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2000/6/4 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:18400 Activity:low
04/64   motd introspection:
           * "very simple piece of advice that you will pick up fast.  STAY OFF
              THE MAIN DRAGS." hehe.
2000/5/26-27 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:18344 Activity:nil 71%like:18354
**/** Mail root for -administrative- questions. For assistance, mail help.

YOU MUST BE THIS TALL TO EDIT THE MOTD - BEWARE OF SMARTASSES BELOW THIS LINE
  [ See also: /csua/pub/jobs & /csua/pub/housing & /csua/pub/recruiting ]
2000/5/16-17 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:18273 Activity:very high
5/15    Where is the CSUA MOTD FAQ? TIA
        \_ If you have to ask, you don't know.
        \_ /csua/adm/doc/policies/motd  --root
           \_ "The MOTD may not be used for non-University business."
              by that account, 90% of all motd postings are in violation.
        \_ I meant more like the most frequently asked/posted
           threads/questions...and their answers. Should the librarian
           or someone compile the top 16 most common CSUA MOTD Questions?
           \_ why don't you? if you want it done, it'd most likely work best
              if you do it as opposed to asking for _someone_ to do it.
           \_ No.  That's not the libarian's job.  You want them to collect
              walled zinc haiku too?
              \_ hi G!
              \_ Unnecessary.  Already done.  -pld
                \_ as an official part of librarian duties?  No.
                   \_ "or someone" did it.  -pld
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2000/5/15-17 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:18271 Activity:moderate
5/16    Some kids never learn.  Motd restored.  Edit, do not wipe clean.
        \_ do not uuencode.
                \_ If some fool added a uuencoded file to the net, then just
                   kill that.  Don't punish us all.
                            \_ where's this punishment?  He just uuencoded
                               the whole motd!  How is that useful to anyone?
                                        \_ Wiping the whole motd punishes
                                           everyone.  Just restore the last
                                           pre-fucked copy and move on.
2000/5/15 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:18263 Activity:nil
5/15    Motd is funny today.  I think this meta-motd pretty much summarizes
        the motd subculture.  You guys rule.
2000/5/5-6 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:18184 Activity:moderate
4/35    Who the fuck is erasing 30%+ of motd replies in the past 3 days?
        \_ I think it's crebbs. At least he last edited it before this most
           recent spate of deletions. --motd witch-hunt god
        \_ tom is the unofficial motd purger.  -!tom
        \_ This motd sucks.  Why doesn't someone either write a program
           to manage this, install ultimateBB on the csua web page,
           or start a csua newsgroup server?
2000/5/3-7 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:18160 Activity:nil
05/02 Job listings in /csua/pub/jobs/ExchangeWave (it's some B2B ecommerce
      startup by Berkeley grads) -dans
        \_ Moved to the unofficial motd by the motd god. -- the motd god
2000/5/2-3 [Industry/Jobs, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:18158 Activity:very high 70%like:18157
4/32    What are the best job search/employee search websites for non-techies?
        Should include sites where employers can look for non-techie people.
        \_ Who cares?  There aren't any.  Use a newspaper.  Check the signs
           on the doors at local fast food places.  Maybe you can get a job at
           Krispie Kream and those of us with real jobs can skip the line?
           \_ unfortuatly, thats not true. my poly sci major roomate was a
              fucking idiot with no skills or knowledge or inteligence
              *except* the ability to get all A's in his three classes
              a semester of fluff.  when he graduated, he went to go work for
              goldman-sachs on the basis of this one skill making what i would
              guess is comparable to good tech salaries(on the order of 100k).
              in a good , fair workld, run by engineers, skill would be corelated
              to salary, but it is not.  nor is inteligence or knowledge.
              someone with great grades form uc berkeley can get a high paying
              job if they know how to wear a suit and fit in with whatever
              kind of nincopoop they happen to want to work for.
              \_ Hey, calm down there fella! Maybe you should take a minute,
                 sit back, listen to your whalesong tapes, do your aroma
                 therapy thing, then come back and fix your goddamn
                 grammar and your suck-ass typos.
        \_ [local motd flavor purged]
           [if it actually added humor, it would still be here]
2000/4/22-24 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:18083 Activity:high
4/22  An old motd is better than no motd.  Restored.  Keep deleting it.
      I don't care.  I'll just keep restoring it until you get bored.
      I've infinite patience.
      \_ Let's see about that.
              \_ Shrug.  Whatever.  It's part of my login sequence.  That
                 allows me to be pretty damned patient.
                 \_ isn't that, umm, squishable?
                    \_ The current policy can be interpreted such that
                       ANY repeated fux0ring with the motd is squishable,
                       whether it's automated or not (even though kchang
                       was squished for the former).
                              \_ Remember the Kchang!
                    \_ Whatever.  If The Powers That Be want to squish me
                       for checking motd length and copying back over it
                       automatically if the length is zero, then whatever.
                       Given how long blatantly obnoxious behavior is
                       tolerated and how many warnings are given before
                       anyone even starts to talk about squishing, I'm not
                       deeply concerned about it.  Thanks for caring,
                       though.
                       \_ Regularly restoring a nuked motd isn't fux0ring.
                          Nuking the motd regularly is. -dans
http://www.easter.com
  \_ http://www.passover.com
2000/4/22 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:18081 Activity:nil
4/22    An old motd is better than no motd.  Restored.
2000/4/20 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd, Uncategorized/Profanity] UID:18063 Activity:high
4/19    Fucking Tom deletes half the motd and adds nothing of value to it
        and does *not* sign his name to his "Fuck Paul" entry.  -fucks tom
        \_ "Fuck Paul" is not a Tom comment.
        \_ I don't know what the comment was about, but that sounds
           like a good position to take.  Fuck Paul. -aspo
        \_ i trimmed the motd Wednesday afternoon to ~140 lines, not tom.
           you may stop frothing at the mouth now. -jwang
                \_ and another thing, deleting half the MOTD, most of the
                   time, is adding great value to it.  -tom
                        \_ and yet another thing, anonymous coward, I find
                           it interesting that you're monitoring my
                           processes.  -tom
                           \_ why do you claim this person is monitoring your
                              processes?
                        \_ he seemed to know that I had edited the MOTD at
                           a particular time (part of this discussion has
                           been deleted).  Of course, he was wrong so he may
                           just have been lying.  It's hard to tell with
                           anonymous cowards.  -tom
                           \_ Tom deletes motd stuff that threatens him.
2000/4/16 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:18020 Activity:nil
4/15    Stop posting anything on the motd.  The motd is reserved only for
        ilyas, ali, and tom.
                \_ why, because we're the only ones with the guts to
                   sign our names?  -tom
        \_ tell us about the stars ilyas!
2000/3/21-22 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:17817 Activity:very high
3/21    Politburo Meeting Tonight, 5:00 PM in 343/337 Soda (The rooms are
        across the hall from each other).  Yeah it's in the motd.official,
        but just in case you missed it. -dans
        \_ No, I don't see it in motd.official.
           -rw-rw-r--  1 root  motd  894 Mar 14 00:53 /etc/motd.official
           \_ --==< Politburo Meetings: Tuesdays, 5:00pm, 337 Soda. >==--
              Perhaps you should have your vision checked.
        \_ politburo = nasty geek politics
           \_ politburo == nasty geek politics
        \_ Foo!
2000/3/16-17 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:17772 Activity:high 69%like:17783
3/15    Anybody else besides mehlhaff have a motd archive?  I'm trying to
        find answers to a question I posted yesterday.  mehlhaff's motd
        mechanism seems kinda flaky.
        \_ Many versions of the motd have been sent to /dev/null
        \_ hey, if you dont like it, archive it in your own better
           way.  -mehlhaff
        \_ I think mehlhaff should turn off read access so little whiners
           like you get what they paid for.

Always: Participate, don't spectate.
        (25% of my disk quota to whoever knows where that's from.)
        \_ It's from "Gregory's Two Girls". You got it backwards. Send disk
           space to bray@csua.
        \_ Mate, don't masturbate.  (From me.)
           \_ Does that include gay mating?
              \_ Up to you.
                 \_ Yay!
                    \_ Homosexuals can only attempt to make.  The attempt is
                    \_ Homosexuals can only attempt to mate.  The attempt is
                       biologically doomed to fail in humans.

Now:    Be a creator, not a destroyer.
        \_ I create crap.  And lots of it. -netuser
2000/3/10-12 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:17734 Activity:high
3/10    Is there still a difference between US and int'l encryption on
        browsers?
        Yes.  I'm assuming you know what the difference is, but if you don't,
        I'd be glad to explain it. -dans
          \_  Maybe not.  I thought only US version is 128 bit strong
                encryption but now it seems that int'l version is also like
                that.  Does that have to do with the recent legislation?
                \_ Ah, I forgot.  Recent legislation allows companies to
                   export strong encryption on a case by case basis.  I'm
                   unfortunately not aware of the gory legal details.  What
                   you suggest sounds quite possible though. -dans
        \_ Once again we see dans mouthing off about something he knows nothing
           about....
           \_ You nuked my response to this as well as someone's followup
              comment stating that it wasn't legislation, but executive
              action, and that it hadn't gone into effect yet.  You also
              nuked my response to your asanine comment pointing out that
              1) My original reponse, that the difference still exists is
              correct and 2) I very clearly stated that I am uncertain of
              the gory legal details.  Either add something useful or piss
              off, but don't nuke useful responses. -dans
           \_ You nuked someone's followup comment stating that it wasn't
              legislation, but executive action, and that it hadn't gone
              into effect yet.  You also nuked my response to your asanine
                                                                   \_ English 1A
              comment pointing out that 1) My original reponse, that the
              difference still exists is correct and 2) I very clearly stated
              that I am uncertain of the gory legal details.  Either add
              something useful or piss off, but don't nuke useful responses.
              -dans
              P.S. Sign yer posts you twink.
                \_ I nuked nothing.  Go fuck yourself.  The motd got nuked
                   flat many times today and I restored the copy I had which
                   was better than the zero bytes here.  Did I tell you to
                   \_ Go fuck yourself.  When your done, go stick your head
                      in a pig.  While you're at it, sign yer posts. -dans
                   go fuck yourself, yet?  Oh yes, I did.  -happily not dans
                   \_ Go fuck yourself.  Repeat.  Then go stick your head in
                      a pig.
                              _/o  \/      \@  _________

                               \___/\______/   \ \     \_____ I
                                                Lung   Ass
                Anatomically correct ears       Lung   Ass
                                  |   (after one level of indirection)
                                                 |      |Apple II
                              _/o  \/      \@  __v______v
                             O_             )=(  ____I_ <______
             O2 --> mouth -->  >___/\______/   \ \     \_____ I
                                _n_  ______      |      ||
                                  v              |      |Apple II
                                _/|  ______      |      ||
             O2 --> mouth --> O>___/\______/   \ \     \_____ I
                              _/x  \/      \@  __v______vv
                             O_             )=(  ____I_ <O_____
             O2 --> mouth --> O>___/\______/   \ \     \_____ I<--- also cooked
                              ^   \  II  II     II           II /
                              |    \___________________________/
                           Apple I              ^
                                                |
                                              plate

                      Then sign yer posts you twink. -dans

                      \_ Once again dans reaches new heights of maturity
                         and leadership on the motd.
                         \_ Yes, and the motd has always been such a bastion
                            of maturity in this sober and reserved
                            organization. -dans
                         \_ The pig lacks a mouth. How does it eat?
                            \_ Now that you've added a mouth so the pig can
                               eat, where does the food go after it digests?
                                \_ The *real* question is: how does the user
                                  that movie did. And now that it has a
                                  mouth, what would it say with such an
                                  uncomfortable object up it's ASS??
                               \_ Thanks for answering my queries regarding
                                  the lack of mouth and where the food goes
                                  when it digests. I notice that
                                  the pig is now dead and cooked. So does
                                  that mean the guy with the head in the
                                  pig can eat his way out now?
                                   breathe?
                               \_ I also have another question, i forgot to
                                  ask before: why does the pig have an "n"
                                  for ears? I thought pigs had more pointy
                                  and large ears -- at least the one in
                                  that movie did. I did not realize pigs
                                  could talk until I saw that movie. Since
                                  this pig now has a mouth, what would it
                                  say with such an uncomfortable object up
                                  it's ASS??
                               \_ Also, thanks for answering my queries
                                  regarding the lack of mouth and where
                                  the food goes when it digests. I notice
                                  that the pig is now dead and cooked. So
                                  does that mean the guy with the head in
                                  the pig can eat his way out now?
                            \_ More importantly, where do you stick the apple
                               when you cook it?
                      \_ dans, you are truly the van gogh of our generation.
                         \_ Can I have his spare ear?
                \_ Wow, dans, you sure showed me with that ancient ascii 'art'
                   rip off.  Your lame rip off doesn't make you any less stupid
                   or ignorant.  If you spent more time on issues like the
                   problem with the treasurer or the mail spools rather than
                   posting crap to the motd and proving your manhood by signing
                   your garbage then maybe someone would have some respect for
                   you instead of pissing down your throat on the motd
                   everyday.  You reap what you sow.  By signing you show not
                   that you're a real studboy but that you take the motd too
                   seriously and are just a twit and an incompetent imbecile
                   incapable of performing the most basic duties of the office
                   you voluntarily ran for.  Do your job.  No one gives a shit
                   if you sign your filth.
                   \_ Fuck you, you twink.  Problem with treasurer: he doesn't
                      read his soda mail, and I solve this how?  Force him to
                      read his e-mail with the evil e-mail water cure torture?
                      I don't think so.  Impeach him?  Who's going to replace
                      him?  You?  Are you even eligible for the politburo?
                      Even if you are, you won't even claim responsibility for
                      your posts on the motd, so why the hell should anyone
                      expect you to be any better as treasurer?  In light of
                      the situation, mikeh and I did the best thing possible:
                      we routed around it.  Note our repeated admonitions to
                      send inquiries regarding donations to one of us, not
                      twohey.
                      Problem with the mail spools:
                      Short term answer:
                      a) I don't have root. b) machines have been the VP's
                      domain for a long time.  mikeh and the other root staff
                      do a damn good job of managing things.  I'm not going to
                      step on their toes by madly gzipping offender's
                      mailspools and dropping them in their home directories.
                      If that's the right thing to do in this situation, then
                      the root staff will do it.  It's their decision. a) if
                      there is a different solution (i.e. reducing mail
                      quotas), they'll pursue it, but, regardless, it remains
                      their decision.
                      Long term answer:
                      Get more disk.  Duh.  I'll repeat what I've said before:
                      There's talk of a soda upgrade.  Because we don't know
                      the exact kind of disk (SCSI, duh, but what kind of
                      SCSI?) we'll be using, we're not going to rush out and
                      buy a disk to solve today's mail spool problem if we
                      can't use it in new soda a month from now.  Until either
                      soda gets upgraded or we decide it's not going to
                      happen, buying a disk is out of the question.  If
                      someone has a spare disk they can donate, that might
                      help, but most of the offers we've seen have been
                      to buy or supply funds for the purchase of a disk.
                      As important to the CSUA as soda is, soda != CSUA, and
                      my job is not to baby sit it.  If you want to criticize
                      the job I've done as prez, try actually reading the
                      job description first (it's in the CSUA constitution).
                      I don't sign my posts because I believe in owning my
                      words.  I do it independent of the medium.  I suppose
                      you must have difficulty owning your words, seeing as
                      they're all shit. -dans
                      P.S. No rip-off, it's straight out of the CSUA
                      Encyclopedia.  Frankly I think the subsequent
                      discussion is damned funny.
                        \_ Have some balls.  Impeach him, give someone else the
                           opportunity to do it.  An empty office is better
                           than a do-nothing office.  As far as the CSUA
                           Constitution goes, I wrote parts of it.  I think I
                           know what it says.  Don't use a piece of paper to
                           hide your ineffective cowardess.  Stand up and do
                           the right thing.  "It's not my job!" is the lamest
                           weakest cop-out ever given. Make it your job! Those
                           who came before and will be coming after will
                           appreciate it.  Don't be another worthless resume
                           stuffing figurehead.
2000/2/26 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:17637 Activity:nil
2/25    Why does motdwatch not work anymore?
2000/2/23 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:17597 Activity:nil
10/3    I promise to keep my virginity as long as I am a soda geek.
                --- promise keeper
        \_ as if you could help it...
        \_ That isn't much of a promise.  More of a guarantee.
        \_ The rest of soda promises to help you achieve this goal.
        \_ I lost mine last night.
           \_ I lost mine to psb and nweaver at BAGG last week
                -- promise breaker
        \_ Lose your virginity by hitting on one of the CSUA sluts
                \_ That only works for women since all the CSUA sluts are
                        lesbians
                   \_ Name one who claims lesbianism but hasn't had a long
                      string of male sex partners or isn't currently screwing
                      some random dude.
                   \_ I can personnaly assure you that this is FAR from true.
                      -Soda Mack Daddy
                        \_ So a guy who sleeps around is a mack, but a
                           girl who sleeps around is a slut?  One standard
                           is plenty.
                           \_ How about we drop the use of the term "slut"
                              and use "sexually empowered woman" instead
                                \_ "Slut" is more accurate.  -The Mack
                   **_  Name some witness please.
                        \_ Uh huh.  More like wannabe college-cool lesbians.
                        A soda chick claiming lesbianism is merely the typical
                        its-so-cool college attitude compounded by the need
                        for a defense against the typical sex starved soda
                        geek she comes into contact with through the csua.
                        \_ This analysis is so right on that I must comment
                           on  it explicitly.  It shows a depth and keeness
                             of intellect rarely  exhibited on the soda motd.
                             Well done -- motdd
                             \_ So you haven't been able to get any either?
                               \_ No, I was just making a comment about that
                               statment above; but your response is funny :)
                               also, I think most of the soda women (girls?)
                               are skanky, or damaged goods, or a combo of
                               both -- motdd (yes, there are exceptions, I
                               know- and I include the men (boys) in this
                               as well)
                                \_ damaged goods, huh?  So are you a virgin?
                                  \_ Damaged doesn't mean "non-virgin".  It
                                  means "psychotic and emotional mess".
                        \_ What about those chicks who crave attention they
                           can't get anywhere else?
                          \_ At Berkeley the competition is so minimal that
                             all a chick has to do to get attention is breathe.
                             Yes, this _does_ say something about men at Cal
                             as well.
        \just shows that some people need to get a clue when it comes to women
                \_ And you made this observation on paid company time?
                   (I'm not getting paid while typing this.)
                   \_ then you are a loser and a slave.  The only excuse
                   for posting to the soda motd is doing it on company time;
                   doing it on your own time is a waste of what little life
                   you have. -- posting this on company time, right after my
                   2 hour lunch.
                        \_ I didn't take a 2 hour lunch today but I showed
                        4 hours late and I'm going home 2 hours early. I'm
                        also getting paid to post this.  How's that?
                        \_ that's pretty good, if you can keep it up :)
                          \_ It's killing me.  I need more hobbies since like
                             a US farmer, I get paid not to work.
                \_ And your problem with this is ?
                \_ The women on soda are smart enough not to get involved
                   in this thread
                \_ hear hear - the voice of reason. best to let the boys
                   be oh so brave and daring by posting their rantings to the
                   soda motd - it's not like any of them would ever have the
                   guts to even make a peep about any issue IRL anyway - just
                                                            \_  I feel stupid
                                                                for asking,
                                                                but I really
                                                                want to know
                                                                what is "IRL"?
                   keep playing and posting in your insulated little world
                   and never actually do anything. suits us just fine.
                   \_ and this surprises you?
                   \_ Rantings?  What rantings?  A few facts:
                        0) PRINT "HELLO, WORLD!"
                        1) No real women in soda hall
                        2) No real lesbians in soda hall
                        3) No real men in soda hall
                        4) No real or simulated sex in soda hall
                        5) I get paid to post to the motd which hell sure
                           beats doing real work
                        6) IRL = In Real Life.
                        7) That you would think anyone takes this seriously
                           and post a real reply says more about you than
                           about those posting so-called rants.
                        8) Did I mention I'm getting paid to do this?  :-)
                        9) GOTO 0
                        \_  This is getting more and more hilarious!
2000/2/19-20 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:17572 Activity:nil
2/18    Any idiot can zero the motd.  If you don't like the current motd,
        clean it up and add something worth reading but don't be a d0rk and
        simply wipe it.
2000/2/18 [Computer/SW/Languages/Misc, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:17564 Activity:high
2/18  (Oh and by the way if you delete this again I'm going to write a
      script that adds it right back so stop fucking deleting it already)
      \_ by the way, that is not against policy, in case any kchang
         supporters want to whine.  automatically adding to the motd is
         okay.  automatically munging it is not.  --!aspo
       \_ and where is this "policy" written?
          \_ /csua/adm/doc/policies/motd
             \_ Best quote: "The MOTD may not be used for non-University
                business." Mwahahaha!
2000/2/17 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:17534 Activity:nil
2/16    This is a test. Am wondering when /etc/motd gets updated ...
        \_ When you run 'mtd'
                \_ Wrong. You need to run /csua/bin/motd to update motd.
2000/2/11 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:17486 Activity:moderate
2/11    It's been some time since you've graced the motd with your genius,
        ilyas. Could you condescend to post some musings on a subject
        weighty to the motd? Please, ilyas, enrich us! --ilyas' #2 fan
        \_ ilyas numba two fan, numba one heeeepocrite!
        \_ I too was wondering what had become of Our Lord Of High Logic And
           All Things Correct True And Right.  --ilyas #1 Fan
2000/2/9-10 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:17472 Activity:very high
2/9     Why does it seem like there are a disproportionate number of sys adms
        in csua?
        \_ Informal poll of cs related jobs:

