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| 2013/4/17-5/18 [Industry/Jobs] UID:54658 Activity:nil |
4/17 Questions about recruiting below. Thanks.
1. Why are different positions called full-time, contracting, and
intern, with "full-time" meaning regular permanent positions?
Contracting and intern positions are usually 40 hours/week which would
imply they are full-time (i.e. not part-time) also.
2. What's the difference between temp, contracting, and consulting
positions?
3. What's the difference between intern and co-op?
\_ by UCB's definition: intern is usually 3 months during summer.
UCB's co-op program is 6 months. I know some schools define
co-op as intern, and some schools just call them by names
like MIT's 6A program (internship for computer science).
\_ It's about job longevity and tax treatment. Interns are hired
on a short term basis, for training or to prove their worth to be
made full time. Temps are employed by a temp agency, who sends the
employee a W-2 (usually). The employer pays the temp agency a higher
hourly rate to bring them on temporarily. Contractors and consultants
are generally self employed, who get a 1099 from the employer and
must pay their own taxes, health care, and employer half of Social
Security. Consultants may also be like temps as described above,
but professionals with experience who command, say, 1.5 - 2 X what
a full-time employee would make to get their expertise quickly
without the overhead of putting on payroll. |
| 11/27 |
| 2013/3/13-4/16 [Industry/Jobs] UID:54624 Activity:nil |
3/13 Worker's paradise: "a workplace free of VCs, MBAs, sales, marketing,
biz dev, endless meetings;"
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/about/craigslist_is_hiring
\_ I love management and PMs, the more the better.
\_ In my company the ratio of product managers to developers is
about 1 to 5. I heard that at Microsoft it's about 1 to 1.
\_ what company do you work at, and why are PMs so
often despised? |
| 2013/2/6-3/19 [Industry/Jobs] UID:54599 Activity:nil |
2/6 http://preview.tinyurl.com/b5878hj "Job Satisfaction Soars Among IT Workers, Outpacing All Other Industries" Sure glad I spent all that time in soda instead of the classroom. \_ In case you haven't noticed, nerds are the new sexy jocks! \_ http://www.mercurynews.com/business/ci_22524360/silicon-valley-job-growth-prodigious-returned-dot-com-boom-levels Oh no, the Latinos and blacks aren't in on the boom! |
| 2012/12/8-30 [Industry/Jobs] UID:54551 Activity:nil |
12/8 http://s3.amazonaws.com/engine-advocacy/TechReport_LoRes.pdf According to this report, 28.8% of the jobs in the Sunnyvale-San Jose-Santa Clara area are considered IT. Is this bullshit or what? What about all the restaurants, cleaning, retail, and a shitload of other non-IT jobs in the area? Just walk around Santa Clara, a bunch of people there are NOT in the IT business. I call this report bullshit. \_ This must be the first time anybody ever made up bullshit in a report before. \_ 1. It says 28.8% in High-Tech, not IT. \_ This must be the first time anybody ever made up bullshit *about* a report before. 1. The report says 28.8% in High-Tech, not IT. 2. Read "Appendix 1: Defining High-Tech". --- !OP \_ still bullshit \_ I am pretty sure their methodology means that everyone who works for Google, Apple and Intel count as High- Tech workers. So probably not bullshit. \_ right, there are tons of non-tech workers (contractors) at these companies. There are tons of amigos in the San Jose area that are NOT exactly coding, they shouldn't be counted as tech workers. \_ It depends what you're trying to measure. If your question is "how much impact do tech companies have on the economy", then Google janitors totally count (and McDonald's sysadmins don't). \_ Agreed. That's exactly what this report intends to assess -- all workers in high-tech industries, not high-tech workers in all industries. --- !OP \_ my last response to you: this report is really written with Silicon Valley bias that makes Silicon Valley look favorable so that people who don't know any better think it is 29% tech workers with avg pay of 170K, which I will say for the last time-- BULLSHIT. -not anywhere near 170K and the majority of my non-coworkers are NOT high tech \_ Are you a coder or sysadmin? Are you working in Silicon Valley? Do you have at least 7 years of experience? If you can say yes to all three, you should be making pretty close to $170k. How much do you make? Then again you seem to believe that 29% is a majority, so you are probably paid what you are worth. \_ URL of a trustworthy salary survey site showing avg $170k/yr for coder or sysadm with 7yrs of experience please? \_ http://tinyurl.com/ckoqaep "San Jose had far and away the richest annual average wage, at $144,828..." Let me follow up and say that I think that it is really more like $150k, not $170k and that is total compensation, not just salary. Let me follow up and say that I think tha it is really more like $150k, not $170k and that is total compensation, not just salary. \_ Would that average have been skewed by the hugh compensations for the C-level execs in the Bay Area? \_ No, I don't think so. Managers are in a different BLS category. I am pretty sure the primary source is the BLS. \_ No, I don't think so. Managers are in a different BLS category. I am pretty sure the primary source is the BLS. \_ Stop whining just because you failed Reading Comprehension. |
| 2012/6/2-7/20 [Industry/Jobs] UID:54408 Activity:nil |
6/2 What are some words that engineers use to describe
non-technical people?
