00/00   The motd was so completely stripped of any interesting threads by our
        local nerderific censor that it seemed better to just clear the entire
        thing and try again rather than attempt to resuscitate that pathetic
        excuse for a motd.  It had to be destroyed in order to be saved.
        \_ yermom
        \_ yermom           \_ HOLMOE!!!
        \_ Isn't there a policy allwoing squish-age for repeated munging
           of the motd (referring to the censor not the euthaniser)?
           \_ Go squish the motd censor.  It's not like half of us don't know
              exactly who it is.
Login: pst                              Name: Paolo Soto
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No Plan.

9/19    Okay, Korean food, guns, CS books...Not bad, but still BORING.
        Get it together folks!  The motd needs more of an *edge*.
        Stuff like this: http://www.illmitch.com
        \_ the motd right now is okay
        \_ Your link is stupid and a waste of bits.  The motd was better before
           you got here.  You have lame taste in URLs.
                \_ what's wrong with you? ILL Mitch is awesome.

9/18    Poll: if CSUA were run like the Weakest Link or Survivor, who would
        you vote for first as the Most Squishable:
        tom: .
        psb:
          \_ doesn't this guy just answer questions well?
        ali: .
        \_ either you're really old, or really boring, or actually
           i know you're really boring, fuck off.
        the motd censor: .
        yermom:

9/17    Dear motd censor, a lot of us bored alumni read the motd for
        entertainment.  Please don't deny us our very modest pleasures.

9/10    no security on soda? I wrote a private personal thank you
        note in my own directory, next thing i know it's posted on
        motd. I guess we can't keep anything personal or private
        on soda.
        \_ permissions?
           \_doh!
           \_ even if permissions are not set to user only, you might
              want to respect their privacy and not snoop around.  Just a
              thought.
              \_ for there to be an invasion of privacy, there has to be an
                 attempt to have kept it private.  leaving your files world
                 readable in no way sets the expection of privacy
              \_ and we should avert our eyes from your window when you're
                 singing, naked, with the blinds up...  If you can't figure
                 out file perms, don't expect anything to stay private.
           \_ /csua/adm/doc/policies/general
              on the other hand, in the spirit of this being a community
              (kind of), I generally dislike nazi'd permissions.  If you have
              really sensitive stuff, it shouldn't be on soda.csua in the
              first place.
              \_ where should it be, then?

9/9     Thank you letter writing hint: keep it simple, do not go off like some
        bumbling idiot at the end telling them the source of your nick name,
        do not use lines like "I really enjoyed it as much as any interview
        can be enjoyed" or talk about their 'diverse' backgrounds.  That PC
        shit is garbage once you leave the ivory tower.  Keep it to a simple
        thank you and mention something about their company and why you're
        The One and that you look forward to hearing from them.  Blah.
        \_  Thank you very much for your contribution to the motd.  i simply
            *loved* reading it.  reading your post really made my day.
            did i ever tell you where i got the nickname "troller"? well,
            it all started in college when i decided to get a csua account.
            it's really a great story(see attatched pages.)  among the
            many fantastic skills i learned in college was facilitating
            diversity through...oh, god i just can't continue.
        \_ Thanks. This must be the first time in known history that someone
           volunteered potentially useful advice on the motd without
           provocation. And no, the rest of you should not bother making a
           "that's trivial" or "that's lame advice" thread.
           \_ I loved it!  It was better than Cats!  I could see it again and
              again!
                \_ but you still haven't told me where you got your
                   nickname from.
        \_ Yeah forget that shit. Stick to offering blowjobs.

9/8     where can i get a cal b&g skin for winamp3?
        \_ wow, we're 2-0 and people are jumping on the bandwagon already...
           \_ "GO BEAR!"  --tien #1 Fan
                \_ hi tien, nice to see you on motd  --kngharv
                   \_ Tien was having ssh troubles but I'm here! --tien #1 Fan
                        \_ Ah good for you!  How you doing?
                           Don't forget to study!  -CLT
                \_ When Tien was new I passed by him on campus and was shocked
                   into silence when he waved, smiled, and then asked me how I
                   was doing.  Being treated like a human being on campus was
                   so utterly alien I didn't know how to respond.  I eventually
                   burbled out a weak "uh, ok" as he passed by.

9/7     where are we?  http://icpc.baylor.edu/icpc/finals/Standings.html
        \_ last?
           \_ No, honorable mention. Yes, we've had better years. If you're
              so manly -- how well did YOU do on Hilfie's contest when you
              were an ugrad? (And yes, some of the better teams' members are
              on Soda too, but they most likely wouldn't be so lame as to
              post the above.)
              \_ The only 'contest' when I was an undergrad was surviving his
                 class while taking a full load of other eecs/math/physics
                 classes.  Cute little contests are for boosting self esteem
                 for kids.  I didn't need a self esteem boost when I was in
                 school.  We all knew where we stood because grades didn't
                 yet suffer from massive grade inflation.
                 \_ the above was addressed to the posters of the url and the
                    "last?" -- if you are neither, that message is not for you;
                    otherwise, stop whining about our standing, you have no
                    whining rights if you consider yourself above the contest
                    in general.
                    \_ Maybe I am, maybe I'm not.  Either way it's fair game
                       on the motd.  And actually yes I do either way because
                       if these things are getting published on the net and
                       Cal is looking lame then it makes it look like I came
                       from a lame school.  Also, either way, bite me.
                 \_ alright alright let's just stop this shit now before
                    it gets (further) out of hand
                    \_ out of hand?  on the motd?  how could that happen?

9/6     http://www.calpatriot.org/issueupdate/911.html
        Now I remember why going to Cal helped turn me away from the left.
        UPDATE: The adults take charge and common sense prevails in Loony
        Tunes town for once: http://www.dailycal.org/article.asp?id=9345
        \_ You ought to hear what the chancellor said in reponse then.
           \_ "President Bush formally announced that Sept. 11 would be
               called Patriot Day and encouraged all Americans to display
               United States flags."
               \_ Great. Dying in the WTC (irregardless of nationality)
                  makes you an Amurican patriot.
                  \_ And posting intentionally mindless drivel to the motd
                     makes you... a troll?  Or some lesser creature?  Also,
                     the rest of us still spell it with an "e".
        \_ If you wanted a flag waving, jingoist campus why didn't you
           go to The Citadel or UC Irvine or something? Hadn't you heard
           of Berkeley's reputation before you got here?
           \_ I didn't want a flag waving campus.  I wanted an education.
              Prior to college I had no political beliefs or affiliations of
              any sort.  I didn't even understand people like Quindlen existed.
              Some of us came here for the educational repuation, not to shut
              down people who didn't believe in our anti-American ideology.
              \_ No, you had political beliefs, they were just unexamined.
                 You came to Berkeley and had to think about them and thereby
                 got educated. Good for you (and Berkeley, for making you
                 think).

9/1     Just curious, but how is CSUA backed up? How often? And does it keep
                          \_ it doesn't get enough fiber?
        only the most current image? Or are there backup archives? I couldn't
        find this info on the website anywhere.
        \_ maybe because they don't do backups?
        \_ backed up?  are you joking?
        \_ every member is expected to copy and backup their files on
           their own.   You're not doing that?  You must not think your
           csua files are that important...
           \_ Oh yeah, we should all start keeping private copies of the
              motd "just in case".  Never know when there'll be a crash
              and you'll miss something criti{({_{NO CARRIER
              \_ Yip. Yip yip yip. Yap yap yip yip yap yap yip yip
                 yip yap. *BANG*  @!%#^%#*NO TERRIER
        \_ I was simply wondering because hasn't there been a few instances
           when the CSUA harddrives crashed? How were our accounts
                   \_ the two of you just had to bring that up, didnt you -Jon
           recovered?
                \_ yeah like 6 years ago!
                   \_ the two of you just had to bring that up, didnt you?
                      Just when I thought I had sucessfully blocked all
                      conscious memory of that shitty week.  fuck you! --Jon
        \_ 15 April 1997, Soda MkIV, the Last of the Sequents, had a drive
           failure.  that was the last major disk failure I can recall. -Jon

8/30    Regarding the "minute taker is an idiot thread" from yesterday.  I
        suspect several people would be disappointed if this was buried and
        forgotten without corrective action:
        \_ Sorry for not commenting about this earlier; I don't normally read
           the motd, but someone forwarded it to politburo by mail. The
           comment was just a joke, attempting to make fun of the reputation
           of the CSUA for being male and insular. I'm sorry if it was taken
           the wrong way. I removed the paragraph from the minutes in
           /csua/pub/minutes.
            In the past, CSUA minutes have often attempted to cover meetings
           in a humorous way. This was meant in that context. If I had spent
           more time reflecting on how it might be taken, I might not have
           written it. --Galen
           \_Censorship is alive and well.
        \_ Personal responsibility aside, I'm disappointed in the lack of
           responsibility in the rest of the Politburo.  By their silence they
           tacitly support this behaviour on behalf of the CSUA.  -geordan
           \_ All CSUA members indirectly support this, but the Secretary
              needs to be able to figure this out. We can't police everyone
              all the time
              \_ No, we don't.  We're here right now saying this is bad and we
                 don't support it in any way, shape or form.  I not only
                 oppose it, I believe whoever wrote that garbage should be
                 thinking up a real nice apology for their next set of
                 minutes.  Fuck up in public = fix it in public and take your
                 lumps.
                 \_ I second this motion. I think that there are a lot of
                    other people who agree (and many who disagree as well).
            \_ Anonymous complaints on the motd, especially those about
               someone who signs their messages, are ignored. If you have
               complaints, complain to the politburo. The motd does not
               count for anything. --twohey.
               \_ Very poor form, twohey.  --scotsman
                  \_ I happen to agree with geordan here, but complaining on
                     the motd is _never_ the right way to get your point
                     across. --twohey
                     \_ Bullshit.  It was wrong.  Those with issues are not
                        the ones who fucked up.  We shouldn't have to complain
                        to the politburo, the motd, or anywhere else.  Take
                        some personal responsibility for your actions.  Just
                        because the source is anonymous and on the motd does
                           complaints get ignored.  Mail poliburo, or
                        not mean the source is wrong or can be so easily and
                        dismissed.  The politburo should have published an
                        apology without being told to by anyone.
                        \_ The motd *is* the wrong place for this.  Granted,
                           the secretary should know better, but since that
                           does not seem to be the case, whining on the motd
                           is the exact *wrong* course of action to effect
                           change.  It doesn't exactly give your position
                           much strength to lapse into excessive profanity
                           while complaining about propriety...anonymously...
                           on the motd -- the place where even technical
                           complaints get ignored.  Mail politburo, or
                           (heaven forbid!) the OSC if you want action.  -mice
           \_ Perhaps you consider this a bad thing, but the current politburo
              doesn't read the motd on a regulat basis (if at all), and thus
              were not even aware of this until we recieved mail on the matter.
              The motd is not a good way to communicate with the politburo. We
              probably will never even see said complaints. - ajani
              \_ The motd is the people's voice. Maybe the politburu SHOULD
                 read the motd (as crappy as it may be)... other than wall,
                 it's really the only thing that ties the CSUA together.
                 \_ INcorrect. It is not the voice of the people. Otherwise
                    it would not have been taken off the web page.
                    \_ and who made that decision? --Jon
                       \_ Does that matter? The point is that its for the same
                          type of reasons the minutes got condemned.
                          Plus, how many UCB undergrads use motd/wall?
                          \_ That's not relevant. The motd is not the voice
                             of UCB students, it's the voice of the CSUA.
        \_ It was taken out of context. Anyways, screw you politically-correct
           liberal femnazi commies.
           \_ Out of context?  You're an idiot.  And I doubt you're more right
              wing or conservative than I am.  You look left wing.  The right
              has this thing about personal responsibility for one's actions,
              not blaming them on other folks like you're trying to do.
              \_ It's not about left or right politics.  It's about general,
                 simple, social-skills common sense.  One would hope that our
                 elected officers have enough clue to realize that csua is
                 a larger community than the half-dozen politburo members.
                                                                      -mice
              \_ Gee, getting your panties all into a bundle eh? Can't you
                 even read? You're the idiot.
           \_ respect++
                \_ "might not have..."? this is the kinda stuff that should
                   have punishment of some kind, not just letting you erase
                   your tracks. the meeting minutes are official records, no?
                   leave them alone and deal with the consequences, hopefully,
                   in a future meeting.
                    \_TrollP?
                      \_ if you think it was a troll then you're "not getting
                         it".  lots of growing up to do around here....
                         \_ pot, kettle, black.  'nuff said.
                         \_ We agree twice. 1.) I have an exteremeley hard
                          time "getting" hyper-sensitive, whining children who
                          are so sheltered and spoiled that they can't find
                          anything better to whine about.  2.)  there is
                          undeniably a lot of growing up to be done here.
                   \_ Yeah, wouldn't want him to learn anything.  What we need
                      around here is a hangin'.
        \_ The fact that you guys still call yourself the politburo says
           it all.
           \_ yes, this is the only non-stupid comment in this thread.
        \_ The politburo shouldn't have to read the motd to know there's inane
           and generally 'bad' stuff in csua meeting minutes.  Doesn't any of
           you actually read the *official* minutes you're putting out?  If you
           did, why didn't the politburo note and immediately correct the noise
           in the minutes?  Or even better, not publish garbage like that?
           Living down to your own stereotype is hardly humorous.
             \_ take a lude.
                \_ wow d00d U R s0 kewl!  kan i B leik U?!
                                             \_ evidently not.
        \_ you don't know what came close to being buried this weekend.
           or torched.

8/29    http://ugrad.csua.berkeley.edu/~chialea/pirate.html
        For I am a pirate king...
        \_ This is not even good enough to be motd fodder. Who poasted this?
            \_ "Poasted"?  You're not good enough to be motd fodder...
                \_ Yes because typo flames are always better than content
                   flames.
                   \_ It's the motd.  Yermom responses are better than
                      everything else.  Except maybe running prices on 3D
                      video cards.
                        \_ or prices on yer mom
                           \_ probably, but the original link is still a waste
                              of bits.  maybe if it were funny in some way.
             \_ FYI, i typed posted on purpose... to see if it would generate
                a response. 5 layers deep... not bad!
                \_ liar.  next!

8/23    http://www.craigslist.org/sfo/eby/sad/5324072.html
        Night shift sysadmin slacker job.  Do nothing.  Get paid.  Low skill
        level.  Get paid to do homework and play quake all night.  Berkeley.
        I don't know anything about the company but I figure one of you lazy
        game playing, web surfing, motd butchering, wall scribbling slackers
        might want to get paid to do what you're already doing now for free.

8/23    Is it just me, or are threads being purged three or four times
        a day?  It seems like, just as motd starts to be entertaining
        or interesting, someone purges it.  What gives?      -mice
        \_ revolution starts in '03.
        \_ I think there are those who do not want the motd to be
           entertaining or interesting. They want it to be nothing
           but "couch for sale" and "sysadmin question of the day".
           \_ We go through cycles of this.  Everyone few months a new geek
              shows up who think they're going to be the one who "cleans up
              the motd" and "kills all the trolls" and blah blah blah.  They
              fight a losing battle for a few days, sometimes as long as a
              week or two and then grow up and go away and find better ways
              to spend their time than cull non-nerd topics from the motd.
              No big deal.  I know who this particular loser is.  It won't
              last much longer.  Be patient, keep posting and keep reposting
              from your copy after each idiotic blasting.  Works everytime.
              \_ I thought paolo gave up on that?
                \_ paolo wasn't culling, he was deleting the entire motd
                   every 3 minutes by an automated script.  -tom

8/2     jw stop butchering the motd
        \_ I'm serious.  Stop it.  The motd is not that anonymous.  Let it be.
           \_ how long of a motd (# of lines, # of topics) are you comfortable
              with, before it becomes noise?
                --jw, who does not want the motd to be soda's slashdot
                \_ I think a more resonable strategy for motd curbing ought
                   involve how active a thread is.  If people are still
                   posting to a given thread, then clobbering cuz it's
                   'too long' is lame.  If you don't have a good or reliable
                   metric to determine which threads are active, then perhaps
                   you might conisder the possibility that it's not
                   appropriate for you to be assigning truncation
                   responsibilities to yourself.  Perhaps an easier solution
                   is to let a given thread last at least a day or two before
                   nazi'ing it.
                   \_ we can arrange for the motd to be nazified completely
                      forever.
                      \_ So?  Shit or get off the pot.  No one NEEDS
                         motd.public.  Why waste time with this sort of
                         statement?
                   \_ having followed the motd for over 5 years, i do believe
                      i have a solid truncation metric. it considers the
                      factors you mentioned, in addition to whether the
                      latest additions/comments are still relevant, or if
                      the topic has been hijacked and rendered useless.
                      i don't know if the OP actually paid attention to
                      what i have excised, or if he is simply over-reacting
                      to a perceived censorship. --jw
                      \_ Granted on most of your points.  But some of the
                         points about hijacking and off-topic seem a little
                         bit subjective to me.  If people are interested in
                         a thread (even if it has wandered far afield) it
                         seems a touch too close to censorship to nuke because
                         some third party has abritrarily deemed it
                         inappropriate.
              \_ Becomes?

8/16    Does the MOTD know everything?  -John
        \_ the MotD says: "Ask again later"

7/30    Did someone write an Eliza for motd?
        \_ What makes you say that someone write an Eliza for motd?
           \_ funny
              \_ what is funny?
                 \_ You haven't been to a psychotherapist's office in the past,
                    have you?
                        \_ He uses the motd for therapy.

7/22    motd poll:  how many sodans have you had sex with.  Please be honest
        here. And don't turn this poll into a big troll:
        0:
        1: .
        2:
        3-5:
        5:
        \_ Does that CSUA meeting in 1997 that turned into a giant
           orgy count?
        \_ So, um, just to be clear, what's your definition of "sex"?
           \_ you ain't clinton and this ain't a congressional hearing.
        0: .....
        1: ...
        2: ...
        3-5: ...
        >5: ..
        \_ Do i count one if i pleasured myself?
           \_ No.
        \_ For numbers greated than one, is it enough to have sex with one
              \_ Oh well, back to virginhood again.
        \_ what about cybersex?
           \_ No.
        \_ For numbers greater than one, is it enough to have sex with one
           sodan at a time or does it have to be a group orgy?
           \_ I'm having trouble imaging sodans having orgies together.
              Who should I picture this happening with?
              \_Obaspolito
                \_ I am sodan orgy free thank you very much -aspo
                \_ do not pick on aspolito!  --chris
              \_ jsl
                 \_ Does it count if you have sex with them before they become
           csua'ers?
        \_ how about if they left the CSUA before you had sex with them?
           \_ how do you leave the CSUA?  the politburo comes
              over to your house and chialea rips off your arms?
           How about if you didn't know they were in the CSUA until afterward?
           \_ yes and yes.
              \_ How about if they didn't know you're having sex with them
                 until afterwards (ie. rape)?
        \_ Do lustful gazes and impure thoughts count?
               \_ Well no, I'm just asking so as to better interpret the results.
                  Actually, I wasn't aware there were as many females in CSUA as
                  there are dots on the poll. I never saw 'em anyway. Or does
                  CSUA embrace homosexuality in addition to Godless communism?
            \_ soda people inspire you to do this??
               \_ Well no, I'm just asking so as to better interpret the
                  results. Actually, I wasn't aware there were as many
                  females in CSUA as there are dots on the poll. I never saw
                  'em anyway. Or does CSUA embrace homosexuality in addition
                  to Godless communism?
                  \_ Don't be stupid.
                  \_ This is the motd, everyone lies on the motd
                     \_ OBnextthread: how much do you make?  more lies.
        \_ Does yermom count?
           \_ Yes if she is/was a sodan, no if not.  Sheesh.
        \_ Best MOTD topic in quite awhile, yay!
        \_ Who is the greater than 5 guy, I wanna shake your hand. -5
           \_ "guy"?   it is probably a chick, soda guys don't get laid
              too much.

7/16    My CGI stuff on soda is failing with "premature ejaculation"
        What the deally, yo?
        \_ Did you edit the files on Windoze and are now trying to run
           them on Unix? They treat <CR> and <LF> differently.
        \_ Is this the suexec problem?
        \_ I mailed www, and was told it was because they were working on
           getting suexec working.  At the time, even trivial CGI stuff wasn't
           working.  It appears to be fixed this morning (7/17).
           \_ Looks OK now.  Thanks for looking into it.
              -OP (original poster, i just invented a new motd-ism!)
                \_ uh, people have been using -OP for years.
                   \_ I've been using that since 3rd grade!  You
                      got molded!!!
                      \_ Um.  Isn't it "moded," short for "outmoded"?
                   \_ Well no for a year or so maybe.  And *I* invented it.
                      Or coined it, actually.

