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| 2002/2/15 [Computer/Networking] UID:23871 Activity:very high |
2/14 Know any local stores in SF and Oakland area, that sell networking
products? Like hubs and cat5 cables? The Major chain stores like
compUSA, ciruit city and bestbuy sell hubs at about $60. I heard
you can get a 4port hub for around $20, and 25' cat5 cables for
around $5
\_Fry's had a 100Mb 4 port switch+lan card for $40. Home despot has a
500' box of cat5e for $40 and 1000' for $55, and a pack of connectors
for $8.
\_ Central Computer is close to downtown but it's not the cheapest
place. If I need something ASAP that's where I go. Otherwise,
I drive to Fry's in Palo Alto.
\_ can't you get dirt cheap deals on this stuff by google'ing? With
overnight or 2nd day shipping wouldn't this work out similar price
similar time, more convenience?
\_ Don't use google for shopping. Go to http://pricewatch.com or some
other shopping/comparison engine. Everything is not a nail.
\_ yeah but I just nailed yer mom
\_ Cheap bastard! You didn't even leave 3 bucks on the
nightstand! You owe mymom 2 more bucks!
\_ The $20 4port hub was maybe the refurbished 10Mb linksys/netgear
at Fry's. Even http://amazon.com had 50' CAT5 cables. I think there's
a Fry's in Fremont. Not that far via 880 (or even BART if u savvy |
| 2002/2/12-13 [Computer/Networking, Computer/SW] UID:23845 Activity:high |
2/12 I just bought a USB/parallel port scanner. Parallel seems to be a bit
faster. Is that expected?
\_The speed of your scanner isn't necessarily directly correllated with
your type of port. Might be a driver issue, but theoretically USB
should be faster.
\_ All else being equal, how is it not correllated?
\_ Well, you could just have a slow-ass scanner that doesn't
work well with USB.
\_ *smartass followup deleted* summary: USB is faster. Thanks.
\_ USB: 1.5Mbits/sec or 12Mbits/sec. Parallel: 8Mbits/sec
USBv2: 420Mbits/sec. IEEE-1394(firewire): 400Mbits/sec |
| 2002/2/6-7 [Computer/Networking] UID:23792 Activity:very high |
2/5 Just curious, what is the uplink rate for AT&T Broadband?
\_ AT&T Broadband the cable TV? No clue. If you mean AT&T
Broadband Internet (ATTBI), it's been capped since the @Home
days at 128kbps (kilo_bits_persec). Since it became ATTBI,
they also capped downstream at 1.5Mbps =( --dbushong
\_ of course I mean internet, you pedantic moron
\_ 128kb/s upload. 1.5mb/s download. Hard caps.
\_ 128kb/s, is that enough for video conferencing?
\_ 64kbps is enough if you don't need high quality. 128
is ok and 384 is pretty good for RT streaming. |
| 2002/2/4-5 [Computer/Networking] UID:23772 Activity:moderate |
2/4 after all is said and done, what the hell was mlife?
\_ at&t wireless' new brand. i'm trying to figure out what makes it
so different from services readily available. http://www.mlife.com wasn't
too helpful.
\_ From what I can tell it's that
mlife : att wireless as cingular : pacbell wireless.
\_ cingular is not just pacbell/sbc fyi
\_ A way to confuse wireless with life insurance?
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/56770_mlife02.shtml
\_ After spend millions on the superbowl commercial, when I
logged on and try to find out what mlife was, the web server
was down for the good part of the game. Good work.
\_ Maybe the commercial worked too well and attracted too many hits.
\_ "That *was* stupid, Bob."
\_ NO, you logged on?! Now THEY win... |
| 2002/1/24-25 [Computer/Networking] UID:23657 Activity:high |
1/24 What is the best DSL/cable/etc. service south of campus?
\_ DirecTV is not bad compared to PacBell except that you need to
power-cycle their gateway once a week on the average. It costs the
same, you get a static IP address, and you avoid using the satanic
PPPoE.
\_ thanks! i would like to avoid the monsters. static IP wahoo!
\_ PacBell no longer does static IPs?
\_ not in the basic service. -tom
\_ um, is it any harder to share a line with multiple comps?
\_ no
\_ It has no start-up cost but after 6 mo. locks you in to
a $49.99 per month. They sell one-year contracts...so
actually it's cheaper, but evidently less flexible (PacBell
has start-up and starts at $49.99/mo.)
has start-up and starts at $49.99/mo. but was recently
$39.99/mo. -- shouldn't DSL be getting CHEAPER??? wtf! iprotst!)
\_ goto circuit city, and ask for DirectTV promotional offer. You
may $9.99/mo for the first three monthes, then $49.99/mo. 1 year
contract; no ativation fee; $19.95 quick starter fee; 24.99
shipping and handling fee. Only at participating locations. I
went to one, they do offer the package, however the employees
there do not seem all that ethusiastic about selling it. Looks
like they are not making money with that offer which ends at the
end of Jan.
\_ what is the latency on DirectTV DSL connections?? Good luck
trying to edit the motd
\_ Good enough to edit motd and do a -lot- of work over ssh.
-DTV DSL user living in berkeley
\_--- http://soda.CSUA.berkeley.edu ping statistics ---
61 packets transmitted, 61 packets received, 0% packet loss
round-trip min/avg/max/mdev = 27.533/56.400/223.502/45.142 ms
\_ I use ATT @home (or whatever its technically called now). Aside
from the recent inanity about Excite going bankrupt (which was
handled surprisingly well, at least for me) I have had no
problems. They don't "promise" you a static IP, but mine hasn't
changed in the last year that I've had service. Cost is some-
where arounr $45/mo. (recently went up as well) and they used
to have a free installation, 3 months free plan. Check their
website for current promotions.
...they also have digital phone that I've been meaning to try
which seems like a good deal. - rory
\_ It ain't static no more. Fuck you AT&T.
\_ I switched to http://sonic.net (ADSL) for this reason.
\_ It's always been DHCP but the numbers don't change once
assigned. Welcome to the real world. Thank you AT&T for my
dynamically assigned static IP and for the number of ninnies
who left the network because they think they're not getting
one. |
| 2002/1/15-16 [Computer/Networking] UID:23569 Activity:high |
1/15 How can I setup my router so that it will take in both my AT&T AtHome
IP and my internal corporate DSL (intranet)? Do I need a switch or
a bridge of some sort? -network clueless
\_ thats a pretty complex networking problem. You need a router
machine( could be a Linux or other opensource OS system) with 3
ether ports to take the traffice and sort out the routing. Then
you need to set it up with NAT or somesuch to translate things
so that the single 'inside' ip address you use at home gets
translated right so traffic to your corporate DSL thinks you're
inside it for traffic going to corporate networks, and then
dumps the rest of the traffic out your at hom3 connection. -ERic
\_ and you have to be careful not to tell anyone at work
about it because you'll get your ass fired for exposing
the corporate network to the world. -tom
\_ if they cared then no-clue lad wouldn't have dsl direct
to the inside of the corp net anyway. |
| 2002/1/8-9 [Computer/Networking] UID:23491 Activity:very high |
1/8 Apple's new dome shaped iMac-- yay or nay?
yay: ..
nay: .
gay: ...
too pricey: .
it looks like a fat desk lamp, you know the arm will break: ..
\_ Does it have a floppy drive? It looks like there's no space for
one.
\_ iMacs have never had floppy drives, why start now?
\_ Seriously, who uses a floppy these days? - alum who hasn't
used a floppy since 97.
\_ I do. I dial in with a 28.8K modem and I'm too cheap to buy
a zip drive or DSL or cable modem, so floppy is a good way to
copy files between work and home. |
| 2002/1/7-8 [Computer/Networking] UID:23480 Activity:high |
1/7 If you have DSL at home, do you just need a 10/100Base-T hub to set
up a LAN? Or do you need a router/switcher?
\_ Yes. You need a router and a switch. Most broadband routers
include a built-in switch, so, you might not need to buy a switch
separately.
\_ What's the price of a switch, a hub, or a router nowadays?
\_ OK, new acronym: GTFG. Go to fucking Google. RTFM is
just too narrow for today's information techonology env.
Or maybe UTID. Use the Internet, Dumbass.
\_ dang, that question really pains you alot huh.
\_ there already is a common acronym. It's STFW
(Search the Fucking Web).
\_ $100 or less without a wireless access point. If you get
a router with a wireless access point its going to cost
between $160 and $300. See http://www.practicallynetworked.com
for reviews .. SMC and Netgear seem to be making pretty
good stuff in general.
\_ http://Pricewatch.com is your friend here, not google.
\_ do you have multiple IPs? if not, and if you want multiple machines
to be able to access the internet, you'll need something to do NAT.
\_ What I did (and many others): ISP -> Cable/DSL -> Computer External
Interface. Then Computer has second NIC which is Internal Interface
-> Hub/Switch. Computer runs NAT/Proxy/whatever. Internal net is
10.x.x.x or 192.168.x.x or 172.??? (I forget the third non-routable
net). So you get: ISP -> DSL -> Computer External <-> Computer/NAT
<-> Computer Internal -> Hub/Switch <- Other Computers on Internal
Net. The External IP is assigned by your ISP. Some DSL modems
will do NAT so you get: ISP -> DSL (uses ISP assigned IP) <-> All
Computers on Interal 10.x.x.x interface via NAT on the DSL modem.
\_ You are nothing more than a common thief:
http://www.cedmagazine.com/ced/2001/1101/11d.htm
\_ Troll, don't be stupid. My ISP has directions posted on how
to use NAT. NO COOKIE! --Nat User posting info above
\_ "Gyp-sies, tramps, and thieves, we'd hear it from the people
of the town..."
\_ This has got to be a joke.
\_ actually to just make your LAN out of your DSL, cable service,
wouldn't a regular hub be enuf? Or is it not true for people
don't have static IP?
\_ No. Who is providing IP addresses? You need Nat or you
need to buy/rent multiple IPs. IP addresses don't magically
appear when you plug into a hub.
\_ Yes. You need a router and a switch. Most broadband routers
include a built-in switch, so, you might not need to buy a switch
separately.
\_ What's the price of a switch, a hub, or a router nowadays?
\_ OK, new acronym: GTFG. Go to fucking Google. RTFM is
just too narrow for today's information techonology env.
Or maybe UTID. Use the Internet, Dumbass.
\_ dang, that question really pains you alot huh.
\_ $100 or less without a wireless access point. If you get
a router with a wireless access point its going to cost
between $160 and $300. See http://www.practicallynetworked.com
for reviews .. SMC and Netgear seem to be making pretty
good stuff in general.
\_ http://Pricewatch.com is your friend here, not google. |
| 2002/1/5-6 [Computer/Networking] UID:23475 Activity:high |
1/5 HomePNA: awesome. USB model was $50/unit at the local compusa.
USB is less than perfect so I had to reboot one of the machines to
get it to stop using 99% cpu but it's now working and it's fucking
awesome. Also, since the Netgear units I got have a plug for the
wall and another for the phone you can really plug two machines into
the same USB device via the phone cable and they'll talk that way in
a pseudo token ring, but that's not a big deal. Just like an analog
modem, both phone plugs are wired to do either job. 10 mb home
networking at $50/box. Hard to beat that. There's also a bridge
for homepna/ethernet for $135 if you don't want a windows box to be
the router. I used winroute on win2k and saved the $135. Thank you
motd.
\_ you like because of the phone wiring? you can get 100baseT
equipment at $30/node and 5-port switches at $6/port. cables xtra.
\_ Yes, it's all about phone wiring. I can't get my office wired
without punching holes into the outer walls of my house or
sending a magic monkey into the walls to run cables. So now
I've got $50/node for usb adapters and no extra hubs/switches
or bridges to play with. There's already about 3 dozen power
cables in just the one room. 10 mb/s, phone wired, very happy.
\_ personally, i have no use for a high-speed internet
connection in my home, but i'd pay good money for a magic
monkey.
\_ Well I do have a magic monkey but he's on vacation in
the Bahamas right now and I couldn't wait. If you're
nice I might introduce you when he gets back. |
| 2002/1/5-6 [Computer/Networking] UID:23470 Activity:low |
1/4 Comments on cable broadband vs DSL? Which one has lower start up
cost? I don't know how long I'll stay at my current place, so
don't want to pay a bundle for installation etc.
\_ AT&T usually has deals that include first 3 months either free or
for $19.99/mo and no startup cost or yearly contract. In fact, I
think you can cancel after those three months. It's best if you are
planning on leaving your apartment in the next 12 months.
--30month cable modem veteran
\_ Be careful, most motd'ers will tell you that most things
"don't work with cable modem".
\_ Yeah because ya know ethernet is not like ethernet... or uh
something like that I guess. |
| 2002/1/4-5 [Computer/Networking] UID:23466 Activity:low |
1/4 Thanks for the http://www.2wire.com URL. Exactly what I needed. update: dlink also sells homepna stuff for anyone else interested. update 2: *Very* cheap USB and PCI options at Compusa. I can get my house going 10mb with homepna for $30/box. I may or may not need the $135 pna <-> ethernet converter. I'm guessing not since these things all come with generic proxy/NAT/DHCP software. I'm going to try this out over the weekend and let you know how it goes. \_ All right, but if you decide that you want a 2wire box, post again and I'll contact you. \_ 2wire didn't seem any different than the other homepna 2.0 makers. Any reasons I'd want that over any of the 5 or 6 others I saw in compusa today? |
| 2002/1/4 [Computer/Networking] UID:23446 Activity:moderate |
1/3 I want to wire my house for ethernet. 4 plug jacks in the walls,
a hub somewhere near the cable modem, etc. Anyone does this? Got
any advice? Got the name of contractors to use/avoid? Thanks!
\_ unless you need to be > 10MB, I suggest you to go wireless.
\_ You mean 10Mb
\_ I'd rather not have wireless.
\_ Not too hard to DIY - just punching holes for the backplates
and then snaking the cable. And since you're already doiing
it, consider wiring for a/v too.
\_I'll do it for you for $50 a jack plus hard cost. williamc
\_ Wow, I was thinking about posting this same message.
I figure I can do with a trip to Fry's and my attic. Just follow
the path of my existing telephone cables. Any known gotchas?
Don't trust wireless, plus I want 100Mb between my hosts.
Recommendations for cheap quality switch?
Anyone do fiber? Difficult? Expensive?
\_do you own a bandsaw and fishing cable? williamc
\_why bandsaw? can use existing phone jacks but just add an
RJ45 jack and change faceplate, right?
\_ http://arstechnica.com/guide/networking/installation-1.html |
| 2002/1/3 [Computer/Networking, Computer/HW, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:23442 Activity:high |
1/2 What are the pros and cons of using dnscache (djbdns) vs bind for
a caching name server?
\_ I ran djbdns as a caching/primary server for a few weeks. I
didn't like it at all. The thing was a pain to setup (dirs in
all sorts of strange places, a bunch of support pgms, ets) and
maintain (the files have strange syntax rules and there isn't
enough debug/error reporting).
In terms of its operation, I found that it didn't like using
certain nameservers (namely those of my isp) as forwarders,
cached the ips of dns round-robin hosts far longer than the
records were valid for, and played poorly with recursive
requests from mac's and win95/98.
I gave up and I'm using OpenBSD's BIND 4 as a caching ns now.
Its secure and it works for what I need.
\_ I had a similar experience with djb's publicfile (anon
ftp/http file server) It requires non-standard utilities that are
installed in non-standard directories (that's easily changeable
though) and it doesn't support certain ftp clients that people
use, such as netscape.
\_ if it doesn't work with my software, you shouldn't be
using it. -djb |
| 2002/1/2-3 [Computer/Networking, Computer/SW/Security] UID:23431 Activity:high |
1/1 I'm using SecureCRT over a 33.6 modem to connect to soda, and my
connection consistently is reset after typing just a few
characters (for instance, I couldn't type this post using it).
I've tried ssh 1 & 2; 3des, rc4, and blowfish; and several
different server types, with no improvement. Why is this
happening?
\_ SecureCRT does that with DSL connections for me. Not that bad
but enough for me to curse it or windows.
\_ Could be flaky modem connections or so--although that usually
happens with v.90 (56.6k)--doesn't ssh have some sort of error
checking to make sure no funny business is going on with your
connection? I would try to bring down the connection speed to
1200 and then gradually increase it and see what happens. Also
for fun try another ssh client like TeraTerm to compare. -John
\_ Try putty, it works better than SecCRT on dialup lines (at least
that was my experience when I was in India and had to deal with
the dial up lines there).
\_ putty? barf! Putty was dropping me from a rock solid T1 line.
This is definitely what they meant by "get what you pay for"
when it comes to software. Tera Term takes an extra 30 seconds
to setup, is free, and unlike putty, it works. I'd rather go
back to whistling in the phone then use putty.
\_ I use putty on both T1 and dial-ups. It never drops any
connctions.
\_ I've used SecureCRT on dial-up and over cable and, with the
exception of campus network outtages, have never had problems. |
| 2001/12/28-31 [Computer/Networking] UID:23397 Activity:high |
12/28 SBC has jacked my DSL rate from $39.95 to $49.95. Wtf? --erikred
\_ That's hardly news. DSL price jacking started this summer.
If SBC started charging you $49.95 only now, they probably had some
sort of contract or agrrement with you that was preventing them
from increasing the price earlier.
\_ Correct. I had a year-long contract at $39.95 per month.
Now they're offering me a month-to-month contract at the
"special" price of $49.95. Bleah. Suck suck suck. --erikred
\_ hey, wait, doesn't capitalism = free market? i don't get it!
i would think costs have gone down, and sales way up, aren't
they happy enough with that?
\_ Welcome to the wonderful world of no competition. It could be
worse. The only remaining DSL carrier _could_ have been AT&T.
fix our economy.
\_ Yeah, screw competition. Screw Sun and Apple. We
should all make way for Microsoft because that will
Then there would be no price competition for broadband whatsoever.
\_ Quit yer liberal whiny ass crying, communist. It's the
successful companies like AT&T (and Microsoft) what will
fix our economy.
\_ Nice Troll. No cookie.
\_ And learn to spell. And it was a Bad Troll since no one bit
because it looked like a Bad Troll. You still get no cookie.
\_ Free market competition >> government controlled
>> private monopoly |
| 2001/12/24-26 [Computer/Networking] UID:23359 Activity:high |
12/23 Is anyone here familiar with the bind 4.9.8 code? I'm trying
to restrict the set of interfaces that named listens on (I
have three interfaces and only want named listening on 2 of
them). I've patched get_netconf in ns_main.c (among other files)
to basically skip any interface that is not listed in named.boot.
This seems to work, in that netstat shows only udp <ip>.domain
entries for those interfaces listed in named.boot. But named
still responds to queries from the other interface. Any ideas/
pointers will be appreciated. tia.
\_ See named.conf(5) regarding the "listen-on" option. --dbushong
\_ listen-on is a bind 8-9 option, I'm trying to hack the
same thing into bind 4 but I'm running into problems.
\_ Steal the 8.x code.
\_ 8.x is sufficiently different that it didn't
help me to look at the code.
\_ why don't you upgrade to the latest 8.x? --aaron
\_ I'm using the "audited" named on OpenBSD. I would prefer
not to upgrade.
\_ I'm using OpenBSD but screw that 4.x stuff. I'm running
9.x. Let 'em root my box. Better that than 4.x.
\_ 8 and 9 are way to big/complex/insecure for my needs.
Anyway, I've managed to hack in the listen-on option.
Now my named just listens on the interfaces that are
specified in named.boot. It sort of works, except for
recursive queries (since its not listening on the
interface connected to the internet, it doesn't get
responses to queries it generates).
responses to queries it generates. I can't seem to
figure out how bind 8 handles this.)
Since this is not quite what I wanted, so I hacked
in a querynets option that allows me specify a list
of nets from which to accept queries. This prevents
people outside of my internal domain from querying
the nameserver for internal information. The downside
to this is that I have to check querynets for each
response, which slows down the server a bit.
I can post the patches if anyone is interested in
hacking with this a bit more.
\_ the 8.x branch is pretty well hammered by now.
also if you're running named as user bind, you
can sleep easier. --aaron
\_ 8/9 haven't been audited but has there been a security
issue in 8.x since 8.24? What's wrong with 8.24+? Are
you at a bank or something?
