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| 2012/10/17-12/4 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:54503 Activity:nil |
10/17 This is how election photo ops are created.
http://www.csua.org/u/xzu (news.yahoo.com)
\_ "Soup kitchen in Ryan photo op losing donors" http://www.csua.org/u/y0z
Thank you Ryan! Thank you very much!
\_ http://americablog.com/2012/10/romney-ryan-supporters-destroy-photo-opp-soup-kitchen.html |
| 2012/10/12-12/4 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:54497 Activity:nil |
10/12 "Climate Solution: Pay True Cost of Fossil Fuels, NASA Scientist Says"
http://www.csua.org/u/xyg (news.yahoo.com)
\_ Sounds great, but it would be easier (though by no means easy)
to end the $5bn in fossil fuel tax subsidies the US has in place.
And that's merely a third of what we as a nation spend to
subsidize fossil fuels.
\_ What other kind of subsidies are there?
\_ The GOP will never let it happen.
\_ It's strange that while the GOP supports low tax and small
government spending in general, they support taxing for the
purpose of subsidizing gasoline. Hypocracy? -- OP
\_ Old Boy Network: protect the rich, and steal from the
less rich. Cf. the I-didn't-need-gubmint-money malarkey.
\_ you mean the Democraps can never make it happen because
they're pussies?
\_ You'd need a real slash-and-burn hard-nose reformer to
do the job, and that would guarantee a one-term
presidency. No career politician could do it (with the
possible exception of Kucinich, but then we're just
being silly).
\_ It would require a filibuster proof majority in The
Senate, along with The House and The Presidency.
This ain't happening. |
| 2012/10/7-11/7 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:54494 Activity:nil |
10/7 In practice, how long are HIGH SCHOOL transcript kept? I'm asking
because I'm wondering if people can dig up my shady past.
I was a bad kid.
\_ I would doubt that they are ever destroyed. What would you
do about it in any case? Try not to worry too much about
things you have no control over.
\_ Pretty much irrelevant once you have your degree, a job, and
a decade between you and it, unless you want a job with the
FBI, in which case they're going to get more info from your
former schoolmates than your school is likely to share anyway.
\_ what if I get into politics and someone digs up my transcript
and history of shady things and post it online?
\_ You can preemptively post your past at the beginning of your
political career. Plus you can use your coming-clean and
apparent "rebirth" as a selling point. --- !PP
\_ If you get into politics and all it takes to get people to
vote *against* you is your high school transcript, then you
have provided utterly no reason for them to vote *for* you.
\_ #1 mistake in politics: ignoring emotional appeals to
Americans.
\_ If Obama can hide his Harvard college transcripts this long,
then I would imagine you would be able to keep your high
school transcripts secret.
\_ Repeat of previous answer: they're going to get more info
from your former schoolmates than your school is likely
to share.
\_ my schoolmates love me, but my teachers hated me.
so I guess I just need to wait eh? -op
\_ Well, let's just say you don't want to run on
what people thought of you in school, then. |
| 2012/6/22-7/20 [Politics/Domestic/California, Science/GlobalWarming] UID:54420 Activity:nil |
6/22 "Study: The U.S. could be powered by 80% green energy in 2050"
http://www.csua.org/u/wtz (news.yahoo.com)
\_ How many Republicans does it take to make green energy?
-150,000,000! Ding ding ding!
\_ Because having control of the White House and both houses of
Congress wasn't enough (ie, the do nothing and blame the
Republicans period after the 2008 elections) ? That's what it
takes for the Democrats to get anything done? A complete
absence of any opposition at all? Sure.
\_ Never underestimate Dems ability to get nothing done if it
requires cooperation, but ignoring repeated threats of
filibuster on the part of the GOP and still blaming the
Dems for getting nothing done is perverse. -!op
\_ Obama spent far too long trying to get the GOP to sign
off on some kind of health care reform, I agree. But even
with 60 Dems, he could not get anything significant done
on climate change because a few Democrats from coal states
were not on board. |
| 2012/5/6-6/4 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:54382 Activity:nil |
5/6 "'Positive Bias' May Be Hurting Minority Students"
http://www.csua.org/u/wb0 (news.yahoo.com) |
| 2011/12/29-2012/2/6 [Politics/Domestic/California, Health/Disease/General] UID:54275 Activity:nil |
12/29 "Venezuela's Chavez: Did U.S. give Latin American leaders cancer?"
http://www.csua.org/u/v3q
Looks like Chavez has more faith in US technology than Americans do. |
| 2011/8/14-27 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/President] UID:54163 Activity:nil |
8/11 What happened to the anti-government dude?
"A recent report from the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities
showed that nearly all states will spend less on vital services in
2012 than they did in 2008, after inflation, even though there
are more children in public schools and more poor people on the
Medicaid rolls."
http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=3550
You must be overjoyed with how the economy is going right now.
\_ Starve the beast. |
| 11/22 |
| 2011/7/26-8/6 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:54144 Activity:nil |
7/26 Oregon Congressman David Wu says he's resigning - Yahoo! News:
http://www.csua.org/u/tvq
"Democratic Rep. David Wu of Oregon has announced that he is resigning
in the wake of allegations that he had a sexual encounter with an
18-year-old woman."
Given that:
1. The Age of Consent in Oregon is 18,
2. He filed for separation from his wife two years ago,
why did he need to resign?
\_ You'll never get it.
\_ By hook or by crook we will.
\_ "allegations he engaged in 'aggressive and unwanted sexual
behavior' with a young woman."
http://www.csua.org/u/tvu (cbsnews)
\_ I see. I guess Yahoo News (Associated Press) didn't tell the
whole story. -- OP
\_ I know I am a sick puppy, but what exactly went on here?
I want details, the more lurid the better.
\_ "Amid the frenzy of arm-twisting, debate and reporters swarming
like bees in a sunflower garden, Representative David Wu, the
Oregon Democrat who resigned this week amid a sex scandal, sat
peacefully on the balcony off the speaker’s lobby, awaiting the
last votes of his career and pulling on a stogie."
http://is.gd/IMRgL9 [nytimes] |
| 2011/7/5-13 [Politics/Domestic/California, Reference/Law/Court] UID:54138 Activity:nil |
7/5 "Motorcyclist crashes in helmet law protest, dies"
http://www.csua.org/u/tqr (news.yahoo.com)
How ironic. He got what he fought for. |
| 2011/6/27-7/13 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:54132 Activity:nil |
6/27 "Inflatable Shark Among 300 New Species Discovered in Philippines"
http://www.csua.org/u/tp8 (beta.news.yahoo.com)
No, not the rubber kind. |
| 2011/4/17-7/30 [Politics/Domestic/California, Reference/Tax] UID:54087 Activity:nil |
4/17 http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_no_taxes "The super rich pay a lot less taxes than they did a couple of decades ago, and nearly half of U.S. households pay no income taxes at all." And people are still complaining about taxes being too high. \_ yeah but only 3 out of the 5 people who aren't rich but complain are actually counted. |
| 2010/11/19-2011/1/13 [Politics/Domestic/California, Reference/Tax] UID:53989 Activity:nil |
11/19 "Millionaires to Obama: Tax us" - Yahoo! News:
http://www.csua.org/u/s1d
\_ People to Millionaires: "You can submit as much tax as you like!"
http://www.fms.treas.gov/news/factsheets/gifts.html
\_why pay more into SS if you are getting the same out of it as the other guy?
\_ Your reading comprehension sucks. If they want to be taxed
more, they're free to pay more in taxes without forcing other
people to do so. I don't see anything in the original article
about SS, do you?
\_ That's about as clever as "if you don't like abortion,
don't have one" or "gays can marry, they just can't marry
people of the same sex." Actually, it's not even that
clever.
\_ What the millionaires mean is: "Tax *other* millionaires"
\_ No, they mean tax all millionaires, including us. |
| 2010/11/15-2011/1/13 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Immigration] UID:53992 Activity:nil |
11/15 "CA Supreme Court ...... ruled that illegal immigrants are entitled to
the same tuition breaks offered to in-state high school students to
attend public colleges and universities."
http://www.csua.org/u/s0a
Not only do illigal immigrants enjoy the same benefits as citizens
(not to mention legal immigrants), they can actually enjoy more
benefits than some citizens.
\_ Classic variable mislabeling error: you're confusing
"citizens of the United States who reside in California" with
"citizens of the United States," and failing to distinguish
between "illegal immigrants who reside in California" and
"illegal immigrants." Also, you're confusing "citizen" and
"resident," as in "benefits of being a citizen of the United
States" versus "benefits of being a resident of California."
Of course, you could have avoided this confusion entirely by
simply writing, "Achtung! Papers, please!"
\_ I guess no UC funding comes from the Federal Government, right?
-- OP
\_ the clue is weak in this one |
| 2010/11/2-2011/1/13 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/President/Reagan] UID:54001 Activity:nil |
11/2 California Uber Alles is such a great song
\_ Yes, and it was written about Jerry Brown. I was thinking this
as I cast my vote for Meg Whitman. I am independent, but I
typically vote Democrat (e.g., I voted for Boxer). However, I
can't believe we elected this retread.
\_ You voted for the billionaire that ran HP into the ground
and then tried to buy the job of CA governor? Really?
I almost voted Green or Libertarian, but never once thought
of voting for Whitman.
\_ wrong billionaire.
\_ Sorry, couldn't tell the difference.
\_ Makes a big difference. I hated Fiorina when she was
CEO at HP. I hate her even more now that I know her
backwards politics. However, Whitman is a RINO. She
endorsed Gore. She opposed Bush on global warming.
She supported Boxer's 2004 campaign. I am not
saying I love the woman, but *JERRY BROWN*? Been
there, did that, was not that great. As for her
money, I actually prefer people spend their own
fortunes instead of owing a thousand political favors
in exchange for donations. Face it, most candidates
are trying to buy the election on some level and
the ones that aren't don't get very far. You are so
informed you couldn't even separate Whitman from
Fiorina so I hope you didn't vote.
\_ Your point about having a politician who is beholden to no one
because she didnt need to accept any donations is interesting. I
never thought of that one before. I really don't think she was
qualified in anyway though. she flipflopped her way around
WHILE running for governor and hadn't even voted for decades.
On the plus side, she proved she will kick your ass, physically,
if you mess with her.
\_ After experiencing eight years of Bush I know
enough to never vote for a Republican.
\_ Sounds pretty closed-minded. I agree that Bush was
an idiot, but I am not going to shut out 50%
of candidates based solely on party affiliation.
You'll realize how silly you sound if/when
you grow up.
\_ I am old enough to learn from my mistakes.
When will you learn?
\_ Voting for a candidate based solely on
a D or R next their name means you
have a long way to go.
\_ No, the GOP has been universally venal
and/or incompetent for a long time. I
thought about it some more and decided
that if the GOP somehow actually elects
a decent leader (in spite of my vote
against them) who ends up doing a good
job tackling real problems, I would
be willing to reconsider my stance. But
after watching bad and then worse
leadership from them, I have no confidence
in their collective decision making.
Give me a Republican president at least
as good as Reagan or Clinton or a
CA governor that is halfway decent and I
give them another look. But it is hard
to see this happening anytime soon.
Btw, it is quite a bit of difference to
"vote for a candidate based solely on
[party affiliation]" and refusing to
vote for a candidate based on party
affiliation. Hopefully you can see the
difference. I expect to vote for quite
a few Green and Libertarian candidates
in the future.
\_ Wasn't Reagan a Republican President
as good as Reagan? And GH Bush
wasn't bad. GWB is the only bad
example in the last 40 years.
\_ Bush, Cheney, DeLay, Rove, the
whole crowd has been terrible for
at least a decade. And the ones I
see them bringing up as future
leaders (Palin, really?) seem
even worse. Lincoln was a good
Republican President too but he
doesn't say much about the GOP
today. Same with Reagan, he was
elected what, almost 30 years ago?
Today's Republican Party would run
a common sense pragmatist like
Reagan out of the party.
\_ What about, I dunno, Meg
Whitman?!
\_ http://preview.tinyurl.com/2gyqr8d (LA Times)
"Strikingly, almost one in five California
voters said they would never cast a ballot
for a Republican." Not that nutty an idea,
it turns out.
\_ The republican party got us into a (seemed a good idea at the time)
war in Afghanistan and with my laser like hindsight a completely
unecessary conflict in Iraq. And they accept no responsibility.
And shitheads in SF riot over a baseball game, but not an election.
\_ Dems in Congress were in favor of the wore on terra as well
\_ Some Dems. A majority voted against it. Well against the
Iraq invasion, at least. I think they all voted for the
"Patriot" Act. |
| 2010/9/17-30 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:53960 Activity:low |
9/17 "Report: Los Angeles spent $70 million in stimulus funds to create
7.76 jobs"
Yes, that's seven-point-seven-six jobs.
http://www.csua.org/u/rmu (news.yahoo.com)
\_ It is Obama's fault?
\_ Then: The Buck Stops Here
Now: Is it my fault?
\_ http://www.globalideasbank.org/site/bank/idea.php?ideaId=904
The Great Recession is even more sad when you realize they have
the answer.
\_ I like the turndown, so many things are cheap now, including
maids, gardners, hookers 'n' blow!
\_ It was the fact that the community or regional money could be
used to pay taxes [...] that made it acceptable and successful.
That is true for all currency, btw. The Fed is inflating the
money supply as fast as it dares.
\_ But they're not giving negative interest rates on the money.
The whole point of Borgl was to make people spend.
\_ I <3 my trustfund. Best times for it. :-)
\_ Stimulus saved 3M+ jobs, kept economy from second recession says
non-partisan CBO:
http://preview.tinyurl.com/2bchjy8 |
| 2010/9/15-30 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:53959 Activity:nil |
9/15 Obama, a Democrat, wants to cut tax, while Greenspan, a Republican,
wants to raise tax. Go figure.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100915/ts_nm/us_greenspan
\_ Every now and then wrestlers change from Face to Heel, it's all
part of the Kayfabe.
\_ Astonishingly enough, not every Republican nor every Democrat is
in lockstep agreement on all issues.
\_ But here we're talking about the top Democrat and the ex-top
financial Republican.
financial Republican. -- OP |
| 2010/8/29-9/30 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Immigration] UID:53942 Activity:kinda low |
8/29 OC turning liberal, maybe there is hope for CA afterall:
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/30/us/politics/30orange.html
\_ and the state is slowly turning conservative. Meg 2010!
\_ We will see. Seems unlikely.
\_ Yeah, because CA sure has a problem with not enough dems in power!
If only dems had been running the state for the last 40 years!
\_ Yes, if only they'd been running the state for the last 40
years without the GOP blocking every goddamn budget that
made sense. Blaming the party in power when you keep holding
them up is a shameful charade.
\_ CA is doing pretty well compared to most of the nation, believe
it or not.
\_ Big parts of OC (like Stabba Ana) turning into a barrio does
not bode well for California.
\_ Sure it does, immigrants have always revitalized America.
The newest wave is no different.
\_ So you think that the entire State becoming a slum except
for a few gated communities here and there is revitalization?
Previous immigrants had much different values than the
current immigrants do. I do agree that immigrants will
help run our economic engine so that we don't become a
dying nation like Japan, but the American standard-of-living
is taking a dive as all of these Third World immigrants
bring their Third World philosophies, diseases, and
values into our nation. I see a big difference between
Polish Jews, Irish, and even Chinese as compared to
immigrants from Africa and Central America - and I don't
mean skin color.
\_ "Third World philosophies, diseases, and values"
Er, WTF?
\_ Diseases like tuberculosis are making a reappearance
thanks to our new immigrant friends. Let's just say
that immigrants from Japan and immigrants from El
Salvador don't bring the same things to the table.
There are very large cultural and religious differences.
There are large differences in attitudes towards the
treatment of women, human rights, education, the role
of government, etc. It is part of the reason why
these countries are they way thay they are. If this is
these countries are the way they are. If this is
not obvious to you I won't waste my time explaining.
\_ You sound exactly like the Know Nothing bigots who
hated the Irish and Italians at the turn of the 19th
century. And the anti-Asian racists who had the
Japanese put in internment camps during WW-II.
