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2019/01/22 [General] UID:1000 Activity:popular

2009/2/19-21 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack, Politics/Domestic/Immigration] UID:52603 Activity:nil
2/19    Motd has been boring lately. Where is jblack's "fuck immigrants"
        and "self reliance" freeper drivels?
2008/12/18-28 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:52275 Activity:nil
12/18   Whatever happened to the freeper guy(s) on motd? No more
        pro war and Obama mellon jokes?
        \_ jblack has moved on to yellower pastures.
           \_ Oh, like the NYT?
2008/11/25-28 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:52105 Activity:nil
11/25   I miss jblack's freeper posts. Please come back jblack!
2008/11/5 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:51846 Activity:high
11/5    Courtesy of jblack (Obama loves KFC):
        \_ Watching you have a heart attack is going to be awesome
        \_ Justin P. Black of U.C. Berkeley hates negros and colored people.
2008/11/5 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:51840 Activity:low
11/5    So can we mock jblack now?
        \_ now now, let's be nice about it. Also, I don't want him to
           explode and start cut/pasting a bunch of anti-gay anti-measure
           drivels over and over again while over-writing other
           people's posts.
2008/11/5 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:51837 Activity:nil
11/4    Okay, can we now spend the next four years mocking jblack?
        \_ Ok I don't get this, why is jblack white and jwhite black?
2008/6/10-13 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:50218 Activity:low
6/10    What's up with the sudden unending rash of Obama trolling on the motd?
        \_ The usual: freeper/Dittohead panic and flaming.
           \_ There are no freepers on the motd.  Get over your big bad self.
              Not everyone who disagrees with your agenda is a frothing moron.
              \_ We got numerous freeper urls a day back during the Iraq war
                 debate. Now some of those people have moved on, but not all
                 of them.
                 \_ I haven't seen a freeper link posted by a freeper in a
                    few years.  All the ones I've seen are posted by anti-
                    freepers looking for a straw man to bash.
                    \_ So all the freepers on the motd have turned into
        \_ Depends.  Is your definition of trolling, "anything that might
           make Obama look bad if more people knew it"?
2008/1/29-2/2 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Israel] UID:49032 Activity:low
1/28    Fun Fact: Each Gaza resident requires 1/2 ton of flour per day to
        \_ If they eat so much, they must be full of shit.
        \_ still waiting for jblack to say something about Jewish
           controlled liberal media.
           \_ I haven't seen a Freeper post in months, so I suspect that
              jblack has given up on us.
        \_ 680,000 pounds = 340 tons.  Simple error.
           \_ I think it was done on purpose.
              \_ why, because a 75% reduction in food availability wouldn't
                 be dramatic enough?  It's an error.  -tom
            \_ Sure it's an error, but it didn't attain head-slapping
               status until the guys at the Boston Globe put the 99%
               on there.  At which point someone should have noticed. -op
2019/01/22 [General] UID:1000 Activity:popular

2007/10/13-17 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:48308 Activity:nil
10/13   motd is so much more fun when ilyas is around. If only we
        can get jblack back.
        \_ I aim to please. -- ilyas
           \_ I aim to piss too.  -- !OP
        \_ my threads are automatically deleted.
        \_ my threads are automatically deleted.  -jblack
           \_ If you simply sign your name I'll automatically undelete you.
              \_ you know running scripts on the motd is squishable, right?
2007/7/16-19 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:47301 Activity:low
7/16    we haven't had a good motd thread fight in a while
        \_ what fight?  i was deleting old junk off the bottom.
        \_ what fight?  i was deleting old junk off the bottom.  fine, keep
           your junk.
           \_ I have had a couple of threads deleted "out of order" in the
              last three days. Methinks the Holy Keeper of All MOTD Sanity
              has returned from his extended hiatus. Am I right ilyas? -ausman
              \_ No.  But thanks for being an ass. -- ilyas
                 \_ You are welcome. -ausman
            \_ Who is deleting the Freeper threads?
            \_ Freeper Guy VS. Peak Oil guy
               round 1
2007/4/5-7 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:46199 Activity:low
4/4     Why do you participate on motd emarkp? It's not like anyone
        here actually agrees with 95% of your opinions and it's not
        like you're providing anything insightful to anyone else. Do
        you actually enjoy circuitous flamewar with us evil liburals?
        You're like that Butters character in South Park. Everyone makes
        fun of him but he still sticks around to be beaten over and
        over again. It is just mind boggling.
        \_ First of all, emarkp is very polite and tends to make more of an
           atempt at rational debate than most people here.  Second of all,
           his ideas are not the mainstream conservative party line you get
           from the drooling foxnews types or the frothing freeper types--his
           contributions are genuinely interesting(if annoying sometimes) and
           I've definitely been led to think about things because of them.
           This is a good thing.  Also, as a fairly extreme liberal, I find
           myself agreeing with him on several very important issues.  And
           on top of all that, Butters if fucking hilarious and makes SP a
           better show.
        \_ I like having emarkp. He is the only rational conservative
           who posts regularly. Why do you want to drive him off? -ausman
           \_ See, this is what precipitated my wall yesterday.  His
              posts yesterday were not his usual even-keel. --scotsman
        \_ I like having emarkp on too.  And if you spell it 'liburals'
           I automatically sort you to 'moron'.
        \_ Violating my own rule to not respond to anonymous trolls...
           Why do you participate?  I joined the CSUA in 1995, and while my
           political and social views differ dramatically from most people in
           Berkeley, I have a healthy respect for their technical prowess.  I
           also find that rational discussion with people who disagree with me
           is the best way to refine and evaluate where I stand and learn to
           articulate it better.  Occasionally I even change my views because
           of discussion here--two examples were 1) my objections to the
           original Lancet article on violent death stats in post-invasion
           Iraq, and 2) holding Evolution off as a scientific fact but not a
           belief of mine (I now accept Evolution without reservation).
        \_ diversity of opinion is good.  How can there be dark without light?
           why discourage those that think differently from you? You'd prefer
           a boring motd full of yes-men?
        \_ Discussion: good.  Echo chamber: bad.
        \_ emarkp doesn't flood the board with freeper links, and his
           discussions, apart from those with tom, people pretending to be tom,
           or anonymous cowards, tend to be reasonable or at least civil. I do
           not agree with much of what he has to say, but I appreciate his
           tone and ideas. --erikred
2007/3/15-20 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack, Politics/Domestic/RepublicanMedia] UID:45987 Activity:low
3/15    I haven't seen a single freerepublic link this year. What's up?
        \_ jblack must have gotten a g/f or something...
        \_ It's better that way.  Why would you want to?
        \_ Jews took over the site ~2004
2006/11/8 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:45252 Activity:nil
11/7    Waiting for jblack to saying something about the election
        \_ congratulations to the party of "the tribe", your team
           did pretty well.
2006/10/3-5 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:44647 Activity:nil
10/3    lafe, why do you hate jblack?
        \_ Random guy who's scripts don't work, what the fuck are you talking
           about? -lafe
           \_ Left wing nut lafe, what scripts are you talking about?
2006/9/25 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:44533 Activity:nil
9/25    sign your name jblack or else I will sign all conservative trolls
        for you.                                -liberal nut case
2006/9/24-26 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:44516 Activity:nil
9/23    jblack was here.  --!jblack
        \_ billg was here.  --!billg
2006/9/23-26 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack, Politics/Domestic/President/Reagan] UID:44511 Activity:kinda low Cat_by:auto
9/23    Ronald Reagan: An American Hero
        \_ This message brought to you by Justin P Black
        \_ Fuck Reagan, and fuck you.
        \_ a hero who dodged the draft in WW2?
           \_ someone with balls had to stay behind and live..
              otherwise we'd become france
           \_ George W Bush, Dick Cheney?
           \_ I thought everyone who avoided military service in the name of
              regime change and American hegemony was a hero?
              \_ The Marshall Plan is why we now call it the United States of
2006/9/23-26 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack, Industry/Jobs] UID:44506 Activity:moderate Cat_by:auto 68%like:44541
9/22    Note to future employers reading jblack's archives. Justin P Black
        is a total nut case. Just search for his name on the archiver.
        \_ I don't like jblack's extremist right-wing postings as the next
           person. But don't you think it's wrong to use a public
           discussion forum to personally smear other people? That seems
           like a very Fox New's type thing to do.
           \_ Op's post reflects more negatively on him than it does on
              the guy he's talking about.  I don't really care if I have to
              work with someone who has political opinions I think are crazy
              (I've done plenty of that, and it can be fun atually).  However,
              if I thought some self-righteous asshole like op thought he
              could get away with not hiring someone because of his political
              opinions, there's no way I'd work for him.  That sort of rigid
              authoritarian attitude is likely to carry over into technical,
              work-related matters and make someone impossible to work for/with.
              Whereas wingnut political opinions can be easily separated from
              technical matters, and have no effect on quality of life at work.
        \_ If people stopped hiring software people with insane fringe
           political opinions, the software industry would die in a week.
        \_ What archiver?
        \_ You're actually helping him, not hurting him.  If someone doesn't
           hire him because some anonymous jackass posted some bit of idiocy
           like yours on some stupid blog, you've just saved him from one of
           the worst jobs possible: working for stupid people.
        \_ I already circulated a negative recommendation in my company.
           I am making sure jblack gets special attentions. I work at Intel
           Corporation and I've passed the list to my HR friends at Yahoo,
           Google, HP, Applied Materials, and other major corporations.
           They've also begun circulating his name to the HR depts in
           other companies as well.  Please help me circulate jblack's
           name throughout the valley and tell me which companies
           you've passed the recommendation to so that we don't duplicate
           efforts. Thanks -alum of 1990, Intel Verification, SC
           \_ Hey, asshole!  Why don't you post your name so people who
              believe in free speech can avoid dealing with you ever?
              Posting freeper links to a public forum and trying to blacklist
              someone from an industry are two very different things.  The first
              is what what the motd is for, and the second is something that
              is borderline illegal, against policy in some companies, and
              makes you a bad human being.  I'm going to post my name just
              in the hopes that I never accidentally get hired by you or your
              asshole friends.  And for the record, I dissagree with jblack
              on every issue(except free speech on the motd and gun control).
           \_ If only the world really worked that way....
           \_ Free speech for me, eh?  -alum of 1997, at Intel SC until 2000
              Oh yeah, I can sign my name. -emarkp
        \_ What's wrong with hiring people with wacky political views so long
           as they do good work and don't draw bad press to the company?
           Do you support McCarthy-era blacklisting of communists?
           \_ Group dynamics is just as important as technical skills. We
              had a brilliant guy in our lab from the midwest with extremist
              views (he thinks we should nuke Iraq, Iran, and N Korea). For
              two years the manager tried to group him into different
              projects and the projects all turned out to be disasterous
              because we just couldn't get along. The manager gave up and
              the midwest dude drifted to his little projects while most of
              us moved on. Don't underestimate the power of group dynamics.
              \_ His problem wasn't his views.  His problem was sharing them
                 at work.  Were the rest of you sharing your views on the same
                 topics or was he this wildman lone wolf out to convert you
                 all to nuking everyone?  I'll bet his version of events is
                 something like, "I was recruited out to the West Coast where
                 all these obnoxious assholes wouldn't shutup about their
                 politics so I tried different groups to get away from them
                 but they were all more interested in everyone thinking like
                 them politically than in getting any work done, so I went
                 and did my own projects until I could get away from that
           \_ It won't be good for the team if he's widely hated.
              \_ Professionals don't discuss their politics, religion and other
                 BS at work.  Furthermore if you *hate* someone because they
                 have different political views than you, the problem is yours,
                 not theirs.
                 \_ In theory, you're absolutely right. Professionals do not
                    discuss shit outside of their professional work.
                    In practice, you're wrong. Most of the professionals
                    in this world are not that professional.
                 \_ All true. Still doesn't change the fact that employers
                    _will_ Google you these days before hiring you.
                    \_ And really, if an anonymous motd entry showing up on
                       google is a barrier to a job you've done him a great
                       service by saving him from a job with morons.
        \_ Why are you such a wuss that you won't publish your name?
           Anonymously naming other people is pretty low. -jrleek
           \_ Because if he did, he might find himself on a counter-blacklist.
              I couldn't care less about jblack's political leanings but I hate
              this pathetic coward blacklist guy's behavior. Unlike the
              politics, this sort of thing is something that is likely to
              reflect on being a shitty guy to work with.
              \_ The blacklist guy is kchang (Kevin Chang), who I'm sure is
                 already on plenty of blacklists for his stalking behavior.
              \_ It isn't that difficult to figure out who is who on the motd.
                 He may very well find his own name spread around the valley,
                 but really my question is, "why does he care?".  And no, I
                 know that places like Intel, HP, etc are too damned big and
                 disorganised, especially in hiring, to have a global blackist
                 created by motd writers.  The whole concept is just silly and
                 a vain attempt to silence jblack for having political views
                 that differ from the childish and petty original poster.
        \_ Are we running the "best of" soda useless classic motd discussions?
        \_ Wow. Facism is alive and well in the liberal, tolerant Bay Area.
           \_ Should we take this at face value?
2006/9/22-25 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack, Reference/Religion] UID:44501 Activity:low Cat_by:auto
9/22    Apparently the Pope is a Jew:
        \_ Ironic considering they killed a solid 20-30 million Orthodox
           Christians during the first half of the 20th century.
        \_ Of course!  It all makes sense now!
        \_ I'm told by a guy I know in Azerbijain that it is common
           knowledge in Azerbijain that Bush and Cheney are both Jews.
        \_ Better a Jew than a red-neck right wing nut case like our
           President. If I can only choose one race to rule the earth,
           I'd totally pick the Jew over all other races   -jeworshippor
           \_ Considering they killed a solid 20-30 million Orthodox
              Christians during the first half of the 20th century
              this is not so surprising.
              this is not so surprising.                        -jblack
              \_ What?
              \_ Uh oh, jblack seems to be hitting the meth pipe now.
                 \_ You, sir, have been trolled.  Try new improved formula
                    Troll Gro(tm) for healthy trolls!  -John
           \_ That's Kazakhstan.  Kill the jew Sacha Baron Cohen!  -John
                 \_ Uh oh, politically incorrect history.  I suppose this
                    is not taught in hate Whitey 101.
