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| 2013/4/17-5/18 [Health/Disease/AIDS, Health/Disease/General] UID:54659 Activity:nil |
4/17 Just a thought. Say we select a small percentagle of the population
(e.g. 100000 people) with representations from all walks of life
(scientists, engineers, doctors, chefs, plumbers, nannies, ...) except
bad guys, transport them to a distant earth-like planet with abundant
natural resources, and take away all man-made objects (machines,
clothes, books, medicines, all tools, ...) How long will it take for
them to re-build a civilization when all they have is the knowledge
stored in their brains?
\_ Less than 100 years, IMO.
\_ history proves that mankind almost always self-destructs
in a large scale until the advent of nuclear weapons. Also,
more likely than not, a new disease will come out and wipe
out a large % of the population. Without the continued production
and research in diseases, those 100,000 people will be reduced
really quickly.
\_ But that hasn't happened since we learned about germs and how
diseases are actually transmitted, which these 100k would know.
\_ you underestimate the amount of resources (man + hours)
to setup a lab, which can only be done in a very stable
country with abundance of resources.
\_ All you need is soap, clean water and a good way to
dispose of human waste. But even getting that going
is pretty hard, as anyone who has been to a 3rd
world contry can attest to.
\_ try to find vaccine for H1N1 or drugs for AIDS with
100,000 people, most of which will not be doing
research or making microscopes and computers
and such. It takes just one new strand of disease
to wipe out huge populations.
\_ I would be more worried about the ancient killers:
cholera, tyhpus, typhoid ferver and dysentary. It
is possible that they 100k could be screened, but
soemthing would most likely slip through.
something would most likely slip through.
\_ I don't think they would in any reasonable amount of time. They
might get to the bronze age before they forgot everything but that
would be about it. Getting to the steam engine from scratch is
just too hard. Most of them would die off pretty quickly unless
you included lots and lots of people who were experienced hunters,
fishermen and farmers. In subsistance economies, almost everyone
has to focus on just generating enough food.
\_ as pointed it, its goign to depend alot on the availability of
natural resources. Worst case you drop them in an inhospitable
desert and they all die in a few days. How fast they advance
is going to be a huge function of how much of their time is spent
spent surviving.
\- It is also possible 100k people isnt enough genetic diversity
to avoid interbreeding -> propagating bad recessive traits.
I dunno if there are any good examples of island/isolated
populations of this size with reasonable medical care [so you're
not getting people dyning of simple infections etc]. --psb |
| 2011/4/22-7/13 [Consumer/CellPhone, Health/Disease/AIDS] UID:54093 Activity:nil |
4/22 Costco is selling "Bluetooth Capable Premium Digital Hearing Aids" for
$1999.99 a pair. My Bluetooth cell phone headset is maybe $30 for one
ear. Why does hearing aid cost so much?
\_ Medical insurance?
\_ Does $2000-your medical deductible = $30?
\_ How come insurance companies allow such rip-offs?
\_ They're partnered with the BCPDHA company. |
| 2011/3/31-4/20 [Health/Disease/AIDS, Health/Disease/General, Computer/SW/Virus] UID:54067 Activity:nil |
3/21 what are these virus phages? Can they be repurposed?
\_ are you <b>insane?</b> you really want to start messing with
recombinant <ul>rna</ul> crap when we don't even understand
the normal virus lifecycle? |
| 2009/2/12-18 [Health/Disease/AIDS] UID:52563 Activity:nil |
2/12 An AIDS/HIV cure via a bone-marrow transplant:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,491509,00.html |
| 11/23 |
| 2008/11/10-26 [Health/Disease/AIDS, Reference/Tax, Finance/Investment] UID:51901 Activity:nil |
11/10 lolz when your 401k is gone, heroin will look pretty attractive
http://www.lectlaw.com/files/drg23.htm
\_ Hardly, that crap's expensive! Now, crank maybe...
\_ shooting heroin leaves you VERY constipated. seriously.
sometimes when i shoot junk i don't have to shit for 2 weeks. |
| 2008/10/14-15 [Health/Disease/AIDS] UID:51523 Activity:nil |
10/14 I don't understand this whole AIDS walk BS. Instead of saying
"I'm going to walk X miles, can you donate $1 per mile?" why
don't they just simplify it and say "Give me whatever $ you got"?
Why make it so complex? Sheesh
\_ Because charity events get more people involved in asking for
money. Duh. -tom |
| 2008/10/2-6 [Health/Disease/AIDS] UID:51345 Activity:nil |
10/1 Guess that "CIA created it" theory is shot:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20081001/sc_nm/us_aids_origin_5
\_ Someone better tell Obama.
\_ And why, pray tell, is that?
\_That's one of Rev. Wright's talking points.
\_ You're a troll at best, and an idiot regardless. |
| 2008/4/14-19 [Health/Disease/AIDS, Health/Men] UID:49747 Activity:kinda low |
4/14 Political correctness over science
http://csua.org/u/l9y
\_ I think you have it exactly backwards; the Red Cross' position is
\_ I think you have it exactly backwards; the FDA's position is
fear-mongering over science. -tom
\_ Oh, classification as high-risk isn't science?
\_ All blood is tested. The vast majority of gay men are HIV-.
\_ How good is the test? What is the percentage of men who
have sex with men who have HIV compared to percentage of
men who don't have sex with men?
\_ The test is good enough that the Red Cross and
America's Blood Centers call the FDA's policy
"medically and scientifically unwarranted." But
feel free to keep digging. -tom
\_ So you don't know the comparative percentages?
\_ Keep digging. -tom
\_ "The FDA said HIV tests currently in use are
highly accurate, but still cannot detect the
virus 100 percent of the time."
\_ How accurate is it?
\_ Maybe they did a cost-benefit analysis of whether the
increase in infections due to false negatives from a higher
risk population outweighs the benefit of the extra blood.
How often do HIV tests give false negatives?
\_ Maybe you're talking out of your ass.
\_ I would be astonished if any kind of real risk analysis was
done. Just like most things in our society, it is all a result
of pandering to the worst instincts in people.
\_ Eh, the Red Cross got burned very badly in the 80's on
HIV. People dying from blood donations is not cool. I
can understand why they're touchy about it. They are very
touchy about a lot of other things as well, visiting
prostitutes, traveling through malaria infested areas,
any possible exposure to hepetitis, feeling even SLIGHTY
under the weather, etc.
\_ The Red Cross thinks the policy should be changed. -tom
\_ African American men are 8x more likely to have HIV
than white males.
African American women are over 18x more likely to
have HIV than white females.
( http://www.whitehouse.gov/onap/facts.html )
Would you be ok with the Red Cross saying if you are
black you can't give blood?
\_ Oh man. You're asking this on the motd? Here we
go...
\_ Your numbers don't really say anything, but I'll
wager that even at 18x the rate of whites,
it's still not 'high-risk' the way gay men are.
If blacks are high-risk, then sure. Giving blood
is not a right, it's not even a privilege.
Addendum: according to a 1994-2000 study, about 10%
of Men who have sex with men have HIV. That's a
pretty huge risk.
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5205a2.htm
\_ That same survey claims HIV among african
americans is even higher. I think that you are
extrapolating bad data though. It's not saying
10% of all gay men have HIV.
\_ No, the study refers to black men in the
survey, not among Blacks generally.
\_ I think you mean black gay/bi men.
\_ Doesn't it say about 10% of men they tested
and interviewed 'who attended MSM-identified
venues?' I guess that is sort of self-selected.
Go ahead and find some better data.
\_ The whitehouse fact sheet says there are ~900k
HIV cases in america. There are more than 9
million men who have had sex with men.
\_ How many MSM are there in the US?
\_ Even so, about 70% of new AIDS cases are
due to MSM contact. Given that this is
also a realitively small section of the
population, that makes it THE high risk
behavior. (They also include high-risk
heterosexual contact and IV drug use as
people who can't give blood.)
http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/msm/resources/factsheets/msm.htm
\_ None of this discussion above approaches a real
cost-benefit analaysis, but at least it is a
discussion about what the real risk is. How many
people catch diseases today due to blood
transfusions? What would that percentage look like
if gay men were allowed to donate? How much is
the cost of the additional diseases? How much does
it cost the country to have the reduced blood
supply? You would have to answer all these
questions (and probably some more) before you
could do a real risk analysis. Simply being
risk adverse is not the same thing. Most people
are sheep and terrified of shit that is never
going to happen to them, like terrorism.
\_ Unless you're one of the people killed by it
or knows someone who was. But that'll never
happen. Bad stuff only happens to other
people.
\_ Or unless you're one of the people killed
because of a blood shortage. Risk works
both ways. -tom
\_ Is there any evidence that excluding
certain high risk groups will result in
a blood shortage or are you just talking
out of your ass again?
\_ I am sure that it costs money. How
much money? Has anyone actually
bothered to do the calculation?
much, we will never know, because
fear, not logic, rules the human
heart.
\_ If you are that fearful, how do you ever
gather the courage to leave your house in
the morning? I am sure your chances of dying
in a car accident on the way to work are
much greater than any risk caused by tainted
blood. You are one of the sheep I was
referring to earlier. Your masters have
told you to be fearful and you bleat
approvingly, not even understanding why.
\_ Wow, perfect example of someone who
has lost trying to regain some face.
Sadly, you've failed.
\_ People are poor gaugers of risk, that's well
known. I bet you are to, do you think
swimming is a good idea?
Anyway, to respond to the only intelligent
thing you said, if you want to know, why not
ask the Red Cross? Seems more effective than
trolling the motd. I know they have some
numbers on tainted blood. They check
carefully to make sure a donor does not have
a cold, for example. Why? Because many
people receiving blood have suppressed
immune systems. They could certainly tell
you if there is a serious blood shortage that
people die from. (I doubt it)
As for a real risk analysis, I bet part of
the answer is that the PR aspect would result
in more deaths than actually tainted blood
would. It only takes one case to get people
into a tizzy, and some people would refuse
blood because they wouldn't trust the
FDA to have correctly analyzed and advertised
the real risks.
\_ I get paid to do risk analysis, so at least
someone thinks I am good at it. If nothing
else, I have more experience at it than
most people. Colds are common and hard
to screen for, HIV is neither. I am glad to
see that you are at least starting to come
around to my main point: the only thing we
have to fear is fear itself. And rather than
reassure people, the Red Cross just pandered
to the fear-mongering. So it goes.
else, I have more experience than most.
Colds are common and hard to screen for,
HIV is neither. I am glad to see that you
are at least starting to come around to
my main point: the only thing we have to
fear is fear itself. And rather than
reassure people, the Red Cross just
pandered to the fear-mongering. So it goes.
\_ I see you still can't provide any
evidence to back up your speculation.
The opposing debators have provided
quite a bit of evidence that doesn't
100% answer your question, but does
show that a reasonable risk exists.
I don't want to hear your useless
blather, put up or shut up.
\_ No, they have not provided any
hard evidence for their opinions
whatsover. Here, read this and get
back to me:
http://www.nap.edu/catalog.php?record_id=4989
"it appears at this time that the
risk of possible transfusion-
associated AIDS is on the order of
one case per million patients
transfused. There is a risk that
widespread attempts to direct
donations, while not increasing the
safety of transfusions, will seriously
disrupt the nation's blood donor
system."
(Page 74)
\_ "The Red Cross thinks the policy
should be dropped." |
| 2008/2/21-25 [Health/Disease/AIDS, Health/Skin] UID:49209 Activity:nil |
2/21 There is a sore on my groin. Is it herpes?
\_ If you bike a lot, it'll go away.
\_ I am pretty sure that no one licensed to practice medicine posts
to the motd. Go see a doctor.
\_ I think there is one.
\_ There are a lot of things it could be. It probably isn't herpes,
but you should definitely get the sore examined before it goes away
to be sure. If you don't have insurance, there are plenty of free
clinics that offer this service.
\_ i thought herpes gave you this IMMEDIATE FIERY WHITE SORE
OF DEATH LEAKING HERPES INFESTED FLUID DOWN MY LEG INTO
MY DRESS SHOES INFECTING ALL I COME IN CONTACT WITH
ON THE SUBWAY, but my symptom is this little annoying bump.
No fluid (yet). No scab (yet). Just sitting there.
I don't know what it is.
\_ Sheesh. calm down dude. It's not AIDS
\_ You have smallpox. No big deal.
\_ smallpox guy nuked my post, but anyway... you could have
this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molluscum_contagiosum
which isn't really that big of a deal. You might have
genital warts. You might have a couple of other dozen
things. You might even have herpes, which has enormous
variability in symptoms. Mostly, you need to get yourself
to the clinic and stop ranting on the motd. You'll be
fine. Get a hold of yourself.
\_ Woah thats gnarly.
\_ What, molluscum? Nah. Clinics don't even bother
to treat it, since it has no ill health effects,
causes no pain or irritation, and tends to
go away on its own without recurrence. There's
also no evidence that condoms do much to help
prevent its spread, since it can be transmitted just
by skin contact. If he has it and he's really freaked
out about it, he can get a doctor to freeze the bump(s)
off.
\_ I used to have this on my lower body (from stomach down)
for more than ten years. It came and went by itself.
Neither betadine nor permangenate helped. Then it
mysteriously stopped a few years ago, and I have no idea
why.
\_ Yeah, it's an odd one. Children get it on their faces
a lot as well. Essentially the virus is in the papule,
and contact spreads it. The reason it came and went
is that molluscum has a high tendency to "self-infect"
- i.e., you rub the bump on your lower stomach, then
rub some other part of your stomach and pretty soon
you've got two bumps. And like you said, it just seems
to go away by itself. This isn't the same mechanism
as herpes recurrence, however.
\_ My symptoms do not look like
http://www.herpes-coldsores-treatment-pictures.com
but the 'weird pimple shows up once, then another a few weeks
later' bit does.
but the 'weird pimple shows up once, then another a few
weeks later' bit does.
\_ You sound like you have molluscum for sure. You should
get a doctor to check it out, and maybe freeze the bumps
off if you're really concerned.
\_ Sounds like syphilis to me.
\_ key word: usually |
| 2007/12/4-7 [Recreation/Dating, Health/Disease/AIDS] UID:48742 Activity:kinda low |
12/4 1968 on the History Channel. Don't miss it.
\_ what was so great about 1968?
\_ the most memorable turbulent times for those who lived it.
\_ which includes how many people here?
\_ My uncle tells me about 1968. Freedom of expression,
free love, free joints. Lots of sex. Oh, those were
the days.
\_ Sounds very much like 2007. And I need to watch
smelly people do it in 1968?
\_ No. AIDS and condoms pretty much ruined the idea
of free sex, with anyone, anywhere, any time. |
| 2007/9/25-27 [Health/Disease/AIDS, Health/Disease/General] UID:48182 Activity:very high |
9/25 So, anyone know offhand *why* healthcare costs are going up
at 3x inflation? What is driving this insane inflation in
health costs? Are health costs snowballing because more and
more are uninsured, forcing the fewer and fewer insured to
pay more and more to cover the uninsured? If so, is this
a government-created crisis, because hospitals by law cannot
turn away those without health insurance, and so they *must*
screw their fewer and fewer remaining paying customers?
*Where is all that money going?* --PeterM
\_ You are a scientist, Peter. Pretend American healthcare is a
natural system. What experiments would you set up to figure this
out? -- ilyas
\_ [serious callers only]
out? [Have something to contribute other than a retarded troll and
you won't be deleted.] -- ilyas
\_ Self follow-on--some claim doctors are receiving the
lion's share of the increase in cost as salary. Is that
true? Are we being driven bankrupt by a lot of greedy
fucking doctors? Or are they merely responding to
increased malpractice costs? --PeterM
\_ It's not going to doctors who, on an hourly basis, make less
now than doctors did 30 years ago. Most doctors have had to
see a lot more patients to keep their salaries flat. Doctors
say that the money is going to the HMOs. It should be easy
to verify that by looking at their profits. My guess is that
\_ Not necessarily, it could be the 'dead hand' effect. -- ilyas
the money is going to more expensive and complicated procedures
like MRIs and heary bypass surgery that were almost unheard
like MRIs and heart bypass surgery that were almost unheard
of in the 1970s and which are now extremely common. Valve
transplants, chemotherapy, and the like are very expensive.
Some procedures have been made cheaper with, for example,
laproscopy, but there are so many new ones and the technology
and drugs are expensive. Before health costs were cheaper
because you *died*. Now medicine can keep you alive for a
large fee.
\_ i just heard it was to fund the bureaucracy that is American
health care
\_ Hint: what causes inflation?
\_ Answer: increase in the money supply. There is more money
chasing after the services. Now, why is there more money doing
this?
\_ People don't want to die. For most it's worth it to pay
$1000/month in insurance to avoid dying when you need
that $150K surgery. Some treatments (like for HIV) cost
in excess of $1M.
\_ I'm not sure I agree with your explanation. Yes, people
don't want to die, and there is more money chasing
services, but isn't that because people are living much
longer, and, generally speaking, older individuals need
more medical care and have more money to pay for it?
-dans
\_ "need more medical care" = "not wanting to die"
No one *needs* medical care. It may not seem like a
conscious choice, but it is. Examine how people
respond when faced with a terminal illness. Some
people choose to go home and die quietly. Others
choose to spend thousands and thousands of dollars
on treatment that probably won't help. More people
are choosing to use expensive medical services and
that is why they are living longer. Of course,
there is a cost to doing so - a cost that a whole
society seems willing to bear so far, although I
think we are getting close to the breaking point.
\_ Um, by your rationale, no one needs food. I find
your viewpoint to be either exceptionally stupid or
exceptionally crass. Also, terminal illnesses are,
by definition, uncurable. The current attitude
toward treating terminal illnesses isn't one of
trying to cure them, but of trying to provide a
patient with an acceptable level of quality of life.
This need not be expensive, e.g., morphine is cheap.
-dans
\_ You think that we are not trying to treat/cure
terminal illnesses like AIDS and cancer? Get over
your gut-level reaction to my response and read
what I am saying, which is that people are choosing
expensive medical care versus dying. Do you
dispute that? The reason people did not
choose that medical care before is because it
did not exist. That doesn't mean it needs to
exist. Just because some people have Ferraris
doesn't mean we all are entitled to one. BTW,
we don't need medical care like we need food.
It's perfectly possible to live to 60-70-80
years old without ever seeing a doctor. People a
century ago lived that long and longer - maybe
not as many of them, but that's life. Medicine is
extending lives and that is very much a choice
people make.
people make. My gf's grandma had a valve
transplant at 87 years old. She's now 93. 100
years ago she'd be dead, but society said
it's worth $150K (or whatever) to give her
another 5-10 years of life.
\_ Thank you for proving my point. -dans
\_ Medical care is a human right. -dans
\_ No.
\_ From the UN Declaration of Human Rights:
Article 25.
\_ This document is a joke, and is
even self-conflicting.
See Article 17
\_ Kindly cite a document you deem
to be worthy of your eminence.
-dans
(1) Everyone has the right to a standard
of living adequate for the health and
well-being of himself and of his family,
including food, clothing, housing and
medical care and necessary social
services, and the right to security in
the event of unemployment, sickness,
disability, widowhood, old age or other
lack of livelihood in circumstances
beyond his control.
Your welcome to disagree, but, as I said
earlier this makes you either a) stupid
or b) an asshole. -dans
\_ Figuring out what is a human right is
a problem for philosophers, not
something you leave up for the UN to
define. Fuck the UN. -- ilyas
\_ The American notion of human rights
tends to be more along the lines of
what's outlined in our Declaration of
Independence. Specifically, I'm
thinking of "Life, liberty, and the
pursuit of happiness." What you're
talking about is guaranteeing the
success of an individual's pursuit
of happiness. This is a popular
notion with the political left, and
I appreciate that they have the best
of intentions, but their intent is
not sufficient to transform success
into a natural human right.
