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2022/05/26 [General] UID:1000 Activity:popular

2013/2/19-3/26 [Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:54611 Activity:nil
2/19    I program a lot by sshing to a Linux cluster.  So I'm used to using
        Xemacs to code.  This works fine from a Linux or Windows workstation,
        but sometimes I have to use a Mac.  On Mac, the meta is usually
        bound to option, but that often doesn't work over ssh for some reason.
        This makes using emacs a real pain.  Any suggestions on how to fix it?
        (Other than "use vi")
        \_ Are you using  If so, go to the Terminal menu, click
           the Preferences... menu item, click the Settings button on the top
           of the window that pops up and then click the Keyboard button/tab
           in the right hand pane of that window.  There should be a checkbox
           at the bottom of that pane that says "Use option as meta key".
           Checking that box fixed this problem for me.
2012/8/2-10/17 [Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:54450 Activity:nil
8/2     How do you guys like Mountain Lion 10.8.1 so far? Should I wait
        for 10.8.2 before upgrading?
        \_ I went from Snow Leopard to Mountain Lion on my mac mini. I haven't
           really noticed anyting different.
           really noticed anything different.
        \_ mostly refinements of 10.7, for example, integration of iPhone
           Notes and Mac OS notes is a huge convenience.
2012/6/27-7/27 [Computer/HW/Memory, Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:54424 Activity:nil
6/27    You can't put 16GB RAM in the new 13" Macbook Pro.
        Fuck you Apple!
        \_ Really?  I know they say you can't put more than 8GB in the 13"
           MBP, but I have 16GB in my 2011 13" MBP and it works perfectly.
           \_ I thought the new ones have soldier on HD and RAM just like
              the Macbook Air?
              \_ AFAIK, only the new 15" MBP has the RAM soldered on its
                 motherboard.  It looks like the 13" MBP's RAM can still
                 be upgraded, since OWC is selling a 16 GB RAM upgrade for
                 \_ That's true but the upcoming 13" retina coming out in
                    Sep/Oct (reliable source from an Asian supplier) will
                    be ALL soldier on component. FUCK YOU APPLE!!!
2011/11/9-30 [Computer/SW/Security, Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:54219 Activity:nil
11/9    Unsigned code execution exploit in iOS 4.3 & 5: [arstechnica]
        \_ Fixed in iOS 5.0.1:
2011/5/9-7/13 [Computer/Companies/Apple, Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:54106 Activity:nil
5/4     Any thoughts about apple switching to ARM for all machines?
        \_ Could only have happened if the Mac App Store had been a wild, wild
           success, and they were willing to give up Steam. Games/dual-booting
           is strategically valuable to not driving people away from macs.
           A new ARM iOS based device, or opening the Apple TV to iOS apps
           (same thing, really) would be much more likely than sabotaging their
           laptop line of computers. An ARM-enabled OS X makes no sense.
           \_ funnyyou mention that.. Win8 supports arm, weird.
           \_ I dont' know anyone who games on a mac.  They have pc's for that.
              (in addition to their macbooks)
2022/05/26 [General] UID:1000 Activity:popular

2011/3/31-4/20 [Consumer/CellPhone, Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:54071 Activity:nil
3/20    Samsung lite notebook, macbook air clone?  Or no?
2010/6/9-30 [Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:53855 Activity:nil
6/9     Chrome 5 is awesome. I love Chrome. I use Chrome on my Mac OS
        and Windows. I just tried Safari 5. It is also awesome. I
        love its developer mode. Maybe I'll switch back to Safari 5
        now that it seems as fast as Chrome. What do you guys think
        of Safari 5?
        \_ Apple is Steve Jobs, and Steve Jobs is evil.
2010/5/26-6/30 [Computer/SW/Unix/WindowManager, Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:53844 Activity:nil
5/26    anyone use lxde?  supposedly it is less stupid than xfce and
        less bloated than gnome.  thoughts?
        \_ lol, does anyone still use desktop linux?  Get with the times
           buy a mac.  Now.  DO IT.  Go NOW.
           \_ but we prefer herring to Kool-Aid
              \_ "you have to yell, he's hard of herring"
        \_ I tried it, I think it uses less memory, hard to tell.
           I work with some nerd who uses xmonad
        \_ I have struggled for years with debian and ubuntu and centos
           with gnome and kde and fluxbox and whatever... work made me
           get a mac, I secretly admit that it is pretty cool.
2010/5/17-26 [Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:53835 Activity:nil
5/13    I am getting a new Macbook Pro. Should I get a glossy or matte screen?
        I always had matte in the past. I use my laptop just about everywhere
        and glare is a concern. Should I stick with matte? I noticed
        glossy is the default now.
        \_ It is weird, but I have the glossy screen that goes to the edge of
           the monitor for my 13" PB and it somehow seems bigger than the one
           with the aluminum border on my wife's Air. They both have the same
           amount of usable screen space though.
           \_ it is true. if you look at the 13" macbook border and compare
              it with the 15" macbook border, you'll see the 13" border is
              almost twice as large. this means you get a LOT less than
              13" space than the 15" (or 17") MacBook Pro. Shame on you
              Steve Jobs for deceiving  people
        \_ OP: I chose matte in the end. Glossy seemed to have too much glare
           in some situations. I tried them both at the Apple store and I
           also borrowed by coworkers' glossy screen Mac.
2010/4/5-15 [Computer/HW/Laptop, Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:53770 Activity:nil
4/4     My macbook is dying. After three and a half years, I want to retire it,
        and get a new one, but I live in constant fear* that Apple will pull a fast
        one on me and update them as soon as I do. Anyone know anything about an
        impending Apple laptop refresh?
        * = hyperbole
        \_ I also need a new Mac laptop and I am waiting for an i7-based
           system. I am hoping these are out soon.
