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| 2013/1/28-3/3 [Academia/Berkeley, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:54592 Activity:nil |
1/28 http://sfist.com/2013/01/15/berkeley_students_whoring_themselve.php Ausman, you enjoying fresh meat? \_ I am married these days dude, why do you ask me? Plus, I never have had to pay money to get young cuties to date me. -ausman \_ Most of the Sugar Babies on the site are not that hot. \_ it's Berkeley. Beggars can't be choosers. \_ I got myself a "test" account and started looking around. Some of this is pretty funny: a (well preserved) 53 year old woman who wanted $20k a month. There were a few cute college girls in the first 20 screens, but almost all of them were in The South. I did not see even one Berkeley girl. |
| 2012/11/2-12/4 [Academia/Berkeley, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:54519 Activity:nil |
11/2 http://venturebeat.com/2012/11/01/smartest-colleges-in-america Berkeley, you're STUPID! |
| 2011/12/5-2012/1/10 [Uncategorized/Profanity, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:54249 Activity:nil |
12/4 Squick (NSFW)
http://regretfulmorning.com/2011/11/weird-sexy-toys/?pid=3315
\_ That's sick. |
| 2011/7/6-21 [Transportation/Bicycle, Uncategorized/Profanity, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:54139 Activity:nil |
7/6 RIDE BIKE!
http://video.fc2.com/a/content/201104205dsww3bS (NSFW) |
| 11/22 |
| 2011/2/1-19 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:54023 Activity:nil |
2/1 I bet you'd get a groundswell of new members if csua ran a private
WoW server
\_ I rather like the peace and quiet nowadays.
\_ Isn't the office rather popular these days?
\_ Best 24/7 LAN gaming party place ever.
\_ The height of computer science!
\_ think of all the new users you can claim to have when you set up
a private wow server, then you can send in that list to the asuc
for even more funding monies.
\_ They run newer games, grandpa.
\_ Blasphemy.
\_ WOW is the STANDARD. STANDARD premier online game. |
| 2010/7/26-8/19 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:53899 Activity:low |
7/25 Some bank now lets you photo a check for a deposit with your
phone. What do you guys think?
\_ It's a fine line between clever and stupid.
\_ It's USAA and it's awesome. They trust their customers, and no,
you can't join.
\_ Looks like a Chase ad to me?
\_ Wouldn't want to. Sounds like a headline waiting to happen.
\_ How can you search for banks that actually keep their
online presence to a minimum? Trying to find one that is
extremely conservative when it comes to online crap.
\_ Why?
\_ No interest in that lifestyle.
\_ Using computers is a "lifestyle?" Log off the CSUA
then pervert!
\_ I have no interest in the smartphone religion
please don't proselytize it.
\_ Thou shalt ssh to soda from your droid or
Burn in Everlasting Hellfire!
\_ I will laugh hard when they announce your bank is getting rid
of ATMs because "our users can just use their cell phones!"
\_ not gonna happen until cell phones can print cash.
\_ Cash? Only Terrorists and the people who support
terror industries use untraceable funds. :-P
\_ What is this cash thing? Some archaic system?
-- NTT DoCoMo Micropayments User |
| 2009/12/26-2010/2/18 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:53605 Activity:kinda low |
12/26 Mail is being retired, but will mail still be forwarded if we have
a .forward? Also, _why_ is mail being retired?
\_ one more yreason i only hire stanford grads from now on
\_ Like you have any real hiring decision power.
\_ don't recall seeing a discussion on this. it would be nice if mail
service remains.
\_ How can we contact root or the Politburo if the mail service is
retired?
\_ Twitter
\_ s/read-only/forward-only/ - and it's being done because of the lack
of will to maintain mail on our servers or something
\_ This was decided by the previous Politburo iirc. Same VP, but
different pretty much everyone else. Since it wasn't really
announced, and Politburo has gone into hibernation for the winter,
they'll figure out what they want to do with mail later. I take issue
with the fact that the previous politburo brought this up and decided
on this within a single Politburo session, avoiding an open
they'll figure out what they want to do with mail later. I take
issue with the fact that the previous politburo brought this up and
decided on this within a single Politburo session, avoiding an open
discussion on the matter (at least, looping in root, instead of just
Politburo, if not looping in csua@csua.berkeley.edu). Ah, well.
Anyway, if you think your opinion should be heard, you know where to
e-mail. --toulouse
\_ Good for you. Cloud mail is the future. Sysadm is not
about doing what has been done, but what needs to be done.
It is also about ignoring whining old farts so that you
can jump on the wagon. Any plans to shut down http://csua.com
machines completely? Do you guys plan to use a HTML page
creator for the main site?
\_ There is teaching value in running a mail server. Some of the
students may end up running one of those clouds some day.
I would not be opposed to running soda.csua as a virtual
machine, however. BTW, all user files are owned by 'nobody' at
the moment.
\_ please keep csua physical and mail running. csua shouldn't
become a lab of the bleeding edge. that's for a project
funded with $$$. woundn't mind it becomes a museum of
legacy stuff like motd, wall, and unix though
\_ the constraint is the nettaps, they are repeated costs
and the dept is seeing the csua more and more as
"extraneous"
\_ Virtually (heh) all our machines have been virtual for some
time now. Also, the owning issues was some combination of
LDAP and NFS fucking up. Back to the issue of
virtualization, we basically have precious little space in
the server room, and some failing machines. Yes, this means
that one beefy computer is shouldering pretty much all of the
burden of the CSUA, albeit in such a way that if we can ever
manage to procure another server (it was ~$4k iirc, nothing
to sneeze at) capable of running whatever VMWare's baremetal
thing is called now, we can migrate machines over (and if we
can get the fancy stuff, use VMotion). Not sure where I'm
going with this message so I'll stop here. --toulouse
\ So the following is a lie?
Welcome to Soda Mark VIII, a 4-way Xeon 2.5GHz
\_ Well, it does have 4 cores dedicated to it, each
at 2.5GHz >:) --steven
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| 2009/9/7-15 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:53340 Activity:moderate |
9/6 A professor is trying to take 337 Soda from us. He sent us an
email at 6 on Friday before the 3-day weekend. Apparently it's
almost final and we _JUST_ got notified. >:(
\_ I can donate $100. Will that help?
\_ It will help the CSUA, but it will not help the room situation.
\_ What if I donate $100 to the professor?
\_ Gee, how ethical. That's sure to convince him of our integrity!
\_ Integrity can be bought. -Republican Party
\_ Money sometimes oils the wheels of justice.
\_ Who is it? Let's email him/her/it.
\_ Professor Sequin
\_ That would be a bad idea. He doesn't like the CSUA and he has the
power to do it, so I don't think alumni could help by talking nicely.
\_ We could email the alumni association and tell them that the
main reason we give to the school is because of the CSUA. Are
you going to get another office? -ausman
\_ Yes. It will be 80% the size of our old office, and < 50%
of our current office. Calculations say that it will be a fire
hazard given our level of membership. It's keypadded so it may
mean we can't have an open door. It has a toilet that the
janitorial staff does not clean, and no door to Soda proper.
It's the former help desk 'not a help desk' room. 337 will
become an administrative office for two people.
\_ That's the old XCF office. What happened to 343?
\_ It'll still be ours, but the question of whether it
can be reverted to the CSUA office is in the air. In
the case we can't, we'll probably still have to supervise
it, from across the building. Fucking astounding.
\_ The old XCF office is probably a lot more
reasonable for what the CSUA does these days.
\_ I disagree. What do you think the CSUA does
these days?
\_ Play video games? |
| 2009/6/1-5 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:53066 Activity:moderate |
5/31 Is there anything grammatically incorrect with "Thank you so much"?
I always thought "so" is accompanied by "that". Then again,
my grammar sucks.
\_ Only a complete asshole would grammatically nitpick that
phrase if it were said to them sincerely.
\_ I am so tired of grammar Nazis.
\_ On a related not, I hate people who say this line all the time. To
me, this line shoule be reserved to moments when one greatly
appreciates what the other has done, and it should be said from the
heart. People (like my wife) who say this several times a day are
just depreciating this line to the level of "Thanks man."
\_ Thank you so much for saying this, I also hate this but
that's because it's grammatically incorrect and it drives
me NUTS to hear other people say it.
\_ http://www.suck.com/daily/98/05/08
\_ This is cool!!! Gotta show this to my wife. Now, would I lock
myself out of career advancement if I hang this up outside my
cubicle? I'm SW engineer.
\_ Only because it has that smell of 1998 all over it.
\_ I miss http://suck.com . "hey thanks, I really appreciate it"
\_ Probably not. Making fun of sales is a time honored
engineering past time. But it is kind of snarky.
\_ Why is such behavior called "overprofessionalism"? It has
nothing to do with how versatile one is with one's profession.
I'd rather call it "hypocrisy".
\_ Nothing hypocritical about it. I call it "manners". However,
you will realize why it is called "overprofessionalism"
when you realize what having "a professional attitude" is.
\_ yes, overprofessionalism is where manners begin and spiral
out of control...
\_ being oblivious is not a virtue!
\_ Troll on you BEARS. 1st and 10 troll it again, go Bears!
\_ Why do you think that is gramamatically incorrect? It isn't. |
| 2009/4/29-5/5 [Politics, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:52921 Activity:low |
4/28 Recent email on the CSUA mailing list reminded me of The Dead Alewives:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vChEPj0dXXk
\_ Are there any girls there? Are there any girls there?
\_ Because if there are, I want to *do* them.
\_ note to anyone over age 13: this video is a waste of time.
\_ Your lack of humor/empathy/nostalgia speaks volumes.
\_ it's not the subject matter; it's poorly executed and
simply not funny.
\_ Maybe you have to be <14 or >24 to appreciate this? |
| 2009/3/18-21 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:52726 Activity:nil |
3/18 I haven't been to Berkeley for a few years. Are there still a Tower
Video store at 2598 Telegraph Ave, and a Blockbuster Video at 2352
Shattuck Ave? I'm wondering if my rental cards are still useful. Thx.
\_ There hasn't been any Towers anywhere in quite some time. The
Blockbuster at Shattuck and Channing still exists, but are you
ever going to go there?
\_ what a weird question. I bet this guy is a time traveller!
fucking with our timeline! !! Get him1!!
\_ Where is this "Berkeley" you speak of? Do you mean the
Stanford Satellite Campus?
\_ shut up paolo |
| 2009/1/7-12 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:52337 Activity:nil |
1/7 This was becoming a bit like message of the month instead of motd.
*nuke rediculously old shit* |
| 2008/10/21-22 [Recreation/Pets, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:51607 Activity:nil |
10/21 WHY DO YOU HATE AMERICA?
\_ 'COS SHE NEVER CALLS, SHE NEVER WRITES, AND SHE RAN OFF WITH
MY DOG AND MY BEST FRIEND. I REALLY JUST MISS THE DOG.
\_ EMARKP WHO ARE YOU VOTING FOR? |
| 2008/9/3 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:51029 Activity:nil |
9/3 why do you hate Mormon troll, hugh downs, and enormous breasts? |
| 2008/8/7 [Uncategorized/Profanity, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:50814 Activity:nil |
8/7 nsfw fist-to-shoulder
http://www.redtube.com/8839 |
| 2008/7/21-28 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:50650 Activity:nil |
7/21 motd boob guy do i have a video for you
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALl5RYIJuyk
\_ How does her shirt withstand the strain?
http://kepfeltoltes.hu/080723/009677802_www.kepfeltoltes.hu_.jpg
http://kepfeltoltes.hu/080723/009677805_www.kepfeltoltes.hu_.jpg
http://kepfeltoltes.hu/080723/009677823_www.kepfeltoltes.hu_.jpg
\_ jesus christ
\_ It's got a special adamantium-based weave. |
| 2008/7/13 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:50552 Activity:nil 60%like:50532 80%like:50550 80%like:50551 |
7/12 motd boob guy, are these real?
http://pics.cheggit.nl/pics/2008/07/12/302-404.jpg |
| 2008/7/13 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:50551 Activity:nil 80%like:50552 |
7/12 motd boob guy, are these real?
http://pics.cheggit.nl/pics/2008/07/13/360-1nellihugepre.jpg |
| 2008/7/13 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:50550 Activity:nil 60%like:50532 80%like:50552 |
7/12 motd boob guy, are these real?
http://sportsbybrooks.com/g/index.php?action=stag&tag=Denise1 |
| 2008/7/10-13 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:50532 Activity:nil 60%like:50550 60%like:50552 |
7/10 motd boob guy do i have a link for you
http://www.bbcamerica.com/content/286/index.jsp
\_ best wii ad ever. NSFW
http://www.sexyandfunny.com/watch_video/shay-laren-plays-wii-better-version_35636.html |
| 2008/7/9-11 [Recreation/Dating, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:50503 Activity:low |
7/9 Hot! What's the name of this actress / porn star (not sure which)?
Thanks a lot!!!
http://www.busty-women.net/bustyasians/20080701rd1964/prtty.html (NSFW)
\_ Dunno, but she's gross. Are you boob guy?
\_ Asian = gross. Jackie Johnson #1!!!
\_ There are hot Asians. She's not one of them.
\_ I'm not *the* MOTD Boob Guy, but I'm a boob guy. |
| 2008/6/30-7/14 [Transportation/Car, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:50420 Activity:nil Cat_by:auto |
7/1 So I'm in NYC now and I've been walking or taking a cab. I wish I
hadn't returned my rental car, because driving here was so easy
(I drove the first day), especially compared to Boston. Streets are
laid out in a grid and traffic isn't so bad. I won't use mass transit
at all here. I am rethinking my take on mass transit. Before I thought
it only worked in dense cities. Now I don't think it's really needed
anywhere. BTW, in Boston I had the experience of being kicked off
the T for not having a ticket, but the station I was at didn't
sell tickets. Talk about Catch 22. That was the Fine Arts station,
which tourists like me presumably use. Mass transit is so user
friendly and easy to use.
\_ Now you are just trolling.
\_ You win the high on crack award.
\_ I think you're just plain stupid. "Now I don't think it's really
needed anywhere." - Traffic in NYC is bad enough with the number
of people that drive right now. If NYC didn't have mass transit
it'd be ten times worse.
\_ And more so in Tokyo and Hong Kong. -- !OP
\_ Or maybe there wouldn't be so many people crammed together
and they'd be happier for it. The worst problem with driving
in NYC is the cost of parking. I really do wish I had kept
my rental car, though. My independence is limited without it
and everyone talks about scary NYC driving but that's a myth
perpetuated by, presumably, tourists who live in small towns.
\_ Yeah everyone who lives in cities would be happier if they
just spread out, we understand your (bizarre) worldview.
It is actually quite doable to drive in NYC, I have done
it as well, but after a while you realize that you are
annoying all the cabbies. The only reason you can get
away with driving in lower manhatten is because almost
everyone on the road is a professional driver and they
make allowances for you. Just don't hit a bicyclist. |
| 2008/6/28-30 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:50407 Activity:nil |
6/27 motd boob guy do i have a video for you
http://tinyurl.com/5qgbgz
http://video.aol.com/video-detail/gen13-cartoon-caitlins-gro
wth-with-sound/3814509195 |
| 2008/6/19-23 [Recreation/Dating, Uncategorized/Profanity, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:50306 Activity:nil |
6/19 worst thing ever. smurf sex. NSFW etc.
http://www.youporn.com/watch/157460
\_ I watched all of that now I have permanent brain damage. thx a lot
\_ I hope you watched it with your sound on.
\_ you were warned. -!op |
| 2008/6/19-24 [Academia/Berkeley, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:50303 Activity:nil |
6/20 ZombieTime has a little bit on the tree-sit removal.
http://www.zombietime.com/zomblog/?p=24
\_ Its about fucking time man. This tree camping thing has gone way
too long. Also, they have gone from political statement to
public nuisance. You don't need to hit police officers with your
shit in order to make a political statement. |
| 2008/6/13 [Uncategorized/Profanity, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll, Recreation/Computer/Games] UID:50248 Activity:nil |
6/13 NSFW: best Wii ad ever
http://www.picsaway.com/uploads/fai_small-b156ff92bd.jpg
\_ She can do my wii......lly.
\_ 32G natural, hot! http://www.inbedwithfaith.com |
| 2008/6/3-8 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:50141 Activity:nil |
6/3 German motd boob guy, do I have a video for you
http://preview.tinyurl.com/6fyfkb
\_ Speaking of which what happened to German John and his fan?
\_ she isn't even German. Its a german show about a English chick. |
| 2008/5/16-17 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:49981 Activity:moderate |
5/15 Cute underaged girls who looks like someone in anime. You'll appreciate
this if you're into anime. Otherwise, you're probably think this is
stupid. Bad teeth, big eyes, good Japanese. Yay! -Asianphile
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gty73p4AYuA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hr_IroQwcjQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_C7VLrCnqo
link:tinyurl.com/6jgxyu
http://tinyurl.com/4m2rzv
\_ Dude, no one wants to see this stupid video. No one on YouTube
likes it and it has been deleted from MOTD repeatedly (not just
\_ no one? the rating's pretty high. YOU don't like it, fine,
but don't speak for others, fucking dimwit
\_ Read the comments and the first video got 2 stars out of 5.
\_ what about the rest? and all the other videos she has?
what is the average? ANSWER ME.
by me). The video sucks by any definition. Why is this crappy
video of a bland, unattractive girl doing nothing of note of
interest to anyone? --dim
interest to anyone? Post the one where she takes her top off
\_ look, i don't like jackie johnson. you are the most narrow
minded piece of crap i've ever met. fuck off
\_ If I spam MOTD with youtube videos of JJ then feel
free to delete. You sure are defensive.
or something. --dim
\_ to each his own. Fuck off dim.
\_ Yes, let's just post all of our favorite 25 youtube links
to MOTD. What are you trying to accomplish here? You say
yourself that people will probably think it's stupid. It is.
\_ Why are her eyes so big?
\_ I see motd boob guy had a kid named motd weirdo asian fetish
I never thought of before guy. |
| 2008/5/15-16 [Recreation/Dating, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:49955 Activity:nil |
5/15 Here's a thread for big boob guy:
http://guyintheback.ws/09-Biggest/biggest.html
http://guyintheback.ws/02-Other/OT-ChristinaCashFB.html
\_ she used to be a lot smaller.
http://guyintheback.ws/04-Webshots/WS-christinacash.html
all that Mormon tea really packs on the pounds.
\_ Amazing this is same girl:
before: http://www.shareapic.net/zoom.php?id=5721139
http://images.shareapic.net/images2/005721139.jpg
http://images.shareapic.net/images2/005721279.jpg
after mission: http://www.shareapic.net/zoom.php?id=6966333
http://images.shareapic.net/images2/006966477.jpg
http://images.shareapic.net/images2/006966717.jpg
http://images.shareapic.net/images2/006966369.jpg
http://images.shareapic.net/fullsize2/006966180.jpg
\_ Jesus christ. I thought Mormons think eating
50 cheeseburgers per day is a sin.
please, keep eating!
\_ Elaine Smith is hot.
http://guyintheback.ws/02-Other/OT-ChristinaCashFB.html
\_ she used to be a lot smaller.
http://guyintheback.ws/04-Webshots/WS-christinacash.html
\_ Amazing this is same girl:
before: http://http://www.shareapic.net/zoom.php?id=5721139
http://images.shareapic.net/images2/005721139.jpg
http://images.shareapic.net/images2/005721279.jpg
after: http://http://www.shareapic.net/zoom.php?id=6966333
http://images.shareapic.net/images2/006966477.jpg
http://images.shareapic.net/images2/006966717.jpg
http://images.shareapic.net/images2/006966369.jpg
http://images.shareapic.net/fullsize2/006966180.jpg |
| 2008/4/27-5/4 [Recreation/Dating, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:49843 Activity:low |
4/27 hey motd boob guy, have a i got a video for you:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxv6R9fUO74
\_ well breast milk contains a lot of good stuff that makes
people strong. I mean, there's been a lot of link between
stopping breast milk too early and childhood allergies,
diseases, bone marrow, etc. Basically breastfeeding allows
children to assimilate antigens and "learn" what is good/bad
and how to fight diseases. Kudos for breastfeeding till you're
a teen. Maybe this is the medical breakthrough we've been
waiting for.
\_ Er, d'you really wanna suck YERMOM's titties thru your
teen years? I mean, ick.
\_ Socially taboo != medical science. Let science do its
job, then judge later.
\_ There is another way this could work: lactating women
could allow people other than their children to feed.
Perhaps this could become a new social standard: "Ma'am
I am feeling a bit peaked, mind if I suckle your breasts"
"Why certainly, sir, latch on as long as you like!"
"Why certainly, sir, have as much as you like!"
\_ Women might go for this--it turns out it's a great
way for women to drop weight. It's a pure calorie
dump.
\_ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rada_(fiqh
(All about Islamic breast feeding & related fatwa)
\_ I think breastfeeding into early childhood is fine, but
breastfeeding as the only source of food is not. After one year
of childbirth, the breast milk gets pretty waterly. It might
still contain abundant antibodies, but it certainly doesn't
contain enough nutrients for body growth.
\_ I wonder what bad effect there is to the person's sex life later
if one is breastfed past toddler age.
\_ Why don't you ask motd boob guy? |
| 2008/4/18-23 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:49781 Activity:nil |
4/17 Did Obama flip off Hillary at 0:20?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zhkq11UExcw
\_ do you really need to ask that?
\_ What else would expect from a Stalinist?
\_ What else would you expect from a Stalinist?
\_ Troll harder, troll-san.
\_ One troll deserves another.
\_ One good troll deserves another. |
| 2008/3/28-29 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:49603 Activity:nil |
3/28 motd nuked!!!! |
| 2008/2/25-26 [Consumer/Camera, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:49230 Activity:low |
2/24 Who is hotter, Amy Murphy or Jackie Johnson?
\_ Jackie Johnson. But Lisa Guerrero is hotter than both.
http://www.hottystop.com/lisa-guerrero/4.jpg
\_ Who are these people? That photo can't be real.
photo is NSFW btw. - motd boob guy.
\_ Weather forecast girls.
\_ The photo is real, the boobs aren't.
\_ Lisa *was* hotter, but I saw her recently and while she's
an attractive woman shes 43 and cannot compete with a young
hottie (29) like Jackie Johnson.
