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| 2009/2/19-21 [Politics/Domestic/Immigration, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:52603 Activity:nil |
2/19 Motd has been boring lately. Where is jblack's "fuck immigrants"
and "self reliance" freeper drivels? |
| 2008/12/18-28 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:52275 Activity:nil |
12/18 Whatever happened to the freeper guy(s) on motd? No more
pro war and Obama mellon jokes?
\_ jblack has moved on to yellower pastures.
\_ Oh, like the NYT? |
| 2008/11/25-28 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:52105 Activity:nil |
11/25 I miss jblack's freeper posts. Please come back jblack! |
| 2008/11/5 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:51846 Activity:high |
11/5 Courtesy of jblack (Obama loves KFC):
http://chappyreport.blogspot.com/2008/11/obama-kfc-promo-5-pieces-of-chicken.html
\_ Watching you have a heart attack is going to be awesome
\_ Justin P. Black of U.C. Berkeley hates negros and colored people. |
| 2008/11/5 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:51840 Activity:low |
11/5 So can we mock jblack now?
\_ now now, let's be nice about it. Also, I don't want him to
explode and start cut/pasting a bunch of anti-gay anti-measure
drivels over and over again while over-writing other
people's posts. |
| 2008/11/5 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:51837 Activity:nil |
11/4 Okay, can we now spend the next four years mocking jblack?
\_ Ok I don't get this, why is jblack white and jwhite black? |
| 2008/6/10-13 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:50218 Activity:low |
6/10 What's up with the sudden unending rash of Obama trolling on the motd?
\_ The usual: freeper/Dittohead panic and flaming.
\_ There are no freepers on the motd. Get over your big bad self.
Not everyone who disagrees with your agenda is a frothing moron.
\_ We got numerous freeper urls a day back during the Iraq war
debate. Now some of those people have moved on, but not all
of them.
\_ I haven't seen a freeper link posted by a freeper in a
few years. All the ones I've seen are posted by anti-
freepers looking for a straw man to bash.
\_ So all the freepers on the motd have turned into
ex-freepers?
\_ Depends. Is your definition of trolling, "anything that might
make Obama look bad if more people knew it"? |
| 2008/1/29-2/2 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Israel] UID:49032 Activity:low |
1/28 Fun Fact: Each Gaza resident requires 1/2 ton of flour per day to
survive!
http://sandbox.blog-city.com/gaza_buried_in_flour.htm
\_ If they eat so much, they must be full of shit.
\_ still waiting for jblack to say something about Jewish
controlled liberal media.
\_ I haven't seen a Freeper post in months, so I suspect that
jblack has given up on us.
\_ 680,000 pounds = 340 tons. Simple error.
\_ I think it was done on purpose.
\_ why, because a 75% reduction in food availability wouldn't
be dramatic enough? It's an error. -tom
\_ Sure it's an error, but it didn't attain head-slapping
status until the guys at the Boston Globe put the 99%
on there. At which point someone should have noticed. -op |
| 2007/10/13-17 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:48308 Activity:nil |
10/13 motd is so much more fun when ilyas is around. If only we
can get jblack back.
\_ I aim to please. -- ilyas
\_ I aim to piss too. -- !OP
\_ my threads are automatically deleted.
\_ my threads are automatically deleted. -jblack
\_ If you simply sign your name I'll automatically undelete you.
\_ you know running scripts on the motd is squishable, right? |
| 2007/7/16-19 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:47301 Activity:low |
7/16 we haven't had a good motd thread fight in a while
\_ what fight? i was deleting old junk off the bottom.
\_ what fight? i was deleting old junk off the bottom. fine, keep
your junk.
\_ I have had a couple of threads deleted "out of order" in the
last three days. Methinks the Holy Keeper of All MOTD Sanity
has returned from his extended hiatus. Am I right ilyas? -ausman
\_ No. But thanks for being an ass. -- ilyas
\_ You are welcome. -ausman
\_ Who is deleting the Freeper threads?
\_ Freeper Guy VS. Peak Oil guy
round 1
FIGHT! |
| 2007/4/5-7 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:46199 Activity:low |
4/4 Why do you participate on motd emarkp? It's not like anyone
here actually agrees with 95% of your opinions and it's not
like you're providing anything insightful to anyone else. Do
you actually enjoy circuitous flamewar with us evil liburals?
You're like that Butters character in South Park. Everyone makes
fun of him but he still sticks around to be beaten over and
over again. It is just mind boggling.
\_ First of all, emarkp is very polite and tends to make more of an
atempt at rational debate than most people here. Second of all,
his ideas are not the mainstream conservative party line you get
from the drooling foxnews types or the frothing freeper types--his
contributions are genuinely interesting(if annoying sometimes) and
I've definitely been led to think about things because of them.
This is a good thing. Also, as a fairly extreme liberal, I find
myself agreeing with him on several very important issues. And
on top of all that, Butters if fucking hilarious and makes SP a
better show.
\_ I like having emarkp. He is the only rational conservative
who posts regularly. Why do you want to drive him off? -ausman
\_ See, this is what precipitated my wall yesterday. His
posts yesterday were not his usual even-keel. --scotsman
\_ I like having emarkp on too. And if you spell it 'liburals'
I automatically sort you to 'moron'.
\_ Violating my own rule to not respond to anonymous trolls...
Why do you participate? I joined the CSUA in 1995, and while my
political and social views differ dramatically from most people in
Berkeley, I have a healthy respect for their technical prowess. I
also find that rational discussion with people who disagree with me
is the best way to refine and evaluate where I stand and learn to
articulate it better. Occasionally I even change my views because
of discussion here--two examples were 1) my objections to the
original Lancet article on violent death stats in post-invasion
Iraq, and 2) holding Evolution off as a scientific fact but not a
belief of mine (I now accept Evolution without reservation).
-emarkp
\_ diversity of opinion is good. How can there be dark without light?
why discourage those that think differently from you? You'd prefer
a boring motd full of yes-men?
\_ Discussion: good. Echo chamber: bad.
\_ emarkp doesn't flood the board with freeper links, and his
discussions, apart from those with tom, people pretending to be tom,
or anonymous cowards, tend to be reasonable or at least civil. I do
not agree with much of what he has to say, but I appreciate his
tone and ideas. --erikred |
| 2007/3/15-20 [Politics/Domestic/RepublicanMedia, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:45987 Activity:low |
3/15 I haven't seen a single freerepublic link this year. What's up?
\_ jblack must have gotten a g/f or something...
\_ It's better that way. Why would you want to?
\_ Jews took over the site ~2004 |
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| 2006/11/8 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:45252 Activity:nil |
11/7 Waiting for jblack to saying something about the election
\_ congratulations to the party of "the tribe", your team
did pretty well. |
| 2006/10/3-5 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:44647 Activity:nil |
10/3 lafe, why do you hate jblack?
\_ Random guy who's scripts don't work, what the fuck are you talking
about? -lafe
\_ Left wing nut lafe, what scripts are you talking about? |
| 2006/9/25 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:44533 Activity:nil |
9/25 sign your name jblack or else I will sign all conservative trolls
for you. -liberal nut case |
| 2006/9/24-26 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:44516 Activity:nil |
9/23 jblack was here. --!jblack
\_ billg was here. --!billg |
| 2006/9/23-26 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack, Politics/Domestic/President/Reagan] UID:44511 Activity:kinda low Cat_by:auto |
9/23 Ronald Reagan: An American Hero
http://www.rightwingnews.com/reader/gipper.php
\_ This message brought to you by Justin P Black
\_ Fuck Reagan, and fuck you.
\_ a hero who dodged the draft in WW2?
\_ someone with balls had to stay behind and live..
otherwise we'd become france
\_ George W Bush, Dick Cheney?
\_ I thought everyone who avoided military service in the name of
regime change and American hegemony was a hero?
\_ The Marshall Plan is why we now call it the United States of
Europe. |
| 2006/9/23-26 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack, Industry/Jobs] UID:44506 Activity:moderate Cat_by:auto 68%like:44541 |
9/22 Note to future employers reading jblack's archives. Justin P Black
is a total nut case. Just search for his name on the archiver.
\_ I don't like jblack's extremist right-wing postings as the next
person. But don't you think it's wrong to use a public
discussion forum to personally smear other people? That seems
like a very Fox New's type thing to do.
\_ Op's post reflects more negatively on him than it does on
the guy he's talking about. I don't really care if I have to
work with someone who has political opinions I think are crazy
(I've done plenty of that, and it can be fun atually). However,
if I thought some self-righteous asshole like op thought he
could get away with not hiring someone because of his political
opinions, there's no way I'd work for him. That sort of rigid
authoritarian attitude is likely to carry over into technical,
work-related matters and make someone impossible to work for/with.
Whereas wingnut political opinions can be easily separated from
technical matters, and have no effect on quality of life at work.
\_ If people stopped hiring software people with insane fringe
political opinions, the software industry would die in a week.
\_ What archiver?
\_ You're actually helping him, not hurting him. If someone doesn't
hire him because some anonymous jackass posted some bit of idiocy
like yours on some stupid blog, you've just saved him from one of
the worst jobs possible: working for stupid people.
\_ I already circulated a negative recommendation in my company.
I am making sure jblack gets special attentions. I work at Intel
Corporation and I've passed the list to my HR friends at Yahoo,
Google, HP, Applied Materials, and other major corporations.
They've also begun circulating his name to the HR depts in
other companies as well. Please help me circulate jblack's
name throughout the valley and tell me which companies
you've passed the recommendation to so that we don't duplicate
efforts. Thanks -alum of 1990, Intel Verification, SC
\_ Hey, asshole! Why don't you post your name so people who
believe in free speech can avoid dealing with you ever?
Posting freeper links to a public forum and trying to blacklist
someone from an industry are two very different things. The first
is what what the motd is for, and the second is something that
is borderline illegal, against policy in some companies, and
makes you a bad human being. I'm going to post my name just
in the hopes that I never accidentally get hired by you or your
asshole friends. And for the record, I dissagree with jblack
on every issue(except free speech on the motd and gun control).
-lafe
\_ If only the world really worked that way....
\_ Free speech for me, eh? -alum of 1997, at Intel SC until 2000
Oh yeah, I can sign my name. -emarkp
\_ What's wrong with hiring people with wacky political views so long
as they do good work and don't draw bad press to the company?
Do you support McCarthy-era blacklisting of communists?
\_ Group dynamics is just as important as technical skills. We
had a brilliant guy in our lab from the midwest with extremist
views (he thinks we should nuke Iraq, Iran, and N Korea). For
two years the manager tried to group him into different
projects and the projects all turned out to be disasterous
because we just couldn't get along. The manager gave up and
the midwest dude drifted to his little projects while most of
us moved on. Don't underestimate the power of group dynamics.
\_ His problem wasn't his views. His problem was sharing them
at work. Were the rest of you sharing your views on the same
topics or was he this wildman lone wolf out to convert you
all to nuking everyone? I'll bet his version of events is
something like, "I was recruited out to the West Coast where
all these obnoxious assholes wouldn't shutup about their
politics so I tried different groups to get away from them
but they were all more interested in everyone thinking like
them politically than in getting any work done, so I went
and did my own projects until I could get away from that
place".
\_ It won't be good for the team if he's widely hated.
\_ Professionals don't discuss their politics, religion and other
BS at work. Furthermore if you *hate* someone because they
have different political views than you, the problem is yours,
not theirs.
\_ In theory, you're absolutely right. Professionals do not
discuss shit outside of their professional work.
In practice, you're wrong. Most of the professionals
in this world are not that professional.
\_ All true. Still doesn't change the fact that employers
_will_ Google you these days before hiring you.
\_ And really, if an anonymous motd entry showing up on
google is a barrier to a job you've done him a great
service by saving him from a job with morons.
\_ Why are you such a wuss that you won't publish your name?
Anonymously naming other people is pretty low. -jrleek
\_ Because if he did, he might find himself on a counter-blacklist.
I couldn't care less about jblack's political leanings but I hate
this pathetic coward blacklist guy's behavior. Unlike the
politics, this sort of thing is something that is likely to
reflect on being a shitty guy to work with.
\_ The blacklist guy is kchang (Kevin Chang), who I'm sure is
already on plenty of blacklists for his stalking behavior.
-tom
\_ It isn't that difficult to figure out who is who on the motd.
He may very well find his own name spread around the valley,
but really my question is, "why does he care?". And no, I
know that places like Intel, HP, etc are too damned big and
disorganised, especially in hiring, to have a global blackist
created by motd writers. The whole concept is just silly and
a vain attempt to silence jblack for having political views
that differ from the childish and petty original poster.
\_ Are we running the "best of" soda useless classic motd discussions?
\_ Wow. Facism is alive and well in the liberal, tolerant Bay Area.