\_ I'm an American. What gives you
the right to generalize about the
"American" notion of human rights?
Furthermore, the idea that human
rights differ from one nationality
to the next is spectacularly
stupid. And, no, I'm not talking
about guaranteeing the successful
pursuit of happiness, I'm talking
about the pursuit of *life*.
Also, line originally read "Life,
liberty, and the pursuit of
property", but that doesn't read
as well. -dans
\_ I'm the pp and I am not the
person who wrote "No". However, I
agree to the extent that a
minimal level of healthcare is a
right. That doesn't mean all
healthcare is a right.
\_ I disagree because I think a right
cannot be something that must be
supplied by someone else. Since someone
must provide health care, it cannot
be a right.
\_ Well, everything is provided by
someone else. Food, clothing, clean
water, etc. Police/fire/security
is also provided by someone else.
\_no. liberty can be taken by
someone, but it is not "provided"
see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_and_positive_rights
\_ I wouldn't call any of those things
you list rights. Free speech, and
bearing arms are rights, food is
not.
see
http://urltea.com/1l4s (wikipedia)
\_ I wouldn't call any of those
things you list rights. Free
speech, and bearing arms are
rights, food is not.
\_ Apparently you don't really
understand the concept of
Human Rights. -dans
\_ What is "adequate" medical care? As
has been mentioned, there is virtually
no limit to what could be spent in
medical efforts. Perhaps it should be
the right to *access* medical care.
(I also don't think the "right to
housing" is implemented in this
country. Maybe I didn't get the memo.)
\_ That we as a society and a species
fail to implement the ideal of
human rights does not mean we
should not strive to do so. -dans
\_right. But the fact that striving
to provide "positive" rights often
results in a net loss of rights,
should give us pause in our do-gooder
zeal. See _The Road to Smurfdom_
by F.A. Hayek. -phuqm
\_ right. But the fact that
striving to provide "positive"
rights often results in a net
loss of rights, should give us
pause in our do-gooder zeal.
See _The Road to Smurfdom_ by
F.A. Hayek. -phuqm
\_ Um, no. -dans
\_ I disagree because I think a right
cannot be something that must be
supplied by someone else. Since someone
must provide health care, it cannot
be a right.
\_ Well, everything is provided by
someone else. Food, clothing, clean
water, etc. Police/fire/security
is also provided by someone else.
\_no. liberty can be taken by
someone, but it is not "provided"
see
http://urltea.com/1l4s (wikipedia)
\_ I wouldn't call any of those
things you list rights. Free
speech, and bearing arms are
rights, food is not.
\_ Apparently you don't really
understand the concept of
Human Rights. -dans
\_ No, I just think mixing up
things that must be provided (medical care) with things that just
shouldn't be taken away (freedoms) is a very basic cognative mismatch.
Certainly everyone having food and medical care is a good thing, but
they are not rights. You can disagree, but it's evidence that you can't
reason clearly. A problem I see a lot these days.
\_ It seems there's lots of mixing from all sides. You're equating
"rights" and "freedoms". Rights are what the social contract allows
one to justly claim. As such, I personally believe access to health
care and education should be defined as "rights" in this wealthy
country of ours. Freedom is an interesting word. The realm of free
men. Hmm.. Check FDR's four freedoms speech. There's a lot more
muddiness than you seem willing to admit. You're treading into
"what are we as a nation" territory with blinders on. --scotsman
\_ Who said anything about restricting this to our nation?
\_ Well, as you're claiming medical care isn't a right, you're
not talking about most of Europe, or even most of the
developed world, other than US. Do you know what you're
saying? --scotsman
\_ Insurance and gov't funded medicare/aid is funneling
tons of money into health care. The 3rd party payer is
making sure no one knows how much anything costs. Only
now with HSAs are we encouraging people to pay attention
to costs. Some of the money is going to administrative
costs of dealing with insurance/medicare reimbursement.
\_ You think medicare is less transparent than HMOs
and medical insurance companies? How much of
Medicare spending would you say goes to
administrative costs?
\_ Medicare is significantly more transparent than
private health insurance plans/companies.
Medicare's administrative costs are exceptionally
low, i.e. under 5%. This is all well documented,
and can be easily verified with a simple google
search. -dans (not pp)
\_ Have you ever actually known anyone on MC? I
do. I'd rather have the opaque HMO/POS/PPO
system.
\_ Transparancy isn't the issue. It's the issue of
knowing what insurance/medicare will or won't
cover, submitting requests for reimbursement, etc.
\_ How or why is this an issue? Yeah, insurance
could be less complex/more user friendly but,
it's not that complicated. Filing an
insurance claim is certainly no more complex
than filing taxes, and most people seem
capable of doing that. -dans
\_ LOL! Re: Taxes
My neighbor is a doctor and when his
stay-at-home wife finally decided to
help out in the office she found
thousands of dollars in claims that had
not been paid to him. There's a lot of
following up that has to be done and
the process is VERY complicated. He has
a staff of maybe 4 people to handle
this for his practice, which has 3
other partners, and his wife (who has a
vested interest in it and thus did a
better job than the staff did) found all
of this mess. Have you ever had a major
illness? If you have you'd know that even
the people billing you have no idea what you
do or do not owe. It takes months or even
years for it all to be sorted out and
even then there's probably still money
on the table that no one bothers tracking.
It's a big game where the insurance
company refuses to pay until you retain a
lawyer (more $$$) and they can have
their doctors examine you and so on.
\_ I'm sorry, but you're just wrong. The
situation where you need to hire a
lawyer to get your insurance to pay out
is an abberation. It is not the norm.
Either that or your insurance carrier
just sucks. -dans
\_ I am not saying it is the norm,
but it is common if you have big
medical bills. Have you ever had
big medical bills, especially
from an emergency (where approvals
and such were not done beforehand
and you go to the hospital the
ambulance takes you to)? If not,
you are the one who is wrong. If
so, do tell. I have personal
experience with this and when my
old employer changed medical
plans (to one that sucked) we had
an open forum where I heard
stories you've probably never
dreamed of. One guy was paying $800
per month out of pocket for his own
diabetes treatment *with insurance*
because it was "pre-existing" and
that coverage took a year to kick in.
I think you only know from
healthy 20something s/w engineer
who uses Kaiser HMO to have
bloodwork done.
\_ Oh dear oh dear are you ever
wrong. I have two navels. I was
born with one. I have a pre-ex.
I know how to read an insurance
contract. What you're describing
is neither normal, nor common.
Please go read some actual
statistics. Incidentally, you do
realize that pre-ex causes reduce
realize that pre-ex clauses reduce
what you pay as a private
individual for health care? -dans
\_ It's definitely not being eaten by doctors. Doctors' costs of
business, particularly malpractice insurance, is growing much
faster than their salaries. I have a friend who just graduated
from med school and she tells me that her net income from
practicing medicine will likely never exceed what I make writing
code for a startup. To put it mildly, this is fucked. -dans
\_ She probably will make more, even accounting for the costs
of medical school, but she won't pull ahead until very late
in her career. The nice thing about being a doctor is that
at 70 you can still see a few patients and make $80K/year
while I doubt you will be coding at that age. However, your
comment about insurance is correct. Lawyers pay about
$13K/year for malpractice insurance, but OB/GYN pay about
$100K/year. Critics would point out that doctors in the US still
make more than doctors anywhere else in the world, though,
even accounting for these expenses. BTW, why do you think
it's "fucked" that you make more than a doctor? You are both
professionals providing services society wants. I think it's
fucked that doctors make 3-4x what nurses make. It's not
like your friend is going to have a bad life or anything.
\_ Free market efficiency!
If we had socialized medicine, we'd be paying 10x for lower quality!
\_ So what it seems like to me, is that insurance policies need
to severely limit the upper end of heroic medical measures
they'll cover, and who they'll cover them for. No heart
transplants for 55-year-old males with liver disease. But yes
to emergency care for a 20-year-old in a car wreck, provided
that care won't produce a $100k/yr vegetable to care for?
No, to lifelong $1M/year drug regimens, but yes, to insulin?
\_ And who are *you* to decide who lives and dies?
\_ Is this a serious question? To answer anyway:
I'm one of the decreasing number of people who pays
insurance and so covers the cost of heroic medicine.
Seems like I should have some say into how that
money is applied?
\_ No. Really, the idea that you are some how propping up
the system with your payments is an illusion. -dans
\_ Whose payments are propping it up if not yours,
mine, and his?
\_ Magic government money.
\_ It should be decided by capacity to pay. If that's not
"fair" then what is fair? Is it worth $100B to keep the
Pope/President/your uncle alive? $300B? $3T? At what point do
you say "Just let the guy die?". It's unpleasant to think
about, but it really comes down to dollars and cents and a
life does have a value placed on it.
\_ Agreed that it sould be decided by capacity to pay. That's
not the same as insurance companies "severely" limiting it.
\_ I would say the the standard of care has skyrocketed. All those devices,
drugs, trained people, complex procedures, throw-away sterile materials,
operating rooms, MRIs, fiber-optic cameras. And most of it is just
accepted as "the norm". It goes way beyond just keeping people alive
and comparing total money spent vs. life expectancy. We pamper ourselves,
and it's in the health care industry's interest to do so.
Washing your hands and taking an aspirin would probably get the job done,
but you "have a right to the best healthcare available."
It's a vicious cycle of madness, and we're all part of it.
\_ Would any of you all believe that I didn't post my question
as a troll? I really wanted to know. Unfortunately, I don't
think the motd provided real clarity. Perhaps I was a fool
to ask. The study I Googled (and commented on above) made
the claim that most of the increase has gone into doctor's
salaries. To dans: I don't believe the economic wherewhithal
exists on the planet to provide everyone with heroic Western
style medical care. I doubt that the economic wherewithal
\_ Western style medical care really isn't that heroic. 'First do
no harm' is an ideological core value of Western medical
education, and this means doctors are trained to be skeptical
of heroic procedures with low odds of successful outcome /
medical heroics in general. -dans
exists to provide even basic medical care to everyone. It
seems insane to define "what cannot be provided" as a right.
And what about the right to keep the fruits of your labor?
That's in **direct** competition with any universal
entitlement to any product or service. We should keep
"rights" restricted to equal
opportunities (freedom) rather than entitlements. As an
extreme, if someone has a "right" to medical care, then
someone else--whether he wants to or not, must provide
that care. Doctors as slaves? --PeterM
\_ To simply put, cost rise is associated with the rise of
new medicines and new treatments, and American's attitude
of "I deserve the best treatment." Many years ago we didn't
have advanced MRI and other expensive drugs which we all
are now paying for.
\_ Please provide evidence to support your questionable
claims. When you say 'we are paying for', do you mean
'we are paying for through insurance coverage' or 'we
are paying for out of pocket'? -dans
\_ You were very free to call people "stupid" or "assholes"
above for not agreeing that people have a right to
medical care. Now, this guy said that we are paying
for medical care. He's right. There's no free lunch.
Insurance premiums come out of our pocket. What
distinction are you trying to make to invalidate his
claim that "we are paying for"?
\_ Any study that concludes that the money went to the doctors
is pushing an agenda, because there's no way that's true.
My neighbor is a partner at a busy neurology practice and he
would argue all day long about how to make money now you
have to see a lot of patients (not provide a good standard
of care), get a good survey rating (translates into
dropping patients with chronic health problems because they
complain all the time), avoid research (who has time to
participate in studies), and probably still make less than
his dad (who was a doctor) did. His dad lived in a mansion
in Larchmont and he lives next to me in a 1300 square foot
house. His dad drove a Jaguar. He drives a Passat. His dad
built a greenhouse for his mom's orchids. He waters the lawn
by hand because it's not in the budget to redo the aging
sprinklers. I don't want to say that I am basing my
statement on purely anecdotal evidence, but the reality is
that malpractice insurance and HMOs have eroded the medical
profession. To claim that doctors now make 3x more than
before (costs have risen 3X according to your premise) is
ridiculous. They make less than before just like many of us.
Let's see this study you found. Are you sure it didn't look
at gross pay for doctors and ignored that they pay 25% of
revenues for malpractice insurance and that they have to hire
2 people fulltime just to figure out the insurance paperwork?
\_ Doctors made out pretty well in this country *until* the
HMOs and high malpractice insurance came along. I think
that says it all.
\_ Yes. Now we pay 3x as much for care and it doesn't
even go to the doctor or nurses but instead to lawyers
and insurance companies. This is much better! |
| 2007/9/4-7 [Computer/SW/Languages/C_Cplusplus, Health/Disease/AIDS] UID:47891 Activity:nil |
9/4 http://csua.org/u/jfs (townhall.com, why hide your url?) This was all before politicians gave us the idea that the things we could not afford individually we could somehow afford collectively through the magic of government. \_ it was also before it was empirically proven that the unregulated \_ umm. no. health care system in the U.S. is twice as expensive as everyone else's. \_ Everyone else's healthcare is great until you get sick. |
| 2007/8/23-27 [Health/Disease/AIDS, Health/Disease/General] UID:47732 Activity:nil |
8/23 "Infectious diseases spreading faster than ever: U.N."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070822/hl_nm/un_dc
"It warned that global efforts to control infectious diseases have
already been "seriously jeopardized" by widespread drug resistance,
a consequence of poor medical treatment and misuse of antibiotics."
\- one of the best non-fiction books i have read is THE COMING PLAGUE.
\_ Second that--and I'll add it's by far the scariest book
I have ever read. That's including fiction.
\_ But the housing bubble will kill us all before this ever happens! |
| 2007/8/22-23 [Health/Disease/AIDS, Health/Disease/General] UID:47713 Activity:moderate |
8/22 'broad spectrum antibiotics' is my favorite position
\_ "Infectious diseases spreading faster than ever: U.N."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070822/hl_nm/un_dc
"It warned that global efforts to control infectious diseases have
already been "seriously jeopardized" by widespread drug resistance,
a consequence of poor medical treatment and misuse of antibiotics." |
| 2007/7/24-28 [Health/Disease/AIDS] UID:47409 Activity:nil |
7/24 2/3rds of US anti-AIDS program funding in Africa allocated to
ineffective abstinence-only programs
http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?article=how_bushs_aids_program_is_failing_africans
\_ That's because they're not believers. Time to send more
missionaries.
\_ at least they died pure
\_ Umm.. obviously not...
\_ The best thing the West can do for Africa is stop using it as a
giant social experiment and dumping ground for unsellable goods.
\_ So we just stop selling them condoms and let them all die?
\_ The second part of your sentence does not follow from the
first part. |
| 2007/7/2-5 [Health/Disease/AIDS] UID:47146 Activity:nil |
7/2 in nytimes today:
http://iraqwarit.blogspot.com/2007/07/kristof-attack-of-worms.html |
| 2007/6/7-10 [Politics/Foreign/Europe, Health/Disease/AIDS] UID:46886 Activity:moderate |
6/7 "For God's Sake, Please Stop the Aid!" -Keynesian economist
http://www.spiegel.de/international/spiegel/0,1518,363663,00.html
\_ Sounds like instead of sending them a bunch of crap, what we
need to do is actually buy stuff from them. Subsidize buying
stuff from them instead of subsidizing our own farmers.
And/or directly employ them to improve their own roads etc.
Although buying food from them would be Bad. Hmm maybe he's
right and we shouldn't do anything except maybe set up
schools (the teaching industry is something they could
take over later).
\_ We should send them MS Office licenses.
\_ Oh yeah they'll be lining up at the trucks for those!
\_ The problem is that so many Africans are working in
industries like farming. They need to industrialize. More
investment in Africa would help. Your idea of building
infrastructure is a good one. However, I think the West
would rather give Africa its leftovers than cold hard cash.
It's easy to donate your old bicycle and three pairs of dress
shoes you never wear anymore. Doing more than giving our
castoffs away would require real work on the part of the
West *and* Africans.
\_ Cash just vanishes into various higher ups bank accounts.
\_ I am not suggesting cash be given as a gift, but that
cash be invested rather than goods given.
\_ Investing in most african countries is silly unless
you are a huge company willing to spent a large amount
of money on protection and bribes. And then you are
part of the problem.
\_ So you think that, say, Ford building a plant in
Africa is unthinkable? Why would you say that?
\_ Maybe, instead of industrializing, they could simply skip
to the part where they have nothing but services and
financial industries like we do?
\_ Take a look at http://kiva.org. It's a microfinance site that enables
people to chip in on making loans to people in third world
countries. The money goes from kiva to a local microfinance
company to the borrower. --alawrenc
\_ I've lent +$400 via Kiva, but it seems like a lot of their
current businesses is moving toward just lower interest rate
current businesses are moving toward just lower interest rate
working capital rather than development capital. i.e. Instead
of "I want to buy a new oven for my bakery so I can produce
2n loves of bread" it's more like "I want to borrow $500 at
10% instead at a higher interest locally, so when I sell the
good for a 20% gain, I make a greater return ... then 6-12mos
later, I'll do the exact same thing." Whereas the guy with the
bigger bakery is now off and running with an expanded business.
There used to be plenty of people looking for of small amount
like $250 for soem kind of "tool"/means of production ...
barber chair, seeds, revenue producing construction ... now a
huge number are for higher amounts just to buy stock.
\_ This is an interesting one:
http://tinyurl.com/2p7w5b
\_ We could certainly do more in combatting AIDS and malaria, which
would have lots of ancillary benefits, as well as improving the
standard of living of millions of Africans. I am not so sure that
cutting off all food aid to famine victims is the right answer, but
it certainly should be controlled better, so that it does not all
end up in the pocket of corrupt rulers. |
| 2007/5/16-17 [Health/Disease/AIDS, Politics/Foreign/Asia/China] UID:46656 Activity:kinda low |
5/16 Liquid condom:
http://www.hiptechblog.com/2005/11/28/what-liquid-condom
\_ Sounds hoaxish
\_ I hope this doesn't burn as badly as spermicides that are
usually 10% Nonoxydyl |
| 2007/5/15-17 [Politics/Domestic/Gay, Health/Disease/AIDS] UID:46637 Activity:moderate |
5/15 Rot in hell, you fucking traitorous son of a whore:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/15/obituaries/15cnd-falwell.html?_r=1&hp&
oref=slogin
Falwell finally does something to make the world a better place by
dying.
\_ will there be hookers in heaven for him?
\_ Liberty University is in Lynchburg? Is that appropriate or ironic?
\_ Ah, the hatred of the left is always so sad to see.
\_ There are plenty of people I dislike that I'll gladly give
dignity in death. Falwell was much beyond that. Falwell
was a religious facist who justly deserves his place with hell.
Good fucking riddance to a powerful man who blamed AIDS on
society accepting gays as people. Good fucking riddance to a
powerful man who blamed 9/11 on feminism and atheism. Good
fucking riddance to a man worked hard to destroy my fundemental
religious and moral freedoms. Burn Falwell burn.
\_ Though the right is chock full of hate--more so than the left
ever has been.
\_ Keep asserting it, it's a nice security blanket.
\_ Especially when it's true.
\_ I don't know if you can really say that. "The left" has
massacred lots of people over the last 100 years. Maybe
you meant to say "the left in the United States" or
"the left today." -lefty
\_ I was talking about hate, not deaths--but you could argue
that the Christian invasion of the New World and Africa
was an activity of the "right", and that caused more
deaths than the left's recent activities.
\_ Well, I am not going to get into all that. Colonialism
has probably killed more than Communism, true. But the
point is that the left has had plenty of hate at times
in the past, so your claim that the right [today] is
more hateful than the left has at any time in history
is a pretty extreme one and wrong, imo.
\_ Agreed, as is the hypocrisy of the right.
\_ Well, hypocrisy on any side.
\_ And the hatred of either.
\_ The left hates Falwell because of his hate, not because he's
black or poor or jewish or short or fat or tall or skinny
or whatever.
