7/17    Should I get VMWare Fusion or Parallels 4? I don't want to use
        VirtualBox because it's kind of slow.
        \_ Yes

2/20    Why flash ram will get you into trouble, in the long run:
        http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=669
        This is worse than over-clocking your computer. There's data
        involved.
        \_ What's your point? That flash supports a fairly limited number of
           write cycles? We knew that already.
           \- I am not the OP but dont think you're inquiry is very
              thoughtful. This may be another case of "physical difference"
              [between rotating mag storage and memory cell storage] cant
              be abstracted away by software emulation" [in this case
              focusing on the write/erase asymmetry]. An older example of
              this with another hyped technology was ATM emulation of
              Ethernet and the problem of doing broadcasts.

12/2    1000 lines about Vmware.  have you even tried to install
        Vmware 2.0?
        \_ if it's about messing around with virtualization at home, I've done
           quite a bit of tinkering already with VMWare, VirtualBox, etc.
           Again, CSUA-sanctioned virtualization is waiting on a better server,
           and Steven's free time. --toulouse

11/29   I'm experimenting with virtualization, and as a poor college student
        I'm wondering what the best alternatives for virtualization are, and
        how best to cut my teeth on messing with non-linux platforms (or I
        guess interesting stuff on Linux would work too). Right now I've got
        FreeBSD7 running on KVM on my home computer (on a Core 2 Quad), and am
        somewhat at a loss as to how to use it. (More details: bridged
        networking, disk is a 8GB partition software raid1'ed over 3 disks).
        In any case, KVM seems to just 'work', but as the CSUA is planning to
        offer VMs soon, I'd like to know if there are better alternatives,
        particularly considering that when I put my computer to sleep without
        shutting down the guest OS, the computer wouldn't start back up, I had
        to cold-boot, and the disk image got corrupted. From what I hear,
        VMWare's offering is solid, but the useful administration software is
        thousands of dollars. Ideally, free software or something sustainable
        without repeated donations of software, and easy to administrate would
        be best. Does anyone have suggestions? --toulouse
        \_ At my job, we use Vmware 2.0.  it is free.  i run vms.  there
           are graphical admin tools.  I could buy Vmware ESX, which gets
           me I guess better admin tools, better performance vmotion and fail
           over.
        \_ Someone here works at VMWare and was recruiting 2 years ago.
           Calling the VMWare guy! We need a free educational license!
           Oh well, he's probably not going to respond until Monday.
           Us old farts have kids and family things to go on weekends.
           Oh, try this. And yes we use VMWare in our company and it
           is really great. You can get snapshots of the machine, run
           multiple instances on a single machine (since most machines
           are underutilized). Our production servers are also in
           VMWare for superior bug isolation and debuggability:
           http://www.vmware.com/partners/academic
           \_ What, you mean CSUA alums have lives? Unthinkable! --toulouse
           \_ Isn't VMWare Server free?  That's what we use in our company.
              --- !OP
              \_ I don't recall the details, but while the server itself is
                 free, I think the administration interface is expensive.
                 Feel free to correct me on this. --toulouse
        \_ Here's the deal.  Vmware has two products.  The Free Version
           (Vmware 2.0) , and Vmware Server ESX ( not free. lots of $$$$ ).
           ESX is a different codebase than Vmware 2.0 free.  With ESX,
           you get better performance, better GUI tools, failover capability,
           and the ability to magically move your VMs from machine to machine.\
           freely available Vmware 2.0 has a gui too.
           and the ability to magically move your VMs from machine to machine.
           freely available Vmware 2.0 has a gui too.
                 \_ VirtualBox?
                    \_ virtualbox is a sun thing.  its not vmware.  it
                       has its strengths and weaknesses
           \_ ESXi, the hypervisor, is actually free, it seems, but the magical
              admin tools are a part of ESX and not ESXi:
              http://www.vmware.com/products/esxi
              Anyways. Paging VMWare employees...anyone here?
              --Andy
              Anyways. Paging VMWare employees...anyone here? --toulouse
              \_ dude are you running a root name server?  Vmware 2.0 is
                 just fine.
                 \_ doesn't mean ESX wouldn't be better ;). Ease of admin is a
                    real concern for us, and besides, if the software is
                    satisfactory, we might even virtualize soda itself. Given
                    time, if we got another server with virtualization
                    extensions, failover would be a large win. As you may have
                    noticed from recent downtime, Keg's been on the fritz
                    lately, so uptime's been on our minds. Without failover,
                    we're back to square one re: evaluating KVM vs VMWare vs
                    others, hence this thread. Besides, there's an argument to
                    be made that if we have experience managing the good stuff
                    here in college it'll be what we're qualified to manage once
                    we strike out in the real world, and/or the software that we
                    recommend to our superiors should we get relevant jobs
                    (which, arguably, a few of us will). --toulouse
                    here in college it'll be what we're qualified to manage
                    once we strike out in the real world, and/or the software
                    that we recommend to our superiors should we get relevant
                    jobs (which, arguably, a few of us will). --toulouse
                    \_ I guess.  Really, I think Vmware 2.0 is adequate.
                       There are plenty of cheapass companies out there running
                       it.
                    \_ You know, when I was a poor college student, I
                       wasn't very picky. Seriously, the two may have
                       different features that you'd need in the enterprise
                       environment, but are you running an enterprise?
                       \_ Well, I'm not picky wrt/ using what works for me
                          (which, as I mentioned before, is KVM), but I
                          want the CSUA to be a bit more ambitious in its
                          endeavors, and as they say, shoot high, aim low
                          (is that the right saying?). Plus, there's the
                          fact that our vp is not paid, so minimizing the
                          addition to his workload while offering more
                          students to members is also a factor. In any
                          case, I think it'd be prudent for us to see if a
                          software donation is feasible, and if not, what
                          our other options are then. This is something
                          that can wait a bit, as we're waiting on those
                          core i7's. --toulouse
                               \- (80cols ... reformatted)
                          \_ well if this is about the CSUA rather than
                             personal edification, how about first dealing
                             with the frequent crashes/outages of soda ...
                             or is this an attempt to do so? [this seems
                             odd to me, but whatever]. second, to abuse
                             a quote a bit, "software is the continuation of
                             policy by other means" ... "what [csua] problem
                             are you trying to solve" [via this software, via
                             donation campaign/new hardware etc]. BTW, with
                             regard to giving csua people experience with
                             expensive tools, i actually think part of the
                             reason a lot of ex-csua people have been
                             successful systems people is they resorted
                             to hacking togethe things and thus understanding
                             how they work under the hood, rather than
                             throwing money at the problem [hardware and
                             softwarewise] ... i'm not saying you should say
                             solve all problems that way ... like if you need
                             disk space today, just go buy a cheap disk
                             rather than scrounging, but just the observation
                             in the past, some of this hacking to debug
                             something or getting it to work (and much of
                             this was pre-google) served people well.