\_ Should we take this at face value? |
| 2006/9/22-25 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack, Reference/Religion] UID:44501 Activity:low Cat_by:auto |
9/22 Apparently the Pope is a Jew: http://csua.org/u/gz1 \_ Ironic considering they killed a solid 20-30 million Orthodox Christians during the first half of the 20th century. \_ Of course! It all makes sense now! \_ I'm told by a guy I know in Azerbijain that it is common knowledge in Azerbijain that Bush and Cheney are both Jews. \_ Better a Jew than a red-neck right wing nut case like our President. If I can only choose one race to rule the earth, I'd totally pick the Jew over all other races -jeworshippor \_ Considering they killed a solid 20-30 million Orthodox Christians during the first half of the 20th century this is not so surprising. this is not so surprising. -jblack \_ What? \_ Uh oh, jblack seems to be hitting the meth pipe now. \_ You, sir, have been trolled. Try new improved formula Troll Gro(tm) for healthy trolls! -John \_ That's Kazakhstan. Kill the jew Sacha Baron Cohen! -John \_ Uh oh, politically incorrect history. I suppose this is not taught in hate Whitey 101. |
| 2006/9/16-19 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack, Politics/Domestic] UID:44406 Activity:nil Cat_by:auto |
9/16 "I have been saying for the last thousand years that America has only
one party - the property party. It's the party of big corporations,
the party of money. It has two right wings; one is Democrat and the
other is Republican." - Gore Vidal
\_ The Democrat Party has become the Jew Party, and attempts
are well underway to coopt the Republican GOP.
are well underway to coopt the Republican GOP. -jblack
PS. I hate blacks, Mexicans, and Jews
\_ Didn't know the U S of A has been around for a thousand years. |
| 2006/7/25-26 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:43804 Activity:nil |
7/25 Hey, since we have "jive" and "b1ff" and so forth, what about
"jblack"? Shouldn't be too hard to jblackify any block of text. |
| 2006/7/5-7 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:43574 Activity:nil |
7/5 The freeper seems to be back in force on the motd nowadays! GO
FREEPER! --jblack #1 fan
\_ Back in Black! |
| 2006/4/22-25 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack, Politics/Domestic/RepublicanMedia] UID:42804 Activity:nil Cat_by:auto |
4/22 More proof that Bush's special tax cut is stimulating the economy:
http://foxnews.smartmoney.com/smallbiz/inthetrenches
\_ Because clearly, Fox news is a more reliable source for economic
information than literally hundreds of respected economists both
in academic and practical roles who all agree the supply-side
economics was and is a complete and utter load of garbage.
jblack, seriously, were you dropped on your head as a baby? Does
it amuse you to troll the motd with badly sourced, badly reasoned
swill? Do you think you're convincing people to come around to
your point of view, if so do you have any evidence that this
approach is working? -dans
\_ Fuck you. If you had any knowledge of my mother's delivery
condition, you'd realize that's in remarkably poor taste.
\_ That's messed up, man. -irony guy
\_ WHoa whoa, easy on the meth!!! Take a chill pill. The guy
you're blaming on hasn't even been unsorried:
jblack:x:13096:100:Justin Black:/home/apollo/jblack:/csua/adm/bin/safesorry
You have a lot of anger. Are you still pissed at tom because
he made you look like a total idiot and a nut case? Has it
been embarrasing? What did the shrink say? Do tell.
\_ Do you appreciate the irony of tom making anyone look like an
idiot and a nutcase? -dans
\_ About as much as I appreciate the irony of you making
anyone seem well-adjusted and rational.
\_ Coming from a random anonymous troll who, odds are, has
probably never met me, that's pretty ridiculous. -dans
\_ s/foxnews/www/ ... happy now? It's not foxnews. The article
doesn't prove what op asserts anyways. Just that some people
have lots of money to blow. Which we knew anyways.
\_ Sometimes it helps to read an article before responding to
it.
\_ Agreed. dans' brain has been classified as: small
\- you must pay me 5 cents.
\- why? what is the ramification for not doing so? ok thx |
| 2006/3/31 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:42579 Activity:nil |
3/31 Trollertainment of the day:
Why is Justin White black and Justin Black white?
http://www.aautaekwondo.org/2006%20Adult%20Team/justin%20white.htm
http://www-bsac.eecs.berkeley.edu/~jblack/personal.html |
| 2006/3/30-31 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:42544 Activity:nil |
3/29 All freeper links not marked as such deleted. |
| 2006/3/21-22 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:42369 Activity:nil |
3/21 So where are amckee and jblack? I need stupidity for entertainment. |
| 2006/2/17 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:41898 Activity:nil |
2/17 jblack, what the fuck is wrong with your obsession with
Able Danger? Are you a bipolar? Borderline personality?
OCD is likely. You should see a shrink. Seriously.
\_ In ten years, I'll still be bitter about the Bush presidency, and
I'll still be angry at the fuckers who voted for him and the
bastards who helped him steal the elections. I don't fault jblack
for his passion, only for being on the wrong side.
\_ I dunno, what is wrong with his obession? I'm curious why you
have such an obsession with jblack. Is it love?
\_ Maybe it's a Brokeback Mountain thing?
\_ God, I wish I knew how to quit jblack!
\_ God, I wish I knew how to make jblack quit!
\_ That's it, blame the victim.
\_ He shouldn't have snuck up from behind without
announcing his presence. |
| 2006/2/1 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/China, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:41638 Activity:nil |
2/1 Where is jblack these days?
\_ Why do you hate America?
\_ Obviously you've never served.
\_ Are you chinese? Do you understand the effect
the opium trade had on China?
\_ I bet BUD DAY understands the effects of the opium trade!
\_ Not after a GUN DUEL he won't.
\_ um, RIDE BIKE! |
| 2006/1/25-27 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack, Uncategorized/Profanity] UID:41528 Activity:nil |
1/25 Fuck you. Go talk about politics in freeper or radiofreeamerica.
\_ hey man, be a little polite. I didn't say "fuck you" or insult
you in any way. |
| 2006/1/8-9 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:41298 Activity:kinda low |
1/8 suck my dick jblack
\_ Does jblack even do MOTD anymore?
\_ Does jblack even suck dick anymore? |
| 2006/1/3-5 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:41204 Activity:nil |
12/3 Can someone confirm that jblack the Bush loving troller is
posting anonymously? I just love trolls!
\_ Is this International Irony Day, or what? |
| 2005/12/16 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:41054 Activity:high |
12/16 Who are your favorite motd trollees?
\_ Jblack. Fucker.
\_ what kind of jblack? (single minded republican?)
\_ Fucker? I hardly know her!
\_ I troll jblack
\_ This is totally uncalled for. Grow up. Replies purged. |
| 2005/11/22-23 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:40686 Activity:nil |
11/21 With 2005 coming to a close, it's time to vote for your favorite
motd war of 2005! It's a tough group of nominees out there...so
many favorites to choose from:
GUN DUEL:
amckee vs psb FITE:
jblack vs. the jblack stalker:
ilyas vs. everybody:
\_ Who won?
amckee:
psb:
MOTD: .
jblack vs. the jblack stalker:
ilyas vs. everybody:
\_ my favorite is the amckee vs. blacklist thread. It was
unique and hilarious
\_ young and stupid politburo vs. stubborn old farts
Casino Troll:
\_ only amckee v. psb is worth a shit since the others were
anonymous people hassling non-anonymous people which is lame.
\_ we all lose because these things make the motd and the csua suck. |
| 2005/11/16-17 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:40607 Activity:kinda low |
11/15 jblack, thank you so much for posting freeper links! I used to
be a brainwashed knee-jerking liberal but after reading a few
of your links I finally see things from your perspective and
boy is it liberating or what! You have been right all along
and it is now my mission to post freeper links as well to
educate ignorant liberals to see things from our perspectives...
the right perspective. Thank you jblack, keep up the
good work and God bless. -conservative convert
\_ Is it so hard to let other people talk without insulting them?
\_ I think the jblack fetishist goes a bit beyond just insults.
He does seem to have successfully chased jblack away. We
all owe him our thanks.
\_ motd, sanitized for your protection.
\_ Good, now maybe you can figure out what is going on with
Able Danger. Never seen anything like this.
Weldon to reveal new 'Able Danger' details
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=47310
http:// http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=47310 -jblack
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=47310 -jblack
\_ You have never seen politicians lie and cover-up in an
attempt to look better? You must not have been paying
attention before. |
| 2005/11/9 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:40511 Activity:nil |
11/9 ?????????????????????
\_ hello jblack, sign your name. And what's wrong with
government dependency? You talk as if one ideology
has absolutely superiority over the other.
\_ I'm not jblack. And learn to format.
\_ I'm not the jblack fetishist, but I've reformated because
bad formating hurts my eyes.
\_ So... why don't you sign YOUR name? -jrleek
\_ Because he knows he'd get booted for harassment.
\_ Which is typical of "apply the rules to everyone but
me" crowd. -emarkp |
| 2005/11/9 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:40506 Activity:nil |
\_ hello jblack, sign your name. And what's wrong with
government dependency? You talk as if one ideology
has absolutely superiority over the other.
\_ I'm not jblack. And learn to format. |
| 2005/10/25-27 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:40269 Activity:high |
10/25 http://csua.com Uber-lame. \_ I suggest that various members of root staff and/or politburo are violating the "not being a hoser" clause by sending such a stupid message and shutting down a useful service. \_ root/politburo had only requested that kchang remove the faulty attribution feature. I think kchang took down the rest of it all on his own. \_ root/politburo clarified that the request was only for the removal of the faulty attribution feature. \_ politburo wields a big sword in front of kchang and tells him to take out 24HourDiff, then asks him to be nice and put back a useful archiver service. You honestly think that after wielding your big sword [and causing resentment], that he's going to be nice to you again? You fucking fresh politburo virgins just don't understand basic psychology. \_ Inconceivable! amckee has managed projects with 30 engineers flung across the globe (though we were never told why those engineers felt the need to flee), and the the Psychology Dept has classified him as a Critical Psycho Asset. How can he not know basic psychology? This is in all ways inconceivable. \_ I do not think that word means what you think it means \_ It was still an stupid message. What's with the vague innuendo? What's with the idiotic requirement in the first place? Why is energy being spent on that? (Also, the thing about not being a hoser basically suggests he had to shut it down.) \_ Well, amckee wrongly sorried someone based on kchang's attribution. That must be immensely embarrassing for amckee personally and the politburo in general. Of course they want to shut it down. In fact, isn't amckee the only documented case of someone actually doing bad things (rather than merely threatening to do bad things) based on kchang's attribution? \_ I suspect part of the rationale is that, by identifying users this way, it also opens up the door for persecution of individuals that post stuff that people don't find palatable for whatever reason. I'm just guessing about that, though, based on hearsay that I've heard. I haven't had a chance to decide for myself whether this is really reasonable. *shrug* \_ The biggest issue with the attribution feature \_ The biggest problem with the attribution feature is the fact that it was not reliable. Stating as fact to the world that "baz wrote this", when in fact it was written by foo is a problem. \_ But you have to respect how this was handled (sarcasm) No prior discussion a very widely used facility is is going to be forceably shut down and then "Last minute email from root ..." \_ But you have to respect how this was handled (sarcasm) No prior discussion a very widely used facility is is going to be forceably shut down and then "Last minute email from root ..." What does this refer to: "we don't think this is a sorryable offense"? Are you so delusional to think you could have sorried him for running it in the first place (Politburo edicts now may have retroactive liability?) or that if he didn't comply then you would not have sorried him? Was this an "order" on pain on being sorried or was it a request? Is the politburo interested in hearing requests to reactivate the service? Thanks for the detailed coverage of the Video Game Tournament though. \_ your facts are confused. \_ your facts are confused. -brett \- is this kinda like how i took things out of context when i provided links to the entire paper trail? maybe you can clarify? It seems the the PP is asking for clarification. "good night and good luck" --psb \_ Uhm, are you addressing me or politburo? I'm just taking a shot in the dark about why this service is being blamed. If you're addressing me then your hostility is very very misplaced. \_ I would say he is speaking of the action by Politburo. -someone else \_ Get your facts straight. \_ I agree with previous poster who says that process has been bungled. There could have been plenty of discussion from soda users via motd or listserv on what to do (if anything) about kchang's logging feature, but this resource was not consulted. This is the power of Politburo, but Politburo exercised this power ... unwisely in this case. \_ he was asked merely to put up a disclaimer about the inherent inaccuracy of his system. he chose instead to shut it down. \_ kchang was asked twice to remove a feature. kchang took down his motd site. It was clarified by mrauser that "Your welcome to turn it back on, but it would be nice if you disabled the feature that attributed each post to whomever you thought made it" kchang hasn't posted the clarification on his website. -brett \_ "[T]here is doubt regarding whether your use of CSUA resources violates the 'not being a hoser' clause of the CSUA policy" clearly sounds like a threat. Perhaps it is unreasonable to expect kchang to play nice after being threatened. \_ [brett's clarification removed after I removed the point requiring clarification] \-So the position is "The pburo believes it is acceptable for mr kchang to include a disclaimer about the accuracy of the attributions and operate as before"? (If you are replying to clarify, and are a root/pburo person, it would be helpful if you would sign your name, for obvious reasons). --psb \_ I'm not a politburrito (anymore, thank god), but given that there's not really anything keeping someone else from doing this sort of thing, I don't see the point in telling kchang or anyone else not to do this. Asking to take into consideration its effects on motd as a forum (and possibly turn it off)? Sure. Personally, I draw a line at not noting the inherent inaccuracy of this system. While amckee should have known better anyway, I think it's pretty lame to attribute posts to people based on circumstantial information without noting that the conclusions are circumstancial too --Jon \_ Clarification please. Many of us have our personal attribution scripts. Is it acceptable for us to run them? Is it acceptable for kchang to release his scripts so other people can run them? Strictly for each runner's personal use and entertainment, of course. \_ It's one thing to come to your own conclusions about who wrote what, based on whatever methods you chose, whether it be ps(1) info, w, fstat, the phase of the moon, reading /dev/random, whatever. It's another to tell others your conclusions ala KAIS without at least letting others know how reliable your conclusions are and how reliable your methods are. --Jon \_ While all answers are replies, not all replies are answers. I asked