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| 2011/12/20-2012/2/6 [Academia/GradSchool/MBA, Academia/GradSchool] UID:54267 Activity:nil |
12/20 Question to people in industry: I'm a transfer student, which
means I can take an extra semester to graduate. I will have met
all the requirements to graduate in May, but already have an
internship lined up for the summer and was planning to use the
semester afterward to take some courses I haven't had a chance
to yet (graphics, distributed systems (if they add the course),
grad-level networks or security). I'm not sure if it would be
worth the time/money to stay another semester, though, and am
wondering if I should just apply for full-time jobs now and not
worry about doing another internship/semester. Thoughts?
\_ It won't affect your job prospects. If you'd enjoy another semester
in school, take another semester; if not, don't.
\_ You will make more money over the course of your career
by going to work now, if that is the question. Is there
any chance that later on you will get a MS or MBA?
\_ The question is whether it's worth going to work 6 months
later in order to take a few classes which interest me,
but may not be relevant in the long run. I would like to get a
MS at some point. What difference does that make here?
\_ It is certainly not "worth it" if you just want to maximize
lifetime income. Taking a few more classes won't make you
any money, but working another six months certainly will.
If you are trying to decide life satisfaction vs the money,
it really depends on how much you enjoy school. I have
enjoyed working more than being a full time student. YMMV.
If you plan to get an MS, you will probably be more attractive
to graduate programs with the extra coursework and might
even be able to get more out of the MS, so that should be
a consideration.
\_ you'll always find ways to make more money in your lifetime
but there will not be many opportunities to take classes
from a really great university. Chances are, when you start
working, you will be too busy to want to take any new class.
\_ Agreed. I graduated two decades ago with honor (which already
meant a broader list of courses) without taking 184 (Graphics),
188 (AI), or 268 (Networking). Now I wish I took those courses.
--- !OP
\_ Why do you wish you took them?
\_ Because now I feel that there are holes in my CS education.
When
When people talk about these areas, I feel bad that I don't
know anything even though I graduated from a prestigious
university. AI may be obscure all right, but graphics and
networking are common.
\_ Just read books and stuff. Sheesh.
\- your brain size has been classified as: small |
| 2010/7/21-8/9 [Academia/GradSchool/MBA, Computer/SW/OS] UID:53891 Activity:nil |
7/21 "How to Upgrade an Old Phone into a Porsche"
http://www.csua.org (finance.yahoo.com)
"Ortiz spends five to six hours each day searching Craigslist for the
right kind of swaps. Over the last two years and 14 trades ......"
If he just got a job and work five to six hours each day for two
years, he would probably have earned more than enough money to buy the
10-yr-old Porsche anyway. (http://www.kbb.com says it's worth ~$9-12k
depending on options and conditions.)
"Harvard Business School, watch out for this guy."
Indeed. Watch our for this guy and don't admit him, since he thought
he made some quick bucks while he actually worked below minimum wage.
\_ people like that should be drafted and sent to afghanistan
\_ That's how we got Milo Minderbinder. |
| 11/23 |
| 2010/4/21-5/10 [Academia/GradSchool/MBA] UID:53795 Activity:nil |
4/21 The previous Executive Assistant in my small start-up company had an
MBA. The current one has a Master's in Mass Communication. Is the
job market really that grim such that these over-qualifying people had
to work office jobs?
\_ How old were they? Were these entry-level jobs?
\_ They are about 25-30. I don't think you need a Master's degree
to book air tickets and hotel rooms for the CEO.
\_ MBA and master's degree doesn't automatically make you
overqualified. Plus, it may not have been a question of
"had to". A lot of my b-school classmates went on to do
seemingly irrational things for whatever peculiar reasons
they had. -John
\_ True, but having access to the CEO can be good for your
career. A know a lot of people with MBAs who didn't get
great jobs for a few years out of school, especially
if they were inexperienced and the MBA wasn't from Harvard. |
| 2008/10/22-27 [Academia/GradSchool/MBA, Computer/Rants] UID:51633 Activity:nil |
10/22 Ballmer is a genius:
http://www.usatoday.com/money/companies/management/2007-04-29-ballmer-ceo-forum-usat_N.htm
\_ He's got a genius for being a douchebag. |
| 2006/11/6-7 [Academia/GradSchool/MBA, Academia/GradSchool] UID:45180 Activity:moderate |
11/5 Anyone here get an MS in CS? Did it help your career advancement
or earnings? Do you wish you would've gotten a different MS
degree instead? Was it worth the time and expense?
\_ I was working on a MS in EECS when I went to a law school open
house for the free pizza. Switching to ls has been the best
decision I have ever made. My starting salary (w/o bonus) is
1.5-2x what I could have made as an engineer w/ a MS. [ I know
that you asked wrt another MS degree, but if you are considering
grad school, I think you should keep an open mind re the subject ]
\_ Well, assuming you could make $150K with the MS, are you
saying you are *starting* at $200+K, because I find that hard
to believe. If true, maybe we're all in the wrong field.
Also, did you go to a top-ranked law school? What about the
loss of earnings while going to law school? Most of the
better ones are full-time, unlike, say, MS EECS.
\_ $150K w/ a MS EECS? I think you are overestimating the
starting salary for a MS EECS. I'd say it was closer
to $100K (at least that is what we would offer to new
hires w/ a MS EECS).
Re loss of earnings: You can do part-time at many ls.
I worked part-time as an engineer and did school full
time to avoid loosing money. Its harder but at least
I'm graduating w/o any debt.
Re top rated law school: I went to a mediocre ls, but
I was near the top of my class and I went into patent
work (which pays more than say a DA or transactional
work b/c of the initial burden). The salary is even
higher if you were to go to a really good ls. The main
problem is that you have to deal w/ a lot of jackasses.
work). The salary is even higher if you were to go to
a really good ls. The main problem w/ the law is that
you have to deal w/ a lot of jackasses.
\- so how annoying are the legal people? ... like
annoying face to face or keep you up at night
grinding your teeth annoying? also do you think
this is just the personality of some of the people
in the field or a product of the nature of the
field ... e.g. rather than cooperating to find an
efficient solution, people pointlessly being
difficult, or shoudl i say dillatory, just to
be a pain in the ass and raise costs to the other
side.
\_ Some are keep you up at night grinding your
teeth annoying, some are just annoying in
that the way they practice law is to be as
difficult as possible on every single thing.
I think that the profession attracts people
who are agressive and egotistical and rewards
that type of behavior in many cases.
\_ I didn't say *starting* salary for a MS EECS. If you
meant that, I apologize. I took "what you could make"
to mean "what you could make" and not "what you would
start out at with no experience".