2010/3/19-4/14 [Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:53756 Activity:nil
3/18    Why is a genuine Mac Book charger $60 when it's only $20 on eBay?
        I failed to see a difference in quality.
        \_ Why does popcorn cost so much at the movies? Why do car values
           halve the minute you take it off the lot? Why do you suddenly
           pay less when you become a senior citizen? There are economic
           reasons for just about every pricing puzzle.
           \_ Yes that is true. The question is answered in Chapter 2
              of J. Tirole: Theory of Industrial Organization
        \_ I thought they were $99.
2010/2/26-3/12 [Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:53730 Activity:nil
        best macbook covers ever.
2010/1/22-30 [Computer/HW/Laptop, Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:53655 Activity:high
1/22    looking to buy a new development laptop
        needs ssdrive, >6 hr possible batt life, and runs linux reasonably
        Anyone have a recommendation? Thx.
        \_ thinkpad t23 w ssdrive and battery inplace of drive bay
        \_ Ever wondered what RICHARD STALLMAN uses for a laptop?  Well,
           wonder no more!
        \_ Apple makes the best laptops, IMO.
           \_ always disliked apple laptops. no pageup/down key, too heavy,
              have that silly apple light on the back of the display, and
              don't offer an extended-life battery as a mfg option --!OP
              \_ My MacBook Pro has pageup/down. I find some of the laptops
                 like the Air to be really light. Battery life also tends
                 to be pretty good compared to the Dells and ThinkPads I
                 have owned. I buy new 2 laptops every three years (one
                 Mac and one PC) and I far prefer the Mac.
                 \_ real page up/down or fn up/down
           \_ and you can run Parallels or VMWare and still get Winblows
              and/or Linux, which is really really awesome. Plus, you
              don't have to worry about having to reboot your Winblows
              every few days. You really get what you pay for.
                                -20 year PC user, 1 year HAPPY Mac user
              \_ why does every mac user say 'run parallels'?
                 why not just boot to a linux partition? -- !OP
                 \_ I recommend using a VM, but not Parallels. The reason
                    is that its far more convenient than booting another
                    partition. It's much nicer to be able to run both OS
                    at once.
                    \_ seconded, but that's because I run both a PC
                       and Mac and VM images are universal on both.
                       If I run Parallels, then I'm stuck in Mac OS land
                 \_ spoken like someone who never ran a VM. I can run
                    multiple OS's at the same time with only 5-8% penalty
                    in run-time (if the application isn't graphics oriented
                    like games). Obviously, if you're playing games, then
                    you need to run natively. But if you're doing web
                    or backend development, running OSs in parallel
                    is a godsend because I depend on apps that exist on
                    PC (shareware), Mac (Photoshop), and Linux (compiler,
                    apache, editor)
                    \_ Not a stranger to VMs, but certainly do not want my
                       long-uptime linux and freebsd work environments running
                       on something as unreliable as OS X.
                       \_ I hope you don't have a raid hooked up to it,
                          the upgrade from 10.4 to 10.5 hosed my raid.
                    \_ I run linux on my older ibook.  PPC tho. Screw osx
                       pkg management is crap.
                       \_ oh wow, ok. America is great! Vote for GWB!!!
              \_ I did look at those and they didn't have the battery life
                 they seem to die out around 4-5 hours of use, and I mean
                 compiling, debugging, etc.  I'd like something that doesn't
                 die over a long flight (say to EU).
                 \_ Ok, what PC today lasts 6 hours of compilation?
                    \_ I get a good 6 hours work done on my current machine:
               (portege r500, ssdrive)
                       Been using it fairly heavily day in and day out 16/7
                       for the last 3 years and the mobo is starting to have
                       problems recharging the batt.  And heh, the keyboard
                       letters have all worn off.
                 \_ Get a spare battery.  Dell laptops let you use an oversize
                    battery instead of carrying a spare battery.
                    \_ yeah oversized and spare batts are the way to go,
                       i don't think mac supports swapping batteries for
                       extending life :-(.
                       \_ You sure can switch batteries. I have three for
                          my Mac. Are you sure you know anything about Macs?
                          \_ How do you force it to hibernate so you can swap?
                             \_ Close lid, wait a few seconds. Or press the
                                power button and select Sleep. Or select Sleep
                                from the Apple menu.
                                \_ Sleep != Hibernate.  If you put your Apple
                                   laptop to sleep and remove the battery,
                                   you lose your session.  You can make
                                   them hibernate with energy saver setting
                                   tweaks, but the hibernate mode is
                                   very slow compared to PC laptops.  -tom
                                   \_ Actually, it is, and you don't. (I just
                                      tried it to be sure.) If you put the
                                      machine to sleep, pull out the battery,
                                      then put the battery back in, it takes
                                      a while longer to resume, but you don't
                                      lose your session. The same happens if
                                      your battery runs down while the laptop
                                      is on standby.
                          \_ Non detacheable battery?
                          \_ The new macbook pros are internal battery only,
                             but that is irrelevant, because...
                             there is still no extended battery option.
                             Why carry multiple batteries and have to power
                             down/switch batteries instead of having a single
                             heavier battery that lasts the entire flight?
                             I don't see the advantage.
                        \_ I get almost 7 or 8 hours of compute time on
                           my new macbook pro.  I guess I could whine and
                           wish it lasted longer and that I could fit in
                           another battery, but I will chill.  7 hours
                           is a long time.
                             \_ fair enough. What PC do you prefer? Toshiba?
                                \_ I've had toshibas and IBMs (pre lenovo),
                                   I've not liked HPs or Sonys.  I've even
                                   had an eeepc that I used as a spare.

        \_ MacBook Air.
           \_ This is as ghey as driving an Audio TT.
              \_ My wife loves her MacBook Air.
           \_ Before the tosh i've had:
2009/11/27-12/6 [Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:53546 Activity:low
11/27   What did you guys buy on Black Friday?