                             \_ Yep, real learning comes as part of the
                                struggle. In some sense, it would be better
                                for students not to primarily have experience
                                with enterprise software packages since
                                these are made "easy to use" for the corporate
                                drones who wouldn't survive if they had to
                                have any real degree of understanding of how
                                the system actually works.
                             \_ Well, the learning I was looking for when
                                putting the idea forward (since I suggested
                                it) was geared towards people exposing
                                themselves to different OS'es and playing with
                                root in a sandbox. This is the problem I want
                                to solve, not training people in enterprise
                                applications. Also, soda hasn't been crashing
                                -- it's been keg, which serves our LDAP, that
                                (as I said before) has been on the fritz. If
                                keg goes down, then logging in does not work.
                                Politburo intends to buy a new server for
                                this; however since the Core i7 is coming out
                                we don't want a purchase now to be obsolete
                                upon arrival. We have the opportunity now to
                                solve two problems at once: allow interested
                                members access to their own personal VMs, and
                                increase stability of our servers. We can most
                                definitely do without failover, but then the
                                uptime problem isn't as completely solved.
                                The idea of getting students experienced in
                                adminning VMWare may be of low priority for
                                the CSUA as a whole; on the other hand, it is
                                (IMO) the strongest argument to be made to
                                VMWare.
                                In summary (and in my opinion) -- high
                                priorities are increasing uptime and developing
                                skills with adminning systems.
                                low priorities are developing VMWare admin
                                skills and...well, steven should be coming on
                                soon to offer his opinion. --toulouse
        \_ Can't you request a free license for VI3 from VMware at
           http://www.vmware.com/partners/academic
        \_ You could try virtual box from Sun, it is free and runs many x86
           OSes:
           http://www.virtualbox.org
           http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Guest_OSes
           Re VMWare - Fusion for OSX is very nice and quite affordable (I've
           seen it on sale recently for as little as $30). It has GUI admin
           tools and the unified mode makes using windows apps almost like
           using native OSX apps.
           I'm currently using Fusion to run WinXP and Ubuntu and have used
           it in the past to run Solaris x86 and FreeBSD as well. I usually
           run XP and OSX concurrently and haven't ever had any problems with
           the XP VM getting corrupted when I sleep my iMac. If you have a Mac
           I'd recommend getting it.
           \_ I don't think you understand what he's trying to do.
              \_ Maybe I misunderstood, but isn't part of what he is trying to
                 do is becoming more familiar with non-linux systems ("I'm
                 wondering ... how best to cut my teeth on messing with non-
                 linux platforms"). If he has a mac, Fusion is a good way to
                 accomplish this - it can run Solaris, Linux, *BSD, Windows,
                 &c. and will help him get a feel for those systems. Virtual
                 Box, while not as nice as Fusion (at least on Mac), is a
                 free way to accomplish the same.
              \_ These are two different objectives.  I'm talking about setting
                 up VMs as a service for CSUA so we can consolidate our machines
                 while maintaining some sort of security and OS diversity (linux
                 + BSD at least)  If toulouse wants to learn about
                 virtualization
                 of course Fusion is a good option (he does have a mac), but
                 that's a different aim.  --Steven
                 up VMs as a service for CSUA so we can consolidate our
                 machines while maintaining some sort of security and OS
                 diversity (linux + BSD at least)  If toulouse wants to learn
                 about virtualization of course Fusion is a good option (he
                 does have a mac), but that's a different aim.  --Steven
        \_ Hey guys - Steven here
           Thought I'd weigh in on the situation.  The recent outages have
           indeed been because Keg has been crashing (as presumably toulosue
           pointed out) and I'm fairly sure it's a hardware issue.  We're
           simply running too much IO through the (decently old) system
           and parts of it have already failed (we've lost one of the
           ethernet controllers already) so I'm willing to blame the system
           instead of the software.  That said, we're hoping to buy a massively
           cool system when Core i7 Xeons come out (thinking 16+ cores).  At
           that point it seems reasonable to look at virtualization.  I've
           used Fusion and Virtualbox in the past, so I'm not new to it
           by any means - but one of the requirements is that it's easy to
           admin/use.  The issue here is the host OS - I'd like to use ZFS for
           the disk array we'd need to have to back all this.  Linux doesn't
           seem to have a very good filesystem for this sort of thing - ext4
           isn't stable, btrfs is still even further off, ext3/LVM is pretty
           hacky, JFS/XFS really really need battery backups to not lose data,
           and reiserfs's future is very unstable.
           ZFS offers ZVOLs which seem to be perfect for giving out virtual
           partitions.  Right now we have Soda mounting off of Keg via NFS
           which as you may have noticed is a serious performance and stability
           problem, so I'd prefer not to go with NFS again.  The network FSes
           out there all seem to suck in one way or another, so local storage
           (especially for something like this) seems to be a must.
           Since that limits us to using FreeBSD or OpenSolaris as a host OS
                                         \_ or OSX, see:
                                         http://preview.tinyurl.com/5zo987
                                         [developer.apple.com - zfs(8)]
                                         \_ We're not rich enough to buy a
                                         Mac Pro/XServe :(
           (unless Linux ends up having a decent fs by the time we actually
           get this running).  Virtualbox doesn't seem to work well on FreeBSD
           (as in not at all) and Xen seems to not play nicely with either
           BSD or Solaris as a dom0.  VMWare won't run on BSD either - not
           sure about Solaris, which is why I was looking at ESX.  The problem
           with ESX is that it runs on only about 3 supported hardware
           configurations which are pretty hard to build on our budget.
           Discuss?
           I'll hang around and maybe get into this whole motd thing ;)
           \_ Virtual Box on OpenSolaris w/ ZFS sounds like it would probably
              work.  I used to know some OpenSolaris people when I was at sun,
              and could probably put you in touch with them if you run into
              problems. -ex-Sun
              \_ That'd be neat, I'll do so if we go that route and have
              troubles

6/11    To the person who asked about VirtualBox...
        I just tried it out with XP and Vista as the guest OS and it seems as
        feature-complete and responsive as VMware.  USB devices mount nicely
        and can be filtered well.  I haven't tried a network share between the
        host and guest though.
        \_ Does USB 2.0 devices work?  Thx.  (not the original person who
           asked about VirtualBox)

6/10    Is there a handy guide to virtualizing an already running
        physical linux box into an instance of Vmware?
        \_ this probably isn't the "right" way, but I have many times
        just run rsync. ("rsync -vpa root@oldbox:/ /")  on a fresh virtual
        image.  Just make sure the partitions are the same on the virt disk
        as on the real disk and if you are using a new udev, kill the info
        in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules before rebooting the
        virt).  I have not had any problems doing this.
        \_ I attended a talk where I *think* VMware mentioned a tool they
           provide to do this. Check their web site.
        \_ Yes.  You want VMware's p2v (Physical to Virtual) tool.

