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| 2012/11/28-12/18 [Politics/Domestic/Crime, Academia/UCLA] UID:54539 Activity:nil |
11/28 http://www.businessinsider.com/most-dangerous-colleges-in-america-2012-11#3-university-of-california--berkeley-23 We are #3! We are #3! Go beah!!! |
| 2011/8/3-27 [Academia/Berkeley, Academia/UCLA] UID:54155 Activity:nil |
8/3 Berkeley now ranks 70, while UCLA ranks 50. Williams College
is #1.
http://www.forbes.com/top-colleges/list
\_ Forbes hates public education. A less ideologically biased ranking
has Berkeley at 22 (which is still a fall from the golden years):
http://tinyurl.com/4476z5m (US News and World Report)
\_ how high was it in golden years?
\_ We were ranked #5 in 1983.
\_ seriously??? URL?
\_ http://preview.tinyurl.com/3udsc5z |
| 2011/3/14-4/20 [Academia/UCLA] UID:54059 Activity:nil |
3/14 UCLA girls are HOT HOT HOT:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lg3tIERI-D4
\_ snooze snooze snooze
\_ ASU || UNC >>> UCLA
\_ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOGpGoEMu2s
this has got to be the funniest sh***
\_ http://blogs.laweekly.com/informer/2011/03/alexandra_wallace_ucla_girl_rant_asians_in_the_library.php |
| 2010/2/4-3/4 [Academia/UCLA, Academia/StanfUrd] UID:53690 Activity:nil |
2/4 UCB 19th in private donations for 2009 behind #1 Stanford and #9 UCLA.
http://tinyurl.com/yjojbhe (LA Times)
List of Top 20: http://tinyurl.com/y8n3nye (Wall Street Journal)
\_ advice to UCB fundraiser committee: Ask not how you can
get more donations. Ask why you are not getting donations.
\_ why the fuck should i donate to a place that told me my undergrad
ass wasn't really who they were trying to teach?
\_ look buddy, everyone felt the same way at Cal. This is
why it's been going down for the past 2 decades. It's
a sad legacy of the damn place getting damn too big.
\_ well then I have this to say unto Cal:
"You reap what you sow. You have heard of this phrase?"
Probably not, the bible is banned @Cal. _/ |
| 2010/1/7-19 [Academia/UCLA] UID:53615 Activity:nil |
1/6 http://tinyurl.com/top100schools UCLA is ranked above Berkeley. UCSD is ranked above Berkeley. Irvine is ranked one below Berkeley. Berkeley has seriously gone done in the past two decades. I'm not surprised. \_ These aren't "best schools" these are "best value" rankings. The UCs are all very close but it looks like there is more financial aid available for UCSD and UCLA students. \_ I have taken CS classes at both UCLA and UCB. UCB has a much higher caliber of students, both undergrad and grad. Does that mean you learn more? Not really. It means it's harder to get good grades, though, and so I think a UCB degree means more. |
| 2009/9/26-10/8 [Academia/UCLA] UID:53404 Activity:kinda low |
9/26 Cal vs. Oregon: Were you surprised? </sarcasm>
\_ I was not surprised the Oregon scored 42 points. I was surprised
\_ I was not surprised that Oregon scored 42 points. I was surprised
that Cal only scored 3.
\_ Not surprised they lost. Surprised at what a thorough ass-kicking it
was on both sides of the ball. Cal couldn't even put up a TD.
Riley is not a good QB and that was apparent last year.
\_ Does anyone have a good explanation for why Cal sucks so badly on
the road? I just read in the paper yesterday that Tedford is 0-7
against USC and UCLA in SoCal.
\_ Most college teams suck on the road, not just Cal. Cal is probably
a bit worse than most, but not by much. I have been to all but one
of those LA road losses, btw and am going to the UCLA game in
two weeks.
http://collegefootball.rivals.com/content.asp?SID=1144&CID=863681
\_ So who is going to win the Cal vs. USC game, smart guy?
\_ People who love sports have 10-15 lower IQ than people who don't.
\_ URL?
Here's one that shows IQ and alcohol consumption are correlated:
http://tinyurl.com/yakzfam
\_ Richard Feynman loved alcohol (though he stopped drinking as
he got older). What does that mean?
\_ Did you read the article? The higher the IQ, the more
alcohol. Your anecdote supports that.
\_ yes but then he stopped drinking altogether
\_ Tell that to Glenn Seaborg. |
| 2009/2/8-15 [Academia/OtherSchools, Academia/UCLA] UID:52534 Activity:moderate |
2/8 Why does UC suck so hard? I did undergrad at UCB and I hated it.
Professors couldn't teach, class workload was high, and the system
was designed to "weed out" students and demoralize them rather
than teach and encourage them. I always got lower grades than I
deserved for the amount of work I put in. I don't know if this was
because of the curve which insists that 50% of students should get
C's and only 10% A's or what, but my GPA was mediocre and
self-confidence shattered. After UCB I took classes at another
(private) school, maybe not quite as good at UCB but Top 50 in
order to remedy my "academic deficiencies". I got straight A's
there and was usually one of the top 1-2 students in the class.
Professors seemed to like to teach and when they gave exams they were
on the concepts they told you that you should know. This is not
the same thing as spoonfeeding answers, but just telling you what
was important to know and what wasn't so that you don't waste time
trying to memorize 500 pages of the text. So I finally got my GPA
up and had the choice of a couple of different grad schools, one
of which was UCLA. This is my first year at UCLA and it is like
Cal all over again! Massive amounts of work to get a B-,
professors who sneer at your inadequacies, and a tendency to give
exam problems on exactly the material that was not covered in
homework which means you have to read (and remember) 500 pages of
technical text in 4.5 weeks and there is no chance to know if you
are grokking the material not covered in homework until the exam.
I am in the middle of the pack of my peers and getting discouraged
again. I've started to talk to a few of them and for many of them
they have taken the same class *BEFORE* at some other school. One guy
told me he had taken it *AT UCLA* as an undergrad and got a C and now
wants to retake it. Well, shit. I guess the school shouldn't care
how you got to a certain level, but the playing field seems messed
up to me. I was talking to a friend in grad school at a prestigious
private school and he said it's not like UCLA at all. That same
friend went to an exclusive liberal arts college for undergrad and
then started grad school at UC Irvine, which he also hated, before
switching. So it seems to me that the problem is with UC. My prof
even told me he has battled the department about making some
changes (such as having 2 midterms instead of 1 because of the
amount of material covered) to no avail. Since UC recruits from the
same pool of professors as every other school then why is learning
at UC such a bitch? I told my professor I think I want out and to go
to a private school, which is when he confided the above to me.
Were all UC professors beaten as children? Is it some State thing?
They seem to really enjoy watching you fail and only cater to the
top 5% they see as elite enough to join their ranks. Yes, this is
how academia is, but why isn't it like that elsewhere? Two classmates
that went to much, much worse (by reputation) private schools for
undergrad got their PhDs from Harvard and USC, crediting their
professors for refusing to let them fail or quit and encouraging them
and pushing them to achieve the best they can do. They love their
professors/advisor and will probably donate $$$ back to their school.
What I want to donate to UC is a swift kick in the ass.
\_ I knew all of this when I went to UC Berkeley. I went anyways,
because I couldn't get into any other school. I have to say
your experience will vary greatly depending on your personality.
If you're seriously upbeat in nature and have a thick skin,
it'll work out greatly. But if you're just exploring and
trying to understand yourself, it's not a very nurturing
place to be at.
\_ Totally agree with what you're saying. In the corporate world,
your super l33+ coding skills don't mean much. CONFIDENCE wins a
lot, like promotions and leadership. Cal totally lacks this. It's
a great place to know how to hack. Great place to do publications
and to get into academia. Not a great place to climb up
in the corporate world.
\_ Maybe you should stick with community colleges. They seem to be
more your speed.
\_ Thanks, UC Professor! I'm surprised you didn't let me know
Wendy's is hiring! I don't want to miss out on that opportunity!
\_ I went to Caltech and UC both for undergrad and while the classes
were smaller at Caltech, it was also a much harder workload. The UC
is a really sink or swim kind of place. You don't think people are
paying an extra $100k for a private school education for nothing,
do you? Why did you go to UCLA at all, given your experiences, it
sounds like you would have prefered a private school. Did you not
want to pay the extra cost? -ausman
\_ I think Caltech undergrad is an extreme example. Caltech is also
known for being brutal to its students for no good reason. I know
lots of people who went to Caltech and are now underachieving
because Caltech destroyed them. That's not a plus in favor
of Caltech. However, consider a school like Pomona College (where
my acquaintance who tried UCI went) or Stanford. No one would
consider them easy and yet the attitude is not "us" (professors)
versus "them" students. They want their alumni to succeed. I went
to UCLA figuring that: 1) It might be different, 2) Maybe
the problem at UCB was my own creation. However, it's shocking
how these first quarters at UCLA at like being at UCB all over
again. Factor in all the standard UC bureaucracy and I probably
will transfer to a private school. Cost was an issue, but
not the main issue. UCLA's strengths were more closely aligned
with my research interests than others I was accepted into.
I think seeing how much UCLA is like UCB crystallized that:
1) Somehow these issues are endemic to UC
2) UC doesn't work for me
However, what troubles me is *why* when I was able to get along
just fine at other universities that just happened to be private.
To me it seems like a problem worth investigating and fixing,
because we waste a lot of talent at UC, just like Caltech
wastes a lot of the top minds in the country. At least Caltech
doesn't have an obligation to the public to educate, though.
\_ Stanford doesn't seem all that different from Berkeley.
There are both asshole profs and nice ones. I'm not entirely
sure where you get this idea of UC being super different.
Maybe your problem is self-fulfilling prophecy.
\_ It's not really the profs. UCLA's profs are sometimes very
understanding. At UCB I would say I had too many profs
that were TAs or else visitors who didn't at all know what
the students had/had not covered leading to disjoint
curriculum because the tenured profs didn't like to
teach, but not that they were assholes necessarily.
However, the administration at private schools wants
students to succeed and more often listens to their
input. When a student at UCB wants to leave no one cares.
When a student elsewhere wants to leave they want to know
what went wrong and how they can fix it. Privates are
constantly reviewing the curriculum and addressing
deficiencies in order to retain students and be sure
that their alums succeed and bring glory to the
school. UC points to the 2% who succeed through sheer
god-given brilliance and claims that their system is
working and the other 98% must just be stupid and not
worth educating. Students at UC seem to have much less
leverage over the faculty, which is why teachers like
HH Wu are still teaching and there are Korean TAs teaching
who don't even speak any English. When the students at
privates complain the school does something like pair up
a non-native speaking TA with a native speaking TA or
whatever. You might call that coddling, but I call it
common sense. UC just doesn't care. Take it or leave it.
That's too bad. UC is really more a place to educate
yourself despite the school/faculty, not a place for them
to impart their knowledge to you. I think there's a much
less adversarial and more cooperative relationship at
Stanford from what I can see having talked to those
who attended and current professors there.
\_ Do you believe that only 2% of Cal students graduate?
\_ Muddling through the system will graduate you,
but it won't help you achieve your goals. Cal
students are bright and very motivated so they
deal, but it doesn't have to be that way.
Ironically, Cal profs I had outside of science
and engineering were usually extremely supportive
and interested in sharing their research and
promoting interest in their field. Science and
engineering profs mostly wanted you to go away.
Exception were astronomy profs, who always
seemed glad you came to office hours. Math profs
were the worst, often not even showing up to
office hours. Ridiculous.
\_ So it is not all UC profs that you think are bad,
just the science and engineering ones, right?
\_ Possibly. Too little experience in other
departments to say. I will say science and
engineering professors are worse in my
experience.
\_ The UC does not have the resources to coddle students.
You never answered my question as to why people are willing
to pay so much more for private school. I think the answer
to your quesions are obvious.
to your questions are obvious.
\_ People are willing to pay a lot more for a lot of reasons,
one of which is snob appeal. State schools have a bad
reputation which is probably deserved in most cases,
although not necessarily deserved by good publics like UC.
I don't want to speculate what motivates people to pay
more. Why don't you, since you already have (speculated)?
It's partially a resource issue, but I think it's
cultural. Even if you gave UC 3x the budget the mentality
would not change, IMO.
\_ The UC does not have the resources to coddle students.
You never answered my question as to why people are willing
to pay so much more for private school. I think the answer
to your quesions are obvious.
\_ I think it is obvious: you get a better education at
an expensive private school, that is why people are
willing to pay more for it. With the much higher teacher
student ratios, the money for better labs, better
libraries, full time live in professional advisors in
the dorms, more tutors, etc, you *should* get a better
education. I think your claim that the UC would do the
same job with 3X the resources is ludicrous. Do you know
any public college in the US that has the climate you
found at private school?
\_ Well, you said it: UC provides a poor education.
\_ I don't really disagree with you, though I would
use the word "mediocre" rather than poor. The
best, most inspiring teachers I had were the ones
at San Diego Community College, which is where I
went between Caltech and UCB. I learned much more
at the UC though, but that was outside the class
room, in The Web, from other students, etc. I also
learned how to fend for myself, which is a pretty
useful skill to have in life.
\_ http://home.lbl.gov:8080/~psb/Humor/UCB-fail.jpg
\_ I don't believe that you know "lots of people who went to
Caltech and are now underachieving" since they admit less
than 300 people per year. How many do you know?
\_ A lot. I've known people at Caltech since I was in
high school through a mentor-type program and I know a
lot of alums who also know alums: both grad students
and undergrads. I would say I've met probably 100-200+
alums: maybe more than any other school other than UCB.
I even know some current grad students and current
and ex-faculty. I also have a membership at the
Athenaeum. They are not all underachievers, but many are
relative to their potential. In fact, I fired one that
worked for me. I don't think that Caltech brings out the
best in its students. I think a lot are exceptional and
do well in spite of Caltech, but I also know a lot that
don't even really have careers and just kind of drift
from one thing to another. BTW, lots of Caltech
students have the same opinion of Caltech and helped
shape my opinion of it. Many complain that Caltech
ruined their GPA. A surprising number who did undergrad
never went to grad school because of this. That's
sad, because I think most of them, if not all, are
capable. I think Caltech has among the highest % of
undergrads who then go get their PhD but they should
given who is accepted so that's a little misleading.
85% of Caltech undergrads graduate versus 97% at
Harvard. Do you think it's because Harvard students
are smarter? That Harvard spends more $$$? (Caltech
spends $200K per student.) It's pure culture.
\_ What percentage of Caltech graduates go on to get
PhD's vs. Harvard UG? Do you think the grad schools
don't know how tough the grading scale is at places
like UCB and Caltech? If you are sure you want to go
\_ I suspect no. Not at least, for say econ PhD
admissions. If you got a GPA of say 3.3, you're
screwed as rarely a top 30 department will bother
with your file. Usually it doesn't matter that you
have completed a bunch of honors or graduate
courses, have a math double major, good LoR, etc. I
know this based on my personal experience.
\_ I have heard otherwise, at least as regards to
Physics graduate schools. How were your test
scores? I am kind of surprised to hear that
you could not get into a good grad school with
a 3.3 from Cal. What was your UG major?
to grad school in science then Caltech is a good place
to go, if you don't know what you want to do with your
life and need some time to figure it out, it is a
terrible place. UCB is the same, just not as extreme.
\_ I always summed it up as: "At Berkeley, you have a right to fail,"
which was a refreshing contrast to HS, where you were coddled and
reprimanded for not turning in a HW, even if you got 100% on all
the tests. Also, by "refreshing" I mean a C- in my first semester
math course (Math 53) because I had the bad habit of not doing
HW, and then never really learned the material. Separately, I
thought almost all the CS profs at Cal were good (Smith was the
exception). What CS profs had curves and were not supportive of
students?
\_ I didn't take a lot of CS. I had Yelick and BH and Hilfinger
and they were all OK. I took a lot of physics, math, chemistry,
and engineering classes. I wasn't a CS major.
\_ Physics seemed to have a combo of great and terrible profs.
7A in particular seemed to have good profs. Also, I've heard
only good things about profs that taught H7[ABC]. I only
had bad math profs. EE was mixed as well. What are
"engineering" classes? E45, E190? E190 was a great class.
\_ 7ABC all sucked. Dalven, Lys, and I cannot even
remember who else. I also had Clancy for CS now that
someone else mentioned him and he did the absolute
minimum. `
\_ I had bad math profs and mostly bad chem profs, but mostly good
bio profs and a really great biophysics advisor. (Glasser)
\_ As a current undergrad, I must say every CS prof I've had
so far has been pretty much awesome (with the
exceptions of Clancy who basically didn't teach and instead
left us to suffer with some godforsaken "web 2.0 teaching"
thing... damn you UCWise, and Bodik who seemed like a
smart guy but had the worst 164 curriculum ever (it was
basically a "who can come up with the ugliest Greasemonkey
hack class)
Current list - Brian Harvey (61a), Dan Garcia (61c),
Anthony Joseph (162), John Wawrzyneck (150), Michael
Franklin (186), Dan Klein (188), and also Babak Ayazifer
(EE20) have all been decent (and some of them very
excellent) professors. I have Patterson as my faculty
adviser and he's been great too. Maybe you just chose the
wrong profs? I've also had very good TAs for
61a,c,162,and 150. (Some grad some ugrad).
Just a current student's opinion... --steven
\_ You obviously never had Alex Aiken. Charming personality,
awesome slides, horrible lecturer/speaker, does not care
about students (hates office hours).
\_ At UCB, my best learning experiences were summer classes, less than
30 students, taught by TAs.
I took a class at Stanford. It wasn't that different from UCB.
The exams tried to throw twists at you so you couldn't directly
apply what they actually taught in class, you'd have to figure
new stuff out, and you don't have enough time. In any case
most of the class basically fails miserably so it's curved and
you end up with like a B+ anyway. The project was pretty wimpy
in terms of time compared to engineering class projects at Cal.
Stanford did have a strong student feedback mechanism and the
prof changed some things in response to ongoing feedback.
