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| 2001/8/22-24 [Politics/Domestic/California, Industry/Startup] UID:22207 Activity:moderate |
8/21 what's the correct agency to contact when a person/company
wont pay me for work done?
\_ The Board of Shait Cunts.
\_ California State Labor Board.
\_ How much money is it? If its enough and the company is
big enough you should threaten to sue. You can probably
work out a good settlement, perhaps for more $s than
just back pay if you get the media involved.
\_ Threaten to sue or bring the subject up with the State Labor
Board. If you take it to the Labor Board, it will take time
to get your money, but the company will be forced to show
their pay records of all employees affected by California
state taxes. This is NOT an idle threat. Be sure you ARE
right, otherwise the company can countersue for harrassment.
\_ why don't you tell us fellow sodans which person/company is it?
\_ send the Soda Brotherhood after them
\_ There is no secret cabal of daves. |
| 2001/8/18 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:22167 Activity:nil |
8/18 Waaaa, waaa, waaa. Its all Bush's (and Texas') fault.
http://www.FreeRepublic.com/forum/a3b7dc6a54935.htm |
| 2001/8/17-19 [Politics/Domestic/California, Reference/BayArea] UID:22147 Activity:kinda low |
8/16 I need a few grams of magnesium. Are there any chemical supply
stores in Berkeley? -mjm
\_ Alfa Aeser: http://www.alfa.com they will send you what you need fast.
\_ Get a cheap Cube case on ebay.
http://simson.net/photos/hacks/cubefire.html
\_ Making your next bomb? |
| 2001/8/15-16 [Politics/Domestic/California, Recreation/Dating] UID:22129 Activity:very high |
8/15 I'm curious about alimony and child support. In general how long
does one pay these things? I assume child support is up until the
kid(s) are 18? As for alimony? You don't pay that for the rest of
your life do you? BDG? Do you care to comment? Thanks.
\_ The comments posted below are true, provided you get a hearing
in a court where the judge is interested in justice rather than
promoting her communist lesbian feminazi agenda despite knowing
that your ex-wife is a lying cheating heartless slut.
In some states you can get stuck paying for a long time, until
she gets married to some other poor dumb slob.
And she will her quit her job before submitting the paperwork
for a divorce so she can claim in court that you are her only
source of income thus get a bigger and longer settlement. She
will also add on charges of physical and mental abuse along
with stories of your philandering in order to get more of your
stuff, including assets which belonged to you before you two
were married.
Take my adivce, don't get married. If you do get married, get
a prenup and make a good solid trust before you get married.
And *WHEN* you get divorced, make sure who hire a better lawyer
than she does. It doesn't matter that he costs $500/hr, its
much cheaper than paying her way for the rest of your life.
\_ He's back with us! Don't stay away so long next time!
-- BDG #1 fan
\_ Is BDG one person, or a set like-minded individuals?
\_ I posted the other day, but I toned down the message
so you might have missed it.
\_ It depends on the state. In California, alimony is extremely
rare; CA is a community property state, which means that any
property acquired after the beginning of the marriage is owned
50% by each party, and will be split that way after the divorce.
Alimony only comes into play if one partner, for example,
never had a career because she stayed home to take care of the
kids. Child support is negotiable, sometimes includes college,
doesn't have to. (Are you going to delete this, too, paolo?) -tom
\_ tom, quit trolling me... 'nuff said, i leave you all to
your "discussion." - paolo
\_ Paolo are you "flaming" tom again?
\_ My buddy got nailed with 12 months of alimony, 15 years
of child support (ok, the latter was not 'nailed with').
\_ Alimony is actually not rare in California, and does not have
to do only with the reasons that Tom suggests. In general,
a "standard of living" is created during a marriage. If,
after a divorce, one party will be living at substantially
below the married standard of living than alimony may be
appropriate. For short term marriages (less than 10 years),
alimony generally has a maximum length of 50% of the time
span of the marriage, so if your buddy had a 2-year marriage,
1 year of alimony was extremely appropriate, according to the
law. If his marriage was longer, he got off easy.
Knowledge is always a solution to ignorance. Go read
"How to Do Your Own Divorce in California" by Nolo Press.
Cody's has copies. --Phillip "Edward" Nunez
\_ Heeeeey -- is Bitter Divorced Guy your alter ego???
\- so is alimony level "renegotiated" if the paying party
is laid off from $100,000+ job -> unemplyment? How about if
he/she quits? ok tnx --psb
\_ my dad was forced to go back to work after being
laid off from AT+T. (He's now at SAP). -tom |
| 2001/7/24 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Crime, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:21930 Activity:nil |
7/23 Is it just me or does the photo of GW Bush at http://latimes.com have him resembling a chimpanzee? \_ Hey, chimps are good. They are the intellectuals and scientists. Watch out for those Gorillas though. (hint, Charleton Heston and Apes) |
| 2001/7/20 [Politics/Domestic/California, Science/GlobalWarming] UID:21872 Activity:nil |
6/21 again notice how no one is talking about power situation in Ca
Any more. All those evergy guys run models based on expected
growth occuring and all the new construction being filled- ie all
those nice brand new building in the bay area- empty..... thus
they aren't sucking any power. Thus no energy crisis. Add to
that reduction in power through conservation and no crisis. Note
that there is only like a 1-2% shortfall. This is easy to solve
by just turning off some lights- raising the temp but a degree.
simple conservation techniques. But then again- I could be wrong-
but since no one talks about the details how would I even know
But the fucking media just doesn't talk about it- They only talk
crisis and no analysis and it really pisses me off. The analysis
and commentary is what is interesting and you just don't get that
through media- That is why I like watching sports- the
"commentary" is good. or at least better than anything else. Now
obviously some media includes commentary but it is like tageted
on whats in the news and not on what is NOT in the news. This
world is so damn complex and so large with so much going on- yet
for some reason the only thing that is important is 2 words "tech
meltdown" or even more general "recession" |
| 2001/7/18 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics] UID:21837 Activity:very high |
7/17 Which of the current issues do you think will be UC's biggest
reason for their downfall? 1) Creating UC Merced, 2) Abolishing
the SAT, 3) Allowing them to consider race in admissions, or 4)
Automatically accepting the top 4% of high school students?
\_ Blatantly loaded question. First present a definition of "downfall"
and hard evidence that the UC is undergoing "downfall"
\_ 3 and 4.
\_ True, it's loaded, and true there's no hard evidence I can give
to prove it. But a hand-wavey explanation would be that
the prestige of the UC system is going down, especially Cal's.
Especially wrt Cal, they are riding on the high laurels that
they used to have. Next, looking at Cal graduates (from ugrad
and grad), they aren't as successfull/productive as those from
other schools. Next, look at the intelligence (or whatever
you wanna call it) of incoming students. Half are getting
smarter (due to a more selective admissions process) and the
other half are even dumber than before (due to automatic
admissions, and most of all, our favorite: affirmative action).
That latter half will help bring UC down even more.
\_ gee, Cal managed to get along with affirmative action for 30
years...was it "riding on high laurels" then? (Whatever that
means). -tom
\_ lameness. why don't you realize this. Cal sucks
for different things. if you like people to hire
for a cube farm who will work hard and never complain
until they get strokes from overwork, then cal's great.
But if you want leaders and people who will inovate
and come up with new ways of thinking, then look
elsewhere. I'm not even sure cal grad school has it.
\_ That's when it was making an effort providing
high-quality professors (i.e. people who could do
research AND teach; you don't find the teaching
component part of the criteria anymore,
unfortunately), recruiting high-quality students,
and not let the bullshit politics and political
correctness interfere with its mission. So, despite
the affirmative action, it was successfull enough
in the other areas.
\_ really, what evidence do you have that teaching
isn't part of recruitment criteria? I'm sure that the
L&S Deans would be very surprised to hear that, seeing
as how they're the ones actually doing the faculty
searches. Oh wait, you're just an anonymous cowardly
troll with no real point. Sorry I said anything. -tom
\_ a friend of mine applied for a fulltime faculty
position on the math department. he was working
as soft-money part time faculty, and he told me
all the department wanted was a list of publications
and research qualifications, and did not even ask
about teaching. perhaps the math department
is worse than most cal departments, though.
\_ Tom's right (throughout this thread), here are some
URLs to support him; you come up with some evidence
that contradicts below, THEN we'll have a argument.
http://www.berkeley.edu/about/honors
http://uga.berkeley.edu/sled/dta.html
\_ Anonymity is irrelevant here. So...how do I
know teaching isn't part of the recruitment
criteria? Tell me you aren't that oblivious.
Haven't you taken a course at Cal? Don't you
see firsthand the quality of the "teaching"?
So tell your L&S deans to do a better job, if
you wanna keep playing that card. And...no
need to apologize for saying anything.
\_ Translation: "Cal was DAMN GOOD right up until I graduated.
(Just like *me*!) Then it all started going to hell. Kids
these days . . . "
\_ Nah, it was already on the downhill while I was
there. But now it's gonna plummet now, due to reasons
1-4 from above, though. That stuff DID happen after
I graduated.
\_ Cal engineering will be fine. There are a lot of
poor bright people like me who prefer going to
public school because its cheaper which allows us
to graduate without being saddled with debt.
\_ It has nothing to do with race. When I was in L&S CS, most of
the students were oppurtunists who cheated on tests and did
the minimum to get by. And most of these people were Asians.
I'd say it has more to do with people who are unable to enjoy
learning. And BTW, I'm also Asian who made it out with a 3.5
so it's not a jealously thing.
\_ You graduated from L&S with only a 3.5? Damn you must have
been slacking off. There is no excuse for graduating from
L&S with under 3.8 since there is no real course work
(except if you were math or physics, which you weren't).
\_ I did REALLY bad freshman year.
\_ The issue is that these people, myself included, didn't go to
college "to learn." They go because you need it to get the big
bucks. But really they just want to have fun and don't
particularly give a shit about Scheme or n-channel mosfets
or the OSI reference model. I liked learning about history.
There's an inherent problem with my knowing history though:
it's not particularly useful to ANYONE ELSE WHO WILL PAY ME.
\_ I'll bet alot of history majors are making double your
salary. |
| 2001/7/10-11 [Politics/Domestic/California, Health/Men] UID:21757 Activity:very high |
7/10 Men become obsolete:
http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010710/hl/sperm_1.html
\_ did a woman post this?
\_ remember that women outnumber men. Therefore, they have
"majority".
Prepare for all men to now be voted into ghettos in the US.
\_ Women won't take over the world. Dolphins will. Either
that or a couple of lab rats.
\_ My vote is for the cockroach.
\_ The rights of the one outweigh the rights of the many
in this country. Thank god we are not a democracy.
\_ I knew the 19th Amendment was a bad idea
\_ After that, in the first election women get to vote, they
help elect arguably the worst president of all time - Warren
G Harding, who had the first cabinet officer convicted of
a felony while in office. Poll after poll rate him as the worst
\_ Gimme a fuckin' break. I'm so sick of hearing about men
acting like a bunch of whiny victims.
\_ Excuse me woman? That's because you and your race
have made it all but a felony to even look at a girl
improperly. So stop YOUR whining; we gave you what you
wanted.
\_ Women complain when we look at them, but they complain
even more when we don't look at them.
\_ http://www.kirbyinwood.com
and that's another warning!
\_ where is /etc/motd.authenticated?
\_ In my pants. -geordan
\_ Ah. No wonder no one can find it.
\_ Well, pull it out and share. Stop sitting on it. |
| 2001/7/5-6 [Politics/Domestic/California, Computer/SW/Security] UID:21720 Activity:nil |
7/5 http://www.securityfocus.com/templates/article.html?id=221 \_ Computer security consultant and confessed cyber intruder Max Butler will serve out his 18-month prison term at the privately-run Taft Correctional Institution in central California, sources say. |
| 2001/6/19 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:21581 Activity:nil |
6/19 California companies cannot make california full-time employees take
time off. They can't "force vacation".
\_ That's fine. Employees can have a choice: time off or layoff
With this economy, most employees really don't have a choice. |
| 2001/6/17-18 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Immigration] UID:21553 Activity:insanely high |
6/17 If you're concerned about competing for jobs with H1B visa
recipients, consider writing your Congresspeople and president.
The economy sucks right now and companies are hiring H1B people
instead of recent grads or recent layoff-ees.
\_ Actually, most high-tech companies just plain aren't
hiring anyone right now. Plenty of openings in fast-food
& retail though, and they can't hire H1-B's.
You can find addresses for some senators/congressmen/president in
~peterm/Addresses. Get your friends to write, too. --PeterM
\_ I didn't have you pegged as a xenophobe, peterm. -tom
\_ I deny being xenophobic. The rationalization for H1Bs
was always that companies couldn't fill positions.
I know plenty of people who can't find jobs now.
The time for H1B's has ended, for now. I'm happy to
have them all back when the economy improves. Also,
I have no objection to IMMIGRATION. But this half-assed
H1B serfdom is perverting the market.--PeterM
\_ This is a logical fallacy: "X is a better solution,
so we should oppose Y." I don't see you writing letters to
congresspeople telling them to relax immigration laws, and
it's highly unlikely in the current political climate that
immigration laws will change at all. So getting rid of
H1B's is equivalent to "getting rid of those damn furriners
who are taking 'our' jobs", as if we have more of a right
to those jobs because of where we were born. Do you buy
anything electronic? Ride a Taiwanese bike? "American"
jobs have been farmed out to furriners who will work for
less for many years. Now that it's happening (on a very
small scale) to rich white guys, it's suddenly a problem.
Boo fuckin' hoo. -tom
\_ Wow, I agree with tom, for once. Open borders, all the way.
\_ I drive a japanese car. Open borders all the way.
\_ Yes let's just distribute everything equally to everyone in
the world! Why should I have more than the overcrowded
destitute multitudes! We should all live like that! Think
how efficient it will be having dense cities of hard workers
with mass transit and solar panels and windmills on all the
roofs! Ah, it brings a tear to my eye. Viva la revalucion!
\_ who said anything about distribution? we're talking
about letting your vaunted free market decide who
gets the money. Oh I forgot, you only like the free
market when it benefits rich white males. -tom
\_ "why are you bashing white males like everyone else,
tom? it it because it's the right thing to do?"
"no, but it's quicker...easier...more seductive
if that's the question. -tom
than coming up with a real answer"
\_ uh, a real answer to what? -tom
\_ It's pretty easy to work at a University job and say being
against H1B Visa's is an example of xenophobia. Try
competing in the open market where you are up against H1B
people who claim to be able to do your job for 1/3 the pay
\_ Immigration is very necessary to a strong economy. For
and see how pro H1B you end up being. The result is that
the market gets flooded, wages go down, and you've turned
California into the traffic congested, out of energy mess
it is today. -ax
\_ It's trivial to compete if you are smart. Are you smart, ax?
\_ It's easy to sit around in a job with artifically high
wages created by an artificially constrained supply of
workers and then complain when the party's over. -tom
\_ Are you prepared to give up your Cal job to an H1B
Visa holder who will do it for less money than you and put
your money where your mouth is? -ax
\_ I don't feel I have anything to fear from H1B visa holders,
which is the relevant question. -tom
\_ let me get this straight. are you seriously blaming
immigrants for the energy crisis in california?
\_ 25% of the people in California are not citizens.
We're about 25% short on power. See an easy solution
to this math problem? The population of the US
only grows because of immigration. -ax
\_ Immigration is very necessary for a strong economy. For
example, the Japanese have priced themselves out of
many job markets, but they refuse to allow Koreans
and others willing to work those jobs into Japan. The
end result is that the Japanese economy is stagnant
even though the net worth of an average Japanese is
$450,000. --dim
\_ and the US, specifically, is forecast to have
growing need for immigrant labor for precisely
this reason. Guess ax will just stop eating
grapes. -tom
\_ I'm sure a lot of those non-citizens are illegal immigrants
from places like Mexico. How much electricity do you think
they use? Electricity use is not evenly distributed among
the populace. Let's not forget that a lot of the power
consumption is from businesses (server farms, etc.).
\_ If a company is dumb enough to hire someone less qualified
(and believe me, there are a lot) then they should have the
right to. But I don't think being an H1Ber has any bearing
on your qualifications (or your lack thereof) or your likely-
hood of being hired. Actually, you're probably less likely
because managers would rather not go through the hassle of
dealing with an H1B applicant. As for my experience, I had
to work with 2 NCGs, one of which had an H1B. I found the
\_ ??
\_ new college graduate. -tom
American citizen utterly incompetent but the guy on H1B to
be qualified.
\_ from a companies point of view, H1B's can be good -- they tend
to get locked to a company 3-6 years at a time.
Also, do you have more objective proof of some of the annecdotes
you offer?
\_ Of course it is good for companies. Wouldn't you want
an employee you could underpay, overwork, and have thrown
\_ Shut up, Paolo.
out of the country for any reason whatsover?
\_ PeterM, immigrants are essential to the U.S. economy. Without
the cheap Indian and Chinese workers the hi-tech industry wouldn't
have boomed the way before. Also without the cheap Mexican and
negros you'd have to pay $10 per nugget. Immigrants are good.
\_ If that argument were true, the economy would be booming beyond
belief now since we have more cheap labor than ever. -ax
\_ You are right. We needed the foreign labor then. Now,
we don't, and citizens have to compete with non-citizens
who cannot compete fairly in the job market because they
are hindered by red tape. IF WE WANT FOREIGN WORKERS
MAKE THEM CITIZENS INSTEAD OF H1Bs. No more H1Bs. Either
FULL citizenship or GET THEM OUT. --PeterM
\_ what about green cards?
\_ Those with green cards don't have to have an employer to
stay in the country, right? Their bargaining position is
equal to a citizen's, then, and they won't pervert the
labor market, as much, or at all. --PeterM
\_ along similar lines, why not support labor laws
requiring businesses to pay H1Bs fair market wages?
just curious --erikred
\_ I wouldn't make a statement as strong as "FULL
citizenship or GET THEM OUT", but I would say that
if there are temporary work visas for foreigners, the
foreign workers should have the same privledges as
citizens/permanant residents. This would be more
fair to both citizens and to the foreign workers. In the
current law, the people who benefit are big corporations --
they can hire H1B applicants for less money and it is a
pain in the ass for H1B applicants to switch to a new
employeer. Both the citizens/prem. residents and H1B
holders get screwed in this deal.
\_ I say throw the illegal immigrants in vats of boiling oil
and tape it, then show the tape on HBO. This will send
a message to the rest of the world that we are bad-ass
mutha-fuckahs.
\_ They just upped the number of visas. By the time you get
congress to change the laws back, we'll start needing them
foreign workers again. Congress must think we are nuts out here
in California -- we WANT H1B's, we DO NOT WANT H1B's. we WANT,
we DO NOT WANT...Make up your friggin mind. In good or bad economy
the labor arguments: "H1B serfdom is perverting the market"
(peter M) still apply, so why now? friggin idiots you should have
thought about this before you let them up it in the first place.
\_ Hey, I have always been against HB1B visas and have even
gotten friends of mine to write stories in the Examiner
and Chronicle outlining the dangers (this was years ago,
btw, way before the bubble popped). It is easy to mouth off
on the motd, but a bit harder to actually go out and do
something about it. Now that the cat it out of the bag,
so to speak, I think we have an obligation to give full
citizenship to the HB1B visa holders (and the inevitable
25 relatives they will want to bring over). But I still
think we should cut off the indentured servitude program. -ausman
\_ Give me concrete proof that companies are hiring more H1B visa
holders right now -- my experience is that most companies are
passing over candidates with H1Bs and favoring either green
card holders or citizens in this current market. Most of the hiring
managers I run into don't want to wait for any sort of visa
processing and feel they can find someone immediately available
under the current job market conditions. --chris
\- you know this is pretty interesting to read. i think it is a
good example of moral reasoning not coming from intuition. --psb
\- i fwd this to my liberal indian activist friends. they
will soon be picketing sloda now they are done with that
pederast reddy. well at least you guys will be able to check
out some hot indian women. tom might even get some for leading
the good fight. ok tnx. --psb
\_ I've "got some," tnx. -tom
\_ Your liberal indian friends need to be shipped back to
India, where the victory of socialism has already been
achieved. They will have nothing to picket there, they
ll just slowly starve to death. |
| 2001/6/16 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:21540 Activity:very high |
6/15 Those European bastards are getting uppity:
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/0,,3-2001201087,00.html
\_ D00D, 7H47'5 B3K4UWZ 3UR0P34N5 R 3V1L C0MM13 L1B3R4L5.
\_ I know that you are being sarcastic, but europe is
pretty socialistic and state orientied. The people
there tend to vote themselves onto the dole as
frequently as possible and they like to limit freedoms
and the abilities of oridinary people to achieve
as much as thier abilities allow.
\_ Nobody votes to limit their own rights. The
argument that Europeans are naturally stupider than
Americans won't hold up. What motivation would
anyone have to vote to limit their own unalianable
rights? Nothing. The only reason anyone would vote
to strip common people of their rights would be if
we had an oligarchy or some sort of Orwellian state
where it serves the leaders to limit natural freedoms.
Again, Europeans are dumber than Americans isn't a
valid argument.
\_ europe is fucking lame. they just suck eggs over
there. bunch of stupid gay wankers
\_ Couldn't have said it better myself.
\_ GO TO TEXAS!
\_ Bush is just helping further the stereotype that Americans
are arrogant pricks.
\_ Bush and Chenny have been the greatest thing to happen to
American television since Pinky and the Brain.
George: "Gee Dick, what are we going to do tomorrow night?"
Dick: "Same thing we do every night, George. Try to take
over the world!"
\_ Oh yeah, just because Americans don't want to be a cash cow
for the rest of the world...
\_ Bush is doing a great job in my opinion. Can't wait to
vote for him in 2004.
\_ We *are* arrogant pricks, see.
\_ We are not arrogant pricks, the rest of the world
is jealous of our freedom and prosperity and they
want to drag us down to thier level.
\_ He's not taking a hard enough line in most cases,
but, I'll vote for him again. |
| 2001/6/12 [Politics/Domestic/California, Recreation/Travel] UID:21484 Activity:very high |
6/11 So my company had originally notified us that it was shutting down for
July 5th and 6th, but they just were told that forcing exempt workers
to take vacation days was illegal in the state of California. So my
question is how do other companies shutdown for that week, and also in
December? Hasn't anybody challenged this? Man, sometimes I really
love this commie state and all of it's great laws concerning wages.
\_ Yeah, it sucks when companies can't decide not to pay you
whenever they want.
\_ Say what? You love this commie state and all of _it_is_ great laws?
Anyway, are you sure about this being illegal in California? If so,
cool! I can raise hell here..., again.... --ricky
\_ uh, your honor, i read on the motd that this was illegal,
and everything I read on the motd is true!
\_ If it was scheduled company holidays instead of personal vacation
days, it should be fine.
\_ My company, which shall remain nameless for now, is shutting down
for the whole July 4th week. If an employee does not have 4 days
of vacation time to use during that week, that employee will NOT
be paid for that week except for the 4th, which is a company
holiday. How's THAT for a bad policy? New workers only get 10
days of vacation per year and they're forcing you to use 4 of
those on July 4th week. They'll probably force you to use some
more during xmas time.
BTW, I can't find any confirmation of this state law. Does
anyone have a proof? --ricky
\_ McNealy is da' man!
\_ I don't work for Sun. I work for Compaq. (I usually say
Digital, but in this case, I'll say Compaq.) --ricky
\_ That wasn't hard to figure out. All you had to do
was look at your wtmp records.