2006/9/16-19 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack, Politics/Domestic] UID:44406 Activity:nil Cat_by:auto
9/16    "I have been saying for the last thousand years that America has only
        one party - the property party. It's the party of big corporations,
        the party of money. It has two right wings; one is Democrat and the
        other is Republican." - Gore Vidal
        \_ The Democrat Party has become the Jew Party, and attempts
           are well underway to coopt the Republican GOP.
           are well underway to coopt the Republican GOP.     -jblack
           PS. I hate blacks, Mexicans, and Jews
        \_ Didn't know the U S of A has been around for a thousand years.
2006/7/25-26 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:43804 Activity:nil
7/25    Hey, since we have "jive" and "b1ff" and so forth, what about
        "jblack"?  Shouldn't be too hard to jblackify any block of text.
2006/7/5-7 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:43574 Activity:nil
7/5     The freeper seems to be back in force on the motd nowadays!  GO
        FREEPER! --jblack #1 fan
        \_ Back in Black!
2006/4/22-25 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack, Politics/Domestic/RepublicanMedia] UID:42804 Activity:nil Cat_by:auto
4/22    More proof that Bush's special tax cut is stimulating the economy:
        \_ Because clearly, Fox news is a more reliable source for economic
           information than literally hundreds of respected economists both
           in academic and practical roles who all agree the supply-side
           economics was and is a complete and utter load of garbage.
           jblack, seriously, were you dropped on your head as a baby?  Does
           it amuse you to troll the motd with badly sourced, badly reasoned
           swill?  Do you think you're convincing people to come around to
           your point of view, if so do you have any evidence that this
           approach is working?  -dans
             \_ Fuck you.  If you had any knowledge of my mother's delivery
                condition, you'd realize that's in remarkably poor taste.
                \_ That's messed up, man.     -irony guy
           \_ WHoa whoa, easy on the meth!!! Take a chill pill. The guy
              you're blaming on hasn't even been unsorried:
    jblack:x:13096:100:Justin Black:/home/apollo/jblack:/csua/adm/bin/safesorry
              You have a lot of anger. Are you still pissed at tom because
              he made you look like a total idiot and a nut case? Has it
              been embarrasing? What did the shrink say? Do tell.
              \_ Do you appreciate the irony of tom making anyone look like an
                 idiot and a nutcase? -dans
                 \_ About as much as I appreciate the irony of you making
                    anyone seem well-adjusted and rational.
                    \_ Coming from a random anonymous troll who, odds are, has
                       probably never met me, that's pretty ridiculous. -dans
           \_ s/foxnews/www/ ... happy now? It's not foxnews.  The article
              doesn't prove what op asserts anyways.  Just that some people
              have lots of money to blow.  Which we knew anyways.
           \_ Sometimes it helps to read an article before responding to
              \_ Agreed. dans' brain has been classified as: small
                 \- you must pay me 5 cents.
                    \- why? what is the ramification for not doing so? ok thx
2006/3/31 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:42579 Activity:nil
3/31    Trollertainment of the day:
        Why is Justin White black and Justin Black white?
2006/3/30-31 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:42544 Activity:nil
3/29    All freeper links not marked as such deleted.
2006/3/21-22 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:42369 Activity:nil
3/21    So where are amckee and jblack? I need stupidity for entertainment.
2006/2/17 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:41898 Activity:nil
2/17    jblack, what the fuck is wrong with your obsession with
        Able Danger? Are you a bipolar? Borderline personality?
        OCD is likely. You should see a shrink. Seriously.
        \_ In ten years, I'll still be bitter about the Bush presidency, and
           I'll still be angry at the fuckers who voted for him and the
           bastards who helped him steal the elections.  I don't fault jblack
           for his passion, only for being on the wrong side.
        \_ I dunno, what is wrong with his obession?  I'm curious why you
           have such an obsession with jblack.  Is it love?
           \_ Maybe it's a Brokeback Mountain thing?
             \_ God, I wish I knew how to quit jblack!
                \_ God, I wish I knew how to make jblack quit!
                   \_ That's it, blame the victim.
                      \_ He shouldn't have snuck up from behind without
                         announcing his presence.
2006/2/1 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/China, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:41638 Activity:nil
2/1     Where is jblack these days?
        \_ Why do you hate America?
           \_ Obviously you've never served.
              \_ Are you chinese?  Do you understand the effect
                 the opium trade had on China?
                 \_ I bet BUD DAY understands the effects of the opium trade!
                    \_ Not after a GUN DUEL he won't.
                       \_ um, RIDE BIKE!
2006/1/25-27 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack, Uncategorized/Profanity] UID:41528 Activity:nil
1/25    Fuck you. Go talk about politics in freeper or radiofreeamerica.
        \_ hey man, be a little polite.  I didn't say "fuck you" or insult
           you in any way.
2006/1/8-9 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:41298 Activity:kinda low
1/8     suck my dick jblack
        \_ Does jblack even do MOTD anymore?
           \_ Does jblack even suck dick anymore?
2006/1/3-5 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:41204 Activity:nil
12/3    Can someone confirm that jblack the Bush loving troller is
        posting anonymously? I just love trolls!
        \_ Is this International Irony Day, or what?
2005/12/16 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:41054 Activity:high
12/16   Who are your favorite motd trollees?
        \_ Jblack. Fucker.
           \_ what kind of jblack?  (single minded republican?)
              \_ Fucker? I hardly know her!
        \_ I troll jblack
        \_ This is totally uncalled for.  Grow up.  Replies purged.
2005/11/22-23 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:40686 Activity:nil
11/21   With 2005 coming to a close, it's time to vote for your favorite
        motd war of 2005!  It's a tough group of nominees out
        many favorites to choose from:
        GUN DUEL:
        amckee vs psb FITE:
        jblack vs. the jblack stalker:
        ilyas vs. everybody:
        \_ Who won?
             MOTD: .
        jblack vs. the jblack stalker:
        ilyas vs. everybody:
        \_ my favorite is the amckee vs. blacklist thread. It was
           unique and hilarious
        \_ young and stupid politburo vs. stubborn old farts
        Casino Troll:
        \_ only amckee v. psb is worth a shit since the others were
           anonymous people hassling non-anonymous people which is lame.
        \_ we all lose because these things make the motd and the csua suck.
2005/11/16-17 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:40607 Activity:kinda low
11/15   jblack, thank you so much for posting freeper links! I used to
        be a brainwashed knee-jerking liberal but after reading a few
        of your links I finally see things from your perspective and
        boy is it liberating or what! You have been right all along
        and it is now my mission to post freeper links as well to
        educate ignorant liberals to see things from our perspectives...
        the right perspective. Thank you jblack, keep up the
        good work and God bless.                -conservative convert
        \_ Is it so hard to let other people talk without insulting them?
           \_ I think the jblack fetishist goes a bit beyond just insults.
              He does seem to have successfully chased jblack away.  We
              all owe him our thanks.
              \_ motd, sanitized for your protection.
        \_ Good, now maybe you can figure out what is going on with
           Able Danger.  Never seen anything like this.
           Weldon to reveal new 'Able Danger' details
           http:// -jblack
           \_ You have never seen politicians lie and cover-up in an
              attempt to look better? You must not have been paying
              attention before.
2005/11/9 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:40511 Activity:nil
11/9    ?????????????????????
        \_ hello jblack, sign your name. And what's wrong with
              government dependency? You talk as if one ideology
              has absolutely superiority over the other.
                \_ I'm not jblack.  And learn to format.
                   \_ I'm not the jblack fetishist, but I've reformated because
                      bad formating hurts my eyes.
                \_ So... why don't you sign YOUR name? -jrleek
                   \_ Because he knows he'd get booted for harassment.
                      \_ Which is typical of "apply the rules to everyone but
                         me" crowd. -emarkp
2005/11/9 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:40506 Activity:nil
\_ hello jblack, sign your name. And what's wrong with
              government dependency? You talk as if one ideology
              has absolutely superiority over the other.
        \_ I'm not jblack.  And learn to format.
2005/10/25-27 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:40269 Activity:high
        \_ I suggest that various members of root staff and/or politburo
           are violating the "not being a hoser" clause by sending such
           a stupid message and shutting down a useful service.
           \_ root/politburo had only requested that kchang remove the
              faulty attribution feature. I think kchang took down the
              rest of it all on his own.
           \_ root/politburo clarified that the request was only for
              the removal of the faulty attribution feature.
              \_ politburo wields a big sword in front of kchang and
                 tells him to take out 24HourDiff, then asks him to
                 be nice and put back a useful archiver service.
                 You honestly think that after wielding your
                 big sword [and causing resentment], that he's going to
                 be nice to you again? You fucking fresh politburo
                 virgins just don't understand basic psychology.
                 \_ Inconceivable!  amckee has managed projects with 30
                    engineers flung across the globe (though we were never
                    told why those engineers felt the need to flee), and the
                    the Psychology Dept has classified him as a Critical
                    Psycho Asset.  How can he not know basic psychology?
                    This is in all ways inconceivable.
                    \_ I do not think that word means what you think it means
              \_ It was still an stupid message. What's with the vague
                 innuendo? What's with the idiotic requirement in the
                 first place? Why is energy being spent on that? (Also,
                 the thing about not being a hoser basically suggests he had
                 to shut it down.)
                 \_ Well, amckee wrongly sorried someone based on kchang's
                    attribution.  That must be immensely embarrassing for
                    amckee personally and the politburo in general.  Of course
                    they want to shut it down.  In fact, isn't amckee the
                    only documented case of someone actually doing bad
                    things (rather than merely threatening to do bad things)
                    based on kchang's attribution?
                    \_ I suspect part of the rationale is that, by identifying
                       users this way, it also opens up the door for
                       persecution of individuals that post stuff that people
                       don't find palatable for whatever reason.  I'm just
                       guessing about that, though, based on hearsay that
                       I've heard.  I haven't had a chance to decide for
                       myself whether this is really reasonable.  *shrug*
                       \_ The biggest issue with the attribution feature
                       \_ The biggest problem with the attribution feature
                          is the fact that it was not reliable. Stating
                          as fact to the world that "baz wrote this", when
                          in fact it was written by foo is a problem.
                       \_ But you have to respect how this was handled (sarcasm)
                          No prior discussion a very widely used facility is
                          is going to be forceably shut down and then
                          "Last minute email from root ..."
                       \_ But you have to respect how this was handled
                          (sarcasm) No prior discussion a very widely
                          used facility is is going to be forceably
                          shut down and then "Last minute email from
                          root ..."
                          What does this refer to: "we don't think this
                          is a sorryable offense"?  Are you so delusional
                          to think you could have sorried him for running
                          it in the first place (Politburo edicts now may have
                          retroactive liability?) or that if he didn't
                          comply then you would not have sorried him?
                          Was this an "order" on pain on being sorried or
                          was it a request?  Is the politburo interested in
                          hearing requests to reactivate the service?
                          Thanks for the detailed coverage of the Video Game
                          Tournament though.
                          \_ your facts are confused.
                          \_ your facts are confused. -brett
                             \- is this kinda like how i took things
                                out of context when i provided links
                                to the entire paper trail? maybe you
                                can clarify? It seems the the PP
                                is asking for clarification.
                                "good night and good luck" --psb
                          \_ Uhm, are you addressing me or politburo?  I'm
                             just taking a shot in the dark about why this
                             service is being blamed.  If you're addressing me
                             then your hostility is very very misplaced.
                             \_ I would say he is speaking of the action by
                                Politburo. -someone else
                          \_ Get your facts straight.
        \_ I agree with previous poster who says that process has been
           bungled.  There could have been plenty of discussion from soda
           users via motd or listserv on what to do (if anything) about
           kchang's logging feature, but this resource was not consulted.
           This is the power of Politburo, but Politburo exercised this
           power ... unwisely in this case.
        \_ he was asked merely to put up a disclaimer about the inherent
           inaccuracy of his system.  he chose instead to shut it down.
           \_ kchang was asked twice to remove a feature.  kchang took
              down his motd site. It was clarified by mrauser that
              "Your welcome to turn it back on, but it would be nice
              if you disabled the feature that attributed each post
              to whomever you thought made it" kchang hasn't posted
              the clarification on his website. -brett
              \_ "[T]here is doubt regarding whether your use of CSUA
                 resources violates the 'not being a hoser' clause of the
                 CSUA policy" clearly sounds like a threat.  Perhaps it is
                 unreasonable to expect kchang to play nice after being
                 \_ [brett's clarification removed after I removed the point
                    requiring clarification]
                    \-So the position is "The pburo believes it is acceptable
                      for mr kchang to include a disclaimer about the accuracy
                      of the attributions and operate as before"?
                      (If you are replying to clarify, and are a root/pburo
                      person, it would be helpful if you would sign your name,
                      for obvious reasons). --psb
                      \_ I'm not a politburrito (anymore, thank god), but
                         given that there's not really anything keeping
                         someone else from doing this sort of thing, I don't
                         see the point in telling kchang or anyone else not
                         to do this.  Asking to take into consideration its
                         effects on motd as a forum (and possibly turn it off)?
                         Sure.  Personally, I draw a line at not noting
                         the inherent inaccuracy of this system.  While
                         amckee should have known better anyway, I think
                         it's pretty lame to attribute posts to people
                         based on circumstantial information without noting
                         that the conclusions are circumstancial too --Jon
              \_ Clarification please.  Many of us have our personal
                 attribution scripts.  Is it acceptable for us to run them?
                 Is it acceptable for kchang to release his scripts so other
                 people can run them?  Strictly for each runner's personal
                 use and entertainment, of course.
                 \_ It's one thing to come to your own conclusions about
                    who wrote what, based on whatever methods you chose,
                    whether it be ps(1) info, w, fstat, the phase of the
                    moon, reading /dev/random, whatever.  It's another to
                    tell others your conclusions ala KAIS without at least
                    letting others know how reliable your conclusions are
                    and how reliable your methods are. --Jon
                    \_ While all answers are replies, not all replies are
                       answers.  I asked very specific questions, and I
                       am really look for answers, and not just replies.
                       Are we allowed to run our own scripts?  Are we allowed
                       to run kchang's scripts, should he choose to release
                       them?  -pp
                       \_ I think it's clear you're welcome to run anything
                          you like for your own personal use.  You're being
                          asked not to take that same unreliable information
                          and post it to the public as if it was a source of
                          truth without noting it isn't reliable and is just
                          a poor guess at best.  Having been accused of
                          posting things by other people when I wasn't even
                          around and then seeing my name next to some garbage
                          later on a public website is just plain wrong.
                          I've had 'magical kchang quality scripts' for years
                          before he started logging&attributing in public.
                          I have *never* used those scripts to "out" anyone.
