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2007/2/18-23 [Computer/Companies/Google] UID:45768 Activity:nil |
2/17 Google goes after poets: http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070216/tc_afp/polandusitinternet |
2007/2/16-23 [Computer/Companies/Google, Computer/SW/Languages/Misc] UID:45753 Activity:high |
2/16 Google is so annoying nowadays.. keep having to type in a word every 3 searches for them to weed out automated searches \_ Offer an alternative. \_ switch to yahoo \_ I decided to do this for now. I have no loyalty to google and they're overhyped anyway. \_ Did you have a point, or were you just crying out at the motd like some doomed Greek hero who cries out against the gods? -dans \_ It's the motd. He doesn't need a point, but there was the off chance a real conversation could have started. \_ I know he doesn't need to have a point, but I'm generally more interested in people that have a point that people who are just trolling or wanking. Curious, what real conversation would start? The OMGLOLBBQ Google is big now let's bash them conversation? What an insightful and telling conversation. I'm sure we'd get exposed to all sorts of new information from unbiased sources! -dans \_ There was the 'off chance' that one of the google staff who is on the motd might tell us what they're doing to improve search or something we don't know about how to use it better or any of a number of things that don't involve knee jerk attack or defense of random search corporation. \_ There are google staff on the motd? None of the CSUA alumni I know at google follow the motd. -dans \_ There were at one time. How do you know they still don't? How do you know ex-employee's don't? How do you know that someone from another search engine or working in the field doesn't? \_ Gmail's adsense just showed me an ad entirely in Persian followed by an add for doughnut recipes, neither of which followed by an ad for doughnut recipes, neither of which were at all relevant to me or my email content. I'm guessing the people who paid for the Persian ad or the doughnut recipe ad would probably be pretty bummed if they knew I was seeing their ad. Maybe this is the sort of thing that pisses people off about Google these days? --not the op \_ I'm curious to know how you could tell Farsi from other languages that use the same script. Would you feel better about google if it advertised to you in Urdu? \_ I only click on Urdu ads. \_ Interesting. I didn't know that Farsi and Urdu use the same script. Curiious, what is the Farsi script called (i.e. Russian uses Cyrillic)? How similar or dissimilar is the Farsi script to written Arabic? -dans \_ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farsi#Orthography \_ Thanks! -dans |
2007/2/15-23 [Computer/Companies/Google] UID:45744 Activity:kinda low |
2/15 Do no evil. (unless it makes you big bucks). Google censors Chinese ASAT image. BTW, I couldn't find this image on the American google which is pretty scary if it truly isn't there and not just my lack of search fu. http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribune/07/front2454147.052777778.html \_ The hypocrisy of Google, combined with the fact that Google searches seem to be increasingly wasting my time leads me to ask the question: what are you guys using instead? http://ask.com looks decent, but that's only after a few minor searches. \_ google search is great for me. if one of those link farm sites keeps bugging me, i can add it to the Filter list in the CustomizeGoogle firefox extension. \_ That isn't google, that's some one else fixing google for you. \_ I am sorry, but I am confused what you mean by "hypocrisy." Do you mean that obeying the laws of the countries that they do business with is hypocritical? No where in Google's mission statement do I see "be anarchists" or "go to jail," is there something I am missing? \_ Hmmm, blind obedience to laws, eh? \_ All I'm saying is: I don't agree with their business model, so I'll use something else. That is my economic right as an American. \_ The article is crap, your description is misleading, and your false pretensions are beneath you. It has a bunch of dated and vague quotes about Google's censorship policy in China, and it does not actually cite any sources about this specific image. For the record, I have mixed feelings about Google and China. On the one hand, I find its decision to self-censor distasteful On the one hand, I find its decision to self-censor gay and question its motivation, but, on the other, I am coming around to the opinion that any significant increase in the flow of information in China moves things forward and even a heavily censored Google accomplishes that. -dans \_ Yeah, 9 days dated: http://www.publicradio.org/columns/futuretense/2006/02/06.shtml \_ Um, no. Quoting from the article: "Last year, Google's senior policy counsel, Andrew McLaughlin, defended the censorship saying the company sought to balance commitments ''to satisfy the interests of users, expand access to information, and respond to local conditions." If Google sends out the same written statement to all news agencies that inquire about its stance on China and censorship, it doesn't magically become "new" because one of the agencies chooses to republish it. Even if this is a new statement from Google, which I highly doubt, my point that the article contains no specifics about the image in question stands. Can you read? Do you have thumbs? Show me your thumbs!!! -dans thumbs!!! Touch me! -dans \_ First of all: breathe. Second of all: it doesn't magically become "new" policy. But it's clear that it's still their *current* policy. I didn't post the first link, I'm just interested in Google's policies and how they line up with trying to create a world I want to live in. And I *do* agree with you that providing even limited and censored information to China may be better for them and us in the long term. But, I'm still a little skeptical. \_ I share your skepticism, and I think it's important to keep pressure on companies to change their behavior when they are misbehaving. That said, "Google's policy on censorship in China unchanged since last year, skeptics question Google's evilness." is not news. "Google censors image (or document) foo because x, y, and z" is news. I take issue with the article because it represents itself as the latter, but reads like the former. You can argue that greed is behind Google's behavior with respect to China, and this is evidence that the company is acting in an evil fashion. Nonetheless, the question of Google's alignment is still open. There is no question that sloppy, sensationalist, overly subjective, in a nutshell, yellow journalism is evil. -dans \_ You're both/all missing the point. I posted the original link, btw. My point wasn't really that google is hypocritical (we know they are), it is that I couldn't find the image on the *American* http://google.com. If it isn't there because google censored it, then the Chinese are censoring info outside their country and in *my* country. I find that very scary. Hypothetical: how long until they tell google to pull tienamen square tank squish pictures off the American http://google.com site? \_ No, you're missing the point. You're reasoning in the wrong direction. You believe Google is hypocritical, greedy, and evil, and you're presenting evidence to support this conclusion. The lesser issue is that your evidence is weak and circumstantial. The bigger issue is that you're picking and choosing from the complete set of facts. You present only the facts that support your conclusion, and omit the considerable evidence to the contrary. Lies of omission are still lies. Now, I could conclude that you're biased and have a chip on your shoulder about Google, but to do so would be to repeat your error. Maybe you're just lazy. Maybe there's another explanation I haven't thought of. Just because you can't find the image in Google doesn't mean it's not there. Even if it's absent from Google, that doesn't mean China censored it. For example, Google has a fairly straightforward and public process for requesting i tems be removed from its index: http://www.csua.org/u/foj -dans \_ Google is a corporation: by default their actions are evil and they are guilty until proven innocent. Find me the image on the American google. It should be there by now somewhere in some form since that particular image has been linked and cross linked a bunch of places. \_ Okay, this is just so blatantly idiotic it has to be a troll. Please, if you're going to troll, at least have some fucking artifice. -dans \_ "I have a different world view so you must be an idiot and a troll". Ok. Thanks for participating. You could have just ignored it if it was such a blatantly idiotic troll. HYBT? \_ All corporate acts are evil unless proven otherwise is not a worldview, it's a soundbite. I think you're an idiot and a troll because you can't distinguish between the two, not because your views differ from my own. Perhaps, in your head, your views are more subtle and nuanced, but you express them poorly, and this lends credence to my assertion that you're an idiot or a troll without artifice. Besides, responding to trolls is fun, especially ones as easily baited as yourself! -dans \_ I think it's funny that you can simultaneously claim to have been trolled, getting irate and insulting about it and then decide at the end that you're really the one doing the baiting. The reality is no one is baiting anyone. We simply have different world views, you refuse to accept that anyone with a different view could have a valid view and it upsets you (apparently). \_ Apparently. -dans |
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2007/2/10 [Computer/SW/Mail, Computer/Companies/Google] UID:45706 Activity:nil |
2/10 Yay! Say goodbye to MSN and Yahoo! http://tinyurl.com/tbrky |
2007/1/22-28 [Computer/Companies/Google] UID:45567 Activity:nil |
1/22 Worst directions ever: http://csua.org/u/hx4 (Google Maps) \_ Umm, ok. What's bad about them? \_ Previously it required about 30 U-turns. Guess they got fixed. \_ Previously it required about 200 U-turns. Guess they got fixed. http://www.geekzone.co.nz/freitasm/2091 |
2006/11/30-12/8 [Computer/Companies/Google] UID:45400 Activity:nil |
11/29 http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2006/10/02/8387489 Google chaos by design? One time hit? |
2006/11/14-27 [Computer/Companies/Google] UID:45337 Activity:low |
11/14 GOOG $489.30 today. Where's the short GOOG guy again? Nya nya nya!!! \_ Yay crack! \_ It's almost breaking the 500 barrier. BTW StreetInsider still rates GOOG at Outperform. Where's the short GOOG guy again? http://tinyurl.com/y2aftf \_ 509! |
2006/10/27-30 [Computer/Companies/Google] UID:45015 Activity:kinda low |
10/27 Why are kids today (10 to late teens) so obsessed about Google and YouTube? You know, like, who cares? OMGWTFBBQ, whatever man. \_ kids are obssessed with google? I thought it was myspace and youtube \_ and flickr \_ Why aren't kids obsessed with porn sites instead? There are tons of free sites which can be accesses without a credit card. If there were web sites when I was a kid, I'd have found porn sites much more interesting than youtube and mysepace. \_ I need porn. Can you post some of these sites??? THX!! \_ Youtube has lots of softporn. search for cwh. \_ I don't think you really want a lengthy essay about social isolation the need to belong to a peer group and the ever increasing pressure on young people today. |
2006/10/9-10 [Computer/Companies/Google] UID:44745 Activity:high |
10/9 Time to short GOOG. \_ 3/4 times I bet against GOOG when it should not have gone up I lost big time. I'm not going to touch GOOG ever, again. They are fuckers who keep screwing us average investors. \_ When "average investors" are shorting, they're almost always wrong. Don't bet against good companies. -tom \_ What makes GOOG a good company? \_ They provide a strongly-branded and effective web service, and so far have avoided the pitfalls that have knocked most of the other web services off the top rung. They also invented a new business model for web advertising that revived what was a declining field. -tom \_ I'm not sure why Google's stock price is so high since it clearly isn't justified by any financial calculation but the markets are not rational. Do not bet against crazy people. \_ GOOG's forward P/E is 33. What do you think it should be? -tom \_ Nothing. Forward PE is a fabrication and meaningless swami-like prediction. What is current PE? \_ It is silly to suggest that current PE is the only "rational" method of valuing a company, particularly one that's growing as fast as GOOG. Google's revenues were 1.4B in 2003, 3.1B in 2004, 6.1B in 2005. 2006 will likely come in at 9B. Earnings were .3B, .6B, 2B, likely 3B. Do you think it was rational, in 2003, to value Google as a company with a yearly earning potential of .3B? What are your projections for Google's earnings in 2007? -tom \_ I didn't suggest "that current PE is the only 'rational' method" of anything. Google's income is 99% from web ads of various sorts. It's an all your eggs in one basket company based entirely on ad revenues which has traditionally been a very unstable market. Maybe they will somehow avoid the long term ups and downs of the economy that hurt other ad based business models but everyone thought similar things in the 95-2000 time frame as well. As far as their earnings for 2007, they are way too secretive a company for me to guess and I do mean guess such a thing. Anyone who comes up with a number is just guessing (unless they're a in-the-know insider at Google). I'm sure a number of people have made a fortune off them but I won't invest my cash in a place that prides itself on revealing as little as possible to investors with nothing more than "We did good before, trust us!" to go on. \_ There are plenty of companies based entirely on ad revenues which have been successful in the long term: television networks come to mind. It does not take "guessing" to project that Google will continue to draw more page views and generate more revenue in 2007 than it did in 2006; choosing a specific number may be little more than a guess, but choosing a range is reasonable, and you can rationally base valuation on your projected range. You said that Google's value "isn't justified by any financial calculation"; you're now backtracking from that position. The current analyst average projection for Google's 2007 earnings is $13.09/share; they will earn almost $10/share this year. Do you think $13/share is irrational for Google's earnings? Do you think the current valuation is irrational if Google earns $13/share next year? -tom \_ Television is a great example. Over time as shows become popular or fade the various major networks do better/worse in the ad wars. I haven't back tracked from anything. I don't know where you got that from. Whatever. Anyway, this is still a company in a new and ever changing market. At any time another company could come along and turn the whole business upside down. Before Google there was Yahoo, Lycos, Hotbot, Alta Vista and several others The analysts in the 95-2000 time frame had all sorts of projections and now just like then they are based on nothing. They have no reason to believe Google will capture 30% more of the market or any other metric. Yes, it is quite possible Google has peaked on eyeballs because there just aren't that many left they don't already have. Then what? Anyway, it probably won't be 07 or 08 but eventually they will not exceed their previous quarter's earnings, all the analysts will scream doom and gloom and their stock will take a huge hit. Once the sheen has rubbed off they'll have to work their asses off to approach their previous peak. As an aside I thought their purchase of youtube was interesting. IIRC that is their first big purchase of a competitor in the Microsoft style of business. Just taking note: a place that hires every PhD in sight and famed for their ingenuity made a similar product which simply sucked and got stomped in that area forcing them to shell out big bucks for a video storage and playback site. Is Google now on the long term slide to buying instead of building, no longer doing that which made them great in the first place? Time will tell. And for the record I do not nor ever have traded the stock and never will for the reasons I already stated so you're not talking to a bitter short seller. \_ It is certainly possible that Google's business will decline at some point in the future, but it is no more rational to expect that than to expect that it will continue to grow. Until I see Google making specific mistakes which are going to cost it market share (like Flash ads), I will continue with the assumption that Google will continue to expand at at least the same rate as Internet usage. -tom \_ I mostly agree with this. The thing is that internet usage has a limit based on the number of people on the planet who can afford it and who care about it. The real question then becomes what are those numbers and that is something they can't control. IIRC they've got about 50-60% of the search market now. Years ago they had about 50-60% of the market. So either the market is poorly defined or they're just not convincing people to adopt their services at a rate greater than they have in the past, thus their growth is directly linked to internet growth. If I was an investor I'd still be more concerned about what the youtube purchase implies than about future internet growth though. \_ Welcome back, Short GOOG at 100^H^H^H200^H^H^H300^H^H^H400 Guy! |
2006/9/19-22 [Computer/Companies/Google, Politics/Foreign/Europe] UID:44448 Activity:nil |
9/19 Google news aggregation may be in trouble: http://business.guardian.co.uk/story/0,,1875370,00.html \_ no it isn't \_ yes it isn't |
2006/7/31-8/2 [Computer/Companies/Google] UID:43839 Activity:nil |
7/30 So again I ask: does anyone know why gmail is flagging email from csua as spam? \_ Probably too many CSUA morons forwarding mail to gmail and clicking on the "Spam" button. \_ Someone previously said that csua was blacklisted somewhere. If this were the case, woudln't mail from csua be filtered as spam on yahoo and elsewhere? Or is it just that gmail has tougher spam filtering? \_ It might very well happen with other mail services. I don't happen to know. \_ Isn't gmail still in beta? File a complaint with google. Don't use a beta service for anything you care about. \_ Uh, I can't choose what mail services other people use. I don't personally use gmail. \_ Gmail sucks. Stick with Hotmail. -proud American |
2006/7/28-30 [Computer/Companies/Google, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA] UID:43835 Activity:low |
7/28 Why is email from CSUA being filtered by gmail? \_ Huh? \_ Email I send from csua to gmail addresses gets is marked as spam. We had this problem before when csua somehow got on some blacklist, but I thought it was fixed long ago. \_ How long has this been happening? Was it fine yesterday, and just started being a problem today, or has it been happening for a while? \_ It's been happening to me for at least the past week or so. Earlier than that, I don't know. \_ Is this only affecting mail received at gmail? \_ Versus other mail servers? Beats me. |
2006/7/21-22 [Computer/Companies/Google, Computer/SW/Languages/Misc] UID:43752 Activity:nil |
7/20 Anyone know if it is possible to share your Google Calendar with other people? \_ Funny, I was just on this topic because I was trying to link iCal with google calendar. To answer your question, click on the link that says "Manage calendars". Click on the tab that says "Calendar Details" and their should be a link to the XML, ICAL, and HTML versions of your calendar. By the way, if you want to link iCal to your yahoo and evite accounts, one of my friends created this site: http://www.icalify.com XML, ICAL, and HTML versions of your calendar. \_ I clicked on Manage Calendars and I see the Calendar Settings page with General, Calendar, Notifications, and Import Calendar. However I don't see Calendar Details. What am I missing? -op \_ Nevermind, you need to click on the triangle thing next to your calendar name, then select Calendar Settings. http://www.google.com/googlecalendar/event_publisher_guide.html Thanks motd! FYI to see other people's calendars you do: http://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src= |
2006/6/16-19 [Computer/Companies/Google] UID:43418 Activity:nil |
6/15 Oh dear lord. It seems SpamCop is blacklisting certain IPs used by Gmail. Gmail does not reveal the sending IP for privacy reasons, so when Gmail users send mail to honeypots, Gmail's servers get blacklisted. Has anyone else noticed this? \_ SpamCop has long been a bastion of incompetence. --scotsman \_ If you're a proxy for spam you should be blocked the same as direct spam. \_ I fully understand the SpamCop position, I just wish that if Google insists on hiding the originating IP that make damn sure legit mails don't get blocked by a widely used spam filter because of it. -OP |
2006/5/20-25 [Computer/Companies/Google] UID:43124 Activity:nil |
5/20 Okay, now that finals are over, back to controversy. So our current robots.txt does a good job of keeping Google off lwall and stats -- so I've added wallrss.cgi to that list, and reenabled wallrss.cgi for all your Walling fun, sans Google indexing. --michener \_ Can you please add suexec to cgi-bin? \_ what web stats? where? I can't read /var/log/apache/access.log |
2006/3/30-31 [Computer/Companies/Google] UID:42564 Activity:nil |
3/30 link:tinyurl.com/l9yrq (Google Adventure from http://groups.msn.com \_ I'm not sure if this is funny, or just kind of odd. \_ This is Dumb |
2006/3/21-23 [Computer/Companies/Google, Recreation/Sports] UID:42358 Activity:nil |
