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| 2013/10/24-2014/2/5 [Computer/SW/Apps, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA] UID:54741 Activity:nil |
10/4 Where is the CSUA IRC channel?
\_ on freenode, it is rad, you should join us -ausman |
| 2013/4/9-5/18 [Computer/SW/Mail, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA] UID:54647 Activity:nil |
4/8 What's a good free e-mail provider? I don't want to use Gmail,
Yahoo, Outlook, or any of those sites with features I never use that
track my personal info and keep changing their interface. I want just
simple e-mail without privacy issues or all the baggage these large,
for-profit companies are adding. I might even be willing to pay.
Recommendations?
\_ http://well.com. Not free though.
http://www.well.com/mail.html
\_ soda has been very consistent for the past few decades,
why don't you use soda?
\_ I thought soda stopped hosting mail years ago. -- !OP
\_ http://mailinator.com -- completely insecure, but great for throwaway
email accounts. |
| 2012/9/5-11/7 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:54472 Activity:nil |
9/4 It looks like there are some issues with wallall at the moment. Any
plans for it getting fixed? I can run wall, but wallall just gives an
error.
\_ Asking questions on the motd will not get any attention from
any undergrad. You should email politburo or perhaps csua. -ausman
\_ Asking questions on the motd will not get attention from any
undergrad. You should email politburo or perhaps csua. -ausman
\_ The last time soda got reinstalled, the wallall modifications
didn't get brought forward into the new install. It seemed to be
a combination of a lack of awareness of its existence, and a lack
of interest. Seems to be part of the slow decline of the CSUA,
with respect to interaction between undergrads and alums. Oh well. |
| 2012/2/19-3/26 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA] UID:54310 Activity:nil |
2/19 What's proper etiquette for posting jobs nowadays? Is there
still some jobs list?
\_ http://indeed.com and http://linkedin.com are great. Particularly the latter.
\_ Sorry, I meant for posting jobs for CSUA members. (My
company's looking for interns.)
\_ Very few if any undergrads use soda anymore. You need to talk to
the politburo directly via email. -ausman |
| 2012/2/6-3/26 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:54301 Activity:nil |
2/6 Um, what happened to http://www.csua.berkeley.edu/~myname ? "The requested URL /~myname/ was not found on this server." \_ Try emailing root or politburo. I don't think that the undergrads use this machine anymore. -ausman \_ Ausman is mostly right. LDAP went down due to an expired cert and took down most of the rest of our stuff. It's probably a thing with mounting and stuff. Email root@csua.org and ask them about the status. If nothing's happening, check in. \_ tried to mail root@csua.org, from soda. Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently: root@csua.org Technical details of permanent failure: Message rejected by Google Groups. Please visit http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=188131 to review our Bulk Email Senders Guidelines. \_ Mail has been officially deprecated as a feature for years. This was widely announced via mail as well as motd for at *least* a year. No effort will be spent trying to resolve a spam rating issue caused by email abuse by some alumni, bad .forwards, and so on. Treat soda mail as forward-only, and assume the mailboxes on CSUA systems will go read-only at any moment, even if there will be ample warning. While www has a much rosier outlook for support, it's also a fact that it's not utilized almost at all by students and recent alumni. To get your complaint resolved you'll need to complain to root@csua.org (email it from somewhere that actively supports their email services), and check in to make sure someone's making progress on it. |
| 11/23 |
| 2011/11/16-12/28 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA, Computer/HW] UID:54230 Activity:nil |
11/16 We'll be taking all CSUA machines offline in the near future for a Soda
Hall server room reorganization (we're being moved to a neighboring
server cabinet). Downtime will hopefully be minimal. --jordan
\_ Thanks for all your work keeping the machines running! It's
been awesome having soda actually working again.
\_ Update: this is tentatively scheduled for Saturday afternoon.
\_ Update II: done!
\_ Glad to be of service. --jordan
\_ Ditto. -ausman |
| 2011/8/9-27 [Computer/SW/Editors/Emacs, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA] UID:54162 Activity:nil |
8/9 So I just found out that an old college friend of mine lost her
four month old daughter to SIDS. What is the correct response here?
\_ "Did she sleep with her belly?" and "Did you breastfeed?"
\_ try this joke:
How do you make a dead baby float?
˙ʎqÉq pÉÇp ÉŸo sdooÉ”s oÊʇ puÉ É¹Ç\
Çqʇooɹ ÉŸo ƃnɯ É
\_ I will try this one at the memorial service, thanks.
\_ Can't read the inverted text in emacs.
\_ i can. GNU Emacs 23.2.1
(x86_64-apple-darwin, NS apple-appkit-1038.29)
\_ I was using the emacs here on soda which is 22.2.1. -- PP
\_ "I'm so sorry for your loss." Then shut up. |
| 2011/8/9-27 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA] UID:54161 Activity:nil 75%like:54159 |
8/7 And the voice cries out in the wilderness: where has csua gone?
\_ srsly |
| 2011/4/28-7/30 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA] UID:54098 Activity:nil |
4/28 Euphrasia ikiru@soda Curvilinearjky has died, may she rest in peace.
If you are interested in attending the funeral, please send an e-mail
to ericwvb@gmail.com and I will provide you with funeral details once
I know them - eric
\_ I only knew her briefly. Is there an obit somewhere?
\_ This is so sad. -ausman
\_ may I ask what happened?
\_ Who is she?
\_ I didn't know her well, but we had many interesting conversations on
the patio of Bechtel. Like others, I am curious to know the
cause. How terrible. --dim
\_ What is her real name, so we can google for an obit?
\_ Euphrasia Lavette Alzena Guri Scientia Ventura Ikiru Alvera
Ganbatte Gelasia Curvilinearjky (van Bezooijen).
I am not making this up. -tom
I am not making this up.
ikiru made the CSUA a better place. -tom
ikiru made the CSUA a better place. Kookier, but better. -tom
\_ According to the ikillspies blog, she was born
Deborah Anne Ziegler and changed her name. Still can't
find an obit though.
\_ This just happened one week ago; I am still arranging things; she
was found deceased in her apt after not answering my calls for
many days I had the police go in and check up on her and she was
found. The investigation is still ongoing. -eric |
| 2011/3/3-4/20 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA] UID:54052 Activity:nil |
3/2 when were teh csua glory days?
\_ There were no glory days, You're thinking xcf, google Lapsley,
Morris Worm, Gimp, etc.
\_ there were glory days?
\_ If you have to ask, you don't know.
\_ "If you have to ask you don't know" is the sodaism for Drill
Baby Drill or any other illogical, jingoist, teabagger chant.
\_ Ah so there were none.
\_ If a tautology is tautological, a tautology is tautological. -!op
\_ worse, cryptic answers are indicative of lies, truths have
simple answers.
\_ For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear,
simple, and wrong. - H. L. Mencken
\_ For every complex problem there is an answer that is
clear, simple, and wrong. - H. L. Mencken
\_ and thus, all complex solutions to complex problesm are
correct.
\_ When I was an undergraduate, 'natch.
\_ When I was an undergraduate, 'natch. --phillip nunez.
\_ natch is short for naturally. why is there a leading apostrophe?
-- berkeley pedant
\_ Ask Stan Lee. |
| 2011/2/16-4/20 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:54042 Activity:nil |
2/16 Time to restart this tired old discussion again. Who here would non-
anonymously join a CSUA web forum, were we to auth it against CSUA LDAP
and CalNet? Just trying to gauge alumni interest - and answer questions
(to the best of my knowledge*), should you have any, about the current
undergrad CS/CSUA for those that may be less in-touch. --toulouse
* because I dropped out, but still live in Berkeley and keep in touch
\_ technically you're still an alum. alums are defined as anyone who
went to a school. (It gives the college a much wider net to cast
for donations).
\_ webforums aren't anon. :-(
\_ Online anonymous communities have a low TTC, or trend towards
one. IMO the ultimate result of "online" and "anonymous" is
4chan. I'm defining "online" to mean 'in the web browser' btw
--toulouse
\_ there's a reason society has anonymous "we tip" hotlines
\_ Yes. What does that have to do with a CSUA forum? -tom
\_ 4chanism can be eliminated by the k5 method. All posts
are default denied and only posts that are voted good go thru
yes, this does mean you have to put time into developing the
content. But this is the only way.
\_ Or...you know, forget about anonymity and build a community.
\_ LOL, it's MR. GOP Talking Points on the MOTD
\_ Or you could just not be lazy and build a community
based on content, not one based on NAMEDROPPING.
\_ The K5 system works, is proven, and will continue to
solve the problem of content, without confusing the prob
with anonymity, free speech, etc. As a software guy
I like the idea of a Proper Solution to a Bug, not
some Blanket Marketing Hype solution. "zomg buy a WAF"
\_ But I want EZ Solutions 2 Hard Problemz! --GOP sodan
\_ Drill, baby, drill!
\_ I"ll follow you on twitter, brotha.