\_ If Jackie's 29, she'll sure to fatten up considerably
when she reaches 40, since she's already pretty full.
\_ So? |
| 2008/2/15-18 [Reference/BayArea, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:49154 Activity:kinda low |
2/15 Pictures from the Berkeley Marine protest:
http://www.zombietime.com/berkeley_marines_2-12-2008
\_ Isn't this the same guy that told us that all San Franciscans
are terrorists?
\_ URL?
\_ San Francisco style terrorism is not MAINSTREAM
terrorism.
\_ I don't know, does it matter?
\_ Yeah, it matters. I don't watch Ann Coulter for similar
reasons. But I guess I can just look at the pictures and
ignore his idiotic commentary.
\_ Pictures are pictures unless you think he photoshopped
extra missile trails and smoke in there or placed a
teddy bear on top of the rubble before taking the photo.
\_ Or you could do some BS trick with camera like this:
http://www.zombietime.com/how_berkeley_can_you_be
Scroll down to the third and fourth photos
NSFW
\_ What trick? It's a naked dude and ZT put their
typical 'quote' on it. Are you saying the pic is
a fake? Maybe I was fooled by this trick. Please
help me out.
\_ Considering that "trick" wouldn't fool anyone...
I think zombie was just trying to get them both
in the same frame at a good angle. |
| 2008/2/5-7 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:49073 Activity:high |
2/4 I've warned you guys before, and I'll warn again:
GLOBAL RECESSION IS HERE. -recession swami
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23020553
http://csua.com/?entry=48625
\_ Uhm ok, let's assume we're in a global recession. You seem to think
this is a good thing. Why?
\_ why do you think I think this is a good thing? big boom,
big bust, it's been like that for decades.
\_ because you 'seemed' gloaty about it. if you say you're not
then you're not. i'm not trying to put words in your mouth.
\_ ob i've got something for your mouth
\_ he seemed gloaty about prediction ability, not the fact
\_ he seems gloaty about prediction ability, not the fact
that it may happen. this seems pretty clear to me.
\_ Yes, big bust historically is a good thing.
link:www.csua.org/u/koz
\_ Of course big bust is a good thing! -- motd boob guy #2
\_ above link NSFW, if the hint about 'big bust' wasnt enough
\_ Agreed. Slow growth is good. Tampering with the
interest rate to moderate/encourage growth-- dumb.
\_ Probably not. The rest of the world will keep perking along, even
if the US falls into a recession. |
| 2008/2/4-5 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:49067 Activity:nil 72%like:49038 |
2/4 motd boob guy here. back from vac.
http://youporn.com/watch/5022 |
| 2008/1/31 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:49038 Activity:nil 72%like:49067 |
1/30 motd boob guy. IM BACK
http://danni.com/ft-shaylarenucap.php |
| 2008/1/29-2/2 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:49030 Activity:nil |
1/29 Can politburo keep it together and make sure Soda is up?
I can't troll dans 24/7.
\_ how about getting a life? dans (claims to) get laid all
the time, how about you? |
| 2008/1/14-18 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:48946 Activity:nil 51%like:48949 |
1/14 Serious Troll question:
Most goats view Trolls as an evil cult at worst and a laughingstock at
best. They do not consider them Goats in any way and assume all
Trolls are going to hell. How do Trolls perceive Goats and Sheep?
\_ Food. |
| 2007/12/15-20 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:48812 Activity:nil |
12/15 Does soda actually support IMAP now? (No, this is not a troll;
yes, if I have to ask, I don't know. I don't. I'm cool with
that.) Shell access is a fine thing, but at work I'd rather have
Alpine aggregate my mail. Thanks.
\_ Yes. The IMAP server is <DEAD>mead.csua.berkeley.edu<DEAD>, though, and you
have to use SSL. Let me know if it doesn't work for you. --mconst |
| 2007/11/26-29 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:48689 Activity:high |
11/25 HYPOTHETICAL QUESTION: Pretend I live in Berkeley and have
several roommates. One roommate, we'll call her Danielle,
thinks another roommate, we'll call him Umberto, is smoking
pot in his room. She calls the Berkeley PD and asks for advice.
The Berkeley PD says they'll stop by on Monday and search
Umberto's room. Danielle says, well gosh golly, I thought
pot law enforcement was a low priority in Berkeley! The
Berkeley PD say no ma'am, we still enforce The Law, I am shocked
you would think such a thing, we'll be over in the morning to
search this miscreant Umberto's room. Their long suffering
other roommate, "George", I mean me, doesn't want the po-po
anywhere near the house, because he remembers when a certain
Sodan got raided by the Berkeley PD and they snatched all of
his computers as evidence. "George" also thinks the landlords would
not appreciate the cops running around their house. So when the
cops show up and Danielle says "Why come on in good sirs,
Umberto resides upstairs!" and I I mean "George" says
COME BACK WITH A WARRANT, who do the police obey? thanks.
\_ Who's Britney and what happened to Danielle? Are you on something?
\_ Danielle, or any legal resident who invites them in.
\_ what if Umberto locks his bedroom door? Do the "police"
"break the door in"?
\_ IANAL, and my friend is not a cop (anymore), but it is my
understanding that the officers would have PC to search the
"common areas" but not a room with a shut door, nor your
PC even if in plain view if the alleged crime was smoking
pot. Close the door to your room, just in case.
\_ Hello. you may wish to read Georgia v. Randolph, 126 S.Ct.
1515 (2006):
http://www.supremecourtus.gov/opinions/05pdf/04-1067.pdf
Under Randolph, consent to a warrantless search given by one
occupant is invalid if another physically present occupant
refuses to give consent.
So, if D says "come in" and G says "get a warrant," the BPD
probably could not conduct a constitutionally valid search
w/o obtaining a warrant because G, an occupant, was physically
present and refused to give consent. [if you are really faced
w/ this situation, do not rely on the above, please consult
an actual attorney]
\_ !!! Well-spotted! G, this is yet another great reason to
consult a lawyer if this becomes an issue.
\_ That's interesting and new. I know prior to that, if one
occupant gave consent, that was all that was required.
\_ This is not correct. Prior to Randolph, only some
states held consent of one occupant was sufficient.
\_ I live in CA. The OP lives in CA. Other states can
have whatever barbaric laws they like.
\_ Seems like Umberto could just remove the pot!
\_ He did. I don't think I can call the "berkeley PD" and say
oh so sorry, the pot is gone, no need for you to raid my
home, ok tnx.
\_ You said "ok tnx" but you are not psb.
\_ Is "Danielle" hot?
\_ shut up, motd boob guy
\_ So she has nice boobs?
\_ who are you? i'm gonna get you.
\_ Why? Is she your gf or something?
\_ oh hey when the "berkeley PD" is here, can i ask them to search
"Danielle"'s room? - "George"
\_ Berkeley police tend to be pretty good about civil liberties,
especially if you are a student. Close your door, be around when
the police show up, and kick Danielle out as soon as possible.
\_ I dunno, I'd kick the jerk out who's stinking up the house with
with pot smoke.
\_ And lose a connection? Do you know what pot is selling for
these days? |
| 2007/10/31-11/2 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:48496 Activity:nil |
10/31 I've seen this picture of Hillary several times. What was the context
of the picture?
http://bp3.blogger.com/_YvDCrB8xy-s/RyiqioeXEDI/AAAAAAAAAaQ/cTx3UutzmVk/s1600-h/hillary-freaky.jpg
\_ Isn't this supposed to be no troll day? Bad troll, no donut.
\_ Why don't you ask your friends on LGF and The Free Republic, where
you saw this? Hey, isn't this supposed to be no troll day? Bad troll,
no donut.
\_ Isn't this supposed to be no troll day? Bad troll, no donut.
\_ This isn't a troll. Seriously, everyone takes bad pictures, and
this one just comes up when people criticize her. I just want to
know what speech or event it comes from. -op
\_ Scary. You should print that out and make a mask of it and go
around scarnig people. |
| 2007/10/18-20 [Politics/Foreign/Europe, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:48369 Activity:kinda low |
10/18 has a new all powerful motd troll emerged from the primordial
ooze? All hail not believing in the advancement of the internet guy!
\_ huh?
\_ Probably just an old troll, back from the dead, Frankenstien-like.
\_ All hail 'make shit up op troll guy'!
\_ He believes in the power of the german shepherd! |
| 2007/10/3-5 [Uncategorized/Profanity, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:48228 Activity:nil |
10/3 Blowjob Commercial. (NSFW)
http://www.youporn.com/watch/45125 |
| 2007/9/14 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:48063 Activity:nil 66%like:48062 |
9/14 How does she do this? (NSFW)
http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/6497/screenshotpm1.png
Yoga?
\_ She reminds me of the Fat Man bomb that was dropped on Nagasaki.
Incidentally, see the ASCII art below.
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9/14
Motd nuked, for great justice.
It was the only way to be sure. |
| 2007/9/12 [Recreation/Dating, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:48032 Activity:nil |
9/12 why do you hate my friend's former 32DDD breasts? |
| 2007/9/11-13 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:48017 Activity:kinda low |
9/11 remember when politburo got rid of the motd after 9/11 because
someone's dumb girlfriend thought someone said mean things?
those were the days.
\_ Yes, and it was the right thing to do.
\_ I remember when Berkeley stood up for Free Speech.
\_ The CSUA != Berkeley != UC Berkeley != FSM.
\_ The CSUA is not part of UC Berkeley? Could have
fooled me...
\_ Also, Berkeley would likely not exist at all if the
University wasn't here.
\_ You seem to misunderstand the meaning of equality.
And, if you want to nitpick, the CSUA is an ASUC
sponsored student group, and the ASUC is independent of
UC Berkeley.
\_ Yeah, it's always the right thing to do to make sure that the
unethical CSUA President continues to get laid. That's way more
important than the CSUA community. -tom
\_ From my memory the things that were being said were close
enough to racist hate speach (if not were racist hate speach)
that had things escelated to the right people the csua
could have had a serious disaster on it's hands. On the
level of no more csua. For sure no more csua office.
A few weeks timeout for everyone didn't hurt anyone.
\_ Oh and the rest of the trash posted here the rest of the
year wouldn't be a problem? Uh huh.... -!tom
\_ Berkeley's hate speech provisions were struck down
as being overly broad limits on freedom of speech. I
don't think that the CSUA would have been in any kind
of trouble whatsoever, even if people had complained,
but I understand your concern.
\_ That's horse crap; it's like saying that CalMail would
be taken down because people sent hate mail through it.
The very most that would happen is that someone would
tell the CSUA to delete the comments. -tom
\_ Can someone explain what sort of mean things were said? I was
on motd-vacation at the time or something and never found out.
\_ There was one troll who posted some anti-Arab, anti-Muslim
stuff, raw stuff along the lines of nuke/kill them all etc.
Those posts had contrary replies, of course (since when do
trolls fail on the motd?). It's an unmoderated anonymous forum.
I don't believe there was any real legal issue. In fact,
treating it that way sort of implies that the CSUA really is
responsible for what someone posts in here.
\_ CSUA gets university money and valuble space. Guess what,
clubs have been shut down for stuff like that pretty damn
fast. If some sports team had a real old school cork board
that started getting racist screeds on the level of "Kill
all the sand-niggers" (it really was that bad people)
how long do you think it would take before Cal clamped down
HARD? Seriously. I think the eventual fallout was that
the default login didn't see motd.public on login. See,
a solution was found.
\_ Could you give a relevant example of a club that was
shut down? -tom
\_ I don't know, what downclamping do you think would happen?
Anyone could just remove the screeds. The motd
wasn't really shut down anyway, people posted in
some other file for a while. I have no problem with
not showing motd.public on login. But it could always
have been disabled. Nobody was forced to read it.
If someone posted a racist screed on a lamppost in
SF, and I got offended, can I sue SF?
\_ Who said anything about lawsuits? -dans |
| 2007/8/29 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:47804 Activity:nil |
8/29 motd censor-censor, I will defeat you! |
| 2007/8/20-21 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:47668 Activity:high |
8/20 Go fuck yourself emarkp. Feel free to censor this.
\_ ??? -emarkp
\_ "???" ? You didn't censor my messages?
\_ I have no idea who you are or what your messages were. -emarkp
\_ Hey, it's paranoid nutcase guy again!
\_ Wait, the above is still here, but emarkp's post is gone. Is
emarkp now censoring his own posts?
\_ Apparently, according to this anonymous troll, all edits are
mine. Hey troll, I leave my editor running all the time, so the
various scripts to ID motd editors commonly report me as a false
positive. Go back to your cage. -emarkp
\_ Ok fine. If you didn't delete my posts, WHO DID? -op
\_ I don't know Mr. Anonymous Troll. You haven't even said
which post was yours. -emarkp |
| 2007/8/18-20 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll, Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:47647 Activity:moderate |
8/17 best flickr collection ever
http://flickr.com/photos/batawataneeki
\_ Welcome back MOTD Boob Guy!
\_ "You must be signed in to see this content from batawataneeki."
\_ You need a flickr(yahoo) account. big deal.
\_ actually the bugmenot account I used had better stuff in its
friends/faves/groups than this guy.
\_ http://bugmenot.com |
| 2007/8/8-10 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:47561 Activity:nil |
8/7 The perfect gift for motd boob guy! (Safe for work)
http://kotaku.com/gaming/this-summer-brings/dork-pillows-with-humps-287064.php
\_ During: http://www.akibaos.com/img.php?img=20070807z14
After: http://www.akibaos.com/img.php?img=20070807z15 |
| 2007/7/31-8/3 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers, Uncategorized/Profanity, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:47483 Activity:nil 80%like:47481 |
7/31 wow. NSFW
http://www.solosuck.com
\_ oops. sorry. NOT SAFE FOR WORK.
\_ heh, I "lynx -dump"ed it to find that out |
| 2007/7/23-26 [Uncategorized/Profanity, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:47377 Activity:nil |
7/21 NSFW
http://marjorie.auroris.net/mbg25/sketch/guide_pg4.jpg
NSFW NSFW NSFW NSFW
NSFW
\_ Makes me horny. |
| 2007/7/9-11 [Recreation/Dating, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:47236 Activity:nil |
7/9 motd boob guy and motd stem cell research guy and emarkp,
your prayers have been answered
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/6283444.stm
\_ Don't forget women who've gone through a mastectomy. If it can be
used in those cases, it'd be a tremendous breakthrough for many
women. Oh, and nice troll there. -emarkp
\_ np |
| 2007/6/29-7/2 [Uncategorized/Profanity, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:47121 Activity:low |
6/29 NSFW Is that picture what I think it is???
NSFW <DEAD>-cetina-.blogspot.com/2006/12/radiografia-duna-felaci.html<DEAD>
NSFW Can someone who reads Spanish care to translate please?
\_ I don't think thisis Spanish, it is something kind of close but not
\_ This is not Spanish, it is something kind of close but not
quite. Catalan?
\_ Catalan. Llobregat gives it away. -John
\_ Thanks. Learned something new everyday. -- OP |
| 2007/6/26-28 [Recreation/Dating, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:47073 Activity:nil |
6/26 http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070625/sc_nm/egypt_mummy_dc_1 "The body of the mummy now in KV 60 with its huge breasts ......" \_ Dammit i killed motd boob guy \_ that or motd boob guy is moving into necro fetish too. |
| 2007/6/14-19 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:46952 Activity:nil |
6/14 this is AMAZING
http://youtube.com/watch?v=mJh5kvjdmOE
\_ Keywords: worm, ass, NSFW
And no, I didn't watch it. I figured it out from the comments.
\_ Great, so motd boob guy is now motd butt worm guy?
\_ I'd rather have motd boob guy around instead of
motd butt worm guy. how about you? |
| 2007/6/14-16 [Recreation/Dating, Recreation/Celebrity/ParisHilton, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:46951 Activity:nil 66%like:46934 |
6/14 I figured out where motd boob guy went
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/14/fashion/14reduction.html
\_ I, for one, fully support American effort to remove any chance of
feelings of embarassment in our children. We must shelter them from
reality until they are at least 26!
\_ Paris Hilton is 26. Clearly your plan hasn't worked. Let's
push that back to 30 and revisit in 4 years.
\_ *shudder* I can now see Paris Hilton relating to the age of
sheltering much as Mickey Mouse relates to length of copy-
right.
\_ So you figure 75+ years after her death is a good number?
\_ Must be all that hormone in the cow milk we drink. |
| 2007/6/13-16 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll, Recreation/Dating] UID:46934 Activity:nil 66%like:46951 |
6/13 motd boob guy RIP
\_ He died???
\_ Yeah, dead. His fantasy of doing some chick with huge
boobs came true, but she fell asleep on top of him with
her boobs on either side of his face and he smothered. |
| 2007/5/11-14 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:46595 Activity:nil |
5/11 http://csua.com/Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll I just found out trollers have their own category on the categorizer. How do I get my own category? I want to be immortalized. \_ You *are* The Troll. C |
| 2007/4/17 [Uncategorized/Profanity, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:46340 Activity:nil |
4/17 NSFW link:tinyurl.com/2rq4ls \_ Yucks. |
| 2007/4/14-15 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:46302 Activity:kinda low |
4/13 motd boob guy back from break
http://img11.imagepile.net/img11/477881.jpg - ok tnx.
\_ Fetishes always end in tears. |
| 2007/4/13-16 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA] UID:46286 Activity:nil |
4/12 Thank you for fixing log rotation and thinking about not
blocking pings to soda. I apologize for inferring
whoever is running Soda these days is a knappy headed fucking Asperger's
Syndrome autistic retard. - !tom
\_ The person fixing log rotation is an alum volunteer and the csua
politburo almost certainly had nothing to do with this. |
| 2007/4/11-16 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:46259 Activity:moderate |
4/11 1 - blocking pings to Soda is stupid and
2 - anyone ever going to rotate the wall_log?
\_ Ok, the wall logs should be rotating now. Sorry about that.
(I'm guessing the ping blocking was a mistake; I'll unblock
them as soon as I make sure.) --mconst
\_ It's safe to say that the current management is showing no
interest in running the CSUA. There's still no information
about the organization on the web page, and no one is doing
anything about the computing resources. Isnt there an ASUC
regulation that organizations must have and publicize two
general meetings a semester? When is the CSUA's? -tom
\_ in order to save the CSUA, it must be destroyed.
\_ it just needs a small number of students who care enough
to put in a small amount of effort. maybe the csua is an
out dated and unnecessary org?
\_ Clearly it's not being run the way you want it to be so it must
be falling apart. Have you even set foot in 343 Soda in the
last six months? How about in the last six years? -dans
\_ dans: you're stupid. tom graduated from the pre-Soda
era, like the late 80s. Try 260 Evans.
\_ The CSUA office was 238 Evans, not 260. 260 was the doosh
room. I was outgoing VP when we were moving to soda hall
(I think smurf was incoming). -tom
\_ I'm well aware of this fact. In fact, it's at the heart
of my point: Given that tom graduated over a decade ago,
how is he supposed to be in tune with modern-day
undergrads? I posit that, since he works on campus, he
could walk to 343 Soda and talk to them, but he clearly
has no interest in doing so. -dans
of my point: Given that tom graduated and/or dropped out
and never looked back over a decade ago, how is he supposed
to be in tune with modern-day undergrads? I posit that,
since he works on campus, he could walk to 343 Soda and
talk to them, but he clearly has no interest in doing so.
-dans
\_ dans: you're stupid. tom never graduated.
\_ Corrected. Mea culpa. -dans
\- your brain has been classified as: small
\_ I don't exactly recall the last time I was in the CSUA
office, but it's been within the last year or so. But
that really isn't relevant; the question is how the CSUA
is serving its core constituency, and the answer is
apparently, "not very well." Scheduling and publicizing
general meetings is one of the very basic requirements
for being an ASUC student group, and the CSUA is failing
even at that. The official way to contact the politburo
is through http://csua.berkeley.edu email, so having email broken
is also a major failure, even if email accounts for undergrads
aren't as important as they used to be. -tom
\_ So when you visited the office, what did the folks there
have to say? Did they tell you the organization was in
shambles, that without the glorious light of the alumni
(meaning you), everything had gone to shit? Now, if the
question is how is the CSUA serving its core constituency,
and by core constituency you mean undergrads, the answer
is "Just fine, thank you." The office is well populated,
even at the kind of weird hours CS students keep.
Meetings are reasonably well attended. Services are being
provided to undergards, just not the services your
prioritize as important. And maybe emailing politburo@csua
is an official way to contact the politburo, but so is,
oh, I don't know, showing up at a politburo meeting, which
has always been a better way to get the politburo's
attention. I should also note that, at present, email is
not broken. -dans
\_ well, gee, when are the politburo meetings? -tom
\_ The annoying thing about this sort of stuff is that log rotation,
unblocking pings, and a number of other things are trivial two
minute fixes. Whoever is responsible for the machines should just
resign at this point if for whatever reason they're not taking care
of the most basic stuff. Yes, the CSUA is not soda, blah, blah,
but c'mon, can't be bothered to do log rotation? Oh well. At
least I'm not reading my mail here.
\_ I have some sympathy for the argument that undergrads don't
use wall, therefore wall log rotation is not important. But
that argument doesn't extend to providing basic information
on the CSUA web page and basic services (like mail) on
http://csua.berkeley.edu. -tom
\_ "He may have been a fascist, but the wall logs rotated on time"
\_ Last I checked maintaining the systems was the VP's job. If
the current VP isn't doing that, whatever, just resign and
let someone else do it. I never understood why people cling
to volunteer jobs they don't want to do.
\_ How about because no one else wants to do it. How about
because it's a thankless job where the job holder spends
most or all of his time being berated by people like tom
for a job he or she volunteered to do. -dans-dans
\_ Ah the cycle of incompetence and obsolescence.