I would have doubts about sending a kid of mine to Cal as an
undergrad. I wasn't really happy at Cal, it was huge and I
wasn't motivated to trudge to classes each day. The whole
"giant lecture hall" class style is pretty bad in general though.
The pace is too slow or too fast and often the fancy professors
are bored/boring.
'furd had a nice online archived video system in place though.
You could watch all the stuff on video, complete with a closeup
view of what the teachers write, and you can replay it at multiple
speeds with pitch-corrected sound, which definitely helped me
stay awake and zip through boring bits but still hear them.
\_ +1, my SITN experience parallels with yours. It's really great
to log into one of their empty, powerful workstations to do work.
I really hated having to fight through my ways in Cory Hall and
Evans which most of you don't even remember. Stanford had superb
computing facilities, and their professors really take the time
to talk to you even though the classes were still big (40-80ish).
\_ I agree with everything above. Well said. Berkeley fucks its
students in the ass. No doubt about that. But then, so does
every flagship state university. The only difference is
that due to being the top state university in the country,
may be in the world, at Berkeley you get the rat race
experience of all flagship state schools SQUARED, and many
other UC campuses are not that far behind. I remember how I
had to fight like mad to get a B+ or A- even in a frigin
Rhetoric 1B or History 7B class. Lots of professors look
for ways to screw the students and lower their grades. I
have utter respect for UCB undergrads in the hard majors
who maintain a GPA above say 3.7. At the same time, I do
suspect that many of Cal's B+ students would probably
strive somewhere at an Ivy League school, have a 3.95 GPA,
beautify CV with multiple research experiences, graduate
with honors, get glowing LoR from professors, and have no
problems joining top graduate programs. At the same time, I
wouldn't take it for granted that an average "honors"
student from a private school (which is most students they
have since most get some kind of honors) like Stanford or
Ivies would necessarily even have a 3.5 GPA at Cal. I might
want to add that things are not as bad as it might sound.
You just need to learn how to navigate the system by the
end of your second year or so. For example, most upper
division courses in both of my majors (math/econ) had 30
students or less (or had honors or advanced versions of
those courses with small enrollements). I had no problems
registering for undergraduate seminars with only 10
students, which allowed for very good close interaction
with professors. Most professors who taught my upper
division courses really cared about teaching and did a
pretty good job. |
| 2008/8/22-29 [Academia/UCLA, Academia/GradSchool] UID:50942 Activity:nil |
8/22 College ranking again: http://www.csua.org/u/m5o Stanfraud: #4 Cal: #21 \_ What. The. Fuck. They told me Cal is as good as Furd. They lied. \_ Proof that privatized education >>> Public education. Jackie Johnson is hot. \_ UCLA #25. Uh... \_ The US News rankings double- and triple-count advantages for private universities; they count endowments, and then lots of things that endowments buy you. -tom \_ An interesting thing was to look at the rank as given by guidance counselors. While not infallible, it's a different viewpoint: http://tinyurl.com/5hk8sw Of course, Forbes did their own ranking this year and put Stanford at #23 and Cal at #73 (!). \_ URL? Forbes did a "how much do graduates make at mid-career" ranking and Cal was something like 20th. \_ http://tinyurl.com/6qwr9z Where's the URL you saw? \_ http://preview.tinyurl.com/65r7a3 Cal is #1 for public universities \_ And #12 overall \_ Forbes has no public universities in the top 60, and has such luminaries as Kalamazoo College higher than any public university. Their rankins are bunk. -tom \_ UVA is #43 \_ Ah, missed that. So it's only Cooper Union, Kenyon College, and Franklin and Marshall that are better than any public university. And of course Swarthmore and Williams are better than Yale, MIT, and Columbia. And something called "Centre College" in Kentucky is better than MIT, University of Chicago, Stanford, and all public universities. Bunk. If you invent a metric, you have to see if it passes the smell test before you make a fool of yourself by publishing it. -tom \_ "Of course, no ranking system is perfect, but for Forbes to publish and promote a list of rankings that are based 50 percent on "Who's Who..." (a for-profit corporation that makes its money getting its "invitees" to pay a fee to have their names published in its vanity publication) and "Rate My Professors" (a self-selected website that represents, at most, 1-to-2 percent of any given college's student population) is beyond incomprehensible. It is inexcusable. Forbes owes everyone in this country an apology and explanation, as do the so-called "academic statisticians" who lent their "credibility" to this publication." \_ URL? |
| 5/16 |
| 2008/8/21-26 [Academia/UCLA] UID:50926 Activity:low |
8/21 Top 10 American universities by 2008 Olympic participants:
1. Stanford: 46
2. (tie) USC: 41
2. (tie) Cal: 41
4. Florida: 34
5. UCLA: 32
6. Auburn: 31
7. Arizona: 27
8. (tie) Texas: 22
8. (tie) Michigan: 22
10. UNC: 20
\_ Is American Fish Monster from Berkeley?
\_ You mean "celebrity athlete with personality of carp?"
\_ He is the fastest swimmer in the world. Why does he need
a bubbly television personality? Kobe Bryant is a
goddamn rapist. Why don't we call him 'celebrity
basketball rapist?'
\_ Why not? Kobe's an ass.
\_ "God is a Warriors fan, Satan loves the Lakers.
God is a Warriors fan, Kobe is a rapist."
\_ No, but Natalie Coughlin (total babe) is.
\_ الله أَكْ!
\_ no, but Natalie Coughlin is, and she's a total babe.
\_ Where's our pole vaulter?
\_ Huh huh hhuh huh, you said pole. |
| 2008/3/14-17 [Academia/UCLA] UID:49460 Activity:nil |
3/14 Someone please repost the link to home affordability charts?
I need a proof from the UCLA professor that there will be a crash
to prevent my wife from whining about this new condo that we can
barely afford even though it's $50K cheaper than last year.
\_ http://bp2.blogger.com/_8m7jYiLM_DI/Rvf3K2aCzsI/AAAAAAAAAXw/C_Fp_Kop7Hc/s1600-h/resetbigchart.gif
\_ link:preview.tinyurl.com/ysnbe4 (bp2.blogger.com)
http://drhousingbubble.blogspot.com |
| 2008/2/16-21 [Academia/UCLA, Academia/StanfUrd] UID:49170 Activity:moderate |
2/16 Snobs use google, normal people use yahoo:
http://gizmodo.com/357353/poor-people-use-yahoo-richies-use-google
\_ http://www.informationweek.com/blog/main/archives/2008/02/the_wealthy_use.html
\_ http://preview.tinyurl.com/23mjhs (informationweek.com)
\_ I know a few conservatives who hate Google (liberal company)
and use Yahoo as the less liberal alternative.
\_ I don't know anyone who uses Yahoo search. I know Yahoo
employees. I know zillionaires. I know poor people. I know
people who are a few dollars from living in their car.
They all use Google Search.
\_ In another news, smart people prefer the Bay Area, and dumb
people are stuck in Los Angeles.
\_ True story. -- ilyas
\_ URL to support your claim?
\_ True as in Berkeley/Stanford rejects go to UCLA, UCI
UCSD, and (laugh) UCR?
\_ Stanford rejects go to Cal. Let's be honest here.
\_ I always thought that the system was that the
rich kids Stanford rejects go to USC, the asian
kids Cal rejects go to UCLA, Davis rejects end
up at UCI/UCR and the asian kids with cool
parents go to UCSD.
\_ Stanford kids are actually smarter than USC
kids. It's more like Stanford rejects go to
the east cast, Cal rejects go to UCLA, Asian
kids who couldn't make it to any of the above
go to UCI or San Diego, and all the rejects
who don't want to go to CSUs go to Riverside,
Santa Barbara, or Santa Cruz. In terms of
hierarchy:
UCB > UCLA > (UCD|UCI|UCSD) > UCSB > UCSC > UCR
UCSD for some reason attracts a lot of Republican/
conservative and UCR attracts a lot of dumb asses
\_ San Diego is a conservative area relative to the
rest of the state.
\_ When I applied to CS grad school in 1993, I got rejected
by Cal but accepted by $tanfurd.
\_ You end up going to Stanford?
\_ No, I ended up getting a job.
\_ Grad school is something else entirely. I was
talking about undergrad.
\_ Another true story. -- ilyas
\_ Ilyas is a dumb reject.
\_ Another true story. -- !ilyas
\_ Yup. -- ilyas
\_ Ilyas loves it when people sign
his name. Yup. -- ilyas
his name. Yup.
\_ No, that was actually me. -- ilyas
\_ But not me. -- !ilyas |
| 2006/11/4-6 [Academia/UCLA] UID:45164 Activity:low |
11/04 Notre Dame sucks. Got killed by a not-that-great Michigan team.
Should've gotten killed by Michigan State, if it weren't for their
terrible head coach. Should've lost to mediocre UCLA. Not looking
dominant against a bad North Carolina team. Allowed the worst
Stanford team in history to hang around for a while. And yet, due
to a weak schedule, this crappy Notre Dame team, even if they lose
to USC, will probably end up in a BCS game. Nice.
\_ How is Michigan not-that-great? Compared to whom? Cal? OSU?
\_ Compared to Ball State. |
| 2006/10/29-30 [Academia/UCLA, Uncategorized/Profanity, Recreation/Sports] UID:45025 Activity:nil |
10/29 Sucks so bad that USC lost. It was Cal's best chance for a BCS
bid. -- USC student, Cal fan.
\_ Fuck all of you assholes. -Berkeley alum, who couldn't give two
shits about "Cal".
\_ Fuck you, too.
\_ I don't see how it makes a difference. If USC won, Cal would still
need to beat USC to go to the Rose Bowl. Now, Cal needs to beat
USC to go to the Rose Bowl. If Cal loses against USC, they wouldn't
be going to a BCS bowl whether USC beat OrSt or not.
\_ The argument is that if USC went to the Championship game,
then Cal could finish 2nd and still go to the Rose Bowl.
I don't like that argument. If Cal goes to the Rose Bowl it
should not be because USC is playing for a MNC. The loss
helped Cal, because now Cal has a game "to give" if they
beat USC and a chance to finish 1st even if they lose to USC
(if someone else can beat USC, too).
\_ My argument was that if USC stayed #3 and Cal beat them (handing
USC their only loss), Cal would have a good chance of finishing
Top 6 and getting a BCS bid. I didn't consider Cal losing to USC.
\_ If Cal beats USC, Cal wins the Pac-10 and goes to the Rose Bowl.
This was the case last week, and it's the case now.
\_ Cal doesn't need to finish top 6 to get a BCS bid. If Cal
beats USC and has no more than one other Pac-10 loss, we are
guaranteed to go to the Rose Bowl. If we lose to USC but
finish in the top 14 BCS rankings, we can still go to a BCS
bowl--there's one more BCS bowl this year than there has been
in the past, so the chances are much less that we'll be screwed
like we were in 2004 (and Oregon in 2005).
In any case, the focus should be on beating USC, which would
make polls and tiebreakers unimportant. -tom
\_ The focus should be beating the next opponent, as UDub
showed. If we lose to Arizona and UCLA then who cares
about USC?
\_ Yeah, but now we can lose to one of them and still go. |
| 2006/9/19 [Academia/UCLA] UID:44439 Activity:kinda low |
9/19 Based on Cal's 35-18 loss against a good-but-not-great Tennessee
team, 42-17 victory at home against a below average Big 10 team in
Minnesota, and Cal's 42-16 victory at home against a lowly Division
I-AA team in Portland State, what do you think Cal's regular season
football record will be this year?
10-2 (additional loss to 1 of USC & Oregon)
9-3 (additional losses to USC & Oregon)
8-4 (additional losses to USC, Oregon, & 1 of UCLA/ASU/OSU/UA/WSU)
7-5 (additional losses to USC, Oregon, & 2 of UCLA/ASU/OSU/UA/WSU)
6-6 (additional losses to USC, Oregon, $ 3 of UCLA/ASU/OSU/UA/WSU)
I vote for 8-4. We will lose badly to USC, and Tedford always has
trouble vs. Oregon. This Cal team has enough question marks that we
will probably get upset on the road at either Oregon State, Arizona,
or Washington State. UCLA and ASU are overrated and Cal will likely
beat both at home. Going 4-1 against that group of 5 teams will be
a good achievement for this group. A 6-3 Pac 10 record probably puts
us in the Sun Bowl in El Paso as the 3rd place Pac 10 team after USC
(Rose Bowl) and Oregon (Holiday Bowl). UCLA and ASU will probably
end up at the Las Vegas Bowl and Emerald Bowl by finishing in 4th and
5th.
\_ I vote for 7-5 and a return trip to Las Vegas. Too many weaknesses
on the offensive line and secondary. Syd'Quan Thompson is going to
cost us at least 1 more game.
\_ LAS VEGAS BABY! -ausman
\_ You guys are optimists. 6-6 is probably realistic. Nate Longshore
is not the answer at QB, no matter how many stats he runs up
against D-IAA opponents.
\_ Longshore is better than Steve Levy, who won three games
including a bowl game in 2005. We'll know more about how good
the team is after this weekend. -tom
\_ Why is everyone forgetting Kyle Reed in the QB discussion?
\_ Because the coaching staff, which sees all the QBs all
the time, hasn't said anything to indicate he's even
being considered for the starting job. -tom |
| 2006/1/25-27 [Academia/Berkeley/Ocf, Academia/UCLA] UID:41516 Activity:low |
1/25 http://www.collegecuteness.com UCLA comes in 7th. \_ Stanford??? You've got to be kidding me. And where's Berkeley? The list is a fraud. \_ Dude, 8 out of 10 is pretty bad. And of course O of C has to be at the bottom. \_ Berkeley is home to some of the ugliest white chicks I ever saw. Lots of pretty "minority" women, though. \_ those pretty 'minority' women doesn't includes Chinese, despite their sheer number. \_ Berkeley has some extremely pretty African-American women, in particular. \_ Is http://HOTorNOT.com accurate? I just looked, and some rather un-attractive women have pretty high scores. Is it prone to self-scoring? \_ Note that it doesn't mean that UCLA is no 7 in the country. It's just a no7 in a sample of 10 schools, which is kind of less impressive. \_ i vaguely remember there is a OCF version of it. what happened to that? and where it is now if it still exist? \_ it was taken down due to various racist comments, and probably also because the creator's picture kept getting posted and he isn't exactly hot stuff. \_ Hotornot is strongly biased towards woman who show lots of skin. \_ They need to put UCSB on the list. \_ Are there no pictures, or am I missing something? |
| 2005/12/1-6 [Academia/UCLA] UID:40809 Activity:moderate |
12/2 Wow, current odds are USC over UCLA by 21. Is it going to be that
much of a beating?
\_ Dunno. I don't have a crystal ball.
\_ What a useful response.
USC could certainly beat UCLA by 21; we scored 40 against them.
But USC has been somewhat inconsistent. I'd take UCLA+21. -tom
\_ I think this is worth a bet. Is there a good way to bet on
this online or through the phone?
\_ start by not being an anonymous coward. -tom
\_ huh? I am asking for a sports betting place where
I can make some money betting on UCLA. You seem
to think everyone is out to get you.
\_ http://tradesports.com. You are lucky you didn't make
this bet. Tom saved you $100 by being a jerk! -ausman
\_ heh heh, he did. thanks for the link. Have
you used it before? -ecc
\_ Nah, it'll probably be a close game.
\_ ouch! 66-19! what a drubbing. |
| 2005/10/27-29 [Academia/UCLA] UID:40298 Activity:moderate |
10/27 Appropros to an earlier conversation about SF High Schools:
http://csua.org/u/dug
The worst of the top seven schools still rates a "7" on the
statewide API rank, which puts it in the top 70% of high schools
statewide.
\_ Where does CA fall among other states and this country among
other western nations?
\_ The ranking for 2004 seems unavailable, but the 2003 API rankings
for San Francisco are at http://csua.org/u/dui . Out of 16 high
schools in San Francisco, 5 have a rank of 1, 3 have a rank of
3, and 1 have a rank of 4. The other 7 are ranked 7 to 10. Ranks
range from 1 to 10, with 1 lowest and 10 highest.
\_ Is the API about "performance" or "improvement in performance"?
\_ If you goal is just to get into a top US university, move to
singapore and send your kid to raffles. 40% of 820 graduating
students go to Ivy League schools or their equivalents, and
that's just for the US. Many others go to Cambridge and Oxford.
school fees is US$8 per month. 90 of the 820 got accepted to
Cornell. This is according to a WSJ article:
http://web.singnet.com.sg/~kohfamey/on_Raffles%20htm.htm
Of course, you cannot chew gum.
Of course, you cannot chew gum. I ditched raffles when I
was in singapore cause my brother's chinese sucks and my
parents think it's the school's fault, so I went to a second
parents think it's the school's fault, and also because
we hate schools named after british imperialist colonizer
sir stamford raffles the evil one, so I went to a second
rate high school, and ended up in second rate berkeley
university.
university. but hey, at least I have good chinese, and got
myself quite a few cute girls from taiwan.
\- i actually think if you are not totally stupid you might be
\- i think if you are not totally stupid you might be
able to get into harvard by moving to say Kiribati for your
senior year of high school so Harvard can say "we have students
from country++ number of countries". --psb
\_ I didn't get into UCLA because they said they were over
their quota of out-of-state students. My rejection stated
that in an apologetic tone.
\_ wait, UCLA is harder to get into than UCB now??
\_ Yes. All the would be MIT and Caltech geeks
Googled and researched their chance on getting
laid with hot women and found that UCLA gave them
an advantage they wouldn't normally have in
other schools.
\_ That's the whole point, it's NOT harder yet I didn't
get in, but I got into Berkeley.