\_ Curious, do you go to every Cal Bears sporting game? Or devoutly
run FreeBSD?
\_ I was barely aware of the superbowl. My FreeBSD computer just died
so I'm down to running just Ubuntu, Arch Linux, OS X, and Windows.
--toulouse
\_ Why are you staying around Berkeley? Are you going to go back
to school?
\_ There's no reason for a CSUA forum to be anonymous; anonymity is,
in fact, the opposite of what the CSUA should be striving for. It
should be about connections between people, both at the undergrad
level and with alumni. I would join such a forum, and participate
if the discussions are interesting. -tom
should be about connections between people, primarily at the
undergrad level and secondarily with alumni. I would join such a
forum, and participate if the discussions are interesting. -tom
\_ Oh, is IS&T hiring?
\_ I don't know, I don't work for them. -tom
\_ tolouse, you and tom can just exchange emails, no need for an
amazon aws to host a webforum if it's just you two.
\_ I would participate, at least somewhat. -ausman |
| 2011/2/3-19 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA] UID:54025 Activity:nil |
1/28 Any recommendations for a "test case management" solution? -crebbs
\_ Please mail me when you find one, so i can tell QA to use it
instead of a wiki. -tcmoore
l/28 So I can think of three marraiges that have happened due to the
CSUA/Soda, but there have to be more outside my time. Who else
has married due to meeting at the CSUA? -ausman
chris:ari
mehlhaff:jsl
norby:tabloyd
\_ sony:meyers
appel:kimberly
eric:ikiru -tom
\_ The current VP :: the machines.
\_ angst:CSUA
\_ please stop starting your sentences with "so" |
| 2011/2/1-19 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:54023 Activity:nil |
2/1 I bet you'd get a groundswell of new members if csua ran a private
WoW server
\_ I rather like the peace and quiet nowadays.
\_ Isn't the office rather popular these days?
\_ Best 24/7 LAN gaming party place ever.
\_ The height of computer science!
\_ think of all the new users you can claim to have when you set up
a private wow server, then you can send in that list to the asuc
for even more funding monies.
\_ They run newer games, grandpa.
\_ Blasphemy.
\_ WOW is the STANDARD. STANDARD premier online game. |
| 2011/1/29-2/1 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA] UID:54019 Activity:nil |
1/28 what happened to wall?
\_ hell, what happened to nwrite
\_ Soda was rebuilt. Nobody knew what it was or how to set it back up,
because nobody still in the CSUA and responsible for setting stuff
back up knew it existed. --toulouse
\ Tell root what you need set up and how and we'll get around to it
sometime. --toulouse |
| 2011/1/28-2/3 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA] UID:54018 Activity:nil |
1/28 Any recommendations for a "test case management" solution? -crebbs
l/28 So I can think of three marraiges that have happened due to the
CSUA/Soda, but there have to be more outside my time. Who else
has married due to meeting at the CSUA? -ausman
chris:ari
mehlhaff:jsl
norby:tabloyd
\_ sony:meyers
appel:kimberly
eric:ikiru -tom
\_ The current VP :: the machines.
\_ angst:CSUA |
| 2011/1/15-2/19 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA] UID:54011 Activity:nil |
1/15 Are politburo minutes archived? Where are they located?
\_ /csua/pub/minutes |
| 2011/1/13-2/19 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA] UID:54010 Activity:nil |
1/13 Hey toulouse, awesome job getting csua back. r u on facebook? -kchang
\_ r u n idiot? |
| 2010/12/18-2011/2/19 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:53982 Activity:nil |
12/18 What happened to PINE? which mail client can we use on soda now?
I haven't been following the trend on csua. Thanks
\_ Apparently you haven't been following much of anything. Pine ceased
development four years ago, replaced by alpine. Mutt also works. The
mail spool is stored in Maildir format, not mbox format, fyi. With
regards to reading `whoami`@soda.berkeley.edu mail, you can use
IMAPS on <DEAD>mail.csua.berkeley.edu<DEAD> to access it, but mail hosting is
due to be shut down any month now, and switched over to forward-
only. tl;dr: the only long-term solution is to use a .forward file
and forward your mail to !csua.
P.S. If you have a CSUA problem then contact the CSUA. root@csua is
there for a reason. Nobody reads motd anymore, except on a lark.
\_ Thank you so much! Apparently I did have a .forward, one of the
reason I haven't paid much attention to the email clients on
soda. just recently I have not been getting any forwarded email
from csua. so I decided to log in and check mail. Thank you!
\_ Well, it is true that forwarding seems to be wonky at times,
for some reason. We're not sure why. |
| 2010/11/12-2011/2/19 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA] UID:53994 Activity:nil |
11/12 Welcome to the new politburo!
-----------------------------
President: Michael Steger (steggy), A.K.A. Mikey
External VP: Edison Park (edison)
Internal VP: Ying-Han Wei (laughinghan)
External Events: Ian Davis (iandavis)
Secretary: Heidi Galbraith (heidiho)
Internal Events: Wayne Song (wsong)
\_ This is nice, but can we get EXPN root? Who's on rootstaff
these days other than pburo? |
| 2010/5/17-26 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA] UID:53830 Activity:nil |
5/16 for over a week my id_dsa.pub is no longer accepted on soda, did
something change on soda?
\_ wait I noticed that all my files are "nobody", what's up?
\_ The folowing people are screwed, please donate more
money to CSUA
drwxr-xr-x 5 nobody csua 33 2009-06-28 19:33 bowman/
drwxr-xr-x 2 nobody nogroup 2 2006-12-13 02:59 clamav/
drwxr-xr-x 5 nobody csua 39 2005-08-03 23:01 domo/
drwxr-xr-x 3 nobody csua 10 2005-08-03 23:01 dyamada/
drwx--x--x 14 nobody csua 63 2010-05-17 13:52 kchang/
drwxr-xr-x 2 nobody csua 12 2005-08-03 23:00 kenyang/
drwxr-xr-x 2 nobody csua 10 2005-08-03 23:00 letuan/
drwxr-xr-x 34 nobody csua 103 2010-05-05 16:10 mehlhaff/
drwxr-xr-x 3 nobody csua 10 2006-08-18 00:48 sage/
drwx--x--x 11 nobody csua 79 2010-05-17 11:02 yuen/
\_ What are you talking about? Also, clam antiviru what
\_ Email root@csua if you care to actually get a response... |
| 2010/5/6-26 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA] UID:53820 Activity:nil |
5/6 A bit tardy, but please welcome our new politburo! Nathan Fair is very
diplomatic, and sharp to boot. He'll be an excellent interface for the
CSUA to the outside world. Mikey is reprising his role as VP. Samantha
Dove is our new Treasurer, and we hope that her penny-pinching will
serve us well. Angie is moving from Treasurer to Secretary, where she
plans to walk all over the hosers who mess up the office, rather than
the other way around ;). Finally, there is Jessica Pan for Events, who
has been doing her part running events behind-the-scenes already, and
will be responsible for keeping up the good work! |
| 2010/4/24-5/10 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA] UID:53799 Activity:kinda low |
4/24 Why is soda being retired in ~70 days? What's going to happen
to the physical box?
\_ What? Where did you get that information? Also, soda hasn't
physically existed for like a year or two now.
\_ Hmm, then what does "There are 71 days remaining" mean?
\_ No clue. Some random person having fun. We leave the text blob up
because what reason would we have to interfere and take it down?
\_ this is who we are
\_ "This is who we are."
\_ No clue. Some random person having fun. We leave the text
blob up because what reason would we have to interfere and
take it down?
\_ you know, AWS is so cheap these days, we should just host it
on AWS. Advantage: alumni can handle the sysadm job... it's
hosted outside of Berkeley.
\_ You know, I think the csua should stay inside berkeley. and
not be "amazon campus outreach".
\_ Seattle is nice I hear, how's Amazon paying you these days?
\_ Sweet you should just start up a host and not tell the undergrads.
\_ im not sure you know what you are talking about. Amazon bucket
storage is very cheap. Hosting VMs at Amazon, not cheap.
\_ An alumnus can technically handle the sysadm job now, because our
machines are all virtualized anyway.
\_ Whoa. I had no idea. Who owns/runs the physical hosts?
\_ The VP. Who did you expect?
\_ Sorry, the syntax, "our machines are all virtualized" made
me think that CSUA no longer owned physical machines, just
VMs hosted elsewhere. (Hey, UCB should build a cloud?)
\_ Wow are you in marketing? What other buzzwords do you
recite?
\_ Nothing is stopping you from doing it now, just set up your
AWS and leave. Seriously. Quit bitching and moaning- we are
lucky this exists. Just leave.
\_ WORD. What part of "This is BEAR TERRITORY" does Amazon
Lackey not get?
\_ Seconded. -grateful alum. |
| 2010/4/13-5/10 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA] UID:53784 Activity:nil |
4/13 Oh noes! soda rebooted and /csua/ is empty! |
| 2010/2/18-3/9 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:53712 Activity:low |
2/18 What happened to wall?
