8/29    I installed the latest ssh on my linux box.  Is there some way it
        can be configured to play nicely with soda (with soda as the host)
        or must i install version 1?
        \_ You must use version 1 to talk to soda until an ssh server becomes
           available that:
                a) supports both version 1 & 2
                b) has a license that allows the CSUA to use it (the one
                        currently provided by www.ssh.fi does not)
                b) has a license that allows the CSUA to use it for free (the
                        one currently provided by www.ssh.fi does not)
                \_ Why doesn't the CSUA get off their cheap ass and buy
                   a copy.  -- anonymous coward
                        \_ Why don't you donate enough money to the CSUA
                           so we can afford one?  A 10-user license is $495,
                           the CSUA has 200+ users online right now, you do
                           the math.
                           \_ The cost is $495 for an unlimited server
                              license.  You're confusing the client software
                              with the server software.
                              <DEAD>www.netsales.net/pk.wcgi/datafellows/home<DEAD>
                              <DEAD>www.netsales.net/pk.wcgi/datafellows/1195655-7<DEAD>
                                \_ http://www.europe.datafellows.com/download-purchase/purchase
                           \_ anyone tried begging for one?
                           \_ Actually, CSUA has much more than 200 users
                              do a wc -l /etc/passwd
           Until then, the CSUA will not upgrade.       --root
                \_ Super geeky regx correction removed.  Original text
                   modified as per super geeky regx correction.

8/28    I'd like to learn (more)about sys admin.  For all you sys admins out
        there:  What's some of the best ways to learn a lot in a short amount
        of time (6 months)?
        \_ By doing.  Set up multiple boxes with the OS you're most interested
           in and network them in various ways.  That's a good start.
        \_ There are some good pages on the web for specific questions to
           common tricky technical problems--I recall there were a few pretty
           good links from <DEAD>www.geek-girl.org<DEAD> (outdated?)  -John
           \_ Where is the power switch on my computer?
        \_ go to Berkeley, get sucky grades, join CSUA. CSUA is a sys admin
           farm. Every year, 8/10 CS drop-outs from Berkeley become sys admin
           and make lots of money.
           \_ shut up kchang
        \_ Like to learn more about sys admin, eh?  Which one?  AlanC?  He's
           pretty sexy...
                \_ I'm sexier.
                \_ Unfortunately for you, alanc is already married and now
                   works as a developer, not a sysadmin.

8/25    Policy question: would it be against csua policy if I wrote a
        server to listen to an ephemeral port on csua which would
        establish a connection using popen to "telnet agate nntp"
        This would create a backdoor allowing anyone to access agate using
        a non-Berkeley ISP.
        \_ of course it would be.
        \_ use ssh port-forwarding to give yourself access w/o making
           a public service of it.
        \_ Not just against CSUA but also UC Berkeley policy.
          \_ Dan Bernstein almost got squished for doin the same thing on the
             OCF.

8/11    Openings for java programmers at Nextera Interactive in SF.
        See /csua/pub/jobs/NexteraInteractive.  --mgeis

8/6     New functionality for man (in /csua/bin/man):
        man runs dict on your query if there's no manpage -jones

soda 22: man biteme
No manual entry for biteme
Looking in the dictionary.
No definitions found for "biteme", perhaps you mean:
web1913:  Bireme  Bitume

8/5     CSUA has a giant AT case up for grabs, contact politburo to claim.

08/05 CSUA office reconfiguration complete.

07/27 Tentative Next Politburo Meeting: look on the webpage for details.

08.01 CSUA Giveaway:
      All you sysadmins, and delvers of things arcane: here is your chance
      to get your hands on those ultrix, sunos, hpux, and aux infomation that
      you always wanted.  For one day only, Monday, 8.2.99, Outside the csua
      door, yes outside 343 Soda, on the floor of the hallway are all
      the books you could possibly want on these things.  Please take
      them.  Take them home.  Take them away.  You know you want
      them. They're old, they're geeky. Take them.  You want them. Take them.

07.28 CSUA HIKE:  Sunday, Aug. 1
      Join the CSUA on an easy hike in Pt. Reyes (8 miles).  Bring water,
      sunscreen, lunch, and maybe a frisbee to toss around on the beach.

      We're tentatively leaving from the Westside Entrance of campus,
      (near warren hall--at the center of the U-shaped road) at 10am.

      Please contact me if you're interested in going:  peterm@soda.csua
      I would like to get a headcount and arrange transportation.

7.18    We need a funny/humourous picture of a cow.  For the Undergraduate
        Cluster of Obsolete Workstations (this was / is the csua lounge)
                Note that there is not now and never has been _/
                a CSUA lounge in Soda.  The CSUA "owns" only the
                office and does not control the undergraduate lounge,
                just maintains the computers there.  (This has actually
                been an important point in dept. politics before, such
                as when the CSGSA wanted the CSUA to give up either the
                lounge or the office to them and was told the lounge wasn't
                the CSUA's to give up.)
        if there are any people who have such a thing, please email
        prole@csua
        \_ It's amusing to call those workstations obsolete when some of
           the hardware in there is better than the crap you find on the
           second floor!  Who'd have thought that the CSUA would have
           better hook-ups than the CS Department.
                \_ it doesn't.  The department has much much cooler computers,
                   it just doesn't believe that undergrads are worth shit,
                   which is why undergrad labs only get donated computers
                   and undergrad labs keep getting closed.

