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| 2004/8/14-16 [Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD, Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:32901 Activity:moderate |
8/14 Any good experiences with automated MP3 tagger/renamer/organizer?
I've got some stuff that has good file names, some with good ID3s info,
and some with neither, so musicbrainz support might be nice.
FreeBSD, Win2k, or OS X, hopefully less than $40?
\_ Tag & Rename is great, though it's freeware only for 30 days
\_ mp3tag is okay and free. http://www.mp3tag.de/en
\_ mp3tag is okay and free. http://www.mp3tag.de/en
\_ easytag seems okay, and it's free too
\_ I liked ID3-Tagit |
| 2004/8/12 [Computer/SW/OS/OsX, Computer/HW/Memory] UID:32852 Activity:moderate |
8/11 Mac guy, did you end up getting the memory? Compusa and Fry's currently
have rebates on SODIMM memory
\_ I am the mac guy, jackass. Mac's don't work with cable modem. And
where's my shirt. |
| 2004/8/6 [Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:32732 Activity:moderate |
8/5 How do I close all open applications in OS X with just one keystroke?
\_ shift-command-Q
\_ open up a shell, kill -9
\_ that just kills one app at a time.
\_ kill -9 -1
\_ How many keystrokes is that?
\_ Hit the power button. |
| 2004/8/4-5 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:32697 Activity:nil |
8/4 Two hotbutton topics for the price of one!
Picture of John Kerry using a macintosh:
http://i.timeinc.net/time/covers/1101040719/teamup/images/03.jpg
\_ http://www.theapplecollection.com/various/Celebrity/GBush.html
\_ Mamby pamby liburls and they're macintushes! |
| 2004/7/28 [Computer/Companies/Apple, Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:32527 Activity:very high |
7/28 MacOS X Internet Connect.app vulnerability:
http://secunia.com/advisories/12157
\_ Does anyone use OSX?
\_ weak troll
\_ not really. whats its markeshare? under 1%?
\_ Among sodans, I'd guess that maybe 5-10% own at least one
Mac. 80% want one. And the rest are voting for Bush.
\_ What does voting for Bush have to do with owning a
Mac?
\_ Nothing. It was a weak troll.
\_ 3.7% in the US:
http://idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=pr2004_07_14_153325
\_ of course 90% of computer users are retarded. Everyone
knows that smarter users use macs.
\_ Smart users use command prompt to train their brains.:-) |
| 2004/7/27 [Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD, Computer/SW/Unix, Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:32505 Activity:nil |
7/26 is there a way to list the file in your user space that has the largest
size? (Thank you all for the help except that idiot posted the rm
command)
\_ rm -Rf ~/
\_ does anyone ever use R instead of r?
\_ ls | sort | head
\_ ls -lR | sort +4rn But this won't tell you which directory
the files are in.
\_ du -k $HOME | sort -nr -k1,1 | head
This should give you the files sizes of the largest files and
directories in your home directory. If you want just files:
{ find $HOME -depth -type f -print0 | \
xargs -0 ls -l | sort -rn -k5,5 ; } 2> /dev/null | head
BTW, -print0 and xargs -0 only work on *BSD, OS X and Linux. |
| 2004/7/14-15 [Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:32289 Activity:very high |
7/14 I bought several Intel GigE nics and one of them has a
bad mac addr (all ff's). dmesg shows the card as detected,
and proc/pci lists it, but ifconfig doesn't show an eth*
entry for it. Does anyone know how I can set the mac addr
so that I can use the card? (I'm using RH 9, but I can
just as easily stick the card in a WinXP, FreeBSD or
OpenBSD box). The card has a 82540 chip if that is of
any use. tia.
\_ I'm curious. Why don't you want to return the card?
\_ maybe s/he's curious about this. Why do think OP
doesn't want to return the card?
\_ If I can get the card working, then I wouldn't
have to deal with the hassle of getting a RMA
and shipping it back and waiting for a new one.
I'm planning on buying several dozen more of
these cards in the future and in case I run
into this problem again, I'd like to know if
it is possible to fix it.
\_ Return it. You've already had more hassle. You know that
the others work, so this one is defective. Send it back
and leave us alone.
\_ Return it. You've already had more hassle.
You know that the others work, so this one
is defective. Send it back and leave us
alone.
\_ Some cards have the MAC address printed on them somewhere.
\_ I know what the MAC address is supposed to be,
I just need a way of manually setting it up
in the eeprom of the card (linux says that
the eeprom contains an invalid chksum, and
the windows based card test utility from
intel says that it can't read the eeprom)
\_ Maybe that means the eeprom is bad? I think you're
trying to hard.
\_ FreeBSD allows you to set the MAC address. On bootup via
/etc/start_if.fxp0 or you can do it manually. Either way:
ifconfig fxp0 ether <mac address>
Yours won't be fxp0, it'll be whatever.
\_ Thanks, I'll give it a shot today.
\_ It might work on your broken card, but I agree with the
others who say you should RMA it. |
| 2004/7/14-15 [Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:32280 Activity:high |
7/14 Any ideas on why Mozilla/Firefox/etc is so slow on OSX? Even Camino,
"designed from the ground up for OSX," is really bad.
\_ Slow? FF seems as fast as Safari to me. Load time is slower than
Safari, but once it is loaded I can't really tell any difference.
\_ Did you try resizing the browser window? That was where I
noticed the big difference. I'm on a recent G4 Powerbook
running 10.3.x.
\_ I loaded the same http://amazon.com page in FF and Safari
just now and tried resizing the page. Both FF and
Safari seem to resize at about the same speed on
my iBook G4 (800 MHz model).
\_ Odd. Which OS version are you running?
\_ 10.3.4. I have 640 mb of ram, maybe that
is the difference? BTW, resizing isn't
that fast, its just that they are both
about the same speed.
\_ Why is everything so slow in OSX?
\_ Heh. Ever done a side by side comparison of OSX with any
other GUI? Lynx doesn't count, nerdling.
\_ OSX is sure slow, compared it to the previous Mac GUI,
compared it to Win2K, compared it to WinXP, compared it
to X on Solaris and Linux. OSX is just damn slow.
\_ If you are running anything other than twm on
Linux/Solaris, there is no way that I can buy
your story that the GUI is faster. BTW, when
they add features like print to pdf and Expose
to X11, lets see how fast it is. |
| 11/23 |
| 2004/7/8-9 [Computer/HW/Memory, Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:32185 Activity:very high |
7/8 I have a big C++ program that uses tons of memory. What tools would
for some reason I read that as mercury _/
be useful to figure out where that memory is going? What I'm
imagining is something that works like Quantify, except instead of
time for function & time for function + descendants, I want memory
for structure & memory for structure + descendants. Context would also
be useful (i.e. the call stack when the structure was first created).
Any thoughts? Currently platform-agnostic.
\_ turns out it's for MSVC++ 6 ... thoughts?
\_ YUO = TEH SCREWED!
\_ gprof (gcc) will tell you which constructors are being called
frequently, which helped me track down mem usage. If you're
willing to try it on KDE/Linux, check out valgrind-- I've heard
it's really good for this sort of thing. (Both are free).
\_ Does Purify do this?
\_ Don't think so. It keeps track of leaks etc. but I don't think
it does usage.
\_ valgrind?
\_ Linux only, and though cool, doesn't match too well with what I
want.
\_ If you can use Mac OS X there are a number of good tools. man
malloc(3) for starters. Also look at MallocDebug.app and the
other tools under /Developer/Applications/Performance Tools/
--twohey |
| 2004/6/26 [Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:31018 Activity:nil |
6/25 I am having trouble sending mail using Outlook XP (Mac) from my
hotmail account to any non-hotmail account. Sending to hotmail
account works just fine. How do I get around this problem? |
| 2004/6/25-26 [Computer/SW/Security, Computer/SW/OS/Windows, Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:31009 Activity:high |
6/24 Yay, IE6 vulnerability that affects fully patched systems, that
allows local machine access (downloading and running any .exe) on
previewing an e-mail or browsing a web site (including pop-up)!
System administrators rejoice!
http://csua.org/u/7xe
\_ IE on mac os x not affected, supposedly. :-)
\_ The payload is a Windows executable, but I wonder if the same
IE hole doesn't exist on Macs too...
\_ It's probably not as easy to execute arbitrary due to diff.
in underlying API. Also the mac division of MS is complete
separate and semi-autonomous/forgotten from the rest.
\_ But the report I read from the "Get the Facts" Roadshow said
that Microsoft is the fastest at fixing security holes!
\_ That's because their security holes are all the same. They just
keep on making the same mistakes over and over again. Besides,
how hard is it to fix a buffer overrun hole?
\_ Infect yourself! (with a "harmless" one)
http://62.131.86.111/security/idiots/repro/installer.htm
It overwrites C:\Program Files\Windows Media Player\wmplayer.exe
and runs the new one, then restores it when it's done.
\_ Gee, this sounds like GREAT advice.
\_ Has no visible effect on safari.
\_ sploit only affects IE, and probably only on Windows. |
| 2004/6/20-21 [Computer/Companies/Apple, Computer/Networking, Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:30920 Activity:high |
6/19 MacHelp: I have a G5 with an internal modem. I want to be able to
listen to audio from my phone line on my computer. How do I do this?
TIA. --erikred
\_ Go to Help->Mac Help and type "modem sound" into the question
box.
\_ Not exactly what I was looking for, but a step in the right
direction. Thanks. --erikred
\_ don't have a mac, so I don't know how it works, but if the modem
itself has a speaker, or a line to your sound, lookup the hayes
command set... If I remember correctly, you'll want ATM1 and ATL4
you can stick that into the modem init string (M1L4), or set it
once, and then write it to its settings with at&w |
| 2004/6/16 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers, Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:30827 Activity:high |
6/16 In Opera, when I go to the location bar to type in an address, it
won't let me type in anything. Please help.
\_ When was the last time you restarted your computer? Mac or PC,
Opera/Mozilla/IE/Safari or whatever the common fix for browser
weirdness seems to be a good old-fashoned restart.
\_ didn't work.
\_ Ok: OS, platform?
\_ Unistall, reinstall. |
| 2004/6/1-2 [Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:30535 Activity:kinda low 61%like:34936 |
6/1 MacHeads: Half-life for the Mac???
http://www.dealtime.com/xPR-Half_Life_Platinum_Edition_2
\_ Don't buy a mac for the games. You get only the top 10 sellers
which aren't always the better games and you get them 6-18 months
later. |
| 2004/5/24-25 [Computer/SW/OS/Windows, Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:30402 Activity:very high |
5/24 I'd like to create a small (2 page) weekly newsletter that will be
online and also printed out and distributed as PDF. Does anyone have
recommendations for good-quality software that can achieve either or
both of these goals? The only requirements are that it is easy to
add/archive documents, and that it is converted to PDF without much
effort. Thanks.
\_ openoffice
\_ I'd prefer something that didn't depend on a unix platform.
Thinking of the long term (~2 years from now), people that
take over publishing this newsletter probably won't know
anything but Windows or Mac. -op
\_ It runs on Windows. Actually I use it regularly and don't
have MS Office installed on any of my machines. When
sending at doc to one of my Office using coworkers I just
tell it to save as an Office file...
\_ Can't make PDF for free on windows, AFAIK. But you can
on OS X I hear. Acrobat can be, uh, acquired for Win.
Actually nevermind there is OpenOffice for Windows.
\_ WRONG, it does make PDF files on Windows without
installing anything else.
\_ you people are weird, I said "nevermind there is
openoffice for windows" and like 3 people after
that feel thay have to assert this fact.
\_ OS X has "Save as PDF" integrated into most editors.
Doesn't work too well with Open Office, however. Grr.
\_ Uh, there's OpenOffice for Windows too. And as for
free PDF solutions on Windows... hello, GhostScript?
\_ I remember trying that GS thing before, it was pretty
crappy. Just a PITA. Maybe it's better now.
chindipy. Just a PITA. Maybe it's better now.
heh, i just saw this site: http://www.ps2pdf.com
\_ there isn't much to GhostScript.
1. Install a PostScript printer driver (e.g. the
free PostScript driver from Adobe)
2. Run GhostScript's ps2pdf script.
3. There is no step 3.
\_ PROFIT!
\_ I think I had to fiddle with some fonts and
that postscript driver shit and printing
to files is annoying. Obviously not a huge deal.
\_ Do it in HTML and have Mozilla print to PDF.
\_ http://sourceforge.net/projects/pdfcreator -dwc
\_ OS X can print to PDF with ease. You said you wanted Mac or PC, and
it's trivial with a Mac. File > Print > Save to PDF.
\_ In the windows world there are much cheaper PDF deistillers than
Adobe (like around 30 bucks). They may not be quite as full
featured, but for a small newsletter you don't need all those
odds and ends. You might wanna bite the bullet and spend the
cash, it will be a lot easier for non geeks to use. |
| 2004/5/15-17 [Computer/SW/Languages/Functional, Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:30245 Activity:moderate |
5/15 I'd like to start doing AI programming again. What is a good,
free common lisp distribution? I am using Max OS X. -tia
\_ cmucl. The sbcl fork runs on Darwin. -- ilyas
\_ sbcl forked some time ago and is not really the same as cmucl
anymore. Franz's Allegro (originated from CS dept at Cal) is
either free or costs a fortune, depending on the license. Also
available is openmcl, which is the only free one that has an
(experimental) cocoa interface (never tried it). gcl also works
now but isn't it still CLtl1? clisp is of course very slow.
You probably want to try sbcl and openmcl first. Somehow it
seems you get better selection for scheme (bigloo) or even
prolog (SWI or YAP).
\_ xsb is a good prolog implementation also, they have tabling
and other goodies. Bigloo is cool. SWI is slow. -- ilyas
\_ So is xsb a reliable prolog to use? Lots of the ones I've
at seem to be abandoned.
\_ I don't know if there's any work done on it anymore,
the latest version was released almost a year ago.
It is 'reliable' though, in a sense of being a good
non-buggy implementation with useful features. -- ilyas |
| 2004/5/6 [Computer/SW/OS/OsX, Computer/HW/Drives] UID:30063 Activity:nil |
5/6 Does anyone know of multi-drive IDE to Firewire or USB2 enclosures?
Preferably something that can hold 2-4 drives.
\_ http://www.lacie.com/products/product.htm?id=10118
I have no idea how good this product is.
\_ It countains about $800 of drives, and sells for $1200. I was
hoping for just an enclosure and under $200
\_ http://www.triumphtech.com makes multi-bay Firewire enclosures.
Call or email them for prices and distributors. I think you can
find some on newegg or maybe compgeeks too.
\_ Thanks! |
| 2004/4/28 [Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:13435 Activity:high |
4/27 Is there a way to scale horizontal and vertical directions by different
ratio when printing from Mac OS X?
\_ print to PDF and work from there.
\_ No method is provided because we at the Apple Mac User Experience
Lab have decided that there is no valid reason to want to do this.
\_ How would you do it under Windows? |
| 2004/4/27 [Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:13410 Activity:nil |
4/27 On Mac OSX, when I use IE and Safari on contents that have tabs
within <pre> </pre>, it doesn't indent correctly (it's not the
default 8 spaces/tab like my terminal). Is this a bug or is the
indentation of tab not specified in HTML?
\_ You can set up a style sheet to define how <pre> looks. -tom
\_ omg!!! a non-insulting, somewhat useful response from tom!!
\_ OMG!! An idiotic post from an anonymous coward! LOL! -tom
\_ let it go tom
\_ you should sign your name too -troll
\_ it's so rare we a get a non-troll post from tom.
maybe this will be the start of something new
and positive from him. --other troll
\_ When making snide remarks to a non-anonymous
user, you should sign your name. -YerMom
\_ Uh, ok. If I was replying to a non-anon
user I might have. --other troll
\_ tab spacing is not specified by HTML. |
| 2004/4/9-10 [Computer/HW/IO, Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:13115 Activity:nil |
4/9 One side of my shoulder hurts very often, even when I am not doing
anything but (especially) sitting. Don't know if this is repetitive
stress syndrome or anthritis. Not asking for medical opinion on motd
but just wondering if anyone else has had that too.
\_ Totally serious: left shoulder? I had the same thing, where I would
slouch very slightly on the left armrest, which could not be
adjusted low enough. 2 weeks ago I unscrewed the thing and made it
into an office mobile, and my shoulder's starting to feel better.
I keep the right one to use the mouse with.
\_ My office chair has no arm rests, and I like it that way.
\_ reformatted
\_ Right shoulder, but I use my left for mouse, even though I am
right handed. -- op
\_ Do you carry a backpack on one shoulder? Or carry anything
semi-heavy unbalanced on a regular basis?
\_ My g/f, who is 33, had the same problem. She went to the doc
and he said it was degenerative arthritis. He put her on an
exercise regimen that mostly made it go away.
\_ well are you doing a certain kind of movement (e.g. sports)?
\_ this is the motd.
\_ i had the same thing on my right shoulder. but it was only when
using my home computer after buying a new Mac (only relevant bc
I stopped using an MS keyboard). I bought a new chair and the prob
mostly went away. |
| 2004/4/7-8 [Computer/Networking, Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:13077 Activity:nil |
4/7 What startup script or configuration file can be modified to set
the ip address of a unix (actually Mac OS X) box to a particular
value? This is an emergency. Thanks a lot in advance!
\_ you can try running ifconfig or ipconfig *after* startup.
http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20020415091242448
\_ Tnx. But is there a way to directly set the manual ip addr
by modifying a file? My PB has some hardware problem so that
I cannot login from the console though it boots up normally.
I am trying to fix its IP in FW target mode and then ssh it
in normal mode. Right now I don't know its ip addr. Oh wait,
maybe I just found the file, though its a messy xml file.
\_ Well, if you can access your file via FW target mode,
you don't really need ssh. But if you do and you have
sshd and DHCP running, you could always just do a
broadcast ping on its subnet and ssh into the IP addr
that responds to it.
\_ why don't you boot into single-user mode?
cmd-s during startup.
\_ cmd key no longer works. Anyway, here is an easy
question. With two computer connected together by
an ether cable (autosensing ports), what do I have
to put down as the router address for the two?
Can I leave it blank as there is no need ro one?
\_ yes. other solutions: use a USB keyboard,
or broadcast ping from the other computer to
discover the 169.254.x.x private IP on the Mac.
\_ I can now ping the bad PB, but can't ssh to it
even though I set hostconfig corectly (it's 10.2.8).
What's wrong? Guess I am giving up and buying
an apple pro keyboard. |
| 2004/3/30 [Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD, Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:29888 Activity:high |
3/29 I'm installing binaries for both OsX and Linux and I'd like all the
users to have /usr/bin/<files> to be accessible. I thought about
/usr/bin/<files> for generic stuff (like scripts) and
/usr/bin/<platform>/<files> for platform specific things.
What is the correct approach to this?
\_ there are obviously several ways to do this, and "correct" is mostly
relative. what you describe is probably the most typical way to
do it though.
\_ FreeBSD way: put all the base stuff in /usr/bin. Platform supported
stuff goes in /usr/local/bin (eg, ports and pkgs). If you're not
using the provided pkg management stuff, put it in /opt.
\_ multiplatform support is a sysadm nightmare. Enjoy patching?
Upgrading Perl/CPAN/emacs and all that crap? Now you've got
2X the problem. There is only one correct way to deal with this.
One OS, nothing else. The correct OS to use is FreeBSD.
\- while the above post begs the question, i think there is
a lot of be said for not worrying about having a shared
dir for "sharable" codes. disk is cheep so i'd just ask soon
a lot to be said for not worrying about having a shared
dir for "sharable" codes. disk is cheap so i'd just ask to
have disjoint os specific trees and not worry about duplication
or keeping them in sync. --psb
\_ Why would you want to do that? Darwin and Linux do not have RW
compatible drivers except for old fashioned HFS (no +). |
| 2004/3/29-30 [Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD, Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:12920 Activity:high |
3/29 I'm installing binaries for both OsX and Linux and I'd like all the
users to have /usr/bin/<files> to be accessible. I thought about
/usr/bin/<files> for generic stuff (like scripts) and
/usr/bin/<platform>/<files> for platform specific things.
What is the correct approach to this?
\_ there are obviously several ways to do this, and "correct" is mostly
relative. what you describe is probably the most typical way to
do it though.
\_ FreeBSD way: put all the base stuff in /usr/bin. Platform supported
stuff goes in /usr/local/bin (eg, ports and pkgs). If you're not
using the provided pkg management stuff, put it in /opt.
\_ multiplatform support is a sysadm nightmare. Enjoy patching?
Upgrading Perl/CPAN/emacs and all that crap? Now you've got
2X the problem. There is only one correct way to deal with this.
One OS, nothing else. The correct OS to use is FreeBSD.
\- while the above post begs the question, i think there is
a lot to be said for not worrying about having a shared
dir for "sharable" codes. disk is cheap so i'd just ask to
a lot of be said for not worrying about having a shared
dir for "sharable" codes. disk is cheep so i'd just ask soon
have disjoint os specific trees and not worry about duplication
or keeping them in sync. --psb
\_ Why would you want to do that? Darwin and Linux do not have RW
compatible drivers except for old fashioned HFS (no +). |
| 2004/3/17 [Computer/SW/Unix, Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:12733 Activity:nil |
3/17 I have never programmed on pc, so here is a very basic question:
does window comes with a free development package that is ready to
use and fully functional, like xcode/project builder for os x or
gnu stuff for unix? or do I have to pay $$$?
\_ Cygwin.
\_ what a useless response. op: this is NOT what you are
looking for.
\_ no, it doesn't include any dev stuff, but you can use free tools
to develop full-featured applications:
Environment: cygwin is good, MS offers a free Unix tools pkg
Compiler: I use gcc on cygwin, or Sun's javac
IDE: eclipse (java/c++), netbeans, emacs
GUI building: netbeans (java), Qt (c++; your app must be GPL)
Other: Python has some good toolkit support as well
\_ doesn't gcc on cygwin generate binaries that also are dependent
on cygwin? MinGW + Msys might be a good alternative.
\_ there is a development kit:
http://www.bloodshed.net
Never tried, but a lot open-source software are developed using
that. |
| 2004/2/22-23 [Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:12351 Activity:high |
2/22 It seems that iPhoto isn't able to change the resolution of an
image. Does anyone know of a good shareware utility for OS X to
let me do simple image editing like this?
