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2006/4/4 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:42647 Activity:high
4/3     Firefox SessionSaver plugin kicks ass.  Recommend highly! -dans
        \_ Actually, you will find later that it kinda sucks.
           \_ Why?
              \_ (1) It doesn't scale, (2) It's not all that reliable,
                 (3) It/Firefox have a tendency to crash.
                 \_ Don't have 90 myspace tabs open.  I think there's
                    more than 1 build of session saver running around.
                    make sure you have the latest from the extensions
                    mozdev site.  I haven't had it crash on me in
                    a long time, but I also have flashblock installed.
                    It's very convenient.  I hate liking the same
                    things dans does.
                    \_ I'd like to have as many tabs open as I damn well
                       please, thank you.
                    \_ You're upset that you share an appreciation for a
                       useful tool with someone you find personally
                       distasteful?  Words fail to describe how stupid that
                       is. -dans
        \_ Opera's had this feature for years (sans plugin).
           \_ No tabs.  I grabbed the freebie Opera a few months back,
              couldn't find tabs, couldn't find a Firefox style extensions
              system, and uninstalled.
              \_ Um, Opera is designed as MDI.  Pages only exist as tabs.  I'm
                 sorry you weren't able to figure it out.
                 \_ That's nice n all but if it wasn't obvious in the first
                    30 seconds it's a waste of my time.  The software is there
                    to help me get my work done and improve efficiency.  If I
                    have to spend more than 30 seconds to figure it out, it
                    was poorly designed.  I spent several minutes looking
                    around for extensions but I'm sure they're there somewhere
                    and I'm just not smart enough to figure it out.  I'll stick
                    with Firefox, the browser for dummies, thanks.
                    \_ Suit yourself, dummy.
                       \_ Wow, this exchange is really interesting from a
                          psych 101 perspective.
                          \_ How's that?
                       \_ I'm quite suited to the best browser out there,
                          thanks.  A browser shouldn't be obscure or difficult
                          to figure out.  If yermom can't figure it out, it is
                          crap.  The browser does nothing more than load html
                          text from remote sites and display it.  Why does the
                          program require more than the most trivial computer
                          ability to use it?  Opera = crap.  I'd go back to IE
                          first.
        \_ Session Saver caused FF 1.0.x to crash quite often on me; I don't
           know if it's better in more recent versions.  --dbushong
        \_ sessionsaver in moz 1.7.x and seamonkey for me seem to have problems
           autosaving... sometimes I get back a session from a couple days
           ago.
        \_ In response to the poster who complained about
           scalability/stability issues, I have yet to experience stability
           problems on Firefox 1.5.0.1 on OS X, but have only been using it
           for about a week now.  As for scalability, it took a few minutes to
           reopen Firefox after closing it with approx 65 tabs open, but that
           still saves me time over manually bookmarking all tabs for every
           window I have open. -dans
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2006/4/3-4 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers, Computer/SW/OS/Windows] UID:42633 Activity:nil
4/3     This has to be an April Fools:
        http://ajaxwrite.com
        \_ That's a lot of work for April Fools.  Not to meantion, it came out
           a while before April 1st.
           http://www.geek.com/news/geeknews/2006Mar/gee20060327035493.htm
           \_ not to mention that if you try the application it Fucking Works
              \_ Not in my browser.
                 \_ Really?  It even works in my anchient firefox at work, and
                    it never seems to run anything correctly.
                 \_ FF only
        \_ Writely >> AjaxWrite for several reasons including a) cross browser
           support that actually works and b) not yet another company in the
           string of companies that make the http://mp3.com/lindows/etc asshole more
           money but seem to fail miserably in the marketplace. -dans
2006/3/31-4/1 [Recreation/Dating, Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:42574 Activity:nil
3/31    About Internet porn and Britons
        http://csua.org/u/fdw
        \- "no thank you, we're british" -> "pls sir, may i have some more"
2006/3/28 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:42486 Activity:nil
3/28    <DEAD>bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=330884<DEAD>
        Best Firefox bug report evARR!!  Okay, maybe second best, there's also
        the bug that kills babies. -dans
        \_ Okay, now you've piqued my interest: What's the baby-killing bug?
2006/3/25-27 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:42434 Activity:nil
3/24    So I am trying to fill my taxes with Tax Cut online with Firefox/Linux.
        Their web site says that my platform is not supported but I may proceed
        anyways. Should I proceed? Has anyone tried this already?
        \_ No. I say this because I've tried Firefox on many popular sites
           and my experience is that a lot of times web sites just simply
           don't work well, or work at all with Firefox. I'm pretty
           frustrated with this experience as well because I had to explain
           to my grandma why some sites she visits requires opening another
           browser, and had to spend 3-4 hours explaining what the browser
           was. In short, FUCK the people who don't use Firefox as their
           base web development site, and secondly, FUCK FIREFOX.
        \_ I filled out my taxes with TurboTax for the web using Firefox on
           OS X.  Already received my federal and state refunds.  No
           complaints. -dans
2006/3/17-20 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers, Computer/SW] UID:42294 Activity:nil
3/17    Is there any way to upload a file that contains a comma using curl?
        curl uses commas to denote multiple files, so I can't figure out how to
        turn this feature off or change the file separator character...
        \_ Try escaping the comma; use %2C.  -tom
2006/3/10-13 [Computer/Domains, Computer/Networking, Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:42176 Activity:moderate
3/10    Tivo?  Netflix?  Watching Live TV?  Playing Computer Games?
        Using the Computer/Internet?  (Where do you spend more of your time?)
        \_ sport hunting bums in the BART tube
           \_ I took this in the British sense at first given the use of
              'tube'. It was far more clever that way.
        \_ Total time (including work), #1 is using the computer.
           Measuring just free time, #1 is "outside."  -tom
        \_ Including work, mostly in front of a computer. For leisure,
           mostly talking to friends, some reading, some outdoors, little
           TV. --erikred
        \_ #1 computer, #2 tivo, #3 cooking, #4 netflix, #5 hiking  --dbushong
        \_ #1 computer, #2 church, #3 investing/trading, #4 basketball
        \_ #1 slave work for my gf, #2 church, #3 investing/trading #4 computer,
           #5 calling my mom, #6 basketball  --christian socialist
           \_ Why do you put up with #1?  For the sex?
              \_ Of course not.  The Bible clearly says adultery is punishable
                 by stoning.  -!pp
                 \_
           \_ Why do you put up with #2?  For the sex?
           \_ Why do you put up with #5?  For the sex?
           \_ Why do you put up with #6?
        \_ My new daughter, playing computer games, Cal sports. -ausman
        \_ Girlfriend, playing Forgotten Hope online, jogging, playing with
           telescope, going to restaurants, travel.  -John
2006/3/6-8 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:42113 Activity:nil
3/6     I've discovered a cool feature in Firefox!!! Ok so I'm like a year
        behind everyone else but it's still a cool feature. If you want to
        tweak and customize your tab setting, first enable tab features
        by editting your user.js or pref.js file in your Mozilla directory,
        then add the following line:
        user_pref("browser.tabs.showSingleWindowModePrefs", true);
        Restart Firefox, then go to Tools > Options... (Edit > Preferences...
        under Linux and Mac OS X), select Advanced and click on Tabbed
        Browsing. The following options should be visible:
        -Force links that open new windows to open in:
                -the same tab/window as the link
                -a new tab
        Go Firefox!!!
        \_ Don't bother editing prefs.js by hand; use about:config --dbushong
           \_ which parameter to tweak?
              \_ you start typing the one you want to tweak (if you were
                 editing prefs.js you'd need to know this anyway) and it shows
                 you which are available.  If it's not in the list, it doesn't
                 do anything in the version you have.
        \_ 1.5 has the option enabled by default I think so you don't
           need to edit user.js. In fact, it is right under
           Tools->Options->Tabs
           \_ Doesn't that depend on the Tabbrowser Preferences extension?
              \_ No, in fact, I uninstalled the extension. 1.5 has the
                 feature build-in by default.
2006/2/24-27 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:41998 Activity:nil
2/24    What's the best way to transfer your Firefox bookmarks from
        one computer to another (home->work during the day, then
        work->home at night time) over and over again?
        \_ cron+scp/rsync?
        \_ just use http://del.icio.us or something like it, then make a
           Firefox Live Bookmark out of the RSS feed of the tags.  It'll be
           one extra click to go to bookmarks, but if you have a lot at least
           they'll be well organized.  I also have a cron job to back up the
           bookmarks using their XML dump of it so if they go "poof" I haven't
           lost all my bookmarks.  (Though this seems unlikely now that they're
           Yahoo!)  --dbushong
        \_ I keep my bookmarks in subversion and then sync them whenever
           I change them.
        \_ doesn't moz/ff have a "remote profile" settings http/ftp/ldap?
2006/2/15-17 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:41865 Activity:nil
2/15    [The hell with you and your refusal to shorten URLs to fit 80col.]
        \_ It wasn't my URL but I'm curious: why do you care?
           \_ I like following URLs on motd, but I hate pasting them back
              together when they overflow the line.
              \_ Ok I can see that, but how does deleting them help?
                 \_ helps in improving future behaviour.
                    \_ Here on motd, the principle of free speech doesn't hold
                       a candle to convenience.
              \_ On one hand I agree that pasting URLs together when they
                 overflow the line is a PITA.  On the other hand, I dislike
                 that URL shorteners obfuscate the source of URLs.  Hmm... I
                 think that when I have a spare moment I'm going to build a
                 better url shortener which helps solve the obfuscation
                 problem.  PS Sign your posts -dans
                 \_ This has been suggested many times, but leads to <gasp>
                    urls that aren't actually that short.  I like http://csua.org
                    and http://tinyurl.com ones because they're as fast to type as to
                    paste: i just type "u abc" into my browser and I have
                    a little shortcut thingy and voila!
                    \_ Heh.  I had something a little slicker in mind.  It
                       involves ajax cleverness when shortened urls are posted
                       in web fora, and possibly a Mozilla plugin for places
                       like the motd.  Unfortunately, the Mozilla plugin still
                       creates a chicken/egg problem that I need to solve for
                       this to be truly slick. -dans
                 \_ http://lookleap.com might be useful. Resulting URLs
                    look like this: http://lookleap.com/maps.google.com/a5
2006/2/10-13 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:41801 Activity:nil
2/10    Holy crap!  I'm using Opera 9 TP 2.  I hovered over one of my tabs, and
        a mini-preview of the page for that tap popped up.  Neato!
        \_ As far as I could tell Opera doesn't support FF style extensions or
           anything similar.  I'm addicted to extensions now.  Nothing else
           matters.
           \_ http://userjs.org
              \_ Opera UserJS == Firefox Greasemonkey, AFAICT.  That's just
                 one extension.  You can do _way_ more with Extensions than
                 what you can do with just UserJS.
                 \_ For example, see http://codecamp.de/pwdhashforopera
        \_ http://ted.mielczarek.org/code/mozilla/tabpreview
2006/2/10-13 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:41793 Activity:moderate
2/10    "Spyware Barely Touches Firefox"
        http://news.yahoo.com/s/cmp/20060210/tc_cmp/179102616
        "Internet Explorer users can be as much as 21 times more likely to end
        up with a spyware-infected PC than people who go online with Mozilla's
        Firefox browser, academic researchers from Microsoft's backyard said in
        a recently published paper."
        \_ I hate made up statistics like "21x more likely to!!!!".  There are
           many reasons for this such as the generally higher clue level of
           people who know enough to make an active decision to install/use an
           alternative browser (or have someone smart set it up for them) which
           means the machine is better maintained in general and the user is
           less likely to download and run freeporn.exe from spywarez.ru.  Yes,
           IE is a piece of crap, but FF has it's own problems and there are
           many ways for shitware to get on a box.
           \_ yes, but.  working in IT, I've never had a problem with spyware
              on machines running firefox as the main browser.  with IE
              sometimes you don't have to click the misleading message to
              accidentally hose your system... sometimes you just need to go
              to the wrong site in your daily google searching.  no matter
              what problems FF has, it doesn't change the fact that IE is a
              total piece of crap.
              \_ Absolutely true.  But as I said above, the browser isn't the
                 only way and clue level is just as important, if not more so.
                 The loud mouthed sales moron always had porn popups but the
                 equally clueless marketing chick didn't because she didn't
                 run freeporn.exe every morning.  User behavior.
                 \_ it's the same users going to the same sites.  It's just
                    that with FF I haven't had to spend as much time fixing
                    hosed computers.  -pp
           \_ Did you actually read the article?  The study was not a survey of
              infection rates from internet ussers out there who install or
              don't install browsers themselves.  The IE and Fx test machines
              were set up by the same two professors and their two grad
              students.
              \_ A survey of infection rates would be more useful than 2 bored
                 grad students surfing the net.  At least then we could pretend
                 it was an "all else being equal" and "we used a large enough
                 sample size to..." argument.
                 \_ They didn't surf the net themselves.  They used web
                    crawlers to do the surfing.  (So they didn't get to enjoy
                    the porn while doing official work.)
                 \_ The result is pretty clear; if you go to the same set of
                    randomly-selected sites with unpatched IE and unpatched
                    Firefox, you're much more likely to get spyware on the
                    IE machine.  If you want to do a different study, do it.
                      -tom
                    \_ "with unpatch IE and unpatched Firefox".  What a
                       useless study.  How about a study of what happens to
                       unpatched Linux machines on the net?  Equally useless.
                       \_ A lot less happens to unpatched Linux machines than
                          unpatched Windows machines; that's the point.
                          (Typically an unpatched Windows machine will be
                          broken into within minutes of being connected to
                          the net, if it's not behind a firewall.  -tom
                          \_ And it will take about 10 minutes more for the
                             Linux box.  There's no point.  Anyone who runs
                             an unpatched anything will very quickly get hit
                             with something nasty and if by some miracle they
                             don't, they'll run freeporndialer.exe.  It does
                             not matter in the least if it takes 5 minutes or
                             15 minutes for your box to get owned if you're
                             unpatched.  A study that might have been useful
                             would have been patched boxes, but I suspect when
                             they tried that first, very little happened.  I'm
                             highly suspicious of this 'study' of unpatched
                             boxes.
                             \_ All MS apologists are suspicious of studies
                                which show that Windows is a security risk.
                                Anyone who actually has to manage different
                                platforms already knows it.  -tom
                                \_ Yep, when you're against the wall and have
                                   nothing left to support your argument,
                                   resort to personal attack and smear.  Good
                                   call.
                                   \_ You have provided absolutely nothing to
                                      support your argument.  -tom
                                      \_ The sky is still blue, academic
                                         tests of unpatched boxes is still
                                         stupid and you resort to personal
                                         attack when cornered.  I'm glad the
                                         world remains predictable.  BTW, how
                                         does it feel to always be right?  I
                                         always wondered what it was like to
                                         be perfect.  Please tell us.
                                         \_ sounds like you're the one
                                            resorting to personal attack. -tom
                                            \_ Tell us about perfection and
                                               always being right, tom.
                                               \_ Step back, man.  AFAICT, tom
                                                  has been pretty technical and
                                                  succinct in expressing his
                                                  opinions.  Perhaps you should
                                                  reread the thread again, man.
                                                  reread the thread again.
                                                  Could you elucidate to a
                                                  clueless like me what exactly
                                                  it was that was said that
                                                  that upset you so much? -mice
                                                  it was that was said which
                                                  upset you so much? -mice
                                                  was said which upset you
                                                  so much? -mice
                                                  opinions. Could you elucidate
                                                  to a clueless like me what
                                                  was said which upset you so
                                                  much?               -mice
2006/2/2-4 [Computer/SW/Languages/JavaScript, Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:41669 Activity:kinda low
2/2     Is it just my imagination, or it seems like web sites these days
        are taking longer and longer to load? I used to be able to load
        http://weather.com in less than 1 second, now it takes 5-6 seconds.
        Ditto with http://cnn.com or other common sites.
        \_ Ditto with Yahoo Maps.
        \_ one word: flash
           \_ related, the flashblock extension for FF/Mozilla is wonderful
              \_ yeah, it's great, but i wish there were a way to say
                 "load all movies on this page" or quickly "add this site to
                 allow list"
              \_ Actually, it doesn't keep flash from downloading; you'll note
                 sometimes you see the flash for a brief moment before the
                 (i assume) flashblock onload takes over and replaces it with
                 the blank play thing.  It just keeps you from seeing it.
        \_ Sites these days expect a larger chunk of users to have broadband.
           \_ Sigh.  I switched to DSL in order to load simple pages faster,
              not to deal with pages becoming complicated.
        \_ All that javascript and the style sheets that make the weeb purty
           take a long time to d/l.
           \_ good stylesheets should make the pages load faster.  Probably
              does have something to do with the common use of rollovers and
              the fact that most sites don't have much time spent on
              optimization/valid html.
2006/2/1-3 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:41645 Activity:low
2/1     Cool, I hated the ClearType-looking fonts of IE7 beta 2 that you can't
        seem to turn off, but it looks like a related feature is that page
        zooms are much more natural.  Now theoretically my mom can read those
        tiny Chinese characters a little better.
        \_ clear type or anti-alias font is not very good for small fonts.
        \_ So what's cool about IE7 vs. FF?
        \_ Why do you care about IE7?
           \_ "page zooms are much more natural" (good)
              "ClearType-looking fonts [can't turn off]" (bad)
              I'm also interested in any good things in IE7 being copied in FF
              besides the first being good for mymom, I'm interested in any
              good things in IE7 being copied in FF
              \_ Perhaps I was unclear.  I use Firefox and Opera instead of IE.
                 Why would you expose yourself to all the IE problems by using
                 it?
                 \_ It's for mymom.  She reads a lot of Chinese web sites.
                    Firefox is poor at rendering zoomed in Chinese web sites.
