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| 2001/9/24 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:22604 Activity:insanely high |
9/23 Hey vthanh, kill your damn job!
\_ Poll (yes I realize 1 vote of politburo weighs more than 99 votes)
sqish: ..
\_ After viewing vthanh resume, I switch from no squish
\_ doesn't squishing depend on twink points or something
that tom used to keep track of? This seems like a
an offense that should recieve a *strong* warning not
a squish.
\_ After viewing vthanhs' resume, I switch from no squish
to squish: he's not nor ever has been a student at cal.
no squish: (99).
\_ mr. vthanh. the fucking pc you use to log on to soda probably
has more cpu power than soda. use IT for your stupid prime
numberiser.
\_ so i see, this machine should primarily be used for writing
to a world writeable file. Why again do we need a 800 Mhz
athlon for that?
\_ his bc job is using up most of the cpu and makes
interactive stuff on soda very slow. soda does plenty
of other things besides letting people edit the motd,
you fuck.
\_ soda is also the mail server. it handles lots of mail.
i guess it takes 800 Mhz to handle it all.
\_ don't forget its also the web server. it also takes
some amount of cpu power to support 100+ concurrent
logins of people running all sorts of interactive
programs.
\_ what sort of interactive programs are those?
\_ mostly tcsh, there are a lot of mudders on soda
who telnet elsewhere too. oh, and wall takes a lot
of cpu.
\_ yeah, it's really annoying how people try to
do math or do something that makes this machine
compute. Damn it, i like an idle machine! - alum
\_ emacs, pine, screen, irc, w3, w3m, lynx, etc
\_ I think the point is, if it's for school-work, he should use
a campus-machine; if it's for industry work, he should use a
work machine, etc.
\_ There is (and hopefully will be) no policy against using
CSUA resources for schoolwork. If you have forgotten
that the CSUA is a student organization meant to serve
a university campus, you're hereby reminded of
that. It is a different and orthogonal issue that
Mr. Nguyen may not have chosen the best venue for
running his job (even if it should turn out that it
was being done for academic purposes), and should have
consulted rootstaff beforehand to get pointed at a more
appropriate CSUA resource to use for this task. -alexf
\_ check out vthanh's resume, he's not a student at berkeley:
M.S. Applied Mathematics, CSU Hayward, March 2002
B.S. Computer Science & B.S. Mathematics, CSU Hayward, June 1998
\_ ok fine this is a gray area, maybe he is hosing soda
for classwork for grad school in hayward. he still
shouldn't hose soda for his giant bc is my driver's
license prime? jobs, he should use a different machine,
one other than the one 99.9999 percent of the CSUA uses,
it's rude and inconsiderate.
\_exscuse me ignorance but doesn't the ticketing
system only alot mr nguyen only a certain amount of
processing cycles per second to prevent any one
user from hogging the CPU?
\_ that's a previous version of soda, this is no
longer the case
\_ can we make it the case again?
\_ The lottery scheduling system wouldn't
make a difference for someone running only
one process. If he was running 5 jobs in
parallel it would make a difference. -tom
\_ what's he doing in a Berkeley student organization if he was
never a Berkeley student?
\_ Yeah, how did he get an account. I remember need my CAL
student id to get an account. - yet another alum
\_ From /csua/adm/doc/policies/processes:
As a courtesy to others, do not run programs that take
up too much CPU power for too long. Background processes
belonging to users who are not logged on will be killed
if they are taking inordinate amounts of processor time.
Am I the only one who remembers any of the CSUA's policies?
-geordan
\_ I'm guessing that the vast majority of csua'ers know the
policies and try not to break them.
\_ Why would his process eating up all the leftover CPU cycles
be a problem to others when he's running it with nice 20? I
think the real problem is that his process has a big working
set. Last I checked, RSS=24M and VSZ=73M. (BTW, I don't think
non-Cal-students/alumni should be given soda accounts. Maybe he
was once a student and then got kicked out and ended up in CSUH.
-- yuen
\_ nice 20 doesn't work like people think it does. |
| 2001/9/23 [Reference/BayArea, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:22597 Activity:high |
9/20 Berkeley, as seen from New York:
http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/opedcolumnists/2610.htm
\_ Very intellectual, balanced, and thoughtful. Have a look at this
week's Economist for some surprisingly reasonable articles. -John
\_ wow, this is SO much like watchmen. I mean, was the
NY Post what they based the "New Frontiersman" on? Anyone
else draw parallels to the recent events to the end of watchmen?
\_ what-evah. there are idiots everywhere. if some of berkeley's idiots
fall on the extreme opposite end of the political spectrum from the
idiots in most other areas, then so be it.
\_ I believe idiots in Cornell or Yale has banned students from
hanging flags from their dorm rooms. <insert ivory towers
comment here> Sometimes I feel ASHAMED of graduating from
Berkeley. I read the article and feel DISGUSTED about the
crap that goes on in that silly place. Where are the
patriots in Berkeley? Rise up and be heard!
\_ I'm in New Haven now, and there are flags all over all the
official Yale stuff, including the residential colleges
where the undergrads all live. If there is a specific
dorm room window ban, I'm sure it's some stupid fire
hazard thing, not political.
\_ All of it is accurate and correct.
\_ [contentless ad hominem blather purged]
\_ the whole thing was blown out of proportion. the nypost
sucks ass anyway, did you read their little tirade blaming
the bombing on the united nations?
\_ What was blown out of proportion exactly? It's all true,
accurate, correct, and precise.
\_ Barbara Lee is not a Communist. Neither is Ron Dellums.
Ron Dellums was chair of the House Armed Forces committe.
-ausman
\_ the world is collapsing, manhattan is about to generate
a giant sinkhole and all of lower manhattan could fall
into the hudson river, and they're concerned about
bfd not putting flags on their trucks? I'm looking
at the site and I see a column by John Gotti's daughter.
Here's a great factual 100 percent correct column
for you: http://www.nypost.com/commentary/32767.htm
\_ I hate to break it to you, but the New York Post is the paper that
New Yorkers who are too poor to subscribe to the New York Times
read. It's a pretty sensationalistic, entertainment-first, news
second kind of paper.
\_ It has nothing to do with wealth. The Post is _the_ paper for
New Yorkers. It's the local paper in the same way The San
Francisco Comical is the bay area paper. Anyway, yes the paper
is trash but the article is still 100% correct regarding
Berkeley. Go ahead, correct something in the article and let
us know where they went wrong.
\_ The NY Post is like a real newspaper in the same way Hard
Copy is like real news.
\_ No, it's exactly like the SF Chron. Anyway, no one has
yet said exactly what is inaccurate in the article.
\_ "They would be rotting in jail for their political heresies,
tortured with cattle prods. Or buried up to their necks in sand
and stoned to death." - THis is the concluding thought,
which to me, seems almost to say he wishes this is what happened
to us "Berkeleyites".. We should demand an apology....
im not even sure though if the paper is worth asking an apology
from...
\_ "...which to me, seems almost to say he wishes this is what
happened to us..." is a matter of your opinion and feeling.
The fact remains that what he said is true. You'd be killed
or permanently in jail in many countries for the same behavior.
You live in the freest nation on the planet. Enjoy it, but
don't piss on it. You've got no where better to go.
\_ If this article is correct, then I think people in Berkeley are
being idiots. However, I suspect that the writer is biased and
more interested in insulting Berkeley and liberals in general
than providing a reasonable opinion. For example, the writer
refers to Rep. Lee voting against the resolution supporting the
use of force. I saw a clip of Lee's speech on TV, and she
wasn't arguing that we shouldn't use force. Instead, she was
saying that we shouldn't act hastily in the heat of the moment
and do something we might later regret (e.g. kill lots of
innocent people).
\_ Opinions are just that: opinion. There's no such thing as a
reasonable or unreasonable opinion. Why is it so hard for
some people to separate fact from opinion? I read Lee's
comments about her vote right after her vote and "not act too
hasty" was not her agenda. "Not act" was her agenda. |
| 2001/9/17 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:36309 Activity:nil |
9/17 Politburo, is that you? Hail motd censor king. |
| 2001/9/15 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:36300 Activity:nil |
9/14 to speak to the politburo fiat, were people inciting to riot or some
such? the wonderful thing about world writable files is ... wait
for it... you can DELETE as well as add... Unless the motd was
being used to coordinate concerted attacks against the local mosque,
get over your power trip, politburo, and return the motd to the
people. --scotsman
\_ Well, according to the info down below, it seems like the motd
was fairly normal (and downright tame compared to last nov.)
\_ yeah, FUCK politburo censoring. Let's vote politburo members
off the island |
| 2001/9/15-16 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/India, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:22473 Activity:low |
9/14 bombing afghanistan would solve nothing since they're
already living in rubble:
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2001/09/14/afghanistan/index.html
oh and politburo: fuck you! |
| 2001/9/15 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:22461 Activity:nil 62%like:36298 |
9/14 I'd like to make the following points:
(1) If you haven't read wall.log yet (or don't know how to), at least
one CSUA member had indicated to the Politburo that they felt
threatened and scared by the racist comments in the MOTD.
(2) The Politburo did not make this fact clear to the membership,
that it was a basis for the closing of the MOTD. Instead, it is
described as "anti-arab sentiment offending many members" in
/csua/pub/minutes/F2001/0913.politburo.
(no offense intended to the CSUA Secretary)
You're all human beings. I'll let you figure out who was right
and who was wrong here. You can then return to what you were doing,
instead of feeling incredulous, righteous, wronged -- whatever.
\_ I read wall.log and at least two of the comments have been
clearly misinterpreted. They were ment to illustrate just how
stupid a particular line of reasoning was. |
| 2001/8/29 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:22284 Activity:nil |
8/28 How long do we get to keep our CSUA account? Will we get a warning
if it is about to be closed? I have graduated but it is my connection
to UCB. Thanks.
\_ have you ever read the motd before? have you noticed alot of
people here are in their thirties?
\_ You know, I _have_ noticed that there are motd posts by people
in their 30's... good thing everyone signs their YoB. --1976
\_ you can get an alumni.eecs account.
\_ I can? How?
\_ You keep your CSUA account until you get squished. Even after
you die!
\_ So don't do/SAY anything stupid! |
| 2001/8/19 [Computer/SW/Unix, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:22174 Activity:nil |
8/19 [ Censoring trolls are the worst. -- stupid troll deletion daemon ] |
| 2001/8/15 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:22127 Activity:very high |
8/15 how does one officially quit the csua?
\_ You can check out any time you like, but you can never leave.
\_ you can mildly offend any officer and that'll get rid of you.
But dont try censoring the MOTD, that'll never get you squished.
\_ it'll get you squished if you're not on the politburo. if
you're paolo, it won't. -tom
\_ I am using my first amendment right to disagree with tom.
\_ And I am using my second amendment rights to shoot you in the
head. Nothing personal.
\_ not to mention censor my posts, eh paolo? What an
idiot. -tom
\_ i don't believe there is a formal quit policy. You can probably
just ask the pburo to rm your directory. - paolo (who actually
tries to answer the question without libeling others)
\_ I am expressing my first amendment right to disagree with tom. |
| 2001/8/15-16 [Reference/BayArea, Academia/Berkeley, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:22123 Activity:high |
8/14 http://www.dailycal.org/article.asp?id=5834 "Police Search Massage Parlor in Connection With Prostitution" So much for the local bordello. \_ only in berkeley would people be stupid enough to go to a place like that expecting a massage and "be shocked to find that massage was not the primary service offered." \_ That place has been in business for at least 10 years, when I first heard about it from a female-friend and probably before then. I think that's the place that always has the windows covered. \_ Established 1973 \_ I had a good time there, that's one of the few things I'm going miss about Berkeley. \_ Like always, it'll be back. Just waiting for the heat to die down Come and visit later \_ not if those punks at http://adjectivity.com rent out the space from under them! Seems like every time a house of ill repute goes down, adjectivity is there in it's place. \_ Can you elaborate on your experience there? \_ search google for "golden gypsy", find an interesting story. \_ You could close down Kip's, Or the Golden Bear, And nobody would care, But the heart and soul Of Berkeley's in Our Maison Derriere! \_ To shut it down now would be twisted, We just heard this place existed! \_ oh, you mean the White Horse? |
| 12/24 |
| 2001/8/4 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:22006 Activity:nil |
8/4 motd nuked and partially restored... bitch. |
| 2001/8/4 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:21999 Activity:high |
8/3 paolo, why did you lie to the CSUA and the politburo about your
policy violations? -tom
\_ Tom, what the fuck is your problem. What part of
motd != politburo don't you understand. Are you even a student?
\_ I have sent a complaint to the politburo already, and they have
ignored it. Hence the public complaint. -tom
the politburo's domain of responsibility. Tom is alleging that
paolo used/uses a script to auto-munge the motd. I'm not
- student, !paolo
\_ Son, auto-munging of the motd is a squishable offense. That is
the politburo's domain of responsibility. Tom is alleging
that paolo used/uses a script to auto-munge the motd. I'm not
sure I can explain any more clearly than that. -!tom
\_ Daddy, how am I supposed to know that from Tom's post at
the beginning of this thread? And, how does posting to the
motd about the matter inform politburo? All it serves to do
is rile the soda public, most of whom don't attend politburo
meetings, and, even if they did, will NEVER be eligible for
politburo again in this lifetime. Oh, and, by the by, are
you a student? - 1st respondent
\_ I had more details in the MOTD, but paolo keeps deleting
them. What possible bearing does my student status have
on the matter? -tom
\_ i dont see why you can't answer his question --motd
\_ We will be discussing paolo's conduct at the first CSUA
General Meeting after the semester begins.
\_ What part of "Tom wants to have an _open_ discussion" do you
not understand. In this case, whether Tom is a student or not
is irrelevant to whether or not Paolo is doing anything. |
| 2001/7/24-25 [Academia/StanfUrd, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:21931 Activity:high 66%like:21942 |
7/24 Do you date more in college? Or after college?
\_ Yer mom is always available
\_ Definitely after college.
\_ In college.
\_ After.
\_ During.
\_ In college.
\_ In college.
\_ Before.
\_ You will never find as many young women ready, willing, and
able as in college. Get it while you can. --dim
\_ does that include stanford women? there is a stereotype they
are too studious to date.
\_ Too ugly to care. See Clinton, Chelsea. --dim
\_ Even those in biz school?
\_ Get out from behind your computer screen more often, d00d.
\_ In college.
\_ Definitely after. Never had the time in school. |
| 2001/6/18 [Computer, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:21561 Activity:nil |
6/18 Henceforth, any discussion not related to Computer Science will
be censored. The University does not pay you to discuss politics,
religion, girls, or any of that superfluous stuff. Get back to work.
-The Imperial Censor
\_ [Threat to Imperial Censor censored] |
| 2001/6/8-9 [Recreation/Dating, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:21461 Activity:very high |
6/8 "Judge orders 19-year-old guy: No more sex"
link:www.bayarea.com/c/breaking/docs/053992.htm
\_ I just had sex last night, but didnt come.
That guy should learn some control.
\_ you are obviously a girl though.
\_ girls are on soda?
\_ This response does get old after awhile, y'know.
\_ L1NUX. R1D3 B1KE. H07 AZN CHX. ED is the STANDARD.
get used to it.
\_ I have never met any of these girls that are
yer not missing out _/
supposed to have accounts on soda. I suspect that
the accounts were create by root in the days before
psb in order to keep the poor geeks hopeful.
The motd posts signed by women are obviously
forgeries.
\_ You need to get out more. There have been many
confirmed sightings of soda females at past
general meetings or in the distant history when
the volleyball court was regularly used.
\_ Confirmed by who? The politburo? Root?
Can we really trust these sources?
Since most sodans have never seen these
so called "girls", it is safe to assume
that they are a figment of a distrubed
mind.
mind. And if these "girls" exist, how
come we never get a chance to date them?
What is the point of allowing "girls" to
use soda if these "girls" can't be put
to good use helping poor geeks.
\_ I am not a girl or woman.
\_ then you didn't really "have sex". --bill
\_ she's a man, baby!
\_ You know what sucks more than not being able to have sex?
Not being able to think about sex without doing it intentionally.
\_ what the hell does this mean?
\_ Guess he can join the wankers club, just like the average sodan. |
| 2001/5/25 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:21363 Activity:nil 66%like:21361 |
5/25 [post on censorship censored] |
| 2001/5/25 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:21361 Activity:nil 66%like:21363 |
5/25 [censorship discussion censored] |
| 2001/5/23-24 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:21332 Activity:insanely high |
05/23 http://www.academia.org/topten2001.html \_ ACADEMIA IS AN EVIL COMMIE LIBERAL THING! FUCK ACADEMIA! \_ what a backwards and frighteneing organization \_ You and people like you make me ashamed to be affiliated with Berkeley. \_ Uh? Did you *read* the top ten list? You're just trolling, right? You think firing people because they mock the PC agenda in academia and in the arts is what made this country great? Even as a troll you're pretty scary. great? Or the kid they had sent to the psych ward for being Christian? Or walking around Berkeley nude is a reasonable part of a state sponsored education? Book burning in Berkeley? Madness.... true madness. \_ You have made up your mind that this prof. was fired for not being PC solely on the basis of a paragraph in this posting this link. And why do anti-left posts censored on the motd? Just let the discussion happen... one article? \_ You're right. It's all a lie. Thanks for keeping me informed with alternative information sources. None of it happened. It's just the VRWC. informed with alternative information sources. None of it happened. It's just the VRWC. informed with alternative information sources. None of it happened. It's just the VRWC. \_ That's what I'm saying. - Sen. H Clinton \_ That's hardly what I said. Why are you so offended \_ *LAUGH* There's no evidence because it gets censored! by someone requiring corroboration for an intreperation of events? \_ Offended? Only the left gets "offended". I object to you choosing 1 thing of 10 posted and making it as if that was the only thing said. Go do your own google search to disprove it. No one has a responsibility to do your counter research for you. \_ What exactly are you trying to accomplish by posting this link and the two below? Are you trying to show us that some people associated with the broad group that is the left engage in idiotic behavior sometimes? If so, we're all well aware of this, thanks. I think you'll be hard pressed to find a group with more than 10 people for which this isn't true. Are you trying to convince us that we should join the X-tian right? I don't think posting links to the motd is the path to success there. \_ more to the point is WHY you are so offended by someone posting this link. And why do anti-left posts get censored on the motd? Its good that the bad side of the left be exposed, just like the right gets hammered all the time, Just let the discussion happen... \_ I'm not offended, I just want to know what your goal is. Though I don't see evidence of the censorship you are talking about... \_ *LAUGH* There's no evidence because it gets ______ed! Must such an obvious concept be spelled out? Were you just trolling? Ow, my sides hurt from laughing. I love the motd. \_ My stuff gets "censored" all the time. Please look up the word "censor" and try again. Truth is fiction. War is peace. Welcome to the Brave New World. -ausman \_ Ok. Here it is from http://dictionary.com: v. tr. cen7sored, cen7sor7ing, cen7sors. To examine and expurgate. I don't think censor means what you think it means. \_ censor: 1.A person authorized to examine books, films, or other material and to remove or supress what is considered morally, politically, or otherwise objectionable. 2.An official, as in the armed forces, who examines personal mail and official dispatches to remove remove information considered secret or a risk to security. 3.One that condemns or censures. 4.One of two officials in ancient Rome responsible for taking the public census and supervising public behavior and morals. 5.Psychology. The agent in the unconscious that is responsible for censorship. The only definition that makes any sense at all with your problem is number 5, and I don't think you are either clever or self-aware enough to be referring to it. Please speak English, not NewSpeak. -ausman \_ hey dude, you looked up the wrong entry. you want the definition of censor the VERB. the other guy had it right. \_ It's only ausman. What did you expect? Like I said, it doesn't mean what he thinks it means. \_ Uh, dude -- we are discussing a URL you posted right now. And this is not the first time in the last several weeks that there has been a lengthy discussion about an article from a conservative news source. \_ Yes. Some sneak by. Most get deleted within a few minutes. The more solid the info in the URL, the more likely it is to get chopped. But you knew that. \_ A lot of students go to Cal for the Liberal/Radical rep, get bummed out when they meet actual radicals and reactionaries, and leave as NIMBY moderates. Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose. \_ I came to Cal at 17 as a blank slate. Never thought anything about politics of any sort before college. I was inundated with PC-ism and left Cal as a conservative because what they said made more sense than the book burners and hypocrites on the left. \_ Now see here, this is a pity: if you'd gone to BYU, you'd be batting for the other side! \_ The truth is the truth. I didn't come away from Cal as a bible thumping social conservative. I came away from Cal thinking the entire PC agenda was a crock of shit. Had I attended BYU, the illogic of the left would remain the same. \_ Liberals *know* that they are correct, from thier point of view, censoring a non-liberal statement is the act of making sure that incorrect information is not spread around. After all, what would the world come to if people didn't all agree on the liberal point of view? |
| 2001/5/14 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:21273 Activity:nil |
5/13 "troll"
\_ "meta-troll"
\_ I never metadata I didn't like
\_ I demand an apology for this...
\_ "yermom"
\_ i'm sorry...
