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2022/06/25 [General] UID:1000 Activity:popular

2011/4/9-20 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux, Computer/SW/OS/Windows] UID:54080 Activity:nil
4/9     The Commodore 64 is out:
        It can play 8-bit games.  It even has a clicking keyboard.
2011/2/11-19 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux, Computer/SW/Security] UID:54036 Activity:nil
2/10    Debian 6.0 squeeze is the new stable.  Do we dare a dist-upgrade?
        \_ the key for has changed btw.
2010/2/26-3/30 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux, Industry/Jobs] UID:53727 Activity:nil
        There are bold programmers, but no old programmers
        \_ This is true, mot ppl i knokw who are older seem to want to "get out
           of programming."  They have kids, they want to do other things.
           \_ There was an article about how programming isn't that rewarding
              as an end game to most normal (non psychologically troubled) folk
              \_ show us the article. Yeah a lot of the old farts at my work
                 who still program seem psychologically... different.
2009/8/17-9/1 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux] UID:53274 Activity:nil
8/14    weird, Zone Alarm free seems to notice when my linux machines
        apt-get upgrade (specifically i get popups from my zafree box on
        my lan that says 'we have prevented <ip for lin box> from connecting
        to (real server) ).  Weird.  I guess ZAF is in
        promisc mode?
2009/7/8-16 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux] UID:53125 Activity:nil
7/8     can we install wexus?
        \_ Not a debian package.  Can you install it locally?
2009/7/8-16 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:53124 Activity:nil
7/7     what happened to our web presence?
        not working
    \_ That would be because we've yet to set them up afaik. Steven *does* have
    a job after all. The idea is that we want a separate computer mounting the
    web directories, so that if an exploit compromises the webserver, the shell
    server (soda) itself will be insulated from the attack.
        \_ That would be because we've yet to set them up afaik. Steven *does*
           have a job after all. The idea is that we want a separate computer
           mounting the web directories, so that if an exploit compromises the
           webserver, the shell server (soda) itself will be insulated from
           the attack.
          \_ Ideally I wouldn't be the only one doing this shit :-p --steven
             \_ understood. I can help out. What's the root password?
        \_ can you install Lift?  Word in the radlab is that it's the
           new sexy hotness.
           \_ Not a debian package.  Can you install it locally?
2009/6/24-7/3 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:53082 Activity:nil
6/24    Debian GNU/Linux 5.0

Ahoy there weary traveler -
This is indeed the brand spanking new Soda.
We'll be enabling logins again soon - just
want to make sure all the infrastructure
is in place and ready for everyone to hammer
on it.  Please direct questions to

CSUA Root Staff
2009/5/4-6/5 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA] UID:52942 Activity:nil 55%like:49792
Linux soda 2.6.26-2-686 #1 SMP Thu Mar 26 01:08:11 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux

Welcome to Soda Mark VII, a dual Xeon 2.8GHz, please enjoy your stay.
2009/5/4-6 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux, Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:52939 Activity:moderate
5/4     I would appreciate a reliability ranking between:
        1) OpenBSD
        2) OpenSolaris
        3) FreeBSD
        4) Debian-Stable
        5) Suse Linux Enterprise Server
        \_ No RedHat?
        \_ This is going to depends greatly on the applications you are
        \_ This is going to depend greatly on the applications you are
           running. All of these operating systems are going to be reliable
           out of the box, at least as compared to MacOS or Windows.
           Relative to each other I'm not sure there's much difference. I
           think you are asking the wrong question to make your decision.
           Other factors are going to be far more important.
        \_ Think you'll also get a lot easier support if you use RedHat or
           one of its many incarnations like CentOS since it seems to be the
           most common enterprise Linux out there.
        \_ it no longer matters for most of applications.  I would urge you
           look at other factors, such as software avaliability, etc.
        \_ Reliability has a lot more to do with the quality of your process
           than the OS you run on, at least if you run on a reasonable
           non-M$ OS like any of the above.
2009/4/16-20 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux, Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:52858 Activity:nil
4/15    RIDE BIKE! RUN L1NUX! GO TO JAIL: [eff]
2009/4/16-6/29 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux] UID:52852 Activity:low
Linux http://soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU 2.6.26-2-amd64 #1 SMP Sun Jun 21 04:47:08 UTC 2009 x86_64

The programs included with the Debian GNU/Linux system are free software;
the exact distribution terms for each program are described in the
individual files in /usr/share/doc/*/copyright.

Debian GNU/Linux comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY, to the extent
permitted by applicable law.
2009/2/25-3/3 [Computer/HW/CPU, Computer/SW/OS/Linux] UID:52632 Activity:nil
2/25    $100 Plug  computer:
        \_ Kind of cool, but also a bit misleading.  Still,
           outside of file serving that should be able to do
           almost everything a home server needs to do
2009/1/20-26 [Computer/SW/OS, Computer/HW/Display, Computer/SW/OS/Linux] UID:52419 Activity:kinda low
1/20    when I do "cat /proc/sys/kernel/tainted"
        I got a single number "1"
        what does this mean?
        \_ I think this refers to whether you've got any non-open-source drivers
           loaded, but I'm not sure.
        \_ I think this refers to whether you've got any non-open-source
           drivers loaded, but I'm not sure.
           \_ Right.  "1" means you have at least one non-open-source driver
              loaded, which is probably what's causing your system crashes.
              You can run "lsmod" to see what's loaded -- look for "nvidia",
              "ndiswrapper", and "vmmon", which are some of the most common
              closed-source drivers.  If you don't see any of those, post
              your lsmod output somewhere and we'll have a look.
              \_ it's nvidia.  Every time my computer crashes is because some
                 UI things from compiz.  It is funny how a bad driver would
                 totally destory the percieved notion of stability of an OS.
                 I am downloading the latest driver now.
                                        -OP kngharv
                 \_ It's not funny, really.  Assuming that's the only third-
                    party kernel module you're using, there are exactly two
                    pieces of code on your computer that have the power to
                    crash your whole system: the Linux kernel itself, and
                    that closed-source nvidia driver you're loading.  That's
                    why the very first response to your question was "check
                    for proprietary drivers".  If your still get crashes with
                    for proprietary drivers".  If you still get crashes with
                    the latest nvidia driver, there are two things you can
                    do: report the bug to Nvidia and hope they fix it, or
                    stop using their closed-source driver and switch to the
                    (much slower, but stable) open-source nvidia driver that
                    comes with your system.
           \_ yep -- it should correspond with the 'tainted' designator in
        \_ I AM TAINT FREE
2009/1/15-22 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux] UID:52387 Activity:nil
1/15    What is the Debian/Ubuntu equivalent of Centos/Redhat PXE booting
        and Anaconda?
         \_ If you mean PXE+Anaconda+kickstart, the answer is PXE+FAI
         \_ Check out System Imager. I much prefer it to kickstart because
            you can get an almost exact image in minutes without a lot of
            effort and it is OS agnostic.
2022/06/25 [General] UID:1000 Activity:popular

2008/12/19-28 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:52283 Activity:nil
12/19   what's your favourite unicode api for linux/unix?
        \_ qt, definately.  QtString::Utf8 4tw.
           \_ I don't like their license. - !op
           \_ anything else?
2008/12/18-2009/1/2 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux, Computer/SW/OS/Windows] UID:52273 Activity:nil
12/18   Are any of you using any kind of scheme involving, e.g., running
        multiple copies of web browsers in virtual machines so that the
        copy you use for random web browsing is isolated from the copy you
        use for financial transactions? What other sorts of schemes like
        this are people using that aren't a total PITA? P.S. I am talking
        mainly about Windows; on Unixes you could always run stuff under
        a different user account, which might be doable on windows too,
        but I'm not clear on all the details.
        \_ most obvious solutino:  USE LINUX!
        \_ most obvious solution:  USE LINUX!
           \_ I'm not going to make my mother use Linux.
              \_ How about MacOS then?
              \_ Then you may be missing out. Ubuntu 8.10 has enough
                 features for most of the surfing your mom is likely to
        \_ parallels/vmware/virtualbox. hit revert after every frivolous
           web search that is non business, non academic.  make sure to turn
           off clipboard, filesharing, all host<->guest access.
           \_ You don't need to go to all that trouble. Just run something
              like sandboxie.
2008/12/7-10 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux] UID:52189 Activity:low
12/6    I'm running 64bit VMWare 2.0 in debian lenny/testing.  I have 18
        guest VMs running, all in bridged mode.  Works great.  the 19th VM
        I turn on has no working network.  No net, dhcp/tftp doesn't work,
        nothing.  Can anyone think of a network or kernel setting in Linux
        that would prevent any more VMs from getting network access?
        Is there a limit on number of bridge interfaces?  Where is this
        setting?  - danh
        \_ I don't know, but running 18 VMs on one computer is pretty badass.
           \_ I have DUAL CORE.
           Speaking of which, I want to make a sandboxed network where only one
           of the computers has access to the outside world (since I don't want
           to impact my home network at all). What's the best way to do this?
           \_ running 18 VMs isn't crazy.  Modern web apps consist of a load
              balancer, a few webservers and dbs thrown in.
              \_ What's the point of running VMs on one real machine and then
                 run a load balancer in the VMs?  Why not just run the web app
                 on the real machine?  There's much less overhead.
                 \_ for testing, not production.
        \_ ask vmw support  There may be a limit there
2008/11/14-26 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux, Computer/SW/OS/Solaris] UID:51989 Activity:moderate
11/14   lulz why doesn't GOOG buy JAVA i mean SUN i mean whatever the hell they
        are these days.
        \_ Even GOOG isn't THAT stupid
           \_ Sorry, but WHY would Google do something like that? They
              run 99.2% Linux servers on the backend. They don't use
              Solaris for development. I mean, what does Sun have to
              offer to anyone these days?
              \_ ZFS, some SMP goodness, a quality OS, some neat stuff
                 like containers, Java, and MySQL but I'll admit it's not
                 much which is why the price is where it is. Sun has more
                 to offer than Apple does in terms of technology, but
                 can't seem to connect with users the way Apple does.
                 \_ Apple is a consumer electronics company, not a
                    technology company.  Sun's "quality" OS is being
                    phased out virtually everywhere it's implemented.  -tom
                    \_ It is true that Solaris is dying, but it is not because
                       it is inferior.
                       \_ So?  It's proprietary, it's slow-moving, it's
                          expensive.  If they'd community-sourced it 10 years
                          ago it might have beat out Linux, but at this point
                          it's dead.  -tom
                          \_ It's not proprietary nor expensive. I'm not
                             sure what slow-moving means in this context.
                             \_ It's not proprietary?  I can release
                                "Tom's Kewl Solaris Distribution," and
                                mirror all the patches Sun puts out?  Don't
                                think so.  Slow-moving means it's slow to
                                support new hardware, it's slow to get vendor
                                support for commercial/propietary applications,
                                it has poor support from most open source
                                packages as well.   -tom
                                \_ People do that with Redhat all the time.
        \_ Google is fundamentally an advertisement company.  Sun is a
           computer hardware company.  What kind of "synergy" you are thinking
           \_ I would say Sun is a software company at this point.
              \_ I work at the software side of Sun.  and don't I wish
                Sun is a software company.  But consider that almost 90% of
                the revenue is coming from hardware sales, I would consider
                it is still a hardware company more than anything else.
                \_ And yet it's not, because SPARC is all-but-dead. The
                   only value-added Sun has is in software. They better
                   figure that out right quick.
                   \_ This is similar to the problem Apple faced in
                      the mid 90s.  People were saying they needed to
                      license the OS to grow the market share for the
                      platform, but 80%+ of company revenues were from
                      hardware.  They licensed the OS, got taken to
                      the cleaners by clone makers, and tanked badly
                      while failing to grow market share.  Jobs came
                      in and focused the company on hardware, found an
                      effective niche and has been quite successful.
                      If Sun were to transition from being a hardware
                      company to being a software company, they'd have
                      to be prepared to cut 50%+ of their workforce,
                      and make a strong case for why the new software
                      company is something that businesses should be
                      investing in, which will be difficult since
                      businesses are currently deciding to get rid of
                      Sun software.  Sun actually has some decent
                      commodity Intel servers these days, but that's
                      not going to save them.  -tom
2008/9/25-29 [Computer/SW/OS/Windows, Computer/SW/OS/Linux] UID:51289 Activity:nil
9/25    Man, finally got Linux bck on my desktop.  Windows seriously sucks.
        When even my computer illiterate wife prefers Linux to Vista, MS
        has a problem.
2008/8/27-9/3 [Computer/HW/Laptop, Computer/SW/OS/Linux] UID:50980 Activity:nil
8/27    I have a rather large linux partition.  I just got a new laptop
        and want to move all my settings and customization to that new
        computer.  how to do this?  I tried remastersys but it seems that it
        get stuck somewhere, and I am hoping it is not really trying to create
        a 26GB iso file.
        any ideas?  is there anyway i can back up my debian package database
        and do it that way?   i am running Ubuntu Hardy.   Thanks
        \_ Put both drives on a network and use rsync on the filesystem.
        \_ When I was a POW, partitions had US!
2008/8/26-9/3 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux] UID:50974 Activity:nil
8/26 seems down and I'm unable to install git-core via
        macports. is there anything I can do to get this installed? thx
        \_ sure,  use the magic Facebook mirror
           \_ amazing! thanks. that worked. so this is like the new
              and improved (tm) wayback machine?
           \_ amazing! thanks. that worked.
        \_ in the future, you could also try www{2,3,4},
2008/7/31-8/2 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux] UID:50751 Activity:nil
Linux soda 2.6.18-6-686 #1 SMP Fri Jun 6 22:22:11 UTC 2008 i686

The programs included with the Debian GNU/Linux system are free software;
the exact distribution terms for each program are described in the
individual files in /usr/share/doc/*/copyright.

