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2017/09/23 [General] UID:1000 Activity:popular

2013/4/9-5/18 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA, Computer/SW/Mail] UID:54647 Activity:nil
4/8     What's a good free e-mail provider? I don't want to use Gmail,
        Yahoo, Outlook, or any of those sites with features I never use that
        track my personal info and keep changing their interface. I want just
        simple e-mail without privacy issues or all the baggage these large,
        for-profit companies are adding. I might even be willing to pay.
        \_ Not free though.
        \_ soda has been very consistent for the past few decades,
           why don't you use soda?
           \_ I thought soda stopped hosting mail years ago.  -- !OP
        \_  -- completely insecure, but great for throwaway
           email accounts.
2012/10/15-12/4 [Computer/SW/Mail] UID:54501 Activity:nil
10/15   What's the soda email client these days?
        \_ Don't know.  /usr/bin/mail hasn't been working for a while.
        \_ forward to Gmail.
        \_ mutt works for me
2011/4/6-20 [Industry/Startup, Computer/SW/Unix, Computer/SW/Mail] UID:54078 Activity:nil
4/6     My company is evaluating version control systems. Our two candidates
        are Perforce and Subversion. Anyone worked with both and have good
        arguments one way or the other? (These are the only two options we
        have.) We're most interested in client performance, ease of use, and
        reasonable branching.
        \_ I'll be 'that guy'. If perforce and subversion are optins, why isn't
           git? Having not used perforce, I can't say much about it, but svn is
           grossly insufficient for my branching and checkpointing needs. I
           cannot use svn anymore without git-svn.
           \_ svn+trac = nice.  git-svn+trac = OH THE HORROR.
           \_ Corporate standards. (Yes, it's a stupid reason.) -op
           \_ In what way is svn insufficient for your branching needs? All of
              the claims I see about svn not supporting branching well predate
              the merge support added in svn 1.5. I've not used svn and so am
              not able to tell to what extent that merge support works.
        \_ I have used P4win and the mods P4py and what not.  I thought they
           wre great at core focus, but lousy at being customizeable.  You will
           probably go with Perforce tho since the app looks nice on winboxen.
           git for windows is knida amateur looking.
           \_ There is also P4-Emacs at which
              I've used for a few years.  -- yuen
        \_ State your eng size. This will be one of the most decisive factors.
           Perforce for 5 employees? FORGET IT.
           Subversion for 1000 employees? FORGET IT.
           \_ Try bugzilla on 1000 employees.  Ugh. the horror.
           I've used p4, svn, and git. All have advantages and disadvantages.
           Use the wrong tool for the wrong size, you'll be bitching all the way.
           What people don't realize is that there is something else much more
           important than what you use-- a code-review process.
           \_ We are a group of about 50 developers right now, with plans to
              expand in the coming years and to manage more of our internal
              tools through version control.
              We do code reviews, although we're currently re-evaluating our
              tool choices there as well. Our options are Crucible and Code
              Collaborator. -op
              \_ Go with SVN.  You sound like small shop.
2010/7/29-8/9 [Computer/SW/Mail] UID:53905 Activity:nil
7/29    How do I get pine to work with mail? I have 1900 mails and I want
        to delete them. Or is there a better one to use? never learned
        \_ mutt
           \_ so why doesn't alpine work? What setting should I use to have
              it work with my csua mail folder? Thanks!
              \_ Use of maildir and apparently a still-broken SSL cert for mail
                 ...seriously, alpine just doesn't support Maildir.
        \_ Reply from root. At least I'm not the only one having issue.
        As far as accessing mail, your mailspool is still accessible via NFS
        on soda: /var/mail/username
        Of course, this mount is only accessible via soda,
        so if you're not using alpine on soda, you'll need to find a different

        I'd give you more details on configuring alpine to read mailspools,
        but I'm off work soon, and I won't be near a computer for a while
        afterwards. You should be able to google it - sorry for not having
        clear instructions handy.
        \_ Thanks for the detailed reply. I was able to delete my mails via
           mutt. Nice program. -op
2010/4/7-8 [Computer/SW/Mail] UID:53776 Activity:nil
4/7     postfix equivalent of 'sendmail -bt' ?
2017/09/23 [General] UID:1000 Activity:popular

2010/3/10-30 [Computer/SW/Mail] UID:53751 Activity:nil
3/10    What email program do people in Cal CS use nowadays?  In my school days
        people used /usr/bin/mail, then RMail in emacs, then VMail in emacs.
        After my days people used Elm, Pine, Mutt (I forgot which order).  In
        my first two jobs we could tell the seniority of fellow engineers based
        on which email program they use at work, because everyone used what
        they used to use in their school years.  In my last two jobs though,
        everyone was forced to use Outlook.
        \_ isn't it all about Gmail and other web based mail apps now?
           \_ I only use mail/mutt/elm these days to test outgoing mail
              and view headers for production machines, kind of sad.
        \_ The vast majority of students use web interfaces to email almost
           exclusively.  -tom
           \_ This. Most everyone uses gmail or squirrelmail, then some use
              (that piece of shit) Thunderbird or Outlook.
              \_ Then does the CS Dept. still give out class accounts on UNIX
                 machines?  -- OP
                 \_ Yes they do. And for email inst advises mutt or pine.
        \_ I use mutt to read gmail.
        \_ I still use VM, but it doesn't work so well with newer emacsen.
2009/9/10-15 [Computer/SW/Mail] UID:53353 Activity:nil
9/9     What should outbound mail server be when reading mail from soda
        with IMAP? Is there a FAQ?
        \_ It's <DEAD><DEAD> (same as for incoming mail).
           \_ "The message could not be sent because connecting to SMTP
               server <DEAD><DEAD> failed. The server may
               be unavailable or is refusing SMTP connections."
               I tried TLS, SSL, and plain old SMTP.
               \_ Are you using port 587?  Port 25 won't work.
                  \_ No, I was not using 587. Now I am and I get the same
2009/7/22-29 [Computer/SW/Mail] UID:53183 Activity:nil
7/22    How many people here use rss/atom, and how many people don't use it
        at all? If you use it, what client do you use? I'll start.
        \_ mix of google reader and safari subscription                 -kchang
        \_ I go to <DEAD><DEAD> and
        \_ I use NetNewsWire on mac.
2009/7/7-16 [Computer/SW/Mail] UID:53120 Activity:nil
7/7     What values do I use to get alpine to read my inbox?  It says the folder
        can't be found.  thanks -scottyg
        \_ Still no love, I don't have an inbox.  Just sent mail.  Is this
           happening for everyone?  -scottyg
           \_ Try now.
2009/7/2-16 [Computer/SW/WWW/Server, Computer/SW/Security, Computer/SW/Mail] UID:53106 Activity:nil
7/2     Is imaps working?  What are the hostnames of the "incoming and
        outgoing mail servers" for CSUA email, and what kind of options
        should one set?

        I also noticed that we seem
        \_ Setup yer .forward or .procmailrc for now. I'm at a loss, too.
        \_ <DEAD><DEAD>. Using SSH (on default port 993) like before.
        \_ <DEAD><DEAD>. Over SSL (on default port 993) like before.
          \_ alpine doesnt seem to work. i try
                Folders on <DEAD><DEAD>:993 in cur
                but get timeouts .. using cur for "inbox" folder
2009/6/30-7/15 [Computer/SW/Mail] UID:53095 Activity:nil
6/29    Do I need to enable pine?
        \_ Try alpine.  Pine isn't supported anymore --steven
          \_ alpine not working. are there any config instructions
                for using alpine with csua?
            \_ Try using imaps as described in a future posting ^
2009/6/1-5 [Computer/SW/Mail] UID:53067 Activity:nil
        \_ postings with signatures should be deleted.
        \_ fucking lame. don't waste your time.
        \_ this is for salespeople              --brain
2008/12/18-2009/1/7 [Computer/SW/Mail] UID:52279 Activity:nil
12/18   Campus USENET service will be terminated on 12/31.
        \_ I emailed RobR to tell him. -ausman
        \_ The CSUA is considering asking campus to allow us to run NNTP for
           ucb.class.*, as bSpace sucks major major ass. Thoughts? --t
           \_ That's noble, but maybe the effort would be better spent
              writing a web-based bulletin board that doesn't suck?
              \_ Big difference in outlay of effort IMO. No. --t
           \_ You should do this, if you have the inclination.
              \_ I just emailed Michael Sinatra, the person who sent the
                 reminder. Who else should I email? --t
           \_ Surely you can come up with something better than NNTP and
              Usenet, even if bSpace isn't it.  -tom
              \_ Seconded. Get on with the Web 2.0 bandwagon and forget about
                 gopher, mozilla 0.1, and nntp usenet. It's like people in the
                 70s trying to design a computer using tubes all over again.
                 The world move forward.                                -kchang
                 \_ Sarcasm, I hope. Web 2.0 the marketing strategy is a sham.
                    Web 2.0 the technology (AJAX, etc.), OTOH, I can sort of get
                    behind. --t
                    Web 2.0 the technology (AJAX, etc.), OTOH, I can sort of
                    get behind. --t
              \_ But what's wrong with USENET/NNTP? It's served the classes
                 wonderfully, isn't broken, and there are plenty of programs
                 that *others* maintain. In fact, this is exactly why bSpace's
                 attempt at web-based bulletin board sucks so hard. I can't run
                 a desktop client/script to check bSpace forum messages, and a
                 replacement of sufficient complexity, similarity, and
                 portability would essentially be reimplementing NNTP, badly and
                 haphazardly in such a way that few classes would care to use,
                 as it would not be integrated into their system as bSpace is.