The new immigrants will join American society just
fine and renew America with the integration of their
values with ours. This is especially true for Latin
American immigrants. I don't know who all these
African immigrants are that you claim are coming
to America, but America still has a problem with
race that needs working on.
\_ As you point out yourself, America has a problem
with race. It was much easier for Irish to
assimilate than it will be for Africans and
Latinos and this is one of the reasons (but
not the only reason) why.
\_ El Salvador? Are you nuts? The El Salvadoran
immigrant population mostly fled dictators and
death squads, and they're a hell of a lot more
committed to a free and democratic US than you
are. El Salvador is the way it is now because
WE, the US, supported dictators and death
squads. That's a matter of record. Look up
declassified documents on the CIA in El Salvador
in the 60s for more.
\_ Yes, El Salvador would be a First World nation
if not for US involvement in their affairs.
Riiiiight.
\_ Diseases like tb are making a resurgence because
we have a failing health care system. Poor folks
can't afford to get immunized, and rich folks
are buying up Cipro-- and then not using the
right doses to kill whatever bugs they do have,
resulting in drug-resistant strains of tb. Also,
do you know what you have to do to get a visa
in the US? Get a raft of shots and medical
exams. As for illegals, haven't you been
reading that illegal immigrants have been
returning to their countries of origins in
record numbers? If any of this is not obvious
to you, please, by all means, ask for more
explanation.
\_ Yeah, soon there won't be any illegal immigrants
left here. You know, I have a bridge for sale
you might be interested in. |
| 2010/8/17-9/7 [Politics/Domestic/California, Industry/Jobs] UID:53926 Activity:nil |
8/17 Private sector growing, public sector shrinking:
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/If-Private-Sector-Is-Hiring-cnbc-4039402657.html?x=0
\_ starve the beast!
\_ why do they never count the armed forces as employment |
| 2010/7/27-8/25 [Politics/Domestic/California, Reference/Tax] UID:53900 Activity:nil |
7/25 Is there a polite way to tell a recruiter "too busy at the moment
but keep me in mind for future stuff." Or "not in that field at
this exact moment but am switching positions over the next few
months for your role, keep me in mind" ? Thx.
\_ You know what, recruiters have thick skins. You won't hurt
their feelings. Go ahead, try, you can't possibly get them down.
Tell them you have a job, and you'll keep them in mind next
time you are unemployed.
\_ I think you have it right there. Recruiters in general don't mind
it if you are direct with them.
\_ I had THREE different recruiters from Amazon at different
quarters. Each time, I tell them "Sorry I have no interest
in going to Seattle." The third time, I told them "I hate
Seattle and if you want to attract real talent, setup an
office in Silicon Valley. Stop bothering me." I finally
got them to stop.
\_ A co-worker of mine requested to be transferred from here to the
Seattle branch of the company in the '90s so that he could avoid
paying state income tax and maybe state capital gain tax on his
huge stock earnings.
\_ Word. Not to mention stupid CA laws.
\_ I know a few people who moved to .ca just for that reason too. |
| 2010/7/15-8/11 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:53885 Activity:nil |
7/15 "Mom jailed over sex with 14-year-old son"
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38217476/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts
\_ I just bought a hot homeless teen runaway lunch.
Am i going to jail?
\_ Was she 18?
\_ FYI people "MILF" doesn't always mean what you think it means.
\_ What else can it mean?
\_ Pirates with guns, for example.
\_ Lol it don't mean that in California, and CA CA CA is
the Standard Culture Defination!
\_ ObTravel.
\_ Why would I leave CA?
\_ F. CA, Why would I leave SF?
\_ Lol why would I leave Mission Bay?
\_ I blog all the time from my room.
\_ Reminds me of John Phillips and his daughter. |
| 2010/6/30-7/8 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:53871 Activity:nil |
6/30 http://securityarms.com/20010315/galleryfiles/2100/2166.htm (is this legal in CA? asking because of the long barrel) |
| 2010/6/22-7/8 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:53866 Activity:nil |
6/21 There are 7 Lee's Sandwiches in San Jose and one in Sunnyvale. Which
one is the original one?
\_ None of the above.
"The family came together and developed this new concept and opened
the first store in Southern California on Bolsa Avenue in
Westminster, CA."
http://leesandwiches.com/2008/main.php?act=introduct&content=intro
Or you can check the "Open Since" dates for the current locations at
http://leesandwiches.com/2008/main.php?act=store |
| 2010/6/9-30 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:53857 Activity:nil |
6/8 I cannot believe Carly Fiorina is a legitimate candidate. I would
sooooooo love to vote out Boxer, but Carly completely ruined HP.
\_ The Republican party shall rise again!
\_ Much as the left has realized that, in the realm of pundrity, they
can field loud, ignorant, blowhards just as well as the right, so
has the right evidently realized that they too can field an
incompetent bitch to run for Senator.
\_I would rather them have run Kim Polese:
http://lib.store.yahoo.net/lib/demotivators/fortune3.jpeg |
| 2010/6/7-30 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:53852 Activity:nil |
6/7 http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/06/05/MNSG1DQ1BL.DTL&feed=rss.news_pageone White population is declining. In other news, whities who are threatened by the hispanic population are moving to Arizona. News at 11. \_ B2C used to mean "business to consumer," now it means "Back to Cleveland" \_ Are Cleveland people as racist as people in Arizona? \- Do you know about FILTH: Failed in London, Try Hong Kong |
| 2010/5/28-6/30 [Politics/Domestic/California, Reference/Tax] UID:53846 Activity:nil |
5/28 Libertarians: yes yes yes charities do work! Screw government
and taxes, rely on charities!
http://media.npr.org/assets/blogs/planetmoney/images/2010/05/giftsdebt.png
\_hun? What is your point here?? People haven't voluntarily
donated a lot towards paying of our 13 trillion dollar fed. debt?
This is directed at libertarians why? (I can assure you that they
are not surprised at this fact). Do you think I should be
donating to pay for your war/corporate welfare/etc.? The
gubmnt has stolen enough from my children without me volunteering
more of their money. Really, what the hell are you thinking?
I don't get it.
\_ Charity != voluntary overpayment of taxes |
| 2010/5/17-26 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:53837 Activity:nil |
5/13 Any opinions on the new AZ law? I think it will negatively impact
California. We need to pass our equivalent ASAP.
\_ why don't you just leave the US if you hate freedom so much
\_ Agreed. We deserve freedom of breaking laws.
\_ Halt! Aus pass! Welkommen ein Kalifornia!
\_ Kalifornia Uber Alles!
\_ I doubt it will survive a Constitutional challange.
\_ Really? So the equivalent federal law is also unconstitutional?
\_ There is a federal law that says you have to surrender your
papers to any cop if he suspects that you are illegal and
that you are subject to arrest if you don't carry them? |
| 2010/5/17-26 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:53832 Activity:nil |
5/14 Where's the guy who kept claiming that the CA state budget always
grew faster than inflation adjusted per capita? |
| 2010/4/21-5/10 [Politics/Domestic/California, Computer/Networking] UID:53796 Activity:nil |
4/21 "Your fastest Internet in the world is found in Berkeley, CA"
http://www.csua.org/u/qlt (arstechnica.com)
\_ lies, damned lies, statistics, and pandering to the crowd. |
| 2010/4/15-5/10 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:53786 Activity:nil |
4/15 Guess who is not on this list (States with worst projected deficits):
http://www.cnbc.com/id/36510805?slide=1
\_ Don't know how CA missed that list; we're looking at a $20B deficit
on $82.9B spending (24.1%) -tom
\_ Even if that number is accurate, it makes California #7. That's
enlightening given the attenion California has received. |
| 2010/2/21-3/9 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Foreign/Asia/China] UID:53716 Activity:nil |
2/19 Gee. I thought Woods was half black and half Thai. But actually he's
1/4 Chinese + 1/4 Thai + 1/4 African American + 1/8 Native American +
1/8 Dutch. http://tigerwoods-information.com/family
\_ Hybrid superiority.
\_ This is why colonial food is more awesome than ethnic food.
\_ I didn't know that Jimmy Page of the Yardbirds, Led Zeppelin, etc
and a bazillion AWESOME rock riffs is.... 1/4 chinese.
\_ URLp? |
| 2010/1/28-2/8 [Politics/Domestic/California, Computer/SW/Security] UID:53673 Activity:nil |
1/28 Asians on Facebook:
http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/privacy_facebook_and_the_future_of_the_internet.php |
| 2010/1/11-19 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Foreign/Europe] UID:53622 Activity:nil |
1/11 Social democracy and economic growth are not incompatible:
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/11/opinion/11krugman.html
\_ SOCIALISM ( yes i did read it )
\_ Krugman == socialist?
\_ Obama = Socialist |
| 2009/12/25-2010/1/19 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:53603 Activity:nil |
12/24 Why San Francisco and union and government suck:
http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2009/12/unions-graft-stunning-incompetence-make.html
\_ http://www.burbed.com/2010/01/03/san-francisco-richer-and-richer-and-richer
San Francisco to become richer and richer and richer. It's
Disneyland for adults! YAY!!!
\_ No doubt that there is plenty of corruption in San Francisco that
should be cleaned up, but it is a drop in the bucket compared to
the intitutionalized corruption that the GOP encouraged under the
Bush Administration. Which Mish of course turned a blind eye to.
SF is actually gaining public school students btw, and I am not
clear as to why a city getting wealthier and wealthier is supposed
to be a bad thing.
\_ The link is a summary of the article in the SF Weekly. Maybe you
shouldn't blame Bush for everything. Perhaps we can agree that
corruption is bad, and try to address that?
\_ That is what I said. Both parties are corrupt, the GOP
even worse than the Democrats. What are you doing about it
other than posting links to the motd?
\_ the party that is in power or one that is powerful is
usually the one that is corrupt. I give the D party
3 more years before it implodes just like the R party.
\_ You are basically right, though I think it will take
more like 12-14 years. How long was from the election
of Reagan until Tom DeLay was brought down? |
| 2009/11/10-19 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/SocialSecurity] UID:53516 Activity:low |
11/9 http://www.businessinsider.com/the-20-most-unemployed-cities-2009-11#15-san-francisco-california-6 http://www.businessinsider.com/the-20-most-unemployed-cities-2009-11#7-san-jose-california-14 http://www.businessinsider.com/the-20-most-unemployed-cities-2009-11#5-los-angeles-california-16 Most unemployed cities in America \_ The actual city of San Francisco has quite a bit lower unemployment rate, he must be using the metropolitan area (and the one that includes Oakland, not the one that includes San Mateo) \_ How about San Jose, is that including Gilroy? \_ are you a moron? San Jose - Sunnyvale - Santa Clara |
| 2009/11/9-19 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Foreign/Europe] UID:53515 Activity:nil |
11/9 http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2009/11/free-market-capitalism-gets-thumbs-down-in-27-countries-including-us.html Most people think Free Market is not fine the way it is and needs some adjustment/tuning. \_ Why don't you move to France, you Cheese Eating Surrender Monkey? \_ Tuning in their favor no doubt. \_ obviously. the emotion is not too different than that that which fueled the French revolution \_ I mean "tuned in their own favor" versus "for the common good". I think the French Revolution was more of the latter. \_ who determines that? the people who revolt or the people who were revolted? Do you give each individual an equal weight? \_ The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. However, I think that these people who think the free market needs tuning are mostly thinking about themselves and not the common good. \_ don't you think most people in this world (e.g. most are 3rd world countries) think about themselves much more than they think about others? Have you been to China and Brazil? \_ Yes, I do think so, which is why I think the results of the poll are meaningless to use as a guideline to set economic policy. |
| 2009/10/22-11/3 [Politics/Domestic/California, Science/GlobalWarming] UID:53463 Activity:nil |
10/22 State of Utah saved $4.1M in one year by switching to 4day-10hr work
weeks: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/ut_four_day_workweek (Not to mention
the commute time saved.)
Maybe the State of CA (a much bigger body) and our private employers
can do the same.
\_ We did this at work and maybe they saved money, but they also
receive less for the money they spend. Lots of people were
working 9 or 10 hours every day anyway. They still do, but now they
just don't come in on Friday. Productivity seems way down. In
fact, in order to meet a big deadline on a particular project
that project's management made everyone on that task switch to
a regular work week. What does that say? YMMV.
\_ Do you work in a government office? I am guesing that most
govt employees are not working 9-10 hours/day.
\_ Actually, I do work for the government. However, I will
agree this is probably atypical for the government.
\_ The article says that the biggest savings for Utah came not from
energy saving or janitoral service reduction, but from overtime
pay saving. So it won't work for positions that don't pay
overtime.
\_ It assumes people were working paid overtime to begin with
and now they will not because the work day is so long.
However, I wouldn't argue that the productivity is the
same. The article says: "They're getting what they need
to get done in 10 hours and going home" with the
implication being that they used to be there more than
40 hours but got no more work done in that time. I doubt it.
I think money is being saved, but less work is being done
as a result. People are not suddenly using their time
more productively unless the whole overtime thing was a
fiasco to begin with where people stayed to get
time-and-a-half in which case they could have just as easily
said: "No more overtime" and stayed on 5/40. This is not
a benefit of the short work week per se. |
| 2009/10/20-11/3 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Crime] UID:53457 Activity:high |
10/20 "Ending death penalty could save US millions: study"
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20091020/ts_alt_afp/usexecutionjustice
"...... the cost to the state to reach that one execution is 30
million dollars"
I used to be pro death penalty because I thought it's cheaper than
life without possibility of parole (p.s. especially with the health
care cost of $40k/yr per prisoner that was in the news a couple months
ago). But now I'm not sure.
\_ It is clearly not cheaper. -tom
\_ It would be cheaper if we just got on with it already.
\_ But we can't and shouldn't, so it's clearly not cheaper. -tom
\_ We can and we should. See how easy that is?
\_ Yes, it's quite easy to execute innocent people. -tom
\_ if DNA proves guilt, kill. if not, life sentence.
\_ You think jailing innocent people for life is better?
Let's just not jail anyone in case we made a mistake.
\_ Plenty of innocent people "jailed for life" end up
being released after new evidence comes to light.
Hard to bring someone back to life though.
\_
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/innocence-list-those-freed-death-row
138 death-row inmates have been released since
1971. The failure cost of the death penalty is
much higher than the failure cost of prison. -tom
\_ I think I'd rather be wrongly executed than
rot in prison for 60 years after being wrongly
imprisoned. Jail and the people in it are that
unpleasant. What *really* sits wrong with
me is when criminals *beg* to be executed
and we don't do it. Let's execute those
people ASAP and set a reasonable period
where evidence can be brought to light for
everyone else: lets say 10 years. I don't
want to pay for some "death row" type guy
to be in prison from age 22 to 82. Charles
Manson should not be an expense to me
right now.
\_ If you had a 10-year limit, you would
only have executed 65 of the 138 innocent
people. Good job! -tom
\_ I'm not going to worry about 65 people
out of the 2.5 million in jail. As I
said, it's not any better to wrongly
rot in jail. It's not like you are
going to find all wrongfully
convicted people with or without the
death penalty. I believe the justice
system works and works better than
ever in this age of DNA evidence.
Your argument is that the justice
system makes a mistake 5% of the time
in capital cases. I _really_ doubt that
figure given the extensive appeals
process. BTW, the average length of
time between sentencing and
exoneration for those wrongfully
convicted is 7 years. So if you
think 10 cuts it too close let's
make it 20. I just threw a number
out there.
\_ At this point you're just trolling;
if you were really wrongfully
accused and had the option of 12
years in jail and instant death,
you would take death? The idea
is absurd. Let's leave it at,
the death penalty is more expensive
than life in prison and will remain
so despite the efforts of nutjobs
like you, so you can't argue that
the death penalty costs less than
the alternative. -tom
\_ The death penalty is only more
expensive because of nutjobs
like you who are concerned that 65
out of millions of convictions
over the last 30 years might
actually be innocent. You
waste a lot of money on such
statistical insignificance.
Accept that the justice system
works and stop wasting time
defending *tried and convicted*
death row inmates. If this
were 1709 I'd be right with
you, but the system is not as
corrupt as it used to be and
works very well as your own
numbers attest to.