Debian GNU/Linux comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY, to the extent
permitted by applicable law.
2008/7/29-8/5 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux] UID:50715 Activity:nil
7/29    Is there a verbose option for shutdown in RedHat Linux? I'd really
        like to see the messages being generated without have to 'tail
        /var/log/messages' over and over.
        \_ stick this in your .bashrc
           "alias mtail="sudo tail -F --retry /var/log/messages"
           and do it in another window after you type shutdown
           \_ >.< Silly me, forgot the option to "follow" with tail. This
              will do nicely. Thank you.
        \_ login in on console and watch th shutdown process there?
2008/7/22-28 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux] UID:50653 Activity:kinda low
7/22    Do you say Lin-nex or Line-nex?
        \_ This has been settled.  Torvalds is on record as calling it "Lin-nex".
        \_ This has been settled.  Torvalds is on record as calling it "Lin-
        \_ When Linus visited Berkeley, he said "My name is Li-nus so I say
           Li-nux".  Pronounce it how you like.
           \_ What are other examples of a popular product with
              ambiguous pronunciations?
              \_ Jag-wire vs. Jag-u-war
                        \_ The manufacturer says "Jag-u-war", so that's how
                           the car is to be pronounced.  I also think the
                           manufacturer's insistence on this pronunciation
                           for a common word is stupid.
                           \- i hear more discussions about "porsche"
                           \_ Hint: where did the Jaguar brand originate?
                           \_ If the tv ads are to be followed as a guide,
                               the pronuncation is closer to 'jag-u-wah'
              \_ flick-are vs. flicker
              \_ Porsche.  I've heard "Porsh" and "Por-sha".
              \_ GIF.  "Gif" vs. "Jif".
                 \- chmod > shmod, jig > gif, porsha > porshe, although first
                    two are the only ones i have strong feelings about.
                    and it's "the internet", not "internet".
              \_ Nikon.  "Nite-con" vs. "Nic-con" vs. "Nee-con".  The second
                 one is used in Hong Kong.  The last one is the pronounciation
                 in Japan, which originated from the original Japanese name of
                 the company Nippon Kogaku (literally "Japan Optics").
                 \_ Never heard the first term ever. Where does the "t"
                    come from?
           \_ Of course, the question is how to pronounce Linus. Torvalds
              pronounces Linus differently from Charlie Brown.
           \_ I read in the mid-90s he pronounced it Lee-nooks, consistent
              with Swedish pronunciation.
        \_ You cannot imagine how unimportant it is how your pronounce 'linux'
2008/6/19-24 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux] UID:50299 Activity:nil
6/19    Where can I find Linux source code's implementation of rand/srand?
        \_ On Linux you can also use /dev/random
        \_ The source code for that would be ni the glibc source. -ERic
2008/6/4-10 [Computer/SW/Languages/Java, Computer/SW/OS/Linux] UID:50150 Activity:nil
6/4     jobs jobs jobs.  Wavemarket in emeryville is hiring java guys.
        see /csua/pub/jobs/wavemarket for description and contact email.
        I'm also putting together a req. for a SysAdmin (debian mostly) or
        half-SysAdmin,half-Operations person.  You can contact me directly
        if you, or someone you know, is interested in that. -crebbs
        \_ What's the difference between SA and Operations Person?
         \_ SA: Machines run.  Operations: our software is still running
            on those machines.  More or less.
         \_ The above is pretty good.  In this case the primary difference
            is that SA is working for me and the Operations job is working
            for the Director of Operations.  The operations part requires
            more job requests from the few non-technical people we have.
            Maybe running/automating reports, and that kind of thing.
            (In the language of the above poster: "How is our software
            running on those machines"? ) Though, there is a cross-over,
            which is why it may be one person doing both jobs.  -crebbs
2008/5/20-23 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux] UID:50014 Activity:nil
5/20    Q: Which is faster, a 146GB 15K RPM SAS disk or a 300GB 15K RPM
           SAS disk? I read that a larger drive is faster (more density
           means more data at hand) and also slower (more area to
           traverse). So which is it?
        \_ will a) provide you tons of raw data and b) show
           you that there are different kinds of fast.
           \_ Thanks. Short answer: Bigger is better.
              \_ boobs, penis, cars, what else?
                 \_ Paychecks, wallets.
2008/5/14-16 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux] UID:49941 Activity:nil
5/14    debian people, recompile:
        \- and ubuntu
           \_ Which is derived from debian.
        \_ Argh. What are some inexpensive certificate authorities?
2008/4/21-2009/5/3 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux] UID:49792 Activity:nil 61%like:42770 55%like:52942
Linux soda 2.6.18-6-686 #1 SMP Sun Feb 10 22:11:31 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux

Welcome to Macintosh^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^HSoda Mark VII,
a dual Xeon 2.8GHz with many hozers.
2007/12/11-14 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux, Computer/SW/WWW/Server] UID:48785 Activity:nil
12/11   Apache/Linux question: I've got apache 2.0.52 on an idle redhat
        box (2.6.9-55 kernel).  Every so often one to four apache procs
        will run the cpu at 100% for any where from 15 to 90 mins, then
        drop back to normal.  USR and SYS time both increase to levels
        that the production boxes don't reach when serving traffic at
        noon.  I've checked apache and linux kernel versions, several
        /etc files, httpd.conf vs. boxes that don't do this.  Nothing
        interesting shows in the logs.  This is supposed to be a clone
        of other boxes that don't do this.  Reinstalling from scratch
        is not an option for various reasons.   Any ideas?  thanks.
        \_ strace them to see what the hell they are doing.
        \_ Perhaps you have been hacked?
2007/11/14-21 [Computer/SW/OS/OsX, Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD, Computer/SW/OS/Linux] UID:48636 Activity:moderate
11/14   Any reason I should format my disk in JFS or XFS or REISERFS
        instead of good old EXT3 (this is Linux, obviously) ?
        \_ XFS supports larger filesystems than ext3, which may or may not
           matter to you.
           \_ The "larger" filesystem quantifier is no longer big of an
               \_ What if I really do want to get rid of her?

              issue, especially if you're using 64-bit OS. But if you're
              working with large files, this is where xfs shines. ReiserFS
              is still better at handling many small files. I have no
              experience with JFS. Last I used ReiserFS, it had no
              dump/restore tools, which may or may not matter to you.
        \_ if you go with resierfs, your wife might go missing and you get
           the blame for her disappearance!
           \_ Don't kill your wife and it won't be a problem.
               \_ What if I really do want to get rid of her?
                  \_ Divorce is less risky than murder.
        \_ I still haven't found a fs format that plays well with mac / windows
           and unix all at the same time.  Fat32 is a weak kludge ,
           and it won't handle files larger than 1 gig i believe.
           \_ There's now an ext2/ext3 driver availiable for Windows.  I use
           \_ There's now an ext2/ext3 driver available for Windows.  I use
              that for my shared drive now rather than Fat32. I don't know
              about Mac.
              \_ is it reliable?  do you trust it?
                 \_ Well, I haven't had any trouble with it.  Of course, I'm
                    not doing anything all that important either, and it's all
                    backed up.  It's not the most user friendly thing in the
                    world.  It doesn't automount the ext2 drives, for example.
                    Here's the link.
              \_ Did zfs end up in Leopard, or was it pulled before release?
                 There are slow-but-working zfs support for linux and windows,
                 as well as ports to freebsd and of course, opensolaris.
        \_ ext3 does not support online defragmentation.
        \_ We looked at all four file systems a few years back and ext3 was
           the most reliable by far. JFS is a distant second, but there are
           still cases in the code where a power outage at the wrong time will
           lead to massive data loss. XFS does not support errors during
           journal replay (by design) and thus is TOTALLY UNSUITABLE for any
           data you really care about (again, by design). The last I looked,
           ReiserFS had some fundamental errors / race conditions in journal
           replay. When it is my data, I use ext3. --twohey
           \- i'm curious how much of your finding were things flawed-by-
              design vs. implementations bugs [which could have been fixed
              since], as well as if you were just looking at the potential for
              irrecoverable data loss, or worst case performance issues
              [like some fs+hardware combos seem to have problems with
              high metarate operation rates, or concurrency etc]. anyway,
              if you have some ptrs to papers you think have still relevant
              results, i'd be interested. [btw, have you seen ibm gpfs?
              that fs blew me away from day 1]. --psb
              \_ How much is gpfs?
                 \- One Million Dollars, Mr. Bond.
              \_ It has been about 5 years but XFS+Linux was horrible at that
                 time.  We lost a lot of data on Linux XFS.  SGI XFS was like
                 magic, though.  We brutally punished an SGI box and it kept
                 on ticking.
           \_ You might want to try Veritas' VxFS.  They give it away with
              VxVM in a combination called "Storage Foundation Basic".  I think
              they limit the number of file systems you can use in the free
              \_ Thanks for pointing out the freebie version.
              \_ I've always wondered about VxFS, but never had a chance to
                 get my hands on it. What are some of the advanced features
                 it provides over usual list of linux/bsd file systems?
2007/11/12-16 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:48623 Activity:nil
11/12   how do i make a fail safe magical backup for my debian box
        that i can quickly boot from if the box explodes?
        \_ keep a linux live boot cd around for just such an emergency
           \_ And learn about 'dd'
        \_ I was hoping there was something as slick as CCC, for unix.
           \_ You can first duplicate the disk offline with dd, then just
              keep it up to date with regularly scheduled rsync, which
              should work fine as long as you're using a bootloader like
              grub that understands the filesystem rather than lilo.  A
              more elaborate system would be to use a filesystem that
              allows snapshotting, but probably unnecessary in most cases
              if databases aren't involved.
2007/10/5-9 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux] UID:48245 Activity:nil
10/5    Anyone used Veritas on Redhat?  I've used it on Solaris where it
        worked great but not on Redhat.  How well does it work?  Can it
        dynamically extend a pre-existing volume without unmounting?  Thanks!
2007/9/8-10 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux] UID:47950 Activity:nil
9/8     Linux Genuine Advantage cracked:
2007/9/7-10 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux] UID:47926 Activity:nil
9/6     NSFW: At least she runs Linux!:
        \_ How can you tell that's linux?
           \_ There is a redhat linux box in the bottom corner.
              \_ Oh!  I was only looking at the screen. :-)
                 \_ Doesn't mean it is installed on anything.
        \_ What's NSFW about this?
2007/8/10-13 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux] UID:47575 Activity:nil
8/9     My man pages are displaying incorrectly with \fBupdate\fR
        instead of displaying update in bold or whatever. Any ideas why?
        It happens on soda as well as other debian boxes I have.
        It happend using Terminal and xterm on my MacBook.
        \_ export TERM=vt100
           \_ I tried that. it doesn't make a difference.
              \_ export TERM=xterm
                  \_  I tried that also. problem persists. It also
                      happens from a knoppix linux desktop, so I think
                      the problem is the debian servers.
2007/7/11 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux] UID:47262 Activity:kinda low
7/11    Politics is for dumb people. Let's talk Linux!
        \_ RIDE BIKE!
        \_ Ok, talk linux.  What do you think of 64 bit linux?  When do you
           think linux will be ready for the desktop?  How does gplv3 hurt or
           help your company?
        \_ It is never the crime that does you in, it is the coverup
           afterwards that gets you.
        \_ I love how a conspiracy to commit a misdeamenor is a felony
2007/6/27-29 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux, Computer/SW/OS/Windows] UID:47079 Activity:nil
6/27    HANS
        \_ Kinda of a useless article.  Trying to make up for lack of info
           with a creepy writing style.
2007/6/11-13 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux, Computer/SW/OS/Windows] UID:46914 Activity:moderate
6/11    Leopard shipping in October.
        Basic version, $129.
        Premium version, $129.
        Business version, $129,
        Enterprise version $129.
        Ultimate version, $129.
        LOSE A TURN, $0
        \_ Doesn't make vista look too bad, $129 for a once a year upgrade..
           \_ FYI, 10.4 was released in 2005, and 10.3 was released in
        \_ Why so many versions when they are all priced the same?
           \_ What is in it that is worth buying a whole new OS instead of
              them releasing it as a free patch?
                 \_ In 10.5, the entire OS will be 64 bit and will support
                    ZFS. It also has a new finder, the automatic backup
                    system, multiple desktops, an updated bootcamp (alt.
                    OS booting), better support for core duo procs, &c.
                    All of this is a bit much to make available as a free
                    \_ really?  ZFS?  64 bit?  really? i personally don't
                       think anyone really needs 64 bit unless you're
                                                  \- your brain has personally
                                                     been classified as 2 bit.
                       modelling the big bang, but macs are all 64 bit now?
                       \_ ZFS will be available, though it won't be the
                          default (if reports are to be believed). All G5s
                          and Intel Core 2 Duo based Macs are 64bit afaik.
                          I think that most people who edit large video
                          files will welcome the 64bit support.
              \_ No idea, I run Linux.  I was just saying that a $130 upgrade
                 every [2] years costs more than XP->Vista over 6 years.  Of
                 course, I was trying to say this in a somewhat amusing fashion\
       \_ Why so many versions when they are all priced the same?
                 course, I was trying to say this in a somewhat amusing fashion
                 \_ How often do you keep the same computer for 6 years?
                    Remember these are macs, so the upgradability suffers.
                    I tend to buy a new computer every 3 years or so (and
                    gift/sell the old computer to someone who is less of
                    a geek than me) and hey look, new os!
                    \_ Every 6 to 8 years.  Unless you're playing FPS at
                       high-res or flight sims or something you don't need
                       more.  It takes about 6+ years for enough parts to
                       break or simply rust out enough to be worth replacing
                       the whole thing.
                       \_ Try thinking back to 2001.  It's unlikely you
                          are still using a 2001 computer.
                          \_ Nonsense.  I bought a new computer 14 months ago.
                             My previous computer was from around 1998.
                             \_ Really?  What's the spec of your 1998 computer?
                 \_ MS wants to upgrade their OS on a 3-year cycle; they just
                    were way behind schedule with Vista.
               \_ Why so many versions when they are all priced the same?
                  \_ It's a joke, son.  Laugh.
           \_ I make funny.
              \_ Wow, Steve has a soda account?
2007/5/16 [Recreation/Stripclub, Computer/SW/OS/Linux] UID:46665 Activity:nil 92%like:46668
5/16    Ugly naked woman to be the spokeperson for linux:
2007/4/17 [Computer/SW/Editors/Emacs, Computer/SW/OS/Linux] UID:46334 Activity:nil 77%like:46339
4/17    In Linux 2.6, if two users runs Emacs 21 to open the same 100MB file
        for viewing, do the two processes eat up ~200MB of RAM or swap space
        just for that file?  Thanks.
2007/4/6-9 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux] UID:46224 Activity:nil
4/6     Is there something like this for Linux?
        \_ I haven't used it because I don't really run Linux on any of my
           desktop boxen, but I saw this a while back and thought it looked
2007/3/13-17 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux] UID:45959 Activity:nil
3/13    Anyone want to move to Seattle and take a job as a Linux System
        Administrator?  Take a look at, then email tsang@soda
        for more details.  We need exactly those skills that were so
        roundly labeled as "irrelevant" while soda was down... and they've
        become harder to find, apparently.  -- tsang
        \_ for company claiming to be a 'search' company, having 0 results
           come up from a simple keyword search for Linux under the careers
           section doesn't bode well.
           \_ Careers -> Current Open Positions -> Job Title = Linux Systems
              Administrator... then email me!  (I'll try to find out why
              the search doesn't work.)  --tsang
2007/3/6-7 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux] UID:45888 Activity:very high
3/6     I love running debian. The DST fix was all of:
        apt-get update
        apt-get install tzdata
        \_ apt-get install tzdata
                Reading Package Lists... Done
                Building Dependency Tree... Done
                E: Couldn't find package tzdata
        \_ Yeah, that's great, if you are running
           testing.  (Is Etch even two years old?
           I'm surprised it NEEDS a fix.)  If you
           are running stable, the package the
           pkg that needs to be updated is libc6
        \_ Big deal.  FreeBSD (even really old versions):
           * update the ports area if necessary
           * cd /usr/ports/misc/zoneinfo/
           * make install clean
           * tzsetup
        \_ If you are running testing.  (Is Etch even two years old?
           I'm surprised it NEEDS a fix.)  If you are running stable,
           the package that needs to be updated is libc6
        \_ With Red Hat it's even easier.
        \_ but how do you know that you need to do that?
           also, "apt-get" is a stupid name :) I like "pacman" (from the
           Arch Linux distro I think)
           \_ If memory serves, tzdata is a core required package so it would
              get updated auotmagically when you perform a routine system
              update. -dans
           \_ In debian etch, I think things are moving towards "aptitude"
              as a replacement for apt-get.
        \_ This cracks me up. I wasn't criticizing any other system, I was just
           happy that it was so easy to fix.  I'm amazed at the responses. -op
2007/2/23-25 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux] UID:45812 Activity:nil
2/23    hot debian biches
        \_ You're being: sarcastic?  ironic?  woman hating?  troll?
           I can't figure out why you'd post this and use that byline.
2007/1/17-25 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux] UID:45556 Activity:nil
1/17    Flash 9 Player out for linux x86 (supposedly):
2007/1/12-16 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux, Computer/SW/Unix/WindowManager] UID:45538 Activity:nil
1/12    Boy, the quality of posts have gone down since soda went down. I
        need an alternative emotional outlet, where I can rant and bitch
        and dump my emotions. What should I use? Slashdot is a jungle. has too many fanatics. Don't even get me started on blogs
        and other trash on the net. I NEED AN ALTERNATIVE!!@@!@   -soda addict
        \_ Yeah, the motd does remind me of this Monty Python sketch a bit:
2006/12/17-19 [Computer/SW/Apps/Media, Computer/SW/OS/Linux, Computer/SW/OS/Windows] UID:45458 Activity:nil
12/17   Yay I'm the person of the year! ME!!! I'm so special, just
        like everyone else!
2006/12/8-30 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux] UID:45420 Activity:nil
Login: motd                             Name: Message of the Day
Directory: /csua/home/motd              Shell: /nonexistent
Never logged in.
Mail last read Tue Oct 10 12:28 2006 (PDT)
Linux soda 2.6.17-soda0 #1 SMP Tue Nov 14 22:15:06 PST 2006 i686