        \_ cold medicine
           \_ me too!
        \_ Nothing.
        \_ I bought a Mac Air for my wife when Mac Mall announced their
           "Black Friday sale" on Wednesday. But that was technically not
           on Black Friday.
           \_ Air, AKA pussy powered Mac that'll get obsolete soon because
              it can't run Safari8, Firefox 6, and IE11
        \_ I'm buying a Dell Vostro 220s Slim Tower on-line right now.
        \_ { }
2009/10/27-11/3 [Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:53472 Activity:nil
10/26   End of $5.29 Big Mac:
        Yahoo! Finance:
2009/10/25-11/3 [Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:53468 Activity:nil
10/24   I have an usb device with 2 functions (tablet and flash).  Windoze
        can detect both but mac can only detect the tablet.  Why and is
        there a way to fix it?  (bootcamp/virtualization do work too, but
        I am asking for a pure os x solution)
2009/9/1-9 [Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:53317 Activity:nil
9/1     How do I get Alpine to stop flashing in OS X terminal?
        \_ Time the interval it flashes at and blink out of phase.
           \_ I did this and now I fail to acknowledge turn signals while
              driving.  Should I stop?
2009/8/27-9/9 [Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:53304 Activity:nil
8/26    Any suggestions on a good OCR program for either OS X or Windows that
        will work on scanned documents outputted to pdf?  Preferably free?
        Thanks, scottyg
        \_ Check Abbyy or Scansoft.  Not free.
           \_ Thanks...I think I'd prefer a free or opensource piece of
              software unless there is a huge difference in quality.  I
              bought a kindle 2 for my girlfriend so that she wouldn't have
              to lug around 100 lbs of textbooks.  But the textbooks aren't
              out in ebook form yet.  I've scanned a few on the office scanner,
              now I'd like to make them searchable.  This project is already
              getting expensive :)  -scottyg
              \_ I think there is a huge quality difference, but if you must have OSS:
                 I use Acrobat Pro, works and easy to get a hold of.
2009/8/23-9/1 [Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:53299 Activity:low
        \_ bad ass, screw the mac air,
           \_ BLASPHEMY!  The Mac is thine computer, thou shalt have no other
              computers before Steve.  --Macolyte
         \_ Yeah, that 2 year old computer is nothing compared to one
            today.  (Also, check out that blazing fast core 2 solo 1.4!)
            \_ recommend a recent machine of comparable weight and
                screen size
            \_ I dunno, looks good.  I just use my laptop for
               reading PDFs, running SSH and browsing the web, no games.
                \_ What is battery life like ?
2009/8/6-14 [Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:53250 Activity:moderate
8/5     Why is Mac OS 10.6 $29 and 10.5.6 $129? Is it a typo?
        \_ $29 for existing users.
           \_ it doens't even support ppc does it.
              \_ who cares about ppc anymore? Everything is Intel based
                 \_ I have a PPC mini at home that I use.
                 \_ I have a quad core G5 ppc.
                 \_ I have an Xserve PPC.
                 \_ I manage a lab of PPC G5 towers for kids.
        \_ 10.4 -> 10.5 = $129
           10.5 -> 10.6 = $29
           In order to go to 10.4 to 10.6, you must purchase cumulatively:
           10.4 -> 10.5 -> 10.6 = $129 + $29
           Patch releases are free:
           10.5 -> 10.5.1 -> 10.5.2 -> ... = $0
2009/7/24-27 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers, Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:53191 Activity:kinda low
7/24    Firefox 3.5.1 on MacOS is a piece of crap. It crashes ALL THE TIME.
        It has crashed 3 or 4 times on me in the last hour, and not on
        the same pages either. The new Yahoo! home page also sucks ass.
        \_ os x keeps trashing my raid disk: '11 hours to rebuild. have fun
           with the kernel IO subsystem running like shit until then".
           Worthless piece of shit.
        \_ s/3\.5\.1// I've used it for years and the only thing keeping me on is
          the extensions.
2009/7/21-24 [Computer/SW/Compilers, Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:53173 Activity:kinda low
        Read the Apollo 11 code comment. Bugless? Yeah right.
        \_ Who claimed that that code was bugless?
           \_ if it was bugless then astronauts wouldn't be necessary
              \_ They're not necessary except to do research. We don't need
                 them to fly anything.
                 \_ "Houston, we've had a problem"
                    \_ Wouldn't have been an issue at all if the astronauts
                       weren't up there to begin with. The O2 was for them.
2009/7/17-24 [Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:53156 Activity:kinda low
7/17    -rw-r--r--@
        What does the "at sign" mean? This is on Mac OS. VMWare disk file.
        \_ The file has metadata attributes
           \_ How do I add/delete attributes to files? What about
              -rw-r--r--+ <-- what is the "+" sign? Also how do you make
              tar preserve these attributes?
              \_ Use the 'xattr' utility (not documented via man sadly)
                 Tar, cp, mv, etc do by default.  rsync needs -E
              \_ man ls, search for "The Long Format."  It's all there.
        \_ it wants to give you a rose and ask you out on a date.
           \_ like edgar from electric dreams?
2009/5/12-18 [Computer/SW/OS/OsX, Computer/HW/Drives] UID:52984 Activity:nil
5/10    Is it possible to install MacOS on a built yourself PC?
        \_ There are some hacks which should make it possible.
   It's a license violation,
           of course.  -tom
        \_ One Step Install:
2009/5/7-14 [Computer/HW/Laptop, Computer/SW/Virus, Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:52968 Activity:nil
5/7     Help, I think something's wrong with my network setting. I'd go to
        a web site, and then it would say "cannot find address". Then I'd
        reload again, occassionally 3 times, to load the page. Is this
        due to DNS being too slow, TTL setting, or something else?
        \_ windows mac or linux ?