07/12 Tentative Next Politburo Meeting, 6:00pm Tuesday July 27th, 337/343 Soda.

07/12 Politburo Meeting, 6:00pm Wednesday July 13th, 337/343 Soda.

6/30    Politburo meeting minutes available, /csua/pub/minutes/Su1999

6/30    Are cgi-scripts enabled on csua homepages?
        \_ Read 'man www'
        \_ Where is the man page located?  I need to add it onto my
           MANPATH...
                \_ unsetenv MANPATH and use the default
                   it will find all you need

06/29 CSUA Politburo Meeting, 5:00pm Wednesday 6/30, 337 or 343 Soda

6/25    /csua/pub/afterlife
        \_ There is nothing but death after life.
                \_ and you know this because...
                   \_ Been there.
                      \_ Go back and stay there then.
                         \_ Hyuck!  You're *so* smart!  Learn to quip like
                            that in third grade?  Hyuck!
                            \_ And "Hyuck!" is a paragon of clever retorts?
                            \_ It's called "returning a lame response with
                               another lame reponse," idiot.
        \_ Good idea -- whose idea was this?
                \_ It's a lame idea.  The real afterlife points go to those
                   who have enough afterlife to not log into soda anymore and
                   fill out their afterlife points total and update it as
                   their situation changes.
        \_ Is the out of county rule different from the one for life -- you
           don't get a point if you're in the same county?
           \_ Yup.  And it's even more ridiculous when applied to adults than
              to students.  The self appointed afterlife god is either still
              a student or still living a student lifestyle.
        \_ exactly which afterlife points are you not getting because
           of the out-of-county rule?  House?  Domestic Partner?  Home
           Networking?  Home Reasonable Multi-Tasking OS?  Retirement?

6/18    /csua/pub/life - you know the drill.  Recent grads record their "final"
        scores, others update their progress (before or after graduation).
        \_ The "out of county" rule is moronic re: jobs.  %99 of good jobs are
           "out of county" from reasonable housing.
        \_ if your time is worth $100/hour, and you spend an extra hour
           a day commuting because you want "reasonable" housing, the
           cost of your commute is over $2000/month.

5/31    I remember a long time ago that CSUA posted a contest to find
        a function that is continuous everywhere but yet not differentiable
        everywhere.  What is the answer?
        \_ |x|

FreeBSD 2.2.6-STABLE #0: Sun May  3 22:30:48 PDT 1998

Tue May 25 14:30:21 PDT 1999
        Soda go boom again.  -root

Tue May 25 02:30:54 PDT 1999
        Soda is back up.  It went down unexpectedly.  Sorry. -root

5/19    Jobs at Siebel. Please send your resumes to jeyu@siebel.com.
        [please do not post long job descriptions.  put them in /csua/pub/jobs]

5/17    Seti@home for windowz is out!  /csua/tmp/setiathome_win_1_0.exe
        For those also having trouble getting to their dl directory.
        for more info, http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu -ERic
        \_ I RAN IT AND FOUND ET!  I FOUND ET!  I'M GOING HOME!
Padme is really Queen Amidala

5/17    MUD Interns: /csua/pub/jobs/Skotos
        \_ muaaahhwwwhhhaahahaahhooooahhhh!!!!!!1!!1!!!7!

5/17    PLEASE clean up your old crap in the /csua/pub/job dir!
        \_ I'd like to, but all the files and dirs I put there before are now
           owned by root.
Darth Maul kills Qui-Gon.
                \_ root would be happy to help you with this problem.

5/9     Your Summer/Fall 1999 Politburo is: President Paolo Soto (paolo),
        Vice President Mike Howard (mikeh), Treasurer Rhys Cheung (reeser),
        Secretary Dan Silverstein (dans), and Librarian Jon Kuroda (jon).

5/14    Internet game internship: /csua/pub/jobs/Skotos

5/11    Announcing the CSUA Recruiting Network!
        Alums:  Do you work for a company that's always looking for new people?
                Send CSUA member resumes to your recruiters and earn
                recruiting bonuses!  (And if you decide to donate some of it
                back to the CSUA, we won't complain.)
        New grads:  Very few people are hired for just sending a resume to HR.
                Instead give it to alums who can put it on the inside track and
                who can help you find out what positions are available.
        \_ Okay, where are the resumes located?  We are looking for QA, UI
           engineers -- szs
        New grads:  Very few people are hired for just sending a resume to HR.
                Instead give it to alums who can put it on the inside track and
                who can help you find out what positions are available.

5/10    Ban kchang from lwall!  Mail root!  Mail Politburo!
        \_ Not technically possible without removing functionality.
                \_ uh... get a life?