7/8     Is there a way to make motdedit figure out when you're booted off?
        I just logged in after my net died last night, and found that I'd
        still had the motd locked.  -John
        \_ I supposed I could add like a 5 minute default timeout of the
           lock.. --scotsman
           \_ Don't bother.  Apparently scotsman has beat you to it. -pld

6/27    Who was it that said something like I joined the CSUA and only got this
        lousy account and a look at Partha?
        \_ Partha? Who's Partha?
           \- the guy who insists on formatting his motd posts differently
           from everybody else's. ok tnx
           \_ WHAT?!  You don't know who  *THE*  psb is?!?!?!  ACK!  This is
              madness!  God save us all!  --psb #1 Fan
              madness!  G-d save us all!  --psb #1 Fan

6/25    Why was the MOTD so boring yesterday? Have people left early for
        July 4th? Last week, it was more interesting here.
        \_ What exactly do you want to see on the MOTD.  Political
        discussions have a habit of being deleted.
        \_ I think he's looking for sex talk. I'm not sure why, as CSUA
           isn't exactly the greatest place to seek out advice.

6/21    Motd Poll about the motd!
        (feel free to add options and vote for more than one option)
                The motd...:
        Not enough censorship:
        (other choices deleted) ...
        Is easy to restore after being brutally chopped: .
        Is perfect the way it is: .
        Has too much censorship:
        Not enough censorship:
        Should only be for techie and student news:
        Should be changed so it's no longer anonymous:
        Should only be for announcements re: RIDE BIKE! USE LINUX!:
        Should be set to zero bytes every hour:
        A haven for anonymous anarchists determined to destroy the free world:
        Is nothing I care about:

6/20    motd_warriors.new  in /csua/bin, new -s option for statistics
        \_ Needs to include # of yermom references.
           \_ The correct term is "Yermom Invocation" or YMI. And what's with
              all these people who can't figure out how to fucking format motd
              entries.  sheeit..
              \_ Uh-huh. How about you throw down some FAQ or a URL, bitch.
                 \_ It wasn't hard to figure out.  Follow the pattern you
                    fucking monkey!  You're a Cal student!  Figure it out!
          \_ Agreed. Something like a pipe to grep "yermom"|wc|awk'{print $1}'
            \_ I meant per thread.

6/17    motd opinion poll:
        CMOS will be replaced by some other technology for the
        majority of personal computing applications

        never
        next 5 years
        next 10 years      ..
        next 50 years
        next 100 years
        \_ Oh my god no!  Don't take my CMOS!  I think a poll on sibling incest
           would have been more interesting.  This is so nerdy.
           \_ i have 50 inflation-adjusted dollars ridding on this
           \_ i have 50 inflation-adjusted dollars ridding [sp inc] on this
              a nerd.
              in a bet with a co-worker. but then, i am indeed
              a nerd.  [motd spelling bitch was here]
                        \_ ok, jerkoff, you remember how to spell and i'll
                           remember how MOSFETs work and how to make them,
                           and we'll see which is a more usefull skill.
                           \_ it's not possible to know both device physics
                              and spelling?  shrug.  personally, i'm rooting
                              for soi, but i've seen simple cmos do some
                              amazing things i'd never have thought possible,
                              so no bet.  heh.  just flashed back to asking
                              dillon in the old fish bowl what that cmos thing
                              was about for my cs150 project.
                                \_ This narrows down who you are a lot.
                                   Why not just sign your name? -PM
                                   \_ why?  there are a few of us around
                                      who go that far back, and it's not
                                      obvious who i am unless you actually
                                      know us.  if it helps, i think i have
                                      the oldest file on soda.
                                      \_ damn!  defron has older files.  fine,
                                         oldest file amongst guys who still use
                                         soda.
                                         \_ nope, as it turns out donald does.
                                            \_ Actually, root does (unless
                                               you count files with timestamp
                                               0 [a la 12/31/1969 16:00 PST].
                                               See /csua/archive/lib/Fun/song.
                                \_ [deleted for lack of sense of humor]
                           \_ Yet another ESL drone who thinks he has unique
                              skills....  "They can't fire me!  I'm valuable!"
                              Famous last words.

6/14    Yawn... if this morning's motd isn't the most dull as well as
        uninformative we've seen in weeks, I'll eat my cat.  We already have
        people censoring anything remotely interesting.  Why not go all the
        way and burn the dull shit too?  Just add a line to your .login or
        something to zero the motd and get it over with.
        \_ I am bi midget who has two half-step children by my sister and I
           want a sex change operation because of my religion, can you help?
        \_ Just taking a breather -soda conservative

6/12    What happened to soda, seems to have been down until
        about 4:40pm today.  -alexb
        \_ Does no one read the motd.official?  There was a notice there for
           a long-ass time that said soda would be down Jun 12th due to
           AC maintenance.
           \_ Even more embarrassing, it was in the motd itself as a topic.
              \_ I should be taken out and shot!
                 \_ Yeah like anything useful lasts more than 30 seconds.
                    \_ Boy... 30 seconds that last 3 weeks...

6/11    hmm... why don't people use motdedit?
> w hkg
USER             TTY      FROM              LOGIN@  IDLE WHAT
hkg              Gd       http://bighome.netlogic 10:42AM  4:31 vi /etc/motd.public
        \_ why should they?
           \_ A locking mechanism. Common courtesy. To not be a h0zer.
              \_ I have no locking problems with emacs (I don't lock
                 people out, and no one locks me out) and if my posts
                 get overwritten once in a while its okay.
                 \_ I use a different method but I also don't overwrite other
                    people's stuff and I'm ok with it if my stuff gets smushed
                    sometimes.  Where did the motdedit Nazis come from anyway?
                    \_ just trying to make it easier for you to do the right
                       thing. --god
                       \_ ve haf our vayz!
        \_ because they don't.  Roll the Bones.  Roll the bones.

6/6     kinneyspew moved to /csua/tmp/motd.kinney
        (the moron apparently doesn't know how to use motdedit).
        \_ I wasnt' aware that motdedit was MANDITORY.  it seemed more
           like a suggestion.  Can we get some clarification on that? -!kinney
           \_ motdedit isn't MANDITORY, but if don't use me and your stuff
              gets deleted don't complain.
              \_ mandAtory.  sheesh.

6/6     Is it just me remembering with rose-colored glasses, or has the
        motd become a more hostile place for women than it used to be a
        few years ago? -- '97 grad
        \_ rose colored glasses.  the motd has always been hostile to
           everybody, particularly women. for example, i have no
           idea what your gender is, but i'm hostile to you for
           being an idiot.
        \_ It's not that the motd is more hostile to women now.  It's just
           that there weren't women back in 1997.  Fortunately I graduated
           and women stopped being afraid to enroll in Berkeley CS.
           -geordan
           \_ Damn, so it was you who stopped all these girls from
              signing up CS!
              \_ Yeah.  Sorry.  My bad.  -geordan
           \_ Not true. There was ahm, chris, jsl, cynthia, ikiru... i
              don't remember them being harrassed on the motd.
              \_ raytrace, lila, kane, lolly, tabloyd... the list goes on.
                 the thing is, if people were being hostile or, more likely,
                 bitter toward women, one of this contingent would kick his
                 ass.  GO RACHEL!  DROP HIM!  TAKE HIS WALLET!
                 \_ Anyone know who's the author of the current harassment?
                    We can take steps.
              \_ Today's new word is "sarcasm."  Listen and learn.
              \_ Your memory is pretty poor, whenever chris (the one who
                 worked at Taos) posted she used to get harrassed.
              \_ How could anyone leave out lisha?
                 \_ Or rip?
                    \_ um... I was doing just fine forgetting about rip.
                       now i'll have to go back to therapy.  you're getting
                       my bill.
                    \_ or anitac
        \_ still nobody has answered me as to why people are stalking chialea?
           \_ The simple answer is no female in recent csua history, not even
              lila, went so far out of her way to attract attention to herself
              as chialea. You're just seeing the natural response to that.
              \_ Um.  And how did chialea go out of her way to attract
                 attention to herself, exactly?
           \_ if any of the females have a complaint, they should email
              politburo.
              \_ yes thats a nice thought but you cant do anything about it.
                 \_ Don't be so sure. Use of the motd is logged and the
                    campus has anti-harassment policies.
                    \_ the motd is not logged in any way you could clearly
                       and suffuciently link a person to a post to make a
                       case. you're in fantasy land.
              \_ the politburo have done something about it before.  It
                 was pretty effective.  They can do it again, or add
                 on the idea.
           \_ The motd stalking of chialea is a joke, just like the ucla ee
              guy and cs guy thing.
              \_ Really??  I thought you were serious.
        \_ in the mid 90's, the women on soda were better able to take care
           themselves and gave as good as they got.  Of course, few, if any,
           of these women were CS students, let alone majors.
           \_ some of them weren't even women.
              \_ or men.

6/3     ~mehlhaff/tmp/motd,v doesn't update.
        \_ so mail mehlhaff!
        \_ duh.
        \_ motd != mellhaff
        \_ motd update restarted.  was locked on an RCS interactive query again.

6/3     Motd rating:
        Inverse relevance rating:       5/10
        Percent threads infected by yermom:     4/13
        Freeper rant rating:            0/10
        You're an idiot replies:        1/13
        URL inclusions                  12/13
        Overall                 Satisfactory performance, but room
                                for improvement.
        \_ Uhm, excuse me, but uh, fuck yourself.  Thanks!
           \_ ah yes.  Self importance  8/10
              \_ Not self important.  You're wrong.  Still, go fuck yourself.
                 \_ Self importance is exactly how it comes across.
        \_ the motd is useless. we all know this.
                \_ Yeah, but it's a useful sort of useless.

6/1     Is there a motd archive? I'm looking for something from yesterday.
        \_ Yes.  locate motd,
            \_ Which one?
        \_ Yes. ~mehlhaff/tmp/motd,v; you can use ~marco/bin/motdbrowse -c
           to go through the diffs. (-c to use context diffs.) -- Marco
                \_ Thanks, it looks like the most recent date is:
                   2002.05.29.04.35.39  Where would I find 2002-05-31 ?
                   \_ guess motdwatch got locked up.  I just restarted it.
                      Occasionally RCS is stupid and gets stuck in a
                      prompt. -ERic

5/25    Logout -  Party TONIGHT - Saturday May 25 - details at:
[dated  http://www.csua.berkeley.edu/~phillip/logout
 was    School's out.  Live a little.
 here]  Questions, flames, RSVPs (optional) to dans.  And fer chrissake
        don't blow the motd away.
        \_ So how was/is the party?
           \_ Um it's on the 25th.  Go.  See for yourself.
        \_ Shuffled by the motd shuffler.

5/24    Motd Poll:
        When you say something stupid on the motd are you
        Just trying to piss the rest of us off: ...
        Certain that you are not being stupid: ......
        Just fucking stupid: .
        Stupid is as stupid does:
        Trying to earn Twink Points from Tom: ..
        \_ you'd have to sign your posts to do that.  -tom
           \_ Not really.  You hand out plenty of points based on your guesses
              and assumptions.  I want more points, damnit!

5/19    Heard anything about Stauder Automotive near College & Claremont?
        \_ I heard there's a thread about it on the motd; perhaps you should
           check there.
           \_ recursive (n) \ree-ker-siv\: see recursive.

5/18    What's this? ^Something relevant above the line?^ A CSUA party?!?
        Yes- we're throwing a party for CSUA people- current and alums. We'd
        really like to see lots of the CSUA geezers there, so we'd appreciate
        it if you people could tell the people who don't drop by the office
        or log in to soda anymore. Here's the link fo the info:

        http://www.csua.berkeley.edu/~phillip/logout

        What can I say to get you to come? We'll have mass alcohol. We'll have
        a hot tub. We'll have college girls. We'll have Rez.
        For all my laid-off brethren- we'll have free food.

        Tanks.
        ,wllm
        \_ but will you have bitches?
        \_ and free x-jobs?

        Tanks.
        ,wllm
        \_ Shuffled back to the top by the motd shuffling daemon
        \_ stupidity about nweaver deleted.  I've had a beer with nweaver
           I've been to a party ith nweaver.  Really it's nothing to get
           anxious about - nick is a good guy, quit fucking being little bitchy
           pricks. - paolo
        \_ I'm  kind of curious about the girls part. They're not going to show
           up on their own so how much is it costing you?
           \_ Ah you still have much to learn my paduin apprentice.
                \_ padawan?
        \_ SOmeone removed my post asking if Nick Weaver will be there.
        \_ Someone removed my post asking if Nick Weaver will be there.
           I want to say I partied with Nick Weaver.
        \_ I'm going to see if I can get Euphrasia to show up. cynthia
           \_ Who's Euphrasia? -dans (party cohost)
              \_ Also known as ikiru.  Consult the CSUA Encyclopedia,
                 unintuitively under "Poetry."
                 \_ Fucking awesome!  I know who ikiru is, I just didn't

        Who killed the scifi thread. Anyway my recs are James Morrow and
        Jonathan Lethem for "new" school and Lem/Dick for old school.
                    connect Euphrasia with her handle. -dans
                               \- Be sure to ask for Grace Kelley --psb
                                  \_ Euphrasia cool to talk to and look at.
                                     Dont you mean Grace Kelly?
                                  \_ Okay, I'll bite.  Who is Grace Kelley?
                                     -dans
                                     \_ You don't know who Grace Kelley is?
                                        Are you serious?  Next you'll be saying
                                        you don't know who Elvis is.  obgoogle.
                                        \_ Context dude.  I didn't think you
                                           were referring to the (dead)
                                           Princess of Monaco.  I am seriously
                                           missing something here.  By the
                                           way, who's this Elvis guy? -dans
                                           \_ It goes like this, "Grace...
                                              Kelley... wow".  Ok?
                                              \_ Still not getting it.
                                                 Perhaps you are trying and
                                                 failing to be funny. -dans
                                                 \_ Uh...uh....uh...yermom!

5/15    I just realized that I've been on soda for more than 10 years.
        Still trolling the motd.  The funny thing is, there are people who
        has been around even longer and they're still trolling the motd.
        \_ No, what's funny is that there are people who have been around
           longer who are still falling for your trolls!
           \_ yes, that's the funny thing.
           \_ No I'm not...Doh!

5/7     Two airliner crashed in one day.  Oh my.
        http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=578&ncid=578&e=1&u=/nm/20020507/ts_nm/tunisia_egypt_plane_dc
        http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&ncid=716&e=1&u=/ap/20020507/ap_on_re_as/china_plane_crash
        \_ The end is near!
        \_ It is said that flying has fewer accidents per passenger mile than
           driving.  What about number of accidents per passenger trip?  Thx.

                \_ good luck finding anti-airline statistics. The airlines
                   do a better job on interpreting statistics than the NRA
                   and tobacco industries.
                   \_ The anti-gun crowd is even better at misinterpreting
                      or flat out inventing statistics.
5/7

    Implications of DMCA Anti-circumvention Rules for Research
    Dr. Pamela Samuelson
    SIMS, UC Berkeley

May 8 , 2002 4:00-5:00 p.m.
Hewlett Packard Auditorium, 306 Soda Hall
EECS Joint Colloquium Distinguished Lecture Series
        \_ mp3 whore!  Hundreds of gigs!  Free Warez!  Woo hoo!  divx! yes!
           \_ um, I've taken 2 classes with Samuelson, Law 276.1 (digital law)
              and SIMS 231 (IP Law).  She's good; she knows what she doesn't
              know, and sticks to teaching what she does know, and researches
              what she doesn't.  So open your mind you closed source fuck.
                \_ Closed source?  You're an idiot.  Open vs. Closed source has
                   nothing to do with copyright law, you moron.  In fact, if
                   you had the slightest clue you'd know the GPL _relies_ on
                   and _uses_ copyright law to protect GPL'd code.  Fucking
                   dumbshit stupid loudmouth moronic geek you should go and
                   ask her what the GPL is for starters and then you can come
                   back to the motd and beg forgiveness for being so stupid
                   and ignorant.
                   \_ You forgot to take your lithium today.
                        \_ Maybe but at least I know wtf I'm talking about.
                           \_ actually, you missed the whole point.  But
                              we expect this from the motd arguments.
                              \_ it would be good if we got rid of the motd.
                              \_ we also expect people to claim someone else
                                 missed the point without saying what point
                                 they were failing to get across and then
                                 blame the reader.  e190

5/7     Anybody know when A beautiful mind is coming out on video?  I can't
        seem to find this info on the web.  Thanks.
        \_ geez, still showing in theaters.
        \_ just d/l it from limewire
           \_ fasttrack only has the 300 meg version.  However if you want
              spiderman... there's a 2.2 Gig vcd version out.
                \_ Is it worth d/l'ing? (My bw is limited)
                   \_ No you cheap bastards go pay $5 for a matinee, sheesh!
                      \_ So you think that its worth spending $5 to watch it?
                         In that case, I guess I will d/l it tonight.
                         \_ No I don't think it's worth $5 to watch it.  I
                            think you're wasting your time either way.

5/7

    Implications of DMCA Anti-circumvention Rules for Research
    Dr. Pamela Samuelson
    SIMS, UC Berkeley

May 8 , 2002 4:00-5:00 p.m.
Hewlett Packard Auditorium, 306 Soda Hall
EECS Joint Colloquium Distinguished Lecture Series
        \_ mp3 whore!  Hundreds of gigs!  Free Warez!  Woo hoo!  divx! yes!
           \_ um, I've taken 2 classes with Samuelson, Law 276.1 (digital law)
              and SIMS 231 (IP Law).  She's good; she knows what she doesn't
              know, and sticks to teaching what she does know, and researches
              what she doesn't.  So open your mind you closed source fuck.
                \_ Closed source?  You're an idiot.  Open vs. Closed source has
                   nothing to do with copyright law, you moron.  In fact, if
                   you had the slightest clue you'd know the GPL _relies_ on
                   and _uses_ copyright law to protect GPL'd code.  Fucking
                   dumbshit stupid loudmouth moronic geek you should go and
                   ask her what the GPL is for starters and then you can come
                   back to the motd and beg forgiveness for being so stupid
                   and ignorant.
                   \_ You forgot to take your lithium today.
                        \_ Maybe but at least I know wtf I'm talking about.
                           \_ actually, you missed the whole point.  But
                              we expect this from the motd arguments.
                              \_ it would be good if we got rid of the motd.
                              \_ we also expect people to claim someone else
                                 missed the point without saying what point
                                 they were failing to get across and then
                                 blame the reader.  e190
                                 \_ Sentence is too long and convoluted.
                                    You need to take e190.
                                 \_ that's "eewanani" to you hosers.

5/6     /csua/bin/me (formerly motdedit) actually works now.  Please use it.
        \_ no really, it really does work now.
           \_ a) having your username associated with the motd file eliminates
              anonymity. b) most motd posts are anonymous. you do the math.
              \_ Get a life.  if someone wanted to track down motd entries,
                 it's trivial.  just use the script.  or at least use vi.
              \_ Make the motd.public editable only by the system motdedit.
                 \_ And then someone locks it for hours... try again.  This
                    way people in general can avoid stepping on toes, and
                    the random luser/unfortunate soul that leaves their lock
                    doesn't have to be pummeled and require a lart invocation
                    on their tired ass.
        \_ wait, weren't you saying the same thing a few weeks ago?  what part
           didn't work?
           \_ The post was for those who may have missed it.
              \_ /csua/bin/motdedit.new was last modified on May 3rd... so
         \_ Fight the Power! Dont use motedit! No more rules no more
            conformity!
                 what's new?

5/6

    Implications of DMCA Anti-circumvention Rules for Research
    Dr. Pamela Samuelson
    SIMS, UC Berkeley

May 8 , 2002 4:00-5:00 p.m.
Hewlett Packard Auditorium, 306 Soda Hall

5/5
EECS Joint Colloquium Distinguished Lecture Series
        \_ mp3 whore!  Hundreds of gigs!  Free Warez!  Woo hoo!  divx! yes!
                 \_ is it that hard to read?  The only thing changed was a
                    system("/csua/bin/mtd") at the end to apply your changes.
                    --scotsman
                    \_ well, considering I don't know what /csua/bin/me
                       looked like before May 3rd, reading the /csua/bin/me
                       now won't tell me what changed, now will it?
                       looked like before May 3rd, reading /csua/bin/me now
                       won't tell me what changed, will it?
   \_ die you  [conformityd], you
\_ Fight the Power! Dont use motedit! No more rules no more conformity!
            \_ You will conform and you will like it.
   \_ die you  [conformityd], you. This is readable. Get the Man off my back!

5/3     Text of note from the mailbox bomber.  This is great stuff.  This guy
        needs a soda account asap!  It's motd quality!
        http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A29298-2002May3.html
        \_ Sucks. not motd quality.
           \_ yeah, this guy wished he were Ted Kazcynski[sp?], but
              he's not. the FBI thought the unabomber was an uneducated
              out of work airline employeee, and i'm guessing their profile
              is closer to the mark with this nut. except for the the
              bombing, most motd nuts are closer to the real unabomber
              in tone.
                \_ Ever read the "Ted Vs. Al Gore Who Said What?" web page?
                   It was really hard to tell.  I only scored 60% right in
                   a 50/50 quiz.  Scary shit.
                   \_ well, yeah, but that's my point.  Ted vs. Al shows that
                      they sound very similar, but i'm pretty sure you
                      could tell this midwestern clown from either of them
                      on a sentince by sentince basis.