\_ Has it come to this? |
| 2001/5/9 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:21216 Activity:nil |
5/8 Motd nuked.
\_ And there goes my erection.
\_ aw, poor baby's stupidity tolerance exceeded?
\_ shaddup nweaver |
| 2001/4/9 [Uncategorized/Profanity, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:20921 Activity:nil |
4/9 Hello fellow assholes! -Corntrollio
\_ So this is what trolls have become? I like a good troll as much as
the next guy but you have to at least *try*. Go back to troll 1A. |
| 2001/3/15-16 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:20800 Activity:moderate |
3/15 Poetry for the People invites you to attend a night of poetry and
protest this Thursday at the
I-HOUSE, 2299 Piedmont Avenue, Chevron Auditorium
(reception is at 6pm on the 2nd floor)
The reading featuring poet/playwright Ntozake Shange at 7pm. Admission
is 2 books, to help raise books for Berkeley High School's library,
which has been closed for a year now.
\_ Uh, who the fuck are you and why are you not addressing the spam
that you have sent to csua@csua properly?
\_ He is Paolo, boy wonder.
\_ no fool, _I_ am paolo - batman. Remember, i sign my posts.
why don't you sign your posts?
\_ Nah-nah nah-nah nah-nah nah-nah. Batman!
\_ I mean Leader!
\_ you have 1 hour to sign this or it gets purged |
| 2001/2/25 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:20691 Activity:nil 50%like:20675 |
2/23 Large, somewhat worn but reasonably nice couch, available for the troll pick-up (near Piedmont Ave., Oakland). troll http://www.csua.berkeley.edu/~tom/couch1.jpg. Mail tom. troll \_ thank goodness you're getting a new one -- that one's pretty ugly! troll \_ it has a certain something... not a good certain something, troll but something. It shows a certain kind of... taste. troll \_ the kind known as "bad"? troll \_ I bought it for $50 from my roommate who was troll leaving town, 8 years ago. It is not troll particularly a reflection of my taste. And I troll challenge you to find a better couch for free. -tom |
| 2001/2/25 [Computer/SW/Unix, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:20690 Activity:nil |
2/24 Is there a good reason why UNIX prohibits normal users from troll making NFS mounts? troll \_ Well, it's not as good as prohibiting ANYONE from making an troll NFS mount, but you have got to let SOMEONE do whatever they want on troll a system, NFS mounts, after all, aren't ALWAYS the wrong solution. troll (just usually). troll \_ Solaris automounter allows any user to mount a filesystem from troll remote host as long as it is exported to you. So there is a way troll to do this on unix. troll \_ automounter bad. very bad. evil. spawn of the devil. troll only bill's network neighborhood is worse. troll if you need automounter functionality use AFS (its free troll now). AFS good. troll \_ you don't do it, the autofs system does it for you. you troll as a normal user just make requests to autofs. you can not, troll as a normal user with normal user permissions, ask autofs troll to mount a NFS export on any arbitrary mount point, only troll on those mount points that autofs is configured to manage -- troll say /net, /home, /project, and you can not tell autofs, as troll a normal user, what mount options to use --jon troll \_ That's what I mean jon. Being able to mount things under troll /net is still much better than not being able to mount troll anything at all. troll \_ If you could mount any filesystem you want, anywhere you want, troll then you could do something like mount your own filesystem on troll /etc containing a passwd file in which you know the root passwd troll and give yourself root. (This is just one of many possibilities.) troll \_ First of all, both /etc and /etc/passwd already exist and troll they're both owned by root on that machine. You can't troll overwrite them. Second of all, if there were to be such troll thing as user-controlled NFS you shouldn't have any more troll permissions than you normally would. In other words, if I troll don't have permission to create a new file or directory in troll / I shouldn't have the permission to mount a drive at that troll location. troll \_ But I could remotely mount your home directory on my troll machine where I have root and su to the same uid/gid you troll have on the remote host and then fuck with your files troll over nfs as "you". Depending on how the mount points troll are exported, I could do the same to root owned files troll as well, such as /usr, /var, and others. Got the picture? troll \_ We're talking about user controlled NFS clients, not troll servers. As an NFS server, I, as root, would never troll let you mount my disk so that you can fuck around troll with it unless you had a legit reason in which case troll I would have created a little restricted sandbox troll directory for you to muck around with. But I think troll it would be a useful idea (and relatively safe) to troll have a SMB-like user-controlled mounting of remote troll filesystems. I have yet to see why this is unsafe. troll I have an account on CSUA called jondoe. On my troll Unix box at home I want to mount everything in troll ~jondoe at CSUA by supplying my jondoe username/ troll password pair and everything in ~jondoe is mounted troll on my home computer. CSUA will only let me access troll files in ~jondoe with the same permissions that troll jondoe himself would normally be able to access. troll \_ Yes. That's all well and good. Now explain what troll prevents me from setting up a jondoe account on _my_ troll home machine with _your_ uid/gui and mounting _your_ troll jondoe account. NFS has what sort of security to troll prevent this? None. Please explain why I couldn't troll do this. troll \_ First of all, even stock NFS controls what troll machines you export to. Obviously it would be troll silly to export csua home directories to the troll world with no restrictions, but if you trust troll a particular machine, this isn't a problem. troll And second, NFS does have the facility to troll use public-key authentication, though it's not troll often used around here. -tom troll \_ Because you have to have jondoe's password to do troll this. Think of it this way. jondoe logs into troll csua, and types some magical command called troll "nfsexport home-machine-ip" which exports HIS troll home directory to that IP. Or, he can run troll "nfsexport jondoe@csua", type in his CSUA troll password, and get access to his files. Yes, troll NFS has minimalistic security, but it doesn't troll have to be NFS, maybe another similar system. troll Now explain to me why this won't work, and why troll this system, which would seem very useful, troll isn't in place. troll \_ Yes! This is exactly what I mean. Why isn't this troll done? -original poster troll \_ Can you think about the potential problems? troll \_ jondoe is exporting. Different from mounting. troll What was your question again? troll \_ Switch to plan9. |
| 2001/2/25 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:20689 Activity:nil |
2/24 Looking for a good tutorial for learning to program for the Palm. troll I'd prefer to be in a unix environment, but, whatever makes it troll easeies/most efficeint. pointers? troll \_ most people use MetroWerks CodeWarrior for Palm, so that'd be the troll most painless to use. (But it also costs money and is available for troll only Windows and MacOS.) For gcc, you'll need PRC-Tools troll ( http://www.palmos.com/dev/tech/tools/gcc ). I found most troll tutorials to be long-winded and a waste of time (Palm's CodeWarrior troll tutorial is ~200 pages). I think the best way to learn would be to troll look at the sample code Palm provides and read the SDK companion and troll reference documents. You may find the Palm OS Programmer's FAQ troll useful ( http://www.cyberport.com/~tangent/palm/faq ) --jameslin troll \_ Why would you want to program for palm? troll \_ because programming for WinCE is painful troll \_ Missing the point: why would you want to program for any troll the toyish hand held devices? troll \_ as opposed to which other hand held devices? -ali troll \_ Playstation, Xbox, etc. are all toys, too. Why would troll anyone want to program for them? |
| 2001/2/25 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:20688 Activity:nil |
2/24 looking for a URL that references the fencing term that's pronounced troll too.shey. How is it spelled? What is it? troll \_ touche' troll \_ Or touché, in ISO Latin-1. It means "touched" in French. troll \_ note that most search engines don't index vowel diacritics troll separately, so searching for just "touche", without the accent, troll will get you what you need. -alexf troll \_ just like resume,huh? troll \_ Yeah, just like. Join this millenium. troll \_ millennium, even. |
| 2001/2/25 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:20687 Activity:nil |
2/24 ok, so I'm thiknig of buying a new penis, since apparently troll honda decided that civic hatchbacks are not hip and sexy and troll discotinued them in '97. anyone got any bad/good experience? troll \_ You are buying a car?!? Oh the horror! Oh the humanity! troll Don't you care about our precious pale blue dot and its troll environment? If you buy a car, it will need gas. This is troll just the excuse that Dumbya Bush needs to install Oil Wells troll in Alaska and off the coast of California. troll Just because I lost is no reason to give up the fight! troll - Al Gore (Join Team Gore 2k4: The committee to retake troll the White House by Any Means Necessary) troll \_ Experience? No. But imagine what you'll look like when your troll little golf gets smacked by something 4 times bigger like a troll CSUAer on a bike with linux loaded laptop in hand.... troll \_ OSuX! OSuX! 1T'5 A11 A80U+ OSuX D00D! K3WL AKWUA & 5H1T! troll \_ 5UV! 5UV! 1T'5 A11 A80U+ 5UV D00D! GA5 GU55L3R & 5H1T! troll \_ R1D3 B1K3! RUN GN00/L1N5UX! D00D! - 3133T H@X0R troll \_ You probably be wanting one of these for your Golf: troll http://collegehumor.com/pictures/tailpipe.html troll |
| 2001/2/25 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:20685 Activity:nil |
2/25 All motd trolls will now be marked with troll on the side. As troll such, all authors of trolls shall be subjected to horse troll whipping. troll \_ Uh whatever. A troll is in the eye of the beholder anyway. It's troll really the fault of the rest of you for encouraging it by responding troll or getting suckered into flame wars about it. troll \_ So why is the following a troll: troll "R1D3 B1K3! RUN GN00/L1N5UX! D00D! - 3133T H@X0R" troll While this one isn't a trool: troll 5UV! 5UV! 1T'5 A11 A80U+ 5UV D00D! GA5 GU55L3R & 5H1T! troll You have no standards. troll \_ Too much work. I only mark first and second level trolls. troll Plus, if a new thread comes under a troll it is automatically troll considered a troll. troll \_ If a thread is under a bridge, is it assumed to be a troll troll? |
| 2001/2/25 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:20679 Activity:insanely high 64%like:20684 |
2/25 All motd trolls will now be marked with troll on the side. As
such, all authors of trolls shall be subjected to horse
whipping.
troll \_ Uh whatever. A troll is in the eye of the beholder anyway. It's
really the fault of the rest of you for encouraging it by responding
or getting suckered into flame wars about it.
\_ Uh whatever. A troll is in the eye of the beholder anyway. It's
really the fault of the rest of you for encouraging it by responding
or getting suckered into flame wars about it.
\_ So why is the following a troll:
"R1D3 B1K3! RUN GN00/L1N5UX! D00D! - 3133T H@X0R"
While this one isn't a trool:
5UV! 5UV! 1T'5 A11 A80U+ 5UV D00D! GA5 GU55L3R & 5H1T!
You have no standards.
\_ Too much work. I only mark first and second level trolls.
Plus, if a new thread comes under a troll it is automatically
considered a troll. |
| 2001/2/23 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:20659 Activity:kinda low |
2/22 Where do people buy acid in berkeley?
\_ cloyne court. 2600 ridge rode.
\_ Yeah, but who? (Not like I expect an actual name to show up
on the motd) Just ask at the front door?
\_ Yes. "Hi, I'm here to buy acid. Which room?"
\_ does anyone on soda sell acid?
\_ yes. just think about it, and read the aliases file.
\_ Latimer Hall has lots of kinds of acid.
\_ Also VLSB and LSA. Really strong acids too.
You could probably get some free base to go
along with your acid. (Pardon the puns).
\_ Don't be stupid.
\_ What the hell do you think those organic chemistry
grad students are *really* doing?
\_ Don't be stupid.
\_ making speed. it was on the news a couple of years ago.
responsible for 1/3 the meth supply of the state.
Go Bears.
\_ casa zimbabwe, look for it at http://www.usca.org ask for fliz or
the house mgr. say you are looking for "a joyride". make sure
they know it's acid, not e or special k that you want. get a
pager number from the dealer he hooks you up with.
\_ The USCA Coops Central Office. Ask anyone behind the counter.
If they're out that day, they can direct you to the right coop
house. |
| 2001/2/17-18 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:20627 Activity:nil |
2/17 UC to consider dropping SAT I:
http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nyt/20010217/ts/head_of_u_of_california_seeks_to_end_sat_use_in_admissions_1.html
[replaced by the anti-censor. stop censoring other people's post
you fucking twit. first you say that urls will be purged unless
they have a description. not only do i think that's stupid but
this has a fucking description. we're not a facist society] |
| 2001/2/17 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:20621 Activity:nil |
2/16 <DEAD>www.buyscraponline.com<DEAD> \_ [censor threat censored by anti-censor god] |
| 2001/2/14-15 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA, Politics, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:20594 Activity:high |
2/14 Lonely on 2/14? Call your mom. Get her something nice.
\_ I already got yermom something nice. Why didn't you? You're
a customer.
\_ What if your mom is dead? -welch
\_ of the 200+ sorried users, is this one's mother dead?
\_ sigh. too many newbies.
\_ #f. i've been around for years, this one
must've escaped me. i feel so left out! |
| 2001/2/7-8 [Computer/SW/Unix, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:20528 Activity:high |
2/7 Something wrong with csua ssh connection?
\_ yes, the version just installed is known to be broken, and root
is ignoring complaints about it. -tom
\_ I think root is just ignoring you.
\_ OpenSSH works fine for me.
\_ maybe root has a tom-filter...
\_ ipchains -A input -s tom -d politburo -j REJECT
\_ if tom was cool and 31337 he could get thru since
ipchains doesn't have state.
\_ Too bad LinSUX doesn't have ipf/ipnat
like REAL OSes!
\_ At some point, when 2.4 is stable, we'll use iptables.
\_ 2.4 is stable. 2.4.1 is out. iptables >> ipchains
Use it:
iptables -A INPUT -s top -d politburo -j DROP
really is more accurate, as he was ignored, not
told to shutup and go away.
\_ Are all these people truly so moronic that
they do not realize that soda is running FreeBSD?
\_ enjoy it while it lasts, monkey boy.
- Penguin Construction, you got boxes, we
pave 'em.
\_ Uh? It's a shell. It runs commands.
As a non-admin user why do you give a
flying rat's ass what the underlying
kernel is?
\_ uh? tcsh and bash are shells. linux
and freebsd are operating systems.
\_ Welcome tasty penguin. - THE DAEMON
\_ What soda is not a 31337 L1NUX B0X!?! I'm
quiting the csua. - B1K3 R1D3R
\_ lemonade.csua already is.
\_ what the hell is "nlogin"? |
| 2001/2/6 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:20509 Activity:high |
2/5 If you have an idea for a CSUA-sponsored talk, no matter how lame
it sounds, and you want to do it, don't wonder if you should or not.
Just go into the office and demand support. Get involved. It can't
be any lamer than the silent MOTD readers.
\_I have to disagree here, there are some topics which don't yield
themselves to discussion at a CSUA-sponsored talk. I once
brought up having a WAREZ club, so all the people in CSUA could
trade software. The officers flipped and talked about how after
we graduated we would realize how much money pirates were stealing
from us (as programmers in the real world) blah, blah, blah...
Point is, my "idea" was blown out of the water, so think twice
before bringing up an idea, it could be lame in other people's
eyes even if it's way too cool in yours.
\_ oh my god! The rejection! Yeah, you're right; if there's
any chance you'll be rejected you better NOT EVEN TRY
YOU FUCKING WANKY LOSER. WHY DON'T YOU JUST CRAWL
INTO A HOLE AND DIE!
\_ for one thing, it's not pronounced "juarez" -tom
\_ I fell off the edge again.
\_ First of all the idea needs to be legal. duh?
\_ warez? grow up. pr0n is where it's at.
\_ Where can I get my CSUA-sponsored pr0n? |
| 2001/1/3 [Recreation/Dating, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:20222 Activity:high |
1/2 I asked Santa to give me this mysterious sexy blue hat CSUA chick
for X-Mas but I didn't get it. How do I get it?
\_ URL?
\_ http://www-server.bcc.ac.uk/~zcapl61/santa.html
\_ is this work safe?
\_ yes, text only.
"I simply write about my thoughts. Whatever happens happens, I hope they'll
find a good editor because most of it is crap."
\_ ED! ED! ED is the STANDARD! Editor.
\_ Is that the one with the fish? |
| 2000/12/25-27 [Reference/Celebration, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:20170 Activity:high 57%like:20576 |
1/24 CSUA Poll: Best Christmas Movie of All Time:
- National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation 3
- A Christmas Story 3
- Die Hard! 1
- Batman Returns - paolo 1
- JINGLE ALL THE WAY 1
- Nightmare Before Christmas 1
- Grinch (the real one, not the JimC shit) 1
\_ But which one is the standard? Life's meaning is obscured
without. -ED user
without this. -ED user
\_ The Christmas Carol is the standard, but it's been done
to death. (It's a Wonderful Life is up there too, and
has also been redone so many times it's mind-numbing.)
\_ Charlie Brown Xmas Special. W/ score by Vince Geraldi.
the bending of the tree by hanging 1 ornament. Classic.
- paolo
\_ Faces of Death II. That always gets me in the right mood. -John |
| 2000/12/9-12 [Academia/Berkeley, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:20058 Activity:high |
12/8 Since when did the http://www.Berkeley.edu search engine switch to google? (man, those other ones sucked) \_ The previous (Cha-Cha) one was a SIMS research project \_ I guess Stanford schooled us, once again. \_ Is there a reason to use any other seach engine but Google? Hotbot used to be good. I guess I still use Yahoo, which now has Google backend. \_ Hotbot just used Inktomi anyway \_ I still use AltaVista \_ Heathen throwback. \_ Brewer deserves it for being a pompous ass. \_ who is Brewer? \_ Corporate Whore Supreme of the cs dept. multimillionaire who teaches 169 on occasion and is otherwise very hard to find on campus \_ Holy shit! You mean he used his considerable skills, talents, and experience to improve his lot in life? How truly offensive! I feel, no, I *demand* that he hold true to his academic background and work for free for the betterment of all! If not, I'm going to protest by never attending another CS class again! Down with money making Profs! Up with the people! Where's that bh vodka glasses into the fire quote when you need it? You, sir, are an idiot. \_ You, sir, are a whore. \_ maybe such a busy multimillionaire shouldn't be teaching a class or conducting research if he's so busy. if he really did want to charge the university hundreds of thousands, that seems rather crass, since his position and research at the university is \_ Have you ever met him? Jeez! directly responsible for his wealth \_ No shit, he should share some of that wealth with UC. Aren't they using that NOW technology? \_ is he still a multi-millionaire with the current stock market woes? \_ http://biz.yahoo.com/t/83/5566.html \_ the reason the Berkeley home page is not using hotbot/ inktomi is that Brewer demanded like a million bucks for it. \_ is this true? \_ I'm not surprised, the going rate for search engine contracts for company intranets is around that range, like $50 per seat. So for 20,000 students, that's $1million. Yes, Brewer's a fucker. \_ The berkeley home page should be using "grep". \_ ED! ED! ED is the STANDARD! Search engine. |
| 2000/11/13-14 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:19754 Activity:low |
11/13 <DEAD>url-without-comments-deleted.com<DEAD> \_ Uh ok. More lefty censorship. Next time I'll put a comment in pointing out that the URL demonstrates the obviously unfair and biased nature of the Florida theft by the Daley/Gore ticket. |
| 2000/11/1 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll, Computer/HW/Drives] UID:19619 Activity:very high 70%like:18804 75%like:19042 50%like:19423 53%like:19625 52%like:19628 |
10/31 /dev/da0e 1270240 1166771 1850 100% /var/mail
\_ Whee!
\_ This is why soda should just forward email.
\_ Top 10 "offenders":
\_ this is less than 10 mb. how is that even offensive.
\_ This comes up every fucking month. Why don't we get some
more goddamn disk space?
\_ Because it's stupid to buy more disk for old machine
when new machine with much more disk is already being
set up.
\_ yes sir - #1 slave
\_ Faster, you lazy bastard! The disk is still full!
-rw-rw---- 1 jon mail 9958427 Oct 31 16:27 jon
-rw------- 1 rajah csua 8740763 Oct 31 14:38 rajah
-rw-rw---- 1 apl mail 7178201 Oct 31 16:04 apl
-rw------- 1 elizp csua 4827154 Oct 31 16:29 elizp
-rw-rw---- 1 deschan mail 4024243 Oct 31 10:24 deschan
-rw-rw---- 1 mackn mail 3963281 Oct 31 00:25 mackn
-rw-rw---- 1 tpc mail 3874439 Oct 31 16:46 tpc
-rw------- 1 ginocide csua 3826808 Oct 31 13:35 ginocide
-rw------- 1 randyc mail 3813542 Oct 31 15:56 randyc
-rw------- 1 gsu mail 3804333 Oct 31 10:14 gsu
\_ Why doesn't someone in the politburo start giving warning
notices to the disk hosers, and if they don't reply/delete
mail/whatever after a certain number of days, then take
corrective action into your own hands.
\_ Because they don't care and shouldn't have to? Ask the VP
to make a new policy that spools get stored in homes. This
should've been done years ago. Use the source, Luke.
\_ why can't we just deliver mail to user home directories already.
Puts it under user quota and distributes the mail more evenly across
the system's disks.
\_ Because that makes too much sense. People have been saying
exactly what you just said for years.