        CSUA Code Monkey:  2
        CSUA Programmer:   1
        CSUA Sys Admin:    1
        CSUA Code Monkey:  3
        CSUA monkey who does not code: 1
        CSUA Sys Admin:    2
        \_ The sysadmins have more free time to goof off on wall/motd.  Coders
           are always under pressure to make the next deadline, fix the next
           bug.
           \_ Uh, aren't we generalizing just a tad? -- CSUA Coder
                \_ No.
                    \_ Idiot.
                        \_ sysadmin.
                           \_ That hurts!
                                \_ Shut up all of you.  Babbling fools.
2000/1/25-26 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd, Recreation/Stripclub] UID:17324 Activity:moderate
1/24    Why does it say "Co-Ed Naked Computing" on the top of MOTD?
        \_ Ask ali.
           \_ actually, I put that there.  -not ali
                \_ If you don't know what ali has to do with it, you
                   know nothing about Co-Ed Naked Computing in the CSUA.
                   \_ Duh, obviously.  "If you have to ask, you don't know!"
                      Oooh, aaaah... how mysterious!!!
2000/1/25-26 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd, Computer/SW/OS/Windows] UID:17323 Activity:high
1/24    HI TREVOR! WE KNOW WHO YOU ARE! -his loyal MOTD fans
        \_ This Trevor guy is something that should go on /. along with all
           of Paolo's tjb posting archives.  Then again, I wouldn't want to
           have this IP slashdotted.
           \_ Speaking of slashdot. Do you really think soda can be slashdoted?
                I wonder if we all just loged out of soda and loged into
                http://slashdot.org, would it just burn and die?
           \_ Yeah.  Think of it: "CS guy acts like total asshole!"  That'd
              sure be a big news flash.
        \_ someone should storm his discussion section with a camera and post
           his face so that all we CSUAers know what he looks like.
           \_ Would be much more fun if everyone showed up
                \_ This is your idea of fun?  What next?  Kook baiting on
                   Sproul?
                   \_ Hey, what's your problem? A week's not complete if
                      you haven't gotten yelled at by Pastor Glen
                        \_ I was thinking more of the students walking by.
2000/1/21 [Computer/Theory, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:17283 Activity:insanely high
1/20    MOTD Poll:
        Trevor Buckingham has been made a TA in Math 55 this semester.
        IF you have been following the prior developments, then do you
        think that:
        a.  Math Dept should be notified of his prior history by any
            individual willing to do so.
        b.  Math Dept should be notified of his prior history by the
            CSUA as the representative body of potentially affected
            students
        c.  Math Dept should not be notified of his prior history.
        This is a serious issue; please withhold ballot stuffing, etc.
        Results will be considered final at noon on Saturday.
          a:  4.5 + i
          b:  2
          c:  2.5 - i
        \_ with a minimum of swearing and ranting, who is this guy?
                                -alum
        \_ The CSUA ought not to get involved, and moreover, if TB
           can teach he should -- being subservient to the teaching
           establishment is hardly a prerequisite for being a good
           teacher. It's well known there is a shortage of even
           minimally competent TAs. And if he does anything too
           grossly out of line, he can be fired; for those who are
           unsympathetic, you might say that he now has a contractual
           obligation to put his money where his mouth is. -brg
        \_ regarding the half votes:  anyone "should" be able to do
           whatever the heck they want, whether it's reporting TB or not,
           but a notice from the CSUA smacks of ASUC Senate opinions,
           and you really don't want anything to do with that do you?
        \_ The CSUA has no business getting involved and can only get
           in trouble doing so.  Just print out paolo's web page
           & last semesters posts and slip them under the prof's
           door.
                \_ How about letting him demonstrate whether or not
                   he can teach?
           \_ This strikes me as a cowardly way to do things.  --pld
        \_ Wow.  I just read that file.  Someday, I hope to have the
           opportunity to reject him as a job applicant.  I wonder if he
           realizes how many people on soda are in such positions in
           industry?
                \_ Go to work in academia (okay, I'm channeling
                   kchang here) and deny soda motd hosers like this
                   guy the chance to reject you as a job applicant.
        \_ He got an A+ in Kahan's class.  That counts for a lot.
        \_ He just seems to be immature.  I don't think that necessarily
           makes him a bad TA.  - mikeym
        \_ This is a good opportunity for some smartass kid to give him a
           taste of his own medicine.
           \_ That would be great, except that given his stunning ability
              to consider other people's points of view, I don't think
              he'll recognize his own medicine.
1999/12/29-2000/1/1 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:17121 Activity:high
12/29   ALUMNI MUST BE REBOOTED!
        \_ MY BUTT DOES NOT DESERVE A WEBSITE
        \_ MY E-MAIL ADDRESS IS NOT http://BUTT.COM
        \_ I WILL NOT XEROX MY BUTT
        \_ I WILL NOT SELL MY KIDNEY ON eBAY
        \_ I WILL NOT CUT CORNERS
           " "    "   "   "
           " "    "   "   "
           " "    "   "   "
        \_ NO ONE CARES WHAT MY DEFINITION OF "IS" IS
        \_ I WON'T NOT USE NO DOUBLE NEGATIVES
        \_ THE TRUTH IS NOT OUT THERE
        \_ I AM NOT THE NEW DALAI LAMA
        \_ THE BOYS ROOM IS NOT A WATER PARK
        \_ MY HOMEWORK WAS NOT STOLEN BY A ONE-ARMED MAN
        \_ I WILL NOT USE THE MOTD TO ARCHIVE BART'S CHALKBOARD WRITINGS
        \_ ALUMNI MUST BE SHOT. And I'm not talking about the machine.
                \_ You plan on never graduating?
                   \_ I plan on not being a total jack ass when I graduate.
                        \_ Yeah, it sure looks like being an alum automatically
                           makes everyone a jack ass.  Uh huh... whatever.
                        \_ huh. You're already a jackass as an undergrad. You'd
                           better start working on that or you'll have to shoot
                           yourself.
        \_ so does yermom
        \_ Keep this shit somewhere else.  This is the CSUA and we have no
           relation to alumni.eecs.
        \_ Send mail to jon.  He'll love you forever and ever.
        \_ try posting again when you've made it past your twelfth birthday.
           maybe by then your pathetic naivete won't show so much.  Oh, and
           perhaps a quick lession in using the dictionary might be in order
           so you can look up Alumni, fuckwit.
                \_ Send mail about alumni to jon and he's liable to drop the
                   machine on your doorstep with a note telling you what you
                   can do with the damn thing.  Just give up already and
                   forget about the machine - it has nothing that soda can't
                   give you much faster and more reliably.
1999/12/27-30 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:17104 Activity:nil
12.28   Let me ask this before someone restores the motd:
        where's a good, but inexpensive place to buy a sportcoat
        around here?  (No i dont' feel like going to nordstroms =P)
        \_ Motd restored.  It didn't take rocket science to merge the two.
        \_ Men's Wearhouse in Emeryville by Tower Records and Trader Joe's.
           \_ Men's Wearhouse on 19th st. in Oakland is lots easier to get
              to if you're not driving.  (Near BART and many buses.)
        \_ Burlington Coat Factory usually has pretty awesome deals.  -John
1999/12/23-27 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:17094 Activity:high
12/22   I know the motd is not normally a place to say anything remotely
        serious, but this seems pretty important to me.  There is a petition
                                        -aspo
        \_ I'm glad it was so important to you that you found it worth wiping
           the rest of the motd.  I find your little petition so utterly
           stupid and unimportant that I found it worth wiping the rest of
           your pathetic plea.  Welcome to the motd, asshole, now go home.
           \_ He didn't erase the rest of the motd fuckhead.  Someone else
                nuked it and he just restored his message.  Get a grip.
                \_ I've been here probably longer than you have.  Now fuck off,
                   get half a clue, and go away.   -aspo
                     \_ uh, what happened?
                        \_ Aspo has been Soda's resident expert on sodomy for
                           years - ever since tom scared benco away.
                           \_ Wasn't it necro-sodomy?  And since when is being
                              on soda a long time a good thing?  I've been
                              around a few years longer than aspo but I don't
                              spout off about it as something to be proud of.
                              It isn't.  I'm simply older.
                                \_ yah but someone said welcome to the motd,
                                   now go away.  I've been here long enough
                                   thank you.  Get used to it.  -aspo
                \_Chill.
                  \_ Yeah, no shit.  Take it easy, it's the holidays.
                                   \_ Is that a threat?  Get used to it?  I
                                      don't see anything to get used to.  You're
                                      just another motd twit with a big mouth,
                                      a closed mind, and a bad attitude.  I was
                                      used to that long before you came along.
                                      Really, you're nothing new.  Get used to
                                      it.  <insert yawn here>
           \_ and for all those who don't have the brains of a pissant, go
              check out <DEAD>www.samesexmarraige.org<DEAD> and then fill out
              /tmp/csua/petiton.pdf and mail it in.  Get this on the ballot.
                                                -aspo
                \_ Uh oh, "brains of a pissant" for anyone who dares to hold
                   a different view from the ultra loony liberal left.  Yeah,
                   way to go!  That sort of talk will really bring em around
                   to your way of thinking!  How about instead of smearing your
                   predetermined politically correct noise all over, you
                           wiped the motd to put up my plee.
                           \_ "plea"  Been to college yet?  Or HS?
                   attempt to explain why same sex marriages should exist?  I
                   doubt you can do it without resorting to various forms of
                   personal attack as this is just your personal feelings and
                   beliefs based not on a true sense of justice or the law or
                   fairness or anything else that others might find
                   convincing unless they already held your beliefs.  Anyway,
                   just because it's on the ballot doesn't mean it will become
                   law.  I think you'll find the 80/20 vote against this a bit
                   eye opening if it makes the ballot.  -registered voter
                        \_ no the brains of a pissant is for thinking I
                           wiped the motd to put up my plea.
                           \_ Nice to see you're with it enough to learn to
                              spell a simple word like "plea" with some help.
                        \_ Your intense hatred makes you overestimate the
                           amount of hatred in the general population.
                           Recent surveys show a majority of Californians
                           support domestic partner benefits for gays and
                           only ~50% support the Knight Initiative - far
                           lower than your 80%.
                           \_ I don't hate anything.  Go hang your little lefty
                              labels elsewhere.  I have tremendous disdain and
                              disregard for those who go into hysterics about
                              their 'rights' without any thought for anything
                              or anyone else.  What surveys are these?  And
                              were they of "likely voters" or random people on
                              the street who only have a 1 in 5 chance of being
                              a voter?  It's usually the latter.  Go ahead, put
                              it on the ballot.  No fear.  -always votes
                                \_ hey!  some of my friends are black!
                                   \_ That's nice.  That has nothing to do with
                                      the price of apples in Japan.
1999/12/9-10 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:17044 Activity:kinda low
12/8    Are there any more CSUA "got mips?" T-shirts, like Dan was showing
        off at the general meeting? --Galen
        \_  Yes, last time I looked.  I think there about 20+ left.  --PeterM
        \_ They would have sold much better if the words "Undergrad assoc."
           were left OUT of the back.  I.e.: front says: Got Mips? and the
           back SHOULD've said: Berkeley Computer Science.  It's all about
           marketing the product.
           back SHOULD've said: Berkeley Computer Science. Someone needs to
           take a marketing class. =P
        \_ Thank you Mr. Anonymous Marketing coward.  We'll be sure to consult
           the motd for your advice before producing any future t-shirts.  If
           we wanted CS department t-shirts, we'd make CS department t-shirts.
           Seeing as these are CSUA shirts, it makes sense that they say CSUA.
           -dans
        \_ who should we be contacting if we want to buy a shirt?  -oj
           \_ contact dans@csua, alternatively, you can come by
              the office (343 soda) and buy one. - paolo
1999/12/6-7 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:17015 Activity:high 66%like:17010
12/5    When are soda accounts turned off?
        \_ The day after finals.
          \_ Why the _FUCK_ are you asking this on the Soda motd?  Cripes,
             get a cl00.  --sowings
        \_ Have you tried reading the login messages on your class account
                or <DEAD>www-inst.eecs<DEAD> ?
        \_ never if you mean "csua.soda" ones, but i think you mean "class"
           accts.  see above.
                \_ Correction: your soda account can be shut down for
                   various reasons, all of which are in the various
                   policy docs under /csua/share and /csua/adm -- but
                   soda accounts do not have any built-in time limits.
                   -brg
                   \_ You mean my account isn't automatically shutoff when I
                      get enough Twink Points from the Twink God????
                      \_ No, but Your English sure soundsdumb.  Maybe you
                         should English Classes and learn how to writeit???
                         \_ You're hypocrticalness iz shownig everyne that
                            Your just stupid and my english wuz better then
                            You'rez so you just shutup.  In fact, my English
                            was perfect.  Please check with your 3rd grade
                            teacher before posting on the motd about someone
                            else's spelling, grammar, or syntax.  Thanks.
                            Play again, Yes/no?  Insert coin to continue....
1999/11/30-12/1 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:16971 Activity:high
 11/31   Right. So basically I went to the ASUC meeting.  I'm suppoesd to
        inform any active csua members that if they are suspicsious of
        any cult activity of this student group, then there is a Cult
        Awerness Officer which the CAL/SAS has that will investigate any
        Cult Activity.  There.  I've told you. - paolo
        \_ Dude, my cousin's wedding was in a Clam building.
        \_ does anyone else see the irony of Sodans talking about cults?
                \_ No.  Please explain.
           \_ I am a Sodan of the Third Wheel.  Are you in need of a Squishing?
        \_ What is the definition of a cult?  Aren't pretty much all
           religions cults?  For example, what would you call a group
           of people who get together and pretend to drink their ex-leaders
           blood and eat his body?  The same group also think that their
           current leader talks directly to their God.  Would you call
           this group a Cult or would you call them Catholics?  Are the
           ASUC going to investigate all the religious groups on campus?
           \_ I would call them orthodox catholic and therefore not a cult.
           \_ If it's big then it must be true.  If it's small it must be a
              Satan spawned cult until it grows big at which point it must be
              true.
        \_ There's one on the corner of Dana and Haste.  They call themselves
           a religious co-op.  Co-op my ass.  I got invited to dinner by
           them.  They were preaching to me to join their fucked up little
           world.  Damn fools need a beating.  They keep following me around
           on campus.
           \_ Why would you go to a free dinner at a bible meeting?  What the
              fuck did you think was going to happen?  Free sex and drugs?  I
              have zero sympathy for your dumb ass.
              \_ who said i accepted the dinner you dumbshit?
                \_ maybe you should with that curse'd tongue of yours-Ma Teresa
           \_ i used to have a couple freinds there.  if you ignore their
              crazy religious crap, it is actually a very functional co-op.
              after living in the USCA, i would have to say that except
              for the religion, the usca could learn alot from them about
              how to run good student housing at reasonable prices and
              have everyone actually do their share.  this pattern can
              be seen throughout history: the only people who can make
              crazy experiments in communal living actually work are religious
              nuts.  eg amana, oneida, the shakers etc.
        \_ also no hazing.  I don't know if a requirement of a knowledge
           of unix can be classified as hazing (I mean they had some pretty
           broad definitions in the packet (yes there's a 15 pg packet)
           all of which are completely subjective (with words like
           "personal" "degredation" "humiliation").  I suppose then it's
           good that most people turn off the motd  and don't wall because
           i think that may be classified as hazing.  So people, don't haze!
        \_ I want to be the first to go on record that I tihnk the csua has
           definate cult activity.  Hell, I'll even go so far as to call it
           Cult Activity.  IS the Cult Awareness Officer required to justify
           his or her capital letters and investigate now? -aspo
           \_ Arrgghh. Look, I'm _required_ to report to the CAO if
              any current member suspects cult activity.  I don't want to
              do that.
              \_ all those capitals!  Think of it!  What exactly happens if
                 they investigate? -aspo
                 \_ They execute obnoxious assholes like you I think.  It was
                    somewhere in the back of the 15 pages.
                    \_ even better -aspo
                    \_ alas no, remember this is berkeley, home of the PC
        and the "convenience free" zone.  So if anything, they'll just make
        life hard for the csua, alums and undergrads alike, something i don't
        think anyone here wants. - paolo
        \_ Nov 31?  Nov 30?  Are we getting ahead of ourselves? (its Nov 29)
           \_ When they say, "The plane is on fire, the engine is dead, we're
              all going to die!" Do you say, "What color is my luggage?"
              - alum
                \_ Yes.  I like to know that I'm going out in style.
           \_ Not to mention there is no Nov 31.
        \_ CalLUG is definitely a cult.  I insist you report them immediately
           Paolo.  Maybe that will keep your moronic ass out of our hair.

        World-Wide Web Access Statistics for the Unification Home Page at <DEAD>www.cais.com<DEAD>
        [deleted for being totally pointless and context free]
1999/11/29-12/1 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:16964 Activity:moderate
11/28   Where can I find archives of the motd?
        \_ use linux. ride bike. problem solved.
           \_ U53 W1ND0Z3 MAN. W1N98 15 50 KRAD. 1T CAN RUN 3V3RYTH1N6
              THAT L1NUX CANT MAN. SO USE W1ND0Z3 CUZ 1T5 C00L
        \_ ~mehlhaff/tmp/motd,v
          \_ of course you need to know how to use RCS to read it.  check
              out 'man co', and 'man rlog'. -mehlhaff
                \_ Nah.  I usually read it with less.  But then I also usually
                   read the Solaris source by using less to view the SCCS
                   history files too.  -alan-
1999/11/25-27 [Reference/Religion, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:16953 Activity:high
11/25   Today I give thanks that I am not a h0zer.
        \_ It's TG and you're writing on the motd.  Thus, you are a h0zer.
           And a lamer as well.
           \_ "Lest he without sin cast the first stone...."
           \_ "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone...."
                \_ Duh, gee whiz you're clever.  I never claimed not to be a
                   h0zer or lamer.  I also didn't go on the motd to proclaim
                   it.  Also, you're misquoting the Bible.  If you're going to
                   bother quoting garbage at least quote it properly.
                   \_ Who said it was a quote from the Bible, lamer?
                        \_ Of course it's a Bible quote.  Don't even try to
                           pretend you didn't fuck up the Bible quote.  Don't
                           try to go there.  This isn't 3rd grade anymore.
        \_ Today I give thanks that my account has not been sorried.

all pre-tg crap removed.
                \_ Tom?
1999/11/20 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:16931 Activity:moderate
11/20   Proposed letter: "Dear Mr. Buckingham - we in the CSUA have
        noticed your extremely adept use of the english language and
        the usenet forum.  We would like to invite you to join
        the CSUA, so that you can impart your wisdom directly to us
        on our highly esteemed public forum, the motd.  Please stop
        by XXX Soda, and take advantage of this honor."
        \_ Yes!  I simply must have more Wisdom From Da H00d!
        \_ Oh no. Another kchang??
        \_ you guys are giving this guy way too much mind share
1999/11/16 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:16901 Activity:nil
11/16   Where is Tom Holub? motd is getting big. If he was still around,
        he would be actively mowing the motd already.
1999/10/21-22 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:16746 Activity:very high
10/21   Hypothetical question:

        If you replaced /etc/motd.public with a core file can you
        get sorried?

