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2022/06/25 [General] UID:1000 Activity:popular

2004/6/11 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers, Computer/SW/OS/Windows] UID:30742 Activity:nil
6/11    A moment of silence, please.
        \_ why is the death of a stupid dot-bomb interesting?
2004/6/9 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:30694 Activity:high 50%like:30808
6/9     Any of you guys try Firefox 0.9 RC1 yet? Stable enough to use?
        \_ Using .8.  It's ok.
2004/6/5-6 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:30626 Activity:moderate
6/5     Fire Fox browser question from new ff user: Mozilla has a 'stay in
        memory' fast load option.  I can't find it in FF.  Does it exist?
        \_ Nope.  One of the many things I like better about full Moz.  The
           argument (I believe) is the FF startup is fast enough so you don't
           need it...  But I like instant, not just faster.
           \_ Too bad FF has the stupid feature of paging everything out of
              memory if you leave it minimized for too long.  Ugh.
              \_ Talk to your OS vendor.
              \_ Moz on Windows does this too.  I've waited 45 seconds+ for
                 my window to become responsive again, particularly after
                 playing a movie or running some random java apps.  I really
                 need more memory.
2004/6/1 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:30520 Activity:nil
6/1     Mozilla firefox: Mozilla has the option to make animated gifs not
        animated.  I can't see the same option in Mozilla's Firefox.  Is it
        hidden somewhere?  I like using it except for that one thing.  The
        web is too animated.  Thanks!
        \_ Try the URL about:config and see if it has the setting there...
           \_ image.animation_mode -> none was what I was looking for.  Thanks!
2004/5/21 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:30344 Activity:nil
5/21    How do I configure Mozilla to use outlook when I click on an email
        address? It keeps insisting launching it's own mail program!!
        \_ it's clearly smarter than you are.
        \_ This is one of the big failings of Mozilla.  Use Firefox instead.
        \_ I looked this up a few months ago.  It wasn't worth the trouble.
           I got a new job instead.  Good luck!
2004/5/16 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers, Computer/Networking, Computer/Domains] UID:30247 Activity:high
5/16    SNL Last Night:  Why the hell didn't the Olsen twins do a sketch
        pointing out how creepy it is that 40-something guys make up their
        lead internet fan demographic?  Pure comedy gold, I tells ya!
        \_ see, this is why I don't watch that show anymore.  I have no
           idea who or what you're talking about.
        \_ their last words were "we're legal in 4 weeks".  i think
           that's creepy enough.
                \_ are you serious? I fell asleep before it ended,
                   and now I'm glad I am.
                        \_ yes
                    \_ I never watch SNL anymore, but now I (30 something)
                       am sad i missed it.  "legal in 4 weeks" rad.
           \_ I read a slightly more innocuous reading of that phase on
              the internet.  They seemed to think that they were
              referring to being legal to take over their company.
              \_ umm, yeah, sure.  I doubt their all that brilliant but
                 they sure in hell aren't that stupid/naive.  Someone in
                 their Org just decided it was better for them to hold on
                 to their innocence.  Plausible deniablity is enough.
        \_ the whole thing was just good bye Jimmy Fallon week.
           I watch that show decently often, and all I can bring myself
           to say is: "It's like they're not even trying."
           \_ Then maybe you can tell me why that stupid show is still on
              the air?
              \_ Is there anything remotely better to replace it Saturdays
                 @ 11:30pm?
                 \_ Umm.. I would hope so.  Although I suppose it does
                    fill in well for that "Loney Drunken Frat-boy on a
                    Saturday Night" demographic.
2004/5/7 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:30076 Activity:nil
5/6     Installed lynx with openssl and now I have the following msg:
        "unable to get local issuer certificate"
        What's going on?
2004/5/4-5 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:30011 Activity:high
5/4     Has anyone been able to use links (the browser) to view
        \_ Yes, what seems to be the problem?
           \_ I can't log in.  It's as if it's not accepting cookies-- I
              put in csuamotd/csuamotd, submit, and it takes me back to the
              same page.
        \_ Do you mean lynx?  I have no problem.
           \_ links != lynx:
2004/5/2-4 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd, Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:29949 Activity:insanely high
5/1     If the motd is nuked again, the following will restore it (it's a
        hidden feature):
lynx -dump ' > /etc/motd.p
        \_ kchang's archive only updates a few times a day, right?
                \_ 6 times during peak hours and twice at night. It's really
                   meant to be used as a search/engine for old entries
                   and doesn't have the quick, interactive feel of motd,v.
                   By the way entries from 1998-2003 are now posted, you can
                   check out all the stupid comments tom made
            \_ Why would I want to read tom's old stupid comments when I can
               get them fresh everyday right now?  It isn't like he's ever
               changed (grown up) or anything.
               \_ and you're the model of maturity.
                  \_ you didn't sign your name so you're stupid and your
                     opinion has no value.  --irony #1 Fan
        \_ ~tse/motd,v
           \_ Gary, I thought you had a life?!
              \_ No married man has a life.  You should know that.
                 \_ BDG, is that you?
2004/4/28-29 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:13445 Activity:insanely high
4/28  I was looking at the iCal spec and noticed that it was written by
      microsoft and Lotus. Do any MS products support iCal?
        \_ No.  Try to hook up Mozilla Calendar with Exchange, you will know
              \_ Microsoft's business model is based upon "embrace, extend,
                 elimate" open standards.  Rather they came up with the
                 standard or not is irrevelant.
           what I mean.
           \_ I'm sort of going for the reverse. I want to use Outlook to
              publish to a WebDav server bc Mozilla Calendar is functional,
              but not as polished as Outlook. Why do they publish a spec and
              then work in the exact opposite direction?
              \_ It's part of their Innovation 2000 Five Year Plan.
            \_ It's what the customer wants!
2004/4/28 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:13440 Activity:nil
4/28    Does Outlook have any integration w/ WebDav? I just setup a WebDav
        server and can share w/ iCal (Mac) or Mozilla Calendar, but Moz's
        Calendar isn't quite up to par.
2004/4/16 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:13228 Activity:nil
4/16    My lynx (non-soda machine) doesn't save cookies, whats up with that?
2022/06/25 [General] UID:1000 Activity:popular

2004/4/15-17 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:13224 Activity:nil
4/15    Are there any meta-installs for Firefox extensions?  There are so
        many available... I just want to click on one link and say, "gimme
        everything that this uber-web-dev guy has".
        \_ use the source, luke.  write it and tell us where you posted it.
        \_ what platform?
2004/4/13-14 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:13170 Activity:nil
4/13    A while back I asked how to get curl to download files protected by a
        login.  The files I was interested in were protected by cookies.  Turns
        out curl uses the same cookies format as Netscape (and Mozilla and
        Firefox).  So you can just use log into the website with Firefox and
        use the cookies.txt file as input to curl:
        curl -b cookies.txt "URL" > out
        \_ you can make one request using curl -c to save it to a file then use
           curl -b like how you have it.
2004/4/10-12 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:13126 Activity:nil
4/10    When I use font-size:medium, the font sizes are totally different in
        IE and Firefox/Moz/Safari/etc. For real websites, is it recommended
        to do something like font-size:11px ? Both allow for resizing.
        \_ If you want something that looks exactly the way you want it to,
           use PDF. If you want something that looks the way the reader
           wants it to, use HTML. Your reader can make that choice; you
           shouldn't. HTML specifies "what" not "how", despite the strong
           efforts of far too many web designers who tell it "how", sigh ...
           \_ PDF doesn't exactly work for interactive websites.
              \_ Exactly the point.  The "web designer" can not have absolute
                 control over the look of a site because html doesn't allow
                 for that.  That is in the hands of the browser.  There is no
                 way in hell a page in IE will look like the same in Mozilla
                 and in Opera and in lynks and Safari, etc.
                 and in Opera and in links and Safari, etc.
        \_ medium/large/small/etc. are measured relative to the browser's
           default font setting (which is configurable by the user, although
           the default may vary from browser to browser).  If you set it to
           something like 11 px, then you're making your text by default to
           be too small for people with high display resolutions or poor
           eyesight.  Every time they visit your page, they'll need to resize.
           \_ Yes but if I use relative font settings and set my fonts to an
              average size (which of course, looks too big to a 20something
              graphic designer), it'll look tiny in FireFox, etc. If I set it
              to 11pt, like most of the web, then people like my dad can still
              view the site as long as their browser's font size is "Larger"
              than default.
              \_ Your grandmother's font size will be whatever the default is
                 for her browser.  Stop being clever.
2004/4/9-11 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers, Computer/SW/OS/Windows] UID:13122 Activity:low
4/9     What browser do OS X users use? I use Safari but 3-4 of the sites I
        frequently visit have problems with it, so then I fall back to FireFox
        and as a last ditch effort, IE.
        \_ There's a way to enable the "Debug" menu in Safari. I forgot what
           it is but it's some XML preference. From there, you can switch
           your "User Agent".
           \_ Type the following in Terminal and restart Safari:
              defaults write IncludeDebugMenu 1
        \_ I use mozilla because, despite the fact that it's much slower, it is
           also a lot more feature rich than Safari.
        \_ I had to juggle among the 4.  BTW, Safari beta was quite fast but
           since 1.0 it has become intolerably slower.  Mozilla/FF, however,
           behave rather strangely at times and often refuse to download
           images on the web page.  I also notice at lease one place where
           the current version of Safari version of safari is less compatible
           than earlier one:
        \_ windows and IE have no problem on any web pages.  if you can't
           beat em, join em!  windows/IE >>> non-windows/non-IE.
           \_ not totally true.  Since the windows updates last fall, IE
              on W2K and XP acts strangely with backslashes in some tags.
              But, since most website design targets Windows IE users, this
              doesn't show up much.
              \_ Exactly.  IE is the most popular and thus the best and that's
                 why everything is tested and works on it.  I'll bet those
                 few broken things don't work on other browers either.
                 \_ One HUGE place where windows IE out of the box sucks
                    is that it doesn't block popups by default. Other features
                    include Auto-Form Fill and Tabbed Browsing. Also, Safari
                    lets me hit back on pages that I visited that contained
                    forms, where WindowsIE won't let me. --mac/windows user.
                    \_ why would you want to block popups?  it's called
                       targetted advertising.  if you didn't want those
                       products you wouldn't be on those websites.  popups
                       are good!  they pay for the web.  IE has autoform fill
                       and had it long before mozilla.  safari didn't even
                       exist when IE had autoform fill.  tabs are for babies.
                       just open another window.  what is the point of tabs
                       when you're just getting more pages that your browser
                       can't read anyway?  while tabbing, mozilla will often
                       freeze the curernt window so you're not really getting
                       the multi tab features tabbing should provide.  and
                       lastly i dont know what your BACK problem is.  i can go
                       forwards/backwards through my history with no problem.
                       IE won the browser wars for a reason: it is superior to
                       the third party alternatives due to innovation and
                       leading the pack, not following it.
        \_ I use IE, even though M$ dropped support for it.
           \_ There are also Opera for Mac and a browser from the OmniGroup.
              Anyone used them at all?
2004/4/6-7 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:13040 Activity:nil
4/6     Is there a way to make mozilla start in Gnome >=1.4.x when I click
        on a URL in gnome terminal?
        \_ Preferences, Preferred Applications
2004/4/1-3 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:12970 Activity:nil
4/1     I subscribe to an audio service that just started providing downloads
        for the audio.  I'd like to download several files (URL easily
        generated algorithmically), but I have to authenticate through a form.
        Anyone have an example of how to easily use curl to enter a form and
        save cookies so that it can download these files?
        \_ once: curl -c cookies.txt '<DEAD>.../?user=...&pass=<DEAD>
           many: curl -c cookies.txt -O http://path/to/file
        \_ Consider this your lucky day (you do use firefox, right?):
           You just set the extensions of the files you want to autodownload,
           then hit ctrl-shift-s (the latter bit is not mentioned prominently,
           so I'll repeat it: Ctrl-Shift-S).
2004/3/28-29 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:12893 Activity:low
3/27    C:\Documents and Settings\person>ping <DEAD><DEAD>

Pinging with 32 bytes of data:

Request timed out.
Reply from TTL expired in transit.

        I have problem connecting to this particular site, but when I tried
        lynx to this site from soda and another site, I don't have any
        problem. Why is that?
        \_ the answer is above; ttl expired. increase your ping ttl and see
           if that changes anything.
           \_ It would be nice if Windows had man pages.
           \_ Aah, if only windows had man pages.
2004/3/26-29 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:12883 Activity:nil
3/26    New traffic map - looks pretty cool...
        \_ Does this work like shit in mozilla for anyone else? Maybe it's just
           because I'm running the beta...
           \_ Works fine for me in Firefox.
              \_ yes, it works for me in firefox too, but i'm talking about
        \_ Works fine for me in Safari (this surprised me!)
2004/3/26-27 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:12872 Activity:nil
3/26    I recently installed FireFox for a couple of people in the office.
        Now they're using it so much that they want to remove IE. Is this
        possible with WinXP or does it break like a crapload of things?
        \_ I managed to get rid of IE somehow... I think I went
           into the portion that lets you remove parts of added on
           windows stuff, like MSN explorer and MSN messenger,
           it sucks because now I have to test the "Click back to previous"
           website functionality when someone goes to my company's
           website, which works just fine in Firebird, but apparently
           doesn't in IE, but now I have no way of testing, sucks
           to be me.
           \_ insert cd, add program.
        \_ Isn't the help system for office built on IE?
        \_ Why would you remove it? You still need it for certain things.
           Like e.g. Microsoft's update site. In any case you can just set
           Firefox to be the default. Using Microsoft's "Set Program Access
           and Defaults" you can also disable access to IE.
        \_ I use Mozilla on mac.  There are about 20% or web sites, esp.
           foreign ones, where it does not work well or at all.
           \_ Do you find that it is better than Safari? I use Safari,
              then FireFox, then IE. IE on Mac is slow. Mac needs a decent
              browser that is bug-for-bug compatible w/ IE.
              \_ IE has been EoLed for years on Mac, but there are still sites
                 that it can view but the other 4 (Safari, Mozilla, FF, Camino)
                 can't.  Safari was fast in its beta, but ever since 1.0, it
                 has become intolerably slow while being able to view more and
                 more pages.  I really don't understand what's the issue.
                 FF still needs work, and Mozilla still has certain trivial
                 interface oddities.  Mozilla is the only one I can configure
                 to warn me about sending unencrypted text.  All 5 browser
                 together cannot view some pages viewable by IE on PC.  I have
                 never used Opera and haven't touched Omni browser for ages.
                 An unsolved problem of using so many browsers is the bookmark.
        \_ I'm currently looking at ways to 'sandbox' or otherwise restrict
           IE as massively as possible.  Drop me a mail if interested.  -John
           \_ uh, run traffic through a proxy and drop anything with IE in the
              http headers?
              \_ Simple, pragmatic, doable, easy to get past management in
                 a large company.  I like the way you're thinking.  Try again,
                 young padawan.  -John
                 \_ It's no different that whatever wacky thing you're thinking
                    of.  The end result is the same, IE is blocked or otherwise
                    restricted as massively as possible.  How about you share
                    with all of us nobodies what your fantastic uber Jedi
                    solution is?
                    \_ I don't have one, and my goal is not to block IE
                       but reduce risks inherent from running such a piece
                       of shit (and no, I can't currently get around it) with
                       so much potential for fucking things up.  Disabling IE
                       period is pretty simple--restricting the damage it
                       can do through any number of existing and theoretical
                       vulnerabilities and still being able to use it for
                       things like MSUpdate/SUS is not.  Sorry for not
                       stating the complete problem initially.  -John
                       \_ Not to put a dent on your enthusiasm, I have
                          heard that if you installed the ActiveX plugin
                          for Mozilla/Firebird/Firefox, Mozilla will also
                          be prone to all sort of security issue.