5/11    I want to donate a couple of old Sparc 2's to the csua
        via my company. Is there an offical process? Who should
        I talk to?
        \_ ms. treasurer
           \_ Who is the current treasurer? Email id would be best.
                \_ treasurer@csua or READ THE TOP OF THE MOTD MORON
              There is this form that I have to fill out, etc.
        % expn treasurer@CSUA.Berkeley.EDU
        Rhys Cheung <reeser@soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU>
        \_ Thanks.
           \_ What the hell's wrong with just emailing "treasurer" in
              the first palce. sheesh...
              the first place. sheesh...
        \_ You know you really shouldn't bother.  Look at the attitude.  Last
           time I donated something, it was a huge hassle and no one gave a
           damn.  The kids all make noise about wanting more stuff to play
           with but I really don't see it.  A busy alum doesn't have time to
           read the motd to find some alias and asks how to donate and gets
           shit for it?  Hey kids, time to wake up. - aaron
                \_ Nothing new about the ASUC making donations a bureaucratic
                   pain in the ass.
                        \_ I was more commenting on the CSUA attitude than the
                           UC paperwork.  Calling him a moron?  Really....
                           \_ It's the attitude of a single hozer. You
                              really ought not count that as being the general
                              attitude of the CSUA.
                           \_The ASUC has managed to lose the reimbursement
                             papers at least twice already, and are now
                             working on it again.
        \_ By forcing others in the computing community to go through our
           own bureaucratic institutions, not helping them, and insulting
           them, we only propagate something all of us detest. Maybe we
           don't want to look like kids desperate for hardware; we
           aren't, but we don't have to insult others to prove our worth.

5/9     C S U A    G E N E R A L    M E E T I N G   &   E L E C T I O N
        Results:  The Fall 1999 Politburo is:
                    President       -  Paolo Soto (paolo)
                    Vice President  -  Mike Howard (mikeh)
                    Treasurer       -  Rhys Cheung (reeser)
                    Secretary       -  Dan Silverstein (dans)
                    Librarian       -  Jon Kuroda (jon)

5/7     Boredcast Message from soda!lwall () at 19:58 ...

        From: kchang@ucsee.eecs.berkeley.edu
        ]  tpc> kchang: is tom going to speak out for you at the meeting today?
        ] Yes, tom is going to announce that he has come out and that
        ] he will admit that we're two hot gay secret lovers

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  UNAUTHENTICATED, UNCENSORED, SSSSSMOKIN' PUBLIC MESSAGES BELOW THIS LINE

5/2     Next CSUA Politburo Meeting - TODAY - May 2nd, 7:00pm - 343 or 337

5/1     -- * --   F    R    E    E    -- * --    F    O    O    D   -- * --
        Tuesday the 4th will be a day free-food-lovers will long remember.
        From 11am - 2pm, CSUA CS BBQ.  Come rub elbows with your professors!
        From 4pm - 6pm, CSUA Startup Jobs Fair.  Over 20 Startups will be
        fighting for tablespace in the Woz Lounge.  There can be only one.
        -- * --   F    R    E    E    -- * --    F    O    O    D   -- * --

4/8     Politburo meetings will be held Mondays at 6:00PM in 337/343 Soda.

3/31    CSUA Alumni - Anyone interested in seeing the House Jacks next
        Thursday?  They're playing at the Red Devil Lounge in the City
        (Polk@Clay).  Please Email me if interested - we'll be meeting at
        9:30pmish.  http://www.housejacks.com  Unlike any other a cappella
        you've probably experienced.  21+  -chaos
        \_ Why would we go to the Red Devil Lounge on Thursday when
           they're playing at the Freight & Salvage in Berkeley on Friday?
                \_ Feel free to attend this show.  I personally can't make
                   it Friday evening, and I thought it might be fun for others
                   to join me at the other show. -chaos

3/29    I just wanted to remind everyone that I am the only total winner
        on http://csua.berkeley.edu's rogue high score list. --maxmcc
        \_ uhh, nethack?

3/23    Sys Admin jobs at fast growing (soon to go public), fun, young
        Berkeley company which is doing good in the universe (I don't have
        a social conscience myself but some of you might).
        See /csua/pub/jobs/scilearn. You can ask me any questions or send
        me your resume.   -crebbs

3/18    does anyone have a snake?  I just caught a mouse and am keeping it in
        a soda can - tpc
        \_ I don't have a snake, but my bent penis is pretty ravenous.
        \_ does anyone have a polar bear? I just caught a tpc and am
           keeping it in a closet.
           \_ does anyone have some clorox and a firehose? i just captured
              some soda users and am keeping them in a basement computer lab.
        \_ just take a rectangular bear and apply a coordinate transform

3/14    Money is a measure of success.  How many waller is a millionaire?
                 \-the key word here is "a" --psb
        \_ I have a million lira
        \_ I think some CSUA geeks joined Inktomi -- they should be