                          They can't be 100% reliable and it's distasteful
                          and a gauche to do so anyway.
                          \_ Amusing, I had done the same thing. I figured
                             out who the anonymous Freeper was, but just\
                             kept it to myself. -ausman
                             out who the anonymous Freeper was, but just
                             kept it to myself. -ausman
                    \_ Are we talking about the same Berkeley students who are
                       supposed to be semi-intelligent enough to understand
                       that (a) something like motd posting attribution is
                       trivial and irrelevant (IT'S THE FUCKING MOTD, FFS) and
                       (b) they shouldn't necessarily take what an off-site
                       resource says at total 100% religious face value?  -John
                       \_ it isn't just the motd.  it is posted on a public
                          website as if it was truth.  just because you don't
                          care doesn't mean others don't or that their opinions
                          on the subject of being falsely attributed to some
                          really horrendous things don't count.
                          \_ I read it on the Internet, so it must be true.  I
                             guess I haven't been in the US for a while, so I
                             forgot how thin-skinned and whiny people are.
                             Give me a fucking break.  -John
                       \_ they've gotten dumber since you left, Fuzzy.
                          that, and I making a distinction, even if it ends
                          an irrelevant one.  -Jon
                          \_ Just because people have become dumber doesn't
                             mean you have to pander to them.  -John
                             \_ in the end, it's not about them, but about
                                people who wrongly (knowingly or uncaringly)
                                attribute actions to others on false grounds
                 \- hey it's like FBI v. NWA again!
                   (see last paragraph)
                       them?  Yes, I am aware there would be a scalability
                       problem. -pp
                                \_ It's common knowledge that kchang's toys
                                   \_ I think kchang knows that his results
                                      are inherently not accurate.  I know
                                      you and I know.   I wouldn't call that
                                      "common knowledge".  --Jon
                                   are inaccurate, so I don't think you can
                                   claim he's actively "attributing actions"
                                   uncaringly, just that his scripts are bad.
                                   Are you claiming he did so knowingly and
                                   intentionally?  Because then politburo
                                   should come out and say so.  -John
                                   \_ I think kchang knows that his results
                                      are inherently not accurate.  I know
                                      you and I know.   I wouldn't call that
                                      "common knowledge".  --Jon
                                   \_ So anyone who finds my name incorrectly
                                      associated with some garbage at his log
                                      will know his toy is inaccurate and not
                                      assume I wrote something that has my
                                      name next to it?  I've seen the stuff
                                      come out in search engines and not all
                                      of us use a name like "John" that will
                                      get 8 zillion hits.  No, you don't think
                                      some person doing a background check will
                                      know or care that it is wrong.  They will
                                      see it and take it at face value and that
                                      is far more wrong than him turning off
                                      his toy or at a minimum making it loud
                                      and clear on each page that his
                                      attributions are no better than random
                                      spew and should not be taken seriously.
                                      \_ And then they will take my kitten away
                                         and make me do the dishes and I won't
                                         be able to go to all the kewl places
                                         because everyone will hate me...
                                         Chill out dude. It's the motd and
                                         there is a disclaimer. If you're
                                         afraid of being tracked for your
                                         beliefs and/or quirks, don't post.
                                         \_ Missing point: I didn't post but
                                            got attributed anyway.
                                            \_ Just disclaim it. Like everyone
                                               in BushCo does. Point to
                                               disclaimer. If getting accused
                                               of doing something offensive
                                               on the net is going to ruin
                                               your future life, your
                                               life really sucks.
                                               \_ You rarely get a chance to
                                                  disclaim anything.  No one
                                                  is going to tell you why
                                                  they made a decision.  As
                                                  far as my life/career, etc,
                                                  you have no clue.  Either
                                                  way, great life or bad, I
                                                  shouldn't get smeared by a
                                                  broken script even if it had
                                                  zero effect on my life.
                                                  \_ So you're worried a
                                                     script will randomly ID
                                                     you as a poster of an
                                                     offensive item even if
                                                     you never post. As much as
                                                     I admire your paranoia, I
                                                     think you're nuts. You
                                                     need to ask root to delete
                                                     your account now just to
                                                     be super safe.
                                      \_ If you're going to go work at a place
                                         that does background checks by
                                         browsing hozerish archives of student
                                         bbs, I am speechless, and I am sorry
                                         at how you have thrown away a good
                                         Cal education.  -John
                                         \_ Nice, also not your place to
                                            determine what sort of place might
                                            read what and what it looks like
                                            in a search engine to an outside
                                            investigator.  When you provide
                                            all of us a dream job with no
                                            background checks and we choose to
                                            go elsewhere, then we'll talk.
                                            \_ I like killin' babies. -hmiers
                                               \_ All hail the power of the
                                                  ideologues to locate this
                                                  misattributed quote to bring
                                                  down a USSC nominee!
                                            \_ So the rest of the world should
                                               adapt itself to your lack of
                                               career clue?  Get over yourself.
                                               Nobody's interested that you
                                               fiddle litle boys.  I guess
                                               turning this off REMOVES ALL
                                               POSSIBILITY OF ANYONE PUBLICLY
                                               SLANDERING YOU!  -John
                                               \_ I'm glad you are Knower Of
                                                  All.  I feel better now that
                                                  you put up a straw man and
                                                  knocked it down for me.
                                                  \_ Am I wrong?  -John
           \_ Well, no.  "The CSUA Politburo and members of Root Staff
              request that you [kchang] remove the attribution feature
              from your KAIS MOTD."  *One* member of root staff wrote
              that a disclaimer is sufficient in lieu of a full shut
              down, but it seems clear the politburo and the root staff
              as full bodies wanted the service shut down.
              \_ Since I'm sick of reading datasheets, I'll keep on posting.
                 That "*one* member of root staff" was me. --Jon
                          in fact it was written by foo is the issue.
           \_ Thanks for the clarification. -brett
              \- hey it's like FBI v. NWA again!
                 (see last paragraph)
                 \_ Which is a reasonable request.  kchang is just being a
                    baby. -emarkp
                    \_ It was phrased as a threat.  As little respect as I have
                       for kchang, he never claimed his toys were
                       authoritative.  The people being babies here are the
                       ones whining about "oh n0es, bad things are being
                       attributed to me on the internet!"  Whatever.  Rampant
                       whiny stupidity just pisses me off.  -John
                       \_ It wasn't the first time someone had complained about
                          the inaccuracy of his attributions.  His rampant
                          whiny arrogance pissed me off. -emarkp
                          \_ Care to explain why he is whiny and arrogant?
                          \_ Fair enough--like I said.  Anyway, re-posting
                             wall & motd and making false attributions (or
                             b.s. ones and claiming they're authoritative)
                             doesn't require csua membership.  Note
                             finger?lwall ...  -John
                             \_ Forgeries (signing a post with someone
                                else's name) are an obvious possibility
                                of (semi)anonymous things like motd.
                                Saying that you've determined who made
                                a post to motd without saying how certain
                                or uncertain you are is something else.
                    \_ It's usually not considered good etiquette to piss on
                       people who provide a useful service for free.
                       All non-morons knew the vageries involved in the
                       attribution functionality and took them with a grain
                       of salt. I'm pretty sympathetic to kchang here.
                       Maybe he could create a version of KAIS MOTD that
                       requires authetentication so it it so longer
                       requires authentication so it would no longer
                       open to the world at large.
                       \_ like
2005/10/15-16 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:40117 Activity:nil
10/15   Isn't it weird that jblack has been really quiet in the past few days?
        Boy, I can't wait till they implement user-tracking. It'll be
        a conservative jblack troll paradise! Go conservative motd!
        \_ What you say makes very little sense for several reasons.
2005/10/14 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:40089 Activity:nil
10/14   While it is true that someone made a threat to jblack, who
        started it? jblack persistently posted freeper trolls and attempted
        at hiding freeper urls, knowingly how they really piss off
        knee-jerking left wing-nut liberals. If it weren't for jblack's
        initial immaturity and his complaints to politburo, the
        deanonymizing of motd which got started by our good 'ol
        conservative friend jrleek, would not have happened in the
        first place. Jblack is like this little kid harrassing
        bullies and when he is bullied he runs to his mommy for help.
        \_ What's your point?  I never claimed jblack's conduct was
           examplary.  However, nothing he did justified the
           phychopathic response, and anonymous threats of harrassment are
           clearly beyond the pale.  He also, as far as I know, never ran
           to anyone for help, or complained. The fact remains that jblack
           hater guy clearly overstepped both legal and moral lines.  I
           have no problem with the general causticness of the motd,
           (that's amckee's deal) but I do have a problem with
           criminality.  The motd was never truly anonymous anyway, even
           if you do use scp.  The fact is that politburo would rather
           enact an overarching rule than do a little detective work.
           \_ So which act was deemed criminal?
                 \_ So the bar is pretty low...
        \_ Wow, talk about blaming the victim.  "He insisted on posting _links_
           to a political philosophy I disagree with so I went totally psycho
           on him!  He *made* me do it!"  Sheesh.  Ridiculous.
           \_ It all depends on how high you believe the stakes are in the
              co-called "culture war".  Personally, I believe that the stakes
              couldn't be higher.  I believe that the group of radical
              Christians trying to overtake America will stop at nothing to
              build a fascist theocracy where a guy like me will end up dead
              just for being an athiest scientist who reads the wrong books.
              The radical Christian enemy is clearly willing to die for their
              dark vision of America, and so am I.  Seen in that light, a few
              insults and even threats on the motd just aren't a big deal.
              I am not "jblack hater guy", but I will not be suprised at all
              if in 10 years, I'm looking over a barricade at someone just like
              jblack, both fighting to the last.  Ideas matter.  Political
              philosophy *always* contains the threat of violence ultimately.
              \_ And THIS is why I love the motd. -jrleek
              \_ Whoa.  This is probably just a crazy troll, but you really
                 need to read up on Gandhi, Martin Luther King Jr., and
                 nonviolent resistance.  Violence is not inevitable.  Don't
                 go the way of Stalinist idiots like International ANSWER,
                 \_ Ok, speaking of Stalin, what exactly do you think would have
                    happened if we had not had the power to rain nuclear death
                    down on the USSR?  We'd just form a human chain in Berlin
                    and sing some songs and they'd back down?  How about Saddamn
                    in 91?  What's your pacifist solution there?  Or the
                    Taleban?  Pacifism can solve many problems, and can deal
                    with many types of people, but it is rarely the solution
                    to the problem of pure evil.
              \_ The bitch was asking for it.
              \_ I'm investing in tin futures.  Where are all these evil
                 theocrats running around dying for their cause killing
                 atheist scientists?
                 \_ You have to read between the lines a bit, but I believe
                    this is the ultimate goal of righwing preachers like
                    Dobson and Falwell--they just don't talk like that yet
                    because they're in stealth mode and because they think
                    they can take over "democratically" using the GOP.
                    Their real chance is going to come after the Peak Oil
                    crash.  At that point, society will face some very hard
                    choices, and we will have to either invest in science
                    and technology very intensly to get ourselves out, or fall
                    into another dark ages, which the Christian fascists will
                    be quick to advocate.  That is the scenario where they'll
                    end up trying to take power through violence.
                    \_ This is brilliant!  You have actually managed to troll
                       a discussion about how to make the motd a worth while
                       and non-hostile, yet anonymous place *and* slipped in
                       a peak oil reference as well.  Your troll-fu has
                       exceeded all previous known bounds of trollery.
                       \_ How much would it disturb you to discover that I
                          believe everything I wrote?
                          \_ Not at all.  But then I've read The True Believer.
                             \_ I've seen Serentity, how close is that?
                       \_ I agree with him.  It's no secret that fundie
                          power nuts like Falwell and Dobson fantasize of
                          a Christian Taliban, a whole country where everyone
                          is a Christian drone while they live lives of
                          luxury and limitless power.
                          \_ Falwell was at the last politburo meeting though
                             so I dunno. -mrauser
                          \_ So they have power fantasies?  So what?  That
                             means we should turn the motd into a pit?  I'm
                             so going to buy tin futures.  Are you also of
                             the opinion that this has something to do with
                             Peak Oil?  And how does Elvis, Area 51 and
                             the Bigfoot/Dolphin conspiracy play into this?
                             \_ Don't you mean aluminum?
        \_ Although, I have to admit, using a non-anonimizer to catch the
           anonymous motd censor would be really great. -jrleek
2005/10/14-15 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:40087 Activity:high
10/14   While it is true that someone made a threat to jblack, who
        started it? jblack persistently posted freeper trolls and attempted
        \_ Um, more to the point, who took it seriously?  jblack certainly
           didn't as he never made any effort to contact administrators,
           nor is there any evidence he sic'd the university on the CSUA.
           Someone else took umbrage, and started this pointless folderol,
           and we're unfortunate enough that he found a sympathetic ear.
           \_ I took it seriously.  I don't care if jblack lauphed it off
              or not.  Your going to have a hard time convincing me that it
              is important for the CSUA to protect the right of people to
              threaten other people anonymously.  To me, that is the sole and
              final purpose of the motd logging. -mrauser
              \_ Why do all CSUA Treasurers go mad with power? - danh
              \_ so, uhhh....does that mean that if there are no threats the
                 motd will remain un-fucked-with?  I would like to point out
                 that all of the problems with the motd degenerating into
                 personal attacks and threats would have been solved if the
                 motd were *truly* anonymous to all but root.  That would
                 include people choosing to sign posts.
                 \_ If you want to design a tool that can fool kchang's logging
                    and make it publicly availible you are welcome to do so.
                    Of course scp always works, but the disjointed merging is
                    quite hozerish.  Right now, the definitive logging _will_
                    only be availible to root.  Not everyone will be able to
                    see the logs. -mrauser
                    \_ What's the list of users with root access?  what
                       safeguards are there that what was written with the
                       assumption of anonymity will not get posted all over
                       the internet with the names attached?  Anonymity is
                       important for discussion of unpopular, minority
                       opinions, sensitvie topics, personal problems,
                       cs problems, career advice, etc.  All these advantages
                       would get taken away from many people just because one
                       guy made a threat on jblack?