6/8     hey nerds, Virtualbox is totally awesome.  My host OS is
        current ubuntu, I'm running Windows as my guestos, I can transfer
        files, copy/paste, all of that crap
        \_ Cool, I was thinking of looking into this soon.  How well does
           it work?  Can I run most windows programs pretty well?  ActiveX?
           Games?
            \_ You might be confusing running a vm with 'wine' . -op
           \_ It runs all your windows programs... if your guest OS is windows.
              \_ Sure, but there could theoretically be issues with drivers.
                 Say the video drivers don't interface properly so you can't
                 play 3D games.  Or performance is too poor.
                 \_ Running your 3D games in a VM will never work very well.
        \_ How does it compare to vmware workstation?
           \_ http://www.virtualbox.de/wiki/VBox_vs_Others
              \_ There we go:  3D acceleration:          no
               \_ The big VM players are working hard at getting 3D acc
                  support.  It's gonna happen sooner or later.  5 years ago
                  VM for anything real was a bit of a crapshoot.
              \_ I was really asking from a more qualitative perspective.
                 How's the speed, usability, reliability, etc. compared to
                 vmware workstation? Okay, so some of those can be quantified,
                 but you know what I mean.

5/9     Do any sodalites work at VMWare? If so, please contact me as
        I have a question about scaling to ask you. -ausman
        \_ Tell us how scaling will affect the housing market!

12/3    Has anyone seen this VMware problem before?  When I have one or two
        VM session running, Task Manager on my host machine shows that the
        vmware-vmx.exe processes uses 0% CPU time when the VMs are idle.
        However, when I have more sesssions (maybe 4 or more) running, Task
        Manager shows that each of the vmware-vmx.exe processes is using
        10-20% CPU time even though all the VMs are idle.  This eats up CPU
        cycles from my other processes.  I'm using VMware Server 1.0.3.  I
        have a HyperThread CPU and the "Number of processors" setting for my
        VMs are set to 2.  Thx.
        \_ What do you think of VMWare in general? We are evaluating it now
           for possible purchase.
           \_ What are you going to use it for?
              \_ Almost everything.  Production servers, dev and test
                 environment. Probably not for the database servers though.
                 Does that answer your question?
                 \_ No. It doesn't. What are you hoping to gain by using
                    VMWare?
                    \_ Server consolidation, better ability to manage
                       dev and test environments, hopefully a better DR plan.
                       \_ Sounds like VMware might work for you then. I've
                          used VMware since version 3 and I've been pretty
                          happy with it. I don't know if I'd transition
                          all of my hosts to VMs just yet, but it excels
                          in meeting the needs you have.
        \_ I've used VMware for about 4 years with debian as the host OS.
           it is fantastic. on my new intel macbook i use VMware Fusion.
        \_ Does TM say if this if kernel or user time?  Are you swapping?
           \_ Kernel time.  No the host machine is not swapping.  It has 2GB
              RAM, and the Commit Charge Total is around 1.8GB.

8/31    is this cooler than say kickstart or FAI or whatever
        the current cool way to admin 10000 machines is?:
        http://code.google.com/p/ganeti
        \_ This seems to be focused on managing Xen VMs and require
           the host to have Xen already installed.  I'm still a fan
           of cfengine, though it won't do the initial install.  But
           I have setup kickstart to just install cfengine at the end
           of the install and have cfengine take care of most of the
           configurations.
           \_ Is it a lot of overhead to have Xen running on every machine?
           \_ Why not use System Imager?
              \_ System Imager, as it was last time I looked, is fine if
                 you're managing bunch of machines with *identical*
                 configurations.  cfengine is more flexible and can work
                 across multiple platforms as well.  Also changing a
                 configuration doesn't involve re-imaging the whole machine.
                 \_ System Imager is more flexible than that. You can
                    propagate just the changes. I much prefer SI to
                    Kickstart. If you want to use cfEngine on top of that
                    then fine, but cfEngine solves a (mostly) different
                    problem.

6/28    VMware question:  The free downloads area list vmware player and vmware
        converter.  Isn't that enough to do everything?  Convert an existing
        windows box into a .vm image and use the free player to run it.
        What else do I need?  What do the other products like VMware
        workstation
        give me?  Their products page should have a big table listing all
        the major features and bullets showing which product has what.  I
        can't find that.  It's a confusing products page.  Thanks.
        \_ Workstation has some nice features like being able to save multiple
           snapshots and such which is good for developers.  The latest
           version of Workstation also has better hardware support and some
           other goodies.  There's also VMWare Server, which is a free product
           that can let you create VMs as well.  VMWare Server interface is
           limited to one snapshot per VM(though internally, it does keep
           previous snapshots in a linear fashion.  Workstation may offer
           snapshotting in non-linear states - I've never used the Workstation
           product when snapshots were in place.)

6/5     VMWare Server 1.0.0.3 vs. MS Virtual PC 2007, which is better?  Thx.
        \_ VMW is "better" for long term pseudo production use but VPC is
           easier to setup and get started.  VPC also has nearly zero options
           to tweak if your OS/apps aren't happy.
        \_ Don't have time to setup and learn about virtual machines? Don't
           care about performance? Just want to play around? Use VPC.
           Have lots of time to fine tune and optimize every little parameter
           out there for best performance? Love to tinker around with hundreds
           of options for production services? Use VMWare.