\_ Oops, well, Sun's doing it too.
\_ Sun gives new workers 11 days per year (not 10).
Also, if you dont have enuf vacation, they they
will make accomodations. You still get paid. But,
don't know if any of this forced vacation is legal...
but I know layoffs are legal.
\_ They are not "forcing you to use vacation". They're just
saying they wont pay you for those days. Technically, there's
a difference.
On the other hand, for "salaried employees", this sounds
rather hokie |
| 2001/6/12 [Politics/Domestic/Crime, Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:21481 Activity:high |
6/11 http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/felkins1.html now you know why Chaney was forced to sell his shares in Halliburton. http://biz.yahoo.com/t/41/2631.html Ahh will you look at that: Chaney is a director of EDS... and where has EDS been getting all their money from......(EDS got like a 5 billion contract with the navy to upgrade their whole IT systems.) I got pissed off at Verizon when I was ready up on them- GTE ( now Verizon ) sold their government systems group to "lockheed" ( not sure if it was lockeed ) and DYncorp. . Dyncorp is a shit hot company when it comes to govn sub contracts which probably no one has ever heard of. \_ God damn conservatives! I am so mad at them!!11! \_ Duh... virtually every politician profits from their influence. \_ this may be true, but most people, as in the VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, are not so blatant about it. I don't condone it, but since you are such a through investigator, why don't you look into why Clinton moved technology export and licensing from the State Department to the Commerce Department. All the while John Huang, who was subsequently convicted of of funneling campaign contributions from the People's Republic of China to the DNC, worked there. Clinton took this behavoir to an all time low and sold out the country at the same time. Why is there outrage from liberals about corrupt government, yet, the first chance they get they vote to raise taxes. Bizarre! At least conservatives are for smaller government. I'll take the lesser of two evils any day. \_ i don't think it was a repub vs. democrat thing, it just sounds more like a "what is going on here (currently) post?" \_ your attempts at bipartisan strawmen serve your tri-lateral is this like from the kama sutra? _/ council masters well. Bravo. Brown and Root - heard of them-- they did the whole logistics support operation in Bosnia: ( $2 Billion http://www.dtic.mil/bosnia/army/arnews/16.html ), FYI, I'm a republican - orig poster. I just want to make sense of who the big shakers are. (i already know it ain't no ".com") \_ Thanks tjb. Now please go back to the crack pipe. |
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| 2001/6/10-11 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:21466 Activity:low |
6/9 I had posted earlier about the CA State Tax board not cashing my
check after two weeks and me being worried. They just cashed it last
week. My mom's accountant told me they can take up to 6 weeks to cash
your check. Just FYI.
\_ I wish I was that lucky. Thanks for the FYI. |
| 2001/6/5 [Politics/Domestic/California, Academia/Berkeley/Classes, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Kinney] UID:21431 Activity:nil |
6/5 What happened to AmIHotOrNot?
\_ they changed the name to http://hotornot.com for marketing purposes
\_ who is this person?
Administrative Contact:
Eightdays,Inc
James Hong
229 Heartwood Lane
Mountain View, CA 94041
\_ That would be James Hong, who lives in Mountain View.
Really, what kind of answer are you expecting? --Galen
\_ That would also be jhong@{csua,hkn}, Cal EECS class of '95,
one of the two founders of the company (other one being
jimy@hkn, Cal EECS '94). What kind of answer are you expecting?
\_ duh. - kinney
\_ If we ignore you, will you go away? -- kinney #1 fan
\_ no, i'm bored and waiting for grad school to start in USC. |
| 2001/5/26-28 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Immigration] UID:21367 Activity:insanely high |
5/25 Russia introduced a flat tax of 13% last year. Am I the only one who
finds that ironic? (Tax revenue was up 70% this year, btw).
\_ Why is this ironic? Econ 1A.
\_ It's ironic because the former bastion of communism has learned
the lessons of capitalism better than the United States has.
\_ your argument will/would make more sense when and
if Russia becomes a place human beings actually
enjoy living in. Do you read the newspaper?
Russia is a lawless hellhole. The United States
is not (yet).
\_ RUSSIA IS AN EVIL COMMIE LIBERAL COUNTRY
\_ Russia was never a place suitable for the enjoyment of
human beings. It never will be. What's that got to do
with it? Are you trying to imply that the IRS is the
source of American prosperity? Surely, you jest.
\_ THE IRS IS AN EVIL COMMIE LIBERAL ORGANIZATION
\_ what funds the government? little fluffy
clouds?
\_ CLOUDS ARE EVIL COMMIE LIBERAL WATER VAPORS.
\_ You think the government is the source of American
prosperity? Who cares what funds the government?
The government is not what makes this country great.
The government only holds us back from being even
greater. Had some pork lately? Pay your taxes like
a good little boy and run along. Why do all you
lefties think the government is capable of improving
your life or anyone's life?
\_ GOVERNMENT IS AN EVIL COMMIE LIBERAL IDEA.
DOWN WITH AMERICAN GOVERNMENT!
\_ I haven't posted on this thread yet, but yes
I do think the government deserves a lot of
credit for our prosperity. I came to this
country as an immigrint with nothing. I was
able to attend excellent public schools from
grades 1-12 and then I received a scholarship
to the best public university in the world.
After graduating I was able to contribute
to a variety of companies some of which are
doing quite well. Now I am in graduate school
supported by a fellowship. A good deal of
our country's success in technology can be
traced to government programs like education
which take people like me who would otherwise
be flipping burgers due to lack of education
and turns them into scientists and engineers.
Although I would obviously prefer to pay less
taxes, I am happy to pay my taxes every year
because I'm grateful for the benefits I've
received.
\_ PUBLIC SCHOOLS ARE EVIL COMMIE LIBERAL
THINGS. BANNISH PUBLIC SCHOOLS! IMMIGRANTS
AND IMMIGRATION ARE EVIL COMMIE LIBERAL
THINGS. BAN BOTH OF THEM!
\_ Amen, brother.
\_ Glad you got a piece of what me and so many
others have had sucked from their wallets for
so many years. How much of my money goes
straight to welfare for the extended families
of immigrants who came here to do nothing with
themselves as opposed to the rare few who did
something useful such as yourself? How about
_this_ story? _Their_ taxes helped put _you_
through school. Be ashamed. And oh yeah...
"Amen, brother", but for them, not you.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/134299780_family27.html
\_ The American government has the ability
to enforce contracts and thus promotes much
legitimate commerce. This is because it has
a very strong judiciary and a credible
encforcement capacity. The Russian government
hasn't quite figured any of this out yet
and so is incapable of creating an environment
where people improve their own lives.
\_ INTERNATION RELATIONS ARE EVIL COMMIE
LIBERAL THINGS. FUCK INTERNATIONAL RELATIONS
\_ you are free to move to a nice place without
a legitimate government (or taxes)... like Angola.
\_ Nice strawman. Could you explain the correlation in
your mind between taking 50% of my income and freedom
as a citizen? Thank you.
\_ Who's taking 50% of your income?
\_ sure! what do you think supports all your freedoms
in america? harsh language? the good will of
the people? I really do think we enjoy more freedom
in america than in other countries with near
anarchy and no taxes. if you're trying to
argue that the progressive tax is wrong, that's
another argument, i will have to go do some reading.
\_ The government doesn't create freedom. The US
Constitution does by *limiting the powers of the
Federal Government*. The government, by it's very
nature restricts freedom. And yes, the progressive
tax is wrong. There's no reason to take a greater
percentage *and* a greater absolute amount from one
citizen and give it to another. I support sales and
usage taxes (such as bridge tolls) which is a system
where only those using the service pay the tax. I
am strongly opposed to any form of income tax. The
progressive income tax is only one step shy of a
total confiscatory "tax". I *really* don't like
hearing elected reps in federal government saying
"no one needs more than $X amount a year". That's
none of their god damned business. As if they'd
have a clue what a citizen needs anyway. Career
politicians know nothing about the people.
\_ When will people learn? Communism == mobilizing a nation's
economy through command-control pervasively controlling
every aspect of life, including thought and media (like
1984). Communism != tax. Communism is evil (at least to
Americans) because it violates the very principles of the
Bill of Rights but it has nothing to do with taxes.
\_ It seems like you might be confusing the philosophy with
an implementation of that philosophy....
\_ Communism is evil because communism is a slave system where
the government effectively owns the people. The tax rate
is meaningless when you're owned by the state.
\_ Nah. They just read some basic econ books. BTW, Feinstein
voted in favor of the miniscule Bush tax cut. |
| 2001/5/24 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:21347 Activity:very high |
5/24 Buh-bye Gray Davis! Don't forget to turn out the lights on your way
out! http://www.capitolalert.com/news/capalert04_20010524.html
\_ typical americans, blam everyone but themselves.
\_ I love this guy. He sits around quoting lines from "Die
Hard" about how much the US and its citizenry suck, but never
actually says what nation he's from. Personally, I think he
knows that the hypothetical 'superiority' of his nation is
based on the fact that he allows no one to actually scrutinize
it on the motd allowing him to make up whatever little fantasy
makes him happy. What a fucking coward.
\_ I am from Sweden. You have a problem with that?
\_ Hej-hej. Sweden's nice you know but it isn't perfect.
Its socialist policies have made it uncompetitive in
the global marketplace. I'm glad I don't live there
and lose most of my income to supporting lazy bums
who get free apartments and health care and child
support without having to do a thing to earn it.
(only some of it does).
\_ Hmm ... Is that why our Ericsson is kicking
your Lucent's arse in wireless infrastructure,
and our Finland bretherens' Nokia is kicking
your Motorola's arse in mobile phones?
\_ Maybe so. It depends on who you blame for not building more
(or any) power plants in CA in the last 10 years.
\_ Los Angeles is surviving this crisis just fine. Maybe
it's just a bay area thing. (bay area people being what they
are)
\_ You haven't seen the June bill, yet. Let us know in
mid-July how fun it was to pay that one.
\_ _City_ of Los Angeles runs it's own municipal utility,
LA Department of Water and Power. They generate a surplus
of electricity. Too bad we dont have one of those here.
\_ And how many times did the Bay Area and the rest of
California bail LA out of bankruptcy?
\_ I must've missed this one. --dim
\_ i'll write you a thank you card. right after i turn
up the A/C and the spa heater.
\_ We should cut off the Sierra water supply to these
ungrateful pigs!
\_ I blame the love of money.
\_ Sure. Ok. |
| 2001/5/23-24 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:21339 Activity:high |
5/23 Can someone recommend a cruise line or agent for cruises along the
California or west coastline that is trustworthy? I just don't know
which ones of the hundreds listed on Yahoo conduct honest business.
Thanks for any info.
-- Gay or straight ?
\_ Straight. With my wife.
\_ Swinging or Non-Swinging?
\_ Huh?
\_ http://www.scifi-cruises.com - if you and your wife are trekkies
\_Carnival Cruises was inexpensive and quite enjoyable. |
| 2001/5/16 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:21288 Activity:nil |
5/15 Unionization ruined our schools:
http://www.jewishworldreview.com/0501/bowles.html
\_ bs, as usual. some union doesn't dictate politics. people voted
down vouchers. people vote for the "corrupt polititians." if
those are problems the people are to blame. |
| 2001/5/15-16 [Politics/Domestic/California, Reference/Tax] UID:21281 Activity:kinda low |
5/15 How long does it tax for the CA State to cash my tax payment check?
It's been almost one month. The IRS cashed it in a week.
\_ You'd think Davis would want your money as fast as possible these
days.
\_ usually very fast like within a week. maybe your CA return
is lost in the mail.
\_ I mailed my CA forms on the 15th and the check was cached on the
24th.
24th. indeed _/ |
| 2001/5/12 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:21256 Activity:nil |
5/11 California is doomed:
http://www.latimes.com/business/reports/power/lat_risky010511.htm
Davis' power plan is based on hopes, guesses, and ideal estimates.
This is no way to run a state.
\_ But it's a great way to run a nation's budget.
\_ I love this. Beyond some hack writer's story, on what
evidence do you base this statement? Do you have some
method to make polisci and economics quantitative? Hell,
its half guesswork and half voodoo. If you have a better
plan , perhaps you should run for office.
\_ Is there *any* news source you would accept? When stuff from
conservative media sources are quoted the response is usually,
"That's just right wing propoganda. No one reads that!" When
it's a left wing media source like the LA Times, the response is
to attack the one particular random author. What little world
do you live in? And more importantly, have they stopped building
power plants? If not, I want to go there too.
\_ Uh, no. Someone intelligent can discern between and opinion
and a fact. Facts come out of reports like 10K reports or
official government pubilcations or if the news media
takes that data or wording from that publication and reports
it verbatim. But once a reporter starts to infer, it's no
longer a fact but an opinion.
\_ So things like quoting Davis as saying we'll have X much
more power by Y date (which isn't happening) and that
things like his business conservation program which only
has 2 companies signed up so far is just the reporter
making stuff up? Okey dokey!
\_ No, because despite having sound bites and quotes
from almost every other person involved, the reporter
never once quoted Davis himself. So in fact, the
article makes it appear as if Davis is using the
"we'll have X much more power by Y" argument
without actually reporting what he said.
\_ Yeah it's just the people who are supposed to be
implementing it who have no idea how it's going to
work and are quoted as saying so. Time to let it
go. The plan is fucked and playing word games about
who was quoted directly or indirectly in an article
won't save the State of California.
\_ The only solution to the problem is more supply == more
power plants. Unfortunately the dimwitted anti-progress
tree-huggers and no nukes alarmists won't allow that to
happen, because they secretly relish the fact that this
state will soon revert to the stone age, because that is
the highest level of technology they are capable of
understanding.
\_ wait, what about the demand side, dude?
\_ This was discussed yesterday. CA already has the greatest
conservation rate per capita in the nation. There's only
just so much more to be squeezed from that rock. No new
power plants have been built in 10+ years in CA as the
population and business usage grew. Think about that one.
\_ No, Hawaii and New York are at the top, not CA.
And you would expect New York to run the heaters
non-stop. And if you look at the distribution, the
numbers can go lower. In Los Angles, residents consume
an average of 5400kW hrs which is significantly
lower than the state's average (7700kW hrs).
\_ Yeah, the tree huggers should stop recharging thier
EV1's.
\_ Rocks can be used to assault others. We must eliminate rocks...
for the children!
\_ Laws of physics can be used to assault others. We must
eliminate laws of physics ... for the CHILDREN!
\_ Sky equipment kills people. We must attack the sky
equipment industry!
\_ Science has made us what we are! Science has made the guns,
the power shortage, the nukes, the traffic jams! We must
eliminate Science and trust God... for the children! Good
lord man, the fucking CHILDREN!
\_ This is problem. F*cking is what created
the children. We must eliminate f*cking! |
| 2001/5/10-11 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:21235 Activity:high |
5/10 I know this sounds like a troll, but seriously.... There's a sticker
on the gas pump at my local station that says, "This product contains
MTBE which is known to the State of California to cause environmental
harm". Ok, knew that. But the idea was supposed to be that we add
MTBE to protect the environment. But here we are with MTBE laden
fuel that costs more but doesn't protect anything. What gives? Is
there a real explanation for this? Why are we using MTBE?
\_ MTBE lowers hazzardous air emissions, but contaminates
ground water. EPA misadvised the Bush Sr. Administration
which signed off prematurely and corporate lobbies pushed MTBE
through before we knew the later facts about ground water
in detail.
\_ Ok, so what does MTBE do for the corporate lobbies? What do
they care? And why can't we dump it now that we know better?
\_ MTBE clean up for a gas station is extremely expensive.
\_ So they don't have to do any cleanup as long as they put
the stuff in the gas and continue poisoning the water
supply, but once they decide to stop ruining the water,
it suddenly becomes expensive?
\_ Cleanup is now required by state law.
\_ I read that MTBE can be substitued by ethanol. Eliminating
MTBE can mean either increase (if air standard is still
required) or decrease (if air standard is lowered) ethanol
demand. Ethanol is made from corn. Corn in US is politics.
-- yuen
\_ MTBE is a by-product of the refining process, so otherwise
the refineries would have to dispose of it. That's why they
want to keep selling it |
| 2001/5/7 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/California/Arnold] UID:21189 Activity:very high |
5/6 According to http://www.pge.com we're in a stage 1 power emergency. I didn't see anywhere that said if we're doing rolling blackouts today or not and which areas. Anyone got a URL? My power blipped out twice just now and it'd be nice to know. \_ rolling blackouts don't hit until stage 3. -tom \_ Rolling blackouts don't hit until you get a liberal fool in office. \_ the mad anonymous Republican troll strikes again! \_ Ok, now we're in stage 2. Anyone got a URL? \_ Check http://www.sfgate.com They usually have pretty good coverage on power blackouts. Second half of block 14 is next. \_ News releases from the CA ISO: http://www.caiso.com/newsroom/pw2000.html -- yuen \_ Turn off your monitors and lights when you leave your offices / labs / classrooms. Screensavers only save the screen, not electricity! \_ Actually, screens haven't needed saving for years now. We're far removed from the days of image burn-ins. \_ If you'd like to know, get on the email notification list. Sorry, cant remember if it's on http://pge.com or http://sfgate.com |
| 2001/4/28 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:21126 Activity:nil |
4/27 how did elections go? I know the outcome, but the vote tallies?
runoffs?
\_ we won
\_ Woohoo! |
| 2001/4/21-22 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:21047 Activity:very high |
4/20 "Indeed, if I understand this global-warming business correctly, the
danger is that the waters will rise and drown the whole of
Massachusetts, New York City, Long Island, the California coast and a
few big cities on the Great Lakes --- in other words, every Democratic
enclave will be wiped out leaving only the solid Republican heartland.
Politically speaking, for conservatives there's no downside to global
warming." --- Mark Steyn
\_ Stupid. It will just turn Indiana into New York, and there will
be no "heartland" left.
\_ But think of the children! Won't somebody please think of the
children!
\_ family values
\_ Its a joke. Get it a joke. Anyway, I think Global Warming will
be good. We need warmer weather. I hate wearing pants and shoes
and San Jose is soo far from the beach right now.
\_ And you think my answer is serious? Yes, I like warm
weather. It's cold where I am.
\_ and don't you hate pants?
\_ especially underpants.
\_ yeah, punk rock. now this thread is going
someplace.
\_ better thread topic: how about asian girls
who shave "down there", wear skirts and
no underwear.
who shave "down there", wear skirts and no
underwear.
\_ damn. now I'm all wet. |
| 2001/4/13 [Politics/Domestic/California, Reference/Tax] UID:20962 Activity:insanely high |
4/12 Are there any good links on the thing about the federally income tax
not being legal? My google search only got me a lot of yellow on red
background rants with LOTS of CAPS for EMPHASIS. I'd like to see
something a bit more scholarly than the typical conspiracy crap. on
the net. Thanks.
\_ Overseen on wall.log:
Boredcast Message from 'tom': Fri Apr 13 09:03:16 2001
it's not important that americans get a tax cut at all.
americans are severely undertaxed
\_ Tom! Say it ain't so!! I knew you were a big-gov't anti-gun
Fascist but this is TOO much. It must be lie; slander.
Perhaps you were on a bad trip. explainP -Formerly Tom Fan #11
\_ <DEAD>givemeliberty.org<DEAD>
\_ http://evans-legal.com/dan/tpfaq.html
\_ if only this guy started to refute motd claims as well
\_ Search on http://www.freerepublic.com
\_ Just pay your fucking taxes.. sheesh.
\_ I will pay my taxes (for now). But at least I know
that taxes are illegal and amount to extortion from
liberals who want to waste my money on crappy projects
that are completely worthless.
\_ who pays for the glorious american infrastructure
you are using RIGHT NOW?
\_ [ deleted ]
\_ Wow, this is the longest I've ever seen an
anti-liberal post go without being deleted/censored.
What gives? [restored. twice]
\_ tom must be idle. At lunch on his gub'mint
salary job.
\_ Typical motd "I don't want to think about anything" spewage.
Just what exactly is wrong with asking for a link about a
current event topic? Even if the stuff is totally bogus, some
people still find it interesting. More interesting than the
Yet Another Security Bug, "yermom", C++ weirdness, or small
penis links that get posted. "WAAH! It's outside the scope
of my little geek world! Don't think about it! Don't post on
it! I want to stay ignorant and boring!" |
| 2001/3/22 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:20876 Activity:high |
3/21 Suppose that someone proposed some "Vote For Yourself" initiative
by which whatever you vote for only applies to you. For example,
voters who vote for higher taxes get only _their_ taxes raised.
People who vote to eliminate gun ownership, can't own one. What
would be the legal problem with this? Possibly equal protection
under the law? Can it be structured differently to make it possible?
\_ I vote for the right to kill anyone I want. And you'll be the
first person on my list.
\_ It only applies to you. So you can kill yourself.
\_ Some laws need to be universal, because some rights are universal.
The trouble with politics is that people do not agree on what
universal rights are, if they did no division would exist. -- ilyas
\_ I vote that I become President.
\_ you morons are missing the point. I never said vote for
anything you want. Just that whatever you vote for
only applies to you. dumbshit.
\_ "applies only to you". You'd only be voting for the right
to kill yourself. Some find this right more important than
others based on personal circumstances. I say "go for it!"
I fully support your right to kill yourself.
\_ Aside from legal issues like having a unique set of laws apply to
each person which makes the legal system cease to have meaning, the
logistics of keeping track of your personal vote tally would be a
task beyond mythical proportions. Also, what do you do about the
80% of people who don't vote? Anyway, you'd never get the left to
agree to give up the power to tax the rich to buy the poor. That's
the entire basic and core function of the DNC these last several
decades. I can't see Gephart going for it. :-) |
| 2001/2/26 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:20702 Activity:nil |
2/26 Miami Herald reports Gore would've lost anyway with a full troll manual recount: http://www.miami.com/herald/special/news/flacount troll \_ I was going to post that. Damn it. I'm going to post it anyway: http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/2001-02-25-recount.htm troll \_ Your corporate masters have spoken. Go back to sleep. Democracy is safe in our hands. troll \_ Uh huh... and if they said something different, you'd be the first screaming for GWB to resign. \_ No, I voted for Nader. The Republicrats are all scum. troll \_ Oh Yeah. "Let Every Vote Count!" Bush should've let it happen, and then said to Gore "Looser!". We all knew Gore lost. troll \_ You mean let DNC shills steal it? And the word is "loser", not "looser". "looser" is yermom. Went to a diverse school, did you? |
| 2001/2/26-27 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:20698 Activity:moderate |
2/26 Is California still at some stage of power alert? Or how did we get
out of the crisis? I've been missing the news lately.
\_ We did not get out of it. We postponed it by racking up
massive debts that consumers are going to get shafted with.
This summer is going to have blackouts. -ausman
\_ The Consumer Utilities (i.e. PG&E) are still on the verge of
bankruptcy, and the state is still burning millions of taxpayer
dollars a day to prop them up. Due to plants returning to service
from maintenance, the supply is still there and there's no more
power alerts. Start saving for your power bills, its going to
be the taxpayers and power users who wind up paying for this mess.
\_ Thanks for deleting my post and saying exactly what I said.
We might be able to avoid blackouts this summer with the
use of dozens of smallish, high polluting power plants
scattered throughout the state. It is still being decided.