\_ Died a natural death?
\_ phase 1: soda got hacked, politburo disabled EVERYONE's account,
most people didn't bother going through the procedure to get turned
back on.
phase 2: vp didnt figure out how to keep soda successfully mounting
NFS storage until recently, so a lot of people had trouble logging
over the last few months. I'm shocked i can log in now !
kind of sucks, but i guess all things end.
\_ recently? it's still dying.
\_ as i write this, it is currently dead.
\_ what do you suppose the end game for soda is? just turn
it into a forum on something like yahoogroups? motd become a
google wave doc?
\_ The end game is it will be thrown into E&S, with all the disks,
and put into a box and shelved in a giant warehouse in emeryville
as the camera pans out and harrison ford goes "Fools."
\_ Lol that explains the countdown timer.
\_ Wrong. Soda is already gone. This is a VM. Didn't you know? |
| 2009/12/24-26 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA] UID:53602 Activity:low |
12/24 First!
\_ awesome CSUA is back up! Who revived it? |
| 2009/9/8-15 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA] UID:53345 Activity:low |
9/8 Apparently Prof. Sequin has decided that the CSUA will move to
311 Soda. Dwight (president) talked to him a few hours ago
and he was not amenable to us keeping our office and lounge.
\_ i do not know how things work anymore. Sequin controls the
building ? the old XCF office isnt so bad.
\_ What does this mean to the operation of http://csua.berkeley.edu?
\_ Nothing.
\_ Who is moving into the current CSUA space?
\_ It'll become an administrative office for two people. The new room
will become a fire hazard.
\_ Waah waah. Dude they need space. Why is that so hard to
accept?
\_ Because according to another professor, due to groups
moving to CITRIS (Dai Hall), and fairly major department
staff layoffs, there is /not/ a space crunch.
\_ Doesn't CSUA have a faculty sponsor. Harvey to the rescue! |
| 2009/9/7-15 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:53340 Activity:moderate |
9/6 A professor is trying to take 337 Soda from us. He sent us an
email at 6 on Friday before the 3-day weekend. Apparently it's
almost final and we _JUST_ got notified. >:(
\_ I can donate $100. Will that help?
\_ It will help the CSUA, but it will not help the room situation.
\_ What if I donate $100 to the professor?
\_ Gee, how ethical. That's sure to convince him of our integrity!
\_ Integrity can be bought. -Republican Party
\_ Money sometimes oils the wheels of justice.
\_ Who is it? Let's email him/her/it.
\_ Professor Sequin
\_ That would be a bad idea. He doesn't like the CSUA and he has the
power to do it, so I don't think alumni could help by talking nicely.
\_ We could email the alumni association and tell them that the
main reason we give to the school is because of the CSUA. Are
you going to get another office? -ausman
\_ Yes. It will be 80% the size of our old office, and < 50%
of our current office. Calculations say that it will be a fire
hazard given our level of membership. It's keypadded so it may
mean we can't have an open door. It has a toilet that the
janitorial staff does not clean, and no door to Soda proper.
It's the former help desk 'not a help desk' room. 337 will
become an administrative office for two people.
\_ That's the old XCF office. What happened to 343?
\_ It'll still be ours, but the question of whether it
can be reverted to the CSUA office is in the air. In
the case we can't, we'll probably still have to supervise
it, from across the building. Fucking astounding.
\_ The old XCF office is probably a lot more
reasonable for what the CSUA does these days.
\_ I disagree. What do you think the CSUA does
these days?
\_ Play video games? |
| 2009/8/12-20 [Politics/Domestic/Abortion, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA] UID:53267 Activity:nil |
8/10 From Aug 9th minutes:
"Evelyn is resigning as President. Jesse will take over all duties of
the president, temporarily."
So, I've been around for a while (since F03), and seen 3 csua pres-
idents resign now. For those of you who have been here (much) longer
than me, is this pretty common every two years or so? -mrauser
\_ reason(s) for resigning?
\_ <sexist>women</sexist>
\_ http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=1607#comic
\_ You'll never get it!
\_ By hook or by crook, we will.
\_ I will not be NUMBERED!
\_ I'm not really certain. I heard she just said "personal
reasons." -mrauser
\_ pregnant? |
| 2009/7/28-8/6 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:53214 Activity:kinda low |
7/27 Minutes from politburo: We should migrate email to Google Apps instead
of hosting it ourselves, since managing the mail server takes up too
much of VP's time website needs: *RSS *calendar *static pages
\_ Why is CSUA mail such a problem? Please discuss?
\_ Bahahahahaha. CSUA should just outsource UNIX to India.
While you're at it, move motd to Yahoo Groups, irc+ntalk to Google
Talk, and picture hosting to Flickr. I'll miss alt.binaries.erotic.*
but that's the price we have to pay, I guess.
\_ politburo, i will run email for you if you want. i have
a decade experience doing it.
\_ who are you?
\_ #2.New()
\_ whois number.1
\_ Relevant discussion happening on csua@csua mail list
\_ summary: vaheder rejects outsourcing and wants to use the the
antiquated light saber. the force in vaheder is strong.
there is hope in this one.
\_ summary: tom[holub] says sysadm for <10 alumni isn't going to
be very interesting. however, Amazon donated EC2 and cloud
computing could be the future, and it'll probably be more
fun using a canon than a light sabre.
\_ lol@cloud computing
\_ If we had a filer, I am of the opinion that much of the pain of
keeping our services up and running services would be mitigated. Most
of our uptime problems were because of crashy keg. Another server to
run VMWare e-sex or whatever it's called now would be nice, but no
doubt out of our reach
\_ Who are you? I can probably wrangle a filer to donate. -ausman
\_ I am politburo. I am root. I am nobody. |
| 2009/7/4-9 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA, Computer/SW/Security] UID:53109 Activity:nil |
7/4 I'm accessing soda by typing ssh -X jhcooper@csua.berkeley.edu
at a Linux prompt. At the soda prompt, I can type "xmessage hello &",
and I get a nice little greeting from myself popping up on my display.
But if I type xterm &, the process runs ok, but nothing appears on
my screen. What am I doing wrong?
\_ Works just fine for me... try turning on SSH debug with -v ? |
| 2009/6/30-7/15 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA] UID:53091 Activity:nil |
6/29 /csua/bin/wallall seems to work now.
Please report any oddities to root@csua --steven |
| 2009/6/10-7/3 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA] UID:53080 Activity:nil |
6/10 Hi all, It's that time again! Unfortunately, earlier this week we discovered a rootkit on soda. Please consider any passwords and private keys stored on CSUA machines to be compromised. We'll get back to you when we have more information and information on the rebuild... Best, Steven Schlansker CSUA Root Staff People who install rootkits are so annoying... |
| 2009/5/4-6/5 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA] UID:52942 Activity:nil 55%like:49792 |
Linux soda 2.6.26-2-686 #1 SMP Thu Mar 26 01:08:11 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux Welcome to Soda Mark VII, a dual Xeon 2.8GHz, please enjoy your stay. |
| 2009/2/6-12 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA] UID:52528 Activity:nil |
2/6 The 2/5 meeting minutes say:
"T-shirts going to the printers tomorrow, get them by Thursday
if possible"
How does a crufty alum buy one of these T-shirts?
\_ I want an "I partied with Nick Weaver" t-shirt.
\_ Shouldn't that be "I partied with nweaver"?
\_ Those are for the Hackathon, although we do have CSUA
shirts available as well. They are $13 apiece. You can
drop by the office and buy one, or if you're willing to pay
shipping and handling and such email politburo@ and we'll
see if we can send one off to you --steven
\_ Is it the same one from a few years ago with the ascii
cow on the back? |
| 2008/12/30 [Science/Electric, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA] UID:52305 Activity:nil |
12/30 Where are the current descriptions of the "CSUA" and the "Announce"
mailing lists? Some old mail from a year ago said they were at:
http://CSUA.Berkeley.EDU/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/csua
http://CSUA.Berkeley.EDU/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/announce
But these links don't work anymore. Thanks. |
| 2008/12/19-28 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA] UID:52281 Activity:kinda low |
12/19 Where are you soda? |
| 2008/12/10-16 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:52219 Activity:high |
12/9 A new politburo has been elected. --t
\_ I'm glad at least you guys could fill all seven offices this time.