\_ Should be "we have students from ++country number of
countries". :-) |
| 2005/10/27-28 [Academia/UCLA] UID:40287 Activity:low |
10/26 http://www.thecalifornianonwilshire.com The Californian on Wilshire Blvd. is a luxurious condo development. It is completely sold yet the building is not even done. At a starting price of 1.5 million dollars per unit, I wonder what kind of people buy these condos. \_ This is only a few blocks from UCLA. You can't buy a house in the Wilshire/UCLA area for less than 1.5 mil. A 50 year old 2000 sq ft house 1/2 mile away from UCLA starts at 2.5 mil. So actually this is pretty cheap by the Westwood standard. People are rich. I see really REALLY nice cars on Sunset driving slowly and stopping and talking to really pretty young girls on Sunset and Belair all the time. Some of the girls are probably still in college. \_ I have a friend who owned a condo on Wilshire before he sold it to buy a $4 million house in Beverly Hills. He owns his own company (tax consulting) with about 100 employees. His neighbor was a fashion designer with 7 exotic cars down in the garage. Tyra Banks used to own one there. So did/does Barbara Sinatra. In a nutshell: wealthy people do! Duh! Lots of times as second homes, too. \_ This makes me depressed. --- coding monkey \_ Why? I know code monkeys who live in Atherton mansions or own fleets of Ferraris. (OK, they are very good code monkeys.) Being a code monkey doesn't make you not rich; being not rich makes you not rich. \_ A friend bought a condo in Las Vegas under similar circumstances then sold for 3x before the project completed. It's a game of hot potato; sometimes you win, sometimes you get burned. \_ My guess is that it will get cancelled after all the people speculating on condos cancel their reservations and lose their deposit money. |
| 2005/10/9-10 [Academia/UCLA] UID:40030 Activity:very high |
10/9 UCLA and thier football team can burn!!!
Anybody else watch? If not for thier #21 Drew they wouldn't have
scored half thier points. -mrauser
\_ Fuck off. The only universities for whose football programs I have
any respect are University of Chicago and Caltech.
\_ Cal didn't deserve to win the game. Our QB sucks, our special teams
sucks. And even if we did win, we still wouldn't beat USC given
that we couldn't stop Drew who's a poor man's Reggie Bush.
\_ Yeah, they couldn't score half the time in the red zone.
Let's face it, Cal football just isn't up to par to the likes
of UCLA and USC. We have never been and will never be known
as a football school. Anyway, I don't really give a crap
because compared to our academics both schools blow chunks.
\_ Up to par with UCLA?! are you kidding? why don't you
check out our record against them for the past few years.
\_ Uhm, hate to burst your bubble, but in the past, what
forty to fifty years Cal hasn't appeared once in the
Rose Bowl, while UCLA has shown up about half a dozen
times, and they won it twice. UCLA also produced
Troy Aikman and also has the winningest coach in
Pac 10 history. Cal hasn't won a title since the
Pac 10 became the Pac 10 and you'd have to go back
to the early fifties to find Cal in a Rose Bowl
game. As for overall athletics, UCLA has the most
NCAA championships in the nation. And don't even
compare Cal football to USC. The whole purpose of
USC is to have a football program, that and I suppose
the medical center in downtown to serve all the poor
folks. Heck, Cal's record is probably worse than
\_ you forgot film school
Stanford overall. When we actually win a Rose Bowl
in our lifetime, that's when I would consider Cal
to have a football program on par with UCLA/USC.
BTW, Cal has NEVER won a Rose Bowl under the Pac-10.
You'd have to go all the way back to the 1920s to
find Cal winning a Bowl.
\_ For a little historical perspective, Street & Smith's recently
published their "50 Greatest College Football Programs of All
Time". In the Pac-10, USC was 2, Washington 20, Cal 27, UCLA 31,
Stanford 33. Personally, I would agree that over the past 50
years UCLA has had a more impressive program, but our Pappy
Waldorf and Wonder Team squads were better than anything UCLA
has ever put on the field.
\_ let's talk about the modern era, please.
\_ Well, since the modern era begins after the mid-18th
century...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_era
\_ Since 1990, Cal is 9-7 against UCLA, and 6-8-1 against
USC. -tom
\_ yea, but before 1990, Cal had not beaten UCLA for like
15 years or something. Still, the current team isn't
too bad. Those two backs are superb. All we need is
a good quarterback, and a little tweaking with the D.
Or we can try calling all run plays like the
Nebraska team of a few years back, and see how that
goes. Tedford is a good coach, but I think he got
out play-called in the UCLA game.
\_ let's talk about the modern era, please. -tom
\_ sorry young man, but my memory dates back to
before 1990. |
| 2005/9/12-14 [Academia/UCLA] UID:39643 Activity:nil |
9/12 Blackouts in parts of LA. How you doing down there ucla guy?
\_ "Police officers will only be responding to calls where there is a
threat to life."
threat to white women."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050912/us_nm/energy_losangeles_dc
Time to rape your hot female neighbor and steal the Porsche down the
block.
\_ which guy? There are over 5 ucla guys on motd. Anyways there is
no black out. We have our own generator. Ditto with UCLA Medical,
they have one of the newest and best backup equipments.
\_ ucla guy is generic. Sorta like yermom, but easier and cheaper.
\_ Cheaper? My mom is free, you idiot!
\_ Crack doesn't grow on trees. Gotta get it from someplace. |
| 2005/9/10-13 [Academia/UCLA, Academia/StanfUrd] UID:39620 Activity:kinda low |
9/10 How does a university with Cal's academics manage to recruit as well
as it has for Tedford the past couple years?
\_ Academics and athletics are not mutually exclusive; Michigan
has had a consistently successful football program, and sells
out their 100K seat stadium for every game. -tom
\_ U. Mich? I've found that U. Mich people just like to talk
about themselves a lot and how U. Mich is the greatest
thing since sliced bread. You sure their academic
reputation isn't just a lack of modesty?
\_ You might want to read about 'statistics' and 'standardized
tests'. Your post implies an egregious lack of understanding
tests'. Your post implies a flagrant lack of understanding
about academic reputation and how it's derived.
\_ I've found these "statistics" and "standardized tests"
to be pure BS. The USNews reports use things like SAT
scores, GPA, alumni donation, and things that don't
really mean much to rank colleges. But results speak
for themselves. In the place where I work, the ones
that come from no-name colleges produce some of the
best results I've seen whle those from these top-notch
colleges are usually just full of themselves and can't
do jack shit. UMich people, for some reason, seem to
be the worst offenders.
\_ Right, studies which actually have quantitative metrics
are pure BS, while one person's subjective experience
is truth.
Oh and here's another hint; top universities do not
exist to churn out good workers. -tom
\_ And you think these objective "quantitative
metrics" are a good indicator of academic
rigor? I really don't care how well any student
did on their ACT/SAT, what their HS GPA is,
or how much alumni give to that school. Look
at Stanford. These kids work their ass of in HS
to get into that school. Their alumni donates
money like there''s not tomorrow. But they
also just slack off once the get in and are
guaranteed a 4.0 GPA. I haven't found many
Stanford students to be that stellar.
\_ I'm guessing your argument is that they exist
to promote intellectual progress in the form of
research and scholarly debate? Sure, for the
best and the brightest. A good professor might
not be a good worker bee. On the other hand, any
good professor is going to have to have a lot of
skills which make them good 'workers'. They just
fit into higher level jobs. I don't think you
can make a case that a university is a good one
if all of the people it turns out are poor
workers. It may not be the objective to turn out
good workers, but it seems to happen anyway.
\_ I'm guessing you're a moron. Actually, no,
I'm not guessing. -tom
\_ Way to defend your point - with an
ad-hominem and no facts.
\_ Sorry, the idea that schools should be
measured based on what some anonymous coward
perceives as the productivity of some
people he's worked with is far too
ridiculous to respond to. -tom
\_ I'm not the original poster and I
*was* curious what your opinion is
on this topic but I don't care now.
\_ Funny how tom can manage to piss
off people who might sympathize
with him.
\_ I don't need morons to sympathize
with me. -tom
\_ Yeah, he's already got
himself, and he's the
biggest moron around!
-jrleek
\_ According to USNews, Cal=#20, UCLA=#24, UMich=#25
\_ Ob Todd Bozeman |
| 2005/9/8-10 [Academia/UCLA] UID:39570 Activity:low |
9/8 My understanding is that UC schools used to accept half of their
students based on SAT I + SAT II + GPA*1000 (max score: 8000). I can't
find anything on the web confirming this, as it seems like now
admissions are more comprehensive:
:
http://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/admissions/general_info/uc_reviews/freshman_app.html
A friend of mine claims that his school would only accept 0-1 students
to Berkeley (and UCLA) no matter what the caliber is, and I'm
claiming BS (as that would be reverse affirmative action). Anyone know
anything about either of our claims? #14 at the URL above could
be seen as support for his claim:
Location of the student's secondary school and residence.
\_ He's full of shit. For proof see how many students from large
high schools go to UCLA or UCB. It's not 0-1.
\_ The friend is probably saying his sk00l blows, out in the boonies
but I agree that if his SATs are high (hard) and his GPA is high
(easy being in the boonies), then there is no quota per se.
I believe it's true that a high GPA at let's say Lowell HS
is better than a high GPA at Podunk HS, but I don't know the
conversion, and maybe I'm totally wrong.
\_ Yes, this is what he was saying. She got into UCLA and UCB but
decided to go have fun at UCSB. She wasn't the validictorian
but the four students who were were really pissed that he
applied and "wasted" the slots. She doesn't know their SAT II
scores but knows that they had 4.0+ GPA's and 1400+ SAT's
which should have been good enough for UCLA top 50%. 1998.
\_ I didn't think you could "waste" a slot--I was under the
impression that your HS played a role in UC admissions,
but only in consideration of individual applications, not
as part of a "quota-per-high school" system. If you are
accepted to Cal and don't go, wouldn't the next-best
person from whichever high school just take your place?
Sounds odd to me. But then again, maybe her 4 friends
aren't all that bright either. -John
\_ If she went to UCSB instead of UCLA to have fun, then
she's not that bright afterall. UCSB is fun but UCLA is
funner.
\_ I see in today's UCLA admissions FAQ:
"It should be noted, however, that because UCLA does not
use a mathematical formula when evaluating applicants,
there is no fixed numerical weight attached to either GPA
or test scores."
So I can see how human beings, being lazy, would just pick
the few top slots out from Podunk HS, allocate more to
Lowell HS, and not really pay much attention to waiting
lists. Shrug, it wasn't malicious of the UCB/UCLA girl,
and I bet you could find a lot of people with 1400+
post-recentered SAT scores.
\_ Of course there's no formula. It's much easier to
game the system when there's no objective standard.
\_ This is how I was admitted in 1991. They published the minimum
score every year, and when I applied I was above the minimum and
didn't have to worry about getting in.
\_ See this usenet post circa 1992: http://csua.org/u/dbd
IIRC the GPA was capped at 4.0.
\_ I was admitted in '92 with a 4.5 GPA. -1337
(easy being in the boonies), then there is no quota per high
school
\_ GPA was capped at 4.0 in 1996. They had the 8000 ranking, I
remember to have a 98% chance for Berkeley you needed like 7000
and for EECS it was like 7400. |
| 2005/8/20-22 [Academia/UCLA] UID:39199 Activity:high |
8/20 I'm going to grad school on the east coast and have some
(non-sucky) hardware to sell - currently, wireless keyboard/
laser mouse combo and high powered speakers. If interested see:
http://soda.csua.berkeley.edu/~jhs/buy_my_stuff.html -jhs
\_ Why are you going to grad school? Are you sure you've thought this
through? The vast majority of phd students do not really know why
they're there, and find out the hard way later how much of a mistake
grad school usually is. There's a hell of a lot of living,
learning, and money making you can do in the SIX FUCKING YEARS it
takes to get a typical phd instead of sitting in the SAME FUCKING
CHAIR living on a 20K/year stipend. Go read all the archives of
http://www.phdcomics.com Everything you read in that strip is true.
\_ a little bitter?
\_ Actually I have been through phdcomics (and find them awesome).
I'm going to grad school because I enjoy doing research and would
rather do that (even when money isn't optimal) than go into
industry. I did an internship at http://Amazon.com as well as two research
internship (government and industry) plus a policy internship
during my undergrad years. I'm pretty confident that grad school is
the right place for me, but I've heard plenty of horror stories as
well. It helps that I'm attending my first choice (MIT) and that I
already have some connections to people at Berkeley that I can
fall back on for research ideas & etc if stuff goes a bit sour.
Many CSUA alums were helpful in discussing grad school (leak,
twohey, ilyas, brg, ...). Hope this clarifies things. -op
industry. I did an internship at http://Amazon.com as well as two
research internship (government and industry) plus a policy
internship during my undergrad years. I'm pretty confident that
grad school is the right place for me, but I've heard plenty of
horror stories as well. It helps that I'm attending my first
choice (MIT) and that I already have some connections to people
at Berkeley that I can fall back on for research ideas & etc if
stuff goes a bit sour. Many CSUA alums were helpful in
discussing grad school (leak, twohey, ilyas, brg, ...). Hope
this clarifies things. -op
\_ I think the key thing the op is looking for is FULFILLMENT.
I thought the exact same way you did. I graduated in the
mid 90s and joined the dot-com crowd with my friends. I
did ok, but I didn't feel fulfilled. It was fun writing
code, designing apps, writing backends, and the pay and
stock options were awsome but I really didn't feel like
I made a difference in people's lives. I worked for 6 years
in the industry, started as QA->code monkey->project lead
and even did 6 months as a PM. I think it all depends on
the attitude and what your goals and priorities in life are.
Most of my friends just wanted to make big money and
retire, and two did exactly that. Many are now 30s, have
kids, have a house, and have a big ass mortgage to pay.
There is one I know who is depressed because of his
sense of feeling "stuck." There were obviously a few
who went back to law school and one even did a joint
law/MBA (he is a 3.98 Cal guy), and took up jobs
that they thought more more suitable to their needs. When
I talk to them, yes, they were glad to give up a few years
of their lives to attain something they could never get
anywhere else. What that 'something' is, depends on who
you are and what makes you happy. I'm in my 3rd year in
graduate school, and I realized that I totally and
completely wasted 6 years in the industry, where I
constantly worked with sub-mediocre people who didn't have
much passion for whatever they were doing. The only things
I learned in the industry were how to deal with tough
people and idiots, and that money you earned is pretty
useful when you're a grad student. I like grad school. I
always talk to new people, many who are smart or have very
different perspectives. The girls are totally hot (I guess
the older you get the hotter they look) and I feel
both intellectually and physically fulfilled. The girls I
date and fuck feel the same way.
\_ There are a lot of ways for a person to feel stuck in life.
I suppose the grass is always greener on the other side of
the fence, but when you've wasted some of your best years
working on shit no one cares about for almost no money
in a "job" that will count for nothing whatsoever if you
dare to leave before your advisor/boss decrees it you're
pretty fucking stuck. Abusing their position as advisor and
holding the degree hostage to force people to stay in
school longer is commong practice. Punishing those who
say they want to leave academia by making it still harder
to get permission to graduate is also standard. Apparently
you have a good life in grad school. Good for you. I
am wasting my youth doing something I hate and didn't even
get paid a decent wage for it. Fuck grad school.
\_ I know some people who were screwed over in grad
school, but it works out better for a lot of people
to have gone. A good way to do it is to work while
you go. More people than I realized do this. Maybe
they work reduced hours (25-30) but it's possible to
do. This is while going to top PhD programs like Caltech
and UCLA, too, not just 'weak' programs.
\_ UCLA is what now? -- ilyas
\_ Not in your field.
\_ Honestly, what field could it be, other than
film? UCLA blows, kthx. -- ilyas
-------------------/
UCLA CS PhD makes it to top 20 in many rankings, which is
still a lot higher than most of the other UCs. Yes, it's not
a 1st tier in the top 10 list but there are tons of other
things besides academics that one should be looking for in a
grad school. I for one say that UCLA is a GREAT school,
because it fits in my personal needs-- it is within 1 hour
drive from ALL my family members, 10 min from the beach,
3 hours from the ski slope, great restaurants, lots of
activities, etc. There are some bad things of course, like
the traffic, which you really can't do anything about
anyways. The fact that you keep bashing UCLA ("it is not
top tier->it sucks") and that you're still in UCLA, is an
indication that you made the wrong decision to go to UCLA.
First of all, there is life outside of academia, and UCLA
beats many top tier schools in that respect. Secondly, anyone
so serious about academics and school rankings would have
waited patiently for years and years to reapply to other top
tier schools. I know at least 2 people who did exactly that
(one for med school, one for Stanford PhD). Sure they lost
time/credit due to the transfer process but that's a
compromise. The fact that you settled for something less
than you wanted, and then complained and did nothing says
that you're just a lazy bum. Writing motd to convey your
frustration and disillusion is not particularly constructive
for you and for fellow students who happen to go to
your school. -kchang
\_ You went to UCLA so you can go to the beach or hit the
slopes? Why didn't you just get a normal job? I find
it interesting that people keep using 'rankings' like
US News, etc. Rankings as such mean nothing. I am not
having rankings in mind when I say UCLA blows. Also I am
noticing that all the good things you listed about UCLA
aren't about UCLA itself, but other things it's close to.
As to whether I made the wrong decision to go to UCLA, I
don't think I did. I think UCLA was literally the best
that I could do. -- ilyas
\_ if UCLA blows, then you blow even more. Seriously, this
is one of the most pathetic things I've ever heard.
You have an extremely high standard and a very low
self-esteem ("this sucks but it's the best I can do").
You remind me of this woman I met who was still single
in her mid-30s, no job, butt ugly, boring to talk to,
and complained that she couldn't marry someone smart
or rich. You're a beggar AND a chooser. -kchang
\_ Today's Deep Thought is brought to you by Kevin
Chang. Come to UCLA and sit next door to That Guy!
If you think I have low self esteem you haven't been
paying attention. -- ilyas
\_ Post on the motd! You to can participate in
high-quality intelligent conversations such as
this! -jrleek
\_ ^to^too. DOH!!!
\_ Planetary science, but way to devalue
your own hard work/degree.
\_ 'UCLA blows' is a statement about the
school. I would be happy to expand on this
at great length if anybody wants to email
me for details. I am reasonably happy with
both my advisor, and my topic. At any rate,
why should I attempt to deceive people
who might be thinking of coming here?
Do you really think the value of my degree
is going to be affected one way or the
other by my opinion? In fact, if you are
thinking of a PhD in terms of 'value of
degree' you are missing the whole point.