                    I also had her on Firefox initially but it had problems
                    with IE-limited web pages (don't ask me, they just had
                    problems with FF), so she's using that anyway.
                    \_ Have you tried Opera?  It's got the best zooming IMO.
                       \_ not for a year or so, but I'll try it.  it's
                          really the Chinese character rendering.
                          really the Chinese character rendering while not
                          screwing up the page layout.
                    \_ I am sorry, but that is not the issue.  I read Chinese
                       site everyday, and I found that setting minimum font
                       size does most of the trick.. and I set minimum font
                       size to 18 due to my poor eye sight.
                       \_ Mymom uses a 17" LCD (she won't accept a bigger one
                          because the 17" one was a joint gift from the
                          children).  Anyway, I set the minimum font size
                          to 32 and compared FF to IE7, and IE7 wins IMO ...
                          that means I'm probably gonna install that for her.
        \_ What is "page zoom"?
           \_ Font size smaller / bigger, but in IE7, I think it uses
              vector scaling or something like that, AND it also zooms
              the images appropriately, which is something I forgot to
              mention.
           \_ Magnifying the whole page, including images and fonts, by an
              arbitrary percentage and it all "just works".  Before this
              feature was introduced, I think you could only do font size
              bigger/smaller for IE and FF, though it sounds like Opera zooming
              is good.  Yeah, just googled, Opera has it, but not FF (yet):
              http://ask.metafilter.com/mefi/23555
              Okay, googling further there's an FF extension in beta:
              http://www.memb.jp/~deq/mozilla/pagezoom
              \_ The browser on <DEAD>MyTurn.com<DEAD>'s Global PC had this feature six
                 years ago.  (Yeah the company went under.)
        \_ Okay, I found out where to turn off the ClearType.  It's yet
           another option in Tools -> Options -> Advanced. -op
        \_ I would urge you move your mom to Firefox for security reason.
           IE and its ActiveX plugins is too insecure for average-joe to
           use it.
2006/1/31-2/2 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers, Computer/SW/OS/Windows] UID:41626 Activity:nil
1/31    IE7 Beta 2 is now available:
        http://www.microsoft.com/windows/IE/ie7/ie7betaredirect.mspx
        \_ w00t w00t - jvarga
           \_ they stole that tabbed browsing stuff from AOL's web browser
2006/1/31-2/2 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:41615 Activity:nil
1/31    Anyone else have problem with Firefox hogging up the machine when it
        wakes up from stand-by mode? I can reproduce this problem consistently.
        \_ STF Motd. Lazy fucks these days:
           http://csua.com/?entry=41212
        \_ Which version? Which OS?
        \_ No, but I have problem with Fx eating up >100MB virtual memory even
           after I close all the windows and tabs except one for http://www.yahoo.com
           Version 1.5, running on XP.
           \_ Confirmed... I've seen this a couple times. I've also had the FF
              process freeze in the background.
        \_ Wake-up or not, some sites will cause it to hog CPU.  I suspect
           Flash or badly-written JavaScript.
           \_ Are you running Gmail all day?
              \_ Yes, but that's not the problem. -pp, !op
        \_ Yes I have the problem. Just learn to exit firefox before you go
           to standby.
2006/1/12-17 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers, Computer/SW] UID:41364 Activity:nil
1/12    What's a good source on the web for background checks including
        criminal, credit, general info, etc?
        \_ http://intelius.net
2005/12/15-19 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:41036 Activity:nil
12/15   Has anyone tried the Google Safe Browsing Firefox extension?
        Does it work well?
        http://www.google.com/tools/firefox/safebrowsing
        \_ Does it serve the same purpose as other programs like, say, AdWatch?
        \_ Are you astroturfing?
        \_ I don't know how well it works, but how the heck does it install
           itself without Firefox warning that http://google.com isn't in its
           list of trusted domains?
2005/12/15-16 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers, Uncategorized/Profanity] UID:41027 Activity:moderate
12/14   Panexa is the right choice, the safe choice. The only choice.
        http://www.panexa.com  -John
        \_ http://blog.stayfreemagazine.org/2005/11/cafepress_copyr.html
           \_ Fuck Cafepress.  I've been censored there with no warning
              or explanation also, and I would not give them my business
              again even for something that would clearly not be censored.
              Fuck them straight in the ear.
              \_ Get a life.  -tom
                 \_ Get a life. -motd
                    \_ Get a life.
                       \_ Get a life.
                          \_ Get a life.
                             \_ Get a life.
                                \_ Get a life.
                                   \_ Get a life.
                                      \_ Get a life.
                                         \_ Get a life.
                                            \_ Get a life.
                                               \_ Get a life.
                                                  \_ Get a life.
                                                     \_ Get a life.
                                                        \_ Get a life.
                                                           \_ Get a life.
                                                              \_ Get a life.
                                                                 \_ DAMN!
                                                        Get a life. _/
                                                     Get a life. _/
2005/12/13-15 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:41002 Activity:nil
12/13   Oedipus Lives!
        http://entertainment.tv.yahoo.com/news/wwn/20051209/113414040002.html
        \_ Uh huh.  Weekly World News.
2005/12/11-14 [Computer/SW/Editors/Emacs, Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:40964 Activity:kinda low
12/11   Since the SSH change, I've been getting the following error
        message in Outlook Express:  "The certificate's CN name does not
        match the passed value".  How can I get rid of this message?  I'm
        guessing it has to do with the certificate I'm using.  I got it from:
        <DEAD>soda.csua.berkeley.edu:995<DEAD>  It's called "localhost".  Do I
        need to use a new POP server?  Right now I'm using
        http://soda.csua.berkeley.edu port 995.  Or get a certificate from elsewhere?
        \_ ever since the new soda, emacs has been acting up on me.
           Anyone have a good default .emacs that allows me to do standard
           text editing, like editing motd?  Tab doesn't even work anymore;
           it's checking for programming(lisp?) statements, I think, and
           overriding all standard editing.
           \- i find the new emacs a little strange too. the issue isnt so
              much as a "good emacs" but solving specific problems.
           \_ Looks like an issue with the name of the temp file assigned
              by /csua/bin/me:   my $motdcurrent = "/tmp/motd.public.c.$>.$$";
           \_ That's strange.  Ever since the new soda, my emacs works better
              than before even though it's the same emacs version.  Now the
              prompt in my shell buffer is displayed in color, and my commands
              in bold.  When I do Ctrl-S to search, all the nearby matches are
              highlighted.  global-font-lock-mode now does color highlighting.
              BTW my .emacs file hasn't changed for 12 years.  If anyone can
              shed light on what's behind these improvements, that'll be great.
              --- yuen
              \_ New soda is now running emacs 21, that's why.
                 \_ I thought it was also 21 before the upgrade.  No?
              \_ A fixed termcap maybe?
        \_ The self-signed SSL certs are now fixed. Thanks. You might want
           to look into using Mozilla Thunderbird instead of Outlook Express.
           \_ Thanks, the error is gone! -op
              \- i have noticed some interoperability issues between
                 older SSL programs and recent SSL applications.
                 doing a little digging, it looks like there are
                 some different padding strategies.
        \_ I've fixed the self-signed SSL certs, but that might not fix the
           message in Outlook Express. Try Mozilla Thunderbird. -brett
        \_ The self-signed SSL certs have been fixed. Try Mozilla Thunderbird.
        \_ telnetd is broken, can we get telnet turned back on?  thanks!
2005/12/7-9 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:40913 Activity:kinda low
12/7    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10367598
        FYI, if you click the MSNBC TV Video (Internet Explorer only), the
        witness says the crazy dude never said anything.  Yes on the crazy,
        but you just have to take the air marshal people's word on the bomb
        threat and the reaching into the bag.
        \_ Remember that Brazilian dude they shot in London who they claimed
           had been running and jumped over the turnstyles and everything?
           It was a bunch of crap. He was just sitting there when they
           shot him. Cops will say anything to cover for other cops.
        \_ The discrepancy between the official account and witness accounts
           on the bomb threat is now leading on http://CNN.com.  Incidentally, I was
           the evil person who first wrote about this discrepancy on Wikipedia
           last night, and also wrote an e-mail then to the WP and NYT.
           Well, now the lead is "White House backs air marshals", and the
           witness accounts are only shown when you click through ... but
           witness discrepancies are only shown when you click through ... but
           I don't want to get into that.-op
2005/11/30-12/3 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:40782 Activity:nil
11/30   Firefox 1.5 is out.
        \_ And is the same binary as RC3, so you don't need to update it if
           you've got the latest RC.
        \_ faster, stable, better - nice
           \_ Does it use more memory or less compared to 1.0.7?  My machine
              doesn't have a lot of RAM and I need to run other big apps.
              \_ I think it uses a bit more based on my unscientific
                 comparison. (a couple thousand k more)
        \_ Just curious: how many sodans use Opera these days?  I just
           installed the latest version and it has some pretty interesting
           features.  Not all websites render nicely, however, compared to
           firefox and IE (but that's pretty common when websites don't
           test with browser X).
2005/11/4-6 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers, Computer/SW/SpamAssassin] UID:40442 Activity:nil
11/4    I just received a piece of spam that's the most threatening I've seen
        so far:
        "<my-email-addr> is a nonprofit/charity contact email address right?
        if so...
        WE WILL EMAIL YOUR WEB SITE TO 2,500,00 0PT-IN EMAILS FOR [Free]
        http://www.broadcastemailservices.org
        ......"
        \_ they represent a threat to the CSUA.  squish them.
2005/11/2-4 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:40409 Activity:low
11/2    Firefox 1.5rc1 is out:
        http://www.mozilla.org/projects/firefox
        \_ Does it use less memory than 1.0.x?
           \_ Leakiness seems a bit better, but that's fairly subjective.  Page
              rendering times and forward/back are buttloads faster.  --dbushong
              \_ How about comparing to IE-whatever-the-latest-version?
                 \_ It's _almost_ as fast as IE on really simple pages, and
                    faster on really complex ones.  YMMV.  --dbushong
              \_ Sigh.  I launched 1.0.7 and browsed many pages in separate
                 tabs and windows.  Now I have closed all other tabs and
                 windows except one that's displaying the http://www.yahoo.com page,
                 but Task Manager shows that the VM Size is still at 125MB.
        \_ I assume you don't use any of the extensions, no?  I would *LOVE*
           to jump to the newest version, but the general availablity of
           extension is not there yet... and i am addicted to some of the
           extensions.
           \_ I only use AdBlock and Tabbrowser Extensions. AdBlock didn't
              require any changes, and the tabbing plugin has a 1.5 version. -gm
2005/10/24-25 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers, Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:40238 Activity:moderate
10/23   Guys, I would like to fetch the 'opensolaris' logo from the website
        http://www.opensolaris.org
        What tools can I use to do that?  I am on WiFi.  And I want to fetch
        the logo just because they are making it hard to do so.
        \_ Uh, Firefox?  Any other web browser?  wget?  Why does it matter
           that you're using WiFi?
           \_ Have you looked at the html source?  i wouldn't considered this
              as a "class A" dumb question... and etheral doesn't work with
              wifi...
              \_ so use tcpdump - this doesn't even require that much fu (see
                 below).
              \_ Uh, are we talking about the same Ethereal?  You might want
                 to specify that Ethereal (or any sniffers) on Windows don't
                 work with wifi, due to ndis.  Ethereal on a Real OS works
                 just fine with wireless cards.  Or you could just use
                 Auditor/Kismet/Wellenreiter.  -John
        \_ Which one?  http://www.opensolaris.org/images/header.png ,
           http://www.opensolaris.org/os/open-final3.png or
           http://www.opensolaris.org/os/about/buttons/get_os_ribbon_03.gif ?
           Your magic fu is weak.  -John
           \_ header.png  and may I ask how did you do that?  When I use
              firefox + "view rendered source" extension, all I can see
              is an empty <div> that marked as "header"  I can fetch all the
              graphics, but the header.png was particularly difficult, and
              please shed some light.  Thanks
              \_ Try right-clicking on the image, or just drag it to the
                 desktop.  -tom
                 \_ Doesn't work.  It's loaded by a stylesheet.  Look at
                    source, you'll see /css/screen.css.  Load that, and you'll
                    see all the other css it loads, then just go through those
                    and look for pngs/jpgs/gifs.  -John
                    \_ Try a Mac.  (Worked for me in Firefox).  -tom
                       \_ This is on a Mac, with both Firefox 1.0.7 and Safari.
                          Dragging it to desktop just saves a link.  He means
                          the orange/blue "opensolaris" logo at the top left
                          of the page, not the multilanguage one.  -John
        \_ Here's what I did to get header.png (in Firefox on mac w/ no
           extensions)
           1. Get page source for http://www.opensolaris.org
           2. This says that the style sheet is /css/screen.css and
              that you are looking for MastheadLogo
           3. Get the page http://www.opensolaris.org/css/screen.css
           4. This gives you a list of several style sheets to choose
              from: layout.css, presentation.css, &c. As it turns out
              MastheadLogo is in presentaion.css, which you should be
              able to figure out by fetching each one in turn.
           5. Get the page http://www.opensolaris.org/css/presentation.css
           6. Look for MastheadLogo, which tells you that the image is
              located at ../images/header.png
           7. Get the img from
              http://www.opensolaris.org/css/../images/header.png OR
              http://www.opensolaris.org/images/header.png
           I agree w/ John, your FU is VERY WEAK.
           \_ LOL at you. You got pwned by the poster below.
              \_ Page Info hangs (comes up w/ empty window) for
                 me on Mac (1.5b2).
                 \_ come on now, don't be a poor sport.
                    \_ It works fine in 1.0.7 though. Does safari
                       have the same feature (other than via view
                       activity)?
        \_ Pshaw. You guys are all weak sauce. Tools | Page Info | Media
           in firefox.
           \_ Bingo. --Guy who thought this was a dumb question.
2005/10/7-9 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:40020 Activity:nil
10/7    Firefox 1.5 Beta 2 is out:
        http://www.mozilla.org/projects/firefox
        \_ For reference, 1.5B1 was the biggest improvement in Mozillae
        \_ For reference, 1.5B1 is the biggest improvement in Mozillae
           rendering speed I've seen since 0.8.
2005/9/26-28 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:39881 Activity:nil
9/26    http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-3513_7-6333507-1.html
        Closer look at the recent studies comparing IE and Firefox security.
        Summary:  For the selected time period (Jan-Jun '05), Firefox had
        more critical vulnerabilities reported than IE -- but many more of the
        IE vulnerabilities remain unpatched.  Also, expanding the timeframe
        to start Aug '04 (when Firefox 1.0 came out), IE had more than double
        the Firefox flaws, and again IE has many more vulnerabilities without a
        patch (amazing what expanding the range by 5 months can do).
        Conclusion:  Use Firefox 1.0.7 or whatever the newest one is.
        \_ firefox sucks
           \_ Wow.  So useful.
           \_ with such a comment, you are required to supply a non-sucky
              alternative
             \_ ok.. what about an "I've been Trolled" T-shirt?
2005/9/22-23 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:39828 Activity:nil 60%like:36841 80%like:39804
9/21    FireFox 1.0.7 is out (several security fixes):
        http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/releases/1.0.7.html
2005/9/21-22 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:39804 Activity:nil 80%like:39828
9/21    Mozilla 1.0.7 is out (several security fixes):
        http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/releases/1.0.7.html
        \_ It's Firefox 1.0.7.
2005/9/16-17 [Computer/SW/OS/Windows, Computer/Networking, Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:39715 Activity:nil
9/16    How "dangerous" is it to be connecting to the internet via an
        "unsecured" network?
        \_ depends how secure your computer is.
           \- i think if you can turn your computer into an "edge" node
              meaning it runs basically no inbound listeners and you
              juse use ssh and a browser outbound, probably can be reaonably
              secure except for mobile code. of course you can get mobile
              code problem even if not connected to the net. you can checksum
              your OS on top of that.
        \_ if its windows box, you can expect it to be pwnz0red in minutes.
            Been there, done that,  reinstalled it...
            \_ If it's a properly patched Winbox with a decent personal
               firewall, no open bluetooth/wifi, and some basic stack
               hardening/permissions set, I wouldn't worry.  If you're taking
               a laptop to blackhat or some other place full of k1dd13z
               without backups, that's different.  -John
2005/9/12-14 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:39637 Activity:low
9/12    Can someone please post that one liner to run Firefox with low priority
        again?  I promise to write it down so the Sodalites can continue to wax
        poeticon politics and wipe out other posts.
        \_ http://csua.com
        \_ http://csua.com/?entry=39627
        \_ Poeticons!
           \_ Yes, it's "poetic on".  But whatever.  Thanks kchang.  The CPU
              still hovers between 08 - 15; is that high or low?  The memory
              usage is about 29MB, probably b/c of all these plugins I've
              loaded.  How much does FF consume on your machine?
              \_ Umm... reducing the priority of a process will NOT reduce
                 the amount of resources it requires.  It simply lowers
                 it's ability to aquire those resources from other
                 programs.
              \_ I think Poeticons makes for an awesome band name. Carry on.
        \_ On a related note: I don't have the problem with Fx eating up CPU
           cycles, but Fx eats up a lot of memory on my XP.  After browsing 10
           or 20 sites or so, the "VM Size" usually reaches 100MB.  I open a
           new window to browse every new site, and close the window
           afterwards.  Isn't Fx supposed to be leaner than IE and Netscape?
           \_ Actually, that's the exact same problem I have.  I usually open
              10 or 20 sites too, leave it open for a long time, and FF's
              memory consumption goes 200MB+.  I close the tabs eventually, but
              the memory doesn't seem to go down much to a bit under 100MB.
              Still, it crashes less than IE.  -op
           \_ Slowly but maturely, Firefox is becoming more and more like
              Netscape 4, the zenith of Netscape Corporation's incompetence.