\_ You can crop the photo in Edit mode or do File: Export.
\_ I don't want to crop, but rather change the resolution
to a lower one. -op
\_ **** File: Export. ****
\_ I guess I'm not the only one who thinks iPhoto is pretty dumb.
Reminds me of some article that said something about OSX making
easy tasks easy, but the rest impossible.
\_ Dude: it makes stuff easy for non-computer users.
What do you expect? GUI blowjobs from your keyboard?
It isn't Photoshop light, it is a digital photo album. That's it.
\_ weak troll. There are a million ways to do this on a Mac.
\_ that is the same philosophy as Microsoft Windows' GUI.
Anyway, get FINK installed and then get GIMP installed. Works
fine here.
\- have you used darwin ports rather than fink? i think ports
may have more legs --psb
\_ Haven't tried darwin port but when recently I skimmed over
its packages it seems that its intersection w. fink <<
than their union. As for fink, I haven't been able to
upgrade it since moving to Panther despite following the
"instruction" on fink site. Fortunately, most of the existing
packages still works and did not get removed.
\- i havent given this tremendous thought but i think
the ports system/philosophy is a better approach for
packages that need tighter integration with the OS ...
say X11 or in my case some networking libraries. it is
possible i dont understand all the apple-specific
implications, however. --psb
\_ I just think it shouldn't be so hard.
\_ I use Pixel NHance, which is better than photoshop for a lot
of things. Doesn't resize though. Have you tried iResize?
\- hey do the "less well known" programs have worse generational
loss/re-encoding issues if you rotate/resize/crop etc jpgs
or does everyone use standard functions/algorthms so say a
2degree rotation is photoshop vs. "joe's graphics manipulator"
will be essentially the same. ok tnx. --psb
\_ Try http://www.yellowmug.com
There may be a utility there. If not ask the guy to write one
for you. He responds to emails and may be willing to. He is
a berkeley eecs dude. |
| 2004/2/20-21 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers, Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:12337 Activity:nil |
2/20 Does the mindterm ssh java client on csua home page work with
Mozilla 1.6 (for OS X)? After I typed in password nothing comes out.
\_ your password was sent to Chirac in France. |
| 2004/2/13 [Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:12235 Activity:kinda low |
2/12 After upgrading OSX to 10.3 my system (which has the max. possible RAM
of 640 MB for its model) starts to use a lot more VM than before.
Since I use a separate partition of about 768MB for VM, it is esp.
noticable. I have quite often been prompted that there is not enough
disk space left for VM. Although it is known that OSX is bloated,
this is still quite strange. Is it possible that there is a memory
leak in its kernel or some other foundation layer?
\_ must be a virus |
| 2004/2/9 [Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:12172 Activity:nil |
2/8 Is there a way to have IMAP not sync certain folders?
\_ isn't this dependent on your mail client?
\_ i was wondering if there were something like a .dontsync file
or something. anyway, I'm using Mail (OS X), so if there's a
client specific way, that would be great. |
| 2004/1/26-27 [Computer/SW/OS/OsX, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:11957 Activity:high |
1/26 I just transfered several thousand files from a Mac to a PC. Macs don't
have file extensions so is there any UNIX utility (or PC utility) that
will differentiate between word and excel files so that I can
programmatically add the .xls and .doc extensions? "file" simply says
"Microsoft Word" document.
\_ write an applescript. Unfortunately, I don't know the syntax for
grabbing creator codes from the finder. Maybe someone else on
here does. Applescript documentation is horrible.
\_ What I ended up doing was using perl to traverse the directory
hierarchy. I changed all :'s to -'s (PCs don't like :'s) and add
.xls extensions to each file. This is somewhat lame, but 95% of
the files are excel files and I was able to do this in less than
10 minutes (I already had the perl readdir traversal code handy,
I just had to find it)... of course, I did all this before asking
on the motd bc i didn't think i'd find any useful information here.
I'd still be interested in a nice solution (ideally, someone would
tell me that I just need to upgrade my version of file)
\_ you should rename the files while they are on the Mac.
http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/14404
\_ link not found and this is System 7 we're talking about.
\_ DEAR GOD WHY???
Uh. can you transfer them to a more modern mac first?
\_ It only took him 10 minutes this way.
\_ 'file' depends on the 'magic number' which is stored in a file.
you only really needed an updated magic file.
\_ This came up on google under "automatically macintosh file
extensions". I bet you can find more:
http://peccatte.karefil.com/software/MacNames/MacNamesEN.htm
\_ using perl, you can issue the file command recursively through
your dirtree and dump the results into a text file. You can
then open up the text file and issue a rename accordingly to
each of the files it finds. Should take about an hour to write
up in perl. -williamc
\_ An hour? It should take about 5 minutes in any shell. On a
bad day. Between commercials and surfing. This is a good
time for sed/awk for those too lazy to use the search/replace
function on their text editor.
\_ Hmmm, apparently you don't do any "shell scripting" on a PC
in Windows/DOS.
This can be done in five minutes on a UNIX machine, but
with Windows through a DOS VM box (assuming you're not
using cygwin) I'd have to spend some time testing it to
make sure it was functioning correctly. If using
the find command you'd have to figure out how to
dump the information into an intermediate text file
and parse the contents. Regardless, I'd like to see
your five minuts solution posted on the motd, it will
be informative. Also, wtf does does your text editor
have to do with identifying binary files??? Reading
comments like these makes you think that the poster
didn't understand the problem domain. -williamc
\_ i'm not the guy above, but you might want to consider
posting anonymously, lest people associate "williamc"
with "talking out of his ass". cygwin often works
*just fine*, and i don't see any reason to believe it
wouldn't in this case. as the OP has already mentioned
though, 'file' doesn't give enough information to
distinguish between word and excel files. but even
supposing it did, you would either want to use sed/awk
to massage the output into an easier to parse format,
or use a text editor to do it if you don't know how
to use sed/awk. perhaps you should keep quiet instead
of making an ass of yourself next time.
\- ObEmacsDiredMode --psb
\_ What I ended up doing was using perl to traverse the directory
hierarchy. I changed all :'s to -'s (PCs don't like :'s) and add
.xls extensions to each file. This is somewhat lame, but 95% of
the files are excel files and I was able to do this in less than
10 minutes (I already had the perl readdir traversal code handy,
I just had to find it)... of course, I did all this before asking
on the motd bc i didn't think i'd find any useful information here.
I'd still be interested in a nice solution (ideally, someone would
tell me that I just need to upgrade my version of file) |
| 2004/1/26-27 [Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:11946 Activity:high |
1/26 Is there a program for Mac that catches programs making unauthorized
network access/"call home".
\_ Sounds like you want 'Little Snitch':
http://www.obdev.at/products/littlesnitch
(This is OS X only, not sure if there was something like this for
OS 9).
\_ it's called a firewall.
\_ most home firewalls only block incoming.. and allow unrestricted
access outgoing. since he said "call home" i assume he means
\_ Yes a firewall can do that. But how is your firewall is going
to tell the legitimate outgoing traffic (say web browsing) from
such "call-home" connections unless you start monitoring all
outgoing traffic or doing something equally inconvenient?
something more like zonealarm pro but for mac
\_ what you're talking about is a router that does NAT. Any
decent software firewall will check inbound and outbound
connections.
\_ Yes a firewall can do that. But how is your firewall is
going to tell the legitimate outgoing traffic (say web
browsing) from such "call-home" connections unless you
start monitoring all outgoing traffic or doing something
equally inconvenient?
\_ OP wants zone alarm for the mac.
\_ because any firewall that isn't totally stupid will
ask you, "hey, program X is trying to send packets to
Y on port Z. Do you want to allow this once, always,
not this time, or never?"
\_ Which is completely inconveniet and unacceptable to
lots of users. Many of the sites I visit every day I
visit for the first time and I don't want to be asked
every minute the same stupid question. Most firewalls
have that feature turned off by default for a good
reason.
\_ ZoneAlarm by default only warns you when a new
program tries to access the net, not when the
same program tries to access a new site. So
after the first day you almost never get new
dialog boxes. Get a clue. -tom
\_ I used a simple example, but any decent
software firewall is rule-based. Rules look
like: "Always allow connections from Mozilla.
Allow connections from ssh, but only to csua.
Deny all connections from Photoshop. Ask me
about anything else." It's not that hard.
Good firewall programs will let you create
rules when they initially prompt you. Yes,
you might get a prompt the first time you
start your web browser, but not for each site,
unless *you* *choose* to configure your
firewall that way.
\_ Which "firewall" checks if an outgoing traffic is generated by
some spyware/MS rather than ssh/mozilla?
\_ most firewall will tell you the name of the file which is
trying to gain access. |
| 2004/1/23 [Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:29757 Activity:nil 54%like:11901 |
1/23 http://csua.org/u/5o3 [pointer link replaced with direct link] KisMAC: Kismet, airsnort, airjack, and several other tools rolled into one for OS X |
| 2004/1/23 [Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:11901 Activity:nil 54%like:29757 |
1/23 http://www.pantsfactory.org/?action=comments&linkid=1038 KisMAC: Kismet, airsnort, airjack, and several other tools rolled into one for OS X |
| 2004/1/20 [Computer/SW/Security, Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD, Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:11846 Activity:nil |
1/19 Slow to load, but worth it.
This guy is no crook, I used to work with him, he is just
a geeky programmer:
http://squeedlyspooch.com/blog/archives/000072.html
\_ He was being accused of ...?
\_ Raping his cats.
\_ Close enough: hacking Valve and stealing the source code
for Half-Life 2. So, wtf? did he do it?
\_ I suspect this particular guy probably didn't or he
wouldn't be spewing his story over the net, but I wouldn't
be surprised if one of his friends or net.friends did it.
\_ http://www.csua.org/u/5m7 |
| 2004/1/6 [Computer/SW/OS/OsX, Consumer/Audio] UID:11692 Activity:nil |
1/6 4GB ipod mini: flash based, size of credit card, $249
\_ don't get this, for $50 more you can get a full Ipod at 15gb.
Reminds me of the days when they had the original Mac. vs.
the Mac XL (refurbed Lisa). The size is't that much smaller.
\_ it's hard drive based
\_ I stand corrected. -op
\_ the above poster is probably right -- you can't buy 4 GB of
flash memory for $249.
\_ Apple lied. they tried to quell the rumor that they were releasing
the product.
\_ Does anyone know if it uses the IBM Microdrive? That's the
only thing that would seem to working in that ff.
\_ IBM never made the microdrive cheaply or in quantity. There's a
4.4-gig drive from GS-Magicstor and a 1.5-gig from Cornice. |
| 2003/12/17 [Computer/HW/Memory, Computer/SW/OS/Linux, Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:11496 Activity:moderate |
12/17 Does anyone know why XP seems to run certain programs that consume
lots of RAM at full speed right after a reboot, but significantly
slower after a lot of uptime? And don't just tell me "obUseLinux,"
I would if I could, but Cubase doesn't run under Linux. I'll also
add that there doesn't seem to be any difference in page file usage
between "slow runs" and "fast runs."
\_ Sounds like your app is just allocating more over time (mem leak?)
or else having to swap stuff back in.
\_ No visible memory leak that I can discern, but then the tools
that M$ gives you to evaluate performance are pretty
rudimentary and I wouldn't be at all surprised if stuff is
slipping through the cracks.
\_ memory fragmentation might be an issue too
\_ If it doesn't run on Linux, it isn't worth running. Get a new app!
\_ *laugh* So can you suggest a MIDI/audio sequencer that does
low latency audio and runs all the latest and greatest virtual
instrument plugins in Linux? Oh wait, you mean there's no such
product? Oh darn. Oh well. Guess I'll just have to give up on
making music then, because LINUX IS THE STANDARD!
\_ obGetAMacRunningOSX.
\_ Nah. Why drop 3 grand on a Mac when I could spending
that money on new plugins and gear, and even a cheap
new PC to run stuff on?
\_ You don't need a $3k Mac to do MIDI stuff. Even
a $1k 1GHz G4 can handle that sort of thing.
\_ Run netstat -an to check if your PC's been hijacked. |
| 2003/11/21 [Computer/SW/Editors/Emacs, Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:11164 Activity:nil |
11/20 Setting up colours on my emacs. How do I check what colors are
available on my OSX? thanks.
\- mr. emacs doesnt like helping people with font-lock or color
questions but mr. emacs suggesting trying M-x list-colors-display.
On the question of homosexual marriage: try "papaya whip" |
| 2003/11/19 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux, Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:11130 Activity:nil |
11/17 I have two linux boxes running debian. their sources.list files
are identical. on one box, I can get the kernel-image-2.4.20*
but the other I cant. dpkg -l "*kernel-image-2.4.2*" :
1) No packages found matching *kernel-image-2.4.2*.
2) ii kernel-image-2.4.20 2.4.20-9 Linux kernel image for version ..
ii kernel-image-2.4.21 2.4.21-4 Linux kernel image for version ..
What could cause this?
\_ dunno, this never happens on my windows or mac.
\_ Neither does this, uptime: up 300 days, 20:11, 230 users
\_ soda doesn't exactly do all that much hard labor though.
\_ heh. nice attempt at a troll.
\_ but it's true. what do people do on soda? read/write
some mail, nuke motd, blather on wall, maybe edit
some webpages. bfd. it's not like someone's been
compiling massive software, running mozilla, or
handling huge amounts of traffic all day for 300 days.
what's the load average? 0.39, 0.45, 0.40? psh.
\_ I wasn't attempting to troll. It's the truth. Both
windows and macs don't have that problem. When you
nerdlings write a system normal people can use, let us
know. You're also really dimwitted if you think a
freebsd based Mac can't run for 300+ days. Most windows
boxes can't but that's because people run as admin and
install every stupid web toy they see.
\_ How much you paid for your windows or mac OS again? or you
pirated?
\_ Some came with systems so my effective cost is about $50.
Some were pirated.
\_ I had to run this command. Never had to do this before.
dpkg --update-avail /var/lib/apt/lists/http.us.debian.org_debian_\
dists_testing_main_binary-i386_Packages
Shouldnt' apt-get update do this? Any ideas what's broken? -op
\_ Hey, that's intuitive! Go linux! |
| 2003/11/17-18 [Computer/HW/Laptop, Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:11112 Activity:nil |
11/17 Audio engineering on the cheap: Mbox with ProTools vs. M-Audio
with Cubase or something else? What should I made sure to look
for in buying a laptop that can handle this? Will I need a
firewire drive? Is a Centrino better or worse for this?
\_ I can give you lots of advice. I do electronic music production
and I have records coming out. Send me email. --lye@csua
\_ dude, other people are interested. why not enlighten us masses
with a few pointers? -!op
\_ Are you considering a Mac too, or just PC? If you are considering
a Mac, I would advise against the Mbox. I personally don't see
any important differences between the major multi-track
sequencers -- go with whatever you feel comfortable with, unless
you *need* to run some particular plug-in format (e.g., TDM). But
the Mbox has notoriously bad drivers on the Mac, so i'd advise
against that. |
| 2003/11/13-14 [Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:11062 Activity:high |
11/13 I reinstalled OS X and that fixed my mouse problem. I installed Office
X and it seemed to be working ok. Yesterday it was printing random
characters but I rebooted and that problem went away. But today WordX
has crashed twice so far. This doesn't sound normal... what could
be causing this? Old hardware? Corrupt installation? --osx newbie
\_ What version, what hardware, clean install?
\_ G3, 10.2.x, I didn't wipe the machine clean.
\_ Install Windows 2000. I've never had such problems. I'm still
on the same install I did when win2k first came out.
\_ Yes? And how many patches have you installed?
\_ A *LOT* however the machine has never been super fucked
like this guy's Mac.
\_ I don't think that G3's support Win2k.
\_ Sorry, I forgot the rest of the followup: buy real hardware
and stop getting ripped off at http://apple.com where you pay more
for less.
\_ How about stop flaming? How old is the Mac vs. PC flame?
\_ It was never a war. The tiny battle that was was over
in the 80s. And it isn't a flame. It's real. Buy
real hardware that has real support and run real
software from a part of the computer world that has
more than a 3.5% market share and you'll pay less and
get more support if something does happen. This guy
has been posting about his problems for days and the
best anyone could come up with is to reinstall the
whole fucking OS from scratch. What a load of crap.
I'm a unix guy but I wouldn't use apple's bastard
child if you paid me. I tried it and got rid of it
before the server room melted from the sheer and
complete stupidity that apple inflicted upon the
world with yet another almost-but-not-quite unix.
\_ What is the UNIX (not Linux) market share?
\_ popularity does not correlate to quality
\_ I'll stop using my Apple when people stop driving
BMWs, Daimler Benzs, Ferraris, and every other car
with less than 5% market share.
\_ So you equate low market share with quality?
How about you tell that guy what was wrong with
his mouse and how to fix it without a full
reinstall? Apple = Mercedes? Dream on. A
computer has only one purpose: to compute. Duh.
An x86 will do more computing for less money.
The rest is bullshit, illusions, hype, and the
Steve Jobs unreality zone.
\_ don't get me wrong, i largely agree with you,
but you are aware that the quality of
mercedes has been going down ever since the
merger with chrysler, right? and if a
computer's only purpose is "to compute,"
does a car have any purpose beyond going
from one place to another? |
| 2003/11/11 [Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:29631 Activity:nil |
11/10 I just installed OS X on an old Mac for someone. The mouse used to work
but doesn't anymore. It does work if I use a boot CD to go into OS 9.
I'm not a Mac person and so I don't really know what to do or even
how to navigate without a mouse. Is this a common problem? Any advice?
\_ Ok, w/ control-F2 I got into System Prefs, Universal Access, but
I can't figure out how to tab over to "Mouse".
\_ Details? Which version of OS X? What model of mac? What kind
of mouse (usb?)? I had no problems installing Jaguar and
Panther on an old iMac (G3, 700Mhz). -meyers
\_ Details? Hey, wtf? I thought "Macs just work!"? This
sounds no better than windows or linux.
\_ It's worse than Linux, because Linux users are used to
having problems, so there is lots of information in
newsgroups. Here, you just have to hope that everything
just magically works the first time 'round.
\_ I think it's a G3 (green tower). Round USB mouse plugged into
keyboard (didn't work in the back either)... mouse worked during
OS X install and also in OS 9. Also, using keyboard, I got a
resource error when trying to load Classic. |
| 2003/11/7-8 [Computer/SW/OS/Windows, Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:10985 Activity:nil |
11/7 If you're looking for a good, monospaced programming font, check out
http://www.tobias-jung.de/seekingprofont . Mac, Windows, *nix.
\_ This is new. I didn't know there were font nerds.
\_ Consider yourself lucky. I knew a very hardcore font nerd in
highschool. his parents used to get him fonts for christmas.
no joke.
\_ Weird. He go into publishing or the nuthouse?
\_ Hey, a good font can make a day of coding *much* easier on the
eyes, reduce mistakes, etc.
\_ After looking at this, I still prefer Lucida Console on windows.
Less vertical space. |
| 2003/10/28-29 [Computer/SW/Unix/WindowManager, Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:10829 Activity:kinda low |
10/28 I've used PC&UNIX for most of my life and after trying to use the Macs
for only a week, I LOVE IT!!! Here's a question for you Mac users--
has anyone NOT like the Macs after trying them out?
\_ yes. i hated those fucking things from the day they came out
and apple abandoned their last decent line of computers
(the apple II). I hate the prices, I hate the interface, I hate
the look and feel of the desktop, I hate Steve Jobs, and I hate
the fanatical jerkoffs who seem to get off from telling
everyone else how great they think macs are. and yes, i have
been forced to use macs quite a bit at various times in the past.
\_ I don't know whether to hand you a tissue or a prozac.
\_ USE PC&UNIX! LOVE MAC!
\_ The buttons to close and minimize windows are in the wrong place
The mouse has ONLY ONE BUTTON!
\_ you can use a different mouse.
\_ Not with the laptops unless you don't mind the inconvenience
\_ I've only need a multi-button mouse for some FPS games, and
I can easily plug in my favorite trackball for those. I
starting using a mac about a year and a half ago and I can't
say I miss dealing with broken Windows or Unix boxes. -meyers
\_ hint: macosx is a unix box with a proprietary gui. what
unix boxes have you used? linux doesn't count.
\_ Since you asked: aix, hpux, solaris, freebsd, and linux.
I like Apple's UI, and apps that implement to it. Having
each app do it's own thing with the UI makes using it
a pain. -meyers
\_ So you prefer that application writers are forced to
write apps to whatever the OS says it should be like?
Without the ability to create and try new ways of
doing things we'll always have the same shitty 1985
era GUI forever. More colors, more pretty bells and
shiney whistles but still crap. And entire new kinds
of applications that don't fit that particular
highly arbitrary GUI model will never be created.
\_ Calm down there. I do more than open xterms to
other machines, so an fvwm-like window manager
just doesn't do what I want. What do you suggest,
the crappy microsoft interface? twm? bash? -meyers
\_ Yes. I once had to work on a whole lab full of G3s and G4s.
I found MacOS X to be sort of a unix, but sort of broken, like
waking up and you think you're in normal life, but really you've
entered the just-oh-so-slightly-reality-shifted dimension of
evil things. -John
\_ So what you're saying is that you didn't like the flavor of
Unix that came with the Mac. What did you think of the MacOS
experience itself? --erikred
\_ I went back to Mac after years on a PC. I like it, but its tough
in a PC-centric world. Software is hard to come by and things break
(e.g. web sites). I like a Mac, but only in *addition* to a PC.
\_ Yeah, I feel the same way about BeOS.
\_ expensive, fragile hardware, in-your-face GUI, stupid
Capitalization in the file system /Home/Users/ or something.
inefficient form factors. noisy. was the powerMAC G4 nicknamed
"windtunnel"? but even with all those issues, new Mac's are way
better than any PC running Microsoft Windows.
\_ Better? That's a funny word. Care to define what is 'better'
about it other than a religious anti-Microsoft mantra?
\_ the browser is standars-complaint, it has SSH and a real
command-line environment. The power management is great,
the networking is great, it's stable. you can login to
your computer remotely using ssh and actually do things.
