_ Congratulations. You've made more No on 8 voters with your h0zery.
2008/11/3 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Gay, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51788 Activity:moderate
11/3    Obama, a former constitutional law professor, said last year that he
        would look for candidates with "the heart, the empathy, to recognize
        what it's like to be a teenage mom. The empathy to understand what
        it's like to be poor, or African American, or gay, or disabled, or
        old."  Oh good, wouldn't want judges to just, you know, apply the law.
        \_ This was on the motd 6 days ago.
        \_ GOOD. I hate rich white people. They need to get the fuck
           out of MY California.
        \_ The implication is that under judges appointed by the GOP, the law
           has not been applied fairly to the people he lists. His appointments
           would bring balance to the Force. He is the vergence.
2008/11/3-4 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:51787 Activity:nil
11/3    Dear Prop 8 fanatics:
        Click on the advertisement that goes AGAINST your belief. Congrats!
        You've wasted your opponent 15-50 cents. Send this message to
        your friends!!
           \_ Desperation level plaid.
2008/11/2-4 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/California/Arnold] UID:51781 Activity:moderate
11/2    EXTREMELY long rant against Proposition 8 and judicial
        activism relocated to /tmp/MarriageRant.  Read it there.
        Leave it there.
        \_ The rant there is *for* prop 8
        \_ Pro prop 8 guy needs to be squished. I'm voting against Prop 8
           for the sake of giving conservatives my message: Get your
           entire fucking conservative family out of my state. Go back
           to Utah and Texas.
           \_ Yeah! No Free Speech for Facists!
              \_ Prop 8 guy needs to be squished for scripting the motd, not
                 for his politics.
           \_ Since 61% voted for 22, I think you're the one in the wrong
              \_ eight years is a long time
              \_ Indeed, the judicial decision overturning Prop 22 was 4-3.
                 \_ prime example of legislating from the Bench.
                   the US is for the people by the people. .not by judges
                   \_ Of course Arnold vetoed a bill allowing gay marriage
                      saying it was something for the courts to rule on.
                      But don't stop that from influencing your talking points.
        \_ The POWER of sed
        \_ TL:DR
2008/10/31 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:51763 Activity:high
10/31   Look asshole, NO ONE cares what YOU think ok? Vote your vote,
        we don't care. Fucking asshole. If you want to post an essay
        over 24 lines, put it on a blog. We'll respond to it maturely.
        \_ Free speech for me, but not for thee, eh?
           \_ Cut/paste from other source is not free speech, it is
              abusing motd. Cut it out.
           \_ it's too long, dude - clip out your one favorite, short part, and
              link the rest
              \_ Seriously.  It's a long ass rant that you are cutting and
                 pasting.  We all know how the web works, we are all
                 capable of using a browser.
2008/10/31 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:51758 Activity:nil
10/31   [vote no on everything]
2008/10/31 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:51757 Activity:high
10/31   Who is the fuckstick that keeps spamming the motd with that
        california proposition trash?  Go eat a bag of dicks, shitstain.
        -anti-free speech sadan
2008/10/31-11/1 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/California/Arnold] UID:51754 Activity:low Entry has been invalidated. Access denied.
2008/10/30-31 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:51743 Activity:nil
10/30   Why is a vote for Barack Obama a vote for the death of Israel?
        \_ I'm excited about President Blackman
           \_ Because he has no Holocaust Guilt.
2008/10/29 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:51730 Activity:nil
10/29   People of Southern California unite and say yes to 8!!!
        \_ ob what about nocal
2008/10/28-31 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:51715 Activity:nil
10/28   If Measure R passes, how will the bankrupt CA pay for billion $$$?
        \_ Isn't that an LA measure? Why would it bankrupt CA?
        \_ I'm pretty sure Measure R is going to be funded by an increase
           in sales tax which is controlled by the county.
2008/10/28-30 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/California] UID:51710 Activity:nil
10/27   More massive republican voter fraud
2008/10/27-30 [Politics/Domestic/California, Industry/Jobs] UID:51698 Activity:nil
10/27   Tech layoff list
        \_ Qimonda is laying off 3000 people? I have never even heard of these
           guys before. The funniest thing is that two different companies
           have contacted me via LinkedIn to see if I wanted to interview
           for a VP job at their startup just in the last week or so.
           \_ Qimonda is a German company. Is this supposed to be a world-wide
              list of layoffs or something?
2008/10/27 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic] UID:51695 Activity:nil
10/27   Tech layoffs
2008/10/25-28 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/California/Arnold] UID:51684 Activity:nil
10/25   Voted today down at the Alameda Registrar (courthouse between 13th
        and 12th, on Oak in Oakland). Easy to do, highly recommended.