The programs included with the Debian GNU/Linux system are free software;
the exact distribution terms for each program are described in the
individual files in /usr/share/doc/*/copyright.

Debian GNU/Linux comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY, to the extent
permitted by applicable law.
2006/11/28-12/8 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux] UID:45380 Activity:kinda low
11/28   French Parliament switches to Linux:
        \- MerdeOS
           \_ Hi partha!  So if I recall our discussion a while back, Linux
              couldn't do the high performance networking you needed for your
              pet project, ergo the entire OS must suck.  Awesome!
2006/11/2-4 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux] UID:45118 Activity:nil
11/02   M$ to "support" SuSE: (
        I guess RH's days are numbered.
        \_ RH has horrible response/support and high prices.  We have a few
           zillion seats and they made it very clear they couldn't care less
           about our business.  The distro team is currently investigating
           other options.  Bye RH.
           \_ There aren't many other options.
              \_ I've been seeing lots of corporations switching from RH
                 to SuSE, mostly b/c they can continue to use RPMS, &c.
                 but they don't have to deal w/ RH's BS. I have not seen
                 much interest in CentOS (but that is probably b/c there
                 isn't a big company behind it).
              \_ There are enough options and we only need one.  And now
                 Oracle is providing another that wasn't available when we
                 first started looking into dumping RH.  One way or another
                 we *will* dump RH.  They suck, they are history at this
                 shop, and they don't care about the loss.
                 \_ What do you mean? Isn't Oracle providing support for RH?
                    I'd dump RH, but realistically more apps are supported
                    under RH.
                    \_ Yes I just said the Oracle thing. ???.  We don't need
                       support for Joe's Open Source Kewlness Doom3 Clone App.
                       We need support for core OS, patches, RPM updates, etc.
                       \_ If Oracle is providing support for RH,  and you
                          go with that then how exactly are you dumping
                          RH? You would still be using RH.
                          \_ Easy.  Oracle gets the money, not RH.  If we went
                             that way.  They also charge less.  It's just one
                             more option being considered but most likely
                             we'll change to a different vendor entirely and
                             ditch RH entirely as fast as possible once a final
                             decision has been made.
2006/10/25-27 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux] UID:44959 Activity:kinda low
10/25   Fedora Core 6 is out:
        \_ Anyone still use Fedora Core?
           \_ Why wouldn't they?
              \_ Because Ubuntu is a better and more popular distro?
                 \_ In what way is it better than RH/SuSE/Debian?
                    Will most commerical software for RH/SuSE run
                    w/o problems on Ubuntu, or do you have to do
                    a hack job to get it to work?
              \_ Because it's a bleeding edge product with an aggressive
                 EOL timeline and no real advantage over more stable
                 products like CentOS.  -tom
                 \_ Depends on if you use RHEL as your production
                    environment. If so, then it makes sense to use Fedora
                    Core on some systems if you are looking ahead. Ubuntu
                    and CentOS don't really fill that need. If you do not
                    use RHEL, then I guess you don't care.
                 \_ Many of my customers hesitated about deploying
                    on CentOS b/c they didn't really believe that
                    is was RH compatible. For some reason, the same
                    was not true of Fedora Core. They viewed it as
                    a way of testing stuff out on a pre-release of
                    \_ Exactly. The "for some reason" is that they both
                       are Red Hat products.
                       \_ So FC is a complete RH inhouse job like
                          in the old days (ie before RH9)? I thought
                          that it was spun off into the open source
                          "community" and that RH merely supervised.
                          \_ "The Fedora Project is maintained and
                             driven by the community and sponsored by
                             Red Hat, Inc."  From
                             One look at that web site should show that
                             you should not be running Fedora in any
                             production environment.  -tom
                             \_ Don't run in production != don't run
                                at all. As above, it's useful for testing
                                pre-release. FC basically ends up becoming
2006/10/19-24 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers, Computer/SW/OS/Linux] UID:44865 Activity:nil
10/18   Flashplayer 9 Beta for Linux is out:
        \_ Excellent.  My last obstacle to migrating to linux was the ability
           to play dice wars and see youtube.
2006/10/17-18 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux, Computer/HW/Display] UID:44847 Activity:nil
10/17   Nvidia Linux driver has a buffer overflow allowing for local
        and remote root exploit:
        \_ That's not a remote root exploit; it can only be triggered by
           someone running X on console.  -tom
           \_ A remote X client can take advantage of the exploit IF
              X is being run on console; and my understanding is that
              most linux users still run X on console.
              \_ But the remote X client would have to be allowed to connect
                 to the X server in the first place, the way I read it;
                 that should usually not be the case.  -tom
2006/10/16-18 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux] UID:44838 Activity:nil
10/16   Any comments on IceWeasel?  I think they should call the Debian
        fork "DireFox" instead.
        \_ Phyrefawkes
        \_ Debian releases are always old, maybe they should call it
2006/9/20-22 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux, Computer/HW/Laptop] UID:44473 Activity:kinda low
9/20    What's the fucking package manager on Slackware Linux?  How hard is it to,
        say, install Ruby?
        \_ i know you don't want to hear this but you really should be using
           a different linux distro
           \_ i would say he really shouldn't be any linux distro if he's
              asking a question like that.
              \_ Sheesh.  I was actually thinking of using Vector Linux
                 (which is based on slackware) on a 10 year old laptop for
                 a specific application.  Vector Linux is supposed to work
                 well on old hardware.  I can't test it because I don't
                 have the laptop with me right now.  I don't want to
                 spend a bunch of time screwing around with it for the 2
                 have the fucking laptop with me right now.  I don't want to
                 spend a bunch of time screwing around with it for the fucking 2
                 weeks I'll have it.  I just thought it would be nice to
                 be able to play with Ruby while I was at it.
        \_ tar -xzvf          upgrade to debian
2006/9/20 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux] UID:44470 Activity:nil
9/20    Anyone tried Vector Linux?
2006/9/1-5 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux] UID:44224 Activity:nil
9/1     Who's the greatest 1337 h4x0r in the entire history of CSUA?
        Sameer. C2, great programmer, nice guy, self made millionaire.
        Sameer is the greatest 1337 h4x0r of CSUA.
        \_ Duh, Phil is.
        \_ Isn't Sameer in the marines now or something?  -John
        \_ Isn't the gtk toolkit, included with just about every single
           goddamn linux install in the universe, based on work by
           josh, spencer, and pete ?  I think that makes them uber
           super hackers.
        \_ I'd go with tawei.  No question.
           \_ Who?
              \_ Tawei Liao:
                 I love his wanted ad though I'm not sure exactly what he
                 contributed to the hax0r or computer science community
2006/8/24-28 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux] UID:44128 Activity:nil
8/24    Can you get SMART data from a drive in an eSATA enclosure?
        Any recommendation for a PCI SATA card for linux with an external port?
2006/8/16-18 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux] UID:44029 Activity:nil
8/16    What do you use to profile in Linux?  gprof only seems to profile
        user code, so how long you spend in system calls doesn't show up in
        the output.
        \_ Not sure. -average American male
        \_ Don't have an answer but I usually just get the utime in between
           system calls. If you have an answer please post it here, thanks!
2006/8/9-14 [Computer/Networking, Computer/SW/OS/Linux] UID:43954 Activity:nil
8/9     Linux question.  We have a simple server that recieves TCP/IP
        connections concurrently with a threadpool, creating new threads
        as necessary.  It's showing a weird performance quirk where, if
        you increase the number of concurrent connections, the connection
        time increases slowly, from .1s.  At 16 connections it's
        about .2s.  However, the 17th connection takes 1.2s, a large
        jump.  The connection times continue increasing slowly from
        there, although there are little jumps at 48 and similar
        multiples of 16. slowly.  Is there some magic kernel number 16,
        above with establishing a TCP/IP connection takes a long time?
        \_ Stupid question, does your threadpool have a max number of
           \_ Yes, but it's 1024, which is actually higher than the kernel
              seems to be able to generate.
              \_ Java threads?  pthreads?
                 \_ pthreads, it's all C or C++ code on chaos Linux,
                    (although we were able to duplicate the problem on
                    \- i dunno what the linux equiv of tcp_conn_hash_size
                       is, but i'd personally be interested if changing
                       bumping that up changes the behavior.
                       is, but i'd personally be interested if bumping that
                       up changes the behavior.
           \_ No. -proud American
2006/8/4-6 [Computer/SW/Mail, Computer/SW/OS/Linux] UID:43910 Activity:nil
8/4     After trying to get sendmail's virtusertable to work for several
        hours, I've given up and decided to use exim4 instead. I've followed
        the following URL for exim4's equivalent of virtusertable, but now
        wondering how I can specify "error: User Known" and email
        nullification inside my new /etc/exim/virtusertable?
        Please help, thanks.                            -noob
        \_ I don't know. -proud American
2006/8/4-6 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux] UID:43900 Activity:nil
8/3     BoxA: "apt-cache search <mybin>" shows me the binary I need
        BoxB: "apt-cache search <mybin>" doesn't show the binary.
        I copied BoxA:/etc/apt/sources.list to BoxB, did a
        "apt-get update" on BoxB, and tried "apt-cache search <mybin>"
        on BoxB. However, it still doesn't show the binary I need.
        What did I do wrong?            -newbie, sorry to bug you guys
        \_ Does "dselect update" fix it?
           \_ No :(   -op
        \_ Do A and B and same release version?  (/etc/debian-release or
           something like it)
           \_ BoxA: testing/unstable
              BoxB: 3.1
              \_ there it is right there.  You're running two different
                 release versions.  3.1 is under stable line.  If you look
                 at the sources.list file, it actually indicates which
                 release the source is for.  If you really want the package
                 through apt-get, you have to either add a third party soure
                 ( for example) or upgrade B to testing/unstable.
        \_ This is so nerdy that I have no response.  -proud American
2006/8/3-6 [Computer/Networking, Computer/SW/OS/Linux] UID:43887 Activity:nil
8/3     Similar to the post below, I'm planning to set up a machine outside
        of the firewall and I'm considering FC3/4 or RH9, and maybe others
        too. Since it's outside of the firewall, security is a concern. In
        addition, manageability is a huge issue for me as I'm not intimately
        familiar with RPM package resolutions. What do you guys suggest?
        \_ Whatever you do, I'd recommend at least looking at selinux.  For
           management, strip it down as much as you can, jail or at least
           chroot any services you can, packet filter, tripwire, etc. etc.
           etc. and allow ipsec to the box from behind the firewall for
           updates.  Nothing exotic there.  -John
        \_ Don't run RH9. It's obsolete. I'd run RH4.
           \_ red hat enterprise linux 4?
              \_ No, RedHat versions are like AD&D 2nd edition armor
                 \_ banded or splint mail?
           \_ Agreed.  I don't think Redhat even maintain version 9 anymore.
              If you can't afford RHEL, try CentOS.  They come with SELinux
              stuff built-in as well.  But if you're not familiar with RPM
              distros, why not pick something you are familiar with?
                \_ I totally disagree.  -proud American
2006/8/2-6 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux] UID:43867 Activity:nil
8/2     I'm in charge of setting up the software infrastructure at a
        small company and would like advice/pointers on which LINUX
        distro is best for small, internally used compute/database servers.
        I want something which is stable, easy to maintain/upgrade, and has
        commercial support available for purchase. I've been happy with
        Debian's ease of maintenance/upgrade/install via apt/synaptic, but
        I've heard good things about Ubuntu and Fedora. Thanks for the advice.
        \_ I use Centos. Ubuntu is a desktop OS and fedora is too bleeding
           edge for a server.
           \_ Thanks. Any thoughts on pros/cons of Debian?
        \_ If you're interested in purchasing commercial support, you
           might as well use RedHat.  In no case should you use Fedora
           in production.  Centos is fine, but is more or less equivalent
           to RedHat without support.  -tom
<<<<<<< Other Changes Below
           \_ Thanks. Can you buy support for Centos from RedHat or will they
              refuse unless you buy the official RHEL?

