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2021/12/03 [General] UID:1000 Activity:popular

2004/8/11 [Politics] UID:32842 Activity:nil
8/11    Why do soldiers get medals for being captured by the enemy?  Shouldn't
        medals be restricted to good performance?
        \_ I know, it's stupid. Soldiers also get metal for being killed
           by their own stupidity.
           \_ Although it's very frequently "without regard to their own
              safety", it more usually is "while attempting to flank an enemy
              position" or the like instead of "drove his jeep in reverse
              into an allied minefield"
              \_ we should really give soldiers a break
2004/7/22 [Politics, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:32423 Activity:nil
7/2     So who's the ranting racist guy below (see '50s thread) and why has
        his putrid slime managed to live so long without being censored?
        \_ Because it's an obvious troll.  If it was a bit reasoned people
           might get more pissed off.
        \_ If you delete it, people will scream censorship and post more junk.
2021/12/03 [General] UID:1000 Activity:popular

2004/7/19-20 [Reference/Law, Politics] UID:32356 Activity:very high
7/19    Tomorrow is the 60th anniversary of Operation Valkyrie.  -John
        \_ The plot to kill Hilter right?
           \_ SHHH!  Don't say the magic word!
              \_ Voldemort!
           \_ Godwin's Law!  Godwin's Law!
           \_ I wish some people would actually read Godwin's law and stop
              mindlessly referring to it.  I know the above are just joking
              but really.  Ok, it's been a long day and I'm grumpy, I know
              that, but please stop screaming Godwin.  It's ok to talk about
              Hitler and the Nazis without invoking Godwin.
2004/6/4 [Politics, Academia/Berkeley/Classes, Science] UID:30600 Activity:kinda low
6/4     another power outage?
        \_ Not campuswide-- uclink and kalx were unaffected.
        \_ nope, try again:
           soda> uptime
           10:56AM  up 41 days, 16:31, 150 users, load averages: 7.28, 5.09, 3.08
           \_ Those sounds... could be imitated!  --Thufir
2004/5/19-20 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics] UID:30311 Activity:high
5/19    http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/040519/234/726q1.html
        Would someone who's older than me please explain Andy Kaufman?
        \_ I'm not older, but I think he's nuts.
        \_ It's a press release, not news.  I think it's a complete hoax.
        \_ http://Snopes.com on the case:
           http://csua.org/u/7dn (Uploaded 5/20)
        \_ Everything I know of Andy Kaufman, I got it from watching Man on
           the Moon.  How accurate is it?
                \_ not sure, but I found him to be a totally annoying
                   opinionated bastard and I don't care if he's dead or alive
           \_ Not completely accurate (but what biopic is?). Kaufman had an
              odder sense of humor than most, but it was wasted on people who
              never understood the absurdity of it. In retrospect (and when it
              was spelt out for people in MotM), people now appreciate his
              brand of humor. Back then though... in terms of today's comics,
              his fame varied between Robin Williams and a half-step above
              Carrottop and Gallagher.
2004/5/6 [Politics] UID:30042 Activity:high
5/6     US falling behind in science
        \_ Old news.  So old, they've already debated it on NPR.
        \_ if anything this is GOOD NEWS. This means that people in the
           sciences (IT, sysadm, developers etc) are in demand and will get
           paid higher.
2004/5/3-4 [Politics/Domestic, Politics] UID:29956 Activity:insanely high
5/3     How many of you would support the President in his capacity as
        Commander-in-Chief issuing an apology [to whom?] for the conduct
        and pictures at the military prison in Iraq.
        \_ Actions speak louder than words.  The Americans who did that
           should be caned, at a minimum.
           \_ I mean in addition to individual disciplining.  Just the
              "sorry about the bad apples in the US Military basket"
              doesnt seem like enough.  It's not reasonable to claim
              "this was part of military interrogation" considering the
              "souvenir pictures" that were taken.  For the US to try
              to get off "cheap" will cost more in the end.
              \_ they were stucking broom stick and chemical lights right
                 in those prisoner's ass. Other than that,  rape
                 and electrical shocks are common method used by the
                 Army Intelligence unit.  I suspect this is also happening
                 in Guantamano Bay as well.
        \_ We are the guardians of Democracy and Human Right.  These video
           has again prove that our interrogation methods are far more humane
           than Saddam's.
           \_ public execution of those soldiers would help, and I am not
              \_ you're an idiot.  we still have laws.  they are being
                 followed to the letter in this case.
        \_ Apologizing means very little.  Publicly punishing/humiliating
           those responsible, for the world to see, might be more useful.
           \_ It isnt an either/or choice.
2004/4/22 [Politics, Uncategorized/Profanity] UID:13326 Activity:nil
4/21    http://www.thememoryhole.org/war/coffin_photos/dover
        shit, now I'm depressed.
2004/4/14-15 [Politics] UID:13202 Activity:moderate
4/14    Capt. Yee's reprimand overturned.
        \_ Good news.  Teach those bastards a lesson.
        \_ "While I believe that Chaplain Yee's misconduct was wrong, I do
           not believe, given the extreme notoriety of his case in the news
           media, that further stigmatizing Chaplain Yee would serve a just
           and fair purpose," Hill said, describing his decision as "one of
           mercy, not necessarily law."
           \_ The "misconduct" is the unwarranted 76-day detention of Yee,
              much of it in solitary confinement.  Add to that the mutual
              face saving and ass covering by the army people involved, at
              Yee's expense.
              \_ URL that shows the 76 days was against military code?
                 \_ They may not have violated the letter of the law, but they
                    violated its spirit.
                    \_ spirit?  yeah whatever.  nice try, troll.
                       \_ Wait:  You think he was treated fairly and without
                          discrimination or prejudice?  And I'm the troll?
                          \_ Never attribute stupidity to troll.
              \_ i'd rather have solitary confinement then get raped by
                other inmates
                \_ Haven't you ever seen a prison movie?  After a couple of
                   months in the Hole, you'll be begging for human contact,
                   even if it means rape.
                   \_ Joey, have you ever been in a Turkish prison?
2004/4/6-7 [Politics] UID:13047 Activity:nil
4/6     My take on motd censorship: techie stuff gets posted at all hours.
        politics gets posted mostly m-f, 8-6.  Given the quantity and number
        of participants, this says to me techie stuff is a general but
        secondary interest to a variety of people while politics is mostly
        of interest only to the working/alum population.  Does this make
        sense to the rest of you?
        \_ Not really.     -mice
           \_ thanks for adding nothing.  why bother posting?
              \_ Pot, kettle, black, shithead.
        \_ Actually, I think people are avoiding political posts in the off
           hours, when they could be easily culled or ignored.
           \_ Exactly.  Because most of the politically interested people
              aren't online after work hours.
        \_ You can't troll when no one's around.
           \_ How to trolling when asking techie FAQs when others around
                being?  Is be much thank pleasing yes if would you answer
                my question reading google for me!  tx!
                \_ don't know how to imitate, don't imitate lah.  makes
                   you look very silly.
        \_ So what?
2004/4/2-3 [Politics, Uncategorized/Profanity, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:12990 Activity:nil
4/2     Fuck your selective censorship. If you want to delete stuff, delete
        fairly, not just threads that get a lot of discussion.
        \_ LIGHT CANDLE!
        \_ Better, yet, don't delete stuff.  It only encourages all these
           politics assholes to post even more.  If the censor left it all
           alone the politics people would get bored and go away once they
           saw that their ranting never goes anywhere but the censor never
           lets them get to that point so it goes on and on....
           \_ Stuff over 1 day old is fair game to delete. It's just the
              censor usually deletes certain things within hours or less,
              and surgically choosing particular ones for no good reason.
              \_ Exactly.  If he left everything alone the politics morons
                 would finally get a chance to get it out of their system and
                 go away so we could talk about sports and linux again the way
                 the motd was meant to be.
2004/3/31-4/1 [Science, Politics] UID:12961 Activity:nil
3/31    Is the difference between Prism 2.5 and 2 just the power of the
        transmitter?  So is 2.5 a power hog?
2004/3/31-4/1 [Politics] UID:12944 Activity:moderate
3/31    The O'Franken Factor http://www.airamericaradio.com
        \_ Wow, he's making fun of Michael Moore.
        \_ Anyone hear Harry Shearer's "Le Show"?
        \_ wow, this is really un-funny
           \_ The hell you say?
           \_ He's good enough, he's smart enough, and doggone it, people
              like him.
2004/3/23-24 [Politics/Domestic/Crime, Politics] UID:12823 Activity:nil
3/23    How come MS can get away with violating NDA and industrial espionage?
        \_ They're just innovating.  STFU.
        \_ We don't know.  IBM was facing anti-trust charges when it controled
           40% of the mainframe market in the 1980s.  For some reason,
           the government never really bother with Microsoft eventhough it
           controls 95% of the desktop market, and repeatly using its market
           dominance to stiffle competition.
           \_ Why do you hate capitalism?  Microsoft should only be restrained
              by market forces.
              \_ because true hands off capitalism generally leads to monopoly.
                 Look at the railroad monopolies of the mid-late 1800s for
                 examples of what unrestrained capitalism leads to.
                 \_ You've just been trolled
                    \_ BA BAM!
              \_ if you got a chance, read Adam Smith and various classic
                 text on capitalism.  You may find that "perfect competition"
                 is the fundamental building block of working capitalism.
                 Those who advocate competition are actually those who
                 prefer capitalism.
2004/3/15 [Politics] UID:12668 Activity:nil
3/15    Doonesbury hasn't been that good lately, but this Sunday's was not bad
2004/3/10 [Computer/Companies/Yahoo, Politics] UID:12596 Activity:nil
3/10    Yahoo! News - Mars Stinks:
2004/3/3 [Politics] UID:12495 Activity:nil
3/3     Is this for real?
        http://www.promisedland.com  -John the signed idiot motd racist
2004/2/20-21 [Politics] UID:12334 Activity:nil
2/22    Eddie Clontz, editor of the Weekly World News, dead at 56
        Where will we read about Bat Boy now?!
2004/2/8-9 [Politics/Domestic, Politics] UID:12164 Activity:high
2/8     English people are still ugly:
        \_ Nice little racist troll.  Good attmpt.  No cookie.
           \_ i hardly see how that's racist, considering there are several
              races represented.
2004/2/8-9 [Science, Politics] UID:12159 Activity:nil
2/7     Are "silver" projector screens ok for projecting images from my
        laptop?  (say a power point presentation or something like that)
        Is white better?  Does it make any difference?
        \_ Most important thing to look for is lumens, the resolution
           (for PPT. for other applications, res might be more important)
        \_ power point?  shoot yourself.
           \_ Power point has it's place.  I may have to deal with some
              annoying things, but a boss isn't one of them, so it is a small
              price to pay.  How's your boss?
              \_ My boss sucks cock but I never have to touch power point.
                 I can get a new boss.  When will you stop using PP?
2004/1/27 [Politics, Computer/Networking, Recreation/Computer/Games] UID:29764 Activity:kinda low
1/26    MSFT is taking over http://MikeRoweSoft.com (CNN)
        \_ damn, this was people's last stand against the Sauron.
           Now he's going to take over the world.
           \_ resistance is futile. you will be assimilated.
        \_ Now what'll happen to http://mycrowsoft.com and <DEAD>mycrowessoft.com<DEAD>?
2004/1/22-23 [Reference/Celebration, Politics] UID:11893 Activity:nil
1/22    Happy Lunar New Year
        \_ Racist.
           \_ Ass monkey.
              \_ Racist.
                 \_ Specieist.
           \_ Why?
              \_ Hint: Begins with 'T' and rhymes with 'roll"
                 \_ Toll?
2004/1/6 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush, Politics] UID:11686 Activity:nil
1/6     Nothing wrong with a bit of capitalism to take advantage
        of trendy righteous indignation:
        http://www.babesagainstbush.com/main.html       -John
          \_ link:csua.org/u/5fz
2003/12/23-24 [Politics/Domestic/Crime, Politics] UID:11573 Activity:high
12/23   Malvo gets life in prison w/o parole.  Question:  Is this punishment
        actually worse than death by lethal injection?
        \_ I say yes (unless you're terrified of death, in which case
           that'd be the worst). Life in prison, even 20+ years in
           prison, is a hugely significant event. Most of the prisoners
           I'm sure probably wish they could die after being trapped
           inside concrete walls for years on end.
           \_ Evidently not, or there'd be a lot more dead prisoners.
              It's not all THAT hard to commit suicide.
        \_ Well I'm just surprised that race wasn't brought up as an issue.
           Smart black men hire smart lawyers to defend them based on race
           and they often get away with it.
        \_ Does life without parole really mean there's no possiblity of parole
           (aside from wrong conviction) and we really never have to worry
           about seeing the convicted on the streets again?
2003/12/12 [Politics] UID:11424 Activity:nil
12/11   Yahoo! News - Virginia Arrests Man for Spam E-Mail Under New Law:
        It says the guy arrested is the 8th worst spammer in the world.  Woo
2003/12/10 [Politics] UID:11396 Activity:nil
12/9    Okay, this advanced soldier uniform looks WAY too much like an
        Imperial Stormtrooper:
        \_ Das! All heil evil infidels of the BushReich!
                \_ Your post was was not funny.  Mine was.  --op
        \_ I think I saw that guy playing paintball last year.
2003/12/2 [Computer/Companies/Yahoo, Politics] UID:11279 Activity:nil
12/2    Yahoo! News - Serious Linux Security Flaw Found
        Must be the best moment for Gates.
2003/11/29-12/1 [Politics] UID:11266 Activity:nil
11/29   Capitalism run amok!
        http://csua.org/u/54c (cnn link)
        \_ SHIT!  What has this world come to?  And man, the Wal-Mart
           spokeswoman's quote: "We want her to come back as a shopper."
           I wish it was her that was trampled...