                       \_ Take a look waaaay down the page to see my reply to
                          someone on this issue.  To summarize: any root who
                          abuses power and looks at logs for inappropriate
                          purposes will be hozed hard by me.  Also, the root
                          list has been and continues to be trimmed. - jvarga
                       \_ Why is anonymity important here?  Given that motd
                          \_ Anonymity is not important, just as the motd is
                             trivial, silly and fun.  It does, however, add
                             flavor.  I don't know why people are turning this
                             into some massive debate on principles--de-
                             anonymizing the motd is stupid and missing the
                             point, but if the active members/politburo want to
                             do it, that's their good right.  -John
                          is displayed for everyone by default, shouldn't
                          accountability be more important here?  If I'm forced
                          to read someone's insane rant, I'd rather know who
                          to ignore in the future.  - rollee
                          \_ make it non-default then.  also, you make the
                             choice of applying for a soda account and
                             continuing to use it.  even then,
                             noboby is forcing you to read anything.
                             and you can do a clear and cat of motd.official
                             after logging in, or just use .hushlogin
              \_ yea, but except for the guy who threatened jblack, everyone
                 else didn't cross the line, so why are we being punished?
                 How am I supposed to ask a dumb CS question now without
                 embarassing myself?       - soda donor
        at hiding freeper urls, knowingly how they really piss off
        knee-jerking left wing-nut liberals. If it weren't for jblack's
        initial immaturity and his complaints to politburo, the
        deanonymizing of motd which got started by our good 'ol
        conservative friend jrleek, would not have happened in the
        first place.
                 \_ But the point is that it isn't only threats to jblack,
                    there have been numerous instances of people harrassing
                    others on the MOTD. We also had some moron threatning
                    the POTUS last year after the elections. You have to
                    admit, in the past half decade the MOTD certainly has
                    gotten a lot more vicious. It's an unfortunate trend
                    and we all are probably partially liable for it. I know I
                    am. The MOTD, along with wall and ntalk are also dying
                    mediums, so it's understandable that the current
                    generation of undergrads show little interest and little
                    patience for MOTD antics... -williamc
                 \_ You aren't being punished if you're not doing things that
                    would cause root to actually have to look at the logs.
                    You seem to be assuming that root cares who posts stupid
                    questions and remarks.  Don't worry about there being logs
                    if you're not doing anything bad. - jvarga
                    \_ I have no idea who the root guys are.  what if one of
                       them is immature like the guy who threatened jblack,
                       and I've just had a political argument with him,
                       and he went nuts?
                       \_ By popular request, your root staff and politburo
                          are now listed in the official motd. - jvarga
                       \_ What if one of the root guys IS jblack? Go Bush!
2005/10/14 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:40082 Activity:very high
10/13   I asked a bit earlier how many of you angry motd-ers are actual CSUA
        \_ Who's angry?  This is a non-issue.  The CSUA politburo should do
           whatever the active CSUA members (i.e. enrolled undergrads) vote
           to do.  We're just excercising the privilege of the ancient to
           smirk condescendingly on the sillinesses that the puppies come
           up with :-)  -John
        voters.  I am guessing very few are.  The reality is this is not your
        machine, and this is not your organization, anymore.  The current
        students in charge are free to run things however they wish.  As
        someone so bluntly put it below, "the decision stands and is not
        debatable".  I do find it amusing that after all the alum donations
        to spiff up the place, we are then told off so cavalierly.
                    \- raising the matter of "are you a current ucb
                       undergrad" might be relevant if the issue was
                       about voting or representation, but if it is
                       about ideas, and they are making reasonable
                       points rather than just claiming "i am older
                       and smarter; you are young and naive" then
                       you should ignore where they ideas are coming
                       from but just address the ideas themselves
                       if they have merit. if the values of the
                       older members are that much out to lunch
                       how can you justify operating under a consitution
                       hardly changed from somethign they wrote ...
                       or are you claiming they somehow had your values
                       when in school but then become unmoored and
                       unhinged upon leaving the evans/sloda/cory environs.
        \_ I don't know, another question worth asking is "How many of the
           angry motd-ers donated?"  I did, and I pretty much agree with
           \_ "Did you donate?" is the CSUA's "you haven't served"  -John
              \_ Of course, "you haven't served" is occasionally also the
                 CSUA's "you haven't served". -gm
           politburo. Although, actually, perhaps a different experiment
           would be interesting. Part of the problem currently is the
           anonymity differential.  Things only got really nasty around
           jblack when kchang's diff exposed who it was posting the
           freeper links. Then some blow hard starting harrasing him
           anonymously.  If anonymity had been guaranteed, at least THAT
           wouldn't have happened. -jrleek
        \_ Check your crystal ball again, that wasn't my post.  The decision
           \_ mea culpa
           was debated extensively (see the pages upon pages in the minutes)
           and it saddens me that the anonimity was abused so badly that it
           will help to remove it.  I won't monitor you if you want to make
           your own world writable ~myname/sleezepit.motd where you can
           slander, insult and threaten as you please.  I think the csua
           motd should be a place where people can post and not be completely
           hounded.  When exactly did you donate by the way? -mrauser
           \- what is the rationale for not monitoring ~myname/sleezepit.motd
              but monitoring /etc/motd? --psb
              \_ If you really need to ask this you are SO dense.  Why do
                 you think I would possibly want to be responsible for
                 hateful comments on the csua's message of the day?  You
                 should probably just go think on it, this isn't worthy of
                 a response. -mrauser
                 \- ok i am a moron. tell me how you will deal with the
                    following: Anonymous A challenges john@soda
                    to a GUN DUEL in ~psb/motd.sleaze. Then PSB posts
                    "Hey John has been challeneged to a GUN DUEL in
                    ~psb/motd.sleaze!" to the motd.public ... this is
                    either signed by psb or "discovered" to be psb
                    via the motd.log.  questions presented:
                    1. is psb liable for something? if so, what?
                       is he reponsible for the threat or just running
                       a non-anonymous forum for thraets? so if psb could
                       find the original threatener A, is he then ok?
                       or is he guilty of helping out the threat?
                       if psb is guilty for helping ut the threat by cross
                       posting it, then isnt something who doesnt delete
                       an obnoxious comment in the motd also responsible
                       for "helping to spread disharmony on sloda"?
                       \_ hello, in the context of a threat you may
                          not be liable [ not 100% sure, maybe there
                          is some way to argue accomplice/conspiracy ]
                          in the context of defamation you could be
                          liable b/c you republished.
                    2. does the politburo not feel responsible in this
                       case since the official motd only contains a
                       POINTER to the inflammatory content?
                    3. maybe i am a moron, but it seems if the reason to
                       for the heavy handed intervention is stop threats
                       then this should extent to any reasonable public
                       forums on sloda. it certainly seems like i should
                       not even be allowed to advertise my evil motd in
                       the official sleaze free zone. although if i am not
                       allowed to post my pointer to ~psb/motd.sleaze, i have
                       to ask can i post a link to with
                       the exact same discussion? ... so it IS ok to post a
                       "sleazy pointer" as long as it points out of CSUA
                       space? if that is not fine either, why is it
                       permissable to post offensive links at all?
                       again what is the criteria of "bad" ... offensive/
                       obscene? child porn? emotionally damaging comments?
                       [like calling somebody a clown? what if you like
                       clowns?] physical threats? what if i just post
                       "i would like to meet you in a boxing ring"?
                       \_ Partha, it's "GUN DUEL", not "a GUN DUEL".  -John
                          \- funny you should say that. --psb
2005/10/13-14 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:40063 Activity:very high
10/13   Now that we're making a user-tracking, totalitarian motd in the
        future, I want to use all the remaining freedom to insult people.
        Whoever proposed this idea, fuck you. Paolo is an ass and
        all heil German John. Viva la libertarian-style motd!!!
        \_ What is wrong with root having a way to track who posted what when
           someone complains about inappropriate behavior on the motd?  Why is
           everyone complaining?  The fact that Politburo has had to make the
           decision to put a system in place to keep a log is not a symptom of
           a "totalitarian regime," but rather a forum where people's blatant
           disrespect for each other caused a problem that had to be addressed.
           You will still have your anonymity so you can troll away at each
           other, but root will finally have the ability to look at a private
           log IF AND WHEN the need arises to take care of issues that get out
           of hand.  No one will be monitoring the log, lording over you with
           the wiggling finger.  Life will continue on as normal.  But finally,
           those anonymous cowards who use unconventional motd posting means to
           threaten others will have to check themselves knowing that if they
           make a real threat and someone complains, that there will be
           judgment on their not-so-anonymous self.  The only people
           complaining about root having logs are those who are the people
           doing the threatening and are worried that they cannot continue to
           do so anonymously.  Get a life, grow up, and be civil to each other
           (insult each other all you want, we don't care.  Just don't cross
           the line and make real threats.).  Sheesh. - jvarga
           \_ The problem as I see it isn't so much the tracking mechanism,
              but the vagueness of the standard for breaking anonymity in a
              forum where some pretty hot-topic issues are often addressed.
              I'm rather uncomfortable knowing that we are giving power to
              tantrumy admins without any real limitations or clear standards
              of application.  Honestly, don't our stewards have more important
              things to do than chase after lackwit trolls?     -mice
        \_ If all they're really doing is logging this shit somewhere, I don't
           think it will matter.  What the cowards who like censorship fail
           to understand is how many of the trolls have the personality that
           tends to tell people to go fuck themselves straight to their face.
           Overall, I don't think the level of debate is really that much
           lower here than at the national level anyway.  Don't forget we
           recently had the Vice President of the United States tell a
           senator to go fuck himself, on record, in the senate.
           \_ It isn't about trolls.  Trolling is one of the 'fun' things about
              anonymity.  If you're going to get ballistic when someone posts a
              random link you deserve what you get.  I see the problem being
              with people who instead of saying "fuck you" (which is just
              stupid), make threats to life, limb, reputation, etc.  At that
              point there needs to be recourse, otherwise the CSUA is just
              providing a means to attempt to ruin another person with no way
              for the victim to even know who is doing it much less have a
              chance of stopping it.  Trolling is posting random stupid links.
              Going after someone in a personal way is not trolling.  That is
              harassment at a minimum and shouldn't be tolerated.  This comes
              back to the question raised several weeks ago about fresh blood
              on the motd.  Why would any new person want to step into such an
              environment?  And why can't we have an environment better than
              the rest of the net or the Senate floor, or where ever?  Just
              because another place sucks is no reason we have to emulate that.
              \_ I think you summarised the reasoning (if not improved upon
                 it) during the meeting.  We were thinking that it really
                 wasn't a constructive thing for people to be abusing the
                 anonimity to threaten others.  This is absolutely not intended
                 to be a "politburo intends to be the thought police" system.
                 The logs will also be root-only accessible and we're toying
                 with putting in a system such that you need two members of
                 root to access them. -mrauser
              \_ Just out of silly curiosity, has this happened to any serious
                 extent, has anyone been affected physically by this, or is
                 it a case of "won't someone think of the children"?  -John
                 \_ What benefit is it to the CSUA to have the MOTD anonymous?
                    (Unlike pretty much every other form of electronic
                    communication).  Is having wall logs "thinking of the
                    People should be accountable for what they say.  -tom
                 \_ Do you mean, "Has anyone not gotten involved with the
                    motd because it is overly caustic?"  If so, Yes.
                    \- non-anon wont solve the causticity problem
                       \_ Sure, but what was pp asking?
                    \_ No, has anyone been attacked/gotten in a fight/whatever,
                       because of what was said on the motd and complained, or
                       or has the CSUA been told off by a roving gang of UC
                       lawyers, or is this just a case of "well no, but it
                       _could_ happen"?  Is there a binding definition of
                       "harassment" from any authority that governs the CSUA?
                       I'm just curious... -John
                       \_ People no longer post here.  Isn't that enough?  How
                          many more have to be chased off?  Just because they
                          didn't file some sort of 'official' complaint with
                          politburo, it is ok they left after enough abuse?
                          Why does someone have to be beaten with a bat for
                          it to matter?
                          \_ I seem to recall people complaining about and
                             leaving the wall too.
                             There can never be enough chasing. We must
                             chase unto the hundreds, the thousands, the
                             hundreds of thousands. They shall all run before
                             the mighty motd. Kneel before motd.
                             (anyway, isn't it ironic that in the jblack case,
                             the only reason he became a "threat target" is
                             that other people de-anonymized him in the first
                       \_ From the minutes:
                          "Some people want to make [motd] semi-non-anymonous.
                          We don't want to be in trouble with libel, slander,
                          threats, etc. ... the people whoa re being attacked
                          are not complaining about it, it's not really a
                          problem! the message was just a troll ... we are
                          sorta sanctioning this simply by keeping it there
                          and not responding to these kind of threats"
                          I read this to mean Politburo (4 out of 5) got
                          freaked out about the GUN DUEL references, even
                          though it was a troll.  Could be wrong.
                          \_ BUD DAY doesn't like your tone.
                          \_ Not the gun duel, jblack hater guy
                             threatening anonymous harrassment and abuse.
                         I suppose it's good they haven't heard about GUN DUEL
                         yet ...
                         \_ Man, can't two consenting adults even talk about
                            organizing GUN DUEL without everyone getting all
                            freaky about it?  If it was jblack hater being
                            a weenie, and jblack complaining, that's one thing,
                            but I don't seem to recall either of the parties
                            involved in GUN DUEL raising a stink.  -John
                            \_ "the people whoa re being attacked are not
                               complaining about it ... we are sorta
                               sanctioning this simply by keeping it there
                               \_ So the people who are being attacked are
                                  not complaining. Perhaps they get the joke?
                                  It's the freakin' motd. I barely take the
                                  news links seriously.
                                  \_ They complained.  They up and left, duh.
                                     Just because they didn't file an official
                                     complaint and fill out some paper work,
                                     you think it's ok they're not here any
                                     more?  The motd is enriched by them
                                     leaving?  Sheesh.
                                  \_ And that benefits the  -tom
                                     \_ Allows those who have a minority,
                                        maginalized, or unpopular opinion to
                                        speak out. Allows people to judge the
                                        opinion separately from judging the
                                        person. And allows yermom to accept
                                        all the action she can take without
                                        you feeling bad about it.
                                        \_ We can have an anonymous motd
                                           without the assault and abuse.
                                           I'm totally in favor of what you're
                                           saying right here, but I'm totally
                                           opposed to allowing people to abuse
                                           their anonymous privs to attack
                                           other people.  Post your troll
                                           links, post your minority opinion,
                                           but don't expect to get away with
                                           direct personal threats and
                                           assault be it virtual or physical.
        \_ I don't care about user tracking as long as our stupid
           libertarian stops trolling and nuking the motd.