                 Sorry alumni, replacing a shitty new system with a shitty newer
                 system is a shitty idea. --t
                 portability would essentially be reimplementing NNTP, badly
                 and haphazardly in such a way that few classes would care to
                 use, as it would not be integrated into their system as
                 bSpace is. Sorry alumni, replacing a shitty new system with
                 a shitty newer system is a shitty idea. --t
                 \_ What's wrong with USENET is that the distribution mechanism
                    sucks and the signal to noise ratio is effectively zero.
                    That doesn't matter so much for ucb.class.*, but then you
                    get into the fact that the interface sucks, too.  What
                    percentage of students in the relevant classes do you
                    think actually pay attention to ucb.class.*?  -tom
                    \_ I'd say 80% or more in the classes that use it. No lie.
                       There's a very *low* amount of noise. The CS188 amd CS61C
                       classes typically run into the several thousand posts.--t
                       There's a very *low* amount of noise. The CS188 amd
                       CS61C classes typically run into the several thousand
           \_ How much do you know about USENET? Groups like ucb.class.*
              don't really have a home or a host. Several non-Berkeley NNTP
              servers propagate the ucb.* hierarchy, although most do not.
              All you need is access to a free USENET server that accepts
              these groups. While there is value in CSUA running such a server,
              ucb.* isn't dead without it. More important is official buy-in.
              If the teaching staff for a class doesn't promote the newsgroups,
              they won't get used, regardless of how they're supported.
              It might be worth asking CNS (or whoever) if they can provide
              you with any data on usage of the ucb.* groups.
              \_ I'm pretty sure teaching staff will go along with NNTP if
                 there's someone supporting it. There are peripheral
                 benefits, such as being able to legitimately plug the CSUA
                 in all of the CS classes with active newsgroups. --t
        \_ No more alt.stories.* on soda.  One fewer reason to log on.
           \_ alt.stories.*? I do not know of what you speak. Explain? --t
              \_ I think he means
        \_ I am all for more reasons for to exist.
           Undergrads, PLEASE host NNTP for ucb.eecs! ok tnx.
        \_ God damn, one of the main reason I log on to csua is to
           browse the news group. Call me old fashioned but I still
           like the tin interface better than anything else. This is
2008/11/18-23 [Computer/SW/Mail] UID:52031 Activity:nil
11/18   Say I've written a pcap-based program which pulls out the message
        body of unencrypted SMTP sessions and writes those into file1 file2
        file3 ... fileN. Is there a simple way to get a spam-score for
        each of those [based on message body, not SMTP headers, sender
        reputations etc]. I'd like to have a program warn me if some
        IP address inside my institution starts sending say >10 suspect
        emails in a small window of time [usually indicates a infected
        windows box, but also dont want addresses in our range blacklisted].
        So the question boils down to: can I get spam assassin to return
        the "spam score" of an arbitrary file from a shell script.
        \- I see a perl project called "babycart" ... any other ideas?
2008/11/11-26 [Computer/SW/Mail] UID:51911 Activity:nil
11/11   My RAID box has an email alert setting that requires an SMTP
        server. Are there non-encrypted smtp servers I can use?
        \_ yes
2008/10/21-27 [Computer/SW/Mail] UID:51618 Activity:nil
10/21   Outlook question: Is there a way to configure Outlook such that when I
        reply to a message, the "Sent:" time in the original mail will contain
        timezone information?  I'm working on a project with a team in China,
        and it's often confusing which timezones the "Sent:" times refer to in
        an e-mail chain.  Thanks.
2008/4/30-5/2 [Computer/SW/Mail, Industry/Startup] UID:49859 Activity:nil
4/30    pidgin developers hate selves, they fork it:
2008/4/3-9 [Computer/SW/Mail, Computer/SW/RevisionControl] UID:49661 Activity:nil
4/3     In "p4 client", modtime/nomodtime sets the file timestamp to
        either the modification time from submitting client or the time that
        the file is fetched.  Is there a way to set the file timestamp to
        the time that the file was submitted, like what ClearCase does?  Thx.
        \_ How is this different from the modtime option? Are you concerned
           about clock skew or timezone differences?
           \_ Say someone has a local file with a last-modification date of
              1/1/2001 in the local file system.  He submits it on 4/2/2008 and
              I sync to it on 4/3/2008.  Now, "nomodtime" will make the last-
              modification of my copy of the file 4/3/2008, while "modtime"
              will make it 1/1/2001.  I want 4/2/2008.  -- OP
2008/3/18-21 [Computer/SW/Mail] UID:49483 Activity:nil
3/18    I would like to ask for help exporting my mail from outlook. I tried
        using File->Import and Export->Export to a file but that either
        did not work (PST usage is disabled on this computer) or didn't bring
        along attachments. Does anyone know how to do this? Thanks.
        \_ Check google.  There's a bunch of free and cheap tools out there.
           There's one in particular I can't recall right now but I'll post
           if I remember it later.
2008/1/28-2/2 [Computer/SW/Mail] UID:49023 Activity:nil
1/28    When I run Thunderbird to use my soda mail, I can read mail but I can't
        send.  It gives an error "Sending of message failed.  The message
        could not be sent because connecting to SMTP server
        <DEAD><DEAD> failed. ......"  Is there some special setup
        that I need to configure in order to send mail?  Thanks.
        \_ Just use your ISP's SMTP server to send mail. Soda probably
           only allows sending from berkeley domains.
2007/10/24-25 [Computer/SW/Mail, Computer/SW/P2P] UID:48429 Activity:kinda low
10/24   is there a command line bittorrent client that lets me download
        selective files out of a torrent, instead of the entire torrent?
        I have this torrent "Busty Conquests of Wendy Whoppers" that contains
        10+ hardcore clips of Wendy Whoppers and her 32GGG breasts, but I
        think I have 3 of these already.  I don't want to destroy my ratio
        downloading gigantic breast porn I already have.  thanks.
        \_ ratio?  what's the point of doing ratios using bittorrent to
           download?  wouldn't they want as many as possible downloaders?
           btw, 32ggg sounds like a medical condition, not hot.
           \_ My website of 32GGG TIT PORN depends on ratios.  So if I download
              3 gigs, I have to leave my computer on until I upload 3 gigs.
              but if I only want 100 megs out of the torrent, like 2 movies
              I can use a graphical bittorrent client to choose which files
              I want.  Is there a command line bittorrent client that does
              \_ I wasn't asking about your fetish.  I was asking why a
                 torrent site would implement ratios.
                 \_ It's so people dont kill off their torrents immediately
                    after getting their data.  This helps people who come
                    along in the future and join the torrent.
                    \_ So if you d/l 1 gig, is re-upping that same file to
                       others good for your ratio or you need to u/l a new
                       file to the network?
                       \_ I need to keep my ratio of uploading
                          BIG???? at a 1.0 ratio, or i can't download
                          new torrents handled by this tracker.
2007/8/21-22 [Computer/SW/Mail] UID:47698 Activity:nil
8/21    Would someone please post the IMAP and SMTP setting for soda email
        please?  thanks
2007/4/17-19 [Computer/SW/Mail] UID:46338 Activity:nil
4/17    Is IMAP up?  If not, how can I get pine/mutt to read my new
        maildir-based mail folder?
        \_ Pine and mutt both have native maildir support -- they should be
           able to access your inbox without any special configuration.  You
           can also use IMAP if you want, but only the secure version (imaps),
           Let me know if these aren't working for you.  --mconst
           and you need to use <DEAD><DEAD> as the server.  Let me
           know if these aren't working for you.  --mconst
2007/4/5-7 [Computer/SW/Mail, Computer/HW/Drives] UID:46203 Activity:nil
4/5     IMAP questions
        1. when I IMAP, I got this error:
        "the current comand did not succeed.
        The mail server responded: Out of disk space"
        what did I do wrong?
        2. is SMTP the same server as IMAP server?
        \_ 1) uh, your server is out of disk space.  it is possible but
              unlikely that your server is telling you you're over quota.
           2) SMTP is the protocol mail servers use to talk to each other
              to transmit mail (very simplified).  IMAP is what your client
              uses to talk to your mail server to retrieve mail.  IMAP is
              different from POP (which also is a client protocol) in that
              POP downloads your mail to the client where you're expected to
              deal with, while IMAP lets you have folders and such on the
              server for long term storage.  This allows you to read your
              mail from different computers and still see the same folders
              while POP is limited to whatever is still in your Inbox.
           Hope that helped.
2007/3/4-6 [Computer/SW/Languages/C_Cplusplus, Computer/SW/Mail, Computer/HW/Memory] UID:45865 Activity:nil 54%like:45917
3/4     trn crashes on me upon startup:
        "*** glibc detected *** malloc(): memory corruption: 0x08091618 ***
        Any idea?  Thanks.
2007/2/11-13 [Computer/SW/Mail, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA, Computer/SW/WWW/Server] UID:45709 Activity:nil
2/11    \_ Is POP back up?  Haven't got it to work since Soda got back
        up.  (SSL port 995)
        \_ Legitimately curious, why use POP when you IMAP is available to you?