                 \-the key word here is "a" --psb
           pretty well-off now.
                 size is godo for th other person. who gives a damn about
                \_ Norby joined early enough to get in good, but has
                   probably spent a good chunk on his son's medical bills.
                        \_ what's wrong with his son?
                \_ Remember most startups that IPO big don't let insiders
                   sell their stock for quite a while after IPO, so while
                   they may be millionaires now, it may not last until they
                   can sell...
        \_ Money is a measure of dick size.  How many wallers have big dicks?
           \_ I have a big dick, but feel no need to make much money.
           \_ I always assumed it was inversely proportional. Why do you
              need money if you have a big dick?
              \_ contrariwise, who needs a big dick if you have money?
                 size is good for th other person. who gives a damn about
                 the other person anyways?
        \_ I would be if I hadn't given all my spare change to your
           mom at 25 cents a pop... -John
           \_ Sucky, fucky one dollar GI.
                \_ No, that's for the 5-for-$1 special  -John
        \_ How many waller speak better grammar than he do?
           \_ Me do.
           \_ Me speaking gooder english for you.
           \_ FISH
        \_ Puts hand in meat grinder is measure of success.  How number of
           csua-er is one-hand?
           \_ MMMMMMMM FISH
        \_ A million bucks ain't worth what it used to.
        \_ truly the wisdom in the motd rivals the most profound philosophical
           writings.  You should feel privileged every time you login.
           \_ Me do.
              \_remember: do, or do not. there is no lie.
        \_ Translation of all the above BS: No one on Soda who has any money
           is talking.  sameer is my first guess for a Soda millionaire.  -ax
           \_ There are at least 2 (paper) millionaires on Soda.  There are
              many more if you count former CSUA members who are no longer
              on Soda.
                \_ I think the keyword here is 'waller'.
           \_ Ain't he broke now?
         \_ hey, I got a million! (problems) -nick
        \_ Some guy sold me a large bridge for cheap.  That should be
           worth some cash by now, shouldn't it?  -John

3/9     At the CSUA meeting tonight, SoftTouch has ponied up for
        a slew of Little Chicago Pizza.  Come one, come all. -jones

2/23    Hey moutchkine, stop looking at that faggot shit!
adsl-216-100-248-236.dsl.pacbel http://www.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU GET /~safari/ME/ HTTP/1.0

2/22    Name the top 10 most beautiful people on soda
        \_ http://www.csua.berkeley.edu/~sandyl/Junko/html/j10.html
           Sandy is so hot!!!!
        - Josephine  <CS Graduant '97, Last name not to be mentioned>
          \_ well let's see, there's only one josephine on soda, jkoh.
             Unless her web page picture is unusually unflattering,
             you've got to be kidding.
        \_ kkat
        \_ N1CK W3AVER!?!
        \_ Hint: they are not necessarily women.
        \_ those people don't read this file.
             \_ r u a female?
        - Sherry     <As above>
          \_ Presumably sherryg, who looks OK via http://csua/~sherryg/sh1.jpg
             but certainly not impressive.
        \_ These are both very generic and mildly attractive asian chicks
           which is more than good enough for the top 5 MBPoS list.
        \_ my vote:
           - <DEAD>~jean/me.html<DEAD>  But that has a lot to do with a good
        \_ ahm voting for leigh (cynthia@soda) ditto on the jkoh vote.
           1. <DEAD>~jean/me.html<DEAD>  But that has a lot to do with a good
                oh, and dpassage looks just as good in drag.
              ~jean/personal.html.  Gee, so arrogant!
           \_ what dpassage are you talking about?
           \_ Any pics?  Her home page doesn't work.
              \_ nude or clothed?
                 \_ Preferrably nude, but either is fine.
        \_ my votes:
           1. <DEAD>~jean/me.html<DEAD>  But that has a lot to do with a great
              photographer.  Also check out the "Status:" line in
              ~jean/personal.html.  Gee, how arrogant!
           2. <DEAD>~anjie/portfolio/anjie/noir.html<DEAD>
              \_ http://www.csua.berkeley.edu/~anjie/portfolio/images/meth03.jpg
                 is more yummy.  --sky
           3. <DEAD>~fonger<DEAD>
            \_ They are all Asian women!
               \_ Well, you never hear of a Caucasian fetish, do you?
           \_ Dude, hazy photoshop touched up pictures can make most
              girls look fine.  --sky
        \_ Now lets vote for the ugliest people on soda!
           \_ 1. jsl
                \_ 2. whoever voted for jsl

2/19    I would like to wish everyone on Soda a very happy day,
        and a great weekend!
        \_ If you don't see me again on Soda this year, I wish everyone happy
           day, a great weekend, a wonderful month, and a super year.
                \_ And you are...?

2/17    Are there any people w/ wearables at Cal/csua? -sly
        \_ I wear 'em everyday.  Except Sunday.
           \_ what kind?
                \_Are these like GrrrAnimals?

