9/23    Hey vthanh, kill your damn job!
        \_ Poll (yes I realize 1 vote of politburo weighs more than 99 votes)
           sqish:     ..
                       \_ After viewing vthanh resume, I switch from no squish
                      \_ doesn't squishing depend on twink points or something
                         that tom used to keep track of? This seems like a
                         an offense that should recieve a *strong* warning not
                         a squish.
                       \_ After viewing vthanhs' resume, I switch from no squish
                          to squish: he's not nor ever has been a student at cal.
           no squish: (99).
        \_ mr. vthanh. the fucking pc you use to log on to soda probably
           has more cpu power than soda. use IT for your stupid prime
           numberiser.
           \_ so i see, this machine should primarily be used for writing
              to a world writeable file.  Why again do we need a 800 Mhz
              athlon for that?
                \_ his bc job is using up most of the cpu and makes
                   interactive stuff on soda very slow.  soda does plenty
                   of other things besides letting people edit the motd,
                   you fuck.
              \_ soda is also the mail server.  it handles lots of mail.
                 i guess it takes 800 Mhz to handle it all.
                 \_ don't forget its also the web server. it also takes
                    some amount of cpu power to support 100+ concurrent
                    logins of people running all sorts of interactive
                    programs.
                    \_ what sort of interactive programs are those?
                       \_ mostly tcsh, there are a lot of mudders on soda
                          who telnet elsewhere too.  oh, and wall takes a lot
                          of cpu.
                          \_ yeah, it's really annoying how people try to
                             do math or do something that makes this machine
                             compute.  Damn it, i like an idle machine! - alum
                       \_ emacs, pine, screen, irc, w3, w3m, lynx, etc
              \_ I think the point is, if it's for school-work, he should use
                 a campus-machine; if it's for industry work, he should use a
                 work machine, etc.
                 \_ There is (and hopefully will be) no policy against using
                    CSUA resources for schoolwork. If you have forgotten
                    that the CSUA is a student organization meant to serve
                    a university campus, you're hereby reminded of
                    that. It is a different and orthogonal issue that
                    Mr. Nguyen may not have chosen the best venue for
                    running his job (even if it should turn out that it
                    was being done for academic purposes), and should have
                    consulted rootstaff beforehand to get pointed at a more
                    appropriate CSUA resource to use for this task. -alexf
        \_ check out vthanh's resume, he's not a student at berkeley:
           M.S. Applied Mathematics, CSU Hayward, March 2002
           B.S. Computer Science & B.S. Mathematics, CSU Hayward, June 1998
           \_ ok fine this is a gray area, maybe he is hosing soda
              for classwork for grad school in hayward.  he still
              shouldn't hose soda for his giant bc is my driver's
              license prime? jobs, he should use a different machine,
              one other than the one 99.9999 percent of the CSUA uses,
              it's rude and inconsiderate.
                    \_exscuse me ignorance but doesn't the ticketing
                     system only alot mr nguyen only a certain amount of
                     processing cycles per second to prevent any one
                     user from hogging the CPU?
                        \_ that's a previous version of soda, this is no
                           longer the case
                           \_ can we make it the case again?
                                \_ The lottery scheduling system wouldn't
                                   make a difference for someone running only
                                   one process.  If he was running 5 jobs in
                                   parallel it would make a difference. -tom
           \_ what's he doing in a Berkeley student organization if he was
              never a Berkeley student?
              \_ Yeah, how did he get an account. I remember need my CAL
                 student id to get an account. - yet another alum
        \_ From /csua/adm/doc/policies/processes:
                As a courtesy to others, do not run programs that take
                up too much CPU power for too long. Background processes
                belonging to users who are not logged on will be killed
                if they are taking inordinate amounts of processor time.
           Am I the only one who remembers any of the CSUA's policies?
           -geordan
           \_ I'm guessing that the vast majority of csua'ers know the
              policies and try not to break them.
           \_ Why would his process eating up all the leftover CPU cycles
              be a problem to others when he's running it with nice 20?  I
              think the real problem is that his process has a big working
              set.  Last I checked, RSS=24M and VSZ=73M.  (BTW, I don't think
              non-Cal-students/alumni should be given soda accounts.  Maybe he
              was once a student and then got kicked out and ended up in CSUH.
              -- yuen
              \_ nice 20 doesn't work like people think it does.

9/20    Berkeley, as seen from New York:
          http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/opedcolumnists/2610.htm
        \_ Very intellectual, balanced, and thoughtful.  Have a look at this
           week's Economist for some surprisingly reasonable articles.  -John
        \_ wow, this is SO much like watchmen.  I mean, was the
           NY Post what they based the "New Frontiersman" on?  Anyone
           else draw parallels to the recent events to the end of watchmen?
        \_ what-evah. there are idiots everywhere. if some of berkeley's idiots
           fall on the extreme opposite end of the political spectrum from the
           idiots in most other areas, then so be it.
           \_ I believe idiots in Cornell or Yale has banned students from
              hanging flags from their dorm rooms. <insert ivory towers
              comment here> Sometimes I feel ASHAMED of graduating from
              Berkeley. I read the article and feel DISGUSTED about the
              crap that goes on in that silly place. Where are the
              patriots in Berkeley?  Rise up and be heard!
              \_ I'm in New Haven now, and there are flags all over all the
                 official Yale stuff, including the residential colleges
                 where the undergrads all live.  If there is a specific
                 dorm room window ban, I'm sure it's some stupid fire
                 hazard thing, not political.
        \_ All of it is accurate and correct.
           \_ [contentless ad hominem blather purged]
        \_ the whole thing was blown out of proportion.  the nypost
           sucks ass anyway, did you read their little tirade blaming
           the bombing on the united nations?
           \_ What was blown out of proportion exactly?  It's all true,
              accurate, correct, and precise.
              \_ Barbara Lee is not a Communist. Neither is Ron Dellums.
                 Ron Dellums was chair of the House Armed Forces committe.
                 -ausman
           \_ the world is collapsing, manhattan is about to generate
              a giant sinkhole and all of lower manhattan could fall
              into the hudson river, and they're concerned about
              bfd not putting flags on their trucks?   I'm looking
              at the site and I see a column by John Gotti's daughter.
              Here's a great factual 100 percent correct column
              for you: http://www.nypost.com/commentary/32767.htm
        \_ I hate to break it to you, but the New York Post is the paper that
           New Yorkers who are too poor to subscribe to the New York Times
           read.  It's a pretty sensationalistic, entertainment-first, news
           second kind of paper.
           \_ It has nothing to do with wealth.  The Post is _the_ paper for
              New Yorkers.  It's the local paper in the same way The San
              Francisco Comical is the bay area paper.  Anyway, yes the paper
              is trash but the article is still 100% correct regarding
              Berkeley.  Go ahead, correct something in the article and let
              us know where they went wrong.
              \_ The NY Post is like a real newspaper in the same way Hard
                 Copy is like real news.
                 \_ No, it's exactly like the SF Chron.  Anyway, no one has
                    yet said exactly what is inaccurate in the article.
        \_ "They would be rotting in jail for their political heresies,
            tortured with cattle prods. Or buried up to their necks in sand
            and stoned to death." - THis is the concluding thought,
            which to me, seems almost to say he wishes this is what happened
            to us "Berkeleyites".. We should demand an apology....
            im not even sure though if the paper is worth asking an apology
            from...
            \_ "...which to me, seems almost to say he wishes this is what
                happened to us..." is a matter of your opinion and feeling.
                The fact remains that what he said is true.  You'd be killed
                or permanently in jail in many countries for the same behavior.
                You live in the freest nation on the planet.  Enjoy it, but
                don't piss on it.  You've got no where better to go.
        \_ If this article is correct, then I think people in Berkeley are
           being idiots.  However, I suspect that the writer is biased and
           more interested in insulting Berkeley and liberals in general
           than providing a reasonable opinion.  For example, the writer
           refers to Rep. Lee voting against the resolution supporting the
           use of force.  I saw a clip of Lee's speech on TV, and she
           wasn't arguing that we shouldn't use force.  Instead, she was
           saying that we shouldn't act hastily in the heat of the moment
           and do something we might later regret (e.g. kill lots of
           innocent people).
           \_ Opinions are just that: opinion.  There's no such thing as a
              reasonable or unreasonable opinion.  Why is it so hard for
              some people to separate fact from opinion?   I read Lee's
              comments about her vote right after her vote and "not act too
              hasty" was not her agenda.  "Not act" was her agenda.

9/17    Politburo, is that you? Hail motd censor king.

9/14    to speak to the politburo fiat, were people inciting to riot or some
        such?  the wonderful thing about world writable files is ...  wait
        for it...  you can DELETE as well as add...  Unless the motd was
        being used to coordinate concerted attacks against the local mosque,
        get over your power trip, politburo, and return the motd to the
        people.  --scotsman
        \_ Well, according to the info down below, it seems like the motd
           was fairly normal (and downright tame compared to last nov.)
        \_ yeah, FUCK politburo censoring. Let's vote politburo members
           off the island

9/14    bombing afghanistan would solve nothing since they're
        already living in rubble:
        http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2001/09/14/afghanistan/index.html
        oh and politburo:  fuck you!

9/14    I'd like to make the following points:

        (1) If you haven't read wall.log yet (or don't know how to), at least
            one CSUA member had indicated to the Politburo that they felt
            threatened and scared by the racist comments in the MOTD.

        (2) The Politburo did not make this fact clear to the membership,
            that it was a basis for the closing of the MOTD.  Instead, it is
            described as "anti-arab sentiment offending many members" in
            /csua/pub/minutes/F2001/0913.politburo.
            (no offense intended to the CSUA Secretary)

        You're all human beings.  I'll let you figure out who was right
        and who was wrong here.  You can then return to what you were doing,
        instead of feeling incredulous, righteous, wronged -- whatever.
        \_ I read wall.log and at least two of the comments have been
           clearly misinterpreted. They were ment to illustrate just how
           stupid a particular line of reasoning was.

8/28    How long do we get to keep our CSUA account? Will we get a warning
        if it is about to be closed? I have graduated but it is my connection
        to UCB. Thanks.
        \_ have you ever read the motd before?  have you noticed alot of
           people here are in their thirties?
           \_ You know, I _have_ noticed that there are motd posts by people
              in their 30's... good thing everyone signs their YoB.  --1976
        \_ you can get an alumni.eecs account.
           \_ I can? How?
        \_ You keep your CSUA account until you get squished.  Even after
           you die!
           \_ So don't do/SAY anything stupid!

8/19    [ Censoring trolls are the worst.  -- stupid troll deletion daemon ]

8/15    how does one officially quit the csua?
        \_ You can check out any time you like, but you can never leave.
        \_ you can mildly offend any officer and that'll get rid of you.
           But dont try censoring the MOTD, that'll never get you squished.
           \_ it'll get you squished if you're not on the politburo.  if
              you're paolo, it won't.  -tom
           \_ I am using my first amendment right to disagree with tom.
              \_ And I am using my second amendment rights to shoot you in the
                 head.  Nothing personal.
              \_ not to mention censor my posts, eh paolo?  What an
                 idiot.  -tom
        \_ i don't believe there is a formal quit policy.  You can probably
           just ask the pburo to rm your directory. - paolo (who actually
           tries to answer the question without libeling others)
           \_ I am expressing my first amendment right to disagree with tom.

8/14    http://www.dailycal.org/article.asp?id=5834
        "Police Search Massage Parlor in Connection With Prostitution"
        So much for the local bordello.
        \_ only in berkeley would people be stupid enough to go to
           a place like that expecting a massage and "be shocked to find
           that massage was not the primary service offered."
        \_ That place has been in business for at least 10 years, when I
           first heard about it from a female-friend and probably
           before then. I think that's the place that always has
           the windows covered.
                \_ Established 1973
        \_ I had a good time there, that's one of the few things I'm going
           miss about Berkeley.
           \_ Like always, it'll be back. Just waiting for the heat to die down
              Come and visit later
              \_ not if those punks at http://adjectivity.com rent out the space
                 from under them!  Seems like every time a house of ill
                 repute goes down, adjectivity is there in it's place.
          \_ Can you elaborate on your experience there?
             \_ search google for "golden gypsy", find an interesting story.
             \_ You could close down Kip's,
                Or the Golden Bear,
                And nobody would care,
                But the heart and soul
                Of Berkeley's in
                Our Maison Derriere!
                \_ To shut it down now would be twisted,
                   We just heard this place existed!
                \_ oh, you mean the White Horse?

8/4     motd nuked and partially restored... bitch.

8/3     paolo, why did you lie to the CSUA and the politburo about your
        policy violations?  -tom
        \_ Tom, what the fuck is your problem.  What part of
           motd != politburo don't you understand.  Are you even a student?
           \_ I have sent a complaint to the politburo already, and they have
                ignored it.  Hence the public complaint.        -tom
              the politburo's domain of responsibility.  Tom is alleging that
              paolo used/uses a script to auto-munge the motd.  I'm not
           - student, !paolo
           \_ Son, auto-munging of the motd is a squishable offense.  That is
                 the politburo's domain of responsibility.  Tom is alleging
                that paolo used/uses a script to auto-munge the motd.   I'm not
                sure I can explain any more clearly than that. -!tom
              \_ Daddy, how am I supposed to know that from Tom's post at
                 the beginning of this thread?  And, how does posting to the
                   motd about the matter inform politburo?  All it serves to do
                   is rile the soda public, most of whom don't attend politburo
                   meetings, and, even if they did, will NEVER be eligible for
                   politburo again in this lifetime.  Oh, and, by the by, are
                 you a student? - 1st respondent
                \_ I had more details in the MOTD, but paolo keeps deleting
                    them.  What possible bearing does my student status have
                    on the matter?  -tom
           \_ i dont see why you can't answer his question --motd
              \_ We will be discussing paolo's conduct at the first CSUA
                 General Meeting after the semester begins.
           \_ What part of "Tom wants to have an _open_ discussion" do you
              not understand.  In this case, whether Tom is a student or not
              is irrelevant to whether or not Paolo is doing anything.

7/24    Do you date more in college?  Or after college?
        \_ Yer mom is always available
        \_ Definitely after college.
        \_ In college.
        \_ After.
        \_ During.
        \_ In college.
        \_ In college.
        \_ Before.
        \_ You will never find as many young women ready, willing, and
           able as in college. Get it while you can. --dim
           \_ does that include stanford women?  there is a stereotype they
              are too studious to date.
              \_ Too ugly to care. See Clinton, Chelsea. --dim
                 \_ Even those in biz school?
                 \_ Get out from behind your computer screen more often, d00d.
        \_ In college.
        \_ Definitely after. Never had the time in school.

6/18    Henceforth, any discussion not related to Computer Science will
        be censored. The University does not pay you to discuss politics,
        religion, girls, or any of that superfluous stuff. Get back to work.
        -The Imperial Censor
        \_ [Threat to Imperial Censor censored]

6/8     "Judge orders 19-year-old guy: No more sex"
        link:www.bayarea.com/c/breaking/docs/053992.htm
        \_ I just had sex last night, but didnt come.
           That guy should learn some control.
           \_ you are obviously a girl though.
              \_ girls are on soda?
                 \_ This response does get old after awhile, y'know.
                    \_ L1NUX. R1D3 B1KE. H07 AZN CHX. ED is the STANDARD.
                       get used to it.
                    \_ I have never met any of these girls that are
                                yer not missing out _/
                       supposed to have accounts on soda. I suspect that
                       the accounts were create by root in the days before
                       psb in order to keep the poor geeks hopeful.
                       The motd posts signed by women are obviously
                       forgeries.
                        \_ You need to get out more.  There have been many
                           confirmed sightings of soda females at past
                           general meetings or in the distant history when
                           the volleyball court was regularly used.
                           \_ Confirmed by who? The politburo? Root?
                              Can we really trust these sources?
                              Since most sodans have never seen these
                              so called "girls", it is safe to assume
                              that they are a figment of a distrubed
                              mind.
                              mind. And if these "girls" exist, how
                              come we never get a chance to date them?
                              What is the point of allowing "girls" to
                              use soda if these "girls" can't be put
                              to good use helping poor geeks.
              \_ I am not a girl or woman.
                 \_ then you didn't really "have sex". --bill
                 \_ she's a man, baby!
        \_ You know what sucks more than not being able to have sex?
           Not being able to think about sex without doing it intentionally.
           \_ what the hell does this mean?
        \_ Guess he can join the wankers club, just like the average sodan.

5/25    [post on censorship censored]

5/25    [censorship discussion censored]

05/23   http://www.academia.org/topten2001.html
        \_ ACADEMIA IS AN EVIL COMMIE LIBERAL THING! FUCK ACADEMIA!
        \_ what a backwards and frighteneing organization
           \_ You and people like you make me ashamed to be affiliated with
              Berkeley.
           \_ Uh?  Did you *read* the top ten list?  You're just trolling,
              right?  You think firing people because they mock the
              PC agenda in academia and in the arts is what made this country
              great?  Even as a troll you're pretty scary.
              great?  Or the kid they had sent to the psych ward for being
              Christian?  Or walking around Berkeley nude is a reasonable
              part of a state sponsored education?  Book burning in Berkeley?
              Madness.... true madness.
              \_ You have made up your mind that this prof. was fired for
                 not being PC solely on the basis of a paragraph in this
              posting this link. And why do anti-left posts censored
              on the motd? Just let the discussion happen...
                 one article?
                 \_ You're right.  It's all a lie.  Thanks for keeping me
                    informed with alternative information sources.  None of it
                    happened.  It's just the VRWC.
                    informed with alternative information sources.  None
                    of it happened.  It's just the VRWC.
                    informed with alternative information sources.  None of
                    it happened.  It's just the VRWC.
                                  \_ That's what I'm saying.
                                     - Sen. H Clinton
                    \_ That's hardly what I said. Why are you so offended
                 \_ *LAUGH*  There's no evidence because it gets censored!
                       by someone requiring corroboration for an intreperation
                       of events?
                        \_ Offended?  Only the left gets "offended".  I object
                           to you choosing 1 thing of 10 posted and making it
                           as if that was the only thing said.  Go do your
                           own google search to disprove it.  No one has a
                           responsibility to do your counter research for you.
        \_ What exactly are you trying to accomplish by posting this
           link and the two below? Are you trying to show us that some
           people associated with the broad group that is the left
           engage in idiotic behavior sometimes? If so, we're all well
           aware of this, thanks. I think you'll be hard pressed to
           find a group with more than 10 people for which this isn't
           true. Are you trying to convince us that we should join the
           X-tian right? I don't think posting links to the motd is the
           path to success there.
           \_ more to the point is WHY you are so offended by someone
              posting this link. And why do anti-left posts get censored
              on the motd? Its good that the bad side of the left be
              exposed, just like the right gets hammered all the time,
              Just let the discussion happen...
              \_ I'm not offended, I just want to know what your goal is.
                 Though I don't see evidence of the censorship you are talking
                 about...
                 \_ *LAUGH*  There's no evidence because it gets ______ed!
                    Must such an obvious concept be spelled out?  Were you
                    just trolling?  Ow, my sides hurt from laughing.  I love
                    the motd.
                    \_ My stuff gets "censored" all the time. Please look
                       up the word "censor" and try again. Truth is fiction.
                       War is peace. Welcome to the Brave New World. -ausman
                       \_ Ok.  Here it is from http://dictionary.com:
                                v. tr. cen7sored, cen7sor7ing, cen7sors.
                                To examine and expurgate.
                          I don't think censor means what you think it means.
                        \_ censor:
                           1.A person authorized to examine books, films,
                           or other material and to remove or supress what
                           is considered morally, politically, or otherwise
                           objectionable.
                           2.An official, as in the armed forces, who examines
                           personal mail and official dispatches to remove
                           remove information considered secret or a risk
                           to security.
                           3.One that condemns or censures.
                           4.One of two officials in ancient Rome responsible
                           for taking the public census and supervising
                           public behavior and morals.
                           5.Psychology. The agent in the unconscious that
                           is responsible for censorship.
                        The only definition that makes any sense at all with
                        your problem is number 5, and I don't think you are
                        either clever or self-aware enough to be referring
                        to it. Please speak English, not NewSpeak. -ausman
                        \_ hey dude, you looked up the wrong entry. you
                           want the definition of censor the VERB. the
                           other guy had it right.
                           \_ It's only ausman.  What did you expect?  Like I
                              said, it doesn't mean what he thinks it means.
                    \_ Uh, dude -- we are discussing a URL you posted right
                       now.  And this is not the first time in the last
                       several weeks that there has been a lengthy discussion
                       about an article from a conservative news source.
                       \_ Yes.  Some sneak by.  Most get deleted within a few
                          minutes.  The more solid the info in the URL, the
                          more likely it is to get chopped.  But you knew that.
                    \_ A lot of students go to Cal for the Liberal/Radical rep,
                       get bummed out when they meet actual radicals and
                       reactionaries, and leave as NIMBY moderates.
                       Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose.
                        \_ I came to Cal at 17 as a blank slate.  Never thought
                           anything about politics of any sort before college.
                           I was inundated with PC-ism and left Cal as a
                           conservative because what they said made more sense
                           than the book burners and hypocrites on the left.
                           \_ Now see here, this is a pity: if you'd gone to
                              BYU, you'd be batting for the other side!
                              \_ The truth is the truth.  I didn't come away
                                 from Cal as a bible thumping social
                                 conservative.  I came away from Cal thinking
                                 the entire PC agenda was a crock of shit.  Had
                                 I attended BYU, the illogic of the left would
                                 remain the same.
              \_ Liberals *know* that they are correct, from thier point
                 of view, censoring a non-liberal statement is the act
                 of making sure that incorrect information is not spread
                 around. After all, what would the world come to if people
                 didn't all agree on the liberal point of view?