\_ Every time I have set foot in the CSUA office in the last
12months at least, I've observed a number of people who
12 months at least, I've observed a number of people who
look like geeks from central casting [pasty thin, fat doughy]
playing video games. As an above posters suggest, we're not
playing video games. As an above poster suggests, we're not
talking about competing resouces [do we keep the office
door open, or fix log rotation], and adequate or even
door open, or fix log rotation], and adquetate or even
superlative performance on one front isnt exculpatory on
the other. When the machine went down for weeks [unprecidented
in CSUA history before the last year], what they were to be
faulted for was the lack of communication more than not
fixing it quickly. Make all the excuses you want, but if you
feel alumni involvement has value for the CSUA [to wit:
Riverbed inquiry above], you are killing that branch of the
tree. These comments about "what have you done to help"
are by and large silly, as the people involved int eh
public debates are by and large people who have "served"
or donated or have volunteered to help, but had their
overtures rebuffed. Although I suppose the current lazy
\_ Past service does not give us any right to force our
approach on the current administration. A donation with
an expecation of a quid pro quo is a purchase, not a
donation. Did it ever occur to you that there might be a
good reason why offers of assistance are refused? -dans
administration is better than a certain earlier psychotic
one ["do not blacklist me!"].
\_ Agreed. The alumni are extremely valuable. Two important
post college jobs came directly or indirectly through
Soda. !(tom || dans)
\_ The funny thing is, we've now had, what, a year of an
alumni relations politburo officer, and so far all
it has produced is a bunch of shut off accounts,
and silly blithering from dans. -tom
\_ This is where I disagree with you. I don't think the
alumni add significant value to the CSUA when it comes to
day to day operations. If someone offers help, and then
gets pissed if the offer is ignored or refused, that person
is not an altruist, he's an asshole. It's one thing for
alumni to help people find jobs, offer intelligence on
industry, or donate hardware or funds. The alumni are
well equipped to do these things. It's another thing
entirely to tell the undergrads how they should run the
organization, and, yes, administering the machines is part
of running the organization. Beginning the moment someone
graduates, drops out, or fucks off to parts unknown, he
becomes increasingly less relevant to the day to day
operations of the CSUA. I'm not arguing in support of
incompetence, I'm arguing in support of self-determination.
Many alumni, e.g. tom, don't understand the difference
because they are stuck on an idealized view of "how
things should be done." -dans
\_ "You should have a web page, the email address you
publish as a contact should work, and you should
publicize your meetings" is certainly not
an idealized view of how things should be done; it's
a complete baseline for what it means to be a
student group.
And how do you expect alumni to find people jobs
or offer intelligence on the industry when
*absolutely nothing is being done to connect
alumni with the organization*? -tom
\_ And this last paragraph is the key point. If it
sucks to use soda why would alumni login? If they
don't login to soda how else are they going to stay
in touch with the org? Telling them they need to go
out of their way to show at politburo meetings as a
requirement to assist future generations is utterly
ridiculous and a red herring.
\_ Let me be clear here: I am not even arguing that
the current politburo should definitely restore
soda to its pre-dans state. I would personally
like to see that happen, but I acknowledge that
the relevance of MOTD and wall for current
undergraduates is extremely low, and those
mechanisms really aren't creating connections
between undergrads and alumni. But what I am
arguing is that if the CSUA wants to
deemphasize or significantly change soda, it
should be as the result of a policy decision,
with specific plans for productive alternatives.
dans's blithering takes as an assumption that
the current politburo's negligence is the result
of a policy decision, but I don't think there's
any evidence of that. If the politburo were
to say "we're killing wall and MOTD and
installing phpBB and WordPress," there would
at least be a way to defend that action. But
as it is, they're simply being negligent. -tom
\_ I wasn't trying to put words in your mouth. I
think it's silly to have an Alumni Rep and
some level of desire to have contact with
alums but then insist that anyone not showing
at a meeting is a useless alum. The fact is
that soda is the easiest way for alums to stay
in touch. If the current undergrads aren't
into that, oh well. If the machine eventually
goes away completey, oh well. The alumns
don't lose all that much. With people all
over the industry and academia this is a good
place to make contacts and ask questions. At
the end of the day success isn't about your
gpa or the name of your school on your degree,
it is about who knows you and is willing to
help out. Kill soda or leave it semi-broken
and alums will leave. A lot have already. Sad
but oh well. Maybe it has served its purpose
and it is time to just shut it down and walk
away.
\_ Alternatively, perhaps the issue isn't
negligence, perhaps they're just tired of
dealing with heavy-handed, self-righteous
pricks like tom. -dans
\_ What the fuck? You can't blame tom, tom
is taking the time to whine on motd but
according to you motd is irrelevant anyway.
\_ They're tired of dealing with pricks like
me, so they sit in the office playing WoW,
don't publicize their meetings, and break
the email server? Great student group. -tom
\_ "No man is an island, entire of itself;
every man is a piece of the continent, a
part of the main. If a clod be washed away
by the sea, Europe is the less, as well as
if promontory were, as well as if a manor
of thy friend's or of thine own were. Any
man's death diminishes me, because I am
involved in mankind; and therefore never
send to know for whom the bell tolls; it
tolls for thee."
\_ Q: How is sitting in the office playing
WoW qualitatively different than sitting
in the office playing nettrek? -dans
\_ Well, for one thing, the nettrek
players managed to keep soda up,
keep mail up, and run publicized
meetings all while avoiding
BASE OGG!!!!!!!!
\_ Thank you for making the point I
would have. I'm sure I played
more netrek than they play WoW,
but I managed to effectively
run a much more difficult hardware
and software setup, and also
publish information about our
meetings and help sessions.
(Are there any help sessions?
Nothing on the web since
Spring '06). -tom
\_ "No man is an island, entire of itself;
every man is a piece of the continent, a
part of the main. If a clod be washed away
by the sea, Europe is the less, as well as
if promontory were, as well as if a manor
of thy friend's or of thine own were. Any
man's death diminishes me, because I am
involved in mankind; and therefore never
send to know for whom the bell tolls; it
tolls for thee."
\_ Thank you for making my point:
Let me paraphrase our
conversation for clarity:
tom: Back in my day we had to
walk uphill to and from the
machine room and ran the
machines smoothly at great risk
to life and limb (the machines
exploded back in my day) and
played net trek to boot! The
CSUA was awesome back in my
day, they should run it my way!
dans: Then why don't you help?
tom: Oh, the politburo hasn't
responded to my emails in five
years.
dans: Think there might be a
reason for that?
tom: Back in my day we had to
walk uphill to and from the
machine room and ran the
machines smoothly at great risk
to life and limb (the machines
exploded back in my day) and
played net trek to boot! The
CSUA was awesome back in my
day, they should run it my way!o
day, they should run it my way!
dans: Uh huh.
-dans
\_ Let me paraphrase our
conversation:
dans: I'm an idiot.
tom: Yes, obviously.
-tom
\_ And you wonder why people
think you're such an
asshole that they simply
cease communication with
you.
-dans |
| 2007/4/10-12 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:46254 Activity:nil |
4/10 troll deleted
\_ if only it were so simple |
| 2007/4/3 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:46183 Activity:nil |
4/3 WHO THE FUCK deleted my Knut the cute polar bear link? Speak
up now or else I will nuke motd for an entire day!
\_ Yeah, I wanted to d/l those movies and now they are gone! |
| 2007/4/2-3 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:46172 Activity:low |
4/2 Is Rachel Ray fat?
\_ Doesn't look too bad.
http://www.joncellini.com/blog/archives/images/5big.jpg
\_ She's fat for a supermodel. She's fat for a female
celebrity. She's not fat by American averages.
\_ ob is she fat by soda standards?
\_ ob is she fat by soda averages?
\_ By soda's fat ugly nerd standards, she's fucking HOT. |
| 2007/3/16-20 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:45998 Activity:nil |
3/16 Dear motd boob guy, can you please give us links of Pelosi,
Boxer, and Feinstein in their 20s 4-5 decades ago? I want to
know how hot they used to be. Thanks.
\_ obYermom |
| 2007/3/16-20 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:45992 Activity:kinda low |
3/16 Target acquired:
link:tinyurl.com/33u9qh
\_ I thought this was about the retailer.
\_ Same here. I thought some company was buying a majority stake
in Dayton Hudson.
\_ Borderline NSFW.
\_ Motd boob guy strikes again. |
| 2007/1/30 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:45615 Activity:nil |
1/29 Motd boob guy go to china: http://tinypic.com/view/?pic=2qxuded |
| 2007/1/28-2/1 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:45606 Activity:nil |
1/26 motd boob guy is bored but is hapy soda is back
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roLpFLZvFso
\_ Does'nt work you jerk!
\_ This one is good:
http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2876871400078644037ULToGG |
| 2007/1/25-28 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:45582 Activity:moderate |
1/25 One week later: so, how about a status report from csua? We've had the
same page displayed for quite some time. --erikred
\_ I think the bottom line is that they just don't care.
\_ This is a great loss for the undergrads over the long term.
The permanent loss of job contacts and technical help is
going to hurt the current and all future generations. Success
isn't about what you know, your GPA, or which school gave you
what letters on your diploma. It has always been about who you
know. Oh well. If any of the politburo are reading it would
be nice to get a real status report or at least to see the box
come up for a week so we can grab our files before moving on.
\_ Spoken like a delusional alumn. "Oh we are great, they need
us." In reality the biggest losers are the alumni. Students
don't value connections with moldy alumni and thus have
nothing to lose in the first place.
\_ Troll else where. Soda is back up so you can troll there
again. |
| 2007/1/7-24 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:45528 Activity:nil |
1/14 Called the csua office on Friday and was told that the machine is fixed
and ready to go, but UC won't allow it back on the network because it's
been rootkitted too many times. "someone who cares," you're doing more
harm than good. If you want to help, go through the politburo; cowboy
rootkits are not the way to go. --erikred
\_ "I take matters into my own hands. That's the American spirit."
-libural faking to be a cowboy conservative
\_ What you guys SHOULD really have done is run soda inside the VM
so that it's much easier to contain and to duplicate. You can run
multiple VMs on one machine. They even have educational discounts.
\_ Uh, does that mean it will never be back up? Can I have my fucking
files back from my account?
\_ As far as I know erik you either have wrong or deprecated
information. The machine is still in the process of being fixed and
darch (the vp) has given an eta of "up on wednesday." While I think
the dept. is growing increasingly worried that we seem to get rooted
a bunch, I haven't heard anything substantial as to our "not being
allowed to bring it back online." And I was AT the office yesterday
and at the ensuing first politburo meeting. -mrauser
\_ ...? Your being there certainly trumps my phone call. I'll make
sure to get the name of the undergrad next time I call. And a
Wednesday eta sounds great. Thank you for the update. --erikred |
| 2006/12/20-21 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:45479 Activity:nil |
12/20 http://tinypic.com/view/?pic=43rtr87 Thanks politburo for turning my account back on! - motd boob guy \_ Maybe you'd like this site? http://www.flickr.com/photos/shiroikaze \_ So what _is_ the rule on flickr? No complete nipples? \_ Well, the "community guidelines" say: DON'T Upload photos that include frontal nudity, genitalia and/or "intimate moments" between consenting partners in public areas of Flickr. If you do we'll make your photostream private and remind you of this Guideline. If you don't heed our warning and continue to make similar content public, we'll terminate your account without warning. This applies to your Buddy Icon as well. I haven't looked at the page, but it's possible that: Flickr hasn't noticed, this area is private(?), or it's not "frontal nudity." |
| 2006/12/13-17 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:45441 Activity:high |
12/13 When are unactive accounts going to get revived?
\_ Accounts that were not reactivated after the first breakin last year
may actually get pseudo-deleted in a few months. Otherwise the
procedure is the same as last time: call the office or email
activate@ to get an account reactivated. - jvarga
\_ Does the 'sorry' message you get when you try to log in
say "please call the office at bleah bleah bleah"?
\_ I don't think activate has responded to anyone
\_ These are the people on activate@. If you haven't gotten a
response, try again. - jvarga
soda:/root# grep "^activate:" /etc/aliases
activate: darch, vaheder, edilaic
\_ I never said it was effective, only that it happens to be the
specified protocol as set down by politburo. - jvarga
\_ Is the current VP lazy, incompetent both or neither?
He might be busy with finals now, but what about Nov?
Fill in the blank: "The current Politburo is the lamest
since the _______ Politburo."
\_ Both. Darch as the new VP looks to be aggresively
bringing things under control, so service should be
considerably less shitty than it was over the past
year.
The fact that not even the entirity of the politburo is
seeing the activate messages is a testament to how lazy
they are. Also, the message given in safesorry2 is a
weak 20 second message which I have told them more than
once to change to give more information.
Unfortunately, at the moment, its finals time so you
really shouldn't be looking for any impromement in
service... or even service at all for a little bit.
-mrauser
\- you know part of leadership is "delegation"
unfortunately we seem to have a case of "lame
delegation". --psb
\_ It is sad that they decide to implement a policy
and then decide not to do the work to support it.
Minghay has done about 90+% of the re-activation
in the most recent round of it. Him not getting
activate@ emails makes me wonder if the emails
will even be read. -mrauser
\_ Well would you rather have a politburo that ruled with
an iron fist and squished people and turned off
login for saying shit on wall/motd, like in the fascist
paolo/pollux/amckee era? Or do you prefer a completely
free-market politburo like now where they just let
people do whatever the fuck they want, and letting the
unix system run its own course? I guess both extremes
suck big time. Actually I liked it more when politburo
ruled with an iron fist. Fascism rules, esp on unix.
\_ fascism rules in any situation because there's always
someone you can blame at, whereas you can't blame
anyone for things that happen in the free-market.
\_ Fuck the iron fist, it gets in the way of writing
code. -dans
\_ ^code^hacks and r007ki7 |
| 2006/11/24-28 [Transportation/Car/RoadHogs, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:45366 Activity:very high |
11/23 Happy Thanksgiving! I miss my soda account. I guess no one cares
about soda anymore. Actually, I don't really need it. I have gmail,
IM, youtube, and my cellphone. Who really needs soda these days?
\_ Happy FUCKING Thanksgiving and FUCKING every single holiday out
there. I don't understand why people need a FUCKING holiday just
to be thankful of their lives. I don't understand why every single
day, I have to fucking spend 25-45 hours each way to/from the day
care to drop off my kid and esp. during the holiday waste 4 hours
driving my mother who is too old to drive to get her to/from my
house (1 hour to her place, 1 hour to my place, then repeat when
I take her back). I don't understand why this fucking society is
so dependent on the fucking automobile and I don't understand why
Thanksgiving is so fucking important that everyone's synchronized
to be in the traffic jam at the exact same time. Holidays are the
most FUCKING STRESSFUL times esp dealing with so many useless
family members who are too fucking young or old to drive and
to take care of themselves. It is stressful because they are
DEPENDENT on YOU. HAPPY FUCKING THANKSGIVING. FUCK YOU ALL.
\_ have your mom live with you. live-in daycare. it takes a village to raise a child.
\_ have your mom live with you. live-in daycare. it takes a
village to raise a child.
\_ I would except she nags and nags and nags and can barely
take care of herself. She refuses to go to a convalecense
home and refuses to wear glasses and hearing aide because
she says she is as healthy as a 30 year old (totally untrue)
and everytime I watch her drive to the market 2 miles away
I cringe because she drives like George Weller. The only
thing I'm thankful is that she doesn't drive on the freeway
because she only goes up to 15MPH on the surface street. I'm
a slave to my mother and my kids. Did I tell you
I spend a good part of my life driving them around? Actually
I'm really a slave to my wife. I just wasted a day with the
inlaws I don't even enjoy being with. At dinner time I
explained the stress of being a sandwich generation (parents
too old, kids too young and they all depend on YOU) and how
American suburbia creates unnecessary stress on drivers
like me and how wasteful it is to drive a SUV and the huge
energy and natural resources a suburbia home requires. It
turns out that everyone thought I was a weirdo liberal
because everyone else loves driving their big FUCKING
American made SUVs and living in a McMansion in the suburbia.
No one seems to give a damn about wasted gasoline, oil
dependency, pollution, and time wasted on the road. The
average American is beyond STUPID. Oh and I wasted a fucking
black Friday carrying lots of useless shit my wife bought
and listening to all the contradictory non-sense she says
and she gets mad at me for not remembering the conversation.
Um, can anyone tell me why women like to fill the bathroom
with 100 barely used bath bottles from Bed Bath and
Beyond? GOD. I AM IN HELL. Fuck Thanksgiving. Fuck all
Republicans, fuck commercialism, and fuck all holidays. -pp
\_ Hey, it's future BDG!
\_ Aahahah. Your wife sounds like my mom. My mom is one of the
reasons I'm scared of marriage. I have a certain biological
desire for kids too but other times I'm so glad I'm FREE!
I'm not financially free yet though so fuck that.
How old are you? I'm not looking forward to worrying about
my parents. Maybe I will just move far away like they did.
It's not like they took care of their old parents they
left on another continent. Families are like clinging
parasites forcing you into a life of obligation
fulfillment.
\_ Why did you chose this life if you hate it so much? |
| 2006/11/6-7 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:45194 Activity:nil |
11/6 MOTD boob guy strikes again: Can anyone read the small prints below
"Goals" on the poster at link:www.csua.org/u/hdx (NSFW)? Serious
answers please. Does anyone know where I can get such a poster?
Thanks in advance.
\_ "Focus on your goals...just don't get caught focusing."
http://tinyurl.com/ylzugq but hurry, auction only lasts until
Nov. 8. You're welcome, I love a challenge. Next? -John
\_ Damn that'd look good in the office. Might be a lil too non-PC
though, sadly. |
| 2006/10/31-11/2 [Recreation/Dating, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:45060 Activity:moderate |
10/31 motd boob guy says Happy Halloween:
link:www.dailymotion.com/swf/3EA96xGDJWpn834gX
\_ NSFW (did I really need to add that???)
\_ Gee, she's nice. Slender, sexy, and seemingly natural.
\_ seemingly? It's kinda weird. Is that some soldier's wife
sending him a 'reminder' video?
\_ Seemingly, as in I can't say for sure whether she has
had implants. However, if I had to guess I'd say she
has not. If they are, then they were done very well.
\_ Either they are real or they are implants done in Japan.
Only Japanese implants look so realistic. American ones
are hemisphere-shaped.
\_ "Honey, I'll keep posting videos like this on the internet
until you come home. Tomorrow's will feature a dildo."
\_ HOT!
\_ Is there a URL for a parent page that contains this video? I want
to read the description, if any.
\_ I'm willing to trade five years of my lifespan for a wife with a
body like this.
\_ Are you married now?
\_ Go sign up for one of those $300k/yr jobs in Iraq and when
you come back, you will be able to acquire one. |
| 2006/10/30-11/1 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA] UID:45043 Activity:moderate |
10/30 Is the CSUA Lottery Scheduling still being used on soda?
\_ What software cannot solve, hardware does.
\_ Thankfully, no. It's a stupid project that needed a big sucker
(csua) to experiment on so that the author can brag about it
in his publication.
\_ God forbid the CSUA get involved in computer science. -tom
\_ Why is it stupid? From what I understand, it tries to allot the
same amount of CPU time to each user instead of each process.
Sounds like a more fair scheduling policy to me.
\_ Lottery scheduling is useful in theory, in publications such
as the the one from dpetrou. It is like adding 0.1 PSI to your
tire pressure to make it run more effectively. In reality one
can spend much more effective efforts optimizing a system.
\_ No.
\_ Is the fuctionality now provided by Linux without modification?
\_ I guess people didn't feel the need for it after we went SMP
on soda.... I don't know though, I wasn't involved in the
decision.
decision. Honestly, I haven't noticed any trouble.
\_ I noticed slow-downs and CPU hogging with Mark VII, whereas
with VI the vast majority of slow-downs was random net
bottlenecks. Anyway, I don't see the VII slow-downs as
often now as during the first several months.
\- The LOTTERY SCHEDULER has been replace by the
ERGODIC SCHEDULER. |
| 2006/10/25-27 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:44979 Activity:nil |
10/25 How far is 1 lap around Martin Luther King Junior High
track in Berkeley? thanks. - danh
\_ Trust no one. Measure straight sections with laser rangefinder
measure radii also, compute distances.
\_ if it's a standard track, it should be a quarter mile (400m)
\_ This is what I have been told. How do I know if it's a
standard track? - danh
\- the dwight derby track is THE STANDARD ... you can
calibrate to it.
\_ It is a standard high school track. Likely 440yds, not 400m
(high school track events are by/large still in yds/miles)
\_ 440 yards = 402 meters.
\_ Having attended MLKJr.H.S. I can tell you it is *not* a standard
size, due to issues with the size of the available space. When we
would run a mile, we were supposed to do 4 laps, plus about 2/3
the length of a straightaway. |
| 2006/10/12-13 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:44795 Activity:nil 50%like:44747 66%like:44758 |
10/12 motd boob guy says
http://www.imagebeaver.com/view.php?mode=gallery&g=62047 |
| 2006/10/11-13 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:44770 Activity:nil |
10/11 http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Hans_Reiser \_ This is a scurrilous rag. \_ Marked as NSFW by my company's firewall. YMMV. \_ It is NSFW \_ OP should have told us that. I haven't seen it yet since I'm blocked from here. \_ Is this real or a joke? -- clueless \_ this is what she actually looks like: http://a.abclocal.go.com/images/kgo/cms_exf_2005/news/local/nina_reiser_billboard2_100606_485x227.jpg link:tinyurl.com/f3d7p (abclocal.go.com) \_ http://www.csua.berkeley.edu/computing/hardware/soda-mark-i.html Yes, the same Hans Reiser helped start the soda tradition. |
| 2006/10/10 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:44758 Activity:nil 50%like:44662 66%like:44795 |
10/10 motd boob guy has a new mission for you
http://tinyurl.com/r2qrd |
| 2006/10/10-12 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:44747 Activity:low 50%like:44795 |
10/10 MOTD Boob guy, meet MOTD tongue guy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOuALNuWkc0
\_ Sadly this was a lot more exciting than any of the large girl pics
posted previously.
\_ The MOTD boob guy really needs to be renamed the MOTD chubby chaser
freak.
\_ Wow! The two would drive me wild if they give me oral. |
| 2006/10/9-10 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:44729 Activity:nil |
10/8 Sorry for this nerdy question in the midst of N.Korea nuke debate.
