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2008/11/14-26 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux, Computer/SW/OS/Solaris] UID:51989 Activity:moderate
11/14   lulz why doesn't GOOG buy JAVA i mean SUN i mean whatever the hell they
        are these days.
        \_ Even GOOG isn't THAT stupid
           \_ Sorry, but WHY would Google do something like that? They
              run 99.2% Linux servers on the backend. They don't use
              Solaris for development. I mean, what does Sun have to
              offer to anyone these days?
              \_ ZFS, some SMP goodness, a quality OS, some neat stuff
                 like containers, Java, and MySQL but I'll admit it's not
                 much which is why the price is where it is. Sun has more
                 to offer than Apple does in terms of technology, but
                 can't seem to connect with users the way Apple does.
                 \_ Apple is a consumer electronics company, not a
                    technology company.  Sun's "quality" OS is being
                    phased out virtually everywhere it's implemented.  -tom
                    \_ It is true that Solaris is dying, but it is not because
                       it is inferior.
                       \_ So?  It's proprietary, it's slow-moving, it's
                          expensive.  If they'd community-sourced it 10 years
                          ago it might have beat out Linux, but at this point
                          it's dead.  -tom
                          \_ It's not proprietary nor expensive. I'm not
                             sure what slow-moving means in this context.
                             \_ It's not proprietary?  I can release
                                "Tom's Kewl Solaris Distribution," and
                                mirror all the patches Sun puts out?  Don't
                                think so.  Slow-moving means it's slow to
                                support new hardware, it's slow to get vendor
                                support for commercial/propietary applications,
                                it has poor support from most open source
                                packages as well.   -tom
                                \_ People do that with Redhat all the time.
        \_ Google is fundamentally an advertisement company.  Sun is a
           computer hardware company.  What kind of "synergy" you are thinking
           \_ I would say Sun is a software company at this point.
              \_ I work at the software side of Sun.  and don't I wish
                Sun is a software company.  But consider that almost 90% of
                the revenue is coming from hardware sales, I would consider
                it is still a hardware company more than anything else.
                \_ And yet it's not, because SPARC is all-but-dead. The
                   only value-added Sun has is in software. They better
                   figure that out right quick.
                   \_ This is similar to the problem Apple faced in
                      the mid 90s.  People were saying they needed to
                      license the OS to grow the market share for the
                      platform, but 80%+ of company revenues were from
                      hardware.  They licensed the OS, got taken to
                      the cleaners by clone makers, and tanked badly
                      while failing to grow market share.  Jobs came
                      in and focused the company on hardware, found an
                      effective niche and has been quite successful.
                      If Sun were to transition from being a hardware
                      company to being a software company, they'd have
                      to be prepared to cut 50%+ of their workforce,
                      and make a strong case for why the new software
                      company is something that businesses should be
                      investing in, which will be difficult since
                      businesses are currently deciding to get rid of
                      Sun software.  Sun actually has some decent
                      commodity Intel servers these days, but that's
                      not going to save them.  -tom
2008/11/14-26 [Computer/SW/Languages/Java, Computer/SW/OS/Solaris] UID:51970 Activity:moderate
        Sun Microsystems Inc. plans to cut up to 6,000 jobs, or 18 percent of
        its global work force, as sales of its high-end computer servers have
        collapsed.  The drastic move announced Friday highlights Sun's
        desperation to cut costs and survive as an independent company. Sun's
        shares have fallen so steeply they've crossed an ominous threshold,
        driving the company's market value below its cash on hand.
        That means investors believe the company itself is essentially
        lulz is this because of open source and linuz?
        \_ If Sun goes down, what happens to Mysql?
           \_ Who cares?
              \_ I care a little.  You may mock Mysql, but it is used by
                 freakin' everyone these days.
        \_ Someone will buy Sun.  heck if they're worthless, maybe I can
           buy Sun.  I've been refraining from double lattes.
           \_ Sun has become DEC.  It was a sad day when Compaq bought
              DEC. It will be a sad day when Dell or its equivalent buys
              Sun. -ex-Sun
        \_ Is this because they opensources Solaris?  How do opensource
           companies make money again?
           \_ it has nothing to do with Solaris being open.
        \_ I am a Sun guy.  I guess I am on the software-side of the house,
           so things are not as bad as the headline says.
        \_ IBM could buy Sun right now outright, lay everyone off, keep the
           contracts, and pay for the acquisition with the cash inside of Sun.
           \_ shut up paolo
        \_ Bush is responsible for state of current economy! Free Tibet
           \_ shut up emarkp
           \_ You forgot to add "Iraq War" and "lolz", troll.
        \_ I am a Sun guy.  I guess I am on the software-side of the house,
           so things are not as bad as the headline says.
        \_ As a ex-Sun employee I am not surprised. Sun has been mismanaged
           for 10+ years, and is full of deadwood and useless middle managers.
           Even this job cut won't be enough for the company to survive. Pony
           tail boy needs to reduce the work force down to about 10K and put
           an end to the java religion w/in the company is to survive in the
           long run.
        \_ As a ex-Sun employee, I think there are many reasons for Sun's
           problems.  Linux is one reason, at least in the workstation /
           low-end server market.  Intel is another reason. Sparc is just
           not all that important anymore.
           But the two biggest reasons I think are: (1) extremely poor
           management; and (2) java.  Management at the upper levels was
           always unwilling to see reality and did not make the cuts that
           were needed in the early part of this decade.  If Sun had cut
           its staff to 10K-15K in 2002-2003, they would be reasonably well
           positioned today.
           Also, Sun has way too many middle managers and upper level
           technical deadwood (architects, sr. staff eng., &c.).  This was
           a problem that management was also unwilling to correct.  These
           people are the ones that foster the java-religion w/in the
           company.  It doesn't matter how lousy a java project is, it will
           always be selected for funding over a non-java project.  In fact,
           I saw profitable non-java projects cancelled in favor of
           incomplete and unreleasable java projects.  The only reason for
           these cancellations was that the profitable projects weren't using
           \_ Religion? You mean cult.                  -I hate Java
              Cash on hand is 2B, market cap is 3B, so your first premise
              is incorrect. Also, what you should really be looking at is
              real tangable assets minus liabilities and that is even less,
              more like $1B. But JAVA really is cheap.
              \_ I disagree. Take a look at:
                 Maybe I am not reading this right, but it looks like Sun
                 has lost about $1.3 billion to date this year, and lost
                 $864 million in 2006.  This trend is not new and reflects
                 the unwillingness of Sun management to face the reality
                 that fewer and fewer customers need sparc, java, zfs, &c.
                 and that too many people are employed in developing things
                 that no one wants to buy.
                 - ex-Sun
                 that no one wants to buy. -ex-Sun
                 \_ Look at the cash flow chart:
                    They had positive cash flow in both 2006 and 2007,
                    and while 2008 cash flow is negative (through
                    June), cash flow from operations was positive; the
                    negative hit is on sale purchase of stock, which
                    probably means they spent some cash to do a share
                    buyback.  (Which was probably a mistake, looking at
                    the overall situation).  In general, they're not
                    bleeding money; they're just becoming less and less
                    relevant.  -tom
                    \_ They are burning through $250M per quarter, which
                       means they have a year left if things don't turn
                       around quickly.
                       \_ Actually, it looks they just need to stop buying
                          their own stock.
                          \_ Ponytail can do no wrong.  Really does anyone
                             take seriously a man in a ponytail?
                             \_ My Little Pony
2008/9/24-29 [Computer/SW/OS/Windows, Computer/SW/OS/Solaris] UID:51283 Activity:nil
9/24    Why is nscd going crazy?  DoS?
        \- back in the solaris say 2.5-2.6 era, it had both some bugs
           (some malformed nis maps made it go crazy) and architectural
           flaws in the IPC/door+threading mechanism. if you are running
           OS-recent, dunno, but you can trace it.
           \_ Yeah, I think it's just buggy.  I've restarted it, and it seems
              to be working again for now.  --mconst
2008/4/3-9 [Computer/SW/Languages/Misc, Computer/SW/OS/Solaris] UID:49658 Activity:nil
4/3     Solaris experts: I've never played with ZFS. Does it have a native
        dump command a la ufsdump?
        \_ This might be what you are looking for:
  [sun - bigadmin]
2008/3/30-4/6 [Computer/SW/OS/Solaris] UID:49614 Activity:nil
3/30    Question: I just deleted 60 GB of files from an 80 GB disk. The
        disk activity lights were blinking like crazy and I could hear the
        drive crunch while the data was deleted. This is under Solaris.
        Anyway, I think UNIX uses unlink() when files are deleted. Shouldn't
        it just update the free list on the superblock and call it a day?
        What is all the crunching about?
        \_ Well, I guess it depends on how you delete it.  I assume you did
           'rm -rf *'?  In that case it would go through all the directories
           delete each file by name one at a time.  You could get the behavior
           you were hoping for by formatting or rewriting the partition table.
2007/11/27-30 [Computer/SW/Languages/C_Cplusplus, Computer/SW/OS/Solaris] UID:48701 Activity:high
11/27   I'm using select to do a nonblocking check to see if a single socket
        has anything to read off it.  Problem is, I can have up to 12228
        file descriptors, and Linux fd_set only supports up to 4096.  Any idea
        what I can do about this?  (Or a better solution?) -jrleek
        \- 1. who are you
           2. i am busy this week and you didnt mention language
              [i am not fmailar with stuff like java nio] but you might
              look at this ucb/cs paper ... matt welsh et al "a design
              framework for highly scalable systems" as well as
              some of the discussion around libevent.
              see the links and graph at
              \_ Ah, the program is all in 'C', but it needs to run on multiple
                 Unix variants.  -jrleek
                 \_ Have you profiled it?  Can you port to python or another
                    scripting language with reasonable performance (alas, not
                    ruby at this time)? -dans
                    ruby at this time)?  At, a hot startup in
                    downtown San Francisco (we're hiring!), we open AND
                    close millions of socket connections every day. -dans
                    \_ How could I profile it?  This isn't a webserver, it's a
                       server that accepts, and acts on, messages based on a
                       protocol I wrote.  (Over TCP).  In this case, I need to
                       know about the performance of a tiny part of the code.
                       I'm not sure how to get that information. gprof, for
                       example, doesn't seem to allow me to choose just a small
                       section to profile, and lacks the necessary resoluton
                       anyway. -jrleek
                       \_ What you want is a profiling tool that doesn't work
                          via random sampling but that lets you add profiling
                          hooks into your code.  I've written some homegrown
                          things like this in the past to profile very tight
                          loops in massive projects, but I'm sure there are
                          plenty of better tools out there if you poke around.
                       \_ Hint: leek >> dans. Why are you listening to his
                          \_ Well, I have a lot to learn about network
                             programming, so I'll take what I can get.  Thanks
                             for the compliment though. -jrleek
                             \_ Alas, I don't have any better suggestion that
                                gprof, though there must be better tools out
                                there.  Another alternative would be to compile
                                the source, look at the ASM output and try to
                                hand optimize.  Consider that a WAY last
                                resort, and not worth pursuing unless you're
                                already a fan of ASM.  Two problems though:
                                there.  Another alternative would be to
                                compile the source, look at the ASM output
                                and try to hand optimize.  Consider that a
                                WAY last resort, and not worth pursuing unless
                                you're already a fan of ASM.  Two problems
                                a) it doesn't really scale if you need to
                                target multiple platforms and b) it's actually
                                tough to beat a *good* modern optimizing
                                compiler even if you really know what you're
                                doing. -dans
                            \_ UPDATE: I just asked one of the guru's and
                               he responded, 'books?  what are those' see:
                               It's more of a jumping off point, but it will
                               at least give you tools to work with and
                               references potential implementations. -dans
                          \_ Hint: In the last three years have you...
                             a) worked on a project with me?
                             b) read or hacked any code I've written?
                             c) used a service based on my code or systems I
                             Unless you can answer yes to at least two, you
                             have NO FUCKING IDEA WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
                             Why two?  Because I built the systems half (as
                             opposed to the network/routing half) of the
                             anycast DNS rig that runs the roots for over
                             fifty ccTLD's including, amusingly enough, .cx.
                             Thus, the answer to c) is almost always yes.
        \_ Use poll() instead of select, or do multiple selects with several
            different fd_sets .  -ERic
        \_ Can you increase the max size of fd_set in /proc?  I'm guessing not,
           but couldn't hurt to look.  Also, using select on that many file
           descriptors will probably result in sucky performance. -dans
           \_ Do you know where I can read up on getting really good
              performance out of the POSIX tcp codes?
              \_ I wish I did.  Most of what I know is a collection of voodoo
                 and lore.  It's not super complicated, basically you want to
                 use non-blocking sockets and poll.  Also, avoid threads
                 unless you know what you're doing.  Writing correct threaded
                 code is hard, writing high-performance threaded code is even
                 harder.  On Linux, processes are basically threads, but with
                 processes you don't have to handle any locking crap. -dans
        \_ epoll (linux) or kqueue (bsd)
           \_ Unfortunately, it needs to run on AIX (IBM's Unix) as well.
              \- arent you that fellow at livermore? if this is going to
                 run on ibm big iron, maybe if you have a "user services"
                 group they will know this. cray and ibm have some people
                 group they will know this. cray and ibm have had some people
                 stationed here as part of nersc. i am familar with assos,
                 fleebsd, and solaris [/dev/poll] but not aix. btw some of
                 the select vs poll people seem to be unaware of many
                 places where the interface is different, but under the hood
                 they are the same thing. --psb
                 fleebsd, and solaris [/dev/poll] but not aix. --psb
                          \- i have never heard of/used this [i no longer
                             work on aix] but check this out:
                             often i would think if there was something
                             that was obscure it probably wouldnt be that
                             good, but in this case 1. ibm has a history
                             of sitting on good things that fail due to
                             obscurity 2. i'm not in the loop [no pun
                             intended] any more on ibm stuff --fmr ibm person
                 \_ We do have such a group, but they don't know much about
                    TCP.  It's kind of an odd thing to be doing.  I wrote this
                    TCP implementation as a proof-of-concept, but we've never
                    gotten to money to do something better, so I just keep
                    trying to improve it incrementally. -jrleek
2007/7/9-12 [Computer/HW/CPU, Computer/SW/OS/Solaris] UID:47240 Activity:high
7/9     Are 64-bit Linux servers popular compared to 32-bit ones?  My company
        has a server product that supports 32-bit, and we're trying to see if
        it's worth supporting 64-bit as well.  Thanks.