10/30   Can a hyper-threading CPU run two threads in two separate apps at the
        same time?  How does it handle the two different virtual memory
        mapping?  If I mostly run processes where only one thread is active,
        (e.g. compilation, SETI@home in background, VirtualPC or VMware
        instances), does hyper-threading help or hurt performance?  (I know I
        really should profile to find out, but I want to know the theoretical
        answer.)  Thx.
        \_ They get interleaved the same as anything else.  Go look up Intel's
           *very* well written white papers on the topic.  You won't find
           better answers anywhere else.
        \_ Intel has published several white papers on their site that explain
           in easily read English exactly how HT works.  You are unlikely to
           find a better explanation anywhere else.  Kudos to their doc
           writers on that one.
        \_ Virtual memory is not an issue.  As to the rest, unless you are
           doing stuff where getting about 1 percent more out of your cpu
           matters, don't worry about it.  Hyperthreading has a bit of
           performance hit in most cases but makes up for it by making
           the computer much more responsive at high load.  In a gui environment
           this makes you computer feel zippier and is worth the performance
           cost.
           \_ Actually, it makes the computer less responsive under a high
              load. Why? Because the CPU is trying to execute more
              processes than it has processors. Try this experiment: Run
              three jobs with a nice level of 20. Then run one interactive
              job. See how (un)responsive it is? Now turn off HT and
              repeat the experiment. I guarantee you it will be more
              responsive in the latter case.

7/13    help. using gnome suddenly my mouse stops working. I think it might
        be related to vmware. I'm able to switch over to a linux virtual
        terminal ... I killed the vmware processes ... but still no mouse.
        the mouse works in the virtual terminal. anything I can do besides
        restarting or restarting gnome? there is work in progress i'd
        rather not lose. thanks.

4/4     I'm setting up a simulated infrastructure for a client using
        a bunch of vmware sessions.  Originally we had these on different
        boxes, but I only have one machine available.  As there individual
        images require different subnets, can anyone think of an easy way
        to have vmware sessions on, say, 3 different subnets exist on the
        same physical machine and talk to each other via some sort of
        "virtual router"?  -John
        \_ Add a virtual interface for each subnet on the vmware host box
           and have it route.
           \_ This sounds like it would work.  I have considerable experience
              running many virtual interfaces on Linux and Solaris, email me
              if you want info on how to do it. -dans
              \_ it is hard to create virtual interfaces?
                 \_ No, it's a couple line changes in a config file (which one
                    varies by Linux distro or Solaris) or a manual ifconfig
                    invocation.  Of course, figuring out what config file and
                    what options takes a while if you don't know what you're
                    looking for and which man pages. -dans

1/25    is VMWare any good? have a job possibility there but
        dont want to end up in a dead ender..
        \_ From what I've seen, their server products are really taking off.

1/10    VMWare GSX is most similar to VMWare Workstation. GSX allows the
        console to be viewed remotely. GSX does require IIS to be installed
        to handle the web component on Windows, or apache on *nix. ESX is an
        OS unto itself... it runs on a modified Linux kernel, and all virtual
        machines use a different file format than Workstation / GSX. Also,
        installation and administration of VMs is always done via web browser
        or remote client, and not directly at the server's interface. The file
        system it uses is unique as well, called VMFS. All virtual machines
        must be created on a VMFS-formatted partition, and VMFS will not
        install on IDE drives in version 2.5 (never tested that in v2, so IDE
        drives may work, or may not). For more info see below:

http://www.techsoup.org/fb/index.cfm?fuseaction=forums.showSingleTopic&forum=2009&id=58530&cid=117&cg=searchterms&sg=vmware
        \_ Huh?  Is there a question here?  Why did you post this?
           --vmware employee
           \_ Your marketing dept. getting desperate.
           \_ Who cares, it's interesting.  -John
              \_ Interesting-- when German John features in shit eating porn.
                 Not Interesting-- when geeks participate in esoteric
                 tech discussions that will get outdated in 1 year and
                 will get outsourced to India sooner or later.
                 \_ That was yermom in a John mask.  And god forbid the
                    CSUA should host any tech discussions.  -John
                    \_ But there's nothing to discuss here.  The original
                       post is just statement of fact; there are no questions
                       to answer or any points to dispute.  As it is, it
                       seems like just an ad.
                       \_ No, it's a "hey, look at this, it's cool."  It is
                          interesting.  And something I normally wouldn't go
                          page through VMWare marketing crap to look for.
                          But hey, it's soda; don't like it?  Nuke!  -John
                          \_ What exactly is it so interesting about
                             something that no one uses or cares about
                             and will get obsolete soon anyways?
                                        -i hate computer science should
                                         have majored something else

6/17    I'm trying to use VMware Tools to "shrink" my Fedora Core 3 partition.
        Note that VMware "shrink" means to claim space not used by the
        vm so that the host will have extra space. This is important
        because when you create a big file in VMware and then delete it,
        the host still keeps the big file and wastes space. My problem is
        that VMware tool only recognizes /boot as something that is
        shrinkable while it doesn't know anything about /.
        How do I shink /? The following is df -k if you're curious:
        /dev/mapper/VolGroup00-LogVol00
                      81892056   4168044  73564116   6% /
        /dev/sda1     101086     12286     83581  13% /boot
        \_ ext{2,3}resize, then run VMware tools?

6/14    Does anyone know if it's possible to take an image of an installed
        XP box (such as via dd from a Knoppix CD) and boot it up in a vmware
        session?  If so, how?  -John
        \_ If you can take Ghost images, then P2V works currently.
           Supposedly support for LiveState Recovery images is coming soon.
           -rollee

6/8     I just had a closer look at the Rona.A trojan.  For anyone interested
        in this stuff, it's pretty cool:    http://tinyurl.com/d3947
        I recommend running it in a vmware session if you can get hold of
        a copy and sniffing outbound connections.  -John

5/26    Is it possible to create an image file from 5.25" or 3.5" drive?
        I'd like to create images of all of my 80s/90s diskettes, with
        games like Star Control II, King's Quest, etc and see if they
        play on VMWare or some emulator.
        \_ http://ntrawrite.sourceforge.net
        \_ I remember playing old 8088 (4.77Mhz) games on a 80386 (33Mhz)
           computer and the difference was amazing. Some old games didn't
           have speed controls built in and were actually unplayable. I
           just can't imagine playing them on a 4Ghz (4000Mhz) computer.
           \- Yes, you had to have jedi reflexes to play things like
              8088 defender or stargate on the machines that were
              .5-1 order of mag faster. It was good training.
           \_ DOSBox lets you slow things down.  There also are TSRs that
              would insert a lot of no-ops everywhere.
              \_ Whoa! Archon (1984) is supported!!! Now if only they'd tell
                 you how to rip from protected Archon disk to DOSBox...
                 \_ Just go download it.
                    http://www.the-underdogs.org/game.php?gameid=1784
                    http://www.the-underdogs.org/game.php?name=Archon+Ultra
                    \_ Image or EXE?
        \_ http://chitchat.at.infoseek.co.jp/vmware/vfd.html
           Create an image from a floppy, mount a virtual floppy (now that
           they're going away), etc.
        \_ Yes:   dd if=/dev/fd0 of=./floppy.image
        \_ IBM used to have a utility called DSKIMAGE around 1986-87.  I just
           searched the web and saw that Win Server 2003 has a utility with the
           same name.