           \_ Uh, isn't IMAP still down?  I still can't access it
              \_ I neither know nor care.  I forward mail off soda to a box
                 where I run IMAP. :) -dans
           \_ In the past (1997) when I used IMAP, it would mark my messages
              as "read" when I read them on my client machine.  I don't like
              this, I like to have the messages as two distinct instances, one
              on Soda and one on my home machine.  If I read it on my client I
              want it to still show and unread on Soda.  Also, IMAP is more for
              people with always on connections, which I don't have.  That's
              why I prefer offline processing (Pop) vs interactive processing
              \_ Hmm, I don't understand why you'd want things you've read not
                 to be marked as read, but if that's how you work, more power
                 to you.  It's worth noting that many modern IMAP clients, eg
                 OS X's, have excellent offline modes, which serves
                 the same purposes as POP, but with IMAP's richer semantics.
                 \_ Thanks, maybe I'll check it out again.  10 yrs of software
                    development may have fixed my intial hang-ups.
2007/2/10 [Computer/SW/Mail, Computer/Companies/Google] UID:45706 Activity:nil
2/10    Yay! Say goodbye to MSN and Yahoo!
2007/2/8 [Computer/SW/Mail] UID:45686 Activity:nil
2/7     Hi, I updated the following:
        in my .pinerc.  Now I start pine, my inbox is always empty.
        even I sent test emails to this account.  I don't receive them.
        I thought that is what we needed to get mail in the new inbox.
2007/2/7-11 [Computer/SW/Mail] UID:45682 Activity:high
2/7     Has anyone got Pine to work in the new CSUA environment?  I
        didn't see anything in the FAQ that described this.  When I open
        up Pine I get:

        [Can't open /var/mail/theeric: not a selectable folder]

        When I try to do anything (i.e move up or down with arrow, hit I
        for mail), I get another error:

        [Command " " not defined for this screen. Use ? for help
        \_ I don't understand why anyone would sit down at a shell for
           the first time and choose the most broken and least functional
           mail client given so many other quality choices.
           \_ I use /usr/bin/mail.  -- !OP
           \_ Maybe because your claim that it's "most broken" is idiotic?
              Maybe because it's easy to work and you don't have to read any
              documentation to use it effectively?
              \_ There are lots of easy to use mail clients that require no
                 reading.  Judging from our local population either pine is
                 very hard to use or pine users are much less intelligent
                 since the overwhelming majority of mail client problems on
                 the motd are pine related going back many years.  <s> Sorry
                 if you're one of the very few pine genius gurus out there and
                 got "offended".  </sarcasm>  The best thing root@soda could
                 do for the mail users here is delete the pine install.  Anyone
                 clued enough to install their own can figure out the rest,
                 while those who can't figure it out can use something better.
                 \_ Why don't you name a few that's not 'broken'?
                    \_ I'll ignore your poor grammar and name one: mutt.
                       For the record, I haven't run a command line mail
                       reader in years, these days I use  But that
                       doesn't change the fact that mutt is a spectacularly
                       better command line mail client than pine. -dans
              \_ PP's claim that pine is the most broken mail client, while
                 hyperbolic, is pretty close to the mark.  Unfortunately, Mark
                 Crispin hangs like an albatross over all UW mail related
                 software including pine and IMAP.  In the case of pine, he
                 merely actively contributes to its sucking.  In the case of
                 IMAP, what he has done is far worse since, last I checked,
                 UW-IMAP is the RFC reference implementation, and he has
                 single-handedly crippled numerous useful IMAP features while
                 slowing its adoption and driving back the day when POP is
                 just a bad memory.
        \_ I got this error message a few days ago, since then, I
           removed my .procmailrc, and now pine seems to work fine.
           However I can't get to any of the mail files on
           /var/mail/$USER. I do see incoming mails...
        \_ I figured it out, you need to create "cur, new, tmp" in
           /var/mail/$USER directory, then pine and mutt will work fine.
           \_ Except that the new mail isn't being delivered to those dirs.
           \_ any idea what those dirs are for?  They are all empty, new mails
              are in /var/mail/$USER folder, but pine does not see them.
              \_ I have no idea where pine is getting my mails, my
                 /var/mail/$USER directory is empty with the exception
                 of these 3 directories, yet pine/mutt says my inbox
                 has X mails.
                 \_ It's getting them from those directories. There's no
                    question about that. However, that does not seem to
                    be where the mailer is delivering mail. At least,
                    my mail is just being stuffed into /var/mail/$USER/msg.????
                    and I am not using procmail or anything else. What
                    is the default behavior supposed to be for mail
                    delivery now?
        \_ in our .pinerc, add a line like this:
        \_ Thanks everyone who helped with the Pine issues.  I'm always
           pleasantly surprised when the motd helps those that don't live &
           breath UNIX daily.  It's a nice change from the condescending
           attitude you generally tend to get at UNIX boards.  I was able to
           fix Pine by:
           1) creating "cur, new, tmp" in /var/mail/$USER directory
           2) removing my .procmailrc file
           3) removing my .forward which had a spam forward in place
2007/2/5-7 [Computer/SW/Mail] UID:45667 Activity:low
2/5     How do I check my soda mail? mail, pine, both returns error.
        mail: .... is a directory
        pine: error...
        \_ mailx has been replaced with a Maildir-aware version; it should
           work correctly now.  Pine should work using the default config as
           of last week; look at /csua/soda-changes.2007.01 for a detailed
           discussion.  Short answer: set your inbox-path to /var/mail/$USER.
           -- darch
           \_ Mailx finds my old mail in /var/mail/$USER/cur but the new mail
              is spooling to /var/mail/$USER.
        \_ mutt.
        \_ mh
2007/2/5-7 [Computer/SW/Mail, Recreation/Woodworking] UID:45666 Activity:nil
2/5     Can someone install Elm? Thanks!
2007/1/30-2/3 [Computer/SW/Mail] UID:45624 Activity:nil 76%like:45619
1/30    I can't get mutt to read my maildir dir.  What am I doing wrong?
        set mbox_type=Maildir
        \_ mine works just fine with MAIL set to /var/mail/user
        Also does anyone know the correct settings to get to play
        nice with IMAP and soda mail?
        \_  Advanced: IMAP Path Prefix: "mail"; Port: "993"; "check" Use SSL;
                      Authentication: Password.  Haven't tried using CSUA's
                      SMTP server since the *last* time soda came back up.
            \_ any idea what the path prefix would be for Thunderbird IMAP?
               (haven't been able to get anything to work for IMAP server
2007/1/30 [Computer/SW/Mail] UID:45619 Activity:nil 76%like:45624
1/30    I can't get mutt to read my maildir dir.  What am I doing wrong?
        \_ mine works just fine with MAIL set to /var/mail/user
        Also does anyone know the correct settings to get to play
        nice with IMAP and soda mail?
        \_  Advanced: IMAP Path Prefix: "mail"; Port: "993"; "check" Use SSL;
                      Authentication: Password.  Haven't tried using CSUA's
                      SMTP server since the *last* time soda came back up.
            \_ any idea what the path prefix would be for Thunderbird IMAP?
               (haven't been able to get anything to work for IMAP server
2007/1/28 [Computer/SW/Mail] UID:45609 Activity:nil
1/28    I followed the instructions for unfiltered mail to recover my old
        mail but do I need to change any configuration settings in pine to
        be able to read it? I'm getting this error message when I try to use
        pine: "Can't open inbox: not a selectable folder".
2007/1/27-2/1 [Computer/SW/Mail] UID:45602 Activity:nil
1/27    I tried following the instructions for setting up pine.  When I go
        to change inbox-path, it first asks me what server, and then what
        folder.  What do I put for each value.  I tried several combinations
        and nothing worked.
        \_ Just edit your ".pinerc" manually.  Search for "inbox-path"
           and put the value "/var/mail/yourlogin".  That worked for me.
           \_ Thanks.  It worked! -op
2007/1/26-2/1 [Computer/SW/Mail] UID:45599 Activity:nil
1/26    Pine maildir patch, or root cookie. Prefer former. --linxu
        \_ Use mutt. ;)  Oh, alright.. it looks like the pine that's
           installed already has the patch.  Is there something it's
           failing to do? -- darch
           \_ Handle maildir by default?  At least some people will
              need instructions on how to use pine on new-soda.
            \_ Yes.  Please help.
             \_ Added instructions to /csua/soda-changes.2007.01.  Short
                version:  Set inbox-path to "/var/mail/$USER". -- darch
              \_ Update:  In light of the fact that there exist users who
                 don't read motd, /etc/pine.conf has been changed to make
                 this work for everyone.
2006/9/9-11 [Computer/SW/Mail, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:44331 Activity:nil
9/9     After rotating my /var/log/mail.* files and restarting postfix,
        I no longer have any mail log files in /var/log/mail.*! Is there
        something else I have to do for postfix? I never had this problem
        when I was using sendmail. Please help!         -learning unix
        \_ man -k syslog
2006/8/29-31 [Computer/SW/Mail] UID:44187 Activity:kinda low
8/29    What SMTP settings should I be enabling/disabling for soda?  I can
        receive csua mails over IMAP on my treo just fine, but I always
        get relay denied errors when sending outside
        \_ Dunno the answer, but I have the same problem.  I ended up
           using Gmail's SMTP server.  The only thing is that you'll have
           register your CSUA email account with Gmail so that it'll let
           you send mail on your behalf.