\_ Millions were convicted of
murder? Probably not. I wonder
what the false positive rate
in convictions is. Any idea?
\_ The article doesn't say. Is it also so expensive in Texas, where
there do a lot of it?
\_ You know why California has a prison problem? Because of
fucking idiots like you who think it's cheaper to keep a
person alive than to execute them. I have a better
solution, just offshore the job to China. They can do it
far more efficiently. It really pisses me off seeing a
headline like this. Hand control of Oakland to China and
the crime situation will disappear and innocent people will
stop dying. Fucking US criminal justice system.
\_ California has 678 death row inmates; you could execute them
all tomorrow and we'd still have a prison problem. -tom
\_ My point is we should execute a lot more people. Like
the 10 or 20 who gang raped the Richmond school girl.
A bullet in their head is the best message we can
send to those fuckers in Richmond and Oakland.
Innocent people suffer and die when you have a
criminal justice system that doesn't get rid of
scumbags.
\_ I think we should get out the guilloitine and start
chopping off the heads of all of Goldman Sachs and
the CEOs of AGI, Bank of America and all the other
the CEOs of AIG, Bank of America and all the other
fools who have caused much more suffering than the
Richmond rapists. But I am not holding my breath
for the world to come around to my point of view.
\_ http://www.economist.com/world/unitedstates/displayStory.cfm?story_id=14699746 |
| 2009/9/24-10/8 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/California/Arnold] UID:53398 Activity:nil |
9/24 WALKOUT!
http://tinyurl.com/yerq8f5
\_ Education should be free, somebody else should pay for me!
\_ the only "free" education is self-education. someone has to
pay for it.
\_ The person who receives it, of course.
\_ Education is an investment in the future. The State of California
spent a lot of money educating me, which I have already repaid
many times.
\_ Man, this article is full of all kinds of funnies.
"I'm [trying to tell] that it's your right to walk out." It's
also your right not to go to school, what's your point?
"Faculty urged the walkout" ahhh, right.
\_ Faculty did urge the walkout; it started as a letter from
a UC-wide group of faculty, mostly complaining that the
regents didn't listen to the academic senates, who wanted
furloughs to include instructional days. But I'm not sure
who they group today is really protesting against. (It should
be Arnie and the rest of the Jarvisites). -tom
\_ Sorry, by "ahhh, right." I meant "that explains a lot." |
| 2009/9/16-24 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:53373 Activity:nil |
9/16 When installing a three-prong electric socket, should the ground prong
be on the top, on the bottom, or either way? All the sockets at my
home have the ground pins on the bottom, but a electrician told me
that the ground pins should be on the top. Thanks.
\_ It doesn't really matter, but most three-prong plugs will hang
better with the ground prong on top. -tom
\_ Wall warts hang a lot better with the ground prong on bottom.
And a polorized wall wart without a ground pin hangs for shit
if it's upsidedown.
\_ The "traditional" way is to put the grounding prong on the bottom.
Some electricians prefer to put it on top, with the reasoning that
if something conductive slips between the plug and the wall, it will
rest on the grounding prong and one live prong instead of both live
prongs.
\_ That's exactly what the electricial told me. Is there any
Federal or CA law that says it has to be one way or the other?
--- OP |
| 2009/9/11-21 [Politics/Domestic/California, Industry/Jobs] UID:53358 Activity:low |
9/10 Everyone, please nominate your favorite sysadm! I vote for
Tom Holub aka tom@csua.
http://www.boingboing.net/2009/09/10/sysadmin-of-the-year-1.html
\_ bahahahahaha you're kidding right?
\_ who is tom holub?
\_ Aubie. |
| 2009/9/2-9 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/California/Arnold] UID:53319 Activity:low |
9/2 California will survive its crackup:
http://tinyurl.com/qfzdpn
\_ not if we can help it.
\_ I like the comparison with Italy. Maybe someday we can have
dozens of political parties fighting! yay chaos!!
\_ Do you think Italian people have a lower quality of life than
Californians? -tom
\_ Italian italians or immigrants?
\_ Italians in Italy. -tom
\_ Italian Italians or non-Italian immigrants in Italy?
\_ Which Italians and which Californians? Overall, I'd say
I prefer California to Italy for my particular situation.
\_ have you traveleed?
\_ Yes. I am always glad to be back in CA when I return
even though I love to travel. Have you?
\_ I have never left CA and I don't see a damn reason why I
should leave it or travel! CA 4 LYFE!!!!!! |
| 2009/8/10-19 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/California/Prop] UID:53259 Activity:high |
8/10 College ranking
http://shine.yahoo.com/event/backtoschool/americas-best-college-497708
#10: StanfUrd
#73: Cal
Even if ranking public colleges separately, Cal still ranks only #8.
(Though The top 3 are all military academies.)
\_ Yeah, Cal isn't what it used to be anymore. Increasing bureaucracy
and long lines really made it go downhill in the past decade and
a half. That, and pissed off alum don't want to donate...
\_ What the FUCK is Williams College? WTF?
|_ Short for Williams and Sonoma College.
\_ There is no such college. There is Williams-Sonoma, Inc.
\_ We have now identified Mr. Pedant!
\_ If you had gotten a better education, you would have heard of
Williams College.
\_ Conservatives in California have finally achieved their long desired
dream of destroying public higer education.
\_ Because conservatives have controlled the California state
legislature for the past 4 decades, right? Or was it Bush's
fault?
\_ It's Pete Wilson's fault. Don't hide it. I know it.
You know it. And the American People know it.
\_ bullshit
\_ It is the combo of Prop 13, "Three Strikes" and Prop 98
that has massacred higher ed funding in CA. These are
all Conservative initiatives. The legistlature has very
little control over the budget anymore, it is almost all
set by Constitutional initiative.
\_ I agree that Prop 13 and 3 strikes (I'm not that familiar
with prop 98) are largely responsible for budget problems,
but if you think those are the only major contributions to
the budget problems, you have anti-conservative blinders
on. And the state legislature does have control over the
budget. That's their job. The fact that they've not done
anything significant the past few decades because they're
horribly deadlocked doesn't let them off the hook.
\_ Prop 98 is 40% of the budget, corrections is now
15%. Interest on bond issues approved by voters is
another 10%. Just those alone are 2/3 of the budget
and all of that is out of the legislatures hands.
\_ Prop 98 might be 40% of the budget, but that
40% is going to educate people for free. To
steal money from K-12 kids with no other options
to educate kids at UC seems disingenous.
\_ It is still money that the Legislature does
not have at its disposal, no matter how noble
what it is being spent for.
\_ Do you want to cut K-12 spending? I don't.
Not even for UC.
\_ These rankings are bogus. Nothing more to say than that. Mills
College is ahead of Cal, Brown, Penn, *and* Dartmouth. Not.
\_ Just like it is unreasonable to keep tweaking your ranking
criteria and weights until it produces an ordering you like,
it seems bogus to not feedback patently bogus orderings into
refining your process. Perhaps the answer isnt more tweaking
but just to limit what results to share ... for example a
system which seeks a lot of resolving power at the top end
may not do much in the middle of the pack ... like say in
a sport tournament, you may not waste resources to separate
#30 from number #31. |
| 2009/7/29-8/6 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/RepublicanMedia] UID:53220 Activity:nil |
7/28 Cougars are swapping advice on dating young men:
http://www.24-7pressrelease.com/press-release/national-single-cougars-convention-firstever-features-miss-cougar-america-contest-august-28-2009-in-palo-alto-ca-107209.php
\_ Why didn't they have "cougars" when I was 21?
\_ there have been cougars since the dawn of mankind, which is
1970. Dustin Hoffman and Mrs. Robinson. Your problem was that
the cougars talked to each other, and they agreed that you
were not something they wanted. |
| 2009/7/29-8/6 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:53217 Activity:nil |
7/29 The inmates are threatening to take over the asylum in the GOP
(story about birther controversy)
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0709/25444.html
\_ cool! |
| 2009/7/27-8/6 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Crime] UID:53204 Activity:nil |
7/27 A very good reading from our own Piaw:
http://piaw.blogspot.com/2009/07/politics.html |
| 2009/7/27-8/6 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:53203 Activity:low |
7/27 I just heard on the radio that prisoners in California have better
medical coverage than MediCal provides. How fair.
\_ There's an reasonalbe argument that as wards of the state, the
state owes prisoners decent care, just like the state owes them
food and shelter.
\_ The state owes them a minimal level of care, not care better
than the status quo.
\_ There's a reasonable argument that the state owes everyone
a minimal level of care.
\_ Only in Soviet Russia.
\_ who gave sara palin a csua account?
\_ I know you are mimicking the above poster, but "owe" is
the wrong word here.
\_ By feeding and providing medical care to prisons, The State is
subsidizing crime.
\_ By providing better medical care to prisoners than it provides to
law-abiding Californians, the State is encouraging crime. |
| 2009/7/22-27 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/SocialSecurity] UID:53184 Activity:nil |
7/22 Freepers plotting overthrow of the US government
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2295624/posts
\_ so they make Hillary president?! Makes no sense |
| 2009/7/22-27 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/California/Arnold] UID:53179 Activity:low |
7/22 "California Apologizes to Chinese Americans"
http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/20090721/us_time/08599191198100
\_ That 1850 picture of that Chinese man is pretty damn good for
a 1850 picture. In fact, too good for a 1850 picture. I'm
willing to bet that it's a forgery.
\_ where's the picture?
\_ Oh weird, they took it out. It was there this morning
\_ We have always been at war with east^Weurasia. |
| 2009/7/21-8/6 [Politics/Domestic/California, Science/GlobalWarming] UID:53176 Activity:nil |
7/21 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnq-2BJwatE Stephenson @google booktour. it's pretty cool they have these recordings. \_ when is http://google.edu coming? \_ isn't that what google knol is? \_ http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/08/11/poor-google-knol-has-gone-from-a-wikipedia-killer-to-a-craigslist-wannabe \_ dead? \_ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ah9PyZNb4F8 (Salman Rushdie) \_ One thing I see with all these is just how arrogant and out touch the google employees are about life. I guess koresh's flock were out of touch as well as mansen's. |
| 2009/7/5-16 [Politics/Domestic/California, Reference/Tax] UID:53113 Activity:low |
7/5 Job A is completely unrelated to Job B. Job A is my main job, and
job B is what I do for fun but can't make a living out of [yet].
Let's say job A provides me with 99% of my income. I just invested
$20,000 for job B which currently makes only 1% of my income,
but I hope to recuperate most of that in maybe 1-2 years. Is there
any way deduct my tax rate that I make from job A using expenses
from job B?
\_ You can carry forward your Job B losses for 3-10 years.
\_ why the nebulous 3-10 years? What determines that?
\_ So that you look it up or talk to a tax advisor. motd is good
to point you in the right direction, but you really shouldn't
make tax decisions based on it.
\_ you can also incorporate Job B and be a sole shareholder.
I recommend Nolo Press.
\_ I recommend you do not incorporate unless you like lots of
expenses like taxes. For example a C corporation in California
pays a minimum of $800 in franchise taxes. This is true if
you do business in California, even if you incorporated in
another state and even if you operate at a loss. I setup a
corporation "just to learn how" for a hobby I did and it
turned into a gigantic fustercluck. I am working to have it
dissolved now. Please make it go away.
\_ He wouldn't do a C Corp, he'd probably do an S Corp, which
avoids double taxation and other issues with S Corps. But
the Nolo books explain all of this.
\_ S Corps still pay the greater of ($800 or 1.5% of
net income) in franchise tax and are still double
taxed in California. Do not incorporate unless you
like paying money to lawyers, accountants, and the
government and the laws change seemingly each year which
means you will spend a lot of time figuring things out and
ignorance is not accepted as an excuse. It makes a lot of
sense to incorporate in some instances, but for a hobby I
wouldn't do it.
\_ wrong.
\_ 100% correct. Please to be highlighting the part
you think is wrong so that I may educate you. |
| 2009/5/23-6/1 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/SocialSecurity] UID:53038 Activity:low |
5/23 Public opinion is basically pathological
http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/archives/2009/05/everything-is-unpopular.php
\_ Yeah, voters are stupid.
\_ I'm disheartened that the most popular program to cut is the
space program. I think most people assume it gets a lot more
money than it does. As this article says, its budget is tiny
relative to the size of the federal government. I think if people
realized what DoD spent they would realize it has to be #1 on the
list. Either that, Social Security, or Medicare. Choose. My dad
(who gets Social Security) said that if he were a person under
40 he'd lobby hard to reduce it given that we pay in and may never
see that money again. I think most people would find defense
most palatable.
see that money againm but I think most people would find defense
see that money again but I think most people would find defense
cuts more palatable.
(Pie chart of government spending: link:tinyurl.com/oanezb
\_ They want stuff and don't want to pay for it. Nothing new to
see here. This is, however, why welfare programs are broken. |
| 2009/5/19-25 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/California/Prop] UID:53015 Activity:nil |
5/18 How did you vote? I voted: No on 1A-C, and Yes on 1D-F
\_ I voted yes on 1A because I want tax to be as high as possible
to increase our standard of living, and to get rid of people
who are otherwise unfit to live in California-- they should
move back to Arizona or other anti-tax states. Viva
La California de Republica para Socialism!
\_ I actually don't mind a small tax increase and I think a spending
cap is a good idea, but I didn't like that the governor can
override it whenever he wants and that we have to contribute
to this "rainy day fund" even when we are having "rainy days".
12.5% also seems like an awfully large amount of the budget
to set aside. With some changes I would have voted Yes on it.
\_ I'm hoping for 15%, on top of much higher property tax,
as well as 45-50% tax for the wealthiest Americans. Will
that ever happen in America? Hell no. But somebody's
gotta try. -pp
\_ California and Arizona have the same overall tax burden:
http://money.cnn.com/pf/features/lists/taxesbystate2005
But don't let facts get in the way of a good rant.
\_ I voted no on 1C and yes on the rest. Pretty funny that you would
ask how people voted and then censor their responses.
\_ I'm the original poster and I didn't censor any responses.
Must be someone else. I didn't even see any responses other
than the very first, which I responded to.
\_ I haven't voted yet, I'm still trying to decide on a couple.
1A: Not sure, the write-up seemed good, but the argument against
was much stronger than the argument for. Very complex.
\_ You do know that the arguments for/against were written by
the same people, right?
1B: No. Schools never seem to have trouble getting money in good
year. If the years are good, they'll get money, if not we
years. If the years are good, they'll get money, if not we
can't afford it.
1C: No. I hate the lotto.
1D: Not sure, transfer money from 1 child service to another?
1E: Not sure, transfer money from metal services for adults to kids?
1D: Yes, the yes argument is better.
1E: Yes, "" ""
1F: Sure, why not? Screw those guys.
\_ No on everything. That should be the default position, and there's
nothing compelling in this slate. -tom
\_ Not sure that follows here. Props can only be adjustd by props,
and that's basically what 1D and 1E are.
\_ Agreed. 1D and 1E try and undo damage that previous props
did.
\_ Tom agrees with the Bay Guardian.
\_ We may hold the same position on this; that doesn't mean
I agree with them. -tom
\_ Surprised he isn't pro-tax and pro-schools.
\_ You got what you wanted. The cuts at the UC are going to be
severe.
\_ What I want is to get rid of the 2/3rds majority bullshit
that we have right now.
\_ I like it.
\_ GO GALT!!!!!! |
| 2009/5/18-25 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:53009 Activity:nil |
5/18 My company recently switched to electronic pay stubs, with no option
to keep getting paper pay stubs. I've asked them to provide me with
paper pay stubs, but they refuse. Their argument is that I can print
them myself on the office printers. I don't want to have to run to the
printer to prevent someone else from picking up my pay stub, or to deal
with the hassle of printing it every two weeks. Is there some way I can
convince them to offer paper again? I can find vague intimations that
California requires paper pay stubs to be available, but no law backing
that up.
\_ it's 2009, deal with it.
\_ Download it and print it at home.