        \_ in my company, everything linux is 64bit except the handful of
           redhat satellite servers, because redhat's sat server product
           doesn't support running on 64bit systems (yet).  DOH!
        \_ Compared to 32bit? No. Whether it is worth it to support or not
           depends on a lot of things, but mostly the desires of your
           customers and the cost of doing supporting it.
           customers and the cost of supporting it.
        \_ It has more bits so it must be better!  Seriously though, now that
           64 bit is here I think you'll find most places doing 64 bit.  The
           best people to ask are your current customers.  Unless you're
           making a pre-packaged toaster product, then it doesn't matter.
           \_ No, you will not find most places doing 64bit. It's still early.
              \_ Maybe at your place.  See the person below for an exmaple.
                 \_ I went to USENIX recently and 64bit is still far from
                    the norm.
                    \_ No 64bit at all in most of the places of USENIX
                       attendees?  You know this how?
                       \_ Did I say: "No 64bit at all?" No, I did not. However,
                          the topic came up in a session and only a few
                          people said they used it in production.
                          \_ Representing how many servers and which companies?
                             Was this the "64 bit linux" session?
                             \_ How many are represented by you and two other
                                MOTD trolls?
                                \_ Oh, ah, personal attack!  Way to go!  You
                                   are right, 64 bit is DOA.  How many?  Like
                                   the other poster we have been building only
                                   64 bit boxes in the last few months and
                                   have the remaining non-64 bit scheduled for
                                   termination over the coming months.  Maybe
                                   your place of business is just too small or
                                   doesn't do real work?
                                   \_ I never said it was DOA. It will
                                      gradually become the standard.
                                      However, it is currently not the
                                      standard. Even you admit that you
                                      only started to switch over a few months
                                      \_ You trolled.  I sarcastically trolled
                                         back with the DOA overstatement.  I
                                         admit nothing.  I told you we've been
                                         at it for a few months which started
                                         last year and continues forward as we
                                         have time for it and new machines come
                                         online.  I expect most places will be
                                         doing similar gradual rollouts.  The
                                         idea that a few usenix attendees at
                                         a single session is representative of
                                         industry is no more likely than your
                                         'motd trolls' as you call us are
                                         representative of industry.  Less so
                                         since we're actually here to discuss
                                         it with you, not a vague 'please
                                         raise your hand' at a session.  Again,
                                         this isn't rocket science stuff.  64
                                         bit linux is a big thing for some
                                         people, nice for most and harmless to
                                         most of the rest.  Only a few with
                                         custom apps or low loads won't get
                                         anything from it.  Unless you *know*
                                         you don't want 64 bit, you want 64
                                         bit.  And just because it isn't being
                                         rolled out in bulk doesn't mean it
                                         isn't the thing to do.  Quite the
                                         opposite, that means it is the thing
                                         that is being done right now as we
                                         speak and doing a gradual rollout is
                                         the smart way to go in most shops.
                                         \_ I was disputing the "most
                                            places are doing 64 bit" statement
                                            above. Most places are not
                                            doing 64 bit for production. You
                                            allude to that above with your
                                            gradual rollout statement. 32
                                            bit is still far more pervasive
                                            than 64 bit at this time.
                                            \_ If they've got 64 bit in
                                               production right now as part of
                                               a long term roll out then they
                                               are doing 64 bit in production.
                                               Just because they didn't flip
                                               1000+ machines in a day doesn't
                                               mean they're not doing 64 bit.
                                               They're being smart.  Any place
                                               with that many machines is going
                                               to do almost any change like
                                               this in a gradual rollout.  Why
                                               is 'production' so hard to
                                               grasp?  What is your tech focus?
                                               Programming?  Sysadmin?  Manage-
                                               ment?  Something else?
        \_ We are 3/4 the way to converting to 64-bit everywhere. We should
           be done by end of year. -Ops guy at company with 1000+ servers
           \_ Why are you converting?
              \_ Because the 32 bit limits suck for real computing.  !gp
                 \_ Then you should've been running Solaris all along. Why
                    was 32 bit okay 12 months ago and suddenly not good
                    enough now? I can think of some reasons why you'd have
                    to upgrade to a 64 bit OS on a 32 bit processor, but they
                    are not common ones - mostly a need to address massive
                    files or memory - hardly a reason to upgrade every
                    server at a company for the hell of it.
                    \_ Solaris = not free.  32 bit 12 months ago = sucked then
                       with lots of work arounds.  64 bit now = it just works.
                       Convert everything because it is easier to maintain
                       fewer images/builds.  This isn't rocket science.  Why
                       do you think a place with 1000+ servers doesn't have
                       'a need to address massive files or memory'?  2 gigs
                       is hardly 'massive'.  I've got games that require more
                       ram than that..
                       \_ Solaris is free. You can have more than 2GB of
                          RAM or a 2GB file with a 32 bit OS. You don't
                          need a 64 bit OS for that.
                          \_ Solaris is not free when you have to buy real
                             hardware to run it and you knew that.  If you're
                             talking the x86 version, get off the motd.
                             \_ I didn't know Linux came with free hardware.
                             \_ The OS is now free, x86 or not. The hardware
                                is not free, but neither is Intel hardware. If
                                you are worried about x86, what does Linux
                                64 bit buy you?
                                \_ The OS has been 'free' for years but
                                   useless without the hardware.  And Sun
                                   hardware is way more expensive than x86.
                                   If I want a production quality system
                                   running Solaris it will cost more than
                                   a linux 64 bit system.  That is why Sun
                                   is dead and linux continues to grow.
                                   \_ You can run Solaris on x86 and the
                                      hardware costs will be the same. If
                                      \_ Solaris x86?  Whatever.  We are
                                         talking about production 24/7 systems
                                         that real people support, not your
                                         Quake4 server.
                                         \_ The code is the same. I repeat,
                                            this is not x86 circa 1992.
                                            \_ Quake4 server.  2007.
                                      you want the Sun hardware then the
                                      premium is not as bad as it used to
                                      be. An Ultra45 costs maybe $6K
                                      versus almost $5K for a high-end Dell.
                                      \_ Great, I just spent an extra $1k for
                                         what exactly?  And how much does Sun
                                         support cost on that box?
                                         \_ For a true 64 bit CPU.
                                      A Linux 64 bit system running on a
                                      32 bit chip is not true 64. If you
                                      \_ Who said these are 32 bit chips?
                                         Where'd you get that idea from?
                                         \_ Which 64 bit chip are you
                                            running on then?
                                            \_ So you're going to claim that
                                               the current gen Intel/AMD x86
                                               chips aren't 64 bit?  This is
                                               going to turn into a philosophy
                                               debate on instructions sets now,
                                               \_ Yes, I would claim that
                                                  the current gen chips
                                                  are not true 64 bit chips.
                                                  They are 32 bit chips
                                                  with 64 bit extensions.
                                                 \_ distinction being? as in,
                                                    why should I care?
                                      want 64 bit Linux you need to run on
                                      something like Itanium and that's
                                      not cheap either. However, did you
                                      \_ Who said Itanium?  Did we flash back
                                         to 1998?  This is 2007.  Both AMD and
                                         Intel are selling true 64 bit chips.
                                         \_ Yes, and Intel's is called the
                                            Itanium - IA64.
                                            \_ See above.
                                      realize that Solaris x86 is not the
                                      same crappy product it was 15 years ago?
                                   \_ Sun is hardly dead. You can get a 16
                                      \_ Solaris x86 is the same crappy
                                         product it always was.  It is a niche
                                         product which makes no sense in 99%
                                         of the real world.
                                         \_ Solaris has a lot of features
                                            that Linux does not have.
                                            \_ Solaris does but who is running
                                               Solaris x86 in a real production
                                               environment?  I'd be surprised
                                               to hear of any place with more
                                               than a handful in 24x7 and have
                                               a heart attack plus a stroke if
                                               anyone is doing thousands of
                                               solaris x86 anywhere.
                                               \_ Why does Solaris x86
                                                  bother you so much? It's
                                                  the same OS as Solaris
                                                  SPARC. A lot of Canadian
                                                  companies are using it,
                                                  FWIW. I would consider
                                                  using it in order to use
                                                  some Solaris features
                                                  like ZFS (until Linux
                                                  gets it), the scheduler,
                                                  and containers.
                                   \_ Sun is hardly dead. You can get a 8
                                      core T1000 for $5k these days and its
                                      operating costs will be less than 1/4th
                                      what 4 dual core Intel boxes would be.
                                      \_ What about 1 dual chip quad box? :)
                                         The T1000 is not so useful for
                                         floating point, but it was good
                                         to mention it. I had almost
                                         forgotten, since I mostly care
                                         about floating point. Also, IBM's
                                         new Power6 chip will run Linux,
                                         too. To claim you need 64 bit
                                         computing and then run it on a 32 bit
                                         CPU is laughable. I will
                                         eventually run 64 bit Linux on
                                         i386, too, but to think that most
                                         people (or even a sizeable fraction)
                                         are doing so now is deluded. We
                                         are just now starting to port over
                                         most of our major s/w, although
                                         we started a year ago, and it
                                         will probably be another two or
                                         three years before we can drop 32 bit
                                         entirely because of all the testing.
                                         A rule of thumb is that it takes
                                         about 5 years to throw old
                                         hardware/software out the door,
                                         so I expect there will be a lot
                                         of 32 bit Linux for some time
                                         yet. Realize that there are companies
                                         still running VMS and DOS.
           \_ Our older 32-bit servers needed to be upgraded, so we decided
              to roll out new 64-bit servers with 16GB of RAM. We have lots
              of apps that need to address more than 2GB of RAM, or we can
              make better use of the new faster boxes by addressing more
              RAM in the java container. It is easier in the long run to
              only have to support one platform, rather than two, also.
2007/7/6 [Computer/SW/OS/Solaris] UID:47193 Activity:nil
7/6     Hi I need some general pointers of what to look for if my
        app is running slow on a recent Solaris box.  What should
        I be noting?
2018/12/13 [General] UID:1000 Activity:popular

2007/2/12-15 [Computer/SW/OS/Solaris] UID:45722 Activity:nil 50%like:45719
2/12    Trivial Solaris 10 and 11 0-day exploit.  AWESOME!
        \_ That's why I run PC-Dos.  It's never been remotely hacked.
2007/2/12 [Computer/SW/OS/Solaris, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:45719 Activity:nil 75%like:45716 50%like:45722
2/12    Trivial remote root exploit in Solaris 10 and 11.  AWESOME! -dans
2006/9/10-12 [Computer/SW/Database, Computer/SW/OS/Solaris] UID:44336 Activity:nil
9/10    Has anyone compiled MySQL on Solaris 2.8 and had problems when
        it gets to mysql_tzinfo_to_sql?  I'm getting:
        ld: fatal: library -lpthread: not found
        ld: fatal: library -lthread: not found
        ld: fatal: library -lposix4: not found
        and make is failing.  I'm compiling MySQL 5.0.24, 32 bit.
        gcc 2.95.2.  I just tried it --with-mit-threads, but that didn't
        work either.  Please email me.  I want to burn the entire server
        room at this point.  Thank you!  -sax
        \_ I never had your specific problem but it looks like either you
           don't have those libraries installed or your library path is
        \_ I have built 3.23.xx and 4.0.x on sol 8/sparc with both the suncc
           and gcc.  Have you tried the flags MySQL uses?
           \_ Thank you both!  There were a few more command line options
              I was missing that helped.  I was using
              --with-mysqld-ldflags=-all-static, which apparently doesn't
              work on Solaris.  My biggest problem, though, was that it
              looks like this version of gcc was installed incorrectly.
              Switching over to gcc-3.2.1 solved the rest of my problems.
2006/6/22-28 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux, Computer/SW/OS/Solaris] UID:43474 Activity:nil
6/22    Anyone here deploy Linux-based Sun Rays lately? Thin clients
        sucked a few years ago, but Sun claims that performance is much
        better now. If performance is decent, I'm interested. Lots of
        people at work just use their desktops as terminals anyway.
        \_ we have a few Sun Ray clients here.  They have pretty much just
           worked since we set them up.
           \_ How is performance?
              \_ Fine for clean X apps.  Sun's Java Desktop Suite is a dog
                 regardless of what you run it on. Note that we don't use
                 them for Linux desktops yet.
        \_ i do that all the time for POC purposes.  I prefer *LINUX*
           over Solaris, against my company's party line, simply because
           Linux is still a better desktop OS than Solaris.  What kind of
           information do you want to know?             kngharv
           \_ What makes a desktop 'better'?
2006/4/25-27 [Computer/SW/OS/Solaris] UID:42822 Activity:nil
        Sun Microsystem's McNealy quits post as head, making it a
        bright day for Sun shareholders, with price rising to
        6% to $5.29 in after-hour trade.
        \_ Big baby finally grows up.
2006/4/3-4 [Computer/SW/OS/VM, Computer/SW/OS/Solaris] UID:42629 Activity:low
4/4     I'm setting up a simulated infrastructure for a client using
        a bunch of vmware sessions.  Originally we had these on different
        boxes, but I only have one machine available.  As there individual
        images require different subnets, can anyone think of an easy way
        to have vmware sessions on, say, 3 different subnets exist on the
        same physical machine and talk to each other via some sort of
        "virtual router"?  -John
        \_ Add a virtual interface for each subnet on the vmware host box
           and have it route.
           \_ This sounds like it would work.  I have considerable experience
              running many virtual interfaces on Linux and Solaris, email me
              if you want info on how to do it. -dans
              \_ it is hard to create virtual interfaces?