Its really a shame that the amendment failed, the politburo is
too heavyweight at 7 officers (some of whom are so superflous,
there is little need for them to give a crap). I wish you guys
had proposed the amendment in a way that might actually convince
some people rather than "hey, so we want to do this." -mrauser
\_ hey, is it kosher to top-post like this? anyways, I dunno, if we
have enough officers to fill the 7 spots (as we did), I'd rather
have the larger offices. Part of my consideration in voting
against (I was initially for) was that I wanted to pull some more
people in to the CSUA, and so we can rely on others if some of us
happen to be busy (especially since 3/7th of Politburo will be in
CS150). --t
\_ You have been here for a week, don't start becoming a format
nazi. I find it astounding that you voted down the amendment
seeing as I could not find a single place where you voiced
any dissenting opinion to it. Why didn't you voice your
concern instead of silently hoping for failure. The concern
you gave was the original reason for the amendment but it
completely failed. Do you not remember an entire semester
where steven held two offices because you couldnt find a
single person who could act as events director? The rationale
for the amendment is clear from your description. Right now
the "larger" offices are the offices taking up the majority
of the responsibility and work burden for the csua. The
amendment would have left you with positions with more
balance between them instead of the large disparity now. -mr
\_ I've been here for two weeks, at least. Also, I have no
obligation to email you when I change my opinion, but FYI
I did talk with other members of politburo about this,
outside of politburo. That I sent out the email surveying
possible candidates for each of the position should indicate
to you (after the fact) that it wasn't a sudden decision,
and (though it's also not something I'd email you about) I
CSUA members for intent to run should indicate to you
(after the fact) that it wasn't a sudden decision, and
(though it's also not something I'd email you about) I
okay'ed it with a few politburo members. And of course I
took into account Steven's dual-position. Do you think I'm
an idiot? To me, balance was not really the issue; if
anything the low-stress positions such as librarian and
secretary are IMO a good gateway for members to test how
much they want to involve themselves in managing CSUA
affairs. It's why I ran for secretary in the first place.
I could go on, but my lock time just expired. --t
\_ There are also plans for a forum to replace motd. Yah!
\_ No there aren't. There are plans to pilot a forum to see if any of
you crochety old folks can be arsed into using this newfangled web
technology to connect with undergrads. --t (president-elect)
\_ No there aren't. There are plans to pilot a forum to see if any
of you crochety old folks can be arsed into using this
newfangled web technology to connect with undergrads. --t
(president-elect)
\_ if there are gals as hot as karen@csua circa 2004-5 I'll
definitely donate and connect with you undergrads.
\_ Pics of karen please?
\_ karen likes fruits, but does she like gay people?
\_ Commence stalking now:
http://karenism.com/blog
\_ I'm in LOOOOOVE. Time to donate to the CSUA.
\_ She's taken.
\_ oh man, karen is really creative. impressive
\_ I thought Karen has big breasts. Guess not.
\_ http://xcf/~paolo/brc2004/3444600-R1-034-15A.jpg
\_ Blown out highlights in the back, typical when
you're trying to save details in front. Actually
I'm surprised to see how much shadow (subject)
was saved despite this high contrast scene.
Was a fill-in flash used in this situation?
What camera+flash if any was used here?
\_ She's VERY taken.
\_ I'm still going to jerk off to her pics.
\_ http://xcf/~paolo/brc2004/3444600-R1-034-15A.jpg
http://csua.org/u/91p
\_ I thought someone on motd once said Karen had big
breasts. I guess not.
\_ they're bigger than mine. certainly bigger
than typical Japanese and Taiwanese ones.
\_ I guess you could call that hot...
\_ oh boy, another web forum to ignore.
\_ just like motd
\_ Ummm, do you really want these guys connecting with the
undergrads? |
| 2008/12/9-12 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA] UID:52212 Activity:nil |
12/9 Here's an idea for a CSUA project (I think it's been done before, but
never in a way that took off)... a web-page that lets you create
polls, authenticated against soda. e.g. "How much do you make?"
"What OS do you use?". Poll results would be "pseudo"-anonymous.
Good idea: ...
Bad idea:
Meh:
RIDE BIKE: .
\_ Will mention to politburo, sounds reasonable. Also sounds like a
one-man job. I may play w/ python-ldap & Pylons over winter break --t |
| 2008/12/7-10 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA] UID:52185 Activity:kinda low |
12/6 Is email reception working? The last mail I received was
Friday (12/5/08) morning (8:49am). I isolated it to a receiving
problem (sending is fine)--does anyone else have the same problem?
Can root help me look into this? Thanks.
\_ email politburo and ask. Oh...
\_ email is off until it can be moved to an i7 processor
\_ thanks for the info/update!
\_ uh, i think that was supposed to be a joke.
\_ No, don't. Email root@csua.berkeley.edu. Root not politburo.
\_ Yeah, and as soon as email is working, they will get the
email telling them that email is down... think about it.
\_ What are you thinking? This is a no-thinking zone.
\_ How embarrassing. |
| 2008/12/4-10 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA, Industry/Jobs] UID:52166 Activity:nil |
12/4 Maybe you should have the CSUA initiate an ongoing CS project it could
be known for, and thereby have more of a raison d'etre for the hardware
choices. For example a game development thing open to any and only
members. It could perhaps offer experience/tutelage in more practical
aspects of CS than the academic stuff, but not just pointless IT
exercises like you guys seem to be focused on now.
\_ Not a bad idea, but last time we started projects, they died from
neglect. --toulouse
\_ So do something small. Get an ipod touch and have an iphone
development contest. Give people 1 month to come up with
something cool and give away the touch to the top prize.
The CSUA should be all about getting people interested in
CS. There was a time when "having a unix computer that was
on the internet" was a good way to give people an incentive
to learn about cool computer stuff. That day is long gone.
\_ The lottery scheduler was the last project I remember. What
other projects were there? -crufty-alum
\_ Didn't help the XCF. (RIP)
\_ Well, maybe their project and club is too boring. CSUA starts
from being a social club; a project like this would have to
be lightweight enough to keep people interested as an aside from
their school work. I don't think some OS research project is
appropriate, for example.
\_ XCF had other problems, but honestly, CSUA is getting less
and less relevant these days.
\_ Maybe you can start by organizing small groups interested in
contributing some feature to an open source project. People working
alone or towards a non-well-defined goal tend to be unmotivated. |
| 2008/12/2-7 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA] UID:52149 Activity:nil |
12/2 You might have noticed the shitty uptime. Keg went down, and upon
coming back up, immediately died again. It's up -- for now --, but
who knows how long that will last! Politburo will be discussing this
at tomorrow's meeting. Steven will also be sending an email shortly
on the state of our equipment. More later. --toulouse |
| 2008/11/19-23 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:52043 Activity:nil |
11/19 An hour ago I saw this:
11:02:56 up 21 days, 7:30, 28 users, load average: 595.04, 732.07,
766.67
What happened?
And now "top" says:
Mem: 2076388k total, 1935992k used, 140396k free, 184428k buffers
Swap: 3903784k total, 104k used, 3903680k free, 531404k cached
Only 104K swap space used out of 3.9G? That's strange.
\_ lulz
\_ the reason Soda keeps screwing up is the LDAP server that ssh
needs to communicate with to let you log in, 'keg', is always
screwing up. politely ask politburo to fix this situation.
And your next point... I am not sure 'free' or 'top' means what
you think it means in linux. the OS is possibly smarter than you
might think about freeing up memory for use.
\_ your emacs fu is low
\_ I miss the days when SODA went down, there is actually a public
motd that explains what happened.
\_ Maybe Soda needs a cron job that reboots every week. |
| 2008/11/19-23 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA] UID:52042 Activity:nil |
11/19 politburo: why are you running LDAP at all? or alternatively,
run it on soda. |
| 2008/11/7-13 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA, Computer/SW/Security] UID:51875 Activity:nil |
11/7 Does this guy have a soda account?
http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_10926276?source=rss (online stalker)
\_ boring
\_ I wonder if Sold Intel Secrets To AMD guy has a soda account. |
| 2008/10/24-28 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA] UID:51672 Activity:nil |
10/24 Sysadmin jobs at Zetta. See /csua/pub/jobs/Zetta -ccook |
| 2008/10/2-6 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA] UID:51351 Activity:nil |
10/2 CS/Hedge Fund job at Bain Capital: see /csua/pub/jobs/BainCapital.txt |
| 2008/9/6-12 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA] UID:51083 Activity:nil |
9/6 csua Russians, can you find me a torrent of this, but with
English subs? thanks.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VKkc1CVSAc
\_ google the keywords in the tags on the video, add "torrent" - non-russian sodan |
| 2008/7/3-2009/4/5 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA] UID:50463 Activity:nil |
7/3 Cleaned out /csua/pub/jobs moving all the ancient postings elsewhere.
Please post anew (or if your 2007 posting is still valid feel free
to repost it from /csua/pub/jobs/old/2007) if you have a job to offer
me. All your job are belong to us. -mrauser |
| 2008/5/14-16 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA] UID:49944 Activity:low |
5/14 Of course, Polar Bears' population is exploding. Definitely time to
declare them endangered. Wha?
\_ Is of course please to be AT LEAST WRITE A LEADING STATEMENT THAT
MAKES SOME SENSE IN ENGLISH LANGUAGE WHA? I kill you.
\_ Is a Polar Bear a big white senior citizen gay male?
\_ polar bear population is increasing where?