2/9     Can someone suggest a nice place to proposition on Valentine's Day?
        \_ hetero couples propose, gay guys in public bathrooms
           in parks proposition
                                            \_ Do you mean "propose" or
                                               "proposition"?
        I'm thinking about either the parking lot outside Lawrence Hall of
        Science after dark, or Treasure Island facing SF.  Thanks.
        \_ suggestion: die
        \_ there are some good places in nevada, the Bikini islands, and
           Amchitka.
        \_ As far away from Berkeley as possible.  You should have planned
           a lot longer than five days before so that you could plan plane
           trips to Seattle or Hawaii or something like that.  Unless you're
           poor of course which, in which case, you're stuck here.
        \_ I suggest _not_ doing so on V-day unless you -know- she's going to
           say yes.  Don't want to ruin your V-day forever....
        \_ Something indoors is better because cold noses and blown around
           hair isn't romantic.  A fire is good too.  -a girl
           \_ Set your girlfriend's hair on fire.
           \_ How about outdoor but in a car?  No cold noses and blown around
              hair.  Would a girl think it's romantic?
                \_ No.  My girl advisor says, "No.  Cars don't work.  It's
                   trashy."  She goes on to say, "Just take her to your
                   place or borrow a friend's with a fireplace and make her
                   dinner.  He's too late to get reservations at a good
                   restaurant.  He needs to show that he's put effort into
                   it".  I think the idea is to forget the view and do
                   something nice.  She went on and on about it but that's all
                   it comes down to.  Don't be a cheap spaz.
        \_ if you're stuck here, I would suggest The Rose Garden. - tpc
           \_ Not after dark.  I've seen drug deals there at night.  Not
              very romantic.
           \_ Rose Garde in Golden Gate Park?  But there're no roses these
              days.
        \_ Don't!  It's not good to get married.  You lose all your freedom,
           free spending habits, and all the good looking babes on soda, etc.
           \_ Who on soda is a good looking babe?  Any homepage?  Thx.
                \_ This is exactly the reason there aren't any.  Go take a
                   humanities class of some sort and stop looking so desperate
                   and for your own sake as well as God's, TAKE A SHOWER!  No,
                   one shower last Thursday doesn't count.  Moving it up to at
                   least twice a week is a good start.
                   \_ What do humanitites classes and bathing have to do
                      with good looking babes on soda? I bathe every day
                      and took a few English classes, but I've never seen
                      a babe on soda. There weren't any babes in the English
                      classes either, most were commies with too many
                      body piercings.
                        \_ mmm, commies with body piercings...
                           come to butt-head  -humanities h0zer
                      \_ Agreed.  I've been in a lot of humanities classes
                         here and the good looks are hard to find.  I find
                         that the cutest girls are the bio/wanna-be-premed
                         types.
                         \_ And those at Haas too, I think.
                   \_ But I was just trying to conserve water.
                      \_ When the US military wants to stockpile on chemical
                         weapons they simply go to the 2nd floor of Soda.

2/9     Can someone suggest a nice place to proposition on Valentine's Day?
        I'm thinking about either the parking lot outside Lawrence Hall of
        Science after dark, or Treasure Island facing SF.  Thanks.
        \_ there are some good places in nevada, the Bikini islands, and
           Amchitka.
        \_ As far away from Berkeley as possible.  You should have planned
           a lot longer than five days before so that you could plan plane
           trips to Seattle or Hawaii or something like that.  Unless you're
           poor of course which, in which case, you're stuck here.
        \_ I suggest _not_ doing so on V-day unless you -know- she's going to
           say yes.  Don't want to ruin your V-day forever....
        \_ Something indoors is better because cold noses and blown around
           hair isn't romantic.  A fire is good too.  -a girl
           \_ Set your girlfriend's hair on fire.
           \_ How about outdoor but in a car?  No cold noses and blown around
              hair.  Would a girl think it's romantic?
                \_ No.  My girl advisor says, "No.  Cars don't work.  It's
                   trashy."  She goes on to say, "Just take her to your
                   place or borrow a friend's with a fireplace and make her
                   dinner.  He's too late to get reservations at a good
                   restaurant.  He needs to show that he's put effort into
                   it".  I think the idea is to forget the view and do
                   something nice.  She went on and on about it but that's all
                   it comes down to.  Don't be a cheap spaz.
        \_ if you're stuck here, I would suggest The Rose Garden. - tpc
           \_ Not after dark.  I've seen drug deals there at night.  Not
              very romantic.
           \_ Rose Garde in Golden Gate Park?  But there're no roses these
              days.
        \_ Don't!  It's not good to get married.  You lose all your freedom,
           free spending habits, and all the good looking babes on soda, etc.
           \_ Who on soda is a good looking babe?  Any homepage?  Thx.
                \_ This is exactly the reason there aren't any.  Go take a
                   humanities class of some sort and stop looking so desperate
                   and for your own sake as well as God's, TAKE A SHOWER!  No,
                   one shower last Thursday doesn't count.  Moving it up to at
                   least twice a week is a good start.
                   \_ What do humanitites classes and bathing have to do
                      with good looking babes on soda? I bathe every day
                      and took a few English classes, but I've never seen
                      a babe on soda. There weren't any babes in the English
                      classes either, most were commies with too many
                      body piercings.
                   \_ But I was just trying to conserve water.

2/8     What happened to the CSUA programming contest? If you guys
        do it again, can you make it not so hard.
                     \_ that's what she said
        \_ it has languished due to nobody running it. Anyone? -jones

02/01   CSUA Politburo Meeting: This Thurs. Feb. 11th, 7:00pm, 337 Soda

02/01   CSUA Politburo Meeting: This Thurs. Feb. 4th, 5:00pm, 337 Soda

2/2     Berkeley game startup: /csua/pub/jobs/infinite-machine.  --pld
        \_ /csua/pub/jobs/infinite-machine: No such file or directory
         \_ typo city: /csua/pub/jobs/infinte-machine
        \_ typo fixed.  setenv UGRAD

2/16    CSUA GENERAL MEETING: Thurs. Feb. 18, 7:00pm, 306 Soda.
        Special Alumni Presentation on the Computer Gaming Industry!