\_ I've been working on this on my home machine,
but it is to help a customer who is concerned
about security. I'll probably tell them go with
8.x since I've wasted enough time and it doesn't
quite work right yet. |
| 2001/12/22-24 [Computer/Networking] UID:23346 Activity:very high |
12/22 Looking to set up an anonymizing webbrowser. I want to set it up
on workmachine X so that when i browse from home I look like i'm
browsing from X. Squid support this?
\_ yes, provided you have access to the copy of squid running
at work from your house.
\_ Uh... turn off logging or you're not really anonymous on squid,
just delaying the feds by one step while they look for your kiddie
pics. And someone is going to ask who setup squid in the first
place and has access to it.
\_ Is it illegal to browse certain websites if I am > 18 yrs. old?
\_ If you're surfing from the U.S. it can be. Try surfing all
the kiddie porn sites and then take your computer in for a
repair and see what the FBI says about it. I know the typical
soda user doesn't do this, but non-geeks have done this and
been busted.
\_ Geez, I thought only in China one can get in trouble this
this way.... But will the fed trace log the ip number
and trace to the ISP and then bust the user directly?
\_ Geez, I thought only in China one could get in trouble
this way.... But will the fed trace log the ip
number and trace to the ISP and then bust the user
directly?
this way.... But does the fed log the ip then trace
to the ISP and bust the user directly?
\_ 1) I'm not a Fed, 2) Your own computer is the evidence,
3) You can skip the "I hate Amerikkka" trolling, 4) you
really think it's ok to peddle kiddie porn?
\_ 1) Is kiddie porn the only thing that is illegal
to surf? 2) What does this have to do with "hating
America" or a troll 3) Should everything that is
not "ok" or wrong to me be outlawed and persecuted
by the government?
\_ 1) bestiality, too
\_ what about depictions of it in newsgroups
and movies (Leolo?) |
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| 2001/12/20-22 [Computer/Networking] UID:23329 Activity:moderate |
12/20 Just curious, how wide spread is mbone (multicast)? I'm just wondering
if real-time on-line radio stations are somehow utilizing multicast or
are they wasting bandwidth.
\_ They are wasting bandwidth. But there is plenty to waste these
days.
\_ obNotIfYouHaveCableModem
\_ Multicast doesn't save bandwidth at the individual user
level, so it doesn't matter whether you're DSL, Cable or
T1/T3/OC48. Multicast saves at the ISP level by only
sending the ISP one copy of the stream and letting the
ISP split it out to all the listeners at that ISP.
\_ Is multicast part of TCP? IP? Or some other layer?
\_ I think it's usually used instead of TCP. It's
built on top of IP.
\_ umm, multicast saves at any level with more than
one recipient of the stream, e.g. LAN too if there is
popular program being received.
\_ multicast deployment has never been for shit world-wide. many
routers don't handle it well, and many admins are even worse. |
| 2001/12/19-20 [Computer/Networking] UID:23310 Activity:nil |
12/19 cisco kid, you got your greencard yet? |
| 2001/12/19-20 [Computer/Networking, Computer/SW/Security] UID:23308 Activity:low |
12/19 Anyone ever tried ATT Broadband phone service? They have a good
deal right now but I don't want to cancel PacBel, then find that
quality sucks or something, and have to pay a re-instatement fee
with PacBell.
\_ I've got AT&T Digital Phone Service. It is excelllent.
A couple interesting things though: 1) they install a small,
shoebox sized battery somewhere in your house. It keeps
the phone working in a power failure. 2) The installation USED
to be done by a crappy subcontractor company. (inept)
But the AT&T service employees that have since come out for misc.
things have been VERY skilled and helpfull.
Phone, Internet, CableTV all come in through a Single Coax cable.
You can keep your phone number, which means getting worth from
paying PacBells "Number Portability Charge" all those years.
\_ thanks for the info... I was about to sign my post as
"chialea" to try and solicit some responses. |
| 2001/12/18-19 [Computer/Networking] UID:23294 Activity:moderate |
12/18 How does a unix box decide when to send traffic to the default
route? ARP or network address?
\_ network address
\_ So what is ARP used for these days?
\_ ARP maps IP to MAC. Without the ARP table, you
can't send ethernet frames to your router, etc.
\_ So you really dont need to keep track of ARP broadcasts
from other people on your subnet, since the switch and
router figure out where everythign should go?
\_ If you have a switch, but you can't assume that
you are connected to a switch, since you could
be connected to a hub and there is no easy way
to determine that in software.
\_ Huh? Default route is gateway of last resort; if a machine can't
find a more specific route via another IP (i.e. a multihomed box,
or a computer on a segment with several gateways) it sends traffic
to the default gateway. If it's on an ethernet segment, traffic
gets to that default router via ARP, otherwise via whatever other
layer2 protocol is used. Two different things. -John
\_ UH, default route points to an IP address, ARP is what the system
uses to find out what ethernet MAC address is associated with that
IP address.
\_ I think he means does the unix box send out an arp request
for an IP address which it knows is outside the local network
(because of the subnet mask), or does it just send the packet
to the default route. I don't know, but snoop the network and
you'll find out.
\_ the kernel tries to send out a packet, wants to send it to
the default route, and if there's no arp entry for the
gateway router's ip address, either holds onto the packet
until it gets an arp entry, or dumps it. If the gateway
IP isn't on one of the connected networks, what happens then
is system dependent (some systems wont let you set a default
route to an ip address it has no route for).
\_ if the gateway IP is not a directed connected network
(or a network which the host has a static route to it).
it's a configuration error.
\_ well some (broken) systems *will* let you configure
a default router ip address that has no routes to it.
not exactly an 'error' in the frame of its
configuration, but still something that shouldn't work. |
| 2001/12/17 [Computer/Networking] UID:23280 Activity:nil |
12/16 [ Stupid whining deleted ]
\_ Here's succinct: soda doesn't work with cable modem.
\_ It will, but they charge extra.
\_ WTF? you're too succinct. |
| 2001/12/17-19 [Computer/Networking] UID:23277 Activity:high |
12/16 My DSL ISP is near death, and Covad is offering me continued connect-
tivity through their "Safety Net" program (otherwise known as the "We
Already Know You're Desperate, So ..." program). I live in the boonies
and my cable co. can barely manage regular TV, so IDSL is the only
technology available to me and Covad the only company that wants to
bother with it. Problem is, their 12-month contract comes with a $500
termination fee (non-pro-rated) and I'm certain I'll be moving *some-
time* before 12 months is up. Anyone out there been cancelled and
shafted by Covad, or know someone who has? What would you do in a
similar situation? Drop back to modems and go in to work more often?
Any exotic broadband options that I'm not thinking of? -- kahogan
\_ don't you live in SJ, near Adobe and the big hubs around it?
\_ Nope, Morgan Hill. If I lived in SJ, this'd be easy. -- kahogan
\_ What about Sprint wireless ? satellite
\_ didn't sprint ION die?
\_ Yes. I was very upset when they canceled my order.
But he wasn't asking about ION he asked about Sprint
wireless which is different than ION.
\_ starband
\_ When FirstWorld went under I was shafted by Covad. I switched
to http://Sonic.net. They provide a pacbell line but handle all the
setup and stuff, and it's a static IP line for the price of
pacbells stupid PPPoE line.
\_ Use the Safety Net, and switch to another ISP (I switched to
http://aplus.net when FirstWorld went under). When you move out in 6 months
or whenever, see if the person moving in wants DSL, and they can
pay you $50/mo for it. Otherwise, just keep paying the $50/mo. You
lose out on $300, so your average monthly fee comes out to be about
$100/mo. You're in the Valley, you can afford $100/mo for broadband.
-abe
\_ and what if the person moving in wants DSL but lies about it?
\_ Then you're out the ~$300. If he DOES pay you, you're not out
anything and your average DSL cost is still just $50/mo. |
| 2001/12/17 [Computer/Networking] UID:23274 Activity:high |
12/16 VPN cable modem crap deleted. lotsa words, little substance.
Keep your posts relevant, succinct, clear and entertaining.
There have been lots of long-winded diatribes lately.
Please save the bullshitting and essay-writing for class or
your employer's weekly status reports.
\_ Here's succinct: soda doesn't work with cable modem.
\_ It will, but they charge extra.
\_ WTF? you're too succinct. |
| 2001/12/17 [Computer/Networking] UID:23273 Activity:nil |
12/16 VPN cable modem crap deleted. lotsa words, little substance. |
| 2001/12/11-12 [Computer/Networking, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:23215 Activity:high |
12/11 Alpha Chi Sigma has rooms available for the spring semester.
The house is on northside, 3 blocks from soda hall and
has an ethernet behind a DSL router.
email Edward Pizzini <pizzini@jps.net> for more information
\_ Ran out of people to haze this year?
\_ c'mon, be fair... they probably just ran out of goats to
have people with. [I think this is funny and will keep
haze people with. [I think this is funny and will keep
restoring it everytime you delete it. hoser.]
\_ motd was restored. old motd. Also, don't you know ACS
is a professional Chemistry fraternity? There is a picture
of some membership on the latest College of Chemistry
alumni mag.
\_ professional, eh? Well I say, where there's hazing
there's goats.
\_ Yes, we stopped playing "Guess The Acid Taste Test" after
someone drank a whole cylinder of fuming nitric like a shot. |
| 2001/12/11-12 [Computer/Networking] UID:23208 Activity:moderate |
12/07 I'm a big lazy wimp who has been spoiled by the nice easy
GUI that comes with Firewall one. Anyone know a nice
easy gui frontend for managing netfilter/ipfw rules?
\_ vi
\_http://sourceforge.net/softwaremap/trove_list.php?form_cat \
=10&discrim=151
As a general tip, especially with things like ipfilter's keepstate
& similar functions under ipchains/ipfw/netfilter/whatever,
text-based firewall rules tend to be far friendlier to administer
in the long run; GUI firewalls lose you a lot of overview and
quick editing functionality, especially if you're dealing with
large numbers of rules. -John |
| 2001/12/8-10 [Computer/Networking] UID:23184 Activity:nil |
12/7 Is it possible to setup an ADSL router to support both DHCP and static
IP addresses at the same time? Essentially what I need is to have two
servers up on the network to be viewable by the outside, while the
rest of the computers use DHCP. I have five IP addresses available to
me, and I'd like to only use them for the servers. I assume that this
somehow can be done, but does it require additional hardware, like
a VPN box? Or should this be built into the router? The guy from
PacBell was clueless when I asked him this question and put us on
vanilla DHCP.
\_ sounds like a pretty basic DHCP server setup to me. the static
addresses either statically defined, or set up with dhcp statics, and
then a dynamic range over the rest. The only problem you might run
into is if your ISP runs a dhcp server on your same segment,
assigning random addresses you have no control over.
\_ Yes. Static routes and dhcp have nothing to do with each other.
Your clients will be on the inside of your router so you can hand
out those addresses as you like. |
| 2001/12/5 [Computer/Networking] UID:23149 Activity:high |
12/3 What's a good wireless networking solution to use (with WEP encrypt,
ease of configurability, etc)? Thanks.
\_ gee, all of the above is very interesting, but can someone fuckin'
tell me what brands (sw/hw) are recommended/not recommended ok thx
\_ i like lucent ap-1000's. --jon
\_ I have an RG-1000, which is the same as the Apple Airport, but
it looks like an iron instead of a UFO.
\_ I have an LinkSys BEFW11S4 and its pretty good, and is a
4 port switch and cable-modem/DSL router to boot. -ERic |
| 2001/11/28-29 [Computer/Networking, Computer/SW] UID:23129 Activity:nil |
11/28 Anyone know the pinouts for the console port on a Zyxel 643?
For some reason i can't seem to get it to accept any input
with the cables i've tried. |
| 2001/11/27-28 [Computer/Networking] UID:23118 Activity:high |
11/27 netstat -na reports that I have daemons listening
on ports 515,
111, and 1023. How do I figure out what processes are listening
where?
\_ /etc/services can tell what services are _supposed_ to use
those ports. lsof can tell which processes are actually using
what ports.
\_ lsof -i:<portnum>
Likely, 111 is portmap, 515 is lpd and 1023 is some rpc based
service that binds to a semi-random port.
\_ thanks
\_ Just so you know, 90+% of attacks reported by portsentry on
my firewall is for ports 53, 111, and 515. Stupid redhat.
FreeBSD rules. |
| 2001/11/22 [Computer/Networking] UID:23076 Activity:low |
11/21 How do I find out if my LAN is multi-cast capable or multiple
unicast?
\_ Your LAN is multicast capable. Congratulations!!1 |
| 2001/11/21 [Computer/Networking] UID:23069 Activity:high |
11/21 What is the <DEAD>hip.berkeley.edu<DEAD> domain? \_ Home IP -- PPP dial-up access. Started in 1993 or so. \_ ahh, so dynamic I.P.s yes? Follow up question: Why would i have [someone].hip.berkeley.edu in the ARP table of my linux box which is NATed? \_ used to be static. moved to dynamic about a year ago. \_ Static, I think. At least it was static back in 1993-1995. I don't know why you have it in your ARP table. |
| 2001/11/9 [Computer/Networking, Computer/SW/OS/Windows] UID:22984 Activity:kinda low |
11/8 Is there a way to do access control lists using .htaccess files in
apache? I want to do something like if src IP is A then redirect
to this URL. if src IP is B, deny. If src IP is C, then permit.
That kind of stuff. I've been getting a lot of hits that try to
execute cmd.exe or some other NT stuff. To exploit IIS. But my server
is a unix box. They're getting to be annoying and I want to filter
them out. Thanks.
\_ You can certainly block certain IP addresses using the Allow
and Deny directives. Don't know if .htaccess does redirects
based on IP address. You should go on google and type in
"htaccess allow deny".
\_ You can do anything you want (almost) with mod_rewrite (it's one
of the standard modules). Check out:
http://httpd.apache.org/docs/mod/mod_rewrite.html --dbushong
[MOTD partially restored; apparently someone thought
it was too long - boo-hoo....] |
| 2001/11/4 [Computer/Networking, Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:22926 Activity:low |
11/3 What is Netgraph? I'm trying to run ppp -ddial in freebsd to get
my dsl (which uses PPPoE) to work, and it says "Netgraph is not
built into the kernel."
\_ ah ha! I was just doing that today. you need to add
options NETGRAPH to your kernel and rebuild. also, upgrade
to 4.4-STABLE if you can, pppd does auto MTU fixing in the
latest version. --chucky
\_ you are ugly chucky |
| 2001/10/26-27 [Computer/Networking, Computer/SW/OS/Windows] UID:22846 Activity:kinda low |
10/26 What's the difference between a UART and a COM port? I thought a
COM port is just a UART wired to a physical 9-pin or 25-pin connector.
Thanks for any info.
\_ A COM port is just the Windows take on a serial interface, whether
it's a UART on the motherboard, a internal modem, or a PCCARD
modem..
[Someone nuked the MOTD again.] |
| 2001/10/20-21 [Computer/Networking] UID:22780 Activity:moderate |
10/19 any netrkers know how to set upd for linksys router?
\_ Turn on UDP_PORTSWAP--how to do that is client-specific. With
Netrek 1999, just run "netrekp" instead of "netrek". -tom |
| 2001/10/19-20 [Computer/Networking, Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:22779 Activity:very high |
10/19 Home Gateway recommendations wanted. I am thinking of getting
a NetGear RP114. I use Pacbell DSL (dhcp not static ip). Any
pros/cons to using this model? Is there a better one within
the same price range? (approx $120). thanks.
\_ I use a Linksys for around $98. It has firewall, IPSEC
support, 10/100 support. No "parental control" though.
\_ i recommend this too. who wants to futz with old, loud, bulky
power-drawing pc's that you need a hub for anyway and are a pain
to maintain and don't have instructions? i guess if you're too
poor for 100 bucks or want to practice sysadminning use a pc.
\_ i recommend this too. who wants to futz with old, loud,
bulky power-drawing pc's that you need a hub for anyway and
with routers based on a general purpose computers if you
know what you're doing.
are a pain to maintain and don't have instructions? i guess
if you're too poor for 100 bucks or want to practice
sysadminning use a pc.
\_ Granted, the $100 broadband gateways also have many
\_ true enough. the firewalls in the cheap routers are pretty
limited. don't block outgoing traffic for one thing.
\_ the decision is really between how much time you're willing
to invest for the features you need. FreeBSD/Linux router
is more configurable and probably cheaper. Off-the-shelf
router is easier to configure (well, they're pre-configured)
but won't be as configurable.
limitations. You can do lots of advanced and cool stuff
with routers based on general purpose computers if you
know what you're doing. The disadvantages of using a PC
as a gateway, on the other hand, are the heat, noise, and
maitenance costs as you mention it.
\_ true enough. the firewalls in the cheap routers are
pretty limited. don't block outgoing traffic for one
thing.
\_ the decision is really between how much time you're
willing to invest for the features you need. FreeBSD
or Linux router is more configurable and probably cheaper.
Off-the-shelf router is easier to configure (well, they
are pre-configured) but won't be as configurable.
\_ My openbsd box is also dns host for my domains, dhcp, nat,
ssh server, packet filter, email, www server, etc, etc.
Built from hw people give away free with a free OS you
can't beat the price. Power and heat and noise? I don't
sleep next to it. It just sits there humming. You don't
have to overclock it. A p5 system is quieter than anything
you'll buy today, doesn't use much more power than your
linksys and does more. It's your choice.
\_ Or try an old 386 with *BSD on it.
\_ running a p100 with linux 2.4 on it.
\_ I run a Sparc20 with OpenBSD--it's a bit loud, but works great.
I run ipfilter/ipnat, and draw dhcp on the outside, and serve
private dhcp out of four interfaces; also ntp forwarder, dns
forwarder out the internal interface (very cool if you have more
than one machine and want dns even if your link dies.) This is
the best and most flexible (and cheapest) option if you are willing
to put a little time into setting it up. -John
\_ does one have to be a net guru, or are there
instructions (web/book) easily available? thx.
\_ ipfilter is pretty well documented at
<DEAD>coombs.anu.edu/au/ipfilter<DEAD> NTP is at
http://www.eecis.udel.edu/~ntp , a good dhcp
implementation is at http://www.isc.org FreeBSD
is at http://www.freebsd.org and google is your
friend. And you can always ask nicely when the docs
don't float your boat 8) -John
\_ The openbsd FAQ at http://openbsd.org is pretty useful
too.
\_ I agree, a SS20 + OpenBSD is makes a nice home gateway.
\_ ok thanks!
\_ I agree, a SS20 + OpenBSD is makes a nice home gateway. I use
mine to do ipfilter/ipnat, dhcp for my nat'ed systems, mail
(postfix + imap) for my domain, web caching and http. I'm
planning to set it up to handle mail to news for some email
lists I read and I'll probably put my internal cvs repository
on it as well.
I figured most of it out from the FAQ on http://www.openbsd.org If
you want a printed book I'd recommend Building Linux and OpenBSD
firewalls by Sonnenreich and Yates. ----ranga
\_ wow, someone else who bought that book. Anyway yeah the
book is pretty good, but alas only covers ipchains. ipchains
and ipfw suck because they are stateless, they can't tell
one connection from another by the packets... which make
you just a little bit more vulnerable. Anyway, if you care
enough you might want to go with ipf or iptables to get
that extra check. And then run snort or lids. One
annoying thing about the book, is that it is rather redhat
based for the linux side, and who the hell uses redhat for
a firewall in their right mind?
\_ uh, what's wrong with redhat as a firewall?
\_ it has all the security features that make win98
under OpenBSD.
a desireable firewall platform.
\_ The book covers ipfilter and state-full firewalling
under OpenBSD. I can't comment on the linux bits,
as I don't really care about linux. |
| 2001/10/17-18 [Computer/Networking] UID:22760 Activity:moderate |
10/17 A question for those who have lived in Switzerland. What is the best
way to get broadband connection in Geneve? Does the "telereaseau"
thing support cable modem? Most people here haven't even heard of it.