\_ Why print at all? I save the pdf in encrypted drives at multiple
locations. I do the same for other online statements. |
| 2009/5/18-20 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:53008 Activity:nil |
5/18 http://www.peterates.com/props-0509.shtml |
| 2009/5/12-18 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:52987 Activity:nil |
5/10 John Yoo is now a newspaper columnist.
http://www.philly.com/philly/opinion/20090510_Obama_needs_a_neutral_justice.html - danh
\_ See also: "I don't want to go to jail." |
| 2009/5/4-6 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/California/Prop] UID:52938 Activity:high |
5/4 Why does The Netherlands have such a sustained lower unemployment
\_ Why is it The Netherlands? Is it like an LA Freeway?
rate and higher growth than the US? Maybe we can replicate their
success here.
\_ Start by not spending all your money on military and prisons.
\_ They don't have as large a population of illegal immigrants -jblack
\_Lots of Euro countries don't have this problem, they still mostly
have double digit unemployment.
\_ Timely Question:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/03/magazine/03european-t.html
\_ jeesh, They really should not be paying this guy by the word.
\_ So the government taxes you to death and then gives some of
the money back if you have kids, for vacations, and so on.
This "Big Brother" sort of society in which the government
claims to know what you need more than you do is very
anti-American to me, although staunch Democrats must love it
because they could tell people what to do with their money.
\_ My mother is Dutch and I still have family there. It's a wealthy
nation, but very small. I don't see many opportunities to
parallel their policies here successfully.
\_ Why not? We should have economies of scale that they do not.
\_ Because we are much larger and more diverse. I'm not sure
that economies of scale play a large part in this. For
instance, are there economies of scale for educating 1 million
kids versus 100 kids? I'd argue not. In fact, I'd argue it
would be cheaper (per kid) to educate the smaller number.
\_ It is certainly cheaper to build 100 miles of road, than
10 roads, each 10 miles long. Why do you think that it is
cheaper to educate smaller numbers of children? You can
get some kinds of economy of scale even in education,
with things like standard tests, school books, etc.
\_ Examples of why it might cost more to educate more:
higher administrative overhead
higher probability of kids with special/unique needs
more disparate learning abilities and backgrounds
harder to find/recruit so many well-trained teachers.
\_ Why would there be a higher percentage of kids with
special needs? And why harder to find teachers? It
should be the same percentage of population in both
cases.
\_ Because you don't judge these by percentage.
Imagine there is a special need which occurs
1/10000th of the time. The school with 100
kids probably doesn't have to deal with it at
all (or rarely), whereas the school with 1
million kids probably needs a whole program
created to address it. For an example of this
consider bilingual education. The Japanese kids
at my public school did not have a class
dedicated to them, but the South American kids
did even though both were small percentage-wise.
did. A single Spanish-speaking kid isn't a
burden to instruct, but 1,000 is.
\_ There is a lot of evidence (and probably literature) on the
diseconomies of scale in education. Anecdotally, it explains
why property values are significantly lower in parts of LA that
are part of LAUSD, one of the largest and most inefficient
school districts in the nation. (e.g. San Pedro vs. PV, Culver
City vs. Palms, etc). Another way to look at the diseconomies
of scale problem is to think of all the complaints against big
government (gubment = BAD) or big companies (startups = rewl).
\_ If there are diseconomies of scale, why are small private
schools so much more expensive than public schools? -tom
\_ It's not linear. There can be economies of scale which then
translate into diseconomies. Do you really think that LAUSD
is more efficient than, say, Berkeley USD? Tangentially
related is the whole cherry-picking, charter school and/or
voucher concept. Voucher/Charter folks like to really
against large districts, but they get to cherry pick
students. That said, I think http://greendot.org is pretty awesome
and there is a lot to learn from these guys. They fix a
lot of standard inner city problems just by "caring". I
think it's hard to scale caring.
\_ 1. They often provide a better product.
2. It varies by state and district, but many times
private schools aren't more expensive for a similar
product. California spent $8496 per student in
2005-2006, which was 29th in the nation. The US
average was $9100. This figure excludes capital
outlay, interest on school debt, and other subsidies.
(Source: link:tinyurl.com/cyg468
I believe for example that most private schools (unless
they are religious) pay property tax on their land while
public schools do not. For this price you can find
plenty of private schools for your kids to attend and
this discounts scholarships that are often offered. I
could not find the average cost of a private school in
California, but nationwide in 2003-2004 (latest
year I could find) it was $6400 for elementary schools
and $13300 for high schools.
(Source: http://tinyurl.com/cog8wj
Clearly, this figure is not too different from the
$9100 average for public schools.
\_ You can't compare private schools in Des Moines to
public schools in San Francisco. For example:
Head-Royce school in Oakland is $19k/year for
K-5, $21k/year for 6-8, $27k/year for high school.
-tom
\_ I am comparing the average national public
expenditures to the average national private
expenditures. I am not comparing Des Moines
to SF. However, I assure you that you can
find plenty of private schools even in urban
California for less than $10K/year. The schools
charging $20-30K per year are elite schools
providing much more to their students than
public schools do and that's why they cost more.
My neighbor's son goes to Saint Francis High
School in La Canada. It's a pretty good school.
Tuition is $10324. I bet that's not much
different from what the local public HS spends.
Mater Dei tuition is $10950. Don Bosco Tech
is $8600. Not every school is some elitist
academy that costs more than Stanford.
\_ Parochial schools may be subsidized by the
church--you can't just look at tuition to
know their costs. -tom
\_ They may be, but they may not be and
it's not clear to what extent. I went
to a Christian school and it wasn't.
Public schools receive money from other
sources, too, like the PTA fundraisers
and gifts. (The public middle school my
nephew goes to just received $400K from
a donor for a new tennis court.) Also,
many students at private schools pay
*less than* tuition because they
receive financial assistance. I think
it's reasonable to compare tuitions
because public schools receive a lot of
subsidies and private schools have expenses
public schools do not (like advertising).
I would argue they all wash out, which
is why the average private tuition and
public school expenditures are so similar
to each other.
\_ Even Communist Mainland China has a sustained higher growth rate
than the US.
\_ http://delong.typepad.com/sdj/2009/05/upward-mobility-reality-and-illusion.html
\_ This one is great, take that Gold Bugs:
link:tinyurl.com/d4lsch |
| 2009/4/25 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:52905 Activity:nil |
4/25 Life is unfair:
http://www.laalmanac.com/health/he06.htm |
| 2009/4/21-28 [Politics/Domestic/Immigration, Politics/Domestic/California] UID:52885 Activity:kinda low |
4/21 Real Per Capita spending in CA budget:
http://www.lao.ca.gov/2008/spend_plan/fig_6.jpg
Note that is is flat, which is the opposite of what we have
been repeatedly told on the motd.
\_ Does capita take in account for unaccounted illegal immigrants?
-Dr. jblack
\_ So the problem is we have too many deadbeats? Or a poorly
designed tax system?
\_ Or are spending far too much of it on prisons.
\_ Our inflow is too variable, and the legistlature doesn't want
to build a rainy day fund. The last time CA had a budget surplus
of any size, the Jarvis crowd went into a lather and cut taxes
via initiative, so you can see why they don't want to put anything
aside. Maybe people have wizened up, but I doubt it.
via initiative, so you can see why they don't want to put
anything aside. Maybe people have wizened up, but I doubt it.
\_ Damn those immigrants! -jblack
\_ This chart is BullShit:
Spending in nominal $$$ has roughtly doubled from 1997-8 to 2007-8
(http://www.dof.ca.gov/budgeting/budget_faqs/information/documents/CHART-A1.pdf
Population has risen like 12% in that time.
(http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0004986.html
I don't know what kind of BS inflation numbers they are using to
make this work out, but I can tell you that there was not THAT high
inflation between 1997 and 2007.
make this work out, but I can tell you that it was not THAT high.
\_ Given 12% population increase those numbers give me about 1.5x
per capita increase over 10 years, or about 4%/year. Seems
about right.
\_ It does seem kind of high, but 98 to 08 budget is up 80%, not
100%. Let me look at the numbers more closely. |
| 2009/4/3-5 [Finance/Banking, Politics/Domestic/California] UID:52791 Activity:nil |
4/3 LA homes are affordable again! 500K -> 200K. LA is where your
American Dream comes true!
http://www.cnn.com/2009/LIVING/04/02/foreclosure.dream.homes/index.html |
| 2009/3/15-19 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/California/Arnold] UID:52714 Activity:low |
3/15 "California due to release 1970s radical Olson"
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090315/ap_on_re_us/sla_olson
How did someone with such a rap sheet only get to serve seven years in
prison?
\_ How did someone with such a rap sheet only get to serve seven years
in prison?
\_ You may want to look up the difference between attempted and actually
committed crimes.
\_ You may want to look up the difference between attempted and
actually committed crimes.
\_ The difference is "she screwed up", not "she changed her mind". |
| 2009/3/13-19 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:52709 Activity:nil |
3/13 Whee! Now CA has an $8 Billion deficit! Wait, I thought we fixed
that?
link:tinyurl.com/aob98k
\_ You must be new here. |
| 2009/3/11-17 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:52700 Activity:moderate |
3/10 Pelosi, you hypocritical bitch
http://www.judicialwatch.org/news/2009/mar/judicial-watch-uncovers-documents-detailing-pelosis-repeated-requests-military-travel
\_ http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=7057198&page=1
Let me guess, ABC is obivously just too liberal for words.s
\_ Why do you hate America?
\_ America: love it or leave it, traitor!
\_ You ignorant fool. For one, she's third in line for the presidency.
Third. Flying privately with a trusted party makes damn good sense.
For another, she didn't request a large plane and only flew on it
when no other options were available, opting instead to go for a
12-seater plane. Lastly, her family members aren't even allowed on
the plane without compensating the military for the flight. This is
not a flagrant abuse of tax dollars. Parent post, ignorant bitch.
\_ Let them eat cake!
\_ You idiot. Her flying in a private plane is reasonable for
safety concerns. The 12-seater is a G5!!! It's a luxury plane.
And she was damn particular about wanting the G5:
"It is my understanding there are NO G5s available for the House
during the Memorial Day recess. This is totally unacceptable,"
said Pelosi appointee Kay King in a May 10, 2007 message to the
DOD. "The Speaker will want to know where the planes are."
"This is not good news, and we will now have some very
disappointed folks, as well as a very upset Speaker," King wrote
in another message to DOD.
\_ What would you prefer she ask for, an F-15?
\_ If I were her, I'd request a C-5. You can play football
in one of those.
\_ Oh NOES, an appointee said mean things to staff! That means
Pelosi's a corrupt beast! |
| 2009/3/3-11 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:52667 Activity:nil |
3/3 Want to play lotto? Try this app first:
http://tolearnflash.appspot.com/lotto
\_ What? You're saying the lotto is a racket? Say it ain't so!
\_ The random number generator seems to be fucked. I'm seeing numbers
that way outside of expected outcomes.
that are way outside of expected outcomes.
\_ I wonder if it wouldn't be more productive to expand lotto
opportunities to other social endeavors: lotto for transportation
budgets, for example, or an additional five dollar fee at the DMV
that enters you into a drawing; would people be more likely to
register their vehicles? CA could certainly use the money. |
| 2009/3/2-5 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Gay, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:52666 Activity:low |
3/2 http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/Business/story?id=6977202&page=1 Conservative states consume the most internet porn. Damn hypocritcal bastards. \_ The bigger question is how many are GAY porns? That's against Jesus Christ and God's belief. \_ Funny, then you would think conservatives would know what "teabagging" means. \_ Ha ha! I didn't know this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teabagging -- !OP \_ You know, I think Jesus would hate most American "Christians". \_ There is one other small problem with Edelman's efforts. His very first reference in the paper is built on a source long known to be completely false. On the second page of the report on his study published in the Journal of Economic Perspectives (Vol 23, #1, Winter 2009), Edelman relies on the claims of porn industry trade publication AVN Media Network that says the online porn industry made $2.8 billion dollars in 2006. AVN also claims that the entire porn industry pulled in nearly $13 billion in 2006. However, it has long been known that the numbers presented by AVN are in no way verifiable. Forbes Magazine took AVN.s claims to task back in 2001 (after one of AVN's earlier reports of porn industry takings) and found the numbers impossible to verify. In 2001 Forbes reckoned that the industry could not have made more than $4 billion, a number far less than the $10 billion AVN was then claiming. A 2007 Boing, Boing article also discussed the unverifiable AVN numbers. \_ What does that have to do with his original research using credit card data? \_ Give Conservatives a break. It's pretty lonely living in the farms and suburbia. |
| 2009/2/28-3/5 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:52662 Activity:low |
2/28 Where's ZombieTime when we need him?
http://washingtonindependent.com/31868/scenes-from-the-new-american-tea-party
\_ In SF, as usual. It looks like this guy pretty much had it
covered though.
\_ You'd think they could come up with a better gimmick than
"teabagging."
\_ And why do they have the teenage boy holding up the sign
encouraging teabagging? I wonder if he knows what he has
been put up to do... |
| 2009/2/27-3/6 [Politics/Domestic/California, Reference/Tax] UID:52655 Activity:low |
2/27 CA unemployment increases from 9.3% to 10.1% for Jan
\_ Good thing the legislature passed the biggest tax increase in
history! That should solve it.
\_ because cutting taxes has done such a great job so far!
\_ it has.. giving mortgages to poor folks did us in
\_ 100% horseshit.
\_ Find me an economist who thinks raising taxes will help
grow the economy.
\_ States can't run a deficit AND because of our fucked
up initiative system CA spending is pretty locked.
There's not much choice.
\_ I guess States need some of the stimulus money then
because the Feds can run a deficit. Raising taxes
right now is stupid.
\_ Raising taxes might hurt the economy less than cutting
services would.
\_ Those are not the only two choices.
\_ Once again, 100% horseshit.
http://blogs.bellinghamherald.com/politics/?p=845
"Drawing upon economic theory, we believe
reducing government spending will have a more
deleterious effect on Washington s economy than
would increasing revenue. Although both cuts in
government spending and tax increases have the
potential to slow economic growth, cutting
government spending would likely have the most
immediate impact by directly reducing
consumption. Tax increases are less problematic
because individual consumers, especially those
with higher-incomes, are unlikely to reduce
consumption by the full amount of the tax
increase." (First hit on Google.) -tom
\_ You do realize that all but a small handful
of the economists who are urging for higher
taxes rather than reduced government spending
in that letter are government employees,
right? 100% horseshit indeed.
\_ You asked me to find you an economist who
thinks raising taxes will grow the economy,
and I found you 20+ on the first Google hit,
\_ Uh, no. Those 20+ economist merely *said*
raising taxes would grow the economy. Whether
or not they actually *think* it will is
completely different. As I pointed out, they
were arguing for raising taxes in favor of
cutting state spending. Just casually looking
at where these people worked, all but 3-4 of
them were easily identifiable as state employees.
Do you want me to spell it out for you?
\_ Well, gee, pretty much all the economists
who say that raising taxes is bad are
wealthy taxpayers, so I guess we can ignore
their opinions. -tom
\_ Before you were just dense. Now you're
making imaginary arguments.
\_ How is it any more imaginary than the
argument that we should discount
economists who work for the
government? Economists who don't
work for the government directly
benefit from lower taxes; by your
"logic," we should discount their
opinions due to conflict of
interest. -tom
including several who are not government
employees. So, yes, 100% horseshit. Want to
try moving the yardsticks again? OK, here are
some more:
\_ These economists are comparing raising
taxes versus cutting spending, which is not
really the issue. Cutting spending right now
would be suicide. The alternative to raising
taxes is not cutting spending. It's running
a deficit, which makes sense to do during
lean economic times. During a Depression is
not the time to balance the budget.
\_ Nice job moving the yardsticks again. -tom
\_ You have a really low hurdle for
success if you want to take the
original statement literally.
http://www.nationaljournal.com/njmagazine/socialstudies.php
\_ This article says nothing at all about taxes versus economic
growth, but it does point out that federal spending as a % of
GDP is higher than historical levels.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/25/business/economy/25leonhardt.html
Please discount those, too. -tom
\_ The guy in this article notes that the economy grew the fastest
in the late 1990s when Clinton "briefly took federal taxes to
20% of GDP". There is no correlation between the taxes being
high and the <DEAD>dot.com<DEAD> growth. I think raising taxes during boom
periods is a smart idea, but the taxes were not the cause of the
boom. At the article points out, when you raise taxes on
cigarettes, consumption decreases. When you raise taxes on oil,
consumption decreases. You think raising income taxes will not
decrease consumption? Herbert Hoover raised taxes during the
Depression and it was a horrible blunder. Read up about it.