        \_ apt-get uber Alles! That said, what the rest of everyone is saying is
           true. RedHat or CentOS are good if you're of the .rpm persuasion, and
           if you want the closest Linux to a BSD mentality, try Slackware (seeing
           as this is an internal site we're talking about). Under no circumstances
           should anyone touch Gentoo (even for a desktop).
>>>>>>> Your Changes Above
        \_ apt-get uber Alles! That said, what the rest of everyone is saying
           is true. RedHat or CentOS are good if you're of the .rpm
           persuasion, and if you want the closest Linux to a BSD mentality,
           try Slackware (seeing as this is an internal site we're talking
           about). Under no circumstances should anyone touch Gentoo (even for
           a desktop).  [formatd was here]
        \_ "Commercial support" is a reasonably useless phrase.  For Redhat
           it mostly means you pay them a fairly large chunk of money to get
           access to their "up to date" patch system.  To be fair it is a
           pretty decent system but it requires no less clue and often more
           clue than other systems to get setup well.  What exactly does your
           management believe they're getting for their "commercial support"?
           As Tom said you are limited to Redhat if "cs" is a requirement.  If
           management isn't that stupid then choose whatever you and the rest
           of the technical staff are most familiar with.  What you know best
           is what you'll run best.  It's common sense.  Under the hood the
           distros are all the same.  It's the same kernel, the same network
           stack, the same filesystems, etc.  The distro differences are
           meaningless for common use.
           \_ Thanks, that's pretty much what I thought. The reason I'm
              asking about "commercial support" is that management gave me
              a free hand to setup the tech/software end the way I thought best
              and I want to be able to get quick help with any problems.
              I've used linux for over 8 years and it's definetly better for
              our plans than Windows. But if we went with Windows and had
              problems, they wouldn't question my judgement since everyone
              uses Windows. If problems come up with linux, I want to get them
              fixed quick so they don't wonder whether it was the right choice.
              \_ The safest choice is definitely paying for RHEL.  Not only
                 is there a company backing it, it's also the reference
                 standard for Linux, so third-party applications will
                 definitely work with it.  -tom
              \_ It sounds like you want RH.  But don't just fill out the
                 forms and start installing.  See what they'll charge to
                 send one of their in house consultants over for a day to
                 talk to your about your needs and help you design the right
                 thing.  This will get you off on the right foot and give
                 you leverage with them later if something goes wrong. "But
                 this stuff was setup by your guy!!!" breaks down a lot of
                 support barriers when you need help.
        \_ So, we use RedHat at my work, and we seem to at least get the
           ability to hassle them when something goes seriously wrong.
           Support does not seem to be just limited to patches, although
           we are a really big user and may have a non-standard contract.
           Also, RedHat does not seem to be the same as all other distros
           under the hood.  Redhat seems to have added non-standard
           extensions.  About 2 years ago on RedHat Enterprise 3 they
           tweaked the scheduler in some way to "improve database
           performance."  Unfortunatly, it also killed interactive and
           build performance.  (What we use it for.)  It didn't seem to be
           a problem in Linux at large, just RedHat EL3.
           \_ Broken to a degree that most people would notice or you had to
              profile and time it to see the difference on a large build?
                --just curious
              \_ WE certainly noticed.  Our build times tripled.  They
                 went from 1.5 hours to ~5 hours.  And the system wasn't
                 very useable when building either.  I'm not even really
                 sure how this was possible, the both CPUs were still
                 mostly idle.  It was pretty much awful.
        \_ We use SuSE. Great full support, site license didn't cost huge
           amounts of dough, and they actually do QA before pushing distros
           out, unlike RedHate.
           \_ I second SuSE. don't buy redhat, they should not be rewarded
              for their fedora BS.
        \_ I use Microsoft Windows 3.1. -proud American
2006/7/28-8/2 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux] UID:43828 Activity:nil
7/28    Platform: RedHat, Linux 2.4, don't have a choice to upgrade.
        Problem: Downloaded acroread 7.0.8 because the default 5.0
        that I got from "apt-get install acroread" thinks 5.0 is the
        latest. Unfortunately 7.0.8 says my GTK version is not 2.4 or
        higher. I tried "apt-get install gtk" and "gtk2" but apt-get
        thinks they're the latest. What should I do?
        \_ If you're not going to upgrade, you're going to have problems
           installing vendor-compiled software.  Upgrade, or install
           gtk and gtk2 from source.  You could also try something like
  to upgrade gtk to a version more recent than
           your RedHat distribution supports, but resolving the
           dependencies will be quite difficult.  -tom
           \_ Looks like he's using a debian based distro.  You can always
              try adding backports debian repository to install newer gtk.
        \_ install gtk2 and other libraries from source in /usr/local/lib
           and then tinker with LD_LIBRARY_PATH to get acroread to use
2006/7/25-26 [Computer/SW/OS/Windows, Computer/SW/OS/Linux] UID:43790 Activity:nil
7/25    Running Linux: any technical reasons to reboot on a regular basis?
        \_ No.  -tom
        \_ Like with any other OS, it can help if your apps have memory leaks.
           If every program running on the machine is written perfectly
           and never fails in any strange or unexpected manner then you're
           fine without rebooting. I've had machines up for almost 1000
           days straight, but things are always better with a therapeutic
           reboot now and then.
           \_ The memory leak probably should only apply to constantly
              running apps right?  Unlike Win95, Linux frees all
              resources on application termination, correct?
              \_ Yes.
        \_ After kernel updates.  So depending on how often the kernel
           changes and how closely you want to track the latest bits, yes,
           you could find yourself rebooting quite often.  Otherwise, no.
2006/7/15-17 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux] UID:43677 Activity:nil
7/14    I am trying to install something for personal use in Soda.  It's
        a converter that converts various Chinese encoding to and from one
        and another (autoconvert).  When I am trying to compile it, I got this
        incompatible implicit declaration of built-in function 'memcpy'
        error.   Any idea why it can't find memcpy?             kngharv
        \_ As the poster below said, you need to #include <string.h>.
           But this should be a warning, not an error, and it shouldn't
           happen at all with the current version of autoconvert (which
           already includes string.h).  Anyway, I've installed the official
           Debian autoconvert package, which seems to work fine -- please
           let me know if anything goes wrong.  --mconst
           \_ thanks.  --OP
        \_ I don't have an answer but could you tell us what's the best way
           to learn Taiwanese?
           \_ you mean min-nan dialect?  or hekka?
        \_ Because you aren't #include-ing string.h?  The error message
           means you haven't done anything to declare it.
2006/7/8-10 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux, Consumer/Camera] UID:43601 Activity:nil
7/8     What is a good and free program to edit .mov files (macromedia i assume)
                        eh?  .mov is Apple's Quicktime container. _/
                        \_ ug, yeah, sorry, haven't been getting much sleep.
                           These are quicktime movies.
        from my camera.  Pref windows, but linux o.k. too.
        \_ just convert it to a more open format and edit it there.
           There are plenty of free (and legally questionable) software
           that converts .mov to xvid avi files.
2006/6/22-28 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux, Computer/SW/OS/Solaris] UID:43474 Activity:nil
6/22    Anyone here deploy Linux-based Sun Rays lately? Thin clients
        sucked a few years ago, but Sun claims that performance is much
        better now. If performance is decent, I'm interested. Lots of
        people at work just use their desktops as terminals anyway.
        \_ we have a few Sun Ray clients here.  They have pretty much just
           worked since we set them up.
           \_ How is performance?
              \_ Fine for clean X apps.  Sun's Java Desktop Suite is a dog
                 regardless of what you run it on. Note that we don't use
                 them for Linux desktops yet.
        \_ i do that all the time for POC purposes.  I prefer *LINUX*
           over Solaris, against my company's party line, simply because
           Linux is still a better desktop OS than Solaris.  What kind of
           information do you want to know?             kngharv
           \_ What makes a desktop 'better'?
2006/5/2-3 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux, Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:42887 Activity:nil
5/1     What causes lockd to get stuck?
        \_ Bugs in the Linux kernel, or maybe incompatibilies with the
           FreeBSD NFS server on keg.  This was not the same problem we
           were having before, which was a bug in Linux 2.6.16; that one
           hasn't come back since we downgraded to 2.6.15.  --mconst
           \_ Wouldn't a 2.4 series kernel like the one in RHEL3 be
              more stable?
2006/4/17-20 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux] UID:42758 Activity:nil
4/16    WHO ported, will need to install libgdbm-dev, which will bring in
        the gdbm.h and libgdm.a [Alternatively, use the .so symlink in my
        ~/wallall directory, and the gdbm.h copied from another debian machine]
        src is at ~dwc/WHO.c
2006/4/16 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux] UID:42752 Activity:moderate
4/15    I hate to ask this, but why did we switch to Linux?
        \_ ahh... i still remember the Linux vs. FreeBSD jihad... it's almost
           as bad as Linux vs. Solaris jihad we had at Sun.
2006/4/15-2008/4/21 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux] UID:42770 Activity:nil 61%like:49792
Linux soda #1 SMP Wed Apr 12 18:06:46 PDT 2006 i686 GNU/Linux