What's important is the work. -- ilyas
\_ You are saying that your program is
not one of the top programs and
you'd probably have gone somewhere
else. That has a small impact. Now
when people ask for advice or I
interview a candidate I will always
have your opinion in mind. I'm sure
I'm not the only one you've said
this to. Imagine if lots of other
students are saying the same things.
Not enough to make/break a school,
of course, but even you yourself
say you want to discourage people
from going there. As for value of
degree, it does matter somewhat. In
aerospace, for example, if your PhD
is from Purdue, Michigan, Texas, or
MIT you are already looking good
w/o knowing anything else about
you. I see the same schools pop up
again and again and again in new
hires. Not always, of course, but
often. |
| 2005/8/8-11 [Academia/GradSchool, Academia/UCLA, Industry/Jobs] UID:39055 Activity:nil |
8/8 Any students actually read motd? The Yahoo! Login and Registration
team is looking for a fresh college grad to write perl and
shell scripts. This position is for fresh college grads only.
If interested, send resumes to atom at yahoo-inc dot com
\_ I'm a starving PhD student and I am desperate for money. How
much do they pay and are they near UCLA? And how much referal
money do you get, and would you like to split with me? I'll take
33% of your referal. |
| 2005/2/28 [Academia/UCLA] UID:36464 Activity:very high |
2/28 Estimated motd edits in the past 24 hours by users:
* 40 ilyas
* 28 ecchang
* 19 tom
Congratulations ilyas, you're the biggest motd warrior today and
you've broken your record. Again, congrats. And now, you can insult
me using numbers. Insult #2 expected. -kchang
\_ #69: kchang, you should spend less time talking to sodans, and more
time making nice with h07 42n ch1x. once you graduate from UCLA,
you will not get this chance again.
\_ kchang IS asian, I expect his mother to set him up with
some h07 42n ch1k.
\_ Isn't kchang pushing 40 now? I imagine that his mother
has given up by now...
\_ WOW, how the hell did you get 40? Even tom's younger
\_ Since you yourself admitted your script was crap, I am surprised
you insist on making unsupported statements along the lines of
'biggest.' You remind me of that theory crackpot in UCLA who keeps
ranting about the Church-Turing thesis being invalidated by his
research (in reality he just redefines what a finished computation
means). -- ilyas
\_ ilyas, Ilyas Insult #2.
\_ This is really dumb. -!ilyas
\_ dude, at least he's sharing something. Why aren't you sharing
your script, Mr. Libertarian? |
| 2005/1/24 [Academia/UCLA] UID:35878 Activity:very high |
1/24 ilyas, tell us about the UCLA Westwood babes. What are some
differences between Cal/UCLA babes and what can you generalize. ok thx
\_ 2 h0t 4 U. -- ilyas
\_ ilyas is correct.
\_ Can anyone provide a theory as to why this might be true?
I believe you both, but why would there be more attractive
women in one area than another?
\_ I think it's partly cultural (people in LA, both male and
female, pay a lot more attention to apperance than
female, pay a lot more attention to appearance than
elsewhere, thus maximizing what God/genetics gave them),
and partly, attractive people come to LA in vain hopes of
winning the movie star lottery. -- ilyas
\_ It is more a case of the latter and thus UCLA is not
really where to go to find attractive people. That
is, most of them are not students. Go hang out in
Santa Monica, on Robertson, or on Melrose to find
the hot women who are here as model/actress/whatever.
Lots of women are also glorified whores who are
looking for wealthy men to be their sugar daddy. I
don't know why SF does not have this phenomenon like
LA and NYC do, but it doesn't. Probably because a
rich geek is still a geek.
\_ Not true at all. UCLA chicks are hot. So the former
is quite true. Some of the hot chicks have brains,
and they all have at least above-par SAT scores
and GPAs (which doesn't say shit about intelligence).
\_ The women off-campus are far hotter. You went
to Cal. They all look hot to you.
\_ Actually, it does, just not to the same degree.
Cf. girls from Marin who grew up on Mummy and Daddy's
money who now live in SF and dig The Scene-- and you,
if you're buying the drinks and the Fendi bags.
\_ If they are from rich families can't they buy
their own Fendi bags? I don't see the point of
being a whore when you are already rich,
although I guess it describes Paris Hilton.
\_ Women are all whores. It's part of culture...
the men always provide for the women, buy them
jewelry etc. Rich women just play at a higher
game level and don't need to settle down.
\_ People in LA are beautiful and stupid. -ausman
\_ This forces me to downgrade my estimation of my own
intelligence even further. -- ilyas
\_ And upgrade your own estimate of your beauty,
to be consistent, I hope. -ausman
\_ I ll settle for being satisfiable. -- ilyas
\_ Do you violate the compactness theorem?
\_ I'll violate yermom's theorem
\_ Not quite. The beautiful people are stupid, true.
There are also lots of smart and successful
people. They just tend to not be beautiful.
\_ I didn't mean every single one of them.
I would think that was obvious. Are you
from LA, perchance?
\_ Your statement seems to imply all of them,
but your explanation is fine.
\_ I don't believe this theory. Give us proofs, like
average measurement of body fat/weight ratio, the curvature
degree average, or something quantatively. I mean, this
is all subjective. In fact you guys are biased because you're
happy with the beautiful coastal weather, free beer or
something else. Let's see data.
\_ De grapes. Zey are zo zour!
\_ Just go hang out in West LA. I have had at least 3 very
attractive women who worked in West LA tell me that they
felt bad about themselves after spending every day there.
\_ Lots of fake boobs in LA and other plastic surgery.
\_ So if a woman has had liposuction does your dick
care?
\_ Dude, there's *a lot* more to good sex than mounting
and thrusting; not only interms of enthusiasm, but in
terms of what she's willing to do, and whether it's
pleasant when she does it, or just damn painful.
Otherwise, you're better off fucking a sack of
potatoes, since they don't ask for dinner afterward
and will at least stay moist from beginning to end.
\_ Only if she wants a pearl necklace.
\_ http://tinyurl.com/6am4r
Los Angeles ranks the same as Miami
\_ LA's great, but it's very specific (blonde and implanted).
NYC in the summer time has some incredible eye candy for
everyone.
\_ As an LA resident I can say that this is a stereotype.
There are lots of Latina, Jewish, Middle Eastern,
Indian, and other hotties.
\_ Don't forget Armenian.
\_ I included them as Middle-Eastern.
\_ Armenians are not middle eastern.
\_ If that's not the Middle East then what is it?
Yes, I realize they are not Arabs and are
from a Christian country but it looks like
the Middle East on a map.
\_ Armenians are Eastern European.
\_ Not in race, language, culture, or any
other way.
\_ Jew land looks also looks like middle east.
\_ It is the Middle East, too!
http://www.siteatlas.com/Maps/Maps/MEast.htm
Difference is that many people are dilute
Jews so you get blonde Jews and such.
\_ you missed African American, you RACIST
\_ Asian, too.
\_ My dates in L.A. have generally had smaller breasts, not
larger, and they haven't been blondes. They have,
however, been hotter. They take more time to take care
of their appearance since it's more valued here. That's
hard to "prove," but it's easy to see. The same, by the
way, is true of men. That's as opposed to Berkeley,
where concern for appearance takes up less than a minute
of many people's day. Berkeley is sort of the anti-L.A.
on the time/money vs. looks trade-off spectrum.
\_ my theory why ilyas feels miserable in the land of the beautiful:
http://www.unifr.ch/econophysics/articoli/dtelegraph.html
\_ I can only be truly happy on the motd, the land of the trolls.
-- ilyas
\_ Luckily, we don't all have the same standards of beauty. |
| 2004/12/31-2005/1/2 [Academia/UCLA] UID:35504 Activity:nil |
12/30 BCS is no joke. Cal stinks.
\_ Oh c'mon... whatever we were doing out on the field tonight is
not how we played all season. You could tell that Cal wasn't
really there; they didn't want to be there, they were not
playing with much effort at all.
\_ I see it as, as nice as our season was, we still have a ways to
go. Notably special teams and tougher DBs.
\_ I went to the game and I agree with this. You don't give up
520 yards passing because of lack of effort. There were
problems. Oregon, for example, exposed them. Cal faded late
in the season for whatever reason and still won because
the schedule got easier. UCLA lost to Wyoming! I think
USC will get pounded by Oklahoma. We will see. |
| 2004/12/1-3 [Academia/UCLA] UID:35147 Activity:moderate |
12/1 Here's the complete list of top 200 universities in the world:
http://www.coe.berkeley.edu/newsroom/2004/rankingsTimes.pdf
\_ Rankings are lame. All I want to say is, UCLA _better not_ be
#26 overall. That would make me very sad. -- ilyas
\_ UCLA is a world-class institution in many fields. What's
your gripe?
\_ The CS department? Well, that and the 'soul of UCLA.'
-- ilyas
\_ What is your gripe with the department? Poor quality
research being done?
\_ There is some decent research that comes out of UCLA
CS ... sometimes, but I think the dept. is sick.
I am just comparing to how I remember the Cal CS
dept. was. -- ilyas
dept. was. If you honestly care, send me an
email, and I ll ramble more. -- ilyas
\_ We're #2: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-1343642,00.html
\_ I'm assuming you just got that email from Newton, too?
\_ Yup. When I last mentioned the ranking on the motd, I couldn't
locate the complete list.
\_ let's see how many people think this is a bogus ranking.
\_ It depends on how you look at it. It is almost certainly bogus
for the purposes of choosing a school for studying a particular
degree in a particular career..
\_ You are obviously not a Korean (or Chinese) mother.
\_ And obviously never served.
\_ BUD DAY didn't send HIS kids to Berkeley!
\_ What if you don't have definite plans for a degree or a
career when you're choosing the college to attend?
career when you're choosing the college to attend? Then
wouldn't picking the highest ranked (whatever your favorite
list may be) college be a reasonable strategy?
\_ No way. Depending on your personality type, your chances
of figuring out what you want to do and succeeding at it
might be much higher at a small liberal arts college or
might be much higher at a huge state school. There are
both of this type of school that are similarly ranked
in most rankings, and I think this is a very important
choice to make, regardless of what level of ranking
school you've gotten into. For me, a huge state school
was exactly the right place to be, but I've definitely
seen people get lost in the system at Cal who would probably
have done a lot better at some little liberal arts school
where they're not just a number.
\_ Then at least see the rankings based on your career
choice. For example, they have Harvard listed at the
top but that doesn't imply that Harvard is the best
engineering or say CS school. Just like Caltech and
MIT (listed no 4 and 3 respectively) are not the best
schools for many social sciences or humanities.
\_ Anyone who hasn't settled on a degree yet is not
likely to have settled on a career, and in any case I
stipulated "... don't have definite plans for a degree
or a career...".
\_ The criteria used for those rankings, makes those
rankings even less relevant to undergraduate education.
On the other hand, if you're considering going to grad
school, then at that point you certainly already know
what to study.
\_ Agreed. I implicitely limited the choice to undergrad
when I said "choosing the college [vs. grad school] to
attend". |
| 2004/11/20 [Academia/UCLA] UID:34997 Activity:nil |
11/20 I. HATE. UCLA. JOCKS. They party late at night and wake up
early in the morning and they drink beer and party and
they yell a lot with their jock voice, like gorillas trying
to assert their gorilla-ness in the society. Oh well at least
the girls are dumb and slutty. |
| 2004/11/19-20 [Academia/UCLA] UID:34993 Activity:moderate 54%like:32974 |
11/19 What's the url for that motd archive @ ucla?
\_ it's in mehlhaff's directory
\_ mehlhaff is DA BEST!!! |
| 2004/11/12-13 [Academia/UCLA] UID:34870 Activity:nil |
11/11 How can I find out the name of a UCLA student if I
know their account name on the <DEAD>bol.ucla.edu<DEAD> system?
Thanks.
\_ Hi kchang. Stop stalking people.
\_ there's only one person worthy enough to stalk-- lila patton
\_ email him/her and ask. |
| 2004/11/4 [Academia/UCLA] UID:34660 Activity:high |
11/4 Has anyone actually verified that ilyas is a person? I mean, could
he just be an AI simulation at UCLA?
\_ No, I've met him. He's a decent sort of fellow, but his online
personality isn't very reflective.
\_ You mean I don't reflect as much in person as I do on the
internet? *duck* -- ilyas
\_ Cool, does this mean I failed the turing test? -- ilyas
\_ Can you prove you aren't just later version of the bchoibot?
\_ The what now? -- ilyas
\_ bchoi was a smart guy who posted on motd. then he got married
\_ Smart guy who posted on the motd? AND married?
That doesn't describe me at all. -- ilyas
\_ The bchoibot I knew wasn't smart and was the least
eligible bachalor I could think of.
\_ smart but beast like. who married him?
\_ Is it because of your childhood that you say the what now?
\_ There doesn't seems to be a bchoi on soda now, what
happen? Someone set up him the bomb? |
| 2004/10/31 [Academia/UCLA] UID:34488 Activity:nil |
10/31 UCLA is a great school but there's one thing I really hate about
it-- jocks. Jocks on Gayley, jocks on Veteran, jocks on Westwood,
jocks everywhere. They listen to loud music and think they're
cool, and they yell a lot on special events like Halloween and
and frat parties. You know what I hate the most though?
Sports game-- it's like they synchronize their frat boy like
yelling so that the entire campus could hear them. It's really
stupid and reflects the overall lack of intelligence in UCLA.
\_ There are deeper things wrong with UCLA. -- ilyas
\_ like what? -op
\_ I d really rather not write a long motd essay about UCLA,
so email me if you want a detailed answer. A lot of it
you can't really pick up until you hang around UCLA and
UCLA people for a while. This 'thing' is why I think UCLA
will never be a top tier school, despite having all the
prereqs (lots of research money, good location, good brand,
etc). UCLA people are simply
willing to settle. There isn't the Berkeley culture of
staying past 4am to get the last bits of the project working,
you know? For some people this kind of 'balanced approach'
is ideal, but it makes me very sad. UCLA is full of people
with busy lives who happen to be taking classes (or teaching,
or doing research) on the side. -- ilyas |
| 2004/10/22-23 [Academia/UCLA] UID:34294 Activity:high |
10/22 Most expensive colleges in the US:
http://money.cnn.com/2004/10/21/pf/college/expensive_colleges/index.htm
How about Europe? How much are boarding schools in Switzerland?
\_ Why do you want to know? You want your son to run for President?
\_ IMD in Lausanne takes the cake for MBAs. Lycaeum Alpinum in Zuoz
is an expensive boarding high school for little rich snots; mots
other private schools here are for "difficult" students or those
with learning disabilities. Across Europe, the great universities
tend to be public--I can only think of Oxford/Cambridge as
pricey private Universities (and they've apparently lapsed pretty
badly in terms of quality.) -John
\_ http://Economist.com says Oxford and Cambridge are still in the top
20 worldwide... of course so is UCLA (which kind of scares me,
since the world can't be that bad). University rankings in
general are sort of an iffy thing. -- ilyas
\_ why do you look down on UCLA, the land of the happy
sexy and healthy women.
\_ Email me if you want a serious answer. -- ilyas
\_ They admitted ilyas and kchang to their grad program.
\_ w00t!
\_ Are there any great universities in Britain that are public?
\_ Are U of Edinburgh or LSE public? |
| 2004/10/13 [Academia/UCLA, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:34092 Activity:high |
10/13 Is this the most active motd out there? Are other school orgs' motds
this contentious and political?
\_ Well, at <DEAD>csua.ucla.edu<DEAD> they just talk about h07 42n ch1x, and at
<DEAD>csua.uci.edu<DEAD> they talk about rice rockets and Counter-Strike.
\_ University of Civics and Integras
\_ aka, University of Chinese Immigrants
\_ Dude, I am so at the wrong motd. How do I get into the UCI
CSUA?
\_ There is no UCLA CSUA. It became the UCLA LUG. -- ilyas |
| 2004/10/12-13 [Academia/UCLA, Recreation/Sports] UID:34063 Activity:low |
10/12 How long will we be able to keep Tedford?
http://csua.org/u/9fm
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6195155 |
| 2004/10/8 [Academia/UCLA] UID:33984 Activity:high |
10/8 Go Trojans!
\_ Roll on you be-ah!
\_ For those who don't know, Cal #7, vs USC #1 this weekend, Channel 7
12:30p, Sat.
\_ Oddsmakers have USC over Cal by more than 7 points.
\_ How much was USC favored by last year?
\_ True, even the L.A. Times has picked Cal to win tomorrow.
\_ Article no doubt written by a UCLA grad.
\_ actually, Northridge
\_ Go Durex! Go Spartans! |
| 2004/8/25 [Academia/UCLA] UID:33125 Activity:very high |
8/24 So, any UCLA students know a good place to meet UCLA coeds?
\_ WWIII and vodka
\_ forget UCLA girls. just go to the bars/clubs.
\_ I'd rather meet college students, but name a good bar/club
where one can meet coeds. I don't want to meet 19 year old
single moms from El Monte.
\_ oh yeah, kchang and ilyas are hooked in with all the babes
\_ The question can be asked: "Where do UCLA students hang out?"
\_ the Bruin walk is a nice place to socialize. But really
the best way is to participate in activities from the
Wooden Center, where you can play golf for $15 and wind
surf for $20 or take swing dance for only $17 per quarter
(each quarter is 10 weeks). Activities are highly
subsidized by UCLA and they're really really cheap and
usually has a few pretty chicks. If you want to do hard
core sciences and enjoy staying in the computer lab 24x7,
MIT/Caltech/Cal is a great place to go to. But if you want
a well balanced life, UCLA is it -happy ucla student
\_ yeah, I'm sure the 25K+ students at Cal who are not
doing "hard core sciences" all stay in the computer
lab 24x7.
\_ Agreed. Most of the non-CS students I knew at Cal
spent the majority of their time getting laid.
This may explain Bitter Berkeley CS Student Sydrome.
\_ It's okay, because although some of them got
JDs and MBAs and are now running your company,
most of them are flipping burgers.
\_ this is so fucking arrogant. Do you know
anything about Chemical/Mechnical Engineering?