\_ You'd prefer we just not have power? |
| 2001/2/26 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:20697 Activity:high |
2/26 Miami Herald reports Gore would've lost anyway with a full
manual recount: http://www.miami.com/herald/special/news/flacount
\_ I was going to post that. Damn it. I'm going to post it anyway:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/2001-02-25-recount.htm
\_ Your corporate masters have spoken. Go back to sleep. Democracy
is safe in our hands.
\_ Uh huh... and if they said something different, you'd be the
first screaming for GWB to resign.
\_ Oh Yeah. "Let Every Vote Count!" Bush should've let it happen,
and then said to Gore "Looser!". We all knew Gore lost.
\_ You mean let DNC shills steal it? And the word is "loser",
not "looser". "looser" is yermom. Went to a diverse school,
did you? |
| 2001/2/23 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:20658 Activity:high |
2/22 Are butterfly knives illegal in CA? Are there any good online sources
where I can find out information on stuff like this?
\_ blades less than 4" are legal. butt knives, stilettos are not
legal no matter what the length.
\_ Previous poster is wrong (*all* blades over 4" are not illegal!
That would outlaw steak knives!). CA state law says that
\_ No, you just don't know how to read. The two statements
'blades less than 4" are legal' and '*all* blades over 4"
are not illegal!' do not contradict each other. The
first statement implies that some blades over 4" are
not legal, but it can be completely true even if all
blades less than 4" are legal, since it actually says
nothing about blades longer than 4".
\_ yup (late night). The statement "blades less than 4"
are legal" is false, which is what I should have said.
automatic knives with blade lengths of less than two inches are
legal. CA case law classifies butterfly knives as automatics.
As far as state law is concerned, a butterfly knife with a blade
less than two inches long is perfectly legal. Some local
governments (Mountain View, for example) ban possession of all
automatic knives, regardless of blade length.
<DEAD>pweb.netcom.com/~brlevine/sta-law.htm<DEAD> is a good reference
on state knife laws, but I don't know of one that covers local
ordinances. The relevant federal agency (sorry -- I don't
remember which one that is off the top of my head) has reversed
themselves, declaring that butterfly knives are no longer
not carried in public.
considered automatics (making them legal for interstate sales
and importation into the country). California's state knife
laws are ambiguous and open to abusive enforcement.
\_ my apologies. i stand corrected. wow. and just to think
i could have been carrying a legal 2" butterfly knife. guess
i'll sell this 6" one.
\_ The 1.9" automatics are kinda cool. With how poorly the laws
covering this are written, some argue that it is technically
legal to own a full-size butterfly knife in CA, as long as it
is not carried in public. Wanna be the test case?
\_ is my rapier legal?
\_ I think it's legal to carry around a sheathed sword, as long as
it's visible.
\_ Yes. Is it under 2"?
\_ You can't go wrong with a flail.
\_ I prefer the standard mace. Just a big chunk of steel at
the end of a stick can do wonders on Telegraph. |
| 2001/1/14 [Politics/Domestic/California, Recreation/Celebrity, Computer/SW/Apps/Media] UID:20310 Activity:nil |
1/13 Shockingly biased Palm Beach Post says _Bush_ would have gained more
votes than Gore if all votes properly counted in Miami-Dade! I think
these right wing hacks should be locked up. The rightward bias in the
media must stop. We need new regulations to control the media and
stop the lies and yellow journalism.
http://www.gopbi.com/partners/pbpost/epaper/editions/today/news_2.html |
| 2000/12/30 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Foreign/Asia/China] UID:20195 Activity:nil |
12/28 English is not the National Language in the US:
\_ Yeah, and it's not even required for elected officials
or the people who try to vote for them.
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/JWCRAWFORD/debate.htm
\_ Ok... so who is putting the little daffy symbol in Mr. Daffy's
'corrections'? "The 1990 Census found that most minority language
speakers are bilingual --- 94.2 percent of them speak English
with varying levels of proficiency." Yes. Varying. Like the same
way I knew the Spanish word for 'water' when the busboy didn't know
the English word for it. English, American dialect, *is* the
national language in the U.S. Trying to deny the obvious is plain
stupid. Have a cookie, troll.
\_ officially, it is not the official national language.
It may be the unofficial national language, but not
the official one.
\_ Officially? That's not what the link or the original post
is about. Like, uhm, hey, duh. We know there isn't an
"official" language so why bother mentioning it? Might as
well remind us all that Martian isn't the official language.
\_ so it's the official unofficial language?
\_ What the hack. In Singapore, Malay is the official national
language, but the government and businesses use English for
everything, and most people speak Chinese after work.
\_ the appropriate term is "de facto" |
| 2000/12/25-26 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:20167 Activity:low |
12/24 It's amazing. More Republican vote theft. No wonder they didn't want
every vote counted. Look at all these people who Jeb screwed over:
http://www.herald.com/content/today/news/dade/digdocs/110495.htm
A deep investigation of Florida and some folks are going to vote from
prison next time.
\_ Convicted felons can't vote, moron.
\_ They can so long as they're republicans in Florida.
\_ You didn't get the joke did you? |
| 2000/12/14 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:20101 Activity:high |
12/13 http://washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A2768-2000Dec13.html Different groups can't even agree which votes are in dispute, much less how to re-re-re-re-re-count them.... \_ I'm very interested in whether they'll have any success here. I trust the liberal L.A. Times more than the GOP for a report on how counts would have turned out if a single, state-wide standard for under/overvotes were taken. Even if the liberal L.A. Times reports "Broward was bad mm-kay, because the indented ballots were entirely subjective." \_ Trying to determine what someone intended when there's anything other than a clear punch is subjective. I trust the late night psychic hotline woman more than the LA Times. \_ Go away (right-leaning) troll. Even the Republican counsel at the Supreme Court hearing implied that a penetrated ballot could count as a legal vote. |
| 2000/12/13-14 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:20091 Activity:insanely high |
12/12 Supreme Court rules for Bush, 5-4.
/- I've re-worded it, ya crazy sodan:
| Of the seven justices that felt there were constitutional
| problems, two did not feel these problems warranted a halt
| to the recount. Hence, the 5-4 vote.
\_ This isn't true no matter how you word it. Try again
and this time use something other than jesse jackson's
website as an info source.
\_ Dewd. You are sick.
\_ 7-2 agreed that there were problems with the Equal protection
clause.
\_ 7-2 agreed that there were constitutional problems with what has
been going down in Florida.
\_ They agreed that there was not a consistant way to hand count
votes (ie. the different chads) because of that, there would
be a question of equal protection under the law. There is no
law of what a vaild vote is in Florida, except that it is
determined they the Secretary of State. The problem lies in
that there is disagreement of whether or not the Supreme Court
should have interferred at this point in the process. Bush
wins by litigation.
\_ Bush wins by having more votes. Thank you for playing.
\_ Gore had more votes...don't be silly. Not even the
Republican lawyers are suggesting the Bush actually
received more votes. Congrats on preventing the
recount in Florida while getting one in New Mexico.
\_ New Mex. recount was automatic, not requested
AFAIK. And AL could have cheated his way to
more votes, not quite the same has getting more
votes on election day. Spare me your whimpering
about under votes, etc. If you really care
about your vote, you would make *SURE* that
you punched the ballot all the way through.
If you can't even bother to do that, your vote
deserves to be discarded.
\_ Stop using the "F" word! _F_acts offend the
mindless ultra left. Yes, NM was an automatic
recount just like the machine recount in FL,
and the automatic recount triggered in Oregon
in the Senate race. Bush had more votes.
\_ url?
\_ If you didn't notice the other recount, you aren't
really interested (If you have to ask, you don't
already know)
\_ uh, Florida did get a recount. The count was
certified, Gore went to the lawyers, yadda yadda yadda.
\- bush wins by delay of game. penalty 150 votes. --psb
\_ stupid republican comment deleted
\_ COMMIE CENSORS CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!
\_ Poor babies. For the poor ultra leftist
clowns who can't deal with the truth I
essentially said that Bush won every vote,
and count and recount using the most stupid
rules invented by Gore's Demo buddies with
ballots manually counted by Gore's Demo
buddies and at no point despite this
travesty of justice was Gore ever ahead in
Florida. Good bye Mr. Gore. Nice speech.
Hopefully your last public speech ever.
\_ and Gore WASN'T trying to? the votes were recounted, the
count was certified, Gore went to the lawyers, yadda yadda
yadda.
\_ The Republicans hand recounted their districts then
denied the Dems the same right. And got away with it,
it turns out. Face it, your man stole the election.
\_ url?
\_ It does not exists, because it did not happen.
The GOP did not recount any district by hand.
\_ Hello? Volusia? Broward? Only the most heavily 20%
Democratic areas in Miami-Dade? Al Gore did his best
to steal it and got beaten down like the mad dog he is.
If I wanted spin and lies I could turn on CNN or MSNBC.
They do it better than you do and shower more often.
\_ I agree that the Republicans "stole the election".
The Republican strategy was to not count all legal
votes, especially legal votes that could go to Gore.
I often had the impression that they were rushing
the election to a close. Not to say that the Democrats
were entirely fair, but the Republicans didn't want
to play ball and go ahead with a statewide recount
(probably those slippery, pro-Gore liberal counters),
so the Democrats were forced to pursue recounts in
only liberal-heavy counties.
I do not agree with the Republican propaganda that
valid recounts had been repeated thrice. I believe
Gore's assertion that not all legal votes were
counted.
\_ Grow up, child. Gore could've requested a statewide
recount but instead chose 3 or 4 cherry picked Demo
areas where he thought he could scum up a few more
improperly cast votes by "diving the will" through
his political surrogates.
\_ Yeah, I bet you believe that AL created the
internet too. All the votes that were correctly
voted were counted by the machine. Hand recounts
amounted to guessing which ballots when to Al by
people who want him to win. If some stupid fool
in FL can't be bothered to check his/her ballot
then they don't deserve to have a say.
I disagree, too, with the assertion that "the
Democrats would have resorted to the same stalling
tactics if they had the lead." In this case, if
the Republicans asked for a statewide recount,
the Democrats would have accepted. This coincides
with the general principle that Democrats are good
(know what's going on) and Republicans are evil
(are misinformed).
\_ And you base this on what? Your leftist mindwashing
on campus from your drooling babbling communist
profs? WAKE UP! COFFEE IS READY!
\_ Republicans didn't steal anything. The won fair
and square under the laws as they existed on
election day (ever hear of ex posto facto?).
\_ Hey dumbshit. No laws were made by Al Gore.
In case you're too stupid to figure it out
he doesn't have the power. Figure out what
the hell "ex post facto" means before you
blab it out on the motd. It is within the
FL supreme court to interpret existing laws.
\_ 'after the fact', extending the recounts
past the original legislative deadline
was illegal. The courts can interpret
the law, they don't make it and they
shouldn't break it as the FL Supereme
Court did. Fortunately the US Supreme
Court has the wisdom to stop their
activisim.
GWB was ahead in the initial count, the machine
recount and every other count (despite challenges
to military ballots).
AL's plan for a statewide recount by his vote
counters would have amounted to a coup d'etat,
subverting the laws in order to win.
Furthermore, the GOP did not ask for a recount
in states where GWB lost by similar margins. If
FL had gone to ALGOR by 500 votes, GWB would have
conceeded and AL would be Pres. Elect. Only a
Democrat would have the gaul to act as AL has.
His behavior only serves to reinforce the general
principle that Democrats/Liberals == EVIL COMMIES
and the GOP == the good guys. Only Jefferson and
\_ I take it
you never
took US
history?
Let me rephrase, Jeffersonian _/
principles are good, Jefferson
the man made many scary mistakes.
Very few democrats even have principles,
so Jefferson is a decent one in
my book.
Truman have ever been able to transend this
principle.
[ Possibly unfair characterization of a liberal
removed by author. ]
\_ You make a good argument, but I'll have to
look at Rehnquist/Scalia/Thomas' opinion
in the Supreme Court case. I think their
reasons for voting "no-recounts" are
substantively different than yours.
\_ Yes. As I understand it they said no
recounts because of two reasons. First,
the choice of electors belongs to the leg.
branch not the jud. branch according to the
constitution. Second, partial recounts w/o
standards violates equal protection under
the 14th amendment (as I recall).
I'm basically saying that what AL did was
not the right or proper thing to do for
a gentleman and a president.
\_ they gave up b/c it was going to
be "too big a mess." what a cop-out.
\_ You went to the Jesse Jackson School
Of Logic. I can tell.
\_ I'm not sure you're right about the
first part and will have to check.
The second part would suggest that
if the state court a) extended the
deadline to the 17th and b) more precisely
explained how re-counts would be conducted,
and explain how it would not be a violation
of equal protection -- if the state court
did both of these things, the U.S.
Supreme Court would have let the recount
go on.
\_ They extended to the 26th. Not 17th.
\_ Yes, that is correct. Despite the
democratic cries of a partisan Supreme
Court, a timely recount with a statewide
standard would have been allowed. This
seems so obvious that I find it puzzling
that the Democrats didn't push for it.
The only explanation I see is that they
really were fishing for votes.
\_ I don't know what it's like to be
a liberal Florida Supreme Court
justice, but it looks like what
happened is that four justices
produced a hasty, poorly thought-out
decision, in order to meet a Dec 12
safe harbor date. |
| 2000/12/6-7 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:20019 Activity:kinda low |
4/250 What is DTS Digital format?
\_ Competing sound system to Dolby. First introduced in
Jurassic Park. Most popular in California. Some say it sounds
better, but that's for the individual to decide.
\_ I thought that was THX
\_ THX started with Return of the Jedi. THX & DTS/Dolby are
not competing, rather complementary.
\_ DTS competes with Dolby 5.1. THX is another
brand name tag that's been watered down
by a greedy lucas, prompting the equally
greed motivated THX Pro spec, which is
what THX origionally was, and is more $$$. |
| 2000/12/1-2 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:19973 Activity:high |
12/1 More evidence of Republicans trying to disenfranchise the poor,
minorities and other citizens they don't like:
http://www.herald.com/content/archive/news/elect2000/digdocs/080337.htm
\_ Read it again. 75% of those illegal votes were by registered
Democrats. And yes, felons and aliens can't vote -- Sorry Gore.
\_ A vote is a vote, simply because someone who cast a vote
isn't a citizen or made some mistakes in the past, isn't
a valid reason to disqualify their vote. Everyone makes
mistakes, and at some point in the past most americans
weren't citizens of america.
Valid reasons to disqualify votes are:
1. Failure to get a postmark on your absentee ballot.
Its the law and you have to abide by the law. And
don't tell me you are serving in the line of fire
and can't get to a local post office. I've heard
that excuse before.
2. A vote for my opponent. DAMN who you be so dumb?
\_ how the hell do you infer that Republicans are to blame for this?
Quote from the article: "Nearly 75 percent of the illegal ballots
discovered by The Herald were cast by registered Democrats."
\_ Hi troll. Felons can't vote. I am sure Republicans don't like
them, but you can't disenfranchise someone with no right to vote,
now can you?
\_ How dare you suggest that felons and non-citizens can't be
disenfranchised! Anyone who wanted to vote for me or voted
for me but hasn't had thier vote counted can be disenfranchised.
The only invalid ballots come from soliders in the field who
can't be bothered to get a postmark. Come on, how hard is it
to get a postmark? Even the felons and illegals, who are a
significant percentage of my base, got postmarks. - Al |
| 2000/11/30 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:19959 Activity:high |
11/30 Why would anyone think that a recount is more accurate than a
machine count? Can't they use an OCR program, with 99.9% character
recognition (and much more for simple items like the ballots) to
go through the ballots?
\_ it's hard to count ballots with your head up your ass. -tom
\_ Hand Recount is the only fair and honest way to clear up this
mess and make me president, and office that only I am capable
of holding.
Hand Recounting, when performed by highly skilled members of
team gore, uh, I mean the voting board, using their fair and
impartial criteria (award all votes to gore) will produce the
desired, uh, I mean correct result, which is that I ALGOR won
the election and thus the presidency. - Al |
| 2000/11/22 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:19888 Activity:high 61%like:19887 |
11/21 hand-count must be counted, but it will not be enough!
-_Gore stole election
\_ Of course it'll be enough. Our people are doing the check for
voter intent. They're going to intend 1000+ Gore votes from
thin air. The kicker is that the FL SC used Illinois law in
their ruling. I got a big laugh out of that. Home state to
Daley and his vote box stuffing machine! Great stuff! Pie in
the face for all republicans! ahhahahhahha!
\_ He's getting help:
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2000/11/21/110744.shtml
http://foxnews.com/election_night/112100/militaryballots_kehnemui.sml
http://www.newsmax.com/showinsidecover.shtml?a=2000/11/21/114527 |
| 2000/11/22 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:19887 Activity:nil 66%like:19883 61%like:19888 |
11/21 hand-count must be counted, but it will not be enough!
-_Gore stole election
\_ He's getting help:
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2000/11/21/110744.shtml |
| 2000/11/21 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:19873 Activity:nil |
11/21 Okay. We haven't had a good troll on the motd for days. What's
up? Where have all the trollers gone?
Here's my (pitable) attempt at starting one:
Why is it that all the hot asian chick who vote democratic
go after rich white republican business major guys who use
windows, drive non riced cars and have less than a 384K uplink
to the internet?
- asian cs major who voted NADER and RIDES BIKE and uses LINUX
and has a 1.5/1.5 DSL link to the internet and would like a
rice rocket and hot asian chick. |
| 2000/11/19 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:19853 Activity:nil |
11/19 Daley isn't going to last a week once he gets back to Chicago.
WPB: Bush+12 with 20% counted. Broward: Gore+57 with 33% counted.
At least he'll still get to vote after they bury him. |
| 2000/11/19 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:19852 Activity:nil |
11/19 A few things for the FL Supreme Court to consider: Separation of
Powers, partisan nature of the canvassing boards, a lower circuit
court having ruled in Harris's favor (Democrat judge), the recount
isn't going to make a difference, hypocritical Dems purging 1000+
military ballots in violation of FL election laws while saying every
vote should count, and no judge anywhere wants to touch this hot
potato. My bet is they rule Judge Lee was correct, the counts can
continue but Harris can ignore them, and the final tallies won't
change anything and all the other suits out there will be thrown out
by the lower court judges because they don't want to be responsible
for continuing the mess Gore started. |
| 2000/11/19 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:19847 Activity:moderate |
11/18 Anyone know how the absentee count is going in CA? Is Gore going
to widen the gap?
\_ WHO cares about CA?
\_ Widen the gap in CA? Are you insane? No. Duh. Absentees in CA
are heavily Republican. His lead will shrink after CA finishes and
reports official tallies in early December. |
| 2000/11/18-19 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:19839 Activity:high |
11/17 CNN: Gore operatives must manufacture 927 votes to steal
Presidency. Bush +926 with all counties reporting. That a
*lot* of votes, especially when WPB is failing to uphold their
duties and has found more Bush votes than Gore votes so far.
Gotta replace those 3 clowns with people who know how to
create votes properly.
\_ Yeah, let's let Jesse Jackson and Mayor Dayle's boy
and ALGOR do the recounting.
\_ Update: Unofficial tally is Bush+930. What is Gore's group
thinking? This is no way to win an election. If they want the
victory, they need to do it Chicago style with tommy guns in an
empty warehouse. When Gore loses, he'll just fade into historical
obscurity. Daley is going to "have an accident". Bye Daley.
\_ Perhaps this is inconceivable to you bastards, but maybe
they're doing the recount honestly? Maybe Al Gore's game the
whole time was to see if he really won or not based on the
most accurate count possible? Nah, you guys would rather find
in him the same smut and slime that is in your own hearts,
even if you have to "manufacture" the evidence yourself.--PeterM
\_ Yeah, hand recounting, where its upto partisan
counters using subjective standards to evaluate
choices is really a "honest" recount. ALGOR isn't
trying to figure out if he won, he's trying to
ensure that he wins. If you think that ALGOR is
above doing something like this, you forget that
he and his boss have already sold out this country
to N. Korea, China, and Iran via covert illegal
channels.
choices is really a "honest" recount. Tell me
another one.
ALGOR isn't trying to figure out if he won, he's
trying to ensure that he wins. If you think that
ALGOR is above doing something like this, you
forget that he and his boss have already sold out
this country to N. Korea, China, and Iran via
covert illegal channels.
\_ Well, his partisan recounters sure seem to be counting
honestly despite your assertion that they're biased.
In fact, if your theory is correct, why is Gore not ahead?
Your willingness to "find" dishonesty and prejudge people
is a condemnation of your self more than it is of Gore.
\_ Because it's hard to find enough competent people to
screw up the votes without getting caught and they *are*
getting caught. Slime in our hearts? Tsk. Tsk. What
happened to not wanting to be a part of the politics
of personal destruction? Lefty smears. If you can't
win honestly, smear smear smear and recount count count
until you do. We can see what's going on down there and
it's ugly and unAmerican.
\_ Are you really a wingnut, or do you just play
one on the Internet?
\_ They are trying, but the votes just aren't there.
The problem has escalated from maufacturing 300 votes
to manufacturing a 1000 votes. Its much harder but
ALGORs counters are trying:
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2000/11/18/134509.shtml
http://www.newsmax.com/showinsidecover.shtml?a=2000/11/18/194259
\_ Here's the deal: with 1% of the hand recount done in
Palm Beach County, Gore had +19 new votes. So, he's
on pace to pick up 1,900 new votes there, which would
be more than enough to beat Bush. If the FL
S. Ct. allows the hand recount, Gore should win.
\_ Actually, its a lot worse for ALGOR than that.
The 4 precincts that were counted went Gore by
large percentages. That only 19 new votes is a
setback for Gore, since most of the other
precincts were evenly split or heavily bush.
And everyone knows that linear extrapolation
from a single data point cannot yeild correct
results.
\_ Who taught you basic math? Some partisan 70 year old
bimbo in FL on the tube? 1900 is not a realistic number.
As the above states, those 4 precincts do not represent
the rest of WPB's voting patterns. Those were the
absolute *best* Gore precincts in the state. 1900 is
a theoretical maximum based on the assumption the rest of
county had the same voting patterns. They don't. |
| 2000/11/17 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:19831 Activity:nil |
11/16 If Gore wins, 30 states will succeed from the union
\_ California shouldn't need this election as an excuse to cecede
(yes it's "cecede" troll) from the union. We have all the good
\_ Try "secede" you loser spelling-god wannabe.
stuff. Without the United States we would have the 6th (new
figures?) largest economy in the WORLD. Think about it. It's a
good plan.
\_ Hi troll. This is the dumbest thing posted on the motd in at least
6 months.
\_ I would hope all 50 would.
\_ Bush supporters also tend
to have the same level of
vocabulary as Bush himself.
\_ Typical leftist. If you can't
win, smear, smear, smear. They
\_ smear? You dumbshit. Everyone
knows Bush is a crack smoking
idiot. Even Republicans
know that. Even his dad. It
has nothing to do with who
wins this damn election. The
guy can't say an English
sentence without fucking up.
\_ So, the ends justifies the
means? It's ok to steal
the election is the end
result is what you want?
Wow... how naive of me to
think The Will Of The
People still mattered....
\_ The Republicans stole
the election by hand
counting ballots in
Republican majority
counties then refusing
the Dems the same right.
voted, Bush won. They recounted,
Bush won. They're in court now,
Bush is winning there, too.
The recounts aren't _creating_
enough new Gore votes to change
anything. Bush won. The
overseas votes are 5:3 (R)
voters, Bush won. Give it up.
You've been in the Bay Area too
long. Even my coworkers who
voted Gore are saying he lost
and should give it up.