3/21 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/03/21/google_soccer_vendetta Register op/ed piece. Take it as you will. \_ The Register claims to be a news source, but in reality The Register is little more than a purveyor of capitalism's most despised offshoot - advertising. \_ It's an op/ed, not news. I said it was an op/ed. What's the problem? -op \_ Sheesh, it was a joke, calm down. I just thought it was funny to be reading about how evil advertising is on a page filled with fashing annoying ads. You realize that line is pulled from the article, right? -pp \_ Sorry, it's the motd. I've learned not to expect anything intended to be funny. |
2006/3/17-20 [Computer/Companies/Google] UID:42292 Activity:low |
3/17 Help! Why is Google all green today?! \_ It's because the Islamists have won control of western civilization. Do not go outside without a thick beard or you will be beaten. \_ In the off-chance you're serious, click the logo, dumbass. \_ International tree hugger day. \_ Google Dividend day. \- Meditation in Green \_ Its St. Patrick's Day. Have yourself a Guinness to celebrate. \_ Does green tea count? \_ Only if it's heavily spiked with Irish whiskey. \_ That sounds like a way to ruin two drinks. |
2006/3/9-11 [Computer/Companies/Google] UID:42159 Activity:nil |
3/9 Holy SHIT. This makes google Earth look like some kind of cheap hack: http://worldwind.arc.nasa.gov Prepare to waste time after you download this. \_ Have they updated it? I tried it about a year ago, then when Google Earth came out I was impressed by how much better Google Earth worked (and how much faster). You can't zoom _quite_ as far in, but meh. --dbushong \_ It depends on where you are. I guess I was excited because the zoom is quite a bit better on the nasa one for a particular area I care about, and because the USGS maps are integrated. \_ Agreed. Clunky interface on the nasa one. |
2006/3/3-6 [Computer/Companies/Google] UID:42092 Activity:nil |
3/3 Google/yahoo map question. I have N different addresses. I want to be able to display all of them on either google or yahoo maps at the same time. I want to see the distances relative to each other. There doesn't seem to be a way of doing this without using the underlying google/yahoo API. I don't want to write code just to do this simple task. Are there any third party sites that link to google maps that can do this? Thanks. \_ http://mapsonus.com and http://maps.ask.com will both do that, but I don't think they link to google maps (though ask's roughly as good these days) --dbushong \_ yes! http://maps.ask.com does exactly what I need. Thank You very much! |
2006/2/16-17 [Computer/Companies/Google] UID:41881 Activity:nil |
2/15 how do i export a giant mbox mail file to Gmail from the command line? http://www.marklyon.org/gmail/download.htm is graphical. The old version doesn't work either. \_ check out formail(1) and sendmail(8) \_ you can also do this pseudo-command line in mutt: tag all the messages you want to send - the t command then tag-bounce them to your gmail address. - the ;b command note, sometimes if you get too many messages at once at gmail, they've been observed to throttle/stop accepting. --Jon |
2006/2/14-15 [Computer/Companies/Google, Industry/Startup] UID:41832 Activity:high |
2/13 http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060214/ap_on_bi_ge/google_fears Google to drop to $345. My prediction is coming true. I win the Motd Stock Prediction award. -stock guru \_ Are you the same guy who shorted Google at the IPO price? \_ You couldn't short it at the IPO price. \_ So you wanted to short it at $100, but couldn't, so you win the Motd Stock Prediction Award because it's $345 now? \_ I wanted to short it when all of the options expired and initial shareholders were able to sell. That was not when it IPOed. \_ so you mean, in February 2005, when it was below 200. Nice prediction! -tom \_ I'm not "stock guru" but I admit my prediction was wrong. I still think GOOG will fall below 200. It's just a matter of when. I'm sure your stock picks are always 100% correct, though, which is why you make the big bucks. \_ No, my picks are not 100% correct, but at least I give real thought to them. -tom \_ If you give "real thought" to them and they miss then who cares, right? I did a lot of research on GOOG and I still believe it's overvalued at even 200. You took one data point and concluded somehow that you give more "real thought" to stock picks than I do. That exhibits a lack of much "real thought". \_ Now I see why your login is "dim". -tom \_ How original. I guess you took 'tom' because 'twink' was taken. \_ tom makes lots of noise but he never bought goog, as he himself admitted. he does own berkshire which was 92000 two years ago, and 88000 now. His best stock seems to be logitech which ain't bad but recently dropped 20%. \_ I am up 26% on BRKB. For full disclosure: AAPL (+658%) ENN (+55% plus ~5% yearly dividends) APCC (+19%) PEP (+38%) PLCM (-6%) CSCO (-37%) PIXR (+79%) \_ Sorry, forgot I just sold my PIXR. -tom NAPS (16 shares due to spin-off, -70%) RNWK (-78%) AMZN (+175%) LOGI (+179%) FDRY (+15%) SAP (+30%) MAPTX (+23%) PHG (+32%) That's more or less the order I bought them. My time horizon is not two months or two years. -tom \_ Interesting but percentages w/ out knowing the raw dollar or at least relative value of each isn't meaningful. Down 6% on PLCM could wipe you out if you had 99% of your money in it. \_ Now you're reaching, man. \_ how long have you owned AAPL? \_ I first bought AAPL in 1995. I've purchased it several times since then. The above percentage is based on the combined cost basis. -tom \_ not bad, but nothing spectacular, especially given that without apple, your performance would be very ordinary, and while apple ain't bad, it took you 10 years. \_ I'm not looking for spectacular returns. -tom \_ why not? if you give it some real thought, as opposed to getting into silly arguments about a stock that you didn't even buy, you can have better returns, like me. \_ tom is *always* right. bow down to perfection. \_ Tom, should I buy DKDY? \_ I don't know; it depends on your goals, risk tolerance, and belief in the underlying company. I personally wouldn't buy it. -tom \_ Tom, what should my goals be? \_ How about "die with more twink points than any other sodan"? \_ start with "get a clue." -tom \_ Tom -> trolled |
2006/1/31-2/2 [Computer/Companies/Google, Industry/Startup] UID:41625 Activity:moderate |
1/31 ObShortGOOG \_ i imagine anyone who shorted at 400 and saw the stock go back up to 440 must be breathing a sigh of relief now \_ Google is a POS stock and the company is (at best) equivalent to a media company like DIS. However, there's still a lot of Kool Aid. Way too much for me to bet against it again. Do you realize GOOG is valued at 3x DIS and even 3x YHOO? The stock is worth at most $130/share. \_ GOOG trolls VS. housing bubble trolls FITE!!!!!! \_ Hey, where's tom? I remember him naysaying the naysayers. Guess he's wrong, again. \_ Please locate a quote that backs your position. Don't forget the one where I noted that predicting the stock price of an immature company like Google was foolish. They still reported almost 100% revenue growth and over 70% earnings growth. Anonymous cowardly twink. -tom \_ IIRC, weren't you the one saying their "forward looking PE" justified their current and even high stock prices? \_ I never said anything justified their current price; I don't own GOOG and I never have. I did point out that trailing P/E is not a good way to measure the value of a company that's growing as fast as GOOG is. The question with GOOG is how long they keep up their growth rate and where they level off. Certainly when you release a report that your revenues are up 100% and earnings are up 70% year-over-year and your stock price tanks 10%, people are pricing perfect execution into the stock. But I think it's nuts to short a freight train, which has been my point all along. -tom \_ Why should it be a 'freight train'? Truth is, I overestimated the intelligence of the average GOOG shareholder and investor in general. It fell a little now, but there's no credible reason for the run-up from IPO. \_ It *is* a freight train of a company; name another company that's growing revenues at 100% per year and earnings at 70%. Google is making all the rules in its space. To bet against a company like that is folly. -tom \_ There are companies growing much faster than that. Check out the technology Fast 500. There are companies growing at rates like 60000% over the last 4 years. GOOG is just a household name and so lots of people drink the Kool Aid. of people drink the Kool Aid. GOOG is #14 on the latest list. \_ did you happen to notice that Google's 2004 revenue is two orders of magnitude larger than any of the companies ahead of it? In fact, the highest-ranked company that is within one order of magnitude of Google's revenue is #134, Leap Wireless (1,542% growth compared to Google's 16,591%). There is only one company on the entire list that has higher revenues than Google, and that's Cingular, and Cingular's revenue increase came because they bought AT+T Wireless. Thank you for making my point that Google is an extremely exceptional company. -tom \_ You are making too much out of the size of total revenues. If anything, it shows that continued growth at these rates is impossible. GOOG would be exceptional if they could maintain, but only a Kool Aid drinker would think they can. \_ I don't think Google can double in size yearly indefinitely. But the fact remains, they are the *only* company that is anywhere near their size that is growing at anywhere near their rate. You want comparable companies? How about EBAY, circa 2000? -tom \_ Why does their size matter? Only expected growth rate of profits matters. \_ Don't be obtuse. Google's profit also dwarfs all of the similar companies on that list, and profits are still blasting upwards. -tom \_ Does GOOG's EPS dwarf all the others? How much is a share of GOOG again? \_ You are now bordering on too stupid to argue with. But my last post here: of the public companies listed ahead of GOOG in the Fast 500, FalconStor Software (FALC) has the highest profits, at 0.02/share. Google is earning over $4/share. Oh, and did I mention the $8 billion in cash? -tom \_ FALC is expected to earn 8x that next year and a share is not even $9. Some math shows GOOG as having a marginally better P/E, which is *bad* for a company the size of GOOG. Companies 3x the size of DIS (market cap) are not growth companies. Why do you feel GOOG is worth 3x YHOO? Will GOOG revolutionize how stocks are valued or will a lot of investors be screwed in the end? \_ Go invest in DIS, see if I care. -tom \_ My point is that GOOG is equivalent to DIS, not that DIS is great. \_ DIS's story has zero relevance. -tom As a large media company like GOOG _/ it is very relevant. \_ GOOG gross margins: over 50% DIS gross margins: under 15% GOOG revenue: 90+% growth year over year DIS revenue: 5% growth year over year So, besides the fact that DIS's business is content and GOOG's is not, there's the fact that one is growing rapidly and one is not, and one has large gross margins and one does not. So, uh, how is DIS relevant again? -tom \_ DIS has 6x the revenues that GOOG does. It is a reasonable upper bound to what GOOG's revenues might be. GOOG already has 3x the market cap. GOOG's margin and growth rate have more to do with its maturity as a company and are not really predictive of where it is headed. So if GOOG increases revenues by 6x (or even 12x) do you think it should be worth 18-30x DIS? That would make it the largest company in the world. \_ I would not use a completely dissimilar company as a measurement of anything. Are oranges worth three times as much as apples? -tom \_ Are there any large advertising companies even remotely close to google's size? --new to this thread |
2006/1/30-2/2 [Computer/Companies/Google] UID:41601 Activity:low |
1/30 In other news, GOOG super-engineers have fixed the case-sensitivity censoring feature bug at google.cn \_ Don't be evil unless your shareholders want more, in which case you do whatever it is necessary to make the shareholders happy. -capitalism rules \_ Don't be evil, unless it's for China. \- dont you think all this picking on google is a bit of a double standard? i mean yahoo released the email info for a chinese person who has since been jailed, there are plenty of people neterting into mfgring agreements with sketchy of people enterting into mfgring agreements with sketchy people etc. i realize google sort of set itself up with the "dont be evil" bit but i'm not sure what you would rather have then do in this case. like tivo i guess is ok with hardware hacking to put in bigger drives but dont want to to hack the service side of things ... that seems reasonable. as opposed to say sony in the aibohack case etc. \_ Yes, that's precisely the issue. Google says "don't be evil" and then the go and be evil. Hypocrites have been criticized for a long time. \_ google is following the local law. in that regard, it's not google's problem, no? \_ Google is under no obligation to expand into China. It is under an obligation not to do evil, if its motto is "Don't be evil". Necesse est eam, non est vivam. \_ So is it more evil to have no google or to have a censored google? Seriously. \_ It's better for me to have a semi-evil google over an amoral google. It is better for google to be moral evil google. It is better for google to be non-evil rather than semi-evil, if its stated goal is not to be evil. \_ It's evil to cooperate with a government that crushes human rights, yes. \_ or how about: "don't be that evil", or "... if you can help it" Or Sergey could have just come out with: "Well, we decided to be evil in this case." \_ Tools are never inherently evil. "Every tool is a weapon if hold it right." \- doesnt it seem odd to be holding a company to a higher standard than say your govt? \_ I normally don't. In google's case they asked to be held to a higher standard. I am just being obliging. \_ I normally don't. In fact, I prefer my companies profit- maximizing (hence at least somewhat evil). In google's case they asked to be held to a higher standard. I am just being obliging. \- i think this black and white view and overreading the "dont be evil" is just silly. \_ They made out quite well with the "do no evil" thing until it was inconvenient. As soon as it looked like it was going to cost them money, they dropped it like an old bag. People hate hypocrites. At least Microsoft, Yahoo, Cisco, etc, never made any obnoxious claims to be doing anything other than making as much cash as possible with no moral qualms. People hate hypocrites. And I believe now is a good time to remind you that people hate hypocrites. Has anyone mentioned lately how much people hate hypocrites? --People Hating Hypocrites |
2006/1/20-22 [Computer/Companies/Google] UID:41459 Activity:nil |
1/20 Well, I guess that GOOG short finally paid off. Hope you did it at the right time. http://money.cnn.com/2006/01/20/technology/google_stock/index.htm?cnn=yes \_ Google going to 700 by Xmas! Woot! BUY! BUY! BUY! |
2006/1/19-21 [Computer/Companies/Google, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:41446 Activity:nil |
1/19 Original documents on the govt request and the Google lawyer's response http://news.com.com/2300-1028_3-6028780-1.html You'll be proud of the latter (starts on page 5). You, too, can defend GOOG with a B.S. in Economics from Cal http://www.kvn.com/attorneys_bio.php?id=33 (as long as you graduate cum laude from Harvard law too ...) On the flip side, you can be a fully tenured professor at Cal and work for Dubya (ob John Yoo reference) http://www.stat.berkeley.edu/users/stark \- stark used to traffic with then had a nasty breakup with a sloda user. --your black muslim gossipmonger |
2006/1/19-21 [Computer/SW/Database, Computer/Companies/Google] UID:41430 Activity:kinda low |
1/19 Feds Seek Google Records in Porn Probe http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060119/ap_on_hi_te/google_records \_ That's definitely seems to be overreaching. I hope Google can win that one. \_ Note that it isn't a specific case they're prosecuting, but a desire to find out how often Americans search for (child) porn. Also note that AOL, Microsoft, and Yahoo! have already rolled over, accepting this child porn explanation; however, the data can be used for other purposes ... Also note that AOL, Microsoft, and Yahoo! have already rolled over. If the stated purpose is to go after pedophiles, I can understand their rolling over, but the data can be used for other purposes ... They originally asked for a complete list of all search terms and returnable URLs over a two-month period, but now they've "limited" this to a 1-million-count random sample of queries and returnable returned URLs over a two-month period, but now they've "limited" this to a 1-million-count random sample of queries and returned URLs for a one-day period. \_ Are they going to pay for an engineer's time to do this? If not, pound sand no matter the reason. \_ Whatever about this case but generally speaking, if the request is legal, the business doesn't get expenses. The alternative is the FBI comes in and confiscates everything in sight and extracts what they need on their own time. Anyway, even if the childish "pay up or pound sand" thing was realistic, the cost would be about 10 minutes since they should have this data easily accessible anyway. Knowing what is in their logs *is* their business model. \_ While they should have a good database of search queries turning that into a list in the format the gov't wants may be non-trivial. I could easily see it taking someone A few days if their database is really not set up for this type of thing. And it does seem like a the sort of thing that cannot be subpoenaed because it's not in reference to a particular crime, or even for investigating a crime. It's basically saying "we demand you do free research for our legal case". \_ By the way, the URL above shows it would take a "disproportionate amount of engineering time and resources" to comply. \_ Exactly. If the FBI wants to send people in (with court orders) to look at the data then feel free, but don't waste my time. Google is not a party to any case, so they shouldn't have to spend time and money on this. They can dump the entire database and let the FBI sort it out on their own time. \_ No, you don't understand. They don't look at it onsite. They *take the computers* and look at it later. \_ They wouldn't even know what to take. Dump all the data to a RAID and they can have at it. If it's too much data to fit then you ask them where they want it dumped. They are entitled to the data, not the hardware. \_ Still not getting it. I'll make it simple for you: the FBI can and would *take the computers*. *All* of the computers if they felt it necessary. FBI >>>>>>>>> google. If google loses in court, they'll have no choice but to hand over everything the Feds want and no they don't get to bill the government for the 5 minutes it will take some geek to write an sql query. |
2006/1/13-17 [Computer/Companies/Google] UID:41371 Activity:nil |
1/13 Jenn Sterger \_ Who? \_ obGoogle \_ http://images.google.com returns no result. Amazing. Is she that unpopular? \) don't use google images. \_ Another girl with fake boobs. |
2006/1/4-6 [Computer/HW/Laptop, Computer/Companies/Google] UID:41228 Activity:nil |
1/4 There is speculation Google will offer a $200 non MSFT computer (at Walmart). What OS do you think they'll use? \_ Their own Linux distribution. \_ I was going to build http://www.mini-itx.com/projects/knex over Christmas, but I had to deal with backyard flooding instead. I wonder what form facter the allegedly GooglePC will have. \_ How about the $100 hand-cranked laptop? http://www.cnn.com/2005/TECH/ptech/11/30/laptop/index.html \_ Remember, you must crank for 8 hours before using for the first time. \_ If they do (and if it's more than just putting their logo on a machine built by someone else), it might finally be time to short GOOG. -tom \_ Uh, it's already been refuted. http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060104-5882.html |
2005/12/28-2006/1/1 [Computer/Companies/Google] UID:41153 Activity:nil |
12/28 time to short GOOG? \_ ObIShortedYerMomLastNight \_ Don't feel bad. It happens to everyone. \_ yermom is an uncovered naked short. |
2005/12/15-16 [Computer/Companies/Google] UID:41033 Activity:moderate |
12/15 I'm looking for raw data on the world's cities, does it exist anywhere? Specifically, I'd like a list of all cities over, say, 5000 population, what country they are in, which state/province/prefecture/etc., location (lat+long) and name in English. Does this exist anywhere? Couldn't find it with google. \_ Over 5000? There are raves larger than that. 5000 is too small to be significant. \_ Ok, make it 10,000 \_ I agree with pp. You probably want to look at 100k as a low number. Even that low I bet you would get over 1k cities. \_ Companies that make an Atlas have to have this info, it should exist *somewhere*. \_ http://www.travelgis.com/default.asp?framesrc=/cities -tom \- i assume people in the GIS business have something like this in computer-usable form. howeverm this sounds ill-thought out. \_ Duh. look at The Almanac, the google of the old days. Or better yet use google and search for: world's largest cities and you get it on the first page. and you get it on the first hit. |
2005/12/15-16 [Computer/Companies/Google] UID:41026 Activity:moderate |
12/14 I just accepted an offer from Google. The HR lady with whom I \_ I'm sorry. had a lot of contacts with was very very nice, patient, knowledgeable, and helpful in all aspects (and may I add that she's hot and looks like Tyra Banks). She's the coolest HR lady I've ever spoken with in my life and I'm very happy with the overall process and I'd like to thank her. I know it's not really appropriate to buy her gifts, so what are some other ways to show her my gratitude? Thanks. \_ A certain sodan was visited by a Google recruiter at home and tied to his bed, lashed and whipped into submission. \_ Was she hot? Are they hiring now? \_ Thank you note. \_ booty call \_ find an excuse to treat her lunch. I don't know about you, but I discover I don't hang out with HR very often. \_ Treat her lunch at the company cafeteria! |
