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| 2013/2/21-3/26 [Academia/StanfUrd, Finance/Investment] UID:54612 Activity:nil |
2/21 "Billionaire U: Why Harvard Mints Mega-Rich Alums"
http://www.csua.org/u/zaf (finance.yahoo.com)
All nine US schools on the list are private. Speaking of upward
mobility ... |
| 2013/1/16-2/19 [Academia/StanfUrd] UID:54581 Activity:nil |
1/16 UC is pathetic. No wonder Stanfurd and Coursera rule:
http://venturebeat.com/2013/01/08/uc-spends-big-to-market-its-online-courses-reaches-one-user |
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| 2011/2/8-19 [Academia/Berkeley, Academia/StanfUrd] UID:54031 Activity:nil |
2/8 http://gimundo.com/news/article/five-top-universities-that-offer-free-courses-online Free lectures online. You won't get a degree, but you'll learn, for free! \_ the cmu stats course is nice. \_ cum studs course what? :-) \_ Hey, CS164 with Hilfinger! Wow, I feel 20 years old again. |
| 2010/2/4-3/4 [Academia/UCLA, Academia/StanfUrd] UID:53690 Activity:nil |
2/4 UCB 19th in private donations for 2009 behind #1 Stanford and #9 UCLA.
http://tinyurl.com/yjojbhe (LA Times)
List of Top 20: http://tinyurl.com/y8n3nye (Wall Street Journal)
\_ advice to UCB fundraiser committee: Ask not how you can
get more donations. Ask why you are not getting donations.
\_ why the fuck should i donate to a place that told me my undergrad
ass wasn't really who they were trying to teach?
\_ look buddy, everyone felt the same way at Cal. This is
why it's been going down for the past 2 decades. It's
a sad legacy of the damn place getting damn too big.
\_ well then I have this to say unto Cal:
"You reap what you sow. You have heard of this phrase?"
Probably not, the bible is banned @Cal. _/ |
| 2009/8/12-9/1 [Academia/StanfUrd] UID:53266 Activity:kinda low |
8/10 Check this out. I went to Google Maps, typed in Pasadena then Animal Shelter.
The first few items are "Caltech Housing", for students. I tried this for
other cities like Berkeley and got real animal shelters. Is this some kind
of lame geek joke from Caltech fraternity students?
\_ Learn to format properly. Caltech doesn't really have fraternities,
they have "houses" which are sort of like dorms, co-ops and frats
all rolled into one. But yeah, this sounds like Tech humor. -Techer
\_ I find it funny. I also find it sad that Berkeley students
didn't do something as funny as this.
\_ Berkeley students are too busy working 80 hour weeks for
Stanford business school students in the sandhill lane biz
incubator.
\_ GOOD ONE. It's true. While Cal is so busy teaching geeky
engineers, The Furd is teaching its students how to
get connected to VCs, to have poise, to look and
talk like execs, and to rule over geeky engineers. Just
compare the # of successful Cal startups vs. Furd startups.
If I had to pick where my angel funds go to, it'd be the
Furds, hands down. Cal seriously needs to WAKE UP.
\_ word, been saying that for years. Cal students
are self selected from people who don't want to wake
up or who think "all that matters is the code".
Whereas really, without marketing or ops or biz dev
your startup goes to hell. But it's not as romantic
or romanticised as the notion of a guy staying in the
labs, never sleeping, never bathing, rockstar coding
to get everything done. Like CyberGod.
\_ Wait, isn't it because of Bush, or Reagan, or Pete
Wilson that Furd p0wns Cal?
\_ Oh, c'mon. Name a Stanford startup that was started
by *undergraduates*. Excite? Stanford teaches its
undergraduates to join startups, not found them.
\_ Name as many UCB startups as Furd startups
by *GRADUATES*. See, it doesn't matter.
\_ Loopt, midomi.
\_ I don't think any of the Units has ever been flooded for a
party. Ricketts for LYFE! South Houses!
\_ Holy crap are there really two Scruves on the motd?
When did you go to Caltech, or was it just for the parties?
\_ ugcs doesn't have a motd? |
| 2008/7/3-9 [Academia/StanfUrd] UID:50466 Activity:nil |
7/3 This is one of the coolest things I've ever seen (autonomous
quadcopters)
http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2008/07/quadcopters_video.html
\_ I agree thats pretty cool, but with the current generation of UAVs
in the field, aren't more complicated autonomous algorithms already
at work? -mrauser
\_ I think this is the first time I've seen autonomous hover with
such good perturbance correction.
\_ More proof that MIT and Furd do cooler things than Cal
\_ I blame the professors. Cal professors have only contempt
for students, while Stanford and MIT professors view
students as peers to some extent. I don't know why this is,
since the professors are selected from the same pool. It
must be cultural. Occasionally, I came across professors at
Cal excited to get their students involved in interesting
projects (especially astronomy/astrophysics professors) but
not typically. A lot of them wouldn't even keep office
hours. They think we're not worth their time. |
| 2008/5/9-15 [Academia/OtherSchools, Academia/StanfUrd] UID:49905 Activity:high |
5/8 UC to raise fees to 18k a year or more:
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/05/07/MN1510D554.DTL
A report released in April by the UC faculty Academic Senate says
the university has not recovered from the budget cuts earlier in the
decade and that the governor's latest 10 percent cut to its budget
will be devastating and force the university to rely more heavily on
student fees and privatization of the university.
To make up the difference, tuition and fees would have to be
increased from the current $7,500 a year to about $10,000
immediately, and to $18,000 in three years to keep the university
from losing its prominence, the report says.
\_ Yeah, privatize everything! Hooray! -Republican
\_ Hi Strawman Guy. It should be obvious to anyone with two brain
cells to rub together that the costs of some services should be
spread across the population while others should not. For
example, vaccinations should be covered and mandatory because
the cost of a plague in lives, suffering, and many other forms
of loss outweighs the cost of a $5 shot for every child. OTOH,
covering your sex change operation or your breast implants is
your problem and provides no societal benefit. Somewhere in
between those two extremes is a reasonable middle ground that
people far more intelligent than a cheap shot troll like
yourself are still trying to find.
\_ Boob jobs don't provide any societal benefit???
\_ No more than your sex change operation.
\_ You must not be motd boob guy.
\_ Definitely not. The 5 minutes a day I spend here
is already too much. I don't compound that error
by following those sorts of links from here.
\_ I don't see a very good reason to subsidize UC. Why not subsidize
all universities? (i.e. subsidize the student, not the school)
Also, why is there both Cal State and UC?
\_ The last question, you could answer with only a moment of
thought or research. Community colleges, Cal State and UC
have different missions and serve different populations.
I think it's safe to say that California gets excellent return
on its investment in UC, if you really want to look at it
from a pure economic perspective. -tom
\_ If it does, then why not make that relationship explicit
in the form of loans?
What is the mission difference with CSU and UC? UC is
just better? I've good things about Cal Poly grads.
\_ read the mission statements, or the state constitution.
-tom
\_ Did you go to Cal? Please make out that check for 50k you
owe the state for your subsidies ASAP, thanks.
\_ Did you? I guess Cal isn't so great if it can't teach
basic logic. Do you really think that I should agree
with something because I supposedly benefitted from it?
I pays me taxes like anyone else. That doesn't mean I
agree with how it is used.
\_ I don't see the logical disconnect. I bet you,
personally, have reaped great rewards from your
California taxpayer subsidized UC education. I
have every right to mock you.
\_ Again: my personally benefitting or not has zero
relevance to the discussion. I would have
benefitted under a general subsidy as well, or
from loans etc., or from a more competitive
private market. Undergrad education is wasteful
as all get out. There is little reason to even
be at Cal for the first two years. The classes
are gigantic and you might near do as well by
or better just watching the class on video.
are gigantic and you might near do as well or
better by just watching classes on video.
My first two Cal years were mainly interesting from
a life/social perspective
\_ We actually do both, right? We provide subsidized loans
and Pell Grants to any student, but we also provide public
schools for those who cannot afford private school, even
with a moderate subsidy. I know it goes against the
libertarian ethos to provide something of value on the
basis of merit, as opposed to the wealth of one's parents,
but that is what the People of California have decided to
do, and I agree with them.
\_ Why not just increase the grant and loan programs?
It's not against my ethos to provide something on merit.
I am fine with private scholarships and there are lots
of those. Communism is against my ethos.
\_ If the loan and grants were distributed equally and
all the UCs were privatized and charged whatever the
market would bear, then poor (and middle class) kids
would be shut out of attending the best schools. You
could fix this by granting additional State funded
scholarships on the basis of merit, but that would be
"Communism" again. I hope you can see how society as
a whole benefits when the brightest get the best
education, as opposed to simply the ones born to the
wealthiest parents. But you probably think working for
the benefit of the greater good is "Communist" as well.
the benefit of the greater good is "Communist" as
well.
\_ Scholarships aren't the form of communism/socialism
I'm referring to here; I'm looking at government
entrance into markets it has no place in. So why
have the public schools at all instead of more
scholarships? Determining who the brightest are
is not clear anyway... I met many dumbasses at Cal.
If loans are guaranteed on favorable terms then
even the poor can attend the best universities.
\_ when did we give the Cato Institute a soda
login? -tom
\_ Brit Humes is good looking!!!
\_ I see your point and don't really disagree with
it. Getting from here to there is kind of hard
though. Just because selecting for potential
ability is difficult doesn't mean we shouldn't
try to do it. People have been doing so at least
somewhat successfully since the time of the
Mandarins.
\_ I believe in Turkmenistan the government actively attempted
to slash education funds in an effort to make the population
stupider (less unrest when you're stupid). They have great success!
Go Turkmen!
\_ Reagan's dream will finally be realized.
\_ Star Wars?
\_ I will say this much. If UC is going to charge the tuition of
a private school then they'd better match private schools in
terms of the educational experience. I put up with a lot of
crap at UC because I realized it was a public school. However,
if was paying $20K per year my expectations would have been
completely different.
ver,
if was paying $20K per year my expectations would have been
completely different.
\_ Bingo! All the Stanford folks I know had an infinitely better
experience and got much more out of it and still do years
after they graduated.
\_ Well, they better for (when I was in school) $100K more.
However, if UC wants to charge like a private then they
need to realize that they can't offer the same product
they offer now.
\_ UC doesn't *want* to charge like a private. UC,
along with every public service offered by the
government, is under assault from corporatist
ideologues; thus, its funding has been repeatedly
cut while costs have been rising, and it is being
forced to raise fees, which, you're right, puts it
in a disadvantageous position relative to comparable
privates, and which in turn is exactly what the
ideologues want. -tom
\_ Wow, been re-reading your Little Red Book a lot
recently? Corporatist ideologues? Can you name a few
of these corporatist ideologues who are out to destroy
the public university system in this state?
\_ Do you feel it would be in a disadvantageous position
relative to comparable privates if it charged the
same as the privates? Because the feeling I get is
that it would be, which is a knock on UC.
\_ How many top private research institutions have
over 200,000 undergraduates? How many campuses
have over 30,000? The problem space is different.
-tom
\_ Is Cal becoming a factory assembly line of
graduates?
\_ Becoming? I thought that was its purpose.
\_ Pick any given campus for your comparison.
\_ How about Stanford? They have something
like 8K undergrads. Their mission is not
to educate the top 12.5% of California high
school students; if it were, Stanford would
be a much different place. UCLA and
Berkeley are #1 and #2 in the country
among top universities in enrolling Pell
Grant (low-income) students as a percentage
of the undergraduate population. (35% and
32%, respectively). That's part of the
charter and mission of UC, and while it makes
the environment more challenging to manage,
I also think it's part of what makes UC a great
institution. -tom
\_ How would you know UC is a great educational
institution? Did you ever attend a UC
class? Where is your 4 year degree from?
\_ I see you're out of arguments. -tom
\_ Why is it more "challenging to manage"
low income students? They are still
among the best and brightest.