\_ The Republicans stole the
election, not Gore.
\_ Err ... I also think Gore
should give up, but that
doesn't mean I should like
Bush Jr., or have any
confidence in his vocabulary.
\_ This isn't about GPA's,
even though Bush's GPA
was higher. It's about
stealing the election
through the courts with
PR blitz assistance from
the slanted press.
\_ Then they will be rogue states. Hope they can defend themselves.
\_ good riddance
\_ So if 30 succeed, will the other 20 (not incl PR and DC) fail?
\_ I'd like Gore to take a road trip from East to West Coast.
I dare him to try to find a path through Democratic States.
He won't be able to without being forced to cross through
Republican country (can't leave the U.S. borders, of course).
\_ Who cares? They're a bunch of gun hugging hicks who marry
their cousins.
\_ We leftist call that "fly over country". Driving is for
plebes.
\_ This must be a troll. Republicans know better than to call for
secession based on the results of an election; we value the laws
of the land (unlike most democrats).
\_they would cecede because this has become a nation of lawyers
not laws. Al Gore can win an election by a judge and not law.
So why note cecede and keep the constitution the way it was meant
to be?
\_ You people are all fucking pathetic. This is almost-but-not-
quite above the level of knuckle-dragging trash talking you get
in an 8th grade pickup basketball game. I'm ashamed to have
graduated from the same educational system that spawned people
as incapable of rational thought as yourselves. And the worst
of it is, you get to vote on my taxes. Spite, contempt,
vitriol. -John
\_ Hi John. If they voted intelligently, they'd be lowering
your taxes. Intelligently = can read a ballot and poke
1 hole per candidate.
\_ Is there more than 1 hole per candidate?
\_ In Florida, some morons voted once for Al Gore
and a second vote for that nice Joe fellow because
he's a nice boy, you know? |
| 2000/11/17 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/President/Reagan] UID:19827 Activity:nil |
11/16 1976: Carter 297, Ford 240, Reagan 1 (margin of 57)
Was Reagan an independent candidate? (the above are electoral votes)
\_ The electors are able to vote for whomever the choose. In
76 one vote in Washington (state, not dc) was cast for Reagan.
Take a look at the following page:
http://www.ksg.harvard.edu/case/3pt/electoral.html
The relavent part:
"Most recently, in 1976, a Republican elector in the state
of Washington cast his vote for Ronald Reagan instead of
Gerald Ford, the Republican presidential candidate.
Earlier, in 1972, a Republican elector in Virginia
deserted Nixon to vote for the Libertarian party
candidate. And in 1968, Nixon lost another Virginia
elector, who bolted to George Wallace. "
\_ If you're hoping for (R) electors to switch votes, don't hold
your breath... broken glass... broken glass. |
| 2000/11/17-19 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:19813 Activity:nil |
11/17 Vote for your favorite operating system:
Windows 2000 ----------O
Linux ------------+----O <-------- Pat Buchanan
FreeBSD ----------|----8 <-------+ Windows 98 |
OpenBSD -------+ | () <--+---- tjb <------+
Write In | +----o o |
________ | | +---- Linux
. +----------+
\_ Ugh! This is utterly confusing! How can you expect a
dumbass like me to figure it out?
\_ Nice try. 1st graders in the deep south can get it right. Why
can't race baiters like Jesse Jackson? Oh wait. They use the
same ballot in *his* voting district and it went ok. |
| 2000/11/16 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/911, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:19800 Activity:nil |
11/16 WPB officials deny request for hand recount: In the 1984 Palm Beach election, more than 310,000 ballots were cast. The margin between two County Commission candidates was 242 votes. The loser in that race and in others on the ballot protested, among other things, the hanging chad problem. Officials denied a request for a hand recount. http://www.herald.com/content/archive/news/elect2000/decision/035445.htm |
| 2000/11/16 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:19787 Activity:nil |
102.166 Protest of election returns; procedure.-- (1) Any candidate for nomination or election, or any elector qualified to vote in the election related to such candidacy, shall have the right to protest the returns of the election as being erroneous by filing with the appropriate canvassing board a sworn, written protest. (2) Such protest shall be filed with the canvassing board prior to the time the canvassing board certifies the results for the office being protested or within 5 days after midnight of the date the election is held, whichever occurs later. (3) Before canvassing the returns of the election, the canvassing board shall: (a) When paper ballots are used, examine the tabulation of the paper ballots cast. (b) When voting machines are used, examine the counters on the machines of nonprinter machines or the printer-pac on printer machines. If there is a discrepancy between the returns and the counters of the machines or the printer-pac, the counters of such machines or the printer-pac shall be presumed correct. (c) When electronic or electromechanical equipment is used, the canvassing board shall examine precinct records and election returns. If there is a clerical error, such error shall be corrected by the county canvassing board. If there is a discrepancy which could affect the outcome of an election, the canvassing board may recount the ballots on the automatic tabulating equipment. (4)(a) Any candidate whose name appeared on the ballot, any political committee that supports or opposes an issue which appeared on the ballot, or any political party whose candidates' names appeared on the ballot may file a written request with the county canvassing board for a manual recount. The written request shall contain a statement of the reason the manual recount is being requested. (b) Such request must be filed with the canvassing board prior to the time the canvassing board certifies the results for the office being protested or within 72 hours after midnight of the date the election was held, whichever occurs later. (c) The county canvassing board may authorize a manual recount. If a manual recount is authorized, the county canvassing board shall make a reasonable effort to notify each candidate whose race is being recounted of the time and place of such recount. (d) The manual recount must include at least three precincts and at least 1 percent of the total votes cast for such candidate or issue. In the event there are less than three precincts involved in the election, all precincts shall be counted. The person who requested the recount shall choose three precincts to be recounted, and, if other precincts are recounted, the county canvassing board shall select the additional precincts. (5) If the manual recount indicates an error in the vote tabulation which could affect the outcome of the election, the county canvassing board shall: (a) Correct the error and recount the remaining precincts with the vote tabulation system; (b) Request the Department of State to verify the tabulation software; or (c) Manually recount all ballots. (6) Any manual recount shall be open to the public. (7) Procedures for a manual recount are as follows: (a) The county canvassing board shall appoint as many counting teams of at least two electors as is necessary to manually recount the ballots. A counting team must have, when possible, members of at least two political parties. A candidate involved in the race shall not be a member of the counting team. (b) If a counting team is unable to determine a voter's intent in casting a ballot, the ballot shall be presented to the county canvassing board for it to determine the voter's intent. (8) If the county canvassing board determines the need to verify the tabulation software, the county canvassing board shall request in writing that the Department of State verify the software. (9) When the Department of State verifies such software, the department shall: (a) Compare the software used to tabulate the votes with the software filed with the Department of State pursuant to s. 101.5607; and (b) Check the election parameters. (10) The Department of State shall respond to the county canvassing board within 3 working days. |
| 2000/11/16 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Foreign/Europe] UID:19786 Activity:high |
11/15 Please read the text without ragging on the source. Dr. Laura had
the easiest to read (in terms of fonts, etc) copy of this quote:
http://drlaura.com/letters/index.html?mode=view&tile=1&id=115
Any opinions on this quote? Was Tyler full of shit? Where do you
think we stand on Tyler's timeline if he had it right?
\_ Tyler is full of B.S. True democracy in a country where the people
are 100% educated won't vote for more money. That happens in
the U.S., in Philipines, in Mexico, etc, where the average voter
has no clue of what's happening. We haven't even progressed to
true democracy yet, much less going on to bondage again.
\_ unless by "100% educated" you mean 100% brainwashed into your
or my particular ideology (and even the latter would be a high
price to pay for what wouldn't really be a democracy), you,
like most people, have an entirely irrational faith in
education. -crebbs
\_ You missed the point. "true democracies" dont last, you always
degenerate into the haves and the havenots, which then
accelerates like how the US is going now.
\_ Its a moot point, since the US is not and has never been
a true democracy. The US is a representative republic.
A true democracy is not much different than mob rule. A
simple majority often makes hasty and ill considered
choises. The founding fathers knew this and created a
system of government resistant to drastic changes that
can plague a democracy.
\- that quote does better on style than substance. the fall of athens
has a lot to do with the peloponessian war. See Thucydides and
Kagan IV: The Fall of the Athenian Empire. You know being invaded
genreation, that men intheir prime could not be found or
[by the macedonians] also didnt help. I dontthink we need to worry
about invasion. The point about populism is interesting. See the
rule on land reform legislation in Republic of Rome. --psb
\_ It's not across from France anymore? Where did they move it to?
\- here is an interesting quote from Kagan:
"It is revealing of the state of Athenian politics that
the Athenians believed they must seek such qualities
["prudent cautious, moderate leadership"] in an earlier
genreation, that men in their prime could not be found or
trusted to provide it.". --psb
\_ The U.K. wasnt "invaded" either, but it is no longer where
it once was
\_ It's not across from France anymore? Where did they move
it to?
\_ Thanks to the liberals who turned it into a socialist
welfare state.
\_ The British Empire fell long before that. Unless you
are calling Winston Churchill a liberal.
\_ It was still an empire into the early 50's, well
after Churchill was out of power.
\_ The British EMPIRE is anti-democratic. That's why it fell.
\_ Actually, it fell because it actually tried to be
somewhat nice to the people it conquered, rather than
ruling with an iron fist forever.
The last straw was of course the massive draining of
resources due to WWII.
\_ Yeah sure, massive draining of resources from the
colonies to the European front. When the Japanese
Imperial Army came with 30000 soldiers, the 80000 Brits
ran so fast down the Malayan peninsula, the Japanese
soldiers had to grab bicycles from the locals to
keep up with the retreating British (note
that the terrain in Malaysia is unsuitable for
armored vehicles).
\_ They will face a problem 10x worse than what the
French had when they persisted in their anti-
democratic ways in Algeria and IndoChina.
\_ Nice? Please explain in what ways the British were "nice"
conquerers. Taken a history class anytime in this life?
\_ yeah, thats a pretty fucking dumb thing for someone
to say. it's always hard to tell on the motd who is a troll
and who really is a moron. there are so many true morons
and so many really devoted trolls who have honed there
skills over the years and they both seem to like to post
to the motd. -troller
\_ The democracy/republic which is the United States will persist
as long as most people feel that the U.S. is the best country to
be a citizen of on this planet. It also persists on a common,
nation-wide feeling of what is right and wrong, what is fair and
not fair, and that honest, hard-working people can better
their situation in a reasonable way, in the face of all that
is wrong and not fair. Voting to give yourself money is
generally accepted as corrupt and embarrassing, unless you
have a good reason that other people will buy. For example,
most people will vote to give veterans money, but most people
will not vote to give only rich people tax breaks. People
may want to abolish taxes, but most people understand
this will upset the system and create a situation where
the U.S. is no longer a great place to live. Anyways, the
bottom line is that Tyler makes a lame, inflammatory college
frosh argument that you'd hear in section and from your
\_ Explain then, why every democracy in existence has
a higher tax rate now than it did 50 years ago? And higher
50 years ago than it was 100 years ago, (obviously you can
keep going with this).
\_ Interesting trend. Explanation not available. Opinion
unchanged. |
| 2000/11/14-15 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:19779 Activity:kinda low |
11/14 Lets say a state w/ 2,000,000 people has 20 electoral votes
another state w/ 1,000,000 people has 10 electoral votes.
Candidate 1 gets 1,000,001 popular vote in state 1 wins 20 votes.
Candidate 2 gets 1,000,000 popular votes in state 2 wins 10 votes
Popular vote: Electoral Votes
Candidate 1 1,000,001 20
Candidate 2 1,999,999 10
Candidate 2 wins popular vote but loses electoral votes.
What's the big deal about crying about winning electoral college
but not popular vote?
\_ we are in a republic so the state gets represented, not the
people. So the above is correct.
\- part of the reason the popular vote claim is a little bogus
is that wasnt the strategic target the campaigns were aiming
at. it would be like at the end of a foodball game ignorning
the score and awarding victory to the team with more total
time of posession. --psb
\_ a switch to a popular vote might not pass anyway because the
smaller states (in terms of population) would not approve.
In campaigning, candidates would campaign in big metropolitan
areas and ignore the smaller states.
\_ They already do that. Gore never bothered campaigning in
the "Bush" states and Bush didn't bother campaigning in
the "Gore" states. It was only the swing (or battleground)
states that they cared about.
states that they cared about. Do you think Al Gore cares
what people in N. Dakota think about him? How about Bush
in Hawaii?
\_ True, but the effect would be even greater with a
popular vote.
\_ There's a ton of folks in the little shithole backwaters of
places like NH that have personally met every major candidate
going back 50+ years. Think that'd happen in a popularity
vote contest? |
| 2000/11/14 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/California/Arnold] UID:19774 Activity:high |
11/14 For those of you who still think that Gore is getting more
votes becaused he earned them:
http://www.opinionjournal.com/diary/?id=65000596
http://www.opinionjournal.com/diary/?id=65000613
\_ i dont' agree with the Wall Street Journal's numbers
in that article
\_ Ok, great. Make up your own. What numbers would you
prefer? Make some up and post a URL. Sheesh. Let's
not let little things like "facts" get in the way of
the truth.
\_ I'm glad to see you've learnt something.
The one thing that Bill taught me was to
never let facts and the truth stand in my
way. - Al Gore
PS. After inventing the Internet, I became
an 3113T H@X0R and I'm posting this from my
R00T SH311 D00DZ! A1 G0R3 0WNZ U!
\_ Hmmm, Wall Street Journal. No bias there. The first article is
purely subjective stating, to a first order approximation,
"recounts are bad, mm'kay." The second article features fast
and loose journalism "Statisticians tell me that is highly
unlikely". Who are these vaunted statisticians? Are they
College Professors? Are they bored students taking stat 2? Are
they even real? Who can say. Go sourcing. Why should anyone
trust the statisticians a writer for the Journal pulled out of his
ass? Why will they have anything but the bias needed for Fund's
angle? |
| 2000/11/13-14 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:19762 Activity:high |
11/13 Watch Volusia come back with _just_ enough votes to tip things back
to Gore, Daley scream that we need to stop counting and for the
first time in decades, the oversease ballots actually go heavily to
the left. You heard it here first.
\_ I kick you in da nuts here first.
\_ Volusia halfway done. +21 or so for.... Bush. Let's keep
counting until we "get it right".
\_ Volusia is now done with complete manual recount. Gore is up
about 20 votes or so. They're doing the absentee and other stuff
like provisional ballots now. Nice try Mr. Daley. Try suing
Broward. Might get some court action from a leftist activist
judge. |
| 2000/11/13-14 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:19761 Activity:nil |
11/13 Why a partial and selective recount is flawed, for those who didn't
do so well in Stat 2:
http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/comment111300m.shtml
\_ you don't need to read the article to know that selective
recount is flawed. It is common sense.
\_ Posted for some of the less clear thinking motd readers. |
| 2000/11/13-14 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:19744 Activity:very high |
11/12 Ok, so WPB had a lot of stupid people so they're getting a "do-over".
Why are they also recounting 3 other heavily Dem counties? I haven't
heard a reason other than "county shopping".
\_ Democratic counties are using punch-hole ballots. 32 errors
per 1000. The richer Republican counties are using scan-tron
ballots. 1 error per 1000. Secondly, Bush's team didn't ask for
recounts in his Republican counties within the 72-hour legal
deadline. Gore's team did. --PeterM
\_ So you're all for law and order? Are you also in favor of the
5pm certification deadline on Tuesday or opposed because in
that case, the law doesn't support your political position?
C'mon.. let's see the twisted reasoning for only following the
law when it suits your political cause. Gore is a crybaby and
is killing this country. -N'04!
\_ Actually, I'm in favor of a recount for Bush too. However,
in his rich counties with the scan-tron ballots, he's going
to get few new votes because of voting count error. --PeterM
\_ C'mon Peter. You ducked the question. Are you in favor
of following the law which states that Tuesday 5pm is
the deadline for turning in certified tallies or not?
This isn't a softball press conference with Barbara
Walters. This is the motd and you can't get away with
that shit and not get called on it.
\_ I didn't respond because I don't know the Florida
law on the 5pm deadline. I've seen it characterized
as an arbitrary rule imposed by the Republican
Sec'y of state and not a law at all. If it is a law
it should be followed, unless it is contradictory
to some other law, in which case a court must rule
on it. In the absence of credible data on whether
the 5pm deadline is a law or not, I have no opinion
on the topic. Is that clear, Mr. X? --PeterM
\_ This isn't something the Democrats want because it would
trigger a full check and investigation of not only
'irregularities' in Florida but other states as well.
The Dems have a lot more to fear from a countrywide
cleaning of ballots than the Repubs. You don't hear the
Daley/Gore ticket suggesting this happen and for a good
reason. They're not looking for a fair and accurate
count. They're fishing. Turn it around. If Gore was
in Bush's position would you tell him to sit back and
relax and take it like a man if Bush was cherry picking
which votes to "clean" and having it done by partisan
Repubs? Uh huh... thought so. Thanks for playing. You
can try again in 2004. So will we. Green in '04!
\_ rationale is that there were ballot irregularities which may have
resulted in many ballots being discounted. more specifically, the
ballot machines will not read your ballot if there are any
dangling bits of paper (instead of clean-punched holes). in a
race where the ultimate decision may be made on the basis of a few
hundred votes, it makes sense to be absolutely sure.
\_ Spoken like a true Gore apologist. Gore wants a recount in only
Democratic counties so that he can eke out a win handing to him
by partisian vote counters (they are all Democrats).
\_ There were irregularities all over Florida starting with the
media reporting the state went to Gore 70 minutes before the
heavily Republican west panhandle closed their polls. Let's
let all of the panhandle revote! DO OVER!
\_ Bah! It's likely that *more* Republican voters turned out in
the panhandle to try to win back the state.
\_ You seriously believe that? Don't be daft. |
| 2000/11/12-13 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:19739 Activity:insanely high |
11/12 The paragraph third from the bottom is my favorite. They've
certified 800 more votes countywide in WPB than the precint by
precint number reported from election night. Not only are the
dead voting, they're voting a bit late this year in WPB.
http://www.opinionjournal.com/diary/?id=65000590
\_ Do you actually understand the failure rates of mechanical
punch-vote systems? A second revote, in a pure mechanical-
system, will certify more votes. A hand recound will get
even more.
\_ You you understand no one from any party was claiming any sort
of mechanical failure? Did you see Lepore this morning make it
\_ Do you understand no one from any party was claiming any sort
of mechanical failure? Did you see LePore this morning make it
clear this was voter error and not in any way machine error?
LePore is the Democrat who designed the ballot and one of the 3
Democrats on the WPB board that voted to do a full hand recount.
Recount the whole state or none of it. Shit happens everywhere.
\_ I think the democrats would be quite happy to recount the
whole state. It's clear that there's a mechanical error;
two mechanical counts arrived at significantly different
numbers, and then a test count by hand found even more of a
discrepancy. That's separate from the ballot design issue.
-tom
\_ That depends on what your definition of "significant" is.
Or was that "is is"? I have trouble keeping up. And of
course a partisan committee found "even more of a
discrepancy". The Dems know exactly how many more votes
they need to steal to rob the election. I'm still bitter
that Gore stole my man's votes. -N'04! |
| 2000/11/12-13 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:19736 Activity:high |
11/11 1% of votes counted in Palm Beach = +19 votes
That whiny little Bush is going to shit his pants once he does some
"fuzzy math":
19 * 100 == ~1900 votes
Let's face it, the machines are very bad at counting and are the only
things supporting Bush. Gore has the true will of the people.
\_ Uhm, ok, let's do some more math. That was a county that voted
Democratic-dominated ones.
roughly 90% Gore, 10% Bush. Roughly 9:1. Why is it that about
1/3rd of the fucked up ballots went to Bush instead of Gore? More
first round vote fraud from the Democrats? Why did a recount
produce 3x as many as it should have statistically? And while we're
at it, let's try recounting a few heavily Republican counties....
The only fair way to do this is either accept the first machine
recount that was done by the machines or recount the whole friggin
state by hand. You can't clean up only some of your data and
expect to get a valid result. You get a _less_ valid result. I
shouldn't have to explain this to a Cal student....
\_ Dude, get yer shit together. First off, Palm Beach voted
62% Gore, 36% Bush (courtesy of http://CNN.com, data taken from first
count to get a feel for the percentages). I'll generalize that
Gore got 2 votes to every 1 vote Bush got in Palm Beach. Now
let's look at the new votes they got. Gore got 33, Bush got 14.
Hmm, wow, it looks like it's about a 2 to 1 ratio again. Oh wow.
So in general, we should see just as many non-counted ballots by
the machines. To me, as a Cal student, makes a lot of sense.
As for the entire state recounting by hand, I say GO FOR IT! Of
course the Republicans realize that such a recount could (I say
could, not would) make them lose, so they are scared of such a
notion. And yes, the votes will even out if the entire state was
counted. But I have a hunch that more Democrats are less likely
to punch the holes cleanly and make sure the chad drops. Let's
face it, Republicans are typically a bit more in tune to such
technical things, and are also typically a cleaner and tidier
group of people. Yes, that's a stereotype, but hey, that's all
elections ever come down to anyway. So go suck it with this
"_less_ valid result" bullshit. I want accuracy, not politics.
-phale, the original poster who finds himself forgetting to
clean up all of the chad he leaves behind
\_ They should do a recount in every county then, not just the
Democrat-dominated ones.
\_ Yes, that would be the fair thing to do
\_ Not everyone wants to get gored.
\_ Good point. Whereas everybody loves to get a little bush.
\_ I personally don't want to get dick
\_ I uhm, want, uh... GO GREEN! -N'04!
\_ PB County is actaully about 2:1 Gore. http://www.pbcelections.org
\_ Correct. The precincts they chose to reinterpret
were 90:10. |
| 2000/11/11-12 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:19731 Activity:moderate |
11/11 Back to election talk: Someone asked on wall why they didn't
use the touch screens that Riverside had. Here's a quote from
a cnn article:
But the technical standards for elections and the conduct of
elections in the United States that we are all seeing graphically
and clearly for the first time are that it's extremely decentralized.
It operates at the state level, rather than the federal level. In fact,
most of the job of the elections in putting everything in place, even
to the point of designing and printing the ballots, is done at the
level of county and local jurisdictions.
There's a beauty to that, in that it's a safeguard against any attempt
to take over or manipulate the election system in national elections.
On the other hand, what we are seeing is that it also leads to some
uneven quality standards and not a following across the board of best
practices or of use of best available technology.
\_ Look at the ballot and tell me what was so damn confusing:
http://www.jokeslayer.com/Pictures/FloridaBallot.gif
\_ I might have been the one you were talking about, and I'm fully
aware that the elections are run by the states and not the
feds, but apart from not being able to write in candidates
(someting I'm sure will be fixed within the next two years),
the touch screen system they had in Riverside was everything
you could want. -hjkim
\_ So what was so great about the touch screens? I haven't seen
them and know nothing about them.
\_ from what I've seen/heard: it's not confusing and it
doesn't tie the voter to a specific polling location
\_ I didn't find the WPB ballot confusing either so maybe
this isn't as useful as it sounds. Frankly, I think we
*want* to ditch the ballots of anyone too stupid to vote
correctly. This is a good thing, not bad. |
| 2000/11/11 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:19726 Activity:nil |
11/10 Say hello to President Gore.