\_ I don't know about Switzerland, but in France (Paris, at
least) the local cable company (Cable Lyonnaise) was
selling subscriptions for cable modems. And this was in
1999. So likely the Swiss have heard of it, especially in
Geneva. -cathyg
\_ Swiss Cheese, Cable Mayonnaisse
\_ Paris is a world apart from Geneva. I have met > a dozen real
estate agents and property owners in downtown Geneva during my
search for housing and none of them has heard of cable modem.
\_ Why the hell are you there then? Trying to find white chicks?
\_ you know the saying, Europeans are dumb and Americans rule.
Or is it the other way around?
\_ Other way around. Americans rule and Europeans are dumb.
\_ Telereseau is the cable network; contact your cable provider,
or have a look at http://www.hispeed.ch/www.cablecom.ch (run it
through babelfish or google, and send them a nice mail to ask
for details.) Also, Swisscom, Agri and Sunrise all offer *DSL
in most areas. I'm in Zurich; mail me if you'd like me to dig
up some more details. -John |
| 2001/10/11-12 [Computer/Networking] UID:22688 Activity:moderate |
10/10 What's the best way for a potential EE grad student (from
industry) to get in touch with some recent admits? Are there any
colloquia scheduled on this matter? --mjm
\_ maybe if you do enough colloquia to a girl she'll get an orgasm?
\_ Mail Sheila Humphries or have him mail her himself. Don't forget,
her mail doesn't work with cable modem.
\_ eh?
\_ it's a stupid in-joke that's been
going on for a while. pay attention
\_ um, and what is the point of doing so? There is thing thing
called the Industry Liason where people from both sides meet. |
| 2001/10/5-6 [Computer/Networking, Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:22636 Activity:low |
10/4 I have one win2k pc (with modem and network card) and one freebsd
box (with only a network card). If the pc can get online thru its
modem, is there a way to get internet on my bsd machine if I connect
the two together thru their network cards?
\_ After you login in Win2k, press F1, then type in Internet
connection sharing.
\_ then close that window, open up your network connections thing,
go to the properties of the internet one, click the sharing tab,
and share it with the LAN connection. |
| 2001/9/21 [Computer/Networking] UID:22566 Activity:nil |
9/20 person who asked about bombing back to stone age (ps article cannot
be viewed with cable modem):
http://www.snopes2.com/inboxer/outrage/ansary.htm
\_ Why can't it be view with cable modem?
\_ new around here aren't you?
\_ I must have missed some earlier discussions.
\_ I think it's a joke amongst two roommates who are pissed off at
@Home and blame everything, including BSD, X11 forwarding,
Saddam Hussein, and so forth to problems attributed to Cable
Modem. Their address is 2150 Channing Way, in case you want to
ask them more questions. |
| 2001/9/18-19 [Computer/Networking] UID:22520 Activity:high |
9/18 I have seen several people (mostly grads but some undergrads)
walking around soda with 802.11(b) cards on laptops. I have
a card of my own... does anyone know if there is some way I
can gain access to the wireless LAN? Thanks. - rory
\_ AirSnort
\_ You know, you're not half as funny or clever as you think
you are.
\_ neither are you.
\_ uh... AirSnort is a real thing.
\_ Yes. I see that now. I'm an idiot then. My apologies sir!
\_ Oh. I'm an idiot then. My apologies sir!
\_ officially? no. you need the special IDSG cards with
mac addrs on their access list. The best/easiest way to get
wireless is to work with a prof and have them get it for you thru
IDSG and their grant funds. - paolo
\_ (granted, you can just change your mac address....
figure out the key... hypothetically)
\_ Provided you know what mac addresses are allowed ...
What, you thought everything is free here? --Jon
\_ ping scan the network, then look at
arp -n | grep -v incomplete
IDSG and their grant funds. - paolo (granted, you can just
change your mac addres.... figure out the key... hypothetically) |
| 2001/9/6-7 [Computer/Networking] UID:22338 Activity:very high |
9/6 Has anybody purchased a "Catch-a-call"? Supposedly, you
plug it into the phone jack and you can now recieve
phone calls while logged on. -fab
\_ Why would you be using your telephone line to log in? Do you
live in some third world country?
\_ Yes, I am working in South Side Chicago - a third world
country. No DSL in my neighborhood, phone lines can't deal
with cable modem, etc. Just - does this gadget work?
Yes or no? -fab
\_ Your phone lines can't deal with cable modems? You poor,
poor soul.
\_ South Side Chicago really approached a third
world country in many respects. -fab
\_ I say, son, I keep on a'pitchin' 'em, and you
keep on a'missin' 'em. you're missing the joke.
are you saying you can't get cable TV over phone
lines in Chicago either? Man, that sucks. What
about power? No? Jebus.
\_ Why not get a second phone line or a cell phone then?
\_ gadget==$70, extra phone line >> $70 -fab
\_ Move to Palatine or something.
\_ there's a product called Hot-Call. If a call comes in
while you are on (requires call waiting), the hot-call product
rings. You can choose to answer or ignore. If you answer,
your modem connection will end.
\_ the catch a call add claims you can do both. Is this
bogus? or even possible? -fab
\_Read the fine print fab: "If you decide to answer the
call... simply pick up the phone at your station. CAC will
"Flash" the line for you automatically, putting the
computer and ISP on-hold for you. (The computer usually
disconnects at this point, since it does not "Hear" the ISP
any longer)." http://www.internationalelect.com/catcha.htm |
| 2001/9/6 [Computer/Networking] UID:22330 Activity:nil |
9/4 So is it hard to sign up for AtHome or PacBell DSL given all these
changes of epic proportions?
\_ Well, they're still advertising their services
\_ I switched from firstworld to pacbell dsl by going to http://sonic.net.
It was quite painless. Once I got router and the ip info from
sonic, all I need to do was edit /etc/hostname.qe0, /etc/mygate
and reboot. |
| 2001/8/29-30 [Computer/Networking, Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:22277 Activity:kinda low |
8/29 I have PacBell DSL with 1 dynamic IP. I don't have the $$$ to buy
a router with NAT. I'm looking for software NAT for windows 2000.
Is there such a thing? I know freebsd can do it, but I can't run
freebsd. And hopefully some firewall capability too.
\_ It eez built eento windoze 2k. look et help undr "Internet
Connexion sharing".
\_ check out http://www.zonelabs.com for free firewall(basic
version).
\_ You're paying $40-$50/mo for the connection and can't spend $80 for
a hardware firewall/router/etc.? |
| 2001/8/24 [Computer/Domains, Computer/Networking, Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:22254 Activity:nil |
8/23 Help stop the spread of Internet surveillance:
http://www.aclu.org/action/carnivore107.html |
| 2001/8/23-24 [Computer/Networking] UID:22221 Activity:kinda low |
8/23 What speed do you guys usually get on your PacBell DSL? I just got
it working yesterday and using the various speed test pages, I'm
getting anywhere from 400-700K. I've also heard that PacBell caps
your speed even if you're close to the CO. Is that true? Anybody
get 1 meg speeds? Thanks.
\_ I get about 1.2 Mb down and 128 Kb up with PacBell. --dim
\_ Does PacBell use PPPoE? Is there any signficant disadvantage to
PPPoE?
\_ Yes. Your IP address will change once in a while and that should
kill all active TCP/IP sessions. PPPoE software sucks too.
Either get DirecttvDSL or Sonic DSL. Same speed and price but
you get a static IP.
\_ will sonic or directtv be around?
\_ don't know about sonic but the rumor is that directv is
one of the few nation-wide DSL companies that is large
enough to survive the DSL turmoil. DSL is just one
of many other servives they sell. |
| 2001/8/20-22 [Computer/Networking] UID:22184 Activity:low |
8/20 Has anyone here ever set up an IPSEC vpn between a Cisco router
and a Netscreen box? If so, can you give me some tips? I think
I'm missing something painfully obvious. -John
\_ Did you open up the IPSEC traffic?
\_ Yeah, both sides are doing NAT, and both have completely
open filters/access lists. I can see the remote Netscreen
box in my IPSEC SA, but the Netscreen doesn't seem to be
picking up the cisco's ISAKMP negotiation. -John |
| 2001/8/20-21 [Computer/Networking] UID:22181 Activity:moderate |
8/20 Please submit cheap and easy way for my 1 @home machine to give
access to other machines in home?
\_ buy a cheap router (~$100) ... or put dual NICs in one of your
machines and have it act as a proxy
\_ Assuming you have a static IP, get a Linksys router. I got one
with 8 10/100 ports and setting it up is really simple. I've heard
that if you don't have a static IP the Linksys sucks. -eric
\_ but there is a number of similar products from netgear, smc,
d-link, etc. check out http://www.practicallynetworked.com
\_ Don't bother. @home is going belly up any minute now.
\_ So this is cool. I had: @Home, then @Home + DSL (Northpoint).
Northpoint goes boom, they put me on Rhythms (about 2 months
ago). Rhythms goes boom. They're moving me to Covad now.
Let's see if @Home can live until my Covad lights up, but
before Covad fails to get their required funding to live till
2002. Argh.
\_ Free: Install 2 NIC, enable connection sharing in windows for
NIC attached to @home. Totally insecure... Or go buy your favorite
386 on ebay, install OpenBSD, nat, firewall, etc...
\_ A machine in the P150, PII 266 or SS20 range will be much
better than a 386, since you will be able to apply patches
and rebuild faster.
\_ Oh blarg. Just pay $80 for a router/hub/firewall and be done with
it. I love my SMC Barricade--even has DHCP server, and can do
PPPoE for my DSL connection. |
| 2001/8/18 [Computer/Networking] UID:22161 Activity:low |
8.17 We implemented an attack against WEP, the link-layer security
protocol for 802.11 networks. The attack was described in a
recent paper by Fluhrer, Mantin, and Shamir. With our
implementation, and permission of the network administrator, we
were able to recover the 128 bit secret key used in a production
network, with a passive attack. The WEP standard uses RC4 IVs
improperly, and the attack exploits this design failure. This
paper describes the attack, how we implemented it, and some
optimizations to make the attack more efficient. We conclude that
802.11 WEP is totally insecure, and we provide some
recommendations.
(http://www.cs.rice.edu/~astubble/wep/wep_attack.html
- thoughts?
\_ I found that original paper a couple of weeks ago. My thought
is the obvious one: WEP is completely insecure, and to a
passive attack. - mikeym
\_ My thought is that the pheds will probably throw you in jail
for violating the DMCA. |
| 2001/8/15-16 [Computer/Networking, Computer/SW/OS/Windows] UID:22120 Activity:nil |
8/14 Could someone please repost the link to that article about the
TCP/MS theory and how M$ is going to take over the internet?
What were people's thoughts on this?
\_ I found the link in a motd archive... still really curious to
hear others' thoughts on it though.
http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20010802.html
\_ Cringely was just reiterating stuff from Gibson.
http://grc.com/dos/intro.htm
http://grc.com/dos/sockettome.htm |
| 2001/8/14-15 [Computer/Networking] UID:22114 Activity:high |
8/14 http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/010814/142566.html Why the hell are Netscape and Cisco on the top 20 list? Netscape browser is dead, few people use it nowadays. Cisco is a corporate monopolistic monster that buys other companies, has very little innovation and has messed up the housing crisis in the Bay Area. Fuck them both. \_ Having worked for the government, cisco, sun and several startups, IMHO cisco is the best company to work for bar none. The environment was great, the facilities and equipment were good, the products were reliable and well liked, management was outstanding and the compensation was excellent. - cisco alum \_ You work for Micro$oft? \_ Toyota, Honda, Yamaha and Nissan are California based? \_ yeah the North American divisions are. it's for tax purposes and to avoid all the negative publicity of imports of the 80's \_ I thought Lexus, Acura and Infinity were created for this purpose while Toyota, Honda and Nissan still continued calling themselves Japanese companies. \_ That's 2ndary, Lexus and Acura were created because toyota and honda were too associated with econo-boxes so they can compete with benz and BMW. and while you have most toyotas and hondas made in the U.S. noww - most lexus,acura, infinitis are still made in japan . |
| 2001/8/9-10 [Computer/Networking] UID:22063 Activity:moderate |
8/9 Does anybody know what Cringely is talking about when he says that
winXP's "open TCP sockets" design will make the virus situation
worse? If CodeRed can ping around, isn't that about the same as
raw socket access?
\_ Are you talking about that Gibson guy who saws raw sockets is
bad?
\_ the problem is with 'open TCP sockets' programs can be written
that can forge IP addresses and do other nastiness, making
DOS attacks harder to trasck down. ISPs could stop this with
ingress filtering, but they are generally too lazy.
\_ RED and PushBack will solve the (D)DoS problem if properly
implemented by about 20% of the internet.
\_ He's ripping off the statements made by some guy from http://GRC.com |
| 2001/8/9-10 [Computer/Networking] UID:22062 Activity:low |
8/9 A DSL line splits the digital and voice into different frequencies.
Theoretically they should not interfere with each other. But a
friend of mine have PacBell DSL and very often I cannot reach him.
When I can't get through it's usually busy or nobody answers. I
can confirm the problem by calling his cell phone and making sure that
nobody is using the line. Anybody have come across this problem with
PacBell DSL? I'm wondering if this is a wiring problem or something
fundamentally wrong with the line itself.
\_ depends on how the DSL was installed -- PB installed a splitter
and filters on my line to separate the signals. I hear in newer
'self install's they dont do that.
\_ with self-installs, you get a packet of filters to put on every
phone line that doesn't use DSL (as well as a splitter or two). I
forgot to put one on the answering machine and it was hanging up
on people before they could leave messages. So put the filters
on. |
| 2001/8/8 [Computer/Networking] UID:22042 Activity:high |
8/7 free and easy NT/win2000 FW? It is for the girlfriend. She jsut got
DSL. I will eventually have her nat'ed but in the meantime...
\_ get a $100 hardware NAT box such as netgear RT314, SMC, linksys, etc
\_ I love the SMC Barricade (4 port hub/PPPoE in hardware/Print server/
DHCP server/FW). $80 last I checked.
\_ I don't love the Barricade; I had one, and it broke. I sent it
back to SMC for a replacement; the replacement broke. They
wanted to send me a third unit; that's when I said "no thanks,
I'd like my money back so that I can buy a NetGear" (an RT314
which has been working just fine now for months.) -- kahogan
\_ Free? Tiny Personal Firewall or Zonealarm. Zonealarm is very easy,
but really, I find it more useful to block outgoing than incoming. |
| 2001/8/6-7 [Computer/Networking] UID:22023 Activity:moderate |
8/6 FirstWorld no longer provides DSL service in SF. I need a new ISP.
Any recommendations (or "stay away from"'s)?
\_ I got screwed by FW as well. I ended up ordering from http://Sonic.net.
They use PacBell as a line provider but they handled all the
pacbell interactions and you still get a static IP (all for ~
$55/mo). They have even called me to make sure my account and
line were working and have sent me email everytime something
was done to process my order. So far I'm quite happy.
\_ Covad 385kbps UP for $75/mo
\_ Ahem. That would be Third World.
\_ Not available in all areas. Bummer for me. |
| 2001/8/6-7 [Computer/Networking] UID:22013 Activity:high |
8/5 Any recommendations for wireless networking setup (card/AP)?
Requirements: robust, work w/FreeBSD & Linux, work with Berkeley
network, reasonably secure, reasonably cheap. Performance
is not a major concern (basically I got sick of wires in the
apartment, and want to replace them with 802.11b).
\_ be careful, it looks like the current encryption scheme (WEP?)
sold in most wireless LAN products today isn't strong enough
keep your data from curious neighbors. saw an article in sj
mercury news about it yesterday. something to do order of
"anyone with a laptop and wireless pcmcia card can break into
most wireless crypto methods in about an hour"..
\_ so use ssh. duh. -tom
\_ Its Wireless Equivalent Privacy. WEP is not an encryption
scheme. Its purpose is to make it just as hard to tap a
wireless link as it is to tap a cat5 or fiber link. Its
not designed to make the link more secure than standard
ethernet.
Just using wires doesn't make it any more secure. Even
on wired switched ethernet its possible to read cleartext
passwords using snoop or a catos/ios packet capture prog.
BTW, if its poorly shielded cat5k cable, you perform a
wiretap without splicing cables.
If you are worried about security, use strong encryption.
\_ But you can physically secure the cat5 wires as well as the
switches and routers, specially on a home network. Also, since
the switched ethernet is becoming more common it should be
very hard to sniff anything if at all and to get to the
switch/routers you likely need access to the secured area
where they are located within most organization. With 802.11b
you can sit safe and cozey in your office and sniff as far as
the other guy's laptop across the hall.
\_ So you are using double sheilded zero leakage cat5k
cable in your home? Wow! Are you using serial console
only to your networking equipment with the physical
console on a lcd so the FEDs can't read your screen?
\_ The KEYBOARD. You forgot about the KEYBOARD cable.
\_ It is simple to sniff switched wired networks if you
can plug into them. -tom
\_ I thought many of these boxes (in particular Apple Airport,
but probably others) offer access lists based on MAC
address... wouldn't that help with sniffing?
\_ No. MAC based authentication is required for joining
the network and using active attacks. The WEP "attacks"
are all passive.
BTW, for all you cordless phone users, did you know
that with a few hundred dollars worth of ham radio
equipment I could listen to all your calls?
\_ Yea, but I use CDMA cell phones.
\_ Good for you. I guess I can put my parabolic
mic away now.
\_ Are those round transparent things on the
sidelines during a NFL football game parabolic
mics?
\_ Good point! I keep my home network secured by keeping all
of my routers inside locked Faraday cages and covering the
outside of my house with aluminum foil.
\_ WEP fallibliity aside, I find the Linksys BEFW11S4 to be a pretty
good box, does wireless, network switch, DSL/Cable connection, the
whole deal, and fully configurable through web browser. I've used
\_ Does this mean that if I have e.g. an
ATT Cable modem, this will be enough
hardware to allow multiple machines w/
wireless ethernet cards to access the
Internet?
\_ Yes. You can even get them with 4
port switches. DHCP is supported
out of the box.
several wireless products, and as an Access point the linksys is
the best I've seen so far. The lucent/(now Agere) wireless cards
are really nice too, and they have linux/BSD as well as windows
drivers. -ERic
\_ I also have one of the linksys PCMCIA cards. Not as nice as
the agere/lucent one, and no option for a range extender antenna,
which is kinda annoying. And yeah, the linksys card sucks
for reception. I find it odd that most of the complaints on
the amazon reviews of the ACCESS POINT were actually complaints
about an entirely different product, the wireless cards. -ERic
\_ Thanks for the info. I am aware of the security issues with WEP,
but imho having an internet-connected computer exposes you to
a comparable (if not greater) risk. I am interested in hands-on
experience people have with different hardware. Linksys box
has mixed reviews on Amazon, and I've seen postings to lists
about protocol conformance issues (might be fixed in recent
releases.) Has anyone tried SMC? NetGear? Lucent is nice,
but it's also more expensive.
\_ I've tried the addtron AP. Works fine without WEP, could
not get its encryption to work with anything else. The
lucent AP is damn nice, but really pricey. I wouldn't
recommend it for home use, unless you have money to burn. -ERic
\_ I have a SMC Barricade wireless access point with the extra 3
ports. The documentation that comes with the product is spotty,
and I had to download new firmware as soon as I got the box. But
it's been fairly trouble-free otherwise. DHCP, PPPoE supported
in-box with (very) limited control over the DHCP.
I have a Mac with an Airport card and a PC with a Lucent WaveLAN
gold on the network. Unfortunately, the Airport only
supports 40-bit WEP, the WaveLAN only supports 64-bit or 128-bit,
and I believe the SMC only supports 64-bit, so I don't run WEP
but rather ssh for all my non-web browsing activity.
\_ I wanted WEP just to keep the idiots from piggy backing on my
net. Running without WEP and trusting ssh to keep your data
secure doesn't help against parasitic denial-of-service when
someone hooks up their computer to do WAREZ through your wireless
link. |
| 2001/8/5-6 [Computer/Networking] UID:22011 Activity:very high |
8/5 I've just setup a new firewall at home and I'm looking for a
tool to test it out. Any recommendations?
I'm also running a caching DNS server on the firewall and I'd
like to setup a rule that allows the server to make queries
and recieve responses but that blocks inbound queries. I can't
seem to figure out how to do this though as my ipf fu is weak.
Any suggestions? Thanks.