\_ Dozens of reasons. They have unusual
schedules and take longer to graduate
because they're working while going to
school, or they have to take time off
to help their family. They are often
the first person in their family to
go to college, so their family can't
provide them as much advice or support,
and in many cases doesn't value
higher education in the same way that
a fourth-generation Harvard family
does. There's overhead in dealing
with their patched-together financial
aid package and work-study awards. -tom
\_ I don't think any of these reasons
have to do with why students at
private schools are treated well
and students at UC are treated like
crap in comparison. Kids at private
schools are likely to receive
financial aid as well from many
sources. Just because some kids are
low income doesn't mean they create
much more overhead. MIT or Stanford
will take the best students they can
get - wealthy or not - and still
provide better experiences for
students because they have to in order
to compete against Caltech and
Princeton for your (or the
government's) dollars, while UC gets
the money (and the students) no matter
what. Sure, UC might compete for some
of the best students but judging
by the scholarships awarded they
don't compete very hard. Overall,
UC seems to feel you need them
more than they need you, which is
not the situation at private
schools where every student is an
extra $30K a year. That's one reason
why privates don't fail people out.
It's like tossing away $30K.
\_ look, it's simple; exceptions are
expensive, and low-income students
generate more exceptions. For
that matter, there are diseconomies
of scale in managing students when
one class is as large as the
entire enrollment of Stanford.
The student experience of being
in an 800-person Bio 1B class
will not be the same as the
experience of being in a 200-person
class. The institutions are not
directly comparable because their
missions and resultant environments
are totally different. -tom
\_ Why not look at a small UC
campus and compare to Stanford?
You may be correct that the
missions are different, but
consider the disincentives
UC has to do any better. As
far as "exceptions" I am
going to guess there are
more made at private
schools. UC is very much a
"no exceptions" environment
whereas at private schools
every single student is
treated like an exception.
\_ I'm willing to bet that by
any metric you can devise,
Cal is more diverse than
Stanford.
\_ *LAUGH* you talk as if
diversity is a good
thing that everyone
loves to have *LAUGH*
Take a look at Denmark
and Irvine. Economically
and socially homogenous
and nice to live.
\_ Shut up white man
\_ Asians tend to stick
to communities or
*towns of their kind
\_ What does that have
to do with anything?
Most high-caliber schools
are actually pretty
diverse, but are you
somehow implying that
diversity == crappy
administration,
staff, and policies
or that somehow
having many races of
people on campus
therefore makes it
more expensive to operate
and makes the environment
more hostile to
undergrads? Where are you
heading with this
argument?
\_ I don't mean ethnic
diversity (although
that's clearly also
true). I mean that
Berkeley has more
non-traditional-age
students, more students
who take time off to
work, more work-study
students, more
community college
transfers than
Stanford. All those
populations are
more expensive to
manage. And 32K
undergrads are more
expensive to manage
than 8K undergrads.
-tom
\_ I'm not convinced
on your last point.
Why should that be
the case?
\_ Find me an
institution with
32K undergrads
that doesn't
have a huge
bureaucracy. -tom
\_ Just compare
UCB and USC.
It's not
like USC
doesn't have
bureaucracy,
but the
experience is
much, much
better. You
believe what
you believe
because you've
worked at UCB
so long and
been
indoctrinated
into the
"that's the
way it has to
be" mentality.
It doesn't.
UC sucks
even compared
to some other
large schools
like Texas
and UVA.
\_ USC is half
the size of
Berkeley,
and less
than 10%
of the size
of UC. -tom
\_ USC is
almost
exactly
the same
size but
has more
faculty
and
staff,
which
is one
reason it
makes for
happier
alumni.
USC has 15K undergrads, _/
less than half of Cal. -tom
And small UC campuses don't
compete with Stanford. I
know a lot of people who
were quite happy at Santa
Cruz, but it's not a top
research university. -tom
\_ UC is UC. My gf went
to UCSC and it's the
same crap everywhere.
Also don't tell the UCSC
PhDs in programs like
astrophysics and
linguistics (both Top
10 in the nation) that
it's not a "top research
university". You know as
much about UCSC as you do
about everything else
that's not related to
biking.
"UCSC astrophysicists, for
example, were recently
ranked first in a survey
measuring the impact of
research on the field."
http://tinyurl.com/57wcfy
UCSC is a top research
university and at the same
time schools like Harvey
Mudd are not, but we're
not talking about
research. We're discussing
undergrad education. UC is
great for the price, but
if the price becomes $20K
I'm sending my kids
somewhere else.
\_ UCSC has *one*
department which is
a top research
department, and that's
because they made the
guys who used to live
up at Lick Observatory
come down to teach
at UCSC. There is no
comparison between
the research done at
UCSC and Berkeley,
UCLA, Stanford, or any
of the other top
research institutions.
UCSC's purpose isn't
to be a top research
institution. There's
really no point
in continuing this
conversation if you
don't understand that.
-tom
\_ *THREE* top 25
departments and
more that are
still good. They
just got money
for a stem cell
research center.
They do a lot of
world-class research
in biology and
ecology. UCSC, by
virtue of offering
PhD programs at all,
is engaged in
research.
Your arguments don't
hold water. Every UC
is engaged in
world-class research,
not just UCB and
UCLA. I'm not
sure why this
matters anyway
when discussing
undergrads.
Your point seems to
be that UC ignores
ugrads in favor of
research, which is
exactly my beef with
it.
\_ My point is that
UCSC and Stanford
are not
comparable
institutions,
any more than
Berkeley and
De Vry are.
They are not
competeing for
the same students
or the same
faculty. -tom
\_ My point
is that
UCSC still
sucks for
students
even though
it's not
"large and
diverse"
because it's
still UC.
\_ prove it.
-tom
\_ let's
make
this
as
nar-
row
as
pos-
ib-
le
\_ Did
you
attend
UC?
Were
you
happy?
Yes, but that proves nothing. -tom _/
\__ Does Cal or UCLA make money from enrolling out-of-state and
international students? If so, maybe that's one way to help the
financial situation. (I think it doesn't get government subsidy
for those students.)
\_ no.
\_ No, but they charge them a hell of a lot more.
\_ They money all goes to the UC Regents. Did you ever pay your
own fees?
\_ Yes, I wrote lots of checks payable to UC Regents. But I
thought that was just for accounting purpose. -- PP |
| 2008/2/16-21 [Academia/UCLA, Academia/StanfUrd] UID:49170 Activity:moderate |
2/16 Snobs use google, normal people use yahoo:
http://gizmodo.com/357353/poor-people-use-yahoo-richies-use-google
\_ http://www.informationweek.com/blog/main/archives/2008/02/the_wealthy_use.html
\_ http://preview.tinyurl.com/23mjhs (informationweek.com)
\_ I know a few conservatives who hate Google (liberal company)
and use Yahoo as the less liberal alternative.
\_ I don't know anyone who uses Yahoo search. I know Yahoo
employees. I know zillionaires. I know poor people. I know
people who are a few dollars from living in their car.
They all use Google Search.
\_ In another news, smart people prefer the Bay Area, and dumb
people are stuck in Los Angeles.
\_ True story. -- ilyas
\_ URL to support your claim?
\_ True as in Berkeley/Stanford rejects go to UCLA, UCI
UCSD, and (laugh) UCR?
\_ Stanford rejects go to Cal. Let's be honest here.
\_ I always thought that the system was that the
rich kids Stanford rejects go to USC, the asian
kids Cal rejects go to UCLA, Davis rejects end
up at UCI/UCR and the asian kids with cool
parents go to UCSD.
\_ Stanford kids are actually smarter than USC
kids. It's more like Stanford rejects go to
the east cast, Cal rejects go to UCLA, Asian
kids who couldn't make it to any of the above
go to UCI or San Diego, and all the rejects
who don't want to go to CSUs go to Riverside,
Santa Barbara, or Santa Cruz. In terms of
hierarchy:
UCB > UCLA > (UCD|UCI|UCSD) > UCSB > UCSC > UCR
UCSD for some reason attracts a lot of Republican/
conservative and UCR attracts a lot of dumb asses
\_ San Diego is a conservative area relative to the
rest of the state.
\_ When I applied to CS grad school in 1993, I got rejected
by Cal but accepted by $tanfurd.
\_ You end up going to Stanford?
\_ No, I ended up getting a job.
\_ Grad school is something else entirely. I was
talking about undergrad.
\_ Another true story. -- ilyas
\_ Ilyas is a dumb reject.
\_ Another true story. -- !ilyas
\_ Yup. -- ilyas
\_ Ilyas loves it when people sign
his name. Yup. -- ilyas
his name. Yup.
\_ No, that was actually me. -- ilyas
\_ But not me. -- !ilyas |
| 2007/11/14-17 [Academia/Berkeley, Academia/StanfUrd] UID:48641 Activity:kinda low |
11/14 Berkeley doesn't make list of Top 25 campuses with most
international students:
http://opendoors.iienetwork.org/?p=113126
\_ Good. Less chance of having terrorists on campus -conservative
\_ Are you sure about this? This seems improbable to me..
\_ Must be true. I read it on the web.
\_ Must be true, I read it on the motd. |
| 2007/5/25-28 [Academia/StanfUrd] UID:46748 Activity:nil |
5/25 18-year-old Asian girl from OC pretends to have gotten into Stanfurd
http://www.stanforddaily.com/article/2007/5/24/imposterCaught
http://www.friendster.com/1545524
Why?
\_ poor taste.
\_ poor answer. Do you have a simplified brain? Think harder.
\_ Is that a cheap chinese knockoff of
"Your brain has been classified as: small."
\_ "What s friends do know is that they are scared and angry that
someone slipped through the cracks for eight months." There's one
difference between Cal and Standfurd, I don't think any students at
Cal would have been scared or angered, just amused.
\_ I wouldn't be so sure, the current crop of students are some
of the wimpiest little twits ever.
\_ Or confused. Why the heck would anyone want to impersonate
a Cal student? It's not like our facilities are as nice as
at the Farm.
\_ The funniest thing about this is that if she had used a fake name,
and gotten out when her RA was first catching on, they never would
have caught her. She pushed it too long.
\_ Chateau had squatters all the time.
\_ Perhaps to make her parents happy? Most Asian parents still thinks
that their kids happiness is defined as getting into Ivy-League type
schools. She probably does it to fool her parents. |
| 2006/11/3-4 [Academia/StanfUrd] UID:45131 Activity:nil |
11/3 Go stanford! USC dr00ls!!!! who-=00000!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 2006/10/23-24 [Academia/StanfUrd] UID:44917 Activity:nil |
10/23 Lecture on Dwarf Planets at Stanford on Wednesday, 25 Oct:
http://www.stanford.edu/dept/physics/events/bunyan2006.pdf
\_ Isn't there nothing new about these planets except the name change? |
| 2006/10/3-5 [Transportation/Car/RoadHogs, Academia/StanfUrd] UID:44654 Activity:nil |
10/3 Stanford kicks ass!
http://www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/10/02/robot.challenge.ap/index.html |
| 2005/11/7-8 [Recreation/Computer/Games, Academia/StanfUrd] UID:40467 Activity:nil |
11/6 So, how bad are we going to get pummeled by SC?
Their first two games this season were 63-17 and 70-17.
\_ If you look at scores vs. similar opponents, probably about
42-21 or so. But college football has enough luck in it,
that if our QB gets his shit together on those long throws
and actually hits people instead of overthrowing them and
we get a few lucky breaks, like the turnovers early that
USC gave Arizona and Oregon, we could actually beat them.
Notice how USC always scores a ton of points at the end?
That is because of superiour conditioning. They won't
do that to us, we are the same kind of team.
"That's why they play the games."
\_ Can we at least not lose as badly as the 'furd?
That was 51-21, 30 points ... not too hard, right?
\_ God I hope so. At least have it be respectable for 3 qtrs. |
| 2005/10/8-9 [Academia/StanfUrd] UID:40026 Activity:nil |
10/8 All petty inter-school rivalries aside, congrats to the Stanford
Racing Team for winning the DARPA Grand Challenge today:
http://www.grandchallenge.org |
| 2005/9/10-13 [Academia/UCLA, Academia/StanfUrd] UID:39620 Activity:kinda low |
9/10 How does a university with Cal's academics manage to recruit as well
as it has for Tedford the past couple years?
\_ Academics and athletics are not mutually exclusive; Michigan
has had a consistently successful football program, and sells
out their 100K seat stadium for every game. -tom
\_ U. Mich? I've found that U. Mich people just like to talk
about themselves a lot and how U. Mich is the greatest
thing since sliced bread. You sure their academic
reputation isn't just a lack of modesty?
