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| 2002/1/15-16 [Industry/Jobs] UID:23568 Activity:nil |
1/15 How feasible is it to work for a professor as an RA, programmer, or
sys adm after you've graduated? How's the pay? -graduating senior
\_ Dunno about RA but the others fall under Programmer/Analyst. The
department will need to open a job req, take resumes from the public
for a period of time, interview a minimum number of candidates and
then justify hiring you for the job. The pay is very far below
industry assuming you can get an industry job. You may or may not
work as much as the typical industry person depending on the prof. |
| 2002/1/11 [Industry/Jobs] UID:23528 Activity:insanely high |
1/10 I haven't done technical interviews in a really long time and
now they make me nervous. I already screwed up one, not because
I didn't know how to answer the questions but because I was so
nervous. Is there any way to "prepare" for a technical interview?
any advice?
\_ Don't get nervous. Do more interviews, do more practice.
Plenty of jobs out there. Relax, think positive, it'll
\_ plenty of jobs? apparently you are employed.
happen when the time is right. Don't focus on yourself.
\_ bring a breath mint, wear some deoderant, and calm down.
\_ it wasn't a matter of hygiene, but thanks for the advice i guess.
\_ Don't get nervous. Do more interviews, do more practice.
Plenty of jobs out there. Relax, think positive, it'll
happen when the time is right.
\_ plenty of jobs? apparently you are employed.
happen when the time is right. Don't focus on yourself.
\_ Did you forget things you learned in school? Did you lack
enthusiasm for the job or were unable to feign it?
\_ yes, part of it is i've forgotten some stuff from school, which
is why i'm so much more nervous now than i was when i
interviewed right out of school. plus the market was hot
then. is it really starting to heat up again? -original poster
\- i did a bunch of interviews recently including interviewing
some pretty nervous people. all i can say is "if you dont know,
dont ramble. say i dont know and move on." --psb
\_ what kinds of questions do you usually ask people?
\- it depends whether it is a sysadmin job or a programming
job. usually i dont ask about general programming questions
like basic familiarity with hashes and linked lists but
more conceptual stuff about networking and reasonably
deep familarity with things like signals, processes groups,
streams, maybe some stuff on memory, tcp state diag. of
course if it is for a junior sys admin maybe a question
on regexps, icmp, dns. i also dont ask logic puzzles,
although i am tempted to ask one like "you are in a canoe
with a bowling ball on a lake. you throw it into the
water. does the level of the lake go up or down". --psb
\_ I think the level of the lake goes down, assuming the
bowling ball sinks. Correct?
\_ it does go down, but only because the splash from
the ball will increase the surface area, increasing
the evaporation rate.
\_ My reflex is to say that it would go down because
the bowling ball's weight causes the canoe to
displace more water than the bowling ball's volume,
but I haven't really thought about it. I'd be
interested in hearing the answer.
\_ read up on something technical that your interviewers likely
forgot about, and then say "that question is analogous to..."
subject x. then they'll feel too embarrassed to admit
you know something they don't!
\_ Whenever I hit situations like this while conducting interviews,
I simple say "I don't know that" and ask the candidate to
explain it to me. So he has no way out.
\_ The last time I interviewed, I worked up a set of questions
for the position and had someone interview me with them.
It really helped keep me comfortable when many of the
same questions came up in the interview. -tom |
| 2002/1/5-6 [Computer, Industry/Jobs] UID:23472 Activity:nil |
1/4 hitech SUCKS.
\_ hitech is awesome - much better than that lame stuft burritto
crap at tacohell. Too bad they don't have more South Bay
restaurants.
\_ Hitech had decent deals on components, but their Berkeley office
closed down. |
| 2001/12/18 [Industry/Jobs] UID:23290 Activity:nil |
12/16 Dear Economics Department Chair, Placement Officer, and/or
Placement Assistant:
Please pardon the impersonal nature of this cry for help. As you
may know, the Federal Communications Commission is experiencing
major mail delivery problems as we deal with the possibility of
contaminated mail. We have received very little mail since early
October. This has made it difficult for interested job
candidates, either graduate students or faculty in transition, to
respond to our advertisement in Job Openings for Economists. I
am therefore writing to request that you disseminate to any
interested parties the attached "broadside" explaining our
situation and providing email and fax contacts to be used by
anyone interested in submitting information to us. I know that
interview schedules in Atlanta are filling up rapidly, so I hope
that you or someone in your department can post this information
soon.
Thanks in advance for your help and best wishes for a happy
holiday season.
Sincerely,
Jonathan D. Levy Deputy Chief Economist FCC
The Federal Communications Commission will have several positions
for Ph.D. level economists (GS-12 to GS-15) beginning in 2002.
We seek candidates with expertise in a field of applied
microeconomics such as industrial organization and candidates
with expertise in statistics or applied econometrics. Experience
in telecommunications and/or regulatory policy is a plus, but not
a necessity. These positions will primarily involve the domestic
and international telecommunications industry, the broadcast, and
cable industries, and the development of policy recommendations
for the FCC. The current salary range for a GS-12 to GS-15 is
$53,156 to $114,224. The beginning salary will be based on
background and research accomplishments. Interested individuals
should submit a vita, 3 references or letters of recommendation,
and a writing sample to Director of Recruiting, Office of Plans
and Policy, 445 12th St. SW, Washington, DC 20554. Any of this
material available in electronic form should also be sent to
jlevy@fcc.gov. Other material, including letters of
recommendation, may be faxed to (202) 418-2807. The FCC budget
has been approved by Congress and signed by the President, but
the total number of positions available has not yet been
determined. We plan to interview at the Allied Social Science
Meetings. U.S. citizenship required. The FCC is an equal
opportunity employer
\_ another reason to go to grad school even if it's not in CS.
\_ Hardly. Non-CompSci BA. $120k. GS15 = 114k with PhD and all
that other crap? And I get to play with millions of dollars of
cool toys in between surfing marathons and I'm not a government
employee. That last part is the most important. |
| 2001/12/18 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA, Industry/Jobs] UID:23287 Activity:insanely high |
12/17 Where can I get a poster of Cal pictures (e.g. poster of Sather gate
or tower, Soda Hall, etc etc?) -Cal sick alumni with a windowless
cubicle who hates working in the industry
\_ http://www.OCF.Berkeley.EDU/~oso/calpics/sather.jpg
\_ Isn't that from some Playboy College Interview or something?
\_ are you familiar with the capabilites of the Google
toolbar's "Up" button?
\_ Did I mention Brooke was my girlfriend until I dumped her?
\_ It's strange that http://images.google.com doesn't find any
pics for her when searching for "Brooke Williams".
\_ it's brooke BERRY now
\_ get off my dick.
\_ Berry is her real last name. Williams was an alias.
\_ Nice tits! From your experience are those real?
\_ Oh yeah! They're real! The doctor said they were
as good as the real thing! Try the pencil test.
\_ No, sorry.
\_ Reprint Mint on Telegraph should have some of the Ansel Adams
images. -tom
\_ Ansel Adams has images of UCB?
\_ Yes, he did a whole series of Berkeley shots. -tom
\_ http://photo.ucr.edu/photographers/adams -lcddave
\_ any color print? I'm a color kinda person.
\_ why don't you go there and look. Sheeze. -tom
\_ I too thought Ansel Adams only took B&W pics, but at the
"Anzel Adams at 100" exhibition in SF I actually saw a few
color postcards. -- yuen
\_ he did some color prints, but he wasn't happy with
the quality available at the time. He also basically
invented a developing system for black and white prints,
and his developing skills wouldn't really carry over. -tom
\_ wow, that's like us, developing awsome UNIX skills
that are so esoteric that they will not be carried over
to the next few decades
\_ Yeah, except for the awesome part. -oj
\_ People still create great pictures in black and
white. -tom |
| 2001/12/11-12 [Industry/Jobs] UID:23210 Activity:low |
12/10 I found the following book pretty useful. If you're a laid off dotcomer
or who is no longer passionate about technology, buy this book:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1580082424/qid=1008053251/sr=2-2/ref=sr_2_11_2/104-1528290-4681515
\_ dotcommer: noun, pl dotcommers; the marketing chick who made 4 times
what she'd make in the real world. Dotcommers != techies with
skills. You'll never see a "dotcommer profile" in the papers with
a code monkey, or any sort of IT people. The one they did profile
a year or so ago turned out to be a fake. I do wonder what becomes
of all the ex-execs. One company I was at was run into the ground
by the 27-29 year old founders. Had Stanfurd degrees and Softbank
money for a year. What does someone like that do after they kill
an otherwise perfectly good little startup? |
| 2001/12/7 [Industry/Jobs] UID:23171 Activity:high |
12/6 What job sites are people getting most mileage from these days?
I am talking about senior engineers who have been laid off thanks
to dot.bombs.
\_ http://dice.com
\_ http://hotjobs.com worked for me -ausman
\_ as a recruiter, I prefer http://hotjobs.com for job postings
and searching for new resumes. -mas
\_ so from a recruiter, can you tell me why companies emphasis
only on industrial experience? I can understand if someone
wasn't a CS major turned programmer, then yeah industrial
experience is what indicates that person's skill. However,
most industrial programming is not as rigorous as UCB projects
This is my second job. 1st job I was doing win32 programming,
this job I am doing Java programming. Compare to UCB CS
projects they are so simple. I do have a few co-workers here
who were purely industrially turned programmers. I constantly
hear them bitching about how hard it is to debug in java; and
get this, they don't trust what the error message says from
the compiler/server, incredible! The problem is they don't
have the skills to track down a problem. They have about 6-10
years industrial exp, whereas I have only 4. Buy their 6-10
is nothing from what I see. =D
\_ you have stumbled onto the Great Equestrian Paradox:
why are there more horse's asses in the world than there
are horses?
\_ sounds like you're working with a bunch of idiots...
find a new job or ask for a raise. - ! a recruiter
\_ Skills vary. Companies trust Industry because they can't
tell much from school experience, even prestigious schools.
Being good at school doesn't always translate into being
good in the industry. Working in teams, within standards,
with changes happening constantly, being on time and on
budget without burning yourself or those around you out
are some of the considerations. Unless you've done
something impressive while at school, you need to earn
trust and respect. It sucks, but that's life.
\_ I've interviewed PhDs from good schools with years of
experience that couldn't code a simple TCP server. I
believe that it comes down to the person rather than
what experience they have (school or job-based).
What really sucks is when someone with a lot of experience
is interviewing for a coding job, but gets insulted when
you ask them a coding question during the interview.
They expect their experience to get them the job without
having to prove that they can code. Those types don't
get past the first round where I work. |
| 2001/11/13 [Industry/Jobs] UID:23023 Activity:high |
11/12 Let's say that I'm a bored sysadm and I want to join the Reserves.
What would they have me do, IT stuff, scrubs or what?
\_ which reserves? Police or military?
\_ Whatever they need. After you sign up, they can reassign you and
activate you as needed. If they feel like activating you and using
you as an infantryman, they can and will do so (I assume you meant
military reserves).
\_ This doesn't really happen. You do what you are trained to do.
When you sign up, you and the recruiter decide what your job
would be.
would be. -ausman
\_ don't they first give you a personality test and an IQ
test? I heard that the smart people work on intell stuff
and the dumb people get put on the front line.
\_ Would you want to do IT stuff? If you're a bored sysadm, infantry
will be an exciting change! |
| 2001/11/9-10 [Industry/Jobs] UID:22992 Activity:kinda low |
11/9 I've a boss who is impossible to work for -- he has to show that he is
superior at every occasion and had staff meeting once every 1 or 2
months. should i just quite and look for a new job? how is the market?
\_ You think that's bad? I have a boss would never listen, wanted
to write a batch file that automate a telnet session, never had
a staff metting for the 11 months I've worked for him. Job
market is bad. Stay where you are.
\_ I thought there was justice when my ex-boss was pushed into
retirement due to gross incompetence. Then I found out he left
because of a sexual harassment issue. Oh well, he's gone anyway,
and my life's been happier since.
\_ Staff meeting every 1 or 2 months? Is that it? Is this
your direct boss or your VP? Every place I have worked at
has weekly staff meetings. Oh, keep your job, especially
if you work in the Bay Area.
\_ The market is softer than it was last year, but it still exists.
It never hurts to poke around and see if your speciality is in
demand enough to warrent quitting. An impossible boss will drive
you nuts. Looking for a new job will at least give you some sense
of hope.
\_ I have a boss whose sole job is to ask me how my projects are doing
and not actually manage me. He doesn't care whether it's late or
not or whatever.
\_ I was recently made a team lead, what do you guys want out of
a manager?
\_ For me: provide suffucient information to get something done.
My current manager gives me half described and very vague
little projects which just means I have to go back and ask what
the hell she wants. Today's: tell the vendor how we want the
Sun A5200 setup. How the hell should I know? I didn't even
know we were buying one or what we're attaching it to.
\_ Job market is sucking but exists. Do not ever quit a job before
you have a new one in hand. |
| 2001/11/7 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA, Industry/Jobs] UID:22969 Activity:nil |
11/7 Be the Man! Oakland Police looking for cadets; must be full-time
college students:
/csua/pub/jobs/OP |
| 2001/10/26 [Industry/Jobs] UID:22835 Activity:very high |
10/25 Okay, why do BART workers need a 22% raise over 4 years? That's
way more than inflation. They can get away with this only because
the union perceives BART as vital to the area. In that case, we
should all boycott BART.
http://www0.mercurycenter.com/premium/local/docs/054509.htm
\_ I have no problem with BART. I have no problem with people
getting raises. I have no problem with people going on
strike. What I have a problem with is people getting
guaranteed raises over a set number of years. I have to
work for my raise. I earn it. No one should get more
money, no matter how good their work is. We are all
watching the inbreeding of laziness.
money regardless of the quality of their work. We are
all watching the inbreeding of laziness.
\_ it's extortion, as far as i'm concerned. fuck them. if
i were mayor of sf, that last strike would have ended
*very* differently.
\_ These guys, as noted below, aren't even professionaly trained.
Lots of them earn $60-$80+K for the work they do, and yet
these motherfuckers complain about not getting paid enough.
Civil engineers are the guys who should be getting this
kind of salary (mean = $40K entry), not BART people. -- jj
\_ oh come off it, geek boy. I'm sure you've gotten more than a 22%
raise over the past 4 years. -tom
\_ ya, but he has no union-protected job security. in fact, he's
probably unemployed.
\_ I don't hold a gun to anybody's head to get a raise. There
lies the difference.
\_ so you never told anyone, if I don't get this raise I walk?
actually you probably didn't have to because until recently
most tech comapnies needed oyu and gave you the raise
premtivly. But BART guys don't get to get a solo raise.
It is for everyone there or none of them.
\_ If one engineer walks, it typically won't cripple
the company. So that's not holding a gun to their head.
\_ anyone can do BART jobs. there's no professional skill
involved that needs years of training, like e.g. nursing.
they don't get a solo raise because they don't f'n deserve
one.
\_ Neither did the BART employees.
\_ And this last batch was the "professionals" and managers. Since
when do managers have a union?? Ridiculous. Next we'll have
top level corporate execs with unions bitching to the board
that they need million$ more per yer or the executive's union
is going on strike. It's pure greed. They should have all been
fired. There's *lots* of qualified unemployed people around the
\_ like any of you geek boys would deign to drive a BART train
for a living. Open your eyes. -tom
\_ Hey, if they're gonna get paid more than us, why not?
SF Bay Area these days.
\_ Exactly. Since the law allows unions to prohibit employers to
hire non-union workers or to fire union members during
strikes, why doesn't the law also set a limit on how much
raise the union can ask for? If the law is to make it a
non-free market, why doesn't the law make it non-free to both
sides?
\____\_ Now you're getting snippy and saying stupid stuff. The
low-level managers are mostly promoted up from the ranks.
They are paid less than one would expect for their level
of experience, but are willing to do the job because of
the union and their pensions. Firing them all is plain
stupidity. And because unions do vote, they help form
the laws which, oddly enough, benefit them. Sheesh.
\_ I don't know about the low-level managers, but I saw
a job posting at a station which offers up to $50k+ for
an office clark position requiring only high school
education.
\_ Maybe he has gotten more than a 22% raise over the past 4
years, but he probably did it through promotions. What the BART
workers got is 22% over 4 years at the same job positions.
\_ 22%/4yrs is what they finally got. What they were asking for was
even more. I think it was 29% over 3 years. |
| 11/23 |
| 2001/10/21 [Industry/Jobs, Industry/Startup] UID:22787 Activity:high |
10/19 They are laying off 5 people in my group within the next two
weeks? Don't know who yet, they won't tell us. What should I do
in preparation?
\_ How many in your group? Work on your resume. Start your job
search now. Don't wait to get axed. If you have, uh, "special
access", abuse it and read HR and Finance's email to see who is
on the black list. BTW, you're not the person from a few months
ago posting that his startup was the one going to make it but who
refused to post the url, are you? The one who thought that only
slackers get cut in layoffs and good people are always retained?
The one who thought that only bad companies with all bad people go
under or can't get VC these days?
\_ No, that was me.
\_ Hi, you!
\_ are you a homosexual?
\_ Are you Aspolito? If not, why do you care?
\_ Yeah, got my resume and will probably take vacation before
the job search(but already know what companies to go for).
I was asking more about "other" preparations. Never been
have "special access".
laid off. Anything I need to do, at work? Actually, I do
have "special access" but I'm trying to resist. 25 in group.
\_ make sure you can collect unemployment.
\_ At times like these you have to protect yourself. Knowledge
is power and all that. Under normal circumstances I would
say don't do it but you need to know. Go read their mail.
Don't get caught. And whatever you do, don't *ever* tell
*anyone* you did it. As far as "other" things you can do,
there's not much non-job-search related things to do. You
might want to look into opening a roll over account for your
401k if you have one and do the 30 seconds of research looking
into health care costs if they don't extend your health to
more than the end of the month. Basically, just get your act
together financially. Don't make any big purchases. Even
if you don't get cut this round, you might get cut 3 months
from now if you're in a public company (the next financial
quarter). And whatever happens, DON'T TRUST THE BASTARDS!
Everything you're getting told may or may not be true and
you'll only be told things that benefit the company if you
believe them. Figure out the real deal on your own. And
seriously, best of luck, the job market is really tough right
now.
\_ usual common sense stuff. archive your files. clean up your
mail spool. sanitize your files. remove your personal objects
from the office. basically make sure there's nothing left that
might embarass or incriminate you later.
\_ Careful cleaning out your physical space. You don't want them
thinking you're all set to get axed and do you instead of
someone else. Bring home anything expensive or of personal
value but leave up all the calendars, posters, doodads and
other crap you won't miss. Don't make it look like you already
got chopped. Perception is reality and all that. |
| 2001/10/2 [Industry/Jobs] UID:22621 Activity:nil |
10/2 Would you participate in a programming contest if you are good,
but you know there are lots more who are better programmers than
you? If so, why?
\_ to see where you rank?
\_ to have fun? to improve your skills? to see how well you do?
to find out where your skills need improvement? Why would any
one else's skill levels affect your decision to participate? |
| 2001/9/15 [Industry/Jobs] UID:36301 Activity:nil |
9/14 Friday Night at 7:00 p.m (US edt). step out your door, stop your car,
or step out of your establishment and light a candle. We will show the
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Please pass this to everyone on your e-mail list. We need to reach
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WE STAND UNITED - WE WILL NOT TOLERATE TERRORISM!
CHECK OUT OUR WEB SITE AT http://www.ynpn.org http://www.ynpn.org |
| 2001/9/7 [Industry/Jobs] UID:22348 Activity:nil |
9/7 http://heather.cs.ucdavis.edu/itaa.real.html#tth_sEc6.2.7 Doug Pecchenino of Xilinx told me (August 26, 1998) that his firm is only interested in graduates with grade-point averages (GPAs) of above 3.8 on a 4.0 scale. Valaiya Smith, a new graduate writing in Computerworld (August 3, 1998), complained that employers' restriction to those having GPAs higher than 3.5 is unfair to people like Smith who are married with families and working full-time while going to school. \_ They'll get what they deserve if that's their policy. --dim |
| 2001/8/26-27 [Industry/Jobs, Politics, Politics/Domestic/SocialSecurity] UID:22266 Activity:high |
8/26 brits out!
\_ http://www.perkel.com/nerd/nlm.htm
\_ These smarties should put their intellectual ability
towards find some social skills.
towards finding some social skills.
\_ Or at least some basic grammar lessons.
\_ But someone set up them the bomb because they have so much
accurate |
| 2001/8/7 [Industry/Jobs] UID:22024 Activity:very high |
8/6 Don't hire a Cantonese because
1) he/she will hire more Cantonese
2) they will not care about the quality of their work. They are
literally obsessed with money-- it's ingrained in their culture.
3) they jabber in nasal, irritating voices
\_ inflammatory troll or bitterness?
\_ think achoi
\_ I suspect someone got jilted by a cantonese girl
\_ i totally agree. cantonese are more likely to display signs
of chinesery than any other group. and chinesery is disgusting. |
| 2001/8/6 [Industry/Jobs] UID:22017 Activity:high 61%like:22018 |
8/6 "Defense contractor General Dynamics said on Monday it plans to
buy communications giant Motorola Inc.'s Integrated Information
Systems Group for $825 million to strengthen its position in
communications and information technology."
Goes back to my statements about Dyncorp, EDS, IBM.... Dyncorp
scored big when they bought GTE's IT group for a billion. However
that tranaction seemed to get no press at all. Its like people
just don't talk about this sector, but from everything I see,
these are the companies which are going to be able to correctly
be the "outsource" IT suppliers. However the mindset needs to
change and all the damn consultants need to change there pitch
from dot com/ msft/ erp bandwagon and jump onto network
outsourcing bandwagon
BTW notice keyword "communications" this should read "network"
however seems like "network" is now a bad word
\_ Is this Kinney? |
| 2001/8/4-5 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/China, Industry/Jobs, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Taiwan] UID:22001 Activity:insanely high |
8/4 In general, do people find a difference working for
managers with different racial background? Does the
cultural/racial background of your supervisor affect
how the team is run?