                 \_ No, it's a couple line changes in a config file (which one
                    varies by Linux distro or Solaris) or a manual ifconfig
                    invocation.  Of course, figuring out what config file and
                    what options takes a while if you don't know what you're
                    looking for and which man pages. -dans
2006/2/22-27 [Computer/HW/CPU, Computer/SW/OS/Solaris] UID:41954 Activity:nil
2/22    Can someone give me a link to a ISO of opensolaris
        that I can burn and boot on my PC?  thanks
        \_ Opensolaris distributions are still pretty much for developers only.
           If you want Solaris for your PC, download Solaris 10/x86 from Sun
           ISO(s) from Sun.
        \_ The closest thing to an official ISO for openSolaris is
           sxcr. You have to register w/ sun to d/l it:
           One of my friends on the openSolaris team suggested that
           you try nexenta instead
2006/1/2-4 [Computer/SW/WWW/Server, Computer/SW/OS/Solaris] UID:41196 Activity:nil
12/3    Hello, I'd like to setup a wiki and a discussion board for
        people interested in a particular niche market I'm looking at
        (I can't give out details because someone may steal it). I
        already colo my family web site (<lastname> with a
        friend of mine on Solaris at InReach, Oakland. What's the best
        software to get to host a wiki and a discussion board, and do
        I have to setup suexec and mysql?
2005/11/22-23 [Computer/SW/OS/Solaris, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:40690 Activity:nil
11/22   Is there a native process in Unix (SunOS 5.7) that logs port traffic?
        Barring that, do you know of any good software that would do the trick?
        SdTFW for "logging port traffic unix" but not finding what I'm looking
        for. TIA. --erikred
        \_ tcpdump -w
        \_ snoop.  Ethereal.  -John
        \_ snort?
        \_ You want something solaris native, 'snoop' is it.
           \_ Once again, motd >> Google (and my google skills). Thank you.
2005/11/14-15 [Computer/SW/OS/Solaris] UID:40576 Activity:moderate
11/14   Ugg. It took me all of 20 seconds to figure out NIS on linux.
        I can't even figure out how to lock a yppasswd on solaris.  Help.
        \_ Hint: Your issue is not with NIS
           \_ Uhh, what is it with?
              \_ Solaris' passwd mechanism doesn't provide a locking mechanism
                 (unless it's a recent addition i don't know about)
                 \_ from shadow(4):
                    The lock string is defined as  *LK*  in  the
                    first four characters of the password field.
                    \_ further note, you can use NP as the passwd string
                       which will allow uid to run cron jobs/etc --Jon
           \_ Which you should not be using anyway...
              \_ Well, I don't fault people using NIS in a secured corporate
                 \_ Hard on the outside, soft and chewy in the center.
                     \_ I've worked on a lot of networks and they have all
                        been like this (well, hardER on the outside anyway,
                        some were pretty soft all around).
                        \_ Probably, but with NIS you may as well not even
                           bother with security.
                           \_ NIS really isn't that bad in terms of
                              security if you have strong passwords
                              enforced.  NFS, that's another thing.  -tom
                              \- you need more than strong passwds. you need
                                 tight securenets, you need to not let
                                 people log into servers, you probably need
                                 the servers hardcoded to the clients etc.
                                 in many environments sniffed credientials
                                 are now a bigger problems than cracked
                                 passwds. once somebody gets unauthorized
                                 access to an unpriv nis account, it is
                                 highly likely they will be able to find
                                 some local exploit. and without the other
                                 issues raised above you are potentially vuln
                                 if a machine not even in your domain but
                                 just within your bcast domain is rooted.
                                 that being said, i think nis has its place
                                 but that is beyond the scope here.
              \_ I didn't build the system, I was just hired to make
                 a few changes, not rebuild it. -top
            \_ One good and fairly secure alternative to NIS, if you don't
               want to go with with LDAP, is to setup cfengine to rebuild
               /etc/{passwd,shadow} files on all machines. The downside of
               doing this is that if someone roots a client box they can
               still see your local /etc/shadow file. This sort of thing
               could be prevented with  LDAP.
2005/11/1-3 [Computer/SW/OS/Solaris, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:40376 Activity:nil
11/1    what's the name of a general login machine in berkeley cs?
        please email  -dpetrou
        \_ argus
           That is a list of everything. -mrauser
           \_ failure to read directions.
2005/10/28-31 [Computer/SW/OS/Solaris, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:40320 Activity:moderate
10/28   Docs say I can't do dd from disk that is in use.
        This seems (based on my bad memory) to be contrary to my experience.
        Any opionions on duping an inuse disk (to a non-inuse one).
        this is on solaris 8.
        \_ live update, ufsdump, rsync, dd... you want your filesystem
           as quiesced as possible though for all of the above
        \_ what the above and others say about quiet drives and RO and then:
           since you don't tell us what problem you're trying to solve, my
           very generic advice is this:  dd the drive so you get boot blocks
           and other fun stuff you might want, then do an rsync after that just
           for kicks in the hopes of catching a few of the files that might
           have been in use while doing dd.  no, this followup rsync will not
           make a perfect mirror on an active disk but if you wanted to do a
           real backup, you'd use real software for it or at least take the
           source drive offline.  you're well into kludge territory already,
        \_ You can dd from a disk that is in use. You will obviously not
           get an exact duplicate and, as above, I would not try this
           on a very busy filesystem. However, it works fine under Solaris
           9/10 and Red Hat Linux. I've done this to make 'backup' disks
           (successfully) many times.
        \_ If you need to keep the filesystem mounted RW, I'd suggest
           using rsync rather than dd. If the filesystem is mounted RO
           it seems like dd would be fine.
           \_ Rsync is slower and won't grab the boot blocks (if you want
                \_ rsync is NOT slower than DD unless the filesystems are
                   basically full. -top
                   \_ Yes, it is. Best case scenario (using the right
                      rsync options) they are about equal. "dd" can use
                      the raw device and bypass the filesystem entirely.
                      Amended: You are right that if the filesystem/disk is
                      not very full then "dd" will be slower merely because it
                      is copying "empty" space but not because "dd" is
                      intrinsically slower.
        \_ What problem are you trying to solve?
           What are your priorities?
                      \_ so it's not "intrinsically slower", it just takes
                         longer to run?  Get a clue.  -tom
                         \_ I think you need the clue, tom. "dd" is
                            faster. If you want to prune the list of files
                            you want to "dd" first it will kick the butt
                            of "rsync". You know that, too, but you just
                            like to argue. When copying the exact same
                            volume of data, "dd" is faster.
                            \_ While driving a car is faster than walking,
                               walking from Telegraph and Bancroft to
                               Telegraph and Durant is much faster than
                               driving.  "dd is faster" is meaningless
                               unless the problem is well-defined.  -tom
                               \_ Even your example is false.
                                  \_ Alright, we're convinced: you're an idiot.
                                     You don't have to try this hard just for
                                     \_ You may as well say that a plane
                                        is slower than walking, too. The
                                        statement about a 'well-defined'
                                        problem is your own parameter but
                                        doesn't change the fact that
                                        planes are faster than walking.
                                        \_ To put this in a way that even
                                           an idiotic computer geek might
                                           understand, if you have two
                                           different sort algorithms,
                                           one that's usually faster in
                                           practice but O(N^2), and one
                                           that's usually slower in practice
                                           but O(N log N), it makes no sense
                                           to say that one is intrinsically
                                           faster than the other.  It
                                           depends on the problem you have
                                           to solve.  -tom
                            \_ HAMMER GOOD!
                               If you took a second to think, you'd realize
                               you're clueless.  Or maybe not.  It's dim.
                               \_ Do you know what the word 'intrinsic'
                                  \_ Yes.  You seem to have trouble with the
                                     word 'slower', though.
                                     \_ "dd" is intrinsically faster.
                                        \_ Not for the problem posed (ergo
                                           "HAMMER GOOD").  If you want to
                                           keep spouting your technically
                                           correct and completely irrelevent
                                           point, by all means...  You will
                                           still be wrong.
                                           \_ You have come to know that which
                                              is tom.
                                              \_ hey moron: he's replying to
                                           \_ We don't even *know* what the
                                              problem posed is yet. However,
                                              we do know the guy wants to
                                              use 'dd' to solve it. Rsync
                                              may not even be a viable
                                              solution in this particular case.
        \_ What problem are you trying to solve? What are your priorities?
        \_ try using solaris' Volume Manager (also known as disksuite).
           create a one way mirror containing the current live FS as the
           initial submirror, then attach the second empty FS as another
           submirror.  wait for the second submirror to sync up, then at
           your leisure, detach the second submirror.
           look at metadb, metainit, metattach, metadetach, metaclear,
           and other "meta"commands. --Jon
           look at metadb, metainit, metattach, metaoffline/online,
           metadetach, metaclear, and other "meta"commands. --Jon
           \- i have a solaris 10 sunblade 1500 which some colleages
              wanted to clone to save time. i rebooted my machine and used
              /usr/bin/dd if=/dev/dsk/c0t0d0s2 of=/dev/dsk/c0t1d0s2 bs=1000k
              and thne fscked. all the machines work fine ( 5 clones). it
              sounds like you know what the issues are so just take this an
              a data point. 73gig disks ... i think it tok 40min or so.
              oh i am sure i booted it su and killed off most of the
              processes before running dd.
              \_ The thing with the Solaris LVM method is that you don't
                 really need to have the filesystem quiescent.  You get a
                 valid, consistent snapshot at the time of metaoffline or
                 metadetach. --Jon
              \_ As long as you understand this isn't considered "production
                 quality", if that worked for you, great.  I wouldn't do that
                 for something going into a data center 24x7, etc.
                 \- i bet lot of production operations were running on
                    less reliable windows installations (i dont know how
                    reliable windows OS is today). anyway, these are
                    cheep sun workstations with ide disks, so what do you
                    think. anyway, it seemed to be the OP was aware of the
                    "issues" and was just interested if it was "crazy talk"
                    [you'ld be lucky if it worked] vs. 99%chance it should
                    be fine. hence the "datapoint x5" comment.
                    \_ who said that just because you put a windows box in
                       production means its production quality?  thanks for
                       pointing out they're workstations.  that was so unclear.
                       i was pointing out that this isn't production quality.
                       \- are you a frequent visitor to Casino Troll?
                       \_ And what is "production quality"? This is essentially
                          what tools like "System Imager" do. What are you
                          afraid of? 'cksum' the OS if you want to. Bits
                          is bits.
                          \_ PQ: built correctly, not a hack job with dd
                             from another box.  Something you'd bet your
                             career on.  Workstation for the guys?  Whatever.
                             Server in the colo running critical db?  No way
                             is that getting built from a dd clone off a hot
                             drive.  Building a few dozen/hundred/whatever
                             web/whatever servers?  Jump/Kick Start.  I've
                             done the clone thing for workstations.  I'd
                             never do it for servers.  If you want to discuss
                             it in detail, post your name and we'll take it
                             to email.
2005/10/26-28 [Computer/SW/OS/Solaris] UID:40281 Activity:low
10/26   Any recommendations for Project management software, must be
        free$$ and run on Solaris/Linux/Windows. dotproject?
        \_ Hate to say it, but MS Project is the de facto standard. It
           is very expensive. I haven't found anything free that does
           close to what it does.
           \_ Which is what?  I looked at it in the past but wasn't impressed,
              though it's likely I didn't know what to look for.  --darin
              \_ Help manage a project? Scheduling, milestones, resources,
                 task management and planning, Gantt charts, etc.
2005/10/16-18 [Industry/Jobs, Computer/SW/OS/Solaris] UID:40129 Activity:nil
10/16   So any sun old timers still reading the motd? I was recently named a
        SARC "intern" and I wanted to find out if anyone has been through the
        "intern" process and if they had any tips/pointers. txn.
        \_ I'm a Sun "old timer" in several ways, especially if you count me
           playing with the first prototypes when I was 11 years old ... I
           was a Sun intern in summer of 1991 and had a blast.  My take from
           that was that if you actually do useful work and get anything
           accomplished you can get a job there once you graduate (I did).
           You get to meet Scott McNealy and hear his puppy calendar stories
           and for me it was the most fun I've ever had in a job, especially
           with the huge water battle between SunSoft and SunLabs. -eric
           \_ maybe I wasn't clear - I'm a staff eng at sun and I was put
              on the Software ARC (arch. review committee), and I wanted
              to get some pointers on what ARC members do, &c.
                \_ Nope that wasn't clear.  I joined Sun as an MTS-1 and only
                   worked there 2 1/2 years so I never got anywhere in that
                   regard -eric
              \_ neato.  sounds like a paper pushing job.
                 \_ From what I can tell it is mostly paper pushing, but
                    this is in addition to my regular job, so it just
                    means more work for me.
2005/10/13-14 [Computer/SW/OS/Solaris] UID:40077 Activity:high
10/13   I know how to set up nis master/slave services on a solaris (8)
        box.  But given already set up services, how can I tell which
        is master and which is slave?
        \_ 'ypwhich -m'  is what you want. The master server is encoded into
           the NIS maps themselves.   -ERic
        \_ ypwhich? iirc, the  master should tell you that it is its
           own master and the slave should tell you that the other
           machine is the master. I'm not sure if this works for nis+.
           \_ hmm, really?  in linux-land i have seen SlaveNIServerX
              respond to a yphich which "SlaveNIServerX"
              \_ I think I'm wrong, maybe 'ypwhich -m hosts' (or some
                 other map) might work.
                 \- you can use something like this:
    rpcinfo -p <host> |grep -q ypxfrd && echo "ypmaster" || echo "not_ypmaster"
       rpcinfo -p <host> |grep -q ypxfrd && echo YPMASTER || echo NOT_YPMASTER
                    obviously you can loop over something like
                    foreach i (`ypcat ypservers`). --psb
2005/10/7-9 [Computer/SW/OS/Solaris] UID:40017 Activity:nil
10/7    I'm using winxp's rsh to connect to a solaris 2.8 machine. Is there
        anyway to have the rsh connection timeout? Currently, it seems to
        hang forever when something goes wrong. So far the only remedy is
        to reboot the windoze machine. TIA.