           \_ What do you need to do to "register your CSUA email
              account with gmail"?
              \_ Log in and go to "Settings" and goto "Accounts" tab.
                 Basically register your CSUA email.  It'll do an email
                 verification thing.  After that, Gmail' SMTP will
                 relay email with CSUA email as your "From:" field.
        \_ enable authentication
           \_ Have you actually tried this yourself? I have, and it doesn't
              work with my client at least. For now, I'm using the cell
              network's ISP, which does not support SSL/TLS. It(cingular's
              SMTP for wireless) also doesn't require authentication, which
              may be the reason blocks of cingular cell IP blocks are on many
              anti-spam databases.
              \_ sorry, no.  I don't use soda for email.  But I just tried
                 it and it looks like there's no support for AUTH, even SSL'd
                 AUTH LOGIN
                 503 5.3.3 AUTH not available
                 bother root
           \_ If you have an answer, please provide specific steps and
              settings.  I also haven't been able to get SMTP working
              with either SSL or TLS; I keep getting relaying-denied
2006/8/6-10 [Computer/SW/Database, Computer/SW/Mail] UID:43923 Activity:nil
8/5     In pine, how do you select all the messages in a folder and then
        add it to another folder?
        \_ Section 11 of the following URL:
        \_ ; (select)
           A (all)
           A (apply...)
           S (save)
        \_ Try Q.  -proud American
           \_ BTW If you get the error message "Command ';' not defined for
              this screen," you will need to enable the Select feature. To
              enable the "Select" feature in Pine, type "M" for Main Menu,
              then "S" for Setup, and "C" for Config. Type "W" for WhereIs,
              and enter "aggregate" as the word to find. This will bring you
              to the option named "enable-aggregate-command-set." Type "X" to
              Set this option, then "E" to Exit Setup. Type "Y" to commit
              the changes. This will bring you back to the Main Menu. Type
              "I" to access your inbox's Message Index, and then ";".
           As the previous poster said, type ";" for Criteria. You will be
           prompted to choose from the Select criteria listed at the bottom of
           the window. For instance, to select all messages from jharvard,
           type ";" for Select, "T" for Text, "F" for From, and then
           "jharvard". The messages that have bee n selected will have an
           "X" next to them.
                \_ That didn't work for me.  -newbie
2006/8/6-10 [Computer/SW/Mail] UID:43922 Activity:nil
8/5     I just want to take this fine opportunity and say, FUCK sendmail.
        It is difficult to configure and its debugging facility totally
        blows. I can't believe how braindead sendmail config is, not to
        mention its sucky security. Fuck sendmail, use postfix instead.
        I got postfix running in a jiffy and I didn't even have to go
        through 800 pages of sendmail manpage. Fuck sendmail and
        its braindead author. Praise thy new MTA master, postfix.
        \_ You are way out of line, buddy.  <DEAD><DEAD>
        \_ oh yes, please fuck me! i need you inside me -sendmail
2006/8/4-6 [Computer/SW/Mail] UID:43915 Activity:nil
8/4     Dear sendmail virtusertable gurus, please help.
        Let's say my domain name is <DEAD><DEAD> and I'd like it to handle mail
        for <DEAD><DEAD> as well. The virtusertable (which I ran "makemap hash"
        on to generate virtusertable.db) contains the followings: joe joe
        When I send mail to, it is correctly sent to joe. However
        when I send mail to, it complains that
        (instead of doesn't exist. Somehow, when it can't
        find an email for <DEAD><DEAD>, it resolves the host name back to
        <DEAD><DEAD>. Why is this happening?
        \_ is <DEAD><DEAD> a proper MX record or a CNAME?
           \_ % host -t mx <DEAD><DEAD>
              <DEAD><DEAD>    MX 10 <DEAD><DEAD>
2006/8/4-6 [Computer/SW/Mail] UID:43914 Activity:nil
8/4     are exim-virtuser-person and sendmail-virtuser-person the same?
2006/8/4-6 [Computer/SW/Mail, Computer/SW/OS/Linux] UID:43910 Activity:nil
8/4     After trying to get sendmail's virtusertable to work for several
        hours, I've given up and decided to use exim4 instead. I've followed
        the following URL for exim4's equivalent of virtusertable, but now
        wondering how I can specify "error: User Known" and email
        nullification inside my new /etc/exim/virtusertable?
        Please help, thanks.                            -noob
        \_ I don't know. -proud American
2006/8/4-6 [Computer/SW/Mail] UID:43903 Activity:low
8/4     In sendmail on Linux, how do I write a rule which will quietly discard
        e-mail sent to nonexistent users? Default behavior is to bounce
        the mail back, but in the case of SPAM the From: address doesn't
        exist. I'd rather just toss such mail.
        \_ This may bring other problems with it, but you may wish to
           consider greylisting.  It simply replies to each mail with a 405
           (try again later).  On the second try, the mail's delivered; most
           spam doesn't hack this.  On the other hand, it could fail to
           deliver mail from misconfigured mailers.  -John
        \_ Sendmail can tell reject mail during the SMTP session for non-
           existent users prior to accepting the message (therefore, you don't
           generate a bounce -- the sender does [should]).  If this isn't
           feasible (this is a mail relay, etc.), try something that does
           sender-address verification. (spamilter, mimedefang, etc.) or
           bring over a list of "valid" users (timed sync, or ldap lookups)
        \_ Do chmod 666. -proud American
           \_ milter-ahead from <DEAD><DEAD>  -Jon
2006/8/4-6 [Computer/SW/Mail] UID:43896 Activity:nil
8/3     I'm trying to add virtual forwarding, by adding a file called
        /etc/mail/virtusertable that forwards from user ""
        to "joeblow". I also added the line "FEATURE(`virtusertable')dnl"
        in Lastly, I did a make, then restarted sendmail. However
        it is not working. How do I diagnose the problem?
        \_ I have a similar setup.  From my config I also have a
           VIRTUSER_DOMAIN entry directly after the FEATURE(`virtusertable')
           FEATURE(`virtusertable',`hash -o /etc/mail/virtusertable.db')dnl
           \_ Yes I have the exact same thing. After running
              echo '3,0' | sendmail -bt
              I'm expecting it to return joeblow but instead it is
              returning "test". My biggest problem is I don't know
              where to look for error messages for proper diagnosis.
                \_ Check your mailspool. -proud American
2006/7/22-24 [Computer/SW/Mail] UID:43762 Activity:nil
7/22    Is there a way to send out a mass mail (using pine or gmail) such
        that each recipient receives the email with their own address in
        the "To:" field, but that doesn't show any of the other
        receipients?  Of course, I could use Bcc, but then each
        receipient's email address doesn't show up in the header they
        receive, and the mail might then be filtered as spam, since it's
        not "To" them.
        \_ foreach
          \_ I was going to do this, but I want the Reply-To field different
             from the address I'm sending from.  How can I set the Reply-To
             field from a command line mail command?
             \_ If you want complete control over the headers, just write
                up the mail exactly as you want it to appear and run it
                through "sendmail -t".
                  \_ Thanks.  I'll try that.  -op
                \_ another alternative is use nc localhost smtp
                \_ Will using sendmail like this make the email look funny,
                   being that it wasn't created in pine, outlook, gmail,
                   yahoo, etc?  Is there a chance such mail could be
                   filtered as spam when received?  I sent such mail to
                   yahoo and gmail not problem, but not sure if stricter
                   spam filtering might think it's spam.
2006/7/20-22 [Computer/SW/Mail] UID:43747 Activity:low
7/20    How can I get IMAP over SSL to work (I'm using
        I've set the port to 465, checked SSL, set auth to Password,
        and entered my username and password. I don't get an error but my
        messages don't get delivered. TIA.
        \_ derrr, corrected, I meant SMTP (outbound).
        \_ 993/tcp  open  imaps
           Try 993? 465 doesn't appear open on soda. --michener
           \_ 465 is SMTP over SSL outbound.  Soda does not do SMTP/SSL
              but rather has TSL on (uses port 25.)  OP, are you talking
              about _getting_ or _sending_ your mail?  In, for
              soda's TLS, you need to use port 25 and SSL for 'server
              settings' under outgoing mail servers (under the 'account
              information' tab.)  For Getting mail via IMAPS, under
              'advanced', use port 993 and SSL and most likely
              password auth.  -John
              \- I have as the outgoing server, port 25
                 SSL checked, and "Password" authentication. What is TSL/TLS?
                 Still won't connect.
                 \_ TSL was a typo, like the kind you never make.  TLS =
                    transport layer security, based on SSL 3.0.  The
                    difference is that SMTP/SSL is a dedicated, fully
                    encrypted connection, while SMTP/TLS runs over the
                    SMTP port and wants a 'STARTTLS' command.  I don't know
                    what the problem with scotch/soda is; maybe it has
                    something to do with not accepting esmtp.  Telnet
           25 and do an ehlo and see what happens.  -John
                    \- if the typo comment was directed at me, that's not me.
                       \- My apologies, I thought only psb did \-  -John
                          \- somewhat ironic in a thread about authentication.
                             --yes, it is me
              \_ When I try using TLS on port 25, I keep getting errors
                 about relaying being denied, but I am supplying the
                 same login information as for IMAPS, which works fine.