\_ You might want to read about 'statistics' and 'standardized
tests'. Your post implies an egregious lack of understanding
tests'. Your post implies a flagrant lack of understanding
about academic reputation and how it's derived.
\_ I've found these "statistics" and "standardized tests"
to be pure BS. The USNews reports use things like SAT
scores, GPA, alumni donation, and things that don't
really mean much to rank colleges. But results speak
for themselves. In the place where I work, the ones
that come from no-name colleges produce some of the
best results I've seen whle those from these top-notch
colleges are usually just full of themselves and can't
do jack shit. UMich people, for some reason, seem to
be the worst offenders.
\_ Right, studies which actually have quantitative metrics
are pure BS, while one person's subjective experience
is truth.
Oh and here's another hint; top universities do not
exist to churn out good workers. -tom
\_ And you think these objective "quantitative
metrics" are a good indicator of academic
rigor? I really don't care how well any student
did on their ACT/SAT, what their HS GPA is,
or how much alumni give to that school. Look
at Stanford. These kids work their ass of in HS
to get into that school. Their alumni donates
money like there''s not tomorrow. But they
also just slack off once the get in and are
guaranteed a 4.0 GPA. I haven't found many
Stanford students to be that stellar.
\_ I'm guessing your argument is that they exist
to promote intellectual progress in the form of
research and scholarly debate? Sure, for the
best and the brightest. A good professor might
not be a good worker bee. On the other hand, any
good professor is going to have to have a lot of
skills which make them good 'workers'. They just
fit into higher level jobs. I don't think you
can make a case that a university is a good one
if all of the people it turns out are poor
workers. It may not be the objective to turn out
good workers, but it seems to happen anyway.
\_ I'm guessing you're a moron. Actually, no,
I'm not guessing. -tom
\_ Way to defend your point - with an
ad-hominem and no facts.
\_ Sorry, the idea that schools should be
measured based on what some anonymous coward
perceives as the productivity of some
people he's worked with is far too
ridiculous to respond to. -tom
\_ I'm not the original poster and I
*was* curious what your opinion is
on this topic but I don't care now.
\_ Funny how tom can manage to piss
off people who might sympathize
with him.
\_ I don't need morons to sympathize
with me. -tom
\_ Yeah, he's already got
himself, and he's the
biggest moron around!
-jrleek
\_ According to USNews, Cal=#20, UCLA=#24, UMich=#25
\_ Ob Todd Bozeman |
| 2005/9/9-12 [Academia/StanfUrd] UID:39584 Activity:nil |
9/9 String Theory lecture at Stanford on monday:
http://continuingstudies.stanford.edu/course/EVT98.asp |
| 2005/7/12-14 [Academia/StanfUrd] UID:38587 Activity:kinda low |
7/12 Free lecture on gravity waves tomorrow night at stanford:
http://continuingstudies.stanford.edu/course/EVT96.asp
\- that GGS fellow is giving a talk on friday in SF. ok tnx.
\_ url/time-location please
\_ This guy is a Laser guy. Why is he having a talk on gravitationa
\- i dont have a url. sponsored by the long now people.
probably in NW quadrant of SF ... presideo or ft mason.
\_ This guy is a Laser guy. Why is he having a talk on gravitational
waves? What is nonlinear optics BTW?
\_ Laser interferometry is an extremely sensitive detector of
distance, including over long distances, which makes them
useful for detecting gravity waves (since they should manifest
themselves as distance fluctuations.) As a laser guy, he's
presumably involved at the detector end of things, and
gravity waves make a much sexier topic for a talk like this
than nonlinear optics (see below).
\- narrowly, NLO is the study of the behavior of em radiation
in "non linear" media ... which turns out to capture most
complex optical phenomena. in practice, this is a pretty
big catch all convering everyhting from lasers to lcds to
"slowing light" and various other photonic manipulation
projects. there are many applied subfields, including the
obvious [like optical comm], but also less obvious ones [like
obvious [like telecom], but also less obvious ones [like
biology, but i dont know anything about that]. in terms of
physical phenomena, it includes things like the raman effect
and on the theroy side things like the theory of solitons.
berkeley actually has some quite important people in this
field [CHU, SHEN, TOWNES etc]. if there are any phyiscs grad
student replying, feel free to delete this. optics is the only
field where i came across septuple integrals. optics text
books are a good way to scare normal people.
area [CHU, SHEN, TOWNES etc].
\_ It's fairly normal to see huge nested integrals in
belief propagation. -- ilyas
\_ Laser interferometry is the leading method for detecting
gravity waves (and possibly proving string theory). NASA
is currently working on a space based laser interferometry
system called LISA (Laser Interferometry Space Antenna)
which is supposed to be a big laser triangle in space (3
million miles each side) and will be able to detect gravity
waves generated by black holes and stars.
iirc, there is a current laser interferometry experiment
called LIGO (Laser Interferometer Gravitational Wave
Observatory) that hopes to detect gravity waves from the
big bang in order to show if some predictions of string
theory are correct. |
| 2005/3/26 [Academia, Academia/StanfUrd] UID:36891 Activity:high |
3/26 I don't get it. Why didn't the Schindlers get some well respected
neurologists to do an exam on her? They already presented two at
trial: one of them was a quack, and the judge ignored the other one.
If they could have gotten a prominent neurologist to back their claims
when her eyes and tongue weren't bleeding, maybe an appeals court
would have ordered the tube re-inserted.
The William Chesire opinion was based on watching edited video, and he
did not bother to do a neurological exam, and he does not explain why.
If Michael Schiavo blocked further neurological exams, don't you think
this would be the main complaint by the Schindlers? Something like,
"He doesn't want neurologists to see her!"
The only conclusion to me is that the Schindlers CAN'T get a competent
neurologist to back their opinion. The weight of science is with
Michael Schiavo. Her condition hasn't changed in 12 years, and there
are ~ 4 known cases where those judged to be in a permanent
vegetative state have come back -- and that happened 2 years into the
PVS at most.
\_ most likely, well respected doctors are reluctant to take up this
case. If you know your odds at low, why take it up when it can
ruin your medical reputation?
\_ Why would a Mayo Clinic doctor visit the patient and not
conduct a neurological exam? Why didn't he say something like,
"Michael Schiavo prevented me from doing the full exam!" or
"I didn't have enough time!" or "The courts prevented me!".
The guy is biased.
How about:
"He generally has a reasonably thoughtful, conservative
Christian right-to-life perspective," said David Magnus,
co-director of the Stanford University Center of Biomedical
Ethics. "He definitely is not a neutral party with respect to
these culture wars. He has turf to defend."
"I think he is clearly biased against declaring her in a
persistent vegetative state," said Dr. Gene Sung, director of
the neurocritical care section of USC's department of neurology,
who read Cheshire's report. "He feels there is something there.
That is not a scientific nor medical decision -- it really
sounds like it's a personal feeling. It's hard to reconcile that
with a medical decision."
\_ you can't do nuerological exams if the courts bar you from doing
so. Cheshire examined Terri for 45 minutes in person, essentially
the same time as the other neurologists who had testified in the
earlier trial for the state and for Felos. You have to understand
access to Terri is heavily restricted by the court.
\_ I'm not sure under FL state law, but at least under the fed rules,
you can't have a medical exam conducted till you get to discovery
and even then you need a ct order. The case in fed ct is no where
close to discovery.
BTW, an appellate ct rarely, if ever, asks for new evid to be
presented to it. If her parents wanted to present new medical
they would have had to make the appropriate motions in trial
ct and then if the motions were refused, they would have had
to ask the appellate ct to allow the motions b/c the trial
ct erred as a matter of law or it abused its discretion.
\_ To the two folks above:
Even though it's kind of too late, as I already suggested, I
believe if Michael Schiavo had allowed it, then a neurologist
could have performed a neurological exam on her. If Michael
Schiavo was not allowing it, then this is what the Schindlers
should have been complaining about.
Since they were not complaining about it, I don't think they
cared about the objective truths that may have come out from
another neurological exam from a competent doctor.
By the way, the exam by Chesire was notably NOT a neurological
exam, and he hasn't explained why.
http://www.mayoclinic.org/news2005-jax/2724.html
\_ Certainly if he allows it, an exam can be conducted.
However, an exam may be conducted even if he does
not agree to it as part of a discovery order from
ct b/c her medical condition is at issue.
\_ no it can't. The court, ie. the legally blind judge
greer, has forbidden any such examination repeatedly.
Terri has not had any neurological tests since those
cat scans, period.
\_ AFAIK, the judge's orders barring tests were in
response to motions to compel the tests. If the
parents moved for a motion to compel the tests
and the husband did not oppose, then the motion
would have to be granted. Refusal to grant an
unopposed motion can be immediately appealable. |
| 2005/3/10 [Academia/OtherSchools, Academia/StanfUrd] UID:36621 Activity:high |
3/10 So the University of Colorado won't fire Churchill (free speech) but
they will fire a professor who's a christian.
http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36~53~2748616,00.html
\_ A totally one-sided opinion piece. They could try actually
asking the university more beyond the answer "his teaching
was not up to the department standards." Note how they just
sort of deflect that they're not quoting the school. They
quote the prof being fired quoting another prof (from whom
they got confirmation), then say a dean denied the quote. They
never say what the dean said was the reason.
\_ I agree. I'm willing to believe that a double-standard is
being employed, but that article is terrible. You really
shoot yourself in the foot by using that article to portray
your point of view.
\_ There is a HUGE difference between what a tenured prof can get
away with a what a lecturer with a MS can do. If Churchill had
be the latter he would have been fired instantly. That's the
whole point of tenure.
\_ It's actually more severe than that. Some schools hire as many
as twice as many junior faculty as they have tenured positions,
*expecting* to fire half. If you don't have tenure, you're
really just a temp.
\_ that's academia. Are you surprised?
\_ Expecting to fire them or just leading them on until
they eventually go away? I doubt that many are actually
fired. Do you mean layed off?
\_ You can call it whatever you want, but I know MIT works
this way. If you get an offer as junior faculty there,
at least in physics, you know you have around a 50/50
chance of survival, and that you may get the axe just
because your field lost out that year. I have a friend
who turned down an offer there for exactly that reason.
There are plenty of top places that do not operate this
way, however.
\_ At MIT the phrase is "hire three, tenure one". But neither
Stanford nor UC (any campus) work in that way.
\_ I HAVE NO USE FOR YOUR FACTS! DO NOT YOU BRING YOUR FACTS HERE! |
| 2005/1/21-22 [Academia/StanfUrd] UID:35850 Activity:moderate |
1/21 Where's the Cal Pride?
http://csua.org/u/asm (SFGate.com, Stanford Freshman nudish calendar)
\_ some humanitarian needs to do the rest of us a favor and buy all
of those calendars to burn them
\_ that chick is cute
\_ Yeah, but the pictures is retarded, and it makes he looks so
as well.
\_ Speaking of retarded....
\_ I agree. Cute girl and bad photograph. Are there more?
\_ "Co-creators ... with both holding cameras in strategic places. One
camera has a telephoto lens."
"A helpful friend shields her nether regions with the Time magazine
Person of the Year cover, showing President Bush."
Ha ha!
\_ Mired in liberal bureaucracy. |
| 2004/12/14 [Academia/StanfUrd] UID:35276 Activity:moderate |
12/13 I thought I went to Cal, not Stanford:
http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/news?slug=ap-banbcs
\_ By a Republican Cal alum!
\_ Graduated in '64, back when political distinctions mattered. |
| 2004/12/3-5 [Academia/StanfUrd, Academia/GradSchool/MBA] UID:35167 Activity:nil |
12/3 How "good" is an MBA from Sloan (MIT)? Is it comparable with
an MBA from, say, Stanford, Wharton, or Harvard?
\_ Very well respected, yes. |
| 2004/11/24 [Academia/StanfUrd] UID:35071 Activity:high |
11/23 How'd this get in the Stanford Daily?
http://tinyurl.com/6jnbr (daily.stanford.edu) - danh
\_ Funny thing is, when I was a cal undergrad, I felt that all this
stanford rivalry crap was stupid, and that they were pretty similar
schools. After being out for a few years and working with people
from both schools I no longer feel that way. Stanford really
does turn out some whiners with no balls. And ditto times five
for the east coast snob schools--only they have *much* lower
standards for technical education than either cal or stanford.