\_ That's asinine. A lot of users have only 8 megs, and besides,
from a dumbass user's standpoint you don't want a core dump
to prevent you from getting mail. Disk space is cheap.
\_ dumbass users should limit coredumpsize 0 |
| 2000/10/31-11/1 [Reference/BayArea, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:19612 Activity:high 61%like:19626 |
10/30 Are there any 24 hr oil change places in/around Berkeley?
\_ It's called the San Francisco Bay. Stop driving already.
\_ No. Berkeley's retail stores as a set can be considered as
a vast outdoor mall which closes at 11:30, after which the
mall security (Berkeley PD) come to beat up and generally
harass any remaining shoppers and/or loiterers (homeless).
Thank you for shopping Berkeley!
\_ being pissed about berkeley's businesses closing early
is fine, but do you really want a 24 oil change place
in your neighborhood? I've never even seen one
anywhere.
\_ Fuck NIMBYism.
\_ AROUND motherfucker, do you know what it means?
\_ No. Now fuck off. |
| 2000/10/27-28 [Academia/Berkeley/Classes, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:19578 Activity:very high |
10/26 Ugh, got a closed book closed notes exam, but I can bring ONE
sheet of double side notes. Does that mean I can bring any sheet,
like a 20"X16" double sided sheet? I'm not trolling.
\_ bring this: http://www.casting-couch.com/tour/0036-11/images/010.jpg
\_ Actually, it means that you should go to crate and barrel and
purchase a large roll of butcher paper and xerox the entire
book onto it and then bring it with you. DUH!
\_ Microfiche.
\_ hand-written? Or can you type it up and use abbreviations and
then use a Xerox machine to reduce it? That's what I did for
my poli-sci class. They gave the 8 essay questions beforehand
and said 5 of these will be on the exam and you get to choose
any 3 of them to answer. But can bring one 8.5x11" piece of paper.
I prepared all my answers before the exam and spent the entire
exam just copying text into my bluebook. Filled up the entire
bluebook plus the back inside cover.
\_ but in reality, how many of you used those sheets? Maybe
all you needed was the comfort in having that sheet, and the
trouble not having to memorize a few number of formulas.
\_ there's only one occasion when bringing that piece of
crap actually helped me. on my two physics 7b midterms,
it just so happened that the exact example of a refraction
problem copied out of a schaum's outline was on the test,
(except for the numbers of course), and on another, the
I had the equation for some Hydrogen quantum bs equation
on my cheat. it was awesome b/c I way above mean on both,
beating out the nerds who usually kicked my ass on exams.
unfortunately, i got totally fucked on my final, but
the glory was fun while it lasted. nothing like a good ego
boost during the dark physics 7 series days. you should
always go for closed book since the effort to
memorize stuff is minimal, prevents from getting totally
trashed on an open-book which is supposed to be "easy."
\_ Open book can be easier depending on the prof. Olander,
in NE and Komvopolus (sp?), Pruitt in ME, Gronsky,
tested, make it close book. This one or two pages only stuff
Weber in MSE gave open book exams that were pretty
easy. Their exams would have been next to impossible
had they been closed book since there was always too
much to memorize. ----ranga
\_ I usually found that creating the "cheat" sheet helped me
more than the actual cheat sheet. Though in some ME classes
the formulas came in handy. ----ranga
\_ These are my favorite exam rules. No having to book-flip to
search for stuff, and no memorizing of stupid formulae. Just
put down the key stuff in the class which let you figure anything
else out and don't worry. --PeterM
\_ The other one (which I personally like) is having created
or extracted a good 1-2 page appendix (EG, the back inside
cover of P&H for 61c), which is included with the exam.
A little more work in some respects, but very useful for
the students without the chaos of an open book test. -nweaver
\_ This is my absolute LEAST favorite exam rules. Look, if you want
to make a hard exam testing concepts, gimme open book/open notes
and I'll bookmark pages, mark-up lecture notes, whatever. If you
want to give an easier exam where some memorization is being
tested, make it closed book. This one or two pages only stuff
just turns the whole thing into some game where people try and
cram as much onto one sheet as possible... and the prof thinks
he can ask open-book-type questions because "you should have
written that important fact down." Grrr... I hate them.
\_ the other option which i liked better were the classes
that gave everyone the same cheat sheet attached to the
exam. why make people memorize a ton of equations and
why be unfair about cheat sheets? everybody knows ahead
of time what they'll be provided with and everybody has
access to all the same info during the exam...
\_ I agree. I refused to play the game and brought in 2 pages
of notes with huge handwriting. When the TA gave me trouble,
I told him to compare the number of bits on my two sheets with
the number of bits on the cram sheet of the person in front of
me with microscopic handwritting. The TA gave up eventually.
\_ Actually I'd have walked up to you and said, "Which page
do you want? You can only keep one." And if you kept
going on your two page thing I'd just fail you. Seriously.
Unless you seemed to have a genuine, non-renegade,
non-protest reason for bringing in two pages. But anyways,
this was just to balance your remarks.
\_ Because I have a vision problem and you're discriminating
against me and everyone like me. -!not the two sheet person
\_ Anyone who *needs* to bring in a sheet with teeny-tiny little
writing on it is screwed anyway. I handwrote all my cheatsheets
in normal writing and usually had about half a side left.
\_ i don't think most people really need them. it's
just an OK but rather time-consuming way to study for
an exam as you are writing the notes. keep in mind
that cal professors in engineering are mostly looking
for understanding, and not the amount of crap that
you blindly memorized.
\_ Depends on the department. Some profs. in MSE
really were interesed in whether or not your could
memorize stuff from the book. |
| 2000/10/20 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:19529 Activity:high |
10/19 One might think that a CS group at Berkeley could come up with a
more advanced system of discourse than editing, without locks,
a shared text file.
\_ wall y, bumfuck.
\_ It works. Don't like it? Use that genius of yours to find a better
solution while still maintaining optional anonymity.
\_ Perhaps we can make it a pseudo-device, that allows only serialized
access to the file.
\_ oh please. CSUA != CS, CSUA != XCF, CSUA == sys admin
\_ fuck off. that's so 20th century.
\_ Anonymity is key, boy! As well as elegance! World-writable
motd's are very elegant.
\_ hi marco |
| 2000/10/20 [Academia/GradSchool, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:19528 Activity:moderate |
10/19 I'm taking an SITN NDO class. Unlike Berkeley the professor actually
responds to you promptly. Also you can talk to them like normal
people and you don't have to wait in line for the stupid office
hours, or get defered to an undergrad TA like Berkeley jerk professors
do. You can say StanfUrd for all I care, but it is simply a better
school -Cal graduate
\_ it's a stanford class? man, i was over at stanford
dropping stuff off to my stanford buddy, and damn,
there were babes walking all over campus!
mind you, mostly white chicks, a few asians here and there,
but damn, they were cute!!! much better looking than
an cal women. i was glad i got lost looking for his damn
lab =)
\_ I've taken 5 or 6 NDO classes towards a masters degree and I've
found the profs. to be quite friendly. They are usually interested
in what your are doing at work and mostly answer questions promptly.
The TA's kinda suck though, but I guess thats to be expected from
them since they are still pretty young (younger than me that is).
- Cal graduate who is happy with the farm
\_ I've had the same experience at Cal with any prof I actually went
up to. Perhaps you were just too lazy to get off your ass. |
| 2000/10/6-7 [Recreation/Dating, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:19423 Activity:very high 50%like:19619 |
10/5 3865 100% /var/mail
\_ I sense much mail bouncing tomorrow morning
__
\__/ .\/ tweet tweet
/ /\ beeeeeyatch
\____/
| |
/\ /\
\_ Will Mark vi have more mail space?
\_ When it becomes an IMAP-only server, yes! Welcome to the New
Way.
\_ Soda ought not dictate the method of reading/storing mail.
- old geezer who still uses mh
\_ Biggest offenders:
--rw-rw---- 1 jon mail 15399014 Oct 6 00:22 jon
\_ 16075605 Oct 6 13:28 jon
--rw-rw---- 1 jon mail 0 Oct 6 13:40 /var/mail/jon
--rw------- 1 tse mail 7157578 Oct 6 00:54 tse
--rw-rw---- 1 muchandr mail 5164239 Oct 5 22:53 muchandr
--rw-rw---- 1 sky mail 4765757 Oct 5 23:35 sky
--rw------- 1 gsu mail 4387733 Oct 5 19:53 gsu
--rw------- 1 rbola mail 4337005 Oct 5 21:42 rbola
--rw-rw---- 1 jstanko mail 4208883 Oct 5 00:33 jstanko
--rw-rw---- 1 jh mail 4097161 Oct 5 23:36 jh
--rw-rw---- 1 klee mail 3988082 Oct 6 00:50 klee
--rw-rw---- 1 rico mail 3917348 Oct 5 23:37 rico
\_ Soda gains sentience, enforces mail reading policy.
Film at 11.
\_ Requiring an imap compatible reader is silly. Just
dump it in home dirs and let people deal as they
choose.
\_ New list of "offenders" (All under 15 MB quota, but these sizes
are still unbelieveably large):
\_ Most of these "offenders" are way below the 15 meg quota
alloted for mail.
muchandr -> 5.0 M
\_ Muchandr is a repeat offender. I think he falls
under the three strikes rule, let's sorry him!
sky -> 4.6 M
gsu -> 4.2 M
rbola -> 4.1 M
jh -> 3.9 M
\_ jh ought to be excused if he comes and playes netrek
\_ jh ought to be excused if he comes and plays netrek
for GB again, umd traitor scum. -John
klee -> 3.8 M
annes -> 3.7 M
rico -> 3.7 M
wendyg -> 3.7 M
kube -> 3.6 M
\_ imho, soda should just forward mail.
\_ wrong.
\_ An opinion can't be wrong. But it would be wrong to
implement this opinion.
\= okay, IMHO WRONG!!!!
\_ Thanks.
\_ This sounds like a good idea... there are plenty of
other places people can do their email these days.
\_ IMHO U 12 W210NG D00D!
\_ imho, user email should wind up in user home directories, and
email as you have to store gay porn.
fall under user quota.
\_ that's an interesting idea... but then people would
\_ Where is it written anyone has a _right_ to store
porn?
never clear out their mailspool, they'd just let it
collect in their 10 meg quota.
\_ so?? its their 10 meg quota, who are you to decide what
they store in it. They have just as much right to store
email as you have to store hot gay porn.
\_ if everyone on soda used their 10 megs of quota,
we'd be screwed. - danh
\_ Where is it written that anyone has a _right_ to
store porn?
\_ Where is it written that anyone has the _right_
to store email?
\_ It isn't. The priviledge is part of having
a unix account unless otherwise specified.
Porn is not a promised or implied right or
priviledge.
\_ Argeed. Use mh. Save a mail spool.
\_ Ermmm... no |
| 2000/9/27-28 [Computer/Networking, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:19334 Activity:high |
9/26 When my client, get's disconnected I get a message "reset by peer"
Does it mean, csua reset's my session or, My ISP disconnect's me,
from the session?
\_ Why all the extraneous apostrophes? don't people even pretend
to know grammar anymore?
\_ 311T3 Hax0012 D0 ! N33D G12AMMA12 D00D
\_ It means that someone tried a tcp hijack on your ssh session
and the server broke the connection. Otherwise, soda rebooted.
\_ Or you hit soda's 24 hour keepalive timeout and your
ISP's firewall isn't playing nicely. (Or your ISP
session timed out & you reconnected with a new IP
address.)
\_ or soda crashed and rebooted.
\_ It means your lost your connection. Why do you care?
\_ Well, just wondering which side is doing the reset since it
happens quite frequently, if it's not from csua, then I may
be able to do something on my end to fix this problem. |
| 2000/9/22 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:19309 Activity:nil |
9/21 Stupid stuff expunged. I'm deeply worried about the kind of people
we are letting on soda these days. |
| 2000/9/8-10 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:19207 Activity:moderate |
9/8 Shouldnt there be a Trevor Buckingham entry in the CSUA
Encyclopedia by now?
\_ There's a Trevor entry in the Playboy encyclopedia. Something
like loser, reject, etc...
\_ where can i read the CSUA encyclopedia? --chris
\_ www.csua then click "CSUA Encyclopedia"... or go here:
http://www.csua.berkeley.edu/~appel/csua.html
Note: No info on Trevor... what gives?
\_ The encyclopaedia and be-boys do not lend themselves
to cohabitation. |
| 2000/7/28 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:18801 Activity:nil |
7/27 [ stupid troll about ali deleted ] - mad motd troll deleter |
| 2000/7/20-21 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:18725 Activity:high |
7/19 I would like to set my display to another machine that is
listening for X11 on a port other than 6000. How can I?
\_ If you set your DISPLAY to server:42, your X clients will
connect to server on port 6000 + 42. This will work for
any port above 6000. Connecting to ports under 6000 isn't
supported, and negative numbers don't work, but you can
specify large numbers and they'll be treated as negative --
for example, on a 32-bit system, server:4294967295 would
connect to port 5999.
\_ cool. How are you figuring that 429467295 = -1 ?
(or 4294961295 = -1?)?
\_ 2^32-1. Look up "two's complement" in any intro
architecture/digital design text (150 and 61c texts
included).
\_ [ad hominem deleted. not everyone here is in CS, by major
_or_ profession]
\_ If they have no interest in CS, they have no
business being in the CSUA
\_ Bullshit. Go read the CSUA constitution and
bylaws.
\_ the csua is for people who can't get into
cs and are desperately looking for some
skills to learn so they don't have to
flip burgers otherwise.
\_ do you want fries with that?
/_ The CSUA is for everyone. CS students and non
students alike. - Paolo, CSUA President.
- and on a personal note. Fuck you.
\_ umm, moron, i have established interest by the
intial question and the further asking for detail.
As to the CENsor, thanks but no thanks; i would
\_ Restoration of previous ad hominem:
"This person is too dumb to be in CS."
like to have been able to read the personal
attack and it isn't even in ERic's motd archive.
For info i was not in the major, i AM in the
profession (if y'all accept blue-collar sys
admining as part of "the profession") -TOP
\_ I think whether they're "qualified" to be in the CSUA
is irrelevant; whether they're qualified to participate
in a discussion where they have no knowledge is the
issue. -tom
\_ The individual in question is _seeking_ said knowledge.
Which leaves you, yet again, without a point. Shut the
fuck up tom. |
| 2000/7/14-17 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:18682 Activity:high |
7/14 Its been a while since my UCB days. Out of curiosity, what
p are the most popular dorms students want to be in?
\_ 343 soda
\_ is that like WEB or 260 Evans? -- pre-Soda geek.
\_ 238 Evans
\_ yermom's guest house
\_ that's only for cs dorks. typically, foothill, unit 3,
and clark kerr (for people with cars) are the desired
spots \_ Ride bike! I did.
spots
\_ Jeez, you lazy schmuk. I used to walk from clark kerr,
until I rode bike. -- grouchy oldtime sodan
\_ well, it was also fucking expensive and FAR, so there...
-- he who walked alot in berkeley
\_ Moron, there are other places to go besides driving to
campus from the dorms. Life as a student is not just
"wake up, go to lecture, eat, go to sleep, repeat".
\_ of course not. There's also the hacking on random
things.
\_ and chasing after chicks.
\_ and masturbating
\_ What's with all the complaining i hear from recent grads about
clark-kerr being "far"? Man, back in the 1980s, people were
happy to be in Dwight-Derby (it's old name?) and nobody
complained. Sheesh. Wimps. -- mid-1980s eecs major
\_ fuck dorms, just live in a Student Group Office like
vadim does in the XCF - well (former XCF)
\_ XCF must die! - recent /. headline
\_ Evans. -wnj |
| 2000/7/13 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:18670 Activity:high 66%like:18076 |
7/13 censor this troll
\_ xxxxxx xxxxx xxx Happy xxx xxx x xxxxxxxx
(Response censored.) |
| 2000/7/13-14 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:18660 Activity:kinda low |
7/13 Why do my trolls get deleted so fast? There should be at least a
3 day turnaround on those threads. Special threads like asian girls
and white guys or dateless soda l0sers should go on for at least one
week. -motd troller #69
\_ aaron, is that you?
\_ Just breed more. Works for me. Maybe you need practice. |
| 2000/6/29 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:18563 Activity:high 55%like:17557 |
6/28 I've generated a list of popular trolls. Now I'm wondering
what are some examples of a good meta-trolls?
\_ self-referential ones are good.
\_ Like, say, this one
\_ Hello aaron!
/- You people are ALL NUTS, sheesh!
\_ Learn some English, buddy. |
| 2000/6/23-24 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll, Computer/SW] UID:18539 Activity:low |
6/23 <TROLL>What are employers looking for in web designers nowadays?
Which books should I study up on?</TROLL>
\_ <BLINK> Tags For Dumbasses, 3rd edition
\_ <BLINK> Tags For Dumbasses, 3rd edition
\_ </BLINK> -!dumbass
\_ oh yea? |
| 2000/6/22 [Academia, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:18521 Activity:nil |
6/23 What is the best (easiest) way to satisfy the American Cultures
requirement together with the Humanities and Social Studies
requirement for the College of Engineering? -ax
\_ College of Engineering has the easiest Humanities/Social Science/
American Culture requirements a Cal student can have. How easy
do you want it to be?
\_ Anthro 163AC with Dundes was really really good. He tries to
scare you off at the beginning, but if you stick with it, he
grades really easy and you get to research anything from yermom
jokes to stories told by welders.
\_ Which ax is asking this question? -ax (Axel) |
| 2000/6/8-9 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:18423 Activity:very high |
6/7 Does anyone know if its possible to take any uc berkeley class
through extension - former student wanting more enlightenment
\_ you can take any regular berkeley class provided it has room
in it and the professor doesn't object. go visit the extension
office for the relevant form.
\_ Alan, is that you?
\_ No, I already know the answer and if I didn't, know how
to find it faster/better than asking on the motd. -alan-
\_ Yes. Don't know the details, but I think this is common. Try
extension's website or call them.
\_ It's called "concurrent enrollment". Most of the big
classes are restricted, though you can still ask for the
prof's OK. Upper-division classes are usually fine. -tom
\_ My father was showing up at all sorts of engineering and cs classes.
Didn't sign up, didn't pay anything, and the profs appreciated having
someone who _wanted_ to be in their class. Just show and talk to
the profs if you don't need the grade on paper.
\_ did he actually learn anything without doing HW + exams?
\_ Academia rewls, industry sucks! GO BACK TO SCHOOL if you are
\_ If people on the motd are so critical of acedemia why the hell
did they even bother going to Berkeley in the first place?
\_ I rule, yermom sucks! Who's your Master???? Who's your
Master!?!?!?!? -- sky 'slavemaster' king
serious on being enlightened.
\_ I agree. -- motd academia god |
| 2000/5/31 [Academia/Berkeley, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:18370 Activity:nil |
5/30 Are the city engineers in Berkeley stupid?
\_ Yes. 'Nuff said. Move on. Really no point on starting a thread on
this.
Why is it that the large
streets (like University Ave. and parts of Telegraph) have their
traffic lights timed to be red more often than green while the
smaller streets that intersect them are green longer than red?
\_ if you were so smart, you'd avoid driving on University and
Telegraph near the campus and College and the other "big"
streets
\_ Even idiots don't drive near campus. I'm talking about
right after Jack in the Crack (small street before
Alcatraz) and the 24 on/off ramp (no big surface streets
intersecting them).
\_ That would be Oakland, yes no?
\_ People who drive or walk on the smallers streets have their
rights too! -opressed smaller street walker
\_ They must be. How else can you explain the repaving of Hearst
east of Oxford after 10 years of disrepair and then promptly
beginning to tear it up again?
\_ that's the university doing infrastructure shite, not the city
\_ No no, you mean every 2 years when city council elections
come up.
\_ how about the widening of the sidewalk on Center St. by campus
a few years ago -- how long did that take? 6 months?
\_ Duh. Welcome to Berkeley. It's *intentional*. They _want_ to
make it harder for drivers in Berkeley. Duh, duh, duh.
\_ Pshaw. That implies that there's anything even remotely
coherent in their 'planning'. I think blatant stupidity
applied in the most shortsighted manner possible is closer
to the mark. |
| 2000/5/30-31 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:18368 Activity:very high |
5/30 Are the city engineers in Berkeley stupid?
Why is it that the large streets (like University Ave. and
parts of Telegraph) have their traffic lights timed to be
red more often than green while the smaller streets that
intersect them are green longer than red?
\_ if you were so smart, you'd avoid driving on University and
Telegraph near the campus and College and the other "big"
streets
\_ Even idiots don't drive near campus. I'm talking about
right after Jack in the Crack (small street before
Alcatraz) and the 24 on/off ramp (no big surface streets
intersecting them).
\_ That would be Oakland, yes no?
\_ People who drive or walk on the smallers streets have their
rights too! -opressed smaller street walker
\_ They must be. How else can you explain the repaving of Hearst
east of Oxford after 10 years of disrepair and then promptly
beginning to tear it up again?
\_ that's the university doing infrastructure shite, not the city
\_ No no, you mean every 2 years when city council elections
come up.
\_ how about the widening of the sidewalk on Center St. by campus
a few years ago -- how long did that take? 6 months?