There's ton's of free Open source software that runs on
OSX, Apple doesn't have "activation" spyware. |
| 2003/10/22-23 [Computer/HW/IO, Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:10743 Activity:nil |
10/22 Just bought a Mac but I REALLY want to use a PC keyboard. Are there
PC to Mac keyboard converters out there (PS2 to USB for example),
and which keys correspond to Option and the Open Apple keys?
\_ I think most MS Natural keyboards come with a PS2->USB dongle.
grab one from a friend.
\_ Only the MS Natural Keyboard Elite has the PS/2->USB adapter.
The fancier and more basic ones do not. The generic
PS/2->USB adapters for the most part suck.
\_ If you do this, don't you lose some of the apple key functions?
\_ The question implies that.
\_ /Applications/Utilities/Key Caps will tell you what keys do what.
If you need a key that isn't there, remap your keyboard.
\_ I've got a Sun Type 6 USB on my Mac - the Alt key is Option,
and the Diamond/Meta key is Apple/Command/Pretzel. -alan-
\_ Any USB keyboard should work fine. Why bother with PS2? -tom
\_ Because *the* PS2 keyboard is one of the best keyboards ever
made. It was forged by angels working directly under God. |
| 2003/10/3-5 [Computer/Rants, Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:10454 Activity:nil |
10/3 http://www.ucomics.com/foxtrot/2003/10/03 \_ Bill Amend released a patch: http://homepage.mac.com/billamend |
| 2003/8/27-28 [Recreation/Activities, Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:29487 Activity:low |
8/27 in osx my finder doesn't get a little triangle in the dock and I
can't tab to it and when i right click in the dock it says finder is
not running. If I kill the old Finder.app running it relaunches
the finder and the new one is found in the dock. Does anyone have
an idea what is going on?
\_ obUseRealOS. obGUIsNotForRealMen. obReboot.
\_ Finder is treated as a special "Application," so it is not supposed
to be on the dock. If you mess around enough, you can of course
defeat that rule. Is that what you want to know?
\_ no finder is ALWAYS on the dock and I can't remove it.
But having the finder not alt-tabable usless on the dock kinda
sucks. This happens every time I log on too. As I said,
restarting the finder by killing it makes it work fine.
\_ Call Apple. |
| 2003/8/22-23 [Computer/SW/OS/OsX, Computer/HW/Drives, Consumer/TV] UID:29437 Activity:nil |
8/22 Has anyone installed a DVR-105 in a Mac? Did you have to install
the firmware patch to get DVD-RW working? tia. |
| 2003/8/18 [Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:29379 Activity:nil |
8/18 Is there a command line or system function that returns whether
a Mac is using AC power or batter? Also, man 5 crontab on OS X says
that @AppleNotOnBattery will skip a cron job if it runs on battery
but it does not really work. Is this a bug with the man page or
with Darwin cron? |
| 2003/8/11-12 [Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:29312 Activity:high |
8/11 Mac OS X users: is there such thing as an "emulation mode" in OS X?
90% of the apps I use have Mac OS X versions. But what's keeping me
from pulling the trigger and buying an PowerBook is that 10%. I have
some legacy windows app that doesn't have OS X version. I'm wondering
if there is emulation software and how reliable is it? Thanks.
\_ are you talking MS Windows or os9? There are both. The
windows emulator costs money and supposedly runs kinda slowly on
in the 12 inch powerbook because the lack of l3 cache, but works
pretty damn good.
\_ VirtualPC is what you want.
\_ I just went through the connectix virtual pc docs. And all
I can say is HOT DAMN! No wonder microsoft bought the rights
to their software. If this really works, I'll be buying a 17"
powerbook soon and running virtual PC to keep all my old stuff
also running.
\_ out of curiosity what apps do you need that osX doesn't have?
\_ A lot of "viewer" programs out there are all windows only.
A couple that i use almost daily are efax viewer and winfax
viewer.
\_ aren't fax files a generic format? I'd be amazed if there
wasn't a mac app to do the same thing.
\_ fax files are almost certainly TIFF, which the Mac
should have no problems with.
\_ Join Us! Join The Dark Side! Enter The Reality Distortion Field!
\_ We just got a G4 few weeks ago for one of our office personnel, and
the machine came with both OS X and OS 9 installed, with OS 9
running in emulation mode. But that might not be the case for a
PowerBook. Doesn't hurt to check.
\_ yes, osx has an emulate os9 mode. |
| 2003/8/6-7 [Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:29255 Activity:nil |
8/6 About the email attachments yesterday: AppleSingle includes the
Data-Fork and the Resource-Fork in one file. This is not a
cross-platform-compatible way to send attachments. AppleDouble
splits the Data and Resource forks, and allows users on any
platform to get the data easily. also: " Macintosh documents do
not always need to be sent in a special format. Those documents
with well-known MIME types and non-existent or trivial resource
forks can be sent as regular MIME body parts, without use of
AppleSingle or AppleDouble." I don't know who determines which
files get this treatment. |
| 2003/8/4-5 [Science/Biology, Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:29231 Activity:very high |
8/3 http://objective.jesussave.us/propaganda.html \_how many times are you planning to post this? \_ How many times have you seen it on the motd? \_ this is the second. \_ Is this serious or a parody? \_ parody \_ It's not parody. It's the truth. \_ You can't handle the truth! \_ Qusay's childrn are humilited by this rights of Americans in Iraq space! \_ Can't we all just get along?? \_ Hey look, Mr. Perfect English is back! |
| 2003/7/23-24 [Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:29111 Activity:low |
7/22 http://homepage.mac.com/jmug/filechute/matrix.asf A low tech version of Matrix. I haven't seen the movie so I don't know why it's very funny (according to a friend). \_ It's matrix ping pong, done at some variety show. Everyone I've shown this to has laughed. I've seen it a dozen times and it still cracks me up. |
| 2003/7/14-16 [Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:29032 Activity:nil |
7/14 Is there now a proven way to archive HFS(+) volumes on OS X in an
open format? I have Retroexpress but it uses a proprietary format.
\_ Why not just copy the data out to something reasonable?
\_ You have a couple of options:
1. Use hdiutil to create a dmg and then use ditto to copy
the bits from the original hfs+ vol to the dmg. You can
then use hdiutil to change the image type or compress
the image, etc. While the dmg isn't exactly a open format,
hdiutil allows you to convert dmgs into other open formats
such as iso9660.
2. Use Toast to create an img of the volume. Toast can
save imgs in pretty much any open format.
3. There are extensions to gnu tar/cpio/pax that allow you
to archive the data and rsrc forks of forked hfs(+) files
in a platform independent manner (if you extract the
archive using a non-hfs(+) aware version of tar forked
files show up as two separate files, the data fork shows
up as the file and the rsrc fork shows up as a separate
file (one of: ._<fname>, ./AppleDouble/<fname>, fname.rsrc)
hfstar: http://www.metaobject.com/downloads/macos-x
hfspax: http://csua.org/u/3mh (homepage.mac.com) |
| 2003/7/9-10 [Computer/SW/Languages/Misc, Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:28976 Activity:insanely high |
7/8 Is there a utility to convert MS Word files to PDF from the command
line?
\_ Do you really need it from the command line or do you simply need a
batch convert (even though that may have a GUI frontend)?
\_ Here's my use case... a secretary needs to post meeting minutes
online. she can do "save as html" but that kind of sucks. so i
want to have a webpage that lets her upload the doc and then
auto-generate html and pdf (or just pdf) links on the site.
if you have a GUI way to do it, that's fine too (she uses a Mac,
i have a PC and UNIX, but no X on my UNIX server). thanks. -abe
\_ If she's using OS X, she can just print to PDF from the
print screen of any application. -chialea
\_ I'd just use OpenOffice 1.1 -- export to pdf.
anything with a doc with non-mS software won't always result in
correct output. If your secretary has a budget, and you want
\_ No X on your unix box?? Install it. It isn't that big.
\_ I don't *want* X and I definitely don't want OpenOffice.
\_ What's wrong with X? You some MacBigot?
\_ The inards/spec of the "Word" document are secret, so doing
tried an existing program "doc2html" but it makes even single
carriage returns into paragraph boundaries </p><p> That wouldn't
work for me, so I wrote a perl script to turn doc into xhtml,
but there is junk near and the beginning and end of the file
that I have to edit out by hand. Not elegant, but it works.
I'll send you my code, perhaps you can improve it. mail brett.
Microsoft does not "play welll with others".
\_ The inards/spec of the "Word" document are secret, so using
non-mS software won't always result in correct output. If your
secretary has a budget, and you want perfect output, she should
buy Adobe Acrobat, which comes with "Distiller". that will
allow her to "Print to PDF". Otherwise, she could print to a
postscript file, but that creates other issues with fonts and
pages and such. I have a similar task. I tried an existing
program "doc2html" but it didn't do quite what I wanted, so I
anything with a doc with non-mS software won't always totall do
things correctly. If your secretary has a budget, and you want
perfect output, she should buy Adobe Acrobat, which comes with
perhaps you can improve it. mail brett. Alternatively, you
could quote:
"Distiller". that will allow her to "Print to PDF". Otherwise,
\_ Is the Secretary running OS X? If so, she can select File->Print
then hit "Save as PDF..."
she could print to a postscript file, but that makes other
issues with fonts and pages and such. I have a similar task. I
tried an existing program "doc2html" but did't like it, so I
wrote a perl script to turn doc into xhtml, but there is junk
near and the beginning and end of the file that I have to edit
out by hand. Not elegant, but it works. I'll send you my code,
perhaps you can improve it. mail brett. Microsoft does not
"play welll with others".
http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
\_ If she has OSX, there's built-in export to PDF.
\_ I'm thinking about upgrading her to OS X... but I was wondering
if there were any UNIX equivalents...
\_ OS9: http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macos/126
\_ OSX *is* Unix.
\_ The Open Group does not agree with you.
\_ best results from print-to-file with postscript printer driver
from MS Word and then ps2pdf13 to distill it. |
| 2003/7/5 [Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:28934 Activity:nil |
2/12 Best ever Macintosh background (worksafe): link:csua.org/u/939 \_ how is this amusing? \_ That's quite amusing, lad. |
| 2003/6/24-26 [Computer/SW/OS/OsX, Computer/SW/OS/Solaris] UID:28828 Activity:high |
6/24 About Apple's 64-bit claim. Does Apple ship a 64-bit OS or does it
support running 64-bit applications right now?
\_ when the G5 ships with 'Smeagol' 10.2.7, it will support
G5-optimized apps and presumably 64-bit apps.
\_ If you look at the commits for darwin, it doesn't
look like the kernel/libc/userland have been updated
for 64-bit support. A select few apps might get 64
bit support, most apps will still be 32bit for the
next year or more.
\_ god, i hate apple. i wish Tolkein were alive to sue them,
and hated them as much as i do.
\_ For a code-name that isn't supposed to be public?
Don't hate the player, hate the game!
\_ Why not Carl Sagan (aka BHA) did it.
\_ can anyone hate them as much as you do, my precious?
\_ They're based in Cupertino, CA. Good enough reason for
me to like 'em, they pay CA taxes. Maybe you'd rather
live in Texas? Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
\_ The 970 is a 64-bit proc. OS X 10.2.x isn't 64-bit clean.
It looks like 10.2.7 and 10.3.x will be able to run 64-bit
apps but the kernel/libc/userland will probably not be 64-bit
clean till 10.4.x.
\_ In short: no. It's all promises with unknown future performance.
\_ Of course, it probably wasn't unexpected. Take a look at Sun's
example. The UltraSPARC I (Sun's first 64-bit CPU) came out
first in 1995 or so while Solaris 7, the first 64-bit Solaris
release, came out only in 1998 or so. |
| 2003/5/15 [Computer/SW/OS/OsX, Computer/HW/Drives] UID:28441 Activity:high |
5/14 Any ideas as to how to fix a firewire drive that won't mount?
It's a friend's mac, and I couldn't help him, so I'm just wondering if
it's a common problem.
\_ show it a few videos, and try turning the lights down. maybe
if the mac dresses up like a PC?
\_ I thought this was pretty funny, but you're still a jackass. -op
\_ I can live with that. -Jackass
\_ are you properly reading the instructions? There is a certain
order you connect things the first time around...
\_ apparently it's an existing drive that has worked for awhile
\_ Try kicking it, that sometimes works. Do you really expect
to solve your hardware problem on the motd? Hire a
technician.
\_ Is it by Maxtor?
\_ One known problem is that sometimes fw hd's that are put to
sleep aren't sent the awake command. Only way to fix this is
to shutdown the computer, unplug the drive, replug the drive
and then reboot.
In some cases, there are problems with bus powered drives
because the computer can't provide sufficient power over the
cable or there are too many devices plugged into the bus.
If the hd is bus powered, try switching to a standalone ps.
Also is the drive detected on the fw bus? You can check this with
Apple System Profiler by clicking on the Devices and Volumes
tab. In MacOSX ASP is /Applications/Utilites/Apple System Profiler.
In OS9 it should be in <Boot Hd>/Utilites/Apple System Profiler
or <Boot Hd>/Applications (Mac OS 9)/Utilites/Apple System Profiler.
If the drive isn't detected, turn it off, wait a few seconds,
turn it on and type CMD-R in the ASP window. If the drive is
detected at this point and it still won't mount, you will need
to use Disk Utility (OS X) or Disk First Aid and/or Drive Setup
(OS 9) to see if there are any problems with the fs on the drive.
If there are problems that Disk Utility or Disk First Aid can't
fix, you probably will need to get a copy of something like
Disk Warrior from Alsoft to fix the problems. |
| 2003/4/30-5/1 [Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:28272 Activity:moderate |
4/30 so what is the opinion on apple's new service? is the motd silent bc
it is just apple media buzz or are sodans not big mac users?
\_ a sodan slaved away 10 hours a day for the last 3 months
on the software side.
\_ Many Sodans died to bring us this this information. -Mon Smegma
\_ Many Sodans died to bring us this this information. -Mon Partha
\_ and one just really wanted to be a part of it. |
| 2003/3/16-17 [Computer/SW/RevisionControl, Computer/SW/Unix, Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:27716 Activity:low |
3/16 I wrote a (trivial) program that converts between line termination
of PC or Mac and Unix. I want to to use this program with CVS so
that the repository sees a file with the unix convention although
the checked out copy always use some other convention. How can I
do it automatically and transparently for files with certain
extensions? Ok tnx.
\-emacs hooks. ok bye.
\_ I'm pretty new to cvs, but i think what you want to do is
cvs co CVSROOT, edit the cvswrappers file and put something
like,:
*.[tT][xX][tT] -t /path/to/yourprogram
*.[sS][tT] -t /bin/to/yourprogram
... |
| 2003/3/6-8 [Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:27608 Activity:low |
3/6 Do people also find the Mail program that comes with OS X is buggy in
it search function? It just doesn't work much of the time.
\_ No, but my cat does.
\_ Why are you using OS X? It's an ugly GUI on top of unix. Just
install *BSD and put whatever gui you want on it and use cheaper
intel hardware. |
| 2003/2/28-3/2 [Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:27572 Activity:high |
2/28 Is it a bad thing to have more than 15 partitions (counting everything
such as drivers, free space etc) on a hard drive? The system is
OS X, possibly coexisting with linuxppc, if that matters.
\_ if every partition is as large as you will need it to be for the
life of the disk, it's not a bad thing.
Do you believe that's true? -tom
\_ That is different level of badness from what I am worried about.
Some places (man page for pdisk) says there are bugs in the
Some place (man page for pdisk) says there are bugs in the
else where this is documented. However I just got a kernel
panic for unknown reason.
kernel that can't deal with > 15 partitions but I see nowhere
else where this is documented and it might be archaic (MkLinux).
However I just got a kernel panic for unknown reason.
\_ Why don't you play it safe and stay at 14 partitions?
\_ What does one need with 14 partitions? mkdir.
\_ Mount options can only be enabled on mount points,
not on subdirectories.
\_ you're being silly.
\_ and a mount point is what? a subdirectory....
\_ You can only set nodev, nosuid on partitions
mounted on a particular directory. If you
want to run some process in a chroot env,
if the fake root isn't a separate volume
you would have to disable things like nosuid
on the whole volume that the fake root dir
located on.
\_ ok, you now have a (fairly specious)
reason to have two partitions. What
possible reason is there for the other
13?
\_ I meant (and said) "physical" partitions, which include
partition map, drivers etc. On a Mac hard drive, just 7
volumes will take you to 16 partitions, somtimes 18. Any
way yes I can just mkdir. Note that there are at least 3
types of diff. fs and os on a mac/ppc system, not counting
the virtual pc, and that's some motivation to have a large
number of partitions on a large disk.
\_ no it's not. |
| 2003/2/19 [Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:27456 Activity:high |
2/18 What is the command that does low level (media) verification of a
disk?
\_ fsck
\_ Doesn't fsck check the consistency of filesystem only? I want
\_ format
to check the consistency of the raw media, or at most one
level up, the sectors.
\_ I posted the answer earlier but some fuckup deleted it: format
The unix format command will verify raw media in both a
destructive and non-destructive way. And to whichever of you
stupid ignorant know-nothing assholes deleted my reply
because you didn't know the right answer when shoved in front
of your face, I give you a simple obFuckyou.
\_ Thanks for your answer and I did not remove it, but
I did indicate that no such command exists in OS X, not
yet. That line was erased too. There is a program in
OS 9 and before that does it: Drive Setup but that feature
is no where to be found in OS X. -- op
\_ What OS?
\_ OS X |
| 2003/2/16-17 [Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:27431 Activity:kinda low |
2/15 I have three computers at home, all running some *nix (2 OS X + linux
if this matters). I would like them to have the same basic system
config. and user accounts for members of my family and friends. How
do I automate this? I know this is a very basic sys admin job but
I am just a home user and do want to spend too much time learning or
doing things to become a home sys admin of sort or buying extra
software.
\_ nis
\_ Is nis compatiable with the netinfo stuff in OS X?
\_ I'm not an apple maven but they claim it is.
\_ Depends on the version of OS X. 10.1 and earlier
included some NIS stuff that you could use to
some basic stuff running. 10.2 seems to have
removed/broken some of this stuff. For 10.2
you could use Kerberos or LDAP. Here are some
some (possibly) relevant/helpful URLs:
General OS X Auth:
http://clc.its.psu.edu/Labs/Mac/Help/authdoc
NIS and OS X:
http://www.bresink.de/osx/nis.html
LDAP and OS X:
http://www.usit.uio.no/it/mac/ldap/english/ldap.html
Kerberos and OS X:
http://www-personal.umich.edu/~arosenbl/kerb102.html
http://www.public.iastate.edu/~macosx/macosx.html
Note if you are unwilling to play around with this
stuff for a weekend or so, your best bet is to do
the following:
1. Create local users with the same username, password,
uid and gid on all of the machines. To make this
really easy, start on one of the MacOS X machines
and then create the users in the same order on the
other MacOS X machine (they should all end up with
the same uid/gid). Finally run adduser on your linux
box with the info from MacOS X.
2. Figure out which machine is going to serve the home
directories via NFS. The Linux machine is probably
going to be the easiest to configure as a NFS server.
3. Configure the other boxes as NFS clients.
Here is some info about MacOS X and NFS:
http://deaddog.duch.udel.edu/~frey/darwin/archive/DarwinAndNFS.pdf
\_ if what you say is true, then you don't want to spend anymore
time on trying to do this. Maybe you can do it for the Mac but
forget trying to have anything beyond the same local login/password
between Linux/OSX. Don't waste so much of your time.
\_ NFS mounts of home directories on OS X works
pretty well. So you could get the same files
on OS X and Linux.
\_ You are correct but miss the point. There is much
more involved. Long-term support and effort is an
issue, not whether NFS works. Think about the files
and also more thanthe files. |
| 2003/1/30-31 [Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:27246 Activity:nil |
1/30 I have PDF files with nonembedded PS fonts (CM* etc.) and I do
have the fonts installed but the acroread on my OS X cannot find
and display them. They are installed in the classics font folder.
I have tried to link them from osx's font folders and tried pfb
formats also, all to no avail. What is the solution? Ok tnx.
\_ apparently there isn't one. |
| 2003/1/27-28 [Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:27216 Activity:high |
1/27 macheads: where is a good place to get mac service in the east bay?
hard drive is not happy and needs restoration. -brain
\- Restoration Hardware --psb
\_ :-)
\_ in the peninsula, there is one in Palo Alto near the Fry's
Electronics there.
\_ I never used it but I think there is one right across the
street from the Apple campus in Cupertino. Ages ago I got
the power supply of a mac replaced at the university's computer
repair service. They may not exist any more. I thought they
were lame.
\_ Elite Computers (the place across the street from
Apple) is one of the most unfriendly and expensive
places I have ever had the misfortune of dealing
with. They are at least 10x worse than ComputerWare
(the place across from the old Fry's on Lawrence
Exp.) You'd be better off sending your Mac to Dell
than to let Elite get their hands on it.
\_ What kind of Mac is it? If its a G3 or newer, your best bet
is the Apple Store (I think that there is one in Emeryville).
Does your Mac still boot? If so, your cheapest option is to
just buy a new HD and do a fresh OS install and copy over
the files you care about. Other things to try might be running
Norton (don't try this on OS X disks) or DiskWarrior. |
| 2003/1/9-10 [Computer/SW/Editors, Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD, Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:27039 Activity:high |
1/9 Is there a program that keeps diary? I know any text editor would
suffice but I would something which has a nice way of letting me
go to a particular day's entry etc.
\_ ED! ED is the STANDARD diary editor!
\_ Dunno about windows, but for FreeBSD/linux there's a gtk app
that does something like this, and can publish to a weblog too.
The name escapes me, but you can find it in the misc directory
of the ports tree.
\_ It would take you about 5 mins to write such a progam in c
\_ It would take you about 5 mins to write such a program in c
or perl.
\_ There are so many things you could do yourself....
\_ i have noticed that not every member of the csua can code.
i believe this is by design.
\_ so there's always someone around to mock?
\_ I like MacJournal for OS X.
\_ Thanks. What about something that does flowcharts?