5/13    "troll"
        \_ "meta-troll"
           \_ I never metadata I didn't like
              \_ I demand an apology for this...
                 \_ "yermom"
                    \_ i'm sorry...
        \_ Has it come to this?

5/8     Motd nuked.
        \_ And there goes my erection.
        \_ aw, poor baby's stupidity tolerance exceeded?
           \_ shaddup nweaver

4/9     Hello fellow assholes! -Corntrollio
        \_ So this is what trolls have become?  I like a good troll as much as
           the next guy but you have to at least *try*.  Go back to troll 1A.

3/15    Poetry for the People invites you to attend a night of poetry and
        protest this Thursday at the
        I-HOUSE, 2299 Piedmont Avenue, Chevron Auditorium
        (reception is at 6pm on the 2nd floor)
        The reading featuring poet/playwright Ntozake Shange at 7pm. Admission
        is 2 books, to help raise books for Berkeley High School's library,
        which has been closed for a year now.
        \_ Uh, who the fuck are you and why are you not addressing the spam
           that you have sent to csua@csua properly?
           \_ He is Paolo, boy wonder.
              \_ no fool, _I_ am paolo - batman.  Remember, i sign my posts.
                 why don't you sign your posts?
                 \_ Nah-nah nah-nah nah-nah nah-nah. Batman!
                    \_ I mean Leader!
        \_ you have 1 hour to sign this or it gets purged

2/23    Large, somewhat worn but reasonably nice couch, available for the
troll   pick-up (near Piedmont Ave., Oakland).
troll   http://www.csua.berkeley.edu/~tom/couch1.jpg.  Mail tom.
troll   \_ thank goodness you're getting a new one -- that one's pretty ugly!
troll           \_ it has a certain something... not a good certain something,
troll              but something.  It shows a certain kind of... taste.
troll              \_ the kind known as "bad"?
troll                   \_ I bought it for $50 from my roommate who was
troll                      leaving town, 8 years ago.  It is not
troll                      particularly a reflection of my taste.  And I
troll                      challenge you to find a better couch for free. -tom

2/24    Is there a good reason why UNIX prohibits normal users from
troll   making NFS mounts?
troll   \_ Well, it's not as good as prohibiting ANYONE from making an
troll      NFS mount, but you have got to let SOMEONE do whatever they want on
troll      a system, NFS mounts, after all, aren't ALWAYS the wrong solution.
troll      (just usually).
troll   \_ Solaris automounter allows any user to mount a filesystem from
troll      remote host as long as it is exported to you. So there is a way
troll      to do this on unix.
troll         \_ automounter bad. very bad. evil. spawn of the devil.
troll            only bill's network neighborhood is worse.
troll            if you need automounter functionality use AFS (its free
troll            now). AFS good.
troll      \_ you don't do it, the autofs system does it for you.  you
troll         as a normal user just make requests to autofs.  you can not,
troll         as a normal user with normal user permissions, ask autofs
troll         to mount a NFS export on any arbitrary mount point, only
troll         on those mount points that autofs is configured to manage --
troll         say /net, /home, /project, and you can not tell autofs, as
troll         a normal user, what mount options to use --jon
troll         \_ That's what I mean jon. Being able to mount things under
troll            /net is still much better than not being able to mount
troll            anything at all.
troll   \_ If you could mount any filesystem you want, anywhere you want,
troll      then you could do something like mount your own filesystem on
troll      /etc containing a passwd file in which you know the root passwd
troll      and give yourself root.  (This is just one of many possibilities.)
troll      \_ First of all, both /etc and /etc/passwd already exist and
troll         they're both owned by root on that machine. You can't
troll         overwrite them. Second of all, if there were to be such
troll         thing as user-controlled NFS you shouldn't have any more
troll         permissions than you normally would. In other words, if I
troll         don't have permission to create a new file or directory in
troll         / I shouldn't have the permission to mount a drive at that
troll         location.
troll           \_ But I could remotely mount your home directory on my
troll              machine where I have root and su to the same uid/gid you
troll              have on the remote host and then fuck with your files
troll              over nfs as "you".  Depending on how the mount points
troll              are exported, I could do the same to root owned files
troll              as well, such as /usr, /var, and others.  Got the picture?
troll              \_ We're talking about user controlled NFS clients, not
troll                 servers. As an NFS server, I, as root, would never
troll                 let you mount my disk so that you can fuck around
troll                 with it unless you had a legit reason in which case
troll                 I would have created a little restricted sandbox
troll                 directory for you to muck around with. But I think
troll                 it would be a useful idea (and relatively safe) to
troll                 have a SMB-like user-controlled mounting of remote
troll                 filesystems. I have yet to see why this is unsafe.
troll                 I have an account on CSUA called jondoe. On my
troll                 Unix box at home I want to mount everything in
troll                 ~jondoe at CSUA by supplying my jondoe username/
troll                 password pair and everything in ~jondoe is mounted
troll                 on my home computer. CSUA will only let me access
troll                 files in ~jondoe with the same permissions that
troll                 jondoe himself would normally be able to access.
troll                 \_ Yes.  That's all well and good.  Now explain what
troll                    prevents me from setting up a jondoe account on _my_
troll                    home machine with _your_ uid/gui and mounting _your_
troll                    jondoe account.  NFS has what sort of security to
troll                    prevent this?  None.  Please explain why I couldn't
troll                    do this.
troll                    \_ First of all, even stock NFS controls what
troll                       machines you export to.  Obviously it would be
troll                       silly to export csua home directories to the
troll                       world with no restrictions, but if you trust
troll                       a particular machine, this isn't a problem.
troll                       And second, NFS does have the facility to
troll                       use public-key authentication, though it's not
troll                       often used around here.  -tom
troll                    \_ Because you have to have jondoe's password to do
troll                       this.  Think of it this way.  jondoe logs into
troll                       csua, and types some magical command called
troll                       "nfsexport home-machine-ip" which exports HIS
troll                       home directory to that IP.  Or, he can run
troll                       "nfsexport jondoe@csua", type in his CSUA
troll                       password, and get access to his files.  Yes,
troll                       NFS has minimalistic security, but it doesn't
troll                       have to be NFS, maybe another similar system.
troll                       Now explain to me why this won't work, and why
troll                       this system, which would seem very useful,
troll                       isn't in place.
troll                 \_ Yes!  This is exactly what I mean.  Why isn't this
troll                    done?                -original poster
troll                    \_ Can you think about the potential problems?
troll                    \_ jondoe is exporting. Different from mounting.
troll                       What was your question again?
troll   \_ Switch to plan9.

2/24    Looking for a good tutorial for learning to program for the Palm.
troll   I'd prefer to be in a unix environment, but, whatever makes it
troll   easeies/most efficeint. pointers?
troll   \_ most people use MetroWerks CodeWarrior for Palm, so that'd be the
troll      most painless to use. (But it also costs money and is available for
troll      only Windows and MacOS.) For gcc, you'll need PRC-Tools
troll      ( http://www.palmos.com/dev/tech/tools/gcc ).  I found most
troll      tutorials to be long-winded and a waste of time (Palm's CodeWarrior
troll      tutorial is ~200 pages).  I think the best way to learn would be to
troll      look at the sample code Palm provides and read the SDK companion and
troll      reference documents.  You may find the Palm OS Programmer's FAQ
troll      useful ( http://www.cyberport.com/~tangent/palm/faq ) --jameslin
troll   \_ Why would you want to program for palm?
troll      \_ because programming for WinCE is painful
troll           \_ Missing the point: why would you want to program for any
troll              the toyish hand held devices?
troll              \_ as opposed to which other hand held devices? -ali
troll              \_ Playstation, Xbox, etc. are all toys, too.  Why would
troll                 anyone want to program for them?

2/24    looking for a URL that references the fencing term that's pronounced
troll   too.shey. How is it spelled? What is it?
troll   \_ touche'
troll      \_ Or touché, in ISO Latin-1.  It means "touched" in French.
troll   \_ note that most search engines don't index vowel diacritics
troll      separately, so searching for just "touche", without the accent,
troll      will get you what you need.  -alexf
troll      \_ just like resume,huh?
troll           \_ Yeah, just like.  Join this millenium.
troll              \_ millennium, even.

2/24    ok, so I'm thiknig of buying a new penis, since apparently
troll   honda decided that civic hatchbacks are not hip and sexy and
troll   discotinued them in '97.  anyone got any bad/good experience?
troll      \_ You are buying a car?!? Oh the horror! Oh the humanity!
troll         Don't you care about our precious pale blue dot and its
troll         environment? If you buy a car, it will need gas. This is
troll         just the excuse that Dumbya Bush needs to install Oil Wells
troll         in Alaska and off the coast of California.
troll         Just because I lost is no reason to give up the fight!
troll         - Al Gore (Join Team Gore 2k4: The committee to retake
troll                    the White House by Any Means Necessary)
troll    \_ Experience?  No.  But imagine what you'll look like when your
troll      little golf gets smacked by something 4 times bigger like a
troll      CSUAer on a bike with linux loaded laptop in hand....
troll      \_ OSuX! OSuX! 1T'5 A11 A80U+ OSuX D00D! K3WL AKWUA & 5H1T!
troll      \_ 5UV! 5UV! 1T'5 A11 A80U+ 5UV D00D! GA5 GU55L3R & 5H1T!
troll   \_ R1D3 B1K3! RUN GN00/L1N5UX! D00D! - 3133T H@X0R
troll   \_ You probably be wanting one of these for your Golf:
troll      http://collegehumor.com/pictures/tailpipe.html
troll

2/25    All motd trolls will now be marked with troll on the side. As
troll   such, all authors of trolls shall be subjected to horse
troll   whipping.
troll   \_ Uh whatever.  A troll is in the eye of the beholder anyway.  It's
troll      really the fault of the rest of you for encouraging it by responding
troll      or getting suckered into flame wars about it.
troll   \_ So why is the following a troll:
troll      "R1D3 B1K3! RUN GN00/L1N5UX! D00D! - 3133T H@X0R"
troll      While this one isn't a trool:
troll      5UV! 5UV! 1T'5 A11 A80U+ 5UV D00D! GA5 GU55L3R & 5H1T!
troll      You have no standards.
troll      \_ Too much work. I only mark first and second level trolls.
troll         Plus, if a new thread comes under a troll it is automatically
troll         considered a troll.
troll         \_ If a thread is under a bridge, is it assumed to be a
troll            troll?

2/25    All motd trolls will now be marked with troll on the side. As
        such, all authors of trolls shall be subjected to horse
        whipping.
troll   \_ Uh whatever.  A troll is in the eye of the beholder anyway.  It's
           really the fault of the rest of you for encouraging it by responding
           or getting suckered into flame wars about it.
        \_ Uh whatever.  A troll is in the eye of the beholder anyway.  It's
           really the fault of the rest of you for encouraging it by responding
           or getting suckered into flame wars about it.
        \_ So why is the following a troll:
           "R1D3 B1K3! RUN GN00/L1N5UX! D00D! - 3133T H@X0R"
           While this one isn't a trool:
           5UV! 5UV! 1T'5 A11 A80U+ 5UV D00D! GA5 GU55L3R & 5H1T!
           You have no standards.
           \_ Too much work. I only mark first and second level trolls.
              Plus, if a new thread comes under a troll it is automatically
              considered a troll.

2/22    Where do people buy acid in berkeley?
        \_ cloyne court.  2600 ridge rode.
           \_ Yeah, but who?  (Not like I expect an actual name to show up
              on the motd)  Just ask at the front door?
                \_ Yes.  "Hi, I'm here to buy acid.  Which room?"
        \_ does anyone on soda sell acid?
           \_ yes.  just think about it, and read the aliases file.
        \_ Latimer Hall has lots of kinds of acid.
              \_ Also VLSB and LSA. Really strong acids too.
                 You could probably get some free base to go
                 along with your acid. (Pardon the puns).
           \_ Don't be stupid.
              \_ What the hell do you think those organic chemistry
                 grad students are *really* doing?
                 \_ Don't be stupid.
                 \_ making speed. it was on the news a couple of years ago.
                    responsible for 1/3 the meth supply of the state.
                    Go Bears.
        \_ casa zimbabwe, look for it at http://www.usca.org ask for fliz or
           the house mgr.  say you are looking for "a joyride".  make sure
           they know it's acid, not e or special k that you want.  get a
           pager number from the dealer he hooks you up with.
        \_ The USCA Coops Central Office.  Ask anyone behind the counter.
           If they're out that day, they can direct you to the right coop
           house.

2/17    UC to consider dropping SAT I:
        http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nyt/20010217/ts/head_of_u_of_california_seeks_to_end_sat_use_in_admissions_1.html
        [replaced by the anti-censor. stop censoring other people's post
         you fucking twit. first you say that urls will be purged unless
         they have a description. not only do i think that's stupid but
         this has a fucking description. we're not a facist society]

2/16    <DEAD>www.buyscraponline.com<DEAD>
        \_ [censor threat censored by anti-censor god]

2/14    Lonely on 2/14? Call your mom. Get her something nice.
        \_ I already got yermom something nice.  Why didn't you?  You're
           a customer.
        \_ What if your mom is dead?  -welch
                \_ of the 200+ sorried users, is this one's mother dead?
                        \_ sigh.  too many newbies.
                           \_ #f. i've been around for years, this one
                                must've escaped me. i feel so left out!

2/7     Something wrong with csua ssh connection?
        \_ yes, the version just installed is known to be broken, and root
           is ignoring complaints about it.  -tom
           \_ I think root is just ignoring you.
              \_ OpenSSH works fine for me.
           \_ maybe root has a tom-filter...
              \_ ipchains -A input -s tom -d politburo -j REJECT
                 \_ if tom was cool and 31337 he could get thru since
                    ipchains doesn't have state.
                       \_ Too bad LinSUX doesn't have ipf/ipnat
                          like REAL OSes!
                    \_ At some point, when 2.4 is stable, we'll use iptables.
                       \_ 2.4 is stable. 2.4.1 is out. iptables >> ipchains
                          Use it:
                            iptables -A INPUT -s top -d politburo -j DROP
                          really is more accurate, as he was ignored, not
                          told to shutup and go away.
                           \_ Are all these people truly so moronic that
                              they do not realize that soda is running FreeBSD?
                              \_ enjoy it while it lasts, monkey boy.
                                 - Penguin Construction, you got boxes, we
                                   pave 'em.
                                   \_ Uh?  It's a shell.  It runs commands.
                                      As a non-admin user why do you give a
                                      flying rat's ass what the underlying
                                      kernel is?
                                      \_ uh?  tcsh and bash are shells.  linux
                                         and freebsd are operating systems.
                                   \_ Welcome tasty penguin. - THE DAEMON
                              \_ What soda is not a 31337 L1NUX B0X!?! I'm
                                 quiting the csua. - B1K3 R1D3R
                                 \_ lemonade.csua already is.
                                     \_ what the hell is "nlogin"?

2/5     If you have an idea for a CSUA-sponsored talk, no matter how lame
        it sounds, and you want to do it, don't wonder if you should or not.
        Just go into the office and demand support.  Get involved.  It can't
        be any lamer than the silent MOTD readers.
        \_I have to disagree here, there are some topics which don't yield
          themselves to discussion at a CSUA-sponsored talk.  I once
          brought up having a WAREZ club, so all the people in CSUA could
          trade software.  The officers flipped and talked about how after
          we graduated we would realize how much money pirates were stealing
          from us (as programmers in the real world) blah, blah, blah...
          Point is, my "idea" was blown out of the water, so think twice
          before bringing up an idea, it could be lame in other people's
          eyes even if it's way too cool in yours.
                \_ oh my god!  The rejection!  Yeah, you're right; if there's
                   any chance you'll be rejected you better NOT EVEN TRY
                   YOU FUCKING WANKY LOSER.  WHY DON'T YOU JUST CRAWL
                   INTO A HOLE AND DIE!
                \_ for one thing, it's not pronounced "juarez"  -tom
                   \_ I fell off the edge again.
          \_ First of all the idea needs to be legal.  duh?
          \_ warez?  grow up.  pr0n is where it's at.
             \_ Where can I get my CSUA-sponsored pr0n?

1/2     I asked Santa to give me this mysterious sexy blue hat CSUA chick
        for X-Mas but I didn't get it. How do I get it?
        \_ URL?
           \_ http://www-server.bcc.ac.uk/~zcapl61/santa.html
              \_ is this work safe?
                 \_ yes, text only.

"I simply write about my thoughts. Whatever happens happens, I hope they'll
find a good editor because most of it is crap."
\_ ED! ED! ED is the STANDARD! Editor.
        \_ Is that the one with the fish?

1/24    CSUA Poll: Best Christmas Movie of All Time:
         - National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation        3
         - A Christmas Story                            3
         - Die Hard!                                    1
         - Batman Returns - paolo                       1
         - JINGLE ALL THE WAY                           1
         - Nightmare Before Christmas                   1
         - Grinch (the real one, not the JimC shit)     1
        \_ But which one is the standard?  Life's meaning is obscured
           without. -ED user
           without this. -ED user
                \_ The Christmas Carol is the standard, but it's been done
                   to death.  (It's a Wonderful Life is up there too, and
                   has also been redone so many times it's mind-numbing.)
           \_ Charlie Brown Xmas Special.  W/ score by Vince Geraldi.
              the bending of the tree by hanging 1 ornament.  Classic.
              - paolo
        \_ Faces of Death II.  That always gets me in the right mood. -John

12/8    Since when did the http://www.Berkeley.edu search engine switch to google?
        (man, those other ones sucked)
        \_ The previous (Cha-Cha) one was a SIMS research project
        \_ I guess Stanford schooled us, once again.
        \_ Is there a reason to use any other seach engine but Google?
           Hotbot used to be good. I guess I still use Yahoo, which now has
           Google backend.
           \_ Hotbot just used Inktomi anyway
           \_ I still use AltaVista
                \_ Heathen throwback.
        \_ Brewer deserves it for being a pompous ass.
                            \_ who is Brewer?
                               \_ Corporate Whore Supreme of the cs dept.
                                  multimillionaire who teaches 169 on occasion
                                  and is otherwise very hard to find on campus
                                  \_ Holy shit!  You mean he used his
                                     considerable skills, talents, and
                                     experience to improve his lot in life?
                                     How truly offensive!  I feel, no, I
                                     *demand* that he hold true to his
                                     academic background and work for free for
                                     the betterment of all!  If not, I'm going
                                     to protest by never attending another CS
                                     class again!  Down with money making
                                     Profs!  Up with the people!  Where's that
                                     bh vodka glasses into the fire quote when
                                     you need it?  You, sir, are an idiot.
                                     \_ You, sir, are a whore.
                                     \_ maybe such a busy multimillionaire
                                        shouldn't be teaching a class
                                        or conducting research if he's
                                        so busy.  if he really did want
                                        to charge the university hundreds
                                        of thousands, that seems rather
                                        crass, since his position and
                                        research at the university is
                                        \_ Have you ever met him? Jeez!
                                        directly responsible for his wealth
                                        \_ No shit, he should share some of
                                           that wealth with UC.  Aren't they
                                           using that NOW technology?
                                  \_ is he still a multi-millionaire with the
                                     current stock market woes?
                                     \_ http://biz.yahoo.com/t/83/5566.html
                \_ the reason the Berkeley home page is not using hotbot/
                   inktomi is that Brewer demanded like a million bucks
                   for it.
                   \_ is this true?
                        \_ I'm not surprised, the going rate for search engine
                           contracts for company intranets is around that
                           range, like $50 per seat.  So for 20,000 students,
                           that's $1million.  Yes, Brewer's a fucker.
                   \_ The berkeley home page should be using "grep".
                      \_ ED!  ED!  ED is the STANDARD!  Search engine.

11/13   <DEAD>url-without-comments-deleted.com<DEAD>
        \_ Uh ok.  More lefty censorship.  Next time I'll put a comment in
           pointing out that the URL demonstrates the obviously unfair and
           biased nature of the Florida theft by the Daley/Gore ticket.

10/31   /dev/da0e             1270240  1166771     1850   100%    /var/mail
        \_ Whee!
        \_ This is why soda should just forward email.
        \_ Top 10 "offenders":
           \_ this is less than 10 mb.  how is that even offensive.
        \_ This comes up every fucking month.  Why don't we get some
           more goddamn disk space?
                \_ Because it's stupid to buy more disk for old machine
                   when new machine with much more disk is already being
                   set up.
           \_ yes sir - #1 slave
              \_ Faster, you lazy bastard!  The disk is still full!