4/30    Is there an english to "hackspeak (Gn0oo0 lINUx Roxxxx DuD3)"
        program?  Or, are all the motd flames truly the product of someone
        with way too much time and ascii art skill...
        \_ I thought it was pretty obvious the motd flames are truly the
           product of someone with way too much time on their hands
        \_ eye t1p3 /\/\1/\/3 0u1 b1 ]-[@/\/|].  uR /\/0t 318!!!1!@!@!1

4/23    motd' s been way too tame lately. Who is the latest soda chick
        to drool over ?
        \_ yermom
           \_ she's not "the latest".

4/21    cool... someone restored the motd from like 2 days ago. can we get an
        older one please? I actually barely remember reading some of these
        posts.
        \_ How old do you want it?
           \_ Two years.
              \_ OK, here you go.  motd from April 21st, 2000, around 6pm PDT:

FreeBSD 2.2.6-STABLE #0: Sun May  3 22:30:48 PDT 1998: Co-Ed Naked Computing

4/18    New, decent motdedit in /csua/bin/motdedit.new.  There's a small
        race condition for vi users, but i think we can all deal with it.
        --scotsman
        \_ Telling people to change their behaviours is like changing the
           keyboard to something that sux (e.g. Qwerty) and hoping that
           they'll all slow down.
           \_ I didn't tell anyone to change their behavior.  I'm simply hoping
              the emacs/pico folks will be a little more courteous.  --scotsman
        \_ symlinked to /csua/bin/me for convenience --scotsman
           \_ /csua/bin/you ?
        \_ Now if everyone would just use it...
           \_ Well, now there's no reason not to.  ..okay, maybe not NO
              reason..--scotsman
              \_ what was the reason to not use it before?
                 \_ That it didn't actually lock in any useful way, and that
                    it didn't play nice with vi. --scotsman
                    \_ not to mention those that open up motdedit and idle
                       for hours.
                       \_ Well, this won't take care of that..  make something
                          foolproof, and someone will make a bigger fool.
                          --scotsman
                          \_ Very true.  So what are some of the improvements
                             in this version?
                             \_ uses flock instead of fuckcuntl^Wfcntl, will
                                wait for a lock for you, will play nice with
                                vi. --scotsman
                                \_ so why not replace /csua/bin/motdedit ?

4/10    So what happened to Trevor's hearing? -curious alumnus
        \_ We only know that (1) He doesn't seem to have shown up to it,
           and (2) he is now suspended from UCB for a year and banned from
           being on campus.
        \_ what was this hearing for?
           \_ No one really knows.
        \_ who's Trevor
           \_ Proof that sometimes ignorance can be bliss.
                \_ proof that some idiots forget that not everyone
                   still is on the Cal campus.
                   \_ This _is_ the Undergrad Association.  If you're
                      complaining that you don't understand all references
                      in the motd, you really need to get out more.
                      \_ Or rather, get out less.
        \_ <DEAD>www.gelatinous.com/danh/trevor/trevor.html<DEAD>
           \_ Where did you get all these emails, danh?
              \_ The bulk of it was sent to csua@csua. -geordan
        \_ Actually, I don't really think this whole saga is very funny.
           It actually just seems pretty sad. Here is an obviously smart
           guy in the CS program at Cal and he completely self-destructs
           because some kind of insanity or chemical imbalance or whatever.
           I hope he can get his life back together and I don't see why
           everyone is always egging him on. ... go make fun of some
           crazy homelss guys on Telegraph if you enjoy it so much.
           \_ So you're saying he's going to become the next John Nash who
              went through college as a misunderstood person only to win
              the Nobel Prize?
           \_ Was he ever diagnosed with anything besides being an asshole?
              \_ Yes. He spent the better part of last June involuntarily
                 confined to a mental institution. And another week in March.
                 And potentially other stints in-between that we don't know
                 about. No, the diagnosis is not public information. He _is_
                 known to be on record with the UC as having ADD, which has
                 allowed him to use the "disabled" priority to get early
                 telebears registration.
                 \_ ADD? Oh please.  The world's most made up illness.  It is
                    pathetically easy to get an ADD or dyslexia diagnosis at
                    Cal for the various benefits.  And certainly the
                    non-illness known as ADD would not be the underlying
                    cause of psychotic episodes.
                    \- so what is the logic behind disability -> early
                       telebears ... that is just for class reg, right?
                       \_ logic?  there's no logic in 'protected class' status.
                          \_ thanks, Ms. Rand.
             \_ How is he smart?  Just because he has a 3.5 overall GPA?
                A lot of people I knew had much higher GPA and never
                had to curse at their professors.  That, cursing at
                your professors, doesn't seem so smart to me.
                \_ I've met the guy. He's not necessarily brilliant, but
                   substantially more intelligent than a lot of people on
                   this campus.
                   \_ Oh yeah, smarter than your average bear.  That's hard.
        \_ That's the kind of guy who will show up at a CSUA mtg or office
           with a gun and kill everyone just because you geeks are jerks.
           \_ If every jerk was killed just for being a jerk this would be
              a lonely planet.  The cockroaches would take over in days.
        \_ He seems arrogant, but I kind of like some of the things he
           did against the EECS department.

4/8     Berkeley Study Links Soda to High Childhood Obesity Rates
        \_ http://dailycal.org/article.asp?id=8225
        \_ No.  More like too much TV and not enough running around outside.
        \_ more like playing basketball and other sports on Playstation
           rather than outside.
           \_ and of course all these motd geeks are top athletes.  -tom
           \_ Some of them, yes.  Even if not, a bad athlete still burns
              a hell of a lot more calories than they would on the couch.

4/5     Why did my entry on best of the motd aka motd reruns get deleted?
        If the current motd only has boring stuff and nobody is stepping
        up to the plate to spice things up, we should post the best of
        motd.

4/3     The motd has been so boring lately, I'm forced to start posting
        the best of motd (tm).  I.e., motd re-runs.  Like the following
        thread.
        \_ You have shitty taste. There are many more better threads.

4/1     how i read motd via web? the whole motd. tks.
        \_ Linked off of http://www.csua.berkeley.edu
           http://www.csua.berkeley.edu/motd -geordan
           \_ this only displays motd.official.  If you want the rest, be more
              creative.
              \_ Oh, that's right, my bad.  motd.public was deemed too
                 offensive for public consumption.  Circumvent at your
                 own risk.
                 Note that fingering motd@csua.berkeley.edu still works.
                 -geordan
                 \_ it's too offensive for the csua officers to take
                    responsibility for, that's for sure -chialea
                    \_ Don't you mean it's too offensive for tjb to swallow?
                    \_ which is utter bullshit, but that's okay. --scotsman
                    \_ It's also utter bullshit that a link on the CSUA web
                       page to a public forum means that the CSUA officers
                       "take responsibility" for that forum.  -tom
                       \_ Yeah, especially since half the posts are from tom
                          \_ Hey!  No fair!  Tom isn't the only one trolling
                             the motd.  We've got a contract that guarantees
                             the rest of us equal time. -motd troll union #42
                       \_ It is. Would YOU like to talk to the ASUC about
                          it? -chialea
                          \_ Who exactly from the ASUC said that stuff on the
                             motd fell to the responsibility of the Politburo?
                             I'd love to see that decree... --scotsman
                          \_ ASUC can make you responsible to them but you are
                             not legally responsible under the law.  Meaning
                             ASUC can cut CSUA funds but you can't be charged,
                             sued, arrested or whatever for it.  Either way,
                             you, as an officer, are not personally liable.
                             If some know-nothing ASUC student clown tries to
                             say different, I'd tell him to go talk to his
                             lawyer because it aint so.
                          \_ It *used* to be available. Was it that tmj think?
        \_ you don't.  This discussion is over.

3/26    I am tired of my motd entires get overwritten, why won't people
        use motdedit already?
        \_ If y'all just stopped using emacs and pico, we'd be fine...
        \_ Cause idiots lock the motd for hours at a time (like right now).
        \_ what's the point anywayz, the liberal scum here will just delete
        anything that is common sense and hide the truth.
           \_ Don't you mean the Republican scum here pulling crap out of
              their ass?
              \_ No.  Conservatives are open for debate on any topic.  We
           Is there a FAQ on the motd file lock written somewhere? The motd FAQ
           is more of a conduct guide. Or is it just whoever comes up with
           "fstat /etc/motd.public" at a given moment? (aspolito as of a minute
           or so ago)
                 believe that what we believe is based on substance and thus
                 can be defended in a debate setting.  We also believe that
                 most of what leftists believe is based on feelings and other
                 sources of non-substance and therefore undefendable.  We have
                 no fear of debate or reason to censor.  Thank you for adding
                 your small bit of wit to the motd.  As an aside, it appears
                 to me that the first "anywayz, the liberal scum" post was
                 posted by a leftist scum trolling for attention,
                 rather than a conservative who had no cause to write such
                 a thing.  Have a nice day.  --motd conservative
                 \_ Yeah, all those Right Wing religious people have belief
                    systems based on reason and substance. Do you really
           Is there a FAQ on the motd file lock written somewhere? The motd
           FAQ is more of a conduct guide. Or is it just whoever comes up
           with "fstat /etc/motd.public" at a given moment? (aspolito as of
           a minute or so ago) [ reformatted - motdformatd ]
                    believe this?
           \_ Hi, TJB! -chialea
        \_ I've been poking around trying to grok the file lock.
           Is there a FAQ on the motd file lock written somewhere? The motd FAQ
           is more of a conduct guide. Or is it just whoever comes up with
           "fstat /etc/motd.public" at a given moment? (aspolito as of a minute
           or so ago)
           \_ are you sure?  anthony is still asleep next to me.
              \_ Check 'er out yerself.
                 \_ that's not a lock.  that's a handle to the file.

3/18    Boring alert!  Boring alert!  MOTD will soon be nuked if it
        continues to be so boring.
        \_ ok.. i'll stir up some controversy. there's plenty of land in the
           world. someone should make a reactor go critical in jerusalem.
           forcing all three religions to find a new capital. problem solved!
           \_ maybe some terrorist group could unleash a really dirty
              bomb ( i.e. conventional explosive wrapped in lots of nasty
              nuke waste) there and get the same effect.
        \_ And you're partly to blame.
        \_ Yeah good, smart, I'm sure zeroing the motd makes it more
           interesting.  Who let *you* into Cal?
        \_ Perhaps you should post an article about abortion, wymyns
           rights, gun control, linux or something. You know the kind
           that brings out the troll in the avg. motd reader.
           \_ RIDE BIKE!
              \_ DRIVE CAR!
                 \_ GO TO TEXAS! EVERYTHING IS GOODER IN TEXAS!
        \_ Let's talk about how stupid and unobjective "objectivism" is.
        \_ What's wrong with the snails thread?

3/16    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A35609-2002Mar15.html
        This anti-nuke thing will never work. We all know its just science
        fiction.  When will they stop lying to us about it?
        \_ sometimes it is the futile struggles that are most important.  Like
           educating morons on the motd.
           \_ I keep hoping that the nutwingers will figure out one day that
              bread is more important than bombs.  Until then we need to keep
              on trying to educate them.
              \_ That's right.  Bread is more important.  Bread and circuses.
                 Romans understood how to keep the proles in line, one day
                 we will too.
                 \_ It's more like war booty and circuses.
              \_ Man lives not on bread alone.
              \_ Eternal vigilence is the price of freedom. Bombs ensure that
                 there is bread and the freedom to enjoy it.
                 \_ Bombs can also be used to take away freedom.
                    Dictators, Nazis, Commies tend to be the ones who
                    want to spend the most on weapons, to oppress its
                    own people and to bully and invade other countries.
        \_ As if the Russians or any one else, except us,
                   vote buying.
           ever adhered to the ABM treaty.  There was no verification,
           it was completely unilateral.
                   do you the former Soviet Union curtailed production
                   of ICBMs after the fall of the Berlin Wall.  In fact,
           \_ What's that got to do with it?  They're wasting billions of
              government dollars on star wars.  Next that'll spend a few more

--------
 To The UCB Campus Community:

 HELP SHAPE THE FUTURE!

 It has been almost two decades since the campus has formulated a
 comprehensive strategic plan.  In the last few years, two changes in
 the academic environment made it urgent that Berkeley develop a new
 strategic plan.  First, the Office of the President has mandated that
 the Berkeley campus increase enrollment by 4000 students by the year
 2010-2011.  Second, the Regents have mandated that the Summer Sessions
 be 'regularized' and made similar in content and quality to the fall
 and spring semesters.  These changes represent a unique opportunity
 for the campus to develop new programs and expand its offerings.  On
 the other hand, this growth also puts stress on the space and
 infrastructure within our physically constrained campus.  It was clear
 that careful planning is essential to assure that the quality and
 reputation of the Berkeley campus would endure while accommodating
 these changes.  As a result, Executive Vice-Chancellor and Provost
 Paul Gray established a Strategic Planning Committee in Fall 2000 to
 consider these pressures and to make recommendations to the Chancellor
 and the campus.  This committee was carefully composed to include
 representation from the administration, the Academic Senate, staff and
 students.

 The deliberations for the academic strategic plan began within the
 context of growth outlined above, but expanded to consider all aspects
 of the academic enterprise since it was clear that all facets of the
 campus are tightly interrelated.  The purpose of the Working Paper is
 to document the deliberations to date, to identify concepts for
 further consideration and investigation, and to engage the campus
 community in a discourse of these concepts at this critical juncture.
 The working paper is the foundation for an implementation plan
 currently under development by the Strategic Planning Committee.  The
 purpose of this memo is to elicit your comments on the paper so that
 it and our implementation plan can reflect the input from the whole
 campus community.

 The committee invites you to send your comments through the Strategic
 Planning website at:
 http://spc.vcbf.berkeley.edu
 Questions and comments will be accepted through Sunday, March 31,
 2002.

 Campus forums will be held during the month of April to gather input
 on a draft academic strategic plan.  The following dates have been
 set.  Please attend one of these forums to talk with committee members
 about how the strategic plan will guide the Berkeley campus for the
 next two decades.

 Campus Forums:
 *Graduate Assembly - Thursday, April 4, 5:30 -7:00 pm @ ASUC Senate
 Chambers
 *Student Forum - Friday, April 5, 12 noon - 1:00 pm  @ 2050 VLSB
 *Staff Forum - Monday, April 15, 12 noon - 1:00 pm @ Sibley Auditorium
 *Faculty Forum - Thursday, April 18,  5:00 - 6:30 pm @ Sibley
 Auditorium
 *ASUC Senate - tba @ ASUC Senate Chambers
 *Academic Senate - Thursday, April 25, 3:00 - 5:00 pm @ Sibley
 Auditorium

 Strategic Planning Committee Co-Chairs
 David Dowall, Chair, Academic Senate
 William C. Webster, Vice-Provost, Academic Planning & Facilities
        \_ what the hell is this?
        \_ An extra 4000 students on campus plus additional support staff of
           maybe 1500?  Madness.  It's sheer madness.  I feel really sorry for
           that batch of students.  Parking, housing, class availability, etc,
           etc are all going to get worse.  Nothing good will come of this.
        \_ Just make sure you dump the SAT.  Replace it with
           a fast food preparation skills assessment test.
              billion researching The Force.
                \_ I FIND YOUR LACK OF FAITH DISTURBING.  --Vader
                \_ Oh I'm sorry, I seem to recall many frothing at the
                   mouth because they were upset the U.S. was abrogating
                   ABM.  And, frankly the FED also wastes money on:
                   AIDS research for a disease, even if it exists, is
                   100% preventable, welfare and sundry government
                   handouts, which have effectively devolved into
                   vote buying, I could go on and on.
                   At least this is National Defense - the preeminent
                   responsibility of the federal government.  Incidentally,
                   do you think that the former Soviet Union curtailed
                   production of nuclear ballistic missiles
                    after the fall of the Berlin Wall?  In fact,
                   they have vastly accelerated production, partially
                   at the expense of the US taxpayer.
                   \_ Most heart diseases are also preventable.  They
                      are caused by "gluttony", one of the seven deadly
                      sins.  In fact, if men don't sin, we would just
                      be like Adam and Eve before their Fall and would
                      live forever.
                      \_ You don't have to believe in the Fall to know
                            on research for the sake of gluttons!
                            on research for the sake of gluttons!  Same
                            for those drug and cigarette addicts!  Let
                            them die, they deserve it!
                         that abstinence would have prevented the vast
                         majority of AIDS cases.
                         \_ And moderation in diet would have prevented
                            the vast majority of heart problems.  The
                            government should stop wasting my tax money
                            on research for the benefit of gluttons!  Same
                            for those drug, cigarette and alcohol addicts!
                            Let them die, they deserve it!
                                \_ Thats not the point.  You are coerced
                                   to pay for it - At Gunpoint!

3/3     Can I run a MUD on soda?  How about a netrek server for me and my
        friends?  Maybe an IRC node, too.  And oh yeah, would it be ok if I
        ran a few p2p clients and the seti/cancer cure/auto-spammer client,
        too?  I can install all this stuff on my own.  I just need access.
        Thanks!
        \_ Yes.  By all means.  It will speed your departure. !staff.
        \_ there are other ways to be a hoser.  I am sure you will find them.
        \_ Back in my day we didn't ask permission to install software, we'd
           just break root and install shit.
        \_ Uh, I assume you're being facetious, but except for the filesharing
           stuff (juarez policy) and auto-spammer crap (obvious reasons), why
           the heck not?  I'd keep it off soda, maybe, but the CSUA used
           to run a bunch of public servers (crossfire, netrek, anonymizer,
           whatever.)  If you're willing to put in the time to help maintain
           some machines for the purpose, why should anyone object?  What
           is the CSUA server/hardware situation right now, anyway?  -John
           \_ Yeah, tom or peterm used to run a netrek server on soda.  It
              was back when the lottery scheduler was agoing.  I'm not
              sure how well it would behave on current soda, and I'm not
              sure if there was some policy decision causing it to stop,
              but go for it, duud... --scotsman
                \_ It wasn't me, and I don't think it was peterm.  There is a
                   general policy on daemons, or at least there used to be;
                   you had to have a README letting root know what it was, and
                   root reserved the right to kill it if it was causing
                   problems.  -tom
           \_ Yes I was clowning around.  I thought it was obvious but look
              how many fools took it seriously.  There's no need to troll the
              motd.  People are begging to get trolled around here.  Lighten
              up, folks.  I thought it was easy to get stoned at Cal.
              \_ most motd posters are no longer @ cal.
                 \_ So?  Drugs are everywhere.  Find them.  Get your doctor
                    to prescribe something.  They love doing that.  Drink
                    heavily.  Anything will do.
              \_ So you're saying that was your weak attempt at humor?
                 \_ No.  I'm not saying that at all.  Maybe it was too subtle
                    for you and you feel stupid having responded as if it was
                    a serious post.  I'm guessing you're one of the first 2
                    replies.
                    \_ Nah, I think the guy is responding to the fact that
                       you're acting like a jackass.  *shrug*

2/22    How famous is professor Culler? Looking for a decent prof to do
        undergrad research with. I've heard bad things about Patterson and
        other "big shot" profs. Any comment?                    -junior
        \_ Some of the things that should be said in response to an inquiry
           like this are best said off the record and offline. Drop by
           the CSUA office or the HKN office some time, and there should
           be people around who can say some of said things. Certainly
           if I'm around I should be able to give you a braindump. -alexf
        \_ Maybe you want someone famous like bh who got listed in the geek
           book as "the friendly hacker" or something like that.
           \_ what is "the geek book"? --geek wanna-be
        \_ He is well known and respected in his field.  Here's a question
           for you: Why do you want to do research?  --jon
           \_ I'm bored of undergrad classes. I want more challenge. I want
              to read and publish interesting research topic. I want to go
              to read and publish on interesting research topics. I want to go
              reason jon???
              \_ All your research topic are belong to us.
              \_ And wants em good engrish skill!
              to grad school (research experience helps). Are those good
[restored]
              reasons, jon?
              \_ Jon's question was totally valid. If you care more about
                 grad school (and want to go to school for prestige/money)
                 than the other things mentioned, than picking a name-brand
                 prof might be more important. Also, the CSUA is off-the-rec
                 as long as you don't sign your posts...
                 \_ I would not, in general, trust advice from unsigned motd
                    posts on anything remotely important. -alexf
                    \_ Is this self-fulfilling?
                    \_ alexf, I strongly advise you *not* to go on a killing
                       spree on campus.  --unsigned motd poster
        \_ Pick a professor that you like, that you respect, whose philosophy
           agrees with yours. Don't worry about "fame". You're at Berkeley.
           Everyone's pretty great. Look for someone whose interests are like

2/22    Ah, motd censorship
        http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=127&u=/020221/7/14xd0.html
        \_ [motd url formatd was here]
        \_ I don't know who deletes threads.  I rather they stay up
           so I can critique them.  -soda conservative
           \_ you mean ridicule.
                \_ Perhaps you're projecting your perception of
                   which side is making the better points.
           \_ Seriously, is there really a point to it?  The article is so weak
              it almost looks like a strawman.  Why bother? It's too easy.