1/22    Does anyone have a spare SCSI card they would like to donate to
        the CSUA?  mail secretary@csua
        \_ Can you use a VLB scsi card?  how about a nice ISA one? -ERic
                \_ PCI scsi 3 card only.
                  \_ Well aren't we the choosy one.  Beggars horse choosers
                        gift-horse mouth.
                        \_ No.  It would just have been an unused card and
                           they'd still need what they need.  Clue.
           \_ Either ISA or PCI would suffice.  We've not got VLB
              anything. -mikeh
        \_ can I get unsquished for donating a SCSI card?
           \_ no.  you were squished for being an asshole.  donating a piece
              of hardware to get unsquished would create an elitist monetary
              oriented culture where assholes with hardware could be as they
              are without fear of squishiness.  The csua has done ok without
              your scsi and you and would be worse off with both.
                \_ the person who wrote that obviously was not squished.
                   After all, how the hell did he write to the csua motd?
                   \_ On someone else's account.  Obviously.
                \_ Hey, hey, now, let's not get pissy. Politburo would be glad
                   to relieve you of your SCSI card, but we just won't
                   unsquish you. Remember - "We're petty and vindictive, so
                   you don't have to be." -root
                   \_ That's cool.  Take his hardware, but don't unsquish
                      him for it.  The sell-out query was lame though.

1/21    The air supply fans in Soda Hall will be shut down today from
        10:30-2:30 for filter replacement.  If it gets a bit warm in
        any of the rooms, it is more than likely a temporary condition.
        --Anne
        \_ they're shutting off the air!  aaaaack! <gasp>
           \_ it's only engineers. no big loss.
        \_ When I first read this, I thought it was referring to those
                people who like the music of the band named Air Supply.
                I figured someone was pissed at people playing loud Air
                Supply music in Soda Hall
                \_ Seek help.
                        \_ Immediately.

01/20   Next Politburo Meeting - Tues. Jan. 26 1999 - 7:00pm - 337 Soda

1/18    What is the procedure for making a hardware donation to the csua?
        \_ drag it into the office when no one's looking and leave it there
           with no note

01/16   Pre-Semester Politburo meeting TOMORROW (Sunday) 5PM.  337 Soda.
        Subject to change.  Hardware expenditures to be discussed.  -mikeh

1/15    Help. I have this crush on this (non-CSUA) gal and we go out some,
        but never anything more, and I don't know how to tell her how much
        I'm attracted to her, and I'm sure she just thinks I'm a friend. What
        do I do? Should I worry about messing up our friendship?

1/15    Help. I have this crush on this CSUA gal I saw at the CSUA gathering
        [for safety I will not mention her namehere . I'll just call her the
        Hot Hat Gal] Everyday, I have this little plan to wait in front of her
        apartment to say hi, but instead, I end up watching her going in, in
        my car, almost every single day. I'm too shy to call her, well,
        actually, I called her about 8 times but didn't have the gut to say
        anything so I hung up quickly. What should I?
        \_ You need psychiatric help.
        \_ That explains why lila's phone is ringing so much.
        \_ try virtual flowers, lila loves those, especially if they're
                anonymous.

1/13    tpipe installed in /csua/bin for your fun and enjoyment --jon
        \_ what is that?
           \_ read the fucking manpage
              \_ % man tpipe
                 % No manual entry for tpipe
                  You elitist fuck!
                  \_ it's there.  yer manpath has problems.
                     \_ hint: /xx/yy/bin  -> /xx/yy/man
        \_ what's the difference between /csua/bin and /usr/local/bin?

12/31   1998: The Year in review on soda:
                We walled.  We nuked the motd.  We squished kchang.
        \_ Happy new year from eastern time zone.
           \_ I promise to quit smoking and lose weight.
        \_ What hozerish offense got him squished again?
                \_ scrambling the motd repeatedly with a script
                   \_ is it a squishable offense to have a script that
                      fingers soda every minute from http://bmw.autobahn.org?
                        \_ think about it. it depends on whether you're
                           being a hoser, and on any side effects it has,
                           intentional or unintentional. (if there's doubt,
                           ask yourself why, and re-read /csua/adm/doc/*.
                           if you're still confused, mail politburo, and tell
                           them what you'd like to do, and say what you think
                           might be hoserish about it; they're likely to give
                           you a straight answer if you ask.)