Soda has webdav installed, right? can i in theory use soda as my
personal calendar server? |
| 2006/10/4-5 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:44662 Activity:nil 60%like:44653 50%like:44758 |
10/3 Attn: motd boob guy - Hi Honey, I'm huge!
http://image30.webshots.com/31/7/74/91/2381774910066501007KtqyhH_fs.jpg
\_ too bad her face is ugly as fuck
\_ boob guy never looks at their faces anyway. --boob guy #2 fan
\_ I am bigger. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAzx7dAFuJc |
| 2006/10/3-4 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:44653 Activity:moderate 60%like:44662 |
10/3 Hi Honey, I'm huge!
http://image30.webshots.com/31/7/74/91/2381774910066501007KtqyhH_fs.jpg
\_ Please to marking these with "Attn: motd boob guy" |
| 2006/9/27-28 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:44572 Activity:nil |
9/27 Hey leftist guy, motd boob guy was a lot more fun than
you are.
\_ Um, no. The boob guy kept posting pictures of fugly phat women
and was getting more and more hardcore, in a disgustingly way. |
| 2006/9/12-13 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:44352 Activity:nil |
9/12 I got bored, so I decided to run the huge mailqueue on soda
which had messages back from fucking forever. enjoy getting
email from May/June (as reported below) --Jon, Evil Alumni
\_ Just out of curiosity, why is it queueing stuff up? -John
\_ hell if I know. I'm sure the undergrads know better
than I do. --Jon |
| 2006/9/1 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:44227 Activity:low |
9/1 motd boob guy, i have gift for you
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l72/dubracks/Britt/407e5218.jpg
\_ Scary troll!
\_ I think she's appeared on http://bustywebshots.blogspot.com before. |
| 2006/8/24-25 [Uncategorized/Profanity, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:44127 Activity:nil |
8/24 Hey John how did you get around not getting identified by the
identifier?
\_ ? Is this in relation to the tasteful nekkid gurl pics link
I posted that some prude keeps deleting? Why would I need to
get around anything? I sign all my posts... -John
\_ Deleting stuff sucks, and deleters are asshole...BUT, maybe you
should post NSFW stuff when the western hemisphere is not
stuck at work.
\_ Uh, I kind of clearly said "naked girls" and "NSFW". I
don't force people to click on links :-) -John
\_ I wasn't implying that people would click on youre NSFW
links and then get pissed off. I was impying that they(we)
would sit at our terminals, see your clearly marked NSFW
links, not click on them because we're at work, and *then*
get pissed off.
\_ ...this is the kind of thinking that gets people
climbing clocktowers with high powered rifles.
\_ Yes.
\_ That's why we need to pass the anti-clocktower law. |
| 2006/7/28-30 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:43834 Activity:nil |
7/28 A friendly reminder that this is CSUA, not PSUA (Political Sci).
\_ What?!? Educated intellectuals discussing things other than
the newest Linux kernel release or quirkiest new hardware
innovation?!? OMGWTFBBQ!! Say it ain't so!!
\_ That's why the political debate is better here.
\_ Ya, a bunch of bored morons talking about politics.
Why don't we talk about something EXCITING, like E6600?!?!?!??
\_ E6600 is almost as irrelevant to "CS" as Hizbollah. It's not
like something different for software.
\_ Ths is CSUA, not Soviet Union. Take your censorship and shove it. |
| 2006/7/25-27 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Ilyas, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:43793 Activity:low |
7/25 Who the fuck is German John and why is he special?
\_ What the fuck is an archive, and why the fuck do people search it
before asking questions on the motd?
\_ Who the fuck are you, and why don't you sign your name? --erikred
\_ German John is a persona cooked up by one of my two favorite
trolls (the other being chicom troll.) Occasionally, they
appear so similar that they almost appear to merge into one
troll meta-consciousness. -John
\_ ...and therefore never send to know for whom the bell trolls;
it trolls for thee.
No poster is an island, entire of itself _/
every poster is a part of the continent, a part of the main
If a clod (ilyas) be driven driven away by the trolls, motd is
If a clod (ilyas) be driven away by the trolls, motd is
the less, as well as if thy friend were, or thy self were
Any poster's death diminishes me, because i am involved in the
posts
And therefore never send to know for whom the troll trolls;
he trolls for thee.
\_ Are you quite Donne?
\_ You poe bastard. You have no idea what you've unleashed
\_ Sure I do. Enjoy it! Sit back, relax, have a glass of
Marlowe. |
| 2006/7/18-20 [Reference/Religion, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:43709 Activity:nil |
7/18 John may be an idiot but I enjoy trolling him. Thank God for stupid
people like him who provide hours of free entertainment. Heil.
\_ i liked the swedish chef version better
\_ The troll farm flourishes! Troll-Gro worked! Awesome. -John
\_ Your chicom troll pen has really blossomed into a best-in-show
gallery! Very impressive! |
| 2006/7/17-18 [Uncategorized/Profanity, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:43697 Activity:moderate |
7/17 Pardon me, but what the fuck? Is average CSUA member not command
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
English basics language no more? I thought ESL was a fundamental
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
requirement for acceptance to Cal? Free tip: your point, whatever
it is, will not be ridiculed or ignored as much if it's not
written in orc. -John
\_ Wow, you're a judgemental Nazi. No wonder people hate you on motd.
Fuck you Heil German John. I'm watching you. -German John Hater #3
\_ Free tip: don't give advice when it is not asked for.
Go fuck yourself.
\_ Free tip #1: Stop plagiarizing from the USGA etiquette "do not
give advice to others on the course unless they ask you for
it" and "Never coach or give unsolicited advice.")
http:/ http://www.waggle.com/etiquette.htm
http://www.sideroad.com/Business_Etiquette/business-golf-etiquette.html
Free tip #2: "Go fuck yourself" isn't one of the USGA's
etiquettes.
Free tip #3: Go fuck yourself.
\_ This would've been a great troll except for the fact that you
got back-trolled big time.
\- you may want to re-evaluate your original intent vs. the
actual result of what you're trying to say. this is from me
as an observer's point of view:
-what you wanted to convey: "i am a nice person and i want to help
you poor immigrants. i think that if you guys want to communicate
effectively you should take some time to learn english
, otherwise you will be ignored."
-what a few heard: "you are all guests on my
land and if you want to live here you need to learn my
language or else get the fuck out of here."
-what pissed-off immigrants heard: "i am a white male and even
though i speak poorer asian languages than you speak
english, you still need to learn my language because i belong
to the white race with bigger penises. we are righteous and
you are not. you must respect our authority and learn english"
-what the overall intent is: "John is a jerk"
please re-evaluate your method of communication. your reply
is not necessary. ok thx.
\_ From this post I read: "I like to fuck my mother and drink pee."
\_ Does not parse. I am a jerk. I don't give a rat's ass what
immigrants, psb or anyone reads into this. I posted a very
\- leave me out of this.
but i do think you are sort of ratcheting
and in some cases may not be able to tell
ignorance from apathy. --psb
\_ If you sound like an ignoramus, you are
judged like one, period. -John
\- my point is: if you are judging based on
the sloda wall or motd, people may not
be bothering to write well, rather than
being unable to do so. even native speakers
are sloppy here, not unreasonably so.
and i think if you are coming to the US
to study say engineering, there may be a
diminishing marginal return calculation
for how much you invest in grammar.
so are you going to take on ebonics
so are you going to taken on ebonics
speakers next?
i'd be curious how many of your native
english speaking friends could explain
the difference between say "compared to"
and "compared with". if an ESL speaker
gets further and farther confused, i'd
cut them [sic] some slack. if a non-engineer
native speaker cant tell you the diff
cut them some slack. a lot of non-engineer
native speakers cant tell you the diff
between precision and accuracy ... probably
not a disaster. a foreign speaker isnt a
lawyer, not knowing the diff between "that"
and "which" is also probably not a big deal.
i'm not very careful about those usually.
i'm not very careful with those usually.
i think a lot of grammar nazis 1. worry
about dumb things like "data is plural"
or "dont use hopefully" 2. have pretty
shallow knowledge [they know easy rules
like it's vs its, but drown in slightly
deeper waters].
deeper waters. a good example is that cow
who wrote the Eat Shoot Leave book].
\_ I think there's a pretty big difference
between "not knowing data is plural" and
"completely incoherent". I suspect
John is mostly complaining about the
latter, and you're criticizing (at least
in part) John on the basis that he's
speaking about the previous.
clear point about students at what is supposedly one of the
best schools in the world seemingly not having a basic
command of that school's language. If you want to interpret
that as being an anti-immigrant rant, or some sort of
belittling of other cultures/countries, that's your problem.
Your reply is not necessary. ok thx. -John
\_ psb: your coworkers asian stupid "oh psb immigrants
THE MAN! He knows Greek mythology asian stupid lila.
He immigrants god." "we asian stupid immigrants, we
can't understand his circumlocutory speech!"
\_ I'm sorry but WHAT THE HELL are you talking about?
\_ This is a sublime "If you have to ask, you don't know"
moment.
\_ I'm multi-lingual and my observation is that Westerners in general
have a much more difficult time learning non-Western languages
than the other way around. How would you personally feel if you
tried your best to learn in a completely different language system
in a completely different culture but still get ridiculed in the
process? Oh, you wouldn't know, because you're a Westerner who
can't see from the other side's point of view. No wonder the rest
of the world hates you and is eager to see 911 again,
over and over again. Go fuck yourself.
\_ 1) Go fuck yourself as well.
2) Part of the reason people give you shit is that your politics
are repellant to anyone living in a free society and you
defend one of the most loathesome governments on the
planet on a regular basis.
3) I'm a white guy who was thrown into a school of all Mandarin
speaking kids who knew no English when I was 10, and I'm
damn well not about to whine if someone gives me shit about
not knowing the difference between, say, different measure
words, in spite of the fact that my native language has no
measure words in the sense that Mandarin does.
4) I don't have a college degree from a Chinese university.
5) Did I mention go fuck yourself? Oh, yeah, go fuck yourself.
\_ Blow me, I'm going through that right now, starting from zero,
and making a reasonable go of it. This is language #4, by
the way. But I don't presume to go to their top school with
my crappy understanding and grammar. And what the fuck is it
with you and "Westerners"? What does that have to do with
anything? I guess that makes us deserve 911 over and over
again, and I've been (badly) trolled. Cretin. -John
my crappy understanding and grammar. I guess that makes me
as a "Westerner" deserve 911. Touchy, aren't we. -John
\_ then, should US Education restore the policy of given
IQ test in English to those immigrants and dump them into
retard classes based upon the IQ test result?
\_ I don't know what it is with you Swiss but I've had similar
experiences with another pedantic Swiss in Berkeley who seems to
enjoy correcting every little grammatical mistake people make.
Eventually most of us in the company grew resentful of him
(including the CEO who was a minority) and eventually drove him
out of our company. Perhaps you should ask why immigrants don't
like to conform, as understanding the root of the problem may help
you find constructive measures. One of the root causes is
western resentment. If it weren't for you westerners, our
motherlands would still be glorious and our ethnicity would still
be portrayed kindly. But instead your predecessors and your elected
leaders continually harrass, rape, and pillage nations like Vietnam
and Iraq and made us into worthless refugees into your land, only
to be ridiculed for every little tradition we hold dearly in our
heart because whatever it is, rarely comform to your western
standard. Personally, most of us are sick and tired of your
unyielding, dominating western ways, and we just don't like you
people, period. We will continue doing whatever it is we please,
and if it annoys you, great! -foreigner, proud of it
\_ "Every little grammatical mistake"? No, I'm castigating UC
Berkeley students who're supposed to have a firm command of
the English language but instead sound like they learned the
language from the villains of bad war movies (or who're doing
it on purpose to troll more effectively.) You seem to have
a (reasonably) firm command of the English language. You're
still a troll and an idiot, but do you notice how well that
comes across? -John
\_ John, there is a structural problems here in our public
education system (see my post below). Not everything is the
fault of these individuals. This is one of the reason why
problems are a lot more widespread. I can
assure you that *MAJORITY* of otherwise bright and qualified
immigrants DID NOT end up at top Universities due to the fact
that there isn't much incentive in our public school system
to teach them English. Those few who defeated
the odds and made here is either very lucky (i.e. my case) or
he/she is extra-ordinary in some way. Blame this squarely
on individual is going to cause a lot more resentment and
you see all sort of defensive postures. As for stereo types
and Asian being "looked down upon." Let me share this with
you. When I was in high school, I can barely communicate
my thoughts and most people don't have the patience to talk
to me. At the same time, we got this ethnic Vietnamese
who raised in Paris, native French speaker, speak worse
English than I am, but he get a lot more attention and slack
than I do. It's not the color of skin thing, but, there
is a real differences on how average American treats
Europeans immigrants differently than those from Asia.
\_ I don't know who you are and why you've recently dominated
most of the posts on motd but I'm starting to realize that
you probably need something as simple as medications or
therapies. But then again that is not unique to most of the
weirdos who post on motd. Troll on.
\_ first of all, it's just me, not "average CSUA member."
I happened to be a slow language learner and amused by
average Europeans that can speak more than 3 language without
effort. Secondly, since you bought up, ESL *IS* the problem.
To make a long story short, issue with ESL is that 1.
UC requires 2 or 3 years of non-ESL (regular English) class, 2.
ESL is funded by number of headcounts; thus, there isn't much
of an incentive for those who is running ESL program to make
people "graduate" to regular English classes. 3. As consequences,
most people who stuck in ESL program are dumb fucks who has no
real chance to go to college in UC system; 4. Since the pace
of ESL classes mostly determined by the peers, and the fact that
most students in ESL classes has no college ambition, you don't
learn any English as result (Chinese, Arabic, and Spanish was
more common in those classes). In my personal case, it took cheat
(smuggle to ESL office and tweak the official record on language
proficiency), and bribe to for me to get out of ESL in-time just
to be UC eligable. But by that time, I was thrust into classes
on Virginia Wolfe / Nathaniel Hawthorne without any knowledge of
basic sentence and grammar. I am not blaming the system for
my failure. But the sheer fact that you can comprehen what I am
trying to say is considered a huge personal achievement given
the circumstances I was in.
\_ Well, congrats on making it -- but feel comforted by the fact
that it's not just you. There are plenty of people here that
have no excuse and, as John puts it, sound as though they're
speaking orc.... Seriously, though, unless you plan on going
back to your country of origin I strongly suggest that you
work on your language proficiency. It may not be the
official language of the country, but it's still one of the
things your intelligence will be judged by. It can harder to
things your intelligence will be judged by. It can be harder to
land a tech job (or any job, really) if you're unable to
coherently communicate your ideas. (and man, this thread is
just begging for someone to run jive or valspeak, on it,
isn't it?)
coherently communicate your ideas. (and man, dis dread be plum
beggin' fo' someone t'run JIBE o' valspeak, on it, isn't it?)
\_ Maybe you should consider the possibility that most
foreigners look at Westerners as people who judge easily by
the way others look or talk. Maybe foreigners think that
Westerners are superficial, thus don't really care to
conform to the Western standards. Whatever. Go fuck yourself
\_ You pretty good looking for a HU-MAHN!
\_ racist white imperialist oppressing brown people!
\_ How to get started? I am going to get a tutor eventually,
but I think I can start with some highschool level grammar
book. Any recommendation?
book. Any recommendation?
\- you can probably get a used copy of BASIC ENGLISH
REVISITED (it's kinda of a weird book) for <$5.
it's not all grammar but a reference book. the
actual textbook i used is pretty expensive now
and probably not worth it. --psb
\_ if it is a good book and worth recommending,
do you remember the title of the book?
\_ Unless you have a need to infiltrate or become part of the
dirty bi ren culture, I'm sure you have a much better use
of your time than to follow bi ren's advice. You should be
proud of who you are and what you are, and don't give in.
Don't listen to bi ren John. He is a verbal bully and a
total jerk. Look. If someone judges you by the way you
talk or look, that person is shallow and full of shit
and is a total jerk and does not deserve your respect.
That goes with 90% of the bi ren trash I've met in my
life. BI REN ZHUAY TAO YAN GAN TA MA DI.
\_ He didn't judge on it. He pointed out that others
would. It's a fact and you're just being stupid.
Of course people judge on the way people talk and
look. Chinese do that as much... actually I'd say
a lot more in my experience. The diversity of the
USA far exceeds any Asian country. Who's superficial?
Nobody owes you anything.
\_ You may be able to find a tutor interested in helping
you with English in exchange for help with your native
language.
\_ thanks. But being a native speaker is by no mean
a commander of my own native language. I am planning
on getting a native language tutor as well :D |
| 2006/6/26-28 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:43500 Activity:nil |
6/26 Searching for the term intentional pluralisation, I came across
http://www.bigbreastarchive.com/alphabetical/ashleyjuggs/ashleyjuggs.html
\_ where is motd boob guy when you need him? that link sucks. |
| 2006/6/19-21 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:43431 Activity:low |
6/19 The motd is just not the same after account reactivation. So
boring, where did all the troller's go? How am I supposed to
get through my workday??!!
\_ They didn't let certain people come back.
\_ Don't worry, with the latest hack, there are lots of new people on!
\_ The motd isn't here to entertain you. You want trolls? Start
trolling. The motd is what we all make of it. I know you're
kidding. I'm not.
\_ There's a difference between knowing the troll, and walking
the troll.
\_ Dere's some difference between knowin' de troll, an' walkin'
de troll. What it is, Mama!
\_ The ratio of interesting poster to idiot is at a 5 year low.
\_ You sure you don't have it backwards? Trolling seems down to me.
\_ Sorry, too busy to do my usual muckracking/trolling. -Great Swami
\_ Let's see.. Guns are good. Guns are bad. Drivers' license for
illegals violates Article 1, Section 10. |
| 2006/6/15-17 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:43397 Activity:nil |
6/15 MOTD boob guy apprentice here, I got my account
turned on again. Sorry I've been away.
http://www.uploadfile.info/uploads/6cd20bd009.gif
\_ http://www.aminaked.com is all you need -scottyg
\_ This woman is freakish. That's all i can say.
\_ http://weakgame.com/media_10547_Sexy_Soccer.html
\_ These are worse: link:tinyurl.com/mv94v |
| 2006/6/10-13 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Ilyas, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:43345 Activity:low 83%like:43343 |
6/9 name your favorite CSUA meme(s) or meme-like things:
PLAYOFFS. Removed all non-two vote postings.
_________________________
< Anything in a cow: ..... >
-------------------------
\ ^__^
\ (oo)\_______
(__)\ )\/\
||----w |
|| ||
tell about the stars (ilyas): ..
foodP: ....
\_ I thought it was /mnt/mexico? -John
tamtam: .
"if you have to ask, you don't know": .
_______________________
< Anything in a cow: .. >
-----------------------
\ ^__^
\ (oo)\_______
(__)\ )\/\
||----w |
|| ||
CSUA meme
poetry of minerals
spread zinc through the world: .
slap marco: .
phillip nunez: .
GOMD: .
tell about the stars (ilyas): ..
foodP: ..
elevatorP:
DOOSH:
drink-themed machines:
Please do not wash hair (or whatever it was):
XCF tiles:
kick him in the nuts: .
bchoi:
yermom:.
urlP:.
Major Fucking Twink: .
IWTFYITA: .
vahmifqy: .
!psb: .
DING!:
FBI Raid:
Go Stick Your Head in a Pig:
hh's cat:
I Partied with Nick Weaver: .
RICE:
Secret Cabal of Daves:
ok tnx (psb): . |
| 2006/5/26-31 [Academia/Berkeley, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:43199 Activity:nil |
5/26 I keep getting the Forefront magazine from the College of Engineering
as well as massive desperate spam mails asking me to donate money
to college of engineering, as well as to the general Berkeley
campus itself. I'd like to 1) stop getting all useless publications
that fill my mail box, 2) stop getting spam mails from the College of
Engineering, 3) stop getting spam mails from Berkeley itself.
How did they track my real address, and how do I do make them
stop? Thanks.
\_ Why don't you donate, just to the Gold fund (the one where
they want 1000 alumni to donate $25). y
they want 1000 alumni to donate $25).
\_ I am not the op. But every time I get these, the
fact that Berkeley disapproved my in-state recidency
3 times on the ground that I went home for Xmas and
Thanksgiving always makes me think twice about donating.
\_ probably rejected u cuz you can't spell or write english
or figure out how to properly work the system like many
others have easily done to get residency.
\_ Well, if you "went home" then I guess they were right.
You realize what residency means, right?
You realize what residency means, right? -dim
\_ None of this home/not-home shit has anything to do with
him donating or not. If he hated UC he shouldn't donate.
If he liked it and had a great time, he should consider
donating. -- paid in-state, hated UC, won't ever donate
\_ Don't be an ass. "Going home" does not mean "having
your residency there", and as an out of state student,
his tuition difference was a lot more than $25. -John
\_ If his home wasn't here then he's not a resident. Period.
\_ If his home wasn't here then he's not a resident. Period. -dim
\_ dim wit
\_ moron, my mother still says she went "home" (to the
midwest) for christmas. She has lived in california
for over 30 years, do you think she is not a resident?
\_ She might say that, but it's not technically
true. If it was, then she's not a resident either.
My mom says she goes 'home' to Holland, because
she grew up there, but it's just a figure
of speech.
\_ dim wit
\_ I've not lived in CA since 1997. I'm not legally
a resident anymore. My home, however, is there,
capisce? Also, UC admissions disagrees with you:
http://tinyurl.com/fycbf -John
\_ How can your home be in CA when you haven't
lived here for 10 years? Also, I read the
UC page and you'll have to point out there
UC page and you'll have to point out where
it disagrees. I don't see it.
\_ fucking dim wit
\_ My mom lives there. I grew up there. I can
always go back there. Ergo, it is home. And
the UC definition lays out the conditions
pretty clearly. Visiting your family over the
holidays does not contradict "relinquish(ing)
residence in other states." It's not that
difficult to understand. -John
\_ And, yet, the guy above says that's what
UC told him. My guess is that it's
because he didn't merely "visit family over
the holidays" like he says.
\_ Well then that's a different story and
not what we're discussing :-) -John
\_ I just think the use of the phrase
"went home" is telling. That phrase
is often not used literally and
can mean "visited my family" but
in context (guy is applying for
and then denied residency) I think
it's to be taken literally. He
never intended to establish residency.
I wonder if he still lives in CA.
\_ Jesus Christ dim wit, you must
have the the word don't you?
Just admit you're an idiot and
move on.
\_ Yes, I must have "the the word".
\_ You think donating will encourage them to stop?