           \- anonymity enables discussion of certain topics that may not
              be discussed non-anonymously. non-anonymity, as the wall
              very nicely proves, will not make things warm and fuzzy. --psb
        \_ The Delaware S. Ct. just ruled on the issue of anon speech
           on the internet. If anyone is interested the opinion is at:
           Of interest may be the cts assertion that the constitutional
           rights of Internet users to speak anonymously must be
           "carefully safeguarded."
           \- this is about whether the sloda motd should be anonymous
              or not. you can support the possibility of anon speech without
              being obligated to provide a particular channel. although it
              is certainly true there are blurry areas ... like can a town
              deny a speech permit to somebody because it will cost thousands
              of dollars in police overtime [stipulating that this isnt a
              sham excuse]. does it matter whether it is an anti-BUSHCO
              parade or a neo-nazi parade [see skokie case] or say a parade
              to laude the virtues of IKEA or INNNOUT BURGER. i think one of
              the more interesting free speech cases is PRUNEYARD v. ROBBINS.
              i am not suggesting you are sugesting a legal obligation here,
              but i think it is clear "the csua" can do what it wants with
              the motd, just as i think it is clear it is clownheaded to
              put these restrictions on the motd. now if somebody else wanted
              to created /foo/bar/non-clownlike-motd-for-non-softheaded-adults
              which was anonymous and "the CSUA" smacked that down without
              a pretty compelling interest ... that would seem to be to be
              pretty suspect.
              \_ Is the politburo committed to monitoring just motd or any
                 world writable file which may be used for motd-like purposes?
                 \- i think they are committed to being clownlike. and to
                    AssOS 2.6, apparently.
                    \_ To be fair, these are a bunch of 20-year olds making
                       political and technical decisions.  How high should
                       our expectations be?
                       \_ They are 20 yr olds at Cal; we should expect
                          a bit more than latest 1337est.
                          \_ I would guess that almost all of us were once
                             20-year old students at Cal.  I was one too.  I
                             think I calibrated my expectations appropriately.
                             And we are not moving to linux because it's the
                             latest l337est; we're linux because the vp
                             couldn't get bsd running.  I calibrated my
                             expectations based on that too (not so much that
                             he couldn't get it up but rather he's unable to
                             determine root cause).
                             \_ The current VP, being completely inept in all
                                ways, shape, and form, did not try to get
                                freebsd running.  He came in, did nothing, got
                                chastized for doing nothing, then suddenly
                                embarked on some sort of religious crusade of
                                "I'm going to try and get people to stop
                                calling me inept so I'm going to try and get
                                new soda working."  I have had new soda, for
                                the most part, working since February.  I've
                                had logins up, home directories mounted, and
                                about 90% of the other stuff working.  Brett
                                and seidl were great and got apache and list
                                stuff working, and there was/is only a small
                                list of stuff left to do.  However, despite
                                my monthly "this is is an explicit list of
                                all there is left to do that I don't know how
                                to do," Politburo, and the VP especially,
                                claim that I don't tell anyone anything.
                                C'mon!  I explicitly said "anyone that can
                                help, please email me and I'll enable your
                                login."  Instead I get amckee telling
                                everyone that nothing works because he cannot
                                log in (I never enabled his login because he
                                threw a temper tantrum and refused to help).
                                Anyway, to get back to the point, we tried
                                loading up new soda with Freebsd 6 this last
                                weekend to see if the new kernel fixes the
                                issues we had installing 5.3, but
                                unfortunately it did not.  Mbh decided to load
                                Gentoo onto the system just to play around and
                                when it booted decided that he was going to
                                push to make Gentoo the new OS for soda since
                                the current system was "unusable" to him.  So,
                                despite the page-long list of reasons that I
                                provided as to why changing soda to Gentoo
                                would be a Very Bad Thing(tm), he still wants
                                to go forward with it because he thinks it is
                                cool to compile the OS from scratch.  The
                                \_ So it is latest 1337est! Anyway
                                   if he really wants to do this,
                                   why doesn't he try OpenSolaris?
                                   At least it is meant for adults.
                                \_ You can compile freebsd from scratch too.
                                guy wants to change soda's OS and claims that
                                he is willing to deal with all the fun that
                                comes from that, when he had to ask a few
                                days ago how to find out when someone logged
                                on last.  Sorry about the ventness of this
                                post, but I have been getting jerked around
                                by the inept politburo for the past 2 months,
                                dealing with lie after lie about me and am
                                trying to fight for some semblence of
                                rationality, but am getting tired of doing
                                so. - jvarga
                                \_ GO JVARGA GO!  W00T!  -John
                             \_ From the meeting minutes I couldn't
                                really figure out what the problem
                                was other than it won't boot.
                                BTW, any reason Linux was picked
                                instead of say OpenSolaris? A
                                friend of mine works on OpenSolaris,
                                I could probably get him to help w/
                                installing it, &c. over winter break.
                                The zones stuff could be useful on
                                \_ Why?  They don't want your advice, and if
                                   you are there to help, you are expected to
                                   blindly execute their wishes.  Do you
                                   really want to be their house nigger?
                                   \_ um? wow.
                 \_ If you want to create ~wierdo/sleezepit.motd in your
                    homedir, where you can slander, insult, and threaten
                    anyone your welcome to do so according to me.  The
                    CSUA motd should be a place where new students won't
                    instantly be scared off by the sheer immaturity and
                    low level of dialogue which occurs there. -mrauser
            \_ I am not suggesting that the csua will be violating any
               fundamental right by monitoring the motd; the politburo
               can implement whatever policy it desires.  However, I
               think that perhaps they should consider the fact that
               some very smart people feel that anon speech is impt.
               Re the suggestion that the motd scares people off - this
               isn't kindergarten; students admitted to cal ought to
               have sufficient critical thinking skills to identify
               inanity and ignore it (including perhaps this post).
               Some of us were ugs when the motd was far less civilized
               AND showed up by default; if we managed to survive viewing
               it on a daily basis, the current crop of kids can too.
               \- on reflection it is kind of interesting that the CSUA
                  has not passed a policy decision that "we will be nice
                  on the motd" but has directly gone to considering
                  de-anonymizing the motd ... which should make you all
                  particularly nervous ... since it seems like you are
                  essentially relying on the "chilling effect" of being
                  found out to condition behavior. ok say i call somebody
                  a dumbass and now that can be conclusively tracked back
                  to me ... am i in violation of csua policy? what policy
                  am i in violation of? does it matter if the person i am
                  calling a dumbass is not offended enough to "press charges"?
                  what if i dont call him a dumbass but give a detail point
                  by point discussion why he is wrong and this ends up
                  being far more humiliating than a "mere" ad hominem?
                  are only point-to-point insults of other sloda people
                  fair game? what if somebody discusses outsourcing of
                  programmers or back office stuff and suggests (all)
                  indians are incompetent programmers or out to use your
                  private tax info for identify theft type reasons?
                  is that grounds to piece the veil of anonymity and
                  smack somebody down? if youa re not even going to entertain
                  the notion of the smackdown, what is the point of the
                  ability to deanonymize? and if the smack down is on the
                  table, what are the grounds. the solitary grounds i can
                  think possibly for a smackdown is forging a post as
                  the danhimal iff the danimal complains. say you call
                  the poliburo "clowns", how many of the pburo would it
                  take to mount a prosecution? 1? plurality? is it not ok
                  to call them clowns in the motd, but ok on the wall?

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        \_ Please don't un-anonymous the motd, my burgeoning troll farm will
           wither. :(  -John
2005/10/3-5 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:39954 Activity:nil
10/3    A confession and an announcement. A few months ago I created
        an interface that allows other people to post on the motd.
        It actually started as a request from someone who said he
        wants to post anonymously. The membership grew to include
        two of my other friends, one who actually never even attended
        Berkeley! Yes, it was an interesting experiment. However things
        got more and more vicious and I finally shut down the interface
        last week. I also stopped posting my own trolls as well. I regret
        for posting trolls and anything mean or derogatory, and for
        allowing others to do the same. I take full responsibility.
        I will aaron myself after I copy a few files back to my
        home machine. Thanks.
        \_ Post your name when you do. -emarkp
        \_ I think it's funny that this is posted anonymously.
           \_ Not really.  What op described is a direct violation of CSUA
              policy and grounds for immediate squishing.
              \_ I'm not sure an anonymous confession is a confession at
        \_ You should be squished insofar as your interface allowed motd
           overwrites.  (If you went so far as to build it, you should have
           built it right, and it is possible.)
        \_ So, was one of yours the jblack hater guy?
        \_ You owe several people personal apologies.
2005/9/28 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:39902 Activity:high
9/28    LOOTER GUY GALLERY!             -jblack
        \_ Let me guess, he is black or Mexican, further proving your point
           that negros and beaners are inferior to you? Go. Fuck. Yourself.
           Do you want me to double the number of spam mails you have?
           Alternatively I can increase the number of fax calls and
           people who think you're a taxi driver within a week. Do
           you want that? Yes, this is a threat. I want you to go
           \_ Hi psychopath jblack hating guy.  Instead of posting long
              threats about harrassing someone, you could go to the link
              and see if you're right!
           \_ Hmmm, looking to cross some legal lines and earn yourself a
              restraining order?  I sure hope you're just pretending to be
              a nutcase, otherwise you should check your bank account.
              Lawyers for even a simple defense event are very expensive.
              You realise you're only "pseudo" anonymous with all that
              implies, right?
              \_ It's kchang, and we know it's only a matter of time before
                 he gets himself kicked off soda again, hopefully for good
                 this time.  -tom
                 \_ squish squish squish squish squish squish squish !
                 \_ I think making that sort of threat on the motd is a
                    squishable offense.  If someone with root wants to find
                    out who posted it. -jrleek
                    \_ I don't think this is a case of "wants to".  I think
                       it is long past the point of "should have already".
                       This goes back to the "fresh blood" question a few
                       weeks ago.  Why would anyone want to participate in
                       a .org that allows this sort of behavior to continue
                       \_ I would assume it's unchecked because the target
                          of abuse hasn't complained.
                       \_ We're a .edu.  Incompetent bureacracy, arbitrary
                          decision making, and patronage politics are par for
                          the course!
        \_ For those who are bothered by this, here's a more ethnically
           neutral gallery of bad guys:
2005/9/21 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:39787 Activity:nil
9/20    [deleted, just to irritate the jblack baiter] -emarkp
        \_ Wow, you've reach a new low, emarkp.     -different anon baitor
           \_ Hi anonymous troll!  At least I can spell "baiter".  -emarkp
              (And I sign my name.)
              \_ Yes holy one! I will! I will! And God Bless    -anon
2005/9/19 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:39754 Activity:high
9/19    Having fun yet, jblack? Do me a favor. Take a shower and take an
        etiquette class so that you can get yourself a girlfriend.
        Please get a fucking life and fucking stop your freeper crap.
        \_ So, what, did you delete another jblack link?
        \_ It continues to crack me up that you post this crap anonymously.  I
           may have to start posting freeper links just to irritate you.
2005/9/14 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack, Politics/Domestic/President/Reagan, Politics/Domestic/Immigration] UID:39677 Activity:very high Cat_by:auto
9/14    Justin Black (jblack) is a rapist^H^H^H^H^H^Hracist RACIST RACIST
        \_ This is fucking bullshit, and you are a fucking tool.  Asshole?
           Crazy? Anti-immigrant?  A liar? Brainwashed by the right? Sure.
           But none of that adds up to bona fide racist.
              \_ Boy, I'm convinced now.
                 \_ I assumed the links were supposed to be pointing out
                    that calling jblack a racist is a common idiotic
        \_ And water is wet and the sun is bright. Your point?
        \_ that's not illegal
           \_ I know, I just want everyone in the Bay Area to know. There's
              no place better than the tolerant Bay Area to be a KKK, racist,
              immigrant hater, SUV driver, gay & lesbian basher, Bush
              and Reagan worshippoer, a Republican.
           \_ Actually, it might be.  Isn't that libel?
        \_ Hey anonymous jblack hating guy!  Hows it ging in your sty?
              \_ Only if it's provably not true.
              \_ Maybe not. The problem is that the term "racist" doesn't
                 really carry much weight these days, everyone is a "racist".
                 Mix up Korean and Chinese - racist. Think rap isn't music,
                 The other problem may be that jblack rep is so low (not
                 really sure why, but everyone seems to hate him) that an
                 accusation of being a racist might not hurt him.
                 [ Note the other elements of libel are probably met ]
        \_ Hey anonymous jblack hating guy!  Hows it going in your sty?
           \_ My current working theory is that this is jblack himself,
              engaging in self-bashing to try and generate sympathy.
        \_ can you blame a guy for hating his surname?
           \_ Sure.
2005/9/10-12 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:39613 Activity:nil Cat_by:auto
        Read the last comment by Paul, Atlanta, USA. Hey Justin Black,
        is that your best friend from high school?
        \_ Do you mean Zachery?
           \_ They took Paul out. BBC censors!!! It was written in the
              purest jblack style, with that "It's the poor people's fault
              because they're stupid and lazy and they deserve to die" tone.
              That, followed by something to the effect of "Go Bush!"
2005/9/9-13 [Recreation/Dating, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack, Reference/Military] UID:39594 Activity:kinda low Cat_by:auto
        COMPTON--... Hipolito, his wife and his 16-year-old brother had been
        looking at CDs, passing the hour it would take for their car stereo to
        be repaired. ... two assailants had asked the brothers: Where are you
        from, what gang? The Hipolitos said they were from nowhere, no gang.
        Osiel Hipolito ... told the men: I'm in the U.S. Navy. ... Sheriff's
        officials said the Hipolitos had no connection to any gang activity ...
        Then the gunman starts shooting with a semiautomatic weapon, first at
        Hipolito, who falls to the ground, and then into the abdomen of his
        wife ...                                                -jblack
        \_ Please don't ascribe posts to me I have nothing to do with.
           This seems to be happening on a daily basis.  As if I
           even read the LA Times. -jblack
           \_ Congratulations! You finally signed your name for the first
              time ever! Tell us how it feels. Come on, don't be shy...
              \_ To paraphrase John Kerry on his life-changing secret
                 mission into Cambodia on Christmas Eve, it is a life
                 changing experience.
              \_ And you're one to talk... why? -jrleek
           \_ Justin, I find it interesting that while you signed your
              name to clarify that you're not the original poster, you make
              no attempt to reject the accusation below that you're a racist.
              Now that we're clear on your stance on race, and you seem
              darn open about it, is there anything else you'd want us
              to know about you? Do you also hate Jews and fags? How
              about these damn foreigners taking our jobs? Please respond
              to this thread, otherwise I'll take your silence as yes and yes
              about these damn foreigners taking our jobs?