very specific questions, and I am really look for answers, and not just replies. Are we allowed to run our own scripts? Are we allowed to run kchang's scripts, should he choose to release them? -pp \_ I think it's clear you're welcome to run anything you like for your own personal use. You're being asked not to take that same unreliable information and post it to the public as if it was a source of truth without noting it isn't reliable and is just a poor guess at best. Having been accused of posting things by other people when I wasn't even around and then seeing my name next to some garbage later on a public website is just plain wrong. I've had 'magical kchang quality scripts' for years before he started logging&attributing in public. I have *never* used those scripts to "out" anyone. They can't be 100% reliable and it's distasteful and a gauche to do so anyway. \_ Amusing, I had done the same thing. I figured out who the anonymous Freeper was, but just\ kept it to myself. -ausman out who the anonymous Freeper was, but just kept it to myself. -ausman \_ Are we talking about the same Berkeley students who are supposed to be semi-intelligent enough to understand that (a) something like motd posting attribution is trivial and irrelevant (IT'S THE FUCKING MOTD, FFS) and (b) they shouldn't necessarily take what an off-site resource says at total 100% religious face value? -John \_ it isn't just the motd. it is posted on a public website as if it was truth. just because you don't care doesn't mean others don't or that their opinions on the subject of being falsely attributed to some really horrendous things don't count. \_ I read it on the Internet, so it must be true. I guess I haven't been in the US for a while, so I forgot how thin-skinned and whiny people are. Give me a fucking break. -John \_ they've gotten dumber since you left, Fuzzy. that, and I making a distinction, even if it ends an irrelevant one. -Jon \_ Just because people have become dumber doesn't mean you have to pander to them. -John \_ in the end, it's not about them, but about people who wrongly (knowingly or uncaringly) attribute actions to others on false grounds \- hey it's like FBI v. NWA again! http://home.lbl.gov:8080/~psb/Articles/CSUA/3.chilling-effect (see last paragraph) them? Yes, I am aware there would be a scalability problem. -pp \_ It's common knowledge that kchang's toys \_ I think kchang knows that his results are inherently not accurate. I know you and I know. I wouldn't call that "common knowledge". --Jon are inaccurate, so I don't think you can claim he's actively "attributing actions" uncaringly, just that his scripts are bad. Are you claiming he did so knowingly and intentionally? Because then politburo should come out and say so. -John \_ I think kchang knows that his results are inherently not accurate. I know you and I know. I wouldn't call that "common knowledge". --Jon \_ So anyone who finds my name incorrectly associated with some garbage at his log will know his toy is inaccurate and not assume I wrote something that has my name next to it? I've seen the stuff come out in search engines and not all of us use a name like "John" that will get 8 zillion hits. No, you don't think some person doing a background check will know or care that it is wrong. They will see it and take it at face value and that is far more wrong than him turning off his toy or at a minimum making it loud and clear on each page that his attributions are no better than random spew and should not be taken seriously. \_ And then they will take my kitten away and make me do the dishes and I won't be able to go to all the kewl places because everyone will hate me... Chill out dude. It's the motd and there is a disclaimer. If you're afraid of being tracked for your beliefs and/or quirks, don't post. \_ Missing point: I didn't post but got attributed anyway. \_ Just disclaim it. Like everyone in BushCo does. Point to disclaimer. If getting accused of doing something offensive on the net is going to ruin your future life, your current/future/both life really sucks. \_ You rarely get a chance to disclaim anything. No one is going to tell you why they made a decision. As far as my life/career, etc, you have no clue. Either way, great life or bad, I shouldn't get smeared by a broken script even if it had zero effect on my life. \_ So you're worried a script will randomly ID you as a poster of an offensive item even if you never post. As much as I admire your paranoia, I think you're nuts. You need to ask root to delete your account now just to be super safe. \_ If you're going to go work at a place that does background checks by browsing hozerish archives of student bbs, I am speechless, and I am sorry at how you have thrown away a good Cal education. -John \_ Nice, also not your place to determine what sort of place might read what and what it looks like in a search engine to an outside investigator. When you provide all of us a dream job with no background checks and we choose to go elsewhere, then we'll talk. \_ I like killin' babies. -hmiers \_ All hail the power of the press/goverment/religious ideologues to locate this misattributed quote to bring down a USSC nominee! \_ So the rest of the world should adapt itself to your lack of career clue? Get over yourself. Nobody's interested that you fiddle litle boys. I guess turning this off REMOVES ALL POSSIBILITY OF ANYONE PUBLICLY SLANDERING YOU! -John \_ I'm glad you are Knower Of All. I feel better now that you put up a straw man and knocked it down for me. \_ Am I wrong? -John \_ Well, no. "The CSUA Politburo and members of Root Staff request that you [kchang] remove the attribution feature from your KAIS MOTD." *One* member of root staff wrote that a disclaimer is sufficient in lieu of a full shut down, but it seems clear the politburo and the root staff as full bodies wanted the service shut down. \_ Since I'm sick of reading datasheets, I'll keep on posting. That "*one* member of root staff" was me. --Jon in fact it was written by foo is the issue. \_ Thanks for the clarification. -brett \- hey it's like FBI v. NWA again! http://home.lbl.gov:8080/~psb/Articles/CSUA/3.chilling-effect (see last paragraph) \_ Which is a reasonable request. kchang is just being a baby. -emarkp \_ It was phrased as a threat. As little respect as I have for kchang, he never claimed his toys were authoritative. The people being babies here are the ones whining about "oh n0es, bad things are being attributed to me on the internet!" Whatever. Rampant whiny stupidity just pisses me off. -John \_ It wasn't the first time someone had complained about the inaccuracy of his attributions. His rampant whiny arrogance pissed me off. -emarkp \_ Care to explain why he is whiny and arrogant? \_ Fair enough--like I said. Anyway, re-posting wall & motd and making false attributions (or b.s. ones and claiming they're authoritative) doesn't require csua membership. Note finger?lwall ... -John \_ Forgeries (signing a post with someone else's name) are an obvious possibility of (semi)anonymous things like motd. Saying that you've determined who made a post to motd without saying how certain or uncertain you are is something else. \_ It's usually not considered good etiquette to piss on people who provide a useful service for free. All non-morons knew the vageries involved in the attribution functionality and took them with a grain of salt. I'm pretty sympathetic to kchang here. Maybe he could create a version of KAIS MOTD that requires authetentication so it it so longer requires authentication so it would no longer open to the world at large. \_ like root@csua.berkeley.edu? |
| 2005/10/15-16 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:40117 Activity:nil |
10/15 Isn't it weird that jblack has been really quiet in the past few days?
Boy, I can't wait till they implement user-tracking. It'll be
a conservative jblack troll paradise! Go conservative motd!
\_ What you say makes very little sense for several reasons. |
| 2005/10/14 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:40089 Activity:nil |
10/14 While it is true that someone made a threat to jblack, who
started it? jblack persistently posted freeper trolls and attempted
at hiding freeper urls, knowingly how they really piss off
knee-jerking left wing-nut liberals. If it weren't for jblack's
initial immaturity and his complaints to politburo, the
deanonymizing of motd which got started by our good 'ol
conservative friend jrleek, would not have happened in the
first place. Jblack is like this little kid harrassing
bullies and when he is bullied he runs to his mommy for help.
\_ What's your point? I never claimed jblack's conduct was
examplary. However, nothing he did justified the
phychopathic response, and anonymous threats of harrassment are
clearly beyond the pale. He also, as far as I know, never ran
to anyone for help, or complained. The fact remains that jblack
hater guy clearly overstepped both legal and moral lines. I
have no problem with the general causticness of the motd,
(that's amckee's deal) but I do have a problem with
criminality. The motd was never truly anonymous anyway, even
if you do use scp. The fact is that politburo would rather
enact an overarching rule than do a little detective work.
-jrleek
\_ So which act was deemed criminal?
\_ http://csua.org/u/dq1
\_ So the bar is pretty low...
\_ Wow, talk about blaming the victim. "He insisted on posting _links_
to a political philosophy I disagree with so I went totally psycho
on him! He *made* me do it!" Sheesh. Ridiculous.
\_ It all depends on how high you believe the stakes are in the
co-called "culture war". Personally, I believe that the stakes
couldn't be higher. I believe that the group of radical
Christians trying to overtake America will stop at nothing to
build a fascist theocracy where a guy like me will end up dead
just for being an athiest scientist who reads the wrong books.
The radical Christian enemy is clearly willing to die for their
dark vision of America, and so am I. Seen in that light, a few
insults and even threats on the motd just aren't a big deal.
I am not "jblack hater guy", but I will not be suprised at all
if in 10 years, I'm looking over a barricade at someone just like
jblack, both fighting to the last. Ideas matter. Political
philosophy *always* contains the threat of violence ultimately.
\_ And THIS is why I love the motd. -jrleek
\_ Whoa. This is probably just a crazy troll, but you really
need to read up on Gandhi, Martin Luther King Jr., and
nonviolent resistance. Violence is not inevitable. Don't
go the way of Stalinist idiots like International ANSWER,
please.
\_ Ok, speaking of Stalin, what exactly do you think would have
happened if we had not had the power to rain nuclear death
down on the USSR? We'd just form a human chain in Berlin
and sing some songs and they'd back down? How about Saddamn
in 91? What's your pacifist solution there? Or the
Taleban? Pacifism can solve many problems, and can deal
with many types of people, but it is rarely the solution
to the problem of pure evil.
\_ The bitch was asking for it.
\_ I'm investing in tin futures. Where are all these evil
theocrats running around dying for their cause killing
atheist scientists?
\_ You have to read between the lines a bit, but I believe
this is the ultimate goal of righwing preachers like
Dobson and Falwell--they just don't talk like that yet
because they're in stealth mode and because they think
they can take over "democratically" using the GOP.
Their real chance is going to come after the Peak Oil
crash. At that point, society will face some very hard
choices, and we will have to either invest in science
and technology very intensly to get ourselves out, or fall
into another dark ages, which the Christian fascists will
be quick to advocate. That is the scenario where they'll
end up trying to take power through violence.
\_ This is brilliant! You have actually managed to troll
a discussion about how to make the motd a worth while
and non-hostile, yet anonymous place *and* slipped in
a peak oil reference as well. Your troll-fu has
exceeded all previous known bounds of trollery.
\_ How much would it disturb you to discover that I
believe everything I wrote?
\_ Not at all. But then I've read The True Believer.
\_ I've seen Serentity, how close is that?
\_ I agree with him. It's no secret that fundie
power nuts like Falwell and Dobson fantasize of
a Christian Taliban, a whole country where everyone
is a Christian drone while they live lives of
luxury and limitless power.
\_ Falwell was at the last politburo meeting though
so I dunno. -mrauser
\_ So they have power fantasies? So what? That
means we should turn the motd into a pit? I'm
so going to buy tin futures. Are you also of
the opinion that this has something to do with
Peak Oil? And how does Elvis, Area 51 and
the Bigfoot/Dolphin conspiracy play into this?
\_ Don't you mean aluminum?
\_ Although, I have to admit, using a non-anonimizer to catch the
anonymous motd censor would be really great. -jrleek |
| 2005/10/14-15 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:40087 Activity:high |
10/14 While it is true that someone made a threat to jblack, who
started it? jblack persistently posted freeper trolls and attempted
\_ Um, more to the point, who took it seriously? jblack certainly
didn't as he never made any effort to contact administrators,
nor is there any evidence he sic'd the university on the CSUA.
Someone else took umbrage, and started this pointless folderol,
and we're unfortunate enough that he found a sympathetic ear.
\_ I took it seriously. I don't care if jblack lauphed it off
or not. Your going to have a hard time convincing me that it
is important for the CSUA to protect the right of people to
threaten other people anonymously. To me, that is the sole and
final purpose of the motd logging. -mrauser
\_ Why do all CSUA Treasurers go mad with power? - danh
\_ so, uhhh....does that mean that if there are no threats the
motd will remain un-fucked-with? I would like to point out
that all of the problems with the motd degenerating into
personal attacks and threats would have been solved if the
motd were *truly* anonymous to all but root. That would
include people choosing to sign posts.
\_ If you want to design a tool that can fool kchang's logging
and make it publicly availible you are welcome to do so.
Of course scp always works, but the disjointed merging is
quite hozerish. Right now, the definitive logging _will_
only be availible to root. Not everyone will be able to
see the logs. -mrauser
\_ What's the list of users with root access? what
safeguards are there that what was written with the
assumption of anonymity will not get posted all over
the internet with the names attached? Anonymity is
important for discussion of unpopular, minority
opinions, sensitvie topics, personal problems,
cs problems, career advice, etc. All these advantages
would get taken away from many people just because one
guy made a threat on jblack?
\_ Take a look waaaay down the page to see my reply to
someone on this issue. To summarize: any root who
abuses power and looks at logs for inappropriate
purposes will be hozed hard by me. Also, the root
list has been and continues to be trimmed. - jvarga
\_ Why is anonymity important here? Given that motd
\_ Anonymity is not important, just as the motd is
trivial, silly and fun. It does, however, add
flavor. I don't know why people are turning this
into some massive debate on principles--de-
anonymizing the motd is stupid and missing the
point, but if the active members/politburo want to
do it, that's their good right. -John
is displayed for everyone by default, shouldn't
accountability be more important here? If I'm forced
to read someone's insane rant, I'd rather know who
to ignore in the future. - rollee
\_ make it non-default then. also, you make the
choice of applying for a soda account and
continuing to use it. even then,
noboby is forcing you to read anything.
and you can do a clear and cat of motd.official
after logging in, or just use .hushlogin
\_ yea, but except for the guy who threatened jblack, everyone
else didn't cross the line, so why are we being punished?
How am I supposed to ask a dumb CS question now without
embarassing myself? - soda donor
at hiding freeper urls, knowingly how they really piss off
knee-jerking left wing-nut liberals. If it weren't for jblack's
initial immaturity and his complaints to politburo, the
deanonymizing of motd which got started by our good 'ol
conservative friend jrleek, would not have happened in the
first place.