        \_ I don't know anything about winxp's rsh but generically speaking
           you can wrap anything with perl or expect alarms/timers.
           \_ I have some dos scripts which invoke certain programs on
              solaris. Sometimes these scripts are invoked from other
              scripts and/or programs, but when someone uses ctrl-c, the
              rsh connection isn't closed properly, so the solaris host
              will refuse further rsh connections for the user in question.
              So on windows, rsh is no longer running (you can't kill it),
              but if you reboot the windows host, it will work again. Using
              netstat on solaris shows that it's waiting to close for the
              windows machine even though rsh on windows is no longer running.
              \_ use cygwin's rsh then.
                 \_ would this rsh close the network connection in the above
                    scenario? our build machine doesn't have cygwin installed
                    yet since our build-meister is still debating on whether
                    to include it or not on std build machines.
2005/7/25-27 [Computer/SW/OS/Solaris] UID:38821 Activity:kinda low
7/25    I have a MacOS 10.3 box that cannot connect via ssh to Solaris 9
        and Solaris 10 boxes. MacOS 10.2 and MacOS 10.4 work fine.
        Connections to Solaris 8 and Linux (from 10.3) work fine. What's
        up with 10.3 such that it won't work with Solaris 9 and 10?
        \- i ssh from my 10.3 powerbook to s9 and s10 many times a day
           for many months. this is to sun and openssh daemons. so your
           problem is local config and not some inherent interop issue
           \_ Can you supply which SSH version numbers you are using? It is
              not confined to any one Mac system or any one Solaris
              system. I can try many different Macs to many different Suns
              and have the same problem, but never with Solaris 8 and
              never with MacOS 10.2 or 10.4. Error is always: "Operation
              timed out." Nothing logged. Tcpdump shows lots of acks with
              no responses.
              \- if you just do a "telnet s9machine 22" do you get a
                 version banner?
                 \_ No.
        \_ I think you are running into the infamous ipv6 dns issue w/ 10.3.
           One way to fix this is add the same nameserver as the primary
           and secondary nameserver.
           \_ I did this and also turned off IPv6 in /etc/hostconfig. No joy.
              \_ Okay, that is VERY strange. Are all the boxes on the same
                 subnet? Maybe this is a routing issue.
                 Can you ping/traceroute the S9/10 boxes from 10.3?
                 \_ Various subnets and I cannot ping or connect to,
                    say, port 25 from MacOS 10.3. I *can* do these things
                    from other OS, including MacOS 10.2 and MacOS 10.4.
                    However, to Solaris 8 from 10.3 is fine. This started
                    after upgrading to 10.3 from 10.2. So far all systems
                    I have tested (3) do this. They worked fine before the
                    upgrade (fresh install, actually) and are on 3
                    different subnets.
        \_ Firewall or tcpwrappers?  -ax
           \_ That are selective to MacOS 10.3?
2005/6/29-30 [Computer/SW/OS/Solaris] UID:38352 Activity:nil
6/28    Solaris 9/10 local root exploit:
2005/6/23-25 [Computer/SW/OS/Solaris] UID:38267 Activity:nil
6/23    Stoopid Tech Q: Is there a version of CDE for SunOS 5.7?
        \_ Updated Q: how the hell do I get the CDE running from the
           command line?
           \_ /usr/dt/bin/dtsession?
              \_ got it, thanks.
              \_ turns out /usr/dt/bin/dtlogin -daemon does the trick.
                 \_ Oh.  in that case, /etc/init.d/dtlogin start
2005/6/23-25 [Computer/SW/OS/Solaris] UID:38262 Activity:nil
6/23    Help!  I am trying to convince my collegues that Solairs 10 is not
        even close to be used as a desktop OS.  They've kept telling me that
        since it uses Gnome UI, it has the same usability as Linux.  How
        do I counter that?  So far, I can say:
        1. Linux has a lot more working device drivers
        2. Linux has a lot more consumer-oriented, multi-media applications
        anything else?                  sun guy
        \_ Your counter to Solaris is Linux?  Grow up.
           \_ that is all the choice I have... lesser of two evils
        \_ I suppose you're talking about Solaris on intel?
           1. Is not very relevant if you intend to use Sun hardware and
              you don't mind paying their prices (it's not like Sun's
              opteron boxes are overpriced, but they're designed to be
              'workstation' class boxes. Don't even think of getting one
              for like $1000 or less unless you're an education customer).
           2. You could make a good case if you actually have such a software
              package in mind (e.g. I wouldn't have a hard time convincing my
              users to stay away from Solaris on intel just because Matlab or
              some other packages they use don't work on it)
        \_ I think Linux makes a really nice desktop. Maybe Solaris does,
           too. I haven't had it on the desktop since Solaris 8 and I
           don't miss it. Personally, I like Windows (in a Linux VM) or
           MacOS as my desktop.
2005/6/14-17 [Computer/SW/OS/Solaris] UID:38129 Activity:nil
6/14    open-sourced version of Solaris went on-line.
        I tried to get the message that at least they should
        LGPLed device drivers... the message never reach the top...
                                        Sun Guy
        \_ I tried to get the message that they should have
           released it w/ a BSD license and included java
           along w/ it, but that didn't happen either. - yaSunGuy
           \_ shoot me an email... we talk about this off-line.
        \_ I tried to tell Sun that Linux/Intel would really hurt them and
           their sales guys laughed and said that the server market is
           what they wanted anyway because it is where the profit is. I
           wonder how that's working out for them.
2005/5/5-6 [Computer/SW/OS/Solaris, Computer/HW/Laptop, Computer/HW/CPU] UID:37529 Activity:kinda low
5/5     I am not familar with Solaris, so, I may be biased... My impression,
        from a desktop/laptop user point of view, is that Linux has
        better userability than Solaris10, eventhough Solaris 10 also come
        with a gnome desktop environment.  However, I find myself in a
        rare position of not knowing how to articulate this point to
        some of the Solaris fanatics.  Their argumenet is that since S10
        is also equipped with GNOME, userability is the same as Linux.
        1. is this arguement flawed?
        2. if you think Linux indeed has better usability, any concret example
           of userability is more than gnome desktop    TIA
        \_ From a user point of view, the biggest advantage of Linux is
           all the software it ships with. All of that *can* be added to
           Solaris, but it isn't there out of the box. Another advantage
           of Linux is that for most tasks the actual hardware is faster,
           assuming you are running Intel/AMD. Sun has the advantage for
           problems that fit within the larger CPU cache, but are larger
           then the (smaller) Intel cache.
        \_ No Linux desktop user has any basis for say his desktop is superior
           in usability to the S10 desktop.  This is like the dateless ugly
           girl at the dance picking on the other ugly girl for not having a
           \_ Thanks for erasing my post and adding bullshit at the same
              \_ it's ok, I read it already.  -- OP
           \_ that is why I post this on motd.  If i think i am in a
              position of being objective, i probably can make assessment
              on my own.  having said that, from little things such as
              ls, man command, to the way driver installed on S10, I
              still think Linux is friendlier.
              \_ BWWAAAAHAHAHAHA!  Man, it's 'friendlier' until you have to do
                 low down systems level programming.  Then it's 'friendly'
                 in the same way your 320lb cellmate 'Butch' is friendly.
                 \_ ^320lb cellmate^neurotic 320lb cellmate
              \_ Is that what the server world has really come down to?  One
                 version of 'ls' is "friendlier" (meaning: the way you learned
                 it on the one system) therefore that system is superior?  I'm
                 curious how many non-Linux systems you've used and for how
                 many years each.
                 \_ Your point is correct, but I've just watched (again)
                    a bunch of presentations tearing gaping new assholes in
                    Windows security.  Maybe he should have mentioned this.
                    Usability is actually pretty decent.  -John
        \_ What about drivers? Unless you buy hardware from Sun, you're
           going to have some serious problems with hardware support.  In
           addition, the number of binary-only desktop applications seems to be
           dwindling (for example our users would like to be able to use the
           latest Matlab and Acrobat reader but those aren't available on
           Solaris/x86). In addition, even though Sun includes Gnome, I doubt
           Solaris x86 comes with as many popular open source applications as
           there are in a typical Linux dist (but then I could be wrong, I
           haven't used Sol10 myself yet although Solaris 9 loses hands down in
           this area even though it also comes with Gnome).
           \_ Easy fix for that: just buy Sun hardware.
        \_ I don't understand the desire on the part of some people to attempt
           to compare the quality/friendliness/whatever of the desktop
           environments of what are really server systems.  If you want a nice
           GUI, buy a Mac.  If you want to play games, work in an office, and
           have the largest variety of desktop apps, buy Windows.  If you want
           a server system and you're the one making the buying deicision, the
           question is not "Is this Gnome better than that Gnome?"  The
           question you're answering and the 'debate' you've involved in is
           \_ Someone has to develop the apps for the server system and
              that lucky person often gets to use it as a desktop. It is
              true, though, that using a PC/Mac as one's desktop and
              remotely connecting to the server to code makes sense
              depending on the app being developed.
              \_ Yep, I've got the kind of luck where I have to use CDE
                 at work. As far as desktops go, Linux is easier to use
                 on x86 because there are just a lot more people using it
                 and improving it. Also, I'd have to say GNU utilities are
                 generally superior to default solaris ones.
2005/4/29-5/1 [Computer/SW/Security, Computer/SW/OS/Solaris] UID:37425 Activity:moderate
4/29    Why did Sun decide to implement SMF in Solaris 10? Was it just to
        piss off customers or is there some technical advantage?
        \_ Are you talking about the new way to start/stop programs,
           &c.?  If so, I must agree that the only purpose was to piss
           off customers and prove that Sun can do something stupid and
           different than Linux (chkconfig may not be great, but it
           mostly works and everyone knows how to write init scripts)
           BTW, SMF pissed off a lot of ppl inside sun who have to ship
           products on other *nix than Solaris.
           \_ I guess Sun should be on if it isn't
        \_ Can someone give me a list of reasons why SMF is bad?
           \_ Complicated new way to do something that has already been
              done. Like I said, if there's some technical advantage then
              I'd like to know what it is. Maybe there is one. If not, it
              is just change for change's sake.
           \_ 1. SMF uses non-standard commands - you can't simply
                 start/stop a process by calling its init script,
                 you have to know what its SMF "name" is. Even if
                 you don't have to deal w/ other *nix, SMF makes
                 switching btwn S9 and S10 a pain.
              2. SMF enable/disable semantics are bizarre - you
                 can't just say enable/disable X like in chkconfig
                 and assume that the daemon is enabled
              3. SMF fails to provide adequate feedback re failures
                 of configuration. Often, you can't tell if a fault
                 needs to be cleared in order for it be enabled.
                 service can be enabled.
              4. SMF's files are non-standard and their contents
                 are not explained well - the purpose of SMF is
                 to make fault recover/mgmt easier, however if
                 most of your admins don't/can't figure out how
                 to fix config problems, faults will take longer
                 to remedy. Developers and Admins should not have
                 to read some guys blog on in order
                 to get details on how the system works.
                    \_ Yes there are docs, but the docs don't
                       really have anything useful in the. Ex.
                       tell me where in that page it specifies
                       how to use svcadm to disable a process
                       from being started or how to tell if
                       the reason a particular process is not
                       starting automatically is b/c SMF thinks
                       that the process is in 'fault' state and
                       must be cleared.
              5. The fault mgmt functionality provided by SMF could
                 easily have been provided through additions to
                 existing functionality (specific args to init
                 scripts, allowing apps to dump monitoring scripts
                 into a given directory, &c.)
                \_ Sounds like one of those numerous cases where Sun was trying
                   to solve the problem which has been already solved
                   by others and comes up with some terribly complicated and
                   non-standard way of doing things. *sigh*
2005/3/9 [Computer/SW/OS/Solaris, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:36604 Activity:low
3/9     After I start an xterm in SunOS 5 and Linux, is there any command to
        change the title of the xterm window?  Thanks.
        \_ Check ~geordan/bin/retitle
           \_ That 2 should probably be a 0 -- that way the new title stays
              even when the window is minimized (or whatever the standard
              X term for that is). -alexf
              \_ using 1 will change the icon title.  using 0 changes both.
        \_ I always just type:
           % cat
           ^[]0;New Title^G
           (^[ = escape, ^G = ctrl-G, ^D = ctrl-D)  --dbushong
2005/2/23-24 [Computer/SW/OS/Solaris, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:36382 Activity:nil
2/23    Trying to load tcsh on a SunOS 5.7 machine, getting C compiling
        errors. Resources? Suggestions? STFW returns nothing useful.
        \_ what errors?
        \_ Trying to load it or compile it? If you are just trying to load
           it, get it from sunfreeware and pkgadd it.
2005/1/5-7 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux, Computer/SW/OS/Solaris] UID:35563 Activity:very high
1/5     So who else thinks that Linux Kernel Development has gone haywire?
        WTF is up with this movement from an 8k to a 4k stack in the kernel
        that breaks tons of existing drivers that are ported over from
        Windows? And wtf is this crap doing on production distros like
        Fedora? Don't they realize that if you're going to have a large
        install base that you can't arbitrarily do crap like that anymore?
        \_ I agree that they are lame and have always have been, but
           Fedora isn't a production distro. That's RHEL.
           \_ So in other words RH just became even dumber than they used to
              be by foisting Fedora on the user community and charging
              for the bugfree version.
              \_ Fedora is a development platform; that's how it is positioned.
                 If you don't want a development platform, run RHEL, or
                 debian or whatever.  It's not being "foisted" on you.  -tom
                 \_ No shit sherlock. But the problem is that usually what
                    happens in Fedora is just reflected in RHEL. RH being
                    the dumbass company that it is obviously doesn't
                    do anything like do a real-world usability test on
                    its distro so going from one major release to the next
                    results in all your binaries being broken. Also,
                    a lot of end-user end up using Fedora because they
                    stopped distributing RH, so in effect it is being
                    foisted on the userbase with the said userbase
                    complaining about things being broken.
                    \_ you're a moron.  -tom (really)
                       \_ you're tom. -idiot
                          \_ Ouch, now THERE'S a harsh insult.