\_ yes. When i'm managed by a team of monkeys, they seem to just
confuse techonolical facts by screaming loudly at meetings and
throwing around feces. Oh wait.. I guess there's not much diff.
\_ fuck you, dude. you need to get a clue.
\_ Relax the head. It is a legitimate question, even if it's
gotten your PC engine revving. Different ethnicities often
as fast as the blacks, are generally very quite, polite and
translate into different cultural backgrounds, and thus, varying
ways of dealing with other people, or with work, with hierarchy,
etc. -John
\_ yes, I find that generally my black managers are very loud
and crass... and my asian managers, though not able to run
as fast as the blacks, are generally very quiet, polite and
intelligent.
\_ how true it is.
\_ They're also astonishingly good at math.
\_ They also frown upon people who arrive after 8 AM and
leave before 8 PM and take an hour for lunch.
\_ I find differences in all managers, regardless of race. I've
had six managers, all caucasian, and they ranged from senile
to intelligent, from hands-on to "I dunno what a function is",
from socialable to introverted.
\_ I think culture plays such a big role here. I've had Caucasian
mgrs who are just absolutely great; maybe because they have such
a cheerful personality that you can get along with them like
buddies and they understand young people. Then I've also had a
Taiwanese manager who's old-school who grunt when you leave work
before 7 PM, who keep on raising the bar on you and so demanding
that they really don't give a shit about your life outside work.
No stereotype here, but old school hard working managers often
expect their subordinates to do the same, regardless of race -jthoms
\_ I've worked for asian, indian and caucasian managers and
I have to say that the caucasian managers were the best
of the bunch. They knew where their technical limits were
and they knew how to deal with personality problems and
how to defend thier team in meetings with higher ups.
I recieved larger option grants, bigger bonuses and better
equipment as rewards for a job well done under caucasian
managers than under the others. Asian and Indian managers
never wanted to reward or promote anyone, they were just
interested in covering thier own ass and getting as much
out of you for as little pay as possible.
The asian and indian managers never realized that if
you like the company and the work you don't have to be
forced to show up and work.
\_ it's the horrid "Thou shalt suffer as I have suffered."
philosophy. Very stupid. Very "lets reinvent the wheel".
\_ They may influence how the team itself is built.
I watch a manager in a "neighbouring" department hire
programmers.... and strangely enough, 3 out of the 4 new
hires all spoke cantonese. Pure coincidence that she was
a cantonese-speaking chinese woman, eh?
\_ not to stereotype or anything, but I hate Cantonese
workers. They have a high tendency to talk loudly and have
a high tendency to talk about stock market, BMW, dim-sum,
\_ Best manager I ever had was a tall slender blonde woman --asian guy
so on and so forth. And they rarely mix well (read-- no
assimilation) with other Asian race. Say no to Cantonese,
Once had a Taiwanese manager and he was cool, confident and
good jokes, never grunted, probably atypical. --asian guy
the bane and the embarrasement of the Chinese race.
\_ Where is cantonese spoken? Mainland? Taiwan? HK?
\_ guang dong provence, which is where guang zhou is.
guang zhou == canton
\_ the ones you see here are usually from Hong Kong.
\_ wtf are you talking about? embarrassment of the Chinese
race? I find southerners (cantonese) to be more friendly
and easy-going than stuck-up northerners. northern food
sucks too. (and before you accuse me of being biased, one
of my parents is from the the north, and the other is
from the south.)
\_ I don't know what you mean about rarely mixing well.
Since most Cantonese had British education, their
English is usually pretty damn good. I don't know what
the hell you mean about not mixxing well with other Asian
races. Who DOES mix well, in Asia?
Yes, they tend to be on the materialistic side, but
seriously, how many in the bay area are not? I can not
see how they would be any worse than say the Taiwanese.
\_ This is common among all races. Indians hire indians,
Vietnamese hire vietnamese. This behavior is especially
promoted by referal bonuses. If anything, my impression
was that the Cantonese seem the most equal opportunity
among the Asians.
\_ There are two type of indians, one who will hire only
other indians and the other who will hire anyone other
that indian. I have not found this phenomenon in other
cultures (except perhaps caucasian).
Anyway, as an Indian I tend to be reluctant to hire
other indians because I don't trust them to do a good
job.
\_ Best manager I ever had was a tall slender blonde woman -- best
support, best pay and bonuses and review and had sense of humor.
Once had a Taiwanese manager and he was cool, confident, told
good jokes, never grunted, probably atypical. Had 3 male
white bosses, all fine. Differences may be due to culture
or background or the fact that white folks are used to being
the rulers in command of their subordinates in American society
whereas others are just struggling with no role models.
Certainly, being a manager involves people-skills and being with
people of like mind and background helps smooth things, but that
does not mean it's anything more than a minor issues. You may even
differences will help the project. And to be a good, valuable worker
or manager nowadays, esp. with global corporations and customers,
you need to learn to work w/ others. --asian guy
\_ I'd love a tall, slender blonde woman too, but for
reasons other than you said...
\_ is that you, my little lollipop. |
| 2001/7/24-25 [Industry/Jobs] UID:21934 Activity:nil |
7/24 To the person who claims is hiring for the "right" skill, my
login is tyf.
\_ Are things really so bad at cisco that you want to leave? |
| 2001/7/23 [Industry/Jobs, Computer/Rants] UID:21916 Activity:moderate |
7/23 Anyone recently changed jobs could comment on the current
climate for employment?
\_ i'm hiring, if you've got the right skills. right skills being
high-speed logic design, cot backend, sonet, error correction
if you have a phd in the right things. i'll sign my motd if
you'll sign yours. |
| 2001/7/17 [Industry/Jobs] UID:21818 Activity:high |
7/16 So how many luzers are still working at dot-com/start-ups that
has yet gone IPO?
\_ And they are losers when compared to people who worked at
start-ups and then have been laid off how?
\_ They are because obviously the poster is bitter about being
one of those laid off
\_ i am because some loser VCs are still throwing big money at us
\_ did you mean to say "have yet to go IPO"? |
| 2001/7/12-13 [Recreation/Dating, Industry/Jobs] UID:21775 Activity:moderate |
7/12 So, i'm trying to get laid off from my progamming job, because
I've decided to leave (and I already have my next job lined up) but
I want to partake of my company's generous severance package. The
company is going through lay-offs right now so it's not unlikely
that this would actually happen, but how do I go about getting
laid off but not fired?
\_ You're trying to get laid... from your programming job.
\_ It's probably a little late to lower your job performance,
but a sudden defeatist "we're all going to get fired anyway"
can go a long way.
\_ a friend of mine who went through the same thing volunteered
to be laid off so that his boss wudnt hafta pick someone else
tho he was real tight w/ his boss so it worked out fine.. -shac
\_ Yup, this is the way to go. Assuming you are in good standing,
tell them you would like to be laid off as well. It could work.
\_ You should quit. Go ahead and figure out a way to ask to be
laid off though -- although a nutty manager might fire you. |
| 2001/6/11 [Industry/Jobs] UID:21478 Activity:high |
6/11 Anybody transitioned from being in high-tech to another career? I'm
beginning to get sick of this rat race. I used to thinking that
becoming a manager and climbing the ladder will make things better,
but it hasn't. I'm thinking of starting a small business like owning
a restaurant or running a franchise like Mail Boxes Etc. -sick of tech
\_ i am thinking of going back to chemE stuff but since I learned a lot
of cs I can incorporate that into what I want to do.
Mostly use cs as a tool for helping in research
\_ have you thought about switching to another career but still in
high tech? like tech-grunt -> marketing/sales/product mgment
that way would be less of a hurt to the wallet and keep some of the
value of your experience. or become an FAE or consultant. or not.
\_ Something like a sales engineer?
\_ whatever appeals to you. also, maybe a teacher. one of my
H.S. teachers was an engineer who got sick of engineering.
i dunno, just thinking of things where your knowledge could
still be used, but if it's "time for something completely
different" only you can figure it out.
\_ My real estate agent was a hardware engr before he decided to switch
career several years ago. He said he made a lot more $ as an agent.
But of course for someone switcheing to real estate now it'd be a
little late.
\_ I met this engineer in Taiwan. He already made enough money, so
he quit his job and started driving taxis cuz he likes talking to
people. |
| 2001/6/10-11 [Industry/Jobs] UID:21471 Activity:high |
6/9 It kinda scares me that my CEO is making major purchasing
decisions based on my "research" on the subject. I don't like
the idea that a company's life can weigh on the decisions of a
person like myself with little to no experience on the subject
except that I can read and write Japanese to a degree. No, it
isn't bad ass!
Overall things are easy. I enjoy going to work actually because
the guys are cool and I learn quite a bit. we have three very
senior level people so I get good input from them. I tend to
trust their judgment more than my own just on the basis of
experience. My only complaint is that we've done little to move
forward since I've come aboard so I'm not comfortable with out
situation. Should I look elsewhere?
\_ An idiot like you who confuses "way" and "weigh" should be
grateful to be employed. --dim
\_ he spelled "judgment" right, which is impressive
\_ An idiot like you who confuses 'our' with 'out' should be glad
to be employed.
\_ shut the fuck up dim
\_ No. An idiot who can barely write coherent English is lucky
to be employed at all.
\_ As long as your higher-ups are aware of the negative aspects
of your research, the responsibility is solely on them if
if it fails. And have a little self esteem.
\_ It's not whether you can make the best possible decision.
It's whether you can make a better decision than the idiot
who would be doing so if you don't. |
| 2001/6/1-3 [Industry/Jobs] UID:21401 Activity:kinda low |
5/31 My bi-annual bonus/raise is coming up. What should I expect given
the crappy market it is now?
\_ 10% of your salary, no less. Seriously? uh... doesn't this
completely depend on your contract/performance?
\_ Depends on your company's financial situation. My company
postponed the raise to November. Everyone in my company
seemed satisfied since no salary reduction or layoff was
issued.
\_ Ask for more than you think you can get. It won't hurt. I used
to feel uncomfortable doing that, but more often than not the
answer is "Yes" or "Yes, but...". When they start saying "No"
is when you should ease off. --dim
\_ This is true in most cases. |
| 2001/5/29-30 [Industry/Jobs] UID:21383 Activity:low |
5/30 If you're still looking for a summer internship, try
http://www.ttb.siemens.com They are across the street from Au Coquolet and
hire Cal EECS/CS students for the summer.
\_ I interviewed there, but they weren't hiring. Maybe it was
just me, but I thought they weren't hiring anyone.
\_ Maybe they didn't like you.
\_ I don't like you either. |
| 2001/5/17 [Industry/Jobs, Computer/SW/Database] UID:21298 Activity:nil |
5/16 How much should an Oracle DBA with 3 years experience be paid in
the Bay Area? I have a friend that's thinking about relocating
to the Bay Area. Some real figures would be nice.
\_ http://salary.com
\_ Tried that, it wasn't specific enough.
\_ $75k
\_ Really? Post a URL to their resume. My company will hire them
*immediately* at that rate. Of course that's just a totally
made up figure. In the real world, it's much higher.
\_ There's should be plenty right now in the market willing
work for that figure.
\_ No one worth hiring. That's a junior level salary.
\_ Isn't 3 year experience still considered junior
level?
\_ I wouldn't expect Oracle DBA salary to be high
considering there many Oracle DBA out there.
The training to be a Oracle DBA is highly
available. Heck, we just trained our sys admin
to be Oracle DBA. He is doing just fine. |
| 2001/5/14-16 [Industry/Jobs] UID:21269 Activity:insanely high |
5/14 L&S graduation schedule:
Prof. Patterson is scheduled to speak.
Kevin Fong is the Key Note Speaker
These are the student speakers:
1. Minh T. Nguyen
2. Ha Nguyen
3. Tal Garfinkel
4. benson limketkai
\_ has anyone TA-d the 61 series more times than benson?
\_ yes. dan garcia. but benson is still a Really Cool Guy (tm).
\_ who is now teaching 61a....
\_ Where?
\_ Zellerbach.
\_ When?
\_ What happens at L&S graduation? Do they show you how to
cut your L&S diploma into long strips so that you can use
as toliet paper for a week? Or do they show you the tricks
to make it as a pan handler? - Engineering Alum
\_ Where, what, who, when?
\_ http://ugrad.csua.berkeley.edu/commenceProg01.doc for full
programme.
\_ What happens L&S graduation? Do show they you to how
cut L&S diploma become long strips so you use as toliet
paper for week? Or they do show you tricks to make be a
pan handler? - Engineering Alum
\_ it teaches you how to interview engineering alums and
give them the least compensations.
\_ I guess L&S barely teaches literacy.
\_ Non-engineers never do interviews of engineering
prospects that anyone else cares about. Yes, as a tech
you sometimes have to talk to some moron in HR but just
smile and pretend to be interested in what they're
saying and HR-Bot is satisfied. Even if they're not,
the hiring manager is an engineer and has the final say
so anyway. Take your history diploma to the
unemployment line. Compensation itself is competitive
or the candidate walks and your company is left with an
empty chair or a lesser employee. Good thing you saved
$5/month on staffing on the way to headlines over at
http://fuckedcompany.com
\_ Non-engineers do never interviews with engineeringers
of which anyone else cares nothing about. Yes, as tech
you sometimes have talk to moron in HR (very wacky) smile
like good sarariman and pretend be interested what they
saying and HR-Bot is satisfied. Even they not,
the hiring manager is engineer-bro too and has final say
so anyway (very wacky). Take history diploma to
unemployment line. Compensation itself competitive
or the candidate is going and happy kiretsu is lef wit
empty chair or lesser sarariman. Good thing you saved
$5/month staffing way to headlines over http://fuckedcompany.com
Then you go fight the bear! Make sure your children be
a doctor and play violin or piano!
\_ Whoa. Is someone playing around with Philip's RantBot
(tm) technology again?
\_ Truth hurts, eh?
\_ a degree in Lit paved the way for me to live abroad for six years,
surfing mornings, working afternoons, and partying nights. how's
that Engineering degree treating you?
\_ you could have dropped out of high school and done that. or,
you could live in santa cruz and do that, i knew a couple
engineers who did. and "made bank".
\_ Its treating me just fine. I'm a millionare.
\- er what "advantage" did a lit degree (over and eng) give you
to obtain this lifestyle? inquiring psb wants to know --psb
\_ if you have to ask, you don't know. - !psb
\_ No Such Association
\_ Duh. Is this what a lit degree got you? Any idiot
can get stoned and hang out in Europe. It doesn't
\_ I a millionare sarariman. hahaha my stock is like penis!
take a degree in anything. You still stoned?
\_ heh, any idiot but you, apparently
\_ Yeah I lack the special skills required
that only lit majors get in college. I
don't have the special training required to
get stoned and sit in a park all night
shrooming myself into another galaxy.
\_ you make this sound like a bad thing |
| 2001/5/10-12 [Industry/Jobs, Industry/Startup] UID:21236 Activity:high |
5/10 I've been having a hell of a time finding any summer jobs.
Is anyone here hiring programmers for the summer?
\_ Unfortunately not. I've been trying to push our company
to hire a few interns this summer and its almost impossible.
No one wants to spend money on *anything* including interns.
\_ No.
\_ shit is tough right now, I've been looking as well...
\_ Think, "dotcoms bomb, programmers everywhere". Kid there are so
many unemployed and underemployed coders out there with years more
real world experience than you that you should forget about any
sort of technical job this summer and just find a nice beach. In
fact there are plenty of very talented and highly skilled people
out of work right now willing to take almost anything.
You just can't admit to yourselves that you are not that bright.
\_ Stupid dotcom programmers everywhere. I don't know a single
intelligent programmer who is having a hard time finding work.
The last time smart people had problems with work was 1930s.
\_ I think it has less to do with how smart the person is and
more to do with how "on the money" the company itself is.
if the company is a loser, it doesn't matter how "useful"
you could be because you're expending your smarts on stuff
that really doesn't matter to the people paying the bills,
which is ultimately the customers. Of course, it's harder
to get a job at a good company because you're competing
against the other smart people. And obviously, this is
because smart people look at the business plan and don't
go work for a loser. Ergo, dotcommers are NOT smart. QED.
I guess I just contradicted myself. Whatever.
\_ Yes, it's easy to use 20/20 to say what was good and what
was bad. If I was employee #1 at Netscape or Yahoo or
others I'd be a genius, right? No. There's a lot of
luck involved. Research and business plan examining only
goes so far. If it was that easy, then every business
plan would be a success as no one would ever have a bad
plan. You're not making sense.
\_ Well, Netscape had a crappy business plan; they were
a stock only company. I for one never saw anything
to it, it was clear early on that the value of the
browser was only strategic; since Netscape didn't
have anything to leverage the browser with it was
pointless. Yahoo is a decent company because they
actually have a business model and are useful.
But it's a web site; they don't need armies of
developers. Most of the failed dotcoms were hyped
bullshit and many people said as much at the time.
\_ Netscape was selling the server, not the browser.
You *could* buy the browser but that wasn't their
point. Yahoo is just a web site? You've never
actually looked at all the different shit Yahoo
offers, then. Go look around their site at all
the services (whether you find them personally
useful or not) and tell me that doesn't take a
lot of coders to write and maintain?
\_ it was the browser that had the value. since
they didn't take advantage of it when they had
the chance, i attribute it to poor management.
those "servers" obviously weren't demanded by
the market. the browser was; but it doesn't
make money on its own. i guess it's true that
microsoft killed them, but then who didn't see
that coming once IE 1.0 came out. as for yahoo,
it's a portal, they are a good one with a large
customer base, but that business model just
doesn't support a big overhead. how many is
"a lot" of coders to you? most of it looks like
monkey work.
\_ How many is "an army of developers" to you?
This is all beside the point. The front office
girl at NS retired a multi millionaire. Was
she a genius or she just get lucky? The point
being that you can't *know* for certain if a
small company will make it until it's all
hindsight and the post-analysis geniuses crawl
out from under their rocks and claim they knew
it all along.
\_ Yes, you rule the universe.
\_ No, but we are smarter than you.
\_ No, I'm certain you rule the universe. Afterall,
it's a fact that anyone who ever worked for a
company that did layoffs or went out of business is
a no-talent moron, right?
\_ You are making a clumsy strawman, no wonder you
can't find work. No, smart people get laid off
too, but unlike mediocrities like you, they can
easily find another job.
\_ I didn't make the strawman. Just rewording
the one that was already there. And because
I know you're concerned, I'm gainfully
employed. Thanks for showing concern. Are
you one of the academic employees here who
mistakenly believes that skilled people
always easily get a new job and lesser
talents don't? The world isn't like that.
\_ No I am not, I am merely a programmer
who was not laid off (because I was
actually useful to my company).
\_ Silly boy. A lot of programmers who
are useful to their companies got the
axe. No one is immune. You honestly
\_ I am immune.
\_ Only if you
work for a
company of
one and maybe
not even then.
--------------/
My company is an obvious
counterexample (60). The basic
point you seem unable to
comprehend is, despite what
managers tell you, in times of
belt tightening the fat, not
the muscle, gets eliminated.
If you were eliminated you
were not useful. If you are
still working, you are useful.
End of story. Stop
hypothesising (incorrectly)
about the possible state of
my company, or else continue
sounding the fool.
\_ 60 people? You work for a
tiny blip of a company and
think your company is immune
to the economy and the
marketplace? I've seen
perfectly good people get
axed at several companies.
You're fooling yourself if
you think your tiny little
speck of a company is some
magical wonderland immune
to a bad economy, management
mistakes, overhiring,
changes in the market which
make your product/service
obsolete or unnecessary or
any of a million other
causes of company downturn
and layoffs. Is this your
first job? You sound a lot
like my friends who thought
their first job was magic,
too.
\_ My first job sucked.
\_ If times get too tight
even you will go.
\_ Sure, along with the
whole company. This
will happen if we have
another 1930s style
recession, then it will
suck for everyone, even
smart people. Right now,
however, only idiots are
let go.
\_ That's all I ment
by the statement
that no one is
immune.
\_ 1930s was a depression.
\_ What's the name of
this special place you
work for (currently)?
I'd like to judge for
myself how long you'll
have a job.
\_ I ll know in a year
if the company
succeeds.
\_ *laugh* Not if
you get laid off
first!
\_ No way!
think the people doing the cutting
even know who the hell you are or that
you exist as anything more than an
employee number, a title, and a number
on their salary spreadsheet? You'll
figure it out one day. No one
important at your company knows who
the hell you are or gives a damn.
\_ Everyone important knows who I am.
It's not a large company, of
course. Stop hypothesising
(incorrectly) about the possible
state of my company, or else
continue sounding the fool.
\_ URL, please?
\_ Not quite. The large number of idiots currently in the job
market make it harder for employers to spot the worthwhile
job applicants. Also, many companies are currently under
hiring freezes, which make it more difficult for them to
hire worthwhile people when they *do* identify them.
\_ Kid, I hear the mall is hiring. Try Mrs. Field, they're always
hiring.
\_ And think of all the free cookies you and your friends can
get. Since your friends won't have jobs either, they'll
really appreciate the free cookies.
\_ In Portland all my friends had retail food jobs. Rent was
very low (less than $300) and we never had to buy food
due to our network. Our rent may not be low here, but
remember it pays to make lots of friends and always give
out free things if you can afford it. It will help you
through tougher times. -brain
\_ It's a good summer to do research and take summer school...
\_ I'm hungry. Go make me some fries.
\_ I'm not just making a burger. I'm making your burger.
\_ go work in las vegas.
\_ Those fishing boats up in AK might hire.
\_ Slave labor is always available in good times and bad, yes. |
| 2001/4/27-28 [Industry/Jobs] UID:21120 Activity:high |
4/27 Dot com failure means:
more Asians in CS:
less Asians in CS: ...
more Asians in EE: .
less Whites day trading: .
\_ Number-wise or percentage-wise?