                          Can you or anyone verify that?        kngharv
2004/3/25-26 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers, Industry/Startup] UID:12866 Activity:nil
3/25    Any Sodians heard of or used to work with this company called Arcsoft?
        I am interviewing a position there, wondering how you guys think of
        that company.  its headquarter is in Fremon, Ca.
        \_ looks like another
        \_ Who are these Sodians of which thou speak?  --sodan
2004/3/25 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:12851 Activity:nil
3/25    Hey, what do some websites pop up extra windows on your screen?  Is
        there any way to turn that off?  I'm using Win 98, IE 5.0
           \_ Seconded.  Firefox is pretty much the only game in town nowadays.
              \_ what? Mozilla can also block pop-ups, and FireFox is beta only
                 \_ I'm running the previous version of Firebird, and some
                    pop-ups have been getting though.  What's the dillyo?
        \_ you're kidding, right?  have you been living in a cave for the past
           five years?
           \_ No I was just trying to bait you guys.  Pretty pathetic response.  -op
2004/3/22-23 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:12797 Activity:moderate
3/22    Are there any advantages to Netscape over Mozilla -firefox user
        \_ none.
           \_ netscape has integrated AIM, if you like that kind of thing.
              \_ like I said: none.
        \_ If you have to ask...
        \_ Netscape is a discontinued product. -williamc
            \_ since when? netscape 7.1 makes reference to 10.2.x on their
                \_ since the netscape browser division was closed down
                   by aol, dude.
                \_ Netscape 7.1 is based on Mozilla 1.5 and it was the
                   -last- Netscape web browser. Since then, AOL has fired all
                   of Netscape developers (but provided some funding for
                   mozilla project). There will be no more Netscape web browser
                   releases in future. Please don't mention that name here
                   again.  Netscape is dead. It has been for a long time.
                   \_ Long live Mosaic!!!
           \_ "Last week, an AOL spokeswoman said there will be future
              versions of Netscape that are essentially repackaged upgrades
              of Mozilla."  ...that doesn't sound any deader than when they
              started... they're just not putting as much money into it.
        \_ Merc article today about browser alternatives to IE. Langberg pimps
           Opera over Mozilla:
2004/3/10-11 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:12592 Activity:nil
3/10    Someone here used to work for some company that let you install some
        broswer plugin that then let you read/write comments about the website
        you were on to other users who had this plugin.  Anyone know if that
        or something like it still exists?
        \_ I seem to recall, but they don't seem to be
           among us any longer.  -John
        \_ a friend of mine founded eQuill, which let you do just that. But
           he was never on soda. Perhaps I mentioned it once. But I dont
           think that software is around anymore--at least, I know he sold
           his company to M$... so perhaps you could expect some such
           similar plugin to be builtin to the next version of IE. dunno.
           Anyway, if you'd really like to get in touch with him for some
           reason, lemme know.                  - rory
        \_ is indeed one of the companies.  Died the death of
           no business plan after burning millions of VC funding.  M$ tried to
           use a similar technology after thirdvoice folded, but it eventually
           went nowhere either.  There was also an open-source project that
           would do something similar, but you had to view the web pages
           through their proxy (no need for a browser plugin). -ERic
           \_ we only burned like $5m or so.
        \_ That was thirdvoice.  3v has been dead for several years, the
           servers are long gone, "she's dead jim!".  There was a proxy-ish
           redirector service that annoted pages but all your traffic went
           through their server.  It was more like a student project than a
           real service.  I can't recall the name.  --ex-thirdvoice
           \_ did 3v ever have any revenues at all?
              \_ not that I'm aware of, no.
           \_ did you work with knchia?
              \_ if it's the guy I'm thinking of, yes, he was really cool.
        \_ what is thirdvoice again? Is it like slash dot?
           \_ annotate other people's websites.  later on it became a paid
              keyword search service.
2004/3/9-10 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:12584 Activity:nil
3/8     Another annoying Firefox/Mozilla question: I like the find-as-you-type
        feature, but is there a way to make it do "next match"? It seems pretty
        useless to just get the first one.
        \_ ctrl+g to find next, ctrl+shift+g to find the previous match.
        \_ F3 also works, but that was just a random guess of mine.
        \_ hit F3
        \_ Great question, I've been wonderin the same thing.
2004/3/8-10 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:12572 Activity:kinda low
3/8     anybody know how to get mozilla 1.6 to put the cursor at the
        top of the message when replying? Currently it puts the cursor
        below the "on Saturday, Jim Bob wrote > and the message"
        seems backwards.
        \_ Yes. Under Edit->Preferences or Mail & News preferences, find
           'Composition' and select 'start my reply below...'  -John
            \_ This version of Mozilla 1.6 (on Windows 2000) does not
                have that option!
        \_ anybody know how to configure mozilla 1.6 to NOT use its email
           when i click on a mail link??
        \_ what are you, one of those annoying "top posters"?
           \_ top posters rule!  ill bet you squeeze the toothpaste from the
              wrong end, too!
           \_ I used to be a bottom poster, except when I was replying to a
              reply from a top poser.  Then I switched job to a company where
              we use Outlook and everyone else is a top poster.  Now I'm
              converted.  I guess it's because Outlook defaults to top.
           \_ Yes! Put the new stuff at the beginning. you're not writing
              a novel, and I don't want to scrool down to the bottom to
              see your message.
2004/3/8 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers, Recreation/Media] UID:12570 Activity:nil 55%like:12590
3/8     Anyone have a video of the Chapelle Show skit "What if the internet
        was a real place?"
        \_ It's on the ComCentral website, but it's not detecting my RealPlaya

           \_ then try: rtsp://
2004/2/25-26 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:12405 Activity:nil
2/24    for the guy trying to check freely available email accounts
        from the command line, i suggest you use "links"
        instead of "lynx", i've gotten "links" to work with yahoo mail.
        \_ w3m
2004/2/25 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:12398 Activity:nil
2/24    What happened?  It used to be that if I typed in my browser
        if would load correctly.  Not it only keeps
        saying "Making HTTP connection to".  And after a long time
        it finally loads.  If I type in it loads fine.  This
        started recently and happens on multiple client IPs and with Mozilla
        and lynx.  Gah, it started working again.  Is it some DNS problem?
        \_ Sounds like it.  Check your /etc/resolv.conf.  Make sure the first
           server responds in a decent amount of time (or at all...). -scotsman
2004/2/24-25 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers, Computer/SW/Security] UID:12387 Activity:nil
2/23    Is there a web based free email compatible with lynx?
        \_ kinda curious why you'd want this... if you have access
           to a command line, can't you use a command-line mail
           program or log into a box that has one?
           \_ it's useful to have throw-away mailboxes.
              \_ throw away mailboxes don't have to be web-based...
                 that said, I use an extra netzero account for throw
                 away mail... it has POP3 mail.  Perhaps there's a
                 reason they want web-based?
              \_ why not use sneakemail for throw-away mailboxes?
           \_ It's nice to have an email acct. that is 1) fully functional
              with SSL login, 2) completely disposable and anonymous,
              3) can be accessed anywhere, whether from a comand line host or
              public library shared web machines.
              \_ sure, that's nice. it's also not profitable, which is why
                 you don't see that kind of thing. free email services
                 need to serve ads, which are predominantly graphical.
              \_ find a non-free service that satisfies 1 and 3, and then you
                 use sneakemail to satisify 2.
2004/2/23-24 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers, Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:12362 Activity:nil
2/23    Anyone else having problems with firefox .8 on FreeBSD 4.x?
        It runs fine, but I get tons of weird warnings, errors,
        and assertions being spit out in the xterm that started
2004/2/20-21 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers, Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:12337 Activity:nil
2/20    Does the mindterm ssh java client on csua home page work with
        Mozilla 1.6 (for OS X)?  After I typed in password nothing comes out.
        \_ your password was sent to Chirac in France.
2004/2/18 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:12292 Activity:nil
2/17    For those who even THINKING about upgrade your Mozilla Firebird
        to Mozilla Firefox, wait a bit. I've upgraded mine and it was a
        diseaster.  I am switching back to Firebird until they iron out
        the bugs in the download management.
2004/2/17-18 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers, Computer/SW/Security] UID:29813 Activity:nil
2/17    Anyone using  Is it absolutely free? (bandwidth,
        power, storage)  If you donate, how much do you donate?
2004/2/9-10 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:12181 Activity:high
2/9     Firebird becomes firefox - version 0.8 is out...
2004/2/7-8 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:12151 Activity:nil
2/7     I just installed FireBird for the first time today after Mozilla
        kept on crashing in an old, underpowered Linux machine. I've never
        seen a browser this amazing before. I mean, seriously, the first
        browser upgrade that really blew me away was Netscape 3.x. Firebird,
        while still in beta, recaptures that experience. I immediately
        started installing this thing on every machine that I use. This
        thing just blows IE out of the water.
        \_ tell us why it is so much better. Reliability? Feature? What else?
           Give us the specifics.
           \_ It's hard to explain why exactly it's better. I think it's just
              that Mozilla always felt very clunky and this basically just
              strips everything off of Mozilla which was clunky and just makes
              the whole epxerience a lot better. It feels a lot more
              responsive than Mozilla and the UI is really a lot more
              organized and a lot simpler. You can do everything that you
              did in Mozilla but in a smaller footprint. In terms of
              stability, it's not necessarily any more stable at this point
              than Mozilla, but it seems to load up quite a bit faster.
              I think it's also much closer to IE in the sense of just having
              a browser. There isn't all this clunky shit that comes with
              Mozilla like the email, the page layout tools, the chat, the
              IM, and all that other garbage. I guess it's like the smaller
              tool mentality of UNIX in general, and that makes it much
              better than trying to be an environment. It reminds me very
              much of older versions of Netscape before the bloat.
           \_ standards-compliant rendering, features, speed.
              \_ the first is identical to mozilla, the second is less than
                 \_ and the speed?
                    \_ the point is, a slightly faster browser with fewer
                       features and the same rendering engine as mozilla
                       shouldn't be considered "amazing".
                    \_ well, after you reduce features, it's a lot easier to
                       improve speed.  don't drink the lemonade.
                    \_ interface speed is much faster (menus, dialogs, window
                       opening, etc)  rendering speed is the same.  mozilla
                       w/ quickstart starts up faster (since it's already
                       loaded)  firebird works better on low-cpu, low-mem
                       boxen.  on high-end boxes, they feel pretty much
                       identical, and mozilla has more features  --dbushong
                       \_ even low cpu isn't that big a deal (on my celeron 500
                          with 1 gig of ram, they're both quite fine). the
                          real killer is if you don't have much ram and have
                          to start paging stuff out.
                          \_ Killer for which?  I've got <512mb of ram but
                             1Ghz processor. Which is better for me?
                             \_ umm, i think i made it quite clear that ram
                                is the killer. i'm not quite sure what to
                                make of your "<512mb". Does that mean
                                256MB, 128MB, ...? it kinda starts to make
                                a difference when you get down there.
2004/2/5 [Computer/SW/Security, Computer/Networking, Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:12105 Activity:nil
2/4     Since ipfw rules does not care which program is making the outbound
        access, how do I block, say all outgoing traffic except that generated
        by ssh and mozilla?
        \_ That's not really what ipfw does.  Block all outbound traffic
           destined for ports other than 80, 443 and 22.
           \_ Okay, is there a way to block based on program name in FreeBSD?
              (I heard ZoneAlarm Pro does that, but it only runs on windows?)
              \- there are some sort of hairy ways to do with with
                 fbsd involving complicated jail setups. with linux i suppose
                 you can try grsecurity. solaris-next is supposed to have much
                 finer-grain control but i'm not the best person here to talk
                 about that. what about traffic genreated by say your resolver
                 routines? --psb
                 \_ ob"we don't need no stinkin resolver routines!"
2004/1/30-2/1 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers, Computer/SW/Virus] UID:12032 Activity:moderate
1/29  My roommate's computer (IE6) keeps getting all her requests for redirected to  She swears against all spyware.
      Any idea how to get rid of this?
         It's been recommended by many places.  This guy takes
         \_ this is "Spybot" that the poster below mentions.
      \_ my gf's computer once had all search sites redirected in the
         hosts file.  i've also seen some weird dll's (ieXXX.dll) in the
         system32 (?) directory.  a reasonable virus scanner will catch the
         rogue DLL.
              \_ Adaware is nice, but it's not managed to find/ditch
                 a few nasty browser redirect "trojans" -John
      \_ SpyBot, too.  I install these two programs for everyone with
         a problem computer.  Your roommate's computer has spyware; and
         if she swears against it, then it was her evil boyfriend surfing
         gay porn sites (not that there's anything wrong with that) that
         infected her computer.
         \_ I've switched back from FireBird to IE. It doesn't have flash
            support by default, only works w/ 95% of websites (THIS SUCKS).
            \_ install the plug-in. big deal. I noticed the 5% @first, but
               I don't notice it anymore, and I never have to open IE to
               browse a site I have trouble with.  Sure, some sites look
               a little weird, but I can live with that, and as I said,
               it doesn't bother me.  The amenities of FB outweigh the
               inconvenience, imo.  Of course, 0.8 is due out very soon,
               so you could just wait, and not have to install once, then
               again 2 weeks later.
               \_ otoh, flash installer automatically detects mozilla.
         \_ How is firebird any better then Mozilla on any reasonably
            fast computer?
            \_ it's not really. there are some extras i guess, like ctrl-k
               googling, but nothing seriously better, and quite a few things
               seriously worse (of course, they don't claim to be production
               ready either).
        \_ Google says that you need to fix the hosts file, which not all
           spyware fixers correct.
2004/1/27 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:29765 Activity:nil
1/26    Stupid question which I am having problem finding answer on google:
        How you customize MIME setting on Mozilla Firebird?
2004/1/27 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:11950 Activity:nil
1/26    stupid question which i am having problem to find answer via google:
        how to change MIME setting in Mozilla Firebird?  For example, the
        ASF file is being opened in mplayer.exe (the older version of Windows
        media player) instead of wmplayer.exe (WindozMediaPlayer v9).
        I couldn't find anywhere to edit this behavior.  I have looked in the
        "Download" tab in option as well as rdf files in my profile.  Thax
        \_ firebird is not exactly production quality software. it's missing
           a lot of polish. the easiest hack is probably just to edit mime
           settings in mozilla and then copy the mimetype.rdf thing to
        \_ Search for mozillazine in the motd archives.
        \_ Good move.  If you're going to Chinglish the motd, starting out
           with how stupid you are is the way to go.
2004/1/24-26 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers, Computer/SW/Mail] UID:11924 Activity:high
1/24    Can someone recommend a good mail client for Windows that nicely
        handles multiple mailboxes, each with its own outbound server (I
        need IMAP + TLS) hopefully besides Outcrook?  Tried Opera, Mozilla,
        Firebird, Pegasus, none of them particularly seem to like multiple
        SMTP servers.  -John
        \_ I use both Mozilla and Thunderbird w/multiple SMTP servers.  They can
           be a little difficult to configure, because the dialog for changing
           server settings doesn't seem to remember more than one change at a
           time, but once I got it all configured I didn't have any problems.