2005/12/14-15 [Computer/Companies/Google] UID:41010 Activity:low |
12/13 Remember the first time you saw a9 or google maps and said "WOW!"? Here's something from Microsoft that's pretty cool as well. Go to your favorite destination and then click on "Bird's Eye Imagery" http://local.live.com \_ when they get out of beta, it'll be cool. for now, it's godly slow and chunky. google earth was there so much sooner, with a much better product (go figure, eh?). and it doesn't cover nearly enough cities. \_ WOW, I didnt realize we had such a committed Microsoft apologist here. It *is* so slow and clunky it is unusable. And is this supposed to be useful or just going for a "wow"? Google maps is useful, eventhough it does list some strange search matches. A site that has random aerial pictures is just a site that has random aerial pictures. It isn't a useful mapping site. \_ Dude, did you read the previous post? You both agree. |
2005/12/6-7 [Politics/Domestic/911, Computer/Companies/Google, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:40877 Activity:nil |
12/6 GOOG is with the terrorists: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/12/06/al_qaeda_google |
2005/12/3-6 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany, Computer/Companies/Google] UID:40833 Activity:high |
12/2 Wow. That's pretty sad: http://www.google.com/explanation.html \_ uh, what's sad about it? -tom \_ Oh, just that the number of offensive results returned by "Jew" is so high that they felt compelled to write that. Sad. I thought. \_ Why is this surprising? Look at motd. \_ Google: Cataloging the world's filth. \_ At least they're consistent about the "let's make all information easily available" no matter if it's libelous, owned by someone else or just the sort of thing no one should need to see, as long as they make a buck on it. \_ How is google making a buck on this? \_ (a) "libelous" differs from jurisdiction to jurisdiction, and I thought it was a given that national restrictions on who links to what online are silly, (b) "make a buck on it" is not a bad thing, but for some reason it has a negative connotation--not making a buck == no google, (c) who judges what "no one should need to see"? -John \_ a) in the dictionary sense, b) making a buck spreading lies is, c) germany has banned nazi stuff, are you opposed to that? unrelated is google's answer to a faq on image and link hosting for people who want an image pulled down: they duck the issue of removing it from their index and punt it to the user to go ask the webmaster to remove it when in many cases the webmaster has posted something maliciously or just doesn't care what their users post and isn't subject to the reach of the law. double talk is just sleazy. as far as google existing or not, i dont really care. there were search engines before, there will be search engines after. they're just one search engine of many that all return roughly the same quality of results. \_ I am ambivalent about Germany's nazi ban, as it's a bit of a special case. Nonetheless, Germany has no control over content hosted abroad, nor do they make any pretense at doing so (unlike France/Yahoo, which was a pretty sad precedent.) I don't think it's dis- ingenuous for a search engine to refer objections about content to the originating site--after all, nobody is forcing anyone to look at something they don't like--you may find it lame but I see it as pretty central to the availability of information, reprehensible though it may be, on the Internet. In their position I wouldn't even have posted the disclaimer, although I can understand why they saw it as a prudent thing to do. -John \_ Which means someone has zero recourse if google is unwilling to provide a means to people to have potentially damaging and false information removed. Below someone claims they remove links to kiddie porn. I'm firmly in favor of that but why draw the line there? I don't see why Germany's ban on Nazi stuff is ok as a 'special case'. As if by out lawing references to the Nazis they will magically make the past go away. France/Yahoo is pretty much the same. Anyway, once you draw a line there's no difference where yo draw it. You don't get to claim you're a big pro-information freedom person when you've made an arbitrary decision that there really is some information that shouldn't be seen. (sarcasm for the stupid): Why don't the parents just complain to the kiddie porn web masters and ask that their kids be removed from the net? \_ Yes, you do have zero recourse. I'm unwilling to risk someone seeing my (harmless) views as somehow politically, religiously or culturally offensive and have a means to censor them. I think we're fundamentally in agreement here--I stated that I wouldn't have written the Google disclaimer, just that I understand where they're coming from. As for Germany, they have a bit of peculiar historical background that gives them a slightly different take on the topic of nazism, even though they sometimes do not handle it consistently, that is all. Relax. -John \_ You're ducking. Google will remove some links from the index based on some unknown and arbitrary criteria but will not remove others and worse, pretends they can't. If google was consistent and didn't pretend they have no control over their indexes instead of waving the "its magic! look! a shiny penny!" flag around they'd come across as honest instead of deceptive and shitty with a touch of holier-than-thou. \_ Actually I'm pretty sure they have people looking for things like child porn and taking them out of the indexes. \_ Well they do, and they admit it. |
2005/12/1-4 [Computer/Companies/Google] UID:40804 Activity:nil |
12/1 Google (or other search engine) question: I'm trying to search for the format of email addresses at a company but google doesn't seem to allow me to search for "@company.com" instead it drops the "@" and I get my search turned into "company.com" which isn't helpful. Is there a way to force the "@" character in a search? I didn't see it on the google help pages. Thanks. \_ http://csua.org/u/e5a short answer, no. \_ Did you try "\@company.com" \_ Same thing. It drops the @ and then does the search. Aren't there some google employees here? Is this just not possible? |
2005/11/21-23 [Computer/Companies/Google] UID:40681 Activity:moderate |
11/21 If 2^x=googol, what is x? \_ x = 300 * log(2) -mrauser \_ No, x = 100 log 10 / log 2 \_ Crap I inverted the addition/multiplication log rules. I loose. -mr \_ yermom's loose \_ Ummm.. when did we start giving high school students accounts and \_ Ummm.. when did we start giving high school students accounts motd access? \- is this a case of 1. you dont know a google is defined as 10^100 or 2. you know that but dont know how to solve for x in 10^100 = 2^x ? you may wish to learn about THE AWESOME POWER OF LOGARITHMS (tm). \_ It's hard to claim not to know the definition of a googol in this age of erm google. \_ You're on crack. Probably 90% of the people who've heard of "Google" have never heard of a "googol". \_ My we are dense on motd today. It's trivial to google the definition of googol. \_ My we are dense on motd today. It's trivial to find the defintion of googol with google. \- that assumes it occurs to you there is a defn to google for. which probably doesnt occur to most people. its easy to find out QUANTAS is the queensland and nothern territory aerial service via the WEEB ... but it never occurs to many that it stands for soemthing rather than being a word. it's easy to find out nokia used to be in rubber goods but it never occurs to most people it might have been something other than a cell phone company. it si easy to discover SPRINT was part of a rail company but most people wont accidentally stumble on that or wonder "i wonder what SPRINT stands for". \_ Given the context of the original question, it's fairly obvious that a googol is *something*. After that, it shouldn't take a lot of enterprise or imagination to look up the word in a dictionary or to ask google for a definition. \- we're not talking about the original question where the fellow explicitly asks "what number is it" but the vast majority to whom it is a search engine and probably never occurs to them that the name predates that. when google first got going newsstories would often explain the name. now nobody does. the fact that they explained it suggests the meaning wasnt common knowledge. i bet a lot of people who once heard the meaning no longer remember it had a separate meaning. i think it might occur to some people "inktomi" is probably from somewhere [i would ahve probably guessed japanese for spider, rather than a native am word] but i think if you put it to many people, they would have guessed google was just a nonsense word or a made up word like say "accenture". i think even fewer realize "googleplex" is also doublemeaninged. i'm sure they assume it is only from "google complex" and dont know that it too is a number. \_ You do realize that the original question says "googol" not "google", right? \_ It's QANTAS, not QUANTAS. \_ Dumb high school students, no less. \_ Hey tom, can you solve this? \_ This gets my vote for lamest thread of the week. |
2005/11/12-14 [Politics/Domestic/Gay, Politics/Domestic/Election, Computer/Companies/Google] UID:40554 Activity:nil |
11/11 http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A22435-2004May12.html I just found out that whenever you search for something and click on the sponsored link, the sponsors pay anywhere between a few cents to $30 dollars. YES $30 dollars, that means I have the power to waste $30 per click even if I'm not interested in that company. So I have a suggestion for all of you bored Green Peace liberals with nothing else to do. Search for Republicans and start clicking on "Republican Dating" or "The Republican Store" or any site that supports the GOP. Now that you are empowered to bankrupt their internet funding, spread this message to all of your hippy friends now! \_ Sorry, it didn't work that way many years ago when I was at a ad based company. I'm certain it doesn't now. No one is paying $30 for a click through. They would pay $30 for an actual signup with a real CC# attached though. For the click throughs (which were measured in $/1000 clicks in my day) we only got paid for real clicks after the logs went to a third party service for 'cleaning'. You can't honestly believe you're the first person to have ever thought of inflating someone else's costs with fake clicks? Anyway, as a philosophical/political thing, if your philosophy was so great you wouldn't need to try 'dirty tricks' to win. Your philosophy should stand on it's own merit at the ballot box. \- if you want to cost the Rs real money you have to be less lazy. one thing you might do is see if the cash checks for 1cent. if you get pre paind fund raising englvelopes from them keep sentind them 1cent checks [i get free checks]. that's a suggestion that doesnt involve leaving the house. you might also put like glitter in the envelope. i assume that is not illegal. yes, i know this doesnt cost them real money but it might deliver psychic satisfaction. i also realize it may not be the R machine processing these checks so you will have to decide if it is appropriate to fill the office of a R contractor with hard to get rid of glitter. anyway, this is after about 30 seconds of thought. i am sure i could come up with something better, but yeah, there is a no free lunch aspect to this. i certainly have no problem mailing empty prepaid envelopes back in cases of unsolicited junk i dont like. i guess you can look at their return addresses and subscribe them to gay vacation advertising lists etc. \- oh, you also may be better off trying to disrupt a small unit ... like say infiltrating the BCR etc. \_ Having spent a summer working on ads analysis at Google, I can assure you that the cost-per-click can get outrageously high. However, you're unlike to be able to take advantage of this because (a) you won't be able to find out which keywords are expensive without alot of work and (b) Google has a many smart people working on detecting clickspam and they've gotten very good at it. --darin [ reformatted - formatd ] |
2005/11/11-12 [Computer/SW, Computer/HW, Computer/Companies/Google] UID:40540 Activity:nil |
11/10 "In Soviet Russia..." http://csua.org/u/dzf Quick notes about Soviet computer industry from a lecture -- thought someone might be interested. -- misha. \_ NGMD = Nakopitel' na Gibkix Magnitnyx Diskax NMD = Nakopitelyakh Magnitnikh Diskov NZMD = Nakopitelyah na Zhestkix Magnitnyx Diskov Cool notes. Thanks. If you're into E. block useful appliations, google for POLY PLAY. -John |
2005/11/1-4 [Computer/Companies/Google, Computer/Companies/Yahoo] UID:40399 Activity:nil |
11/1 You know what I really hate about Yahoo email? You can only make 10 'filters'. I can add 3000 Gmail filters. Why is Yahoo so lame? \_ Yeah no kidding. I also found that Gmail let me use "AND" and "OR" in the filter terms but I couldn't get Yahoo to do that. Yahoo's UI is also slower to get around. Yahoo better get with the program. \_ yea, you have to pay (yahoo plus) to get more filters, and to not have ads. \_ since when? last i checked (like, now), gmail claims 20. \_ shhh! speak not foul words of the Holy Google or Smiteth Thee Holy Rankings shall fall upon thine website! \_ I have about 30 filters in Gmail. works for me. \_ Is there in Gmail a way to tag all existings messages? When I search for all messages from "John" and then hit "select all" it only selects the first 20 messages, not the hundreds that I actually have. \_ I can send you some if you want. -John |
2005/10/5-6 [Computer/Companies/Google, Computer/SW/OS/Windows] UID:39987 Activity:nil |
10/5 Sun & Google partnership opinion piece: http://www.fortune.com/fortune/fastforward/0,15704,1114200,00.html |
2005/9/4-5 [Computer/Companies/Google] UID:39486 Activity:nil |
9/3 M$ to F'ing Kill Google: http://tinyurl.com/docva (http://www.smh.com.au - sydney morning herald) |
2005/8/31-9/2 [Computer/Companies/Google] UID:39394 Activity:nil |
8/31 Google announces Google Purge: http://csua.org/u/d7t |
2005/8/19-22 [Reference/RealEstate, Computer/Companies/Google] UID:39175 Activity:low |
8/18 http://tinyurl.com/alu76 How rich are Googlers? Now you find out. \_ Crap! If you can afford a $12 million dollar home, RETIRE! \_ I don't know a lot of really rich people, but in my observation truly retiring is always a bad idea. Changing careers later in life is one thing, but ending all productivity is a great way to have your health go downhill and die young(70's instead of 90's) and bitter, even if you have enough money. I'm just basing this on observations of older family members who've kept working in some capacity forever vs. those who truly became retired. I'm never going to totally retire, even if I have enough money to never work again. \_ I basically agree. I don't really think 30 year-ld googlers are going to retire in the "sit around and watch TV all day way," anyway. But there's all kinds of things I'd like to do/work on other than showinging up here 8-5 everyday. I would at least ditch the bay area. -op \_ I basically agree. I don't really think 30 year-ld googlers are going to retire in the "sit around and watch TV all day way," anyway. But there's all kinds of things I'd like to do/work on other than showinging up here 8-5 everyday. I would at least ditch the bay area. -op \_ I know a woman with a few million in cash and many millions more in real estate. Even though she made the money doing other things (real estate, businesses) she's also a psychologist. She continues to run her practice on a small scale (accepts no new patients) even though it only makes her $60-70K per year. Why bother? I've never asked her, but I'm sure she does it because she enjoys it. If the GOOG guy enjoys his job then that's all that matters. \_ No, a good capitalist keeps working until he owns everyone else, like Gates, Rocketfeller, Walton, and Lay. Capitalism is what makes our nation so great! Haven't you learned anything in grade school? \_ I find it hard to believe that you'd compare someone like a Rockefeller, who at least believed in a work ethic and just about gave away most of his fortune to a Ken Lay. -John \_ I have an acquaintance who owns his own business. Last year he bought a house in Beverly Hills for $4 million in cash. He owns many cars, including a Cayenne S and a Bentley. Another acquaintance of ours asked him why he bothered to keep working at this point when he and his family are set for life. His reply: "I don't want to have to drive a BMW 5 series, which is what I'd be limited to if I stopped working." So there you have it. \_ Huh, I'd be interested in talking to him about diminishing returns. What's the real difference between a BMW and a Bently? Why is it worth 10 hours of every day? \_ It's an example. What he is saying is that he'd live a good life, but not his current lifestyle. \_ No duh. The law of diminishing returns extends to pretty much all areas as well. \_ Sure, but who is to say what when returns are not worth it? Is it when you own your own home? Whether it is worth it or not is an individual decision. You might be happy with a 5 series. This guy is not. You don't think it's worth it. He does. Lots of people could get by with less, but they want more. Right? Are you going to decide for them when enough is enough? \_ Did you take too much meth this morning or something? I said I'd like to ask him about his motives, and what he thinks; I did not say I wanted to tell him what to do. \_ I didn't read the question "Why is it worth 10 hours of every day?" as an honest question, but as criticism. If it was an honest question I apologize. \_ No, it was quite an honest question. I'm surprised more people don't ask it. \_ I've had the privilege of test driving a $150k sports car and of receiving an upgrade to a stupid $$$ hotel room (no clue why) and being invited to try some really expensive delicacies, stuff which I can't-but-would-like-to afford. Even if there's no intrinsic motivation to work, there are some pretty definite material benefits that I imagine I could really get used to. -John \_ I think owning your business is different. The business becomes your baby, and you can't just let it die. My girlfriend's mom runs a business and makes a few million a year, but she works like crazy (15 hour days, 1 day of rest per month). My gf is more tired when she goes home for vacation cause she has to help her mom and follow her schedule. \_ The grape is very sour to me. :-( |
2005/8/9-11 [Computer/Companies/Google] UID:39062 Activity:nil |
8/9 Turns out Google is a corporate whiner: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=45661 \_ Does jblack post the worldnetdaily links too? \_ Why, do you have a problem with the content of the article? \_ They forgot to mention the Swift Boat Veterans in this article... \_ Google is a Kool Aid factory like Apple. They have a nice search engine (and Apple has nice products) but the zealots are overbearing. \_ Your analogy is tired and does not bear out, or else the zealots you're so concerned about would have drunk poison kool-aid by now. You would be better served to attempt to compare them to Hare Krishnas or Moonies, if you're looking to make a cult comparison. |
2005/8/2-4 [Computer/Companies/Google] UID:38959 Activity:nil |
8/2 Here's one for you mr. short g00gle guy. The reasonable person uses google: http://www.internetcases.com/archives/2005/08/google_and_the.html \_ I'm not the short-google guy, but what does this have to do with google being priced high, low, or just right? \_ google is such an integral part of the world that its current valuation is probably TOO low. |
2005/7/22-25 [Computer/Companies/Google, Industry/Jobs] UID:38779 Activity:moderate |
7/22 I've found Google to be a good company. If you want a full-time job or internship and I happen to know you on a first-name basis, contact me via phone or email and I'll see what I can do to get you in. darin @ csua, 314-283-1234. \_ Can you get them to stop calling me? \_ Don't bother applying if you're conservative. \_ Let me guess. You blew the interview due to poor social skills, and now you want to blame it on the liberal conspiracy to keep the white man down? \_ No, just following news reports. Have never interviewed with Google. \_ Which news reports? \_ http://csua.org/u/ctm \_ From that you assume that they "discriminate against conservative hires?" You are really really stupid, and you have likely never dealt with IT hiring. \_ Is it "jump to conclusions" day? I said don't bother applying. I didn't say they were discriminating, I just got the impression that they're raging lefties and you wouldn't want to be around them. And you'd have to work with aaron. Ick. \_ Ooh, anonymous personal attacks. You are a bright one. GOOD. Kudos to Google for rejecting religious -/ and conservative ads. We're fed up, and it's about time us liberals stand up to the bullying of religious fuck heads. \_ Don't compound "news reports" guy's stupidity with your own. \_ I think it's probably fair to say the Google workplace is fairly apolitical, but I do think the founders have a left-wing bias, and this does reflect in some company policies I find objectionable. Are you afraid to hang out with liberals because you think they might contaminate your precious bodily fluids? -- ilyas \_ I'd hate to be in a work environment where the political opinions of the people there affect policy at work. I'd be afraid to give a conservative opinion without retribution. ilyas, you work at Google? That raises my opinion of the company. \_ No, I do not. I interviewed at Google before I went to UCLA, but did not get the job. They recently contacted me again, I guess they ran out of all the good people to hire. I think Google deserves a lot of credit for enlightened things they do as a company. I hope to see their good example followed. Having said that, I disagree with many of their corporate decisions. -- ilyas \_ Well, I'm a liberal, and gay, and whatever Google does I support them because they respect and embrace diversity. I wish the Religious dictators would just fuck off. GO GOOGLE. And fuck you ilyas. \_ You on the other hand don't seem to. \_ Want to work at PlanetOut? Email me. -ausman \_ He's a troll. Nobody is this dumb. -- ilyas |