\_ you want it so that you can run internal dns, but not have
external machines able to query your internal dns? Can you
run 2 nameservers on your network then?
\_ Not necessary to run 2 nameservers, that's overkill. BIND
has a directive which allows you to specify which servers
are allowed to query it. I'll double-check and get back to
you.
\_ somewhat obviously, the option you want is 'allow-query'.
\_ This does not seem to be a supported BIND4 directive.
Do you know if there is an equivalent?
\_ No, there is no equivalent.
\_ The caching nameserver handles the nameservice queries for
the internal nat'ed network. The dns for the public systems
in the dmz are hanled by my isp.
In BIND8 you can tell it to bind() and listen() for connections
on selected ip's on the system system, but I'm stuck running
BIND4 which doesn't support this feature. Thus I'm trying to
figure out a ipf rule that will allow me to run caching dns
while preventing '1337 h4x0r5 from trying to exploit the
nameserver.
\_ Why are you running BIND4? There's no good reason to.
\_ Okay stuck was a bad choice of words. BIND4 for OpenBSD
has been audited while BIND8 has not. I just wanted that
extra level of protection and I wanted to avoid having
to install /usr/ports on the firewall in order to build
BIND8. Anyway it looks like I'm just going to have to
install BIND8. Thanks.
\_ Okay, let me get this straight. You're running BIND
on your firewall box. Are you INSANE?!? If you
care about having a secure nameserver, don't run
BIND. Run djbdns (Dan Bernstein's uber-paranoid
DNS server).
\_ OpenBSD BIND4 is audited. Its not the same as
stock BIND4 or BIND8. I thought about djbdns.
There are problems with the way that it does
recursive queries that break my webcache so
I can't use it.
As far as the firewall is concerned if udp 53
is open on my internal ip but closed on my
external ip, external attacks cannot exploit
any weaknesses in BIND. This is the level of
security I'm looking for. (I case this box is
hacked, I've got another with a similar image
ready to go, I can just power than one on and
switch over while the regular machine is being
reimaged from known safe media)
\_ you could try ShieldsUp! at http://grc.com
\_ The guy who runs this site is a freak! I don't know
about the quality of his programs, but I would not
want to support him.
\_ why not? sure, his site looks unprofessional, but you have to
respect someone who codes win32 apps in asm. his denial of
service story is good reading too.
\_ go to http://www.dslreports.com click on tools then port scan.
\_ Thanks, I'll try this out.
\_ May I reccomend nmapping your site from outside?
\_ I've performed a TCP connect(), SYN, FIN, Xmas, NULL, and
a UDP port scan. The only open port that was detected was
tcp 22 (SSH) and udp 53 so most of my rules appear to be
working. The bits I want to test are filter input and output
packets with invalid source and destination addresses. I'm
a nmap novice and can figure out how to do this. I suppose
I could just write a raw packet generator, but someone must
have already wrote one so I'm looking for recommendations.
Thanks. |
| 2001/8/5 [Computer/Networking] UID:22009 Activity:high |
8/4 If I have ADSL service from a company other than PacBell would it
be possible to disconnect the phone service without loosing DSL?
\_ it should be, but you can bet that there will be lots of
trouble with the line in the future. Techs like to 're-use' pairs
that dont have 'dial tone' on them. They can't check for DSL,
so your line will very likely get inadvertantly cut.
\_ but if this was true then there would be lots of SDSL-using folks
unhappy about it. Remeber that SDSL does requires a dedicated
phone line running to telco's CO. |
| 2001/7/27-28 [Computer/Networking] UID:21971 Activity:high |
7/27 If I setup a FreeBSD 4.* box as a DHCP client how will it know what
ip address to assign to itself? Will it somehow magically update
/etc/hosts as needed, or does it use DNS somehow?
\_ Point your browser at 192.168.1.1 and configure it. Then
use sysinstall to configure BSD for DHCP.
\_ And how will /etc/hosts get updated when DHCP server
gives my machine a different IP on boot?
\_ Install WinME/XP/2000/98
\_ Your DHCP _server_ will assign the IP. This server is probably
your own nat box or your ISP. It doesn't update /etc/hosts, but
to you might try going through /etc/rc.network and grepping for
"dhcp" and/or "ifconfig" to see how what happens to the IP after
it is assigned.
\_ Depending on how the DHCP server, as well as dhclient (or whatever
other DHCP client you're using) are configured, you can also
ask for a whole lot of other configuration (nameservers and things
like that.) It's even possible in certain cases to tell the
DHCP server what values you will be assigned. -John
\_ Original poster here. My DHCP server is my linksys
router/firewall. What should I do in this case?
\_ return it and get a real one like the SMC or the Netgear
linksys sucks. read http://www.practicallynetworked.com
\_ whatever. mine always worked fine.
\_ Point your browser at 192.168.1.1 and configure it. Then
use sysinstall to configure BSD for DHCP.
\_ @Home doesn't support Linksys. Unplug the router, wait five
minutes, then plug it in again. |
| 2001/7/25 [Computer/Networking] UID:21947 Activity:nil |
7/25 read an article about some company up there which has developed
an method to transfer high bandwidth using phone line- Actelis
"Actelis overcame a longstanding problem of cross-talk, the
interference caused by transmitting such vast amounts of data
over copper wire with low capacity - interference that leads to
high error rates in the data. "We get around this using spatial
division multiplexing," says CEO Yuval Baron, explaining that the
company has developed an algorithm that allows for error
correction, letting high amounts of traffic to pass over copper
wires without a problem."
I was under the impression that the encoding wasn't the problem-
it was the power required. The FCC has an upped limit on the
amount of power which can be trasmitted over the phone lines- And
from what I know Higher bandwidth means you need higher signal /
noise means higher power going through the lines. This is the
limiting factor involved with 56K modem how they such as the FCC
doesn't let them go higher. They let the phone companies get away
with DSL as those go through different switches- so what am I
missing here? How sure how this company can make money in the
long run given FCC regs, competition with DSL, compeition with
cable, and Long haul capacity underutilized.
thoughts comments....
\_ Hey, this was the first one that wasn't drivel.
\_ no, it's still drivel. if someone else had posted a link to the
story and made some coherent comments it might not have been.
\_ wasn't the post signed by psb? and yes, it was total drivel
and completely random question that didn't follow from
the story.
\_ i'm gonna keep putting drivel in motd.kinney even if it might
be fake kinney. making fake drivel is pretty lame anyway so
i'm gonna hope no one bothers.
\_ Did we read the same post? The one I read was a question
about transmission limits imposed on communications equip.
by the FCC as it related to a new technology. It seems to
be a non-drivel question. |
| 2001/7/24-25 [Computer/Networking] UID:21939 Activity:nil |
7/24 What is something useful to do with 1 or 2 metricom modems?
the old style. no i don't have service anymore.
\_ modem throwing?
\_ .25mile+ range on point to point links.
\_ http://ns.uoregon.edu/~jremy/strip.html
\_ how do i do that? got a url?
\_ SLIP?
\_ You could sell it on EBay. |
| 2001/7/23 [Computer/Networking] UID:21911 Activity:nil |
7/23 Looks like I'm stuck with either EarthLink or PacBell for
DSL. Just how bad is PacBell? (I'm thinking about getting
the business 128/1.5 line).
\_ getting it installed usually sucks. the service is fine once
it's installed. -tom
\_ Do you know what the "modem" that the mention on their
web page is? Is it a efficient networks bridge or is
it some stupid intel PCI card?
\_ They gave me an Alcatel 1000 ADSL router, ethernet-connected.
That was maybe two years ago though. -tom
\_ i got an efficient networks speedstream from earthlink
last october. i'm in the mission, and service is down a few
hours every couple weeks. btw, rates raised to $50/month from
$40 w/o warning last month. -vann |
| 2001/7/20 [Computer/Networking] UID:21871 Activity:nil |
6/26 Finally i read something which had some REASON and showed the
writer has actually looked at the economy and not just the
numbers
"The simple truth is that many businesses don't see any need to
buy new equipment until the earnings forecast improves. No amount
of Fed easing can induce a business to buy computers,
fiber-optics, semiconductors or routers it can't use
productively.
"The unwinding of excess inventory and the hangover from the
investment boom are impervious to short rates," said Ian
Shepherdson, chief U.S. economist at High Frequency Economics."
Now if only something like this would get the exposure it
requires and people come to realize that the manufacturing
activity we had the last 2 years aint coming back. Remember the
real estate boom 87-89. baloon broke and didn't come back until
around like 96-97. We are in a similar situation right now with
manufacturing. But all you need to do it ride up to the the
mountain behind berkeley- I can't believe I forgot its name- and
look out at the city- the streets and markets the cars and see
how we (humans) are just leaches sucking everything from
somewhere else. The whole purpose of a city - the layout , the
homes, the streets, utility lines, it to bring consumption to the
consumers. I remember when I first saw it- on a bike ride with
whsv, and you begin to believe just how powerful the
consumption distrbuters are. You think everyone of those houses
has a computer running windows, each one has an internet
conenction, they all have cable, they all have to go to store,
they all need to do to school ( yes school is a form of
consumption - at least in my definition and considering it is my
PhD thesis it better be right- people are basing everything off
of human capital and i want to get in as the contrarian before
they all start to realize they were all wrong- but it should be
based off consumption- human capital requires consumption as a
basis building block- Investment is slightly different as it is
based solely on savings- if you consume now you can't invest
direct trade off- ah my mind is beginning to work again-
all the economists modelled "learning" as an investment-this
correctly forecast the past 3 years of expansion- but it can't
model the abrupt slowdown. If we look at consomption we get a
better picture of the world- and note interesting enough I have
flipped the tables a little- this defines elderly and the yound
as pure consumers which are "bad" as they can't invest anything
blah blah blah-
my golf practice got rained out....... and I aint got nothing
better to do. sorry for the words.
\_ Is something wrong with kinney? Someone have lunch with him
and be his friend, please. |
| 2001/7/19-20 [Computer/Networking, Computer/SW/Security] UID:21867 Activity:high |
7/19 I want to host a basic website running on my home computer. Any
recs on a DSL provider that will let me have my own domain, whose
service doesn't suck, and is under $100/mo?
\_ First world has a 192K/1.5M line for $69/mo. The line comes
\_ Firstworld has a 192K/1.5M line for $69/mo. The line comes
with two static IPs and they don't care what domain name you
register for those IPs.
Alternatively you could try sprintbroadband (wireless). The
"line" is 256K/2M for $49/mo and comes with one static IP.
You need line of site to Monument Peak though.
\_ Hey genius, Firstworld is dumping their DSL customers on
Earthlink with no guarantees as of August 31st, so...
\_ Where did you read this? I can't seem to find it on
their web page, but if its true, I need to switch my
line soon.
\_ http://Speakeasy.net |
| 2001/7/17 [Computer/Networking] UID:21820 Activity:very high |
7/16 ranga-- impressive resume. How did you go from a material sci
geek to a computer geek? #1 ranga fan
\_ he was basically studying two majors as the same time.
He is almost a legend of our school year. -- swings
\_ His reputation among H07 4ZN CH1X was no less
astounding.
\_ In the words of Feynman: 'Have you got the right
fella?' ----ranga
\_ I've been a computer geek most of my life (at least since
the day my dad brought home a TI 99/4A from kmart). Most
of my family has degrees in ME or MSE and I just went into
that without really thinking about it too much. (I probably
couldn't have got into EECS anyway).
There are bits of MSE that are interesting (the physics more
so than the engineering) but it is hard to find a MSE job
that pays a decent wage. Thus I became a coder. I was very
lucky to end up at cisco, etc. ----ranga
\_ you should have attended Nick Weaver's talk on not going
into CS for the money! -tom
\_ I didn't go into CS for making big bucks on IPOs,
options etc. I went into CS because it was the only
job I could get (cira 96) that paid a reasonable wage
and had decent working conditions. |
| 2001/7/17 [Computer/Networking] UID:21816 Activity:nil |
7/16 The administrators of domain http://foobar.com refuse to ad an MX record for it, citing RFC 974 and claiming that ISPs should default to the web IP when sending to http://foobar.com. People trying to send to @foobar.com get their mails bounced because of lack of MX. ISP admins say "sorry, no MX, no mail". Neither side will reconfigure. Who's right? \_ http://foobar.com is right. ISP admins should take their heads out of their respective asses and read said RFC. \_ I've had "MSCE"s tell me the same bullshit about machines at Cal. They're full of shit. If there's no MX record you deliver to the A. -tom \_ Is it really the *web* IP?! \_ Alright, http://foobar.com is right modulo the incorrect term "web IP", probably due to the motd poster, not http://foobar.com itself, and clearly meant to refer to the A record. -- original responder |
| 2001/7/16 [Computer/Networking] UID:21814 Activity:nil |
7/16 Can you connect 2 dsl modems to one DSL line?
\_ No. Some DSL modems have dual hardware in them, so you can plug
two lines (usually IDSL) into one modem to bond them for double
bandwidth, but you cannot plug two DSL "modems" into one line.
\_ why are we letting stupid gamers into the CSUA, who ask such
stupid questions?
\_ what? actually, the answer is "yes."
\_ Why would you want to? --dim
\_ i was just saying you can physically connect them...ha ha groan |
| 2001/7/15-16 [Computer/Networking] UID:21804 Activity:insanely high |
7/14 I just learned that our tech writer makes $110K a year, is
my company stupid or do tech writers really deserve that much?
\_ who hired it? is it sleeping with a VP?
\_ is it h07 4zn ch1x?
\_ is (s)he actually any good?
\_ esp. in bed?
\_ is someone feeling a little jealous?
\_ Go and find out how much the sales guys/gals make. The good
can make 2x-4x what mid-level engineers make.
\_ Sales is a little different, its base + commission.
Usually base is quite low.
\_ Spoken like someone who has been told this but never seen
actual figures. What's "low base" to a sales person is often
\_ at cisco the base was 55K to 65K - cisco alum
"quite high" to an engineer. Salespeople are EXPENSIVE. AND
they frequently suck ass.
\_ at cisco the base was 55K to 65K. Engineers
made about 75K to 100K + bonus (10-80% of
salary depending on grade and performance).
Sales didn't get the same sort of bonus.
- cisco alum
\_ Of course, ass suckage is not limited to sales people.
\_ Sun offered a coworker $110K + commission to do technical
sales. I know someone at Cisco who is entry-level (to
tech - he sold other stuff before then) who was offered
$80K + commission + $20K signing bonus. The good salesmen
make over $200K and sometimes $300K. They also have a
clear path of advancement. --dim
\_ I overhear people at work "yeah, but when he was signed
on he was here for the commission; they were paying him
some crappy salary like $75k" I sighed.
\_ This seems a little high. At cisco the doc writers used to
make about half of that. - cisco alum
\_ It seems a bit high, but not by much, from what I've seen. --chris
\_ You company is stupid. Good companies do not pay the
people who write the manuals more than the people who
write the software. |
| 2001/7/13 [Computer/Networking, Computer/HW/Drives] UID:21790 Activity:high |
7/13 I have an offer from a company that does SCSI over fibre channel.
I'm curious about the viability of this market.
Who are the key players in this market?
What competing technologies are there, and what are the relative
advantages?
\_ http://www.byteandswitch.com is a good SAN info site. SCSI over
fibre channel is the FCP protocol; it's the dominant protocol for
connecting storage devices on SANs. iSCSI is an emerging competitor.
Brocade and EMC are big Fibre Channel players. Cisco and some
startups are moving into IP storage. There is a lot of activity in
the industry. Saying you "do" FCP is pretty vague. The downturn has
companies cutting back on IT spending but it's considered a growth
area.
area. Data explosion and all that. |
| 2001/7/12-13 [Computer/Networking] UID:21786 Activity:high |
7/12 What are the cheaper/better dialup services around? Price?
\_ I guess people don't use dialup anymore?
\_ What happened to http://autobahn.org? I tried to sign up but they
wouldn't let me.
\_ I have a couple questions pertaining to this:
1. who's a reliable free isp for macs? are there any left?
2. I'm thinking of canceling my earthlink dsl on the 16th
(my six month contract is already up, so it's no longer
a $35 split every month anymore). I would like to
get cable but alas, it ain't available in Cupertino.
I don't want to give in to these $50 dsl assholes,
but if I have to, who's the best alternative right now?
3. What about that sprint wireless dsl or whatever that
is?
4. what IS the cheapest dialup deal? Like ranga was saying,
dialup should be FREE. I would even hazard to say
that broadband should be free, or at least available
cheaply. I mean, if I was actually renting
an apartment I would be completely fucked paying
my cell phone bill, my dsl bill, on top of everything
else.
\_ Trolling should be free (and usually is).
\_ Fry's offers unlimited dial-up service for $10/mo, but,
alas, it's Fry's...
\_ You must be a Communist.
\_ http://www.vei.net offers dial-up service for $10.95/month. You can roam,
too. I've had fairly good luck with them. They use standard ppp
so you can use *nix or whatever OS you want.
\_ says 12.95 on their site + 5.00 setup fee. Anything else? |
| 2001/7/3 [Computer/Networking, Computer/SW/Security] UID:21706 Activity:nil |
7/3 Metricom has declared bankruptcy:
http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1004-200-6442868.html?tag=tp_pr |
| 2001/6/25-26 [Computer/Networking] UID:21622 Activity:nil |
6/28 I am interested in writing some applications for J2ME/CDC,CLDC,MIDP, what
kind of celluar phone/mobile equipment should I buy?
\_ http://www.bandai-net.com/english/imode-e.html
\_ Well, Motorola has been claiming their Java-enabled phones are only
six months away for the last 24 months.
\_ How about a Palm with an Omniski? Not a phone but a CLDC/MIDP
platform nonetheless. A Handspring with an 802.11 SpringPort card
also works. |
| 2001/6/25-26 [Computer/Networking] UID:21616 Activity:nil |
6/25 I'm considering switching from DSL to Sprint Broadband (wireless).
Does anyone have Sprint Broadband? If so, how is the service? Thanks. |
| 2001/6/25 [Computer/Networking] UID:21615 Activity:nil |
6/24 D00D!!!1! WHUT HAPP3N3D 2 SLASHD0T???/?? D1D TH31R 3L33T BAND UV
LUN1X HAXORS END UP G3TT1NG 0WN3D BY S0M30N3 ELS3????/?? HA HA!!!1!
\_ what the fuck are you talking about?
\_ /. had been down for the past two days.
\_ Um, dude, their router (brought to you by the good folks at
Cisco) died. Linux had nothing to do with it. |
| 2001/6/17-18 [Computer/Networking, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:21551 Activity:kinda low |
6/17 Any BGP gurus who can help me with a problem? I'm trying to set up
a unix box speaking BGP4 with a router (A) on one side, and OSPF with
a router (B) hanging off another interface. If both routers A & B
have different /24 segments of the same B-class hanging off other
interfaces, I am able to distribute the whole aggregated B-class
(/16 network) from A to the unix box, and from there to router B,
and I can see router B's /24s on the unix box, but cannot re-
distribute those particular /24s to router A via BGP. This is a
Solaris box running gated, which is able to handle & redistribute all
other BGP or OSPF-learned routes I throw at it. Is BGP not able
to redistribute a subnet in direction -> if it's learned the
aggregated range this subnet is part of from <- ? I'm a bit lost,
since I can't find any docs on this particular behavior. -John
\_ I'm not too familiar with BGP, but you should probably ask
this question on the nanog mailing list. ----ranga
this question on the nanog mailing list rather than on the
motd. ----ranga |
| 2001/6/17-18 [Computer/Networking, Computer/Domains, Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:21550 Activity:high |
6/17 "By linking a grading system with computers that process subsidized
lunches, for example, educators could tell whether poorer students
perform better with certain teachers."
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/business/AP-Smart-Data.html
\_ huh! computers can do that??
\_ Oh, yeah. They even have computers on the Internet now.
\_ I heard that the Internet Superhighway had gotten jammed up
from too many computers on it, but I never see any computers
on the highway.
\_ Internet, eh?
Maude, eh?
\_ I'm from Canada and they say I'm slow, eh.
\_ Who was that Maud person, anyway?
\_ NetHack fans unite! Who plays here? |
| 2001/6/14-15 [Computer/Networking] UID:21511 Activity:high |
6/13 Does the open source business model work?