\_ OmniGaffle is supposed to be pretty good, but
its not free. |
| 2003/1/8-9 [Computer/SW/OS/Windows, Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:27030 Activity:very high |
1/8 I'm really tempted to buy a powerbook. The design and the OS is
what I like. But I'm worried about the small things. I know that
there's MS office, so no problem there. But what about:
1. sharing info on floppy with a PC?
\_ get a USB disk drive.
2. ability to use network printers with winNT print servers?
\_ NT supports mac clients if your IT staff can figure it out
3. some basic interop with winNT domains?
\_ A1. use Samba/NFS/AFP, or record a CD-R.
A2/A3. install Services for Macintosh onto the NT server.
lots of info at http://www.macwindows.com/jaguar.html
\_ I use a powerbook at work in a Windows environment, and have
had zero trouble printing to networked printers or accessing
NT shares. If you really need a floppy drive, just get a USB
one.
\_ if you are so concerned about 4 PC functions, then why not get
a damn PC. But PB don't have floppy drives. And Why
would you when you have UNIX and nfs and samba and everything.
\_ I have access to high end laser printers (color and BW) at work.
I regularly print personal stuff. What if I need to bring in
the powerbook to print something? I may not be able to email
the files to a PC and print because of the lack of specific
application.
\_ OS X allows you print to a PDF from any application.
\_ high-end printers support appletalk. Don't worry, OS X
has the unix and pc-interoperability. Also, i was wrong,
the PB has an external floppy drive option.
\_ Sneakernet. --dim |
| 2002/12/10-12 [Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:26781 Activity:high |
12/10 What program do you use to backup your *nix system at home? Needs to
be compatible with OS X.
\_ If you have another box somewhere you can use as a backup server,
use rsync. -John
\_ rsync doesn't handle hfs+ files by default.
\_ dump
\_ Does 10.2's dump work properly with resource forks? The
version of dump in older versions had problems.
\_ I dd my /etc/* to another disk. The rest is crap.
\_ OS X doesn't use /etc for most of its configs. You
need to grab the netinfo stuff from /var.
\_ The only effective soln for OS X that I've seen is something
called Carbon Copy Cloner:
http://www.bombich.com/software/ccc.html
You could try the hacked version of cp that apple includes
in the dev tools or a version of gnu tar that is hfs+ aware
(search on google for it). If you have trouble with the hfs+
patch, I can roll you a binary.
\_ The original question was modified to say it's OSX. If I had an
OSX system I wouldn't backup anything. It'd all be crap.
\_ Thanks for the answers. It is surprising that people notice this
tiny question in between huge threads. I have just located hfstar
and hfspax on the net. I still want to know if there is a one stop
solution for backuping to CD-R(W), or I just have to tar it then
burn it to CD.
\_ CCC (mentioned above) will be easier to use than hfspax
and hfstar. Just use disk util to make a dmg and use
CCC to back up to that dmg, then you can use apple
script to have the finder (or toast) burn a cd for you.
\_ Retrospect. I don't know of a free one that handles HFS+
files properly. -tom
\_ You might find the Distributed Internet Backup System (DIBS)
interesting. DIBS lets you backup your data by sending it
to other people on the Internet (and in return you backup
their data). For more details, see
~emin/public_html/source_code/dibs/index.html. -emin
\_ http://oceanstore.cs.berkeley.edu |
| 2002/10/5-6 [Computer/SW/OS/OsX, Computer/Companies/Apple] UID:26108 Activity:high |
10/5 It's all about the Woz, kids. Just keep the Woz in mind and you'll
be ok. http://www.brianhennessy.ch/woz.htm
\_ that rules. it's all been downhill since the Apple IIc.
I fucking hated the IIgs and knew apple was doomed when I saw
that evil mac-loving piece of shit.
\_ what was wrong with the IIgs??? I loved that thing... it
was the first hard-drive I ever used.
\_ I guess it's just personal. the computer teacher at my
junior high was obsesesd with that thing, and i hated
him deeply. he was also obscessed with the mac, which
i still hate.
\_ displacement, anyone? maybe you should call him. Deal
with these feelings you're having... |
| 2002/9/26-27 [Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:26016 Activity:high |
9/26 What is the name of the unix program that convert line ending between
ISO/unix, VAX/CMS/mac, and PC/Win?? ?
\_ perl
\_ java
\_ what is the line end format on vax/cms/mac?
\_ carriage return only.
\_ dos2unix and unix2dos for uh dos2unix and unix2dos :-) I have no
idea for the others.
\- emacs has a number of modes for this. --psb |
| 2002/9/2-4 [Computer/HW/CPU, Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:25755 Activity:high |
9/2 Is there a free X-server for M$-Windows?
\_ Try XFree86 for cygwin.
\_ cygwin is really slow on my pentium 133. Will X be slow too?
I know, it's time to get a new computer, but I'm waiting to
see what happens with osX.
\_ Um, what's *not* gonna be slow on a p133?
\_ windows 95 and Linux-XFree86 3.3.6, which brings up
another question: what ways are there to speed up
Xfree86 4.2.0?
\_ You're going to be waiting a long time for x86/osx if that's
what you're looking for. You'll still be forced to buy
over priced apple hardware to run it.
\_ I'm not waiting for x86/osx. Apple wants control
of everything. It won't happen. I'm waiting to
see if Apple improves Aqua. to the point of it not
making me puke.
\_ Uhm, if its puke now, what are the odds they're
going to change it so radically you'll suddenly
love a refit version with some bug fixes and extra
"we love steve!" subliminals in the icons?
\_ XManager. not free, but low cost. still works for "free" even
after the trial period.
\_ not a direct answer to your question... but on http://berkeley.edu you
should be able to download Exceed for free... check
http://depot.berkeley.edu
\_ only if you have a calnet id
\_ a what? -alum
\_ Micro-Images X-server $25 http://www.microimages.com/mix free for mac |
| 2002/9/2-4 [Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:25753 Activity:kinda low |
9/2 what's a good ripper+mp3 encoder for macos (not os x) ?
I am unhappy with how iTunes shortens track names.
\_ macos (not os x) has a limit of 32 character filenames.
are you sure it's a problem with iTunes?
\_ MacOS<x sucks ass.
\_ Try Audion from http://panic.com. -=Aubie |
| 2002/8/9-11 [Computer/SW/Languages, Computer/SW/Languages/Misc, Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:25526 Activity:kinda low |
8/9 Sometimes I can print a regular ps file and get the desired output,
but when I converted it to pdf, the result does not look nice on
screen. Does this mean it uses certain fonts available on the
laser printer but not on my machine? How do I get the right fonts
if this is the problem?
\_ What software are you using to convert to PDF?
\_ ps2pdf on *nix and distiller on mac. Both have this problems.
\_ What are you trying to do (i.e. how did you create your PS? LaTeX?)
The usual problem is that you embed Type 3 fonts in your PS
file. Type 3 is bitmapped. You need to embed Type 1 instead.
Are you using dvips?
http://www.tex.ac.uk/cgi-bin/texfaq2html?label=pkfix |
| 2002/8/5 [Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:25495 Activity:high |
8/4 Should I be worried if my @HOME gateway changes mac addresses?
\_ The firewall on your end or on theirs? If it's theirs it's
likely just a hardware upgrade.
\_ Their end. It happens every time I boot up. I connect,
and the gateway changes mac addresses right after. Just
about every time. And from one particular MAC addr
to another...Like someone was sniffing DHCP traffic,
waiting for someone to connect, and then inserting themself
as my gateway.
\_ @home is still around?
\_ err sorry attbi |
| 2002/8/2-4 [Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:25483 Activity:moderate |
8/2 When I use X from window (Exceed) and mac (DarwinX) and try to
move or resize window, the window frame does not appear, so I
don't have a visual feel where I am moving or resizing to. Any
cure?
\_ Your background might be the same color as the resize lines;
try 'xsetroot -solid darkgreen' (for example) and see if that
works. I don't have this problem with DarwinX on OSX. -meyers
\_ No such problem with Exceed on NT or W2k either. --- yuen
\_ In DarwinX I am using Xrootless so xsetroot does not help.
At work I am using win95 and I will go back to check if it
helps on Monday. I doubt it will, because the root window
has the same color for exceed as on the sun host console,
but I don't have this problem when I log on the console.
\_ Get a real computer.
\_ Provide some real feedback.
\_ D00de! U N0 h3 ment 1nuks!!!11
\_ If you want resize frames, you will want a root window. |
| 2002/8/2-3 [Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:25478 Activity:moderate |
8/2 I'm trying out Mac OS X and so far it's pretty good. I really
miss being able to raise and lower windows with key combinations.
If someone could point me to instructions for how to do this and
how to do other window manager customizations supported by
fvwm, AfterStep, GNOME, etc., I would be grateful. Thanks.
\_ RTFM
\_ WFM (which f**k*ng manual)?
\_ uh... man fvwm. And we're all adults here. just say "fucking"
or "fine". bleeping yourself is dumb.
\_ run twm! ~scotsman/.twmrc
\_ But that won't work for OS X apps will it?
\_ Jaguar, Aug 24. Command-Tab, Command-H
\_ I'm sorry, I don't understand your reply.
\_ And you call yourself a Mac user? I haven't touched a Mac
since 1986 or so and I know exactly what he's talking about.
\_ i assume you want this for Mac apps (Carbon or native Cocoa),
rather than X11 apps under DarwinX. most apps support these
"organic" window operations:
- cmd-H for hide all
- cmd-` for next window
you can use (shift)-cmd-tab for (prev) next app, add option
to hide the current window or current app when switching.
OS 10.2/Jaguar may expose additional Window Manager APIs for
more traditional/mechanical window operations. |
| 2002/7/1-2 [Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:25254 Activity:high |
7/1 What's your impression of the quality of Apple engineering? My
wife asked me this question and the best answer I had was, "well,
it's, uh, complicated." Before OS X came out, Apple had reputation
for innovation but not for delivering products in a timely manner.
Now that OS X is out, it seems that they're being taken a bit more
seriously.
\_ Apple used to do very interesting R&D, but had a serious case
of the "not-invented-here" syndrome. under OS X, Apple is more
able and more willing to leverage standards. however, they are
also now more focused on Product Development rather than
pie-in-the-sky research.
so yes, it's complicated. -- long-time Apple user.
so yes, it's complicated. -- long-time Apple loser.
\_ Apple UI was always a step ahead (of microsoft, etc) but their
actual underlying technology has always sucked. Think cooperative
multi tasking. Think finder. Think different.
\_ Engineering? Hardware or software? OS or BIOS or apps? Product
design or board or ASIC? Apple product design is acknowledged to
be tops. Board guys are board guys, but pc motherboards aren't
stressful board designs anyway. I always thought they had pretty
wimpy chip teams (even when I was a chip guy there). I thought
Apple had ok OS types (considering the baggage they had to carry),
but the BIOS was pure black magic, and no one at Apple fully
understood it even 8 years ago.
\_ One more comment... I noticed that the mass unwashed tends to
equate innovation with product design. In that case, Apple
has a reputation for innovation. I wouldn't say that Apple
has a strong reputation for doing exciting engineering in
other areas.
\_ exciting or quality? IMO there's a big difference.
\_ You know, apple invented pc, gui, mouse, laser printer, ethernet,
combustible computing, pda, risc, the concept of proprietary
software and look&feel, lawsuits, cloning, and now "the most
advanced OS ever."
\_ Apple did NOT invent the mouse. The mouse was invented at SRI.
I saw the first mouse on display there when I interviewed.
Combustible computing, on the other hand...
-- ilyas |
| 2002/7/1 [Science/Biology, Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:25247 Activity:high |
6/28 Should I install apple's open-darwin or gnu's gnu-darwin?
\_ What do you want to do? Why do you want to install darwin
instead of Mac OS X? --twohey
\_ to annoy you. |
| 2002/6/15-17 [Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:25107 Activity:nil |
6/15 What, if any, free and/or open source PERSONAL information organizer
do people use and prefer? (On *nix, Mac, and/or PC) I don't care
for collaboration but good searching, synchronization and multi-
platform support are important. It's ok even if it is text/terminal
based.
\_ I Haven't found one yet that can sync nicely with my Clie (palm.)
The Xwindows Pilot toys I've found work okay if you don't mind
a bit of knob-dicking around at first, but I gave up on synching
the thing to my laptop (FreeBSD) because all the file conduits
to other applications are lacking under *nix. Even if you don't
have a PDA, some of the Unix Pilot software works decently
as an organizer. TBH I've never bothered with address books
in any of my mail readers (mozilla, mutt.) -John |
| 2002/6/13-14 [Academia/Berkeley/Classes, Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:25088 Activity:very high |
6/12 Text of Mr. Rogers' Darthmouth speech: http://forums.macnn.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=45;t=006226 \_ Too long and too low S/N ratio; I actually like Moseley's speech better. \_ Those fuckers were undeserving. He should stop giving speeches to whining little twits like them. I would've much preferred Mr. Rogers to the nobody we had my year. \_ Mr. Rogers is a communist: http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3a39994a336e.htm \_ Here we go with the mindless URL generators again. \_ How did he forget Kevin Spacey? \_ This is a joke right? \_ Nope. It's off http://freerepublic.com; it MUST be true. \_ If you bothered to read the comments, the other freepers make it very clear the list is bogus. But of course you didn't even load the url much less read the list there. I'll bet you didn't even know it was pointing to a list. \_ I dunno, I saw a number of freepers making it clear that they "enjoyed" and "appreciated" the list. |
| 2002/6/8-10 [Computer/SW/Editors/Emacs, Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:25040 Activity:high 54%like:25909 |
6/9 what's a good place to donate used computer equipments?
\_ http://ls.berkeley.edu/computing/donating.html -tom
\_ removed <> so that w3-follow-url-at-point works
\_ no there isn't.
properly - #1 emacs fan
\_ Replaced <> as per RFC 1738. Fix emacs. -tom
\_ There was a story on /. about this, maybe 1 mo. ago. -pld
\_ no there isn't. <-- I didn't say is; I said was. -pld
\_ how used? give it to me!
\_ I fucked your mom on it about 24 years ago. Benny? Is that you?
\_ Dad? Dad, is that you? OH MY GOD! DADDY! You have any idea
how much child support you owe Mommy? Hope you're rich! -Ben |
| 2002/5/16-17 [Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:24849 Activity:nil |
5/15 OS X users -- for installing unix utilities, do you use fink
or just grab the source and do the make install dance (and why)?
\_ I don't use fink, it seems too linux-ish for my tastes.
I prefer the ./configure make install method, but I've
got some wrapper Makefile a la /usr/ports that take care
of all the nitty gritty details. My only problem is with
lack of good packing tools for OS X.
\_ I don't use ports, since ports has historically been broken.
\_ bullshit, ports is the *best* method of trying to make a
bunch of 3rd party software work with your system.
\_ ilyas would disagree.
\_ Hi paolo!
\_ I don't use anything that jkh hasn't written himself personally. |
| 2002/5/15 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers, Computer/SW/Unix, Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:24837 Activity:insanely high |
5/15 My boss wants me to track what websites a user visits. The user is
smart enough to delete their history every time they log out (tweakui?)
Any recommendations for UNIX/NT software to do this?
\_ You can use a network snooper but I question what will be
accomplish by tracking what websites your own workers visit.
\_ There could be the case of the person visiting inappropriate
sites. However, in this case, the person (a secretary) tells
everyone that she has way too much work to do, but all the other
secretaries say that she just surfs the web all day.
\_ When installing a network snooper, where do you put it? Doesn't
it depend on whether the user is connected to a switch or a hub?
\_ Yes a snooper won't work on a switched lan. A alternate soln.
if you don't want use a caching proxy is to have your fw log
all outbound http and ftp requests and then translate that to
web sites. The problem with this is that you won't be able
to catch request made to services like anonymizer.
\_ Set up a caching proxy (eg. squid) and run it in transparent
mode (your fw/router redirects port 80, 21, etc to the cache)
and turn on max logging. You need to use transparent mode so
that your users can't circumvent the cache and screw up your
information gathering.
Use perl to grok the cache's log files and generate a list of
urls (or sites) per ip. Now use the dhcp server's log files to
map IP to NIC and therefore to individual client systems and
users (I'm assuming that most of your clients are mac/win boxes
and have only one user). This should give you all the information
you need and more.
\_ Thanks! We have a cache (Symantec i-gear), but the user wasn't
using it. I'll investigate how to get our router (no firewall)
to forward requests.
\_ One possible way is the set up the dhcp server to specify
the cache as the default router for the mac in question.
Then you setup the cache to re-route all traffic (except
for http traffic, which it handles) to the real rotuer.
\_ currently, we're still on static ip's/routes, but that's
something i'll look into
\_ If she is not smart enough to also clear the disk cache, you can go
to the cache directories and look at the content. E.g. on NT,
However, I think a better solution is to just keep track of her
%USERPROFILE%\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5\ for IE and
%SystemDrive%\Program Files\Netscape\Users\%USERNAME%\Cache\ for
Netscape; for Unix, ~/.netscape/cache for Netscape. You might not
know which URLs she visited, but at least you can see the content
of the pages. Note that for IE some of the dirs and files are
marked hidden or system, so you have to do "dir /a" to see them.
However, I think the better solution is to just keep track of her
activity at the proxy server.
\_ Be careful of what you and your boss are doing. Unless it's
in your company policy, you shouldn't do this. Your coworkers
can sue the company for this tactic.
can sue the company for this tactic. If you're going to do this
you better adopt a policy for this and have everyone in the company
be aware of and agreeable to it.
\_ Double check with your company's specific policy, but at
most places the company owns the machine and all files on it
if it is a work machine, and the company is allowed to
access it whenever it wants.
\_ if your company is going to do that, make sure it's in the
policy. "Company owns everything" is too vague. A good
lawyer will defeat that. You can not do it in way it single
out an individual or in anyway showing bias.
\- if the person you are trying to track is stupid, you can
use dug song's software ... that will basically sniff the
net, extract the urls and feed them to a netscape you run
so you more or less can watch the secretary "over his/her
shoulder". however really you probably want timestamped
logs, in which case just get tcpdump the port 80 traffic.
getting the urls in addition to dst addr is a little more
work but pretty simple. BRO can do this. --psb |
| 2002/5/3-5 [Computer/SW/OS/Windows, Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:24694 Activity:kinda low |
5/3 Anyone know about 4-pin/6-pin Firewire? I wanna get an iPod, but
have a Sony Vaio with a 4-pin Firewire port. Should a 4-pin to 6-pin
plug be enough to get this to connect? (In addition to any extra
software I need to get of course.) - rory
\_ Yes. Infact the iPod should come with that adapter.
\_ Really? That'd be great if the adapter was even included,
but my understanding was that all the macs had the 6-pin
ports and Apple not was putting any effort into supporting
non-mac usage of the iPod. url? Thanks.
\_ I thought that the new iBook had the smaller port, but
it turns out I was wrong. Anyway, I asked a friend of
mine here at work who has a iPod and he has been using
it with his vaio at home with just the 4 pin to 6 pin
cable and xpod or some such software.
\_ Great! That's just what I wanted to hear... thanks!
... and if you ever find out the exact software he
is using, please post or email. I am looking at a
couple different programs right now-- some free, some
not.
\_ The guy at work uses XPlay:
http://www.media4.com/products/xplay
\_ the only difference between 4- and 6-pin firewire is that 6-pin
carries power on the extra two pins. If you have a device that
can be powered externally, then you should be able to go from 6- to
4- with no problem. |
| 2002/4/14-15 [Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:24439 Activity:insanely high |
4/14 iBook w/OS X vs. laptop w/Linux
Which one to get? {Adv,Dis}advantages to each?
\_ My $0.2: Printer drivers do not seem to be as well or as broadly
\_ http://www4.macnn.com/macnn/articles/unixad.jpg
\_ My $0.02: Printer drivers do not seem to be as well or as broadly
supported by HP for Macs as they are for PCs. If your job involves
needing to use a wide variety of HP plotters and such (as mine does)
\_ FYI, it's "my two cents" ($.02), not 20 cents ($0.2)
\_ maybe he was giving us 10X the usual advice.
no Mac is worth the last-minute stress from finding you can't
plot your stuff. -- ulysses
\_ iBook and OS X:
+ superior industrial and usability design
+ things that just work out of the box:
power management, printing, DVD, CD-RW, 801.11b, BlueTooth, ...
+ Apple's integration ability between hardware and software:
iTunes, iMovie, iDVD, iPhoto
+ 5-6 hours of real-world battery life
- not a speed demon for 3D games (get a video game console)
- open source stops at the Darwin (kernel and BSD system) level
- iBook has VGA out, but limited to video-mirroring the LCD only
-- jwang
\_ 95% of all your favorite windows apps (Quicktime, office, explorer,
etc) are or will be available on OS X. On the other hand, one
annoying thing about OS X is that it still feels noticeably slower
compared to Linux or Windows.
\_ Yeah it feels slower, but what I've noticed is that I can
get more coding done while using a OS X system than a linux
system. I don't waste time compiling this that or the other
thing to get my system working. Everything is already there
and preconfigured properly.
\_ The iBook's design is orders of magnitude ahead of anything in
the PC world. But bang for buck, it can't compare. Depends
what your needs are. If you get one, I'd go for the 12" rather
than the 14" screen--the 14" screen is bulkier and has the same
max resolution as the 12". -tom
\_ The design? How so? All laptops from all makers are simply
squishing as much hardware into as small a space as possible
with weight and battery life a secondary issue these days. They
all look like computer "bricks" to me in the store.
\_ Have you looked at an iBook? The port layout, the hinge
mechanism, the little touches like the battery power
indicator lights and the lighted power plug, all point
to real thought being put into design, unlike the rest of
the bricks out there. Dell's idea of "design" is "molded
plastic" and "not quite entirely black!" -tom
\_ It's a brick with a different logo on it. I don't pay
extra for logos.
\_ I disagree. I think quality is important for
notebooks since parts are not easily replaced.
That's why people go for Thinkpads instead of say
Twinhead.
\_ There are 4 pound bricks and there are 7 pound bricks.
ibook is actually cheap for its weight class.
For example, compare it to the thinkpad X series.