\_ You make a career out of demonizing certain people, don't be
surprised when those people don't like you.
\_ On AIDS:
AIDS is the wrath of a just God against homosexuals.
On the Antichrist:
[He] will, by necessity, be a Jewish male.
On the separation of church and state:
The idea that religion and politics don't mix was invented by the
devil to keep Christians from running their own country.
And, of course, on the September 11th attacks:
I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the
feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying
to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People For the
American Way, all of them who have tried to secularize America.
I point the finger in their face and say 'you helped this happen.' |
| 2007/2/25-3/3 [Recreation/Dating, Health/Disease/AIDS] UID:45820 Activity:high |
2/25 I hate condoms:
http://www.salon.com/sept97/columnists/unzipped970903.html
\_ I think that condoms, like contact lenses, suck because our
materials technology sucks, and that neither is fundamentally
a bad idea, and will be fine to use in a few more decades.
I think condoms will stop sucking right around the time contact
lenses do.
\_ On the contrary, I think condoms will start sucking in a few
decades, rendering Fleshlight obsolete. Wireless power will
have to work first, though.
\_ Exactly! That's exactly my point! And contact lenses will have
a zoom function, see infrared, and have headsup displays.
\_ I wonder if the author feels the same way 10 years later.
\_ Herpes rules.
\_ I've been in the same boat since before 97 (use a condom
the first few times, give up shortly after cause damn those
things suck) and I've not had any stds. Nor has anyone I've
known. The big STD fear is pretty blow out of proportion
if your risk factors aren't that high. AIDS devistated the
gay world because plenty of gay men had 100s of partners a
year, without any protection. The number of people I've slept
with more that a few times is pretty low, and I bet that's
true for almost everyone.
\_ I code for hobby and pleasure. My chance is 0%. I rule.
\_ I'm sure you don't wear a seat belt either.
\_ It only takes one time with the wrong person.
\_ It does, that's why when the risk is high (random person,
no known history) I use a condom. But really the STD doom
and gloom is way out of proportion to the risk. Seriously.
\_ So the second time? The third time? I hope you're
aware of how many STDs show no signs until it's too
late. And there are others that can be easily
transmitted even with a condom. You're just playing
Russian Roulette with your health. I wonder if you've
ever been tested for anything recently? You could be
infected with any number of things and not know it and
be spreading whatever you have to whoever you've been
with.
\_ Jesus Christ you are thick. It's not a matter of
waiting a time or two to make sure my penis doesn't
fall off. It's a question of not having risky sex
with people I only sleep with a few times. By that
time I've gotten to know someone a bit, know that
they most likely have the same kinds of policies
and know that, considering we both get tested every
few years, that hey, the risks are fairly low.
The fact is if you aren't in a high risk group STDs
are really PRETTY DAMN RARE. Yes you can refuse any
risk and always use a condom, but you know what, tons
of people don't and if the risks were unreasonable
you would know a hell of a lot more people with
STDs.
\_ The number of women with HPV is estimated to be
25%. HPV is asymptomatic. If you're having sex
with an American woman your odds are 1 in 4 of
being exposed to HPV. And the kicker is you
wouldn't even know it and can easily pass it on.
Cervical cancer for all your partner, nice of you
to share that. I shouldn't have to explain any
further how your choices are extremely likely to
lead to HPV and likely several other STDs. It is
true that two people in low risk groups are by
definition at low risk for STD transmission. The
thing is *you* are not in a low risk group. Have
a nice day.
\_ Someone is bitter that they never get laid.
Someone has also bought into the great HPV
scare. How sad.
\_ Someone has never lived with a woman, or
has never heard of a PAP smear, or knows
pathetically little about STDs to call this
widely known data a "scare".
From the CDC:
Approximately 20 million people are
currently infected with HPV. At least
50 percent of sexually active men and
women acquire genital HPV infection at
some point in their lives. By age 50,
at least 80 percent of women will have
acquired genital HPV infection. About
6.2 million Americans get a new genital
HPV infection each year.
I think you'd be shocked to see the numbers
for herpes type 1.
\_ Herpes type 1 is a cold sore. Hardly
something where condom usage matters.
\_ Huh, the immediate above poster needs to visit Health class again
in junior high/ high school / college. HSV TYPE 1 and HSV
TYPE 2 will both happily in your groin area. They will
happily be passed through condomless sex. It is true that
condoms dont 100 percent block transmission, but it does happen.
It is true that HSV TYPE 2 is USUALLY not passed to the mouth
from genital->mouth transmission. About 25-30 years ago
the health prof. community really did differentiate between
the two viruses as 'type 1 is a mouth cold sore' and
'type 2 is a cold sore on your groin area' but I will
state 100 percent no question that all knowledgeable health
professionals do not believe this. type 1 and type 2 are
both herpes cold sores. You're just kind of unhappy when
you have an outbreak of either on your groin. A lot of people
have one AND two on their groin area. Fun. The only difference
between the two is the outbreak rate. People with type
1 on their groin might only get 1 outbreak their entire life.
The evil thing is even when you're not having an outbreak,
you can be transmitttablle. People with type 1 on their lips
usually get one outbreak per year. People with type 2 on groin
get an outbreak every 3 or 4 months. It all varies. Type 2
on lips hardly ever get outbreaks. Their are some differences
in severity of initial outbreak. The good thing is
Hepres wont kill you. Have fun.
And as to HPV, yes I know about
pap smears. But the HPV is harldy
a big deal. Seriously. Less than
1 hundredth of a percent of the female
population is diagnosed with with
cervical cancer a year. If 1/4 of
the population has HPV (the numbers
I've seen are > 1/2 of sexually active
adults) then gee, maybe it's not like
it's on the same leauge as a real STD.
By great HPV scare I'm talking about
people who are sad that AIDS is no
longer as an effecitve way to try
to scare people into abstinance (and
do you remember when herpes was being
used the same way?) are trying to
do the same with HPV. The difference?
HPV ISN'T THAT BIG OF A DEAL.
Oh and PS, condoms don't really protect
against HPV that well.
\_ So you don't seem to know that you
can get type 1 herpes in your mouth,
which we call a cold sore, but also
on your genitals *and* in your eyes.
\_ Actually I do know this, but
I also know the vast majority of
herpes 1 is oral, and so bringing
it up in this context is well,
stupid. Then again since neither
my girlfriend nor I have any
form of herpes it's not really an
issue. But you know what, my
advice to you is live in fear,
take a bleach shower after every
sexual encounter and I'm sure that
will all work out well for you.
\_ Type 1 is mostly oral and can
be transmitted to the mouth,
groin or eyes of your partner.
It is not a trivial event to
be so easily dismissed. You keep
talking about living in fear and
tossing around direct personal
insults of various sorts instead
of relying on any sort of pesky
facts in an effort to justify
your risky decisions. Hey, guess
what? You're not the only one
getting laid in hs, college, or
after college. Some people get
lucky and stay healthy, others
don't. I used to think like you
but fortunately I got smart
before I got unlucky. Maybe the
same will happen for you.
Probably not since there's even
more bad stuff out there than
when I was 'dating' and it
sounds like you're less careful
than I was, which isn't saying
much. I find it interesting
that you avoided all questions
about sharing info and what
you'd do in various cases if
either of you knew beforehand.
Would you kiss a girl with type
1 oral herpes? Would you let
her bj you? Why or why not?
When you or your gf have an outbreak
of type 1 genital herpes I don't think
either of you will be happy to know it
is "only" a cold sore. And, yes the
fact that HPV can spread even with
condom use should make one rethink
their plan to have a large number of
short term partners instead of a small
number of long term. Now that you've
made it clear you don't give a shit if
you transmit to someone, would you tell
them if you had something before having
sex or just figure it's ok because in
your opinion it's no big deal and just
a CDC conspiracy to control our sex
lives? If she had something and told
you before would you still have sex
with her? If not, why not? After all
it is *only* type 1 herpes, a mere
cold sore. I'll restate that you are
correct that two low risk people are at
low risk for transmission in either
direction, but you are not one of those
low risk people you're talking about.
\_ Dude, I had sex with at least 50
\_ Dude, I had sex with at least 500
women before I got married and
settled down. I often used a condom
but by no means all of the time.
I never caught herpes (either type),
or chlamydia, or aids or syphillis.
Not everyone is infected by your
fear and paranoia. Sure I took
risks, but they were calculated
risks, but they were careful
risks and I was fine. Real life
is like this everyday. -!dans
is like this everyday. -!pp or op
\_ The Author married the next year:
http://preview.tinyurl.com/yr7zh2 (NYT)
\_ Correction: She met her future husband the next year; they
got married in October 2000.
\_ So, presumably she never caught an STD.
\_ This is an unfounded assumption.
\_ Okay sure. But the presumption that she has
herpes today is even less likely to be true.
\_ I find it hilarious that someone
feels the need to qualify this
by saying that they're not me.
-dans
\_ Yeah, I was worried that your
fans might think that you had
only had 50 lifetime sex
partners and stop worshipping
you. (Actually, the real
reason is that someone changed
my 50 to a 500 and then signed
your name to the bottom, so
I changed it back to 50 and
signed it !dans, but my first
answer is funnier) -!dans
\_ You've got a funny notion
of what constitutes funny.
Though it's amusing that I
have achieved psb's level
of infamy. -dans
\_ lol there are 2 tenured Cal professors who think AIDS is not
transmitted sexually.
\_ http://csua.org/u/i4s -DANH
\_ http://csua.org/u/i4s -PSB
\_ http://csua.org/u/i4s
\_ I know some slutty gay guys who have had unprotected sex as a bottom
with dozens of partners and are STD free. Just because you win the
lottery doesn't mean you will keep winning the lottery, "Luck can't
last a lifetime unless you die young"
\_ Only the good die young. -bjoel
\_ Don't take credit for my lyrics
you fuck. -bdickinson
\_ Am I the only one who appreciates the irony of a flame war on the
CSUA motd over STD's? I mean, generally speaking the CSUA is not
the place one frequents to get laid. I mean, yeah, there are
exceptions, but in general... -dans
\_ You weren't here in the good ole days... -!dans
\_ So, what, you fucked ahm? lila? Or are you suggesting that,
in the 'good ole days' the CSUA would convert the machine
rooms to gay bathhouses? -dans
\_ No, I think it is amusing that you can only think of the
csua from a guy's perspective. Plenty of women used to
frequent the CSUA to get "laid." They would probably deny
that this is what they were here for, but the end result
was the same. Personally, I dated at least four different
csua women (if you use the strict definition of csua
member == csua account holder), but I know quite a few
women who make me look like a piker. Don't you guys have
groupies anymore? -!dans
\_ Probably, but I was never that into CSUA groupies.
\_ Probably, but I was never that into CSUA herpes.
Turn it around to the guy's perspective, why chase
after the one or two groupies that all the other geeks
are swarming over? -dans |
| 2006/12/19-23 [Health/Disease/AIDS] UID:45474 Activity:kinda low |
12/19 Libya Sentences Bulgaria Nurses to Death: http://csua.org/u/hqy That is fucking horrible. \_ Can't really say I'm surprised. (Wish I could.) \_ you know, invading another country is morally so much superior \_ It's raining out, maybe you better get back under your bridge. |
| 2006/12/19 [Health/Disease/AIDS] UID:45473 Activity:nil |
12/19 Surgeon's knife may offer hope in African AIDS fight - Yahoo! News:
http://www.csua.org/u/hpi
\_ The side effect is that it'll be easier to convert to Judaism!
\_ Castration will almost completely eliminate risk of all STDs |
| 2006/10/24-26 [Health/Disease/AIDS] UID:44952 Activity:high |
10/24 Is this the end of antibiotics?
http://www.laweekly.com/news/news/the-scourge-of-skid-row/14810
(Warning, some of the pictures are really nasty.)
\_ In short, yes. And this plague of staph is starting exactly
like AIDS. First, it gets the drug-users and other societal
rejects. Then, it comes for everyone else. When it's an
expensive killer of "normal" people, it's seen as a crisis,
and it is, rather than being nipped in the bud. Like all our
other infrastructure, public health is in a state of near-total
neglect. Drug-resistant staph, tuberculosis, malaria, and a
host of others are coming at us, spread in part by insecticide
resistant bugs. Idiots in Washington spend trillions combating
threats to thousands of us and ignore the threats which will
kill millions of us. Write your congressman, please. --PeterM
\_ How do you figure AIDS could have been "nipped in the bud" in
this country? I recall at the time some were advocating enforced
\_ That was just Lyndon LaRouche
\_ No, it was a lot of people. Either way, the question
remains: what would you have done at the time to "nip
AIDS in the bud"?
\_ Um, mounted effective research and prevention efforts
early on instead of not worrying about the "gay plague",
for starters?
early on instead of not worrying about the "gay
plague", for starters?
\_ So with billions of dollars of research and
education efforts since then, what has happened?
People who wanted to engage in risky activity
continued to do so despite knowing the dangers
and still get AIDS today. There was no magic
bullet that would have done anything of note.
After 20+ years of public education there are
still new cases even though the number of new
cases *should* be near zero. People are dumb.
\_ HIV isn't easy to transmit. If we'd had
clean needle and condom campaigns early we could
have lowered transmissability to the point
where the infection might have died out in
the US, especially with very focussed targeting
on the initial high risk groups. Further,
there WAS NO CURE at the time and a campaign
of persuasion, "do this or die" might have
been more effective. To this day, dirty
needles are responsible for much spread of
HIV and hepatitis because politicians would
rather moralize than take effective action
(needle exchange) for public health.
Convinced now? --PeterM
\_ Convinced? Of what? No. I'll repeat my
main point: to this today everyone *should*
be aware that certain activity will get you
HIV/AIDS yet they still choose not to use
condoms or use clean needles even in places
where they are given free. People are dumb.
And btw, there is still no cure, so I'm not
sure why you mention there wasn't one then
either but thats not the point.
\_ Convinced that early vigorous action
could have greatly reduced the impact
of HIV on the US. HIV isn't very
transmissible: maybe 1.1 new cases
per existing case, or even less thanks
to public health campaigns. Even if
early vigorous action reduced transmission
by 20%, there would be .9 new cases of
HIV per existing case and the infection
would die out. I'm saying that if we'd
had vigorous prevention and needle
campaigns early on, HIV would have had
negligible impact on the US and we would
not have needed the *billions* now
required for treatment and research. --PM
\_ So now that we have spent billions in
research and the public is as educated
as possible, is the rate .9 or 1.1?
If you can show me something that says
.9 then I'm fully convinced. Of course
there would still be people coming from
outside the country but I'm not going
to push that as I'm sure it's a small
number. Either way, people are still
dumb. ;-)
\_ http://csua.org/u/hb7 (Entrez PubMed)
This is an NIH site. The number
today isn't .9, it seems, but lower,
.05/yr. That is, for every existing
case, there is 1 new case in 20 yrs.
That is actually more successful than
I had thought. Just under 1M in USA
have HIV. Oh, and yes, people are
dumb, I fully agree on *that*. But
remember, those *billions* spent have
mostly been spent treating the sick,
not on prevention/education. Early
prevention efforts would have yielded
a huge ROI, especially since at that
time AIDS victims were dying
relatively fast. --PeterM
\_ Ok, I'll buy that. Just one
last thing to keep in mind is
that by the time HIV/AIDS was
recognised and diagnosable there
were already a lot of people who
already had it since it has such
a long infection -> symptoms
period. It may be the case that
after the initial death toll, the
level of education was
appropriate since new cases are
determined based on test date,
not the unknowable infection
date. So the high initial rates
were unstoppable and then people
who were uninfected then more or
less did do the right things to
stay safe(r). It also may be the
case that since H/A transmission
is more likely with certain
activity that the virus was
already mostly isolated to those
populations, thus without *any*
education it might have had low
rates after the initial deaths.
No one can say with certainty
how many more, if any, might have
remained uninfected if there had
been earlier education (IIRC it
was about 2 years that it was
believed to be a 'gay disease').
isolation a la Typhoid Mary. What do you figure 'they' should
be doing about all these other diseases right now?
\_ Spend money on better public health and research. This
isn't exactly rocket science. -ausman
\_ And how would that have done anything at the time when
AIDS first became known in the US to stop it from
spreading? Billions of dollars of research have gone into
AIDS, medical science has advanced, and there was a lot of
money going into public education, but no one really knew
what AIDS was, some *still* dispute what it is and we
are still are the very early stages of being able to deal
with viruses of any sort. What was going to happen in the
80's to stop AIDS?
\_ Politicians and public health officials ignored AIDS
because most initial victims were gays and drug users.
If it had been, say, children or middle-aged white males
there would have been a much more effective prevention
campaign. Similarly with this new drug-resistant staph
in LA. Right *now* it's afflicting homeless, prisoners,
and drug users. Very soon, like AIDS, it's going to
be mainstream, and dealing with it is going to cost
a lot more in lives and in money. Tuberculosis is back
in many countries with a drug-resistant vengeance.
Malaria's returning, too, also in drug-resistant glory.
Remember when life expectancy was 50 years or less?
Continued neglect of public health and medical research
will bring those days back. --PeterM
\_ On a related note, all those anti-bacterial soaps may not be
so good for us after all:
http://tinyurl.com/yxa9cw (motherearthliving.com) |
| 2006/8/14-16 [Health/Disease/AIDS] UID:43993 Activity:nil 70%like:43992 |
8/14 How do big scientific conferences work? The media often mentions
conferences to talk about AIDS / famine / gravity waves / whatever
that involve hundreds or even thousands of scientists. How does
someone get a chance to say anything?
\_ Don't know how it is in other fields, but at the American Physical
Society march meeting, which happens every year, there are roughly
40 parallel sessions 8 hours a day, for five days, with most talks
limited to 10 minutes with two minutes for questions. There are
also pretty huge poster sessions. Everyone, and I mean *everyone*
gets a chance to say something. It's getting someone to listen
that's the trick. But it's not quite as crazy as it sounds. The
aps has software on their website that lets you hunt for talks
of interest and generate a schedule for you for the week, although
missing a talk because there's another interesting one at the same
time is inevitable. Conferences of this scale generally suck, as
far as talks go, and exist mostly for networking and informal
discussions after the talks.
\_ Sounds similar to my experience at American Association of
Physicists in Medicine (AAPM)
\- The programs for some of these are +1cm thick. Yes, "massive
parallization". |
| 2006/8/14 [Health/Disease/AIDS] UID:43992 Activity:nil 70%like:43993 |
8/14 How do big scientific conference work? The media often mentions
conferences to talk about AIDS / femine / gravity wave / whatever
that involving hunderds or even thousands of scientists. How does
someone get a chance to say anything? |
| 2006/6/21-26 [Health/Disease/AIDS, Health/Disease/General] UID:43446 Activity:nil |
6/20 I'm thinking about getting health insurance for my 59 year old
mother. I've heard that it costs over $300/month. What companies
do you guys get for your parents and what do you actually
recommend?
\_ I can't help you too much, but beware - my mother who is a few years
younger than yours pays over $650 a month for insurance. She does
have a few preexisting conditions though. Is your mother healthy?
Insurance costs for the elderly are pretty insane these days.