2005/9/11 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:39627 Activity:nil
9/10    I hate Firefox. A lot of times it just spins and hogs up the CPU
        and your computer gets hosed. Same with acroread. Here is my
        solution. I create a batch file that launches Firefox with a
        lower priority so you can more easily kill it. My batch file
        looks like this:
        start "" /D"C:\Program Files\mozilla Firefox" /BELOWNORMAL \
           "C:\Program Files\mozilla firefox\firefox.exe" -nosplash
        It's one line by the way. The best thing is that acroread also
        gets a lower priority too. Yay.
2005/9/9 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers, Computer/SW/Security] UID:39585 Activity:kinda low
9/9     Dear Park B1 (Firefox 1.5) is out:
           \_ "Deer" Park you moron.
                http://www.mozilla.org/projects/firefox
        OpenSSH 4.2 is out as well:
                http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=secure-shell&m=112558710925132&w=2
                Portable: http://www.openssh.org/portable.html
                OpenBSD: http://www.openssh.org/openbsd.html
        \_ fyi, that B1 means Beta 1 (didn't know myself)
2005/9/8-10 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:39577 Activity:nil
9/8     has anyone ever gotten freebsd to work with
        firefox and http://www.comedycentral.com ? - danh
        \_ I tried for a while.  Haven't tried recently. --scotsman
        \_ nevermind i figured it out,  i installed firefox
        and the mplayer-plugin port, works great. - danh
           \_ you just violated Intellectual Property's law, my friend.
              welcome to the world of DMCA and American domination.
2005/9/2-3 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:39456 Activity:nil
9/2     Chinese researcher warns of nude Web chats.  http://csua.org/u/d8i
        \_ Nude motd editing still ok? I hope so!
           \_ That depends, are you making provacative poses?
2005/8/30-31 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:39352 Activity:nil
8/30    http://video.google.com
        \_ I have to install a special viewer?
           \_ And it doesn't work w/ Mozilla, just Firefox & IE.
              \_ It _is_ a beta...
        \_ I searched for "Pamela Anderson" and "Paris Hilton".  Nothing
           interesting.
           \_ Where can I get the Pamela Anderson videos?
2005/8/23-24 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:39231 Activity:nil
8/23    I need to setup a kiosk with a mouse and a browser. How do I make
        Firefox/Mozilla/whatever display the entire screen, and disable
        Windows format, reboot, installation, going off to improper
        porn sites, etc for the kiosk? Thanks.
        \_ STFW. There are people who have done this before. There is even
           a firefox package or something specifically for kiosks.
2005/8/8-11 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:39040 Activity:nil
8/8     Mozilla Foundation Announces Creation of Mozilla Corporation
        http://www.mozillazine.org/talkback.html?article=7085
2005/7/29-31 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:38878 Activity:nil
7/29    wtf is up with FF? I've given the new version a couple of weeks and
        it seems as jumpy and prone to crash as IE now.
        \_ Wow.  Glad that I still haven't upgraded from 1.0.4.
        \_ I've upgraded as each new version has come out since around .9.
           I haven't noticed any difference in stability for good or bad since
           1.0.0 came out on any of several machines.
           \_ ditto.
        \_ Are you using 1.0.5, cause there is a 1.0.6 now.
        \_ works fine for me. maybe another relevant question is wtf is up
           with your machine?
        \_ As someone else pointed out to me on motd several months ago,
           the reason for my FF 1.0.x crashes was an extension was buggy.
           FF itself runs fine.  (The buggy extension in question was an
           older version of flashblock that crashed the newer version of FF.)
           \_ And there it is. Thanks. I just unloaded all the extensions and
              FF now runs the way it used to.
        \_ I've heard the latest full Mozilla has lots of problems, too.
        \_ It doesn't crash for me, but it seems a bit slower. -ausman
2005/7/21-23 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:38762 Activity:nil
7/21    http://www.apple.com/trailers
        Does anyone knows how to download these trailers to my home computer?
        \_ 1) mozilla/firefox with mplayer plugin
           2) get the html for the page, read the EMBED directives
           \_ Also, if the URL for the large trailer is:  moviexyz_480.mov, the
              real download is typically moviexyz_m480.mov
           \_ Easier than that is to do Page Info (Ctrl-I usually) in Moz/FF,
              then click on the Media tab.  It'll show up under type Embed.
              There's even a "Save As" button, but I've never gotten it to
              work.  --dbushong
        \_ use curl/wget to d/l the mov file. Then use hexdump/less to
           look in the file for the actual urls. Then use curl to d/l
           the real file.
2005/7/20 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:38735 Activity:nil 80%like:38718
6/19    Firefox 1.0.6 is out:
\_ Why do people not know that July=7
        http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/releases/1.0.6.html
        \_ Yay, Firefox is turning out to be just as broken and bug-ridden
           as IE! Woo!
           \_ Err.. that seems like a bit of an overstatement.
              \_ Is it?  Six major patches in as many months, correct?
                 \_ IE still runs ActiveX.
                 \_ Have you done any significant programming?
                    You ought to know how damn hard it is to get all
                    the bugs (esp. security) out. The FF team is doing
                    a very good job considering that for many of them
                    it is not a paying job.
                    \_ I think the PP was referring to the fact that so many
                       security holes existed in the first place (rather than
                       how fast/slow they were fixed), which means Fx was not
                       more secure than IE after all.  (I understand that 1.0.6
                       is not about security fixes.)
                 \_ 1.0.x vs 1.0.y is a "major patch"?  I don't think so.
        \_ When upgrading Firefox for your Windoze clients, do you
           just install over the old Firefox; or do you uninstall Firefox
           first, then manually delete the leftover C:\Program Files\Mozilla
           Firefox directory like the official download site recommends?
           \_ What I do for every upgrade is: exit Fx and all other apps, start
              Fx, Tools -> Options -> Privacy -> Clear All, exit Fx, uninstall
              Fx from Control Panel, reboot, delete "C:\Program Files\Mozilla
              Firefox", install new Fx.  Actually, now that I've learned about
              the profile folder, I'll also delete that from now on.
           \_ Related question: How do I uninstall all the extensions and
              themes when I uninstall Firefox?
2005/7/20 [Science/Space, Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:38733 Activity:nil
7/20    Own your own death star sub-woofer:
        http://tinyurl.com/c3pos (ebay.co.uk)
        \_ Your URI is broken.  Try http://csua.org/u/cs7
           \_ seems to work for me. anyway full url is:
                  \_ It failed for me in Opera 8, Firefox 1.0.6, and even IE 6.
   http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5789263206&fromMakeTrack=true
2005/7/19-22 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:38718 Activity:low 80%like:38735
6/19    Firefox 1.0.6 is out:
        http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/releases/1.0.6.html
        \_ Yay, Firefox is turning out to be just as broken and bug-ridden
           as IE! Woo!
           \_ Err.. that seems like a bit of an overstatement.
              \_ Is it?  Six major patches in as many months, correct?
                 \_ IE still runs ActiveX.
                 \_ Have you done any significant programming?
                    You ought to know how damn hard it is to get all
                    the bugs (esp. security) out. The FF team is doing
                    a very good job considering that for many of them
                    it is not a paying job.
                    \_ I think the PP was referring to the fact that so many
                       security holes existed in the first place (rather than
                       how fast/slow they were fixed), which means Fx was not
                       more secure than IE after all.  (I understand that 1.0.6
                       is not about security fixes.)
                 \_ 1.0.x vs 1.0.y is a "major patch"?  I don't think so.
        \_ Hi guys, when upgrading Firefox for your Windoze clients, do you
           just install over the old Firefox, or do you manually uninstall
           it and manually delete the leftover C:\Program Files\Mozilla Firefox
           directory like the official download site recommends?
           \_ I don't know about broken and bug-ridden, but IE's update
              process is much easier than Firefox's.  I hate updating my
              notebook, my desktop, my girlfriend's notebook/desktop, my
              mom's desktop, etc., etc. ... ob yermom joke
        \_ When upgrading Firefox for your Windoze clients, do you
           just install over the old Firefox; or do you uninstall Firefox
           first, then manually delete the leftover C:\Program Files\Mozilla
           Firefox directory like the official download site recommends?
           \_ What I do for every upgrade is: exit Fx and all other apps, start
              Fx, Tools -> Options -> Privacy -> Clear All, exit Fx, uninstall
              Fx from Control Panel, reboot, delete "C:\Program Files\Mozilla
              Firefox", install new Fx.
              Firefox", install new Fx.  Actually, now that I've learned about
              the profile folder, I'll also delete that from now on.
           \_ Related question: How do I uninstall all the extensions and
              themes when I uninstall Firefox?
              \_ Probably Tools -> Extensions -> Uninstall, before you
                 uninstall Firefox.  I don't know, I always though not
                 uninstalling them was a feature.  I do have to re-install
                 Macromedia Flash every time though.
2005/7/12-14 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:38573 Activity:nil
7/12    Firefox 1.0.5 is out:
        http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/releases/1.0.5.html
        So is OS X 10.4.2:
        Delta (10.4.1 to 10.4.2):
        http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/macosxupdate1042.html
        Combo (10.4.[0-1] to 10.4.2):
        http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/macosxupdate1042combo.html
2005/7/11-12 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:38513 Activity:nil
7/10    Taliban Halloween: http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view.php?id=36157
        \_ Crashed my browser.
           \_ Use Firefox!
              \_ I do. It crashed Firefox three times, the third time giving
                 some crazy error that destroyed all my browser-related
                 data.
           \_ Use Internet Explorer!
2005/7/6-8 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:38443 Activity:nil
7/6     Anybody know of an easy way to resize images using mozilla
        thunderbird during the process of attaching the imagess to an email?
        \_ in WinXP, go to the folder and select the images that you want
           to attach. Then right click on them and say "send to email
           recipient."
           \_ And this will resize automagically?
              \_ oh yes, it's magically delicious.
              \_ It gives you the option to do that.
2005/6/28-29 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers, Computer/SW/Languages/Misc, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:38333 Activity:nil
6/29    Hey danh!  Can you stop posting http://csau.org links to gorey images as
        responses to threads?  Isn't one of the motd rules not being a jerk?
        \_ Dan's not here, man.
        \_ 1) Dan hasn't logged on since last night
           2) clicking a danh link is done at your own peril
                \_ I don't post random links to the motd without
                   some description, and I use tinyurl, not http://csua.org,
                   since I have a tinyurl firefox extension. - danh
                   \_ It was probably psb.  That's the kind of thing he
                      thinks is clever.  -tom
           \_ Um, so those procs running as 'danh' aren't his?
              \_ He just logged in. pbbbt.
                   \- Fear of a Danhimal Planet
2005/6/19-20 [Computer/SW/Languages/C_Cplusplus, Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:38198 Activity:moderate 76%like:38189
6/19    Programming Jobs Losing Luster in U.S.
        http://tinyurl.com/737b8 (nytimes.com)
        \_ Oh darn.  You mean those opportunistic little shits who clogged up
           all of my project groups in CS classes aren't around anymore?  Cry
           me a fucking river.
        \_ is there a CSUA password?
           \_ No, some dumbass disabled it.  Just use http://bugmenot.com.
                \_ Just checked out http://bugmenot.com. what a great site!
                   \_ If you are using firefox there is a nice bugmenot
                      plugin:
                      http://roachfiend.com/archives/2005/02/07/bugmenot
        \_ err... if you think of it, programming jobs *ARE* manufacturing
           jobs... manufacturing of software, that is.
           \_ Some computer jobs could be classified as manufacturing
              (ex. build/release engineering) but stuff like actual
              design of new software products and development is more
              like classical engineering work than manufacturing jobs.
              \_ just like design of new consumer electronics and other
                 traditional products are done in USA, and manufacturing
                 is done somewhere else.
        \_ If asian countries can do better at software and engineering,
           they can also do better at other things.  What will the US
           be left with?  More than half the new jobs created are related
           to real estate.  Besides that, what else?  Scientists, lots
           of accountants, MBAs?  Service jobs are being outsourced too,
           and pay tend to be low, and those won't help in balancing the
           trade deficit.  The top people will be making more and more,
           while the others will become poorer and poorer.  "Learn foreign
           language and become cross-cultural managers"?  huh?  Once
           language and become cross-cultural managers"?  snicker.  Once
           everything moves to asia, they don't need no stupid cross-
           cultural managers from the US.  I find it a little funny that
           some people seem to think that we can just let asians do
           the software and engineering work, and we can just be their
           managers.
           \_ What's gonna happen? Possibly, the US will continue hemorrhaging
              those jobs until the wage differrentials between US and East Asia
              are not so wide as they are now. Another possibility is to come
              up with new types of products and jobs to replace them.
           \_ America has thrived because it's able to invent new things
              that have never been done. Look at all the cool things that
              came from America: aeronautics, automobile, consumer
              electronics, DRAM, LCD, GPS, etc. At first America has
              the lead on these things, but in a matter of 5-10 years,
              foreigners find ways to perfect techniques and out produce
              better automobiles, TVs, stereos, LCDs, DRAM, and other
              common things.  Go to Fry's or Best Buy... how many products
              are really made in the US? My point is America has never
              really been good at perfecting existing products. They invent
              something new, and move on to something else. The way I see
              software and hardware development is that it's maturing, and
              a lot of complexities are broken down in such a way that SW
              dev is more and more like designing automobile and consumer
              electronics. Despite what we know about OO, scalability,
              reliability, usability, QA, verification, and other things
              that complacent Americans think they're the only people who
              excel at, it's just a matter of time before Indians and
              Chinese really understand computer science, and catch up.
              \_ The assumption is that America can out invent the
                 Chinese and Indians.  The thing is, the Chinese
                 and Indians ain't bad historically at inventions
                 (compared with say the Japanese), but just haven't had
                 the opportunity (wars, poverty, easier to just copy
                 instead of invent when you are behind) to lead and
                 invent.  Once they have lots of engineers doing leading
                 edge work, they will become very competitive with
                 inventing new things.  The other thing is that with
                 internet and globalization and how fast information
                 travels, the benefit you get by being the inventor has
                 been reduced.
                 \- Some years ago on the cover of the IEEE Spectrum there
                    was a pictures of the Pentium design team. That should
                    tell you something about the Chinese and Indians as
                    ethnicities vs. nations. See also winners of programming
                    olympiad type stuff.
                    \_ I am thinking more in terms of culture / nation
                       and not race / ethnicity.
                 \_ The advantage America has is one of numbers. We have
                    so few people and so much resources that large numbers
                    of creative minds can simply sit around and tinker w/
                    things until they make something new.
                    It is not so in Asia (my experience is w/ India, but
                    China is the same from what I'm told). In Asia there
                    are a million people competing for every single dead
                    end job that is out there. If you just want to live
                    you have to stay w/in the system. This societal setup
                    does not allow for the freedom to invent new things
                    b/c if you sit around wasting time tinkering your
                    kids end up starving to death.
                    \- The US universites benefitted from the Oxbridge
                       braindrain. They got some big names who were paid
                       ass there and were picked up here. On the other hand
                       some junior faculty and grad student types I have
                       known seem to feel kind of threatened by russians
                       and chinese people who are way better at math than
                       they are ... these people are not mathematicians but
                       in related disciplines like stat, finance, econ etc.
                       People losing out to competition are not happy.
                       But the structural metaphor isnt outsourcing but a
                       raising of the bar in a field like applied stat.
        \_ "the West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or
            values or religion but rather by its superiority in applying
            organized violence. Westerners often forget this fact,
            non-Westerners never do."
            \_ Where's this from?
           cultural managers from the US.
            \_ Bet they said this about the huns or the Ottomans as well.
               \_ Or the Mongols.
2005/6/9-12 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:38057 Activity:nil
6/8     IE gets tabbed browsing:
        http://www.internetnews.com/xSP/article.php/3511336
        \_ ooooold news
        \_ yaaay! I'm switching back. I hate incompatible Firefox shit.
           \_ Yeah, Firefox just isn't compatible with ANY of my spy ware.
           \_ And I hate that Firefox doesn't display all those lovely Your-
              Computer-Has-Been-Infected pop-ups too.
2005/6/8-9 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:38036 Activity:low
6/8     Some nice plugins for Firefox:
        Spelling Checker for text boxes:
                http://spellbound.sourceforge.net
        Bookmark Synchronizer:
                link:tinyurl.com/9527h
                \_ unfortunately, it doesn't yet support SFTP, so setting it
                   up reasonably is a pain in the butt.  -tom
        BugMeNot password lookup:
                http://roachfiend.com/archives/2005/02/07/bugmenot
        \_ also,
           Session Saver: (save all open tabs when you want or on crash)
           http://www.extensionsmirror.nl/index.php?showtopic=166
           \_ This one caused no end of crashes for me which made it sort of
              a net loss.
              \_ This plugin is concerned with its job security.
2005/6/7-12 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:38005 Activity:nil
6/7     Is there a way to run more than one instance, at the same
        time, of Mozilla Firefox in Windows?  When I try to run
        an instance using a different profile, a new window running
        under the old profile is spawned. - danh
        \_ http://www.mozilla.org/support/firefox/profile  - gerald
           \_ Doesn't allow them AT THE SAME TIME. -not danh
        \_ I haven't tried this, but this turned up by searching Google for
           "Firefox multiple simultaneous profiles":
           http://www.techzonez.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-14218.html
           \_ Hey cool.  This works.  Thanks. -not danh
              Oh awesome.  This also works for thunderbird.
                \_ wow, thanks motd! - danh
2005/5/16-17 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers, Computer/SW/OS/Windows] UID:37707 Activity:moderate
5/16    I'm looking for software (free or shareware) on windows that can help
        me manage information found on the web.  Usually I find some useful
        info and if I forget to bookmark it or write down the address
        somewhere else, it'll take me hours to find it again one month later.