2005/7/11-12 [Politics/Domestic/California, Computer/Companies/Google] UID:38520 Activity:low |
7/11 only tangentially related to the below: Does anyone know what the term is for "the name given to people/things from a place"? For ex, peopl from Los Angeles are Los Angelinos, people from New York are New Yorkers, people from Glasgow are Glaswegian, etc. There seems to be no rhyme or reason to how these names are derived and I've been curious to find a list of tons for all kinds of strange place names but no idea how to google. thanks \_ "demonyms"!! fantastic! thanks. this has bothered me for years. \_ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_adjectival_forms_of_place_names - danh \_ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_adjectival_forms_of_place_names - danh \_ "demonyms"!! fantastic! thanks. this has bothered me for years. \- What about people from Niger? |
2005/7/4-5 [Computer/Companies/Google] UID:38405 Activity:nil |
7/4 2006 Google Press Releases: http://csua.org/u/clr |
2005/6/27-28 [Computer/Companies/Google] UID:38313 Activity:high 66%like:37321 |
6/27 How's that Google short going? \_ I think Google buyers have lost their damned minds. \_ you thought that when it was at 100, and you didn't have any justification for it then. What is your justification now? -tom \_ Same as it was then: overvalued. It was overvalued at 100. \_ According to what? -tom \_ Well, P/E of 120 is a bit higher than normal. \_ Normal compared to what? What about forward P/E? You can't just look at a number in a column at http://finance.yahoo.com and conclude that a stock is overvalued (or undervalued). -tom \_ So buy some options instead of shorting the stock directly: Controlled downside as well as upside. \_ yeah, you can only lose 100% of your investment! -tom \_ http://www.smartmoney.com/pricecheck/index.cfm?story=worksheet&symbol=GOOG&nav=pc_snaps \_ Better than losing 10x your investment... \_ You can avoid this by buying a mix of call and get options. \_ Most people should leave the hedges for professionals. (Certainly people who were planning to short Google at 100 should.) -tom \_ Heh, most professionals should leave hedges to professionals should leave the hedges to someone else as well. I understand most hedge funds fail. \_ http://csua.org/u/ciy -not the GOOG short guy \_ A few things about a tool like this. It's useful, and a lot more meaningful than looking at P/E ratio. But there are a number of subjective assumptions in the design, which not everyone may agree with, and the numbers they are plugging in are conjecture at best. Will Google grow at a 31% average annual rate over the next 5 years? Right now it's growing at a 100% average annual rate. If you set the 5-year EPS growth rate to 50%, that calculator spits out $384 as a price. If you leave the EPS growth rate at 31% and set the "perpetual" EPS growth rate to 5% it spits out $305. If you set the benchmark return to 7% it spits out $340. In summary: You have to know what all those numbers mean to use that calculator to come up with a valuation. -tom \_ Valid points, but I think it's clear you are a GOOG shill at this point. I still think I will be right in the end. I've had arguments with people over stocks like ENE that I seemed to have lost at the time, too. GOOG stockholders are a cult at this point. No one in their right mind would buy that POS at current valuations. It's (so far) a self-fulfilling prophecy. In fact, I will put my money where my mouth is and buy puts on this dog. \_ I am not a GOOG shill. I do not own GOOG and I never have. I just am tired of people who clearly know nothing about investing making pronouncements \_ "know nothing...making pronouncements"... to hear those words from tom. like "GOOG is overvalued at $100", when $100 would currently mean a forward P/E of $15. Its forward P/E is lower than Yahoo or EBay (two other stocks I don't own). And to call it a "POS" is ridiculous; this is a company that is currently growing revenues at 100% per year! The Google story is not about the stock price. -tom |
2005/6/21-22 [Science/Electric, Computer/Companies/Google, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA] UID:38220 Activity:nil |
6/21 Does anybody have current contact info for blojo@csua? I've tried to email him, but I'm not sure he still pays attention to the CSUA mail. -vadim \_ google has his web site as first hit mailto:jon@number-none.com whois the site shows his name/address/phone/email address \_ Thanks, I was googling for the wrong thing. -vadim \_ That should have gotten lots of hits on google too. |
2005/5/8-9 [Computer/Companies/Google] UID:37573 Activity:moderate |
5/8 Google got hacked yesterday. Wonder how much GOOG will get hammered tomorrow. \_ As much as MSFT gets hammered when new Windows trojans come out. \_ Uh, no, they weren't hacked. They had a DNS glitch and stupid browser behaviors automatically directed clients to a wrong address. \_ But would the average Joe know the difference? \_ Hey, are you sour grapes guy? How is that GOOG short going? \_ down 0.29%--how's that short going again? -tom |
2005/5/6-8 [Computer/Companies/Google] UID:37559 Activity:nil |
5/6 craigslist housing + google maps. http://paulrademacher.com/housing \_ holy shit, that's pretty nice. \_ How long before Google copies that and claim as their own? |
2005/5/2-3 [Computer/Companies/Google, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:37447 Activity:kinda low |
5/2 What's the best way to transfer every single one of your UNIX email (on Cory, etc) to http://gmail.com? Thanks. \_ mutt. T . ; b hoser@gmail.com -tom \_ I tried to bounce several thousand pieces of my personal email via mutt to gmail from my machine, gmail decided I was a spammer and stopped delivering email from my machine to gmail for a few weeks - danh \_ Does gmail support IMAP? If so, the (otherwise abominable) UW IMAP package contains an excellent utility called mailutil, which can, among other things, transfer messages from one IMAP server (or a local unix mailbox format file) to another IMAP server, and it is very good about preserving flags, date/time stamps etc. -dans \_ No, I am not even sure why they support POP, unless it's some kind of bait and switch. \_ You could just read: http://gmail.google.com/support/bin/topic.py?topic=194 \_ Did you reply to the right post? Their FAQ doesn't offer any real explanation why it makes sense for them to offer POP support for free. \_ Perhaps only a small % of their users use POP, but those who do are far more influential in reccomending computer things to their friends. |
2005/4/22-23 [Computer/Companies/Google] UID:37321 Activity:kinda low 66%like:34709 66%like:38313 |
4/22 How's that GOOG short going? \_ GOOG is still about the same as it was in Nov 2004. \_ In other words, it's still out-performing the market, even though it ran over "short GOOG at 100" guy as it doubled in price. (And actually, you're full of shit anyway; it is up over 10% since November 2004). -tom |
2005/4/15-16 [Computer/Companies/Google] UID:37198 Activity:nil |
4/15 Google now has autocomplete: http://www.google.com/webhp?complete=1&hl=en \_ This was mentioned on /. several months ago. \_ All the news way too late. |
2005/4/5-8 [Computer/Companies/Google] UID:37077 Activity:low |
4/5 interviewing for Google, any idea how they interview? heard it was unorthodox...thanks.. \_ Just tell them you know the secret word that rhymes with orange and that you'll tell them if they hire you. \_ arrange. \_ door hinge \_ That's not the secret word, it's two words. \_ purple \_ p0rn-age \_ stonehenge \_ stonehenge, syringe \_ Not really. You get the standard, all-day thing with lunch at the cafeteria, full of tech questions. I've had more difficult interviews. I've met both nicer and meaner people, both smarter and dumber people. It's a place. They're people. Good luck! \_ grats on the interview, just be cool. \_ The tech interview was much easier than I expected. I was warned for the 2nd ("personality") interview to "be enthusiastic". I was myself and thus judged not Google-worthy. (They told me "your technical skills are great, but you didn't seem excited enough") Of course if their recruiters are telling you how to behave and that's what they're checking for (enthusiasm, real or otherwise), that's a little silly, but *shrug*. Do what they say if you really want the job. The job market's getting better and something better came along so I'm glad it fell through. --dbushong \_ All it takes is one or two unhappy people to really drag down a team. Personality really does matter. And generally people faking enthusasim are pretty spottable. If you can fake it well you probably are enthusastic enough to not be a drag. If you can't (or have a "I'm not going to be enthusastic" chip on your shoulder well, that's a warning sign. Warning signs don't mean you are goign to be a bad employee but let's face it, Google can afford to lose a good person here and there in order to weed out the bad ones. \_ "enthusiasm". \_ This is ridiculously stupid. Enthusiastic about what? Do all the google people jump around saying "whomp" and having "teambuilding" activities? \_ whomp whomp on the head! whomp whomp on the head! \_ That place is starting to sound weird. There was a /. article about the "personal projects" that people are allowed to work on, except the guy was saying it's starting to be like you have to have a personal project or else you won't look good, etc. \_ In the post-Google IPO world, I don't think they can afford to be as picky as they seem to think they can be. Is there really that much cachet associated with working there that hundreds of new hires will take under market wages and longer hours just to be there? \_ Yes. And partly because they know Google is picky. \_ Which doesn't explain aaron. \_ aaron is blacklisted for improper not-happy vibes. |
2005/4/1-2 [Computer/Companies/Google] UID:37031 Activity:nil |
4/1 So wrong...: http://600673.com -dans \_ Google seems to be going crazy with the whole April Fools thing today. \_ no description, to be deleted in 10 min \_ no brain, to be euthanized in 3 h \_ 600673=GOOGLE in hacker speak (or they say, 3733+ hax0r $p33k) \_ I think you mean 1337 h4x0r \_ He means H07 42N CH1X. \_ The other major google april fools joke: http://www.google.com/googlegulp |
2005/4/1-3 [Computer/Companies/Google] UID:37022 Activity:nil |
4/1 Is there a way to delete just the attachment in gmail? -ray \_ not that I know of, but on a related note: is there anyway to determine the size of a message in gmail? I'm using ~25% of my quota and would like to delete some crap but have no easy way to see what the large msgs are. \_ I agree, a size field would be nice. -ray |
2005/3/9-10 [Computer/Companies/Google] UID:36607 Activity:low |
3/9 Does anyone know offhand if Google considers a 403 to be a dead link? \_ There seem to be quite a few bots which can't take a hint when it sees a 403 or 404. \_ I'm not saying Google doesn't. I assume it does remove from index eventually on 404, but is 403 treated differently in any way? -op |
2005/2/21-22 [Computer/Companies/Google] UID:36342 Activity:low |
2/21 Is gmail still available by referral only?? I can't believe it. \_ If you can't get a gmail invite, you truly have no friends. \_ I have 50 referrals now, email me and I will send you one. \_ username please. \_ Doh! -ausman |
2005/2/7 [Computer/Companies/Google] UID:36084 Activity:nil |
2/7 Does anyone else have a gmail account with 50 (yes 50) gmail invitations to give out? Last time I checked, which was probably friday or so, I only had 6. \_ Huh. You're right. I know I had 6 last week, but now I have 50. |
2005/2/1 [Computer/Companies/Google] UID:36023 Activity:nil |
2/1 Google is so dead: http://www.searchenginejournal.com/index.php?p=1282 \_ Google at $218 afterhours \_ http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/050201/16016_1.html 101% year-over-year revenue growth. 300% year-over-year earnings growth. I'm glad to see short-GOOG-at-100-guy doesn't let reality get in the way. -tom \_ Better sell know while you still have a chance. By this time next year former googlers will be standing by 101 w/ signs that read will code for food. \_ I don't own "know" [sic]. But you're a moron. -tom |
2005/1/26 [Computer/Companies/Google, Computer/SW/SpamAssassin] UID:35907 Activity:nil |
1/26 Has anyone else had problems with Gmail not recieving mail? I've had one person get a delivery failure message and another person say they sent mail, got no failure notice, and I never recieved it. Is this a common problem of am I just corresponding with dinks who can't figure out how to send email? \_ I had problems when I bounced mail from another account to my gmail. I never received any failure notice, but didn't receive the mail either. Forwarding worked. Funny thing was that after trying the bounce multiple times and fail, I forward, and all of a sudden, the forwarded mail shows up in gmail along with all of the bounced mails. That was about a month ago. Bouce seems to work for me now. \_ No, but gmail filters spam very aggressively, so I get lots of false positives. Search through your spam folder first. \_ Neither showed up in spam (I've gotten no spam yet), they just never got there. |
2005/1/13-14 [Science/GlobalWarming, Computer/Companies/Google] UID:35707 Activity:very high |
1/13 Can ordinary people still change the world with ingenious inventions and patents (like Edison and light bulb) (or at least make themselves rich) or is this now completely in the hands of large corp with crackpots making noise on the side? This is a serious question, not a troll about bad patents. \_ http://66.70.64.5/news/0501,essay,59733,2.html [village voice] \_ I know for a fact that there are independent inventors who make good money, and occasionally millions off of their inventions. As far as changing the world the way Edison or better yet Tesla did? Probably not. \_ On a vaguely related note, I hate Edison. I think he's a nasty glory hound, and an ass. You forgot the google founders, you can reasonably say google changed the world. -- ilyas \_ ilyas, don't you think these are precisely the quality that made him a successful man in the real world? \_ Probably. -- ilyas \_ Not really. The preceding engines (altavista, webcrawler, etc.) weren't dramatically different... Google just did better, but also avoided making the main page an ugly adfest. The concept of building a searchable web index is also a rather natural extension of the world wide web which is the underlying innovation. \_ And the www was really just a friendly front end to ftp, which is simple a way to move information around, much like a pile of tapes in a truck or even books on a horse drawn wagon, and there is no new thing under the sun. \_ ftp simple? have you looked at the protocol? \_ By this reasoning the light bulb was just a natural evolution of the candle which, in turn, the sun was the underlying innovation. Heh, nothing new under the sun indeed. If you're religiously inclined, the underlying innovation was when God said ``Let there be light.'' \_ No, that's not my reasoning at all. My main point was that Google didn't invent crawling search engines. My secondary point is that even without that, I think the interactive WWW would retain a big part of its usability. It would take too long to defend that idea to you motd rabble. \_ Google's main contribution isn't crawling, but using links to rank. That's what makes (made?) google good. The problem is that link popularity is succeptible to collusion, which is a nasty can of worms. I don't know how you use the net, but my usage would suffer a lot if google went away. Of course, I use scholar for 50% of my queries, and link ranking works great for publications. -- ilyas \_ I was used to using more terms/exclusions/phrases to get results, and first switched to Google for UI and speed. Google is good, and something like scholar didn't exist I guess. But the ideas here, well, I remember searching periodicals on the library PC way back. The concepts don't seem like genius to me but the execution is excellent. \_ The concept of link ranking may not be genius to you, but neither one of us thought of it. It's easy to be a hindsight innovator. -- ilyas \_ Actually I don't know if I thought of it. I can remember reading some stuff about search engines and ranking schemes way back. If it occurred to me that linking is a measure of relevancy I wouldn't have done anything with it... I mean there are only so many basic parameters associated with web pages. I know what you're saying but look at the speed involved. If Google didn't do that someone else would in short order. \_ I think that's true for almost any significant innovation. -- ilyas \_ If Google went away you could use lycos, hotbot, altavista, and so on. I actually dislike using Yahoo! now compared to when it ran Inktomi. I don't see any value-added in Google over any other search engine. \_ Recent people in history in IT who have changed the industry: Jobs and Wozniak (Jobs was a slacker, Wozniak was an i engineer at HP) Mitch Kapor (he used to be a disc jockey and entry level programmer) The guy from napster (just a college kid) Nolan Bushnell was supposedly just a second rate EE when he stumbled onto Pong. Linus Torvaldis - smelly kid from Finland who had too much time on his hands and fate conspired to kill BSD because of the lawsuits. \_ What about coming up with a great idea that is not patented (a couple times) already, then have someone else bring it to market? All the above examples are people who got help from VC and built the stuff they conceived. (Except Linus, but he falls in a different category altogether.) They are more entrepreneur than inventors. Not all inventors are or want to be entrepreneurs. \_ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Edison Edison was an entrepreneur also. \_ Bill Gates - Before Gates, everybody in IT thought only good or okay products could dominate a market. \_ Some other people who have changed the world w/ their ideas and inventions are: K&R (no unix/c w/o K&R), James Gosling (most ugs \_ unix was created primarily by ken thompson. don't even learn C these days), Larry Wall, Seymour Cray (invented the multi-proc concept), Shockley (no computers w/o transistors), Tim Berners-Lee, &c. \_ Ordinary people never change the world. That's why they're ordinary. (BTW I'm ordinary) \_ I think the OP meant "individual people". \_ How about people like George Soros or Charles Schwab? Do people who invent new understandings of economics or who invent new ways of doing business count in your book? \_ Burton G. Malkiel, author of A Random Walk Down Wall Street. He didn't originate the efficient markets theory, but did a lot to champion it, and arguably is responsible for Vanguard's creation of index funds that `ordinary' (read people like you and me without millions to invest) people could invest in. |
2004/11/19-20 [Computer/Companies/Google] UID:34987 Activity:kinda low |
11/19 Any sodans work at google? I've discovered what I believe to be a bug and I'm not getting response from google's official channels. I'm wondering if there is a better contact to write to. -brett \_ aaron, misha, mgoodman. \_ google code is officially bug-free. -- misha. \_ either this statement is true, or misha is full of bugs. -pundit |
2004/11/18 [Computer/Companies/Google] UID:34955 Activity:kinda low |
11/17 http://www.google.com/scholar rocks. -- ilyas \_ It's kind of frightening to find that somebody actually cited my one refereed paper - and misunderstood it, to boot. -- ulysses \_ LIkewise, but I ain't complaining. --elizp |
2004/11/9 [Computer/Companies/Google, Computer/SW/OS/VM] UID:34777 Activity:high |
11/9 I have two versions of MSIE 6.0.2800.1106. One is running inside a VMWare virtual machine, the other running native on an athlon PC. When I run a google query: http://www.google.com/search?q=canada.ca They get slightly different results. What's the best way to figure out why this would be? Perhaps a way to capture the request? \_ Maybe you're just hitting different google mirrors, and their indices aren't quite in sync? You could test this by using an explicit IP address like 216.239.57.99 instead of "google.com". \_ netcat is good for this. Use 'netcat -L <DEAD>athos.989studios.com<DEAD>:10070 -p 8000 -o logfile' listens at port 8000 on the local machine, logs to the file "logfile", and forwards the result to athos port 10070. \_ Does Google incorporate randomness in its search result when, say, there's a tie in relevancy? \_ the above will do the net capture but i think the answer lies more in how google works than your browser. packet captures will only tell you what you already know: you're getting difference responses back from google. |
2004/11/5 [Computer/Companies/Google] UID:34709 Activity:nil 50%like:34199 66%like:37321 |
11/5 GOOG fell 9%. Did anyone short? \_ I think the market is reacting to the possiblity of GOOG employees leaving the company to relocate to Canada. \_ No, it's because they offer domestic partner benefits. Remember, this was the "haha, you = teh gay" election. \_ No, this is the market coming to their collective senses and concluding that dumping a shit load of money into a second gen. search engine company which is soon to face competition from third generation search engine companies may not be the brightest idea. Yes, google has a decent product line up but it isn't deep enough and the company doesn't have a sufficient public history to support such a high flying price. This is not a black/white issue. I'm sure Google will be around for a few years but it isn't the be-all end-all of everything either. The big/smart money is cashing out now. It has absolutely nothing to do with the elections. Sheesh. \_ Not time to short yet. There's more where this came from. |