           \_ windows (company issued laptop, no alternative)
              \_ Ugh, get corporate IT to fix your problem. I assume you
                 don't have admin privs, or do you?
      \_ do you have to go through some weirdo proxy?  Also run Adaware
         and make you aren't carrying a virus SARS infected laptop
2009/4/22-28 [Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:52892 Activity:nil
4/22    Freddic Mac CFO killed himself:
        \_ more air for rest of us
        \_ one less banker, one less crook. Thank goodness.
           \_ For all you know, this might have been one of the good ones.
            \_ At least he is now.
       \_ He came in after the meltdown to help fix things. He was one of the
          people trying to make things better. If you're happy to see someone
          die who didn't cause the disaster and was stressed from trying to fix
          things, go kill yourself.
2009/4/16-20 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux, Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:52858 Activity:nil
4/15    RIDE BIKE! RUN L1NUX! GO TO JAIL: [eff]
2009/1/15-23 [Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:52398 Activity:nil
1/15    can any serious development be done on OSX that is not *for OSX*.
        i'll grant that ruby on rails has excellent tutorials for the mac.
        \_ What kind of serious development?  If you want to use the standard
           OSX ui then your ui code will be pretty much useless elsewhere,
           but that's why concepts like MVC are so important.  Otherwise
           OSX is pretty much standard unix (with case insensitive files,
           grr) and most of your work will be easilly portable.
           \_ I agree that case insensitive HFS+ is a pain, but it is
              pretty easy to work around it by doing you development on
              a UFS or HFS+ case sensitive disk image.
              Re original question - I used to do perl, java, & c development
              for Solaris & Linux on OS X.  As a side effect, my application
              for Solaris & Linux on OS X.  As a side effect, our application
              worked on OSX (but we didn't ship an OS X version) and I was
              worked on OS X (but we didn't ship an OS X version) and I was
              able to find lots of OS dependencies in our code and abstract
              them away, making future porting to other OSes much easier.
              \_ you said "used to" does that imply you are not doing them
                 on OSX now?
                 \_ I am no longer a programmer (but I still use OS X).
                    \_ when's the last year you programmed on os x?
                       10.4 was pretty good.  Still dunno what to think about
                       dashcode.  - !op
                       \_ 2006. I think I was running 10.4, but I can't
                          remember.  I started out using X Code, but it
                          was really overkill for what I needed b/c our
                          app was mainly Makefile based and didn't need
                          all the X Code bells and whistles.  Mostly I
                          was happy using either emacs or TextWrangler.
                          [ To clarify - I am no longer a professional
                            programmer, but I still write some c & perl
                            code for my own use on OS X ]
        \_ I assume phone App Store development doesn't count, since the phone
           runs OS X
2009/1/9-13 [Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:52347 Activity:kinda low
1/9     I want to share maybe 100 photos with close family only. I don't
        want anyone else to be able to see them, not that they are naughty
        or anything. I want to then take them offline and replace with
        more photos in 6-12 months (no need for permanent online storage).
        I use iPhoto for my photos on my Mac. I don't want to pay for this
        service. It would be nice if the s/w could compress images
        automagically so that they aren't all 10 MB each and I don't have
        to bother with that myself, but I'm not sure if that exists. What's
        better for me? Flickr, picasa, photobucket, or something else? I
        have no experience with any of these, not even as a viewer of photos.
        \_ JPG and GIFs are by nature already compressed, so there isn't
           a lot of bang for bucks when compressing something already
           compressed. You'll gain at most 1-2% compression and in some
           \_ This is a really stupid comment.
              \_ Care to explain why the op is stupid with a more
                 intelligent response?
                 \_ because later in the post the pp talks about how Flickr
                    "compress[es] everything". JPG is a compressed format,
                    but it is easy to shrink the file size plenty by adjusting
                    the quality. The OP didn't mean gzip when he was asking
                    for compression of his files. pp's comment was factual
                    if you're talking about zip but uninformative and misleading
                    if you're talking about zip but uninformative and
           cases the compressed file is even bigger. If you use Picasaweb
           it's 1G free and it's easy to make it private only. Flickr
           on the other hand has a 100M/month upload quota, and they
           compress everything for you so you don't get the orig size.
           In summary: Picasa should be available on the Mac now and
           you can upload easily. It'll downsize for you (if you wish)
           before uploading it to Picasaweb.
2009/1/7-12 [Science/Battery, Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:52329 Activity:low
1/7     new macbook 17" THE BIG ONE not the portable, has a non removable
        8 hour battery.  Dicuss.
        \_ it's like the airbook
           \_ no it's not, it's giant and i'm not going to carry that thing
        \_ stupid idea, will alienate customers.
         \_ Who will it alienate?  Assuming they can get longer battery
            life (both charge and number of charges) who cares?  So it costs
            an extra 100-200 bucks to change your battery but most likely
            you won't ever need to.  (I use my laptops pretty heavilly and it
            is only near the very end of their lives that the batteries start
            to go.  Give me 2x battery lifespan and that isn't going to be a
            problem.)  And if you do you save anyway because you replace the
            battery less often.
            \_ did you weld the hood shut on your bmw?
                \_ if the hood didn't need to be opened until 4 years later,
                   and the car had little economic life after 4 years, that
                   might be a better analogy. A better analogy might be that
                   cars use a lot more electronics than they used to, so a
                   2009 BMW is a lot harder to self-maintain than an '82 bug.
        \_ steve has syphilis and it's finally showing.
        \_ Why not?
        \_ Not as crazy as it sounds. I've only ever removed my battery to
           upgrade the RAM, and a 8 hour battery life is very attractive,
           since this past semester one of my classes was 2 hours and my
           macbook barely made it each time. --t
        \_ why are all these idiots sold on the 8 hours of battery life?
           \_ because apple has never provided that before
              \_ do they know you can get 8 hours of battery life with any
                 number of non-apple laptops?