Have you taken any of music theory/harmony/
counterpoint classes? There are plenty of
demanding courses/majors on campus.
\_ Yeah, but we all know the ChemE people were
having mass orgies during "FORTRAN labs".
\_ It's all about the GPA. If you are willing to
settle for C's, you can find the free time to
date plenty of hotties. And my time at Cal
was more productive than any other.
\_ Face down. In the gutter.
\_ LA? |
| 2004/8/17 [Academia/UCLA] UID:32956 Activity:very high |
8/17 Cal student Natalie Coughlin wins gold medal
http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/summer04/swimming/news/story?id=1860462
\_ Yep, she definitely looks like a female Cal student. Why didn't I
go to UCLA?! *cry*
\_ she could probably crush your head with her thighs
\_ That's nice but I don't have a wrestler fetish.
\_ urlP (no pic in the main article)
\_ #t
\_ For those who keep saying "urlP" you do know this is a predicate
with a truth value, right? It's not a request for url.
\_ From which pic did you infer this?
\_ She may be ugly but she's already more successful than
you'll ever be in your career.
\_ Google is your friend.
http://csua.org/u/8mq
\_ http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/cal/sports/w-swim/auto_action/a-coughlin2-0203wswim.jpg
\_ http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/cal/sports/w-swim/auto_action/a-coughlin2-0203wswim.jpg
She looks quite pretty to me. I don't know what the problem is.
\_ I agree. She's kind of cute.
http://sports.yahoo.com/search?p=coughlin&photos=1&sp=1&ep=19
\_ The "why didn't I go to UCLA" guy doesn't like smart,
pretty, athletic women. Coughlin is a babe.
\_ No.
\_ Yes, I do, and no, she isn't. Isn't disagreeing fun?
\_ No.
\_ My ideal woman will have broad shoulders and strong arms
with which she can crush my pasty-white, nerdling body.
Hallelujah!
\_ UCLA guy is an idiot
link:tinyurl.com/5svxo (sportsillustrated.cnn.com)
http://amiannoying.com/view.aspx?ID=9057
\_ Some of us prefer women that don't look like boys.
\_ This is a boy?
http://www.berkeley.edu/news/chancellor/bim/oct_03.html
\_ I can see her back muscles from the front.
\_ Just because she could twist your girly man body around
in a pretzel and laugh while doing it and yet she's
still pretty. This is why you find her unattractive?
\_ She looks like the Terminatrix from T-3
\_ Is she really the most celebrated Cal athlete? More than
say Matt Biondi or Michelle Granger?
\_ he may be an idiot but he's probably getting more than you
\_ if he thinks women like Natalie Coughlin are ugly, then
he's probably not |
| 2004/7/20-21 [Academia/UCLA] UID:32378 Activity:low |
7/20 Any good free/cheap wireless cafes near the UCLA campus? I need to do
some work there this afternoon and I can't get on the campus network. |
| 2004/4/6 [Academia/UCLA] UID:13035 Activity:kinda low |
4/6 What are people's experience with corkage? Cafe de la Paz charges
$15/750 ml bottle. Does anybody know prices from other places?
I'm specifically looking for places that host banquet dinners.
-- ulysses
\_ DUDE, you on drugs or what? $15 buys me 3 really really nice
meals at Carl's Jr. or 4 decent meals at Burger King. Gimme your
money if you have so much to waste -poor ucla student
\_ in college, my roommate and i debated on whether or not we
should invest in a pallet of topramen. If you need to understand
the scope of this... you can buy topramen in bulk at Costco for
$0.06/package. I think the cost of the pallet came down to
<$0.03/package, but mostly we thought it would be cool to have
a pallet of ramen sitting in our living room.
\_ From my general experience, $15 is about average, give or take a
buck. Restaurants usually mark up low-end bottles by $15-20.
So I figure unless the bottle I'm brining is at least in the
$50+ range, it really doesn't matter.
\_ I don't know about banquets, but it varies. Some places won't
let you cork a bottle that's on their list at all. Some places
discount corkage if you also buy a bottle from their list. Some
places have free corkage. In general, corkage is supposed to
cover the cost of the stemware and the sommelier/server. $15 is
a fair corkage fee.
\_ You can get a deal in San Francisco by going to a place that
has applied for its liquor license but doesn't have it yet.
They almost always let you bring your own vino and don't charge
corkage. Sometimes, other places with no liquor license will
just let you bring your own, too, but they tend to be lower
end places. I have never seen this in any other city.
\_ This happens in SoCal, too. It's probably common. |
| 2004/3/15-16 [Academia/UCLA] UID:12691 Activity:low |
3/15 is it possible to unregister a domain name? a friend of mine has been
threatened legal action by UCLA and wants to drop all association w/
a website he registered a few months back.
\- sell it on ebay. --psb
\_ he's trying to minimize complications... and no, it is not
cadaver related.
\_ so umm, why doesn't he just contact his registrar? they can disable
his domain, if not delete it outright.
\_ as long as he doesn't post any unlawful material on that
website, ucla has no grounds to sue him on. even if he owns
<DEAD>uclacansuckmydick.com<DEAD>.
\_ Wrong. UCLA can sue, and win, for trademark infractions.
<DEAD>uclacansuckmydick.com<DEAD> probably would be safe, but
universityofcalifornialosangeles wouldn't be.
\_ fucla seems to have lost.
\_ I am no legal expert but my understanding is that not matter
how groundless a law suit it is, you must respond to it unless
the court refuse even to accept it (very unlikely). Once a suit
is filed against you, you have to respond it by yourself or thru
legal counsel in acordance with the legal practice, i.e. you can
not just say they are morons they have got no legal basis. So no
matter how frivilous a law suit is, it can cost you thousands of
dollars. If in the end you win, you might get your legal expense
covered if you are lucky, but that is 2 big IFs.
\_ are you trying to say that UCLA can do whatever the fuck it
wants to because it has more money and lawyers than us plebes?
surely this can't be allowed to continue in a democracy!
\_ i know youre being sarcastic but youre also wrong. we have
laws against SLAPP suits from big corps and other mega
entities such as UCLA. op needs to find someone willing to
take his SLAPP suit on a contingency basis and counter sue.
UCLA is unlikely to go to court over a domain name if they
have something on the line in a SLAPP suit and will most
likely settle and go away.
\_ Even for SLAPP suits, you need to find a lawyer or
defend it competently yourself. That is = money + time
+ anxiety = $$$. You might get compensated afterward
IF your defense is competent.
\_ Transfer it to me, I'll take it. (what is it?) -crebbs |
| 2004/3/10-11 [Academia/UCLA, Recreation/Stripclub] UID:12598 Activity:low |
3/10 Dear motd readers. I got sick and tired of turning up my AC to cool
down my apartment because of all the power hogging servers I run
24x7. I decided to do something really different. I went to Home
Depot to buy a exhaust/ventilation/pipe kit and hooked them up on a
big fan to direct the hot PC exhaust outside. Voila! No more
hot apartment (and it doesn't smells like a server room anymore).
-ucla student (and yes LA has been kinda hot lately)
\_ Uh... congrats?
\_ tell us about the stars ilyas!
\_ Heh. We went over this already. There are at least 3 different
csua people at ucla. I never ever sign as 'ucla student.'.
You think I am proud to attend a school which harvests organs
for profit? Get a life. -- ilyas
\_ who are the 3 UCLA students?
\_ I respect their privacy. If they read the motd,
and care to do so, they will identify themselves.
-- ilyas
\_ Umm, funny I think we are (were in my case) listening to
the same show (in any event this is on NPR right now)
and they make this seem all particularly sinister 'cause
it deals with lumps of human flesh, but, the only real/
reasonable issue here (as far as i can tell) is that UCLA
was NOT profiting. The Professor was pocketing the cash.
-phuqm
\_ you mean the director of the program (who was earning
$56K salary and has a certificate in mortuary services)
was taking the cash
\_ umm, yeah, what you said. Though, boy, 56k really?
Maybe the university is complicitous (in which case
it is just a perk and there is NO issue here). 56K
seems low for the director to be making. How much
do directors of other programs make there? -phuqm
\_ you guys are spoiled. 56K in Los Angeles
can get you a LOT of goodies. -ucla stud
\_ I hear the strippers will do nude
lap dances for only $20 there. Is
that true?
\_ They are topless and in a G-string,
but yes.
\_ What are the best places to go?
\_ $20 will get you topless $40 nude, you can get
coupons for free topless lapdances by staples
center (Spearmint Rhino). However, i think they
used to grind you but then a no touching
ordinance passed. was that repealed?
LA Strip Clubs >> SF Strip Clubs.
\_ LA has move strip clubs than SF? =) Anyway,
Strip clubs for the gents seems very boring.
If you goto http://partyhardcore.com, you'll see what
I mean. (work UNsafe!)
\_ No professor was profitting on this...just the
director of that Willed Body program. |
| 2004/2/20-21 [Academia/UCLA] UID:12335 Activity:nil |
2/22 YACRL (yet another college ranking list)--this time Chinese
http://ed.sjtu.edu.cn/rank/rank-2003.mht Cal #4. -John
\_ pppppppooooooooooooooinnnnnnnnntlesssssssssssssssssssssssssss.
\_ i wonder if this is e.u. funded shanghai study mentioned in
the economist a few weeks ago.
\_ this url is laughable!
\_ the first "ed" in it reflects that it is the website for the
institute on (higher) education.
\_ UCLA's #15! GO BRUINS!!!!! Beat Bears! -bruin bear
\_ Hi paolo!
\_ wait I thought paolo goes to UCB grad school. Or Stanford.
Can't remember.
\_ 15 > 4, therefore UCLA > Berkeley! |
| 2004/1/30-31 [Academia/UCLA] UID:12037 Activity:very high |
1/30 Props to "She Bangs" on American Idol ... go Beahs!
\- What the heck is this about?
\_ It's about some lame ass guy on some lame ass show. It's
better that you not get into it.
\_ Some people wait a lifetime for this damn show to get off the air.
\_ Hasn't this fucking show died yet? \_ that's "Beah!"
\_ Nope. Would you like to start a thread, ranting
and raving about that now?
\_ Was he a Cal student? I thought he was UCLA.
\_ UCB Civ Eng. Anyone here know him?
\_ Same thing.
\_ wow, someone actually paid a few bucks to register this domain.
http://www.williamhung.net |
| 2004/1/5 [Academia/UCLA] UID:11657 Activity:kinda low |
1/4 ilyas goes to UCLA:
panther:~> finger ilyas
Login name: ilyas In real life: Ilya Shpitser
Directory: /u/gs3/ilyas Shell: /bin/csh
Last login Thu Jan 1 16:05 on pts/90 from lsanca1-ar11-4-6
New mail received Sun Jan 4 12:04:12 2004;
unread since Thu Jan 1 16:08:03 2004
No Plan.
\_ ok, so are you trying to point out his bad taste in shells, or what.
\_ no, it just tells us who exactly is the ucla cs student
who is having a lot of sex and having alot of fun
\_ i thought you might be suggesting that, but figured you
wouldn't be stupid enough to make that implication.
i stand corrected.
\_ You could have figured out where I was by going to my csua
homepage, or simply asking me. And no, the 'ucla cs guy'
is not me. I know at least 2 csua members at UCLA right
now, and about 10 former Berkeley students. -- ilyas
\_ next, our genius op will discover who the guy who works
in the south bay is, and who the guy from fremont is, and
all anonymity will be gone forever.
\_ By that logic, I go to Stanford. - pst
hey Ilya, check out Ars Gladitoria:
http://www.chivalrybookshelf.com/titles/vadi/vadi.htm
\_ alright, so ilyas isn't having a lot of fun/sex in ucla.
by the process of elimination, who else is left?
\_ Yermom. |
| 2003/10/23-24 [Academia/UCLA] UID:10761 Activity:kinda low |
10/23 So I've been having a lot of sex lately and I'm pretty happy
except I've been getting a lot of unwanted calls too (girls who
don't wanna acknowledge that we simply had a 1 nighter). My solution
is to get Anonymous Call Block ($1) and Selective Call Block ($3).
Works well. You guys should get it too. -happy ucla student
\_ Maybe you should answer these calls. One
of these women might be calling you to tell you she has an STD.
\_ or maybe you're a daddy. not so happy now, eh?
\_ Of course, you're assuming our dicks get as much action as yours.
\_ is it just me, or it seems to me that ucla students have a lot
more fun than us? why is that?
\_ speak for yourself. i never had a problem keeping my bed warm.
\_ Any herpes yet? Remember, 1 in 5!
\_ And AIDS?
\_ Herpes is much much much much much much [...] much easier
to get, especially for heterosexuals.
\_ and condoms don't prevent.
\_ oh they help a little bit
\_ not enough. tell your dick it only has a little
bit of herpes during your first outbreak.
\_ do you have it?
\_ ask your girl if you want to know.
\_ You mean yermom knows?
\_ UCLA students do have a lot more fun... --ucla guy
Cal students can still have fun, it's just way less common. And the
girls are of a different... variety.
\_ dumber, put out more, less bitchy, more attractive?
\_ Yes!
\_ Yes!! Except bitchy in a different sort of way (soriority
bitchy vs. vegan bitchy).
\_ UCLA students do have a lot more fun... --ucla cs grad guy #2 |
| 2003/10/10-11 [Academia/UCLA] UID:10582 Activity:nil |
10/10 I just went to rms' talk in UCLA. He is an idealistic communist.
\_ Who is rms?
\_ This is rms:
/ftp/pub/john/tunes/why-cooperation-with-rms-is-impossible.au
\_ one of the very few people in the world whose identity can
be found only by putting their initials into google.
\_ what is wrong with communist?
\_ maybe you haven't noticed that they've destroyed everything
they've ever touched? |
| 2003/10/9 [Academia/UCLA] UID:10540 Activity:nil |
10/8 When I was in UCB I didn't have any sex, but now that I'm in UCLA,
I'm having a LOT of sex. The ugrad girls here are definitely prettier
and a lot hornier, and I guess they really dig grad students more than
bitchy UCB girls. I really really like UCLA better than UCB. I'll take
a lesser degree over a lot more sex any time. -happy ucla cs student
\_ Your reporting is flawed. Were you an undergrad cs student at
UCB? Have you changed your hygiene or attitude since you were at
UCB? Are you paying for sex at UCLA? Are the ugrad girls you're
sleeping with students of yours? It's hard for your peers to
review your research when you're this vague.
\_ Agreed. We need a peer reviewed journal for getting laid.
\_ And no, "Penthouse Forum" doesn't count.
\_ Glad you left UCB. I wish more people who were more interested in
sex than an education would just go to the state schools and open
slots for people who want good academics.
\_ so...you're saying UCB is *not* a state school?
\_ My apologies. California State University vs. University of
California.
\_ But last I heard, UCLA is University of California at Los
Angeles. Or did it move to Los Alamos?
\_ Sorry dude, but an education isn't just academics. And frankly,
a lot of the undergrads at Cal are narrow-minded swamp pigs.
I know that it makes a lot of Cal students bitter that there are
good schools out there, bogus magazine rankings notwithstanding,
where people do receive rewarding academic and personal
development, end up with excellent jobs, AND have a bit of a
life while doing it. Good job, UCLA student. -John
\_ Bitter ex-Cal students that can't get laid pretty much
explains the entire motd, really.
\_ Wow, now that you mention it, that's actually pretty
much spot-on... -John
\_ Sorry to hear that John, come to California, and
we'll get you laid.
\_ "Ex-Cal Student" is about all I have in common
with the demographic being discussed. I live on
the continent of girls without major 'tudes, and
"hey-it's-summer-let's-take-off-all-our-clothes".
I am sometimes so glad I moved out of CA that it
defies words. Even just leaving Berkeley was a
huge eye-opener. -John
\_ Yet, you are still in love with the motd,
like a bitch in heat. |
| 2003/7/17-18 [Academia/UCLA] UID:29074 Activity:insanely high |
7/16 Poll. How happy are you/were you in the following schools, where
10=very very happy and 1=depressed. I'll start -ucla cs guy
Berkeley: 3, 9, 1, 10 at first then 1 then back to 10, 9, 4, 8
\_ what are you, a schizo?
UCLA: 8
SITN (Stanford): 4
CalTech: 1
NYU: 1
SDCC: 7
Stanfurd: 3
\_ I was very depressed going to Berkeley but didn't see it until
after I graduated and recovered from the hell that is Berkeley.
BTW, rates going up dramatically in the Fall. Good luck to you
all.
\_ How dramatically?
\_ The Chronicle said $450 extra each semester. I graduated
long ago but I recall that being a *lot* of money when I
was in school. And that $450 is probably not the last
increase in the next year or two they said.
\_ Hey, ucla cs guy, did you end up marrying ucla ee guy?
\_ no, but I ended up having a lot more sex than when I
\_ with UCLA EE guy?
\_ with UCLA EE guy?
no, with horny undergrad girls -op -/
\_ all undergrad girls are horny. if you went through
your undergrad years without getting laid anytime
you wanted some you must've had your head in a sack
\_ I didn't, I wanted to save myself.
\_ like I said, head in sack. save yourself for
what? screwing up your sex life with your
spouse because you're an inexperienced and
lousy lover? it helps to know what each
hole is for *before* you get married.
was in UCB. I'm VERY happy here. I didn't give a 10
because I'm really unhappy about the rent here (Westwood
has no rent control and we're surrounded by Bev Hills,
Brentwood, BelAir, etc etc). But overall I like UCLA
a LOT better than UCB.
\_ UCLA sucks. It's not about horny girls, you can find
them anywhere. It's all beer and football, no substance.
\_ Why did Caltech get such a low rating?
\_ No women.
\_ Caltech is also known as a homosexual haven.
\_ I think you meant "asexual".
\_ Why asexual? All the girls-only schools are heavily
lesbian with tremendous pressure for the straight girls
to 'go along to get along'. Why not the same at what
is essentially an all-boys school? Just like prison.
\_ maybe in certain fields, but i know a large number
of women at mills who are most definitely straight
and horny.