2006/6/30-7/5 [Computer/SW/Mail, Computer/SW/Security] UID:43544 Activity:nil
6/30    I'm trying to set up SSH port forwarding of VNC between my laptop and
        my home server.  Once I had it working but I lost be client-side
        config.  I can use PuTTY to set up port forwarding and can successfully
        load webpages off the remote server by using <DEAD>localhost<DEAD>
        My problem is that I can't seem to forward port 5900 (VNC) to my
        remote machine.  When I try telnetting to localhost port 5900 I get
        a connection but don't get the standard VNC handshake: "RFB 003.003"
        I know VNC is up on that machine because I can connect to it just fine
        when I am on the same subnet.  Any ideas?
        \_ You're not running VNC on your local box on port 5900, are you?
           \_ Ooh, good idea.. but no.
        \_ OK, so in PuTTY, your Forwarded ports: lines for your server Session
           look like:
           L80 localhost:80
           L5900 localhost:5900
           Is that right?  What OS is the server?
           \_ I had this:
              I changed the second one to
              L5900 locahlost:5900 and now it works.  Thanks!
              But why did the HTTP forwarding work then?
              \_ Maybe your firewall/VNC server/whatever would allow loopback
                 connections, but not connections on the "real" IP
2006/6/28-7/3 [Computer/SW/Mail] UID:43520 Activity:nil
6/28    Help. My ISP doesn't forward my email anymore, or at least it is
        forwarding but has a huge delay. Below is a sample from
        "sendmail -bp". My user name is joe and my school is
        What could be going on? Thanks:
        519FF8D747     3812 Wed Jun 27 13:00:37
        (host <DEAD><DEAD>[] said: 450 Server
        configuration problem (in reply to RCPT TO command))
        \_ Maybe your school implemented greylisting and your ISP doesn't
           deal with 450s correctly?  -John
        \_ Talk to your ISP.  I think it's a "450 Server configuration problem"
2006/6/26 [Computer/SW/Mail, Industry/Jobs] UID:43495 Activity:low 73%like:43497
6/26    Has anyone SysAdmin consulted for Taos before?  They offered me
        a contract and I like their client.  How much more should I ask
        for above the client pays the full-time equivalent, assuming
        I figured that out?
2006/6/23 [Computer/SW/Mail, Computer/SW/Security, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:43483 Activity:kinda low 80%like:43482 80%like:43487
6/23    Soda rooted by sendmail bug.  Will be going down at 3pm.
        \_ Resetting accounts again?
        \_ Good thing I stopped using my address as my main
           non-work e-mail address!
        \_ Let's try FreeBSD again!
        \_ Let's try Windows!
        \_ Er, why is this in motd.public?
           \_ soda is run by liburals, always aiding and comforting Terrorists
           \_ Maybe 'cause it's a lie?
        \_ So, why is it still up?
           \_ It used to say 5pm.
           \_ The crackers have changed the root passwd!  Root is powerless!
              \_ I can assure you this has not happened. --michener
        \_ I know of no such issue and have not heard from the rest of root
           about it. If this is not a lie, will whoever wrote this email root?
2006/6/23 [Computer/SW/Mail] UID:43482 Activity:nil 80%like:43483 80%like:43487
6/23    Soda rooted by sendmail bug.  Will be going down at 5pm.
2006/6/20-24 [Computer/SW/Mail, Computer/SW/Security] UID:43439 Activity:nil
6/19    I'm leaving the country for a year.  I am thinking of
        getting a Skype number in the United States, and I guess
        if people in the US call it, my Skype client running
        on my computer in the foreign country will receive the call?
        What is wrong with my plan to do this?
nnn     \_ 1. yes.  The only thing wrong with your plan is that as nerdy as
           you are, you may *NOT* be at front of computer all the time.
           After a while, when people couldn't reach you via the Skype
           number, they will STOP calling you.  I recommend you also purchase
           couple SkypeOut credit; and also set up a call-forwarding on your
           SkypeIn number to your local cell phone.  THis way, when you are not
           at the front of computer or your computer is off, calls will
           be forwarded to your cell phone.             kngharv
           \_ No.  You get voicemail with your skypein number.  I'm using
              it (my Swiss cell phone is forwarded to my CH skypein
              number while I'm in Chile.)  When you start your Skype
              client, it tells you you have voicemails.  Works a charm,
              worth the money.  -John
              \_ duh, voicemail come with the SkypeIn number.  My experience
                 is that after a while, people just sick of calling because
                 he/she gets voicemail all the time.  Skype forwarding
                 service would keep people interested in calling this number.
                 \_ That wasn't his question.  -John
        \_ 1. yes.  The only thing wrong with your plan is that as nerdy as
           you are, you may *NOT* be at front of computer all the time.
           After a while, when people couldn't reach you via the Skype
           number, they will STOP calling you.  I recommend you also purchase
           couple SkypeOut credit; and also set up a call-forwarding on your
           SkypeIn number to your local cell phone.  THis way, when you are not
           at the front of computer or your computer is off, calls will
           be forwarded to your cell phone.             kngharv
           \_ No.  You get voicemail with your skypein number.  I'm using
              it (my Swiss cell phone is forwarded to my CH skypein
              number while I'm in Chile.)  When you start your Skype
              client, it tells you you have voicemails.  Works a charm,
              worth the money.  -John
              \_ duh, voicemail come with the SkypeIn number.  My experience
                 is that after a while, people just sick of calling because
                 he/she gets voicemail all the time.  Skype forwarding
                 service would keep people interested in calling this number.
                 \_ That wasn't his question.  -John
        \_ There are other similar VOIP service.  For example,
  offers FREE virtual # anywhere in USA.  It
           can then forward anyone calling that # to anywhere in the
           world.  Of course you pay for the forwarded calls.
2006/6/14-16 [Computer/SW/Mail] UID:43388 Activity:nil
6/14    I've thrown together an LDAP cgi to let people update their
        phone numbers in active directory.  Small problem: Outlook
        no longer grabs the "facsimileTelephoneNumber" attribute
        for Business Fax.  It sees that attr as "Other Fax".  Does
        anyone know what attribute Outlook is looking for now for
        "Business Fax".  This is Outlook 2003/Exchange 2003/Windows 2000
        native AD with Exch 2003 Schema changes.
        \_ please resist the temptation of modifying standard schema
           to comply with MS product.
                mujahedeem against embrace, extent, and eliminate
           \_ It's not a temptation.  It's an operational requirement.
2006/5/26-29 [Computer/SW/Mail] UID:43204 Activity:nil
5/26    postfix has milter support --Jon
2006/5/11-17 [Computer/SW/Mail] UID:43021 Activity:nil
        I followed step 11 to transfer from local files to IMAP. However,
        the ordering in IMAP is completely reversed. Is there a way to
        sort folders in IMAP? Thanks.
2006/5/7-9 [Computer/SW/Mail] UID:42962 Activity:nil
5/7     Posting new articles from trn should work now.  Sorry it was
        broken before.  --mconst
        \_ It seems to work, thanks a lot! -jrleek
           \_ Or not.  I got this error, and nothing ever posted.
              inews: warning: What server?
              inews: article will be spooled
2006/5/6-9 [Computer/SW/Mail] UID:42960 Activity:nil
5/6     Got an embarrasingly dumb question regarding pine. I currently
        use an ISP that uses /var/mail/<user> as the inbox and local
        mail/ directory to store folders. The new ISP I'm moving to
        uses IMAP where all the folders are kept on the server. One
        question. How do I migrate my local mail/* to the new server? I tried
        configuring a local drive (Setup->L(colectionLists) to setup
        a local mail/ directory as indicated in the following but no luck:
2006/5/3-5 [Computer/SW/Security, Computer/SW/Mail] UID:42921 Activity:nil
5/3     Can anyone recommend an e-mail service that provides POP3/IMAP and
        SMTP with encrypted authentication, From: address to whatever you want
        it, isn't zombie-land, has minimal service interruptions, and won't
        go away?  Doesn't need to be free.  Really imporant to have minimal
        service interruptions.
        \_ Gmail!
           \_ From: address always defaults to
              \_ I believe you can change this in Settings->Accounts.
                 There is no IMAP though.
                 \_ Cool, I just tested it.  Works through SMTP auth port 465
                    too.  Thanks. -op
              \_ Not if you're using SMTP, afaik.
2006/5/3-5 [Computer/SW/Mail, Computer/SW/Security] UID:42918 Activity:nil
5/3     In the light of what happened recently, should I stop using soda
        for any important communications and get a gmail account instead?
        \_ FYI, I am making my ISP account (Comcast) my main e-mail point.
           My problem with gmail is that the From: address is automagically
           replaced with your address, whereas I can make it
           whatever I want with Comcast as long as I authenticate.
           I do realize Comcast is the source of most zombie spam.
           This is after having used soda as my main mail account since '92.
           Props to all the undergrads who have kept soda up, anyway.
           \_ Comcast is a bad idea. Comcast is a spam target and also means
              you are tied to that ISP. Better to convert to gmail.
              \_ because, you know, gmail isn't a spam target.  -tom
                 \_ No, but it does have good spam filtering built-in.
                    Still, what is a good reason for using comcast over
                    gmail? I'd rather use soda. Or <DEAD><DEAD>.