\_ Move her to San Francisco:
http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/14864194.htm |
| 2006/4/4 [Health/Disease/AIDS, Health/Disease/General] UID:42658 Activity:kinda low |
4/4 http://news.yahoo.com/s/space/20060403/sc_space/churchgoerslivelonger Church Goers Live Longer. Does that mean our Mormon friends on motd will probably post long after while the liberals die from AIDS, meth, and other illegal substance? \_ It's moot. The religious fundamentalists will out-breed the liberals. \_ But we out recruit the fundies. \_ From their children? \_ But they live that longer life in a state of delusion.... W/o the religious vote, we would not have had the disaster that has been the Bush administration. But I guess it's not surprising that the religious people voted for a big hypocrite like themselves. \_ Yeah, the kettle thinks you're black too. \_ Doctor: You have six months to live. Patient: What can I do? Doctor: Well... you could give up sex, booze and cigars. Patient: Would I live longer then? Doctor: No, but it will seem longer... \_ If they're having all those kids it didn't come from giving up sex.... |
| 2006/3/15-17 [Health/Disease/AIDS] UID:42256 Activity:nil |
3/15 Hello my pedantic friends. I wish to get storage space
for lots of boxes of heavy books, cds, and the occasional
skull. I see suggestions of where to store my possessions
for a year or more, in the East Bay. The East Bay is defined
as near Berkely and parts south. I prefer not to
cross the Bay Bridge. I prefer to not go through the Caldecott
Tunnel, but I will if I have to. It's none of your business
whether I am fleeing the IRS, becoming a sex tourist in
Thailand, funnelling Google stock into debunking that
whole AIDS causes HIV scam or buying Bolivia.
\_ B5 > Star Trek!
\_ I challenge you to GUN DUEL!
\_ "HIV causes AIDS scam" |
| 2006/3/9-13 [Health/Disease/AIDS, Health/Sleeping] UID:42163 Activity:low |
3/9 Larry Ellison to drop from the top 10 billionaire list. Hahahaha.
That sucker deserves to go to hell. Fuck you Debacle.
\_ Yeah, I'm sure he losses sleep over it. BTW, how many billions
do you have? Oh, zero?
\_ Yes he's losing sleep over it. I used to work at Debacle and
my boss knew the VPs who knew Larry. Unlike Andy Grove and
HP founders, Larry is an asshole who doesn't care about anyone
else except himself, and everyone at the company knows that.
All that talk with "Oracle's world's 2nd largest software
company" is just bullshit and annoying to hear every single
day. Back during the dot-com days Larry tried numerous
spin-offs on nicely packaged but horribly designed software
in an attempt to diversify his 1 trick pony, and ultimately to
generate more revenues not for the company, but for himself.
During media interviews Larry even admitted that his goal was
not to create AIDS foundations or help with famines and such.
His goal in life was to become a samurai and to beat Bill
Gates so that he could become the world's richest man. In my
< decade of working there I NEVER saw him working, once, and
neither did my bosses. He loved yachting, flying planes, or just
fucking Japanese whores. Larry losing sleep over not being on
the top 10 billionaire list? You bet he is.
\_ http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2000/12/20/DD160291.DTL
\_ http://tinyurl.com/m4gl9 (sfgate.com)
\- You may also wish to see: http://csua.org/u/f7w |
| 2006/2/6-7 [Health/Disease/AIDS] UID:41732 Activity:nil |
2/6 http://tinyurl.com/8ujew (reuters.com) An injection of two drugs normally used to treat HIV patients completely protected monkeys from becoming infected with the AIDS virus, U.S. researchers reported on Monday. ... The monkeys were then exposed to a combined human-monkey AIDS virus called SHIV, using a rectal method aimed at simulating male homosexual contact. That happened daily for 14 days and the monkeys also got daily injections. \_ It's that what Vanilla Ice claimed happened to him? He got a SHIV in the butt? \_ There aren't animal-cruelty issues related to butt-raping monkeys? \_ Nono, those were GAY monkeys and they really enjoyed butt-raping \_ Not if butt-raping monkeys could save human lives. |
| 2006/1/29-31 [Health/Disease/AIDS] UID:41595 Activity:high |
1/29 One quarter of US AIDS money going to religious groups preaching
abstinence-only.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060129/ap_on_he_me/aids_prevention
\_ Liar. "President Bush's $15 billion effort to fight
AIDS has handed out nearly one-quarter of its grants to religious
groups, and officials are aggressively pursuing new church partners
that often emphasize disease prevention through abstinence and
fidelity over condom use."
1/4 to religious groups. There's no % listed of how many of them
are preaching abstinence only.
\_ Don't be pedantic.
\_ I'm usually the first to say this, but in this case that
is a pretty important difference.
\_ I challenge you to find a federal funded religious
group that is doing AIDS outreach and education that
doesn't involve abstinence only education in some form.
Also, doesn't the idea of a "federally funded religious
group" kinda bother you?
\_ Did not seem to both Thomas Jefferson or any
of a large number of subsequent number of
presidents to this day.
\_ "in some form". Any sex ed of any sort that doesn't
teach "in some form" that *not* having sex is the
best way to avoid a sexual transmitted disease is
pretty stupid. What is wrong with telling people
that condoms, etc aren't perfect and abstinence is
the most effective method of avoidance? As far as
"federally funded religious group" goes, these are
not "federally funded religious groups" in the sense
that you're implying they are State Sponsored
religions. Churches have always done charity work.
Would you prefer they just stop? Does it bother you
that they run soup kitchens too? Relax your knee.
\_ pp is referring to "abstinence-*only*" education.
\_ Ok. How does that change anything?
\_ Abstinence-only education is actually worse
than no sex education.
\_ URL or just opinion?
\_ Here's a study from Minnesota
high schools. There are many more
like this:
http://csua.org/u/etq --!pp
\_ Your link doesn't say that
abstinence-only is worse than no
sex ed at all. "That [the
abstinence-only rate] is still
lower than the average rate of
sexually active adolescents in
those counties, researchers said."
Now, the actual report may actually
say that abstinence-only is worse,
since your article includes many
provocative statements that
abstinence-only is a failure,
but the article itself does not
present logic or statistics to
support those statements. And with-
out supporting evidence, those
statements by themselves are
worthless.
\_ Oh yes - Minnesota public schools.
Where they can help your child
obtain an abortion without you
ever knowing anything about it.
\_ Also, I am thrilled that churches continue to do
charity work. I don't think federal funds should
should be used to support them.
\_ "to support them". To support them doing charity
work? You think the Feds are more efficient at
helping at the grass roots level than the people
who actually live in a community? I've seen
how Fed & State funded programs "work". You'd
be hard pressed to find an organization more
corrupt, slack, inefficient or less caring about
the 'customer' than someone who has a government
job giving away other people's money. They get
rated on how much money they give away and there's
no oversight. It was pretty sickening.
\_ I think you missed where he said "I _don't_
think..."
\_ I didn't miss it. I'm sharing my
experience as anecdotal evidence that he
should reconsider his thoughts.
\_ So... you WANT the feds to give away
money? Even though it's sickening?
\_ No, but since they're going to do
it anyway, I'd prefer it go to small
local efficient charities instead of
getting handed out like candy to the
wrong people by the wrong people who
are just pissing it away. I thought
it was clear that the sickening part
is the waste involved in government
aid "projects".
\_ How about they don't give the money
away, lower taxes, and let people
give their own money to whatever
causes they want?
\_ Not if you believe in charity.
Even in the same town, Mr Rich
Guy is unlikely to know that
Mr Poor Guy could use a new
pair of shoes for his kid on
the other side of town, but
I'll bet Poor Guy's local
religious figure and his
neighbors know. I don't believe
in large money sucking non-
charities either. Same deal.
Huge org sucking up cash and
giving out pennies on the
dollar to the wrong people.
Large professional charity
orgs in this country mostly
suck and IMO are even worse
than the Feds because they
pull on heart strings to get
your dollar and then piss it
away. At least the Feds tax
you by force with no pretence.
\_ Cf. Salvation Army. |
| 2006/1/21-24 [Health/Disease/AIDS, Health/Women] UID:41470 Activity:nil |
1/21 The Thailand-US free-trade agreement: enriching drug companies at the
expense of Thai citizens!
http://csua.org/u/eq3 (huffingtonpost.com)
\_ While this may be a very minor point in the overall article, I
I don't understand where he gets the idea of generic drug companies
being forced to conduct tests as being "unethical." Most people
whom I know in non-US pharma outfits see FDA regulations as a
major PITA, but at some level at least, see that they usually
(with a few egregious exceptions) make sense. -John
\_ Thailand is being absolutely stupid to sign bilateral trade
agreement with USA at first place. The reason why USA was pushing
for bilateral agreement is because WTO has built-in arbitration
mechanism thus USA couldn't really get away with all the wrong
doings. With bilateral agreement, there is no mechanism for smaller
economy to challenge dispute and/or violations
economy to challenge USA's violation of agreement. |
| 2005/11/22-24 [Health/Disease/General, Health/Disease/AIDS] UID:40700 Activity:kinda low |
11/22 http://www.lao.ca.gov/2000/calfacts/2000_calfacts_demographics.html Proof that when the economy is good, more people fuck and make babies. Recession=fewer babies, dot-com=lots of babies. Human beings are like cockroaches. When you give them food, they reproduce a lot. \_ Umm, and this wasn't obvious? This is just a corollary of the fact that people try to avoid spending money (babies cost a lot) when they feel like they've got less of it. \_ Only in the short term, in general, long term prosperity produces lower birth rates. \_ At current global growth rates, we'll have something like 40 billion people in 100 years, 15 trillion in 200 years ... The growth party will eventually stop and if history is any guide it's going to be "demand destruction" in the most painful sense possible. \_ Thomas Malthus... Paul Ehrlich... Anonymous MOTD poster... Man, that's a rich tradition of accurate forecasting of over-population doom and gloom. \_ Actually famine and population decimation has been pretty normal throughout all of history, including recent times. Witness Darfur, Rwanda, etc. \_ Don't worry, antibiotic/drug resistant AIDS, malaria, cholera, tuberculosis, flu, pneumonia, etc., famine, and war will knock down human populations well before the 40 billion mark. Hell, we might have uncontrolled antibiotic-resistant pneumonic plague, too. \_ For humanitiy's sake, stop participating FightAIDS@home and help reduce human population. Yeah, really! \_ Do your population estimates take into account that as economic conditions improve people become less fecund? \_ This is where the "at current global growth rates" bit kicks in. \_ IOW, no. Thanks for playing. \_ Something will stop the global growth rates, but it won't be improving economic conditions. |
| 2005/11/17-19 [Health/Disease/AIDS] UID:40638 Activity:kinda low |
11/17 The dude who was cured of HIV didn't have it in the first place:
http://www.upi.com/ConsumerHealthDaily/view.php?StoryID=20051116-015251-1581r
\_ Gee, what a surprise.
\_ Someone told me that Magic Johnson had been "cured" of AIDS, that
they haven't been able to measure virus in him for years. I
found that hard to believe. --PeterM
\_ First part sounds like the wrong words. Second part is
believable, the current powerful HIV medications can reduce
the viral load to undetectible levels. Doesn't mean he doesn't
still have HIV though..
\_ The guys I currently work for make blood testing devices--
they use something called protease chain somethingorother to
\- PCR, sort of invented by ex-UCB
person/surfer kary mullins who
uses his nobel prize to get
chicks and hangs out with OJ.
basically breed any of several hundred families of virii in
a blood sample from "undetectable" levels to where you can
actually measure them. So while possible that you wouldn't
detect something you're actively looking for (like HIV in
Magic's bloodstream) it's fairly unlikely, as far as I
understand the workings of the gizmos. -John
\_ The plural of virus is "viruses".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plural_of_virus
\_ And the plural of anal retentive idiot is? Consider
me eduficated, thanks teach! -John |
| 2005/11/13-14 [Health/Disease/AIDS] UID:40563 Activity:nil |
11/13 First person to be cured of HIV?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4432564.stm
\_ I love the fact that nobody has considered three things:
a) This joker is going to the tabloids instead of helping doctors
to figure out what is going on with him, and whether it could
help medical science.
\_ i don't see where it said he did that.
\_ He's refused to submit to further testing.
b) He apparently hasn't considered the (likely) possibility that
the second test is a false negative.
\_ there were multiple second tests but it might be so.
\_ Or the first one a false positive.
c) None of the reporting seems to understand or explain provirus
dormancy.
\_ it seems that the doctors involved are quite shocked by his
status and might know about about that. |
| 2005/11/3-4 [Health/Disease/AIDS, Health/Disease/General] UID:40428 Activity:very high |
11/03 I wasn't involved in the discussion below, but you self-righteous
do-gooders really blow my mind. I'm curious as to just how rampant
this type of (un)thinking is. It is time for a poll -phuqm
It is reasonable ...
to force children to have HPV vaccinations: .
unless they are Christian scientists or other similar wingnuts:
to allow parents to make this decision based on whatever beliefs: .
\_ So you disagree with mandating vaccinations in general? Or is
it just this vaccination that is nearly always effective against
a virus that will give you or your female partner cancer?
\_ dude, what is so hard about putting a little '.' next to the
first choice? Why would I want to talk to you if you aren't
willing to play along with my poll? Because I'm such a nice
guy I will assume that the first . in that category is yours
and will answer your question soon thereafter. -phuqm
\_ I'm contesting your question because it's loaded. If you
can't ask a direct question, don't expect a direct answer,
crebbs. --scotsman
--scotsman
\_ so you have some policy against answering loaded
questions? What are you a politician? feel free to
add your own category if you think these don't cover
all the basis, but I don't see what is wrong with the
way these are phrased (unless you object to me calling
C.scientists wingnuts, but somehow i doubt that is
is the problem.) If there is some other problem I'd LOVE
to see an explanation of it. -phuqm
\_ Oh, and you know who I am, and I know who I am, and so
do most people here who care, so is it really necessary
to keep outing me? (anyway i'm not him)
\_ Hmm... Should we tell root to squish his account
for sharing it?
\_ yes you are. -phuqm
\_ bastard.
\_ yep. -phuqm
\_ Or maybe they could squish you for talking
to yourself...
\_ if that's squishable, then I will have a
tough time coming up with a defense.
\_ So, yeah, i'm rabid libertarian and - despite the obvious free
\_ So, yeah, i'm a rabid libertarian and - despite the obvious free
rider problem - I never think it is o.k. to force a parent to
allow the government to inject something into their child. I
don't really care if the person's reason is that he thinks the
vial is full of little deamons that are going to steal his kids
soul; to me it is a simple question of who decides: the govmnt.
vial is full of little demons that are going to steal his kids
soul; to me it is a simple question of who decides.
\_ Do you also disagree with forcing kids to go to school?
What about the government taking kids away from parents who
the government deems incompetent? Just curious.
\_ If you were to live on an isolated desert island where
your choices had no effect on other ppl, then this line
of thinking makes sense. However, if you are living in
a place w/ thousands of ppl your choice not to vaccinate
your children can have a profound effect on the health
of other children. What right do you have to ask other
ppl to sacrifice their childrens health?
As I said below, once you agree to live in society there
is no such thing as an abs. right. Think of it as the
price of admission.
\_ Why would it have a profound effect on other children?
The other children would be vaccinated if the other
people are worried.
\_ Once you agree to live in society there is no such thing as
an abs. right. Every right is subject to some amt. of regulation
by the legislature/executive. If the gov feels that the best or
only way to deal w/ a major health problem is mass vaccination
and they have proof that the means chosen (mass vaccination) are
the best or only way to deal w/ the problem, then you have three
choices - go along w/ the vaccination, get the law repealed OR
leave society.
\_ indeed. though I fail to see what relevence this has on this
discussion. I would also point out (also somewhat ir-
relevantly) that there are few places left on the planet not
claimed as the dominion of some "society" or other, which makes
that last option increasingly difficult. -phuqm
\_ If this is a major health problem only option 1 makes sense.
Options 2 and 3 suggest that regardless of a finding that
this is a major health problem, the kooks have some rights
that trump. I'm saying no. Any right the kooks have are
subordinate to society's interest in the general welfare.
There are plenty of places in this world where society
doesn't really reach (different than claimed as territory
by some nation).
You can't let a bunch of kooks run around and not vaccinate
their kids b/c anything less than total vaccination will be
ineffective. If the legislature finds that this is a major
health problem, I'm willing to defer to that judgment b/c
the whole reason they were elected was to make this sort of
decisions (via advice from qualified agencies, &c.)
\_ Well, I guess it's ok so long as it's someone right
thinking like you deciding what is in the best interest
of society.
\_ You are skipping forward to the assumption that this is a
'major health problem'. Also, no one ever acknowledged that
drug companies have sold us plenty of crap over the years that
causes side effects such as sterility, liver failure, heart
failure, kidney failure, and death. Don't worry, it was all
tested! Yay! You're still fucked and can't undo the damage.
I guess we'll just raise taxes to pay for all the law suits.
\_ It's major if you're a woman.
\_ I'm not skipping forward. I'm merely saying that if the
gov. finds that this is a major health problem, they have
the pwr to act on it w/o having to worry about the rights
of the kooks. |
| 2005/10/13 [Health/Disease/AIDS] UID:40069 Activity:nil |
10/13 Is Drudge trying to, um, tell us something by making this one of his
top stories:
"Suddenly at the forefront of taking sex aids mainstream, conservative
marketer Johnson & Johnson almost overnight has doubled sales of its
once-sleepy K-Y brand for the second time in four years thanks to the
blockbuster summer rollout of a new line of massage oils. And nowhere
has that success been greater than at Wal-Mart, where K-Y Touch
Massage oils have hit the list of top 10 new health and beauty
products of 2005, according to J&J VP-Personal Care Marketing Jim
Peterson."
\_ I think he's trying to tell us that J&J has doubled their sales of
their once-sleepy K-Y brand. What did you have in mind?
\_ I think he's trying to say that liberal is the new conservative.
\_ ??? |
| 2005/8/31 [Health/Disease/AIDS, Health/Women] UID:39390 Activity:nil |
8/31 http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050831/od_uk_nm/oukoe_uk_safrica_rape Reminds me of childhood jokes about farmer and razor blades \_ It doesn't prevent anal rape. \_ Upcoming prison-issue version does |
| 2005/8/16-17 [Health/Disease/AIDS, Health/Disease/General] UID:39141 Activity:high |
8/16 Oregon passes law requiring a prescription to get Sudafed as a way of
"controlling" the meth problem:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050816/ap_on_he_me/meth_bill
How long will this idiotic War On Drugs policymaking last? Don't
they realize all the manufacturing will just move (or is already
moving) to Mexico, where you can get a lot more than just sudafed
over the counter? Plug one hole and thirteen more open. When will
they ever learn?
\_ "While increasing amounts of methamphetamine comes in from Mexico,
bill supporters say it could sharply reduce the number of home meth
labs"
\_ Great, more outsourcing.
\_ There is a lot of property damage and theft that result from local
meth production. I don't like this measure, but apparently it has
helped in other places.
\_ Isn't there a free market solution of some kind?
\_ yeah, how about a "meth tax" where the government
takes 10% of every hit, sells it, and uses the proceeds to
pay for the hotels and apartment buildings that get blown
up by meth labs. -tom
(The funny part is, some people will think this is a good
idea).
\_ Making meth labs a legitimate business will probably be
enough. How many apartment buildings do conventional
businesses blow up? -- ilyas
\_ I don't think so. Free market models presume that
people are basically rational. Meth heads aren't.
\_ Uh, what does the fact that meth heads (or most
people) are not rational have to do with making
meth labs a legitimate business? Current legitimate
businesses are often misused by people being
irrational (fast food, etc), yet this does not imply
we should make the businesses illegal, nor does it
imply McDonalds is going to start exploding things.
-- ilyas
\_ I think that's 'legitimate', man. I bet that's
just a lame troll-hack. -Benefit of the Doubt
\_ No, I think that's how jctwu thinks.
Sadly. -- ilyas
\_ ilyas, what have I done this time? -jctwu
\_ I'm not sure what ilyas is talking about,
so I'm asking him off motd. In any case,
I'm pretty sure ilyas either mispelled
on purpose, or he didn't know the right
spelling. I don't think that's related
to why he brought up my name, though.
I think he was just annoyed at my
"fight the power" comment. -jctwu
\_ Uh, what do you bet is a lame troll-hack?
\_ just your ass.
\_ If you get into an argument with someone about
whether methamphetamine manufacture should be legal
or not, you've probably already lost.