2003/11/26 [Computer/Companies/Yahoo, Politics] UID:11230 Activity:nil
11/25   "A Muslim chaplain who served at the U.S. prison camp in Guantanamo
        Bay, Cuba, was charged Tuesday with adultery and storing pornography on
        a government computer".
        http://csua.org/u/53p (Yahoo News)
        I thought this guy was booked for spying.  Not enough evidence?  Next
        week he's going to be charged with spitting in public.
        \_ Because to charge him with espionage they'd have to reveal in
           public what it was he was stealing which defeats the purpose of
           charging him with espionage and trying to keep secrets in the
           first place.  Are you naive or just intenionally ignorant?
           \_ how awfully convenient
           \_ No.  It was just too funny so I posted it.  -- OP
           \_ In other words, you just can't parody this shit.
2003/11/11-12 [Science, Politics] UID:11031 Activity:nil
11/11   Power question for you guys...  Could bad sectors on a hard drive be
        caused by an insufficient power supply?  I have a good-quality 300W
        buy have an athlon 1700, 3 7,200 RPM hdds, 2 optical drives, and a
        GeForce FX 5600.  Am I pushing for a brownout?
        \_ I don't think that would cause bad sectors but anything's possible.
           Check the power consumption specs for your devices and add up the W.
           Just a guestimate: (20*5)+75+50+20=245 you're getting close to 300W.
        \_ Yes.  Insufficient or poorly regulated power can cause HDD problems.
2003/11/6 [Politics] UID:29614 Activity:high
11/5    Hey weener-boy.  Why do you insist on bringing these dead motds back
        to life?
        \_ Why do you insist on blindly wiping the entire motd that other
           people were still using to discuss active topics?  Is this where
           I'm supposed to add some childish personal insult?  They're only
           dead because some moron killed them.  Think about it.
           \_ I didn't wipe it, but I was really glad to see it go.  Let's
              face it, the motd is a toilet for the feces of the human mind.
              Best to just flush it.
              \_ Mr. Hanky was here.
              \_ And yet you still keep coming back for more.
                 \_ Yes, its a kind of sick fascination with the innards of
                    the human psyche.  However, I'm not blinkered enough to
                    spend my time backing up and restoring all this nonsense.
                    \_ yeah the 'cp' command is a tough one.  "man cp"
2003/10/27-28 [Science, Politics] UID:10807 Activity:low
10/27   I am looking for one Cal Berkeley "True Blue" t-shirt w/ the Power
        Bar logo on the back. These were given out for free to student's
        who bought the CAL football season ticket.  Offering $15 OBO.
        Please email eyip.  Thx.
        \_ is this not the same shirt you can buy for $13 on http://calbears.com?
           \_ No, that one doesnt have the red Power Bar logo in the back.
              \_ ok, why you're so insistent on having a corporate logo
                 on your back is beyond me, but good luck in your search
                 \_ he's a slave to the Man.
2003/10/24 [Politics] UID:10771 Activity:nil
10/24   I dedicate this thread to the spewage of bile and hatred towards
        National Public Radio.  Please begin.
        \_ Hey. I just(6 days ago) started listening to NPR again. I like.
        \_ NPR is great, what are you smoking?
        \_ yeah what's so bad, at least they don't devote 4 hours
           a day devoted to spreading thinly disguised outright LIES
           about their political enemies.
           \_ they are about as objective as Pravda.
              \_ and i HATE classical and jazz do we really need 4 stations
                 on the FM dial in the same area that all play classical and
                 jazz? I don't think so.  And they're news coverage of local
                 politics is a complete farce.  Where I live the numbnuts
                 NPR announcers can't even pronounce the name of the govorner
                 of the state(because they don't know shit about local
                 politics.) I'm not sure that the comparison to Pravda is
                 appropriate, however.  Pravda was just lies and bullshit
                 news.  NPR is lies and bullshit news intersperced with the
                 worst music immaginable and endless purile game shows
                 and pontifications by jackoff "experts".
2003/10/21 [Politics/Foreign/Europe, Politics] UID:10713 Activity:nil 75%like:10700
10/21   Danh is in the news again!
        \_ That you, aspo?
2003/10/20 [Politics, Politics/Foreign/Europe] UID:10700 Activity:nil 75%like:10713
10/20   danh in the news
        \_ That you, aspo?
2003/10/15-16 [Computer/Companies/Yahoo, Politics] UID:10637 Activity:nil
10/15   "Yahoo! News - Girl Scouts Work to Punch Up Image"
        What has Girl Scouts become?  Next there will be Girl-Scouts-sponsered
        orgy and a grand price for the girl who gets the most dicks in the
        \_ Girl Scouts has always sucked.  I had a number of female friends
           who joined the boy scouts because they were sick of the lameass
           shit they did in the girl scouts.
           \_ do the boy scouts allow that?!?!
              \_ Explorer scouts
        \_ dead link.
           \_ Looks like http://csua.org is down.
        \_ This would require the girl scouts to promote heterosexuality.
2003/10/7-8 [Politics, Computer/Companies/Yahoo] UID:10516 Activity:high 52%like:10507
10/7    http://csua.org/u/4ml [story.news.yahoo.com]
        FYE. The word F---ing is allowed on TV.
        \_ It's also allowed on csua motd.
        \_ Not the first time this has happened on a national show...
        \_ See NBC's broadcast of the documentary filmmakers following
           around the NYFD on Sept. 11.  All manner of "obscenities"
           \_ And most live major sporting events.
              \_ Nut scratching and male/male ass grabbing is not obscene!
                 I've seen it on TV!
2003/10/3 [Politics/Domestic, Politics] UID:10436 Activity:nil
10/2    Why does Rush lose his job while Dusty Baker gets to keep his
        after saying:
        "Personally, I like to play in the heat. It's easier for most Latin
        guys and most minority people because most of us come from the heat.
        You don't find too many brothers from New Hampshire and Maine and the
        Upper Peninsula of Michigan, right? I mean we were brought over for
        the heat, right? I mean, ain't that history? Weren't we brought over
        here because we could take the heat?"
        \_ If you thought about this you'd figure it out. Well, maybe you
           wouldn't, since you're pretty committed to your premise.
           \_ Why bother posting?  Ooooh, you're so mysterious and all knowing
              and wise!  You have Greater Wisdom you can't reveal to us
              peasants!  The truth is there's a double standard.  That's the
              answer to the OP's question.
        \_ umm... Dusty is black. Rush is white?
           \_ So it's ok for a non-white to be racist and say racist things?
2003/9/28 [Politics, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:10350 Activity:nil
9/27    Say I want to kill processes older than x hours. If I make a list of PIDs,
        check the start time, and kill on that basis, there is a small
        possibility that that process will terminate after I've done the check
        but before I do the kill, and that another (possibly important) process
        will take on that PID, and I would thus end up killing this important
        process. Is there any way to avoid this race condition without going down
        to kernel level? Thanks.
        \- sure, lots of ways. check ppid, argv string, start time of
           process, etc. the rightway.easiest way probably depends on
           some details of how you are trying to do this but certainly
           you can with ps | awk/grep | (xargs|) kill. --psb
           \_ well, that mitigates it somewhat further, but does not remove the
              essential race condition.
              \- yes it does, if you do it correctly. or do you think
                 something like PAWS isnt good enough either. --psb
                 \_ no, it doesn't.  it's still a race condition.  pipes are
                    not atomic.  you should know better.  there's still a slim
                    chance that between the ps and the kill, the proc exits and
                    another starts.  -!op
              \_ If you check the start time like the first reply suggests, it
                 should eliminate the problem.
                 \_ yes, but what if time wraps around too? :9
                 \_ No, it's not atomic.  Don't they teach Computer Science
                    anymore?  I haven't done real CS in years yet I still know
                    a race condition when I see one.
        \_ There is a race condition, but it doesn't matter.  Running kill on
           a nonexistant PID doesn't hurt anything, and if you've really got a
           system that can wrap around 100k PIDs in the time it takes to run
           your ps | ... | kill, you've got one whacked machine.
2003/9/23 [Politics] UID:10288 Activity:nil
9/22    Wow, someone *really* doesn't like it when people talk about
        wartime or military technologies.  I wonder what the big deal is....
        \_ I ve noticed people like to delete threads where I reply and
           sign my name. -- ilyas
           \_ Perhaps -- but the Motd Military Censoring Cocksucker seems to
              rabidly censor anything military that turns into a lengthier
           \_ Have you noticed people like to delete threads where your
              name isn't signed?
              \_ Not particularly, no.  Someone's slacking I guess.
2003/9/16 [Health, Computer/HW/Memory, Politics] UID:10206 Activity:low
9/16    You gotta love how these studies are trumpeted all over the news,
        but then when they are discredited and retracted its barely mentioned:
        \_ And pot turns you into a werewolf
           \_ Oh man, no *wonder* I've been waking up naked covered in blood.
        \_ "We're scientists, not politicians... but we're not chemists."
            Great article, thank you.
        \_ There was no original study trumpeted anywhere but I've seen
           variations on this article for a week.  Shut yer whining trap and
           go get stoned then flip my burger.
           \_ You missed all the hooplah about ecstasy and memory damage and
              the rest? Wow.
              \_ It's all the crack. It does bad stuff to memory. I think.
              \_ There was no hooplah unless you're a big ecstasy fanboy.
                 The rest of us saw an article or two and moved on because
                 it wasn't a bfd.
                 \_ Sorry, wrong.  This study was used to promote a very
                    serious law and criminalized raves.  It was a very big
                    deal for a lot of people, and was covered nationwide.
                    However, I do believe people are making a big deal of the
                    retraction as well.
                    \_ "for a lot of people".  translation: the niche crowd
                       raving on ecstasy.  the other 99.999% didn't care the
                       first time or anymore about the retraction.  this is
                       just the ravers being self centered and overly inner
                       focussed.  there are a shitload of laws passed everyday
                       that have a negative impact on my life and you don't see
                       me bitching about being oppressed everytime they pass or
                       repeal such a law.  its a party drug.  it has zero
                       beneficial medical uses when taken while dancing all
                       night to bad music with a water bottle in hand.
                       \_ It's also a useful psychiatric tool that's been
                          classified with crack and heroin as having "zero
                          medical benefits" because of a flawed study.
                          It's important to everyone because it shows how
                          willing government-backed scientist will be to
                          loudly and falsely proclaim that drugs are bad.
                          By the way, I've NEVER tried E or been to a rave.
                          I am, however, angered by my country's screwy and
                          self-defeating drug policy.
2003/9/15 [Politics] UID:10197 Activity:nil
9/14    Breaking news: Federals appeals court delays recall.  This is real
        news.  Which fat sysadmin just censored this?  Come on, get a life.
        Here's the AP story:
2003/9/11-12 [Politics] UID:10151 Activity:high
9/10    Opus returns:
        \_ "I think there's been three great strips that have gone away over
           the last five, 10 years that I really miss: 'Bloom County,' 'Calvin
           and Hobbes' and 'The Far Side.' Those are the three strips that
           never should have ceased."
           It's funny to think how Bill Watterson and Berkeley Breathed had
           a spat.  Does anyone have a URL to that sketch Watterson sent
           to Breathed?  It was someone stuffing cash into a speedboat.
           \_ Wasn't Bloom County a shameless rip-off of Doonesbury?  I
              remember reading about Breathed doing a wholesale copy of
              another strip.  Please correct me if I'm wrong.
                 \_ Bloom County has elements from Doonesbury, but
                    so does just about every good occasionally politically
                    oriented comic strip, it's not fair to tar Bloom County
                    as being a complete rip-off of Doonsebury. - danh
                    \_ hey, don't blame the motd.  Trudeau is still pissed
                       about this.  i don't understand why, since they
                       both won pulitzer prizes.
              \_ http://www.toonopedia.com/bloom.htm
           \_ I hated Bloom County when I was a kid. Then again I wasn't crazy
              about Doonesbury. But I liked the talking cigarette ones.
                \_ so go read Garfield, moron
                   \_ I love the motd.  He doesn't like something you like so
                      he's automatically a moron.  That's so great.  You guys
                      are all so kewl since you know what the right comics are!
                        \_ he doesn't like the two comics which actually
                           had intelligence.
                           \_ oh, so Calvin and Hobbes and the Far Side
                              totally lack intelligence?  i see. you're
                              a dumbass. it's all clear now.
                           \_ no, he didn't like the two comics which were
                              super heavily opinionated, somewhat weird and
                              often not at all funny.  some people like their
                              funny pages to be funny.  weird, huh?  he must
                              be a moron for not liking that same things as
                              "everyone else".
                                \_ no, he's a moron for not liking Bloom
                                   \_ Uh huh.  Bloom County was only so-so and
                                      for only part of the run.  The Earth kept
                                      spinning when he stopped writing it.
                           \_ Dude, he said, "WHen I was a kid."  You're
                            calling an 8yr old stupid for not liking
                              political strips?
           \_ A Google search for "bill watterson art breathed" returns this as
              the first link: http://ignatz.brinkster.net/cbillart.html