                     __/~*##$%@@@******~\-__
                   /f=r/~_-~ _-_ --_.^-~--\=b\
                 4fF / */  .o  ._-__.__/~-. \*R\
                /fF./  . /- /' /|/|  \_  * *\ *\R\
               (iC.I+ '| - *-/00  |-  \  )  ) )|RB
               (I| (  [  / -|/^^\ |   )  /_/ | *)B
               (I(. \ `` \   \m_m_|~__/ )_ .-~ F/
                \b\\=_.\_b`-+-~x-_/ .. ,._/ , F/
                 ~\_\= =  =-*###%#x==-#  *=- =/
                    ~\**U/~  | i i | ~~~\===~
                            | I I \\
                           / // i\ \\
                      (   [ (( I@) )))  )
                           \_\_VYVU_/
                             || * |
                             | *  *\
                            /* /I\ *~~\
                          /~-/*  / \ \ ~~M~\
                ____----=~ // /WVW\* \|\ ***===--___
                \_ Nuclear launch detected.
                \_ Is there a way to replace segmentation fault message with
                   this ascii pic?
                   \_ yes.
        \_ Ask yourself: is a core file a useful and informative message of
           the day?  Does it add value to anyone's soda experience?  Or is it
           just a desperate act of a squishable little prick?  This isn't a
           hypothetical question.  It's a rhetorical question.
           \_ By that definition, everyone should've been squished by now.
              Of course, some things are more squishable than others.
                \_ There's a huge difference between someone adding content
                   you think has zero quality and someone linking a binary
                   which has zero quality for everyone including the poster.
                   Only someone far too stupid to edit the motd would believe
                   a binary has content value to anyone.  It's rhetorical.

                     __/~*##$%@@@******~\-__
                   /f=r/~_-~ _-_ --_.^-~--\=b\
                 4fF / */  .o  ._-__.__/~-. \*R\
                /fF./  . /- /' /|/|  \_  * *\ *\R\
                    ~\**U/~  | i i | ~~~\===~
                            | I I \\
               (iC.I+ '| - *-/00  |-  \  )  ) )|RB
               (I| (  [  / -|/^^\ |   )  /_/ | *)B
               (I(. \ `` \   \m_m_|~__/ )_ .-~ F/
                \b\\=_.\_b`-+-~x-_/ .. ,._/ , F/
                             | *  *\
                            /* /I\ *~~\
                 ~\_\= =  =-*###%#x==-#  *=- =/
                ____----=~ // /WVW\* \|\ ***===--___
                    ~\**U/~  | i i | ~~~\===~          You know, wee totoro
                            | I I \\                   do not appreciate this.
                           / // i\ \\
                      (   [ (( I@) )))  )                   /
                           \_\_VYVU_/
                             || * |                   |\|\
                            /* /I\ *~~\               |  OO\
                          /~-/*  / \ \ ~~M~\          | /^^\|
                ____----=~ // /WVW\* \|\ ***===--___  |_m_m/
                \_ Nuclear launch detected.
                \_ Is there a way to replace segmentation fault message with
                   this ascii pic?
                   \_ yes.
                   \_ signal(SIGSEGV, printnuke());
1999/10/9-11 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:16680 Activity:moderate
10/8    mangled motd entries deleted.  you're not funny you twit. stop
        rearranging things.  hasn't someone narrowed the search down
        yet?  post their logins.  it's lynching time.
        \_ Yeah, we just finished tracking down the hoser in question.
           We'll squish him as soon as we get around to it.  --root
        \_ Ok, we tracked him down: it was dickylee.  Squished.  --root
           \_ squish squish squish!
           \_ FREE DICK!
                \_ Unconfirmed reports that it wasn't dickylee -- he was
                        just having terminal emulation problems. The real
                        motd-mangler is still out there....
1999/10/7-11 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd, Consumer/TV] UID:16675 Activity:moderate
10/7    Is there a projector that can display standard video signal as well as
        35mm slides?
        \_ Probably.
          \_ can you give more information or url?  How is a projector
             that projects video signal to a (cloth/paper) screen called?
             Projection TV??
                \_ No. How?  You mean "what", don't you?  "Projection TV??" is
                   not a valid sentence.  It lacks any form of structure or
                   verb phrase.  My reply is:  Green Envelopes
                   \_ "Green Envelopes" is not a valid sentence. Or if it
                      includes "My reply is:", then you forgot a period at
                      the end.
                \_ he doesn't have more information or a url.  you ask a
                   question that's way too open-ended, and you'll get a flip
                   response.  that's just how it works on the motd.
        \_ Why do you want such a thing?  Just get a normal video projector
           and a normal slide projector . . . when you want to show video,
           have the slide projector show a black slide, and vice-versa.  Sure,
           you don't get the cool all-in-oneness of an integrated solution,
           but you probably save big money *and* get better quality.
        \_ All is encrypted using 3DES
           the front of it and have it go to a white screen when you hit the
           homemade slide button on your new fancy remote control that has
           the video remote taped to the slide carosel remote taped to your
           toggle button (described already).  Have fun!
           Or you could just buy one of each and point them at the same screen.
           Or you could use a computer with a video out and do it all using
        \_ if you use a normal video projector you can rig a slide holder to
           Can't we squish him....maybe an AI program that determines the
           score of a motd entry and squishes the writter as they save the
           motd.public from their editor which has the uid of who is running
           it in the env.  On a scale of 0 to 9 any score below a 7 will get
           squished - 7s will be warned of undesired actions, and 8s and 9s
           will go free.
           any one of a number of programs.  Hmm, why do twits get accounts.
              \_ Did writing that give you a big ego boost?
                \_ No, but it makes you a twit. =D
                \_ Don't forget to mention that it isn't a real sentence.
                   It doesn't have a period at the end.
                   \_ lol, are you a girl<period less>
                   \_ Uhm, okay.
           \_ and people who write dumb shit like this would be taken out
              and beaten to death as the crowds cheer?
           \_ You are such a twit
              \_ ah, the perils of walling ... where the nefarious can take
                 your comments and make it sound more stupid on a motd
1999/10/1-4 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:16645 Activity:moderate
9/30    Accidentally typed pin instead of pine.  What exactly does it do?
        no man pages available.
        \_ It's a stupid csua annoyance for anyone who typos any of several
           common commands that start with 'pin' such as ping and pine.  It
           might also possibly mark you as a pinhead to the low grade morons
           who write such crap and stick it in default path location.  Maybe
           they find it funny.  Maybe they find yermom jokes funny, too. Maybe
           they think it gives the csua character or something.  I dunno.
        \_ Check out http://www.dinkumware.com
           \_ Dikumware releases only the STL, no hash_table.
           I know they provide an STL implementation, so they may provide
        /csua/bin/pin
           believe they're free source though. -dans
           \_ Dikumware releases only the STL, no hash_table.
        soda ~ > which pin
                \_ Thats Viviana, dumbass. Go see Admiral Krag.
        soda ~ > ll /csua/bin/pin
                   \_ no, it's Vyvvian you bastard, Go see Neil Edmondson
                      in "The Young Ones"
        -rwxr-xr-x  1 danh  contrib  102 Sep 16 20:09 /csua/bin/wal*
        lrwxrwxrwx  1 danh  contrib  3 Sep 14 16:29 /csua/bin/pin@ -> wal
                        \_ "Why do I always have to cook the lentils?"
        \_ It marks you forever as a pinhead.

now     Script munged motd blasted.  Thank you for playing.
        soda ~ > file /csua/bin/wal
        /csua/bin/wal: ASCII text
        soda ~ > ll /csua/bin/wal
        \_ Should add: Turkey earthquake: 7.6, killed 15,000 people.
        /csua/bin/wall y 2>&1 > /dev/null
        /csua/bin/wal: ASCII text
        \_
        soda ~ > cat /csua/bin/wal
        soda ~ > which pin
        /usr/games/fortune /csua/lib/olestra/ll-lyrics.txt | /csua/bin/wall
        \_ which is a long way of saying 'you are forever identified as a
           pinhead'
           \_ what is /csua/bin/rootshell?  It seems to be a perl script
              SIUD root.
        \_ in case no one spelled out it for you, read the fucking source.
           \_ Source?  It's a stupid 2 line script.  I wouldn't call that
              'source'.  It isn't even smart enough to check your current
              wall status and set it back if you're not normally reading
              the wall.  It's a stupid hyuck hyuck moron script.
        soda ~ > file /csua/bin/wal
        /csua/bin/wal: ASCII text
        /csua/bin/pin
        lrwxrwxrwx  1 danh  contrib  3 Sep 14 16:29 /csua/bin/pin@ -> wal
        soda ~ > ll /csua/bin/pin
        soda ~ > ll /csua/bin/wal
        -rwxr-xr-x  1 danh  contrib  102 Sep 16 20:09 /csua/bin/wal*
        soda ~ > cat /csua/bin/wal
        /usr/games/fortune /csua/lib/olestra/ll-lyrics.txt | /csua/bin/wall
        /csua/bin/wall y 2>&1 > /dev/null
1999/9/28 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:16618 Activity:nil
9/27    Oh gosh!  You didn't like the motd, so you wiped it?  All of it?
        Next time just try 'touch ~/.hushlogin'.  The motd is optional.
        You don't have to read it if you don't want to.  Some of us do.
        Here's the motd you wiped out for no particular reason.
1999/9/27-28 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:16607 Activity:high
9/27    When's the next pburo meeting?  The web's info is two weeks stale!
        \_ shut the fuck UP, cmlee.  -tom
            \_ shut the fuck UP, tom.  -!cmlee
            \_ I see nothing wrong with people wanting to get involved and
               asking when the next meeting is.  Tom has forgotten this isn't
               his personal playpen and some of us want to be a part of
               something bigger than tom's wall rants and motd noise.
                \_ SHUT THE FUCK UP, CMLEE
                   \_ Uh, *not* cmlee.  Cmlee isn't the only person Tom has
                      problems with.  In fact, Tom has deep seated and very
                      generalized socialization problems which are far worse
                      than his idiotic spat with cmlee.  Tom, seek help.  I
                      suggest something simple at first such as, "How to win
                      friends and influence people".  You won't win any friends
                      with it, but maybe you'll see why you're so unlikable.
                \_ you mean "how to win friends who are complete fucking
                   morons like this asshole who's too much of a fucking wimp
                   to sign his name to his insults, and influence idiots who
                   make psychological diagnoses about people they've never
                   met."  -tom
                      \_ I'd go with "How to talk dirty and influence people"
                         I'm sure it is a much better read. -aspo
                         \_ I'm sure you would.
        \_ wall != csua != politburo.  Those interested in the piddly
           dealings of politburo can go away.
           \_ Uhm... ok whatever.  So the csua motd isn't a good place to ask
              about the timing of the csua politburo meeting?  Where can I get
              some of whatever you're smoking?
1999/9/23-24 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:16580 Activity:high
1/1     whoever is restoring the motd, don't do it! I want a clean login
        window for god's sake! reading the motd makes me sick! come on,
        we are all Berkeley grad's have nothing to at work but to nuke
        the motd!!
        \_ touch $HOME/.hushlogin
        \_ Hey nimrod, it's the first day of autumn, not the first day of the
           year.
           \_ You just need to readjust your paradigms.
        \_ it is?
1999/9/23 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:16579 Activity:high
1/1     Motd exterminated!
        \_ Hey nimrod, it's the first day of autumn, not the first day of the
           year.
           \_ You just need to readjust your paradigms.
        \_ it is?
1999/9/23 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:16575 Activity:high
9/24    thanks to the asshole who has been rearranging the motd,
        the motd is now dead.
        \_ One day, hopefully, the idiot will look back and wonder why they
           thought it was so funny at the time.  Unfortunately for the rest
           of us, that day isn't here yet.
1999/9/22 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:16568 Activity:high
9/22    Does anyone know how I can restrict access to my home page?
        ie, the user will be greeted with a simple password, if its right
        they will get in, if not, it won't show anything. Yes this is
        the CSUA home page. thx.
        \_ man www
           \_ This is really a great man. Thanks to whoever wrote it.