\_ But the point is that it isn't only threats to jblack,
there have been numerous instances of people harrassing
others on the MOTD. We also had some moron threatning
the POTUS last year after the elections. You have to
admit, in the past half decade the MOTD certainly has
gotten a lot more vicious. It's an unfortunate trend
and we all are probably partially liable for it. I know I
am. The MOTD, along with wall and ntalk are also dying
mediums, so it's understandable that the current
generation of undergrads show little interest and little
patience for MOTD antics... -williamc
\_ You aren't being punished if you're not doing things that
would cause root to actually have to look at the logs.
You seem to be assuming that root cares who posts stupid
questions and remarks. Don't worry about there being logs
if you're not doing anything bad. - jvarga
\_ I have no idea who the root guys are. what if one of
them is immature like the guy who threatened jblack,
and I've just had a political argument with him,
and he went nuts?
\_ By popular request, your root staff and politburo
are now listed in the official motd. - jvarga
\_ What if one of the root guys IS jblack? Go Bush! |
| 2005/10/14 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:40082 Activity:very high |
10/13 I asked a bit earlier how many of you angry motd-ers are actual CSUA
\_ Who's angry? This is a non-issue. The CSUA politburo should do
whatever the active CSUA members (i.e. enrolled undergrads) vote
to do. We're just excercising the privilege of the ancient to
smirk condescendingly on the sillinesses that the puppies come
up with :-) -John
voters. I am guessing very few are. The reality is this is not your
machine, and this is not your organization, anymore. The current
students in charge are free to run things however they wish. As
someone so bluntly put it below, "the decision stands and is not
debatable". I do find it amusing that after all the alum donations
to spiff up the place, we are then told off so cavalierly.
\- raising the matter of "are you a current ucb
undergrad" might be relevant if the issue was
about voting or representation, but if it is
about ideas, and they are making reasonable
points rather than just claiming "i am older
and smarter; you are young and naive" then
you should ignore where they ideas are coming
from but just address the ideas themselves
if they have merit. if the values of the
older members are that much out to lunch
how can you justify operating under a consitution
hardly changed from somethign they wrote ...
or are you claiming they somehow had your values
when in school but then become unmoored and
unhinged upon leaving the evans/sloda/cory environs.
\_ I don't know, another question worth asking is "How many of the
angry motd-ers donated?" I did, and I pretty much agree with
\_ "Did you donate?" is the CSUA's "you haven't served" -John
\_ Of course, "you haven't served" is occasionally also the
CSUA's "you haven't served". -gm
politburo. Although, actually, perhaps a different experiment
would be interesting. Part of the problem currently is the
anonymity differential. Things only got really nasty around
jblack when kchang's diff exposed who it was posting the
freeper links. Then some blow hard starting harrasing him
anonymously. If anonymity had been guaranteed, at least THAT
wouldn't have happened. -jrleek
\_ Check your crystal ball again, that wasn't my post. The decision
\_ mea culpa
was debated extensively (see the pages upon pages in the minutes)
and it saddens me that the anonimity was abused so badly that it
will help to remove it. I won't monitor you if you want to make
your own world writable ~myname/sleezepit.motd where you can
slander, insult and threaten as you please. I think the csua
motd should be a place where people can post and not be completely
hounded. When exactly did you donate by the way? -mrauser
\- what is the rationale for not monitoring ~myname/sleezepit.motd
but monitoring /etc/motd? --psb
\_ If you really need to ask this you are SO dense. Why do
you think I would possibly want to be responsible for
hateful comments on the csua's message of the day? You
should probably just go think on it, this isn't worthy of
a response. -mrauser
\- ok i am a moron. tell me how you will deal with the
following: Anonymous A challenges john@soda
to a GUN DUEL in ~psb/motd.sleaze. Then PSB posts
"Hey John has been challeneged to a GUN DUEL in
~psb/motd.sleaze!" to the motd.public ... this is
either signed by psb or "discovered" to be psb
via the motd.log. questions presented:
1. is psb liable for something? if so, what?
is he reponsible for the threat or just running
a non-anonymous forum for thraets? so if psb could
find the original threatener A, is he then ok?
or is he guilty of helping out the threat?
if psb is guilty for helping ut the threat by cross
posting it, then isnt something who doesnt delete
an obnoxious comment in the motd also responsible
for "helping to spread disharmony on sloda"?
\_ hello, in the context of a threat you may
not be liable [ not 100% sure, maybe there
is some way to argue accomplice/conspiracy ]
in the context of defamation you could be
liable b/c you republished.
2. does the politburo not feel responsible in this
case since the official motd only contains a
POINTER to the inflammatory content?
3. maybe i am a moron, but it seems if the reason to
for the heavy handed intervention is stop threats
then this should extent to any reasonable public
forums on sloda. it certainly seems like i should
not even be allowed to advertise my evil motd in
the official sleaze free zone. although if i am not
allowed to post my pointer to ~psb/motd.sleaze, i have
to ask can i post a link to http://sleaze.psb.org with
the exact same discussion? ... so it IS ok to post a
"sleazy pointer" as long as it points out of CSUA
space? if that is not fine either, why is it
permissable to post offensive links at all?
again what is the criteria of "bad" ... offensive/
obscene? child porn? emotionally damaging comments?
[like calling somebody a clown? what if you like
clowns?] physical threats? what if i just post
"i would like to meet you in a boxing ring"?
\_ Partha, it's "GUN DUEL", not "a GUN DUEL". -John
\- funny you should say that. --psb |
| 2005/10/13-14 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:40063 Activity:very high |
10/13 Now that we're making a user-tracking, totalitarian motd in the
future, I want to use all the remaining freedom to insult people.
Whoever proposed this idea, fuck you. Paolo is an ass and
all heil German John. Viva la libertarian-style motd!!!
\_ What is wrong with root having a way to track who posted what when
someone complains about inappropriate behavior on the motd? Why is
everyone complaining? The fact that Politburo has had to make the
decision to put a system in place to keep a log is not a symptom of
a "totalitarian regime," but rather a forum where people's blatant
disrespect for each other caused a problem that had to be addressed.
You will still have your anonymity so you can troll away at each
other, but root will finally have the ability to look at a private
log IF AND WHEN the need arises to take care of issues that get out
of hand. No one will be monitoring the log, lording over you with
the wiggling finger. Life will continue on as normal. But finally,
those anonymous cowards who use unconventional motd posting means to
threaten others will have to check themselves knowing that if they
make a real threat and someone complains, that there will be
judgment on their not-so-anonymous self. The only people
complaining about root having logs are those who are the people
doing the threatening and are worried that they cannot continue to
do so anonymously. Get a life, grow up, and be civil to each other
(insult each other all you want, we don't care. Just don't cross
the line and make real threats.). Sheesh. - jvarga
\_ The problem as I see it isn't so much the tracking mechanism,
but the vagueness of the standard for breaking anonymity in a
forum where some pretty hot-topic issues are often addressed.
I'm rather uncomfortable knowing that we are giving power to
tantrumy admins without any real limitations or clear standards
of application. Honestly, don't our stewards have more important
things to do than chase after lackwit trolls? -mice
\_ If all they're really doing is logging this shit somewhere, I don't
think it will matter. What the cowards who like censorship fail
to understand is how many of the trolls have the personality that
tends to tell people to go fuck themselves straight to their face.
Overall, I don't think the level of debate is really that much
lower here than at the national level anyway. Don't forget we
recently had the Vice President of the United States tell a
senator to go fuck himself, on record, in the senate.
\_ It isn't about trolls. Trolling is one of the 'fun' things about
anonymity. If you're going to get ballistic when someone posts a
random link you deserve what you get. I see the problem being
with people who instead of saying "fuck you" (which is just
stupid), make threats to life, limb, reputation, etc. At that
point there needs to be recourse, otherwise the CSUA is just
providing a means to attempt to ruin another person with no way
for the victim to even know who is doing it much less have a
chance of stopping it. Trolling is posting random stupid links.
Going after someone in a personal way is not trolling. That is
harassment at a minimum and shouldn't be tolerated. This comes
back to the question raised several weeks ago about fresh blood
on the motd. Why would any new person want to step into such an
environment? And why can't we have an environment better than
the rest of the net or the Senate floor, or where ever? Just
because another place sucks is no reason we have to emulate that.
\_ I think you summarised the reasoning (if not improved upon
it) during the meeting. We were thinking that it really
wasn't a constructive thing for people to be abusing the
anonimity to threaten others. This is absolutely not intended
to be a "politburo intends to be the thought police" system.
The logs will also be root-only accessible and we're toying
with putting in a system such that you need two members of
root to access them. -mrauser
\_ Just out of silly curiosity, has this happened to any serious
extent, has anyone been affected physically by this, or is
it a case of "won't someone think of the children"? -John
\_ What benefit is it to the CSUA to have the MOTD anonymous?
(Unlike pretty much every other form of electronic
communication). Is having wall logs "thinking of the
children"?
People should be accountable for what they say. -tom
\_ Do you mean, "Has anyone not gotten involved with the
motd because it is overly caustic?" If so, Yes.
\- non-anon wont solve the causticity problem
\_ Sure, but what was pp asking?
\_ No, has anyone been attacked/gotten in a fight/whatever,
because of what was said on the motd and complained, or
or has the CSUA been told off by a roving gang of UC
lawyers, or is this just a case of "well no, but it
_could_ happen"? Is there a binding definition of
"harassment" from any authority that governs the CSUA?
I'm just curious... -John
\_ People no longer post here. Isn't that enough? How
many more have to be chased off? Just because they
didn't file some sort of 'official' complaint with
politburo, it is ok they left after enough abuse?
Why does someone have to be beaten with a bat for
it to matter?
\_ I seem to recall people complaining about and
leaving the wall too.
There can never be enough chasing. We must
chase unto the hundreds, the thousands, the
hundreds of thousands. They shall all run before
the mighty motd. Kneel before motd.
(anyway, isn't it ironic that in the jblack case,
the only reason he became a "threat target" is
that other people de-anonymized him in the first
place?)
\_ From the minutes:
"Some people want to make [motd] semi-non-anymonous.
We don't want to be in trouble with libel, slander,
threats, etc. ... the people whoa re being attacked
are not complaining about it, it's not really a
problem! the message was just a troll ... we are
sorta sanctioning this simply by keeping it there
and not responding to these kind of threats"
I read this to mean Politburo (4 out of 5) got
freaked out about the GUN DUEL references, even
though it was a troll. Could be wrong.
\_ BUD DAY doesn't like your tone.
\_ Not the gun duel, jblack hater guy
threatening anonymous harrassment and abuse.
/--/
http://csua.com/?entry=39902
I suppose it's good they haven't heard about GUN DUEL
yet ...
\_ Man, can't two consenting adults even talk about
organizing GUN DUEL without everyone getting all
freaky about it? If it was jblack hater being
a weenie, and jblack complaining, that's one thing,
but I don't seem to recall either of the parties
involved in GUN DUEL raising a stink. -John
\_ "the people whoa re being attacked are not
complaining about it ... we are sorta
sanctioning this simply by keeping it there
[etc.]"
\_ So the people who are being attacked are
not complaining. Perhaps they get the joke?
It's the freakin' motd. I barely take the
news links seriously.
\_ They complained. They up and left, duh.
Just because they didn't file an official
complaint and fill out some paper work,
you think it's ok they're not here any
more? The motd is enriched by them
leaving? Sheesh.
\_ And that benefits the CSUA...how? -tom
\_ Allows those who have a minority,
maginalized, or unpopular opinion to
speak out. Allows people to judge the
opinion separately from judging the
person. And allows yermom to accept
all the action she can take without
you feeling bad about it.
\_ We can have an anonymous motd
without the assault and abuse.
I'm totally in favor of what you're
saying right here, but I'm totally
opposed to allowing people to abuse
their anonymous privs to attack
other people. Post your troll
links, post your minority opinion,
but don't expect to get away with
direct personal threats and
assault be it virtual or physical.
\_ I don't care about user tracking as long as our stupid
libertarian stops trolling and nuking the motd.
\- anonymity enables discussion of certain topics that may not
be discussed non-anonymously. non-anonymity, as the wall
very nicely proves, will not make things warm and fuzzy. --psb
\_ The Delaware S. Ct. just ruled on the issue of anon speech
on the internet. If anyone is interested the opinion is at:
http://www.internetcases.com/library/cases/2005-10-05-doe_v_cahill.pdf
Of interest may be the cts assertion that the constitutional
rights of Internet users to speak anonymously must be
"carefully safeguarded."
\- this is about whether the sloda motd should be anonymous
or not. you can support the possibility of anon speech without
being obligated to provide a particular channel. although it
is certainly true there are blurry areas ... like can a town
deny a speech permit to somebody because it will cost thousands
of dollars in police overtime [stipulating that this isnt a
sham excuse]. does it matter whether it is an anti-BUSHCO
parade or a neo-nazi parade [see skokie case] or say a parade
to laude the virtues of IKEA or INNNOUT BURGER. i think one of
the more interesting free speech cases is PRUNEYARD v. ROBBINS.
i am not suggesting you are sugesting a legal obligation here,
but i think it is clear "the csua" can do what it wants with
the motd, just as i think it is clear it is clownheaded to
put these restrictions on the motd. now if somebody else wanted
to created /foo/bar/non-clownlike-motd-for-non-softheaded-adults
which was anonymous and "the CSUA" smacked that down without
a pretty compelling interest ... that would seem to be to be
pretty suspect.
\_ Is the politburo committed to monitoring just motd or any
world writable file which may be used for motd-like purposes?
\- i think they are committed to being clownlike. and to
AssOS 2.6, apparently.