Cal was not my first choice in highschool, but it sure would have
been if I knew what I know now.
\_ MIT grads are the only ones who have been almost uniformly
competent in my experience. Possibly Caltech too, but the
sample size is too small and the 'tude was difficult to work
with.
\_ I noticed the Caltech attitude also. MIT people have been
awesome. I saw some pretty horrible people from Stanford,
and CMU before. -- ilyas
\_ The 'tude goes away once you've slapped them a few times.
They still have an unhealthy focus on the right thing vs.
the good enough thing though.
\_ I worked w/ Cornell, Brown and Princeton grads and they
were all very good. As far as Stanford is concerned, I
knew this girl who worked at Google in mkt around when
gmail first came out and instead of giving the accts
away for free to customers like she was supposed to,
she started selling them on ebay. Lost her job and her
options, but she made $5k a week for three weeks. They
don't teach you shit like that at Cal.
\_ Strange--all the people from Ivy league schools with whom I've
worked lately were very good. Maybe the shits stay in the
U.S. -John
\_ either the above statement is true, or you just suck a lot.
\_ Yer mom thought I was pretty awesome. -John
\_ Yer dad thought I was pretty awesome. -John
\_ you're a traitor for reading the enemy's crappy biased newspaper.
\_ Fair and Balanced.
\_ Well try this one on for size. Their team lost this year but
they've won most of the Big Games over the past couple decades...
with teams composed of players who actually had to maintain GPAs,
attend at least a few real classes and may actually go on to
something professional after their moment of glory as a college
athlete, assuming they don't go pro. Compare that to what most of
us have heard about athletes at Cal. I'm not a college sports
fan and maybe it shows but I appreciate the way Stanford does it
much better than the way Cal does. Cal's version of the thing
makes a mockery of its academics and those who hold Cal degrees.
-- ulysses P.s., I agree that Stanford grads are generally
a bunch of overprivileged whiners. Mostly.
\_ So Stanford holds regular students to lower standards than
Cal and their atheletes are held to those same standards
while Cal is harsher on regular students but hold their
atheletes to lower standards than regular students? Doesn't
that make Cal and Stanford atheletes about on par with
each other?
\_ Cal does not hold athletes to lower standards than
regular students; the rules for academic probation/
dismissal are exactly the same. Athletes get more help
with their studies, and get a break on admissions (that
is also true at Stanford). Once they're here, they have
to perform. -tom
\_ (a < b) & (a = c) & (b > d) doesn't imply c = d .
\_ But it does imply ( (c>d) implies (a>d) )
\_ Given a lack of standard for GPA, it's hard to
determine c > d without knowing the persons involved.
Nor am I really sure that a = c.
\_ Geez you guys. It was just a joke. I understood
the whole logical fallacy when I wrote it. I just
didn't think anyone would attempt to get all
anal about it.
\_ ob yermom joke
\_ Cal is much harder on its student-athletes in terms of
academics than Stanford is. And both Braun and Tedford
seem to be very interested in academics; Cal's current
football team has something like 10 guys on the Pac-10
All-Academic team.
-tom
\_ I count 9 for Cal and 14 for Stanford in football. I don't
know how to compare these, though, given the difference
between what it takes to maintain a GPA at the two schools.
I am impressed by Derek Joyce. Maintaining a 3+ GPA in
MCB was no mean feat, even without an athletic program.
-- ulysses
\_ The only university football program that I do not have
contempt for is that of University of Chicago. They
had the right idea.
\_ Care to provide any context for that?
\-UChi got rid of their foodball program a long
time ago and pissed off a lot of alumni. Their
former president famously said "anytime i feel
like exercising, i lie down until the feeling
goes away." uchi is a great institution ... sort
of like berkeley in some ways. no nonsense school
that sends a lot of people back into academia.
you can look up robert maynard hutchins. --psb
\_ The Caltech one is pretty cool, too.
\_ Oh and here's men's hoops: Stanford 4, Cal 2. -- ulysses |
| 2004/11/22 [Recreation/Computer/Games, Academia/StanfUrd] UID:35015 Activity:high |
11/22 'Furd Daily: http://csua.org/u/a2o "Unforeseen were the penalties and the lack of sportsmanship displayed by both teams, especially towards the end of the game. ... It wasn't only the Cardinal who were playing dirty at the end of the game. Defensive tackle Babatunde Oshinowo was injured on what he thought was a dirty block by the Cal offensive line late in the game. While the Cardinal did pick up a lot of personal fouls, a good number were offset by personal fouls on the Bears." \_ Sshhh.... we beat them well; we can afford to be magnanimous. Just smile condescendingly if you must. \_ "They were playing just as dirty as we were!" |
| 2004/11/16-17 [Academia/StanfUrd] UID:34931 Activity:kinda low |
11/16 Condoleezza Rice and the Stanford Spy Ring
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1281630/posts
\_ The freeper cowards pulled it:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=20581 |
| 2004/11/16-18 [Academia/StanfUrd, Reference/Law/Court] UID:34929 Activity:high |
11/16 http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/11/16/abercrombie.lawsuit.ap/index.html "The lawsuit was filed last June in San Francisco by Hispanic and Asian groups charging that Abercrombie & Fitch, known for its "classic casual American" clothing styles, hires a disproportionately white sales force, puts minorities in less-visible jobs and cultivates a virtually all-white image in its catalogues and elsewhere" I don't get this. A&F (or any company) doesn't isn't obligated to use minority models and faces in its catalogues. Can't they do whatever they want in their catalogues? \_ hispanics already have shitty clothes.. - hispanic \_ What's the point of this, from a business standpoint? Aren't they just losing money by not catering to non-white buyers? It seems that they are screwing their shareholders as well as their workers (as usual with shitty companies.) \_ "The original lawsuit was brought on behalf of nine young minorities, including students and graduates of Stanford University and the University of California, who were denied jobs or fired based on their race." -tom \_ If you went to Stanford or Cal and you are working at A&F instead of shopping there, there is something seriously wrong with you. \_ why do you say that? Like all major companies, A&F has programmers, business managers, board members, etc. It doesn't say anything about the jobs being in retail. -tom \_ I'm sure they worked there while still in school. \_ They can. The point is that the all white image filtered down to the sales force, which is illegal. \_ so who gets the settlement money? hispanics or the fake hispanics w/ fake concern? \_ Trick question. It goes to the lawyers. \_ don't forget the asians and fake asians w/ fake concerns. \_ What is a fake asian? Or a fake hispanic? \_ It's located in OH, a fucking red neck state with a lot of white supremacists and racists. \_ It's located in OH, a fucking red neck state who put an idiot back into the White House. \_ Why blame OH and not the other 30 states that voted for him? \_ um, yeah. I just searched their web site for about 8 min, could not find a single minority looking person in the catalog. HEIL AYRIAN RACE!!! KKK R3WLS! HEIL! \_ ? I didn't even say anything... -John \_ Does Ayran include Indian and Iranian? \_ Does Aryan include Indian and Iranian? \_ depending on your caste. |
| 2004/11/15-16 [Academia/StanfUrd, Academia/Berkeley] UID:34887 Activity:low |
11/15 I wasn't all that excited when I learned that Times ranked Cal #2,
until I found today that Stanfurd ranked #7.
\_ Granted the criterea, Cal's rank following Harvard sounds right.
I don't know about the sciences or the professional schools, but
the truism in the humanities & the social sciences is that
less status-obsessed schools like Cal and UChicago are good places
to be productive, while Harvard is a good place to die. --elizp
\_ URL, please. And it kills me that Cal football is #4.
Still doesn't guarantee a Big Game win.
\_ http://www.thes.co.uk/worldrankings. -tom
\_ is there an open login? csuamotd/csuamotd doesn't work
\_ http://www.bugmenot.com
\_ http://www.coe.berkeley.edu/newsroom/index.html
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-1343642,00.html
I lost the link to the .pdf file that lists the scores of
all 500 universities.
\_ ETH, ANU, LSE and especially Singapore are way overrated
here. UCSF and Caltech are hard to compare to large
universities.
\_ "... academics worldwide regard Harvard as an excellent institution,
although they rate Berkeley more highly.
"... Harvard has reached the pinnacle by doing well in both of
our most highly weighted criteria - peer review and the number
of paper citations per faculty member"
Granted the criterea, Cal's rank following Harvard sounds right.
I don't know about the sciences or the professional schools, but
the truism in the humanities & the social sciences is that
less status-obsessed schools like Cal and UChicago are good places
to be productive, while Harvard is a good place to die. --elizp
\_ in terms of what? academics? sports? prestige?
\_ Academics.
\_ URL, please. And it kills me that Cal football is #4.
Still doesn't guarantee a Big Game win.
\_ http://www.thes.co.uk/worldrankings. -tom
\_ is there an open login? csuamotd/csuamotd doesn't work
\_ http://www.bugmenot.com
\_ http://www.coe.berkeley.edu/newsroom/index.html
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-1343642,00.html
I lost the link to the .pdf file that lists the scores of
all 500 universities.
\_ ETH, ANU, LSE and especially Singapore are way overrated
here. UCSF and Caltech are hard to compare to large
universities. |
| 2004/7/28-29 [Academia/StanfUrd] UID:32535 Activity:high |
7/28 What are the good used bookstores near Stanfurd/south bay, with good
collection on academic books (non-cs) like Black Oaks/Moe in Berkeley?
\_ Castro street in mountain view has some
\_ The Stanford bookstore on campus (and probably downtown PA) has
a good selection of all sorts of stuff.
\_ Thanks. But stanford bookstore doesn't carry used books except
in its textbook section, does it? And the one or two bookstores
on Castro near the train station does not seem to come close to
black oaks/moe in terms of the level of the books when I last
visited them. Are there better ones?
\_ Kepler's |
| 2004/4/7 [Recreation/Celebrity/WilliamHung, Academia/StanfUrd] UID:13057 Activity:nil Cat_by:auto |
4/7 Why are girls attracted to idiots like William Hung?
\_ Somebody's gotta fuck all you ugly sodans.
\_ nice troll, but hung's civ eng
\_ Remeber the Caltech womens' motto:
"The odds are good, but the goods are odd."
\_ This quote is from the PhD comic (originating at Stanford,
I think).
\_ This has been a saying at CalTech since at least
the early eighties. -ausman
\_ Because he's genuine and not an overt asshole.
\_ But those stupid bitches ALWAYS go for overt assholes, not NICE
guys like ME!
\_ I am sure this is a troll, but in any case, women don't
go for wussified "nice guys." They don't really go for
assholes, it just seems that way to you. They go for
confident, entertaining guys, some of whom are assholes.
\_ No shit sherlock. That last post was troll/motd satire.
Ah well. --evil troll
\_ Actually, no. When I was in school it was always easier
to nail a chick if I treated her like crap. The worse
I treated her the more slavish she behaved. Treating
a college girl well but showing confidence in myself
(not being the pussified wimp) worked ok but required
more effort for less gain.
\_ Actually it's a little more complicated. Most girls
can't distinguish between confident and asshole. They
look similar to the untrained eye. So many girls go
for confident and get asshole instead.
\_ Well, chicks are attracted to money, fame, and power (and hunks).
Hung at least has some fame and a bit of money. And he's not butt
ugly. Do the math. (btw how good looking are these chicks?)
\_ He's not butt ugly? He's one of the ugliest motherfuckers
walking the planet. Sheesh. Send me to your universe and
I'd be Adonis.
\_ Actually I didn't remember what he looked like. Google
shows me I was wrong. Well, he's not hideously ugly so much
as he sometimes looks vaguely retarded, like a down's kid.
But generally he's not that bad:
http://www.williamhung.net/viewphoto.cfm?d=Gallery&p=9
\_ Look at the rest of them. He is reasonably good looking,
especially when he smiles. He no Rock Hudson, but who is?