\_ Layman.
\_ Managers.
\_ MySpace executives
\_ People from LA:
http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=2448341831
\_ Republicans
\_ Clueless |
| 2012/4/4-6/1 [Industry/Jobs] UID:54355 Activity:nil |
4/3 Counter offer: don't do it!!!
http://news.yahoo.com/why-shouldnt-counteroffer-133221049.html |
| 2011/12/29-2012/2/6 [Industry/Jobs] UID:54276 Activity:nil |
12/29 Looking for an IT job? Stephen Hawking is hiring.
http://www.hawking.org.uk/index.php/component/content/article/96 |
| 2011/12/15-2012/2/6 [Reference/RealEstate, Industry/Jobs] UID:54260 Activity:nil |
12/15 Does anyone have experience investing in apartment buildings
I'm not really looking to invest, but I want an apartment
to live in, and I'm not happy with the leases I'm encountering
for instance one requires 2 years of tax returns with the
application. I'm in a position to buy a building, but I've
got no experience with this, and I don't want to learn that
it was a bad by losing a lot of money. --jwm.
\_ I bought a two unit building and live in the top. It has
worked out pretty well for me. Email me if you want more
info. -ausman
\_ jsl and I run a small 4-unit, and have for a while. Property
management can be a lot of work. You could hire property
managers to do it for you but it cuts into income. -mehlhaff |
| 2011/11/20-12/6 [Recreation/Dating, Industry/Jobs] UID:54236 Activity:nil |
11/20 http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=2436 Very true. Compared to the high school jocks who used to be popular, my salary gets better and better and my wife is younger/prettier. -nerd \_ Same for me on the salary front, but as a nerd how did you manage to get a younger/prettier wife than the jocks? -- nerd #2 \_ You have to wait until you get rich to get married. -nerd #3 \_ Oh! I didn't wait. Sh*t! -- nerd #2 \_ You could always get an upgrade. Might not be so easy if you have kids. -nerd #3 |
| 2011/10/3-12/6 [Industry/Jobs] UID:54186 Activity:nil |
10/3 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect Does The PSB still read the motd? This reminds me of the racheting effect you talk about (for the skilled here). -ausman \_ 80% of participants had evaluated themselves as being above the average driver \_ this effect is common in mega corporations \- ausman: i dont really check in here any more ... at some point the repeated self-inflected wounds dropped the wall-mass below some critical threshold for me. but on your topic, did you see this long EMORRIS article from the NYT a while back: http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/06/20/the-anosognosics-dilemma-1 \_ Yeah, I am not talking about the inability to see ones own shortcomings, rather the other side of the coin, the inability to recognize ones own unusual competence. shortcomings, rather the other side of the coin, the tendency to discount ones own unusual competence, eg things are either "hard" (if you don't understand) or "trivial" (once you do). |
| 2011/6/2-7/30 [Industry/Jobs] UID:54124 Activity:nil |
6/2 Dear sysadm, what is your experience with packaging systems
(chef, puppet, etc)? What are you recommendations?
\_ Those are system management systems. packaging systems would be
things like rpm and pkg. |
| 2011/5/20-7/13 [Industry/Jobs] UID:54116 Activity:nil |
5/20 "Lifeguards' high pay riles Calif. beach city"
http://www.csua.org/u/tds (news.yahoo.com)
$200K/yr for sitting above the beach and staring at chicks most of the
time? They aren't risking their lives as much as cops and firefighters
do, and the don't serve a deterring purpose like cops do.
\_ First, it's $100k in pay _and_ benefits, some of which may include
a hefty life insurance policy and a superb health insurance policy.