\_ Sorry, I misunderstood. I agree that you might be
able to make ~ $135-$150K w/ MS EECS + experience.
But that is about as high as I've seen people go
(principal engineer, sr. staff eng., &c.). In
comparison, $135-$150K is what one makes right out
of LS and it keeps going up after that. Even if
you decide to not work at a firm and go to work in
gc's office of a decent sized co. you will be making
approx. what a sr. staff makes but w/ 9-5 hrs.
\_ Don't IP lawyers make quite a bit more money than
your average corporate law drone?
\_ Corporate law drones may make less than
the number above, but if you already have
a BS EECS, why would you do anything but
IP (Patent) Law?
Not all IP Law pays as well as Patent.
Trademark, for instance, pays somewhat
less and there isn't as much job security.
Copyright is okay, but you pretty much
have to live in LA or NYC to get really
good work.
\_ The range I gave above, is for patent
work. Sorry for not making that clear.
You are right, not everything pays as
well as patent work. Copyright, Trademark
and IP licensing (all "IP"), pay a little
big less.
bit less.
Corporate can pay the same as patent, but
it really depends on how well you did in
school and whether corporate law is in
vouge when you graduate. There are lots of
of other practice areas that pay less than
being an engineer (Crim, Transactional,
Estate Planning, Family Law, Real Estate,
Civil Rights, &c.), but if you have a BS
in EECS, there isn't really a financial
reason to go into something other than
patent/copyright practice.
\_ Does a phd give you a bump in pay as a
patent lawyer straight out of school?
\_ Depends on the field. PhD in any
pharma related subject (o-chem,
immunology, &c) can give you a $10K
or more edge. In EECS, materials,
&c. I don't think so.
\_ $140K right out of law school? That seems high
compared to the salary calculators on the web,
unless you went to Harvard Law. What about law
school vs. MBA?
\_ I don't know what the salary calculator say
but this is the starting rate at most reasonable
sized firms in the Bay Area and NYC.
\_ Please see above. The number I gave was for
patent work. I'm guessing the salary calc.
are based more on general practice at mid-
to large sized firms, which doesn't really
pay as well.
\_ I'm in business school but will probably make <= when I
graduate. I was making $87k + ~$10k bonus/stock before I went back
to school. But I'm getting my MBA b/c I don't want to be an
engineer anymore. What's the ROI/payback of my MBA? I don't know,
I could probably have transitioned into business at my old job,
but getting the MBA is more general and involves more drinking. |
| 2005/11/22-24 [Academia/GradSchool/MBA] UID:40698 Activity:moderate |
11/22 Any CSUAers ever apply or go to business school? I'm thinking about
applying, and just wanted to see how common/rare that was for CSUA
members.
\_ I know vallard did. -jrleek
\_ Yeah, I did. Going to NYU right now. Seems like more than a
quarter of the people are engineers of some sorts. --vallard
\_ randal's currently at Haas.
\_ I'm cross-registering at Sloan and finding it to be
a very worthwhile. --darin
very worthwhile. --darin
\_ hm, I'm considering applying in fall myself ... - rory
\_ I'm applying to INSEAD for 2007--there are a lot of tech guys doing
MBAs, who want to go beyond pure operations or development-type
jobs. -John
\- oh i have some associate who teach there. i will have them
crush you. why dont you go the the university of opus dei?
\_ I, too, have some associates who teach there, and they
will crush your associates (strange hairy hiker geeks who
practice the janitorial arts do not count as associates,
by the way.) -John
\_ I heard the best combo of degrees is a BS in CS or EECS from
Cal/Stanfraud/whatever plus an MBA from MIT. |
| 2005/8/21-22 [Academia/GradSchool/MBA, Academia/GradSchool] UID:39204 Activity:high |
8/20 Say I want to score well in GRE test (just general test) and have some
time to study. Should I consider enrolling in one of those Kaplan
courses? (either classroom or web based)?
\_ Get the Kaplan CD.
\_ computer practice exam is good.
\_ It depends how well you do on these tests already and what score
you'll need for your target school. If you want a top notch
school with a 99th percentile rank, it is extremely unlikely you'll
get that sort of score without the in person class and taking and
retaking the zillions of tests on file in the Kaplan library. If
you just want to get into any random second tier school, buy the
CD for some practice. Third tier? Spend the CD money on beer
the night before the test.
\_ I think the key thing the op is looking for is FULFILLMENT.
I thought the exact same way you did. I graduated in the
mid 90s and joined the dot-com crowd with my friends. I
did ok, but I didn't feel fulfilled. It was fun writing
code, designing apps, writing backends, and the pay and
stock options were awsome but I really didn't feel like
I made a difference in people's lives. I worked for 6 years
in the industry, started as QA->code monkey->project lead
and even did 6 months as a PM. I think it all depends on
the attitude and what your goals and priorities in life are.
Most of my friends just wanted to make big money and
retire, and two did exactly that. Many are now 30s, have
kids, have a house, and have a big ass mortgage to pay.
There is one I know who is depressed because of his
sense of feeling "stuck." There were obviously a few
who went back to law school and one even did a joint
law/MBA (he is a 3.98 Cal guy), and took up jobs
that they thought more more suitable to their needs. When
I talk to them, yes, they were glad to give up a few years
of their lives to attain something they could never get
anywhere else. What that 'something' is, depends on who
you are and what makes you happy.
\_ Bullshit. I got only ok scores when I took a practice test,
used the Kaplan CD to study for a couple months, then took the
real thing and got excellent scores, and got into a 1st tier
school. The class may be useful if you have no self-discipline
and can't motivate yourself to study every night on your own, but
if that's the case grad school is a bad idea anyway.
\_ Yes, my general advice is BS next to your personal anecdote.
Congratulations on getting into grad school despite using a
lesser study method.
\_ [idiotic response self-censored by poster]
\_ Depends on who you are I guess. I got a 99% with no study.
\_ I taught Princeton Review(TPR), and I took the test on my own
before that and scored excellently. A couple comments: 1) Figure
out where you're at, and where you want to be, then decide.
2) TPR, and to a lesser extent, Kaplan, _will_ raise your score
with the work put in correctly. 3) working from home will also
raise your score. 4) The former is likely to be more effective,
if your score needs a lot of raising _and_ you put in the full
amount of time(and more) that the course guidelines suggest.
5) Raising your score on these is all about prep work and practice,
contrary to the definition of aptitude tests. oh, and 6) TPR is
definitely better than Kaplan. I started Kaplan training, too.