\_ Nothing. Dotcoms have been failing at the same rate since the
beginning. The only difference is that now there's no more easy
money to start a new one. Don't buy the hype. Even in the dotcom
hey day, 9 in 10 never even got close to going public. I hope it
really means the press will go away and let small companies do their
thing without the insane pressure to grow big and public in 6 months
or less so maybe some quality people working on quality ideas can
actually make quality products people with money will want to buy,
while all the content production SF freaks and losers who should've
gone into insurance company middle management will just die and stop
pretending to be VP of <Insert_Fuzzy_Thing_Here>.
\_ Our company had a VP of Customer Satisfaction.
Guess who got downsized first?
\_ the customers?
\_ fewer, you idiot.
\_ fewer, not less you idiot. |
| 2001/4/25 [Industry/Jobs] UID:21099 Activity:high |
4/24 nweaver, you're an FPGA chip kinda guy. What's yer take on PIC
Basic for prototype development vs. Xilinx/Altera solution, in
terms of cost, ease of development, time to demo, debugging
facility, etc?
\_ Don't ask in the motd, send email.
\_ dude, coding a PIC takes infinitely less time than coding
an FPGA. you code your PIC in C or in basic. you get up to 20
IO pins depending on what pick you use. coding an FPGA requires
IO pins depending on what PIC you use. coding an FPGA requires
C. if pin count and speed are not an assue and price is, then
most definitely go for the PIC. -ali
you to write your shit in an HDL which is way lower level than
C. if pin count and speed are not an issue and and development
time price are, then most definitely go for the PIC. -ali |
| 2001/4/16 [Recreation/Computer/Games, Industry/Jobs, Industry/Startup] UID:21001 Activity:nil |
4/16 Games dot com is a luz3r company. Those who joined and stayed till
now, are the stupidest of all. <DEAD>-fuckedcompany.com<DEAD>
\_ That's pretty danged stupid! -redneck |
| 2001/3/20-21 [Industry/Jobs, Computer/SW/Database, Computer/Networking] UID:20861 Activity:low |
3/20 Of all the dot coms and mega corporations, which one do you want
the most with a massive layoff?
M$: ..
Oracle: ...
Intel: .
Cisco: ..
\_ time to claim our scarce land and congested highways!!!
\_ Time to get rid of the worthless newbie Gam3rz and bs
java programmers and 3rd line managers and directors with
one direct report (personal admin).
In the good old days, we build the best routers and
switches in the market with the fastest interfaces and
the most protocol support. Every engineer could rebuild
a basic router from parts and configure at least one ip
routing protocol in IOS and simple VLANs in CatOS.
Now we have a bunch of idiots who can't tell the difference
between L2 and L3 and don't know the difference between
IOS and WinNT. They need to go, NOW! Forget the fact that
they should never have been hired in the first place.
The old cisco culture made us #1 and it is what will save
us.
- disgrunted Cisco oldtimer |
| 2001/3/14-15 [Industry/Jobs, Industry/Startup] UID:20786 Activity:high |
3/14 Who knows anything about Aiken's new startup? Email me. thx. -sameer
\_ Mail Aiken?
\_ I'm looking for the inside story dumbass.
\_ Duh. And who better than Aiken to give it to you?
\_ Some dumbass deleted my post. Are you asking about Digital
Integrity or a different startup?
\_ is this similar to MOSS?
\_ If this is referring to Digital Integrity, then yes.
\_ Widom is hot. |
| 2001/3/5 [Industry/Jobs] UID:20720 Activity:nil |
3/5 Do you want to have fun, technical experience, and flexible hours?
Residential Computing is hiring for the System Administrator position!!!
Applications due March 14, 2001, 12 noon.
For more info: http://www.rescomp.berkeley.edu/hiring
\_ how many options do I get? |
| 2001/2/25-26 [Industry/Jobs] UID:20683 Activity:high 85%like:20681 |
2/24 ok, so I'm thiknig of buying a new penis, since apparently
honda decided that civic hatchbacks are not hip and sexy and
discotinued them in '97. anyone got any bad/good experience?
hamster \_ You are buying a car?!? Oh the horror! Oh the humanity!
Don't you care about our precious pale blue dot and its
environment? If you buy a car, it will need gas. This is
just the excuse that Dumbya Bush needs to install Oil Wells
in Alaska and off the coast of California.
Just because I lost is no reason to give up the fight!
- Al Gore (Join Team Gore 2k4: The committee to retake
the White House by Any Means Necessary)
hamster \_ Experience? No. But imagine what you'll look like when your
little golf gets smacked by something 4 times bigger like a
CSUAer on a bike with linux loaded laptop in hand....
\_ OSuX! OSuX! 1T'5 A11 A80U+ OSuX D00D! K3WL AKWUA & 5H1T!
\_ 5UV! 5UV! 1T'5 A11 A80U+ 5UV D00D! GA5 GU55L3R & 5H1T!
hamster \_ R1D3 B1K3! RUN GN00/L1N5UX! D00D! - 3133T H@X0R
\_ Experience? No. But imagine what you'll look like when your
little golf gets smacked by something 4 times bigger like a
CSUAer on a bike with linux loaded laptop in hand....
\_ OSuX! OSuX! 1T'5 A11 A80U+ OSuX D00D! K3WL AKWUA & 5H1T!
\_ 5UV! 5UV! 1T'5 A11 A80U+ 5UV D00D! GA5 GU55L3R & 5H1T!
\_ R1D3 B1K3! RUN GN00/L1N5UX! D00D! - 3133T H@X0R
\_ You probably be wanting one of these for your Golf:
http://collegehumor.com/pictures/tailpipe.html |
| 2001/2/6 [Industry/Jobs] UID:20507 Activity:nil |
2/5 So what are the latest numbers for UCB CS/EECS B.S. and M.S.
starting salaries in Silicon Valley? Is there a UCB site
which says this?
\_ http://salary.com
\_ wether salary dot com is reight on software engineers, i don't
know, but i do know its off bey tens of thousands of dollars
on serveral things i am familiar with. I think they just make
up some of their numbers.
\_ software engineer I, San Jose 50% median == $58k?
does this seem right?
\_ straight out of college, yah it does, esp if there's no
prior experience outside of coursework and you're not
graduating from a toptier engineering school. --chris
\_ The career center has it.
\_ where on http://career.berkeley.edu is it? |
| 2001/2/1-2 [Computer/SW/Database, Industry/Jobs] UID:20486 Activity:low |
1/31 What job search sites do people use and have found useful?
Thanks.
\_ I heard http://www.dice.com is pretty good for hi-tech jobs.
\_ I put my resume on dice, and the only responses I got were from
(annoying) recruiters.
\_ http://hotjobs.com does not allow 3rd party agencies to have access
to their resume database and do not allow 3rd party
agency to post jobs. therefore, I recommend posting there.
however, http://monster.com has the most amount of hits, and their
search engines (the ones that companies pay to search the
resume database with) are much better than hotjobs's. also
good to check out are http://brassring.com, http://headhunter.net (despite
its name, it is actually one of the top 5 largest job
boards), and http://craigslist.org. http://dice.com, which is trying to
diversify its resume database, is still mostly
contractor-heavy...and attracts a lot of 3rd party agency
recruiters. --chris
\_ I posted hotjobs and dice recently. I got a *lot* of calls and
emails, about 1/2 were recruiters. Just don't call them back.
They usually go away after being ignored the first time. If they
don't mention a specific job at a specific company, then they don't
have a job for you. Also, since recruiters are getting 20% to 30%
of your start salary as their pay for emailing your resume in, you
can get a better deal if you can get hired direct without going
through an agency. Companies *do* calculate the recruiter cost in
when figuring out how much you cost. Why carry a big fat monkey on
your back when you can stride across the finish line in style on
your own?
\_ Found my current job (which I love) on http://monster.com. |
| 2001/1/26-28 [Industry/Jobs, Health/Sleeping] UID:20444 Activity:high |
1/26 What fantasy books are you guys reading these days? I've went thru
Tolkein and Robert Jordan's Wheel of Time series and looking for more.
\_ Philip Pullman, CS Lewis if you don't mind xtian mythos.
Brust, Dave Duncan, S. King's Gunslinger books, AS Byatt.
\_ I liked the Dragonlance world, especially the books about Raistlin.
\_ I got depressed and re-read all the Wizard Of Earthsea
books, it cheered me up, they are pretty short and it
would probably only take you a few days.
\_ I read Playboy. Quite a fantasy away from my marriage that I
can't get out of.
\_ http://www.worldcon.org/hy.html
\_ http://www.hitmen.org
\_ Actually, David Edding's series is very good. Check it out.
\_ It's good for exactly one read. Do not under any circumstances
reread this series, or you will lose your respect for Eddings
(let alone because he keeps retelling the same story over and
over again from a slightly different perspective... a sure sign
of someone who's run out of ideas... like Orson Scott Card)
\_ The Feynman Lectures on Physics. The author's narrative
is captivating throughout the entire trilogy, AND IT ISN'T
ALL MADE UP. When will you people grow up, D&D is for kids.
\_ grumpy!
\_ I shall lop off your tongue with my +5 Vorpal Sword!
\_ Is it just me or do most people's FANTASY NOT INVOLVE
Physics? The guy asked for fantasy books and most of
the people above gave relevant answer. Yes fantasy books
are a waste of time but THAT'S THE POINT. Keep your
pedagogue to yourself. The rest of us know where to
look when we feel like using our brains.
\_ my main reason for reading fantasy and watching cartoons
is to stop the goddamn phsics /math dreams. when
you wake up after 7 hours and all you can remember of
your sleep is hour after hour of equations and seeing
graphs of fundctions that you *almost* know how to integrate,
but can't wquite find an anyalytical expression because
you're fucking sleeping, it just doesn't feel like you really
dreamt. i think feynman's books are overreated anyway.
robert asprin kicks ass.
-physics grad student
\_ Fantasy shmantasy. David Drake's Hammer's Slammers is what you
need to brighten up your dull dreary day. Several books worth of
testosterone driven blood 'n' guts, boy!
\_ Tolkien was great, but nothing beats wuxia novels, if you can
read Chinese. It was worse than opium.
read Chinese. It was more addictive than opium.
\_ Hammer's Slammers. David Drake. No weird shit, just raw blood n
guts. Simple, straight forward, no science-as-magic ringworld crap.
Try it, you'll like it. Remove your fantasy straight jacket. Be
free! |
| 2001/1/16-17 [Reference/BayArea, Industry/Jobs] UID:20334 Activity:very high |
1/15 Anyone know who is hiring in SF ??
\_ Castro Street Brothels.
\_ Five Finger Discounts on Castro St.
\_ http://www.epicentric.com (/csua/pub/jobs/Epicentric)
\_ *EVERYONE* in SF is hiring. Go do a jobs search, sheesh.
http://dice.com, http://hotjobs.com, http://bajobs.com, http://monster.com, etc. C'mon, put
the tiniest effort into it.
http://dice.com, http://hotjobs.com, http://bajobs.com, http://monster.com, http://fuckedcompany.com,
etc. C'mon, put the tiniest effort into it.
\_ no, i'm a fucking lazy whore. pimp for me.
\_ If you're fucking, then obviously you're not a lazy whore.
\_ McDonald's
\_ McDonalds? Never heard of them.
\_ What, you do not know the company that makes iMacs?
\_ ... and eMacs too. -- yuen
\_ They also make airplanes. |
| 2001/1/15-16 [Industry/Jobs] UID:20316 Activity:low |
1/14 I am looking for a part time programming job, preferably east bay.
Thing is, almost all places want only full time. Is anyone
here working at a company that is hiring for part time?
\_ part-times generally isn't a good investment for companies.
you should look for contract work, or consider self-employment.
Why do you want to work part time anyway?
\_ I want to work part time so I can accomodate going to
school. Contract work would be just as good. I used to
find contract work on ucb.cs.jobs, but haven't seen any
lately. I have looked on some of the job/career sites
too, like guru. Ideas for other places to look?
\_ Most high-tech companies only offer part-time jobs of the sort
you want to interns or existing employees who want to switch from
full to half time.
\_ If you're really good at something in particular, than a company
is more willing to hire you part time for a well-defined
task. |
| 2001/1/10-11 [Industry/Jobs] UID:20288 Activity:high |
1/9 I've been out of school working as a programmer for 3.5 years. I
now have an opportunity to go from being a regular programmer to a
technical lead and eventually a manager. I know a few people who have
done this and regretted their choice, and my instincts tell me to
avoid it even though I think I'd be good at it, since it would
involve longer hours and more responsibilites and I'm pretty happy
just coding. But there is the temptation of "getting promoted" and
making more dough. Any advice? Also, how much more money can I
expect to make as a manager?
\_ "technical lead" good. "manager" bad.
If you're at a company where the only way you can get a
raise is to become a "manager", time to change companies.
\_ no, I'm getting pretty good raises just being a coder,
I'm just wondering if being a lead/manager will bump
my salary up significantly faster, and if I'd get
more bonuses and options.
\_ I got a 20% raise and 25% more options when I
became Lead Sysadmin. YMMV.
\_ the original poster has a real job. you don't.
But DO bring up this issue to them first. In rare occasions,
companies can be convinced to see the light.
\_ Depends. You will hardly ever see those $300K+ salaries
without going into management at some point if that's
important to you. --dim
\_ if there's one thing I wish there were more in this
consulting and systems integration world that I am
currently involved in, it'd be managers who have technical
(coding) backgrounds. You would not believe how many
friggin' managers out there who love to pull things out
of their asses without actually understanding the real
problem. Your choice to become a "technical lead" is
to be commended, presuming you've done a lot of coding,
have good technical knowledge and are a people person;
granted you won't be doing a lot of coding in this new
position, but chances are you will be involved in helping
the junior guys (i.e. the programmers who work for you)
with concepts, designs, sometimes even debugging etc. In
another word, you will be shifting more of the grunt work
to someone else so you can concentrate on managing the
tasks you're overseeing. Those who regretted it are usually
folks who got stuck being a lead of something (a component,
a project, etc.) that they don't like, things that are not
relevant to their field of expertise; which often involves
going to numerous meetings, face time with (idiot) managers
and other things that they're totally overqualified for.
These ppl will most likely miss being a regular Joe Program-
mer. Salary-wise? You'll probably get a bit more than
the top programmer in your company because, presumably,
you're a step above your top programmer (and he/she works
for you). Is it worth it? You'll be the judge.
- someone who's been there done that.
\_ There is also the problem of managers who DO know stuff
and micromanage the minor things.
\_ If you're making good money as a coder, you should not think about
the money involved with management. As a tech lead or manager,
you'll be expected to put in extra hours, attend stupid, ineffectual
meetings, deal with office politics on a grander scale, determine
budgets, keep your group fat and happy, hire and fire folks, support
the pathetic, guide the senseless, and fight losing battles. The
perks are there. You can climb the corporate ladder and get nice
bennies from vendors, customers, and the company. The question is
do you really want to work that hard? How much more important is
your career than your non-job life? That will tell you how far
you can climb.
\_ You may find the daily grind of coding for "some other idiot"
gets you down after a few years and decide you can do better.
Thus if you'd like to be that "other idiot" giving orders
instead of taking them, then go for it. If you're a happy
hacker you may not like being manager. Really depends on where
you are in life. If more than just the money is interesting to
you, then give it a try. You might be sorry a year from now
that you're still hacking when you could've been managing and
missed the opportunity.
\_ As manager, prepare for more bullshit and meetings and people-
skills, and constant crap pushed down from above, and crap coming
up from below, with you in the middle & paperwork up the butt.
At least until you get higher up the ladder, if ever. |
| 2000/12/27-28 [Industry/Jobs] UID:20183 Activity:very high |
12/27 "Sometimes part of the problem is that a lot of the traditional
straight-out-of-school IT people you see are young and aggressive,
but they aren't seasoned. They aren't really mature."
- Tom Ferrara, link:CareerEngine.com
\_ what the hell does that mean? seasoned? like a ham?
and where do you go to "school for IT"? DeVry? go away.
\_ http://www.cnn.com/2000/CAREER/trends/12/26/itking
\_ has more to do with grads not having job skills (notably any
sense of professionalism). IT is worst case because they quickly
are in position of power, unlike plain office job.
\_ has more to do with grads not having job skills (notably any
sense of professionalism). IT is worst case because they quickly
are in position of power, unlike plain office job.
\- i wonder to what extent some "mature" people in the "old days"
were just afraid to be the nail that stuck up for fear of losing
their jobs/bad reviews ... when they had a wife and kids to support.
while a lot more poeple today are in the "what are you going to do,
fore me?" position. --psb
\_ how astute. Here's an extension of the comments made:
"Sometimes part of the problem is that a lot of the
traditional straight-out-of-school IT people you see are young
and aggressive, but they aren't seasoned. They aren't really
mature. So they're the ones you risk losing a lot more than a
40-year-old."
\- well i think the comments are one sided ... fine they arent
seasoned and mature ... but if that is all they were, then you
could risk losing them. the phenomena above occurs when you have
to pick between the annoying dweeb who works from home and week-
ends and read linux journal in his spare time vs. the guy who
goes along to get along but is out of the office at 5pm and
doesnt look back, often has to leave to pick up his kids, takes
long vacations, hangs out with other employees at the watercooler
talking about their kid's school play instead of reading comp.*.
this is basically the same problem with women who complan about
the "young male culture" of silicon valley. gee, if you were a
stockholder, would you want a fleet of nattily dressed hipsters
or guys with no lives that hacked around the clock? --psb
\_ you meant to say: "family-oriented 9-to-5ers vs.
techie hipsters with no lives who hacked around the clock"
\_ The phrase "straw man" comes to mind. |
| 2000/12/19 [Industry/Jobs] UID:20131 Activity:nil |
12/18 B2Bi company has top level job openings! Current needs include
Senior Buzzword Generator and Senior Buzzword Valiation Engineer.
3+ years dotcom experience, an english degree or an avid dilbert
reader preferred but all experience levels welcome to apply!
<DEAD>www.b2bi.buzzwords.com/jobs/bullshit.html<DEAD> for details. -geek
\_ Also openings for the right Senior Buzzword Integration
Architect and Designer
\_ wtf you are trying to say?! Are you an English major got
rejected by those dotcom companies? |
| 2000/12/18 [Industry/Jobs, Uncategorized/Profanity] UID:20122 Activity:nil |
12/17 The vast majority of those stupid dot com companies are ones
that don't do jack shit. Is WebObjects or OpenWave soon to be
on the chopping blocks?
http://www.fuckedupcompany.com |
| 2000/12/17-18 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA, Industry/Jobs] UID:20108 Activity:high |
15:58 /csua/pub/jobs/webMethods2. Come work at the rapidly expanding
company where CSUA h0zers such as smurf,mel,oj,boyd,eric,dstein
and van already work. -eric
\_ So what do you guys actually DO?
\_ Buzzword generation. B2Bi was good. Nominations for other
http://www.webmethods.com/company/executives_board/0,1323,,00.html
top choices?
\_ what locations?
\_ No Berkeley folk involved in running this company.
http://www.webmethods.com/company/executives_board/0,1323,,00.html
\_ VP Marketing Development and VP Product Development went to Cal.
\_ Doesn't say they got degrees. Just hung out and got stoned.
\_ Release architect = build engineer. Basically you do installers
and makefiles and/or other scripted stuff to build their
products. Pretty mundane (unexciting) work so it should pay
you well. At least $80k/yr for a couple yrs experience or
you're being taken advantage.
\_ Yes. Exactly. So my point is that why didn't they just call it
Build engineer or release manager or something. Architect?
\_ Does this person have to do bad-*ss source version countrol as well,
or is it just limited version release control?
\_ Typically this sort of job involves the whole thing. What
you describe as "limited" is nothing more than running an
rdist or rsync with the right parameters once or twice a
week.
\_ Indeed. |
| 2000/12/8 [Industry/Jobs] UID:20038 Activity:high |
12/7 God I hate doing sustaining work. --disgruntled employee
\_ ehhh...Are you not CS major? If you are, why are you doing
sustaining work?
\_ I am CS. Someone's gotta fix the bugs.
I just hate fixing other people's product bugs.
\_ 'sustaining work' is for gimps. Are you intelligent?
If so, get yourself some real core work, or quit and get
core work at a different company.
\_ yet another reason why it's hard to keep engineers happy. You
jump up and down on new projects and new technology, but you fail
to understand the big picture. The big picture is: WHERE IS THE
MONEY? Cool projects are meaningless if it doesn't make any money.
"Sustaining work" is what makes a good product better and it is
what rakes in the big bucks. -management
\_ Yeah money in your pocket, just how much you pay a sustaining
guy?
\_ I get 80k/y. Doesn't seem worth it... --disgruntled
\_ It's not. I repeat my question. Are you smart? If so,
what are you doing wasting your life in gimp work. If
not, well, this kind of work is what you were born to do.
\_ 80k/yr is fine for someone one year out of college.
Maybe he is just earning his stripes.
\_ What is the cash value of the lost
skill development and contentedness incurred
by being a gimp?
\_ yeah, keep doing that at a startup... see how far that gets.
no real value add == death to company.
\_ If you don't like it, don't do it. It's as simple as that.
I happen to enjoy terrorizing wimpy developers by finding tons
of bugs in their crappy work, and making them swallow them.
Unfortunately, that sometimes involves development work -
building load tools to crash their lousy code. |
| 2000/11/28-29 [Industry/Jobs, Industry/Startup] UID:19935 Activity:insanely high |
11/28 Is it better career-wise to have an inflated title (Senior Architect)
at a company full of unqualified idiots or a regular title (Java
Engineer) at a company that knows what it's doing?
\_ My mom was called a Analyst by the Gov. for 13 years. She
wrote the AI's that help fighter planes takeoff and land
from carriers and that make sure the shuttle's booster tanks
are functioning correctly.
In the long run, if you know your stuff, it doesn't matter
that you are called a Analyst or a NOCMonkey.
\_ "Java Engineer". I've got to add that to my list of oxymorons.
\_ I dunno. Would you be more impressed by a Member of Technical
Staff from Bell Labs or a Senior VP from http://dogfood.com? Different
people will answer that question differently. Which one do
you want to be?
\_ how about "programmer" at Bell Labs? You know that's
Kernigan and Pikes designation.
\_ how does Member of Technical Staff compare with Senior
Software Engineer?