           -rw-rw----   1 jon       mail    9958427 Oct 31 16:27 jon
           -rw-------   1 rajah     csua    8740763 Oct 31 14:38 rajah
           -rw-rw----   1 apl       mail    7178201 Oct 31 16:04 apl
           -rw-------   1 elizp     csua    4827154 Oct 31 16:29 elizp
           -rw-rw----   1 deschan   mail    4024243 Oct 31 10:24 deschan
           -rw-rw----   1 mackn     mail    3963281 Oct 31 00:25 mackn
           -rw-rw----   1 tpc       mail    3874439 Oct 31 16:46 tpc
           -rw-------   1 ginocide  csua    3826808 Oct 31 13:35 ginocide
           -rw-------   1 randyc    mail    3813542 Oct 31 15:56 randyc
           -rw-------   1 gsu       mail    3804333 Oct 31 10:14 gsu
        \_ Why doesn't someone in the politburo start giving warning
           notices to the disk hosers, and if they don't reply/delete
           mail/whatever after a certain number of days, then take
           corrective action into your own hands.
                \_ Because they don't care and shouldn't have to?  Ask the VP
                   to make a new policy that spools get stored in homes.  This
                   should've been done years ago.  Use the source, Luke.
        \_ why can't we just deliver mail to user home directories already.
           Puts it under user quota and distributes the mail more evenly across
           the system's disks.
                \_ Because that makes too much sense.  People have been saying
                   exactly what you just said for years.
                \_ That's asinine.  A lot of users have only 8 megs, and besides,
                   from a dumbass user's standpoint you don't want a core dump
                   to prevent you from getting mail.  Disk space is cheap.
                        \_ dumbass users should limit coredumpsize 0

10/30   Are there any 24 hr oil change places in/around Berkeley?
        \_ It's called the San Francisco Bay.  Stop driving already.
        \_ No. Berkeley's retail stores as a set can be considered as
           a vast outdoor mall which closes at 11:30, after which the
           mall security (Berkeley PD) come to beat up and generally
           harass any remaining shoppers and/or loiterers (homeless).
           Thank you for shopping Berkeley!
           \_ being pissed about berkeley's businesses closing early
              is fine, but do you really want a 24 oil change place
              in your neighborhood?  I've never even seen one
              anywhere.
                \_ Fuck NIMBYism.
           \_ AROUND motherfucker, do you know what it means?
                \_ No. Now fuck off.

10/26   Ugh, got a closed book closed notes exam, but I can bring ONE
        sheet of double side notes. Does that mean I can bring any sheet,
        like a 20"X16" double sided sheet? I'm not trolling.
        \_ bring this: http://www.casting-couch.com/tour/0036-11/images/010.jpg
        \_ Actually, it means that you should go to crate and barrel and
           purchase a large roll of butcher paper and xerox the entire
           book onto it and then bring it with you. DUH!
           \_ Microfiche.
        \_ hand-written? Or can you type it up and use abbreviations and
           then use a Xerox machine to reduce it? That's what I did for
           my poli-sci class. They gave the 8 essay questions beforehand
           and said 5 of these will be on the exam and you get to choose
           any 3 of them to answer. But can bring one 8.5x11" piece of paper.
           I prepared all my answers before the exam and spent the entire
           exam just copying text into my bluebook. Filled up the entire
           bluebook plus the back inside cover.
        \_ but in reality, how many of you used those sheets?  Maybe
           all you needed was the comfort in having that sheet, and the
           trouble not having to memorize a few number of formulas.
             \_ there's only one occasion when bringing that piece of
                crap actually helped me.  on my two physics 7b midterms,
                it just so happened that the exact example of a refraction
                problem copied out of a schaum's outline was on the test,
                (except for the numbers of course), and on another, the
                I had the equation for some Hydrogen  quantum bs equation
                on my cheat.  it was awesome b/c I way above mean on both,
                beating out the nerds who usually kicked my ass on exams.
                unfortunately, i got totally fucked on my final, but
                the glory was fun while it lasted.  nothing like a good ego
                boost during the dark physics 7 series days.  you should
                always go for closed book since the effort to
                memorize stuff is minimal, prevents from getting totally
                trashed on an open-book which is supposed to be "easy."
                \_ Open book can be easier depending on the prof. Olander,
                   in NE and Komvopolus (sp?), Pruitt in ME, Gronsky,
           tested, make it close book. This one or two pages only stuff
                   Weber in MSE gave open book exams that were pretty
                   easy. Their exams would have been next to impossible
                   had they been closed book since there was always too
                   much to memorize. ----ranga
           \_ I usually found that creating the "cheat" sheet helped me
              more than the actual cheat sheet. Though in some ME classes
              the formulas came in handy. ----ranga
        \_ These are my favorite exam rules.  No having to book-flip to
           search for stuff, and no memorizing of stupid formulae.  Just
           put down the key stuff in the class which let you figure anything
           else out and don't worry.  --PeterM
           \_ The other one (which I personally like) is having created
              or extracted a good 1-2 page appendix (EG, the back inside
              cover of P&H for 61c), which is included with the exam.
              A little more work in some respects, but very useful for

              the students without the chaos of an open book test. -nweaver
        \_ This is my absolute LEAST favorite exam rules. Look, if you want
           to make a hard exam testing concepts, gimme open book/open notes
           and I'll bookmark pages, mark-up lecture notes, whatever. If you
           want to give an easier exam where some memorization is being
           tested, make it closed book. This one or two pages only stuff
           just turns the whole thing into some game where people try and
           cram as much onto one sheet as possible... and the prof thinks
           he can ask open-book-type questions because "you should have
           written that important fact down." Grrr... I hate them.
                \_ the other option which i liked better were the classes
                   that gave everyone the same cheat sheet attached to the
                   exam.  why make people memorize a ton of equations and
                   why be unfair about cheat sheets?  everybody knows ahead
                   of time what they'll be provided with and everybody has
                   access to all the same info during the exam...
           \_ I agree.  I refused to play the game and brought in 2 pages
              of notes with huge handwriting.  When the TA gave me trouble,
              I told him to compare the number of bits on my two sheets with
              the number of bits on the cram sheet of the person in front of
              me with microscopic handwritting.  The TA gave up eventually.
              \_ Actually I'd have walked up to you and said, "Which page
                 do you want?  You can only keep one."  And if you kept
                 going on your two page thing I'd just fail you.  Seriously.
                 Unless you seemed to have a genuine, non-renegade,
                 non-protest reason for bringing in two pages. But anyways,
                 this was just to balance your remarks.
                 \_ Because I have a vision problem and you're discriminating
                    against me and everyone like me.  -!not the two sheet person
           \_ Anyone who *needs* to bring in a sheet with teeny-tiny little
              writing on it is screwed anyway.  I handwrote all my cheatsheets
              in normal writing and usually had about half a side left.
                  \_ i don't think most people really need them.  it's
                     just an OK but rather time-consuming way to study for
                     an exam as you are writing the notes.  keep in mind
                     that cal professors in engineering are mostly looking
                     for understanding, and not the amount of crap that
                     you blindly memorized.
                     \_ Depends on the department. Some profs. in MSE
                        really were interesed in whether or not your could
                        memorize stuff from the book.

10/19   One might think that a CS group at Berkeley could come up with a
        more advanced system of discourse than editing, without locks,
        a shared text file.
        \_ wall y, bumfuck.
        \_ It works.  Don't like it?  Use that genius of yours to find a better
           solution while still maintaining optional anonymity.
           \_ Perhaps we can make it a pseudo-device, that allows only serialized
              access to the file.
        \_ oh please. CSUA != CS, CSUA != XCF, CSUA == sys admin
           \_ fuck off. that's so 20th century.
        \_ Anonymity is key, boy!  As well as elegance!  World-writable
           motd's are very elegant.
        \_ hi marco

10/19   I'm taking an SITN NDO class. Unlike Berkeley the professor actually
        responds to you promptly. Also you can talk to them like normal
        people and you don't have to wait in line for the stupid office
        hours, or get defered to an undergrad TA like Berkeley jerk professors
        do. You can say StanfUrd for all I care, but it is simply a better
        school                                          -Cal graduate
               \_ it's a stanford class?  man, i was over at stanford
                  dropping stuff off to my stanford buddy, and damn,
                  there were babes walking all over campus!
                  mind you, mostly white chicks, a few asians here and there,
                  but damn, they were cute!!! much better looking than
                  an cal women.  i was glad i got lost looking for his damn
                  lab  =)
        \_ I've taken 5 or 6 NDO classes towards a masters degree and I've
           found the profs. to be quite friendly. They are usually interested
           in what your are doing at work and mostly answer questions promptly.
           The TA's kinda suck though, but I guess thats to be expected from
           them since they are still pretty young (younger than me that is).
           - Cal graduate who is happy with the farm
           \_ I've had the same experience at Cal with any prof I actually went
              up to. Perhaps you were just too lazy to get off your ass.

10/5    3865   100%    /var/mail
        \_ I sense much mail bouncing tomorrow morning

      __
  \__/ .\/ tweet tweet
  /     /\ beeeeeyatch
  \____/
   | |
  /\ /\
        \_ Will Mark vi have more mail space?
           \_ When it becomes an IMAP-only server, yes!  Welcome to the New
              Way.
              \_ Soda ought not dictate the method of reading/storing mail.

                 - old geezer who still uses mh
        \_ Biggest offenders:
           --rw-rw----   1 jon       mail    15399014 Oct  6 00:22 jon
                                         \_  16075605 Oct  6 13:28 jon
           --rw-rw----   1 jon       mail           0 Oct  6 13:40 /var/mail/jon
           --rw-------   1 tse       mail     7157578 Oct  6 00:54 tse
           --rw-rw----   1 muchandr  mail     5164239 Oct  5 22:53 muchandr
           --rw-rw----   1 sky       mail     4765757 Oct  5 23:35 sky
           --rw-------   1 gsu       mail     4387733 Oct  5 19:53 gsu
           --rw-------   1 rbola     mail     4337005 Oct  5 21:42 rbola
           --rw-rw----   1 jstanko   mail     4208883 Oct  5 00:33 jstanko
           --rw-rw----   1 jh        mail     4097161 Oct  5 23:36 jh
           --rw-rw----   1 klee      mail     3988082 Oct  6 00:50 klee
           --rw-rw----   1 rico      mail     3917348 Oct  5 23:37 rico
                 \_ Soda gains sentience, enforces mail reading policy.
                    Film at 11.
                    \_ Requiring an imap compatible reader is silly.  Just
                       dump it in home dirs and let people deal as they
                       choose.
        \_ New list of "offenders" (All under 15 MB quota, but these sizes
           are still unbelieveably large):
           \_ Most of these "offenders" are way below the 15 meg quota
              alloted for mail.
           muchandr  -> 5.0 M
           \_ Muchandr is a repeat offender.  I think he falls
              under the three strikes rule, let's sorry him!
           sky       -> 4.6 M
           gsu       -> 4.2 M
           rbola     -> 4.1 M
           jh        -> 3.9 M
                \_ jh ought to be excused if he comes and playes netrek
                \_ jh ought to be excused if he comes and plays netrek
                   for GB again, umd traitor scum.  -John
           klee      -> 3.8 M
           annes     -> 3.7 M
           rico      -> 3.7 M
           wendyg    -> 3.7 M
           kube      -> 3.6 M
        \_ imho, soda should just forward mail.
           \_ wrong.
                \_ An opinion can't be wrong.  But it would be wrong to
                   implement this opinion.
                   \= okay, IMHO WRONG!!!!
                        \_ Thanks.
                \_ This sounds like a good idea... there are plenty of
                   other places people can do their email these days.
                   \_ IMHO U 12 W210NG D00D!
           \_ imho, user email should wind up in user home directories, and
                    email as you have to store gay porn.
              fall under user quota.
              \_ that's an interesting idea... but then people would
                        \_ Where is it written anyone has a _right_ to store
                           porn?
                 never clear out their mailspool, they'd just let it
                 collect in their 10 meg quota.
                 \_ so??  its their 10 meg quota, who are you to decide what
                    they store in it.  They have just as much right to store
                    email as you have to store hot gay porn.
                    \_ if everyone on soda used their 10 megs of quota,
                       we'd be screwed.  - danh
                        \_ Where is it written that anyone has a _right_ to
                           store porn?
                           \_ Where is it written that anyone has the _right_
                              to store email?
                                \_ It isn't.  The priviledge is part of having
                                   a unix account unless otherwise specified.
                                   Porn is not a promised or implied right or
                                   priviledge.
              \_ Argeed. Use mh. Save a mail spool.
              \_ Ermmm...  no

9/26    When my client, get's disconnected I get a message "reset by peer"
        Does it mean, csua reset's my session or, My ISP disconnect's me,
        from the session?
        \_ Why all the extraneous apostrophes? don't people even pretend
           to know grammar anymore?
           \_ 311T3 Hax0012 D0 ! N33D G12AMMA12 D00D
        \_ It means that someone tried a tcp hijack on your ssh session
           and the server broke the connection. Otherwise, soda rebooted.
                \_ Or you hit soda's 24 hour keepalive timeout and your
                   ISP's firewall isn't playing nicely.  (Or your ISP
                   session timed out & you reconnected with a new IP
                   address.)
                   \_ or soda crashed and rebooted.
        \_ It means your lost your connection.  Why do you care?
           \_ Well, just wondering which side is doing the reset since it
              happens quite frequently, if it's not from csua, then I may
              be able to do something on my end to fix this problem.

9/21    Stupid stuff expunged. I'm deeply worried about the kind of people
        we are letting on soda these days.

9/8     Shouldnt there be a Trevor Buckingham entry in the CSUA
        Encyclopedia by now?
        \_ There's a Trevor entry in the Playboy encyclopedia. Something
           like loser, reject, etc...
        \_ where can i read the CSUA encyclopedia? --chris
           \_ www.csua then click "CSUA Encyclopedia"... or go here:
              http://www.csua.berkeley.edu/~appel/csua.html
              Note: No info on Trevor... what gives?
              \_ The encyclopaedia and be-boys do not lend themselves
                 to cohabitation.

7/27    [ stupid troll about ali deleted ] - mad motd troll deleter

7/19    I would like to set my display to another machine that is
        listening for X11 on a port other than 6000.  How can I?
        \_ If you set your DISPLAY to server:42, your X clients will
           connect to server on port 6000 + 42.  This will work for
           any port above 6000.  Connecting to ports under 6000 isn't
           supported, and negative numbers don't work, but you can
           specify large numbers and they'll be treated as negative --
           for example, on a 32-bit system, server:4294967295 would
           connect to port 5999.
            \_ cool. How are you figuring that 429467295 = -1 ?
               (or 4294961295 = -1?)?
               \_ 2^32-1. Look up "two's complement" in any intro
                  architecture/digital design text (150 and 61c texts
                  included).
               \_ [ad hominem deleted. not everyone here is in CS, by major
                   _or_ profession]
                        \_ If they have no interest in CS, they have no
                           business being in the CSUA
                           \_ Bullshit.  Go read the CSUA constitution and
                              bylaws.
                              \_ the csua is for people who can't get into
                                 cs and are desperately looking for some
                                 skills to learn so they don't have to
                                 flip burgers otherwise.
                                  \_ do you want fries with that?
                     /_ The CSUA is for everyone.  CS students and non
                        students alike. - Paolo, CSUA President.
                        - and on a personal note.  Fuck you.
                   \_  umm, moron, i have established interest by the
                        intial question and the further asking for detail.
                        As to the CENsor, thanks but no thanks; i would
                          \_ Restoration of previous ad hominem:
                             "This person is too dumb to be in CS."
                        like to have been able to read the personal
                        attack and it isn't even in ERic's motd archive.
                        For info i was not in the major, i AM in the
                        profession (if y'all accept blue-collar sys
                        admining as part of "the profession") -TOP
                \_ I think whether they're "qualified" to be in the CSUA
                   is irrelevant; whether they're qualified to participate
                   in a discussion where they have no knowledge is the
                   issue.  -tom
                   \_ The individual in question is _seeking_ said knowledge.
                      Which leaves you, yet again, without a point. Shut the
                      fuck up tom.

7/14    Its been a while since my UCB days.  Out of curiosity, what
p       are the most popular dorms students want to be in?
        \_ 343 soda
           \_ is that like WEB or 260 Evans? -- pre-Soda geek.
                \_ 238 Evans
                   \_ yermom's guest house
        \_ that's only for cs dorks.  typically, foothill, unit 3,
           and clark kerr (for people with cars) are the desired
           spots                           \_ Ride bike!  I did.
           spots
           \_ Jeez, you lazy schmuk. I used to walk from clark kerr,
             until I rode bike. -- grouchy oldtime sodan
                \_ well, it was also fucking expensive and FAR, so there...
                      -- he who walked alot in berkeley
                \_ Moron, there are other places to go besides driving to
                   campus from the dorms.  Life as a student is not just
                   "wake up, go to lecture, eat, go to sleep, repeat".
                   \_ of course not.  There's also the hacking on random
                      things.
                      \_ and chasing after chicks.
                         \_ and masturbating
           \_ What's with all the complaining i hear from recent grads about
              clark-kerr being "far"? Man, back in the 1980s, people were
              happy to be in Dwight-Derby (it's old name?) and nobody
              complained. Sheesh. Wimps. -- mid-1980s eecs major
           \_ fuck dorms, just live in a Student Group Office like
              vadim does in the XCF - well (former XCF)
                \_ XCF must die! - recent /. headline
        \_ Evans. -wnj

7/13    censor this troll
        \_ xxxxxx xxxxx   xxx   Happy   xxx xxx x xxxxxxxx
           (Response censored.)

7/13    Why do my trolls get deleted so fast?   There should be at least a
        3 day turnaround on those threads.  Special threads like asian girls
        and white guys or dateless soda l0sers should go on for at least one
        week.  -motd troller #69
        \_ aaron, is that you?
        \_ Just breed more.  Works for me.  Maybe you need practice.

6/28    I've generated a list of popular trolls. Now I'm wondering
        what are some examples of a good meta-trolls?
        \_ self-referential ones are good.
           \_ Like, say, this one
                \_ Hello aaron!

        /- You people are ALL NUTS, sheesh!
        \_ Learn some English, buddy.

6/23    <TROLL>What are employers looking for in web designers nowadays?
        Which books should I study up on?</TROLL>
        \_ <BLINK> Tags For Dumbasses, 3rd edition
        \_ &lt;BLINK&gt; Tags For Dumbasses, 3rd edition
           \_ </BLINK> -!dumbass
                         \_ oh yea?

6/23    What is the best (easiest) way to satisfy the American Cultures
        requirement together with the Humanities and Social Studies
        requirement for the College of Engineering?  -ax
        \_ College of Engineering has the easiest Humanities/Social Science/
           American Culture requirements a Cal student can have.  How easy
           do you want it to be?
        \_ Anthro 163AC with Dundes was really really good.  He tries to
           scare you off at the beginning, but if you stick with it, he
           grades really easy and you get to research anything from yermom
           jokes to stories told by welders.
        \_ Which ax is asking this question?  -ax (Axel)

6/7     Does anyone know if its possible to take any uc berkeley class
        through extension - former student wanting more enlightenment
        \_ you can take any regular berkeley class provided it has room
           in it and the professor doesn't object.  go visit the extension
           office for the relevant form.
        \_ Alan, is that you?
                \_ No, I already know the answer and if I didn't, know how
                   to find it faster/better than asking on the motd. -alan-
        \_ Yes.  Don't know the details, but I think this is common.  Try
           extension's website or call them.
                \_ It's called "concurrent enrollment".  Most of the big
                   classes are restricted, though you can still ask for the
                   prof's OK.  Upper-division classes are usually fine. -tom
        \_ My father was showing up at all sorts of engineering and cs classes.
           Didn't sign up, didn't pay anything, and the profs appreciated having
           someone who _wanted_ to be in their class.  Just show and talk to
           the profs if you don't need the grade on paper.
                \_ did he actually learn anything without doing HW + exams?
        \_ Academia rewls, industry sucks! GO BACK TO SCHOOL if you are
           \_ If people on the motd are so critical of acedemia why the hell
              did they even bother going to Berkeley in the first place?
           \_ I rule, yermom sucks!  Who's your Master???? Who's your
              Master!?!?!?!? -- sky 'slavemaster' king
                serious on being enlightened.
           \_ I agree.  -- motd academia god

5/30    Are the city engineers in Berkeley stupid?
        \_ Yes. 'Nuff said. Move on. Really no point on starting a thread on
           this.
        Why is it that the large
        streets (like University Ave. and parts of Telegraph) have their
        traffic lights timed to be red more often than green while the
        smaller streets that intersect them are green longer than red?
        \_ if you were so smart, you'd avoid driving on University and
           Telegraph near the campus and College and the other "big"
           streets
           \_ Even idiots don't drive near campus.  I'm talking about
              right after Jack in the Crack (small street before
              Alcatraz) and the 24 on/off ramp (no big surface streets
              intersecting them).
              \_ That would be Oakland, yes no?
        \_ People who drive or walk on the smallers streets have their
           rights too! -opressed smaller street walker
        \_ They must be. How else can you explain the repaving of Hearst
           east of Oxford after 10 years of disrepair and then promptly
           beginning to tear it up again?
            \_ that's the university doing infrastructure shite, not the city
           \_ No no, you mean every 2 years when city council elections
              come up.
           \_ how about the widening of the sidewalk on Center St. by campus
              a few years ago -- how long did that take? 6 months?
        \_ Duh.  Welcome to Berkeley.  It's *intentional*.  They _want_ to
           make it harder for drivers in Berkeley.  Duh, duh, duh.
           \_ Pshaw.  That implies that there's anything even remotely
               coherent in their 'planning'.  I think blatant stupidity
               applied in the most shortsighted manner possible is closer
               to the mark.