2003/9/1 [Politics] UID:10026 Activity:nil
8/31    Charles Bronson, dead at 81
        Only Robert Vaughn(Lee) is left.
2003/8/9 [Computer/Theory, Politics] UID:29292 Activity:nil
8/8     <DEAD>www.arghnold.com<DEAD>
        \_ A spanking ? Yeah.. shows their intelligence / maturity level.
           \_ What, did you get your sense of humor amputated at your bris?
2003/7/30 [Science, Politics] UID:29186 Activity:nil
7/30    Damned chocolate power bars.  So nasty.
        \_ The "power" part should've clued you in with regards to taste.
2003/7/28-29 [Reference/Law, Politics] UID:29163 Activity:high
7/28    Is there any law or something that allows the telemarketers not
        to disclose the party that provided them my personal info? I had
        a telemarketer call me a few weeks ago and he refused to provide
        this information. It really would be nice to find out who has
        been selling my contact info to them..
        \_ use a different middle initial each time you give out your name,
           or a different suffix or prefix, like jr. or sr., and keep track
           of who has what name. then all you have to do is ask them what
           your full name is in their database, and you have the culprit.
        \_ I think you mean "is there a law which forces telemarketers to
           disclose the party...".
        \_ A lot of times, they don't have access to that. They get all
           sorts of lists and compile them. I bet the data is encoded in
           the dB, but the lackeys who do the calls don't get that info on
           their screen.
           \_ ask for their manager
        \_ A friend of mine used to manager a telemarketer bank.  She claims
           that the whole thing about "do not call lists" and such is bullshit
           because they're often just using the phone book.
2003/7/24 [Computer/Theory, Politics] UID:29132 Activity:nil
7/24    All right:  http://www.emode.com/jumpto?test=eiqogt
        Emotional IQ test.  I want to see how many of you are the wonderful
        human beings I know you are.
2003/6/11 [Politics, Politics/Foreign/Asia/China] UID:28706 Activity:insanely high
6/11    I highly recommend Amy Chua's book "World on Fire".  She writes about
        how market-dominant minorities (chinese in SE asia, indians in
        east africa, jews in post-communist russia, whites in zimbabwe, etc)
        disproportionally benefit from free market economy.  Blindly promoting
        democracy and free market leads to disaster in most third world
        \_ OMG the jews are dominating the economy in Russia?  Let's drag
           'em all out and gas 'em.  While we're at it, let's nail the
           chinks, the ragheads, and the honkies too.
           \_ Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Fuhrer, baby.
        \_ Mugabe is solving the problem in Zimbabwe by allowing roaming thugs
           to murder white farmers and take their land.  The result is that the
           already-bad food shortage is getting worse because the farmers who
           were actually farming have been killed.  Oh, and the poaching of
           endangered species there is going through the roof due to the
           disorder.  Yay.
           \_ He isn't "allowing".  It is government sponsored and the thugs
              getting the best land are his own relatives and army generals.
              \_ Sorry about that.  I didn't have any good references that made
                 that claim.  Thanks for clearing it up.
                 \_ I've posted it to the motd before.  I might be able to
                    find it again if anyone cared.
        \_ What you miss is that economies can not transform third world
           cesspools into first world liberal democracies overnight.  A
           complex set of institutions, such as the rule of law and
           property rights, must develop incrementally.  This can be
           a painful experience (although less so than Marxism) -
           as evidenced in Western economic development.
           Also, her thesis, like most liberals, implicitly assumes some
           in vogue 'mascot' group has been victimized by
           another ethnicity, implying the group is unable to govern
           themselves.  This is thinly veiled racism, and only perpetuates
           the problem by deflecting responsibility
           for their actions and the governments they support.  With the
           libs its always Im a victim and its someone else's fault.
           \_ And free markets are the best way to establish the rule of law...
           \_ responsibility?  for one's own actions?  are you a Republican?!
           \_ Name one country that has followed the free market prescription
              to success in the 60 years since the end of WWII. All the
              countries that have tried: Russia, Argentina, Chile, Bolivia,
              El Salvador, etc, are impoverished. The few countries that have
              risen from general poverty have all protected their markets,
              imposed tariffs on imports to help grow local industry, and
              avoided IMF and World Bank meddling: Singapore, Taiwan and
              South Korea. The Free Market ideologues have a good line of
              rhetoric, but a very poor track record.
              \_ For what purpose was the IMF was created? - hint post WWII
                 reconstruction.  Irony is all the states you mentioned
                 have socialist / marxist tendencies.  Chile, incidentally,
                 under the nationalist anti-communist Pinochet has
                 done quite well compared to its neigbors.  Further,
                 'Free trade' and economic liberialism are not equivalent,
                 and if you read my statement, nowhere did I imply as
                 [indent corrected]
              \_ just curious on the motd opinions, where does israel fit into
                 these discussions?  aren't they a free market and how was it
                 all established to work so much better than other nations?
        \_ If I order this book through Amazon, do I get put on the FBI
           potential terrorist list?
2003/6/10 [Science, Politics] UID:28695 Activity:nil
6/10    aaron, why do you misuse your power at Google? Have you no ethics?
        \_ what is the point of having power, if you can't misuse it? -!aaron
        \_ google has no power.
        \_ why are you wasting time trolling me --aaron
        \_ what did he do?
2003/5/6 [Health/Disease/General, Politics] UID:28347 Activity:nil
5/5     More on smelly co-workers:
        The only smelly co-worker I've had is a really fat white guy.
        I don't know why he stinks like shit; maybe it's because he
        doesn't wash under his folds or maybe he has some kind of
        fat disease.  Still everyone is kind enough not to say
        anything.  This fat guy also liked to make off-colored racist
        jokes which eventually got him a warning from management.  I
        guess the phrase "stinky racist" aptly describes him.
        \_ Why do you mention he was white or that he was male or his weight?
           I find your lack of PC sensitivity truly offensive!  What did the
           berkeley dyke say to the other berkeley dyke?  That's not funny!
           BWahahahahhahaha!  I love that one!
2003/4/16 [Politics] UID:28142 Activity:nil
4/16    The government has downgraded the terror alert back down to
        yellow which, once again, means absolutely nothing.
        \_ It's a pretty helpful indicator of how much you should expect
           to pay for gas, though.
        \_ The color coding scheme was intended for law enforcement, not the
           general public but of course the idiots in the media love the
           simplicity so they flash it all over as if it means something.
           \_ exactly.  They may put more troops/national guard/security
              at higher threat levels.
2003/4/12 [Politics] UID:28100 Activity:high
4/11    Faux News Vindicated, they can lie all they want:
        \_ Why don't you just fuck off, fucktard?  Get a life or go
           home to mommy.  No one wants you here.
        \_ Rather funny.  I also liked how you ticked off the idiot guy.
           Performance: A+.
           \_ Hey cunt face, eat a bag of shit and die, willya?
        \_ It seems the author of the article personifies what he is
        \_ More to the point, why are no reputable news sources reporting
           this? Google News shows nothing, and surely you aren't going to
           make conspiracy theories involving all 4,500 of the independent
           news sources Google indexes? Or are you? Or are you gonna just
           blame Google?
           \_ It's kind of old, Google news doesn't go back very far (major
              news sites archive their news rather quick). But you can try
              regular googling. http://www.foxbghsuit.com
2003/3/27-28 [Politics] UID:27882 Activity:nil 56%like:27766
3/27    another CNN close captioning irc feed,
        server <DEAD>sfrh.idlenet.org<DEAD>
        channel #cnn-live
        and it's not in all caps! - danh
        \_ I can't seem to get this to work. ... can't find the channel.
           \_ you have to join "#cnn-live", not "cnn-live"
        \_ (on soda)
           sirc yourmom <DEAD>sfrh.idlenet.org<DEAD>
             (you might have to try a couple of times because of soda's
             whack identd)
             /join #cnn-live
2003/3/20 [Computer/SW/Apps, Politics] UID:27766 Activity:nil 56%like:27882
3/20    CNN close caption IRC channel, EFNet (try
        the server <DEAD>irc.he.net<DEAD> from Soda, sirc
        is a fun irc client), channel #CNN-LIVE
2003/2/1 [Politics] UID:27270 Activity:nil
1/31    http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/01/31/counting.religions.ap/index.html
2003/1/30 [Politics] UID:27252 Activity:nil
1/30    Move over SI, here comes National Geograpics Swimsuit Edition:
        \_ SI >> cgs!!!
        \_ This news is sooooo old.
           \_ CNN is slow.
        \_ I guess subscription is down and they want to boost sales.
2003/1/6-7 [Politics] UID:27005 Activity:kinda low
1/6     http://csua.org/u/775 (story.news.yahoo.com)
        "...... soldiers preparing to go overseas were doing some post-holiday
        shopping -- for boots, knives, warm-weather gear and anything else
        that might come in handy on the battlefield."
        Doesn't the military provide all the gears that the soldiers use?  I
        thought everything is standardized.
        \_ they get G.I. stuff but you can bring your own extras.
        \_ Example: US Army used to issue Field boots made by Corcoran
           which are really nice.  Now they issue the cheaper Altama
           field boots.  But those in the military will often still go
           out and buy the Corcoran's on their own dime.
           \_ Remember, it's the very best goods the lowest bidder can offer.
              Mattel and IBM used to supply the US weapons because they were
              the cheapest bidders.
              \_ Mattel the toy company?
                 \_ Actually a bit of a myth. They supplied the plastic
                    handgrips and made a very realistic toy replica. IBM
                    did make and sell M1 carbines to the US Government.
2002/12/30 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq, Politics] UID:26937 Activity:high
12/28   Be careful what you say, you might get a visit from the police:
        \_ boo hoo, terrorist boy gets nabbed by the FBI.  That is exactly
           how it is supposed to work.
           \_ yup.  China had that all worked out for DECADES.
           \_ Only a russian jew would trade freedom for a "safe" and
              "fair" system he can find the loopholes in.
        \_ All I can say is it's a good thing she didn't call anyone a
           "nigger" or call her roommate a "wetback" she would've gone
           to jail for that.
        \_ I must be missing something here, because it starts off with a
           story about a girl and "Metal Gear Solid" then suddenly
           switches to some guy from Yemen.  Huh?
           Not to meantion, so people from terrorist countries are checked
           out more thoughorly nowdays.  Big whup.
           \_ Yemen is a terrorist country?  I thought they were one of our
              "important allies".  Funny how muddled all this gets.  Hey,
              wasn't that federal building bombing in Oklahoma done by U.S.
              citizens.  Maybe we should start looking more closely at them
              too.  I know.  Let's just start rounding up students.  They
              think about alot of different things, and some of those things
              must be dangerous.
              \_ A) Just because the goverment likes us, doesn't mean
                 everyone in the country does.  Case and point: Saudi
                 Arabia.  (The opposite is also true, say, Iraq.)
                 B) I didn't see you whining back when all the "militias"
                 we're getting checked out.  Or even when Waco went down.
        \_ this writer needs to go back to journalism school. they never
        introduce "Kamal" until a paragraph AFTER referring to him with
        third person pronouns...totally fucking confusing shit article. --aaron
2002/12/3 [Reference/Law, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd, Politics] UID:26698 Activity:nil
12/3    First law of the motd: As the length of the motd increases, the
        probability of someone saying '_____ IS THE STANDARD!' approaches 1.
        \_ First law of Lotto: As the number of times you buy Lotto increases,
           the probability of you winning once approaches 1.
           \_ Not always true.  You could choose the same number on all
              tickets you buy.
           \_ I assume you mean buying all combos and not buying every week
              \_ No, I meant if you keep on buying one Lotto ticket every
                 round, the probability of you winning in one or more of the
                 rounds approaches 1.
                 \_ if the probability of winning the lottery is < 1,
                    then the overall probability of the algorithm you propose
                    will never reach one.  (yes, it approaches)
                    if the probability of winning the lotery is 1,
                    then the overall probability of the algorithm is 1
                    \_ I never said it reaches one.  I only said it approaches
2002/11/8 [Politics] UID:26463 Activity:nil
11/7    Current thread on BBC online is most outrageous and/or ridiculous band
        names. Can anyone top "And You Will Know Us by the Trail of the Dead"?
2002/10/22-23 [Science, Politics] UID:26281 Activity:kinda low
10/22   Anyone know about the power outage in Berkeley?
        \_ yeah, the power went out.  i think its back now.
2002/10/14 [Politics/Domestic, Politics] UID:26174 Activity:very high
10/14   is there a news magazine that *doesn't* suck?
        \_ no.  by definition news magazine = pre-digested safe news for the
           ugly uneducated masses.
        \_ economist
           \_ capitalist tool. Well written, though.
              \_ Aren't they generally on the balance?  The world news coverage
                 is pretty good compared to most American news.
        \_ The Week
2002/9/25-26 [Science, Politics] UID:26004 Activity:nil
9/25    bad times for Bell Labs:
        This is just sad, although I think the editorial staff at Science
        and Nature share some small part of the culpability.
2002/9/13 [Politics] UID:25881 Activity:high
9/13    http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2002411747,00.html
        \_ http://www.bayarea.com/mld/bayarea/4065780.htm
2002/9/8 [Politics] UID:25802 Activity:very high
9/7     this is a miracle...an all-[african]american us open final!
        \_ Racist.  They made it there on merit, not race or color.