\_ "manager". "director". And prefix with "senior" to make
it a total of 4 more.
\_ Well at sun MTS is lower than SSE, so I'd rather be
SSE. - MTS at sun
\_ Senior Architect isn't a very high ranking title.
\_ What tech titles are above that besides VP Eng and CTO?
\_ Depends on the size of the company. I was offered a job
as a chief architect in a startup and I would have reported
directly to the CEO had I accepted their offer.
[moved. -motd continuity god]
\_ "manager". "director". And prefix with "senior" to make
it a total of 4 more.
\_ Plus "lead". Though it depends on whether you want
to and are good at managing people. If you want to
build things, stay away from management. If your
skills are getting rusty or you are ambitious, go
for the manager title. There are also the extremely
rare posistions like Sun Fellow, which allow you
to do whatever you want.
\_ Cisco had Distinguished Engineers and Fellows,
which bascially ment you did what you wanted.
One fellow was also PostMaster for a time. I
think that Tony Li was a fellow also. Now being
known as Mr. BGP, that's a good title. I'd like
to be known as Mr. <Major Internet Protocol Here>.
\_ Mr. ICMP Echo Request. Mr Ping to his friends.
\_ career-wise: inflated title, no question.
This is based on assuptions derived from the fact that you
are asking this question in the first place.
Impress people who actually matter: the second one.
\_ whatever pays more and as long as you feel justified in what
you are doing to earn that title, then be happy, if you feel your
title is too low to reflect your importance, then leave or ask for
higher position. (or more money to compensate - but money never really
does)
\_ are you inSANE???? tell me that $200K a year wouldnt compensate
for having "NOCmonkey" on your business card.
"never" should almost never be used.
\_ there can still be emptiness felt, even the richest people feel
empty at what they are doing..
\_ Yeah, but in 5 years, they can AFFORD to do something
"meaningful, yet penniless"
\_ I don't. -Rich&Full
\_ maybe for now, but in a few years.. you'll want something
more... everything we do is chewing bubblegum.. the flavor
runs out.. hopefully not before we die.
\_ Maybe you're sitting on your ass, patting your head,
rubbing your stomach, chewing gum, and watching the
market tank. I'm enjoying life. -R&F
\_ which for you apparently involves getting in silly
discussions on the motd. wow.
\_ Gosh, I guess. And for you involves getting in
silly discussions on the motd from _work_? I do
what I want, went I want, how I want, report to
nobody and answer for nothing. Your pointed
comments are damaging to my poor self esteem.
Please stop before I hurt myself or something. |
| 2000/11/22 [Computer/SW/Languages/Java, Industry/Jobs] UID:19884 Activity:high |
11/21 What's the slaray and options range for a Java Developer nowadays?
BS/EECS with 2+ years of experience, mostly not Java tho.
\_ http://www.salary.com
\_ $83k
\_ I'd swear <DEAD>salay.com<DEAD> is run by some company trying to get people
hired for peanuts. I think their figures are bogus. I believe
they're the ones that take a countrywide average and then add
some unknown figure for location. It's all voodoo.
\_ 80K - 100K. |
| 2000/10/17-18 [Industry/Jobs] UID:19510 Activity:insanely high |
10/17 So I was sitting in a cafe doing some homework and I overheard
two people discussing disciplinary action against this 14-year-old
Cal student who was "hacking" something on a campus library
computer. Mentioned was the fact that
a) no malicious intent was involved, "he just wanted to use his
own OS"
b) the dragonfly OS was installed,
but I couldn't find any info on what this could mean. These weren't
technical people, so they might have mistaken OS for application
These people were to decide what punishment was fair for this kid,
and they had no clue as to what actually happened. Does anybody
else know any details? Who is this kid? What did he actually do?
\_ He should be expelled and charged damages.
\_ Why are two non-techincal persons making decision on something
involving technical issues?
\_ because Congress has taught them that's the way things
are done in this country.
\_ It isn't a technical issue. This is an administrative
punishment issue. If you punched someone out on campus,
it wouldn't be a boxing/sports issue. Stop being an
elitist nerd.
\_ Except that if you don't know what "punching" is but
only learn from the book of regulations that "punching"
is prohibited and someone committed it, you won't be
able to decide on fair puhishment.
\_ I've never been a professional boxer. I know what
punching is. I've never been a professional sys
admin but I know what violating system security and
replacing the installed software is. The details of
the crime are not important. What is important is
that this moron did something wrong and must have
understood in advance that this was a Bad Thing.
He had intent. He didn't accidentally replace the
system software. Time to go back to HS or JC for
a few years and learn to grow up and then try a
real school again where other students don't have
time to sit down at a fucked up terminal this idiot
broke. Try hacking your corporate network, see how
*that* gets handled. Expect to lose your job and
get sued for damages far beyond your ability to pay. |
| 2000/10/13 [Academia/GradSchool, Industry/Jobs] UID:19468 Activity:nil |
10.13 http://www.rackspace.com/goconfigure/recommended/server_freebsd.php \_ Why post this? I wouldn't recommend rackspace as a colo --oj |
| 2000/9/18-19 [Industry/Jobs] UID:19272 Activity:very high |
9/17 Does anyone carry more than one job? I'm looking for something
extra (income, learning, exp) on the weekends. Wonder if anyone
has ever done it.
\_ I did it while I was at Cal. I worked to part time jobs.
They money was great (I was making ~ $25 / hr with both
combined, yes its not much these days, but this was in
early 90's), but balancing work and studying was hard.
I ultimately quit one of them (my boss was a jerk).
My advice (if you are a undergrad) is to just study hard,
and maybe work part-time; don't pull this two job stunt
and short-change your future.
\_ Yes. I had 3 over the summer. It was painful - paolo
Now i just have 2.
\_ How do you find the 2nd job? I assume you don't
carry 2 full-time jobs...
\_ 1 is 8 hrs/week, the other is 16 hrs/week. the 2nd
job found me. email me for details.
\_ sign you post twink.
\_ I had two jobs last year, one $15/hr as a sys admin at lbnl,
and one making $150/hr on weekends as a dancer. I learned a
lot more from the first one, but the second was a lot of fun.
\_ so do you swing?
\_ Lots of people do. I have one full-time job and then a parttime
one on campus (weekend and evenings). Learn a lot, have fun
and getting paid for it. |
| 2000/9/7-8 [Industry/Jobs] UID:19195 Activity:moderate |
9/6 How accurate do you think are the results at http://salary.com? \_ Take all numbers with grain of salt and then add at least 20% for living here, their data being old, and job title inflation. Add even more if you're senior level or walk on water or have above average buzzword compliance. \_ the curves are right, the salaries aren't. Add 20-30% to the salaries there. \_ Depends on the positions. Some of the numbers are rather high.. $90k for someone with 2 years experience writing web applications in perl and java? Add 20% to that? \_ Maybe. Depends on the job specifics and how desperate they are. To reiterate something that's been covered on the motd many times before: you're worth whatever you can get from someone. If a 2 year guy can get $150k and a 10 year guy can only get $45k, the 2 year guy is worth more. It all depends on how well you negotiate and how desperate they are. There's no such thing as "working your way up" or "time served". -been there, there now \_ There is such a thing as the "perception" of working your way up and time served. Notice that this fact does not contradict the previous post. If you're an honest person who knows their stuff and get paid/ respect based on your integrity, prior experience, and gratitude, "that's wonderful". However, you can also get a lame salary under various circumstances, and, "that is sad". And then there are people who get a great wage and nice working conditions, who suck. Naturally, most people want to kick the crap out of them. \_ I'd agree with that. -previous poster |
| 2000/9/7-8 [Industry/Jobs, Computer/SW/Languages] UID:19192 Activity:high |
9/6 Work for a Big 5 company (Business Services/ Consulting) and just
got a raise to $55K, as a Senior Computer Consultant. Is this low?
Been with the firm 2 years.
\_ Does your job involve programming? a 3yr programmer get $80/yr.
\_ Nope, auditing the computer controls at companies.
\_ I just started fresh-out-of-cal, $62k/yr not including bonus +
benefits and that's still considered low by my own peers. Then
again, I'm in a different line of business than you are which
could explain it (no, not sysadmin).
\_ Where are you located?
\_ $55K senior must mean poster is in Ohio or somewhere like that
\_ Actually it's the SF office :(
\_ bit low. i was bringing in consultants from Cal (and stanfurd
sometimes) at the big 5 beginning at around 65k. managers and
senior managers were making 120-180k. senior consultants were
in the 80k-100k range. this was at a big 5 within eBusiness
consulting. -uctt
\_ If you have no tech skills and you're making over 30k, you're
overpaid.
\_ Get a clue.
\_ "Duh, I iz a jeanyus! I kan post 'get uh kloo'" You are
an idiot and a waste of bits.
\_ Looks low to me, esp after 2 yrs. I work in tech support, work
40 hrs a week and make 68K. A friend of mine is a consultant
(non-technical) with a Big 5 company and he makes 75K after 3
years there. It's time to test the waters out there for more $.
\_ I think the 75k at 3 years is low if he's in this area and
not Arkansas. |
| 2000/8/31 [Industry/Jobs] UID:19144 Activity:nil 56%like:19092 |
8/31 Still hiring at http://Phone.com /usr/local/csua/pub/jobs/Phone.com/ for more info. hiring new grads, too. |
| 2000/8/4-6 [Industry/Jobs] UID:18886 Activity:low |
8/4 Is it more common to have 1 year salary reviews or 6 month
salary reviews?
\_ 1 year
\_ The trend is for more frequent reviews, however.
Can't exactly have all your employees thinking the only
way they can get a raise is to say you're going to leave.
\_ 1 year is more common in general. 6 months for .com's.
\_ It's common to get whatever you negotiate for. There is no
"industry standard" for anything. Anyone who talks to you about
what the "industry standard" is, is either lying or stupid. There
is no source of information for any of this stuff for reviews,
salaries, option packages, etc, etc, etc. |
| 2000/8/4-6 [Industry/Jobs] UID:18885 Activity:moderate |
8/4 What's the average yearly raise (without jumping ship)?
0-2%? 2-4%? 4-6%? 6-8%? 8-10%? > 10?
\_ When I jump I get 15-35%. When I don't jump, I get 8% and they
always cry and high pressure beg me to stay but never come up with
more bucks. "My offer at this other company is $X" and the current
place just turns pale and then asks if there's anything else they
can do to keep me. Uh huh. "WHERE'S THE MONEY, HONEY!?"
\_ > 10%
\_ My first year, got a measly 5%. Then in this year alone, got
20% raise *twice*
\_ why? Got promoted? Thought you were leaving?
\_ first was a level promotion (doesn't mean that much except
i get paid more), and second was an adjustment to keep
pace with dotcoms.
\_ Now this is a company that you can stay with. what's
the name? =)
\_ Did you get the two 20% raises as counter-offers when you
were thinking about jumping ship, or did you get the
raises even though you were not considering leaving?
\_ HP. They were afraid I was going to leave even though
I had given no indication (I'm happy here). It's cuz
so many other people have left.
\_ When I was at Cisco, they told me salaries were going up
17% a year. That includes people jumping ship. You make your own
estimates (I'm guessing 10% if you stay, 25% if you jump around).
\_ 40% first year, 100% second year, 25% third year.
\_ You must have started with dirt. $20k * 1.4 = $24k.
$24k x 2 = $48k. $48k * 1.25 = $60k. Hmmm... so your
first two raises *tripled* your initial salary?? It
_must_ the case that you were getting nothing and now have
an almost FMV salary _or_ that you're now getting paid an
outrageously high salary. Is there something else going
on? Is this a startup where you're employee #2 and own
10% of the company?
\_ You people are nuts. Find somewhere to work that you _like_, and
that pays you enough that you don't worry about it. If it really
bothers you whether you're getting paid _enough_ or _as much as
everyone else_ you've got issues.
\_ Yes, this is a nice fantasy. Living in the bay area with sky
rocketing housing and other costs, there's no such thing as
"paid enough that you don't worry about it". And if I'm working
my ass off for half the pay the slacker next to me is getting,
then my issue is that I'm getting fucked. You must be working
in academia or <DEAD>Dilbert_Corp.com<DEAD>.
\_ Part of my definition of "someplace I like" is that I'm not
working next to slacker idiots who get paid as much as me.
And I'm not working my ass off... I'm not slacking, but I'm
not killing myself, and the company doesn't ask me to.
Could I get paid more? Probably. Can I afford a house in
SV? Not yet. This doesn't mean "fuck loyalty, fuck
happiness, gotta job-hop till I hit the jackpot" though.
I know so many people doing this, because they take as given
that their job is the negative, the money from it is the
positive, and what they do with the money will make up for
all of their work-related unhappiness. Sounds needlessly
complicated to me. Find a job, be happy. If you need more
money, yeah, sure, that's a factor. But just job-hopping
because of some vague sense of self-worth, or because some
job website (or, dear god, the motd) told you "you aren't
making enough" is idiotic.
\_ If I don't get paid as much as everyone else then
I think I'm getting stiffed and any like I may have had
turns into hate. |
| 2000/8/4-5 [Industry/Jobs, Computer/SW/Compilers] UID:18878 Activity:moderate |
8/5-1 When people talk about flex dollars (for insurance and stuff)
they always say to use it or lose it. What does this mean?
I thought you could always elect to have the leftover money
go towards your salary or 401(k) contributions.
\_ Then you weren't paying attention, were you?
\_ I get leftover monies in a lump-sum around mid-year.
You can look at this as them "secretly" giving you a higher
salary, and having to pay for your own benefits. (tax-
advantaged, and at group rates)
\_ Most places if you don't use the leftover money it goes to the
company doing the flex plan. However, most places also let
you spend money you haven't put in yet (at least for medical)
so it's possible to spend money you haven't put in,
leave the company, and not have to pay it. |
| 2000/7/31 [Industry/Jobs] UID:18825 Activity:nil |
7/30 "Trevor J. Buckingham
Professional Badass"
\_ "I am sorry that my industry-related internships are more
prestigious than yours. I am sorry that I know asps, jsps, sql7."
\_ We are sorry too, Trevor.
\_ "Nokia 8890" ... whew. If he'd had a 61xx phone, I would
totally have lost all respect for him.
\_ If we send this to eminem, will he turn it into a song?
\_ What's up will at the hate speech. Is that crap illegal or what?
\_ What hate speech are you talking about? I don't see any
in the posts above.
\_ All speech is legal except for things like yelling "FIRE!"
in a crowded theatre, unless you go to a school in a place
like Berkeley where the only free speech is that which the
local leftist powers that be deem so.
\_ Also, speech which directly incites violence (also
known as "fighting words") can be illegal.
\_ Goddammit, them's fightin' words. I'm comin'
to fuck your day up! -John
\_ you already did. |
| 2000/7/15-17 [Industry/Jobs] UID:18687 Activity:high |
7/14 I got a $10K raise after 6-months experience. Is this considered
a low and insulting raise nowadays? -- Wondering about salary
\_ go away trollboy
\_ well gee that would depend on what your salary was wouldn't
it now. 10% is considered good.
\_ 10%? The very first 6-months should get you 15-20%
\_ 10% is ridiculously insulting. Good in what industry? You're
an auto mechanic maybe? School teacher?
\_ 10% is a pittance! Do you know what raise Oakland teachers
got this year? 40%!
\_ It's all relative. My 10% increase is half their salary.
\_ I got offered $75k from both northern and southern cal companies.
Some company in Texas (you can guess which one) offered me $110k.
I'm staying in the Bay Area.
\_ This is ridiculous. It has nothing to do with the thread.
You just wanted to say you got an offer. And I bet you spend
your saturday nights watching trashy movies you find on the
internet. You disgust me.
\_ I got 25% after 6 months, another 13% after the second 6. |
| 2000/7/14-17 [Industry/Jobs] UID:18680 Activity:high |
7/14 Could someone give me a salary estimate for an entry level java
programmer...say in northern vs. southern california?
\_ easily and with real examples:
karenp (large co in silicon valley: starting : 80K)
\_ 80K for entry_level? what for 4yr+ exp?
\_ hey, how do you "always answer a question literally" dorks
respond to every day greetings like "how are you?" or
"what's up?"
\_ http://www-inst.eecs.berkeley.edu/~karenp
this should show you that LA sucks ass. Well, actually
LA just plains sucks ass no matter what.
\_ Wow, "sucks ass" is still as declasse as the first time I
saw it.
\_ Only sucks asses from LA use "sucks ass".
\_ 50k.
\_ yes
\_ no.
keithyw (small co in shitty LA: starting 54K)
\_ http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~prole/images/keith.jpg
\_ I got offered $75k from both northern and southern cal companies.
Some company in Texas (you can guess which one) offered me $110k.
I'm staying in the Bay Area. I just graduated. So any experience
I have is only school/internship based.
\_ This is ridiculous. It has nothing to do with the thread.
You just wanted to say you got an offer. And I bet you spend
your saturday nights watching trashy movies you find on the
internet. You disgust me.
\_ I like those movies. I like my offers. I also like Star Trek.
\_ If true, all this says is Texans are stupid and so are you for
not taking them up on it. Are you a Texan, too?
\_ No. You couldn't pay me enough to live with Texans.
\_ Perhaps foolish. For the cost-of-living in TX, in 1 year
you could earn/save twice as much as if you lived here.
You'd save enough for a downpayment on a house in the BA.
\_ For some people working 25% more to make 50% more is
worth it. For some people it isn't.
\_ really depends on where you work. Shitty big companies where
half the people get away with doing nothing will pay you more.
Small interesting companies where you have to pull your weight
will pay you less. Yah life isn't fair. The question is,
are you a whore?
\_ Big companies don't necessarily pay more than small co's.
Interview, collect offers, see what happens. Do the math.
\_ No, but what I mean is that it does happen that way.
I do not mean to say that all big companies always pay more.
\_ how can you have ment to say something when you weren't the
person who wrote this in the frist place?
\_ From my experience and experience of my friends who are
also fresh grads, startups generally pay MORE than
big companies (in terms of salary and number of options).
Big companies oftentimes give better relocation or
starting bonuses, and they claim that their options are
more likely to be worth something.
\_ I have been on both sides of the world. Good big companies
aren't budging if you ask for LOTS of money plus stocks,
and of course all the other perks that come with it. Small
companies (that have no VC funding) may not as much mone-
tary power but MAY offer potentials once they go public,
when they debut their product(s) or when they get bought
out. Your mileage however may vary, so check all the facts
before taking an offer from a small company. In my exp.
however, I get paid better at a small startup, but of
course I have to work 2-3 times harder than at big firm. |
| 2000/6/23-26 [Industry/Jobs] UID:18532 Activity:nil |
6/22 Very small (<20 people) startup has job openings. Refer to
http://www.viralon.com/Employment.html for more information.
\_ Sounds like a spam company. And isn't the CEO the guy who totally
flubbed taking advantage of the default homepage in the browser
when working at Netscape? |
| 2000/6/15 [Academia/GradSchool, Industry/Jobs] UID:18472 Activity:very high |
6/14 Graduated from Cal this year, interested in being a professional
TA/lecturer (teaching 61x, 9x, etc). Is that a possibility, or do
I have to be a real grad student?
\_ Ask bh, he would know better than anyone on soda. You'ld have to
be a lecturer though, TA pay is shit. (Like $3,000/year or so.)
\_ You are wrong. If you work TA full time, the salary is an order
of magnitude larger, circa $30,000. Still ridiculous, but much
less so than your $3,000 figure.
\_ The $3,000/year figure is definitely from the unclued.
\_ Depends on exactly what you mean
1. Full-time TA after graduating: you can do but they pay the
undergrad rate ($12/hr still?) talk to Clancy
2. Summer lecturer: min requirement is a bachelor's CS degree,
not sure what the pay is. They're usually pretty desperate
for these, talk to bh.
\_ Interesting note: all 3 of 61ABC are going to be taught by
graduating seniors this summer. Sad, but true.
\_ Why would a graduate student like me want to teach in
the summer again? The pay is squat (slightly less than
I earn as a GSR), the hours are long (10+ hour days easily)
and I'm no longer being paid/have time to work on
my research? -nweaver
\_ Well obviously you wouldn't. Maybe for the love of
teaching or some such crap. Why would a graduating
senior do this instead of interning at their company?
Maybe they can get 2nd year students to TA for the first
year students.
3. Full-time lecturer (like bh/Clancy): I forget the requirements,
but they recently (within a year) interviewed 4 folks for an
available spot so it's unlikely anything is open. -bz
\_ Clancy has MSCS, bh has a PhD in Education
\_ Clancy only had a BS/Math the last time I checked, and
definitely only a BS when he was hired.
\_ Clancy was a PhD student who completed everything
but his dissertation. I don't remember where, or
what program though. This may have influenced his
being hired.
\_ Stanfurd. They hired him anyway. |
| 2000/6/14 [Computer/SW/Database, Industry/Jobs] UID:18469 Activity:very high |
6/12 \_ uctt, are you a contractor? what do you do?
\_ full time employee at my own startup now. never contracted in my
life. but i did spent some time in big 5 consulting managing
various e-Commerce projects and our team of consultants from big
5 was always much better than the employees in the client company
(that's why they were paying us $275-$350/hr to be there) -uctt
\_ No. They were paying that so management could have someone
to blame when it all falls to shit. No one pays you more
because you're more skilled. They don't have a basis to
judge your skill level.
\_ of course that's a big part of it. we'll take
the blame if it all "falls to shit". it's called
taking RESPONSIBILITY and i'll take the
responsiblity for a project in exchange for the
big bucks that they have to pay us. i've
met morons in consulting. i've met a lot more
morons that work as full time employees for the
client. -uctt
\_ You know why that is, right? The companies
that don't need your expertise don't hire
you. If there's a better staff in house then
likely they'll go with that. Granted,
sometimes management does stupid things
anyway, but I bet this helps explain your
experiences. --dim
\_ Holy cow! I find myself agreeing 100% with
dim. Hell has just frozen over.
\_ I think it's a great idea to hire
consultants when the current staff
is better. What's the matter with
you?!?