           -emarkp  [formatd, damnit]
                     \_ What was wrong with my formatting?  I have tabs set to
                        8, and I wrap at 80 lines to minimize # of lines in a
                        post. -emarkp
                        \_ you're going past 80. you do all the time.
                           \_ Whatever.  I'll keep an eye on it, but it seems
                              to be working fine for me and my settings haven't
                              changed.  I'll set my wrap at 79 in case your
                              settings are messed up. -emarkp
                              \_ My settings?  It's only your posts.  I've
                                 counted my chars/line with both wc and my
                                 fingers.  No one else goes over as often
                                 as you.  --formatd
        \_ I use both Mozilla and Thunderbird w/multiple SMTP servers.  They
           can be a little difficult to configure, because the dialog for
           changing server settings doesn't seem to remember more than one
           change at a time, but once I got it all configured I didn't have
        \_ Eudora will do this, and if you are still affiliated with Berkeley
           as a student or staff, you can get it for free.
        \_ The Bat! baby. Let the bats fly again..
           any problems.  -emarkp  [formatd, damnit]
                                 fingers.  No one else goes over as often as
                                 you.  --formatd
                                 \_ I'll be sure to turn of tabbing then and
                                    insert spaces only.  Less chance for
                                    problems. -emarkp
           \_ OK thanks that's what I thought should happen.  I's remembering
              them ok, but can't seem to figure out which one to use with
              my two test accounts.  Meantime, postfix/cyrus-saslauthd on
              FreeBSD is giving me grief, so I'll have to fix that first.
              Thanks.  -John
           \_ speaking of which, how to set up SMTP / IMAP connect to Soda?
        \_ Eudora will do this, and if you are still affiliated with Berkeley
           as a student or staff, you can get it for free.
        \_ The Bat! baby. Let the bats fly again..
2004/1/22-23 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:11890 Activity:nil
        Funny discussion on abusing the penguin. (worksafe)
2004/1/14-15 [Computer/Domains, Computer/Networking, Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:29748 Activity:nil
1/14    Study shatters internet geek image:
2003/12/23-24 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers, Computer/SW/OS/Windows] UID:11578 Activity:nil
12/23  After I upgraded my computer to XP, images viewed under IE looked
       really bad.  Mozilla still loads them fine.  What could possiblely
       be causing this?
       \_ Thanks but I found the answer in the registry...
          HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Internet Exploer\Main\UseHR
          needs to be set to 0.
          \_ What does that value mean?
                If this value is defined to 1, IE will scale images if the
                Windows DPI setting (in Display Properties -> Settings ->
                Advanced) is set to higher than 96 DPI.
                Set the value to 0 to turn off IE scaling of images.
2003/12/19-21 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:11532 Activity:nil
12/19   How do you get Firebird to handle new file types? Sometimes it tries to
        open binary files in the browser window.
        \_ You can shift-enter on the location bar to force-save the file, or
           wait for 0.8 to fix this issue (branch has already been cut for
           \_ I don't understand why all the Netscape-like browsers do this.
              What's up with the shift-click thing all these years?
                \_ What's up is that the server is sending the wrong
                   Content-Type (probably text/html or text/plain if
                   Firebird tries to display it in the browser window) for
                   binary files.  The reason it might work with IE is that
                   IE violates RFCs by guessing what the content-type really
                   is by looking at the file extension.  -tom
                   \_ I see.  I prefer the functional RFC violation to the
                      geeky, correct, but non-functional version.
                      \_ You think the violation is functional because
                        you think Microsoft is the center of Universe and
                        Windows + Intel PC is the only kind of computer
                        on face of the earth.  Fortunately, there are a lot
                        of geeks who are actually doing productive things
                        on other Hardware/software platform so you don't have
                        to learn another OS, or learn how to type up a paper
                        without using the Word which  you pirated.
                        \_ Actually it's extremely unlikely you know more
                           systems than I do.  Unlike you, I've learned that it
                           is better when they just work, rather than blindly
                           follow an arbitrary standard which makes the apps
                           less functional.  I bought Word.  I also paid for
                           my personal copy of Solaris.  When in school and I
                           couldn't afford Word, I wrote my papers in troff
                           while everyone else was still using type writers or
                           the very few computers available on campus.  What
                           were *you* writing your college papers on in the
                           \_ functional violations of the standard by
                              monpolies are always bad. they make the monopoly
                              stronger. if all the small players don't adhere
                              to the standard and do adhoc shit, they lose
                              to the big player. so blame either the standard
                              or the webmasters. i don't think the browser is
                              at fault.
                              you're an idiot for using troff. -ali.
                                \_ he's actually a liar and a troll for saying
                                he used troff. he's an idiot for implying that
                                was a good thing.
                                \_ i only lied about being a troll. -clooney
2003/11/25 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:11217 Activity:nil
11/24   Alternatives to MS IE.  Anybody know what's the skinny on Netscape
        7.1? free, quality?  Anything about it better than Mozilla?
        \_ No.  If you're going to use NS7 you're better off with M1.x which
           is the same code base but actually gets worked on.
        \_ Firebird firebird firebird.
           \_ Yeah, I know. That's the one I'm recommending, but I'm
              trying to understand what is Netscape these days.
              is it downstream from Mozilla, or is it independent?
              \_ yes.  NS will always be behind Moz, because it starts from the
                 Moz codebase.
              \_ There's really nothing to recommend it.  It's Mozilla with
                 AOL ads.
              \_ it has an integrated aim client and its mail client can
                 read netscape webmail. however, the netscape browser
                 division is no more, so that's probably the last netscape
                 you'll see. so i'd go with mozilla. maybe firebird, if it's
                 good enough for you.
        \_ Safari. I'm told konqueror is pretty good too. Of course
           real men just need telnet to surf the web.
           \_ real men code in assembly too.
2003/11/24-25 [Computer, Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:29667 Activity:moderate 53%like:11187
        Do you support anti-spam internet vigilantes?
        \_ Yes.
           \_ how far would you go?
              \_ Nuke the site from orbit.  Its the only way to be sure.
                 \_ Orbit? Nukes? That would be expensive. Stick with
                    chainsaws and shotguns.
                 \_ A quick hot death is too good for them.
2003/11/13 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:11055 Activity:nil
11/12 (sorta work safe, but watch out for the porn
        site popup if you're not running Mozilla)
        \_ teledildonics?
        \_ What's "Hen's Nights"?
2003/11/12 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:11037 Activity:nil
11/11   In KDE 3, every time I highlight a URL with my mouse, a little
        popup on the lower right side of the screen asks me if I want
        to open it with either Netscape, Mozilla, or Konquerer. I don't
        use...I only use Firebird .7. Can I modify that popup box to
        have it include firebird in its short menu? Thanks.
        \_ It's a setting for Kopy or Klipboard or whatever it's called.
           Right-click on the clipboard icon in your taskbar.
                \_ Cool, thanks. It was the Klipper Clipboard preferences
2003/11/11-12 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers, Computer/SW/OS/Windows] UID:11015 Activity:nil
11/10   Anyone have personal experience with the Creative Nomad Zen NX?
        The features says that it can be used as a hard drive.  What
        kind of interface do you get?  Does it show up as a drive in
        Windows explorer?  What kind of filesystems can you put on it?
        Is the USB 2.0 interface fast enough to run apps off it?
        \_ You can run apps off tape with the right driver.  That doesn't mean
           you'd want to.
        \_ I've used the Zen (not NX, but they are pretty similar). It
           doesn't show up as a drive in explorer, you have to use special
           software to access it (either Creative's software or 3rd party
           software called 'Notmad'). I don't think you can run applications
           through Creative's software, it may be possible with Notmad but
           I haven't tried it.
2003/11/4-5 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:10926 Activity:nil
11/3    Does Firebird have an "AutoFill" extension like the new google toolbar?
        \_ Can you describe the feature in more detail, so those of us who
           love Firebird so much that we won't run anything else (and are lazy)
           have an idea of what you're talking about? :)
        \_ i've got yer autofill extension right here pal
        \_ I don't know what are you talking about, are you talking about
           URL auto-completion on things you've typed up in the past? and/or
           stuff that you've searched in the past?   my firebird version 0.6
           on Windoze has this nasty bug which crash on auto-fill once a while.
           \_ 0.7 is much more stable, well worth the upgrade.
        \_ Sorry for the ambiguity (i use firebird 0.7 but miss google's auto
           fill feature). It's like spyware... basically, it can
           auto fill your name, address, phone, zip, etc into forms w/ a
           single mouse click.
           \_ firebird can remember things that you filled out in forms in
              the past, and will let you auto-fill them in, but on a field-
              at-a-time basis. Does the google feature fill in the whole
              form? (that would seem fairly difficult, given the differences
              between forms/labels/etc)
                \_ yes, google can do it all at once. so how does firebird
                   do its version of auto-fill?
           \_ Mozilla has a googlebar plugin.  I never got it work on my
              version of firebird.  May be you would have better luck.
                -- happy firebird / thunderbird user
                \_ I use the googlebar, which rocks, but it doesn't have this
                   feature. Also, the auto-fill is quite different from
                   firebird's autofill. firebird's autofill is specific to the
                   site, where google's works cross-site (it's pretty good).
        \_ i am using Mozilla and very happy. What's different about
           firebird? It's ironic that Netscape got better when it no longer
           has a big company over it...
           \_ I think you need to check your definition of ironic.  When
              was the last time you saw a piece of software from a big company
              that was remarkably better than the open source equivalent?
              \_ LOL. is that a joke? are you really that out of touch with
                 \_Apache, gcc, kde, gnome, vim, g-emacs, mySQL, perl, bash...
                   \_ Play any open source games lately?  Oh wait, I guess you
                      think GNU chess is just as good a game as Diablo II.
2003/10/31 [Computer/Domains, Computer/Networking, Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:10885 Activity:high
        \_ what?
        \_ one of the worst designed sites around. Don't even bother. Fat chix
2003/10/23-24 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:10756 Activity:nil
10/23   For all you Firebird enthusiasts out there.  Has anyone tried
        Thunderbird?   Is it worth switching to over Mozilla?
        \_ I personally don't like windows mail clients, I prefer pine.
           but my dad seems to like Mozilla's client the best.
        \_ 0.3 is a huge improvement, but is still a little frustrating
           in some ways (previously used OE, trying it out, tempted to
           go back...).  Compaction is annoying (as in Mozilla), esp.
           when you sometimes use unix to check mail as well; a shortcut
           to compact all folders would help.  Lots of minor issues (why
           can't you list the "to" field in the pane? ...)  But the
           customizable tools bars are a huge win over Mozilla...
           \_ err... v 0.3 is out?  I couldn't customize tool bar on
              version 2.
        \_ Speaking of which.  is there anyway for any of those windoze
           mail client that has 1. regular expression filters for email/
           USENET newsgroups, and 2. synch with Palm ?
2003/10/22 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:10729 Activity:nil
10/21   umm, is there any browser out there that is going to balk if i feed
        it a .jpg file labeled as a .gif file.  It seems to be no problem
        on windows exploder or mozilla, but what about macs and others?
        \_ why would you want to do such a thing?
            \_ laziness is the primary answer.  The code i'm using calls for
                .gifs i want to use jpgs, i have not found any problem simply
                renamimng my .jpg files to .gif, however, i don't want that
                to end up with a broken image on some Mac. or whatever.
                \_ can you change the code? wrong file extensions are LAME.
                   \_ yeah, no one knows the answer to your question because
                      no one has any experience with doing something this dumb.
                   \_ no, file extensions are lame.  the idea that you'd use
                      the filename to determine the file type is an MS assault
                      on common decency.  "man file".
                      \_ True, but this guy is actively trying to mislead with
                         a bad extension.
2003/10/22-23 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:10726 Activity:nil
10/21   If you were as impressed with Mozilla Firebird 0.7 as I was,
        wait until you turn on pipelining:

        Look for pipelining, but instead of using user.js, go to
        about:config and use that interface to change the three pipelining
        options. That's what worked for me. --aaron
        \_ What does it do?
           \_ Download multiple files in tandem. ie, grab several images in a
              link simultaneously instead of sequentially.
              \_ you mean... parallel pipelined porn?
                 \_ new meaning for PPP
              \_ uh, no.  it pipelines http requests in the socket rather than
                 suffering RTT delay to synchronize request/response pairs.
                 some older servers may choke on this.
                 \_ I stand corrected. I guess I can't believe everything I
                    read in Linux Magazine.
        \_ How do I know when pipelining is working?  The user.js method
           seemed to work for me; about:config shows the options as true.
           However, network.http.pipelining.firstrequest,
           which is not user set, is still false.  Do I need to flip this to
           true?  What's a good way to see the before and after of turning on
           \_ i don't think you need to worry about firstrequest. if you
              REALLY want to verify it's working, you'll need to snoop the
              headers of your http connections. there are lots of tools.
              any reason why you are so sure they aren't?
           \_ motd formatting daemon, stat!
                \_ glad to be of service
           \_ How bout, pages start loading totally dangitty-smackin' fast?
              \_ Placebo effect!
                 \_ it depends what sort of sites you are using to compare.
                    loaded sites like <DEAD><DEAD> are undisputably
                    faster for me with pipelining. i would guess their
                    setup has high per-connection costs.
                 \_ Well, to be honest I also changed the initialpaint delay.
                    I haven't bothered looking at the pipelining alone.
        \_ How can you get it to keep the same tabs open the next time you run Firebird?
           And when I drag links to the toolbar below the address bar, the link doesn't stay.
           Bug to be worked out in next version?
2003/10/17-18 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:10679 Activity:nil
10/17   I'm having trouble viewing the online Fry's ad at the site. Everything on the page except for the ad
        image shows up. IE6.0SP1, Win98SE. Help me please!
        \_ Here's a nickel, kid. Go buy yourself a real computer.
           \_ Hey, our good friend "blah, blah, blah, kid", "blah, blah,
              blah, son" is back.  You always add such value to the motd,
              welcome back!
              \_ I don't think it's a single guy -- I think it's more of a
                 motd-culture thing.  You know, mixing old alums with young
                 ugrads, etc.
              \_ He is quoting old Dilbert, you illiterate ape.
                 \_ yeah, 'cause if you don't read Dilbert, surely you
                    have no culture and must be illiterate
                    \_ wow, *whew* it's good to see that you understand.
                 \_ You're one of those condescending UNIX computer users!
                    \_ No, he's probably a linux user and candle lighter.
                 \_ Actually, I read Dilbert and watch the Dilbert TV show.
                    Must have missed that one.
                    \_ It was posted for a couple years by more than one prof
                       on seventh floor soda.  Perhaps you need to renew your
                       credentials, young padawan.
                          \_ Nerd!
                       \_ Oh please, like any of us was still on campus after
                          they finished building Bathroom Hall.  I could find
                          it with a map and a hottie ugrad chick to keep me
                          warm, nothing less.
                          \_ They were there for years, man.  Years.  Just
                             be a man, and admit that you're an idiot.
                             \_ Years?  They?  WTF are you drooling about?
                                Where is my hottie?  You don't qualify.  Send
                                in the freshman chicks!
                    \_ 1995
                 \_ Does CSUA still make people draw pictures of theirmom
                    in order to get an account?  Harken to 5th flr E.
        \_ Switch to Mozilla Firebird. The latest version rocks my socks.
           \_ You mean r0x0rz y00r b0x0rz!
           \_ It kicks ass.  And check out the extensions.  Woood!
           \_ Too bad my mouse wheel doesn't work in Firebird.
              \_ mine does. nyah nyah nyah.
                 \_ you win the nerd of the day award.  mouse wheels are a ms
                    invention to make up in part for their shitty UI.