        Also bookmarking is not really scalable.  I can't write my own notes
        etc.  There has got to be an easier way to classify and take notes and
        store links (or save HTML pages locally) in an indexable and
        searchable manner.  Thanks.
        \_ Well, firstly I would agree that bookmarks could use some
           improvement. But I think you can use normal Firefox bookmarks to
           sort of do this. You can open the bookmark manager which is
           searchable, and lets you attach a longish description to any item.
           What it really needs is a one-button "bookmark this" which includes
           the description field. Basically a UI issue. Actually, I just
           tried this and noticed the search function doesn't look at
           description text. What a POS.
        \_ just create subfolders in your bookmarks
        \_ What we need is kchang's auto classification motd tool for
           firefox!!  We just bookmark a page and based on content, it
           gets classified under a particular category! You should be
           able to get different 'views' of your bookmarks based on
           category, date, etc!
        \_ Hmmmm, interesting, I will have to spend some time doing more
           feasibility study on this and afterwards consider this feature...
        \_ I use a plain text file for this.
        \_ Not sure about Windows, but at least on OS X some of my
           friends use a product called Sticky Brain.  I use text
           file and a bunch of nested directories.
2005/5/12-13 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:37647 Activity:nil 66%like:37643
5/11    Firefox 1.0.4 out.
        http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/releases/1.0.4.html
        \_ Sigh, it's looking more like IE -- non-stop never ending updates to
        \_ Sigh, it's looking more like IE -- non-stop never-ending updates to
           fix security holes.
           \_ do you actually use IE?
              \_ Only for accessing web pages in my company.  Before FF 0.9.3
                 I used Netscape for everything else.
                 \_ that's what i thought. even though ff is constantly
                    putting out security updates, it's still pretty
                    fundamentally different than IE.
                        \_ The fundamental difference being the spyware and
                           adware you don't end up with.
                           \_ All malware problems will be solved in the
                              next windows update! ..err.. the next
                              service pack! ...err.. the next version of
                              windows... -Microsoft
2005/5/12 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:37643 Activity:nil 66%like:37647
5/11    Firefox 1.0.4 out.
2005/5/10-12 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:37611 Activity:nil 80%like:37608
5/10    http://news.zdnet.com/2100-1009_22-5700204.html
        "Mozilla ... advises people to temporarily disable JavaScript." WTF?
        \_ Micro$oft is behind this.
        \_ What do you mean WTF?  There's a security vulnerability in their
           software updater.  I think disabling "Allow web sites to install
           software" is also sufficient.
           \_ Quote updated.
2005/5/10 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:37608 Activity:high 80%like:37611
5/10    http://news.zdnet.com/2100-1009_22-5700204.html
        "Mozilla has changed its update Web service and advises people to
        temporarily disable JavaScript." WTF?
        \_ Micro$oft is behind this.
        \_ What do you mean WTF?  There's a security vulnerability in their
           software updater.  I think disabling "Allow web sites to install
           software" is also sufficient.
2005/5/10-11 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:37607 Activity:nil
5/9     I have a problem with FireFox. I have a trackball and one of
        the buttons is set to Universal Scroll, where once pressed, I
        can scroll the application up/down (without moving to the right
        side to click on the scroll bar). I can do this for all the MS
        applications, but I can't do it for FireFox. How do I configure
        it to have the same behaviour? Cheers.
        \_ For me, when printing from http://NYTimes.com, the pdf often shows up only
           as one page when the story clearly continues on.  I get something
           like one page of print and three pages of blanks.
2005/5/5-6 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers, Computer/SW/OS/Windows] UID:37537 Activity:moderate
5/5     I have only owned Macs until getting a cheap pc recently, so I don't
        even know what registry is.  What book/ resource do you recommend
        that will help me become a competent windoze user, starting with
        securing it from virus/attacks?  tia
        \_ get a router for internet access if you havn't done so already,
           PC magazine recently had an article on how to secure your PC. At
           the hardware level you need a firewall/router, then at the software
           level you need anti-virus software, spyware scanner, and firewall.
           and finally you should also keep your windows up to date with
           windows update.
        \_ Don't run programs you don't trust.  Macs are not intrinsicly safer
           in this respect but far fewer malwares exist for Macs.  Also, learn
           to recognize what can include executable code.  A non-exhaustive
           list includes EXE, BAT, COM, SCR, MSI, PIF...
           \_ And beware of e-mail attachments with names like
              "foobar.jpg.exe".
              \_ Windows' default is 'Hide extensions of known file types',
                 which is really quite dangerous.  You can show all file
                 extensions at Explorer->Tools->Folder Options->View->Advanced
                 \_ Ah, I always wonder who would fall for "foobar.jpg.exe",
                    now I know. I always enable extension display, but just
                    because I like it, not because of security.
        \_ Create a normal user account for yourself that's not in the
           Administrators or the Power Users group. Use the
           Administrator account only to install new software and to
           change settings.
           \_ I wonder how often people actually do this... On unix
              this is a given, but on windows I don't know anyone that
              actually do this.
              \_ Everyone who cares about security and who understands
                 the implications of being logged in as admin. all the time
                 (you don't have to be an uber-geek to see it)
                 \_ Are you saying I don't care about security and ...?  I
                    always auto-login as Administrator, but then, none of my
                    Windows boxes can communicate with the outside world.  I
                    do all my "internet" stuff on FreeBSD boxes and iBook.
              \_ I started doing this a couple months ago.  But now when I log
                 in as non-admin, I can't see in the Start menu some of the
                 programs that I installed as admin.  So I still have to log in
                 as admin to run those programs.
              \_ I don't. Never had a problem. If I had something nasty on my
                 PC it could screw me anyway. Just backup your shit. I guess
                 it might prevent some worm stuff from installing itself if
                 you're worried about that. So, I guess if you're new to the OS
                 it might be a prudent move. Too much hassle for me though.
        \_ Use Firefox instead of IE as much as possible. That's the #1 thing
           that I did when I was a windoze user (I switched to Mac last year)
           \_ this is bullshit. i like firefox but yeah. not like firefox is
              without bugs.
        \_ Why did you get a Windows PC?
2005/4/30-5/3 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:37434 Activity:moderate
4/30    In Outlook Express I get an error message everytime I check my
        CSUA account, although I still get my mail.  I am using POP port 995
        with SSL.  Is there a way I can prevent this message, it's annoying:
        "The server you are connected to is using a security certificate that
        could not be verified.  A certificate chain processed, but terminated
        in a root certificate which is not trusted by the trust provider.  Do
        you want to continue using this server?"
        \_ asking Outlook question on csua motd is a bad idea.  Any reason
           why you want to use Outlook Express at first place?
           \_ One (the?) reason to use Outlook as opposed to, say, Mozilla/
              T-Bird is that it uses the XP MyStore as opposed to the Netscape
              one which has problems with some certs (esp. personal certs with
              non-exportable private keys.)  I've just gone through this, and
              while OpenSSL can deal with a lot of cert-related problems, it's
              a bit tough for novice users to get the hang of.  And if you're
              dealing with multiple mail profiles, including Exchange/MAPI, it
              has nicer calendaring/AD integration if you're lazy.  -John
              \_ We're talking about Outlook Express, not Outlook.
                 \_ CAPI/MyStore point holds, though.  -John
           \_ I use it because it's easy to use and comes with XP.  Why is
              it a bad idea to ask on the motd?
              \_ because it's extremely virus prone.  from the message, I
                 assume it's because csua uses a self-signed certificate.
                 there might be a security setting you can toggle to default
                 allow self-signed certificates.  unfortunately I only know
                 how to do this on macs.
                 \_ Thanks for your help, by knowing CSUA uses self-signed
                    certificates I was able to find the answer on Google.
                    What you have to do is go to:
                    <DEAD>soda.csua.berkeley.edu:995<DEAD>
                    Then, when prompted, you can choose to "View the
                    Certificate" and import it.  After that your Outlook
                    Express account won't prompt you anymore since it's
                    stored in the IE database.  Hope this helps others.
                    \_ Thanks!  995 is the SSL POP port.  FYI, I was trying to
                       do this with another mail server using SSL IMAP.  I just
                       needed to browse to <DEAD>my-server:993<DEAD> in Internet
                       Explorer and do the same thing. (port 993 is the default
                       SSL IMAP port).
                       Don't use Mozilla/Thunderbird/Netscape e-mail, but I
                       imagine it's the same process but you need to import the
                       cert using a Mozilla-based browser.
                       \_ On the contrary, you don't need to deal with such
                          roundabout nonsense with those.
        \_ I urge you give Mozilla Thunderbird a try.  It is more intuitive
           to use than Outlook Express, IMHO.  Further, you are stuck with
           the Outlook Express' file format. it's hard to do back up,
           restoration, and etc... and it's virus-prone.
           \_ For office use, I get huge attachments.  Thunderbird needs to
              support deleting attachments like Outlook does.  Can't say
              much for Outlook Express, though, since OE doesn't support it.
2005/4/25-27 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:37348 Activity:nil
4/25    firefox question: how do you disable the "feature" where if you
        type e.g. "microsoft" in the urlbar it automatically goes to
        http://www.microsoft.com I hate that.
        \_ it doesn't default to http://www.foo.com it defaults to google
           search "I'm feeling lucky" button for "foo". -nivra
           button "I'm feeling lucky" for "foo". -nivra
           \_ Also, I think this is configurable through the keyword.URL
              about:config entry.
              \_ Ok I tried changing keyword.URL and keyword.enabled and
                 still get the described microsoft behavior. :(
                 \_ sounds like a bug.  You could always try modifying
                    your user.js instead of about:config  -nivra
                    http://www.mozilla.org/support/firefox/tips#beh_search
        \_ It always does that if you hit Ctrl-Enter after typing in a location.
           Otherwise I haven't noticed that.  It is configurable in full
           Mozilla.  Lack of all available preferences w/out resorting to the
           javascript config is one of the complaints about FF vs. Moz.
2005/4/23 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers, Computer/SW/Languages/Misc] UID:37333 Activity:nil
4/23    Hello my Mormon brethren, you'll want the following
        script + the greasemonkey firefox extension
        http://www.arantius.com/article/arantius/clean+language - danh
2005/4/20-22 [Computer/Blog, Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:37283 Activity:high
4/20    Question about Internet libel: I have a bitchy pissed-off (ex)friend
        who has decided to make it her life's work to get back at me.  She
        routinely posts crap on her blog about me, but today she actually
        posted my full name with her lies.  I did some searches on Google
        for recent legislation/rulings about Internet libel and found
        nothing but opinions about how things should be.  Does anyone know
        the current state of whether blog postings count as libel?  And
        additionally, any suggestions on getting her to stop (and change her
        recent blog post to not include my name) without having to actually
        resort to legal action?
        -jvarga
        \_ This doesn't answer your question but it's related.  A friend of
           mine googled his own name, and found some chick's blog talking about
           "stalking [my friends full name]" which described her going around
           to various places where he works or hangs out to try to stalk him.
           Amusing but harmless.
        \_ I just googled for your name and couldn't find anything...
           \_ The crawlers havn't hit it yet.  A friend who routinely monitors
              her blog tipped me off to it.  The post was made this morning.
              - jvarga
              \_ What, no link?
        \_ There is not really any way to stop someone from doing something
           like this, short of legal action. Even if you go to court, all
           you can probably get is a monetary judgement. You *can* sue for
           libel, but it is expensive. Is this an ex? You are probably
           better off just trying to get some emotional distance from this
           and think about legal action later, when you are not so heated
           about it. -ausman
           libel, but it is expensive and time consuming. Is this an ex-gf?
           You are probably better off just trying to get some emotional
           distance from this and think about what you want to do about it
           later, when you are not so upset about it. -ausman
        \_ In order to answer this question properly, the motd requires that
           you tell the story behind this. Thank you.
           \- i think the toughest thing for you to prove will be harm or
              damage. if she just says you are an asshole or a "butthead
              programmer" that probably wont do it. however, there are
              legal claims in the area of privacy and harassment which is
              a different matter from defamation. i do not know much about
              this other than being aware of this option. that may be more
              fruitful. depending on the WEEB site where this is appearing,
              there may be non-legal approaches to this. --psb
              \_ Yes, I forgot that you can sometimes get postings removed
                 if they violate an AUP at an ISP. This would just force her
                 to change venues, though. Sometimes this is enough.
                 to change ISPs, though. Sometimes this is enough.
                 \_ Sure, just piss her off some more.
        \_ catfight!!
        \_ Get over it. If the blog entries continue, they will sound more
           and more shrill. Unless the accusations significantly affect your
           reputation and you can prove it, it's not worth the time or effort.
           That said, have someone, anonymously or not, let the person know
           that naming you can be seen as defamation of character which is a
           precursor to a possible libel suit. Fear is your pal.
        \_ The libel suit is basically not happening.  The rules for libel
           suits are pretty much the same for blogs/the web as they are for
           print.  The problem is that proving *material* harm (are the things
           she's saying costing you money due to lost job or business
           opportunities?) is *very* hard to do.  The other test you have to
           pass is would an ordinary individual off the street believe the
           things this person is saying are true.  You can try pursuing this
           legally but it is a) expensive and b) 80% likely to fail.  Why not
           just try talking to your ex-friend/gf/life-pal/whatever and saying
           ``Hey, knock it off you're being an immature git.'' in so many
           words. -dans
           \- as i said above, libel is probably not the way to go if it
              is personal stuff [as opposed to "he has been fired mutliple
              time for incompetence"] but there are other (legal) avenues.
              if it is beyond "just talk to her" and contancting isp etc,
              i think you are in "real lawyer" land. --psb
              \_ I don't have any intention of making this legal, I'm just
                 trying to find ways to make her go away.  The relationship
                 ended over a month ago and I've gone on with life (I just have
                 to monitor every so often to play damage control as she tries
                 to mess with my reputation in Berkeley while I'm out of state)\
                 but she's done anything but.  I just need some way to get it
                 to mess with my reputation in Berkeley while I'm out of state)
                 but she's done anything but.  I just need some way to get it
                 through her head that "its over, move the fuck on, stop trying
                 to destroy my life because you feel hurt and vindictive."
                 I've already pretty much cut off communication with her but
                 I'm getting sick of cleaning up all of the crap she's doing to
                 me back in Berkeley, this just being one very very small part
                 of the big picture. - jvarga
                 \_ guess the breakup was anything but amicable
                 \_ I tend to be fairly laissez faire about this thing.
                    Unless your ex is really vindicitve AND really socially
                    adept AND really evil she probably won't do much damage.
                    Your friends know you, and will be able to smell her
                    bullshit a mile a way.  Unless of course all your friends
                    were mutual, and you're playing the divide up the friends
                    game in which case you might want to consider an emergency
                    trip to Berkeley just to play it safe. -dans
                    \_ When you play the divide up the friends game, the girl
                       usually wins. The bar for female's credibility is set
                       really low compared to yours.
                       \_ That's inconsistent with my experieince.  Are you
                          really socially inept, or should I just be happy I
                          don't have friends like yours? -dans
                    \- you can try to push her over the edge so she becomes
                       non-functional.
                   \_ Be the bigger person and rise above it. If someone
                      asks you about it, you can answer, but I don't think you
                      need to defend yourself otherwise. Your friends won't need
                      it and others won't believe you anyway. Avoid going on
                      a retaliatory smear campaign, if you can help it.
                 \_ Dude, it's only been a month, give her more time to get
                    over it.  She sounds like a bit off, but maybe you pushed
                    her.  Next time, choose your gf more wisely.
        \_ We have just been discussing Defamation in my Torts class. Based
           on what we have covered, you might be able to make out a cause of
           action for libel against her. I'll ask my Torts prof and get back
           to you. Anyway, based on what I know:
           Assuming that these statements aren't some sort of public concern
           (you are stealing from the univ or some such) and you are not some
           sort of public official/figure, you will fall into the "private/
           private" category and should be able to get some money or and
           injunction/retraction w/o needing to show actual harm (libel
           can recover w/o actual damages in most cases). If you can show
           knowing falsity or reckless disregard for the truth (NY Times
           actual malice) you might even be able to get presumed and
           punitive damages.
           I think the tricky part will be to show that her statements were
           capable of having a defamatory meaning. You will have to show
           that the statements were more than hyperbole and that they are
           proveably false (opinion is generally not actionable). The tough
           part will be in proving that the statements were capable of
           lowering your reputation or detering others from associating w/
           you or exposed you to hatred, contempt or ridicule.
           What might be better than actually going through w/ a suit is
           to threaten her w/ one and maybe file a complaint to that end.
           You can probably file the complaint yourself in at the ct house
           and serve her via certified mail. That should really spook her.
           \_ Shows what you know. You can't serve someone in state
              simply with certified mail. -williamc
              \_ iirc sec Cal Civ Proc Code Sec 415 allows in state
                 service by mail in lieu of personal service.
                 \_ and you recalled wrong. If you actually read the code
                    you still need to attempt to serve in person first and
                    THEN mail a copy. Look, buddy, I work at a law firm,
                    we have to go through a process server or through a
                    3rd party who's over 18 years of age. If the OP's
                    location is unknown you have to do a due diligence
                    search and show the court
                    before appearing. Serving papers in-state can get messy.
                    Also, you can't just leave the papers in a mailbox when
                    serving, you usually have to make best-efforts attempts
                    at contacting the OP someone who can give it to the OP
                    like a landlord or a relative.
                    -williamc
                 \_ You are absolutely right. Unfortunately, this doesn't
                    usually work with things like this because the OP can
                    just ignore it and after 20 days you'll have to server
                    them in person, which is why we never go through this
                    route and use process servers. -williamc
                    \_ Okay. I didn't know that. I just remember my civ
                       pro prof saying that in ca, you could use mail
                       for in state service but that some states don't
                       allow mail for in state service. thanks for
                       the info.
                 \_ Maybe we should deport you to Canada for saying something
                    williamc doesn't like....