Gore is particularly interested in Broward County, where
Democrats contend up to 6,700 ballots were punched, but not all
the way through, preventing machines from counting them. ``Al
Gore carried Broward County with more than 60 percent of the
vote,'' an aide said. ``We believe a hand recount will put most
of those 6,700 ballots in our column and Al Gore on top.''
\_ It's interesting how most of these ballots with punchhole
problems seem to be for Gore. |
| 2000/11/10-11 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:19719 Activity:nil |
11/10 DO OVER! Let all military personel get another chance to vote! http://www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_dougherty/20001110_xnjdo_congressma.shtml Or... we could all just accept that elections have always been kinda fucked, shit happens, try better next time, let it stand and move on. --Nader'04! |
| 2000/11/10-11 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:19716 Activity:nil |
11/10 NEWSFLASH: The official FL vote count is Bush+960 (or so) with 2
yet to report. This isn't AP or VNS. It's the numbers from the
real thing. And of course an unknown number of overseas yet to
arrive over the next few days.
\_ Give EXACT source for these things
\_ Sorry. It was on cnn and other cable channels. Every one
of the national news cable stations had it. cnn, msnbc,
cbs, etc. Take your pick. They're all getting this from
the same source so it hardly matters which you listen to. |
| 2000/11/10-11 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:19713 Activity:nil |
11/10 http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/comment111000d.shtml Non-citizens voting? How can this be? |
| 2000/11/10-11 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/California] UID:19712 Activity:nil |
11/10 http://www.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/stories/11/10/latimes.election.official For those of you wondering why all vote counts have been increasing in the recount. \_ Quote remove in the interst of space. Go to the URL if you care. Summary: punchcard machines don't work right if you fail to read directions and punch out your ballot without making sure the little piece of paper gets separated from the ballot. |
| 2000/11/10 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:19708 Activity:high |
11/9 Ok, looking at a close-up of the disputed Palm Beach ballot, WTF
is the problem?? The "5->" clearly points to one hole.
\_ the problem is you are looking at the ballot knowing that
there is an issue.
\_ Ok, suppose I'm a Palm Beach resident. I go into the booth
not knowing there's any problem, and knowing I want to vote
for Gore. How could I possibly punch "<-4" and not "5->"?
\_ I see Gore is second, so I punch the second hole.
\_ it was set up with the intention of confusing voters
that don't bother reading the ballot. I mean, why the
hell the second major opponent (whether democratic
or republican) be "the third hole?!!!" Most normal
ballots have the two major political forces as the
first two holes. I smell a conspiracy...as pointed
out on television, why would this type of ballot only
exist in a county there the majority of residents
(blacks and jewish) are pro-Gore? It doesn't add up.
\_ A conspiracy? Uhm, yeah. The ballot was created by
Democrats. Approved by Democrats. Published in the
newspapers. What friggin conspiracy? This wasn't
a hidden secret ballot popped up out of nowhere on
the unsuspecting populace. And while you're at it,
please explain how this conspiracy has changed the
results in other places like, oh, say, the exact same
ballot format where Jesse Jackson and "My Dad Stole
1960" Daley voted?
\_ apart from the much publicized "x to the right of
the name," the fact that Gore was the third hole
might also make the ballot illegal since Florida
law dictates that the candidates be listed in the
order of finish in the last gubernatorial race,
and I'm pretty sure the Reform Party didn't finish
second
\_ NO! NO! NO! GO READ THE LAW! Stop getting your
news off the tube! *I* _read_ the law and it does
*not* in any way dictate any such thing! Stop
spreading lies and propoganda! --Nader'04!
\_ Well, nowhere in the Constitution does it say voters have
to have any intelligence to vote. It's their own damn
fault for not reading & understanding the ballot clearly.
\_ Nowhere in the Constitution does it say that
voters should be given illegal ballots.
\_ its not illegal. Forms like that have been
used in the past, and the Democratic Official
for that area approved that ballot.
\_ Gore people are working to prove that it
is illegal. I think that's as much as can
be said on the pro-Gore side. And control
yourself next time, Senor "Prove it, bitch".
\_ That's a much different (and weaker) assertion
than "Florida law says it's illegal." Why
not admit you simply did not speak the truth?
Bitch.
\_ People like you need to sign their names.
Really.
\_ Nah. He just need a good bitch slap.
\_ Some of us (me) actually found the law on the
official Florida website. The idea that this
ballot was in any way illegal is a sham.
\_ Actually, it is technically illegal. By
Florida state law, the Democratic option
was supposed to be placed where Pat
Buchanan's spot was (which wasn't the case).
See S101.151(4) and S101.191(1999)
\_ Go re-read the entire law. This is not
so. Don't pick and choose individual
lines that support a particular
conclusion. The lawyers get paid a lot
more than you to do that already.
\_ It's 95% clear, that is, it was clear to 95% of Gore voters
in Palm Beach.
\_ also, it penalizes only stupid gore supporters. stupid bush
supporters were not given the same dilemma.
\_ There was no dilemma, only people too stupid to vote.
\_ But they are able to vote. Some of them must support Bush.
Those ones didn't have to be smart enough to read directions.
Besides, with a margin of 0.01% or so, the too-stupid-too-vote
probably make the difference.
\_ You really want the "too-stupid-too-vote" people deciding
who the President is? Honestly, if this was the exact same
situation except the names were reversed would you be saying
the vote in Hicktown, USA should get another chance bcause
Bubba was still hungover from his moonshine binge? No,
you probably wouldn't. Don't let your political bias color
your decision making process. --Nader'04! |
| 2000/11/9-10 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/California] UID:19697 Activity:nil |
11/9 I know this is unlikely (and not related to current election), but
what happens if there is a tie, either in the popular vote within a
state (barring voting irregularities, inconsistencies, ballot
stuffing, etc) or at electoral state level?
\_http://www.access.gpo.gov/congress/senate/constitution/toc.html
\_ I think that it goes to the house. |
| 2000/11/9-10 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/California] UID:19687 Activity:high |
11/9 In regards to the presidential race, check out ~dpetrou/petition.
\_ Don't be stupid. We don't have grade school "do-overs" in this
country because some morons can't read. In fact, I find it
frightening that anyone would seriously consider as valid the
opinion of someone so stupid they can't figure out how to punch
out a ballot properly. There *is* a minimum requirement in this
country to vote. You must be able to poke the right hole and only
one hole. If you can't do something *that* simple your
\_ look, even aspo, an otherwise intelligent individual, can't
figure out that he's been poking the wrong hole all along
\_ What if we have a legally enforced 'do-over'?
vote gets tossed out. Give it up. This is a Gore pipe dream.
\_ The ballot form looks reasonably clear to me. - Gore supporter
\_ The other equitable, but probably not legal, option would be
to take the ballots which selected multiple candidates and
give each candidate selected a fractional vote.
\_ That's not fair, then Gore would win.
\_ then i would want to switch my vote from nader to bush if they
get to do that crap.
\_ it would be hillarious if there were three rounds of,
"Okay, now whoever wants to switch votes, do so now"
{deleted a few older threads to save space, not to censor them} |
| 2000/11/9-10 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:19683 Activity:nil |
11/9 Maybe they're Pat's votes after all....
http://www.nationalreview.com/nr_comment/nr_comment110900c.shtml |
| 2000/11/9-10 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:19678 Activity:high |
11/8 Perhaps the electoral college should be changed to give each
candidate the number of electoral votes proportional to the
percentage of popular vote they win in that state. This would
make things a lot more exciting and the outcome of this
election wouldn't hang on a few thousand votes in FL.
\_ Why? Fuck that, use the popular vote.
\_ Fuck the popular vote. We live in the United
**STATES** of America, not the Undifferentiated Blob of
America. We don't want something like the following
happening: I was in IL for '96 Senate election.
Repub. won _every_ county; except, that is, Cook County
(where Chicago is) which is so huge and so
pro-Demo. that the Demo. won the election.
\_ More exiciting. Ties will be more common, making the
houses' role in elections important.
\_ with the advent of the whole internet thing, we'll
all hopefully be able to go back to a popular vote
system using email. a big important factor will be
security and preventing tampering with the system.
\_ "a big important factor will be security and
preventing tempering with the system." G'duh. And
you advocate this over e-mail? Please don't
procreate.
\_ Actually, voting over the internet has the
potential to be much more secure than voting
like we do now. -crypto grad student
\_ After reading some articles by constitutional lawyers, I think
that the Electoral College works well a designed. The founding
fathers wanted to ensure that large centers of population in a
few states did not dictate federal policy for all states. I'm
still amazed by the effectiveness of the constitution and of
the foresight demonstrated by the founding fathers.
\_ Can you explain a little bit more as to how one (Electoral
College) leads to the other (large centers of population not
dictating federal policy for all states)? It's not
apparent to me.
\_ Candidates would only need to visit big cities to win
the popular vote, ignoring the backwater hick-states
One problem I have with Electoral College, is that when
pupular election, I will feel that my vote always matters.
I am in a state clearly leaning one way or another, I
don't feel that my vote counts, whereas if it is a
popular election, I will feel that my vote always matters.
\_#t, esp. in CA. The only way individual CA votes mattered
in this election was that they tipped the popular vote,
which is meaningful, yet irrelevant to the EC president
selection system.
\_ CA wasn't the best example. It was getting sort of close,
and Gore had some last minute worries about CA.
You have new mail. |
| 2000/11/9-10 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/California] UID:19675 Activity:nil |
11/8 http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/news/archive/2000/11/08/politics2207EST1052.DTL&type=election For those who don't read the wallog. It's about the 19,000 ballots thrown out in Palm Beach Florida. |
| 2000/11/7 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:19662 Activity:high |
11/6 i no longer live in california. what absurd propositions are on the
ballet this year? (most entertaining only please.)
\_ There's a proposition to state fund the CSUA and Trevor
Buckingham's hot gay sex brothel.
\_ Ballot. Pathetic from a Cal alum posting on a machine with
dict installed. Glad you're not voting here. --dim |
| 2000/11/4 [Politics/Domestic/California, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA] UID:19644 Activity:high |
11/3 Support yer CSUA gals! Support Lila Patton and vote on
<DEAD>www.amiahotbabe.com!!!<DEAD>
\_ ew.
\_ to the site or to Lila?
\_ To each his/her own.
\_ is that you, kchang?
\_ "unable to locate the server <DEAD>www.amiahotbabe.com"<DEAD>
\_ do you mean http://amihotornot.com? |
| 2000/10/31 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:19610 Activity:nil |
10/30 Vote how much bull you think the candidates are saying.
http://politics.bayarea.com/election/docs/bull_question2.html |
| 2000/10/31 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:19605 Activity:low |
10/30 vote anarchy
\_ a vote for anarchy is a vote for yermom
\_ vote cthulhu, why choose the lesser of two evils, when you
can choose evil itself. |
| 2000/10/29-30 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:19598 Activity:very high |
10/29 Regarding all this voting stuff, urls, opinions, etc. Since at least
80% of sodans aren't going to vote, what's the point in discussing it
or bitching about the candidates? Is this just one of those motd
things?
\_ I believe that the 20% who are going to vote (or have already
voted) discuss their points of view on the motd. The honest
exchange of ideas (and opinions) is a good, our republic
was founded on it and sustains itself from it. ----ranga
\_ Vote Early. Vote Often.
\_ Speak for yourself. I am going to vote.
\_ And this is why I'd prefer if even more of you *didn't* vote.
Did I say "100%"? Nooooo.... If you can't read and understand
a simple sentence, you shouldn't be voting. -original poster
\_ keep in mind that 50%+ of the Sodans are _ineligible_ to vote as
non-citizens.
\_ Where do you get this information? --PeterM
\_ observation
\_ There was a green card check to join the CSUA?
\_ Based on the publically available list of known Sex
Offenders. Felons can't vote AIR. |
| 2000/10/25 [Politics/Domestic/California, Recreation/Humor] UID:19561 Activity:nil |
10/24 Vote:
User Friendly: ..
Dilbert: .
\_ what are these two voting for the worst comic stip of the decade?
Megatokyo: .
Crack-ho magzn: .
(yermom, that is)
Kevin and Kell (http://www.kevinandkell.com .
Blondie: . |
| 2000/10/25 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:19560 Activity:high |
10/24 I bought something AS IS on eBay and it doesn't work. Is it legal
(moral?) to resell it AS IS?
\_ if you know it's defective and don't identify it as such,
it's neither legal nor moral. -tom
\_ tom's opinion deleted.
\_ BS. Caveat Emptor. If you say AS IS, only someone who is
a total idiot would assume that it works. If you say AS IS
it may or may not work, then you cannot be held legally
responsible.
\_ On the legal grounds, what are you using to support that it
is illegal? On moral grounds, the device was $500... is the
correct moral thing to do claim that it is not in working
\_ Certainly that would be correct morally. There are plenty
of legal grounds for being able to collect damages from
people who knowingly sell defective products. -tom
condition and get what I can for it (maybe $250)?
\_ tom's opinion not respected
\_ Yes, but only if they do not state AS IS,
(perhaps working, perhaps not). And its
stupid to sell it for less than you bought
it. If some sucker is willing to pay you
for a broken POS more power to you.
\_ say no to tom
\_ look, troll, we know you're a stupid
coward, but it's trivially obvious that
selling known defective merchandise is
actionable fraud, whether or not you
say "as-is." -tom
\_ In California, you are now legally required to
tell a potential buyer if your house is
haunted...
\_ Yeah, but usually it just comes down to them
saying "it worked when it shipped" and then
your ass collecting the insurance money
from the post office...
\_ That's lying. It's illegal (insurance fraud) and
immoral. |
| 2000/10/21-22 [Politics/Domestic/California, Health/Men, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:19538 Activity:nil |
10/20 Screw Gore and Bush and especially Pat. Vote Quimby
http://www.quimby2000.com
\_ I'm voting Vader: <DEAD>www.vaderfor2000.org<DEAD>
\_ Well, look at how cool you are you hedonistic pinkhaired
shitkitten. God forbid should you have an original thought lest
in a somewhat related fit of your disrobed, impotent wisdom
you take to trollying in public your hamster-shaming gonads
with your ridiculeworthy genetalia as your mindless little
heart bleeds amidst my laughter to the current of your own
excretions... smeltsucking infantfelcher. - (fucker)
\_ Welcome back. We've missed you. |
| 2000/10/5 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:19413 Activity:insanely high |
10/4 Don't forget to REGISTER to vote before 10/10!
\_ This time, try registering nonpartisan. Gets them republicrats all
in a tizzy.
\_ Uh no. - registered republican
\_ What's the easiest way to register? Post Office? or should I
just stand on Sproul and wait for someone to come by asking me to
sign a petition. - unregistered
\_ Wait for one of the main annoying absentee ballot forms to
show up in your mailbox. Fill it out and then you can vote
in the privacy of your own home. In fact fill one out for
your friends, and help them all make the "informed" decision
they might otherwise not make. |
| 2000/9/29-10/1 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:19374 Activity:high |
9/29 Question for all the taiwanese members of soda. Why do most
citizens of taiwanese background keep voting democrat despite
the fact that democrats are setup to surrender taiwans freedom
to RED china. Similarly, why do jews vote democrat even when
it is apparent that democrats want to give as much of israel
as possible to the arabs?
\_ don't generalize; most citizens of taiwanese background don't vote;
they're too rich to give a shit
\_ don't generalize; most citizens of taiwanese background don't
vote; they're too rich to give a shit
\_ don't generalize; most citizens of taiwanese background
don't vote; they're too rich to give a shit
\_ Poor stupid fool: you're confusing political beliefs
on the American liberal/conservative deficrat/rejectican
dictate what Israel does, you are severly misguided.
scale with economic systems. Go back to preschool and
buy a clue from those as ignorant as you.
\_ Hmmm... Nice troll. What are you suggesting, that jews
should vote Republican and get in bed with Chrisitian
Coalition?
\_ Not all republicans are christians.
\_ And not all Christians are part of the Christian
Coalition
\_ Of course, but that's not the point. Republicans
it's a very complex issue, and if you think USA can
dictate what Israel does, you are severely misguided.
\_ Yeah but without all the US support Israel gets it would
be hard pressed to continue to exist.
represent more conservative (in some dimensions)
forces; jews tend to be more liberal. As for Israel
-- it's a very complex issue, and if you think USA
can dictate what Israel does, you are severely
misguided.
\_ Yeah but without all the US support Israel gets it
would be hard pressed to continue to exist.
\_ And then the nukes would fly! (or more correctly,
be driven to their destination) WooHoo! Onward to
the valley of Megiddon! Let's see if those new
testament wussies are really right.
\_ The question "why don't Jews vote republican" shows such
a fundamental lack of understanding about Judaism and Jewish
culture that is not really possible to answer it.
\_ not to mention there are plenty of jews who don't
agree with isreal's politics. Oh and BTW isreal
could survive without US intervention these days.
\_ not from a military standpoint. u.s. companies
equip much of israel. their sales are subject to
u.s.government approval. and some stuff have not
been ok. the fact israel has nukes is also in no
small part to the u.s.
\_ Maybe because said taiwanese & jews care more about what the
politicians want to do to this country since it affects them
directly, and no matter what they say, it won't really affect
taiwan & israel directly.
\_ To know the answer, go and read their public forums.
The answer is pretty silly. I got depressed reading them.
\_ The question "why don't Jews vote Republican" shows such
a fundamental lack of understanding about Judaism that it
is not really possible to answer it.
\_ Nowhere in my question do I ask why they don't vote
Republican, rather my interest is in determining why
the insist on voting democrat. There are other alternatives
to the democratic party. |
| 2000/9/26 [Politics/Domestic/California, Recreation/Media] UID:19327 Activity:nil |
9/25 <DEAD>www.vaderfor2000.org<DEAD> - vote for vader! |
| 2000/8/23 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:19074 Activity:nil |
8/22 Any reason why I should/should not join California Alumni Association?
\_ there is exactly one reason: this is the cheapest way to have
access to the uc berkeley library after you graduate. if you join
you get a card automatically, and to get a library card as
justa random person (they dont give a fuck that you are an
alum unless you join) is about twice as expensive.
\_ You can get discounts on membership to RSF too, but it's still
over $40 a month. |
| 2000/8/22-23 [Recreation/Computer/Games, Politics/Domestic/California] UID:19066 Activity:high |
8/21 Don't you think an ex-USCA co-op resident, and better yet,
current CSUA member, would make a passable Survivor contestant?
^contestant^actor --psb
\_ No. I don't. The first 2 losers kicked off the island were the
only 2 bay area people. Think about that.
\_ What are you trying to say psb?
\_ The coops were a ZOG survivor contest. -John
\_ ausman! ausman! ausman! ausman!
\_ I have never even seen this show before. Think I really ought
to apply? -ausman
\_ I can't think of anyone more perfect, Jim.
\_ yes. Next show is in January. Everybody apply!
inmates fight one another. I think this has happened before.
\_ The show will become markedly stranger if we get 3+ sodans
on there. Let's go everyone, apply!!!
\_ How much of a bribe would it take to say, the Chinese government,
to have a deathmatch-oriented survivor. "No games. No rules.
No mercy.", where the contestents are encouraged to knock each
other off?
\_ Get a job as a California prison guard, then make the
inmates fight one another. "deathmatch-oriented survivor"
is played out everyday in the prisons. Join the fun!
\_ there is a new reality based show coming out called
jailbreak. People become prisoners and try to break
out of prison.
\_ CA penal system is a bit more organized than Survivor, eh?
They have gangs, or one-on-ones, or "group vs.
child molester" altercations, which arent really the same.
It ends up being bigger beats smaller. Plus, it's not co-ed.
\_ well, the winners don't get a million dollars.
\_ They would not allow that. The kidney trade is too lucrative
to risk damaging the goods.
\_ USCAers would not survive unless it was a contest to "make your
own granola" or "score some drugs". CSUAers would never survive
unless it was a "virtual survivor" where you are a character
in a video game. Of course both would win if it was a "how long
can I last without showering" contest.
\_ you call that winning? |
| 2000/7/12-14 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:18648 Activity:high |
7/11 Question. I'm an out-of-state resident and I'm supposed to get
a California driver's license because my insurance company won't
cover me anymore. First of all, why is the California DMV so
slow at issuing a new license (1 month). It's a stupid plastic
card with a hologram on it (less sophisticated than my company
ID which only took 5 minutes to make). Second of all, how in the
world are we supposed to get around for a month in situations
where banks ask "can I see your photo ID please" when they take
away our old licenses?
\_ It's called a passport. Do you have one, or are you a hick?
\_ Or a credit card with your picture on it.
\_ tell dmv that you lost your old license. dont know what
california requires, but when i told the dmv here that i
lost my cal license they told me to ask california for
proof (which i got with a phone call and a wait of three
weeks). got the other state license (maryland) without
actually giving up my california one (still valid until
2004). in short: tell lies and be patient.
\_ They took your old license? Why? When I moved to California,
the guy at the DMV took my out-of-state license, punched a hole
in it (through the expiration date), handed it back to me, and
explained that it was for exactly that reason. I still have it.
\_ Same here, except they put a sticker on that said something
like "For temporary identification use only." -alan-
\_ Why can't someone have both a valid license from California and
a valid one from another state?
\_ because states only grant licenses to residents and you
can't be a resident of two states at once
\_ Looks like you should go to the private sector. BTW, it takes them
6 months to make my card. - muchandr
\_ But, But, But, thats becuase everyone loves you so much!
\_ DMV gives you a piece of paper called 'Temporary Driver License'.
Carry this around with you (yes, I know they're bulky) because
it is a valid piece of ID. Then bring any picture ID you have; even
it is a valid piece of ID.
\_ No it's not; in fact it says "not valid for identification" right
on it. They took my NJ license when I moved here, it was very
inconvenient.
What's really annoying is that good drivers only have to go
to the DMV every 12 years for a renewal, while you have to go
in every 6 years for an ID card. -tom
\_It's only 5 years for good driver renewals, actually
\_ Nah, did mine by mail. Been driving 15 years.
Then bring any picture ID you have; even
your old Cal Berkeley ID. I agree with everyone here; DMV should NOT
have taken your out-of-state driver license but rather void the DL
and hand it back to you. As for the argument for having TWO DLs from
different state is due to consistency issue (I guess). Someone
explained it to me a long time ago, just can't remember.
\_ Finally *someone* mentioned the temporary CDL. And yes, bring
and use your passport until you have a CDL.
\_ You can't buy a gun with the paper temp CDL. Pisses me off.
\_ I'm pro-gun but I'm glad certain people are too stupid to
manage to buy one.
\_ When i was 19 and lived in the dorms, the guy down the hall
made me a Calif Driver's License for $50. Got it in 2 days.
\_ Yeah and then a cop runs the number and arrest your dumb
freshy ass.
\_ I got my new photo ID in 15 days. And registration sticker in
less thanthat. The DMV hates you out-of-staters, so they purposely
sent your license to the wrong address. |
| 2000/6/8-9 [Politics/Domestic/California, Recreation/Food, Recreation/Media] UID:18434 Activity:insanely high |
4/69 I've heard of Survivor. But is it really worth watching?
\_ Hell yes. Did anyone tape it last night? Or will it be on
again Saturday?
\_ is it like the Real World?
\_ Basically. But they eat rats and nasty shit. They have
to dig their own latrines, work out the lack of toilet
paper issue. Every week one of the teams votes one of
their own off the island. They dramatize it and make it
really harsh. Good entertainment. Richard needs to die.
\_ It seems like most of them are pricks ... even the
nice ones.
\_ Richard is homosexual... I hope this isn't why you
want him dead.