2003/10/17 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:10671 Activity:nil
10/16   Mozilla Firebird kicks butt. This latest version is the first of these
        free browsers that I'm 100% satisfied with.
        \_ I'd like it if it weren't so buggy.
           \_ did you delete your old install completely AND create a new
              profile? yeah it's lame but you gotta. --aaron
              \_ *that* means its buggy.
       \_ someone else posted this, but I didn't see any response:  What do
          you guys move over from your old installs after upgrading, and
          how do you do it?
          \_ Yeah, I originally asked that...  I ended up just installing
             over my other version, and haven't had any problems so far.
             (It did wipe out my extensions)
2003/10/15-16 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers, Computer/SW/OS/Windows] UID:10635 Activity:nil
10/15   Are there any Moz Firebird mirrors out there? on CSUA?
        \_ For which OS?
        \_ Windows build .7 is in /csua/tmp
                \_ did it work for you? the file seemed corrupted (WinXP)
                   \_ yeah didn't see any probs, and the md5s match.
        \_ They generally recommend starting out with a new profile for
           new releases.  Just wondering, what do people move over from
           their old one, other than their bookmarks? (is it easier to
           port the cookie lists/etc, or just nuke and start from scratch?)
2003/10/11-12 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:10596 Activity:nil
10/11   Any reccomendations for an online bookmark manager?  It must im/export
        to IE, Netscape, Opera, Konqueror across Windows, Linux, AIX.  Looking
        for a free service, no ads, and the site shouldn't disappear in a few
        months or years.  Considering the following:
        Any opinion / experience with those?  Suggestions for something else?
        \_ free, with no ads, and won't go out of "business"? are you
           on crack? you'd best roll your own.
        \_ + ed + XHTML
        \_ Have a look at -- I don't recall what
           he's using, but you can ask.  -John
        \_ you want free, multi platform, does everything, no ads, and won't
           ever go away?  this isn't 1998.
2003/9/30-10/1 [Computer/SW/Editors, Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:10387 Activity:nil
9/30  what happened? The site has been super slow.
        \_ oops, that was me constantly hitting the reload button.
        \_ I hit the (k)rash item on the menu.  sorry.
2003/9/29-30 [Health/Women, Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:10375 Activity:nil
9/29    birth control methods include failure percentages in a year, but of
        the successful percentages, how many of them are infertile? In
        another word do companies take in account of couples who can't
        conceive, and take them out of the statistics?
        \_ Think about this for a minute.
        \_ if you're infertile, why would you use birth control? and even if
           you did (because you didn't know), the product would still 'work'
           for you. Is this supposed to be a troll or just dumb? It seems
           more bizarre than troll.
           \_ This is actually a very important question. And yes, studies
              take this into account (or they should) when rating
              birth control products. Depending on how they conduct the
              study and who does it, the assumption is that couples are
              fertile and in their prime. Studies like this usually prescreen
              and preselect couples, and they typically have a control group.
              Since these studies are widely used in academia and are typically
              published in JAMA they should be relatively accurate. However,
              even the best studies have been proven wrong in the past. JAMA
              and the AMA as well as the FDA are hardly failsafe in their
              \_ Heh.  You should hear what an epidemologist I heard today
                 had to say about JAMA.  Meanwhile consider the statement
                 'If it's published in X, it should be Y,' for various values
                 of X and Y.  For instance X = internet, Y = true.
                 \- yeah my friends in stat/biostat also roll their eyes
                    when trying to do sophisticated statistics with doctors
                    who think they know everything. --psb
           \_ infertile != sterile.  infertile means the gametes are there
              but they have a tough time meeting or going forward in
              development after they do meet.
              \_ sort of like the bar scene?
2003/9/29 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers, Computer/SW/Security] UID:10359 Activity:nil
9/29    What do you guys use to SFTP your files from soda to home Winbox?
        I use WinSCP but it hangs too often.  Thx.
        \_ cygwin scp
        \_ SecureCRT + zmodem
                \_ SecureFX
        \_ Putty's pscp.  Though FileZilla works too.  Both are free.
        \_ http and mozilla
2003/9/22 [Computer/SW/Mail, Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:29937 Activity:nil
9/20    I almost *NEVER* use pop/IMAP for email.  I normally just simply log
        into my shell account and check email there like what I have always
        done for the past 12-13 years.   Now, for certain things, it would
        be convinient for me to actually have a POP/IMAP client on my windoze
        machine.  My question for you uber nerds out there,
        what are the most popular open-source POP/IMAP client for windoze?
        Mind you, that I would like to run spamassassin and other email
        categorizing filter in between.   Thanks in advance
                                -- lesser nerd
        \_ Mozilla seems to be ok.
                \_ mozilla thunderbird you mean
                \_ Ditto  -John
        \_ why would you ask an uber nerd about "windoze" clients? you have
           thus revealed yourself as a lesser lesser nerd.
           \_ because lesser nerd couldn't find a cool job that uses
                UNIX box at work.       -lesser, but comfortable nerd
           \_ Uber nerds don't care what OS is in front of them as long as it
              supports multiple simultaneous ssh clients.  Uber nerds don't
              use the desktop for anything but an expensive terminal.  GUIs
              are for girls and grandmothers.
        \_ Use Outlook!  -Greater Stud
        \_ Use cell phone!  -Greater Stud+
        \_ outlook is by far the most fully featured client. sure it has
           its problems, but I've never looked back.
                             \_ even if you did, you still couldn't find your
                                ass with both hands.
2003/9/18 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:10238 Activity:nil
9/17    Anyone uses Mozilla Firebird?  I already have jvm installed, but
        my browser doesn't detect java plugins.  How to install java plugin
        manually on firebird?
        \_ Firebird can't do Java
        \_ I'm using FireBird 0.6.1 with JRE 1.4.2, Win2k and WinXP
           without problems (assuming you're on Windows)..
           Check for
           hints and tips.  Most likely, you need to to apply a registry
           patch so Plugins know where to find Mozilla.
           The generic Plugin FAQ is located at
   Note: I also have Netscape
           7.1 installed, so FireBird may be getting the JavaPlugin info
           from my Netscape Plugin folder.
2003/8/27-28 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers, Computer/SW/OS/Windows, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:29484 Activity:low
8/27    This is a question for Imaging gurus.  I have a few JPEG
        files which I'm not able to view on my PC.  However, I am
        able to view the thumbnail of the pic in Windows Explorer
        in XP.  When I try to load it in 'xv' on unix I get the
        following errors.  The image is located at /csua/tmp/photo18.jpg.
        Is there any way to fix these JPEG errors?  Thanks for any
        help. -  madhav
        - Corrupt JPEG data: Premature end of data segment
        - Invalid JPEG file structure: two SOI markers
        \_ Opera and mspaint display it just fine.  Save as a different
           format maybe.  "SOI" = start of image.  -John
           \_ Thanks.  I tried on my work PC (W2K) and it seems to open the
              image fine without any problems in Netscape 7.1, IE 6, MS Paint,
              and MS Photo Editor. -madhav
        \_ Where did the image come from?  If it is from a digital camera,
           it is likely that they did a "smaller+regular" image trick.
           Basically they stored a smaller version of the image at
           the front to allow faster preview inside the camera.  Maybe
           "xv" just does not handle this case?  (Sounds like John's
           assumption of having "two Start Of Image" may back this up.)
           \_ The image came from my Sony Mavica CD-200 digital camera.
              What is weird is that not all pictures have this problem, only
              1 in 25-30. -madhav
           \_ I did a bit of digging, and apparently some jpeg file formats
              like SPIFF use SOI markers to indicate that the following
              information is format-specific.  Some decoders don't understand
              the tags which follow the additional markers, and just look
              at the SOI bits themselves.  Page for SPIFF is at
              What's the picture of?  -John
              \_ The picture is of the valley as seen from Jungfraujoch(highest
                 train station in Europe approx. 11500 feet) in
                 Switzerland. -madhav
2003/8/26-27 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:29472 Activity:low
8/26    While signing for online access to a foreign bank for a friend.
        Safari 1.0 and Firebird 0.6.1 complains that it could not
        verify the host (Safari: bad server certificate), while IE on win2K
        and Netscape 4.75 (Mac) does not complaint.  which one should
        I trust?
        \_ You can trust IE and Netscape on this issue.  You should check
           the details of exactly why Safari and Firebird said it was bad,
           but it was most likely because the certificate authority was
           3rd tier (i.e., not Verisign or Thawte).
           \_ it is also possible that the certificate has been revoked.
              old IE/Netscape won't catch these when new browsers can.
2003/8/20 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:29396 Activity:insanely high
8/19    How's Netscape 7.1 compared to 4.8?  I have a Celeron 400 128MB and
        P-III 800 256MB, both running NT.  Does 7.1 (using Gecko) perform
        better than 4.8 on these wimpy machines?  Thanks.
        \_ Shit.  I use a P3-700 and used a p3-450 for years before that.  I
           wish I'd known they're too wimpy to do something trivial like
           surf the net.  Intel told me if I spent $3k on a new computer
           every year, the net would go faster!
        \_ those aren't that wimpy. i have a celeron 500 (granted, with 1 GB
           ram) and mozilla runs great. it'll probably be a bit slow, but
           usable, on the 400, unless you have a lot of other apps open. the
           800 should be just fine. in case you didn't, mozilla and netscape
           7.1 are practically the same thing.
           \_ I'd seriously look at MozillaFirebird, it's fast on my NT4
              700 Mhz machine.
              \_ second that.  Don't use netscape.  it's just an older
                 version of mozilla :p  and Firebird is slightly
                 lighter than Internet Explorer nor Netscape
                 \_ actually, for the first time in a while, the netscape
                    and the stable moz are at parity. ironically, mozilla
                    is more widely supported by commercial apps/plugins
                    than netscape 7.
           \_ A Celeron 400 is Wimpy with a capital "W".
              \_ as opposed to WImpy or WIMPY?
            \_ not if all you do is surf and use word.
               \_ This is because Word requires so few resources? The
                  thing is a pig.
                  \_ Just needs memory.
                  \_ it is a pig for what it does.  However a celeron 400 is
                     a hell of a lot of processor power.  If you aren't
                     doing simulation or emulation or lots of graphics
                     then it is plenty for surfing.  I used a 450mhz p4 until
                     recently and it didn't feel slow.
        \_ Just today I installed Firebird on a really old Pentium 133. It takes
           *forever* to load (i think the machine has 32 or 64MB ram) but is
           quite usable after the initial loadup. >= IE5 (in terms of speed).
2003/7/29-30 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:29168 Activity:kinda low
7/29    Does there exist a plug-in, extension, or some other solution for
        Mozilla to share the bookmarks across many different workstations?
        (NFS won't help in this case)
        \_ rsync
        \_ You want one master bookmark list?  You want to merge them from
           all users into one master list they all share?  What do you want
           to do?
        \_ Switch back to Netscape 4.8 and use it's roaming feature
2003/7/14-15 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:29027 Activity:nil
7/13    I would like to let my browser (mozilla/firebird) to block any image
        file (typically a gif file) that is 1 pixel by 1 pixel.  Any existing
        tools to do that?  BannerBlind used to able to block image of specific
        size, any other tools?
        \_ Window Washer on windows will do things like that and functions as
           an http proxy.
2003/7/3-4 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:28913 Activity:moderate
7/3     Is Mozilla 1.4 really broken?  I seem to be having some major layout
        issues with it in Windows.
        \_ I've been using.  It's so much the same I forgot I'd gone from 1.2
           to 1.4.
           \_ Odd, when I reverted to 1.3.1 the problems seemed to go away.
        \_ what is wrong with firebird?  I love it :p
           \_ I used it once and i think it doesn't support SSL.
              But I could be wrong.
2003/6/21 [Computer/Networking, Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:28794 Activity:low
6/20    Is there any software that allows a voice modem to screen phone calls
        and act like an internet accessable answering machine?
        \_ You can buy gizmos that do it.  Never heard of freeware that turns
           your v90 into one.
2003/6/20 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers, Computer/SW/Languages/Perl] UID:28777 Activity:very high
6/19    I want to write a script (or find any workable method) of viewing
        and saving multiple sequential pages on a website.  I can do this
        in perl easily (just extracting data from source) except for cookies.
        I generated frames to let a browser handle the cookie transaction but
        mozilla won't let me save frame source (!?!). Seems like this should
        be easy.  Any advice? -jnat
        \_ have you tried 'wget' or 'curl'?
           \_ wget doesn't seem to work with
        \_ I've thought of doing this too.  Is there a good way to emulate
           a web browser so you don't get in trouble for screen scraping?
           \_ curl is what you want.
        \_ for those who are less geeky, there is getleft.
        \_ What do you mean by "multiple sequential pages"?  You can do
           cookies and all other browser emulation in perl.  I'm not sure
           what you're trying to do.  Me and many others have written web
                                        \_ "I"
                                           \_ Nyet, grasshoppa!  In this case
                "Me and many others" is a single plural term.  This is not
                what you were taught but did not learn in 3rd grade about
                "me and jonny were spanked for being bad" vs "I and jonny".
                In the future I'll confine myself to the simpler forms of
                English for you so as not to confuse the masses.
                \_ if you want to be truly pedantic, it's "Johnny and I."
           spidering programs to crawl and rape other people's sites.  It's
           a reasonably well solved problem.
           \_ Okay where do I find out how to do this?  I've been doing
             google searches and reading pages and pages and not seeing
             anything client-side.
             \_  You'll find all the modules for making http
                connections, saving and sending cookies, etc.
2003/6/17-18 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:28740 Activity:high
6/17    Anyone have any experience with StarOffice 6?  I am sick to death
        both of MSOffice, and of StarOffice 5.2 munging macros and formatting.
        Neither koffice nor OpenOffice do a better job.  And yes, I do
        occasionally need to work on word docs.  -John
        \_ obED!
        \_ soffice 6 sucks on Linux/*BSD/Solaris. It is slow, unresponsive,
           and frequently screws up word conversions (esp. those with
           custom styles, macros and revision history). If you just need
           to read the occasional word doc and you don't mind that the
           converted versions looks like shit soffice is okay otherwise
           you are stuck with M$ Office.
                \_ Funny, SO5 already filled all those criteria.  Thanks for
                   the honest appraisal, though.  -John
        \_ err... what is the differences between StarOffice and OpenOffice?
           \_ think netscape 7 versus mozilla
              \_ thought so.  If that is the case, why would anyone,
                 as an individual, choose Staroffice over OpenOffice?
                                -Mozilla / Firebird user
                 \_ If the individual is not a technical guru, the
                    1-800 number tech support instead of usenet/mailing
                    lists is a big plus.  There's also a couple of features
                    in SO but not OO, such as some of the spell checking
                    dictionaries and the database for their MS Access
                    \_ funny thing is, last time I checked, there is no
                        1-800 number on MS office neither.  In fact,
                        I don't recall any of MS products has tech support
                        \_ In Office X there is a button labeled 'Tech
                           Support' that brings up contact info for M$
                           tech support. In case you wanted to call them
                           the numbers are:
                           Standard Support: U.S. (425) 454-2030
                           Paid Support: (800) 936-5700
                           \_ standard support?  "Please dial 800-936-5700
                              for further support!  Thank you for calling
                              Microsoft's Standard Support Hotline!"
2003/6/14-15 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:28732 Activity:moderate
6/14    I fill out a lot of forms for sweepstakes/free stuff that basically
        just ask for name, address, email.  Is there any way to partially
        automate this within mozilla?  Preferably it would generate random
        answers to any survey questions and generate a new spamgourmet
        email address.