\_ open source is NOT a business model dammit! There are a variety
of business models that can incorporate open source, and some of
them work and some of them don't.
\_ have you seen an "open source" company that had reported healthy
and steady profits so far?
\_ if "open source" == "linux" then at least one company managed
to get the model to work (hint they were acquired by sun)
\_ it almost seems like the way to make open source work is to
be bought out by another company. Another company I know
was bought out by Cisco.
\_ What company hasn't been bought out by Cisco?
\_ Cisco's acquisition rate was about 1 company every
two months from 1998-2000. Cisco passed on most
companies and mostly only purchased winners, linux
was not a winner in cisco's eyes. - cisco alum
\_ You talk about Cisco as if it was a good thing.
\_ Cisco is a great company with good engineering
and great management and sales. The corporate
culture was excellent as was the compensation
package. I would say that Cisco was probably
one of the best companies to work for and I
wouldn't mind returning in the future (once
my options vest at my current company).
\_ Cobalt is a hardware company. Yes, Linux hardware companies
will manage to make some money. What about the software
companies? Promisses, promisses ..
\_ Not all linux hardware companies make that much money.
Most of cobalt's competition (also linux based) went
under or are struggling (va & neteng). In any case
sans sun, cobalt would probably be in the same boat
as va or neteng, perhaps even worse.
\_ Cygnus was around a reasonably long time weren't they? Oh wait,
nevermind...
\_ It works for hardware companies (Sun, SGI, IBM, Cobalt, etc.)
with decent products - saves them on software development costs.
\_ Sun and SGI have decent products?
\_ Sun has decent products. The entire netra line
and the enterpise line (450 and upto E10K) are
very good and much cheaper (inital investment
and lifetime cost), much more so than the equivalent
from HP, IBM and Compaq. SGI used to be good,
but all they've got now is BlueMountain.
\_ SGI still makes decent products. They've been
a disaster, financially because they didn't
have a catchy slogan like "We're the Dot in
dot com" crap. That, and they flirted with NT
and Cray for a while
\_ NT was a disaster, but now they are peddling
Linux which is agruably worse for a niche
vendor like SGI. SGI also has problems in the
high end, since most of the clustering and
massively parallel technology came with the
cray acquisition which was subsequently sold
to sun. SGI was floundering as early as 96
and thier failure had little to do with
Sun's marketing and much more to do with a
unreliable os (irix has thousands of patches
and is a headache to maintain and develop
software for), properitary expensive hardware
and a weak/non-existant enterprise story.
Unlike apple, whose price points are low
enough for customers making up for a weak
enterprise story, SGI's prices were way too
high for most individuals and even most
companies, forcing them into the niche
of ultra high end graphics and scientific
computing, both of which are not long term
growth industries from a revenue standpoint.
\_ No shit. SGI isn't in the consumer market.
Of course it's too expensive for most
individuals, the same way a 747 is too
expensive for most individuals for Boeing
to sell to.
\_ You missed the point. Boeing is a
market leader in an industry of 1.
SGI is a market trailer in an industry
of several giants and they don't have
price or technology advantages in
order to grow.
\_ SGI's main problem is being king of a market
that shouldn't exist: large-scale numa SHM.
\_ sun has not "opensourced" their software in any way that
is saving them money.
It would save them more money if they kept all the
internals secret, but actually released APIs for the
currently black-box areas. |
| 2001/6/12-13 [Computer/Domains, Computer/Networking, Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:21495 Activity:high |
6/12 I hear China censors some internet messages and internet sites.
Do they have a large staff doing this? What are good ways to
circumvent this? How effective are the censors?
\_ subliminal channels, one-time pads or possibly pepto-bismol
\_ They can block the big sites like http://cnn.com, but the little
ones are more difficult and require a large stuff to monitor.
ones are more difficult and require a large staff to monitor.
You too can be a Communist Censor for Stability.
\_ do they block packages like this:
http://lolitateen.mylovething.com/teen112.jpg
\_ I odrered one of these too, but UPS delivered mine all busted... |
| 2001/6/12-7/20 [Computer/Networking, Consumer/Audio] UID:21494 Activity:high |
6/12 How about wireless MP3 players........ you pay $10/mn for a
"keychain" wireless service which connects you to your "personal"
Mp3 archive. I read an article about apple and how they should
make the attached product. But who want video???? I want music
and portable access to MY music. YOu could probably sell these
things like hotcakes? You don't need to worry about big clunky
devices such as palm and ipaq, external HD's, just build a form
follows function device fit for playing MP3's by connecting to
remote device using wireless. For christ sake you could plug
into metrocoms network or something. ATT has supposedly also
build out a very nice "personal" wireless service. - kinney
\_ Why not just treat it as a wireless accessible personal
file server / data storage. If the files are mp3 files,
so be it.
\_ You missed a crucial caviat. Connect to Personal network. In
effect what you are saying is your computer up in Berkeley with
YOur MP3 collection can not be used by YOU. That is bogus and
they can't do anything. That is like saying MP3 is illegal. Now
if all of a sudden 10,000 people are hitting your computer that
is different. So What might be required is documentation saying
what MP3's you have and who owns them- That is straight forward
and can simply be solved by MASSIVE HD space. Each person would
need their OWN directory- that way they can only listen to THEIR
COLLECTION which is legal-- How the person obtains their own
collection is their own business. Thus the connection device will
come with its own personal remote secure folder using some the
dirt cheap co-location space available.
The key player will only be able to access that one directory.
RIght now there is going to be a huge shift to remote storage of
MP3's. My solution fits the market exactly and tied with a
wireless portable play you can't lose. And to the best of my
knowledge it is legal as there is NO SHARING.
Of course the sharing may be implied- "how did the user amass
that 20gig collection?" but again that isn't my concern- answer
"No idea. Go ask the user?" But then that answer does protect
the users. So a better answer is- "Here is the schematic of the
network- By design we are legal and since this is a private
personal network no one- Not even me- has the rights to know what
MP3's the user has?
\_ That idea is DOA. RIAA will want their cut of the
action and will insure any players will first pay
their dues through them. http://mp3.com was already
proposing the idea, I believe, or something similar
and look what happened to them. My co-workers have
been talking about general file servers connected to
high bandwidth lines so that they can work from
anyplace. I think you have to provide privacy
protection licensing in order to at the very least
fend off copyright infringement laws in these cases.
But as far as a company running it, forget it. Forget
the hardware as well because the RIAA will go after
them as well unless they strike a deal with them. - keithyw
\_ Why not just treat it as a wireless accessible personal
file server / data storage. If the files are mp3 files,
so be it.
\_ You missed a crucial caviat. Connect to Personal network. In
effect what you are saying is your computer up in Berkeley with
YOur MP3 collection can not be used by YOU. That is bogus and
they can't do anything. That is like saying MP3 is illegal. Now
if all of a sudden 10,000 people are hitting your computer that
is different. So What might be required is documentation saying
what MP3's you have and who owns them- That is straight forward
and can simply be solved by MASSIVE HD space. Each person would
need their OWN directory- that way they can only listen to THEIR
COLLECTION which is legal-- How the person obtains their own
collection is their own business. Thus the connection device will
come with its own personal remote secure folder using some the
dirt cheap co-location space available.
The key player will only be able to access that one directory.
RIght now there is going to be a huge shift to remote storage of
MP3's. My solution fits the market exactly and tied with a
wireless portable play you can't lose. And to the best of my
knowledge it is legal as there is NO SHARING.
Of course the sharing may be implied- "how did the user amass
that 20gig collection?" but again that isn't my concern- answer
"No idea. Go ask the user?" But then that answer does protect
the users. So a better answer is- "Here is the schematic of the
network- By design we are legal and since this is a private
personal network no one- Not even me- has the rights to know what
MP3's the user has?
\_ That's what Aimster claims as well even though they
are a "sharing software." Look at what has happened
to them
\_ The RIAA will have something to say about that because you can
still distribute it across computers.
\_ That is like saying MP3 is illegal.
\_ In Taiwan they passed a law that treated (illegal)
.mp3s distrbuted through university networks like
"dangerous substances such as drugs."
\_ this is why capitalism sucks.
\_ no, this is why taiwan sucks. |
| 2001/6/12-13 [Computer/Networking] UID:21491 Activity:moderate |
6/12 telocity sucks, i just got it hooked up, max is 400kB/s download
\_ B as in Bytes or B as in bits. Bytes would be pretty good.
\_ Either is hardly horrible for DSL...
\_ Dude, I have IDSL from them, shut up.
\_ I have a 1500/128k ADSL connection from Telocity (or should I say
Direct TV DSL now?). Using the badnwidth tester at http://dslreports.com,
I get about 1250down, 120Kbps up which I think is ok. May be the
site on the other end is just too slow? -akopps
\_ lucky you still signed up with telocity. I had teloctiy, and after
north point went down, they never switched me over to any last mile
provider, just simply said they can't service my area anymore. Funny
thing is that they said a week later, they've partnered up with pac-
bell, and there's a PB CO 3 Kilometer away from my place. And they
kept trying to sell me DirectTV's Satellite broadband. |
| 2001/6/6-7 [Science/Space, Computer/Networking] UID:21441 Activity:nil |
5/6 Anyone interested in bike commuting from Fremont (Mission
Blvd) to Santa Clara/NorthSJ/Milpitas (across 880)? --jeffwong
\_ no, but I'll drive next to you. "You can be my wingman anytime"
- Iceman.
\_ A friend of mine used to do that when he lived there. It took him
around an hour or so I believe. I don't think I could take the heat.
\_ Why not take a bus instead? E.g. Santa Clara VTA 140 / 141 /
180 / 520, or AC Transit 217 like jeffwong suggested.
\_ tired of your horrorscope? http://www.trygve.com/nerdsigns.html
\_ I have no idea how this applies to bike commuting, but, hey,
with a sign like Quake, the Video Game, who am I to argue? |
| 2001/5/25-27 [Computer/Networking] UID:21364 Activity:very high |
5/25 My professor lives on a hilltop that doesn't get DSL or cable modem.
Someone's recommended Hughes DirecPC satellite broadband for him.
Anyone have any experience with this? Thanks.
\ a better deal may be starband. see http://www.starband.com DirecPC is
modem one way (suck). Satellite latency may be annoying though.
\_ DirecPC says it's one-way through AOL, but Earthlink and Pegasus
are two-way. I'm not really sure about this whole satellite
business.
\_ Yes, it started one-way, but now it is two-way. --dim
\_ Don't use starband! Their service is awful. I signed up in January,
and the service only worked for a couple hours each day.
latency is terrible, simple shell interaction drives you nuts.
I had to switch to DSL. Customer service is also pathetic. -gosha
\_ try sprint broadband wireless. ask nevman
\_ have heard good things about this... don't know specifics, sorry.
I do know that DirecPC really sucks... the satellite latency is
a huge pain. - rory
\_ Can't your prof do his own high speed research? Why are you putting
your ass kissing post on here? Grad students....
\ a better deal may be starband. see http://www.starband.com DirecPC is
modem one way (suck). Satellite latency may be annoying though.
\_ DirecPC says it's one-way through AOL, but Earthlink and Pegasus
are two-way. I'm not really sure about this whole satellite
business.
\_ Yes, it started one-way, but now it is two-way. --dim
\_ Don't use starband! Their service is awful. I signed up in January,
and the service only worked for a couple hours each day.
latency is terrible, simple shell interaction drives you nuts.
I had to switch to DSL. Customer service is also pathetic. -gosha
\_ try sprint broadband wireless. ask nevman
\_ have heard good things about this... don't know specifics, sorry.
I do know that DirecPC really sucks... the satellite latency is
a huge pain. - rory
\_ If he can see the Berkeley hills, try http://transbay.net's wireless
service. 1.5mbit symmetric, I think. And it's cheaper than
comparable SDSL. |
| 2001/5/21 [Computer/Networking] UID:21315 Activity:nil |
5/21 Anyone know if they are going to make it home on wednesday?
\_ What the hell does this mean? Does _this_ have anything to do
with cable modem?
\_ _this_ doesn't work with cable modem. |
| 2001/5/16-17 [Computer/Networking, Computer/SW/Security] UID:21289 Activity:moderate |
5/15 http://edge.mcs.drexel.edu/GICL/people/sevy/airport/128bit.html (How to get 128-bit encryption from your Airport base station) \_ too bad you cant get 128bit from the builtin airport interface on their laptops. --jon \_ Rumor has it that 802.11b (including AirPort) are going to 54mbps w/128bit encryption in the coming months. Also, above url states AirPort has 64bit encryption, which is wrong, it's 40bit, which everyone knows you can pretty much break on the fly with your laptop and a little reciever. \_ 802.11b will never be 54 MBit. 802.11a will be. Its scheduled to be released in the fall/winter of this year. Most people say that you will probably need a new Airport card, but that you can probably upgrade your base station. \_ Uh, wtf is the point? The Gold and Silver levels of 802.11b encryption have both been cracked. Run IPsec with however many bits you want... \_ Its not "encryption" is Wireless Equivalent Privacy. The protection it provides is the same as what cat5 cable provides. No more, no less. |
| 2001/5/15-16 [Computer/Networking] UID:21280 Activity:high |
5/15 http://www.theonion.com/onion3717/porn_stars_demand.html \_ She looks much better in "Private Parts" or in http://csua/~tpc/grrls/08jenna.jpg \_ users who went csua porn surfing in tpc's directory: aau abe \_ My name was listed _before_ I started porn surfing. -abe \_ Maybe it confused you with mjm. ctlam jowens marlon jsjacob kaplan maxmcc mjm peterm yuen \_ Well at least i know my roomate isn't gay. \_ Cable modem doesn't work with gays. \_ Real men simply cd to ~tpc/public_html/grrls to open the \_ Real men decode their porn by listening to 300 bps modem carrier \_ Real Men grow their own. -ausman \_ hey jim, wanna go make some porn? -aspo \_ Real men simply go to ~tpc/public_html/grrls to get the files, duh. \_ And you are ......? \_ Where is this information stored? Thx. \_ /var/log/httpd \_ How did you figure out the user names from the IP addrs in access.log? \_ Probably by matching IP address against shell login. \_ precisely why my ip address login to soda is a nice and consistent box that is !my home computer. \_ My name was listed before I saw the URL. \_ It could have been a coincidence, like your roommate using your computer with your IP to surf the web or if you were using some dynamic IP like HIP or the reshall DHCP and someone else swipped your IP. Or you could have been using a public terminal in one of the on-campus computer labs and someone else went CSUA porn surfin after you did. \_ And thus we see the problem with trying to make person <-> IP matching and other such schemes. It's that much worse that some clown posted it and half the list is wrong. \_ It's called plausible deniability. |
| 2001/5/11 [Computer/Networking] UID:21239 Activity:moderate |
5/10 Has anyone actually tried/heard of using Fry's (yes, Fry's electronic)
ISP service?
\_ No one has. They have no ISP customers. |
| 2001/5/10 [Computer/Networking] UID:21221 Activity:kinda low |
5/9 netstat -upl, run as root on a Linux box:
Active Internet connections (only servers)
Proto Local Address Foreign Address PID/Program name
udp *:32768 *:* -
udp *:799 *:* -
udp *:800 *:* -
udp *:sunrpc *:* 110/portmap
Is there any way of determining who is listening on 32768
and friends? I don't think I've been 0wn3d...?
\_ lsof -i :32768
\_ losf is probably trojaned, so is netstat. You will
never be able to track it down. Reinstall while you
still have a chance.
\_ Victim could build and copy in tools from somewhere else
but if Victim was really hacked, you're right. Reinstall
and do a better job securing the box next time.
\_ So, what, go OpenBSD?
\_ Or maybe just stop running random and useless services you
don't need or use that are known to come from a bad code
base like wu-ftpd.
\_ "lsof -V -i UDP:32768" produces:
lsof: Internet address not located: UDP:32768 |
| 2001/4/18 [Computer/Networking] UID:21019 Activity:very high |
4/19 Anyone know good firewall info ideally balancing maximum security with
minimum effort (ignoring cost and competence)?
\_ If you want a ready-made solution, you can pick up a sonicwall
for about $1000--they are fairly decent. For high security, I
would recommend OpenBSD with ipf--syntax is well documented and
straightforward. http://www.openbsd.org and for the ipf page,
(also known as ipfilter), http://coombs.anu.edu.au/ipfilter
Mail me if you want some tips. -John
\_ yeah. sure. is this a consulting job?
\_ yes, its called an 'airwall'. Complete internet security
accomplished with about 30 seconds worth of effort. Simply find
your router and unplug its internet connection. Where do I send
my consulting invoice?
\_ OpenBSD -> 30 min to 1 hr install, 30 min setup, 30 min testing.
firewall?
\_ and 4ever to make world. Linux + iptables is fine
\_ Yeah if you don't care about
BTW, D0 U KN0W WH1CH V3R510N 0F G11BC 1 N33D 2 RUN
K3RN31 2.4? I C4N7 F1ND TH3 R1GHT RPM on RH.C0M.
performance, security, stability
logging and working stateful
filtering.
RUNN1G K3RN31 2.4? I C4N7 F1ND TH3 R1GHT 1Z on RH.C0M.
BTW, What's the IP Addr of your
firewall? I could use an extra
machine for running setiathome.
\_ D00D U R 50 R1GH7! M4K3 W0R1D SUX! Y WOU1D U BU11D
UR B1N4R135 4ND 11BR4R145 WH3N U C4N U53 RPM5?!?
BTW, D0 U KN0W WH1CH V3R510N 0F G11BC 4ND LD 1 N33D 4
RUNN1G K3RN31 2.4? I C4N7 F1ND TH3 R1GHT 1Z 0N RH.C0M.
\_ So how come Mac and Windows users don't get shit for
not compiling every program they use and relying on
things like Install Shield or .sit and worrying whether
their registry settings get all f'ed up?
\_ D00D U U53 M$ LO53*?!? U N33D 2 UPGR4D3 2 4 R341
05! 1 C4N 1N57411 31337 R3D H47 GN00/L1NSUX 4 U!
N0 1 U535 M4C5. 17 15 4 S10W A55 T0Y 4 L17713
K1D5! 31337 H4X0R5 411 U53 DU41 C3L3 733'5 0C'3D
2 1 G1G! |
| 2001/4/15 [Computer/Companies/Apple, Computer/Networking, Computer/HW/Printer] UID:20985 Activity:nil |
4/14 Does there exist a converter allowing me to connect USB devices to
old Mac's with serial (modem/printer) ports?
\_ VST (and others) sell PCI cards which will give you USB and/or
FireWire ports on (for example) a beige G3. -tom |
| 2001/4/12 [Computer/Networking] UID:20952 Activity:nil |
4/12 Not exactly sure what 3G is, but it sounds like WAP would
be dead without it. And 3G is getting creamed by 802.11:
http://www.thestreet.com/_yahoo/comment/guestspeaker/1384538.html
\_ 3G is "third generation" wireless tech. Higher bandwidth, and
various other possible tech such as gps, better surfing, blah,
blah, insert useless feature here, blah. There's plenty of what
they call 2.5G stuff in Japan and Europe right now. I think
there's some actual 3G going on but not in wide use. In comparison,
the US is still mostly "2G". Installing new equipment over such a
large geographic area is a huge expense. No one is willing to do
that without a guaranteed return.
\_ Hi dans! How's adjectivity?
\_ Sorry, never heard of adjectivity. Is "dans" the only
person on the motd that would know about 3G? -!dans |
| 2001/4/12 [Computer/Networking] UID:20949 Activity:high |
4/12 anybody have experience with storage area networks? EMC boxes with
brocade switches? They're touted as ultra reliable. But just how
reliable is it compared to say a Sun server or a Cisco LAN switch.
Thanks.
\_ If you've got bucks and need SAN, buy EMC. The motd has spoken.
No one ever got fired buying based on motd advice.
\_ I don't think anyone needs SAN now that Gig Ethernet is here
and 10 Gig Ethernet is almost here. What's the point? --dim
\_ The point is that EMC is selling you more than a disk
with an ethernet card.
\_ There is so much new development in this market
that this statement could not have possibly been
an informed one. |
| 2001/4/11 [Computer/Domains, Computer/Networking, Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:20941 Activity:nil |
4/11 Ooh look! They have the internet on computers now. |
| 2001/3/21 [Computer/Networking] UID:20871 Activity:high |
3/21 Cisco must die!!!