4/19    How do I enter those funky 'o' with 2 dots, accented e, and other
        characters on my computer? And is motd non-English character compliant?
        \_ You mean the German umlaut? äüö
        \_ You mean the German umlaut? M-CM-$M-CM-<M-CM-6
        \_ Which OS?  And the motd is a text file.  Whether it supports
           UTF8 or Unicode or whatever is up to whatever programs people use
           to edit and to read the file, yes?
        \_ You mean àáâãäåæçèéêëìíîïðñòóôõöøùúûüýÿ
        \_ You mean M-`M-aM-bM-cM-dM-eM-fM-gM-hM-iM-jM-kM-lM-mM-nM-oM-pM-qM-rM-s\
M-tM-uM-vM-xM-yM-zM-{M-|M-}
        \_  ObHeavyMetalUmlaut r0x0rs:
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavy_metal_umlaut
            -dans
        \_ if you're in screen, screen-escape ^V o :

4/14    I'm a bit baffled by VMWare. Inside the VM, the reported disk usage
        is 2G. But outside the VM, the disk size is 5.6G even though I already
        1) defraged inside the VM and 2) defraged using VMware. Why is that?
        \_ You can specifiy whether you want to allocate a huge disk or only
           allocate as it's used.  Which did you choose?
        \_ VMWare has a checkpointed file system.  Good for "rollback" to
           known state. Not frags, but history makes the space larger than
           visible in the embedded OS.  I believe this is an option in the
           vmware setup / config.
        \_ I found the answer. You have to go to VMWare Tools inside your VM,
           and then select Shrink, Prepare to shrink, and then Shrink.

4/1     VMWare gurus, please help. I've configured my VMWare on my laptop and
        everything seems fine at first until I unplug my eth100 and wireless.
        All of a sudden, my host system (XP) and VM (Linux) can no longer
        reach each other. How do you configure it so that it doesn't rely
        on having a connection? -ok thx
        \_ Well, how is the virtual NIC configured for the VM?  If you're
           using host-only or NAT, then it should work fine.  If bridged,
           then it's not surprising if it doesn't work, especially if
           you're using DHCP.
           \_ I'm using automatic bridging, and by default it already
              selected VMnet2 and VMnet8. It gave me subnet
              192.168.175.0 for vmnet2 and 192.168.117.0 for vmnet8.
              Is there something I have to do?
              \_ What do you mean "it automatically selected VMnet2 and
                 VMnet8"?  What is "it"?  Selected them when?  How did "it"
                 select both?  And how is your host configured?  And BTW,
                 VMware does have support forums on their website...
                 \_ I didn't configure ANYTHING, it's the way it is when I
                    installed it. What do I do? Thanks.         -pp
                    \_ Uh, I thought I made it clear already that you can
                       try setting the VM to use host-only or NAT networking.
                       You still haven't said whether your host OS uses DHCP
                       or not.
                        \_ Yes, host OS uses DHCP, what difference is that
                           gonna make? If it's not DHCP it renders my laptop
                           portability to "pain in the ass to reconfig"
                           \_ Well, I don't know what Windows does when it
                              can't obtain a DHCP address, but it doesn't
                              surprise me that it would suddenly become
                              unaddressable.  Anyway, you always could
                              try adding a second virtual NIC to your VM
                              that uses host-only networking.  I'm not sure
                              if that would work; I've never been in your
                              situation.  If not, then ask on VMware's
                              support forums.

3/8     Anyone work for VMWare here? care to comment on the how it is? Thx.
        \_ Yes.  I like it a lot. --jameslin
        \_ Is VMWare related to the "VM" OS on IBM mainframes?
           \_ IBM mainframes did do virtualization back in the day, but
              otherwise, no.
              \_ they still do today; it's the basis of their linux
                 server consolidation story.
           \_ the IBM VM is more like Zen, in that the OS is written to
              an appropriate virtual machine rather than trying to virtualize
              a hardware platform not designed for it.  they also have
              more virtualizable hardware because of this legacy

1/28    Who here works at VMWare? I have a suggestion for you so that maybe
        you can talk to a marketing dude or something. I think VMWare is one
        of the coolest products out there. How about this for marketing.
        Give free copies to academia, they really need it for say, OS projects
        and what not. Also, give lots of academic discount to students
        since many of them are Linux/Win dual boot users, and since quite a
        few of them are kernel hackers it'd surely suck them into using your
        products. Once you get the kids addicted, they'll keep coming back.
        Mr. Evil M$ Gates understood this decades ago and gave free copies
        of WinCrap stuff to academia, and look how well he's doing.
        \_ Giving software to academia is not free.  The tax break can be
           extremely valueble.  I've seen some pretty shady stuff with
           software donations.  Does a company really deserve a 2 million
           dollar tax writeoff for donating software that isn't really needed?
           Maybe, but it's definitely not "free."
        \_ Doesn't VMware have academic pricing?
        \_ That's like the M$'s strategy of settling the anti-trust lawsuits.
        \_ VMware has been profitable for quite some time.  I don't think
           they need your help.
           \_ cool because I really enjoy my free warez copy and I love the
              fact that it's so easy to get serial numbers on the internet
              \_ Do VMWare employees have to pay for it?
                \_ you mean pay for sex?

1/28    VMWare + Fedora Core 3-2.6.9 really really sucks because they turned
        on the 4G mem translation and it slowed down quite a bit. However,
        VMWare + Fedora Core 3-2.6.10 is AWSOME! I don't know what they did
        but it's pretty fast. Thanks VMWare/Fedora people.
        \_ In other news, clueless sodan is screwing around with testbed
           bleeding-edge kernels and wonders why they perform strangely.
           Sodan in question also lacks what other people call "a life",
           and states that his favorite hobbies include painting miniatures,
           playing D&D with his other geek friends, and tweaking his
           bike so that it makes a fake motorcycle sound. Rest of Linux
           community polled basically "don't fucking give a shit" when
           asked how relevant Fedora Core running on vmware is to them.
           \_ What have you got against painting miniatures?
           \_ Wow, you are the one need to get a life.
              \_ Wow, you need one get the English Lesson.
              \_ Wow, you are need one get the English Lesson.
           \_ there used to be a time when soda's full of helpful technical
              posts like these, now it's turned into freeper for the
              democrats, I wonder what happened...
              \_ Like many nostalgists, you have a rose colored view of
                 the past. Here is the first motd posting from 1995
                 that I happened to click upon. Note that there is a
                 huge political discussion on it:
                 http://csua.com/1995/02/01
                 \_ http sucks. use ~kchang/bin/kais 02/01/1995
                        \_ VIRUS ALERT!!! Don't trust kchang!!!