Next, it's $200k in two instances. Finally, I'm with you, sounds
a bit high; what's the base salary, and why are they getting OT?
I think this piece lacks substance sufficient for outrage.
\_ it's a sinecure for the beautiful people. We are paying them to
be a role model for kids
\_ The actual life guards are mostly paid by the hour, these are
sort of the life guard managers. But it still seems like a lot
of money to me. |
| 2011/4/29-7/30 [Industry/Jobs] UID:54100 Activity:nil |
4/29 I just quit my $150k/yr a job, wish me luck! -PAM
\_ plans?
\_ Probably going to go live a nice chill life.
\_ 150k/year in the Bay Area isn't very little.
\_ yawn bay area yawn, Horatio.
\_ Get another job at some point, hopefully one less hellish.
\_ Update: got two offers on the table one from Google another
different job from the same employer, both for about the
same salary. Going to say no to Google (I can't believe I
am doing this btw, but the current job sounds like a lot
less work). The job market in Silicon Valley is really quite hot.
\_ Yer mom was hot the other night. Least that's what the guy
in line ahead of me said.
\_ zomg!Q i can't believe it either! |
| 2011/4/13-7/13 [Computer/SW/Languages/Java, Computer/Rants, Industry/Jobs] UID:54082 Activity:nil |
4/13 "Best-Paying College Major: Engineering"
http://www.csua.org/u/t07 (finance.yahoo.com)
Avg. starting salary for Computer Science grads: $63017
Avg. starting salary for Computer Engineering grads: $60112
Why is there a difference?
\_ It's Y!. WTF do you think they're gonna say?
Christ it's like asking Fox News for Fair and Balanced repts.
\_ where's the "Avg # hours worked every week" part of that survey?
65k/80hrs/week isn't so "Best Paying"
\_ ssssh. Don't tell the interns that. Gotta keep up the worker
supply! |
| 2011/2/21-4/20 [Industry/Jobs] UID:54045 Activity:nil |
2/21 Public sector works are paid less than private sector workers with
similar levels of education and experience:
http://abcnews.go.com/Business/wage-war-state-employees-everbody/story?id=12964194
Warning, contains video with sound.
\_ Which is irrelevant. Public sector workers are paid by private
sector workers. Given the # of public workers, it's unsustainable.
\_ Nah, if anything Americans are undertaxed compared to other
advanced economies.
\_ I <3 how the sodans I know who are in public sector have had stable
jobs for what going on _two_decades_ while the priv sector ones have
had rollercoasters of job hopping and ulcers.
\_ ah yes I can see how all these depressed employees at Googleplex
hate their careers, benefits and 20% hobbies. They should go to
the big government so that they can feel happy doing outdated
"jobs" from 9-5 and talk down on private sectors.
\_ I didn't know we were talking about grad school.
\_ Do you include the ones who are multi-millionaires and retired?
\_ Nope, since the multi millionaires/retired at 30 people i know
are all super depressed and spend their time hopped up on
psych meds, oh and yeah they were all priv sector. I'm
including tho all the people i know with well balanced lives
with good familial relationships, and chill lifestyles.
\_ but i WAAAAAAANT to carry my blackberry into the toilet
on vacation!!! i NEEEEEEED it!!!! |
| 2010/9/13-30 [Industry/Jobs] UID:53955 Activity:low |
9/13 Tech industry is back! I've never gotten so many recruiter calls
since the dot-com. Good times man.
http://www.mercurynews.com/real-estate-news/ci_15744365
\_ lies, damned lies, statistics, willie brown speaking, and motd
"personal anecdotes"
\_ "Silicon Valley tech stocks plunge along with the Nasdaq and Dow."
\_ What the heck is in Akron, Ohio?!
\_ I am being recruited by Facebook, Google and LinkedIn. It is like
\_ No really, what the hell is in Akron, OH?
\_ I am being recruited by Facebook, Google, LinkedIn. It is like
1999 all over again.
\_ Raytheon, Boeing, and Lockheed called me the other day, they
also liked that I spoke mandarin. Wooo!
\_ My little brother is a VMWare administrator. He just got an offer
for $150K/year at a Fortune 500, which seems pretty good for what
he does. Just two years ago he was making half that at Microsoft.
\_ Crap, I am only making $200k/yr and I have 15 year experience.
I am going to go ask for a raise.
\_ Is that all? My little sister is making $350K/yr in
industry and my son is starting a job at $500K/yr plus
bonuses.