Let's not do that again.
http://www.heritage.org/Research/Taxes/wm1835.cfm
\_ Do you understand the difference between income tax and
sales tax?
\_ Do you understand the similarities? |
| 2009/2/27-3/5 [Politics/Domestic/California, Health/Women] UID:52654 Activity:moderate |
2/27 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7914357.stm *shocking* allegations. China denounces US 'rights abuse': China has responded in detail to a US report published this week criticising China for alleged rights abuses. Beijing released its own report on the US, saying crime is a threat to many Americans and racial discrimination prevails in social life across the US. \_ Chinese obviously doesn't know much about America. American are actually very abusive in terms of human rights but we've just accept it as part of the norm. example, USA has the highest incarceration rate, relatively high murder rate, Blacks/Latinos being jailed for drug-related crime are disproportionally higher than the demographics of the drug users, etc, etc. And I haven't start talking about outsourcing tortures, prisoner abuse, detain people indefinitely without trial nor charges... I really don't know what is so special about China and their human rights. \_ We generally don't run over protestors with tanks here. -tom \_ All of China is not Bejing. \_ Virtually no one in the USA goes to jail for just using drugs. In fact, in California, even many small time dealers may be released off the hook if caught dealing the first time. Those minorities in jail you're talking about are not there for just drug use. Most of them are recedivist dealers who negotiated a plea deal where they accept a relatively small jail time for drug possession in exchange for the judges dropping the more serious charges. They do it because most of them know their case wouldn't stand in court, and they would have to go to jail for much longer time. Just go outside of campus and see who is dealing drugs. \_ This is not true. I will do some research and get back to you, but there are millions in jail in the US for possession only. \_ Yeah. Please do so. Find and post whacked liberal web site link of the week to support your liberal agenda. I know second hand from people who had known others who had gone through the system. \_ Well since you put it that way, I won't waste my time. Obviously your second hand anecdotal knowledge is superior than any kind of fact-based reasoning. \_ Please tell us about your facts. What are they? You have a proof that the vast majority of drug "users" were not jailed for dealing? No one goes to jail for using drugs in California. That's a fact "users" were not jailed for dealing? No one goes to jail for using drugs in California. That's a fact Even small time dealers get at worst a probation sentense. Anyone who has gone through this system will tell you this. People who are in jail for the most part are real criminals. No doubt about it. You will tell you this. People who are in jail for the most part are the hardened criminals. No doubt about it. You can't see who is dealing drugs in the Bay Area and elsewhere? You still need to do research on that? elsewhere? You need to do research on that? Puhhlease.. \_ "No one goes to jail in California for using drugs." Having a hard time tracking down CA-specific numbers, but Bureau of Justice reports 250k prisoners under jurisdiction of state correctional authorities for drug offenses in 2005: http://csua.org/u/nnz If you can find a breakdown of CA prison pop. that shows no drug offenders, your case is made. \_ I don't know if he's right or not, but surely you realize that your link doesn't actually answer his claim. (Maybe for the same reason as conspiracy theories are impossible to disprove, but still...) Especially since dealing is a drug offense... -!pp \_ Catch-22, then. I would like much clearer statistics, but the sources are hard to find. \_ Yeah, you'd need to find both: how many people are in jail _just_ for possession, and how many plea deals were struck to reduce dealing to possession. And, you'd have to take into account the DAs who use a dealing charge as a threat to get a plea on possession.... \_ http://mises.org/freemarket_detail.aspx?control=7 \_ You might be right, even the DEA is in favor of treatment over jail for first time posession: http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/demand/speakout/10so.htm There's your wacked out liberal site for you, DOJ. |
| 2009/2/26-3/5 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:52650 Activity:nil |
2/26 "Fiscal conservatives" like Saxby Chambliss predictably uninterested
in Obama's proposal to curtail ag subsidies:
http://washingtontimes.com/news/2009/feb/26/lawmakers-hit-obama-proposal-to-cut-farm-aid |
| 2009/2/26-3/3 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Crime] UID:52644 Activity:nil |
2/26 If only Al Gore had had Norm Coleman's balls:
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/02/norm-coleman-maybe-we-need-a-do-over-election.php?ref=fp1
\_ yeah, I'm sure the Republican Congress and the stacked Supreme
Court would have gone right along with another election... -tom |
| 2009/2/25-3/3 [Politics/Foreign/Europe, Politics/Domestic/California] UID:52634 Activity:nil |
2/25 Whoops, looks like SFCron is on the rocks.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/02/24/BUannounce.DTL
\_ Not surprised. They don't even run a full page of comics. Instead,
they waste pages and pages on something called "news," which is
almost always boring and depressing. |
| 2009/2/24-3/3 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Crime] UID:52631 Activity:nil |
2/24 Megan's Law doesn't work:
http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2009/02/study_finds_megans_law_fails_t_1.html |
| 2009/2/17-22 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/911] UID:52593 Activity:nil |
2/17 The CA budget compromise only includes $3.1 Billion of actual cuts.
The rest are reductions of planned spending.
http://www.flashreport.org/blog.php?postID=2009021716041678 |
| 2009/2/17-19 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/California/Arnold] UID:52587 Activity:nil |
2/16 By the way, you had better hope you're not owed a CA state tax refund
this year. You'll be getting an IOU instead:
http://www.ftb.ca.gov/refund_delay_2008.shtml
\_ It was less than $300 for me, so I just redirected it to 2009
estimated tax.
\_ Mine was around 2 grand. Ouch! -op
\_ File amended return. Apply to current year, then decrease
your current withholdings by the same amount. You get your
refund whether CA likes it or not.
\_ What's the best web site to calculate the optimal W2
number for withhold?
\_ who cares about 1 month delay? You living paycheck by paycheck?
\_ I have no faith in Arnold and the idiots^H^H^H^H^HGOP in the
ledge. |
| 2009/2/17-19 [Politics/Domestic/California, Industry/Jobs] UID:52585 Activity:moderate |
2/16 So California is going to lay off 20% of employees. Seems like a
good idea, but won't all those people now get unemployment benefits? So
we'll be paying something like 60% of their salaries (depends on
their income) for 0% of their work.
\_ It's a great idea because we're starving the beast. Who needs
a big government? Every man should be self reliant for his own
life style. Ya know, buy your own electric generator and sustain
your own godamn lifestyle. -Republican troll
\_ 500K people are losing their jobs per month. Should the government
tax us more so that no one loses a gov't job?
^who still have jobs,
\_ Definitely not. The government should tax foreigners who are
taking most of the wealth that America trickled down to.
\_ The last time CA had a big layoff was 1974. I think it's time.
However, 20000 layoff notices doesn't mean 20000 layoffs.
\_ Just to be clear: layoffs seem like a good idea, but paying
people to not work seems like a bad idea. We should layoff
when the economy is *good* so that people get off of
unemployment quickly not when the economy is bad and people
will have trouble finding other work.
\_ That's very true. We should also save money in the good
times to spend in the bad. Please call me if you have
any inkling that any of these two things might actually
happen.
\_ San Francisco does it. I can't see why the State can't. |
| 2009/2/16-19 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:52580 Activity:kinda low |
2/16 In spite of GOP claims, there is very little pork in the
stimulus bill:
http://tinyurl.com/bg56eo (TNR)
\_ GOP lie and exaggerate? Never!
\_ oh? http://tinyurl.com/cpzfnf (WaPo)
\_ So you think that spending on High Speed Rail is pork?
\_ It's not "stimulus", that's for sure. The spending won't
apply to the short term.
\_ I don't know about that. A lot of money could be spent on
CAs high speed rail project in the next couple of years
and I don't know what the condition of the other 11 projects
mentioned, but I assume they could be accelerated as well.
They are certainly not pork, in any case. |
| 2009/2/13-18 [Politics/Domestic/California, Computer/Rants] UID:52571 Activity:nil |
2/13 So much for letting us read the bill for 48 hours
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvnwOjDjnH4 |
| 2009/2/9-15 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:52538 Activity:low |
2/9 GOP may be "winning" stimulus debate on TeeVee, but they're losing quite
badly with the public:
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/02/another-poll-shows-public-approving-obama-disapproving-gop-on-stimulus.php
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/02/poll-obama-way-ahead-of-gop-on-stimulus.php
\_ Uh, the support for the pork package is falling, and now the CBO
says we'll get out of the recession without a stimulus.
\_ Is the fallback position for the GOP? First they claim that
\_ Is this the fallback position for the GOP? First they claim that
the stimulus bill will be a disaster, then after it works, they
are going to claim "we would have gotten out of the recession
anyway"?
\_ No, they'll claim that the stimulus package prolonged the
recession. They'll keep repeating it and repeating it
until the dittoheads think it's a consensus view instead
of the product of ideological wack jobs. (See: Conservative
positions on FDR and the Depression). -tom
\_ Oh, yah, UCLA is conservative.
\_ Last I checked, CBO wasn't Republican.
\_ Your track record of reliably reporting from other sources
is suspect, at least to me. What is the URL to the CBO
report in question? It is not an exaggeration to claim
that almost every economist, no matter their political
stripe, think that a stimulus package is warranted.
stripe, thinks that a stimulus package is warranted.
\_ There's a summary at:
http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2009/02/cbo-predicts-recession-will-end-in-2009.html
But you'll dismiss that. So here's a link to the PDF
from the CBO:
http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/99xx/doc9958/01-08-Outlook_Testimony.pdf
\_ There is nothing in the CBO report that supports
your claim. In fact, it actually says this:
Principles for Fiscal Stimulus
In the absence of any changes in policy, CBO projects
that the economy will produce about $1 trillion less
output per year than its estimated potential in each of
2009 and 2010 and significantly less than its potential
in 2011 and 2012 as well (see Figure 12). The unemploy-
ment rate is forecast to rise above 9 percent by early
next year. Many economists believe that a stimulative
fiscal policy (that is, an increase in spending or
reduction in taxes designed to foster faster economic
growth in the short run) is desirable under the
current economic conditions.
\_ You apparently have a different definition of the word "falling"
than most people.
\_ 62% Want Stimulus Plan to Have More Tax Cuts, Less Spending
http://tinyurl.com/cajvyb [rasmussen]
\_ Wow, just wow. So a 36 point approval gap means nothing
to you? Keep drinking that Kool aid, man.
\_ I was responding to the "different definition of
falling" claim. Sorry for that linear logic. |
| 2009/2/8-12 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/California/Arnold] UID:52533 Activity:moderate |
2/8 Why California budget is such a mess:
link:www.mercurynews.com/ci_11649004
Most of it is frome the Republican favorites of prisons and tax cuts
for car drivers.
\_ Gray Davis is the one who caved to the prison guards union.
\_ The GOP has been the "get tough on crime" party since the days
of Nixon.
\_ Maybe, but:
1. I don't see them Democrat-controlled Congress doing
any different
2. The voters seem to agree when they vote for things
like 3 strikes
3. Gray Davis is the one who thought prison guards need
to make $150K per year. He's not a Republican.
\_ Prison guards don't make $150k/yr. Why do you spread
this kind of BS? They make the exact same as CHP officers,
in fact (which might be too high, but it is nothing like
your claim, it is more lik $80k/yr). I agree with you on
the voter part.
this kind of BS? The base pay for a senior guard is
$73k/yr, which might be too high, but is no where near
your claim. Starting salary is $43k/yr.
I agree with you that "the voters" have
agreed with the GOP on this issue, at least in the past.
Now the chickens are coming home to roost from the
irresponsible big government spending the GOP has
pushed for.
\_ I know a girl whose bf is a prison guard in the
Central Valley. With overtime he routinely makes
$120K-150K and even up to $200K some years. CHP can
make almost as much, too. Certainly 6 figures.
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/state/20060227-2124-guards-staff.html
\_ People routinely lie about their salaries.
There is a public database that has all California
State salaries. Show me a prison guard making $200k
per year. Do you think that people who do overtime
should not get paid for it? Your article claims
that one in ten make 6 figures (with lots of
overtime) and this is of course an entirely
different claim than your original assertion
that prison guards make $150k. "... the average
year-end gross pay for a stateprison guard last
year was $72,000."
\_ My article shows one made $187K in 2006 so it
is entirely possible. Maybe the average is
not $150K but if 10-15% are making $100K+ (up
to $187K) and the rest are making $70K I'd
say you are splitting hairs. Yes, prison
guards (at least some) do make $150K per year.
That is not a lie.
\_ The average is $72k so half (or so) are making
less than this. Surely you know what an
average is. From your article "An analysis of
state payroll data shows the average base pay
last year for a guard was $57,000." The guy
making $150k must be working 90 hrs/wk or
something. Hard to begrudge him getting paid
twice as much if he does the work of two men,
though perhaps the state should try and
distribute the overtime more evenly. The claim
that one (in 20000) prison guards makes $150k
a year is pretty amazingly different from the
claim that "prison guards make $150k/yr" and
you are disingenuous to claim otherwise.
distribute the overtime more evenly.
you are disingenuouss to claim otherwise.
you are disingenuous to state otherwise. |
| 2009/2/6 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:52530 Activity:nil |
2/6 I'm hearing about "The worst CA drought in 20 years." Honestly, I
can't seem to recall any year when I didn't hear about a drought in
CA. Still, it seems to be raining more than last year. Does anyone
have the numbers to show this drought is so bad? |
| 2009/2/6-12 [Politics/Domestic/California, Science/GlobalWarming] UID:52526 Activity:kinda low |
2/6 Chu says global warming will turn CA into a desert. Why can't I see
any trend on Tahoe snowfall in the last 100 years?
http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pj0h2MODqj3hvJSHq8lYoEA
\_ Because you're an idiot.
\_ Wait, there IS a trend there? Can you point it out?
\_ There does not appear to be a trend in that particular
set of data, taken out of context. The fact that you think
that is significant is why you are an idiot.
\_ The context to me is that there has been warming over the
last century, but no trend in the snowpack. Can you
explain why that's not significant? -op
\_ Your graph is snowfall, not snowpack. It's also picking
only one spot, when mountain conditions vary wildly from
one place to another. And the effects of global warming
are not linear. -tom
\_ Ah, thanks for pointing out my mistake of pack vs.
fall. Far more useful than simply saying I'm an
idiot. -op
\_ That's not why you're an idiot.
\_ FYI, your an idiot b/c you have dared to doubt
\_ FYI, you're an idiot b/c you have dared to doubt
the revealed truth of the prophet Gore. How dare
you! Who are you to think unapproved thoughts!
\_ The one good thing about Global Warming is that
it might (might!) dry up some of that froth. |
| 2009/2/4-10 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:52512 Activity:kinda low |
2/4 Another business flees California
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/02/04/AR2009020401632.html
\_ this whole bribe businesses to "create" jobs is a crock of bs imo
\_ Sure, but the end result is CA loses jobs.
\_ well, no, it isn't. Other business replace them. -tom
\_ May I suggest that when you make such asinine comments
that you don't sign your name? You're only embarrasing
yourself.
\_ May I suggest that when you personally insult someone
else that you sign your name? Coward.
(And here's a hint: there are more jobs now in
California than ever before). -tom
\_ what is the point of having jobs in califoria when the state
government can't get tax from them again? |
| 2009/1/22-27 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:52446 Activity:nil |
1/22 We now have more government workers than manufacturing
Note the steady growth of gov't jobs
http://fabiusmaximus.wordpress.com/2009/01/20/milestone
\_ What is this guys source for data? Overall employment in the
Federal Govt shrank during the Clinton years, but state govt may
have more than made up for that, I don't know.
\_ He says what his source is, right there on the page.
\_ That source doesn't do it for me, but I tracked down the
original data, which is from the US Census. Good enough for
government work, right? The percentage of the population that
has been employed by the government has been steady at 7%
since 1980. The percentage employed in manufacturing has
declined.