\_ This is what I hate about Mac OS/X. By using Darwin/whatever
instead of X it manages to remove much appeal of a *nix OS
(speed, open source, and lost free software with GUI). Right
now it is at the same time the worst Mac OS and the worst *nix
ever. Bill Gates must be glad.
\_ Exactly how stupid are you? You can run X on Mac OS X if you
care about it. The vast majority of Macintosh owners--that
is, the customer base--has no interest in running gmines,
or whatever it is you think the killer X app is. -tom
\_ no, that implementation is inferior.
\_ XonX is inferior? To what? It is XFree86 4.2. If
XonX is inferior, then X on Linux must be inferior
as well.
\_ of course. RTFM.
\_ I think it's funny to read all the /. kids saying how much X11
sucks and never had a reason for being and replacing it should
be the open source community's highest priority. --love X11
\_ iBook's video hardware is rather slow on OS X. I'd
wait for something with an nVidia chipset instead of
the archaic ATI Rage.
\_ Doesn't the iBook have Radeon Mobility?
\_ But, if you need battery life, the 14.1 inch iBook has it.
\_ iBook runs Debian GNU/Linux. Nicely at that. Check out
<DEAD>www.oreilly.com's<DEAD> Apple section for an article with links to step
by step "How to run Debian on an iBook". Get the iBook, run OS X.
If it doesn't suit your needs, wipe the disk and run linux. -dans
\_ LinuxPPC is a awful. Its is slow, cumbersome, and poorly
supported. Most linux open source pgms won't compile and run
properly, and good luck trying to find a Kernel that will
work reliably. The only decent browser is a broken Netscape
4.7.x, so forget web browsing without MOL (MacOnLinux).
Stick to OS X. It is a decent OS that you can use to actually
accomplish some work. - former Linux (x86 and PPC) user |
| 2002/3/1 [Consumer/Audio, Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:24008 Activity:nil |
3/01 Have iPod, will Shoplift:
http://www.wired.com/news/mac/0,2125,50688,00.html
\_ Wired is a pack of idiots. (This is not news). Firewire hard
drives have been available for years. -tom
\_ FW HDs in the form factor of the iPod have not been
available for "years". If you walk in with a 5 1/4"
enclosure or even one of those "portable" drives
under your jacket people are going to notice. But if
you walk in with a iPod (walkman sized) its a whole
different story.
\_ we have a VST firewire hard drive, purchased at least
two years ago, that's maybe 20% bigger than the iPod. -tom |
| 2002/2/22-23 [Computer/SW/Unix, Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:23952 Activity:moderate |
2/22 I want to access a networded printer from OSX. I can access it
from a regular unix computer but somehow it is not showing up in
AppleTalk listing and I cannot change its setup. How do I find
its IP and print through that? Ok tnx.
\_ Walk to the printer and press some buttons to print out a server
config page? If there's one, it should show the printer's IP
address.
\_ Your unix workstations will also know.
\_ I tried and the hp LaserJet 2200 just printed some advertisement
for itself. How do I find the IP from the unix workstation?
\_ try looking in /etc/printcap
\_ /etc/printcap might use an IP or a DNS name. You can nslookup
the dns if need be. OP is drifting into RTFM area now....
[dont reindent this. its where I meant it to be] |
| 2002/2/12 [Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:23840 Activity:high |
2/11 In ifconfig, what is broadcast? Is that only for multicast? Is it
always X.Y.Z.255? Also what is NOTRAILERS? It's not on the f manpage.
\_ No, the broadcast address is for .. broadcasts on the same subnet.
You address hosts by a broadcast address when you need to contact
all of them on the same subnet, for example when looking up
MAC address for a host that you need to contact.
\- "trailers" is a link level concept that isnt really ised by
anyone today. both endpoints need to advertise this to use it
and since no one does, you shouldnt advertise it. although in
practice since it is extinct, i dunno if anything will happen
if you leave it on. would have to look at specific implenation.
you can look up "trailer encapsulation" in any of the rfc
databases or ethernet specs.if you dont do -notrailers and it
breaks your arp/mac layer stuff, dont blame me. ok bye --psb
breaks your arp/mac layer stuff, dont blame me (the RFC use
strong words on this point). ok bye --psb
\- BTW, trailers were largely cooked up in Evans Hall --psb
\_ IIRC there are some OS/swtich/router/whatever combos where
trailers will fuck up and slow down your net. Just turn
them off like everyone else and forget about it. |
| 2002/2/3-4 [Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:23764 Activity:very high |
2/3 Does anyone know how ISPs like comcast are going about detecting
the presence of nat devices?
\_ this is illegal because?
\_ not illegal, but some ISPs prohibit them in their terms of
service.
\_ what isps do that?
\_ AT&T, for one.
\_ That's why AT&T sent me info saying it's ok if I
run a server or do NAT but they can't help with
technical problems, right?
\_ Sure they did, you lying sack of shit.
http://www2.etreenews.org/article.php?sid=487
\_ *lol* Excuse me but fuck you, I have the
SF Bay Area AT&T User Agreement and that's
exactly what it says. You are allowed to
grow up now.
\_ *lol*? This isn't aol buckwheat. I posted
perfectly accurate and actually helpful
information, which you disagreed with.
I like this flamewar ==> information, which you disagreed with.
If you have nothing useful to add, just
go away.
\_ I think the difference is between using NAT
for computers at one residence and using it
across multiple residences.
\_ How can they detect that? doesn't their network just see
one machine (the one running the ip forwarding?)
\_ some ISPs will look at the MAC address to see if you've got a
router hooked up. Of course, this won't work if you've got a
desktop doing NAT, and a lot of routers can use a spoofed MAC
address.
\_ so how else is NAT done?
\_ huh?
\_ This thread was beat to death on /. a week or so ago. |
| 2002/1/23-24 [Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:23639 Activity:very high |
1/23 Carbon or Cocoa
\_ in what context?
\_ Cocoa if you like OO ObjC and Java. Carbon for the
rest of us.
\_ Depends, is it a #2 test or a milk vs water thing? Do I have a pot
stove top to heat the milk or is this a microwave-only deal?
\_ Carbon if you want your app to run in OS 9, otherwise Cocoa.
\_ Yeah..i figured.. but i'm wondering if i'd miss out on
anything by using carbon.. will using the carbon APIs
give me full run of the OSX features that i can get from
cocoa?
\_ If you build your Carbon app as a Mach-O app, then you
can call any of the OS X APIs without any extra work.
If you build it in the OS 9 executable format (PEF, i think)
you can still call the OS X APIs, but you'll need to write
some glue code.
\_ Whether or not you delete my comments I still say this is
really insane and don't understand why Mac developers
would put up with this.
\_ iPhoto is written in Cocoa. Most new apps Apple write will
be Cocoa based. Unless you need backward code compatibility,
you should start Cocoa. (Besides, Cocoa has the possibility
of running on other processors/OS..)
\_ Cocoa and Crabon have equivalent functionality, but it is far easier
to write gui code using Cocoa. The same gui will take at least
twice as much code under Carbon. --twohey
\_ Have they changed Interface Builder+Project Builder much from
the NextStep 4.x version? Does they do anything new/different?
\_ you can find out for yourself by joining the free ADC
program and then downloading the OS X Developer Tools.
http://developer.apple.com/membership/online.html
\_ I don't own a mac. I used to run NextStep on x86 and
sparc hardware. Doubt you can still download IB+PB for those |
| 2001/12/19 [Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:23297 Activity:high |
12/19 Has anyone ever heard of "MAC multicasting?" I can only find vague
references to it; it's not the "fake" ethernet addresses reserved
for class D IP addresses. Apparently Baydel and a few other
products/applications use it for various kinds of clustering. I'd
be grateful for pointers to any documentation. -John
\_ you're badly confusing IP addresses and end ethernet MAC addresses.
\_ No, I'm not. Nor am I referring to the MAC addresses assigned
to multicast IPs. Read the post again. -John
\_ John, I don't think there's any "MAC multicasting" that is
not multicast IP - multicast MAC mapping. I'm not aware of
any RFC that describes it. If a vendor claims it, it's
some proprietary shit. If this is used within a cluster
then the boxes can use whatever MAC they want. We do that
all the time. Assign arbitrary multicast MACs to various
linecards and let a central route processor send messages
to them. It's standard practice to do that. But the end user
never sees that and has no control over that. I assume
that you're an end user. -cisco kid
\_ multicast IP addresses have to be mapped to multicast MAC addresses.
That's how it works. E.g., when sending to multicast group
224.1.1.1 the MAC address should be 0x01005E010101. Look at
\_ Yeah looking at software implementations will help you understand.
But this should already be done by hardware. I implement this
kind of stuff in ASICs and microcode. -cisco kid
RFC 1112. -cisco kid
\_ hey, you were a friend of mine.
\- hello. the least sig bit in the first byte [or octet is the
proper jargon here], of the dst addr is the IEEE802.3 frame is
a mcast addr. for shorter people: any dst addr that is odd in
the first byte, is a mcast add. so the bcast is in the mcast
space and is a mcast addr but wants special handling. so when a
company gets a range of MACs, there is a bijection to it's space
of mcast addresses. grep say freeebsd src for etherbroadcastaddr
and M_BCAST and M_MCAST to see how this is done. ok tnx. --psb
\_ Yeah looking at software implementations will help you
understand. But this should already be done by hardware.
I implement this kind of stuff in ASICs and microcode.
-cisco kid |
| 2001/12/17-19 [Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:23276 Activity:very high |
12/17 This was brought up a few weeks/months ago, but I missed the final
word. So are there any labs remaining in Soda or Cory with unix
machines, or are they all NT now?
\_ 2 labs of solaris sparc (sunray), 1 dying lab of solaris x86 ppro.
\_ 2 labs (275,277). And then
there're the DECs in 199 Cory.
349 will go linux as soon as rest of nvidia cards arrive. |
The dec's are going linux cluster or E&S-/
\_ oh... so this all isn't too bad at all. I seem to remember a
few months ago, I got the feeling that nearly everything was
being replaced by windows.
\_ certain inst staff are fighting hard to keep windows from
taking over. They've lost Cory hall to The Dark One, but
are fighting to maintain Soda hall.
\_ actually the dark one may be in for a surprise. we may
see linux on cory/saidar/and the new, sekr1t cory++.
and then we may see vmware.
\_ we're definately seeing 6 G4s running osx/os9 in Jan.
\_ Should we wait until MacWorld so that we can get
the current models at a reduced rate? That way we
might be able to get an extra machine.
\_ If Mac is good enough for csua, why can't any sodan
answer my question about how to add/change security
certificate for IE on Mac?
\_ motd != csua. most of the modern csuaers do not
want to read the motd or wall. so, when you post
here you're not reaching mac OSX users/developers
\_ So how do we get in touch with ug's coding
and using OS X? - alum using/coding for OS X
\_ irc over to http://ugrad.csua.berkeley.edu
and /join #hoserchat
\_ And how do we get in touch with alums
working for companies coding and using
OS X? - another alum coding/using OS X
\_ I don't think you can as the following modssl
thread indicates:
<DEAD>www.mail-archive.com/modssl-users@modssl.org/msg10154.html<DEAD>
\_ Tnx. This is an useful answer. |
| 2001/12/15-16 [Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:23259 Activity:nil |
12/15 How do you add/change a security certificate in IE 5.0 Mac Edition?
\_ Evil + Evil = Really Really Really Evil.
\_ what a shitty answer. typical of the CSUA.
\_ No shit. Evil + Evil = 2 * Evil.
\_ hmmm, let's see... this is a question about Microsoft software
on a Macintosh asked on a computer science unix machine
populated by uber geeks and wanna-be uber geeks. What were
the odds you'd get a real answer? Anyway, sorry if it's been
a while since I had a math course. I defer to the greater
math skills of the person who replied 2*Evil. I was wrong,
so shoot me. |
| 2001/10/13 [Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:22731 Activity:nil |
10/13 Someone mentioned here some mail client on Mac/PC that is techie
friendly. Please repost it. (can't find it in motd archive). Thanks. |
| 2001/9/21-22 [Computer/SW/OS/Solaris, Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:22574 Activity:high |
9/21 does OS 9 and previous mac os's have a more lengthy
graphics pipeline?? is there a reason why there is almost
a 2-4 second delay on a realplayer window resize??
\_ Real player sucks on every platform other than winblows.
You have this same problem on Solaris and Linux.
\_ what are you talking about? RealPlayer sucks on Windows too.
\_ It seems to work well with Netscape on Windoze.
\_ At least it can play streams 7 out of 10 times on Windows.
On Solaris and Linux its more like 3 out of 10. |
| 2001/9/21 [Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:22564 Activity:nil |
9/20 What would be an Office-compatible app recommended for an iBook?
\_ um. Microsoft Office.
\_ Any other?
\_ No.
\_ By the way it is dual boot MacOS9 and OS X
\_ Microsoft Office works under both MacOS9 and in the Classic
environment under MacOS X. If you really don't want to use
Office you might try Apple Works, but it is not a complete
Office replacement --twohey
\_ AppleWorks is a nice if you just need to read docs that
people send you. The main limitation I found was the
lack of support for Word's revision control system.
\_ You should just use Office. If you absolutely refuse to use
it, then do the following:
1. Install VPC on OS 9 and OS X
2. Install RH Linux on your VPC
3. Install StarOffice under RH Linux running on VPC
4. Install MacX on OS 9 and XonX or XTools on OS X
Now you can run StarOffice on your mac. Yes its slow as
all get out but at least you are running OpenSource software.
\_ Why not just install Yellow Dog Linux directly on the iBook?
\_ Since when was StarOffice open source?
\_ Since sometime in March: http://www.openoffice.org |
| 2001/9/6 [Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:22328 Activity:nil |
9/4 Apple's "free" patch is no longer free...
http://www.macobserver.com/columns/thebackpage/2001/20010831.shtml |
| 2001/7/26 [Computer/SW/Unix, Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:21953 Activity:high |
7/25 Is there a Unix/Linux application or tool that can open up EPS
files and modify them (like draw lines on them, for example)?
I need to it keep it as EPS, because it's going to be inserted
into a Postscript document.
\_ SodiPodi. --mogul
\_ Doesn't the gimp do this?(http://www.gimp.org -ulysses
\_ gimp is not a vector drawing program. If you want to do
something very simple (or something very tricky), you
might want to edit PostScript source directly -- it's fun.
For some definition of "fun". -- misha.
\_ What Misha said. You can find "the" reference at:
http://partners.adobe.com/asn/developer/PDFS/TN/PLRM.pdf
It's a rather simple stack-machine based language;
small changes shouldn't be too difficult. -alexf
\_ can Adobe Illustrator do that? I remember an app called
Tailor.app on the NeXT and Macintosh platform...
\_ Yeah, I used ai, but that's only for Win/Mac. I needed
something Unix-based. And I know gimp isn't a vector
based program, but I was still able to make my changes
and save as an .eps file. Thanks, ulysses. But I will
try editing the ps source directly.
\_ do you have to start with eps? if your source can do some
more abstract format, e.g. cgm, you can import into any number
of vector formats, edit, and eventually export to eps.
\_ how about KIllustrator/Kontour? |
| 2001/7/12 [Computer/SW/OS/OsX, Computer/HW] UID:21780 Activity:nil |
7/11 in a network behind a Novel Border manager server i am dowloading
a medium size chunk of data. If i am on a mac, i get it all.
If i am on a PC it chops off the last 3/4 of it. Any idea what
could be going on?
\_ someting is fux0red, d00d. |
| 2001/6/30 [Computer/Companies/Apple, Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:21680 Activity:very high |
6/29 "We will meet again in the place where there is no darkness"
\_ 1984, right?
\_ In 1984, Apple Computer will introduce Macintosh. And
you'll see why 1984 won't be like 1984.
\_ And it'll take 11 years for M$ to catch up with the look &
feel.
\_ And MS will have a market cap 50 times greater than Apple.
\_ It's called being over and undervalued.
\_ Yeah, doesn't it suck?
\_ Well, it's Apple's own fault. They were shortsighted
in their market strategy and now they lie in the bed
they made.
\_ M$ Wins! game over.
\_ FATALITY
\_ B5, perhaps?
\_ good guess, but google for it. it's 1984
\_ On a related note, I personally found "Brave New World"'s vision
of the future much more disturbing that 1984 (granted 1984's vision
isn't that good). It seemed like all that is good about humanity
was missing from the people in BNW. Anyone else see it the this way?
\_ Funny, I found BNW a wonderfully comforting view that
finally the alpha brains get to rule, as they should. |
| 2001/6/14-15 [Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:21523 Activity:insanely high 73%like:21517 |
6/14 The most anoying misspelled word its deanitely their below:
heresey .
dumbenning .
embiggens .
definately (definitely) ..
it's (its) ..
alot
they're/their/there .
mispelled .
mac-o-sx
effected/affected
loose/looser (lose/loser) .
\_ What about luser?
micro$oft .
your/you're ...
cum ...................
rediculous .
pr0n .
grammer
seperate .
realize
harbor
center
theater
analcunt
potatoe (Hi Al.)
\_ Hi Dan!
\_ Spelling potato with an "e" was probably one of the
smarter things he's said.
then/than .
colour
\_ Not a misspelled word.
\_ here in the United States it is.
\_ Bullshite. Don't make me kick your arse into realising how
stupid you sound.
\_ You are right. Colour is courrect. |
| 2001/6/14 [Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:21517 Activity:high 73%like:21523 |
6/14 The most anoying misspelled word its deanitely their below:
definately (definitely) ..
it's (its) ..
alot
they're/their/there .
mispelled .
mac-o-sx
effected/affected
lose/loser (loose/looser) .
micro$oft .
your/you're .
rediculous .
pr0n . |
| 2001/5/7 [Recreation/Dating, Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:21190 Activity:insanely high |
5/6 why are men into different parts of women, such as breasts,
butt, stomach? advertising? biology?
\_ notice the top of the breasts and the butt are similar in nature.
Also, body shape is important because it signals a woman
is fertile and healthy. Also, the woman has two lips (one
on the face, one lower). Why can lipstick be so alluring? Well,
during heat, the woman's "lower lip" becomes red. I watched some
of this on the TLC/Discovery channel.
\_ Its all about mating. Once you get over the mating bit,
you see that these things are not that important. Civilized
human beings understand that the body is a perishible thing
and any attachment to its beauty is the result of ignorance.
\_ Butt is not important. Only breasts (too small == no fun),
stomach (too big == no fun) and pussy (too small == no fun,
too big == no fun) are important. The face isn't important
either, you can always put a bag over her head. - #1 mac daddy
\_ So if she had perfect tits, stomach and pussy but was ugly as
hell and had a 300 lbs ass you'd like that?
\_ Okay, big ass == no fun. But ugly face is okay, just put
a bag over her head. - #1 mac daddy
\_ flat or too small ass == no fun either.
\_ flat or too small is still doable, fat ass is
undoable. - #1 mac daddy
\_ sure it is. you just have to be in the right mindset.
cast off your pop culture worldview. i used to think
like you, but months spent staring at this one chubby
teacher and this other chubby t.a. changed me. it
needs to be healthy looking fat though, not waddling
sweaty folding fat.
\_ Yeah, you stick to the ugly, uh I mean healthy,
fat chicks and I'll screw the good ones. - #1 mac
daddy
\_ u not #1 mac daddy. Real mack know worth of big
but shapely butt
\_ u can keep dating your fat rapper ex-girl
friends, and I'll keep mac'ing on supermodels.
- #1 mac daddy
\_ don't be dissing ghetto booty
\_ u can keep them black asses. I'll stick
to white and yellow. - #1 mac daddy
\_ For some weird reason this troll just didn't work. Is the motd
becoming too blase?
\_ how is it not working? What kind of responses were you
expecting?
\_ It's due to the patriarchial fetishizing and the economic
exploitation of womens bodies. Not just T&A, but eyes, hair,
lips, feet, toes, teeth, earlobes, small of the knee
that bear the objectifying male gaze.
\_ Get thee to the kitchen, wench, and fetch me a beer.
\_ Yeah yeah like women don't objectify men. Not to say that
two wrongs makes a right or anything but this isn't a one
way trip. Women are not virginal innocents just waiting
to be exploited. I know you're not being serious but this
was crying out to be said. Any of you geek boys wonder why
you don't get laid? Because women make judgement calls on
men's appearance, too. Take a shower.
\_ I know what you mean. I just hate it when women at
parties are eyeing me checking out my package and making
comments about my cute tight butt. It gets especially
bad when they start groping me after they get a few
drinks in them. It's like considered "OK" to do that
because they are women and i'm a guy. I feel sooo used.
\_ No, more like they stand around the women's bathroom
talking about how little your penis is compared to
their last date but you've got a job so it's ok for
now until she finds a man. |
| 2001/4/16-17 [Computer/SW/Languages/Perl, Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:21003 Activity:high |
4/16 I have a bunch of ^M s from mac files i transfered over. I'm
sure there is a quick and easy way to remove them all, but i
don't know how to specify cntrl characters in my script.
Someone please point the way.
\_ Does vi's :1,$s/<ctr-v><ctr-m>// work? I think emacs also
has a remove trailing function.
\_ Are you really helping by giving it away? He was 99% of
the way there.
\_ man tr. Or do a search/replace in your favorite editor.
\_ For the hopelessly lazy: tr -d '\015' < file > newfile
\_ yes fine, i could come up with "do a search/replace" myself
the problem is that i don't know how to write ^M so that
my editor can read and match. it. How about i make this
specific: perl -pi -e 's/^M/ /g' FILES doesn't work. What
do i need to type instead of "^M" or actually pressing the
CNTRL and the M key together, so that i can match this char.
Does anyone know what the ascii (alt+3) number is for this
character or where i can find that?
\_ Heh... guess what? "man ascii". "But if you teach a man
to fish...."
\_ perl -pi -e 's/\r\n?/\n/' FILES
this will work for both Mac & DOS formatted files --dbushong
\_ Didn't you answer this question like 47 times before?
\_ How many times has this been asked on the motd before?
\_ just ftp your files over in ASCII mode |
| 2001/4/16 [Computer/HW/Laptop, Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:20997 Activity:very high |
4/15 Is the new Powerbook G4 worthwhile compared to PC laptops?