\_ Why don't you write them to tell them to stop? The address
is in the spam mail. Then they will stop. Give them 4-8 weeks
to update records though. Also remember that engineering dept
and alumni house might have different databases, so if you
continue to get spam, then just write another letter or
call. Be patient. Finally, don't be a fucking cheapskate and
donate something, give something back, make UCB better, you can
specify what fund/program you want to donate to.
As for how they track you: they got your SSN, DOB, last known
addresses and more. Figure it out, college graduate. |
| 2006/5/20-25 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:43121 Activity:nil |
5/20 for motd boob guy(s)
http://www.animatedboobs.com
\_ wtf's up w/ this one?:
http://www.animatedboobs.com:81/animated_boobs_images/032.gif |
| 2006/5/9 [Computer/SW/Apps/Media, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:42991 Activity:nil |
5/9 motd boob guy apprentice wonders if ax got his account
turned on.
http://tinyurl.com/orrby
\_ Broken link.
\_ works for me, might be filtered at your office
\_ From TinyURL: Error: Unable to find site's URL to redirect to. |
| 2006/5/1-4 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:42871 Activity:nil |
4/30 hello. i do not think the wall logs should be on the web
so easily. what do you think?
\_ Wasn't it always on the web in a txt file before?
\_ Can we get motd in RSS too?
\_ Couple problems with that:
1) It's more like a message board than a feed
2) All it takes is one person to booch the formatting
(unlike wall.log, which is consistent enough)
and the whole the whole thing stops working
mrauser's working on a message board anyway, stay tuned
\_ Actually, someone did roll a motd -> rss feed script, but I
don't know what's become of it. If it's lost and I find
some time, I'll do it as an excuse to learn RSS/Atom. -dans
\_ I wrote one, but cgi scripts still are not working
in my cgi-bin directory. I get "Access forbidden"
when I try to run them. -peterl
\_ looks like there's a bug in the httpd.conf:
<Directory /home/*/*/public_html>
AllowOverride FileInfo AuthConfig Limit
Options Indexes IncludesNoExec SymLinksIfOwnerMatch
ExecCGI
</Directory>
(note the "ExecCGI not on the same line as "Options")
If it were on the same line, you'd be able to put an
executable .cgi file anywhere under ~/public_html and
it would work. --dbushong
\_ Yeah, I built an RSS feed of http://csua.org/motd but it just sends
you an entire thread every time there's a change to any part
of it. Meh. --dbushong
\_ It's WALL! It's not like you're posting trade secrets or steamy
sex tapes. And if you're walling such things, I think you want
\_ Or tax returns. Oh, wait...
them to be found.... mostly it's inane chatter, but it's our
inane chatter, and we can track it now -- and to outsiders, it
reads like what it is. Inane chatter. --michener
\_ It's already tracked (or at least was before Soda got
paved) in /csua/lib/wall . Or did you not know that already?
Why do you want to make wall so easily crawlable by Google?
\_ I think there's a realistic concern for expectation of privacy.
Lots of people wall things like "my boss is an idiot," which
are not trade secrets but which would not be walled if the
expectation were that it would wind up on Google. -tom
\_ Which is why you have the choice of whether or not to log
your walls.
\_ I think that's stupid. How would you feel if all
of your IRC and AIM and Yahoo IM and Google Chat
conversations appeared when someone searches or
stumbles on your name in Google?
\_ Ah, but they don't. And wall doesn't have to if you
don't want it to.
\_ Are you a retard? I am making up a situation
to illustrate my point. If you start archiving
the wall log on google, this stuff will happen.
I have some pretty funny wall logs saved from
years ago where someone on soda accidentally
walls about some horrible things that I will not
mention because you will be scarred for life.
I would never ever put this somewhere google
would find it. Making everyone not log their
walls is stupid.
\_ Erm. Some people don't care whether what they
say is available to the public. Wall has been
\_ maybe you should start caring. I think
arbitrarily sticking soda walls on google
when soda walls predate google by like
10 years is not the correct way to do things.
\_ Uh, we've always done it this way so we
should keep doing it this way? That's
idiotic. -dans
public for a long time. The non-logging option
was put in for those who _were_ concerned. If
you want to use it, use it. If you're worried
about someone saving your non-logged walls, don't
wall. Who said anything about "making everyone
not log their walls"?
btw, RealClimate guy, you just overwrote me.
merge your changes.
\_ That's not a reasonable response. -tom
\_ That's not a reasonable response. -tom, arbiter of all
things reasonable
\_ IIRC, that's exactly why that functionality was written
into wallall. Also when lwall/walld was still running,
walls were publicly read/write available
\_ "publicly readable" is not the same as "indexed
by Google." And it is quite annoying when people
don't log their walls. -tom
don't log their walls. -tom hasn't attended a
politubro meeting or
csua event in years
despite working on the
Berkeley campus, but
still feels the
politburo and the
undergrads should do
what he wants, when he
wants it. tom commands
the politburo to give
him a blow job!
\_ Logging walls is so you can do a tail -whatever !*
wall_log when you log in and see the context of an
ongoing conversation, not to make it public ("public"
in this case being visible and indexed on the great
big Internet.) Meditate briefly on the difference,
young padawan--great truths may be revealed. -John
\_ Oh, look, an undergrad wrote some code to do
something new, and it messes with the little sandbox
we've been playing in for the last decade! Wah Wah!
Let's lynch the upstart prick! Seriously though, I
am disgusted by how certain alums treat soda and the
CSUA as their personal pissing ground, expect that
*nothing* will ever change, and abuse undergrads who
actually write interesting software. The situation
is fucked up. It needs to stop. -dans
\_ Take a chill pill, dans. This is about a
specific feature that would have undesirable
consequences for both undergrads and alumns.
Don't turn it into some battle of the ages between
us evil alumns and the poor oppressed undergrads
we're constantly shitting on. -John
\_ Um I don't think disagreeing with an idea counts
as abuse. The root post of this thread is just
someone expressing an opinion. Get over yourself.
The RSS thing is kind of cool but personally, I
don't think wall fits what RSS is for. Just
because you can do something doesn't mean you
should. But I hardly even use wall anyway so it
doesn't really matter to me.
What actually is the point of wall going out as
an RSS feed? wall is more of a real time
conversation mechanism, not a news feed thing.
Having motd.[official and/or unofficial] on it
would make more sense.
\_ No, disagreeing with an idea is not abuse, but
when specific alumni repeatedly gang up
against the undergrads, flame the politburo
and root, and troll the motd, it adds up to
abuse. What's so fucked about this situation
\_ Well you know, geeks sometimes don't have
the best social skills. They attack
\_ Then maybe we should go back to
beating social skills into them.
everything because this is how they function
in their engineering jobs. But they might
not be wrong.
is that there is a technological solution for
enabling wallrss while stopping Google from
spidering it, but none of the alums who bitch
so loudly are stepping up with code or configs
to solve the problem. Why the hell should the
alumni get to decide what the undergrads can
and can't do? That's stupid. -dans
to solve the problem. Just becaus you can do
\_ I'm still waiting for action on
the last two things I've "stepped up"
with.
\_ Namely? Maybe the ugrads are more
interested in rolling new
functionality than trying to
recreate soda exactly the way it
has been for the last decade?
Maybe they're busy kids doing this
in their spare time, not treating
CSUA root work as a paid job. -dans
\_ perhaps they (or you) shouldn't
suggest mailing root and stepping
up then
\_ Hey, if they (or I) can con
you into doing free work,
but pick and choose what we
implement when, more power
to us. -dans
\_ yes, it's always better
to jerk people around.
this is why people bitch
instead of doing stuff.
--------------------------------------/
\_ Actually, I find a mixture of jerking people around and
rewarding them works best. It simulates gambling, which
causes people to work like madmen. -dans
\_ I hope this is a feeble attempt at humor....
\_ No, I find it's a legitimate management technique of
last resort. Works nicely with ornery, lazy teams, but
isn't really necessary for teams of smart folks who get
things done. -dans
something doesn't mean you should, but if you
use that as an excuse never to do anything,
nothing would ever change. -dans |
| 2006/4/18-20 [Recreation/Activities, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:42774 Activity:low |
4/17 Rootstaff: You guys fucking ROCK! Thank you so much for putting in
all the extra time and effort necessary to get soda back up running
especially after all the disasters! -mice
\_ seconded!
\_ Good job, thanks. -John
\_ Excellent work. --erikred
\_ thanks. kngharv |
| 2006/4/12-24 [Politics/Domestic/911, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:42737 Activity:low |
4/12 Not soda-related: Can anyone name services used by the general public
which have 'five nines' uptime? That is, unavailable for less than
5 minutes in any year. One of our potential clients is requesting this
level of reliability and it seems extreme to me. I was wondering who
actually hits this level.
\- helo, "the phone system" is the standard place to talk about
5 9s. i think in many cases it boils down to "how much $ to
invest in backup power" and maybe being able to cut a service
over quickly [automatically] in the event of failure or downtime
for patching etc. i think you are probably right the person you
are talking to is a dumbass. i dunno if you are in the position
to do this but you might ask "how many minutes of downtime per
year is acceptable" ... ask this question in real time [face to
face or over the phone]. most stupid people dont know. assuming
the pass that test and realize the difference between 4 and 5 9s
is 50min, you might ask what 50min of total or partial failure
is worth [keep in mind if a WEEB site says they do $100k of
transactions per hour, you really have to measure how much of
that is gone for good and wont just be executed later or cant
be buffered somehow in the case of a partial failure]. but you
are right that at this point you have to start spending serious
money on things like 24x7 engineering staff who can replace
failed blades in cisco routers at 3am and such, or can diagnose
weirg BGP problems on easter sunday ... let alone deliberate
attacks on the system. i'm not sure what the reliability tagets
for 911 and ATC are but you might do some research on those. oktnx.
\_ I thought credit card processors and financial exchanges were
the standard. When you refer to the phone system, do you mean
POTS, or do you include the cellular network? If it's both,
then it definitely doesn't have five nines. What about when I
call a land line from a land line, and the system cannot
complete it because of too much traffic? Does that count as
down time? -dans
\_ I nominate lesser-bloviator: tom@soda, greater-bloviator: dans
\_ You're a moron. -dans
\_ Right, and name calling in retaliation for random
anonymous trolls is the earmark of an intellectual
giant. Isn't it past due for you to pointlessly insult
tom or something?
\_ I'm sorry, since I lack your intellectual stature
and slick post-modern tools for deconstruction I
fail to see how the sentence, ``You're a moron,''
states or implies that I am a genius. Perhaps you
could clarify for lesser intellects like mine. -dans
\_ Oh the irony! You're fun to play with, dans.
\_ Oh, touch my monkey! Touch it!
http://csua.org/u/fke -dans
P.S. You don't seem to understand the meaning
of the word irony. Please consult a
dictionary, or Dave Eggers' handy guide in ``A
Heartbreaking Work of Staggering Genius.''
\_ Actually I understand it quite well, thanks.
\- the std reference on irony is ARISTOTLE
not EGGERS
\_ Your usage suggests otherwise. How does
your use of the term irony actually
match the definition? -dans
\_ Actually, my usage is bang on.
\_ No. Really, it's not. You might
describe my language as sarcasm,
but not irony. Irony is when the
opposite of what is expected
happens. Nothing more. There is
absolutely no way you can
correctly describe my comment as
ironic. -dans
\_ You're wrong.
\_ Eh. Are you enjoying
trolling? -dans
\_ Since it's so easy...not
really. I find this whole
conversation absurd since
I know what relationship
I'm referring to and you
clearly have no clue.
It if makes you feel smart
then by all means, keep
trying...but you'll still
very wrong.
be very wrong.
\- are you enjoying being
a fool?
if you look at a roman
source like quintillian
if you look at roman
sources, e.g. quintillian,
they will commonly
emphasize the idea of
opposite meaning but in
the older greek conception
[as exemplified by
socrates "know nothing"
attitude, or as discussed
formally in aristotle
with examples mostly
from homer and attic drama]
it often better character-
ized as "understatement"
or dissembled meaning
rather than opposite.
often defeinition talk
about a "contrary" meaning
to what is stated, but
contary has a different
sense than opposite.
1. some what ironically
\_ Do you mean
somewhat? -dans
\_ OOhh!! Face!
Face!! You
got him!!!1!one
UCB DEAD PROFESSOR and
MACARTHUR GENIUS was
one of the main modern
scholars on IRONY.
see: http://csua.org/u/fko
2. the wikipedia entry
on irony is pretty decent
and more importantly a lot
more readable than some
formal discussions.
\_ That's nice. I always
quote the wikipedia as
a reliable source on
scholarly literary
topics. -dans
\- you referenced "a
dict" and dave
eggers.
i cited:
1. quintillian
2. aristotle
3. vlastos
4. wikipedia
wikip is probably
the only one
accessible to you.
i assume you didnt
see the Nature
study comparing
the EB and Wikip.
it did pretty well.
a key to using
the wikip is to
know enough about
the subject to
be able to tell
if it is trustworthy
on factual points.
keep digging buddy.
--------------------------------------------------/
\ \_ You're right. -tom ... Now that
\ would be ironic, no? -!tom
\_ So, in other words, since you clearly have no idea what the hell
you're talking, you are incapable of judging whether or not the
wikipedia entry on irony is accurate, and you were just pulling a
source out of your ass! Awesome! Please tell me oh great and
mighty master of irony, were my previous two sentences ironic; is
this one? -dans
\_ So, rather than admit you can't read my mind and are therefore
probably wrong, you flip out and resort to ad hominem red
herrings. I'm beginning to see a pattern in your behavior
here... You can have this thread, btw -- I won my bet. =)
\_ Little Dan, this is your Mother. Please stop embarassing us.
\_ Fuck you. If you had any knowledge of my mother's
condition, you'd realize that's in remarkably poor taste.
-dans
\_ Now that's ironic. Little Dan, did you cry?
\_ No. Properly speaking, if you wanted to mock me by
insinuating that I am a baby, you would call me
Danny, but it doesn't really work unless you knew me
when I was called that. -dans
\_ Why would he?
\_ Now that's ironic.
\_ I think dans is the self appointed expert irony mind
reader guy around here -- let's see what he says,
first.
\_ she's on the cover of Crack Ho Magazine?
\_ yermom
\_ the motd: delivering idiotic banter with 5 9s reliability |
| 2006/4/4-5 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:42672 Activity:kinda low |
4/4 If you're going to wipe the motd, nuke it from orbit. It's the only
way to be sure:
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4fF / */ .o ._-__.__/~-. \*R\
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~\_\= = =-*###%#x==-# *=- =/
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| I I \\ do not appreciate this.
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( [ (( I@) ))) ) /
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|| * | |\|\
/* /I\ *~~\ | OO\
/~-/* / \ \ ~~M~\ | /^^\|
____----=~ // /WVW\* \|\ ***===--___ |_m_m/
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~~ ~~ ____----=~ // /WVW\* \|\ ***===--___ |_m_m/
\_ Yes!!!! |
| 2006/4/4 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:42648 Activity:nil |
4/4 pervo dans 19 year old fancier, fob motd guy, motd boob
guy have primitive love child:
http://tinyurl.com/z5r5l link:tinyurl.com/kejz5
http://tinyurl.com/zrnau http://tinyurl.com/k94xb
http://tinyurl.com/j99pe http://tinyurl.com/z5r5l
http://tinyurl.com/kyr9j |
| 2006/4/1 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Ilyas, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:42600 Activity:moderate |
4/1 Whoa! I was gonna delete stupid drivels but someone's been doing it
for me while I was gone. I don't know who you are but you're doing a
great job. Team work rules!
\_ You can't keep the motd censored for several reasons:
1) there *is* a class of people with more time than the moronic
self-proclaimed grad student: the multiple government employees
here who all have scripts that can undo the damage caused with
a button press who want the motd free of your ugliness.
2) there are dozens of others who will never stop posting new
political topics to the motd and restoring censored threads
when they notice censorship (with their own detect/restore)
scripts.
3) they all care about this way more than you do.
4) you're way outnumbered.
5) censorship has been tried many times in the past and always
failed for the above reasons, you're nothing special.
Good luck with your petty and childish plan to force other people
to talk about only what you want them to talk about. If you go
too far and auto-script it, you *will* get caught and then we'll
be debating squishing you. You won't be missed.
\_ Please don't underestimate the power of super bored grad
students. We will ILYAS your crap for as long as it is
necessary. We have the time, and we have the number. There
is no way you can match our power. Bring it on. -op
\_ There's nothing to bring and that's where your plan falls
down. We're just going to keep restoring censored items and
adding new ones, business as usual. You have to go out of
your way to censor. I find it ironic that in order to
selectively kill political posts you're going to have to read
them. Welcome to the old world order.
\_ You have presented the stick, which will win in the end. Let me
also introduce the carrot. OP may not be able to understand
why some people are interested in what he thinks is "drivel",
but that "drivel" is part of what keeps dozens of old, experienced
software and IT professionals reading and posting to the motd for
years and years. Those people can answer questions that would
have taken a lot of work to answer on one's own, and can help
one find a job. Think of the politics trolls as a fee you have
to pay for the service of having this technical forum which
experienced technical people read and post to.
\_ All true but I doubt the op cares. He's going to hide in
academia forever where he'll get kudos for spending time
re-solving solved problems.
\_ It's disingenuous to call cleaning up the motd censorship, and
demeans the damage done by genuine acts of censorship. The motd
is a private community resource. When members of this community
nuke threads they feel are drivel, it's not censorship, it's a
speech act that expresses their opinion, namely that those
threads are a waste of time. If you so desire, you may express
your opinion by putting the threads back. Seriously, if you
really care about censorship and want to fight it, there are
*far* more important battles to be fought than on the motd,
which, when you get right down to it is basically a playground.
-dans |
| 2006/3/28 [Science/GlobalWarming, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:42487 Activity:kinda low |
3/28 A day or two later and the motd doesn't look much like the dans vs
the world show anymore does it? Now it looks like the right-wing
political trolls vs. the left-wing political trolls show. -dans
\_ That must mean that you're overdue for a "snipe at tom" session or
something. You sure you're feeling okay, dans? :P -mice
\_ Point taken.
\_ Please support your statement with facts.
\_ The facts are self-evident. Please get a clue. -dans |
| 2006/3/27-28 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll, Recreation/Media] UID:42469 Activity:nil |
3/27 Wait, what if motd boob guy, star trek movie guy, and movie critic
guy were all the same person? Wouldn't that be like some sort of
stereotypical geek trifecta? Or would he need to be Asian, too?
\_ I think that person exists and his name is Roger Ebert.
\_ I thought Russ Meyer was the boob guy.
\_ You are of course aware Roger Ebert cowrote
"Beyond The Valley Of The Dolls" with Russ Meyer
\_ Roger Ebert lives with boobs 24/7
\_ Anyway, when did Ebert get a CSUA account and
start posting URLs from bustywebshots?
\_ "I thought the acting was wooden, there was no character
development, and the ending was predictable, but check out the
chick's boobs! Two thumbs up!"
\_ I don't watch enough movies to be the mmc. And I'm not much
into boobs. Though I would not turn down the opportunity to
watch Jadzia running around DS9 shooting people w/ a concussion
phaser rifle. -stmg |
| 2006/3/27-28 [Politics/Domestic/President, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:42464 Activity:nil |
3/27 hybrid motd boob guy / movie critic says
Inside Man has it all:
guns, Jews, New Jersey boobs, Denzel Washington
being The Man, lesbians, cool shots of NYC,
National Socialists fans, hot Albanians, racial
politics, humor... please see this movie instead
of fucking V FOR VENDETTA or give your money to
a deserving homeless person outside of the theater.
\_ See both.
\_ take the $20 you save from not seeing these, and go buy the
V for Vendetta collection at your local bookstore. So much
better. |
| 2006/3/20 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:42328 Activity:nil |
3/20 If you're going to troll the motd today, please make
that extra effort and at least try to use proper
grammar. I know you like to pretend that you are
an angry immigrant troll who just moved to Berkeley
but I know you had to take the TOEFL before being
admitted so I know you're not a moron. Thank you. |
| 2006/3/10-13 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:42171 Activity:nil |
3/10 DISCLAIMER:
Dear current csua students-- the bickering between tom and dans
is NOT representative of current alumni and your future, and
is certainly NOT typical behaviour from typcial alumni. Most
of us have a bit more humour and are much more optimistic,
forgiving, and helpful. Most of us understand that what happened in
the past, is history and no one really give a damn. What's important
is _now_, the present time, because we can do something to make
csua a better organization. You [current students] have our support.
You certainly have my moral support, but don't count on getting
any money from me because I'm a cheapskate alum who can't even
afford a typical house, a 60 year old run down house for $800K in
San Jose or Santa Clara even with my near 6-digit salary so I'm
forced to buy a fucking $600K house out of nowhere north of
Gilroy and suffer traffic every single fucking day. FUCK!! !!!
Oops, I'm only joking. I'm not bitter. Really. Go Cal. BEAT STANFORD!
\_ Thanks a lot for your show of support. Don't worry I realize that
most often the silent minority who agree with policy/direction
can be drowned out by a vocal minority. With recently getting new
soda we are actually ok in regards to the constant need for more
money. It sounds like maybe we should go panhandle for change
to help you out though. :P
I hope you manage to make it to the alumni bbq and can meet some of
the current students. -mrauser, president
Just so you know, its highly unlikely that more than 1-2 current
students ever read the motd (myself included) and thus probably
have no idea that tom and dans are bickering.
\_ Bingo!
\_ 2ded. I personally think that the CSUA is a great student
organization and am proud to be an alum member. I have hired
several CSUA members as interns and full time employees and
will continue to support the CSUA morally and financially.
On a side note, I have been greatly impressed by the dedication
of the recent politburo members (props to jvarga and mrauser)
and hope that the CSUA continues to recruit dedicated ugs.
GO BEAH!
\_ 3ded. |
| 2006/3/7-10 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:42132 Activity:high |
3/7 Isn't it squishable to use something like fold to modify motd?
\_ maybe. who is doing it?
\_ Yes, but no one cares anymore.
\_ No. It's theoretically squishable to have something automatically
modifying the MOTD every three minutes via fold or some other
method, but ever since paolo did it, it seems anything goes. -tom
\- What if you are an obsessive compulsary guy like me who checks
the motd every 5 minutes _manually_ and do repeated things to
motd _manually_? How do you distinguish between changes done
via a script that keeps calling fold or just someone like me?