\_ Errr, no. Try the Economist special issue on
legalizing drugs for a nice refresher course.
\_ http://csua.org/u/d2e
\_ hey man, i'm not arguing with you ...
fight the power!
\_ Parse the words exactly as they're used,
please. To make it crystal clear:
"legalizing drugs" = No
"methamphetamine manufacture" = No
And now the new ideas:
Marijuana = Yes, for medical use
Which implies:
/Some/ currently illegal drugs = Yes
Which makes no specific comment about:
Cigarettes / Alcohol = Yes/No, Good/Bad
Incidentally, what I've written above is
also the same as how many, many Americans
feel, so none of this is new. |
| 2005/8/2-4 [Health/Disease/AIDS] UID:38947 Activity:nil |
8/2 New drug blocks HIV from entering cells
http://www.asahi.com/english/Herald-asahi/TKY200507070204.html
"[T]the drug sticks to a protein called CCR5 that acts as an entrance
into human cells for the AIDS virus. When the new drug becomes
attached to the protein, it can prevent HIV from entering, and thus
stop the virus from spreading."
What does this protein do when it's not being used as a gateway?
\_ I don't get it, why was this posted?
\_ I'm curious to see what effect blocking this protein
would have on a human being. -op
\_ [reply moved to correct thread] |
| 2005/8/1-3 [Health/Disease/AIDS] UID:38907 Activity:nil |
8/1 Does anyone here participate in FightAIDS@Home? I've been running it
for about a year. But its web page never changes except the timestamp,
and my mail to support@fightaidsathome.org always bounces back. Is the
project real?
\_ AIDS KILLS FAGS DEAD!!11!!!! --Fred Phelps
\_ But it kills others too.
\_ Collateral damage
\_ Heh. When/if an effective HIV vaccine becomes available,
you can bet your bottom dollar the Christian Right will
opppose it.
\_ I have a hidden wish that all creationists who want
the state to teach it to children are struck by a
drug-resistent bacterial infection.
\_ It's God's will whether an antibiotic be found to
save the children.
\_ Why hidden?!
\_ I consider myself a Christian conservative and do not
oppose an HIV vaccine. It could do wonders in Africa.
-emarkp
\_ But they only get AIDS when they commit adultery!
\_ Or get raped. Go away troll. -emarkp
\_ Raped? That doesn't stop the abortion crowd.
Anyway she was asking for it. Women should
be completely covered outside and be
accompanied by a male at all times. Go ahead
and fight AIDS, it's merely the warning!
\_ The trolls are really dumb today. You
must be more subtle in your baiting,
Daniel-san.
\_ You are aware that in Africa it's a widely
held belief that having sex with a virgin
will cure you of AIDS? And that children
are being raped because of this?
\_ I take it back, I guess people ARE
dense enough to fall for this
trollbait. +1 for the troll. |
| 2005/5/5-6 [Health/Disease/AIDS, Health/Disease/General] UID:37527 Activity:moderate |
5/5 Britta vs. Pur, round 1. Pur says it filters out bacteria whereas
Britta makes no such claim. Pur costs 1.5X more than Britta. Britta
(IMHO) has an acceptable after-taste, whereas I can't taste anything
in Pur. What are you thought?
\_ I don't believe that Pur filters (or any filter) will remove
bacteria. To do that, UV light filters are needed. These sorts
of filters merely remove dissolved solutes (like ions, etc.)
\_ There ARE filters that can remove bacteria, but these
tend to be the exotic ceramic camping ones.
\_ Can these filters remove virus as well?
\_ OK, but I was referring to household water filters.
\_ I just find it so much more convenient to have the filter hooked
right up to the tap, so I prefer PuR. I tried Brita before
and it tasted fine. No idea if they've made a tap device by
now. -bz
\_ I thought they always had it. I used Brita tap thing for years.
\_ I'm guessing you actually mean "1.5X what Britta costs", and not
really "1.5X more" |
| 2005/4/19-20 [Health/Disease/AIDS] UID:37272 Activity:nil |
4/19 "Freebird!"
http://online.wsj.com/public/article/0,,SB111102511477881964,00.html |
| 2005/4/5 [Health/Disease/AIDS] UID:37073 Activity:kinda low |
4/5 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4413151.stm Sorry partha, no more brothels for you. \_ The Partha imports his own to South Asia. |
| 2005/1/4-5 [Health/Disease/AIDS, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan] UID:35539 Activity:moderate |
1/4 Ranking of govt. aids:
#1: Japan $500m
#2: Australia $450m
#3: US $350m
\- this really understates what the US is doing with it's
navy and such. also japan has a self-interest movtive
i would guess in getting aceh back on line. they get
some amount of natural gas and other resources from the
Aceh area directly.
\_ What are the Russians doing?
\_ they're busy doing insane things nationalizing
their gas/oil company and selling a chunk of it to china.
\_ agreed. Maybe they should do the sane and smart thing
like giving private enterprizes more power because
they run the industry more efficiently. In fact
they should just follow the Enron model-- ethics
aside, it was a very efficient and profitable model.
Produce less, make more. -conservative who totally
trusts private enterprizes
\_ [troll deleted]
\_ pretend the US only has one oil company. now
nationalized it. big undertaking!
\_ Welcome to the ownership society.
\_ Japan is trying to buy his way to a permanent seat in security
concil in United Nation. So, Japan's contribution is not really
an altrustic aid. |
| 2004/12/7-8 [Health/Disease/AIDS] UID:35201 Activity:insanely high |
12/7 I want to make a donation to the school. In the past, I have always
donated to the Engineering School. Anyone have any other suggestions?
http://colt.berkeley.edu/urelgift/index.html
\_ I would suggest donating to Professor Dusenberg, unfairly hounded
out of his NIH grants by the scientific establishment for daring
to challange the orthodoxy on AIDS, but I cannot seem to find
him on the campus website anymore. Did he finally get run all
the way off campus? What happened to him?
\_ Try spelling his name right, troll. -tom
\_ Oh, okay! Douchebag! There you go!
\_ Could someone give some context to this?
\_ prof. duesberg is a MCB prof at ucb who says AIDS is not
caused by HIV, AIDS is caused by recreational and
other drugs prescribed by doctors
to treat HIV. he's got a website, there are plenty of
"duesberg is a menace" websites. - danh
\_ Dan, use motdedit! you stomped on my post.
\_ Duesberg. He is still teaching, good. Dusenberg on google
gives many hits. Donate to Prof Duesberg's lab, he is
still trying to do science on very limited money, since
he is frozen out of the grant process by a vengeful
scientific community.
\_ I thought the whole Aids-Virus Myth thing has been
debunked. You actually believe his theories?
\_ No, but I am not really qualified to judge his work
in any case, since I am not a biologist. I do think
he has been treated poorly by the scientific
community.
\_ Well, I am, and he's just full of shit. Duesberg
deserved what he got. It's like someone insisting
that the earth is flat.
\_ Duesberg wants smoking gun evidence, with the
videotape of WMD stockpiles in multiple Iraqi
complexes and a nuclear test. He has against him
a massive amount of circumstantial evidence -
much more than that from Iraq WMDs, and from
those without as much of an agenda as BushCo.
The scientific establishment != the CIA, BushCo.
\_ yet he touts his drug-induced AIDS theory
with much much less than smoking gun evid.
\_ So even though he had done great work in the
past and continues to do great work, he
should be denied funding because he
disagrees with the scientific orthodoxy
on one small matter? I think you have
a really messed up idea of how the
scientific process should work.
\_ why do you think he did great work? -tom
\_ Maybe I'm inclined to give him the benefit
of the doubt on this because he is a
tenured Berkeley professor in the sciences?
Since you have no CV in anything, maybe
you should not be so judgmental. This is
why so many people think you are an asshole.
\_ How is my comment judgemental? pp
made an unfounded assertion; I didn't
assert anything. Asshole. -tom
\_ He is also a member of the National
Academy of Science (found this on his
web page) and his work on retroviruses
and oncogenes is very well known (I work
in immunology).
\_ It doesn't really matter anyway. Duesberg agrees that
something in the blood of an AIDS patient will give
a healthy person AIDS. The scientific community says
it's HIV - Duesberg says it's AZT. Whatever - you'll
still get AIDS anyway.
\_ I don't follow the AIDS 'controversies' very much,
but it wouldn't surprise me if some folks
classified various nasty diseases and malnutrition
syndroms in Africa (which are less 'glamorous' than
AIDS) to get AIDS funding. -- ilyas
\_ I guess you are saying it's possible but aren't
saying whether it's true or not.
\_ I don't know, but being familiar with charity
fraud, I d say it's pretty likely. -- ilyas
\_ So if you have HIV, but you aren't taking any drugs
like AZT, feel free and have as much unprotected
sex as you want.
\_ No. You must wear a condom to protect yourself
from that bad AZT in your partner's sexual fluids.
\_ Donate to the CSUA for hardware upgrades! |
| 2004/11/25 [Health/Disease/AIDS] UID:35076 Activity:high |
11/25 Thanks for the wild turkey and the passenger pigeons, destined
to be shit out through wholesome American guts.
Thanks for a continent to despoil and poison.
Thanks for Indians to provide a modicum of challenge and danger.
Thanks for vast herds of bison to kill and skin leaving the
carcasses to rot.
Thanks for bounties on wolves and coyotes.
Thanks for the American dream, To vulgarize and to falsify until
the bare lies shine through.
Thanks for the KKK.
For nigger-killin' lawmen, feelin' their notches.
For decent church-goin' women, with their mean, pinched, bitter,
evil faces.
Thanks for "Kill a Queer for Christ" stickers.
Thanks for laboratory AIDS.
Thanks for Prohibition and the war against drugs.
Thanks for a country where nobody's allowed to mind the own business.
Thanks for a nation of finks.
Yes, thanks for all the memories-- all right let's see your arms!
You always were a headache and you always were a bore.
Thanks for the last and greatest betrayal of the last and greatest
of human dreams.
\_ I just looked up "claptrap". -John
\_ Why do you hate America?
\_ If you don't like it, you can get OUUT!
\_ And be subject to US foreign policy? No way.
\_ "We're all in this together, kid." - Archibald Tuttle |
| 2004/11/11-12 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Israel, Health/Disease/AIDS] UID:34826 Activity:high |
11/11 Arafat was... Gay?
http://www.jnewswire.com/library/article.php?articleid=350
\_ I think he really died of BEING OLD
\_ this is first time you have heard this!? You live under
a rock?
\_ love how they write Palestinian in quotes. "So-called 'leader'
of 'nation' mourned by 'people'."
\_ Hearing it from an Israeli source makes it less believable.
\_ No, hearing it from something that sounds like the Israeli
equivalent of the Arch-freeper makes it less believable.
\_ I thought it read more like the New York Post.
\_ NYP is Nobel literature compared to this shit. It's more
like the pro-muslim/pro-Israeli nutjobs at Sather Gate.
\_ Just for the hell of it, I went and read the NYP's
article from today on Arafat for comparison, and
you're absolutely right. This is far kookier.
\_ "medical experts believe the blood-soaked Muslim terror
chief is dying from complications related to the AIDS
virus." Any paper use this kind of language cannot be trusted.
\_ Heh, that's why I posted it. I thought it was funny. |
| 2004/11/2 [Health/Disease/AIDS] UID:34523 Activity:very high |
11/1 You know what I think? The Israelis somehow injected a weird
untraceable virus into Arafat. It's too sudden to be natural:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/11/01/arafat.health.ap/index.html
\_ Why bother with untraceability? Israelis are going to be blamed
regardless.
\_ Probably has AIDS...
\_ Camels carry AIDS?
\_ Lovely, lovely.
\_ So a very old guy who has had a very stressful life falls ill and
it is the Jews' fault? I'm not surprised you would blame the Jews.
The Nazis, the Soviets, the Spanish Inquisitors, the radical Islamic
fascists and many others have blamed the Jews for their own problems
over the course of time. You're in good company.
\_ Bush did it! |
| 2004/8/17-18 [Health/Disease/AIDS] UID:32972 Activity:very high |
8/17 I live in a top floor apt that gets very hot (no AC) and I recently
mail ordered a bunch of condoms that is used very slowly. Is it ok to
store them in the fridge (not freezer) too keep them from the heat?
\_ if some hoser on the motd gives you advice and it's wrong,
you get aids or get someone pregnant. don't be a tard.
call up the condom company and ask them.
\_ Seriously. I don't think this was a real request, or if it
is, dude, I have this new thing called a search engine to
show you.
\_ Fine. you're probably right, it's just a troll. But since
you put it like that, I hereby formally challenge you to
convincingly answer this using a "seach engine."
\_ Why small? |
| 2004/8/11 [Health/Disease/AIDS] UID:32839 Activity:high |
8/11 Bush-Meat might give you a new variant of SIV, the primate version of
HIV: [altered for clarity since idiot OP doesn't know what AIDS is]
http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99996239
\_ Then don't eat Bush's meat.
\_ Tim Russert had better get tested, quick! |
| 2004/8/6 [Health/Disease/AIDS] UID:32736 Activity:moderate |
8/6 Journalism at its best: the closest a long article about "Links between
Prison and AIDS affecting Blacks" gets to prison rape is "Correctional
health experts say the rampant sexual activity among prisoners
depicted in television shows like the HBO prison series \"Oz\" is
exaggerated. But sex in prison certainly occurs."
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/06/national/06aids.html?hp
\_ Two friends of mine argued a case at a debate tournament that
the way to prevent prison rape was soap on a rope... -John
\_ DId they win?
\_ What does soap on a rope do?
\_ Harder to accidentally drop. Bending over to pick up your
soap in a communal shower leads to...
\_ Why not just bend at the knees?
\_ If you prefer oral to rear-entry, sure. |
| 2004/7/21-22 [Health/Disease/AIDS, Recreation/Media] UID:32411 Activity:insanely high |
7/21 Does anyone else think that the 1950's movie beuties were better
looking than the modern oversexed plastic surgery display cases we're
bombarded with today? And I'm not just talking Audrey Hepburn.
\_ The SF/BA is not the entire world, neither is it all of the US
even. Unfortunately, the movie starlettes are picked by contacts
and what their willing to do... not by any means of grace or
beauty.
\_ Huh? I don't know what SF/BA has to do with the topic. I
was only refering to movie stars. (Well, I guess models
too, but I don't have many pictures of 1950's models.)
\_ miss the days when Blacks can only sits at back of bus, huh?
\_ Now *this* is a troll and way off topic, too.
\_ Hi stupid troll! (Was supposed to be here)
\_ yes, more natural beauty, more brains, more taste, more patriotic
\_ more patriotic? more brains? more taste? Were you alive in the
1950s or do you just have a received stereotypical image of them
via other people's nostalgia? I think I've just been trolled,
although I agree on the natural beauty part. Marilyn Monroe
would have been called "fat" by today's standards.
\_ I remember seeing Rear Window for the first time three years ago
and walking out thinking that Grace Kelly was way more beautiful
than any current hollywood star.
\_ in the 50s people like Rosey O' Donald would never have
any chance of appearing on TV. She would have been discriminated.
Is that the kind of world you'd prefer living in?
\_ As nice a thought as that is, it's not true. Go watch some
50's TV, there's some dang ugly people on there.
\_ A world without a Rosie? Is that possible? PLEASE?!
\_ and Marilyn Monroe could never get a role in a movie today.
\_ Stepford Wives. Nice obedient wives who stay home, cook, clean,
and take care of the children... unlike modern bitches of today.
\_ Did I say something about wives? I just refering to the
fact that women in old movies are attractive, and the chicks
in flics today don't even look human, it's kinda creepy.
\_ I agree 100% about the women in a lot of today's media
looking bizarre and inhuman almost, but keep in mind that
a LOT of that is due to digital retouching techniques that
have gotten out of hand. In fact Britney (for instance)
is rather ordinary looking without the Photoshop army working
on her.
\_ Tastes have changed. Instead of Rita Hayworth or Liz
Taylor we have Jennifer Garner. Muscles and fitness
take precedence over classic good looks. We are, I
think, more concerned with the body than the face.
Maybe Marilyn Monroe started that. Not that Liz Taylor
had a bad body, but Jennifer Aniston and J Lo are more
about body than about overall good-looks. Also, styles
have changed. Everyone looks bad in a midriff and
jeans. Women (and men) then had more style in clothes,
hair, and so on.
\_ Stepford wives=1950s women
\_ Get over it. He's talking about the purely physical. The
op hasn't said one word about your stepford wives crap. !op
\_ This is general perception of the decades:
1950s: post WW2, jobs even for HS graduates, lots of jobs,
great burger/fries/milk shakes joints. Lots of land,
suburbia expansion. Sex. Children :) :) :) :) :) :)
1960s: TV. Cars. Antibiotics/immunizations. Pills.
Birth-control pills. FEEL GOOD. :) :) :) :)
1970s: Gas crunch. Highway jam. :(
1980s: Pro-corporation era. Work work work. Workers
outsourced. Japanese threat. Work work work. :( :(
1990s: discovery of AIDS. Population boom, highway
congestion, suburbia crunch. Work work work :( :(
2000s: more suckiness to come.
\_ Dude, your cute little list is one of the shallowest things I've
seen in some time. Aids in the 90's? Vietnam? 60's counter
culture? Cold War/Threat of Nuclear armageddon? Apartheid?
There are so many more impactful things to talk about both
historically and culturally. I suspect you're either very
sheltered or very young.
\_ Erm.. Your "discovery of AIDS" is a tad off.
\_ Interesting. Do you think the people actually living through
your :) decades actually felt that way? Perhaps some of them
did, but I know that my parents who actually lived through
them would have a very different opinion than you. Don't fall
prey to the declining view of history. In many ways we have
made tremendous progress over the last 50 years. Ask a gay
or a black person if they want to go back to the '50s, for
instance.
\_ I won't call that progress. Blacks should go back to Africa
and gays should be killed. It would make the US a better
place. If you want proof, just come down the project.
But wait, you are writing this from the comfort of your
home in an expensive where you don't see those fucking blacks
do you?
\_ Worst. Troll Attempt. Ever.
\_ You. Write. Like. This. Too. Much. .. Please. Stop.
\_ Clue--
\_ While I agree that most of the starlets today aren't very
attractive, there are some exceptions (personally I like
Catherine Zeta-Jones). I also think that Movies these days
rely too much on cg and sex rather than on writing and
story development. Not that cg is bad, I mean where would
Star Trek be w/o cg? :-)
\_ YAY STAR TREK MOVIE GUY! --star trek movie guy #1 fan |
| 2004/7/21 [Health/Disease/AIDS] UID:32399 Activity:insanely high |
7/21 Bible aids in Prison Beer Run:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/07/20/brf.inmates.beer.run.ap/index.html
This is funny. They absolutely should not be charged with escape,_\
that is crap. (unless they were caught on the outside, which does
not seem to be the case).
\_ Why the hell not? Escape is escape even if they came back. And
why are our prisons so cushy that escapees come back?
\_This is funny. They absolutely should not be charged with escape,
that is crap. (unless they were caught on the outside, which does
not seem to be the case). |
| 2004/7/17-18 [Health/Disease/AIDS, Health/Disease/General, Computer/SW/Virus] UID:32334 Activity:moderate |
7/16 What's this email supposedly from mconst sent to jobs@csua? Which
virus is this?
\_ Why does it matter which virus it is?
\_ It doesn't. I'm just curious.
\_ Worm.Bagle.AG detected by ClamAV |
| 2004/7/13 [Health/Disease/General, Health/Disease/AIDS] UID:32249 Activity:insanely high |
7/12 Good thing the FBI is protecting us from those dangerous Art
Professors.
http://www.caedefensefund.org
\_ Cue the motd brain damaged with all sorts of justifications for
this.