\_ Duh. Welcome to Berkeley. It's *intentional*. They _want_ to
make it harder for drivers in Berkeley. Duh, duh, duh.
\_ Pshaw. That implies that there's anything even remotely
coherent in their 'planning'. I think blatant stupidity
applied in the most shortsighted manner possible is closer
to the mark.
\_ Go to a city planning meeting. They spell it out in plain
English. Car drivers are evil and must be punished. I
wouldn't bother to make this up. When in Berkeley, you
should never attribute stupidity when evil will suffice.
You're talking about a place that wants to turn a bunch of
dilapidated structures (not enough left to call them
'buildings' anymore) into historic landmarks, thus keeping
prime real estate from being turned into job making
businesses and screwing the owners. It's Berkeley. Wake up.
\_ Man, everything related to the city of berkeley just sucks.
Why was rent control removed? when demand is greater than supply
\_ Because Pete Wilson outlawed rent control statewide.
Berkeley fought tooth-and-nail, but can't escape state law.
Get a clue you fucking whiner.
rent control is good for the tenants. parking stinks, i think
everyone w/ a car has paid at least 200 in parking tickets
(me much more). Who here has parked at soda and gotten massive
tickets?? Where do they expect people to park to go lab?
\_ walk to lab, you fucking shithead. know how much i paid
in tickets in 4 years at cal? nothing. go back to LA
and drive around with the rest of the auto-worshiping
shitheads.
\_ you probably live close enough to walk. not everyone
lives within walking distance. think b4 you speak
\_ Ride Bike? Suck me bitch.
This is the only city where they seem like they make life hard
for the students, the non-students that generally make up the
population of berkeley seem to want to make it hard for students
to have proper accomodations... And how come we still have
peoples park??? we need another unit... not a drugged&homeless
gathering center. <sigh>
\_ uh, rent control went away because vacancy rent control was
\_ WILL SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!!????
\_ can't we all just get along? |
| 2000/5/25 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:18339 Activity:nil 66%like:17613 |
5/24 man page troll deleted.
\_ it wasnt a troll. just lack of clue. Since the answer to every
question posted is always RTFM, I would have thought that "how
do I RTFM?" might actually get an answer.
\_ shell_prompt% man man |
| 2000/5/25 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:18338 Activity:insanely high |
5/24 I think the "XXX troll deleted" messages are a bit uncalled for
sometimes. I propose that if you are going to delete a post
becuase you think it's a troll, you should sign your name, or
maybe you should only need to sign your name when you delete
a signed post. Comments? -emin
\_ trolls never sign their names. That's part of what
makes them trolls. -tom
\_ don't think its that necessary.
\_ people who delete stuff that they think is a troll are censors.
censors ar fucking assholes. period. they just like to try
to legitimize their censorship by signing or saying troll deleted.
oh, an d did i say fuck you to all the censors? here: fuck you. |
| 2000/5/25 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:18337 Activity:nil 66%like:17613 |
5/24 Troll about deleting trolls deleted.
\_ It wasn't a troll. This is the kind of thing I was talking
about. I restored my post. -emin |
| 2000/5/23 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:18318 Activity:high 80%like:17613 |
5/22 Priceline-- troll deleted.
\_ Damn it! I missed a troll. -disappointed |
| 2000/5/19 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:18295 Activity:high |
5/18 http://www.csua.berkeley.edu/~tpc/grrls Is this proper on CSUA? \_ doesn't seem to be violating any ucb rules. i'm not offended by it. \_ yes! thank you! \_ i fucking hate dorky ass girls. how bout more pics of brooke berry buckingham williams/whatever ==ham. \_ Possibly some copyright violation, but who's the owner? So who knows? |
| 2000/5/17-18 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll, Reference/BayArea] UID:18285 Activity:very high |
5/16 Any home owners here in soda? What area is still 'reasonable' to buy
property these days in the East Bay?
\_ Oakland (Temescal/Piedmont Ave/Grand Lake), Berkeley flatlands. -tom
\_ I got a house last year in El Cerrito. -- jsjacob
\_ What is your price range? And are you able to tolerate long
commutes? Would you settle for a townhouse or it has to be a
single family house? Is this a house for investment? How long do
you plan to live there? Is school district important for you?
There are a lot of questions that you have to answer before you
can decide on an area.
\_ a townhouse is settling?
\_ Yes.
\_ Exactly. Any answer would be worthless without knowing these
things. Here's yet another example of an anonymous person
having something more important to say than the two signed
people who just babbled. I deleted those comments to save them
from the embarrassment of a comparison to the anonymous reply.
Also, I don't embrass easily. -- jsjacob
Also, I don't embarass easily. -- jsjacob
\_ I answered the first question, not the second.
Also, I don't embarrass easily. -- jsjacob
\_ 'Reasonable' is a matter of opinion and circumstance and
can't be answered properly without more information.
\_ get a fucking clue. -tom
\_ Learn how to format your fucking motd posts so I don't
have to guess who the fuck you're addressing.
\_ the moron who deleted actual answers to the question
in favor of his anonymous idiocy. -tom
\_ You have to ask? A General answer to your General question:
Q:East Bay A:Oakland
Cheaper, close for most commute, near BART/bus/freeway
\_ Anonymous cowards aside, you can get good deals on nice houses
in good neighberhoods in Oakland, particularly Temescal, Piedmont
Avenue, and Grand Lake. Other nice areas in Oakland (Rockridge,
Montclair) are very expensive. Berkeley flatlands can be OK
though they vary from street to street. -tom
\_ to the anonymous coward who keeps deleting this: get
a fucking life. -tom
\_ forget about san francisco. even the crappiest neighborhoods
are no longer reasonable. -- joeking |
| 2000/4/23-25 [Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:18091 Activity:very high |
4/23 The must-have O'Reilly nutshell book
http://www.ora.com/catalog/evilgenius
\_ Have you showered or had sex at anytime in the last 15 years?
Have you learned to use the TAB key, yet? Acquired the smallest
shreds of a sense of humor, maybe? Keep working at it.
\_ Do the books have new stuff are they just the online stuff in
book form?
\_ the online stuff. But this is worth the $12 just to show
the genuine o'reilly title on your bookshelf :-)
\_ Worth it if you're tripping all over yourself to show people
that you're a total fucking loser geek, I guess. I'm sure it
fits nicely in that blank space on your bookshelf right
between the English-Klingon dictionary and the binder that
holds your lovlingly xeroxed SCA guide on how to make your
\_ KA'BAH! You want 'The Tragedy of Khamlet,
Son of the Emperor Qo'nos', by
Wil'yam Shax'pir.
holds your lovingly xeroxed SCA guide on how to make your
own armor.
\_ umm, user friendly is like hte definition of not funny
\_ I tried to read it a few times. It was a waste. I've
since purged my mind of the unpleasantness.
\_ it's amazing how many non-UNIX folks still manage to aquire,
and then use, soda accounts. Or maybe you just feel offended
that iliad could dare make fun of the Open/Net/FreeBSD
wars.
\_ ANY student enrolled in UC Berkeley may apply and receive
csua membership and an account on the machine at soda.csua
- paolo
\_ Paolo, read the CSUA FAQ for once in your life:
1. How do I get a soda account?
Soda accounts are ONLY for members of the CSUA. The CSUA is not an
account provider -- we are an organization for people with an
members of the ASUC may be active (voting) members, but other
eligible folks are welcome to participate in CSUA activites and
make use of our resources. We expect our members to be at least
somewhat computer literate, and to have an interest in learning
and experimenting. Because of that, and the fact that our staff
are all volunteers, we don't serve the users in the same way
someplaces like the OCF does. This doesn't mean soda is
especially unreliable or uncared for, it just means we expect
people to be better able to fend for themselves.
that iliad could dare make fun of the Open/Net/FreeBSD
wars.
interest in computers and computer science. Any U.C. Berkeley
living everyday thanking Tourvalds.
student, faculty, or staff is eligible to become a member. Only
\_ thank you for agreeing with me
\_ user friendly is about as funny as being stuck in a
room with a bunch of soft, puffy, geeks who last
showered in '93 and keep parrotting bits from monty
python and hitchhicker's guide. -aspo
\_ Dude, these are the sort of people who wrote the OS
you run, the networking protocols you indirectly
make a living off of. So they can't all be rectally
fixated biker studs like you. Go hangout with your
well-adjusted loser friends and leave the geeks alone.
\_ well for one I don't do ecommerce crap. Networking
protocols don't have anything to do with what I do
for a living. And yay. So a bunch of smelly,
need-to-die geeks have written a bunch of computer
software. Some of that software is worth using.
%99.99 percent of it is as much crap as the worthless
lives of the sad little sexless acne-scarred twits
who wrote it. -aspo
\_ What the fuck are you doing on soda, you evil
little twit?
\_ Uh, yeah, tell me more about "Illiad", uber-hacker
extraordinaire. Perhaps Illiad was an early member
of the CSRG, responsible for most of 2BSD? Or maybe
Illiad stood at the shoulder of timid young newbie
hacker Richard Stallman, making gentle suggestions
that would later form a life philosophy? Or did he
write one of those Johhny-come-lately "DUD3, L1NUX
1Z WAY K-RAD!!!1!!" 10-dimensional 76-bit-color
window managers that you wannbe-UNIX-folk are always
so fond of arguing over? Real men use twm. And
they don't read User Friendly.
\_ ED! ED! ED is the STANDARD!
\_ so geeks, wrote the OS, they have fame and they have $$$. I'm not
living everyday thanking Tourvalds, Behlendorf, and Ylonen.
\_ It's likely I was a "UNIX folk" when you were still in
grade school. I find the comic to be painfully unfunny
because it simply lacks any form of humor. It just isn't
funny and not in the Berkeley, "How many lesbians does it
take?" way.
\_ Ah. I see your problem is just that you're an old
curmugeon, who has already heard every joke in existance,
back in 1950.
Yes, there are stupid ones. But only about 1%.
\_ http://www.sluggy.com is much more amusing.
\_ sluggy is just as bad.
\_ <DEAD>www.spacemoose.com<DEAD> is much more amusing.
\_ http://www.chick.com is much more amusing.
\_ http://www.mycomix.com to choose for yourself.
\_ http://www.jerkcity.com is better than stoned gay sex.
\_ http://hotzp.com/badboys/archives/021900.html
\_ BBoCS!
\_ http://www.yomomma.com
\_ http://http://www.angryflower.com is better than flying fetuses |
| 2000/4/17-18 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:18034 Activity:high |
4/17 What's a troll? - curious in Cali
\_ Cool. It never occured to me to start a trollfest over the
definition of the word 'troll'. Fellow troll, I salute you!
\_ if you knew what you were doing, the thing above this is a troll.
A message simply to get people to respond and argue, etc.
just for the sake of it.
\_ a stupid quesiton isn't REALLY a troll. A troll is
somthing that pushes people's buttons that has been posted
purely for the joy of watching people makes fools out of
themselves by being full of justifed anger. A troll
is NOT someone posting sometihng they legitimatly
care about, nor is a troll someone making some stupid
in-joke.
\ Where is a good place to meet asian chicks is a troll
\_ flamebait a subcategory, different category, or synonym?
\_ a troll can also mean a certain type of creature found in
Dungeons and Dragon games. I think trolls are also creatures
guarding bridges, right? (yes, this isn't probably what the
original poster was looking for).
\_ troll is also a fishing term, I believe, where you try to
get the fish to bite.
\_ Anytime you're using a pole and hook you're trying to get the fish
to bite. Trolling is when the boat is in motion, making the lure
jump around like a living organism instead of a piece of plastic.
\_ That should be trawling.
\_ trolling is when you trawl with bits of computer geek guts
as bait
\_ no intelligent fish would take a bite on that...
\_ intelligent and fish are two words that don't mix
\_ what about flipper!? he's a dolphin! dolphin are
fishies!
\_ mammals. flipper is a mammal... and a rapist
\_ Since when is flipper a rapist? A racist, sure
we all know that but a rapist? |
| 2000/4/17 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:18028 Activity:nil |
4/16 Troll, and troll response to troll, censored. |
| 2000/3/27 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:17866 Activity:high |
3/26 Mail spool troll purged as per prior warning.
\_ is it really a troll?
\_ Yeah, he got me. It was a total troll.
\_ I can smell a mail spool troll miles away. -purger
\_ Maybe, but that wasn't a subtle troll, poor guy. |
| 2000/3/21-22 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:17815 Activity:nil |
3/20 I want to read the mail that gets delivered to csua@csua, but I
don't want to be on the mailing list. Is there a solution?
\_ AFAIK, no. It shows up in the wall log, but I think mails
to lwall get clipped to a certain length. Why not just use
procmail to store it somewhere other than your inbox until
you read it, then you can nuke it. -dans
\_ Yeah, or maybe I can use procmail to save the last month's
csua@csua e-mails in /csua/tmp so that everyone can read them.
Or has someone done this already?
\_ ~danh/csua-mail . enjoy. |
| 2000/3/17 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:17786 Activity:very high 50%like:17967 60%like:19246 |
3/16 Clean your pr0n out of /csua/tmp
\_ Fuck, now where am I gonna keep my Jenna pictures?
\_ Who's Jenna?
\_ if you have to ask...
\_ Guh-duh! leik if you have to ask you don't know!
Guh-har! Thats leik s0 clev0r!111 d00de!11
\_ Hi paolo!
\_ whoa...there's porn in the tmp directory...i'm there =) |
| 2000/3/16 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:17777 Activity:nil |
3/14 Leave it alone, dans. Stifling the racist and the stupid is not the
correct way to deal with them.
\_ What would you suggest? -curious
\_ Why should anything be done?
\_ Censoring them is wrong. They must be confronted, their views
aired and addressed and put in their place in a public forum if
it is a public forum where they spew. Anything less and you
lend credibility. Why censor that which is easily debated and
shown to be false? Only the truth gets censored and by doing
so you falsely make it appear that their hatred has a basis in
fact.
\_ I'm not "curious", and I agree with you on this. If I thought
it was an actual hate diatribe, then I would have left it to
be skewered by public discourse. Thing is, it looked more
like a troll than anything else. It was a direct quote from
The Blues Brothers, I alluded to this in the message I put
in place of the nuked thread. Someone else, I think kube,
noticed it as well, posting a comment about hating Illinois
nazis, another Blues Brothers allusion. -dans
\_ Keeping in mind that most of the people here haven't seen
the BB's and almost as many have no idea who Belushi is
since he died when they were learning to walk....
\_ No one who has never seen the Blues Brothers should
be allowed to join the CSUA
\_ Hmm, we may have to add that to the Constitution.
-dans
\_ "We got two guys out here who look like they from
the FBI or somethin'..." |
| 2000/3/16-17 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:17776 Activity:high |
3/14 March Madness is here! Join the "CSUA" group on http://espn.com! \_ Fuck March Madness. \_ college hoops suck big dick, i agree. \_ March Madness?!!! Is there a Macy's at Hilltop or should I go to SF? \_ There's a Macy's at Hilltop. \_ Is it better to be NIT champion, or invited to the NCAA tourney and lose in one of the earlier rounds? \_ Better in what sense? In terms of respectability and prestige, I would say getting into the NCAA tournament, but in terms of preparing the team for the future, probably winning the NIT. \_ Better to make Sweet 16 in NCAA than win NIT. Better to win NIT than bow out of NCAA before Sweet 16. \_ Actually, depends on the team. Some are lucky just to make it to NIT and would call themselves successful just for making it that far. But some teams like Vanderbilt feel jilted for missing NCAA and feel NIT is "loser's bracket." \_ Not to be the spoil sport, but why does anyone care? \_ (Trying not to be flippant here), but there are those of us who enjoy watching sports. Does it make a difference in our lives? Most likely not. Are there things better to do? Probably yes. You could make the argument why should anyone care about anything, but that's a pointless path to take. Just accept that some people enjoy the NCAA tourney. \_ 'dont ask, dont tell' -- keep your closet habits in the closet. We dont want to hear about them. \_ By closet, I assume you mean habits we prefer not to display or are too embarrassed to reveal. Who says that's the case? \_ You're missing the point. I think the fellow is saying, "Stuff your whiny-ass, self-important opinions up your ass, sit-the-fuck-down, and save your specious justifications for someone that gives a damn." But that's just a guess on my part. \_ And my point is, who's to judge what's a topic that people around here give a damn? Does it have to be *nix related or geek-related? Does it have to involve trying to get laid? There's no answer. If you don't like a topic, ignore it. \_ Petulant whine deleted. \_ I censor all topics of no direct and immediate interest to me. \_ Just that the results of other people's sporting activities are about the least important thing I can imagine. Unless you're monetarily involved in some way they're completely meaningless to the workings of the world. Is that the point? The ultimate in vegging out? |
| 2000/3/14 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll, Computer/HW/Drives] UID:17764 Activity:very high |
3/12 Stupid trolls deleted (again).
Mail will stay in /var/mail where it belings.
-your friend
\_ Guh-duh! Clean up your mail spools! Especially all you people who
never login or read the motd but receive tons of mail here! Yeah!
That'll fix it! And oh yeah! Put a bigger disk in soda! Duh!
Kewl! I just solve the mail spool problem for leik 2 munths with
a s00per kewl idea! Buy more disk! Wh0a! I'm smart! |
| 2000/3/10-12 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:17734 Activity:high |
3/10 Is there still a difference between US and int'l encryption on
browsers?
Yes. I'm assuming you know what the difference is, but if you don't,
I'd be glad to explain it. -dans
\_ Maybe not. I thought only US version is 128 bit strong
encryption but now it seems that int'l version is also like
that. Does that have to do with the recent legislation?
\_ Ah, I forgot. Recent legislation allows companies to
export strong encryption on a case by case basis. I'm
unfortunately not aware of the gory legal details. What
you suggest sounds quite possible though. -dans
\_ Once again we see dans mouthing off about something he knows nothing
about....
\_ You nuked my response to this as well as someone's followup
comment stating that it wasn't legislation, but executive
action, and that it hadn't gone into effect yet. You also
nuked my response to your asanine comment pointing out that
1) My original reponse, that the difference still exists is
correct and 2) I very clearly stated that I am uncertain of
the gory legal details. Either add something useful or piss
off, but don't nuke useful responses. -dans
\_ You nuked someone's followup comment stating that it wasn't
legislation, but executive action, and that it hadn't gone
into effect yet. You also nuked my response to your asanine
\_ English 1A
comment pointing out that 1) My original reponse, that the
difference still exists is correct and 2) I very clearly stated
that I am uncertain of the gory legal details. Either add
something useful or piss off, but don't nuke useful responses.
-dans
P.S. Sign yer posts you twink.
\_ I nuked nothing. Go fuck yourself. The motd got nuked
flat many times today and I restored the copy I had which
was better than the zero bytes here. Did I tell you to
\_ Go fuck yourself. When your done, go stick your head
in a pig. While you're at it, sign yer posts. -dans
go fuck yourself, yet? Oh yes, I did. -happily not dans
\_ Go fuck yourself. Repeat. Then go stick your head in
a pig.
_/o \/ \@ _________
\___/\______/ \ \ \_____ I
Lung Ass
Anatomically correct ears Lung Ass
| (after one level of indirection)
| |Apple II
_/o \/ \@ __v______v
O_ )=( ____I_ <______
O2 --> mouth --> >___/\______/ \ \ \_____ I
_n_ ______ | ||
v | |Apple II
_/| ______ | ||
O2 --> mouth --> O>___/\______/ \ \ \_____ I
_/x \/ \@ __v______vv
O_ )=( ____I_ <O_____
O2 --> mouth --> O>___/\______/ \ \ \_____ I<--- also cooked
^ \ II II II II /
| \___________________________/
Apple I ^
|
plate
Then sign yer posts you twink. -dans
\_ Once again dans reaches new heights of maturity
and leadership on the motd.
\_ Yes, and the motd has always been such a bastion
of maturity in this sober and reserved
organization. -dans
\_ The pig lacks a mouth. How does it eat?
\_ Now that you've added a mouth so the pig can
eat, where does the food go after it digests?
\_ The *real* question is: how does the user
that movie did. And now that it has a
mouth, what would it say with such an
uncomfortable object up it's ASS??
\_ Thanks for answering my queries regarding
the lack of mouth and where the food goes
when it digests. I notice that
the pig is now dead and cooked. So does
that mean the guy with the head in the
pig can eat his way out now?
breathe?
\_ I also have another question, i forgot to
ask before: why does the pig have an "n"
for ears? I thought pigs had more pointy
and large ears -- at least the one in
that movie did. I did not realize pigs
could talk until I saw that movie. Since
this pig now has a mouth, what would it
say with such an uncomfortable object up
it's ASS??
\_ Also, thanks for answering my queries
regarding the lack of mouth and where
the food goes when it digests. I notice
that the pig is now dead and cooked. So
does that mean the guy with the head in
the pig can eat his way out now?
\_ More importantly, where do you stick the apple
when you cook it?
\_ dans, you are truly the van gogh of our generation.
\_ Can I have his spare ear?