                       \_ I'm not sure what part you are objecting
                          to, but RH's pricing structure for EL has
                          driven lots of people to use Fedora Core
                          as a production OS. Many times it is hard
                          to justify the added cost of installing
                          EL and a customer choses to deploy FC.
                          You don't really have a choice but to
                          support FC as a application developer.
                          It isn't really practical to tell a customer
                          to install Debian 3.0R3 or something.
              \_ yeah but the bug free version is GPL also. you can try to
                 use CentOS or one of the other RHEL redistributions.
                 unfortunately they still suck as a consumer OS.
                 actually <DEAD><DEAD> looks interesting.
        \_ They break drivers all the time anyway as far as I could tell.
           You're supposed to stick with some old kernel for a long time for
           actual consumer use. But why would you need drivers for Linux?
           It's not like you can play games or really do anything anyway.
           \_ Well, unfortunately since Sun did such a bad job maintaining
              market share us EDA folks are being forced into Linux. Now
              we have to do do crap like recompile the kernel just so the
              stupid display driver works.
              \_ Yeah I use that stuff at work. As long as other people are
                 responsible for making it all work I don't really care.
        \_ I compare the adoption of linux by corporate america to the
           ubiquity of windows.  Some mid-level managers and idiot salespeople
           who thought it gave them cache foisted it upon the world where it
           went batshit crazy and drove us all insane.
           \_ I actually prefer Linux to, say, Solaris or HP-UX. It has
              its limitations, but overall it is cheaper, faster, and
              easier to maintain in many ways.
              \_ ditto. -- SUN guy
                     \_ No offense, but Solaris is a far better
                        operating system.  Just because for a long
                        time Solaris didnt ship with perl and you
                        have to build you own tcpdump doesnt make
                        it otherwise.  If you get involved in the
                        innards of operating systems, this is pretty
                        clear.  There are some SysV things that
                        arent ideal, but if you are trying to debug
                        low-level things, it is pretty clear.
                        \_ Not to mention that drivers actually work
                           in Solaris...
                           \_ Linux has far more working drivers than Solaris.
                              Solaris just works on the very limited hardware
                              Sun provides.  -tom
                           \_ I work for SUN and I've been fighting on driver
                              issue everyday.  And I can tell you flat out
                              that you may think driver works on Solaris, but
                              Linux is the only way to go.  People would
                              write Linux drivers, but SUN relys on 150 people
                              in Beijing to crank out those things one by
                              one.  As hard as those Chinese monkey works,
                              they can never match the speed which hardware
                              comes up.
                           \_ You must live in some other universe. I work
                              for Sun and we have the hardest time getting
                              drivers to work for even simple stuff like
                              gigE nics (ex E1000 driver on S10 was a
                              nightmare for a long time). And you can forget
                              about AGP in most cases. Some big shots felt
                              AGP was the shits so no support in Solaris.
                              There were several cluster deals we couldn't
                              bid on b/c there was no AGP support in Solaris.
                              \_ hey, would you mind if I contact you?
                                        -another SUN guy (id 152093)
                        \_ I think you may be missing the forest for the trees
                           here.  How many people spend their time debugging
                           ``low-level things?''  How many people just want
                           the system to come with a modern version of perl?
                           Once you reach a critical threshold level of
                           stability (which Linux hit some time in 1999 or
                           so) comparing OS internals dick size becomes
                           \- if you want to say linux is more useful
                              because i can surf my p0rn and play my mpegs
                              "better" that's fine. useful to me !=
                              better os design. it's not a matter of
                              how many people do this. it's more like
                              looking to a kernel crash dump tells you
                              a lot about what is under the hood.
                              \_ In the REAL world, most people write
                                 applications that run on the OS. I
                                 can almost understand that Sun doesn't
                                 want to ship MySQL or PostgreSQL w/
                                 Solaris, but WHY IN PARTHA'S NAME
                                 did they wait till S9U3 to ship wget
                                 in /usr/sfw and S10 to add gcc? I
                                 shouldn't have to go to some website
                                 to download badly packaged freeware.
                                 Every single Linux distro comes with
                                 this stuff pre-installed. Oh yeah,
                                 instead of chkconfig and isc dhcpd
                                 I get svcadm and sun dhcpd which are
                                 complete CRAP.
                                 Linux has its own problems, but one
                                 HUGE advantage of Linux is that you
                                 can tell your customers to get RHEL
                                 3 ES or SuSE Pro, install it in
                                 server config and then install your
                                 software on top of it. The same RPMS
                                 every time, in the same location,
                                 it makes it easy to test, debug and
                                 support. Unlike Solaris where you
                                 have to ship all your 3d party pkgs
                                 you don't have to worry about keeping
                                 up to date with fixes, PostgreSQL
                                 security patches, wget vulnerabilites
                                 &c. The OS vendor takes care of that
                                 so you can concentrate on your app.
                           \_ and for your information, MS Windows hit
                              that threshold by year 2000 with Windows 2000.
                              Despite you may not think that way.
              \_ I don't. Solaris + Native Sun HW is definitely a lot
                 easier to setup and better integrated than Linux. Solaris
                 x86 on the other hand makes zero sense. Sun HW also used
                 \_ let me tell you something.  The biggest mistake SUN
                    ever made was terminate its Solaris x86 program back in
                    2000.  Since then, Linux took off.
                                -SUN guy who is trying to sell Solaris10
                 to be quality, of course since the U-Sparc 5/10 days
                 this is no longer true. HP-UX is basically dead, has been
                 since the late 90s. I just think it's really lame that
                 in the year 2004 I have to recompile the stupid kernel
                 to get something like UDMA to work. In some ways, Linux
                 sucks because it's just a rehash of 30 year old tecnology
                 on cheap commodity hardware. I mean, shouldn't there be
                 something better than what's essentially just glorified
                 UNIX? In all the years with Linux I haven't really seen
                 anything that really was groundbreaking in terms of
                 kernel dev. I mean, wtf was Torvaldis smoking when he
                 decided he was too lazy to implement a modular structure
                 to the kernel, and why hasn't this been corrected in the
                 15 odd years that Linux has been around?
                 \_ What Torvalds was smoking when he decided he was too lazy
                    to implement a modular structure in the kernel:
                    You may bitch, but history shows him to be correct.
                    \_ "correct"...  Linux has become more modular over time,
                       and other OSes haven't sacrificed their modular design
                       at the altar of Linus.  What exactly was he "correct"
                       about?  That linux beat minix?  Big whoop.
                       \_ Hah, exactly my point. It's like saying that
                          the Chinese had stopped charging families for the
                          bullet they execute prisoners with. Going from
                          the Americans had stopped genociding people
                          for human rights, freedom and democracy.  Going from
                          crap to not so crappy isn't exactly innovation.
                \_ the bigger picture is not about technical superiority.
                   and i was hoping you guys notice that when Windows captured
                   98% of the OS market while argueably it is the worse
                   major OS on the market right now.
                   \_ No, the point was that Windows 98 was backwards
                      compatible with Windows 95 which was backwards
                      compatible with Windows 3.11, etc. Now Linux
                      version 2.6.6 isn't even fucking compatible with
                      Linnux version 2.6.5. That's progress?
        \_ Man, this whole thread could be summarised as: OP is upset that
           Linux community doesn't care about 3rd party drivers, and many
           CSUAers continue to deride Linux for not being enough like
           X \in { BSD, Solaris, DomainOS, ... }.
2004/12/1 [Computer/HW/CPU, Computer/SW/OS/Solaris] UID:35146 Activity:high
12/1    open source sadness, SUN being destroyed by linux..
        \_ More like Sun stupidity by refusing to either
           A) Make Solaris x86 free until it was too late.
           B) Give up on the stupid "java thin client" crap
           C) Open Source Solaris and let people actually write
              drivers for 3rd party peripherals.
           D) Standardize on a PC architecture instead of dragging
              on forever with a dying USPARC platform.
           \_ Re: C), Why does it need to be open source for people to write
              drivers for 3rd party peripherals?  XP is not open source, but
              people can write drivers.
              \_ Obviously you don't understand software/hardware economics.
                 Unless your OS has a large entrenched user base (such as
                 Windows) nobody is going to spend money on writing
                 drivers for it. It's economically unsound, especially
                 if you have to buy the tools. Solaris didn't even come
                 with a free cc compiler (SunOS did). As for writing
                 drivers for XP, it costs in the neighborhood of $10,000
                 to develop a driver for it (I know, I've been involved
                 in one). Solaris needs to be open sourced so that OSS
                 people can port Linux drivers to it (which has been done
                 before) or write drivers from the ground up, especially
                 on an X86 platform. Apple's OS X would have faced the same
                 problem if it had jumped onto the X86 platform.
        \_ I am glad. I was a big, big Sun customer who kept telling my
           reps that we were going to move to Linux mostly because of cost
           since we actually prefer Solaris. Most of us don't care
           about the OS price (cheap) or whether it is open source.
           It's the Intel hardware that was much cheaper and drove the
           decision. My reps had the attitude that we were small potatoes
           since we didn't buy lots of E10Ks and that it was fine for
           client-side to be Linux as long as they could sell their
           expensive servers. Now they are paying the price for not
           listening to their customers...
           \_ Not just that--I've encountered some pretty serious
              incompetence here.  They had the chance to take a really huge
              services contract away from a major outsourcer--they threw a
              half-wit project manager and two untrained sysadmins without
              work permits at it, because "hey, we're Sun, nobody would ever
              refuse us".  -John
              \_ Sun's proposal to replace uclink was pathetic; the people
                 who came to do the presentation had no idea what was in
                 it, and no idea of the Berkeley environment.  -tom
        \_ it's like the mama spider whose babies eat her once their born
           \_ As long as someone eventually beats Micro$oft, I don't care.
            \_ and linux is going to do that?? hahahaah
        \_ Incidentally, why do people rave about Ed Zander?  What exactly
           did he accomplish at Sun?
        \_ Four sysadmins administer a 400 server webfarm, along with
           a database server, email server, all the corporate servers
           and all the networking equipment. We can do this because
           we run all Sun hardware and software. Tell me a place that
           runs linux and does this. -Sun fan
           \_ Any place that runs Linux on an AS400, dorkus. It's called IBM,
              they are going Linux, it's well supported, and runs like a
           \_ You know, administering 100 (likely similarly configured)
              machines is not really _that_ hard for any competent sysadmin as
              long as they run some form of *nix.
        \_ Sun is out to destroy itself.  Sun Service's new trick is to come
           in, declare all the SA's overpaid, and replace them with Sun Service
           H1-B's making $20/hr.  -ax
        \_ It is more like.. if they get destroyed, it would be because of
           their own stupidity. They should have seen the Linux/x86 threat
           coming a long time ago. Granted, they're ARE embrassing Linux and
           x86 now and have plans to open source Solaris. So, it's possible
           they're not a toast yet. Though, their sales people STILL don't
           understand that the time when they could have made thousands and
           thousands of profit per machine sold are over. The other day I was
           looking at their education promotions page, and the best deal for
           "low-end" server is a dual USIIIi rack box that costs $7000.  Say
           what? I can get a Dell twice as fast with storage 5 times the sun
           for half the price. If that's the best they can offer, I feel really
           really sorry for them.
2004/11/8-9 [Computer/SW/OS/Solaris] UID:34760 Activity:low
10/8    On solaris, what do the two flags [+-] between the username and the
        #blocks used represent. Sample...
                      Block limits
        User        used   soft   hard           timeleft
        foo    -- 2104304 5000000 10000000
        bar    +- 21538656 20000000 220000000    2.4 days
        \_ Could they mean you are over one quota but not the other???
           Doesn't the man page answer this?
           \_ The plus I believe does mean over soft quota.  I am guessing
              the second plus would mean time has expired.  Not in manpage.
2004/8/9 [Computer/SW/OS/Solaris] UID:32787 Activity:high
8/9     old sun ray's are cheap on ebay (<$50). do you need special sw to use
        them or will they work w/ a properly installed solaris installation?
        \_ is it really worth $50?
           \_ what's a cheap altenrative? btw, <$50 includes one i saw for
              $10.50. w/ monitor = $75.
        \_ You need sunray server software, free download
2004/8/4-5 [Computer/SW/OS/Solaris] UID:32696 Activity:very high
8/4     I have a Solaris UFS (USPARC, not x86) formatted drive.
        Can I access this safely with a 2.4.xx Linux kernel through
        USB (going to put UFS ide drive into an IDE-USB convertor.
        Read somewhere that this might not be possible.
        \_ ro sort of works, provided you turn off logging under
           \_ What does solaris logging have to do with accessing it
              under Linux? If I had logging turned on under Solaris
              then if I transfer the drive over to Linux it won't work?
              Sorry, this is somewhat confusing to me. Can you elaborate?
              I also only need RO access because I'm going to wipe the
              drive and dump it after (it's only a 4 gig drive). As
              I understand it, there's some problems with endianess
              but I would think a proper UFS driver under linux would
              take care of that.
           \_ this is obviously because bill gates has hidden away the
              inner workings of his OS and is evil!
              \_Huh? -OP
                \_ See how you are?
2004/6/25-27 [Computer/SW/OS/Misc, Computer/SW/OS/Solaris] UID:31015 Activity:nil
6/25    If you are running ISC Dhcpd 3.0.1rc{12,13} consider upgrading
        to rc14:
2004/6/16 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux, Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD, Computer/SW/OS/Solaris] UID:30826 Activity:very high
6/16    I just got a new dual proc xeon server that will be replacing an
        old E250 running Solaris. Gentoo is looking pretty good to me, but
        I don't have too much experience w/ Linux/BSD. Instead of igniting
        a flamewar, does anyone have a good URL that might line up the various
        x86 *nixes so that I might figure out which is best for me? I've used
        Debian in the past, but that was a while back.
        \_ What are you going to use it for?  It may not matter which one.  It
           is likely that whatever you or the eventually sysadmin or end users
           are most comfortable with is the 'best' OS for your purposes.
        \_ In the same vein, are there any specific disadvantages to ReiserFS
           over ext3?