1/13    VMware performance tuning *experts*, I have a question for you.
        Suppose you don't pre-allocate entire 80G of HD during VMware
        configuration. You have an option of limiting file sizes to 2G
        or have a file that can grow up to 80G. What are some
        advantages/disadvantages of limiting VMware file sizes to 2G?
        Say you have one big file that eventually grows close to 80G,
        wouldn't it be hard to defragment it on the host machine? The
        advantage of 1 big contiguous file I suppose is performance, but
        suppose you don't have enough space to defrag it, then wouldn't
        that option be useless in the first place?

1/11    VMware Workstation = $189
        VMware GSX Server, unlimited CPU is $3388.
        Does anyone actually use GSX? Comment on actual experience
        on workstation vs. gsx?
        \_ People actually use GSX.  I doubt many people purchase the
           unlimited CPU license, though.  BTW, VMware is hiring, and
           they're both free to employees. :)
           \_ Also, I think VMware often gives out free copies of Workstation
              at campus infosessions.  There probably will be one in a few
              months.
        \_ No, get an Mac Mini.

1/11    I just installed Fedora 3 on VMware 3.2.0. Everytime I boot up,
        I get this error: "Setting vaddr to 0x0
        VMX|Msg_Post: Error
        VMX|[msg.log.monpanic] *** VMware Workstation internal monitor error ***
        VMX|BUG F(104):1147 bugNr=116
        Aneone else encountered this problem? I looked in their knowledge
        base but nothing on this particular error...
        \_ I've heard that the Fedora people do some crazy things for
           apparently no good reason other than to spite VMware.
           \_ so who has VMware + Linux + XP working, and what versions?
           \_ I caved in and have decided to download VMW 5 beta. Is there
              a time limit before it expires?
              \_ Yes, but I doubt it's less than a few months.
                \_ hm, I'd hate to reinstall VMW again when it expires. I
                   maybe that's actually good news, because if it doesn't
                   expire for a few months, that's enough time to find a free
                   warez version somewhere...
                   \_ Buy the damn software, you're using it.
                      \_ Don't listen to this man. Go find the warez. I see it
                         on bittorrent right now. Come on, do it.
                   \_ Uhm, I work at VMware...
                        \_ what's your email? Could I contact you please? thx
                           \_ You think a VMware employee is going to help
                              you pirate his own product???

1/10    I have VMware 3, how do I get around the 896M RAM limit?
        \_ I don't think you can.  Isn't it a technical limitation?
           Upgrade to Workstation 4.5.
           \_ Workstation 5 is available in beta. Release date?

1/10    VMware question for VMware gurus only. I've installed a WinXPsp1
        on top of WinXPsp2. How do you do the followings:
        1) transfer data between the two machines? I've tried mounting
           raw partition from WinXPsp1 but when I disable write, it
           doesn't boot up anymore (WinXP insists on writing)
        2) communicate between the two machines? I can ping WinXPsp1
           from WinXPsp2, but not the other way around.
        3) Say I install VNC on WinXPsp1, how can I make it so that
           VNC ports go directly to it, instead of the host machine?
        Thanks for any help.
        \_ What do you mean 'on top of'? You are running WinXPsp2 natively
           and WinXPsp1 in the VM?
          \_ yes that is what I mean.
        \_ 1. Easiest way is to do it through a network share.
        \_ 1. Easiest way is to do it is through a network share.
                \_ I did that, but it is slow upon connection. It waits for
                   user/password, then hangs 10 seconds. Windows XP bug?
                   \_ Probably.
           2. Well, how do you have your network configured?
                \_ well right now I have two IPs, each going to diff machines
                   \_ So the guest is using bridged networking with a static
                      IP address?
                        \_ yes it's bridged with static, is this the best
                           configuration? Or you have another idea?
           3. Not a VMware issue.  You need to get something to do port
              forwarding.
                \_ thanks I configured my router to forward to the right one

12/23   I'd like to install WinXP Pro in my VMware virtual machine.
        What's the cheapest way to get a legit version of WinXP Pro?
        \_ If you bought the box as a whole and got an OEM copy, or if from
           someone who installed unix and doesn't use their license.  Otherwise
           on ebay.  I'm not familiar with the arcana of US software licensing
           laws, but if it's not legal to install a paid-for (bought or OEM)
           copy of software xyz on _a single box (regardless where) then who
           gives a flying fark.  -John

12/21   What are some core differences between a simulator, an emulator, and
        a virtual machine?
        \_ Simulator:  Model the whole thing by itself; collect results.
           Emulator:  Model one part; hook it up to something else.
             Or, run one OS on another OS.
           Virtual machine:  A computer inside a computer.
             Or, a VM like the Java VM.
        \_ Simulator: Models something by mimicry.
           Emulator: Interprets instructions for one architecture to another.
           Virtual machine: A pretty generic term.  There's VM in the sense
             of Java VMs (which represents a virtual hardware architecture)
             or in the VMware sense, in which most instructions aren't
             interpreted).
           \_ so the Crusoe chip (on-demand translation of x86 instruction set
              to another) is... emulation? What about VMWare, is that also
              emulation? What about simulators, what are some well known and
              commonly used simulators out there? Does VirtualPC (for Macs)
              count as simulator because you're not doing emulation?
              \_ VMware is partly emulation (for the virtual devices) but
                 for the most part is virtualization.  VirtualPC for Macs is
                 an emulator; it's interpreting x86 binaries.  Won't comment
                 on the Crusoe.
        \_ What's the context?
        \_ In some contexts, a simulator processes the simulation of an actual
           design, while an emulator accomplishes the same result at a higher
           level. A VM is a software computer environment for a program (a
           computer implemented as a program that runs on another computer).

11/9    I have two versions of MSIE 6.0.2800.1106. One is running inside a
        VMWare virtual machine, the other running native on an athlon PC.
        When I run a google query: http://www.google.com/search?q=canada.ca
        They get slightly different results. What's the best way to figure
        out why this would be?  Perhaps a way to capture the request?
        \_ Maybe you're just hitting different google mirrors, and their
           indices aren't quite in sync?  You could test this by using an
           explicit IP address like 216.239.57.99 instead of "google.com".
        \_ netcat is good for this.  Use 'netcat -L <DEAD>athos.989studios.com<DEAD>:10070
         -p 8000 -o logfile' listens at port 8000 on the local machine, logs
         to the file "logfile", and forwards the result to athos port 10070.
        \_ Does Google incorporate randomness in its search result when, say,
           there's a tie in relevancy?
        \_ the above will do the net capture but i think the answer lies more
           in how google works than your browser.  packet captures will only
           tell you what you already know: you're getting difference responses
           back from google.