Is it squishable because of one's ultimate intent to motd
regardless of actual changes, or is it squishable only when
the actual changes are made repeatedly, regardless of method?
\_ The only cases I know of where someone was squished for
modifying the MOTD were when it was being done automatically.
Being an idiot is not the same as being a hoser. -tom
Being an idiot is not the same as being a hoser. For example
I am an idiot and marco was a hoser. -tom
\_ The horse is dead tom. Please stop beating it. -dans
PS, I'm a little dubious of your standing to bitch about CSUA
policy since you've done so since before I got to Berkeley in
'97, and continued to do so until I finished in '04, and, to my
knowledge, you never once showed up at a politburo meeting. I'm
under the impression that you work on the Berkeley campus so
it's not like you have distance as an excuse.
\_ I've been to general meetings during that time frame.
I think the current undergraduates really should be in
charge of setting policy and direction for the CSUA, but
I also think that it's inappropriate and inexcusable for a
CSUA officer to intentionally and deceptively screw up a
public CSUA resource. -tom
\_ Fair enough. Even so, I can say your knowledge of the
so-called paolo motd squishing incident is incomplete.
There are facts you don't have that were discussed by the
then current undergraduate members of the politburo in
closed session, and a policy decision was made based on
those facts. Thus, in this case, your hard line stance on
the issue is in conflict with your statement that
undergrads should set policy and direction. Seriously
though, it's been for years. Don't you think it's time to
move on? -dans
\_ Don't you think the politburo should have responded
to the person who brought the complaint? I never
heard a single word. And I can't imagine what facts
there could be which would mitigate the situation
enough that the CSUA President would not have to at
least admit wrongdoing and apologize--unless you
believed paolo's total BS about how his process really
was pine and it was checking mail every three minutes.
Closed politburo session for disciplining a politburo
member is also total BS. -tom
\_ It would mitigate the situation if the President's
apparently anti-social act that stomped on your
playground actually benefited the greater good of
the CSUA. If the University was pressuring the CS
department to shut off the CSUA's net taps
*permanently* in response to complaints that the
motd was in gross violations of campus hate
speech/fighting words statutes, then nuking the
motd would benefit this greater good. I phrase
this as a hypothetical because I can't disclose
specifics on the record without betraying the
confidence of the politburo members at that time.
Refer to question #18 in link:csua.org/u/f69 for
more info re: campus hate speech regs (sorry, it's a
PDF). And, also hypothetically, perhaps the
politburo didn't respond to the person who raised
the complaint because they felt that the individual's
language and attitude was abusive and demanding, and
they felt disinclined to interact with such an
individual? If said individual raised his/her
complaint in person at a politburo meeting with the
same language and attitude, I suspect the politburo
would have told him to `Fuck off' in so many words.
As is, they let sleeping dogs lie. You can state
that ``Closed politburo session for disciplining a
politburo member is also total BS,'' but that's your
opinion. The undergraduates on the politburo made a
policy decision regarding how they wanted to handle
the matter. If you truly believe that current
undergraduates should set policy and direction, you
don't get to pick and choose which policy decisions
they do and don't make. -dans
\_ chmod 644 /etc/motd.public is how I would solve
that problem. No need to run a script to wipe
motd. -mrauser
\_ oh that's a load of crap and you know it. paolo
was deleting the MOTD because people were taking
out his postings of kinneydrivel. If he were
doing it for the greater good of the CSUA, why
did he name his process "pine" and lie about
what it did? We're not talking about the
MOTD nazi'ing after 9/11, we're talking about
while (1) sleep 180 ; cp /dev/null /etc/motd.public
And I do think the undergraduates should be
allowed to set policy; do you think that if I
put the above in a script, called it "pine",
and ran it myself, that that would be OK and
within CSUA policy? What a crock. -tom
\_ I agree that Paolo's implementation left much
to be desired, but that's neither here nor
there. And yes, if nuking the motd kept us
from getting our net tap shut off, while it
wouldn't be OK, I'd sincerely hope that it
would be forgiven. At this point the dispute
is who's facts are correct. Yours run counter
to my recollection, but I doubt I'm going to
convince you my memory is better than yours
or vice versa. But that still begs the
question, why are you beating a horse that's
been dead for four years? -dans
\_ The facts that paolo *claimed at
the time* were that he was "running
tests using screen to have it run
pine in the background and
auto-reattach itself to my
soda-shell whenever i got new mail" (his
words). Apparently, when it became obvious
that this was 100% bullshit, he told the
politburo that he was on a SOOPER SEKRIT
MISSION to SAVE THE CSUA from the EVIL
LORD MULLALLY. And apparently he
succeeded in his mission, despite only
deleting the MOTD for about three
hours on one occasion and never running his
script again (at least not automatically).
What an effective leader he was! I
bring it up because I am still dumbfounded,
not only that he did it in the first place,
but that his credulous cronies let him
get away with it. Maybe you believed his
bullshit--that would just make you a
stooge and a tool. Paolo, on the other
hand, was a scumbag. -tom
\_ Excuse me? Have you ever sat down
and had a beer with me? Or Paolo?
Paolo is a good guy and a good friend
who's there when he's needed. I can
attest to this as will many others.
Back when he was on politburo, he worked
his ass for the CSUA. So did I. You,
on the other hand are a faceless bitter
dour naysayer alumni who sees fit
to bitch and moan about `those kids
these days,' but, in my seven years
kicking around Berkeley, I never once
saw you lift a finger for this
organization. You seem to believe that
\_ Excuse me? Have you ever sat down and
had a beer with Paolo? Or me? I know
he busted his ass for the CSUA when he
was on politburo. So did I. You on the
other hand seem to be a bitter dour
naysayer alumnus who loves to bitch
about ``those damned kids these days,''
but, in the seven years I was active in
the CSUA, I never once saw you lift a
finger for this organization. Basically,
you're a parasite. You seem to think
the motd is your personal playground,
You think Paolo pissed on it once four
years ago, and, like a child or a
fanatic, you latch onto this tiny
perceived slight, blow it way out of
proportion, and refuse to move on or let
go. Somehow, in the haze of your ongoing
childish tantrum, you concluded that
people you barely or never interacted
with are, in your words, scumbags,
stooges, and tools. My first impulse is
to revert to your level and call you a
wanker, but, on further reflection, I'm
simply speechless. -dans
and you believe Paolo pissed on it.
Like a child or a fanatic, your response
to this tiny perceived slight is to blow
it completely out of proportion: You
hold a grudge over the matter that's
lasted four years (and counting). On
the basis of incomplete information
about a single event, you just labeled
a bunch of people you've barely or never
interacted with as stooges, tools, and
scumbags. I'm tempted to drop to your
level and call you a wanker, but,
frankly, I'm just speechless. -dans
\_ Way to change the subject! First of
all, I am quite confident that I
have both done more work for the CSUA
and donated more money to the CSUA
than either of you. Second, how
much work any of us have done for
the CSUA is completely irrelevant
to whether paolo's actions were
inappropriate. And it's not just
that he munged the MOTD; it's that
he threatened me with lawsuits and
police action when I reported it.
That's appropriate behavior for
an officer of an organization? -tom
\_ I'm not changing the subject. You
called me a tool and a stooge. I
can live with that. But you also
slapped that label (and scumbag)
on several of my friends,
something I am considerably less
inclined to tolerate. This is the
first time you've brought up
threats of lawsuits and police
action. I know in your world you
want us all to bow down and lick
your asshole when you champion
your righteous views, but a) you
refuse to allow for the fact that
you may be wrong and b) we live in
a civil society where the police
and the courts exist to adjudicate
disputes between parties. You
have a right to raise complaints.
But if you harrass people to make
your complaints heard, or your
complaints are slanderous or
libelous, then the wronged parties
have a right to seek legal
recourse. If Paolo legitimately
felt you wronged him, then it is
reasonable and appropriate for him
to seek remedy from the police or
the courts. -dans
\_ except he was 100% full of
shit, which is why he
apparently came up with a
totally new story in the
SOOPER SEKRIT POLITBURO
MEETING where, surprise,
his friends decided not to
do anything to him. -tom
\_ I am ready to fight you Tom.
Are you a coward? -dans
\_ GUN DUEL!!
\_ I did not write this.
-dans
\_ So you are scared to
fight tom too? It is
too bad for the
CSUA you both lack
physical courage.
\_ Look tom, if it was such an
important issue, and you
believe so strongly in your
conviction that Paolo is a
liar and a `scumbag,' you
could have escalated your
complaint to the ASUC, the
CS department, or the
University level. You chose
not to do that. Instead,
you vent on the motd with
cheap shots and low blows at
the parties involved four
years after the fact. This
is just sour grapes over the
fact that the politburo
decided that you were wrong,
and your complaint lacked
merit. Apparently you don't
like to be reminded that
you're not omnipotent, and
sometimes this leads to
incorrect conclusions. -dans
\_ I didn't vent on the MOTD.
I reported it to the
politburo, courteously
and with details. The
\_ And then proceeded to
vent about it on the
motd for the next four
years (and counting!)
when the politburo
decided, based on
findings of fact that
your complaint was
without merit. -dans
politburo ignored me
except for paolo's
reply where he lied about
what he was doing,
claimed he was placing
a restraining order
against me, and blamed
me for making soda
"not a place for
undergraduates."
(Ignoring, of course,
the fact that he was the
one trashing the
resource). The act
itself was not that
big a deal, and it
would have been a
disservice to the CSUA
to try to bring it to
a higher authority.
However, paolo is still
a scumbag and you're
still a tool. -tom
\_ I am thankful I don't
see the world through
your eyes. -dans
\_ The bottom line here is paolo was
your friend and anything he did
was fine.
\_ No. I choose my friends
because they behave like
honorable human beings I can
respect. I can't be friends
with someone I don't respect.
If he did something genuinely
reprehensible, he wouldn't be
my friend anymore. -dans
\_ It wasn't "reprehensible";
I mean, he didn't murder
anyone or steal etc. What
he did do was break a CSUA
policy that others have
been disciplined for, and
lied about it. I mean, you
\_ To my knowledge, he did
not lie about it. Tom
accuses him of lying
about it, but, as this
thread shows, Tom lives
in a reality distortion
field so I am
disinclined to believe
Tom's accusation. Honor
and honesty are very
important to me, and
while I don't view them
purely in black and
white, I would end a
friendship over them
-dans
\_ So, do you believe
the following?
1. I have been and was running tests using screen to have it run pine
in the background and auto-reattach itself to my soda-shell whenever i got
new mail (think of it as biff++). I have been running these test for
several days now.
I have been checking my screen sessions on soda and the programs I've
been running are not only nice'd, but go to sleep awaiting a timer
call. I'm using soda because some of my mail goes to soda.
...
For this i am contacting the OSC and the Berkeley PD about restraining
orders placed against Mr. Holub.
The first two
paragraphs don't
jibe at all with
what you claim
happened at the
SOOPER SEKRIT
politburo meeting.
And I seriously
doubt he ever
contact OSC or
contacted OSC or
the Berkeley PD.
-tom
--------------------------------------------------/
\_ Did Paolo cc anyone, e.g. the politburo on that mail? That is, if
Paolo sent the out of context email excerpt you posted, and the
statements therein are untrue, did he lie to you, or did he lie to
both you *and* the politburo? I'm willing to believe he sent the
email you are excerpting, I don't think your reality distortion
field is so warped that you would fabricate old emails. Did it
ever occur to you that his purpose was to get you off his back?
If he lied to you, then it was bad form and a poor way to
accomplish that end. But, apparently, it succeeded. You might
feel you deserve an apology. That said, however, you make a
pattern of being rude, belligerent, and nasty in your electronic
communications, as evinced by your behavior on the motd. Oddly
enough, this is something you and I share. The difference is that
when someone responds to my nastiness by ignoring me or telling me
to fuck off in so many words, I accept the consequences. You, on
the other hand, demand an apology, and declare a lifelong (four
years, and counting!) vendetta against the party in question. -dans
\_ That was his response to my mail to root. He cc:ed root,
twohey, ajani, galen, and chialea. He made similar claims on
\_ Let's apply Occam's razor here. Which of the following is
more plausible:
a) Paolo is privately a degenerate scumbag, but his public
face is that of a brilliant social engineer who counts the
following people in his thrall of tools and stooges:
- twohey, ajani, galen, and chialea
- all root staff members
- all politburo members
- everyone reading wall during the time period in question
b) You really weren't privy to all the details, and thus
your self-righteous black and white assessment is wrong.
-dans
<<<<<<< /home/sgi/dcs/tms
\_ This is great. If paolo sent it just to me, he was
just trying to get me to go away, but if he sent it
to lots of people, he must have been telling the
truth. How's this for a possibility: the politburo
was a bunch of paolo's friends, who didn't want to
do the right thing (turn off his account and remove him
as President), so they decided in "closed session"
(so no one else ever knew what happened) to let it slide.
Sounds pretty ontologically parsimonious to me. -tom
\_ tom, do you need a hug? Maybe a nice puppy or a kitty
cat for your apartment? -dans
\_ How can you count 'everyone reading wall...'?
\_ As tom has made abundantly clear, if you're not
with tom, your against tom. Since those reading wall
did not rush to tom's defense and aide, they must be
part of Paolo's vast scumbag conspiracy of tools and
stooges. -dans
Also, another possibility is that those 'tools and stooges'
in actuality chose to just let it slide, for whatever
reason, since that's the easiest thing to do, and they
probably had no idea what really happened and don't
care much either way about the incident.
=======
\_ You are a black bugger. -tom
>>>>>>> /etc/motd.public
\_ Sounds plausible to me. It also explains why, unlike
tom, they're not still bitching about it after the
fact. -dans
wall. The issue has *nothing to do* with my online personality;
\_ Do you have an
different online
personality
because you are
worried about
getting beaten up
in real life?
\_ He does run
away when
someone makes
physical
threats on the
motd.
\_ you know,
psb, a
twerp like
you really
should
stay away
from
talking
about
physical
conflict.
-tom
it has to to with paolo trying to come up with a plausible story
to dupe the credulous. He failed the first time, so apparently
he came up with a totally different story, completely
inconsistent with his first one, to tell at the politburo
meeting. (By the way, the MOTD that day was
http://www.csua.com/2001/07/11;
nothing remotely resembling hate speech). -tom
know, whatever, but there
it is. Your politburo chose
to ignore that. That thing
had nothing to do with hate
speech (that was the 9/11
motd shutdown). I don't
think that this incident
would be enough to break a
friendship over. But it
is quite plain that there
was dishonesty there; can't
you at least admit that it
was a wrong thing to do
especially for an officer?
Anyway I don't really care
and nobody else really does
either but it remains an
item of precedent that tom
was perfectly justified in
pointing out at the top of
this thread. All the rest
of this thread is your
indignant lashing back.
Anyway I don't have
anything against y'all I
just think it's funny.
\_ "hard line stance"? Seriously.. You (by which I mean
the last 5 years or so of politburo) only use terms like
this because of an inflated sense of importance. I think
it's time politburo stops whining about outdated
criticism.
\_ Um, dude, I'm making an argument. I use language
appropriate for the discussion. Sense of importance
has nothing to do with it. I think it's time that
bitter dour naysayer alumni stop whining about four
year old slights. -dans
\_ For posterity, what were those facts? -!tom
\_ The hypothetical I describe is pretty damn close. I
can't disclose specifics without violating others'
trust. Yes, it's lame, but it's also how it fell
out. -dans
\_ trust him, he's only wiretapping bad guys. -tom
\_ I agree it's fucked. But I also gave my word.
Look tom, I've been way more active in this
organization in the last seven years than you
have. Is there a reason your word should
carry more weight than mine? -dans
\_ That makes absolutely no sense. Do you actually
believe that?
\_ If someone asks for my opinion on a matter in
confidence, I give it, in confidence. I don't
put a statue of limitations on that. I value
my word. -dans
\_ I was referring to the hate speech theory of
why noble paolo was auto-wiping the motd.
\_ Berkeley has pretty strong fighting
words/hate speech policies, and they
were *really* on the warpath in the
weeks following 9/11. -dans
\_ yes, nice theory, only problem
is, this was two months before
9/11. Oh, and when confronted
with the evidence, paolo didn't
say anything about hate speech,
and there wasn't any hate speech
in the MOTD that day. Unless
you count kinneydrivel. -tom
\_ Tom was scared after some geeks threated to physically
assault him.
\_ That's moderately amusing, but my point is a serious one.
-dans
\_ Us old farts do this for a while, then we transcend Politburo
meetings for a higher plane of consciousness. You too will
realize this when you graduate to old fartness, young
padawan. -John
\_ John, you live in Europe. I can understand if you don't
make it to a single politburo meeting in seven years. Me,
I don't want to transcend to a plane where I bitch about
things, but make no genuine effort to alter objective
reality. -dans
\_ Earth to dans. Earth to dans. You already do that.
\_ As if you have any standing to judge. Please keep
believing that. Social, political, and economic
systems share at least one thing with computers:
they're easier to hack without someone looking over
your shoulder. -dans
\_ We're alumni. We don't have to go to meetings anymore.
We've earned the right to bitch from the sidelines no
matter where you are. Hey, it's the undergrads'
organization, we have no business showing up :-) -John |
| 2006/3/3-6 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:42086 Activity:high |
3/3 Has the CSUA considered asking alumni to ccme back and give talks about
the cool stuff they are doing? I'm thinking of bz (Cyan), maybe aubie
(Pixar)... I'm sure there are plenty of others I'm forgetting (no
offense intended). Twohey, lea, myself and others could talk about
grad school. Brg could too, but I don't know if you would want that.
I bet mconst could put on some kind of freaky variety show (he'll
solve an open math problem, patch a critical kernel bug, then kick
your ass at any video game in existence). There are distance issues
involved for some folks, but if they were asked (well, if I was asked)
I bet people would make an effort. I think this could be a huge draw,
and take advantage of one of the CSUA's core strengths. I'll leave
you with the opening to a talk I was writing for UCB undergrads about
going to grad school:
"This talk is either going to suck donkey balls, or rock you like an
exam written by Hilfinger _and_ Garcia. And I just came from the
Super-DC, where they are FRESH OUT OF DONKEY BALLS. As Yoda says,
there is no try, only do."
-jhs
\_ I brought in a guy from work to talk about election security.
It was a facinating talk, but, of course, almost no one showed
up. -jrleek
\_ There hasn't ever been anything resembling serious election
security in this country. Probably not in most others either.
\_ Umm, no duh? So we can't have a talk on it? -jrleek
\_ Of course, but it's such an obscure topic for most
\- vertex algebras is an obscure topic.
election security is hardly obscure.
people, especially the politically unaware freshmen
that I'm not surprised it wasn't well attended. Do you
think most people are aware elections have been rigged
since forever? Most people don't even vote so why would
they care if an election is manipulated or not?
\_ Well, this was primarily about electronic voting.
\_ Erm, isn't that sort of part of the purpose of a
university, to expose you to obscure topics? -John
\_ No. You're supposed to get a 'higher education'
which isn't necessarily the same thing. Anyway,
even if it was the point, attending a side lecture
or talk like this, no matter how interesting or
educational, is still voluntary. How many times
were you in class when a prof went off on some side
topic and someone asked, "will this be on the exam?"
Thus, few people attended something that may have
been quite interesting and educational. It wasn't
on the midterm.
\_ Of course it's voluntary. But let's face it,
you could, theoretically, learn all the crap you
get from a university from books. I don't know
about you, but the most valuable thing I got
out of Cal was the sum total of exposure to ideas
and people that I would not otherwise have had
access to. I think "will this be on the exam" is
one of the saddest questions imaginable. -John
\_ Of course it is. However Cal probably isn't
the best choice for people looking for a
classical liberal arts education. After the
various admissions and self filtering that
goes on to create a freshman class, plus
the environment once you get here there isn't
a lot of room for that sort of thing. Thus,
you get a high percentage of people who won't
attend what was probably an interesting, yet
entirely voluntary/no credit talk.
\_ Why not? I don't know about nowadays, but
course catalog when I attended (92-96, to
be honest) was jam packed with interesting,
esoteric stuff. I had a lot of amazing
profs _and_ good TAs, as well as contact
with some really funky, smart people who
enjoyed attending "interesting", voluntary
talks. Same university? -John
\_ You're either smart and cynical or just plain
dumb. It makes me glad I devoted time and effort
to fucking with your kind when they were my peers
in classes or students in classes I TAed. -dans
\_ Ok since you can't even figure out what "kind"
I am.... I'm just glad I was here today to
give you the opportunity to post how smart
you are and how you abused other people in
class. Whatever. I don't know what button
of yours I hit with my harmless reply to John,
but your response is... interesting.
\_ This isn't about smart or dumb. It's about
your assertion that the purpose of attending
university is to get a `higher education'
(whatever that means), a view that I hold
to be either cynical and shortsighted or
outright stupid. Individuals who approach
university classrooms with your attitude
water down the university experience for
everyone. Every time some selfish or
stupid twit asks ``Will this be on the
midterm,'' it takes away from class time
that could be spent *gasp* learning. Thus,
I view it as a duty to encourage others to
move away from a fundamentally parasitic and
harmful attitude toward the university
experience, if necessary, by beating it out
of them. Cheers. -dans
\_ Unfortunately you didn't do as well in
reading comp as you did in nastiness
and self righteousness. Go re-read and
try again.
\_ Unfortunately your composition skills,
appear grossly inferior to your
apparent selfishness and
defensiveness. In particular, your
capacity to clearly express your
views deserves as C+ at best. Back to
English 1A with you. It saddens me
that you think it is nasty when people
call attention to the, in this case
ugly, truth of your words. -dans
\_ *laugh* "I know you are but what
am I?" You're so funny.
\_ I'm someone who has the
conviction to sign my name and
stand behind my words. Who are
you? -dans
\_ I don't play that game. You
can deal with what I say,
who I am is not important.
If you can't deal, don't.
I don't care and didn't ask
you to throw your over
wrought spew on the thread
in the first place. You
chose to join a thread and
respond to an anonymous
person. No one forced you.