                    \_ Well, let's just say that maybe we should deport people
                       who don't actually read the code carefully to Canada.
                       Hey, maybe you can get served through registered mail
                       within the province! -williamc
           \_ what law school do you attend?
        \_ Just curious...so she is posting things about you on the
           Internet, and you are posting things about her on the MOTD...I
           don't see much difference really...if she is reading these posts,
           she would probably consider it slandering too.
           \_ Now there is a stupider than average comment.
           \_ It's only slander if it's not true.  -tom
              \_ what can we say about jvarga's claim that his ex is bitchy
                 and has made it her life's work to get back at him by lying
                 about him on her blog?
                 \_ Generally a statement has to be proveable true/false
                    to be actionable. The statement that she is 'bitchy' is
                    probably not actionable b/c it is basically an opinon,
                    or an insult. Similarly the statement that it is "her
                    life's work" is also not actionable b/c it is basically
                    hyperbole and no one would really think that she had
                    made it her life's work to get jvarga.
                    Now the statement that she is 'lying' might be actionable
                    if she is not lying. However, if we assume that jvarga
                    is telling the truth (probably a safe assumption), then
                    the statement is not actionable.
              \_ actually, some states that still use common law will find
                 slander even when the statement is true IF the person who
                 made the statement acted out of ill will (assuming that
                 there are no 1st amd limits).
           \_ Responding to a defamatory comment or asking for information
              regarding such comments is considered 'self-help' and is in
              generally not considered defamatory on its own.
2005/4/19 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:37254 Activity:nil
4/19    Firefox 1.0.3 released. Fixes security vulnerabilities.
        http://www.mozilla.org/projects/security/known-vulnerabilities.html
2005/4/15-17 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:37216 Activity:nil
4/15    Firefox 1.0.3 is out.  No release note yet.
        \_ Release notes available now.
2005/4/4-5 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:37063 Activity:nil
4/4     The old Mozilla has a field in prefs.js where I can change my
        cache location. Firefox 1.0.2 doesn't have that field. Where/how can
        I change my cache location for Firefox 1.0.2? Thanks.
        \_ From the motd on 11/18:
           %USERPROFILE%\Application Data\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\<name>\Cache
           Don't know how to change it.
        \_ http://www.mozilla.org/support/firefox/tips#oth_cache
           Add the following in your user.js
           user_pref("browser.cache.disk.parent_directory","C:\\Path To Cache");
           \_ I believe you can just define the above as a new parameter when
              browsing to about:config.  I did it, it worked, then I decided
              I didn't want custom stuff anymore and deleted the parameter,
              which restored the original cache directory.
              Don't need double \\'s if you use about:config.
2005/3/29-30 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:36936 Activity:low
2/29    This is kind of cool for those who haven't seen it:
        http://geogweb.berkeley.edu/GeoImages/QTVR/Berkeley/Central.html
        (Campus panoramas)  -John
        \_ ah fuck, it hanged my firefox. Just what I need.
           \_ Works fine under Mozilla.  Just a bunch of QT panorama movie
              type things.  Sorry it didn't work OK for you.  -John
2005/3/28-30 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:36923 Activity:low
3/28    New Doctor Who episodes on you favorite file share
        server. Pretty cool and the companion is nice on the eyes.
           \_ http://www.piratebay.org of course.
            \_ winmx has it. Inerestingly enough; there is a writeup
        on the BBC web site both on the series and how fast copies of
        the first episode made it around the world via the internet.
        Having a cute blonde companion works wonders :-)
        \_ What's my favorite file share server?
           \_ http://www.piratebay.org of course.
            \_ winmx has it. Inerestingly enough; there is a writeup
        on the BBC web site both on the series and how fast copies of
        the first episode made it around the world via the internet.
        Having a cute blonde companion works wonders :-)
2005/3/23-24 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:36841 Activity:nil 60%like:36408 60%like:39828
3/23    Firefox 1.0.2 is out, mostly security fixes:
        http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/releases/1.0.2.html
        \_ Gee, I just installed 1.0.1 three days ago.
        \_ Is it becoming another IE which needs constant patching?
2005/3/22-24 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:36806 Activity:nil
3/22    In Firefox, after I visit a page that requires a plug-in, it displays
        "Additional plugins are required ......" on top with an "Install
        Missing Plugins..." button.  When I click the button, it says the
        missing plugin is Macromedia Flash Player 7.  I click "Next" to see
        the license, and "Next" to try install.  Now it stays at the "Firefox
        in installing plugins..." dialg forever.  I tried in 1.0 several times
        before and now in 1.0.1, and the problem always happens.  Any idea?
        TIA.
        \_ What if you go to macromedia and manually download and install
           the plugin?
           \_ Hmm.  I go to the same page with IE6.0 on the same machine, and
              IE can play the animation fine.  Does that mean the plugin is
              already present on my machine?  Are plugins shared between FF and
              IE?
              IE?  -- OP
              \_ Okay, I go to macromedia and manually download and install the
                 plugin, and now it works.  Still wondering why clicking
                 "Install Missing Plugins..." doesn't work.  -- OP
2005/3/19-22 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:36770 Activity:low
3/19    Is there a way to get Mozilla under Windows to use mystore to manage
        certificates rather than its own internal cert manager?  I have a
        DER-encoded client cert that's usable by IE, but I'd like to see
        it used by Mozilla (which requires PKCS#12 certs for its own store,
        rather than DER or p7b.)  -John
        \_ It is possible to conver between DER and PKCS#12 (I believe that
        \_ It is possible to convert between DER and PKCS#12 (I believe that
           OpenSSL will do it if you know the correct incantation).  email me
           if you go this route and have trouble, it's been a while since I
           did it last, but I should be able to figure it out again. -dans
           \_I may do this when I get a chance--the problem is that PKCS#7
             just contains certs, and #12 can contain certs along with
             private keys.  You can tag a private key in a PKCS#12 container
             to be non-exportable, in which case, good luck under Windows.
             There's no way to get Mozilla to use the (otherwise very nice)
             MS CAPI directly?  -John
             \_ Right, the PKCS#12 format containing private keys sounds like
                the rub I remember.  If memory serves part of the problem was
                that the keys *could* be encrypted using a password as a
                symmetric key, but were not necessarily the case.  I have no
                experience with the MS CAPI so I can't speak to its
                capabilities.  I think when I did the conversion, I only
                needed the public certificates and managed to get OpenSSL to
                slam a (public) cert into PKCS#12 format with an empty or
                garbage private key that was never used.  I'm a little slammed
                workwise at present, but if I find a spare moment later this
                week I'll poke at OpenSSL and get back to you. -dans
                \_ That's a very cool trick, I hadn't thought of that.  I
                   will also have a go at it when I have a moment--don't
                   stress.  Apparently something called 'safesign CSP' lets
                   Mozilla use CAPI but I haven't tried it yet.  -John
                   \_ Cool, let me know how it works out. -dans
2005/3/15-17 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:36696 Activity:low
3/15    Anyone know of something like spook.el that runs autonomously of
        emacs under Windows, and which can be used to append garbage sigs
        to Mozilla mail?
        \_ get a life.
           \_ Go fuck yourself.  Next?
              \_ Great, now he'll want to marry himself next.  Way to go.
                 \_ I don't think he can legally marry himself -- so I guess
                    you could say he has the same rights as everyone else.
2005/3/10 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:36613 Activity:nil
3/10    Is there a newer release of Firefox 1.0.1 that fixes the broken pop-up
        blocker?  The Firefox site doesn't mention anything about this problem.
        I'm still using 1.0.  Thanks.
        \_ The pop-up blocker works fine in 1.0.1.
           \_ Regular pop-up blocking works, but some sites get around it by
              making a popup in a seperate layer of the main page, or using a
              link-click to create a pop(up|under) and load the next page in
              the parent window.
           \_ Try http://www.factmonster.com Nice site, and the pop-up blows
              Firefox and Google blocking like a stiff wind.
              \_ I got no pop-ups from them using Firefox.
           \_ I thought someone posted on motd a while ago saying that some
              pop-ups were blocked by 1.0 but not 1.0.1.
2005/3/6-7 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:36547 Activity:kinda low
3/4     "Screwdriver had to be taken away suddenly"?  Is this one of those
        PATRIOT act things where you can't tell us what the hell is going
        on?
        \_ Since I have no idea what the hell you're talking about, I decided
           to put the word "screwdriver" into http://news.google.com.  It turns out
           there's actually a hell of a lot of mayhem caused by
           screwdriver-wielding thugs worldwide.  So what *are* you talking
           about?
           \_ I assume "screwdriver" is a CSUA machine.  It's mentioned in
              motd.official.
              \_ Ok, I figured that out now... I'm still glad I googled
                 "screwdriver", though.  Very amusing.
                 \_ did it have a link to a story on the kid who died outside
                    an internet cafe a few years ago after he was stabbed in
                    the head with a screwdriver?
                 \_ You should google "skrewdriver."  This will lead you to
                    some of the best of the web.
                    \_ Is "best of web" poorly done irony?  Or are you some
                       post-post-modern bemused intellectual?  I didn't
                       think UCB admitted white supremecy nutjobs.
        \_ Taken down, not away.  Our volunteer sysadmins are doing some
           work on the machine, and on various other CSUA machines.
           How many types of emergencies d'you think might cause this?
           Think for a minute.....   --PeterM
        \_ I was lead to understand it got hacked.
2005/3/6-7 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:36545 Activity:moderate
3/6     Hey kchang, what's the deal with kais motd external links defaulting
        opening in a new window? Didn't you get the memo that that's
        obnoxious and outdated behavior now that all sane browsers allow the
        users to have their own pick of same window/new tab/new window?
        \_ In case you hadn't noticed, kchang has no clue.  He uses <blink>.
            -tom
           \_ I agree <blink> totally sucks.
           \_ ok fine I have no clue. Let's see you do a better job,
              Mr. cranky failed barely educated from cal tom holub.
        \_ Right click, then select "open in new tab"
           Your other option is to use something else.
           The sooner you stop whining the sooner you get what you want.
        \_ http://www.mozilla.org/support/firefox/tips#beh_reuse
           This site teaches you how to 1) disable blink 2) force Firefox
           open in the same window or another tab. The blink and window
           problems are not exclusive to just Kais Motd, you know? Now
           get your fucking lazy ass learning something new instead of
           bitching about it, dumb fucks.
           \_ translation: "my site sucks, and I like it that way"
        \_ kchang, your website is a blessing and a boon. Ignore the haters.
2005/3/1-2 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:36473 Activity:nil
3/1     How do I make firefox always ask me for download location confirmation?
        I am doing a proj where I frequently save files to different folders,
        Right now it automatically goes to the default download dir. Thanks!!
        \_ How do I login to my computer?  Thanks!!
        \_ You're an undergrad, right?  it's Tools -> Options -> Downloads.
           \_ Ops. -pp
2005/2/25 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:36414 Activity:nil
2/25    Hey, I got my second FireFox 1.0.1 (WinXP) seg fault within 24 hours.
        Can someone with 1.0.1 try this link and tell me if it crashes their
        browser?
    http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribune/05/breaking2453427.0368055557.html
        \_ Does it seg fault in 1.0?
           \_ 1.0 only crashed once a week or so for me.  I'll try to
              re-install 1.0.1 given what people wrote ...
        \_ No seg fault, but the pop-up blew right past the pop-up blocker.
        \_ No seg fault for me despite the nasty popups.
          \_ yeah the pop-up stopper is broken, and in fact I've noticed this
             for a while. I thought the pop-up stopper was superior over any
             other pop-up stoppers. I guessed wrong :(
             \_ I run FF 1.0 and LavaSoft Ad-Watch together.  FF 1.0 blocked
                many more pop-ups than Ad-Watch.  I guess I won't switch to
                FF 1.0.1 until its problems are cleaned up.
                \_ 1.0.1 on OSX also allows this pop-up through, FYI.
        \_ Okay, it was crashing because I had the flashblock extension
           installed (prevents Macromedia Flash ads from running unless you
           click on them).  They released a new version of flashblock on
           Feb 23 that fixes crashes.  Now Firefox + flashblock doesn't crash
           with that link.  (Yeah, that's the only extension I'm running.) -op
2005/2/24-27 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:36408 Activity:nil 60%like:36841
2/24    Firefox 1.0.1 is out. Many security fixes.
        http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/releases
2005/2/10 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:36130 Activity:moderate
2/10    Is anyone else having a problem where the NYTimes is  constantly
        asking you to login again?
        \_ Nevermind, Mozilla was rejecting cookies over 365 days. -op
2005/2/7-8 [Computer/SW/Languages/C_Cplusplus, Computer/SW/Compilers, Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:36090 Activity:moderate
2/7     http://www.cs.ucla.edu/~kohler/pubs
        Read the first paper. Not too technical and quite readable. I hope
        it gets accepted into the prestigious WMCS, C&I conference.
        \_ That rules.
        \_ i guess it's nice to know that it's not just me.
           \_ Heh, ditto that. Maybe Phillip should write up a more in-depth
              study on the subject?
        \_ Cute.
        \_ The log graph on page 10 rocks.
        \- Did you actually submit that?
           \_ PROFESSOR Kohler doesn't have a csua account.
2005/2/4-7 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:36067 Activity:kinda low
2/4     Say I am single and my income is around $25K and I might need to use
        education related deductions. Which online e-filing service would be
        best to use? (preferably with Mozilla/Firefox support)
        \_ I use TurboTax for the web, and it seems to do a serviceable job.
           I have no problem using it with either Firefox or Safari.  Notably,
           it's a good $10 or $20 cheaper if you file before April one.  Also,
           a number of banking/investment (in my case both Vanguard and BofA)
           have cut deals with Intuit that discount the service even further
           for their customers. -dans
           \_ this year, they redirect you to a web page that says that you're
              using an unsupported web browser if you try to login with Mozilla
              or Firefox.
              \_ Strange, I never received that redirect, but then I've been
                 going via link from Vanguard and not through the front door
                 so to speak.
        \_ Most e-filing services are free for individuals in your bracket
           and some services are free for any income level, all so long as
           you get redirected from the IRS's website:
           http://www.irs.gov
           I tend to use it to shop around for the services I need as you'll
           find some don't support the more esoteric forms if you need them.
           -gerald
2005/2/3 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:36053 Activity:moderate
2/2     What is the exact user-agent string I shouold give lynx, wget, curl and
        the like to make them indistinguishable from say, MSIE browser running
        on a wintel?  Googling led me to to things as simple as MSIE or
        something with parenthesized list and I am confused.  Thanks.
        \_ tail -f /var/log/httpd/access.log
        \_ somebox% nc -l -p 8888
           point your browser to be imitated at <DEAD>somebox:8888<DEAD>
           copy the part after "User-Agent: " and use that.
           --dbushong
2005/2/1 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:36021 Activity:nil
2/1     Use lynx, go to jail:
        http://www.boingboing.net/2005/01/27/jailed_for_using_a_n.html
2005/1/31-2/1 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:36004 Activity:kinda low
1/31    Is there an easy way to wrap text at 72 columns in Mozilla?  Thanks!
        \_ Do you mean in HTML you're writing for a page or in <textarea> tags
           or while viewing source... More details, please.
           \_ Sorry--when viewing plain text with no line wraps.
        \_ <div style="width: 72em">....</div>
           Put the text in the div.  This will sort of work, but not great in
           a proportional font.
2005/1/29-30 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers, Computer/SW/Languages/Misc, Computer/SW/OS/Windows] UID:35971 Activity:moderate
1/29    How can I convert my IE favorites into an html file that I can
        put on my web page?  And then how to I make it accessible only
        via passwd?
        \_ IE has "file -> export favorites" or something. It exports
           to bookmark.htm or something. Then read up on htpasswd.
        \_ And to answer your other question that somebody overwrote,
           the firefox favorites (for windows) are in your profile,
           which is in a hidden windows folder C:\Documents and Settings
           \username\Application Data\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles
2005/1/28-29 [Computer/SW/Apps/Media, Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers, Computer/SW/OS] UID:35962 Activity:nil
1/28    Brain destroying animated gif ahead:
        http://csua.org/u/arh
        \_ I still live!  Sinistar^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hbrain
2005/1/19 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:35799 Activity:high Edit_by:auto
1/19    Is there a commandline interface to kais motd? i.e.
        "kais 23431" spits out that motd post, or "-d 2005.1.14"
        spits out the motd for that day. Via lynx I guess.
                 \_ you got your wish, at your CSUA command line, type:
                    "~kchang/bin/kais 35799" for entry 35799 (THIS ONE)
                    "~kchang/bin/kais 2day" for past 2 days of entries
                    "~kchang/bin/kais 2005/1/1" for new year's entries
                    There are many other commands as well but you need an
                    account. For a preview of account capabilities you can
                    look at http://csua.com/?login=1
                                                                -kchang
                    \_ um, I think I'll wait until I can see the source first.
                       not that I don't trust you or anything...
        Dear anal untrusty person, this is the source  -------------/
        {soda}/home/apollo/kchang/bin> cat kais
        #!/bin/sh
        lynx --dump 'http://csua.com/?text='$*
                  \_ oh, ok. nifty. now we can argue back and forth using only
                     backreferences. since all the politics have already been
                     discussed, according to popular belief.
                     suggestion: allow just "1/1" for the date (default to
                     current year) and allow 1/1/2005. ok thanks.
                     \_ ok you got it. Now I'm interested in seeing a debate
                        based on numbers. It'd be interesting if you guys can
                        reduce all the pointless political arguments and
                        counter arguments to numberical theorem/axiom/numbers
                                                        \_ Do you even know
                                                           what any of these
                                                           words mean?