\_ The numbers at http://www.bls.gov/emp/empmajorindustry.htm
match OPs chart. (and btw, these show a 14% Gubment
employment level, again not including tax attorneys and
gubment contractors.) |
| 2009/1/12-15 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/California/Arnold] UID:52362 Activity:moderate |
1/12 Californians fleeing to other states in record numbers:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090112/ap_on_re_us/fleeing_california
\_ Thank god, I hope this will ease up with congestion. On the
other hand, this may result in Latino explosion... hmmm....
\_ OH NOES! THE LATINOS ARE COMING!
\_ I don't mind more Salma Hayek and Yurizan Beltran.
\_ "...in fact, the state's population continues to increase
overall"
\_ Yay!
\_ So you think California sucking ass is a good thing? Did
you read the article?
\_ I think that California could do with a little more fleeage.
\_ I would flee CA if my job wasn't so awesome.
\_ It's in the 60s in January here in SFBA. It's 16 in Kansas. Not
moving.
\_ It's in the 80s here in SoCal in January, which is why
I did move. Arizona and Florida are also nice this time
of year, so it's not all about weather.
\_ But Arizona and Florida suck in the summer.
\_ Suck in general. Sorry, can't stand most of non-
California's attitude toward race and politics.
\_ link:www.csua.org/u/nai
\_ do you have a thick accent and wear People's
republic of Berkeley tshirts?
\_ what year are you living in, new england is fine.
\_ Boston is the new Sunnyvale.
\_ Somerville is the new Sunnyvale. |
| 2009/1/5-8 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:52316 Activity:nil |
1/5 He's good enough, he's smart enough, and doggone it, people like him!
\_ Well, the Sec of State likes him enough to steal the election.
\_ I guess the Republican leaning election board liked him too.
\_ Someone had to win. The error measurement of an election is
greater than the difference of votes in these cases, so it is
basically a toss-up. |
| 2008/12/28-2009/1/7 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:52300 Activity:moderate |
12/22 What the deal with flyng a confederate flag? I always assumed
it was a symbol of racism, but some people seem to do it so
casually that I'm not sure that's it anymore.
\_ it's a southern heritage pride thing, which oftens involves
the flag waver ignoring how pissed off a brown person might
get about it. whatever, i don't care, i'll never live anywhere
where people are stupid enough to still wave the rebel flag
\_ Well, yeah, but I live in the bay area and there's a house
down the street with one next to the US flag. WTF?
\_ Maybe getting up in his face would help resolve the situation,
especially if you are a minority or foreign born.
\_ flying US flag == ok. flying rebel flag == not so ok. understand?
\_ it's just a dukes of hazard thing
\_ It's not typically about racism. It's about pride of independence.
I went to the Jefferson Davis home and there were Confedertate
flags everywhere (as you might guess) and race doesn't play any
part in it. It might have 100 years ago, but not now.
\_ Really? Do you know any black people that fly a confederate
flay? Why not?
flag? Why not?
\_ I bought mine at a store in alabama from a black storekeeper.
\_ I personally don't know *anyone* who flies a Confederate
flag. However, like I said, I saw some flying at the home
of Jefferson Davis. Do you think that's a statement on
race? I don't.
\_ I've seen it flown everwhere, from alabama to black rock
city. You see what you want to see with it. YMMV
\_ The problem with showing Ink Blob psychology pictures
to a nation as diverse as America is that you're
almost guaranteed to offend someone.
\_ You're guaranteed to offend someone no matter what
you do or don't do. I think a lot of Yankees find
the Confederate flag offensive, but I'm not sure
it's because of any racial issue. The Civil War
wasn't really about race. I spent some time touring
antebellum plantations this holiday and was told
that almost nothing changed in terms of treatment
or conditions for the 'slaves' after the Civil War
ended except that they drew meager salaries which
basically provided for their subsistence. Some of the
'slave's quarters' were used by sharecroppers up until
the 1970's. Southerners were very classist, certainly.
Maybe still are. However, the Confederate flag is not
some blatant symbol of racism like, say, the Swastika
is. If it makes people uncomfortable it's because it
reopens wounds that still haven't completely healed (on
both sides). Yankees like to play the race card more
than Southerners do when it comes to the Civil War and
the Confederacy which is, I think, how Lincoln and his
cabinet crafted things to be. (History is written
by the winners...) I've spent a lot of time in The
South and Yankees are guilty of perpetuating a lot of
ugly Southern stereotypes. It's just that in places like
SF there's no one to call them on it and so it becomes
fact to people who obtain all of their knowledge of
The South from "The Dukes of Hazzard".
\_ It's on TV, it's true. Moral of the story:
if you start a war, you better make sure you
win the war. WW2 turned a bunch of elitist
Japanese into Western material worshipping,
bukake loving wimps.
\_ The Civil War was certainly about slavery, even if
it wasn't about "race." Are you really this mis-
informed about American history, or are you just
trolling? Of course the Confederate flag is a symbol
of racism, perhaps not when flying over a monument,
but pretty much every racist group, including the
Klan and skinhead groups, uses it as one of their
symbols. You have a very simplistic view of The
Reconstruction and aftermath as well, btw. The
former slaves did not simply all turn into
sharecroppers. I agree with what you say about many
Californians idiotically assuming that everyone with
a Southern accent must be stupid and uneducated. I
was stationed in North Carolina for three years and
people there are no dumber than anywhere else. If
anything, race relations are probably a bit better
in The South than in The Bay Area today.
\_ The Civil War was not really about slavery.
Lincoln didn't free the slaves until it was
underway and not even in all states. That's not to
say that slavery wasn't a contributing factor
to the conflict. However, as you say, slavery
isn't race. Lincoln himself believed in white
supremacy. Many (most?) Yankees opposed to
slavery were still racist and slavery was hardly
a Southern North American phenomenon. Slavery
hasn't been allowed for 140 years, but racism is
still alive and well in this country. The
Confederate flag isn't a symbol of racism any more
than is the American flag which the Klan proudly
displays at its rallies. BTW, I didn't say all
slaves turned into sharecroppers. I mentioned that
because it was clear that the Yankees didn't give
a shit about what happened to the slaves they
freed and many of them had the same (or worse)
lives after the Civil War. That's not to say
slaves preferred bondage, but it calls into
question Yankee motives when there were people
essentially working as paid slaves to wealthy
landowners at least until the 1970s if not
beyond.
To be clear: I think the Confederate flag can
rightfully be construed as offensive, but not
because it represents racism. How would you
feel about someone flying the flag of the
USSR or North Korea?
\_ Your broad brush ignores the thousands of
"carpetbaggers" who risked everything to move
to The South to help blacks gain the rights to
vote and public education. Many of them ended
up killed for their efforts. Not to mention the
many northerners who stayed at home and
supported Republican causes. While it is true
that eventually most of the gains of the Civil
War were rolled back, it is a stretch to lay
this at the hands of "Yankees." It was mostly
Southern voters who created things like Black
Laws and Jim Crow. They had some support from
Northerners, to be sure, but not generally a
majority of them. In America today, wearing or
displaying the Confederate flag is generally
concered a statement supporting the ideals of
the Southern Rebellion, which inculded support
for slavery and the racism that implies. There
are exceptions of course, and everything
depends on circumstance (using one in a play
about the antebellum South, for example), but
a majority feels that way. You can argue until
you are blue in the face but it won't change
that fact.
\_ Do you have any evidence to support your
fact that a majority of people associate the
Confederate flag with racism? How much
of a majority: 51% to 49%? What if 88%
of people don't see a problem with it,
but 12% do? Is that still okay? What if
those 12% are also blacks? I'd like to see
some statistics here.
\_ Do you need to see statistics that
flying the flag of the Third Reich
has implications of anti-semitism?
The Confederacy was a government that
wanted to assert its right to make
decisions separately from the federal
government, and the major issue the
rebel states wanted self-determination
about was slavery. It's disingenuous
to say the Civil War wasn't about slavery
just because the Emancipation
Proclamation happened after it began;
slavery was the #1 political issue
of the time. -tom
\_ The Third Reich incinerated lots of
Jews and made no apologies. On the
other hand, the Confederates didn't
do anything the Yankees didn't.
It's not like the Union was
exclusively comprised of states
that did not own slaves or that
Northerners were not racist. So,
yes, I need to some some statistics.
I saw some hand-waving on the
Internets about most people (even
most black people) *not* being
offended by the Confederate flag.
Cited was a Harris poll taken in
1994, but Harris archives do not
go back that far. Real data and
not opinions taken as fact by Bay
Area Yankees would be really useful.
\_ People from California are generally
\_ People from C[A] are generally
not considered Yankees, or at least
that is what I have been told by
many Southerners. In any case,
googling for "confederate flag
gallup" gives you the results of
a gallup poll in 1992 and 2000 on
this topic. In 1992, 27% thought
that displaying the Confederate
Flag was primarily or partially
racist, in 2000, the number was
37%. They have not done a poll
since then. A majority of blacks in
Alabama voted to remove the "stars
and bars" from the state flag, while
a majority of whites voted the
opposite. Gallup poll responders
were split on the issue in 2000.
and bars" from the state flag,
while a majority of whites voted
the opposite. Gallup poll
responders were split on the issue
in 2000.
\_ California was fighting on
the side of the Union,
so... Less than 40% of people
consider it "partially racist".
Therefore, most people do
not consider it so.
\_ Yes, I can do the math and I
see that my claim is not
supported by polls from 2000.
I would like more recent
numbers if possible, but in
any case, you can see why it
is a contentious issue.
\_ This is not a symbol of racism:
http://tinyurl.com/983av3
\_ I've noticed that hate websites really look like shit.
This one isn't the worst I've seen, but is somewhat shitty. |
| 2008/12/12-17 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:52237 Activity:high |
12/12 Turns out it was the Dems in the senate who stopped the bailout
http://tinyurl.com/6yvf6k
\_ Right. And the Democrats are the ones who got us into the War
in Iraq. Uh huh.
\_ Uh, the vote for cloture was 52, with 4 D's voting nay and 4 not
voting. You think that's up for debate?
\_ The vote was as follows:
Democrats: 42 Y 4 N 4 A
Republicans: 10 Y 40 N(and A)
And your conclusion is that the Democrats "stopped the
bailout" right?
\_ Keep on pretending.
\_ Good for them. I'm disappointed that more aren't against it. -tom
\_ Woah, tom & I agree on something? -emarkp
\_ tom, you, and I agree on this. But we're bound to agree
on tautologies, like oxygen is necessary for living,
drinking water is good for you, literacy is good etc. -pollux
\_ Yes, I figured this was implicit in my comment--an issue on
which there are legitimate opinions on either side. -emarkp
\_ socialising failure and communism for the rich is
not a legitimate reason. Historically this is chrysler
bailout #2 so, so philosophically, morally, and
historically this bailout shouldn't happen. -pollux
\_ who cares if we bailed out Chrysler before. We bailed out
the world of finance in the 80s, why did we bail them out
again?
\_ you had your socialist empire, it failed, leave us
alone. No bailouts.
\_ so we give 800 billion to the banks, and we cant give 15 bill
to the industrial base? great.
\_ If you want the government to invest in the country's industrial
base, then is handing 15-34 billion to these three companies
really the best way to go about it? Consider that this is more
than these three companies put together are worth.
\_ No, I think the idea is more that we can't afford another
1M unemployed right now.
\_ It's time for poetic justice; we should have the auto
makers declare bankruptcy, and give their assets to
Amtrak, who will use them to develop trolley systems in
cities nationwide. -tom
\_ There are about, what, eight cities in the nation that
would benefit by this? Fewer? And how many of those don't
already have a trolley or similar?
\_ I was joking, but every city would benefit by having
a trolley system. Every city *did* benefit by having
a trolley system; they were widespread in the early
20th century. They only were killed because of a
typically unfortunate marriage of politics and greed.
-tom
\_ Only in the sense that every city would also benefit
by having free public helicopter service.
\_ The ROI on commuter rail in most American cities
is better than ROI on roads. -tom
\_ Why was the plan blocked? An e-mail message circulated among Senate
Republicans declared ... an opportunity ... to "take their first
shot against organized labor."
\_ i can fake email headers too
\_ http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/15/opinion/15kristol.html |
| 2008/12/9-12 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:52217 Activity:nil |
12/9 The book burners of the left
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/07/opinion/07egan.html?_r=1&ref=opinion
\_ What the fuck are you talking about? Are you insane or just
retarded?
\_ I think I'm stupider for having read that.
\_ Your reading comprehension is poor. |
| 2008/12/3-7 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:52155 Activity:nil |
12/3 Chambliss (R) wins in GA:
http://preview.tinyurl.com/69ppdp [wash. post] |
| 2008/12/2-7 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:52147 Activity:nil |
12/2 Joke: CA passed a law for bigger cages. What are they going to
do with the smaller cages?
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/11/californias-spl.html
\_ Yes, that makes sense. The state with the most progressive civil
union laws will cage gays. Sure.
\_ It's a joke son.
\_ A stupid joke. That ignores reality.
\_ So a frog walks into a bar, slaps down a hundred dollar
bill saying "give me a beer." Bartender hands over a beer
and, thinking "what does a frog know anything about
money?" says "That'll be $100 please." The frog gives
him the money and starts drinking the beer. As he's sitting
there the bartender starts to feel a bit guilty about
ripping the frog off, so he makes some smalltalk. "We don't
get many frogs around here" he says and the frog replys
get many frogs in here" he says and the frog replys
"At prices like that I'm surpised you get anyone."
\_ A rabbi walks into a bar with a purple frog on his
shoulder. The bartender says, "wow, where'd you get
that?" The frog replies, "Brooklyn! There's hundreds
of 'em."
\_ And old man goes to confessional and says "Father, I'm
80 years old, I've been married for 55 years but last
night I had sex 6 times with 18 year old twins" The
priest asks "Ok. How long has it been since your
last confession?"
"Oh I've never been, I'm Jewish father."
"Then why are you telling me?"
"Are you kidding, I'm telling everyone!"
\_ Q. What's brown and sticky?
A. A stick
Two muffins are sitting in an oven. One looks to the other
and asks, "Dude, is it getting really hot in here?"
The other replies, "HOLY SHIT! A talking muffin!"
\_ Knock knock.
\_ MOOOOOO!
\_ What would make sense is to cage Mormons. I mean, they're
already living in an overly sheltered world anyways, what
difference will it make? |
| 2008/11/25-12/2 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:52106 Activity:nil |
11/25 State of California decides that complaint against Mormon Church
for violating political financing laws is worth investigation:
http://tinyurl.com/6e6mxb (SF Gate)
\_ There's an editorial in the Chronicle today from a high school
student who is mad people said mean things to him when he
went to a Yes in 8 rally. They were mean! MEAN I TELL YOU.
\_ At least she wasn't beaten by two grown men:
http://www.sfexaminer.com/local/33829524.html |
| 2008/11/21-28 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/California/Prop] UID:52069 Activity:nil |
11/21 California now state with 3rd highest unemployment rate at 8.2%
(behind Michigan and RI at 9.3%)
\_ Just wait until Ahnold's new taxes kick in.
\_ I'm looking forward to my new 11.25% sales tax rate.
\_ Is this for reals or just a joke? URL?
\_ REPEAL PROP 13!!! |
| 2008/11/21 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:52064 Activity:nil |
11/21 Franken's continuing efforts to steal an election
http://tinyurl.com/56sept |
| 2008/11/17 [Politics/Domestic/California, Finance/Investment] UID:52014 Activity:nil 72%like:51977 |
11/14 http://delong.typepad.com/sdj/2008/11/worst-economic.html PSOTO thinks we're all gonna die. \_ lulz lulz lulz lulz lulz lulz lulz lulz \_ does this sequence converge? \_ That's a pretty terrifying chart \_ "worst downturn since the Great Depression" - duh? we're all gonna die / mad max? I don't see that. |
| 2008/11/16-17 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:51998 Activity:nil |
11/17 Mormon Church claims it followed the law in Prop 8 spending reports:
http://www.sltrib.com/ci_10982571
\_ ...and opponents say they didn't. Will be interested to see what
the authorities conclude. |
| 2008/11/15-26 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/911, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51994 Activity:nil |
11/16 America: not racist anymore!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081116/ap_on_re_us/obama_racial
\_ is that why people are celebrating, b/c their white guilt is over? |
| 2008/11/14-26 [Politics/Domestic/California, Finance/Investment] UID:51977 Activity:low 72%like:51974 72%like:52014 |
11/14 lulz http://delong.typepad.com/sdj/2008/11/worst-economic.html BDELONG thinks we're all gonna die. \_ lulz lulz lulz lulz lulz lulz lulz lulz \_ does this sequence converge? \_ That's a pretty terrifying chart \_ "worst downturn since the Great Depression" - duh? we're all gonna die / mad max? I don't see that. |
| 2008/11/14-26 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:51975 Activity:nil |
11/13 lulz Hey lulz guy, if you delete this one more time, I am going to start
nuking the motd. -#1 lulz guy fan
http://tinyurl.com/68g36c
Complaint filed against Mormon church for lying about campaign
contributions to Prop 8.