2004/5/13-14 [Computer/SW/OS/Solaris] UID:30207 Activity:high
5/13    Solaris Q: a friend needs to run a 32 bit app on a 64 bit solaris
        machine.  Is there a way to figure out which mode the kernel is in,
        and/or to change the mode?  Sorry for the vagueness, I'm just wondering
        if there's a really easy solution.  Thanks
        \_ man isainfo. Note: you can run 32-bit apps on 64-bit solaris.
           You can also easily google this shit.
2004/5/11 [Computer/SW/OS/Solaris] UID:30146 Activity:very high
5/10    I have years of experience with Solaris, but someone is asking if i've
        used "Solaris availability enhancements".  What the heck are they
                        \- these used to be known as Solaris Implants.
        talking about?  tnx,
        \_ Means that the person you are talking to has never used Solaris.
           There's no such thing as "Solaris availability enhancements" unless
           person is talking about required patch clusters and server lockdown
           procedures plus potentially fallover switching to "enhance" uptime
           of said server. But I've never met anyone inside or outside sun
           or on sunmanagers that has ever referred to anything of that sort.
        \_ Sun Clustering/HA stuff was very big not long ago.  Haven't heard
           much out of them of late because they've been pretty much priced
           out by other HA options.  The way it's phrased does indicate pointy-
           hairedness, though.
        \_ time to hit the google sonny
        \_ Probably things like Sun Cluster and/or Veritas Cluster, Veritas or
           Solaris LVM, etc.
        \_ Note how most of the replies are in the form of "the idiot who
           asked you probably is asking about X,Y,Z".  There is no such thing.
           This is some marketing person, pseudo-technical manager, or worse,
           a marketing manager who once managed to turn on their own PC, right?

[restored, but maybe not completely intact]
2004/5/3-4 [Recreation/Activities, Computer/SW/OS/Solaris] UID:29955 Activity:very high
5/2     Is anybody running SpamAssassin on SOLARIS (5.7)?
        Does it run reliably?  Easy/Hard to install?
        \_ I've run it on Solaris 5.8.  Everything runs fine except for spamd
           which segfaults on startup.  I'm not sure why and haven't had the
           time to look into it any further.  Though this begs the question,
           why are you still running 5.7?  5.8 is pretty crufty and ancient, I
           can only imagine what 5.7 is like. -dans
           \_ I've run spamd for long periods on Solaris 8 before, and it's
              been pretty reliable.
           \_ 5.8 isn't much different from 5.7.  Many old 5.7 sites saw no
              reason to up to 5.8 because, well, there aren't any.  5.9 added
              a few things for some people.  5.10 might actually be new.  For
              the average joe running spamassassin on some old box he might as
              well be running anything from 2.51 to 2.9 for all it matters.
              \- anybody running crm114? having dealt with a reasonable
                 number of programs that can be described as "do complicated
                 analysis on hostile input", SA makes me nervous ...
                 especially when your are getting the arb input both in terms
                 of mail and users writing fairly arbitrary "policy". --psb
                 \_ I've been running crm114 for about 2 months but only doing
                    a small amount of training.  It does at least as well as
                    spamassassin even though I'm not training it like I should
                    be.  If SA catches it, crm114 mostly will.  crm114 catches
                    many things SA doesn't.  Unfortunately, a few things still
                    slip by *both*.  Yes, I'm using both on the same stream.
2004/4/20 [Computer/Rants, Computer/SW/OS/Solaris] UID:13299 Activity:nil
4/20    I just learned that Sun Microsystems signed a non-aggression
        pact with the Evil Empire Micro$oft. Since when did McNealy
        becomes Bill Gates' bitch?
        \_ "Keep your friends close, but your enemies closer."
        \_ This happened a couple of weeks back.
2004/4/15-16 [Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD, Computer/SW/OS/Solaris, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:13219 Activity:high
4/15    How do people deal with long file names when burning CD?  Rockridge
        extension only allows upto 32 (31?) characters.
        \_ Rockridge supports up to 127 characters in UNIX.
        \_ tar (or use whichever archiver) first
        \_ can unix read PC and hybrid cd formats?
           \_ Depends on the UNIX. Linux can red Joliet if you compile it in.
              I'm sure *BSD has a backport. No go on Solaris.
        \_ I usually burn w/ joliet extensions turned on. This results in
           the shorter 8.3 file names on solaris boxes that can't read joliet,
           but the file names show up correctly on Linux, MacOS (9/X) and
        \_ I usually burn with joliet (-J), rockridge (-R/-r), the
           translation table (-T), and long file names (-l).  Probably
           overkill, but no problems reading the names.
           \_ cool, but which program on Darwin/OSX does that?
                \_ hdiutil, toast and mkisofs can all do this (the
                   options specified look like they are for mkisofs)
                   To make a joliet/iso9660 hybrid using hdiutil:
                   $ hdiutil makehybrid -verbose -iso -joliet \
                             -default-volume-name [vol name] -o [iso file] \
                   \_ mkisof is not available on Darwin.  hdiutil only
                      does iso level 2 so probably cannot do the job.
                   \_ mkisof is not available on Darwin.  Anyway hdiutil
                      to make an image before burning.  Unfortunately if
                      you want Rock Ridge extension, you have to use
                      something else to make the image first.  At least
                      for the version I have: 5.2
                      probably does the job though I haven't checked.
                      What's nice about Toast is that it does not need
                      to make an image before burning, unfortunately unless
                      you want Rock Ridge extension, and it cannot be operated
                      from command line.  At least for the version I have: 5.2
2004/3/8 [Computer/SW/OS/Solaris] UID:12561 Activity:high
3/8     Are there any commands on soda equivalent to prtinfo/psrinfo/isainfo
        on SunOS 5?  Thanks.
        \_ The correct term is "Solaris", not "SunOS 5".
        \_ whats sunos5?
           \_ SunOS foo 5.7 Generic_106541-08 sun4u sparc
              \_ That'd be Solaris 7.
                 \_ It would also be SunOS 5.7.
                    \_ sure, if you want to sound like a newbie.
                       \_ We went from SunOS 4 to Solaris 2.x to Solaris x
                          and you think 5.7 sounds like a newby? You're
                          the newby.
                             okay, newbie?
                          \_ Using what other people in the field use makes you
                             !newbie.  Sticking to some oddball strict number
                             scheme which has no more value than any other
                             oddball numbering scheme makes you stupid.  I go
                             back far enough that I don't even want to tell you
                             what my first *nix was.  I say Solaris 2.x --or--
                             Solaris x where x = 7,8,9,10,etc.  Why?  Because
                             people understand wtf I'm talking about.
                             \_ I understand. OTOH, the OS itself
                                identifies itself as SunOS 5.7. To say one
                                is a newby for calling the OS what it is
                                is the sort of thing only a newby would say.
                                I agree I also use Solaris more often. BFD.
                                \_ I'm not calling anyone a newbie but it
                                   does sound 'funny' when I sometimes hear
                                   someone say 5.7.  Usually it is a recruiter.
                                   I know a helluva lot about Solaris but I
                                   still meet people who have been around even
                                   longer than me or used it more extensively
                                   or whatever who know things I don't.  I do
                                   not call anyone 'newbie'.  Some people are
                                   more experienced than me and some are less.
           \_ dont be a dumb ass.
2003/12/31 [Computer/SW/OS/Solaris] UID:11622 Activity:nil
12/30   Does anyone know of a practical way to find out the sequence of
        calls to functions from dynamically-linked libraries in a program
        that doesn't have debug info? This is on solaris 8, btw. Also,
        is there a utility that will show all the functions in a static or
        shared library (on unix in general)? Thanks.
        \_ "truss -u library program" will show you the function calls;
           "nm" will list the functions.
           \_ thanks! i always assumed truss only did syscalls.
2003/11/18 [Computer/SW/OS/Solaris, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:29640 Activity:very high
11/17   What's the Unix command to see how fast the CPU is?
        \_ dmesg
           \_ I just tried this on Soda and it didn't work, just got:
              dmesg: Command not found.
        \_ on Linux: cat /proc/cpuinfo  or  x86info
        \_ /var/run/dmesg.boot
        \_ OK, so what's the real command to see how fast the CPU is?  -op
           \_ What exactly are you looking for thet the above do not provide?
        \_ it would help if you mentioned which unix you were using.  in case
           you didn't know, it depends.
           \_ Sun, Solaris  -op
2003/11/11-12 [Computer/SW/Languages/Perl, Computer/SW/OS/Solaris, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:11030 Activity:low
11/11   ls -lt lists all files in a directory in chronological order.
        For files nearly a year old, it only lists the date, but not the
        time, of last modification.  But it lists them in non-alphabetical
        order.  Thus, I suspect it is indeed listing them in order of most
        recently modified.  So, then, it presumably knows the modification
        time.  How can I get it to list the modification time, rather than
        the year, for older files?
        \_ get the ls that comes with GNU coreutils. it shows both date and
           time, but only up to hour and minute.
        \_ Try -T, works on FreeBSD
           \_ Whoa, that's really useful, never knew about that; thanks! Too
              bad it's not standard. -!op
          \_ works here, but not on my machine at work.
             \_ which runs....?
                \_ Solaris
                   \_ Solaris follows the POSIX standard
                   \_ Maybe try /usr/xpg/bin/ls ?
        \_ Try tarring up the file and scping it to soda
        \_ As with all problems, this can be solved with perl:  alias ls-lt to:
           perl -e 'chdir$ARGV[0]if@ARGV;opendir D,".";print scalar localtime $_\
->[0]," $_->[1]\n"for sort{$a->[0]<=>$b->[0]}map{[(stat)[9],$_]}grep\!/^\../,readdir D'
           (note the \'ed ! to make your shell happy).  Then you can just say
           % ls-lt /tmp
           % ls-lt
           and get the full dates.  --dbushong
           \_ or you might even be able to do tar tf on the tarfile
2003/11/3-4 [Computer/SW/OS/Solaris] UID:10919 Activity:high
11/3    I'm getting a no space left on device error even though all
        my partitions have plenty of free space. Any ideas?
        \_ you might have a large unlinked file that's still open for writing.
           You can reboot to fix this or use lsof to find which process is
           using that file.
        \_ not sure what/how your OS reports it but you may want to check
           your inodes.
           \_ Solaris 9, my system hasn't been rebooted in 240 days. A Sun
                guy told me switch to directio, but I don't see how that has
                anything to do this with.
           \_ Solaris 9, my system rebooted last week. thanks.
                \_ Check the write permission on the devices.
                \_ sun support just isn't what it used to be... directio?
           You can reboot to fix this or use lsof to find which process is using
           that file.
                \_ Check the write permission on the devices.
                \_ Check inode count like the above person said.
2003/10/27-28 [Computer/SW/OS/Solaris] UID:10810 Activity:nil
10/27   Where can I get a list of Solaris exit code meanings?
        I am interested in 9, 10, and 11... Thanks!! I know my
        program is not returning those, so something is setting it..
        \_ /usr/include/errno.h
           \_ exit codes, not error codes
        \_ man siginfo and better yet: /usr/include/sys/signal.h
           \_ sigh
        \_ wow. both answers totally miss the mark. clever!
           here's my attempt:
         "\_ try looking at /etc/fstab". -ali.
           \_ I can do better, "did you check /etc/nsswitch.conf?"
              \_ /usr/pub/ascii
                 \_ good one, but to be truly great you'd have to direct
                    the op to the octal section.
        \_ /usr/include/sys/errno.h
           Why do you give an answer if you don't really know it?
           \_ exit codes, not error codes
        \_ man program, look under heading called EXIT STATUS
2003/10/21-27 [Computer/SW/OS/Solaris] UID:10711 Activity:nil
10/20   Looking for Sr. Unix sysadmin with strong Solaris, Veritas
        NetBackup, Volume Manager/VCS skills. Experience with HDS and
        Brocade a plus.  Location just south of SF. E-mail me -- Marco
2003/10/4-5 [Computer/SW/OS/Solaris] UID:10467 Activity:nil
10/3    I'm a linux person, and my work is requiring me to learn Solaris,
        which I have very little experience with.  Any good books that
        you guys can recommend or courses offered in Bay Area?  I need
        to learn Solaris 2.6 and 9, with emphasis on 9.  Thanks.
        \_ planning skills are easily transferable.  hardware references can
           be found online.  I'd suggest picking up O'Reilly Essential System
           Administration.  Lots of translation tables between "the Linux Way",
           "The Solaris Way", and so on.. BSD's, AIX, HP even.  It's all the
           same beast.  Also, there's plenty of solaris fu on wall.  throw out
           a question sometime.
        \_ They're all the same for the most part.  Are you just being a low
           level admin or they want you to run a veritas clustered database
           on multiple E10Ks?
2003/10/1-2 [Computer/SW/OS/Solaris] UID:10403 Activity:nil
10/1    I'm on solaris and trying to increase the number of open file descriptors
        my processes can have. I've used limit and ulimit under zsh and bash,
        respectively, to set these to say, 400. limit and ulimit -a apparently
        confirm these changes. But when I write a program to test this out,
        it still fails after the default of 256 open files. Any idea what I
        might be doing wrong? Thanks.
        \_ The number 256 should've clued you in on what's going on.
           \_ umm, duh. the question is why is it still at 256...
              \_ yes, and you apparently missed the boat by a mile. 256 is
              2^8. You're calling a clib function. Think about it. It's not
              that hard....
                 \_ umm, again, no. you're probably missing the boat by
                    several miles then. do you even know c? or perhaps you're
                    just way over my head, in which case you should explain
                    to mere mortals what gems can be found in your seemingly
                    idiotic comments.
                    \_ Each time a file is opened space is allocated for
                    a new file descriptor. The descriptors are in an array.
                    In order to find an empty slot in the descriptor array the
                    kernel has to traverse the list. During the early days of SunOS
                    this was found to be rather expensive. So instead a bit field was devised
                    in order to determine used and open descriptor slots.
                    And guess what they used for the bit field, a byte.
                    Since process info has to be stored in kernel memory,
                    this was seen as saving space, so each process had
                    an associated bit field for the descriptor array.
                    Hence the 256 limit.