\_ To be fair, these are a bunch of 20-year olds making
political and technical decisions. How high should
our expectations be?
\_ They are 20 yr olds at Cal; we should expect
a bit more than latest 1337est.
\_ I would guess that almost all of us were once
20-year old students at Cal. I was one too. I
think I calibrated my expectations appropriately.
And we are not moving to linux because it's the
latest l337est; we're linux because the vp
couldn't get bsd running. I calibrated my
expectations based on that too (not so much that
he couldn't get it up but rather he's unable to
determine root cause).
\_ The current VP, being completely inept in all
ways, shape, and form, did not try to get
freebsd running. He came in, did nothing, got
chastized for doing nothing, then suddenly
embarked on some sort of religious crusade of
"I'm going to try and get people to stop
calling me inept so I'm going to try and get
new soda working." I have had new soda, for
the most part, working since February. I've
had logins up, home directories mounted, and
about 90% of the other stuff working. Brett
and seidl were great and got apache and list
stuff working, and there was/is only a small
list of stuff left to do. However, despite
my monthly "this is is an explicit list of
all there is left to do that I don't know how
to do," Politburo, and the VP especially,
claim that I don't tell anyone anything.
C'mon! I explicitly said "anyone that can
help, please email me and I'll enable your
login." Instead I get amckee telling
everyone that nothing works because he cannot
log in (I never enabled his login because he
threw a temper tantrum and refused to help).
Anyway, to get back to the point, we tried
loading up new soda with Freebsd 6 this last
weekend to see if the new kernel fixes the
issues we had installing 5.3, but
unfortunately it did not. Mbh decided to load
Gentoo onto the system just to play around and
when it booted decided that he was going to
push to make Gentoo the new OS for soda since
the current system was "unusable" to him. So,
despite the page-long list of reasons that I
provided as to why changing soda to Gentoo
would be a Very Bad Thing(tm), he still wants
to go forward with it because he thinks it is
cool to compile the OS from scratch. The
\_ So it is latest 1337est! Anyway
if he really wants to do this,
why doesn't he try OpenSolaris?
At least it is meant for adults.
-curmudgeon
\_ You can compile freebsd from scratch too.
guy wants to change soda's OS and claims that
he is willing to deal with all the fun that
comes from that, when he had to ask a few
days ago how to find out when someone logged
on last. Sorry about the ventness of this
post, but I have been getting jerked around
by the inept politburo for the past 2 months,
dealing with lie after lie about me and am
trying to fight for some semblence of
rationality, but am getting tired of doing
so. - jvarga
\_ GO JVARGA GO! W00T! -John
\_ From the meeting minutes I couldn't
really figure out what the problem
was other than it won't boot.
BTW, any reason Linux was picked
instead of say OpenSolaris? A
friend of mine works on OpenSolaris,
I could probably get him to help w/
installing it, &c. over winter break.
The zones stuff could be useful on
soda.
\_ Why? They don't want your advice, and if
you are there to help, you are expected to
blindly execute their wishes. Do you
really want to be their house nigger?
\_ um? wow.
\_ If you want to create ~wierdo/sleezepit.motd in your
homedir, where you can slander, insult, and threaten
anyone your welcome to do so according to me. The
CSUA motd should be a place where new students won't
instantly be scared off by the sheer immaturity and
low level of dialogue which occurs there. -mrauser
\_ I am not suggesting that the csua will be violating any
fundamental right by monitoring the motd; the politburo
can implement whatever policy it desires. However, I
think that perhaps they should consider the fact that
some very smart people feel that anon speech is impt.
Re the suggestion that the motd scares people off - this
isn't kindergarten; students admitted to cal ought to
have sufficient critical thinking skills to identify
inanity and ignore it (including perhaps this post).
Some of us were ugs when the motd was far less civilized
AND showed up by default; if we managed to survive viewing
it on a daily basis, the current crop of kids can too.
\- on reflection it is kind of interesting that the CSUA
has not passed a policy decision that "we will be nice
on the motd" but has directly gone to considering
de-anonymizing the motd ... which should make you all
particularly nervous ... since it seems like you are
essentially relying on the "chilling effect" of being
found out to condition behavior. ok say i call somebody
a dumbass and now that can be conclusively tracked back
to me ... am i in violation of csua policy? what policy
am i in violation of? does it matter if the person i am
calling a dumbass is not offended enough to "press charges"?
what if i dont call him a dumbass but give a detail point
by point discussion why he is wrong and this ends up
being far more humiliating than a "mere" ad hominem?
are only point-to-point insults of other sloda people
fair game? what if somebody discusses outsourcing of
programmers or back office stuff and suggests (all)
indians are incompetent programmers or out to use your
private tax info for identify theft type reasons?
is that grounds to piece the veil of anonymity and
smack somebody down? if youa re not even going to entertain
the notion of the smackdown, what is the point of the
ability to deanonymize? and if the smack down is on the
table, what are the grounds. the solitary grounds i can
think possibly for a smackdown is forging a post as
the danhimal iff the danimal complains. say you call
the poliburo "clowns", how many of the pburo would it
take to mount a prosecution? 1? plurality? is it not ok
to call them clowns in the motd, but ok on the wall?
--psb
<<<<<<< Other Changes Below
=======
\_ Please don't un-anonymous the motd, my burgeoning troll farm will
wither. :( -John |
| 2005/10/3-5 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:39954 Activity:nil |
10/3 A confession and an announcement. A few months ago I created
an interface that allows other people to post on the motd.
It actually started as a request from someone who said he
wants to post anonymously. The membership grew to include
two of my other friends, one who actually never even attended
Berkeley! Yes, it was an interesting experiment. However things
got more and more vicious and I finally shut down the interface
last week. I also stopped posting my own trolls as well. I regret
for posting trolls and anything mean or derogatory, and for
allowing others to do the same. I take full responsibility.
I will aaron myself after I copy a few files back to my
home machine. Thanks.
\_ Post your name when you do. -emarkp
\_ I think it's funny that this is posted anonymously.
\_ Not really. What op described is a direct violation of CSUA
policy and grounds for immediate squishing.
\_ I'm not sure an anonymous confession is a confession at
all.
\_ You should be squished insofar as your interface allowed motd
overwrites. (If you went so far as to build it, you should have
built it right, and it is possible.)
\_ So, was one of yours the jblack hater guy?
\_ You owe several people personal apologies. |
| 2005/9/28 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:39902 Activity:high |
9/28 LOOTER GUY GALLERY!
http://www.looterguy.com/lootergallery1.htm -jblack
\_ Let me guess, he is black or Mexican, further proving your point
that negros and beaners are inferior to you? Go. Fuck. Yourself.
Do you want me to double the number of spam mails you have?
Alternatively I can increase the number of fax calls and
people who think you're a taxi driver within a week. Do
you want that? Yes, this is a threat. I want you to go
FUCK YOURSELF ASSHOLE.
\_ Hi psychopath jblack hating guy. Instead of posting long
threats about harrassing someone, you could go to the link
and see if you're right!
\_ Hmmm, looking to cross some legal lines and earn yourself a
restraining order? I sure hope you're just pretending to be
a nutcase, otherwise you should check your bank account.
Lawyers for even a simple defense event are very expensive.
You realise you're only "pseudo" anonymous with all that
implies, right?
\_ It's kchang, and we know it's only a matter of time before
he gets himself kicked off soda again, hopefully for good
this time. -tom
\_ squish squish squish squish squish squish squish !
\_ I think making that sort of threat on the motd is a
squishable offense. If someone with root wants to find
out who posted it. -jrleek
\_ I don't think this is a case of "wants to". I think
it is long past the point of "should have already".
This goes back to the "fresh blood" question a few
weeks ago. Why would anyone want to participate in
a .org that allows this sort of behavior to continue
unchecked?
\_ I would assume it's unchecked because the target
of abuse hasn't complained.
\_ We're a .edu. Incompetent bureacracy, arbitrary
decision making, and patronage politics are par for
the course!
\_ http://forum.ebaumsworld.com/showthread.php?t=91870&page=1&pp=15
\_ For those who are bothered by this, here's a more ethnically
neutral gallery of bad guys:
http://www.jamesbondmm.co.uk/bond-villains.php -John |
| 2005/9/21 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:39787 Activity:nil |
9/20 [deleted, just to irritate the jblack baiter] -emarkp
\_ Wow, you've reach a new low, emarkp. -different anon baitor
\_ Hi anonymous troll! At least I can spell "baiter". -emarkp
(And I sign my name.)
\_ Yes holy one! I will! I will! And God Bless -anon |
| 2005/9/19 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:39754 Activity:high |
9/19 Having fun yet, jblack? Do me a favor. Take a shower and take an
etiquette class so that you can get yourself a girlfriend.
Please get a fucking life and fucking stop your freeper crap.
\_ So, what, did you delete another jblack link?
\_ It continues to crack me up that you post this crap anonymously. I
may have to start posting freeper links just to irritate you.
-emarkp |
| 2005/9/14 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack, Politics/Domestic/President/Reagan, Politics/Domestic/Immigration] UID:39677 Activity:very high Cat_by:auto |
9/14 Justin Black (jblack) is a rapist^H^H^H^H^H^Hracist RACIST RACIST
\_ This is fucking bullshit, and you are a fucking tool. Asshole?
Crazy? Anti-immigrant? A liar? Brainwashed by the right? Sure.
But none of that adds up to bona fide racist.
\_ http://csua.com/?entry=27349
http://csua.com/?entry=27430
\_ Boy, I'm convinced now.
\_ I assumed the links were supposed to be pointing out
that calling jblack a racist is a common idiotic
troll.
\_ And water is wet and the sun is bright. Your point?
\_ that's not illegal
\_ I know, I just want everyone in the Bay Area to know. There's
no place better than the tolerant Bay Area to be a KKK, racist,
immigrant hater, SUV driver, gay & lesbian basher, Bush
and Reagan worshippoer, a Republican.
\_ Actually, it might be. Isn't that libel?
\_ Hey anonymous jblack hating guy! Hows it ging in your sty?
\_ Only if it's provably not true.
\_ Maybe not. The problem is that the term "racist" doesn't
really carry much weight these days, everyone is a "racist".
Mix up Korean and Chinese - racist. Think rap isn't music,
racist.
The other problem may be that jblack rep is so low (not
really sure why, but everyone seems to hate him) that an
accusation of being a racist might not hurt him.
[ Note the other elements of libel are probably met ]
\_ Hey anonymous jblack hating guy! Hows it going in your sty?
\_ My current working theory is that this is jblack himself,
engaging in self-bashing to try and generate sympathy.
\_ can you blame a guy for hating his surname?
\_ Sure. |
| 2005/9/10-12 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:39613 Activity:nil Cat_by:auto |
9/9 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/talking_point/4218536.stm Read the last comment by Paul, Atlanta, USA. Hey Justin Black, is that your best friend from high school? \_ Do you mean Zachery? \_ They took Paul out. BBC censors!!! It was written in the purest jblack style, with that "It's the poor people's fault because they're stupid and lazy and they deserve to die" tone. That, followed by something to the effect of "Go Bush!" |
| 2005/9/9-13 [Recreation/Dating, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack, Reference/Military] UID:39594 Activity:kinda low Cat_by:auto |
9/9 http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-sailor9sep09,0,3280311.story COMPTON--... Hipolito, his wife and his 16-year-old brother had been looking at CDs, passing the hour it would take for their car stereo to be repaired. ... two assailants had asked the brothers: Where are you from, what gang? The Hipolitos said they were from nowhere, no gang. Osiel Hipolito ... told the men: I'm in the U.S. Navy. ... Sheriff's officials said the Hipolitos had no connection to any gang activity ... Then the gunman starts shooting with a semiautomatic weapon, first at Hipolito, who falls to the ground, and then into the abdomen of his wife ... -jblack \_ Please don't ascribe posts to me I have nothing to do with. This seems to be happening on a daily basis. As if I even read the LA Times. -jblack \_ Congratulations! You finally signed your name for the first time ever! Tell us how it feels. Come on, don't be shy... \_ To paraphrase John Kerry on his life-changing secret mission into Cambodia on Christmas Eve, it is a life changing experience. \_ And you're one to talk... why? -jrleek \_ Justin, I find it interesting that while you signed your name to clarify that you're not the original poster, you make no attempt to reject the accusation below that you're a racist. Now that we're clear on your stance on race, and you seem darn open about it, is there anything else you'd want us to know about you? Do you also hate Jews and fags? How about these damn foreigners taking our jobs? Please respond to this thread, otherwise I'll take your silence as yes and yes about these damn foreigners taking our jobs? \_ I've always been told that if you get into a fight with a swine, you both get dirty, but the swine likes it dirty. That may or may not have anything to do about jblack's reluctance to engage his attacker. - !jblack \_ So it makes no difference what you say, really. They just need to shoot someone. I'm sure you'll get shot at no matter what. \_ No. This is what you say: "It is against the law for you to attack me, and I am calling the police." Remember, the police is there to protect you. \_ Yes, Justin Black (jblack@eecs.berkeley.edu and jblack@csua.berkeley.edu), we know that you hate nigers, beaners, I hate bad spellers _/ -!jblack chinks, and what not. Is there anything else you want to add? \_ I love how you treat this like some kind of contest between you and jblack to see who can be the bigger butt-hole. Even more amazing is that you seem to be winning. \_ As long as you classify him as a butthole, I don't care what you call me. Thank you. I'll worker harder from now on. \_ You do realize that all you're doing it to cause some of feel sympathy for jblack. \_ Yes, it's called the Rove tactic. jblack knows what he is doing when he insults himself. Go Bush!!! |
| 2005/9/7-9 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:39558 Activity:nil |
9/7 jblack, type "wall y" and then join with us for a deep discussion.