\_ Gawd did anyone else see them eat the beetle larva last night?
That was disgusting. I can't imagine those people that seemed
to swallow it whole.
\-when is it on? i couldnt find it. --psb
\_ on Wednesdays at 8pm, CBS...and CBS is repeating it this
Saturday night at 10pm. It's on the CBS homepage. --chris
\_ I can't wait till Smash TV comes out. -geordan |
| 2000/5/30-6/1 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:18367 Activity:very high |
5/30 anyone stupid enough to join the cal alumni society know of any
other benefits other than a stupid plate cover, another email
address, and the constant harrassing for donations? i thought
about joining but there doesn't seem to be a single reason.
-- troll baiter
\_ What email address? -Alum soc. member
\_ yourname@alum.calberkeley.org
\_ it buys you connections, but not always...
\_ you don't need to be in the society to get constantly harassed
for donations... - Bitter Alum
\_ I haven't ever been harassed, but I spent the $400
when I graduated to become a life member. I'm not
sure what its good for though, the only tangable
benefit (if you can call it that) for me is getting
the California magazine. I'm not sure about the
library use though, do you need a special library
card or alum card? I don't have either.
\_ I pledged $200 and then refused to send in the check.
After 4 or 5 letters, they gave up, and never called again ever.
\_ UC library use and rsf discounts if you are close to any of these
- stupid cal alumni society member
\_ I got the library use without paying. --another cal alum
\_ Uh, how? -- Marco
\_ Uh, use your student ID. -- Polo
\_ Uh, use your student ID. -- Paolo
\_ Uh, use your student ID. -- Polo (don't change the name)
\_ uh, that doesn't work when you're NOT A VALID STUDENT
\_ I just whined and said I didn't have time to fill
out the forms and could I just use it the one time.
Always works. New student staff everytime.
\_ California magazine.
\_ You're supposed to put a " :-) " after a joke.
\_ I think they help you build up your human network for advancing
your career, or so I read. -- yuen
\_ Yeah right. You can talk to all the other fuzzy majors
about the latest burger flipping techniques and speed
filling a tank?
\_ hey, that info's important. --philosophy major
\_<DEAD>www.alumni.berkeley.edu/membership/index_new.html#benefits<DEAD> |
| 2000/4/13 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:17998 Activity:kinda low |
4/12 To the person who was asking about California tax law regarding
capital gains: "California does not conform to the federal
reduced capital gains tax rates. California taxes capital gains
at the same rate as other types of income." From CA 540 Sched D.
Of course, information from the motd is worth what you pay for it.
-ausman
\_ I see. Thanks a bunch! |
| 2000/4/12-16 [Politics/Domestic/California, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:17986 Activity:kinda low |
4/12 screen-3.9.5 installed as screen.new -- it's not compatible with the
old version, so I won't install it as screen until all the old screen
processes are dead. There's a list of new features (including split-
screen support) in /csua/tmp/screen-3.9.5+idle/NEWS. --mconst
\_ what escape key combination have any of you found to conflict
the least with existing programs? C-a seems to be used quite
often. Also, is there a way to make the new shell start with the
same terminal type as the shell that invoked screen (it always
thinks the terminal type is screen, but I'd like it to be vt100
or xterm, whichever one I started screen with).
\_ I use CNTRL-D: alias screen="screen -e^Dd". For the term
type I think that it is -T <type>. Just use a function:
screen () {
if [ -z "$TERM" ] ; then TERM=vt100 ; fi
/usr/bin/screen -e^Dd -T "$TERM" "$@"
}
\_ Wow.. this person has scary ways of doing things that
will tend to break. Please don't listen to them. Use ^O.
Set it in your .screenrc. Set your term to vt100 in your
.screenrc. You'll be happy.
\_ What's wrong with Control-D? It prevents you from
accidentally logging out as a side effect. I prefer
xterm to vt100 since meta works correctly for
emacs -nw when term is set to vt100. Yes I mostly
use xterms.
\_ How do you wall???
\_ Did someone mention
useless functionality? ;-)
\_ I never wall. On the boxes I admin, I
just kill everyone's processess
and then sync x 3 and init 5 (or 6) to
reboot.
\_ Hm, I use ^D as delete in emacs. And ^O for various
other things in pine. Any other suggestions?
\_ use a better mail reader
\_ emacs uses every key that exists and a few that don't
\_ I use ^o ... other than it being oflush in telnet, it's
unused. -geordan
\_ I use the spacebar. Since I'm only using the mouse for almost
everything, this rarely conflicts. |
| 2000/4/11-12 [Politics/Domestic/California, Reference/Tax] UID:17971 Activity:moderate |
4/11 Does California tax long-term at a lower rate than short-term capital
gains with like the federal does? I just filled out Form 540
but it taxed all my capital gains as ordinary income. Thanks.
\_ Yeah, unfortunately that is the case when I did my taxes with
TurboTax. :( Owed a LOT of money in Federal for cashing out an
ESPP stock, got hit by FTB again as ordinary income. :(
\_ You did your taxes wrong then. Long-term (stock held for more
than one year) gains are taxed at 20%. Short-term gains are taxed
at your income rate (probably 31 or 36%).
\_ Max CA state income tax rate is ~9%. You're confusing
state & feds.
\_ That's what the federal tax return does, but I can't find where
the California tax return separates long-term gains from
short-term gains and ordinary income. |
| 2000/3/31 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics] UID:17902 Activity:nil |
3/30 "Whether or not AA is good is independant of the fact that Equal
Opportunity statements are contradictory to AA. Does anyone have
a response to this abuse of language issue?". First, let's take a
specific, known institution: UC. See
http://cois.chance.berkeley.edu/compliance/employ.html and
http://www.ucop.edu/humres/policies/sp-2.html Current UC AA is
much different than older AA. Older AA set quotas, less older AA
used race/gender as a factor in addition to merit, more recent AA
had race-limited outreach, and current AA lacks quotas, the race
factor, and race-limited outreach, but does two things: Promote
an atmosphere of "equal opportunity", and maintain non-race-based
outreach programs. The atmosphere is created by things like: (1)
Appending a phrase, like "[All] Qualified applicants are
encouraged to apply[, including women and minorities]", (2) Making
sure the job has been publicized through women and minority
channels in addition to the traditional ones (which may be
accessible mainly to non-minority groups), (3) Having literature
that says there is no discrimination (the non-discrimination
clause in the 1st paragraph of the first URL). The outreach
programs used to be race-based, but because of Prop 209 should
have been opened to all ethnic groups. This is AA as UC currently
implements it. UC has no contradiction in its non-discrimination
and AA statements. Unfortunately I'm not sure what the nationwide
breakdown is on AA implementation; quotas are definitely out,
factors are discouraged to some extent, and I think race-based
outreach is what most institutions do these days.
http://www.dol.gov/dol/esa/public/regs/compliance/ofccp/how2/ofcpch4.h!
shows what the federal government thinks current AA for the
construction industry should be like; notice how similar it is to
UC AA. |
| 2000/3/25-26 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:17852 Activity:high |
3/24 ROMEO MUST DIE, 9:30pm, California Theatre
tonight! come one come all!
\_ So? Was it any good?
\_ many people seemed to hate it but you know what, if it was a
Hong Kong movie those same people would be raving about it.
\_ i haven't had time to see it, but my friend gave it a positive
review in regards to entertainment value. Jet Li's English
was notably good, from all sources, as compared to jackie
chan and chow yun fat.
\_ fun, stupid, and he says about 10 lines in english |
| 2000/3/24-25 [Politics/Domestic/California, Reference/BayArea] UID:17843 Activity:high |
3/23 CSUA donutsP trip to the new Krispy Kreme in Union City.
When should we go?
\_ Why should we go?
\_ Krispy Kreme == decent donuts with alot of hype...
not any better than Kingpin in my opinion.
\_ Cold, they're not, but still warm, they crush Kingpin (even
warm Kingpin). -dans
\_ i might be cajoled into driving -brg
\_ suggestion: call ahead and find out their hours for the "hot light"
krispy kreme is in general just okay. _except_ when they are "hot"
then their donuts are exceptional and like nothing else out there.
they are "hot" only during certain hours (eg between 6 am - 11 am
and again at 6 pm - 11 pm). what "hot" means is that they give you
donuts that have just come out of the fryer and have just been
glazed. they really are _warm_ and you can still taste the eggs
that went into them. there is no better snack than these "hot"
krispy kreme donuts. they are soooo fresh! -hahnak
\_ Is this some kind of joke or porn reference?
\_ I was wondering the same thing....
\_ in all likelihood it's just the initial KK elation syndrome
you'll be the same way once you've had your first KK donut
\_ A few friends of mine went down there the other day and waited
in line for 2+ hours until one guy just went up and bribed the
first person with a dozen donuts to buy him a dozen... it seems
like this is the way it always is there. My point: I dont think
this warm/not-warm thing is really an issue since it seems like
they are always making donuts to try and satisfy the huge hordes
who could just be going to Kingpin.
\- my guess would be the KK operation has fewer cockroaches
than KP. seriously. the donuts are much better but that is
admittedly a matter of taste ... unlike cockroaches, i assume
--psb
\_ hey nice job associating their donuts with the
filthiest creatures alive. Asshole. - #psb#1h8r
\_ You are beneath the lowest of the lowliest of
the lowest of cockroaches! How dare you even
think about the possibility of offending the
psb?! When caught, you'll die by your own
words, you fiend! A thousand KP cockroaches
force fed down your throat! --psb #1 Fan
\_ !psb for president! Why vote for a lesser
evil?
\_ Bah! You're reusing the Cthulhu line. Try
"Vote !psb. Isn't 12 years of psb enough?"
\_ It's been more than 12 years and
I've been loving every minute of
it!!! --psb #1 Fan
\_ People...it's a DONUT. Why all the excitement? There are
plenty of good places for donuts if you know where to look
without having to go to a specialty chain like KK! Even
that hole in the wall place on Euclid has yummy stuff to
eat...(is it still there?)
\_ But... but... oh nevermind. |
| 2000/3/17 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:17787 Activity:nil |
3/17 Vermont passes law allowing queers the same rights as married people.
However, unlike attempts in California, Vermont queers don't try to
poison marriage. Vermont queers = smart. California queers = stupid
selfish whining losers. I would have voted for the Vermont law if it
was a California proposition. Since queers made such a fuss out of a
simple and obvious issue like prop 22, they just lose here. Screwed
themselves again, as usual. |
| 2000/3/9 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:17727 Activity:nil |
3/8 somebody said in the lefty-commie-liberal thread:
Because you're a leftist and normal people are retaking the
country. Maybe we need to pass an initiative giving lefties 10
votes for every normal vote? A sort of affirmative action for
leftists at the ballot box? Then maybe some of that garbage
will pass.
what garbage exactly are you referring to? we have to spend
most elections trying desperately to prevent the conservative
kneejerk scapegoating garbage from passing...
\_ you both need to read "memoirs found in a bathtub" by stanislaw
lem right now.
\_ Conservative kneejerk scapegoating like legalizing pot? Uhm...huh?
Most propositions are heavy handed lefty big government nonsense.
Most moderates and the right wing don't think it takes a village to
raise a child or to collect even higher taxes to give away to the
undeserving. Or believe in failed socialist agenda that has
consistently failed all over the world for almost 100 years.
\_ The statement would have been funny if it were not true. In reality
the lefties are trying to get exactly this sort of thing passed. See
prop 26.
\_ Your very words depict exactly the situation that is occuring, but
not the way you think. Since you're incapable of clear and
independent though, please allow to me to spell it out for you:
"kneejerk"ing only happens after you hit someone's knee in the first
place. If you stop kicking normal people's knees, we'll stop what
you call kneejerking. Scapegoating is a lefty agenda item. "Oh!
Woe is me! I'm a minority and I need $150m spent in my SF
neighborhood in reparations! And oh woe! All blacks (_not_
hyphenated-Americans) need reparations, too! Everything is someone
else's fault! Da Whitey Man dun it too me! Kill Whitey! Only Da
Whitey Cracka Man kan be racist!" Your kneejerk label is obviously
intended to paint anyone who disagrees with you as unthinking and
reflexive, but that couldn't be further from the truth. Maybe the
2/3rds of the voting public is just stupid and fascist and evil
and shouldn't have the right to vote or first amendment rights
along with those lefty affirmative action voting rights? You plan
on voting for that traitor Al Gore who took foreign money in trade
for selling out his country? |
| 2000/3/8 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:17716 Activity:very high |
3/8 How come everything I vote for gets defeated and everything I
vote against passes?
\_ Um, because you're (by definition) in the minority?
\_ Because you're a leftist and normal people are retaking the
country. Maybe we need to pass an initiative giving lefties 10
votes for every normal vote? A sort of affirmative action for
leftists at the ballot box? Then maybe some of that garbage
will pass.
\_ You laugh, but a person I know suggested just that.
\_ Was he a leftist? Its the sort of thing that a leftist
would suggest. And when did we start calling them leftists
rather than using proper terms like PUTRID COMMIE SCUM
or REDS?
\_ Commie mutant traitors!
\_ that menace has passed. The current watchwords should
probably be: QUEER GODLESS BONDAGE FAERIES!
\_ "normal people are retaking the country." this is one of the
more ridiculous delusions I've heard from a conservative for a
while. Thinking that people should be free to choose who they
marry, whether or not a woman should have the right to choose
to have a baby or not makes us black-blooded pinko commie reds.
Oh, the moral degradation. Society is going to crumble under
the torrent of porn and bomb-making instructions that the
subversive liberals are unleashing over the internet. Man, I
guess everyone should want to be a normal, red-blooded,
church-going, other-hating, trolling white male like you. -dans
\_ Uh oh, the lefties are sticking words in someone else's mouth
again. Where did I say anything about the right to choose?
Lost on the marriage proposal by crushing numbers so you have
to duck and weave and change the topic? Typical Clintonite.
No one said anything about internet first amendment rights or
going to church or being white or being male or church going
or anything else. How easy to stick a label on something to
make it easily smearable rather than talking openly and
honestly about your agenda to bring about a 'do anything
you want and screw everyone else' society. You need some new
labels. Your old labels are all worn out and used up. No one
cares about your thought control 'political correctness' crap
anymore. Thankfully the poison of SF hasn't spread to the
rest of the state and now it's clear it never will.
\_ All I did was extend your (flawed) logic out to its
natural conclusion. If you don't like that conclusion,
perhaps you should rethink your assumptions. And, since
you're talking about putting words in peoples' mouths and
slapping labels on people, how did I begin a Clintonite,
and a typical one at that? As usual, your logic has more
holes than swiss cheese. Let me know when you have a
well reasoned argument instead of "you called me a name,
I'm telling on you!" for a response. -dans
\_ No. You brought up isues and claimed they were my
positions and then slammed me for them. Tell me,
who'd you vote for in the last 2 elections? Was it
Bush/Dole, Clinton/Clinton, or the Communist party
candidate?
\_ yeah, whatever happened to "to each his own"?
\_ But, honey, if people of the same sex can have loving
marriages, it will reveal what a truly shallow and weak
relationship we have, and then I'd have to divorce you.
Now get back down there.
\_ Have a cookie, troll. Now go run along and play.
\_ Have your own. Don't call it marriage. Go pass a bill
to give yourself the same civil rights but don't call it
marraige. You'll get higher taxes, divorce court, child
support issues and all the rest of it.
\_ Um, child support?
\_ You weren't aware gay people can both adopt children
and are still biologically capable of it as well? I
said child support and meant it. Think it through.
\_ Yeup. Now hopefully we can pass a law to stop
that travesty of nature as well. |
| 2000/3/8 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:17712 Activity:nil |
3/7 where can I see current proposition results online?
\_ Typically you have to wait until the polls close. That's 5pm on the
East Coast. Check any website (CNN, local tv station/paper) for
results after that.
\_ That's 11pm east coast, unless you mean east coast of Maui
8pm PST. 7:50 BKST
\_ http://vote2000.ss.ca.gov starting at 8pm |
| 2000/3/7 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:17707 Activity:nil |
3/7 DON'T FORGET TO VOTE!
\_ what if you forgot to register? |
| 2000/3/6 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:17705 Activity:nil |
3/6 VOTE TUESDAY YOU APATHEIC MORONS
\_ what, is there an election tomorrow |
| 2000/3/3-4 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:17684 Activity:nil |
3/2 http://news.excite.com/news/r/000303/03/japan-suicide Nothing wrong in the this boy's life yet he tosses himself out the window. Vote No on Prop 22! |
| 2000/2/16-17 [Politics/Domestic/California, Reference/BayArea] UID:17524 Activity:high |
2/16 more disturbing than the other la story:
http://www.latimes.com/news/front/20000215/t000014741.html
\_ Yeah. And the California politicians are trying to get
handguns out of the hands of private citizens so THESE
bozos can protect us (!?). "Uh, I dunno, I just shot him."
Apparently one needs a gun not only to protect oneself
from the criminals, but from the police as well. -- ilyas
\_ Thank you for another impecably reasoned post, ilyas! You
\_ Thank you for another impeccably reasoned post, ilyas! You
are an inspiration, an example for the rest of of us
\_ It's 'impeccably,' my illiterate, cowardly friend.
At any rate, feel free to trust the police and the
government if you wish. I am sure they have your best
interests at heart. -- ilyas
motd slobs to aspire to! Thank you! -- ilyas' #2 fan
\_ This is all libertarian propoganda from the anti-police LA media.
You don't seriously believe the LA Times can get a story like this
right, do you? --long time LA resident and LA Times reader
\_ ignore paolo. he knows nothing about anything, yet
jumps at any chance to display his ignorance.
\_ It says that you *DELIBERATELY CHOOSE* not to live in a
crime-free, corruption-free, pollution-free, traffic-jam-
free ecotopia like the beautiful San Francisco Bay Area!
So you must be brain-dead and you deserve every bad thing
you get, you yuppie-scum, urban-sprawling, single-
occupant-vehicle-driving Southern Californian, you!
\_ traffic-jam-free? Has the Bay Area changed that much
since I was at Cal? -emin
\_ That was sarcasm and deserved paolo bashing.
\_ wow paolo, you almost managed to eke out a tiny and entirely
personal attack which completely ignored my point about the
trash that is the LA Times. Come back when you have mastered
something beyond the "sticks and stones".
\_ I wouldn't trust the police if I were you. The police is not
your friend. -- !sky
\_ Sky? Is that you? I thought you were in Europe with the
guys you met in prison?
\_ the fact that you choose to live in LA speaks alot about
yourself. -paolo
\_ It does? What does it say? --dim (also LA resident)
\_ It says paolo is the kind of person who says "alot".
\_ But whatever its faults, the LA Times still beats out the
SF Comical. The only time I was ever thankful for the
Chron/Ex combination was during the two summers I lived in
New Mexico and my only choice of paper was the *Albuquerque
Journal* (which consisted entirely of AP/Reuters pieces and
"local color" articles -- "This Sunday: 10,000 More Things
You Can Do With Chili Peppers!")
and other lesser places. Other local pieces focus
\_ I cancelled my Comical subscription years ago. They
dump a free one on my door every time the delivery
guy changes and the paper never gets any paper. It
isn't much different from the Albuquerque Journal.
The Comical is AP/Reuters pieces shredded to fit
and local color articles about how SF is the
greatest city in the world (according to local
pollsters :-) ) and much better than NYC, SJ, LA,
and other lesser places.
\_ but they're right on that one.
Other local pieces focus
on the politcally correct and evils of the center
and right wing. I'd rather read about chili peppers.
At least that would be informative. Does the AJ
deliver out here? :-) |
| 2000/2/2-3 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:17410 Activity:moderate |
2/2 Less than one week left to register to vote in the March elections.
\_ Oh? Thanks. Amazing that the motd can actually be good for
something at times.
\_ http://vote2000.ss.ca.gov to see who & what there is to vote
for/against on March 7 |
| 2000/1/30 [Politics/Domestic/California, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA] UID:17377 Activity:high 75%like:17372 75%like:17378 |
1/29 Vote for your favourite CSUA male:
phillip 2
lila 1
\_ is this because i talk about my penis so much? -lila
\_ there you go again
kane 5
tom 1
elm 1
psb! 1 - psb #1 fan
\_ You are *not* the --psb #1 Fan --psb #1 Fan
Fuzzy Bunny 1080388899039883710298775773838102-3@782898.30923$3!!!
!psb 100 |
| 2000/1/30 [Politics/Domestic/California, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA] UID:17373 Activity:insanely high 75%like:17378 |
1/29 Vote for your favorite CSUA female:
-lila 1.6
-reeser 42
-chris -10 * i
-kchang port 6667
-kiersten 1
-ahm 1
-jkoh 1
-sony 3
-tjb 1 for each professor who wants hot gay sex with tjb
-alissa 1 |
| 2000/1/30 [Politics/Domestic/California, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA] UID:17372 Activity:high 75%like:17377 |
1/29 Vote for your favorite CSUA male:
phillip 2
lila 1
kane 5
tom 1
elm 1
psb! 1 - psb #1 fan
!psb 100
\_ is this because i talk about my penis so much? -lila
kane 5
tom 1
elm 1
psb! 1 - psb #1 fan
!psb 100 |
| 1999/12/29-2000/1/1 [Reference/Tax, Politics/Domestic/California] UID:17120 Activity:moderate |
12/29 Does anyone remember the name of the city (located in Northern
California) where they use their own printed money? And the name
of their currency? I think it is called something like EcoDollar
or EcoMoney or something like that.
\_ Don't the Feds get really angry when people do that?
\_ Depends on how they do it. A system of IOU's and promisary
notes isn't illegal.
\_ you have to pay taxes on them though right?
\_ No idea. I'm guessing no.
\_ umm, I tihnk the government would crush them then
\_ Depends. If it's just IOU's there's no income. This is
all assuming the original post wasn't a troll anyway.
\_ then why don't all corperations use legally binding
IOUs intead of currency? I bet it is taxable.
\_ If it's just IOU's what's the point? Everyone
just runs up massive debts until the whole town
is bankrupt? At some point the IOU's have to be
paid off, either with cash or in exchange for
something else, both of which are taxable. The
IRS will go after people who use non-cash barter
to try and avoid taxes.
\_ In exchange for other IOU's, items, or services.
Yes, there was an economy before the IRS and
before cash. |
| 1999/12/24-28 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Gay] UID:17098 Activity:high |
12/23 All pro-child molestor spew from aspo & bh on down has been removed.
Don't get confused. This was intentional. If you think this is a
troll, I don't care. aspo and bh sicken me.
\_ what were they saying that i missed? -- swings
\_ read ~mehlhaff/tmp/motd,v to escape the censorship of
this loser.
\_ advocating gay marriage is child molester crap? -aspo
\_ No, it was sickening spew. Go read mehlhaff's file if you care.
\_ Summary: Same-sex marriage is the wrong answer. Removing
government involvment/benefits from marriage is
better.
\_ you know there are non governemnt benefits
to being married. For instance my spouse gets
my health care if I get married. That has
nothing to do with the government. -aspo
\_ Someone please tell me exactly what these
so called 'benefits' are? You'd like the
option for unmarried couples to pay more
taxes? What government benefits? -married
\_ Automatic inheritance. Much better
odds of being allowed to adopt a
child or even retain custody of your
own children. Insurance coverage.
\_ Automatic inheritance? No thanks.