2/18    restored.  "curling" as the only topic is beyond boring.  jesus h.
        christ what are you trying to do?  let's just go back to
        uname -a > /etc/motd if curling is going to be the big motd topic.
        \_ curling IS boring.
           \_ Chess is fun!
              \_ Speaking of chess, anyone who comes to soda want a regular
                 chess partner?  I need to practice more.  -- ilyas
              \_ It is!  It should be an olympic sport.
        \_ I've forgotten my olympic events.  Is Baseball an olympic event?
           \_ trolling the motd should be an olympic event.

1/30    Stupid Question:  How does one read the MOTD archive?
        \_ It sure is.
        \_ assuming you know how to read...um...how did you ask that
           if you need to know???
        \_ Yes, it is.
        \_ It is not a dumb question since I have yet to see a README or
           FAQ about it. For a start, though, I've heard it is mehlhaff
           who archives the motd. Maybe you should try poking around
           ~mehlhaff/.
           \_ first rule of motd: you do not talk about motd.
              second rule of motd: you do not talk about motd!
           \_ ~mehlhaff/tmp/motd,v.  Use "rlog" and "co -p" to read it.
              \_ I've found it's easier to grep or search in an editor if I
                 have an idea of what I'm looking for.

1/24    What's the encryption method soda accepts now?  SSH used to use
        blowfish now it's 3des.  How come it changes around?
        [motd format god was here. next time the motd delete god will be here]

1/2     I'm still curious why stalkers post their psycho shit on the motd.
        Any current or former motd stalkers care to explain?
        \_ What's your name/number/measurements? Tell me, and I'll explain
           it to you.
           \_ 3.5" around, 7" long.  Explain now, please.
              \_ That gives me a hard-on.

12/29   motd how-to-post:  mm/dd(tab), not mm/dd(space).  motd format god
        was here.
        \_ who cares?
           \_ More people than you might think (esp if you want your post to
              be read).  *shrug*    -mice
              \_ just change your tab stops.
                 \_ how about you just hit 'tab' and follow the standard?
                    \_ what standard? This is not the same standard enforced
                       by the motd formatting daemon.
                       \_ go read the motd faq off the csua web page.  and
                          yes it is the enforced motdformatd standard.
                          \_ This must be new. I don't remember all these
                             rules being in place when I joined.
                             \_ the file is a couple months shy of 2 years
                                old.
                                \_ the file has a history longer than that.
                             \_ They're not rules.  They're guidelines so the
                                motd is readable.  Stop now with the anarchist
                                wannabe stuff.  Learn to cope.  Life is full
                                of rules and guidelines.  Most of them exist
                                for a reason.
                             \_ when you joined (and when was that?) there
                                weren't as many dumbfucks.  people back then
                                were smart enough to do the right thing
                                without needing to be told.  idiot.
                             \_ well, gee, shouldn't the "standard" specify
                                default tab stops then?  and what about
                                replies?  In order to get the \_ part to line
                                up with the parent, you usually need to do
                                <tab> <tab> ... <space> <space> <space>.  That's
                                not tab stop agnostic.  Get over it.  Oh, and I
                                also see that the standard fails to mention that
                                everybody should keep posts within 80 columns,
                                although, since the tab stops aren't specified,
                                who knows what 80 columns is?

12/19   From now on, all political drivel will be immediately eviscerated
        from the motd.
        \_ It isn't your motd.  You're only going to start mass motd
           deletions which make is useless for everyone.  If you don't like
           a thread, don't read it.  If you don't like the motd, don't read it.
           You're in no position to decide what topics are appropriate for
           the motd.  When you ride out of Heaven on a glowing silvery cloud
           and land in my living room you can tell me what motd topics are
           allowable.  Until then I suggest you rethink your personal little
           censorship policy.  Remember, anyone can delete anything here
           which includes whatever your favorite topic threads are.
        \_ Right - you live in a vacuum where your life consists
           to whacking off over fantasy games and extolling the virtues of
           Linux.  And people wonder why CS is replete with
           irretreviably pathetic dweebs.

12/19   From now on, all posts critical of the Israeli government will be
        immediately eviscerated from the motd.          -- soda mossad
        \_ You're a meanie
        \_ And anything from the libertarians too because if a libertarian
           says something we shouldn't even hear about it.  We all know
           they're insane so we can dismiss everything they say without
           thought or intellectual effort.  Oh wait, no, this is Berkeley.
           No one at Berkeley would do that!  We have the highest standards!
           \_ Not anymore. The quality of thaistix this year really sucks.
        \_ this article is about Muslim Bedouins in the Israeli
           army:
         http://www.nytimes.com/2001/12/19/international/middleeast/19MIDE.html
        -danh
        \_ The palestinians are stupid- they could have had land as mandated
           at the end of WW II.  Instead they were duped, and continue
           to be duped, by their leaders, by their 'Arab' brethren,
           and their hate for Jews, to perpetually fight to push all
           Jews into the sea.  Jews have been there since time eternal,
           and they have a right to be in Jerusalem.  All this trite
           demagoguery does nothing to obscure the facts.
        \_ it looked like the plan offered to arafat by barak and the US
           would have split the palestinians into 4 different pieces
           of land, with israeli controlled roads between them.  true?
           \_ I've read that somewhere.  I haven't read an original source,
              only interpretations of the agreement from people with an axe
              to grind.
           \_ There is some truth to that. Some have interpreted recent
              statements by Powell, Bush and Blair of a "viable Palestinian
              State" as meaning that this division would not exist in
              peace settlement/proposal. As to Barak's offer, it was indeed
              the best and most generous offer given to the Palestinians
              by the Israeli side. Unfortunately, as "good" as it was it didn't
              meet the minimum "requirements" of the Palestinians by not
              dealing with certain "HOT" topics.

12/13   I am a CSUA alumni member who would like to surreptiously take
        control of the new Politburo, as a way of preventing the ineptitude
        of the Fall '01 officers from presenting itself again.  What is the
        best way to form my shadow government?
        \_ He who owns the motd owns the future... or something like that, no
           wait, maybe it was the wall, or hoserchat, or... nevermind.
        \_ you should sell weapons to other student organizations to
           create a slush fund for your sub-group in the CSUA.  use
           this to fund your coup.
        \_ mmmmm, csua puppet regime...
        \_ spawn offspring, and have them enter the csua when they
           enroll at cal.

12/11   A question for long time vegetarians.  Do you breath with your chest
        or do you breath diaphgramatically (with your belly).  I guess this
        question applies mostly to people of Indian descent.  I just started
        learning how to breath with my diaphgram.  Supposedly it's an Indian
        or East Asian practice.  I'm wondering if there's a correlation.
        Thanks.
        \_ Just remember, paying _too_ much attention to your breathing for
           a long time can seriously hoze you, because you can make your body
           rely on conscious control for breathing, and then you might
           suffocate in your sleep.
           \_ Utter bullshit.
          However, you cannot use these muscles alone to breathe.  The most
           \_ Can someone please conduct an independent experiment verifying
              this?
           \_ Which is why if you have the will power to hold your breath until
              you pass out, you'll start breathing again automatically.  Or
              something like that, right?
        \_breathing with your diaphragm is the way all humans breathe.
          If neural signals to the diaphragm get cut off, you suffocate.
          However, your inner costal muscles, (located between and around your
          ribs,) will also expand and contract, which can help with breathing.
          many people rely on these muscles in addition to the diaphram.
          However, breathe these alone use muscles you cannot to.  most The
             space for your lungs.  Your diaphrgam, which is located
          efficieant method is to relax your inner costals, and use your
          diaphragm alone.  I bet that's what you are learning.  However
          breathing like this is not a part of any culture, or part of being a
          vegiatarian... it's the way our physiology works.  Please take a
          human anatomy or physiology course for more information.
                                      -Sofia
             feet, thus allowing you to breathe deeper.  BTW, it has
          \_ I think you mean "intercostals" --scotsman
                                        -Ychang, MSII (2nd year med school)
          \_ no one really uses their costal muscles (of which
             there are three layers) to breathe unless your diaphrgam
             is failing.  There is limited expansion capabilities with
             your rib cage and relaxed costal muscles help create more
             your space lungs for.  diaphrgam Your, which located is
             between your lungs and your abdominal organs, such as
             the stomach and the liver, is your main breathing organ.
             It basically rises and falls with every breathe.  What
             You're probably asking is the relaxation of your abdominal
             muscles which allows you to create a vacuum in your
             abdomin, thereby drawing the diaphgram down toward your
             feet, thus deeper you breathe to allowing.  BTW, it has
             nothing to do with being vegetarians.
                                        -Ychang, MSII
                \_ breathing deeper using this method allows you to cleanse
                   your body even more.   If you breathe in a shallow manner
                   you're not using the whole capacity of your lungs.  And
                   as the poster below suggests, it is used in meditation.
                   I find that I'm a lot calmer and more relaxed since I
                   started breathing this way.  -original poster
             \_ learn to format.  -motd formatter
                   more Indians (or vegetarians in general) would know about
                \_I'd appreciate it then if you would teach me.
                  \_ Motd formatting is 80 cols with left justification
                     indented three spaces in from the previous comment.
                     Your initial post went well beyond the line.  I would
                     guess you had your editor set to around 90 columns
                     when you added your comment. This makes it very annoying
                     to read on an 80 column terminal. --motd formatter (Q.E.D)
                     [ reformatted - motd formatting daemon (I get your point
                       but it was annoying me too much ]
                     \_ then get a bigger terminal.  Think Different.
             \_ From what I've read, pregnant women often have much less
                space for their diaphragm to move, and so use costal
                breathing to a much greater degree.  Also, singers and
                yoga types will often use costal breathing as well as much
                deeper diaphragmatic breathing than most people. --scotsman
        \_ All that said, I have heard that many yoga and meditation classes
           often teach to focus on breathing patterns by focussing on
           control of your diaphragm... so maybe that's the connection the
           original poster had in mind.
                \_ Thank you.  That is exactly what I was trying to get at.
                   ychang's explanation of draphgramatic breathing is
                   what I'm learning.  I brought this up because I thought
                   more Indians (in or vegetarians general) would know about
                   this and therefore practice it.  From what I see there
                   is no correlation.  -original poster
        \_ I am not of Indian descent, and I also sometimes communicate
           in a total stream of conciousness babble, so i think that
           crosses cultural lines.
        \_ Unless you're a vocalist or a singler, why do you want to breathe
           that way?
           \_ It's good to breathe well.  Breath is as necessary as water,
              and though it is generally involuntarily controlled, it's a
              relaxing and possibly beneficial thing to pay more attention to.
              Take a (good) yoga class. --scotsman
                          \_ suggestions in Berkeley area? - ! previous poster
                             \_ 7th Heaven on 7th between Univ. and Ashby.
           \_ Many martial arts use this kind of breathing. - mikeym
        \_ how does one not breathe with their diaphram?
                       -confused white boy born with functional diaphram
        \_ Shitting on the street in broad daylight is also an Indian custom
           - does that mean I should do it too?
           \_ This is not an indian custom.
                \_ You sure?  Maybe it's just a Fremont thing.
                   \_ maybe it's a Berkeley thing, like walking in sewage?
                   \_ Pretty sure. People in the really poor slums might
                      "do thier business" in the streets, but you have to
                      search these areas out in most south indians cities.
                      In south indian villages this sort of thing can lead
                      to stoning etc. I can't speak for north india though,
                      as I've never traveled there.

12/11   Alpha Chi Sigma has rooms available for the spring semester.
        The house is on northside, 3 blocks from soda hall and
        has an ethernet behind a DSL router.
        email Edward Pizzini <pizzini@jps.net> for more information
        \_ Ran out of people to haze this year?
           \_ c'mon, be fair... they probably just ran out of goats to
              have people with. [I think this is funny and will keep
              haze people with. [I think this is funny and will keep
              restoring it everytime you delete it. hoser.]
              \_ motd was restored.  old motd.  Also, don't you know ACS
                 is a professional Chemistry fraternity?  There is a picture
                 of some membership on the latest College of Chemistry
                 alumni mag.
                 \_ professional, eh? Well I say, where there's hazing
                    there's goats.
           \_ Yes, we stopped playing "Guess The Acid Taste Test" after
              someone drank a whole cylinder of fuming nitric like a shot.

11/22   motd restored
        \_ shouldn't that be 11/23?

why the fuck did you delete my posts regarding college application.
you have no respect for us college students, and i shall have no
respect for you. motd will remain this way for the rest of this week.
\_ Who did this?  You shall have no respect for whom?  Certainly not
   99.999% of us.
\_ nazi

11/19   What happend to the motd archive?  I missed the last few days' content.
-r--r--r--  1 mehlhaff  csua  7006936 Nov 15 19:12 motd,v
        \_ You COULD try asking mehlhaff yourself. I mean, seriously, how
           should any of us know except the man himself?
           \_ Will this entry be archived as well?  Now there's a message
              about the archive in the archive?
              \_ Will the above entry be archived as well?  Now there's a message
                 about the message about the archive in the archive.
                 \_ Aaaah, infinite recursion.  Help me!!!!
                    \_ GNU!
                       \_ What does the "G" in GNU stand for?
                          \_ GNU's!
        \_ Hello?  College student?  It's obviously mehlhaff's files.  Why do
           COLLEGE STUDENTS seem incapable of basic thought?  Or is it just
           pure laziness?
        \_ so motdwatch got stuck on tty input for a co.  RCS can be annoying
            sometimes.  -ERic

11/15   DNS PROBLEM. CSUA staff, can you please check the external DNS?
        only the www.csua.b--- is working. http://soda.berkeley.edu is not.
        thanks!
        \_ This has been expected for years. CSUA does not officially "own"
           http://soda.berkeley.edu. You've been told many times to use the csua
           prefix.
        \_ Is your attention span so limited that you can't read or scan
           the motd all the way through to see this topic already covered?
           \_ Can the CSUA Politburo lobby to keep a pointer from <DEAD>s.b.edu<DEAD>
              by suggesting this name has been around for a long time and
              is in many web pages, used by many people etc. A reasonable
              hostmaster shoud allow this if reasonably asked. Two big ifs
              perhaps.
        \_ Just out of curiousity, why can't http://soda.berkeley.edu be used
           by the CSUA?

11/7    % grep pedantic /home/digital/mehlhaff/tmp/motd,v | wc -l
            14
        Someone's been using this word a lot recently (compared to only
        2 for the previous motd archive).
        \_ pedantic
           \_ pedantic
        \_ ObPsb

10/31   If I can't attend the meeting because it's Halloween and I have
        better things to do, can I vote absentee on any motd issues?
        \_ If you have a life, then you don't deserve the honor of
           attending a CSUA General Meeting.
           \_ the csua general meeting, where the elite meet to perform
              neat democratic feats.
           \_ uh... is finishing my HW early and then going to Castro
              so crazy of an activity that no nerds in CSUA should be
              able to do it?

10/31   More on motd stuff.  So if we record who added something to the
        motd do we also record who censors it and what they removed?
        \_ of course not.  i think it's clear that thae same jerks who
           want to ruin the motd by logging it are also responsible for
           trying to ruin it with their deletions.
           \_ see paolo. -!tom
              \_ where is paolo anyway?  He hasn't logged in for a while

10/30   Motd privacy poll (extracted from newsgroup):
        \_ Laissez Faire, but Politburo can override anything: ...............
        \_ Laissez Faire: .......
        \_ Logged motd:
        \_ Logged motd, but names are only politburo accessible:
        \_ Logged motd, but logged names are encrypted:
        \_ motd.public and motd.logged (aka i agree with dbushong): .......
           \_ if .public is anonymous, then I agree with this (sorry
              I haven't read the ng).
              \_ Yes .public is anonymous.
        \_ Only available H07 42N CH1X can post (their phone #s): .
        \_ motd.ugrad and motd.alum:
           \_ You mean motd.alum and an empty file.
        \_ Only available H07 42N CH1NX can post (their phone #s): .
                                  \_ good lord, I hope this is unintentional
           \_ and URLs to their pix.
        \_ If the motd is logged, then how is it different than wall
           or the newsgroup?  Logging may help make the content more
           cs in nature, but it will stifle converstations like the
           ones about bad employers and layoffs. And it won't stop
           /cusa/tmp/motd.
           \_ motd.public is ! logged.  motd.logged is logged.
              cat motd.official motd.logged motd.public > motd.
              \_ This works for me. ----ranga
                 \_ then add a '.' in the dbushong column.
              \_ So what is the point of .logged if .public is
                 wide open? Whose going to use .logged?
                 \_ those who prefer a logged motd can decide to only ask
                    questions to and answer questions from the logged motd.
                    people like galen, tom, or whoever else signs their posts
                    might only want to post to a logged forum.
                        \_ the issue is what people see by default when they
                           log in.  I don't have a problem with idiotic
                           anonymous trolls, as long as they're in a file
                           like /csua/tmp/morons.  -tom
                           \_ So .hushlogin everyone by default and add
                              `cat /etc/motd.official` to the default files.
                              Anyone who wants to can change it to suit them-
                              selves without any policy or other real changes
                              to anything.  Why is this such a BFD anyway?
                              It takes two to troll.  Stop being such a big
                              trollee and maybe the trolls will go away from
                              lack of satisfaction.  You only feed them.  I
                              can't believe we're even having this discussion,
                              but oh wait, yes, I can, it's the CSUA.
                    \_ again, how is this different from using the newsgroup
                       or using wall?
        \_ kchang's happy point system:
          \_ actually I thought the ability to add polls/questionaire was
             really awsome. Every single vote was accounted for.
        \_ I agree with Paul:
        \_ Can some student w/ extra time on their hands set up a voting
           system so that we can (un)officially tally the votes on this one?
        \_ Don't forget to sign your votes. -geordan
        \_ Log motd and squish anyone seen posting to /csua/tmp/motd or other
           world writable files:
        \_ motd.logged and motd.cablemodem (so that cable modem users can
           access the motd): .
           \_ a logged motd would get rid of this STUPID ass joke which is
              not even funny.
                    off as a fool and ignored. in fact, i think the logged motd
                    should be "released" with an addon script that automatically
                    filters posts from users in your .motdignore file.
              \_ how would it do that  --dbushong
                 \_ because anyone who kept this joke going would be written
                    off as a fool and ignored. in fact, i think the
                    logged motd should be "released" with an addon
                    script that automatically filters posts from users
                    in your .motdignore file.
                    \_ As opposed to now... where you take them seriously?
                       I notice you're not signing your posts, oh champion
                       of a logged motd.  --dbushong
                 \_ A joke like that would probably be more suited to the
                    motd.public, not motd.logged file. It's possible that anon
                    motd posters post only stupid crap to motd.logged and post
                    relevant comments/questions to motd.public to show that
                    there is no point to logging the motd. In fact, I'm going
                    to be the first to do so.
                    \_ it's the inane, stupid, useless remarks that make the
                       motd interesting.