                \_ How is this racist? Any comment about someone's
                   ethnicity is immediately called racist. The race
                   card is played too often, and trivializes the
                   \_ are you saying this because I am black?
        \_ nazi
           \_ Hey, some of my best friends are nazis.
2002/9/4 [Politics] UID:25768 Activity:high
9/4     motd occupation /politics poll:
        engineer/programmer, left of center:  ...
        engineer/programmer, right of center:
        sysadmin, left of center: .
        sysadmin, right of center: .
        scientist, exactly a centrist: .
        cs educator, left of center: .
2002/9/1-3 [Politics] UID:25749 Activity:high
9/1     Does anyone know how I can obtain an archive of the CNN breaking
        news alerts that they sent out from September - December last
        year?  -asb
        \_ I'm sure CNN archives them and would probably sell them to you
           for $10.
           \_ Wow, I'm sure they didn't think of going to CNN.  Good call!
             \_ I emailed CNN (newseditor@MAIL.CNN.COM) nearly 2 months ago
                   and got no response. -asb
                \_ "Mr Wow" is an idiot.  asb, CNN lives in the real world.
                   In TRW people like CNN use phones.  I know for a fact they
                   have a staff of people who do nothing but take requests for
                   transcripts of shows.  It is possible and likely they
                   archive their other stuff as well.  To get to it, pick up a
                   phone and talk to a human being.  Mr Wow, next time apply
                   brain before opening editor, you'll do better in life.
                     \_ Someone needs to relax here.  Let's go easy on Mr. Wow
                        \_ Morons on the motd are fine.  That's expected since
                           half are 2nd year and the other half are stoned and
                           burned out alums.  Morons who stomp around telling
                           other people (incorrectly) how stupid they are need
                           to be stomped out of existence.
2002/8/15 [Politics] UID:25573 Activity:nil
8/15    Has anyone on soda experienced fat discrimination in school or the
        workplace?  I've been reading about discrimination against fat
        people.  Children are more likely to discriminate against a fat
        person of the same race than a normal person of a different race.
        Stuff like that.  Comments?
        \_ I discriminate against fat people.
        \_ I'm lighter than average.  I've been discriminated against, singled
           out, called names, asked rude questions.  BTW, boo-fucking-hoo.  Get
           over it, fat boy.  Eat less.  --skinny dude
2002/7/25-26 [Politics] UID:25417 Activity:low
7/25    How many people actually have dead-pixels on their LCDs? Which
        company offers good warranty (replacement even w/1 dead pixel)?
        \_ got a sony monitor with 1 dead pixel (after 2 years), haven't
           bothered to try to replace it.
        \_ how does one get dead pixels anyways? Heat? Humidity?
           \_ Fingernail?
2002/6/27-28 [Reference/Law, Politics, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA] UID:25219 Activity:nil
6/26    /csua/pub/jobs/brobeck-part-time
        Law firm looking for someone who knows communications/digital
        signal processing to help them out.
2002/6/27 [Politics] UID:25213 Activity:nil
6/26    http://www.theonion.com/onion3326/homosexualrecruit.html
2002/6/25-26 [Science, Politics] UID:25192 Activity:moderate
6/24    http://www.geekissues.org/quotes/?top --jon
        \_ DAMN YOU JON! I was trying to get work done today, too. DAMN YOU.
2002/6/18 [Politics] UID:25133 Activity:nil
6/17    USA 2  Mexico 0
        \_ Insert your own racist dish-washing related joke here.
           \_ Why is a factual statement of scores racist?  You need to get
              out of Berkeley and get some fresh air.
        \_ What, you just found out?
2002/5/17 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/India, Politics] UID:24863 Activity:nil
5/16    http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?u=/nm/20020516/sc_nm/space_jupiter_dc_1
2002/5/6 [Politics, Finance/Investment] UID:24720 Activity:moderate
5/6     There will be change because all the military have are guns
        \_ don't you mean "our" ? And no they don't. At least not my arsenal.
        \_ ruling junta vs. nobel laureate
        \_ Perhaps you could be more specific?  Which military?  What change?
           Are you 420 friendly?  Wanna chill with me at 111 Mina?  Don't you
           think the bartender is cute?
2002/5/5-6 [Politics] UID:24710 Activity:nil
5/4     Sonicblue is dead:
2002/5/1-3 [Politics] UID:24670 Activity:high
5/1     New study offers conclusive proof that blackouts were a scam:
        \_ So this seems to be saying that if you elect morons to run your
           state you get what you deserve.
           \_ Who deleted my Gray Davis troll?
              \_ 1 4373373d y0uR Tr011. I hax0r3d r00t. -Al g0r3
           \_ ^state^country
              \_ ^country^world in general
        \_ The real problem was this: the various morons in both the state
           legislature and the governor's office knew nothing about power so
           they hired some power people to tell them about power and trusted
           everything they were told without even a quick once over critical
           reading.  They voted on it sight unseen and we all got fucked.
           What else is new?  It started under Pete with a (D) legislature
           and then continued and was made worse by Grey and the (D) legis.
           Pretty much it comes down to the politicians in this state are
           just too dumb to run the state properly.  They have no clue wtf
           they're doing and it has very little if anything to do with which
           political party they belong to.
           \_ So you're advocating the government hire top professionals
              who know a lot about a subject, but aren't involved monetarily
              to come up with a workable long and short term solution that
              can be done politically, while they aren't politicially active
              themselves, and do it quickly, but do a great job. Plus the
              government should also know intrinsicly that whether the advice
              they are given is valid, rational, and the best one possible.
              Woohoo! Let's do that!
              \_ same kinda of top professionals that advised the  state to
                 spend $90 milllion on Oracle licenses the state didn't need?
              \_ That'd be nice but out here in the real world I'm advocating
                 that politicians stop fucking with things they don't
                 understand and at least read the fucking reports they spent
                 my money to have written on the topics if they insist on
                 breaking things.  That is not too much to ask.
           \_ No politican can do much if the power generators are colluding
              to pull power off the market, which they clearly were.
              \_ The politicians created the laws and incentives that allowed
                 them to.  You don't blame the fox when you put it in charge
                 of your hen house and find a bunch of dead hens the next day.
                 \_ Sure, you blame yourself but you shoot the fox anyway.
2002/5/1 [Politics] UID:24656 Activity:nil
5/1     Jews abuse their economic power in attempt to silence NYT.
        \_ Yeah..  a boycott is such an "abuse of economic power".  Grow up.
2002/4/28-29 [Politics] UID:24621 Activity:very high
4/28    Yo Way Yo, Kai is dead, Lexx is dead, Lexx is over.  Much sadness.
        \_ Nothing to see here.  get a life.
           \_ Oh golly wow!  That stings!  Oh!  Ow!  Stop!
                \_ fight. fight. fight.
                   \_ i want my mummy!
           \_ Back to Survivor and Felicity for you, eh?
              \_ Ha!  Felicity's last episode is next week!
                 -pansy TV watcher
2002/4/27 [Politics] UID:24612 Activity:high
4/26    I like to talk english and speak good too my all friends.  How to meet
        new faces that talk english good too, also?
        \_ Start hanging out with native English speakers.  They're all around
           you.  Try saying, "hi".
        \_ Watch some News on TV (CNN, CNBC, MSNBC, etc.) to learn how the
           native speaker speaks PROPERLY (so we're not talking about Fishing
           News or anything like it), listen to people around you, read books
           or newspapers to enrich your vocabulary. Don't worry about your
           accents too much, they tend to go away with practice.
2002/4/23 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA, Politics] UID:24540 Activity:nil
4/22    /csua/bin/me updated.  Race condition removed with a thing-of-beauty
        hack.  Thanks for the idea, jon.  --scotsman
2002/4/11 [Politics] UID:24411 Activity:nil
4/10    http://www.nypost.com/news/nationalnews/40650.htm
        \_ What working model needs to be a nanny?  Gimme a break.
           \_ did you not see the qualifier "ex-" nanny?
              \_ It doesn't say when she started modelling or quit nannying.
                 \_ So you, of course, picked the most brain-dead assumption
                    out of all possible choices...
           \_ exactly how much do you think a typical model gets paid?
              \_ $200-$300 an hr and most encounters last only 15 mins.
              \_ exactly how much time do you think it takes to be a nanny
                 and how much to be a model?  you ever even met a nanny?
                 or a model?  there's no time to do both for real.
2002/4/5-6 [Politics] UID:24333 Activity:nil
4/4     http://jerusalem.indymedia.org  biased? yes, of course, but as long as
        israli solidiers are shooting at cnn and AP reporters, this remains
        a useful source of information.
        \_ I'd shoot at CNN and AP 'reporters', too.  What's wrong with that?
           Why would you present a known biased source of information as
           useful?  It's propaganda.  Sigh, I fear I've been trolled but it had
           to be said.
           \_ it's not propoganda, it's just random people's opinions
              and personal observations.  like the motd, only without tom
              around to delete everything.
              \_ It's presented as news, not opinion and that makes it
2002/3/28 [Politics] UID:24265 Activity:nil
3/28    Sigh
2002/3/12 [Politics] UID:24087 Activity:moderate
3/12    Hey, does the term "race condition" refer to a thread deadlock or some
        weird condition that happens sporadically when multiple thread interact
        just right (due to improper locking, etc.) ?
        \_ "race condition" just means that your code behaves differently
           depending on the order of execution of threads.
           \_ That's what I figured.  Thanks.
2002/3/2-3 [Politics] UID:24014 Activity:nil
03/01   http://www.dailycal.org/article.asp?id=7869
        News flash -- Daily Cal columnist sighted with at least one intact
        \_ So is the news flash the idea that a DC writer is worried that he
           wont get free mp3s anymore?  This guy needs to get together with
           the conspiracy/gun-control theorist further down and do a takedown
           of the Shadow Government.  The First Wave must be exposed!
2002/2/27 [Politics] UID:23984 Activity:nil 57%like:23986
2/26    http://www.bayarea.com/mld/bayarea/business/technology/2745994.htm
2002/2/21 [Politics/Foreign, Politics] UID:23928 Activity:insanely high
2/20    Does cremating a dead body cost a lot to the crematory?  Why did that
        crematory in Georgia bother to cheat?  Isn't it more trouble to drag
        a dead body into the woods than to use a few cents of gas to burn
        it up?
        \_ think about what kind of business oportunities exist in this
           country and then try to understand the kind of guy who runs
           a crematorium in georigia.
        \_ read the fucking news articles.
           \_ I just did.
              \_ It costs $25. Several articles mention it. --dim
                 \_ but is $25 worth the trouble?
                 \_ I see.  Thanks.
                \_ you're all sarcastic assholes.
2002/2/15 [Politics] UID:23869 Activity:insanely high
2/14    NBC's coverage of the Olympics was so much better this time
        compared to in Australia.  More focus on the sports themselves
        rather than stupid wannabe stories, a more international focus
        (They show events even when there are no US contenders), and
        much less commercials, and those there are more well-spaced.
        Great job!
        \_ I thought only CNN has a more international focus in news in
                \_ cough, you must live under a rock.  Oh wait, your
                   probably a lib.
           \_ I am talking about Olympics coverage, not news in general.
2002/2/5 [Politics] UID:23787 Activity:nil
2/5     Oh boy, Kinney's back.
        \_ Kinney's been listening to paolo too much.  At any rate, America's
           economic system is obviously not free market capitalism, it is
           'mixed' capitalism with a lot of government control.  In fact,
           many current monopolies were at one point government sponsored.
           I wonder what the current economic landscape would look like if
           it has always been a free, unregulated market.
           \_ who's paolo?
        \_ Wait... where? I miss that boy's nonsensical ravings!
2002/2/5 [Politics] UID:23786 Activity:nil
2/5     Capitalism these days really sucks- I am a firm believer in
        capitalism but.... the ideas of capitalism assumes low barriers
        to entry.  currently the barriers to enter industry have never
        been higher. I never understood why there are only 2 airplane
        producers, 8 car producers, 4 tire producers, 1 os producer, 5 hd
        producers, 2 chip producers, etc.  we live the age of monopoly
        disquised as capitalism and competition.
          the taste of competition and the capitalist market are beyond the
        senses. We need to look no further than the dot com explosion.
        Finally an industry formed where the barriers to entry were low
        and the ideals of our creators were realized. However, what
        happened, the new industry had to transform itself to fit into
        our disquised capitalist system.
          we can also observe the market for communications services. The
        availability of massive amounts of financing allowed gradiouse
        network buildouts to attempt to compete against the like of ATT,
        Sprint, WorldCom and the Regional Bell (RBOC's). However in the
        end the forces of our economy pushed us into the direction of
        continued monopoly.
          To see this more explicitly one need only to open the business
        section of the paper. Our monopolistic firms are firing countless
        numbers of employees and at the same time announcing earnings in
        the BILLIONS of $$$. ExxonMobile announced 3B in PROFIT in what
        could the be harshest business environment in history. Citigroup
        anounced 3.3B in PROFIT in parhaps the harshest banking
        environment in HISTORY. If things are so bad and if we are
        operating in a recssion how can it be that our leading
        corporations are generating billions in profits. Simple, we do
        not operate or live in a capitalist system.
          Thus any attack on capitalism is not an attack on today's
        economy. We must derive new terms and new descriptions to attack
        the travesities of todays economic order which falsly disquises
        itself as capitalism.
2001/12/28 [Politics, Politics/Domestic] UID:23392 Activity:nil 75%like:23390
1/1     Happy New Year!  Welcome to a renewed cycle of growth and prosperity!