There's an immense difference. Also, within TPR, there's an
immense difference among their teachers. Talk to the TPR center
and see if you can find their best(star) teacher to take the
course from if you decide to do it.
\_ I'd recommend Princeton Review any day over Kaplan. I used
to work for Kaplan, and they are an evil company. All they
care about is profit, and their products suffer because of
it.
\_ Does TPR have some sort of self-study equivalent to their
classroom courses (i.e. not just a study book?) I'd like to
take the GMAT in a bit, but am unlikely to find a good
classroom review course where I'm at next year. -John
\_ http://csua.org/u/d40
they have online classes. I can't vouch for them, though
I'd still personally go for them over Kaplan based on
my experience with Kaplan. -sax
\_ Are there any evaluation tests that can estimate how well
one would do on GMAT? I bought this GMAT book and tried
2 sample tests. Out of the 7 sections of the tests, I
get like 1-2 wrongs on some sections, and 4-5 on others.
Each section has around 21 questions. The book's
analysis rated me as good on some sections, and
excellent on others, but that doesn't really mean
anything to me. |
| 2004/12/3-5 [Academia/StanfUrd, Academia/GradSchool/MBA] UID:35167 Activity:nil |
12/3 How "good" is an MBA from Sloan (MIT)? Is it comparable with
an MBA from, say, Stanford, Wharton, or Harvard?
\_ Very well respected, yes. |
| 2004/8/17-18 [Academia/GradSchool/MBA, Industry/Jobs] UID:32969 Activity:insanely high |
8/17 So apropos of the discussion below, do people here think it is
dishonest to leave a degree *off* of a resume, i.e. a phd?
\_ Dishonest? Yes. Does it matter as long as you don't later come
back and ask for better money/title/position/work/etc based on
it? No. I've dropped all the one-off contract jobs from my
resume. Am I dishonest? For the next rewrite I'm going to
drop anything more than 10 years old. Is that dishonest? I
don't remember the titles I had at 2 places so I made one up
that fit what I did. Dishonest? It's just a resume. If you
can't do the job, they'll fire you later. If you can, then so
what? The only place I'd give a full and complete disclosure
is for a security government or financial job where they'll do
a very deep background check and find out everything anyway. As
some random staff techie at a non-security job? Fuck it. Do
whatever you can to improve your chances without adding things
that aren't true.
\_ The day corporations do full disclosure of all their warts
in their offer letter, you might have a case.
\_ No.
\_ Yes, because I will not be happy if I find out the person is
a liar. Lying to your new boss before you even meet him/her is
lame. Find a job that fits you and don't waste my time.
\_ How is replacing phd with MS + 3 years research experience
a lie? Obviously if someone asks what education I have,
I'll say, I'm just talking about what goes on the resume.
Is it dishonest to leave information about one's military
career off of a resume for a programming job? where do
you draw the line?
\_ Why would you even want to leave out a PhD?
\_ Ph.D.'s cost more, and the company might have a bunch
of non-productive degree holders who might bias the hirer
-!op
\_ Why don't you just say you won't demand higher
pay? It's not a good idea to start off lying
to a potential future employer. Even if it is
a lie by omission.
\_ My buddy who has a U. of Chicago law degree
omitted this on his Best Buy application. He's
been working there for almost three years (not
as a corporate guy, but the lowly guys who
help customers with advice). -!op
\_ 1. He's clearly an idiot. 2. He's not
seriously cultivating a career at Best
Buy, is he? If not, then it does not
matter.
\_ In case you didn't get it, this is one
example where it makes sense not to list
a degree -- when it has no relevance to
the position you are applying for
(assuming the lack of any instruction
to list all educational history).
\_ In case *you* didn't get it, Best
Buy is not exactly pertinent to his
career, so what does it matter if
he pisses his boss off or gets
fired? It's not that it makes sense
to omit it. It's that it won't
matter either way.
\_ Maybe it is his career. Maybe he
enjoys what he does and intendeds
to continue.
\_ Listing "+ 3 years research" is questionable if it's what's
led to your Ph.D.
\_ A lot of people would argue that it is not even a lie of
omission, unless HR specifically asks you to list all educational
background. Same goes for previous jobs.
Obviously we disagree: you think you're right, I think I'm
right.
\_ As someone in a position to hire, I will tell you that
I wouldn't like it. You can think you are right all you
want.
\_ Actually, I disagree with you on whether it's a lie of
omission (I say it isn't, and I still think you're wrong
about this), but I agree with you on not
liking it: As someone in a position to hire, I wouldn't
like applicants omitting a Ph.D. if they got one.
To summarize: It's not dishonest, as I originally
said, but your employer probably won't like it.
Part Deux: Be careful how easily you throw around the
label "liar". I wouldn't want to work with someone who
thought like that, but that's just an IMO.
\_ based on all the other stuff that gets posted to the
motd, what are the chances you want to work with
anyone on the motd anyway?
\_ why not? this is all bullshit and venting. do you
think any of these people are *really* like this?
\_ That the motd is a more insulated way to
communicate (i.e. you aren't risking a punch in
the face) does not excuse being a complete
asshole. People who are assholes on the motd
are either
(a) assholes in real life or
(b) too cowardly to be assholes in real life like
they are on the motd.
Either way, would you want to work with them, or
indeed spend any time with them? -- ilyas
\_ yea, whatever, all the ceos are liars anyway.
\_ but they have the hiring money and you don't.
\_ how do you think they become ceos in the first
place?
\_ they all lie on their resumes! of course!
none of them went to a pricey mba school after
clawing their way up the corporate ladder and
destroying the careers of dozens of others on
their way to the top! nononono, they simply
wrote some random shit up on their resume that
no one would check like "senior vp, ibm sales,
world wide, 1987-1996" and bingo! Profit!
\_ Have you read a quarterly report before?
Or go to a Q&A session following an
earnings announcement? It's all about
emphasizing strengths and hiding
weaknesses. Get real.
\_ So if I ask you some questions about your company
during the interview, will you tell the complete
truth and include all the things you hate about your
company?
\_ What the hell does this have to do anything? You
may as well lie and say you have 10 years designing
ASICs when you have 0, right? Why put your real
name on the application? Maybe you should omit your
prison record, too. This last one gets lots of
people fired.
\_ What does it have to do with anything? It tells
me that all the talk about honesty is full of
shit.
\_ Go ahead and omit your time in prison. Hey,
the corporation lies, too. Your ass will
still be fired for it.
\_ well, it hasn't. in fact, I am doing
really well. thanks for your concern
though, corporate dick sucker hypocrite.
\_ What were you imprisoned for?
\_ You lost me. What does the candidate lying about
his background have to do with the company employees
coming clean when asked about the company?