10/30   After reading the thread on http://ucb.org.csua on the motd, I realized that
        it's only a bunch of alums or dropouts bitching about it.  And of
        course the officers who run the show.  I'm curious, do the new
        members even care about the motd?  I bet the vast (99.9%) don't know
        anything about the motd and wouldn't give a flying fuck.  It's only
        that 0.1% that are bitching.  -alumni
                                       \_ alum, alumnus, or alumna
        \_ Wait, so the alumni don't count, and the politburo doesn't count,
           and "everyone else" doesn't care...who exactly is the important
           constituency?  -tom
           \_ yermom, duh. --phillip
              \_ yersister begs to differ!
           \_ Well, there haven't been more than 10 or so _active_ members
              that I've seen in a few years, so saying "just the politburo"
              is really almost equivalent to "most of the active membership"
           \_ I'm still a student. (but I've only been to 1 or 2 meetings)
                                                        - rory
           \_ alumni don't count.  alumni should get lives and not worry about
              the petty minutia of the csua.  students count.
              \_ I guess I won't be making any donations then. - alum
                 \_ wah wah wah.  Making donations to the group as a whole has
                    nothing to do with how the group runs minor daily details
                    like the motd.  - also alum who has made donations
           \_ is you is, or is you ain't, my constichency?
        \_ So when is a decision/vote going to be made?

motd nukage?
\_ yea

10/2    Where's the script that auto-archives the motd to ~mehlhaff/tmp/motd,v?
        I'd like to run my own auto-archive process / cron job.  Thanks.
        \_ man rcsintro
        \_ I use 'motdwatch -u mdd', all the scripts should be publicly
           readable.  From thatyou should be able to figure it out for
           yourself. -ERic

9/23    Hey vthanh, kill your damn job!
        \_ Poll (yes I realize 1 vote of politburo weighs more than 99 votes)
           sqish:     ..
                       \_ After viewing vthanh resume, I switch from no squish
                      \_ doesn't squishing depend on twink points or something
                         that tom used to keep track of? This seems like a
                         an offense that should recieve a *strong* warning not
                         a squish.
                       \_ After viewing vthanhs' resume, I switch from no squish
                          to squish: he's not nor ever has been a student at cal.
           no squish: (99).
        \_ mr. vthanh. the fucking pc you use to log on to soda probably
           has more cpu power than soda. use IT for your stupid prime
           numberiser.
           \_ so i see, this machine should primarily be used for writing
              to a world writeable file.  Why again do we need a 800 Mhz
              athlon for that?
                \_ his bc job is using up most of the cpu and makes
                   interactive stuff on soda very slow.  soda does plenty
                   of other things besides letting people edit the motd,
                   you fuck.
              \_ soda is also the mail server.  it handles lots of mail.
                 i guess it takes 800 Mhz to handle it all.
                 \_ don't forget its also the web server. it also takes
                    some amount of cpu power to support 100+ concurrent
                    logins of people running all sorts of interactive
                    programs.
                    \_ what sort of interactive programs are those?
                       \_ mostly tcsh, there are a lot of mudders on soda
                          who telnet elsewhere too.  oh, and wall takes a lot
                          of cpu.
                          \_ yeah, it's really annoying how people try to
                             do math or do something that makes this machine
                             compute.  Damn it, i like an idle machine! - alum
                       \_ emacs, pine, screen, irc, w3, w3m, lynx, etc
              \_ I think the point is, if it's for school-work, he should use
                 a campus-machine; if it's for industry work, he should use a
                 work machine, etc.
                 \_ There is (and hopefully will be) no policy against using
                    CSUA resources for schoolwork. If you have forgotten
                    that the CSUA is a student organization meant to serve
                    a university campus, you're hereby reminded of
                    that. It is a different and orthogonal issue that
                    Mr. Nguyen may not have chosen the best venue for
                    running his job (even if it should turn out that it
                    was being done for academic purposes), and should have
                    consulted rootstaff beforehand to get pointed at a more
                    appropriate CSUA resource to use for this task. -alexf
        \_ check out vthanh's resume, he's not a student at berkeley:
           M.S. Applied Mathematics, CSU Hayward, March 2002
           B.S. Computer Science & B.S. Mathematics, CSU Hayward, June 1998
           \_ ok fine this is a gray area, maybe he is hosing soda
              for classwork for grad school in hayward.  he still
              shouldn't hose soda for his giant bc is my driver's
              license prime? jobs, he should use a different machine,
              one other than the one 99.9999 percent of the CSUA uses,
              it's rude and inconsiderate.
                    \_exscuse me ignorance but doesn't the ticketing
                     system only alot mr nguyen only a certain amount of
                     processing cycles per second to prevent any one
                     user from hogging the CPU?
                        \_ that's a previous version of soda, this is no
                           longer the case
                           \_ can we make it the case again?
                                \_ The lottery scheduling system wouldn't
                                   make a difference for someone running only
                                   one process.  If he was running 5 jobs in
                                   parallel it would make a difference. -tom
           \_ what's he doing in a Berkeley student organization if he was
              never a Berkeley student?
              \_ Yeah, how did he get an account. I remember need my CAL
                 student id to get an account. - yet another alum
        \_ From /csua/adm/doc/policies/processes:
                As a courtesy to others, do not run programs that take
                up too much CPU power for too long. Background processes
                belonging to users who are not logged on will be killed
                if they are taking inordinate amounts of processor time.
           Am I the only one who remembers any of the CSUA's policies?
           -geordan
           \_ I'm guessing that the vast majority of csua'ers know the
              policies and try not to break them.
           \_ Why would his process eating up all the leftover CPU cycles
              be a problem to others when he's running it with nice 20?  I
              think the real problem is that his process has a big working
              set.  Last I checked, RSS=24M and VSZ=73M.  (BTW, I don't think
              non-Cal-students/alumni should be given soda accounts.  Maybe he
              was once a student and then got kicked out and ended up in CSUH.
              -- yuen
              \_ nice 20 doesn't work like people think it does.

9/16    A Modest Proposal: One of the threads below shows how confusing it is
        to have several anonymous posts on the same thread, with some but not
        others by the same author. So, to make life easier, if you feel like
        posting anonymously but will probably post again on the same thread
        and want people to know your posts are by the same person, just pick
        an arbitrary 32-bit int "sig" and use it to sign your posts on that
        thread. Then feel free to change your "sig" whenever. -0x1337D00D
        \_ What's with the 5+ line posts? Is it a concerted effort to render
           the motd useless?
        \_ Who is number 0x1?
           \_ You are number 0x6.
              \_ I AM NOT A NUMBER!  I AM A FREE MAN!
        \_ Wow, yeah... but are you sure 32 bits are enough!?  --foo
           \- i wonder what would happen if some number of people pledged
           to "join" the Brotherhood [And Sisterhood] To Indiscriminantly And
           Rapidly Delete Anonymous Motd Posts Regardless Of Content ...
           it might crowd out anon posts, but i suppose it is also possible
           it will lead to RCS madness. ok tnx. --psb
           \_ [post deleted as part of the 'Brotherhood (And Sisterhood) To
               Indiscriminantly And Rapidly Delete psb Motd Posts Regardless
               Of Content'. ok tnx.] (not to mention bad formatting)
                                            - 0xanonymouse
           \_ Soda has less than 4G accounts so far.
              \_ We need to plan for the future, though!  What if some of
                 these posts are still around when it has more than that?
                 Huh?  Did you think of that?  --0xDEAD1337CAFED00D
                 \_ No. We need to plan far ahead like IPv6. Just in case
                    there are 4000 CSUA posters per square foot of land
                    on earth. We need 128-bit signatures.
                    -0x49193631abedf0001242efacc012
        \_ You just need a unique id per thread. we don't need to track across
           threads. So the poster posts with id 0. the first to respond uses
           id 1, and so forth. if you post twice on a current thread, use the
           same id. the motd lock acts as a mutex so you don't need to worry
           about thread safety.
           about thread safety. -0x1

9/17    Politburo, is that you? Hail motd censor king.

9/14    MOTD poll: Worst CSUA officer ever

        mel
        appel
        kkat
        thorn
        lila    .
        paolo   .......
        politburo       .
        yermom
        dans .........
        \_ Yeah, he sucked.
           \_ I heard that he [Censored]

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9/14    to speak to the politburo fiat, were people inciting to riot or some
        such?  the wonderful thing about world writable files is ...  wait
        for it...  you can DELETE as well as add...  Unless the motd was
        being used to coordinate concerted attacks against the local mosque,
        get over your power trip, politburo, and return the motd to the
        people.  --scotsman
        \_ Well, according to the info down below, it seems like the motd
           was fairly normal (and downright tame compared to last nov.)
        \_ yeah, FUCK politburo censoring. Let's vote politburo members
           off the island

9/14    WTF was seano ranting about? Bitching about ignorant opinions being
        shoved in faces, people wanting the motd are "insecure"...
        The only insecure people here are the ones who can't deal with the motd.
        And maybe he should take his own advice and keep his ignorant opinion
        out of my face.
        \_ Maybe you should tell it to his face on csua instead of
           hiding it here where he won't see it --pld
           \_ too much spam there as it is. what's the point.

9/14    I'd like to make the following points:

    (1) If you haven't read wall.log yet (or don't know how to), at least
        one CSUA member had indicated to the Politburo that they felt
        threatened and scared by the racist comments in the MOTD.

    (2) The Politburo did not make this fact clear to the membership,
        that it was a basis for the closing of the MOTD.  Instead, it is
        described as "anti-arab sentiment offending many members" in
        /csua/pub/minutes/F2001/0913.politburo.
        (no offense intended to the CSUA Secretary)

        You're all human beings.  I'll let you figure out who was right
        and who was wrong here.  You can then return to what you were doing,
        instead of feeling incredulous, righteous, wronged -- whatever.

9/14    Regarding dan's and sofia's emails about the motd;
        First I'd like to thank them for making their positions clear.
        But I think this has nothing to do with legal rights. This was just
        people being pissed that the politburo had the arrogance to shut down
        the motd. Censoring is nothing new to the motd, the motd censors itself
        on a regular basis. But the idea that the CSUA or politburo is somehow
        responsible for stuff that happens to appear in the motd.public is what
        concerns me. There is a disclaimer; perhaps it needs to be more clear
        and/or prominent. Perhaps it should display some kind of warning before
        you're allowed to look at it. I mean really, there's so much crap in
        the motd that if you're even capable of being offended by the remarks
        of anonymous strangers you probably shouldn't read it. You can't trust
        the sincerity of half the things in motd either.

        Personally I think it's healthier in the end if all the ideas come
        out in the open. It's not like they go away when you censor them.
        I wish I could reassure Sofia that her fears are out of proportion...
        truly, there are potentially dangerous morons out there, yet the US is
        a different place than it was in the 40's and the civil rights movement
        along with fear of lawsuits means that internment camps are as much a
        thing of the past as slavery. Racist morons were out there the whole
        time anyway; events have given them a specific excuse to vent their
        hatred, but it doesn't mean we were safe from them before this, and
        these people are not the norm.

        Finally, most of the statements cited by dans look like they were from
        ONE PERSON with personal "issues"; they were also stripped of the
        (sometimes lengthy) opposing views that lots of other people posted.
        At some point I think people started just ignoring or deleting him.
        Once again, a few people with extremely offensive views popping up
        is a price of freedom and should be reflected in the disclaimer. Yet
        punishing the motd community as "irresponsible" in light of the reality
        of how it handled itself both on the day of the tragedy, putting up
        helpful info, and later, yes, dealing with hatred, is an injustice.
        \_ Agreed, but what happens when those ideas pose a real and direct to
           a persons safety and well-being?
        It's not like they go away when you censor them.
        I wish I could reassure Sofia that her fears are out of proportion...
        truly, there are potentially dangerous morons out there, yet the US is
        a different place than it was in the 40's and the civil rights movement
        along with fear of lawsuits means that internment camps are as much a
        thing of the past as slavery. Racist morons were out there the whole
        time anyway; events have given them a specific excuse to vent their
        hatred, but it doesn't mean we were safe from them before this, and
        these people are not the norm.
        \_ tell that to the arab who's store was shot full of ak47 bullets
           in indiana the other day.
           \_ I guess in all the hoopla about the racist comments, the posts
              about people being depressed by acts of violence against arabs
              in this nation seem to have been completely ignored.

        Finally, most of the statements cited by dans look like they were from
        ONE PERSON with personal "issues"; they were also stripped of the
        (sometimes lengthy) opposing views that lots of other people posted.
        At some point I think people started just ignoring or deleting him.
                                                                 or her._/
        Once again, a few people with extremely offensive views popping up
        is a price of freedom and should be reflected in the disclaimer. Yet
        punishing the motd community as "irresponsible" in light of the reality
        of how it handled itself both on the day of the tragedy, putting up
        helpful info, and later, yes, dealing with hatred, is an injustice.

9/14    Hello everyone.  Welcome to the underground guerilla motd.
        So much for censorship.  --PeterM
        \_ Indent your goddamn entries, whitey. --pld
                \_ I think that _was_ his entry.  2 lines long.
        \_ Anyone know which comment(s) resulted in the lock down?
           \_ Jon put the copy of it on ~jon/pub/motd.1.14055
              \_ once again, you are wrong that was not the complaint
                 that was voiced by several members.
                 \_ what was the complaint then? why the secrecy?
                    and in what manner was it voiced? (i hope not in the motd)
              \_ That's it? What a total waste of time this censoring has been.
              \_ That can't be right. The motd has been much more
                 offensive/childish/racist in the past and wasn't
                 censored. There must be a much more offensive motd
                 that jon didn't get a hold of.
                 \_ it was the last pre-nazi motd in the mehlhaff motd
                    rcs archive;  I did read the past few days worth of
                    motd in the archive and didnt find anything as offensive
                    as the politburo implied.  --jon
           \_ yes - they're in the csua@csua mail. - paolo
             \_ where is the list archived?

9/14    I propose a boycott of the old motd, even when it comes back.
        \_ Sounds good. You've got one supporter.
        \_ why don't you boycott soda?  you can get a life or maybe
           post whatever you want on the motd of your home/work machine?
           \_ You've got two.
          \_ don't boycott it. make sure the only message on it from
             now on is "use the free motd." -ali
             \_ works for me.
             \_ doesn't work as well, since it's not automatically displayed
                on login. What about some sort of cron job that makes sure
                the motd.public displays motd.csua info? or mirror the two,
                so that if the public is censored, all the information is
                freely available on motd.csua.  Course then it's no longer
                a boycott. I'll stop blathering now.

9/13    To our friends in the politburo: we respect and support our first
        amendment rights, and we believe the motd should be an open forum.
        Since we unabashedly support free speech, the tone of the motd over
        the past day has come as a painful reminder that with power
        comes responsibility. Since we understand that discussions on the
        motd may become heated, we ask that you show the level of maturity and
        respect that we have come to expect of the students and alumni of the
        finest educational institution in the world. Fiat lux.  --CSUA
        \_ oh get over yourself.  This isn't a first amendment right issue.
           Are you a fucking moron?  Noone took your right to free speach
        \_ oh get over yourself.  This isn't a first amandment right issue.
           Are you a fucking maron?  Noone took your right to free speach
           Are you a fucking moran?  Noone took your right to free speach
           away.  Noone took away your right of free assembaly.  All they did
           was take down a public message board THEY WERE PROVIDING IN THE
           was take down a pubalic message board THEY WERE PROVIDING IN THE
           FIRST PLACE.  If you don't like it start your own forum. -aspo
           \_ I am grateful to the Politburo,
              He who provides me anonymous opine;
              I hope He never raises his keyboard again in anger,
              I hope He never raises His keyboard again in anger,
              For I am a Sinner, and I have Sinned,
              Thank you Politburo!
        \_ I missed it.  What particular points on the motd during the last
                few days were offensive enough?
           \_ that question presupposes that there actually was a valid reason.

9/10    lately sparse and bland awfully been has MOTD The. fuck the What?
        \_ Ask not what the motd can do for you.
           Ask what you can do for the motd.
           \_ this is one of the funniest retorts I've seen in the last
              couple of weeks!  -zapruder's #1 fan
        \_ Stop reversing my posts.

8/28    How long do we get to keep our CSUA account? Will we get a warning
        if it is about to be closed? I have graduated but it is my connection
        to UCB. Thanks.
        \_ have you ever read the motd before?  have you noticed alot of
           people here are in their thirties?
           \_ You know, I _have_ noticed that there are motd posts by people
              in their 30's... good thing everyone signs their YoB.  --1976
        \_ you can get an alumni.eecs account.
           \_ I can? How?
        \_ You keep your CSUA account until you get squished.  Even after
           you die!
           \_ So don't do/SAY anything stupid!

8/17    Is a motd history stored somewhere (i.e. past 3 days)?
        \_ *sighhhhh*  Yes.
           \_ Where?  If it's so painfully obvious it should be posted
              somewhere (ie. README)
              \_ It's not obvious.  Someone seems to ask this question
                 at least once a week, like fucking clockwork.
              \_ what readme?  at any rate, maybe it should be added to
                 /csua/share/doc/FAQ
                 \_ Then people will start asking if there's a FAQ and
                    where it is.
                    \_ a copy of the FAQ is created in the home directory of
                       new users. (why isn't it a link?)
        \_ I have a script that makes an RCS update of the motd whenever it
           notices the motd change.  My RCS archives of the motd date back
           about 2 years.  Its in ~mehlhaff/tmp/motd,v.  You'll have to
           learn a little about rcs to figure out how to read it.  -ERic

8/15    how does one officially quit the csua?
        \_ You can check out any time you like, but you can never leave.
        \_ you can mildly offend any officer and that'll get rid of you.
           But dont try censoring the MOTD, that'll never get you squished.
           \_ it'll get you squished if you're not on the politburo.  if
              you're paolo, it won't.  -tom
           \_ I am using my first amendment right to disagree with tom.
              \_ And I am using my second amendment rights to shoot you in the
                 head.  Nothing personal.
              \_ not to mention censor my posts, eh paolo?  What an
                 idiot.  -tom
        \_ i don't believe there is a formal quit policy.  You can probably
           just ask the pburo to rm your directory. - paolo (who actually
           tries to answer the question without libeling others)
           \_ I am expressing my first amendment right to disagree with tom.

8/9     I'm 5 years out of college and I'm a lot lazier than before. I used
        to work 12 hours a day and was the king of our product. Now I barely
        work 4 hours a day (still get paid pretty well) and I don't really
        care about our product. Am I normal?
        \_ you're asking the motd if your *normal*!? um.. yeah, are you a
        \_ you're asking the motd if you're *normal*!? um.. yeah, are you a
           white or asian male between 22 and 35 who rides a bike to work
           at their sysadmin job for which they are paid upper 5 figures or
           six figires? do you carry alot of handguns? do you read unix
           source code for fun?  are you a libertarian? yes, you're normal.
        \_ I can't answer the normal/not-normal question. I'm 6 years out.
           Now I find I care more about bringing other programmers up to
           speed and turning them into better programmers. I still care
           about the product, but not as much as the company would like.
           That is, I've seen companies change product requirements at
           the slightest whim, so I don't get too attached to any particular
           product.
        \_ Well I'll be the the first to admit; I used to be a workaholic
           when I got this job at my current startup. Put in 60+ hours a week,
           worked two project sites, and almost gave up social life entirely.
           Now I limit myself to no more than 40-45 hours a week and I no
           longer live to work. I'm no longer over-passionate about work but
           still proud about what I do. Inner-happiness is, like Mastercard
           would say, priceless. - jthoms (5.5 yrs out)
           \_ I seriously hope you're not the first against the wall when
              the layoffs come.
              \_ He'll be the first up against the motd!
              \_ Luckily we're still OK in terms of financials so no layoffs
                 for us. Plus I'm still one of the cheapest employee they
                 have (since I'm the only junior guy here); and plenty of
                 useless senior guys here in front of me. :) But I am in no
                 way stating that I'm a slacker at work; I now know when to
                 stop working and enjoy life. - jthoms
                \_ how much are you paid?
                \_ Enough to cover major expenses and then some.
                |_ are you making six figures yet?  I am thinking I need to
                reach that in a year or two.  I am currently doing JSP/Servlets
                I can certainly do the whole product from start to end by mysel
              \_ Only the stupid ones don't appreciate a balanced worker.
                 Granted, too many of them are the stupid ones, but still..
                \_ considering EVERYONE went up against the wall when  the
                   layoffs came, I'm glad I didn't put 60 hrs a week into the
                   life suckers.   Doesn't matter how good your code is or
                   how good the product is, if yer company's busdev people
                   dont know how to make a buck off it.
        \_ I believe it is typical for those out of college to work
           very very hard.  Then later, cut down on their work because
           they are getting tired, or because there are other things
           in their life which are becoming more important than work.
        \_ the key is getting other people to do the work for you.  looks like
           you still got a lot to learn, grasshopper.
        \_ I must be the abnormal one here.  I've been in the business over 7
        years and I work exactly the same # of hours now as I did at the
        beginning, approx 40-45 hours/week.  The big difference is that now
        I am much more experienced, so I can tackle much larger and more
        complex projects and work much more efficiently.

8/3     paolo, why did you lie to the CSUA and the politburo about your
        policy violations?  -tom
        \_ Tom, what the fuck is your problem.  What part of
           motd != politburo don't you understand.  Are you even a student?
           \_ I have sent a complaint to the politburo already, and they have
                ignored it.  Hence the public complaint.        -tom
              the politburo's domain of responsibility.  Tom is alleging that
              paolo used/uses a script to auto-munge the motd.  I'm not
           - student, !paolo
           \_ Son, auto-munging of the motd is a squishable offense.  That is
                 the politburo's domain of responsibility.  Tom is alleging
                that paolo used/uses a script to auto-munge the motd.   I'm not
                sure I can explain any more clearly than that. -!tom
              \_ Daddy, how am I supposed to know that from Tom's post at
                 the beginning of this thread?  And, how does posting to the
                   motd about the matter inform politburo?  All it serves to do
                   is rile the soda public, most of whom don't attend politburo
                   meetings, and, even if they did, will NEVER be eligible for
                   politburo again in this lifetime.  Oh, and, by the by, are
                 you a student? - 1st respondent
                \_ I had more details in the MOTD, but paolo keeps deleting
                    them.  What possible bearing does my student status have
                    on the matter?  -tom
           \_ i dont see why you can't answer his question --motd
              \_ We will be discussing paolo's conduct at the first CSUA
                 General Meeting after the semester begins.
           \_ What part of "Tom wants to have an _open_ discussion" do you
              not understand.  In this case, whether Tom is a student or not
              is irrelevant to whether or not Paolo is doing anything.