5/30    Are the city engineers in Berkeley stupid?

        Why is it that the large streets (like University Ave. and
        parts of Telegraph) have their traffic lights timed to be
        red more often than green while the smaller streets that
        intersect them are green longer than red?
        \_ if you were so smart, you'd avoid driving on University and
           Telegraph near the campus and College and the other "big"
           streets
           \_ Even idiots don't drive near campus.  I'm talking about
              right after Jack in the Crack (small street before
              Alcatraz) and the 24 on/off ramp (no big surface streets
              intersecting them).
              \_ That would be Oakland, yes no?
        \_ People who drive or walk on the smallers streets have their
           rights too! -opressed smaller street walker
        \_ They must be. How else can you explain the repaving of Hearst
           east of Oxford after 10 years of disrepair and then promptly
           beginning to tear it up again?
            \_ that's the university doing infrastructure shite, not the city
           \_ No no, you mean every 2 years when city council elections
              come up.
           \_ how about the widening of the sidewalk on Center St. by campus
              a few years ago -- how long did that take? 6 months?
        \_ Duh.  Welcome to Berkeley.  It's *intentional*.  They _want_ to
           make it harder for drivers in Berkeley.  Duh, duh, duh.
           \_ Pshaw.  That implies that there's anything even remotely
               coherent in their 'planning'.  I think blatant stupidity
               applied in the most shortsighted manner possible is closer
               to the mark.
                \_ Go to a city planning meeting.  They spell it out in plain
                   English.  Car drivers are evil and must be punished.  I
                   wouldn't bother to make this up.  When in Berkeley, you
                   should never attribute stupidity when evil will suffice.
                   You're talking about a place that wants to turn a bunch of
                   dilapidated structures (not enough left to call them
                   'buildings' anymore) into historic landmarks, thus keeping
                   prime real estate from being turned into job making
                   businesses and screwing the owners. It's Berkeley. Wake up.
        \_ Man, everything related to the city of berkeley just sucks.
           Why was rent control removed? when demand is greater than supply
                \_ Because Pete Wilson outlawed rent control statewide.
                   Berkeley fought tooth-and-nail, but can't escape state law.
                   Get a clue you fucking whiner.
           rent control is good for the tenants. parking stinks, i think
           everyone w/ a car has paid at least 200 in parking tickets
          (me much more). Who here has parked at soda and gotten massive
           tickets?? Where do they expect people to park to go lab?
           \_ walk to lab, you fucking shithead.  know how much i paid
              in tickets in 4 years at cal?  nothing.  go back to LA
              and drive around with the rest of the auto-worshiping
              shitheads.
                \_ you probably live close enough to walk. not everyone
                    lives within walking distance. think b4 you speak
                \_ Ride Bike? Suck me bitch.
           This is the only city where they seem like they make life hard
           for the students, the non-students that generally make up the
           population of berkeley seem to want to make it hard for students
           to have proper accomodations... And how come we still have
           peoples park??? we need another unit... not a drugged&homeless
           gathering center. <sigh>
           \_ uh, rent control went away because vacancy rent control was
           \_ WILL SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!!????
           \_ can't we all just get along?

5/24    man page troll deleted.
        \_ it wasnt a troll. just lack of clue. Since the answer to every
           question posted is always RTFM, I would have thought that "how
           do I RTFM?" might actually get an answer.
                \_ shell_prompt% man man

5/24    I think the "XXX troll deleted" messages are a bit uncalled for
        sometimes.  I propose that if you are going to delete a post
        becuase you think it's a troll, you should sign your name, or
        maybe you should only need to sign your name when you delete
        a signed post.  Comments?  -emin
                \_ trolls never sign their names.  That's part of what
                   makes them trolls.  -tom
        \_ don't think its that necessary.
        \_ people who delete stuff that they think is a troll are censors.
        censors ar fucking assholes. period.  they just like to try
        to legitimize their censorship by signing or saying troll deleted.
        oh, an d did i say fuck you to all the censors?  here: fuck you.

5/24    Troll about deleting trolls deleted.
        \_ It wasn't a troll.  This is the kind of thing I was talking
           about.  I restored my post. -emin

5/22    Priceline-- troll deleted.
        \_ Damn it!  I missed a troll.  -disappointed

5/18    http://www.csua.berkeley.edu/~tpc/grrls
        Is this proper on CSUA?
        \_ doesn't seem to be violating any ucb rules. i'm not offended by it.
        \_ yes! thank you!
                \_ i fucking hate dorky ass girls.  how bout more pics
                of brooke berry buckingham williams/whatever ==ham.
                \_ Possibly some copyright violation, but who's the owner?
                   So who knows?

5/16    Any home owners here in soda?  What area is still 'reasonable' to buy
        property these days in the East Bay?
        \_ Oakland (Temescal/Piedmont Ave/Grand Lake), Berkeley flatlands. -tom
        \_ I got a house last year in El Cerrito. -- jsjacob
        \_ What is your price range?  And are you able to tolerate long
           commutes?  Would you settle for a townhouse or it has to be a
           single family house?  Is this a house for investment?  How long do
           you plan to live there?  Is school district important for you?
           There are a lot of questions that you have to answer before you
           can decide on an area.
           \_ a townhouse is settling?
                \_ Yes.
           \_ Exactly.  Any answer would be worthless without knowing these
              things.  Here's yet another example of an anonymous person
              having something more important to say than the two signed
              people who just babbled.  I deleted those comments to save them
              from the embarrassment of a comparison to the anonymous reply.
                 Also, I don't embrass easily. -- jsjacob
                 Also, I don't embarass easily. -- jsjacob
              \_ I answered the first question, not the second.
                 Also, I don't embarrass easily. -- jsjacob
                 \_ 'Reasonable' is a matter of opinion and circumstance and
                    can't be answered properly without more information.
                \_ get a fucking clue.  -tom
                   \_ Learn how to format your fucking motd posts so I don't
                      have to guess who the fuck you're addressing.
                \_ the moron who deleted actual answers to the question
                   in favor of his anonymous idiocy.  -tom
        \_ You have to ask? A General answer to your General question:
           Q:East Bay A:Oakland
           Cheaper, close for most commute, near BART/bus/freeway
        \_ Anonymous cowards aside, you can get good deals on nice houses
           in good neighberhoods in Oakland, particularly Temescal, Piedmont
           Avenue, and Grand Lake.  Other nice areas in Oakland (Rockridge,
           Montclair) are very expensive.  Berkeley flatlands can be OK
           though they vary from street to street.  -tom
                \_ to the anonymous coward who keeps deleting this: get
                   a fucking life.  -tom
        \_ forget about san francisco.  even the crappiest neighborhoods
           are no longer reasonable. -- joeking

4/23  The must-have O'Reilly nutshell book
      http://www.ora.com/catalog/evilgenius
        \_ Have you showered or had sex at anytime in the last 15 years?
           Have you learned to use the TAB key, yet?  Acquired the smallest
           shreds of a sense of humor, maybe?  Keep working at it.
      \_ Do the books have new stuff are they just the online stuff in
         book form?
         \_ the online stuff. But this is worth the $12 just to show
            the genuine o'reilly title on your bookshelf :-)
            \_ Worth it if you're tripping all over yourself to show people
               that you're a total fucking loser geek, I guess.  I'm sure it
               fits nicely in that blank space on your bookshelf right
               between the English-Klingon dictionary and the binder that
               holds your lovlingly xeroxed SCA guide on how to make your
                           \_ KA'BAH!  You want 'The Tragedy of Khamlet,
                              Son of the Emperor Qo'nos', by
                              Wil'yam Shax'pir.
               holds your lovingly xeroxed SCA guide on how to make your
               own armor.
      \_ umm, user friendly is like hte definition of not funny
                \_ I tried to read it a few times.  It was a waste.  I've
                   since purged my mind of the unpleasantness.
         \_ it's amazing how many non-UNIX folks still manage to aquire,
            and then use, soda accounts. Or maybe you just feel offended
            that iliad could dare make fun of the Open/Net/FreeBSD
            wars.
            \_ ANY student enrolled in UC Berkeley may apply and receive
               csua membership and an account on the machine at soda.csua
               - paolo
               \_ Paolo, read the CSUA FAQ for once in your life:
    1. How do I get a soda account?
       Soda accounts are ONLY for members of the CSUA. The CSUA is not an
       account provider -- we are an organization for people with an
       members of the ASUC may be active (voting) members, but other
       eligible folks are welcome to participate in CSUA activites and
       make use of our resources. We expect our members to be at least
       somewhat computer literate, and to have an interest in learning
       and experimenting. Because of that, and the fact that our staff
       are all volunteers, we don't serve the users in the same way
       someplaces like the OCF does. This doesn't mean soda is
       especially unreliable or uncared for, it just means we expect
       people to be better able to fend for themselves.
            that iliad could dare make fun of the Open/Net/FreeBSD
            wars.
       interest in computers and computer science. Any U.C. Berkeley
      living everyday thanking Tourvalds.
       student, faculty, or staff is eligible to become a member. Only
        \_ thank you for agreeing with me
                \_ user friendly is about as funny as being stuck in a
                   room with a bunch of soft, puffy, geeks who last
                   showered in '93 and keep parrotting bits from monty
                   python and hitchhicker's guide.  -aspo
                   \_ Dude, these are the sort of people who wrote the OS
                      you run, the networking protocols you indirectly
                      make a living off of.  So they can't all be rectally
                      fixated biker studs like you.  Go hangout with your
                      well-adjusted loser friends and leave the geeks alone.
                      \_ well for one I don't do ecommerce crap.  Networking
                         protocols don't have anything to do with what I do
                         for a living.  And yay.  So a bunch of smelly,
                         need-to-die geeks have written a bunch of computer
                         software.  Some of that software is worth using.
                         %99.99 percent of it is as much crap as the worthless
                         lives of the sad little sexless acne-scarred twits
                         who wrote it. -aspo
                         \_ What the fuck are you doing on soda, you evil
                            little twit?
                      \_ Uh, yeah, tell me more about "Illiad", uber-hacker
                         extraordinaire.  Perhaps Illiad was an early member
                         of the CSRG, responsible for most of 2BSD?  Or maybe
                         Illiad stood at the shoulder of timid young newbie
                         hacker Richard Stallman, making gentle suggestions
                         that would later form a life philosophy?  Or did he
                         write one of those Johhny-come-lately "DUD3, L1NUX
                         1Z WAY K-RAD!!!1!!" 10-dimensional 76-bit-color
                         window managers that you wannbe-UNIX-folk are always
                         so fond of arguing over?  Real men use twm.  And
                         they don't read User Friendly.
                         \_ ED! ED! ED is the STANDARD!
   \_ so geeks, wrote the OS, they have fame and they have $$$.  I'm not
      living everyday thanking Tourvalds, Behlendorf, and Ylonen.
                \_ It's likely I was a "UNIX folk" when you were still in
                   grade school.  I find the comic to be painfully unfunny
                   because it simply lacks any form of humor.  It just isn't
                   funny and not in the Berkeley, "How many lesbians does it
                   take?" way.
                   \_ Ah. I see your problem is just that you're an old
                      curmugeon, who has already heard every joke in existance,
                      back in 1950.
                      Yes, there are stupid ones. But only about 1%.
                \_ http://www.sluggy.com is much more amusing.
                   \_ sluggy is just as bad.
                \_ <DEAD>www.spacemoose.com<DEAD> is much more amusing.
                \_ http://www.chick.com is much more amusing.
                \_ http://www.mycomix.com to choose for yourself.
                \_ http://www.jerkcity.com is better than stoned gay sex.
                \_ http://hotzp.com/badboys/archives/021900.html
                        \_ BBoCS!
                \_ http://www.yomomma.com
                \_ http://http://www.angryflower.com is better than flying fetuses

4/17    What's a troll? - curious in Cali
        \_ Cool.  It never occured to me to start a trollfest over the
           definition of the word 'troll'.  Fellow troll, I salute you!
        \_ if you knew what you were doing, the thing above this is a troll.
           A message simply to get people to respond and argue, etc.
           just for the sake of it.
                \_ a stupid quesiton isn't REALLY a troll.  A troll is
                   somthing that pushes people's buttons that has been posted
                   purely for the joy of watching people makes fools out of
                   themselves by being full of justifed anger.   A troll
                   is NOT someone posting sometihng they legitimatly
                   care about, nor is a troll someone making some stupid
                   in-joke.
                \ Where is a good place to meet  asian chicks is a troll
           \_ flamebait a subcategory, different category, or synonym?
        \_ a troll can also mean a certain type of creature found in
           Dungeons and Dragon games.  I think trolls are also creatures
           guarding bridges, right?  (yes, this isn't probably what the
           original poster was looking for).
        \_ troll is also a fishing term, I believe, where you try to
           get the fish to bite.
           \_ Anytime you're using a pole and hook you're trying to get the fish
              to bite.  Trolling is when the boat is in motion, making the lure
              jump around like a living organism instead of a piece of plastic.
              \_ That should be trawling.
                \_ trolling is when you trawl with bits of computer geek guts
                   as bait
                   \_ no intelligent fish would take a bite on that...
                     \_ intelligent and fish are two words that don't mix
                        \_ what about flipper!? he's a dolphin! dolphin are
                        fishies!
                         \_ mammals.  flipper is a mammal... and a rapist
                            \_ Since when is flipper a rapist?  A racist, sure
                               we all know that but a rapist?

4/16    Troll, and troll response to troll, censored.

3/26    Mail spool troll purged as per prior warning.
        \_ is it really a troll?
           \_ Yeah, he got me.  It was a total troll.
                \_ I can smell a mail spool troll miles away.  -purger
                   \_ Maybe, but that wasn't a subtle troll, poor guy.

3/20    I want to read the mail that gets delivered to csua@csua, but I
        don't want to be on the mailing list.  Is there a solution?
        \_ AFAIK, no.  It shows up in the wall log, but I think mails
           to lwall get clipped to a certain length.  Why not just use
           procmail to store it somewhere other than your inbox until
           you read it, then you can nuke it. -dans
           \_ Yeah, or maybe I can use procmail to save the last month's
              csua@csua e-mails in /csua/tmp so that everyone can read them.
              Or has someone done this already?
                \_ ~danh/csua-mail .  enjoy.

3/16    Clean your pr0n out of /csua/tmp
        \_ Fuck, now where am I gonna keep my Jenna pictures?
           \_ Who's Jenna?
                \_ if you have to ask...
                        \_ Guh-duh!  leik if you have to ask you don't know!
                           Guh-har!  Thats leik s0 clev0r!111 d00de!11
                           \_ Hi paolo!
       \_ whoa...there's porn in the tmp directory...i'm there   =)

3/14  Leave it alone, dans.  Stifling the racist and the stupid is not the
      correct way to deal with them.
      \_ What would you suggest? -curious
           \_ Why should anything be done?
         \_ Censoring them is wrong.  They must be confronted, their views
            aired and addressed and put in their place in a public forum if
            it is a public forum where they spew.  Anything less and you
            lend credibility.  Why censor that which is easily debated and
            shown to be false?  Only the truth gets censored and by doing
            so you falsely make it appear that their hatred has a basis in
            fact.
            \_ I'm not "curious", and I agree with you on this.  If I thought
               it was an actual hate diatribe, then I would have left it to
               be skewered by public discourse.  Thing is, it looked more
               like a troll than anything else.  It was a direct quote from
               The Blues Brothers, I alluded to this in the message I put
               in place of the nuked thread.  Someone else, I think kube,
               noticed it as well, posting a comment about hating Illinois
               nazis, another Blues Brothers allusion. -dans
                \_ Keeping in mind that most of the people here haven't seen
                   the BB's and almost as many have no idea who Belushi is
                   since he died when they were learning to walk....
                        \_ No one who has never seen the Blues Brothers should
                           be allowed to join the CSUA
                           \_ Hmm, we may have to add that to the Constitution.
                              -dans
                        \_ "We got two guys out here who look like they from
                           the FBI or somethin'..."

3/14    March Madness is here!  Join the "CSUA" group on http://espn.com!
        \_ Fuck March Madness.
        \_ college hoops suck big dick, i agree.
        \_ March Madness?!!! Is there a Macy's at Hilltop or should I go to SF?
           \_ There's a Macy's at Hilltop.
        \_ Is it better to be NIT champion, or invited to the NCAA tourney
                and lose in one of the earlier rounds?
           \_ Better in what sense? In terms of respectability and
              prestige, I would say getting into the NCAA tournament, but
              in terms of preparing the team for the future, probably
              winning the NIT.
           \_ Better to make Sweet 16 in NCAA than win NIT. Better to win
              NIT than bow out of NCAA before Sweet 16.
           \_ Actually, depends on the team. Some are lucky just to make it
              to NIT and would call themselves successful just for making it
              that far. But some teams like Vanderbilt feel jilted for missing
              NCAA and feel NIT is "loser's bracket."
           \_ Not to be the spoil sport, but why does anyone care?
              \_ (Trying not to be flippant here), but there are those of us
                 who enjoy watching sports. Does it make a difference in our
                 lives? Most likely not. Are there things better to do?
                 Probably yes. You could make the argument why should anyone
                 care about anything, but that's a pointless path to take.
                 Just accept that some people enjoy the NCAA tourney.
                 \_ 'dont ask, dont tell' -- keep your closet habits in the
                     closet.  We dont want to hear about them.
                     \_ By closet, I assume you mean habits we prefer not
                        to display or are too embarrassed to reveal.
                        Who says that's the case?
                        \_ You're missing the point.  I think the fellow is
                           saying, "Stuff your whiny-ass, self-important
                           opinions up your ass, sit-the-fuck-down, and save
                           your specious justifications for someone that gives
                           a damn."  But that's just a guess on my part.
                           \_ And my point is, who's to judge what's a topic
                              that people around here give a damn? Does it
                              have to be *nix related or geek-related? Does
                              it have to involve trying to get laid? There's
                              no answer. If you don't like a topic, ignore it.
                           \_ Petulant whine deleted.
                                \_ I censor all topics of no direct and
                                   immediate interest to me.
                 \_ Just that the results of other people's sporting activities
                    are about the least important thing I can imagine.  Unless
                    you're monetarily involved in some way they're completely
                    meaningless to the workings of the world.  Is that the
                    point?  The ultimate in vegging out?

3/12    Stupid trolls deleted (again).
        Mail will stay in /var/mail where it belings.
                -your friend
        \_ Guh-duh!  Clean up your mail spools!  Especially all you people who
           never login or read the motd but receive tons of mail here!  Yeah!
           That'll fix it!  And oh yeah!  Put a bigger disk in soda!  Duh!
           Kewl!  I just solve the mail spool problem for leik 2 munths with
           a s00per kewl idea!  Buy more disk!  Wh0a!  I'm smart!