\_ Sorry, what was I thinking. I'll
call uctt right away to pay more to
get less.
\_ that's why nearly all of the largest and *best*
companies in the world employs a large number of
consultants. why doesn't sun, cisco, microsoft,
oracle, hp, ibm, etc... all just hire the best
talent and do all of their work in house?
certainly they have the money to hire pepole
right? why do they have consulting companies in
there if the consulting companies easily cost 2x
as much as their normal employees? oh...b/c
you know something that bill gates, john
chambers, scott mcnealy, larry ellison, etc.
doesn't know right? -uctt
\_ Your definition of "best" is what? You mean the
way IBM took a huge fall in the 80s? The way
Sun, Oracle and others needed the DoJ to level
the playing field? The way HP is falling apart?
Or that Cisco had to buy Arrowpoint because they
couldn't build their own load balancing switches?
You're confused. Big != better. The *best*
companies are the ones you've probably never
heard of. You'll know who they are 5 years from
now. These large but not best companies use
consultants because the *best* people wouldn't
work for them at any price. I'd be ashamed to
have IBM or Oracle on my resume. The *best*
people have all left these giant ugly slow beasts
for startups. It's still happening today. Don't
spend too much time convincing yourself how great
you are. The day you meet the people working
for the *best* companies will be the worst day of
your life as your giant ego comes crumbling and
tumbling down and all of IBM's horses and all of
Oracles men won't be able to put it back together
again. The emperor wears no clothes. I know the
exact same thing your top 5 list of CEOs knows:
that their employees suck, they can't hire the
best so they have to pay vampires and leeches to
do it for them and just pass along the costs to
their customers. It's people like you that make
software and hardware so expensive for no real
reason. You're not a value-add. You're a value
minus.
\_ who are you??? Preach it brother! you rock.
- anonymous#1fan
\_ Thanks. Just calling it like I see
it.
\_ Uh ... gee!
\_ so what are the best companies right now
that i haven't heard of but i will hear
about 5 years from now? and why is it that
most of the upper level executives in large
corportations have worked in consulting at
some point in their careers? just name a
few of these companies and we'll continue
the discussion... -uctt
the discussion...but i can tell you right
now that either their executive staff is
made up of former consultants, many of
their developers are former consultants, or
they just don't have enough cash for
outside consultants....YET. all of the
successful companies have used consultants
very heavily and they cannot all be wrong.
-uctt |
| 2000/6/12-14 [Industry/Startup, Industry/Jobs] UID:18450 Activity:high |
6/12 This is prob. been asked many times already, but what is the
standard scale for converting from hourly/contractor to yearly/
employee? Have choice btwn stock option or bonus structure but
I think i will take bonus structure... -sky
\_ Hourly->Yearly is multiply by 2000, but contractor->employee is
much harder.
\_ hourly->yearly is correct. but for contractor->employee i
usually like to do hourly * 1000. so if you're making
$120/hr, that would be $240,000 annual. but if you want to be an
employee, it would give around $120,000 or maybe slightly more.
-uctt
\_ Wow! Are you saying that a company will pay twice as much
to a contractor as opposed to an employee? Why? I do realize
to a contractor as opposed to an employee?
\_ no, he's saying that contractors have to pay more of their
money to the gubmint as taxes
Why? I do realize
that as a contractor you have to pay self-employment
tax, health insurance, retirement benefits, vacation, etc.
When I account for all this it seems to me that contractors
should get about 1.4--1.5 times as much as salaried employees.
How do you come up with your x2 number. Thanks. -emin
\_ yes, they will pay twice as much for a contractor over a
salaried employee. why?
1. usually contractors are better skilled
\_ Hahahahhahahhhahaa.. cough.. gasp... wheeze....
\_ contrary to popular belief, not everyone
(other than you) is stupid. every day
our group is looked at to make sure that
we are adding value to the client's
projects. and every day they realize
that for every one of our guys we do the
work of at least 3 of their employees.
we work longer hours and more
importantly, we're more productive.
that's why they can justify to their
C-levels the amount of money that is
being spent. start your own company
and maybe you'll learn. -uctt
\_ Sounding pretty defensive. I'm sure
each of you is a tremendous value-add
and >insert buzzwords 4 through 16 here<
Yep. You're worth any 10 normal men!
2. you can get them quickly. if you need 2 highly skilled
java EJB developers with 2+ years of java experience,
it will take you at least 2 months to interview 10+
people and find 2 good ones and have them start. with
contractors, you can have 2 in your office in 1-2
weeks.
3. if you only need them for 3-6 months, you can get them
to agree to that. try telling a salaried employee that
"your salary is $120k but you may have to get fired in
3 months cuz we won't need you then".
4. they usually do not give them stock, they usually can
make them work, and they can usually get rid of them
relatively painlessly whenever they want to.
short answer? flexibility. that flexibility is worth
paying 2x. the 2x comes from experience of hiring
contractors, hiring employees, and hiring
contractors->employees. -uctt
\_ uctt, are you a contractor? what do you do?
\_ contract.
\_ No wonder he thinks contractors are more skilled.
\_ full time employee at my own startup now. never contracted in my
life. but i did spent some time in big 5 consulting managing
various e-Commerce projects and our team of consultants from big
5 was always much better than the employees in the client company
(that's why they were paying us $275-$350/hr to be there) -uctt
\_ No. They were paying that so management could have someone
to blame when it all falls to shit. No one pays you more
because you're more skilled. They don't have a basis to
judge your skill level.
\_ of course that's a big part of it. we'll take
the blame if it all "falls to shit". it's called
taking RESPONSIBILITY and i'll take the
responsiblity for a project in exchange for the
big bucks that they have to pay us. i've
met morons in consulting. i've met a lot more
morons that work as full time employees for the
client. -uctt
\_ You know why that is, right? The companies
that don't need your expertise don't hire
you. If there's a better staff in house then
likely they'll go with that. Granted,
sometimes management does stupid things
anyway, but I bet this helps explain your
experiences. --dim
\_ Holy cow! I find myself agreeing 100% with
dim. Hell has just frozen over.
\_ I think it's a great idea to hire
consultants when the current staff
is better. What's the matter with
you?!? |
| 2000/6/5-6 [Industry/Jobs] UID:18418 Activity:insanely high |
6/5 Need advice. I've been working 12hr/day for an entire year thinking
that I'd get more raise+bonus. Today, I got my raise+bonus.
Percentage-wise, it's almost the same as before when I worked 8hr/day.
Is there not a correlation between how much work you put in and
how much reward you get back? -disillusioned
\_ quit
\_ There is a correlation between how much they pay you and
how much they think they can pay you without your quitting
or doing a half-assed job.
\_ Maybe there were not made aware of all your accomplishments?
Or maybe they can only justify max X raise/bonus, having
nothing to do with you. It's not always work more, but what
you accomplish.
\_ "Work Smarter, not Harder!"
\_ "Blow Smarter, not Harder!"
\_ Yes! Agree!
\- if you are willing to walk away, you can always bring
up the fact that you are disatisfied. bluffing on this is
of course risky. --psb
\_ hey psb, wanna play poker?
\_ Obviously, they do not appreciate you. Find a gf who does.
\_ Where'd you get the idea that working so hard would get you anything
but tired and lifeless? You need to work where it'll show and do
nothing the rest of the time. Kids today.... |
| 2000/6/5-8 [Finance, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA, Industry/Jobs] UID:18414 Activity:nil |
4/65 A couple of new IT positions available at NSSB in
/csua/pub/jobs/NikkoSalomonSmithBarney or
http://www.csua.berkeley.edu/~yumin/nssb
Also to answer those of you who asked if an IT person can become a
trader, one IT has become an equity junior trader in June. --yumin
\_ One out of how many? |
| 2000/5/23-26 [Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD, Industry/Jobs] UID:18322 Activity:nil |
5/23 Anyone have experience implementing KAME or any other sort of IPSEC
tunnel on FreeBSD? I'd appreciate it if someone could share their
experience with me. -John |
| 2000/5/10 [Industry/Jobs, Finance/Investment] UID:18224 Activity:nil |
5/10 If anyone is interested in working in Tokyo, there are several
positions available at Nikko Salomon Smith Barney as follows.
* DBA
* Web Based System Developer
* System / Marketing Support - Bond Portfolio Analysis
* Tokyo Fixed Income Application Support
* Asst. Project Manager for Multi-Currency Project
* Control / Data Security Program Controller
* Systems Analyst/Programmer Financial Systems - Treasury
* Programmer / Analyst - Trade Support
* General Accounting Developer
Details are in http://www.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU/~yumin/nssb
\_ Heh.
HARDWARE/SOFTWARE PLATFORMS
* Soralis, AIX, NT, C, JAVA, Perl, etc... |
| 2000/5/10 [Industry/Jobs, Academia/GradSchool] UID:18221 Activity:nil |
10. Lost the application along with the Rose lawfirm records. 9. Just got Chelsae out, why start over? 8. Hillary does not want to have to learn to bake cookies again. 7. Not worth the effort since the kid can't vote until he/she is 18. 6. Was going to but then Buddy came along and ... well... 5. Had enough servants around the Whitehouse. 4. One big baby in the family was enough. 3. All of the spare Whitehouse bedrooms were already rented out. 2. Adoption application includes fingerprints and an FBI background check. 1. Bill kept insisting on a seventeen year old girl. |
| 2000/5/4-5 [Industry/Jobs] UID:18169 Activity:very high |
4/34 My dept is short of people. Is it better to recruit the "perfect"
employee and risk losing development time, or recruit a mediocre
employee whom we will invest a huge amount of time in training?
\_ you won't find the perfect employee..he doesn't exist.
give the underdog a chance.
\_ how about somebody in between?
\_ no offense but if you can't make these judgements, maybe you
shouldn't be the one doing the hiring.
\_ Note that, from the original post, the possibilities that the
\_ We went with an 70% guy (95-100% being a perfect person). Out
poster is actually performing HR duties, or just collecting
was as best as we could do, and we don't even have an HR person
information, are almost identical.
\_ We went with a 70% guy (95-100% being a perfect person). Out
of 30 resumes, we phone screened 10 and interviewed 4. 70%
\_ Are you sure they're 40%, and not 40.95327%????
was the best we could do, and we don't even have an HR person
and ran out of personal contacts. Two people were 45% and one
was 55% but had already taken another offer. Everyone else
was 40% or below.
\_ How the hell can you determine one to be a 45, another 55, 70?
\_ Breast size
\_ Taos "Clue" test
\_ Clue. No written test required. Also, these numbers are
suitability for our position, not raw brain cell count
or aggregate computer knowledge. |
| 2000/5/2-3 [Industry/Jobs, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:18158 Activity:very high 70%like:18157 |
4/32 What are the best job search/employee search websites for non-techies?
Should include sites where employers can look for non-techie people.
\_ Who cares? There aren't any. Use a newspaper. Check the signs
on the doors at local fast food places. Maybe you can get a job at
Krispie Kream and those of us with real jobs can skip the line?
\_ unfortuatly, thats not true. my poly sci major roomate was a
fucking idiot with no skills or knowledge or inteligence
*except* the ability to get all A's in his three classes
a semester of fluff. when he graduated, he went to go work for
goldman-sachs on the basis of this one skill making what i would
guess is comparable to good tech salaries(on the order of 100k).
in a good , fair workld, run by engineers, skill would be corelated
to salary, but it is not. nor is inteligence or knowledge.
someone with great grades form uc berkeley can get a high paying
job if they know how to wear a suit and fit in with whatever
kind of nincopoop they happen to want to work for.
\_ Hey, calm down there fella! Maybe you should take a minute,
sit back, listen to your whalesong tapes, do your aroma
therapy thing, then come back and fix your goddamn
grammar and your suck-ass typos.
\_ [local motd flavor purged]
[if it actually added humor, it would still be here] |
| 2000/4/28-29 [Industry/Jobs] UID:18140 Activity:moderate |
4/28 Can someone recommend a good salary survey site for
non-management technical positions? Most sites I could find
have outdated data or not enough data.
\_ http://salary.com
\_ This is pretty good... compares to offers that I have been getting.
\_ http://www.pencom.com e.g. <DEAD>salarysurvey.pencom.com/SalExt<DEAD>
--social science major
\_ This is WAY WAY low if you graduating EECS/CS.
\_ Are you BS/BA or MS? $65k is average, $75k+ if you're good. |
| 2000/4/26-29 [Computer/SW/Mail, Industry/Jobs] UID:18121 Activity:kinda low 50%like:19092 |
4/26 QA internship at Sendmail, Inc. in Emeryville.
See /usr/local/csua/pub/jobs/Sendmail/QAintern for more info.
\_ Is this sort of like "Bong Hits and Staring At A Wall ...For Dummies"
\_ or, "We're not making as much money as we thought, so we'll
get some dumb intern"?
\_ It's a nice listing. -notchris
\_ Bullshit. They want a 4 year degree and coding experience
for a QA internship. That's ridiculous. Maybe that was a
decent job for a desperate NCG in the earlier 90s but those
times are long gone. I could get 80k/year starting salary
FTE with out trying for what they want for a shitty
internship. Join the 00's. The 90's are over. It's a
*really* lame listing.
\_ I considered everything you said before I wrote it
was a nice listing, especially because your points
have been brought up in earlier motd's. Since you don't
really care for the listing, I don't feel it's
necessary to convey to you why it's a good one.
-notchris
\_ In other words, I made some valid points that you
can't refute so you're just going to repeat
yourself?
\_ You can think that. Have a nice day.
\_ umm if they say they only want a degree that means they
will take a freshman. If they want new graduates they
say somthing like "must have 10 years of experiance
with java and perl"
\_ NCG? FTE?
\_ New CS grad; full-time employee
\_ New College Grad.
\_ Sad that the motd had to help 'fix' the initial idiotic listing
asking for a 4 year degree for an internship. So, when is
Sendmail going to start making money? |
| 2000/3/21-23 [Industry/Jobs] UID:17816 Activity:high |
3/21 Will someone recommend a good place to post my resume? For instance,
what do people here think of <DEAD>Monster.com...techies.com<DEAD>? Thanks.
\_ if you dont mind working as a contractor use dice or monster, if you
want to deal directly with companies, look in craigslist or
\_ Don't post it publically if you're not ready to burn bridges.
go to various websites and follow their 'jobs' links.
if you do web based development, post your login.
\_ another question: how do you prevent your current employer from
seeing your resume on these sites?
\_ Don't post it publically if you're not ready to burn
bridges.
[your manager could be browsing from AOL]
\_ could also be positive -- chance for a raise,
more responsibility and others.
\_ No. You should go and ask for that stuff.
Good managers know that they won't keep an
employee long term who is unhappy no matter
how much money they toss around, especially
if you're all set to leave without even
telling them there was a problem.
\_ Yeah, that pretty much matches my
experience also. By the time it gets to
the point where the employee is sending
out resumes, monsy won't do much besides
delay the inevitable.
\_ http://dice.com. My mom and my best friend both found new jobs
in 2-3 weeks after posting on dice.
\_ 2-3 weeks? What's wrong with them? Try 2-3 hours.
\_ Are you retarded or something? Haven't you noticed that
there's a sort of theme as far as posting followups to
the motd goes? Moron.
\_ No. I haven't. What theme?
\_ Both wanted a decent long term place to work, not
just the latest startup craze. Besides neither was
looking for straight coding. My mom took over as eng.
lead/architect and my best friend took over as a
director. These jobs are a little harder to find.
\_ Ok... 2-3 days.
\_ That's what it took to get the interviews
and offers lined up. They switched employers
2-3 weeks (including 2wk notice) after posting
on dice.
\_ hotjobs generated LOTSA calls and email for me.. they have an
employer-block feature but I don't know how well it works -shac
\_ Dice is best for contracts, hands down. Their ability to search
by phone area code is way useful too. I often am not interested in
Bay Area as a whole, say want to exclude South Bay. -muchandr
\_ whomever you use make sure you don't put down a phone number
unless ou really enjoy getting woekn up by someone far too cheerful
who is trying to convince ou that babysitting databases is the
most exciting career move out there.
\_ "CLICK!" Last message on my machine was some chick saying that
she's from Blah Inc (which I never heard of) and random chick #2
gave her my resume and said I should be offered this great job
opportunity, etc, etc, etc. I love my answering machine. |
| 2000/2/25-26 [Industry/Jobs] UID:17619 Activity:nil |
2/25 Unless you have a true and deep passion for CS and computers in general
you should go do something else. Since you obviously don't have a deep
passion for anything and you'll be bored in and hate pretty much any
jobs you have, you should make sure to avoid the better paying yet
boring jobs and go into the lower paying and boring jobs. That way
the job market remains insanely imbalanced and those who came before
can be assured they'll always have a salary way out of whack with what
they'd be worth in a normal job market. Got it now? |
| 2000/2/17-21 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA, Industry/Jobs, Computer/SW] UID:17542 Activity:nil 53%like:16541 |
2/17 Octane Software is hiring, more details at /csua/pub/jobs/Octane |
| 2000/2/17-18 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA, Industry/Jobs] UID:17538 Activity:nil 57%like:18115 |
2/17 Position available at Abeona, see /csua/pub/jobs/Abeona for details |
| 2000/2/17 [Industry/Jobs] UID:17530 Activity:high |
2/16 What are good ways to judge whether a candidate would work well
for your company or not? Technical questions/expertise? Initiative?
Communication skills? Getting along with coworkers?
\_ How can you tell by the ring whether a woman is taken or not?
\_ technical skills, and co-worker integration.
The others can tell you whether they like him.
Hire someone who HAS A CLUE (obviously not yourself) to evaluate
their technical skills.
\_ nobody said the original poster was hiring. Probably
just curious how others evaluate.
\_ that does not jibe with the wording of the question.
And dont delete my reply, schmuck.
\_ I think that one's ability to communicate during an
interview is *very* important. Throw a tough technical
question at the interviewee, not to see if they can get
the perfect answer, but to make sure that they understand
complex questions etc... After that: personality & tech. |
| 2000/2/16-17 [Industry/Jobs] UID:17525 Activity:nil |
2/15 What's a good avg salary for a Senior S/W Engineer (90-95)K ?
\_ Define "Senior"
\_ Senior Paco quiere Tacos!
\_ It mostly consists of the label.
\_ Don't dismiss labels and titles so readily.
\_ Yes, if "Senior" means ~5 years experience at your company.
\_ Se~nor Paco quiere Tacos! |
| 2000/2/16 [Industry/Jobs, Recreation/Humor] UID:17521 Activity:insanely high |
2/16 I plan to add another question to my standard technical interview
list but I want to try it out here first to see what kind of answers
the Motd Wisdom comes up with first. Please be my test subjects.
The new question: What is the running time of the troll sort?
\_ "motd wisdom"? please tell us what company you hire for, so
we may avoid it.
\_ Please let me know what company you work for,
so I can avoid it's stock.
\_ ObGrammar: ^its
The new question: What is the running time of the troll sort?
\_ Please let us all know who you are so we can know who has zero
sense of humor. IT WAS A JOKE! The sort of joke intended to
bring a tiny uplift of the lip, a slight grin, a tiny moment of
slight humor to brighten your dismal life in a small way and
YOU DIDN'T GET IT! You're officially beyond hope. Please kill
yourself now and stop wasting oxygen.
\_ If it's a joke, it's not very funny. |
| 2000/2/15 [Industry/Jobs, Computer/SW/OS/Solaris] UID:17518 Activity:nil |
2/14 What is a typical salary range for a unix system administrator
(Linux and Solaris) with 2 years experience but doesn't want
to work in south bay? |
| 2000/2/3 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA, Industry/Jobs] UID:17425 Activity:very high |
2/3 CSUA Engineer Job Title poll:
\_ Current or previous jobs?
1 CTO
\_ heh. kinney gave me the title, tho somehow i don't think
it means what he thinks it means - paolo
0 VP Eng
0 Architect
1 Sr Software Eng
1 Software Eng
\_ someone removed my 1!
\_ no, mine!
2 Various Sysadmin
0 Random Title
1 Herder of Cats
1 Member of Tech Staff
\_ What exactly is an MTS (Member of Tech Staff)
\_ Whatever you want it to be - here it includes
programmers, sys admins, release engineers, etc.
2 Tech Support Engineer
1 Gopher
1 Programmer/Analyst (go UC employees!)
\_ Slaves to the Man. Half the pay for 3/4ths the work.
1 Blowjob boy
1 Pascal Princess
1 Web monkey |
| 2000/2/3-4 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA, Industry/Jobs] UID:17418 Activity:nil |
2/2 Inktomi is coming (back) to Berkeley. We will be at
Brewed Awakening (1807 Euclid) on Thursday, February 3rd, from 4 PM to
7 PM. Drop by and speak with a hiring manager about a possible job
internship with Inktomi.
More info in /csua/pub/jobs/Inktomi.new
-kube |
| 2000/2/2-3 [Industry/Jobs, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/TJB] UID:17408 Activity:very high |
2/2 So just wondering if anyone has ever actually met a tjb style moron
at work (industry, academia, anywhere). Do these sorts of fools ever
really get hired anywhere that does personal interviews? I've been
working for 7+ years at various places and have yet to meet anyone
like that who survived a first round interview no matter how good
their resume looked to HR.
\_ In response to everything below, I was really wondering about
getting past the first personal interview, not the reference
check. I'd give the guy a huge thumbs down in the first 5 minutes.
Reference checks are bullshit for numerous reasons. -original poster
\_ Yes.
\_ while I haven't met anyone like that in a professional environment
I can't believe they'd have any trouble gettin a job. The job
market right now is soo worker-starved that just about any chump
can get a job. Sure they might have to only choose between 3 or
4 offers after a week or two of searching, but they'll still
get them.
\_ Silicon Valley is a very small place. People talk. If you
have a bad reputation, word gets around fast. My former boss
was one such person. He has had 6-7 jobs in the last two
years. He is having to go to a different industry, that's
how fast word gets around. Remember one thing: don't burn
your bridges; leave on good terms.
\_ Please. Silicon Valley is a *huge* place -- are you trying
to assert that the multi-billion-dollar complex of software
and hardware companies in the Valley somehow consitute an
intimate little "everybody knows everybody" kaffesklatch?