                 \_ Not a thin(ish) top of the line, full power laptop with
                    a large screen.  It's hard getting 8 hours out of a
                 \_ Yes. But choice of OS > battery life. I'd rather run OS X
                    than Windows, and with Linux I have the nasty tendency to
                    play with everything until I muck things up to the point I
                    have to reinstall (so I keep it on my desktop, which I don't
                    use as much, and can keep it working). --t
                    have to reinstall (so I keep it on my desktop, which I
                    don't use as much, and can keep it working). --t
2008/12/9-14 [Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:52214 Activity:nil
12/9    Does anyone know if updates for clam av for mac are distributed in
        some signed way like say the update files for trendAV or even in
        like the way .debs are signed?
2008/12/5-10 [Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:52174 Activity:kinda low
12/5    I suggest CSUA buy a Mac and run MacOS on it. Maybe run Linux in
        a VM, too. I think students will get more bang for their buck
        trying to run services on MacOS than with "Just Another Linux Box".
        \_ On what basis? We do have an AppleTV, which we've yet to hack
           so it runs full OS X, but as a OS X user myself, I don't see the
           OS being useful for useful services except if we get OS X server
           and a proper OS X box, since that's what has all of the value
           added by using OS X (i.e. admin interfaces, basically).
           \_ Build the services you want from source. Getting stuff to
              work in an alien environment is how you learn. Now that
              people are spoonfed RPMs a lot of the real nuts and bolts of
                                  \_ you are a great man, sysadmining in asm.
              the OS are being hidden just as they are in Windows. You'd
              learn a hell of a lot more about both the services and about
              MacOS by attempting to build and run some stuff on a Mac, IMO.
              CSUA is a great playground for that. I don't think you want a
              bulletproof server that is easy to maintain. Where's the
              challenge in that? As a student I'd want a Mac, an OpenSolaris
              box, an NT box, and even a VMS box if I could get my hands on
              one. Nothing like trying to build your favorite server app on VMS
              to help you understand the app, the libraries it depends on, and
              the OS a lot better. Back when I was learning I needed to
              compile X11 from source and learned a lot about it that way.
              Now it ships with the OS. Can you run your favorite window
              manager on MacOS under X11? TWM would be awesome. Enquiring
              minds want to know.
              \_ TWM and awesome?  Are you high?
              \_ I have a mac laptop and I've used fink, macports, as well as
                 plain-ol' command-line ./configure and make. So does the VP.
                 I did in fact compile a few window managers on OS X, then
                 threw them away because I realized I never spend any time in X
                 on Macs anyway (and now it's broken for some reason on my
                 laptop). Learning to compile stuff can be done pretty easily on
                 Debian too, since you have the crutch of libraries if you want
                 or can just download and build everything yourself anyways,
                 setting --PREFIX=$HOME/local so you don't need root for
                 installation. I tried Nexenta (in a VM), but I couldn't think
                 of anything to do on it, since I already have a server at my
                 parents' home, my Linux computer, my mac, and soda itself.
                 laptop). Learning to compile stuff can be done pretty easily
                 on Debian too, since you have the crutch of libraries if you
                 want or can just download and build everything yourself
                 anyways, setting --PREFIX=$HOME/local so you don't need root
                 for installation. I tried Nexenta (in a VM), but I couldn't
                 think of anything to do on it, since I already have a server
                 at my parents' home, my Linux computer, my mac, and soda
                 \_ So what's your point here? Is your Mac laptop accessible
                    to the entire CSUA? BTW, I use X11 on my Mac almost
                    non-stop. To me it (and commandline *NIX commands) are
                    the best thing about MacOS versus Windows other than I
                    like the Mac laptop hardware a lot better. Debian
                    teaches you nothing really, since most configure
                    scripts know about Linux and do a lot of the work for
                    you and there's a lot of Linux-based help easily found
                    on Google.
                    \_ Buying a mac so people can tinker with it is a dumb idea.
                    \_ Buying a mac so people can tinker with it is a dumb
                       \_ I think buying a new Linux box when you already
                          have one is a dumb idea. OpenSolaris is dead.
                          MacOS has a future. It would be a useful skill
                          to know MacOS in addition to FreeBSD and Linux boxes
                          which *already* exist. I think it's reasonable
                          that CSUA members might get jobs developing on
                          Mac platform.
                          \_ Whoa there. Developing on OS X and administrating
                             OS X are two entirely different monsters. There is
                             nothing stopping people from playing with XCode,
                             Interface Builder, etc. and learning all of the
                             ropes can be done an an el cheapo OS X box. --t
                             \_ Which is why I think CSUA should buy an el
                                cheapo OS X box. Whether it is used for
                                development, sysadmin, or something else
                                is up to the user community. I would say
                                all of the above. I think it's money
                                better spent than upgrading the current
                                (adequate) soda.
                                \_ What are you smoking? Restarting keg multiple
                                   times *per day* is far from adequate, and it
                                   isn't for soda that we're upgrading. We want
                                   to reduce the load on keg drastically, and
                                   one consequence of getting a new server is
                                \_ What are you smoking? Restarting keg
                                   multiple times *per day* is far from
                                   adequate, and it isn't for soda that
                                   we're upgrading. We want to reduce the
                                   load on keg drastically, and one
                                   consequence of getting a new server is
                                   that we can also take the opportunity to
                                   re-organize our current computing resources.
                                   (i.e. run things in VMs so we can move stuff
                                   around later without too much fuss). --t
                       Running FreeBSD or some variant of OpenSolaris would be
                       far more useful. Debian teaches you plenty, if you're
                       coming in at an entry level. Are you saying that because
                       there's more help and crutches for linux that we will be
                       less capable for using it? I don't buy it.
                       In summary: for servers, macs are minimal benefit for
                       maximal cost, for the CSUA. Debian is a good start.