Any idea how screwed you get if
there's no will? Adopt? Some
crack child? Yeah right. Retain
custody? Why would I have lost
it if I had it in the first
place? Insurance: your company
just sucks. Mine allows me to
add anyone I want if I pay. Or
even better is that my wife works
and has her own insurance, so I
still don't see the BFD deal here.
\_ Unfortunately, marriage is also associated with
the "right" to be parents in many peoples minds.
To truly fix the system, the state should declare
marriage a religious ceremony it no longer has
anything to do with, and make all people who want
the traditional marriage benefits sign a
domestic partnership contract (gets rid of the
whole pre-nup mess as well, since that would be
included in the contract). Those who want to be
parents should be required to get a license,
everyone else given mandatory birth control. Then
you've taken both religion & genetics out of the
picture, and prevented a whole lot of unwanted
pregnancies and children born to people who can't
or won't take care of them.
\_ Mandatory birth control? Are you nuts? You want
a government controlled eugenics program?! This
doesn't sound like Nazi-ism to you? Aren't you
now just 'fixing the problem' (as you see it)
with an even more nightmarish solution? Right
now marriage confers a few minor benefits. In
your Orwellian hell, The State suddenly has
insanely powerful new controls over the average
citizen. I'm no Libertarian but you're way way
waaaaaay whacko. Please tell me this was a
troll and that I don't share the planet with
anyone who really thinks like this.
\_ Did you ever read "A Simple Proposal" in
high school? Did you think he really
meant it or was it "just a troll"?
\_ Do you mean Swift's "A Modest Proposal"
(Babies as gourmet dish) or are you
referring to something else? Purely
literary curiosity. -dans
\_ Yes I read it but the above was not
written in the same tone or style.
\-A simple plan + a modest proposal = a simple proposal --psb
\_ oh yeah right, we should just leave everyone
with the ability to have kids, and penalize
them if they act irresponsibly with that
ability. A pity the government could not
do the same with the ability to own guns.
\_ "we"? Which we? I don't want _you_ to
decide if _I_ can have kids and I doubt you
want me to make the same decision for you.
\_ If you're gay, YOU CANT "have kids".
Your only options are to pervert nature
even more.
The whole idea is truly scary. Since when
is the Government the best decision making
body for how citizens should live their
lives? Did you grow up in the United
States of America? And, no, there's no
real penalty in this country for doing a
shitty job raising your kids. If you've
ever dealt with the family court system
you would know that. -dealt with fcs
\_ Actually, about a third of sodans
did not grow up in the USA. (Most
of them apparently grew up in
Russia it seems, but that's a
better example of government
incompetence.)
\_ It shows. Few Americans would
want the government this involved
in their lives. The Founders
would spin in their graves. Much
blood has been spilled to keep
the government out of daily life
on issues far less important.
____________________________________________________/
As a Sodan who grew up in Russia, I can tell you that
you are seriously misguided as to the amount any given
citizen of the said country _wants_ the government in
his life. The idea above is idiotic (and double so if a
troll) by anyone's standards. Americans aren't as special
as they apparently think.
\_ Well _some_ clueless moron obviously _wants_ the government
to decided who is allowed to have kids and not. And _that_
\_ I grew up underneath a table in
the WEB. When I reached the age
of 18, I emerged and joined OCF
Staff.
spawn more overlords _/
is what I was going off about.
\_ [Summary: Some people want the US to be a super fascist government
controlled state, others don't, aspo proposal may or may not make
ballot, make or may not become law, if passed other states will
write anti-ss-marriage laws, supreme court will side with states
and CA law would only apply within CA, come the revolution aspo
and bf will be first against the wall, bh needs help but as no
one denied this bh threads died out quickly]
\_ HA! I'm gonna be a member of the firing squad. -aspo
\_ No one puts obnoxious jerks like you on the trigger side
of the rifle.
\_ Except, of course, the police department.
\_ The police have higher standards than aspo. He'd
never make it. They require very _basic_ mental
and emotional stability for starters.
\_ Really? ^^^^^^^^^^^ guess that explains a lot
\_ No, really, "stability" like I said. Go
ahead and wipe the motd if you like but
don't change the meaning of other's words.
"stability" restored. All you whiny "I hate
cops" anarchist idiots need a good clubbing
in a back alley to remind you why you can
walk down the street without a gun in your
pocket.
\_ I'm just happy to see you.
\_ Wow. That was almost clever. Keep
trying -- maybe you'll get it right
someday, kid.
\_ I'm just happy to see you.
\_ Even less so the 2nd time. |
| 1999/12/22-27 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:17088 Activity:nil |
12/22 for those of you with office accounts, log in and hose neuromancer.csua
I'm stress testing this box. - paolo [date corrected for CA time] |
| 1999/12/21-24 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:17080 Activity:nil |
12/21 What's a good ISP for Southern California?
\_ ED! ED! ED is the STANDARD! Southern California Internet
Service Provider.
\_ Earthlink |
| 1999/11/8-9 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:16847 Activity:moderate |
11.8 Vote NO on the new sports referendum - why?
-it raises money to maintain non-revenue men's sports, and doesn't
raise money for women's sports.
-the bulk of the money raised will be spent on expanding the RSF.
-it will raise your student fees by over $130 next year, and cause
subsequent fee increases of over $200 over the next three or four
years.
\- YOU CANNOT STOP MY DESIRE FOR CHIKS IN TIGHTS SO GIVE IT UP
-the bulk of the money raised will be spent on expanding the RSF.
-it will raise your student fees by over $130 next year, and cause
subsequent fee increases of over $200 over the next three or four
years.
\_ and money has already been allocated for the RSF, and Title IX
is supposed to take care of balancing men's and women's sports.
\_ I'm not on campus so I don't know the details but if this is a
"should we charge ourselves a few bucks for sports stuff", you
should vote no on the general principle that fees like this never
go away, never go down, and never end up spent on the stuff they're
supposed to be spent on. Go check out your latest CARS statement.
(Or whatever they call the billing system now). See the "Campus
Fee"? How much? It started in the 70's as a $10 fee. Think about
it. Yes, I also vote against all bond measures and other forms
of tax-n-spend take-from-the-middle-class-to-give-to-the-government
programs. Never vote to tax yourself. Someone else is always happy
to do that for you. |
| 1999/8/30-31 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:16433 Activity:insanely high |
8/30 Under how many weeks of pragnency is abortion legal in California?
\_ I have heard that they have now legalized abortion up to the
40th trimester. - sameer
\_ Umm, it normally only goes up to 3 trimesters.
\_ After the third trimester, it's called "retroactive."
\_ That's one HELL of a pregnancy
\_ Sort of like the 4th book in a trilogy.
\_ not really
\_ yes really (you added 0 content, so can I)
\_ So long. Thanks for all the fish.
\_ Dude you people are SO FUCKING ILLITERATE. -sameer
\_ South park is a book now? |
| 1999/8/25-26 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:16398 Activity:very high |
8/25 RIBE DIKE!
\_ BRIBE DYKE!
\_ use linux!!
\_ use nulix!!
\_ Vote Quimby. |
| 1999/8/2 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Foreign] UID:16223 Activity:high |
8/2 http://www.cnn.com/TECH/computing/9908/02/ucita.idg Now, it is legal for Microsoft's Windows 2000 to use the internet to check the validity of the license, and disable Win2000 remotely. This is BAD for pirates like us. \_ Can you say "input firewall rule"? ipchains -A input -j REJECT -s <DEAD>.microsoft.com<DEAD> \_ it is? all you have to do is blackhole *.microsoft.com via routing. But the UCITA is bad for other reasons. \_ Its already dangerous to put a windoze machine on the net. \_ pirates can surely still crack the licensing mechanism. \_ such as ... ? \_ This sounds like a great ODS attack. Can anyone say bo2k plug-in? |
| 1999/6/16-17 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:15970 Activity:nil 66%like:16055 |
6/16 Ding, dong, DIVX is dead. http://www.divx.com \_ good riddance. |
| 1999/3/16-17 [Politics/Domestic/California, Reference/Tax] UID:15597 Activity:high |
3/16 Why don't you have to pay tax when you buy things from out of state?
And why does Seattle Filmworks charge tax?
\_ You're suppose to pay taxes, just lots of places don't charge
them.
\_ Out of state businesses can't collect CA sales tax,
but you're legally required to pay a "use tax" to CA
on out of state purchases.
\_ The US Constitution has a section prohibiting states from
interfering with commerce. This section is interpreted to
mean that states can't assess taxes on transactions in
other states. This is why if you mail-order something from
Rhode Island and you live in California you pay no state
sales tax. However, if you mail-order something from
California you pay sales tax. Seattle Filmworks might
have a California branch or office so you might still have
to pay California sales tax but you won't pay Washington
sales tax. I think that is how it works, but I'm not a tax
lawyer. Any tax lawyers on soda who can comment? -emin
\_ I'm not a lawyer but I don't get taxed in Washington state
when I show the store clerk my Oregon driver's license (doesn't
work for restaurants though). But California doesn't seem
to care about charging sales tax to out-of-staters. --jeff
\_ The more important question here is why you'd want to buy
anything from Seattle Film Works in the first place . . .
\_ The pics-on-the-web feature is nice. And I've had no problems
with quality. -tom
\_ The resolution on that is terrible, and I've had a lot of trouble
with scratches on the negatives with them. Just not worth the
premium for that. -jor
\_ the resolution is fine if all you're doing is putting
them on the web. -tom
\_ But you can pretend that you're using 3L33T3 YUPP13 SUP3R F1LM!1! |
| 1999/2/23 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:15466 Activity:moderate |
2/22 Has anyone heard of a law change that requires all CPA candidates to
hold Masters degree if they don't pass the CPA exam by year 1999?
Thanks in advance.
\_ CA law requires all CPA's to be tested for Year 2000 compliance
by the end of 1999, or to have enough brains to ask very important
questions that could greatly affect your future of much more
informed and reliable sources than the CSUA motd. Perhaps
http://www.aicpa.org can help you.
\_ Got it. Thanks. |
| 1999/2/23-24 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA, Politics/Domestic/California] UID:15464 Activity:very high |
2/22 Name the top 10 most beautiful people on soda
\_ http://www.csua.berkeley.edu/~sandyl/Junko/html/j10.html
Sandy is so hot!!!!
- Josephine <CS Graduant '97, Last name not to be mentioned>
\_ well let's see, there's only one josephine on soda, jkoh.
Unless her web page picture is unusually unflattering,
you've got to be kidding.
\_ kkat
\_ N1CK W3AVER!?!
\_ Hint: they are not necessarily women.
\_ those people don't read this file.
\_ r u a female?
- Sherry <As above>
\_ Presumably sherryg, who looks OK via http://csua/~sherryg/sh1.jpg
but certainly not impressive.
\_ These are both very generic and mildly attractive asian chicks
which is more than good enough for the top 5 MBPoS list.
\_ my vote:
- <DEAD>~jean/me.html<DEAD> But that has a lot to do with a good
\_ ahm voting for leigh (cynthia@soda) ditto on the jkoh vote.
1. <DEAD>~jean/me.html<DEAD> But that has a lot to do with a good
oh, and dpassage looks just as good in drag.
~jean/personal.html. Gee, so arrogant!
\_ what dpassage are you talking about?
\_ Any pics? Her home page doesn't work.
\_ nude or clothed?
\_ Preferrably nude, but either is fine.
\_ my votes:
1. <DEAD>~jean/me.html<DEAD> But that has a lot to do with a great
photographer. Also check out the "Status:" line in
~jean/personal.html. Gee, how arrogant!
2. <DEAD>~anjie/portfolio/anjie/noir.html<DEAD>
\_ http://www.csua.berkeley.edu/~anjie/portfolio/images/meth03.jpg
is more yummy. --sky
3. <DEAD>~fonger<DEAD>
\_ They are all Asian women!
\_ Well, you never hear of a Caucasian fetish, do you?
\_ Dude, hazy photoshop touched up pictures can make most
girls look fine. --sky
\_ Now lets vote for the ugliest people on soda!
\_ 1. jsl
\_ 2. whoever voted for jsl |
| 1999/2/12-13 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/President/Reagan] UID:15405 Activity:high |
50-50 for obstruction of justice.
\_ Now its time for endless debate on censure motions.
\_ Not. Thankfully this CYA bullshit is dead.
\_ I thought it was supposed to be > 50. Oh well.
\_ No, after the house impeaches him in a majority, the
Senate must convict on a 2/3 majority in order to remove
the president.
\_ Seriously, did anyone think that it could possibly
be anything better than 56-44 to get him out of
office? what a waste of time. Good job GOP, you
just about guaranteed that you won't be in the
White House for a few more terms.
\_ Not. You haven't been in this country long enough
to understand that no one but a few crackpots is
going to vote against a Rep. candidate because of
the impeachment. Don't be silly. The so called
analysts and newspapers never manage to understand
or guess correctly what the American people are
thinking or going to do each election.
\_ You base this on what? POLLS!? Hahahhaha, they
don't poll the 'voters'. They poll the 'people'.
Keep in mind that statistically the people they're
polling are more left than the average voter. Voters
are more conservative than "The People".
\_ Not the way polls are going against Al Gore right
now for 2000.
\_ When Clinton originally ran people didn't think
he had a chance even against his own party
adversaries (Paul Tsongas) and look what happened.
I think we should pull another Jessie the Body
Ventura/Ronald Reagan and vote Bill Bradley into
office.
\_ Al is a stiff board nobody. Put him on
stage in a debate against anyone with half
a personality and then see if the voters
choose a person or a 2 dimensional image. |
| 1999/2/10 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA, Politics/Domestic/California] UID:15393 Activity:nil 52%like:15387 |
2/9 Can someone suggest a nice place to proposition on Valentine's Day?
\_ hetero couples propose, gay guys in public bathrooms
in parks proposition
\_ Do you mean "propose" or
"proposition"?
I'm thinking about either the parking lot outside Lawrence Hall of
Science after dark, or Treasure Island facing SF. Thanks.
\_ suggestion: die
\_ there are some good places in nevada, the Bikini islands, and
Amchitka.
\_ As far away from Berkeley as possible. You should have planned
a lot longer than five days before so that you could plan plane
trips to Seattle or Hawaii or something like that. Unless you're
poor of course which, in which case, you're stuck here.
\_ I suggest _not_ doing so on V-day unless you -know- she's going to
say yes. Don't want to ruin your V-day forever....
\_ Something indoors is better because cold noses and blown around
hair isn't romantic. A fire is good too. -a girl
\_ Set your girlfriend's hair on fire.
\_ How about outdoor but in a car? No cold noses and blown around
hair. Would a girl think it's romantic?
\_ No. My girl advisor says, "No. Cars don't work. It's
trashy." She goes on to say, "Just take her to your
place or borrow a friend's with a fireplace and make her
dinner. He's too late to get reservations at a good
restaurant. He needs to show that he's put effort into
it". I think the idea is to forget the view and do
something nice. She went on and on about it but that's all
it comes down to. Don't be a cheap spaz.
\_ if you're stuck here, I would suggest The Rose Garden. - tpc
\_ Not after dark. I've seen drug deals there at night. Not
very romantic.
\_ Rose Garde in Golden Gate Park? But there're no roses these
days.
\_ Don't! It's not good to get married. You lose all your freedom,
free spending habits, and all the good looking babes on soda, etc.
\_ Who on soda is a good looking babe? Any homepage? Thx.
\_ This is exactly the reason there aren't any. Go take a
humanities class of some sort and stop looking so desperate
and for your own sake as well as God's, TAKE A SHOWER! No,
one shower last Thursday doesn't count. Moving it up to at
least twice a week is a good start.
\_ What do humanitites classes and bathing have to do
with good looking babes on soda? I bathe every day
and took a few English classes, but I've never seen
a babe on soda. There weren't any babes in the English
classes either, most were commies with too many
body piercings.
\_ mmm, commies with body piercings...
come to butt-head -humanities h0zer
\_ Agreed. I've been in a lot of humanities classes
here and the good looks are hard to find. I find
that the cutest girls are the bio/wanna-be-premed
types.
\_ And those at Haas too, I think.
\_ But I was just trying to conserve water.
\_ When the US military wants to stockpile on chemical
weapons they simply go to the 2nd floor of Soda. |
| 1998/12/31 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:15155 Activity:very high |
12/30 Are there any states that allow cousins to legally get married?
This is a serious question. Thanks for any info.
\_ Kentucky.
\_ So if two cousins get married in Kentucky and then return to
California, will the marriage be recognized by California as
legitimate?
\_ Full Faith and Credit. |
| 1998/12/4-6 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/911] UID:15071 Activity:kinda low |
12/4 Troll deleted again.
Amy Biehl was a Stanfurd graduate who left for S. Africa on a Fulbright
scholarship to help with voter registration in the nation's first all-race
1994 election marking the end of apartheid. In the wrong place at the wrong
time, she was in the black township of Guguletu when an angry mob returning
from a political rally stoned her car, dragged her out, beat her, and killed
her. At least one of her black compatriots attempted to defend her, telling
them that she was a friend. Four people were convicted and sentenced to
18 years. In July of this year, these four men were released from prison,
granted amnesty by the Truth and Reconciliation Commission (as required by the
amnesty provision, they had fully confessed to the attack, including
the individual who committed the fatal stab wound). Peter and Linda Biehl
of Newport Beach, CA, released a public statement supporting the commission's
decision, and have since regularly travelled to S. Africa to confirm to
passersby that they have truly forgiven their daughter's killers, and towards
fostering understanding between those who would be blood enemies. Whether
each part of this story is right or wrong I don't say -- that you know that
each part happened and think about it is what's important. When this
disappears, ~jctwu/pub/biehl.
\_ Well now I understand how the daughter could be so stupid, given
what the parents are like. I knew about the daughter, but had no
idea this was a multi-generational defect.
\_ was the daughter cute? is the mom? do you have film of the
mother and daughter doing the nasty? otherwise, why should
we care?
\_ so was the bitch cute or not?
\_ The daughter is almost as stupid as the parents. Yet another
total victory for the forces of Charles Darwin. |
| 1998/11/15-16 [Politics/Domestic/California, Science/Electric] UID:14961 Activity:high |
11/14 It's winter time and my gas furnace and gas water heater is eating a
lot of gas. My gas bill jumped by a lot, as expect. However, I thought
my electric bill would go down since the only thing that eats
a lota electricity is my frig, but NO, my electric bill jumped a
shit load, with some new charges like "Transmission, distribution,
nuclear decommissioning, competition transition charge, trust transfer
\_ You didn't vote on election day, did you?
amount." What the fuck are these new charges and why the fuck is my
electric bill so high now??!??!?!?? Do you guys see it as well???
\_ Hey PEOPLE did you vote YES on 9? Well, if you didn't
that's too bad, you should have, just like you should have
seen it coming with all those ads saying 9 was bad for CA.
Who exactly pays for those ads? Answer: whoever has the most
to lose. Who's that? Answer: the UTIL cos.
\_ No, no, no. Prop. 9 was GOOFY! It would make everyone run
backwards. Everything would be happening in reverse if Prop. 9
had passed. Don't be silly!
\_ What was prop 9? -- can't vote but has to live with it
\_we live one astronomical unit from a pretty good fusion reactor.
PG&E can't change that. quit bitching and get off the grid. |
| 1998/11/7-8 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:14924 Activity:high |
11/6 Newt Gingrich is resining from Congress. See http://www.cnn.com for details. \_ i say let him stay. the more harm he can do to the gop the better. \_ he's resining from congress? you left out a g. \_ better than recosining -- that's just sick! \_ Not to run for sPECKER of the House. \_ Darn! Can't depend on republicans for making foolish mistakes anymore. \_ now let us see if clinton has got the balls to follow suit. \_ it's about time! |
| 1998/11/4 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:14906 Activity:nil 75%like:14888 |
11/3 Don't forget to vote today. --tabloy
\_ For a dissenting view, hear Friedman (166 Barrows, 7p). -- schoe
\_ people are too stupid for this sort of thing to work
\_ Maybe this thing is just too stupid to work
\_ looking at the results, this state is going to
suck!!! Time to move..
\_ what did you expect? 2 people who didn't deserv
to be governers and 2 more people who don't deserv
to be senators. Fong, Lungren, Davis, Boxer all stink
\_ Someone actually asked Friedman whether people had to b
smart for anarchocapitalism to work. He suggested tha
the "natural conservatism" of people meant that peopl
\_ I'm going to take out five seconds to laugh m
ass off at this "human nature" argument
would likely become accustomed to it and its institution
once it was established, whether or not they wer
particularly intelligent. (He also said he did vote,
straight LP slate, but that there was no real reason t
vote unless one happens to find it fun.) -- schoe |
| 1998/11/4-5 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:14905 Activity:nil 66%like:14902 |
11/4 The magic of democracy..
http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1998/10/01/mn.governor
\_ Yeah, so? What's your point? That Minnesotan's are tired of
the same old shit from the one party system? |
| 1998/11/4 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:14902 Activity:nil 66%like:14905 |
11/4 The magic of democracy...
http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1998/10/01/mn.governor |
| 1998/11/3-4 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:14888 Activity:high 75%like:14906 |
11/3 Don't forget to vote today. --tabloyd
\_ For a dissenting view, hear Friedman (166 Barrows, 7p). -- schoen
\_ people are too stupid for this sort of thing to work.
\_ Maybe this thing is just too stupid to work.
\_ looking at the results, this state is going to
suck!!! Time to move...
\_ what did you expect? 2 people who didn't deserve
to be governers and 2 more people who don't deserve
to be senators. Fong, Lungren, Davis, Boxer all stink.
\_ Someone actually asked Friedman whether people had to be
smart for anarchocapitalism to work. He suggested that
the "natural conservatism" of people meant that people
\_ I'm going to take out five seconds to laugh my
ass off at this "human nature" argument.
would likely become accustomed to it and its institutions
once it was established, whether or not they were
particularly intelligent. (He also said he did vote, a
straight LP slate, but that there was no real reason to
vote unless one happens to find it fun.) -- schoen |
| 1998/10/29-31 [Politics/Domestic/California, Science/GlobalWarming] UID:14852 Activity:moderate |
10/28 http://www.salonmagazine.com/news/1998/10/27newsb.html has an interesting take on Proposition 9. Anyone know of other good voting information sites? \_ on localhost in /dev/null...personaly I am trying to find out how to get my ballot in chines alowing make to make how to get my ballot in chines allowing me to make a provably random selection. Idiocy deleted. \_ You forgot to delete the rest of the motd, including this thread. \_ I didn't say "all idiocy deleted" I was forwarded this from a co-worker. I did this and I'm telling you, it's really weird. Follow the directions slowly, and do not go forward until told to do so. I think you will find this really eerie(and very true...). This is quite amazing but its fun and seems to work!! Enjoy!! SPOOKY - Do this its quite wierd... First things first: NO CHEATING Really. I mean it. Don't cheat. This is a little game that has a pretty funny/creepy outcome. Don't read ahead, just do it in order. It takes about 3 minutes It's worth it. It's kinda eerie.... First, Get a blank piece of paper and pen. P.S. When you are asked to choose names, make sure it's people you ACTUALLY KNOW, and go with your first instincts! Scroll down one line at a time - don't read ahead or you'll ruin the fun!! 1.) First, write the numbers 1 through 11 in a column. 2.) Then, beside numbers 1 and 2, write any two numbers you want. 3.) Beside the 3 and 7, write down the names of members of the opposite sex (or same sex if you're gay). Don't look ahead-or it won't turn out right! 4.) Write anyone's name (like friends or family...) in the 4th, 5th and 6th spots. Don't cheat or you'll be upset that you did. 5.) Write down four song titles in 8, 9, 10 and 11. 6.) Finally, make a wish..... And here is the key for that game.. 1.) You must tell (the number in space 2) people about this game in (the number in space 1) days in order to make your wish come true. 2.) The person in space 3 is the one that you love. 3.) The person in 7 is one you like but can't work out. 4.) You care most about the person you put in 4. 5.) The person you name in number 5 is the one who knows you very well. 6.) The person you name in 6 is your lucky star (I have no idea what this means but it sounds good!) 7.) The song in 8 is the song that matches with the person in 3 8.) The title in 9 is the song for the person in 7. 9.) The tenth space is the song that tells you most about your mind. 10.) And 11 is the song telling how you feel about life! GOOD LUCK! Idiocy deleted again. |
| 1998/10/15-16 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:14783 Activity:kinda low |
10/15 Anyone have any friends that are Nevada residents? It could be
worth several hundred dollars if they would do me a small favor
that would take 5 mins. of their time. Thanks. --sky
\_So is it cool to use the motd to solicit accomplices in
low-risk fraud?