\_ Eh. -dans
\_ You say I don't understand
what you wrote. I say
you're backpedalling
because your words
express a cynical and
selfish attitude, and I
called you on it. We
can't both be right.
Personally, I throw my
hat in with the guy who
signs hist name, but I'm
biased. -dans
\_ You're an idiot. -gwb
\_ No, Mr. President,
what you meant to
say was ``Fuck
off'' -rbc
\_ I'll explain slowly for
you: I have no reason
to backpedal anything.
I'm somewhat anonymous,
this is only the motd,
\_ If it's ``only the
motd,'' why do you
care so much about
your anonymity? -dans
\_ Meow!
any intelligent person
who reads English can
understand what I said,
\_ I disagree with this
assertion. -dans
\_ MeOW!
I never took back a
single word of it, and
\_ I disagree with this
assertion. -dans
\_ meOW!
signing your name only
means you like seeing
your name in lights.
\_ If you believe this
ridiculous idea, it
directly contradicts
your statement that
``it's only the
motd.'' -dans
\_ mEOw!
I wouldn't take the
signed over the
unsigned. I would
actually read what
two people actually
said and decide from
that alone who was
correct and to what
degree. Their name
status carries no
weight. Again, you
\_ Your arguments in
this thread are,
imprecise, sloppily
worded, and, based
on some readings,
logically flawed.
You use the resulting
lack of clarity as an
excuse to justify
backpedalling, and
then assert that
``any intelligent
person who reads
English can
understand what
[you] said.''
\_ MeOw!
voluntarily responded
to an anon person. Why
bother if you
automatically dismiss
them on that basic
\_ [sic]
\_ MEOW!
alone?
\_ Heh. I *broke* the ASUC election system the first year it
was computerized. As in I produced a demonstrably working
exploit. I then took my findings to the elections chair and
worked with him to secure against my exploit and other
avenues of attack. I spoke about this at DefCon and
Computers Freedom and Privacy in 2004. The following year
the election technical lead didn't test the old code until
the eve of the elections, and I led the team that wrote a
superior replacement in under 8 hours. If you include time
to recruit the team members, it took approx. 12 hours from
start to rollout. Last I checked, this code was still in
use, albeit with some modifications by OCF members. If folks
\_ Oh shit. --team member
would like, I'd be happy to do a talk on this. If you time
it at the beginning of the ASUC election campaign season and
flyer on south side, it would probably be a great way to
bring in more members that don't have traditional computing
backgrounds. If current CSUA members want to see this
happen, email me. -dans
\_ I probably would have attended. I think what you need to do
is get people excited somehow, and then make sure that the
talk delivers (see, for example, the series of talks by
Brewer, Karp, etc, last year). The CSUA needs positive buzz.
In my mind this means more than flyering - it means people
going into classes and being _enthusiastic_ about what they
are selling. Does current pburo have the mental energy to
pull this off? Not meant as offensive. Also, as alumni,
I could be wrong, full of shit, or both.
-jhs |
| 2006/2/15-16 [Recreation/Computer/Games, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:41876 Activity:nil |
2/15 Seeing that the "What are your favorite old school computer games?"
troll yields a lot more responses than the "What did you give/get
for Valentine's Day?" troll really tells you a lot about sodans. |
| 2006/2/8-10 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:41765 Activity:moderate |
2/8 linxu, what is it you guys want from us alumni? Many of us are
old, disillusioned, lonely, pathetic, and pissed off engineers.
Many of us are single, still virgin, and almost 40 years of
age! I'm not so sure that hooking up old and pissed off alumni
with you happy and optimistic youngin' is actually a good thing
for you guys. Seriously, don't do engineering and GET A LIFE outside
of Soda! Screw coding, debugging, and sysadm. It's all meaningless
and dry, and will get outsourced to India and China anyways. How
about ditching your new technical mentoring program and instead
concentrate on things that'll make your life to be more
fulfilling when you're older. For example get someone from Cal
MBA to do tech entrepreneurial talk, or get hooked up with the
busadm people, like doing a CSUA+MBA+busadm event. Seriously, there
are so many fine opportunities and fine women outside of Soda.
You deserve to have a better life than many of us uninformed
alumni when we were young and stupid and didn't know what we
were doing. -disillusioned virgin, should have done something else
\_ I think its much more for those alumni who would be interested in
meeting the current politburo and office hosers. I know a few
graduated alumns who I think would come and would be nice to see
again. This is not necessarily a networking to get current students
jobs or ellicit donations, but just to involve the alumni with the
club more. When I'm an alum I'd like to go to something occasion-
ally to see how the club is currently functioning. This is very
much geared to friendly alumns, so if you are just angry and bitter
(and don't want to at least act friendly) you probably want to stay
home. -mrauser
\_ maybe you should move to an asian country where your poor
english skills will be less of a barrier to finding eligible
women.
\_ speak for yourself. I could have learned a lot from alumni
when I was in school if I hadn't been too busy playing on MUDs
chasing after women--things I had to learn myself after I
graduated and had to figure out what I wanted to do with my life.
Good idea on the MBA entrepreneurial talk, though. That could be
pretty useful.
\_ But would you have really listened to the bitter old men or
dismiss them as, well, old and bitter virgins?
\_ Well, I've found the "bitter old virgin" stereotype to be
mostly untrue -- except in a few cases where it's more a
problem of attitude than geek culture. And yes, I'd have
listened to Soda's elder statesmen for general advice about
"what happens next", and I'd have looked out for the
opportunity to network with people in industry. Maybe you
should get some counseling or something, man, since you seem
really unhappy and have a pretty self-defeating attitude...
unless you're happy being a old bitter virgin.
unless you're happy being an old bitter virgin.
\_ Nah, I was an arrogant kid in college and didn't listen
to any "elder statesmen" who might have showed up (and
few did). Lots of others were the same. It makes me wonder
if having an alumni meeting is worth it.
\_ The purpose of an alumni meeting is for alumni to meet
college girls. Maybe you're too old already though.
\_ Hey nineteen, that's Aretha Franklin. She don't
remember the Queen of Soul.
\_ Assuming you're the op, so you were an arrogant in
college and now you're a bitter old virgin. Perhaps
it's time for a change in strategy? In the mean time,
please don't be a bitter dour naysayer of good ideas
just because you wouldn't have benefited from them back
when you were a young ass. -dans
\_ Sorry, !op. The op is obviously trolling. I am
expressing the fact that in college, the last
thing I wanted to hear is old farts talking about
their glorious college days. If it's going talking
about the stuff they are doing now, that's better.
\_ Then why didn't you say that an alumni meeting
where they talk about what they are doing now >>
alumni reminiscing about college instead of
merely expressing vague, bitter, dour, naysayer
misgivings? Seriously though, thanks for the
clarification, I think it's important. -dans
\_ No agenda mentioned. Assumed it was going
bitter, old virgins showing complaining about
the motd and their ideas of improving {unix,
nethack,BSG} all of which include more full
frontal MOTAS nudity.
to whatever "elder statesmen" who might have showed up
(and none did). Lots of others were the same. It makes
me wonder if having an alumni meeting worth it.
\_ That's funny. All the CSUA allumni I
\_ That's funny. All the CSUA alumni I
know personally are a lot of fun,
including the above dans. I wanted to
go just because it would be fun.-jrleek
\_ I like feeding the myth. And I troll too.
\_ Speak for yourself. I'm a happy, married, going-on-30-year-old
engineer. I've liked every job I've had and can't imagine doing
anything else. I got my first few jobs because of all of the time
I spent fiddling on the computer instead of { studying, having a
life, going outside, etc } while in school.
\_ Speak for yourself, I'm a happy mid-twentiesomthing alum. I'm
totally into the latest of a string of hot girlfriends that began
\_ pixP
\_ #t
Stop being anal about this, P-guy. ___P _/
was first popularized with foodP, which if
people had really only responded with #t and nothing else
wouldn't have been a very useful thing. It just means
____? these days, deal with it.
\_ I date hot girls
because I like them,
not so I can parade
them around like some
sort of trophy for you
to ogle. -pp
\_ ___P and #t are also mismatched conventions.
\_ ___P ==> ___predicate...ie, boolean. You know...#t/#f.
\_ I'm referring to mixing LISP vs. Scheme conventions.
\_ Okay, this is where we tell the joke about there being
10 kinds of people in the world, those who can count in
binary and those who can't, thereby officially
consigning this argument to the nerd humor graveyard
after killing it, digging it up, and killing the zombie
corpse again. -dans
\_ Speaking of zombies, I thought Cemetary Man kind
of rocked. That was a great film. I've never
been as impressed with the Romero Quartet, though.
*shrug*
\_ I'll have to check that out. Thanks. -dans
\_ analP
\_ correctP
back in my undergrad days. As an undergrad I spent lots of time
geeking out, learned a lot, but still made time for a social life
(not necessarily out of Soda, but a social life nonetheless). The
time spent geeking out definitely led to the jobs I've held. I
left my most recent gig in November, took a few months off, and am
excited about the prospects for what's next.
\_ what about happy old virgins?
\_ Ah reminds me of the good old days where CS8 (Pascal) was a
Business Admin requirement (logic, you know) and, as a reader or
lab aide, the access to cute women was easy...
\_ To the lonely 40 year-old virgin sodan, if you are truly
depressed, and want to do something about your life before
it is too late (or before your sperm all dries up), move
out of Silicon Valley, seriously! If I am in your
situation, I would seriously consider working in another
country (especially Asian country such as China) for a few
years instead of rotting in the Silicon Valley waiting for
something to happen. You don't have to work I the tech
field, teach English, or be a fool and appear in their TV
shows! Apply for graduate school there. If you work there
for a few years you'll get to know the girl better so you
have more to base your decision on. It's an equal playing
field. It'll be the opposite of Silicon Valley for you. You
get to say "sorry, I am flattered, but I am not
interested!". Or you can continue to bitch and moan about
being a virgin on soda.
\_ That's only if you want to date Asian women, NTTAWWT. I
guess it might work also in Latin America, in which case
you are an f-ing genius. |
| 2006/2/7-9 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:41755 Activity:moderate |
2/7 Dear Alumni, the current politburo is thinking about having an alumni
event. We were thinking of having an event here in Berkeley in a couple
of months (perhaps near the end of the semester). Here are some options
we would like you guys to vote on:
* Resturant or Soda-BBQ
* Weekend Evening or Weekday Evening?
* How far in advance?
Thanks all
-lin / CSUA Alumni relations
\_ ack, this is too much pressure! What is it you want from
us alumni? Money? Attention? Job? Companion? Love? Well
we can't offer the last one but I can give you an advice.
If you don't have a mate and graduating soon, GET ONE.
Real life in Silicon Valley is lonely and depressing and
unfulfilling. You spend weekdays and weeknights with other lonely
geeks like yourself, debugging someone else's code 24x7.
I guess this is alright if you're gay. But if you're not,
understand that most of the women in Silicon Valley are
married, and those that aren't are either old, ugly, or both,
and still in high demand. Get mate while you're still in college
or forever be doomed to bitching on motd as your only source of
sexual relief -pathetic alum, really miss college
\_ Actually I really miss multi-day hack sessions, sexual
\_ Actually I really miss multiple day hack sessions, sexual
frustration, and lonely geekdom.
\_ I agree, if I hadn't gotten married right out of college, I
don't know how I would've met anyone around here. -happy mar.
\_ I met a sexy young caucasian girl who works for a pharmie as a
s/w engineer who is single. So it can happen.
\_ Are you serious? It is my impression that most of the sodans
have Asian fetish. You are not a real Sodan.
\_ Err, most != all
\_ I won't speak for all alums, but I imagine weeknights are
bad for everyone what with work/wife/kids. They are probably
also bad for students what with school and/or work. Make it
a Friday or Saturday.
\_ Soda-BBQ seems much better in terms of miixing and such.
\_ Soda-BBQ works better for me. Make is on the weekend before
a Cal game and I will show up for sure! -ausman
\_ Soda-BBQ + weekend for me. --dbushong
\_ Soda-BBQ + weekend works for me. -dans
\_ P.S. Two weeks lead time would be great. My February is
already completely booked.
\_ Soda-BBQ + weekend is the most likely for me. It would be fun
to meet some of the people that I've been ridiculing on MOTD for
years so I can ridicule them in person. You going to be there
John?...I could sure use a good yodel to perk me up. -mice
\_ Olay deedle fucking dee. -John
\_ Soda-BBQ + weekend for me, too.
You know, back in my day, we didn't have BBQ's. Or sodas. Or
weekends. We had treebark. And we liked it. We loved it.
-geordan
\_ *pshaw* In my day, we didn't even have trees. We just had
roots. When we got hungry we had to gnaw on the bare,
uncooked roots in the sun (since we didn't have trees for shade).
Kids these days.... -mice
\_ I needed a new heel for my shoe, so I decided to go to
Morganville, which is what they called Shelbyville in those
days. So I tied an onion to my belt, which was the style at
the time. Now, to take the ferry cost a nickel, and in
those days, nickels had pictures of bumblebees on
'em. 'Give me five bees for a quarter,' you'd say. Now
where were we? Oh yeah - the important thing was I had an
onion on my belt, which was the style at the time. They
didn't have white onions because of the war. The only thing
you could get was those big yellow ones... |
| 2006/2/6-7 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:41723 Activity:kinda low |
2/6 I missed the Superbowl completely. Where can I find archive of all
commericals, perferably in anything other than Flash format so I can
archive it locally? TIA
\_ my gf was looking at it last night. it was probably http://ifilm.com.
\_ anyone knows how to capture them from iFilm? the rstp URL is
very painful to find.
\_ http://video.google.com/superbowl.html
\_ flash :(
\_ http://nfl.com has them, realplayer format
\_ thanks. capturing them now may be convert it to AVI
\_ You didn't miss much. Mike Jagger didn't have a wardrobe
mulfunction. Darn!
\_ You didn't miss much. Mick Jagger didn't have a wardrobe
malfunction. Darn!
\_ WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH USING ARTICLES? -John
\_ easy. Articles in English is very very hard. Don't you think
the fact that I managed to go through high school / Berkeley
with such disfunc English skill reflect the true state of our
public school system?
\_ No, I think it reflect the true state of the you're a lazy
moron and teh poor troll. I certainly hope you're not
seriously this linguistically defective, because if you are
not motivated enough or capable of, god forbid, making the
slightest fucking effort to form complete sentences with the
benefit of a Berkeley education, you should have a sentence
diagram shoved up your ass. -John
moron and teh poor troll. Don't make me whoopass you with
a sentence diagram. -John
\_ Woot! Sentence diagram! Yes!
\_ Good grief, those were pathetic. I can't believe they paid that
much to show that drivel. :P |
| 2006/2/6-7 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll, Computer/SW] UID:41715 Activity:high |
2/6 Not new, but scary anyway:
http://images.google.com/images?q=tiananmen vs.
http://images.google.cn/images?q=tiananmen
Cue ChiCom Troll. -John
\_ too bad google doesn't have any thing interesting when I searched
"Bonus Army."
\_ do not troll the chicom troll. the chicom troll is not against
valid and constructive criticism of the Great and Mighty Middle
Kingdom. - chicom troll
\_ I knew chicom troll, and you sir are no chicom troll. -John
\_ shutup! I am the chicom troll! who is the one who
first used the term on the motd?!
\_ Right here, yo. -John
\_ Whoa, really? So you're part of the motd cultural
legacy? As my french foriegn exchange student exroommate
Nathalie used to say: "Wouww!" May I touch you? -mice
\_ Exactly. And you used it on what I wrote. So
I am the official Chicom Troll.
I am the official Chicom Troll. Now STFU!
\_ Exactly. And you used it on what I wrote, when you
lost the argument and got red faced.
\_ No, I used it on what you wrote when you were a
fucking moron. Fortune cookie says: "close, but
\_ No, I used it on what you wrote when you were an
utter moron. Fortune cookie says: "close, but
no Yichang cigar". And yes, your ex-roommate may
touch me. -John
\_ Cigars? You have expensive tastes. I prefer
cheap Panda brand cigarettes. As for my ex-
roommate, I doubt he would be interested,
unless he is drunk, and you dress up as a
fat swiss milk wench and start yodeling.
\_ I'm dressed up as a fat swiss milk wench
right now, yodeling this post at my PC. And
I meant mice's former roommate, so yours is
SOL, sorry. -John
\_ Oh John, you tease! You're so cruel! -mice
\_ Near the bottom of the .cn page it reads something like "In
accordance with local laws, rules and policies, some search results
are not displayed." |
| 2006/1/26 [Science/GlobalWarming, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:41545 Activity:moderate 69%like:41535 |
1/25 [Why is Furious censored? Restored, at the top no less. And you
should really learn to delete better. You're wiping out whole
chunks of unrelated posts along with this. The odd thing is, the
more you censor, the more this gets restored at the top, thus ensuring
it will stick around longer.]
Furious MOTD guy here again.
I only masturbated 3 times today. Oh wait I forgot
about #4, in the CEO's office after he went home.
I came home and looked at link:tinyurl.com/apac2
\_ It's gonna suck when you're 38 and you're balls are all worn out.
\_ your
\_ Is that possible? They seem to be working pretty well!
\_ Actually, balls are a "if you don't use it you lose it thing",
not a "you'll wear it out" thing.
\_ I think you should get together with chicom troll and motd boob
guy and have a debate.
\_ Why would I want to have a debate with him? OTOH I enjoy his
URLs. -- motd boob guy
\_ You guys could discuss masturbation technique, and whether it
is better to masturbate to pictures of western or superior
chinese breeding.
\_ Seriously, don't you sort of... ache after a while? I call
BS on the CEO thing though.
\_ gee, you're perceptive. -tom
\_ I was working late and he left early.
\_ Why would you want to masturbate in a guy's office? I once
masturbated outside my busty petite HR's office late night,
shot my load on the door handle and let it dry up. The next
day she came to work and opened the door with her bare hand.
\_ Same reason ass pennies exist.
\_ Nice! A slimmer tummy would be even better.
\_ Why Furious Masturbator will inherit the earth. 'In bat species
noted for female monogamy, males have small testes and big brains;
in bat species noted for female promiscuity, males have testicles
five times as big, but with smaller brains. Testes in one species
are 8.5 percent of the male's body weight. Reason for big testicles:
If a female is taking sperm from you and another guy, the best way
to pass on your genes instead of his is to deliver more sperm. (This
is why chimps have testicles "many times larger than those of
gorillas.") Reason for small brains: Male bats that spent their
energy making sperm beat out the ones that spent their energy
thinking. Researchers' conclusion: "Size does matter."'
http://www.slate.com/id/2134651
BTW, testes 8.5% of body weight are some pretty big and dense balls.
\_ 17lb balls on a 200lb guy. |
| 2006/1/26 [Science/GlobalWarming, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:41535 Activity:high 69%like:41545 |
1/25 [Why is Furious censored? Restored, at the top no less.]
Furious MOTD guy here again.
I only masturbated 3 times today. Oh wait I forgot
about #4, in the CEO's office after he went home.
I came home and looked at link:tinyurl.com/apac2
\_ It's gonna suck when you're 38 and you're balls are all worn out.
\_ Is that possible? They seem to be working pretty well!
\_ I think you should get together with chicom troll and motd boob
guy and have a debate.
\_ Why would I want to have a debate with him? OTOH I enjoy his
URLs. -- motd boob guy
\_ You guys could discuss masturbation technique, and whether it
is better to masturbate to pictures of western or superior
chinese breeding.
\_ Seriously, don't you sort of... ache after a while? I call
BS on the CEO thing though.
\_ gee, you're perceptive. -tom
\_ I was working late and he left early.
\_ Why would you want to masturbate in a guy's office? I once
masturbated outside my busty petite HR's office late night,
shot my load on the door handle and let it dry up. The next
day she came to work and opened the door with her bare hand.
\_ Same reason ass pennies exist.
\_ Nice! A slimmer tummy would be even better.
\_ Why Furious Masturbator will inherit the earth. 'In bat species
noted for female monogamy, males have small testes and big brains;
in bat species noted for female promiscuity, males have testicles
five times as big, but with smaller brains. Testes in one species
are 8.5 percent of the male's body weight. Reason for big testicles:
If a female is taking sperm from you and another guy, the best way
to pass on your genes instead of his is to deliver more sperm. (This
is why chimps have testicles "many times larger than those of
gorillas.") Reason for small brains: Male bats that spent their
energy making sperm beat out the ones that spent their energy
thinking. Researchers' conclusion: "Size does matter."'
http://www.slate.com/id/2134651
BTW, testes 8.5% of body weight are some pretty big and dense balls. |
| 2005/12/13-15 [Reference/RealEstate, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:40987 Activity:nil |
12/13 Ya'll are boring. Enough with the housing talk. Where's the juicy
topics? And I don't mean political flames...
\_ Be patient my little cricket. One of the politburo
newbies like amckee will do something stupid and comical.
\_ my GF insists on getting brazillians even though I'm not that
into it. what should i do |
| 2005/11/23-28 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:40710 Activity:low |
11/23 I haven't been on campus in years. Who's the best group to go through
to arrange and advertise an Infosession for a tech company? Thanks. -steve
\_ After the newbie amckee/mrauser/brett debacles, I'd avoid csua.
Both HKN and UCSEE are well known since the early 90s and have
good reputations with industries. My company sends someone to
UCSEE every year. The whole point of the existence of CSUA in
the early days was that HKN and UCSEE already did serious
mentoring and support programs. CSUA filled in the role of
making CS more fun. The fact that new politburo members are
trying to be more serious and less fun is a sign that these
\_ The main problem was amckee's psychological problems
\_ The main problem was Amckee's psychological problems
and the rest of the poliburo being too weak to to
much about it ("oh please dont resign amckee!").
much about it ("Oh please dont resign Amckee!").
Beyond the psychological complex problem, there
was a lack of political savvy and socialization
("the csua is not a democracy". "we can censor anybody
("The csua is not a democracy". "We can censor anybody
at will.") but those would have been solvable problems
if not for the "brain damage" at the top. the problem
if not for the "brain damage" at the top. The problem
was not their desire to have serious programs like
lectures and employeer liaision activities. that
is laudible.
lectures and employeer liaision activities. That
is laudible. It's how seriously Amckee takes himself
which is laughable.
incompetent gen-Y kids just don't get it. And yes my company's
been interviewing people for jobs and I'm a big opponent of
hiring gen-Y kids. Spread the word. Just say no to Y. -gen-X
\_ What about the Career Center?