the     motd still rearranging Whoever's 9/22.  it do Don't.  Really.
        \_ I'v3 a1mos7 go7 i7 nai13d.  B37w33n som3 diffs, som3 p3r1, and
           som3 o7h3r s7uff, I'11 hav3 i7 narrow3d pr377y quick.  I'v3 go7
           i7 down 7o abou7 15 po73n7ia1 squishab13 pricks righ7 now.
           \_ isn't a possibility that whenever you are in motdedit, and you
              save, you overwrite changes last made since you opened the
              editor? that's not quite intentional censorship.
                \_ No.  I7 isn'7 an accid3n7.  I7's v3ry c13ar som3 1i7713
                   soon-7o-b3-squish3d prick is in73n7iona11y r3-arranging
                   r3p1i3s.  Th3 1ong3r 7h3y con7inu3 and 7h3 mor3 of73n 7h3y
                   do i7, 7h3 3asi3r 7h3y'11 b3 7o ca7ch and I'11 hav3 1ogs
                   7o prov3 i7.  By3 by3 csua accoun7 af73r 7ha7, I'm sur3.
                  \_ i think the motd needs the eye of argon again --oj
        \_ we're not talking about censorship, we're talking about moving
           the replies around, which some nimrod has been doing
        \_ I'll bet that the Chinese government is involved somehow.
           \_ No.  It's that the CSUA legal system is fucked.  I came over
              here to make money and have no fear/respect of the Politburo.
              I can rearrange the motd without fear in the CSUA.  In China,
              I'd be imprisoned for life or shot for this.
              \_ That's what kchang thought, too.  AND WHERE IS HE TODAY,
                 SMARTY-BOY????
                        \_ If we're lucky, under a pile of rubble in Taiwan.
1999/9/22 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:16567 Activity:nil 60%like:16566
the     motd still rearranging Whoever's 9/22.  it do Don't.  Really.
        \_ I've almost got it nailed.  Between some diffs, some perl, and
           some other stuff, I'll have it narrowed pretty quick.  I've got
           it down to about 15 potential squishable pricks right now.
           \_ isn't a possibility that whenever you are in motdedit, and you
              save, you overwrite changes last made since you opened the
              editor? that's not quite intentional censorship.
                \_ No.  It isn't an accident.  It's very clear some little
                   soon-to-be-squished prick is intentionally re-arranging
                   replies.  The longer they continue and the more often they
                   do it, the easier they'll be to catch and I'll have logs
                   to prove it.  Bye bye csua account after that, I'm sure.
                  \_ i think the motd needs the eye of argon again --oj
        \_ we're not talking about censorship, we're talking about moving
           the replies around, which some nimrod has been doing
        \_ I'll bet that the Chinese government is involved somehow.
           \_ No.  It's that the CSUA legal system is fucked.  I came over
              here to make money and have no fear/respect of the Politburo.
              I can rearrange the motd without fear in the CSUA.  In China,
              I'd be imprisoned for life or shot for this.
              \_ That's what kchang thought, too.  AND WHERE IS HE TODAY,
                 SMARTY-BOY????
1999/9/22-24 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:16566 Activity:high 60%like:16567
9/22    Whoever's still rearranging the motd.  Don't do it.  Really.
        \_ I've almost got it nailed.  Between some diffs, some perl, and
           some other stuff, I'll have it narrowed pretty quick.  I've got
           it down to about 15 potential squishable pricks right now.
           \_ isn't a possibility that whenever you are in motdedit, and you
              save, you overwrite changes last made since you opened the
              editor? that's not quite intentional censorship.
        \_ we're not talking about censorship, we're talking about moving
           the replies around, which some nimrod has been doing
        \_ Why don't we just have the motd go away?  Maybe that would
           force people to make sense.
        \_ I'll bet that the Chinese government is involved somehow.
           \_ No.  It's that the CSUA legal system is fucked.  I came over
              here to make money and have no fear/respect of the Politburo.
              I can rearrange the motd without fear in the CSUA.  In China,
              I'd be imprisoned for life or shot for this.
              \_ That's what kchang thought, too.  AND WHERE IS HE TODAY,
                 SMARTY-BOY????
                 \_ http://www.cs/~kchang
                        \_ If we're lucky, under a pile of rubble in Taiwan.
1999/9/16-17 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:16533 Activity:nil 70%like:16530
9/16    So is someone intentionally mixing questions vs. answers on the
        motd, or is some program doing it?
        [_ either way, it's stupidly pathetic.  didn't kchang get his dumb ass
           squished for running scripts on the motd?
        \_ I personally think the motd should be Jeapordy style.  Someone
           should post the answer and someone has to ask the question.
           That would limit each thread to only two entries.
           \_ Just *two* entries?  What if, for example, I post "yermom"?
              That's a one-word answer to a *lot* of questions . . .
              \_ For example: "What answer has no originality, has the
                 humor level of a high school student, and if you think
                 about it, makes me look pathetic to want sex with a
                 middle-aged woman?"
        \_ are you intentionally putting wrong dates or is a program doing it?
           \_ No, that was a simple brain fart.
1999/9/16 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:16530 Activity:very high 70%like:16533
9/15    So is someone intentionally mixing questions vs. answers on the
        motd, or is some program doing it?
        \_ I personally think the motd should be Jeapordy style.  Someone
           should post the answer and someone has the ask the question.
           should post the answer and someone has to ask the question.
           That would limit each thread to only two entries.
           \_ Just *two* entries?  What if, for example, I post "yermom"?
              That's a one-word answer to a *lot* of questions . . .
              \_ For example: "What answer has no originality, has the
                 humor level of a high school student, and if you think
                 about it, makes me look pathetic to want sex with a
                 middle-aged woman?"
        \_ are you intentionally putting wrong dates or is a program doing it?
           \_ No, that was a simple brain fart.
1999/9/10-13 [Computer/SW/Apps, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:16498 Activity:moderate
9/10    Dear Motd, please squish tom. Thank you.
        \_ Don't squish tom.  As the Chief Fanatic and Know Nothing, Tom's
           loss would be mourned by all clear thinking people with the
           healthy sense of humor required to enjoy Tom's little rants and
           to see Tom for what he is.  -not tom but amused by him
        \_ T0M RUL3Z D00DZ! H3 15 3L33T & W1LL 5QU15H U!
           \_ Ye who underestimates the power of the MOTD will suffer its
              wrath!!  -motd.deamon
        \_ the motd does not have the authority to squish tom
        \_ handle?  what does handle mean?  you want to see the content from
           your mail reader or just save it to a file as a regular excel file?
           saving is easy, use procmail or slocal.
           \_ umm, the former which I thought was obvious -- hence the
              catdoc hint.  But you are so smart I guess you missed that.
              Do you know the answer?
                \_ I don't take hints for help on the motd.  It is your
                   responsibility to explain exactly what you need and mean.
                   Yes, I know how to do what you're asking for excel files
                   that are a single sheet.  I don't know how to do multi
                   sheet files which reference each other's cells.
1999/9/9-10 [Computer/Networking, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:16485 Activity:kinda low
9/8     How do reverse name lookups work. CSUA has the IP addess
        128.32.43.52. So the <DEAD>ns1.berkeley.edu<DEAD> servers have an entry like
        52.43.32.128.IN-ADDR.ARPA IN PTR http://soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU
        but if I'm doing a revers lookup from say MIT how would it pull
        out that resource record from the Berkeley nameserver?
        (As in, how would it know to look at Berkeley's name server)
        \_ Same way it does for http://berkeley.edu - it asks the root nameservers
           "Who should I ask for info about the 32.128.IN-ADDR.ARPA domain?"
           and they return the list of nameservers it's delegated to.
           \_ But that's assuming that you're using strictly class A, B,
              or C addresses.  Many sites are classless (CIDR).
                \_ Still works basically the same.  Start at the top and
                        ask your way down the list.  Read the OReilley
                        BIND book if you want to know the details, since
                        there are far too many to discuss in the motd.
                \_ Unfortunately, BIND still is pretty much classful in
                   in-addr delegation.  It can only delegate on octet
                   boundaries.
             \_ 32.128.IN-ADDR.ARPA is just another domain, and can have
                CNAMES in it as well.  use your imagination.
                                                \_ ooh la-la!
1999/9/8-10 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:16481 Activity:high
9/8     Next Politburo Meeting is Monday, Sept 13th, 7:00 pm, 337 Soda.
        You are invited to discuss lwall censorship.  Is censoring
        lwall an appropriate action for the politburo?  You decide.
        -- nickkral
        \_ is calling nickkral an idiot an approriate action?  shit yeah. -tom
        \_ So we can buy beers for the politburo that squished kchang
           off lwall? I'm so there!
        \_ Yes.  Now fuck off.  I've decided.  Thanks for the opportunity.
            \_ quit being a dick Tom.  And sign your motd entry.
                \_ why don't you, nickkral?  -tom
                \_ I'm not Tom and the lwall non-issue is stupid.  Go fuck
                   yourself.  -not tom
                   \_ oh yes you are..you major fucking twink.
                        \_ Not only am I not tom, I actively dislike tom b/c
                           he's an overly self important asshole, like you.
                \_ tom always signs.  #1 Tom Fan!!!
        \_ What's "troller"?  Thanks.
           \_ You're a troller.
1999/9/7-8 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:16475 Activity:high
motd cleansed
\_ wow. much like serbia.
\_ welcome to censorship, anarchy style.
1999/9/6 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:16472 Activity:very high
9/5     Welcome to http://soda.csua.berkeley.edu.  Property of the ASUC.
         The CSUA reserves the right to act like total jackasses.
         \_ Quick logical inference for ya:
            Only people with soda accounts can post to soda's motd.
            All people with soda accounts are CSUA members.
            Therefore, YOU are a CSUA member.
            This is where it gets a little uncertain, are you calling yourself
            a jackass, or simply reserving your right to be one?  Tell ya what,
            let's drop the issue entirely, I'll just call ya a twink.
         \_ Dude, everyone in Berkeley is a total jackass.  What's your
            point?
        \_ fuck off nickkral and sign yer name. ---lwall
          \_ I didn't write any of this.  -- nickkral
        \_ and so?  This machine is not property of the ASUC.  get
           your facts straight kralebitch.
                \_ Who do you think owns it?  Who do you think issued the
                   donation receipts for all the alums who donated?
                   \_ well, not that I myself would know anything, but
                      ASUC officials have confirmed several times in
                      the past that as far as they are concerned,
                      soda.csua and it's brethren are for the CSUA
                      to do with as the CSUA pleases as long as we
                      abide by the usual campus regulations about
                      our constitution and using it for commercial
                      (as opposed to fund raising) activity and the
                      like.  Who do you think owns the OCF machines or the
                      CalLUG machines?  It's a CSUA machine through
                      and through. --Jon Oh and sign your name twink.
                        \_ Legally the ASUC owns the OCF machines, which
                           is why we engrave them "Property of the ASUC."
                           No, the ASUC isn't going to take them away,
                           but they could if they wanted to.
                                -alan-
                        \_ The csua cant own anything.  They don't exist
                                as a legal entitry.
                Wrong again twink-boy!  The CSUA as a legal entity _/
                (with a bank account, etc.) predates ASUC!
                \_ Who cares?  Why do any of you give a shit?  -apathetic
                \_ The CSUA incorporated?  Just because some twink opened
                   an account with their SSN and the CSUA's name, does not
                   make the CSUA a legal entity.
        \_ CSUA UBER ALLES!  HKN IST CSUA!  ASUC IST CSUA!  CS DEPT IST
           CSUA!! UCSEE IST CSUA!  LIEBENSCRAUM! HEUTE DIE WELT, MONNEN
           DAS SONNENSYSTEM!  SIEG HEIL!  HEIL CSUA!  HEIL MIKEH!
           - nickkral
           \_ It's "liebensraum", du Quatschkoph. --Jon
1999/9/2 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:16449 Activity:nil
9/2     Asshole, don't erase the whole motd.  There's plenty of decent stuff
        on here.  Motd restored.
1999/8/29-31 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:16425 Activity:high
8/28    Every once in a while, emails in my pine that come from @csua people
        have "holes" in them.  That is, in the inbox listing, there are blanks
        where there would normally be the from, subject, size, etc. info.
        But the actual email content is still there.  Help!  What's going on?
        \_ The problem is you're using the wrong mail client.
        \_ ED! ED! ED IS THE STANDARD!   MAIL READER!
        \_ /bin/cat $MAIL
        \_ ~tmonroe/bin/one-true-mail-reader
        \_ ~tmonroe/bin/<*CENSORED*>
                        \_ Get a life.
                           that's ~tmonroe/bin/one-true-mail-reader
                           that's ~tmonroe/bin/<*CENSORED*>
                           PO Box 9452
                           Golden, CO 57643
                           \_ NO! - defender of newbies
           [dangerous bullshit deleted. it was cruel and stupid to post it in
            the first place.  yes, I plan to keep deleting this until this
            entire thread is removed by others.]
            \_newbies, don't try this. whoever wrote that line is malicious and
              should be ashamed of him/her/itself.
              \_ anyone who tries a command line posted to the motd without
                 finding out what it does first deserves whatever they get.
                \_ no.  this is what being a newbie is all about.  by their
                   nature as newbie's, they don't know any better.  this is
                   a perfectly appropriate warning. you need to dump the 'tude.
                \_ the person who put the evil command in the motd is laughing
                   at you now
        \_ I wonder if this is related to the thing where email
           with the return address of http://csua.berkeley.edu is changed
           to http://CSUA.Berkeley.EDU somewhere after the message is sent?
                \_ uh, no.
1999/8/25 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:16393 Activity:high
8/23    idiocy about "idiocy about "nothing to do with the motd" purged"
        purged, since self-referentiality is a requirement for motd
        entries.
        \_ But you haven't really purged it as you've included the entire
           body of the purged item.
                \_ Have you ever heard of the "use-mention distinction"?
1999/8/23 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:16379 Activity:nil
8/23    Why are we asking technical and personal questions on motd?
        Do they relate to CSUA? No. We should implement a law delete
        all trolls not related to CSUA.
1999/8/20-21 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:16357 Activity:very high
8/20    Newer motd restored.
        \_ Thanks tom!
           \_ Not tom.  Tom is The Great Destoyer.  tom never adds value. only
              deletes things he doesn't want others to read.
                \_ shut the fuck up cmlee, I have a real answer to a real
                   question in THIS VERY MOTD, twink.  -tom
1999/8/17-18 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:16327 Activity:high
8/16    Want to teach CS in High School?  Check out the new job posting in
        /csua/pub/jobs/HighSchoolTeacher
        \_ c'mon you guys this is a great way to infuse the young with the
           teachings and joy that is unix!
           \_ Yeah, now is the time, considering it's now "cool" use linux.
        \_ I'm very interesting in doing something like this, except I can't
           quite my day job yet.  I would love an opportunity to teach in the
           evenings or on the weekends.
        \_ "Those who can't, teach" has never been more true than today.
           \_ and those who can don't have time to waste posting to the motd?
1999/8/15 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:16316 Activity:nil
8/14    What's the point of restoring a 12+ hour old motd after 30+ replies
        have been added?  That's stupid.  Just delete it.  The end result is
        the same: a useless motd with no information or humor value for
        anyone.  Stop doing that.  Just delete it if the current stuff annoys
        you so much.
1999/8/2 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:16225 Activity:nil
8/2     I've asked about everything else on the motd, why not this...
        Can anyone recommend a good dentist in Berkeley? -crebbs
1999/7/30 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:16209 Activity:kinda low
07/29   ED!  ED!  ED is the STANDARD!  Non-locking motd-hosing text editor.
        \_ This motd entry added by ed.
        \_ Real men use echo!
1999/7/23 [Recreation/Travel/LasVegas, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:16190 Activity:very high
7/22    What's the closest shooting range near Berkeley? Thanks.
        \_ Gun range?  There's one in San Rafael.  Bullseye Precision
           Indoor.  They rent.  There's also one in Chabot. -raytrace
           Indoor.  They rent. -raytrace
           \_ Thanks! I was meaning to ask this on the motd too. -- ilyas
                \_ There should be a outdoor & indoor one in San Leandro
                \_ Oh Sh!t. Now I'm really scared of raytrace. She
                   even wears long black overcoats, just like those
                   commie goth people who do drugs.
                   \_ Your fears are well justified.
                   \_ I should've taken the blue pill....
                \_ Davis St in San Leandro, and there is also one in
                   Richmond.
        \_ For assault rifles, you can go to Las Vegas or Connecticut.
           \_ are those legal to transport across state lines?
1999/7/21-22 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:16179 Activity:high
7/21    I've been work for 3 years and have had about 5 different department
        secretaries. They are all georgous, and I've always wanted to ask
        them out, but never had the guts to do so. The newest secretary
        (the 5th one for our department) is )(*#$)(# gorgeous. What should
        I do?
        \_ Be yourself.  For you, this probably means cowering in a corner.
        \_ Go for it, Johny Bravo!
        \_ Honestly?  Forget it.  You're a geek.  Those chicks are hired just
           to keep you showing at work.  She won't go out with you and doesn't
           want to know you and after you ask her and she gives you a
           semi-polite blow off answer, do not come back to the motd asking
           for more advice.  You're a geek and doomed to virginity forever.
           \_ You should have gone to defcon. the sure way to get
             drunk and laid at the same time.
        \_ Corner her in your cubicle and show her yer wang...
        \- If you have to ask for advice on the soda motd, it means you should
           probably stick to Lara Croft.
1999/7/18-20 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:16152 Activity:nil
7/17    Woah, I never realized that the CSUA minutes were all done word-for
        -word.  Whoever takes those notes should be a court stenographer.
        \_ both brg and dans have that ability.  they rule.
           \_ dans is the most annoying person on the planet.
              \_ And you're obviously the wittiest and most courageous.  I
                 only wish that I had thought to anonymously post my personal
                 attacks to the motd. - (Dan)
                 only wish that I had thought to post anonymous personal
                 attacks to the motd, but I suppose that only a small handful
                 can be cunning iconoclasts like yourself. - (Dan)
1999/7/16 [Computer/SW/Security, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:16144 Activity:moderate
07/15   I don't get s/key... isn't soda supposed to issue an s/key
        challenge when I ftp into soda?
        \_ You must be this tall to use skey
        \_ You have to set up your key first.  see man skey(1)
                \_ http://soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU% man skey(1)
                   Badly placed ()'s.
                   \_ You must be this tall to use man
                   \_ "skey(1)" means to type "man 1 skey" -- it looks up skey
                      in manual section 1 (user commands).  The section number
                      is optional, but it matters if there are two manpages
                      with the same name -- for example, printf(1) tells you
                      about the "printf" command-line utility, but printf(3)
                      tells you about the C library function.
                        \_ SONOFABITCH!! I can't believe someone actaully posted
                           a usefull and non-insulting reply!! Surely the motd
                           gods will banish you for eternity! You asked for it!
                   \_ man skey
1999/7/9 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:16089 Activity:very high
07/08   Wow, the old motd is gone.  Darn.  BTW, can someone change the time
        on soda?  It appears to be about 10 minutes slow.
        \_ Looks fine to me.
                \_ It's (relatively) fine now that we're running ntpdate
                   from cron.  It wasn't fine with xntpd.
                \_ Looks about 4 seconds slow.
        \_ What happened to the xntpd process?  --- yuen
                \_ It wasn't working properly, so we run ntpdate from cron
1999/7/1-2 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:16055 Activity:high 66%like:15970
7/1     Ding dong, the net is dead!
        \_ Its alive again!
        \_ I miss the old motd.
        \_ I thought only Berkeley was down ....
           \_ Evans Hall must have finally crumbled.  It was bound to happen
              sooner or later.
                \_ Actually, the hearst mining renovation crew broke a water
                   pipe and washed it all away.
                \_ We should start the annual CSUA surfing contest today.
                   \_ But surfing is all I do at work these days...
                        \_ I surf and play Kingdoms.
1999/6/29-7/1 [Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:16031 Activity:high
6/29    Enough of the ssh crap. Take it to http://ucb.org.csua or csua@csua.  Anon
        flames on the motd only makes both sides of the issue look like
        morons.
        \_ you're attacking my freedom of speech!!! I've been violated!!!
           WHERE'S THE PHONE NUMBER FOR THE ACLU!!!! FASCIST!!
           \_ First Amendment only protects you from the govt., not from
              your fellow Americans.  The ACLU won't give a crap.
              \_ Does the First Amendment protect ep-sample.avi?
              \_ But the CSUA is an organization under the umbrella of
                 the University of California, and hence receives
                 funding from the gov't.  I'm sure they could make a
                 case if they felt like it.
                 \_ The CSUA isn't doing any censoring (which is why the
                    web server has so much gay porn, but that's a different
                    issue) - they just aren't stopping other users from
                    editing the motd.
                    \_ So I assume there was adequate CSUA representation
                       at last weekend's Gay Pride parade?
                        \_ kchang marched in the Drag Queen parade dressed
                                as an asian chick
        \_ yes mommy
        \_Linux Rulez!  Ride BIKE!
                \_ Linux sux.  Go FreeBSD!
                   \_ Linux Rulez!  Ride BIKE!  Fuck you for thinking anything
                      different from me!
                   \_ FreeBSD sux.  Go vxWorks!
                      \_ does vxworks support mmu's?
                         \_ what, mmu's? don't all os's have memory management
                            units?
                                \_ No, CPU's have MMU's.  (And not all, just
                                   those that want to support virtual memory.
                                   For instance the 68000 & 68020 didn't have
                                   MMU's.)
        \_Open Source! Standardize Java!
                \_ Java is standardized - it's just that the standards are
                   set by Sun, not some international organization.
1999/6/23 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Ilyas, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:16004 Activity:high
6/22    I've got a lab of 14 new machines that need names.  Suggestions?
        \_ Come up with a theme. eg. Callug = Animinaniacs, CSUA = drinks,
           199 Cory = Ancient Literature, 273 Soda = ships, etc...
           \_ 199 Cory isn't ancient literature, sorry.  A cluster scheme
              I was thinking about was South Park chracters.  --sowings
                \_ cartman.cs & kenny.cs are both taken, but stan & kyle are
                        not - strange, only half a cluster?
        \_ ancient computer games; archon, bard, conan, midnight, jumpman...
        \_ Basic unix commands
        \_ Star Wars characters.
        \_ Porn movies and/or actors.
        \_ liquid names of spanish food
        \_ Ally McBeal characters!
        \_ Rocky Horror Picture Show
        \_ homophones of "to"
        \_ soda motd threads
           \_ HOST=asianchic
                \_ You want names that will mean something for more than 2
                   TV seasons, not garbage pop culture of the moment crap.
        \_ AARON, asian chic, lila, psb, immigrants, happy page, etc
        \_ tom's twinks (kchang, cmlee, benco, tawei)
        \_ AARON, asian chic, lila, psb, immigrants, happy page, THE MAN
        \_ sexual positions
                \_ You name positions?  Or are you talking about the silly
                   Kama Sutra names?  "Lotus flower bent between broken OS's"
        \_ aminoacid names -- ilyas
        \_ venerial deceases. -lali
        \_ Mobsters.
1999/6/10-11 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:15940 Activity:very high
6/10    Attention clueless wonders.  Do *not* use an editor to _view_ the
        motd.  There's a rash of cluelessness (extra) around here lately
        where people are using an editor the _view_ the motd, go idle for
        hours, then exhibit the total lack of brains to _save_ their unmodified
        6 hour old copy over what everyone else has been adding throughout
        the day.  Stop it.  You know who you are and so does anyone else who
        can type 'w' or 'ps'.  Thank you for ceasing this obnoxious and rude
        behavior.  -not the management.
        \_ you could try "more /etc/motd"
                                \_ /etc/motd.public
                                   \_ /etc/motd.official
                                      \_ /etc/passwd
        \_ Sorry soda was super slow and I got called away before
        it came up.  Exited w/o saving.  Anyone else:  no excuse!! :)
        \- if people would use the OneTrueEditor ...
           \_ pico
              \_ d00d, th3y n33d M$ Werd f0r 3un1chs, 3r, UNIX!!
        \_ In case somebody doesn't know, it's not even necessary to be on
           soda to view the motd.  finger motd@csua to see it from anywhere.
        \_ Is it ok to have rm -f /etc/motd* in my .login ???
        \_ This motd edit brought to you by ed, the standard text editor.
        \_ I suggest we post the names of those cluless wonders here.  -- yuen
                \_ No need to point blame.  I just want it to stop.
                   Embarassing people won't fix anything or improve anyone's
                   "motd viewing experience".
           Who needs locking anyway, the file is bloody world-fuckable.
        \_ you could try "more /etc/motd"
                                \_ /etc/motd.public
                                   \_ /etc/motd.official
        \_ finger motd@csua
        \_ When flock(2) is outlawed, only outlaws will call flock(2).
        \_ one more reason why we need a journal'ed motd
                \_ No.  We just need a tiny amount of clue.
        \_ source .login
1999/6/4-6 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:15908 Activity:nil
6/4     http://www.rollingstone.com/sections/news/text/newsarticle.asp?afl=aflp/LM/W3SVC/6/Root&NewsID=8050
        \_ Marilyn Manson on Littleton -- chris
           \_ Seeing as this is the MOTD: Marilyn Manson WANX!
1999/5/22 [Recreation/Humor, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:15855 Activity:nil
5/21    Anybody saved motd entries by "(fucker)"?  Mehlhaff's motd archive
        has his hilarious flames.  I'm looking for more.  This is a
serious
        request.  I think his flames are really funny!   -(fucker)'s #1
fan
        \_ ~seano/pub/funny-motd/I-am-in-love-with-myself
        \_ It's gerbil-licking goons like you do bring a tear to my eye
           oh-so-quaintly in the same way I imagine flogging you with your
           own entrails would to spare you from your vicarious,
           hemorrhoid-spitting kittyfuckerdom -(fucker)
1999/5/20 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:15845 Activity:high
5/19    dwallach is now an assistant professor at rice?  kewl.  How about
        a list of former-CSUA members and what they're doing now.  [if you're
        a l0ser ex-CSUA member please do not troll this list].
        \_ the thing about former-CSUA members that you're missing is that
           they are not CSUA members anymore, which means they dont post
           to the motd. duh.
        \_ glass        microserf
        \_ psb          still here, still not graduated
           \_ yeah, but psb is hardly former-CSUA.  The guy is still around.
              And !psb is alive and well at elections.
        \_ philb        sysadmin at a fortune 500 company
        \_ yermom       anything with a pulse
        \_ whatever happened to adam?
                \_ Which adam? glass? richter? diran?
                    \_ adam richter.  login:adam
                        \_ Still sleeping with Pete Shipley.
                        \_ Is yggdrasil officially dead?
1999/5/12-13 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:15799 Activity:low
5/11    BERKELEY (Reuters) - Some idiot keeps flame baiting in the MOTD.
        \_ No way?  Political, religious, ethnic, sexist, and generally
           offensive flame bait on the motd!  Say it isn't so!
        \_ I didn't know Reuters practice censorship.
                \_ shut the fuck up, cmlee
1999/5/11-13 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:15787 Activity:high
5/11    I want to donate a couple of old Sparc 2's to the csua
        via my company. Is there an offical process? Who should
        I talk to?
        \_ ms. treasurer
           \_ Who is the current treasurer? Email id would be best.
                \_ treasurer@csua or READ THE TOP OF THE MOTD MORON
              There is this form that I have to fill out, etc.
        % expn treasurer@CSUA.Berkeley.EDU
        Rhys Cheung <reeser@soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU>
        \_ Thanks.
           \_ What the hell's wrong with just emailing "treasurer" in
              the first palce. sheesh...
              the first place. sheesh...
        \_ You know you really shouldn't bother.  Look at the attitude.  Last
           time I donated something, it was a huge hassle and no one gave a
           damn.  The kids all make noise about wanting more stuff to play
           with but I really don't see it.  A busy alum doesn't have time to
           read the motd to find some alias and asks how to donate and gets
           shit for it?  Hey kids, time to wake up. - aaron
                \_ Nothing new about the ASUC making donations a bureaucratic
                   pain in the ass.
                        \_ I was more commenting on the CSUA attitude than the
                           UC paperwork.  Calling him a moron?  Really....
                           \_ It's the attitude of a single hozer. You
                              really ought not count that as being the general
                              attitude of the CSUA.
                           \_The ASUC has managed to lose the reimbursement
                             papers at least twice already, and are now
                             working on it again.
        \_ By forcing others in the computing community to go through our
           own bureaucratic institutions, not helping them, and insulting
           them, we only propagate something all of us detest. Maybe we
           don't want to look like kids desperate for hardware; we
           aren't, but we don't have to insult others to prove our worth.
1999/5/5 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:15752 Activity:very high
5/5     whoever is restoring the motd: save more often.  this half-restored
          thread thing is more annoying than the nukeing.
        \_ imho, restoring the motd is pretty lame, that's what alt.motd and the
           csua newsgroup are for.
new to linux.  any recommendation for reference books for developers?
           \_ opinion noted and rejected as valueless.  save bits, don't bother.
        \_ whoever is nuking the motd: nuke more often.  this half-nuked
1999/5/4 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:15745 Activity:nil
5/3     if you didn't see the top of the motd, COME TO THE BBQ AND
        THE GENERAL MEETING! (more /etc/motd for details)
1999/4/28 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:15722 Activity:nil
4/27    Soda relationships thread killed due to motd corruption.
        \_ Censorship.
           \_ (you'd think that thread was too hot, and too gay)
                \_ But since it was censored, s/he won't get a chance to
                   decide on for themself.  Thanks for keeping all that crufty
                   stuff off the motd so the rest of us don't have to think
                   for ourselves.
1999/4/27-28 [Computer/SW/Compilers, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:15704 Activity:nil
4/26    Have a friend recruiting for a company looking for a DRAM core
        designer with a couple years experience.  mail jed
        \_ LJBF! LJBF!
          ( Subtle, desparate long-term torture plan )
        \_ This is the WRONG place for a question like this.  Do what you
           think is right.  Make sure you have no regrets, and make sure
           you're proud of yourself after whatever you do in the name of love.
           I'd call her and ask her why.  It is not a question of whether
           she is testing you, or if this is a game, it is about
           communication -- if she still turns you down, then you know it's
           the real thing. --female@soda
           \_ Why is it wrong to ask for advice in relationship matters on
              the motd? After all if you were having trouble in your relationship
              with your compiler or your computer, asking for help on the motd
              generates useful feedback. Anyway, since most of my friends read
              and post on the motd, asking here or in person would be the same.
              (Actually the motd is better since its anonymous).
              In this particular case I'm betting that the post was made on
              the motd, so that the female in question would read it and
              reconsider her decision.
        \_ You know, I bet a lot of these relationship questions that show
           up on the motd are purely hypothetical, posed for the entertainment
           value of the responses.
        \_ "Go to her.   Don't sleep on it.  It's not always good to let things
            calm down...The best thing you have going for yourself is your
            willingness to embarass yourself." - Simon advising Melvin from
                As Good As it Gets
        \_ I say go for it. Who cares about experience? Just be yourself and
           "go for the gold!"
1999/3/31 [Recreation/Humor, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:15669 Activity:high
3/30    The motd needs some comic relief.  How about one of those flames
        by '(fucker)'?  He's one fucked up funny dude.
        \_ go away. --fucker
           \_ Lame impersonation... did you think of that all by yourself?
              And I'm not fucked up... you all are fucked up sick
              foetusfuckers marching around with your hoary ass like faces
              talking through your sphincters bringing new meaning to "eat
              shit" and, see, I give the public what they want, and what
              do you have to say about that, colostomycritter? -(fucker)
                \_ You really make me smile.  :-)  Soda needs more
                   foul mouthed fuckers like you.  It would be a much
                   better place.  -(fucker)'s #1 fan
1999/3/22-24 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:15627 Activity:low
3/22    This motd lacks the bitterness and spite of the usual motd.
        It's like invasion of the motd snatchers.  -ax
        \_ Sorry . . . spending the whole night with yermom all to myself
           just took the edge off my normal Monday-morning bitterness
           (especially since she was giving out good-customer discounts . . .)
        \_ See what I mean!  -ax
1999/3/17 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:15600 Activity:low
3/16    First time I've ever seen pseudo-german on the official motd.
        The Soda is not for warez hozing or mailspamming.  It is easy
        to piss off root and overload the wall .... (Can't seem to read the
        rest)
        \_ with "fuck you"s and "yer mom"s
        \_ Someone show him a copy of blinkenlichts!
           \_ more ~marco/.project
           \_ fortune ~jon/ACHTUNG
1999/3/15-16 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:15591 Activity:insanely high
3/14    Money is a measure of success.  How many waller is a millionaire?
                 \-the key word here is "a" --psb
        \_ I have a million lira
        \_ I think some CSUA geeks joined Inktomi -- they should be