Wall is like IRC group chat, except it's usually for elite sodan
only. See you around. |
| 2005/9/6-7 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:39529 Activity:nil |
9/6 jblack, your test failed miserably. Join me and our brethren in
the new conservative motd: http://csua.org/motd |
| 2005/8/24-25 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:39247 Activity:low |
8/24 I'm usually the one deleting jblack's posts but this time I didn't
do it. Someone else beat me to it. Justin Black, I guess you've
exhausted our kindness and patience. I have nothing more to say
except to wish you luck finding conservative motds somewhere else.
You're free to post your Delaunay triangulation question on the
Freeper site since you're such a loyal member. Take care.
\_ Um who declared the soda motd conservative or liberal, exactly?
\_ Woah there Putin. Let's try to back of the censorship a bit there.
Question restored.
\_ When the revolution comes people who don't know what the word
censorship means will be the first against the wall.
\_ My friend, the revolution has already begun and to speak
ill of it is unpatriotic and borders on treason.
\_ Since soda is a government resource, being selectively
denied use of it is a form of censorship. Especially
if the one doing the deleting is a government employee.
\_ This argument is so breathtakingly bad, it must be
satire. I don't support censorship of jblack, but come
on...By this logic, any student denied entry to Berkeley
is having his rights taken away, since it is a government
resource he is being denied access to.
\_ Hey, does someone want to figure out who is doing that, so I can
laugh at them? -- ilyas
\_ Uh, I'm not sure exactly what happened, but your information
is mistaken -- I, not Justin Black, posted the original question.
Sorry, if I'd realized that the identity of the poster was so
important, I'd have signed the post. - ciyer |
| 2005/8/17-22 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:39158 Activity:low |
8/17 Did Al Gore say it? Or was it the Unabomber?
http://www.crm114.com/algore/quiz.html -jblack
\_ Either you sign your name, or it gets deleted. Since you're so
persistent and tried to repost the same trash at exactly 19:02,
23:40, 23:57, so on and so forth, I've done you a favor and signed
for you. God Bless. -god
\_ [self-deleted for further investigation] -- ilyas
\_ Hey look politburo, root abuse! -- ilyas
\_ when sys admins attack...
\_ Hey look politburo, root abuse! The only people with soda root
I don't know are dlong, erikk and brett. erikk hasn't been on
since Monday. So, ... I am fairly sure it's one of the remaining
two who is abusing. At least one current root agrees with me
this kind of root usage constitutes abuse. Incidentally, where
are all the fuckers who were calling for my squishage due to
motd deletions? Cat got your tongue? Or is this one of those
'nuanced situations' I keep hearing about? -- ilyas
\_ [self-deleted pending further investigation] -- ilyas
\_ I sure hope you're not *abusing* root for something as stupid
as the motd. Which reminds me, just how many people have root?
It shouldn't be more than Politburo. With power comes
responsibility, etc.
\_ Arguably, it shouldn't be (all of) politburo. Arguably,
not even VP _needs_ root (we've had some severely
non-technical VPs in the past)
\_ I don't know, some allumni who have root are very
important to keeping everything running and helping out
new VPs. mconst and njh come to mind.
\_ Forgive my density, but what about the post above indicates
sb with root was involved? -- ulysses
\_ It's freakin' soda, fool. Root abuse is their only perk.
\_ Don't be lame. "It is soda so we have no standards" is
idiotic.
\_ when sys admins attack...
\_ It's not like FreeRepublic embraces everyone, you know.
\_ Which has exactly *nothing* to do with root abuse on soda.
\_ You didn't sign your name, and I don't like what you're
saying, AND I think you're a jerk. Should I delete your
post?
\_ There's not a single mention of "internet"? Wow.
\_ boring |
| 2005/8/8 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack, Politics/Domestic/RepublicanMedia] UID:39045 Activity:moderate |
8/8 jblack, nice try, but no cigar. Let me give you a hint. The type and
the duration of your command has absolutely no bearing on whether
they're detectable or not. I CAN SEE YOU! Surprise surprise! Take
your trash elsewhere, or better yet, sign your name and we'll
gladly leave your trash around.
\_ Fuck you and die, you censoring shithead. The *reason* I hate
fascist fucks like jblack is that I don't want them to turn America
into the kind of country where people can't post stuff freely on
a public message board without it being deleted by some
self-appointed thought police. You suck.
\_ ironic, isnt it? or perhaps it isn't ironic at all. *that*
would be ironic. ;-)
\_ lafeable response. ha ha.
\_ The joke here is that, of course, the above is anonymous trash.
\_ Those who have the power determine what is trash and
what is not. You sir, have no power on soda.
\_ Huh, there's a power structure on soda?
Does r00t get all the ladies / himbos?
\_ I have no idea why jblack is even bothering to try to hide his
name. AFAIK he's the only one here who reads freerepublic, so
everyone knows it's him posting anyway. On the other hand,
from jblack's point of view, this censorship campaign has to be
the best thing ever. It's making 'liberals' look like
hypocritical dickheads WAY more effectively than those
freerepublic posts ever did.
\_ There's one stupid person waging this pointless war. It doesn't
reflect on anyone other than that fucktard.
\_ I find that to be typical. One person's posts often get
needlessly characterized as some sort of contingent. Just
like the anti-Arab frothing after 9/11.
\_ I read freerepublic almost every day -moderate/liberal
\_ Really? Why? I've never seen much there that couldn't
be found easier someplace else with less drivel. Unless,
of course, you go becuase you think the drivel is funny.
\_ I knew a guy who lived in Lothlorien who used to get
incredibly stoned, pig out on vegan snacks, and troll
Freerepublic for hours at a time. --lye
\_ I got the http://peacehall.com link from there.
But yeah, mostly I look up "wedge" issues just to see how
freepers handle it. It is true ... if there's one thing
I've learned, these folks are very black/white. They get
confused by things like Roberts' pro-bono pro-gay work,
Peter Jennings dying, and Dubya pandering for the
Latino vote. |
| 2005/8/6-8 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack, Politics/Domestic/Immigration] UID:39024 Activity:high |
8/6 DeLay: Round Up Illegal Immigrants
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1457986/posts?page=1,50
\_ Look Justin, I don't know why you keep posting stuff from
freerepublic, but it's getting pretty annoying. And if you
want to deny it, you can't, because I clocked you editting
files that match with contents on motd. Nice try hiding
your identity, but you can't match our root power. Fuck off.
jblack Justin Black BG Sat 00:51 ( vi immigration )
jblack BG 55665 0:00.03 sec vi immigration
jblack BG 55665 0:00.01 sec cp immigration
\- what exactly are yoy unhappy about? i agree it seems
leem to mask the website but people are free to post
as often as they want, short of some kind of denial of
service level of churn and they are welcome to seek
anonymity just like you are free to post your evidence
"outing" him. how much trouble is it to not go to the
web site? isnt this sort of the "gay marriage in CA
ruins my boy-girl marriage in IA" type thinking?
sometimes closing your eyes is a reasonable answer.
i recommend seeking him out and deliver a beating
if you dont like him. --psb
if you dont like him.
\_ The number and persistence of the swiftboat trolls
during the election was borderline spam. -!pp
\_ Why hasn't jblack signed form 180? What is he
hiding?
\_ What are you using your mighty root powers to prove that
jblack posted a freerepublic link? We all know it was
him anyway, no one else here even seems to read
freerepublic. Why don't you use your mightly powers to
find the guy who keeps replacing links with porn or the
guy who keeps signing other people's names to posts?
jblack is harmless.
\_ jblack ttyBG 128.32.41.224 Sat Aug 6 00:51 - 00:53 (00:01)
Actually you don't need to use the root power (yet). Just
look at the login log, if he logs in for less than 5 min,
cross reference with the motd log, and you'll see a pattern.
After getting caught using motdedit, he's been doing clever
things to avoid detection, but everything can be traced, if you
are willing to work a little bit harder. And if jblack starts
spamming, by all means, use the force^H^H^H^H^Hroot. You have
my endorsement.
\_ The 'endorsement' of some random to abuse use root heap
abuse on a member because you disagree with their political
philosophy and want to silence them? Yeah, great. Thanks
for doing your part to make the world a better place.
\_ logical, soft spoken liberals like you is the reason why
the conservatives are winning. It's time we take a
more hardcore approach like the conservatives and fight
fire with fire. Freeper censors? So can we. Freeper
uses immature (and SUCCESSFUL) tactics? So can we.
We are at WAR with the conservatives, damnit and we
will use whatever arsenal we have.
\_ Uhm, no. Get some perspective. This is the motd.
You're "at WAR" (sheesh). The guy posts a freeper
link with a 1 line comment a few times a week. If
that sort of "hardcore approach" is too much for you,
I suggest you "fight fire with fire" and post a link
to the democraticunderground site with a 1 line
comment a few times a week. That'll show that "we"
can use "immature (and SUCCESSFUL) tactics" as well!
Then at some point (after you've gotten some
perspective) you can explain how a few freeper links
is so threatening *and* "SUCCESSFUL" to the point that
you would have to do something *HIGHLY UNETHICAL* like
_abuse_ root privs. All this entire thread tells me is
the CSUA seems to have too many people with root. "We"
don't support abusing root on a CSUA machine in a weak
attempt to somehow advance *your* childish "WAR". Get
some perspective. The CSUA does not need a reputation
as the place where the kiddies are playing with root to
abuse each other. That's a great way to kill the CSUA.
\_ I concur. We are on the road to civil war, and it's
time to prepare for the fight.
\- defenders of the liberal faith who worry about some
doofus on the motd while the xtian fundamentalists
are keeping their eye on the ball is why "conservatives
are winning" (well that is not why, but it is a more
valid criticism than charges of being "soft" in the
context of the motd ... i fully support calling people
liars or incompetents etc rather than saying toning
down say public debates about the iraq war etc).
\_ So you support or don't support abusing root to
serve a highly questionable non-CSUA purpose?
\_ To paraphrase, conservatives are winning because
liberals are dumb. -- ilyas
\_ "Conservatives" aren't winning, idiots are winning.
It's hard to argue rationally with a cretinous thug,
no matter what your political persuasion is. -John
\_ I think the only cretinous thugs in this exchange
are the root-abusing idiots. jblack didn't do
anything wrong, he is just hated. Anyways, I
support removing everyone not currently a student
from root@csua, like poster above. -- ilyas
\_ No, jblack's barrage of fr garbage is very much
"cretinous". It's pointless, uninformative,
vitriolic shit in the form of teasing. I don't
care what his viewpoints are. Post something
that is not vitriolic shit and we'll talk. As
for abusing root, well, yes. -John
\_ The guy posts a few random links a week to
a site run by the extreme right wing. So
what? That's hardly a barrage and compared
to the rest of the wall/motd is one of the
least offensive posters here. Abusing
root privs is far more disturbing and
disruptive than any amount of random posts
of any sort by anyone.
\_ Whatever. By this standard, the vast
majority of the motd is like this, without
any help from external sources. By your
definition, 'cretinous thugs' have won on
the motd and wall long ago, or rather, I
rarely if ever saw either place rise
far above FR levels. Honestly, have we been
reading the same motd all this time? -- ilyas
\_ No, not "whatever". At least you (a)
sign your posts, and (b) have some sort
of contributory logic to your political
argumentation (i.e. links and arguments
that you post have _some_ intrinsic value
as you seem to have put some thought into
them instead of just spewing shit, even
if it's usually wrongthink--for example,
I find your generalizations about
"liberals" to be disappointing and below
what I would expect from you.)
By my definition, "cretinous thugs" are
rampant on the motd and wall, alongside
a lot of other stuff. -John
\_ Ilyas, I hate to pull out an old cliche,
but "pot, kettle, black." You are one of
the biggest shit-disturbers around.
\_ Uh, in that case almost every motd
poster is a shit-disturber. I don't
think I have ever trolled for the sake
of trolling, believe it or not.
-- ilyas
\- ^dumb^hedonists
\_ "Evil will always triumph over good, because good is
dumb." --Lord Dark Helmet
\_ "I would remind you that extremism in the defense of
liberty is no vice. And let me remind you also that
moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue."
\_ So posting a few freeper links is going to harm
or even eliminate liberty in this country? If
liberty were so fragile it would have no value.
Again: get perspective.
\- a lot of these conservatives are energized to
extremely curtail the liberty to vices such as
assmastery, while giving a pass to a moderate amount
of torture or invading a country on false pretenses.
\_ "nothing prepares the way for tyranny more than
the failure of public officials to keep the
streets safe from bullies and marauders".
\_ And from assmasters. -John
\_ You're starting to sound like a communist revolutionary.
You also assign far too much importance to these tactics
and too little importance to the likability of actual
candidates. Kerry almost won, so did Gore, and I think
a lot of people would agree that, well, they both had
character/image "issues". They also had an unclear
platform, basically health care plans and "we're not
Bush". |
| 2005/7/30-8/2 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:38892 Activity:moderate |
7/30 Why isn't jblack posting stupid Republican propagandas anymore? Did
one of you left-wing-nuts threaten him?
\_ Isn't of harassing him on the motd, how about you send him an
email and ask why he doesn't enjoy being harassed by the nutters
on the motd?
\_ "nutters" eh? That is an ironic turn of a phrase.
\_ Of course he enjoys that. He is a troll.
\_ Why ask why. He is an anonymous coward, an annoying one I may add
\_ jblack is an anonymous coward? Do you know what 'anonymous'
means? -- ilyas
\_ jblack was "outed" by motdwatchers; he didn't sign his posts
himself. hence the anonymous coward tag.