\_ Ask the person I was responding to. |
| 2004/5/15-17 [Academia/GradSchool/MBA] UID:30239 Activity:very high |
5/15 I am thinking of getting a MS-Finance (14 courses) with emphasis
on computational / modeling areas to complement my CS background
Has anyone had any school or work experience with this? Is it
a good idea? (note: not in bay area, so it's not a berkeley-
specific question)
\_ I thought it was MS Money
\_ No, but I am interested in finance, too. Which program are you
applying to? What will you be doing after graduation?
\_ I am working in the Chicago area and looking for a
part-time program so I don't have too many choices.
I have looked at U of Chicago part-time MBA and IIT
(Illinois Institute of Technology) MS-Finance. UofC
has a famous name but is expensive (company will
only pay part of it), takes longer, and requires
courses that I am not interested in. I am not too
sure what I will be doing, but preferably something
where a CS background and decent math foundation can
come into play. Don't mind doing investments either.
I have some experience with oracle financial and hyperion,
so with a MS-finance, it's probably easy to get a job
in corporate finance, but corporate finance bores me
to tears. My CS/engineering experience is in wireless
infrastructure, but this whole outsourcing thing kind
of spooked me, and I want to spread my bets a little.
What is your situation?
\_ Then don't look for an MBA. Get a masters in Mathematical
Finance or Financial Engineering. Dunno which schools in
Chicago area offer such degrees..
[useless troll deleted]
\_ What are the schools in the US that offer these
degrees?
\_ Lots of business schools, including Haas, see:
http://www.global-derivatives.com/schools/fin-rankings2003-04.php
\_ Thanks, that's very helpful! |
| 2003/12/1-2 [Academia/GradSchool/MBA, Academia/GradSchool] UID:11272 Activity:nil |
12/1 Anyone tired of coding? How long till you burnt out?
Any other alternative fields for you?
\_ Why are you sick of coding? Maybe you should try to get a tech
lead type job so you do more management than coding? Maybe
it is the job, do you think you'd enjoy coding more if you were
working for yourself/something you believe in? Other ideas are
try to get a producer/manager/marketing job in the software
industry. There is a serious shortage of good technical people
in those jobs and if you have to people skills to do a decent job
you will be in high demand. But if you just want out of tech, well
you can always go back to school and get a masters or PhD.
\_ as a grad student i can tell you right now that going back
to school just because you don't know what to do with your
life is a bad idea. as it happens, i *do* know why i'm here,
but those who don't tend to end up just as unhappy as they
were before, only with less money. grad school is for those
who *really* know what they like, not for those trying to
figure it out.
\_ True. I'm not advocating going back to school just because.
Although if you aren't sure a Masters program might be a
good way to tell.
\_ I dissagree. As a graduate student your mentors are
all people who think an academic career is a great idea
and who will try to convince you of this even if it's
not right for you. Even on full scholarship, the cost
in lost wages for a two years masters program would buy you
an awful lot in the real world if there's something
else more fulfilling you're missing out on.
Unless you already have pretty much made up your mind,
it's a bad idea to even fill out the goddamn application.
\_ Look, if there is something you've wanted to study
but didn't grad school is an option. It isn't for
everyone and you always have the option to drop
out if it is going badly. I'm just saying that
sometimes poeple don't even think about going
back to school to do something other than what they
decided on in their early twenties. People here
graduated from Cal and are smart and can go back
and learn something new and it will be obscenely
easy this time around. So you won't make that much
money for a few years, so what? Obviously money isn't
buying this guy much happiness as it is.
\_ I'm not claiming that money buys happiness, but
I will claim that fulfilling jobs tend to
pay well. An abrupt career change for a
successful but unhappy software guy is likely
to lead to something that pays enough to
own a home and start a family...unless he
decides to go to grad school. Obviously
the benefit of grad school exceeds the cost
for some people, but I am claiming that many
people underestimate the true cost.
\_ While some things (married/have kid/have house)
may make it harder to go back to school, they
can be worked around. However worrying about
the cost of being out of the workplace for
a few years seems counterproductive. A lot
of people find themselves hating coding because
they worried more about what paied well than
what they enjoyed. If you are youngish, have
been paied well for years (and should have some
savings) it really isn't an issue. Does a year
here or there really matter?
\_ fine. you've convinced me. i guess being
in a 5-6 year grad program distorts one's
perspective a bit.
\_ Well a phd is a lot more commitment than
a masters.
\_ Master's or PhD in *what*? History?
\_ Do you love history? Do you think you have what it takes to
get a job as a history prof/lecturer? Go for it. There are
of options outside of the tech field, they all have tradeoffs.
\_ The point here is that the typical tech guy is only going to
be able to get a PhD in a tech field without a *lot* of
additional schooling. Not so law school or MBA.
\_ Are you FUCKING NUTS? Are you saying a CS PhD requires
less schooling than an MBA? What color is the sky on
the planet you are from?
\_ I had to read it a couple times to parse, but I think
he was comparing a) PhD tech b) PhD nontech and c) MBA,
and saying a < b, and c < b. Or something.
\_ A CS PhD for a CS major is less additional schooling
than a history PhD for a CS major. JD and MBA are less
than both and probably as satisfying.
\_ Grad school pays more than unemployment. |
| 2003/9/11 [Academia/GradSchool/MBA] UID:10147 Activity:nil |
9/10 Can i buy PhD strips at a drugstore? if not then where?
\_ No, but I think Walgreen's sells MBA jerky (spicy and regular) |
| 2003/9/11 [Academia/GradSchool/MBA] UID:10144 Activity:kinda low |
9/10 Re: MBA thread below. I wanted to get an MBA a couple of years back.
I got all the applications and even visited a couple of schools. Then
I started reading books by successful businessman like Sam Walton,
Michael Dell, Andy Grove, etc. *NONE* of these men have MBAs. But
they're still very sucessful. That's when I had an epiphany:
Entreprenurial capitalism cannot be taught. It is the fire in the
belly that's either there or isn't there. Getting an MBA will help
you get a high paying job. But if you want to do something greater
like actually CREATE jobs for MBAs, you need to look deep inside and
see if you have the passion to sell. -self employed sodan
\_ You're right. Also, Bill Gates doesn't have any college degree. I
inadverdently started this religious war a while ago--my conclusion
is that, like all non-vocational schools (does med school count?)
it's not meant to teach you how to how to do a particular job, but
rather ought to give you some tools and resources to make your task
easier. The contacts one makes probably aren't bad either.
However, a lot of people on soda seem to have some religious
zealotry about any scholastic learning being evil--whatever.