\_ Im at 1.2 mil, 7 figure club, baybee!!
\_ my total compensation at HP was $34mil. I slept with
a hottie, left HP and now making even more $$$ working
with my buddy Larry! -Mark Hurd
\_ I really do make $200k/yr, including stock. It is not
that terribly uncommon.
\_ You made $200k in one year? Or you made $200k every
year?
\_ One year in the dotcom era, I made $350k but that
was by selling a bunch of pre-ipo options on
overinflated stock. I make $200k every year now
and only about $15k of that is in stock. I just
offered $150k/yr to a SA-type guy with 12 years of
experience and only an AA but he declined and
experience and only an AA degree but he declined and
decided to take an offer with Netflix making
$170k/yr. You should get a glassdoor account if
don't already have one.
don't already have one. Know any solid Unix
Sysadmin types who want to work in a big Silicon
Valley tech firm (not Google)?
\_ I really do make $500k/yr including also the occational
perk like an intern blowjob and an all expense paid
vacation.
\_ Are you an executive?
\_ Larry Parker got me 2.1 Million.
\_ Buy now or be priced out forever.
\_ Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me. |
| 2010/8/30-9/30 [Transportation/Car, Industry/Jobs] UID:53943 Activity:nil |
8/30 Engine Yard hiring in greater-Chicago area:
http://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/tch/1927473851.html |
| 2010/8/23-9/7 [Industry/Jobs] UID:53935 Activity:high |
8/23 Job opportunity at the US District Court, Northern District of CA:
Courtroom Technology Specialist
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/tch/1914895472.html
--erikred
\_ $54k/yr! Damn those overpaid civil servants!
\_ it's really about 70k-80k yr if you factor in things like
planned vacations, ease of work, no doctors bills for ulcers,
9-6 work day, 5 day work week.
\_ Plus no layoff.
\_ you're kidding, right?
\_ Layoffs in public sector have been much lower than private.
In private you get fired, not furloughed.
\_ Layoffs in public sector have been much lower than
private. In private you get fired, not furloughed.
\_ really? what if you're an unionized pilot/stew/maint
\_ What if you're not? I agree with the guy above.
Lots of people should be terminated and should
be glad they were furloughed instead.
\_ Bullshit
\_ Want to post some facts to back that up?
\_ you're the one who made the claim.
\_ http://blogs.sacbee.com/the_state_worker/100817%20Job%20loss%20chart.JPG
http://www.ebudget.ca.gov/pdf/BudgetSummary/BS_SCH6.pdf
Also, being laid off from the State
requires 120 days notice and layoffs
are determined by seniority and not value.
\_ Salary looks about right for the requirements. I know someone
\_ So the State, which employs 300k out of
20M, has had 40k layoffs, this is 13%. The
public sector has had 1.2M out of 20M,
this is about 6%. Thanks for the data.
\_ You are misreading the data.
The 40K layoffs is for State
and local workers both. There
are about 1.8M government
workers when you add in the State
workers in the second chart.
(Source: http://www2.census.gov/govs/apes/09locca.txt
The second chart shows that there are
30K more State workers than in 2006
and only 10K less than the maximum.
Do your math again and get back
to me.
\_ Looks like 4% and 6% then, still not
"much lower."
\_ I think you will want to
recheck your math. 40K/1.8M
is not 4%.
\_ Salary looks about righe for the requirements. I know someone
with a very similar job who makes about $50K. Difference
being she's not a civil servant with all of the benefits
attached.
\_ So of course, the free market is the best way to set
compensation. Because of the magic of the invisible hand,
the most competent people are necessarily in the
highest-paying jobs. Unless they're civil servants, in
which case they're obviously incompetent, overcompensated
pariahs sucking taxpayers dry. Right. -tom
\_ Says Tom, who will rake in $100K/year (in today's
dollars) with free health care for the rest of his life at
around age 60. So you think this Bell city manager deserved
to make $800K/year and retire on $600K/year? He was
overcompensated and did suck the taxpayers dry. I am
dollars) with free health care for the rest of his life
at around age 60. So you think this Bell city manager
deserved to make $800K/year and retire on $600K/year? He
was overcompensated and did suck the taxpayers dry. I am
not sure if he was incompetent, but I do know that if
the position was advertised at that salary he probably
wouldn't have gotten the job despite his UCB undergrad
degree. You can make the same argument for the CEO of any
large company (incompetent and overpaid) _except_ it is not
at the taxpayer expense.
degree. You can make the same argument for the CEO of
any large company (incompetent and overpaid) _except_ it
is not at the taxpayer expense.