Welcome to Macintosh^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^HSoda Mark VII,
a dual Xeon 2.8GHz with many hozers.
2006/4/15 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux] UID:42748 Activity:nil
4/15    A Linux Soda?  What, no rants from the Linux haters?
2006/3/30-4/3 [Computer/HW/Laptop, Computer/SW/OS/Linux] UID:42550 Activity:nil
3/30    So which current laptop out there works with Linux and
        hibernation-to-disk (not suspend to memory) ?
        \_ I have a toshiba that seems to work w/ Linux hibernate. I'll
           get you the model number tonight.
        \_ I thought newer linux kernel supports suspend-to-disk, no?
2006/3/20-22 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux] UID:42347 Activity:nil
3/20    Fedora Core 5 is out:
        \_ yeah, everyone run out and get it.  Redhat needs more than just
           free coders for their enterprise software, they need free beta
           testers too.
           \_ Nothing different from what Microsoft does : releasing
              beta code to the public for testing.
              \_ FC5 had a public testing release since late in the last year.
2006/3/20-21 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux] UID:42322 Activity:low
3/20    is it possible to set linux to be case insensitivity temporarily?
        \_ The easiest way to do this is to run samba, and access your
           files through smbmount.
        \_ don't have an easy answer but WHY do you want to do this?
        \_ The linux kernel?  Probably no easy way, no.  A linux distribution?
           Which one?  For what application?  Why do you need to do this (there
           might be a better way)  Next time give even LESS information and
           you'll get an even BETTER answer!
        \_ just keep typing in all lower case
2006/3/15-16 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux] UID:42244 Activity:low
3/15    Anyone here have any experience with Infiniband as a network
        interconnect? I want to run MPI over Infiniband, but also use
        TCP over the same network. How is the performance relative to
        ethernet? Any problems with stability, crashing, etc.? I am
        considering Silverstorm switches and not sure which cards
        (Pathscale?). The OS is Red Hat Linux. --dim
        \_ Only as local storage connect on a full rack device.  It could be
           Chocolate Donut Connect Interface for all I see it.  CDCI... I
           kinda like that.  mmmmm... donuts!
           \_ Now, Homer:  Don't you eat that interconnect!
2006/3/12-14 [Computer/HW/Languages, Computer/SW/OS/Linux] UID:42193 Activity:moderate
3/11    Which non-commercial Linux 64bit distro is most compatible with
        enterprise tools (in particular the Cadence/Synopsys tools?)
        \_ Probably CentOS b/c it is RHEL recompiled from SRPMS.
           \_ I didn't like CentOS 4.2 very much.  (64-bit).  It's possible
              it was misinstalled, but I found it lacking in polish.  It was
              hard to compile things for it, things wouldn't work...  --PM
              \_ Knowing some of the people behind CentOS and cAos, I'm
                 very nervous to build on them. I am pretty sure at least one
                 of their core people will not know what Cadence and Synopsys
                 are. You are probably best off asking the Cadence/Synopsys
                 communities about their Linux experience rather than Linux
                 users about their experience with these "enterprise tools".
                 BTW, if you hadn't clarified, those are not the tools I would
                 have assumed you were referring to. We also found a number
                 of other weird behaviors and possible file systems bugs in
                 64bit AssOS, but I think that's expected with their lacking
                 quality control and testing systems [e.g. file with diff
                 sizes having the same md5 hash] ... but that was at least 6mos
                 ago. Lately the bugs I am dealing with are in more obscure
                 areas like infiniband drivers, and it's possible nobody is
                 perfect there.
                 perfect there. Linux works ok for some of my integer crunching
                 projects which can be naively parellelized. My colleagues
                 doing more complicated MPI stuff see wierd, hard to reproduce
                 \_ They both recommend Redhat Enterprise.  I have run the
                    32bits variant with not much problem.  Not sure what it's
                    like in the 64b env.  RHEL 32b works fine.  Trying to
                    see if RHEL 64b exists and works fine.
                    \_ RHEL 4 + most recent update seems to work pretty
                       well on our dual opterons in 64b mode. Try it out.
        \_ Stupid question, but I'm not familiar with either of these--got
           a URL that actually describes what they do?  Looks like sort of a
           set of cost management tools (aka part of SAP)  -John
           \_ iirc, cadence and synopsis make circuit/chip design and
              verification tools.
              \_ Yes, very expensive tools. If you are using such expensive
                 tools then why not shell out for a commercial OS like RHEL?
                 To do otherwise seems penny wise and pound foolish.
                 \_ He might want to avoid the cost of the license if
                    he is running a very large (100+ system) cluster.
                    Personally I agree, just run RHEL. Another option
                    is to try Slowlaris x86, it runs fairly well on
                    x86_64 (opteron) systems.
                    \_ If he's running a large cluster then the cost of
                       the licenses is even less per node. It's silly to
                       spend, say, $100K on hardware and $100K on tools
                       and then worry over $2K/year for RHEL.
        \_ In my experience, the 64-bit RHEL 3/4 and it's CentOS derivative
           aren't as polished as the 32-bit versions. The package managers
           often get confused about 32/64-bit issues and throw weird
           unimformative errors. They're supposed to be 100% compatible
           with 32-bit software, yet some libraries come only as 64-bit
           objects and there is no rpm for 32-bit (but you can grab those
           manually from the 32-bit distribution). Of course, I am using
           Linux in a different environment, so my comment might not be
           very useful to you.
           \_ I agree w/ this. I've seen a lot of libc6 issues in 64bit
              mode on RHEL 4, but the same problems do not occur in 32bit
              RHEL. Another option for OP is to try SuSE's Enterprise
              Linux Server (SLES).
2006/2/28-3/1 [Computer/SW/Mail, Computer/SW/OS/Linux] UID:42027 Activity:moderate
2/28    Hi I'm a noob and I just installed LINUX DEBIAN for the very first
        time in my life. I did a vanilla install, then apt-get sendmail and
        pine. I tried to send myself an email on the local machine but
        my mailbox is always empty. Even setting up bad crontab -e doesn't
        email me any output. What should I do next? Thanks.
        \_ check the logfile in /var/log, probably mail.log
        \_ It's Debian GNU/Linux, not LINUX DEBIAN
           \_ Who gave rms a csua account?
              \_ He came in, filled out a form and ate the leftover
                 watermelon. How could we not give him an account?
                 \- RMS prefers CRENSHAW melon to WATERMELON.
        \_ debian doesn't shove exim onto you anymore?  exim
           not good enough for you?
           \_ As far as I know exim is still the default. op should probably
              just stick to exim
           \_ Yes, exim is still the default.  op should definitely not use
              sendmail as it deserves no place on *any* system installed after
              newer, better MTA's were written.  op should probably use
              postfix. -dans
              \_ What are some of the newer, better MTA's?  tia.
                 \_ exim, postfix, qmail in no particular order.
              \_ got milter?
                 \_ Eh.  It's fairly weak and unconfigurable compared to what
                    you can do with postfix.  Even if I thought the milter
                    offerred much value, it wouldn't come anywhere near making
                    up for the pain and suffering of configuring sendmail.
2006/2/12-15 [Recreation/Computer/Games, Computer/SW/OS/Linux, Recreation/Sports] UID:41806 Activity:nil
2/12    So, does anyone else here play SDL sopwith?  That game is awesome,
        and I've always wanted to try the network mode.  (For, like 15
        years) -jrleek
        \_ I want to play BZFLAG.
           \_ Maybe we should set up a CSUA BZFLAG server...
              \_ If you want.  I don't think it's worth it.  There are
                 lots and lots of public BZFLAG servers out there.
                 apt-get install bzflag
                 if you're a debian nerd.
2006/1/31-2/2 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux, Computer/SW/OS/Windows] UID:41614 Activity:nil
1/31    Goobuntu, teh G00gle OS:
2006/1/28-31 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux] UID:41583 Activity:nil
1/28    What's the debian package that has the man pages for the stdlib
        \_  dpkg -l "*libstd*" | grep doc
2006/1/10-12 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux] UID:41327 Activity:nil
1/10    Sorry for the lame Debian Q. I'm running Ubuntu 5.10 distribution. I
        need certain packages from regular Debian Stable distro. I tried adding
        standard Debian distro URLs in /etc/apt/sources.list and did
        apt-get update to update the cache. However, it complains that the
        public key is not found. First of all, is it a bad idea to get
        Debian stable from Ubuntu stable, and secondly where can I set to
        by-pass key checking? Thanks.
2006/1/10-12 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux, Computer/SW/OS/VM] UID:41317 Activity:high
1/10    VMWare GSX is most similar to VMWare Workstation. GSX allows the
        console to be viewed remotely. GSX does require IIS to be installed
        to handle the web component on Windows, or apache on *nix. ESX is an
        OS unto itself... it runs on a modified Linux kernel, and all virtual
        machines use a different file format than Workstation / GSX. Also,
        installation and administration of VMs is always done via web browser
        or remote client, and not directly at the server's interface. The file
        system it uses is unique as well, called VMFS. All virtual machines
        must be created on a VMFS-formatted partition, and VMFS will not
        install on IDE drives in version 2.5 (never tested that in v2, so IDE
        drives may work, or may not). For more info see below:
        \_ Huh?  Is there a question here?  Why did you post this?
           --vmware employee
           \_ Your marketing dept. getting desperate.
           \_ Who cares, it's interesting.  -John
              \_ Interesting-- when German John features in shit eating porn.
                 Not Interesting-- when geeks participate in esoteric
                 tech discussions that will get outdated in 1 year and
                 will get outsourced to India sooner or later.
                 \_ That was yermom in a John mask.  And god forbid the
                    CSUA should host any tech discussions.  -John
                    \_ But there's nothing to discuss here.  The original
                       post is just statement of fact; there are no questions
                       to answer or any points to dispute.  As it is, it
                       seems like just an ad.
                       \_ No, it's a "hey, look at this, it's cool."  It is
                          interesting.  And something I normally wouldn't go
                          page through VMWare marketing crap to look for.
                          But hey, it's soda; don't like it?  Nuke!  -John
                          \_ What exactly is it so interesting about
                             something that no one uses or cares about
                             and will get obsolete soon anyways?
                                        -i hate computer science should
                                         have majored something else
2006/1/5-7 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux] UID:41242 Activity:low
1/6     Debian or Fedora for a corporate server? Discuss. Show work.
        \_ FreeBSD
           \_ I agree that FreeBSD is a far better choice in terms of
              stability (notwithstanding soda's hick-ups), performance
              and security. But if you have to use Linux and the only
              two choices are Debian and Fedora, debian is preferable
              b/c it is far easier to install a minial debian system
              and keep it upto date in terms of security and reliabi-
              lity patches.
              The problem w/ Debian is that many commercial vendors
              (my company included) do not support running their sw
              on Debian. If a vendor only supports RH, it is worth
              spending the extra money to buy RHEL. If you can't
              afford RHEL ES, try running the software on the CentOS
              equivalent before going to Fedora.  Fedora has way too
              many bleeding edge components and probably will not
              give you the type of stability you want for a corporate
              server. [ Although we support our server software on
              Fedora, we strongly recommend that customers use RHEL
              ES b/c those customers who have used Fedora to run our
              software have always run into numerous problems w/ net,
              raid, scsi, &c. ]
              If you are looking to buy a server w/ the OS installed,
              consider an XServe w/ MacOS X Server 10.4. I have an
              XServe and I find it to be a very nice system.
              \_ I am not limited to fedora or debian but this is a startup
                 company so we do things as cheap as possible. I would
                 prefer freeBSD as well but it is unclear what applications
                 we will be running in the future and so I would rather
                 be a bit more flexible with Linux. CentOS I had never heard
                 of so I think that will be a good choice.
                 \_ Low-end servers are not that expensive.  FreeBSD is rock-
                    solid and nad good hardware support, as well as being
                    very reliable for many of the "normal" types of apps
                    small companies are likely to run.  Consider it.  -John
        \_ CentOS -- easier to convince the droids
        \_ Hrm does debian even have an offical 64 bit version of Xeon? Fedora
        \_ I think it's crazy to run Fedora on a production server.  It
           moves way too quickly.  CentOS or RHEL make much more sense.
           Debian is also reasonable.  -tom
           \_ I second RHEL, and even that moves almost too fast.
           \_ How about X/OS?  (Free RHEL)
              \_ Sounds like the same concept as CentOS, but CentOS looks
                 a lot more active.  -tom
        \_ Windows of course.
        \_ This may be of some use to you; The Linux Distro Chooser:
2006/1/4-6 [Computer/SW/Mail, Computer/SW/OS/Linux] UID:41223 Activity:nil
1/4     Linux question: when I do a ypcat passwd on a Linux NIS client,
        I see 11-13 lines, then a long pause and then it continues.  On my
        sun boxes and a few other Linux machines the whole map appears
        instantly.  Any ideas?  netstat -i doesn't report any errors on the
        client or nis server.
2005/12/28-2006/1/4 [Computer/SW/WWW/Server, Computer/SW/OS/Linux] UID:41156 Activity:nil
12/28   a little bit of history for csua folk:
        Stronghold sales ended some years ago and the product's last
        support date is December 31, 2005.
        \_ more info:
        \_ So what ever happened to sameer?
           \_ sameer retired to the world of gang bang and hot chicks.
              I kid you not.                    -someone who knew him
              \_ " and..."?  You don't mean "...banging..."?
2005/12/25-28 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux] UID:41139 Activity:nil
12/25   <DEAD><DEAD> (Debian Server) appears to be down.
2005/10/5 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux] UID:39989 Activity:nil
10/5    Any recommendations for a hosting company that provides
        reliable dedicated servers with debian?
2005/9/17-21 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux] UID:39734 Activity:nil
9/17    Any comment on upgrading from Fedora Core 3 to Fedora Core 4?
        Pros, cons, new cool features, etc? ok thx.
                       guys.  We'd have pages of discussion if Jefferson were
                       a Republican.
                       \_ Horse shit.  If some Republican no one had ever
                          heard of did something marginally unethical,
                          it wouldn't even be posted to the MOTD.  If it
                          was Delay or Santorum, that's a different thing. -tom
                          \_ Horse shit yourself. If this was a Republican,
                             your panties would be in a bunch calling for his
                             resignation and you know it.
              \_ Ask UC administration why the color of someone's skin matters.
2005/9/17-19 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux] UID:39720 Activity:nil
9/16    Where the hell is XF86Setup for Fedora Core 3?
        \_ xorg.conf . Red Hat switched from XFree86.
           \_ Eh? I'm using Fedora Core 3 and I have a fully functional
              /etc/XF86Config. It is the setup program that I'm looking for.
              \_ xf86cfg. Man, XF86Setup was outmoded about 4 years ago.
                 Where have you been living, under a rock?
                 \_ file not found in my Fedora Core 3. FYI FC3!=RH.
                    \_ Okay, you're telling us two things which are
                       mutually exclusive.
                       If you are using FC3, there should NOT be an
                       XF86Config at all because FC3 uses xorg. You didn't
                       tell us if you did something weird like dump your
                       old XF86Config file from your old setup, but
                       XF86Setup hasn't been around for years. It's been
                       upgraded to xf86cfg or sometimes the CLI version
                       (which is essentially a shell script) is called
                       xf86config. If you can't find that then run
                       X --config manually. Anyway, you shouldn't have
                       this because FC3 is xorg only. If you can't
                       find xf86cfg then you either didn't install
                       XF86 correctly you (more likely) you're running
                       xorg. If that's the case then you need to use
                       xorgconfig. If you have neither config programs
                       then your path is screwed up somehow, you didn't
                       install X correctly in the distro, you somehow
                       deleted it, or you installed it somewhere
                       weird. Also, FYI, it's not recommended that you
                       upgrade an RH box to FC3.
                    \_ Yes and no. RedHat still provides a lot of input to the
                       Fedora project. My FC3 install at work uses the xorg
                       implementation, not XFree86. If you upgraded to FC3,
                       particularly from RH9 or something of similar vintage,
                       you may still have XFree86; I was in this situation for
                       a while, but I upgraded because of the dependency mess it
                       created. I think xorg will fall back to using XF86Config
                       if it can't find xorg.conf.
                       For configuring xorg, I've always used the -configure
                       option to Xorg to get it to run its detections stuff and
                       dump a config file, then manually tweaked the config, but
                       there are config tools. I seem to have something called
                       pyxf86config partly installed; this claims to be a Python
                       frontend to Xorg's configuration library. You might give
                       that a try if xorg.conf/XF86Config is too deep for you.
                       Good luck. -gm
2005/9/6-7 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux, Computer/SW/OS/Windows] UID:39528 Activity:nil
9/6     Has anyone worked with data archival software? Our microfilm scanner
        still works but the printer has died (it's 30 years old). We're looking
        at replacing microfilm with a digital system. I'm a luddite, so this