Just inform yourself and do what's right for you. -John
rather ought to give you some tools and resources. The contacts
one makes probably aren't bad either. However, a lot of people on
soda seem to have some religious zealotry about learning anything
in a school being evil--whatever. Just inform yourself and decide
what's right for you. -John |
| 2003/7/14-15 [Academia/GradSchool/MBA, Academia/GradSchool] UID:29026 Activity:moderate |
7/13 Similar to the MBA post below, how useless is a MS in engineering?
If everyone has a HS degree and companies prefer HS or better, then
doesn't having a BS give you more advantage? By the same token,
if everyone has a BS degree (which is the case esp. in Silicon
Valley) and companies prefer BS or higher, then isn't it better
to have a MS degree? And by the same token, if MANY people in Silicon
Valley have a MS degree, isn't it better to have a PhD or at least
a MS degree?
\_ personally, I used MS degree as a way to change major, essentially.
Other than poor timing (i got my CS Masters at 2000 spring),
I actually think it's worth it, mainly because I like the subject.
For other who are thinking of getting a degree in the same subject
as your undergraduate, you really need to use your time wisely
during the 2 years in school. It is almost too short to get
much accomplished, and you kind of need to accomplish something
while you are in school to extract the most of the degree. This
means you need to be specific on what you want to do and work with
a professor in that subject beginning in the first semester.
\_ Depends on what you want to do and what your other skills are. If
you're trying to get by on a degree alone that won't cut it. You
*must* have many years of job experience today to get a decent job
no matter what academic paperwork you've got. Many places don't
care what you have as long as you have the minimum degree and then
they want lots of experience on top of it. More degree and less
experience isn't it most of the time. OTOH if you want to stay in
the ivory tower, you don't need any experience. Just keep racking
up theory classes and publish papers.
\_ companies don't prefer "BS or better". They want that as a prereq,
and then look at everything else. An MS might get edge you out over
someone else if you're close. Also, it might help you get a job that
they might not give to a BS at certain companies like Google or
Akamai.
\_ Google: be at One with the Net. Join the Google Cult today!
\_ Figure out how many other people in your field have MS and plan
accordingly. Be aware that if you're looking for entry-level
work (gods forbid), an MS may make you look overqualified.
work (gods forbid), an MS may make you look over qualified. |
| 2003/7/13 [Academia/GradSchool/MBA] UID:29022 Activity:high |
7/13 To the (thankfully deleted) MBA troll: I don't have anger management
issues. You're an idiot. Note subtle yet crucial difference. -John
\_ personally, I did not participate in the troll/flamewar, but
as a grad student in physics at a top school, i do not think you
can discount my freinds as idiots, and everyone i know has
complete contempt for MBAs, including faculty who've taught
them at the bschool. With a few notable exceptions, they are
backstabbing idiots. If you don't want to see people badmouth
MBAs, don't post about MBAs. You're whining will not make poeple
MBAs, don't post about MBAs. Your whining will not make poeple
start respecting MBAs.
\_ You are an idiot. I think people have contempt for those who
have an MBA and use that to mean something or to throw their
weight around when it's just a Master's degree. If you take it
at face value it's not bad to have. A lot of my coworkers have
advanced degrees in Physics, EE, Aerospace engineering, and
such and a lot of them later on got their MBA, too. One in
particular has a PhD in EE and two Master's degrees. He got an
MBA, too. Is he an idiot? The only idiot here is you, but I
attribute that to inexperience. The more you can educate
yourself the better. Even if MBA is about socializing that's
a good skill to have and management definitely appreciates the
effort. You'll probably get an MBA 15 years from now yourself.
\_ I find this whole thread quite entertaining. Let me give you all
a little wisdom that you may not understand right now but might
eventually get it in future. "Formal education will get you a
good job, self-education will make you rich." Entreprenurial
capitalism is not measured by the number of degrees you have, but
by how much passion and hard work you put into your ideas and your
company. The world's richest man is a college dropout. If you
want to help run a successful company and be on a salary and bonus
plan, then an MBA will get your there. But if you want to be
a "millionaire next door" (just like the book), don't get an
MBA, start your own business. Be passionate about selling your
dream. And don't ever give up. -self employed sodan |
| 2003/7/10-12 [Academia/GradSchool/MBA] UID:28999 Activity:high |
7/10 Can anyone recommend a good GMAT study guide? I'm thinking about
taking it but don't have the first idea of where to start. -John
\_ You want an MBA? Don't bother. The market is flooded.
\_ All the more reason to get one, no? Otherwise you will be
left behind.
\_ No, quite the opposite in this case. The point of an MBA
used to be that there were very few and getting one was
difficult and expensive and only the elite got them so it
had intrinsic value. Now that any prole can get one it
loses all value. It is not the same as a HS diploma or BA/BS
or whatever standard minimal degree is required today. Unless
you're already enrolled/halfway through or already have one
there's no point in thinking about it. You're too late to
that game.
\_ Duly noted, but there are other reasons for going to
business school than what everyone else is doing. So,
can anyone recommend a good GMAT study guide? -John
\_ Other reasons? Like you don't get anything from your
trust fund without another degree? What reasons?
\_ The kaplan book + CD was incredibly helpful for the GRE, and
\_ Have fun being a minimum wage reject, Naderite.
boosted my scores by *alot*. If I were to study for any other
standardized test, that's the first place I'd look now.
\_ Many thanks -John
\_ Have fun selling your soul, John.
\_ Nah, those days are over. I know a few MBAs and looked into it
myself. There's no money in a freshly minted MBA anymore. If
you had 10+ years of real world *business* experience and then
got an MBA then it'd be worth something maybe. John isn't
selling his soul, he's wasting his time and money. I was going
to do it about a year ago and it was a bad idea then.
\_ God how fucking THICK ARE YOU? I'm not selling my soul,
I'm not doing it to earn more fucking money, I'm thinking
about going to bus school to LEARN shit. I've spent the
last three years helping to put together a consulting
business, a large part of which consists of knowing how
to talk to our clients' senior management staff, and
anticipating what they think their needs are. Like it or
not, these people talk MBA, they do not talk "unemployed
slacker living in mom's garage", like you obviously would
like more people to. And sign your posts, you cretinous
ignorant poltroon. You are pathetic. -John
\_ Touchy. Ok, you're so smart so lemme learn ya sometin!