8/3     Paolo, who wants to work with you? Also, do you guys have anything that
        you could actually call "technology", or do you think you can actually
        survive with a bunch of Servlets that send content that is "optimized"
        for wireless? Aren't there about 150 companies doing just that?
        \_ that's 200, punk.  but only one of them has Paolo!  There can be
           only one!
        \_ I don't work there.  I'm just a stockholder trying to help out
           a company. Someone said they needed a job. So much for being
           helpful on the motd. - paolo
           \_ Ok, can you ask someone who works there (dans, do you work there?)
              the same question. -op (original posta)
           \_ It seems like a select group of people are very unhappy with
                 care about pleasing everyone all the time.
              you.  What gives?
              \_ dunno.  I have my own circle of friends, and don't really
                 care about pleasing everyone all the time.  People really
                 resist change around here.  Change is important for an
                 organization to keep in contact with current membership.
                 Some people fear that.  As it goes around, "every group
                 has to have a boogeyman".  I guess that's just me, because
                 i bring change to the static, decaying system that used
                 to be the csua.  It's kind of funny tho how i've met a lot
                 of alumni in person
                 at parties and such other events and found most to be
                 very friendly and helpful.  Anyway, i've been told by my
                 friends to pretty much ignore motd/wall/tom, so I think I'll
                 take their advice.
                 of alumni in person at parties and such other events and
                 found most to be very friendly and helpful.  Anyway, i've
                 been told by my friends to pretty much ignore motd/wall/tom,
                 so I think I'll take their advice.
                 \_ I'm sure it has nothing to do with the fact that you
                    delete my MOTD posts, and have set up scripts to
                    automatically delete the MOTD every 3 minutes, in
                    direct violation of soda policy, while lying to the
                    CSUA and the politburo about it.  -tom
                 \_ I think you should wield Molly, my crowbar of
                    righteous indignation.  -John
                    \_ Is that related to the Mace of Hospitality?
                       \_ it's related to my fireaxe.

9/3     Vote to log the motd to identify motd nukers and people who
           discussion as a routine cleanup, but you happened to have posted
              i guess isn't necessarily to reprimand but to make sure your
              fuckup can be reversed.
                 anonymity, which is essential (IMHO). I think that the auto
           most of the folks having this discussion haven't been to a
              \_ Doesn't look very ruined to me.  I've seen the CSUA's books.
                 a bigger mail quota."  Not much charity there.  I've seen
                 \_ I've never heard a request for alumni to give talks.
                    any further info. The last time I wanted to donate,
                    I'd love to help out. ----ranga
           \_ no.
        \_ How about a automatic archiving system? It could create a
           web page with the motd contents every five minutes or so
           (depending on the rate of changes). Pages older than a week
           could get deleted automatically. It seems like this could
           preserve the anonymous nature while preventing the periodic
           automated nuking.
           \_ i agree with this almost totally. what i really want is
              an undo system so that when some dubass fucks up the
              motd by repeating some post 10 times or nuking an
              active thread, i can undo his action. it would make me
              happy if the motd got prcs'ed and i could run diffs against
              happy if the motd got prcs'ed and i could run diffs
against
              it easily. the side effect however is that some people might
              get identified.
              \_ I have been RCS'ing the motd on my own for years now.
                 Shouldn't be too hard to make restoral scripts.  -ERic
                 \_ What's the best way to do this? Does this involve a
                    script running in screen? I'm a unix dope.
        \_ I have a question about what constitutes a "wrongful deletion".
           Suppose the motd is several hundred lines long with a discussion
           near the end that is several days old. I happen to delete this
           discussion as a routine cleanup, but you happened to have posted
           to the thread just a few minutes before. I didn't intend to censor
           your post on purpose, but you don't know that, so I would get lumped
           in with the motd hozers right?
           \_ i think what you're saying gets solved by logging. the point
              i guess isn't necessarily to reprimand but to make sure your
              fuckup can be reversed.
              \_ The problem with logging is that it doesn't allow for
                 anonymity, which is essential (IMHO). I think that the auto
                 archiving + undo feature mentioned above would be the way
                 to go.
        \_ Why are voting on this?  You have no authority to enforce it,
           most of the folks having this discussion haven't been to a
           politburo meeting in YEARS, and haven't been eligible for longer!
           \_ because i'd like to know what other people think.
           \_ Some of us have donated and will continue to donate money
              and hardware to the CSUA. We like this forum and don't want
              to see it ruined.
              \_ Doesn't look very ruined to me.  I've seen the CSUA's books.
                 Not that many people are donating.  Usually when someone does
                 make a donation, it's along the lines of "My mail spool
                 filled up so I'm going to donate a hard disk so I can have
                 a bigger mail quota."  Not much charity there.  I've seen
                 how pathetic the responses are when the politburo asks
                 Alumni to come back and give talks.  I'm not saying all the
                 alums out there are this apathetic, but a lot sure want
                 to have a lot of say in how soda (and the CSUA for that
                 matter) is run without contributing much.
                 \_ I've never heard a request for alumni to give talks.
                    I would have done so if I knew about it.
                 \_ I have always been willing to speak and donate. I
                    volunteered for the Startup panel but never recieved
                    any further info. The last time I wanted to donate,
                    the current set of hardware had already been purchased
                    and I was told that when more was needed someone would
                    email me. If more hardware is needed please contact me,
                    I'd love to help out. ----ranga
              \_ the csua is in much better shape today than it was 4 years
                 ago financially.  less need for ask for alumni donations
        \_ isn't posting to motd a waste of time anywayz?
           \_ no.

8/2     Anyone knows how to make the auto-archive in ~mehlhaff/tmp/motd,v work
        again?
        \_ mehlhaff does.
           \_ yeah make soda stop rebooting
             \_ That's like selling your sister into prostitution and
                you being the pimp.  You can make a quick buck or two
                now, but it's going to bite your ass eventually (or
                perhaps your sister will bite your nuts off).
                Basically, the US Defense is nothing more than a leaky
                condom for Bush's presidency.  Sure you didn't get a
                VD this time, but how many ho's are you going to pass
                through before you pick up AIDS?
                The government needs to spend money, yes.  Not ON THE
                MILITARY though.  Funding worthy projects like
                environmental protection, cloning research,
                nanotechnology, etc. are where the efforts should be
                made.  Instead all those situations are being
                castrated.  Darwinism in reverse.
              \_ Linux.  Linux is the STANDARD.  Way to make soda stop
                 rebooting.

07/19   Hey, [motd formatting god], wouldn't it be more appropriate to
        refer to yourself as [motd formatting service]?
        \_ how about [ motd fmt svc ]?
        \_ Don't change my name in vain. -God
        \_ shouldn't the [ motd formatting god ] really be the
           [ motd formatting daemon ] in keeping with the BSD
           theme?

7/16    Did the motd-nukers go on vacation? Retention seems up since last week.
        \_ Wait a second... was it really Paolo?
        \_ defcon.  http://www.defcon.org
        \_ paolo was caught deleting the motd every 3 minutes; he's laying
           low for now.
           \_ Paolo is a moron.  Paolo's reasoning: if people delete stupid
              shit like kinneydrivel, then I will delete EVERYTHING.
              Typical commissar thinking.
        \_ Didn't you see my constant nuclear warfare on KinneyDrivel(tm)
           earlier today? i think you can still feel the fallout.
              \_ how did you guys know they were by kinney? he doesn't sign
                 them. i can now identify this kinneydrivel on sight but i
                 wouldn't have known who wrote it.
                 \_ It's kinney.
          \_ I know this has been covered before, but why are kinney's
             posts deleted? Is it length or content? I personally don't
             like the posts attributed to him as they are quite long,
             but I just skip past them. Deleting them seems quite harsh,
             unfairly abriding kinney's first amendment rights.
             \_ You seem a little confused.  First amendment does not apply
                to WORLD WRITABLE FILES.
                \_ its the principle of the thing. if you wish to have
                   they you should not engage in censorship either.
                   access to a medium of free and uncensored expression,
                   then you should not engage in censorship either.
                   do unto others and all that.
                   \_ The definition of censorship is very broad, it means
                      'deleting parts of something.'  Proofreading would fall
                      under that definition too.  I prefer to think of deleting
                      kinneydrivel as proofreading the motd (proofreading for
                      semantics is as important as proofreading for syntax
                      and spelling errors).
                      \_ It's not only semantics, it's community standards.
                         interesting to anyone except paolo.  It's just not
                         MOTD posts tend to be conversational, less than 10
                         lines.  kinneydrivel is lecture, 20+ lines, not
                         appropriate for the forum.  -tom
                         \_ I feel obligated to say something about Tom
                            Holub, because, as the Talmud says, "Silence is
                            akin to assent." As this post will make clear,
                            Tom truly believes that he can make my stomach turn
                            and get away with it. It is just such wrongheaded,
                            nasty megalomania, mindless egoism, and intellectual
                            aberrancy that stirs Tom to let advanced weaponry
                            fall into the hands of repressive New Age bottom-
                            feeders. It may be soothing and pleasant for him to
                            think that all major world powers are controlled by
                            a covert group of "insiders", but his politics
                            always follow the same pattern. He puts the desired
                            twist on the actual facts, ignores inconvenient
                            facts, and invents as many new "facts" as necessary
                            to convince us that he would sooner give up money,
                            fame, power, and happiness than perform a brain-
                            damaged act. Even if I agreed that Tom's hopeless,
                            testy editorials were of paramount importance, it
                            would still be the case that I resent being exposed
                            to disaffected hell-raisers. Do I blame society for
                            this? No, I blame Tom. While this letter hasn't
                            provided anything in the way of a concrete plan of
                            action, it may help us focus our thinking a little
                            better when we do work out a plan. For now, we must
                            investigate Mr. Tom Holub's intemperate principles,
                            ideals, and objectives. I, hardheaded cynic that I
                            am, will certainly be happy to have your help in
                            this endeavor.
                            \_ Did anyone bother to read this?
                               \_ yes.  it wasn't worth it.    -mice
             \_ this is a self-policed anarchy. i think most of us don't want
                long, badly-formatted, rambling drivel on the motd. as others
                have said, the signal to noise ratio is pretty low for him.
                i wouldn't delete them, myself. but it's not just him, anytime
                someone rambles on excessively they get de-
                \_ people don't read the motd for SNR or useful technical data.
                   I read it for entertainment, and the shitheads who keep
                   deleting anything remotely funny are just that:
                   shitheads.

7/16    I'm new to CSUA. Can somebody tell me who the following people are
        (one sentence per user please thanks):
        \_ hi troll!
        lila-
        kchang (is that you)-
        seano - see fucker
        fucker - see seano
        lila- she's just zees gal, you know?
        kchang (is that you)- twink
                \_ hello!       -kchang #1 fan
        tjb- trevor j. buckingham. controversial republican that complains
             about being oppressed and spouts lots of harsh remarks on
             newsgroups. smokes a lot of pot and is into turntablism.
                \_  he's a victim of the Jews.  Plus he denied a girl
                    sex.
                    \_ not just any girl, but a playboy playmate.
                       TJB was also involved in the notorious Han-Shen,
                       Tom Clancy CS61x incident.
                       Mike Clancy CS61x incident.
                       \_ In which he defected to the United States in
                          a Typhoon-class submarine. -geordan
        tom- grouchy bike Nazi
                \_ Tell us about the stars!
                \_ wait, I thought I was a communist.  -tom
                   \_ Okay you're a grouchy bike Nazi Communist eco nut.
                      Are you throughly ticked off yet?
        ilyas- russian guy who talks about physics and "AI" and "hard"
               theoretical problems... and is completely insane
                                                         \_ Hey! -- ilyas
                                              \_ Hey! -- ilyas
                                                 \_ Fine.  Incompletely.
        ali- arrogant Irani who knows C++ well. but no one cares.
        muchandr- strange slav who talks to aliens. or maybe he is an alien
        sky- recovering speed fiend
        psb- !psb, 'nuff said.
                \- ok. thnx.
           yermon-
                   \-for the second time, that's "ok tnx". ok tnx, --psb
                     \- ok tnx. -!psb 'nuff said.
                        \_ why all the thanking? they've done no service worthy
                           of thanks. call them bitches and slap their asses.
             \_ The origins of psb are shrouded in the mists of time.
                Legends speak of psb's presence in the hallowed halls
                before the first motd and the mark I.
                \_ Not that shrouded. See: /csua/archive/adm/aliases/members
                   That file pinpoints date of psb joining csua as Sep 30 1987.
                   \_ the dates on list the are inaccurate.  --!psb
                \_ There is always Partha, and there will always be Partha.
        dbushong - ?
                   --Alan Coopersmith
                   \_ psb is like the Tom Bombadil of the CSUA.
                      \_ except grouchier
                         \_ Doesn't Tom Bombadil have great powers that were
        kinney -- ?
                            never exactly explained?
                            \_ Well, he could do shit to trees, and he had
                               lots of food.  He also sang alot.
                               \_ Wasn't PSB supposed to be The Emperor in the
                                  CSUA Star Wars?  Isn't it strange to make
                                  him TB in the CSUA LOTR.  How about a Nazgul.
        uctt - The Rock
        asshole anonymous motd poster - me. plus you, it seems.
        \_ You should probably also learn about:
           yermom-
           \_ I know all about yermom
              \_ I know all about your gf
        bh - ?
        \_ Brian Harvey the faculty?
        alanc - lurks newsgroups at night, helping those in need.
        dbushong - he's just zees guy, you know?
        alexf -
          \_ WHOOHOO!!! I _AM_ The Most Anonymous MOTD H0zer! Ph33r
             my an0nym0us 1337n3ss. To quote a well-known source,
             "DO YOU KNOW WHO I AM?"  -alexf
        Galen - guy who uses a capital G.
        \_ What about phillip?
        ranga---- actually posts useful information. wrote a book or two.
                \_ isn't that against the CSUA convention? What book(s)?
                   \_ Wow:
                       its abit surprise for me no one ever pointed out the
        \_ What about phillip?
                       amount of typos in the book. i found many typos esp.
                       from the chapter 12 in both explanations and
                       examples. well... no complex examples are presented
                       in the book so you may easily correct the errors but,
                       \_ I'm not very happy about the typos. The original
                          manuscript contains few of the errors in the
                          finally printing. The converstion process the
                          publisher used involved Word which "corrects"
                          things that it things are "wrong". Also, there
                          were "readability" changes just before printing
                          that I was not informed about.
                       it is not something i expected from the 5 star rated
                       book from many guys. so i give it 2 stars to be fair.
                          with very little familiarity to UNIX. It was
                          some what difficult to come up examples for
                          this audience.
                       you are gonna end up spending extra times to correct
                       the errors.
                       \_ I'm not very happy about the typos, as the
                          manuscript contained very few of the errors
                          that were present in the printed version. The
                          conversion process used by the publisher involved
                          Word which "corrects" things that it thinks are
                          "wrong". There were some "readability" changes
                          just before printing that I was not informed
                          about as well. All of this contributed to
                          defects you mentioned.
                          Anyway, the examples are simple because the
                          intended audience is beginning computer users
                          with very little familiarity with UNIX. It was
                          somewhat difficult to come up with examples
                          for this audience.
                          I'm not sure where you got the "five stars"
                          bit though.
                          \_ hmm, you have enough errors right here on motd.
                             "familiarity to", "some what", "converstion".
                             \_ yes, I see your point. The manuscript was
                                was proofread by three or four people in
                                order to catch these types of errors (esp.
                                in the examples). In general my motd
                                postings rarely receive that much attention.
                                \_ dude, better quit while you're ahead.
                                   (btw, i before e except after c)
                                   \_ I should have had you proofread.
                                      \_ next time, slap the whole manuscript
                                         on the motd and let us have a go...
                                         \_ not a bad idea. I could post
                                            urls for the ascii text versions
                                            of each chapter.
                                                                _/
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-url/index=books&field-author=Veeraraghavan%2C%20Sriranga/107-4513998-0141306
        kinney -- [ Kinney's drivel deleted. ]

7/11    The motd is dead. Long live the motd!

7/11    Why do we bother to date stuff anymore? it all disappears within
        a couple hours regardless.
        \_ for the sex?
        \_ yeah, why does the motd get cleared so much quicker these
           days (or appears that way)
           \_ more intelligent people in the CSUA?
              \_ kinney!  kinney!  is the standard!  motd. poster.
           \_ more opinionate censors who don't like the free and
              unrestricted exchange of ideas. The intellectual
              content of the ideas is irrelavant, even drivel has
              the right to get posted and remain on the motd.
           \_ Its a conspiracy to kill the motd

6/29   Motd cleared.
        \_ thanks for telling us.
        \_ Thank you for providing such a valuable service! You're great!

6/22    John Woo doing TMNT!
        http://scifi.ign.com/comics/7000.html
        \_ Face/Off and MI2 both sucked raw sewage. John Woo is on thin ice
           for me.
           \_ Face/Off and MI2 both rocked.  Sure, they weren't anything like
              Harboiled, Hard Target, or Broken Arrow, but hey, they were
              entertaining and over the top, and that's why I go to see John
              Woo films.  If JW's doing TMNT, he's got my $8.  --erikred
        \_ They are going back to the "grittier" comics. This is going to
           suck. I liked the cartoons more, the turtle van, Rockstead and
                    we (and yes, it's a we) have come up with the people who
                    are actually posting to the motd; enough so that we can
           BeeBop, the evil aliens, etc.
                    poster's login.  soon to come: /etc/motd.authenticated!
           \_ BeeBop?  Is that like a BeeBoy?
           \_ Jaysis, yer a cunt.
              \_ paolo is that you?
                    \_ No I worte this. I liked the cartoons much more
                    \_ wow.  that really sucks ass.  Now the motd is going to
                       be boring and lame.  This is going to kill the best
                       part of motd.  Everything changes, I guess, and not
                       always for the better.     -mice
                    \_ I am unable to parse this post. "ya know what we
                       have come up with the people who are posting; enough
                       so that we can write a script..." huh?
                       than the comic books (I had original copies of 1-32
                       when I was in HS). The only one I liked was the
                       one where they go to china, I think it was #18.
                       ----ranga
                 \_ no.  i have the balls to sign my posts.  Ya know what?
                    We (and yes, it's a we) have come up with a way to id
                    the people who are actually posting to the motd - so we can
                    write a script that will annotate each post with the
                    poster's login.  Soon to come: /etc/motd.authenticated!
                    - paolo
                    \_ R.I.P. MOTD                           --mice
                    \_ This is really missing the point of the motd.
                       Except for people who censor and delete, why
                       do you care who did what to the motd?
                    \_ This is a terrible idea that will ruin the motd.
                    \_ who's we?  Anyways, it seems like the tool would
                       be more useful if it were not widely released to
                       sodans, but rather accessible by a limited cabal of
                       users.
                       \_ The cabal already have an id method. This new script
                          is being developed by us for use by everyone else.
                   \_ Weren't you the one aruging for unrestricted and
                      possibly anonymous posting on the motd just a few
                      days ago?
        \_ I think I've seen both TMNT movies the first week they were
           released and liked them pretty much.

6/9     motd has really sucked lately.
        \_ TEXAS! GO TO TEXAS AND ALL YOUR MOTD PROBLEMS WILL BE SOLVED.
           and econuts (idiotic global warming alarmists) vs. intelligent
           thinking human beings.
           \_ ALL YOUR MOTD ARE BELONG TO TEXAS! -- W.
        \_ Just last week we had two flame wars, on democracy vs. socialism
           and econuts (h07 42N CH1X) vs. intelligent thinking human beings
           (idiotic global warming alarmists).
           \_ Did not!   Idiot.

4/422   Hey, I know!  How about blowing away the motd and replacing it with
        nothing?  That would be fun, huh?  Restored.
        \_ NUKE THE MOTD! NOT NUKING THINGS WOULD BE EVIL, COMMIE, AND
           LIBERAL.
                \_ Uhm, is there a point to all this?  Are you trying to be
                   funny?  Sarcastic?  Witty?  Something else?  Obviously your
                   intelligence far surpasses mine and I'm unable to figure out
                   what you're getting at without it being spelled out for me.
        \_ Yeah! Thanks for the suggestion!
        \_ get the date right.
           \_ Done. APRIL NEVER ENDED.
              \_ what's this recurring "April never ended" thing?  Yes, yes,
                 if I have to ask, I don't know...
                 \_ That's the clueless version of the line.  The Real Thing
                    goes, "Those who know don't tell, those who tell don't
                    know".
                    \_ That's really stupid.