\_ Soda hall. They are invisible among the pasty faced nerds.
\_ The polar bear population has doubled over the last 50 years
or so. I have no idea how that compares to historical
population figures from, say, 200 years ago but in the
near-term the population has risen dramatically.
\_ They obviously have too much to eat. They are in danger of obesity. |
| 2008/4/21-5/2 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA] UID:49795 Activity:nil |
4/21 Hey everyone! The CSUA is having its semi-regular Alumni BBQ!
It will be May 8, 2008 in the Wozniak Lounge from 6pm. All
alums and current members are welcome! Come for some free food
and friends (hopefully disjoint sets). Email politburo with any
and all questions/comments/concerns. --steven
\_ Any hot women there?
\_ I'll bring my girlfriend(s)
\_ If you have to ask, you don't know.
\_ any that are, will be "with someone". This isn't an event to go
to for hot women. |
| 2008/3/9-11 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA] UID:49397 Activity:nil |
3/9 Can we get more spam to http://csua.berkeley.edu? Only 300 in 2 days... |
| 2008/2/14-18 [Academia/Berkeley, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA] UID:49140 Activity:nil 90%like:49138 |
2/14 Hans Reiser's days at UC Berkeley:
http://preview.tinyurl.com/ys92sn (dailycal.org)
\_ Who is this 'Pete' fellow
\_ Almost certainly Shipley. Also a nut, booted off soda
several times. -tom |
| 2008/1/29-2/2 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:49030 Activity:nil |
1/29 Can politburo keep it together and make sure Soda is up?
I can't troll dans 24/7.
\_ how about getting a life? dans (claims to) get laid all
the time, how about you? |
| 2008/1/29-30 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA] UID:49029 Activity:nil |
1/29 Soda sucks! |
| 2008/1/23 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA] UID:48998 Activity:nil |
1/23 In case someone who's !politburo (or doesn't read their mail) but
has root@scotch, named is down
\_ fixed |
| 2008/1/16-17 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA] UID:48955 Activity:nil |
1/16 Soda still down. (9:54am)
\_ Why is it so unreliable? Hardware? A Linux system should not be so
fragile. |
| 2008/1/3-7 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA] UID:48880 Activity:kinda low |
1/3 Welcome back up, Soda!
\_ Yay! Who do we thank? Then, who do we blame?
\_ Yay! Whom do we thank? Then, whom do we blame?
\_ I have come to terms with Soda, and laud those who
man the barricades. Soda is dead. Long live Soda.
\_ Who is the grammar nazi?
\_ What happened? I haven't been able to login in the past few days
until now. It kept on saying "permission denied" after I entered
my password.
\_ From what I hear, problems keeping LDAP up. -dans |
| 2007/12/24 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA] UID:48855 Activity:nil |
12/24 How come the CSUA phone has been busy for the last three days? -dans |
| 2007/11/7-12 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:48572 Activity:nil |
11/7 Did anyone have trouble logging in in the last 24 hours? I kept
getting "access denied"--has Soda been hacked yet again?
\_ i had that problem too
\_ The glorious politburo can't seem to keep the LDAP server up.
\_ Yes. Probably.
\_ if you bothered to look at the wall discussions, we noted that
there was a LDAP problem -- one of the csua LDAP servers was
down. -ERic
\_ Almost no one reads wall logs. Why not post this in
motd.official?
\_ Didn't have access sufficient to do anything other than
bellyache over wall or in the motd. -ERic |
| 2007/10/17-19 [Computer/SW/Languages/Misc, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA] UID:48350 Activity:low |
10/17 Would people mind cleaning up their old job postings in /csua/pub/jobs?
Thanks. -ausman
\_ I suggest a cron'd script that erases anything more than $x days
old.
\_ How about nuking anything older than 2 years?
\_ Sure, but I don't have root. |
| 2007/10/17-18 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA] UID:48339 Activity:high |
10/16 Is there any free tool on soda or in Windoze / Linux that takes a
bunch of .jpg files (wedding pictures, etc.) and generates
some good-looking web pages that I can host on soda? Thanks.
\_ I know of such a free tool on Windows, but I don't know of any
for this Windoze thing. Sorry. Is Windoze / Linux sort of like
RMS's GNU / Linux?
\_ Windows tool please then?
\_ Why host it on soda when it's reliability is um, non-existent
and the quota sucks? There are tons of ad-free picture hosting
sites (e.g. link:picasaweb.google.com with 1G quota,
auto compression upload, folder management, unlimited
bandwidth, 99.998% up time, etc.
\_ Because, really, your wedding photos need four nines of uptime.
And, in the interest of being pedantic, name *one* photo site
with four nines of up time? Hell, name one with three. -dans
\_ Yahoo's Flickr. You lose.
\_ Are they really four 9's? Most of Yahoo certainly is not.
\_ they're way better than soda, anyway.
\_ What is soda's 9's?
\_ two?
\_ two 9's would be 3.65 days, so soda has
one 9.
\_ Flickr has had total outages > 8 hours, and has daily
(hourly?) localized outages. You're just wrong. And once
again, I ask, why do you need even three 9's of uptime for
your wedding photos? -dans
\_ because it sucks to have any service unavailable at
unpredictable times, even if it's only for an hour
a month. Not that soda comes close to three 9's.
\_ There is still quota on soda? |
| 2007/10/9-11 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA, Recreation/Humor] UID:48274 Activity:low |
10/9 Soda is useless: discuss.
\_ worksforme. Closing bug. -dans
\_ "sense of humor" is defined as the ability to discriminate
funny from not-funny. -tom |
| 2007/9/26-10/2 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA] UID:48194 Activity:nil |
9/26 The new CSUA home page looks cool! But where did the soda machine
history page go?
\_ Request: from the main page, have another page that goes to
users' homepage. This is the best way to get our pages go
higher on PageRank.
\_ How about a page that introduces a totally cool retroactive chat
system (nwrite and wall) from the 70s?
\_ 80s, Please. |
| 2007/9/24-25 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA] UID:48168 Activity:nil |
9/24 Uh, dumb question but whatever happened to /csua/tmp?
\_ dang, looks nuked! |
| 2007/9/20-24 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA] UID:48138 Activity:nil |
9/20 is wall being officially squashed? Fingering lwall gets me
nowhere. Also /csua/bin/WHO: Permission denied.
:(
\_ can you finger any account?
\_ i can finger it, it just has no log. |
| 2007/9/6 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA, Recreation/Humor] UID:47910 Activity:nil |
9/5 [purged. if you harassing a csua member, don't. if it is an
inside joke then keep it inside. thanks.] |
| 2007/8/30-9/5 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA] UID:47825 Activity:nil 76%like:47822 |
8/30 CSUA office types: please contact me. I want to give you blowjobs.
--brain |
| 2007/8/30 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA] UID:47822 Activity:nil 76%like:47825 |
8/30 CSUA office types: please contact me. I want to give you books.\
--brain |
| 2007/8/29-31 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA] UID:47801 Activity:nil |
8/29 Restored much of /csua/bin and /csua/src (root only for the moment)
Enjoy. -mrauser |
| 2007/8/22-23 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA] UID:47710 Activity:low |
8/22 created a /csua/bin/mtd to appease the masses until those in charge
can find the source for the real one
\_ looks like yours does what it needs to. problem solved. thanks!
\_ Did the other version do anything more than copy+append like yours
is doing? |
| 2007/8/17-20 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA, Computer/SW/Apps/Media] UID:47639 Activity:nil 66%like:47664 |
8/16 CSUA theme song!
http://www.godtube.com/view_video.php?viewkey=668b10cb1188d40d3370 |
| 2007/8/8-10 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:47566 Activity:nil 66%like:47603 |
8/7 not that you're gonna read this ROOT but you could you restore
/csua/bin/mtd ? thanks
\_ ObDansFlamewar
\_ Huh? -dans
\_ I guess he means that you're famous for flaming
anyone who ever complains about ROOT not doing
anything or not fixing things that meet the wants
of the alums.
\_ Kind of an oversimplification, but whatever. -dans
\_ There was a setuid script /csua/bin/mtd what I assumed cron
periodically uses to merge /etc/motd.official and /etc/motd.public .
I just want root to put it back, and while they're at it,
make /csua/bin/ sticky. I mailed root@csua too. |
| 2007/8/6-8 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA] UID:47546 Activity:low |
8/6 What happened to /csua/bin?
\_ NUKED! |
| 2007/7/25-28 [Health/Sleeping, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA] UID:47418 Activity:kinda low |
7/24 My neighbor's busty 20 year old college-student
daughter came over today to shoot the bull. Even though she's
dumb as a post, she somehow
manages to go to Cal Poly. She is incredibly tan and fit and
somehow I found myself wanting to bang her silly, even though
she's 15 years younger than I am and it's painful to have a
conversation with her. WTF is wrong with me? She's practically a kid!
Am I officially a dirty old man?