                    \_ I don't use comcast, but web interfaces to email
                       suck, and gmail still doesn't offer IMAP, right?  -tom
                       \_ Well, gmail is faster than any other webmail I've
                          used, and the searching/labeling/filtering system
                          is pretty good. Gmail is the only webmail I've used
                          that I could put up with daily... although I still
                          only use it for certain things. Maybe eventually
                          they will have IMAP. I saw some kind of beta 3rd
                          party attempts at providing IMAP gmail access.
                       \_ "web interfaces to email suck" ?? what are you
                          talking about? gmail is easy to use, has key-
                          board shortcuts and is accessible from anywhere
                          without worrying about ssh'ing or crap like that
                          \_ One drawback of web mail is that if you don't
                             access it within X time, your account can
                             go byebye. Although gmail's 9 months is I think
                             much longer than any other free webmail.
                          \_ Let me be more explicit; non-web GUI mail clients
                             have better interfaces than web-based mail
                             clients.  It can be useful to have access to
                             a web-based client, but the web interface is
                             signficantly less effective for day-to-day
                             activity.  -tom
                                \_ gmail supports POP/SMTP, so you can use
                                   other email clients like outlook and
                                   mac mail client.
                                   \_ but not with multiple mailboxes, so
                                      what's the point?  -tom
        \_ Most people stopped using soda for important communications a
           long time ago.
        \_ Yes, it's pretty obvious that gmail will be more reliable for
           things like that. I use both.
        \_ I echo the op's concerns and am switching to my primary e-mail to my
           ISP as well (SBC). If you lived in a neighborhood for 10 years,
           loved it, then all of a sudden couldn't get access to your house for
           2 weeks because their was a break-in, while the local police was
           processing your paperwork, I would move.  Again, not enough praise
           can be given to those volunteering their time and effort to maintaining
           this environment.  It's a testament that it's has as much uptime as it
           does.  But as your primary account, it would be awful to go
           through that again.  I think free e-mail services are risky because
           they can start charging at anytime or start going downhill
           (ie. Hotmail).  If you are happy with your ISP and plan to use them for
           awhile, why not go with them, at least you have greater control of the
        \_ I'm still using soda for most things just because, it's really
           nice to be able to hand someone an email address you can be
           fairly sure will still be there in 5 years.
           \_ Why not just register your own domain ($2 to $30/year), and
              point it at a cheap virtualhosting/email provider ($10 to
              $50/month)? -dans
              \_ because there are free, or already-paid-for alternatives.
2006/4/30-5/2 [Computer/SW/Mail] UID:42869 Activity:nil
4/30    So still no chance of POP3/S ?
        \_ I'm curious why, given IMAP/S, why you would still want to use
           POP3/S?  Are you using a service that lacks/has poor IMAP support?
           \_ Because I like to save all my emails local, keep the
              /var/mail one here just to the essentials and not have the
              email boxes synced.
           \_ Because I have my mail locally and my client has rules
              to organize it.
              \_ You can do this with IMAP, but it depends on client support.
                 If your client doesn't support what you want, why not use
                 fetchmail as an IMAP client to deliver to your local mail
                 server and pop from there?  Gross, to be sure, there's a
                 reason POP is deprecated. -dans
2006/4/24-25 [Computer/SW/Mail, Computer/HW] UID:42817 Activity:nil
4/23    Soda problem: I don't seem to be able to post to newsgroups
        with trn.  I get:
        cat: /var/lib/news/whoami: No such file or directory
        (re-entering cbreak mode)
        inews: From header: address syntax error
        \_ On a side note, can someone install tin?
           \_ Whoever installed tin, thank you!!
              \_ Hmm.. tin says none of my newsgroups exist on the server.
                 \_ try "tin -r" and make sure you have the correct remote
                    server "" in your setenv.
2006/4/24 [Computer/SW/Mail] UID:42810 Activity:high
4/23    any chance for jove to be installed?
        \_ Why is it that you cannot use emacs?  The staff should
           concentrate on higher priority things for which there is not
           a very good substitute ... a substitute which is vastly
           better than the original.
           \_ hey you know root can install jove with one command:
              apt-get install jove
           \_ On the other hand, installing jove is a lot less work than
              all the higher-priority things we ought to be doing.  Done.
           \_ Seriously, why does jove exist? Why does anyone use it? I
              am genuinely curious.
        \_ any chance for elm and micq to be installed?
           \_ I second elm. I like frm and newmail which polls for new mail
              every n seconds.
              \_ frm is already installed, newmail is a separate package...
                 do you still need elm for the mail client?
        \_ zip/unzip would be cool.
2006/4/18 [Computer/SW/Mail] UID:42780 Activity:nil
4/18    Hi guys, just downloaded ~ 200 messages via IMAP using Outlook 2003.
        I manually deleted all my spam before moving the good e-mail to a
        local folder.  A lot of my messages have the wrong content for a
        given subject line, and those e-mails are also messed up in general.
        Not sure if this happened to anyone else -- already deleted my soda
        copies, so too late to check if it would work using POP (perhaps just
        Outlook weirdness).
2006/4/17 [Computer/SW/Mail] UID:42767 Activity:nil
4/17    I know that POP3 is not enabled.  How about IMAP?  is it fixed yet?
        how about SMTP auth?  thx
2006/4/17-20 [Computer/SW/Mail] UID:42759 Activity:low
4/16    Thanks for getting soda back up guys.  Question, is sendmail
        actively working through the backlog?  I haven't really gotten
        any old mail, and I expected at least some. -jrleek
        \_ Worry not. We backed up about 2 CDs worth of mail (that's a lotta
           text) to other places on our network. Will be unqueuing that too
           in short order -- michener
           \_ No rush at all, but I'm just curious if it will be a matter
              of hours, days, or weeks before the mail is unqueued?  I'm
              very relieved to hear that I'm not the only one who hasn't
              received any email from the past few days.
           \_ Sadly it appears that while we have been queing the mail, we
              have lost some mail (expect announcements about this once email
              is fully up and running again).  Basically once scotch's mail
              partition filled up we had to save off the messages to allow
              for more incoming.  The first time we did this, it was saved to
              the disk on screwdriver which we use for office home directories.
              To add insult to injury, this raid failed (after running
              degraded for about two weeks) and so approximately 150k messages
              were lost.  The other backups were stored on keg and we are
              actively queueing the 300k+ messages that were in the saved
              queues.  We are also looking at if there are any ways we can
              recover the lost messages. -mrauser
                \_ Even if the messages are not recoverable, is it at least
                   possible to be able to see a log of who the lost
                   messages were from, subject header, etc?
                   \_ No. This is a lot of work.
                      \_ from/to should be pullable from mail logs, no?
                         subject wouldn't be.
                         \_ Are you volunteering? If so, mail root.
                            \_ before I volunteer, how many people actually
                               want this information?
                                \_ If possible, I would like this
                                   information.  It would be of value to me
                                   to know who I may have lost mail from.
                                   I (and hopefully others) wouldn't mind
                                   making a nominal financial contribution
                                   to whomever can retrive this info. -asb
                        \_ So, for the lost messages, would the sender have
                           gotten a bounced message saying that the
                           message couldn't be delivered, or would they
                           have no reason to think their message wasn't
                        \_ Is there a specific time frame (like all
                           messages sent between certain hours were lost),
                           or was it sporadic?
2006/4/15-16 [Computer/SW/Mail] UID:42742 Activity:nil
4/15    Mail off means that mail is being bounced?  Or is it still being
        queued up on scotch?
        \_ Speaking of mail, I think mail for csua should be handled by
           a separate machine that normal people can't interactively use.
           Just a suggestion.
           \_ what about the people who use mutt, won't they be sadened that
              /var/mail is on a nother machine that they can't use their mutt
              to mutt with?
              \_ mutt will have no problem with it.  -tom
              \_ mutt and pine both support imap. -dans
              \_ nfs mount /var/mail onto soda.
                 \_ You don't care very much if your mail mysteriously
                    disappears, do you? -dans
           I knew 6.x isn't good for production from following the
           freebsd-{stable|bugs} lists.
           Oh, and thanks for staying up all night fixing things.  (You
           did, right?)
           \- I think the consensus is that we want to move to a new
              mail machine that is seperate but right now the priority
              is getting mail+ssh working.
        \- Queueing
2006/3/8-9 [Computer/SW/Mail] UID:42145 Activity:kinda low
3/8     Windows Mobile 5.0 Contacts get synced with the Contacts in Outlook.
        Is there a way to decouple that?  I mean I don't use Outlook.
        I want a stand alone Contacts program that syncs with Windows Mobile.
        \_ Uninstall Outlook?
        \_ Microsoft uses WinCE platform to force OEM to distribute Outlook.
           It is part of the greater strategy to tight mobile platform to
           desktop to backend server.  And to answer your question, no,
           you can't really do it.  Further, there are no real calendar
           alternative for average user, no?
           \_ upcoming Google ical!
2006/2/28-3/1 [Computer/SW/Mail, Computer/SW/OS/Linux] UID:42027 Activity:moderate
2/28    Hi I'm a noob and I just installed LINUX DEBIAN for the very first
        time in my life. I did a vanilla install, then apt-get sendmail and
        pine. I tried to send myself an email on the local machine but
        my mailbox is always empty. Even setting up bad crontab -e doesn't
        email me any output. What should I do next? Thanks.
        \_ check the logfile in /var/log, probably mail.log
        \_ It's Debian GNU/Linux, not LINUX DEBIAN
           \_ Who gave rms a csua account?