\_ my old colleague looks kind of like william hung. he hails
from hk too. real person has even better resemblance than
photos here.
http://www.pakhui.com |
| 2004/3/31-4/1 [Academia/Berkeley, Academia/StanfUrd] UID:12956 Activity:moderate |
3/31 http://www.dailycal.org/article.php?id=14723 So let me get this straight: The current drop deadline is WHEN? 8th week? After generations of getting to make fun of Stanford students for getting to drop classes super late, now it turns out Berkeley has whiny students about the same thing? Undergrads are getting soft. 5th week is plenty long. \_ The Dean of Undergraduate Division is named Robert Holub??? clearly there's some conspiracy here... \_ Well, grades have long been inflated, so why not later drop deadline too? Pretty soon every Cal grad has 3+ GPAs. \_ First time I've ever heard of grade inflation at Cal. When did this start? I remember 50% of the Physics 7ABC students getting C+ because that's how the department wanted the curve to be. \_ Stanford can drop up until 2 weeks before the end of classes; far later than Cal. \_ That's not true. It's 4 weeks, not 8. You can WITHDRAW later, but it appears on your transcript; it's not a drop. \_ but it doesn't count against your GPA. \_ Real men have multiple Ws on their transcripts. http://www.stanford.edu/dept/registrar/calendar/04-05_acad_cal.html \_ UCD drop deadline: 10 days. \_ also note, UCD is on quarter system \_ == 3 weeks on semester system. Again, 5 weeks on semester system is plenty long. \_ I agree -- I came from a quarter system -- but I thought it should be pointed out. \_ Who deleted my post about the insanity of the week 5 drop deadline? It's a nutty date. I'll be brief this time since I don't feel like digging it out of the archives: when midterms often don't even start until week 6, it is completely useless and ridiculous to make week 5 the drop deadline. \_ Allowing students to drop classes has nothing to do with letting them get out of a class because they're not doing well. |
| 2004/2/23-24 [Academia/StanfUrd] UID:12360 Activity:nil |
2/23 http://www.yellowmug.com nice OSX shareware and freeware! (unasked for marketing for an old friend and an eecs dude who married a stanford girl) \_ dmg's fail to mount. \_ a stanfurd girl, huh? he'll need all the help he can get! :-) \_ I hear stanfurd girls give the best head. \_ urlP? \_ pixP? \_ No, it's stanfurd guys. \_ Dear god that man abuses the brushed metal look. |
| 2003/4/14-15 [Recreation/Computer/Games, Academia/StanfUrd] UID:28120 Activity:kinda low 50%like:10063 |
4/14 Will Kyle Boller have a good NFL career?
\_ No. He's not better than Pat Barnes (who wasn't that great to
begin with), and look where Barnes is now (nowhere).
\_ QB's are hard to predict; I thought Barnes was a sure-fire
winner, and also Ryan Leaf, and we know how that worked out.
However, it is worth noting that Boller has significantly raised
his stock in the NFL combines, while Barnes' stock dropped.
Boller was originally projected as a late-round selection and
now most sites have him going in the first round. He's tall,
mobile and has an astounding arm (at the combine he threw a
ball through the uprights from midfield, while on one knee).
He will definitely get a chance. -tom
\_ strong arms aren't everything these days. mobility seems to
more important. teams are spreading the field, and not
putting enough blockers for the QB, and so the QB has to
improvise.
\_ yes, but that's why his stock is rising; he ran a 4.6
at the combine, the fastest time for a pure QB. -tom
\_ hope he has a good NFL Career. Was Jim Plunkett ex-Cal?
\_ hardly: he was ex-Stanford. -tom
\_ Stanford QBs seem to have greater prominence in
the NFL: Elway and Plunkett, for example.
\_ Yeah, but we have the best tight-end (Gonzalez)
and kick returner (O'Neal) in the game
\_ we also have a number of pro-bowl
linemen. In fact, Cal is one of the
top schools in the country in terms of
number of players in the pros. -tom
_/
What about Pac-10 as a whole? Looks like Miami*/Florida*/
Ohio State have large number of top NFL players.
\_ This factoid just seems to prove how bad our coaching
is. Great players, lousy record. What else coudl it be?
\_ Cal has rarely had depth to recover from injuries.
\_ Who's the last Cal QB with a significant NFL career? Joe Kapp?
\_ Craig Morton. -tom
\_ QB rankings in draft:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfldraft/story?page=qb_rankings |
| 2003/2/7-8 [Academia/StanfUrd] UID:27343 Activity:nil |
2/7 In case anyone is interested in this sort of thing, djb is giving
a talk on DNS security next wednesday at Stanford in Gates 4B @ |
| 2003/1/4-5 [Academia/StanfUrd] UID:26984 Activity:high |
1/3 Anyone know of any good (preferably nonbetting) site that shows sports
spreads? I want to know the spread for tomorrow's Cal/Stanford game.
\_ http://vegasinsider.com Cal by 2
\_ thanks. is there another site w/o the bbw (big breasted women)?
\_ bbw means big and beautiful women, aka land whales
\- that's no moon
\_ http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/gen/dailyline |
| 2003/1/4 [Academia/StanfUrd] UID:26982 Activity:nil |
1/2 I've got an extra ticket to Cal vs Stanford on Saturday
$30; contact me if you're intersted --dpassage |
| 2002/11/24-25 [Academia/StanfUrd] UID:26613 Activity:high |
11/23 We will have the axe back!
\_ "we"? Whatever.
\_ woohoo! about freakin time!
\_ Many thanks for not watching to the guy who's been jinxing us all
these years...
\_ You're welcome!
\_ 30 to 7! I still can't believe it.
\_ Where can I find the scores for all the big games?
\_ Pac-10 or across the country? If the latter, might as well
use ESPN.
\_ For all the Cal/Stanford Big Games ever.
\_ <DEAD>www.axetheft.com/History/scores.txt<DEAD>
\_ Perfect, Beautiful, Thanks.
\_ I waited four years before Cal got the axe in 1993.
1990 sucks especially bad. Hopefully the 00s won't be as
bad as the 60s and 90s. 1991 was bad too when a good Stanford
team beat a very good Cal team (final national ranking #7)
with the help of great running by Vardell.
\_ But we will still always have THE PLAY. |
| 2002/10/19-20 [Academia/StanfUrd] UID:26256 Activity:low |
10/18 How's Stanford, twohey?
\_ hey what are you, some kind of freak stalker?
How's chialea doing at CMU?
\_ Poor alexf, already forgotten.
\_ hardly, unfortunately... -alexf
\_ alexf, how to get into Berkeley? Help. -junior
\_ why can't you post a serious response on motd?
\_ email if you want a serious response. -alexf
\_ serious response receiver, can you please post alexf's
response? Thanks.
\_ suddenly become leet, or suck appropriate dick. helps to
be female and attractive if you opt for the latter.
\_ helpful but not necessary. diversity rules! |
| 2002/10/5 [Academia/StanfUrd] UID:26112 Activity:nil |
10/5 http://webcast.berkeley.edu -- does this mean we're heading toward the SITN direction, that we're slowing catching up to the Furds? \_ Stanford >> Cal in most things except self inflated sense of worth. \_ Except math. And ee. And theory. And philosophy. And a bunch of other stuff I can't remember right now. |
| 2002/10/4 [Academia/OtherSchools, Academia/StanfUrd] UID:26097 Activity:kinda low |
10/3 Where can I get undergrad rankings? Interested in Harvey Mudd, etc
etc.
\_ 1. harvard
2. princeton
3. yale
4. mit
5. - 9. various other east coast schools
10. stanford
11. cal
12. - 200. more warm body environments
201. harvey mudd
\_ U.S. News and World Report?
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/edu/college/rankings/rankindex_brief.php
\_ US News' rating system is pretty arbitrary, and doesn't apply
at all to schools which only have undergraduate programs (like
Mudd). -tom
\_ sure, it's arbitrary, but when people say a school is ranked
such and such, they are refering to the usnews ranking,
wether it's stupid and arbitrary or not. i've worked with
several people from all of the schools listed above since
graduating, and am damn glad i went to cal and not some
stupid east coast school where all the students are
identical.
\_ Identical can be good. Cal has so much variance, ymmv a lot.
There are really smart cal grads (like myself) and really
dumb ones (like you, heh). At your stupid east coast school,
what you see is what you get (alllooksame).
\_ One can make the argument that providing teaching alone does
not make a good undergraduate environment, especially for
people who actually wish to become scientists and engineers
themselves. I agree with that argument.
\_ i also agree.
\_ The counter-argument is that at a school like Mudd,
undergrads work directly with their professors and are
given top priority, which doesn't tend to be true at
research universities. It's a tradeoff. -tom
\_ CS ranking or overall?
\_ Where do CalTech, CMU and Cornell rank?
\_ Caltech |
| 2002/10/2 [Academia/StanfUrd] UID:26076 Activity:high |
10/2 is it true that at Stanford you ask for your receipt instead of
your diploma since you buy your degree instead of earn it?
\_ I'm no 'furd fan, but isn't that like any school, including
Cal? we pay tuition too you know.
\_ But for such a tough CS school to give out such an easy MS
degree, it looks to me they're selling it.
\_ so how come cal's MS isn't "easy"? isn't it the same?
\_ At least Cal requires a thesis.
\_ Yes, but you can drop a class up until the last day without
any problems. Gotta D in a class? Drop it, take it until it
gets better, and, by the way, here's the bill for your tuition. |
| 2002/7/8 [Academia/Berkeley/Classes, Computer/HW/IO, Academia/StanfUrd] UID:25300 Activity:kinda low |
7/8 The mouse was invented by a Cal alumus IN THE SIXTIES!
http://www.coe.berkeley.edu/labnotes/0702/history.html
\_ bh showed his presentation in lecture when I took CS 61A. It was
interesting. --dim
\_ yeah, but he was working at Stanford. Engelbart also invented
hyperlinks, I think. |
| 2002/5/10 [Academia/StanfUrd] UID:24780 Activity:very high 61%like:24773 |
5/9 Where's twohey going to? -twohey #1 fan
\_ Stanford, the little devil.
5/ Ice melts. End of world near.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?u=/ap/20020509/ap_wo_en_ge/us_new_iceberg_1&printer=1
\_ it's only the shelves that are breaking up.
\_ Yermom charges more than a dollar. End of world near.
\_ Stanford, the fucking little devil.
\_ He wanted to get a real education.
\_ what is twohey's GPA? |
| 2002/5/10 [Academia/UCLA, Academia/StanfUrd] UID:24779 Activity:very high 50%like:24822 75%like:25056 |
5/9 ucla ee guy, did you get anything from usc and stanford?
\_ I got into usc, but nothing from stanford yet.
\_ how much is Stanford's tuition?
\_ you get what you pay for
\_ Not. How many overpriced private degree farms can
you name?
\_ how much is USC's tuition? |
| 2002/4/25 [Academia/StanfUrd] UID:24588 Activity:high |
4/24 ucla ee guy, if you got into Stanford would you go? The tuition there
is $27000/year vs. $6000/year at UCLA.
\_ What's the deal with the stanford distance learning MS? Seems like
a lot of people in valley working for big companies get one of
those. Is it remotely equivalent to a "normal" MS at stanford?
\_ Yes it's the same degree as the normal MS, but both the normal MS
and the SITN MS are vending-machine programs.
\_ they're not as easy to get in as people say it is. Still,
it is overpriced and overrated. |
| 2002/4/21 [Academia/StanfUrd] UID:24508 Activity:very high |
4/19 I got my acceptances to MIT today, also I got into CMU and stanford.
Stanford is offering me only $25k, while MIT is offering $30k. Do
people think it's worth staying in CA at a cost of $5k?
\_ *yawn* my package from MIT included a penthouse apartment and
severeal whores. of course i turned them down to make 280k/yr
as a sysadmin for a cluster fof four macintoshes.
as a sysadmin for a cluster of four macintoshes in tahiti.
\_ I turned down that job. Too much work for too little pay.
\_ Bullshit, no grad schools offer much over $22k for Fall 2002. And
none are announcing Fall 2012 admissions yet.
\_ Stanford PhD candidates were invited to the campus on March. They
even had dinner across Gates Hall. Their SIR was due on April 15th.
The # of applications nearly trippled this year. How do I know all
this? Because I took an SITN class and the professor told me so.
She's part of the admission committee. Boy, you are a big fuckin'
liar.
\_ You only got $30k? You were probably someone's last choice or
something after a bus load of others got killed in a fluke typhoon
or something. You might as well give it up and go to Hayward
because you only got a mercy 'filler' admit anyway.
\_ is someone bitter?