2004/10/25-26 [Computer/Companies/Google] UID:34336 Activity:very high 50%like:34046 |
10/25 How is that Google short going pal? \_ $20 BY FEBRUARY!!! \_ There's absolutely no reason why google should be that much higher than Yahoo. Just wait and see. \_ ah, so in other words, you didn't actually short it. So instead of getting a margin call and losing tons of money, you can sit here and smugly say, if the stock goes back to where it IPOed, "see I told you so!" There's very little reason to compare Google's stock price to Yahoo's. What do you see as fair value for Google? -tom \_ I'm the GOOG short person and I plan to make money shorting it. Half of the shares cannot even be sold yet. Supply and demand. Will you admit you are wrong if it falters? \_ GOOG may go down and you may make lots of money. Or you may not. IF, on the other hand, you make a film of you and tom duking it out in the Thunderdome, you can sell it and you will be garanteed to make money. \_ I haven't made any pronouncements to be wrong about, except that you can't tie Google's value to Yahoo's. I don't own GOOG and I'm not likely to any time soon. -tom \_ During what time period do you expect to successfully short? \_ Shorting is 100% timing. If you can't get the timing right, you will have your shorts handed to you. Saying a stock is ripe for shorting and not having a specific timeframe has no context. You can say a stock is overvalued, but stocks can stay overvalued for very long periods of time. \_ I am not here to make you money or to be blamed if I lose you money. This thing is overvalued. When to short depends on how much Kool Aid you think people will drink. I have an opinion on that. You form your own. \_ By when do you think you'll make money on GOOG by shorting it, and how much Kool Aid do you think GOOG buyers will drink? \_ you didn't answer my question; what do you see as fair value for Google? And why? -tom \_ It doesn't even matter what the fair market value is. All that matters is that 200M more shares are going to hit the market. Any activity before then is meaningless. \_ you still didn't answer the question. If Google's fair market value is $250, it won't matter if more shares hit the market when it's at $180. You seem to be focused on a series of misconceptions and false assumptions. -tom \_ Yes, it will matter! Today's price is not reflective of the price then. If you want to know what it will be worth *then* that's a different question. \_ why do you keep saying there is no reason to compare google with yahoo? though there are differences, yahoo is probably best benchmark for google. the best benchmark for google. \_ but google desktop is so ub3r! \_ Not exactly a Google question, but which has more potential for chicanery, a publicly-traded company or a privately held one? Public companies can have a market bubble or pump-and-dump, but I'd expect a private company would make it easier for an insider (or group of them) to loot the company's assets. \_ In theory it should be harder, but look at Enron. Even the accountants and auditors were to blame. The entire Internet bubble was based on insiders looting public companies. \_ thanks for reminding me about google again. forgot about it already. tricky stock to short, but it is looking more and more delicious. I would consider shorting it after it drops about 20% from a peak. The stock needs to go up further to make my profit bigger. Fellow google short, what do you think? |
2004/10/20-21 [Computer/Companies/Google] UID:34250 Activity:nil |
10/20 Time to short GOOG? It reached 148. \_ Are you actually asking for advice, or is this merely a pretense for the possibility that GOOG does crash so you can gloat with a "haha. told you so." \_ maybe op just wants to tell fellow sodans a good money making opportunity. \_ My prediction: It will fall later, but shorting will be expensive in the short run. -!op \_ that's what I think too. |
2004/10/19 [Computer/Companies/Google] UID:34218 Activity:moderate |
10/19 Hey gay, why are you lying to defend your ass and saying GOOG isn't shortable? It is. Maybe you need a better broker. --gay \_ it's at $151, bought in at $100 babay!!! \_ nice! what is your exit strategy? \_ just got out at $149.8 .. \_ "With a whale like Ishikawa, he didn't see it as winning $10,000, he saw it as losing $100,000, so he upped his bets." \_ Yes, but would BUD DAY short GOOG? \_ Be patient. Let it rise as much as possible. Kick it on the way down, not now. \_ Google's PE is over 200. That's simply insane. If they double earnings it will bring them in line with Yahoo! at 90 which is still insanely high. Or they could drop in half in price. \_ PE is not a very useful metric with a company as young as Google. -tom \_ so what's a good metric? revenue growth? Is its revenue growth that spectacular? I can find companies with similar revenue growth but a much lower PE. revenue growth that spectacular? yahoo's revenue growth is equal if not better and it has a lower PE. \_ look, I don't have time to explain basic investing principles, but I would suggest you project revenues and earnings for Google 5 years out and see what kind of valuation that leaves you with. You can't just look at a column on http://finance.yahoo.com and expect that it's comparable between two different companies, one of which has been public for 8 years and has a significantly different business model. -tom \_ If it is so young how can we project 5 years out? You say there isn't enough data to look at PE but then you want to project that same data 5 years out and make investment statements on that? Nutty. \_ What's so superior about Google's business model? 5 years out? Google is not Walmart. 5 years mean lots of time for various competitors to possibly supplant google's advantages. I would rather buy stocks of a companies I have higher confidence would have higher prices 1 year out. Why would you want to risk getting into a hole, hoping to climb out of it 5 years out, if ever? Still waiting for the reason why the the high PE, PEG, PS is justified. \_ I'm not saying Google's business model is superior, I'm saying you can't compare them directly with Yahoo. Or Amazon, for that matter, or either of those with each other. I didn't say anything about getting into a hole; looking 5 years out is just one way to evaluate an immature company. Certainly, if you don't know how to evaluate immature companies, you shouldn't be investing in Google. There's nothing wrong with sticking to conservative investing; just don't talk about PE ratios when you don't really know what you're saying. -tom \_ You want to project a single set of numbers 5 years into the future? Using what data points to project the angle? You only have 1 data point. \_ actually google is reasonably mature already, and PE ratio is definitely one of the more important factors to look at. I am not the op who said the PE is insane. I am just interested if you know some better metrics that could be used for evaluating google. so far, you haven't said anything. \_ it doesn't matter. there are a lot of stupid people who like google, and some people taking a free ride up. don't fight the momentum. \_ We said that in the late 90s too. \_ trading on momentum is one way to make money. nothing wrong with that. it's just not my cup of tea, and just don't say it's based on fundamentals. \_ Is it just me or is ~6 million/day really heavy volume this far in? \_ Nothing is going to happen to GOOG before 2/14 when the lockups expire. \_ I thought the lock out already ended? \_ There are several and the BIG one (>50% of shares) is 2/14. |
2004/10/12 [Computer/Companies/Google] UID:34046 Activity:nil 50%like:34336 |
10/11 Hmm .... Google is looking more and more attractive as a short. Go Google, go! |
2004/10/3-4 [Computer/Companies/Google, Industry/Startup] UID:33893 Activity:low |
10/4 I *told* you Google is soon to suffer massive brain drain and some ninnies here called me an idiot. Read it and weep! http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20041002/bs_nm/tech_google_dc_3 \_ He makes the point that $1 mil isn't enough to retire on in Silicon Valley. What he misses is, if someone gave me a $1 mil I'd move the heck out of Silicon Valley. \_ That's exactly what I thought when I read the article. Of course we will now bring down the wrath of the Angry Bay Areans by mentioning the heresy of life outside the bay area. \_ Wait, there is life outside of the Bay Area? I thought it was some vast wasteland ... \_ I'm still laughing at you. --googler \_ Laugh away. You present no counter to this link or the logic behind it that google is soon to experience a major brain drain. If you're one of those who stands to make $1m from it, then I'm happy for you. That still doesn't mean google isn't going to get crunched in a few months when all these smart people do the smart thing and retire someplace outside the bay area. With $1m and a casual consulting or part time gig you can live *very* well in most of the country. \_ Still laughing. Sorry, I'm not breaking my confidentiality agreements for you. --googler \_ Mmm, the grapes are, how do you zey, sour? \_ Uh oh, how dare I post a link with factual numbers to back my point? Obviously, a fully backed point is just sour grapes. If you have a counter point with or without link, you're welcome to make it. Until then, you're just cute. |
2004/8/27 [Computer/Companies/Google] UID:33183 Activity:nil |
8/27 Search engines build up their collection of URLs by following links from one URL to another. If you have a page that shows up in google, for instance, how do you tell what pages are linking to that page? \_ I think links:http://www.foo.com should do it. \_ except google doesn't seem to offer page-level precision. |
2004/8/27 [Computer/SW/Languages, Computer/Companies/Google] UID:33181 Activity:high |
8/27 I wanna know how to cuss in different languages, is there a web site dedicated for that? Google doesn't help. ok thx \_ http://www.insultmonger.com/swearing -John \_ your google fu sucks. fuck languages -> first link \_ Dutch-- 5 cuss words French-- too many What a surprise. \_ "Its like wiping your ass with silk!" [restored the last lin e. come on. the merovingian's \_ "Its like wiping your ass with silk!" [restored the last line. come on. the merovingian's accent was terrible] \_ Agreed, but the actor is French. \_ Likely they told him to exaggerate the accent. \_ Will they deport him to Quebec? \_ If we're lucky. \_ Why did you have to remind me of that horriable movie? Augh! \_ The blue pill! |
2004/8/26-27 [Computer/Companies/Google] UID:33154 Activity:high |
8/26 How big is your gmail folder? Mine's about 50 meg so far, still far from 1 gig... \_ I was up to 90% capacity, only because someone was sending me an episode of Macross Zero. \_ Since I don't put anything important on a beta platform.... \_ I will personally pay you $100 if Gmail loses your data. -- misha. \_ zero. My mail server has 250gigs free and I can do anything I want with the mail, aliases, etc. What do I need gmail for? \_ here, have a sandwich. \_ a stale sandwich is more useful than gmail. \_ two stale sandwiches? |
2004/8/24-25 [Computer/Networking, Computer/Companies/Google] UID:33122 Activity:high |
8/24 Is there any physical difference between USB 1.1 and 2.0? Google is being unhelpful. \_ The sockets are the same, but the cable needs to support 2.0 speeds. "USB 1.1 certified" cables will work with 2.0 since that's how it's spec'd, but not all cables are even 1.1 certified. http://www.experts-exchange.com/Hardware/Q_21083579.html USB hubs and devices are either 1.1 only, or 2.0 and backwards compatible to 1.1. \_ What, may I ask, makes the difference between 1.1 and 2? What is the cause of the faster speed? \_ From what I read, it's an increase in raw signalling rate, with a drop in current to reduce noise, and of course something else to indicate the speed. google usb nutshell. \_ How would a drop in current reduce noise? \_ You're reading it the wrong way. It reduces noise for non-USB components. \_ What!?? Please elaborate. |
2004/8/20-21 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers, Computer/Companies/Google] UID:33046 Activity:very high |
8/20 Anybody else troubled by Google's valuation and growth prospects? I don't think their ad supported revenue model can grow much higher. When I first started using google I clicked on those links. But after a few times of not finding what I wanted I stopped clicking on ad supported links. Same deal with Yahoo. I use yahoo finance everyday. I've mentally tuned out of the ad banners. I barely see them anymore. I think when one becomes used to the web site and becomes a power user of the site, one only looks at the relevant information. The only way an ad can get my attention is if it appears in the same page and blocks the text I'm reading. Only using IE do I see those. Google is the best search engine out there. But if people aren't clicking on those ad links, they will lose advertisers. \_ I block ads using the AdBlock Firefox plugin which works pretty nicely to and often removes even the space where the ad would be. Ha ha! fuck you, Internet! Google's ads don't bother me but then I never click them either. Other people must though and re: the guy below intentionally googling for ads, well I don't buy that much stuff but it's a case where Google's ad model is the most useful to me versus any other web site. If I bought more stuff that is. \_ The quality of Google's searches has dropped dramatically in the last year similar to what we saw circa 1999 or so. "Best search engine out there" doesn't mean what it used to. Everything used to be a front page hit with a few key terms. Now I can punch in 6 or more very specific terms, double quote phrases, etc, and not find something until 10+ pages deep. \_ I agree, and it makes me sad. What makes me even sadder is that this is inherent to how google works. Google made an HTML link valuable. The market does the rest. -- ilyas \_ YOUR FU IZ WEAK, MINE 1Z STRONG! \_ I buy really hard to find expensive stuff fairly frequently, and I often use google specifically with the intention of clicking on their targeted ads. I have no idea how much money that makes google, but I definitely find it useful. It seems to me that this kind of advertising is very useful for companies that sell small numbers of really expensive stuff, like microfabrication equipment. \_ Part of the problem is that click-through remains the main standard for evaluating the effectiveness of Internet advertising. With other forms of visual ads, such as billboards, advertisers can only assess the outcome of a campaign by its effect on sales. They don't expect "click-through" because there is no such thing. Internet advertising often works on the same subconcious level as a billboard or a television commercial, so why should be it held to this higher standard? This doesn't necessarily apply to paid placement of text as it doesn't really penetrate subconciously the way a strong image can - I guess I'm thinking more of banner ads, which you refer to. \_ It isn't a case of "should be". It is a case of "can be" so it is. As an advertiser you would insist upon using an available and valuable metric like click throughs. \_ AdWords advertisers pay per click. The clickthrough is not the most important metric to them. \_ If it is measurable, it should be measured. As the paying customer, the advertiser, why would you not want to see the available metrics showing the effectiveness of your ad on that site and pay by that? \_ Except that the "value" of advertising, at least in the case of mass market brands, is the subconsious impact of the advertising image itself. Why do you think SuperBowl ads are so expensive? Millions of eyes thinking they're ignoring that Coca-Cola logo in front of them. Your point is more valid in the case of niche markets. advertising image itself. Why do you think SuperBowl ads are so expensive? Millions of eyes thinking they're ignoring that Coca-Cola logo in front of them. Your point is more valid in the case of niche markets. \_ If they could measure it, you know they would and there would be contracted financial terms based in part on those measurements. Since they don't have hard numbers, they spend a lot of money on market research to determine how effective an ad campaign was. They don't just spend millions of dollars on an ad and hope for the best. \_ Gmail + Google Search == The most powerful market research firm ever. They intend to make money by predicting where you will go next (past performance is a good indicator of future direction) and selling that information. \_ As if you knew. |
2004/8/16-19 [Computer/Companies/Google] UID:32929 Activity:high |
8/19 So when can Google be shorted? Is that possible already? What about options? \_ As soon as it starts trading. You can't short or option it when there's no price. \_ I thought the SEC imposes a waiting period. \_ Why do you think Google should be shorted? -tom \_ Very high P/E ratio, uncertain prospects for growth, and a lot of privately-held stock remaining to be sold. -!op \_ They have been trying their best to diversify, but YHOO is a veteran at this. At or below YHOO within 6 months. -!op \_ In what way is GOOG above YHOO now? -tom \_ share price, buzz, YHOO is time-tested \_ which is completely meaningless. -tom \_ to the knowledgable investor, which would be great in a market driven by said investors. \_ Here's some news for you: people who don't know the difference between share price and market cap are not the ones driving the market. -tom \_ is this how it should be, how it is, or somewhere in between? \_ Ask BRKA. -tom \_ don't ask an exception to the rule for objective advice. In any case, opening price is a big deal for IPOs. Otherwise there wouldn't be so many articles in major publications written about it. Follow your own axiom 1. I even feel stupid writing GOOG goes down because it wants to match YHOO, but I can't help but feel it will end up being true. \_ You feel stupid because it's a stupid thing to say. You want to bet on GOOG vs. YHOO? -tom \_ No, for personal reasons, I won't bet in this specific instance. (But I would still put money on YHOO vs. GOOG. And while I agree it *feels* like a "stupid thing to say", I still say it will probably end up being true.) \_ Okay, okay, you got me. P/E between YHOO and GOOG are similar. I thought they were different. I am lame. Revised, it doesn't make sense if GOOG drops below YHOO in share price -- it could happen, but only if investors are dumb *and* GOOD really messes it up. \_ Google treats options as an expense and books them as such. Yahoo does not. Want to run your numbers again, grasshopper? \_ Hey, I have no credibility now, stop bothering me. Go bother tom. \_ Short YHOO, too. They are both overvalued. \_ according to what metrics? \_ So forth and speculate. \_ This doesn't answer your q, but GOOG peaked a couple hours ago ... \_ A long slow peak at 104 and now settling around 100... \_ I say $80 within a week! $30 within six months! Rationale? GOOG wants to be at or below YHOO in price per shr. GOOG owners want GOOG to go up from $100, of course. \_ Care to put your money where your mouth is? \_ So when can Google be shorted? Is it possible already? \_ why don't you just try it? I personally lack the mindset for shorting. All the shorts I picked eventually turned out to be right (eg. shorted PMCS at above 20), but I always gave up too early. \_ You've got 30 (calendar) days to wait. Right now, I suspect that that the extra 20% of stocks that were held back from the IPO are going to slowly start flooding the market dropping the price. |
2004/8/12 [Computer/Companies/Ebay, Computer/Companies/Google] UID:32874 Activity:nil |
8/12 Oh great, google auction to begin on Friday the 13th, haha. \_ not funny, I'm being forced to file tomorrow :P (summer filing deadline) |
2004/8/5 [Computer/Companies/Google, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:32728 Activity:nil |
8/6 I am upset, my motd bitching is being archived forever like google/gmail? This is fucked up. The motd should be purged every now and then. Does kchang work for google? Is he into archiving everything?? \_ You know motdedit records your id in a root read-only file right? \_ this is bullshit. \_ Then why haven't we caught the evil purgers yet? \_ If you care just fork motdedit and add your own privacy safeguards. \_ You know that the above person is shitting you right? \_ Yes, but I do have my own version of motdedit in case whoever owns /csua/bin/me decides to change it. Btw, I do use the same merge routine so I'm not overwriting your post or anything like that. \_ You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of motd h0z3rs. (In other words, your peers.) |
2004/8/2 [Computer/Companies/Google] UID:32635 Activity:high |
8/2 Maybe old news but try this: google "miserable failure" \_ I always found google's one-sided little political jokes funny. -- google #1 fan \_ google: earth, sun, orbit. it turns out the earth goes around the sun. \_ so old, it's fossilized by now \_ A simillar one is "weapons of mass destruction" \_ I still gets a big laugh out of this one, haha. \_ I always wanted to see people make "pyramid scheme" return with http://www.ssa.gov \_ That is a great idea. I'm game, let's at least see how high we can get it, spread the word. \_ Do you even know what a pyramid scheme is??? \_ Yes. It's a pyramid scheme because current beneficiaries are paid more than they put in because there's a larger group of people paying in to the system right now. Future benefits are in danger because there will not be enough people to support the current benefit level unless the benefit is reduced or new suckers have to pay in a higher level. \_ perhaps you really ment 'ponzi scheme' \_ No, I didn't. \_ I always wanted "twink" to return tom's site \_ I always wanted "tom holub" to return http://www.instantdegrees.com \_ Are you so craven and pathetic that your only recourse againts people you dislike consists of anonymous random ad hominem attacks on the motd? You're sad. \_ gee, you're really clever, kchang. -tom |