You don't learn shit getting an MBA. The purpose is to
meet people, make connections, etc. Sounds you're
doing just fine there thus you don't need an MBA. I
wish you well despite your ignorance and anger
management issues. At no time did I state or imply I
wish others to do poorly so it isn't all that obvious,
is it? I wish people would find the right thing to do
for themselves and do it, not mindlessly sign up for
now worthless MBA programs. |
| 2003/5/30 [Academia/GradSchool/MBA, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:28576 Activity:moderate |
5/29 Need resources on applying to bschool. Hints, advice, etc. ok thx
\_ Don't be lazy. Do your own research.
\_ this is what bschool is all about. someone on the motd will
do his research for him, he'll get into bschool, get an
MBA, and be hired at a fancy management consulting firm.
He will then give all of his consulting advice based on
responses to motd posts. In a couple of years, look for
fortune 500 companies to start using ED as their standard
text editor and giving huge campaign contributions to the
libertarian party.
\_ anonymous motd comic, is that you???
\_ nah, I was in meetings all day. sometimes a person just
doesn't get a chance to be around for these things. --amc
\_ perhaps "amc" should really stand for "anonymous motd
chorus." -mbamocker
\_ I'm willing to share. It's a self amusement thing,
not an ego thing. Feel free to sign off. --amc
\_ Don't be this guy: http://csua.org/u/328
\_ My coworker passed by him when we ran the Bay to Breakers.
Rather sucky story.
\_ bschool?
\_ Prolly, beeznus skool.
\_ hints, tips, advice: study hard for the test. there's nothing
intellectually difficult but there are types of problems you won't
find on other bubble tests. carefully research the schools you
might want to attend. it's all about who you'll meet and making
contacts. do *not* at anytime slack off with the belief that your
superior intelligence will get you through any part of the process.
it won't. keep in mind that MBAs aren't getting jobs now and most
never will. ask yourself why you'd spend that much money to get a
degree that won't be worth much when you graduate in 2-4 years. i
got as far as taking prep courses and taking the test. i did fine
on the test and the schools i was talking to said i'd almost
certainly get in but i never applied. definitely call the school
and establish a personal relationship with the people there. an
mba is the ultimate in the "who you know, not what you know" line
of thought. |
| 2002/12/5 [Transportation/Airplane, Academia/GradSchool/MBA] UID:26718 Activity:kinda low |
12/4 Get your ticket to heaven: http://www.ticket2heaven.com \_ I see all the failed dot-commers are starting to graduate from business school? -John |
| 2002/9/23-24 [Academia/GradSchool/MBA, Academia/GradSchool] UID:25980 Activity:high |
9/23 You're applying for your second PhD in B-school. It's mostly
because you didn't find a permanent job after two post docs in
your first field of choice. You think the PhD in org. management
is really interesting (no joke) and plus it might make you more
marketable than you currently are. Is there any decent way to
answer direct questions about 'why are you changing fields'
without sounding like a total loser? ps - he thinks with his
past work he is pretty competetive despite his failure to land
a job in his prev field. flame away and pls email if you wish,
thanks very much in advance for your advice, motdgods --hahnak
\_ why are you going for a PhD, as opposed to something less
time-consuming (and perhaps just as marketable) such as
an MBA?
\_ because he *likes* research. and bc he wants to stay
in research (academia -> professorship if all goes well)
hope this helps...
\_ my response depends on a PhD in what field. English literature?
Medieval music? French? Electrical engineering?
\_ his first was in physics this second one would be in
org. management. hope this helps
\_ in that case my response to your first is WHAT ARE YOU
STUPID? You asked for it. My second response is
What are you, stupid?
\_ why do you even bother posting? |
| 2002/9/12-13 [Academia/GradSchool/MBA, Industry/Startup] UID:25865 Activity:high |
9/12 What some ex-dot commers are doing:
http://www.fortune.com/indexw.jhtml?channel=artcol.jhtml&doc_id=209303
\_ What's really funny is that, bust or no, a lot of my fellow
contractor/consultant friends decide to drop out and do "hey-
I-have-a-life-to-lead" sort of things, like go learn a language
and grow wine or whatnot, even though they are thoroughly
employable, and could still be doing fairly lucrative consulting
work. Not many people I know who work for large organizations as
permanent employees take that option, usually because of some sort
of fear of the uncertain (these are generally single, young,
without kids, educated.) I wonder whether it just has something to
do with the way some people look at work (entrepreneurs vs.
employees) rather than "oh, he failed, now he's a slacker".) -John
\_ They _say_ they can be doing lots of exciting and well paid
things but _choose_ to grow wine and attend community college.
Sounds more like sour grapes to me. "I can be successful anytime
I want but I'm gunna grow grapes!"
\_ No, these are people who've turned down contract
extensions. Job situation in Europe isn't quite as bad as
it is here. Maybe just an early midlife crisis :) -John
\_ Jobs here aren't that bad, it just isn't as golden as
it used to be.
\_ That's nice to hear--most people I speak with give
me the impression that it's pretty grim, even for
high-end IT professionals. -John
\_ I like the guy who is going to Harvard Business School *after*
running his own company into the ground. Way to go! --dim
\_ Hey! He's got experience now!
\_ Yeah, so why go to Harvard? |
| 2002/8/14-15 [Academia/GradSchool/MBA, Academia/GradSchool] UID:25558 Activity:insanely high |
8/14 Stanford, MIT, and pretty much all the other UCs have a 1 year MS
program upon satisfactory completion of your EECS degree (and they
don't even have to take the GRE). How come Berkeley has no such
program? -junior/senior now regretting coming to Berkeley
\_ Because UCB doesn't give a shit about you at all and only 'teaches'
undergraduate courses because they're required to by the state?
\_ an MS program wouldn't involve undergraduate courses, twink. -tom
\_ Tom, do you have a masters degree from UCB, Stanford, or MIT?
Do you have a masters degree at all?
\_ Child, with your *B*A or *B*S you're _not_ a grad student and
they're not doing you any favors. UCB would do *only* PhD
research if they were allowed. MS would get fucked, too.
\_ What? NOW you notice?
\_ UCB sucks. plain and simple.
\_ you weren't forced to attend it asshole.
\_ Because Cal doesn't bother running vending machine MS programs to
make money.
\_ all the other schools, 1st tier or 2nd tier do it. Why not
Cal? Are they not doing it for the principle? Bull shit.
I'm a Cal student and I want my fuckin' easy MS degree
just like all the others.
\_ schools like these have thus devalued the MS degree,
just like the slew of 2nd rate business schools like
pepperdine pumping out thousands of MBAs a year have
devalued all but the 5 top MBA schools. -bhc
\_ Which are the top 5? Is Haas one of them?
\_ Haas isn't top 5 or even top 10. If all the other
schools devalue the BS/MS degree, then it is even
more important for Cal BS graduates to get an easy
MS degree. Cal SUCKS.