\_ You're officially a healthy, normal, non-gay man.
Congratulations.
\_ No, just a man.
\_ You think she came over to just chat with you? What's up with that?
She's an adult, do whatever. At least you're honest with yourself
about it.
\_ See you've been trained by certain people to think that a 20 year
old is a child. Reality check: she is a completely mature woman.
She may not have the wisdom of age, but that's irrelevant. Some
people never have that. And you don't need that to eat, sleep, or
screw.
\_ She's a 20 year-old. On average, 20 year-olds are not mature.
Odds that she's "completely mature" are not high. That said, it's
also irrelevant. She's an adult. If she's a consenting adult,
have fun. Oh, and remember not to try borrowing your neighbor's
power tools for a while.
\_ "Why not, his daughter has just borrowed my power tool."
\_ "Why not? His daughter has just borrowed my power tool."
\_ Adult = mature, by definition. Too much bullshit out there
about this.
\_ Give it a rest, paedophile.
\_ lol?
\_ By "painful to have a conversation with her", do you mean she's a
moron, or do you mean it's hard to hold back you urge and not
explode in your pants when you talk to her in close range?
explode in your pants when you talk to her?
\_ I mean that there's a generation gap that certainly makes
her sound like a moron. Who said I didn't explode in my pants?
\_ I really don't know how this thread turned from "man, I want her!"
to "she really wants you man!" just 'cause she came over to talk
to this guy. Maybe he can convert her craving for attention to
a romp in the hay, but I doubt a 20-year-old college hottie is
hard-up for sex.
\_ This is not what the majority of my csua mbox is telling me.
\_ She doesn't have to be hard-up to want to be schtupped. She
might want to schtup three guys in one day. Lots of girls
that age are sluts.
\_ Can I have their phone numbers? |
| 2007/5/31-6/3 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA, Computer/HW] UID:46805 Activity:nil |
5/31 I'm trying to set up Thunderbird to read my soda mail. Does the soda
mail incoming server use POP or IMAP? And what are the incoming and
outgoing server names? Thanks.
\_ I think you're going to want to use mead.csua for both incoming
and outgoing. I am almost positive we don't have unsecured pop,
though we should have IMAP working. Good luck. |
| 2007/5/3-7 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:46523 Activity:high |
5/3 Cal's newest pole vaulter, Allison Stokke.
link:tinyurl.com/23prtm
\_ http://www.ebonyincrediblepass.com/t1/thumbs/05/b1.jpg
\_ Not work safe. Big black boobs.
\_ NOT relevant to Allison.
\_ http://i14.tinypic.com/5ym0aj4.jpg
\_ NOT relevant to Allison. Huge Barbie boobs.
\_ yer fu is weak
http://www.dyestat.com/3us/6out/NikeOutdoorNats/album-vic-jumps-g
pages/154GM8W1068.htm
\_ Here's another pic. She's really cute, too!
http://www.dyestat.com/3us/college/choices07/pix/Stokke.jpg
\_ Man is she fine. I've always been a fan of track. At least I've
been meaning to always be a fan of track.
\_ http://youtube.com/watch?v=zasPlQYZEHw
\_ Wow, I would ungay so fast for her. Berkeley should
feature her in their recruitment lit.
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=184340207
http://urltea.com/hj6 (profile.myspace.com)
\_ ObVaultMyPoleJoke
\_ how much are season trach tickets?
\_ how much are season track tickets?
\_ That is one beautiful woman, but there are many as good-looking
on TV. What's all the fuss?
\_ They don't go to CAL, DUMBASS.
\_ Plus, since her favorite movie is LOTR, maybe a CSUA geek
has a shot if she happens to be in his lecture or in
line in front of him at Strada.
\_ If this mysterious CSUAer saw her in line at Strada he'd
do what? "Hi, I saw on the motd that you're a LOTR fan!
Do you want to join my D&D game at the dorms? We always
have room for hot chicks!"
\_ "Hi. I'm <CSUA nerd>. Can I buy you a coffee?"
\_ "Hi, you're hot. Can I buy you a coconut juice?
Hopefully you will reciprocate with eventual sex."
\_ Hi, I'm <CSUA nerd>. Can I buy you a new house?
.com made it good to be a nerd ...
\_ No one standing in line at Strada ever made a dime
of dotcom money.
\_ Well, no actually. But you are probably
pretty close to correct.
\_ Plus most of them are airhead bimbos; this is a smart
athlete.
\_ OK, so she's perfect 10 in two categories, how's her
personality?
\_ This is the CSUA. Breathing is usually all that's
required and I think she's got that covered.
\_ You need to breathe a lot to pole vault.
\_ So, you're only gay due to lack of hot chicks at Berkeley? |
| 2007/5/2-4 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA] UID:46511 Activity:moderate |
5/2 Is the CSUA office moving?
\_ Yes. Although the CSUA office appears to be located in a static
position on the surface of the earth, the earth's surface is in
constant motion as the very thin plate of rock the office rests on
shifts across a giant ball of magma. The earth itself is spinning
at roughly 24 mph. It is also moving around the nearest star, we
call The Sun, at a rate of one revolution per approximately 365
days. At roughly 93 million miles in a slightly elliptical orbit
we leave it to the reader (or google) to find out how fast that is.
The Sun is moving through the Milky Way galaxy once per 64 million
years while the galaxy itself is on a collision course with another
nearby galaxy. But don't worry about that. Long before this
galaxy collides with another thereby destroying the CSUA office,
the molecules of the office itself will be reabsorbed into the
Great Soup Of Stuff that the universe is made of and long forgotten
by the survivors of any current species.
\_ the one-liner below you was funnier.
\_ a cheap follower. and no, not really. reading is hard.
let's go shopping!
\_ you can always find a frame of reference in which the CSUA office
is moving...
\_ You can always find a CSUA office for which a frame of reference
is moving. |
| 2007/4/25-27 [Recreation/Computer/Games, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA] UID:46444 Activity:low |
4/24 Is it cool that Politburo is spending $600 on XBox 360, even if it is
ASUC money? How about hardware that doesn't crash instead.
\_ Video games are a huge recruiting resource. While I agree it'd be
nice if soda wasn't probabilistic, having an xbox 360 in the office
probably brings in more new members than anything to do with soda.
\_ Do XBox 360s crash? They may be doing just what you suggest.
\_ Seriously. Regardless of changes in youth culture, you can't put
"played video games" on yer resume. I always thought there was an
educational mission implicit in the CSUA's activities.
\_ Nor can you put "ate food at bbq". Clubs are clubs. Social
events are part of the club. A video game system in the
office is a social thing. Previous generations had a snes
and a ps2, this is about the same.
\_ I have always viewed the CSUA primarily as a social
organization; the goal should be to build community.
Game-playing can be part of that, and game-playing has
certainly been a large part of the history of the CSUA,
dating back to netrek/nethack/griljor, not to mention
the Risk tournament. I do think that the organizaton
needs to accomplish more than it currently is to earn
the credibility to spend a bunch of money on a game
system. If the CSUA is viewed as "that office where
geeks just sit around playing Xbox," and the basic
business of the organization isn't being taken care of,
it could lead to serious problems with the CS department
and with the ASUC. -tom
\_ Well said. |
| 2007/4/13-16 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA] UID:46297 Activity:kinda low |
4/13 Yes, tom can be obtuse, but he's not the only one wondering why soda
isn't reliable, why mail isn't reliable, why there aren't any help
sessions, why meetings aren't publicized, etc. etc. I realize the
csua has had fallow periods, but this seems unprecedented in the
10 years that I've been member. I realize that times have changed
a lot, but I would be sad if the institution that helped me so much
in my time at Soda were to wither and fall away. !(dans || tom)
\_ Frankly, every alum assumes that because soda is not being
administrated well that the students are not being served. This
is not the case. Sadly, by far the majority of new memebers will
never log into thier soda account. The machine is no longer a
"necessity" to new students, who all have one or more personal
computers powerful enough for thier needs.
The meeting publicity is a good point, and I've been talking to
polit trying to get them to be more proactive about getting the
word out. But the lack of visible publicity is not a good
indicator because events have been occuring. We put on at least 3
helpsessions in the first few weeks as well as 2 general meetings,
a video game tournament, broomball, movie nights etc. Things are
happening, the club is not coming to an end.
We are going to work toward making soda more reliable. At the
moment, there are very few people helping the VP out, and he is
overburdened with the enormity of being responsible for fixing all
of the current issues. That is going to change, which will
hopefully result in better stability and usability for soda.
-mrauser
\_ How can there be no one helping the VP out when there
are 7 politburo members? What is the role of the alumni
relations politburo position when there is no one
relating to the alumni except to complain about them?