        Exactly the same as filling out an Absentee Ballot. --erikred
        \_ Can I do this on a sunday?
           \_ Absolutely: http://www.acgov.org/rov/earlyvoting.htm
              Saturday and Sunday: 10:00 am to 3:00 pm
        \_ How do i do this in San Francisco?
           \_ Civic center.
        \_ More details on Early Voting on http://SFGate.com:
2008/10/25-28 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic] UID:51680 Activity:nil
10/25   I embrace socialism and white women.  Seriously.
        \- you may wish to see: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1105762
        \_ same here. I am young, hard working, and smart, yet I'm not
           getting the same piece of piece as the older generation. Why?
           Because capitalism IS NOT WORKING. I have nothing to lose
           and everything to gain by voting for Socialism. Bring it on.
           Young people of American, let's all vote for socialism NOW!!!
2008/10/25-28 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:51678 Activity:nil
10/25   REAL Vote fraud^H^H^H^H^Hintimidation, courtesy the New Mexico
2008/10/23-27 [Reference/Religion, Politics/Domestic/California] UID:51650 Activity:nil
10/23   Actually, Mormons contributing 77% of pro-prop 8 funds
        \_ what would Jesus ban?  -tom
           \_ Apparently, someone felt it was important to censor
              my comment that the Mormon church has taken up
              the torch of intolerance.  Truth hurts, eh?  How about
              trying to justify Mormons as being 'pro family'?  You'd
              be wrong, but at least you wouldn't be a censorfuck.
              \_ Since this comment is still here, you were probably just
                 squished.  Get over it.
2008/10/23-28 [Politics/Domestic/California, Reference/Tax] UID:51646 Activity:nil
10/23   House Dems want to remove 401K tax-break, and use proceeds for more
        Social Secuirty.
           The three TIE fighters move ever closer, closing in on Luke and
           The three TIE fighters move ever closer, closing in on Luke and Biggs
        \_ What proceeds? It just means people will save less for retirement.
           If I contribute $100/month now I will contribute $70/month then
           (or whatever the math is) to make my take home about the same.
2008/10/22-27 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Gay] UID:51636 Activity:nil
10/22   Mormon church bankrolling pro-prop 8 effort
2008/10/21-22 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51606 Activity:nil
10/21   I think McCain's only going to win Alaska and Arizona
        \_ No, he'll get Texas too.  I think it'll be 300 votes for
           Obama, no more.  Wouldn't put money on it though.  --PM
           \_ 380 -Liberal Elitist
              Plus add IN and WV.
        \_ he's got Alaska, Arizona, Texas, Utah and New Hampshire LOCKED UP
        \_ Palin is KICKING SERIOUS ASS in Nevada.  That's gotta be
           3 or 4 electoral votes right there.
2008/10/21-22 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51601 Activity:kinda low
10/21   why does Palin say things like 'my fellow alaskans were given
        the opportunity to finally vote on the possibility of an amendment
        to their constitution in this great state of Alaska!'?  it drives
        me crazy.
        \_ You don't know that this is the first time that citizens of a state
           in Russia can vote on the possibility of an amendment to their
           constitution?  Palin the Russian state governor knows that.
2008/10/20-22 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:51590 Activity:nil
10/20   GOP: Vote Fraud!  Vote Fraud....Vote Fra....oh...errr....
        quick, look over there!
2008/10/19-21 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:51581 Activity:low
10/19   Real voter fraud by a serial fraudster:
        \_ But child molester haters SHOULD in fact get 2 votes! I mean,
           what kind of American does not want to impose stiffer child
           molester laws? Liberals?
           \_ NAMBLA members.
2008/10/17 [Politics/Domestic/California, Reference/Law/Court] UID:51556 Activity:moderate
10/16   ACORN really is the biggest threat to democracy?  Holy shit.  Who
        knew get out the vote drives were so dangerous.
        \_ Uh, didn't know it was "the biggest".  You might want to check out
           the situation in Ohio though.
           \_ "We need to know the full extent of Sen. Obama's
              relationship with ACORN, who is now on the verge of maybe
              perpetrating one of the greatest frauds in voter history in
              this country, maybe destroying the fabric of democracy."
              The fact the McCain is morally bankrupt enough to say this
              in a debate is just... well.. wow.
              \_ The GOP is playing a very dangerous game here, by threatening
                 violence if they lose. They could really end up in a very
                 big hole for a very long time if they follow through on that
           \_ What, where the supreme court agreed that the voter
           \_ What, where the supreme court unanimously agreed that the voter
           \_ What, where the supreme court unanimously agreed that voter
              disenfranchisment is not a valid campagin tactic?