\_ Yes, yes, but now that he is outed, he isn't anonymous now,
is he? -- ilyas
\_ once an anon coward, alwayn an anon coward. At least
emarkp signs his name and stands by his opinions,
jblack posts something and refuses to answer our
questions. Now, I'll sign my name. -anon coward #99
\_ You are the lowest form of motd life. -- ilyas
\_ The expression in question is "anonymous coward."
From Wikipedia: "'A.C.' is a term applied within
some online communities to describe users who post
without a handle [...]." It has to do with how one
chooses to post, not whether or not one is actually
able to maintain his/her anonymity. |
| 2005/7/30-8/2 [Reference/BayArea, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:38888 Activity:moderate |
7/30 Almost without fail, whenever I tell people outside of the Bay
Area that I graduated from Berkeley I get a brunt of hippie/
tree-hugger jokes. Has Berkeley always been known for this or is
this a result from the 60's/ 70's movements? Was it always liberal
or did it lack a theme before? (i.e. UCI)
\_ I think you meant e.g.
\_ I think they're singling you out for hassling on this subject for
some other reason. I still find that the Berkeley name is equated
with top-notch hard science in the minds of most people. What's
really annoying is all the fuckers on the east coast who'll assume
you went to Berkeley school of music in New York.
you whent to Berkeley school of music in New York.
\_ ^Berkeley^Berklee.
\_ and ^New York^Boston
\_ Maybe you need a haircut.
\_ I got a lot of this in SoCal and the mid-west, but I've been
working w/ the same community so long that it turned into more
of a ritual tease than anything. Just as I acted surprised if they
ever had a pleasant day weather-wise or knew anything about
culture. :-) Oh, and it might've been my various combinations
of sandals, beard, or ponytail.
\_ Went to Texas on business last week, and a colleague from West
Virginia actually asked, "Are you one of them liberals?"
\_ HA HA HA. So what's your response, and what's a good response?
\_ I think the normal response is, "No! Please don't hurt
me!"
\_ When I read things like that, a little part of me dies and
I realize someone like Bush will be President for a long long
time.
\_ jblack is from Virginia. Justin, wanna say something? I didn't
think so. |
| 2005/7/22-25 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:38778 Activity:nil |
7/22 I'm bored and depressed and I need my dosage of idiocy on motd to
cheer me up. jblack, please come back and post something stupid, I
promise to not make fun of you this time. Thanks.
\_ Why don't you just go to freerepublic? |
| 2005/7/16-18 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:38662 Activity:nil |
7/16 I hate to say this but if troll is defined as the ratio between
how much you post and how much response you get, then jblack is
the MASTER OF TROLLER. For every line of pro-Bush troll he posts,
there are literally hundreds of responses. I salute to you,
jblack. You are the MASTER OF TROLLER. You rule.
\_ I call bullshit on that. He's been posting his freeper trash and
lies about John Kerry for ages, and the vast majority of it is
ignored. The flame-froth generator in this case is whatever liberal
has recently got a bug up his ass about jblack's trash and is
actually starting to post rants in response. |
| 2005/7/13-14 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:38603 Activity:low |
7/13 Just out of curiosity, who's the fanatic motd spammer? I'm not so
interested in the politics of it, but it just somehow reminds me of the
random guy in SF yelling about UFOs. -John
\_ finger jblack!
\_ Yeah, I have, and his .plan is one of someone who's very, uh,
convinced, but it doesn't indicate total insane wacko. -John
\_ 12 GALAXIES!!
\_ According to Tom Holub they are jblack, reiffin, crebbs, and ecchang
\_ [Don't name random names if you don't know what you're talking
about. Thanks.] |
| 2005/7/12 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:38582 Activity:nil |
7/12 If you are going to delete all replies to your Freeper links,
I am going to delete your links. |
| 2005/7/12-14 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:38576 Activity:nil |
7/12 What You Don't Know About Guantanamo Bay And What the MSM
Won't Tell You: http://tinyurl.com/ajkk7 (freeper link)
\_ The silence is a bit deafening about the three senators who visited
gitmo and said it's run very well.
\_ Spin spin spin little Freeper. I notice you still haven't
commented on your favorite traitor Rove. |
| 2005/7/12 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:38565 Activity:nil |
7/12 So is it too early to talk about what the appropriate punishment
for Karl Rove would be? Do they still hang traitors in wartime?
I sure would love to see that fat bastard dancing at the end
of a rope. How about you jblack, you seem to be a patriotic
guy. What do you think an appropriate punishment for Rove
would be? |
| 2005/7/11 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:38537 Activity:nil |
7/11 Truth about Laura Bush:
http://209.157.64.201/focus/f-news/1450782/posts [jblack] |
| 2005/7/11-12 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:38536 Activity:nil 66%like:38512 |
7/5 Real lesson of Vietnam [jblack]
http://www.washtimes.com/commentary/20050701-085018-1545r_page2.htm
\_ uh oh, looks like our Red Neck Republican jblack figured out
how to post anonymously. FEAR!!!
\_ Attack the article, not the person if you have any honor.
\_ "if you have any honor" (unlikely on the motd) |
| 2005/7/11-12 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:38528 Activity:nil |
7/11 Dear Freeper Guy: When you piss all over the motd with ip address
based links, we still know its you.
\_ It's "it's", concat of "it is", you stupid LIBERAL.
\_ Hi jblack. You have issues. Really. Seek help. |
| 2005/7/11 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack, Recreation/Humor] UID:38527 Activity:nil |
7/11 http://www.freerepublic.com/images/freepathon/petersvi20-vi.gif http://www.freerepublic.com/images/freepathon/DemsJumpO-vi.jpg Funny comic [jblack] \_ immature not so funny conservative comics to be deleted |
| 2005/7/11-12 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:38526 Activity:nil |
7/11 Hey, jblack have you ever seen a psychologist? I think you
might have OCD.
http://www.ocfoundation.org/ocf1010a.htm
\_ Hi lye. Are you a stalker? -not jblack
\_ Hi "not jblack." I didn't post the above, but thanks for asking!
Smooches! --lye
\_ Oh sorry. I was using the infallible Kais MOTD diff |
| 2005/7/11-12 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:38514 Activity:nil |
7/10 Nope. Sorry jblack. No post for you until you answer our questions.
\_ Please email me at jblack@eecs.berkeley.edu jblack@csua.berkeley.edu
I am a Republican and I hate immigrants, nigers, and chinks. You're
free to disagree with me but I think you libUral fuckers should
just go fuck yourselves. You guys lost, get over it.
God Bless. -jblack
\_ Go fuck yourself, censor. -!jblack
\_ Yes, and don't you believe the Dear MOTD Readers should be allowed
to decide that for themselves? -John
\_ Pathetic, small-minded herd animal. -- ilyas
\_ I like how you figure the way to show jblack how to be
intelligent and well-reasoned is to be an even bigger flaming
jerk. You = teh awesome!
\_ come on, where's your sense of being a Republican? Let's use
his logic on himself-- jblack's opinion differs from that of
mainstream motd and spreads dissent, therefore, he is a motd
terrorist who has no right to speak. Since he's a motd
terrorist, let's torture and humiliate jblack for a while like
what we're doing in Guantanamo Bay. Maybe we can even extract
useful information. Bring it on. God Bless.
\_ And if someone does something *really* devastating to the
motd, we can always invade OCF.
\_ good one! :)
\_ I don't understand how you think that selective censorship
makes your point. Let jblack post his Freeper posts, they do
more to discredit him than anything you could possibly say. -ausman |
| 2005/7/10-12 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:38507 Activity:nil |
7/10 So why are all the popular right wing blogs either blocked for
comments, or closed to new members, while all the popular
moderate and lefty blogs allow comments?
\_ Because rightwingers hate freedom.
\_ Yeah, please tell us why, jblack. Why don't you ever respond to us?
\_ Why does this matter to you so much?
\_ Because there are many more immature lefty flamebaiters.
\_ Have you ever perused free republic? If I ran a right-wing blog,
I wouldn't want those children posting on my site either.
\_ The Free Republic is the worst censor of the bunch. |
| 2005/7/8-9 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:38489 Activity:low |
7/8 It's been a while since the freeper guy posted anything. Where
is he and why isn't he trolling?
\_ The freeper guy is dead. Long live jblack. |
| 2005/7/5 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:38420 Activity:nil |
7/5 Oh cool, an old motd. jblack go censor crazy or something?
\_ Huh?
\_ Maybe it's because I used the word VAGINA! -- ilyas
\_ Huh? |
| 2005/6/29-30 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:38350 Activity:moderate |
6/30 WTF is the fucking motd politics censor doing back? Get a life.
\_ I'm deleting ALL of jblack's stuff because he is such an ass,
first masquerading freeper sites with IP, then trolling anti
anti-Bush trolls with his trolls, then ignoring questions
I ask him. I will deny EVERY single one of jblack's posts,
regardless of the content. Fuck you Justin Black, you are now
on the Black List.
\_ I second that, fuck you jblack, FUCK OFF.
\_ No, fuck YOU! The reason I hate jblack, and the reason I feel the
need to keep argueing against the ideas posed by his kind is that
I think that if people like that are not fought our country will
fall into tyranny--the kind of tyranny where a bunch of cal
alums can't just get together on the motd and bitch about
politics for fear of censorship. But now it is YOU who has turned
this into the University of PyongYang CSUA motd.
politics for fear of censorship. But now it is YOU who has
turned this into the University of PyongYang CSUA motd.
\_ Seconded. All the censors need to fuck off. As far as I can
tell, jblack's posts are limited in quantity and only annoy
you by their content. The ip thing I don't think is an issue
(it's obvious from the "f-news/posts" or whatever), I'd be
surprised if it's actually meant to hide anything (tinyurl
would work better). So basically you're just being an idiot.
\_ damn. at least sign if you're so vitriolic.
\_ You also deleted my post, and nothing in that thread was posted
by jblack. Am I hated too? Please, pretty please? -- ilyas
\_ If so, it's by strange people, as you're one of the more
lucid (although often mistaken) posters here. :) -John
\_ Oh yeah!? Well a sub still can't torch a carrier group!
There, I said it. -- ilyas
\_ OK, that lacked both lucidity and correctness. Sorry
to keep harping on Soviet tech, but as far as I recall
the entire point of the Antyey/Type 949 series was
to waste CBGs. Look up SS-N-19 or SS-N-22 for details
(hint: large explosions). -John
\_ You mean CVBGs
\_ I'll just throw this out, because I have
evidence to back it up, but my understanding is
that Chinese Nuke sub tech isn't very good, and
we know where all of them are.
\_ Oh let jblack have his fun. Do you really think posting
Freeper links helps bring people around to his side? -ausman
\_ I made a point of donating to the Kerry campaign whenever he
posted his fucking lies about Kerry on the motd (or at least
every fifth time or so) |
| 2005/6/19-22 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:38190 Activity:nil |
6/19 jblack, tell us a little bit about yourself. Why did you vote for
George W Bush, and what are some Republican values you like and
dislike? Also, tell us what you think about Bush's War. Was it a
right decision, and has it made US and the world safer? Lastly,
what do you think about gays, lesbians, and immigrants? Curious. |
| 2005/6/7-8 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:37998 Activity:high |
6/7 Los Alamos Whistleblower Beaten
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1417842/posts
Similar to the whisteblower on Loral / Clinton
\_ Wow, freepers are blaming it on Clinton... amazing...
\_ Obligatory snort of derision at use of freeper link.
\_ The photos at top were worth it.
Do the Liberal Elite always snort with derision at freeper links?
\_ The photos are available elsewhere as well. Any sane person
should snort with derision at freeper links.
\_ Wow, the Bush goons will stop at nothing to cover up evidence
of their wrongdoing. I love how the Freeper all try to pin
it on the "unions." Are there even unions at Los Alamos?
\_ Are you a dumb liberal? You sound like one.
The likely culprit is one or two specific Los Alamos employees
-- identities unknown.
Remember Los Alamos was the place where two workers were put on
investigative leave for misusing government credit cards (one
had spent $30K on a customized Ford Mustang) to a total of $900K.
\_ Go check your facts. This was how it was reported but is
not the truth. Of course your media won't report the truth.
Later in 2002 two other people in LANL bldg maintenance were
accused by 5 co-workers for using LANL funds to buy camping
equipment, GPS tools, a picnic table and lawn chairs, etc. for
their own use.
University of California oversees LANL, so possesses blame for
allowing the situation to get to the point where someone hires
thugs to fuck up the whistleblower.
Whether or not a union is involved, well, that's just freeper
talk.
\_ Which is exactly why it's really lame to post a freeper link
when the info is available just about everywhere else.
\_ This is a Federal Lab, therefore funded and under control
of Federal authorities. When did "The Buck Stops Here"
go out of fashion?
go out of fashion? Are you a brainwashed Bushbot?
You sure sound like one.
\_ Step back Troll! I have a +5 Flaming Sword & Oil Flasks!!1
\_ Hey, I am giving an eye for an eye.
\_ Hey, I am just giving an eye for an eye. |
| 2005/6/1-3 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:37911 Activity:low |
6/1 Come on jblack, why do you keep deleting this? Why don't you
explain why you keep posting stuff from freerepublic and
insist on changing the URL back to IP addresses?
\_ Who the fuck is jblack anyway? -dans
\_ Swiftboat troll, freeper troll, and anti-immigrant WND troll.
\_ What era? I'm trying to figure out why I can't place him in
my mental map of CSUA history. -dans
\_ He never went to Cal as an undergrad. He's a grad student.
\_ Right, but what era? Is he a current grad student?
What department? Is he a grad student from days of
yore? Heckling minds want to know -dans
\_ http://www-bsac.eecs.berkeley.edu/~jblack
Apparently he's kind of shy and refuses to reply.