Your boss isn't getting rehired because he has obvious
resume problems (even if he wasn't obviously defective,
would you hire someone who's had 6 jobs in 2 years if you
were looking for a long-termer?), not because the word's
gone out through the grapevine. Some references may even
candy-coat a tjb-style fuckup, because they don't want to
get sued for saying something defaming, or because they're
the idiot's current co-workers and they want to get rid of
him. And even if your name is mud in Silicon Valley, the
industry doesn't stop once you leave the Bay Area; just
move to somewhere new.
\_ You're on the shitlist, too -- nobody who's *anybody*
is talking to you! (Somebody told me that yesterday.)
That's how come you don't know the way it really is.
\_ This is funny. You obviously haven't worked here
long here. By "going to a different industry" I mean
going from say network hardware to semiconductor. Yeah
shitty people can always get jobs, they just won't get
jobs with good people who has been around and keep a
very long shitlist. I've been for 4 years and
I already have a list of people in my mind that I want
to avoid like a plague.
\_ Just off the top of my head, Andy Bechtolsheim and
Dave Ditzel. Yep, famously obnoxious and annoying
people must have trouble getting hired in the Valley.
The answer is, if you are bright enough, you will
get the job, no matter how evil you are. Sometimes
you have to be pretty f*cking bright though.
\_ I think that you're confusing reality with your own
megalomaniac visions: "Ha ha! When *I* am the one
in control, *he'll* never work in *this* town again!
Muahahahaha!" |
| 2000/1/26-2/3 [Industry/Jobs] UID:17336 Activity:nil |
12/26 CS 186 (Database System) needs a reader. Contact Sirish
Chandrasekaran, sirish@cs.berkeley.edu if interested. This is a great
opportunity to make some money, and a worthwhile experience if you
would like to TA any CS classes in the future. |
| 2000/1/22 [Industry/Jobs] UID:17291 Activity:nil |
1/21 Can anyone provide some info (i.e., demand in market, salaries,
future prospect, etc.) on Design, Product, and Application
Engineering?
\_ There's no future in it. One word: Plastics. |
| 1999/12/18-21 [Industry/Jobs] UID:17068 Activity:high |
12/18 Could i get some people's comments about working at Taos Mountain?
thanks.
\_ Why do they have the bad rep? Is it only because of the
fact they act like some employment agency? (How much do
they get paid for you?) Or is it because you dont learn
anything? Does it look bad on the resume to leave soon?
\_ You'll probably get somewhere in the range of 30%-40%
of what they're paid for you.
\_ They're a contract agency. Contract agents and head
hunters aren't bad people, they're just primarily
interested in earning a living; like in any job situation,
the other guy will consider his interests before yours.
Act accordingly. -John
\_ Taos takes about 45 cents on the billing hour, after
they pay your FICA and benefits. For some contracts
that's probably higher. This is probably ok for a
jr/mid grade SA. The norm for staying there is about
2 years, but it won't look bad or good if you leave
sooner. They're just an agency. Always remember that
you're a contractor, not really an employee. -jor
\_ Exactly. And they don't have a bad rep, per se. They
just don't have your interests at heart. You have to
fully understand and appreciate this before going there.
I have never held short time contracting against someone
when considering a new hire. YMMV but I think it's ok.
\_ giving the above poster/baiter the benefit of the doubt:
i would rather comment privately -- it has its pros and cons.
email me, i used to be a recruiter there. --chris
\_ Are you the same person quoted in the sfgate article?
\_ She'll just try to recruit you to some lame job. Don't email her.
In public: Taos is ok if you have zero job experience and need to
put something on your resume fast but don't stay more than 3 months
or 6 on the way outside or you're missing out on real jobs that will
be much better for you in the long run. Taos keeps getting paid
more for you with each contract but you don't see any of it. Pity
the fool who stayed at Taos long enough to get the lamer jacket
(one full year). Use them like they intend to use you then leave.
If you already have job experience there's nothing they can offer
you, don't waste your time on them.
\_ Why do they have the bad rep? Is it just because of the
\_ Don't flatter yourself, dear anonymous poster. I would rather
just talk "offline" about Taos. It's good, and it's bad. I have
anything? Does it look bad on the resume?
my personal opinions, and I would rather not air them in public.
If you're an intermediate SysAdmin, it is a great way
to build a career for yourself, any more detailed info, ask me
yourself. --chris
\_ If you're a beginner SysAdmin it is an ok way to start a
career. As far as flattery, how many recruiters such as
yourself are really careful about who they're willing to
try to place? "Oh, I don't think I'll make $20k+ from
trying to place you. You don't meet my high standards."
Get real. Any recruiter such as yourself would place any
warm (or cold) body anywhere they could make a fast buck.
\_ Why do they have the bad rep? Is it only because of the
fact they act like some employment agency? (How much do
they get paid for you?) Or is it because you dont learn
anything? Does it look bad on the resume to leave soon?
\_ They're a contract agency. Contract agents and head
hunters aren't bad people, they're just primarily
interested in earning a living; like in any job situation,
the other guy will consider his interests before yours.
Act accordingly. -John
\_ Exactly. And they don't have a bad rep, per se. They
just don't have your interests at heart. You have to
fully understand and appreciate this before going there.
I have never held short time contracting against someone
when considering a new hire. YMMV but I think it's ok. |
| 1999/12/1-2 [Industry/Jobs] UID:16986 Activity:very high |
12/1 What's the best site for salary information in Silicon Valley?
You hear all these people getting mega bucks, but seeing the real
average (including UCB EECS/CS salary information) would be nice.
\_ Useful Answers under this subheading
\_ There aren't any is the sad truth. Salaries are random.
\_ Useless Answers under this subheading, babe
\_ So if I want to hire a website, it costs 80k? babe?
\_ $80k, babe.
\_ for what?
\_ for a website babe
\_ So if I want to hire a website, it costs 80k?
babe?
\_ no you idiot. "website babes" get paid 80k.
\_ your website babe is underpaid.
\_ she doesn't do anal
\_ there are babes in this field? Where?
\_ http://www.whitehouse.com
\_ It's not 80k average for anything. |
| 1999/11/19-20 [Industry/Jobs] UID:16919 Activity:moderate |
11/18 In this day and age, is it really worth getting a Masters in C.S.?
Esp. those with experience already.
\_ Yes and no. There are pros and cons
\_ Well put.
\_ Do you want to wave that degree around like some big dick, or
just use the time to get more experience and $$$ ?
\_ why, to wave it around like some big dick of course! What
else would you use it for? I'm sure the paper it's printed
on is probably too coarse for use as toilet paper.... |
| 1999/11/16-17 [Computer/SW/Mail, Industry/Jobs] UID:16902 Activity:moderate |
11/16 Software co-op positions available at Siebel Systems in
Emeryville for January-June 2000. If interested, send resume or
questions to me at echao@siebel.com. -chaos
\_ Siebel? Weren't you doing sendmail?
\_ Wrong Asian chick, you bonehead.
\_ They all look the same to me. Had one asian chick,
had em all.
\_ didn't take long to do sendmail; small company. |
| 1999/11/14-15 [Industry/Jobs] UID:16878 Activity:nil |
11/12 /csua/pub/jobs/Thirdvoice. All sorts of stuff. Not all of it is
technical. Not all of it requires 5 decades of experience. Something
for everyone. Mail me with questions. Job location is Redwood City.
-reiffin
\_ is thirdvoice more or less doomed than apple?
\_ Seen Apple's stock anytime in the last year? If Thirdvoice does
half as well, none of us will have anything to complain about.
\_ You're a M$oft employee? I'd rather be at a startup.
\_ What happened to all the hullabaloo about ThirdVoice, all the
webmasters bitching about violated content ownership rights? Did
that just kind of die off? -John
\_ Go to <DEAD>saynotothirdvoice.com<DEAD> to see for yourself. They're an
unfunded volunteer group. The bulk of the members are on
free geocities and tripod accounts, if you call that being
a webmaster.... They were good to get us some good press
and are otherwise completely meaningless. |
| 1999/11/3-4 [Recreation/Food, Industry/Jobs] UID:16822 Activity:kinda low |
11/3 Our group is interviewing a person on Friday, and I got stuck with
taking the guy out to lunch. What do you ask during lunch? Do I
avoid technical questions? What's the traditional approach?
\_ I would talk about whatever he wants to talk about: remember,
the point is to get to know him. If he's a technical person,
he will probably end up talking about technical stuff anyway.
\_ Try to make it clear how much you dread social interaction with him
\_ I used to take candidates to this Moroccan/belly-dancing place,
and I'd pay off the belly-dancer to get her to embarrass the guy.
\_ Sounds like an excellent use of money. Keep up the good work.
\_ Don't forget to make the guy pay for both meals and any drinks. |
| 1999/10/5 [Industry/Jobs] UID:16665 Activity:nil |
2-3 years of working experience by UC? (BA degree from all UCs)
\_ You can't. There's no such thing. You get what you negotiate for.
Average salaries are a hiring manager and HR scam. -hiring mgr |
| 1999/10/5 [Industry/Jobs] UID:16664 Activity:nil |
10/4 Where can I find the average salary for a Software engineer who has |
| 1999/9/30-10/2 [Industry/Jobs] UID:16632 Activity:kinda low |
9/30 Job openings at Siebel in Internationalization and Localization.
See /csua/pub/jobs/Siebel/l10n and i18n. -chaos
\_ I have complete mastery of English. Any open jobs for me?
\_ I two have mystery of English. I want job! Give me H1b sponsorship;
I work for cheap. |
| 1999/9/29-30 [Industry/Jobs] UID:16622 Activity:high |
9/27 Oracle hired me 9 months ago as a developer. But all I have been
doing since then: moving computer, installing latest shiphome
RDBMS, run test cases, release management, and debugging. I get
paid extremely well, but I feel very guilty for not doing
any technical work. I think my co-workers are in the same shoes.
Is this common in database companies?
\_ Why do you feel guilty? I would just feel like an idiot. idiot.
\_ SOOOO MANY BAD MEMORIES. Please don't remind me. I didn't feel
guulty. Just bored out of my mind. I quit and ran away.
Never saw my boss again.
\_ but what about our LOVECHILD??
\_Poor baby. How can they do that to you. Paying you "extremely
well" to sit around and jack off? Serious though, why feel
guilty for the fact that you have an easy job when you should be
worried that you ain't gaining any real knowledge/experience
which you need to get a new job when the suits figure out that
they can just hire 2.7 lab monkeys (give or tack .3 monkey) to
do your work and pay them in peanuts.
\_ Totally. If you're not learning then you're selling your future
for an easy job now. Actually your job doesn't sound easy, just
dull. Quit or ask for something real to do. You're withering.
\_Maybe you think you are being paid well. You are actually doing IT,
QA, and whole bunch crap. They ought to pay you well. How much? On
Average, a 2 year develope should be paid 65k? (correct me on that)
\_ Not in the Valley in this job market.
\_ 65k? thats like entry level!
\_ are you for realz? every 2 year software
engineer's getting 80k?
\_ No, please learn what "average"
means. Many make more, many make
less.
\_ That's not what "average"
means at all...
\_ The point was "average"
!= "every". The second
sentence is a seperate
statement.
\_ You guys are missing the point. I'm suppose to be a
DEVELOPER. Why am I doing QA, debugging, and all that
crap? I am not complaining about my salary. I am
merely asking whether the word "developer" at one company
means differently than another company.
\_ a developer working in QA is the sign of a good QA
department. Yes, this is an appropriate place for
a "developer". If you dont have smart people in QA,
you end up being microsoft.
\_ Maybe so, but do *you* want to be the schmuck in QA?
\_ We didn't all miss the point. A few people did say that
if you feel like you're wasting your time, move on. You
missed the point.
\_ So, are you feeling cheated or something? Before you took the
job, what did Oracle tell you your job description and duties
would be? Or did they just say, "you'll be a developer, sign
here", and you just said "okay"? Title means nothing: I have
a friend working at IBM whose business cards say "Software
Engineer", even though she's a *technical writer* who started
her first programming class *ever* this week. |
| 1999/9/9-10 [Industry/Jobs] UID:16495 Activity:low |
9/9 Anybody tried posting their resumes on http://monster.com? I did that and I only got calls from headhunters, NONE from employers so far. I took it out because of that. Anybody had similar experiences? \_ Too late. You're already in a dozen+ resume databases. You'll be getting headhunter calls and email until you change your # and email address. And no, places like that are hunter hangouts. The employers are not looking at resumes there or anywhere else that isn't put on their desk. \_ I know plenty of employers who troll http://Monster.com...several of my friends have gotten direct jobs from Monster, but you do have to withstand a whole bunch of headhunter trolls. If you want to avoid headhunters, I'd suggest http://hotjobs.com. Hotjobs does not allow headhunters to subscribe to their resume database (only direct employers). It may be too late though -- you've probably been scanned into a kazillion databases (I still get calls from a resume I posted years ago). --chris |
| 1999/8/16-17 [Industry/Jobs] UID:16319 Activity:high |
8/16 I'm sick of engineering and I'm interested in becoming a public school
teacher. Anybody know of a part-time program where you can get
accredited? I can't quit my day job just yet. Any pointers to web
sites and/or program names is greatly appreciated.
\_ If you try private school first you will have better an easier
time, both with the class size, and the handling of the students.
And you don't need to have a teaching credential to teach at a
private school. After that, if you still like it, you can move
on to the big money of public school.
\_ Wait, private schools doesn't require credentials? Anybody
can walk in and apply? That's a suprise to me. And I'm not
\_ Why should it be a surprise. Just because anyone can apply
doesn't mean they'll hire idiots, just that they can hire
a teacher for math or science that doesn't have to know
the California history required to get the CBEST credential.
\_ There's no history section on the CBEST. For reasons
best left unmentioned, I tried out the sample test a few
\_ Many public schools are hiring people without credentials under
an emergency waiver and then giving them a year to get their
credentials. You have to take the CBEST and get emergency
credentials.
weeks ago and any idiot with a 5th grade education should
be able to pass it easily. The test was a huge joke and
anyone who can't pass it the first time has no business
trying to teach kids. They're an idiot. I took harder
tests in grade school. And yes, anyone can walk in and
get hired to work at a private school. Private schools
also pay a lot less than public schools.
going after the "big money" in public schools. My EECS degree
is already making me big money.
\_ Many public schools are hiring people without credentials
under an emergency waiver and then giving them awhile to get
accredited. You have to take the CBEST and get emergency
credentials, which are issued by the school, not the state.
If you want to work full-time and take classes towards your
credential, almost any csu will allow that. |
| 1999/8/13-15 [Industry/Jobs] UID:16309 Activity:low |
8/13 Help, I think my new manager is bored. He keeps coming to my cube,
asks me how to do this and that (it is not like he is ever going to
apply any technical skill he learns from me), trys to go through
the development process with me (and creates shit for me to clean
up). How do I make him stop?
\_ I think he probably misses being a developer and/or is bored.
\_ Is this at Administrative Computing?
\_ NO COMMENT
\_ Gun.
\_ turn off the -i (interactive) flag in the inetd.conf |
| 1999/8/11 [Industry/Jobs] UID:16290 Activity:moderate |
8/10 The thread below brings up an interesting question for me. I've
been out long enough now to see several folks' resumes. I see a
pattern of a couple of years' spin-up through stuff like QA,
benchmark programming and sysadmin jobs before people hit
"real" developing jobs. Leaving aside the matter of wunderkids,
do people find this pattern consistent with their experience
after graduation? -ulysses
\_ Why is developing considered more 'real' than sysad? I get paid
more than most developers and work less for it, mostly. -sysad |
| 1999/6/21-23 [Industry/Jobs] UID:15998 Activity:moderate 55%like:15986 |
6/21 Unix sysadmin position available at http://Yodlee.Com in Sunnyvale. See /csua/pub/jobs/Yodlee for details. -cdaveb (reposted) \_ There's only one thing you have to know about being a sysadmin: echo 'root: "/dev/null"' >! /etc/aliases; sendmail -bi \_ are there any senior-level development position open? \_ I don't know but I'll check. \_ We do but nobody's been able to survive the interview. E-mail resume to mch@interwoven.com if you're any good. \_who cares?you're just another "me too" company.-ex-candidate \_ Is the senior interview one of those "I have a list of 25 obscure technical questions that a real person would never memorise because they have man pages, but since I can't interview for real, I'm using obscurity as a mis-measure of competence"? If so, then "ex-candidate" shouldn't be too bitter about it. A company that doesn't know how to interview is going to fill slots with morons you don't want to work with. Be glad you got turned down if this is the case. \_ case in point: cdaveb. Of course, if "ex-candidate" was truly unqualified, then hey, you just suck. hah! \_ hee hee, I still remember "What is a 404?" at http://findlaw.com. (not obscure technical but funny) It still makes me think I'll get to an interview with "Are you 1337?" \_ You told them, "that's what you'd have to pay me per hour to work here!", right? \_ Dude, if I'm in an interview and they try to pull that "are you elite??!?" shit on me, I just pull out the VIC-20 I brought along with me, splice an RS-232-to-120-volt-electrical-plug cable right before their eyes, and proceed to hack into their "elite" firewall on the spot, using their building's electrical system for a network. Then I spit on them as I walk out the door on my way out. \_ !Yodlee go Taos! |
| 1999/5/19-22 [Industry/Jobs] UID:15836 Activity:nil |
5/19 Web Development Internship opportunity at Siebel.
Email shsieh@siebel.com for more details. |
| 1999/5/19 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA, Industry/Jobs] UID:15835 Activity:nil |
5/19 Jobs at Siebel. Please send your resumes to jeyu@siebel.com.
[please do not post long job descriptions. put them in /csua/pub/jobs] |
| 1999/5/18-19 [Industry/Jobs] UID:15834 Activity:nil 53%like:15810 |
5/17 Internship opportunity at Ciena/Lightera. See /csua/pub/jobs/ciena. |
| 1999/5/17-18 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA, Industry/Jobs] UID:15823 Activity:nil 61%like:15810 |
5/17 MUD Interns: /csua/pub/jobs/Skotos
\_ muaaahhwwwhhhaahahaahhooooahhhh!!!!!!1!!1!!!7! |
| 1999/5/14-16 [Recreation/Dating, Industry/Jobs] UID:15809 Activity:very high |
5/15 i am a sysadmin at a startup, and my female boss tells me
if i give her sexual favors she will increase my salary from
120k to 150k plus options(she is the ceo). i dont know what to do
she is really hot, but married. please help.
\_ Obviously it's a lie.
\_ ask her for a 3 way with her husband -- it's ok if her husband
is involved.
\_ Yeah right! As if anything that great could ever happen to a
Cal geek....
\_ So sue for sexual harassment and take 10 years of salary to
the bank.
\_ My NT sysadmin makes more money than that.
\_ Oh come on. This is such an obvious troll, although congratulations
for ensnaring the few people above who are too stupid to see the
blatant troll for what it is. Come on people, wake up.
\_ i predict that your comment will have no effect and the blathering
will continue until deleted. -thetroller
\_ I'm sure you're right. It's just somewhat surprising
anyone could read that and believe it and reply in even a
semi-serious way. Even our discussion of the trollish
nature is unlikely to prevent others from adding to it or
stop them from thoughtless replies re: future trolls.
\_ huh. i guess we both underestimated the inteligence of
the flame wariors(hard to do). apparently making direct
reference to the troll nature of a post repeatedly and
admitting you were the one responsible for the post is
enough to shut them up. worth remembering this...
-thetroller
\_ Guess so. I'm quite amazed, but yes it's worth
remembering and far more effective than the
typical "troll deleted" replacement.
\_ I'm a petite young asian fantasy dreamboat 36-21-36, and
my cs61A TA wants to cum in my face for an A on the final exam.
what should I do?
\_ Take drugs. |
| 1999/5/5 [Industry/Jobs, Computer/SW/OS/Linux] UID:15754 Activity:nil |
5/5 new to linux. any recommendation for reference books for developers?
\_ Linux Application Development is supposed to be good. |
| 1999/4/28 [Industry/Jobs, Computer/HW/Printer] UID:15719 Activity:nil |
4/28 Has anyone here worked for HP? Intern or full-time? How was it?
\_Both, what do you want to know? It's obviously very dependent
on where you work and what you do. It's a big company. I guess I
work for the company formerly known as HP now...
\_ Parts of HP is pretty cush. I thought were the printer guys
were pretty annoying, but that was an impression from several
years ago.
\_ guess that's cause they have a thing for lawnmowers... |
| 1999/4/27-5/1 [Industry/Jobs, Industry/Startup] UID:15699 Activity:nil |
4/19 Know of a growing startup that would like to recruit at Cal, but
can't afford to pay the ILP $1000-$7500? Tell them to join the CSUA
Startup Jobs Fair. More info: <DEAD>www.csua/startup.html<DEAD> |
| 1999/4/2-5 [Computer/SW/Languages/C_Cplusplus, Industry/Jobs] UID:15687 Activity:very high 50%like:15685 |
4/1 Informal Soda Salary Survey. Please join in.
\_ Do you want the nominal or real hourly rate?
(i.e. no over-time, work 60 hours a week).
\_ If you're on a salary, put that down, not including
options, etc. If you're a contractor, put down what
you get per hour. The amount you work is assumed
to be ~40 hours per week. If it isn't, put a note
that you work >> 40.
Title Years Experience Salary/Hourly rate
Hrs/wk Title Years Experience Salary/Hourly rate
English Majorz 3 $6/hr + food (sometimez!)
CEO of MSFT ~20 years Let's see I own 1b
shares of MSFT. The
stock moved up $3
yesterday, which means
I made $3b yesterday.
That works out to be
$375 million per hour
(8 hr a day). Or about
$6.25 million a minute
CAD Engineer 1.5 $53K/yr + stocks + opt
or about $100K a
second. More than
what any of you and
any of your descendants
will make for the
next 1000 years.
-billg
shares of MSFT.
\_ not including
options, etc.