Check out the salaries for employees of the City of LA:
http://controller.lacity.org/ssLINK/LACITYP_011307
A "Senior clerk typist" makes $56K, a "Refuse
collector truck operator" makes $64K, a "Maintenance
Laborer" makes $49K, a "Motor Sweeper Operator" makes
$70K. These people do not pay for Social Security or health
http://controller.lacity.org/ssLINK/LACITYP_011307 A
"Senior clerk typist" makes $56K, a "Refuse collector
truck operator" makes $64K, a "Maintenance Laborer"
makes $49K, a "Motor Sweeper Operator" makes $70K. These
people do not pay for Social Security or health
insurance out of these salaries and many of them take
home more money than listed because of perks like
overtime. Now, granted, some positions are underpaid -
like many of the accountants. However, the average pay for
a secretary (senior clerk typist) in LA is only $48K and I
am guessing that her job is more stressful, less secure,
and receives fewer benefits. To wit:
like many of the accountants. However, the average pay
for a secretary (senior clerk typist) in LA is only $48K
and I am guessing that her job is more stressful, less
secure, and receives fewer benefits. To wit:
Disney's job posting for a secretary asks for:
"Ability and willingness to work long hours as needed."
"Ability to be proactive, resourceful, flexible and to
manage a heavy workload."
"Ability to maintain professionalism under pressure."
Pay: $40-60K with an average of $52K
Warner Bros wants:
"Detail oriented with the ability to work well and
maintain professionalism under pressure."
"Must be able to work at a face pace with accuracy."
"Must be able to work under constant deadlines."
Pay: Not listed, but probably about the same
Somehow I am seeing a trend here. Being that my girlfriend
works in entertainment, she will attest that they will
work you to death if possible. A government secretary
(which my sister was for years before going to get her RN)
does whatever work she can and goes home at 5pm.
Sometimes there wasn't enough to do (because she was so
efficient and because they are overstaffed) that her boss
sent her home early. It's one reason she started going
to nursing school while still working full-time: she was
able to get her work done even though she worked only
three days per week. So I wouldn't say that all
government employees are incompetent, but they certainly
set the staffing levels as if they are and yet I've asked
LA (in writing) to fix a mistake on my property tax bill
for 3 years in a row now and when I call I am told:
"Can you call back later? I'm busy right now." WTF?
Take down my number and call me back when you have time.
So, yeah, getting the job done isn't a priority for
some people.
Tom will ask: So why doesn't everyone get a government job
if they are so great? Well, because there is very
Somehow I am seeing a trend here. Being that my
girlfriend works in entertainment, she will attest that
they will work you to death if possible. A government
secretary (which my sister was for years before going to
get her RN) does whatever work she can and goes home at
5pm. Sometimes there wasn't enough to do (because she
was so efficient and because they are overstaffed) that
her boss sent her home early. It's one reason she
started going to nursing school while still working
full-time: she was able to get her work done even though
she worked only three days per week. So I wouldn't say
that all government employees are incompetent, but they
certainly set the staffing levels as if they are and yet
I've asked LA (in writing) to fix a mistake on my
property tax bill for 3 years in a row now and when I
call I am told: "Can you call back later? I'm busy right
now." WTF? Take down my number and call me back when
you have time. So, yeah, getting the job done isn't a
priority for some people.
Tom will ask: So why doesn't everyone get a government
job if they are so great? Well, because there is very
little turnover and once people land a job they stay
there for decades. I also believe that most people don't
really realize what kind of salaries can be made
working for the government. They think it's like it
used to be where everyone pulls down $45K. I can tell
you my sister and I were both shocked when she asked to
get into my company when we had an opening for a senior
secretary and the salary advertised was a _LOT_ less than
she made for the government (like more than 20% less). I
was like "You make _HOW MUCH_?" and she was like "They pay
_THAT LITTLE_? I'll stay put."
really realize what kind of salaries can be made working
for the government. They think it's like it used to be
where everyone pulls down $45K. I can tell you my sister
and I were both shocked when she asked to get into my
company when we had an opening for a senior secretary
and the salary advertised was a _LOT_ less than she made
for the government (like more than 20% less). I was like
"You make _HOW MUCH_?" and she was like "They pay _THAT
LITTLE_? I'll stay put. In other 10 years I'll have free
health care for life." She's 4 years away now (she can
retire at 50) and then she'll collect her "retirement"
while she goes to work full-time as an RN. By then
she'll be making probably $200K/year between the two
salaries and getting free health care on the taxpayer's
dime, too. Then she can retire on her $5K/month
government retirement plus she'll have paid into Social
Security and collect that, too. Sweet! Am I jealous?