                       \_ welcome to a new century. the default hard limit is
                          now 1024. see below, limit is 256 only for standard
                          library functions, and this is removed on 64 bit
                          solaris 7. go figure. and i did say solaris, not
                          old SunOS.
        \_ Solaris max is 256 for 32-bit apps. See rlim_fd_max in
           \_ grr. well, that's not quite true. it turns out to be 256 for
              standard library calls, like fopen. you can do 1024 using open().
              unfortunately, python seems to use fopen.
2003/8/28-29 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux, Computer/SW/OS/Solaris] UID:29505 Activity:high
8/28    Followup on a previous post about network transfer of large files
        and checksums:  I have compared the 2nd download which passed the
        md5sum with the first one which didn't.  They have identical sizes
        but differ in content on about 200 bytes out of about 640MB.  Is
        there a way to estimate the likelihood that this is the result of bad
        transmission or a malicious substitution?  I am asking both for
        theoretical curiousity and practical interest.  So besides some
        high brow math. argument, is there some obvious indication like
        whether the differences are concentrated, continuous, etc to check?
        \_ Mount the iso file (assuming it's on a linux box) and poke around.
           mount -o loop -t iso9660 filename.iso /mnt/tmp
           \- yes there is a way to guess whether it is random or malicious
              depending on what the contents are [probably], but it is a lot
              of work, so i wouldnt bother. 200bytes is a hell of a lot.
              that is a little strange. my guess is linux -> ass. --psb
        \_ Have you determined what the differences are?
           \_ All I did was was comparing the two images byte by byte with
              a simple c program.  Of course one could recursively look into
              each volumes, and to be comprensive one has to look at
              the partition map, catalog file, and auxillary partitions.
              But as the posters above wrote, it is way TOO MUCH work for a
              mild curiosity.  I was asking if some statistical/probabilistic
              analysis is possible (in theory) and some rule-of-thumb
              available exists in practice.  The transport was thru ftp, btw.
              \- tcp checksum is not going to miss 200bytes in a <1gig xfer.
                 what you should do is do the xfer 100 times [or whatever]
                 and see how many times a strong checksum fails. if you do
                 that, i'd appreciate it if you would send me the info.
                 linux has a history of flailing on large data. --psb
                 \_ I transfer 8GB disk images and 600MB iso's between
                    my linux boxes. I've never had any problems. what do
                    you mean linux "flailing on large data"?
        \_ I throw around 2 terabytes of data with linux every other day
           and I haven't noticed any data loss yet but I have not
           conducted an exhaustive statistical study. - danh
           \- do you guys actually check the data or do you cross your
              fingers? obviously if you dont look, you wont find.
              also it may not manifest itself withing a certain range
              of behavior/configurations.
              anyway, first hand, i have had linux system writing
              corrupted packets on the the net [went away when ethernet
              driver was changed]. when we changed various things in
              bpf and syskonnect ethernet driver fleebsd was fine
              with our hacks, linux occasionally had issues (we didnt do
              too much research on what the problem was ... we just abandoned
              it ... and the problems seem to in part go away when we had
              faster processors and faster disk bus). i dont remember which
              file system it was, but one of them lost us some data and it
              didnt appear to be a hardware problem [was a while ago also...
              lately i havent been looking but havent casually noticed
              data loss at fs level]. i dont need to say anything about
              linux nfs server. admittedly these are rare, but they are
              in areas you expect perfection. a bigger problem is just
              general "weird behavior" under load [or sometimes even
              not under load]. linux does too many short cut things for
              "typical case" speed hacks. this can lead to your being out
              to sea when something goes wrong [e.g. when you look at a
              solaris crash dump, you have much better info than trying
              to figure out what happened in the linux case. this might
              partly be my better knowledge of solaris but in some cases
              the relevant info about the thread state, locks, watchdogs
              simply were not there] and also the system behavior often is
              sort of unusual under load [e.g. low free memory + high io,
              compared to FreeBSD and solaris (although when various large
              changes were made in solaris kernel algorithms for short
              periods i did see some performace issues)]. finally i dont like
              the way the memory-file system subsystem has been evolving.
              recently seen some problems in work environments with lots of
              (tcp) connections ... you get weird hangs on clients when the
              server drops packets ... admittedly this might have been fixable
              by throwing hardware at the problem or tweaking various para-
              meters (and this was on some HPC enviornments were we could not
              compare against solaris/bsd).
              YMWTGF: andrew hume HotOS linux suspect   --psb
              \_ Our answer was much simpler than yours.  After too many
                 lost files, NFS problems, dropped packets, etc, etc, we
                 simply stopped using Linux because it sucks.  We didn't
                 have the time to get into this driver vs that driver or
                 what kernel patch might have helped or which NIC, etc.
                 Linux = not ready for enterprise = out the fucking window.
                 Staff time is more expensive than the value of possibly
                 finding a solution to kludge Linux into working.  The
                 moment we switched to real OS's our problems just magically
                 went away without hiring a team of Linux kernel developers.
                 Linux is cute but their development philosophy precludes
                 it's use in enterprise environments.  Just FYI, I'm tossing
                 around 20-30TB/month between various hosts.
                 \_ Which OS did you switch to?  FreeBSD?  Solaris?
                 \_ Yeah, especially now that Sun sells the X1 for under $1k.
        \_ I should have added: The system from which I run the ftp was
           OS X, which is a (free)bsd derivative.  And I also noticed that
           the bad download had wrong modification time.  It was set to be
           the day of the download, even though I have "preserve" on.
2003/8/1-4 [Computer/SW/OS/Solaris] UID:29206 Activity:moderate
8/1     Snapfish engineering was really happy with the Berkeley resumes
        that came in for the junior java position.  We're now hiring a
        mid level unix admin.  It's a 24x7 job in SF working in my group.
        Roughly 100 Solaris/Linux boxes and 90 terabytes storage in production.
        Cal degree a plus.  Inexperience *not* a plus this time, sorry.  Email
        me with questions and resumes.  Yes, it's a pager job.  That's what
        24x7 means.  -reiffin
        \_ no day off for you!
        Roughly 100 Solaris/Linux boxes and 90 terabytes storage in production.
        Cal degree a plus.  Inexperience *not* a plus this time, sorry.  Email
        me with questions and resumes.  -reiffin
        \_ Run from the pager.
        \_ so is it a trend now to hire more junior positions (which are
           plentiful & cheap) than a few skilled positions due to the fact
           that within the past 30 years computer science has been studying
           how complex tasks could be abstracted, decomposed, and
           repartitioned into smaller, simple, and more manageable tasks?
           \_ he just said midlevel, not junior. go away.
           \_ Not to mention finding idiot juniors who are perfectly happy
              to be saddled with a 24x7 pager with a 15 minute turnaround.
              I seriously hope you don't have just one person on that sort
              of pager schedule.
        \_ Really, a single person on 24x7 pager?  Sounds like a job
           description written by someone who's never carried one.  You'll
           need at least two people, or the poor bastard will burn out in
           < 1 month.
           \_ It isn't the only person on the pager.  It's a rotation. -reiffin
           \_ You troll so stupid, you make reiffin look smart. ;-)
2003/7/4-5 [Politics/Foreign/Europe, Computer/SW/OS/Solaris] UID:28923 Activity:nil
7/3     The BLOB:
        New Solaris System found:
2003/6/29-30 [Computer/SW/OS/Solaris, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:28859 Activity:kinda low
6/28    is there a unix instant messenger client for aol instant messenger
        stuff that supports file transfer?
        \_ I believe gaim now has support.
        \_ I used to use a tcl/tk version of Aim client on Solaris.
           that was years ago.  GAIM has the most active development.
           Have you also tried Everybuddy?    --kngharv
2003/6/24-26 [Computer/SW/OS/Solaris, Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:28828 Activity:high
6/24    About Apple's 64-bit claim. Does Apple ship a 64-bit OS or does it
        support running 64-bit applications right now?
        \_ when the G5 ships with 'Smeagol' 10.2.7, it will support
           G5-optimized apps and presumably 64-bit apps.
                \_ If you look at the commits for darwin, it doesn't
                   look like the kernel/libc/userland have been updated
                   for 64-bit support. A select few apps might get 64
                   bit support, most apps will still be 32bit for the
                   next year or more.
           \_ god, i hate apple.  i wish Tolkein were alive to sue them,
              and hated them as much as i do.
                \_ For a code-name that isn't supposed to be public?
                   Don't hate the player, hate the game!
                        \_ Why not Carl Sagan (aka BHA) did it.
                \_ can anyone hate them as much as you do, my precious?
              \_ They're based in Cupertino, CA.  Good enough reason for
                 me to like 'em, they pay CA taxes.  Maybe you'd rather
                 live in Texas?  Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
        \_ The 970 is a 64-bit proc. OS X 10.2.x isn't 64-bit clean.
           It looks like 10.2.7 and 10.3.x will be able to run 64-bit
           apps but the kernel/libc/userland will probably not be 64-bit
           clean till 10.4.x.
        \_ In short: no.  It's all promises with unknown future performance.
           \_ Of course, it probably wasn't unexpected. Take a look at Sun's
              example. The UltraSPARC I (Sun's first 64-bit CPU) came out
              first in 1995 or so while Solaris 7, the first 64-bit Solaris
              release, came out only in 1998 or so.
2003/5/14-15 [Computer/SW/OS/Solaris] UID:28440 Activity:nil
5/14    Where can I get a color xterm for Solaris (sparc)?
        \_ Upgrade to Solaris 9 or compile the xterm from XFree86 distribution.
           \_ Has anyone had success compiling the XFree86 distribution on
              solaris?  I can't get very far on it.
                \_ works fine for me, but I've had to learn far more about
                   imake than you ever want to know.  -alan-
        \_ Also available for Solaris 8 on the FreeWare Companion CD from
           Sun.  Probably also on & <DEAD><DEAD>
2003/1/16-17 [Computer/SW/OS/Solaris, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:27121 Activity:very high
1.15    cat t | grep -v FOOM > t AND
        works fine on BSD but not on Solaris. Is this a
        a) race condition, b) platform dependent issue, c) Solaris bug ?
        so what's the easiest way to do that on solaris?
        btw, grep -v FOOM < t > t doesn't work on either.
        \_ b)
        \_ Isn't that a shell, rather than platform, issue?
        \_ Depending on your shell, the shell will call open with
           O_WRONLY|O_CREAT|O_TRUNC when you specify >. And > will
           get eval'ed before |.
        \_ Depending on your shell, the shell may call open with
           O_WRONLY|O_CREAT|O_TRUNC when you specify > and it
           may eval > t before eval'ing | grep.
        \_ You're all wrong.  It's user error!  Duh!
2002/12/17-18 [Computer/SW/OS/Solaris] UID:26837 Activity:moderate
12/17   Does anyone know where I can find source code and/or executable
        for sar for Solaris 2.9?  I couldn't find it on google.  Thanks!
        \_ Do you have a support contract from Sun?
        \_ Executable: SUNWaccu on Solaris 9 install media.
           Source: If *.edu, send $100 to Sun.  If not, send many times
           that to Sun. -alan-
2002/12/5-6 [Computer/SW/OS/Solaris] UID:26725 Activity:high
12/5    Any idea if there's a limit to the number of mount points an nfs
        client is allowed to have in either linux (any) or solaris (any)?
        I've got data all over the place and need each client to mount a *lot*
        of servers.  Thanks!
        \- not practically.
        \_ In the old days the max number of mount points was around 256.
           These days its probably a lot larger. If you are worried about
           this, the best solution would be to use automount. This would
                                                   \- i have reasonably large
                                                   automounter maps ... i see
                                                   automounter on solaris
                                                   grow over time to 100meg+
                                                   in size, so i could believe
                                                   there is some problem with
                                                   it that may manifest itself
                                                   with a huge number of
                                                   mounts. --psb
                                                   \_ Yeah, I've seen this
                                                      too, but if OP wants
                                                      to limit the number
                                                      of mount points used
                                                      on ave. then automounter
                                                      is the only real soln.
                The mounts are being hit all the time by various apps so _/
                automount won't really help.  I just need to know if there's
                a real limit and how far away I might be.  I've got 50+ now
                and was going to be maybe be adding another 50+ over the next
                2-3 months and then more after that every so often forever. I
                need to know in advance if I should be telling management they
                can't do what they're wanting to do or not.  Thanks!  --OP
                \_ You may be able to add lots of mount points but at some
                   stage beyond 200 or so you will start to see stability
                   and performance issues (at least with older versions of
                   linux, 2.0 and 2.2 kernels, and Solaris, 2.5, 2.6 and maybe
                   even 7). In the long run your best bet will be to ditch
                   nfs and to use something like afs which was designed to
                   handle your type of problem.
           limit the ave. number of mount points in use at any given time.
           \_ Thanks!
2002/11/15 [Computer/SW/OS/Solaris] UID:26555 Activity:nil
11/15   Does solaris have a iso-8859-1 to UTF-8 character converter?
        I'd like something that takes an accented "a" and converts it to
        &aacute;  Thanks.
2002/11/2-3 [Computer/SW/OS/Solaris] UID:26382 Activity:kinda low
11/1    Solaris packages.  Anyway to install multiple instances of the exact
        same package?  Same arch, version, etc.  Just different install dirs.
        \- you could use something like the modules package. last i heard
           \_ the modules package??  -op
        it was being worked on by a fellow at sun but i think it may have
        been abandoned/rewritten. you can look for the usenix paper. --psb
             \- of if youa re talking about packages as in "/opt" the
                module stuff doenst really apply. i thought you meant what
                is a convenient way of having an emacs 19/20/21 or mutiple
                gcc instances etc. --psb
        \_ I suggest tweaking the package by hand.  What package are you trying
           to dual install and why?  Use softlinks.
        \_ pkgadd -R
           \_ fucker, stop posting man page answers.  dick.  what fun is that?
              \_ Should I just say RTFM insted? I thought about mocking psb
                 for coming up with a stupid and complicated answer to a
                 simple question, but I thought the answer was funny enough.
                 \_ Ok, ok, you get a pass on this one.