              \_ He came in, filled out a form and ate the leftover
                 watermelon. How could we not give him an account?
                 \- RMS prefers CRENSHAW melon to WATERMELON.
        \_ debian doesn't shove exim onto you anymore?  exim
           not good enough for you?
           \_ As far as I know exim is still the default. op should probably
              just stick to exim
           \_ Yes, exim is still the default.  op should definitely not use
              sendmail as it deserves no place on *any* system installed after
              newer, better MTA's were written.  op should probably use
              postfix. -dans
              \_ What are some of the newer, better MTA's?  tia.
                 \_ exim, postfix, qmail in no particular order.
              \_ got milter?
                 \_ Eh.  It's fairly weak and unconfigurable compared to what
                    you can do with postfix.  Even if I thought the milter
                    offerred much value, it wouldn't come anywhere near making
                    up for the pain and suffering of configuring sendmail.
2006/1/27-29 [Computer/SW/Mail] UID:41568 Activity:nil
1/27    I'm trying to use SMTP auth over TLS. It works fine with Thunderbird,
        but some versions of Outlook Express fail to connect
         Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 (works)
         Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 (doesn't work)
        How does one get the latest build of MSOE?
        \_ Nevermind, the problem is MSOE can only do TLS SMTP on
           port 25. No luck using port 587/submission.
        \_ Nevermind, the problem is MSOE can't do TLS on a port OTHER
           that 25. Time to switch everybody to Thunderbird.
2006/1/17-18 [Computer/SW/Mail] UID:41396 Activity:nil
1/17    So, the outstanding 'issues' with new Soda are:
        * X11 forwarding
        * SMTP AUTH
        are these problems being worked on?
        \_ smtp auth is being worked on, whats the issue with x11?
        \_ i just noticed that wget doesn't work.
           \_ /usr/local/bin/wget seems to work fine for me. What
              is the problem you are having?
2006/1/17-18 [Computer/SW/Mail] UID:41395 Activity:nil
1/17    When I send out mail on soda using pine (yeah, yeah, I'll switch to
        mutt one of these days), my outgoing messages have:
           X-Authentication-Warning: <user> owned
              process doing -bs
        in them.  Can anyone explain what this means and how to fix this
        (other than switching to mutt)?  Thanks.
        \_ Never mind.  I found the answer:
        \_ I still use RMAIL.
2006/1/5-9 [Computer/SW/Mail] UID:41252 Activity:nil
1/5     I have done it before, but now it doesn't seem to work anymore.
        any PINE users out there?  How to I mark a message unread?  Searching
        the web turn up the following sequence:" *,n ", but that doesn't
        seem to work here.
        \_ * N works for me...
        \_ (S)etup, (C)onfig, make sure that "enable-flag-cmd" is set -crebbs
           (or just include "enable-flag-cmd" in your feature list in .pinerc)
           \_ thank you very much, someone must have changed my setting. Come
              to think of it, it always feel like there was someone snooping
              in my account.  is there any good way to find out
2006/1/4-6 [Computer/SW/Mail, Computer/SW/OS/Linux] UID:41223 Activity:nil
1/4     Linux question: when I do a ypcat passwd on a Linux NIS client,
        I see 11-13 lines, then a long pause and then it continues.  On my
        sun boxes and a few other Linux machines the whole map appears
        instantly.  Any ideas?  netstat -i doesn't report any errors on the
        client or nis server.
2006/1/3-5 [Computer/SW/Mail] UID:41207 Activity:nil
12/3    Remote SMTP access is still down.  Would someone explain to me what
        are the technical challenges for setting this up?  or there isn't much
        technical issues just that root haven't get the chance to look into
        \_ workin' fine now. whats yer probelm?
           \_ I can only send email to myself via pop, or i get authentication
              error.  I haven't changed my setting in any way and it was
              working fine until soda got upgraded.     kngharv
              \_ send mail via pop?
              \_ so you're trying to use soda's smtp server to send mail
                 elsewhere?  This is a tricky thing to setup without also
                 allowing spammers to relay mail through soda.
                 \_ isn't that what smtp auth is?
        \_ You've verified that your ISP currently allows 3rd party SMTP, right?
2006/1/1-4 [Computer/SW/Mail, Computer/SW/SpamAssassin] UID:41192 Activity:nil
1/1     Anyone ever have problems with procmail inserting a '>' in front of
        the 'From' field when it forwards email?  I haven't been able to
        figure out how to prevent this, not find any web info talking about
        it.  The insertion screws up mail-reading at the forwarded end
        (thunderbird does not separate out the subject and other fields any
        more).  Thanks!
        \_ It's probably sendmail, not procmail doing that.  And the problem
           is probably that you're attaching the original headers in the
           message body, instead of in the message header, or another From
           header is being added, so sendmail is escaping the From.
           \_ Yeah, looking at an email as received at csua and at the
              remote forward destination, it looks like in the process of
              procmail forwarding it wraps a new set of headers on top of
              the email.  I thought that it used to work fine without
              changing things like this, though?  Haven't been able to
              find any documentation that shines any light on modifying the
              behavior to forward the mail with original headers, though -op
2005/12/13-15 [Computer/SW/Mail] UID:41005 Activity:nil
12/13   Hi guys, SMTP relay does not work with the new soda.
        It used to work using SMTP/SSL with password authentication on old
        Can someone get SMTP/SSL relay working again, on some port?
        (I don't like to use the company SMTP server for personal e-mails, and
        I actually prefer a GUI client over logging in and using mutt.)
        \_ This is a known issue, root types are trying to figure it out.
           \_ Thanks root!
           \_ I have this working nicely on Postfix if there's anything
              from my setup you want (don't know how sendmail does it.) -John
2005/12/12-14 [Computer/SW/Mail] UID:40965 Activity:low
12/11   Ok, I give: how do I use new soda for outgoing SMTP?  I'll start us off
        with a guess:, with SSL turned on
        \_ This doesn't work. I've tried.
        \_ Please specify the RFC that would suggest to you that soda would
           talk SMTP on 465. Also, why are you using soda as outgoing SMTP
           server for anything that's NOT soda?
           \_ Are you stupid or just stupid?
              \_ Yeah, I'm stupid, I can't figure out why'd he expect SMTP
                 on the URD port. The fact that it improperly worked before
                 is not an excuse. Nor can I figure out why he'd _need_ to
                 relay through soda.
                 \_ how about port 587?
           \_ Is an alumnus posting this?
           \_ This better not be one of the new students
              \_ yes.
        \_ Any port in a storm!
2005/12/8-11 [Computer/SW/Mail] UID:40927 Activity:nil
12/8    Cannot write to client file
2005/12/7-9 [Computer/SW/Mail, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:40899 Activity:nil
12/7    So what are the correct SMTP settings for soda now? I've been
        using port 465 + SSL + password authentication and it's stopped
        working since the reboot.
        \_ I just mailed myself using port 25 + SSL + password.
           \_ % telnet 25
              telnet: connect to address Connection refused
              telnet: Unable to connect to remote host
              \_ I just did that too and got a connection.
              \_ many isp's block port 25.
        \_ if you figure this out, please let me know, because I can't do
           it neither.  I can only email to myself.
2005/11/2-4 [Computer/SW/Mail, Computer/HW, Computer/SW/Editors/Emacs] UID:40406 Activity:nil
11/2    Does anyone still use VM (Vmail) in Emacs?  I reluctantly switched to
        Outlook 4 yrs ago when I switched job, and I haven't used VM since
        \_ Used it until ~1 year ago. It unfortunately hasn't been updated
           for several years. It's really solid for what it does, but it
           doesn't do IMAP. I switched to the similar "Wanderlust" which
           does support IMAP and haven't looked back.
           \_ In the VM 7.19 from there is an
              vm-imap.el dated 5/30/2003.
              \_ VM's IMAP support is marginal. You can pretty much use it
                 like POP to fetch mail, but you can't do things like
                 disconnected operation etc. ... if you need to use it just
                 like POP because your server only supports IMAP not POP,
                 it's fine, but if you need to do server synching, marks,
                 disconnected operation, etc., VM is not your bag. -pp
2005/10/28-31 [Computer/SW/Mail, Computer/SW/Security] UID:40324 Activity:nil
10/28   Abandon the Web! guerrilla platform warfare:
2005/10/20-22 [Computer/SW/Mail] UID:40201 Activity:nil
10/20   Sendmail question: When I send mail while logged into my mail server
        to an address on the same server, the From address appears
        as "username" rather than "username@mailserver".  Can somebody
        give me a hint what I need to change to have the full address appear?
        \_ In both Emacs sendmail and MS Outlook, you can specify an address in
           the "From:" field.
           \_ This is a question, not about the mail client.
        \_ FEATURE(always_add_domain)dnl in  -tom
2005/10/6-9 [Computer/SW/Mail] UID:39998 Activity:nil
10/6    Is there a UNIX command line that uses an SMTP server to send out
        email? Something like:
        prompt> mail -smtp_server <DEAD><DEAD> -user
         -password abcdefg
        \_ ObUseTelnet
        \_ Theres probably more modern tools, but 11 years ago I downloaded
           ~mehlhaff/bin/, which I've never actually used.
           The trick is finding an open SMTP relay that will let you use it.