\_ because? |
| 2001/3/21-22 [Computer/Networking] UID:20866 Activity:very high |
3/21 Recommendations for a good surge protector? I've already had one
network router get fried from a recent blackout and don't intend
to have any other computer components die on me.
\_ UPS? --dim
\_ um, ever heard of a $10 surge protector? DIMWIT.
\_ i don't think a 10 surge protector will protect you very much
\_ each surge protector has a certain rating on them. When you
buy them, take a look at the rating. Get the better rated
one (is it a rating in Joules?)
\_ You lost a $1000+ router and still haven't learned your lesson?
Get a UPS. Don't be cheap or stupid. $99.
\_ Who said it was $1000? Maybe I should've been more specific
(although it really doesn't matter in this discussion).
It was one of those $200 DSL sharing routers. And I had a $30
surge protector (as opposed to $10?) which didn't do a bit of
good. Ok, maybe a better question is: is there a brand of
surge protectors or UPS that people trust?
\_If it was a $30 surge protector, did it come with a guarentee
to protect at least a couple hundred dollars worth of equipment?
If it did (check with the manufacturer) then just put in a claim.
\_ surge protectors are useless. APC is the UPS brand. -tom
\ Exodus uses MGE
\_ APC also makes surge protectors. are those useless?
\_ Yes. UPS or nothing. Anything less than UPS is
just fooling yourself.
\_ Correct me if I am wrong. I believe that surge
protectors are good at preventing your equipment
from getting fried by lightning strikes, etc.
but for UPSs, in addtional to the above, it also
prevents data corruptions caused by these
frequent short duration (less than a second,
to a few seconds) power interruptions that
sometimes cause your computer to reboot.
\_ surge protectors are absolutely not good at
protecting your equipment from power
surges. They can be worse than plugging
into the wall. A UPS is a requirement, not
because of the battery backup, but because
the power circuit is isolated. -tom
\_ and APC surge protectors are no better
than the really cheap ones?
\_ No. Stop kidding yourself.
\_ I have one of those $50+
tripp lite surge protectors with
all-metal casing. Are those
any good?
\_ I don't think it was meant for lightning
strikes. surge protectors are to protect
you equipment in case there's a low resistance
path in your machine causing excessive current
flow. In which case, the surge protector will
cut off flow all together.
\_ No way in hell will your cheapo surge protector
stop a lightning strike. Read the disclaimers
that came with it. They don't claim lightning
protection. They claim surge protection.
\_What do you think a lightning strike is, dildo,
a big-ass-motherfucking surge.
\_ Moron, read the fucking disclaimers. They
make it clear enough for even a dipshit like
you to figure out that "big-ass-etc" surges
such as, oh say, *LIGHTNING* are _not_
covered. Idiot. Who taught you to live? |
| 2001/3/20-21 [Industry/Jobs, Computer/SW/Database, Computer/Networking] UID:20861 Activity:low |
3/20 Of all the dot coms and mega corporations, which one do you want
the most with a massive layoff?
M$: ..
Oracle: ...
Intel: .
Cisco: ..
\_ time to claim our scarce land and congested highways!!!
\_ Time to get rid of the worthless newbie Gam3rz and bs
java programmers and 3rd line managers and directors with
one direct report (personal admin).
In the good old days, we build the best routers and
switches in the market with the fastest interfaces and
the most protocol support. Every engineer could rebuild
a basic router from parts and configure at least one ip
routing protocol in IOS and simple VLANs in CatOS.
Now we have a bunch of idiots who can't tell the difference
between L2 and L3 and don't know the difference between
IOS and WinNT. They need to go, NOW! Forget the fact that
they should never have been hired in the first place.
The old cisco culture made us #1 and it is what will save
us.
- disgrunted Cisco oldtimer |
| 2001/3/20 [Computer/Networking] UID:20858 Activity:nil |
3/19 When's Cisco laying off its employees? I can't wait to see them on
http://fuckedcompany.com.
\_ Uhh... they're still profiting, unlike dotcummers. |
| 2001/3/19-20 [Computer/Networking] UID:20841 Activity:high |
3/18 Can we install nmap on soda?
\_ no. - paolo
\_ Can I install my own copy in my home directory?
I want to nmap my box at home to make sure that
all the ports are shutdown and that the strong
TCP sequence generation is really working. I'm
not an 3113T GN00/H4X0R who wants to G37 R007
\_ j00 m155p3113d "31337", m0|20n
\_ 500RY.
on someone's box.
The only reason that I'm asking about this is
that ever since we got a socks proxy at work,
I can't nmap my box, because nmap isn't "sockified"
and I haven't had enough time to "sockify" it.
\_ "runsocks nmap"
\_ ahahahaahah. you kill me. --aaron
\_ Yes, you are welcome to install nmap in your home directory.
\_ why don't you netstat -tuap? - paolo
\_ doesn't cover trojaned netstat binary. of course,
remote nmap isn't perfect either since an intruder can
filter backdoor traffic by source ip, but it's half
a step up. -alexf
\_ he didn't say anything about suspecting he was 0wned.
he's trying to audit the setup. talking about trojans
is useless; the only rational response to a breakin
is quarantine and reinstall. --aaron
\_ Yeah, I'm just trying to figure out if my ipf and
ipnat rules are blocking ports/icmp correctly.
Since I'm running ipnat, portmap shows up in the
local netstat and internal nmap results and I want
to be sure that portmap isn't available externally.
\_ Doh, why ask. Just compile it on your own. Whether we can also
use nmap on soda is another quetion ;p
\_ if you have to ask, you're too fucking stupid.
\_ Install whatever you like. Just remember the "I will not be a
hoser" bit in your membership form that you signed, or its informal
summary: "I will be squished for drawing the wrath of outside
agencies onto the CSUA" |
| 2001/3/18 [Computer/Networking] UID:20832 Activity:high |
3/17 linksys router, only allows port 80 to be forward.
none of the other ports are forwarding. (ie: i have 2
pcs that both connect when i use port 80, test both
pcs and both work but only port 80. anyone had problems
like this? thanks
\_ Uh... say what, huh? I'd help if you made sense. |
| 2001/2/27 [Computer/Networking] UID:20714 Activity:kinda low |
2/26 I want to buy a cable modem instead of renting AtHome's.
Recommendations?
\_ It's $5 a month. You'll never make the money back. I recommended
you rent. They'll change the standard long before you make up the
lost rent. And then when you lose net and call them they'll say,
"Sir, according to our records you're not using an @home rented
network device. We suggest you buy a new one or we can rent you
one for only $5/month plus a $75 install charge." As a modem
renter with a broken modem, they send out a truck in a few days
at no extra cost and refund you the lost net time. |
| 2001/2/27 [Computer/Networking] UID:20709 Activity:high |
2/26 router question: sharing static ip address, but pc's in lan have own
machine names and web servers. how does router know which machine a
url refers to if the url just has the ip address in it?
\_ What's running NAT? Is it a linux/windoze box or one of those
NAT hubs/switches/routers?
\_ pc 's and linksys router.
\_ Is the idea you want your web server accessible from
outside your LAN?
\_ yes but there are 2 computers w/ web servers, both need to be
accessible. The hope is that the router would disintiguish by
MAC address but the 2 machines would have the same ip.
\_ Let's say I request the web page
<DEAD>www.yermammy.com/foo/bar.html<DEAD>
Your browser will put the following in the HTTP request
header:
Host: <DEAD>www.yermammy.com<DEAD>
Now, I'm not sure if linksys routers do this, but the
way it would work is that the router would see the
packet is going to port 80, look for and interpret
the host field, look at a mapping of host field
settings to local IP addresses (which presumably you
have set), and finally direct the packet to the IP
address of the appropriate web server.
\_ how could the router tell which IP packet is destined for
which machine? Incoming IP packets aren't going to contain
MAC addresses. You'll need to have the web servers use
different ports.
\_ Yeah, this is the most straightforward way.
<DEAD>www.yeremammy.com<DEAD> (port 80)
<DEAD>www.yerbrother.com:81<DEAD>
and then port forward.
\_ unfortunately, the 2 "web servers" are actually DAQ board
cards that require an IP addresss but use the same port
(no way to change port) even if they have unique IP
addresses, the outside would still point to 1 ip
address/hostname and same port for both of them.
\_ web server 1: 192.168.0.1:80
web server 2: 192.168.0.2:80
port maps:
; router:80 -> 192.168.0.1:80
router:81 -> 192.168.0.2:80
\_ You've gotta stop posting useful info to the motd.
People will come to expect something better than
the typical trolling and then what? |
| 2001/2/26-27 [Computer/Networking] UID:20703 Activity:very high |
2/26 Is it possible to use ipfw in *BSD to let users do FTP gets but not
FTP puts? I'm being asked to let people get stuff from the internet
but not let them send anything out. If ipfw can't do it, how about a
commercial firewall like Cisco PIX or Checkpoint? Thanks.
\_ Checkpoint can't. I don't know about PIX, it might have
tcp payload inspection.
The easiest solution for you is to install a proxy or
to hack the ftp server so that PUT is not supported.
\_ I don't think so--the server initiates the data connection back
to you, unless you're using passive ftp, in which case both the
"administrative" and data connections run via port 20. As
far as the firewall is concerned, if you're permitting tcp
outgoing, packet is packet. All commercial firewalls I know
of are the same--they cannot distinguish what direction the
actual files are going in. Snoop/tcpdump a plain ftp connection
to see what goes back and forth. What you can do, however, is
run an ftp proxy which only permits FTP GET. -John
\_ You need a pretty complex firewall to be able to block FTP puts
but not gets. It has to inspect the protocol and reset the put
commands. I dont remember seeing options for that in PIX, but you
can check the online cisco docs. -ERic
\- use Bro. it groks ftp. you can even RST the connection in
either dir if you say see a get of *passwd*. ok tnx. --psb
\_ what's Bro? urlp.
\_ isn't it otherwise known as the "man-siere"?
\_ a bra for men? (aka a man-siere)
\_ Uh, men don't have breasts. How would this work.
\_ ftp://ftp.ee.lbl.gov/papers/bro-usenix98-revised.ps.Z.
\-more recent version from Computer Networks. See Vern's
home page for link. --psb
\_ Vern? |
| 2001/2/26-27 [Computer/Networking] UID:20696 Activity:nil |
2/26 Where can I buy an Alcatel Speedstream 3060 DSL modem?
\_ http://www.alcatel.com
\_ How about for a cheap price?
\_ http://www.ebay.com
\_ I'll sell you mine for cheap -jminor |
| 2001/2/15-16 [Computer/Networking] UID:20606 Activity:high |
2/15 I manage the network of a small company. 10 workstations, 10 PCs.
They are hooked to the internet via a DSL line. We're thinking of
putting in a firewall. Is there a DSL modem with built-in firewall?
Or am I better off using an el-cheapo PC as firewall? Recommendations?
Thanks.
\_ run free/openbsd; use ipf. nat with ipnat, redirect: ipmasqadm.
if you run nameservice for internal and external, you want to
have the external one chrooted, and point the /etc/resolv.conf
to the internal nameserver (this file is outside the chrooted dir).
make sure you get the securest copy of bind - there was a recent
exploit. if you chose linux, you might want to consider using
iptables with real nat and real state. with freebsd, you can use
mpd-netgraph should you later want a vpn. with linux, you can use
poptop. Running the nameserver in a chrooted section in linux is a
little bit more effort but doable. - paolo ps, point the internal
one to some trusted nameserver.
\_ If you are worried about dns, check out djbdns. It is much
better and much more secure than bind.
I would recommend running OpenBSD over FreeBSD. OpenBSD is
much better audited, and has more frequent fixes for security
holes. Also in a locked down firewall setup (turn of httpd,
inetd, etc) there have been no remote exploits in 3 years.
Other options include NetBSD. You can get it to boot and
run on almost anything. If you are worried about the form
factor (noise, etc) get a IPX or a Qube2 with NetBSD. Its
pretty secure and fast.
\_ ipx's are kind of noisy. at least the one i have is.
\_ are you using the stock Hawk drive? If so that
is your problem. Replace with a Quantum Fireball,
and noise goes down by 75%.
\_ Highly recommend FreeBSD running ipf/ipnat (if you have to
NAT) Config syntax is pretty straightforward once you start
looking at it, and is well documented. It's very fast, and
it will be good on a P166. A colleague is a great fan of
running it on the sort of embedded, fanless PCs that
advantech (<DEAD>www.advantech.com<DEAD> make. Mail me if you
want some help. -John
\_ if you're not into optimizing and configuring things and
running external services like www, there is a linksys
dsl modem/hub product that has a webserver configuration
interface, and address translation, so you can set that
up and then plug a hub into that and connect your office.
or spend a couple of hours bringing up a unix box
with two interfaces and turn on ip masqeraduing and dhcp to
connect your office.
\_ by your description, it sounds like you already have a dsl modem,
and just need a firewall/hub box. There are plenty on the market.
just look around.
\_ in other words, you have no recommendations. fuck off
\_ Cisco PIX. It is the standard firewall.
\_ Is Cisco PIX any better than a typical OpenBSD/ifp setup?
\_ Oh yeah. The PIX is pretty damn secure. It has a custom
OS (not IOS) that has many layers of security and it is
completely audited. Every patch/upgrade is hand checked
and then a horribly complex set of attacks are executed
agaist it. PIX defends banks, enterprises, governments
in thier most secure locations. If someone tells you
they can get past a PIX, its probably because they
paided someone to unplug it from the network.
\_ MegaPath DSL had me buy a Netopia R3100 (IDSL) which seems to
have pretty decent NAT/Firewalling/PPTP functionality (I don't
actually use any of it, but it's there...) --dbushong |
| 2001/2/13-14 [Computer/Networking] UID:20581 Activity:moderate |
2/13 Which companies around here give offices to regular grunts? I know
Apple, SGI, and Adobe do. Who else?
\_ I heard PeopleSoft does also.
\_ Sun
\_ Cisco doesn't. They are down to 8x8 cubes (used to be 10x10).
The managers' offices have increased in size though. It must
be good to be the boss...
\_ How the hell can Cisco not have enough space for everyone?
They've got square footage equivalent to Rhode Island just in
the South Bay!
\_ Apple doesn't in at least two buildings I've visited. Transmeta
does do offices for grunts.
\_ Remedy Corporation, depending on seniority
\_ I was once a co-op at IBM Almaden in 1991 and I shared an office
with one other engineer.
\_ Wind River.
\_ Xerox (in El Segundo, anyway) |
| 2001/2/1-2 [Computer/Networking] UID:20497 Activity:nil |
2/1 In DHCP, how do you find out what IP you are assigned to?
\_ on the client or server?
\_ win95: winipcfg winNT: from CMD ipconfig unix: ifconfig -a |
| 2001/1/31 [Computer/SW/Database, Computer/Networking] UID:20478 Activity:kinda low |
1/30 Arg. I upgraded from BIND 8.2.2 to 8.2.3 (you wouldn't think that
would cause problems) and now i'm getting all kinds of errors
when it tries to load the db files! Can anyone point me to an
example of the new format. Thanks.
\_ New format? My files worked fine. I did the make all;make install
and copied named-xfer into my chroot'd named home, killed and
restarted named and it ran perfectly. Maybe you could post a few
of the errors you're getting? Please don't post more than a few
lines.
\_ Thanks, but i figured it out. 8.2.2 was allowing me to
get away with " ( " on its own line and 8.2.3 requires
it on the line above - as does 9. (feel free to delete
this thread now, or i'll do it tomorrow)
\_ Why put ( on it's own line anyway? Aesthetics? |
| 2001/1/16-17 [Computer/Networking] UID:20339 Activity:high |
1/16 What a good place to buy an external modem in East/South bay or WWW?
It must also accept incoming connections and be backward compatible
\_ don't all modems accept incoming connections? backward compatible
with what? 2400 baud modems? won't most (if not all) modems handle
those too?
\_ ever try 300 baud connections?
\_ no, but i remember trying to d/l porn over 1200. it was not
a pleasant experience.
\_ mm, pr0n in 4-bit glory
\_ yes, on my old 2400, when line noise was really bad.
\_ Ever tried logging in to a Sparc via a serial cable?
\_ I do this every day. Suns' serial ports run at 9600bps by
default, nothing to sneeze at. More than fast enough for
text-only work.
\_ Answer the dude/chick's question already.
\_ But when I had to do that I got a rather noisy connection.
Wrong characters once every few minutes. I'm sure my
serial cable was okay.
\_ serial cable == modem ?
\_ Uh, what's the difference? Go get a USR or some other v.90
compliant modem. They're pretty much the same and all compatiable
straight back to 300 baud if that floats your boat. Only a true
modem geek or ex-300-baud-BBS user would know or care about the
details.
\_ Answer the dude/woman's question already.
\_ Sensitive '90s man was here. |
| 2001/1/15-16 [Computer/Networking, Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:20321 Activity:high |
1/15 Want to make some quick consulting cash? Must have experience
implementing WindowsNT VPN (PPTP) through a FreeBSD firewall. -- Marco
\_ no, we prefer the very slow consulting cash where we can sap as much
of your money as possible
\_ You have been abused by the motd formatting god. |
| 2001/1/6-16 [Computer/Networking] UID:20251 Activity:nil |
1/5 My DSL is only ~170K due to distance. Is there any remote possibility
that they'll improve the rate in the future like the way modems have
improved from 2400baud to 56K? Cable modem, unfortunately, is not in
my area.
\_ Some DSL providers are experimenting with local signal boosters
to increase distance you can get DSL. Don't know if that will
help you. Probably 2-3 years before it's widespread. |
| 2001/1/4 [Computer/Networking] UID:20231 Activity:nil |
1/3 http://abcnews.go.com/sections/world/DailyNews/phone001205.html \_ wow can i get wap with that? \_ Looks like James Bond gadgets. |
| 2000/12/22-25 [Computer/Networking, Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:20163 Activity:very high |
12/22 Why does last output show most connecting from IP instead of hostname?
\_ because FreeBSD is stupid. -tom
\_ because tom is stupid. -FreeBSD
\_ wait a minute. FreeBSD can't write.
\_ How is it stupid, tom? There's only so much room to store
or display hostnames, I'd imagine. If the hostname is longer
than that when reversed, would you rather get
"cx425.sanjose.a" or a real IP address that you could resolve
yourself?
\- tom lacks fu to "last | ip2hostname" --psb
\_ It's stupid because every other system in the world uses
hostname there and truncates it to the length of the field.
Intelligent systems which want the full length use an
extended utmp/wtmp. And if you're going to use IP's, it's
the height of stupidity to only use them some of the time.
-tom
\_ Reason #1 "it's stupid because other people truncate
so you have incomplete and invalid hostnames" Uh..huh
Reason #2: it's stupid because... it's the height of
stupidity. Good, tom.
\_ How about Reason #1, if you want to get the normal
output of last now you have to do hundreds of name
lookups. Typical BSD arrogance, "who cares what
behavior people need or expect." -tom
\_ OK, tom: would you rather have chopped off,
indecipherable hostnames (which is what _every
one_ of those ip addrs would be) or ip addresses
that you _could_ look up?
\- if you need to do lookups, you do them,
if you dont need to do them, you dont.
you are right this does make life harder
for low-fu people and might not be a
good decision if your goal is to
maximize the number of people using your
OS. but there are other goals --psb
\_ I would rather have "last" be what it
always has been, and provide an additional
option for new functionality, instead of
changing the default behavior which has
existed for n years (n > 20). In terms of
functionality, I find soda's "last" to be
far less useful than a typical "last",
klee ttyAm 128.32.191.92 Fri Dec 22 19:45 - 19:46 (00:00)
because the information I'm looking for
is usually not a specific hostname. -tom
\_ So back to my question, why are some with IP and some hostname?
What causes it to be diff? thank you.