                       \_ By the way, there is plenty of evidence already
                          that the current politburo is less capable. We
                          can debate whether Linux is to blame, but it
                          plays some part.
                          \_ Considering the shit I've seen as a lab assistant,
                             reader, tutor, and TA, I assure you that there are
                             very, very, very few capable people in general.
                             Until I pointed out how incredibly stupid it was,
                             the submission method for a project for a class I'm
                             involved with was for the TAs to look at the
                             modtime of a file to verify that the files were not
                             edited after the due date. --t(oulouse)
                             the submission method for a project for a class
                             I'm involved with was for the TAs to look at the
                             modtime of a file to verify that the files were
                             not edited after the due date. --t(oulouse)
                          \_ Shut your trap.  Judging from what I've seen this
                             is the most competent politburo we've had in a
                             long time. -jrleek
                             \_ Point taken, but it wasn't a high bar to pass.
        \_ Running LDAPNFSCRONVI off of a VM running in Parallels on a new
        \_ Running LDAPNFSCRONVILARP off of a VM running in Parallels on a new
           MacBook Pro is the best solution.
           \_ the MacBook Air would be more appropriate for kewl factor.
2008/12/3-10 [Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:52152 Activity:nil
12/3    The Apple Mac OS X Internet Technologies group (iChat, iCal, Safari,
        Mail, CoreServices filesystems/OSServices/networking, ...) is looking
        for interns.  IMO, successful candidates have a passion for CS,
        demonstrated excellence / ability to get stuff done, are proficient
        with the Mac platform, can learn quickly, and have a keen interest in
        one of the above areas.  For more info: newgrad/oldgrad
        job listings,  Cupertino.  Send me your resume. -jctwu
        \_ Also, iTunes usually picks up a Cal undergrad. There are a lot of Cal
           EECS grads on the team (don't know if we have any CS grads). -abe
        \_ If there had been an OS X box for people to cut their teeth on then
           CSUA members might have a leg up over at least some candidates.
2008/11/7-13 [Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:51870 Activity:nil
11/7    So much for hoping for change
        \_ The report also said board members appointed by the President,
           such as Emanuel, serve terms that are far too short "for them to
           play a meaningful role on the Board."
           \_ Don't let your pesky facts get in jblack's way!
              \_ jblack, are you posting to the motd again? Welcome back,
                 did you ever find those WMD you kept harping on about?
2008/11/3 [Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:51794 Activity:nil
11/3    Anyone point me to a solution for OSX  mac printing to a windows domain\
based computer that requires authorising. All the syntax that I have seen in var\
ious posts does not work (e.g. smb://username:password@machine/queue ). I was wo\
ndering if I should just accept it and wait until smbpool is fixed? Connecting\
via smbclient works just fine.
2008/10/19-22 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:51579 Activity:nil
10/19   How the Republican lobbying game killed Freddie Mac reform:
2008/10/8-9 [Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:51435 Activity:nil
10/08   Anyone notice ann increase in SPIM oflate?  I am recent Mac convert
        and I dont see an option in Adium to  only accept messages from those
        on my contact list. Any add-ons do this? Thanks
2008/10/6-9 [Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:51407 Activity:nil
10/6    A question for the Mac geeks out there. I bought a new SDHC Card for my\
        camera and find that my card reader will not read it. Its identical in
        size and shape to smaller cards (.e.g. 1G) which are read just fine.
        I checked the Belkin web site to no avail. I am guessing that this
        is just an update to the driver involved ?
        \_ Does your card reader claim to support SDHC? SD and SDHC have the
           same form factor but your hardware needs to physically support it.
           IOW, no, it may not just be a driver update.
                 No it does not say SDHC on it. I assumed (wrongly) that since
                I bought it from the Apple Store two weeks ago that it would
                at least support the format. I guess I am SOL since I opened
                the packaging too. (Grumble). Thanks for the info
2008/9/22-29 [Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:51261 Activity:nil
9/21    So I did it and got myself a Macbook Pro. Any suggestions for the best
        PC->Mac transition?  After finding out that Outlook is not supported
        under Mac; I bought parallels and am installing XP to grab my outlook
        mail archive (~1GB) from the original PC disk (the pc itself is
        basically dead). Any suggestions on a relatively painless import to
        entourage? The Mac Genius guy also reccomended an upgrade to 4GB and
        said that you needed to buy an upgrade kit and ; unlike PC; all RAM
        is not created equal pgrade kit and ; unlike PC; all RAM
        is not created equal. Can Ibuy this from frys or do I need to order it
        online ? Thanks
        \_ Just use quality brand and matching (or exceeding) requirements.
           I put Corsair in Mac and it works fine.  Just go through some
           reviews on
        \_With new laptops coming out in a couple weeks, why would you buy a
          Macbook Pro now.  You could get a much nicer machine for the same
          price, or end up paying less for what you bought.
          \_ Not the OP, but I'd bet the buying decision was based on the
             untimely death of previous system.  Reading comprehension FTW
             -- Waiting for new MBP but still have working system
                        -- Yes; its the same poster. Dell death was prime
                        motivator as well as the closeout pricing. I also
                        have travel coming up and I wanted to finish the
                        conversion before then.
        \_ FYI, Entourage 2008 (part of Microsoft's Mac Office 2008) works
           pretty well with Exchange.
           \_ Really? Maybe I willl ask helpdesk for an upgrad ethen.
           \_ Really? Maybe I willl ask helpdesk for an upgrade then.
              \_ Yeah. I have been using Entourage 2008 with our office
                 exchange server for 6+ months and haven't had any major
                 problems.  The only issue I have had w/ our exchange
                 server and Entourage 2008 is that the exchange server
                 refused to authenticate me if I supplied a workgroup.