                 \-the key word here is "a" --psb
           pretty well-off now.
                 size is godo for th other person. who gives a damn about
                \_ Norby joined early enough to get in good, but has
                   probably spent a good chunk on his son's medical bills.
                        \_ what's wrong with his son?
                \_ Remember most startups that IPO big don't let insiders
                   sell their stock for quite a while after IPO, so while
                   they may be millionaires now, it may not last until they
                   can sell...
        \_ Money is a measure of dick size.  How many wallers have big dicks?
           \_ I have a big dick, but feel no need to make much money.
           \_ I always assumed it was inversely proportional. Why do you
              need money if you have a big dick?
              \_ contrariwise, who needs a big dick if you have money?
                 size is good for th other person. who gives a damn about
                 the other person anyways?
        \_ I would be if I hadn't given all my spare change to your
           mom at 25 cents a pop... -John
           \_ Sucky, fucky one dollar GI.
                \_ No, that's for the 5-for-$1 special  -John
        \_ How many waller speak better grammar than he do?
           \_ Me do.
           \_ Me speaking gooder english for you.
           \_ FISH
        \_ Puts hand in meat grinder is measure of success.  How number of
           csua-er is one-hand?
           \_ MMMMMMMM FISH
        \_ A million bucks ain't worth what it used to.
        \_ truly the wisdom in the motd rivals the most profound philosophical
           writings.  You should feel privileged every time you login.
           \_ Me do.
              \_remember: do, or do not. there is no lie.
        \_ Translation of all the above BS: No one on Soda who has any money
           is talking.  sameer is my first guess for a Soda millionaire.  -ax
           \_ There are at least 2 (paper) millionaires on Soda.  There are
              many more if you count former CSUA members who are no longer
              on Soda.
                \_ I think the keyword here is 'waller'.
           \_ Ain't he broke now?
         \_ hey, I got a million! (problems) -nick
        \_ Some guy sold me a large bridge for cheap.  That should be
           worth some cash by now, shouldn't it?  -John
1999/3/9-10 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:15570 Activity:high
3/8     As predicted in the soda motd, AMD will report a huge loss this
        quarter...http://www.news.com/News/Item/0,4,33470,00.html
        \_ what's the next prediction?
           \_ Lycos to reject USA Network's bid and stock will go up 50%.
           \_ Microsoft will GPL all their software, become a charitable
              organization, and install Richard Stallman as their new CEO.
              \_ followed a few months later by "microsoft goes out of
                 business"
           \_ Former UC Berkeley Chancellor Chang-Lin Tien will become the
              latest addition to the cast of "Friends", making his debut as
              part of a wacky love triangle between Ross and Rachel.  He'll
              later lose his part by using a special season's-end live
              espisode as a nationwide platform for speaking about his views
              on affirmative action.  You heard it here first!
              later lose his job by choosing to use a special season-ending
              live episode as a nationwide platform for speaking out on his
              views about affirmative action.  You heard it here first!
        \_ CMGI will hit 250 by 3/11 earnings date.  It will not split
           however.  Consolidation in the 125-150 level afterwards and
           take off again by next earnings date.  350-400 by the next
           earnings report.  It'll split 3:1 or 4:1 then.  I have made a
           lot of money on CMGI.  I hope you do too.
           \_ why don't you sign your name so we can report you for stock
              manipulation?
           \_ Wow -- Yahoo! Stocks message boards come to the soda motd!
                \_ I didn't like them on Yahoo! either...
           \_ Bullshit about CMGI hitting 250 by 3/11. Closed at 194. Damned
              if i am if it does. - davecw
                \_ 250 by 3/11.  I will post my name so that you can worship
                   me if I'm right.  And I will fuck off and never post about
                   stocks again on the motd if I'm wrong.  -cmgi fan
                   \_ How about you post your name right now, so that we
                      can make fun of you if you're wrong?
         \_ FTC will not allow the AOL/Netscape merger.  Sun will end up
            buying Netscape instead.
1999/2/16-17 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd, Computer/SW/Editors/Vi] UID:15421 Activity:moderate
2/15    Did /csua/bin/motdedit ever work?
        \_ It was never very well written, and doesn't work at all with
           editors (like vi) that lock the file they're editing.  Even if
           motdedit did work, there would be no reason to use it with vi,
           since vi already does everything motdedit tries to do.
        \_ I'm using it right now.  I'm not exactly sure how it's different
           from regular emacs though.
1999/1/29 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:15320 Activity:nil
1/28          __
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           /  \@'
          /     \
      _  /  `   |
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      \   /_ || \\_
       \____)|_) \_)
      0 \_ Motd Watchdog.
      0
1999/1/23-24 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:15282 Activity:moderate
1/22    Does anyone have a spare SCSI card they would like to donate to
        the CSUA?  mail secretary@csua
        \_ Can you use a VLB scsi card?  how about a nice ISA one? -ERic
                \_ PCI scsi 3 card only.
                  \_ Well aren't we the choosy one.  Beggars horse choosers
                        gift-horse mouth.
                        \_ No.  It would just have been an unused card and
                           they'd still need what they need.  Clue.
           \_ Either ISA or PCI would suffice.  We've not got VLB
              anything. -mikeh
        \_ can I get unsquished for donating a SCSI card?
           \_ no.  you were squished for being an asshole.  donating a piece
              of hardware to get unsquished would create an elitist monetary
              oriented culture where assholes with hardware could be as they
              are without fear of squishiness.  The csua has done ok without
              your scsi and you and would be worse off with both.
                \_ the person who wrote that obviously was not squished.
                   After all, how the hell did he write to the csua motd?
                   \_ On someone else's account.  Obviously.
                \_ Hey, hey, now, let's not get pissy. Politburo would be glad
                   to relieve you of your SCSI card, but we just won't
                   unsquish you. Remember - "We're petty and vindictive, so
                   you don't have to be." -root
                   \_ That's cool.  Take his hardware, but don't unsquish
                      him for it.  The sell-out query was lame though.
1999/1/13-15 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:15231 Activity:high
1/13    I know this has been posted before but who_has/where_is the neat
        little MOTD archive?
        \_ Evil ERic Mehlhaff
           \_and where is it / what is it called ?
                \_ ~mehlhaff/rcs/motd/../../../../dev/null.
                     \_ you so funny !
                \_ ~mehlhaff/tmp/motd,v -ERic
                    \_ the motd has got to be the best comic relief around.
                        Everything from nazies, lesbians, linux, NT,
                        M$, and BJs.  You people crack me up.  Keep up the
                        good work.
                        \_ Marlon, we're not here to entertain you, dumb ass.
1999/1/8 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:15194 Activity:high
1/7     As an Asian woman on Soda, I find the Asian Women MOTD post to be
        quite offensive. If you must post this kind of trash, please post
        it on trash newsgroups like alt.i.like.asian.girls.
        \_ as a non uptight person on soda I find the size of the stick
           up your ass to be quite offensive.  If you must be so uptight
           please keep it to yourself or better yet go shoot yourself.
        \_ How do you know the foreign-language-speaking woman in
           question was Asian?  Perhaps she was a strapping Teutonic
           blonde, making her comments in German.  It's sad, the way
           that people jump to conclusions and rush to take offense.
        \_ Idiot/feminazi.(redundant?)
           There was nothing really specific to "asian girls".
           It could well have been "I was working near an air-duct, and
           I heard this girl say "I think xyz is a cute guy". It just so
           happened that the different language issue brought up the issue,
           instead of an airduct, or hidden message, or "I can lipread", or...
1999/1/3-4 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:15167 Activity:nil
1/3 MOTD trimmed.
1998/12/31-1999/1/2 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:15159 Activity:high
12/31   1998: The Year in review on soda:
                We walled.  We nuked the motd.  We squished kchang.
        \_ Happy new year from eastern time zone.
           \_ I promise to quit smoking and lose weight.
        \_ What hozerish offense got him squished again?
                \_ scrambling the motd repeatedly with a script
                   \_ is it a squishable offense to have a script that
                      fingers soda every minute from http://bmw.autobahn.org?
                        \_ think about it. it depends on whether you're
                           being a hoser, and on any side effects it has,
                           intentional or unintentional. (if there's doubt,
                           ask yourself why, and re-read /csua/adm/doc/*.
                           if you're still confused, mail politburo, and tell
                           them what you'd like to do, and say what you think
                           might be hoserish about it; they're likely to give
                           you a straight answer if you ask.)
1998/12/30-1999/1/3 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:15145 Activity:high
12/28   Why do phrases like "the City of Berkeley" and "the State of
        California" refer to the government bodies rather than the city/state
        as a whole?  Does it relate to something in our Constitution?  Thanks.
        \_ It's synecdoche.  --pld
        \_ They're notional places, but when someone says that they do
           something, or that something is done to them, the default
           referent is the government.  "The State imprisoned..." "...sued
           the State" "City assessed taxes..." etc. but "I live in the City
           of Berkeley", "the fastest computer in the whole State of
           California".
           \_ I always thought that when you say state or city then that
              means the state or city.  But when you say State, or City
              then it becomes the government.  E.g. "I live in the city of
              Berkeley, and the state of California."  Besides, it's just
              another way for the government to screw with your heads.
        \_ Putting it another way: how else would you say you got fucked over
           by a particular government entity?  It's just easiest to refer to
           the entity as a person.  Like so, "Berkeley fucked me for selling
               \_ And so in this country now, Corporations (legalized organized
                 crime) have the rights of a person where many people still
                 do not.
           crack to kids last week."  And, "The United States bombed those
           fuckers again".  Or, "The State of California has a primary so
           late that their primary votes are meaningless".
                \_ So what does it mean when we say "People vs. Larry Flynt"
                   \_ Since in theory, the government is of/by/for the people,
                      when the gov. takes action, We The People are taking
                      that action.  It happens in all of our names. So, the
                      Government = The People and vice versa.  We're here to
                      help you.
           \_ No it's not.  It is *metonymy*.
                \_ These two terms are often interchangeable. Metonymy
                   is just a slightly more general description.
           \_ The current state government makes me feel all icky.
                   Odds are that if the original poster knew what synedoche
              Where can I get a synecdouche?
           \_ Mass qtys of motd crap can be replaced by one word.
                \_ But only if pld comes up with it.  -John
                \_ You mean you deleted clear English explanations and left
                   the motd with a single word to look up in a dictionary?
                   Odds are that if the original poster knew what synecdoche
                   meant they wouldn't have asked on the motd, you moron.
                        \_ Better living through a college-level vocabulary!
                           \_ kwyjibo - it's a big dumb bald ape, kwyjibo.
                           \_ Better living through clear communications.
                              If a fourth grader can't understand your
                              writing then you're over writing.
                                \_ "Know your audience," you mean.  (Wouldn't
                                   it make sense to assume a CSUA audience
                                   would have a better vocabulary than your
                                   average group of 4th graders? Or is the
                                   common denominator really that bad?)
                                   \_ No.  It wouldn't make sense.  When I
                                      said 4th grade, I meant it.
                                        \_ And yet you refuse to substantiate it.
                                           \_ Yeah, so what?  Your point? Have
                                              you put me in my place or
                                              something with that comment?  I
                                              suggest Prozac.
 I didn't intend for that to be a putting-in-place sort _/
 of comment, it just came out all wrong. I just wondered
 why you chose to make such a strong statement, and what
 evidence you might have for it.  I know the schools are
 bad, but I hadn't dreamed they were as bad as that
 statement would imply, if I understand you correctly.
        \_ Oh.  Well excuse my nasty reply then.  In any case, yes, even
           Berkeley, the shining gem of the UC system has deteriorated to the
           extent that IMHO it is no longer the place of higher learning and
           thought it once was.  Mostly, it's "gimme my degree, I'm gone".
           For those about to contradict me with "Well, I'm not!", please note
           the word "mostly".  You can look it up.  ;-)
                                        \_ Delete it all you want, twit.
                                           It won't change the fact that if
                                           a college student won't or can't
                                           acquire a decent command of
                                           English vocabulary, he probably
                                           isn't worth talking to.  -John
                              I deleted nothing.  I always judge people _/
                              by their vocabulary.  Because as we know, a big
                              vocabulary means you're a worthwhile person and
                              a lesser vocabulary means you're a worthless
                              scumbag.  I base all my friendships on
                              vocabulary size.  John, I love you but you're
                              not making sense.
                                \_ To clarify:  I was talking about willing-
                                   ness to learn, i.e. use a dictionary,
                                   when someone uses a word you don't know.
                                   I had no idea what "synecdoche" meant, so
                                   I looked it up.  Maybe that is too much
                                   to expect from university students.  -John
                                   \_ Had someone not deleted the rest of the
                                      motd, you would not have needed to look
                                      it up.  Hence my original gripe about
                                      scrubbing the simple English description
                                      that was posted.
                        So how do you account for the success of the  _/
                        New York Times, or of the Wall Street Journal,
                        or even of the San Jose Mercury News?
                        \_ Easily.  They're written for grade school level.
                           I read 2 of those 3 and you'll *never* find words
                           like that in those papers.
        \_ I'm stunned.  Are you people seriously arguing against clear
           writing?  Where did you learn that it's a good idea to use big
           words when explaining something to someone?  Would you be happy
           if your Professors used "college level vocabulary" while explaining
           class concepts?  I think not.
                \_ They had damn well better use "college level vocabulary".
                   I didn't pay tuition to learn academic concepts from
                   "Bow-wow the Dog and the Differential Equation".  No one
                   cares if you talk heap big word, but I'd sure prefer
                   people using descriptive terms if possible.  -John
                   \_ So you want them to smother you with 'big words' you
                      need to look up while trying to learn about Diff.Eqs.?
                      Most of your Profs have sufficiently larger vocabularies
                      that you'd learn lots of new words in class but no new
                      concepts.  While teaching a new concept, it should
                      always be in terms already clearly understood.  I didn't
                      come to Berkeley for an in-class vocabulary lesson.  I
                      came here to learn.  Vocabulary is rote memorization
                      which any 4th grader can master.
        \_ Well, sure, if you are explaining synecdoche to someone whom
           you suspect has never encountered the concept before, you're
           not going to just randomly say "Well, that's synecdoche" and
           walk away. But if you think that, as in the example above,
           it might be effective to point out that calling the government
           of the City of Berkeley "the City of Berkeley" is the same sort
           of literary process as ones that the person may have
           encountered before when reading, e.g., Shakespeare, why not
           make a stab at it? It can save paragraphs and paragraphs of
           typing, and one well-chosen word can often serve your purposes
           better than hundreds of clumsy examples. I personally don't
           think that the tradition of American anti-intellectualism (said
           tradition which gives rise to the epithet of "using big words")
           is one that I want to have any part in upholding. And you're
           actually quite wrong about what I expect from my professors; I
           want them _not_ to talk down to me. (They're often the only ones
           who don't, and I have never found it to be an unrewarding
           experience to make the effort to try to understand them.)
           \_ No one mentioned Shakespear.  Someone simply stated, "It's
              synecdoche" without further explanation.  Whether or not
              further explanation was necessary we can't know unless the
              original poster tells us if that was useful to them, but since
              others had already typed out multi line common English
              descriptions with examples, why not just leave them?  Again, I
              say that IMHO you'd be really pissed off if the Profs all packed
              their lectures with those 'big words' and you spent your lecture
              time flipping through a dictionary instead of learning a new
              classroom concept.  Since when is speaking in common English the
              same as 'talking down' to someone?  There's no correlation
              between 'big words' in the classroom and enhanced learning.
              God, please don't let any of these people teach my children in
              anything other than a 4th grade English class.  Vocabulary is
              little more than rote memorization and I didn't go to Berkeley
              and pay all that tuition and spend all that time to enhance a
              skill I had mastered by the fourth grade.  Oh, btw, I was wrong
              about the newspapers.  They write to an 8th grade level.  :-)
              \_ Shuddup John. You graduated years ago. One of the requirements
                 of old-fart-dom is to not make "back in my day" comments, at
                 least not in front of the children.
                 \_ 1) Not John.
                    2) John didn't graduate so long ago that he can't have a
                       valid opinion on the subject.
                    3) Yes, the writer has graduated but there isn't a single
                       "back in my day" comment in there.  Had I said, "I don't
                       go to Berkeley and pay all that tuition..." the rest
                       would remain factually correct.  The tense of my
                       phrasing doesn't change the facts.  You copped out.
                    4) I would like to say that back in my day, the students
                       wouldn't have made such a ridiculous comment/reply, but
                       their reading comprehension was no better than yours,
                       to everyone's detriment.
1998/12/1-3 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:15048 Activity:nil 62%like:15027
12/1    CSUA ALUMNI! Come to the CSUA General Meeting on December 2 at 5:30
        pm in 306 Soda. There will be a general reunion, and foodP and
        drinkP afterward. If you arrive late, just check the motd or wall to
        learn where we are.
1998/11/15-18 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:14963 Activity:high
11/15   The Star Wars Episode I trailer will be shown on Tuesday, 11/17
        at Jack London Cinema with Meet Joe Black and The Waterboy. After
        that, the trailer will open to the public starting 11/20.
        \_ Trailer online at a variety of places. official one @ http://starwars.com
           ***IF*** you can even get into the site.
        \_ Igonore all the flamage below this line and go to:
           http://www.arctic.org/~dgaudet/swtpm.mpeg
        \_ The complete list of theatres is available at
           http://www.starwars.com/episode-i/news/trailer
        \_ It's a movie... it's only a movie... relax.  Count down from 75.
           \_ It's not just a movie!
                \_ It's just a movie.  Son, you need to count down slowly
                   from 1 million, taking a valium after each 10,000.
                   \_ infidel!!!
                   \_ I thinik you have the valium dosage too low, it should
                      be at each 100.
                        \_ You're right.  I didn't realise this wasn't even
                           the movie, but a trailer for a movie.  We'll start
                           him off with 5 valiums to start and then just do
                           an IV drip until he's at the edge of OD.
                           Dangerous, I know, but it may be the patient's only
                           hope.
                           \_ " Help me, Obi-Motd.  You're my only hope."
              \_ It's only a _trailer_.  Even worse.
                        \_ it's only a MOTD entry.  Just slit your wrists for
                           responding to it.
                           \_ it's only my asshole.  now shut up and lick.
        You don't realize how many times this line was shown on ____/
        the 306 Soda projection screen during the Help Session
        today... I mean, yeah, sure, people are allowed to say what
        they wish and to make themselves out to be as loudmouthed
        and stupid or as cultured and educated as they want, but