\_ that is a gay blog
\_ I hope you report on the result when this ridiculous case is thrown
out. Any lawsuits against other groups? How about Rev. Wright's
church? How about any church that has had candidates behind the
pulpit?
\_ lulz
\_ Why would he? Let those with that interest post their own
junk. No one's stopping them. |
| 2008/11/14 [Politics/Domestic/California, Finance/Investment] UID:51974 Activity:nil 72%like:51977 |
11/14 http://delong.typepad.com/sdj/2008/11/worst-economic.html BDELONG thinks we're all gonna die. "lulz" |
| 2008/11/13 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Gay] UID:51963 Activity:nil |
11/13 http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081108/ap_on_re_us/mormon_backlash_boycott_2 |
| 2008/11/12-26 [Politics/Domestic/California, Reference/Military] UID:51955 Activity:nil 66%like:51950 |
11/12 http://preview.tinyurl.com/5ajv4e [la times] SCOTUS hates whales. \_ Save the whales - collect the entire set. For those who are interested, here is a link to the opinion: http://www.supremecourtus.gov/opinions/08pdf/07-1239.pdf |
| 2008/11/12-26 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:51953 Activity:nil |
11/12 Democrat Begich takes 3-vote lead in Alaska Senate race
http://preview.tinyurl.com/5d57to
...how would this not trick an automatic recount or
special run-off election?
\_ Aren't you supposed to be banging some hot 22 year old with an
ass that melts butter or something? Did she dump you?
\_ Did you even read your own article.
\_ Of course not! |
| 2008/11/12 [Politics/Domestic/California, Reference/Military] UID:51950 Activity:nil 66%like:51955 |
11/12 http://www.latimes.com/business/la-na-scotus13-2008nov13,0,4304606.story USSC hates whales. |
| 2008/11/11-26 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Gay] UID:51921 Activity:nil |
11/11 Forces of tolerance in Palm Springs
http://tinyurl.com/6x4dl7 (Fox affiliate news piece on old lady
demanding to protest The Gay amidst Prop 8 opposition)
\_ You shouldn't have to tolerate bigotry and hate
\_ Yet we have to put up with you? |
| 2008/11/10-26 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/President] UID:51904 Activity:nil |
11/10 Why $700B in bailout money? Here is one chart:
http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h253/etzelo/control1.jpg
\_ http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2008/10/30
Can't cut GS bonus money this year, can we? |
| 2008/11/7-13 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Gay] UID:51868 Activity:low |
11/7 Now that prop 8 looks like it's passed, does that mean all married
gay couples have to file taxes separately again, and revert any other
agreements from married to domestic partner (if it existed)?
\_ Presumably not until after the case is heard.
\_ I think it should be in effect the day the results are certified,
unless there's an injuction. -op
\_ Even if the courts ok it, it isn't clear what will happen to
people who were married before the gay marriage man.
\_ well, doesn't prop 8 define marriage as between a man and a woman
\_ doesn't prop 8 define marriage as between a man and a woman
\_ did some more reading. apparently the fact that it may
(a) retroactively penalize individuals and (b) conflict with equal
protection argues the "existing marriages still valid" case. -op
\_ Uh, emancipation retroactively punished the slaveowners.
\_ Uh, no. Since the human beings were no longer property, no
penalty was accrued. Now, if the slaveowners had had to make
reparations, that would have been punishment.
\_ uh, they'd paid money for slaves. the slaves were then
released. Where'd that investment go?
\_ By the terms of emancipation, they could not own the
slaves to begin with. There was no more investment
here than there would be in purchasing uncontained
oxygen. The risk that they assumed in purchasing
slaves (i.e., that slavery would be abolished)
was merely part of the cost, not a retroactive
punishment.
\_fascism is the name of an
ancient way o f keeping
a group t o g e t h e r ;
unified against
decadence-and-the-perils-of
a-lost-society-built-on-the
cult of ego worship; usury!
so that w e can
pursue holism i n seeking
the path to truth hidden;
this is but o n e veritas
\_ Wow! What a subliminal message. |
| 2008/11/6-13 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Foreign, Politics/Domestic/California/Prop] UID:51866 Activity:low |
11/6 SOCIALNETWORKISM
\_ Yes? What about it? Young people today with nothing to lose
but everything to gain from Socialism, embrace it. We're
tired of having sucky infrastructures and unfairness.
Let us all embrace socialism.
\_ Why do you think they have nothing to lose?
\_ Read Prop 13 history and ramifications
\_ I presume you are free-market type. Please do tell me you
oppose the 700 billion bail out package. Please tell me you
do support the abolishment of
- SEC
- FDIC
- FDA
- minimum wage
- child labor law
- ban on human trafficking
and let the invisible hand does everything.
\_ Excellent straw man sir!
\_ oh yeah? why don't you take a shot at it. Free Market right?
do you support the 700 billion bail out? do you support
government bail out of GM/Ford? do you support government
in effect double our national debt by acquiring AIG (liability
on AIG's book constitute as part of national debt).
Do you support roll back of margin requirement regulations
that imposed by FDR? Do let me know. Because *PERSONALLY*
given the choice of government take over these failed companies
versus just hand out free cash to them with little or no
string attached, I prefer the former. If a company is too big
to fail, then, it's to big. Let it fail as free market
dictate, right?
\_ You know, I'd say 8 of the top 10 nicest countries to
live in in the world are socialist.
\_ Which are the other two? Switzerland and Singapore?
\_ Nicest for who? You need to think about that.
\_ I'm the decider, and I decide what is best for the
country. -GWB
\_ Wow, I think this is the most efficent troll I have ever
seen. Bravo!
\_ Seconded. It takes the Art of Troll to the next level. Kudos!
\_ Key word: socialism
\_ BUD CORT doesn't like your tone. Obviously you've never
\_ BUD CORT doesn't like your tone. Obviously you've never been
served. |
| 2008/11/6-13 [Politics/Domestic/Gay, Politics/Domestic/California] UID:51863 Activity:moderate |
11/6 Does anyone know why most of the coastal counties are anti prop 8
and most of the inland counties are for prop 8?
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/individual/#CAI01
\_ Because people who live near the coast tend to be more wealthy
and worldly, while people stuck inland tend to be landlocked
hicks.
\_ ^hick^yokel
\_ racist! eh, yokelist!
\_ Um, you did see that 70% blacks voted yes on 8? Not even
Christians voted yes on it at that high of a rate.
\_ Blacks have a tendency to exhibit hick-like behavior.
\_ racist
\_ The big cities are coastal. Urban centers tend to be more lefty.
Besides, if you were to guess where gay people lived, wouldn't SF
and LA be high up on your list?
\_ No, just SF. LA's only gay spot is N Hollywood, which is
nothing compared to SF. As for the rest like Orange County,
it's very much a non-religious Republican stronghold with
lots of people believing in family values.
\_ It's WEST Hollywood. North Hollywood is a rough area in
the valley. No self-respeting gay man would be caught dead
there.
\_ At that point, his location probably wouldn't be up to him.
\_ Congratulations, you get the joke
\_ "family values" in the OC include ignoring your children,
cheating on your spouse, divorcing, and having abortions in
other parts of CA so as to avoid running into someone you
know at the clinic. Fuck OC.
\_ I've heard so much about the OC. I've seen it in
Desperate Housewives. But tell us more about the OC,
I'd like to hear from someone who actually experienced it
\_ Got a car? No? Don't bother.
\_ I'd like to hear from someone who actually experienced
*them*. |
| 2008/11/5 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan] UID:51845 Activity:nil |
11/5 RIP Michael Crichton:
http://preview.tinyurl.com/5uo43y [cnn] |
| 2008/11/5 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:51841 Activity:very high |
11/5 I can't believe Proposition 8 passed... further proof that California
is full of ignorant people and bigots.
\_ When flaming people for ignorance,
run your comments through
spell-check.
[Don't delete this, please. This
is a flame for your spelling.]
\_ MORMON POWER! Don't mess with us!
\_ ob why do you want public school to turn your kids gay
\_ What I find strange is that on one hand Prop 8 passed, while on the
other hand Californials voted for Obama over McCain by a wide
margin. They seem contradictory.
\_ Why, because Obama "married" a transgender "man"?
\_ Because Prop 8 is a high-profile proposition and Obama opposes
it. -- PP
\_ He also opposes same-sex marriage.
\_ Multi-tiered issue voting.
\_ Blacks tend to be more religious and less accepting of
homosexuality; they turned out in droves to vote for Obama.
\_ Exit polls disagree with you.
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/polls/#CAI02p1 |
| 2008/11/4-5 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:51828 Activity:high |
11/4 Regardless of the outcome, I'm very proud of all the Americans
who voted today. We've come a long way and it's amazing that
women & black men actually have a chance of winning. Something
like this was unthinkable in the 60s. We've come a long way.
\_ not really. they all suported the bailout which continues to come
pouring out of our pockets. maybe it was necessary to win the
election, but it's still fucked up.
\_ Considering that we voted for a black president even though the
population is 80% white and 13% black, yes we've come a long way.
Or, Bush has come a long way to screw up his party that even a
black candidate could beat the Republican nominee.
black candidate (let alone the first major one in US history) could
beat the Republican nominee.
\_ You're proud of all who voted? That's incredibly vacuous.
\- in 2004 when bush was re-elected, i was really demoralized that
this wasnt just "four more years" but said something bigger and
something awful about america and intolerance and parochialism and
appeals to the "worse angels of out nature". now on the other
hand i am amazed the first black president isnt a 65yrs old
black man raised in a affulent suburb of new york city with a
long moderate legislative history who only made it to the top
after being tapped as VP or Secy State or other national
office by "the establishment" or a distinguished military career
[sort of a colin powell senario ... except it would be the yr 2052].
it is so amazing the man to took us here was is a young man, without
any political connections and exceeding modest family background,
a father from "exotic kenya", a mother with an odd lifestyle,
who grew up in indonesia and hawaii, has the middle name "hussein",
was a professor at an elite college ... pointinheaded, academically
inclined university of chicago for crying out loud ... built a
campaign apparatus against a consciousless, highly resourced
heir apparent ... it is amazing epic story. with a sad and poignant
"literary" turn at the very end with the death of the grandmother
[the details of his relationship with her have their own amazing
almost "literary" quality ... like thier greyhound trip across
the country]. just amazing. --psb
\_ Yes, except California is still full of biggots. Prop 8 passed.
\_ And illiterates,
apparently.
\_ Yes, except California is still full of bigots. Prop 8 passed.
\_ MORMON POWER!!!
\_ Yes, except that the winner is still the one with X times (I
think it's 8) campaign spending over the loser.
think it's 7) campaign spending over the loser.
\- this is not like corzine in new jersey. they fact that so
much of the money came from people giving a continual
stream of small donations suggested they were engaged rather
than "throwing money at the problem". one reason for the
strength of conversative causes like pro-lifers is they
are willing to make ssacrifices for their beliefs, such as
spending a afternoon agitating about their cause rather than
drinking beers and playing pool. a better criticism might
be "well all he had to do was beat Hilary (the extreme liar)
and then coast to victory ... it doesnt say that much about
america" but i dont agree with that either. although he does
get more propers for beating a cockroach like her who would
not go gently into the night and felt differnt rules applied
to her. |
| 2008/11/4-5 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51823 Activity:nil |
11/4 What graphical/topo map web site do you guys use to track latest poll
results live? Does it show trend, volumn, etc easily?
\_ Where can I find live results for Prop 8? I really want to
know where people stand on Prop 8, geographically.
\_ http://maps.google.com/help/maps/elections/#2008_election
\_ http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008
\_ NYT iPhone dashboard (webpage, not a stupid, buggy app):
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/results/dashboard.html
Non-iPhone:
http://elections.nytimes.com/2008/results/president/map.html |
| 2008/11/4 [Politics/Domestic/California, Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:51808 Activity:low |
11/4 reload this several thousand times today:
http://maps.google.com/help/maps/elections/#2008_election
\_ It seems to refresh automatically.
\_ It's strange. I get the zoom buttons in IE7 but not Firefox 2,
while I get maps for Alaska and Hawaii at the bottom left in
Firefox 2 but not in IE7. |
| 2008/11/3 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:51804 Activity:kinda low |
11/3 I just heard that Republicans are supposed to vote WEDNESDAY.
Make sure you spread this news!
\_ Republicans vote tomorrow; Dems vote Wednesday!
\_ I just heard that Replblicans say that Democrats are supposed to
vote Wednesday. Make sure you spread the news that Republicans
are spraeding this news! |
| 2008/11/3 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:51795 Activity:high |
11/3 Protect Marriage and vote YES ON EIGHT! Trickle down economy
works. Let's cut tax till the beast is starving. Let California
go bankrupt! Iraq War is good. God Bless. -Reagan loving zombie troll
\_ What's Obama's position on CA Prop 8, or the same issue on national
level?
\_ Obama is anti-8
\_ Congratulations. You've made more No on 8 voters with your h0zery. |
| 2008/11/3 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Gay, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51788 Activity:moderate |
11/3 Obama, a former constitutional law professor, said last year that he
would look for candidates with "the heart, the empathy, to recognize
what it's like to be a teenage mom. The empathy to understand what
it's like to be poor, or African American, or gay, or disabled, or
old." Oh good, wouldn't want judges to just, you know, apply the law.
\_ This was on the motd 6 days ago.
\_ GOOD. I hate rich white people. They need to get the fuck
out of MY California.
\_ The implication is that under judges appointed by the GOP, the law
has not been applied fairly to the people he lists. His appointments
would bring balance to the Force. He is the vergence. |
| 2008/11/3-4 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:51787 Activity:nil |
11/3 Dear Prop 8 fanatics:
http://www.google.com/search?q=prop+8
Click on the advertisement that goes AGAINST your belief. Congrats!
You've wasted your opponent 15-50 cents. Send this message to
your friends!!
\_ Desperation level plaid. |
| 2008/11/2-4 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/California/Arnold] UID:51781 Activity:moderate |
11/2 EXTREMELY long rant against Proposition 8 and judicial
activism relocated to /tmp/MarriageRant. Read it there.
Leave it there.
\_ The rant there is *for* prop 8
\_ Pro prop 8 guy needs to be squished. I'm voting against Prop 8
for the sake of giving conservatives my message: Get your
entire fucking conservative family out of my state. Go back
to Utah and Texas.
\_ Yeah! No Free Speech for Facists!
\_ Prop 8 guy needs to be squished for scripting the motd, not
for his politics.
\_ Since 61% voted for 22, I think you're the one in the wrong
state.
\_ eight years is a long time
\_ Indeed, the judicial decision overturning Prop 22 was 4-3.
\_ prime example of legislating from the Bench.
the US is for the people by the people. .not by judges
\_ Of course Arnold vetoed a bill allowing gay marriage
saying it was something for the courts to rule on.
But don't stop that from influencing your talking points.
\_ The POWER of sed
\_ TL:DR |
| 2008/10/31 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:51763 Activity:high |
10/31 Look asshole, NO ONE cares what YOU think ok? Vote your vote,
we don't care. Fucking asshole. If you want to post an essay
over 24 lines, put it on a blog. We'll respond to it maturely.
\_ Free speech for me, but not for thee, eh?
\_ Cut/paste from other source is not free speech, it is
abusing motd. Cut it out.