\_ What about the Career Center? I remember the COE and L&S CS
together have their own Career Center which is separate from the
rest of the University. |
| 2005/10/28-29 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:40304 Activity:nil |
10/27 Dear miserable soda undergrads and the incompetent and stupid
politburo members who are out of touch with the real world, you
guys seriously need a life.
http://secondlife.com/whatis
\_ "Millions of Linden Dollars change hands every month for the goods
and services Residents create and provide. This currency may then be
bought and sold on third party sites for real currency. Many of
these sites even offer in-world "ATM" machines to facilitate
transactions." Isn't that illegal in the U.S.?
\_ not as long as you pay your income taxes |
| 2005/10/26-27 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:40277 Activity:moderate 76%like:40271 |
10/25 To Politburo:
The next time you decide to limit or modify a feature available to
many CSUA users, can you please please please consult motd or a
well-populated mailing list first, you know, just to get the popular
opinion? Thanks. -soda user
\_ Politburo voted to *ask* kchang to turn off the attribution
in KAIS MOTD, and specifically said that they weren't going
to sorry him or anything if he refused. Read Brett's message
carefully: the first paragraph is from politburo, the second
is the opinion of one random person on root, and the third is
from Brett personally.
\_ Nice revisionist history. Politburo and root staff as bodies
asked kchang to turn off attribution. One staff member (turns
out to be Jon) said adding a disclaimer would be sufficient.
(BTW, in my universe, the word of one root staff member is
worth much less the the combined opinion of the politburo and
the root staff. Perhaps it is different in your universe.)
There was a threat of account shut down if kchang does not reply
(not clear who the source of the threat is). And then there
was a threat from Brett that kchang may violate the not-a-hoser
rule. It is only in a *later* email that the hoser threat was
removed in a "clarification".
\_ even if I was the "*one*" root person who said this, I
am of the general impression that others on root felt that
it was a reasonable approach to take. --Jon
\_ Well, you and others on root may have felt that. However,
I don't know that from reading the email kchang posted.
In that email, it seems quite clear that it was the
request of both the politburo and the root staff (as a
body) that the attribution function be turned off. Does
kchang have a good enough pulse on the mood of root staff
to be able to infer that that position is not final,
to be able to infer that that request is not final,
despite the letter of the email? Where is Carmac when
you need him?
\_ It sounds like we agree. Politburo voted to make a non-
threatening request. Brett sent out a threatening request,
misleadingly presenting jon's and his own opinions (which
I agree are worth a lot less than a politburo decision)
as official. Politburo is to blame for lots of things,
but I don't think this is one of them. -pp
\_ no name, no weight. Your post will be ignored.
\_ Would you plese show me where in
http://csua.com says that
the politburo "specifically said that they weren't
going to sorry him or anything if he refused" per your
original claim?
\_ BTW, the time line isn't clear. It is clear that Brett
threatened kchang with hoserfication. It is also clear that
the hoserfication threat was later removed in a clarification.
When did the politburo had the finding that kchang was not being
a hoser? Was it before Brett's threat, and therefore Brett
had no grounds for his threat? Was it after the threat, so
Brett thought he could legitimately threaten? Is misrepresenting
the opinion of the politburo in an official communication a
sorryable offense?
\_ As amckee explained it, "[the CSUA] is not a democracy. We're
[the Politburo] democratically elected, but once in office we have
near complete authority to implement the policies we see fit.
Think communist russia, not democratic greece." They are under
no obligation to consider alternative points of view, and apparently
they have no inclination to do so in any case.
\- ObStarttheOutOfContextTimer
\_ Time for another soda alias, keystone-kop@soda: amckee
\_ Wouldn't that be kritical-keystone-kasset?
\_ I nominate IWillBlackListYou for greatest troll
of all time.
\_ I dunno, it's got pretty stiff competition: GUN DUEL
anyone?
\_ Yeah--that one worked perfectly. -John
\_ That was brilliant. Did the perpetrator (who
should be proud of their handiwork, I think)
ever come forward? -- ulysses
\_ It was Mark Felt. -John
\_ It was I.
\_ So besides being ticked off by the tone of the email, what is
kchang's reason for not putting up the disclaimer and saving all
of us eyestrain from reading an evergrowing motd?
\_ kchang is under no obligation to provide the MOTD threading
service. He did it as a favor, and I assume he no longer feels
a desire to do favors for the current regime.
\_ We need a regime change. The current administration is as
compentent and likeable as the Bush administration.
Oh and if you ever find out who I am, please don't
squish me. -scared poster
\_ The current regime has not invaded any other campus
groups unilaterally for no reason afaik.
\_ I predict that if they did that, alumni support
would increase, not decrease.
\_ Maybe politburo should start drafting these things as a
committe instead of delegating people to do it. You guys keep
putting your collective foot in your mouth. -jrleek
\_ Come back to the five and dime, Kevin Chang, Kevin Chang.... |
| 2005/10/26 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:40271 Activity:high 76%like:40277 |
10/25 To Politburo:
The next time you decide to limit or modify a CSUA-wide feature, can
\_ It wasn't a CSUA-wide
feature. It was a
www-wide feature.
-emarkp
\_ You are splitting
hairs.
you please please please consult motd or a well-populated mailing
list first, you know, just to get the popular opinion? Thanks.
-soda user
\_ Politburo voted to *ask* kchang to turn off the attribution
in KAIS MOTD, and specifically said that they weren't going
to sorry him or anything if he refused. Read Brett's message
carefully: the first paragraph is from politburo, the second
is the opinion of one random person on root, and the third is
from Brett personally.
\_ Nice revisionist history. Politburo and root staff as bodies
asked kchang to turn off attribution. One staff member (turns
out to be Jon) said adding a disclaimer would be sufficient.
(BTW, in my universe, the word of one root staff member is
worth much less the the combined opinion of the politburo and
the root staff. Perhaps it is different in your universe.)
There was a threat of account shut down if kchang does not reply
(not clear who the source of the threat is). And then there
was a threat from Brett that kchang may violate the not-a-hoser
rule. It is only in a *later* email that the hoser threat was
removed in a "clarification".
\_ BTW, the time line isn't clear. It is clear that Brett
threatened kchang with hoserfication. It is also clear that
the hoserfication threat was later removed in a clarification.
When did the politburo had the finding that kchang was not being
a hoser? Was it before Brett's threat, and therefore Brett
had no grounds for his threat? Was it after the threat, so
Brett thought he could legitimately threaten? Is misrepresenting
the opinion of the politburo in an official communication a
sorryable offense?
\_ As amckee explained it, "[the CSUA] is not a democracy. We're
[the Politburo] democratically elected, but once in office we have
near complete authority to implement the policies we see fit.
Think communist russia, not democratic greece." They are under
no obligation to consider alternative points of view, and apparently
they have no inclination to do so in any case.
\- ObStarttheOutOfContextTimer
\_ Time for another soda alias, keystone-kop@soda: amckee
\_ Wouldn't that be kritical-keystone-kasset?
\_ I nominate IWillBlackListYou for greatest troll
of all time.
\_ I dunno, it's got pretty stiff competition: GUN DUEL
anyone?
\_ Yeah--that one worked perfectly. -John
\_ So besides being ticked off by the tone of the email, what is
kchang's reason for not putting up the disclaimer and saving all
of us eyestrain from reading an evergrowing motd?
\_ kchang is under no obligation to provide the MOTD threading
service. He did it as a favor, and I assume he no longer feels
a desire to do favors for the current regime.
\_ Maybe politburo should start drafting these things as a
committe instead of delegating people to do it. You guys keep
putting your collective foot in your mouth. -jrleek
\_ Come back to the five and dime, Kevin Chang, Kevin Chang.... |
| 2005/10/25-27 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:40262 Activity:low |
10/25 Did amckee ever apologize to anyone? Is he squished yet?
\_ Read the minutes sometime.
\_ From the minutes, amckee did not apologize.
He resigned. But, according to the minutes, he was persuaded by
those at the meeting to un-resign.
Personally I still think an apology is in order, but whatever.
\_ He was also removed from root, and didn't ask to be reinstated.
\_ I'm sorry you're ugly.
\_ Did amckee explain why he decided to resign? That's not in
the minutes either. Since most CSUA members do not read motd,
they have to reply on the minutes for an explanation of what
they have to rely on the minutes for an explanation of what
happened.
\_ Irritating alumni can make kitchen hot.
\_ Do not meddle in the affairs of alumni, for they are
subtle and quick to anger?
\_ Half right.
\_ He should apologize to the people he sorried or
threatened to sorry. How many people is that?
\_ I never intended to sorry that user, Partha S.
Banerjee
\- who is the "I" here? --psb
\_ It's like the CSUA's own Watergate. An Enemies
List, the Saturday Night Massacre, the missing
email from the psb-politburo exchange, the
Vice-Presidential Pardon, and a tainted
Imperial Presidency and Cabinet.
\_ Why can't it be more like Monicagate, at
least that involved a blowjob.
\_ No, Watergate was serious. This is just,
in the words of a great wise man whose name
is lost to the sands of time,
"U S0 == TeH GHEI, D0)D." -John
\_ Obviously it's not a "national nightmare"
of Watergate proportions and perhaps
appropriately it ends [although I suppose
"end" may be premature] with humiliation
rather than a convinction, but there is
a "civics lecture" aspect to this, sort
of like there is to the other sorry saga
of Harriet Miers. Maybe Bushco will
suggest character assassinating her is
of HARRIET THE JUDGE. Maybe BUSHCO will
suggest CHARACTER ASSASSINATING her is
like attacking the govt and is akin to
terrorism. (re: humiliation ... I assume
amckee resigned out of a sense of
TERRORISM. (re: humiliation ... I assume
mr. amckee resigned out of a sense of
shame, rather than needing to spend more
time with say Arabian Horses. my apologies
if he was really resigned for other
personal reasons such as illness.)
time with say Arabian Horses. my
apologies if he was really resigned for
other personal reasons such as illness.)
\_ The only lesson in this is about
stupid people and small-organization
politics. -John
of HARRIET THE JUDGE. Maybe BUSHCO will
suggest CHARACTER ASSASSINATING her is
like attacking the LEAST DANGEROUS
BRANCH of the govt and is akin to
TERRORISM.
personal reasons such as illness.) --psb |
| 2005/10/17-19 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll, Computer/SW] UID:40135 Activity:low |
10/16 Poll for those who purchase home(s), poor students need not respond:
the housing boom has been:
An American Dream Come True:
An American Dream Broken:
\_ Yermom is so fat, when she sits around the house, she sits AROUND
the house!
\_ This is your first and last warning. If I continue to see
character assasinations against any mom of any member of the
CSUA, myself included, I will sorry your account. If I
continue to see defamation against mymom, I will file for a
restraining order against you that bars you from your behavior.
No friends that you think you have with moms will be able to
help you. If you wish to debate the virtues of mymom or yermom,
do so as an adult. - !amckee
\- there is a clear precedent in english common LAW that states
that all citizens shall have the right to post YERMOM jokes
to the motd [long excerpt from english common law]. your
censorship is much like NAZI persecution of JEWS, and can
be summed up by the following obscure latin phrase: [obscure
latin PHRASE]
\- dont make the pburo MANDAMUS your ass. |
| 2005/10/16-19 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:40127 Activity:moderate |
10/16 Dear danh, geordan, psb, peterl, tse, lafe, mice, john, and many
others who have been posting on motd. I'd suggest you guys stop
publicly criticizing amckee because he has no problem squishing
all of you. I'd take his threat seriously as he already squished
someone who threatened to blacklist him at HRs and headhunters
throughout Silicon Valley. I for one will stop saying anything
bad on motd because I value my soda account. -fearful alumus
\_ Troll troll troll your boat -John
\_ funny, these are among the members who have consistently
provided the most support when I've ran into horrible technical
problems during the course of my work and have turned to the
motd or wall for help. -sax
\- I have a feeling Mr. Tse will be unavailable when the pburo
is looking for HSPICE help or hotel recommendations on the
Cote d'Azur. :-) --psb
\_ 1 for 2. No Cote d'Azur for me. Even you should remember
my dislike of the French. My advice is to go to Valencia,
Hotel Ad Hoc Monumental. I can answer most questions spice
and verilog related though. -tse
\_ I've evolved beyond spice and cote d'azur. - tse
\_ You remind me of the grad students who accuse the grad student
union people of "intimidation" because they're annoying, and claim
that grad students live in fear of "union intimidation tactics".
"Union intimidation tactics" means coming by your lab and trying to
get you to go drink coffee and hear about their union. You only
have to tell them to fuck off and threaten to call the cops on them
once, and they *never* come back, and mark your entire department
as "anti union", avoiding that whole section of the building.
Just as blathering about a union is not "intimidation", threatening
to turn off an email account is not a serious threat.
Have you also started to self-censor what books you check out from
the library because the feds might come after you?
\_ Heh, thanks for looking out for me, man. -mice
\_ I think you need to relax. Nobody is going to get squished
for their motd post without a politburo vote. -mbh, vp
\_ Didn't amckee sorry Brett (and then had to unsorry him when it
turns out Brett was the wrong guy)? Did amckee manage to sorry
the right guy eventually?
\_ It is rather amusing that after politburo members
pedantically promise to be fair and impartial after
they possibly implement motd logging, and after
politburo members write, at length, about how reasonable
and wise they are... one of them goes off the handle
and sorries someone for strange reasons. I guess
sorrying someone is a lot easier than emailing someone.
Anyway I don't have much of anything useful to add,
please don't destroy the CSUA, it's been nice knowing
many of you. - danh
\_ Yes, that was a mistake and amckee has acknowledged it.
That kind of impulsive sorrying is not the regular course
of action. -mbh
\_ What CSUA policy has the person posting about the
"blacklist" violated?
\_ None, it was just a troll -mbh
\- just for clarification: is the mbh position
"the user who posted the blacklist post should
not have been sorried because he was just
'trolling'". while the acmkee position is
he should have been sorried, but because we
do not know who it is we cannot do so, but if
we do discover who it is, then we will sorry
the user? i inquire because there are a lot of
thoughts attributed to "the politburo" and it
seems like they are not of one mind here. --psb
\_ I apologize I should be more clear when speaking
on behalf of the CSUA. psb you stated my opinion
clearly. That post should have read "my position
would be to ignore it". -mbh
\_ Is there an established CSUA process to sorry someone?
Is there an established CSUA policy to punish root staff
who arbitrarily sorries someone without following
the established process? Is there a plan to follow
the established policies and punishments in this case?
\_ I read through the CSUA constitution and
/csua/adm/doc/policies, and it appears that the rules
are VERY non-specific, probably intentionally. Now,
if you wanted a heavyweight approach to policies ...
\_ It seems to be up to the discretion of the
politburo. I am guessing nothing will be done.
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
\_ Whatever. I'll say whatever the hell I want. I've made backups
of my homedir here. Oh noes, amckee might flip out and wield
his AWESOME POWER and squish me. It's fine, learn 2 govern.
-geordan
\_ You go geordan! Go kick ass the same way you kicked Susan
Graham's ass in 164... or not. :)
\_ Savage Susan is still terrorizing undergrads in 164? Wow.
\_ You make a good point. I'm nowhere near as Powerful as
amckee. That's probably why I've never been christened as
a 'Critical Asset'. -geordan
\_ Stop it, your minority voice is gonna cause every single
alumni to be squished. There goes 30 years of tradition
\_ Yes, and amckee has acknowledged the mistake. And there is no
'right guy' either because the post was a troll.
and that kind of impulsive sorrying will not happen. -mbh
\_ I'm pretty sure I didn't actually post anything
about amckee. --peterl
\_ You don't have to actually post anything. amckee just has to
think you posted something. And the post doesn't necessarily
have to do with amckee; he just has to think it does. - tse
\_ Btw, I've told all the opera companies I've sung with not
to hire amckee. Yes, he has the voice of an angel, but
his diva 'tude and doesn't-play-nice-with-others issues
makes him impossible to work with. --not-scotsman
\_ that's right kid! you'll never work in Broadway again.
\_ Was amckee a Critical Opera Asset too? |
| 2005/10/16-18 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:40121 Activity:high |
10/16 C'mon people, stop threatening to not hire anyone, or sorrying
people.
\_ I agree, that was done in very poor taste. Amckee has put
a _lot_ of work into this organization and just because you
disagree with him is no justification for the threats. You
have also disproved the benefit that the alumni offer, this is
like counter-networking, not offering csua members jobs but
making sure that a csua member is not hired. You certainly should
be ashamed of yourself. -mrauser
\_ "Go go mrauser networking skills!"
\_ No one guarantees anyone a job. If there is an offer of help,
the offer has been to help when a fellow csua-er seems
competent and reasonable, or at least doesn't seem incompetent
and unreasonable. It's not about the decision to de-anonymize
motd; it's about amckee's response to criticism afterwards.
Looking dispassionately at his emails wth Partha and his posts
on motd, does he seem like a reasonable person to you? Does
he seem like someone you would want to work with?
Looking dispassionately at his emails and his posts on motd,
does he seem like a reasonable person to you? Does he seem like
someone you would want to work with?
\_ Much of the psb emails were taken out of context, he really
was being sort of a pain. He would retort to an argument
with a completely sarcastic comment that deserved no response.
That said, no matter how I feel about how amckee acts I would
never start a "blacklist" campaign. Thats obscene. YOU are
welcome to not hire him all you want but its truly not fair
to go out of your way to ensure that hes not hired anywhere
else. -mrauser
\_ Give the grownups a little credit. We're not all that
amazingly juvenile. -John
\_ do you really think sorrying someone over 'being
annoying in email to politburo/root' is valid?
you should read my mailspool, it would make
you cry. - danh
\_ No, I don't think that, nor do I believe I said that.
I thought I just said it isn't right to organize a
"blacklisting" movement. -mrauser
\_ I must be reading The Psb Files in a different
language than you. I think you threaten to
sorry psb for being annoying. Or maybe it's
someone else. I must admit I get the logins of
current politburo members confused. Also, you got
trolled pretty hard, it happens to most people
eventually.
\_ I think if you will look at emails that I sent
the word sorry does not appear in them at all
(although I'm not positive). Please aim your
flame more selectively. ;) -mrauser
\_ If it had been a flame, you would have noticed
real quick. -John
>To: amckee@berkeley.edu, psb@ucsee.eecs.berkeley.edu
>Subject: Re: Character attacks
>Cc: politburo@csua.berkeley.edu
>From: "Partha S. Banerjee,,," <psb@ucsee.eecs.berkeley.edu>
>Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 14:16:47 -0700
>>This is your first and last warning, Partha. If I continue to see character
>>assassinations against any member of the politburo, myself included, I will
>>sorry your account. If I continue to see defamation against my character, I
>>will file for a restraining order against you that bars you from your
>>behavior. No friends that you think you have on the 'inside' will be able
>>to help you. I have no tolerance for your bullshit and I am keeping a log
>>of the things you say which, so far, have been happily easy to attribute to
>>you. If you wish to debate an issue or represent a political idea, do so as
>>an adult. You're welcome to come to the next Politburo meeting and discuss
>>the concerns you have, but you will not be able to hide behind a computer
>>screen and cast your vitriol on our servers.
\_ It seems to me that a "blacklist" campaign based on a flame
war over a text file would have the main result of causing
people to think that Berkeley CS grads are raving lunatics.
\- look i am getting fed up with this "out of context"
comment. i have "released" essentially all the context.
at this point you have to claim people lack comprehensio$
at this point you have to claim people lack comprehension
or intelligence. because what they are NOT lacking are
the bits and the bytes. the only think i didnt make
public is mr. mckee last reply to me, because it seems
like in that case he sort of asked me not to make
it public. is "being a pain" and sarcasm in the
evergrowing lists of sorryable offenses? i shall now
enjoy my iftar chicken. --psb
\_ I only say out of context because not every email
was posted there (I'm almost certain I had 2-3 more
replies to you than the one I saw). And Some innane
comments you made were:
*While we respect your right to be a complete troll and to voice your
>
do you know what troll means?
just curious.
*there might be an 'easier' solution to them.
>
we might even call it "the final solution".
happy belated yom kippur.
There was also another one, but I don't want to
bother to find it in my emails. -mrauser
\_ Are you saying you *want* Partha to publish every
email that passed between him and members of the
Politburo concerning the motd policy change? And
that would satisfy in your mind the question
whether amckee was quoted out of context? Is
this an official Politburo position?
\_ Thankyou for scewing my words. I said that
it was out of context because not all the
emails were published, it was not a request
for him to publish them. I was the one who
originally told him I was fine with him
publishing them, but I would prefer he not,
just because it will create more and more
spam (of which I don't intend to reply) but
he is free to post any emails he wishes
(unless in that email amckee asked him to not
post it). -mr
\_ It seems somewhat disingenuous to on one
hand not to want psb to publish all the
hand to not allow psb to publish all the
emails and on the other hand castigate him
as "quoting out of context" for not
publishing all the emails.
\- The above quotes are (already) included at:
\- The above quotes are included at:
http://home.lbl.gov:8080/~psb/Articles/CSUA
The only psb-pburo email not included
there is one sent to me after the above
quote [and thus arguably not relevant to
assessing my state of mind and intentions
writing the above]. I certainly would
be happy to reciprocally trade your right
to "release" all of my email if I have the
same right with the pburo emails. The only
email not on the site above is this one:
From amckee@berkeley.edu Sat Oct 15 14:39:04
To: "Partha S. Banerjee
CC: politburo@csua.berkeley.edu
which ends with a post script saying he
did not give me persmission to share his
emails. which certainly was not my impression
and i leave it to the spectators to judge
that for themselves. i personally think it
was courteous for me to ask. i think i
should have unilateral right to share
email sent to me about me in his official
capacity as the csua president. So if
mr. mckee wants to "relese" me w.r.t. to
the last email, then we can truely say
the record is complete and people can make
their own decisions. --psb
\_ The decision I've made is that both psb
and amckee are idiots and should get
a life outside of motd. -neutral guy
\- i have a lot of free time during
ramadan. khudah hafiz. --psb
ramadan. --psb |
| 11/22 |