\_ a "large number?" so what. most women are
straight. if 20% of the student population
is lesbian, there are still a "large number" of
straight girls, but compared to the general
population, there's no question that's
heavily lesbian.
\_ think about cory and soda, and who is there. now
imagine that you clone that group of poeple
several times and get rid of all the other poeple
on the ucb campus.
\_ so from the survey I guess the higher ranking school you go to
the less likely you'll be happy there eh?
\_ pretty much
\_ no one ever said school would be fun. |
| 2003/5/11-12 [Academia/Berkeley/Classes, Academia/UCLA] UID:28409 Activity:high |
5/11 I have been accepted to UCLA for Fall 03 (CS & Engr) and to Berkeley
for Spring 04 (EECS), granted that I take a community college class
in Fall. Is Berkeley worth waiting for and why?
\_ yes.
\_ Are you posting for someone or is this for grad school? If the
latter it's all about your advisor.
\_ It's for undergrad and I attended Berkeley for summer school
last summer (CS61a).
\_ wait for Berkeley. Have fun in community college.
\_ I think I'd rather get started on college, IMO. You didn't make
Berkeley, so why wait? UCLA is good enough, unless there's an
overwhelming reason you don't want to be in LA. UCB has the
better program, of course, if you're really serious - but if
you're really serious you wouldn't have to take a CC class. --dim
\_ what's the rush for? I don't think there is really a rush.
Good things are worth the wait.
\_ BS EECS from Cal is a *MUCH* better degree than BS CS from
UCLA. Cal EECS teaches you stuff about computers and
programming, just about how to use win32 and java. While
you are in school it is also much easier to get summer
interships in the bay area if you attend Cal (there aren't
as many CS type companies in the LA area). Once you
graduate, it is much easier to get a job or get into grad
school if you have a BS EECS from Cal.
You should wait for Cal and have a good time in CC.
\_ If you want to have a bitter & lousy time in school and have a
blast after you graduate, go to Cal. I had a miserable time in
Cal. Forget about dating and meeting people and having fun, you
will most likely spend your miserable junior/senior years in
Cory Hall and/or Soda Hall. On the other hand it's much easier
getting a job after college with a Cal degree. So it's your
choice. UCLA is a pretty well balanced school. UCB is a really
competitive & academic school w/ugly uptight chicks. Trade offs
ya know.
\_ It wasn't THAT bad, man. If you keep up and don't turn into a
total slacker you can maintain a healthy social life and still
earn a decent GPA. I did it, and I'm pretty stupid.
\_ Don't sell yourself short - you are exceptionally stupid.
\_ I'm stupider that you can possibly imagine. But at
least I can post to motd correctly.
\_ DV: When I left, I was but the learner; now I
am the dumbass.
BK: Only a dubmbass of evil, Darth. If you strike
me down now, I will become stupider than you
can possibly imagine.
BK: Only a dubmbass of evil, Darth. If you
censor my motd posts now, I will become stupider
than you can possibly imagine.
\_ just because you were a pathetic low life geek at cal doesn't
mean everyone was. Stop hating and start recogonzing you were
just fucking lame back then.
\_ there are over 15,000 women at Cal. If you can't find one, you
suck.
\_ There are a lot of hot chicks at Cal and several of us were
getting them when I was in school. Let me give you a starting
tip on what it takes: shower everyday. I had a blast at Cal and
a blast afterwards. I had a mediocre GPA and it didn't matter
because after my first job no one asked. GPA is only for people
going to grad school. The rest of us did just fine getting laid
all the time, thanks. Oh yeah hint #2: the hot chicks aren't in
the labs at cory/soda. Go take some fuzzy classes P/NP. You
only live once, don't fuck it up for some random number. |
| 2003/5/7 [Academia/UCLA] UID:28360 Activity:very high |
5/7 To the guy who posted this yesterday:
\_ UCB = last. How could you possibly think UCB >> UCD? They've
got all those healthy and friendly farm girls. UCB has drug
addict whores putting out for hits and taking third helpings in
the food line at the dorms.
\_ but this sounds more like Wm. S. Burroughs-esque paranoid
fantasy than any kind of reality.
\_ how so? it seems more empirical than theory. check out the
garbage chicks on sproul. now drag yourself out to davis
and see what's there. compare and contrast. 6-8 pages. due
at monday's lecture.
\_ A-hah. I thought it was a description of "drug addict
whores..." in the dorms. My bad, I suppose.
\_ csua motd observations on women: it's like high school, only
with even less chance of you getting laid.
\_ Getting laid at college is easier than finding a hooker in
Oakland. If you can't get laid now it'll be near impossible
after you graduate.
You're one very funny dude. Can you give us a screen name to call
you by? Like "psb #1 fan" or "BDG". I like your humor and I want
to be a #1 fan. Thanks.
\_ Thanks for the kudos. I'll keep posting but it'll be anonymous.
Just enjoy the motd for what it is. --anonymous motd comic
\_ Keep 'em coming! -AMC #2 fan
\_ not to be confused with SAMC
\_ GIrl ranking: UCLA > UCSD > UCSB > UCI > UCR > UCD > UCSC > UCB
Academic ranking: UCB > UCLA > UCSD > UCI > UCD > UCSB|UCSC|UCR
\_ Seems like UCLA has the best deal then.
\_ that comment depends on your priority and point of view.
GO BEAH!!!
\_ Hot chicks are the only thing important. The rest is
bullshit. You're at school for a GPA? Crazy....
\_ That reminds me of a past ranking of ten trucks, er, SUVs,
involving Mercedes ML320 and Jeep Grand Cherokee. In the on-road
category, ML320 ranked #1 and GC ranked #2, while in the off-road
category, GC ranked #1 and ML320 ranked last in the last. So
UCB <--> ML320 and UCLA <--> GC.
\_ That reminds me of a recent survey of technical fields
to see who used the most obutuse metaphors and who used the
most obtuse analogies. CS <----> CS.
\_ I was recently at my sister's UCLA graduation. There was so much
eye candy.
\_ Yes, but they mostly aren't students. West LA has some of the
most beautiful women anywhere, but I'm not sure UCLA can
take credit for them. --dim
\_ Nah, there are lots of hot women at UCLA itself.
\- this is true ... the "walking around westwood"
experience is well beyond the "walking down
telegraph" one --psb
\_ hold your nose going down telegraph
\_ The non-student gals were just there hoping to be picked up
by some hotshot MBA grads.
\_ yeah so?
\_ Any idea about H0T A4N CH1X rankings? Does this sound right?
UCI > UCLA > UCSB > UCSD > UCR > UCSC > UCB > UCD
\_ Don't forget to do boy rankings. Perhaps, CSUAs female members
can rank UC boys. Would be interesting to hear the other side.
\_ why would this be interesting? The rankings are totally
unrelated. men look for hot bodies. women look for money and
power potential for LTR and bikers for quickie hot sex.
\_ Forget ranking the campuses. I think the CSUA female member(s)
should vote on a "Men of CSUA" calendar as a fundraiser.
\_ Pfft. With commentary like the above, I think we can
assume that UCB's going to end up last.
\_ Frat Boys > Co-Op Members > Dormers > Live At Home Boys >
Liberal Arts Geeks > Drama Geeks > Bio Majors > CS Majors
> Band Geeks > Average CSUA Member
\_ And where do I belong? I am a frat boy, a MCB major and a
CSUA member.
\_ How do frat boys and co-opers top that list, for
either sex? Gimme a freshman dorm resident any day.
\_ Point. Perhaps:
Handsome&&Built&&Smart&&Social >
Handsome&&Smart&&Social >
Handsome&&Social >
Smart&&Social | Handsome&Built >
Social >
Built | Handsome >
Smart
\_ anyone who needs to identify as any of those or other
classifications is a loser. |
| 2003/5/5-6 [Academia/UCLA, Academia/OtherSchools] UID:28334 Activity:very high |
5/5 What are the rankings of the UC schools? I know that UCB=1 and
UCSC=last, but what about the UCs in between?
\_ Generally UCB=1, UCLA=2, UCSD=3, the rest suck.
For some things UCSD > UCLA.
\_ can you be more specific?
\_ CS theory for example.
\_ CS Networking (Protocols/Routing/Switching)
\_ I don't know... UCLA is very buff at CS networking.
\_ Hmm, I hadn't heard that UCSF sucks.
\_ UCSF isn't a general university. UCSF is great, of course.
\_ UCSF is the #1 med school in the nation. They
have a pretty good Law School as well.
\_ First, the law school isn't at UCSF, it is UC Hastings!
UCSF only does biomedical disciplines (and only graduate).
Second, they are never ranked #1 overall for med-school,
Harvard, Mayo, and JHU are often, and usually ahead of
them. And anybody who cares about overall rankings instead
of discipline based is most likely going to the wrong
place.
\_ Heh. Then you're already starting from behind. UCSC!=last and
never has been, except for its fledgling eng program.
\_ since when is UCSC last? I thought UCI or UCR was last.
\_ UCR is solidly in last in terms of difficulty to gain
admittance. --dim
\_ I thougt UCSB the party school is last.
\_ Ranked by what? Hot chix? Reputation? Glaucoma sufferers?
\_ It depends on the program, really. UCSB is mostly pretty weak,
but their physics program ranks very highly, for example. -tom
\_ As a physicist, I know about them kicking ass in physics,
particularly high energy theory and condensed matter
experiment. I would have guessed that their EE would have
to be first rate, given the massive army of 3-5 semiconductor
people there.
\_ All this stuff about best schools and just about every one of you
babbles about academics as if it matters. If you're not in a PhD
program it doesn't matter. If you are you already know the best
schools for your field. It's all about the hottest chicks. The
rest is bullshit.
\_ If anything, the overall school reputation matters _less_ for
a PhD student, not more. I can see how hiring BS/BA people can
be influenced a little by school prestige, but for a PhD grad
looking for a job, it's all about their research really.
I school prestige is something low self-esteem people care about,
kind of like they care about their sports team performance. |
| 2003/4/15-16 [Academia/UCLA] UID:28138 Activity:high |
4/15 How's bschool/lschool/gschool going for you guys? It's mid April,
everyone should be getting acceptance/rejection letters by now.
\_ Haven't gotten kicked out yet...
\_ headed to UCLA (anderson) in the fall.
\_ Did UCLA EE guy and USC CS guy ever hook up?
\_ Yes, and their kids are going to go to UCSC EECS. Which,
in that program, I think they teach you how to make bongs
out of circuit boards.
\_ Hmm, it's been ten years since I last worried about this stuff.
Time flies. |
| 2002/10/12 [Academia/UCLA] UID:26155 Activity:low |
10/11 hey, ucla.*guy: are you going to the Cal-SC game tomorrow? I'll
be wearing my Cal Rugby shirt.
\_ uh, not aware of any football game. ucla cs guy
by the way ucla ee guy, what's up? Hows it going? |
| 2002/9/25-26 [Academia/UCLA] UID:26007 Activity:moderate |
9/25 UCLA ee guy who's your DSL ISP, Case-Of-Command or DSLExtreme?
\_ DSLExtreme --ucla med student
\_ where you live at med student? Gayley? Tiverton?
\_ i live w/ my parents in bh. leave me alone. |
| 2002/9/22 [Academia/UCLA] UID:25973 Activity:very high |
9/21 ucla ee guy, deposit into EasyPay Bruincard, yay or nay?
\_ Right now I'm leaning towards nay. The letter said that
some merchants give discounts if you pay via Bruincard,
but it didn't say how much or which discounts. If it
saves me 10% or more on books I'll deposit.
BTW, did you find a place and are you going to
orientation on Wednesday? - ucla ee guy
\_ Just exchange email addresses already so we don't have to
read your conversations.
\_ That's the joke, son.
\- It's not a joke, it's just stupid...not to mention annoying.
\_ Ignore it. You're only feeding it. |
| 2002/9/15-16 [Academia/UCLA] UID:25893 Activity:high |
9/14 UCLA ee guy, to sync up, there are 3 orientations right?
1 9/25 9-12pm Engineering Orientation at 4000A Math Science
2 9/25 5-7:30pm Welcome reception
3 9/26 3-6pm Computer Science orientation (you have this?)
-ucla cs guy
\_ I'm guessing since he's not CS, he doesn't have #3.
\_ they say that a Cal Eng BS is equivalent to Eng MS from other
schools that are not 1st tier. Is this really true? Do recruiters
accept this as a general rule of thumb? Christine wanna comment?
\_ No one puts Cal that high on the scales of anything. Your
typical recruiter wouldn't know Cal from Cal State Hayward.
\_ This is sad, but true. Emphasis on 'typical', though. Some
are quite aware. Regionalism is a factor, too. --dim
\_ Some = so rare as to not count. I've talked to a few
dozen recruiters in the last 6 or 7 years. The typical
recruiter not only doesn't know what Cal is or how it
compares to Cal State Hayward, but doesn't know the
difference between a hardware guy, a coder, a sysadmin,
or an HR assistant if they all have the word "unix" on
their resume. They're just pattern matching. More
matches = better fit!
\_ Since most tech recruiters are pretty clueless about technology,
it is true that most recruiters don't know to weigh a Cal EECS
degree heavily during resume consideration. (e.g., they will
weigh it, but weigh it the same as Stanford or UCLA or even
in shameless cases, Harvard or Cal State **) However, most
hiring managers give a lot of weight to people from Cal EECS.
In many cases, hiring managers will explicitly say they prefer
someone with a Cal or MIT or CMU Engineering degree to their
recruiter. In the end, the hiring manager is the one who makes
the decision, so that's the opinion that counts. (Plus, if your
hiring manager doesn't have awareness of your educational
background in Cal EECS, a red flag should go up anyhow).
So to sum up: a Cal Eng BS does matter, and it usually weighs
as heavily or more as/than an MS from a non-first tier
university. --chris
\_ Stanford and UCLA are both awesome ee schools. (UCLA CS
is unfortunately not as good).
\_ Isn't Dave Patterson from UCLA?
\_ One outstanding PhD does not a good program make.
\_ but not as good as Cal, especially on the CS side
of things.
\_ Cal has the best ee (and math) in the country. I am
not sure the gap is that wide, especially if you are
a smart ugrad with research interests, and there is
someone at Stanford/UCLA/whatever that better matches
your interests.
\_ But what are your odds vs a Stanford MS with your Cal BS when
the hiring manager hasn't specified Cal=Better?
\_ wouldn't that depend on the manager who has a
bias since he graduated from Cal|Furd?
\_ why would it matter? 3-4 working experience==MS degree, and
besides no one ever asks or judges you by the school you went
to 5 years ago. |
| 2002/9/8 [Academia/UCLA] UID:25806 Activity:nil |
9/7 UCLA ee guy, what's your favorite restaurant in Westwood? Cowboy
Sushi? Where do the hot chix hang out? -ucla cs guy |
| 2002/9/7-8 [Academia/UCLA] UID:25800 Activity:kinda low |
9/7 UCLA ee guy did you get your BruinCard yet? Do you have to pay
tuition first to get the card?
\_ yeah i got it. now stop asking me dumb questions.
\_uh oh sounds like a troubled marriage.
\_ nothing that a nice spending spree at Fred Segal
cannot fix |
| 2002/8/21-22 [Academia/UCLA] UID:25640 Activity:high |
8/20 UCLA ee guy-- tell me, are you now a Cal Bruin or a UCLA Bear? HAHAHA
sorry couldn't resist that.
\_ Couldn't resist what?
\_ Being mudane.
\_ Being mundane.
\_ It's a joke. A little like the funny kind, but not much.
\_ Oh ok. I knew it was a joke. I was trying to find the funny.
\_ Look in your pants.
\_ Hey it's yermom's hand! |
| 2002/7/23 [Academia/UCLA] UID:25407 Activity:nil 85%like:25284 50%like:25368 |
7/22 UCLA ee guy, I found a place on Hilgard, BEAT THAT!!! UCLA cs guy |
| 2002/7/16 [Academia/UCLA] UID:25375 Activity:nil |
7/16 ucla ee guy, are you circumcized? Do you prefer top or bottom?
\_ He prefers bottom and no, he's not but he will be soon. You? |
| 2002/7/16 [Academia/UCLA] UID:25368 Activity:high 60%like:25284 50%like:25407 |
7/15 ucla ee guy have you found housing yet?
\_ I found a place on Kelton. - ucla ee guy
\_ ucla cs/ee guys, did you go to the Cal alumni gettogether
last saturday? |
| 2002/7/5 [Academia/UCLA] UID:25284 Activity:nil 66%like:24819 66%like:25138 60%like:25368 85%like:25407 |
7/5 ucla cs guy: Have you found a place yet? - ucla ee guy
\_ and thus begins the relationship. |
| 2002/6/26 [Academia/UCLA] UID:25204 Activity:nil |
6/26 I'm sick and tired of this shit. Just email me, ucla ee guy.
jesustiredandshit@yahoo.com
\_ finally!
\_ what if everybody sent email to that address? how would he
know who is the real ucla ee guy?
\_ I already signed it up as a few hot gay porn sites.
\_ What good does that do? That email address is just for
them to exchange their logins. |
| 2002/6/19 [Academia/UCLA] UID:25145 Activity:nil |
6/18 UCLA ee guy, I just got the URSA letter. To get everything right,
we're suppose to get a bill after Sep 1? And can we get a BruinCard
before paying it? Also, they haven't told us who my advisor is, how
do I know what classes I should take in my first quarter? My
enrollment period is 6/26, how about you? Also, did you get a TA job?
I applied but they never responded. |
| 2002/6/18 [Academia/UCLA] UID:25138 Activity:nil 50%like:24862 66%like:25284 |
6/17 UCLA ee guy did you get anything from UCLA?
\_ I got some registration info on Sat. I'm planning to
figure out my course schedule sometime this week.
I still haven't heard about housing, so I'm planning
to go to LA the week after next in order to look for
a place. - ucla ee guy |
| 2002/6/10-11 [Academia/UCLA] UID:25056 Activity:nil 75%like:24779 |
6/9 UCLA ee guy, what happened to Stanford?