[deletia]
Drug Dealer High School + 2 ys $250k/yr + marijuana
option.some occupational
Sr. System Admin 4 + EECS/C $97k/yr + bonus +
weak options
hazards.
60 IT everything guy #2 3 $36k/yr + pain
Sysadmin BS from UCB + 0 yrs $65k/yr
IEEE engineer @SunMicro MS from Stanford $62K /yr starting
Student Intern @Sun 0, no degree $48k/yr
\_ makes that stanford MS look pretty worthless
English Majorz 3 $6/hr + food(sometimez!)
\_ go away tpc you're not funny.
English Major: 2 50-60 hours/week $50k/yr + stocks
English Major 4 $85K/yr + great stocks
Gradushit student 4.5 (shit!) $15k/yr (shit**2!!)
\_ oh, and yes, >>40 hours/week
Sr. Solaris Admin 7 $80/hr
Sr. System Admin 6 $85k/yr + uberstock
Sr. System Admin 3 $83k+stock+ann. bonus
DBA 5 $102k/yr + stocks
TAOS Whore 5 $90k/yr + "SAR's"
Another Taos Whore 4 + EECS/C $97k/yr + overtime +
weak options ("SARs")
TAOS Bitch 5 $125K/yr + 5K bonus +
"SAR's" + overtime
TAOS Whore #3 2 + EECS/C $75K/yr + S*R's +
overtime
TAOS Assistant Crack Ho on Move Team 0 $18/hour
Software Engineer 2 + MSCS $82K/yr + 7K options
Software Engineer ~1 + EECS $68K/yr + Great Stock
Software Engineer ~1 + EECS/C $55K/yr + bonus
Software Engineer ~2 + EECS/C $64K/yr + options
Sr. C/S Engineer 4 $75K/yr + stocks
CAD Engineer 1.5 $53K/yr + bonus
+ stocks + opt
Bitch of The Man All my life free + no beating
before dinner, if I'm
lucky
web front end grunt 4+ $55k + $1.4m in stocks
Web Developer (Taos) 1 + EECS/C $80K/yr
\_ caught them in a frenzy of desperation
Microsoft Janitor 1 $90K/yr + super stocks
Beggar outside M$ 2 50cents/min + see Gates
\_ not quite as good as Gate$ who makes > $550/sec
\_ But at least the beggar gets some.
Software Engineer 2+ $75K/yr + Great Stock
Mathematician 3 $58K/yr + stock
(not bay area)
Sr. Engineer (software) 7 (including co-op) $80K/yr + stocks
\_ Sheeeeeit, I'm making too little.
Student Intern 0 $48k/yr, but no benefits
Start Your Own Company 2 -$150K/yr
consultant 4 $70/hr
IT everything guy 2 $70k/yr + stocks
IT everything guy #2 3 $36k/yr + pain
all my friends who work on crab boats(HS dropouts) $60-$120k/yr
Husband 2 -$30k/yr - freedom
\_ only if you marry lame - my wife is +$70k/yr
Consultant (software) 3 $88k/yr + bonus
Consultant (hardware) 10 $150/hr
Sys Admin (econ degree) 1(real)5(resume) $47/yr +tinystock
\_ On behalf of honest peoople
everywhere, fuck you. --sowings
\_ well hey at least he's not
making that much...
\_ diff could be grad school
\_ based on what he's making, they
don't believe his resume either
\_ gotta remember if its a gov't
job (i.e. UC) the benefits are
great and the hours are like
half time.
\_It's not, and they never
looked at my resume which
I will soon be sending out
because, it is low $'s.
because, it is low $.
\_ How do you know your resume
wasn't looked at? And why'd
you lie in the first place?
Jr Sys Admin 2 $46k + options
Software Engineer 10 $55k + bonus + options |
| 1999/4/2 [Industry/Jobs] UID:15685 Activity:nil 50%like:15687 |
4/1 Informal Soda Salary Survey. Please join in.
Title Years Experience Salary/Hourly rate
Sr. Solaris Admin 7 $80/hr |
| 1999/2/16-17 [Industry/Jobs] UID:15424 Activity:high |
2/16 What's good non-BS-sounding response to an employer's "tell me
about yourself" type question?
\- I have a gun.
\_ uh, telling him about yourself? -tom
\_ It's not a trick question. Just give a quick, non-boring
bio of yourself, and if you can, make it relevant to the job you
are applying for. -ax
\_ I was on campus on friday recruiting and interviewing. My
suggestion for you is to have a better attitude about the process.
It's not a B.S. question. It's a way of figuring out if a
candidate can speak fluent english and communicate. I would care
less if you kicked ass in all of hilfinger's projects or that
you can code 5000 lines a day. If you have no social skills,
cannot work in a team, cannot communicate your ideas, cannot speak
fluent english, I will not hire you. Period. It's that simple.
I don't hire assholes with high IQs. You would drag the whole
team down with your attitude. I would rather hire somebody who
is not as smart but works hard and is a team player. Not afraid to
seek help and not snobbish about offering help.
\_ Darn, then you would really heir me. what's the job description?
\_ From my experience, this is pretty much true. The interviews
I've gone through where you go through 4-5 people, at least
one person does almost exclusively non-technical stuff, such
as your hobbies, how you handle conflict, and finding out
your demeanor.
\_ can you retype this last sentance so that the first bit
actually merges into the last bit and makes sense?
\_ IMHO: That's a really poor question to ask in terms of
provoking answers that will realistically determine
interpersonal/cultural fit at an organization. "Tell me about
yourself" is just about the most general, vague question to ask,
and any effective interviewer will know that vague questions
you resolved it" or "Give me an example of..." I think the issue
at hand is more that the question itself is generic rather than
about the candidate being a "non-team player." And you should
sign your name. --chris
generate vague answers. Better than that is to ask something
behavior-based or like "Tell me about a time when...and how
you resolved it" or "Give me an example of..." The question
_is_ a BS question...and the issue is not about the candidate
not being a team player, which you have just naturally assumed
as a recruiter. And you should sign your name. --chris
\_ Am I the only one on the fucking motd that is getting a little
tired of chris's "How to be a corporate stooge" lectures.
Well, that's MYHO, anyway.
\_ Pretty much. I like the how-to-stooge lessons. |
| 1999/2/10-11 [Academia/GradSchool, Industry/Jobs] UID:15394 Activity:nil |
2/9 If an X application doesn't have the -ncols option, how do I limit
the number of colors for it? Can I do something like
/usr/local/bin/setcolor +35 <application that takes up a lot of color> |
| 1999/2/10-11 [Industry/Jobs] UID:15386 Activity:high |
2/9 Job at VA Research doing Linux support -- email me for more info.
This is, of course, via Taos. email me at christine@taos.com ...to
start ASAP! --chris
\_ VA as in Veteran's Association in Martinez? Or a different VA?
\_ DIFFERENT VA -- VA as in Linux, in Mountain View. --chris
\_ http://www.varesearch.com -- the initials are those of the last
names of the original founders, one of whom is Larry M.
Augustin. -- schoen
\_ CHRISTINE: Give me one good reason why I should quit my 6 digit $,
full time job that I love, with full benefits like health, stock,
etc, for a Taos contracting job ? (btw, contracting by nature is
full of people who love $ and come and go quickly)
\_ Taos may pay less than other contracting companies, but they
give lots more benefits. -- former taos slave
\_ and they also treat you like scum
\_ To quote Jesus: "The well don't need healing."
And is that six figures on salary, or six figures including
bonuses, options, etc? -ax
\_ six figures including the two zeros after the decimal
\_ I just want to know the best path to a 6 digit full-time job.
\_ I just want to know the best path to a 6 digit part-time job.
point.
\_ Taos doesn't want you. Taos feeds on clueless newbie students
who it lures into dropping out of school to make $20/hour
+ minimal benefits, and who it can sap the life out of for
a year or two and then spit out their chewed up bodies.
\_ but you're not bitter. - tpc
\_ What's wrong with being bitter if you got used?
\_ If you want to confront me about it, call me or email me.
Some of you have correct info, some of you don't, and I don't
want to discuss it on the motd. Taos hires people to be
salaried staff consultants, and who said Taos doesn't pay
six digits?? And I never asked you to quit a job, I merely
posted an opportunity. If you're happy where you are, then by
all means, STAY there. --chris
all means, STAY there. And sign your name. --chris |
| 1999/1/27-31 [Industry/Jobs, Computer/SW/OS/Solaris] UID:15304 Activity:moderate |
1/26 Solaris System admin job available in Palo Alto. 3 years exp.
One year contract; $50 /hr -- or $60/hr for independent.
Email me for more info.
- ivy
\_ Dude, Contactor makes that much of money? It's almost 100k.
-bkong
\_ Gee, I was just thinking that $60/hr is pretty pathetic.
\_ My company bills other people $150/hr to borrow me.. 2-3x is
pretty standard for contracting rates.. that's about the markup
factor Taos uses, too..
\_ Contractor = no benefits. Cash only. Pay your own taxes and
what would normally be your emplyer's share, etc. $60/hr as
an indep. contractor is a slave wage.
\_ So what hourly pay as an independent contractor would
be equal to $50 as an employee?
\_ I've always heard $10/hour for every $10000 you'd
make as an employee. So, about $104/hour. I've never
been such a contractor, though. It's just a rule of
thumb I've seen bandied about. --dim
\_ I was going to say "about $100/hr". It's up there.
There's tons of costs involved that you don't have
to cover as a real employee.
\_ Hard to say...but most "clued" UNIX SAs demand at least
$80/hr for independent contract positions. $60/hr used
to be more "standard" about a year and a half ago. As
for "what is equal to $50 as an employee" -- it's hard
to say. It'd be up there, past $100/hr. --chris
\_ I used to do $ contractor = 2x $ perm. So that's $100/hr
for your $50/hr perm. Nowadays, I'd go for 2.5x
or even 3x for odious things...
\_ ivy is willing to do brainless shit work for lots o money. She's an
industry slut.
\_ So, ivy, what's the job they're paying peanuts for? Do they
understand how terrible their pay rate is? 3 yrs of Solaris goes
for more than this.
\_ Allright, who on Soda is actually making more than $60/hr as an SA?
-ax
\_ We charge more than 60, but I get 40. --sowings
\_ aye - based on my experiences looking about in the summer/fall,
100/hr for a typical SSA (ie, not guru) is rather high, even
accounting for taxes if you're 1099 (less common). -jor
\_ We're not debating whether it's high or not. The poster
asked what the equivalent to $50/hour salaried would be.
$50/hour is $104,000/year, which is also uncommon. --dim
\_ $104K is not uncommon...but it's usually a better deal
to get a consistent $104K salary than to hedge your bets
on getting high paying contracts. --chris
amended: $104K salary >>> than sitting around a couple of
months unemployed waiting for those high paying contracts,
which can be few and far between.
\_ I doing both. I have a $104K+ perm job, and I have a
half time contract on the side (paying at a 3x rate,
at that).
\_ you are misusing the phrase "hedge your bets". to
hedge a bet is to limit your risk by reducing your
potential gains --aaron
__
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\_ People are throwing a lot of numbers, but I think a lot of people
are using formulas to reach them. Based on real actual experience
I can tell you that someone making $75K on salary tends to get
about $60/hr on contract, and someone making $90K-$100K on salary
tends to get about $80/hr on contract. As far as getting >80
\_ if that's true, then people would be idiots to WANT to be
contractors.
per hour as a Solaris admin, I have no first hand knowledge
of anyone getting that, so I would think it's somewhat rare. -ax
\_ You guys are forgetting about the possibility of VERY long term
contracts. $80 an hour is ~160K a year. And that's a 40 hour
a week contract, which beats the hell out of the average work
50+ hours a week for 90K Sr. admin salary job. - ax
\_ You're forgetting extra taxes, insurance, and other things that
add up. When have you _ever_ heard of anyone getting a year
long contract at 80/hr? Most people don't stay on salary for
that long at a single place. You're making shit up. There is
zero possibility of a high paying long term contract as you
describe it. |
| 1999/1/26-27 [Industry/Jobs] UID:15298 Activity:high |
1/26 When your manager's manager wants to have a one on one with you, is it
better to tell him that you're ecstatic about your work (which he will
interpret that you're happy, so need less $) or tell him that you're
not happy about your work (which he will interpret that he needs to
give you more raise)?
\_The only sure fire method to get more money is leveraged
counteroffers. If you really want more money go do interviews
and get higher offers elsewhere, then let them counter.
So tell him whatever you really feel, because it's unlikely
you will get more money as a result of this meeting. -ax
\_ Does this work if your company has a pretty well-established
and pay-raise structure? My company has all these charts
detailing how much raise I'll get based on performance and
ranking, done twice a year.
\_ Don't let that shit intimidate you, but be prepared to leave
if they're really that stiff. It's just fluff some moron
with a 2 year degree from a community college wrote up while
drunk one night.
\_Yes, it still works if they want to keep you. Whether you like your
work or want more money are separate issues. If you want more $
AND like your work, tell you manager's m that you are happy with
your work, and have been working really hard, and that you feel
you deserve more. If you imply you might look elsewhere because
you're underpaid, chances are, in this industry, that will be
enough.
\_ It can be political and deemed "going over your manager's head"
to reveal disgruntlement to your manager's manager...so be careful
what you say, unless you have a pre-established (ie, you've known
him/her longer than you know your direct supervisor)
relationship with the person you're having lunch with. --chris
\_ Stop complaining you computer nerd people. Go catch more bugs.
\_ Haahhahahhahahhahhahhaha!!! Some trolls are worth keeping around
like cute little dogs you throw marshmellows at for fun!
\_ It could mean he/she is interested in you in a romantic way.
\_ Oh shut the fuck up you clueless twink! It means no such
thing! You've never had a job outside the campus library
system obviously.
\_ So, did he/she ask you out? |
| 1999/1/21-24 [Industry/Jobs] UID:15264 Activity:nil |
1/20 The VA Experimental Audiology Research Laboratory in Martinez is
looking to hire a computer technician; /csua/pub/jobs/VA-tech -brg
\_ brg needs to be sodomized |
| 1999/1/20-23 [Industry/Jobs] UID:15262 Activity:nil 50%like:14892 |
1/20 Great full-time job opportunities in Redwood City --
/csua/pub/jobs/Auco |
| 1998/12/16-17 [Industry/Jobs] UID:15097 Activity:high |
12/15 Seeking opinion: Would you choose a lower paying job w/ less
responsibility or higher paying job w/ more responsibility (plus
lots more stress)? And lets say the difference in salary is $20K/yr.
\_ I'd choose a lower paying with more responsiblity over a higher
paying with less, but that's because I'm not a whore.
\_ way too vague a question. would the stressful job be enjoyable
despite stress, or would it suck? would the less responsibility
job be boring?
\_ It all depends on the person. What do you value more? What makes
you a happier person? You can have a easy job and use all the
free time to do other things you like. Or, you can make lots of
money and be stressful all the time (and not have time to do other
activities or spend the money).
\_ Generally, the higher the salary, the more time you have to spend
at work.
\_ What are your goals? Do you want to be a dude? Take the job with
more responsibility. You can always wimp out later if you can't
cope. It's much easier to go from more to less responsibility than
the other way around.
\_ As others have said, you're not providing sufficient information
about yourself or the job to lend a useful opinion.
\_ "$20K/yr" isn't enough information. If the choice is between $20k
and $40k that's much different than if the choice is between $300k
and $320k...
\_ troll deleted. Shut up jsl -tom
\_ If you can't assume the responsibility of making your own
decision, take the lower paying job. |
| 1998/12/4-6 [Industry/Jobs, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:15069 Activity:low |
12/4 UNIX graveyard shift opportunity in the City -- it's a Taos
opportunity. Thought I'd throw this out to see if anyone wanted an
off hours job. For more info, email christine@taos.com or see
/usr/local/csua/pub/jobs/TAOS --chris
\_ you misspelled "punishment" -tom
\_ you misspelled "asshole"
\_ Well, we found someone who took the position -- lots more openings
at Taos, though (for our Santa Clara office, SF office,
and NYC office). --chris
\_ You have a NYC office, and not an LA office? Sheesh... |
| 1998/11/10-11 [Industry/Jobs] UID:14938 Activity:nil 57%like:14602 |
11/10 Job openings at Inktomi: /usr/local/csua/pub/jobs/Inktomi |
| 1998/11/4-8 [Industry/Jobs] UID:14898 Activity:moderate |
11/3 I've heard a lot of conflicting views about intel as a workplace.
some people told me it was a horrible place to intern/coop and some
said it was pretty awesome. Anyone have any experience? I'm being
offered a 6 month at logic verifcation (don't know what that is).
\_ Well, I'm not sure about the details, but I imagine it means
cranking through layout to compare against verilog-type
information. All I can say is that I've been at Intel for
almost 18 months and it's great. I'm designing and implementing
\_ Well, I'm not sure about the details, but I imagine it mean
- emarkp
\_ Never work at a place where they sign their email with "Have a
cranking through layout to compare against verilog-typ
information. All I can say is that I've been at Intel fo
this should answer your questions. -jor
\_ I've had the same experience with hearing great/unhappy stories
about Intel internships/full-time. It seems that it depends
almost 18 months and it's great. I'm designing and implementin
\_ When I interned back in 96, I thought it was the world's most
uptight company that I had ever worked for. When I porn surfed, I
CAD algorithms. Pretty nifty stuff. Plus I go home at 5pm
was actually "tagged" and warned. However, the learning experience
was great. I would definitely go back. It's an uptight company, but
it's a wonderful uptight company.
was great. I masturbate chronically now and would definitely
go back. It's an uptight company, but it's a wonderful
- emark
- emarkp
\_ Depends on you. Intel prides itself on being inflexible.
Considering the high-tech field, inflexibility doesn't go over
well with most. But really does depend on your group. In
general no flex time(ie 8a-12p then 1p to 5p). In my group you
are expected to work minimum 8hrs with 9 to 10hrs being
average(8a-7p). Pay is generally below avg. but if Intel does
well the bonuses will more than compensate. In general, an anal
company. For example, they search you when you leave the
building. summarizing, you might co-op somewhere where you'd
want to work later. Unless you don't mind strict policies, and
a military like environment, Intel's probably not it. People
only join Intel out of college... almost never from other
companies. This speaks for itself.
\_ I don't get it -- you don't seem to like it there, but you
umm -- haven't quit yet? I don't get it. Please explain.
\_ a lot of old-timers have stock options that make it hard
for them to leave.
\_ The writer probably isn't 35 yet. Intel will make sure to
oust him before then.
\_learn to format at 80 columns.
\_ Never work at a place where they sign their email with "Have
productive day"
\_ http://www.igc.org/faceintel
this should answer your questions. -jo
\_ I've had the same experience with hearing great/unhappy storie
about Intel internships/full-time. It seems that it depend
on a) your division, and b) the managing group
\_ When I interned back in 96, I thought it was the world's mos
uptight company that I had ever worked for. When I porn surfed,
\_ !
was actually "tagged" and warned. However, the learning experienc
was great. I masturbate chronically now and would definitel
go back. It's an uptight company, but it's a wonderfu
uptight company |
| 1998/11/3-4 [Industry/Jobs, Computer/SW/OS/Windows] UID:14892 Activity:high 52%like:14543 50%like:15262 |
11/3 EECS Instructional is *still* looking for a full-time staff member.
/csua/pub/jobs/EECS-Inst-PAIII or
http://www-inst.eecs.berkeley.edu/~iesg/jobs.html
-brg <--- overworked, but not underpaid.
\_ We also have an opening for a student who can admin NT. -brg
\_ Could be a good opportunity for all the people who whine about
\_ We also have an opening for a student who can admin NT. -br
\_ I tend to attribute the suck to the approximately 1:1,200
\_ Could be a good opportunity for all the people who whine abou
how "EECS Instructional sucks!" to do something about it
\_ I tend to attribute the suck to the approximately 1:1,20
\_ No way, eh. I was a PAI.... -blojo
\_ I tend to attribute the suck to the approximately 1:1,200
Instructional staff-to-user ratio
\_ I worked as a PAIII and the pay sure sucked
\_ that you blojo? peacock? is that you buddy
\_ No way, eh. I was a PAI.... -bloj |
| 1998/10/21-23 [Industry/Jobs, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:14804 Activity:nil |
10/21 If I'm suppose to put job openings in /csua/pub/recruiting, then
how will people know that I put one in there? Is this a poll
instead of wait for event type of messaging system (ie,
people interested in jobs poll the directory rather than being
told that something is available)? -cliffwd
\_ Both. You may announce it concisely in /etc/motd, with something
like:
10/21 Interesting job hacking on vacuum tube design in
SF, see /csua/pub/jobs/Vacuum. -- me
\_ H3Y!!!!!1!!! 1 L00K3D 1N TH3 J0BZ D1RECT0RY, AND
1T"Z N0T TH3R3!!!!1!!! WHUT G1V3Z???/? TH1Z
S0UNDZ L13K MY DR3AM J0B -- 1 LUV W0RK1NG W1TH
VACCUM TUB3Z (TH3Y"RE T0TALLY K-RAD, 1N A RETR0
ST3AMPUNK K1NDA WAY!!!1!!!) |
| 1998/10/6 [Industry/Jobs] UID:14738 Activity:moderate |
10/5 network guru job opening at wind river systems.
see /csua/pub/jobs/WindRiver_Net. -jose
\_ "network guru" = "corpo slave with minimal respect + maximum hours"
\_ ok, "corpo slave with minimal respect...yadda, yadda" wanted
at wind river systems.
\_ ^network^SNMP which, no doubt, its sheer drudgery. |
| 1998/10/3-5 [Industry/Jobs] UID:14725 Activity:kinda low |
10/2 I just go a job offer from AMD. I know they make cool chips but for
those that have worked there what did you think?
\_ what's the salary like?
\_ I could've swore they were in a hiring freeze....
\_ There's "hiring freeze", and then there's "we're not going
to give you(the manager) any more money."
The second is more important.