2008/8/9-13 [Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:50832 Activity:nil
8/9     RIP Bernie Mac (complications with pneumonia) (Chicago Tribune)
        \_ At least now they won't make Ocean's 14
2008/7/3-8 [Computer/Companies/Apple, Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:50462 Activity:nil
7/3     I'm not much of an apple guy.  Is there some legitimate reason an
        OSX box would be trying to access the SNMP interface on a random
        other box on the network? (Same class C)
2008/6/30-7/14 [Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:50430 Activity:nil
6/30    Work in Los Angeles as an Entry Level IT person with Linux, OSX,
        and Windows.
                      \_ A
2008/4/2-6 [Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:49647 Activity:nil
4/2     I'm running Windows.  How do i get cool virtual desktops
        like on a mac or 100 million other Unix window managers?
        \_ 2 minutes of googling should get you some answers.
           MS has a "powertoy" for this.
        \_ VMware Workstation?
2008/3/17-21 [Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:49480 Activity:nil
3/17    Anyone using a Windows Mobile based phone and is using a mac to sync/
        backup?  I don't want the current iPhone, but my phone's on its last
        leg, so can't wait for the next iPhone to come out.  I'm considering
        the Moto Q (9h.)  Thanks.
        \_ I think the default iSync for Windows Mobile is not very good.
           Most people I know with a Mac and Windows Mobile use Missing
2008/3/14-17 [Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:49463 Activity:nil
3/14    Obama is a Mac Daddy
        \_ Completely unfunny.
        \_ Can I have those 10 minutes of my life back?
2007/11/14-21 [Computer/SW/OS/OsX, Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD, Computer/SW/OS/Linux] UID:48636 Activity:moderate
11/14   Any reason I should format my disk in JFS or XFS or REISERFS
        instead of good old EXT3 (this is Linux, obviously) ?
        \_ XFS supports larger filesystems than ext3, which may or may not
           matter to you.
           \_ The "larger" filesystem quantifier is no longer big of an
               \_ What if I really do want to get rid of her?

              issue, especially if you're using 64-bit OS. But if you're
              working with large files, this is where xfs shines. ReiserFS
              is still better at handling many small files. I have no
              experience with JFS. Last I used ReiserFS, it had no
              dump/restore tools, which may or may not matter to you.
        \_ if you go with resierfs, your wife might go missing and you get
           the blame for her disappearance!
           \_ Don't kill your wife and it won't be a problem.
               \_ What if I really do want to get rid of her?
                  \_ Divorce is less risky than murder.
        \_ I still haven't found a fs format that plays well with mac / windows
           and unix all at the same time.  Fat32 is a weak kludge ,
           and it won't handle files larger than 1 gig i believe.
           \_ There's now an ext2/ext3 driver availiable for Windows.  I use
           \_ There's now an ext2/ext3 driver available for Windows.  I use
              that for my shared drive now rather than Fat32. I don't know
              about Mac.
              \_ is it reliable?  do you trust it?
                 \_ Well, I haven't had any trouble with it.  Of course, I'm
                    not doing anything all that important either, and it's all
                    backed up.  It's not the most user friendly thing in the
                    world.  It doesn't automount the ext2 drives, for example.
                    Here's the link.
              \_ Did zfs end up in Leopard, or was it pulled before release?
                 There are slow-but-working zfs support for linux and windows,
                 as well as ports to freebsd and of course, opensolaris.
        \_ ext3 does not support online defragmentation.
        \_ We looked at all four file systems a few years back and ext3 was
           the most reliable by far. JFS is a distant second, but there are
           still cases in the code where a power outage at the wrong time will
           lead to massive data loss. XFS does not support errors during
           journal replay (by design) and thus is TOTALLY UNSUITABLE for any
           data you really care about (again, by design). The last I looked,
           ReiserFS had some fundamental errors / race conditions in journal
           replay. When it is my data, I use ext3. --twohey
           \- i'm curious how much of your finding were things flawed-by-
              design vs. implementations bugs [which could have been fixed
              since], as well as if you were just looking at the potential for
              irrecoverable data loss, or worst case performance issues
              [like some fs+hardware combos seem to have problems with
              high metarate operation rates, or concurrency etc]. anyway,
              if you have some ptrs to papers you think have still relevant
              results, i'd be interested. [btw, have you seen ibm gpfs?
              that fs blew me away from day 1]. --psb
              \_ How much is gpfs?
                 \- One Million Dollars, Mr. Bond.
              \_ It has been about 5 years but XFS+Linux was horrible at that
                 time.  We lost a lot of data on Linux XFS.  SGI XFS was like
                 magic, though.  We brutally punished an SGI box and it kept
                 on ticking.
           \_ You might want to try Veritas' VxFS.  They give it away with
              VxVM in a combination called "Storage Foundation Basic".  I think
              they limit the number of file systems you can use in the free
              \_ Thanks for pointing out the freebie version.
              \_ I've always wondered about VxFS, but never had a chance to
                 get my hands on it. What are some of the advanced features
                 it provides over usual list of linux/bsd file systems?
2007/11/12-16 [Computer/SW/Unix, Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:48607 Activity:high
11/12   Server nerds, CCC for mac is totally awesome.  is there somethng
        as cool and friendly for PC or unix?
        \_ Hi.  "CCC" is a free mac program known as "Carbon Copy Cloner".
           If you use a Mac, and have some sort of external usb or firewire
           drive, I recommend you spend 15 minutes downloading it and
           setting it up.  You can easily make a backup set up your data,
           set up incremental backups, and even make a nice bootable image
           of your drive onto your external usb drive, so when the disk
           on your Mac finally fails (all drives fail eventually), it's
           just a few minutes work getting up again (after you replace the
           drive obviously).  I'm not trolling, I'm just describing
           my experience, my Mac is not running a terabyte SAN NAS fiber
           highly available hot swapping RAID, calm the fuck down.
        \_ What is CCC? -dans
           \_ Wow, you are really ignorant.  Stay in school!