\_ Can someone save us from reading useless sarcastic URL descriptions
and just give a real link summary instead? No one has time to read
every stupid untitled URL on the motd.
\_ Some prof. got arrested for using poor judgement when
dealing w/ some bacteria or something. The link is some
sort of propaganda page.
\_ He didn't use poor judgment. The bacteria were harmless
and he used them in art. He called the police because
his wife died (nothing to do with the bacteria) and the
police saw his lab, freaked out, decided he was a
terrorist, confiscated everything, etc. The really
sad thing is once they realized they had made total
fools of themselves they decided the best thing to do
was go full steam ahead and searched for anything they
could to nail the guy. Eventually they found that he
had misrepresented himself to get some of the supplies
(claiming he was a lab of some sort), supplies that
could not be used for bioterrorism BTW, and ended up
charging the guy with fraud. Wife dies, call police,
end up being charge with terrorism for you choice in
art medium. Yay america.
\_ What kind of an idiot makes art w/ a bacteria?
I can understand if you were a jr/hs bio teacher
and you had that stuff in your house, but the
dude was an art prof or something. Should have
had the common sense to stick to paint/pastel.
\_ Bacteria seems useful if your work is a critique
of biotechnology and genetic engineering.
This is art not in the sense of "something pretty
to hang on a wall" but art as social critique.
\_ Under the Bush Regime, artists will only
be permitted to use paint and pastels.
All others will be incarcerated.
\_ No really. You can't be that stupid, you're
just trolling.
\_ this guy is a genius, now that gives me an idea to put
small pox virus in my painting and send it as a gift to the
president.
\_ except for the fact the bacteria he was using were totally harmless
\_ Look, art has become so degenerate in the 20th century, thanks to
the liberal elites, that it no longer serves any moral purpose and
ceases to be understandable by people, including the artists
themselves. Whether a terrorist or not, I am glad this government
is finally trying to bring justice to arts and stop the outrage.
\_ You're trolling, right? Very little art has ever served a moral
purpose. It's purpose has been to make us think or feel a
way. Do you honestly think the government should be deciding
what art is allowed to exist? There's some guys in Afghanistan
who felt the same way...
\_ The guys in Afghanistan knew no art. They were all illterate.
Fiddling with bacteria is not an art. It is just lame.
Have you visited the national gallery in DC? That's art.
\_ While I'm no supporter of all the stuff that wack jobs produce,
art is about change. I think using bacteria as a medium could
produce some great art about life in the 21st century-- biotech,
genetic engineering, the fact that a tiny microbe could kill every
one of us. Have you ever met somebody who thinks his hammer*
is the only tool anyone needs? Same thing with art- you have to
use the medium that's best for what you're doing.
* You can substitute "programming language" or "Linux distro"
for hammer here if that helps.
\_ Wow, this is scary. I think I am going to move back to Singapore. |
| 2004/7/11-12 [Health/Disease/AIDS, Health/Women] UID:32215 Activity:kinda low |
7/11 http://www.eruptzine.com/rant3.html kind of funny to read ("pussy eating corrosives") haha \_ yeah wow that was funny like a pie in the face! woop! woop! woop! |
| 2004/6/23-24 [Health/Disease/AIDS, Health/Disease/General] UID:30979 Activity:high |
6/23 http://csua.org/u/7w8 The boy's mutant DNA segment was found to block production of a protein called myostatin that limits muscle growth. The news comes seven years after researchers at Johns Hopkins University in Baltimore created buff "mighty mice" by "turning off" the gene that directs cells to produce myostatin. "Now we can say that myostatin acts the same way in humans as in animals," said the boy's physician, Dr. Markus Schuelke, a professor in the child neurology department at Charite/University Medical Center Berlin. "We can apply that knowledge to humans, including CREATING MUTANT SUPER-SOLDIERS THAT CAN CRUSH THE SKULLS OF THEIR ENEMIES WITH THEIR BARE HANDS. MUHAHAHAHAHA!!!1!!" \_ Why do you hate DNA? \_ Thinking like this will destabalize the human genome for generations to come. \_ Why do you hate children? \_ Because when you have them your freedom goes away. |
| 2004/6/23 [Health/Disease/AIDS, Health/Disease/General] UID:30968 Activity:nil |
6/23 Viral therapy for cocaine addicts:
http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99996055
\_ It's technically more like gene therapy, with a virus used
as the delivery vector. I worked on something tangentially
related to this a few years ago. |
| 2004/5/10 [Health/Disease/AIDS, Health/Dental, Health/Disease/General] UID:30127 Activity:high |
5/9 Porn star becomes a doctor. You can do that too.
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/10/national/10PORN.html?hp
\_ No URL, no explanation? Is there any reason this should not be
deleted?
\_ is there any reason why it should be deleted? you fucktard.
\_ There's nothing to discuss
\_ It's an interesting story, man. There's more to life than
computers.
\_ The OP posted it without a URL. There *was* nothing to
discuss.
\_ so what.
\_[Content free responses deleted]
\_ Yeah, but do any Internet Rock Stars become doctors? |
| 2004/4/6-7 [Health/Disease/AIDS, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:13046 Activity:nil |
4/6 http://www.thememoryhole.org Wired also has a story about it. \_ Ah, finally looked at the mutilation pics. Nice. Grinning kids looking like they're on a pleasant field trip, charred torso being poked. They should have set up a soccer game with one of the heads. \_ Actually, I meant the docs about the goings-on of 9/11. I guess I should have posted the http://wired.com article instead. \_ Or maybe some of the context for the link. Duh. \_ Mind read or die, scum! |
| 2004/3/8 [Health/Disease/AIDS] UID:12564 Activity:nil |
3/7 Mystery virus prevents AIDS:
http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99994742
\_ not really |
| 2004/2/24-25 [Recreation/Dating, Health/Disease/AIDS, Health/Sleeping] UID:12383 Activity:high |
2/24 Yahoo! News - Half of Young Americans to Get Sex Diseases -Study
http://csua.org/u/65j
Holy cow! I'd better stop sleeping around.
\_ I pity the poor dumb bastards at school now. I fucked my way
through school and didn't catch a thing. I used about 5 condoms
the whole time.
\_ How many other guys' semen have you indirectly touched with your
penis?
\_ it wasn't so indirect...
\_ Uh oh, homophobia hits the motd. None probably but if one or
more was slutting around and dripping with cum and I didn't
notice I think I survived. Thanks for caring!
\_ You believed it the chick said she was on the pill?
\_ What's the incubation period of AIDS again?
\_ Wow, this sounds pretty tin-foil condom to me.
\_ while I think condom is safe and all, I don't use them anymore.
When I started screwing this chick who was on the pill, I never
wanted to go back to condoms again. It just feels sooooooo much
better without the condom. It's like the difference between
getting a massage with a hammer vs. getting a massage with bare
naked hands. Having sex without condom is like, drugs, once you're
on it you get hooked forever.
\_ Agreed. And I take care of the safety issue by marrying a
virgin.
\_ Americans have the highest STD rate in the industrialized world?
But what about those amoral French? This can't be Tr00000!
\_ the french have sex-ed! Ignorance Is Truth!
\_ the french people i know seem to be quite priggish about sex.
\_ Er, I was kidding? You guys are a swift bunch here in
motdlandia.
\_ the promiscuity of the french seems to be an enduring
stereotype.
\_ Yo. Dude. I was kidding. HELLO. EARTH TO STUPID
MAN.
\_ you know, the world doesn't quite revolve you.
the fact that you were kidding is mostly
coincidental to the point that there is an
enduring stereotype.
\_ The world doesn't revolve me? Whoa dude,
that's like profound and shit.
\_ Of course the world revolves you. If it
didn't you would fly off into space. |
| 2004/2/19 [Health/Disease/AIDS] UID:12304 Activity:nil |
2/18 If you want to defend President Bush, post your defense on MOTD
instead of simply censor it.
Scientists Accuse White House of Distortion:
http://www.npr.org/rundowns/segment.php?wfId=1683040
\_ Further evidence why science should not be politicized.
The piece is partisan fluff by journalists feeding
at the public trough; zero facts just accusatory
demagoguery literally about saving the children.
So I went to the full report:
Global Warming -
http://www.uoguelph.ca/~rmckitri/research/trc.html
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1010124/posts
Air Pollution - no comment because they don't provide
enough evidence. Yes obviously lead
and mercury are bad but exactly how
much money is society willing to spend
to reduce them to parts per trillion
levels. And guess what, lead and mercury
are naturally occurring! Are we going
to scrub the environment clean of these
elemements??
Abstinence / AIDS - AIDS is transmitted by almost
entirely by promiscous homosexuals
engaging literally in tens or 100's of
anonymous unprotected sex acts a
year. Why should I be expected to
pay for someone's reckless acts of
irresponsibility?
All Bush mandated was that the same
amount be spent on abstinence
programs as is spent giving free
birth control pills to HS students
without their parents consent.
\_ Are you really this stupid?
Did you not pay attention in sex ed
during high school? You just massively
discredited yourself. I suppose all the
"fags" forced all the heterosexuals with
AIDS to engage in gay orgies? -John
\_ The percentage of straight victims is
near zero compared to the numbers for gay
males, drug addicts, and men visiting
prostitutes. Once you take the spouses
of bi-sexual men, drug addicts and
'johns' out of the numbers, you don't
have too many non-gay victims in the US
population. John, you're the one who has
massively discredited themself with your
hot button pushing ranting and hysteria.
Calm down, stop knee jerking, smoke a
joint and find some facts.
\_ Has it ever occurred to you that
"the gay community", due to its
historically higher exposure, has
a much higher awareness and
reporting rate for AIDS? Kill all
fags. -John
Endangered species act - tell that to those people in
Klamath falls and those whose
livelihood depends on development
of natural resources. Massive
ongoing cases of scientific
fraud inside the EPA and Forest
Service
\_ Ah, you rail against unsubstantiated
claims, and your evidence is utterly
impeccable. Q.f. 'Other Peoples'
Money", Danny De Vito's diatribe about
buggy whip manufacturers. -John
\_ Say what? Pass that joint over here!
Or at least try again.
\_ I can't, I'm too busy
hysterically ranting against
freeper idiots. -John
Aluminum tubes - I stopped here because this reveals the
entire agenda of the 'paper'. When Islamic
radicals detonate a nuclear weapon
on US soil I hope all those who propose
a policy of capitulation are in the
blast radius.
\_ We should also ban export of screwdrivers
because they can be used to build n00ks.
\_ Standard red herring. This is just like
saying we shouldn't lock our front doors
at night because a burglar can always
break a window. Do you use "password" as
your password because hey they can always
break in using an ssh bug anyway? |
| 2004/1/22-23 [Health/Disease/AIDS, Health/Disease/General, Health/Men] UID:11889 Activity:moderate |
1/22 http://csua.org/u/5ns More on the syphilis/chat room connection. \_ LORD, SAVE US FROM THE GAYEEEES!! \_ AND THOSE PERVEEERT LESBEENS!! \_ oh my god! almost 7000 cases nationwide of a disease which is easily cured with antibiotics! Let's shut down the Internet! -tom |
| 2003/12/1-2 [Health/Disease/AIDS] UID:29681 Activity:nil |
12/1 Wow. I didn't know Asimov died of AIDS:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaac_Asimov
\_ Bad blood transfusion. Fact of cause of death was withheld for
ten years after his death.
\_ right... like we believe that. |
| 2003/11/22 [Health/Disease/AIDS, Politics/Foreign] UID:11185 Activity:nil |
11/21 S.F. has nation's highest syphilis rate
http://csua.org/u/52d
Must be the foggy weather
\_ Must be that you're an evil rich white male oppressor racist!
\_ You really are obsessed with this. You need help.
\_ It is good to be #1 in something, at least.
\_ SF is #1 in several things, none of them good. |
| 2003/11/21 [Health/Disease/AIDS] UID:11166 Activity:high |
11/21 Syph, aids, gay men, etc:
http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=20031120-044239-3323r
\_ Do you get some kind of sexual satisfaction from rehashing this
topic over and over again?
\_ Hating gays helps distract him from his celibacy.
\_ http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2002-09-18-detroit-syphilis_x.htm |
| 2003/10/23 [Health/Disease/AIDS] UID:10748 Activity:nil |
10/22 What are some applications or general set of problems that are most
suited to be solved on server farms? I know of stuff like SETI.
But I was thinking along the lines of problems that are specially
suited for large number of machines interconnected to massive
storage in one centralized place (little network latency). Thanks.
\_ hosting large web sites.
\_ lots of bioinformatics problems
\_ http://www.fightaidsathome.org BTW I vaguely remember that its number of
participants is much lower than SETI@home, even though fighting AIDS
seems more important. Anyone knows why?
\_ because if we find aliens it'll change the course of human
history dramatically, but if we stop aids, it just means one
less way out of thousands to die. death is common, aliens are
not. others understand that fighting aids is not more important
when most aids carriers got it through voluntary activities. the
only true aids victims are hemophiliacs and surgey patients who
got tainted blood and similar situations.
\_ bad troll--the true nutcase AIDS troll is Duesberg's
"AIDS doesn't exist" position.
\_ it's not a troll. it's the truth. i expressed my opinion.
if you disagree, say why. if you take it up the ass a few
times a week from strangers you're going to get aids and
that's no one's fault but your own. i've got no sympathy
for any new cases that have come along in the last 10 years
from people engaging in known risky activity. the same
goes for iv drug users, or anyone else engaging in high
risk activity that has been *known* to be high risk and a
near guarantee of a death sentence since the early 90s. at
this point no adult has the excuse of not knowing what
causes aids or how to avoid it.
\_ seti@home was first, and had great publicity.
I'm guessing if the roles of the two projects
were reversed in terms of publicity and timing,
it would be the other way round.
\_ What about the third world?
\_ I agree on the true victim part.
\_ I guess the class of problems are those which the ratio of CPU time
to data size is high, and the data can be divided into independent
sets.
\_ molecular biology, specifically for studying protein folding.
\_ Oceanography, meteorology, and lots of other Earth sciences. We
use supercomputers for gravity modeling. The best problems are
those where the next operation does not involve the result from the
previous operation (e.g. Monte Carlo sims). --dim
\_ Yes. a variety of statistical analyses and modeling is most
common. MCMC, especially, since you can run 100 independent
threads, and then merge them all together for analysis. -nivra
\_ Neuroimaging. Structural MRI comparisons across subjects and
through populations using volumetric tensor fields. Functional
studies making comparisons across groups for 4D scans. Check out
http://www.loni.ucla.edu -drex |
| 2003/10/22-23 [Health/Disease/AIDS] UID:10737 Activity:nil |
10/21 Elliot Smith, RIP
http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/news/03-10/22.shtml |
| 2003/10/22 [Health/Disease/AIDS] UID:10730 Activity:nil |
10/21 Why, specifically, do gay men have a higher chance of getting
HIV?
\_ because it bleeds.
\_ and because gay men are more promiscuous.
\_ Comparing to whom? Straight men? Lesbian women?
\_ http://www.virusmyth.com
\_ My god, are people still buying this crap? From the NIH:
http://www.niaid.nih.gov/factsheets/evidhiv.htm
\_ I think the South African govt still does.
\_ And you wonder why they have the highest infection rate
in Africa? Burying your head in the sand does not help.
\_ CDC to the rescue:
http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/pubs/faq/faq22.htm
\_ It is better to give than to receive. http://www.holybible.org
\_ Oh, that's why those priests "gave" to the young boys all the
time. |
| 2003/10/16 [Recreation/Dating, Health/Disease/AIDS] UID:10658 Activity:nil |
10/16 I'm not sure if the aids infected guy is worse or his wife:
http://www.thisislondon.com/til/jsp/modules/Article/print.jsp?itemId=7172821 |
| 2003/10/13 [Health/Disease/AIDS] UID:10609 Activity:high |
10/13 What kind of protection do you use and why?
pill:.
\_ it is what she prefers
condom:
\_ too much hassle
nothing: .
\_ cuz it feels better
\_ and you want to be a daddy
\_ What is up with the safe sex questions lately on the motd? Did
none of you get basic sex education in school? Do you not know
how to use google?
\_ well I used to use the condom but lately I've been
using nothing and it feel SOOOOOOOOOO much better and
now I don't ever want to go back using the condom.
\_ What's up, Daddy?
\_ Catholics trying to figure out if the Church was lying when
it said condoms don't prevent the spread of AIDS?
sleep with _your_ wife/gf: .
\_ so you can raise my kids
abstinence: .
my geekly magnetism driving away the girls:
\_ hi geordan!
chastity belt: |
| 2003/10/7-8 [Health/Disease/AIDS] UID:10514 Activity:insanely high |
10/7 Great WaPo article about retired woman working at Hardee's to pay for
health insurance:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A42036-2003Oct3.html
\_ How do I get this site to work with links-not-lynx?
\_ sick.
\_ She's not retired, she's only 58!
\_ Let's be real. Her generation is the wealthiest generation ever
and is more wealthy than ours (I'm 30) will be. They bought houses
for $15K 30 years ago that are worth $500+K now. They receive
Social Security and a lot of them had good pensions from work, too.
I feel bad for this lady, but I don't want to hear any 50 or 60
somethings bitching about not having money to retire with. I'll
have to work until I'm 70 for a fraction of her SS (if I'm lucky)
and no pension, but a 401(k) made mostly of my own money. Boo hoo.
\_ Seriously, if it was your mom, would you just tell her
TANSTAAFL and get back to work?
\_ Seriously, my mom has no retirement and will be fucked
when she retires, having only SS. It's all her own damn
fault. I may help her if I can, but this is my problem
not yours. Feel free to donate money to this total stranger
if it makes you feel good. I have my own problems. She's
got a job and we've (society) already paid $97000 for her
heart surgery. What the hell does she want after all?
\_ My mom is in the same boat, btw.
\_ Why I am not surprised that sodans don't care about their
mothers?
\_ We just care about yermom. Cared, last night.
\_ Mom's a bit of a slut. Btw she has AIDS.
\_ Pres. Bush probably ripped her off personally. But, as stated above,
there will be ZERO Social Security for our generation. In fact,
most likely the Fed will retroactively tax your 401k
to pay for greedy seniors. |
| 2003/9/2 [Health/Disease/AIDS, Health/Disease/General] UID:10035 Activity:nil |
9/1 Full text of article on prison healthcare, from August 2003 Harper's:
http://www.wrongfuldeathinstitute.com/links/sickontheinside.htm
Just to give you an idea of why you might want to care about this,
here's a short quote: "It is worth noting, then, that somewhere
between 20 and 40 percent of American prisoners are, at this very
moment, infected with hepatitis C, and therefore quite contagious.
It is also worth noting that most of them will eventually be released
back into the general population, where the infection rate is, for
now, only about 2 percent."
\_ And you know how HepC spreads, right? No worries here.
\_ All kinds of ways... pretty much anything that involves
bleeding. You didn't read the article, did you?
\_ And since no one has ever bled on me...
\_ Since I'm not regularly having penetrative unprotected anal
sex with ex-cons I think I'm ok with this. No, I didn't read
the article but I do know how HepC spreads.
\_ Ever heard of fistfights? And why don't you read the
article? Hear no evil, see no evil, eh?
\_ Or say someone working in food service and who doesn't wash
their hands well.
\_ Right. Hepatitus is thousands of times more virulent than
say, HIV, and it takes a lot less than unprotected anal
intercourse to transmit the virus.
\_ Don't confuse Hep A with C, which is far less easily
transmitted.
http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/diseases/hepatitis/c/fact.htm
\_ useful! thanks. as far as i can tell, my risk will
remain zero even after some huge population of
infected former inmates is reaeased into the general
population.
\_ Oh I get it. Since YOU won't be directly affected,
you don't care. Only things that directly endanger
overweight semi-virginal system administrators are
worth caring about.