        \_ good idea... may be you should post this at the mozdev site
           and someone will write it :p
        \_ do you ever win anything?
           \_ I've never won any drawings, but I do get a lot of free stuff.
              I have free subscriptions to Maxim, InfoWeek, Field and Stream
              ect.  Occasionally I get small things like a free Webster
              dictionary and golf balls.  Whatever... free= good.  And I
              really haven't seen much of an increase in spam because of it.
              \_ It's not truly free.  They're getting some info out of you.
                 \_ given that the op is implying that he is providing false
                    data, the companies are really recieving something
                    of negative value in exchanege for their giveaways.
                    of course, the op's time is probably worth way more per
                    hour than the compensation from the giveaways for
                    filling out stupid web forms. It seems to me that both
                    sides are losing.
                    \_ You can't provide all false data and expect to get
                       anything in the mail ;)  Besides, if you look at it
                       that way every time you write to this you're loosing
                       $$ for little gain.  But really, I've got nothing
                       better to do while currently unemployed :)
                       \_ uhm, look for work?
                          \_ Well, I have a job lined up for next month.
2003/6/3 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:28611 Activity:nil
6/1     Is Mozilla 1.4 same thing as the Mozilla Firebird?  I read somewhere
        said it is, yet i see 2 listings on the site.  Thanks
        \_ no, firebird is pheonix, sort of the next generation mozilla (which
           I don't like as much even though it does render a LOT faster.
           \_ Additionally, Mozilla 1.4+ will migrate to a separate app model
              (with firebird as browers, and thunderbird as mail program).
           \_ thanks.   I'll stick with Firebird.      --OP
2003/5/30 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:28583 Activity:nil
5/29    sigh... AOL/TimeWarner surrendered the browser war...
        \_ You just noticed?  That happened years ago, genius.
           \_ I think he's referring to the $750M settlement with MS today
           \_ yup, that is what I am refering to.  While the outcome of
              the war is clear years ago, AOL didn't wave the white flag
              until now.  Notice the word "surrender" I refered earlier..
                                - OP,   not as genius as you think
              \_ They waved the flag years ago.  Netscape was never serious
                 competition after the sale.  AOL could have put real resources
                 into it, used it for their own services, etc, and never did.
                 This $750m thing doesn't make it official.  It was already
                 official in 97/98.
        \_ Only if your definition of "winning a war" is synonymous to
           "winning a war through DoJ punitive actions"
2003/5/30-31 [Computer/Domains, Computer/Networking, Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:28581 Activity:kinda low
5/29    Has anyone here tried Digital Path for internet?
        \_ I always use digital paths for my internet.  Analog internet is so
           300 baud.
           \_ Perhaps he meant
        \_ Stupid wannabee funny comments deleted.
           \_ Dick.  As if the comments prevented anyone from giving a real
              answer.  There's still no real answer and just your dumb ass
              deleting something funny and replacing it with... well, your
              dumb ass saying nothing.
2003/5/23 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:28533 Activity:kinda low
5/22    For those who use Mozilla Firebird...  I thought firebird is supposed
        to be lighter than the original Mozilla code, but it's still has a
        40mb memory footprint... is anyone else experiencing the same thing?
        [corrected. now mostly in english.  --englishd]
        \_ It depends on how much memory cache I let it use. At default
           setting, Pheonix fires up quicker and smaller, but eventually
           grows to the same size.
2003/5/21 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:28503 Activity:nil
5/20    Where does Mozilla (firebird) store its cached data on W2k?
        \_ STFW:
2003/5/10-11 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:28394 Activity:kinda low
5/9     Any ideas as to why google might prevent soda browsers from doing
        \_ Which browsers? links, lynx ?
           \_ links... though lynx works for me.  Hadn't tried it before.
        \_ works in w3
        \_ They blocked you because they're a bunch of 'Furders and you're
           at Cal.
2003/4/30 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:28265 Activity:kinda low
4/29    Anyone tried a recent firebird build.  It's pretty kickass.
        It feels quite snappy and the icons and preferences are niiiice.
        \_ do you mean the web browser or RDBMS?
           \_ the DB, of course.  What other firebird is there?
              \_ the browser
2003/4/22-23 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:28190 Activity:high
4/22    Is there a trick that will tell links (the webbrowser) to let me
        highlight/copy text from its window?  It clears the screen when I
        suspend or quit, so that won't work either.
        \_ Hold down shift.
        \_ try some combination of alt+click, like ctrl+alt+click, or
           shift+alt+click, depending on your terminal. WFM.
           \_ solves the problem for me on konsole; thanks much.
        \_ I'd like to know this too.
        \_ not exactly sure what you are asking
           \_ Open up links, search for your favorite quote, song lyrics, or
              poem.  Try to highlight the text in the window to copy paste
              into another file or email or whatever-- unless you're in
              Cygwin it won't work. The best I've come up with is
                F9, Save As foo, Quit, then lynx -dump foo
        \_ This actually depends on the xterm [or whatever terminal emulator or
           terminal] you're using. I just try to use xterms that keep the X
           "selection" (or whatever it's called) until you actually highlight
           something else (even if the selection is not visible any more).
2003/4/19-20 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:28167 Activity:high
4/19    I'm trying to get mozilla 1.3 to run on my ultra 5, solaris 2.8
        box on the local display.  I've patched the os, I've added the
        shared memory options to /etc/system, I've grabbed the gtk/glib
        from netscape7 from sun, I've added that to my LD_LIBRARY_PATH,
        I've pulled my hair out.  All I get is a prompt back when
        mozilla-bin exits with error code 1.  I ran truss on it but I
        didn't see anything special going on.  Has anyone got mozilla to
        run on a solaris 2.8 box?  Is there some trick I'm missing?  Thanks!
                 \_ obInstall1337GN00L1nuxRideBike!
        \_ this is why a run a windows desktop
        \_ mozilla --debug?
           \_ I don't have a debugger installed and the binary comes pre-
              stripped anyway....  I've been using NS6.2.3 which sucks.
        \_ Try this
           delete components/compreg.dat
           cd to your home directory and run $prefix/mozilla
           After that, you should be able to use mozilla from any directory.
           Also don't forget to run the shell script that's mentioned
           in the mozilla release notes if the mozilla directory is not
           writable by the users. By the way, I have found some strange
           rendering problems in Sun's mozilla package. I have built a 1.3
           package using gcc and I am not seeing these problems. You
           can grab my package at
                 \_ How do you install this after untarring it?
           \_ I'd love to get strange rendering problems.  It means I'm
              rendering.  :-)  I tried all this and nothing.  I've tried as
              root and as a normal user.  Blah.  I guess I'm stuck with
              what I've got.  Maybe mozilla 1.4 will run when it comes out.
              Thanks for the tips!
        \_ you can also try: ln -s /usr/bin/lynx /usr/bin/mozilla
              \_ but give a try to my build. It's known to work.
                 \_ How do you install this after untarring it?
        \_ mv .mozilla .mozilla.old; mozilla. Or try mozilla1.2.1
        \_ is anyone else irked by how hard it is to run mozilla
           \_ Yes.  Very irked.  I've never had so much trouble getting
              something to run.  The complete lack of any error message on
              exit is extremely frustrating.  I'm using NS7 now which is
              better but still not the real deal.  I can't use binaries from
              an individual's compile although I do appreciate the offer.
              I'll probably end up compiling my own when I get time.  --op
                \_ the lack of error message almost certainly means it's a
                   problem with the libraries it's linked against, compared
                   to what libraries are on your system--I've seen this happen
                   with other applications on Solaris.  The app never loads
                   enough to generate an error message.  -tom
                   \_ Huh?  Meaning the binary itself is bad?  I got it from
                      the site.  Is there a solution other than
                      doing my own compile?  thanks!  -op
                        \_ meaning the binary was linked against libraries
                           other than the ones you're trying to load.  -tom
2003/4/15-16 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:28136 Activity:nil
4/15    Thanks M$, for destroying innovation and stifling creativity.
        Where would we be without you?
        \_ Ride Linux!
           \_ haha
2003/4/5-6 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers, Computer/SW/Security] UID:28002 Activity:high
4/5     On the Terms and Conditions:
                * Software Downloads. As part of the NetZero Service,
                NetZero may from time to time download software
                owned by NetZero or third parties to your computer.
                Your use of the NetZero Service constitutes your
                consent to such downloads.
        What is this about?  What type of software would they want to
        download to my computer?  Is this to scan the files on my computer,
        or likely something more innocuous?
        \_ something to do with ads maybe?
        \_ why do you want to use netzero anyway? there are other choices that
           are cheaper and have worked okay for me. e.g., joi internet.
                \_ Thanks for the tip!  I'll switch to joi.
           \_ does joi require you to use their own software?
                \_ no.
        \_ Welcome to Gator hell.  Tried Ad-aware @
           \_ Ad-aware sucks. Get Spybot Search and Destroy
        \_ It probably means pop up and other ad crap, data mining, and similar
           spyware crap.  Legally it means *anything* they want and they're
           on safe legal ground.  Some third party ware installed via them
           steals your CC or tax info and you're a victim of ID theft?  You're
           SOL.  Don't be cheap, get real net service without T&C like this.
         \_Just hack Netzero and get around their software. I used to do it
           when their accounts were free.
           \_ Why bother?
2003/3/13-14 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:27689 Activity:high
3/13    Can anyone think of any benefits of IE6 over Mozilla other than
        the more-easily-customizable toolbars in IE6?
        \_ javascript stuff doesn't always work in mozilla
           \_ wrong jscript stuff doesn't always work. javascript works.
              \_ whatever.
        \_ If you are one of those people who belive that
           the fact that IE6 doesn't have tabs is a benefit.
           \_ Those can be turned off
           \_ What complaints do people have with tabbed browsing?
                \_ It violates some bs hci rules or something.
                   Some usability drone at work was telling me
                   how tabbed browsing just ruins "workflows".
                   \_ He's an idiot.  It's much better than opening a whole
                      new window for each of 20 links on a page I'd like to
                      see.  Shoot that stupid bastard.  He's some dotcom
                   \_ He's an idiot.  It's much better than
                      opening a whole new window for each of 20
                      links on a page I'd like to see.  Shoot
                      that stupid bastard.  He's some dotcom
                        \_ Worse. He's an academic fossil with
                           a CS PhD in HCI and a whole list of
                           worthless papers and standards that
                           he is the author/co-author of.
                           \_ Oh God... save us all!  Kill him now!
           \_ tabbed browsing is a god send.
              \_ I never used it. Why is it so great? Isn't it just that you
                 several open pages as "tabs"? Why is that better than just
                 having several open browser windows?
                 \_ Just try it. It's much easier than chasing windows
                    all over the place.
                 \_ It's kind of like virtual desktops. You can "group"
                    certain topics. Like I have one browser full of tabs
                    that is work-related stuff, and one that isn't. --aaron
                 \_ I thought exactly the same until I used it.  It's hard to
                    describe but here's an example: I go to a site that has a
                    lot of links from one page such as google, slashdot, cnn,
                    or other news sites.  I can single click open 20+ tabs and
                    they load in the background while I continue looking for
                    other things on the same page I want to read.  When I'm
                    done I can then start reading through those tabs.  The
                    non-tabbed way would have 20+ windows fucking up my screen
                    and on some/most platforms force me to reclick the first
                    page to bring it back to the top each time.  Also, one
                    click and the whole browser goes to the taskbar.  Non-tabs
                    means 20+ clicks.  It's better.  Try it.  You'll like it.
        \_ just discovered that the toolbars are even nicer/easier to
           customize in mozilla with phoenix installed... -OP
           \_ but phoenix also breaks lots of other nice features :(
              \_ like?
                \_ phoenix 0.5 doesn't support the google search in the
                   address bar, nor the group bookmark open in tabs that
                   I was originally seeking...  Maybe .6 will.  I can't
                   believe they have to change the name b/c someone else
                   trademarked phoenix?!?!? seems bizarre... -OP
                   \_ the nightly build has working google search, even
                      better because if you just type a phrase in the URL
                      bar it does a feeling lucky search. --aaron
        \_ better support for plugins.  maybe it is insecure for morons but
           I like being able to just say "yes, dl the plugin" in a dialog box
           that pops up (or never bother me aboutthis plugin again) and just
           have it work.  And since I'm not a moron it isn't a big deal.
           \_ is there a test of some sort to determine one's moron status?
              \_ yes.  the motd.  you've failed.
                 \_ Am I a moron?
2003/3/13 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:27679 Activity:low
3/12    Anyone have any idea of how to open a lot of tabs in mozilla
        automatically? (I have a javascript function that calls lots
        of calls for my "morning news read" that I would
        like to have in mozilla as tabs instead of separate windows).
        \_ phoenix does somethijng like this
        \_ "Bookmark this group of tabs" under the Bookmark menu.
2003/3/10-11 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:27641 Activity:moderate
3/10    Has any of you win98 users with dial-up experienced this?  Clicking
        Explorer (folder explorer) will bring up dial-up networking.
        \_ this happens usually if you are using a yahoo or google toolbar
           and you have a dial-up adapter to dial-on-demand.
           \_ I'm not sure about the toolbar bit, but go to the internet
              options, connection, set to directly connected, and uncheck the
              'autodial' and pick nothing in 'use this dialup connection' -dwc
        \_ You registry is mushed.
2003/2/12 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:27388 Activity:moderate
2/12    Is there any graphical browser on soda?  I tried "locate netscape" but
        couldn't find the executable.  Thanks.
        \_ why would you even want to do that?  why not just run the browser
           on your local machine?
           \_ Say I want to surf porn but don't want to be recorded by my
              company's proxy server.
        \_ The last thing we need is a bunch of people trying to stream
           netscape over X11/ssh on soda.
2003/2/4-5 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:27297 Activity:nil
2/3     Tried opencms, a Content Management software written in Java.
        It is nice except 1. there is a functionality only work with
        Internet Explorer.  and 2. It doesn't wupport Gecko Render
        Engine, thus, Mozilla / Netscape 6/7 is out.  Continue
        my search on open-source content mangament software...
        \_ everyone remember ArsDigita? Here's what's become of them:
                        - rory
2003/1/21 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers, Computer/Companies/Google] UID:27171 Activity:high
        \_ What is this?  Work safe?
            \_ it's text, use lynx
        \_ It's a story about freakishly large breasts.
        \_ She should be banned from direct breastfeeding due to suffocation
           hazard to her baby.  Why didn't she even accept bottle-feeding with
           her own milk despite such a hazard?  Maybe there's some sexual
           desire she needs fulfilled.
           \_ I think she just wants to get some actual use out of those
2003/1/10-11 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:27059 Activity:high
1/10    Does mozilla 1.2.1 include bayesian spam filters?
        \_ no.
2003/1/6-7 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers, Computer/Domains] UID:27004 Activity:high
1/6     request to the people shortening the URLs:  can you embed
        the domain name into the shortened URL?  shortening into or if domain
        name is not available, use the ip address.  I can't be the only
        person who is hesistant about clicking something that I don't know
        where it leads me.  What if it's some porn site and I'm at work?
        \_ <DEAD><DEAD> shortens to....
           oh boy... isn't that a great improvement.
           \_ how about
              optimize for the common case.  long domain names are an
              exception not the rule.
        \_ Use mozilla tabs.  Wear headphones.  Get a better job.  Don't view
           non-work stuff on work time.
           \- ObUseLynx --psb
        \_ Don't use fucking URL shorteners! You M$ attachment, click-me
           to auto-screw-me wannabes
        \_ How about a click-through link that tells the user the
           real URL before going to it? Or a form that returns the
           real URL?