        \_ I just saw it. Oh. My. Fuck. Ing. God.
        does it really *have* to be the case that the soda motd
        and wall are seemingly-infinite sources of tastelessness
        and pointless flamage? Might not this sort of babble be
        part of the reason that newbies are turned *off* to walling
        and the motd? In order to make my point stick, signed: --brg
        \_ Yo Mr. Genius, heard of a .hushlogin file?  And no one is
           impressed that you're willing to sign your high horsedness.
        \_ -rw------- 1 brg csua 0 Sep 7 1997 /home/digital/brg/.hushlogin
           I wasn't teaching the help session. Sign your name;
           you're not "everyone". Besides, my complaint is not that
           blocking it out is impossible; incidentally, 7 Sept. 1997
           is also the day I got my CSUA account. The complaint is that
           anyone who chances to see it thinks "Holy shit, the CSUA is
           full of three-year olds!" As officers of the CSUA it seems
           like we should be working to make the CSUA less obviously
           full of cliquishness and rampant pointless screaming and
           more like a place and a community where CS undergrads who
           *aren't* already part of the CSUA feel like they could join
           in without getting themselves toasted the first time they
           try to say something by some vengeful tenured undergraduate
           they've never met and never will meet who happens to have a
           chip on his shoulder. The fact is that the core group of
           active CSUA members (and by that I mean outside of soda the
           machine) is pretty darn small these days, and "come get a
           soda account so you can wall" is something I can only barely
           say with a straight face to someone I don't think has a skin
           thick enough to classify them under the species of Armadillo
              dirty words on the motd.  -John
           or Tortoise. --brg
           \_ As far as I remember, the "active" membership hasn't been much
              bigger.  Active wallers, same thing.  Just because the old
              members are still around doesn't mean there's no new blood.
              And if there isn't, it's probably due to factors far beyond
              dirty words on the motd.  I think that having an informal
              online environment, in addition to public machines in the
              lounge, donut runs, help sessions and stuff like that actually
              would increase the csua's attractiveness.  -John
           \_ Ok, you've proved you're a genius.  Now you can go and apply
              that genius to changing the personalities of everyone you
              think is a loud mouth on soda.  Good FUCKING luck.  When
              you're older maybe you'll understand you can't change people.
              Having a dinky title like "CSUA Librarian" doesn't give you
              either the power or the authority to change anyone, much less
              the right to try.  I suggest you jon the Star Wars fans in the
              Valium IV Drip Club.  You're not just the President, you're a
              client.  -- not a whining bully like brg
                \_ Too, I have noticed the resounding lack of new blood
                   in the CSUA, and until the day we can all join hands
                   and sing, let's take this to the next logical step.
                   What are some ways we can attract more people to
                   enliven this community?  Are there ways we can agree
                   on?  Do we necessarily want new blood, because if
                   not the name-calling, purported levels of eliteness,
                   and ass jokes will continue!  - tpc
                   \_ I kill all of you. - danh
                   \_ It's time for . . . Happy Point!
1998/11/15-16 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:14959 Activity:kinda low
11/14   mehlhaff, what is the script you use to archive the motd periodically?
        \_ why didn't you email the question?  its basically motdwatch -e
           'co -l motd ; cp /etc/motd motd ; ci -u motd'
           Or were you just trying to publicize my motd archive  in
           ~mehlhaff/tmp/motd*  -ERic
           \_ i fig that everyone would benefit anyway so i might as well
              post it on the motd
1998/11/11 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:14941 Activity:kinda low
11/10   [context free url deleted].  Look people, I can't click on the motd.
        The motd is not browser compliant.  Put in some brief one line
        description of your url if you're going to bother at all.
        \_ Use netterm. Can highlight text and if it's URL, can launch.
                \_ Uhm. No.  I'm not going to change my working environment
                   so others can post context free URLs I may not have any
                   interest in in the first place.  Thanks for the tip,
                   though, but I dumped netterm because it was lame.
                   This is a context-free problem, not a UI problem.
1998/11/4-5 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:14909 Activity:moderate
11/4    Stop editing the motd with broken-ass scripts! --root
        \_ is that really root? i don't think i've ever seen root use th
           word 'ass' before.
        \_ People have been kicked off of soda for such things.  If you're
           going to write motd scripts, at least make them nondestructive.
           \_ how would you know who wrote what to the motd?
                \_ it's not difficult if you're tracking a specific behavior.
                   ask emarkp and shin
                        \_ Well, don't ask me.   I just don't give a shit
                                about what you guys do.  -shin
                \_ You can get other people's command histories, lists of
                   currently open files, etc., from the OS; combine that
                   with a motd.public-watching script, and...
           \_ And then there are those who were kicked off for being kchang
1998/10/24-25 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:14819 Activity:nil
10/23   Quick Clues for the Clueless:
        1) This is the public motd.  Everything in it is suspect, including
           this statement.
        2) if anyone tells you to use the "chsh" or "rm" command make sure
           you know what the command does first.
        3) Type "man chsh".  This will show the MANual entry.  For that
           matter, use the man command before asking stupid questions.
           People on soda tend to flame stupid questions.
        4) There is no such thing as a stupid question. (except on the motd)
        5) There is only Zuul.  (and Phillip and psb and his #1 Fan)
        6) This whole thing will probably be deleted/flamed
           within 5 minutes.  This is typical.  (and expected)
        7) That is all.  You will be tested.
        8) ARGH!  not another test!
        9) Go back and read number one.
1998/10/21-23 [Industry/Jobs, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:14804 Activity:nil
10/21   If I'm suppose to put job openings in /csua/pub/recruiting, then
        how will people know that I put one in there?  Is this a poll
        instead of wait for event type of messaging system (ie,
        people interested in jobs poll the directory rather than being
        told that something is available)?  -cliffwd
        \_ Both.  You may announce it concisely in /etc/motd, with something
           like:
                10/21   Interesting job hacking on vacuum tube design in
                        SF, see /csua/pub/jobs/Vacuum.  -- me
                        \_ H3Y!!!!!1!!!  1 L00K3D 1N TH3 J0BZ D1RECT0RY, AND
                           1T"Z N0T TH3R3!!!!1!!!  WHUT G1V3Z???/?  TH1Z
                           S0UNDZ L13K MY DR3AM J0B -- 1 LUV W0RK1NG W1TH
                           VACCUM TUB3Z (TH3Y"RE T0TALLY K-RAD, 1N A RETR0
                           ST3AMPUNK K1NDA WAY!!!1!!!)
1998/10/1 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:14708 Activity:nil
9/29    Hourly/daily plain-text motd backups in ~jctwu/motd. :P
        \_ wasn't mehlhaff already doing this? - danh
1998/9/25-26 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:14675 Activity:nil
9/25    This probably sounds cheesy, but it's amazing how much I've gotten out
        of the motd. Forget everything else, the motd may well be the
        best reason to join the CSUA. To the folks who post here, and to
        the folks at CSUA who make it possible, thank you. Not many people
        could pull off something like this.
1998/9/25-26 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:14669 Activity:very high
9/26    Just a quick update announcement: tom still has no penis.  thanks
        \_ shut up, shin.  -tom
           \_ what are you going to do - release the hounds? or the bees?
              or the hounds that shoot bees when they bark? well, go
              ahead.
                \_ shake shake shake, shake shake shake, shake your booty,
                   shake your booty.
                \_ I'm not going to do anything, except expose you for
                   the censoring coward that you are.  Of course other people
                   have been squished for continually munging the MOTD.  -tom
                   \_ You geek, that was an allusion to the Simpsons.
                   \_ How can a person be "squished" for doing anything to
                      the MOTD?
                        \_ chsh <user> /usr/local/bin/sorry
grep sorry /etc/passwd | wc -l
     188
        \_That's a lot of people to be squished. What did they do?
                        \_ That's /csua/adm/bin/sorry, fool. --root
                           \_ what is this program? all i got was a
                              message saying my account was turned off.
                                \_ you think that message magically appeared?
                                   the sorry program shows you a message
        \_ Another quick update; shin is still a fucking coward, not to
           mention an immature loser (penis jokes?)  -tom
                                   telling you why go to away and then sends
                                   you away.  moron.
                        \_ This the reason kchang got (thankfully) sorried?
                                \_ none of your business
                \_ There needs to be a motd.rant and a motd.help or some
                   other breakdown of motd.public
           \_ Does that matter to you? -shin

                        \_ motd.fuck.you
                \_ Oh well, I can always use OCF...   -shin
                        \_ only for now, OCF accounts go away after you
                          graduate, CSUA ones don't
                                \_ That's why I wanna have my WWW page on
                                   CSUA.  So that she will be able to keep
                                   in touch with me after my graduation.
                                        \_ she?
        \_ CSUA is a Penis-Free Zone.
                \_ Therefore is Babe-Free Zone
                    \_ Nah - we've got a nice collection of lesbian babes.
                      \_ Wannabe-pseudo-college-lesbians.  Not real
                         lesbians.  More like "lesbian for the week".
                             \_ that makes them way hotter. "real" lesbians
                                are psycho-millitant freaks. The wannabes are
                                just going through a "sexual awakening"
                                \_ Or maybe they're just claiming to be
                                   lesbians to keep away the pathetically
                                   desperate geeks who troll around here.
                                  \_ No way.  Experimental college "lesbians"
                                     are a big turn on.  I troll for lesbians.
1998/9/21-22 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:14647 Activity:very high
9/21    I joined CSUA + SODA for 2 reasons: community, and email.
        Let's be honest here, why 90% joined is email alone, and 10% community.
        Can we just keep the CSUA motd for helping each other? information and
        technology sharing - and perhaps even social announcements? -noah
        \_ can't we all just get along?
                \_ fucking hippies
                \_ won't someone please think of the children!
        \_ Just use soda for harassing women like everyone else and
           be happy with that.
        \_ If you want community join a gang! CSUA is for little dicked
           weenies who need some kind of stomping ground in which they
           can display their superiority to other weenies.
        \_ I  joined it for the hot babes. Boy have I been disappointed.
        \_ I'm here for the job connections.
           \_ I like soda because it has all the cool things:
                gifs of nekked gurlz, walls, figlets, motd flame wars,
                rootcows, explosions, irc bots, high technology, gifs of
                nekkid gurlz, revenge, twinks, h0zers, and gifs of nekkid
                gurlz, farm animals, and b1ff.
                And gifs of nekkid gurlz.
                ... and gifs of nekkid GUYZ
                \_ Where are gifs of nekkid gurlz on soda?
                        \_ http://www.csua.berkeley.edu/~safari/XXXjpgs
                           \_ Gurlz, not guyz.  BTW those links are not found
                              anyway.
                        \_ http://www.csua.berkeley.edu/~safari
                        \_ locate .gif or goto http://www.persiankitty.com
        \_ Those who just want email, go to uctwink or ocf.
           \_ Nice thing about soda accounts.  They don't expire. -cal alum
              \_ Speaking of which, where should CSUA donations be sent?
                 Surely some of the alums can pitch in?   -soon to be cal alum
                 \_ CSUA Treasurer
                    c/o CSUA
                    343 Soda Hall #1776
                    UC Berkeley
                    Berkeley CA 94720-1776
        \_ Me too.  But for good or bad, the MOTD has a tradition of being
        used for flame wars.  This is inevitable and not necessarily a bad
        thing.  No one has to participate.  No one has to join a flame fest.
        No one has to read the MOTD, just like most people don't read the
        wall.  My only objection re: the MOTD is people who delete someone
        else's comments because they disagree with them.  I feel people
        should either counter-comment in a constructive way or ignore it.
        \_ No, i delete them because in some people's attempt to sound
           half intelligent they come up with something totally idiotic.
                \_ But who are you to decide another point of view is idiotic?
                If something is idiotic, it should be self evident and not
                require someone to protect the rest of us from some form of
                intellectual contamination.
        \_ Surely someone could devise a way to make the motd append-only,
            and  some sort of automatic garbage collection scheme.
            \_ Why bother?  It's just the MOTD.  You can read it or not at
               will.  Nothing forces you to read it.  Nothing forces you to
               reply to anything on it.
            \_ speakin' of garbage collection, how's yer dad doing in his
               new job?
            \_ And then when someone lovingly posts the eye of argon or the
               complete starr report, everyone is forced through a meg of
               crap when they login
               \_no, only the twinks who don't know to do 'touch ~/.hushlogin;
                        \_ CVS would be silly for this application. is PRCS
                 cat "more /etc/motd" >> ~/.login'
            \_ FreeBSD does have append-only files.  But ~mehlhaff/tmp/motd,v
               is pretty useful, too...
               \_ I wonder if I should document it enough for RCS newbies to
                  figure out...  -ERic
                  \_ RCS/CVS sucks.  They need to create a better front end.
                     \_ So use PRCS.  And whoever has been using pico to
                        edit the /etc/motd, stop it damnit, pico does auto
                        line wrap which is really fucking goddamned annoying.
                        \_ CVS would be silly for this application. How is PRCS
                          so much better that it would justify me rewriting my
                          quick motd archive hack to use it instead of RCS?-ERic
1998/9/21 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:14646 Activity:nil 88%like:14635
9/21    MOTD scrubbed.  Day Three of the why-censorship-hurts-us-all
        lesson.  (The repeated deletion of this only further makes my
        point and will lead to that many more motd cleanings.)
        \_ tom has no penis
1998/9/19-20 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:14632 Activity:very high
9/19    Scorched MOTD policy still in effect.  Censorship sucks.  It also cuts
        both ways.  Think twice next time before deleting someone else's debate
        simply because you disagree or are tired of reading it.
        \_ ln -s /dev/null /etc/motd.public
        \_ Get a life fucker.  No one cares about you or this silly
                Scorched MOTD crap you made up to grow your over-inflated ego.
        \_ It was necessary to burn the village in order to save it?
           sometimes or it grows without bounds.  --PeterM
        \_ What's this debate about anyway?  The motd needs to be trimmed
           sometimes or it grows without bounds.  It's volatile by nature.
           If you want your words immortalized, how about taking up
           cuneiform or masonry?  --PeterM
           \_ I think the idea is that, if the motd is to be trimmed, it should
              be trimmed only on the basis of age and not on the basis of
              content; scorching the motd is a protest against any censorship
              of particular content (as often happens).  -- not the motd nuker
              \_ Although censorship is bad you've got to admit that
                 there's a difference between something like CNN and Rush
                 Limbaugh.  One insults the intelligence of the audience.
                 That's why one is a fad that went away in about a year
                 and the other is a respectable news organization. Rush's
                 content is immature and superficial yet aimed at an
                 educated and mature audience.
                 \_ What does that have to do with scorched MOTD?
              \_ you're right.  even idiots need a place to speak their
                 mind.  After all, no one normal in the real world would
                 ever listen to them.
        \_ you're all silly --root
1998/9/18-19 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:14620 Activity:high
9/17    pointless rant deleted
        \_ if you deleted all the pointless rants from the motd, would there
           be anything left? -ERic
           \_ Nothing.  I think it may be time to go back to the old
              Scorched MOTD policy until the new fucks figure out that
              you can't pick and choose what goes on the MOTD.
              Censorship sucks and it cuts both ways so a big happy
              "Fuck you!" to whoever couldn't deal with the truth about
              Billy Boy's problem with the truth.
              \_ there are usually 3 things that go on the motd -
                 announcements, random jokes, and political stuff.  I
                 don't have much of a problem with political stuff
                 unless they show a lack of intelligence and logical
                 reasoning.  You would expect Berkeley students to show
                 more in-depth reasoning than the superficial slanders
                 seen on the motd (i guess there are a lot of eecs
                 students here who don't care much about using their
                 brains for other things besides computers).  So fuck
                 you too to whoever doesn't like using their brains.
                 \_ cat /dev/brain >> /etc/motd.public
                 \_ Ok, I'll grant the other 2 things, but the Scorched MOTD
                    policy is still in effect until further notice.  This is
                    a lesson that needs to be relearned every few semesters.
                    \_ What is the Scorched MOTD policy?
1998/9/17 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:14615 Activity:nil
If you're going to nuke the MOTD, do it right:

         O           __/~*##$%@@@******~\-__
                   /f=r/~_-~ _-_ --_.^-~--\=b\
                 4fF / */  .o  ._-__.__/~-. \*R\
                /fF./  . /- /'~` -  \_  * *\ *\R\
               (iC.I+ '| - *- -@  )\  \  )  ) )|RB
               (I| (  [  / \-__ .   ) )  /_/ | *)B          D
               (I(. \ `` \   \_-/~~/__/ )_ .-~ F/
                \b\\=_.\_b`-+-~x-_/ .. ,._/ , F/
                 ~\_\= =  =-*###%#x==-#  *=- =/
                    ~\**U/~  | i i | ~~~\===~
   M                        | I I \\                     T
                           / // i\ \\
                      (   [ (( I@) )))  )
                           \_\_VYVU_/
                             || * |
                             | *  *\
                            /* /I\ *~~\
                          /~-/*  / \ \ ~~M~\
                ____----=~ // /WVW\* \|\ ***===--___
  \_ Oh my god! You killed MOTD! You bastards!   -- kyle
1998/8/28-31 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:14523 Activity:high
8/28    Is there a motd log?
        \_ not particularly, though certain people log it
           themselves periodically.
        \_If someone has a log of motd before 8/28 deletion(i.e. 8/27'th
        motd. Could you send a copy to me(xkd)? Thanks!
        \_ if you can figure out RCS, take a look at ~mehlhaff/tmp/motd
           You can rlog it and check out whatever version you want to look at.
        \_ huh huh, you said "log"!
           \_ why did I stumble across the /etc/passwd entries in that
              file? (motd,v)
              \_ Why did I stumble across them in /etc/passwd?
              \_  I only archive it, i dont edit it.  -ERic
           \_ I would recommend creating your own directory, symlinking
              the motd,v (so you can pull old motds with simple co -r# motd)
              (remember dates are stored UTC/GMT; use -zlt for local time)
              rlog -zlt -d">Thu Aug 27 00:00:00 1998 LT" motd
                \_ Thank you all very much for the help!!!
1998/8/18 [Reference/BayArea, Academia/Berkeley, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:14481 Activity:nil
8/17    Sorry for my ignorance.  But what happened to the parking
        meters in Berkeley?
        \_ IT'S ALL KEN STARR'S FAULT!!!!1!!  BUT IGNORE IT, AND
           LET SHIRLEY DEAN GET BACK TO THE BUSINESS OF RUNNING
           BERKELEY.
                \_ Starr was investigating my improper relationship with MOTD,
                   too.  That asshole!!!
        \_ Berkeley(tm) realized that they couldn't keep up with
           the vandals so they're gonna replace them with super-duper
           robo-mega-indestructo-meters that can still be ruined with
           bubble gum or a caulk-gun.
        \_ A junior high kid did a school report where she timed the
           meters for accuracy and found that the digital meters are far
           more accurate (only 1 in 10 of the old ones were deemed
           accurate). It made the news and got a lot of publicity, so
           Berkeley is going to replace all their meters with digital
           ones.
        \_ The real answer is they got stolen because the old meters were
           fucked and ripping people off and some good citizen didn't want
           to get fucked anymore so took justice into their own hands.  My
           only regret in my entire life is I wasn't a part of the meter
           theft.  -been roobed by Berkeley meters too many times
           \_ Well, the girl's report actually showed that the meters
              were roobing the city, not the other way around.  You just suck.
1998/8/13 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:14455 Activity:insanely high
8/13 Id like to summarize the motd
   1) insecure soda geeks backhandedly brag about their various
      perceived accomplishments.
   2) soda geeks with bad or nonexistent gpa's try to convince
      themselves and others that they are smart anyway, and correctly
      point out that in order to be a wage slave, an education probably
      doesn't matter anyway.
   3) various technical questions are identified to this asteric: *

   Feel free to re-insert the lift of this projection, but I think this
   adequately preserves the structure of the original conversation.
        \_ In the field of CS, education doesn't mean a whole lot.  I know
           a lot people with sub 3.0 GPA making $75k-$100K/yr with less
           than 3 years in the workplace.  I have 3.5 and I haven't made
           anywhere close to that.
        \_ Neither Gates nor Jobs has a college degree at all, and many
           other rich twinks.