        seems like a pretty bad idea to me, but I'm told to see what's out
        there. So I guess I need a decent scanner and document feeder and
        maybe some non-consumer software to create PDFs of what is scanned in.
        Any pointers would be appreciated. On a side note, Google is not great
        when you want to actually buy a new product because you're getting
        targeted ads vs. information.
        \_ it totally depends on your requirements.  Does it need to be
           accessible to the web?  Will you submit your info to a large
           digital repository so you can use their finding aids?  How large
           is the archive?  Do you have a database already in existence that
           can work with digital images?
        \_ There have been a few threads on this on with a
           couple of gems among the chaff.  Might be worthwhile spending an
           hour or so going through their archive.  Also, I think that if you
           have basic questions about Microfilm->digital archive transferral,
           Kodak does a lot of work for large companies on this; you might
           want to start looking there.  My gf's dad used to do this for them,
           if you want, I can ask him for some pointers.  -John
2005/8/19-22 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux] UID:39193 Activity:nil
8/19    Okay, when are we *really* going to have to worry about storage of
2005/8/8-11 [Science/GlobalWarming, Computer/SW/OS/Linux, Health/Women] UID:39053 Activity:nil
8/8     Anyone else going to Linux World Expo tomorrow? -jrleek
        \_ well, I don't know, are they gonna have beautiful women with
           bikini, kind of like what they have for Nascar or Indy-500 where
           georgeous women surround Linux PCs instead of race cars?
        \_ Will it be anything like this picture of E3?
2005/6/18-20 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux] UID:38188 Activity:nil
6/18    Dumb question, let's say I installed Fedora Core 3 and forgot to
        install certain packages I need, how do I go back to the installation
        steps? I don't want to use yum or apt-get, I just want to use the
        CD defaults. Thanks.
        \_ you don't, easily.  rerun the install CD and try an upgrade
           path to redo install but keep your modifications.  or learn
           the underlying bundling terms used by anaconda and kickstart
           and try to install whole package groups.  but really, just learn
           how to use yum search and google to find package names you
           want and install them + dependencies automatically!
2005/6/18-20 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux] UID:38183 Activity:nil
6/18    Dumb question. I just did a "yum update kernel" and now I'm on
        2.6.11-1.27_FC3 version. How and where do I get the corresponding
        kernel source code?
        \_ I'm the op. I downloaded from here:
           I did a "rpm -qpl kernel-2.6.11-1.27_FC3.src.rpm" but it doesn't
           show where it puts the sources. Instead it just lists patch names.
           How do I show where it would install files to? Thanks.       -op
        \_ the release notes explicitly tell you how to get kernel sources
           exploded into a tree where you can build by hand.
2005/6/17-20 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux] UID:38181 Activity:nil
6/17    What's a good way to learn about Linux build, modules (insmod, lsmod,
        etc), how to compile, how to add/subtract stuff, grub, differences
        between a *.o and a *.ko module, significance of
        /lib/mmodules/<version>/kernel/* ? Thanks.              -newbie
        \_ Pick one that looks fun, start playing with it, break it, reinstall
           it, ask someone where the manuals are, try to figure out your
           answers from there, then don't hesitate to ask stupid questions,
           look at for info on various distros,
           find a project that looks interesting on sourceforge, download it,
           try to compile it, look at ,
           ask more stupid questions, use google a lot.  Have fun.  -John
2005/6/13-15 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux] UID:38110 Activity:moderate
6/13    Which Linux distro you find most user-friendly?  e.g. toward the
        goal of allowing your gradma to use it without much problem?
        Anyone tried Ubunto before?
        \_ Mac OS X Tiger on an iMac G5.
           \_ i would agree OS X is good, but it's not Linux.
                \_ I know, but grandma and linux seems like a bad idea.
                        \_ Unless your grandma is Dilmom
        \_ Why would you want to force your grandma to use linux? What
           could it possibly offer her that she can't accomplish with
           much more ease with windows or OS X? If there are things
           that linux can offer her, she would probably be the type
           that wouldn't need help installing it.
           that already has linux.
           \_ i am just use "grandma" to illustrate my point of being
              "user friendly."  I just wondering is there any linux
              distro that is tightly integrated and address some of
              the usability issue.  I heard of Ubunto, and hoping someone
              has experiences other than Redhat/SuSE/Mantrake/Debian.
                \_ oh, understood. -pp
        \_ Ubunto is the latest in a line of '1337 linux distros.
           There is nothing special about it except perhaps that
           they have better i18n than other distros.
           If you don't want to use OS X, then your best bet for
           a well integrated linux distro is probably SuSE.
           \_ SUSE has i18n issues for those who use East Asian locale.
        \_  You know, I found the latest version of Debian, Sarge, to be
            really easy to install and use when I tried it in testing.
            (about 6 months ago.)  I can't say it's the best, but it was
            better than Fedora, and the Synaptec package manager makes it
            REALLY easy to install new programs.
            \_ Thanks, I will give it a try.            --op
        \_ RedHat Pro Workstation. Easier to install than Win2k. You may
           need to hold her hand initially, but then it's gravy.
        \_ Thanks for all the response...               --op
2005/6/8 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux] UID:38041 Activity:low
6/8     How about this for Apple:  switch kernel to Linux?
        this will instantly resolve device driver issues for them, and
        send a shockwave through the PC world at the same time....
                                - in fantacy mode
        \_ And then all of Apple's products would get automatic Linux
           releases, and Apple would quickly disappear into obscurity!
        \_ The device driver issues are not a significant problem for Apple;
           they say they are not going to try to support commodity PC hardware,
           so they can limit the number of chipsets to about the same number
           they're currently supporting.  -tom
        \_ Why in GOD's name would Apple want to switch from Mach/FreeBSD
           to a festering piece of shit like linux?
           It is a fallacy to think that just b/c linux supports X random
           PCI/ISA card that driver support on linux is "good". I have to
           deal w/ linux drivers on a regular basis (esp. nics/raid contr-
           ollers) and linux causes me no end of problems.  The one thing
           that can be said for linux is that, unlike Slowlaris, at least
           *some* things have working drivers.
2005/4/13-14 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux] UID:37168 Activity:low
4/13    What is a good terminal program for Linux, which can talk to
        devices over a serial port for me?  I need to talk to a UPS
        and to an ethernet switch.  Thanks.  --PeterM
        \_ /usr/bin/cu dir
        \_ minicom
        \_ kermit
        \_ tip... just kidding.
           \_ Just why did they drop tip.  That pisses me the fuck off.
2005/4/8-9 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux, Computer/HW] UID:37119 Activity:nil
4/8     PLEASE HELP!  I work in a very linux friendly environment.  All of my
        servers are Unix/linux.  But some of the execs (including the ceo)
        use outlook and get a lot of use out of their blackberries.  Presently
        I am feeling pressure to get an MS Exchange Server!
        (blackberry edition).  This pressure is very likely to increase.
        Is there no linux based solution that well integrates mail and
        calendaring (blackberry integration would be nice too, but if I just
        had a good mail/calender server, I think I could stem the rising tide.
            \_ Are you talking client or server ?  If it is client:
        you could consider using kontact
        \_ I'm guessing he's asking about the server.  How about Novell
           Evolution?  I don't know how far it has come, but I believe its
           goal is to replace Exchange Servers.
        \_ The 2/14/05 issue of InfoWorld has a review on linux mail server
           migration, where they review software that can serve Outlook
           clients. The stuff they reviewed are Gordano Messaging Server,
           Novell Suse Linux Openexchange, Scalix, and CommuniGate Pro.
        \_ We use Oracle Exchange Server. Unfortunately, I cannot
           recommend it. -ausman
2005/4/5-8 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux] UID:37079 Activity:nil
4/5     Does anyone know how Linux decides which interface to use when there
        are multiple on the same subnet?  The routing code is pretty hairy
        and I don't want to have to go through it all right now.  It seems
        clear that routing lookup are cached, so as long as the cache entry
        is present the interface is fixed for a src/dst pair.  But I haven't
        waded through the slow lookup yet. --jwm
        \_ I think it uses the first one that matches. run route -n
           Why would you haev multiple interfaces on the same subnet?
           \_ Short answer customers make strange choices. Basically
              I'm working with a device that has an interface that does
              work, and one for admin.  sometimes they end up on the same
              subnet.  But I can also see it being used to increase BW for
              something like iSCSI.
2005/3/15-17 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux] UID:36707 Activity:nil Edit_by:auto
3/15    Does anyone have the Tablet PC? Pros/cons? Linux-friendly? Comments?
        \_ I've used a friend's for a while and the thing that makes it worth
           a couple hundred more than a standard PC is the pen input and
           good support for that in the OS and applications.  WinXp tablet has
           overall pretty good support for pen input and handwriting
           recognition.  I don't know anything about Linux support, and perhaps
           someone else can comment on it, but if I had to guess I'd expect it
           to be far inferior to Windows-land.  User interfaces and esoteric
           peripheral support are not areas where Linux is known to shine.
2005/3/15 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux, Computer/SW/Compilers] UID:36700 Activity:high
3/15    Anyone know what I'm doing wrong?
        "In file included from fusd/test/zero.c:39:
        /usr/include/linux/config.h:5:2: #error Incorrectly using glibc
        headers for a kernel module"
        Which correct -I path should I include in the compiler? -ok thx
        \_ <kernel src dir>/include --jwm
            \_ so actually I'm using /home/user/linux-2.6.10/include
               which I downloaded from the web.
               \_ use -nostdinc
2005/3/15-17 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux] UID:36694 Activity:low
3/15    I'm trying to install rpms and as I go down the dependency chain,
        it keeps saying "Failed dependencies:
  is needed by B
           C is needed by D"
        Now, I can go ahead and install C, but is a file within the
        RPM that already exists on the system. I can --force install, but
        I'm not so sure that this is such a good idea. What would you do
        in this case?
        \_ I would clarify the question.
        \_ Find out what RPM provides I think that rpm -qpl <file>
           will give you that info (look in the man page to get the
           correct options). Then you can decide if you want to remove
           the old and install the one in C.
        \_ Remove linux and install a real OS.
           \_ Why is Linux not a real OS?
              \_ because it works.
           \_ Yes, like Windows NT.
2005/3/10 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux] UID:36611 Activity:low
3/10    Don't ask why, but anybuddy know a relatively easy way to add/define
        more than 32 tape drives in Linux 2.4 kernel?  Does 2.6 solve this?
        Or... am I basically down to hacking ioctl's header files? -mtbb
        \_ No need to ask why, there's an obvious use.
        \__ looks like I need to modify mtio.h, but I can't figure out exactly
            which bit(s) need modification.  My Linux kernel hacking Foo is
            low.... -mtbb
            \- So is your Fu Fu.
               \_ My Foo is superior to your Fu!
                  \_ Too bad it's also wrong.
            \_ Use the Technology, buddy!
2005/2/24-25 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux] UID:36389 Activity:moderate
2/23    Does anyone else think it's lame that the abbreviation for linux
        distribution is "distro"?  Do linux geeks think it's spelled
        distr*O*bution, or something?
        \_ This is a fairly common way to make abbreviations in English --
           it follows the same pattern as "ammo", "lotto", "afro", "aggro",
           etc.  --mconst
           \_ mconst, how are you modifying motd?
              \_ I usually write the text in a seperate editor window, and
                 then cut-and-paste it in -- that way I can write slowly
                 without keeping the motd locked for a long time.  --mconst
                 \_ ah ok thanks. I was wondering how you typed so fast.
        \_ 'distri' does not roll off the tongue as well, and 'dist' is
           ambiguous and would be shortened to 'dis', which is even more
           confusing.  Do 'facs' machines annoy you too?
        \_ I bet you get really up in arms about ATM machine and VIN number
           don't you?
           \_ "Vehicle Identification Number number" doesn't make sense.
              \_ That's his point. "Automated Teller Machine machine"
                 \_ Some people like to say "NIC card" too.
              \_ Exactly.  Common (and accepted) acronymn usage in English is
                 to use the word for the last letter of the acronymn after the
                 acronymn.  English usage rules often exist because it's easier
                 to say or it sounds better than the alternative.  Learn to
                 live with it.
                 \_ Meh.  I think it has more to do with the way english is
                    parsed -- adjectives precede nouns (ie TUNA fish is the
                    same phenomenon as NIC card).  The acronym is treated as
                    as adjective modifying the type of the object.  If the
                    acronym was Card for Interfacing the Network, then I'd
                    bet it would be 'CIN card' rather than 'CIN network' as
                    your explanation would seem to suggest, since it's a type
                    of card rather than a type of network.  The fact that
                    the general type of the object is included with the
                    adjectival acronym is ignored by the layman.
                    adjectival acronym (and is in fact typically a noun) is
                    ignored by the layman.
                    \_ What are you talking about? TUNA is not an acronym.
                       \_ No, but it's a noun with a presumed type (fish) that
                          is often redundantly prepended to its superclass.
                          "TUNA fish is the same phenomenon" -- I didn't say it
                          was an acronym, but it's an example of the NIC card
2005/2/5-7 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux] UID:36073 Activity:moderate
2/5     I thinking of installing Debian Linux because a friend of mine says
        it's much easier to deal with when you install programs. For example,
        during an insntallation the installer will check for ALL dependencies
        and automatically download the right .so files you need. The claim
        is that RPMs are not as thorough and that there's more work involved.
        Has anyone tried both RH and Debian and have comments on this? ok thx
        \_ I've tried both. apt is definitely an advantage over just using rpm
           (as much as it is over just using dpkg).  However, I don't see any
           significant advantage over yum, which is easy to set up for redhat
           or any other rpm based distro.   I wouldn't use Fedora for
           anything important and I wouldn't pay for linux, so I'd say there
           are other reasons to ditch redhat.   -crebbs
           \_ yum seems to have more dependency resolution issues than apt-get
           \_ You seem to imply that Fedora is the only way to have free Red
              Hat. This is false.
           \_ I really like being able to install new packages with apt since
              it gives me a list of zillions of uninstalled products.  When I
              used yum it seemed like you could only upgrade existing packages.
              How do you use yum to search for and install packages not on your
              system?  Thanks.  -!op
              \_ yum search <glob>
                 (at this point you discover yum doesn't have shit you want
                  in the default repositories, now google around for a while
                  until you find a repository, add that to your list, then:)
                 yum install <package-name>
        \_ I currently have Fedora 2 installed on my home machine, and I
           installed Debian on my father's machine.  The current version
           of debian solves all the problems I had with it before.  It's
           is now easily superior to Fedora.  The only thing Fedora has
           that's better is better Korean support. -jrleek
        \_ Debian's package management superiority is a myth. Maybe four
           years ago it was better but now most Linux distributions come
           with utilities like up2date, yum, apt, etc that will take care
           of package dependencies and such. In addition, I'd like to point
           out that Debian suffers from extremely slow release cycle. The
           current stable version of debian comes with more than three-year
           old software. Debian geeks will tell you that the testing or
           "unstable" versions of Debian are just good enough, but do you
           really want to use a distribution that's changing all the time?
           I suggest to try Fedora Core 3.
           \_ I was right there with you till that last sentence.  Fedora
              has the opposite problem as Debian, the release cycle is too
              fast, and you basically HAVE to upgrade because if they are
              working on Fedora X+1 they will not fix issues in Fedora X
              they just say "upgrade to the latest fedora".  That is just
              not acceptable for anyone running more than 1 box. -crebbs
              \_ I am in complete agreement with you about Fedora. Those
                 guys are nuts in terms of releasing bleeding edge stuff.
                 It's great if you want to try out the latest/greatest
                 and you've got time to burn, but treat it as a research
                 or test box and not a production machine. For production
                 machines get RHEL or the free derivatives like White Hat,
                 etc. As for Debian and old software, well, that's the
                 character of Debian. Unfortunately some of us aren't so
                 lucky to be able to run the latest/greatest versions of
                 software so Debian makes sense for the hordes of IT shops
                 that need to remain backwards compatible. -williamc
           \_ Have you looked at Ubuntu? Supposed to be a more up to date
        \_ apt's dependency checking and conflict resolution is better
           than rpm's, but you don't need to install debian to use apt.
           apt can be built to handle rpms and run on RH. We use this
           at work in order to do dependency checking of RPMS on both
           RH and SuSE.
           \_ you seem to be comparing apples and oranges (apt vs. rpm)
              apt is supposed to be running on TOP of a low-level package
              manager, such as rpm or dpkg. You can't use apt without rpm on
              rpm based system. A more appropriate comparison would be apt vs.
              yum vs. up2date vs. other similar tools.