\_ Even if they do, the faucets aren't clean anyway. |
| 2003/8/1-2 [Health/Disease/AIDS, Health/Disease/General, Computer/SW/Virus] UID:29210 Activity:kinda low |
8/1 Are people really naturally just idiots? There's an email with a virus
floating around in our company, and everyone is panicking like little
girls. Seems like everyone is doing a reply all stating this is a virus
or asking what to do or having conversations ("Hey Bob, I think this is
a virus. What do you think?"). FUCKERS.
\_ I think you are old enough to know the truth. Yes. Yes they are.
\_ They're just trying to do anything to avoid work. You know, like
writing to /etc/motd.public. |
| 2003/5/22 [Health/Disease/AIDS, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iran, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Others] UID:28522 Activity:high |
5/21 Bayer sells medicine that carried high risk of transmitting
AIDS in Asia and Latin America after it stop selling it in
the west. 100 people in Hong Kong and Taiwan got HIV after
using Bayer's medicine.
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/05/22/business/22BLOO.html
\_ So? Don't those other countries have their own control over drugs
in the marketplace? You know there are drugs approved for use in
Europe that aren't allowed here? They should protect themselves
better and not rely on foreign nations to decide what drugs are
good or bad for their people.
\_ you have no idea what your great country is doing. USA
never reluctant to throw their weight around to sell their
products. if the government is not co-operating... well,
the worse case is what happened to Guatemala, Iran, and
Iraq - government got overthrown by US either conventional
or covert forces.
\_ uhhh, Bayer is german! damn nazi's experimenting again.
\_ So the Great White Satan goes to these countries and says,
"You must accept our poisoned drugs or we'll invade your
country and install a government that will sell our broken
drugs to your citizens"? Stop reading so much
alt.conspiracy.esl.
\_ You've read too many Gibson novels. Perhaps you should
sit down, put a damp towel over your head and take a long
rest.
\_ Hasn't government basically dissapeard in Gibson's
futuristic novels? Is the US government mentioned
even once in the Sprawl series?
\_ any citizens of foreign nation who is politically
conscious know this. These are facts, not fictions.
For most part, USA just throw its economic weight
around, and because USA is the largest export market,
that is usually enough. It's unfortunate for Iran
and Iraq, because oil is too much to gave up.
\_ Iran? You mean that we invaded Iran for their oil?
WTF are you babbling about? You're beneath idiocy.
\_ You know that the US overthrew a democratically
elected leader in Iran and had the Shah installed
in his place in 1953, right?
\_ Could you join us in the current century please? And
as always, it's not nearly as grade school simple as
you'd like to portray history.
\_ Good troll. Lots of bites.
\_ You are moron. -aaron
\_ "You are [a] moron. -aaron" [corrected]
\_ You are fool" -!aaron
\_ I am not aaron - eric |
| 2003/3/17 [Health/Disease/AIDS, Health/Skin] UID:27729 Activity:nil |
3/17 An update on my skin. :-) Besides using my wife's skin care products,
eating well and excercise has really helped also. I have this healthy
pinkish glow to my cheeks and my lips are getting redder. My skin
SHINES! Women at work at noticing me and striking up conversations
with me. Even the gay men are checking me out. It's quite flattering.
My wife thinks I'm the ultimate pretty boy now. -guy with good skin
\_ how's the sex with UCLA EE guy?
\_ how's the sex with your gay coworkers? Made any money in
the Castro? Enough to quit your day job and pay for AIDS drugs? |
| 2002/12/2 [Health/Disease/AIDS] UID:26691 Activity:nil |
11/28 A Thanksgiving prayer by WSB:
Thanks for the wild turkey and the passenger pigeons, destined to
be shit out through wholesome American guts.
Thanks for a continent to despoil and poison.
Thanks for Indians to provide a modicum of challenge and danger.
Thanks for vast herds of bison to kill and skin leaving the
carcasses to rot.
Thanks for the American dream, To vulgarize and to falsify until
the bare lies shine through.
Thanks for the KKK.
For nigger-killin' lawmen, feelin' their notches.
For decent church-goin' women, with their mean, pinched, bitter,
evil faces.
Thanks for "Kill a Queer for Christ" stickers.
Thanks for laboratory AIDS.
Thanks for Prohibition and the war against drugs.
Thanks for a country where nobody's allowed to mind the own business.
Thanks for a nation of finks.
\_ Yeah, thanks for the nation of finks that turned in those two
serial killers who were shooting random people on the East Coast.
Yes, thanks for all the memories-- all right let's see your arms!
You always were a headache and you always were a bore.
Thanks for the last and greatest betrayal of the last and
greatest of human dreams.
\_ What is WSB and q.v.v. - thanks.
\_ I hate white people too! Let's go kill some crackers! |
| 2002/11/2-3 [Health/Disease/AIDS] UID:26387 Activity:insanely high |
11/1 how many different continents have you have sex on?
1 - .
2 - ......
3 - ....
\_ woo! i rule! --aaron
\_ how many different chicks?
\_ er, how many are from Asian hookers?
\_ C'mon, aaron's good-looking enough to get laid
without resorting to paying whores.
\_ Good looking has nothing to do with getting laid for
guys since most women can't even agree on what a good
looking guy looks like.
\_ 9 out of 10 hot chicks agree: aaron's good looking.
\_ URL?
\_ does yermom count as a continent?
4 - ...
\_ sure am glad I made that trip to South America!
\_ Did you go and do some random chick there or bring along
a gf? I'm too scared of disease to ever consider the former.
\_ 33% of all sexually active Americans over the age of
10 have some kind of venereal disease. You can
get herpes just *kissing* someone. 1/4 of all
new American AIDS cases are in people under 21.
Don't think for a second that the lack of mud huts
and unpaved roads means this is a sexual paradise.
\_ WTF are you? A dorm health worker/condom dispenser?
How about a real berakdown for those AIDS stats? How
How about a real breakdown for those AIDS stats? How
many new cases are from male homosexual sex vs hetero
sexual sex? With a few loud exceptions the motd
doesn't care about gay men getting AIDS. AIDS is an
activity transmitted disease, not age related.
\_ Do you have a herpes-diseased genital area with
lots of broccoli-shaped growths?
\_ Not until after I did yermom. Were you the guy
in the mask and cock ring?
0 - . \_ How come I have to add this choice?
\_ Because you're the only virgin left on the motd? Everyone
else at least went to SF or Oakland and got a hooker once?
\_ there are hookers in Berkeley too!
\_ where are the hookers in Oakland and Berkeley?
\_ San Pablo!
\_ That's like being in Oakland though.
\_ San Pablo and where? It's a long street!
\_ San Pablo and Oakland. |
| 2002/9/17-18 [Health/Disease/AIDS] UID:25920 Activity:high |
9/17 http://monkeybagel.com/pumas.html \_ Where's my chaingun and hovercraft? |
| 2002/7/16 [Health/Disease/AIDS] UID:25371 Activity:high |
7/16 Everyone, say hello to "Sicko": http://csua.org/u/94 \_ "...... South Africa, where one in nine people have the virus that can lead to AIDS." Scary. \_ Some countries are around 1 in 3. This stuff is so necessary, our legislators should be dragged into the streets for being "worried". \_ Gotta love the fact that lawmakers are more afraid of a puppet than the actual disease. \_ A related note: Are HIV-positive kids in the US currently allowed to go to regular child-care centers or kindergartens? How do they prevents kids from exchanging body fluids like tears or saliva? \_ they don't need to; AIDS doesn't spread through tears or saliva. \_ Oh really? Would you bet your life on that? Your child's? |
| 2002/7/16-18 [Health/Disease/AIDS] UID:25370 Activity:kinda low |
7/16 Come join AIDS Walk San Francisco, this Sunday 7/21.
http://www.aidswalk.net/sanfran/index.html
\_ It's all a complete scam - you're being played.
\_ care to elaborate?
\_ I thought that was AIDS Ride, is the walk similarly
run?
\_ I walked once a few years ago. It was real. |
| 2002/7/10 [Health/Disease/AIDS] UID:25320 Activity:nil |
7/9 Be safe. Get snipped.
http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99992519
"She says more than 30 studies have suggested a halving of the risk of
HIV transmission if the male sexual partner is circumcised. Gayle is
calling for further studies to investigate whether there is a clear
cause and effect between the procedure and the risk reduction."
\_ how about a much simplier solution: have your partner tested!!
\_ What? And pretend I'm not in love!!?? |
| 2002/7/8-10 [Health/Disease/AIDS, Science/Biology] UID:25306 Activity:insanely high 50%like:25845 |
7/8 A moment of silence for Gene Kan. RIP.
\_ who?
\_ how did he die?
\_ Care to provide more info?
\_ the one who wrote the open source Gnutella?
\_ (URL inserted at top so out of chronological order:). DETAILS:
Gene Kan
Summary:
Better human being than most.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=581&e=4&cid=581&u=/nm/20020710/tc_nm/people_kan_dc_5
\_ http://news.com.com/2100-1023-942180.html?tag=fd_top
\_ Sun PR says it was an accident:
http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/020708/us_obit_kan_1.html
\_ Does anyone know if there will be a public service?
Gene will be very missed, even by those that haven't seen
him for a while. -randal
\_ a new Wired news writeup indicates suicide.
http://www.wired.com/news/culture/0,1284,53704-2,00.html
\_ anyone archive his resume?
\_ no duh!!! When a Chinese family shuts up about the method of
death it's almost always a suicide because there's suppose to
be a mark of shame for the family. If it's heart attack or
cancer they'd have nothing to hide.
\_ is this type of thinking documented somewhere? Url?
Because if it ain't on the Internet, _/
it can't be true
Just culturally curious and trying to keep you honest.
The other sources said it was an "accident".
\_ one of the Buddists' rules says that you'll
go to hell if you commit suicide. Another common
saying is "It's better to live like a dog than
to die like a king." It's a Chinese thing.
\_ When the "quote" gets so specific I suspect
you do know what you wrote is incorrect.
Suicide's paving the road to hell has been a
long held belief of Catholics, and possibly
other religions also consider it as self-murder.
But buddhism is conspicuously not in that group.
Indeed buddHists monks routinely, though not on
large scale, commit suicide. Most families
feel uneasy about the suicide of a member, in
addition to pain. It's of course possible that
your family doesn't, if you have one, and they
will go to Jerry's show over your body. Asian
families, and to some extent every group that
in general have more "family values" than trailer
tribes tend to prefer to keep such thing private,
which I like, and lean toward denial, which
than die well." There is neither dog
nor king, and it is an attitude usually ascribed
to the lower classes who supposedly have no
shame. There are many more sayings to the
contrary for the self-respecting ones, so you
I don't. BTW, the saying you quoted literally
translates to "it's better to live marginally
than die well." There is neither dog nor king,
and it is an attitude usually ascribed to those
who have no shame and will do or say anything to
get by. There are many more sayings to the
contrary for the self-respecting ones, but you
don't have to know them.
\_ same with many christian families. like my folks did
when my brother did it. berkeley gets another...
\_ Doubt it. If he died of AIDS or Bob Crane-style, they'd
shut up about it.
\_ yeah, Chinese families--"what? you only sold InfraSearch for
$10 million!?" too much pressure. |
| 2002/6/28 [Health/Disease/AIDS] UID:25233 Activity:nil |
6/27 ...The city [SF] used $50,000 in taxpayer funds to create a "whimsical"
public awareness project called "Healthy Penis 2002."
http://freerepublic.com/focus/news/707437/posts |
| 2002/3/24-25 [Health/Disease/AIDS] UID:24215 Activity:very high |
3/23 Real-time ACM World Finals scoreboard:
http://icpc.baylor.edu/icpc/Finals/Scoreboard/full.html
Problem set: http://icpc.baylor.edu/icpc/Finals/problems.pdf
\_ has cal ever won the finals?
\_ Yes. http://icpc.baylor.edu/past/icpc96/Report.html
\_ did they win because stanford was not competing
or is that wrong to say?
\_ I think that was the year everyone else withdrew.
\_ woohoo! the two sweetest words in the english
language! de-fault! de-fault!
\_ GO BEARS! Honorable mention right in between U. of Arkansas and U.
of Nebraska - Lincoln! Maybe next time Cal can beat U. of Central
Florida for the coveted position of 27th place! Way to go!
\_ derision is easy. How well have *you* done in ACM
competitions? -tom
\_ Missing point (again). Was I deriding individual team
members? No. I was deriding CS education at Cal in general.
You knew that though... I hope. You're not still smarting
over that AIDS thread and feeling soft for all victims of
derision, are you? It's ok, we still like you even when
you're provably wrong.
you're provably wrong. [censored and restored]
\_ the only reason tom would be missing a point is that
your responses are so damned pointless. -jon |
| 2002/3/22-23 [Politics/Domestic/President/Reagan, Health/Disease/AIDS, Recreation/Celebrity/MichaelJackson] UID:24195 Activity:insanely high |
3/22 People born in the 70s and grew up in the 80s had:
madonna, michael jackson, star wars, top gun, aids, etc.
\_ I didn't have AIDS
\_ Very few people
have it. Fewer
contract it.
(read urls below)
\_ Winner:
Unclear on
the Concept
Award.
\_ Those things existed, but so what? They were painful then
and painful now and all of them are still here so what's
the difference? (Tom Cruise is still here even if his
earlier movies are forgotten)
\_ Technically star wars is from the 70's. Or did you mean
Empire and ROTJ.
How about the people born in the 80s and grew up in the 90s? What
is your equivalent? I'm wondering if there's a generation gap with
you young folks.
\_ fuck your pop culture. i was born in '76 and grew up in the 80's
and know nothing for your pansy ass micheal jackson crap.
DRI, Metallica, Iron maiden, motorhead, minor threat, black flag,
repo man, thrasher magazine, skateboarding, setting stuff on
fire, hating ronald reagan, being an anarchist, programming
the apple ][e in assembler...
\_ So Reagan was in office from 81 to 88 which makes you all of
about 12 when he *left* office. And you were all of about 14
when the 80s ended. So you were a Reagan hating anarchist
listening to Iron Maiden all through the 80s from age 4 to 14?
Sure, kid, sure. We all know the 90s sucked but trying to worm
your way into the 80s with bad math won't help you any.
\_ They get nothing. They are weak and easily pushed to the wall.
\_ Ewe! You are so 80s!
\_ How dare you call them a sheep.
\_ you mean there are people born in the 80s? How weird is that?
\_ VH1, Win95, High Speed Internet, AIM, PlayStation
\_ You really want to lay claim to vh1, win95 and AIM?
\_ I'm just saying these are things that kids growing
up in the 90's had. I'm not saying that they are
good. Some other things that 90s kids had:
Linux, Street Fighter 2, MTV's Real World/Spring Break,
Gulf War, bad scifi (TNG, DS9, VOY, B5, etc.)
\_ They had fewer parents, more pregnancies and higher
rates of drug use and suicide, too. |
| 2002/3/22-24 [Health/Disease/AIDS] UID:24189 Activity:insanely high |
3/21 Peter Duesberg's HIV/AIDS research web site, he's a
MCB Professor here at Berkeley who isolated the
first cancer gene.
http://www.duesberg.com/index.html
\_ it's interesting that drug needle sharing is cited by orthodox
groups as being a major cause of hiv infection. this indicates to
me that a lot of aids patients had a history of drug abuse, if
past needle sharing shows up significantly as a cause. how many
regular folks shoot up on heroin or hang out with those who do?
i'll give this guy the benefit of the doubt enough to support
funding the guy's research.
\_ Took a class from him years ago before his ideas and reputation got
stomped on by the politcally correct science crowd. He was good.
\_ are you for real? what class did you take? where did you
see him speak? Duesberg also thinks cancer is a myth. ok i
admit i am over simplifying. his partner in kookdom David
Rasnick announced in January he was going to inject himself
with the AIDS virus to prove it doesn't hurt, did he follow up
on that? - danh
\_ Hmm, these people seem to disagree with you. Check
the list then ask yourself who is more credible.
http://www.virusmyth.net/aids/group.htm
Oh, and BTW, the Nobel Laureate
Kary Mullis who invented
PCR also seems to disagree with you.. but alas,
I'm SURE you know better!
\_ Just because a huge list of PhD's, Nobel Laureates and
others not easily written off as crackpots think there
might be something worth looking into doesn't mean jack.
tom already told us the way it is. Why question it?
\_ gee, anonymous insults. How useful. -tom
\_ Yes. It was around 1992. Something like MCB 6 or something
like that. A lecture series course which he co-taught with
someone else who left no impression on me at all. I don't
know if the other guy injected himself or what happened to
any of the others in France, etc who injected themselves with
various things.
\_ you mean his idea that AIDS isn't caused by the HIV virus?
The guy's a crackpot, and it has nothing to do with
political correctness. (He's a good example of how you
can always find a professor to support any crackpot theory) -tom
\_ Hmm, I was there and heard what he had to say all semester and
you read the Reader's Digest, maybe? Yes, your sources are
much better than mine. Excuse my error. You're entirely
right.
\_ A man came up to me and said
I'd like to poison your mind
With wrong ideas that appeal to you
Though I am not unkind. -tom
\_ Nice poetry. Reader's Digest Poetry Edition?
\_ Nice TMBG ref.
\_ The home page says he's only referring to American/European
AIDS regarding that issue, not African AIDS. I haven't read
the rest yet so I don't know yet what the difference is.
\_ "The African AIDS epidemic fails all criteria of a
microbial or viral epidemic"
Oh and by the way, the Holocaust was invented by the
Jewish media. -tom
\_ Sorry, Tom, but tossing around the Holocaust and the
Jewish media and other hot button phrases doesn't make
a valid argument or support your points in any way.
\_ And your argument is...what? -tom
\_ That some people know more about what he has to
say than you do and find his work interesting
and his theories worth examining without instant
dismissal from the PC crowd which is exactly what
happened. 20 years later and no one can tell you
how HIV turns into AIDS. They only refer to it
as 'happening' as a matter of fact. He might be
100% wrong on everything he says but that can't
be said currently without more intellectual
honesty regarding his theories.
\_ Do you really see molecular biologists as a PC
crowd? Maybe his theories were dismissed
because they have no basis in reality. -tom
\_ They're people. People have agendas.
A science degree doesn't make someone
magically immune to bias and certainly
doesn't make them suddenly not afraid of
losing grant money by backing a theory
that offends a certain segment of
society. Maybe his theories have no
basis in reality. It hasn't been proven
either way. He was simply smeared away.
Wouldn't it be dreadful if he's right or
even partially right and we've lost 15+
years fighting the wrong disease?
\_ ...or poisoning people by trying to
cure it?
\_ exactly. What if the current
approach is akin to leaches?
\_ The current approach demonstrably
saves people's lives. If you don't
believe that, there's no hope for
you. -tom
\_ If you believe that without
considering all scientific
alternative explanations then
there's no hope for you.
\_ Did you even read the articles
on the site? His papers indicate
the opposite.
\_ tom doesn't need to read. he
already knows everything. dont
let mere facts get in his way!
\_ Tom has confused the
practice of some scholars
to weigh in on subjectd
to weigh in on subjects
the dont have expertise in
[something tom himself has
expertise in] with a
scholar weighing in on
something in his area.
\_ gee, more anonymous
insults. You guys
are incredibly manly
and intelligent. -tom
\_ Either that or
you are too
insecure to admit
when you are
wrong.
\_ tell us about the
stars, ilyas. -tom
\_ You sure that
was me, tom? As
sure as you are
about AIDS?
-- ilyas
\_ now *that's*
a flame-war! |
| 2002/3/6-7 [Health/Disease/AIDS] UID:24031 Activity:high |
3/6 The Hammurderer is quickly becoming regarded as the worst-received
advertising mascot since Kool-Aid's 1989 discontinuation of "The
Grapist," a huge purple monster who sodomizes thirsty children.
\_ "Come mr. taliban, tally me banana..."