              \_ I've always been told that if you get into a fight with a
                 swine, you both get dirty, but the swine likes it dirty.
                 That may or may not have anything to do about jblack's
                 reluctance to engage his attacker.  - !jblack
        \_ So it makes no difference what you say, really. They just need
           to shoot someone. I'm sure you'll get shot at no matter what.
           \_ No.  This is what you say: "It is against the law for you to
              attack me, and I am calling the police."  Remember, the police
              is there to protect you.
        \_ Yes, Justin Black ( and
 , we know that you hate nigers, beaners,
                                        I hate bad spellers _/  -!jblack
           chinks, and what not. Is there anything else you want to add?
           \_ I love how you treat this like some kind of contest between
              you and jblack to see who can be the bigger butt-hole.  Even
              more amazing is that you seem to be winning.
              \_ As long as you classify him as a butthole, I don't care
                 what you call me. Thank you. I'll worker harder from now on.
                 \_ You do realize that all you're doing it to cause some of
                    feel sympathy for jblack.
                    \_ Yes, it's called the Rove tactic. jblack knows what
                       he is doing when he insults himself. Go Bush!!!
2005/9/7-9 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:39558 Activity:nil
9/7     jblack, type "wall y" and then join with us for a deep discussion.
        Wall is like IRC group chat, except it's usually for elite sodan
        only. See you around.
2005/9/6-7 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:39529 Activity:nil
9/6     jblack, your test failed miserably. Join me and our brethren in
        the new conservative motd:
2005/8/24-25 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:39247 Activity:low
8/24    I'm usually the one deleting jblack's posts but this time I didn't
        do it. Someone else beat me to it. Justin Black, I guess you've
        exhausted our kindness and patience. I have nothing more to say
        except to wish you luck finding conservative motds somewhere else.
        You're free to post your Delaunay triangulation question on the
        Freeper site since you're such a loyal member. Take care.
        \_ Um who declared the soda motd conservative or liberal, exactly?
        \_ Woah there Putin.  Let's try to back of the censorship a bit there.
           Question restored.
           \_ When the revolution comes people who don't know what the word
              censorship means will be the first against the wall.
              \_ My friend, the revolution has already begun and to speak
                 ill of it is unpatriotic and borders on treason.
              \_ Since soda is a government resource, being selectively
                 denied use of it is a form of censorship. Especially
                 if the one doing the deleting is a government employee.
                 \_ This argument is so breathtakingly bad, it must be
                    satire.  I don't support censorship of jblack, but come
                    on...By this logic, any student denied entry to Berkeley
                    is having his rights taken away, since it is a government
                    resource he is being denied access to.
        \_ Hey, does someone want to figure out who is doing that, so I can
           laugh at them? -- ilyas
        \_ Uh, I'm not sure exactly what happened, but your information
           is mistaken -- I, not Justin Black, posted the original question.
           Sorry, if I'd realized that the identity of the poster was so
           important, I'd have signed the post.  - ciyer
2005/8/17-22 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:39158 Activity:low
8/17    Did Al Gore say it? Or was it the Unabomber?                          -jblack
        \_ Either you sign your name, or it gets deleted. Since you're so
           persistent and tried to repost the same trash at exactly 19:02,
           23:40, 23:57, so on and so forth, I've done you a favor and signed
           for you. God Bless.                                        -god
           \_ [self-deleted for further investigation] -- ilyas
           \_ Hey look politburo, root abuse! -- ilyas
           \_ when sys admins attack...
           \_ Hey look politburo, root abuse!  The only people with soda root
              I don't know are dlong, erikk and brett.  erikk hasn't been on
              since Monday.  So, ... I am fairly sure it's one of the remaining
              two who is abusing.  At least one current root agrees with me
              this kind of root usage constitutes abuse.  Incidentally, where
              are all the fuckers who were calling for my squishage due to
              motd deletions?  Cat got your tongue?  Or is this one of those
              'nuanced situations' I keep hearing about? -- ilyas
           \_ [self-deleted pending further investigation] -- ilyas
           \_ I sure hope you're not *abusing* root for something as stupid
              as the motd.  Which reminds me, just how many people have root?
              It shouldn't be more than Politburo.  With power comes
              responsibility, etc.
              \_ Arguably, it shouldn't be (all of) politburo.  Arguably,
                 not even VP _needs_ root (we've had some severely
                 non-technical VPs in the past)
              \_ I don't know, some allumni who have root are very
                 important to keeping everything running and helping out
                 new VPs.  mconst and njh come to mind.
              \_ Forgive my density, but what about the post above indicates
                 sb with root was involved? -- ulysses
              \_ It's freakin' soda, fool. Root abuse is their only perk.
                 \_ Don't be lame.  "It is soda so we have no standards" is
           \_ when sys admins attack...
              \_ It's not like FreeRepublic embraces everyone, you know.
                 \_ Which has exactly *nothing* to do with root abuse on soda.
           \_ You didn't sign your name, and I don't like what you're
              saying, AND I think you're a jerk.  Should I delete your
        \_ There's not a single mention of "internet"?  Wow.
        \_ boring
2005/8/8 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack, Politics/Domestic/RepublicanMedia] UID:39045 Activity:moderate
8/8     jblack, nice try, but no cigar. Let me give you a hint. The type and
        the duration of your command has absolutely no bearing on whether
        they're detectable or not. I CAN SEE YOU! Surprise surprise! Take
        your trash elsewhere, or better yet, sign your name and we'll
        gladly leave your trash around.
        \_ Fuck you and die, you censoring shithead.  The *reason* I hate
           fascist fucks like jblack is that I don't want them to turn America
           into the kind of country where people can't post stuff freely on
           a public message board without it being deleted by some
           self-appointed thought police.  You suck.
           \_ ironic, isnt it?  or perhaps it isn't ironic at all.  *that*
              would be ironic.  ;-)
           \_ lafeable response. ha ha.
        \_ The joke here is that, of course, the above is anonymous trash.
           \_ Those who have the power determine what is trash and
              what is not. You sir, have no power on soda.
              \_ Huh, there's a power structure on soda?
                 Does r00t get all the ladies / himbos?
        \_ I have no idea why jblack is even bothering to try to hide his
           name.  AFAIK he's the only one here who reads freerepublic, so
           everyone knows it's him posting anyway.  On the other hand,
           from jblack's point of view, this censorship campaign has to be
           the best thing ever.  It's making 'liberals' look like
           hypocritical dickheads WAY more effectively than those
           freerepublic posts ever did.
           \_ There's one stupid person waging this pointless war.  It doesn't
              reflect on anyone other than that fucktard.
              \_ I find that to be typical. One person's posts often get
                 needlessly characterized as some sort of contingent. Just
                 like the anti-Arab frothing after 9/11.
           \_ I read freerepublic almost every day -moderate/liberal
              \_ Really?  Why?  I've never seen much there that couldn't
                 be found easier someplace else with less drivel.  Unless,
                 of course, you go becuase you think the drivel is funny.
                 \_ I knew a guy who lived in Lothlorien who used to get
                    incredibly stoned, pig out on vegan snacks, and troll
                    Freerepublic for hours at a time. --lye
                 \_ I got the link from there.
                    But yeah, mostly I look up "wedge" issues just to see how
                    freepers handle it.  It is true ... if there's one thing
                    I've learned, these folks are very black/white.  They get
                    confused by things like Roberts' pro-bono pro-gay work,
                    Peter Jennings dying, and Dubya pandering for the
                    Latino vote.
2005/8/6-8 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack, Politics/Domestic/Immigration] UID:39024 Activity:high
8/6     DeLay: Round Up Illegal Immigrants,50
        \_ Look Justin, I don't know why you keep posting stuff from
           freerepublic, but it's getting pretty annoying. And if you
           want to deny it, you can't, because I clocked you editting
           files that match with contents on motd. Nice try hiding
           your identity, but you can't match our root power. Fuck off.
                   jblack Justin Black BG Sat 00:51 ( vi immigration )
                   jblack BG 55665 0:00.03 sec vi immigration
                   jblack BG 55665 0:00.01 sec cp immigration
                   \- what exactly are yoy unhappy about? i agree it seems
                      leem to mask the website but people are free to post
                      as often as they want, short of some kind of denial of
                      service level of churn and they are welcome to seek
                      anonymity just like you are free to post your evidence
                      "outing" him. how much trouble is it to not go to the
                      web site? isnt this sort of the "gay marriage in CA
                      ruins my boy-girl marriage in IA" type thinking?
                      sometimes closing your eyes is a reasonable answer.
                      i recommend seeking him out and deliver a beating
                      if you dont like him. --psb
                      if you dont like him.
                      \_ The number and persistence of the swiftboat trolls
                         during the election was borderline spam. -!pp
                         \_ Why hasn't jblack signed form 180?  What is he
              \_ What are you using your mighty root powers to prove that
                 jblack posted a freerepublic link?  We all know it was
                 him anyway, no one else here even seems to read
                 freerepublic.  Why don't you use your mightly powers to
                 find the guy who keeps replacing links with porn or the
                 guy who keeps signing other people's names to posts?
                 jblack is harmless.
           \_ jblack ttyBG Sat Aug  6 00:51 - 00:53  (00:01)
              Actually you don't need to use the root power (yet). Just
              look at the login log, if he logs in for less than 5 min,
              cross reference with the motd log, and you'll see a pattern.
              After getting caught using motdedit, he's been doing clever
              things to avoid detection, but everything can be traced, if you
              are willing to work a little bit harder. And if jblack starts
              spamming, by all means, use the force^H^H^H^H^Hroot. You have
              my endorsement.
              \_ The 'endorsement' of some random to abuse use root heap
                 abuse on a member because you disagree with their political
                 philosophy and want to silence them?  Yeah, great.  Thanks
                 for doing your part to make the world a better place.
                 \_ logical, soft spoken liberals like you is the reason why
                    the conservatives are winning. It's time we take a
                    more hardcore approach like the conservatives and fight
                    fire with fire. Freeper censors? So can we. Freeper
                    uses immature (and SUCCESSFUL) tactics? So can we.
                    We are at WAR with the conservatives, damnit and we
                    will use whatever arsenal we have.
                    \_ Uhm, no.  Get some perspective.  This is the motd.
                       You're "at WAR" (sheesh).  The guy posts a freeper
                       link with a 1 line comment a few times a week.  If
                       that sort of "hardcore approach" is too much for you,
                       I suggest you "fight fire with fire" and post a link
                       to the democraticunderground site with a 1 line
                       comment a few times a week.  That'll show that "we"
                       can use "immature (and SUCCESSFUL) tactics" as well!
                       Then at some point (after you've gotten some
                       perspective) you can explain how a few freeper links
                       is so threatening *and* "SUCCESSFUL" to the point that
                       you would have to do something *HIGHLY UNETHICAL* like
                       _abuse_ root privs.  All this entire thread tells me is
                       the CSUA seems to have too many people with root.  "We"
                       don't support abusing root on a CSUA machine in a weak
                       attempt to somehow advance *your* childish "WAR".  Get
                       some perspective.  The CSUA does not need a reputation
                       as the place where the kiddies are playing with root to
                       abuse each other.  That's a great way to kill the CSUA.
                    \_ I concur.  We are on the road to civil war, and it's
                       time to prepare for the fight.
                    \- defenders of the liberal faith who worry about some
                       doofus on the motd while the xtian fundamentalists
                       are keeping their eye on the ball is why "conservatives
                       are winning" (well that is not why, but it is a more
                       valid criticism than charges of being "soft" in the
                       context of the motd ... i fully support calling people
                       liars or incompetents etc rather than saying toning
                       down say public debates about the iraq war etc).
                       \_ So you support or don't support abusing root to
                          serve a highly questionable non-CSUA purpose?
                    \_ To paraphrase, conservatives are winning because
                       liberals are dumb. -- ilyas
                       \_ "Conservatives" aren't winning, idiots are winning.
                          It's hard to argue rationally with a cretinous thug,
                          no matter what your political persuasion is.  -John
                          \_ I think the only cretinous thugs in this exchange
                             are the root-abusing idiots.  jblack didn't do
                             anything wrong, he is just hated.  Anyways, I
                             support removing everyone not currently a student
                             from root@csua, like poster above. -- ilyas
                             \_ No, jblack's barrage of fr garbage is very much
                                "cretinous".  It's pointless, uninformative,
                                vitriolic shit in the form of teasing.  I don't
                                care what his viewpoints are.  Post something
                                that is not vitriolic shit and we'll talk.  As
                                for abusing root, well, yes.  -John
                                \_ The guy posts a few random links a week to
                                   a site run by the extreme right wing.  So
                                   what?  That's hardly a barrage and compared
                                   to the rest of the wall/motd is one of the
                                   least offensive posters here.  Abusing
                                   root privs is far more disturbing and
                                   disruptive than any amount of random posts
                                   of any sort by anyone.
                                \_ Whatever.  By this standard, the vast
                                   majority of the motd is like this, without
                                   any help from external sources.  By your
                                   definition, 'cretinous thugs' have won on
                                   the motd and wall long ago, or rather, I
                                   rarely if ever saw either place rise
                                   far above FR levels.  Honestly, have we been
                                   reading the same motd all this time? -- ilyas
                                   \_ No, not "whatever".  At least you (a)
                                      sign your posts, and (b) have some sort
                                      of contributory logic to your political
                                      argumentation (i.e. links and arguments
                                      that you post have _some_ intrinsic value
                                      as you seem to have put some thought into
                                      them instead of just spewing shit, even
                                      if it's usually wrongthink--for example,
                                      I find your generalizations about
                                      "liberals" to be disappointing and below
                                      what I would expect from you.)
                                      By my definition, "cretinous thugs" are
                                      rampant on the motd and wall, alongside
                                      a lot of other stuff.  -John
                                   \_ Ilyas, I hate to pull out an old cliche,
                                      but "pot, kettle, black."  You are one of
                                      the biggest shit-disturbers around.
                                      \_ Uh, in that case almost every motd
                                         poster is a shit-disturber.  I don't
                                         think I have ever trolled for the sake
                                         of trolling, believe it or not.
                                           -- ilyas
                       \- ^dumb^hedonists
                       \_ "Evil will always triumph over good, because good is
                           dumb." --Lord Dark Helmet
                    \_ "I would remind you that extremism in the defense of
                       liberty is no vice.  And let me remind you also that
                       moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue."