4/3     I'm thinking about getting either vmware or vpc for windows in order
        reduce the number of test pc's we need in our lab at work. I'm mostly
        going to run Linux (RH/SuSE) and Win2K/XP in the virtual machine.
        Does anyone have experience with either of these products (how many
        vm's can I run at once, how fast are the emul. systems for network
        only access)? The main system running vmware/vpc will likely be a
        2x2.8 GHz P4 box with 1-2 GB Ram and WinXP Prof. (though we may want
        to run it on slower 2 GHz boxes as well). tia.

4/3
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        \_ Used vmware a couple of times to install various OSes. Make sure you
           have LOTS of RAM and a fast harddrive. It's very slow otherwise.
           Also, I've never figured out networking to my satisfaction.
           It tends to sometimes work and sometimes not work. The
           documentation is somewhat lacking. I suppose it's good for
           driver development, but I got somewhat tired of the speed issue
           and went back to a live machine. --williamc
        \_ using vmware and loving it.  I've got a linux server running as a
           guest OS; my host is a Windows Laptop.  VM memory takes up space in
           RAM, so you can only run as many VMs as you've got spare ram to
           allocate.  I was running two vms w/ 128 mb each and things were
           working fine (I've only got 512 total on my laptop).  I can testify
           that both the debian testing (net install) and the knoppix family
           (gnoppix, pollix, etc) have no problem running inside VMware.
           --darin
        (gnoppix, pollix, etc) have no problem running inside VMware. --darin
           \_ Do you know if vmware works with debian as the host os?
              I know it isn't officially "supported" but ... --brett
        \_ I installed XP as a guest OS on win2k box running on a p3-700.
           It took about 16 *hours* for XP to install.  Once it was running,
           it functioned but wasn't usable.  A faster cpu would've helped but
           it also beat the shit out of my 5400 rpm bog standard maxtor drive.
                \_ Thanks for the pointer. We will be using 10K or 15K RPM
                   UltraSCSI(?) 320 drives and might even consider using a
                   box with dual 3.06's and 2+ gb of ram (with 256 mb per
                   vm it sounds like I will be able to run 3-5 vm's with
        (gnoppix, pollix, etc) have no problem running inside VMware. --darin
           \_ does vmware work with debian as the host os? I know it isn't
              officially "supported" but I wonder if it works anyways --brett
              I know it isn't officially "supported" but ... --brett
                   reasonable performance).

3/3     /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lX11
        What is wrong? I've included /usr/X11R6/lib and still no luck...
        \_ if you included the actual command line and OS details, maybe
           someone could give a more helpful response.
        gcc -nostdlib `./prefix-args -Xlinker  -R/usr/X11R6/lib -z nocombreloc -\
L/usr/X11R6/lib` -o temacs pre-crt0.o /usr/lib/crt1.o /usr/lib/crti.o dispnew.o\
frame.o scroll.o xdisp.o xmenu.o window.o charset.o coding.o category.o ccl.o cm\
.o term.o xfaces.o xterm.o xfns.o xselect.o xrdb.o fontset.o emacs.o keyboard.o\
macros.o keymap.o sysdep.o buffer.o filelock.o insdel.o marker.o minibuf.o filei\
o.o dired.o filemode.o cmds.o casetab.o casefiddle.o indent.o search.o regex.o u\
ndo.o alloc.o data.o doc.o editfns.o callint.o eval.o floatfns.o fns.o print.o l\
read.o abbrev.o syntax.o unexelf.o mocklisp.o bytecode.o process.o callproc.o re\
gion-cache.o sound.o atimer.o doprnt.o strftime.o intervals.o textprop.o composi\
te.o md5.o terminfo.o lastfile.o vm-limit.o ../oldXMenu/libXMenu11.a -L/usr/X11R\
6/lib -L/project/tom/lib -lX11 -lncurses -lm -lgcc -lc -lgcc /usr/lib/crtn.o
        \_ various "maybes": try -lx11; are you getting the error at compile
           time or runtime (if latter, man ldconfig); reduce it to a
           a smaller testcase (find some small source file that uses X
           and compile that); find out what exactly your X lib is called
           (the errors says that it can't find "-lX11", not "X11" so maybe
           it's interpreting it incorrectly.

10/1    I'm installing WinXP for the first time on a test box just to see it.
        I'm not even done with the basic install and it's already doing all
        this automated 'dont worry, ill make that really important decision
        for you, you dumbass consumer!' shit.  I'm getting shivers....
        I'm doing it inside a virtual-pc so at least it can't fuck up anything
        too much.  I hope.
        \_ I've been using XP pro for a while now;  as a game and just-doing-
           superficial-type-work-box (writing docs and browsing) it has been
           pretty decent.  I don't trust it with anything important (all my
           storage and security and whatnot is on a couple of FreeBSD boxes)
           so the relationship is a happy one.  -John

6/21    I was looking for xlock or at least a version of software that
        will run something like the galaxy mode of the xlock/xscreensaver
        on a windows 2k machine.  I've googled and checked both cygwin and
        http://gnu.org, but I haven't been able to turn up anything terribly useful.
        Does anyone know if/where I can this?  TIA.
        \_ install vmware, linux and exceed.
           \_ insanity.  just recompile the xlock for cygwin.  and the last I
              checked, vmware wasn't freeware so you can't "just install it".
        \_ You don't want xlock.  It was written by a convicted child molestor
           and former VP of Disney.
           \_ how about xlockmore ?
           \_ He's not a convicted child molestor.  Even if he was, so what?
              You're a child molestor and we don't mind you around here.

2/21    Microsoft bought Connectix. This is the ONLY thing that they
        should be forbid from doing: buying their competition.
        Bye, Bye Virtual PC. Maybe the open source folks will replace it.
        \_ Well there is Boochs. And the MacBU has promised to continue
           developing it. M$ might be many things but it isn't stupid,
           when people are willing to fork over $s M$ is smart enough
           to keep selling (ex. Office X).
            \_ Office X doesn't threaten the MS desktop monopoly.
               These os "emulators" like VirtualPC, VMWare, wine, etc all do.
        \_ Microsoft bought apple too.
           \_ I believe you misspelled "bought shares of apple."
        \_ If MS wasn't allowed to buy their competition they wouldn't have
           any products.  You'd be hard pressed to think of something MS
           wrote in house which wasn't based on something they bought or
           outright stole from some small company.
           \_ Bob
              \_ I'm torn between saying, "you got me there" and "Bob isn't
                 a product".  Then again, maybe they stole that too.  There
                 were a lot of dotcoms with shitty product ideas.