\_ you're a moron.
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/edu/grad/rankings/mba/brief/mbarank_brief.php
\_ as i told the guy above, why'd you
come then? were you not "smart"
enough to get into 'furd or mit?
\_ whether or not he's smart doesn't make
Cal a better school. If you were smart
enough to get into MIT or Stanford you
might know that instead of waving your
GO BEAR! flag around blindly.
\_ no. if cal is the best place
you could get into, then you
should be damn happy they
even accepted you, lest you
wanted to go to an even worse
school.
\_ I couldn't afford private school.
_/
untrue. You can keep telling it to yourself, though, if it makes
you fell better.
The point is that even the lesser schools have a MS program
\_ besides, it's generally accepted in the outside world that a
Cal BS is the equivalent of a 'furd MS. everybody knows it's
easy to get a second rate, add-On MS from those schools.
\_ I can't speak for CS, but in civil engineering, this is simply
untrue. You'll do fine with a Cal degree, FWIW, but the Stanford
kids take a fast track to the best stuff available. I never meet
any because they tend to be two or more strata above where I
and the rest of my state school fellows work. I'm not complaining
about it. It was what I found when I got out to the real world.
\_ Really? You mean there's no point for a Cal CS grad to get the
'furd MS degree?
\_ that's what your Cal advisor would tell you. They'd be wrong but
thats what they'd tell you...
\_ WRONG. A degree DOES mean something. It means a lot to stupid
recruiters. It means a lot to the real world. It means a lot
in the Silicon Valley-- "everyone has at least a MS in
Silicon Valley"
\_ As someone who actually has a bullshit vending machine MS degree
in CS from 'furd, it totally does make a significant difference
in the job market. Getting my MS at 'furd was the easiest year
of school I ever had. Spent most of my time hanging out at Fry's
and surfing pr0n. But it never fails to impress ppl when I tell
them I went to Cal AND Stanfurd. I've gotten big bonuses and
raises, have never been laid off. Made six-figs salary my 3rd
year out of school. One time a recruiter rewrote my resume so
that my education was at the very top. One of the best
investments I ever made.
\_ I was admitted to the full-time MSCS at 'furd nine years ago,
but I couldn't afford the tuition so I went to get a job
instead. Now I'm thinking about the HCP part-time MS. Do you
think having been admitted will give me an advantage when I
apply now?
\_ a degree isn't important when the market is good. But when it
sours and everyone who is competing for your job also has a
Furd/MIT/Cal BS degree, who is going to get more notice from
head hunters? A Cal BS guy with 10 years of experience or a
Furd BS/MS guy with 10 years of experience? If I were a
clueless headhunter, the answer would be obvious to me, and
if I were a clued headhunter, I wouldn't be one in the first
place. |
| 2002/1/17 [Academia/GradSchool/MBA, Academia/Berkeley/HKN] UID:23578 Activity:high |
1/16 How do you view grades? (your perspective on them)
\_ Like this:
A: opportunity to work in the industry or research.
More likely to go to grad school or get an MBA
B: coding monkey
C: sys admin
D: QA
F: flunk out, work in the industry and get rich. Hire a bunch
of people who got As, Bs, Cs, and Ds (Bill Gates).
\_ What drugs are you on? I want some! QA is QA because they
never went to school. Sysadmins get Bs because they take
classes they like but don't show up that much. Code monkeys
get Cs because they take classes they hate thinking they'll
be the next dotcom/netscape millionaire. Cal doesn't make
any MBAs. They all went to Stanford where _everyone_ gets
an A. And those who flunked out went to some JC and now
are assistant manager at some shoe store in the mall.
\_ gee, the Haas School of Business (one of the top 10
business schools in the country) would be surprised to
hear it doesn't make any MBA's. -tom
\_ Like this:
A: hard worker and big time ass kisser
B: hard worker -or- big time ass kisser
C: hard worker but Prof/TA/grader never sees student in class
D: hard worker but in wrong class, kissing ass to avoid F
F: just fucked
During my time in school I never noticed *any* correlation between
intellect and grades. The rest of life tends to reflect this also.
\_ If there were no such grades as A's and B's, then my report cards
would look pretty damn good.
\_ If you're not planning to go to grad school, focus on passing
\_ they give idiots a false sense of security when they get A's
(see hkn), and they give smart people a undeserved insecurities
(see nweaver, maybe).
\_ nweaver is a smart person?
\_ As a source of random bits slightly correlated with course
performance, and even more slightly correlated with
intelligence/clue. --HKN member and proud (and not because of
anything to do with grades or GPAs)
\_ Sign your name, alexf.
\_ Hi ilyas. That wasn't me. -alexf
\_ what would you estimate to be the correlation coefficient?
\_ From what I've seen in the EECS Dept, they're probably around
0.7 and 0.3, respectively. Of course, these are rough and
based on rather limited observations. Order of magnitude
seems about right though. -above poster
\_ Sign your name, alexf.
\_ See above.
\_ where can one find statistics about grades for uc berkeley?
\_ who cares. Most of the rich & infamous don't have good
grades-- Bill Gates, Ellison, W Bush, McNealy... the list
goes on and on. |
| 2002/1/3 [Academia/GradSchool/MBA] UID:23439 Activity:nil |
1/2 If I apply to a MS/MBA program, will I need to take both the GRE
and the GMAT?
\_ depends on school. But mostly yes. |
| 2001/7/18-19 [Academia/GradSchool/MBA, Academia/GradSchool] UID:21840 Activity:high 50%like:22540 50%like:22762 50%like:23518 |
7/18 How can I get into grad school?
- depressed undergrad going into last semester
\_ you sick fuck. why don't you to kossovo and have something
REAL to be depressed about. Fuck your angst. Maybe you
should have thought about this a year ago.
\_ Why you wanna go there? Apply to some whack school in England.
then come back here and people will be all like, wow, a Master's
from some school in England.
\_ ok, the above two posts are humorous, but I'm serious.
\_ ok you weasel, are your parents rich?
\_ more than our friends in Kossovo... but not enough to
buy me into grad school. But I did have to pay my
own way through undergrad and even took a year off
to work full-time... does that count for anything?
\_ [ note to motd editors, the following is not
kinneydirvel(tm). please don't delete it. ]
Work doesn't count for much for grad school unless
If you really want to get into grad school try a
second tier school
you worked on something outstanding (ex you worked
on BGPv4 for Procket under the direction of Tony Li).
If you really want to get into grad school here
are somethings you might want to try:
1. Get a good score on the general GRE (2200+) and
subject GRE (700+).