"So what ties us together? We're tied together by our belief in
political democracy. We're tied together by our belief in religious
freedom. We're tied together by our belief in capitalism, a free
economy where people make their own choices about the spending of
their money. We're tied together because we respect human life. We're
tied together because we respect the rule of law. Those are the group
of ideas that make us Americans."
        \_ When are you going to learn to format properly? Let me guess,
           this is from George "What election law?" Bush.
2001/12/12 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq, Politics] UID:23225 Activity:very high
12/11   Express your condolences to three Special Forces heroes killed in
        action: http://www.quietpros.com
        \_ You meant those three killed by our own stupid friendly fire?
          \_ I'm what many of the morons I read here would call "liberal" but
             I still think any soldiers killed in the line of duty deserve
             the proper respect, even if the circumstances were a sick joke.
          \_ 3?  That's nothing.  Clue up.  The US Feds estimate that about
             15% of US casualties in WWII were friendly fire.  From 1 in 6
             down to 3 out of thousands is a good record.  Next time you mouth
             off try knowing what you're talking about.  You'll sound much
             less stupid and maybe what you say will be taken seriously instead
             of as the ignorant rantings of a child.
             \_ Although it is correct that casualties due to friendly fire have
                gone down drastically, these are not the relevant statistics.
                Since we have not had thousands dead in the war against
                Afghanistan, you cannot compare these two statistics.
             \_ It's not from 1 in 6 down to 3 out of thousands.  It's from 1
                in 6 in WWII up to 1 in 3 in Vietnam up to 3 in 4 in
                Afghanistan.  Duh!
          \_ While I respect our soldiers, I don't understand why they
             automatically become heroes, or why we should feel like we owe
             them our life or something.  I mean, these are professional
             soldiers, not draftees, and fighting is the sole purpose and
             goal of their job.  I mean, if they did something above and
             beyond their call of duty, then I would call them heroes.
             \_ I was of the same opinion ten years ago so I understand you
                but I think you will find a different take on this as you
                get older and see more about where our security comes from.
                   -- condescending old liberal fart
                \_ A lot of people contribute to our security.  Not just
                   soldiers.  In fact, what our enemies fear most are our
                   technology which our scientists and engineers contributed.
                   \_ Absolutely! We laud and reward the scientists and
                      engineers for their achievements. And recent events
                      have shown that we mourn their passing in violence,
                      as well.
             \_ Just for starters, 400,000 WWII, 50,000
                Korean, and 50,000 Vietnam US soldiers gave their
                lives to protect your freedom.  Have you no shame?
                \_ How did the Vietnam and Korean soldiers protect my freedom?
                \_ Like I said, most of those are draftees, so it is different.
                   Also, soldiers at that time have a much higher risk of
                   death or injury than soldiers in the Gulf War or
                   War in Afghanistan.  If we fight a high-casualty war
                   today, we will be drafting people again.
          \_ What is the definition of friendly fire anyway? I've heard
             conflicting things... like shots during practice attacts,
             cross-fire in actual fighting, etc.
        \_ in response to no particular part of this thread, be grateful
           for the sacrafices that those in the US armed forces make to
           try and make this world a little safer for all of us.
           \_ I am as grateful to them as I am to our policemen, firemen,
              doctors, teachers, scientists and engineers.  I do think that
              our armed forces personnel are underpaid though.  They deserve
              to be paid well.
2001/11/29 [Science, Politics] UID:23137 Activity:nil
11/28   We just had a power surge in our company building.  All the PCs
        rebooted while none of the Sparcs/Irixes did, even though they were
        all randomly plugged into various power outlets via surge protectors.
2001/11/27 [Politics] UID:23112 Activity:nil
11/26   Adjectivity in the news:
        Hey dans, are you a  millionaire already?
        \_ Good for them. -dans
2001/11/14-15 [Politics] UID:23039 Activity:low
11/14   What's the difference between court-martial and military tribunal?  (I
        was reading http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/20011114/ts/attacks_terrorist_trials.html
           \_ about 50 lashes with a wet noodle
        \_ Court Martial is for members of the military (yours). Military
           Tribunal is for civilians or POWs, mostly.
2001/10/16 [Politics] UID:22751 Activity:very high
10/16   Any jobless newgrad thinking of joining the army to avoid going
        homeless and hungry?
        \_ Does joining the military require US citizenship?
           \_ No, in fact it is a good way to get citizenship.
              \_ More details please.
        \_ how about the fbi?
           \_ Law degree required, isn't it?
              \_ Don't be an idiot.
                 \_ Moron.  I was partly right:
                    Next time buy clue before opening your stupid mouth.
                    \_ That URL says that you need a BA. You are an idiot,
                       and even worse, one that does not know when to give up.
                    \_ trollP
        \_ how about the NSA?
           \_ Clue and bad attitude requi-- nevermind.  They can train you
              for clue.
           \_ I thought NSA == clueless people who think they're badass
              \_ Wow. We've got you disinformed real good. -NSA dude
              \_ It is my impression that the NSA hires top math people.
                \_ yeah, and all that expensive high tech toy gave us any
                   useful intelligence against 9/11?
                   \_ Plus the anthrax attacks?
           \_ no such agency
        \_ How about the CIA?
2001/9/22 [Finance, Politics] UID:22585 Activity:low
9/21    What is the formal definition of a recession and depression?
        >dict depression
       2: a long-term economic state characterized by unemployment and
          low prices and low levels of trade and investment
        >dict recession
       n 1: the state of the economy declines; a widespread decline in
            the GDP and employment and trade lasting from six months
            to a year
        >conclusion: depression = long term, recession = short term
        \_ A recession, at one time, was just that--a shrinking economy
           (not just decreasing economic growth) which often went hand
           in hand with a panic.  Herbert Hoover coined the term "depression"
           to try and reassure people during the prolonged effects of the 1929
           crash (it's just a little depression is all, or something to that
           nature)--it was probably taken ironically, and worked its way
           into common usage.  -John
2001/9/6 [Computer/Theory, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/TJB, Politics] UID:22335 Activity:nil
9/6     Rank in descending order of intelligence:
        alexf, misha, mconst, tjb, twohey
2001/8/26-27 [Industry/Jobs, Politics, Politics/Domestic/SocialSecurity] UID:22266 Activity:high
8/26    brits out!
        \_ http://www.perkel.com/nerd/nlm.htm
           \_ These smarties should put their intellectual ability
              towards find some social skills.
              towards finding some social skills.
              \_ Or at least some basic grammar lessons.
              \_ But someone set up them the bomb because they have so much
2001/7/26 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/India, Politics] UID:21949 Activity:high
7/25    Is there a site dedicated for AM/WF?
        \_ http://clubs.yahoo.com
        \_ What's AM/WF?
           \_ Given what I got from Google, AM/WF = Asian
              male/White female. Remember kids, knowledge is
           \_ Given what I got from Google, AM/WF = Asian male/White
              female. Remember kids, knowledge is power!
                                     \_ and power corrupts!
              \_ Ahh, I see.  Then I know of two sites:
        \_ http://www.yellowfever.com
           \_ Isn't yellow fever a disease?
              \_ Depends on who you ask.
2001/7/23 [Politics] UID:21918 Activity:nil
7/23    I'm thinking about using Doonesbury as the root of a DeCal
        "Contemporary History" class. Would anyone be interested in taking it?
        \_ i would, but i'm not in school, and i'm weird and
           have been reading doonesbury for 20 years.  there
           was an article in the sunday chronicle about the minister
           who is the basis for the doonesbury minister character.
        \_ I'd take that. -dans
        \_ they ought to have used opus instead of tux as the linux mascot.
           \_ different strip
        \_ DeCal doesn't work w/ cable modem
        \_ Doonesbury hasn't been funny for at least 10-15 years.  -John
2001/7/18 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics] UID:21837 Activity:very high
7/17    Which of the current issues do you think will be UC's biggest
        reason for their downfall? 1) Creating UC Merced, 2) Abolishing
        the SAT, 3) Allowing them to consider race in admissions, or 4)
        Automatically accepting the top 4% of high school students?
        \_ Blatantly loaded question. First present a definition of "downfall"
           and hard evidence that the UC is undergoing "downfall"
        \_ 3 and 4.
        \_ True, it's loaded, and true there's no hard evidence I can give
           to prove it. But a hand-wavey explanation would be that
           the prestige of the UC system is going down, especially Cal's.
           Especially wrt Cal, they are riding on the high laurels that
           they used to have. Next, looking at Cal graduates (from ugrad
           and grad), they aren't as successfull/productive as those from
           other schools. Next, look at the intelligence (or whatever
           you wanna call it) of incoming students. Half are getting
           smarter (due to a more selective admissions process) and the
           other half are even dumber than before (due to automatic
           admissions, and most of all, our favorite: affirmative action).
           That latter half will help bring UC down even more.
           \_ gee, Cal managed to get along with affirmative action for 30
              years...was it "riding on high laurels" then?  (Whatever that
              means).  -tom
                   \_ lameness.  why don't you realize this.  Cal sucks
                      for different things.  if you like people to hire
                      for a cube farm who will work hard and never complain
                      until they get strokes from overwork, then cal's great.
                      But if you want leaders and people who will inovate
                      and come up with new ways of thinking, then look
                      elsewhere.  I'm not even sure cal grad school has it.
                \_ That's when it was making an effort providing
                   high-quality professors (i.e. people who could do
                   research AND teach; you don't find the teaching
                   component part of the criteria anymore,
                   unfortunately), recruiting high-quality students,
                   and not let the bullshit politics and political
                   correctness interfere with its mission. So, despite
                   the affirmative action, it was successfull enough
                   in the other areas.
                   \_ really, what evidence do you have that teaching
                      isn't part of recruitment criteria?  I'm sure that the
                      L&S Deans would be very surprised to hear that, seeing
                      as how they're the ones actually doing the faculty
                      searches.  Oh wait, you're just an anonymous cowardly
                      troll with no real point.  Sorry I said anything.  -tom
                      \_ a friend of mine applied for a fulltime faculty
                         position on the math department.  he was working
                         as soft-money part time faculty, and he told me
                         all the department wanted was a list of publications
                         and research qualifications, and did not even ask
                         about teaching.  perhaps the math department
                         is worse than most cal departments, though.
                      \_ Tom's right (throughout this thread), here are some
                         URLs to support him; you come up with some evidence
                         that contradicts below, THEN we'll have a argument.
                        \_ Anonymity is irrelevant here. So...how do I
                           know teaching isn't part of the recruitment
                           criteria? Tell me you aren't that oblivious.
                           Haven't you taken a course at Cal? Don't you
                           see firsthand the quality of the "teaching"?
                           So tell your L&S deans to do a better job, if
                           you wanna keep playing that card. And...no
                           need to apologize for saying anything.
           \_ Translation: "Cal was DAMN GOOD right up until I graduated.
                (Just like *me*!)  Then it all started going to hell.  Kids
                these days . . . "
                \_ Nah, it was already on the downhill while I was
                   there. But now it's gonna plummet now, due to reasons
                   1-4 from above, though. That stuff DID happen after
                   I graduated.
                   \_ Cal engineering will be fine. There are a lot of
                      poor bright people like me who prefer going to
                      public school because its cheaper which allows us
                      to graduate without being saddled with debt.
        \_ It has nothing to do with race.  When I was in L&S CS, most of
           the students were oppurtunists who cheated on tests and did
           the minimum to get by.  And most of these people were Asians.
           I'd say it has more to do with people who are unable to enjoy
           learning.  And BTW, I'm also Asian who made it out with a 3.5
           so it's not a jealously thing.
           \_ You graduated from L&S with only a 3.5? Damn you must have
              been slacking off. There is no excuse for graduating from
              L&S with under 3.8 since there is no real course work
              (except if you were math or physics, which you weren't).
              \_ I did REALLY bad freshman year.
           \_ The issue is that these people, myself included, didn't go to
              college "to learn." They go because you need it to get the big
              bucks. But really they just want to have fun and don't
              particularly give a shit about Scheme or n-channel mosfets
              or the OSI reference model. I liked learning about history.
              There's an inherent problem with my knowing history though:
              it's not particularly useful to ANYONE ELSE WHO WILL PAY ME.
              \_ I'll bet alot of history majors are making double your
2001/6/29 [Politics] UID:21673 Activity:high
6/28    So long and thanks for all the net news. RIP Jim Ellis:
        (This happened yesterday, but we weren't allowed to talk
        about it till it made the regular news)
2001/6/14 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/India, Politics] UID:21521 Activity:nil
6/14    Doh!
2001/6/6 [Computer/SW/Languages, Politics] UID:21433 Activity:nil
6/5     http://www.smh.com.au/icon/0101/20/news6.html
2001/5/23 [Science, Politics] UID:21329 Activity:nil
5/22    Why is there a power shortage you ask? Well, it seems that maybe
        the power companies are holding out on us:
        \_ Not a bad troll.
        \_ Nah, this is crap from last Friday.  Read the article.  It makes
           it clear from other state level officials that the power plant
           people were always helpful and friendly.  She's just a political
           hack.  If you're going to troll, the article shouldn't contradict
           your by-line.
           \_ Not all the power plant operators were friendly. Some of the
              out of state ones have been going off line whenever stage 1
              is reached.
2001/5/22-23 [Politics, Recreation/Computer/Games] UID:21326 Activity:high
5/22    What are some good economic/business simulation games out there.
        I am aware of Capitalism, Industry Giant, and Star Peace (the last is
        an online game like Everquest).  Anyone know of any other good ones?
        \_ solitaire with Vegas option turned on
           \_ Idiot.
               \_ where can I download this game?
        \_ does something like Transport Tycoon count?
           \_ It does, though it's more of a transportation sim.  Transport
              Tycoon Deluxe is now freely available for download, btw.  I am