           \_ Color Climax Corp. of Denmark.
              \_ Oh, so it's like rsync for people who can't be bothered to
                 learn rsync. -dans
                       \- dont be silly. i'm a "BFUN" [\infra] and probably
                          have looked deeper into rsync than 99% of rsync
                          users [i.e. how to optimize for certain large
                          data sets in scientific computation, see e.g.
                          mutli-round rsync paper], but i use these $5-$30
                          programs to back up my computer ... the calculus
                          is "are these worth $5-$30", not "can i write
                          something similar". ironically your comment echos
                          holob's "http is ftp for idiots".
                          \_ If I'm going to back up data it's because I value
                             it appreciably more than $5-$30.  I've seen
                             elaborate backup systems fail at recovery time
                             because the data was corrupt.  You'll forgive me
                             if I compare a known good one-line rsyncism to a
                             $5 to $30 backup program that may or may not
                             work.  I think you and I are working with
                             different calculuses. -dans
                             \_ This is again typical: 1. you are claiming
                                this isnt that hard 2. You claim you wouldn't
                                trust a program that google will tell you has
                                1000s of satisified users --> 1. do you think
                                everyone else is a moron? or 2. do you not
                                feel you can tell the difference between
                                a review written by a moron/non moron? ...
                                in fact often you can even read the author's
                                writings and judge for yourself ... in fact
                                if you weren't such a pud, you might even
                                if you weren't pud like you, you might even
                                entertain the notion the author is cleverer
                                thn you. and it's a question of whether your
                                than you. and it's a question of whether your
                                "marginal time" to reproduce the functionlity
                                of the $30 software is worth $30 ... not "is
                                the functionality of the software worth $30".
                                The fundamental E_HOLARB is the "center of
                                universe problem": statements he makes
                                "about the world" often are really
                                "about the universe" often are really
                                statements about his state of knowledge.
                                one attendant phenomena is pronoucing things
                                "easy" when you really havent considered the
                                "easy" when you relly havent considered the
                                nuances. does ths sound familiar ["one line
                                rsync"]? you have a lot in common with
                                holob, except i think your head is further up
                                rsync"]? man you have a lot in common with
                                holob, except i think you head is further up
                                your ass ... might be interesting to see over
                                time whether it gets buried deeper or starts
                                to "slide" out.
                                "if the functionality of the software worth
                                $30". man you have a lot in common with holob,
                                (like assuming things where you havent
                                considered some nuances "simple" ... the
                                Fundamental Holarb Diagnosis aka the "center
                                of universe problem" is statements he makes
                                "about the universe" often are really
                                statements about his state of knowledge)
                                except i think you head is further up your
                                ass ... be interesting to see over time whether
                                it is buried deeper or starts to "slide" out.
                                it is gets buried deeper or starts to "slide"
                                \_ Partha, if I didn't know how to accomplish
                                   this with rsync already, then, yes, that
                                   would make sense.  In my case, the time
                                   required to reproduce the functionality of
                                   a $30 piece of software is a sunk cost.  The
                                   time to research that piece of software has
                                   a significant marginal cost.  Also, one or
                                   even many good reviews don't offer proof
                                   that the software doesn't have some
                                   obscure, fatal flaw.  I'm not saying that
                                   this is the case for everyone. -dans
                                   \_ You simply are wrong if you think
                                      all one of these backup suites
                                      does is rsync-type functionality.
                                      I'm not interested in assessing
                                      whether this error is due to
                                      ignorance or arrogance etc.
                                      \_ Oh, I have no doubt they do other
                                         things; it's more a question of what
                                         *I* need/how well it handles massive
                                         amounts of data. -dans
                        \_ Do other languages have the 'your head is lodged
                           firmly up your ass' idiom, or is this an English
                           only thing?
                           \- only in pointer-based languages --psb
                              \_ So you are saying dans is difficult to
                                 garbage collect? -- ilyas
                              \_ Are you saying dans is hard to garbage
                                 collect? -- ilyas
                 \_ This is true.  In my experience if you're not a big fucking
                    unix nerd and you spend all day making pretty pictures
                    in Adobe CS, you don't want to worry about the details
                    of rsync and keeping backup restoral incremental sets.
                    In fact even if you are a big fucking nerd you have
                    better things to do.
                    \_ I'll have to check it out.  If only it was invented ten
                       years earlier. -dans
           \_ Color Climax Corp. of Denmark.  Check out its Teenage Sex series.
           \_ Chaos Computer Club
2007/10/26-29 [Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:48450 Activity:nil
10/25   Does anyone know of a good RealAudio stream ripper for OS X?  Is
        Audio Hijack Pro still the best game in town? -dans
        \_ mplayer
2007/10/24-26 [Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:48432 Activity:low
10/24   What's the best way to transfer files from PC<->Mac?
        \_ Firewire or USB2 drive?
        \_ scp/sftp
        \_ Put 'em on the same network and open File Sharing on the Mac.
        \_ insert usb memory stick
        \_ 1/2" tape.
2007/10/10-12 [Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:48278 Activity:kinda low
10/10   One good thing to come out of MS.  The Consolas font.
        Anyone else have a preferred monospace font?
        \_ bleach, that looks awful especially in low point sizes.
           My preferred font is ProFont
           It is clear, excellent for coding, and quite compact. -ERic
           \_ Ooh, that's nice and haven't seen that.  I'll try it out for a
              while.  Thanks for the pointer. -op
              Oh, the bold is kind of weak.  The "m" and "w"s turn into blobs
              at 8 point. (The TTF version)
           \_ no Chinese glyph
           \_ Ooh, that's nice and haven't seen that.  I'll try it out though
              the bold is kind of weak.  The "m" and "w"s turn into blobs at 8
              point. (The TTF version) -op
              \- what abou the ENTRELLA FONT
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