\_ Picking a few lines at random, we have:
mchowla ttyAz 209.131.52.33 Fri Dec 22 19:47 - 19:50 (00:02)
samli ttyAm <DEAD>charon.sun.com<DEAD> Fri Dec 22 19:47 - 20:02 (00:15)
as you can see, if the hostname were much longer than
"charon.sun.com", it wouldn't fit and you'd have to chop it
off.. let's say it was "sjsu3.sj.ca.ibx4.colo37.cnw4.cnw.net"
you'd see something like "sjsu3.sj.ca.ibx4" as the hostname,
which completely useless. Better to give the IP, where you could
at least run something like "last | ip2hostname" and have all
of the hostnames (if poorly formatted)
\_ so basically, it's inconsistent behavior. Why not all IPs?
And why a 16 char limit? IP is 15 char max(for now).
\- do you feel stuff reporting in 512b
blocks and have done so for n>20yrs
should comtinue to do so? --psb
\_ I dunno, my feeling is that it is
better to fix things than to have
fundamentally broken stuff lay around
forever along with alternate "fixed"
ways of doing things. (Ever tried to
program the Windows API? It fucking
sucks, and this is exactly why.) -blojo
\_ Hear hear. It's not like this
is even some programming interface.
How many critical cross platform
apps do you know of that depend on
the formatting of last?
\- tom, there are times where change is merited.
the chown user.group was changed to user:group ...
i bitched about that till i realized it made sense.
"the rest of the world" doesnt do everthing right the
first time ... so its a good thing they dont have their
head up their ass and can look around and learn. --psb
\_ Tom said it's stupid so it's stupid. Why do you all waste his
precious netrek time asking why? He said so and that should be good
enough for the likes of you!
\_ this thread is priceless. it brings a tear to my eye.
\- "i am tom, hear me roar" |
| 2000/12/9 [Computer/Networking] UID:20053 Activity:nil |
12/8 Any good internet radio/broadband sites out there?
\_ <DEAD>www.rephruzent.com<DEAD>
\_ http://www.hos.com (hearts of space) |
| 2000/12/7-8 [Computer/Networking] UID:20032 Activity:kinda low |
12/6 How long does it take to setup DSL with PacBel and other providers?
Let's say I order it tomorrow. How long will it take?
\_ Don't order via PacBell, they are terrible. You need to use
PPPoE and DHCP. Go with a real ISP that gives you a static
IP.
\_ Wait, y'mean they no longer give out static IPs? That kinda
makes me wanna stay at my current residence and never move
cuz I do have static IP from PacBell.
\_ you can pay more for static IP
\_ 2 months minimum.
\_ 1 month from http://speakeasy.net - chiapet
\_ They are a tad expensive. Are they really very good?
\_ doesn't PacBell have some do-it-yourself installation kit now or
something?
\_ it doesn't work unless you are really really lucky. Earthlink
has the same BS. |
| 2000/12/4-5 [Computer/Networking] UID:19997 Activity:insanely high |
12/4 Any horror stories out there about Covad or PacBell DSL
service? I'm shopping around. -ulysses
\_ my line at home is via firstworld/slip.net. They use
covad. My line was installed on time and I've never
had a problem with it. Its a little pricey but I have
two static IPs.
\_ I've been trying to get DSL since mid-April through
\_ covad's still doing okay.
Earthlink; it still doesn't work, the shit is totally
fucked up somewhere. And this is after numerous 1/2
hour phone calls to the pac bell provisioning department
and a few days off from work. Needless to say, I'm
disappointed at Pac bell's lackadaisical efforts to
ensure to customers that the installation is complete
and fully operational in a prompt manner.
\_ j, stop bitching its your own damn fault for being
cheap.
\_ Are covad and northpoint gonna go bankrupt?
\_ northpoint got bought by verizon. They're not going to go
bankrupt any time soon. But northpoint may go incompetant
under vericon's (mis)management.
\_ bzzt. Verizon canceled the deal and Northpoint is
It's cheaper and the shared bandwidth issue is a red herring, IMHO.
suing. In the meantime, Northpoint has been downgr!
to a sell.
\_ When PacBell DSL works, it works great. When it doesn't, well,
let's just say my non-techie sister knows more about DSL than
some of their tech support. It's only pure luck that you'll end
up with someone on the line who knows anything more than "Is your
modem on?" or "Are your cables connected properly?" Oh, and this
is after waiting at least half an hour on hold.
\_ Consumer Reports says those they surveyed with Cable Modem had
a better experience than those with DSL by a 2 to 1 margin.
It's cheaper and the shared bandwidth issue is a red herring,
IMHO.
\_ Cable modem isn't available everywhere (SJ for example).
Some of us are stuck with DSL. Though the new sprint
wireless is showing some promise.
\_ Sure, if you don't want a static IP or a service agreement that
allows you to run whatever you want. They literally scan your
box and if they find ports open, "in the interest of security"
they shut you down. AT&T and @Home ... dunno about others.
\_ Not. I have @Home, and haven't got any problem with
being scanned, nor being shut down for having services
with open ports. I have a static, too.
\_ my brother (in berkeley) hasn't had a problem either.
He's running a linux box as a nat/firewall/web server
(a Cobalt RaQ3) and @home hasn't asked him to shut
it down. He was running a Qube2 before that (for
almost a year) and had no issues with @home.
----ranga
\_ does not upstream on cable modems suck?
\_ Local @Home is limited to 128kbps and they try to smack you
if you run a server, but when it works (the frequency of
which depends on which "node" you're at) it's greeeat. If
you can get the 2 months free, free installation, and have
no contract, try it. |
| 2000/12/3-4 [Computer/Domains, Computer/Networking, Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:19984 Activity:nil |
12/2 The Internet Sucks. I want to give my friend A CD, via one of the
online sites. None of the ones I've looked at allow me to do this,
instead they allow me to give him a gift certificate of a specified
amount, which I find low class. I could just flip him a $20 if I
wanted to. I'm not worried he'll spend too much of my money, and if
he did somehow do so, I wouldn't make the same mistake twice. This
doesn't seem too difficult, now does it?! Any suggestions? -- Marco
\_ why don't you just give him a blank check?
\_ uh, amazon allows you to send someone a gift. -tom
\_ pretty much any online site will let you buy something
and have it shipped to a different address, but I don't
think that's what he wants.
\_ Obviously. I want the site to support his choosing the
CD, but the charge goes to my credit card. -- Marco
\_ Internet sucks? How many brick-and-mortar places
allow you to do that? And that's even f2f. Sheesh.
Go and try that at Raspukins.
Amazon allows your friend to set up a wish list
so you can click on it to charge to your CC.
Makes buying, shipping and potential returns easier.
\_ WWW != Internet.
\_ I didn't say anything about the WWW. Is there any Internet
service that will do what I want? -- Marco
\_ e-mail him, ask him what he wants, buy it, ship it to his
address. |
| 2000/12/1-2 [Computer/Networking] UID:19977 Activity:kinda low |
12/01 What's the difference between bridge and router as it relates
to DSL service and static IPs? What are the advantages/disadvantages
of one over the other? Am I possibly sharing the same subnet with
other DSL users if a bridge is used? What does it mean to have
a single static IP? Does that mean I don't have a network or
broadcast address? Does that mean it has to be bridged, or is
that a /31 (or is /30 the smallest possible subnet) subnet?
\_ "It doesn't matter." If it's not PPPoE yer good.
Please read TCP/IP Internetworking from O'Reilly and come again
later.
\_ Do you mean TCP/IP Network Administration?
I could not find the answers I seek there.
\_ Whoops. Yes, that's the book.
\_ There is no difference to you as a user between using a DSL
router and a bridge, other than having a DSL bridge when the
connection requires a router or vice versa.
Perhaps what you want is for someone to draw out a network
diagram for you. If you can give me a link to a free GUI that
will do that, I'll draw one out for you. |
| 2000/11/28-30 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers, Computer/Networking, Computer/Domains] UID:19931 Activity:nil |
11/27 Anyone used a free lsystem implementation that worked? All the
internet resources seem to point to lauren lapre's version,
and I can't get that to compile. Thanks!
\_ Yer welcome. -lauren lapre
\_ The problem is not lapre. The problem is user error in compilation.
\_ Care to be more specific?
\_ Learn to compile other people's code. |
| 2000/11/27-28 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush, Computer/Networking] UID:19923 Activity:moderate |
11/27 What is a WINS server? I'm looking on Microsoft's site and it appears
to just be a DHCP server. Except Microsoft says it developed both
DHCP and WINS and has submitted them to be new official computer
standards. Does WINS also do SAMBA type stuff?
\_ Microsoft invented everything. And once we can get Bush 2.0
finally installed in office, we can get rid of this anti-trust
suit so every computer-term can be re-named back to it's
rightful owner: Bill Gates. Then we can start paving the Bay to
reduce my commute-time, cutting down the trees to make room
for more housing, and removing these high gasoline taxes.
\_ My aren't we hostile. No one can be sure if Bush will
a republican but by a Democrat.
go easy on M$. Many felt that RWR would stop the AT&T
breakup but he pushed harder than the Carter Admin. to
complete it. Bush may also do the same. Gore may not
(several members of his family work for M$).
Now as for the rest of your rant, if you are so enamoured
on "nature" and the "environment" why don't you log off
and leave civilization and go live in the forest as
primitive man did.
\_ Well, everything except the internet, which was invented not by
a Republican but by a Democrat.
\_ Microsoft invented DNS too. It's called Digital Nervous System.
\_ Microsoft also created DNA. Distributed interNet Architecture.
DNA is the precursor to .NET.
\_ A WINS server is Microsoft's pre-DNS MS-only idea of how to do
name <-> IP resolution. It's pretty brain dead. If you have some
specific questions, post again and I'll do my best. |
| 2000/11/23-28 [Computer/Networking, Finance/Shopping] UID:19904 Activity:moderate |
11/23 Can somebody recommend a cheap wireless phone plan for $20 or less
a month? I need it for only emergency only. And it must come with
a phone.
\_ Work gave me a cell. They pay everything. It sucks. -- 24x7 slave.
\_ Ha ha. You accepted the cell phone from work? What
did they have on you? Did you kill or rape a co-worker?
Or are you too stupid to live?
\_ 6 figures and they never call me. I didn't "accept". It's
part of the job. I could go with no cell and get half or
nothing. And like John I use it as my free personal phone.
\_ 6 figures and no cell. The are afraid to call me. You
need to be more important.
\_ That doesn't mean much if you don't have a phone.
\_ They are scared to ask me to carry a pager or
a cell phone. Very scared.
\_ work gave me a cell. people from work rarely ever
call me on it. it's great!
\_ Last time work gave me a cell phone I regularly racked
up > $400 phone bills on it. "Fringe benefit." -John
\_ Ooh, y'all six-figure niggas by the name of jigga.
--hater
\_ Consider prepaid minutes + cheap phone. No monthly charge.
\_ The cheapest PacBell plan is somewhere around this price... I think
it might be $25/mo. and usually comes with a phone.
\_ SprintPCS has a $20/month plan for 20 minutes. I used to remember
there being a $15/month plan for 30 minutes. Oh well.
\_ http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/htbin/rfc/rfc2549.html
\_ http://www.csaa.com/memberservices/cell-phones.asp |
| 2000/11/22-25 [Computer/Networking, Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:19894 Activity:low |
11/22 How many static IPs do you usually get from your DSL service?
Do they use subnetting? Besides host 0 and 255, all the others
assigned IPs can be used for web server, etc.?
\_ Default = 1, but you can order up to 4 from PacBell I believe
(costs extra, of course). I have one but use a gateway router
to share the connection across four computers.
\_ with pacbell, you get one for their basic level of service.
If you order 'enhanced DSL' not only do you get a non-PPPOE
connection (i.e. real ethernet), you get routed to you a
/27 ( 3 bit subnet, 6 useable IP addresses, one used by
your PBI gateway). So you get 5 IP's, for your ~$79/month. -ERic
\_ depends on your ISP. I have firstworld and they give two
static IP addrs per account. (You can possibly get more).
\_ @home provides 1 and you can get up to 4 more for $5/month each.
\_ But doesn't @home limit your total connections? They asked
my mother for MAC addresses of all machines to be used.
\_ This won't to jack for them if you are
using nat/pat. The next hop will only
see one MAC. Most likely they do bandwidth
shaping, by turning on discard queues after
a certain data rate has been exceeded.
\_ They didn't ask me for diddly and don't know diddly about
any of my machines. They installed the line and modem,
tested it, I approved the work, they left.
\_ they dont have to "ask you". They jsut bind to the
first MAC addr that requests access. |
| 2000/11/21-22 [Computer/Networking] UID:19879 Activity:high |
11/21 Best bang/buck ADSL? Cable?
\_ try http://www.dslreports.com telocity is pretty good, $39.95/mo,
no contract
\_ The best bang for your bucks will be Ecentrica Gallumbits. |
| 2000/11/20-21 [Computer/Networking] UID:19860 Activity:high |
11/20 PacHell (PacBell) now has this stupid PPPoE over DSL crap. Has
anyone successfully gotten Linux or FreeBSD to run on this?
URL would be nice.
\_ no, the better question is, has anybody gotten their Macpoet
garbage to work on their g3/g4 machines?! I have had all
the dsl stuff at home since last week but can't get
the software to work; everything is set exactly as they
tell you in the the enclosed readme file. Worse yet,
the tech support is awful, and even if they could send
someone out, I'm hard pressed for leave time. The earthlink
classic excuse was, "Uh...yeah, dsl service has been sporadic
in the Bay Area...Just try logging in several days from now..."
\_ redhat 7 comes with the roaring penguin pppOe package available
as a service to install
\_ We use Linux (RedHat 6.2) with RP-PPPoE (not w/ PacBell though):
http://www.roaringpenguin.com/pppoe -alanc-
\_ What's the motivation for using PPPoE?
\_ Access control - think DHCP with account name/passwd reqd.
(Easy to shut off if you don't pay your bill, just disable
account).
Also easier to throttle bandwidth down to the rate you're
paying for, so you don't complain when your higher than
average rates drop down to normal as more people sign up,
and easier to share infrastructure with other ISP's & keep
the billing straight. (At least that's what the tech at
our ISP said off the record.)
\_ but it is over DSL. I thought the ISP can easily disconnect
you at the central office. BTW, doesn't PPPoE sound weird?
\_ Editing a file is much easier than sending someone
out to your neighborhood CO.
Ethernet is designed to be a broadcast medium but PPP is
point-to-point...
\_ well, whatever it is, it's a fucking piece of shit. |
| 2000/11/10 [Computer/Networking] UID:19721 Activity:nil |
11/9 There you have it. Gore "invented the Internet". More accurately,
he created this bill:
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d102:16:./temp/~bdPGaI::|/bss/d102query.html|
\_ He was only about 25 years late. BBNPlanet, DARPA and the DOD
created the internet in the 60's. All this bill did was to
help in the transfer of ARPANET to NFSNET.
\_ But his bills helped make the Internet what it is today
- far more than the military/research ARPANET.
\_ Uh, no. TCP/IP, ICMP, IGMP, UDP, and most other major
protocols such as RIP, OSPF, FTP were authored under
DOD and DARPA contracts. Even Bill Joy's work here at
Cal in the late 70s and early 80s were DARPA funded.
The transition to NSFNET, didn't introduce any new
sturcture or commerical benefit. In fact the Internet
and the web did not take off until it was transfered
out of the control of NSF into commercial ISPs. Gore
did not help with the privatization of the Internet
which is the primary reason for its growth.
Bottom line, Gore is *exaggerating* if not lying.
I guess he must have master the Vulcan logical arts
to a higher degree than Spock. |
| 2000/11/2 [Computer/Networking] UID:19632 Activity:moderate |
11/1 Just curious, what will happen if I have two interfaces
(hostname.hme0 for ethernet and hostname.le0 for FDDI) both set
to the same IP? Will it give me redundancy? Will the router
magically route to the more efficient route?
\_ i will kick you in the nuts.
\_ You'll probably just confuse the router and all the
machines on your subnet.
\_ Well, with Cisco EtherChannel you can do funky stuff like
this but with a Sun don't.
\_ you can do it on sun if you install the SunTrunking
software.
\_ Is this new? I haven't heard of it. Also
does it do etherchannel or is it raw
ethernet?
\_ its been out for a couple years..
it is etherchannel just named diff. -shac |
| 2000/10/13-14 [Computer/Networking] UID:19475 Activity:nil |
10/13 I got a cable modem and I'm runing RH 6. My networking is setup
through DHCP. The problem is that when I log in to GNOME or try
to start apache I get a message about not being able to
determine the local host name. This prevents apache from running
and also causes problems when I ssh to my home machine from outside.
How do I fix this? Thanks.
\_ fix /etc/resolv.conf. Also you should set ServerName in httpd.conf |
| 2000/10/6-7 [Computer/Networking] UID:19424 Activity:moderate |
10/6 Pentium 90. Comm Ports 1 and 2 already in use. Internal modem.
Jumper set to Comm3. However, in the modem set-up under Control
Panel there is only the option for Com1 and Com2. What can I do to
get the modem to work (aside from using com ports 1 or 2)?
\_ I assuming you're using windows. Try diddling with the settings
for your two serial ports under the device manager. Maybe try
to unhook one of your serial gizmos, disable its serial port, then
use the modem as com<whateverthatwas>, then re-start it. -John
\_ What John said but in English: reconfigure the modem to use port
3 or 4 and disable any other ports via the dip switches that the
modem should use, then try playing with windows settings.
\_ When you say reconfigure, what do you mean? Does this mean
to set the jumper on the modem to com3, or something more
than this? Also, I'm not sure what you mean by disabling
the other ports. First off, why do I need to do this?
Second of all, what do you mean by "dip switch"? Anyway, in
the windows setting, com3 never shows up? Will playing with
the hardware change this? -clueless (no joke) |
| 2000/9/29-10/2 [Computer/Networking, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA] UID:19369 Activity:moderate 54%like:19604 |
2/29 Way cool jobs. See /csua/pub/jobs/webMethods
\_ So. What's so cool about working there again? Do they do
interesting things? Or is all this free-snackage supposed
to distract us from the fact that the company does boring shit?
\_ you mean B2Bi isn't major excitement?
\_ get over yourself
\_ I'll ignore the fact that you are just trying to bait me and
answer the question seriously. The cool thing about working
at webMethods is that the people here are really positive and
have lives outside of work. The daily grind is somewhat
better than most places, but it's mostly because of the
people rather than the work. That said, webMethods is doing
a lot of things that haven't been done before, rather than
putting yet another shading on version 236.4 of some browser.
If you want to know what things, try http://www.webmethods.com for
a start and mail me for details if you are truly interested.
We have done a good job of leaving the "whine about things
but don't fix them" crowd behind when we left UCB. -mel
\_ "The daily grind is somewhat better..." You need a better
job my friend. I don't view my work as grind. It is
both interesting and stimulating. I look forward to
coming in to work. All the fake smiling faces in
neighboring cubicles won't change the fact that you don't.
\_ Loser. Work != your life. It just pays for it.
\_ Of course it's not. I didn't say my life was boring.
Why should my work be?
\_ Actually my work is a large part of what I think
is interesting about my life. If you can't envision
this, perhaps you should find more meaningful work
to do. -blojo
\_ my work is play. I can't believe they just gave me
another $10K raise to have fun every day and learn
lots of cool stuff and have lots of toys to play with.
And i have great coworkers and we just took a 3 hour
lunch today to go to the movie theater.
\_ And?
\_ That was because everyone thought they deserved
a 3-hr lunchbreak because they've been putting
in > 70 hour weeks, right?
\_ I only work ~10am-7pm and mondo bennies.
Have not been in on a weekend, yet.
\_ Where is this?
\_ Probably Cisco, Sun, HP or IBM.
\_ You're right. How did you know? hahaha
\_ Been there, done that. Will soon
be doing it again. Small co recently
bought by one of the big 4 mentioned
above.
\_ You sound very Bechtolsheim-ish
\_ Italy |
| 2000/9/28-29 [Computer/Networking] UID:19357 Activity:very high |
9/28 I have two DSL lines (one personal, one for work). What's the best
way to manage that on one PC? Right now I do a lot of wire swapping
and IP reconfiguring. Is there a better way?
\_ It's called "routing". Possibly integrated with a magical device
called a "hub"
\_ How rude!
called a "holub"
\_ How wuuude!
\_ how stupid!
obviously, the person has no exposure to routing and hubs,
otherwise they wouldn't be asking the question. How dare you
call me "rude" for taking the time to give the idiot the
correct direction to go in.