                                                           \_ he is simply
                                                              ridicuing us
                        and what not. Maybe someone can write a knowledge
                        base system on it as well.              -kchang
2005/1/18-19 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:35766 Activity:low
1/18    Anyone know where Mozilla Thunderbird keeps its cache?
        \_ Thunderbird?  What cache?  Which OS are you talking about also?
        \_ need to clean it? get cache cleaner - freeware for windoze.
2005/1/16-18 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:35740 Activity:moderate
1/16    Has anyone used the Session Saver extension in Firefox? Someone
        told me that it's an extension that lets you save the URL of
        all the current tabs so that next time you launch Firefox, it'll
        go to all the pages from the previous session. ok thx.
        \_  I use it.  seems to work sometimes.
          \_ sometimes? is it worth installing? new probs?
             \_ It just doesn't work 100% of the time.  A lot of power failures
                and hardware crashes work, and on the whole it's nice to have,
                but sometimes I'll start Moz after a crash and it's remembered
                some week-old state.  <shrugs> -!pp
        \_ Just use opera.
           \_ you're a moron.  -tom
              \_ Responding to your own posts again, Tom?
                 \_ no.  I think the idea that you should pay money for a
                    \_ you are offending Sun Microsystem's employee!
                    marginal browser because it has some minor feature
                    enhancement over the free browsers available is
                    ridiculous.  -tom
                    \_ All software purchases must now be approved by tom.
           \_ Opera imap "support" sucks.  -John
2005/1/11-12 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers, Computer/SW/OS/Windows] UID:35649 Activity:moderate
1/11    Yawn.  Another reason to switch away from IE.
        "Yahoo! News - 'Extremely Critical' Flaw Threatens Internet Explorer
        Users"
        http://csua.org/u/anv
        \_ who uses IE anymore?
           \_ ~90% of web surfers, sadly.
           \_ A lot of intranet web apps are written such that they require IE
              to function (ActiveX stuff).  The SF Police crime statistics
              site requires IE.  Design decisions are not always made by smart
              people.  "Who needs standards when we can standardize on MS!"
              \_ That's awesome.  The fastest growing crime is identity
                 theft, and the SF Police crime site require IE.  Trying
                 to boost that stats, are we?
                 \_ Viruses, crashes, hiring hordes of admins to keep the
                    rickety systems functional -- Yet Windows just keeps
                    becoming more popular.
                    \_ In this sense, Windoze keeps the economy going.
                        \_ Only in the sense that an inefficient economy is
                           a good economy.
2005/1/6-7 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:35572 Activity:nil
1/6     How can I make Mozilla never play background music for any websites?
2004/12/23-25 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:35424 Activity:nil
12/23   When I used wget to fetch files form a particular site, it immediately
        gave me a 403 forbidden (before it even get to load robots.txt).
        I can view the web page using a browser, and I have set the user
        agent to be 'Internet Explorer.'  So what's wrong?
        \_ You probably neglected to set the referer.
2004/12/10-11 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:35242 Activity:moderate
12/9    Okay bored guy, here you go.  Here's a really cool bit of web browser
        hacking.  Works in FireFox.  Will only work in IE if you have ActiveX
        enabled, but it doesn't use ActiveX.  Stupid microsoft just disables
        XMLHTTP when ActiveX is disabled.
        http://www.google.com/webhp?hl=en&complete=1
        \_ Ass. It starts over the word halfway through typing it.
           \_ Not for me.  Which browser are you using?  I'm on Firefox 1.0
           \_ Works for me.  Which browser are you using?  I'm on Firefox 1.0
              OSX
              \_ Mozilla OS 9, b/c Firefox doesn't support OS 9
2004/11/22 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers, Computer/SW/OS/Windows, Recreation/Media] UID:35008 Activity:nil
11/22   Monkey Shakespeare Simulator
        http://user.tninet.se/~ecf599g/aardasnails/java/Monkey/webpages
2004/11/18-20 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:34961 Activity:nil
11/18   Is there a way to disable the "Additional plugins are required to
        display all the media on this page" pop-up in Firefox?
        Flash is a dog in Firefox, and I just don't want to install it.
        \_ Get a cat
           \_ I can't spare the $1000 that a cat costs.
        \_ Use The Source Luke!
2004/11/18-19 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers, Computer/SW/OS/Windows] UID:34954 Activity:nil
11/18   Does anyone know where the cache directories in Firefox under NT and XP
        are?  I can't find it in Help.
        \_ %USERPROFILE%\Application Data\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\<name>\Cache
        \_ If you want to change it, google.  I changed mine yesterday.
2004/11/18-19 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:34952 Activity:nil
11/18   What does the "safe mode" in Firefox do?  Thx.
        \_ I think it runs Firefox with all extensions disabled.
2004/11/17 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:34934 Activity:high
11/17   http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/11/16/life.hunting.reut/index.html
        one fine tech innovation from a Red State.
        \_ Counting the days until this is used to shoot a person, either
           by accident or intentionally...
        \_ The best line in this article is:
           "We were looking at a beautiful white-tail buck and my
           friend said 'If you just had a gun for that.'
           A little light bulb went off in my head," he said.
        \_ How long before this sort of thing is used in warfare?
          \_ not sure but I wouldn't mind serving the country via the internet.
             I'd love to shoot gooks with this.
2004/11/11-12 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:34836 Activity:nil
11/11   "Microsoft says Firefox not a threat to IE" Hilarious.
        http://csua.org/u/9wy
        \_ firewhat?.. Clint Eastwood movie?
        \_ why is this funny? History has proven over and over again
           that M$ copies its competitors, then takes over the market
           either via improvements, or via superior marketting, or
           via its superior clout.
           \_ Did you read the article?  The article is funny, the
              headline isn't.
           \_ It's via breaking the antitrust law.
              \_ And copywright laws.
                \_ and getting away with it.
                        \_ and thennn?
                         \_ step 3, PROFIT!!!
2004/11/11-12 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:34835 Activity:nil
11/11   NOW THEY GOT ADZ WHICH MOVE AROUND UR SKREEN SO U GOT A
        HARDUR TIME CLOS1NG THE ADS,
        \_ Philbiff!
        \_ "now" implies they didn't before. Use Mozilla/FF and disallow
           scripts to move windows.
2004/11/10-11 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:34813 Activity:kinda low
11/10   Now that FF 1.0 is out, has anybody gone back and compared, say,
        startup times to older versions (maybe even Phoenix)?  Is FF still
        a great deal faster than mozilla?  I remember using phoenix and
        thinking that it was maybe 2x faster for startup, as compared to
        mozilla.
        \_ I don't know about Mozilla, but startup time for FF 1.0 on OSX
           is almost exactly the same as Safari.
        \_ I use it on a G3 Macintosh and it seems a lot faster than Mozilla.
        \_ It's faster than mozilla, about the same speed or slightly faster
           than IE on Windows, depending on how many extensions you run.
           \_ I disagree with "faster than IE". I see various situations
              where IE works faster. Regular browsing and also some CGI
              script stuff we have at work. I still prefer its features
              although I never tried one of those IE wrapper/extension
              things.
              \_ I disagree with your disagreement. FF is slightly faster
                 than IE for loading up certain pages, especially if you
                 have stuff like ad filters in place. As for CGI stuff,
                 I have no idea what type of CGI you're doing, so this is
                 not a very good comparison. If you have a lot of ActiveX
                 crap running on your webpage then IE might be faster, but
                 then who wants a page full of ActiveX.
                 \_ There are ad filtering shiznits for IE based stuff too.
                    Actually what I was thinking of wasn't CGI. Just a large
                    (1.3MB) page of HTML that loads up faster in IE and feels
                    snappier. It seems to have improved a bit in 1.0 though.
                 \_ I disagree with your disagreement of his disagreement.
                 \_ http://www.cs.cf.ac.uk/Dave/C/CE.html is one page
                    that IE is faster with.  It's a fairly slow link, but
                    IE shows more of the page earlier... it's pretty
                    terrible HTML though, so not much of a test.  Didn't
                    even put his hrefs in quotes.
              \_ Tabbed-browsing is super-fast!  IE does not have tabbed
                 browsing unless you install something non-standard on top.
                 On a mano-a-mano rendering test for an already open browser
                 window, I would accept that some pages render faster in IE
                 than FireFox.
2004/11/10-11 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:34802 Activity:low 54%like:35422
11/10   Which is better: Firefox 1.0 or the browser part in NS 7.2?  Thanks.
        \_ Just to dredge up old shit, how did Netscape Corp. ever make money?
           I remember that you could buy their browser in a box for $50, but
           you could also download it for free.  So where's the business model?
           \_ portal?
              \_ But that didn't happen until after they lost the browser war
                 and got bought out by AOL.
           \_ As I recall, the brower was origianally written as a PR
              thing for their networking business.  When they lost the
              browser war, they just went back to what they were doing
              before.
           \_ They made it selling their server software, duh.
        \_ No comparison. FF >> NS.
        \_ Having used FF and Mozilla a bit I don't see any major advantages
           to FF.  However, I'd say Mozilla > FF >> Netscape
           \_ do you use tabbed browsing a lot?  I do. -FireFox h0z3r
              \_ Yes.  Moz does tabbed browsing just fine, and even has a
                 new tab' button on the tab bar opposite the 'close tab' button
           \_ Supposedly FF takes fewer CPU cycles and less memory than Mozilla
              and NS, both of which are loaded with bloatware.  Is that not
              what you see?
              \_ I definitely appreciate that Mozilla and FF don't have the
                 annoying 'branding' that NS does, but I don't see any
                 signifigant CPU or RAM savings with FF over Mozilla.
                 Mozilla has the advantage of greater stability then FF.
2004/11/9 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:34776 Activity:high
11/9    Firefox 1.0 in /csua/tmp
        \_ I really hope you are not running graphical web browsers from soda.
           \_ It's a .exe file.  Can't be for soda.
         \_ do you have any idea how slow http://mozilla.org is today?
         \_ When Soda is a dual Xeon we will all have graphical
            webbrowsers!
            \_ Actually, hey... why don't they include a jpg->ASCII
               conversion library in lynx?  That would be awesome.
        \_ Anyone know how do I set cache directory in firefox? It can
           be done for Mozilla. I don't see an option in Firefox...
           \_ have you tried googling for
                set cache directory in firefox
              ? the answer seems to be in the first link.
        \_ I'm running 0.9.3 and I've set it to periodically check for updates.
           So far I haven't seen any notification.  How often does it check for
           updates?
           \_ Do a force-check: options->advanced->software updates->check now
              \_ Yeah I can do that, but I was just wondering if the periodic
                 check feature is broken.
        \_ I'm a current-version Mozilla user.  What would I gain/lose by
           switching to firefox?  How much lighter in CPU/memory is it?  I
           find I typically use ~80MB having 10 or so tabs open.
        \_ Yeah, I can finally dump my NS 7.1.
        \_ Should I wait a month or two for all the major problems to pop up
           before I switch to it?
           \_ Nah, I have been using the beat for weeks with no problems.
              \_ I thought it was just released today.  Or is the 1.0 PR the
                 same as 1.0?
           \_ You should wait a couple days if you're using certain extensions
              like adblock that haven't had new versions released for this.
        \_ Is there a version for Slolaris yet?
2004/11/6-7 [Industry/Startup, Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:34726 Activity:low
11/5    Is there somethink like WHOIS for phone numbers? I want to
        find out if a particular phone number is mobile or landline.
        Is there a way to determine what phone company has it?
        \_ http://www.anywho.com/rl.html
           You can at least tell if the number is a listed landline.
        \_ http://thedirectory.org/pref
           This is to tell whether the 3-digit prefix is a mobile or landline.
           If it's the latter, provides approx. location. For the former,
           it doesn't provide a specific phone company though.

[ bitch. ]
2004/11/6-7 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:34715 Activity:very high
11/5    A hefty bounty to the first person to bring me the mutilated, rotting
        carcass of the idiot who comes up with or creates those stupid
        http://lowermybills.com ads to refinance your home with the buttons for all
        the states and the completely unrelated to anything refinancing
        background (snake, cellphone, palm tree, etc).  A not-as-hefty, but
        still substancial bounty to whomever brings me the mutilated body of
        the person who makes those stupid IQ-lowering ads pop up on 1 in 5
        page views.  AARRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHHH.
        \_ er, do we get a bounty for introducing you to the concept of
           blocking popups?
           \_ Sorry, by "pop-up", I mean "appear".  The google toolbar seems
              to solve my pop-up issues just fine.  I am complaining more of
              the stupid Flash ads that are a billion pixels high and animated
              and catch your eye as much as you try not to look at them.  Those
              bloody things make me want to strangle a freshman.
           \_ and blocking ads. try the "adblock" firefox plugin, works great.
           \_ As above, Firefox has a number of extensions that block this
              sort of thing. Adblock, Flashblock, etc.
2004/11/1 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:34498 Activity:nil
11/1    Is there a way to tell firefox to always display the location bar,
        even in popups?
        \_ Disable pop-ups.
2004/10/29 [Computer/Domains, Computer/Networking, Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:34430 Activity:nil
10/29   Arguing on the internet is like competing in the Special Olympics:
        Even if you win, you're still retarded.
        \_ Is that why you're so good at it?
           \_ MATT DAMON!
        \_ At least some of us know the difference between the internet and
           motd.
           \_ You're sitting in the lounge or something?
2004/10/26 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:34347 Activity:nil
10/26   is it possible/difficult to create a new toolbar button for firefox?
        I want the "up" button from the google toolbar back.
        \_ nevermind I found one.
           http://extensionroom.mozdev.org/more-info/goup
2004/10/24-25 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:34321 Activity:nil
10/24   Is there a way to block cookies in Firefox by cookie's name
        rather than the originating site?  For example, I want to block
        cookies named WEBTRENDS_ID cookies regardless which site it is
        from.  Thanks.
2004/10/21 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:34264 Activity:nil
10/21   Is there something wrong with sneakemail?  I keeping getting bad
        request error (speaking plain http to SSL) while trying to sign up
        in secure mode with Safari, Mozilla, and lynx.
2004/10/19 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:34215 Activity:high
10/19   Once FireFox and Thunderbird are released, will the Mozilla
        Suite be phased out?
        \_ Yes, read the FAQ. Mozilla 2.x will be FireFox/Thunderbird.
        \_ Why would they be?
            \_ because the suite would seem redundant.
            \_ Maintaining two parallel codepaths is a nightmare.
            \_ What if you use ChatZilla or Composer?
                \_ Might they become stand-alone tools?
        \_ When will they be release?  I've been using FireFox 0.9.3 for a long
        \_ When will they be released? I've been using FireFox 0.9.3 for a long
           while.
           \_ firefox 1.0 comes out Nov 9. 1.0PR has a lot of features not
              found in .9. two that i liked are better popup blocking control
              and better "search in page" functionality.
              Around 11/9/04, there should be a 1 page NYT fullpage ad.
2004/10/11-12 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:34032 Activity:nil
10/11   Is there anything like MAB (the Mozilla Amazon Browser) for, say,
        job sites, or financial information?
2004/10/7-8 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:33975 Activity:kinda low
10/7    Dozens dead, 100+ injured.  10 floors collapse, hotel on fire.
        http://www.hilton.com/en/hi/hotels/index.jhtml?ctyhocn=TBAHITW
        \_ What a shitty website. using opera, that page takes me
           to a "Web Standards" page explaining what software you
           need to view their stupid site. setting opera to
           "identify as Mozilla 5.0" the page works fine. I hate
           browser sniffing.
           \_ Well there are a few legit uses, such as detecting IE so you can
              know not to use leet CSS features, or detecting "not IE" so you
              can warn people if you have an ActiveX site.
                \_ this reminds me of the time when TWA crashed and
                   I yelled out "TWA crashed! TWA crashed!" and my
                   co-worker said "Oh my god... how many points did
                   it drop?"
        \_ Yeah, so?  Some animals killed some more Jews?  This is news?
           \_ No, it's Paris' bodyguards who did it.  Those Jews stumbled upon
              Paris' production crew for her next home video to be "leaked" to
              the public, so they have to be killed.
2004/10/5-6 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:33925 Activity:nil
10/5    Is there a way to _always_ get Mozilla to open a new tab/window
        for links you click on outside of an actual web browser window?
        I hate being in the middle of writing something in a form (webmail,
        whatever) and getting a mail or document with a link in it, clicking
        on it, and having the page replace the one I was on before.  This
        is under XP.
        \_ tabbrowser extensions plug-in lets you specify what opens a new
           tab, I've found it very helpful.
        \_ If I click a link with the middle mouse button it opens in a new
           tab.  If you don't have a middle mouse button, I pity you.
           \_ i think you should re-read op's post.
              \_ Oh, sorry.  I'm not on a WinXP system now, but go to
                 about:config and see browser.tabs.opentabfor.*  Might work...
        \_ <DEAD>bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=172962<DEAD>
           which links to an earlier Mozilla bug... pending since 2001!
           Gotta love open source. You might be able to use an extension
           or some hack. Basically tab browsing looks like a big mess and
           requests for features seem to sit around forever with devs
           saying it's too hard. Whatever.
2004/9/30-10/1 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers, Computer/SW/RevisionControl] UID:33851 Activity:nil
9/30    82% of teenage boys wear cologne.  http://csua.org/u/9a2
        \_ 38.45% of all statistics are made up on the spot.
2004/9/10-12 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:33466 Activity:nil
9/10    Is there a way to get mozilla to wrap lines in .txt files?
        \_ u talking about in the browser? or email-client?
2004/9/2 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers, Recreation/Travel] UID:33294 Activity:very high
9/2     Hello guys I have a dilemma. I booked Holiday Inn on the internet
        and on the day that I checked in they gave me a smoking room. They
        didn't have anything else, but I couldn't take the room because of
        serious asthma (I ended up going to a nearby B&B place). After talking
        to the managers and the corporate HQ they still refused to give me
        a refund, I filed the complaint to BBB. BBB returned saying that
        they can't help us, and that I should try one of the four choices:
        -Small Claims Court Santa Clara County
        -State Contractors Board
        -Consumer Affairs State of California
        -District Attorney of Santa Clara County
        Which choice is the best? Thanks,
        \_ Go to small claims court. Let us know if you need help.