\_ Most hiring freezes mean "no new reqs." Dunno about the
specific AMD case tho. --nevman |
| 1998/9/14-15 [Industry/Jobs] UID:14590 Activity:nil |
09/13 Exciting full-time position at a Berkeley Internet start-up. For
details, please see the file /csua/pub/jobs/getawayzone. If you
have any questions, email me at bkong@soda.berkeley.edu. --bkong
\_ Oh boy, not another one of these again.
\_ Huh? |
| 1998/6/10-12 [Industry/Jobs, Industry/Startup] UID:14191 Activity:high |
6/9 I need some information on starting salaries for new cs grads in
Silicon Valley. Anyone willing to post some numbers in the motd?
Also if anyone knows a reliable source for this information please
let me know. Thanks. -emin
\_ 45K-75K for fresh out of college.
\_ what kind of idiot's pay this much for new grads?
\_ the kind that cant hire anymore furriners
\_Foreigners are REALLY cheap and hard working. They're also
pretty smart. Get them while you can. -Foreigner fetish
\_ Perhaps it's a Green Card issue. --jon
\_ and put up with more management bs...
\_ Depends on what kind of work you're interested in, and what
kinds of skills you have. $45K-$75K is about correct if you
have a college degree. It can go lower if you don't have a college
degree or if you have very little skills.
\_ not terribly true. With less than two years of college, I was
already able to take about $50k with decent benies. granted, i
was a contracted sysadmin, but hey, it's cash.
\_ i think a decent job with a decent company will start at around
45K-50K. the ones that pay more IMO sucked...i.e. you're working
for a crappy company (like tandem), you're doing crap work (like
writing freaking printer drivers), etc...but for pretty cool C++,
java, CORBA type work that's cutting edge at a big company or a
small but very promising company...you generally get around 45K-50K
plus some stock options. that's the route that i would take.
\_ Person with MS (phd candidate) from Berkeley got 70K at my company.
Person with BS from Berkeley got 60K although he's REALLY good.
My company is big. 30,000 employees. I bet smaller companies pay
even better.
\_ How much can you expect your salary to rise in the first several
years, provided you're doing a good to excellent job.
\_ 13%, 32%, 44%, 15%.
\_ I got a $10K raise from $55K to $65K after my first year
because my company thought I did an incredible job. I think
\_ so how much are you making now d00d??3?
this kind of thing is most likely at start-ups where they
need really good engineers and the company is small enough
for people with power to realize when engineers are worth the $.
-wedge
\_ (real value) I got an 8% raise after first year in large
company (>10000)
company (>60,000 employees).
\_ 8% raise, plus another 6% "increase to match the market"
because the company realized it was paying too little ^_^
\_ I got a 1% raise after my first year!!!!! And they upgraded my
free candy from Tootsie Rolls to Hershey's Kisses!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
-foreigner
\_ Well, someone go and bug the career center to reveal what's the median
salary range for CS & EE and post it here please!! It was $45K a year
for Bachelor a year and half ago when I asked .
\_ Funny you mentioned this. When they gave me the survey, I wrote
down "$10,000/year PLUS A LOT OF STOCK OPTIONS!!!" I asked all of
my friends to do the same. I wonder if they really averaged
all the numbers :) In short, it's probably better to have an
industry filled with people who have real passion for
technological wonders than people who are overly money
hungry or obsessed with making over $XYZk a year -kchang
\_ i'm sure it hasn't changed that much since then
\_ They probably saw the "$10,000/year" part and filed your
survey in the "Ethnic Studies Major" folder without bothering
to look any further. That's why responses like yours don't
skew the healthy EECS numbers.
\_ 2 years ago when i graduated, i started out at 35K (june 96). at
the end of the year, i also got a 7K bonus so it came out to 42K.
in june 97, my raise after one year brought me up from 35K base
to 50K base. with bonus my salary ended up at around 55K (salary
restructured to give lower bonsuses). then 6 months later in
jan 98, i got another raise and brought me up to 60K base +
around a 10K bonus for this year. i also cashed in on my
stock options as the small company was acquired. got around
20K. this month, i got another raise...our raises are every six
months now and my new salary is 70K base + 15K/year salary +
more options in the new larger company that acquired us (they are
public and IPO). |
| 1998/5/12-13 [Industry/Jobs] UID:14089 Activity:low 53%like:14602 |
5/12 On campus job opening available. Pays well. See
/csua/pub/jobs/CCS for info. -saarp
\_ Nowhere near as well as the CS job above, but much less brainpower
is required for the IS&T job. |
| 1998/4/24-29 [Industry/Jobs] UID:14004 Activity:nil |
4/24 If anyone's still looking for software summer internship or a summer-
fall co-op position, especially at a startup, send resume to
mch@interwoven.com. - mch |
| 1998/4/17 [Industry/Jobs, Computer/HW/Drives] UID:13979 Activity:high |
4/17 Heard my boss said something like "tech skill is petty skill". Is that
true?
\_ To some extent. You can go to ITT Technical or Devry and learn very
specific skills, and to a lot of management and upper level people
they will not know any difference. So the answer is-- yes and no.
\_ Meaning what? People who install memory and disk drives? Yes.
People who write new apps in <insert language here>, do real
sysadmin work, or design hardware? No.
\_ I heard a similar comment saying techies were "unskilled"
I don't think he was referring to disk drive installers tho.
Corporate management does not respect tech workers (in general)
That's why they whine about the shortage on one hand and then
threaten to fire/lay you off if you don't put in 50-60 hour
weeks.
\_ Heard _my_ boss say something like "people who troll the soda motd
hoping to generate massive flames by making random derogatory
comments about tech workers suck." Is that true?
\_ _MY_ boss asked me what my biggest flaw was. I stood up, unzipped
my pants, and said "Obviously, it's not the size of my dick" |
| 1998/4/16 [Industry/Jobs, Computer/SW, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA] UID:13967 Activity:nil |
4/16 Looking for a web summer intern for Siebel Systems. Email shieh and
you can find the job desc at /csua/pub/jobs/siebel/. Thanks. |
| 1998/4/15 [Industry/Jobs] UID:13961 Activity:very high |
4/14 Can someone please give some good answers to the interview
question: "What is your biggest flaw?"
\_ Something to consider: if they're asking this sort of inane
question for a technical position, then you're applying to the
wrong place. This is a head-game question. It doesn't matter
what you answer.
\_ Ch33zy: "I work too hard" "I have a tendency to ignore my personal
life when I get challenging assignments"
\_ Why is that a flaw? - manager
\_ "I can't stand people who ask stupid rhetorical questions"
\_ It's a chance for you to hang yourself.Just make sure your
answer is positive and strengthens your case...
\_ Some wanker-manager texts use this question as a way
to see if the candidate is a BS-er and uses some crap
answer like "I work too hard" --- most consider that
sort of cheese a negative, and you don't want to work
for the ones who call it a positive.
\_ How about "I'm an honest person. For example, I don't like being told
to lie to customers." Can be a real flaw in cut-throat or sleazy
businesses. But would you really want to work for them anyway?
\-yeah, there is a head-game aspect to it, but it is a pretty
efficient question. i usually am pretty honest and just say
"i am kinda disorganized". --psb
\_ Try this - "While I am a decent public speaker, I still get
a little bit nervous when I have to go up on a stage to
speak to a large group of people." This is probably true
for many people so it is sincere and there is a good chance
the interviewer will empathize with you. Also, while the
problem may be relevant to everyday life, it is often
irrelevant for technical jobs.
\_ what a load of bullshit. Any hiring committee with a clue
will see that as an evasive answer.
\-to me this is a reasonable category of answer
but it sounds defensive and canned. "while i am decent ...".
I would just say "i dont have that much experience giving
presenatations. One of my flaws is I get very nervous speaking
to audiences i dont know or suspect are stupid. --psb
\_ A good way to answer this is something that really is a flaw
but completely irrelavent to your job, like the above.
Another good one is, "I'm sorta a klutz." psb's could also
fall in this category, depending on the position.
\_ YOU FUCKING CORPORATE SLAVES MAKE ME SICK. GET A BACKBONE.
\_ Wolves hunt in a pack. Stone age men hunt mammoth in a group.
Obviously you don't know what slavery is about.
\_ um what? I know that slaves often work on a planttation...
\_ I just don't see anything slavish about working for
a corporation or interviewing for a corporate job.
Being evaluated may be an uncomfortable experience
for many people, but if you are going to pay
someone $25 and up every hour, you want to make
sure you get the right person, and since you only
have about 5 hours to get to know the person, you
have to ask some tough questions.
\_ This kind of reasoning makes you a slave. Have a nice
life, you l00zer.
\_ And you earn how much from who for doing what?
\_ asking tough questions and asking stupid questions
are two very different things.
\_ Whether it is a tough question or stupid question
is irrelevant to whether corporate workers are
slaves which is what my argument is about. In
fact, I agree that it is a stupid question.
However, you can answer a stupid question stupidly,
or you can answer it intelligently.
\_ however it wasn't irrelevant to the comment it
was responding to. Get a fucking clue.
\_ It is irrelevant. Dumbass.
\_ I don't give very good head
\_ thats alright. one can always be trained to do it right.
\_ And I can't wait to be trained properly sir/madam! Do
I have to swallow ? manager -- "Yes you do, but don't
worry, everyone does it -- there's no other way"
\_ Just be honest. Most of time, recruiters and hiring managers
are just looking to see how self aware prospective employees are...and it works
to your benefit to accurately state your strengths and areas
for improvement to ensure for a good fit with the employer's
environment. --chris
\_ I was asked this by some random tech guy doing one of my 'views.
It was pretty clear he was only asking because he had run out of
real questions and thought that might be a cool thing to ask. :-)
I told him I hate stupid people. :-) |
| 1998/4/7 [Industry/Jobs] UID:13908 Activity:very high |
4/6 Where can I find software engineer salary surveys on-line? I've only
found URL's that say things like "send your info this way and we'll
contact you". I am preparing to negotiate with my manager. Thanks.
\_ http://www.realrates.com Contracts are also there.
\_ <DEAD>techweb.cmp.com/eet/salarysurvey/salary/salary.html<DEAD>
(EE Times 1997 salary survey)
\_ http://www.realrates.com Contracts are also there.
\_ Thanks, but that site only lists salaries by a few individuals
considering the broad range of job categories the site covers.
Is there any site that lists e.g. "The average salary for
engineers working on OS software with 4-6 years of experience in
California (or even Bay Area) is $xxxxx"? Thanks again.
\_ how about a sampling of csua'er salaries right here on the motd?
\_ I'll start: $35k, its@ucb.
\_ poor saar - dump is&t and get a real job
\_ all right, I am under paid!
\_ $17billion, bgates@m$.com
\_ 89k industry
\_ 60k industry
\_ 75k midwest industry
\_ $20/hour!!!! Excited Taos Newbie!!!
\_ That's bullshit. No way Taos would pay only $20/hr
to someone with real world SysAdmin or webdev
experience and/or knowledge. And..if you've got
4+ years of meaningful experience, you're gonna
get a whole lot more than that.--chris
\_ Note the word "newbie". Remember the
shitload of CSUA'ers Taos hired @ $18/hr
for Sun move team a couple years ago.
Acheive enlightenment. Taos likes to hire
people who think $20/hour is a good salary,
even if they're worth more.
\_ taos now pays only $15/hr for
sun move team, whereas the other
contracting companies pay at
least $20/hr for the same job.
\_ He said "Taos newbie". That does
not necessarily mean a newbie in the
industry.
\_ Yes it does. No one with experience
goes with Taos - many other
companies will pay them what
their worth.
\_ Such as? -curious and ignorant
\_ $100K Taos
\_ $72K Taos
\_ That translates into ~42K per year. Quite pathetic
if you do have 4-6 years of experience. And
if you don't, notice the original post was asking
salary range for a person that does have 4-6 yrs
of experience. For a Berkeley EE/CS graduate, I
would say ~80K would be reasonable.
\_ This is really funny. Bullshitters posting their
respective salaries on the motd.
\_ I know at least 3 of those are real inc. the 100k.
\_ $22.50/hr when I started Taos
$40/hr when I left
$70/hr now or about $90K on salary
Oh, and Taos will pay you as little as possible,
as will any company if you let them.
\_ Started Taos at $20/hr with no experience,
have been raised to $60K/yr after working one year
\_9" long. Oh wait, you wanted to compare salaries not ...
\_ 3" ... wide.
\_ That translates into ~42K per year. Quite pathetic
\_ you know, i realise that salaries in
high tech are generally much higher than
this, but to call $42K per year pathetic
is really unexcusable. that is a very
good salary in the real world.
if you do have 4-6 years of experience. And
if you don't, notice the original post was asking
salary range for a person that does have 4-6 yrs
of experience. For a Berkeley EE/CS graduate, I
would say ~80K would be reasonable. |
| 1998/3/9-11 [Computer/SW/RevisionControl, Industry/Jobs] UID:13780 Activity:very high 72%like:13791 |
3/9 What is ISO 9002 certification and why does everyone brag about
it?
\_ ISO 9002 is yet another ISO 9000 quality standard.
everybody brags about it because nobody knows exactly
what it is. -muchandr
\ Most companies get it since ISO 9000 cert. is required to
sell software in europe.
\_ ISO 9000 certification has to do with making sure all your
processes are documented, and that each document has a revision
history and an owner. They come in and ask you how you
accomplish your job, then ask you to show them the documentation
that coincides with your explanation. It's actually not just
marketing hype, it's something that most organizations should
be doing anyway, but don't. -tom
\_ given the way most (large, especially) companies deal
with the requirements of ISO 9000, it *is* marketing
hype. They pay thousands of dollars once a year to
make sure they pass the compliance test, rather than
spending a few thousand to really make it part of
their business. That, and it's pretty meaningless
for software development.
\_ I actually did an ISO 9000 certification at a large company
(GE), and you have no clue what you're talking about. -tom
\_ I was ISO 9000 deputy for my department for two years,
Tom, and I did (passed) two certs. The above is at
least accurate for IBM Austin. If GE bought into the
spirit of ISO, great, but "results are not typical"
(note what Scott Adams said about it), especially in
software development. I do agree that the concept is
good in theory, though. -tsang
\_ But you're arguing with Tom, so therefore you have no clue
what the fuck you're talking about, QED. Because his
particular experience with the ISO 9000 process was
positive, _every other_ experience _every other_ person
has with ISO, _anywhere_, _has to be_ the same as his.
\_ Gee, the first person didn't provide any experience, and
didn't sign his name. I think it's pretty clear that he
doesn't know what he's talking about. tsang apparently
has a different experience, which is not the same as
having a different, unfounded opinion. -tom
\_ first person was me, too... didn't think I'd have to
provide a resume just to provide a general opinion
(seen the ISO chapter in Dilbert Future?) -tsang |
| 1998/1/23-27 [Industry/Jobs] UID:13557 Activity:moderate |
1/23 root@cory looking for Full-Time UNIX Sysadmin (P/A III)
See <DEAD>www-inst.eecs/~kevinm/jobs.html<DEAD>
\_ How much do P/A IIIs get in salary these days anyway?
\_ I got paid $41K doing P/A II for a professor.
\_ Not enough.
\_ $45k - $82k according to http://hrweb.berkeley.edu/PAY/parate.htm
\_ Don't expect to start at 82k. As a new hire you won't
see more than 55k or so since the bozos in personel make
up the salary offer, not the hiring department.
\_ oh, come on. The same is true in any large software
co. This is a very fair price rance, esp considering
the laid back environment of a univerisity job.
doooofus.
\_ Doooofus, I work in the so-called laid back
environment of the university. It depends on the
job you've got. Many people working for Cal have
bitch jobs they're way underpaid for which is why
so many key people have left in the last 3+ years.
Also, Cal isn't a large software corp in case you
didn't notice. Also, 55k was the top end you're
likely to start at and you won't see 80k for a good
20+ years.
\_ sorry , I should have said "idiot", for staying
at a job like that. Lotsa jobs at UC are pretty laid
back, and u get more than 55k. Sorry for the confusion. |
| 1998/1/23 [Industry/Jobs] UID:13554 Activity:high |
1/22 Maybe I should hire some of my own interns this summer...
\_ No wonder the co-op girl I worked with last summer was hired.
She's hired juz cuz she's pretty and my boss prefered talking 2 her
even though she knew jack shit 'bout the project.
\_ but did she swallow?
\_ No shit, genius. How do you think the world works? On pure
merit? HAHAHHAHAHHAHAH!!!!!!
\_ I find this discussion extremely degrading to women. Typical
soda geeks - pretend to be nice in real life but degrade
women anonymously - female on soda.
\_ you're an idiot. Soda geeks degrade women in real life too. |
| 1997/3/28 [Recreation/Dating, Industry/Jobs] UID:32113 Activity:nil |
3/27 hello, bigbook mass layoffs. web worker mass suicide. coincidence?
new novel plot? you decide. --partha "pynchon" banerjee
\_ Don't remove my comments about suggesting the Taos minions kill
themselves just like those SD geeks did; it's impolite.
\_ Did, by chance, 39 employees get laid off by Bigbook and move
to San Diego? -John
\_ They had BB options. Now redeemable for Mc Donalds gift
certificates!!
\_ Not one female... talk about discriminatory.
\_ Actually, in some of the bigger companies, HR postprocesses
the layoff roll to make sure disadvantaged minorities are
not disproportionately targeted. Theoretically, this is a
good thing. Practically, this means disadvantaged minorities
are much less likely to get laid off than advantaged minorities
or majorities.
\_Actually, there were several females but htey shaved their
heads and looked like men. Also, they were strangled which
counts as murder in San Diego.
\_ http://www.heavensgate.com ==> Too many users. Please try again later.
\_http://www5.zdnet.com/yil/higher/heavensgate
\_ Oh my god, I believe that Do and Dr. Kevorkian are brothers!!!
\_ Come join the engineering cult! Spend the rest of your life
in Soda Hall, doing projects! Free your soul with your innate
nerdiness!!! |
| 1996/12/21 [Politics/Domestic, Industry/Jobs] UID:32022 Activity:nil |
12/20 One word: Ebonics
\_ The Oakland school board's attempt to provide better conformity
to the standardized English by using ESL techniques and funding
may have some serious political fallout. In particular if
Ebonics is recognized as seperate language, it provides an
objective criterion for racists to exclude blacks at hiring
time: "we require all our employees to speak English" -mel
\_ Hey--until you hypocrites remove the jive program from this
machine, none of you are in any position to comment on what
K-12 teachers are trying to do with Black English. --elizp
\_ I think 'none of you' is singular in standard written
English - choice
\_ Only in the American dialects. Most English, Indian,
and Australian dialects use the plural for collectors
(e.g. "the audience are") -mel
\_ The jive program is the closest thing to a serious study
of Black English on this system. You should look into its
code and development before you condemn it. -mel
\_ get a fucking clue. The "jive" program is not provided
as an educational tool. idiot.
\_ Aye, I don't think anyone here suggested using Jive to
proofread their paper for them.
\_ I think elizp suggested that because we have Jive, we
are not in a position to comment on teaching ebonics. That's
just absurd.
\_ Censorship man. It's groovy.
\_ Ebonics math: 1 gat + 2 gats done be 3 gats done be pappappap
shootin' da man wid.
\_ Brutha' gots 3 vials o' crack. Brutha sells the crack for 20
bucks/vial. How many dead presidents do he gots after he sells
all of his crack?
\_ Word, muthafukah! |
| 1996/11/16 [Industry/Jobs] UID:32007 Activity:nil |
11/14 job openings at Drogin, Kakigi & Associates, see:
/usr/local/csua/jobs/dkstat/
http://www.dkstat.com/employment |
| 1996/11/13 [Industry/Jobs, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA] UID:32002 Activity:nil |
11/11 Shameless job advertising in /usr/local/csua/jobs/NetForce
At the moment we need sysadmin-types, but there are many
positions available. - pmcnab
\ chmod it!
\_ Done. Been a long week already. - pmcnab |
| 1996/11/4 [Industry/Jobs] UID:31988 Activity:nil |
11/2 Full-time and part-time software engineering positions in the area
of multimeda networking avaiable at Concatus Corporation.
See /usr/local/csua/jobs/concatus for details. |
| 1996/10/6 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA, Industry/Jobs, Computer/SW] UID:31922 Activity:nil 50%like:32076 |
10/2 Sysadmin position available at Active Software, inc. See:
/usr/local/csua/jobs/Active -eric
\_ I checked with our chairman, and the position includes equity
in the company -eric |
| 1996/9/29 [Science, Industry/Jobs] UID:31908 Activity:nil |
9/26 Co-op position for spring semester for a cs major who is familiar with
visual basic and excel. Not a buff job, but good for a first time
intern experience. Oh, yeah, the company is HMT Technology.
Mail me if you're interested. -corinney |
| 1994/2/14-22 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA, Industry/Jobs] UID:31478 Activity:nil 55%like:31497 |
2/10 Please add your resume's to the CSUA resume' book!
The sooner you get it in, the more people will see it. Also,
you might want to submit one, even if you are not looking for a job,
just to get your name out. submissions and questions to
resume-submit@soda |
| 1994/2/8 [Industry/Jobs] UID:36432 Activity:nil |
2/7 I understand that it would be nice to have a resume' book
of as many CSUA'ers as we can get. Well, I just finished
updating my own resume', and I suppose I'd be willing to
collect resume's eventually leading to a cool looking book.
Send your resume's (any form) to marco@soda, and I'll include them.
\_ kewl! You're officially in charge! - seidl
\_ So, marco, what will you be doing with these resume's? |
| 1993/5/26-28 [Computer/SW/Security, Industry/Jobs] UID:31330 Activity:nil |
5/19 Berkeley Systems, Inc (makers of the AfterDark screen saver) is looking
for a full-time assistant in their Access products group -- products
to make computers accessable by vision-impaired users. Complete
details in ~dwallach/bsi.job |
| 1993/4/19 [Recreation/Food, Academia/GradSchool, Industry/Jobs] UID:31278 Activity:nil |
4/18 Xxxx xxxx food? Xxxx to win an XX calculator? Xxxx to
here from an XXX recruiter? Xxxx to hear about grad school.
Then come to XXXXX's X-XXX. This thursday. See ~xxxxx/public/spac. |
| 11/23 |