        \_ I think this is the esmtp I use
           with a ~/.esmtprc that does what you describe.  -ax
2005/8/23 [Computer/SW/Mail, Computer/Companies/Yahoo] UID:39234 Activity:nil
8/23    I have a lot of problems with Google and Yahoo mail lately. I use
        pine with the "Roles" feature where I can set the From: field to
        whatever address I have. I've been using this for a while without
        any problem, but lately Google and Yahoo just filter all of my
        mails. How do I tell them that my email is legit? I don't send
        spam contents or anything like that. Thanks.
        Below is my header, generated by Pine and the mailer:
From  Tue Aug 23 12:45:24 2005
Return-Path: <>
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 12:45:24 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Blow <>
        \_ Is advertising SPF rules that contradict where you're
           actually sending it from?
           \_ What's a SPF rule and how do I find out?
               \_ 1)
                  2) dig TXT
2005/7/26-28 [Computer/SW/Mail] UID:38836 Activity:nil
7/26    What's a graphical mail reader for unix that lets
        me specify multiple SMTP servers for sending email?
        For instance for GMAIL i want to use <DEAD><DEAD> .
        for work I want to use <DEAD><DEAD> . I can sort of do
        it in Thunderbird if I manually change the SMTP server
        every time I send mail from certain locations. - danh
        \_ Mozilla.  Under Mail & Newsgroup settings -> SMTP Servers ->
           Advanced.  Probably Tbird as well.  -John
2005/7/2-5 [Computer/SW, Computer/SW/Mail] UID:38398 Activity:nil
7/2     Bad software interface causes loss of more than $12 million: (
2005/6/13-15 [Computer/SW/Mail, Computer/SW/Security] UID:38098 Activity:nil
6/13    Any recommendations for a free webmail service that doesn't charge for
        POP3 download, SMTP?  I want to be able to access it using VersaMail
        on Treo 650.  Using GMail right now, but I'm not a big fan of their
        privacy practices.  So the requirements are: free, respects privacy, a
        viable company.
        \_ I think you're just going to have to suck it up and use Gmail.
           \_ Agreed.  No company is gonna offer free popS service for free
              besides google.  At least not right now.
2005/6/10-13 [Computer/SW/Mail, Computer/SW/Languages/Misc] UID:38079 Activity:nil
6/10    Does anyone else have this Outlook problem?  Once a while the fonts in
        the HTML messages in my Inbox becomes very big.  Then if I go to other
        messages and then go back to those HTML messages later, the fonts will
        become normal again.  Rich-text and plain-text messages don't have this
        problem.  Thx.
2005/5/14-16 [Computer/SW/Mail, Recreation/Woodworking] UID:37677 Activity:nil
5/14    Buy a "dinosaur" pine:
2005/5/8-9 [Computer/SW/Mail] UID:37571 Activity:kinda low
5/8     I was thinking about switching from to a different mail
        client and a couple of people told me to try mutt. Does anyone
        here use it? Can it handle multiple servers (I have a pop3 account
        and an imap account and want to keep the mail separate)? I was
        looking through the HOWTOs and I couldn't figure this out. tia.
        \_ I use it for my soda mail.  When I first switched, the keymapping
           confused the hell out of me, but now I'm much happier than before.
           And I can use emacs to write my emails.  So much more useful than
           any default editor.
           \_ It's of course not emacs, but you can get all Cocoa programs
              to support the basic emacs editing commands (M-f, etc.), which
              is often good enough for me:
              Google "DefaultKeyBinding" for more.
        \_ offlineIMAP may help: -tom
        \_ As a former mutt user (who is quite fond of mutt for what it is),
           and current user, I consider mutt a step backwards.
           Primarily because mutt doesn't elegantly support multiple windows
           so you can view several messages at the same time, view a mailbox
           and compose a message at the same time, etc. -dans
        \_ Yes and no. You have to use separate rc files and override the
           default ~/.muttrc choice using the -F option because the server
           settings are global. Run a separate mutt instance for each...
           I like the opposite behavior and use fetchmail to merge all my
           accounts and then use msmtp as my sending agent to allow me
           to send as 4 different From addresses w/ the proper authenticated
           SMTP relay for each account.
2005/4/29-7/12 [Computer/SW/Mail, Computer/SW/Security] UID:37426 Activity:nil
4/29    From the official motd above:
        As of May 11 Soda will discontinue SSH 1 and secure telnet support.  We
        will also be discontinuing support for unauthenticated/unencrypted
        mail services in compliance with university security requirements.
        Please see your email for more information (assuming you're on
        csua@csua).  Questions, comments, complaints, and cheap floozies to
         \_ Does this mean that I will not be able to access csua using
            ssh, or simply that there will be no one to help with problems,
            or that I need to use a new secure version of ssh?  Also, can
            I still use pine on csua?
            \_ SSHv1 is the old insecure version of the protocol. Most
               ssh clients now support SSHv2. If you are using OpenSSH
               you should have no problems.
         \_ Does this mean we will be able to use soda as an smtp gateway
            when off of campus net?
            \_ From the email sent out a few hours ago:
                To comply with UC Berkeley departmental standards, we must
                terminate support for unauthenticated/unencrypted external
                access to all mail services. If you access Soda via POP, IMAP,
                or send mail through our SMTP server you MUST switch to use
                both authentication and SSL/encryption. These options should
                be easily found within most mailers,

                IMAP / port 993 (w/ssl)
                SMTP / port 465 (w/ SSL + login is
       and password)
                POP / port 995 (w/ auth + SSL)

        \_ Per request, a copy of the email has been saved to the following
           location: /csua/pub/SodaChanges0505
           - jvarga
                \_ As an aside, I've found that for some bizarre reason,
                   Mozilla mail doesn't like some SMTP AUTH/TLS authentication
                   setups, while SMTP AUTH/SSL is just fine.  This is with
                   Postfix/SASL2 & Dovecot/imaps under FreeBSD 5.3-R.  I just
                   went through some trouble setting this up, and if anyone
                   wants my configs I'm happy to share.  -John
            \_ I'm off campus-net and I can send mail fine using SSL on port
        \_ Does that mean the ssh client at
  will no longer work?
2005/4/16 [Computer/SW/Mail] UID:37219 Activity:nil
4/16    I am Mr. Livi Chima, the Manager funds release with Standard Trust Bank
        (plc), I am the accountant in charge of Mr.Moris Miller`s account who
        used to work with a Multi-National oil Firm in Nigeria. Here in after
        shall be referred to as my client On April 21, 2001, my client, his
        wife, and their three children were involved in a car accident along
        Sagamu express way.
2005/4/15 [Computer/SW/WWW/Server, Computer/SW/Mail] UID:37204 Activity:high
4/15    My company specifically blocks out port 995, which is pop3 over
        SSL.  This makes me wonder, are they archiving all emails
        received through regular pop3 port? I don't see any other
        reason for blocking the port. Sending smtp via ssl is ok
        \_ Chances are they don't know about POP3/SSL.
           Send them a polite request to open the port.
        \_ What does your company do?
           \_ I can't retrieve gmails through pop. at home it works fine.
2005/4/14-15 [Computer/SW/Mail] UID:37197 Activity:nil
3/14    does gmail's pop3 work? Is there a delay after you enable it? pop login
        always fails and I followed the setting to the letter. my client is
        outlook 2003... thanks...
2005/3/23-24 [Computer/SW/Mail] UID:36836 Activity:moderate
3/23    I am running NAT. My smtp server (on the other side) refuses to allow
        connections from anywhere but my own domain. I am mapping my
        internal IPs to external IPs. Is there something I need to do to
        the sendmail client to prevent "550 5.7.1 Access denied"? The
        server seems to disconnect me because it sees the original
        headers. Do they need to be rewritten?
        \_ What smtp server?
           \_ Dunno. I am not the admin. I assume sendmail, but maybe not.
        \_ your question is not clear.  the smtp server is on the public
           network and you are connecting from behind nat?  if the server
           is checking tcp/ip addressing, it will see the address of
           the NAT device's WAN interface.  otherwise, it will see the
           HELO name provided by your sending agent, which perhaps also
           has to match your domain?  the internall addressing on your
           LAN should have no impact, unless you are trying to configure
           the sending agent's self-identity in a perverse way. what
           happens if you telnet to the server's smtp port?  are you
           dropped immediately or only after issuing a HELO/EHLO command?
           \_ Correct. I am not dropped immediately. I can connect and
              issue a HELO with no problems.
              \_ then what are you asking again?  can you manually
                 send a message via telnet?  can you get a trace of the
                 failing sessions?  what is different between the two?
                 I punted and use "msmtp" to deliver messages via my
                 authenticated SMTP server.
2005/3/11-14 [Computer/SW/Mail] UID:36650 Activity:low
3/11    Why does trn keep crashing?  It seems if I leave trn idle for about
        5 minutes when I try to use it again I get an "unexpected socket
        close" error.  This started maybe 2 months ago.  What's up?
        It's making it difficult to multitask newsgroup reading. -jrleek
        \_ The message means that trn's network connection died.  You could
           try mailing news@agate asking them not to use such an aggressive
           idle timeout; failing that, I guess we could hack trn to send some
           sort of keepalive every few minutes.  --mconst
           \_ Done.  I have yet to recieve a reply, but the message was
              sent at about 4pm on Friday, so that's no surprise. -jrleek
        \_ I have the same problem. It's fairly new.
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