\_ Wow, dans, you sure showed me with that ancient ascii 'art'
rip off. Your lame rip off doesn't make you any less stupid
or ignorant. If you spent more time on issues like the
problem with the treasurer or the mail spools rather than
posting crap to the motd and proving your manhood by signing
your garbage then maybe someone would have some respect for
you instead of pissing down your throat on the motd
everyday. You reap what you sow. By signing you show not
that you're a real studboy but that you take the motd too
seriously and are just a twit and an incompetent imbecile
incapable of performing the most basic duties of the office
you voluntarily ran for. Do your job. No one gives a shit
if you sign your filth.
\_ Fuck you, you twink. Problem with treasurer: he doesn't
read his soda mail, and I solve this how? Force him to
read his e-mail with the evil e-mail water cure torture?
I don't think so. Impeach him? Who's going to replace
him? You? Are you even eligible for the politburo?
Even if you are, you won't even claim responsibility for
your posts on the motd, so why the hell should anyone
expect you to be any better as treasurer? In light of
the situation, mikeh and I did the best thing possible:
we routed around it. Note our repeated admonitions to
send inquiries regarding donations to one of us, not
twohey.
Problem with the mail spools:
Short term answer:
a) I don't have root. b) machines have been the VP's
domain for a long time. mikeh and the other root staff
do a damn good job of managing things. I'm not going to
step on their toes by madly gzipping offender's
mailspools and dropping them in their home directories.
If that's the right thing to do in this situation, then
the root staff will do it. It's their decision. a) if
there is a different solution (i.e. reducing mail
quotas), they'll pursue it, but, regardless, it remains
their decision.
Long term answer:
Get more disk. Duh. I'll repeat what I've said before:
There's talk of a soda upgrade. Because we don't know
the exact kind of disk (SCSI, duh, but what kind of
SCSI?) we'll be using, we're not going to rush out and
buy a disk to solve today's mail spool problem if we
can't use it in new soda a month from now. Until either
soda gets upgraded or we decide it's not going to
happen, buying a disk is out of the question. If
someone has a spare disk they can donate, that might
help, but most of the offers we've seen have been
to buy or supply funds for the purchase of a disk.
As important to the CSUA as soda is, soda != CSUA, and
my job is not to baby sit it. If you want to criticize
the job I've done as prez, try actually reading the
job description first (it's in the CSUA constitution).
I don't sign my posts because I believe in owning my
words. I do it independent of the medium. I suppose
you must have difficulty owning your words, seeing as
they're all shit. -dans
P.S. No rip-off, it's straight out of the CSUA
Encyclopedia. Frankly I think the subsequent
discussion is damned funny.
\_ Have some balls. Impeach him, give someone else the
opportunity to do it. An empty office is better
than a do-nothing office. As far as the CSUA
Constitution goes, I wrote parts of it. I think I
know what it says. Don't use a piece of paper to
hide your ineffective cowardess. Stand up and do
the right thing. "It's not my job!" is the lamest
weakest cop-out ever given. Make it your job! Those
who came before and will be coming after will
appreciate it. Don't be another worthless resume
stuffing figurehead. |
| 2000/3/2-3 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:17681 Activity:high |
3/1 Please clean out /var/mail (your mailbox). Was 100% full but i just
cleaned out over 1MB.
\_ Encourage use of a real mail tool like [n]MH to avoid
keeping your mail in /var/mail.
\_ or use procmail/slocal to automatically move mail to your
local directory
\_ No need for procmail. echo $HOME/Mailbox >.forward
\_ can't we just delete ALL the alumni who have not attended
CSUA meeting in the last X number of years or who have not made
generous donation to CSUA? I bet that'd free up a of space.
Furthermore, less user = less complaint
\_ You're not very bright, are you?
\_ Yeah, it's more important to have some extra mail spool space
than first shot at jobs and free clue and hardware. Good plan.
Dump the evil alumni who steal our mail spool space, most of
whom are storing their mail in their home directory because
_they_ have clue. Please tell me you're a troll. I'll feel
better being trolled than if you're real. |
| 2000/2/25 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:17613 Activity:moderate 80%like:18318 66%like:18337 66%like:18339 |
2/24 Troll deleted.
\_ do you know what a troll is? Are you stupid? |
| 2000/2/23 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:17597 Activity:nil |
10/3 I promise to keep my virginity as long as I am a soda geek.
--- promise keeper
\_ as if you could help it...
\_ That isn't much of a promise. More of a guarantee.
\_ The rest of soda promises to help you achieve this goal.
\_ I lost mine last night.
\_ I lost mine to psb and nweaver at BAGG last week
-- promise breaker
\_ Lose your virginity by hitting on one of the CSUA sluts
\_ That only works for women since all the CSUA sluts are
lesbians
\_ Name one who claims lesbianism but hasn't had a long
string of male sex partners or isn't currently screwing
some random dude.
\_ I can personnaly assure you that this is FAR from true.
-Soda Mack Daddy
\_ So a guy who sleeps around is a mack, but a
girl who sleeps around is a slut? One standard
is plenty.
\_ How about we drop the use of the term "slut"
and use "sexually empowered woman" instead
\_ "Slut" is more accurate. -The Mack
**_ Name some witness please.
\_ Uh huh. More like wannabe college-cool lesbians.
A soda chick claiming lesbianism is merely the typical
its-so-cool college attitude compounded by the need
for a defense against the typical sex starved soda
geek she comes into contact with through the csua.
\_ This analysis is so right on that I must comment
on it explicitly. It shows a depth and keeness
of intellect rarely exhibited on the soda motd.
Well done -- motdd
\_ So you haven't been able to get any either?
\_ No, I was just making a comment about that
statment above; but your response is funny :)
also, I think most of the soda women (girls?)
are skanky, or damaged goods, or a combo of
both -- motdd (yes, there are exceptions, I
know- and I include the men (boys) in this
as well)
\_ damaged goods, huh? So are you a virgin?
\_ Damaged doesn't mean "non-virgin". It
means "psychotic and emotional mess".
\_ What about those chicks who crave attention they
can't get anywhere else?
\_ At Berkeley the competition is so minimal that
all a chick has to do to get attention is breathe.
Yes, this _does_ say something about men at Cal
as well.
\just shows that some people need to get a clue when it comes to women
\_ And you made this observation on paid company time?
(I'm not getting paid while typing this.)
\_ then you are a loser and a slave. The only excuse
for posting to the soda motd is doing it on company time;
doing it on your own time is a waste of what little life
you have. -- posting this on company time, right after my
2 hour lunch.
\_ I didn't take a 2 hour lunch today but I showed
4 hours late and I'm going home 2 hours early. I'm
also getting paid to post this. How's that?
\_ that's pretty good, if you can keep it up :)
\_ It's killing me. I need more hobbies since like
a US farmer, I get paid not to work.
\_ And your problem with this is ?
\_ The women on soda are smart enough not to get involved
in this thread
\_ hear hear - the voice of reason. best to let the boys
be oh so brave and daring by posting their rantings to the
soda motd - it's not like any of them would ever have the
guts to even make a peep about any issue IRL anyway - just
\_ I feel stupid
for asking,
but I really
want to know
what is "IRL"?
keep playing and posting in your insulated little world
and never actually do anything. suits us just fine.
\_ and this surprises you?
\_ Rantings? What rantings? A few facts:
0) PRINT "HELLO, WORLD!"
1) No real women in soda hall
2) No real lesbians in soda hall
3) No real men in soda hall
4) No real or simulated sex in soda hall
5) I get paid to post to the motd which hell sure
beats doing real work
6) IRL = In Real Life.
7) That you would think anyone takes this seriously
and post a real reply says more about you than
about those posting so-called rants.
8) Did I mention I'm getting paid to do this? :-)
9) GOTO 0
\_ This is getting more and more hilarious! |
| 2000/2/21 [Computer/SW/Editors/Emacs, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:17580 Activity:nil 50%like:16578 |
motd nuked. Killroy was here. emacs user deleted. \_ kool \1'll get ya mudafaka! yo deleted my postz! |
| 2000/2/20 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:17573 Activity:nil 80%like:16578 |
MOTD NUKED
\_ good |
| 2000/2/18 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:17557 Activity:nil 55%like:18563 |
2/17 Trolls and meta-trolls deleted. |
| 2000/2/18 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:17554 Activity:nil |
2/17 Troll deleted again. And weak attempt to troll the anti-troll was
also deleted. |
| 2000/2/18 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:17552 Activity:nil |
2/17 Troll deleted. Give it a rest. You're clearly intentionally trying
to use a hot button issue to troll the motd. I'll stop deleting it
when you stop trolling about it. |
| 2000/2/11-12 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:17490 Activity:high |
2/11 Where have all the good troller gone? I only see lame flamebaits
and small-time trolls. We need some big time trollers to stir things
up a bit.
\_ uh, I guess this is a troll too?
\_ it's a meta-troll.
\_ The motd was over 470 lines, most of it trolling. What exactly
qualifies in your book as a "good troll"? Once agin, the motd
is not here for your amusement. If you want it to be amusing,
you must make it so. Now go get a cookie.
\_ the motd IS for my amusement you fool.
\_ Then clearly it isn't satisfying your needs so you should
fuck off and die. Thank you. |
| 2000/2/3 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:17426 Activity:nil |
2/3 What is the difference between flamebait and a troll?
\_ Semantics? Or a troll is a post to gain attention, and flamebait
is a post intended to provoke vehement reaction. I dunno really.
\_ flamebait is something stupid. "MS-DOS is the best OS".
A troll is something inflammatory posted deliberately,
about a 'big issue'. But usually posted in the guise
of an "innocent" poster. eg:
"Why does the army let fags in anyway?"
\_ No. A troll is a descriptive term for a person who posts
flamebait. Flamebait is a post intended to provoke a
vehement reaction. Trolls post flamebait. I know because
I'm one and loving it. --flamebait posting troll
\_ troll describes both the idiot and the idiotic post. -tom
\_ One man's idiot is another man's amusement. |
| 2000/2/3-5 [Computer/SW/Languages/Perl, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:17420 Activity:high |
2/3 Does emacs automagically understand lines like the following or
do I have to do something special in .emacs? How can I get emacs
to automagically insert these lines at the start of all my
c and tcl files?
/*-*-Mode:C++; c-basic-offset:8; tab-width:8; indent-tabs-mode:t-*-*/
>
2/3
What is the difference between flamebait and a troll?
\_ Use perl.
2/3
What is the difference between flamebait and a troll?
\_ Semantics? Or a troll is a post to gain attention, and flamebait
is a post intended to provoke vehement reaction. I dunno really.
\_ flamebait is something stupid. "MS-DOS is the best OS".
A troll is something inflammatory posted deliberately,
about a 'big issue'. But usually posted in the guise
of an "innocent" poster. eg:
"Why does the army let fags in anyway?"
\_ No. A troll is a descriptive term for a person who posts
flamebait. Flamebait is a post intended to provoke a
vehement reaction. Trolls post flamebait. I know because
I'm one and loving it. --flamebait posting troll
\_ troll describes both the idiot and the idiotic post. -tom
\_ WTF does that mean? Signyerposts Tom. I signedyermom.
\_ That means "Use perl."
\_ Is perl a new text editor? I typed perl,
but nothing happened.
\_ Inline insertion/replacement with perl.
\_ ED! ED! ED is the STANDARD! Text Editor. |
| 2000/1/26 [Uncategorized/Profanity, Politics, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:17335 Activity:high |
1/25 Stupid national airports thread deleted as I have been seeing it since
a year ago and it is already getting boring
\_ fuck you Heuwey Long.
\_ fuck you Jean McGrath. |
| 2000/1/20 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll, Computer/HW/Drives] UID:17276 Activity:very high |
1/20 Filesystem 512-blocks Used Avail Capacity Mounted on
/dev/da0e 2540480 2332740 4502 100% /var/mail
CLEAN UP YOUR MAIL SPOOLS YOU HOZERS!
\_ no, add more disks to support our huge mail quotas!
\_ I propose we squish more people and delete their home (e.g. kchang)
\_ I propose to have a mail quotas smaller than 8mb. If
soda does not have enough disk space, why have such huge
mail quotas in first place?.
As far as I can see none of the users below is above their
quota. I don't see a reson why they should be squished
-anonymous coward
5443134 scharpen
5004733 ying
4951795 egwall
4939696 joy
4862243 ivy
4841636 blyon
4825914 yule
4822396 andrea
4800332 kane
4786558 innami
4737733 clarie
4704368 hankwong
4688583 jean
4646727 blojo
4603297 mackn
4499982 lleong
4459360 anjie
4413419 duyphun
4400330 jones
4321963 ramses
5443134 scharpen 4737733 clarie
5004733 ying 4704368 hankwong
4951795 egwall 4688583 jean
4939696 joy 4646727 blojo
4862243 ivy 4603297 mackn
4841636 blyon 4499982 lleong
4825914 yule 4459360 anjie
4822396 andrea 4413419 duyphun
hundreds of hours of works. -tom
\_ Fascinating. 8.5% of the users consume 50% of the space. 15%
consume about 70%. This is fine of course unless the spool runs
out of space.
4800332 kane 4400330 jones
4786558 innami 4321963 ramses
\_ End the Bolt Action domination of the mail spool!
\_ How about these folks? kchang isn't even in the running. Do you
people really need 4-5 MB in your mailspool?
\_ it's really stupid to quibble about 5MB when 18GB disks
cost $300. -tom
\_ Fine, so donate $300 to CSUA and shut up.
\_ the CSUA gets a budget every year, this is a fine
thing to spend money on. And I have donated quite
a bit of money to the CSUA over time, not to mention
hundreds of hours of work. -tom
\_ The point is, a free resource always leads to a
shortage. Sure, you've put resources into soda,
and look at your spool usage--you're actually
being responsible with it. I'd bet that that
majority of hte names there haven't given squat to
soda. (surprised to see blojo up there)
\_ an 18GB disk for mail would allow an
average spool size of 7MB (2600 passwd
entries). Considering that there's not
a single mail spool larger than that now,
we're looking at years and years before
even actively irresponsible usage could
fill it. -tom
\_ Great. So why don't we just purchase the
disk and be done with it. Anyone?
\_ Fascinating. 8.5% of the population consume 50% of the wealth.
15% consume about wealth. This is fine of course unless the spool
runs out of space.
\_ Fascinating. 8.5% of the population consume 50% of the space.
15% consume about 50% of the space. This is fine of course unless
the spool runs out of space.
\_ Space consumption always has a skewed distribution.
\_ Can't we just have a quota system with slightly smaller mail-spool
limits? Most people would be fine with it...
\_ I propose we adjust all mail user agents and delivery agents to
put the users' mail spools in their home directories, so that we
dont have this double mail spool/disk usage problem. -ERic
\_ Just make a link from /var/mail/foo to ~foo/mbox or such? -- yuen
\_ they do this where I work, and it leads to more dropped mail
and related problems because of the relative instability of
home mounts to the mail server, common home file overfills,
etc.
\_ soda's home directories arent remote-mounted.
\_ I think mail-in-home-dir is a reasonable setup but it
doesn't really help the problem of inadequate disk space.
In fact it's worse because people filling up their home
directories with coding projects will hoze mail. -tom |
| 2000/1/17-19 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll, Uncategorized/Profanity] UID:17251 Activity:high |
1/17 anyone know any good frequencies in berkeley besides
460.175, 488.250, 460.250, 460.050, and 460.025? Or what freq. the
UC police use? Or task force? --sky
\_ Scanning? How dull. Please.
\_ y34h!^(! sK4nNiNg iS f0r Lu$eRz(*!^! r34l sTuDz h4Ck LyNuCkz.
--sky
\_ Scanning is like reading other people's email. Dull.
Hacking linux is something less than 1% of linux users are
actually doing. The bulk are loading RPMs written by
others and calling themselves hackers.
\_ Listening to police frequencies is dull. Sitting
in prison is even more dull. QED --sky
\_ Dude you ar leik sutch the s00per kriminal that u
have a skannar to av0id da fuZZ yet you don't even
fucking know what freqs they use and need to ask on
the motd? U R S0 KEWEL!!!!!@!@!@11
\_ I never tripped on police until being arrested
a few days ago. After seeing how sucky it
is to be stuck in Santa Rita, I decided to take
things a bit more seriously. And this was the
same night I was visiting a friend in Santa
Rita who got busted when the house
he was at was raided by oakland police, the
Alameda DA, and the FBI. I have the BPD freq's
but I need the freq's for task as they are
the d00ds that roll up on you when you get
raided. And as there are lots of other paranoid
freaks on soda, I thought someone should know.
So kindly shut the fuck up before
I send over some very large ex cons to your
house to rearrange your furnature. -- not sky
\_ D00d yur leik s0 k00l getin bustid bi da
EF Bee EYE!!11 leik u tript on da man! U
B K00l wit da Br0z!11 In short, you're a
fucking poser and a loser and no one wants
to hear how many cons took your geek ass in
prison. And oh yeah, did I forget to
mention how impressed I am that a Cal alum
or student managed to get arrested? BFD.
That takes real brains in a town where you
can smoke a joint in public in the pre-med
marijuana days and no one blinked. Go
snuggle up with your con lover buddies and
get the fuck off the motd. -- also not sky
\_ Heh. If you are so sure I am a poser,
why dont you post your name in the motd?
whats wrong? Afraid if you signed your
name everyone would laugh at
your false male bravado? I suspect you
are tom, in which case you will be
forgiven because you are cursed with
perpetual PMS, but if you are not, all I
can say is you better back the fuck up
before you get smacked the fuck up,
bitch
- sky
\_ Mostly, I would guess it's because
the guy doesn't want to go to the
trouble of writing a kill-file or
mail filter to screen your
stoopid-ass prepubescent messages
straight into /dev/null. dumbfuck.
\_ I sign my posts. But you are a
fucking loser. -tom
\_ Idiot. *I* wasn't the one stomping
around claiming to be a homey in
need of a scanner so I don't go back
to being the anal love child of the
bay area prison system. You're a
loser and a poser and for only the
second time in my life I agree 100%
with Tom. "I am sky da home boy wit
da poh-leese skannah and I ahm gunna
smack y00 da fuck up da hed!" Child,
grow up. It's dull and stupid and
there's nothing "kewel" about going
to prison, getting raped in prison
or "smack the fuck up, bitch". I
only a silly scared child when I
read your drivel. --not as kewel a
homeboy as sky the mighty wit da
poh-leese skannah
\_ Oh *please*. Linux is *so* last week. *Nobody* who's
*anybody* does *that* anymore.
\_ yah. we're all running palmOS on crusoe devices.
\_ Oh *please*. PalmOS is so *yesterday*. *Nobody*
who's *anybody* does *that* anymore. |
| 2000/1/14-2/25 [Computer/SW/SpamAssassin, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:17237 Activity:high 66%like:18076 |
1/14 Troll killed.
\_ Out of curiousity, where did the term "troll" come from?
And "spam"? I see no relationship between ham and unwanted email.
\_ Out of curiousity, where did the term "troull" come froum?
And "spam"? I see no relatiounship between ham and unwanted email.
\_ try harder. |
| 1999/12/27 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:17105 Activity:nil 50%like:16578 |
12/27 Peace in our time. This motd nuked to keep sanity alive.
\_ Did you post this from the future? |
| 1999/12/21-23 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:17079 Activity:high |
12/21 does /csua/tmp gets cleaned whenever soda reboots? Or via a cron
job? How do we get some of these huge (and quite old) files off the
system?
\_ It gets cleared when it fills and someone gets bored enough to mail
all the people who've forgotten they left their crap there. But,
since there's plenty of space there now, why do you care?
\_ Some people just are curious. And just because there's plenty
of space now doesn't mean there always will be.
\_ an issue that will be delt with when it is the case
\_ Sloppy sysadmining due to "lots of space" is no excuse. A cron
job that wipes files older than X days is trivial. I care
because this raises questions about how soda is admin'd in other
ways. I don't keep anything important here but soda itself is.
\_ you are a moron. --aaron
\_ actually a cron job that wipes files older than X days
that isn't a massive security hole is far from trivial -tom
\_ are you talking about linking files like /etc/passwd
into some link in /tmp?
\_ chown nobody:nobody /csua/tmp and run cron job as nobody.
\_ there are subdirectories. chowning them all is
not really an option (and has its own security
problems). -tom
\_ Uh huh. Because I'm not sloppy? No one would sign something
that stupid. You can't be aaron.
\_ This just proves it even more --pld
\_ You're missing the point of /csua/tmp - stuff is supposed
to stay there longer than a couple of days, as long as
everyone plays nicely.
\_ Having a cron job to wipe files older than X days is just
going to make the /csua/tmp diskhosers set up cron jobs to
touch their files every X-1 days. It's a stupid idea. -ERic
\_ tom can easily figure out how to do it perfectly.
\_ tom already pointed out that it is difficult to do
properly. get a clue. |
| 1999/12/6-7 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:17015 Activity:high 66%like:17010 |
12/5 When are soda accounts turned off?
\_ The day after finals.
\_ Why the _FUCK_ are you asking this on the Soda motd? Cripes,
get a cl00. --sowings
\_ Have you tried reading the login messages on your class account
or <DEAD>www-inst.eecs<DEAD> ?
\_ never if you mean "csua.soda" ones, but i think you mean "class"
accts. see above.