12/5    Anybody used VMware for linux? What did you think of it?
        \_ works great, i run win2k in it. haven't gotten
           it to work with esd yet but i haven't tried very hard.
                \_ What's esd?
                   \_ It's what your mom whispers in my ear when i do her, son.
                      \_ Damn it, Dad, go home.  You're drunk.
                \_ enlightenment sound daemon, you can pipe sound
                   out of the windows inside of vmware through
                   /dev/esddsp, or so i hear, i haven't
                   been able to make it work yet
        \_ I ran it on FreeBSD.  It was dirt slow with Win2k (plenty of
           memory allocated.)  -John
            \_ on what type/speed computer? is "dirt slow" slower than
               a pentium1, or a 486? I'm buying a new machine with the
               intention of running linux everyday. How fast of a machine
               to I need to buy to have windows95 running inside vmware
               seem as fast as a pentium 133?
        \_ I thought it was a pain in the ass.  With 5 computers at my desk
           it was easier to just install whatever I wanted on whatever.
                \_ do you jest? How big a hassle is it to have 5 computers
                   at your desk?
        \_ happily on my 800 mhz p3 thinkpad, giving it about 256 MB.
           use the non-persistent disk option and leave edited files in linux
           (accessed over virtual net share).  watch win2k never rot out
           because you discard the changes from 98% of sessions while friends
           running it native have to reinstall periodically for stability.

7/28    Anyone get FreeBSD 4.6 to install as a guest OS under vmware
        3.1?  It hangs during install right after starting the
        emergency shell.  -sky
        \_ Use SCSI disks and SCSI CD-ROMs.  The VMware IDE emulation appears
           to be broken. -mgoodman
        \_ Vmware pretty much just sucks.  I've wasted more time trying to get
           various OS's installed through Vmware under various other OS's than
           the end result could possibly ever be worth.  My time is worth more
           than a little desk or server room space and some old hardware.  I
           like the concept but in practice it just hasn't panned out.
           \_ Huh? I have installed Linux on a windows vmware host and Windows
              on a Linux vmware host multiple times with support fo things like
              NAT, file sharing, sound and other hardware support and had no
              problems with it. Try again.
                        \_ VMWare sucks if the guest OS or the host OS is
                           not Linsux or Winblows. (Basically VMWare sucks
                           if you are trying to use it on a real OS to run
                           a real OS)
                           \_ I'm sure that using the terms "Linsux" and
                              "Winblows" makes you look knowledgeable.
                              \_ And I'm sure you realize your comment was
                                 unnecessary.  Why respond to passive trolls?
                                 they're not even amusing.  --scotsman

1/7     Jobs at VMWare.  I don't work there, but thought people may
        find the posting useful: /csua/pub/jobs/vmware-ucb
        \_ VMWare does not support Dvorak.
           \_ Liar!
                \_ Prove it support Dvorak as well as Windows!

6/20    I have an OS question.  Most programs make use of shared
        libraries and use a dynamic link loader to relocate branch
        targets at run-time.  The problem is that if you have
        multiple copies of, say, emacs running under their own
        user space wouldn't those relocated addresses (either relative
        or absolute) conflict under each process?  For example, if
        multiple programs were using OpenGL they would create virtual
        memory entries for libGL.so in their own process space. The
        location of libGL within this process differs from program to
        program so if libGL calls libm.so the dynamic link loader will
        place that library in a different location for each process
        and the branch targets under one process won't correspond to
        those of the other.
        \_ The shared bits are mapped to the same virtual addresses in
           each address space.
        \_ Not sure what you're asking.  But only the text portion of
           the shared lib is shared amongst the different processes.  All
           processes that need to use libGL.so have addresses that point to
           just one copy of the text portion of libGL.so.  It's the OS's
           job to keep the program counter and the VM straight.  Why would
           there be any conflict?
           \_ That's the problem. If you only have one copy of libGL.so
              in memory there would be a conflict in the outgoing branches
              from libGL.  For example, if we were calling glVertex
              within libGl. That function would have a jump an link
              to another absolute address to the libm math library. The
              dynamic link loader is responsible for resolving the branch
              addresses.  The problem is that if one user was running
              Quake while another person was  running Doom or something
              like that then the jump target addresses would be different.
              Let's just say, for example, that glVertex called the pow
              function:
              Quake                             Doom
              -----                             ----
              0x00000000 main                   0x00000000 main
              0x00003fff end of quake           0x00001fff end of doom
              0x00004000 libGL                  0x00002000 libGL
              0x00005000 libm                   0x00003000 libm
              0x00005040  pow()                 0x00003040  pow()
              If we were to have a jump and link to the pow() function
              then the addresses would be different in both copies of
              libGL.
        \_ Also, most, if not all, shared libraries are compiled to be
           position-independent.

10/9    Anyone know of any alternatives for vmware?
        \_ Boochs or Wine
            \_ What's wrong with VMware?

9/28    Anyone heard of vmware?  Is it good?
        \_ my friend just joined vmware as dir of product marketing...his
           judgment has been good in the past...
           \_ Its pretty good as long as you have a fast machine (~300 PII
              or higher).
           \_ It's great for testing out, say, how a webpage loads
              under 9xNetscape.  However, it's horrible if you want
              to send something to a port or anything like that.
              Regardless it's the best option; use it, love it.
        \_ vmware is good.  Get a free evaluation key and try it out.
           Too bad it's not free...

3/02    which term is the most capable? vt100,102,220,ansi...?
        \_ Why don't you show of your capabilities, big boy, and help
           the rest of us decide.
        \_ The TeleVideo 920s they had down in the WEB.  Those were the best.
                \_ And the handy location of the break key was a stroke of
                   genius.  The keyboard design of the tvi920 was second only
                   to the old HP keyboards (105 Cory) in pure key placement
                   masochism.
        \_ web TV
        \_ whichever one your software emulates.  if you have choices,
                the larger the vt number, the more it can do, but telling
                soda you're on a vt320 will just screw you up if your
                software only does vt102
        \_ vt100 is almost certainly good enough for just about anything.
           for the most part, vt100 = xterm as far as terminal emulation
           goes.  [niggly idiots, note "for the most part". thank you]
        \_ Number 2 lead pencil
        \-BITCHMASTER2000