Hell yes! Do not anger me, I am dim! Would I have done
that had I known people could take advantage of the
system by double dipping? Maybe so! I think the system
is broken when a person can be a secretary for 25 years
at average salary (or above), switch careers to the
private sector, and then collect two retirements from
the government plus free health care on top of whatever
they manage to save.
\_ 1/10 for content, 0/10 for length.
\_ Working at the UC and taking N contracting jobs is
very standard.
\_ I am a Director at a Silicon Valley company and I make
about 2X what someone in a comparable job makes at the
UC. My wife had a similar experience with HUD and Citi.
As I said before, low skill jobs are higher paying in
the public sector and high skill and management jobs
pay better in the private sector. It is pretty obvious
why this is, if you would pull your head out of your ass.
It would pretty embarassing if a school janitor had to
draw food stamps to make ends meet. Secretaries do not
retire at 25 years, you are full of crap.
\_ You are correct that high-level management jobs pay
more in the private sector. I think a military
general is an example of an underpaid government job.
President Obama is another. However, most government
employees would not be high-level managers in
the private sector. Most government employees are
paper pushers who are overpaid. The fact that
there are a few underpaid positions doesn't change
that fact. Anyone can retire as long as they are
age 50 and have 10 years of service although
there are ways to retire earlier and some plans
make you wait until age 60. Why should a janitor
with the government make more than a janitor in the
private sector?
\_ It is not true that anyone can retire from
Federal service at age 50 with 10 years of
service, where did you get this idea? I checked
what my wife would make if she worked for HUD
for 25 years and got promoted to the top of her
pay and one grade up (GS-14). It would have been
$32k/yr at age 62, which was 25% of what her salary
would be at the time. So 25% of your base salary is
overpaid? Janitors in the private sector are
underpaid but since we use the free market to
set labor values there, that is just the way it
is. Everyone working for the government should
be paid a living wage, imho.
\_ I am not quoting federal retirement. I am
not sure what that is. I am talking about
State and local government.
"The state's current pension system allows
firefighters, Highway Patrol officers, and
peace officers to retire as young as 50
years old and earn 3% of their final
salaries for every year worked. Other
state safety employees may retire at age
55 with a 2.5% multiplier and
miscellaneous employees may retire at age
55 with a 2% multiplier or at age 63 with
a 2.5% multiplier."
(Source: http://tinyurl.com/2db96kp
You can also "buy" years. Other tricks
here: http://tinyurl.com/2ahy8vh
Reform is required. I don't get 401k
matches based on my highest 3 earning years.
Pensions should not be calculated in that
manner either.
Janitors in the private sector are not
"underpaid." They are paid market wages.
Public sector janitors are overpaid. The
government should not pay more than the
private sector. Otherwise, my tax dollars
are wasted. Contract it out. This isn't a
welfare state.
\_ Janitor salaries in the private sector are
artifically depressed by use of
undocumented workers. You can't do that
in the public sector.
\_ Contract it out.
\_ It's no more appropriate for
public entities to be using
undocumented workers through a
contractor than it is for them
to be paying them directly.
\_ I didn't say to use undocumented
workers. I said contract it
out and pay market rate
instead of the inflated
salaries we pay now.
\_ As I said, "market rate" is
artificially depressed by the
use of undocumented workers.
\_ Let's assume this is true.
Surely you are not implying
that all janitors are
undocumented.
\_ no, I'm stating that
the market for janitors
is not free, and thus
"market rate" is
meaningless.
\_ It's not meaningless
if you want to hire a
janitor.
\_ "This isn't a welfare state." We
disagree, that it all. You think that
"the market" determines all value and
I do not. Should we abolish child
labor laws, too?
\_ Safety employees are not "anyone," get
your facts straight.
\_ Safety employees have it better, but
it is still possible for anyone to
retire at age 50 if they buy some
airtime, especially if they buy it
early in their careers. It's not
too hard to do once you go out
and get another job after "retiring."