\_ Nope. Perhaps it was too subtle for you.
\_ perhaps the statement was too lame.
\_ No. You're just dumb. Sorry, not my fault.
\_ no. dumb was the "only $30k" statement. |
| 2002/3/28-29 [Academia/StanfUrd] UID:24267 Activity:high |
3/28 Comment on the ACM programming contest. Do we advertise this
competition in the math department? All the problems involve
algorithms or it's heavily math oriented. I'm wondering if we're
sending too many *nix coding monkeys and not people with deep
understanding of the algorithms.
\_ I remember having to explain to a math graduate student (who shall
remain nameless) how to reverse a linked list. -- ilyas
\_ If our team was run by Hilfinger, which it was and he had
anything to do with picking the team, then our team must
have been pretty talented. I just don't understand why
we didn't do better.
\_ you wants lots of mconsts, ian goldbergs, nikita borisovs,
and ben rudiak-golds
\_ It's pathetic no matter how you look at it. Also, how come
the Indian Institute of Technologies are not well represented?
Those are pretty good schools.
\_ Sigh ... The PRC universities got all the top spots, while
Taiwan's bests are way down at the honorable mentions, with
Berkeley of course.
\_ uhhh, what the (@*&($ is JiaoTong University, Tsinghua Univ,
Fudan Univ, etc? And why the (@#*&$* is Stanford 5th and Berkeley
below 30th? What happened?
\_ Those are all famous universities in Mainland China. The math
dept. in Fudan is pretty famous, I think.
\_ Universities by the same name exist in Taiwan, too.
\_ I think the quality of Berkeley has gone down:
2001 Berkeley HM, Stanford 5th
2000 Berkeley none, Stanford 15th
1999 Berkeley 7th, Stanford HM
1998 Berkeley 11th, Stanford 24th
1997 Berkeley none, Stanford 16th
1996 Berkeley 1st, Stanford none
1995 Berkeley 5th, Stanford 19th
1994 Berkeley 6th, Stanford none
1993 Berkeley 4th, Stanford 2nd
1992 Berkeley none, Stanford 3rd
1991 Berkeley none, Stanford 3rd
\_ What's "HM"?
\_ Honorable Mention.
\_ You know why we were 1st in 1996, cuz I was on the team.
\_ and you are? |
| 2002/3/20-21 [Academia/StanfUrd] UID:24172 Activity:high |
3/20 Shots fired at Stanford. One dead.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/gate/archive/2002/03/20/shooting.DTL
\_ this wouldn't be on the news if it happened at Berkeley
\_ Russian mafia is more fun than Stanford police:
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2002/03/20/MN192427.DTL
\_ so who died? the man that was pulled over? |
| 2002/3/20 [Academia/StanfUrd] UID:24161 Activity:nil |
3/19 What are some names we call StanfUrd besides The Farm?
\_ Leland Stanford JUNIOR University (emphasis on the Junior)
\_ the thing is, it's actually Leland Stanford Jr.'s University,
not Leland Stanford's Junior University.
\_ Yeah, we all know this, but we Cal Bears intentionally
re-associate the word "Junior" with "University." You just
don't get the joke. I simply call it "the Junior University",
besides calling it Stanfraud and $tanford.
\_ I think the person got the joke. S/he was just
pointing out a technicality.
\_ School across the Bay
\_ Why do we call it the Farm when there is obviously no farms.
On the other hand, there is the Berkeley Farm. What's up with that?
\_ Reference to 'degree farm.'
\_ Plenty of farms in Stanfurd's backyard along Foothill Exwy/
Sandhill.
\_ It's the same as why Stanford calls us "weenies" when
they're red and from animals that live on a Farm. |
| 2002/3/15-16 [Academia/StanfUrd] UID:24127 Activity:high |
3/15 If your school is based on the quarter system, do you still have
the fall term? Or you call it autumn?
\_ fall b4 xmas, winter & spring after
\_ um, there is a fall, winter, spring and sumer qtr when I was at
UCLA. Transferring to cal I had to get used to the long sems.
\_ fall, autumn... what's the difference what its called?
\_ The farm has autumn, winter, spring and summer, but prof's at
the farm still call the autumn term the fall term.
\_ reiterating something someone else said: what's the difference?
i say tomato, you say tomatoe.
\_ potatoe
\_ I understand yermom when she says "autumn" with her mouth full
\_ You say Stanford, I say Stanfurd.
\_ Its written S-T-A-N-F-O-R-D but is pronounced as "the farm"
\_ Hail Trees. The school that had the hutspah to get 280 built.
\-Just refer to it as The Fraud as in Stanfraud as in using
tax dollars for yachts and flowers for weddings. --psb
\_ as opposed to berkeley charging its students for money to
complete citris projects when citris funds have been mis-
appropriated? No thanks. At least Stanford didn't promise
hope to the state and then lie about it.
\_ citris projects? |
| 2002/3/6 [Academia/GradSchool, Academia/StanfUrd] UID:24032 Activity:nil |
3/6 speaking of grad school... how does the stanford HCP work?
what does it take to get in? do the companies in their SCPD
program generally pay for all your tuition?
\_ What does Stanford HCP have to do with graduate school?
\_ you can do a masters or phd at the farm via hcp.
\_ Supposedly, you apply just like any other student. So
the odds should be about the same. It may help that your
company is sponsoring. Some companies, don't pay a cent.
Some have a limit, like $6000 a year, so you may have to
pay the rest out of your pocket.
\_ if your odds are the same as any other student, I guess
my 2nd question turns into 'what does it take to get into
the MS program at stanford? (in terms of grades, gre, etc
\_ The odds are better than a standard student. In terms
of grades, min 3.0, prefered 3.5 or higher. General GRE
math/anal 750-800, english 650+. Subject not required
for most majors. It really helps to have a stanford prof.
recommend you, or someone famous in your proposed field.
Also helps if you have a direct relative who is a alum.
\_ Cisco and Sun pay all of the tuition and books. Intel will
reimburse you as long as you provide a official grade report
showing that you got a B or higher. |
| 2002/3/5 [Academia/StanfUrd] UID:24026 Activity:nil |
3/5 watch larry king live tonight: stanford profs are pedophiles.
\_ or read the transcript:
http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0203/04/lkl.00.html
\_ Why would anyone want to watch larry king alive or dead? He's
an incredibly boring interviewer. If it wasn't for Ross using LK's
show to announce his run no one would know who the hell LK is today. |
| 2002/2/4 [Academia/StanfUrd] UID:23771 Activity:nil |
2/3 I'm an sitn student. How come .forward and .procmailrc don't work
on the Stanford machines?
\_ <DEAD>www.stanford.edu/services/stanford.you<DEAD>. Why are you
asking this on a csua machine? consult@leland will answer these
questions. Sheesh.
\_ talg is this you? |
| 2001/8/24 [Academia/StanfUrd] UID:22255 Activity:nil |
8/24 where can i find the dna database from human genome project?
\_ http://www.ornl.gov/hgmis/project/journals/sequencesites.html |
| 2001/7/25 [Academia/StanfUrd] UID:21942 Activity:high 66%like:21931 |
7/24 Do you date more in college? Or after college?
Before: .
During: .....
\_ You will never find as many young women ready, willing, and
able as in college. Get it while you can. --dim
\_ does that include stanford women? there is a stereotype
they are too studious to date.
\_ Did you mean "stupid" instead of
"studious"? I've never met a
stanford chick who had anything
resembling a brain. Other parts
were good, but just no intelligence.
\_ Too ugly to care. See Clinton, Chelsea. --dim
\_ Even those in biz school?
\_ Get out from behind your computer screen more often,
d00d.
\_ D00D 570P TRY1NG 2 B3 '1337!
After: ...
\_ Definitely after. Never had the time in school.
\_ Yermom is always available
Same: .
\_ Once a mac daddy pimp, alwyas a mac daddy pimp - tjb
Never date: .
[ results organized into standard motd poll format - motd
formatting daemon ] |
| 2001/7/24-25 [Academia/StanfUrd, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:21931 Activity:high 66%like:21942 |
7/24 Do you date more in college? Or after college?
\_ Yer mom is always available
\_ Definitely after college.
\_ In college.
\_ After.
\_ During.
\_ In college.
\_ In college.
\_ Before.
\_ You will never find as many young women ready, willing, and
able as in college. Get it while you can. --dim
\_ does that include stanford women? there is a stereotype they
are too studious to date.
\_ Too ugly to care. See Clinton, Chelsea. --dim
\_ Even those in biz school?
\_ Get out from behind your computer screen more often, d00d.
\_ In college.
\_ Definitely after. Never had the time in school. |
| 2001/6/24-25 [Recreation/Dating, Academia/StanfUrd] UID:21610 Activity:very high |
6/23 Do Berkeley guys aspire to "date up" to Stanford girls?
\_ "Fuck Stanford." 'Nuff said.
\_ Generically speaking, it can be (somewhat correctly) said that
girls like 'ruff 'n' tuff guys, not pretty boys. Guys like
pretty girls. So Farm girls go for Cal guys, and Cal guys go for
Stanfud girls.
\_ And Stanfurd guys go for sheep.
\_ hey, Danny Pintauro isn't representative of all
Stanford guys
\_ I know one Stanfurd guy (never graduated) who (used to?)
goes for a UCLA sorority girl
\_ Is this true across all demographics and ethnicities?
\_ It is true to some degree. Economists, sociologists
and others have found that a) men tend to marry
down, b) women tend to marry up and c) "up" and "down"
can be defined in various ways: more education,
ethnicity, occupational status, etc. These are
statistical findings, so they reflect population
averages rather than absolute rules. -fab
\_ I'm not asking interracial, just for various ethnicities
Because the above aspiration is opposite of what you
gave as more general tendencies of the population.
You are saying it's true but then give examples to
prove it untrue. I want to know if, i.e. European UCB
guys aspire to date up to Stanfurd girls as much as lets
say Asian guys want to date up to Stanfurd girls. And
same vice-versa.
say Asian guys want to date up to Stanfurd girls. But
perhaps more importantly now that I think about
it, vice-versa. Do S girls like to date down to UCB guys.
\_ Informal observation suggests that Asian girls/White
guys is much more common than Asian guys/White girls.
This is at UCB and confirms the Girl up/Guy down theory
since being White is in general a more prestigious
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
\_ WTF? Im sorry, but you're an idiot. Are you
from the 50's? Do you think asian women do nothing
but idolize white men? asian women and white males
are a frequent occurance at UCB, but so what beyond
that?
\_ Actually to me it seems like it's 50-50
asian/asian, white male/asian female couples
in L.A., at least the ones that I see in
public. -jctwu
category. If you crossed ethnicity with school -
\_ you're on crack. i'm going to get me a dumb ho from kobe.
Asian S girls v. W UCB boys, then it's unclear how much,
on the average , ethnicity outwieghs school prestige.
My hunch is that if you break Asian down (Chinese, Korean,
Indian, etc) then ethnicity outweighs UCB vs. Stanford,
you would get the classical F Up/M down according to
ethnicity. -fab
\_ The opposite is true wrt blacks/whites. Black guys date
white/Asian girls, but black girls usually date black
guys. So that either is a counterexample, or implies
that black > white wrt prestige.
\_ Not asking interracial. Euro-on-Euro. Or Asian-on-Asian.
\_ yes. it's categorically true with no allowance for individual
deviations. it's tautological and apodeictic.
\_ Rad. Vocabulary++
|_ ^Z; dict apodeictic; dict tautological; fg
\_ Fun ride, but I wouldn't want to marry one.
\_ As if you would want to marry anything.
\_ Here's the lowdown:
*Cal guys go for Stanford girls (they're prettier)
*Stanford girls go for Cal guys (they're real guys)
*Stanford guys go for sheep (as proven above)
*Cal girls go for girls (pretty damn evident)
\- the best pedigree for US chicks is Princeton, then Stanford,
but stanford has high variance. There are a lot of non-psycho,
sane people from the south, but I dunno about what college. --psb
\_ obWhatAboutAsianChix?
\_ Chicks are chicks, regardless of race.