3/10    Is there still a difference between US and int'l encryption on
        browsers?
        Yes.  I'm assuming you know what the difference is, but if you don't,
        I'd be glad to explain it. -dans
          \_  Maybe not.  I thought only US version is 128 bit strong
                encryption but now it seems that int'l version is also like
                that.  Does that have to do with the recent legislation?
                \_ Ah, I forgot.  Recent legislation allows companies to
                   export strong encryption on a case by case basis.  I'm
                   unfortunately not aware of the gory legal details.  What
                   you suggest sounds quite possible though. -dans
        \_ Once again we see dans mouthing off about something he knows nothing
           about....
           \_ You nuked my response to this as well as someone's followup
              comment stating that it wasn't legislation, but executive
              action, and that it hadn't gone into effect yet.  You also
              nuked my response to your asanine comment pointing out that
              1) My original reponse, that the difference still exists is
              correct and 2) I very clearly stated that I am uncertain of
              the gory legal details.  Either add something useful or piss
              off, but don't nuke useful responses. -dans
           \_ You nuked someone's followup comment stating that it wasn't
              legislation, but executive action, and that it hadn't gone
              into effect yet.  You also nuked my response to your asanine
                                                                   \_ English 1A
              comment pointing out that 1) My original reponse, that the
              difference still exists is correct and 2) I very clearly stated
              that I am uncertain of the gory legal details.  Either add
              something useful or piss off, but don't nuke useful responses.
              -dans
              P.S. Sign yer posts you twink.
                \_ I nuked nothing.  Go fuck yourself.  The motd got nuked
                   flat many times today and I restored the copy I had which
                   was better than the zero bytes here.  Did I tell you to
                   \_ Go fuck yourself.  When your done, go stick your head
                      in a pig.  While you're at it, sign yer posts. -dans
                   go fuck yourself, yet?  Oh yes, I did.  -happily not dans
                   \_ Go fuck yourself.  Repeat.  Then go stick your head in
                      a pig.
                              _/o  \/      \@  _________

                               \___/\______/   \ \     \_____ I
                                                Lung   Ass
                Anatomically correct ears       Lung   Ass
                                  |   (after one level of indirection)
                                                 |      |Apple II
                              _/o  \/      \@  __v______v
                             O_             )=(  ____I_ <______
             O2 --> mouth -->  >___/\______/   \ \     \_____ I
                                _n_  ______      |      ||
                                  v              |      |Apple II
                                _/|  ______      |      ||
             O2 --> mouth --> O>___/\______/   \ \     \_____ I
                              _/x  \/      \@  __v______vv
                             O_             )=(  ____I_ <O_____
             O2 --> mouth --> O>___/\______/   \ \     \_____ I<--- also cooked
                              ^   \  II  II     II           II /
                              |    \___________________________/
                           Apple I              ^
                                                |
                                              plate

                      Then sign yer posts you twink. -dans

                      \_ Once again dans reaches new heights of maturity
                         and leadership on the motd.
                         \_ Yes, and the motd has always been such a bastion
                            of maturity in this sober and reserved
                            organization. -dans
                         \_ The pig lacks a mouth. How does it eat?
                            \_ Now that you've added a mouth so the pig can
                               eat, where does the food go after it digests?
                                \_ The *real* question is: how does the user
                                  that movie did. And now that it has a
                                  mouth, what would it say with such an
                                  uncomfortable object up it's ASS??
                               \_ Thanks for answering my queries regarding
                                  the lack of mouth and where the food goes
                                  when it digests. I notice that
                                  the pig is now dead and cooked. So does
                                  that mean the guy with the head in the
                                  pig can eat his way out now?
                                   breathe?
                               \_ I also have another question, i forgot to
                                  ask before: why does the pig have an "n"
                                  for ears? I thought pigs had more pointy
                                  and large ears -- at least the one in
                                  that movie did. I did not realize pigs
                                  could talk until I saw that movie. Since
                                  this pig now has a mouth, what would it
                                  say with such an uncomfortable object up
                                  it's ASS??
                               \_ Also, thanks for answering my queries
                                  regarding the lack of mouth and where
                                  the food goes when it digests. I notice
                                  that the pig is now dead and cooked. So
                                  does that mean the guy with the head in
                                  the pig can eat his way out now?
                            \_ More importantly, where do you stick the apple
                               when you cook it?
                      \_ dans, you are truly the van gogh of our generation.
                         \_ Can I have his spare ear?
                \_ Wow, dans, you sure showed me with that ancient ascii 'art'
                   rip off.  Your lame rip off doesn't make you any less stupid
                   or ignorant.  If you spent more time on issues like the
                   problem with the treasurer or the mail spools rather than
                   posting crap to the motd and proving your manhood by signing
                   your garbage then maybe someone would have some respect for
                   you instead of pissing down your throat on the motd
                   everyday.  You reap what you sow.  By signing you show not
                   that you're a real studboy but that you take the motd too
                   seriously and are just a twit and an incompetent imbecile
                   incapable of performing the most basic duties of the office
                   you voluntarily ran for.  Do your job.  No one gives a shit
                   if you sign your filth.
                   \_ Fuck you, you twink.  Problem with treasurer: he doesn't
                      read his soda mail, and I solve this how?  Force him to
                      read his e-mail with the evil e-mail water cure torture?
                      I don't think so.  Impeach him?  Who's going to replace
                      him?  You?  Are you even eligible for the politburo?
                      Even if you are, you won't even claim responsibility for
                      your posts on the motd, so why the hell should anyone
                      expect you to be any better as treasurer?  In light of
                      the situation, mikeh and I did the best thing possible:
                      we routed around it.  Note our repeated admonitions to
                      send inquiries regarding donations to one of us, not
                      twohey.
                      Problem with the mail spools:
                      Short term answer:
                      a) I don't have root. b) machines have been the VP's
                      domain for a long time.  mikeh and the other root staff
                      do a damn good job of managing things.  I'm not going to
                      step on their toes by madly gzipping offender's
                      mailspools and dropping them in their home directories.
                      If that's the right thing to do in this situation, then
                      the root staff will do it.  It's their decision. a) if
                      there is a different solution (i.e. reducing mail
                      quotas), they'll pursue it, but, regardless, it remains
                      their decision.
                      Long term answer:
                      Get more disk.  Duh.  I'll repeat what I've said before:
                      There's talk of a soda upgrade.  Because we don't know
                      the exact kind of disk (SCSI, duh, but what kind of
                      SCSI?) we'll be using, we're not going to rush out and
                      buy a disk to solve today's mail spool problem if we
                      can't use it in new soda a month from now.  Until either
                      soda gets upgraded or we decide it's not going to
                      happen, buying a disk is out of the question.  If
                      someone has a spare disk they can donate, that might
                      help, but most of the offers we've seen have been
                      to buy or supply funds for the purchase of a disk.
                      As important to the CSUA as soda is, soda != CSUA, and
                      my job is not to baby sit it.  If you want to criticize
                      the job I've done as prez, try actually reading the
                      job description first (it's in the CSUA constitution).
                      I don't sign my posts because I believe in owning my
                      words.  I do it independent of the medium.  I suppose
                      you must have difficulty owning your words, seeing as
                      they're all shit. -dans
                      P.S. No rip-off, it's straight out of the CSUA
                      Encyclopedia.  Frankly I think the subsequent
                      discussion is damned funny.
                        \_ Have some balls.  Impeach him, give someone else the
                           opportunity to do it.  An empty office is better
                           than a do-nothing office.  As far as the CSUA
                           Constitution goes, I wrote parts of it.  I think I
                           know what it says.  Don't use a piece of paper to
                           hide your ineffective cowardess.  Stand up and do
                           the right thing.  "It's not my job!" is the lamest
                           weakest cop-out ever given. Make it your job! Those
                           who came before and will be coming after will
                           appreciate it.  Don't be another worthless resume
                           stuffing figurehead.

3/1     Please clean out /var/mail (your mailbox). Was 100% full but i just
        cleaned out over 1MB.
        \_ Encourage use of a real mail tool like [n]MH to avoid
           keeping your mail in /var/mail.
           \_ or use procmail/slocal to automatically move mail to your
              local directory
                \_ No need for procmail. echo $HOME/Mailbox >.forward
        \_ can't we just delete ALL the alumni who have not attended
           CSUA meeting in the last X number of years or who have not made
           generous donation to CSUA? I bet that'd free up a of space.
           Furthermore, less user = less complaint
           \_ You're not very bright, are you?
           \_ Yeah, it's more important to have some extra mail spool space
              than first shot at jobs and free clue and hardware.  Good plan.
              Dump the evil alumni who steal our mail spool space, most of
              whom are storing their mail in their home directory because
              _they_ have clue.  Please tell me you're a troll.  I'll feel
              better being trolled than if you're real.

2/24    Troll deleted.
        \_ do you know what a troll is?  Are you stupid?

10/3    I promise to keep my virginity as long as I am a soda geek.
                --- promise keeper
        \_ as if you could help it...
        \_ That isn't much of a promise.  More of a guarantee.
        \_ The rest of soda promises to help you achieve this goal.
        \_ I lost mine last night.
           \_ I lost mine to psb and nweaver at BAGG last week
                -- promise breaker
        \_ Lose your virginity by hitting on one of the CSUA sluts
                \_ That only works for women since all the CSUA sluts are
                        lesbians
                   \_ Name one who claims lesbianism but hasn't had a long
                      string of male sex partners or isn't currently screwing
                      some random dude.
                   \_ I can personnaly assure you that this is FAR from true.
                      -Soda Mack Daddy
                        \_ So a guy who sleeps around is a mack, but a
                           girl who sleeps around is a slut?  One standard
                           is plenty.
                           \_ How about we drop the use of the term "slut"
                              and use "sexually empowered woman" instead
                                \_ "Slut" is more accurate.  -The Mack
                   **_  Name some witness please.
                        \_ Uh huh.  More like wannabe college-cool lesbians.
                        A soda chick claiming lesbianism is merely the typical
                        its-so-cool college attitude compounded by the need
                        for a defense against the typical sex starved soda
                        geek she comes into contact with through the csua.
                        \_ This analysis is so right on that I must comment
                           on  it explicitly.  It shows a depth and keeness
                             of intellect rarely  exhibited on the soda motd.
                             Well done -- motdd
                             \_ So you haven't been able to get any either?
                               \_ No, I was just making a comment about that
                               statment above; but your response is funny :)
                               also, I think most of the soda women (girls?)
                               are skanky, or damaged goods, or a combo of
                               both -- motdd (yes, there are exceptions, I
                               know- and I include the men (boys) in this
                               as well)
                                \_ damaged goods, huh?  So are you a virgin?
                                  \_ Damaged doesn't mean "non-virgin".  It
                                  means "psychotic and emotional mess".
                        \_ What about those chicks who crave attention they
                           can't get anywhere else?
                          \_ At Berkeley the competition is so minimal that
                             all a chick has to do to get attention is breathe.
                             Yes, this _does_ say something about men at Cal
                             as well.
        \just shows that some people need to get a clue when it comes to women
                \_ And you made this observation on paid company time?
                   (I'm not getting paid while typing this.)
                   \_ then you are a loser and a slave.  The only excuse
                   for posting to the soda motd is doing it on company time;
                   doing it on your own time is a waste of what little life
                   you have. -- posting this on company time, right after my
                   2 hour lunch.
                        \_ I didn't take a 2 hour lunch today but I showed
                        4 hours late and I'm going home 2 hours early. I'm
                        also getting paid to post this.  How's that?
                        \_ that's pretty good, if you can keep it up :)
                          \_ It's killing me.  I need more hobbies since like
                             a US farmer, I get paid not to work.
                \_ And your problem with this is ?
                \_ The women on soda are smart enough not to get involved
                   in this thread
                \_ hear hear - the voice of reason. best to let the boys
                   be oh so brave and daring by posting their rantings to the
                   soda motd - it's not like any of them would ever have the
                   guts to even make a peep about any issue IRL anyway - just
                                                            \_  I feel stupid
                                                                for asking,
                                                                but I really
                                                                want to know
                                                                what is "IRL"?
                   keep playing and posting in your insulated little world
                   and never actually do anything. suits us just fine.
                   \_ and this surprises you?
                   \_ Rantings?  What rantings?  A few facts:
                        0) PRINT "HELLO, WORLD!"
                        1) No real women in soda hall
                        2) No real lesbians in soda hall
                        3) No real men in soda hall
                        4) No real or simulated sex in soda hall
                        5) I get paid to post to the motd which hell sure
                           beats doing real work
                        6) IRL = In Real Life.
                        7) That you would think anyone takes this seriously
                           and post a real reply says more about you than
                           about those posting so-called rants.
                        8) Did I mention I'm getting paid to do this?  :-)
                        9) GOTO 0
                        \_  This is getting more and more hilarious!

motd nuked.  Killroy was here.  emacs user deleted.
\_ kool
\1'll get ya mudafaka! yo deleted my postz!

                            MOTD NUKED
                                \_ good

2/17    Trolls and meta-trolls deleted.

2/17    Troll deleted again.  And weak attempt to troll the anti-troll was
        also deleted.

2/17    Troll deleted.  Give it a rest.  You're clearly intentionally trying
        to use a hot button issue to troll the motd.  I'll stop deleting it
        when you stop trolling about it.

2/11    Where have all the good troller gone?  I only see lame flamebaits
        and small-time trolls.  We need some big time trollers to stir things
        up a bit.
        \_ uh, I guess this is a troll too?
           \_ it's a meta-troll.
        \_ The motd was over 470 lines, most of it trolling.  What exactly
           qualifies in your book as a "good troll"?  Once agin, the motd
           is not here for your amusement.  If you want it to be amusing,
           you must make it so.  Now go get a cookie.
           \_ the motd IS for my amusement you fool.
                \_ Then clearly it isn't satisfying your needs so you should
                   fuck off and die.  Thank you.

2/3     What is the difference between flamebait and a troll?
        \_ Semantics? Or a troll is a post to gain attention, and flamebait
           is a post intended to provoke vehement reaction. I dunno really.
           \_ flamebait is something stupid. "MS-DOS is the best OS".
              A troll is something inflammatory posted deliberately,
              about a 'big issue'. But usually posted in the guise
              of an "innocent" poster. eg:
                "Why does the army let fags in anyway?"
                \_ No.  A troll is a descriptive term for a person who posts
                   flamebait.  Flamebait is a post intended to provoke a
                   vehement reaction.  Trolls post flamebait.  I know because
                   I'm one and loving it.  --flamebait posting troll
                \_ troll describes both the idiot and the idiotic post.  -tom
                        \_ One man's idiot is another man's amusement.

2/3     Does emacs automagically understand lines like the following or
        do I have to do something special in .emacs? How can I get emacs
        to automagically insert these lines at the start of all my
        c and tcl files?
     /*-*-Mode:C++; c-basic-offset:8; tab-width:8; indent-tabs-mode:t-*-*/
>
2/3
What is the difference between flamebait and a troll?
        \_ Use perl.

2/3
        What is the difference between flamebait and a troll?
        \_ Semantics? Or a troll is a post to gain attention, and flamebait
           is a post intended to provoke vehement reaction. I dunno really.
           \_ flamebait is something stupid. "MS-DOS is the best OS".
              A troll is something inflammatory posted deliberately,
              about a 'big issue'. But usually posted in the guise
              of an "innocent" poster. eg:
                "Why does the army let fags in anyway?"
                \_ No.  A troll is a descriptive term for a person who posts
                   flamebait.  Flamebait is a post intended to provoke a
                   vehement reaction.  Trolls post flamebait.  I know because
                   I'm one and loving it.  --flamebait posting troll
                \_ troll describes both the idiot and the idiotic post.  -tom
                \_ WTF does that mean? Signyerposts Tom. I signedyermom.
                        \_ That means "Use perl."
                                \_ Is perl a new text editor? I typed perl,
                                   but nothing happened.
                                   \_ Inline insertion/replacement with perl.
        \_ ED!  ED!  ED is the STANDARD!  Text Editor.

1/25    Stupid national airports thread deleted as I have been seeing it since
        a year ago and it is already getting boring
        \_ fuck you Heuwey Long.
        \_ fuck you Jean McGrath.

1/20    Filesystem  512-blocks     Used    Avail Capacity  Mounted on
        /dev/da0e      2540480  2332740     4502   100%    /var/mail
        CLEAN UP YOUR MAIL SPOOLS YOU HOZERS!
           \_ no, add more disks to support our huge mail quotas!
        \_ I propose we squish more people and delete their home (e.g. kchang)
                \_ I propose to have a mail quotas smaller than 8mb. If
                   soda does not have enough disk space, why have such huge
                   mail quotas in first place?.
                   As far as I can see none of the users below is above their
                   quota. I don't see a reson why they should be squished
                        -anonymous coward
        5443134  scharpen
        5004733  ying
        4951795  egwall
        4939696  joy
        4862243  ivy
        4841636  blyon
        4825914  yule
        4822396  andrea
        4800332  kane
        4786558  innami
        4737733  clarie
        4704368  hankwong
        4688583  jean
        4646727  blojo
        4603297  mackn
        4499982  lleong
        4459360  anjie
        4413419  duyphun
        4400330  jones
        4321963  ramses
        5443134  scharpen      4737733  clarie
        5004733  ying          4704368  hankwong
        4951795  egwall        4688583  jean
        4939696  joy           4646727  blojo
        4862243  ivy           4603297  mackn
        4841636  blyon         4499982  lleong
        4825914  yule          4459360  anjie
        4822396  andrea        4413419  duyphun
                           hundreds of hours of works.  -tom
           \_ Fascinating.  8.5% of the users consume 50% of the space.  15%
              consume about 70%.  This is fine of course unless the spool runs
              out of space.
        4800332  kane          4400330  jones
        4786558  innami        4321963  ramses
        \_ End the Bolt Action domination of the mail spool!
        \_ How about these folks?  kchang isn't even in the running.  Do you
           people really need 4-5 MB in your mailspool?
                \_ it's really stupid to quibble about 5MB when 18GB disks
                   cost $300.  -tom
                   \_ Fine, so donate $300 to CSUA and shut up.
                        \_ the CSUA gets a budget every year, this is a fine
                           thing to spend money on.  And I have donated quite
                           a bit of money to the CSUA over time, not to mention
                           hundreds of hours of work.  -tom
                           \_ The point is, a free resource always leads to a
                              shortage.  Sure, you've put resources into soda,
                              and look at your spool usage--you're actually
                              being responsible with it.  I'd bet that that
                              majority of hte names there haven't given squat to
                              soda.  (surprised to see blojo up there)
                                \_ an 18GB disk for mail would allow an
                                   average spool size of 7MB (2600 passwd
                                   entries).  Considering that there's not
                                   a single mail spool larger than that now,
                                   we're looking at years and years before
                                   even actively irresponsible usage could
                                   fill it.  -tom
                                   \_ Great.  So why don't we just purchase the
                                      disk and be done with it.  Anyone?
           \_ Fascinating.  8.5% of the population consume 50% of the wealth.
              15% consume about wealth.  This is fine of course unless the spool
              runs out of space.
           \_ Fascinating.  8.5% of the population consume 50% of the space.
              15% consume about 50% of the space.  This is fine of course unless
              the spool runs out of space.
              \_ Space consumption always has a skewed distribution.
        \_ Can't we just have a quota system with slightly smaller mail-spool
           limits? Most people would be fine with it...
        \_ I propose we adjust all mail user agents and delivery agents to
           put the users' mail spools in their home directories, so that we
           dont have this double mail spool/disk usage problem.  -ERic
           \_ Just make a link from /var/mail/foo to ~foo/mbox or such? -- yuen
           \_ they do this where I work, and it leads to more dropped mail
              and related problems because of the relative instability of
              home mounts to the mail server, common home file overfills,
              etc.
              \_ soda's home directories arent remote-mounted.
                \_ I think mail-in-home-dir is a reasonable setup but it
                   doesn't really help the problem of inadequate disk space.
                   In fact it's worse because people filling up their home
                   directories with coding projects will hoze mail.  -tom

1/17    anyone know any good frequencies in berkeley besides
        460.175, 488.250, 460.250, 460.050, and 460.025?  Or what freq. the
        UC police use?  Or task force?  --sky
        \_ Scanning?  How dull.  Please.
           \_ y34h!^(! sK4nNiNg iS f0r Lu$eRz(*!^!  r34l sTuDz h4Ck LyNuCkz.
              --sky
                \_ Scanning is like reading other people's email.  Dull.
                   Hacking linux is something less than 1% of linux users are
                   actually doing.  The bulk are loading RPMs written by
                   others and calling themselves hackers.
                   \_ Listening to police frequencies is dull.  Sitting
                      in prison is even more dull.  QED         --sky
                        \_ Dude you ar leik sutch the s00per kriminal that u
                           have a skannar to av0id da fuZZ yet you don't even
                           fucking know what freqs they use and need to ask on
                           the motd?  U R S0 KEWEL!!!!!@!@!@11
                           \_  I never tripped on police until being arrested
                               a few days ago.  After seeing how sucky it
                               is to be stuck in Santa Rita, I decided to take
                               things a bit more seriously.  And this was the
                               same night I was visiting a friend in Santa
                               Rita who got busted when the house
                               he was at was raided by oakland police, the
                               Alameda DA, and the FBI.  I have the BPD freq's
                               but I need the freq's for task as they are
                               the d00ds that roll up on you when you get
                               raided.  And as there are lots of other paranoid
                               freaks on soda, I thought someone should know.
                               So kindly shut the fuck up before
                               I send over some very large ex cons to your
                               house to rearrange your furnature.  -- not sky
                                \_ D00d yur leik s0 k00l getin bustid bi da
                                   EF Bee EYE!!11 leik u tript on da man!  U
                                   B K00l wit da Br0z!11  In short, you're a
                                   fucking poser and a loser and no one wants
                                   to hear how many cons took your geek ass in
                                   prison.  And oh yeah, did I forget to
                                   mention how impressed I am that a Cal alum
                                   or student managed to get arrested?  BFD.
                                   That takes real brains in a town where you
                                   can smoke a joint in public in the pre-med
                                   marijuana days and no one blinked.  Go
                                   snuggle up with your con lover buddies and
                                   get the fuck off the motd. -- also not sky
                                   \_ Heh.  If you are so sure I am a poser,
                                      why dont you post your name in the motd?
                                      whats wrong?  Afraid if you signed your
                                      name everyone would laugh at
                                      your false male bravado?  I suspect you
                                      are tom, in which case you will be
                                      forgiven because you are cursed with
                                      perpetual PMS, but if you are not, all I
                                      can say is you better back the fuck up
                                      before you get smacked the fuck up,
                                      bitch
                                      - sky

                                        \_ Mostly, I would guess it's because
                                           the guy doesn't want to go to the
                                           trouble of writing a kill-file or
                                           mail filter to screen your
                                           stoopid-ass prepubescent messages
                                           straight into /dev/null.  dumbfuck.
                                        \_ I sign my posts.  But you are a
                                           fucking loser.  -tom
                                        \_ Idiot.  *I* wasn't the one stomping
                                           around claiming to be a homey in
                                           need of a scanner so I don't go back
                                           to being the anal love child of the
                                           bay area prison system.  You're a
                                           loser and a poser and for only the
                                           second time in my life I agree 100%
                                           with Tom.  "I am sky da home boy wit
                                           da poh-leese skannah and I ahm gunna
                                           smack y00 da fuck up da hed!" Child,
                                           grow up.  It's dull and stupid and
                                           there's nothing "kewel" about going
                                           to prison, getting raped in prison
                                           or "smack the fuck up, bitch".  I
                                           only a silly scared child when I
                                           read your drivel.  --not as kewel a
                                           homeboy as sky the mighty wit da
                                           poh-leese skannah
              \_ Oh *please*.  Linux is *so* last week.  *Nobody* who's
                 *anybody* does *that* anymore.
                 \_ yah. we're all running palmOS on crusoe devices.
                        \_ Oh *please*. PalmOS is so *yesterday*.  *Nobody*
                           who's *anybody* does *that* anymore.