\_ I haven't heard, they seem to take their own sweet time with
hcp apps. -ucla ee guy |
| 2002/6/8 [Academia/UCLA] UID:25035 Activity:kinda low |
6/7 ucla ee guy, after I sent in my SIR they never mailed me a thing.
How about you? -ucla cs guy
\_ I called them on Tues. and a lady at the dept. told me that
my SIR had been received. She told me that registration info
would be arriving latter this month. -ucla ee guy
\_ COOL thanks for calling her and letting me know -ucla cs guy
\_ by the way weren't you waiting for Stanford? What happened? For
me, they never sent me a letter even though they claimed to have
done it, and gave me an email rejection when I asked. |
| 2002/6/5-6 [Academia/UCLA] UID:25000 Activity:very high 66%like:24757 |
6/5 chialea, will you marry me? I'm so in love with you! -your #1 fan
\_ you're so dreamy, will you marry me too? -- chialea #1 fan #1 fan
\_ is chialea chialea #1 fan #1 fan?
\_ No. -- chialea #1 fan #1 fan #1 fan
\_ You're BACK! Will YOU marry ME?
-- chialea #1 fan #1 fan #1 fan #1 fan
\_ she should marry ucla cs guy or ucla ee guy
\_ They seem pretty happy with each other already.
\_ They're marrying each other.
\_ I'm sure they would be happier with chialea rather than
each other.
\_ Lea will marry you only if you complete three tasks. First,
you must get a PhD from a reputable CS or Math department.
Then, you must earn a Nobel or a Turing prize. Lastly, you must
accumulate a fortune of $30G or greater. You must complete the
tasks in that order.
\_ Is that a G for "grand" a la 1e3 or G for "giga" a la 1e9?
\_ it's G for "nweaver is an idiot". -tom
\_ If you manage to do this while having an even number as the
number of seconds remaining on the timer, you'll also unlock
the secret level. -geordan
\_ If you win the Nobel prize, you get like a million bucks.
\_ which would be a small start on the way to $30G
\_ How about the Fields Medal? Will she marry me if I win the
Fields Medal, or does it have to be a Nobel or a Turing?
\_ chialea, so when you headed to cmu?
\_ Did you know that if you switch two letters in cmu you get cum?
\_ can I have your old underwear?
-- chialea #1 fan
\_ stop it guys, you're making alexf and that too-ey (sp?) guy
jealous.
\_ boy you ARE lazy... "twohey" is spelled out in the motd.official
\_ AKA "the other guy" Like I said no one cares about the
other guys, just chialea.
\_ HEY! I care about the other guys! -yermom
\_ I doubt chialea cares about the other guys either.
\_ you calling chialea a guy?
\_ will the ucla cs guy make his proposal to the ucla ee guy as
well?
\_ Yes. On the motd, tonight at 11... stay tuned! |
| 2002/5/17-18 [Academia/UCLA] UID:24872 Activity:very high |
5/17 Suppose two people have a common medium and want to contact each
other and want to minimize interception by others (e.g. spy in foreign
country using the newpaper ad for secret communications). What's
the best way to go about this?
\_ Public key/private key encryption. But if you start posting
encrypted messages to the motd, they will be deleted. Can't
you and EE UCLA guy just meet somewhere for drinks?
\_ let's say I give you my public key, and the UCLA guy encodes
his messages to me using my public key and I decode it. How
do I know it's REALLY him since anyone can use my key?
You see the problem with that logic?
\_ also, suppose anyone posts a public key and the UCLA guy
mistakens it and encodes his message. Then he would be
exposed right?
\_ Encode with his private key then your public key.
Isn't this one of the standard textbook security
problems?
\_ BTW, which NT/Unix e-mail programs support public key /
private key across the internet? Thanks.
\_ mutt?
\_ Go back to class. You sign with your private key, which
can be decrypted with your public key. You encode the
whole message with his public key, which can be decrypted
with his private key. Kids today...
\_ I think the previous posters were referring to
receiving messages, not sending. -- yuen
\_ I think ucla ee guy and ucla cs are are really the same guy.
\_ Maybe their name is Norman.
\_ Depends on circumstance. Ideal would be a minimalized ciphertext
"dictionary" which could be memorized. A few code words and you're
done. Of course it would be good for a couple of uses, tops.
\_ PGP/GPG should be ok, though, key exchange is a problem since
you can't trust any keys posted on motd. You might need to contact
the key holder in person to make sure that the posted key
fingerprint indeed belongs to her/him.
\_ or sign up with verisign(those bastards)
\_ what is wrong with signing your own public key and send it
to the receipent?
\_ then the recipient needs to have a -trusted- copy of the
sender's public key in order to verify the signature.
Chicken and egg problem. I'd say that if the two parties
don't agree in advance about the medium of communication
and the public keys, this problem is unsolvable unless these
two guys are -very- creative and smart ..
\_ Too many geeks here. Reread the question. Do you want minimize
the chance of interception, the fact that you are sending a
message, the fact you are sending a secret message, the chance
of someone else decoding the message, or the odds your message
will be delivered accurately? Given your example of two people
communicating via a newspaper, I'd recommend against the PGP
encrypted message dictated to the fat fingers of a desk clerk.
\_ Not to mention the fact that publishing a line of obviously
encoded text is likely to draw attention.
\_ come on guys this is a very classic encryption problem and none
of you morons have a sol'n to this. How pathetic -crypto king
\_ to those people who supposedly have scripts to monitor who writes
what on the motd, do everybody a favor and just reveal who ucla ee
and ucla cs guy are and get it all over with. |
| 2002/5/17 [Academia/UCLA] UID:24862 Activity:low 50%like:25138 |
5/17 ucla ee guy, what was your preference in housing (Rose, Keystone, or
Venice)? Who else from Cal is going to ucla besides you?
\_ Sheesh. Just exchange your names and take this offline. This
anonymity thing is quite strange and frankly baffling. You're
going to be classmates. Get over it.
\_ Not that strange. Ever use the glory holes in the basement
of Evans? Do you really want to know who is on the other side?
\_ yermom, of course. |
| 2002/5/14 [Academia/UCLA] UID:24819 Activity:moderate 66%like:25284 |
5/14 ucla ee guy, will you marry ucla cs guy and just get it over with?
[repost]
\_ yeah, they can go and buy each other matching clothes at Fred
Segal every weekend
\_ Sorry I don't go for that same sex thing (I'm assuming
that ucla cs guy is really a guy and not a girl pretending
to be a guy out of fear from potential stalkers on the motd)
\_ Fuck the stalkers. No hiding. -chialea
\_ careful what you wish for.
\_ are you a "kill PhD candidate" candidate? |
| 2002/5/10 [Academia/UCLA, Academia/StanfUrd] UID:24779 Activity:very high 50%like:24822 75%like:25056 |
5/9 ucla ee guy, did you get anything from usc and stanford?
\_ I got into usc, but nothing from stanford yet.
\_ how much is Stanford's tuition?
\_ you get what you pay for
\_ Not. How many overpriced private degree farms can
you name?
\_ how much is USC's tuition? |
| 2002/5/8-9 [Academia/UCLA] UID:24760 Activity:moderate |
5/8 UCLA ee guy, what's your verdict?
\_ 2 years in state pen, then 3 years supervised release.
\_ that's tough for a grad student
\_ How so? Get raped either way. |
| 2002/5/2 [Academia/UCLA] UID:24674 Activity:nil |
5/1 ucla ee guy, where are you going for grad school? Why do you want
to go to usc for your MS? Their tuition is outrageous (and MS don't
usually get funding unless you know the people really well).
\_ I'm confused. ucla ee guy isn't going to ucla for grad school?
\_ I"m going to NYC to work, but heretofore declare myself
Harvard CS guy, just for fun. - Harvard CS guy |
| 2002/4/26 [Academia/UCLA] UID:24607 Activity:nil |
4/30 Endless ucla ee guy crap deleted. Exchange email addresses. |
| 2002/4/26 [Academia/UCLA] UID:24606 Activity:high |
4/30 ucla ee guy, how come you applied for ucla ee and cornell/ucsd/usc ms?
What's your emphasis, CAD or something (both ee/cs)?
\_ I applied ee @ ucla, ucsd, cornell and stanford. I applied
cs @ usc only because I knew a prof. in the cs dept. there.
I'm interested in embedded systems, specifically l2-l4
switching, transparent caching and security. |
| 2002/4/25-26 [Academia/UCLA] UID:24594 Activity:moderate |
4/25 UCLA ee guy, I'm the UCLA cs guy. I got a brilliant idea on how to
get each other's email without being intercepted by the motd jerks.
You have your blue "UCLA Graduate Student Housing Options 2001-02"
sheet? Starting at the line "We understand that finding a place..."
map that letter to 1, 2, 3, and so on (e.g. W=1, e=2, u=3, n=4, ...).
Then you have the entire number to alphabet mapping. With that,
post your numbering. For example, if your login is weu@csua, then
your login would be 1,2,3@csua. Please post your login here.
\_ there are lots of bored, loneley, horney guys here and yet
women post their logins repeatedly. the harassment can't be that
bad. you're being a paranoid idiot.
\_ Ok: 17,3,28,31,17,17@csua. - ucla ee guy
\_ 5,8,44,354,21,22,84@csua
\_ 5=d, 8=s, 21=i, 22=n
> cat /etc/passwd | grep '^ds..in' | cut -f 1 -d ":"
[No output]
\_ How does this prevent other people who also have the blue sheet
from decoding the login?
\_25,14,18,26,26,21,25@csua
\_ You're a whack. Just post your login.
\_ just post an ad on craigslist in "Men Seeking Men"
\_ yeah, stop being a dweeb and post your damn login. oh wait-- if
you do, I might mail bomb you out of jealousy... better not.
\_ Why dont you just post yours w/o waiting for ee guy?
Better yet, let's wait until the Fall and then we'll find
out who both of you are based on information written in the motd. |
| 2002/4/25-26 [Academia/UCLA] UID:24591 Activity:very high |
4/25 ucla ee guy, did you get anything housing info with your acceptance
letter? The only thing I got was a paper called "UCLA Graduate
Student Housing Options" and my URSA code.
\_ That's the only thing I got. I'm mailing mine in soon to see if
I can get into one of those grad student dorms. Otherwise I'm
going to go down there in july and find a place.
BTW, money isn't a big issue for me since my company will
most likely pick up the tab regardless of where I go. The
problem is the number of hours I'd have to work. I don't
want to spend to many hours working since I won't be able
to study and learn properly.
At stanford, I'd have to work 25 hrs/wk to get full tuition
reimbursement. If I go to UCLA, its less than 10 hrs/wk,
which is much easier (no critical customer bugs or action
items get assigned to an engineer who is 10 hrs/wk or less,
but 25 hrs/wk is practically full time at more companies).
- ucla ee guy
\_ go to ucla. You're not going to be able to work 25 hrs/wk
at Stanford. Despite what people say classes there are
not THAT easy (I've taken a few). Sure the grades are
inflated, but you still have to work pretty hard.
\_ What makes you say UCLA classes are any easier than
Stanford classes?
\_ the author did not make such statement, nor did
he imply it. Perhaps he assumed that 25hrs/wk
would have a negative effect on his school work
hence it would be better to go to ucla.
\_ what's the cost of UCLA Master's?
\_ the same as any other public school.
\_ much cheaper than Stanfurd. |
| 2002/4/25 [Academia/UCLA] UID:24584 Activity:nil |
4/24 ucla ee guy: which acc/rej have you gotten so far and where are
you going?
\_ In addition to UCLA I have been accepted for MS CS at USC
and MS EE at Cornell. UCSD rejected me for MS CS. I'm still
waiting for Stanford. - ucla ee guy
\_ yes I was waiting for Stanford as well, and one day I
just wrote them an email. It took them 4 days to reply,
but basically they said "We mailed EVERYONE a letter
on March. We're sorry, but you were not selected. The
quality of our applicants had gone up significantly and
the number of openings in the CS dept had actually
shrunk. We wish you luck elsewhere."
\_ that sux. I know how that feels.
\_ doesn't matter, Stanfurd's inferior anyways.
Who are you anyways?
\_ by the way it's been over 3 weeks and I still
haven't gotten the letter that they were suppose
send out.
\_ I applied EE. I asked a prof and he said final
decisions haven't been mailed out to HCP students.
Sucks about CS though.
- ucla ee guy |
| 2002/4/20-21 [Academia/UCLA] UID:24506 Activity:nil |
4/19 I got my acceptance to Cornell for M Eng in EE today. Did anyone
else hear from Cornell yet? - ucla ee guy
\_ believe it or not, UCLA MS is harder that Cornell M.E. Cornell
has a reputation for giving out quick M.E. degrees (1 year prog). |
| 2002/4/19-20 [Academia/UCLA] UID:24495 Activity:very high |
4/19 I got my USC acceptance letter yesterday. Did anyone else get
their letter? - ucla ee guy
\_ I didn't get anything... but not too depressed -ucla cs guy
\_ USC sucks
\_ I'll apply for ucla ee next year and my gpa is low 3, how's my
chance? potential ucla ee guy
\_ the average GPA for UCLA applicants is 3.5.
\_ GPA is just one of many factors. If you have a low GPA you
can still get into MIT if you have an awsome GRE, great
recs from famous professors, and if you have done good
\_ or famous coders (say Dennis Ritche,
Ken Thompson, David Korn, Steve Bourne,
etc.)
\_ Why do people insist on interrupting?
publications.
\_ ..._And_ wrote a good statement of purpose.
\_ Sorry pal, MIT doesn't consider GRE.
\_ Is this really true?
\_ Yes, it is true. -- rejected from MIT
\_ Yes. It was written somewhere in the application
material when I tried to apply 9 years ago.
\_ I got low 2 GPA, which school i can apply?
\_ I didn't know you can stay in the major with low 2?
\_ I did it somehow. -geordan
\_ On man, this is berkeley, low 2 gpa is like high 3
at other school.
\_ Of course you can. Just keep paying tuition and fees.
No one gets kicked out if they don't want to be.
\_ Really? In my days, you need to pass the
majority of classes with a B- or better in
order to stay in the L&S CS major.
\_ no that was the official policy, it was never
strictly enforced. keep paying your bills.
\_ Cornell (no min gpa), Chico, Western Nebraska
\_ I got 2.9. Is SJSU it worth going?
Teachers College, etc.
\_ I got high 2 GPA, which school can I apply?
\_ SJSU min gpa is 2.75, if you are higher than
that you'll get in.
\_ I got 2.9. Is SJSU worth going? |
| 2002/4/14 [Academia/UCLA] UID:24435 Activity:nil |
4/12 Looking for a network of Berkeley->UCLA people. Where can I find it?
\_ does Nadeem look at motd? |
| 2002/4/8-9 [Academia/GradSchool, Academia/UCLA] UID:24370 Activity:nil |
4/8 In Stanford, there is a clause that says something like "if you get
into the MS program, you will not be able to apply to our PhD
program." Is there such a clause in UCLA? |
| 2002/4/7-9 [Academia/UCLA] UID:24358 Activity:high |
4/6 Has anyone gotten anything from Stanford and USC?
\_ An ex-girlfriend and some books from Stanford, but somehow I
doubt that's what you meant.
\_ I'm pretty sure he means the college applications
\_ oh, you think?
\_ No. I think he was asking about STDs.
\_ I realize that; I was being sarcastic. Frankly, if he's that
careless in articulating a simple question, I hope he didn't
get in.
\_ a Stanford Transmitted Disease?
\_ Curable only by crashing the high tech boom.
\_ I realize that; I was being sarcastic. Frankly, if he's
that careless in articulating a simple question, I hope
he didn't get in.
\_ "nobody liked my joke so i will attack the poster"
\_ "careless in articulating a simple question"??? Who
gives a fuck? This is the m.o.t.d... not a college
application. Everyone obviously knew what s/he meant,
so who cares.
\_ I recieved a letter on Thurs. from USC saying that
the CS dept. has started to review my application
and will get back to me (no time frame was mentioned).
- ucla ee guy
\_ what the hell??? All the schools that I got in want a responce
by April 15th. BTW even though I got into UCLA MS I'm still
waiting cuz I applied to USC's PhD program. -ucla cs guy
\_ UCLA deadline is in the summer sometime. -- UCLA PhD guy
\_ Just accept and then change your mind later. Anyway,
UCLA >> USC (kinney goes to USC), if you want a PhD, apply
later after you get your UCLA masters. FUSC.
\_ are you the original ucla ee ms guy or a kinney ha8
later after you get your UCLA masters. FUSC. - ! ucla ee guy |
| 2002/4/3-4 [Academia/UCLA] UID:24307 Activity:high |
4/2 Hello EE MS UCLA guy, I GOT IN!!! I got the letter TODAY. Thanks
for your support. Let's keep in touch! By the way still haven't
received anything from USC and Stanford. -CS MS UCLA guy
\_ Congrats. I'm glad you got in. BTW, I haven't heard from
USC or Stanford either. It doesn't matter, since I already
said yes UCLA last week.
\_ what is your nick name? Don't want to keep saying EE MS UCLA guy
\_ it's "pigfucker"
\_ gee, Terrance, why would you call me a pigfucker? |
| 2002/3/20-22 [Academia/UCLA] UID:24174 Activity:high |
3/20 Anyone gotten a letter from UCLA or USC? I've gotten all the
rejections/acceptance except these two... getting anxious now.
\_ I recieved my UCLA acceptance almost 3 weeks ago. USC CS
said that they wouldn't have anything till April (I called
the dept. last week). It doesn't matter to me, since I've
decided to go to UCLA.
BTW, Have you been accepted anywhere?
\_ yes I did, but they're not on US News' CS list (but are
for the general engineering ranking), so I'm rather
embarrased about posting them here... thanks for your
response, I guess I'm not going to UCLA -orig poster
\_ Yes they are.
\_ I applied EE. CS might not be out yet. Hope springs
eternal.
\_ CS is out.
\_ EE PhD or MS? If I had known that the # of
applications trippled this year I wouldn've applied
as a junior (and would still have a better
chance). Now I sux -orig poster
\_ MS. I'm not smart enough to do a PhD. |
| 2002/3/18-19 [Academia/UCLA] UID:24147 Activity:insanely high |
3/18 Grad Skool Poll. Where are you going next year (add others as
appropriate)?