           The rest of you STFU, because you don't know squat about
           the statutes involved or basic Tort.
           \_ All bow down before the anonymous legal expert!
              \_ For the uninitiated: A) You don't know the real facts of
                 the case. B) You don't know what statutes apply to
                 the case, C) You don't know if the situation involved
                 actually violates the rule of law, D) You don't know
                 in what situations that rule of law should be upheld.
                 Ergo, you cannot make a summary judgement of whether
                 or not the OP should or should not receive due
                 compensation. Therefore, STFU. And yes, I am
                 qualified to comment on the subject...
        \_ if you KNOW you have problems with SMOKE, make sure you
           get a NON SMOKING ROOM explicity upon reservation
        \_ Why do you hate smokers?? They gave you 1 room, which you chose
           not to take.  Pay up, chump.
        \_ If you just 'requested' a non-smoking room, that's expressing a
           preference and it doesn't obligate them to give you one, just like
           asking for a window seat on an airplane doesn't entitle you to one.
           If you told them you require a NS room when you made the reservation
           or they promised one, you have a much better case.
                \_ ah, but the internet didn't even give me a choice!!!
                   \_ sure, blame it on the internet!!!
        \_ Tell corporate HQ to "Give me my money back or I'm going to file
           an ADA suit with one of the ADA ambulance chasers".
           \_ The thing is that while they are required to be accomodating,
              you have to give them reasonable notice of your disability by,
              say telling them you're asthmatic when you make the reservation.
              Cal provides ASL interpreters for lectures, but if a deaf student
              doesn't give them warning ahead of time, they're SOL.
        \_ hey, if they charged to your credit card.  Call your CC company to
           dispute it.  You can't be charged for services not rendered.
           \_ The reason they can charge you for a canceled reservation if
              because you could cause them to hold a room for you that could
              go to a customer who shows up and pays.  If there are lots of
              rooms available, a canceled reservation charge is not covering
              any actual damages.  If there are no other vacancies, as this
              sounds like, then be reserving and then canceling, you *did*
              cause damages in the form of a reserved but unused room.
           \_ credit company said it is my fault for breaking the 24 hour
              clause set by Holiday Inn.                        -op
              \_ just think of it as payment for a lesson learned, ok?
        \_ for most people, "smoking or not" is just a preference, not
           life-threatening choices.  It's too bad that it is for you, and you
           should be reponsible for getting message acrossed to those who
           handles your hotel room.
        \_ if you have some reason to need or want a non-smoking room or
           other preference, state it to to the hotel.  If the hotel can
           not or will not cater to your needs or wants, they the hotel
           needs to inform you of this in a timely fashion.  If you dont
           state this to the hotel, tough shit.  If the hotel tells you
           at the last minute that they can not fulfill your request, that's
           bad faith.
2004/8/30 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:33235 Activity:nil
8/30    http://browsehappy.com/why   Tell your friends, and family.
2004/8/28-29 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers, Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:33198 Activity:nil
8/28    Has anybody ever used /etc/libmap.conf (FreeBSD) to map .so deps
        to a newer/older revision number?  It looks like it avoids that
        nasty business of adding 30 new symlinks everytime you pkg_add
        firefox.
        http://www.freebsdchina.org/utils/phpMan.php/man/libmap.conf/5
2004/8/28-29 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:33197 Activity:high
8/28    2 Firefox 0.9 questions: where is the DOM inspector that was
        supposedly installed, and how do I kill a javascript that keeps
        throwing up popups at me?
        \_ I didn't install dom inspector on firefox, but on mozilla,
           you can start it under tools > web development. Ctrl-Shift-i
           also works.
        \_ What platform? My firefox on FreeBSD has DOM Inspector
           right in the Tools menu.
        \_ Popup blocking is somewhere under the prefs menu
2004/8/20-21 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers, Computer/Companies/Google] UID:33046 Activity:very high
8/20    Anybody else troubled by Google's valuation and growth prospects?  I
        don't think their ad supported revenue model can grow much higher.
        When I first started using google I clicked on those links.  But after
        a few times of not finding what I wanted I stopped clicking on ad
        supported links.  Same deal with Yahoo.  I use yahoo finance everyday.
        I've mentally tuned out of the ad banners.  I barely see them anymore.
        I think when one becomes used to the web site and becomes a power user
        of the site, one only looks at the relevant information.  The only way
        an ad can get my attention is if it appears in the same page and
        blocks the text I'm reading.  Only using IE do I see those.  Google
        is the best search engine out there.  But if people aren't clicking
        on those ad links, they will lose advertisers.
        \_ I block ads using the AdBlock Firefox plugin which works pretty
           nicely to and often removes even the space where the ad would be.
           Ha ha! fuck you, Internet! Google's ads don't bother me but then
           I never click them either. Other people must though and re: the guy
           below intentionally googling for ads, well I don't buy that much
           stuff but it's a case where Google's ad model is the most useful
           to me versus any other web site. If I bought more stuff that is.
        \_ The quality of Google's searches has dropped dramatically in the
           last year similar to what we saw circa 1999 or so.  "Best search
           engine out there" doesn't mean what it used to.  Everything used
           to be a front page hit with a few key terms.  Now I can punch in
           6 or more very specific terms, double quote phrases, etc, and not
           find something until 10+ pages deep.
           \_ I agree, and it makes me sad.  What makes me even sadder is that
              this is inherent to how google works.  Google made an HTML link
              valuable.  The market does the rest. -- ilyas
           \_ YOUR FU IZ WEAK,  MINE 1Z STRONG!
        \_ I buy really hard to find expensive stuff fairly frequently, and
           I often use google specifically with the intention of clicking
           on their targeted ads.  I have no idea how much money that
           makes google, but I definitely find it useful.  It seems to me that
           this kind of advertising is very useful for companies that sell
           small numbers of really expensive stuff, like microfabrication
           equipment.
        \_ Part of the problem is that click-through remains the main standard
           for evaluating the effectiveness of Internet advertising.  With
           other forms of visual ads, such as billboards, advertisers can
           only assess the outcome of a campaign by its effect on sales.
           They don't expect "click-through" because there is no such thing.
           Internet advertising often works on the same subconcious level as
           a billboard or a television commercial, so why should be it held
           to this higher standard?  This doesn't necessarily apply to paid
           placement of text as it doesn't really penetrate subconciously
           the way a strong image can - I guess I'm thinking more of banner
           ads, which you refer to.
           \_ It isn't a case of "should be".  It is a case of "can be" so it
              is.  As an advertiser you would insist upon using an available
              and valuable metric like click throughs.
              \_ AdWords advertisers pay per click.  The clickthrough
                 is not the most important metric to them.
                 \_ If it is measurable, it should be measured.  As the paying
                    customer, the advertiser, why would you not want to see
                    the available metrics showing the effectiveness of your
                    ad on that site and pay by that?
              \_ Except that the "value" of advertising, at least in the case
                 of mass market brands, is the subconsious impact of the
                 advertising image itself.  Why do you think SuperBowl ads
                 are so expensive?  Millions of eyes thinking they're ignoring
                 that Coca-Cola logo in front of them.  Your point is more valid
                 in the case of niche markets.
                 advertising image itself.  Why do you think SuperBowl ads are
                 so expensive?  Millions of eyes thinking they're ignoring
                 that Coca-Cola logo in front of them.  Your point is more
                 valid in the case of niche markets.
                 \_ If they could measure it, you know they would and there
                    would be contracted financial terms based in part on those
                    measurements.  Since they don't have hard numbers, they
                    spend a lot of money on market research to determine how
                    effective an ad campaign was.  They don't just spend
                    millions of dollars on an ad and hope for the best.
        \_ Gmail + Google Search == The most powerful market research firm
           ever. They intend to make money by predicting where you will go
           next (past performance is a good indicator of future direction)
           and selling that information.
           \_ As if you knew.
2004/8/20 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:33035 Activity:nil
8/20    Anyone know whether there is a way to get the taskbar icon that
        Mozilla under Windows can use to store a session cookie for
        authentication to websites (as opposed to keeping a minimized
        Mozilla window around, or having Mozilla store paswords)  -John
2004/8/18-19 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:32994 Activity:high
8/18    Firefox question.  The form "submit" button doesn't always work on
        firefox since version 0.8 on Windows platform.  Same version on
        solaris seems to works fine.  Anyone experience the same problem?
        How to resolve it?
        \_ Clint Eastwood's worst movie?
           \_ Clint did a lot of bad movies.  Firefox wasn't even close to
              the worst.  Anyway, as usual, read the book.  It was way better.
                \_ Well, there was that movie where he sings _paint your wagon_
                   or some such, but, besides that, you would have a hard time
                   coming up with a worse Clint movie than _firefox_.
        \_ Never had any such problems.  Did you clear out your profile when
           you upgraded?
2004/8/16-17 [Computer/Domains, Computer/Networking, Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:32945 Activity:very high
8/16    Thanks for deleting the one interesting thread, shithead.
        \_ ilyas making a fool of himself in public is interesting?
           \_ What's your problem?  He has his opinions, which you may not
              agree with, but he at least rationally backs them up, which is
              more than one can say for the motd nukers.  -John
           \_ Hey, at least you can find comfort in the fact that
              your tax dollars aren't paying for ilyas' education...
              oh, wait.  Damn!
              \_ They paid for a large part of yours if you went to Cal.  Can
                 I get my money back for your education?
        \_ Seriously, can anyone restore it?
           \_ Easily but no because it's old and done.
        \_ There are no interesting threads on the motd.  -- misha.
           \_ Ah, but can you construct a reduction such that any Internet
              discussion thread can be transformed into a thread on the motd,
              therefore proving that no Internet discussion is interesting?
              \_ No.  I've seen a few interesting Internet discussions.
                 None of them were anonymous, though.  -- misha.
                 \_ All of them were anonymous.  You have no idea who the hell
                    anyone is on the internet.
                    \_ that's ridiculous.
                       \_ "No one knows you're a dog on the internet".  So,
                          you have somehow solved one of the fundamental
                          problems of trust and security on the internet:
                          guaranteed correct identification of remote parties.
                          Will you start a business with me?  We can sell it
                          within 6 months and retire.  What is it you know
                          that the rest of the security industry doesn't?
2004/8/13 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:32885 Activity:nil
8/13    To people who use travelocity, how do you change password and sign out
        of your account?  I can't see it when using safari or mozilla.  The
        link at their customer page that says change password lead to the home
        page.
2004/8/12 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:32856 Activity:high
8/12    What's the difference between Mozilla and Firefox?  Is Mozilla
        identical to Firefox plus chat plus e-mail plus other apps? -mgates
        \_ Just DOWNLOAD IT ALREADY.  Firefox is < 5 megs.  I'm sure you can
           swing that.  Find out what you like, and quit this inane chatter.
           It's a web browser, not a lifestyle choice.
        \_ http://texturizer.net/firefox/faq.html#q1.3
           \_ Thanks!  That's what I need.
        \_ Mozilla has more features. Firefox is still in beta, it is a
           different browser written from the ground up. I use Mozilla
           because it has features that FireFox don't have. Eventually
           Firefox will catchup to Mozilla in terms of feature, then I'll
           switch. I do use IE for windows update.
           \_ It is not written from the ground up. Firefox shares a hell
              of a lot of code with Mozilla. The main difference is the
              front end.
2004/8/12 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:32853 Activity:moderate
8/12    Nice.  I'll have to remember religious questions about browsers the nex
t
        time I'm trolling.
        \_ And so at last the beast fell and the unbelievers rejoiced. But all
           was not lost, for from the ash rose a great bird. The bird gazed
           down upon the unbelievers and cast fire and thunder upon them. For
           the beast had been reborn with its strength renewed, and the
           followers of Mammon cowered in horror.
           - from The Book of Mozilla, 7:15
        \_ At least nobody is defending IE.
           \_ IE!  IE is the standard!
              \_ For crashes, bugs, and popups.  I love MS.
2004/8/12 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:32849 Activity:insanely high
8/12    Why is "tabbed browsing" in Mozilla a good feature.  I've always been
        able to open new windows in NS or IE by Ctrl-N or right-clicking and
        choose "Open in new window".
        \_ All your sites stay in the same window.  Try opening 20 windows
           in IE and then 20 tabs in mozilla.  I don't understand why you
           would even use NS when it is just the mozilla code with extra bad
           and useless advertising crap and minus some of mozilla's better
           features.  Try it, you'll like it.
           \_ Ads come from web pages, not a browser, right?
              \_ Mozilla doesn't have a "SHOP" button, right next to the
                 "STOP" button, unlike IE, so no, wrong in this context.
           \_ Also, it's a lot faster to open 20 tabs than 20 windows. And
              you can have the tabs loading in the background, whereas
              new windows will steal focus from your old one.
           \_ I'm using NS 7.1 because it's been out there for a long time
              (1yr?) and I thought that means it's more stable and fewer
              security holes.  Whereas Mozilla keeps on having new releases, so
              it seems less stable.
              \_ You are sadly misguided. Netscape is basically just a
                 snapshot of Mozilla at one moment in time, and from that
                 they put in some "value-added" crap. So you could just get
                 the release of Mozilla that your Netscape is derived from.
                 Look on the about page for the build date.
                 \_ Geez.  I'm ditching NS now!  Thx.
        \_ it's a preference thing. for me, it's cleaner to have all my pages
           in one window. wanna minimize everything? you just have to minimize
           one window. not everyone needs the feature though.
        \_ I use both tabs and multiple windows; each window contains several
           tabs with related pages.  It's a lot easier to manage than the
           10+ windows I'd have open otherwise.  -tom
           \_ Yes, tabbed browsing is used most by non-degreed government
              employees, followed closely by time spent on the wall, time
              spent on the motd, then lunch, then smoke break, and somewhere
              below clock watching, work.
              \_ get a life.
                 \_ ouch!  that was stinging! what a zinger!
        \_ It's even better in Opera IMO.  Mostly because if you close Opera
           (or even if it crashes) when you start again all your pages are
           still there.
           \_ Opera: $$$.  Mozilla: no $$$.
           \_ Is there a FireFox extension that emulates this?
              \_ crash recovery - http://recall.mozdev.org. I believe there's also
                 one that autosaves/remembers on start, but I haven't used it
                 -dwc
                 \_ Call me when it's no longer an extension.
                    \_ As if it matters.  Why do you care?  You want a giant
                       monolithic piece of crap with everything complied in?
                       Microsoft has the perfect browser for you!
                       \_ No, I'm not looking for emacs.  Opera for Win32 is a
                          whopping 3.4 MB download.  I hardly call that
                          monolithic.
                          \_ And it doesn't have the same feature set as
                             Mozilla.
           \_ Also, an irritation of Mozilla is that when you close a tab, you
              get dumped into the rightmost tab.  Opera allows you to cycle
              through MRU order.  Oh, and you can move tabs around easily.  And
              if you have multiple frames, it's easy to move tabs from one
              frame to another.
                \_ I like the right tab focus.  I just read tabs right to left
                   and open them in reverse order of interest.
                \_ there are a couple nice extensions that allow you to do
                   things like this in mozilla/firefox as well...
                   \_ Call me when they're no longer extensions.
                      \_ Um... the whole POINT is that they're extensions, and
                         will never be integrated.  Make the core product fast,
                         and let users add the additions that they want...
                         \_ Great.  Will I have to download a plugin to use the
                            cursor keys to navigate a page up and down?  Sorry,
                            if you have tabbed browsing, you need some ability
                            to use those tabs effectively.  Opera is
                            light-years ahead of Mozilla on this.
                            \_ Call me when Opera costs the same as Mozilla.
                            \_ I navigate with the cursor keys all the time.
                               \_ Why is that not a plugin?!  Those Moz
                                  hypocrites--integrating that as a feature
                                  instead of leaving it as a plugin.
                                  \_ Why is free-as-in-beer not a feature of
                                     Opera?  Why do they have to plug-in to my
                                     wallet to get a slightly different version
                                     of tabbed browsing?
                                     \_ I have no problem paying for superior
                                        software.  If you're happy with
                                        inferior-but-free-as-in-beer tools,
                                        more power to you.
                                        \_ Superior?  Opera is going to make
                                           my life better than Mozilla enough
                                           to pay for it?  Which stock market
                                           did you get your money in?
        \_ Tab browsing makes it easier to follow threads in mailing lists.
           You know that each of the tabs following the current on are
           replies in the thread you are reading.
        \_ I used to be annoyed by tabs; I liked Ctrl-N a lot.  Now I love
           tabs and I use Ctrl-T and middle-click all the time.  Mainly a new
           window opening up is just slower, and the saved start bar real
           estate is great.
           \_ Seconded.  Tabs wierded me out for quite a while, but they really
           \_ Seconded.  Tabs weirded me out for quite a while, but they really
              are quite convenient, for reasons of window managability, screen
              real estate, nd background loading.  On the rare occasions I want
              to compare 2 pages side-by-side, there's still Ctrl-N.
              to compare 2 pages side-by-side, there's still Ctrl-N. [spelld]
           \_ Is there a way to configure Mozilla to always open links in
              a new tab when you click (accidentailly) on a link that would
              otherwise open a new window?? I don't always want to hold down
              ctrl key when I am pressing the mouse button...
              \_ Middle mouse button.  It's in the preferences.
                 \_ Middle button always opens a new tab. I want to
                    open a new tab only if the link would open a new
                    window. Kind of override new window with new tab
                    feature.