5/24    Hi.  Who here has played Red Faction?  I'm dying for a good
        game while waiting for gt and mgs2.  If you've played it
        please send me your comments since I can't read the motd
        through the firewall at my company.  I've got it on hold
        right now and am trying to figure out whether or not I want
        to shell out the $50 after work.  -- steviembeaumont@yahoo.com
        p.s. who's Janeway?  and Buffy died?  Noooooooo!
        \_ If you can read your yahoo mail, you can probably read the motd.
           Have you tried http://csua.berkeley.edu/motd and/or
           finger motd@csua.berkeley.edu?
            \_ who can log onto soda with just a browser? you can read yahoo
            email with a browser, i'm not poster but you are a clueless twink
                \_ You don't need to logon to soda to read the motd.
                   Insert witty Latin phrase about the dangers of a short
                   temper here.
                \_ Hmm, I'm logging on with just a browser right now.
                   http://www.csua.berkeley.edu/ssh  -- yuen
               \_ woops.  Still though, out of all of you, nobody
                answered except aspolito.  Thank you sir!
           \_ [a lot of idiots posting stuff contradicting the above deleted.
               the above is correct, and so is yuen. go fuck yourself.]
              \_ you need help. there was one person without a clue,
                 and then three people telling him he's wrong.

5/22    Vous etes l'homme maintenant chien!
        \_ qing bu shuo fa yu zai motd.  Wo men zhi you shuo zhong wen.
           \_ Mandarin?
              \_ dang ran!  duo shao ren zai CSUA hui shuo guang dong hua?
                 \_ ni shi ge xiao ben dan. (you are a little idiot.)
        \_ Sont les mots qui vont tres bien ensemble, tres bien ensemble.
        \_ Sean Connery is huge in france, doncha know
           \_ Je suis l'homme chien! - S Connery
        \_ Is this French?
        \_ Kimochi!Kimochi! chichirin ga hoshi
           \_ anta ga hentai. yameroo.
                -\- omanko mo hoshii
           |---- What no girl talk ?`

05/01   For those motd readers who still haven't figured out the P notation
        used on the motd:
        http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/novak/cs30748.html

4/28    This motd is boring. Somebody say something interesting.
        MOTD poll on what primarily is going to limit human population:
        1)  Birth control
        2)  War
        3)  Famine      .
        4)  Pestilence
        5)  fags taking over the world, so no procreative sex .
        6)  People posting on the motd and running 37337 GN00/11N
            SUX, rather than saving money, buying homes and starting
            families. On the other hand, having less people who can
            mistake M$ Windoze or 11N SUX for a REAL OS is probably
            a good thing.

4/26    Does the average soda user bother even reading the public motd?
        \_ you mean motd.public?  or the stuff in motd.official?
           \_ either one.  I bet most just skip it.
              \_ "soda user".. there are > 2k "soda users".. 90% of them never
                 log on... so you're right.  I'd say a decent chunk of the
                 rest read this.
                \_ soda [63] last | awk '{ print $1 }' | sort -u | wc -l
                     638
                   (since April 14th)  -tom
                   \_ unless I'm mistaken that includes POP (and IMAP?) users
                      I don't consider that "logging in" --dbushong
                        \_ you're mistaken.  That includes only tty-based
                           logins.  -tom
                      \_ But then, you don't have to log in to read the motd.
                         I read it via "finger motd@soda" far more often than
                         I log in to soda (and you can also read it at
                         http://www.csua.berkeley.edu/motd also without
                         logging in to soda).
           \_ Then they are missing out. The motd is the best thing about
              soda.

4/389   When nurses say "get me xyz, stat!" what does stat mean? Is it an
        abbreviation or acronym?
        \_ http://www.straightdope.com/mailbag/mstat.html
        \_ you can't use google, huh?
           \_ what ever happened to your Berkeley pride?  I guess google
              is just too good that we are willing to stoop down to use
              a stanford made search engine.
              \_ Berkeley pride?  Hello?  It's just a GPA and a piece of paper.
                 The alumni association won't help you afterwards unless you
                 consider endless appeals for cash a form of "help" and a good
                 way to express "pride".
              \_ That's why I use http://av.com. At least its not like selling
                 out the the farm.
           \_ google doesn't have intelligent speech processing like
              the motd. the motd is, however, quite slow and prone
              to insult its users. all in all it balances out.
              ok so i tried google and it said it was for "statum."
              google: 1  motd: 0
              \_ What does "statum" mean? Is it an abbreviation or acroynm?
                 \_ beats me. latin for ASAP?
                                        \_ is that some kind of funky acronym?

4/21     Oh my god! They nuked the motd!
         \_ you know, the motd always comes back...
         \_ death cannot stop true love, all it can
            do is delay it a while.
         \_ Those bastards!

4/20    Can some one explain how silly puddy works please?
        \_ Ok you female "Friends" watcher.. MOTD is for INTELLIGENT questions
           not to wonder if silly puddy can be made to look like the prepuce
                \_ wow, someone used the words "motd" and "intelligent"
                   in the same sentence
           \_ There are females on the motd? WOW! pixP!
        \_ putty, not puddy, you nincompoop.
        \_ I'm interested in making a male masterbation device with silly
           putty. I thought you guys might already know some web sites
           where I could get some information
           \_ masturbation, not masterbation, you nincompoop.
              \_ Shut the fuck up, twink.
                \_ twink is such a stupid word.
                  \_ No, it's a word for stupid, you twink.

4/8     Use motdedit, goddammit
        \_ a-hoy
        \_ why?
        \_ So my editor (vi) can double-lock the motd.public?  That's...ok.
        \_ Since it doesn't have a man page, please explain what it
           does for me.
           \_ use the source, Luke
                \_ find /usr/local/csua/src -name "motdedit*" -print
                   returns nada
                   \_ cat /csua/bin/motdedit

*/*     Remove your damn motd entries after you're done with them.
        \_ So is this entry done?
        \_ Question for the grammarians: Is it "damned motd entries" or
           "damn motd entries" as stated above?  -not english major
        \_ new stuff on top includes "stop fucking moving your old crap
           the top you pathetic little walking argument for abortion"

3/11    None of the "experts" are even picking Cal to get past Fresno St.
        Oh well, not like they'd beat Mich. St. anyway.
        \_ Cal sux.  Hopefully Cal > CSUN.
        \_ What are you talking about?
           \_ Oops, should've realized I'm in geekzone here. Talking about
              NCAA tourney.
                \_ uh, cal is favored by 1.5.  If you're talking about
                   "experts" like Dick Vitale, you should realize that
                   he spends all his time beating off while looking at
                   pictures of coaches like Jerry Tarkanian and Bobby
                   Knight.  (He's fun to listen to but he's a complete
                   moron). -tom
              \_ Oh. - weird alum who only plays/watches golf
              \_ Oh. - wierd alum who only furiously masturbates to slashdot
              \_ Sorry, too busy seeing the world to care or worry about silly
                 things like what the Cal basketball team is doing this year,
                 or any year.
                \_ but apparently not too busy to read and comment on MOTD
                   entries which you claim to have no interest in.  -tom
                \_ Looks like tom nailed ya' on that one, punk.
                        \_ Nailed me on what?  Learn English and re-read what
                           was said.  "Cal basketball" != read motd.  I know
                           why it has to be spelled out for tom.  Are you his
                           intellectual equal?
                           \_ nor did tom SAY that Cal BB = read motd. It is
                              YOU that need to learn english.  Jeez, just
                              ACCEPT that you were "nailed"  Fer Fuck's sake
                              you're ANONYMOUS even.  I can't imagine what a
                              twit you must be when you are worried that
                              people KNOW YOU were bested.
                              (above was restored.  the below, besides being
                              an anonymous coward, is also prob. the one who
                              deleted it.)
                                \_ Nevermind.  You're hopeless.  And no, I
                                   wouldn't bother deleting it.  If I was to
                                   write a cron job to delete all motd
                                   stupidity like yours, the easiest way would
                                   just be to cp /dev/null /etc/motd.public
                                   every minute.
                           \_ So reading the motd counts as "seeing the
                              world"?  Gerbil-boy, that's truly pathetic.
                              \_ Join the Army, they said.
                                 Thanks.
                                 \_ Nothing wrong with that.
                           \_ Q: What do you call a tom falling from a ten
                                 story building?
                              A: Intelligence seeking its own level.
                              \_ Wow! Its been a long time since I've seen
                                 a good joke on the MOTD. This one is great.
                                 Thanks.
                                 \_ What's brown and sticky?
                                    \_ uh.. ok.  I'll bite.  What's brown
                                       and sticky?

3/11 -  stupidity about OSes deleted. All os's have good points and bad
        points.  i'm sure you all know this.
        - Paolo the VP who wishes the motd would take a more techincal
        discussion trend.
        \_ They weren't all about OS's. Some of them were just jokes that
           people didn't get.
           \_ Well, we'll show him. Especially for that "purple monkey
              dishwasher" remark.
        \_ Though the OS posts were stupid, the motd isn't about technical
           discussion.  It is much more about social sorts of things,
           humor, etc.
        \_ paolo the twink.
           \_ Please. Do you kids want to be like the real U.N. or do you
              just want to squabble and waste time?
              \_ Uh, the real UN just squabbles and wastes time and US
                 taxpayer money. It should be banned. - tired of paying
                 for UN stupidity
                 \_ Insufficient Simpsons.  Mine more Simpsons.
                 \_ Twinks these days just don't understand sarcasm if
                    was staring at them it the face.
                    \_ Its hard to tell who is being sarcastic and who
                       is a genuine idiot on the motd. There are fools
                       on soda that think that the UN is k3wl.
                       \_ Tell me something. What kind of petshop is
                          filled with rambunctious yahoos and hot jazz
                          music at 2 o'clock in the morning?

2/24    Party. 2415 Dwight Way apt #20.  Saturday, 24th.  Whiskey/Refreshments
        available.  No this isn't just csua only. (read: there'll be girls
        there)
        \_ Who are you?
        \_ Whose party is it?  Is this an invitation for anyone reading it
           to show up?
           \_ bridgett, my roommate.  and it's an open party.
                        \_ SIGN YOUR NAME
              \_ for any point in the party, you can find a positive real
              number epsilon, such that the open ball of radius epslion
              around that point is all contained in the party.
        \_ is this a real party? if so, why haven't you signed your name?
           is this a practical joke on the person who lives at that address?
           \_ So if it is a practical joke, why would they put their
              address in the motd?
              \_ They would put someone else's address on the motd,
                 dipshit.
                 \_ So if it is a practical joke, then why would they
                    put their roommate's name in the motd?
                    \_ I don't really have an opinion on whether it is a
                        joke; however, don't you think that it would be
                        easy enough to just make up a name for a
                        "roommate"?
        \_ It's real. I checked. Please Bring alcohol. --davebrok

2/22    Where do people buy acid in berkeley?
        \_ cloyne court.  2600 ridge rode.
           \_ Yeah, but who?  (Not like I expect an actual name to show up
              on the motd)  Just ask at the front door?
                \_ Yes.  "Hi, I'm here to buy acid.  Which room?"
        \_ does anyone on soda sell acid?
           \_ yes.  just think about it, and read the aliases file.
        \_ Latimer Hall has lots of kinds of acid.
              \_ Also VLSB and LSA. Really strong acids too.
                 You could probably get some free base to go
                 along with your acid. (Pardon the puns).
           \_ Don't be stupid.
              \_ What the hell do you think those organic chemistry
                 grad students are *really* doing?
                 \_ Don't be stupid.
                 \_ making speed. it was on the news a couple of years ago.
                    responsible for 1/3 the meth supply of the state.
                    Go Bears.
        \_ casa zimbabwe, look for it at http://www.usca.org ask for fliz or
           the house mgr.  say you are looking for "a joyride".  make sure
           they know it's acid, not e or special k that you want.  get a
           pager number from the dealer he hooks you up with.
        \_ The USCA Coops Central Office.  Ask anyone behind the counter.
           If they're out that day, they can direct you to the right coop
           house.

2/6     Patron Saint of the Internet (how dumb can the pope be?):
        http://www.cnn.com/2001/TECH/internet/02/06/pope.internet.reut/index.html
        \_ not dumb, senile [moved by the motd mind reader]
           \_ Neither. Quite aware of the humour value.
              \_ Here in America we spell it "humor".
                \_ I see Brit spellings on motd all the time. Who is a
                   well known Brit in CSUA?
                   \_ Wouldn't anyone from Hong Kong use the british spelling?
                      \_ yes, or from Australia, or (I would assume) from almost
                         any other English-speaking nation, aside from the US.

2/5     If you have an idea for a CSUA-sponsored talk, no matter how lame
        it sounds, and you want to do it, don't wonder if you should or not.
        Just go into the office and demand support.  Get involved.  It can't
        be any lamer than the silent MOTD readers.
        \_I have to disagree here, there are some topics which don't yield
          themselves to discussion at a CSUA-sponsored talk.  I once
          brought up having a WAREZ club, so all the people in CSUA could
          trade software.  The officers flipped and talked about how after
          we graduated we would realize how much money pirates were stealing
          from us (as programmers in the real world) blah, blah, blah...
          Point is, my "idea" was blown out of the water, so think twice
          before bringing up an idea, it could be lame in other people's
          eyes even if it's way too cool in yours.
                \_ oh my god!  The rejection!  Yeah, you're right; if there's
                   any chance you'll be rejected you better NOT EVEN TRY
                   YOU FUCKING WANKY LOSER.  WHY DON'T YOU JUST CRAWL
                   INTO A HOLE AND DIE!
                \_ for one thing, it's not pronounced "juarez"  -tom
                   \_ I fell off the edge again.
          \_ First of all the idea needs to be legal.  duh?
          \_ warez?  grow up.  pr0n is where it's at.
             \_ Where can I get my CSUA-sponsored pr0n?

1/26    about 400 to 500 people log onto soda many days, yet a handful
        of people dominate discussion on the motd and wall. don't let a
        few socially inept losers among them intimidate you into thinking
        that's what csua is all about. if someone posts a rude or immature
        response on wall or motd, try to consider it anamolous. these
        \_ anomalous.  And is there any reasoning behind your hypothesis?
              \_ Are you trying to be Science Officer Spock or something?
        people are held in contempt by the vast (silent) majority of
        members.
        \_ Have you conducted a motd to _prove_ this theory?  :-)
        \_ Does anyone really take the motd that seriously? Most of the
           stuff on the motd is filled with silly comical puns for
           people to vent from a crappy day. It's not meant to serve
           as an official political forum. Just have fun and don't
           take things too seriously. Geez.
           \_ No.  People on motd and wall really are idiots, for the most
              part.
              \_ Even you?
              \_ You are anamolous!
              \_ What do you expect from socially disfunctional geeks who
                 spend most of their days in front of a computer?
                 \_ And how are they different form socially dysfunctional
                    geeks?
                    \_ They're less anal.
        \_ honest statement or troll?  You decide.
           \_ It's "IT"!! the invention that will change cities and
              make more money in its first year than any other IPO.
        \_ [Troll removed. -TheMotdBouncer]
        \_ Hey, everyone left is partipating in a serious discussion.

        Hey, good troll.  motd trolls unite!  I salute you!  -fellow troll

01/24   paolo wants to be mentioned on the motd. I'm hereby mentioning
        paolo on the motd. -alexf
        \_ Hi Paolo!
        \_ Paolo Paolo Paolo Paolo Paolo Paolo Paolo Paolo Paolo Paolo.

These Twink Points are as determined by the Twink Arbiter (me).  They are
completely non-negotiable.  To compute your Twink Score, subtract the
Amortized Twink Points from the Cumulative Twink Points.  For each week during
which you gain no Twink Points, one Twink Point will be amortized per number of
consecutive twinkless weeks.

Any soda user not listed here has never earned a Twink Point.  Twink Points
are earned primarily by making twinkish statements, be they on wall, in mail
to root, staff, csua, or twink-arbiter, on http://ucb.org.csua, or in person at CSUA
events or in the office.  One point is awarded per twinkish statement (note
that a single wall, mail, or post may have more than one twinkish statement).
\_ The fact that anyone even took the time to create this list deserves
   500 twink points in itself.
        \_ +1 for not tabbing motd entry and +1 for not dating.
        \_ soda ~% grep twink /etc/mail/aliases
           twink-arbiter: tom
           twink: twink-arbiter
                \_ notice the twink-arbiter is also a twink
                   \_ no, the twink-arbiter is the master twink.

Login           Cumulative Twink Points  Amortized Twink Points

aaron                     11                      11
abid                      1                       1
acheng                    1                       1
achoi                     177                     177
agee                      8                       8
alexb                     1                       1
alexf                     1                       1
alexlam                   1                       1
ali                       76                      76
alissa                    3                       3
allan                     2                       2
allenp                    1                       1
alvin                     1                       1
amitj                     2                       2
andreas                   1                       1
andychen                  1                       1
anitac                    18                      18
anjlee                    1                       1
annieh                    1                       1
anurag                    1                       1
appel                     13                      13
ari                       16                      16
aspolito                  9                       9
asteffes                  2                       2
aswan                     3                       3
aubie                     12                      12
ausman                    29                      29
ax                        1                       1
benchan                   1                       1
benco                     163                     163
bensonng                  1                       1
berk                      1                       1
bernt                     2                       2
bkong                     2                       2
blojo                     2                       2
bng                       5                       5
bonds                     2                       2
boss                      3                       3
brain                     1                       1
brendal                   1                       1
brg                       4                       4
brianm                    1                       1
calbear                   4                       4
calchung                  1                       1
caos                      3                       3
cathyli                   1                       1
ccytsao                   1                       1
cdaveb                    67                      67
chiapet                   2                       2
choba                     1                       1
chris                     87                      87
chug                      1                       1
clue                      2                       2
cmingyip                  1                       1
cmlee                     440                     440
coganman                  4                       4
corinney                  1                       1
daryl                     1                       1
davecw                    4                       4
daveh                     124                     124
davidf                    3                       3
debbie                    11                      11
denise                    1                       1
dennisc                   1                       1
dickylee                  100                     100
dkmkane                   1                       1
doan                      1                       1
donsw                     1                       1
dpetrou                   1                       1
dsweet                    2                       2
dukie                     1                       1
dwang                     2                       2
ehud                      4                       4
elicheng                  1                       1
elizp                     2                       2
emarkp                    2                       2
eric                      5                       5
erich                     2                       2
ether                     1                       1
etroung                   1                       1
etruong                   2                       2
etse                      1                       1
fchan                     1                       1
genehkan                  5                       5
geoffrey                  1                       1
ghhvi                     1                       1
gmartin                   5                       5
gosha                     2                       2
gupta                     1                       1
hahnak                    1                       1
henryhc                   1                       1
houman                    1                       1
housman                   1                       1
howl                      3                       3
hsingh                    1                       1
htleung                   1                       1
ikiru                     14                      14
indi                      1                       1
ivy                       55                      55
janet                     3                       3
jasonma                   1                       1
javadis                   1                       1
jayson                    1                       1
jbheiman                  1                       1
jef                       1                       1
jefe                      3                       3
jeph                      2                       2
jgwang                    3                       3
jhens                     2                       2
jimjiang                  2                       2
jnat                      7                       7
jng                       2                       2
joeking                   1                       1
johnm                     2                       2
johnsonk                  1                       1
jon                       36                      35
jor                       56                      56
josh                      13                      13
jowens                    1                       1
joy                       1                       1
sl                        81                      81
junokim                   2                       2
jwang                     1                       1
jwtong                    1                       1
kaiya                     1                       1
kane                      5                       5
karenyh                   1                       1
kchang                    114                     114
kenji                     5                       5
kiet                      1                       1
kigordon                  1                       1
kiran                     1                       1
klee                      1                       1
lafe                      4                       4
lars                      1                       1
larson                    1                       1
leslif                    1                       1
lila                      9                       9
lingo                     1                       1
lisha                     3                       3
llee                      1                       1
lleong                    1                       1
lolly                     2                       2
lorinda                   1                       1
magtse                    1                       1
marco                     21                      21
mary                      1                       1
math                      1                       1
maxmcc                    5                       5
mayhuang                  1                       1
mehlhaff                  1                       1
mel                       6                       6
mgeis                     1                       1
mhetrick                  1                       1
minhn                     1                       1
mlee                      69                      69
mooah                     1                       1
moonskim                  1                       1
mrehrer                   1                       1
muchandr                  43                      43
murder                    1                       1
nesim                     2                       2
nevman                    39                      39
nickkral                  15                      15
niki                      4                       4
nweaver                   102                     102
oj                        1                       1
paolo                     4                       3
paulwang                  11                      11
pchen                     1                       1
pcjr                      43                      43
peirong                   1                       1
peterl                    2                       2
peterm                    1                       1
petr                      1                       1
ping                      1                       1
pmcnab                    1                       1
politburo                 1                       1
prithvi                   1                       1
psb                       88                      87
ramberg                   9                       9
ramses                    3                       3
ranga                     1                       1
raytrace                  1                       1
reeser                    12                      12
reiffin                   22                      19
retnuh                    7                       7
revilo                    1                       1
richardc                  6                       6
rida                      2                       2
robertl                   1                       1
rollee                    1                       1
root                      55                      55
rpaw                      3                       3
ryan                      9                       9
saarp                     286                     286
sameer                    2                       2
scotsman                  4                       4
seano                     22                      22
seanus                    1                       1
setol                     2                       2
shac                      11                      11
shyguy                    1                       1
sky                       4                       4
smitty                    3                       3
smurf                     10                      10
sony                      3                       3
stefchoi                  7                       7
stevedo                   1                       1
swings                    1                       1
tarek                     1                       1
tawei                     196                     196
thorn                     4                       4
tkm                       1                       1
tmonroe                   9                       9
toddlee                   1                       1
tom                       1                       1
tomyeh                    1                       1
tony                      85                      85
tpc                       13                      13
tracs                     1                       1
turin                     4                       4
twaung                    2                       2
utsai                     1                       1
wai                       2                       2
wenh                      3                       3
williamc                  1                       1
wliu                      1                       1
xkd                       1                       1
yaroslav                  10                      10
ychang                    1                       1
yingz                     1                       1
yulius                    1                       1
zryan                     1                       1
        with my g/f, thanks.