Cal:
Dear Applicant,
I regret to inform you that we are unable to offer you admission to
graduate study at U.C. Berkeley. This year we received more than 3,100
applications for approximately 100 openings.
Because of the limited number of admission slots available, we turned away
many qualified applicants. Nonetheless, I would like to wish you the best
of luck in pursuing your educational and professional goals.
MIT:
'furd: .
UCLA: ..
Vista: . (what is this?)
San Jose State: . (I had a 2.7 GPA at Cal)
Santa Clara: .
Deciding: .
MacDonalds:
\_ Haven't you heard? MIT is not accepting this year.
'furd: .
UCLA: ..
\_ Get a clue. It was intentionally misspelled.
Vista: . (what is this?)
\_ If you don't know what Vista is you don't deserve to go.
San Jose State: . (I had a 2.7 GPA at Cal)
\_ EE/CS or just CS?
\_ at 2.7, DOES IT MATTER? Duh.
Santa Clara: .
Deciding: .
\_ Where did you get in?
MacDonalds:
\_ I prefer Berger King
\_ at the very least, spell it correctly.
\_ Now you know why he's going to BK after Cal.
\_ Get a clue. It was misspelled intentionally.
\_ How so? I don't get it.
\_ How do you spell the place that sells Big Macs?
\_ If he had taken E 190, this heartbreak might have been
avoided. |
| 2002/3/6-7 [Academia/UCLA] UID:24040 Activity:kinda low |
3/6 So what's up with Pac-10 basketball this year? Oregon, Arizona,
'furd, Cal, and UCLA, a lot of middle strength(AP9-20), but no
elite teams? And how far will Cal go in the tourney?
\_ How far Cal will go depends a lot on the matchups. We cause
problems for undisciplined, athletic teams like UCLA. We have
difficulty with well-coached teams with solid passers, like
Arizona. I don't think we can beat Duke, but I could see us
beating a team like Maryland. We're 5-4 vs. top-25 teams this
season, so we can definitely put some wins together.
The NCAA tourney is the most difficult bet in sports. No one
really knows what the hell might happen. That's why it's also
the greatest sporting event on the planet. -tom
\_ Err...like you know what's gonna happen with other sports?
\_ It's a question of the degree of predictability. Don't
be obtuse. -tom
\_ Curling, duh! Nothing beats curling!
\_ Bah. Maybe in the US, but not the world.
\_ Don't even try to throw the World Cup in there. Penalty
kicks are a fucked-up way to decide important games.
The Tour de France has some cachet but it's too
predictable. -tom
\_ And penalties/free throws are more exciting?
\_ seriously. kind of like how it's called
the "world series". maybe if they let the rest
of the world actually play. canada does not count.
\_ dude, it's only a misnomer when they have a team that
can play at our level. ob yermom.
\_ isn't cuba better than us? what's ob? |
| 2002/3/5 [Academia/UCLA] UID:24025 Activity:very high |
3/4 So far, I've gotten my rejections from ucb, cmu, and mit. Nothing
from Stanford, UW, and UT. Your turn.
\_ Okay, I reject you, too. It's nothing personal, though.
\_ CS Masters or Ph.D?
\_ what difference does it make. He/she got rejected.
\_ trying to understand the facts.
\_ As mentioned before I got into UCLA (EE Masters). Still
waiting for Cornell, UCSD, USC and Stanford.
\_ UCLA is a pretty decent school. Don't feel too bad.
State school, Missippi, Palm Beach Tech, and DVC. The DVC rejection
*really* stings but I think I'll get by. Maybe I can transfer later
on, eh? Is that possible if I get to know a prof there?
At least one of those remaining schools will say yes.
\_ Yay pretty decent :(
\_ for those of us who are too dumb to pass the
subject gre, pretty decent is great. At least
ucla is tier 1. Imagine the poor slobs whose only
option is Hayward State, SJSU or SCU. That would
suck!
\_ If you can't get in to a real school then you might
consider getting a real job instead. What's the point
in getting a degree from a place like Hayward?
\_ or UCLA?
UCLA is tier1 according to _/
us news. It may not be the
best prog. but it is much
better than state school (ie
hayward, sjsu, calpoly), most
of the other uc's and many
of the big name east coast
private schools for EE/CS.
\_ "First tier" == top 10.
UCLA isn't top 10 in CS
(though to be fair it is in
some things).
\_ shockingly, a degree is more than something you
put on your resume so you can get a better job.
-tom
\_ A degree from Hayward isn't.
\_ only if you are changing fields, perhaps.
\_ I'm pretty sure USC will say yes. Probably Cornell
as well since I applied to the M.Eng program (ie
the 1 yr degree factory for "professionals"). I don't
know about Stanford and UCSD. I probably won't go
to SD even if I get in so I don't care. I'm not sure
what I'd do if I got into the farm as I'd have to
keep working (I applied for honors co-op, so that
my company would foot the bill).
\_ I'm guessing you applied for Fall 2002? Or has was this
some time ago when you applied?
\_ I applied for Fall 2002 everywhere except for
the farm. I had to apply for winter 2003 at the
farm because of certain restrictions on "education
funding" at work in the 2002 calendar yr.
\_ I got into: MIT, Yale, Cal, Harvard, Princeton, CMU, Stanford,
Cornell, and my back up, Oxford. I got rejected from every Cal
State school, Mississippi, Palm Beach Tech, and DVC. The DVC
rejection *really* stings but I think I'll get by. Maybe I can
transfer later on, eh? Is that possible if I get to know a prof
there?
\_ is yale good in computer science?
\_ no. and fuck yale
\_ why are you doing this to the "poor" person.
\_ It's easy?
\_ You have a tiny little penis
\_ Yermom didn't say that.
\_ Yermom didn't want to hurt his feelings. She's sensitve
like that.
\_ As a note, many of the lower tier schools reject outstanding
students based on the idea that they know they are the backup
plan and don't want to waste their time on someone they are
fairly sure is going to go someplace else on scholarship. |
| 2002/2/28-3/1 [Academia/UCLA] UID:24001 Activity:high |
2/28 What are the rankings of the 7 UCs, for undergrad? This is for my
little cousin.
\_ Cal, Cal, Cal, Cal, Cal, Cal, Cal, LA, SD, Irvine/Davis, the rest
\_ CAL SUCKS ASS, YO. - *recent* cal cs grad.
\_ talg was graduated from Cal. That is the kind of "student"
cal is graduating these days.
\_ who is talg?
\_ Just look at UC News for an approximation.
\_ I think in general: 1 Cal, 2 UCLA, 7 Santa Barbara. Don't know
Top Tier: 1 Cal, 2 UCLA, 3 UCSD
Mid Tier: SB, Irvine, Davis (ranked by major)
Bottom Tier: 7 SC, 8 Riverside
\_ I think in general: 1 Cal, 2 UCLA, 5 Santa Barbara. Don't know
about the others. Of course rankings depend on the major. Which
one is your cousin going for?
\_ Is Merced open yet?
\_ Isn't Riverside the worst? My understanding is: SD=yuppie school,
Irvine=riceboy Integra school, SC=dumb surfer school,
Davis=boring school, Riverside=drug school, and SB=party school.
\_ Will depend on major, but 3. UCSD ... 7. Riverside
\_ SB is definitely not 7.
\_ There's 8 undergrad UC campuses; probably better tell your cousin
\_ does your cousin learn like high or low pressure learning situations?
that first. I'd go Cal, LA, SD, Davis, SB, Irvine, SC, Riverside.
\_ does your cousin learn like high or low pressure learning
situations?
\_ SB has a really outstanding condensed matter experimental
physics research program, and is world class is particle
theory. overall, their ranked in the top ten nationwide
in physics at the grad level. of course this is unrelated
to undergrad, unless your cousin is *Absolutely* positive
about going into physics..
\_ http://www.usnews.com/usnews/edu/beyond/gradrank/gbphysic.htm
\_ SB has the college of creative studies for ugrad. Majors
include physics, literature, etc. CCS at UCSB is probably
better than any of the mid-tier schools and maybe better than
what you'd get at LA or Cal.
\_ Their 3-5 semiconductor work is also world class. But use the
same advice you ought to get when you go to grad school. If
you know exactly what you want to do (for undergrad, that means
major, for grad that means research area), go to the best place
for that subject. Otherwise, other things being roughly equal,
go to the best school you get into.
\_ As Per US News:
Cal, UCLA, UCSD, Irvine/Davis (Tie), UCSB
\_ Davis slightly more selective as per US News
Unranked: UCSC, Riverside |
| 2002/2/26 [Academia/UCLA] UID:23980 Activity:very high |
2/26 My little cousin got into Berkeley but not UCLA. Back in my days
this was very uncommon. Is this common now?
\_ Was he instate our out of state?
\_ What major? That could make all the difference.
\_ I got into Cal but not Irvine, as intended CS major.
\_ Same thing happened to me...but I applied as a polisci major
there and as a music major here!
\_ When I applied for Fall '90 junior transfer into CS, I got into
Berkeley and San Diego but not LA nor Davis.
\_ Got into Cal, UCLA, Irvine, UCSD as a freshman. I do not know what
a rejection letter looks like. My letters were all big and fat and
full of much happiness and joy.
\_ Congrats on preserving your ego by not applying to Harvard, Yale,
Stanfurd, Princeton, CMU, ......
Stanfurd, Princeton, CMU, Cornell, ......
\_ CMU does not fit. CMU is like UCLA difficulty to get into.
\_ You think a havud edukayshun is better than what Cal offers?
Madness.... Those are just names. Anyway, I applied to
Princeton just for kicks and yes I was accepted but why would
I really want to have a piece of paper? Those aren't schools.
They're about penis size. My dick is big enough without a
shitty ivy name on my diploma. How many Havud grads killed
how many companies in the late 90s? Farm grads? Yes, thanks.
\_ How much did your daddy donate?
\_ *laugh* Nothing. No one needs to donate to get into UC.
\_ A friend of mine went to UCLA until the easy access to drugs
helped him fuck up his life. He went to some 5th rate school in
Arizona and last I knew was a late night DJ on the local college
radio station. UCLA ROCKS!
\_ UCLA has easier access to drugs than Cal?! Har.
\_ Yes. He was going to Mexico twice a month to pick up a truck
load. You're confused. You think a few hits of acid, some
mushrooms and smoking out with your TA is big time drug
activity. How naive.
\_ you must be on crack |
| 2001/1/11-12 [Academia/UCLA] UID:20303 Activity:high |
1/11 Anyone watched "The Internet" on the History Channel? I was
disappointed that they kept talking about MIT/UCLA and the profs
and grad students but had absolutely NO reference to Berkeley.
\_ um. there's a reason ya know. berkeley wasn't involved until several
years into the project; the most formative work, around '66-'70, had
nothing to do with Berkeley
\_ we just wrote the protocols |
| 2001/1/1-3 [Academia/UCLA] UID:20211 Activity:kinda low |
1/1 Anyone know if the LA area have an SITN equivalence? For example,
UCLA extension? Also is the transcript the same for both UCLA
extension and UCB extension?
\_ USC has a SITN. I don't know anything about it. --dim
\_ I thought only corporations use SITN. I can't imagine going to
a Berkeley classroom watching Stanford televised lectures |
| 2001/1/1-3 [Academia/GradSchool, Academia/UCLA] UID:20210 Activity:high |
1/1 Is the UCLA CS MS program better/worse/comparable to Stanford CS MS?
I understand that neither one is as good as UCB/MIT/CalTech, I'm
just soliciting advice, thanks.
\_ Stanford CS is very good, at least comparable to Berkeley. UCLA
is a second tier school, and their CS program reflects this.
\_ Don't confuse Stanfurd CS MS and Stanfurd CS PhD. The MS at
Stanfurd is just a degree-purchase program. All the good stuff
you hear about Stanfurd's CS grad school is almost always based
on the PhD's only which are very much separated from the MS
group (probably a bad practice).
\_ Yeah. $tanfurd CS MS does't even require writing a thesis.
\_ Stanford CS MS > UCLA CS MS.
\_ University of California for Lesser Achievers
\_ is that your opinion or a commonly agreed upon opinion?
\_ My opinion.
\_ Mine too. |
| 2000/12/14 [Academia/UCLA] UID:20094 Activity:moderate |
12/13 I've noticed that other schools offer Automata and Theory
(e.g. UCLA, Stanford). Is that covered in the 17x series?
\_ yes
\_ take 172. it'll whip the {llama,ucla,stanford}'s ass. especially
next semester.
\_ You want Manuel "But they don't know it's an open problem" Blum.
He is the STANDARD. 172 prof.
\_ Blum is now at Carnegie with the rest of his mishpochah. He's
only coming back for one semester next semester to visit and
teach CS70. And Vazirani may be Blum's student, but he should
be damn good. I speak from experience. -alexf |
| 2000/10/16 [Academia/UCLA] UID:19492 Activity:high 88%like:19487 |
10/15 (1 am) What's with all the cops around campus and telegraph? http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/news/archive/2000/10/15/state1458EDT0120.DTL \_ homecoming. lots of losers from ucla in addition to our own. \_ actually it was the angry crowd who couldn't get into the black fraternity dance in pauley ballroom after the UC cops \_ bunch of frat types decided to break windows, at hot topic and footlocker and the gap, someone prevented more people from getting in. \_ people get pissed when they can't get their fix \_ I passed that way at 3am, gap had its windows broken, telegraph was cordoned off from channing to bancroft -jones pulled a gun and shot it off, causing many angry cops to appear with guns drawn, and everyone fled for their lives - danh \_ It is just the quasi-annual 100% off sale at Rasputin. \_ Sigh. I'm so proud to be a Cal alumnus ... \_ maybe if you donated back to your school, people wouldn't feel so deprived. \_ You mean deprived of free music and clothing stolen from the local stores? Excuse me, but were you born stupid or did you learn to be stupid over time? |
| 2000/10/15-16 [Academia/UCLA] UID:19487 Activity:moderate 88%like:19492 |
10/15 (1 am) What's with all the cops around campus and telegraph?
\_ homecoming. lots of losers from ucla in addition to our own.
\_ I passed that way at 3am, gap had its windows broken,
telegraph was cordoned off from channing to bancroft -jones
\_ bunch of frat types decided to break windows,
at hot topic and footlocker and the gap, someone
pulled a gun and shot it off, causing many angry cops
to appear with guns drawn, and everyone fled for their lives - danh |
| 1999/11/19 [Academia/UCLA] UID:16925 Activity:high |
11/18 If you're living in SoCal and are looking to work with academic
type people: Part-time coder needed for a UCLA-derived group.
/csua/pub/jobs/glomosim. -jctwu
\_ so, cleaning my professor's toilet would count eh? |
| 1999/3/13 [Academia/UCLA] UID:15590 Activity:nil |
3/12 Arizona, UCLA and Washington all got bumped from the tournament.
Dare we root on Stanford for Pac-10 pride? |
| 1999/3/6-9 [Academia/UCLA] UID:15554 Activity:nil |
3/6 Support UCB, play College Jeopardy Online (http://www.jeopardy.com and kick some UCLA and them other schools' asses. Plus win free stuff. \_ UCLA? Has our standards of competition sunk that low? \_ Read the motd lately? Playing against UCB is dragging UCLA down to UCB's level. |
| 1998/3/11 [Academia/UCLA] UID:13790 Activity:high |
3/10 Does anyone know a David Smallberg in the UCLA area? I believe he
either teaches at UCLA. - seidl
\_ Either teaches at UCLA or what? If he's teaching, you could
http://www.ucla.edu and look in the faculty directory.
\_ Either teaches at UCLA or he doesn't. This puts the guy into
the union of the set of all people who teach at UCLA and the set
of all people who do not teach at UCLA. While this set of people
is "valid", it isn't useful for narrowing the search. |
| 1996/9/25 [Academia/UCLA] UID:31899 Activity:nil |
9/23 Anyone have an extra ticket for the UCLA game they'll
sell me? --dpassage
\_Have one. How much you willing to pay?? |
| 1994/4/17 [Academia/Berkeley/Ocf, Academia/UCLA] UID:31568 Activity:nil |
4/16 Do all universities have such lousy campus computing facilities
or is it just my luck that I chose the worst possible place in
terms of computing resources? EVERYTHING is always slow, crashes,
... (even soda :( )
\_ public computing facilities or just those for EE/CS people? If
you are referring to the former, ever checked out ucla?
(mvs.oac.ucla.edu) or ucsd (sdcc13.ucsd.edu)? both of them are
really lame... ucla is, imho, even worse than uclink -shyguy
\_ most of my friends at other universities are jealous of our facilities.
The problem is that the campus computing facilites are undergoing
SERIOUS growing pains...the number of people with accounts has
increased 5- or 6-fold in the past year or so. What with all the
media hype, the "common people" are starting to get interested in
having net access. However, the campus facilities do seem to be
growing almost fast enough...give them time. -boss
\_ No, all universities don't have lousy campus computing facilities.
Just go to the U. of Illinois for example. I think most people
have heard me rave about it enough already - norby
\_ My friends at other universities are amazed with UCB's computer
department. It is a very good place to study anything and
everything. Excellent LIBRARIES and COMPUTER facilities. -ikiru
\_ FOOLS. the answer is simple: we were all dumb asses for going
to a state school. Anyone at a private university will laugh
at UCB's facilities. Even some L.A. only schools. Sad. You
are getting what you pay for.
\_ FOOL! yourself..then how come we are paying more each
year and the resources get more scarce every year?
\_ I'd like to know which Cal you people go to! All I see
are new machines (uclink and uclink2 spring to mind,
as well as numerous labs, including the new HP lab).
Soda is a unique environment, and I am happy we have
it. Not many schools have a playground like we do
(you can file the OCF under that heading, too). Sure,
we each don't have a NeXt or SPARC (though some of us
do), but I don't think twinks like you deserve any better
anyhow! What whiners! As long as you can look at
gifs of nekkid gurlz, you should be happy! |
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