\_ After getting one free from work, couple comments:
They get hotter. Wait for nVidia's GeForce2Go to get
built in, the slot load can jam if you flex the case
too much, and get 256MB of RAM for OS X, otherwise
it can be pooky. Other than those minor quips, best
laptop I've ever owned, and much much better than
the Vaio it replaced.
\_ Honestly, unless you need the OS X, the Powerbook G4 is,
like the rest of Apple's performance line, overpriced. Now
of course people will argue about that but the fact is
Apple has nothing anywhere near the price/performance of
this Toshiba "gaming" laptop for $2400:
http://www.csd.toshiba.com/adp/satellite/adp_sat_gaming.html?KNCR=465
That has a Geforce2go, integrated everything and p3-850.
I mean it's the same story for all their hardware. People try
to compare an overpriced Vaio and say "see it's not much more."
And despite being thin and titanium it's not that light.
oh yeah, check out the combo DVD/CDRW on that toshiba. still
impressed with "slot loading (yay!)" on the Apple?
\_ Okay I looked at this, but its $2400 while the apple is
$2599. Now the display on this is only 1024x768 while
apple does 1152x768. Also, there is not integrated Airport
antenna, you need to get one of those ugly Lucent PCMCIA
cards. The toshiba is heavier than the Ti as well. For
$200 less you are getting a considerably crappier machine.
I don't know about you, but I'd rather not cut corners
when spending upwards of $2K. Now if the Toshiba cost
1000-1500 I'd agree that the Ti was overpriced.
\_ The new Titaniums are pretty nice. There are two ways to
look at it. You can look purely at the specs or you can
just pick one up and try it yourself to get a feel of what
it's really like. Compared to a top Viao, it's marginally
more expensive but you get a 15.1" display, a slot load DVD,
and some other nifty features. I don't have one myself but
I've played around with one myself. OS is another issue. You
don't have much of a choice here. Windows is a pile of shit
and Mac is in the middle of a transition between 9 and X. I'm
not too fond of OS9 myself and OS X has some serious response
time issues. Plus it will make that DVD somewhat useless. I'd
wait a while and see.
\_ The biggest OSX issue is that they built on the wrong unix!
I'd agree if you said FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE or 5.0-CURRENT
or even Solaris.
\_ The hardware is very nice (though i've heard of some people
having problems) and stunningly beautiful. I think it comes
\_ It's got the "Power" and the "Sex". It's just 1 inch thick
and 15 inches long and has a smooth surface that will make
you drool.
\_ Try to avoid drooling on your Ti, it might short the
battery/ac switching circuit (a $138 repair, don't ask).
down to a question of OS -- if you want/need Windows, there's
no point. If you don't, it going to be a great machine.
Despite performance complaints about OS X, i'm running it on
a B&W G3 300Mhz with 192MB RAM and it's performing just fine
for me. I don't use Classic though (when I need classic apps,
i just boot into OS 9).
\_ That's what I thought too. If you're really intent on getting
it running you will convince yourself that it's fast enough.
It's like the placebo - you'll get over the cold if you believe
that the sugar pill is really a drug. But then a coworker came
into my office and noticed how much it lagged. That's when
reality set in for me. I'd wait a while and stick with OS 9.
L1NSUX, esp. on a Laptop. Oh yeah, did I mention it had a working
Apple is has some events planned in the near future -- WWDC in
May and MacWorld in July, if you can you *may* want to hold off
to see what they come out with. Notwithstanding, I'm *very*
tempted to get a PB G4, and I have a PB G3!
\_ Basically, OS X and it's applications "are not there" yet. I'd
wait for at least six months before fully switching to it. So,
if you can't live with OS 9, don't buy it now ..
\_ I have a Pismo G3 and I love the machine, but everytime I see
Ti G4, I can't help but think how many weeks of pay I'd need to
save up in order to get it. The thing is unbelieveable. Builtin
10/100 Eth, Airport ready, Firewire, USB, VGA/S-Video Out, DVD,
15.1" wide-screen, 1" thick, etc.
Only the sony's have a comparable form-factor, but they don't
have all of the features built-in, you need one of those ugly port
replicators. Even then, the ethernet is usually PCMCIA, which is
limited by the 16bit bus and usually crappy 3com ethernet chips.
The PB G3/G4 onboard ethernet can push bits out to the tune of 5000-
7000 K/s, much faster than most PCs. Unlike PCs the Aiport card
has an integrate antenna, so you don't have that ugly black thing
sticking out the side of your laptop.
AFAIK, the only PC laptop with a 15.1" screen is a Dell and my
boss used to have it. It weighs like 8 lbs without the DVD and is
something like 3" thick. Its a beast to lug around. The Ti and
even the Pismo are far superior.
The one weakness with the Ti and the Pismo is that they use the
ATI Rage128 8 mb vram, which isn't all that great. I'm waiting
for Apple to release a Ti with GeForce2Go, which is supposted to
be *much* faster and will have 16mb vram. I know that 8 mb vram
vs 16 mb vram is irrelevant when you are running a dispay at
1024x768 (both will do 32bit color no problem), but I'd still
like 16 mb vram.
With regards to OS X, its a pretty good version of UNIX, with
a reasonably stable and full featured kernel. The VM subsystem
could be a little bit better (a la FreeBSD 5.0-Current) and it
would be nice if the filesystem support was a bit better (only
UFS and HFS+ at this point), but its still *much* better than
Linux, esp. on a Laptop. Oh yeah, did I mention it had a working
GUI environment not some shitty POC like GNOME or KDE and it has
a plethora of working Browsers.
Well, that's my $0.02. You should probably take this with a grain
of salt, as I'm a big mac fan (got my first mac in 1987 and I've
coded pascal, fortran, matlab, c and c++ for macs).
\_ twohey, is that you?
\_ no. I'm not twohey.
\_ Twohey - he's one of those kiss up brown nosers who asks
a million stupid questions in class that everyone already
knows the answer to just to make himself look smart. I
remember him asking pointless questions during Franklin's
162 lectures. I even heard that students in his discussion
section started attending other sections because he and
his kiss up group kept inundating the TA with moronic
questions that the TA couldn't get anything done during class.
\_ He isn't very bright, no.
\_ the only thing I find lacking with the Apple Ti Laptop is lack
of 112bit key WEP support. Not that this in itself is actually
going to keep anything wireless "secure" but because some of
the various locations in which I would use wireless are setup
to not talk to anything that doesnt do 112bit (aka EECS wireless)
--jon
\_ Yeah the lack of the "gold" card is annoying. Apple should
hurry up and fix that. Rumors say that this change will roll
out with the 802.11a update later this year. |
| 2001/4/11 [Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:20939 Activity:kinda low |
4/10 I'm looking to set up a small wireless lan in my (GF's) house.
Recommendations? (cost matters!)
\_ like someone said above..the airport is basically
802.11b gear branded by Apple..it's not Apple specific
we have a setup with an Airport hooked up to a fbsd box
to dsl serving wireless dhcp/nat
\_ agreed. We had an Airport LAN set up at my old office.
It worked great. I have a WaveLAN PC card from Lucent
and I was able to easily use it under Windoze and
Linux. From what I understand, the Airport is in fact
not much more than a WaveLAN card plugged into some
486-type machine and packaged nicely. The only issue
I see in doing it yourself is that you probably won't
be able to do it as cheaply.
\_ Are there any wireless systems that offer some kind of
security? Couldn't someone drive by your house and snoop
everything on your internal network?
\_ Yes... someone could. Though the Apple Airport appears
to allow access conrol via MAC address, and also supports
encrypting the communication channel. - rory
\_ Neither of which are specific to Airport. By the
way, MAC stands for media access control, something
present in all ethernet devices (including 802.11).
Of course it's used for access control, hence the name.
http://machardware.about.com/compute/machardware/library/weekly/aa062600a.htm |
| 2001/4/1 [Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:20884 Activity:nil |
3/30 The Macintosh Computers often set a "Do not Fragment" bit on outgoing
packets. Back in the Day, I had to get a third party app to turn
this off. I hear that nowadays you don't need to do that. So how
do you turn it off with the OS?
\_ just check the setting |
| 2001/2/23-24 [Computer/SW/OS/OsX, Recreation/Computer/Games] UID:20663 Activity:high |
2/23 I have a x86 box running redhat 6 and I can't get my new soundcard
to install. where should I go to get help? someone told me the
motd would be a good place to ask, because there are alot of linux
users here.
\_ linux user, yes. Helpfull people, no
\_ I guess you failed the TOFEL. Learn
some spelling and grammar fob.
\_ OSuX! OSuX! 1T'5 A11 A80U+ OSuX D00D! K3WL AKWUA & 5H1T!
\_ The first thing I would try is a later version of RedHat.
\_ D00D D1D U U53 linSUXconf?
TRY RH 6.2, 1T W0RK5 4 M3!
- 3133T LinSUX H@X0R/L0053R
\_ What does a server need a sound card for? If you want to play
games or pirated mp3s go install win98. It's better at both.
\_ Or MacOS. Its better than Win98 at both.
\_ MacOS? games? that's certainly news to me
\_ UT, Q3A, Monkey Island, Voyager Elite Force, Diablo II,
Baulder's Gate, all playstation games, SimCity 3K,
Caesar III, Oni, Marathon (it is still the best fps
ever made), radom other games.
Yeah, there aren't 50 million retarded games like in
the PC world, but that's just because a Mac is more
than a simple WinTendo.
\_ silly me, I thought people didn't publish Mac
games because there just aren't enough Mac users
to justify it, but I guess I was wrong
\_ uh you are on crack. by the time something comes out on
the mac it's usually pretty old news already. marathon
is not the best fps ever made, i played it.
\_ Perhaps in your opinion. But I still
like it. No other fps I have ever played
works well with just keyboard controls
and produces so much carnage. I've played
newer games and Marathon is still better.
i guess half-life, fallout2, arcanum, baldur's gate 2,
planescape: torment, nolf, deus ex, and tons and tons of
This is available on a Mac _/
\_ well exqueeze me.
old classic games that were never available on the mac
just don't matter when it comes to what system is better
for games. p.s., guess what game dominates online fps
play by a huge margin, and can't be had on a mac?
\_ CounterStrike? Yeah whatever. A Mac is much more
than a WinTendo. If I want to play games, I'd buy
a console. I use my computer to do *real* work.
\_ first you say macs are better at gaming. then you
say whatever, you don't want to play games. well
that's fine dumbass but then why the hell are you
talking about it. anyway try playing counterstrike
or any other mod for any game on a console. or any
rpg more complex than the linear "interactive
cutscene" style of console rpgs.
Also, what sound card?
\_ I wish Apple had died and Amiga survived. Amiga wiped the floor
with Crapple. |
| 2001/2/22-23 [Computer/HW/Display, Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:20652 Activity:moderate |
2/22 Go watch the streaming video presentation of GeForce3 / Doom3. You'll
be impressed (oh wait, this is the CSUA i'm talking to here... n/m)
\_ For only $600 too. Why bother paying rent when you can get a
GeForce3.
\_ I'm still waiting for nVida to release the mac rom flasher
for the 2MX card. I'm stuck with a Rage 128 Pro (?) and I
really want a card with better 2D. Raedon is waaaay to
expensive and the performance is not that much beter than
the 128. The 2MX seems like a great card: low price plus
good 2D.
\_ 2d? Any card can do 2d perfectly fine today. 2d is a
done deal. No one buys a new video card for 2d. Any
video card built in the last 18 months has 2d performance
way beyond anything you'll ever need.
\_ Actually the Rage 128 Pro is pretty bad at 2D. It
has a lot of visual artifacts that are simply annoying.
The 2MX is *much* better. I'm unhappy with the 128
because ATI's XClaim 3D VR Plus didn't have these
problems. I was thinking about a Voodoo3, but 3DFX died.
Oh well. - still waiting for a 2MX.
\_ A year after release it'll be $125 and headed into the "value
oriented customer" bin for you cheapos. Doom 3 with be on one
of those $2 CD's at the "old news/impulse buy" software section
at the check out line at Fry's. The MX2 card I have now would
have blown your shoes, shocks, and pants right off only 2 years
ago. Today it's a $99 card. It's all just a penis thing.
\_ No, it's all just an evolution of technology thing
\_ A $600 game card is a penis thing.
\_ don't mistaken value oriented with "cheapos". If you don't
care about paying too much for something's real worth that only
makes you an idiot.
\_ Value oriented = cheapos. It's a market definition. I
didn't make it up. Go read Intel or anyone else's maps
for their future lineup. "Value Oriented" is always the
bottom end system suitable for maybe running tetris. This
is known as a "euphemism". As a Berkeley student or alum,
you should know all about using nice sounding words to make
lesser people feel better. You're not cheap. You're a
Value Oriented customer. BTW, can I still use the word,
"oriented" without offending the Asian-Americans that read
the motd?
\_ Value oriented != cheapos. Some people just don't need
64MB of VRAM. I don't play many games, and the ones that
I do play (old LucasArts games, super puzzle fighter,
Gran Turismo) don't require a $600 video card. The 8 MB
Rage 128 that I have does just fine.
Most of the time I have a browser and a couple of
terminals open. That is all I need to do my work (writing
protocols and such). Occasionally I need to use Word.
The browser, word, terminals look fine even with 4 MB of
video ram.
I just don't need to spend $600 for "top of the line".
There are a lot of people like me.
\_ Yeah, and thank god I'm not one of them. You guys
a are lame and boring.
\_ You are posting this from work because people like
me wrote the routing and switching protocols that
let your crappy little PEECEE participate on the
internet. Its comments like this that make some
people wonder if we should just keep all the packets
to ourselves.
\_ Yeah. They should have the OS automatically
mark the "This computer has a bad ass graphics
card" flag in every IP packet it sends out so
that the routers can automatically adjust the
QoS of traffic originating from no-life gamers.
\_ Well, you've got to use the TOS bits for
something. ;-) (And in case you didn't get
it, I was joking about keeping packets to
myself).
\_ urlP
\_ There are a couple of links on http://xlr8yourmac.com. |
| 2001/2/6 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux, Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:20508 Activity:nil |
2/5 Someone below posted that Linus hates firewire. Is this person serious?
Does anyone here know anything bad about firewire? (everything i have
heard has been very positive). What? (added for those "yes"/"no" S.A.s.)
\_ Well there was that $1 fee apple wanted and then quietly dropped.
Some people complain that the developer docs and the spec are
hard to obtain (okay, its a IEEE standard, but I've still heard
complaints on line).
And then there's the USB 2.0 crowd that feels that Firewire is
a pansy mac thing.
Here are some articles:
http://lwn.net/1999/features/LinuxWorld/lt-keynote.phtml
http://slashdot.org/articles/99/09/05/1325210.shtml
BTW, I'm all for firewire. It kicks major arse. If poor little
Linus and his UNIX clone LinSUX don't want to get in on this
technology, he can stick to his crappy peecee. I don't run his
OS nor will I in the near future.
\_ Linus made disparaging comments about Firewire in the past, but
the Linux 2.4 kernel supposedly supports Firewire:
http://www.firewireworld.com/news/2000/08/20000823/linux.shtml |
| 2000/12/25-28 [Reference/Celebration, Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:20174 Activity:moderate |
12/25 Has anyone encountered a "Happy Holidays" virus (Mac) that
reconfigures one's Telnet application on Christmas Day? -elizp
\_ It's called an Easter Egg. Not a virus. If you play Lemmings
on Christmas Day, you get Christmas Lemmings.
\_ Which version of Lemmings?
\_ The one where they fall off the cliff when chased over the
edge by a Disney employee driving a truck.
\_ Ride bike!
\_ I don't think Linux would have saved them.
A nice thought, though. |
| 2000/11/30-12/1 [Computer/HW/Laptop, Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:19957 Activity:high |
11/30 Currently looking at laptops. Is a 12" screen okay or too hard
to maneuver? What are the top options that I should get?
Dell? Gateway? WinBook? Sony? Compaq?
\_ http://www.tech-report.com/etc/2000q4/transmeta - 11hr battery life
\_ Can someone provide a more convincing URL?
\_ Can someone provide a more convincing URL? TMTA has sounded
so good since their introductory news conference, but for the
last two weeks I've been suspecting that they suck today.
\_ depends on what you want to do with it. are you going to replace
your desktop with it, or are you going to use it as a supplement?
also, don't forget IBM.
\_ bad Chucky, no IBM for BSD!
http://www.pc.ibm.com/qtechinfo/MIGR-4QHLS4.html
\_ I don't understand IBMs obsession with LinSUX. Perhaps
\_ I don't understand IBMs obsession with redhat. Perhaps
\_ I don't understand IBMs obsession with RedHat Linux. Perhaps
after years with AIX anything looks good.
\_ Get a PowerBook G3 400, 192 MB Ram, 10 GB HD & Airport. It is
pretty cheap and you get 14" Active-Matrix TFT display, 2 USB
ports, 2 FireWire ports, VGA video out, S-Video out, 10/100
Ethernet, Wireless Ethernet (no antenna sticking out like on a
PC laptop), 56K modem, 8 MB video ram (Rage128 Mobility), a
fast DVD/CDROM drive, and 5-7 hrs battery life. It is the best
laptop on the market and with OSX you can run a real OS
\_ I work at Apple. I've used the damn beta. Trust me. OSX is
not something you want to put on your machine until they're
finally done with it. But at least it's a good start to
replace their kludgy OS9. One of the things I've learned
from working here is that Apple users (like Linux, WinXX,
FreeBSD users) can get extremely passionate and religious
about their particular OS or platform and, as a result,
tend to blabber about how great their OS is. It's
important to think realistically. Every OS sucks in its
own respect and every OS is cool in its own respect (well,
maybe not Windows). But it's all about your own personal
\_ Zealot! :P
preference and needs and other people's may be different
than yours. Religious wars won't get you anywhere.
\_ Uh, I'm using OSX on a daily basis. Yeah the beta has
some limitations, but it has emacs, ssh, nfs, bash,
terminal.app, perl, cc, c++, javac and most of what you
would find on a BSD install. I can get almost all my work
real OS like LinSUX.
done on OSX without any problems.
real OS like redhat.
(FreeBSD 3.2 + mods + upgrades) not a rickety clone of a
real OS like RedHat Linux.
\_ yeah but can' I run my windows games on it? If not its just
another overpriced paperweight.
\_ Well, yeah. I run some games like Monkey Island and
Myth on my PB G3 using Win98 on Virutal PC. Its okay.
I've tried Tiberian Sun and its also playable. Which
games did you specifically have in mind? Baulders Gate,
Diablo 2, UT, Q3A, Pod Racer, Boob Raider etc have Mac
versions.
The Mac can also play most playstation games, even
Japanese ones under VGS. The PC version isn't nearly
as good (and don't tell me about BLEEM, it can't hold
a candle to VGS on a Mac). The games I normally play
are Super Puzzle Fighter II Turbo (has sound and music
on the Mac unlike PC), Gran Turismo I and II, Driver
and Need For Speed High Stakes. They all run great,
much faster than on a real PSX or even a PIII 700.
\_ I have to say, VGS kicks ass as a playstation
emulator (esp. the cracked version). It simply
buries bleem. With Virtual PC, there's almost
no reason to buy a PC unless you want to
play brainless games like Quake. The mac
may not have as many games as the PC, but
it has the quality few that you'll want to
play and still be useful enough to do
for practical purposes under an OS that
doesn't have to be re-installed every
several months....
\_ Uh, Quake I, II and III Arena are
available natively for MacOS, as are
Unreal and Unreal Tournement. There is
full support for OpenGL RAGE (the ATI
stuff) and RAVE (the 3DFX stuff). The
entire line of voodoo cards work just
fine under MacOS. MacOS also has good
support for all those nifty PSX style
USB that the PC gamers envy.
My brother plays UT on his G3 466 +
Voodoo 3 with exceptional frame rates;
enough to kick the FAtlon 1 GIG and PIII
players arses every time.
The only mainstream PC game without a
mac version is Half-Life (and I'm pissed
about that, since the "beta" rocked).
Supposedly HL2 is coming to Mac...
\_ Windows Games? You want a laptop for Windows Games?
Sorry, I thought that you were going to use it to do
some REAL WORK using a REAL OS.
\_ I wanna play games AND do real work.
\_ Choose one or the other. Real work cannot be
performed on a WinTenDo.
\_ That sucks!
\_ please let me know if you find a laptop with a kickass
3D video card.
\_ PowerBook G3. Rage128 Mobility. Best video card in
any laptop. The PB kicks ass. PC vendors are still
trying to get into the technology that Apple had in
the PB100 and PB500 lines. |
| 2000/11/22-25 [Computer/Networking, Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:19894 Activity:low |
11/22 How many static IPs do you usually get from your DSL service?
Do they use subnetting? Besides host 0 and 255, all the others
assigned IPs can be used for web server, etc.?
\_ Default = 1, but you can order up to 4 from PacBell I believe
(costs extra, of course). I have one but use a gateway router
to share the connection across four computers.
\_ with pacbell, you get one for their basic level of service.
If you order 'enhanced DSL' not only do you get a non-PPPOE
connection (i.e. real ethernet), you get routed to you a
/27 ( 3 bit subnet, 6 useable IP addresses, one used by
your PBI gateway). So you get 5 IP's, for your ~$79/month. -ERic
\_ depends on your ISP. I have firstworld and they give two
static IP addrs per account. (You can possibly get more).
\_ @home provides 1 and you can get up to 4 more for $5/month each.
\_ But doesn't @home limit your total connections? They asked
my mother for MAC addresses of all machines to be used.
\_ This won't to jack for them if you are
using nat/pat. The next hop will only
see one MAC. Most likely they do bandwidth
shaping, by turning on discard queues after
a certain data rate has been exceeded.
\_ They didn't ask me for diddly and don't know diddly about
any of my machines. They installed the line and modem,
tested it, I approved the work, they left.
\_ they dont have to "ask you". They jsut bind to the
first MAC addr that requests access. |
| 2000/9/18-19 [Computer/SW/Unix, Computer/SW/Editors, Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:19277 Activity:high |
9/18 Tab=4 or Tab=8 in coding standard -- which is more popular?