Do you really think that current students don't need to
have information available on the CSUA web page? (I see
that some contact info has been put up, after 5 months
of nothing being there--that's a start). -tom
\_ Sadly, the current feeling is that whenever there is a
problem with soda, its the VP's sole responsibility to deal
with it. It actually doesn't make sense for the other
members of politburo to be co/assistant VPs, because they
each have job responsibilities that need to get done. But
right now, darch isn't recieving very much support from
root staff, because most of them are so jaded and
disgruntled that they don't wish to help out (except mconst
who is saintly in his patience).
As far as I can tell, the two alumni and industry relations
officers have done very little at all. This is a result of
us not having a good person for the job and just needing it
filled.
I think the website is a huge resource which right now the
current politburo is wasting. But, seeing as I am not on
politburo, its not my job to fix thier screw ups. I have
mentioned this to them many many times, so they know abou it,
but apparently its not a large enough priority to restore it's
functionality. Whats even worse than the website, is lately
minutes of meetings have not been taken. Both of these
issues are a function of the elected secretary just flaking
out and quitting about a month into the semester (what caused
that might have been _my_ bugging him about the website).
I don't mind answering your questions, but I've already
served 4 semesters on politburo and I want to let the current
group make thier own decisions/mistakes, though I try to
influence them in the right direction (by pointing out errors
like not taking minutes). -mrauser
\_ Do you really think your apparent outrage, damnation with
faint praise, and general tone of condescension help matters?
-dans
\_ I think my questions deserve answers. -tom
\_ I was getting to it. -mrauser
\_ I think your questions are reasonable enough. Is it
reasonable to expect that they should be answered?
Sure. That said, saying that your questions *deserve*
answers strikes me as a little presumptuous. -dans |
| 2007/4/13-16 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA] UID:46286 Activity:nil |
4/12 Thank you for fixing log rotation and thinking about not
blocking pings to soda. I apologize for inferring
whoever is running Soda these days is a knappy headed fucking Asperger's
Syndrome autistic retard. - !tom
\_ The person fixing log rotation is an alum volunteer and the csua
politburo almost certainly had nothing to do with this. |
| 2007/4/9-12 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA, Industry/Jobs] UID:46237 Activity:low 50%like:46150 |
4/8 fyi no new mail coming in
\_ obUseSodaOnlyForMotd
\_ embarrassing.. Google recruiter had 2 of my resumes .. one
was with my csua email account (which i like because it
showed off berkeley) and the other with another acct..
He asked me why did you move your email to gmail when
having the http://berkeley.edu address is better for your resume
I told him because the csua email was too unreliable..
He told me. .that's why we like to hire stanford people.
\_ I heard that those jerks don't like to hire people who can't
indent one's code either.
\_ well you could always get a <DEAD>cal.berkeley.edu<DEAD> or
link:alum.berkeley.edu and forward it to gmail.
\_ And you told him, "If you can't see I graduated from Berkeley on
my resume without having it as my email address you're not smart
enough to hire me, thanks". Right? Anyway, why would you want
to work for Google at this point in their history anyway? Do you
have a PhD? If not, I see no reason to go there.
\_ Related: It is likely that starting next year, students will
be able to keep their @berkeley.edu addresses for life (as
forwarding addresses). -tom
\_ That's cool. Who runs this program and how do we sign up when
it's ready? Thanks!
\_ Right now it's only an agreement in principle. I expect
the way it will work is that when you put yourself on the
degree list, you'll get asked for a forwarding email address.
University Relations is very interested in keeping in
touch with young alumni. -tom
\_ They're interested in keeping touch with all Alumni. Or
so the numberous requests for donations I get each year
so the numerous requests for donations I get each year
would seem to indicate. --erikred
\_ Well, of course. But if they lose them in the first
five years, they rarely get them back. They want to
"build lifelong relationships" so that you'll donate
once you're old enough to have earned money. -tom
\_ Good point. --erikred
\_ I graduated. Do they plan to have a way for senile grads
to signup?
\_ At the very least, you'll be able to do
@cal.berkeley.edu. Dunno about @berkeley.edu. -tom
\_ Thanks tom. Please keep us informed. |
| 2007/4/8-12 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA] UID:46233 Activity:nil |
4/8 So what's going on with soda email? (Yes, I saw the mention in
motd.public, but it's over a week old and is pretty vague.) I'm
still not getting any new email, and email sent to me doesn't even
seem to be generating bounce notices.
\_ ...then they came for the pine users but I wasn't a pine user so I
said nothing. And when they finally came for the rest of the mail
users there was no one left to speak for me. (Stop using soda for
email).
\_ Soda should:
A. Have working email.
B. Forward email.
C. Reject email with bounce notices.
Right now, it does none of them.
\_ It should. But it doesn't. Continuing to send your mail to
a broken system that doesn't appear to be getting fixed any
time soon is futile. Your mail will be assimilated. |
| 2007/4/2-3 [Reference/Law/Court, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA] UID:46175 Activity:nil |
4/2 Are you a gadget freak? Do you know a gadget freak? The US District
Court is looking for a gadgeteer to supervise just about any device
not attached to a desk. Listing here:
/csua/pub/jobs/courtroom_tech_spec
E-mail me with questions. --erikred |
| 2007/4/2-3 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:46172 Activity:low |
4/2 Is Rachel Ray fat?
\_ Doesn't look too bad.
http://www.joncellini.com/blog/archives/images/5big.jpg
\_ She's fat for a supermodel. She's fat for a female
celebrity. She's not fat by American averages.
\_ ob is she fat by soda standards?
\_ ob is she fat by soda averages?
\_ By soda's fat ugly nerd standards, she's fucking HOT. |
| 2007/3/30-4/3 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA] UID:46160 Activity:kinda low |
3/30 I've been in CSUA for roughly 14 years, and during most of that
time (13 yrs) it has been a stable environment. It's only been the
past year or so where it's been having a bunch of issues. Is there any
reason why now? Did CSUA lose funding? Admin Support? Or something
that drove it into the unstable environment it is today? I know it's
been a quasi-volunteer effort, so I appreciate the attention it has
been given, but did the volunteerism just fall-off the past year? Not
trolling, seriously wondering.
\_ soda moved to a linux box
\_ That's a symptom, not a cause.
\_ too many new hot cs girls? no time to be a geek
\_ too many mmorpgs, no time to be a unix geek. Seriously, in
recent years I've noticed that fresh grads are far less
interested/knowledgeable about unix than in the late 90s
and early 2000s. Even the ones who run Linux are way to
dependent on guis and point and click. I think that the
world has moved on and we crusty old geezers have been
left behind.
\_ Great, this week I've been called a "crusty old geezer" and
bought a walkman I used at Cal that is titled "vintage" on
eBay.
bought a walkman I used at Cal now labeled "vintage" on eBay.
\_ On my 31st birthday I was asked how it felt to be
a member of the AARP by an undergrad. It was ment
as a joke, but still being around kids who were
barely alive when 4.4BSD was released makes one
feel OLD. I wonder what it will feel like when
they start playing U2 on the "oldies" stations. |
| 2007/3/30 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA] UID:46157 Activity:nil |
3/30 \_ I've been in CSUA for roughly 14 years, and during most of that
time (13 yrs) it has been a stable environment. It's only been the
past year or so where it's been having a bunch of issues. Is there any
reason why now? Did CSUA lose funding? Admin Support? Or something
that drove it into the unstable environment it is today? I know it's
been a quasi-volunteer effort, so I appreciate the attention it has been
given, but did the volunteerism just fall-off the past year?
Not trolling, seriously wondering. |
| 2007/3/30-4/3 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:46150 Activity:low 50%like:46237 |
3/31 is mail working? no new mailing coming in.
\_ i like it when I delete mail, then it comes back like i didn't
do anything
\_ I believe soda thinks that the mail is on a read-only FS.
\_ Actually, mead seems to have it mounted read-only. And it
looks like they're trying to move it to maildirs, and failing.
\_ According to dans, you should now run a cost/benefit analysis
and submit it to the politburo so they can consider whether to
view lack of email as a problem. -tom
\_ I will be be bringing up whether you are good for and a danger
to the CSUA at the next Politburo meeting. I asked you not to
speak about me. Now you have gone too far. -dans
\_ Who knew annoying dans was a squishable offense?
\_ Tom must be taught a lesson!
\_ Tom must be taught a lesson! -dans
\_ Strength through ignorance!
view lack of email as a problem. And psb, stop impersonating
other people on the MOTD. -tom
\_ would 2 snickers bars do?
\_ not for me. so sad. |
| 2007/3/26-28 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA] UID:46103 Activity:nil |
3/26 Could you add more helpful instructions to /csua/soda-changes.2007.1 to
tell me how to fix my spamassassin, unless there is something better.
Also, why no md2mb util?
\_ nevermind, I'm lame. -op |
| 2007/3/14-15 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA] UID:45967 Activity:low |
3/14 Hi, is Thunderbird installed on soda? Thanks.
\_ No, and if you run X off of Soda you are a loser.
Run it on your local machine, or run mutt on soda.
\_ If I run it on my local machine, does it save my mail on soda
or on my local harddisk? Thx.