  3) various technical questions are identified to this asteric: *
        \_ What in the hell is this supposed to mean?
           \_ I think that this entire MOTD entry was composed by some kind
              of AI experiment.  (See the sentence asking us to "re-insert
              the lift of this projection" just below.)  Taken in that vein,
              this is pretty respectable -- close enough to natural English
              that you might believe there's some kind of human behind the
              words.

   Feel free to re-insert the lift of this projection, but I think this
   adequately preserves the structure of the original conversation.
   \_ You forgot "various soda geeks indirectly display their lack of
      command of the English language"
      \_ Not to mention "self-inflated soda geeks attempt to show off
         their percieved dry wit and sense of humor"
        \_ Better yet:
           "the CSUA: various geeks huff and puff and strut their
           stuff, full of sound and fury and signifying pomp and
           tomfoolery." - tpc
           \_ It is a motd told by an idiot.
      \_ What about: "MOTD-killing soda champions leave behind only
         URL's to cheesier-than-YANK magazine websites?"
1998/7/27 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:14399 Activity:moderate
7/27    Mommy, where's the old motd?
        \_ The old motd can't live here any more, honey.
1998/7/8-10 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:14301 Activity:low
7/7  what is all that crap in the official motd about routing mail?
     \_ If you currently use soda as an smtp server, it'll stop working
        unless you're in berkeley or you are only sending mail to soda.
        \_ out of curiousity, what were the reasons that this change was
           made? prevent others from leeching resources?
           \_ To stop spam relaying.
              \_ And thus keep soda off of the RBL.
                \_ what is RBL?
                        \_ The black list discussed in the bottom half of the
                           motd  [formatting corrected. -Format Master]
                   \_ I have not now, nor have I ever, been a member of
                      Organization X.
                \_ To stop the several hundred complaints sent to
                        postmaster@berkeley.edu & abuse@berkeley.edu in the
                        last few days since some spammer discovered we relayed.
                   \_ Question: since this is supposed to be run by various
                      super clued security minded people, how come we were
                      relaying in the first place?
                        \_ convience to soda users?
                      \_ because some of our 'super-clued' but perhaps less
                         'security minded' people decided the convenience of
                         supporting users with their POP mailers coming from
                         random ISP's would be better and bring less complaint
                         hassles to root@soda.  -ERic
        \_How is this supposed to prevent "security problems",
          it sounds stupid.
                \_ It doesn't.  It prevents spammers from using soda to
                   spam the world, and prevents root from getting flooded
                   with mail complaints every time spammers do.  (Which
                   has happened lately - this isn't theoretical.)
          \_ It only sounds stupid, because you don't have a clue.
                \_ I went to the clue farm yesterday and bought a new born
                   clue.  I'm starting my own herd.
                        \_ You couldn't catch a clue if you covered yourself
                           in clue musk and stood in a field of horny clues
                           in the middle of clue mating season.
                           \_ That's why I'm starting my own clue herd with
                              some clue I bought at the clue farm.  No
                              catching required.
                                \_ Hey, that sounds like a clue... where can
                                   I get one?  How much do they cost?  URL?
1998/7/7 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:14297 Activity:nil
7/7 Where's the fucking man page??
    \_ RTFM.
        Excerpt from /csua/chare/doc/FAQ -
        12. You keep telling me to "man" things. What are you talking about?
       "man" is short for "manual". "man foo" means "show me the manual
       entry on foo". Type "man rtfm" for a sample manpage.
                http://soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU% man rtfm
                No manual entry for rtfm
                \_ what is rtfm?
                    \_ Why don't you read the fucking manual!!!
                \_ lost with the old csua motd man page in the transition
                        to new soda
                    \_ why not create a new one?
                        \_ Because *you* haven't done it yet, dumbshit.
                           We're waiting for you to do it.
        \_ in your .cshrc file add a setenv MANPATH to include
           /usr/share/man, /usr/X11/man, and /csua/man.  Or you could
           just delete the line and see if it will inherit the path.
                \_ WON'T HELP - THERE IS NO RTFM MAN PAGE IN ANY OF THOSE
                        \_ It may not help you access the nonexistent rtfm
                           manpage, but it will let you access the motd one
                           and various others.  I highly recommend NOT setting
                           MANPATH in your .cshrc.
                           \_ Why not?
                   \_ At the risk of being blunt,
                      Read
                      The
                      Fucking
                        \_ Fine
                      Manpage
                        \_ Manual
1998/7/7 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:14294 Activity:insanely high
7/7 Where's the fucking man page??
        Excerpt from /csua/chare/doc/FAQ -
        12. You keep telling me to "man" things. What are you talking about?
       "man" is short for "manual". "man foo" means "show me the manual
       entry on foo". Type "man rtfm" for a sample manpage.
                http://soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU% man rtfm
                No manual entry for rtfm
                \_ what is rtfm?
                    \_ Why don't you read the fucking manual!!!
                \_ lost with the old csua motd man page in the transition
                        to new soda
                    \_ why not create a new one?
                        \_ Because *you* haven't done it yet, dumbshit.
                           We're waiting for you to do it.
        \_ in your .cshrc file add a setenv MANPATH to include
           /usr/share/man, /usr/X11/man, and /csua/man.  Or you could
           just delete the line and see if it will inherit the path.
                \_ WON'T HELP - THERE IS NO RTFM MAN PAGE IN ANY OF THOSE
                        \_ It may not help you access the nonexistent rtfm
                           manpage, but it will let you access the motd one
                           and various others.  I highly recommend NOT setting
                           MANPATH in your .cshrc.
1998/6/30 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:14277 Activity:nil
6/30    Who wiped out the motd.  You know, I think there should be an
        motd greatest hits collection somewhere.
        \_ alt.motd
1998/5/29-30 [Recreation/Food, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:14156 Activity:high 50%like:14602
5/28  job available at veritas doing testing for volume manager group.
      see /csua/pub/jobs/veritas.     -lila
      \_ "if you can avoid overdoing it on free soda, candy, and microwave
          popcorn" ... ARGH! Hey look, just pay me more.  I'll buy my own
          junk food, I promise.  Try, "we don't give you free food as an
          incentive to get you to work for lower pay".
          \_ finally.  people starting to get it.  Tho I bet you arent
            a newbie ;-)
                \_ You're right, I'm not.  If I can help even one person
                   see the truth, then I've done something good for the
                   world that day.
          \_ i never claimed the "free" food was a benefit...  :)  -lila
                \_ I'll refrain from smashing you since this pretty minor
                   but I will say that if its in the job description and
                   its clearly a selling point for the company then you
                   _are_ listing it as a benefit no matter what you call
                   it.   -feeling only slightly testy late friday
                   \_ you seem to have missed the "if you can avoid" part
                      of my statement.  i actually put that in only in
                      response to the recent motd discussion regarding
                      food at work.  but whatever.      -lila
                        \_ Good try.
1998/5/13 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:14092 Activity:kinda low
5/13     To the person erased all the messages yesterday-- because you are so
         hotheaded that you think your opinion weighs more than ours, NO
         MESSAGE WILL BE POSTED TODAY!!!!!!!!!!!!! I rather die than to be
         controlled by a Soda naxi censorer.
         \_ What's a naxi?  And if your life is so pathetic that you're
            going to spend all day monitoring the motd, maybe you
            _should_ die.
         \_ So you are going to become the Soda naxi censorer yourself.
         \_ One message, and three responses so far!  You're slipping!
         \_ Still, why don't people delete things FIFO, rather than purging
            the whole thing?  (Four responses.)
         \_ bah fuk you all i say nuke it every once in a while.. -shac
         \_ Poopyhead.
1998/5/11-12 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:14078 Activity:high
5/8     earn 25 bucks participating in CS research experiment.
        ~jon/pub/25bucks
        \_ I would have something to say about this thread but I took my
           prozac today.
        \_ I usually cost significantly more than 25 bucks.
          \_ No matter how you disguise it, its still illegal in this state.
                \_ So is smoking pot for non-medical uses but that never
                   stopped anyone.  So is driving under the influence.  So
                   is drinking alcohol under 21.  So is sex under 18.  So
                   are a whole bunch of other vices.  Your point is what?
                  \_ So legalize it!  If its a legal occupation, women can
                     sue if some guy attempts to kill her.  Morality is
                     another question...
                  \_ Legalize everything!  What kinda conservative uptight
                     police state are we living in anyway.  Big Brother is
                     ALWAYS watching.  Clipper Chips are in everything we own,
                     even yer calculator is tapped.  - CSUA Anarchist
                     \_ So if I multiply two subversive numbers, the government
                        will find out?  - another CSUA anarchist
                \_ it's only illegal if you get caught.
                  \_ it's only punishable if you get caught, it's still
                     illegal.  -CSUA Legal Assistance
                     \_ /etc/motd for CSUA Student Advocate!
                   \_it's only punishable if it's illegal.
                     \_ Ill Eagle - Some Government Dude
                     \_ The idea is that you break the law (commit an illegal
                        act) and the consequence is punishment.  What are you
                        trying to get at?
                        \_ doosh
1998/5/4-6 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:14044 Activity:low
5/4     So is our email address
        ddd@soda
        ddd@csua
        ddd@soda.csua
        which one is the 'official' one?
        \_ officially we are at either csua or soda.csua (csua points
           to soda.csua).  soda was supposed to go away long ago, but
           no one seems to have gotten around to purging it yet.
                \_ I hope no one gets around to it soon.  I have told too
                   many people to just write to username@soda.
                   \_ you're an idiot.
                        \_ Yes, nerd. Obviously, like.
                          \_ Isn't calling someone a nerd on the MOTD a bit
                             hypocritical?
1998/5/1 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:14032 Activity:very high
5/1     Please remember to date your inane statements.  Thank you.

Just because you disagree with issues on motd doesn't mean you have the
right to wipe it out. Berkeley thrives on diversity, and if you can't
handle diversity, then fuck off.
\_ COALITION TO TROLL THE MOTD BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY
   Equal rights for idiots _NOW_!
\_ actually, who doesn't have the right to nuke the MOTD?
   unix security says it's ok...
\_ If we don't regularly nuke the motd, it would be 50 pages long within
   a week.
1998/4/19 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:13983 Activity:nil 80%like:13761
04/18   way outdated motd nuked
        \_OH MY GOD! THEY KILLED THE MOTD!! YOU BASTARDS!
1998/4/7 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:13910 Activity:moderate
4/6     I am doing a paper on women who previously used the Internet but
        are now disgusted by it.  Would someone please post the list
        of women who have left soda due to disgust?  Thanks.
        \_ So they can be further bothered by some soda twits?  Good idea.
        \_ I'm doing a paper on people who make up bullshit topics for
           worthless papers good for worthless credit towards a worthless
           degree at an otherwise decent university.  Can someone post the
           list of people who have left soda due to worthlessness?
           \_ I'm doing a paper on dumbasses who don't put their comments
              below all the comments already added.
                \_ Uh oh, clearly I've violated your sense of motd ethics
                   and proper posting methods.  I'm sure this is an issue of
                   such great importance that you should bring up the issue
                   at the next meeting for a Constitutional change.  You could
                   make a rule that _requires_ all new motd entries to follow
                   all previous motd entries and then we could have the new
                   elected position of MOTD Gh0d who would enforce this and
                   also make sure that all new members read the MOTD POSTING
                   FAQ.  In case you missed it, I'm insulting you for being
                   an anal retentive prick.
                   \_ People like you should learn some manners --
                      They know about an unwritten rule, flout it out of
                      selfishness, and criticize people who support otherwise
                      polite and appropriate etiquette. -someone else
        \_ I'm doing a apper on sheep who previously used the Internet but
           are now disgusted by it.  Would someone please post the list
           of sheep who have left soda due to disgust?  Thanks.
           \_ I am doing a sheep and would like to post pictures of it.
              Thanks.
              \_ the sheep im doing posted pictures and Id like to get
                copies.  How do I do this?
                \_ HAHAHAAHAHHAAHAHAH <cough> <gasp>  Sorry, maybe it wasn't
                   funny but it's late and I'm tired.
1998/4/3 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:13894 Activity:nil
4/2     The prospect of an empty motd.public was too terrifying to contemplate.
        Rather than restore a worthless motd from last week like any number of
        soda idiots might, I'm starting a new one.  Please note that I've made
        certain that this new and improved motd has no more content than the
        last one which someone else deleted.   -motd addict
1998/3/24-27 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:13855 Activity:moderate
3/24    Obligatory monthly request for decent ISP.  I'm in San Ramon.
        I'd like a decent 33.6 connection.  I don't care about web space,
        shell access, etc.  I just want clean net to Berkeley and the
        rest of the world.  A few bucks this way or that isn't important.
        \_check out LanMinds (<DEAD>www.lanminds.com)--they're<DEAD> quite good.
          (And their dialup number in San Ramon is 510-557-0601.)   --icrew
          LanMinds sucks!!!!!!!! took like THREE F*CKING days to get
          our ISDN connection back up after that power outage last month
          and when we first got our ISDN connection, we asked them what
          our SPID was and they said "What's that?"
        \_ You will NEVER get a clean connection to Berkeley due to Sprintnet.
           Get a clue, STUPID.
                \_ uh, I ftp from soda at over a hundred kb/sec. Seems pretty
                   clean to me. -- <DEAD>Mr.way-outside-of-berkeley.edu<DEAD>-domain
                   \_ But isn't it FUN to use AGGRESSIVE CAPITALIZATION and
                      call people STUPID, especially when you're being
                      ANONYMOUS???!???  I LOVE the SODA MOTD!!!!
                        \_ just a few bad apples set the tone for the motd.
                           we will nice them to death!!
                      \_ Be quiet rachel
          \_ Hmmm.. ok, service sucks but is the net connection good
             otherwise?
             \_ It would be, except they're clueless idiots and ended up
                actually slowing down their net connection through
                incompetence.
                \_ Implying that incompetence might have sped it up?  -pld
1998/3/18-19 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd, Academia/StanfUrd] UID:13831 Activity:moderate
3/18    Anyone have a working Sparc 1+ keyboard that I can have?
        It's for a University machine.  --PeterM
        \_ The Univeristy treated me like dirt, why should I donate anything
           back? Long lines, redbook, frustration, impersonal professors, you
           name it. If I'm going to donate, I'd rather donate to Stanford,
           where my future kids would have much more creative opportunities. -FU
           \_ strong words from someone who is still using University
              resources after graduating.  I'll see what I can do about
              garnering a keyboard for a Sparc 1+, but don't hold your
              breath as surplus keyboards have a short half-life. -mel
                \_ One's use of University resources has no bearing on how one
                   might feel after being properly abused at Cal.  Should this
                   person be grateful for their suffering at Cal because after
                   wards, they have access to the soda motd?
                   \_ Actually, "this person" should be taken out into the
                      street and beaten to death for being a fucking whiner.
                      I enjoyed my time spent at Cal and appreciate the
                      education I received there.  I don't feel like I was
                      particularly abused, exploited, or forced to suffer;
                      maybe "FU" was exposed to "real life" for once and
                      mistook it for "suffering" (and yes, I got my degree in
                      EECS, not holistic basketweaving, or business, or
                      something like that . . . )
                \_ Actually, I don't mind donating to CSUA-- the only worthwhile
                   donation for Cal                                     -FU
                \_ Fuck you, Mel, you little greasy prick.
1998/3/18-19 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:13829 Activity:nil
3/18    "3/17   \_ THANK YOU!!! Soda motd is my window to wisdom!!!"
        \_ This is truly frightening.  Taste the fear.
1998/3/4-5 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:13761 Activity:very high 80%like:13983 80%like:14293
03/04   motd nuked
        \_ Awaiting the fallout...
        \_ Cool! - #1 Motd Anti-Fan
                \_ If you were with it, you know that you can't combine
                   fandom, a positive, with anti-anything, a negative.
                   \_ This makes absolutely no logical sense.
                        \_ Obviously you're not with it.  End of story.
        \_ Bastard [...]
                \_ try again. --#2 psb fan
                        \_ aw, I missed it.  What'd he say?  -psb #1 Fan
                                \-yeah, what did i say? --OTPSB
        \_ Bastard motherfucker smallminded bastard censor fascist pig.  When
           the brownshirted dictator oppressors come to your house to round
           _you_ up and take you to the death camp for daring to think thoughts
           that _they_ found unacceptable, don't expect me to cry for you,
           bastard.  Rather, I'll spit on your cold, unmarked grave.
           Remember that the long slow slide toward complete erosion of our
           personal freedom of expression started right here, right now, today
           with the smallminded censors of the glorious soda wall.
           \_ i.e. you suck?
1998/2/21 [Reference/Tax, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:13712 Activity:nil
2/20    All of you people with tax questions:  Are you insane?  You're asking
        for legal advice on the soda MOTD?!?  If you take someone's advice
        on the MOTD and they're wrong, and you get audited, you're *FUCKED*!
        Don't be cheap.  Go pay a few bucks to someone licensed and trained
        in these matters.
1998/1/29 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:13594 Activity:high
1/28    Hey! Who nuked the motd@!
        \_ As if they'd tell you and as if it matters anyway.
        \_ I did it.
                \_ no, i did.
                        \_ You're both liars.  It committed suicide.
                \_ The motd deserved it
1997/5/15 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:32145 Activity:nil
5/14    According to the "OFFICIAL" motd, the T-shirts "will arrive" by
        last week.  Anyone have an update for us?  I can't be cool without
        my Spring '97 CSUA t-shirt.
        \_ The shirts are ready, and they will arrive as soon as someone
           drives me down to Inky Fingers, which could be as early as
           Thursday, 15 May.  -- The Secretary
1997/5/15 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:32142 Activity:nil
-- MOTD from http://soda.csua.berkeley.edu
1997/1/6 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd, Politics/Domestic/California] UID:32029 Activity:nil
1/4     The recent devastating Flood is the God's way to punish us for
        passing Proposition 215.
        \_ Um, actually, the rain was my fault.  My weather maker
           experienced a power surge while in the monsoon testing
           mode.  Sorry about that, won't happen again. - scotsman
        \_ Stupid motd entries are God's way to punish us for not having
           stricter entrance requirements for UC Berkeley.  -JOhn
        \_ Oh boy somebody has a direct line to God. Ask him/her if we are
           in for anymore disaters.
           \_ Oops, I don't think it was wise of me to taunt him. I am now
              a proud owner of a bong with a broken carb that's going
              to cost me big time to replace. So beware of any taunting
           \_ Yes.  -The High Almighty
        \_ Excuse me sir, it's a collect call from God, he says there
           should be more intelligence at Berkeley
        \_ Didn't this say prop 209 yesterday?
           \_ No, it's always said that.  Smokers in the State are trying
              to fool you!
           \_ For the record, it was 209. Who gives a shit about 212?
           \_ I originally put 209 (CCRI) there but some dumbass changed
              it.  You should not change someone's words just because you
              can't handle them.
              \_ You should not expect an entry in a world writable file
          to remain 2.
1996/10/6 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:31919 Activity:nil 52%like:31923
10/3    Jobs belong in /usr/local/csua/jobs duuuudes. HotWired has a
        bunch there too :-) -ausman
        \_ You too can become the tool of the so called new media.
          \_ Easy to say while going to school and getting finanial aid.
             You have a better job that pays your rent and lets you live
             reasonably well in the real world?  Let us know about the job
         \_ As a matter of fact, I do have a better job that pays
            my rent and lets me live better than reasonably well.
            If you're in it for the money, HotWired isn't the place
            to go.
             market after you graduate and are wondering what to do with
             your excessively idealistic self.  A *big* thanks to _everyone_
             who is posting jobs in the motd and in .../csua/jobs.
         \_ This is not a path.
             No wonder you're unemployed!
             \_ No duh.  You obviously
             figured out it was shorthand
             for the full path. You *did*
             figure that out, right? And
             no, I'm not unemployed.
1996/9/15 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:31891 Activity:nil
9/10    Positions open at LucasArts.  Look in /usr/local/csua/jobs/LucasArts
        for: 3D_Tools_Programmer Games_Programmer Level_Designer.  Don't
        blame me for the hokiness.  -mogul

(mail from nweaver to csua@csua)

        Soda, for a considerable time, has maintained a hostile online
environment.  I do not care to comment more on soda's "traditions",
but I have observed that the soda environment is affecting me.  I have
grown increasingly hostile online, and this trend is disturbing.
Several times in the past I've tried to moderate my online behavior,
without success.