1/14    Troll killed.
        \_ Out of curiousity, where did the term "troll" come from?
           And "spam"? I see no relationship between ham and unwanted email.
        \_ Out of curiousity, where did the term "troull" come froum?
           And "spam"? I see no relatiounship between ham and unwanted email.
        \_ try harder.

12/27   Peace in our time. This motd nuked to keep sanity alive.
        \_ Did you post this from the future?

12/21   does /csua/tmp gets cleaned whenever soda reboots?  Or via a cron
        job? How do we get some of these huge (and quite old) files off the
        system?
        \_ It gets cleared when it fills and someone gets bored enough to mail
           all the people who've forgotten they left their crap there.  But,
           since there's plenty of space there now, why do you care?
           \_ Some people just are curious. And just because there's plenty
              of space now doesn't mean there always will be.
                \_ an issue that will be delt with when it is the case
           \_ Sloppy sysadmining due to "lots of space" is no excuse.  A cron
              job that wipes files older than X days is trivial.  I care
              because this raises questions about how soda is admin'd in other
              ways.  I don't keep anything important here but soda itself is.
              \_ you are a moron. --aaron
                \_ actually a cron job that wipes files older than X days
                   that isn't a massive security hole is far from trivial -tom
                   \_ are you talking about linking files like /etc/passwd
                      into some link in /tmp?
                    \_ chown nobody:nobody /csua/tmp and run cron job as nobody.
                        \_ there are subdirectories.  chowning them all is
                           not really an option (and has its own security
                           problems).  -tom
                \_ Uh huh.  Because I'm not sloppy?  No one would sign something
                   that stupid.  You can't be aaron.
                   \_ This just proves it even more --pld
                \_ You're missing the point of /csua/tmp - stuff is supposed
                   to stay there longer than a couple of days, as long as
                   everyone plays nicely.
               \_  Having a cron job to wipe files older than X days is just
                   going to make the /csua/tmp diskhosers set up cron jobs to
                   touch their files every X-1 days.  It's a stupid idea. -ERic
                   \_ tom can easily figure out how to do it perfectly.
                     \_ tom already pointed out that it is difficult to do
                        properly.  get a clue.

12/5    When are soda accounts turned off?
        \_ The day after finals.
          \_ Why the _FUCK_ are you asking this on the Soda motd?  Cripes,
             get a cl00.  --sowings
        \_ Have you tried reading the login messages on your class account
                or <DEAD>www-inst.eecs<DEAD> ?
        \_ never if you mean "csua.soda" ones, but i think you mean "class"
           accts.  see above.
                \_ Correction: your soda account can be shut down for
                   various reasons, all of which are in the various
                   policy docs under /csua/share and /csua/adm -- but
                   soda accounts do not have any built-in time limits.
                   -brg
                   \_ You mean my account isn't automatically shutoff when I
                      get enough Twink Points from the Twink God????
                      \_ No, but Your English sure soundsdumb.  Maybe you
                         should English Classes and learn how to writeit???
                         \_ You're hypocrticalness iz shownig everyne that
                            Your just stupid and my english wuz better then
                            You'rez so you just shutup.  In fact, my English
                            was perfect.  Please check with your 3rd grade
                            teacher before posting on the motd about someone
                            else's spelling, grammar, or syntax.  Thanks.
                            Play again, Yes/no?  Insert coin to continue....

 11/31   Right. So basically I went to the ASUC meeting.  I'm suppoesd to
        inform any active csua members that if they are suspicsious of
        any cult activity of this student group, then there is a Cult
        Awerness Officer which the CAL/SAS has that will investigate any
        Cult Activity.  There.  I've told you. - paolo
        \_ Dude, my cousin's wedding was in a Clam building.
        \_ does anyone else see the irony of Sodans talking about cults?
                \_ No.  Please explain.
           \_ I am a Sodan of the Third Wheel.  Are you in need of a Squishing?
        \_ What is the definition of a cult?  Aren't pretty much all
           religions cults?  For example, what would you call a group
           of people who get together and pretend to drink their ex-leaders
           blood and eat his body?  The same group also think that their
           current leader talks directly to their God.  Would you call
           this group a Cult or would you call them Catholics?  Are the
           ASUC going to investigate all the religious groups on campus?
           \_ I would call them orthodox catholic and therefore not a cult.
           \_ If it's big then it must be true.  If it's small it must be a
              Satan spawned cult until it grows big at which point it must be
              true.
        \_ There's one on the corner of Dana and Haste.  They call themselves
           a religious co-op.  Co-op my ass.  I got invited to dinner by
           them.  They were preaching to me to join their fucked up little
           world.  Damn fools need a beating.  They keep following me around
           on campus.
           \_ Why would you go to a free dinner at a bible meeting?  What the
              fuck did you think was going to happen?  Free sex and drugs?  I
              have zero sympathy for your dumb ass.
              \_ who said i accepted the dinner you dumbshit?
                \_ maybe you should with that curse'd tongue of yours-Ma Teresa
           \_ i used to have a couple freinds there.  if you ignore their
              crazy religious crap, it is actually a very functional co-op.
              after living in the USCA, i would have to say that except
              for the religion, the usca could learn alot from them about
              how to run good student housing at reasonable prices and
              have everyone actually do their share.  this pattern can
              be seen throughout history: the only people who can make
              crazy experiments in communal living actually work are religious
              nuts.  eg amana, oneida, the shakers etc.
        \_ also no hazing.  I don't know if a requirement of a knowledge
           of unix can be classified as hazing (I mean they had some pretty
           broad definitions in the packet (yes there's a 15 pg packet)
           all of which are completely subjective (with words like
           "personal" "degredation" "humiliation").  I suppose then it's
           good that most people turn off the motd  and don't wall because
           i think that may be classified as hazing.  So people, don't haze!
        \_ I want to be the first to go on record that I tihnk the csua has
           definate cult activity.  Hell, I'll even go so far as to call it
           Cult Activity.  IS the Cult Awareness Officer required to justify
           his or her capital letters and investigate now? -aspo
           \_ Arrgghh. Look, I'm _required_ to report to the CAO if
              any current member suspects cult activity.  I don't want to
              do that.
              \_ all those capitals!  Think of it!  What exactly happens if
                 they investigate? -aspo
                 \_ They execute obnoxious assholes like you I think.  It was
                    somewhere in the back of the 15 pages.
                    \_ even better -aspo
                    \_ alas no, remember this is berkeley, home of the PC
        and the "convenience free" zone.  So if anything, they'll just make
        life hard for the csua, alums and undergrads alike, something i don't
        think anyone here wants. - paolo
        \_ Nov 31?  Nov 30?  Are we getting ahead of ourselves? (its Nov 29)
           \_ When they say, "The plane is on fire, the engine is dead, we're
              all going to die!" Do you say, "What color is my luggage?"
              - alum
                \_ Yes.  I like to know that I'm going out in style.
           \_ Not to mention there is no Nov 31.
        \_ CalLUG is definitely a cult.  I insist you report them immediately
           Paolo.  Maybe that will keep your moronic ass out of our hair.

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11/16   Trevor Buckingham strikes again!  ucb.class.cs61c titled "WHAT?".
        How do we kick him out of the major?  He's got to have violated
        some university policies with those postings.
        \_ Better to let him stay in the major. He'll be a minor PITA to
           the professors as he moves through the system, but he'd be a
           better example on the inside than litigant if thrown out.
        \_ I read his post which is filled with explitives and insults.
           Clearly this kind of post is unprofessional and unproductive.
           However, some of his arguments make sense.  Also, when I was
           taking the the 61 series I thought the tests were poorly written.
           I find it easy to believe that someone who knows computer science
           very well could fail to do well on a 61[abc] test. -alum
        \_ I didn't read his post but anyone babbling expletives on a public
           university newsgroup reserved for class use should be shot and
           forgotten.  They're doing more harm than good by making others with
           similar complaint get dismissed out of hand and rightly so.  The
           world isn't fair.  Berkeley isn't fair.  Shit isn't fair.  Tough
           shit.  Deal with it.  That's the lesson Berkeley teaches you.  It
           isn't about classes and midterms.  -other alum
           \_ Maybe you learned to be passive and weak at Berkeley, but that
              doesn't make it Berkeley's "lesson".
              \_ YA VOL!  SIEG HEIL!  HEIL!  SIEG HEIL!  Yes my brother
                 we can begin Das Final Solution!  Kill the weak and
                 the jews!
                \_ No, I learned to pick my battles and how to fight them.
                   Going off like a babbling moron on a class newsgroup isn't
                   being strong and non-passive.  It's just plain stupid.
                   There's no other word for it except synonyms for "stupid".
                   Call yourself the mighty slayer of bad tests and a force
                   for change all you like but ranting like a whiney moron
                   child will not change anything and might make it worse.
                   The Berkeley lesson, in part, is how to deal with life.
                   Dealing with life successfully *never* includes childish
                   ranting.  Maybe on your planet or in your mind but not on
                   the planet most of us hail from.  Nice ad hominen sans
                   backing, btw.  What would *you* say the lesson is?  That
                   one should make a complete jackass of one's self anytime
                   things don't go entirely one's way?  Anyway, 61abc aren't
                   about "knows computer science very well".  Until you've
                   gotten into some of the higher level Ugrad and Grad courses,
                   you're not doing computer science; you're just hitting
                   buttons and trying not to get weeded out.
                \_ For many majors at Berkeley, you're not here to learn.
                   You're just another cow with a number.  More often than
                   not, it's just a survival contest.  I can fairly say
                   this after grad. school when you tend to really find out
                   the kind of jerks your profesors are.  They could
                   care less about your difficulties in class.  - bitter alum
                        \_ Bingo.  I was staff, not a grad student and all the
                           profs made it pretty clear the undergrads meant
                           nothing and the grad students were just slave labor.
                           Staff was just a tool.  At least I had a nice stable
                           low paying job until I woke up.  Anyone who thinks
                           Berkeley is about "learning" anything except basic
                           survival is a complete fool.  Maybe it's different
                           in some tiny worthless major without any students,
                           but there's a reason they don't have any.
                           \_ I'm curious:  how did the profs make it clear?
                \_ After 3 semesters here, I fail to see what all this
                   flaming is based on. Yes, profs are busy; often too
                   busy to spend countless hours on students -- but where
                   on earth did you get the idea that you're entitled to this?
                   University education never was, and never will be, one on
                   one tutoring. I, for one, can testify to the fact that
                   I'm learning, and learning at the highest rate that _my_
                   physical limitations allow. That, to me, is a necessary
                   AND sufficient litmus test for what I would call an
                   education. Now PLEASE explain to me (without references
                   to gay sex) why someone would complain. The generic "profs
                   don't give a shit" doesn't cut it, unless you can explain
                   to me why that has hurt your education. -zyqqh

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                            MOTD NUKED
                          HAVE A NICE DAY

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10/23   Opportunities in SoCal for computer saavy people with Library
        interest/experience (the kind with books in it, not the kind you
        link into a program): see /csua/pub/jobs/RiversideLibrary  --dbushong
        \_ Uh, MS in Library Science? You gotta be kidding...
                \_ No.  MS in LS in hardcore.  I'm *sure* _you_ couldn't earn
                   one.  LS isn't about the Dewey Decimal system BS you learned
                   in 1st grade.
                        \_ No one is putting down MS in LS - but I doubt you'll
                           find anyone on soda other than cynthia  who has one
                           and I doubt she wants to move to riverside after
                           just buying a house up here.
                \_ College of Engineering is superior over ANY college in
                   Berkeley. ENGINEERING REWLS, YOU ALL SUCK!!!
                        \_ And knowledge of English is obviously not required
                                to get into Engineering.
                           \_ knowledge of english is overrated --pld
                           \_ Fuck English, speak PERL!
                                \_ Me fresh off boat make big engineer bucks,
                                   go back China make China strong, beat evil
                                   America into dirt!
                        \_ If "Engineering is superior over ANY college in
                           Berkeley" then is it "superior over" (love that
                           grammar) itself or has it seceded from the
                           University and moved out of Berkeley?  You make
                           no sense.

10/21   Hypothetical question:

        If you replaced /etc/motd.public with a core file can you
        get sorried?

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                            | I I \\
                           / // i\ \\
                      (   [ (( I@) )))  )
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                             || * |
                             | *  *\
                            /* /I\ *~~\
                          /~-/*  / \ \ ~~M~\
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                \_ Nuclear launch detected.
                \_ Is there a way to replace segmentation fault message with
                   this ascii pic?
                   \_ yes.
        \_ Ask yourself: is a core file a useful and informative message of
           the day?  Does it add value to anyone's soda experience?  Or is it
           just a desperate act of a squishable little prick?  This isn't a
           hypothetical question.  It's a rhetorical question.
           \_ By that definition, everyone should've been squished by now.
              Of course, some things are more squishable than others.
                \_ There's a huge difference between someone adding content
                   you think has zero quality and someone linking a binary
                   which has zero quality for everyone including the poster.
                   Only someone far too stupid to edit the motd would believe
                   a binary has content value to anyone.  It's rhetorical.

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                            /* /I\ *~~\
                 ~\_\= =  =-*###%#x==-#  *=- =/
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                \_ Nuclear launch detected.
                \_ Is there a way to replace segmentation fault message with
                   this ascii pic?
                   \_ yes.
                   \_ signal(SIGSEGV, printnuke());

9/30    Accidentally typed pin instead of pine.  What exactly does it do?
        no man pages available.
        \_ It's a stupid csua annoyance for anyone who typos any of several
           common commands that start with 'pin' such as ping and pine.  It
           might also possibly mark you as a pinhead to the low grade morons
           who write such crap and stick it in default path location.  Maybe
           they find it funny.  Maybe they find yermom jokes funny, too. Maybe
           they think it gives the csua character or something.  I dunno.
        \_ Check out http://www.dinkumware.com
           \_ Dikumware releases only the STL, no hash_table.
           I know they provide an STL implementation, so they may provide
        /csua/bin/pin
           believe they're free source though. -dans
           \_ Dikumware releases only the STL, no hash_table.
        soda ~ > which pin
                \_ Thats Viviana, dumbass. Go see Admiral Krag.
        soda ~ > ll /csua/bin/pin
                   \_ no, it's Vyvvian you bastard, Go see Neil Edmondson
                      in "The Young Ones"
        -rwxr-xr-x  1 danh  contrib  102 Sep 16 20:09 /csua/bin/wal*
        lrwxrwxrwx  1 danh  contrib  3 Sep 14 16:29 /csua/bin/pin@ -> wal
                        \_ "Why do I always have to cook the lentils?"
        \_ It marks you forever as a pinhead.

now     Script munged motd blasted.  Thank you for playing.
        soda ~ > file /csua/bin/wal
        /csua/bin/wal: ASCII text
        soda ~ > ll /csua/bin/wal
        \_ Should add: Turkey earthquake: 7.6, killed 15,000 people.
        /csua/bin/wall y 2>&1 > /dev/null
        /csua/bin/wal: ASCII text
        \_
        soda ~ > cat /csua/bin/wal
        soda ~ > which pin
        /usr/games/fortune /csua/lib/olestra/ll-lyrics.txt | /csua/bin/wall
        \_ which is a long way of saying 'you are forever identified as a
           pinhead'
           \_ what is /csua/bin/rootshell?  It seems to be a perl script
              SIUD root.
        \_ in case no one spelled out it for you, read the fucking source.
           \_ Source?  It's a stupid 2 line script.  I wouldn't call that
              'source'.  It isn't even smart enough to check your current
              wall status and set it back if you're not normally reading
              the wall.  It's a stupid hyuck hyuck moron script.
        soda ~ > file /csua/bin/wal
        /csua/bin/wal: ASCII text
        /csua/bin/pin
        lrwxrwxrwx  1 danh  contrib  3 Sep 14 16:29 /csua/bin/pin@ -> wal
        soda ~ > ll /csua/bin/pin
        soda ~ > ll /csua/bin/wal
        -rwxr-xr-x  1 danh  contrib  102 Sep 16 20:09 /csua/bin/wal*
        soda ~ > cat /csua/bin/wal
        /usr/games/fortune /csua/lib/olestra/ll-lyrics.txt | /csua/bin/wall
        /csua/bin/wall y 2>&1 > /dev/null

9/27    When's the next pburo meeting?  The web's info is two weeks stale!
        \_ shut the fuck UP, cmlee.  -tom
            \_ shut the fuck UP, tom.  -!cmlee
            \_ I see nothing wrong with people wanting to get involved and
               asking when the next meeting is.  Tom has forgotten this isn't
               his personal playpen and some of us want to be a part of
               something bigger than tom's wall rants and motd noise.
                \_ SHUT THE FUCK UP, CMLEE
                   \_ Uh, *not* cmlee.  Cmlee isn't the only person Tom has
                      problems with.  In fact, Tom has deep seated and very
                      generalized socialization problems which are far worse
                      than his idiotic spat with cmlee.  Tom, seek help.  I
                      suggest something simple at first such as, "How to win
                      friends and influence people".  You won't win any friends
                      with it, but maybe you'll see why you're so unlikable.
                \_ you mean "how to win friends who are complete fucking
                   morons like this asshole who's too much of a fucking wimp
                   to sign his name to his insults, and influence idiots who
                   make psychological diagnoses about people they've never
                   met."  -tom
                      \_ I'd go with "How to talk dirty and influence people"
                         I'm sure it is a much better read. -aspo
                         \_ I'm sure you would.
        \_ wall != csua != politburo.  Those interested in the piddly
           dealings of politburo can go away.
           \_ Uhm... ok whatever.  So the csua motd isn't a good place to ask
              about the timing of the csua politburo meeting?  Where can I get
              some of whatever you're smoking?

9/24    CSUA meeting @ Gold Club in SF.  Bring small bills.
        \_ but yermom wanted something bigger than a five.
         \_ small meaning 20's.

1/1     Motd nuked!
        \_ good job

9/14    What the fuck is wrong with you idiots?  Really, what's up?
        Where you dropped as children?  I really wanna know.
        \_ Berkeley Rose Garden, GGP.  But I only started dropping recently.
        \_ the line for yermom is getting really long and we're all cranky
        \_ there are three or four little boys on soda, being protected
            by anonymity, feel free to act out

9/8     lwall censorship: oh dear god, grow up, who cares?  this is so
        incredibly stupid.  this is one of the better politburo's the csua
        has seen and you want them to resign over some stupid crap about
        your moron buddy getting his hand slapped for being an ass?  go away.
                -never been on politburo because doesn't want to deal with
                 selfish morons like you
        \_ This is strictly a censorship issue.  Is it in the best interest
           of the CSUA to censor an individual based strictly on that
           person's opinions?  Without notify any interested parties?
           If you have an opinion on this issue, I urge you to show up
           at the politburo meeting this Monday.  -- nickkral
           person's opinions?  Without notify any interested parties that
           such an action was going to take place?  If you have an opinion
           on this issue, I urge you to show up at the politburo meeting
           this Monday.  -- nickkral
           \_ well, it's more like he's already squished
              -- nickkral
        \_ Let democracy work its course.  If someone can drum up enough
           support to override politburo (yeah right, as if kchang has
           that many friends left), let them.  Otherwise shut the heck up.
           \_ The politburo should ensure that public CSUA resources are
              made available without fear of censorship or root punishment.
              Arbritrary censorship actions by the politburo damage
              \_ well, it's more like he's already squished
              the CSUA in the long term.  -- nickkral
        \_ kchang must be laughing at the ruckus he's causing.
           \_ kchang wrote me and said he is happy at the ruckus
              he is causing

9/8     Next Politburo Meeting is Monday, Sept 13th, 7:00 pm, 337 Soda.
        You are invited to discuss lwall censorship.  Is censoring
        lwall an appropriate action for the politburo?  You decide.
        -- nickkral
        \_ is calling nickkral an idiot an approriate action?  shit yeah. -tom
        \_ So we can buy beers for the politburo that squished kchang
           off lwall? I'm so there!
        \_ Yes.  Now fuck off.  I've decided.  Thanks for the opportunity.
            \_ quit being a dick Tom.  And sign your motd entry.
                \_ why don't you, nickkral?  -tom
                \_ I'm not Tom and the lwall non-issue is stupid.  Go fuck
                   yourself.  -not tom
                   \_ oh yes you are..you major fucking twink.
                        \_ Not only am I not tom, I actively dislike tom b/c
                           he's an overly self important asshole, like you.
                \_ tom always signs.  #1 Tom Fan!!!
        \_ What's "troller"?  Thanks.
           \_ You're a troller.