\_ Correction: your soda account can be shut down for
various reasons, all of which are in the various
policy docs under /csua/share and /csua/adm -- but
soda accounts do not have any built-in time limits.
-brg
\_ You mean my account isn't automatically shutoff when I
get enough Twink Points from the Twink God????
\_ No, but Your English sure soundsdumb. Maybe you
should English Classes and learn how to writeit???
\_ You're hypocrticalness iz shownig everyne that
Your just stupid and my english wuz better then
You'rez so you just shutup. In fact, my English
was perfect. Please check with your 3rd grade
teacher before posting on the motd about someone
else's spelling, grammar, or syntax. Thanks.
Play again, Yes/no? Insert coin to continue.... |
| 1999/11/30-12/1 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:16971 Activity:high |
11/31 Right. So basically I went to the ASUC meeting. I'm suppoesd to
inform any active csua members that if they are suspicsious of
any cult activity of this student group, then there is a Cult
Awerness Officer which the CAL/SAS has that will investigate any
Cult Activity. There. I've told you. - paolo
\_ Dude, my cousin's wedding was in a Clam building.
\_ does anyone else see the irony of Sodans talking about cults?
\_ No. Please explain.
\_ I am a Sodan of the Third Wheel. Are you in need of a Squishing?
\_ What is the definition of a cult? Aren't pretty much all
religions cults? For example, what would you call a group
of people who get together and pretend to drink their ex-leaders
blood and eat his body? The same group also think that their
current leader talks directly to their God. Would you call
this group a Cult or would you call them Catholics? Are the
ASUC going to investigate all the religious groups on campus?
\_ I would call them orthodox catholic and therefore not a cult.
\_ If it's big then it must be true. If it's small it must be a
Satan spawned cult until it grows big at which point it must be
true.
\_ There's one on the corner of Dana and Haste. They call themselves
a religious co-op. Co-op my ass. I got invited to dinner by
them. They were preaching to me to join their fucked up little
world. Damn fools need a beating. They keep following me around
on campus.
\_ Why would you go to a free dinner at a bible meeting? What the
fuck did you think was going to happen? Free sex and drugs? I
have zero sympathy for your dumb ass.
\_ who said i accepted the dinner you dumbshit?
\_ maybe you should with that curse'd tongue of yours-Ma Teresa
\_ i used to have a couple freinds there. if you ignore their
crazy religious crap, it is actually a very functional co-op.
after living in the USCA, i would have to say that except
for the religion, the usca could learn alot from them about
how to run good student housing at reasonable prices and
have everyone actually do their share. this pattern can
be seen throughout history: the only people who can make
crazy experiments in communal living actually work are religious
nuts. eg amana, oneida, the shakers etc.
\_ also no hazing. I don't know if a requirement of a knowledge
of unix can be classified as hazing (I mean they had some pretty
broad definitions in the packet (yes there's a 15 pg packet)
all of which are completely subjective (with words like
"personal" "degredation" "humiliation"). I suppose then it's
good that most people turn off the motd and don't wall because
i think that may be classified as hazing. So people, don't haze!
\_ I want to be the first to go on record that I tihnk the csua has
definate cult activity. Hell, I'll even go so far as to call it
Cult Activity. IS the Cult Awareness Officer required to justify
his or her capital letters and investigate now? -aspo
\_ Arrgghh. Look, I'm _required_ to report to the CAO if
any current member suspects cult activity. I don't want to
do that.
\_ all those capitals! Think of it! What exactly happens if
they investigate? -aspo
\_ They execute obnoxious assholes like you I think. It was
somewhere in the back of the 15 pages.
\_ even better -aspo
\_ alas no, remember this is berkeley, home of the PC
and the "convenience free" zone. So if anything, they'll just make
life hard for the csua, alums and undergrads alike, something i don't
think anyone here wants. - paolo
\_ Nov 31? Nov 30? Are we getting ahead of ourselves? (its Nov 29)
\_ When they say, "The plane is on fire, the engine is dead, we're
all going to die!" Do you say, "What color is my luggage?"
- alum
\_ Yes. I like to know that I'm going out in style.
\_ Not to mention there is no Nov 31.
\_ CalLUG is definitely a cult. I insist you report them immediately
Paolo. Maybe that will keep your moronic ass out of our hair.
World-Wide Web Access Statistics for the Unification Home Page at <DEAD>www.cais.com<DEAD>
[deleted for being totally pointless and context free] |
| 1999/11/16-17 [Academia/Berkeley, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:16897 Activity:high |
11/16 Trevor Buckingham strikes again! ucb.class.cs61c titled "WHAT?".
How do we kick him out of the major? He's got to have violated
some university policies with those postings.
\_ Better to let him stay in the major. He'll be a minor PITA to
the professors as he moves through the system, but he'd be a
better example on the inside than litigant if thrown out.
\_ I read his post which is filled with explitives and insults.
Clearly this kind of post is unprofessional and unproductive.
However, some of his arguments make sense. Also, when I was
taking the the 61 series I thought the tests were poorly written.
I find it easy to believe that someone who knows computer science
very well could fail to do well on a 61[abc] test. -alum
\_ I didn't read his post but anyone babbling expletives on a public
university newsgroup reserved for class use should be shot and
forgotten. They're doing more harm than good by making others with
similar complaint get dismissed out of hand and rightly so. The
world isn't fair. Berkeley isn't fair. Shit isn't fair. Tough
shit. Deal with it. That's the lesson Berkeley teaches you. It
isn't about classes and midterms. -other alum
\_ Maybe you learned to be passive and weak at Berkeley, but that
doesn't make it Berkeley's "lesson".
\_ YA VOL! SIEG HEIL! HEIL! SIEG HEIL! Yes my brother
we can begin Das Final Solution! Kill the weak and
the jews!
\_ No, I learned to pick my battles and how to fight them.
Going off like a babbling moron on a class newsgroup isn't
being strong and non-passive. It's just plain stupid.
There's no other word for it except synonyms for "stupid".
Call yourself the mighty slayer of bad tests and a force
for change all you like but ranting like a whiney moron
child will not change anything and might make it worse.
The Berkeley lesson, in part, is how to deal with life.
Dealing with life successfully *never* includes childish
ranting. Maybe on your planet or in your mind but not on
the planet most of us hail from. Nice ad hominen sans
backing, btw. What would *you* say the lesson is? That
one should make a complete jackass of one's self anytime
things don't go entirely one's way? Anyway, 61abc aren't
about "knows computer science very well". Until you've
gotten into some of the higher level Ugrad and Grad courses,
you're not doing computer science; you're just hitting
buttons and trying not to get weeded out.
\_ For many majors at Berkeley, you're not here to learn.
You're just another cow with a number. More often than
not, it's just a survival contest. I can fairly say
this after grad. school when you tend to really find out
the kind of jerks your profesors are. They could
care less about your difficulties in class. - bitter alum
\_ Bingo. I was staff, not a grad student and all the
profs made it pretty clear the undergrads meant
nothing and the grad students were just slave labor.
Staff was just a tool. At least I had a nice stable
low paying job until I woke up. Anyone who thinks
Berkeley is about "learning" anything except basic
survival is a complete fool. Maybe it's different
in some tiny worthless major without any students,
but there's a reason they don't have any.
\_ I'm curious: how did the profs make it clear?
\_ After 3 semesters here, I fail to see what all this
flaming is based on. Yes, profs are busy; often too
busy to spend countless hours on students -- but where
on earth did you get the idea that you're entitled to this?
University education never was, and never will be, one on
one tutoring. I, for one, can testify to the fact that
I'm learning, and learning at the highest rate that _my_
physical limitations allow. That, to me, is a necessary
AND sufficient litmus test for what I would call an
education. Now PLEASE explain to me (without references
to gay sex) why someone would complain. The generic "profs
don't give a shit" doesn't cut it, unless you can explain
to me why that has hurt your education. -zyqqh |
| 1999/11/10 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:16857 Activity:nil |
__/~*##$%@@@******~\-__
/f=r/~_-~ _-_ --_.^-~--\=b\
4fF / */ .o ._-__.__/~-. \*R\
/fF./ . /- $$$$$$ \_ * *\ *\R\
(iC.I+ '| - $ ^ L^ $- \ ) ) )|RB
(I| ( [ / $ \__/ $ ) /_/ | *)B
(I(. \ `` \ $$$$$$ ~__/ )_ .-~ F/
\b\\=_.\_b`-+-~x-_/ .. ,._/ , F/
~\_\= = =-*###%#x==-# *=- =/
~\**U/~ | i i | ~~~\===~
| I I \\
/ // i\ \\
( [ (( I@) ))) )
\_\_VYVU_/
|| * |
| * *\
/* /I\ *~~\
/~-/* / \ \ ~~M~\
____----=~ // /WVW\* \|\ ***===--___
MOTD NUKED
HAVE A NICE DAY
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/f=r/~_-~ _-_ --_.^-~--\=b\
4fF / */ .o ._-__.__/~-. \*R\
/fF./ . /- /' /|/| \_ * *\ *\R\
(iC.I+ '| - *-/00 |- \ ) ) )|RB
(I| ( [ / -|/^^\ | ) /_/ | *)B
(I(. \ `` \ \m_m_|~__/ )_ .-~ F/
\b\\=_.\_b`-+-~x-_/ .. ,._/ , F/
~\_\= = =-*###%#x==-# *=- =/
~\**U/~ | i i | ~~~\===~
| I I \\
/ // i\ \\
( [ (( I@) ))) )
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|| * |
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| 1999/10/24-28 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:16759 Activity:low |
10/23 Opportunities in SoCal for computer saavy people with Library
interest/experience (the kind with books in it, not the kind you
link into a program): see /csua/pub/jobs/RiversideLibrary --dbushong
\_ Uh, MS in Library Science? You gotta be kidding...
\_ No. MS in LS in hardcore. I'm *sure* _you_ couldn't earn
one. LS isn't about the Dewey Decimal system BS you learned
in 1st grade.
\_ No one is putting down MS in LS - but I doubt you'll
find anyone on soda other than cynthia who has one
and I doubt she wants to move to riverside after
just buying a house up here.
\_ College of Engineering is superior over ANY college in
Berkeley. ENGINEERING REWLS, YOU ALL SUCK!!!
\_ And knowledge of English is obviously not required
to get into Engineering.
\_ knowledge of english is overrated --pld
\_ Fuck English, speak PERL!
\_ Me fresh off boat make big engineer bucks,
go back China make China strong, beat evil
America into dirt!
\_ If "Engineering is superior over ANY college in
Berkeley" then is it "superior over" (love that
grammar) itself or has it seceded from the
University and moved out of Berkeley? You make
no sense. |
| 1999/10/21-22 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:16746 Activity:very high |
10/21 Hypothetical question:
If you replaced /etc/motd.public with a core file can you
get sorried?
__/~*##$%@@@******~\-__
/f=r/~_-~ _-_ --_.^-~--\=b\
4fF / */ .o ._-__.__/~-. \*R\
/fF./ . /- /' /|/| \_ * *\ *\R\
(iC.I+ '| - *-/00 |- \ ) ) )|RB
(I| ( [ / -|/^^\ | ) /_/ | *)B
(I(. \ `` \ \m_m_|~__/ )_ .-~ F/
\b\\=_.\_b`-+-~x-_/ .. ,._/ , F/
~\_\= = =-*###%#x==-# *=- =/
~\**U/~ | i i | ~~~\===~
| I I \\
/ // i\ \\
( [ (( I@) ))) )
\_\_VYVU_/
|| * |
| * *\
/* /I\ *~~\
/~-/* / \ \ ~~M~\
____----=~ // /WVW\* \|\ ***===--___
\_ Nuclear launch detected.
\_ Is there a way to replace segmentation fault message with
this ascii pic?
\_ yes.
\_ Ask yourself: is a core file a useful and informative message of
the day? Does it add value to anyone's soda experience? Or is it
just a desperate act of a squishable little prick? This isn't a
hypothetical question. It's a rhetorical question.
\_ By that definition, everyone should've been squished by now.
Of course, some things are more squishable than others.
\_ There's a huge difference between someone adding content
you think has zero quality and someone linking a binary
which has zero quality for everyone including the poster.
Only someone far too stupid to edit the motd would believe
a binary has content value to anyone. It's rhetorical.
__/~*##$%@@@******~\-__
/f=r/~_-~ _-_ --_.^-~--\=b\
4fF / */ .o ._-__.__/~-. \*R\
/fF./ . /- /' /|/| \_ * *\ *\R\
~\**U/~ | i i | ~~~\===~
| I I \\
(iC.I+ '| - *-/00 |- \ ) ) )|RB
(I| ( [ / -|/^^\ | ) /_/ | *)B
(I(. \ `` \ \m_m_|~__/ )_ .-~ F/
\b\\=_.\_b`-+-~x-_/ .. ,._/ , F/
| * *\
/* /I\ *~~\
~\_\= = =-*###%#x==-# *=- =/
____----=~ // /WVW\* \|\ ***===--___
~\**U/~ | i i | ~~~\===~ You know, wee totoro
| I I \\ do not appreciate this.
/ // i\ \\
( [ (( I@) ))) ) /
\_\_VYVU_/
|| * | |\|\
/* /I\ *~~\ | OO\
/~-/* / \ \ ~~M~\ | /^^\|
____----=~ // /WVW\* \|\ ***===--___ |_m_m/
\_ Nuclear launch detected.
\_ Is there a way to replace segmentation fault message with
this ascii pic?
\_ yes.
\_ signal(SIGSEGV, printnuke()); |
| 1999/10/1-4 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:16645 Activity:moderate |
9/30 Accidentally typed pin instead of pine. What exactly does it do?
no man pages available.
\_ It's a stupid csua annoyance for anyone who typos any of several
common commands that start with 'pin' such as ping and pine. It
might also possibly mark you as a pinhead to the low grade morons
who write such crap and stick it in default path location. Maybe
they find it funny. Maybe they find yermom jokes funny, too. Maybe
they think it gives the csua character or something. I dunno.
\_ Check out http://www.dinkumware.com
\_ Dikumware releases only the STL, no hash_table.
I know they provide an STL implementation, so they may provide
/csua/bin/pin
believe they're free source though. -dans
\_ Dikumware releases only the STL, no hash_table.
soda ~ > which pin
\_ Thats Viviana, dumbass. Go see Admiral Krag.
soda ~ > ll /csua/bin/pin
\_ no, it's Vyvvian you bastard, Go see Neil Edmondson
in "The Young Ones"
-rwxr-xr-x 1 danh contrib 102 Sep 16 20:09 /csua/bin/wal*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 danh contrib 3 Sep 14 16:29 /csua/bin/pin@ -> wal
\_ "Why do I always have to cook the lentils?"
\_ It marks you forever as a pinhead.
now Script munged motd blasted. Thank you for playing.
soda ~ > file /csua/bin/wal
/csua/bin/wal: ASCII text
soda ~ > ll /csua/bin/wal
\_ Should add: Turkey earthquake: 7.6, killed 15,000 people.
/csua/bin/wall y 2>&1 > /dev/null
/csua/bin/wal: ASCII text
\_
soda ~ > cat /csua/bin/wal
soda ~ > which pin
/usr/games/fortune /csua/lib/olestra/ll-lyrics.txt | /csua/bin/wall
\_ which is a long way of saying 'you are forever identified as a
pinhead'
\_ what is /csua/bin/rootshell? It seems to be a perl script
SIUD root.
\_ in case no one spelled out it for you, read the fucking source.
\_ Source? It's a stupid 2 line script. I wouldn't call that
'source'. It isn't even smart enough to check your current
wall status and set it back if you're not normally reading
the wall. It's a stupid hyuck hyuck moron script.
soda ~ > file /csua/bin/wal
/csua/bin/wal: ASCII text
/csua/bin/pin
lrwxrwxrwx 1 danh contrib 3 Sep 14 16:29 /csua/bin/pin@ -> wal
soda ~ > ll /csua/bin/pin
soda ~ > ll /csua/bin/wal
-rwxr-xr-x 1 danh contrib 102 Sep 16 20:09 /csua/bin/wal*
soda ~ > cat /csua/bin/wal
/usr/games/fortune /csua/lib/olestra/ll-lyrics.txt | /csua/bin/wall
/csua/bin/wall y 2>&1 > /dev/null |
| 1999/9/27-28 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:16607 Activity:high |
9/27 When's the next pburo meeting? The web's info is two weeks stale!
\_ shut the fuck UP, cmlee. -tom
\_ shut the fuck UP, tom. -!cmlee
\_ I see nothing wrong with people wanting to get involved and
asking when the next meeting is. Tom has forgotten this isn't
his personal playpen and some of us want to be a part of
something bigger than tom's wall rants and motd noise.
\_ SHUT THE FUCK UP, CMLEE
\_ Uh, *not* cmlee. Cmlee isn't the only person Tom has
problems with. In fact, Tom has deep seated and very
generalized socialization problems which are far worse
than his idiotic spat with cmlee. Tom, seek help. I
suggest something simple at first such as, "How to win
friends and influence people". You won't win any friends
with it, but maybe you'll see why you're so unlikable.
\_ you mean "how to win friends who are complete fucking
morons like this asshole who's too much of a fucking wimp
to sign his name to his insults, and influence idiots who
make psychological diagnoses about people they've never
met." -tom
\_ I'd go with "How to talk dirty and influence people"
I'm sure it is a much better read. -aspo
\_ I'm sure you would.
\_ wall != csua != politburo. Those interested in the piddly
dealings of politburo can go away.
\_ Uhm... ok whatever. So the csua motd isn't a good place to ask
about the timing of the csua politburo meeting? Where can I get
some of whatever you're smoking? |
| 1999/9/24-25 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:16590 Activity:kinda low |
9/24 CSUA meeting @ Gold Club in SF. Bring small bills.
\_ but yermom wanted something bigger than a five.
\_ small meaning 20's. |
| 1999/9/23 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:16578 Activity:nil 50%like:17105 80%like:17573 50%like:17580 |
1/1 Motd nuked!
\_ good job |
| 1999/9/14 [Uncategorized/Profanity, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:16517 Activity:high |
9/14 What the fuck is wrong with you idiots? Really, what's up?
Where you dropped as children? I really wanna know.
\_ Berkeley Rose Garden, GGP. But I only started dropping recently.
\_ the line for yermom is getting really long and we're all cranky
\_ there are three or four little boys on soda, being protected
by anonymity, feel free to act out |
| 1999/9/8 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:16483 Activity:insanely high |
9/8 lwall censorship: oh dear god, grow up, who cares? this is so
incredibly stupid. this is one of the better politburo's the csua
has seen and you want them to resign over some stupid crap about
your moron buddy getting his hand slapped for being an ass? go away.
-never been on politburo because doesn't want to deal with
selfish morons like you
\_ This is strictly a censorship issue. Is it in the best interest
of the CSUA to censor an individual based strictly on that
person's opinions? Without notify any interested parties?
If you have an opinion on this issue, I urge you to show up
at the politburo meeting this Monday. -- nickkral
person's opinions? Without notify any interested parties that
such an action was going to take place? If you have an opinion
on this issue, I urge you to show up at the politburo meeting
this Monday. -- nickkral
\_ well, it's more like he's already squished
-- nickkral
\_ Let democracy work its course. If someone can drum up enough
support to override politburo (yeah right, as if kchang has
that many friends left), let them. Otherwise shut the heck up.
\_ The politburo should ensure that public CSUA resources are
made available without fear of censorship or root punishment.
Arbritrary censorship actions by the politburo damage
\_ well, it's more like he's already squished
the CSUA in the long term. -- nickkral
\_ kchang must be laughing at the ruckus he's causing.
\_ kchang wrote me and said he is happy at the ruckus
he is causing |
| 1999/9/8-10 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:16481 Activity:high |
9/8 Next Politburo Meeting is Monday, Sept 13th, 7:00 pm, 337 Soda.
You are invited to discuss lwall censorship. Is censoring
lwall an appropriate action for the politburo? You decide.
-- nickkral
\_ is calling nickkral an idiot an approriate action? shit yeah. -tom
\_ So we can buy beers for the politburo that squished kchang
off lwall? I'm so there!
\_ Yes. Now fuck off. I've decided. Thanks for the opportunity.
\_ quit being a dick Tom. And sign your motd entry.
\_ why don't you, nickkral? -tom
\_ I'm not Tom and the lwall non-issue is stupid. Go fuck
yourself. -not tom
\_ oh yes you are..you major fucking twink.
\_ Not only am I not tom, I actively dislike tom b/c
he's an overly self important asshole, like you.
\_ tom always signs. #1 Tom Fan!!!
\_ What's "troller"? Thanks.