                       \_ So posting a few freeper links is going to harm
                          or even eliminate liberty in this country?  If
                          liberty were so fragile it would have no value.
                          Again: get perspective.
                       \- a lot of these conservatives are energized to
                          extremely curtail the liberty to vices such as
                          assmastery, while giving a pass to a moderate amount
                          of torture or invading a country on false pretenses.
                          \_ "nothing prepares the way for tyranny more than
                             the failure of public officials to keep the
                             streets safe from bullies and marauders".
                             \_ And from assmasters.  -John
                    \_ You're starting to sound like a communist revolutionary.
                       You also assign far too much importance to these tactics
                       and too little importance to the likability of actual
                       candidates. Kerry almost won, so did Gore, and I think
                       a lot of people would agree that, well, they both had
                       character/image "issues". They also had an unclear
                       platform, basically health care plans and "we're not
2005/7/30-8/2 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:38892 Activity:moderate
7/30    Why isn't jblack posting stupid Republican propagandas anymore? Did
        one of you left-wing-nuts threaten him?
        \_ Isn't of harassing him on the motd, how about you send him an
           email and ask why he doesn't enjoy being harassed by the nutters
           on the motd?
           \_ "nutters" eh? That is an ironic turn of a phrase.
           \_ Of course he enjoys that. He is a troll.
        \_ Why ask why. He is an anonymous coward, an annoying one I may add
           \_ jblack is an anonymous coward?  Do you know what 'anonymous'
              means? -- ilyas
              \_ jblack was "outed" by motdwatchers; he didn't sign his posts
                 himself. hence the anonymous coward tag.
                 \_ Yes, yes, but now that he is outed, he isn't anonymous now,
                    is he? -- ilyas
                    \_ once an anon coward, alwayn an anon coward. At least
                       emarkp signs his name and stands by his opinions,
                       jblack posts something and refuses to answer our
                       questions. Now, I'll sign my name.   -anon coward #99
                       \_ You are the lowest form of motd life. -- ilyas
                    \_ The expression in question is "anonymous coward."
                       From Wikipedia: "'A.C.' is a term applied within
                       some online communities to describe users who post
                       without a handle [...]." It has to do with how one
                       chooses to post, not whether or not one is actually
                       able to maintain his/her anonymity.
2005/7/30-8/2 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack, Reference/BayArea] UID:38888 Activity:moderate
7/30    Almost without fail, whenever I tell people outside of the Bay
        Area that I graduated from Berkeley I get a brunt of hippie/
        tree-hugger jokes.  Has Berkeley always been known for this or is
        this a result from the 60's/ 70's movements?  Was it always liberal
        or did it lack a theme before? (i.e. UCI)
                                        \_ I think you meant e.g.
        \_ I think they're singling you out for hassling on this subject for
           some other reason.  I still find that the Berkeley name is equated
           with top-notch hard science in the minds of most people.  What's
           really annoying is all the fuckers on the east coast who'll assume
           you went to Berkeley school of music in New York.
           you whent to Berkeley school of music in New York.
                       \_ ^Berkeley^Berklee.
                          \_ and ^New York^Boston
        \_ Maybe you need a haircut.
        \_ I got a lot of this in SoCal and the mid-west, but I've been
           working w/ the same community so long that it turned into more
           of a ritual tease than anything. Just as I acted surprised if they
           ever had a pleasant day weather-wise or knew anything about
           culture. :-)  Oh, and it might've been my various combinations
           of sandals, beard, or ponytail.
        \_ Went to Texas on business last week, and a colleague from West
           Virginia actually asked, "Are you one of them liberals?"
           \_ HA HA HA. So what's your response, and what's a good response?
              \_ I think the normal response is, "No! Please don't hurt
           \_ When I read things like that, a little part of me dies and
              I realize someone like Bush will be President for a long long
           \_ jblack is from Virginia. Justin, wanna say something? I didn't
              think so.
2005/7/22-25 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:38778 Activity:nil
7/22    I'm bored and depressed and I need my dosage of idiocy on motd to
        cheer me up. jblack, please come back and post something stupid, I
        promise to not make fun of you this time. Thanks.
        \_ Why don't you just go to freerepublic?
2005/7/16-18 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:38662 Activity:nil
7/16    I hate to say this but if troll is defined as the ratio between
        how much you post and how much response you get, then jblack is
        the MASTER OF TROLLER. For every line of pro-Bush troll he posts,
        there are literally hundreds of responses. I salute to you,
        jblack. You are the MASTER OF TROLLER. You rule.
        \_ I call bullshit on that.  He's been posting his freeper trash and
           lies about John Kerry for ages, and the vast majority of it is
           ignored.  The flame-froth generator in this case is whatever liberal
           has recently got a bug up his ass about jblack's trash and is
           actually starting to post rants in response.
2005/7/13-14 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:38603 Activity:low
7/13    Just out of curiosity, who's the fanatic motd spammer?  I'm not so
        interested in the politics of it, but it just somehow reminds me of the
        random guy in SF yelling about UFOs.  -John
        \_ finger jblack!
           \_ Yeah, I have, and his .plan is one of someone who's very, uh,
              convinced, but it doesn't indicate total insane wacko.  -John
        \_ 12 GALAXIES!!
        \_ According to Tom Holub they are jblack, reiffin, crebbs, and ecchang
        \_ [Don't name random names if you don't know what you're talking
           about.  Thanks.]
2005/7/12 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:38582 Activity:nil
7/12    If you are going to delete all replies to your Freeper links,
        I am going to delete your links.
2005/7/12-14 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:38576 Activity:nil
7/12    What You Don't Know About Guantanamo Bay And What the MSM
        Won't Tell You: (freeper link)
        \_ The silence is a bit deafening about the three senators who visited
           gitmo and said it's run very well.
        \_ Spin spin spin little Freeper. I notice you still haven't
           commented on your favorite traitor Rove.
2005/7/12 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:38565 Activity:nil
7/12    So is it too early to talk about what the appropriate punishment
        for Karl Rove would be? Do they still hang traitors in wartime?
        I sure would love to see that fat bastard dancing at the end
        of a rope. How about you jblack, you seem to be a patriotic
        guy. What do you think an appropriate punishment for Rove
        would be?
2005/7/11 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:38537 Activity:nil
7/11    Truth about Laura Bush:                [jblack]
2005/7/11-12 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:38536 Activity:nil 66%like:38512
7/5     Real lesson of Vietnam                                          [jblack]
        \_ uh oh, looks like our Red Neck Republican jblack figured out
           how to post anonymously. FEAR!!!
        \_ Attack the article, not the person if you have any honor.
           \_ "if you have any honor" (unlikely on the motd)
2005/7/11-12 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:38528 Activity:nil
7/11    Dear Freeper Guy: When you piss all over the motd with ip address
        based links, we still know its you.
        \_ It's "it's", concat of "it is", you stupid LIBERAL.
           \_ Hi jblack.  You have issues.  Really.  Seek help.
2005/7/11 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack, Recreation/Humor] UID:38527 Activity:nil
        Funny comic                                                     [jblack]
        \_ immature not so funny conservative comics to be deleted
2005/7/11-12 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:38526 Activity:nil
7/11    Hey, jblack have you ever seen a psychologist? I think you
        might have OCD.
        \_ Hi lye.  Are you a stalker?  -not jblack
           \_ Hi "not jblack."  I didn't post the above, but thanks for asking!
              Smooches! --lye
              \_ Oh sorry.  I was using the infallible Kais MOTD diff
2005/7/11-12 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:38514 Activity:nil
7/10    Nope. Sorry jblack. No post for you until you answer our questions.
        \_ Please email me at
           I am a Republican and I hate immigrants, nigers, and chinks. You're
           free to disagree with me but I think you libUral fuckers should
           just go fuck yourselves. You guys lost, get over it.
           God Bless. -jblack
        \_ Go fuck yourself, censor. -!jblack
        \_ Yes, and don't you believe the Dear MOTD Readers should be allowed
           to decide that for themselves?  -John
        \_ Pathetic, small-minded herd animal. -- ilyas
        \_ I like how you figure the way to show jblack how to be
           intelligent and well-reasoned is to be an even bigger flaming
           jerk.  You = teh awesome!
           \_ come on, where's your sense of being a Republican? Let's use
              his logic on himself-- jblack's opinion differs from that of
              mainstream motd and spreads dissent, therefore, he is a motd
              terrorist who has no right to speak. Since he's a motd
              terrorist, let's torture and humiliate jblack for a while like
              what we're doing in Guantanamo Bay. Maybe we can even extract
              useful information. Bring it on. God Bless.
              \_ And if someone does something *really* devastating to the
                 motd, we can always invade OCF.
                 \_ good one! :)
        \_ I don't understand how you think that selective censorship
           makes your point. Let jblack post his Freeper posts, they do
           more to discredit him than anything you could possibly say. -ausman
2005/7/10-12 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:38507 Activity:nil
7/10    So why are all the popular right wing blogs either blocked for
        comments, or closed to new members, while all the popular
        moderate and lefty blogs allow comments?
        \_ Because rightwingers hate freedom.
        \_ Yeah, please tell us why, jblack. Why don't you ever respond to us?
           \_ Why does this matter to you so much?
        \_ Because there are many more immature lefty flamebaiters.
           \_ Have you ever perused free republic?  If I ran a right-wing blog,
              I wouldn't want those children posting on my site either.
              \_ The Free Republic is the worst censor of the bunch.
2005/7/8-9 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:38489 Activity:low
7/8     It's been a while since the freeper guy posted anything. Where
        is he and why isn't he trolling?
        \_ The freeper guy is dead.  Long live jblack.
2005/7/5 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:38420 Activity:nil
7/5     Oh cool, an old motd.  jblack go censor crazy or something?
        \_ Huh?
        \_ Maybe it's because I used the word VAGINA! -- ilyas
           \_ Huh?
2005/6/29-30 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:38350 Activity:moderate
6/30    WTF is the fucking motd politics censor doing back? Get a life.
        \_ I'm deleting ALL of jblack's stuff because he is such an ass,
           first masquerading freeper sites with IP, then trolling anti
           anti-Bush trolls with his trolls, then ignoring questions
           I ask him. I will deny EVERY single one of jblack's posts,
           regardless of the content. Fuck you Justin Black, you are now
           on the Black List.
           \_ I second that, fuck you jblack, FUCK OFF.
           \_ No, fuck YOU! The reason I hate jblack, and the reason I feel the
              need to keep argueing against the ideas posed by his kind is that
              I think that if people like that are not fought our country will
              fall into tyranny--the kind of tyranny where a bunch of cal
              alums can't just get together on the motd and bitch about
              politics for fear of censorship.  But now it is YOU who has turned
              this into the University of PyongYang CSUA motd.
              politics for fear of censorship.  But now it is YOU who has
              turned this into the University of PyongYang CSUA motd.
              \_ Seconded. All the censors need to fuck off. As far as I can
                 tell, jblack's posts are limited in quantity and only annoy
                 you by their content. The ip thing I don't think is an issue
                 (it's obvious from the "f-news/posts" or whatever), I'd be
                 surprised if it's actually meant to hide anything (tinyurl
                 would work better). So basically you're just being an idiot.
           \_ damn. at least sign if you're so vitriolic.
           \_ You also deleted my post, and nothing in that thread was posted
              by jblack.  Am I hated too?  Please, pretty please? -- ilyas
              \_ If so, it's by strange people, as you're one of the more
                 lucid (although often mistaken) posters here. :)  -John
                 \_ Oh yeah!?  Well a sub still can't torch a carrier group!
                    There, I said it. -- ilyas
                    \_ OK, that lacked both lucidity and correctness.  Sorry
                       to keep harping on Soviet tech, but as far as I recall
                       the entire point of the Antyey/Type 949 series was
                       to waste CBGs.  Look up SS-N-19 or SS-N-22 for details
                       (hint: large explosions).  -John
                        \_ You mean CVBGs
                       \_ I'll just throw this out, because I have
                          evidence to back it up, but my understanding is
                          that Chinese Nuke sub tech isn't very good, and
                          we know where all of them are.
           \_ Oh let jblack have his fun. Do you really think posting
              Freeper links helps bring people around to his side? -ausman
              \_ I made a point of donating to the Kerry campaign whenever he
                 posted his fucking lies about Kerry on the motd (or at least
                 every fifth time or so)
2005/6/19-22 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:38190 Activity:nil
6/19    jblack, tell us a little bit about yourself. Why did you vote for
        George W Bush, and what are some Republican values you like and
        dislike? Also, tell us what you think about Bush's War. Was it a
        right decision, and has it made US and the world safer? Lastly,
        what do you think about gays, lesbians, and immigrants? Curious.
2005/6/7-8 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack, Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:37998 Activity:high
6/7     Los Alamos Whistleblower Beaten
        Similar to the whisteblower on Loral / Clinton
        \_ Wow, freepers are blaming it on Clinton... amazing...
        \_ Obligatory snort of derision at use of freeper link.
           \_ The photos at top were worth it.
              Do the Liberal Elite always snort with derision at freeper links?
              \_ The photos are available elsewhere as well.  Any sane person
                 should snort with derision at freeper links.
        \_ Wow, the Bush goons will stop at nothing to cover up evidence
           of their wrongdoing. I love how the Freeper all try to pin
           it on the "unions." Are there even unions at Los Alamos?
           \_ Are you a dumb liberal?  You sound like one.
              The likely culprit is one or two specific Los Alamos employees
              -- identities unknown.
              Remember Los Alamos was the place where two workers were put on
              investigative leave for misusing government credit cards (one
              had spent $30K on a customized Ford Mustang) to a total of $900K.
                \_ Go check your facts.  This was how it was reported but is
                   not the truth.  Of course your media won't report the truth.
              Later in 2002 two other people in LANL bldg maintenance were
              accused by 5 co-workers for using LANL funds to buy camping
              equipment, GPS tools, a picnic table and lawn chairs, etc. for
              their own use.
              University of California oversees LANL, so possesses blame for
              allowing the situation to get to the point where someone hires
              thugs to fuck up the whistleblower.
              Whether or not a union is involved, well, that's just freeper
              \_ Which is exactly why it's really lame to post a freeper link
                 when the info is available just about everywhere else.
              \_ This is a Federal Lab, therefore funded and under control
                 of Federal authorities. When did "The Buck Stops Here"
                 go out of fashion?
                 go out of fashion? Are you a brainwashed Bushbot?
                 You sure sound like one.