3. If you are under 3.0 apply to state school,
otherwise apply to one of the less prestigious
public schools (rutgers, ut austin, uci, etc)
or private schools.
4. Assuming you haven't worked for a famous prof.
or other well known person in your field already,
consider going to work for such a person. If
you do a good job, you will get a good letter
of rec improving you chances.
A variation on this theme is to go to work at
a startup where a prof. works. If it goes
somewhere you are rich, otherwise you use the
prof. as you ticket to grad school.
5. Join a company like Sun, Cisco, IBM, HP,
Lockheed and go to the farm on the SITN program.
This is the cheapest way to get a degree since
the company pays for your classes, and the company
pays you to work, so by the time you finish your
degree you've gained valuable work experience at
a well known company, you have some cash/options
and you have a degree from a well known university
\_ For #5, is it easier to get in thru SITN than
thru regular admission?
\_ The farm maintains that it is just as hard
to get into SITN as with regular grad school
but in reality it is easier if you go the
SITN route. SITN is a big money maker, so
virtually no one is refused. (okay if you
were 2.0 at eastern wisconsin adjunct teachers
college and you try to go the SITN route
you won't get in, but if you are ~ 3.0 @ Cal
it shouldn't be too hard)
\_ I have done some "research" for a professor of
both IEOR and CS... do you think his letter will
count for much for a CS program? And I have one
semester left at Cal... how can I go about trying
to get more research experience?
\_ This all depends on what sort of "research"
and which IEOR prof. Unless the research is
unique or gets published/patented its not
going to help you that much, but if the prof.
likes you and you get a good letter of rec.
it will improve your chances of getting in.
The bad part is that you will need three
letters of rec so getting in good with one
prof. is only 1/6 of the battle.
Unless you are over 3.0 in Eng, SITN or
similar at SCU or USC is your best/cheapest
bet.
\_ Hold on, the original poster did not specify which major he
wants to get in to. For MBA, work experience DO count, along
with your GRE/GMAT scores. I agree with the above poster
that you could try to get your company to pay for at least
half the cost. - jthoms |
| 1999/10/14-15 [Academia/GradSchool/MBA, Academia/GradSchool] UID:16704 Activity:insanely high |
10/13 Let's say that I make it to a second tier MS CS program. Once I get
in, how easy/common is it to transfer to a first tier Phd CS program?
\_ Depends entirely on the quality of your research. If your research
is of stellar quality, you will have little problem. But then if
you were capable of stellar research, how did you end up in a
second tier MS CS program? -- ilyas
\_ You suddenly decided in your fourth year that CS was for you?
\_ many people gain readiness for various stages in life at
different times. maybe this one was ready for a PhD program
at a later time.
\_ People don't just spontaneously become brilliant at 24.
You can't become "ready" for a first tier PhD program,
\_ the crappiest president this place has seen since jsl.
you either have what it takes, and have a research track
record + grades to prove it, or not. -- ilyas
\_ Yeah, but you can decide to start working hard and
stop slacking. You don't have to be brilliant to get
into a good PhD program. - mikeym
\_ I maintain that if you are not brilliant, first
tier PhD programs are not for you: you will not help
your advisor, and you will not help yourself.
First tier PhD programs are for the future leaders of
science, not some mediocrity with a vanity problem,
who decides one day to "stop slacking" and "work hard".
Such a person may even be able to get into a good
program, like a kid sneaking in to an exclusive
nightclub. But a good program will always remain for
him just that: an exclusive nightclub of the mind,
where he will always feel out of place. -- ilyas
\_ Wow... that's stunningly arrogant and elitist. Who
says this late comer to PhD-dom isn't brilliant?
Who says that working hard (kissing ass) all through
school is a sign of brilliance? Neither is true.
People who work hard are (mostly) doing so *because*
they're *not* brilliant and *need* to work hard to
stay even with their slacking but smarter peers.
You have this all backwards.
\_ If he has to "stop slacking" and "work hard" he
isn't, which is exactly what I was saying. You
are right, what I am saying IS elitist. Human
beings are not created equal. First tier schools
are for first tier people. -- ilyas
\_ The original poster never said he was a slack.
I believe mikeym added that twist.
\_ I'm going to gradschool for those 3 letters after my name:
M.B.A. - paolo (who is sick of all this grad school bullshit)
\_ But has the right attitude to be a good MBA.
\_ Why are you getting a CS PhD from *any* school? The only thing
you can really do with it is teach at a second rate school. You
need to think more about what you plan to do with it than how to
get it. You sure as hell won't make more money with it.
\_ another example where people reply WITHOUT reading the
original post. The guy said he wanted to go to
FIRST TIER Phd program. FUCKIN MORON.
\_ Hypocrite. I was questioning the value of *any* PhD.
*You* need to read the post you're replying to before
*you* reply. You are a complete fucking idiot. First
Tier vs. Second Tier has nothing to do with what *I*
was saying. You are lower than low. Dumber than dumb.
To attack someone for not reading when you haven't read
what you're attacking makes you a hypocrite of the lowest
order. I lack the words to describe how completely and
utterly S-T-U-P-I-D you are. Return your diploma to
the registrar's office immediately.
\_ Feel better now that you got that off your chest?
\_ I always feel better after correcting a dumb
shit for brains hypocritical asshole. Yes, thanks.
If I had my giant Thesaurus here, I'd have felt
that much better, but it was sufficient as it was.
\_ If you're interested in money only, a PhD would
not be the best. But I'd wager they could
do 10X the things you can do. The only things
undergrads are really armed with is the 170
series. A PhD spends his whole life in 170
style concepts, and when they get out to
go work, they innovate, not copy, IMO.
\_ True if I was a coder. Since I'm not, and
I have worked closely with several PhD's, I
feel pretty secure saying that a PhD can
*not* do what I do. No, I can't do what
they can do either but frankly I found 170
really really really dull so I'm ok with
that.
\_ When I can actually manage to get enough
sleep, 170 makes sense and is kind of cool.
I wish there were some way to take 170 and
average a reasonable amount of sleep.
-- a current 170 hoser |
| 1999/2/9-10 [Academia/GradSchool/MBA] UID:15377 Activity:nil |
2/8 Does the haas school do transcripts of commencement addresses? I'm
interested in what Andy Grove said at the MBA commencement a couple
of years ago. Thanks.
\_ I don't think so, but they have been videotaping the recent
commencement ceremonies. -- yumin (Haas '96) |
| 1996/11/16 [Academia/GradSchool/MBA, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA] UID:32004 Activity:nil |
11/15 Haas business school is looking for HTML coder type person with good
PR skills. See /usr/local/csua/jobs/Haas -dbushong |
| 11/23 |