\_ you're on crack. i'm going to get me a dumb ho from kobe. I
only care about japan. for me, Japan is all about pussy. easy
pussy. you say you're American and you get pussy. you work for
company as programmer, get good money and then can get your pussy.
no drama, no sexual harassment lawsuits, no bullshit. just
straight pussy. it simplifies everything and turns your mind
to goo so you don't worry about who backstabbed you and whatnot.
if your bitch fucks you up your ass, you go, "Hey, ho. I'm gonna
use my dough for another ho." And then go to some back alley
yakuza run place and get your pussy for the night.
\_ Where is /etc/motd.authenticated?
\_ You don't need to go to Japan for that. It's in SF/Oaktown/
Fremont/San Jose. Same style and cheaper with
same "no bullshit" rules.
\_ If this is the attitude of the future, I sincerely fear for
for the health of the world. --erikred |
| 2001/5/29 [Academia/StanfUrd] UID:21382 Activity:high |
5/30 http://www0.mercurycenter.com/premium/local/docs/stanstop29.htm Stanford dot-commers go back to school. Any Berkeley people do the same? \_ yes, me. \_ Save time. Never officially graduate like me. That way you can re-enroll whenever you want. And get senior priority on ACE/ tele-bears/whatever-they-are-using-nowadays. |
| 2000/10/3-4 [Academia/StanfUrd] UID:19399 Activity:very high |
10/02 Which came first (which then influences the other)?
1 the term Stanfurd becomes popular
2 freeway sign says Stanfurd
I guess this is a chicken and the egg problem eh?
\_ "Stanfurd" predates freeways & freeway signs
\_ Isn't it called the farm?
\_ "Stanfurd" also isn't popular except among morons. -tom
\_ It would really suck if you were named "Stanley Furd", wouldn't
it. -Stan
\_ What about "Stanfraud"?
\_ Making fun of someone's name is infantile.
\_ Then what about "$tanford"? |
| 2000/10/2-3 [Academia/StanfUrd] UID:19392 Activity:very high |
10/02 Both 101NB and 101SB exit to Embarcadero and University shows
Stanford with the top of the O blotched so that it looks like
Stanfurd. Was that done during the big game? It's pretty funny :)
I bet the wild Cal Indians did it.
\_ haha haha ha hahah. I bet you were one of those people who
were picked on a lot as a kid.
\_ who _was_
\_ No. The proper correction is "as _kids_".
\_ You're a blithering idiot -- but it's not worth the
effort to flame your egocentric ass.
\_ "those people who was..." is obviously incorrect,
therefore the latter person is correct with "as kids".
Also "you were" -> "you are", not that it's worth being
pedantic. And who's being egocentric? -pld
\_ The second person is correct. Because "of those
people" doesn't make sense standing by itself,
"who...picked on..." doesn't make sense modifying
"one". So it must modify "people", therefore the
plural. Also, "you were" should be "you are", as in
"YOU are the egocentric blithering idiot"; or "You
ARE flaming, even though you say you aren't." --pld
\_ Sentence parsed w/o prepositional phrases:
"You are one who was picked on a lot as a kid."
\_ No. Without the prepositional phrase, it is
"I bet you were one." Understand now? Your
sentence has similar sound and meaning, but it
is structurally different.
\_ Happens all the time.
\_ i've been driving by there for 3 yrs and i just noticed it for
the first time a few weeks ago... define "all the time."
\_ At least since 1989 or so. I lived in Palo Alto from
1984-1991 (when I went to Berkeley). I didn't start
driving till 1989 and so noticed it then. The sign gets
changed every so often and the "o" gets painted over soon
after. Obviously not since the beginning of time. But
more than a decade. |
| 2000/8/7-8 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Academia/StanfUrd] UID:18904 Activity:moderate |
8/6 Can someone settle an argument for me: what is Chelsea
Clinton's college major? Proof would be nice... best I
can get out of the search engines is "pre-med"...
\_ http://www.usaweekend.com/99_issues/991205/991205whosnews.html
says stuff about Stanford's concentration system - danh
\_ The concentration looks like a "minor" of sorts...
people still have majors according to the Stanford
web site. She still has to chose...
Doesn't anybody have a friend at Stanford that they
can ask?
\_ Does it matter? She doesn't attend classes and gets straight
A's. Think about it.
\_ does she let foreign dignataries 3x her age put their cocks
in between her warm, wet and willing labia? Maybe her professors?
maybe she turns tricks?
\_ how do you know that her pussy is warm and wet? Maybe
she's a frigid bitch like her mom.
\_ i hope not. my boss said he'd double my salary if
i did her up the ass.
\_ all i know is that she's looking more and more like her mother. |
| 2000/6/23-25 [Academia/StanfUrd] UID:18541 Activity:very high |
6/23 Why do all the Stanford girls fall for Berkeley guys? I know
many Standford Berkeley pairs with the girl from Stanford and
the guy from Berkeley. Even in the movies the Berkeley guys
always seem to be cool studs.
\_ Because both Hollywood and Stanfurd have a very blurred notion
of reality
\_ Compared to 'fraud guys Berkeley guys are cool studs. A
that you know more Cal guys with Stanfurd girls than Cal girls with
run of the mill 'fraud guy wouldn't last 1 semester at Cal.
\_ True, but that's not saying much still
\_ Maybe it's because you know more Cal guys than Berkeley girls, such
that you know more Cal guys with Cal guys than Cal girls with
\_ Is this supposed to be a joke?
\_ He's just babbling.
Stanfurd guys? -- yuen
\_ Bigger penises.
\_ Because daddy can buy his little girl an education, but he
\_ And how would you know that? Did you do some statistically
sig research on it?
\_ I fucked 98% of 'Furd women and they all prefer their men
from Cal where we're more intelligent and masculine. Well,
except for the Asians, but our Asians are more intelligent
and masculine than 'Furd Asians, so that counts for
something.
can't buy her a boy friend with intelligence and masculinity.
\- speaking as someone who went out with someone from the 'Fraud,
there is no such phenomena at a statistically sig level. --psb
\_ During college, girls like to experiment by slumming with Cal guys. |
| 2000/6/8 [Academia/StanfUrd] UID:18429 Activity:high |
6/6 Has anyone taken classes via SITN and have actually gotten a MSCS?
\_ I got heavily screwed by Stanfurd distance learning back
in high school (EPGY via CSP if that means anything to you);
I would highly discourage doing anything of this sort, at least
via Stanfurd. Can provide details by email. -alexf
\_I'll be finished with an MSEE after summer. 3.5 years is a long
time.
\_ what's SITN?
\_ Stanford Instructional Televison Network. Part of Stanford
Center for Professional Development (SCPD). You can get a
degree by taking a class or two at a time from a remote site.
You take exams on campus if you're close enough, and send
homework by courier. I took three classes and it nearly killed
me. I don't know how anyone can get their degree this way.
\_ it's possible if your job is easy, you have no gf, and
you have no life. I'm like that and got mine in 5 years.
\_ I just finished a class and I agree...expect no life. I
was either reading or doing a problem set every day of
the week. And don't forget watching the videos. Plus
no matter how much support you get at work, it's
unlikely your boss is gonna let you get away with not
doing what you are supposed to do despite your
courseload.
\_ it's not so bad. Just take a couple of classes. the
Stanford equivalents to the same ones we took as undergrads
are a serious joke. Take the OS class to see what I mean.
\_ CS240A is now CS140 in Stanford, which means the OS class
has become an undergrad class. But CS145 is nothing when
compared with CS186
\_ As the previous posters have said, expect no life. Most people
have said, go full-time instead of SITN!
\_ I took 2 ME classes at Stanford. via SITN. They were a fucking
joke, compared to UCB undergrad classes. I got an M.S. in 2
years by taking 2 classes per semester + summer at various
unis. Not that hard, but I was working 40 hr/wk, and not doing
much else.
\_ Industry SUCKS. Academia rewls.
\_ Heh. When I've made enough money in INDUSTRY to buy your wife
and children and pack them off to some remote research station
in Antarctica where they can't possibly reproduce, I'll come
lookin' for you and try real hard not to run your scruffy,
hand-to-mouth Academician ass down with my Lotus. Then maybe
I'll condescend to come back to school and perchance hang out
with your surviving fat-headed scruffy-ass Academician
friends and experience their little closed-off delusional
denial-powered world -- it'll probably be pretty funny.
\_ the best job in the world is no job at all if at all possible.
nothing is worse, agreed, then getting up in the morning
and having to answer to someone else. |
| 2000/5/14-15 [Academia/StanfUrd] UID:18257 Activity:high |
5/14 Who has better looking women? Stanford or UCB?
\_ the farm. Little known fact: The phrase
"take off that red shirt!" originated at stanford.
\_ I hear from people that Stanford women don't really date...
\_ yeah, but Stanford is mostly white....
\_ Two words: Chelsea Clinton. -tom |
| 2000/4/19-20 [Academia/StanfUrd] UID:18051 Activity:nil |
4/18 Found an mpeg of Ian Goldberg's talk at stanford:
http://stanford-online.stanford.edu/courses/EE380/000412-ee380-100.asx |
| 2000/1/29-30 [Politics, Academia/StanfUrd] UID:17371 Activity:nil |
1/29 National Collegiate Acapella competition happening tonight at
Wheeler Hall, 7PM. A few Cal groups and a few Stanford groups
will be competing. The last time the Men's Octet competed, they
got to the national final round at Carnegie Hall and won it all
the way. The Cal Jazz Choir will be hosting the event. Please
come if you like this sort of entertainment. $5 students, $10
general --reeser |
| 1999/8/19-20 [Academia/StanfUrd] UID:16341 Activity:high |
8/19 So why is it that so many SV companies are formed by Stanford grads
and nearly none by Berkeley grads? What are they getting from their
education that we're not? Are we just being trained to be keyboard
bound salary slaves for them?
\_ NetApp is founded by a couple of berkeley guys. The stock
think of offhand are Cisco and Yahoo. --dim
rocks BTW.
\_What's the ticker. I find no such stock in symbol
lookup. -ulysses
\_ NTAP (Network Appliance is the full name)
\_ Ever hear of Sun? Apple? The only Stanford companies I can
\_ SUN = "Stanford University Network". It was
founded by 3 stanfurdites who then brought in
Bill Joy from UCB and gave him co-founder status.
\_ Apple was founded by college dropouts. Woz didn't
get his degree from UCB until the late 80's.
think of offhand are Cisco and Yahoo. Oh, and if your trollish
^^^^^
\_ A big chunk of it is owned by Softbank, started by
a Berkeley grad.
statement is true, I would argue it has more to do with the
environment of Stanford students independent of their choice of
education (much like USC). That is, $$$ breeds $$$. --dim
\_ Add Inktomi and http://sendmail.com to the UCB list.
\_ http://sendmail.com? Ex-employee != Cal grad. sendmail isn't
\_ Eric Allman got his Masters in CS
from UCB in 1980. Sounds like a
grad to me.
\_ He wasn't a recent grad. Brand
new spanking fresh Stanford grads are
starting up companies all over the SV
and Cal grads are doing shit. Someone
who graduated before some of you were
born is not a new grad and was from a
totally different world anyway. Even
granting sendmail as a Cal started
company, it's still only one pathetic
company that isn't going anywhere.
\_ Who cares about puny new
companies that will probably
fail? That's why I mentioned
the big ones. --dim
a SV company. It's a BA company, yes, but not SV and
not founded by a RCG like many Farm new grads are doing.
\_ You joking? There's *thousands* of SV companies big and small
and you can only think of a few of the obvious big ones?
\_ [spam from dim purged for ignorance and zero value content]
\_ I'd have to agree with this. The few Stanfurd classes I have
taken really do emphasize managing the knowledge you're given to
start up a company of your own someday. Plus Stanfurd is more
preppy in general and less focussed on crusading and more on real-
world capitalism. |
| 1999/3/31-4/1 [Academia/StanfUrd] UID:15674 Activity:very high |
3/31 A related question about Haas. How is the MBA program? Anybody
on soda in the program? I guess I'm looking for personal opinions
rather than "Haas ranked number 10 in such and such magazine". Any
comments on the people, professors, or classes? Of course Stanford
MBA is still my #1 choice. But I need to have a plan B.
\_ I know you are not looking for standard rankings, but the
latest US News has one.
\_ well, hello there, tawei.
\_ hello to you too. Care to comment on Haas MBA?
\_"Of course Stanford MBA is still my #1
choice. But I need to have a plan B."