\_ I use tab=2, tolerate tab=4, and hate pricks who use tab=8 (for
high level languages. assembly is different)
\_ I use tab=8, but I mostly code assembly. -- yuen
\_ Tab width correlates strongly with line ending, if that helps.
Unix=8; PC/Mac=4
\_ Tab = 8, and I want to throttle and maim every single human
being that has contributed to four-space tabs in code editors.
\_ problem with tab = 8, is if you stick with the no more
\_ That's why your code should have spaces inserted when you
hit tab.
than 80 character lines, then the code can start looking
quite constricted.
\_ tab 8 is too spread apart, you can't scan the lines well
\_ When you hit tab in code, the editor should insert 4
spaces. When you hit tab in text, then insert 8 spaces
or an actual tab that's as wide as 8 spaces.
\_ I typically use 4, but only because that's standard for Windoze.
What I really hate are the fuck ups that use a tab size of 3. -phale
\_ use tab = 2 pi |
| 2000/9/13-14 [Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:19239 Activity:high |
9/13 From http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20000913/tc/apple_test_dc_1.html "OS X also offers a technical feature known as ``pre-emptive multi-tasking'' which allows the computer user to do more than one task at a time without crashing the machine.". So the previous Mac OS (Mac OS 7?) was not pre-emptive? --- yuen \_ no it was originally cooperative multitasking. A scheduled task ran until it yeilded. Several RTOS use cooperative multitasking as well, notable Cisco IOS. \_ So that means Mac OS is even more lame than Windoze in this respect? Ohmygad. \_ Than Lose{NT,2K} yes. Some will argue that pre-emptive leads to worse performance for certain types of workloads, but for non-RT systems, I disagree. As an aside, the kernel in MacOS 8.5 - 9 has the ability (exteremly limited) to preempt/interrupt executing tasks. This is implemented using a mini-kernel (not a full featured micro-kernel like mach). Windows 9{5,8} (they are still basically DOS (the original Denial of Service)) doesn't have this ability, despite what CNTRL-ALT-DEL might lead you to believe. but for non-RT systems, I disagree. \_ yes. -tom \_ Some will argue that pre-emptive leads to worse performance for certain types of workloads (RT notably), but the trade-off is complete service outage due to [ Talking out of my ass here ] individual process failures. taks you do do essential work. But this won't really [ Talking out of my ass here - ali/tom feel free to correct me ] I suppose that you could write important stuff in the interrupt handlers, so that regardless of the executing task you can do essential work. But this won't really cut it if your interrupt rate is high and your process time in the handler is long. The other option might be to do the important stuff in \_ yes. -tom hardware (asic/fpga) and just run your ui via the OS. This is what most network vendors (Juniper, Cisco) do. [ Done talking out of my ass ] As an aside, the kernel in MacOS 8.5 - 9 has the ability (exteremly limited) to preempt/interrupt executing tasks. This is implemented using a mini-kernel (not a full featured micro-kernel like mach). Windows 9{5,8} (they are still basically DOS (the original Denial of Service attack)) don't have this ability, despite what CNTRL-ALT-DEL might lead you to believe. |
| 2000/8/30-2001/4/6 [Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:19129 Activity:low |
12/19 Who knows anything about computer music: mixing, synthesizing,
channels, formats, and /<iller Appz (for win or BeOS)? How about
opinions of good URLs for beginners? - seano
\_ Audio Mulch under Windows is fun to play with, and I've seen
bands performing with a laptop running Audio Mulch loops.
For the Mac, I've heard of recommendations for SuperCollider
(OO, real-time GC, Smalltalk semantic similarity, etc etc).
-- alice
\_ Under Linux, you may want to check out BEAST:
http://beast.gtk.org -mogul
\_ What kind of music are you interested in making?
There are lot of great Mac music apps I know of, but as far
as killer apps on windows... if you want to make loop-based
music, Sonic Foundry's ACID looks fun and easy to use. Mixman
occupies a similar space, though isn't as powerful.
occupies a similar space, though isn't as powerful.
Make a trip down to Computers and Music (recently relocated to
\_ which ones are the good ones on the mac? I haven't
had much of a chance to use mine as nothing more than
a glorified ps-game burner/mp3/browser machine.
the Richmond district of SF). They are knowledgable and helpful.
\_ Is it the one that was near Howard St. in Downtown SF? What's
\_ It's on their page -- http://www.computersandmusic.com
the new address?
For resources... start with:
http://www.harmony-central.com/Software |
| 2000/8/28 [Computer/SW/Security, Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:19105 Activity:high |
08/27 Does anyone know of any SSH and/or scp clients available for the
Macintosh (free or otherwise)? Thanks -dans
\_ F/Secure SSH http://www.datafellows.com
NiftyTelnet SSH
http://www.lysator.liu.se/~jonasw/freeware/niftyssh
Do a fuckin' web search next time. -tom
Do a web search next time. -tom
\_ you could even have looked on www-inst or www.csua
(localhost). *duh*
\_ Did both. Asked the motd in case I missed anything.
Anybody know if the version of F-Secure for the Mac on
eecs-inst is the full version or an evaluation version?
-dans
\_ If you've read it, remove your fucking motd entry.
\_ BTW, this one's not legal in US until 20 Sept I believe
(RSA patent needs to run out or something) |
| 2000/8/23-25 [Computer/SW/OS/OsX, Computer/HW/Drives, Computer/HW/Printer] UID:19080 Activity:low |
8/24 Someone wants a USB CD-RW. The HP 8200e 6x looks okay, but it
seems to be PC only. The Sony Spressa USB Plus 4x is Mac
and PC. Anyone know if the HP one runs on Macs?
\_ I have the HP 8230e. It didn't come with any software or driver
for the Macs. My guess is no.
\_ I'd stick with the Sony. It's a good product and I know
several Mac and PC users who are happy with theirs. HP
has a horrible record when it comes to Mac support
\_ Thanks! |
| 2000/8/10-11 [Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:18949 Activity:very high |
8/9 What would be a nice and affordable computer system for mainly
doing digital photography for home use? Any URL will be appreciated.
\_ iMac http://www.apple.com
\_ the imac screen size is unacceptable for photoshop/gimp work.
\_ macs rule!
\_ Having been a long time Mac owner (got my SE in 1987 and have
owned +8 mac since) I find that Macs far from rule. I like them
as they are acceptible machines for certain tasks such as word
processing, web browsing, telnet/ssh, terminal emulation and
mp3 playing. I would venture that windows (all flavors) is
useful for the about the same + perhaps gaming (if you want
to waste your time) except that windows is a much less user
friendly environment that hurts your procductivity rather than
friendly environment that hurts your productivity rather than
helps it. For the use the poster specified, digital photography
at home, a mac is ideal as it comes completely equipped with all
the features you would need for this task. If you doing any real
work, for heavens sake get yourself a real computer or at least
run Linux/*BSD on your PC/Mac.
\_ The windows gui has nothing to do with productivity. He'll
be spending his time in an app. And what *nix app is
available that will do all the digital photo features as well
as a mac/windows box without spending professional level
prices? Time to RIDE BIKE!
\_ a real computer being a sun or sgi workstation....? *sigh*
\_ if you're doing anything creative, like drawing or playing
with photoshop, or editing movies, then you really, really
NEED a mac. All the software handling these things runs at
least twice as fast on the mac and crashes (a little) less
often than on windows. Try the same version of Photoshop on
both a Mac and a PC and you'll see what I mean.
\_ Sorry I was thinking about coding/number crunching.
You are right, a Mac is still the best at graphics and
publishing. In fact my publishers take the word docs that
I send them for my books and convert them into frame or
pagemaker on a mac in order to proof the layouts. They
only used Word because its easy for the editors to read
from a pc.
\_ Though I am just getting into it, I plan to have a "digital"
streach of the imagination. Its a decent program but photoshop
darkroom instead the traditional ones. I still own a mac but
I am afraid that with 603e processor it will not be good enough,
and I don't have enough money to burn. Is GIMP really a viable
might be able to sell it and buy a refurb imac or b&w g3
though. I'm looking at a $899 b&w (http://www.smalldog.com
You might be able to get $300 to $400 for your pb.
replacement for photoshop for this purpose?
\_ Get a G3 upgrade its ~ $200 and will increase your performance
several fold. You can even run LinuxPPC with GIMP if you so
desire. GIMP is not a good alternative to photoshop by any
strech of the imagination. Its a decent program but photoshop
its not.
\_ Thanks for the advice. However, I have a Powerbook 3400.
\_ Sorry. I don't think that you can upgrade a 3400. You
might be able to sell it and buy a refurb imac or b&w
g3 though. I'm looking at a $899 b&w (http://www.smalldog.com
You might be able to get $300 to $400 for your pb so it
wouldn't be too much more and it would be well equiped
to handle digital photography as compared to a PC.
\_ I also would not recommend running LinuxPPC on a pb
3400 or any machine with a 603e. The 603e is a really
slow processor.
\_ An alternative to upgrading to a new mac is to get a
used mac such as a 120 MHz 7600 or a 100 MHz 7500 and
buy a G3 upgrade card for it. The 7600 might be about
$300 to $400 with the 7500 being about $200 to $300.
These are PCI boxes so you can get a good video card
(voodoo 3), a USB/FireWire card, and a 100MB ethernet
which makes it as powerful as most g3's. You'll save
a couple of hundred dollars over a refurb new mac. If
you do get an older mac, make sure you don't get a
[89][56]00, their mb/case design makes them hard to
upgrade. The 7[56]00 has a really nice mb/case that's
easy to access and upgrade.
\_ anybody here employed in the graphic design/photography
industry or know anyone in it? How do they/you like
it? |
| 2000/7/19-20 [Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD, Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:18720 Activity:very high |
7/19 "Our only hope is to make an antivirus email that uses the hole to
install the patch and then forwards itself off."
--Fixing MS Outlook hole
\_ man outlook
\_ Somebody, please, get off your ass, code up an exploit, and have it
install a real OS. Any real OS. Whichever one you like. Or at least
put in some minimal bootstrapping mechanism that'll let the user
pick an OS later. Once and for all get rid of all this M$ crap. I
wish I could code x86 assembly, I'd do it myself...
\_ that's right folks, hurry and get your copy of
Mac OS X and a G4 to go along with it this winter
\_ i can code x86 asembly. please dfinge the problem better
and i'll fuck shit up when i get time.
\_ Using the recently-announced buffer overflow in Outlook
via the date field, create a self-replicating (via forward)
payload which causes the following behavior:
1) show, say, a "virus detected. stand by while we clean it
up"
2) start up a stealthified installer for some really-trimmed
distribution of linux or *bsd (don't know of any mini
ports for the latter); this has to be small and fast.
3) alter the boot record to boot into the new os by default,
perhaps letting the user change to windows from inside
the new os.
4) put up a lot of obviously-visible first links to
newbie docs, so that the user is motivated to try and
experiment
\_ dont forget to
2.0) check for at least 250 megs in free or "reclaimable"
disk space. This is the tricky bit.
\_ No. Use a compact linux distro; the lower end of
the range fits nicely within 4M or so. The rest of
the bloat can be bootstrapped later if the coder/victim
wants it. Maybe check for >=32M of memory so that
0 swap space won't become a fatal problem.
\_ 5) Hire a good lawyer or prepare to join Kevin Mitnick
in computer exile.
\_ If you have the guts to not brag about it, ever,
this won't be a problem. Not that hard to cover all
tracks to a virus source; it's morons who leave
there name in the .doc headers that get busted (and
people like Mitnick who spend a lot of time doing
a lot of this; a singular incident is very difficult
to trace)
\_ But this is an e-mail virus, so the FBI just has
to check the carnivore logs for the first time they
saw it and track back from there.
\_ 6) Start making "Free Me" web sites based on the "Free
Kevin" ones.
\_ Formatting fixed. -motd formatting god-in-training |
| 2000/6/23-24 [Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:18533 Activity:moderate |
6/23 .NET! .NET IS THE STANDARD OS
\_ It's not an OS. It's a whole new paradigm! What'll MS think of
next? I'm guessing they'll innovate the mouse.
\_ Oh is that the new euphemism? I think they're more likely to
"innovate" a goose
\_ Mac OS X will be the new standard
\_ Oh God... please take the baseless fanaticism elsewhere.
The rest of us need a multi user reasonably securable
unix OS and no having a unix based kernel without the
rest of the deal doesn't make it unix based for most real
world needs. And yes, I hate Aqua, too.
\_ Mac OS X is multiuser. All the standard unix
utilities are there. |
| 2000/6/21 [Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:18507 Activity:high |
6/19 What's the difference between the names "Coca Cola" and "Coke"? Pepsi
Cola only has one name.
\_ Do you know anyone who calls it "Pepsi-Cola"? Everyone I know just
says "Pepsi". Many products have formal names and nicknames, look
at Mac/Macintosh, VW Beetle/Bug, etc.
\_ Coca-Cola, Inc., trademarked "Coke" (tm) before Pepsi-Cola, Inc.,
even existed
\_ Coca-Cola is caffeinated carbonated water with high-fructose
corn syrup that you drink to get high.
Coke is a C17H21NO4, a great drug that you can sniff or smoke
to get high.
Both come from the same place.
\_ cocaine.
\_ wow you are brilliant aren't you
\_ STOP BEING SO RANDOM!!! WHO THE HELL CARES!! |
| 2000/2/22-23 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux, Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:17586 Activity:high |
2/21 It looks like Real Networks discontinued support for non windows/mac
clients. This is sad. They released Real Player 7 and there aren't
any links to linux or unix versions. They also destroyed all links
to the G2 beta for Linux. Lame
\_ http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/000222/realnetwor_1.html
\_ http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/000222/realnetwor_4.html
says that realplayer 7 will be available within 30days
what have you been smoking and where can I get some ?
\_ a recent /. article seems to contradict this statement
\_ What's sad about it? You're lucky to get your sound card running in
Linux in less than 8 hours anyway.
\_ Not if you're using SB16 or any supported PCI card
\_ That sucks if you're limited to those cards. |
| 2000/2/18-21 [Computer/SW/OS/Solaris, Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:17553 Activity:kinda low |
2/18 do you know any utility that cleans up mp3's with those "clicking"
sounds? I downloaded a ton of stuff at work which sounds great.
At home though when I transfered the files to zip disk and placed
them on my system, they sounded like crap with that clicking sound.
Any idea why? Any idea how to clean it up? - keithyw
\_ try DART Pro (available off http://download.com)
\_ It's probably your sound card.
\_ Yes. I can't remember the name though --oj
\_ uncook.exe (assuming you're running windows)??
\_ What about on Linux/Solaris?
\_ Install new drivers. If none are to be found, your card is
too old. Pray that it isn't software audio.
\_ What clicking sounds? I've never had those to speak of on a mac
\_ pluz! enlighten us with the windom of your niche computer!
\_ niche would be Amiga. Macs have grown past that.
\_ Sure the clicking sound isn't your Zip drive?
\_ Sure the clicking sound isn't your cup-holder? |
| 2000/2/11-12 [Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:17495 Activity:nil |
2/11 If i have a smooth function of two variables, and want to turn it into
a nicely rendered 3d picture, what is a good way to do that?
mathematica would get the idea across, but i'd like something that makes
a really nice picture with shading and lighting and such like the STM
images on the IBM site. any suggestions?
\_ http://www.povray.org
\_ dude, that kicks ass! thanks! |
| 1999/12/3-5 [Computer/SW/OS/Solaris, Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:16998 Activity:moderate |
12/3 So I'm using a solaris box trying to look at some info on X-files
at http://www.fox.com What do I get? This shit:
You are running on a platform other than a PC or a Macintosh. Unless
you run on one of these platforms, you will be unable to access
http://FOX.com.
How stupid can they get? What do they gain by this bullshit?
\_ now now, Fox has a lot of quality programming.
\_ Yeah, you'd think they'd be aware of the fact that their target
audience is full of UNIX-using geekboys. Better send Fox a
warning note, before they lose them all to some new Star Trek
thing or RPGs, or something.
\_ Uh huh... like your email note is going to anyone who cares.
\_ Look, you're a stupid unix geek and are roughly 0.0001% of the TV
market. It's better for them to use some cool flashy stuff that
the kids will like than make it so primitive a lynx using geekoid
like you can get the latest Buffy info.
\_ WHEN *nix ATTACK, next on fox at 11
\_ but their only requirements are satisfiable by, e.g. Linux
(Flash and Real). They're just being silly. |
| 1999/11/28-12/1 [Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:16960 Activity:moderate |
11/27 Need to build a machine that will be used primarily for recording
sounds/tunes/mixdowns etc with. Using cakewalk software (unles
someone can recommend better). I've done recording with an
alesis adat, mackie 24 and other stuff, but not with a computer
anyone have any suggestions as to 1. what machine i'd want to
buy, and 2. what components to max out on (cache vs ram vs disk)
what's a good soundcard - yamaha vs. sb, etc? thx. - paolo
\_ wow. I can't be the only who is doing this.
\_ You're not, but I do this on a Mac (B&W G3; 9 GB IBM Ultra SCSI
drive; Vision DSP for recording, Metasynth and Supercollider for
processing; standard Mac sound hardware). You seem to be looking
for Wintel advice.
\_ arent there web search engines or newsgroups that can help you
out better than the motd? --jon
\_ try http://www.harmony-central.com
\_ Cubase VST 24 --shac
\_ Try going to Computer's and Music (on Mission bet. New Montgomery
and 3rd St. -- just blocks from the Montgomery Bart). They are
very knowledgeable and helpful.
\_ P-II or better, 128MB RAM, big HD if you do lots of editing.
If you want the best sound quality, get a 24/96 soundcard.
-- cakewalk user since ver 1.x
\_ You want to do all this on a Mackie Db8. It _is_ a PC, complete
with ethernet, Winblowz, etc. Connect it down to a Mac running
PowerTools. You want to connect to the machine via MIDI, store
all your mixes, as well as music onto the Mac. Record session
onto ADAT XT20. Then play the entire thing through to a sound
file and burn onto CD. This makes for the cleanest sound. The
Db8 avoids extraneous hardware like reverb, gating, etc. as
everything is digital. You will need 2 Db8's however if you
want true 32 track editing (64 doen to 32). And the ADAT remote
controller helps as well (when running 2-4 decks, it syncs them
all to the same command set). No one goes to this level with a
PC.
\_ Will this run on my c-64?
\_ I assume PowerTools -> ProTools?
\_ Is Cubase VST that much better than Cakewalk? I find Cakewalk's
UI quite tedious and ugly to boot. But I know how to use it.
\_ ED! ED! ED is the STANDARD! Recording equipment. |
| 1999/11/9 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux, Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:16853 Activity:high |
11/8 According to BeOS at:
http://www-classic.be.com/support/qandas/faqs/faq-0408.html
they claim that they can't port BeOS to Mac G3s. How is it that
the linux guys can get linux to run on G3s and the BeOS guys can't?
\_ As I understand, Apple did stuff that makes doing MP on G3's nearly
impossible. (But then I haven't been following them for a while)
--dbushong
\_ Because Linux doesn't do 1/10th the shit BeOS does so they didn't
need any technical help from Apple. Before anyone mouths off and
pulls a knee jerk LINUX RULEZ, YEW DR00LZ!, I've installed and used
both. If you haven't tried BeOS, don't bother flaming. I don't
RIDE BIKE! either. |
| 1999/11/2 [Computer/SW/Security, Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:16811 Activity:insanely high |
11/1 How secure is the www Java ssh terminal? Can't someone still
intercept packets going through your browser?
\_ The real answer you're looking for is "No, not really". Don't
forget, the Java doesn't run on the site you got it from, it's
like a downloaded program and is run _locally_ in your browser.
The outgoing traffic is encrypted by the ssh code. _However_,
if someone really had it in for you, they could intercept the
ssh java code as you downloaded it the first time you went to
that URL and replace it with compromised java code. --dbushong
\_ or attach a debugger or read your process data via /proc...
\_ yes, if they have root access to your machine, kill -SEGV your
client and analyze the core file. But that's true for any
ssh client (not just the java version).
\_ if you're going to be that way about it, all they have
to do is intercept data going to/from your tty, and you'd
never know.
\_ I don't have a tty.
\_ or attach a debugger or read your process data via /proc or
just secretly replace the ssh binary or hack the socket
system calls to log or . . . Short answer: You must trust
root, because they can do anything they want to you.
\_ I don't trust root. I only use a Macintosh because it
has the best security. You never hear about Mac servers
getting broken into.
\_ That's because you never hear about Mac servers.
\_ What do you think Apple is running? Mac rulez,
unix dr00lez@!
\_ soda [12] telnet http://www.apple.com http
Trying 17.254.0.91...
Connected to http://www.apple.com
Escape character is '^]'.
HEAD / HTTP/1.0
HTTP/1.1 500 Server Error
Server: Netscape-Enterprise/3.6 SP3
Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 22:21:38 GMT
Content-length: 305
Content-type: text/html
Connection: close
Connection closed by foreign host.
Apple is runnig MacOS?
\_ Netscape for Macintosh, dummy! You dr00le!!!1
\_ There isn't an Enterprise for Mac. Look
at their web site. |
| 1999/10/24-26 [Computer/SW/Languages/Perl, Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:16754 Activity:high |
10/23 From a C programmar who knows just enuff to be dangerous,
\_ wut r u gonna do,
nibble my bun?
how to I convert a binary text file to plain text file? Do
I have to get each character one at a time, check for 0x1a, etc.
before writing it in text? Thanx - mtbb.
\_ man strings. WTF is a "binary text file" anyway? Everything is
in binary if you want to be anal about it and otherwise, it's
either binary -or- text. What are you talking about?
\_ He's referring to text files terminated with CR/LF vs. CR,
otherwise known as dos-tyle text and Unix-style text. To
the original poster: try "todos" -mogul
the original poster: try "todos". If that doesn't suit you,
and you'd rather do this with C than with tr or perl, then you
need to open the file in binary mode and do exactly what you
propose, though you can be much more efficient by working on
larger chunks of data before writing it out. --mogul
\_ Just in case you're actually trying to get this done
rather than theorize about how to do it in C:
DOS -> UNIX: perl -pi -e 's/\r//g' filename
DOS -> UNIX: perl -pi -e 's/\r//g' filenames
\_ I think you mean
perl -pi -e 's/\r\n/\n/g' filenames
UNIX -> DOS: perl -pi -e 's/\n/\r\n/g' filename
UNIX -> MAC: perl -pi -e 's/\n/\r/g' filename
MAC -> UNIX: perl -pi -e 's/\r/\n/g' filename
I'll leave the DOS to MAC conversions as an exciting
exercise to the reader. --dbushong
\_ Will the dos to mac conversions be on the midterm? Do I
have to know that stuff?