              hoping for something along the lines of single player Star Peace
              (hate dealing with munchkins and paying $10 a month for the
              privilege), or Capitalism with updated graphics.
                -- original poster
2001/5/21 [Politics] UID:21308 Activity:high
5/21    http://www.ibm.com/news/2001/05/21.phtml
        \_ The future is here!
        \_ pixie dust
        \_ IBM makes disk platter material with increased density.  Ok.  You
           couldn't just say that with the URL?
2001/4/12 [Politics] UID:20953 Activity:nil
4/12    http://www.nakednews.com/-the truth, barely
2001/2/22-23 [Politics] UID:20648 Activity:kinda low
2/22    Spring cleaning!!!
        \_ i thought spring's not until march 20.
        \_ fascist bastard. - Rik
           \_ It's not fascism, it's the magic of the market.
2001/2/16-18 [Politics] UID:20611 Activity:nil
2/16   http://www0.mercurycenter.com/svtech/news/breaking/merc/docs/076761.htm
        - for the glory of the revolution.
2001/2/14-15 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA, Politics, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:20594 Activity:high
2/14    Lonely on 2/14? Call your mom. Get her something nice.
        \_ I already got yermom something nice.  Why didn't you?  You're
           a customer.
        \_ What if your mom is dead?  -welch
                \_ of the 200+ sorried users, is this one's mother dead?
                        \_ sigh.  too many newbies.
                           \_ #f. i've been around for years, this one
                                must've escaped me. i feel so left out!
2001/1/28 [Politics] UID:20459 Activity:nil
1/28    http://www.nakednews.com
        Very... odd site.
2001/1/26 [Politics/Domestic, Politics] UID:20442 Activity:nil
1/25    "Today, the challenge is different, but there's still a challenge."
        -sound bite
        \_ Only in this day and age can a quote that dumb make the news.
           \_ It's called, "slow news day".  Then one has to wonder if that's
              actually the quote and what the context was, if any.
        \_ What's wrong with that?
           \_ Boy, you must be the type of person, that when asked to write
              a simple 5 page English paper, use the 14.5 point Courier
              font with 1.33" margins on all sides and inundate your
              paper with irrelevant quotes from the book you were supposed
              to have read not thinking that the teacher will notice.
              \_ No, I'm a politically savvy conservative who knows
                 how to connect with the common people, while pleasantly
                 surprising dismissive intellectuals who learn that
                 there is intelligence behind empathy.
                 \_ I don't think anyone reading the motd counts as "the
                    common people".
                 \_ Isn't "savvy" a bit of an overstatement there?
                    You're certainly not connecting with me or
                    impressing anyone with your self-praising concept
                    if "intelligence". I don't know who the hell said
                    that challenges still exist and are different but
                    (s)he must have been a real dumbshit and the
                    journalist who quoted it must have been a moron
                    \_ Well, you do what you gotta do.
                        \_ None of this has anything to do with anything.
                           \_ But today, this none is different, but there
                              is still none of it to do with anything.
                              I have a surprisingly savvy intelligence.
2001/1/20 [Science, Politics] UID:20388 Activity:nil
1/20    Monkey to take power today.
        \_ Curious George?
2000/12/9 [Politics/Domestic/Crime, Politics] UID:20051 Activity:very high
12/8    This is a rad class:  Military Science 430B
        430A-430B. Fundamentals of Terrain Representation and Military
        Operations.  (3;3)  A. Introduces the categories and uses of
        topographical maps, the military grid  reference system, map
        symbols, overlays, intersection, resection, and terrain
        association. U.S. Army small-unit tactics will be introduced.
        Topics include  operation orders, troop leading procedures,
        preparation for combat, individual  tactical techniques, tactical
        movement, and battle drills.  B. Devoted to applying the
        navigational techniques and small-unit tactics  learned in 430A
        to more complex scenarios. Topics include patrolling,
        squad/platoon offense and defense, squad/platoon sector sketches.
        Pertinent  leadership issues will also be addressed.  (F,SP)
        \_ we should have it taken in conjunction wih the cs bootcamp.
           \_ might as well get something out of college
        \_ That's cool!  Does it include physical combat training too?  Can
           non-citizen students take the class?
        \_ dude, 3 units!  it's as hard as cs164!
           \_ you mean cs264.  164 is 4 units.  And going to be taught by
              demondim spawn necula.
2000/8/19-21 [Science, Politics] UID:19047 Activity:nil
8/19    How do i disable the front power button on an Ultra 5?
        But I still want the green power light to work.
        \_ Open it up, and pull the red wire.
2000/8/9-10 [Politics] UID:18935 Activity:nil
8/8     sigh.  You know "Dead Man's Party" by boingo is a really good
        album... it's 15 years old.. sigh.  I am getting old.
        \_ but they weren't boingo back then!
           \_ right. Mystic Knights of Oingo Boingo.  Hell tho, i remember
              the "Little Girls" video and their appearance in Back to School
                \_they haven't been "mystic Knights of Oingo Boingo since
                  before "Only A Lad" came out, at least three albums
                  prior to "dead man's party"
        \_ wait, when did they change from Oingo Boingo to just Boingo?
           \_ 1994.  They went from Oingo Boingo to the latter. They went
              back to Oingo Boingo when they had the horns back for their
              fairwell tour - paolo
        \_ You're all a buncha old sickos.
2000/7/21-22 [Politics/Domestic, Politics] UID:18748 Activity:nil
7/21    What's the story behind the whole prince of norway thing?  Is he
        still a student here, or was he ever?
        \_ He was (poli sci/international politics); graduated last year. Or
           so saith the Daily Cow:
        \_ Why?  Looking for a royal lover?
2000/4/29 [Politics, Computer/SW] UID:18147 Activity:nil
4/28    http://www.nytimes.com/library/tech/yr/mo/biztech/articles/29music.html
2000/3/31 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics] UID:17902 Activity:nil
3/30    "Whether or not AA is good is independant of the fact that Equal
        Opportunity statements are contradictory to AA.  Does anyone have
        a response to this abuse of language issue?".  First, let's take a
        specific, known institution:  UC.  See
        http://cois.chance.berkeley.edu/compliance/employ.html and
        http://www.ucop.edu/humres/policies/sp-2.html  Current UC AA is
        much different than older AA.  Older AA set quotas, less older AA
        used race/gender as a factor in addition to merit, more recent AA
        had race-limited outreach, and current AA lacks quotas, the race
        factor, and race-limited outreach, but does two things:  Promote
        an atmosphere of "equal opportunity", and maintain non-race-based
        outreach programs.  The atmosphere is created by things like:  (1)
        Appending a phrase, like "[All] Qualified applicants are
        encouraged to apply[, including women and minorities]", (2) Making
        sure the job has been publicized through women and minority
        channels in addition to the traditional ones (which may be
        accessible mainly to non-minority groups), (3) Having literature
        that says there is no discrimination (the non-discrimination
        clause in the 1st paragraph of the first URL).  The outreach
        programs used to be race-based, but because of Prop 209 should
        have been opened to all ethnic groups.  This is AA as UC currently
        implements it.  UC has no contradiction in its non-discrimination
        and AA statements.  Unfortunately I'm not sure what the nationwide
        breakdown is on AA implementation; quotas are definitely out,
        factors are discouraged to some extent, and I think race-based
        outreach is what most institutions do these days.
        shows what the federal government thinks current AA for the
        construction industry should be like; notice how similar it is to
        UC AA.
2000/2/5-7 [Computer/HW/CPU, Politics] UID:17438 Activity:moderate 73%like:17436
2/5     Why does the AMD K6-3 450 cost almost 3x as much as the
        AMD K6-3 400 mhz version?  (I mean it, both are K6-3):
        \_ 1.  Because yields are lower on the 450
           2a. Because the 400 is priced to "lose" money
           2b. Because it maximizes profit (see "Intel Pentium 3")
        \_ Who cares?  It's dead.  Dead, dead, dead.
        \_ Who cares?  It's dead.  Dead, dead, dead.  Dead, Jim, dead.
           \_ What exactly is the difference between a K6-2 and a -3?  -John
           \_ unless you don't feel like paying $600 for a CPU.
                \_ You can pay less and get more.
                \_ You some sort of throw back?  You'd have us all using
                   8088s and 6502s?  Those are cheap and slow too.
2000/1/29-30 [Politics, Academia/StanfUrd] UID:17371 Activity:nil
1/29    National Collegiate Acapella competition happening tonight at
        Wheeler Hall, 7PM.  A few Cal groups and a few Stanford groups
        will be competing.  The last time the Men's Octet competed, they
        got to the national final round at Carnegie Hall and won it all
        the way.  The Cal Jazz Choir will be hosting the event.  Please
        come if you like this sort of entertainment.  $5 students, $10
        general  --reeser
2000/1/26 [Uncategorized/Profanity, Politics, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:17335 Activity:high
1/25    Stupid national airports thread deleted as I have been seeing it since
        a year ago and it is already getting boring
        \_ fuck you Heuwey Long.
        \_ fuck you Jean McGrath.
2000/1/7-10 [Politics] UID:17187 Activity:high
1/7     I am trying to find a host in south africa, hostname sfw_pe.pe
        (perhaps sfw_pe.pe.sa?) but can't. Anyone else have this problem
        or know whats up?
        \_ Doubt this is the problem, but you should be warned that underscores
           are not legal in domain names and nothing is guaranteed to support
        \_ Racism.
        \_ .pe is Peru. South africa's TLD is .za (for Zurafrika). -alexf
                \_ RACIST!
        \_ Deleting my comments about this being racist doesn't make it
           less so.
           \_ This is too dumb even for a troll. You must be a genuine moron.
                \_ RACIST!
                   \_ RACIST!
                      \_ RACIST!
                         \_ RACIST!
                            \_ RACIST!
                \_ RACIST!
                   \_ ETHNIC STUDIES MAJOR!!!
                        \_ Yeah, so?
                           \_ DUMBFUCK!!!!!!
                   \_ Uhh... what is racist exactly?
1999/7/29-8/3 [Science, Politics] UID:16194 Activity:nil
07/23 A power failure in the north east side of campus caused soda, scotch,
      and other CSUA machines to fail today; delays in reactivating an
      unhappy power conditioner prolonged the downtime. "We apologize for
      the inconvenience" -brg
1999/6/9-10 [Science/GlobalWarming, Politics] UID:15927 Activity:nil
6/8     http://www.enn.com/enn-news-archive/1999/01/012299/congest.asp
1999/4/1 [Politics] UID:15683 Activity:nil
3/31    Haas MBA ranked #14 in US News & World Reports.  Last year it was
        number 10.  UCB Ranked #1 in National Public Schools and #22 in
        overall national.
1999/3/11 [Politics] UID:15581 Activity:high
3/11    I wish my mom dead!!!
        \_ not until I'm done with her...
           \_ Then I feel sorry for you.  I wish you kill her when you're done.
1999/2/22 [Politics] UID:15459 Activity:high
*********** my first time nuking themotd... have some respect for the dead
        \_ Yeah whatever, the skinny guy is dead from brain cancer and the fat
           drunken, whoring, drug abused is still alive.  Fuck you.  If I
           cared, I'd bring it back from the RCS archives, but I prefer the
           personal touch.  FUCK YOU AND THE SKINNY DEAD GUY!  So there.
           \_ Must you sound like such a prick?
             \_ yes. deal with it.
        \_ It's great that some of you can use this motd forum to talk
           tough and feel good about yourselves by insulting others, because
           I doubt many of you have the balls to say half this stuff to
           people in person. -peterl
           \_ actually, I think john salomon would
1999/2/22 [Health/Disease/General, Politics] UID:15458 Activity:high
2/20  Gene Siskel has died. How'd the fat guy outlive him?
        \_ So is Siskel & Eibert just going to be Eibert? Either thumbs up
           or thumbs down.
                \_ He's got two thumbs.
        \_ Jolly fat man lives long.
        \_ Lots of hard drinking, drug abuse, and whoring.  That was enough
           to keep his body unhealthy enough that even cancer wasn't willing
           to live there.
           \_ was he seeing whores, or was he whoring out his body?
           \_ don't you have any respect for the dead?
                \_ Dumbshit, the fat guy isn't dead.  The fat guy is the guy
                   out whoring and drinking and drugging it up.
                   out whoring and drinking and drugging it up.  I have
                   respect for the dead but none for morons.
1998/12/4-6 [Politics] UID:15068 Activity:high
12/4    How come the U.S. military web sites tell you how the U.S. military
        is organized, what weapons they have, and what capabilities they have?
        You can even find the info easily through Yahoo.
        \_ One word...disinformation
        \_ trying to hide such info would be futile.
        \_ It might be an effort to intimidate others, much as it has been
           conjectured that the US dropped its atomic bombs on Hiroshima and
           Nagasaki to intimidate the USSR.  Perhaps their reason for having
           so much military technology is to show it off rather than to
           conceal it.
           \_ so in reality these weapons don't exist in the US arsenal?
                \_ The above person did not say that.  Back to reading
                   comprehension class for you.
                   \_ sorry, apparently you didn't see the sarcasm.
                      \_ stupidity != sarcasm.
                         \_ I'm not sure who's stupider, the original "dont
                            exist" poster, or the commentator. I'm just
                            glad *I* don't have to worry about men in green
                            coming and busting down my door to shut me up.
                            \_ Well, let's think about this?  Who is more
                               stupid?  A) the person who can't comprehend
                               written English, B) the person who noted this
                               fact, or C) the person who think they're so
                               clever they can invent their own words such as
                               "stupider"?  Only *you* can prevent forest
                               fires!  -Smokey
                               \_ I say it was the idiot who was stupid
                                  enough to realize that my original post
                                  was just a joke.
        \_ You have to remember that most of the weapons in the US arsenal
           are for sale.  and that the web is all about ADVERTISING ADVERTISING
           ADVERTISING. -ERic
1998/12/4 [Politics, Politics/Domestic/Immigration] UID:15066 Activity:very high
12/3    How come Palestinians always want more land?
        \_  This is obviously a troll, but for the benifit of the history
        illiterate, I suggest you ask instead:
        How come the Iseralis always want more land?  After all, they were
        originally from Mesopotamia (Iraq).  Then they decided to grab
        the land from the Cannites and Philistines, whom they completely
        eradicated during war and conquest.  But they were in turn expelled by
        the Romans.  1000 years later,  they grabbed the land again from
           pardons.  What do you think of that?  (Think Amy Biehl)
        Palestanians who had been living there all those time, first through
        mass immigration and then with also outright military occupation and
        confiscation.  The Palestinians are of course losers.  If they failed
        to fend off the land robbers, they should just resign to their fate
        and become gypsies.  Victor be the strong and ruthless.  Terror
        prevails unless countered by greater terror.
|        \_ because they want to live free without foreigh rule
|           the real question, is why are they so intent (along with
|           Iraq, Lybia, Syria) on killing Jews?
|        \_ no a. but another q.:
|           Say that Israel/Palestinian-state commissions something similar
|           to S. Africa's Truth & Reconciliation Committee.  Now, say that
|           the TRC issues pardons in the same context that the SATRC issued
|           pardons.  What do you think of that?  (Think Amy Biehl, and of her
|           parents)