           \_ other url shorteners do the above.  use them.
2002/12/13-14 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers, Computer/SW/OS/Windows] UID:26805 Activity:nil
12/12   In w2k, when I go to START->DOCUMENTS there is a "my document"
        icon also. At my work w2k machine, there's also a small right
        arrow on the right hand side where I can move my mouse over and
        it'll bring up all the contents of "my document".  But, at my
        own home machine, it's just an icon, there's no right arrow.
        So I click it and it bring up file explorer.  How do I get the
        right arrow to appear?  I don't like popping up new file explorer
        windows just to get to my documents.  Sorry for the lengthy
        description, UI problems are a mouthful to describe.  Thanks.
        \_ Start Menu > Settings > Taskbar & Start Menu > Advanced >
           Expand My Documents
2002/12/10 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:26775 Activity:nil
12/9    My question was deleted but I found the answer:
        Search google for "internet explorer multiple downloads" to find the
        question and answer.
2002/12/6-7 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:26739 Activity:nil
12/6    Any recommendations for online bookmarking sites?  I'd like to have a
        master list of bookmarks that I can sync across several machines and
        different browsers (IE, Netscape, Opera).  Yahoo's bookmarks are
        limited at 1000; I've tried but don't like their
        interface too much.  Any reference to such comparisons would help too.
        Thanks in advance.
        \_ If you can't find anything, why not set up something yourself?
           Toys like phprojekt ( albeit a bit overkill
           for just bookmarks, let you do just that.  Or do you want the
           bookmarks locally available?  -John
        \_ limited to 1000?  Dude, you're doing way too much surfing.  I've
           got about 100 after surfing since there was surfing and never visit
           most of those.  get out.  meet women.  become a priest.  be useful
           to society in someway.  limit bookmarks to under 1000.
2002/11/13-14 [Computer/Domains, Computer/Networking, Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:26528 Activity:very high
11/13   When does e-commerce really start?  Does any scholars here read
                                        \_Next Tuesday.
        any documentations about how to utilize the internet to do business?
        I just recently read that PanIP is suing all the small business
        that utilize automated shopping over the internet.  Supposedly the
        owner of PanIP has two patents describing the automated process
        of e-commerce.
        \_ "Strong English language skills required".
                \_ shut the fuck up aaron.
                \_ ??? Is that quote directed to the link ???
2002/11/10-11 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:26494 Activity:moderate
11/9    remember roving profiles and bookmarks in netscape?
        is there something like that for mozilla? - danh
        \_ Nope. But it really needs it dammit.
2002/11/9-10 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:26492 Activity:moderate
        porn surf at work is now safe.
        \_ uh whatever.  who is actually surfing porn at work?  who do you
           work for?  i need a stock to short.
           \_ Tech support at the company I worked for routinely visited
              pr0n sites. Since we were one of the primary providers of
              web hosting boxes to online pr0n sites they claimed it was
              all work related...
              I'd give you a stock symbol, but the company doesn't exist
2002/10/26-28 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:26331 Activity:nil
10/25   There should be a recall on browsers that implement style sheets
        incorrectly like Netscape 4.x. It's hampering progress.
        \_ A recall?  It's the client side.  If they don't like the broken
           page they'll upgrade.
2002/10/22-24 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:26283 Activity:high
10/22   Has anyone installed an xWindows browser(netscape/mozilla/opera/??) on
        \_ Please don't do this. I am sure you can find a better place to
           run your browser from. Like scotch, for instance.
           \_ Please don't do this and have it fork off 700 processes and
              make soda unusable for the other 170 users, Mr. edelson.
              \_ We've been keeping an eye on you for some time, Mr. Edelson.
        \_ I think it's funny that the non-undergrads are complaining that
           the undergrad is using the machine paid for by undergrad money.
           \_ Soda was donated.
              \_ Don't confuse the issue with facts.
                 \_ Fact.  The nettap sure as fuck wasn't donated.
                    Fact. If you want the K6-200 back, go get it.
                    Fact. Last i checked it was running redhat anyway.
           \_ There's actually a significant difference between "using the
              machine" and "bringing the machine to its knees".  The latter
              affects more than just non-undergrads.
2002/10/19-21 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:26254 Activity:nil
10/18   How do I change the font size of the menus in mozilla?  I'm using
        the qt-toolkit.
        \_ I thought mozilla used gtk.
           \_ It maintains a layer of abstraction above the toolkit.
        \_ Mozilla is prefect in all ways.  It needs no changes.
2002/10/18 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers, Computer/SW/OS/Solaris] UID:26248 Activity:nil
10/18   How do I tell plain old Netscape 4.76 for Solaris to not allow
        any pop-up windows?
        \_ I think you upgrade to a newer version of Netscape. Or you
           could try the Solaris version of Opera, the fastest browser
           on earth.
        \_ Disable java entirely or install mozilla1.1.
           \_ javascript, twink
2002/10/7-8 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:26122 Activity:high
10/6    Is there a way to make internet explorer not make any sound? I listen
        to music on my computer all the time but i hate it when I go to a
        website and some ad plays music or makes some stupid noise.
        \_ Tools > Internet Options > Advanced > Multimedia, uncheck
           "Play sounds..." ... won't help for audio that comes from
           Flash or other plug-ins, though.
        \_ I believe the sound you're wishing to turn off is the one labeled
           "Start navigation"... that's the click you hear each time you
           hit a bookmark or traverse menus.
           \_ "... and some ad plays music"
              \_ nice
2002/10/1-2 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:26067 Activity:nil
10/1    The source of all true news on the internet:
2002/9/26 [Computer/Domains, Computer/Networking, Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:26012 Activity:high
9/25    I see ppl on the internet say "gg" to each other in a derogatory
        fashion. What the fuck does that mean? Damn internet.
        \_ blame starcraft, good game
           \_ internet chess way b4 starcraft
        \_ it means vagina in mandarin.
           \_ I thought mandarin was a tonal language so it matters how you
              pronounce it, not how you spell it.
              \_ I think (s)he just made it up.
           \_ uh, it actually means penis.
2002/9/16-17 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers, Computer/SW/OS/Windows] UID:25903 Activity:high
9/16    what is a good usenet news reader for windows?
        \_ NewsFerret.  Hard to find, but great for searching.  -John
        \_ outlook bar none.
           \_ Yeah.  non-buggy newsreaders are for wimps
        \_ Agent.
              BNR(Binary News Reader) is good if you are only downloading binary
           \_ Start with Free Agent. Upgrade to Agent if you like it. Also,
              BNR(Binary News Reader) is good if you are only downloading
              binary files.
           \_ Agent sucks cause it doesn't view pictures inline.
              \_ Iview.  Tag and execute dozens at a time, each gets it's own
                 no frills window and you can get off on a few pics while the
                 next 50+ are loading.  ;-)  Better than inline.
        \_ I can't believe Sodians didn't mention Xnews.  I used to use
                           \_ Is it installed on Sodia?
           Agent myself, stumbled to this Xnews on accident because Agent
           had some problem with Netscape.  Once i switched to Xnews,
           there is no turning back.  Xnews has almost all the good stuff
           Agent has (i.e. regex filter), but lighter and it's FREE.
           only problem i have is to display different languages in
           different groups.  Xnews' website is not reliable, do a google
           and search for keyword for "Xnews" and "Luu Tran" for other
           downloading site
           \_ What if the only thing I'm doing is download yenc encoded multi-
              part binaries?  Is Xnews better for that than Agent?
              \_ if that's all you care about, try GrabIt
         Or use yProxy
        and use any newsreader
                 you want.
                 \_ It's all I care about.  Thanks for the links.
2002/9/12 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:25862 Activity:nil
9/12    What some ex-dot commers are doing:

Subject: Re: annoying message about cookies doesnt work for MOZILLA

Dear d

 Thank you for your letter. I apologize at this time we are not compatible with

 I apologize for this inconvenience.


Sarah Abruzzese
Customer Care

d wrote:

> hi there
> My cookies have been set to "Enable all cookies" for my browser Mozilla 1.0
> (which is NOT the same thing as Netscape, which your code seems to think is
> the same thing [yes, I know that Mozilla is commonly known as Netscape, but
> it's a different story]).  Yet I still cannot get past that annoying "Knowing
> more about our audience" page.  I am able to view the rest of the pages fine
> using IE and Netscape (4.7).
> PLEASE FIX THIS BUG.  I find it hard to believe that no other Mozilla user
> has brought this to your attention.
> d
        \_ whoopie. now use another browser.
           \_ no I think it's called "losing visitors".
                \_ it's the original poster who loses in that case,
                   not the washington post. one lost visitor means
                   nothing to them.
              \_ no. LOTS of sites dont work w/ nscp4.x and mozilla and
                 netscape 7. That's how it is now, move to IE like the
                 rest of the world or suffer.
                 \_ I've been using mozilla 1.0/1.1 and except for a few minor
                    font size errors everything has worked fine.  --!sheep
                        \_ mozilla 1.1 allows you to set a minimum font size.
                           Rockin'.  -tom
2002/8/30 [Computer/Networking, Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:25738 Activity:high
8/28    Is 22 KB/sec an average rate for a download over cable or DSL?
        \_ Uh, well, depends where you're downloading from. If it's from a
           fast site, you should be able to get a lot better.
            \_ <DEAD><DEAD>.  Actually I think I am a moron:  Via Lynx,
               I'm downloading the slackware iso onto my laptop.  I cleared
               690MB for the 673MB file, but it's writing to a temp file
               that is currently 535MB. Once it's finished, will it be able
               to write the finished file while it erases the temp file?  I
               think I should have used wget.
2002/8/29-30 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:25728 Activity:high
8/29    Anyone remembers when Netscape Communicator 4.8 was first released?
        \_ Why does Netscape keep on releasing newer 4.x versions when there
        \_ Why does Netscape keep on releasing newer 4.x versions when they
           are already doing 6.x versions?
           \_ And now 7.x
        \_ google "netscape release history"
        \_ Does AOL profit from Netscape browser now that it's free?
           \_ If it hurts MS it profits AOL.
2002/8/28-29 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:25714 Activity:moderate
8/28    Is anyone using mozilla with outlook as your mail/address program?
        When I install browser-only I don't have any email options, when I
        install the full thing, it will only use mozilla mail which is
        useless in my office environment.  I had this very "Microsoftish"
        feeling about the way they ignored my default mail client settings.
        This is windows 2000, office 2000, mozilla 1.1.  Thanks!
        \_ Did you try checking your Internet options (applications)?
           \_ Yes.  Mozilla just ignores my windows settings.  Fuck mozilla
              and their fascist control freak tactics stolen right out of
              the MS playbook.
                \_ geeze, how often do you click on a mailto link anyway?
                   Take a deep breath.  And do a fucking Google search,
                   since this is answered in the Mozilla FAQ.
                   \_ I did a google search and found an _experimental_ set of
                      options to change from someone who was iffy on if they
                      even worked.  I can't afford to fuck up my work mail on
                      a "geeze maybe".  As far as how often I need this, the
                      answer is obviously, "more often than you".  Back to IE6.
                      At least MS lets me change options without searching
                      google for half assed unsupported answers and they just
2002/8/23-24 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:25664 Activity:nil
8/23    I hate how some popup adds mimic a win32 window, hoping you
        accidentally press the fake "X" to close button.
        \_ That's nice. Disable popups or download Pop Up Stopper. Bye.
        \_ Yeah, it almost catches me offguard when a win32 window pops
           up in the middle of my ctwm setup.  Oh wait, Mozilla blocks them
           already.  Yay.
           \_ I'm using mozilla and like it better than ie in every way except
              it doesn't render as fast, some cut'n'pasting doesn't work right,
              and a few scripted pages still only work with ie but overall it's
              worth it.  I keep ie on my desktop for the few pages that just
              don't work right in mozilla.  Wish it was faster though.
2002/8/22-23 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers, Recreation/Humor] UID:25646 Activity:moderate
8/21    links or w3m?
        \_ is this like the hooker, santa claus, and easter bunny joke?
           \_ What's that joke?
           \_ I typed it but it does not work
        \_ definitely w3m.
        \_ Or lynx?
        \_ telnet foo 80 ; GET /
2002/8/19 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers, Computer/HW/Drives] UID:25604 Activity:moderate
8/18    anyone have a copy of the pc software "audiojacker" ?
        it seems to have disappeared from the search engines
        \_ what does it do? try <DEAD><DEAD> for TotalRecorder.
           It might be do what you want...
                \_ i get domain not found for <DEAD><DEAD>
                   \_ read more carefully.  or just search google.
                   \_ it's ... or just search google for
2002/8/6 [Computer/Domains, Computer/Networking, Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:25506 Activity:high
8/5     "Winning an argument on the internet is like winning a gold medal
        at the Special Olympics -- even though you're the champ, you're
        still a retard."  Talk amongst yourselves.
              because you're too superior? _/
        \_ Troll, then what are you doing on the motd?  Oh yes, trolling. bye.
        \_ That you (the op) are retard has already been established,
           no need to argue about it.
        \_ I thought it was well-put.
           \_ You sound like someone who loses arguments all the time.  There's
              nothing special about the internet.  If you can't win on the net,
              you can't win in the real world either.  You're intellectually
              weak and should stick to your current career path where the big
              debate is whether or not premium makes a non-premium car run
              better or not.
              \_ Arguing between two intellectuals is one thing. But you're
                 never gonna win an argument against a person whose sole
                 argument is something like "L1Nux blows! W1nd0ze rewls!" It
                 doesn't matter how many facts and common sense points you
                 bring. You're fighting maturity, which is a no-win
                 situation. Arguing face-to-face, you at least know who
                 you're dealing with, a 45 year-old CEO or a 12 year-old punk.
2002/8/5-6 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:25502 Activity:high
8/5     Are there any browers that can disable popup and still run javascript?
        I think it's the javascript that does the poppping right?  Opera
        is the most customizable brower around and I don't see that option.
        \_ Mozilla?
           \_ ding!  i don't know that opera is "more" customizable then
        \_ In Opera 6, hit "F12" and click "Refuse pop-up windows." You don't
           have to disable javascript.
           \_ mozilla is better, because you can disable "unrequested"
              pop-ups without disabling all pop-ups (which breaks a lot of
              stuff).  -tom
                \_ Yeah, I know what you mean, but mozilla is too slow.
                   Any way to make mozilla load faster?
                   \_ Runs fine for me on a p3-600.
                   \_ If you have lots of ram, enable quicklaunch. Otherwise,
                      not really.
                   \_ I've got moz1.0 on a p3-600 with tons of ram and quick
                      launch on.  Loading up is fast enough but display is
                      still visibly slower than ie6 on the same box.  I think
                      it's just slower.  Maybe they'll fix that in 1.1 or 1.2
                      or something.  Even slower its still better surfing with
                      all the anti-ad spam features than ie6 with a swamp of
                      popups and banner ad crap, imho.  If you want fast and
                      anti-crap features try web washer.  google it.
        \_ OmniWeb
        \_ I use Popup-Stopper from It is GREAT!!!
           \_ Which version? Free or Pro or Companion?
2002/8/4-6 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers, Computer/SW/Apps/Media, Computer/SW/OS/Windows] UID:25490 Activity:nil
8/3     What plug-in do I need to play AVI's on my pc?
        \_ on Windows?  Windows Media Player?
        \_ i bet it's divx avi.  search the web for divx codecs
           \_ if so, and you're not planning on doing encoding, install
              ffdshow instead.