2008/10/16-20 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51549 Activity:nil
10/15   Nope, no Republican Racism here!
2008/10/16-20 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/911] UID:51544 Activity:nil
10/16   Here we go...last gasp attempt to use FBI/DOJ to suppress the vote
2008/10/15-17 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/SocialSecurity] UID:51539 Activity:nil
10/15   What. The. Hell.
2008/10/14-17 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/California] UID:51531 Activity:nil 80%like:51524
10/14   This is what election fraud looks like
2008/10/14 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/California] UID:51524 Activity:nil 80%like:51531
10/14   This is what election fraud looks like
        \_ http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2008/10/what-actual-election-fraud-looks-like.html
2008/10/14-16 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:51516 Activity:nil
10/14   What are some of the safer CA muni bond fund you guys have?
        Just researching right now into 1-5 year safe investments that
        would hopefully beat CDs...
2008/10/13-16 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:51508 Activity:nil
10/13   I'm interested in buying CA bonds
        What's a good broker to use? Etrade is not listed.
        \_ Why?  CA is likely to default.
           \_ What the hell does this mean? Can American default?
              \_ Yes.  T-bills are now insured for the first time.  CA is
                 marching towards bankruptcy.  Every other state facing budget
                 shortfalls is cutting spending, except CA of course.
        \_ ETrade sells CA bonds. I have bought them there many times.
2008/10/13-16 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51505 Activity:nil
10/13   Tom Foley's replacement has his own sex scandal
2008/10/11-15 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51475 Activity:low
10/11   Hilarious Acorn slimey lawyer.  What a dirtbag.
        \_ Josh Marshall has the clearest explanation for all this, but
           I'm sure it won't penetrate your tinfoil hat:
           \_ What it comes down to is the whole Acorn story is another
              dangerous mistruth being spread by the McCain campaign.
              McCain has proven over and over again he has no problem with
              telling massive lies if he thinks it will help him.
              \_ The gist is that Acorn pays unemployed and sometimes
                 even homeless people to collect signatures.  This is
                 a dubious tactic, because the collectors have a huge
                 incentive to produce fake registration documents
                 in return for cold cash.  This is is why the Democratic
                 party doesn't associate with Acorn.  However, it's
                 not a sign of a nefarious plot of any kind, and in fact
                 there has never been a documented instance of anyone
                 trying to *use* these fake registrations.  If you
                 register as a member of the Dallas Cowboys or
                 Mickey Mouse, you're not going to be able to vote.
                 Vote fraud occurs only if you *try* to make an
                 illegal *vote*.  Acorn in fact reported a lot of the
                 fake registrations *themselves*.  The fact is that
                 the right is trying to make a huge deal out of this
                 because they know they're going to lose and they
                 want to deligitamize the results.  A coordinated vote
                 fraud effort of the sort suggested by the right is
                 a tinfoil hat fantasy that would be next to impossible
                 to pull off, and years of investigations by Bush
                 justice department officials have never turned up
        \_ We need to find a way to turn right wing nutjob paniced desperation
           into energy.  It could get us off foreign oil in days.  How do you
           fall for this premptive THEY STOLE THE ELECTION bullshit?  Are you
           that stupid?  Here's a hint.  Every voter registration drive
           gets bullshit registrations.  That's why they are looked over
           by the state.  Acron does flag some as pretty obvious fakes but
           STILL HAVE TO SUBMIT THEM.  You are not allowed to collect
           voter registrations and then throw some of them out.  Otherwise
           you would have sleazy registration drives where people who
           "register" people and then decide "hey all these registrations
           for the party I don't like, I think they are 'invalid'".  (Although
           that's more of a Republican tactic, consdidering the Republican
           party seems to think legal disenfrancisment of legitimate minorty
           voters an acceptable tactic.)
           \_ What made me laugh about this guy is how he'd complain about
              anyone interrupting, but constantly interrupted Fund.  And
              whenever he was factually called on issues (by the Dem official
              in NV for instance) he's just spin and divert.  Slimey lawyer.
              Acorn is in trouble, seeing as it's being investigated in 12
              states, and this guy isn't helping. -op
              \_ Investigated by an administration that has turned the
                 justice department into a political tool.  Investigated
                 by an adminstration the illegally fired federal prosecutors
                 who told them they weren't going to proscecute bogus voter
                 fraud cases.  Investigated by an adminstration whose party
                 has tried time and time to illegally disenfrancise minority
                 voters purely because they tend to vote for the other party.
                 People who worry about a vast brown person voter fraud
                 army are one step below Ron Paul supporters.  Then again,
                 you do watch Fox and Friends and think it is legit news.