2002/10/25-28 [Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD, Computer/SW/OS/Solaris] UID:26322 Activity:low
10/24   Anyone know of a way on solaris to see how many bytes went out
        on a particular interface? Analogous to netstat -ib of freebsd?
        I have some tools to do this, but I am wondering if there is a
        stock way. --psb
        \_ check out orca or setools. Let me know if this works for you.
           Or ucd-snmp or netsnmp. -abe
           \_ that's not what he asked.
              \_ I'll kill you and eat your children. -- Cthulhu
                 \_ You're sleeping.  Anyway I don't have children and I ran
                    out of SAN years ago.
2002/10/18 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers, Computer/SW/OS/Solaris] UID:26248 Activity:nil
10/18   How do I tell plain old Netscape 4.76 for Solaris to not allow
        any pop-up windows?
        \_ I think you upgrade to a newer version of Netscape. Or you
           could try the Solaris version of Opera, the fastest browser
           on earth.
        \_ Disable java entirely or install mozilla1.1.
           \_ javascript, twink
2002/9/12 [Computer/SW/OS/Solaris] UID:25855 Activity:high
9/11    On SunOS 5, how do I use the -k option in "sort" to specify multiple
        sort fields?  I tried "-k start1,stop1 -kstart2,stop2",
        "-k start1,stop1+start2,stop2" and "-k start1,stop1 start2,stop2" but
        none works.  The man page doesn't descript this.  Thanks.
        \_ I never got -k working sanely.  I use the +n format just fine.  I
           use perl if I get desperate.
2002/8/26 [Computer/SW/OS/Solaris] UID:25688 Activity:high
8/26    How do you specify the defaultrouter on the second interface, say
        qe1, on Solaris?
        \_ ifconfig manually or via script
2002/7/14-15 [Computer/SW/OS/Solaris] UID:25353 Activity:moderate
7/13    Has anyone experienced the difference in qsort between Solaris and
        Linux?  I found that when the indices are the same, the sorting order
        is different.  Is there any way to get the Solaris-equivalent qsort
        on Linux?
        \_ The recursive nature of qsort means that you can never get
           a stable sort out of it (AFAIK), meaning that
           "The relative order in the output of two items  that  compare
           as equal is unpredictable." (-Solaris manpage).  Use mergesort.
        \_ The strange thing is, the qsort on Solaris and HPUX give the same
           sorting order.  Is there any way to get the source code of qsort
           for HP or Solaris? -op
2002/6/27-28 [Computer/SW/OS/Solaris] UID:25230 Activity:nil 66%like:25224
6/27    Where to get the "screen" source code or binary for Solaris?
        \_ great, now we have "where to" questions in addition to the "how to"
2002/6/27 [Computer/SW/OS/Solaris] UID:25224 Activity:nil 53%like:25223 66%like:25230
6/27    Where to get the "screen" source code or binary for Solaris?

(-=-= One MOTD, Under PSB, Indivisible, with Liberty and Justice for None =-=-)
        \_ Well there's sure as hell no justice around here....  ;-)
           And shouldn't that be "Under G-d" according to the recent motd
           search/replace job someone did on the motd?
2002/5/28 [Computer/SW/OS/Solaris] UID:24962 Activity:high
5/28    Why would I "buy Solaris" instead of getting the free version?
        Do I need to pay the extra $200 to keep my support?
        It looks like I need to "buy" Solaris only if I have multiple CPU's.
        Am I missing anything?
        \_ Say what?
        \_ It looks like you have to purchase a media kit and licenses
           separately. There are several media kits that differ by the amount
           of included printed documentation, value-added software, languages
           CDs, etc. I just ordered a Solaris 8 02/02 media kit with all
           software but no printed documentation for $75 and Solaris 9 FCS
           media kit for $95. Now, if you need to run it on multiprocessor
           machines, add the cost of license on top of that. As for the "free"
           version, it only includes the Solaris OS and no value added
           software. May be this is exactly what you need. Solaris 8 media
           kit includes some useful freebies like the iPLanet directory server
           with a license for up to 200,000 directory entries. Note that
           Solaris 9 ISOs are still not up for a free download..
           \_ I think that you also get the vol mgr with the paid version
             \_ That was up to Solaris 7. Disksuite packages for Solaris 8 were
                included on the second Solaris software CD, although, hidden in
                a directory suspiciously called "EA". As of Solaris 9, the vol
                manager has been integrated into the OS, so you shouldn't even
                need to deal separate packages any more.
2002/5/21-22 [Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD, Computer/SW/OS/Solaris] UID:24899 Activity:insanely high
5/20    Anyone have any luck with Sparc64 + FreeBSD?
        Do you recommend it?
        \_ God No!  Are you insane???
        \_ OpenBSD Sparc64 is mostly usable. FreeBSD Sparc64
           barely runs
        \_ Why not Solaris?
           \_ commercial software is wrong.  --cowboy
              \_ wrong? take it to the church, son.
              \_ But was it included when you bought the Sparc?
                 \_ Solaris 8 is freely downloadable or $75 for a media kit.
                    \_ "yeah but i cant get the source and make my own solaris
                        distro so it doesnt count!  how will i fix bugs and
                        release them to the community?  i mean like i know i
                        dont even code and couldnt find a bug if it bit my
                        nose off but yeah!"
                        \_ And releasing source code will endanger our
                           soldiers in Afganistan! --msft
                        \_ most of Solaris 8/FCS source code is available for
                           download. You are free to fix the bugs but you must
                           submit them to Sun. If your organization asks nicely
                           you could get the source for other releases too.
                           \_ "most? thats evil!  i want the whole source and
                               the right to make my own kewl-d00de d1st0!  awl
                               0p3n s0urc3 un1t3!!!!  d00dez!!1"
                               \_ sun wants to make everything available, but
                                  the patent/copyright holders on parts of
                                  the kernel and userland won't let them.
                                  \_ "if sun cared about open source they'd
                                      rec0de all the evil parts and release
                                      as GPL!  Death to Sun!"
        \_ been running debian sparc on an ultra 1.  works fine. (potato)
        \_ How about Open vs Net ?
        \_ Real sparc64 (HAL/Fujitsu) or UltraSparc?
           \_ hahahahahh....  HaL...  Real.... sparc64....
                \_ Well, if it's SPARC64[tm], it must be HaL.   Unfortunately
                   some stupid opensource people use "sparc64" when they really
                   mean UltraSPARC[tm].
                   \_ Whee..  I worked at HaL, back when they were trying to
                      rush their 2.5.1 out the door while Sun was prepping
                      Solaris 7.  Neat boxes, though. --scotsman
                \_ I have an E250? Is that "real" or just ultrasparc? Where
                   is the confusion coming from? Who invented the "fake"
                   \_ HaL was to be Fujitsu's big bid in the processor market.
                      They grabbed the trademark "sparc64" out from under Sun,
                      seriously pissing them off.  The hardware was really
                      pretty cool.  At the time, one of the few things around
                      that could take 4G of RAM.  They just couldn't get the
                      OS dev schedule up fast enough to compete against Sun
                      at their own game. --scotsman
                      \_ Doesn't sparc64 run a stock Sun Microsystems version
                         of Solaris?
                         \_ not at the time.  (this was in like '97.  I dunno
                            what they run now, or even if sparc64 machines
                            are still being built) --scotsman
          \_ Strangely enough, just reports that the
             Sparc64 port is "fully self-hosting"-- meaning it can actually
             compile itself and run.  Short answer-- it's not ready yet.  And
             it doesn't work with YOUR cable modem.
2002/5/7-8 [Computer/SW/Languages/Misc, Computer/SW/OS/Solaris] UID:24745 Activity:high 54%like:23760
5/7     On XP I can do route print to see the routing table. How do I do that
        on Solaris and Linux?
        \_ netstat -r
           \_ netstat -rn (if you don't want name resoultion)
Destination     Gateway         Genmask         Flags   MSS Window  irtt Iface UH       40 0          0 ppp0 UH       40 0          0 ppp1
        \_ what does it mean when your gateway is I don't get it
           \_ It points to the other end of your ppp connection
           \_ It means someone has hacked your computer
2002/5/7-8 [Computer/SW/OS/Solaris] UID:24739 Activity:high
5/7     What does /etc/tm do, on sunos? How do I search for this on google,
        it keeps insisting "/etc/tm" is "etc tm"
        \_ google 'solaris "etc tm"'
        \_ On my solaris boxes it's an empty directory.  I don't have a sunos
           box.  It isn't in the solaris man pages I have.
        \_ rm, mv, or chmod it and see what breaks.
2002/4/4-5 [Computer/SW/WWW/Server, Computer/SW/OS/Solaris] UID:24323 Activity:very high
4/4     Is there a way to make Apache case-insenstive (on Solaris)?
        (i.e., should be
        the same as; obvisouly,
        I can write my cgi-bin's so that all the params are
        case-insenstive, but the leading URIs?)
        I have used google and have been on Apache's web site.  Thx.
                      \_ Look, dummy, the answer is you can't do it.  Your only
                         other choice is hacking the url parse code in apache
                         to lower case the entire URL.  Good luck with your
                         coding project.
                         \_ Ok, thx.  That's what I thought and I just
                            needed someone to confirm it.
                            \_ it's wrong.  mod_speling does exactly what
                               you want.  Try it, nimrod.
                               \_ why is "mod_speling" spelled with only one
                                  L?  Is it supposed to be some dumb attempt at
                                  being humorous?
                                \_ yes.  laugh a little!
        \_ Wow this was tough to find.  Took me about 15 seconds.
           You're welcome.
           \_ errr...I have read that and the speling module.  mod_speling
              only makes the document name referenced case-insenstive, not
              all the elements that construct the URI.
              all the elements that construct the URI. From Apache:
              "the module is unable to correct misspelled user names (as
               in <DEAD><DEAD> just file names or directory
              \_ Grasshopper, the wind blows through the trees yet disturbs
                 not the trunk, only the leaves....
                 \_ huh?
                    \_ Grasshopper, the answer lies before your eyes are
                       darkened by your own thoughts.
                \_ it corrects directory names, can't you read?
        \_ Run apache on windows.
           \_ Ew.
2002/3/22 [Computer/SW/OS/Solaris] UID:24187 Activity:nil
3/21    Updates to ~scotsman/bin/patch_{dl,in}.  If you have to deal with
        Solaris patches, these may help make life less obnoxious.
2002/2/25-26 [Computer/SW/Security, Computer/SW/OS/Solaris] UID:23970 Activity:high
2/25    Is there anyone out who understands the NT security API? All I'm
        trying to do is set permissions on a directory: Everyone group,
        full control, inheritable by child objects and containers. Then I
        need to know how to create files so that they don't override the
        parent ACL. Should they have a NULL SD, or a default SD with a NULL

        What I'm doing now is setting security on every file create and
        copy, which is error prone. CopyFile doesn't copy the SD, so I do
        PROTECTED_DACL_SECURITY_INFORMATION) on the new file. It would be
        better if it just obeyed the parent directory settings.  -sky
        \_ I know how to do the similar on Solaris on but not NT. Sorry.
           In Solaris I set the parent directories ACL and mask and then all
           children (both files & directories) inherit ACL. At least when
           you do commands like cp/cat/vi. Okay, so it's not going thru the
           API so it's not similar thing. There are some oddities when on
           older versions of Veritas products though. Are you using Veritas?
        \_ Apparently no one understands the NT security API.  What I _do_
           know is it has nothing to do with the way Veritas or Solaris work.
2002/2/12-13 [Computer/SW/OS/Solaris] UID:23853 Activity:moderate
2/12  It's not in dmesg, prtdiat or prtconf or the eeprom variables:  Is there
      a command on solaris that may list the serial number?  ISW?
        \_ No.
2002/2/8-9 [Computer/SW/OS/Solaris] UID:23815 Activity:high
2/7     Is there a Solaris LKM or some other way to log all the filenames
        which are read and written on a SUN  ?
        \_ how much will you pay me to write you one --aaron
                \_ FIE DOLLA! The amount you paid for h07 a$|n ho in China
           \_ the Dell dude is better looking than aaron [although the dude is
              definitely more annoying]
        \_ lsof.  "ls open files".  Open source.  Get from net if not alreadyy
           \_ That can only take snapshots.  I think the poster means
              what he means.
                 \_ On occasion, I use prex, which loses the filename
                    abstraction and is a bit of a pain to use, but it's
                    a logging system not a snapshot system. OK, thanks. -psb
        \_ If there is no such module, it shouldn't be very hard to write as
           long as you can find documentation on how to do it. Doing something
           like this on Linux seems to be trivial after I have read a
           related article on Linux Journal recently.
              \_ It's better than what he has now and the source is open.
                 \_ um... he didn't say what he has now, and it doesn't do
                    what he wants.  how is that "better"?
                    \_ If he had anything now he wouldn't be asking on the
                       motd and it kind of does what he wants.  Since he
                       didn't say what he's using it for you don't know it
                       doesn't do what he wants.  Out in the real world away
                       from the small minded ivory towers of academia we
                       call "something" better than "nothing".  Until the
                       poster comes back and say exactly what they need "lsof"
                       is a better answer than "you're wrong because that's
                       not what they wanted".  ok tnx.
                       \_ Most people who know what a "solaris lkm" is also
                          know what lsof is.  The poster does mean what he
                          means.  Thanks for the suggestion but dont get
                          snippy.  This is not a academia vs industry thing.
                          Both communities need to take file system traces
                          so I am looking for such a tool.
                          \_ It isn't academia vs industry.  It's "here's a
                             partial answer, go look at the source" vs. "you
                             didn't 100% answer the question so you're wrong".
                             We still don't seem to have the OP here to say
                             exactly what they know or don't know and want/need
                             or don't want/need.
              \_ it can teach him the routines used.
                 \- on occasion i use prex, which loses the filename
                    abstraction and is a bit of a pain to use but it is
                    a logging system not a snapshot system. ok tnx. --psb
                    \_ ok tnx.
                       \- pls pay me the "ok tnx" tax. ok tnx. --psb
                          \_ The information wants to be free! Fascist! ok tnx.
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