\-emacs dos-mode --psb
\_ Will *that* also be on the midterm? Is it open
book?
\_ Midterm question: Do the above conversion
using only nroff
\_ Oh come on... I thought this was supposed
to be an advanced course! What's with the
baby questions? |
| 1999/9/9-10 [Computer/SW/OS/Windows, Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:16491 Activity:high |
9/9 Read http://www.multicians.org/general.html#tag14 for where Domain/OS came from. \_ oh just shut up. You got trolled. \_ so who won? -The troller, because he got a response or the trollee because he sucessfully fended off misinformation? \_ there are no motd winners, only losers. \_ trolling isn't about misinformation. trolling is about getting a nearly 2 page long motd by doing nothing more than saying, "No, you're wrong, I'm right, go away". Works like a charm everytime. This one was especially good. |
| 1999/7/1 [Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:16049 Activity:nil |
6/30 Someone please post a pointer to a damn how-to doc which explains
what the new secure soda setup will be like, and what steps a
typical user (either linux, windoze, or mac) will need to take
to log in after the change. Put the pointer in motd.official
and save a gazillion instances of the damn 'what do I do?'
questions we've been having.
\_Isn't this pretty simple? All you have to do is get a ssh client
instead of a regular telnet client. If you have firewall problems,
talk to your sysadmin to open up the ssh port. That's it. If you have
problems you can email me. I thought
that this was CSUA, aren't you supposed to know how to do this?
williamc |
| 1999/6/29-30 [Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:16035 Activity:high |
6/28 Say someone gave me a mystery ethernet card with no info on it, no
docs, and no drivers but I want to make use of it. The only thing
I can find out about it is this /proc/pci entry:
Ethernet controller: Macronix MX98715 / MX98725 (rev 32).
and a MAC address 0080C6F7EF3F
Is there a way to find out compatible popular drivers for this card?
\_ http://www.macronix.com/www/www2/P_NETWK.nsf/27d04aa22a9c609ac82566710027509c/7403de8147db18374825674000350d47?OpenDocument
And obviously, http://www.macronix.com for general info. -ax
\_ http://www.sohoware.com
\_ http://standards.ieee.org/regauth/oui/index.html will give you
the vendor of the card. If it's generic, the NE2000 driver will
probably work. -tom
[the below was saved from my anti-censorship motd archives. -not ax]
\_ http://www.macronix.com/www/www2/P_NETWK.nsf/27d04aa22a9c609ac82566710027509c/7403de8147db18374825674000350d47?OpenDocument
And obviously, http://www.macronix.com for general info. -ax
\_ stick it into a win98 machine and pray it doesn't load up Bill
Gates drivers
< |
| 1999/6/25 [Computer/SW/OS/OsX, Computer/SW/Security] UID:16017 Activity:high 66%like:16014 |
6/24 It's about time EECS instructional finally enforced an ssh only policy.
\_ Report them to the Commerce Dept. They're allowing foreigners to
use encryption! That's illegal, the unamerican scum.
\_ Fuck you. --sowings
\_ Oh no, we wouldn't want that to happen would we?
Now for every other machine on campus to follow suit.
\_ ^suit^suite
\_ it's suit, dumbass
\_ Funny, it's rare that we're in the vanguard. You should check
"finger @cory.eecs" though--lots of lusers still stuck with telnet.
--sowings
\_ What the hell is so hard about using ssh? ^telnet^ssh
\_ Part of it may be that users are at a commercial site with
a non-SSH-friendly firewall. --sowings
\_ Not everyone uses an OS that has ssh. Not everyone has
an OS. Don't be so OScentric.
\_ Everybody IS using an OS that can run ssh (no I'm
not talking about Palm Pilots).
\_ I work at a secure site that has a terminal/modem
that I use to dialout to an annex box on campus
and then telnet to soda. Who the fuck are you to
tell me my OS supports ssh? I don't have an OS,
dumbshit.
\_ will EECS install an s/key server? we do that
here for cases like this, because we don't
trust users to protect their reusable passwords.
\_ Furthermore, some of us work behind a firewall which
does not have ssh enabled (I know how stupid that
sounds, but it's true).
\_ I use ssh behind a firewall all the time. Mail root
and tell him what a moron he is for configuring a
firewall improperly.
\_ I would love to use SHH -*BUT*- there is *NO* free ssh for windows
I know you'll all say use linux, but I don't - so there!
\_ There have been free versions for quite a while loser.
http://www.net.lut.ac.uk/psst Get a new excuse.
\_ And given that Window$ versions are already compiled
they have less of an excuse not to use ssh than Unix
people do. Yet the statistics reflect the opposite.
\_ WinBlows twits are stupid. proof: axiom 1.
\_ Windows: http://www.zip.com.au/~roca/ttssh.html
Mac: http://www.lysator.liu.se/~jonasw/freeware.html --dim
\_ TeraTerm? http://depot.berkeley.edu always has free stuff.
\_ Why is ssh free for UNIX but not for Win or Mac? Is it a patent
issue?
\_ porting stuff across unix tends to be very easy (ie. almost
nothing to do) whereas writing a port for Win or Mac is a
total pain in the ass to do. Hence, people who do write
the ports ask for $$$.
\_ They must be evil for not doing it out of the GNUoodness
of their hearts and for the love of technology.
\_ A free port at
http://akson.sgh.waw.pl/~chopin/ssh/index_en.html
\_ just a random check on soda:
netstat -n | awk '($4 == "128.32.43.52.22") {print}' | wc -l
126
netstat -n | awk '($4 == "128.32.43.52.23") {print}' | wc -l
83
--jon
\_ what is port 22 for?
\_ ssh moron
\_ why did this deserve a "moron"? i'm sure at one time
you didn't know what port 22 is for, or even what a
port was.
\_ look in /etc/services moron
\_ Wow, you're a real asshole. The guy knew what
the command line did, but didn't know a lousy port
number and isn't a linux s00per g0r0 like you
so he's a moron? Are you Trevor Buckingham?
\_ No, *I* am Trevor Buckingham!
\_ Please start smoking pot instead of crack.
\_ I am Jean Valjean
\_ My name is Paolo Soto, you got into the
LSCS major, prepare to die. |
| 1999/6/24-25 [Computer/SW/Security, Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:16014 Activity:very high 66%like:16017 |
6/24 It's about time EECS instructional finally enforced an ssh only policy.
Now for every other machine on campus to follow suite.
\_ Funny, it's rare that we're in the vanguard. You should check
"finger @cory.eecs" though--lots of lusers still stuck with telnet.
--sowings
\_ What the hell is so hard about using ssh? ^telnet^ssh
\_ Not everyone uses an OS that has ssh. Not everyone has
an OS. Don't be so OScentric.
\_ I would love to use SHH -*BUT*- there is *NO* free ssh for windows
I know you'll all say use linux, but I don't - so there!
\_ Windows: http://www.zip.com.au/~roca/ttssh.html
Mac: http://www.lysator.liu.se/~jonasw/freeware.html --dim
\_ TeraTerm? http://depot.berkeley.edu always has free stuff.
\_ Why is ssh free for UNIX but not for Win or Mac? Is it a patent
issue?
\_ porting stuff across unix tends to be very easy (ie. almost
nothing to do) whereas writing a port for Win or Mac is a
total pain in the ass to do. Hence, people who do write
the ports ask for $$$.
\_ They must be evil for not doing it out of the GNUoodness
of their hearts and for the love of technology.
\_ A free port at
http://akson.sgh.waw.pl/~chopin/ssh/index_en.html |
| 1999/6/23 [Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:16003 Activity:nil |
6/22 Does anyone know of a free ssh implementation for the Macintosh?
\_ NiftyTelnet, as long as you're not in the USA... |
| 1999/3/24-25 [Computer/Companies/Apple, Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:15640 Activity:low |
3/23 What do people here think of the Apple Darwin project
(http://www.publicsource.apple.com I know RMS is bitching
about it, but it seems to me that it's just sour grapes.
\_ what else would you expect from RMS?
\_ Bwah-hahahaaa.. They STILL can't pull off OS-X by themselves,
so they've decided, "Hey, if we make it 'opensource', it will
magically happen, and we won't even have to pay the coders!"
\_ I'm involved in a discussion on Apple's publicsource list. There
are a number of difficulties with the license, which I hope Apple
will resolve soon. See
http://perens.com/APSL.html
http://www.loyalty.org/~schoen/apsl.html
Search for "Apple" on http://slashdot.org to find several articles with
discussions about the license (and other issues). -- schoen |
| 1999/2/24 [Computer/SW/OS/Windows, Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:15473 Activity:high |
2/23 Thanks ERic for the MRTG tip. It works great.
New Question (Sometimes i think i take advantage of the motd;
other times i'm sure of it.):
Does anyone know of any LPT protocols so that my WIN 9X machines
can print to Mac printers like my NT machines do ? -crebbs
\_ Have them print to an NT server setup as a print server for the
Appletalk printers. Easiest to do if you already have an NT
server that prints to them. I've never bothered trying to find
an Appletalk driver for win9x (which I'm assuming is what you
mean by "Mac printers"). If the printers are tcp/ip, you just
need the right printer driver like any other printer.
\_ sorry, i should have been more clear about what i was doing:
I have been having problems with printing (most notably
with certain applications such as QUARK) and want to take
my *Apple* (woops) printers off the NT server and have
them on a MAC server which will be "cleaner" (for lack of
a better term). Now my NT machines can still print to
those printers via tcp/ip using the LPR protocol which
NT has, but my Windows 9X machines can't 'cause they don't
so i was hoping for some third part LPR protocol so i
don't have to buy pc-maclan or copstalk just to print.
\_ oooooooh.... well you can _still_ print via your NT
server as a sort of printer server/proxy for the 95
boxes. I've done this before. All the lpr/9x things
I've seen all suck and don't come anywhere near the
concept of "clean".
\_ How? i can't see the printers from my win9x
machines and couldn't find anything on the winnt FAQ
\_ Setup the printer using LPR on the NT machine,
then share it from the NT machine.
\_ well, you could try moving a printer to a UNIX box,
and running CAP, and see if you stillhave problems
printing from mac. Then you could print from
both mac and nt fine.
\_ Yes well, i very often say "we should do this on a
Unix Box" but the unix boxes aren't "mine." I
suppose i could set up a linux machine but, grr,
that's like work. (besides finding a spare
machine)
\_ installing linux on a machine that used to run
Windows is more like a vacation than work. -tom |
| 1998/12/22 [Computer/SW/Unix, Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:15135 Activity:nil |
12/21 I Need A GOOD calander/schedule program for a company of a little
over a hundred people (but growing fast). We are willing
(as it seems like it will be necessary) to change our mail server
to whatever the Calandering program needs. We have Unix, NT and
even MAC servers I am open to any suggestions, but none of our
Sys. Admins. (least of all me) have a huge amount of time to
devote to getting it running. Any suggestions? Thanks. -crebbs
\_ i've never tried it myself but ical (for unix) seems to be
growing in popularity. plus, i heard it works with palm pilots.
if you can get something for tcl/tk or possibly java that would
solve your multiple platform problems.
\_ Get Exchange Server. -completely clueless idiot
\_ Corporate Time <DEAD>www.cst.ca<DEAD> seems OK. And you
don't need to change your mail program. -tom
\_ I believe both the netscape "groupware" stuff has some sort of
calender support. But the "best" IMO is the lotus stuff.
(ccmail->notes->domino)
\_ ccmail is a piece of shit. -tom
\_ true. but it does haev a non-m$ calendar prog, that is
semi-decent. And the upgraded one in notes is actually
pretty good. |
| 1998/10/28-29 [Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:14841 Activity:nil |
10/27 On a relating note Apple is renaming there OS from Mac X too
Mac conFusion 2000. 8^)
\_ On a related note, micro$quish renamed (it's just around the
corner, really, there have only been final betas of NT5, I
mean, windoze Y2K since nineteen ninety seven) their whack
ass-takes-up-hundreds-of-megs-for-nothing OS yet again too. |
| 1998/10/6-7 [Computer/Networking, Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:14743 Activity:high |
10/06 Here's a question for some genius guru out there. I'm on a WAN
using 3-com super-stack II net biulder 221 to connect an ethernet
to a 56.6 connection supplied by the phone company and sent to
server land. Now when i connect a p.c. with a given i.p. add.,
net mask, etc. it seems to work fine, but a MAC with the same
info can only send data of less than 1.5K. I.e. when packet
splitting is involved, it fails. Any ideas of what might be
the problem?? (using mac tcp/ip and open transport versions 1.2)
I know i'm asking for a lot here. - crebbs
\_ You need to use a REAL OS like AmigaOS or Linux which supports
packet splitting in the latest patch!
\_ Amiga eh? Now there's some stat of the art I'd like to get
my hands on. At least they're better than Win95. What isn't?
\_ Sounds like broken path-mtu negotiation. Got an admin out there
stupidly filtering out all icmp? See if you can force a smaller mtu
on your macs and that might fix it. -ERic |
| 1998/8/19-20 [Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:14483 Activity:insanely high |
8/19 what's the deal with Mac claiming that the G3 is 2x faster than
Intel's chips. It even claims to be faster than a PII 400MHz.
Any explainations? Mac's suck by the way...
\_ The greatest factor in determining the speed of a machine is
not necesarilly the processor but how well the operating system
was design and how well it manages memory. Bad OS's tend to
swap things in and out of memory a lot. Most of the time it
isn't the processor that's being overtasked but the i/o system.
Pentiums and G3's are very comparably but the Mac architecture
PII and G3 speeds are very comparable but the Mac architecture
is much cleaner than Intel's. I'm a linux user myself so I opt
for intel machines. Mac's don't really suck. Their OS does.
\_ This claim is mostly specious. So far as I've heard, G3's are
2x faster on one or two things, and comparable or slower in the
rest, and in particular, aren't 2x faster in SPEC. --PeterM
\_ Even PC magazines agree that the G3 is faster than
PII's, if you believe in things like SpecNN. Whether
that will translate to a faster machine is another matter
there is also bus, memory, ... to consider.
But then hey, PowerPC >> x86 long live RISC
\_ About two months ago Ziff-Davis or c|net did a benchmark for
commonly used software between P2's and the notebook G3s. I believe
the results highlighted the dubiousness of Apple's claim. In
particular, the performance of the G3 in floating point intensive
applications like Photoshop was markedly (20-40%?) better in the
P2 than for the lower clock speed G3. The lack of a commonly
known consensus reflects, I feel, the good feelings most
computer journalists and people-in-the-know have towards Apple
and their efforts. That's what I remember.
\_ The G3 might be a faster chip than the PII, but since MacOS
is mostly still written in 68K code, the user experience and
app benchmarks lag because half the time they're in emulation.
\_ Last I checked, Apple's claims are based on Byte's benchmark
tests for integer operations. In these tests, which
don't necessarily reflect real-life speeds, the G3 did
outperform the Intel chips by a wide margin.
\_ And since the benchmark is distributed as source
code, the compiler can seriously affect the results.
Apple has a page on their own website showing a
PowerMac 8500/180 scoring from 3.75 to 10.46 on the
integer test depending on the compiler.
\_ What good is a powerful processor if you dont have well written
software to run on it? Whichever platform runs the software
YOU want better is the better platform.
\_ More importantly, Mac OS can't do multithreading or pre-emptive
multitasking at this moment so their claim is misleading.
\_ BZZZT! MacOS has provided multi-threading for years.
(Available as an add-on to System 7.1, included in 7.5
& later versions). And lack of multi-[threading/tasking]
doesn't make their performance claims any more or less
bogus - CPU speed is CPU speed - how you use it is a
different matter.
\_ Neither can Winblows 2000.
\_Nothing says that you have to run Mac OS on a Mac--check
out LinuxPPC or MK Linux. (And what marketing claims--
from any company--AREN'T misleading?)
\_ Not so. Apple refuses to release specs for their G3
based machines so non-MacOS operating systems can't
be ported to G3 systems (which is unfortunate because
BeOS was about to take off).
\_ Funny, I'm running MkLinux on my G3. linuxppc also
runs on it. BeOS is worthless. -tom
\_ is your G3 an upgrade card by any chance?
\_ no. -tom
\_Not so. You can install it on a G3. See:
<DEAD>linuxppc.org/install/G3<DEAD> and
<DEAD>www.mklinux.apple.com/hardware.html<DEAD> -icrew
\_ Amen.
\-Look analyzing a marketing comment as a technical one
is ridiculous. It is like wondering if that "world's best
apple pie" sign you saw in Visalia was for real. At best they
took some narrow statistic from a fast G3 and compared it to
a slow pentium. --psb
\_ Amen. |
| 1998/8/17-18 [Computer/Companies/Apple, Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:14471 Activity:very high |
8/17 Why does iMac contain both Nevigator and IE? Why would Apple want
to help MS's business?
\_ Does $500M in stock ring a bell?
\_ You mean MS pays Apple to put IE in iMac, not the other way
round? I see.
\_ why would anyone pay for IE?
\_ Not exactly. MS owns $500M of Apple stock.
\_actually, it's $150M in stock. When MS bought the
\_ seen AAPL's price lately? It's alm"ost $500M now.
stock (around this time last year, they signed an
agreement that:
-Cross-licensed all of the patents held by both
companies. (Hence ending the legal problems
of MS "stealing" the Mac OS interface.)
-MS agreed to make feature-equivalent Mac
OS versions of every rev of MS Office for the
next 5 years.
\_ which means they'll be discontinuing the development
of MS Office for a better package.
\_ Heh...
-Apple agreed to make MSIE the "default" browser
on the Mac OS
...among other things. -icrew
\_ there is something rotten in the core of apple.
\_ There is a worm whose name is Steve.
\_ there are bad puns being made.
\_ I BELIEVE IN STEVE
I BELIEVE IN STEVE
I BELIEVE IN STEVE
\_ and i believe that steve
believes in claude
that's me... |
| 1998/5/8 [Computer/SW/OS/OsX, Computer/HW/CPU] UID:14073 Activity:nil |
5/7 Motorola's High-Performance Vector Parallel Processing
Expansion to the PowerPC Architecture
http://www.mot.com/SPS/PowerPC/AltiVec/facts.html --jon
\_ Is this really going to help, if the CPU can't stream data
in and out fast enough? I thought existing CPU's all had
trouble keeping their units fed, let alone a vector unit. --PeterM
\_ Real vector units (which this is not) are much more efficient
at keeping functional units fed for a given memory bandwidth,
as a vector processor can pipeline memory much more efficiently
than a cache based machine. Unfortunately, the vector leinght
on this proposed ISA is WAY WAY WAY too small for this to work.
\_ I think that's why it only exists on backside-cache CPUs?
\_ It'll probably help as much as MMX. -tom
\_ And that's the important thing, isn't it? Because now
future Macs and Mac software can have an "Now optimized
for AltiVec(tm)!" sticker on the outside of them,
thereby assuring sticker and I-dont-know-what-it-means-
but-damn-I-the-consumer-sure-need-it parity with Intel.
Macintosh forever!
\_ and cdaveb can say, "Oh _yeah_? But yer PC's don't
have _AltiVec_!! Neener-neener!"
\_ If you want to read more, MacKido has an article:
http://www.MacKiDo.com/Dojo/AltiVecVsMMX.html |
| 1998/2/10-11 [Computer/SW/Unix, Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:13652 Activity:high |
2/10 Does anyone know an easy way to decode an octet-stream attachment
for word. elm can't handle it. -adr
\_ If it's a word file, the MIME type shouldn't be octet-stream.
Get the bozo who sent it to you to fix his mail program.
\_ Read the message closely : elm means unix usually and word
will be thought of as octet-stream . Uncle Bill does make
UNIX ports of Word.
\_ Bullshit. Word is for Windows and Mac only.
\_ No, Word should be thought of as application/msword. That's
what MIME types are FOR. octet-stream would be something like
a raw binary.
\_ Really? I thought only WordPerfect has UNIX versions. -- yuen
\_ Whether or not there's a Unix version, the MIME type is
application/msword. |
| 1996/10/28 [Computer/SW/OS/Windows, Computer/SW/OS/OsX, Computer/HW/Drives] UID:31960 Activity:nil |
10/27 Is there a way to read Macintosh formatted disks on a PC using
win95 or NT?
\_ http://www.bmug.org |
| 1996/2/12 [Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:31818 Activity:nil |
2/8 Jobs available for people who are Mac and/or PC experts and will be
students next year. Check out:
http://www.reshall.berkeley.edu/rescomp/hiring/hire.html -icrew |
| 1995/2/12 [Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:31763 Activity:nil |
2/11 Save danh. --coganman
\_ and redeem him for valuable cash prizes!
\_ i sure get a lot more dates since I lost my soda account - danh
\_ danh is the MAC DADDY. -dpetrou
\_ slay danh, he's taking all the grlz.
\_ he'll never get iicart, heh. Mine.
\_ i saw her first - danh
\_ no you didn't. satanvoice probably scared her off
anyways. |
| 1993/11/15 [Computer/Companies/Apple, Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:31425 Activity:nil |
11/15 The beginning of the end. Apple is now selling a Mac with a 486
and MS-DOS 6.2. Micro$oft will own the world soon. |
| 1993/6/1 [Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:31335 Activity:nil |
5/31 Layers 1.30 (a multi-window protocol) is now installed in
s /usr/local/bin. Mac-side is available in ~jsjacob/pub/MacLayers.
PC-side (not tested by me) is in ~jsjacob/pub/PCLayers. -- jsjacob |
| 1993/5/26-28 [Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:31328 Activity:nil |
5/24 | MacLayers 1.30 - Mac end in ~kenji/bin; new 'layers' UNIX front-end
| compiled by jsjacob and in ~jsjacob/bin for testing. - kenji
| |
| 11/23 |