              It'll decode divx3/4/5 and xvid video and has good
              postprocessing control. --jameslin
2002/7/1-2 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:25252 Activity:very high
7/1     Seems to bm like the ultimate new web browser feature would be a way
        for the browser to restrict/block web pages from popping up new
        windows.  But, for business reasons, we'll probably never see this.
        Sort of like the tire companies not letting LA build a subway system.
        \_ Netcaptor, you fucking idiot.
        \_ Hi kinney!  Your drivels are getting shorter all the time.  What
           \_ kinney hasn't logged in since Friday.
              \_ Paolo does it for him.
        \_ Mozilla.  New to this whole computer thing?
           \_ Go read and learn something you fucking commie
              \_ Hi ultra-leftist-idiot-pretending-to-be-ultra-rightist-idiot.
                 No cookie, troll.
                 \_ Why don't you go to Texas and learn something you fucking
                    commie liberal.
                    \_ Yawn.  Still no cookie.  Like to try again?
                       This doesn't even qualify for Intro To Troll-1A.
        \_ what tire companies are these?
           \_ Didn't you see Roger Rabbit?
        \_ Konqueror.  There are Other Browsers, ya know.
                       \_ Yeah, you forgot about lynx. or links.
                          \_ Or w3m.
                             \_ telnet hostname 80; GET
                                \_ w3m is a far cry from telnet to port 80.
                                   hell, it's a far cry from lynx.  try it
                                   out sometime.  you'd be surprised.
           \_ not for long, not if MS/Palladium has its way.  You'll take
              the software they give you, and you'll like it, and you'll
              pay for its use (not _for_ _it_. you dont get to own software
              any more, only rent it).
              \_ But it'll make me safe from all those viruses!
2002/6/27 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:25218 Activity:kinda low
6/26    more re: mozilla
        form auto-completion seems much more lame than in IE. Other people
        experienced this? Solution?
        \_ Use IE for forms, e-banking/investing etc. Use Mozilla + Tabbed
           browsing for google searches, cvs-web, reading mailing list
           archives, forums, etc. (IE Don't do any real work with mozilla)
           \_ damn... so form completion just sucks in Mozilla? I was hoping
              there was a module or something I could d/l to make this
              better. maybe someone should write one.
        \_ Huh?  What's wrong with Moz form completion?  Works for me.  I
           haven't noticed anything.
2002/6/26-27 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:25207 Activity:high
6/26    If you use mozilla, you are a terrorist.
        Iff you ride linux, you are a communist.
        If you listen to bootleg slim shady, you are an anarchist.
        If you have dark skinned foreign colleagues, you are a traitor.
        GOD is not protecting America and Enron/Worldcom is collapsing
        all and only because of the EVIL likes of you.
        \_ And Andersen too?
           \_ Yes, Andersen was caused by your impure thoughts when you
              drove by the high school.
                \_ Or junior high these days.  Seen what 13 year olds look
                   like these days?  Damn!
2002/6/26-27 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:25203 Activity:high
6/26    Mozilla: wow.  I was down on the mozilla project for a long time but
        now that I've been using final product since it came out I've gotta
        say it's really damned good.  Switched from ie6 to moz1 on all my
        machines at work and home.  Tabbed one click browsing just simply
        rocks.  Finally having control over popups and other js crap without
        third party plugins rocks.  Great stuff.  -- ex-anti-mozilla zealot
        \_ If you're not using IE, you're anti-American.
           \_ What about people who use OmniWeb or Netscape? They are
              commercial US products.
              \_ But they're not Microsoft.
                 \_ So using non-M$ products makes you anti-american?
        \_ You fucking long-haired hippie liberal free-loader
           \_ I may be a hippie, and I may be a free-loader, but I'll be
              damned if I have long hair.
        \_ just switched myself. cool. Any keyboard shortcut to switch
           between tabs?
           \_ Ctrl+PgUp or Ctrl+PgDown
        \_ no google toolbar for mozilla? Can't live w/o the Google Toolbar.
           \_, answering my own question
           \_ Don't really need it.  You can set your preferences to query
              google when you enter text into the URL box and hit tab.
2002/6/16-17 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:25114 Activity:moderate
6/16    Remember Lynxgate, that Washington Times inspired witch hunt?
        Here is what really happened. Of course, they will not issue
        an apology.
        \_ Nice unbiased source.  I love how they dismiss the case of the four
           murdered firemen.
        \_ Um, no.  I don't remeber this at all.  Are you sure you're not
           taking some incredibly minor issue that was poorly reported on and
           using it to push your own agenda?  If so, get used to
2002/6/12-13 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:25080 Activity:moderate
6/11    Anyone going to the Mozilla Release Party tomorrow?  Anyone
        interested in carpooling and/or splitting cab fare? -dans
        \_ where/when/what city
        \_ I wanna go! I wanna go! Let's jus take my car after returning the
           keg. What say you? ,wllm
           \_ bring pocket protectors.
              \_ And be sure to wink at the ladies. They love that.
                 \_ So do the men.
2002/6/8-9 [Computer/SW/Database, Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:25042 Activity:low
6/8     Where's the best, free, most complete MSDS web site?
        \_ if you're really concerned about the health risks of a
           material, don't just read the msds.  that's just a
           place to start.
        \_ I don't know about best, but we used this one in chem 3B:
           It's linked from the chem 3B website:
                \_ Thanks, that's just what I was looking for.
2002/6/5-6 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:24999 Activity:high
6/6     Mozilla 1.0 Win32 install on /csua/tmp
        \_ Does it not suck?
           \_ It does indeed not suck. I was expecting it to suck, and it
              ain't sucking.  -- former non-believer who last tried it at 0.8
                                 and thought it's a piece of crap until trying
                                 1.0 this morning
        \_ Is there a solution to how slow mozilla/netscape is loading
           \_ Loads within about 5 sec on this p200, 64M ram, win98
              running (not my choice) and an @home tap. (quickstart
              thing disabled fwiw)
           \_ hope the bbc gets a clue?
           \_ loads pretty fast for me. --scotsman (freebsd)
             \_ Perhaps, I'm using my freshly downloaded win32 install.
                \_ Are you using the mozilla quick-start thingybutt?
        \_ takes forever to start on my laptop (512 mb of ram) and is much
                slower than IE. The RDF mail/news is cool tho.
           \_ your laptop sucks then, or you need to defrag in the worst way.
                \_ and defrag is related to memory/CPU how? Get a clue.
2002/6/3 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:24975 Activity:nil
6/1     How to 0wNZ the internet by our own nweaver:
        \_ This is just a big conspiracy to take away my p2p
           pr0n/warez/mp3/divx client in the dorms!  kazaa forever!
2002/5/22-23 [Transportation/Car, Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers, Transportation] UID:24913 Activity:very high
5/22    Is the campus administration going to do anything about the
        network connectivity?
        \_ There's no problem with networ~{~#{}{@}NO CARRIER~~
           \_ Funny!
        \_ The problem with the network is fundamental--bandwidth usage is
           rising faster than bandwidth cost is falling.  Something will be
           done about it at some point, but it won't be something you'll
           like.  -tom
           \_ Like paying/packet or port blocking?
              \_ For example.  -tom
              \_ send the bill to reshall
                \_ The reshalls already pay for their own bandwidth, and
                   they don't affect the rest of the campus.  -tom
           \_ It'd be nice if the discussion regarding this was in a
              public forum.  A while back, there was some traffic
              regarding this topic on, but that has
              essentially come to a halt.
           \_ Has there been any discussion of traffic shaping?  It seems like
              it could offer a sensible solution to the problem. -dans
                \_ There already is some traffic shaping going on.  But it's
                   not a solution--web traffic alone is enough to trigger
                   the problem.  -tom
                   \_ Cap web traffic.
                        \_ get a clue.  -tom
                           \_ dude if web traffic is the problem, the answer is
                              to force proxy/cache it all and shape/cap the
                              traffic.  it'll be slower overall but won't
                              require infinite bandwidth.  you're really quick
                              with that 'get a clue' gun for someone who has
                              yet to propose your own alternative.
                           \_ I am actually curious why you don't consider
                              capping web traffic to be a possible solution?
                              Would a cap on web traffic degrade user
                              experience that badly?  Perhaps the resulting
                              drop in performance would discourage 'casual
                              browsing'?  How much could things be improved
                              via caching?
                                \_ Would you reduce traffic on a busy freeway
                                   by building a wall across one of the lanes?
                                   The web traffic is a good portion of the
                                   fundamental purpose of our network
                                   connection--to degrade its usage is to
                                   degrade the very reason we have the
                                   Internet.  Do some research on "the
                                   tragedy of the commons."  -tom
                                   \_ I'm well acquainted with the tragedy of
                                      the commons.  It is the plague of my
                                      everyday existence.  I'm just wondering
                                      if slightly sluggish web performance
                                      might not change people's browsing
                                      habits.  In effect, I'm not sure if your
                                      freeway analogy really applies here.
                                      Also, what about caching?  That
                                      seems to hold the possibility of
                                      significantly reducing traffic we send
                                      out to the commodity internet.  Or is
                                      there a reason why caching wouldn't help
                                      or is not viable for Berkeley? -dans
                                        \_ Changing people's browsing habits
                                           is exactly what you don't want to
                                           do.  The net exists to be used.
                                           As for caching, we have an Akamai
                                           farm on campus already.
                                           One of the major points of the
                                           original article on the tragedy of
                                           the commons is that there exist
                                           problems with no technical solution.
                                           \_ The net exists to be used not
                                              abused. If you have a bunch of
                                              stupid users who are constantly
                                              fetching uncachable content like
                                              slashdot or any of that web
                                              services bs, the best thing to
                                              is to discourage such behavior
                                              by making it harder/slower to
                                              get data from such places. Once
                                              people stop abusing the net,
                                              the problem is solved.
                                              the problem is solved. This
                                              problem *HAS* a technological
                                              soln., its just that you don't
                                              like that soln. because it means
                                              you and your '1337 buddies can't
                                              get their net fix.
                                              \_ Damn, I just did the math
                                                 with a few conservative
                                                 assumptions and the bits/user
                                                 is insanely high. buncha pigs.
                                                 \_ gee, how many users of
                                                    Berkeley web sites are
                                                    there?  -tom
                                           \_ akamai farm? so what?  that's not
                                              caching what people are using, it
                                              is caching what other people are
                                              paying to have cached.  not quite
                                              the same, eh?
                                              \_ Technically an akamai farm
                                                 can be used as a cache in
                                                 addition to a cdn. I hope
                                                 that TPTB are smart enough
                                                 to do at least that much.
                                                 \_ wanna bet?
                                           \_ Is the web traffic
                                              predominantly upstream or
                                              downstream?  If it's
                                              downstream, could the
                                              bandwidth be supplemented
                                              with load-balancing across
                                              cheap asymmetrical
                                              \_ Our aggregate net usage is
                                                 weighted towards outgoing
                                                 traffic, though the disparity
                                                 isn't enormous.  In any case,
                                                 DSL (if that's what you're
                                                 talking about) isn't "cheap"
                                                 for this kind of usage. -tom
        \_ The Campus Net Wants To Be Free!
        \_ "tragedy of the commons": the newst kewl motd phrase.  just toss
           this phrase around enough and you don't need to research or propose
           any other solutions.
           \_ The Tragedy Of The Commons Daniel McFadden, 09.10.01
              Warning on the Net's shared resources
2002/5/15 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers, Computer/SW/Unix, Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:24837 Activity:insanely high
5/15    My boss wants me to track what websites a user visits. The user is
        smart enough to delete their history every time they log out (tweakui?)
        Any recommendations for UNIX/NT software to do this?
        \_ You can use a network snooper but I question what will be
           accomplish by tracking what websites your own workers visit.
           \_ There could be the case of the person visiting inappropriate
              sites. However, in this case, the person (a secretary) tells
              everyone that she has way too much work to do, but all the other
              secretaries say that she just surfs the web all day.
        \_ When installing a network snooper, where do you put it? Doesn't
           it depend on whether the user is connected to a switch or a hub?
           \_ Yes a snooper won't work on a switched lan. A alternate soln.
              if you don't want use a caching proxy is to have your fw log
              all outbound http and ftp requests and then translate that to
              web sites. The problem with this is that you won't be able
              to catch request made to services like anonymizer.
        \_ Set up a caching proxy (eg. squid) and run it in transparent
           mode (your fw/router redirects port 80, 21, etc to the cache)
           and turn on max logging. You need to use transparent mode so
           that your users can't circumvent the cache and screw up your
           information gathering.
           Use perl to grok the cache's log files and generate a list of
           urls (or sites) per ip. Now use the dhcp server's log files to
           map IP to NIC and therefore to individual client systems and
           users (I'm assuming that most of your clients are mac/win boxes
           and have only one user). This should give you all the information
           you need and more.
           \_ Thanks! We have a cache (Symantec i-gear), but the user wasn't
              using it. I'll investigate how to get our router (no firewall)
              to forward requests.
              \_ One possible way is the set up the dhcp server to specify
                 the cache as the default router for the mac in question.
                 Then you setup the cache to re-route all traffic (except
                 for http traffic, which it handles) to the real rotuer.
                 \_ currently, we're still on static ip's/routes, but that's
                    something i'll look into
        \_ If she is not smart enough to also clear the disk cache, you can go
           to the cache directories and look at the content.  E.g. on NT,
           However, I think a better solution is to just keep track of her
           %USERPROFILE%\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5\ for IE and
           %SystemDrive%\Program Files\Netscape\Users\%USERNAME%\Cache\ for
           Netscape; for Unix, ~/.netscape/cache for Netscape.  You might not
           know which URLs she visited, but at least you can see the content
           of the pages.  Note that for IE some of the dirs and files are
           marked hidden or system, so you have to do "dir /a" to see them.
           However, I think the better solution is to just keep track of her
           activity at the proxy server.
        \_ Be careful of what you and your boss are doing.  Unless it's
           in your company policy, you shouldn't do this.  Your coworkers
           can sue the company for this tactic.
           can sue the company for this tactic.  If you're going to do this
           you better adopt a policy for this and have everyone in the company
           be aware of and agreeable to it.
           \_ Double check with your company's specific policy, but at
              most places the company owns the machine and all files on it
              if it is a work machine, and the company is allowed to
              access it whenever it wants.
              \_ if your company is going to do that, make sure it's in the
                 policy.  "Company owns everything" is too vague.  A good
                 lawyer will defeat that.  You can not do it in way it single
                 out an individual or in anyway showing bias.
              \- if the person you are trying to track is stupid, you can
                 use dug song's software ... that will basically sniff the
                 net, extract the urls and feed them to a netscape you run
                 so you more or less can watch the secretary "over his/her
                 shoulder". however really you probably want timestamped
                 logs, in which case just get tcpdump the port 80 traffic.
                 getting the urls in addition to dst addr is a little more
                 work but pretty simple. BRO can do this. --psb
2002/4/16 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:24447 Activity:kinda low
4/15    Is mozilla 1.0 worth the effort?  How stable is it?  thanks.
        \_ When they release it, I'll say.
        \_ I tried out .99.  Uhm yeah, ugly slow, did some weirdo things.
        \_ Yes, it is worth the effort. I have been using it on Linux for
           a while now. It is more functional and more stable than NS4 for
           Linux. I don't know about other OSes. You probably want to have
           at least a 400MHz P2 with plenty of RAM to run it comfortably.