\_ Ok, I'm the idiot who posted the question. Yes, I've
heard of routing and hubs, though I may not know
apparently as much as you do. I know how to share an IP
over multiple computers, but not multiple IPs to one
computer, and that's all I was asking for. And why am
I an idiot for not having exposure to a particular
topic? That would make all of us idiots to at least
some degree.
\_ We're all idiots to at least some degree.
\_ One way: get two ethernet cards and hook up each one to
the different DSL lines. Might need to make some static
routes. Depends on your OS. It can be done on one NIC
on most OS's with a hub but that's ugly, IMHO.
\_ For legal reasons, swapping wires is the best way to deal with
is swapping wires. If at anytime the corporate net and the
internet are connected together by you, you can look forward
to a PINK SLIP and a CIVIL SUIT.
\_ well that really depends on what the company's policies are
and what was agreed to in order to receive dsl from them now
doesn't it...
\_ Some of us don't work at lame companies. |
| 2000/9/27-28 [Computer/HW/CPU, Computer/Networking] UID:19348 Activity:very high |
9/26 ARG! I bought a modem that I thought would work with linux
(The AOpen FM56-PM) and it DOESN'T. Please recommend a 56K
modem that works with linux. Thanks.
\_ D00D R U ST111 U51NG A M0D3M? U SH0U1D T12Y CA813 012 D51!
\_ Um.. buy a friggin external modem?
\_ You lack clue. Go get more clue.
/- This thread cracks me up. It's so funny reading shit about CPU
/ speed when 99% of the people cares only about network bandwidth.
/ How will USIII improve my p0rn d/l time? Get a fucking clue.
| \_ DOn't worry your pretty little eloi head. Us morlocks
| (1%) will keep things running. Oh, I'd like fries
| with that, too, please.
\_ Stephenson sucks at non-fiction
\_ contrary to popular belief on Soda,
NEAL STEPHENSON DID NOT WRITE
"THE TIME MACHINE" which is where "eloi" and
"morlocks" comme from. Go read it; it's
| you can use any old fucking CPU and disk because it
eTextified and less than 100 pages.
http://www.jyu.fi/~otto/finncon95/timem10.html
\_ He is referring to 'The command line' book
which did violence to Wells' invention.
Eloi rule the world, not Morlocks. Look around
you, coder peon.
\_ That's what the Eloi want you to think.
| \_ Some people actually write the code that allows you to
| download your p012N you 311T3 Hax0012. They care about
| things like memory fetch latency and instruction
| execution. In terms that you can understand. If the
| 311T3 p012N site is running on a USIII you can ask
| it to give you more files per second.
| \_ time for CPU to process URL requests: 2 us
| time for network to send p0rn mpegs: 1 hr
| time to enjoy porn: priceless
| Network bandwidth is priceless. For everything else
| you can use any old fucking CPU and dick because it
| doesn't really matter!
| \_ it takes a lot of CPU to keep 100 or 1000 Mb/s
| links full.
| |
| 2000/9/27-28 [Computer/Networking] UID:19346 Activity:moderate |
9/26 static IP dsl in fremont area?
\= firstworld
\_ firstworld
\_ megapath; tech support is sluggish, but reliability, install time,
and tech support fu is excellent |
| 2000/9/27-28 [Computer/HW/Laptop, Computer/Networking] UID:19343 Activity:high |
9/26 Reminder; Out door computing facility TODAY 11:30 on Memorial Glade.
(the lawn infront of the library). If you would like to see WAV LAN
installed in the nice grassy area, please just show up, eat lunch, and
hang out, (and bring a laptop if you can.) -sofia
\_ WaveLAN?
\_ 802.11 wireless LAN hardware. Wow... Just wait until bluetooth
\_ slow
comes around...
\_ Breezecom > bluetooth. FHSS > DSSS. -John
\_ Bluetooth is going to be as toothless as a still born
babe.
\_ Breezecom is slicker than snot dripping from Fuzzy's noze
in the Swiss Alps.
\_ Breezecom will whip blewtewf like a cheeze omlette.
\_ Breezecom is gonna sound like a huge vaccuum cleaner to the
makers of bluetooth.
\_ Bluetooth: duck.
\_ Breezecom - smart as a whip.
\_ Yah, just try downloding Fuzzy's plan on each, you'll probably
get an overflow error on bluetooph. |
| 2000/9/27-28 [Computer/Networking, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:19334 Activity:high |
9/26 When my client, get's disconnected I get a message "reset by peer"
Does it mean, csua reset's my session or, My ISP disconnect's me,
from the session?
\_ Why all the extraneous apostrophes? don't people even pretend
to know grammar anymore?
\_ 311T3 Hax0012 D0 ! N33D G12AMMA12 D00D
\_ It means that someone tried a tcp hijack on your ssh session
and the server broke the connection. Otherwise, soda rebooted.
\_ Or you hit soda's 24 hour keepalive timeout and your
ISP's firewall isn't playing nicely. (Or your ISP
session timed out & you reconnected with a new IP
address.)
\_ or soda crashed and rebooted.
\_ It means your lost your connection. Why do you care?
\_ Well, just wondering which side is doing the reset since it
happens quite frequently, if it's not from csua, then I may
be able to do something on my end to fix this problem. |
| 2000/9/21-22 [Computer/Networking, Computer/SW/OS/Linux] UID:19306 Activity:nil |
9/20 Is there an easy way (on a linux box) to see what process is
controlling what port? [Port 53 is still opened on my computer
but i thought that 1.) Bind 8 was no longer using port 53 and 2.)
named is running as a user (named) who shouldn't have permissions
to use low number ports, right?]
\_ 1) no. 2) no.
\_ 2 is not done by default, but you should definitely do it.
Simply: move all your slave domain cache files to a subdir
and chown it writeable by user/group "bind" (or whatever).
Then run named -u bind -g bind. Voila.
\_ And then check port 53.
\_ lsof (RTFM for details)
\_ Use windows! |
| 2000/9/18-19 [Computer/Networking] UID:19278 Activity:kinda low |
9/18 If your area carries both DSL and Cable (broadband), why choose
Cable if the bandwidth decreases as more users use it?
\_ i don't know..maybe they offer sweet cable (for your tv) deal
as a package....
\_ Cost. Cable may be cheaper.
\_ $10/mo less, free install, 3 free months
\_ And put a splitter on the cable line and get free cable.
\_ Cable is usually faster. I sometimes get 3-4Mbps at home, but at
work it is significantly slower on DSL. Also, if PacBel is your
DSL ISP, your bandwidth from the CO to the Internet can be
significantly less than 384kbps that they "guarantee".ZZ
\_ I haven't heard anyone get that low. I'm getting pretty much
750kbps no matter what time of day. My friend gets 600kbps.
\_ Because cable companies threw big phat pipes at the problem
and you no longer see prime-time slow-downs.
\_ Where I live, cable modems come with static IP but DSL comes
with a dynamic IP. Actually, I don't think you even get a real
IP number. Instead you get to be part of the DSL company's
network going through a gateway to get to the actual Internet.
So with a cable modem I can make my machine a server. I get
cable modem service from MediaOne and DSL would be from Bell
Atlantic. I live near Boston so I don't know if this applies
to California. -emin |
| 2000/9/17-18 [Computer/Networking] UID:19268 Activity:moderate |
9/16 Where can I get a black box to get the premium cable channels?
Cable guy said there wasn't any in Berkeley. Is he lying, telling
the truth, or just stupid. I got AT&T cable.
\ pick up an issue of Nuts & Volts and mail order it
\_ if you really want to get some daily ass treatment for 6-12 months
in a federal prison, you're probably best off with some simple
credit card fraud (has to be interstate though)
\_ I know of 3 people who have been using a special box to
get premium channels. None have been caught. And haven't
heard of anyone else getting caught either. Proceed with caution.
\_ One of my acquintances got caught. He is in deep shit now. |
| 2000/9/16-18 [Computer/Networking] UID:19266 Activity:nil |
9/15 The named on my linux machine listens on a non-privileged UDP port
in addition to the standard ports. Should I be worried? (can't find
anything in the docs/faqs, and dont want to udp scan someone else's
box to match behavior)
\_ I believe newer nameds use unprivileged ports to do recursive
queries (ie, where someone requests a record it doesn't have and it
goes out and looks up the answer). --Galen
\- isnt the motivation there named doesnt have to be a
privilaged process? of course there are other ways around
that and continue to run on a low port. --psb |
| 2000/9/16-18 [Computer/Networking] UID:19265 Activity:high |
9/15 I got pacbell DSL, with PPP over Ethernet,
westell wirespeed DSL modem, can I hook up
more than one computer without a unix gateway box?
I can't find any documentation on the web on
whether if and how to set up dhcp + natd through the
modem, if it's possible
\_ Look into a NAT hub/switch. Line -> modem -> hub -> multiple PCs.
Or, PacBell could offer multiple IPs. Same setup as above,
except the hub/switch does not run NAT. Someone here should
know if PacBell offers more than one IP. Finally, the NAT
hub/switch must work specifically with PPPoE.
\_ get the router by linksys. it's like $140 or so. it supports
PPPoE, etc. I've installed it on a PacBell DSL network at
my friend's office and it works well. It also works as a
rudimentary fireall. -uctt
\_ Last I heard the Linksys PPPoE support was in beta. Office
DSL was probably not PPPoE but bridged.
\_ Linksys blows. get the Netgear RT314/Zxyel P314 or
the Umax Ugate. http://www.practicallynetworked.com
\_ anecdoteP
\_ Windows 2K (and Win98SE, I think) has a net connection sharing
feature. Refer to the system documentation for details. |
| 2000/9/15 [Computer/Networking] UID:19250 Activity:nil |
9/14 I have a 2-IP account from @home, with the standard setup (cable
modem to cheapo hub, hub to two boxes). I just set up samba on
my linux box to serve MP3's to roomie's win machine. IP routing
has been set up on both computers, so, hypothetically, when he
plays my mp3s, no data should go out the hub and come back in.
Furthermore, when cable modem is disconnected from hub, it still
works. However, when it's plugged in, the blinkenlichts on the
cable modem seem to indicate that something is being transmitted
in both directions, correlated with the mp3 playing. tcpdump
shows only smb packets at that rate. What am I missing?
(presumably something I don't understand about how the routing
happens?) flames >& /dev/null
\_ Write down both IP addresses, netmasks. Compare subnets.
Run traceroute to other computer's IP.
\_ my ip is 24.A.B.C while his is 24.D.E.F (A!=D, etc). @Home
recommends netmask of 255.255.255.0 however. Also, since I
have a separate route to him directly (mask
255.255.255.255) and he has the same route back, the rest
shouldn't matter, no? (the latter claim is confirmed by
traceroute, yes)
\_ You sound good then. Cable modem could be blinking
lights whenever it sees signal on the Ethernet, but
it shouldn't pick up the packets because the dest
MAC address != cable modem's MAC address.
\_ cable modem's blinkin correlates with whether or not the
mp3 is playing. i trust winamp not to be chatting covertly.
ideas?
\_ SMB, right? There are probably broadcast
control packets that the cable modem picks up.
\_ Ah. Yes. Rings a bell now. This probably covers it.
Fucking braindead protocol. |
| 2000/9/9-10 [Computer/Networking] UID:19216 Activity:kinda low |
9/8 For the Linksys DSL/cable router or something similar, does
is there a way to run a PC X Server and call it from a remote
client from across the router?
\_ ssh tunnel.
\_ How does it work?
\_ man ssh |
| 2000/9/9-10 [Computer/Networking, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:19214 Activity:nil |
9/8 Is there such a thing as a gaming HTTP proxy? I wanna play AoE2
but need to hop across my company's HTTP proxy. Thanks.
\_ SSH Port forwarding if all else fails. I think there is a way
to make it work across proxies. -John |
| 2000/9/8-10 [Computer/Networking] UID:19213 Activity:moderate |
9/8 Monopolies suck! Due to an administrative glitch, PacBell has
royally screwed up my companies DSL service to the point where we
have to put in a new order and wait 4 weeks(!) for service. And
switching providers wouldn't help since this is a problem at
their central office and all providers run on PacBell wires anyway,
right? Anyone know of anything we can do about this?
\_ DSL is for cheapasses. Get Wireless T1.
\_ provider? I haven't heard of anything wireless going over like
400Kbps.
\_ Check out this page, some of them do upto 1.5 MB
http://www.cmc.com/lars/engineer/wireless/w-isp-list.htm
A friend of mine runs his company's main link using a
1.5 wireless T1 link. It rocks. I would get it but I have
good DSL service through firstworld.
You are right PacBell SUX!!!!!
\_ soda> nslookup http://www.cmc.com
*** localhost can't find http://www.cmc.com Non-existent host/domain
\_ thanks! |
| 2000/9/8-10 [Computer/Networking] UID:19211 Activity:nil |
9/8 Linksys DSL router/switch. Does anyone have this beast. How
does it compare to a typical PC box doinng NAT feature-wise?
The reason I am interested in it is because I'd like to share
my connection with my housemates and yet, I don't want to leave
my PC on 24/7 -akop
\_ I bought one. It works. My setup is have it as a DHCP client
getting dynamic IP from cable provider (AT&T/MediaOne), and
serve as a DHCP server to the computers. I haven't tried
much of the additional features (filters/DMZ/etc.), different
setups or how it compares to similar products. Setup was easy. |
| 2000/9/8-10 [Computer/Networking] UID:19208 Activity:moderate |
9/8 I'm using AT&T's @Home cable modem service, two computers running
win98. If I buy a cheap switch like the one below, will I be able
to share a single IP for both machines without setting up a linux
box for ipmasquerading (ie, will the switch do NAT for me?)
http://www.onvia.com/usa/products/index.cfm?Task=ViewProduct&IdCatalog=196051
\_ Before you spend money on hardware and time on nat configs and such
why not just get a second real IP from @home and hook three wires to
a cheap 10mb hub? Cost is $5/month, it's a real IP, no configs,
don't need first machine on to get second on the net, etc, etc.
It would be "just like having a real network!". Hassle free, works
for me. If you're employed you can probably get work to pay for it.
All this home nat stuff is cute but it isn't a generally useful
skill for the real world.
\_ This is option #2 below, for completeness.
\_ Sorry, I was in a hurry and forgot to state that I was
restating the #2 option below as a "best choice" for anyone
with $5/month to spare. But, yes, that was my intention.
\_ I'm in the "real world" and we use IP Masquerading on a Linux
box. It's cheaper than having to purchase a 15 IP pack and also
acts as a firewall because internal IP's are not exposed. We
don't have a switch, only hubs, so if we didn't do this there
would be no way to secure the network.
\_ one computer would have to act as the gateway and needs two NICs,
(an internal network, and an external network) the second one
would use a reserved IP number, and be on the internal network.
\_ NO! If you get a switch that has IP Masq support, it'll do this
for you...
\_ 1) A switch (including that one) will NOT work by itself.
\_ WRONG. Certain switches have firmware support for this sort
of thing.
\_ it will if you have two IP's, nimrod.
\_ Please to be recognizing the phrase "by itself", and
then pleasantly looking at number 2 below, and then
kindly being less insulting next time.
Win98SE,
Win2K Professional and Server (but not Win98) have this thing
called "Internet Connection Sharing" (ICS). You need one computer
running ICS. This computer will have two network adapters (any
two will do). You plug one into the cable modem; the other one
is connected to the other computer with a crossover cable.
This second computer has "Obtain IP address automatically."
Now you can share the connection as long as the first computer is
on.
2) A lot of cable places have a feature where they can give
you more than 1 IP address. In this case you buy the hub,
connect both computers to the hub, and connect the modem to
the hub. Both computers have "Obtain IP address automatically."
3) Run Linux IP masquerading. Same hardware setup as 1).
4) If you're just running Win98 and don't want a 3rd computer
to run Linux, download WinRoute Lite and use the same hardware
setup as 1).
* IP masquerading, ICS, and WinRoute are all NAT programs.
\_ I bought the Umax Ugate-3000 router/hub. NAT-based and works
like a charm, including web-surfing, games, ICQ, everything. And
saves from not always having to have one computer on to share
the connection.
\_ How much $$$?
\_ Anyone tried the Linksys DSL/Cable router (either 1-port or w/
the 4-port integrated switch)?
\_ that's for gay homo travel agent office queers who play
MS solitaire all day |
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9/7 Is there a command in cisco IOS equivalent to "netstat -a" on unix?
I want to see what tcp/udp ports a router is listening to. I'm looking
at the various "show" commands and can't see it.
\_ Try portscanning its various interfaces. Show config doesn't
give you what you need? -John |
| 2000/9/6-8 [Consumer/TV, Computer/Networking, Recreation/Media] UID:19182 Activity:moderate |
9/5 Digital cable or satellite?
\_ Dish... displeases me. From what I've seen of both, the interface
on the dish boxen >> the digital cable boxes. It's a bit faster,
has picture in picture, and not _quite_ as many ads. However,
cable seems to have its MPEGiness tuned to screw up large black/
dark areas of the screen, while the dish seemed to make light
areas chunky. If I had to pick one of those two, I guess I'd rather
lose dark areas.. --dbushong
\_ FWIW, I think digital cable is at least as bad as satellite.
I'm on the verge of killing my digital cable subscription for
more traditional cable. Among digital cable's annoyances is the
difficulty of programming VCR's to time-shift shows. You basically
have to set the cable box on the 'right channel' ahead of time.
And no switching to different cable channels between recordings.
\_ satellite. get directv, H card, and a programmer. find a
subbed bin...and you'll be watching ~400 channels for free
(including hbo, showtime, ppv, nasty stuff, etc.)
\_ Excuse me what is an H card?
\_ send me mail if you're interested in
hacking directv. -uctt (guy who wrote the
hacking info above)
\_ Been to prison or paid a hefty fine lately?
Hacking free tv is hardly worth the risk.
\_ i don't hack. i just know how to.
knowledge isn't illegal is it? -uctt
\_ read alt.dss.hack for a week. send me any questions
you have after that. the guys in there know the
basics. i'm an expert. so please stop sending
email until you lurk that newsgroup. -uctt
\_ I just sent all your personal information and your
post above to DirectTV.
\_ You did too? I wonder if we split the reward or
it's first-come first-served? I needed a new car.
\_ cool. i guess they're going to try to arrest
me b/c i read a newsgroup? -uctt
\_ Fucking thief. You know what you did.
I suggest you should go surrender to the
authorities yourself.
\_ No, but an anonymous tip is more than enough to
get a search warrant. Good luck. |
| 2000/9/4-6 [Computer/Networking] UID:19165 Activity:low |
9/4 Has anyone here played with commercial security monitoring/scanning
apps? I'm looking at Eeye, ISS, and Axent NetRecon for host-based
monitoring and host/network scanning, and Cisco Netranger/NFR/
Netprowler/Eeye for IDS--I'd appreciate any experiences people would
care to share about any of these. -John
\- the all suck to various degrees. the people who want to
sell you stuff worry more about "sexy features" like drawing
useless graphs and html reports rather than working on actually
hard problems. they may be ok for MIS-types but hackers should
use bro. also, what speed are you monitoring? unclear who
can keep up with 100mbit full duplex. --psb
\_ It's more a matter of being able to show due diligence
to govt. and investment inspector types who bring along
their pet MIS guy and who may have heard this or that about
commercial implementations. I see the limitations of
most commercial products I've looked at, but I need to
find the "least worst" in addition to whatever "real"
IDS and system/network hardening I'm doing. -John |
| 2000/9/1 [Computer/Networking] UID:19155 Activity:high 52%like:19148 |
8/31 Just got a new 80 year old multi-million dollar house in Santa Old
Clara. I need suggestions for DSL/ADSL. Anyone know who's good,
fast, and reliable? Not for porn download.
-nivra
\_ firstworld
\_ Forget DSL/ADSL. Get a 3G wireless internet connection.
\_ do you really like your wireless porn?
\_ his hand needs a rest. |
| 2000/9/1 [Computer/Networking] UID:19148 Activity:kinda low 52%like:19155 |
8/31 Just got a new apartment in Lake Merritt. I need suggestions for
DSL/ADSL. Anyone know who's good, fast, and reliable?
-nivra
\_ firstworld
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