So modest. Like we needed to know this. It's
bullshit like this that I hate, tawei. Just go
to Stanford, already, and leave the rest of us
alone. |
| 1999/3/22-23 [Academia/StanfUrd] UID:15625 Activity:moderate 77%like:15634 |
3/22 The world would be a better place if we were all a little more
like psb. This is truth: meditate upon it now.
Anyone willing to drive down to Stanford on Wednesday? Andrew
Wiles is giving a lecture there at 7:00pm. Me and a friend of
mine would love to tag along :). -- ilyas
\-whos is the target audience of the lecture. where is it at?--psb
\-general audience. Some auditorium (I don't remember, but
the brochure is around the CSUA office). Tickets are $8.50,
I think. -- ilyas. |
| 1999/3/11 [Academia/StanfUrd] UID:15579 Activity:kinda low |
3/9 What is this srp thing at Stanford about?
\_ http://srp.stanford.edu/srp
\_ I saw the URL, but I don't understand what it is.
Can someone explain?
\_ SRP is a protocol for logging into a computer remotely
without giving away any information about your password
to people snooping the network. This is harder than it
sounds; see the URL above for details. |
| 1999/1/6 [Computer/SW/Security, Academia/StanfUrd] UID:15177 Activity:nil |
1/5 From http://www.finjan.com/wsj2.cfm about the Excel security hole: "We think this is probably the biggest security hole in Internet history," said Bill Lyons, Finjan's chief executive officer. "Any student at Stanford could exploit it." Yup! Only M$ is dumb enough to have created such a huge security hole that even Stanfurd students can exploit it. :-) |
| 1998/12/2-4 [Academia/StanfUrd] UID:15059 Activity:high |
12/2 What is more difficult, taking classes through SITN (SCPD) or formally
applying for it (then eventually, take classes as a real student)?
\_ The process of applying is definitely a lot more difficult than
just taking NDO. You still need 3 letters of rec (2 must be from
professors who know you well), you still need to take GRE, and
you still need to write a Statement of Purpose.
up units. Since it's just a master's I don't think it's a big
deal. With Cal grades I'm not going to chance trying to get
in the real way. -brain
\_ Huh?
\_ What, you've never heard of sitn ans scpd. They're quite
promulent words.
\_ I hear getting into HCP is a total breeze. Start on NDO and build
up units. Since it's just a master's I don't think it's a big deal
deal. With Cal grades I'm not going to chance trying to get in the
real way. -brain
\_Yermom lets me in the real way.
\_ what does SITN (SCPD), HCP, and NDO stand for?
\_ If you have to ask, you don't know.
\_ they're all stanford acronyms. Stanford Instructional Television
Network, Stanford Center for Professional Development,
Non Degree Option, Honors Cooperative Program. They're all ways
to get your company to pay for your Master's degree. |
| 1998/11/22-24 [Politics/Domestic/HateGroups, Academia/StanfUrd] UID:14992 Activity:nil |
11/21 Put in Clemmins!
\_ you know, that game was the first time i had ever seen a school's
marching band look like the ku klux klan. now we know what
stanford is all about.
\_ yeah, he's 2-12 for 2 yards, the solution to our offensive
woes! -tom |
| 1998/10/29-31 [Academia/StanfUrd] UID:14853 Activity:moderate |
10/28 The "Tree" from Stanford sounds like a complete idiot. Thanks for
your deep insights -- you sure do put Cal students to shame.
"It has come to my attention that perhaps our friends at Cal have
a limited understanding of the organic world," Henderson said in
his statement. "It seems that they mistakenly believe they have
stolen a living thing. This is not the case. The Tree costume is
an inanimate object. It does not move; it does not think; it does
not write letters, especially letters which deprecate Stanford.
"Stop talking to a pile of fabric and show a little backbone.
Currently, there is some debate over whether stealing the costume
is a misdemeanor or a felony. I assure you that kidnapping the
real Tree is a federal offense. This is called Big Game for a
reason. Get big. Get me."
-- Chris Henderson, The Stanford Daily, 10/28/98
\_ What is the incident that the article is referring to?
\_ Supposedly some Cal person stole the tree costume and is
holding it hostage. Robert Berdahl has given an ultimatum
that if it isn't returned, no Oskie at Cal football games.
\_ The stealing of the Stanford Tree costume by some Cal
students dubbed "The Phoenix Five." Are you not on campus?
\_ Actually, no, I'm not on campus. I graduated 5 years ago.
Gotta keep up with campus news more often.
\_ Berdahl is banning Oski from the big game as a result.
BTW, why is it that Stanford has a tree running around
the games when its mascot is actually a cardinal.
Wouldn't it make more sense to have a big red bird (or
a high ranking priest) on the sidelines?
\_ the mascot is "cardinal", the color, not the bird
or the cleric. The tree is the mascot of the
(extroadinarily lame) band. -tom
\_ Well they could have a guy dressed in a red blob
\_ Isn't it because Stanford is in Palo Alto,
which means "tall tree" in Spanish?
\_ there was some stupid tree on campus
that got cut down. it's in their logo,
too. -tom
\_ funny, I thought it meant "tall hill"
\_ Nah, it means "High Stick". They were
named by Spanish hockey fans.
\_ I dunno, I took french in high school,
but growing up in the area, I thought
that's what they taught us about Palo
Alto. There was something dealing with
a tree and that city.
\_ The Phoenix Five said they'd return the Tree
before the Big Game, so Oski will get to
appear. However because the Tree wasn't
returned by yesterday midnight's deadline, Oski
is banned from the Oregon St. game this
Saturday. Big deal.
\_ Return the tree, already. It is just a pile of fabric, and it
belongs to someone else.
\_ Yeah, and the Axe is just another tool to chop trees with. |
| 1998/6/23-26 [Academia/StanfUrd] UID:14237 Activity:moderate |
6/23 Why doesn't berkeley have a class A network? (geek question)
-csua geek
\_ Because we don't rule as much as MIT?
\_ Because we don't need one and they're reserved for places that do?
(Not that Class A/B/C mean much in these days of classless routing)
\_ Don't inferior schools like UCLA, Michigan State, and
that farm school down there have one?
\_ no. see whois -h http://whois.arin.net [1-126].0.0.0
\_ I got University of Southern Cal for 2,5, and 10.
Didn't bother to try out all 126 though.
\_ 127 & 224 too! Those IANA address pigs!
\_ Also 1 !
\_ And yer a twink. thats IANA, not USC. It just happens
that ISI manages the IANA reserved addresses, and they
are headquartered at USC.
\_That IANA went past my terminal.
- twink
\_ 10.x.x.x is the old arpanet backbone, now reserved
for people to use behind firewalls
\_ that farm school used to run what is now InterNIC
and got to decide who got what addresses
\_ Because we never believed in wasting IP space?
\_ We used to, but those with Class A's were asked to evaluate
their need for one and UCB decided they didnt need a full A
\_ Really? What was it?
MIT is 18.*, Stanford is 36.*
\_ Those damn bastards. It should be [1-126].0.0.0 Berkeley.
-muchandr |
| 1998/6/15-16 [Academia/StanfUrd] UID:14218 Activity:high |
6/15 My little brother got into Cal and Stanford, can you guys tell us
pros and cons of your personal experience? Thanks.
\_ Who will be paying for the schooling and what sorts of majors
is he considering? --dim
\_ If you can afford it and are white (or Asian), I would recommend
Stanford because it's more prestigious, less competitive... that
\_ Berkeley's 3.5 GPA equivalent to Stanford's 4.0.
Most Berkeley grads who got 3.5+ got 4.0 in Stanford's
means you'll probably have a higher GPA and will be more attractive
to grad schools and employers.
\_ If he's ever planning to work in Europe, Berkeley.
Nobody here's ever heard of Stanford. Seriously. -John
\_ Berkeley's 3.5 GPA = Stanford's 4.0.
Most Berkeley undergrads who got 3.5+ got 4.0 in Stanford's
grad program. You draw the conclusion.
\_ URL to prove this fact?????
\_ I once spoke to a professor, and he does factor in
inflated Stanfurd grades while going through grad
applications.
\_ umm, grad school GPAs are higher everywhere
\_ weather is much nicer in berkeley
\_ If you want a challenging environment to prepare yourself for the
real world, go to Berkeley.
\_ If you want to learn how truly cruel and inhumane
bureacracy can be, go to Berkeley and join the rest of
the undergrad herd.
Moooooo!
\_ I dunno about you, but I feel far more prepared to face
"real world" assholes than some candy-assed spoiled
Stanford grad. -John
\_ i agree. if you want to be challenged come to berkeley. Be
prepared to compete in a cut-throat environment and be
treated like shit. Because the real world is EXACTLY like that.
Go to stanford if you're WEAK and need the extra attention from
TAs/profs/etc.
\_ Give me a break. I don't know about Stanford because I spent
both my under and grad years at Berkeley, and I know Berkeley is
full of the product of fine American high schools and competition
is almost nonexistent.
\_ Easy choice. Go wherever the chics are. Go Bruins!!! Cal SUX!!!
\_ Or go where the winning sports teams are. Enjoy the NCAA
basketball tournament next year and root for the Card.
\_ Aren't you supposed to decide which college to go to by May 1? |
| 1998/5/7 [Academia/Berkeley, Academia/StanfUrd] UID:14067 Activity:high 66%like:14047 |
5/6 Who won the College Jeopardy?
\_ watch next week and find out
\_ Is it true that Jeopardy contestants get all the questions and
answers (or just categories) beforehand, in the form of a huge
book, much like those 5000 SAT Vocabulary Words books?
\_ More or less, YES. They tell you the category, some
specific fields to study, etc. Think of the movie
"The Game Show" but they give you A LOT of answers.
\_ I was on College Jeopardy from Berkeley back in 1993 and I
can tell you that you are totally wrong! They NEVER gave
us the categories before we walked up to those leturns and
started taping. They did tell us in the interviews that
we might want to study "college oriented areas" like pop
music, colleges, films, and current events. But they
never told us, "You will need to study Black history and
Architecture and British Lit." In all fairness though, I
was a chem major then and I did get a Chem Lab category.
--thomjeff
\_ The guy from Harvey Mudd wins it. Beats U of Alabama and MIT.
\_ Mudd geeks rewl. -tom
Gotta wtch tomorrow to see the Stanford chick get booed and
razzed by the audience. Alex had to plead for the audience
to let up on her. Beautiful.
\_ Beautiful? Try childish.
\_ Childish? Try GET A SENSE OF HUMOR YOU BRAINDEAD GEEK! It's
people like you who ought to have termites unleashed into
your rectum to eat up all the sticks that are stuck up there
your (collective) rectum to eat up all the sticks that
have gotten STUCK UP YOUR ASS
\_ That's funny! |
| 1998/3/18-19 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd, Academia/StanfUrd] UID:13831 Activity:moderate |
3/18 Anyone have a working Sparc 1+ keyboard that I can have?
It's for a University machine. --PeterM
\_ The Univeristy treated me like dirt, why should I donate anything
back? Long lines, redbook, frustration, impersonal professors, you
name it. If I'm going to donate, I'd rather donate to Stanford,
where my future kids would have much more creative opportunities. -FU
\_ strong words from someone who is still using University
resources after graduating. I'll see what I can do about
garnering a keyboard for a Sparc 1+, but don't hold your
breath as surplus keyboards have a short half-life. -mel
\_ One's use of University resources has no bearing on how one
might feel after being properly abused at Cal. Should this
person be grateful for their suffering at Cal because after
wards, they have access to the soda motd?
\_ Actually, "this person" should be taken out into the
street and beaten to death for being a fucking whiner.
I enjoyed my time spent at Cal and appreciate the
education I received there. I don't feel like I was
particularly abused, exploited, or forced to suffer;
maybe "FU" was exposed to "real life" for once and
mistook it for "suffering" (and yes, I got my degree in
EECS, not holistic basketweaving, or business, or
something like that . . . )
\_ Actually, I don't mind donating to CSUA-- the only worthwhile
donation for Cal -FU
\_ Fuck you, Mel, you little greasy prick. |
| 1996/9/29 [Recreation/Sports, Academia/StanfUrd] UID:31905 Activity:nil |
9/28 Anyone have a ticket to the Cal/Stanford football game? -gong |
| 5/17 |