        50+     ...

1/5     PLAY MOTD SURVIVOR!

        Can your motd entry survive careless over-writes?  Or will you be
        trolled into a lengthy discussion which is summarily excised at
        the end of the day?  Watch as geeks fume, pout, and belittle
        each other in anonymity!  Will your motd entry be deleted?  Who
        will be the MOTD Survivor??  (New players are welcome daily
        at /etc/motd.public.)

12/28   hey, how do you pronounce "motd"?  "mod"? "mode"? m-o-t-d?
        \_ You say tomato, I say tomato.
        \-"mot-dee". "em oh tee dee" is also acceptable. --psb
          \_ "motd dee" is correct. "em oh tee dee" is not correct. psb
             is wrong on this issue. -ali
             \_ "motd dee" is not a pronunciation you ninny. It's
                pronouncing the "dee" twice.
             \_ Nonsense!  I use "em oh tee dee" and I am always right.
             \- who would you pick as you arbiter elegantiae? psb or ali?
                the choice is clear. --psb
                \_ Pepsi?
                \_ i get more chicks. -ali
                        \_ psb gets hotter chicks.  - #1 fan
                    \_ get a life, people. -chicks
                       \_ chances are that you are an ugly chick. your
                          opinion is irrelevant. sit down. -ali.
             \_ "motd dee"?  don't you love those recursive pronunciations...
                \_ gno
        \_ I pronounce it the "Shoot from the hips rant board".
        \_ What about "mot-d" (one sylable where the t and d sound almost
           the same.  Almost like "modt")
        \_ "mote-dee".  YMMV.
           \- "modt" and "mote-dee" with a long o are wrong. the worst thing
              to mispronounce to pronounce "chuh mod" "shuh mod" ... even "see
              aitch mod" is better than "shuh mod". of course saying "vye" is
              funny. --psb
              \- actualyl worse than shmod is "jig-a" for "gig-a" --psb
              \_ I say "mote-dee", "seesh", "tee-seesh", "shmod", and "pee-
                 ess-bee", and I'm proud of it.
                 \_ You have bad taste!
                        \_ That's a matter of opinion.  I like you.  A lot.
              \_ while we're debating useless topics like this: how do most of
                 you pronounce "char"?  like "character" or "charcoal"? (and
                 yes, I know this is addressed on the comp.lang.c FAQ.)
                 \_ No.
              \_ Along the same lines:  "libe" and "vair" for /lib and
                 /var.  Drives me nuts.  -geordan
              \_ "et-see" or "ee-tee-see" or "etcetera" ? --jon
        \_ I wonder how computer voice programs would pronounce it.
                \_ However it was programmed to.
        \_ if you look at the overall "look and feel" of this thread, it
                looks kind of interesting.  Lots of short responses, and
                a whole bunch of "" and -
                \_ You find _that_ interesting?  BTW, I'm suing you over look
                   n feel.

12/28   If you want to add to the motd add to the motd. Don't delete other
        people's stuff unless you're deleting the old threads.
        \_ And take pitty on Eric's motd archive. The more you re-add and
           re-delete things the faster it grows.
           \_ He's got a disk space quota and access to gzip like the rest of
              us.  If the motd archive is so important, root can run one.
              \_ I occasionally rotate out and compress the motd.  I'll move
                 it to /csua/tmp or something or ask root either for a quota
                 exception or to take it over, if I need to.  For now its
                 not an issue.  -ERic
           \_ ok, I'm a motd newbie... where is this magical archive of which
              you speak?
              \_ Most motd content gets thrown into /dev/null. You might
                 want to try looking there.
                 \_ <JOKE>Well, that's rude.</JOKE>  The magical motd
                    archive is in ~mehlhaff/tmp/motd,v.
        \_ I'm always happy to see my stuff selectively purged because someone
           else disagrees with me and is too stupid to refute anything I say.
           \_ I dunno man -- maybe they're just deleting your stuff to make
              you OVERCONFIDENT, allowing them to more easily EXPLOIT your
              WEAKNESSES.
                \_ Yeah, I feel so exploited and weak when they do that.
                   Uh huh.  No, actually, it shows their intellectual failings.
                   Censorship is the same everywhere.  Suppress that with
                   which you disagree if you've nothing intelligent to say in
                   opposition.
                   \_ unless what you have to say is so vacuous and stupid
                      that the space it consumes is worth more than the
                      'intellectual price' of flushing you.  if it makes you
                      feel good about yourself to brag on the motd about how
                      intellecutally challenging and insightful your every
                      posted brain-fart is, then go for it.  Don't let
                      trifles like reality get in the way of your self-image.
                      \_ No, actually, it's censorship.  Nice attempt to drag
                         me into your trollish childish personal little
                         flamefest but I'm not biting.  Cookie, troll.  If
                         what I had to say was so worthless then it would be
                         ignored or ridiculed like the rest of the motd
                         nonsense does, not struck.  Funny how you can so
                         easily and readily judge what's been censored
                         without having the slightest clue what it might have
                         been.  Yeah, it must have been vacuous and stupid
                         because you said so.  I trust you.
                   \_ Yeah, it's shameless, intellectually dishonest and
                      corwardly.

 12/4   MOTD poll:
        On motd polls, you:

        do a great job, and meet the spec
        do ok, and meet most of the spec
        do a half ass job, don't meet spec  .
        what? you mean there were projects?
        spec be damned, code what you want: .

11/21  Boring motd expunged.
       \_ thank you.
          \_ pas d'problem mon ami. - #1 touriste americane.
             \_ Try using a French phrase book. Your grammar/spelling is
                off.
       \_ motd formatting god was here.

11/20   There are a lot of motd watchers.  Any of you figured out who are the
        troll(s) that have been turning the motd into a political slutfest?
        I miss the good old days of the motd where we fight over OS, penis
        size, asian women/white guys, rice-mobiles, etc.
        \_ Who are the trolls on the motd?!  That's like handing out
           speeding tickets at the Indianapolis 500!
        \_ How do you track who's mucking the motd?
        \_ when in doubt, blame reiffin for a troll.
                \_ I'll take blame for anything, true or not.  Sure, I'm the
                   troll.  I wrote everything.  Even the stuff that happened
                   when I was idle or not even logged in.  hax0r el8!  -reiffin
                   when I was idle or not even logged in.  hax0r el8!  -reiff\
                   \_ i can edit the motd without being logged in! - danh
                        \_ nearly all the political stuff is verifiably
                           reiffin but he's too much of a coward to sign
                           his name.  -tom
                           \_ I am sure some of them had to be mine. -- ilyas
                           \_ I've written some of it. Mostly for fun
                              though; I'm suprised at the number of
                              people who seem to take it seriously.
                              I guess sarcasm and jokes are lost on
                              motd'ers. ----ranga
                                 Wow, I never knew that before, thanks! -ausman
                              \_ Sarcasm is hard to detect through ascii?
                                 Wow, I never knew that before, thanks! -ausm\
                              \_ guilty here, too.  -erikred

11/17   What some of you are rooting for and siding with:
        http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/decision2000/lat_dems001117.htm
        From the LA Times, that bastion of right wing conservatism. ;) ;) ;) ;)
        \_ Um, what crack are you smoking? LA Times is hard left.
           \_ He's being sarcastic.
                \_ Yes.  I was being sarcastic.  I keep forgetting how low the
                   Cal's standards are these days.  There was once a time long
                   long ago in a place right here in Berkeley where you could
                   make an obviously sarcastic remark and everyone clearly
                   understood and appreciated it.  Next time I'll use idiotic
                   <sarcasm> text </sarcasm> markings for people who read html
                   better than English.
                \_ Yes.  I was being sarcastic.  I keep forgetting how
                   low the Cal's standards are these days.  There was
                   once a time long long ago in a place right here in
                   Berkeley where you could make an obviously
                   sarcastic remark and everyone clearly understood
                   and appreciated it.  Next time I'll use idiotic
                   <sarcasm> text </sarcasm> markings for people who
                   read html better than English.
                   \_ Uh, <sarcasm> isn't a valid HTML 4.0 tag. ;-)
                        \_ I think it's being discussed for the next version
                           of the spec, but you're right about current html
                           'standards'.  Use your CSUA Motd Browser.  It reads
        (reference implementation in /csua/bin/motdbrowser) _/
                                \_ /csua/bin/motdbrowser
                           the newer tags.
                           \_ Assume that all motd posts are sarcastic
                              unless told otherwise.

11/13   Motd evaporated

11/9    lewd, informative, idiotic MOTD back -- motd restoration god

10/18   sniff, the recent flame wars on the motd bring a tear to my eyes.
        it has been so long since soda was so energized.
        \_ I was on vacation but I'm back!  -troll
           \_ Idiot. -easily trolled
                \_ Just keeping you annoyed and amused.  -troll
           \_ Someone forgot to apply fire or acid to the tissue.
           \_ Someone should kill him and eat his corpse.

10/14   You know what, there is some MOTD in the Middle East somewhere,
        where they are saying the exact same things, but about the USA.
        \_ I doubt it. "some MOTD" = message board / chat

10/9    Someone please fan the flames, it's a little too cold on the
        motd today.
        \_ Hey loser, learn how to write English properly before wasting
           our time on the motd.  (Hint:  to != too, its != it's).  Typical
           FOB fuckhead.
           \_ Fixed for your flaming pleasure. I tried to introduce
              trivial yet noticiable errors in the hopes that it would
              elicit a response.

9/1     Who deleted my motd entry?  I wasn't done yet!!
        \_ If people delete their own entries maybe other people won't
           try to "clean up" the motd so often.
        \_ I did. -clueless-undergrad-sodan-active-member

12/20   5348816 Aug 28 17:53 /home/digital/mehlhaff/tmp/motd,v
        Why has our motd archiver forsaken us?
        \_ rcs has failed me. IT dumped a ,motd, file that was tricking
           rcs into thinking the motd file was in use, and the  auto
           archiver didn't like it. -ERic

*/*
        \_ Like this?
        \_ get with the present.

8/24    motd restored as usual.  if you dont like what the motd says, just
        don't read it.  try a .hushlogin file in your home directory.
        \_ yeah, I bet this is the same person who does us the favor of
           censoring the motd? I expect this to be deleted within
           three minutes.
        \_ What was the language the motd was in, anyway?
           \_ man tr
        \_ motd restored to a very out of date version as usual.
           Use mehlhaff's archive to get a more recent version next time.

8/22    Shouldn't we all just use view instead of vi to view/edit the motd?
        If I'm using view, other people can still open the motd and edit
        it, as can I. ---ranga
        \_ Use less or more to read the motd.
        \_ As the above says.  Why are you using an EDITOR to VIEW the motd?
           Does everything look like a nail to you or are you an emacs addict?

8/19    I hate people who put "The" in front of our school name, like:
        "The University of California, Berkeley"
        \_ Kind of like: "Take The 580 to The 5 to The 405 to The..."
        \_ Kind of like: "Take the 580 to the 5 to the 405 to the..."
           but not really...
           \_ it's not a capitalized The and it's not part of the name. Duh.
        \_ That's the name.  Duh.
           \_ it's not a capitalized the and it's not part of the name. Duh.
              \_ Whether or not it's a part of the name is irrelevant since
                 the word in question is what's known as an "article," and
                 is normally placed before such names.  What really gets to
                 \_ you proved my point. There are some idiots who
                    write "The U..." on things like applications, resumes,
                 me is how people say "the University of California at
                    sentence, and even then you use "the" not "The".
                 Berkeley" instead of "the University of California, Berkeley."
                    Nothing wrong with multiple names, just not "The U..."
                    \_ If The University uses it on official documents then
                       it _is_ official.  I think The University gets to
                 \_ you proved my point. there are some idiots who
                    write "the U..." on things like applications, resumes,
                    or .signatures?! When you do use "the" it is only in a
                    sentence, and even then you use "the" not "the".
        \_ LA refers to roads as 'the 405 freeway,' or the 405.  The
                    And both "," and "at" are valid, even UC uses both.
                    Nothing wrong with multiple names, just not "the U..."
                    \_ If the University uses it on official documents then
                       it _is_ official.  I think the University gets to
                       decide what is official and what is not.  Not random
                       wanna-be-english-major know-it-alls on the motd.
           The University of California at Berkeley.
        \_ Likewise for people who put "the" in front of Bay Area freeway
           names, or "BART." This isn't L.A.!
                \_ Because The University gets to have everything both ways.
        \_ LA refers to roads as 'the 405 freeway,' or the 405.  the
           \_ It's actually the University of California. The Berkeley is
           Bay refers to it as 'Highway 80,' or 80.  It's that simple.
           \_ Actually it's 'Interstate 80,' not 'Highway 80.'
        \_ Jeff graduated from University of California sounds FOBish.
           What are you talking about? Henry graduated from the University
           of California. Sounds normal.
        \_ It's actually ' at ' instead of ', '.
           the University of California at Berkeley.
           \_ It's actually both.  No one loses.  Everybody wins! :D
              \_ I've been told it was ',' and not 'at.'  How can it be both?
                \_ Because the University gets to have everything both ways.
                   \_ ok, you've got a pretty good point here
           \_ It's actually the University of California. the Berkeley is
              implied.

8/14    Is there anyone with root access in the CSUA office during the summer?
        If so, who are they and approximately what time/days are they there?
        Thanks.
                \_ call in the afternoon. sometimes one of us is around. -root
                   \_ Who do I email to set up an appointment?  staff@csua or
                      root@csua?  (unless you mean to call literally....)
                \_ yeah you can call 1 510 I DONT CARE bitch ass mutherfreak.

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8/9     Why the hell does the motd censor rip out every bit of humor from
        the motd? I suppose I shouldn't be surprised, cause that's why
        censors cense (hehe). I'm incensed!!

8/9     I know this has been asked before and i know y'all are reluctant
        to answer this kind of question with anything other than RTFM
        and usually an answer like "man [cmd]" IS helpful but i'm afraid i'm too
        much of an idiot to get it on this one SO...
        Would somebody PLEASE post an EXAMPLE of a cvs or rcs command to read
        mehlhaff's motd,v from some past day.
        \_ vi motd,v.
           \_ non-formatted non-useful comment deleted.
        \_ Where's the motd,v file?  Thx.
           \_ ~mehlhaff/tmp/motd,v
        \_ co -d"2000/08/09 11:23:45" ~mehlhaff/tmp/motd,v  -- yuen
         \_ someone kick this guy off the motd. he actually posted
            something useful.
            \_ You're hereby kicked off the motd. Stay away. Or else.
        \_ Read ~marco/bin/motdbrowse, I usually use motdbrowse -c

8/3     I just read the tjb thread on http://ucb.org.csua.  It would be fun to get
        this guy a CSUA membership and let him post on the motd and wall.
        We need some new clowns in the CSUA.  The motd and wall has been
        quite boring since we kicked out a couple of fools.
        \_ This, too, could be yours !!

        Boredcast Message from 'tjb_real': Tue Jan 2 13:07:08 2001

        Miss May 2000 gave me a blow job.  Get off my dick.
        \_ But I am Miss May.
        \_ We should make Miss May an honorary member.
           \_ Miss May can have as much as she wants of *my* honorary member
        \_ i talked to miss may a couple of months ago.  she has no idea
           who trevor is.
           \_ people rarely do.
              \_ that's why he carries the american express card.
           \_ If you were that drunk would you admit or remember what you did
              or said?  I think I slept with Trevor once too but I can't recall
              the entire evening.  Just some vague sense of dissatisfaction.
              \_ I could satisfy you. Are you an anime chick?

7/19    I would like to set my display to another machine that is
        listening for X11 on a port other than 6000.  How can I?
        \_ If you set your DISPLAY to server:42, your X clients will
           connect to server on port 6000 + 42.  This will work for
           any port above 6000.  Connecting to ports under 6000 isn't
           supported, and negative numbers don't work, but you can
           specify large numbers and they'll be treated as negative --
           for example, on a 32-bit system, server:4294967295 would
           connect to port 5999.
            \_ cool. How are you figuring that 429467295 = -1 ?
               (or 4294961295 = -1?)?
               \_ 2^32-1. Look up "two's complement" in any intro
                  architecture/digital design text (150 and 61c texts
                  included).
               \_ [ad hominem deleted. not everyone here is in CS, by major
                   _or_ profession]
                        \_ If they have no interest in CS, they have no
                           business being in the CSUA
                           \_ Bullshit.  Go read the CSUA constitution and
                              bylaws.
                              \_ the csua is for people who can't get into
                                 cs and are desperately looking for some
                                 skills to learn so they don't have to
                                 flip burgers otherwise.
                                  \_ do you want fries with that?
                     /_ The CSUA is for everyone.  CS students and non
                        students alike. - Paolo, CSUA President.
                        - and on a personal note.  Fuck you.
                   \_  umm, moron, i have established interest by the
                        intial question and the further asking for detail.
                        As to the CENsor, thanks but no thanks; i would
                          \_ Restoration of previous ad hominem:
                             "This person is too dumb to be in CS."
                        like to have been able to read the personal
                        attack and it isn't even in ERic's motd archive.
                        For info i was not in the major, i AM in the
                        profession (if y'all accept blue-collar sys
                        admining as part of "the profession") -TOP
                \_ I think whether they're "qualified" to be in the CSUA
                   is irrelevant; whether they're qualified to participate
                   in a discussion where they have no knowledge is the
                   issue.  -tom
                   \_ The individual in question is _seeking_ said knowledge.
                      Which leaves you, yet again, without a point. Shut the
                      fuck up tom.

6/22    There's talk among the faculty of making bh's CS195 a graduation
        requirement for LSCS and the CS options of EECS. What does the motd
        think?
        \_ The motd thinks mostly about sex, and would rather not include bh
                in those thoughts.
           \_ You mean you don't fantasize about BH being on top of you
              while you're doing the ditty with your significant other?
                \_ gee, you got the joke.  how neat.  -tom
                   \_ thank you.
                      \_ you're welcome
                  \_ you mean coach Luvitz... it's never failed to
                \_ I took it many years ago (last time it was offered
                I think, with Lawler).  It was a fun flake class, but a flake
                class nonetheless. -nweaver
                     to impress me how much bh looks like coach luvitz
                     who occasionally showed up on Growing Pains
                        \_ Is it the googly eyes?
                   \_ nah, it's...the gleaming head!
                \_ All illness removed.  Sorry.  I couldn't take it.

6/7     Does anyone know if its possible to take any uc berkeley class
        through extension - former student wanting more enlightenment
        \_ you can take any regular berkeley class provided it has room
           in it and the professor doesn't object.  go visit the extension
           office for the relevant form.
        \_ Alan, is that you?
                \_ No, I already know the answer and if I didn't, know how
                   to find it faster/better than asking on the motd. -alan-
        \_ Yes.  Don't know the details, but I think this is common.  Try
           extension's website or call them.
                \_ It's called "concurrent enrollment".  Most of the big
                   classes are restricted, though you can still ask for the
                   prof's OK.  Upper-division classes are usually fine. -tom
        \_ My father was showing up at all sorts of engineering and cs classes.
           Didn't sign up, didn't pay anything, and the profs appreciated having
           someone who _wanted_ to be in their class.  Just show and talk to
           the profs if you don't need the grade on paper.
                \_ did he actually learn anything without doing HW + exams?
        \_ Academia rewls, industry sucks! GO BACK TO SCHOOL if you are
           \_ If people on the motd are so critical of acedemia why the hell
              did they even bother going to Berkeley in the first place?
           \_ I rule, yermom sucks!  Who's your Master???? Who's your
              Master!?!?!?!? -- sky 'slavemaster' king
                serious on being enlightened.
           \_ I agree.  -- motd academia god