                   \_ Actually, no I don't.  But nice conspiracy theory there,
                      speaking of tinfoil hats. -op
                      \_ Then why did you post a Fox and Friends clip as if
                         was legit?
                         \_ Uh, the conversation took place, no?
                          \_ When did you stop beating your wife?
2008/10/10-15 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51466 Activity:nil
10/9    The gist of the ACORN story
        \_ Do you think the Wingers are trying to whip their crowd into
           \_ http://www.city-journal.org/2008/eon1009jl.html
2008/10/9-15 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:51461 Activity:high
10/9    If I were STILL in equities now (let's say a relative said FUCK-O,
        YOU WERE RIGHT! and gave me control of his account), I would liquidate
        50% at the bell, and liquidate the rest of the 50% on any bounce over
        the next month.
        The bounce I am looking for is Treasury participating in the LEH CDS
        auction Friday or announcing imminent injection of capital into a
        couple willing banks, or most likely, some international agreement over
        the weekend.
        \_ All you Chicken Littles are beyond ridiculous. There is no
           fundamental reason for a broad selloff right now. It's just FUD.
           Buy when the market is fearful.
           \_ the market has been calmly selling off on fundamentals.  I don't
              think real panic selling has set in.
              \_ I had a good day today buying MS, GE, and GS near the lows.
                 What about you?
                 \_ expecting a bounce with some international agreement over
                    the weekend -op
                 \_ Already doubled my MS price. Today was a good day.
                    \_ Very nice.  Are you going to dump it soon?
                       \_ In @ 7.78, Out @ 18.00
              \_ "Stocks have finished their worst week ever with an eighth
                  straight day of losses." You don't think that history making
                  losses have anything to do with panic selling?
                  \_ all right, some people are selling in a panic.  but my
                     thesis is:  you haven't seen real panic selling yet, and
                     you just might.  Regardless, you will still see a
                     continuing sell-off on fundamentals over time.
                     \_ Any idea why PCG (PG&E) fell 10% today?
                        \_ At one point it was down 20%.
                     \_ Or why CA Munis paying 6% tax free fell 5% today?
                        \_ CA is bankrupt so I understand that one.
                           \_ No, that is not why they dropped so far on one
                              day. I actually think I do know, and I was kind
                              of wondering if you have figured it out, too.
                              Assuming that you are the same LEH CDS guy who
                              has been calling (correctly, so far) for everyone
                              to pull out. I think we are overdue for a severe
                              to pull out of the market.
                              \_ No idea why. Do tell.
                                 \_ I think this is due to hedge fund margin
                                    calls. They are selling the only good
                                    assets they have on their books.
        \_ Selling at the bell would have been a bad strategy today. What we
           are seeing is called "flushing out the weak hands."
           \_ yep, I was thinking a better idea was to sell into an end of day
              rally, but the idea was that I would have 50% more to get rid of
              on a larger multi-week rally. -op
2008/10/9 [Politics/Domestic/California, Recreation/Food] UID:51455 Activity:high
10/9    What's the point of treating animals nicely and then kill them
        for consumption at the end?
        \_ Because some people care about not causing suffering.  Just
           because they are going to be food doesn't mean they need to
           live painful, miserable lives until then.
           \_ So how is the new CA prop going to affect prices at
              Ruth's Chris?                     -animal lover. yummy
           \_ I don't know about this prop myself.  I generally figure
              chicken farmers know more about chickens than I do.  The
              guy I talked to said that chickes seem to prefer
              individual smallish cages, there's no fighting for one thing.
              I'm not sure how small you can go before it's too small though.
              I've noticed that animal right's types tend to over
              anthropromorphize animals.  I haven't fully read the prop yet
              either though.
              \_ I don't know how I'm voting on 2 (I suspect I'm going to
                 vote no on the hate initiatives that are made feel good
                 vote no on the hate initiatives that are made to feel good
                 platform.)  But I do understand giving a shit about how
                 food animals are raised.
        \_ Nicely raised animals probably yeild more/higher quality meat b/c
           they get sufficient nourishment and can better fight off diseases.
           But on a purely philosophical level, there is no point. -vegetarian
        \_ Animals that are stressed do not yield high quality products.
           Kobe beef get a lot of special care and look at the prices
           versus the poor cows made to wallow in their own shit. The Kobe
           beef has a lot of marbling that other beef does not. If you've
           ever raised animals you'd know that you need to take care of
           them or else you will get sick, stressed animals. Maybe you
           want to eat sick animals which are then pumped full of
           antibiotics to 'heal' them but I don't.
        \_ People die too eventually -- why treat them nicely?
           \_ I didn't know there are cannibals on soda.  -- !OP
              \_ Why does it make a difference whether you eat the dead
                 thing or not?
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