        \_ I ran Mozilla 0.9x version. All i know that it is a lot slower
           than Netscape 4.7x.  I am running my Linux on a Pentium 180MHz
           with 96mb (plenty for other uses).    --kngharv
        \_ The latest .99 runs pretty well on my powerbook g3/400 under
           OS X. Its faster than IE in places and I really like tabbed
           browsing, but it can't download files properly and it pops up
           huge windows for each file that it downloads.
2002/4/11 [Computer/Networking, Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:24418 Activity:very high
4/11    Do you remember how everyone made fun of Al Gore for his
        comments regarding his role in creating the Internet?  I
        just read "Infrastructure for the Global Village" in
        _Scientific_American_ (September 1991, V. 265, N. 3, pp. 150-153)
        by Al Gore, and based on this article I think he deserves a lot
        of credit for encouraging the growth of the Internet.  Back in
        1991 almost nobody new anything about computer, but Gore was
        working on legislation and writing articles about it.  -emin
        \_ back in 1987, i think Al Gore logged onto xtrek, but i
           dooshed him outta da game
        \_ Back in 1987 I was using the internet everyday and it was old then.
           So what?  As an pre-cursor to the Al Gore Internet do I get a blue
           ribbon or something?  Let it go.  He lost.  He isn't coming back.
        \_ Do you mean "Scientific America"?  BTW I was sending internet e-mail
           from my WEB account in 1990, and I wasn't even a hacker type.  (WEB
           in those days officially stood for Workstations at Evans Basement,
           which you probably don't know.)
           \_ I thought magazine names were underlined in references
              (at least according to some sites I found via google
              <DEAD><DEAD>  Sure
              some people at one of the world's best CS departments new
              about the Internet, but how many other politicians did?
              I just thought it was interesting that people harrased him
              so much when he legitimately did something useful.  As the
              poster below noted, I guess overstating your achievements
              is a cardinal sin when it comes to public relations.  -emin
              \_ I suspect the politicians who funded the research for it
                 when building arpa net knew about it (before Al Gore had
                 PH#1).  Then again maybe it was a pork line item in some
                 random bill.
              \_ And how man politicians other than Gore knew the
                 difference between "new" and "knew"?
                 \_ Or can spell the word "many".
                 \_ "harassed"
              \_ 1. I was just wondering by "Scientific America_N_" whether you
                 were referring to Scientic America or a different magazine
                 that imitates or is a parody of Scientic America.  I wasn't
                 paying attention to the underlining.  2. How could Gore help
                 create the Internet in 1991 when it already existed?
        \_ I remember back then, there was also something called bitnet.
           \_ And uunet too.
        \_ Yeah, Gore deserves a lot of credit. He just overstated it.
        \_ Most of that was a Republican smear campaign:
2002/4/5 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:24330 Activity:nil
4/4     Under linux, some processes refuse to die (even w/ kill -9), such
        as Netscape and Xine. Do I have no option other than reboot?
2002/3/27-28 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:24252 Activity:moderate
3/27    I've started using Netscape Messenger for email but it always
        wants to append @@hostname.domain to each addressee I type in
        the To: field! Dumb question: how do I disable that. E.g. I want
        to email joe, but it always expands it to joe@@hostname.domain.
        This is also causing problem because if I type too fast it does
        not see "joe" listed as an alias in my addressbook.
2002/3/13 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:24096 Activity:high
3/12    what do you think about listening to internet radio or mp3s using
        computer at work?
        \_ how does this differ from bringing your CD player to work
        and listening to music?
        \_ depends on what work you are doing.  Tech Support?  Software
        \_ I think it's a fine idea.
        \_ Are you questioning a bandwidth or noise polution policy, or
           a time waster policy.  The former are valid concerns.  The
           latter is just stupid.  If the employee is being productive,
           taking away their music would be vindictive and pointy-haired.
           If they're not being productive, music is probably not their
           only problem. --scotsman
        \_ on a somewhat related topic, will this XM radio idea ever
           take off?
           \_ are you willing to pay $9.99 a month for it?
        \_ work shud never be fun.. stop fukn around and work.. -shac
2002/3/10-11 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:24066 Activity:low
3/9     Which one is better?  pgp4pine, MagicPGP, or PinePGP?
                        TIA             --kngharv
        \_ mutt.
        \_ Speaking of which, has anyone heard of a PGP plugin for the
           mozilla mail under *nix?  And no, I used mutt for years, but
           have found its imap support to break in my environment.  -John
           \_ fetchmail
2002/3/10-11 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:24065 Activity:low
3/9     I am running kde, it currently uses netscape to handle
        urls.  I want it to use netscape6.  where do i change
        this setting? - danh
        \_ depends, if you're highlighting and using the klipper, go to
           klipper - prefs-actions, and click on the RegExp for http.
2002/3/7-8 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:24058 Activity:high
3/7     How do I disable the "links" cache?
        \_ ?  lynx?
          \_ links is like lynx, but does better layout.
        \_ Ctrl-R to refresh.
2002/1/28 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA] UID:23689 Activity:high
1/27    So what's the functional difference between /csua/bin/webfmt and
        /usr/bin/fmt ? They seem pretty close to identical.
        \_ try using fmt with text cut/pasted from netscape
2002/1/26 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:23673 Activity:moderate
1/25    Does Lynx handle javascript?  I am limited to shell browser but
        cannot access pages with drag-down and pop-up boxes.  What options
        do I have beside Lynx?  Thanks a lot!
        \_ lynx/javascript: not that I've heard of and certainly not the
           bog standard version everyone is using.
           \_ Thanks, but what about any existing tools on csua or ocf?
                \_ w3m
2002/1/22-23 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers, Computer/SW/P2P] UID:23634 Activity:moderate
1/22    The problems with the Cory/Soda networks seems to be pretty
        widespread throughout campus.  Is the routing being handled by
        monkeys or something?  It's soooooooooooooo slooooooooooooooooooow.
        \_ Since about a week-and-a-half ago, the campus has been hitting
           its bandwidth cap on its link to the commodity Internet
           (70 megabits/sec).  About half of the traffic is kazaa/gnutella.
           CNS and the chancellors are trying to decide what to do about it.
           \_ So when did this bandwidth cap start, and why didn't CNS
              announce it in like they do all other service
              interruptions?  This reminds me of when then initiated the
              cap on the dorms and wouldn't tell Residential Computing what
              the "problem" was for 2 days.  -mikeh
                \_ The bandwidth cap has been in place since our OC12 was
                   installed--it's only recently been hit.  70 megabits/sec
                   is all the campus is paying for.  "bandwidth cap" is
                   somewhat misleading; we're talking about the size of
                   our pipe.  It wouldn't be any different than if we had
                   a 70 megabit/sec pipe.  Our current hardware connection,
                   if we let traffic run up to it, would give us about another
                   15 megabits, at a cost of $4500/month. -tom
           \_ That's easy.  Cut off the fucking dorms from anything but a web
              proxy/cache and locally hosted email.
                \_ "Every problem has a solution that's simple, elegant, and
                   won't work."  The dorms are already limited to a separate
                   40-megabit cap.  -tom
                   \_ So total campus bandwidth is 110?  Ok, ban it and start
                      executing p2p users.  It's all theft anyway.
                      \_ Bandwidth to the commodity net.  Internet 2 traffic
                         is not capped, or tapped out at this point.  (I think
                         our pipe is something like 650 megabits).  -tom
                      \_ just cut off their mouse hand.
                         \_ And in other news, masturbation drops 80% on
                            campus, survey says.
           \_ 70mb/sec =~ 8.7MB/sec?
        \_ So the 400ms+ ping roundtrip times are the result of a
           bandwidth cap?
           \_ they are the result of us hitting the limit of the bandwidth
              we are paying for, yes.  -tom
        \_ I suggest taking this to
2002/1/22 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:23633 Activity:nil
1/22    Is there a site that compares percentage of users of various browsers
        (Netscape vs. IE, vs. Mozilla, etc)?  Thanks.
2002/1/17 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:23582 Activity:nil
1/16    Mconst, is nlynx like links?  if not is it just a newer rev. of lynx?
        \_ I'm sure you have a man page or FAQ for it, no?
             \_ you are incorrect.                      \_ except this part.
2002/1/10-11 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:23522 Activity:moderate
1/10    Is Netscape 4.79 better (e.g. more stable) than 4.78?  I'm using 4.78
        and I want to see if I should upgrade.  Thanks.  (I don't want 6.x and
        I already have IE.)
        \_ 6.x != mozilla. me, I'd try mozilla. -chialea
2001/12/31-2002/1/2 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers, Computer/SW/Security] UID:23421 Activity:moderate
12/31   Anybody know what's going on with the National Park service web
        site?  It used to be the most complete web site on
        national parks and now it's gone.  What the hell?
        \_ I think it's a GWB VRWC conspiracy.  Soon it'll point to
        \_ Hacked by Chinese!!!
        \_ The ENTIRE Department of the Interior (which includes the NPS) was
           disconnected from the Internet by court order on December 5th (the
           result of a lawsuit against the government for poorly securing DOI
           computers handling Indian trust-fund accounts).  If you visit
  it'll tell you that the only Interior bureau currently
           allowed to connect to the Internet is the USGS.  -- kahogan
           \_ I'll bet this was a Bush appointed judge.
             \_ Needless to say, the systems found so insecure the DOI had
                to be forced off the net were windows based...
           \_ Does it only apply to only HTTP or does it apply to everything
              including e-mail?
2001/12/24-26 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers, Computer/SW/OS/Windows] UID:23361 Activity:high
        WASHINGTON, D.C. Attorney General John Ashcroft announced today
        that in three separate federal law enforcement actions federal
        agents executed approximately 100 search warrants worldwide
        against virtually every level of criminal organizations engaged
        in illegal software piracy over the Internet. The three Operations,
        codenamed "Buccaneer," "Bandwidth" and "Digital Piratez," struck
        at all aspects of the illegal software, game and movie trade,
        often referred to as "warez scene."
        \_ Yes, and?  So?
                \_ "worldwide".  -John
                   \_ Yeah, and, so?
        \_ The FBI is never going to stop warez. Warez is copying Office
           from your work machine to use at home. Warez is giving a copy
           of a game you bought to your friend. There is no way they can
           prevent this.
           \_ I'm so sick and tired of you hacker terrorists stealing
              MSOffice from work.  When will you figure out that you're
              causing billions of dollars of damage to the economy every
              \_ Stoping acting so cheap Bill.
              \_ Woohoo!
              \_ According to Microsoft, it's OK to install a copy at home,
                 at least under the Select program.  -tom
                 \_ Yeah like how many did that?  More like small company or
              \_ Don't worry, as soon as StarOffice 6 comes out of beta, I'll be
                 uninstalling MSOffice (my legal copy).
                    department in large company owns one copy and a cd writer.
                 \_ tom, don't you work for UC still?  doesn't MS still dump
                    all their sw on you for free?  for now?
                    \_ Yes, I work for UC, and no, MS doesn't dump software
                       for free, except on the EECS department.  -tom
                        \_ You mean you don't know anyone at EECS?  Your dept
                           actually pays MS for software??
                           \_ I know plenty of people at EECS, but no, my
                              college doesn't violate software licensing
                              agreements, even with Microsoft.  -tom
              \_ Don't worry, as soon as StarOffice 6 comes out of beta,
                 I'll be uninstalling MSOffice (my legal copy).
                 \_ yeah and reinstalling OfficeXP when you get annoying .xls
                    and .doc OfficeXP files that use PKI in interesting ways.
                    I can't even find o2k in the stores anymore!
                 \_ Sun needs to put way more money and time behind SO
                    before it is good enough for casual use.
                    \_ Money?  It's open source dude!  The Community will just
                       scratch that itch!
2001/12/18-19 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers, Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:23289 Activity:high
12/17   Has anybody gotten java+konqueror to work on freebsd?  Any hints?
        I really just want to play some applet games.
        \_ IE 6.0 on W2k.  Unix for servers.  Windows for surfing and games.
           What's so wrong with that?  Why are you busting your head open
           trying to force a great server OS to be a shitty desktop OS?
        \_ Haven't played with Konqueror, but am getting close to it, since
           I'm finding Mozilla under WindowMaker just too fucking instable
           for any sort of use.  -John
           \_ Have you gotten java to work with Mozilla?
              \_ I can't even get the 1.1.8 port to work (independently
                 even... kinda crappy).
2001/12/17-18 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:23278 Activity:very high
12/17   My mozilla crashes more often than netscape4, arrgh!
        \_ konqueror.
        \_ use IE on osx or vmware
           \_ OmniWeb on OS X is pretty good too.
        \_ opera, the fastest browser on this earth.
           \_ uh.  bullshit.  i bet ns3 is faster.  or w3m.
           \_ lynx.
              \_ w3m beats lynx hands down. Its much faster,
                 renders frames correctly, handles https properly,
                 and is much smaller (code and binary size).
                 \_ I prefer lynx. It is easier to read text
                    and move around with.
           \_ wget or telnet $host 80
           \_ Sure because it doesn't render pages half the time.
         \_ Mozilla is YA OH (overhyped) OSS POS project. It is
            no surprise it sucks.
         \_ And, in the YMMV category, it crashes much less for me
            (particularly ns4's annoying "you closed a window?  kaboom!")
            To boot, while it's slower for simple pages, it loads really
            complicated nested table pages much much faster.  --dbushong
        \_ I haven't been able to get Java to work under Mozilla. I'm running
           FreeBSD and clicked to download the Java plugin but it doesn't
           \_ I thought the jdk1.3 had issues with freebsd???
           install properly. Has anyone had this problem? (not really related,
           but while we're talking about Moz, I might as well ask).
2001/12/11-12 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers, Computer/SW/Security] UID:23214 Activity:very high
        \_ Does "Usenet newsgroups" mean all the newsgroups I can see when I
           run trn?  Are there newsgroups that are not Usenet newsgroups?
           \_ It means Usenet groups before the big re-org. talk.* and net.*
              stuff. It doesn't have my 1985 posts, but it does have some
              1986 stuff I wrote... It scares me.
        \_ Say, what newsgroup did the Ahm/Blojo incident happen in?
           \_ ucb.erotica.sensual, but I can't find the exact original posting,
              just aftermath signs such as:
              Anyone have the original ahm/blojo postings archived?
              \_ is this for real?  real or not, did it work?
                    Status: single
                    Must not have worked...
              \_ Hmm...what happened to Tawei?  He was quite a character.
2001/12/5 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:23142 Activity:low
12/5    Today I tried to login to via the secure page, and
        Netscape complains that the certificate that the site has presented
        does not contain the correct site name.  What's wrong?
        \_ It must be Carnivore.  The FBI is reading your mail and triggered
           a netscape bug.  Turn yourself in.
2001/11/25-26 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:23097 Activity:high
11/25   How do I disable pop-ups in mozilla?  I tried looking on the
        mozilla web site but couldn't find anything.  Thanks.
           \_ This site says to put the line
              user_pref("", "noAccess");
              into prefs.js.  However, in .mozilla/<user_name>/mz7te8m/prefs.js
              there is a line that says it is a generated file that I shouldn't
              modify.  Modifying the file to add the user_pref("...") line
              doesn't seem to stop popups.
                \_ It Works For Me. you may be in fact using mozilla
                   as user "default" - modify .mozilla/default/<hash>/prefs.js
                   and you have to restart mozilla for changes to take effect.
        \_ perhaps this depends on your build.  I just installed 9.6, and I
           use: user_pref("dom.disable_open_during_load", true);
           but when you insert this into prefs.js, you need to be all the
           way out of mozilla.  If quick launch is running in the background
           and you start a session, it doesnt seem to reload your prefs.
        \_ All browsers: turn over javascript.  Few real sites use it anyway.
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