-- Motd purged by some free-market hating communist.  Order restored
   -- ilyas #1 fan
2005/1/28 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux, Computer/SW/OS/VM] UID:35946 Activity:high
1/28    VMWare + Fedora Core 3-2.6.9 really really sucks because they turned
        on the 4G mem translation and it slowed down quite a bit. However,
        VMWare + Fedora Core 3-2.6.10 is AWSOME! I don't know what they did
        but it's pretty fast. Thanks VMWare/Fedora people.
        \_ In other news, clueless sodan is screwing around with testbed
           bleeding-edge kernels and wonders why they perform strangely.
           Sodan in question also lacks what other people call "a life",
           and states that his favorite hobbies include painting miniatures,
           playing D&D with his other geek friends, and tweaking his
           bike so that it makes a fake motorcycle sound. Rest of Linux
           community polled basically "don't fucking give a shit" when
           asked how relevant Fedora Core running on vmware is to them.
           \_ What have you got against painting miniatures?
           \_ Wow, you are the one need to get a life.
              \_ Wow, you need one get the English Lesson.
              \_ Wow, you are need one get the English Lesson.
           \_ there used to be a time when soda's full of helpful technical
              posts like these, now it's turned into freeper for the
              democrats, I wonder what happened...
              \_ Like many nostalgists, you have a rose colored view of
                 the past. Here is the first motd posting from 1995
                 that I happened to click upon. Note that there is a
                 huge political discussion on it:
                 \_ http sucks. use ~kchang/bin/kais 02/01/1995
                        \_ VIRUS ALERT!!! Don't trust kchang!!!
2005/1/15-17 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux] UID:35729 Activity:nil
1/15    Uh, dumb question but is it possible to defrag Linux (under
        single user mode) and is it worthwhile, assuming you're the
        only person using it?
        \_ if you ever run fsck (or it's equiv on Linux), you'll see
           that you have very little fragmentation.
        \_ It is possible if you backup/restore your data, but I am not
           sure there is a point to it. Sure, it will be faster but
           the filesystem doesn't make little itty bits like NTFS does.
           \_ so besides small files what other engineering characteristics
              does NTFS have that make it fragment more so than Linux?
              And what special characteristics does Linux FS have?
2005/1/14-17 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux, Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:35725 Activity:moderate
1/14    I want to run imap and pop on a FreeBSD computer.  Can somebody
        recommed which imap suite to use.  For less than 100users in a
        NIS domain.
        \_ Courier is pretty nice. I've been running it on a debian
           server for over a year for pop and imap over ssl.
        \_ cyrus imapd
        \_ I am using Dovecot for imaps and Postfix+TLS for outgoing
           mail.  It's pretty solid, works happily with sasl2, and also
           lets me run regular imap for my SSL openwebmail server.  I would
           be glad to share my configs if you want.  -John
        \_ I've run both Courier and Cyrus.  I ran into problems with Courier
           scaling when there were either a) many users or b) a handful of
           users with large mailboxes (i.e. > 1000 messages).  Cyrus indexes
           its mailboxes so it handles large mailboxes much more gracefully.
           Cyrus is a pain in the ass to install, which is annoying because
           you really want to be running Cyrus 2.2.x and 1.5.x is the only
           version packaged for Debian.  Both Courier and Cyrus work with
           sasl2.  If you decide to run Cyrus, let me know and I can send you
           configs and my messy install notes.
           \_ There has been a change of plans.  I managed to port some
              code to my Solaris box and can milk a little more life out
              of it.  Thanks for the feedback.  We now return to our aaron
              and tom lovefest.  -op
2005/1/10-12 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux] UID:35633 Activity:low
1/10    Someone please suggest a nice STABLE version of Fedora? Thanks.
        \_ As stable as what? The whole point of Fedora is that it is
           a development base for RedHat.
        \_ FC3 seems pretty good. FC2 was not bad either. For customers
           who can't afford RHEL or won't try SuSE we usually ask them
           to install FC3.
           \_ If RHEL is what they want but they don't want to pay, why
              not tell them to use White Box Linux/CentOS etc.?
2005/1/8-10 [Computer/Networking, Computer/SW/OS/Linux] UID:35605 Activity:nil
1/7     Where in the Linux kernel can I find out the structure of say,
        ethernet frame structure, APR, IPv4, ICMP, IP, TCP, UDP?
        And which header files contain the type/protocol constants?
        \_ linux/skbuff.h.  struct sk_buff; --jwm
           \_ jwm, any comments on the recent 2.6.6 kernel?  --kngharv
              \_ Nope.  I don't really like Linux.  I use it at work, and
                 I have be working w/ most recently.  Vadim is the one
                 to talk to about Linux.
2005/1/5-7 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux, Computer/SW/OS/Solaris] UID:35563 Activity:very high
1/5     So who else thinks that Linux Kernel Development has gone haywire?
        WTF is up with this movement from an 8k to a 4k stack in the kernel
        that breaks tons of existing drivers that are ported over from
        Windows? And wtf is this crap doing on production distros like
        Fedora? Don't they realize that if you're going to have a large
        install base that you can't arbitrarily do crap like that anymore?
        \_ I agree that they are lame and have always have been, but
           Fedora isn't a production distro. That's RHEL.
           \_ So in other words RH just became even dumber than they used to
              be by foisting Fedora on the user community and charging
              for the bugfree version.
              \_ Fedora is a development platform; that's how it is positioned.
                 If you don't want a development platform, run RHEL, or
                 debian or whatever.  It's not being "foisted" on you.  -tom
                 \_ No shit sherlock. But the problem is that usually what
                    happens in Fedora is just reflected in RHEL. RH being
                    the dumbass company that it is obviously doesn't
                    do anything like do a real-world usability test on
                    its distro so going from one major release to the next
                    results in all your binaries being broken. Also,
                    a lot of end-user end up using Fedora because they
                    stopped distributing RH, so in effect it is being
                    foisted on the userbase with the said userbase
                    complaining about things being broken.
                    \_ you're a moron.  -tom (really)
                       \_ you're tom. -idiot
                          \_ Ouch, now THERE'S a harsh insult.
                       \_ I'm not sure what part you are objecting
                          to, but RH's pricing structure for EL has
                          driven lots of people to use Fedora Core
                          as a production OS. Many times it is hard
                          to justify the added cost of installing
                          EL and a customer choses to deploy FC.
                          You don't really have a choice but to
                          support FC as a application developer.
                          It isn't really practical to tell a customer
                          to install Debian 3.0R3 or something.
              \_ yeah but the bug free version is GPL also. you can try to
                 use CentOS or one of the other RHEL redistributions.
                 unfortunately they still suck as a consumer OS.
                 actually <DEAD><DEAD> looks interesting.
        \_ They break drivers all the time anyway as far as I could tell.
           You're supposed to stick with some old kernel for a long time for
           actual consumer use. But why would you need drivers for Linux?
           It's not like you can play games or really do anything anyway.
           \_ Well, unfortunately since Sun did such a bad job maintaining
              market share us EDA folks are being forced into Linux. Now
              we have to do do crap like recompile the kernel just so the
              stupid display driver works.
              \_ Yeah I use that stuff at work. As long as other people are
                 responsible for making it all work I don't really care.
        \_ I compare the adoption of linux by corporate america to the
           ubiquity of windows.  Some mid-level managers and idiot salespeople
           who thought it gave them cache foisted it upon the world where it
           went batshit crazy and drove us all insane.
           \_ I actually prefer Linux to, say, Solaris or HP-UX. It has
              its limitations, but overall it is cheaper, faster, and
              easier to maintain in many ways.
              \_ ditto. -- SUN guy
                     \_ No offense, but Solaris is a far better
                        operating system.  Just because for a long
                        time Solaris didnt ship with perl and you
                        have to build you own tcpdump doesnt make
                        it otherwise.  If you get involved in the
                        innards of operating systems, this is pretty
                        clear.  There are some SysV things that
                        arent ideal, but if you are trying to debug
                        low-level things, it is pretty clear.
                        \_ Not to mention that drivers actually work
                           in Solaris...
                           \_ Linux has far more working drivers than Solaris.
                              Solaris just works on the very limited hardware
                              Sun provides.  -tom
                           \_ I work for SUN and I've been fighting on driver
                              issue everyday.  And I can tell you flat out
                              that you may think driver works on Solaris, but
                              Linux is the only way to go.  People would
                              write Linux drivers, but SUN relys on 150 people
                              in Beijing to crank out those things one by
                              one.  As hard as those Chinese monkey works,
                              they can never match the speed which hardware
                              comes up.
                           \_ You must live in some other universe. I work
                              for Sun and we have the hardest time getting
                              drivers to work for even simple stuff like
                              gigE nics (ex E1000 driver on S10 was a
                              nightmare for a long time). And you can forget
                              about AGP in most cases. Some big shots felt
                              AGP was the shits so no support in Solaris.
                              There were several cluster deals we couldn't
                              bid on b/c there was no AGP support in Solaris.
                              \_ hey, would you mind if I contact you?
                                        -another SUN guy (id 152093)
                        \_ I think you may be missing the forest for the trees
                           here.  How many people spend their time debugging
                           ``low-level things?''  How many people just want
                           the system to come with a modern version of perl?
                           Once you reach a critical threshold level of
                           stability (which Linux hit some time in 1999 or
                           so) comparing OS internals dick size becomes
                           \- if you want to say linux is more useful
                              because i can surf my p0rn and play my mpegs
                              "better" that's fine. useful to me !=
                              better os design. it's not a matter of
                              how many people do this. it's more like
                              looking to a kernel crash dump tells you
                              a lot about what is under the hood.
                              \_ In the REAL world, most people write
                                 applications that run on the OS. I
                                 can almost understand that Sun doesn't
                                 want to ship MySQL or PostgreSQL w/
                                 Solaris, but WHY IN PARTHA'S NAME
                                 did they wait till S9U3 to ship wget
                                 in /usr/sfw and S10 to add gcc? I
                                 shouldn't have to go to some website
                                 to download badly packaged freeware.
                                 Every single Linux distro comes with
                                 this stuff pre-installed. Oh yeah,
                                 instead of chkconfig and isc dhcpd
                                 I get svcadm and sun dhcpd which are
                                 complete CRAP.
                                 Linux has its own problems, but one
                                 HUGE advantage of Linux is that you
                                 can tell your customers to get RHEL
                                 3 ES or SuSE Pro, install it in
                                 server config and then install your
                                 software on top of it. The same RPMS
                                 every time, in the same location,
                                 it makes it easy to test, debug and
                                 support. Unlike Solaris where you
                                 have to ship all your 3d party pkgs
                                 you don't have to worry about keeping
                                 up to date with fixes, PostgreSQL
                                 security patches, wget vulnerabilites
                                 &c. The OS vendor takes care of that
                                 so you can concentrate on your app.
                           \_ and for your information, MS Windows hit
                              that threshold by year 2000 with Windows 2000.
                              Despite you may not think that way.
              \_ I don't. Solaris + Native Sun HW is definitely a lot
                 easier to setup and better integrated than Linux. Solaris
                 x86 on the other hand makes zero sense. Sun HW also used
                 \_ let me tell you something.  The biggest mistake SUN
                    ever made was terminate its Solaris x86 program back in
                    2000.  Since then, Linux took off.
                                -SUN guy who is trying to sell Solaris10
                 to be quality, of course since the U-Sparc 5/10 days
                 this is no longer true. HP-UX is basically dead, has been
                 since the late 90s. I just think it's really lame that
                 in the year 2004 I have to recompile the stupid kernel
                 to get something like UDMA to work. In some ways, Linux
                 sucks because it's just a rehash of 30 year old tecnology
                 on cheap commodity hardware. I mean, shouldn't there be
                 something better than what's essentially just glorified
                 UNIX? In all the years with Linux I haven't really seen
                 anything that really was groundbreaking in terms of
                 kernel dev. I mean, wtf was Torvaldis smoking when he
                 decided he was too lazy to implement a modular structure
                 to the kernel, and why hasn't this been corrected in the
                 15 odd years that Linux has been around?
                 \_ What Torvalds was smoking when he decided he was too lazy
                    to implement a modular structure in the kernel:
                    You may bitch, but history shows him to be correct.
                    \_ "correct"...  Linux has become more modular over time,
                       and other OSes haven't sacrificed their modular design
                       at the altar of Linus.  What exactly was he "correct"
                       about?  That linux beat minix?  Big whoop.
                       \_ Hah, exactly my point. It's like saying that
                          the Chinese had stopped charging families for the
                          bullet they execute prisoners with. Going from
                          the Americans had stopped genociding people
                          for human rights, freedom and democracy.  Going from
                          crap to not so crappy isn't exactly innovation.
                \_ the bigger picture is not about technical superiority.
                   and i was hoping you guys notice that when Windows captured
                   98% of the OS market while argueably it is the worse
                   major OS on the market right now.
                   \_ No, the point was that Windows 98 was backwards
                      compatible with Windows 95 which was backwards
                      compatible with Windows 3.11, etc. Now Linux
                      version 2.6.6 isn't even fucking compatible with
                      Linnux version 2.6.5. That's progress?
        \_ Man, this whole thread could be summarised as: OP is upset that
           Linux community doesn't care about 3rd party drivers, and many
           CSUAers continue to deride Linux for not being enough like
           X \in { BSD, Solaris, DomainOS, ... }.
2004/12/28 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux, Computer/SW/Security] UID:35455 Activity:high
12/28   I have access to a large supply of psx, n64 and snes...besides
        games are there any good uses for these consoles?  Are there
        ways to use them for parallel computing or educational
        purposes? -scottyg
        \- see e.g.
           i wonder if they were able to buy the hardware subsidized. --psb
        \_ got any spare saturns?  Want to sell one?  -aspo
           \_sure, go to -scottyg
            \_ 50 bucks???  That isn't so square.
               \_ Check ebay, Saturns are having a bit of a revival.  I'll
                  be putting mine up soon, with games, if you're
                  interested. -jrleek
       \- see e.g.
          i wonder if they were able to buy the hardware subsidized. --psb
       \_ got any spare saturns?  Want to sell one?  -aspo
2004/12/26-27 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux, Computer/SW/OS/Windows] UID:35445 Activity:nil
12/26   Anyone who has written device drivers for Windows and Linux befor?
        I would like to know your opinions on what are difficulties for
        mediocre programmers to get started on writing device drivers for
        Linux.  lack of IDE tools? lack of tutrial code segment?  thx
        \_ I have written file system drivers for both, and have written
           some USB/serial filter drivers for Windows. What would you
           specifically like to know? -williamc
           \_ cool.  I'll email you for things I want to know.  for those
              who are interested in the subject, let me know so i put you
              in the loop.
2004/11/19-21 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux, Computer/SW/OS/Windows] UID:34991 Activity:high
11/19 (
        Microsoft Warns Linux lawsuits.
        \_ Which crack pipe did Balmer smoke from when he made this
           announcement? What total FUD.
           \- I like: "Nobody ever knows who built open-source software!"
           \- I like: "Nobody ever knows who built open-source software!"--psb
                \_ In some ways this is true. Do you really know who
                   wrote your linux ethernet driver, or who was resp.
                   for the png library that mozilla uses? You could
                   probably find out with some work for most things,
                   but there are lots of bits and pieces that are
                   completely unattributed.
                   \_ Actually, it's funny.  I once had what I thought was
                      a buggy Freebsd ethernet driver, and it wasn't very
                      hard to find out the exact person responsible, mail him,
                      and get a reply (ultimately I had a hardware problem).
                      That's not something I could have done with MS. -- ilyas
                        \_ Personally I prefer OSS, I've had to debug
                           lots of things (squid, tomcat, nfs, ...)
                           and it was much easier on FreeBSD/Linux b/c
                           I had the source. However, many of the src
                           files were completely unattriubted and even
                           the project leaders didn't quite know how
                           some of the stuff worked. It wasn't like
                           OSS was any better than M$ (or other comm.
                   \- it's not like there is any liability that attaches
                      to msft if their os is unreliable. "who cares".--psb
                      to msft if their os is unreliable. "who cares".
                      to msft if their os is unreliable, so "who cares".
                      i think far more significantly msft code base is so
                      large, they are the ones with problems tracking things
                      down due to complexity. --psb
                      \_ Seconded.  MS was actually pretty cooperative with
                         my last client, although they have a small country
                         organization, and the client is the 800lbs gorilla
                         here.  The best actual business-valid reason I can
                         get out of most management against OSS is "there's no
                         one to sue", which is bunkum--I've never known this
                         to be the case.  The more appropriate phrase is "no
                         one ever got fired for hiring IBM."  It's purely a
                         psychological safety blanket for the "more expensive
                         must mean it's better" crowd.  I'm currently working
                         with a big outfit considering an OSS solution both
                         on its technical merits, and on the idea that, if
                         something is broken, they can hire someone to come
                         fix it... -John
2004/11/12 [Computer/HW/Drives, Computer/SW/OS/Linux, Computer/SW/OS/Windows] UID:34853 Activity:moderate
11/12   Dual boot question:  I had a hard drive set up with dual boot.
        XP and Linux.  I had problems with the Windows partition.
        I got a new hard drive.  I connected the new hard drive and set it
        as the slave drive.  I went into setup and set it to boot from the
        slave drive (the new one).  I then reinstalled XP on the new drive.
        Oops.  My boot loader on the original drive got overwritten.  The
        Linux partition is still there, but I can't boot to Linux.  I need
        to resetup my dual boot.  I would like to have 2 options when I
        turn on my computer.  One option would boot to my Linux partition
        on my original hard disk (now set as the master).  The other option
        would be to boot to XP on the new hard disk (now set as the slave).
        I think I want to go into setup and have it boot from the master,
        and then use my Red Hat CD to resetup the boot loader.  But I'm
        not really sure what I'm doing and I don't want to screw things up.
        I don't want to reinstall Linux.  I simply want to fix the boot
        loader.  Please help!
        \_ You are already on the right track. You can boot either from
           the first install CD or you can use the .iso image for the emergency
           cd. It will guide you through mounting your existing RedHat
           partition. You can then use either grub or lilo to reinstall the
           bootblock on the master CD... but you will need to make changes
           to either your lilo.conf or grub.conf to tell it to book
           XP from the other drive now instead. Once you finish that, you can
           go back into the bios and tell it to boot from the primary hd again.
        \_ You should have installed XP first, then Linux. Windows loves
           to scribble over the boot partition of every disk it can find.
           Having said that, if you want to avoid having to reinstall
           Linux, you will need to boot from a linux boot floppy. At
           least, that was the only thing I could figure out to do
           when I was in your boat. Maybe one of these 3l33+3 linux
           hackers has a better way.
           \_ Well, I don't need to install Linux.  I only need to setup
              the boot loader.  Are you sure this is the same situation
              you were in?  Windows is installed on one drive.  Linux on
              another.  And I just want to modify the boot loader, not
              install anything.
              \_ When you installed Windows XP it overwrote the MBR on your
                 Linux drive, so no you don't really have Linux installed
                 right now. You have a partial linux installation, that you
                 need to repair. I don't know how to do that.
        \_ This is far too much spew for a simple question. Why do we need
           to see useless details about your disks and blah blah? Anyway
           just boot using the floppy and run the lilo tool or whatever.
        \_ The problem I've always had with dual-booting is that if one
           disk goes bad, it can be a real pain to get the other up in
           isolation. If you're using the Grub bootloader, I know you can
           install windows to drive 0, take it out, then put your linux
           drive in as 0 and install Linux. Then put the windows drive
           back in as drive 1.  You can then boot to Linux and set up grub
           such that when you boot to your windows drive, your windows
           drive is tricked into believeing it is drive 0.  This setup is
           a bit of work initially, but I've found it to be very robust.
           If you're interested, I can tell you how to set up grub.
           -jrleek (!Linux guru)
2004/11/4-5 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux] UID:34670 Activity:nil
11/4    Is it feasible to attach a sun storedge A1000 to a linux box?
        I'd really like to.
        \_ I heard some people have done it. However, there is no
           Linux software to either configure or monitor it. So, if
           your RAID LUNs are not setup you first need to connect it
           to a Sun box running a supported version of Solaris and RAID
           Manager (TM) including all the recommended OS and firmware
           patches for A1000 and configure it the way you like.
           Then you might be able to connect it to a Linux box.
           Also, setting up the LUNs with logical numbers other than
           0 is probably asking for problems.
2004/11/4 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux] UID:34651 Activity:nil
11/04   Any book recommendation on overall view of Linux Kernels?  I don't
        I dont' need source-code level detail, but I would like to know
        things like how device driver works in Linux, etc.  Thx
        \_ Don't know about books, but is
           pretty cool.  -John
2004/11/3-4 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux] UID:34619 Activity:low
11/3    Is it just me or does Adobe Acrobat tend to go apeshit in Mozilla on
        Linux?  I've also noticed than on WinXP it stays running even after I
        close the page that was using it
        \_ Are you using Acrobat 6.0 Reader? If you are, downgrade to 5.0.
           6.0 has a lot of problems, period.
           \_ Acrobat 6 doesn't exist for Linux.
           \_ For Acrobat6, I urge you go to the "plug_ins" directory
              and get rid of all but EWH32.api and Search.api plugins.
              This will speed up the start up time by an order of
              magnitude and enhance the stability of the reader.  google
              for detail.
        \_ I've had issues under Windows as well (with 6.0).  Works fine
           since I told it to not check for upgrades. -John
        \_ It seems like the latest Linux version (5.0.9) seems to have
           serious problems on all recent Linux distributions (i have used
           it on Fedora and RHEL). It uses up lots of CPU, crashes, fails
           to format documents properly, etc. It still doesn't seem to
           have problems on older distributions such as RedHat 7.3.
           Maybe it has to do with the new kernel or the stuff..
           \_ If that's the case then it most likely is a libc version
              problem. I know that precompiled binaries on older commercial
              software tends to break between RH 8 and RH 9. I would install
              the backwards compatible libc versions, I think there was an
              rpm for that, do a websearch on the topic.
2004/10/9 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux] UID:34002 Activity:kinda low
10/8    Anyone recommendations on a decent 64-bit linux distro?
        \_ There aren't very many, and the ones there are seem immature.
           Yer hozed.
        \_ SuSE 9 isn't half bad. Several of our customers are
           using it and seem to like it. RH EL 3.0 is okay as
2004/9/28-30 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux] UID:33821 Activity:low
9/29    Which webcam should I get for easy use with linux (Debian)?
        \_ Get a webcam that outputs normal NTSC composite, get a BT848/
           BT87[89] based board.  Done.
           \_ There must be a better solution.  This adds at least $50,
              requires opening the case, and had an unnecessary D->A->D stage.
        \_ Do everybody a favor (this it the perfect opportunity): call
           Logitech, or Microsoft, or whoever you're interested in, and ask
           this same question.  Flatter, say you've heard good things about
           their product, and ask which one works best with linux (and
           FreeBSD).  Feel free to be shocked if they can't answer you.
        \_ I hate logitech. They no longer makes just the windows driver
           downloadable. To get the driver, you have to download a fucking
           50mb executable which installs a shit load of crap on your computer,
           anyone know of any webcam that provides just the driver??
2004/9/28 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux] UID:33811 Activity:high
9/28    I am trying to get fault address and ip(instruction pointer)
        information in a signal handler under Linux.  I know how to
        do this, but it doesn't seem to work under linux (redhat 7 & 8).
        Are there any special tricks?  --jwm
        \_ The code I am using to test is in ~jwm/sigtest.c --jwm
        \_ I use the following to get the instruction pointer for an
           timer based profiler I had to write:
           void profile_handler(int sig, siginfo_t *info, void *uap) {
                // grab the old pc from the user context
                // this is x86 linux specific crap
                ucontext_t *context = (ucontext_t *)uap;
                greg_t pc = context->uc_mcontext.gregs[REG_EIP];