                 \_ Step back Troll!  I have a +5 Flaming Sword & Oil Flasks!!1
                    \_ Hey, I am giving an eye for an eye.
                    \_ Hey, I am just giving an eye for an eye.
2005/6/1-3 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:37911 Activity:low
6/1     Come on jblack, why do you keep deleting this? Why don't you
        explain why you keep posting stuff from freerepublic and
        insist on changing the URL back to IP addresses?
        \_ Who the fuck is jblack anyway? -dans
           \_ Swiftboat troll, freeper troll, and anti-immigrant WND troll.
              \_ What era?  I'm trying to figure out why I can't place him in
                 my mental map of CSUA history. -dans
                 \_ He never went to Cal as an undergrad. He's a grad student.
                    \_ Right, but what era?  Is he a current grad student?
                       What department?  Is he a grad student from days of
                       yore?  Heckling minds want to know -dans
                          Apparently he's kind of shy and refuses to reply.
                          \_ That's okay, I'm an equal opportunity heckler.
        \_ tell us about your childhood as a Red Neck Republican in Virginia
2005/5/15-17 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:37698 Activity:nil
5/15    Justin Black, please expand all freeper URLs instead of using IPs.
        Until you do that, I'm deleting all of your stuff.
        \_ % finger jblack
           I'm confused. There are a lot of Clinton bashing, Reagan
           worshipping trash, mixed with quotes that point out why private
           land ownership is bad, mixed with why gun control is bad.
           Who the hell is Justin Black?
2005/3/17 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:36735 Activity:nil
3/17    Quiz from Discovery Channel:
        According to FBI, arrest records indicate that the typical terrorist
        is a:
        a) black
        b) white
        c) Hispanic
        d) Asian
        e) Homosexual
        Which one is the right answer?
        \_ According to NIH records, which ethnic group has the shortest
           life expectancy for males?
           a) black
           b) white
           c) Hispanic
           d) asian.
        \_ Asians don't commit crimes. It's the fucking black dude.
        \_ Averaged across all of the US? Quite possibly white (especially
           given that whites are still well in the majority nation-wide). But,
           given the kind of points you're likely trying to make -- is that
           really the question you want to be asking?
           \_ You're getting it.  I'm trying to illustrate a certain point by
              posting this question.  Let's see who gets it.  -- OP
              \_ Gets what?  That you're probably a racist fuck with a
                 hardline agenda and little understanding or desire to
                 understand the underlying social issues driving the
                 phenomenon on which your superficial interpretation of
                 carefully gathered tidbits of information is based?  I
                 think that was pretty obvious from the outset.  Maybe I'm
                 wrong, and you're not the freeper-storm bastard I think
                 you are -- if that's the case I'll even apologize and have
                 the good grace to feel like a knee-jerk over reacting fool
                 ....but I don't think I'm wrong.
        \_ Proportionally speaking, the answer is (a)!
           In absolute numbers, the answer is (b)!
           To complete the (factual) troll:  (d) is always the smallest!
                                             \_ not in China
2005/3/9-10 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack, Transportation/Car/RoadHogs] UID:36600 Activity:low 75%like:36642
3/9     This Friday: Berkeley Critical Mass 12th Birthday ride! Party after.
        \_ When are they going to start the protest where they ride around
           throwing maltov cocktails at SUVs?  I'd go to that.
           throwing molotov cocktails at SUVs?  I'd go to that.
           \_ Gasoline to $2.50 by summer.  About half of the necessary $5.
              \_ So maltov cocktails are half-off, what's the problem?
              \_ So molotov cocktails are half-off, what's the problem?
           \_ what's maltov coctails?
                \_ Molotov.  Glass bottle with gasoline inside and a burning
                   rag which is thrown.  Standard rioter equipment.
                   \_ Named after Russian Foreign Mister Vyacheslav
                      Mikhailovich Molotov. Used by the Finns to stop
                      the Russian advance into Finland during the 1940
                      border war. Used by partisans and freedom fighters
                      worldwide, as well as rioters.
                   \_ I was personally sad that no one threw a molotov at
                      W's limo during the inauguration. If 100 brave Liberals
                      threw them then they'd surely make a statement. However,
                      I guess Liberals are just whining chickens. Yeah, a
                      bunch of pussies.            -disillusioned Freeper
                      \_ d00d, security was a bitch.  If you could throw
                         a molotov, you could throw a satchel bomb.
                         security screenings took everything including fruit,
                         so the most you could throw was a snowball
                         \_ and yet, no one even spitted at or threw a
                            snowball. They had this stupid "Turn your back
                            on Bush" crap which no media even showed. At least
                            during the first inauguration someone threw fruits
                            \_ snowball was thrown; if you spit, you had to
                               hock your loogie over the two-row deep line
                               of police
                               \_ If mamby-pamby liberuls chewed like real
                                  men, they could do it.
                                  \_ Hey, wait... can you chew marijuana?
        \_ speaking of tools and cranks.
2005/3/3 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:36506 Activity:moderate
3/2     [troll about troll re-deleted re-deleted]
           _ ouve eve ere ave y
            O UCTE YSEISRETH.
2005/2/20 [Politics, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack, Computer/SW] UID:36337 Activity:nil
2/20    Want to talk about politics? Go to freep or other web sites. jwang,
        you're slacking off and you owe me one.
        \_ Fuck your momma, asshole.
2005/2/15-16 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack, Recreation/Humor] UID:36189 Activity:kinda low
2/15    Funniest thing I have seen in a long time:
        I can't tell if he is serious or not...
        \_ I've posted that a million times before on the motd, and it gets
           deleted every time.  What makes you so special?
           \_ The secret is to post it with a freeper troll, so the motd
              censor feels self-righteous and deletes the obvious bait
              and leaves the other one alone.
2005/1/20 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:35807 Activity:high
1/20    I noticed a sharp drop in motd activities after 1/10. Less political
        trolls, esp. Anything significant happened after that date?
        \_ Freeper guy signed up for reserve duty and got shipped
           to Iraq painting smiley faces on cluster bomblets.
        \_ Some misguided soul started deleting anything vaguely political.
           Fortunately, that person seems to have given up.
2004/10/21 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:34276 Activity:nil
10/21   Thank you for the carpet bomb, freeper troll!  Can we have another?
2004/10/17-18 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:34177 Activity:nil
10/16   Freeper Link Storm Detected on Soda
2004/6/8 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:30663 Activity:very high
6/8     To those who say all freeper links are trash, I really appreciated
        the D-Day freeper link a couple days ago.  Freeper troll:  If you
        post more interesting links that aren't just right-wing frothing,
        maybe people won't delete them.  - liberal, not a censor.
        \_ I am also a non-censoring liberal who often reads the freeper links.
           I think the most annoying thing about the links is their lack of
           explanation when posted to the motd.  Most freeper links are
           really just cut and pasted from some other source.  Why not say
           "  [reprint of
           editorial from LA times] or something?
           \_ I'd really like to see stuff of the form:
               LA Times story on how $LIBERAL is a $ADJECTIVE $NOUN"
              rather than just "<DEAD>"<DEAD> which looks
              just like a spam URL.
              \_ See, if you're just going to repost an article from the LA
                 Times, why not link directly to the LA Times?  Post a link to
                 the content, not a link to a link to the content.  If you're
                 trying to highlight the Freeper debate, then say so when you
                 post your link to it.
2004/3/25 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:12860 Activity:nil
3/25    Why is the freep down?  Was it the liberals?
        \_ Its been installed on the new Mars probe.  Freep couldn't find
           any intelligent life on Earth, so its continuing its mission
2004/3/3 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:12496 Activity:nil
3/3     Jesus, Freeper Guy, why not just put a link to free republic's main
        site and caption it, "DEAR GOD!  THE LIBRULS ARE RUINING THE COUNTRY,
        OH WOE!"  and save the space.
        \_ I think he's doing a fine job. Seeing those links day after day,
           I'm converted. Hey Freeper, what do we do about this shit? Should
           I buy a firearm and sign up somewhere? Lead us! -freeper #1 fan
2004/2/21 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:12340 Activity:nil
2/22    <freeper anonymous lover's idiots list deleted>    - hamc
2004/1/29 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:11994 Activity:nil
        \_ We are the knights who say "FREEP!  FREEP!  FREEP!"
2003/6/20 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:28786 Activity:nil 80%like:28791
6/20    I've narrowed down the censorer(s) to: jblack and rory.  Anybody
        else can confirm?
        \_ rory, you fucker! - danh
           \_ are you kidding me? Is this a joke? Everybody knows its
              jwang anyway.             - rory
        \_ I'm neither of those two nor the culprit, but does it really
           matter that much to you who's censoring the motd?
           \_ yes
              \_ this motd will self-destruct in 5 seconds.
        \_ If you kill me, I will only become stronger than you can imagine.
2003/2/7-8 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:27347 Activity:moderate
2/7     Who the fuck is ecchang?
        \_ Login: ecchang                          Name: Eric Chang ~{VY;T~}
Directory: /home/sequent/ecchang        Shell: /usr/local/bin/ksh
On since Fri Feb  7 08:46 (PST) on ttyCE from
On since Thu Feb  6 20:52 (PST) on ttyE5, idle 1:58, from
Mail last read Fri Feb  7 09:11 2003 (PST)
No Plan.
        \_ I thought it's who the fuck is aubie?
                \_ woof
        \_ ooooh. don't fuck with ksh users.
           \_ the real question is, what relationship does he have to the CSUA
              and why does he troll the MOTD
        \_ Hey, did you fall for my "You have new mail." trick?
              \_ It's none of your fucking business what connection he has.
                 Just because someone doesn't show at every fucking donut run
                 or never posted a stupid haiku on the wall doesn't mean he
                 doesn't have the *same* right to be here that you do.  Who
                 the fuck are *you* and what "relationship" do *you* have with
                 the CSUA and why do *you* troll the MOTD?  Asshole. -!ecchang
                 \_ My relationship with the CSUA is as a long-time
                    participant and two-time VP.  How about you?
                    And while he might have the same right as me to be
                    here (though if he's not at Berkeley or even in the
                    Bay Area, that may be questionable), it certainly seems
                    odd that someone would spend time trying to annoy people
                    in an organization he has never had any contact with.
                    Don't you think?  -tom
                    \_ it's a good thing you're justified in annoying the
                       piss out of absolutely everyone. congratulations.
                    \_ I don't recall there being a requirement in the bylaws
                       or constitution that one maintain a continuous personal
                       relationship that you, Tom, would approve of in order
                       to maintain one's access to soda/csua.  As a two-time
                       VP, you should know that, shouldn't you?  And who are
                       you to judge participation?  He's here on the motd being
                       a participant.  Are we all required to only discuss
                       football on wall and bike riding events on the motd?  Is
                       it policy that anything *you* find annoying is annoying
                       to the whole group?  Who died and made you God?  Since
                       it seems to matter to you for some silly reason, I've
                       been around longer than you although I haven't had the
                       obviously distinguished honor of being a two-time VP.
                       Perhaps in another life I'll be as important as you and
                       shall have earned the right to participate in a manner
                       you find acceptable and maybe if I'm really lucky, I'll
                       even be able to erase anything from the motd I find of
                       no personal interest to me in the name of keeping the
                       trolls off the motd.  Or more likely, you'll grow old
                       and look back and realise you were a young man full of
                       himself and a lot of hot air worrying too much about
                       trivia while life passed you by....  I pity you.
                        \_ ah yes, "life," like posting freerepublic links
                           anonymously in a forum that no one I know reads.
                           I should take lessons.  -tom
                    \_ Damn, that's the thanks I get for frequently giving
                       you a helping hand when you get bitch slapped
                       around on the motd.  -ecchang
2003/1/17 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Kinney] UID:27130 Activity:nil
1/16    Is there more than one free republic guy on soda, or has Kinney
        just changed his methodology?  Seriously, how many of you are
        I'm a freeper:
        I read articles when they're posted: .
        I hate Free Republic:
2002/11/8 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack, Computer/HW] UID:26471 Activity:insanely high
11/7    As expected, the pc thread was killed once I posted a history of
        the term that suggested 1) its origin was leftist-communist, and
        2) it was originally used in earnest by the lefties.  Well done,
        \_ Uhh, I think the thread's demise has more to do with the fact
           that it was long and stupid.  It's not always about 'left' or
           'right' son.  Sorry, no cookie.
           \_ Your self-assuredness belies the meaninglessness of your
              \_ Your engrish betrays the depth of your foolishness.
           \_ Maybe for other threads but not when it comes to *anything*
              politically on the motd.  As soon as the left starts looking
              stupid (takes about 6 minutes) the thread get purged.  This
              is 100% consistent over time but you already knew that.  Why
              pretend otherwise?  Truth is the enemy of the left.  --!op
              \_ You just keep telling yourself that. All those Freeper
                 posts make the left look silly and weak, too.
                 \_ The freepers are insane and not a part of any serious
                    political discussion.  If you want to call the freepers
                    "the right" then I'm going to dig up and post the idiotic
                    left's version of the same idiocy and pin that on you as
                    the typical left.  I think the freeper poster is some
                    lefty crank troll.  --conservative
                    \_ the main freeper poster is reiffin, who is a crank troll
                       but probably not a lefty.  -tom
           \_ Maybe.  However, the person who purged the pc thread also
              purged a howard stern reference in another post, which
              makes it more likely that the pc thread was killed for,
              well, pc reasons. -op
              \_ Maybe you are just a paranoid freak with a persecution
                 complex. Everyone has their posts occasionally overwritten,
                 hence the frequent requests for people to use "me" to edit
                 the motd.
2002/8/27-28 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack, Academia/GradSchool] UID:25704 Activity:high
8/27    What is up with the strike?
        \_ Yeah, but what does FreeRepublic have to say about it?
        \_ I don't think the owners are going to make a deal with the players.
2002/6/5 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:24977 Activity:high
6/3     Motd rating:
        Inverse relevance rating:       5/10
        Percent threads infected by yermom:     4/13
        Freeper rant rating:            0/10
        You're an idiot replies:        1/13
        URL inclusions                  12/13
        Overall                 Satisfactory performance, but room
                                for improvement.
        \_ Uhm, excuse me, but uh, fuck yourself.  Thanks!
           \_ ah yes.  Self importance  8/10
              \_ Not self important.  You're wrong.  Still, go fuck yourself.
                 \_ Self importance is exactly how it comes across.
        \_ the motd is useless. we all know this.
                \_ Yeah, but it's a useful sort of useless.
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