                    \_ check out the tabbrowser extensions
                    \_ check about:config, browser.tabs.opentabfor.windowopen
2004/8/4 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:32677 Activity:moderate
8/4     Other mozilla question, please:  I'd like to set up mozilla so that
        when I find myself on a korean or japanese webpage it shows the proper
        characters, instead of '????????'.  I'd still like to have everything
        default to english.  How do I go about doing this? (Mozilla 1.7.x)
        \_ 1. install proper fonts. 2. manually changes encoding via "view"
           menu.
        \_ If running XP, make sure Control Panel -> Regional setting ->
           Languages, select "install files for east asian languages"..
2004/8/4 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:32676 Activity:high
8/4     Mozilla 1.7.2 and Firefox 0.9.3 are out (fixes several
        security vulnerabilites):
        Release notes: http://www.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla1.7.2
        Download Mozilla: http://www.mozilla.org/products/mozilla1.x
        Download Firefox: http://csua.org/u/8g9
        \_ On Windoze, is it more memory hungry than NS7.1?  Thx.
        \_ On Windoze, are they more memory hungry than NS7.1?  Thx.
           \_ Firefox?  Definitely not.  Dunno about communicator.
           \_ I can't imagine what would make Netscape use *less* memory than
              Mozilla.  As far as I can tell, it's Mozilla with extra junk
              added.
              \_ What junk in NS7.1 doesn't exist in Mozilla?  I've never used
                 any version of Mozilla yet.
                 \_ NS7.1 is mozilla with AOL ads and a couple odd toolbars.
                    Basically, check out firefox, you'll probably like it.
              \_ use firefox. it is The Way.
2004/8/2 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:32624 Activity:high
8/3     New Mozilla/Firefox vulnerability (no patch yet):
        http://secunia.com/advisories/12188
        \_ Proof of concept: http://www.nd.edu/~jsmith30/xul/test/spoof.html
2004/7/27-28 [Computer/SW/Languages/C_Cplusplus, Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:32514 Activity:nil
7/27    Does the Mozilla mail client have any kind of macro language?
        Currently I use emacs for mail since I really like being able
        to customize it and write macros.  Thanks.
        \_ Yeah, combining macros with email is great.
        \_ OUTLOOK IS THE STANDARD!  USE VIRUS!
2004/7/27-28 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:32512 Activity:very high
7/27    Does anyone know a magical mozilla/firefox incantation to disable all
        background noise/music in webpages?
        \_ stop button
           \_ That's no help as the file doesn't play until it has already
              loaded.  By the time I know I want quiet it's too late.
        \_ I browse with the computer muted to prevent this. There may be a
           less kludgey method but I was pretty glad when I accidentally ended
           up on the "the boss is a cunt" page.
        \_ When is 1.0 coming out? The webpage says "July 2004".
           \_ July 2004.
        \_ use AdBlock extension block a specific file type?
           \_ Would that hose me if I intentionally try to download say a MIDI?
2004/7/24 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:32463 Activity:high
7/24    Maybe a dumb question: how do you turn off sound effects in Firefox?
        It likes to make these annoying boops when the "find as you type"
        fails.
        \_ eh nm, found it under about:config/accessibility.
2004/7/15-16 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:32310 Activity:high
7/15    Is there a way to configure Mozilla to always open links in
        a tab instead of a new window, unless I explicitly open it in
        a new window?
        \_ Are you talking external links?  Like from Yahoo IM or something?
           If links within mozilla, you can set it to use a new tab with
           middle-click --scotsman
        \_ firefox has an extension called all-in-one-window or something like
           that.
           \_ Firefox's Tabbrowser Extensions does it too.
        \_ Under Edit-Preferences there's a 'tabbed browsing' thing. -John
        \_ I think you meant something else.  You need to edit MIME type
           and put an arguement after firefox.  I'll post it on motd
           on Sunday night.
        \_ What I meant is, if the web page has a link that will normally open
           a new window, have it open in a new tab in mozilla instead. I already
           enabled tabbed browsing, and I know I can do the same if I hold the
           ctrl key. What I want to know is if there's an automated way to do it
           without me having to press a key. myie2 does it.
           \_ Middle mouse button. --scotsman
2004/7/14-15 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers, Computer/SW/OS] UID:32269 Activity:high
7/12    Can anyone give me a good reason why I should update to FF 0.9.X from
        0.8? -- ulysses
        \_ dont
        \_ I think that 0.9.{1,2} has a fix for the frame insertion attack.
        \_ I was the guy complaining about it earlier, and I have no real
           problems with it.  The one thing is that if you turn off the
           "allow web sites to install software" option, you won't get any
           indication about a failed extension install.
        \_ if you are on windoze, then, i can tell you that for some site,
           the html form element "submit" no longer works with 0.9x.  That is
           the only "down" side I found upgrading to 0.9.  Other than that,
           there isn't much differences really, including the fact that
           since 0.7, the "download" screen will crash my firefox, and I
           haven't figure out why yet.
        \_ Note also that you probably should nuke your old install directory
           for the .9 upgrade.  I believe they changed things around to
           something semi-stable so the 1.0 upgrade goes well.
2004/7/13 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:32253 Activity:very high
7/12    Are there browsers out there that can change the size of fixed size
        fonts?                                          -annoyed guy
        \_ firefox + webdev extension
        \_ mozilla (control-equals and control-minus)
        \_ you can also set the minimum font size.  Try that.
        \_ Opera's zoom scales the whole page, including images, etc.
2004/7/13-14 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:32251 Activity:very high
7/12    In the news...
        "Continuing security problems have eroded Internet Explorer's
        popularity; the market share for Explorer has dropped by more than a
        percentage point from 95.48 percent to 94.42 percent..."
        Gee that's gotta hurt! Poor MS.
        \_ Although if you read a report that said non IE browsers have gained
           20 percent marketshare you'd be pretty impressed.
        \_ While it's a tiny change in IE market share it does represent rather
           strong growth in Moz and Firefox.  You can't expect them to go from
           3 to 30% in one quarter, can you?
           \_ Didn't IE grow enormously fast in the early days?  I remember
              back in the days of Netscape 2,  IE was comparatively fast
              and stable and people downloaded it in droves.
              \_ IE3 sucked so much ass. I thought IE4>NS4, but it was debatable.
              \_ I don't remember that at all. During the days of NS2 I think
                 IE was still basically just an extension of Word (Yes, folks
                 IE started out as an embedded HTML renderer in MS Word). I don't
                 think IE became really popular until Win98 when it was bundled
                 (read shackled) into the OS.
             \_ Back in the days of NS 2, IE wasn't on the horizon at all.
                Most users seemed to use IE only for the purpose of downloading
                Netscape.  I considered NS3 to be the best web browser at the
                time but once NS4 and IE4 came out, it became clear that IE is
                better option (on Windows at least, we Unix users were mostly
                stuck with NS4 until Mozilla 0.9.x came out)
             \_ When NS4 and IE4 were both new, they were roughly the same in
                terms of usability, speed, etc.  IE5 came out and NS didn't
                do jack shit and the people voted for the better product.
           \_ I use NS 7.1.  Is it considered a Mozilla browser?
              \_ It is based on a not so recent version of Mozilla, so yes,
                 but you should really switch to Mozilla 1.7.1
                 \_ Possibly off topic, but why is the OSX version of Mozilla
                    so painfully slow?
                    \_ OSX is bloated.
                       \_ Hater. It's also wicked fast on my 15" PB
                    \_ Mozilla is slow on any platform. Try FireFox.
                 \_ Is Mozilla 1.7.1 a stable version?  Also, I found that
                    NS 7.1 on NT is much more memory hungry than NS 4.8.  Is
                    Mozilla 1.7.1 even more memory hungry than NS 7.1?  Thx.
        \_ you guys have forgotten that IE only became popular when it starts
           to be bundled with Windows 95.  Same for MSN Messanger, only start
           to gain market share significantly when it is bundled with XP.
2004/7/13 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers, Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:32244 Activity:high
7/12    I just upgraded to Firefox .9 on FreeBSD 4 using a binary package,
        but it's got a ton of library dependencies on slightly older .so
        files.  Is there any way I can tell the linker to just "try your
        best" and update the links to whatever's available?  The only
        thing that's ever worked in this case is installing from ports or
        while (sane) ln -s libFoo-1.8.so.200 libFoo-1.8.so.201
        \_ Dunno about "best try", but you could always do a make world
           and portupgrade -a (assuming you installed that from ports.) -John
2004/7/9-11 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:32192 Activity:moderate
7/8     Oops--massive Mozilla/Firefox flaw:
        http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1621463,00.asp
        Guess that's one reason NOT to migrate to Mozilla.
        \_ and another reason not to use windows
        \_ Does this affect Netscape 6.x/7.x, as it seems they are Mozilla?
           If so, does one just apply the patch extension to Netscape 6.x/7.x,
           or can/should one download an entirely new version, like
           Firefox 0.9.2?
           \_ op here, URL http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=250180
           \_ (replying to myself)
              http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=250180
              says the bug affects "Trunk".  Netscape 7.x is branched from
              Mozilla 1.4 ... so this would imply it has the problem, unless
              the Netscape people fixed it themselves a long time ago.
              \_ (replying to myself)
                 I got over my laziness and downloaded a 7.1 just now.
                 It has the same bug.  I applied the official xpi patch
                 ("What Mozilla users should know ...") and it works.
        \_ Although technically this is a problem in Windoze, why doesn't
           Mozilla test against it, given it is SOOO obvious?  Think it as
           an malicious bug left by M$, shoulnd't Mozilla be more vigilant?
           \_ http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=163767
              From the above link it looks like the suggestion to secure this
              hole was made in 2002, but they got into a long discussion and
              after the shell: vulnerability was published a couple days ago,
              they finally did a small fix for that.
        \_ See?  This never would have happened in a safe source product like
           IE.
           \_ ob The big hole from last week wasn't fully patched, and MS
              still officially recommends you turn off JavaScript while it's
              being fixed.
              \_ That's an entirely different issue and it's only been a
                 week.  The mozilla problem has been public for 2 years and
                 they decided to ignore it until people outside their nice
                 warm little cocoon complained about it.  Kinda screws up
                 that whole theory about more eyes = better code when the
                 hands don't do a thing to fix what the eyes saw.  This is
                 just pure laziness and a huge problem with the "scratch
                 an itch" concept.  I guess no one had an itch for the last
                 2 years to fix a known hole big enough to throw an
                 elephant herd through.
2004/7/3-5 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:31154 Activity:moderate
7/3     Frame Injection Vulnerability:
        http://secunia.com/advisories/11978
        NOTE: Not just windows. Linux, MacOS X and others are
        affected. Only Firefox 0.9 (including rc1) and Mozilla
        1.7 are not vulnerable. yaGoodReasonToSwitchToFireFox.
        \_ Good reasons to switch to mozilla 1.7.  FF is still beta.
2004/6/30-7/1 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers, Computer/SW/SpamAssassin] UID:31094 Activity:nil
6/30    Gmail Q:   I already got my first peice of uncaught spam.
        I'm not 100% sure from the subject, though, so I want to open it.
        I don't want to read any images from their server (obvi) and I don't
        see a config setting for that.  Is there one that I have just missed?
        \_ gmail doesn't seem to show me images by default anyways.
        \_ You can't use lynx or elinks?
2004/6/30 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:31077 Activity:insanely high
6/30    Does anyone else occasionally have extreme slowdown/crashes when
        they load a PDF in FireFox? I've had this problem on several machines
        w/ versions 0.7, .8 and .9.
        \_ i've been getting crashes in both firefox and ie. must be adobe.
        \_ Reader 4 > Reader 5 >> Reader 6
           \_ until you get a file that only R6 can read.
        \_ I just make it launch reader/preview/gv instead of loading the
           plugin; much more reliable.
2004/6/30 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers, Computer/SW/Languages/Misc] UID:31075 Activity:insanely high
6/30    US Govt. recommends: Use a different web browser.
        http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/713878
        \_ That's why I use IE for work but Netscape to surf other stuff.
2004/6/29-30 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:31073 Activity:kinda low
6/69    Where would one find a good tutorial on writing a mozilla app or
        firefox extension?
        \_ Isn't the firefox extension api still in a state of flux?  Is
           that something you want to write for?  It would be like being a
           programmer who writes to win32.
           \_ How is it at all analogous to coding to Win32?  Win32 doesn't
              change that much, and you're pretty much guaranteed
              forward-compatibility.
           \_ I'm willing to deal with changes if it's powerful.
2004/6/29-30 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers, Computer/SW/OS/Windows] UID:31066 Activity:moderate
6/29    New trojan that steals passwd for banks:
        http://tinyurl.com/29krl
        \_ Infection is via .chm vulnerability, which is patched using
           Windows Update (available since April?), unlike the other thing
           from last week, which from last news reports was "defanged" by
           closing a specific Russian URL but the underlying vulnerability
           remains unpatched. (heck, I could write one serving from soda,
           given the existing code sample I have)
           \_ U K@n 0wn b0x-n?!  UR2 K3\/\/L!@!@!11
        \_ Does that affect Netscape on Windows as well?
2004/6/29 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers, Computer/SW/OS/Windows] UID:31063 Activity:insanely high
6/29    If you have a girlfriend who does not know much about computers (I mean
        basic things like what is a cockie, cache file, how to customize
        IE and window etc.), do you teach her yourself or direct her to
        some classes in community college or books?
        \_ I'll teach her about cockie anytime.
        \_ You tell her about the new trojans out for IE and install firefox.
        \_ How much does she really want to learn?  If she really does want to
           learn stuff how good are you are teaching her without being
           patronizing or impatient? -aspo
        \_ If she wants to get a job with that knowledge, go to community
           college.  Otherwise I'd teach her myself.
        \_ If there's something she wants to do, teach her.  If she doesn't
           care about doing task X, don't bother to force it on her.  My GF
           still uses IE.  I grimace and say nothing.
        \_ I am very good at teaching, and very patient.  Is your girl hot?
        \_ I am very good at teaching, and very patient.  Is your GF hot?
2004/6/25-26 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:31012 Activity:kinda low
6/25    Wow, that's neat.  Firefox 0.9 doesn't load http://drudgereport.com.
        (gets stuck loading the ad)  Is that a bug or a feature?
        \_ worked for me then i hit reload now it doesnt work. ff.9
           actually, it loaded just took a while. ie took a while as well.
        \_ Do you have http pipelining enabled?  Does it not work at all,
           or just take a very long time?  Finally, are you blocking the ads?
           I'm trying to reduce a test case; I've seen this on http://cnn.com too.
           \_ I turned on pipelining via modifying prefs.js, and it still
              takes ~ 30 seconds to load either way.  IE loads drudgereport
              right away.  Apparently the banner ad is slow -- this stalls
              firefox, but IE renders the rest of the page anyway.  The
              firefox pop-up blocker option on/off does not affect this.
              \_ The ad server seems not to be up at all. It stalls both
                 mozilla and IE for me.
              \_ Actually, I was thinking that pipelining was causing the
                 problem (eg, by forcing the page rendering to wait for the
                 img data)... also, about:config >>> prefs.js
2004/6/16 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers, Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:30827 Activity:high
6/16    In Opera, when I go to the location bar to type in an address, it
        won't let me type in anything.  Please help.
        \_ When was the last time you restarted your computer?  Mac or PC,
           Opera/Mozilla/IE/Safari or whatever the common fix for browser
           weirdness seems to be a good old-fashoned restart.
           \_ didn't work.
              \_ Ok:  OS, platform?
        \_ Unistall, reinstall.
2004/6/15-16 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:30808 Activity:very high 50%like:30694
6/15    Firefox 0.9 is out:
        http://mozilla.org/products/firefox/releases/#download
        \_ What's the revision history of the project name?
           \_ Phoenix, Firebird, Firefox.
        \_ I've read a lot of bitching about the theme, but there really are
           some problems with this release.  The new extension website isn't
           even rendering correctly; I can't get flash or shockwave installed,
           and a couple extensions I have installed (UserAgentSwitcher and
           BugMeNot) are giving me XUL problems.
           BugMeNot) are giving me XUL problems.  Also, I can't install ANY
           other themes.
           Update: I was able to install a theme by downloading the theme to
                   my desktop and then dragging it onto the theme manager.
                   I also got flash installed after deleting my profile
                   & install directory and then reinstalling.
                \_ thanks.  I'll wait for next release :p
           \_ Bitching from people using a pre-1.0 release.  The notes made
              it really fucking clear that this is a) beta software, b) that
              they had changed the system so that a lot of pre 0.9 extensions
              and themes won't work until re-written, and c) this is pre-1.0
              beta software.  Instead of bitching and telling people not to
              use it how about you do something useful like submitting a few
              nicely worded bug reports?  When you walk on the bleeding edge
              you'll get burned.  If you don't like that, then Microsoft has
              an industry standard browser available for free download.
              \_ Please simmer- I've been using this since 0.4 and I'm no
                 stranger to odd upgrade issues.  What I meant was merely that
                 this upgrade has frustrated me more than I expected-- .7 & .8
                 were *perfect* upgrades, this one has not been.  I understand
                 that this version contains some major updates to the
                 extension and theme formats, and I wiped my install and
                 profile directories to accomodate.  Just a heads-up.
              \_ I think the poster above is reasonable and kind to point out
                 that .9 may be less stable/usable than .8.  I consider this
                 a public service announcement, not flame-bait.
                 \_ Everyone using .8 *should* up to .9 and file bug reports.
                    If you're not then why are you using beta software?
                    \_ Because I don't have a day to spare right now to hack
                       on my web browser if it hoses my system in some way...

        \_ After reading this post, I decided to be foolish and upgrade as well
        \_ I downgraded to 0.9rc1 due to all the problems with 0.9. I think
           that you might still be able to grab rc1 from the servers. If anyone
           needs it I can probably stick a copy of the macosx dmg in /tmp
           (temporarily).
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