2004/7/26 [Computer/Companies/Google] UID:32479 Activity:high |
7/25 To the person who said Google was giving them a 403, it seems the new MyDoom virus is overworking google, causing an accidental DOS. <DEAD>isc.sans.org/diary.php?isc=d46940064182f61f40ca333bc3c2f439<DEAD> Google seems to be blocking some types of queries related to email addresses, as well as some IP ranges. \_ any connection between this thread that the thread below is purely coincidental. move along. nothing to see here. \_ Thanks. Using http://av.com for now. |
2004/6/22 [Computer/Companies/Google] UID:30951 Activity:very high |
6/22 Who the FUCK deleted my gmail question? \_ It was probably a retaliatory nuke to irritate whatever cocksucker has been censoring all the politics today. \_ probably a yahoo employee \_ Why take the effort to post this without recapping the q? --aaron \_ 1) it was answered by many people, 2) enough with gmail. this isn't the gmail chat forum or support site. \_ The motd isn't many thing, but are all discussed here. \_ When half the motd is about gmail, it's too much. This isn't the gmail support center. They should go host their own message boards or make an easier to find email link. |
2004/6/21-22 [Computer/Companies/Google] UID:30941 Activity:high |
6/21 Is this a joke? I tried "shanghai" in gmail, and I got sanjeev.sisodiya is not available, but the following usernames are: \_ i think it's a server hiccup. when i was checking for available usernames, i got some strange ones returned like you did. \_ same here \_ Beta. Anyone who uses gmail for real email they don't want to lose is an idiot. \_ NO, YOU ARE THE IDIOT, FUCK OFF THE MOTD!! \_ *laugh* Another trollish slashdot fiend drools on the motd. \_ lol, you are an idiot! \_ heh, better an idiot than an ass, ass. \_ ha, but you the stupid arse. |
2004/6/21-23 [Computer/Companies/Google] UID:30927 Activity:very high 66%like:30889 |
6/23 Wheee! More free Gmail invites. Email me. -dgies \_ This is such a great marketing scam. Whipping up the masses to fight over access to be a beta tester and keeping Gmail endlessly in the news. Of course this is the exact opposite of the right way to get a variety of people to test a new product. \_ They don't want beta testers. They're constructing a social map (similar to orkut/friendster) of the techno-elite, probably \_ wow. There goes the neighborhood: http://www.orkut.com/Profile.aspx?uid=3754490903895861645 http://www.orkut.com/Profile.aspx?uid=9996167195013252263 just to get their fingers on the pulse of the net. It may be that they'll never open the service to the masses; you have to know someone already in there. \_ The true 'techno elite' don't need or want a gmail account. The people most psycho over it are all on slashdot. There are some slashdot people who aren't idiots but overall it isn't techno-elite time overe there. \_ Gmail seems to work better than any other free email I've seen. For whatever reason, for me it's fast, uncluttered, and the search feature is good. Plus it has the most storage space. So while there's a surplus of hype, it's a good email service. It's an interesting extension of Google... if gmail becomes huge, Google becomes basically "the internet", with all forms of internet content going through them. Pretty neat, and a huge adv. leverage. I've never ever clicked one of the ads tho. \_ How does Google become "the internet" any more than Yahoo or AOL? Yahoo provides the same services as Google and many more that Google does not. When we get Google-Date that can find people their perfect match in a few simply clicks then you're talking. \_ Well ok, it's mainly hype. My main point was that it is indeed a better webmail service at this time. http://somethingawful.com has a gmail article now that's worth a chuckle. \_ I got a gmail account, and all I got was this lousy message: Gmail is temporarily unavailable. Cross your fingers and try again in a few minutes. We're sorry for the inconvenience. \_ They don't call it beta for nothing. \_ I got this too initially, just wait a while for the account creation to go through. Not a very good first impression though. ;) \_ They're gone for now. Maybe more later. -dgies \_ More! More! We want more! \_ What the heck would I need a Gmail account for? Someone invited me to orkut and WTF would I use that either? I did sign up for it to see what it was, but never logged in since. I agree that this is much ado about nothing. \_ If it won't for gmail, you won't get that 100mb from Yahoo either, so shut the fuck up and get it bitch!! \_ It's the google hype machine in action. In a month or two this will be Yet Another Free Email Service With Ads unless you're a slashdot moron in which case you'll always feel superior knowing you had a 3 or 4 digit Google ID. \_ Gmail is quite different from your average free mail with ads. It groups emails by conversation, and does not clutter up your inbox. If you had 10 corresponds with this one person, it will just show up as one entry in the inbox. Click this entry and you will see all emails related to this conversation. It's also light and fast. Very nifty. I am no fan of their privacy policy however. But as a techie, I like their interface very much. \_ Hmm sounds like stuff I used to do with (n)mh+mh-e+gnus back in 1994. \_ Sure, word looks like edlin too. \_ Why not keep your e-mail on your own PC? What good is 1 GB of free e-mail storage?! \_ I got some too, thanks to dgies! I'll give away the next two invites posted here! \_ OK, they're gone for now. -dgies |
2004/6/18 [Computer/Companies/Google] UID:30889 Activity:insanely high 66%like:30927 |
6/18 Still need a Gmail invite? Email me. -dgies \_ OK, they're gone for now. More should come later. \_ you realize that you can make $40 a pop on eBay right? \_ They're going for more like $5. And I'd feel like a jerk for charging for what I got for free. -dgies \_ If only hookers felt the same way.... \_ But I can't catch a virus by giving you gmail. \_ but I can by getting it from you. \_ USE LINUX! \_ Next time you could give them to the troops: http://www.wilwheaton.net/mt/archives/cat_computers.php |
2004/6/17-18 [Computer/Companies/Google] UID:30874 Activity:high |
6/17 Gmail has some pretty funky stuff going on. It appears to have automatic duplication removal, and aggressive loop detection. I sent a mail to my other account from gmail, which should forward back to gmail, I never got the email. I sent a mail to two of my email address that forwards to gmail, I only got one copy. Interesting.... \_ Or maybe gmail is just broken? It's beta, eh? \_ They might be filtering on SPF. Without an aware remailer, the forwards might get dropped. --scotsman \_ What's SPF? The forward works fine. It's only mail that I sent from gmail to my forwarded email address gets dropped. \_ "v=spf1 a:mproxy.gmail.com a:rproxy.gmail.com -all" They're publishing SPF; chances are they're filtering on it too. --dbushong |
2004/6/17 [Computer/Companies/Google] UID:30867 Activity:high |
6/17 So when will CSUA give us 1 or 2 GB of storage??!! ;) \_ Don't be stupid. \_ sarcasm-detector disabled? \_ modprobe: Can't locate module sarcasm-detector \_ more to the point, when is someone going to write gmailFS? \_ Agreed. This could be the next great p2p system. \_ When the CSUA gets a 4TB disk array. \_ http://gmail-is-too-creepy.com |
2004/6/17 [Computer/Companies/Google] UID:30865 Activity:very high |
6/17 Anyone here still want a gmail account who hasn't gotten one yet? \_ Fuck gmail, I want pre-IPO stock. \_ I'll wait until it goes public. thanks. \_ yes \_ i have some spare invitations. post your email address if you want one \_ can I get one? -chiry \_ I want one too! -ecchang \_ Me, too! -jose \_ sorry, no mas... though I'll be happy to send you one if I get more invites tomorrow (been getting ~4/day) \_ Hey, add me to the list. -emarkp \_ I'd love to have one. -darin \_ So should I mail the invite to anonymous@csua ? \_ "Gmail is temporarily unavailable. Cross your fingers and try again in a few minutes. We're sorry for the inconvenience." \_ Mine works fine. --person with account \_ Really? I just tried again and got the same thing. --newacct \_ Now working. I get "You don't have any mail! Our servers are feeling unloved." I am beginning to like it already! |
2004/6/12 [Computer/Companies/Google] UID:30768 Activity:nil |
6/11 Think again before you buy a google stock: http://tinyurl.com/264rk (money.cnn.com) |
2004/6/10 [Computer/Companies/Google] UID:30725 Activity:very high |
6/10 As time goes on I get more and more invitation tickets on http://gmail.com and I'm beginning to understand what they're doing. Their entire mail system is going to be based on referrals in order to keep track of user dependency graph and spammers, and if one guy invites too many spammers that guy will be taken off. Simple, yet brilliant. \_ so basically all the folks ebaying their invites may get screwed. \_ Why would spammers send spam through gmail? They have plenty of open relays at their disposal. \_ Damn you are a paranoid freak. |
2004/6/4 [Computer/Companies/Google] UID:30609 Activity:nil |
6/4 pr0n more popular than google: http://money.cnn.com/2004/06/04/technology/porn_search.reut/index.htm |
2004/5/20 [Computer/Companies/Google] UID:30317 Activity:nil |
5/20 GMail users: Did anyone get a TB of storage? http://reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=internetNews&storyID=5195988 \_ It was a bug. It's in beta. |
2004/5/5 [Computer/Companies/Google] UID:30028 Activity:high |
5/5 If google ends up going public, could shareholders or others complain how they make special "google doodles" (the cartoons on their google logo in honor of special events/holidays) for some holidays but not others? \_ The IPO is being structures so that new shareholders have almost no voting power. \_ You could complain about anything you want, and I'm sure it will get exactly the consideration it deserves. |
2004/5/5-6 [Computer/Companies/Google] UID:30025 Activity:very high |
5/5 Can anyone who works at google send gmail invites to as many people as they want? or is it limited to only certain employees who are involved with gmail? \_ As I understand it, all Google employees get 50 invites. Everyone they invite gets 2 invites. Everyone *those* people invite get no invites except through random luckiness. \_ that's already at least 1TB of data. how much does storage cost these days? \_ compression? \_ 1TB is not considered a lot of data at google. --aaron \_ 1tb is not a lot of data. Period. \_ how many TB's do they have, in anticipation of many more gmail users? \_ google admits to "10,000+" machines. make a (poor) assumption of a single 80GB disk. 800,000GB = 800TB. \_ no, mass storage doesn't work like this. they'll be buying mass storage in 100tb chunks in raid arrays if they're serious. the alternative is they came up with their own funky storage technique but it isn't about zero likely to be an 80 gig drive per box they own for gmail. \_ Actually that's exactly what it is: link:csua.org/u/776 They probably put several disks in each box. Given the time this was implemented, it's probably 40 gig drives, but hey. -dans \_ Different service, different needs. It would be silly to do this for a multi tb mail service. Got anything that says they do this for gmail? \_ If you read your own link you'd see exactly what went in the boxes. If you did the math from the link you'd see it doesn't add up (as usual) to what they claim in the same article. If you looked at their storage and performance numbers and compared their costs to a pure storage solution instead of their one-size-fits-all "use lots of low end boxes" model, you'd see that they're actually getting worse performance and paying more per tb than a more traditional solution. GFS, indeed. This is the one big problem with geeks running the show. They did a very cool filesystem but it doesn't cut it on the cost/ benefits as a business solution. Too many techie PhDs scratching itches and no one doing the basic $$$ math to see if it made any sense in the real world. \_ I got invited by a Google employee and got no extra invites. \_ same here. actually, I take that back, I just checked and saw that i have two invitations. \_ Gmail doesn't work with cable modem. \_ wrong \_ Where are they? I would like to <strikeout>sell</strikeout> send out two invites. \_ It's in red below the search filter and says: Invite a friend to join Gmail! |
2004/4/30-5/1 [Computer/Companies/Google, Recreation/Dating] UID:13496 Activity:kinda low |
4/30 How does the SafeSearch feature in http://images.google.com's filter out porn images? Does it have software to detect the amount of skintone colors in the images? \_ Search for "La Blue Girl" in quotes or "urabon." Apparently, it's some sort of language-based filter. \_ http://ipatterson.com/projects/images/blue-girl.jpg \_ that's actually a pretty nice photograph, too bad it looks like it was taken during a football game we were losing \_ there was a recent article i read on how google is getting a lot of flak for the pretty shitty quality of safesearch. apparently, it gets confused by substrings like sex or girl, so sites with stuff like "essex" or "littlegirlclothing" get censored. \_ I love how people love to nitpick at Google. If they have such problems why don't they write their own search engine or just not use Google? \_ actually, this was in the context of legitimate sites getting censored. as you may be aware, for many sites, google visibility can be a make-or-break factor. |
2004/4/30-5/1 [Computer/Companies/Google] UID:13484 Activity:high |
4/29 Has anyone got notice about gmail? I signed up for information as soon as I heard the news on the radio but haven't gotten anything from them. \_ It's still invitation only. The only people who have accounts right now are Google employees, their friends, then each of them were just allowed to invite 2 more people. \_ Well, the beta service has been an invite-only thing. It helps if you know someone at Google. \_ Gmail is just pre-IPO PR noise. Until you can get an account without silly invites and it is officially out of beta, it does not exist as anything more than pre-IPO fluff and hype. |
2004/4/29 [Computer/Companies/Google] UID:13465 Activity:moderate |
4/29 I just got invited to gmail, and FUCK all the names are taken already! Anyways, has anyone tried the archive feature yet? I don't have enough mails to say whether it's good or not. \_ How do you get invited to gmail? what do i need to do to qualify? \_ That 6 character minimum for a login bites. \_ Try analsex, buttboi, oralsex. When I got my account, those were all still available. \_ they 'reserved' anything with profanity in it, i haven't tried other languages, i couldn't get 'whitepower' - danh \_ Is uttbay_iratepay still available? \_ is linus.torvalds taken? Get that and post to linux.kernel. \_ you're so clever! |
2004/4/29 [Computer/Companies/Google] UID:13461 Activity:nil |
4/29 Google files for IPO. \_ Yeah thanks for the hot tip. Is the sky blue too? |
2004/4/27 [Computer/Companies/Google, Industry/Startup] UID:13399 Activity:nil |
4/27 There are all kinds of rumours about Google doing an IPO this week. My question, how does a little guy like me get a piece of the action, and is it worth it? \_ As a general rule, if little guys are getting a piece of the action, it's not worth it. -tom \_ If you know so little about how IPOs work such as silent periods, announcements, etc, then you have no business throwing your money away in the market. Go buy some lottery tickets. \_ Girls of Google! (though if you are truly a little guy this may not be a viable strategy) |
2004/4/12-13 [Computer/Companies/Google] UID:13157 Activity:nil |
4/12 I don't get the logic of those suing google about Gmail. It's an invasion of privacy? But it's a choice. For a free 1 Gig email account, what do I care if some automated non-human searches my mail and spits me out an advertisement. And if I don't like it, I don't need to use Gmail. I just don't see the logic of the lawsuit. \_ What lawsuit? I have heard nothing about this. \_ kinney!!1!1 \_ Quit crucifying him already. \_ The Passion of The Kinney. |
2004/4/8 [Computer/Companies/Google] UID:13082 Activity:high |
4/8 How/where do I get google mail? \_ Now: From your friend who works at google. Later: http://gmail.com \_ http://www.google.com/search?q=gmail |
2004/4/6-7 [Computer/Companies/Google, Computer/Theory] UID:13045 Activity:nil |
4/6 Looking for introductory material on SVM, C4., Ripper, and Naive Bayes. Most of the junk on google are too deep for comprehension. I just need introductory material. ok thx \_ http://paulgraham.com / google "A Plan For Spam" \_ where did you hear about all of these terms? did you learn about them with regards to spam filtering? naive bayes is a specific text classification strategy. SVM and C4 are generic classifiers. \_ which one is most powerful? \_ dude, you're asking a hardcore computer science theory question. Most of the people here are sysadms (they don't even know how to do FFT in their sleep). Wrong place. \_ Naive Bayes is hardcore if you call counting hardcore. SVM stuff isn't really CS, although AI people use it (they are big on separating things with planes). Also, the poster above is wrong, Naive Bayes is also a general classifier. An interesting thing about classifiers is that you don't want the one that's 'most powerful' because it will overfit. You want one that's barely smart enough to work. Statisticians call this 'bias/variance tradeoff'. -- ilyas \_ I'm a sysadmin. I graduated with a ~3.5 in CS. I sysadmin because the options are 1) coding which I hate and it's all going to India anyway, 2) I don't want a MS/PhD because I like to eat and pay my bills, 3) I work for about 1.5 hours a day and get paid more than almost every coder I've ever met. Instead of being bitter that you work harder for less while always having to worry about when your job is going offshore, you should learn some industry best practices and get paid to surf like me. What good is FFT in your sleep if in your waking hours you're looking for a non-existent job in your field? None of this applies to the PhDs and most MS people who can always teach if they must. \_ FFT? \_ Final Fantasy Tactics! \_ Fast-fourier transform. \_ this is very sad. |
2004/4/2 [Computer/Companies/Google] UID:29898 Activity:high |
4/1 Any bets on whether gmail is real or a hoax? Last I heard, gullible returns 0 results in google. \_ I'd say it is real. it was announced yesterday. 'whois http://gmail.com' and link:gmail.google.com \_ updated today: link:www.gmail.com with link to "Learn more" \_ wonder what they're doing iwth the people who had @gmail.com addy before. google for "gmail.+com" \_ free @gmail.com accounts? \_ Real. Confirmed with Google employee working on it. |
2004/3/31-4/1 [Computer/Companies/Google] UID:12959 Activity:nil |
3/31 Google to offer free email with a gigabyte(!!!) quota http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/business/8323739.htm \_ They're trying to become another yahoo? That seems a little dangerous. Though, approaching the portal market from the basis of a good search engine may work quite well.. hmm... \_ Seems like a great way to trade warez... \_ huh? \_ It's step toward allowing for personalized searches. \_ ah, another mad rush for usernames. \_ they may analyze your email. \_ "Smithers ... do you think the radiation from my plant killed those ducks?" "There is ... no maybe about it, sir." "Excellent!" \_ Eeeeeevil Republican corporations making money again!! How dare they!! \_ Except I think Google is pretty liberal and Democrat, as corporations go. Don't they offer domestic partner benefits? \_ http://www.google.com/jobs/sw-bangalore.html \_ http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_558848,00030015.htm -John \_ They conquered searching, now on to doing something else right. |
2004/3/24 [Academia/Berkeley/Classes, Computer/Companies/Google] UID:12832 Activity:nil |
3/24 I have an interview at google soon for some sort of sysadmin position. The HR person said google has "the google way" of interviewing. What does that mean? Are there any google people here or people who have interviewed there recently on the motd? What should I expect? I'm scheduled for about 4.5 hours including lunch with a manager. Thanks! \_ The have a set of problems they want you to solve and will split them amongst the sets of people who will interview you. They then hand off the checklist from group to group. Some of the questions are very random "thinking process" type questions and some are actually applicable to the IT slot you are interviewing for. \_ think of random names that you can drop to show your knowledge. you'll probably have at least one stanfurd or cal grad... so you can make an acute reference to P&H and how that relates to sysadminning. this sounds like an asshole maneuver, but the purpose is to bond with the interviewer and make them nostalgic of the good ol college days. also, it's always good to touch up on random puzzle questions. -!google employee \_ Dropping BS in an interview is a great way to get a job you don't want. Be yourself, think of some good questions and don't take any crap. Remember, you need to decide if *you* want to work there, just as they need to decide if they want you to work there. \_ What is "P&H"? \_ Patterson & Hennessy I'd guess. Textbook for cs61c. \_ If you need to reference a lower division text to impress someone on an interview, don't. Your interviewer will not be impressed. \_ They use that book in CS 152 and there is also a graduate version of the book too. You can reference Sussman&Sussman if you think you're elite. \_ Do they use Patterson & Hennessy in CS152 also? How weak. I thought they used to teach H&P in that class. \_ Just avoid referencing text books in general. Text books are not impressive. \_ I can never keep P&H and H&P straight. \_ Um, what the fuck does P&H have to do with system administration? \_ If I say fuck, I mean fuck. Please don't censor it ``for the children.'' - worked as a sysadmin, TA'ed with Patterson, and guest lectured for 61C \_ doesn't p&h cover the basics of "what is a processor", "what is a disk", "what is io", "what is memory", etc.? probably useful for your advanced sysadmin. \_ Sounds more like a requirement to call yourself an advanced sysadmin. \_ Expect them to ask you for your GPA and SAT scores. No joke. \_ They never asked me this. -- ilyas \_ IIRC they didn't offer you a job either. Perhaps they didn't feel the need. \_ Perhaps. I would be surprised if they asked this of anyone, they seemed more clue-enabled than that. Also I know some google employees, and their GPAs... -- ilyas |