\_ That's okay, I'm an equal opportunity heckler.
-dans
\_ tell us about your childhood as a Red Neck Republican in Virginia |
| 2005/5/15-17 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:37698 Activity:nil |
5/15 Justin Black, please expand all freeper URLs instead of using IPs.
Until you do that, I'm deleting all of your stuff.
\_ % finger jblack
I'm confused. There are a lot of Clinton bashing, Reagan
worshipping trash, mixed with quotes that point out why private
land ownership is bad, mixed with why gun control is bad.
Who the hell is Justin Black? |
| 2005/3/17 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:36735 Activity:nil |
3/17 Quiz from Discovery Channel:
According to FBI, arrest records indicate that the typical terrorist
is a:
a) black
b) white
c) Hispanic
d) Asian
e) Homosexual
Which one is the right answer?
\_ According to NIH records, which ethnic group has the shortest
life expectancy for males?
a) black
b) white
c) Hispanic
d) asian.
\_ Asians don't commit crimes. It's the fucking black dude.
\_ Averaged across all of the US? Quite possibly white (especially
given that whites are still well in the majority nation-wide). But,
given the kind of points you're likely trying to make -- is that
really the question you want to be asking?
\_ You're getting it. I'm trying to illustrate a certain point by
posting this question. Let's see who gets it. -- OP
\_ Gets what? That you're probably a racist fuck with a
hardline agenda and little understanding or desire to
understand the underlying social issues driving the
phenomenon on which your superficial interpretation of
carefully gathered tidbits of information is based? I
think that was pretty obvious from the outset. Maybe I'm
wrong, and you're not the freeper-storm bastard I think
you are -- if that's the case I'll even apologize and have
the good grace to feel like a knee-jerk over reacting fool
....but I don't think I'm wrong.
\_ Proportionally speaking, the answer is (a)!
In absolute numbers, the answer is (b)!
To complete the (factual) troll: (d) is always the smallest!
\_ not in China |
| 2005/3/9-10 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack, Transportation/Car/RoadHogs] UID:36600 Activity:low 75%like:36642 |
3/9 This Friday: Berkeley Critical Mass 12th Birthday ride! Party after.
http://www.berkeleycriticalmass.org
\_ When are they going to start the protest where they ride around
throwing maltov cocktails at SUVs? I'd go to that.
throwing molotov cocktails at SUVs? I'd go to that.
\_ Gasoline to $2.50 by summer. About half of the necessary $5.
\_ So maltov cocktails are half-off, what's the problem?
\_ So molotov cocktails are half-off, what's the problem?
\_ what's maltov coctails?
\_ Molotov. Glass bottle with gasoline inside and a burning
rag which is thrown. Standard rioter equipment.
\_ Named after Russian Foreign Mister Vyacheslav
Mikhailovich Molotov. Used by the Finns to stop
the Russian advance into Finland during the 1940
border war. Used by partisans and freedom fighters
worldwide, as well as rioters.
\_ I was personally sad that no one threw a molotov at
W's limo during the inauguration. If 100 brave Liberals
threw them then they'd surely make a statement. However,
I guess Liberals are just whining chickens. Yeah, a
bunch of pussies. -disillusioned Freeper
\_ d00d, security was a bitch. If you could throw
a molotov, you could throw a satchel bomb.
security screenings took everything including fruit,
so the most you could throw was a snowball
\_ and yet, no one even spitted at or threw a
snowball. They had this stupid "Turn your back
on Bush" crap which no media even showed. At least
during the first inauguration someone threw fruits
\_ snowball was thrown; if you spit, you had to
hock your loogie over the two-row deep line
of police
\_ If mamby-pamby liberuls chewed like real
men, they could do it.
\_ Hey, wait... can you chew marijuana?
\_ speaking of tools and cranks. |
| 2005/3/3 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:36506 Activity:moderate |
3/2 [troll about troll re-deleted re-deleted]
\_ MY FREEPER POSTS ARE NOT TROLLS. THEY ARE SERIOUS ATTEMPTS
TO EDUCATE MY IGNORANT BRETHREN.
\_ MY FREPER POSTSAR OT TROLLS. THEY RE SERIOUS TTEMPTS
O DUATE MY GORN BRETHRE
_ ouve eve ere ave y
Y EEER OTSA T TRS. THY ARE IGNORNT ATTEMPTS
O UCTE YSEISRETH. |
| 2005/2/20 [Politics, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack, Computer/SW] UID:36337 Activity:nil |
2/20 Want to talk about politics? Go to freep or other web sites. jwang,
you're slacking off and you owe me one.
\_ Fuck your momma, asshole. |
| 2005/2/15-16 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack, Recreation/Humor] UID:36189 Activity:kinda low |
2/15 Funniest thing I have seen in a long time:
http://www.stopabductions.com
I can't tell if he is serious or not...
\_ I've posted that a million times before on the motd, and it gets
deleted every time. What makes you so special?
\_ The secret is to post it with a freeper troll, so the motd
censor feels self-righteous and deletes the obvious bait
and leaves the other one alone. |
| 2005/1/20 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:35807 Activity:high |
1/20 I noticed a sharp drop in motd activities after 1/10. Less political
trolls, esp. Anything significant happened after that date?
\_ Freeper guy signed up for reserve duty and got shipped
to Iraq painting smiley faces on cluster bomblets.
\_ Some misguided soul started deleting anything vaguely political.
Fortunately, that person seems to have given up. |
| 2004/10/21 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:34276 Activity:nil |
10/21 Thank you for the carpet bomb, freeper troll! Can we have another? |
| 2004/10/17-18 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:34177 Activity:nil |
10/16 Freeper Link Storm Detected on Soda
http://www.biteme.com/you/irritating/troll.html |
| 2004/6/8 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:30663 Activity:very high |
6/8 To those who say all freeper links are trash, I really appreciated
the D-Day freeper link a couple days ago. Freeper troll: If you
post more interesting links that aren't just right-wing frothing,
maybe people won't delete them. - liberal, not a censor.
\_ I am also a non-censoring liberal who often reads the freeper links.
I think the most annoying thing about the links is their lack of
explanation when posted to the motd. Most freeper links are
really just cut and pasted from some other source. Why not say
"http://www.freerepublic.com/rightwingrant.html [reprint of
editorial from LA times] or something?
\_ I'd really like to see stuff of the form:
"http://freerepublic.com/rant.html
LA Times story on how $LIBERAL is a $ADJECTIVE $NOUN"
rather than just "<DEAD>123.45.67.89/xyz.html"<DEAD> which looks
just like a spam URL.
\_ See, if you're just going to repost an article from the LA
Times, why not link directly to the LA Times? Post a link to
the content, not a link to a link to the content. If you're
trying to highlight the Freeper debate, then say so when you
post your link to it. |
| 2004/3/25 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:12860 Activity:nil |
3/25 Why is the freep down? Was it the liberals?
\_ Its been installed on the new Mars probe. Freep couldn't find
any intelligent life on Earth, so its continuing its mission
elsewhere... |
| 2004/3/3 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:12496 Activity:nil |
3/3 Jesus, Freeper Guy, why not just put a link to free republic's main
site and caption it, "DEAR GOD! THE LIBRULS ARE RUINING THE COUNTRY,
OH WOE!" and save the space.
\_ I think he's doing a fine job. Seeing those links day after day,
I'm converted. Hey Freeper, what do we do about this shit? Should
I buy a firearm and sign up somewhere? Lead us! -freeper #1 fan |
| 2004/2/21 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:12340 Activity:nil |
2/22 <freeper anonymous lover's idiots list deleted> - hamc |
| 2004/1/29 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:11994 Activity:nil |
1/29 ILLEGALS RISE 15% SINCE BUSH PLAN
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1067342/posts
\_ We are the knights who say "FREEP! FREEP! FREEP!" |
| 2003/6/20 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:28786 Activity:nil 80%like:28791 |
6/20 I've narrowed down the censorer(s) to: jblack and rory. Anybody
else can confirm?
\_ rory, you fucker! - danh
\_ are you kidding me? Is this a joke? Everybody knows its
jwang anyway. - rory
\_ I'm neither of those two nor the culprit, but does it really
matter that much to you who's censoring the motd?
\_ yes
\_ this motd will self-destruct in 5 seconds.
\_ If you kill me, I will only become stronger than you can imagine. |
| 2003/2/7-8 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:27347 Activity:moderate |
2/7 Who the fuck is ecchang?
\_ Login: ecchang Name: Eric Chang ~{VY;T~}
Directory: /home/sequent/ecchang Shell: /usr/local/bin/ksh
On since Fri Feb 7 08:46 (PST) on ttyCE from 129.89.38.24
On since Thu Feb 6 20:52 (PST) on ttyE5, idle 1:58, from 129.89.38.24
Mail last read Fri Feb 7 09:11 2003 (PST)
No Plan.
\_ I thought it's who the fuck is aubie?
\_ woof
\_ ooooh. don't fuck with ksh users.
\_ the real question is, what relationship does he have to the CSUA
and why does he troll the MOTD
\_ Hey, did you fall for my "You have new mail." trick?
\_ It's none of your fucking business what connection he has.
Just because someone doesn't show at every fucking donut run
or never posted a stupid haiku on the wall doesn't mean he
doesn't have the *same* right to be here that you do. Who
the fuck are *you* and what "relationship" do *you* have with
the CSUA and why do *you* troll the MOTD? Asshole. -!ecchang
\_ My relationship with the CSUA is as a long-time
participant and two-time VP. How about you?
And while he might have the same right as me to be
here (though if he's not at Berkeley or even in the
Bay Area, that may be questionable), it certainly seems
odd that someone would spend time trying to annoy people
in an organization he has never had any contact with.
Don't you think? -tom
\_ it's a good thing you're justified in annoying the
piss out of absolutely everyone. congratulations.
\_ I don't recall there being a requirement in the bylaws
or constitution that one maintain a continuous personal
relationship that you, Tom, would approve of in order
to maintain one's access to soda/csua. As a two-time
VP, you should know that, shouldn't you? And who are
you to judge participation? He's here on the motd being
a participant. Are we all required to only discuss
football on wall and bike riding events on the motd? Is
it policy that anything *you* find annoying is annoying
to the whole group? Who died and made you God? Since
it seems to matter to you for some silly reason, I've
been around longer than you although I haven't had the
obviously distinguished honor of being a two-time VP.
Perhaps in another life I'll be as important as you and
shall have earned the right to participate in a manner
you find acceptable and maybe if I'm really lucky, I'll
even be able to erase anything from the motd I find of
no personal interest to me in the name of keeping the
trolls off the motd. Or more likely, you'll grow old
and look back and realise you were a young man full of
himself and a lot of hot air worrying too much about
trivia while life passed you by.... I pity you.
\_ ah yes, "life," like posting freerepublic links
anonymously in a forum that no one I know reads.
I should take lessons. -tom
\_ Damn, that's the thanks I get for frequently giving
you a helping hand when you get bitch slapped
around on the motd. -ecchang |
| 2003/1/17 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Kinney] UID:27130 Activity:nil |
1/16 Is there more than one free republic guy on soda, or has Kinney
just changed his methodology? Seriously, how many of you are
there?
I'm a freeper:
I read articles when they're posted: .
I hate Free Republic: |
| 2002/11/8 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack, Computer/HW] UID:26471 Activity:insanely high |
11/7 As expected, the pc thread was killed once I posted a history of
the term that suggested 1) its origin was leftist-communist, and
2) it was originally used in earnest by the lefties. Well done,
lads!
\_ Uhh, I think the thread's demise has more to do with the fact
that it was long and stupid. It's not always about 'left' or
'right' son. Sorry, no cookie.
\_ Your self-assuredness belies the meaninglessness of your
existence.
\_ Your engrish betrays the depth of your foolishness.
\_ Maybe for other threads but not when it comes to *anything*
politically on the motd. As soon as the left starts looking
stupid (takes about 6 minutes) the thread get purged. This
is 100% consistent over time but you already knew that. Why
pretend otherwise? Truth is the enemy of the left. --!op
\_ You just keep telling yourself that. All those Freeper
posts make the left look silly and weak, too.
\_ The freepers are insane and not a part of any serious
political discussion. If you want to call the freepers
"the right" then I'm going to dig up and post the idiotic
left's version of the same idiocy and pin that on you as
the typical left. I think the freeper poster is some
lefty crank troll. --conservative
\_ the main freeper poster is reiffin, who is a crank troll
but probably not a lefty. -tom
\_ Maybe. However, the person who purged the pc thread also
purged a howard stern reference in another post, which
makes it more likely that the pc thread was killed for,
well, pc reasons. -op
\_ Maybe you are just a paranoid freak with a persecution
complex. Everyone has their posts occasionally overwritten,
hence the frequent requests for people to use "me" to edit
the motd. |
| 2002/8/27-28 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack, Academia/GradSchool] UID:25704 Activity:high |
8/27 What is up with the strike?
\_ http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2002/08/27/BA124694.DTL
\_ Yeah, but what does FreeRepublic have to say about it?
\_ I don't think the owners are going to make a deal with the players. |
| 2002/6/5 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:24977 Activity:high |
6/3 Motd rating:
Inverse relevance rating: 5/10
Percent threads infected by yermom: 4/13
Freeper rant rating: 0/10
You're an idiot replies: 1/13
URL inclusions 12/13
Overall Satisfactory performance, but room
for improvement.
\_ Uhm, excuse me, but uh, fuck yourself. Thanks!
\_ ah yes. Self importance 8/10
\_ Not self important. You're wrong. Still, go fuck yourself.
\_ Self importance is exactly how it comes across.
\_ the motd is useless. we all know this.
\_ Yeah, but it's a useful sort of useless. |
| 11/26 |