\_ Are you saying there's a... towelly-ban?
\_ You wanna get high? |
| 2001/11/22 [Health/Disease/AIDS] UID:23078 Activity:kinda low |
11/22 Thanks for the wild turkey and the passenger pigeons,
destined to be shit out through wholesome American guts.
Thanks for a continent to despoil and poison.
Thanks for Indians to provide a modicum of challenge and danger.
Thanks for vast herds of bison to kill and skin
leaving the carcasses to rot.
Thanks for bounties on wolves and coyotes.
Thanks for the American dream,
To vulgarize and to falsify until the bare lies shine through.
Thanks for the KKK. For nigger-killin' lawmen, feelin' their notches.
For decent church-goin' women,with their mean,pinched,bitter,evil faces.
Thanks for "Kill a Queer for Christ" stickers.
Thanks for laboratory AIDS.
Thanks for Prohibition and the war against drugs.
Thanks for a country where nobody's allowed to mind the own business.
Thanks for a nation of finks.
Yes, thanks for all the memories-- all right let's see your arms!
You always were a headache and you always were a bore.
Thanks for the last and greatest betrayal of the last and
greatest of human dreams.
\_ Yawn.... Oh? Did you say something? |
| 2001/8/2 [Health/Disease/AIDS, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:21986 Activity:low |
8/2 Anyone knows how to make the auto-archive in ~mehlhaff/tmp/motd,v work
again?
\_ mehlhaff does.
\_ yeah make soda stop rebooting
\_ That's like selling your sister into prostitution and
you being the pimp. You can make a quick buck or two
now, but it's going to bite your ass eventually (or
perhaps your sister will bite your nuts off).
Basically, the US Defense is nothing more than a leaky
condom for Bush's presidency. Sure you didn't get a
VD this time, but how many ho's are you going to pass
through before you pick up AIDS?
The government needs to spend money, yes. Not ON THE
MILITARY though. Funding worthy projects like
environmental protection, cloning research,
nanotechnology, etc. are where the efforts should be
made. Instead all those situations are being
castrated. Darwinism in reverse.
\_ Linux. Linux is the STANDARD. Way to make soda stop
rebooting. |
| 2001/1/30-31 [Health/Disease/AIDS, Health/Disease/General] UID:20469 Activity:very high |
1/29 For those who are working, do you make any donation to non-profits
agencies on a yearly basis? If so, which agencies?
\_ I put in about $100 last Christmas for Toys for Tots. Although,
now that I think about it there are probably more pressing
issues than some kids getting toys. Always try to claim the
tax benefit to get the most bang per buck (donating securities
will allow you to avoid the capital gains tax so your charity
gets more money).
\_ I never donate. -- L. Ellison.
\_ Red Cross. They accept credit card. I usually donate $200-$300/yr
\_ Planned Parenthood, SF AIDS foundation. Since a friend of mine died
from cancer, I donate in her name to the American Cancer Society
every year. Then, there are friends who ask me to donate $40 here
and there for their women's cancer marathon or what not. --chris
\- I only donate charities who do most of their work in thrid world
countries where people are often in positions to to be able to do
much to help themselves. Particularly hunger, basic infrastructure
like water purification, basic medical treatment and literacy.
I think you get a lot more "bang for the buck" in this arena rather
than sending a dying kid to the world series or to fancy first world
diseases. although bill gates is the spawn of satan, i think often
made smart decisions about what charties he's given to [i suppose it
would be politically impractical for him not do donate to some US
charities]. --psb
\_ Typical psb. Pontificates without answering the question.
\_ do you realize that if I donate more money to India, there
will be MORE Indians flocking to the States who will take
your job for less pay? Just look at Sunnyvale^H^H^H^H^H^H
\-i am not sure what you are complaining about when the indian
govt pays for education that turns into increase in the united
states gdp. --psb
\_ If you don't like your job you don't complain. You just
go in and do it really half-assed. That's the American
way.
\_ Actually it's not but I'm not interested in trying to
dispel cultural myths created by the Japanese in the 80s.
\_ mmmmm...curry
\_ mmmmm...pussy
\_ mmmmm...bop!
\_ mmmmm...die!!!!!!
\_ goddamn, INDENT your posts properly, especially if you're
going to be a dumbass and put them in the middle of other
people's. jebus.
CurryVille. The Indians are driving up the housing and making
traffic worse than NYC.
\_ Well, more "bang for the buck" is a relative measure. Though your
donations may go farther in the Third World, donations that
benefit your own community will have a more tangable impact on
your own life and the lives of your neighboors, which is
important to some people.
\_ Yes: UCB, USCA Alumni Association, SF Women's Health Clinic,
\_ I'm deferring that 10% in my IRA, so that Jesus gets more
when I'm retired.
\_ Actually, the 10% does not include the 16% targetted
for my retirement cause I want to continue the 10%
after my retirement.
The Oaks Foundation, Dance Safe, SF AIDS Foundation,
Campaign for Justice, NAACP, ACLU
\_ why the hell do you want to donate to UCB?
\_ don't you want your degree from UCB to be worth something
in the future? UCB can't survive on state funding alone,
imho.
\_ Yes it can. They just need to purge the crooks on the
Regents board and stop funding their stupid parties.
\_ Well, no, not really. State funding covers 34% of
UC's costs. There's no likelihood that the state
will ever come close to the 70% it once covered.
It's a hell of a lot of money. -tom
\_ Just out of curiosity, what's your source for that
34% number? I know that UCB's public relations folks
(particularly the Cal Annual Fund) have been using
it since at least 1994, and have difficulty
believing that it hasn't varied at all in seven
years.
\_ that's my source. It may have varied but I
guarantee it hasn't risen. -tom
\_ I give about $20 a week to church
\_ 10% goes back to the Lord. $300/yr to United Way.
\_ pre or post tax?
\- the united way has really
high administrative overhead
and in the past has been
fairly corrupt. --psb
\_
My understanding was that it had improved much
under the leadership of Elaine Chao, who is now
our Secretary of Labor. Is there a ranking of
various charity organizations based on their
administrative overhead (as a percentage of
each dollar donated, for example)?
\_ However religious you are, you can't believe that the money is
going to "The Lord". He doesn't need your money. You might
be giving it to a charity (hopefully) or a church (more likely,
sadly) in His name, but you certainly aren't giving it to Him.
\_ Wow, I can't believe how religiously insensitive and/or
ignorant you are. Obviously the money is spent to maintain
the church, the center of faith upon which belief in God
is maintained, as well as further Christian goals (ie
help the poor thru Christ). No there is no physical vessel
that carries money to God.
\_ Yeah, those snipers that kill doctors in their kitchen
in front of their (the doctor's) children need money
for bullets.
\_ Ya know I'm probably about 5x more pro-choice than you
are but I find this sort of comment stupid and
unhelpful. |
| 2000/11/23 [Health/Disease/AIDS, Politics/Domestic/HateGroups] UID:19901 Activity:high |
11/23 A Thanksgiving prayer by WSB:
Thanks for the wild turkey and the passenger pigeons, destined to
be shit out through wholesome American guts.
Thanks for a continent to despoil and poison.
Thanks for Indians to provide a modicum of challenge and danger.
Thanks for vast herds of bison to kill and skin leaving the
carcasses to rot.
Thanks for the American dream, To vulgarize and to falsify until
the bare lies shine through.
Thanks for the KKK.
For nigger-killin' lawmen, feelin' their notches.
For decent church-goin' women, with their mean, pinched, bitter,
evil faces.
Thanks for "Kill a Queer for Christ" stickers.
Thanks for laboratory AIDS.
Thanks for Prohibition and the war against drugs.
Thanks for a country where nobody's allowed to mind the own business.
Thanks for a nation of finks.
Yes, thanks for all the memories-- all right let's see your arms!
You always were a headache and you always were a bore.
Thanks for the last and greatest betrayal of the last and
greatest of human dreams.
\_ Yes there have been and still are a lot of problems in
this country, but there are also a lot of things to be
thankful for. I am thankful to be in America. If you
dislike it so much, you are free to leave, or work
to make it better. Whining about it on Thanksgiving is
just stupid, though. -immigrant
\_ I'm thinking that maybe we have the immigration concept all wrong in
this country.
We should throw open the borders to people like the immigrant above
and _kick out_ those who have no clue how good it is here.
I've been to third world countries (most of Western Europe) and I
swear one of the best days in my life was coming back here and
setting foot on American soil again. Love it, leave it, or change
it, but don't whine about it.
\_ you are missing the point of the poem. Burroughs wrote this
at a time when most americans didn't realize that there were
problems with our "Perfect Society". Note how we're headed into
quite possibly a republican era - where the little guy can be
stomped on - it's really easy to categorize people into "the
lazy" and "the hard working" and to believe in self-righteouness.
\_ Really? Burroughs wrote that AIDS came out of a lab? Also,
you really think the Democrats are out there "fight fight
fighting!" for the little guy? Where can I buy some?
I'm not a blind pro-anything psycho. Please recognise that
politics is about power, not people. Don't ever let some
politico from _any_ party fool you into thinking he gives
a crap about you. They only care about the next election
and pork. And none of this has anything to do with the
poem. I repeat: love it, leave it, change it, but don't
just whine about it. Lucky for you this is a country where
you can say such a thing and not worry about getting shot,
run over by a tank in a public square or hauled off to an
icy Siberian slave labor camp. This isn't a utopia and
whining about it won't make it one. I got the point. |
| 2000/3/9-11 [Health/Disease/AIDS] UID:17724 Activity:high |
3/9 Yet another reason why the madness of globalism must be stopped now
before it's too late:
http://www.vny.com/cf/News/upidetail.cfm?QID=69903
\_ That article has absolutely no evidence of the claim
that peacekeepers are spreading AIDS.
\_ Hmmm.. let's see... soldiers go abroad... they have sex with
the natives... sex is always safe and no one ever gets any sort
of disease from sex... Yup! You're right! The article is
clearly anti-UN FUD!
\_ the fallacy is in the idea that these people wouldn't
have sex otherwise.
\_ Dummyhead. They'd be having sex locally, not with
a huge crop of people from everywhere, carrying new
diseases to new places in bulk. Is it not obvious?
\_ AIDS is AIDS, it exists everywhere.
\_ AIDS started _somewhere_. Less contact over
borders would have spread it slower and the ideal
zero contact would have let it die out in the
jungle. It exists everywhere for a reason. It
didn't magically appear in every population on
the earth over night from alien starships
spreading plague. Think, people, think! You're
in college now! Apply brain!
\_ Okay, you're not completely paranoid but offset by being such a
brushfire alarmist the likes of which are parallelled only in the
violences of anti-holocaust-revisionist-activism because you're
so much better than yourself as if to mock your own flaming ass
as pidgeons fly out of it, catch on fire, and return to the
fertilizer not from which they came because they're alien
infernal shitpidgeons born uniquely in the inadequacy that is
you... fuckin asshole. - (fucker)
\_ Someone is either a) tweaking or b) a translator for
Japanese press releases
\_ get back in the cage already
\_ fucker, you're back! We love you! -(fucker)'s #1 fan
\_ Is (fucker) open source? Where can I find the code and the
source word dictionary for this?
\_ Where is zis fuckaire? I Must have ze source
for fuckaire!(tm) |
| 2000/3/9 [Health/Disease/AIDS] UID:17721 Activity:nil 66%like:18076 |
3/8 If you must troll, at least try to be subtle.
\_ I think gay people should all just kill themselves right now.
I mean, isn't that what AIDS is for? God did cast down this
disease to rid the earth of the devil's children.
\_ I suppose all those people who died from AIDS in blood
transfusions were all devil children too, eh? Get
off of your moral high rocker.
Like I've said before, you may not agree with what
gay people do behind closed doors, but that doesn't not
give anyone else the right to legislate their personal
freedom and way of life. |
| 2000/2/18 [Recreation/Dating, Health/Disease/AIDS] UID:17551 Activity:nil |
2/17 Support Troll Marriage! Trolls have as much right to the protections
and benefits of non-Troll married couples! We are people just like
you (except we can't breed, and we're incapable of any sort of
fidelity, and are the major vector for HIV/AIDS in this country).
Support Troll Marriage! Vote Yes! on Prop 22!
\_ don't you mean no?
\_ Yes, Major Vector! Thank you sir!
\_ ObWebster
2: to enter into a close or intimate union <these wines marry well>
BAN WINO MARRIAGES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
\_ So Webster #2 is the same use as legal marriage? ObBrain. |
| 1999/9/16-17 [Health/Disease/AIDS, Health/Disease/General] UID:16532 Activity:high |
9/16 I'm in the bathroom and I notice that a lot of guys do not wash
their hands after they're done. These people go back to the lab
and use the same keyboards I touch. Should I be afraid? Should I
confront them? -this is not a troll; it is a legimate health concern
\_ I once saw Kevin Fall not washing his hands right before going
to the North Gate lecture hall.
\_ urine is sterile. What health concern are you worried about, twink?
\_ And how did you come to this brilliant conclusion, twink?
\_ Although considered unclean in this country, the above is correct
re: urine. However, they are violating a basic cultural hygene
rule and are also unlikely to be washing their hands when they
defecate which is definitely *not* clean. Also, no telling what
else these barbarians have been touching. Definitely you should
ask them if the sink was broken and suggest that maybe the sink
in another bathroom functions correctly. They'll get the hint.
\_ you should _always_ be afraid of public surfaces such as
keyboards, tables, doorknobs.. not because someone is sloppy in
the bathroom (those are the cooks you should be afraid of) but
because they're wiping their noses, coughing, etc. and you're
loading your immune system w/ who knows what virus or bacteria.
treat your own hands as contaminated after touching these
things. the less you touch your face etc. the less you
contaminate yourself and others. --your mom
\_ Wear gloves.
\_ masturbate
9/16
\_ thats bullshit! cs61b was the worst course i ever took because
of that asshole. someday you'll realize that there are more improtant
things when you get a real job and stop riding bike and using linux.
(fill in the origina post to match the reply.)
\_ That is stupid. I know huge amounts of people that don't
wash after #1, but I know more or less nobody that
doesn't wash after #2, despite the fact that if you've
done it correctly (which isn't exactly rare) you've
touched nothing but your dick or your ass, which have been
just sitting inside your pants cleanly since your morning
shower.
\_ But can you assume someone else's dick is clean after
his morning shower? What about STDs?
\_ Assume keyboard is dirty. Wash before touching food.
Move on with life. |
| 1999/8/5-8 [Health/Disease/AIDS] UID:16261 Activity:high |
8/4 So. I'm going to Europe for a month. What should I do?
\_ ED! ED! ED is the STANDARD! European Vacation.
\_ Red Light District, Amsterdam.
\_ Fool! /bin/cat is the only way to go!
\_ I've travelled a lot there and lived in France for 9mo. Email
me if you have questions. -cathyg
\_ If you're there on the 11th of August, see the Total Solar
Eclipse
\_ Visit John! -John
\_ See stuff and get laid. What else is there?
\_ Slut Road in Pisa. Whores galore.
\_ seriously, amsterdam is a great place to visit.
\_ MUD.
\_ RIDE BIKE.
\_ sit indoors and watch TV. Some countries have porn on regular TV.
\_ I can do that from my desk at work. Why go on vacation to
be at work?
\_ photograph your garden gnome in exotic European locales
\_ Whatever you do, don't rush it. Take your time and enjoy!
\_ "Slut Road" near Pisa, Italy. A must.
\_ This was a great place to get a new strain of AIDS I hadn't yet
acquired. Now I have three different strains and need to know
where to get the newer type D. Any suggestions?
\_ Go on the Jerry Springer show and ask one of those girls out.
\_ Where do you think I got the second strain from? Good
stuff. Still looking for type D.
\_ It's not AIDS but you can try the second floor
of Soda. I think there's some bacteria culture
growing in one of the chairs.
\_ Go to africa and fuck some monkeys. Maybe you'll
even contract a never-before seen strain and become
famous.
\_ My first strain is really SIDS which is the
(S)imian (I)mmune (D)eficiency (S)yndrome.
Even though it's not truly AIDS, I like to
count it as such. |
| 1999/3/30 [Health/Disease/AIDS, Health/Disease/General, Computer/SW/Virus] UID:15661 Activity:nil |
3/29 My parents are getting all paranoid about this new email virus so
they refuse to check their emails now. How does this Melissa virus
work? I figure that if you're not stupid enough to double click on
the Word icon then you're pretty safe. Is that true or does it
execute by itself. |
| 1999/3/9-10 [Health/Disease/AIDS] UID:15567 Activity:high |
3/8 Is there law that says a couple must have blood test before getting
married? Thanks.
\_ didn't ben ask elaine to get a blood test in the graduate?
\_ no. but you're stupid if you don't.
\_ What are tested? Only AIDS and STD's? Or other diseases?
\_ I thought there was one where they checked for stds and some rare
weirdo blood combinations that produced 2-headed babies, or some
similarly horrible things... -John
\_ Testing for STDs is pretty useless before marriage now that
most people who would be at risk are already sleeping
together anyway.
\_ That's a BETTER reason. You can find out "hey you slut you
gave me vd!" and dump the bastard.
Note: Not all STDs are immediately apparent to the victim.
\_ Yes, in some places. Call your county offices to find out if
you live in one of those places.
\_ But not in California.
\_ Beginning January 1, 1995 it was no longer necessary to have a
blood test in California. The test itself was rather arcane at
the time it ended. It test for some things like Gonorrhea, but
not for more serious diseases like AIDS.
\_ Back in 1990, there was an informed consent statute on the books
which required AIDS testing. This was CA state only and was
not renewed in later years. Note that just because you aren't
REQUIRED to get tested doesn't mean it isn't a good idea. |
| 1998/12/15 [Health/Disease/AIDS, Health/Disease/General] UID:15089 Activity:nil |
12/14 harmful bacteria, virus, cancer-- what do these things have in common?
Throughout human history, we have more deaths than ALL the war combined
due combating these things that we can't see. We are 1000X more likely
to die from things that we can't see than things that we can see.
If we can get this simple realisation to the public, this will be a
much better world.
\_ I've realized this for years now. How has this helped me?
\_ A computer program can be seen no more than a bacteria can.
Consider computers in our ultimate downfall.
\_ Would you rather have more people die in wars than from diseases??? |
| 1998/4/17 [Health/Disease/AIDS] UID:13975 Activity:high |
4/17 A Cappella Against AIDS V - a cappella concert. Wheeler Auditorium,
this SATURDAY, April 18, 8pm. $10 general / $5 students/seniors.
http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~choral/aaav.html -- I sing in Press
Any Key. -caos
\_ FAGS BURN! |
| 1998/1/28 [Health/Disease/AIDS] UID:13576 Activity:very high |
1/27 Let's say you get your Cal diploma. Then you kill one of your profs.
Can you get your diploma revoked?
\_ Someone finally offed Prof. Wu?
\_ Whats wrong with Wu? He was one of the most lucent math
profs I had.
\_ He's a raging flaming piece of shit who should never
have been allowed to teach.
\_ Actually, he's great compared to Hsiang.
\_ Had both. Little difference. One weighs more.
\_ Duh. I had both. Otherwise how could I make
the comparison? I actually learned something
from Wu. Hsiang just babbled on about how
greate the ancient Chinese geometers were.
\_ Obviously you're on drugs or you would have
dropped both classes. Your opinion is invalid.
\_ This is a very interesting conversation, but does anyone know the
answer? Thanks.
\_ The answer is "No, not as far as I know, they don't revoke a
diploma for a post-graduation felony unrelated to academic
fraud, however you will end up in prison and learn all about
gang rape and AIDS. You'll have bigger problems than possible
revokation (is that a word?) of your diploma". How's that?
\_ So Ted Kazinsky retains his title at Harvard and Cal?
\_ Probably. Heard anything otherwise? |
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