Amy Biehl was a Stanford graduate who left for S. Africa on a Fulbright
scholarship to help with voter registration in the nation's first all-race
1994 election marking the end of apartheid.  In the wrong place at the wrong
time, she was in the black township of Guguletu when an angry mob returning
from a political rally stoned her car, dragged her out, beat her, and killed
her.  At least one of her black compatriots attempted to defend her, telling
them that she was a friend.  Four people were convicted and sentenced to
18 years.  In July of this year, these four men were released from prison,
granted amnesty by the Truth and Reconciliation Commission (as required by the
amnesty provision, they had fully confessed to the attack, including
the individual who committed the fatal stab wound).  Peter and Linda Biehl
of Newport Beach, CA, released a public statement supporting the commission's
decision, and have since regularly travelled to S. Africa to confirm to
passersby that they have truly forgiven their daughter's killers, and towards
fostering understanding between those who would be blood enemies.  Whether
each part of this story is right or wrong I don't say -- that you know that
each part happened and think about it is what's important.  When this
disappears, ~jctwu/pub/biehl.
1998/10/5 [Science, Politics] UID:14733 Activity:nil
10/4    By the power of Grayskull!!!
        \_at least put some real humor here little boyz
1998/9/14 [Politics] UID:14594 Activity:nil
9/13   http://www.theonion.com/onion3406/burningman.html
1998/7/25-26 [Computer/HW/IO, Politics] UID:14384 Activity:kinda low
7/26    http://cnnfn.com/hotstories/companies/9807/22/microsoft_pkg/gates3.mov
        \_ is that an Ultra 30 they leave on the curb?
                \_ I guess they couldn't figure out how to use it
           \_ too many buttons on the mouse for them.
        \_ Looks more like an Ultra2 to me?
1998/6/27 [Politics] UID:14262 Activity:nil
6/26    Twink point=dictatorship, HAPPY POINT=95% democracy 5% fascism:
        \_ meanies now some voting power
          \_ exactly what do you think I'm "dictating" with my twink points?
             I'm just counting.  -tom
                \_ more like a monarch of arbitrary score keeper
                   \_ tom also has a cute butt
1998/5/20-26 [Politics] UID:14109 Activity:nil
05/19   Campus Power fails, comes back up, fails again, news at 11
1998/5/19 [Politics] UID:14104 Activity:nil
1998/4/16 [Recreation/Dating, Science, Politics] UID:13972 Activity:high
4/16    Power Nipples.
        \_ freaky-huge!
        \_ Help! I am pussy whipped by my gf with power nipples, what can
           I do?
1998/4/15 [Computer/SW/Apps/Media, Politics] UID:13962 Activity:nil
4/14    I heard this on the song on the radio: "James Brown is dead". Is he
        really dead? If not, what is he doing lately?
        \_ No James Brown is not dead. In fact, he got of prision not too
        long ago. I will tell you, however, and with no doubt whatsoever,
        that James Brown is quite queer. Last I heard he performed at the
        \_ huh?
        second to the last superbowl.
        \_ This is a song by L.A.Style i believe. It has nothing to do with
1998/3/12 [Politics] UID:13796 Activity:nil
03/12   I like Monkeys