\_ You're a troller. |
| 1999/9/6 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:16472 Activity:very high |
9/5 Welcome to http://soda.csua.berkeley.edu. Property of the ASUC. The CSUA reserves the right to act like total jackasses. \_ Quick logical inference for ya: Only people with soda accounts can post to soda's motd. All people with soda accounts are CSUA members. Therefore, YOU are a CSUA member. This is where it gets a little uncertain, are you calling yourself a jackass, or simply reserving your right to be one? Tell ya what, let's drop the issue entirely, I'll just call ya a twink. \_ Dude, everyone in Berkeley is a total jackass. What's your point? \_ fuck off nickkral and sign yer name. ---lwall \_ I didn't write any of this. -- nickkral \_ and so? This machine is not property of the ASUC. get your facts straight kralebitch. \_ Who do you think owns it? Who do you think issued the donation receipts for all the alums who donated? \_ well, not that I myself would know anything, but ASUC officials have confirmed several times in the past that as far as they are concerned, soda.csua and it's brethren are for the CSUA to do with as the CSUA pleases as long as we abide by the usual campus regulations about our constitution and using it for commercial (as opposed to fund raising) activity and the like. Who do you think owns the OCF machines or the CalLUG machines? It's a CSUA machine through and through. --Jon Oh and sign your name twink. \_ Legally the ASUC owns the OCF machines, which is why we engrave them "Property of the ASUC." No, the ASUC isn't going to take them away, but they could if they wanted to. -alan- \_ The csua cant own anything. They don't exist as a legal entitry. Wrong again twink-boy! The CSUA as a legal entity _/ (with a bank account, etc.) predates ASUC! \_ Who cares? Why do any of you give a shit? -apathetic \_ The CSUA incorporated? Just because some twink opened an account with their SSN and the CSUA's name, does not make the CSUA a legal entity. \_ CSUA UBER ALLES! HKN IST CSUA! ASUC IST CSUA! CS DEPT IST CSUA!! UCSEE IST CSUA! LIEBENSCRAUM! HEUTE DIE WELT, MONNEN DAS SONNENSYSTEM! SIEG HEIL! HEIL CSUA! HEIL MIKEH! - nickkral \_ It's "liebensraum", du Quatschkoph. --Jon |
| 1999/8/30-9/1 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll, Computer/SW/Security] UID:16435 Activity:high |
8/30 Is there any possibility that politburo will reconsider their policy
concerning ftp? Too, we are unable to understand why POP3 access is ok
\_ shut up, ikiru
whereas those of us who have a tough time comprehending s/key ftp
have to suffer. Plain text passwds are sent willy nilly via pop are they
not?
\_ Before you can begin to expect consistent policy from CSUA
leadership, you need to exhibit consistent policy with your
margins in the motd
\_ The real answer is that since this is all done on a voluntary basis,
they don't have time to lock down everything at once. Your gripe
that you're being unfairly treated while pop folks are somehow
allowed to continue violating basic security concepts is ill
conceived. Expect that in time *all* of the incredibly lame
services including pop will be either secured or disabled in time.
services including pop will be either secured or disabled.
If the csua was run by full time staff getting paid to do so, I'm
sure this would have happened a long time ago. kudos to root and
any of root's elves who helped for putting in the time required and
biting the bullet from the whiners with zero security clue.
\_ Mikeh and the rest of root staff rock!
off POP3 for the foreseeable future (> 1 year). Turning off POP3
\_ POP3 is cleartext; there will be no solution other than turning
off POP3 for the foreseeable future (> 1 year).
\_ APOP is trivial to implement, and not cleartext. -tom
\_ does APOP work with everyone's favorite GUI mail reader, or
will they be bombarding root@csua with "My Outlook 95 doesn't
work anymore? Is e-mail b0rken?" My assumption was that
widespread conformance to encrypted POP won't happen in < 1
year. In regards to threads below, I eventually foresee
turning off POP3, turning on APOP, and sending a mass e-mail to
all CSUA members informing them of this and pine|elm|etc. and
.forward.
Turning off POP3
\_ no, ED IS!
ED! ED! ED IS THE STANDARD! answer
would piss enough people off of anything I can imagine. POP3
cleartext is THE way to sniff pw's. S/Key and ssh are a)
steps in the right direction, and b) get the userbase accustomed
to security annoyances. The reasoning is suspect, but for me
it's not something to put up a fight about since I believe I
understand the pros and cons. I look forward to non-availability
of POP3 script-kiddie port sniffers. -non-Politburo sodan
\_ Tough shit for the whining pop3 masses. Let them forward their
mail or read it locally. I don't want to see soda broken into
because some pop twits are too lazy to do the right thing.
\_ then get off YOUR lazy ass and find an alternative. Oh,
and PINE is not the answer.
\_ *I* don't have a security problem reading my mail. If
you're one of those whining security clueless pop users,
the problem is yours, not mine. *You* need to find an
answer, not me. Go look at APOP if you simply *must*
use soda as your mail server. I'm not lazy at all. I
already solved this problem for myself years ago, thanks.
\_ Then when i crack your account by sniffing your passwd
and then bring down the internet with my elite hacking
and the blame all falls on you, ! H0P3 U $+!lL (@N Sl33P
@ |\|!6H+...
\_ D00d, th@t p05t3r uz3z 55H! U l00z3!
\_ ED ED IS THE STANDARD!
\_ install unix it will cure cancer and bring you the
magical mystical gold at the end of the rainbow
\_ No, idiot. You can't sniff my password. My pw
never goes out in clear text. You won't be cracking
my pw anytime soon. It's *your* password I don't
want cracked. |
| 1999/8/29-31 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:16425 Activity:high |
8/28 Every once in a while, emails in my pine that come from @csua people
have "holes" in them. That is, in the inbox listing, there are blanks
where there would normally be the from, subject, size, etc. info.
But the actual email content is still there. Help! What's going on?
\_ The problem is you're using the wrong mail client.
\_ ED! ED! ED IS THE STANDARD! MAIL READER!
\_ /bin/cat $MAIL
\_ ~tmonroe/bin/one-true-mail-reader
\_ ~tmonroe/bin/<*CENSORED*>
\_ Get a life.
that's ~tmonroe/bin/one-true-mail-reader
that's ~tmonroe/bin/<*CENSORED*>
PO Box 9452
Golden, CO 57643
\_ NO! - defender of newbies
[dangerous bullshit deleted. it was cruel and stupid to post it in
the first place. yes, I plan to keep deleting this until this
entire thread is removed by others.]
\_newbies, don't try this. whoever wrote that line is malicious and
should be ashamed of him/her/itself.
\_ anyone who tries a command line posted to the motd without
finding out what it does first deserves whatever they get.
\_ no. this is what being a newbie is all about. by their
nature as newbie's, they don't know any better. this is
a perfectly appropriate warning. you need to dump the 'tude.
\_ the person who put the evil command in the motd is laughing
at you now
\_ I wonder if this is related to the thing where email
with the return address of http://csua.berkeley.edu is changed
to http://CSUA.Berkeley.EDU somewhere after the message is sent?
\_ uh, no. |
| 1999/8/24 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:16381 Activity:nil 50%like:17550 |
8/23 Troll about deleting trolls deleted. Thank you for playing. |
| 1999/8/23 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:16379 Activity:nil |
8/23 Why are we asking technical and personal questions on motd?
Do they relate to CSUA? No. We should implement a law delete
all trolls not related to CSUA. |
| 1999/8/21 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:16358 Activity:moderate |
8/21 sodomize kchang.
\_ been there, done that. |
| 1999/7/9 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:16088 Activity:nil |
You delete my troll, I delete all trolls. Damn, that was a good motd goin' on there. \_ This is eeriely reminiscent of kchang behaviour coupla years ago. |
| 1999/5/20 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:15845 Activity:high |
5/19 dwallach is now an assistant professor at rice? kewl. How about
a list of former-CSUA members and what they're doing now. [if you're
a l0ser ex-CSUA member please do not troll this list].
\_ the thing about former-CSUA members that you're missing is that
they are not CSUA members anymore, which means they dont post
to the motd. duh.
\_ glass microserf
\_ psb still here, still not graduated
\_ yeah, but psb is hardly former-CSUA. The guy is still around.
And !psb is alive and well at elections.
\_ philb sysadmin at a fortune 500 company
\_ yermom anything with a pulse
\_ whatever happened to adam?
\_ Which adam? glass? richter? diran?
\_ adam richter. login:adam
\_ Still sleeping with Pete Shipley.
\_ Is yggdrasil officially dead? |
| 1999/5/12-13 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:15799 Activity:low |
5/11 BERKELEY (Reuters) - Some idiot keeps flame baiting in the MOTD.
\_ No way? Political, religious, ethnic, sexist, and generally
offensive flame bait on the motd! Say it isn't so!
\_ I didn't know Reuters practice censorship.
\_ shut the fuck up, cmlee |
| 1999/5/4 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:15746 Activity:high |
5/4 Soda Censorship |
| 1999/3/17-18 [Uncategorized/Profanity, Finance/Investment, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:15601 Activity:low |
3/17 Or, as babelfish translates the motd.official:
The soda is not for warezhosen or mailspammen. Is easy
pissenoffen the rooten and overloaden barrier all with those fuck
youen and those yer momen. Is not for trades with the
majorfuckentwinken. Diskhoggen pornseeren keepen that bandwit
trousers hands in pockets must. Relaxen and watchen that barrier
Flemings. --dbushong
\_ geek
\_ No, geek is Eugene Kim |
| 1999/3/11 [Uncategorized/Profanity, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:15580 Activity:high 66%like:15562 |
3/11 Asshole anti-anti-censor's ""troll deleted" troll deleted" deleted.
\_ When they were talking about "nurturing your inner child" they
didn't mean all the time. Grow up. |
| 1999/3/6 [Computer/SW/Languages/Misc, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:15553 Activity:moderate 66%like:14977 75%like:15207 |
3/4 generic "troll deleted, -tom"
\_ This should just be part of the motd update script. It should just
insert a few "Troll delete. -tom" messages at random to make him
feel big. |
| 1999/3/5 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:15549 Activity:nil |
3/5 All the moronic "Troll delete" nonsense purged. If you feel the
need to delete something, just fucking do it. Don't wave your penis
around and take your ball home after screaming, "I delete the troll!
Nyah!" No one knows wtf you deleted so you're just making the motd
as hard to read as the so-called trolls.
\_ The troll knows. |
| 1999/3/5-5/15 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Aspolito] UID:15548 Activity:very high |
5/14 Generic Troll -John
\_ generic beer
\_ Generic yermom response
\_ generic response whining in insulting terms about trolls!
\_ generic inclusion of references to generic soda "babe"
\_ generic rejoinder that those looking for babes on soda
(of either sex) are looking in the wrong place.
\_ generic personal testimony about random soda user's
qualifications to be listed as a "babe"
\_ Generic "You dont do things the way I do hence you are an idiot
and please dont post until you see that I am superior" post.
-generic lack of signing
\_ generic off-topic flame having to do with the previous poster's
ability to configure some kind of software or understanding of
the computer industry
-signed in a way that has no relation to my login or real name
\_ Generic "Fucking geek! *Real* people don't have to talk
about computers all the time in an effort to show their
superiority! When are you going to get a life, loser?"
response from some loser English-major type who's trying to
imply (even though he somehow got a soda account and is
posting to the MOTD) that he's morally superior, has a life,
and is non-geekly
\_ insulting comments about relative salaries of tech and
non-tech fields...overuse of "fuck" and "twink".
\_ Generic comment on indifference to this thread
- generic tom
\- Generic intellectual comment by partha. -generic psb
\_ Generic flame about partha and his responses.
\_ Generic psb is god response. Do not taunt the psb.
psb is da man. -generic psb #1 fan
\_ non generic comment about bleeding assholes
- aspo
\_ Generic flame about how *nix is better than windows and you're
an idiot for using M$ products. My dick is bigger than your
dick kind of flame.
\_ generic reply how this is the real world and you should get
a clue.
\_ Bill Gates and M$ is compared to Hitler and the Nazis.
\_ All argument is over once Hitler is mentioned.
\_ not the argument, just any useful content.
\_ as opposed to the rest of this thread
\_ G3N3R1K B1FF1ZM, D00D!!!!!1!!!!1! B1FF RUL3Z, 1N A G3N3RUL
S0RT UV WAY!!!1!!
\_ Generic comments about money, working out, and breasts. -ax |
| 1999/1/20 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:15258 Activity:nil 75%like:15257 |
1/19 Censorship reversed. Get a [censored] life. |
| 1999/1/19-29 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:15254 Activity:nil |
1/18 Trolls deleted. |
| 1999/1/15-17 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:15237 Activity:moderate |
1/13 tpipe installed in /csua/bin for your fun and enjoyment --jon
\_ what is that?
\_ read the fucking manpage
\_ % man tpipe
% No manual entry for tpipe
You elitist fuck!
\_ it's there. yer manpath has problems.
\_ hint: /xx/yy/bin -> /xx/yy/man
\_ what's the difference between /csua/bin and /usr/local/bin? |
| 1998/12/18 [Recreation/Computer/Games, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:15124 Activity:insanely high 80%like:14247 80%like:15861 |
12/17 Shut the fuck up, cmlee.
\_ this is grown tedius. Both of you toms shut the heck up.
\_ Children's games are always tedius
CUZ OF YOU. I CAN"T TAKE IT ANYMORE!!!1!!! YOU HAPPY NOW??? - CM1LE
\_ Children's games are always tedius. So are their temper
tantums, personal motd flame wars of no interest to anyone,
and their heavy handed censorship of anything not of direct
personal interest. -jake
\_ jake, please get tom off my back. btw, he is
a ucb sysadmin. -- cm1ee, very distressed.
\_ ALIRHGT TOM, YOU WIN< YOU MOTHERFUCKER> I AM QUITTING CSUA
CUZ OF YOU. I CAN"T TAKE IT ANYMORE!!!1!!! YOU HAPPY NOW??? - CM1EE
\_ hey I never knew cmlee was B1FF!!!1!! |
| 1998/12/17 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:15115 Activity:nil |
12/16 Tom, maybe you should consider just biting the bullet and cease
deleting what you consider trolls so this whole issue can just die?
Maybe you've noticed that the bulk of noise on the motd is related
to your troll deletion; far more noise than the trolls themselves.
I think this is a case of the cure being worse than the illness. |
| 1998/11/19-27 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:14977 Activity:nil 66%like:14434 66%like:15553 57%like:15562 |
11/18 troll deleted |
| 1998/10/25-26 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:14826 Activity:high |
10/25 Can someone explain why after trying to exterminate these no good
American Indians that took **our** land, we are now giving
them a chance to get rich w/ the stupid Indian Casinos? Why do
we give a danh about their self reliance?
\_ what does danh have to do with this?
\_ "If you have to ask..."
\_ what does danh have to do with this?
\_ This is the most odd troll I've seen in months. Indians took
what land from who? You're broken. Seek help, troll.
\_ um, it's not a troll. it's called "sarcasm". look it up.
\_ What part of "sovereign nation" don't you
understand? - danh
\_ I know what sarcasm is. Racism and other forms of
stupidity and hatred are so common on the motd I figured
this was just one more. This wasn't sarcasm. |
| 1998/10/14-1999/5/14 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:14773 Activity:moderate 57%like:15562 |
12/15 Troll deleted.
\_Very nice - you CS major you :)
\_ Troll deleted II.
\_ Why do you delete my opinions?
\_ I don't delete your opinions, I delete your trolls.
\_ hey , I didn't get to read the troll & flame him (ok 1% chance her)
But it is correct English to use "him" _____/
\_ put it back you twink.i want to read it.
\_ I tell you what, I don't like anonymous censors even more. -jctwu
\_ jctwu needs to be sodomized.
\_ I don't know what to say, other than if there are
ppl that reasonlessly trash mogul and like every
other innocent post on the motd, there is somebody
who would say "jctwu needs to be sodomized". -jctwu
\_ mogul is too powerful, and we fear him
\_ Thanks Tom! I'm that much safer now! My mind is clear of unpure
thoughts!
\_ if you delete all the trolls, the motd will be empty!
\_ If trolls are made illegal, then only criminals will troll.
\_ in many cases, that would be an improvement.
\_ turn off brain, go to sleep. Life without conflict is death.
\_ again??
\_ yes, amazing that the idiot keeps putting his stupid troll back.
\_ Why do you care that anyone trolls the motd? If morons didn't
take the bait every god damned time, there'd be no trolls. |
| 1998/9/25-26 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:14679 Activity:high |
9/25 Today's edition of Famous People Sorried on the CSUA:
wjolitz:*:2265:100:William F. Jolitz:/home/w/wjolitz:/csua/adm/bin/sorry
\_ How did that happen?
\_ years ago
\_ How did that happen?
\_ None of your business.
grep sorry /etc/passwd | wc -l
188
\_That's a lot of people to be squished. What did they do?
\_ Asked too many stupid questions invading other's privacy.
(In other words: NONE OF YOUR FUCKING NOSY BUSINESS.) |
| 1998/9/25-26 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:14669 Activity:very high |
9/26 Just a quick update announcement: tom still has no penis. thanks
\_ shut up, shin. -tom
\_ what are you going to do - release the hounds? or the bees?
or the hounds that shoot bees when they bark? well, go
ahead.
\_ shake shake shake, shake shake shake, shake your booty,
shake your booty.
\_ I'm not going to do anything, except expose you for
the censoring coward that you are. Of course other people
have been squished for continually munging the MOTD. -tom
\_ You geek, that was an allusion to the Simpsons.
\_ How can a person be "squished" for doing anything to
the MOTD?
\_ chsh <user> /usr/local/bin/sorry
grep sorry /etc/passwd | wc -l
188
\_That's a lot of people to be squished. What did they do?
\_ That's /csua/adm/bin/sorry, fool. --root
\_ what is this program? all i got was a
message saying my account was turned off.
\_ you think that message magically appeared?
the sorry program shows you a message
\_ Another quick update; shin is still a fucking coward, not to
mention an immature loser (penis jokes?) -tom
telling you why go to away and then sends
you away. moron.
\_ This the reason kchang got (thankfully) sorried?
\_ none of your business
\_ There needs to be a motd.rant and a motd.help or some
other breakdown of motd.public
\_ Does that matter to you? -shin
\_ motd.fuck.you
\_ Oh well, I can always use OCF... -shin
\_ only for now, OCF accounts go away after you
graduate, CSUA ones don't
\_ That's why I wanna have my WWW page on
CSUA. So that she will be able to keep
in touch with me after my graduation.
\_ she?
\_ CSUA is a Penis-Free Zone.
\_ Therefore is Babe-Free Zone
\_ Nah - we've got a nice collection of lesbian babes.
\_ Wannabe-pseudo-college-lesbians. Not real
lesbians. More like "lesbian for the week".
\_ that makes them way hotter. "real" lesbians
are psycho-millitant freaks. The wannabes are
just going through a "sexual awakening"
\_ Or maybe they're just claiming to be
lesbians to keep away the pathetically
desperate geeks who troll around here.
\_ No way. Experimental college "lesbians"
are a big turn on. I troll for lesbians. |
| 1998/9/4-5 [Politics/Domestic/Immigration, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:14542 Activity:moderate |
9/3 Boredcast Message from soda!lwall () at 16:22 ...
From: kchang@autobahn.org
psb: your coworkers asian stupid "oh psb immigrants THE MAN! He knows
Greek mythology asian stupid lila. He immigrants god."
\_ Was there an English phrase in there?
\_ Who cares about English. Was there ANYTHING comprehensible
in any language in there.
\_ Oh lord that was fun. Squish me now, I've had my fun.
\_ SHUT UP AARON
\_ heheh.. foolish, arrogant mortal. |
| 1998/9/2-5 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:14536 Activity:high |
9/2 Anyone up for Ice Skating tomorrow (thursday) evening? If so, meet at
Berkeley Iceland at ~7:30. Open hours are from 7:30-10:30.
Price (with rental) is $5.00 with student ID, $7.50 without.
-nweaver
\_ whats the occasion?
\_ She did yermom and yersis and wants to share his experiences
\_ I'd like to see a TV ad for Geeks on Ice.
\-give blood, play broomball. --psb
\_ I gave blood and went running. Close enough? -PeterM
\_ You all missed out. 2 soda people, 4 non-soda people,
3 male, 3 female. --PeterM
\_ Interesting way of counting. --alawrenc
\_ so, 1 non-soda male?
\_ By definition, there are no "soda females".
\_ Being a soda female, I beg to differ.
\_ You can beg. It won't change cold hard reality.
\_ Soda females, yes. Soda babes, no.
\_ Take some basic anatomy classes and try again.
Thank you for playing.
\_ last time i checked, i was pretty
darned female... -lila
\_ hang on a minute, let *me* check...
\_ I've checked. "She" is wrong. |
| 1998/9/1-3 [Politics/Domestic/California, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:14533 Activity:high |
9/1 Check out famous CSUA alumnus Bret "mogul" Mogilefsky on
page 19 of this month's California Monthly.
\_ Cool! Where do I get my copy!? -mogul
\_ What does this dude do again?
\_ Play with sock monkeys and hit old machines with
the csua bat. -John
\_ He's the little known right hand man to George Lucas,
the "mogul" of LucasArts (hence the nickname).
\_ I wish! I'm the lead programmer on the game Grim
Fandango. -mogul
\_ When's it coming out? Looks fucking badass from
the previews I've seen
\_ sorry, but 'mogul' predates his lucasarts employment
\_ I only attended one meeting, and after seeing a white
guy swinging a bat around menacingly, that was my last.