\_ it's too long, dude - clip out your one favorite, short part, and
link the rest
\_ Seriously. It's a long ass rant that you are cutting and
pasting. We all know how the web works, we are all
capable of using a browser. |
| 2008/10/31 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:51758 Activity:nil |
10/31 [vote no on everything] |
| 2008/10/31 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:51757 Activity:high |
10/31 Who is the fuckstick that keeps spamming the motd with that
california proposition trash? Go eat a bag of dicks, shitstain.
-anti-free speech sadan |
| 2008/10/30-31 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:51743 Activity:nil |
10/30 Why is a vote for Barack Obama a vote for the death of Israel?
\_ I'm excited about President Blackman
\_ Because he has no Holocaust Guilt. |
| 2008/10/29 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:51730 Activity:nil |
10/29 People of Southern California unite and say yes to 8!!!
\_ ob what about nocal |
| 2008/10/28-31 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:51715 Activity:nil |
10/28 If Measure R passes, how will the bankrupt CA pay for billion $$$?
\_ Isn't that an LA measure? Why would it bankrupt CA?
\_ I'm pretty sure Measure R is going to be funded by an increase
in sales tax which is controlled by the county. |
| 2008/10/28-30 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/California] UID:51710 Activity:nil |
10/27 More massive republican voter fraud
http://hamptonroads.com/2008/10/phony-flier-says-virginians-vote-different-days |
| 2008/10/27-30 [Politics/Domestic/California, Industry/Jobs] UID:51698 Activity:nil |
10/27 Tech layoff list
http://news.cnet.com/tech-layoffs/?tag=nl.e501
\_ Qimonda is laying off 3000 people? I have never even heard of these
guys before. The funniest thing is that two different companies
have contacted me via LinkedIn to see if I wanted to interview
for a VP job at their startup just in the last week or so.
\_ Qimonda is a German company. Is this supposed to be a world-wide
list of layoffs or something? |
| 2008/10/27 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic] UID:51695 Activity:nil |
10/27 Tech layoffs
http://news.cnet.com/tech-layoffs/?tag=nl.e501 |
| 2008/10/25-28 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/California/Arnold] UID:51684 Activity:nil |
10/25 Voted today down at the Alameda Registrar (courthouse between 13th
and 12th, on Oak in Oakland). Easy to do, highly recommended.
Exactly the same as filling out an Absentee Ballot. --erikred
\_ Can I do this on a sunday?
\_ Absolutely: http://www.acgov.org/rov/earlyvoting.htm
Saturday and Sunday: 10:00 am to 3:00 pm
\_ How do i do this in San Francisco?
\_ Civic center.
\_ More details on Early Voting on http://SFGate.com:
http://preview.tinyurl.com/55b4kx |
| 2008/10/25-28 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic] UID:51680 Activity:nil |
10/25 I embrace socialism and white women. Seriously.
\- you may wish to see: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1105762
\_ same here. I am young, hard working, and smart, yet I'm not
getting the same piece of piece as the older generation. Why?
Because capitalism IS NOT WORKING. I have nothing to lose
and everything to gain by voting for Socialism. Bring it on.
Young people of American, let's all vote for socialism NOW!!! |
| 2008/10/25-28 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:51678 Activity:nil |
10/25 REAL Vote fraud^H^H^H^H^Hintimidation, courtesy the New Mexico
GOP
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/10/is_new_mexico_gop_lawyer_hirin.php |
| 2008/10/23-27 [Reference/Religion, Politics/Domestic/California] UID:51650 Activity:nil |
10/23 Actually, Mormons contributing 77% of pro-prop 8 funds
http://www.advocate.com/news_detail_ektid64163.asp
\_ what would Jesus ban? -tom
\_ Apparently, someone felt it was important to censor
my comment that the Mormon church has taken up
the torch of intolerance. Truth hurts, eh? How about
trying to justify Mormons as being 'pro family'? You'd
be wrong, but at least you wouldn't be a censorfuck.
--PeterM
\_ Since this comment is still here, you were probably just
squished. Get over it. |
| 2008/10/23-28 [Politics/Domestic/California, Reference/Tax] UID:51646 Activity:nil |
10/23 House Dems want to remove 401K tax-break, and use proceeds for more
Social Secuirty.
http://www.workforce.com/section/00/article/25/83/58.php
\_ EXTERIOR: SPACE AROUND THE DEATH STAR.
The three TIE fighters move ever closer, closing in on Luke and
Biggs
The three TIE fighters move ever closer, closing in on Luke and Biggs
\_ What proceeds? It just means people will save less for retirement.
If I contribute $100/month now I will contribute $70/month then
(or whatever the math is) to make my take home about the same. |
| 2008/10/22-27 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Gay] UID:51636 Activity:nil |
10/22 Mormon church bankrolling pro-prop 8 effort
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122463078466356397.html |
| 2008/10/21-22 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51606 Activity:nil |
10/21 I think McCain's only going to win Alaska and Arizona
\_ REAL AMERICANS
\_ No, he'll get Texas too. I think it'll be 300 votes for
Obama, no more. Wouldn't put money on it though. --PM
\_ 380 -Liberal Elitist
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/obama_vs_mccain/?map=10
Plus add IN and WV.
\_ he's got Alaska, Arizona, Texas, Utah and New Hampshire LOCKED UP
\_ Palin is KICKING SERIOUS ASS in Nevada. That's gotta be
3 or 4 electoral votes right there. |
| 2008/10/21-22 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51601 Activity:kinda low |
10/21 why does Palin say things like 'my fellow alaskans were given
the opportunity to finally vote on the possibility of an amendment
to their constitution in this great state of Alaska!'? it drives
me crazy.
\_ You don't know that this is the first time that citizens of a state
in Russia can vote on the possibility of an amendment to their
constitution? Palin the Russian state governor knows that.
constitution? |
| 2008/10/20-22 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:51590 Activity:nil |
10/20 GOP: Vote Fraud! Vote Fraud....Vote Fra....oh...errr....
quick, look over there!
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/10/rnc_on_new_mexico_voter_fraud.php |
| 2008/10/19-21 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:51581 Activity:low |
10/19 Real voter fraud by a serial fraudster:
link:www.mercurynews.com/ci_10762949
\_ But child molester haters SHOULD in fact get 2 votes! I mean,
what kind of American does not want to impose stiffer child
molester laws? Liberals?
\_ NAMBLA members. |
| 2008/10/17 [Politics/Domestic/California, Reference/Law/Court] UID:51556 Activity:moderate |
10/16 ACORN really is the biggest threat to democracy? Holy shit. Who
knew get out the vote drives were so dangerous.
\_ Uh, didn't know it was "the biggest". You might want to check out
the situation in Ohio though.
\_ "We need to know the full extent of Sen. Obama's
relationship with ACORN, who is now on the verge of maybe
perpetrating one of the greatest frauds in voter history in
this country, maybe destroying the fabric of democracy."
The fact the McCain is morally bankrupt enough to say this
in a debate is just... well.. wow.
\_ The GOP is playing a very dangerous game here, by threatening
violence if they lose. They could really end up in a very
big hole for a very long time if they follow through on that
threat.
\_ What, where the supreme court agreed that the voter
\_ What, where the supreme court unanimously agreed that the voter
\_ What, where the supreme court unanimously agreed that voter
disenfranchisment is not a valid campagin tactic? |
| 2008/10/16-20 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51549 Activity:nil |
10/15 Nope, no Republican Racism here!
http://www.pe.com/localnews/inland/stories/PE_News_Local_S_buck16.3d67d4a.html |
| 2008/10/16-20 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/911] UID:51544 Activity:nil |
10/16 Here we go...last gasp attempt to use FBI/DOJ to suppress the vote
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/237716.php
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/V/VOTER_FRAUD_FBI?SITE=ORROS&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT |
| 2008/10/15-17 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/SocialSecurity] UID:51539 Activity:nil |
10/15 What. The. Hell.
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D93R8IE00&show_article=1 |
| 2008/10/14-17 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/California] UID:51531 Activity:nil 80%like:51524 |
10/14 This is what election fraud looks like
http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2008/10/what-actual-election-fraud-looks-like.html |
| 2008/10/14 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/California] UID:51524 Activity:nil 80%like:51531 |
10/14 This is what election fraud looks like
\_ http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2008/10/what-actual-election-fraud-looks-like.html |
| 2008/10/14-16 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:51516 Activity:nil |
10/14 What are some of the safer CA muni bond fund you guys have?
Just researching right now into 1-5 year safe investments that
would hopefully beat CDs... |
| 2008/10/13-16 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:51508 Activity:nil |
10/13 I'm interested in buying CA bonds
http://buycaliforniabonds.com
What's a good broker to use? Etrade is not listed.
\_ Why? CA is likely to default.
\_ What the hell does this mean? Can American default?
\_ Yes. T-bills are now insured for the first time. CA is
marching towards bankruptcy. Every other state facing budget
shortfalls is cutting spending, except CA of course.
\_ ETrade sells CA bonds. I have bought them there many times. |
| 2008/10/13-16 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51505 Activity:nil |
10/13 Tom Foley's replacement has his own sex scandal
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=5997043&page=1 |
| 2008/10/11-15 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51475 Activity:low |
10/11 Hilarious Acorn slimey lawyer. What a dirtbag.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goTICiFQoeE
\_ Josh Marshall has the clearest explanation for all this, but
I'm sure it won't penetrate your tinfoil hat:
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/223436.php
\_ What it comes down to is the whole Acorn story is another
dangerous mistruth being spread by the McCain campaign.
McCain has proven over and over again he has no problem with
telling massive lies if he thinks it will help him.
\_ The gist is that Acorn pays unemployed and sometimes
even homeless people to collect signatures. This is
a dubious tactic, because the collectors have a huge
incentive to produce fake registration documents
in return for cold cash. This is is why the Democratic
party doesn't associate with Acorn. However, it's
not a sign of a nefarious plot of any kind, and in fact
there has never been a documented instance of anyone
trying to *use* these fake registrations. If you
register as a member of the Dallas Cowboys or
Mickey Mouse, you're not going to be able to vote.
Vote fraud occurs only if you *try* to make an
illegal *vote*. Acorn in fact reported a lot of the
fake registrations *themselves*. The fact is that
the right is trying to make a huge deal out of this
because they know they're going to lose and they
want to deligitamize the results. A coordinated vote
fraud effort of the sort suggested by the right is
a tinfoil hat fantasy that would be next to impossible
to pull off, and years of investigations by Bush
justice department officials have never turned up
anything.
\_ We need to find a way to turn right wing nutjob paniced desperation
into energy. It could get us off foreign oil in days. How do you
fall for this premptive THEY STOLE THE ELECTION bullshit? Are you
that stupid? Here's a hint. Every voter registration drive
gets bullshit registrations. That's why they are looked over
by the state. Acron does flag some as pretty obvious fakes but
STILL HAVE TO SUBMIT THEM. You are not allowed to collect
voter registrations and then throw some of them out. Otherwise
you would have sleazy registration drives where people who
"register" people and then decide "hey all these registrations
for the party I don't like, I think they are 'invalid'". (Although
that's more of a Republican tactic, consdidering the Republican
party seems to think legal disenfrancisment of legitimate minorty
voters an acceptable tactic.)
\_ What made me laugh about this guy is how he'd complain about
anyone interrupting, but constantly interrupted Fund. And
whenever he was factually called on issues (by the Dem official
in NV for instance) he's just spin and divert. Slimey lawyer.
Acorn is in trouble, seeing as it's being investigated in 12
states, and this guy isn't helping. -op
\_ Investigated by an administration that has turned the
justice department into a political tool. Investigated
by an adminstration the illegally fired federal prosecutors
who told them they weren't going to proscecute bogus voter
fraud cases. Investigated by an adminstration whose party
has tried time and time to illegally disenfrancise minority
voters purely because they tend to vote for the other party.
People who worry about a vast brown person voter fraud
army are one step below Ron Paul supporters. Then again,
you do watch Fox and Friends and think it is legit news.
\_ Actually, no I don't. But nice conspiracy theory there,
speaking of tinfoil hats. -op
\_ Then why did you post a Fox and Friends clip as if
was legit?
\_ Uh, the conversation took place, no?
\_ When did you stop beating your wife? |
| 2008/10/10-15 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51466 Activity:nil |
10/9 The gist of the ACORN story
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/223436.php
\_ Do you think the Wingers are trying to whip their crowd into
violence?
\_ http://www.city-journal.org/2008/eon1009jl.html |
| 2008/10/9-15 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:51461 Activity:high |
10/9 If I were STILL in equities now (let's say a relative said FUCK-O,
YOU WERE RIGHT! and gave me control of his account), I would liquidate
50% at the bell, and liquidate the rest of the 50% on any bounce over
the next month.
The bounce I am looking for is Treasury participating in the LEH CDS
auction Friday or announcing imminent injection of capital into a
couple willing banks, or most likely, some international agreement over
the weekend.
\_ All you Chicken Littles are beyond ridiculous. There is no
fundamental reason for a broad selloff right now. It's just FUD.
Buy when the market is fearful.
\_ the market has been calmly selling off on fundamentals. I don't
think real panic selling has set in.
\_ I had a good day today buying MS, GE, and GS near the lows.
What about you?
\_ expecting a bounce with some international agreement over
the weekend -op
\_ Already doubled my MS price. Today was a good day.
\_ Very nice. Are you going to dump it soon?
\_ In @ 7.78, Out @ 18.00
\_ "Stocks have finished their worst week ever with an eighth
straight day of losses." You don't think that history making
losses have anything to do with panic selling?
\_ all right, some people are selling in a panic. but my
thesis is: you haven't seen real panic selling yet, and
you just might. Regardless, you will still see a
continuing sell-off on fundamentals over time.
\_ Any idea why PCG (PG&E) fell 10% today?
\_ At one point it was down 20%.
\_ Or why CA Munis paying 6% tax free fell 5% today?
\_ CA is bankrupt so I understand that one.
\_ No, that is not why they dropped so far on one
day. I actually think I do know, and I was kind
of wondering if you have figured it out, too.
Assuming that you are the same LEH CDS guy who
has been calling (correctly, so far) for everyone
to pull out. I think we are overdue for a severe
correction.
to pull out of the market.
\_ No idea why. Do tell.
\_ I think this is due to hedge fund margin
calls. They are selling the only good
assets they have on their books.
\_ Selling at the bell would have been a bad strategy today. What we
are seeing is called "flushing out the weak hands."
\_ yep, I was thinking a better idea was to sell into an end of day
rally, but the idea was that I would have 50% more to get rid of
on a larger multi-week rally. -op |
| 2008/10/9 [Politics/Domestic/California, Recreation/Food] UID:51455 Activity:high |
10/9 What's the point of treating animals nicely and then kill them
for consumption at the end?
\_ Because some people care about not causing suffering. Just
because they are going to be food doesn't mean they need to
live painful, miserable lives until then.
\_ So how is the new CA prop going to affect prices at
Ruth's Chris? -animal lover. yummy
\_ I don't know about this prop myself. I generally figure
chicken farmers know more about chickens than I do. The
guy I talked to said that chickes seem to prefer
individual smallish cages, there's no fighting for one thing.
I'm not sure how small you can go before it's too small though.
I've noticed that animal right's types tend to over
anthropromorphize animals. I haven't fully read the prop yet
either though.
\_ I don't know how I'm voting on 2 (I suspect I'm going to
vote no on the hate initiatives that are made feel good
vote no on the hate initiatives that are made to feel good
platform.) But I do understand giving a shit about how
food animals are raised.
\_ Nicely raised animals probably yeild more/higher quality meat b/c
they get sufficient nourishment and can better fight off diseases.
But on a purely philosophical level, there is no point. -vegetarian
\_ Animals that are stressed do not yield high quality products.
Kobe beef get a lot of special care and look at the prices
versus the poor cows made to wallow in their own shit. The Kobe
beef has a lot of marbling that other beef does not. If you've
ever raised animals you'd know that you need to take care of
them or else you will get sick, stressed animals. Maybe you
want to eat sick animals which are then pumped full of
antibiotics to 'heal' them but I don't.
\_ People die too eventually -- why treat them nicely?
\_ I didn't know there are cannibals on soda. -- !OP
\_ Why does it make a difference whether you eat the dead
thing or not? |
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