        The pet store was selling them for five cents a pieace.  I thought
        this was odd since they were normally a couple thousand.  I decided
        not to look a gift horse in the mouth so I bought 200 of them.
        I like monkeys.

        I took my 200 monkeys home.  I have a big car.  I let one of drive.
        His name was Sigmund.  He was retarded.  In fact, none of them were
        really bright.  They kept punching themselves in the genitals.  I
        laughed. They punched me in the genitals.  I stopped laughing.

        I herded them into my room.  They didn't adapt very well to their new
        environment.  They would screech and hurl themselves off the couch at
        high speeds and slam into the wall.  Although humorous at first, the
        spectacle lost its novelty halfway into it's third hour.

        Two hours later I found out why all the monkeys were so inexpensive;
        they all died.  No apparent reason.  They all just sort of dropped
        dead. Kinda like when you buy a goldfish and it dies five hours later.
        God damn cheap monkeys.

        I didn't know what to do.  There were 200 dead monkeys lying all over
        my room; on the bed, in the dresser, hanging from my bookcase.  It
        looked like I had 200 throw rugs.  I tried to flush one down the
        toilet.  It didn't work.  It got stuck.  Then I had one dead, wet
        monkey and one hundred ninety-nine dead, dry monkeys.

        I tried to pretend that they were just stuffed animals.  That worked
        for awhile, that is until they began to decompose.  It started to
        smell real bad.

        I had to pee but there was a dead monkey in my toilet and I didn't
        want to call a plumber.   I was embarrassed.

        I tried to slow down the decomposition by freezing them.  Unfortuantely
        there was only enough room for two at a time, so I had to change them
        every 30 seconds.  I also had to eat all the food in the freezer so it
        didn't go bad.

        I tried to burn them, but little did I know that my bed was flammable.
        I had to extinguish the fire.

        Then I had one dead, wet monkey in my toilet, two dead, frozen monkeys
        in my freezer, and one hundred ninety-seven dead, charred monkeys in
        a pile on my bed,  The odor wasn't improving.

        I became agitated at my inability to dispose of the dead monkeys and I
        really had to use the bathroom.  So I went and severely beat one of the
        monkeys.  I felt better.

        I tried throwing them away but the garbage man said the city was not
        allowed to dispose of charred primates.  I told him I had a wet one.
        He couldn't take it either.  I didn't bother asking about the frozen

        I finally arrived at a solution.  I gave them out as Christmas gifts.
        My friends didn't quite know what to say.  They pretended to like them,
        but I could tell they were lying.  Ingrates.  So I punched them in the

        I like monkeys.
1998/1/29 [Computer/SW/Editors/Emacs, Politics] UID:13588 Activity:nil
1/28    I don't believe it.. there really IS a "GNUscape". The bad news
        is, it runs under emacs. ugh.
1997/5/15 [Computer/SW/Mail, Computer/HW, Politics] UID:32144 Activity:nil
5/14    Is there another news server than agate that we can use?
        \_ Can't find porn either, eh?
        \_ No dumbo, agate's been down a lot lately.
           \_ There is no other news server on campus.  You can look at
              http://www.dejanews.com or various others.
        \_ Is there a program that can keep retrying rn until agate is
         up again, sort of like a auto redial for rn?
         \_ while
1997/4/25 [Politics] UID:32131 Activity:nil
4/25    I need a way for a child thread to know that a parent
        has died. SIGCLD does the opposite, and I can't find the
        signal that does what I want. I ultimately would like my
        thread to die when my terminal is dead (ttyXX is unwrittable).
        \_ Use the uncle thread to inform the child thread.  Break the
           news gently, though.
1994/12/15 [Science, Politics] UID:31675 Activity:nil
12/14   Someone just stole a back pack from an office in Soda and tried to
        steal a power book from another office, but unfortunately got away.
        Please be alert to any strangers in the building.

        The thief actually walked into an office where someone was working
        and picked up the power book.  It was retrieved but the person got
        away.  If you see anyone who looks suspicious, don't give chase but
                                                       \_ shoot them, then
        call the campus police immediately at 2-6760. - cogan
1994/2/22 [Politics] UID:31491 Activity:nil
2/21    Any news on /usr3?
             \_ (But I'm "happy" now.. my acount is back! (yay!))
        \_ /usr3 is back.  Thank you!  Double yeah!
 \_ TWINKS: /dev/zd3a             762464  686218       0    100%   /usr3
1993/4/10 [Science, Politics] UID:31265 Activity:nil
4/9     Massive campus power failure from 7:15 to about 11:30 hoses lots
        of things. Soda didn't come up properly; one disk didn't power up
        and scrambled all the mount entries for the rest of the partitions.
        This made entire users directories appear gone. This has been rectified.
        Everything seems to have survived this ordeal relatively intact... -ERic
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