\_ Only if you don't get caught
\_ I was born in nevada - is that close enough? -alan-
\_ Needs to be a current resident
\_ LOL. :) Tax is stupid. Particularly mail-order instate/intrastate
-it's a big scam, and we're punished for living in hi-tech
california where it's all sold/net stores...
even if that's not the point of sky's post, I can think of
much worse things on the motd. Go Sky! |
| 1998/9/29-10/2 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:14693 Activity:nil |
9/28 Last day for registering to vote in CA if you want to vote in the
Nov 3 election is October 5. If you aren't already registered
(and can legally vote in CA), you may want to do so. -- tabloyd |
| 1998/9/1-3 [Politics/Domestic/California, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:14533 Activity:high |
9/1 Check out famous CSUA alumnus Bret "mogul" Mogilefsky on
page 19 of this month's California Monthly.
\_ Cool! Where do I get my copy!? -mogul
\_ What does this dude do again?
\_ Play with sock monkeys and hit old machines with
the csua bat. -John
\_ He's the little known right hand man to George Lucas,
the "mogul" of LucasArts (hence the nickname).
\_ I wish! I'm the lead programmer on the game Grim
Fandango. -mogul
\_ When's it coming out? Looks fucking badass from
the previews I've seen
\_ sorry, but 'mogul' predates his lucasarts employment
\_ I only attended one meeting, and after seeing a white
guy swinging a bat around menacingly, that was my last.
\_ Racist prick. If it was some nigger with a bat,
that'd be ok?
\_ Sheesh, I was kidding. But now I hope I offended
you and only you.
\_ I too am deeply offended that you chose not
to participate in the CSUA due to the
organization's President being Caucasian.
There is no place for such racism in this
organization. Please go fuck yourself with
a splintery broom. -Offended Whitey
\_ "Cerebrally ambidextrous." Man, it's so easy to impress the
yokels. -mogul |
| 1998/6/3 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:14168 Activity:nil |
6/3 Proposition 225: Proof that the majority of California voters shouldn't
be allowed to vote.
\_ IGNORED VOTER'S INSTRUCTIONS ON MOTD POSTING |
| 1998/6/1-2 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:14161 Activity:high |
6/2 Vote early. Vote often. Vote no.
\_ just be sure to take the time to vote against 226 please,
thanks - danh
\_ Vote _YES_!!!1! Otherwise the jackbooted communist thugs will
march in from over the state border and steal money from union
workers, build highway bridges that cost three times as much,
and force our schools to only teach children in Swedish. At
least that's what the TV commercials tell me.
\_ As a conservative I have deleted the response previously in
this space as it was either written by a leftist in an attempt
to make the right look bad, or it was written by the bottom of
the genetic barrel. Either way, it wasn't worth the bits it was
written with and the world, both left,right,and center, is better
off without that sort of mindless stupidity. -JAC
\_ fucking nazi censor
\_ kinda hard to fit all that on a bumper sticker
\_ If you _get_ a bumper sticker like that, you're
probably some kind of reactionary country-club pro-life
wealthy-from-exploiting-the-downtrodden-poor gun-nut
environment-destroying kneejerk arch conservative who'd
be much more likely to be driving some big-ass huge gas
guzzling SUV or ostentatious luxury car (as opposed to,
say, a Geo Metro or Ford Aspire). Therefore, they'd
have enough bumper space, plus some extra to spare, for
a larger-than-normal bumper sticker.
-- warm hearted, compassionate liberal
(and in this case, I'm jealous, because
there isn't enough space for _both_
the "Save the Whales" and "You Can't
Hug Children With Nuclear Arms"
stickers on the top of my bike rack.)
\_ Typically, those who actually get rich from
exploiting the downtrodden poor are generally
too careful with their position to risk it with
such nonsense. It's the pathetic incompetents
who WANT to be exploiters but don't know how
who waste time on such things. -mel
\_ You guys don't know what you're missing.
We have a socialist and a nationalist party.
Our politics are more fun. We're invading
California next week, but in an eco-friendly
way. -John |
| 1998/5/16-17 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:14098 Activity:kinda low |
5/14 I need a recommendation for a good ISP which has dialups
throughout California (north and south) and in Florida.
Any ideas? -randal
\_ Yes
\_ Havent you figured out there are not good ISPs with dialup. |
| 1998/5/1 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:14031 Activity:nil |
4/30 VOTE FOR HANK THE ANGRY DRUNKEN DWARF
\_ URL?
\_ e-mail from two days ago:
>>Pathfinder is running a '50 most beautiful people contest' which,
>>inevitably enough, is currently being won by rodent-faced teen idol
>>Leonardo Di Caprio. The voting form is at:
>>
>> http://www.pathfinder.com/people/50most/1998/vote/index.html
>>
>>Happily, there is a contender who is gaining ground rapidly. I urge you all
>>to rush over to the Web site and cast your vote for:
>>
>> Hank the Angry, Drunken Dwarf
\_ Here are the latest results:
1.!psb, 278910 votes
2.Hank the Angry, Drunken Dwarf, 191644 votes
3.DPK, 47619 votes
\_ ???
4.Leonardo DiCaprio, 9092 votes
\_ I want your rat face and clean shaved ass, Leo!!! -aspo
\_ I wonder if people even realize that the result on the website
will have no effect on whomever they choose for the magazine
cover. The WebSite is separate from the magazine - android
\_ so what? at least we can help strike some healthy fear of the net
into the minds of the idjit editors at People (and other
publications targeting readers with IQs 70 and below)
\_ if you are so smart, why are you an overworked corporate
stooge?
\_ Stooges of the World Unite! -stooge #3
\_ObGetAClue -#9 psb fan |
| 1998/4/15 [Politics/Domestic/California, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA] UID:13956 Activity:very high |
4/14 There was a CSUA election where a female candidate claimed
that guys were voting with their dicks. Does anyone remember
the details?
\_ That was almost certainly rachel.. don't remember much else
\_ nope
\_ It was Rachel in private. VP doesn't need that many extra
dicks/votes to win.
\_ that was probably Alissa Pritchard vs. Amee election. And if
anyone was doing anything with their dick, it was Amee.
\_ i like alissa. Tall... Blond... Cute... Smart. :-) Where
has she been lately??? -horny CSUA guy
\_ as far away from you as possible |
| 1998/4/13-14 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:13941 Activity:nil 71%like:13957 |
4/12 Federal:
http://www.irs.ustreas.gov/prod/forms_pubs/forms.html
California:
http://www.ftb.ca.gov/forms/97_forms/index.asp
\_ Feed ME! -da guberment |
| 1998/3/4 [Politics/Domestic/California, Recreation/Dating] UID:49812 Activity:nil |
3/4 Can someone post the age of consent again? Thanks. I remember
Hawaii is 14, California is 18, what else?
Age of Consent Laws in the United States
----------------------------------------
Age 14: Hawaii, Pennsylvania
15: Colorado, South Carolina
16: Alabama, Connecticut, Deleware, District of Columbia,
Georgia, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Maine,
Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Montana,
Nebraska, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Jersey, North
Carolina, Ohio, Rhode Island, South Dakata, Utah, Vermont,
Washington, West Virginia, Wyoming
17: Louisiana, Missouri, New Mexico, New York, Texas
18: Alaska, Arkansas, Arizona, Calif., Florida, Idaho,
Illinois, Mississippi, North Dakata, Oklahoma, Oregon,
Tennessee, Virginia, Wisconsin
I suggest checking out Hawaii :) |
| 1998/3/3 [Politics/Domestic/California, Computer/Rants, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Others] UID:13752 Activity:very high |
3/3 Jim Barksdale admits that he is a Bill Gates "admirer". http://www.cnnfn.com \_ Who is this and why do we care? \_ ceo@netscape.com \_ Ok, now why do we care? \_ If you admir your enemy, then you are STUPID. And you NSCP people, don't even try to erase this message again! \_ Your spelling and attitude demonstrate your ignorance clearly. Mr. Barksdale on the other hand obviously sees Mr. Bill has built Microsoft into an incredible juggernaut, and can admire him for that while trying to compete against it. \_ This is like saying "I think Hitler is c00l, but I hate him." \_ No, this is like Jason Kidd saying "I think Michael Jordan is a great basketball player even though I have to try and beat him when our teams play each other." |
| 1998/3/3-4 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:13747 Activity:very high |
3/02 A new constitutional amendment is being introduced to eliminate
the seperation of church and state. In effect, the majority of
a locality will be able to mandate religious practices. Jewish
children in southern towns will be graded on their essay on the
topic "Why Jesus Loves Me"
\_ call for references please -- it's not April 1 yet.
\_ I love watching the right try to generate election year issues
that they think will help them. Minimum wage, nuking the tax
code, and now this... --scotsman
\_ Isn't the minimum wage a traditional democratic issue?
\_ when you pay taxes, you'll be glad to see a flat tax too
\_ I do pay taxes. But if there's going to be tax code
reform, i'd like to see it done with responsible
legislation, and not as some election year ploy. --scotsman
\_ I don't care what the reason is, I'll take a flat tax
any year. Sooner the better. Why do you care what the
reasoning is as long as the end result is positive?
\_ Hellloooo!! *EVERYTHING* these days is an election year
or poll making ploy. You've lived here how long?
\_ It probably will fail to get the 2/3rds vote it needs, and then
the Republicans will use it in the offyear election as a campaign
issue, emphasizing the "anti-God" vote of the Democrats. -mel
\_ Uhm, yeah. Don't go into politics mel. Stick with computers.
\_ And they are also considering a constitutional amendment to sell
The Brookyln Bridge to the highest bidder.
\_ Did I tell you about the Swamp Land Amendment from Sen. Jason
Crock of Florida?
\_ What about the Hank Hill Propane Gas Consumers & Small
Business Act", sponsored by Rep. Spennncer Bachus of Alabama?
(I kid you not).
\_ Oh ya? Cool. Who does it give my tax money to? |
| 1998/2/19 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:13701 Activity:high |
02/18 What's the minimum age of a female that I can legally "sleep" with in
the States and in California?
\_what's the matter...can't get anyone your age to sleep with you?
now you're thinking about sleeping with your kid sister?
\_ Guess what you will be giving her as present on her 18th birthday?
\_ Your parole! Hahaha!
\_ 0. You can sleep with anyone, but if you are talking about
having sexual intercourse...
\_ Yes, that's what I mean.
\_ I doubt there's a federal law, there are state laws and in
California, the age is 18.
\_ in "incredibly hip" california, the age is higher than other
states, some of which say its okay at 16?!
\_ Check an almanac. Some states are even lower. BTW, California
isn't incredibly hip, it's just run by people who don't give a
shit. Very big difference.
\_ For all you cradle robbers,
here's a handy guide from the 1/97 Playboy for vacation planning:
\_ Thanks. -psb
Age of Consent Laws in the United States
----------------------------------------
Age 14: Hawaii, Pennsylvania
15: Colorado, South Carolina
16: Alabama, Connecticut, Deleware, District of Columbia,
Georgia, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Maine,
Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Montana,
Nebraska, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Jersey, North
Carolina, Ohio, Rhode Island, South Dakata, Utah, Vermont,
Washington, West Virginia, Wyoming
17: Louisiana, Missouri, New Mexico, New York, Texas
18: Alaska, Arkansas, Arizona, Calif., Florida, Idaho,
Illinois, Mississippi, North Dakata, Oklahoma, Oregon,
Tennessee, Virginia, Wisconsin
I suggest checking out Hawaii :) |
| 1998/2/5 [Politics/Domestic/California, Recreation/Dating] UID:13627 Activity:high |
2/4 In California, what's the closest blood relationship between a
male and a female that is still legal for marriage? Or where can I
find out about this info? Thanks.
\_ Fallen for your sister, eh?
\_ Fallen for your mother, eh?
\_ Plan on becoming Amish?
\_ What about Amish?
\_ Ask psb or tom; didn't they both fall in love with themselves ?
\_ Don't worry about it, masturbation is still legal in all 50. |
| 1997/1/6 [Politics/Domestic/California, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:32029 Activity:nil |
1/4 The recent devastating Flood is the God's way to punish us for
passing Proposition 215.
\_ Um, actually, the rain was my fault. My weather maker
experienced a power surge while in the monsoon testing
mode. Sorry about that, won't happen again. - scotsman
\_ Stupid motd entries are God's way to punish us for not having
stricter entrance requirements for UC Berkeley. -JOhn
\_ Oh boy somebody has a direct line to God. Ask him/her if we are
in for anymore disaters.
\_ Oops, I don't think it was wise of me to taunt him. I am now
a proud owner of a bong with a broken carb that's going
to cost me big time to replace. So beware of any taunting
\_ Yes. -The High Almighty
\_ Excuse me sir, it's a collect call from God, he says there
should be more intelligence at Berkeley
\_ Didn't this say prop 209 yesterday?
\_ No, it's always said that. Smokers in the State are trying
to fool you!
\_ For the record, it was 209. Who gives a shit about 212?
\_ I originally put 209 (CCRI) there but some dumbass changed
it. You should not change someone's words just because you
can't handle them.
\_ You should not expect an entry in a world writable file
to remain 2. |
| 1996/11/5 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:31992 Activity:nil |
11/5 VOTE!!! Don't write off this election until all the votes are in.
-- erikred
\_ Besides, the results can't be any worse than the last politburo
election. |
| 1995/2/1 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:31735 Activity:nil |
1/31 P U L P F I C T I O N
Thursday, February 2, there's a Pulp Fiction event planned for the
evening. If you want to come, we can organize rides, etc. We're
planning on 7:00 pm at Pacific's California near the SW corner of
go!) Please mail aaron if you're interested in going. --aaron
\_Did anyone else find this movie brutally violent, racist,
and homophobic? What is its appeal? I saw it and could
not believe thamount of racist epithets and sickening
bloodiness. Explain its "brilliance," someone. -wft
\_ Have you stopped to think that the film is not racist,
but the characters portrayed in the film? The realism
of racist characters portrayed in a film may be
shocking to some PC dimwits, but you must realize that
some art mimics life. -mlee
\_ If you think Pulp Fiction is "homophobic", you are a
brainwashed idiot. If I were homosexually
gang-raped, I'd want to get Medieval on the
assailants' asses as well, but that does not
make me homophobic. Maybe if you thought about
the things you watched, rather than producing
knee-jerk reactions in accordance with the way
you've been programmed, then people might treat
you like you had a brain. -blojo
\_ I don't think "thinking about the things he
watched" is all that he needs to think about. -mlee
\_ Chill out. If you like movies where blacks are
constantly called "niggers" and gory brutality
is treated as a laughing matter, then more power to
you. I was more curious to know what makes this film
worthy of artistic acclaim by its advocates. -wft
\_ The problem here is that you are totally missing any
and all significance that the film contains. Your
measly attempts to classify this film with the many
other more violent, less intelligent films out there
just adds merit to my beliefs that you have no mental
capacity whatsoever. When you realize that "blacks"
call each other niggers in real life, then we can
begin to have an intelligent conversation. Please
also note that Samuel L. Jackson, a very succesful
actor, who could be in one of many roles, accepted to
play the role of Jules, who is called a nigger and
calls other blacks and even whites niggers, with
pride and a lot of enthusiasm. He also stated that
Quentin Tarantino has not one racist bone in him.
-mlee
\_ tell us your login and I'll mail you an essay... the motd
is hardly a place for this discussion. -seano |
| 1993/11/15-18 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:31423 Activity:nil |
11/10 Thanks to a LOT of politicing from Senator Dave, and some last minute
sucking up by President Seidl, the CSUA is now richer to the tune
of $500. The bill passed!!! - seidl
\_passed by a vote of 23-0-0 --dpassage |
| 1993/6/4 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:31345 Activity:nil |
6/5 Someone compiled, and advertised, a list of internet dialup
possibilities elsewhere in the Bay Area and CA a while back.
Anyone know where it's stored? - gojomo
\_ Try alt.motd |
| 1993/4/8 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:31262 Activity:nil |
4/8 I suggest people calling their respective Republican Senators
and complain about the filibuster tactics they used to kill
Clinton's stimulus package. Essentially, what they are saying
is: "We know you are out of a job, but we are saving you
millions!"
\_ I suggest you try looking at the package before you whine.
It's actually full of swimming pools, unemployment benefits,
and projects for Puerto Rico. Stuff that will not help the
majority of the US people get jobs. Besides that, it's way
inefficient. $900,000/job is the cost. It is very, very
fortunate that the Republicans had enough votes to prevent
a vote. Now, a compromise will be forced, which might just
provide a bill that will not destroy the economy and drop us
back into a recession. [By the way, California doesn't have
any Republican Senators to call] |
| 1993/4/1-2 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Crime] UID:31247 Activity:high |
3/31 I have decided to start reporting all incidents of copyright
violation on soda to the FBI and the University. Yes, this
does include pirating of software and gifs. Expect federal
response and possible university expulsion if such activities
continue.
\-"bite me" --psb
\_ Since when are gifs illegal?
\_ gifs are not illegal. distributing gifs of copyrighted works
is illegal (assuming they haven't given permission), but then
again i'm not a lawyer so i have no real knowledge of this -oj
\_ I LIKE GIFS OF NEKKID GURLZ!!!
\_ i would like to ask again, please, if you are going to post
something in the motd which is beligerent and threatening,
sign it. i think i know who this is, but i would
rather not be guessing. -hh
\_ The posting may be belligerent, in that it is "combative"
and "assertive" - that should be expected. In this brave
new world, it is necesary that the law abiders combat
the law breakers. The posting is only threatening in the
same way that laws are - if you break them, you will be
punished. The poster is simply helping that punishment
along. No less should be expected. Break the law, go
to jail. Period. It's sad that someone has to do it
on their own, when staff@soda should be the one's
responsible for making sure laws aren't broken on their
machine.
/_ Just because something is illegal, that doesn't mean
that it's necessarily right to help enforce or even
to obey the law. Obeying the law blindly or
attempting to be a secret policeman is not always
the right thing to do. As an example of a bad law,
consider the school teacher (featured on "A Current
Afair" last night) who was raped by her 14 year old
student and then convicted of having sex with a
minor. Think carefully about the function of any law
before you decide destroy the basic legal principal
of the accused having the right to confront the
accuser.
\_ I was a bit worried about this initially too.
Fortunately, you don't know what you're talking
about. Last time I spoke with the FBI, they
assured me there would be no issue. I am
simply providing information. The FBI will
be doing the accusing.
Bringing this back to copyright, I and many
others believe that the creation and exchange of
information would be helped rather than hurt by
dramatically reduced intellectual property restrictions.
(I'm not advocating breaking the law in this case.
I just want to suggest one possible way your decision
to rigorously enforce copyright laws could be, on
the balance, counter-productive to society.) --Adam R.
\_ Spoken like a true Peefer. It has long been the
case that the unimaginative and the uninventive
have tried to steal from those that can.
Fortunately, the law protects us artistes, us
programmers, us writers and us cartoonists from
you banal masses.
\_Excuse me, but I'm a writer, and an artist,
and a cartoonist, and a musician, *and* a
programmer, and I _still_ think you're
a bozo. The only thing you've just
proven is the abnormal size of your
ego. By the way, you forgot engineers,
architechtects, theorists and hardware
hackers in your list of "creative"
people. --Lee
\- WHat exactly does ego have to do
with law enforcement? You break the
law, you pay the price. Simple.
\- You're about as much of a programmer as
George, that is, not much.
\_as far as i'm concerned you can stick your
ego up your banal mass. --howlee
\_ Personally, I would be proud to be considered a
"banal mass" considering that most of the great
thinkers have always based their works on previous
ideas. Galileo, for example, stole the design for
the telescope--and then was the first to think to
point it up. And Shakespeare wrote exactly one
original plot in all his years of playwriting.
A free exchange of ideas is far more benificial
to society than keeping thoughts under tight
reign. Look at the technical progress of the U.S.
compared to the U.S.S.R. (The space program is
of course, an exception, but then, that was the
area where the U.S. was almost as tightlipped as
the U.S.S.R.) -boss
\_ how will *you* decide if I'm breaking the law
without looking at the content of my files ?
did you discuss search warrants the last time
you spoke with the FBI ? --cynthia
\_ some people left things world readable. it's mentioned
in the minutes of the last meeting. -oj
\_ Just to let you know, despite all of the bleeding heart
liberals complaining about being punished for breaking the
law, I am STILL filing reports with the FBI (and will be
sending a large packet of information to the Student Conduct
Office this weekend). The FBI today stated to me that they
nearly had enough information to file some search warrants
(and thanked me for my work :).
\-who you callin liberal? bite me --xxx
\_ Bite me, too, while you're at it. -xxxxxx
\_ Bite my f*ckin' ass, moron -- calling me a liberal is
like calling you intelligent -- xxxxxxxx
\_ Sure you did. Did you talk to J. Edgar himself? Anonymous
motd posts are hardly credible, dude.
\_ Go to *HELL* you self-important son of a bitch.
\_ "I never knew I was a thought criminal until my little girl
turned me in." Thanks for taking it upon yourself to turn
our little corner of the world into your version of Airstrip
One. I feel sorry for you, informer. -- xxx
\_ Hey you SOB, watch your files very closely. Make sure *YOU*
don't have anything illegal in there.
\_ Maybe you should just report me anyway, you weed. xxxxx
xxxxxxxxxx, 12xx xxxxxxxxx Dr. #xx, xxxxxxxxx, CA 94xxx.
Who are you?
\_ Well, personally I think we should thank this patriotic asshole
for keeping our country, and in particular, Soda, safe from the
sort of lowlifes who advocate the free spread of information (the
\- It isn't free spread of information
you fucking dumbshit. It's theft,
pure and simple. Would you like
it if someone didn't pay you while
you were working register at
McDonalds? Same fucking thing.
Just advocating the free spread of
McNuggets.
damn pinkos). I'd also like to salute his/her courage in standing
up for what he/she believes in, and in cowering in anonymity
while doing so.
\_ I'm sure you'd love to see my true login so that you can harass
me, try to drive me from this machine and maybe try to kill me.
Such are the stigma that we true patriots face. Rest assured,
I will keep watching and you will be punished. Period. I do
not understand why you are incredulous when I talk of how I talked
to the FBI. They do have local office, you know. If you wish
to speak with them, ring: 553-7400 (that's 415 code).
\_ Of course the FBI has a local office. But why should we think
you're anything but a prankster? I think you're just making
noise for chuckles. |
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