2004/3/9-10 [Computer/Companies/Google] UID:12589 Activity:nil |
3/8 How do I make google search my new domain name? \_ google is dead. \_ long live google. \_ http://www.google.com/addurl.html \_ google does not search domain names. it searches websites. put a website on your domain and point some links to it. The Web != The Internet. |
2004/2/2 [Computer/Companies/Google] UID:12069 Activity:high |
2/2 My google fu is weak. Can anyone provide a link to the story of the high school boy and girl who were assigned to write a collaberative story and the boy keeps trying to make it a rayguns and rocketship story and the girl keeps trying to make it a love story? It wasn't amusing enough to save it when i first was sent it but now I want to show it to someone. Surely someone out there still has this. (Hell, I'm sure someone, somewhere is getting it in their email even now). \_ http://www.hehe.at/funworld/archive/fun4you.php?joke=1994 \_ tnx motd! \_ Bow down to your Google Masters! \_ I blame Google's 10 word limit for me not finding the story. Well, that and the fact that i was searching for "collaberative" instead of "tandem" :( |
2004/1/2-5 [Consumer/Camera, Computer/Companies/Google, Computer/Theory] UID:11648 Activity:nil |
1/2 Computer science question for you PHDs out there. What would be the feasibility of a program that, given a set of images that form a mosaic, produce the "most correct" composite image, based upon some definition of correctness that could be supplied in advance (color compatibility, smoothness of lines, etc)? For instance, such a mosaic could be a 360 series of photos that form a panoramic photograph. Such a program wouldn't necessarily need to be perfect, and any of amount of "hints" could be given to the program as well as the input images. This might already exist, or it might be solving the halting problem - I don't know. I'm asking the question for a materials science post-doc friend of mine that is working with crystal lattice images. --lye \_ Does the camera rotate as it takes pictures? Is there overlap between individual images? At its most general, this problem involves object recognition and so is vision-hard. There are some papers on this problem, google for obvious things to find them. \_ such programs exist. if the camera undergoes pure rotation and no translation about the optical center, the problem is very easy to solve (assuming overlap between the views). other- wise it's harder and you have to rely on some kind of approximation because you need to know the 3D geometry of the scene. other things that help: if you know the exact motion of the camera, the problem is easy again. -ali \_ There is a ton of literature on this kind of problem, which is known as "registration." A standard approach is to define some kind of error function (distance between edges, or distance between overlapping pixels in color space, etc) and try to minimize it over the space of transformations. An algorithm that works well for a lot of problems of this type in the pairwise case is called "iterative closest point," due to Besl and McKay. If you don't know an approximate solution to start with, it is a lot more difficult. -lewis \_ homeslide, iterative closest point requires you to know the 3D geometry of the scene to perform registration. altneratively, you need some kind of parametric transformation model for your images. |
2003/8/21 [Computer/SW/Database, Computer/Companies/Google] UID:29423 Activity:moderate |
8/20 Google calculator http://www.google.com/help/features.html#calculator \_ I dont really get the point of this feature... what does this have to do with web searching? seems pointless to me \_ Just because it has nothing to do with searching doesn't mean it's not cool. \_ Very cool!!! \_ Haven't any of you guys used /usr/bin/units? Sheesh. |
2003/8/9-10 [Computer/Companies/Google] UID:29287 Activity:moderate |
8/10 Dear google employees (and anyone else who may be in the know). Does google penalize for having a bunch of sites on the same I.P. Address? My google ranking just dropped through the floor and the only change has been that A bunch of sites that i'm hosting just got included in google that are all on my same I.P. I suspect it must, since they all link to me so I would have expected their inclusion to help, not hurt. \_ Why do you care so much about your google ranking? \_ i'm a business. \_ What kind of business? \_ there's only 2 kinds of small businesses on the net: porn and spam. \_ you're an idiot who needs to get out more. \_ and candy. Buy more candy! -brain \_ is that the stripper running for CA governor? \_ shes not a stripper.. she an "actress" |
2003/8/7-8 [Computer/Companies/Google] UID:29273 Activity:high |
8/7 Can someone tell me if the following attack will help bring down google? It makes money primarily by selling sponsored links. Web site operators pay something like 25 cents each time a person searches for something and clicks on the sponsored link leading to his page. He has to pay regardless whether the person makes a purchase or moves on without even reading the page. So... build a program that searches for all sorts of keywords and clicks through all the sponsored links. Do this automatically 24x7. The businesses paying for the sponsored links will see traffic go up but not their sales or even "viewing time" because it's all automated. They'll eventually reach a point where paying for the sponsored links is not bringing in new business. So they stop advertising on google. If enough people pull out, google's revenue will dry up. \_ There is no way to quickly kill google. However, as useful as I find google, I fear it will die a death of a thousand cuts, if for no other reason than because they made an html link worth money. This alone will mean that they are pitting themselves against the intellects of every greedy hoser out on the internet, and that's a battle they cannot win. I already found lots of kinds of queries degrade in quality significantly over the last year, because people are starting to find ways to hose google successfully. -- sad google user \_ Why does their pay-per-click marketing mean that every hoser on the internet will want to battle with them? Google can charge for the links because they have a lot of traffic flowing to their site. Not every hoser has that advantage. \_ You don't understand. Because google is useful, and because their algorithm is based on links, links acquire value. As soon as something like that acquires value, hosers will find a way to generate this value for themselves, to the detriment of the community at large. There is no way out for google, because the problem is essential to what they do. -- sad google user \_ Once google's relevance is ruined by people who are gaming the system, someone with a new algorithm will step in to fill the void. That's how google gained momentum in the first place -- they used a different algorithm that worked better than the existing ones. \_ Again, there is no way out, because the problem is fundamental to searching the internet. -- sad google user \_ The tragedy of the commons does not have a technical solution. \_ it's called a cobalt-60 bomb \_ I love when you talk about the tragedy of the commons. It turns me on when you get concerned about the farmers in great britain and how they use their land. Do it some more! \_ is there some search engine you prefer, or do you just want to make the internet less useful? \_ By saying "help bring down", I assume you DO want to bring down Google. Why? \_ yah, why? but, i bet a sustained long term attack would be difficult to sustain from many ips, and even so, the result would probably be a change in their ad pricing structure. \_ His website probably isn't the first link in a search. \_ Some people are just haters and can't stand to see anyone else succeed. \_ Google would just block out the ips you used. What you can do is this: some keywords (like the keywords spammers bid on) are very expensive, on the order of $5 per click. Search for "email marketing" and click on all of the links. \_ Do you think you're the first person to run scripts against google? They get something like 140 million queries/day the last I read. You're going to ruin them by pounding them from 4 or 5 ips? I don't think so. You'll find yourself on an ACL and they and their customers will sort it out in a quick email, end of story. |
2003/8/2-3 [Computer/Companies/Google] UID:29219 Activity:moderate |
8/2 Google groups so bugy. 9 links after a search and only 7 have stuff. They can't even reproduce this: http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&scoring= d&q=spot+salmon+%22santa+cruz%22&btnG=Google+Search \_ True, google sucks. How much have you paid them in the last 4-5 years they've been around? |
2003/6/24 [Computer/Companies/Google] UID:28819 Activity:very high |
6/23 What's a good strategy of landing an interview with Google? \_ Graduate from Stanford with a PhD in CS \_ My friend got an interview(and a job) with them through Taos few months ago. \_ Ask aaron@csua to recommend you. \_ They highly value a Berkeley CS degree too. It helps if you have worked in other search companies. \_ tried many times and didn't get anywhere :o \_ ACM programming contest participation helps. \_ They got my resume from the net, called me, we did phone screen, I talked to idiot child for 20 minutes, told their HR thanks but no thanks if that was one of their superstars. They're also very cultish. Best of luck getting their attention when they're getting 1000+ resumes a day. Anyway, I'm not sure why you'd want to work there anyway. Their long term prospects are minimal in a business sense and there won't ever be an IPO. \_ yeah NO ONE uses google. \_ hey genius, this isn't 1998. You're not paying google a penny for your thousands of free searches. There isn't even a lame ad banner there. The http://www.google.com page is a loss leader. Their business model is not making nearly as much money as their competitors. You're an idiot. \_ Are you being deliberately obtuse, or can't you see the ads presented on the results page? \_ You think they can support their gigantic cluster and bandwidth on those? You and me, we're going into business together if you can sell ads like that at prices high enough to run a business. \_ How do you think google makes money? Do you think they are lying when they say that they are profitable? Targeted searches are worth a lot more than you think. \_ Do I think they're lying? Until they go public and I review their financials I can't know and even then they still might be. \_ To summarize google: it will be the next inktomi! Remember how hot it was? Ask the former inktomi people here. Enjoy the spot light while it lasts. Because it won't. Yahoo, on the other hand, will always be there. \_ google is most definitely not the next inktomi. They have a decent product that's well packaged, well known (The verb, to google), has been able to capitalize on marketing revenue without pissing off a picky user base, and continues to generate interest with new angles. Google made the web usable. It has critical mass. To discount it is folly. \_ Nice PR, no money in being google. \_ inktomi was never hot, except in the minds of Berkeley geeks. \_ Concur. I hadn't evenheard of inktomi until I got here, much less used it. I've been using google every day for geek stuff, academic research, professional research and just plain look ups. I've tried all the other engines I've been told about and nothing else comes close. \_ And how much *money* have you paid google for all that research and web searching? --not 1998 \_ I haven't paid any money to a lot of websites, but they seem to be thriving \_ Seemed that way in 98 too. \_ Hello, do you have ABC/NBC/CBS/FOX/WB or any proramming over the air anything for watching? Not getting any money from you doesn't mean the company won't be successful. - not a google employee \_ Duh, maybe you didn't notice that almost 1/4th of air time is commercials? Google has a big name, but they're a tiny company next to their quieter, bigger and more money making rivals. Hey, whatever, go to google for a job, that just makes it one less person I need to compete with for jobs at real companies. |
2003/4/3-4 [Computer/Companies/Google] UID:27967 Activity:high |
4/3 M$ vs. Google: http://biz.yahoo.com/rc/030402/tech_microsoft_google_1.html \_ good luck, M$. \_ good luck google! --google#1 fan, scared of u$oft. \_ scared? get over it. MS is a company. whatever. \_ and the mafia is just a bunch of guys with strong Sicilian accents wearing suits. \_ seriously, get over it. \_ Never underestimate the power of great gobs of money \_ Classic Vaporware! |
2003/3/17 [Computer/Companies/Google, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:27721 Activity:high |
3/16 Is there a reason why: http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&q=countersteer+vs+leaning comes up with motd as the FIRST LINK??? \_ Maybe because the search terms are unusual and don't often appear together? You know, sort of artifically inflating the relevance? \_ http://www.ntk.net search for 'puerile googlisms'. Google comes up with strange shit sometimes. Plus, we should all know by now that the MOTD is the ultimate authoritative source of Truth. -John \_ amen, father \_ it's aaron's new Infinite Loop RTFM project; you ask on the MOTD and you get directed to Google, you ask on Google and get directed to the MOTD. Brilliant! -tom \_ How to countersteer vs lean on ride biking? |
2003/2/12-7/5 [Computer/Companies/Google] UID:27374 Activity:insanely high |
2/11 My company is trying to boost our position in search engine results. Besides working more keywords into the text of the page, what can we do? \_ Just properly index your page, let google do the rest. For certain search engine (altavista), you can buy keywords, so, just shout out the cash. \_ Are you the same moron who asked a similar question a while ago? Besides the thing you mentioned, you can shoot yourself and your coworkers for being slime. \_ Not the same poster. What's wrong with trying to show up higher in search engine results? Our content is relevant to the searches where we want to show up. \_ If you are relevant, trust google to show you appropriately. Google tries to be fair, we _know_ you aren't, since you are interested only in your site. \_ Google isn't always right. I wouldn't trust google or the crazy cultish fuckers who would there to do anything "fair". They tweak results until what comes back is what the cultists think should come back. They aren't experts in every subject matter nor have they read every page on the web. Google also doesn't index the entire web. You need to put down the google bible and stop trusting the google cult. Anyway, it may not matter in a year or two since google is running out of steam. All that hardware is going to sell for 5 cents on the dollar. \_ when did the massage lady at Inktomi get a csua account? \_ wow, that's some strong anti-google sentiment. They are one of the few "brand names" in the valley that is hiring right now so I think maybe they have some more tricks up their sleeve. |
2003/1/29 [Computer/Companies/Google, Industry/Jobs] UID:27232 Activity:very high |
1/28 Anybody get an unsolicited "I just found your resume"-type job opening email from Google lately? I just got something that seems plausible but can't tell if its just some spammer's attempt to get my email address. \_ don't trust it. google doesn't hire. everyone there is a volunteer. \_ May well be, but then again, I finally got a job when a recruiter mailed me up out of the blue. Still don't know how she found my resume, don't care either. \_ everyone who ever had your resume has resold it dozens of times. \_ Hope no one paid much for it. It's free on my web site. In any event, I'm not complaining about a 6 fig job. \_ probably not an email spammer, but maybe a headhunteror or a wierdo. \_ There is a message envelope, right? Doesn't that sufficiently show that it came from Google? Google is hiring. -mgoodman \_ Maybe... maybe not: http://csua.org/u/893 (fucked company) \_ This is an incoherent rant, even by fc standards. \_ fc has no standards. \_ Will you submit my resume for me? \_ You can reply to these things if you want but it won't matter. These are 99.999% likely to be some sort of bottom feeder recruiter types but replying will *not* get you a job and may in fact ruin your chances if they fax blast you to 5000+ potential employers. I no longer reply to these people as I've never gotten so much as an email reply back. \_ i don't think you have enough statistics to state that number to five digits. \_ You are mistaken. We adhere strictly to 5 Nines quality standards. \_ having dealt with millions of these cretins, I believe I do have five9s quality data to backup that statement's statistical validity. Even if I'm only four9s correct, it still won't get you a job and might ruin your chances of doing so. Just delete. Do not reply to these things. |
2003/1/21 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers, Computer/Companies/Google] UID:27171 Activity:high |
1/21 http://csua.org/u/82c \_ What is this? Work safe? \_ it's text, use lynx \_ It's a story about freakishly large breasts. \_ She should be banned from direct breastfeeding due to suffocation hazard to her baby. Why didn't she even accept bottle-feeding with her own milk despite such a hazard? Maybe there's some sexual desire she needs fulfilled. \_ I think she just wants to get some actual use out of those things. |
2002/12/15-17 [Computer/Companies/Google, Computer/SW/Security] UID:26819 Activity:moderate |
12/13 I was reading somewhere something that implied that google's popularity algorithm could tell if the link to your site in someone's page was "hidden." Can someone here confirm: if I have a link to may page on another page that is either a.) The same color text as background or b.) a "spacer" image that is a link. Will Google discount that link? \_ No one knows how google really works. A form of security through obscurity to protect their pagerank thing. 12/now Hey do ya think we could get the motd any shorter and more boring? Let's see: 1) a link to chapter 1 of an old book, 2) trivial dns lookup issue, 3) emacs question with joke answer. Why bother even having a writable motd if it's going to be stripped of *everything* worth reading? There's no technical questions/answers, no cool stuff about, well... *anything*! And it's always worse on the weekend when there's fewer bored people at work to add new things. [*laugh* and then the same idiot deletes this whole thing] \_ If you're so strapped for amusement that you rely on the motd, I weep for you. \_ weep away, just stop erasing everything. just because im pathetic doesn't mean im not right about others stripping the motd. \_ who knows? what makes these fucking censors tick? why do they want the motd to become pointless? mysteries we may never know. \_ Instead of trying to beat the system, why don't you just try to make your page better and more relevant? How hard do you really think it is to detect that technique? Can you guess how many people we have who work on quality full-time to prevent this kind of thing? --aaron@google \_ because, 1.) I am starting a new service which competes with long-existing services, Since I am funding this all myself, I can not affort to pay SEO's to place "legitimate" links on their already ranked web sites. 2.) Part of the service i am offering to clients is that there page will not link back to my page which in turn links to a bunch of their competitors. This basically hozes me, since my competition creates sites that then link back to themselves, racking up points, but i am not going to be able to do this. Because of this, my site could very easily be much better and "more relevant" and still not have as high a score as my competition. -cuek_saja@yahoo.com \_ If your site is good, people will come, regardless of what you do. If your site is bad, people will not come, regardless of what you do. If you are starting to ask these sorts of questions now you have already lost. \_ BS. If they can't find the site, they'll never know whether it's good or not. \_ Consider: http://www.google.com didn't have to circumvent google. People found it because it was good. Be good, don't be evil. \_ As for your second question, i think the color trick would be easy to dectect but the image trick would be hard. |
2002/11/9 [Computer/Companies/Google] UID:26484 Activity:high 50%like:26311 |
11/8 Google toolbar now does distributed computing. Whoo! \_ I want to give free computing power to google because...? \_ because you want to. and if you don't, don't press the button. last i checked, it was still opt-in, not opt-out. \_ cute, you rebellious POS. \_ Whatever. The question remains unanswered. \_ this is old. you got randomly chosen. |
2002/11/7 [Computer/Companies/Google] UID:26450 Activity:nil |
11/6 http://65.165.2.251/signs/previews/110618512133.jpg \_ http://csua.org/u/4ef \_ yeah, he killed 20 million Jews just like Hitler did. stupid revisionist beatnik \_ http://csua.org/u/4f0 \_ yeah, he did so poorly at Harvard that Al Gore did better again, stupid revisionist beatnik |