12/28   Why do phrases like "the City of Berkeley" and "the State of
        California" refer to the government bodies rather than the city/state
        as a whole?  Does it relate to something in our Constitution?  Thanks.
        \_ It's synecdoche.  --pld
        \_ They're notional places, but when someone says that they do
           something, or that something is done to them, the default
           referent is the government.  "The State imprisoned..." "...sued
           the State" "City assessed taxes..." etc. but "I live in the City
           of Berkeley", "the fastest computer in the whole State of
           California".
           \_ I always thought that when you say state or city then that
              means the state or city.  But when you say State, or City
              then it becomes the government.  E.g. "I live in the city of
              Berkeley, and the state of California."  Besides, it's just
              another way for the government to screw with your heads.
        \_ Putting it another way: how else would you say you got fucked over
           by a particular government entity?  It's just easiest to refer to
           the entity as a person.  Like so, "Berkeley fucked me for selling
               \_ And so in this country now, Corporations (legalized organized
                 crime) have the rights of a person where many people still
                 do not.
           crack to kids last week."  And, "The United States bombed those
           fuckers again".  Or, "The State of California has a primary so
           late that their primary votes are meaningless".
                \_ So what does it mean when we say "People vs. Larry Flynt"
                   \_ Since in theory, the government is of/by/for the people,
                      when the gov. takes action, We The People are taking
                      that action.  It happens in all of our names. So, the
                      Government = The People and vice versa.  We're here to
                      help you.
           \_ No it's not.  It is *metonymy*.
                \_ These two terms are often interchangeable. Metonymy
                   is just a slightly more general description.
           \_ The current state government makes me feel all icky.
                   Odds are that if the original poster knew what synedoche
              Where can I get a synecdouche?
           \_ Mass qtys of motd crap can be replaced by one word.
                \_ But only if pld comes up with it.  -John
                \_ You mean you deleted clear English explanations and left
                   the motd with a single word to look up in a dictionary?
                   Odds are that if the original poster knew what synecdoche
                   meant they wouldn't have asked on the motd, you moron.
                        \_ Better living through a college-level vocabulary!
                           \_ kwyjibo - it's a big dumb bald ape, kwyjibo.
                           \_ Better living through clear communications.
                              If a fourth grader can't understand your
                              writing then you're over writing.
                                \_ "Know your audience," you mean.  (Wouldn't
                                   it make sense to assume a CSUA audience
                                   would have a better vocabulary than your
                                   average group of 4th graders? Or is the
                                   common denominator really that bad?)
                                   \_ No.  It wouldn't make sense.  When I
                                      said 4th grade, I meant it.
                                        \_ And yet you refuse to substantiate it.
                                           \_ Yeah, so what?  Your point? Have
                                              you put me in my place or
                                              something with that comment?  I
                                              suggest Prozac.
 I didn't intend for that to be a putting-in-place sort _/
 of comment, it just came out all wrong. I just wondered
 why you chose to make such a strong statement, and what
 evidence you might have for it.  I know the schools are
 bad, but I hadn't dreamed they were as bad as that
 statement would imply, if I understand you correctly.
        \_ Oh.  Well excuse my nasty reply then.  In any case, yes, even
           Berkeley, the shining gem of the UC system has deteriorated to the
           extent that IMHO it is no longer the place of higher learning and
           thought it once was.  Mostly, it's "gimme my degree, I'm gone".
           For those about to contradict me with "Well, I'm not!", please note
           the word "mostly".  You can look it up.  ;-)
                                        \_ Delete it all you want, twit.
                                           It won't change the fact that if
                                           a college student won't or can't
                                           acquire a decent command of
                                           English vocabulary, he probably
                                           isn't worth talking to.  -John
                              I deleted nothing.  I always judge people _/
                              by their vocabulary.  Because as we know, a big
                              vocabulary means you're a worthwhile person and
                              a lesser vocabulary means you're a worthless
                              scumbag.  I base all my friendships on
                              vocabulary size.  John, I love you but you're
                              not making sense.
                                \_ To clarify:  I was talking about willing-
                                   ness to learn, i.e. use a dictionary,
                                   when someone uses a word you don't know.
                                   I had no idea what "synecdoche" meant, so
                                   I looked it up.  Maybe that is too much
                                   to expect from university students.  -John
                                   \_ Had someone not deleted the rest of the
                                      motd, you would not have needed to look
                                      it up.  Hence my original gripe about
                                      scrubbing the simple English description
                                      that was posted.
                        So how do you account for the success of the  _/
                        New York Times, or of the Wall Street Journal,
                        or even of the San Jose Mercury News?
                        \_ Easily.  They're written for grade school level.
                           I read 2 of those 3 and you'll *never* find words
                           like that in those papers.
        \_ I'm stunned.  Are you people seriously arguing against clear
           writing?  Where did you learn that it's a good idea to use big
           words when explaining something to someone?  Would you be happy
           if your Professors used "college level vocabulary" while explaining
           class concepts?  I think not.
                \_ They had damn well better use "college level vocabulary".
                   I didn't pay tuition to learn academic concepts from
                   "Bow-wow the Dog and the Differential Equation".  No one
                   cares if you talk heap big word, but I'd sure prefer
                   people using descriptive terms if possible.  -John
                   \_ So you want them to smother you with 'big words' you
                      need to look up while trying to learn about Diff.Eqs.?
                      Most of your Profs have sufficiently larger vocabularies
                      that you'd learn lots of new words in class but no new
                      concepts.  While teaching a new concept, it should
                      always be in terms already clearly understood.  I didn't
                      come to Berkeley for an in-class vocabulary lesson.  I
                      came here to learn.  Vocabulary is rote memorization
                      which any 4th grader can master.
        \_ Well, sure, if you are explaining synecdoche to someone whom
           you suspect has never encountered the concept before, you're
           not going to just randomly say "Well, that's synecdoche" and
           walk away. But if you think that, as in the example above,
           it might be effective to point out that calling the government
           of the City of Berkeley "the City of Berkeley" is the same sort
           of literary process as ones that the person may have
           encountered before when reading, e.g., Shakespeare, why not
           make a stab at it? It can save paragraphs and paragraphs of
           typing, and one well-chosen word can often serve your purposes
           better than hundreds of clumsy examples. I personally don't
           think that the tradition of American anti-intellectualism (said
           tradition which gives rise to the epithet of "using big words")
           is one that I want to have any part in upholding. And you're
           actually quite wrong about what I expect from my professors; I
           want them _not_ to talk down to me. (They're often the only ones
           who don't, and I have never found it to be an unrewarding
           experience to make the effort to try to understand them.)
           \_ No one mentioned Shakespear.  Someone simply stated, "It's
              synecdoche" without further explanation.  Whether or not
              further explanation was necessary we can't know unless the
              original poster tells us if that was useful to them, but since
              others had already typed out multi line common English
              descriptions with examples, why not just leave them?  Again, I
              say that IMHO you'd be really pissed off if the Profs all packed
              their lectures with those 'big words' and you spent your lecture
              time flipping through a dictionary instead of learning a new
              classroom concept.  Since when is speaking in common English the
              same as 'talking down' to someone?  There's no correlation
              between 'big words' in the classroom and enhanced learning.
              God, please don't let any of these people teach my children in
              anything other than a 4th grade English class.  Vocabulary is
              little more than rote memorization and I didn't go to Berkeley
              and pay all that tuition and spend all that time to enhance a
              skill I had mastered by the fourth grade.  Oh, btw, I was wrong
              about the newspapers.  They write to an 8th grade level.  :-)
              \_ Shuddup John. You graduated years ago. One of the requirements
                 of old-fart-dom is to not make "back in my day" comments, at
                 least not in front of the children.
                 \_ 1) Not John.
                    2) John didn't graduate so long ago that he can't have a
                       valid opinion on the subject.
                    3) Yes, the writer has graduated but there isn't a single
                       "back in my day" comment in there.  Had I said, "I don't
                       go to Berkeley and pay all that tuition..." the rest
                       would remain factually correct.  The tense of my
                       phrasing doesn't change the facts.  You copped out.
                    4) I would like to say that back in my day, the students
                       wouldn't have made such a ridiculous comment/reply, but
                       their reading comprehension was no better than yours,
                       to everyone's detriment.