\_ I don't want a 55 year old cop trying
to wrestle bad guys to the ground, I
fine with them getting a good
retirement at 55 or even 50 after
25 years of service. If you think
being a cop is so great, you should
go be one, I am sure they would
take you. Hardly anyone is willing
to do the job, even with the so-called
overinflated salaries and benefits
you complain about.
\_ the thing about this that I don't like is gov employees who are
utterly convinced that their benefits aren't a part of their salary
and "industry makes more money" just based on pure | paycheck |.
\_ I'm a govt. employee, and I'm well-aware that my benefits are
part of my salary. It's why my salary is lower than market. I'm
willing to make the trade-off for the security, and I don't
grumble about it. Mind you, I'm also not going to ever become
a startup millionaire, so there you go.
\_ 1988: "Mama, I'm gonna move to hollywood and become a star!1!"
\_ I wonder if in 20 years they'll have reality tv shows about
people moving to silivalley and bringing their software
concepts to the world. "If i could dream dot com."
\_ You know, if the TLC and Bravo can make shows about
\_ You know, if TLC and Bravo can make shows about
those idiots flipping houses in Hollywood, I don't see
why a reality show about 70 hour weeks at a Start-up
wouldn't fly. It's not like there's not enough drama
among geeks.
\_ There would have to be the 6 month 120 episode
prequel series to explain all the in jokes.
\_ Aren't they common culture now?
\_ No, but nerds think so because they are so
insular and closed-cultured.
\_ Would the movie "Office Space" do the trick?
\_ So, you want to do a "The Real Office Space?"
something that is apart from ... The Office
and Office Space and 9 to 5; just saying the
jokes people will get are pretty common and all
boil down to dilbert strips. Funny for a couple
of hours maybe; (office space is still a cult
movie). but not for 2 seasons+.
\_ re: univ perks, one of the nice perks is that you can
actually take classes as an employee. Think about the monetary
compensation for that, how much is it per unit post degree to
take a class at 1. as UC and 2. The Top UC? That example just
came to me, I'm sure there are other perks like that.
Oh right another: free gym membership is another have you
seen how much a monthly gym costs? Granted it's not 24 hour
fitness, but still....
Yes I know it still costs for univ employees but there is
a discount.
\_ Courses are still very expensive for staff. RSF is
$420/year for staff, that's not a discount for what you're
getting.
\_ I would pay much more to get the chance to check out
hot teenage undergrads in spandex tights.
\_ A big perk often not mentioned is a car allowance. A lot of
government employees get them: up to $550/month or more.
There are others which are not counted as "salary" including
housing allowance and other subsidies. Some of these can be
very significant (up to 50% of total pay.)
\_ And all of those are also available to private sector
employees. If you think government jobs are so great, go
get one. Oh, forgot, you're too incompetent.
\_ My Company Benefits are BIGGER than yours!
\_ I think we take from this that not all priv sector jobs
are the same vs the uniformity of the .gov benefits.
\_ Yeah I'm really enjoying my car and housing allowance.
Oh, wait.
\_ I would have gotten one if I had known what a scam was
being perpetuated. I was living in the past. I didn't
realize what "New Government" was all about! No point
is getting one now, though, b/c the public is going to
end your gravy train soon enough. Public labor is very
scared and upset by the prospects of this eventuality
now that the taxpayers have caught on. You should be!
"The deal used to be that civil servants were paid less
than private sector workers in exchange for an
understanding that they had job security for life.
But we politicians, pushed by our friends in labor,
gradually expanded pay and benefits to private-sector
levels while keeping the job protections and layering
on incredibly generous retirement packages that pay
ex-workers almost as much as current workers."
--Willie Brown
\_ how do you know when Willie Brown is lying? His lips are
moving.
\_ You're going to say this about anyone who disagrees
with you. Better from a SF liberal Democrat with a
history of supporting labor than a Republican you will
dismiss out of hand. At some point you need to
get your head out of the sand.
\_ No, I'm going to say that about Willie Brown, who
has been well-known as a self-satisfied, self-
promoting scumbag for a long time. Also, elitist;
he declared that "all those clerks pushing papers
and pencils" couldn't move into his beautiful
new City Hall. And he had his limo driver take
him 3 blocks from CIty Hall for a photo op on
Bike to Work Day.
\_ I think that this is true for City of SF jobs, but not
true in general.
\_ priv sector people who hate pub sector jobs so much go fix it
CA Voter initiative the pub jobs away. Ha ha. |
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