\_ Depends on how you configure it. |
| 2007/2/16-18 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA] UID:45752 Activity:nil |
2/16 Hi csua-ers, have you sort out the pine not loading new emils
problem? - tia
\_ I forward my email to my gmail acct. That seems to do the trick.
\_ hahah...what about spam filtering?
\_ gmail does a great job filtering spam. |
| 2007/2/11-13 [Computer/SW/Mail, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA, Computer/SW/WWW/Server] UID:45709 Activity:nil |
2/11 \_ Is POP back up? Haven't got it to work since Soda got back
up. (SSL http://soda.csua.berkeley.edu port 995)
\_ Legitimately curious, why use POP when you IMAP is available to you?
-dans
\_ Uh, isn't IMAP still down? I still can't access it
-pmw
\_ I neither know nor care. I forward mail off soda to a box
where I run IMAP. :) -dans
\_ In the past (1997) when I used IMAP, it would mark my messages
as "read" when I read them on my client machine. I don't like
this, I like to have the messages as two distinct instances, one
on Soda and one on my home machine. If I read it on my client I
want it to still show and unread on Soda. Also, IMAP is more for
people with always on connections, which I don't have. That's
why I prefer offline processing (Pop) vs interactive processing
(IMAP).
\_ Hmm, I don't understand why you'd want things you've read not
to be marked as read, but if that's how you work, more power
to you. It's worth noting that many modern IMAP clients, eg
OS X's Mail.app, have excellent offline modes, which serves
the same purposes as POP, but with IMAP's richer semantics.
-dans
\_ Thanks, maybe I'll check it out again. 10 yrs of software
development may have fixed my intial hang-ups. |
| 2007/2/8-11 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA] UID:45691 Activity:nil |
2/9 Who is the vp of csua?
\_ darch -dans |
| 2007/2/4-7 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA, Computer/SW/SpamAssassin] UID:45651 Activity:nil |
2/4 Does someone have a simple working .procmailrc for the new soda?
I can't seem to get mine working despite trying the suggestions
on the motd.
\_
DEFAULT=/var/mail/USERNAME/
:0fw
| /usr/bin/spamassassin
:0:
* ^X-Spam-Status: Yes
spam/ |
| 2007/1/31-2/3 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA] UID:45635 Activity:nil 50%like:45629 |
1/31 Is anyone having luck using IMAP against http://csua.berkeley.edu? It works fine for me against mail.csua, but that server doesn't -appear- to have the same homedir and it can't access my ~/mail. Also, even with the DEFAULT fix, this still really seems to be screwing up procmail. Ungh. Need.Spam.Filtering. |
| 2007/1/30-2/6 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA] UID:45621 Activity:nil |
1/30 Note that exim invokes pipes in .forward files directly rather than
starting a subshell; it'll break on IFS= and similar stuff. See
the update to /csua/soda-changes.2007.01. -- darch |
| 2007/1/28-2/1 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA] UID:45608 Activity:nil |
1/28 Thanks for reviving soda! Any chance of getting NMH installed?
\_ Ok, it's installed in /usr/bin/mh. --mconst
\_ Thank you again, and again, and again. Your efforts are mightily
appreciated. --erikred
\_ Ok, I think I've installed it in /usr/bin/mh. Let me know if
it works for you. --mconst
\_ I award you a soda barnstar: * |
| 2007/1/28-2/1 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA] UID:45605 Activity:nil |
1/26 On January 26, 2007, http://csua.berkeley.edu became operational to UCB students, alumni, and affiliates once again. ____ _ _ _ _ _ / ___| ___ __| | __ _ (_)___ | |__ __ _ ___| | _| | \___ \ / _ \ / _` |/ _` | | / __| | '_ \ / _` |/ __| |/ / | ___) | (_) | (_| | (_| | | \__ \ | |_) | (_| | (__| <|_| |____/ \___/ \__,_|\__,_| |_|___/ |_.__/ \__,_|\___|_|\_(_) |
| 2007/1/26-2/1 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA] UID:45601 Activity:nil |
1/26 Could someone please install curl?
apt-get install curl
Thanks!
\_ Done. --mconst
\_ mconst rules
\_ mconst > darch, politburo
\_ larry ellison > god > mconst > unix god > darch, politburo |
| 2007/1/26-2/6 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA] UID:45593 Activity:nil |
1/26 Since no one seems to read the motd.official:
please see /csua/soda-changes.2007.01
before asking dumb questions -not root |
| 2007/1/26-2008/4/21 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA] UID:45591 Activity:nil |
01/25 More bad stuff, and more downtime. Also, notionally good stuff
that might be inconvenient in the short term. Apache will be back
soon, and /csua will similarly be repopulated soon. Meanwhile,
feel free to mail root@ with stuff that's missing and we'll look
into it. For a longer discussion, including information about
changes to email, see /csua/soda-changes.2007.01 |
| 2007/1/25-28 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:45582 Activity:moderate |
1/25 One week later: so, how about a status report from csua? We've had the
same page displayed for quite some time. --erikred
\_ I think the bottom line is that they just don't care.
\_ This is a great loss for the undergrads over the long term.
The permanent loss of job contacts and technical help is
going to hurt the current and all future generations. Success
isn't about what you know, your GPA, or which school gave you
what letters on your diploma. It has always been about who you
know. Oh well. If any of the politburo are reading it would
be nice to get a real status report or at least to see the box
come up for a week so we can grab our files before moving on.
\_ Spoken like a delusional alumn. "Oh we are great, they need
us." In reality the biggest losers are the alumni. Students
don't value connections with moldy alumni and thus have
nothing to lose in the first place.
\_ Troll else where. Soda is back up so you can troll there
again. |
| 2007/1/16-24 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:45553 Activity:nil |
1/16 CSUA Predictions:
Machine up this Friday. Machine discovered to be hacked 3 days later.
CS dept pissed off. Machine down two more months. Both
http://csua.com and http://csua.org gain more popularity than http://csua.berkeley.edu. |
| 2007/1/7-24 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:45528 Activity:nil |
1/14 Called the csua office on Friday and was told that the machine is fixed
and ready to go, but UC won't allow it back on the network because it's
been rootkitted too many times. "someone who cares," you're doing more
harm than good. If you want to help, go through the politburo; cowboy
rootkits are not the way to go. --erikred
\_ "I take matters into my own hands. That's the American spirit."
-libural faking to be a cowboy conservative
\_ What you guys SHOULD really have done is run soda inside the VM
so that it's much easier to contain and to duplicate. You can run
multiple VMs on one machine. They even have educational discounts.
\_ Uh, does that mean it will never be back up? Can I have my fucking
files back from my account?
\_ As far as I know erik you either have wrong or deprecated
information. The machine is still in the process of being fixed and
darch (the vp) has given an eta of "up on wednesday." While I think
the dept. is growing increasingly worried that we seem to get rooted
a bunch, I haven't heard anything substantial as to our "not being
allowed to bring it back online." And I was AT the office yesterday
and at the ensuing first politburo meeting. -mrauser
\_ ...? Your being there certainly trumps my phone call. I'll make
sure to get the name of the undergrad next time I call. And a
Wednesday eta sounds great. Thank you for the update. --erikred |
| 2006/12/29-30 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA] UID:45512 Activity:high |
12/29 Soda Update:
Sorry for breaking the ever-so interesting topic of Bush bashing,
etc. Anyway, as most of you have probably noticed, Soda did not
go down as we had anticipated, which is good and bad. Basically
card keys are not working yet, due to system issues on the UCPD
side of getting cardkey access before the end of the term. I am
anticipating that cardkey access will be available immediately
following the new year, so we will attempt to try our Soda
maintenance again after the new year.
In the mean time, enjoy your time and use of Soda. I will let
you all know when Soda will be out of service. Until then,
I wish everyone a happy new year.
-- minghay
\_ So, what, did soda get pwn3d again?
\_ Yes, but enjoy some soda meanwhile! |
| 2006/12/19-21 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA] UID:45475 Activity:kinda low |
12/19 Is csua mail down again? Outgoing mail does not seem get sent
\_ thank you~~!
\_ Hey jvarga, if I throw in one more manpower, would you be able to
1/2 the time to repair soda? -management
\_ Not likely. - jvarga |
| 2006/12/6-12 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA] UID:45417 Activity:nil |
12/6 Congrats to new Politburo!
(P) Minghay, (VP) Darch, (T) Vaheder, (S) Michener, (L) Bordicon,
(E) Dvd, (A) Edilaic -mrauser
\_ So, does Darch know how to administer a Linux box?
\_ You should ask that of any of the last 3 or 4 VPs |
| 2006/12/5-12 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA] UID:45411 Activity:nil |
12/4 So exactly what happened to soda? Why was it taken down?
Did hardware fail, or was the box rooted, or what?
\_ It was eaten by a grue.
\_ rootkit
\_ Okay, so how was soda rooted this time? |
| 11/23 |