9/5     Welcome to http://soda.csua.berkeley.edu.  Property of the ASUC.
         The CSUA reserves the right to act like total jackasses.
         \_ Quick logical inference for ya:
            Only people with soda accounts can post to soda's motd.
            All people with soda accounts are CSUA members.
            Therefore, YOU are a CSUA member.
            This is where it gets a little uncertain, are you calling yourself
            a jackass, or simply reserving your right to be one?  Tell ya what,
            let's drop the issue entirely, I'll just call ya a twink.
         \_ Dude, everyone in Berkeley is a total jackass.  What's your
            point?
        \_ fuck off nickkral and sign yer name. ---lwall
          \_ I didn't write any of this.  -- nickkral
        \_ and so?  This machine is not property of the ASUC.  get
           your facts straight kralebitch.
                \_ Who do you think owns it?  Who do you think issued the
                   donation receipts for all the alums who donated?
                   \_ well, not that I myself would know anything, but
                      ASUC officials have confirmed several times in
                      the past that as far as they are concerned,
                      soda.csua and it's brethren are for the CSUA
                      to do with as the CSUA pleases as long as we
                      abide by the usual campus regulations about
                      our constitution and using it for commercial
                      (as opposed to fund raising) activity and the
                      like.  Who do you think owns the OCF machines or the
                      CalLUG machines?  It's a CSUA machine through
                      and through. --Jon Oh and sign your name twink.
                        \_ Legally the ASUC owns the OCF machines, which
                           is why we engrave them "Property of the ASUC."
                           No, the ASUC isn't going to take them away,
                           but they could if they wanted to.
                                -alan-
                        \_ The csua cant own anything.  They don't exist
                                as a legal entitry.
                Wrong again twink-boy!  The CSUA as a legal entity _/
                (with a bank account, etc.) predates ASUC!
                \_ Who cares?  Why do any of you give a shit?  -apathetic
                \_ The CSUA incorporated?  Just because some twink opened
                   an account with their SSN and the CSUA's name, does not
                   make the CSUA a legal entity.
        \_ CSUA UBER ALLES!  HKN IST CSUA!  ASUC IST CSUA!  CS DEPT IST
           CSUA!! UCSEE IST CSUA!  LIEBENSCRAUM! HEUTE DIE WELT, MONNEN
           DAS SONNENSYSTEM!  SIEG HEIL!  HEIL CSUA!  HEIL MIKEH!
           - nickkral
           \_ It's "liebensraum", du Quatschkoph. --Jon

8/30    Is there any possibility that politburo will reconsider their policy
        concerning ftp?  Too, we are unable to understand why POP3 access is ok
                        \_ shut up, ikiru
        whereas those of us who have a tough time comprehending s/key ftp
        have to suffer.  Plain text passwds are sent willy nilly via pop are they
        not?
        \_ Before you can begin to expect consistent policy from CSUA
           leadership, you need to exhibit consistent policy with your
           margins in the motd
        \_ The real answer is that since this is all done on a voluntary basis,
           they don't have time to lock down everything at once.  Your gripe
           that you're being unfairly treated while pop folks are somehow
           allowed to continue violating basic security concepts is ill
           conceived.  Expect that in time *all* of the incredibly lame
           services including pop will be either secured or disabled in time.
           services including pop will be either secured or disabled.
           If the csua was run by full time staff getting paid to do so, I'm
           sure this would have happened a long time ago.  kudos to root and
           any of root's elves who helped for putting in the time required and
           biting the bullet from the whiners with zero security clue.
           \_ Mikeh and the rest of root staff rock!
           off POP3 for the foreseeable future (> 1 year).  Turning off POP3
        \_ POP3 is cleartext; there will be no solution other than turning
           off POP3 for the foreseeable future (> 1 year).
        \_ APOP is trivial to implement, and not cleartext.  -tom
           \_ does APOP work with everyone's favorite GUI mail reader, or
              will they be bombarding root@csua with "My Outlook 95 doesn't
              work anymore?  Is e-mail b0rken?"  My assumption was that
              widespread conformance to encrypted POP won't happen in < 1
              year.  In regards to threads below, I eventually foresee
              turning off POP3, turning on APOP, and sending a mass e-mail to
              all CSUA members informing them of this and pine|elm|etc. and
              .forward.
          Turning off POP3
                 \_ no, ED IS!
                    ED! ED! ED IS THE STANDARD! answer
           would piss enough people off of anything I can imagine.  POP3
           cleartext is THE way to sniff pw's.  S/Key and ssh are a)
           steps in the right direction, and b) get the userbase accustomed
           to security annoyances.  The reasoning is suspect, but for me
           it's not something to put up a fight about since I believe I
           understand the pros and cons.  I look forward to non-availability
           of POP3 script-kiddie port sniffers. -non-Politburo sodan
           \_ Tough shit for the whining pop3 masses.  Let them forward their
              mail or read it locally.  I don't want to see soda broken into
              because some pop twits are too lazy to do the right thing.
              \_ then get off YOUR lazy ass and find an alternative.  Oh,
                 and PINE is not the answer.
                 \_ *I* don't have a security problem reading my mail.  If
                    you're one of those whining security clueless pop users,
                    the problem is yours, not mine.  *You* need to find an
                    answer, not me.  Go look at APOP if you simply *must*
                    use soda as your mail server.  I'm not lazy at all.  I
                    already solved this problem for myself years ago, thanks.
                    \_ Then when i crack your account by sniffing your passwd
                       and then bring down the internet with my elite hacking
                       and the blame all falls on you, ! H0P3 U $+!lL (@N Sl33P
                       @ |\|!6H+...
                       \_ D00d, th@t p05t3r uz3z 55H!  U l00z3!
                    \_ ED ED IS THE STANDARD!
                 \_ install unix it will cure cancer and bring you the
                    magical mystical gold at the end of the rainbow
                        \_ No, idiot.  You can't sniff my password.  My pw
                           never goes out in clear text.  You won't be cracking
                           my pw anytime soon.  It's *your* password I don't
                           want cracked.

8/28    Every once in a while, emails in my pine that come from @csua people
        have "holes" in them.  That is, in the inbox listing, there are blanks
        where there would normally be the from, subject, size, etc. info.
        But the actual email content is still there.  Help!  What's going on?
        \_ The problem is you're using the wrong mail client.
        \_ ED! ED! ED IS THE STANDARD!   MAIL READER!
        \_ /bin/cat $MAIL
        \_ ~tmonroe/bin/one-true-mail-reader
        \_ ~tmonroe/bin/<*CENSORED*>
                        \_ Get a life.
                           that's ~tmonroe/bin/one-true-mail-reader
                           that's ~tmonroe/bin/<*CENSORED*>
                           PO Box 9452
                           Golden, CO 57643
                           \_ NO! - defender of newbies
           [dangerous bullshit deleted. it was cruel and stupid to post it in
            the first place.  yes, I plan to keep deleting this until this
            entire thread is removed by others.]
            \_newbies, don't try this. whoever wrote that line is malicious and
              should be ashamed of him/her/itself.
              \_ anyone who tries a command line posted to the motd without
                 finding out what it does first deserves whatever they get.
                \_ no.  this is what being a newbie is all about.  by their
                   nature as newbie's, they don't know any better.  this is
                   a perfectly appropriate warning. you need to dump the 'tude.
                \_ the person who put the evil command in the motd is laughing
                   at you now
        \_ I wonder if this is related to the thing where email
           with the return address of http://csua.berkeley.edu is changed
           to http://CSUA.Berkeley.EDU somewhere after the message is sent?
                \_ uh, no.

8/23    Troll about deleting trolls deleted.  Thank you for playing.

8/23    Why are we asking technical and personal questions on motd?
        Do they relate to CSUA? No. We should implement a law delete
        all trolls not related to CSUA.

8/21    sodomize kchang.
        \_ been there, done that.

You delete my troll, I delete all trolls.

Damn, that was a good motd goin' on there.
\_ This is eeriely reminiscent of kchang behaviour coupla years ago.

5/19    dwallach is now an assistant professor at rice?  kewl.  How about
        a list of former-CSUA members and what they're doing now.  [if you're
        a l0ser ex-CSUA member please do not troll this list].
        \_ the thing about former-CSUA members that you're missing is that
           they are not CSUA members anymore, which means they dont post
           to the motd. duh.
        \_ glass        microserf
        \_ psb          still here, still not graduated
           \_ yeah, but psb is hardly former-CSUA.  The guy is still around.
              And !psb is alive and well at elections.
        \_ philb        sysadmin at a fortune 500 company
        \_ yermom       anything with a pulse
        \_ whatever happened to adam?
                \_ Which adam? glass? richter? diran?
                    \_ adam richter.  login:adam
                        \_ Still sleeping with Pete Shipley.
                        \_ Is yggdrasil officially dead?

5/11    BERKELEY (Reuters) - Some idiot keeps flame baiting in the MOTD.
        \_ No way?  Political, religious, ethnic, sexist, and generally
           offensive flame bait on the motd!  Say it isn't so!
        \_ I didn't know Reuters practice censorship.
                \_ shut the fuck up, cmlee

5/4     Soda Censorship

3/17    Or, as babelfish translates the motd.official:
        The soda is not for warezhosen or mailspammen. Is easy
        pissenoffen the rooten and overloaden barrier all with those fuck
        youen and those yer momen. Is not for trades with the
        majorfuckentwinken.  Diskhoggen pornseeren keepen that bandwit
        trousers hands in pockets must. Relaxen and watchen that barrier
        Flemings.  --dbushong
        \_ geek
           \_ No, geek is Eugene Kim

3/11    Asshole anti-anti-censor's ""troll deleted" troll deleted" deleted.
        \_ When they were talking about "nurturing your inner child" they
           didn't mean all the time.  Grow up.

3/4     generic "troll deleted, -tom"
        \_ This should just be part of the motd update script.  It should just
           insert a few "Troll delete.  -tom" messages at random to make him
           feel big.

3/5     All the moronic "Troll delete" nonsense purged.  If you feel the
        need to delete something, just fucking do it.  Don't wave your penis
        around and take your ball home after screaming, "I delete the troll!
        Nyah!"  No one knows wtf you deleted so you're just making the motd
        as hard to read as the so-called trolls.
        \_ The troll knows.

5/14     Generic Troll   -John
        \_ generic beer
        \_ Generic yermom response
           \_ generic response whining in insulting terms about trolls!
        \_ generic inclusion of references to generic soda "babe"
           \_ generic rejoinder that those looking for babes on soda
              (of either sex) are looking in the wrong place.
             \_ generic personal testimony about random soda user's
                qualifications to be listed as a "babe"
        \_ Generic "You dont do things the way I do hence you are an idiot
           and please dont post until you see that I am superior" post.
                                                -generic lack of signing
           \_ generic off-topic flame having to do with the previous poster's
              ability to configure some kind of software or understanding of
              the computer industry
              -signed in a way that has no relation to my login or real name
              \_ Generic "Fucking geek! *Real* people don't have to talk
                 about computers all the time in an effort to show their
                 superiority!  When are you going to get a life, loser?"
                 response from some loser English-major type who's trying to
                 imply (even though he somehow got a soda account and is
                 posting to the MOTD) that he's morally superior, has a life,
                 and is non-geekly
                 \_ insulting comments about relative salaries of tech and
                    non-tech fields...overuse of "fuck" and "twink".
        \_ Generic comment on indifference to this thread
                - generic tom
        \- Generic intellectual comment by partha.  -generic psb
             \_ Generic flame about partha and his responses.
                   \_ Generic psb is god response. Do not taunt the psb.
                        psb is da man.   -generic psb #1 fan
         \_ non generic comment about bleeding assholes
                - aspo
        \_ Generic flame about how *nix is better than windows and you're
           an idiot for using M$ products.  My dick is bigger than your
           dick kind of flame.
           \_ generic reply how this is the real world and you should get
              a clue.
                \_ Bill Gates and M$ is compared to Hitler and the Nazis.
                        \_ All argument is over once Hitler is mentioned.
                          \_ not the argument, just any useful content.
                        \_ as opposed to the rest of this thread
        \_ G3N3R1K B1FF1ZM, D00D!!!!!1!!!!1!  B1FF RUL3Z, 1N A G3N3RUL
           S0RT UV WAY!!!1!!
        \_ Generic comments about money, working out, and breasts.  -ax

1/19    Censorship reversed.  Get a [censored] life.

1/18    Trolls deleted.

1/13    tpipe installed in /csua/bin for your fun and enjoyment --jon
        \_ what is that?
           \_ read the fucking manpage
              \_ % man tpipe
                 % No manual entry for tpipe
                  You elitist fuck!
                  \_ it's there.  yer manpath has problems.
                     \_ hint: /xx/yy/bin  -> /xx/yy/man
        \_ what's the difference between /csua/bin and /usr/local/bin?

12/17   Shut the fuck up, cmlee.
        \_ this is grown tedius. Both of you toms shut the heck up.
                \_ Children's games are always tedius
        CUZ OF YOU.  I CAN"T TAKE IT ANYMORE!!!1!!!  YOU HAPPY NOW???  - CM1LE
                \_ Children's games are always tedius.  So are their temper
                   tantums, personal motd flame wars of no interest to anyone,
                   and their heavy handed censorship of anything not of direct
                   personal interest.  -jake
                        \_ jake, please get tom off my back.  btw, he is
                           a ucb sysadmin.  -- cm1ee, very distressed.
        \_ ALIRHGT TOM, YOU WIN< YOU MOTHERFUCKER>  I AM QUITTING CSUA
        CUZ OF YOU.  I CAN"T TAKE IT ANYMORE!!!1!!!  YOU HAPPY NOW???  - CM1EE
        \_ hey I never knew cmlee was B1FF!!!1!!

12/16   Tom, maybe you should consider just biting the bullet and cease
        deleting what you consider trolls so this whole issue can just die?
        Maybe you've noticed that the bulk of noise on the motd is related
        to your troll deletion; far more noise than the trolls themselves.
        I think this is a case of the cure being worse than the illness.

11/18   troll deleted

10/25   Can someone explain why after trying to exterminate these no good
        American Indians that took **our** land, we are now giving
        them a chance to get rich w/ the stupid Indian Casinos? Why do
        we give a danh about their self reliance?
                   \_ what does danh have to do with this?
                        \_ "If you have to ask..."
        \_ what does danh have to do with this?
        \_ This is the most odd troll I've seen in months.  Indians took
           what land from who?  You're broken.  Seek help, troll.
           \_ um, it's not a troll.  it's called "sarcasm".  look it up.
           \_ What part of "sovereign nation" don't you
              understand? - danh
                \_ I know what sarcasm is.  Racism and other forms of
                   stupidity and hatred are so common on the motd I figured
                   this was just one more.  This wasn't sarcasm.

12/15   Troll deleted.
        \_Very nice - you CS major you :)
           \_ Troll deleted II.
                \_ Why do you delete my opinions?
                  \_ I don't delete your opinions, I delete your trolls.
        \_ hey , I didn't get to read the troll & flame him (ok 1% chance her)
                              But it is correct English to use "him" _____/
        \_ put it back you twink.i want to read it.
        \_ I tell you what, I don't like anonymous censors even more. -jctwu
                \_ jctwu needs to be sodomized.
                   \_ I don't know what to say, other than if there are
                      ppl that reasonlessly trash mogul and like every
                      other innocent post on the motd, there is somebody
                      who would say "jctwu needs to be sodomized". -jctwu
                      \_ mogul is too powerful, and we fear him
        \_ Thanks Tom!  I'm that much safer now!  My mind is clear of unpure
           thoughts!
        \_ if you delete all the trolls, the motd will be empty!
          \_ If trolls are made illegal, then only criminals will troll.
        \_ in many cases, that would be an improvement.
          \_ turn off brain, go to sleep. Life without conflict is death.
        \_ again??
        \_ yes, amazing that the idiot keeps putting his stupid troll back.
        \_ Why do you care that anyone trolls the motd?  If morons didn't
           take the bait every god damned time, there'd be no trolls.

9/25    Today's edition of Famous People Sorried on the CSUA:
  wjolitz:*:2265:100:William F. Jolitz:/home/w/wjolitz:/csua/adm/bin/sorry
        \_ How did that happen?
                \_ years ago
                   \_ How did that happen?
                        \_ None of your business.
        grep sorry /etc/passwd | wc -l
             188
        \_That's a lot of people to be squished. What did they do?
                \_ Asked too many stupid questions invading other's privacy.
                   (In other words: NONE OF YOUR FUCKING NOSY BUSINESS.)

9/26    Just a quick update announcement: tom still has no penis.  thanks
        \_ shut up, shin.  -tom
           \_ what are you going to do - release the hounds? or the bees?
              or the hounds that shoot bees when they bark? well, go
              ahead.
                \_ shake shake shake, shake shake shake, shake your booty,
                   shake your booty.
                \_ I'm not going to do anything, except expose you for
                   the censoring coward that you are.  Of course other people
                   have been squished for continually munging the MOTD.  -tom
                   \_ You geek, that was an allusion to the Simpsons.
                   \_ How can a person be "squished" for doing anything to
                      the MOTD?
                        \_ chsh <user> /usr/local/bin/sorry
grep sorry /etc/passwd | wc -l
     188
        \_That's a lot of people to be squished. What did they do?
                        \_ That's /csua/adm/bin/sorry, fool. --root
                           \_ what is this program? all i got was a
                              message saying my account was turned off.
                                \_ you think that message magically appeared?
                                   the sorry program shows you a message
        \_ Another quick update; shin is still a fucking coward, not to
           mention an immature loser (penis jokes?)  -tom
                                   telling you why go to away and then sends
                                   you away.  moron.
                        \_ This the reason kchang got (thankfully) sorried?
                                \_ none of your business
                \_ There needs to be a motd.rant and a motd.help or some
                   other breakdown of motd.public
           \_ Does that matter to you? -shin

                        \_ motd.fuck.you
                \_ Oh well, I can always use OCF...   -shin
                        \_ only for now, OCF accounts go away after you
                          graduate, CSUA ones don't
                                \_ That's why I wanna have my WWW page on
                                   CSUA.  So that she will be able to keep
                                   in touch with me after my graduation.
                                        \_ she?
        \_ CSUA is a Penis-Free Zone.
                \_ Therefore is Babe-Free Zone
                    \_ Nah - we've got a nice collection of lesbian babes.
                      \_ Wannabe-pseudo-college-lesbians.  Not real
                         lesbians.  More like "lesbian for the week".
                             \_ that makes them way hotter. "real" lesbians
                                are psycho-millitant freaks. The wannabes are
                                just going through a "sexual awakening"
                                \_ Or maybe they're just claiming to be
                                   lesbians to keep away the pathetically
                                   desperate geeks who troll around here.
                                  \_ No way.  Experimental college "lesbians"
                                     are a big turn on.  I troll for lesbians.

9/3     Boredcast Message from soda!lwall () at 16:22 ...

        From: kchang@autobahn.org
        psb: your coworkers asian stupid "oh psb immigrants THE MAN! He knows
        Greek mythology asian stupid lila. He immigrants god."
        \_ Was there an English phrase in there?
           \_ Who cares about English. Was there ANYTHING comprehensible
              in any language in there.
        \_ Oh lord that was fun.  Squish me now, I've had my fun.
           \_ SHUT UP AARON
              \_ heheh..  foolish, arrogant mortal.

9/2     Anyone up for Ice Skating tomorrow (thursday) evening?  If so, meet at
        Berkeley Iceland at ~7:30.  Open hours are from 7:30-10:30.
        Price (with rental) is $5.00 with student ID, $7.50 without.
                -nweaver
        \_  whats the occasion?
            \_ She did yermom and yersis and wants to share his experiences
        \_ I'd like to see a TV ad for Geeks on Ice.
                \-give blood, play broomball. --psb
                   \_ I gave blood and went running.  Close enough? -PeterM
        \_ You all missed out.  2 soda people, 4 non-soda people,
           3 male, 3 female.  --PeterM
                \_ Interesting way of counting.  --alawrenc
           \_ so, 1 non-soda male?
                \_ By definition, there are no "soda females".
                        \_ Being a soda female, I beg to differ.
                           \_ You can beg.  It won't change cold hard reality.
                   \_ Soda females, yes. Soda babes, no.
                        \_ Take some basic anatomy classes and try again.
                           Thank you for playing.
                                \_ last time i checked, i was pretty
                                   darned female...  -lila
                                   \_ hang on a minute, let *me* check...
                                        \_ I've checked.  "She" is wrong.

9/1     Check out famous CSUA alumnus Bret "mogul" Mogilefsky on
        page 19 of this month's California Monthly.
        \_ Cool! Where do I get my copy!?  -mogul
        \_ What does this dude do again?
                \_ Play with sock monkeys and hit old machines with
                   the csua bat.  -John
                \_ He's the little known right hand man to George Lucas,
                   the "mogul" of LucasArts (hence the nickname).
                    \_ I wish! I'm the lead programmer on the game Grim
                       Fandango.  -mogul
                       \_ When's it coming out? Looks fucking badass from
                          the previews I've seen
                    \_ sorry, but 'mogul' predates his lucasarts employment
                   \_ I only attended one meeting, and after seeing a white
                      guy swinging a bat around menacingly, that was my last.
                        \_ Racist prick.  If it was some nigger with a bat,
                           that'd be ok?
                           \_ Sheesh, I was kidding.  But now I hope I offended
                              you and only you.
                                \_ I too am deeply offended that you chose not
                                   to participate in the CSUA due to the
                                   organization's President being Caucasian.
                                   There is no place for such racism in this
                                   organization.  Please go fuck yourself with
                                   a splintery broom.   -Offended Whitey
        \_ "Cerebrally ambidextrous."  Man, it's so easy to impress the
            yokels. -mogul

7/7 MOTD nuker nuked
        -- The Evil 4am MOTD Nuker Nuker What Nukes the Midnight MOTD
           Nuker at 4am
        \_ Uhm, yeah, whatever.  This is fucking stupid.
           \_ yo mama

6/10 Trolls SUCK.
     \_ I like trolls.  What do you have against short people?  Don't forget
        about all the good things they do for us, like the time that the
        Seven Trolls saved Snow White from the wicked witch . . .
        \_ so you like jsl?