\_ Racist prick. If it was some nigger with a bat,
that'd be ok?
\_ Sheesh, I was kidding. But now I hope I offended
you and only you.
\_ I too am deeply offended that you chose not
to participate in the CSUA due to the
organization's President being Caucasian.
There is no place for such racism in this
organization. Please go fuck yourself with
a splintery broom. -Offended Whitey
\_ "Cerebrally ambidextrous." Man, it's so easy to impress the
yokels. -mogul |
| 1998/7/7 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:14293 Activity:moderate 80%like:13761 |
7/7 MOTD nuker nuked
-- The Evil 4am MOTD Nuker Nuker What Nukes the Midnight MOTD
Nuker at 4am
\_ Uhm, yeah, whatever. This is fucking stupid.
\_ yo mama |
| 1998/6/10-11 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:14195 Activity:nil 66%like:14335 |
6/10 Trolls SUCK.
\_ I like trolls. What do you have against short people? Don't forget
about all the good things they do for us, like the time that the
Seven Trolls saved Snow White from the wicked witch . . .
\_ so you like jsl? |
| 1998/5/28 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:14145 Activity:moderate |
5/27 Do people REALLY have to post such stupid trolls?
\_ Yes, because it makes people like you reply which is the whole
point of trolling. Think of it as a fishing expedition.
\_ No. Fishing you catch fish. Trolling you catch trolls. -John
\_ deleting a troll isn't responding to it.
\_ Sure it is. I love seeing that people have taken the
time and effort to delete my trolls. -troll
\_ takes less time than creating them. |
| 1998/5/13 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:14092 Activity:kinda low |
5/13 To the person erased all the messages yesterday-- because you are so
hotheaded that you think your opinion weighs more than ours, NO
MESSAGE WILL BE POSTED TODAY!!!!!!!!!!!!! I rather die than to be
controlled by a Soda naxi censorer.
\_ What's a naxi? And if your life is so pathetic that you're
going to spend all day monitoring the motd, maybe you
_should_ die.
\_ So you are going to become the Soda naxi censorer yourself.
\_ One message, and three responses so far! You're slipping!
\_ Still, why don't people delete things FIFO, rather than purging
the whole thing? (Four responses.)
\_ bah fuk you all i say nuke it every once in a while.. -shac
\_ Poopyhead. |
| 1998/4/19 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:13983 Activity:nil 80%like:13761 |
04/18 way outdated motd nuked
\_OH MY GOD! THEY KILLED THE MOTD!! YOU BASTARDS! |
| 1998/4/10 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:13934 Activity:nil |
4/10 ASUC is an anagram for CSUA. The top ten similarities between the
two are...
10. Top 10 lists are really stupid.
9. Each organization contains innumerable people who think that
Scott Bonds is a twink.
8. Neither organization is making money off of the ASUC store. |
| 1998/3/24-27 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:13855 Activity:moderate |
3/24 Obligatory monthly request for decent ISP. I'm in San Ramon.
I'd like a decent 33.6 connection. I don't care about web space,
shell access, etc. I just want clean net to Berkeley and the
rest of the world. A few bucks this way or that isn't important.
\_check out LanMinds (<DEAD>www.lanminds.com)--they're<DEAD> quite good.
(And their dialup number in San Ramon is 510-557-0601.) --icrew
LanMinds sucks!!!!!!!! took like THREE F*CKING days to get
our ISDN connection back up after that power outage last month
and when we first got our ISDN connection, we asked them what
our SPID was and they said "What's that?"
\_ You will NEVER get a clean connection to Berkeley due to Sprintnet.
Get a clue, STUPID.
\_ uh, I ftp from soda at over a hundred kb/sec. Seems pretty
clean to me. -- <DEAD>Mr.way-outside-of-berkeley.edu<DEAD>-domain
\_ But isn't it FUN to use AGGRESSIVE CAPITALIZATION and
call people STUPID, especially when you're being
ANONYMOUS???!??? I LOVE the SODA MOTD!!!!
\_ just a few bad apples set the tone for the motd.
we will nice them to death!!
\_ Be quiet rachel
\_ Hmmm.. ok, service sucks but is the net connection good
otherwise?
\_ It would be, except they're clueless idiots and ended up
actually slowing down their net connection through
incompetence.
\_ Implying that incompetence might have sped it up? -pld |
| 1998/3/5-6 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:13762 Activity:insanely high |
3/05 I would like to vote for a "no porn" policy on the CSUA web site.
The situation is simply getting too ridiculous; not to even mention
that it may be violating some UCB policy. I propose that we all
porn pages off to OCF if they can host them and leave CSUA
to be used for more important things. THank YOu.
-A very concerned CSUA member/parent
\_ Show us what UCB policy is being violated, or for that matter
what CSUA policy. And define "porn." -tom
\_ I'm not your kids' parent. Deal with it. It doesn't take a
village to raise a child. It takes parents. Real parents. You
seriously believe that removing art from the CSUA's web site will
keep Johnny from seeing nekkig girlz on the web?
\_ If you want this done, propose it at the next politburo
meeting. If enough members vote for it, it will become
the law.
\_ Yep, and who gets squicked when non-porn gets removed or you
fail to police "real" porn and someone's kid sees it? Let it
be.
\_ No such UCB policy exists. In fact, this is a really really bad
idea because now you're trying to decide what's porn and not and
the "I can't define it, but I know what it is when I see it" method
doesn't hold water. Also, you're talking about possible
infringement of first amendment rights. I *strongly* suggest the
CSUA ignores all the porn. If you want a disk space policy, that's
a different matter, but you're looking for trouble when you filter
by content. At my site we don't do *any* sort of anything like
this. Until there's a serious legal problem, just leave it alone.
I suggest this concerned parent watch what their kids are doing on
the computer. It is your responsibility to take care of your kids,
not the CSUA's or any other computer organisation. Try NetNanny or
something if it bothers you so much. -A very concerned member
\_ Look, I'm as much in favor of a good yank as the next guy, maybe
even more, but I think a no porn policy might be good. It's not an
infringement of the first amendment, any more than, say, the
Chronicle refusing to print porn is. It's honestly mostly a matter
of bandwidth - the CSUA has had a lot of problems with porn getting
too many hits, and there's no reason to believe that'll stop. As
\_ So the problem is number of hits, not that it's porn.
Therefore, censorship solves the wrong problem and the
correct solution is either per-user hit limits or hacking
the httpd/kernel to assign scheduling tickets for user pages
out of the user's pool so if one user gets lots of hits it
only hoses them. -alanc-
far as what's porn and what isn't, that's a hard decision
sometimes;es, but it's fairly reasonable to say that it can be
judged on a case-by-case basis (like everyothing else in this
\_ Really? You plan to personally view all 5000 gifs I intend
to make available on a weekly rotating basis?
crazy, shiftless world). Or, another way of doing it is saying
that any content that generates a certain level of bandwidth
should require approval beforehand. The question isn't whether
\_ One man's porn is another man's art. Are we using my
standards or yours? I'm surprised to see such right wing
control oriented fascism coming from you, Ted. Where have
the barefoot days gone?
porn is bad - it's whether CSUA should shell out the bucks to host
it. -thepro
\_ The problem is CSUA bucks come via mandatory student fees
and are therefore bound by all sorts of University
& ASUC regulations. If the CSUA decides to exercise
editorial control over web pages it causes many more
problems than not doing so. (Not that the CSUA spends
any bucks on web serving - the machine was donated and
the net is paid for by the University.)
\_ THANK YOU! This is the point I failed to make
earlier. -first to say leave it alone.
\_ Oh pull that dildo out of your ass and shut the fuck up. If
keep your kid from viewing porn if it bothers you. Don't
make the rest of the world do your work for you. -aspo
\_ Bitch, shut the fuck up. You stole my man bitch, I'm taking
you on Springer. Bitch!!! |
| 1998/3/4-5 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:13761 Activity:very high 80%like:14293 80%like:13983 |
03/04 motd nuked
\_ Awaiting the fallout...
\_ Cool! - #1 Motd Anti-Fan
\_ If you were with it, you know that you can't combine
fandom, a positive, with anti-anything, a negative.
\_ This makes absolutely no logical sense.
\_ Obviously you're not with it. End of story.
\_ Bastard [...]
\_ try again. --#2 psb fan
\_ aw, I missed it. What'd he say? -psb #1 Fan
\-yeah, what did i say? --OTPSB
\_ Bastard motherfucker smallminded bastard censor fascist pig. When
the brownshirted dictator oppressors come to your house to round
_you_ up and take you to the death camp for daring to think thoughts
that _they_ found unacceptable, don't expect me to cry for you,
bastard. Rather, I'll spit on your cold, unmarked grave.
Remember that the long slow slide toward complete erosion of our
personal freedom of expression started right here, right now, today
with the smallminded censors of the glorious soda wall.
\_ i.e. you suck? |
| 1998/1/28 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:13579 Activity:very high |
1/27 identd is running on soda, btw, with some modifications, read manpage
\_ it's generating cookies, not returning plain usernames. this means
two things: 1) soda admin can still ID people and 2) IRC has
problems because it's written by stupid people, for stupid people.
we now return you to your regularly scheduled idiocy --aaron
\_ does this mean ill have to cut down on my "finger motd@soda"
habit :)
\_ this is not an identd thing. whether fingerd reverse-queries
for ident information is wholly independent of us running an
identd. --aaron
\_ I read it, but I still don't really get what it does, or how
it's used.
\_ When you connect to other computers, they can find out
which of the 100+ users on soda at that time opened
the connection.
\_ identd is installed? really? IRC is still generating random
user names
\_ Read what aaron wrote you moron.
\_ f.u. moron, I wrote this before aaron replied. Dumbass
\_ I thought it was agreeded a long time ago that soda would
NOT run identd.
\_ In your dreams.
\_ Yeah, and that was written down where exactly and agreed
by who? [I said "who", I meant "who". "Whom" is a dead form.]
\_ not dead as long as you get flamed for using "who" where
people want to hear "whom"...
\_ uh huh... what people? a pompous grammarian ass like
yourself who still didn't answer my question?
\_ yup! grammar stratifies. live with it.
\_ Don't stratify me you el8ist prick.
\_ The last thing I ever heard was that adork wouldnt run it on
the sequent due to problems with Dynix's TCP stack -- clueless |
| 1997/2/26 [Reference/BayArea, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:32085 Activity:nil |
2/25 Anyone have a .ps (or any other format) for the City of Berkeley
parking permits? I was hoping someone else had already done the
2 week temp. permit. thanks (yes I know its illegal)
\_ Real men don't pay for parking you dick. Paying for
parking is like paying for sex. It just doesn't feel
right.
\_ Not to mention rather hard for the new ones with the City logo
embossed in a circle of gold foil.
\_ Actually the the gold circle just looked like a glued
on kinda golden thingy. No big deal to make my own.
\_ Because of a special agreement, you can place Berkeley Farms
milk cartons on your dashboard instead of the permits.
\_ Is all the time you're going to waste really worth the $2 you save?
\_ I don't live in Berkeley. I thought that even a 14 day
permit required CDL and car registration in Berkeley?
\_ only some proof you live in berkeley - CDL, phone
bill, cable tv bill, whatever - and unless you're
a complete dweeb you should be able to find someone
who lives in the area of Berkeley you want. Of
course they have no reason to help a shmuck like
you steal parking from their neighbors just because
you're a lazy selfish cheap asshole
\_ Yeah, I suppose all the taxes, shitty roads,
tickets, and other BS isn't punishment enough for
working in Berkeley. I should pay $10/day at
some overpriced garage or get fucked in a variety
of other ways. A real city wouldn't have the
idiotic parking scam Berkeley has. Thanks for
info. I know plenty of people who would help
out. Oh yeah, where does "lazy" "selfish"
"cheap" or "asshole" come in this? Only a loser
or a schmuck (learn to spell Yiddish words before
trying to use them) would submit to the Berkeley
parking insanity.
\_ Cars suck, and people who steal money from
cities and then complain about the roads suck
more.
\_ "lazy" == take BART/buses or RIDE BIKE!
\_ so get a f*cking job with an employer
who'll get you parking (companies *CAN*
get parking stickers for employees).
Besides - YOU DON'T PAY ANY TAXES that
go to the City of Berkeley moron. (And
parking is hell everywhere, not just here)
\_ Pardon me, but where the f*ck do you
think sales tax goes? You might be
surprised to learn that the city
gets quite a bit of it.
\_ Yeah the ten years I lived here did a lot to
improve the roads, not. Ride a bike? Yeah right,
over the bridge, under the freeway, blah blah blah.
And no parking is not Hell everywhere. Only in
Berkeley and SF for the most part. And yes I have
and still do pay various taxes to the city of
Berkeley. But maybe you're right. I should join
the hordes of idiots in Crit. Mass and ride my
bike 2 hours each way everyday.... or golly I
could get a job next to where I live for half the
pay, but it would be good for the environment. Yeah
right. When Hell freezes over, plus a day. As I
said before thanks for the 14 permit tip. All
pro-CM flames to /dev/null. I couldn't care less.
\_ Over the bridge? You're coming from San Francisco
to Berkeley and you're *driving*? they should
charge you extra
\_ Actually no. I just had a particular song in
mind when I wrote that. I'm on this side of the
bridge. "Over the hill and through the woods". |
| 1996/8/7-8 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:31875 Activity:nil |
8/7 All the 'free danh' ascii shit deleted. it's that kind of figlet
abuse on walls that gets him squished. don't be fucking stupid,
you mindless danh minions.
\_ All anti-danh factions are hereby reminded that sometimes
laxatives _DO_ help
\_ i did not write that. fuck you forging fuckers. -lila
\_ CENSORED BY THE MANH |
| 1994/3/6-7 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:31504 Activity:insanely high |
3/5 NAMBLA now has an entire copy of the SUN service manuals. Big CSUA
points to boss and retnuh for helping me copy them. -eric
\ What's NAMBLA?
\_ Uh, do we have any suns???
\_ How could you not know that weve got several suns in the office!?
\_ Because they look like scrap parts. Do I have account on them?
\_ what a typical CSUA
h0zer attitude!
Quick Clues for the Clueless:
1) This is the public motd. Everything in it is suspect, including
this statement.
2) if anyone tells you to use the "chsh" or "rm" command make sure
you know what the command does first.
3) Type "man chsh". This will show the MANual entry. For that
matter, use the man command before asking stupid questions.
People on soda tend to flame stupid questions.
4) There is no such thing as a stupid question.
5) There is only Zuul.
6) This whole thing will probably be deleted/flamed
within 5 minutes. This is typical.
7) That is all. You will be tested.
8) ARGH! not another test!
9) Go back and read number one.
\_ you forgot to tell them what "yer mom" is
\_ I got yermom right here pal
\_ you also forgot about cows.
\_you hypocrites, does your mother know where you are?
\_ go away kchang |
| 1994/2/8-22 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:31481 Activity:high 75%like:31454 61%like:31500 72%like:31587 |
1/22 Politburo meetings are Fridays at noon.
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+
welcome to SLODA, mark 0.38
\_ Is everyone invited?
\_ What does "public" mean to you?
\_ 1. pub.lic: Having easy access to yermom.
\_ % grep -i public /etc/motd.official
%
Welcome to Soda Mark III
CSUA Wonder Machine
(read: a Pinto without hard disk space)
Ali's Daily Quote from Life's Little Insturction Calendar:
----------------------------------------------------------
"Read the ten books nominated each year for the ABBY Award."
-Tue, Feb 8.
\_ Does anyone have a problem with me doing this?
) Friday February 11 noon lecture, 145 Dwinelle Hall
)
) The Information Highway Has Many Potholes
) by Barbara Simons, Chair, US Public Policy Committee, ACM |
| 1994/1/25 [Academia/Berkeley, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:31457 Activity:nil |
1/24 Does anyone know where I can get a list of college CEEB codes at
Berkeley? Does anyone know the CEEB code for Berkeley and Van
Nuys High School? I really really really need the codes by this
week. Mail me please. Thanks. -kchang
\_ What are CEEB codes? Are you transferring out of Berkeley?
\_ None of your )(*@#$ business! -kchang
\_ Don't be a lazy bum, just go on down to Sproul and wait in line.
\_ Information like this should be on-line. This is the
Information Age!!!!
\_ Get a fucking clue dude. This is Berkeley. Berkeley despises
handing out useful information, especially to students. - norby
\_ go kill yerself, kchang
\_ Use the phone. Call them up and ask....
\_ go grab a copy of this year's SAT booklet or something...
\_ sheesh you guys: i have the GRE code for berkeley: R4833
(that probably doesn't help) |
| 1993/10/11 [Recreation/Sports, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:31416 Activity:nil |
10/9 Time to fire Goobertson; what lousy play calling in the 4th
quarter! you simply can't expect to run the time out when
your opponent can easily score 2 TDs in 4 minutes.
It was not meant to be. back to old Cal football. forget
the Rose Bowl. watch arizona vs. OSU/PSU
\_ 1) Get a clue. If Bryan hits the FG, we win and Gilbie looks
great. If we recover the onsides kick, we win and Gilbie
looks great. If we throw into the end zone instead, we
don't take any time off the clock and if we don't score,
idiots like you would be second-guessing that.
2) Our chances at the Rose Bowl are almost exactly what they
were before: we need to win the rest of our Pac-10 games,
that's all. We *are* the best team in the Pac 10. We *can*
win the rest. But if the fans are going to fucking quit
just because the other team got LUCKY and beat us, we might
as well give up now. I hear they're accepting applications
for losers at Stanford. GO BEARS! -tom
\_ We're decent, but Arizona looks pretty good, too
\_ It should be a good game. We will win.
\_ Tom's assessment is pretty good. A win yesterday would
have been very nice, but we haven't lost all our chances
to the Rose Bowl --- we would have to beat Arizona
anyways to get there. We should not, under any
circumstances, throw the towel in an already great
season. - hob
\jeesh, what a bunch of whiners. The Bears suck, they
have always sucked and they always will suck. I can
remember when we were happy to beat the spread...
Go Bears! -ausman
\_ Hey, we did beat the spread vs Washington..
\_ Look guys....our kicker sucks.....oh and
Butthead here agrees with. |
| 1993/5/8-9 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:31304 Activity:high |
5/8 Adam Glass is the newest elite who believes that wallall should
be deleted. Do you think that it is acceptable for the elite to
dictate what programs you may use? wallall will be deleted on
Monday after the Politburo meeting unless something is done.
\_ no it won't, because adam's solution is extreme and everyone
else agreed so, shannon. but people ought to chill out and
respect each other a bit while walling. -george
\what if i have no respect for someone outside wall-world --psb
\_ That's censorship, which is to say restriction of
a specific type of speech by those people who control
the allocation of the resources for that speech. Is
that acceptable?
\_ Um, actually, I don't think that's censorship. If
they control the resources, then they *control* *the*
*resources*, and can do what they want. Censorship
is restriction of speech by someone who doesn't control
the resource, like the government. If you want soda
to be un-managed, say so.
\uh how do you censor if you dont have control? --psb
\_ Yes. There is no excuse for tolerating electronic
harrassment in the name of free speech. -gwh
\No, there is no reason for tolerating dumb speech
in the name of george. When all you need to do is
"electronically close you eyes" [wallall -n], its
tough to make the case this is harassment.
besides, wallall preserves ample records and witnesses
if you want to make the case for harassment. --psb
\_If you don't like elites making decisions, then we can throw
this to the general membership. Easy. -dpassage
\_ RIght....the 20 or so people who attend CSUA general
meetings aren't the elite, eh?
\what do people think about re-writing the CSUA const
to include a machine supervision cmte which will make
policies for the machine(s) independent of the politburo,
who will continue to run other csua activites. you could
maybe have 1 person per 50 or 100 [or whatever] users ...
this way this group will be reasonably representative of the
membership ... the 5person ex-com certainly is not ...
especially when they arbitrarily choose a bunch of their
friends to help make policy at the exclusion of orthers.
\_ you're just offended because you have no friends.
and this group will presmable feel responsive to their
"constituency" if they want to be re-relected.
please send *me* input on this idea. --psb
\_We could take the vote electronically. I'm working
on a couple of ideas on how we could do this.-dpassage
\-- You don't seem to understand. You elected these
bozos. They can do whatever they want. If they
voted to turn off soda tonight and never turn it
back on, they could do it. A general meeting
could overturn, but that's it. [This actually
sidesteps the issue that you DID NOT elect Adam
Glass - because he is a friend of the politburo,
he is CLEARLY getting preferential treatment.
That is a problem for another day though].
^ Adam Glass, the CSUA's Hilary Clinton.
What a concept.
\_ More like our Stalin
\_I don't see how Adam is getting special treatment. He proposed
a policy change. I said we'd vote on it, and asked for public
input. Any other user is welcome to do the same. And I'm not
pretending that a Politburo meeting can be a general meeting;
if opinion at the meeting is overwhelmingly one way (which it
appears it is), then the status quo will remain. If Adam wants
to push it further, which is his right under our const., I'm
\_ I am not at all convinced that free speech is more important
than the cohesiveness of the Organization. -- Marco
\-you're free to leave. i think free speech is more imp
than your being a member. |
| 12/24 |