2002/10/27-28 [Computer/Companies/Google] UID:26333 Activity:low |
10/25 THe answer to how to get the google DNA button: http://toolbar.google.com/dc/#trouble3 \_ Who asked? |
2002/10/25-28 [Computer/Companies/Google, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:26318 Activity:low |
10/24 Anyone know how to disable color in vim? I hate it. A search of the manpage and some of google returns on "vim turn off color" turned up no outstandingly good solutions. --PeterM \_ setenv TERM vt100 \_ use a termcap entry that doesn't include color. -tom \_ Use nvi instead. \_ This is really the right answer. vim fucking sucks. --scotsman \_ :syntax off helps, but tom's solution is the only 100% one. --dim \- ObUseEmacsVIM-mode \_ ED! |
2002/10/24-26 [Transportation/Car, Computer/Companies/Google, Computer/SW/OS] UID:26311 Activity:high 50%like:26484 |
10/24 how can i upgrade my google toolbar? \_ Uninstall and reinstall? \_ you don't have to do anything. it auto-upgrades. --aaron@google.com \_ What do you do at google? It doesn't seem like google's changed much from when it started. And how is it pulling in enough revenue to stay alive? \_ He handles searches for H07 42N CH1X0R2 \_ what's that some kind of code? \_ you're joking right? usenet, catalogs, news, realtime crawling... besides main search quality gains. --aaron \_ Don't get me wrong. Google's great but where the hell is it getting its money? \_ you mean you never noticed those "sponsored links" at the top and sides of your search? \_ licensing their search engine? \_ My toolbar at home now does computation in the background, but my work toolbar didn't autoupgrade. i tried installing a new version, but it said it was already installed. \_ Unfortunately, Google does not make it obvious that the toolbar auto-updates itself. IMO, part of the problem is that Google doesn't list the current version number anywhere on the web site. I really have no idea if I'm using the latest version or not unless I try to re-install it. --jameslin \_ i don't think you are making sense here. you don't need to reinstall it. it auto-upgrades. so why do you care about your version number? are you a control freak? --aaron \_ trust the auto-updater, or re-install. your choice. --aaron \_ I uninstalled and reinstalled and I still don't have teh computation option. What gives? |
2002/9/13-14 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/China, Computer/Companies/Google] UID:25870 Activity:high |
9/13 china bans google, then... unbans google \_ i smelt a rat. \_ D'you think that they just wanted to shake down google for bribes? \_ Ewwww. \_ Unbanned, but still 'filtered' \_ Wow, China is clearly following the US in limiting civili liberties! \_ Try to say this aloud while you're in China. \_ I fear saying it in the US! This has become a Nazi state! Bush the Fascist! The sky is falling! I'm no longer free! \_ Yea, you say something not politically correct, and mad dogs immediately attack you from all sides. \_ That's why I bring the Big Stick Of Truth to the motd. It's fun to beat up the PC crowd with it and kills some salaried time each day. |
2002/7/2 [Computer/Companies/Google, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:25267 Activity:nil |
7/2 ufsdumper guy here. While I'm at it, I was wondering what sort of dumping schedule do people use? 0 5 5 5 3? 0 5 5 5 5? 0 0 0 0 0? Also, how do you backup multiple partitions with one fell swoop? I've been reading around on google but there is a lot of conflicting advice. \_ It depends. How big are your backups, how important are they, how much do they change, how long can your system be down if you need to recover from tape, how quick do you need to be able to recover a file from a backup? \_ What about the multiple partitions part? \_ You just dump them sequentially to a NONREWINDING tape device. |
2002/6/19-20 [Computer/Companies/Google] UID:25153 Activity:high |
6/19 All knowing motd, What is the nationality/ethnicity/origin of the surname "Kanarek." Maybe someone who has more search web fu than me can recommend how to find out. The origin-surname-genealogy sites given by google are too weak for this name. \_ Most likely Polish, but could be Czech, Slovak, or one of the minority western slavic languages (Sorbian or whatnot), hypothetically speaking. Based on 3 minutes of googling and knowledge of a Slavic language, I'm fairly convinced that the main occurence of the name is from Polish "kanarek", for (small?) canary. "Kanar-" is the obvious borrowed root, and -ek is a common Slavic diminutive suffix. Not that this precludes the Oriya theory below, but Google gives tons of hits in Poland and with Polish first names, and none with Indian names or in India, so the Polish theory is more likely. (To substantiate this -- do a google image search for "kanarek" and you'll see a few pictures of canaries.) -alexf \_ why don't you just ask her? \- Konarak is famous sun temple in the indian state of Orissa. Are you sure about the spelling? \_ fine. if you dont want to ask her, then go to google and type kanarek and look for other people with that last name to get clue. As a last resort, call up someone in the phone book. These techniques work even when you have no fu. \_ None of these will work if the name is sufficiently rare or a very unusual spelling of a common name. \_ PicsP \_ http://www.republika.pl/aniapal/images/kanarek.jpg <DEAD>www.hobit-pv.cz/obrazky/kanarek.gif<DEAD> -alexf \_ Wow! She's hot! Better than all the h0t 4z1an ch1kz!!! |
2002/6/7-9 [Computer/Companies/Google] UID:25029 Activity:very high |
6/7 Google has a bunch of openings for anyone interested in that sort of abuse. All sorts of stuff for everyone. Craig's List. \_ I wouldn't say "everyone". Seems like there's nothing for "computer science" as such (programming etc.) mostly hr/sales. \_ Google posts a slew of reqs every few weeks, but it's less clear if they actually intend to hire anyone, or if they're just trying to give the illusion of prosperity. \_ mgoodman works for google. \_ mgoodman, so what is it like at Google? \_ I do not start at Google until Monday. -mgoodman \_ abuse? i went out with a hot chick from google once. she had no complaints about the place. \_ sounds like you spent more time looking at her tits than listening to her. anyway, there are jobs if you want one. \_ What cup size? \_ What do you mean by abuse? Gourmet meals? \_ You think the meals make up for the rest? There's a reason they get food. It isn't because they're the only place in the entire universe with enlightened management. Go ahead, apply, tell us how kewl it is. \_ Please enlighten me, What is the problem with Google? \_ yes, please tell us. How hard to they work you there? \_ They get 600+ resumes a day and they currently employ fewer than 300. Good luck. \_ Why is Google abuse? \_ any people you know work at Google? Any CSUA? how hard is it to get a job there? \_ They get tons of resumes but their recruiters called _me_ and I did the phone screen thing. Talked to some child who never worked anywhere but there who didn't know how to do an interview. I got screened out because (and I swear this is true) I wasn't willing to move to mountain view to be closer to work. I lived about 35 minutes away at the time. \_ how do you know the reason they screened you out? Did they volunteer the information or did you ask when they called you back? What did you say? \_ they called me back and told me flat out. said my technical skills were exactly what they were looking for but they were "deeply concerned about my level of commitment" since I wasn't willing to move there. talking to them was like talking to cultists. speaking of cultists ask me about my Maxis interview someday.... \_ Isn't that criteria illegal? \_ any other experiences with google's interview process? \_ My Google fun: apply for position X. They call, say, "oh that position's too junior and low-paying for you, how about position Y?" OK. I phone interview for Y. They love me. Weeks go by. Call back: "OK, how about we phone screen you for position X?" Uh.. but <insert obvious problems>.. what happened to position Y? "Oh, it turns out it isn't really open, it was posted by mistake." Yay. \_ I think you're all brimming with shit. 2 sodans work at google now, it's not impossible to get a job there. \_ how do you know they loved you the first time? What did they tell you at the end of the first phone screen? Expect to go on site? |
2002/4/24-25 [Computer/Companies/Google] UID:24571 Activity:very high |
4/24 Where can I get the ethnic makeup/statistics of the 8 UC campuses? \_ STFW \_ what does this mean? Search the Fucking Web? \_ The second listing on the google search verifies this...Is an common acronym for Search Google You Lazy Fuck? there a well accepted acronym for Search Google You Lazy Fuck? \_ Search on Fucking Google. \_ Search on Google, Fucker. \_ "Searched the web for yermom. Results 1 - 100 of about 2,700. Search took 0.39 seconds" |
2002/4/1 [Computer/Companies/Google] UID:24284 Activity:insanely high |
04/732 Google does April Fools: http://www.google.com/technology/pigeonrank.html \_ Google should do better search and less lame shit. Before Google there was Hotbot, before HB there were other things. There will be a day when Google is "that lame search thing we used to use back in the day". \_ Go stick your head in a pig. \_ I'd like to see you name one thing that *any* other search engine can do better than the way google does it. \_ Go read up on the other 'next generation post google' search engines. It isn't my job to digest and regurgitate inofrmation into a dumbed down format for you. You go to Berkeley. You're supposed to be smart. \_ Now that's a good April Fool's joke. Or are you so thick you truly believe that google is the be-all end-all of 'search' and it's a solved problem and there's no improvements left to be made? Do you also believe the Patent Office should be closed because "everything that can be invented has been invented"? \_ what do you mean? everything already has been invented. sure a few small inventions will be made here and there but now that electronics has been conquered what else realisticaly is there to invent? time machines, quantum computers, and vehicles going faster than light, they are all impossibilities. but feel free to keep amusing yourself. \_ you dont seem to understand what the term 'invention' means. "electronics" is a field not invention. here's another way to think about it: if google has conquered 'search' then why do still have researchers and developers on the payroll? It's been perfected, right? \_ There's still life sciences. And fusion power. And a truly intelligent "ask jeeves". \_ touche. \_ no, http://teoma.com Hahahahahahaha |
2002/1/31-2/1 [Computer/Companies/Google] UID:23740 Activity:low |
1/31 All hail the updated Google Usenet Archive. Though lost for almost a decade, it's finally avilable again: the first Phillip Nunez posting ever: http://groups.google.com/groups?q=author:penn%40mud.upenn.edu&hl=en&selm=zipquify%40vahmifqy.coooool.edu&rnum=7 \_ Also see: http://groups.google.com/groups?q=tawei&hl=en&selm=3tmfio%244p3%40agate.berkeley.edu&rnum=7 Tawei must speak from personal experience. |
2001/12/17-18 [Computer/Companies/Google, Computer/SW/Graphics] UID:23281 Activity:kinda low |
12/17 Does the google cache seem a *lot* slower than it used to be? I recall it used to instantly pull up the cached page. Most of the time it now takes 5-10 seconds and sometimes just dies entirely. I don't have any other browser problems. Just the google cache. \_ Ya, I've noticed this on sites that have graphics. Google doesn't seem to cache all the graphics. If the site is pure text, google returns immediately. \_ yeah... hm... that's only been the case FOREVER. Google cache never saved graphics and if a cache'd page is slow this is almost certainly why. try it in lynx or something. |
2001/12/5 [Computer/Companies/Google] UID:23155 Activity:high |
12/5 What exactly does G. I. as in "G. I. Joe" stand for? \_ General infantry \_ So that means the most expensible soldiers? \_ Learn how to use google. \_ Yeah, that's useful. Especially when you are searching for letters of the alphabet. Top 4 hits for "G.I." on google: GI Gesellschaft fur Informatik eV American College of Gastroenterology Dept. of Veterans Affairs, Education Service Home Page <DEAD>www.ginet.com<DEAD> \_ actually quoting something doesn't work in google anymore, in dejanews, you could search for "G.I." and just get "G. I." not G. and I. in dejanews, you could search for "G.I." and just get "G. I." not G. and I. \_ I typed in "What does GI Joe stand for?" and got it on the first hit. Like I said, learn how to use google.. \_ Government Issue(d). \_ Gonnorrhea Infection \_ Gastrointestinal |
2001/8/13-14 [Computer/SW/Languages/Java, Computer/Companies/Google] UID:22094 Activity:low |
8/13 Does anyone have the announcement of a class about fractals etc. posted to http://ucb.org.csua? Is there an archive of the group? (google doesn't have it) Thanks. \_ why was this post purged? \_ I searched a little harder and found the answer on my own. I'm still curious about the archive though -- does it exist? \_ The course URL was: http://www.ce.berkeley.edu/~hermanowicz/e101/e101_index.htm Email me privately if you want me to reforward the entire message (don't want to dump it all in the motd). -alexf, The Original Forwarder \_ OF, kinda like OG. \_ you should keep explaining other peoples' jokes. it will make you cool. |
2001/7/8 [Computer/Companies/Google] UID:21734 Activity:low |
07/07 Loana. \_ don't ask, just google. -ntip (not the original poster) \_ you meant "-ntop"? or "not the initial poster"? \_ -NTAP (or is that NTAP-- ?) |
2001/5/29 [Computer/Companies/Google] UID:21376 Activity:kinda low |
5/29 I'm looking for a list of 512bit or larger primes I can use for a diffie-hellman implementation I'm working on. Google didn't produce many workable matches. Anyone know where I might be able to find a list? \_ How many do you need? \_ A dozen or so should be more than enough. My understanding of dh (which is quite weak) is that you don't need the primes to be different for each client and server thus I believe I can make do with very few primes. \_ A dozen!? You are incapable of entering 'prime list' or 'large primes' into google? Are you a moron? Do you speak English? Do you understand how to query a search engine? 'Google didn't produce many workable matches' indeed. The world is full of lazy idiots, and you, sir, are one of them. \_ Any large prime won't do, it has to be a sg prime. I've managed to find a few 3 or 4 that are 512bit or smaller. Most of the other matches are 1024bit or greater and I can't use those. \_ http://www.privacy.nb.ca/cryptography/archives/coderpunks/new/1998-04/0079.html \_ You want to use template meta-programming to generate a sufficient number of primes at compile time, and store it in a table for run-time use. \_ One would think google is easier (and more user friendly) than the motd and people might figure this out but.... |
2001/4/25 [Computer/Companies/Google] UID:21091 Activity:insanely high |
4/389 I want to find out how much a StorageTek Timber Wolf 9730 tape library costs i don't want to have to wait for their sales person to get back to me. Is there a website that has the approx. cost of big ticket items like this? Or/also can someone tell me how to get google and the other search engines to search on the character $ ? \_ I found a price 8,250 Lira. Conversion anyone? \_ google. Duh. Why can't people use a friggin search engine anymore? They're easier to use and more accurate than ever. \_ kids these days are weak and pathetic. |
2001/4/24-25 [Computer/Companies/Google, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:21081 Activity:very high |
4/389 When nurses say "get me xyz, stat!" what does stat mean? Is it an abbreviation or acronym? \_ http://www.straightdope.com/mailbag/mstat.html \_ you can't use google, huh? \_ what ever happened to your Berkeley pride? I guess google is just too good that we are willing to stoop down to use a stanford made search engine. \_ Berkeley pride? Hello? It's just a GPA and a piece of paper. The alumni association won't help you afterwards unless you consider endless appeals for cash a form of "help" and a good way to express "pride". \_ That's why I use http://av.com. At least its not like selling out the the farm. \_ google doesn't have intelligent speech processing like the motd. the motd is, however, quite slow and prone to insult its users. all in all it balances out. ok so i tried google and it said it was for "statum." google: 1 motd: 0 \_ What does "statum" mean? Is it an abbreviation or acroynm? \_ beats me. latin for ASAP? \_ is that some kind of funky acronym? |
2000/10/13-14 [Computer/Companies/Google, Computer/SW] UID:19474 Activity:nil |
10/13 StarOffice source released. http://www.openoffice.org |
2000/10/2 [Computer/Companies/Google] UID:19386 Activity:low |
10/01 http://x59.deja.com/[ST_rn=ps]/getdoc.xp?AN=558477734.1 alt.motd? \_ alt.motd! \_ alt.wall! |
2000/9/27-28 [Computer/Companies/Google] UID:19339 Activity:nil |
9/26 Looking for Where's Waldo picture on the web. URL please. And no, it can't be found on Google. \_ i think what you want to say is "no I couldn't find it on google" \_ "no I couldn't find any on google" \_ I found one rather easily using Google: http://www.worldvillage.com/wv/school/images/scrnshot/waldo1.gif |
2000/8/8-9 [Computer/Companies/Google] UID:18928 Activity:very high |
8/8 anyone notice http://www.google.com/bsd or /linux? \_ Yes. \_ they don't have /solaris or /hpux \_ Nor do they have /dork but so what? |
2000/8/1-2 [Computer/Companies/Google, Health/Eyes] UID:18844 Activity:low |
8/1 I need a pair of optical google for swimming. What the good sources for them online? How do I specify the different characteristics like the degree of near-sightedness, astigamatism, etc? The entries on a eye glass prescription specifies some spherical, cylindrical, and axial specs. \_ http://www.google.com |
2000/6/27-28 [Computer/Companies/Google] UID:18556 Activity:insanely high |
6/26 Looks like, in the end, the Stanford guys stick together: Yahoo + Google. \_ but we always knew that Stanford was the Yale of the West, right? \_ what is that supposed to mean , exactly? -yale grad student \_ go back to new haven, yalie. \_ Is Google really taht much better than Inktomi? \_ yes \_ yes. go bears! \_ Did Yahoo drop Inktomi entirely? Or just adding Google results as well? \_ I think they're still keeping Inktomi for some business- oriented stuff. But google will replace the main search engine. \_ DirectHit was doing some interesting stuff but either never went bigtime or is still a backend search engine data provider like Inktomi. Or they're not in business? They get search logs from the other search engine companies, grind em up, and then return results based on what links other folks have chosen in the past for previously seen queries. Same family of idea as Google but not the same. It has the same self-feeding problem Google has \_ explain again what was interesting about this? -tom but a notch worse. Anyone know if DH is still doing that? \_ DH's popularity-based search results weren't yielding top relevance. Additionally, they've been bought by AskJeeves, the anti-serach technology company, so. The ways that Google and Inktomi rank web pages is entirely different than click- and Inktomi rank web pages are entirely different than click- through gathering. -- Marco \_ DH and Google are the same in the sense that there's user input into the rankings returned. It's another form of popularity search. What's Inktomi doing these days? \_ Forgetting money losing search engines and going after the higher-profit web caching market. \_ I was not aware that google records clickthroughs. AFAIK, both use variations of mapping the cross-links on the Web and promoting pages they define to be "popular" or "authoritative" based on number of inbound and outbound links. -- Marco |
2000/4/1-3 [Computer/SW/OS, Computer/HW, Computer/Companies/Google] UID:17904 Activity:low |
4/1 http://www.google.com "Some users unaccustomed to concentrated thought may experience side effects such as headaches, dizziness or flashes of brilliance. These will quickly pass." \_ Google rules (at least for 90% of the searches i do) \_ Hey, when i tried to use MentalPlex it gave me an error: Error 001: Weak or no signal detected. Upgrade transmitter and retry. \_ dumbass... |
2000/1/26 [Computer/Companies/Google] UID:17332 Activity:moderate |
1/25 http://x31.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=577516159&fmt=text: Wow, there are people like Trevor elsewhere in the world, too. \_ Trevor is a dime-a-dozen asshole. The problem is he's a Cal asshole so some of us have to deal with this particular asshole at times. |
1999/11/16-17 [Computer/Companies/Google, Computer/Companies/Yahoo] UID:16899 Activity:high |
11/16 google is pulling a yahoo. It has mysteriously decided to yank indexing of one of my programs,and there is no reply from the feedback form, even though I have heard from them on other issues. \_ It must be a conspiracy against you personally. I'm sure that a place that's indexing 150+ million pages has time to be deeply concerned and personally involved in every single page and to reply instantly to every yahoo (heh) who writes in to bitch at them for providing free indexing of your crap. Boo hoo. \_ hey jerkface; point 1: it used to be in their indexes point 2: they skew their indexes by hand sometimes point 3: Given that it used to be in their automated indexes, yes, they must have tweaked it by hand. I just want someone from there to say WHY. So who knows someone at google? \_ Weak logic here. Was the algorithm changed? Perhaps the automated check failed to connect to your site and removed it? Many more possibilities. -emarkp \_ My web logs show they visit the page still. In fact,they hit it yesterday, even. And my page is linked to by over 10 other sites. \_ Boo hoo. Whatever. |
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