        Therefore, I am terminating my soda account, removing myself
from csua@csua, and severing all other ties to the online portion of
the Computer Science Undergraduate Association.  I expect these
connections will never be restored.

                                Nicholas C Weaver

        You should not leave. I agreed that sometimes the posting on
MOTD and WALL is quite offensive. But I suggest you to take a more
proactive approach -- instead of letting the soda online environment
affect you, why don't you do something to change it?! I really think
we should stop the flamming and use of dirty language in MOTD and
WALLING!  -bkong
        \_ If you are not a cower, leave your name here! what a cower!
        \_ Yer mom!
        \_ I PARTIED WITH NICK WEAVER!!!!!
        \_ I raved with Nick Weaver
        \_ I listened to Nick Weaver's lab partners ask me if it would be
           acceptable to throttle him.  -John
        \_ I broke supermagnets in Nick Weavers kitchen, with Nick Weaver- danh
        \_ I reported Nick Weaver to the OSC - ikiru
        \_ I went to Bondage-A-Go-Go with Nick Weaver
         \_ I went goth dancing with Nick Weaver
        \_ I was in 'Nam with Nick Weaver
        \_ I partied with Nick Weaver in CS150.
        \_ I party with nick weaver in cs150 all the time now.
        \_ I made special brownies with Nick Weaver
\_  AHA!!  So CSUA is the culprit!  Boy, I always knew it!  I admit that I
have been growing increasingly hostile online as well, especially on some
e-mail mailing lists.  When I was a newbie I was really nice, and then I'm
not, and I couldn't for the life of me figure out why I changed.  Little
did I realize that after every login, the motd would fly into my eyes and
burn in my brain, subconsciously, of course, so that when I would check my
mail, I would respond with such venom in order to release the negative
energies pent up by said motd.  I forget how not to show the motd upon
login, sigh..  --pcjr
        \_ yer _still_ a newbie, ya twit.
        \_ next time i will get big gnarly dudes to mug pcjr - danh
        \_ I'll do it  --Mongo
\_ If this is a prank, it is a great one. I think that soda encourages every
member of the community to understand each others behavior. When you begin to
understand the inherent contradictions in the world, you become less two
dimensional and less "nice" because nice is not so clear anymore. Growing
up is a painful thing to do, but I encourage it. -ausman
\_ this message brought to you by a guy who dreams of having sex
          with a search engine - danh
\_ PHUQING PHOLLOW YER OWN ADVICE PHIRST, REMO.  --HAM
\_ oh Dennis, there you go again bringing class into it. -ali (or something)
I'm very happy that nick is leaving. He is an idiot and should figure out
how to change his personality and learn how to treat his friends.
\_ If you have guts, leave your login name! Don't just flame people.
          Everyone's learning and it's pointless to call other people idiot
          while you are learning yourself also.  - ivy
        \_ Nick is hardly an idiot.  He is socially inept, often rude, and
           sometimes annoying, but he is certainly not an idiot.  As such
           I think he would make a good employee, though not much of a friend.
           \ i am good worker drone.
         \_ good employees can talk to people, i.e. are socially adept
             \_ Sheesh.  No wonder Nick wants to get away from the CSUA.
         With a defense like that...  I like Nick a great deal,
                actually.  And yes, he is very smart.  -brandy
         \_ He may not be an idiot, but he's definitely a twink.
             \_ I didn't like Nick, but I like him a lot more now that he
         has made this statement. Ausman: What "nice" is seems very
                clear to me. It means not insulting people constantly for
                no reason. It means not doing things that can hurt other
                people's feelings. Here's another vote against all the flaming.
                             -kanon
              \_ Fuck you. -John

Comment on the whole thread:  I'm sure nick is really sorry to leave
behind so many compassionate and understanding friends of his, who
never use curse words treat people with respect, and never, never
write anything mean or childish in the motd.  -PeterM

I think nick found a gurl.
\_ maybe he found a guy!
\_ maybe he bought a snazzy sports car, or took up netrek or something

Nick had another choice.... he could have simply avoided reading the walls
        \_ Nick had choice or choice had Nick ? Inq. minds want to know.
        \_ another choice ?! Oh shit...
and only checked out the motd now and then to keep up with events in general.
There's nothing that says anyone has to be involved directly with the online
crap on a daily basis just because they have a soda account.  I think Nick's
decision was way overblown.  Posting to the motd was just a dramatic gesture
he knew was bound to start the sort of flame war he claims he is trying to
avoid in his own life.  The whole thing is really ridiculous.  The wall thing
is ridiculous.  The logs are ridiculous.  People trying to squish each other
over nothing all the time is ridiculous.  A public motd is ridiculous.
I doubt it will happen, but the CSUA needs to think seriously about what sort
of .org it wants to be and then actually do something towards that end.  The
current CSUA is extremely random and undirected.  Despite what some may think,
chaos is *not* a good thing.  Similarly, people who post things
in contradiction to the politburo should be squished.  All citizens
of the US should carry passes at all times and their homes should
be subject to search.  All files should be inspected and if the owner
cannot prove that the files are for the good of the state they should be
shot.  CSUA is not a club for the enjoyment of its users, it is an
institution and should be respected and feared.  The master race will
rule the world.

soda is an experimetn in anarchy. fuck off -cypherpunk

Soda is a piece of hardware and old hardware at that.  Save yourself.

-- It looks like a bathouse 'cause it's tiled and green
          SO-SO-SODA, S-O-D-A SODA, SO-SO-SO-SO-SODAAA --
         (kane)

Soda is my personal kingdom, full of my undying slaves condemned
to server me as the eternal undead. - danh
\_ Happy happy haiku.
        Blustering blow hole
        snoozing with the buffalo
        nonsensical pencil

"What about guns?  When do we get guns?"
1996/7/24 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:31870 Activity:nil
7/23    If you would like to see the CSUA not give away a nice new machine
        that would make a *MUCH* better and *MUCH* more reliable web server
        than the current very broken machine being used for these services,
        mail politburo@csua and say "Don't give the new web server away!"
        \_ I think the csua has plenty of machines, but
           most of them are crap I wouldn't inflict on anyone. -danh
        \_Or, consider actually  finding out what's going on before doing
          something you really don't know much about.
         \_ so post the mail to http://ucb.org.csua or a /usr/local/csua
          file so people CAN find out about it
        \_ Better yet, attend the sunday politburo meeting.
         \_ Maybe it should be announced so people know about it
            (and people are much more likely to show up if you tell
             them what's going to be discussed so they know it's not
             just a "sit around and waste time" meeting)
          \_ but all politburo meetings are a waste of time!
        \_ I've been reading the Motd for years, and in all that time I've
           never read anything that has pissed me off enough to waste
           other peoples time by adding to the Motd.  The proposed alternate
           use of the computer in question is a good one, worthy of CSUA
           support.  If somone feels that CSUA members should not support
           this position there are appropriate forums (as explained above).
           Asking CSUA members to mail politburo in support of a position
           without even attempting to explain it is insulting to us all.
           WE ARE NOT SHEEP! -diran
           \_ baaaaa
        \_ And mail stoptien@asucb.org while you're at it!!!!1!!!!1!!!
           WE SHALL NOT BE OPPRESSED!!1!!!
        \_ I find it really weird that the CSUA wouldn't want to have such
           a nice solid machine for their own use.  I can throw in an extra
           6 gigs of disk and have the machine at the CSUA anytime you're
           ready for it.  We used to use it as a file server and as a CPU
           server at a different time.  It should easily handle all the
           ftp, DNS, www, and file serving functions of the csua.  Why
           is the csua trying to bite the hands that feed it?  This is the
           third donation from us, if you don't need this machine, then you
           won't need the 4th, 5th, 6th, etc donations either, I'd guess.
           Maybe its just because this is summer, but this isn't the sort
           of reaction I expected.  (I certainly did *not* intend for this
           to turn into a csua flame war, sorry about that.)  -reiffin
         \_ never underestimate the shortsightedness & stupidity
          of the csua
1994/12/15 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:31670 Activity:nil
12/15   Today, Eva Allen <eva@tekelec.com> wrote in article
        <3cphng$b9j@getty.tekelec.com> on alt.motd:

          Second, colnet should continue posting.  If you don't like what
          colnet posts, don't read it.  There's no need to abuse the Internet
          when the folks at colnet are clearly following the intent of this
          newsgroup while the folks at Berkeley in general clearly are not.

        Sheesh.  Some people.  alt.motd was _created_ by people
        at Berkeley (I think I was one of them, can't remember) for
        precisely the purpose of posting soda's motd to the
        Net at large.  These Colnet bozos are just late-coming
        interlopers. --dpassage
1994/12/8 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:31658 Activity:nil
How about a motd-poll:

== Which motd is better?

A) http://soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU
B) http://colnet.cmhnet.org

== Where can you go for con-wall-sations?

A) http://soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU (telnet port 9255 or finger lwall)
B) http://colnet.cmhnet.org

== Who has danh?

A) http://soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU
B) http://colnet.cmhnet.org

== Who has a proper name record?

A) Server:  http://nexus.EECS.Berkeley.EDU
Address:  128.32.138.82

Non-authoritative answer:
Name:    http://soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU
Address:  128.32.43.52

B) Server:  http://nexus.EECS.Berkeley.EDU
Address:  128.32.138.82

*** No address (A) records available for http://colnet.cmhnet.org

== Which is the most abused program at colnet?

A) fortune | pnews
B) gcc

== Which is the most abused program at soda?

A) wallall
B) sed

== ?

A) psb
B) !psb

== foodP

A) #t
B) #f

== Which is more GNAR, SHORT FOR GNARLY?

A) http://soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU
B) colnet

Score: 1 point for each A answer, -1 for each B answer,
0 for each left blank.

Scale:     >9 : you need a remedial math course
         =9 : WALL_WARRIOR! WALL_WARRIOR!
         =8 : echo `whoami` is abusing root\!
         =7 : Dynix Object Oriented SHell
         =6 : spam?
         =5 : mlee has a hot and inflamed bootie
         =4 : try again, bchoi
         =3 : What? Soda's down again?
         =2 : coganman. `nuff said.
         =1 : ronk ronk ronk
         =0 : bitter, dour old naysayer. "Doosh"
         =-1 : twink
         =-2 : twink++
         =-3 : achoi
         =-4 : dickyleeP
         =-5 : ObYerMom
         =-6 : Do not pass go, do not recieve fin. aid.
         =-7 : cs150
         =-8 : finals
         =-9 : IS&T

All scores > 5 get a free packet of SECRET SAUCE.

Contact dennisc for more info.
1994/11/11 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:31653 Activity:nil
11/11   In the past, people have requested, in the motd, a listing
        of the CSUA machines, with descriptions; soon after a machine list
        is posted to the motd.  I was thinking it would be useful to
        maintain this list in $csua/machines, so the next time somebody
        asks they can be directed to this file.   --agee
1994/3/20 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd, Recreation/Dating] UID:31539 Activity:nil
3/19    I am looking for a female friend.  Might lead to a closer
        relationship (gf???).  Interested???  Post your name here.
           |     \_ try signing your name, and then all the Super Models on
           |        soda whould know who to mail.
           \__ obGetALifeKChang
        \_Get a clue instead.
        \_You really ought to just have the guts to say:
          "I'm single, would any girls on soda like to have lunch
           sometime?" I mean, like anyone is going to post a response
           so a cloud of soda geeks descends on her. --aaron
        \_Are you serious?  Someone on soda?  You need help.
          \_ Hey, some very nice people on soda!
            \_ There are some nice people here, but the motd is NOT the place
        to go looking for babes (except aaron). - seidl
        \_Who cares about all the comments above?  What's important is that
           there won't be any kind of reply that the original poster wishes
           for.  If there is, I'll be a *&#^@$.
        \_ I'll go out with you! The first blowjob is free. You're gong to
           have to pay for the rest though. -yermom
1994/3/10 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:31528 Activity:nil 75%like:31526
3/9     Weapons-grade Ukrainium-235, in the form of Ukrainium Hexafluoride gas,
        is available to anyone who can afford it.  Please mail nukes@soda
        for more details.
        \_ Ukrainium Hexafluoride? Isn't that the stuff in my toothpaste? -ali
        \_ This doesn't belong in the motd. please post to the
           appropriate newsgroup.
                \_ like alt.terroist?
           \_ This doesn't belong in the motd. please post to the
              appropriate newsgroup.
                \_ This is soda. *Everything* belongs in the motd.
                \_ one word: cesium
        \_ Can I have some?  My gonads have been KILLING me recently.
1994/3/10 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:31525 Activity:insanely high
3/9     Please don't nuke the motd.
        \_ Please don't put 1000+ lines in the motd saying "I'm a hoser"
                \_ Why not?
          \_ Imah0zer.
            \_ yes "I am a hozer" > /etc/motd.public
          \_ 1000+ lines in the motd saying "I'm a hoser"
             1000+ lines in the motd saying "I'm a hoser"
             1000+ lines in the motd saying "I'm a hoser"
             1000+ lines in the motd saying "I'm a hoser"
             1000+ lines in the motd saying "I'm a hoser"
             1000+ lines in the motd saying "I'm a hoser"
             1000+ lines in the motd saying "I'm a hoser"
             \_ no that would be:
          yes "1000+ lines in the motd saying "I'm a hoser"" >/etc/motd.public
                \_ This line won't even come close to working.
                        Get a clue.
1994/3/10 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:31521 Activity:high
3/10    New hoser on the Motd and Soda by the name Zok has arrived.  Hi
        Ali (he who dances in front of Evans naked), tmonroe (he who
        must post to the Motd at least once a day, Aaron (he who is nice
        about soda), and Heather (she who is an irc junkie).
         \_ Who the hell are you, and how did you find about this?
            Does that mean I need to go under the FBI's protection program???
                \_ Stop deulding yourself and admit that everyone knows.
        must post to the Motd at least once a day, Aaron (he who is nice
        about soda), and Heather (she who is an irc junkie).
                \_ Hmmm....methinks that jsl may actually be posting here!
                   But this is only an unconfirmed report... -- tmonroe
1994/3/6-7 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:31504 Activity:insanely high
3/5     NAMBLA now has an entire copy of the SUN service manuals.  Big CSUA
        points to boss and retnuh for helping me copy them.  -eric
        \ What's NAMBLA?
        \_ Uh, do we have any suns???
           \_ How could you not know that weve got several suns in the office!?
             \_  Because they look like scrap parts. Do I have account on them?
          \_ what a typical CSUA
              h0zer attitude!
        Quick Clues for the Clueless:
        1) This is the public motd.  Everything in it is suspect, including
           this statement.
        2) if anyone tells you to use the "chsh" or "rm" command make sure
           you know what the command does first.
        3) Type "man chsh".  This will show the MANual entry.  For that
           matter, use the man command before asking stupid questions.
           People on soda tend to flame stupid questions.
        4) There is no such thing as a stupid question.
        5) There is only Zuul.
        6) This whole thing will probably be deleted/flamed
           within 5 minutes.  This is typical.
        7) That is all.  You will be tested.
        8) ARGH!  not another test!
        9) Go back and read number one.
        \_ you forgot to tell them what "yer mom" is
         \_ I got yermom right here pal
        \_ you also forgot about cows.
           \_you hypocrites, does your mother know where you are?
         \_ go away kchang
1993/12/12 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:31445 Activity:nil
This motd, from http://soda.berkeley.edu, is fairly old, but, like fine whisky, a
motd must be aged before it can be posted.  And whoever asserted that he was
too sexy for my cat is so far off from reality, unreality, surreality,
subreality, etc, that he had better hope he never even contemplates meeting
my cat, who is currently hanging out in a gay sushi bar in R_______k.

e

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           Welcome to the CSUA
            Message of the Day
1993/11/18 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:31432 Activity:nil
11/17   NAFTA wins! It would be nice if the Bears could do the same Saturday.
        \_ It ain't over till the senate fillibuster ends!
        \_ Who are they playing?
           \_ The Stanford Cauliflowers.
        \_ Are you talking about Cal? GOOD LUCK!!!
        \_ What time is the bonfire at the Greek Theatre on Friday? -sky
        \_ How long has it been since the Bears won?  10 years???
         \-1986 was last win, if memory serves. --psb
          \_ wasn't that your sophomore year?
           \-no.
         \_ It was his Junior year.
           \_ His 1st year at Cal.  Don't remember
              whether he was a "true" freshman.
           psb:you know you've arrived when you are a motd thread.-\
         \_ Didn't we tie once around 1990?
           \-yes, but not what the question asked.
          \_ we were robbed. -karlb
        \_ But how long til Ross Perot's ego comes off the injured list?
         \_ Right after I come off yer mom.
           \_ Watch it, you might get sucked in
          \_ ewww
1993/10/11 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:31412 Activity:nil
10/32   Generic MOTD post
1993/8/30 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:31387 Activity:nil
8/28    Will there be any UNIX session for beginner and advance people
        like previous semester?  When and where will be?
        \_ Most likely.  It's not scheduled yet.  When it is scheduled,
           it will be in the motd.
            \- Cool.  Another example of CSUA ineptdness.  Has root
        messed up anything new toady?
        \_ No, it won't happen. You idiots don't deserve the effort.
        \- Another brilliant example of soda-user-stupidity.
           No wonder the CSUA, OCF, & XCF are all haivng problems
           trying to find enough people willing to put up with
           this crap and get help seessions put on.  Get up there
           and help or shut up.  The politburo is not the CSUA,
           all of us are.  Please come back when you get a clue.
           \- The CSUA politburo forms are elected representitives,
              the people that we elect to take care of the
              activities of the ourganization.  Thus, it is
              their fault that the help sesssions are not
              ourganized.  If they had been efficient enough
              to actually ask HELP, then you're argument would
              be valid, if I was not helping, but they did not,
              so you are not.
              \- And please note that only now afte rI have
          made fools of them does the politburo ask for
          aids.  Who are these people we elected?
          \_ actually, most of them were appointed after
             prior hozers resigned. Got a problem, run at
             the next election.  CSUA's got a longstanding
             tradition of whining and whining, but when
             given the opportunity of doing something about
             it, silence...
1993/6/15-17 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:31358 Activity:high 50%like:31337
6/15    The first CSUA Bike Ride be this Saturday, 6/19, leaving Evans
        at 10:00 AM.  Mail tom@soda if you want more information, and
        stop valspeaking the damn MOTD, it stopped being amusing for most
        of us around the time we reached puberty.
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