5/27    Do people REALLY have to post such stupid trolls?
        \_ Yes, because it makes people like you reply which is the whole
           point of trolling.  Think of it as a fishing expedition.
           \_ No.  Fishing you catch fish.  Trolling you catch trolls.  -John
            \_ deleting a troll isn't responding to it.
                \_ Sure it is.  I love seeing that people have taken the
                   time and effort to delete my trolls.  -troll
                        \_ takes less time than creating them.

5/13     To the person erased all the messages yesterday-- because you are so
         hotheaded that you think your opinion weighs more than ours, NO
         MESSAGE WILL BE POSTED TODAY!!!!!!!!!!!!! I rather die than to be
         controlled by a Soda naxi censorer.
         \_ What's a naxi?  And if your life is so pathetic that you're
            going to spend all day monitoring the motd, maybe you
            _should_ die.
         \_ So you are going to become the Soda naxi censorer yourself.
         \_ One message, and three responses so far!  You're slipping!
         \_ Still, why don't people delete things FIFO, rather than purging
            the whole thing?  (Four responses.)
         \_ bah fuk you all i say nuke it every once in a while.. -shac
         \_ Poopyhead.

04/18   way outdated motd nuked
        \_OH MY GOD! THEY KILLED THE MOTD!! YOU BASTARDS!

4/10    ASUC is an anagram for CSUA. The top ten similarities between the
        two are...
        10. Top 10 lists are really stupid.
         9. Each organization contains innumerable people who think that
            Scott Bonds is a twink.
         8. Neither organization is making money off of the ASUC store.

3/24    Obligatory monthly request for decent ISP.  I'm in San Ramon.
        I'd like a decent 33.6 connection.  I don't care about web space,
        shell access, etc.  I just want clean net to Berkeley and the
        rest of the world.  A few bucks this way or that isn't important.
        \_check out LanMinds (<DEAD>www.lanminds.com)--they're<DEAD> quite good.
          (And their dialup number in San Ramon is 510-557-0601.)   --icrew
          LanMinds sucks!!!!!!!! took like THREE F*CKING days to get
          our ISDN connection back up after that power outage last month
          and when we first got our ISDN connection, we asked them what
          our SPID was and they said "What's that?"
        \_ You will NEVER get a clean connection to Berkeley due to Sprintnet.
           Get a clue, STUPID.
                \_ uh, I ftp from soda at over a hundred kb/sec. Seems pretty
                   clean to me. -- <DEAD>Mr.way-outside-of-berkeley.edu<DEAD>-domain
                   \_ But isn't it FUN to use AGGRESSIVE CAPITALIZATION and
                      call people STUPID, especially when you're being
                      ANONYMOUS???!???  I LOVE the SODA MOTD!!!!
                        \_ just a few bad apples set the tone for the motd.
                           we will nice them to death!!
                      \_ Be quiet rachel
          \_ Hmmm.. ok, service sucks but is the net connection good
             otherwise?
             \_ It would be, except they're clueless idiots and ended up
                actually slowing down their net connection through
                incompetence.
                \_ Implying that incompetence might have sped it up?  -pld

3/05    I would like to vote for a "no porn" policy on the CSUA web site.
        The situation is simply getting too ridiculous;  not to even mention
        that it may be violating some UCB policy.  I propose that we all
        porn pages off to OCF if they can host them and leave CSUA
        to be used for more important things.  THank YOu.
        -A very concerned CSUA member/parent
        \_ Show us what UCB policy is being violated, or for that matter
           what CSUA policy.  And define "porn."  -tom
        \_ I'm not your kids' parent.  Deal with it.  It doesn't take a
           village to raise a child.  It takes parents.  Real parents.  You
           seriously believe that removing art from the CSUA's web site will
           keep Johnny from seeing nekkig girlz on the web?
        \_ If you want this done, propose it at the next politburo
           meeting.  If enough members vote for it, it will become
           the law.
           \_ Yep, and who gets squicked when non-porn gets removed or you
              fail to police "real" porn and someone's kid sees it?  Let it
              be.
        \_ No such UCB policy exists.  In fact, this is a really really bad
           idea because now you're trying to decide what's porn and not and
           the "I can't define it, but I know what it is when I see it" method
           doesn't hold water.  Also, you're talking about possible
           infringement of first amendment rights.  I *strongly* suggest the
           CSUA ignores all the porn.  If you want a disk space policy, that's
           a different matter, but you're looking for trouble when you filter
           by content.  At my site we don't do *any* sort of anything like
           this.  Until there's a serious legal problem, just leave it alone.
           I suggest this concerned parent watch what their kids are doing on
           the computer.  It is your responsibility to take care of your kids,
           not the CSUA's or any other computer organisation.  Try NetNanny or
           something if it bothers you so much.  -A very concerned member
        \_ Look, I'm as much in favor of a good yank as the next guy, maybe
           even more, but I think a no porn policy might be good.  It's not an
           infringement of the first amendment, any more than, say, the
           Chronicle refusing to print porn is.  It's honestly mostly a matter
           of bandwidth - the CSUA has had a lot of problems with porn getting
           too many hits, and there's no reason to believe that'll stop.  As
                \_ So the problem is number of hits, not that it's porn.
                   Therefore, censorship solves the wrong problem and the
                   correct solution is either per-user hit limits or hacking
                   the httpd/kernel to assign scheduling tickets for user pages
                   out of the user's pool so if one user gets lots of hits it
                   only hoses them.     -alanc-
           far as what's porn and what isn't, that's a hard decision
           sometimes;es, but it's fairly reasonable to say that it can be
           judged on a case-by-case basis (like everyothing else in this
             \_ Really?  You plan to personally view all 5000 gifs I intend
                to make available on a weekly rotating basis?
           crazy, shiftless world).  Or, another way of doing it is saying
           that any content that generates a certain level of bandwidth
           should require approval beforehand.  The question isn't whether
             \_ One man's porn is another man's art.  Are we using my
                standards or yours?  I'm surprised to see such right wing
                control oriented fascism coming from you, Ted.  Where have
                the barefoot days gone?
           porn is bad - it's whether CSUA should shell out the bucks to host
           it.  -thepro
                \_ The problem is CSUA bucks come via mandatory student fees
                        and are therefore bound by all sorts of University
                        & ASUC regulations.  If the CSUA decides to exercise
                        editorial control over web pages it causes many more
                        problems than not doing so.  (Not that the CSUA spends
                        any bucks on web serving - the machine was donated and
                        the net is paid for by the University.)
                        \_ THANK YOU!  This is the point I failed to make
                           earlier.  -first to say leave it alone.
        \_ Oh pull that dildo out of your ass and shut the fuck up.  If
           keep your kid from viewing porn if it bothers you.  Don't
           make the rest of the world do your work for you. -aspo
        \_ Bitch, shut the fuck up.  You stole my man bitch, I'm taking
           you on Springer.  Bitch!!!

03/04   motd nuked
        \_ Awaiting the fallout...
        \_ Cool! - #1 Motd Anti-Fan
                \_ If you were with it, you know that you can't combine
                   fandom, a positive, with anti-anything, a negative.
                   \_ This makes absolutely no logical sense.
                        \_ Obviously you're not with it.  End of story.
        \_ Bastard [...]
                \_ try again. --#2 psb fan
                        \_ aw, I missed it.  What'd he say?  -psb #1 Fan
                                \-yeah, what did i say? --OTPSB
        \_ Bastard motherfucker smallminded bastard censor fascist pig.  When
           the brownshirted dictator oppressors come to your house to round
           _you_ up and take you to the death camp for daring to think thoughts
           that _they_ found unacceptable, don't expect me to cry for you,
           bastard.  Rather, I'll spit on your cold, unmarked grave.
           Remember that the long slow slide toward complete erosion of our
           personal freedom of expression started right here, right now, today
           with the smallminded censors of the glorious soda wall.
           \_ i.e. you suck?

1/27    identd is running on soda, btw, with some modifications, read manpage
        \_ it's generating cookies, not returning plain usernames. this means
           two things: 1) soda admin can still ID people and 2) IRC has
           problems because it's written by stupid people, for stupid people.
           we now return you to your regularly scheduled idiocy --aaron
       \_ does this mean ill have to cut down on my "finger motd@soda"
          habit :)
          \_ this is not an identd thing. whether fingerd reverse-queries
             for ident information is wholly independent of us running an
             identd. --aaron
        \_ I read it, but I still don't really get what it does, or how
           it's used.
                \_ When you connect to other computers, they can find out
                        which of the 100+ users on soda at that time opened
                        the connection.
        \_ identd is installed? really? IRC is still generating random
           user names
                \_ Read what aaron wrote you moron.
                    \_ f.u. moron, I wrote this before aaron replied. Dumbass
        \_ I thought it was agreeded a long time ago that soda would
           NOT run identd.
                \_ In your dreams.
           \_ Yeah, and that was written down where exactly and agreed
              by who?  [I said "who", I meant "who".  "Whom" is a dead form.]
                \_ not dead as long as you get flamed for using "who" where
                   people want to hear "whom"...
                   \_ uh huh... what people?  a pompous grammarian ass like
                      yourself who still didn't answer my question?
                        \_ yup! grammar stratifies. live with it.
                                \_ Don't stratify me you el8ist prick.
           \_ The last thing I ever heard was that adork wouldnt run it on
              the sequent due to problems with Dynix's TCP stack -- clueless

2/25    Anyone have a .ps (or any other format) for the City of Berkeley
        parking permits?  I was hoping someone else had already done the
        2 week temp. permit.  thanks (yes I know its illegal)
         \_ Real men don't pay for parking you dick.  Paying for
            parking is like paying for sex.  It just doesn't feel
            right.
        \_ Not to mention rather hard for the new ones with the City logo
         embossed in a circle of gold foil.
         \_ Actually the the gold circle just looked like a glued
            on kinda golden thingy.  No big deal to make my own.
        \_ Because of a special agreement, you can place Berkeley Farms
           milk cartons on your dashboard instead of the permits.
        \_ Is all the time you're going to waste really worth the $2 you save?
         \_ I don't live in Berkeley.  I thought that even a 14 day
            permit required CDL and car registration in Berkeley?
                        \_ only some proof you live in berkeley - CDL, phone
                           bill, cable tv bill, whatever - and unless you're
                           a complete dweeb you should be able to find someone
                           who lives in the area of Berkeley you want.  Of
                           course they have no reason to help a shmuck like
                           you steal parking from their neighbors just because
                           you're a lazy selfish cheap asshole
           \_ Yeah, I suppose all the taxes, shitty roads,
              tickets, and other BS isn't punishment enough for
              working in Berkeley.  I should pay $10/day at
              some overpriced garage or get fucked in a variety
              of other ways.  A real city wouldn't have the
              idiotic parking scam Berkeley has.  Thanks for
              info.  I know plenty of people who would help
              out.  Oh yeah, where does "lazy" "selfish"
              "cheap" or "asshole" come in this?  Only a loser
              or a schmuck (learn to spell Yiddish words before
              trying to use them) would submit to the Berkeley
              parking insanity.
              \_ Cars suck, and people who steal money from
          cities and then complain about the roads suck
          more.
           \_ "lazy" == take BART/buses or RIDE BIKE!
           \_ so get a f*cking job with an employer
              who'll get you parking (companies *CAN*
              get parking stickers for employees).
              Besides - YOU DON'T PAY ANY TAXES that
              go to the City of Berkeley moron.  (And
              parking is hell everywhere, not just here)
              \_ Pardon me, but where the f*ck do you
          think sales tax goes?  You might be
          surprised to learn that the city
          gets quite a bit of it.
          \_ Yeah the ten years I lived here did a lot to
          improve the roads, not.  Ride a bike?  Yeah right,
          over the bridge, under the freeway, blah blah blah.
          And no parking is not Hell everywhere.  Only in
          Berkeley and SF for the most part.  And yes I have
          and still do pay various taxes to the city of
          Berkeley.  But maybe you're right.  I should join
          the hordes of idiots in Crit. Mass and ride my
          bike 2 hours each way everyday.... or golly I
          could get a job next to where I live for half the
          pay, but it would be good for the environment. Yeah
          right.  When Hell freezes over, plus a day.  As I
          said before thanks for the 14 permit tip.  All
          pro-CM flames to /dev/null.  I couldn't care less.
          \_ Over the bridge?  You're coming from San Francisco
             to Berkeley and you're *driving*?  they should
             charge you extra
           \_ Actually no.  I just had a particular song in
              mind when I wrote that.  I'm on this side of the
              bridge.  "Over the hill and through the woods".

8/7     All the 'free danh' ascii shit deleted.  it's that kind of figlet
        abuse on walls that gets him squished.  don't be fucking stupid,
        you mindless danh minions.
        \_ All anti-danh factions are hereby reminded that sometimes
           laxatives _DO_ help
        \_ i did not write that.  fuck you forging fuckers.  -lila
        \_ CENSORED BY THE MANH

3/5     NAMBLA now has an entire copy of the SUN service manuals.  Big CSUA
        points to boss and retnuh for helping me copy them.  -eric
        \ What's NAMBLA?
        \_ Uh, do we have any suns???
           \_ How could you not know that weve got several suns in the office!?
             \_  Because they look like scrap parts. Do I have account on them?
          \_ what a typical CSUA
              h0zer attitude!
        Quick Clues for the Clueless:
        1) This is the public motd.  Everything in it is suspect, including
           this statement.
        2) if anyone tells you to use the "chsh" or "rm" command make sure
           you know what the command does first.
        3) Type "man chsh".  This will show the MANual entry.  For that
           matter, use the man command before asking stupid questions.
           People on soda tend to flame stupid questions.
        4) There is no such thing as a stupid question.
        5) There is only Zuul.
        6) This whole thing will probably be deleted/flamed
           within 5 minutes.  This is typical.
        7) That is all.  You will be tested.
        8) ARGH!  not another test!
        9) Go back and read number one.
        \_ you forgot to tell them what "yer mom" is
         \_ I got yermom right here pal
        \_ you also forgot about cows.
           \_you hypocrites, does your mother know where you are?
         \_ go away kchang

1/22    Politburo meetings are Fridays at noon.

+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+

                       welcome to SLODA, mark 0.38
\_ Is everyone invited?
   \_ What does "public" mean to you?
        \_ 1. pub.lic: Having easy access to yermom.
        \_ % grep -i public  /etc/motd.official
           %

                          Welcome to Soda Mark III
                            CSUA Wonder Machine
                  (read: a Pinto without hard disk space)

Ali's Daily Quote from Life's Little Insturction Calendar:
----------------------------------------------------------
 "Read the ten books nominated each year for the ABBY Award."
        -Tue, Feb 8.

\_ Does anyone have a problem with me doing this?

) Friday February 11 noon lecture, 145 Dwinelle Hall
)
) The Information Highway Has Many Potholes
) by Barbara Simons, Chair, US Public Policy Committee, ACM

1/24    Does anyone know where I can get a list of college CEEB codes at
        Berkeley? Does anyone know the CEEB code for Berkeley and Van
        Nuys High School? I really really really need the codes by this
        week. Mail me please. Thanks.   -kchang
        \_ What are CEEB codes?  Are you transferring out of Berkeley?
         \_ None of your )(*@#$ business!  -kchang
        \_ Don't be a lazy bum, just go on down to Sproul and wait in line.
        \_ Information like this should be on-line.  This is the
           Information Age!!!!
        \_ Get a fucking clue dude.  This is Berkeley.  Berkeley despises
           handing out useful information, especially to students. - norby
        \_ go kill yerself, kchang
        \_ Use the phone. Call them up and ask....
        \_ go grab a copy of this year's SAT booklet or something...
              \_ sheesh you guys: i have the GRE code for berkeley: R4833
           (that probably doesn't help)

10/9    Time to fire Goobertson; what lousy play calling in the 4th
        quarter!  you simply can't expect to run the time out when
        your opponent can easily score 2 TDs in 4 minutes.
        It was not meant to be.  back to old Cal football.  forget
        the Rose Bowl.  watch arizona vs. OSU/PSU
        \_ 1) Get a clue.  If Bryan hits the FG, we win and Gilbie looks
         great.  If we recover the onsides kick, we win and Gilbie
         looks great.  If we throw into the end zone instead, we
         don't take any time off the clock and if we don't score,
         idiots like you would be second-guessing that.
           2) Our chances at the Rose Bowl are almost exactly what they
         were before: we need to win the rest of our Pac-10 games,
         that's all.  We *are* the best team in the Pac 10.  We *can*
         win the rest.  But if the fans are going to fucking quit
         just because the other team got LUCKY and beat us, we might
         as well give up now.  I hear they're accepting applications
  for losers at Stanford.  GO BEARS!         -tom
         \_ We're decent, but Arizona looks pretty good, too
         \_ It should be a good game.  We will win.
                  \_ Tom's assessment is pretty good.  A win yesterday would
                     have been very nice, but we haven't lost all our chances
                     to the Rose Bowl --- we would have to beat Arizona
                     anyways to get there.  We should not, under any
                     circumstances, throw the towel in an already great
              season.  - hob
              \jeesh, what a bunch of whiners. The Bears suck, they
        have always sucked and they always will suck. I can
        remember when we were happy to beat the spread...
        Go Bears!   -ausman
        \_ Hey, we did beat the spread vs Washington..
          \_ Look guys....our kicker sucks.....oh and
             Butthead here agrees with.

5/8     Adam Glass is the newest elite who believes that wallall should
        be deleted.  Do you think that it is acceptable for the elite to
        dictate what programs you may use?  wallall will be deleted on
        Monday after the Politburo meeting unless something is done.
        \_ no it won't, because adam's solution is extreme and everyone
           else agreed so, shannon.  but people ought to chill out and
           respect each other a bit while walling.  -george
         \what if i have no respect for someone outside wall-world --psb
         \_ That's censorship, which is to say restriction of
            a specific type of speech by those people who control
            the allocation of the resources for that speech.  Is
            that acceptable?
            \_ Um, actually, I don't think that's censorship.  If
        they control the resources, then they *control* *the*
        *resources*, and can do what they want.  Censorship
        is restriction of speech by someone who doesn't control
        the resource, like the government.  If you want soda
        to be un-managed, say so.
          \uh how do you censor if you dont have control? --psb
            \_ Yes.  There is no excuse for tolerating electronic
        harrassment in the name of free speech. -gwh
          \No, there is no reason for tolerating dumb speech
           in the name of george. When all you need to do is
           "electronically close you eyes" [wallall -n], its
           tough to make the case this is harassment.
           besides, wallall preserves ample records and witnesses
           if you want to make the case for harassment. --psb
        \_If you don't like elites making decisions, then we can throw
          this to the general membership.  Easy. -dpassage
         \_ RIght....the 20 or so people who attend CSUA general
            meetings aren't the elite, eh?
         \what do people think about re-writing the CSUA const
         to include a machine supervision cmte which will make
         policies for the machine(s) independent of the politburo,
         who will continue to run other csua activites. you could
         maybe have 1 person per 50 or 100 [or whatever] users ...
         this way this group will be reasonably representative of the
         membership ... the 5person ex-com certainly is not ...
         especially when they arbitrarily choose a bunch of their
         friends to help make policy at the exclusion of orthers.
          \_ you're just offended because you have no friends.
         and this group will presmable feel responsive to their
         "constituency" if they want to be re-relected.
         please send *me* input on this idea. --psb
         \_We could take the vote electronically. I'm working
           on a couple of ideas on how we could do this.-dpassage
           \-- You don't seem to understand.  You elected these
        bozos.  They can do whatever they want.  If they
        voted to turn off soda tonight and never turn it
        back on, they could do it.  A general meeting
        could overturn, but that's it.  [This actually
        sidesteps the issue that you DID NOT elect Adam
        Glass - because he is a friend of the politburo,
        he is CLEARLY getting preferential treatment.
        That is a problem for another day though].
        ^ Adam Glass, the CSUA's Hilary Clinton.
          What a concept.
           \_ More like our Stalin
        \_I don't see how Adam is getting special treatment.  He proposed
          a policy change.  I said we'd vote on it, and asked for public
          input.  Any other user is welcome to do the same.  And I'm not
          pretending that a Politburo meeting can be a general meeting;
          if opinion at the meeting is overwhelmingly one way (which it
          appears it is), then the status quo will remain.  If Adam wants
          to push it further, which is his right under our const., I'm
        \_ I am not at all convinced that free speech is more important
           than the cohesiveness of the Organization. -- Marco
         \-you're free to leave. i think free speech is more imp
           than your being a member.