            I know this works on debian and some variants of redhat.
            I hope this helps. --twohey.
            \_ I should add that I setup the signal handler using sigemptyset,
               sigaddset, and sigaction. --twohey
            \_ This is perfect, thank you.  --jwm
2004/9/13-14 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux] UID:33510 Activity:nil
9/13    What is the deal with redhat using local7 for the boot.log ?
        I thought localX was supposed to be for me to use, not the system.
       (I've hardware that will only log to to local7 and it is annoying to
        have the boot stuff mixed up in there).  If i change initlog.conf
        to say local6, that will do the trick right?   Can I make that
        take effect without rebooting?
2004/9/12-13 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux, Computer/SW/Graphics] UID:33481 Activity:kinda low
9/12    For those who use LaTeX, what do you use to create diagrams of vector
        graphics?  I don't want to insert a bitmap if I don't have to.
        \_ I make all my graphics in Adobe Illustrator, then save them
           as .eps and include them in the document with \figure.
           I also include graphs from various other programs, and I just
           make sure they're all exported as .eps files.
        \_ I've always used MS Visio. If you have access to it, you should
           try it. It's very easy to use, surprisingly powerful, and you can
           export to a variety of formats, including .eps.
        \_ Have used Illustrator, Visio, and OS X's OmniGraffle, all of which
           work just fine and are recommended.
        \_ I used xfig... "unique" UI and all.  --dbushong
        \_ tgif is a lot nicer than xfig. -- ilyas
           Look in the "vector programs" section
2004/9/10 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA, Computer/SW/OS/Linux] UID:33458 Activity:nil Edit_by:auto Entry has been invalidated. Access denied.
2004/8/6 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux] UID:32739 Activity:nil
8/6     Switch to linux:
2004/8/5 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux, Computer/HW/Memory] UID:32702 Activity:high
8/4     Lunar landing computer: 74kb:
        \_ Does anyone else think the switches in the picture look
           somewhat rude?
           \_ Those switches serve dual purposes.  Why else do you think they
              are installed at mouth level?
2004/8/2-3 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux] UID:32646 Activity:nil 66%like:32625 57%like:32529 66%like:32504
8/2     Kool-aid for Linux:
2004/8/2-3 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux] UID:32632 Activity:very high
8/2     Linux newbie question, for dual boot is it better to install
        on one partitioned HD, or an entirely separate HD?
        \_ It's better to install vmware.  But if you must dual boot,
           it's definitely better on a separate HD.  -tom
           \_ It's not better to install vmware. It depends on what
              your needs are.
           \_ vmware sux for games; some of us play games newer than
              \_ You and the other anti-tom person above better get a clue.
                 tom has spoken.  The Final Word on linux dual boot has been
                 heard.  All hail!
        \_ separate hd is easier and gives you the option to take the
           drive out and stick it into a dedicated system later on.
        \_ Follow-up newb question, any distro recommendations?  I'm
           waffling between Debian (I like the idea of ease of updates
           and upgrades) and Slackware (simplicity can be good, but maybe
           too "raw" for a newb?).
           \_ You're interested in Debian and you think *Slackware* is too
           \_ Learn to walk before you can run. Install fedora core 2 and
              get used to linux before trying something like debian or
              slackware (Debain is a much better choice than slackware
              \_ If he's new, he's new.  Fedora/RH9+ won't be any easier
                 than Debian or anything else.  He's still going to have to
                 read a zillion man pages and google everything.  He should
                 start with what he wants to end with and not waste time
                 learning other unrelated noise.
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