12/5    egcs-1.1.1 placed in /csua/tmp/egcs-1.1.1.tar.bz2  --PeterM
          \_what is the big deal about egcs? why use it instead of gcc?

12/4    CSUA Alum party of 12/2 pics are up at:
        http://www.csua.berkeley.edu/~eric -eric
        \_ Frightening, yet somehow fascinating.

12/1    Like, the CSUA Alumni gathering was the largest collection of
        geeks I had seen since...well...I graduated.

12/1    CSUA ALUMNI! Come to the CSUA General Meeting on December 2 at 5:30
        pm in 306 Soda. There will be a general reunion, and foodP and
        drinkP afterward. If you arrive late, just check the motd or wall to
        learn where we are.

11/26   Can anyone recommend any good OpenGL books (no NT/95 specific books
        please).  I've already looked at /csua/pub/cs-books.
        \_ the Red and Blue Books are pretty good.  ASUC bookstore might
        have them since cs184 uses them. --jon
           \_ Does any have the actual titles for these books?
        \_ _opengl programming for the x window systems_

11/25   CSUA ALUMNI! Come to the CSUA General Meeting on December 2!
        There will be a general reunion, and foodP and drinkP afterward.
        Come to where the elite meet for NP-complete!
        \_ someone should keep extra good minutes for those of us alumni
           living too far away to attend - seidl

11/23   I heard a rumor that girls exist on soda.  Is this true?
        \_ Soda the machine or soda the building?  I don't think there are
           any females existing on the roof of the building nor sitting atop
           the soda cpu chassis.  Therefore, no.

11/19   All files in /csua/pub/jobs have been made world-accessible -brg

11/4    Shameless search for SAs, see /csua/pub/jobs/ISN.  -andrewh
        \_ i was wondering when the home shopping network was going online.

11/2    nwrite 1.9.3 beta installed for testing as /csua/bin/nwrite
        Source available from ftp.csua:/pub/nwrite/ - Bugs to alanc
        Changes from 1.9.2 mainly involve dealing with users who log
        out while you're writing to them.
        \_ and the loss of the -a option
        \_ and the loss of the -a optio
                        IT SAYS ABOVE MORON
                        \_ A bug that is now fixed because someone
                \_ that would be a bug that YOU SHOULD MAIL ABOUT AS
                        IT SAYS ABOVE MORO
                        \_ A bug that is now fixed because someon
                                did mail me.  -alan

10/31   Some guy wants someone to work on some SGI IRIX machines.
        /csua/pub/jobs/logon-networking   (yes, it's that cheezy)
        -brg

10/31   CSUA nth Annual Halloween PartyP ?
        \_ were there ever any others than the one at marcos & the one at
                agee's?

10/28   Two contract pos'ns in L.A.  Learning Tree.  DHTML.
        /csua/pub/jobs/LearningTree -jctwu

10/26   Any recommendations for free, POP3-accessible e-mail?
        \_ http://csua.berkeley.edu, <DEAD>uclink.berkeley.edu<DEAD>, http://ocf.berkeley.edu
        \_ http://www.usa.net but no SMTP (outgoing)
        \_ http://www.hotmail.com
           \_ You sure about this? I couldn't find any info about a POP3
              server for Hotmail on their Web site. -slow
        \_ http://members.hotbot.com

10/25   SGI on campus... /csua/pub/recruiting/sgi   -brg
                \_ permissions are wrong - can't be read!
        \_ sorry, I goofed.
        252 soda% ls -l /csua/pub/recruiting/sgi
        -rw-r--r--  1 brg  csua  7050 Oct 25 18:31 /csua/pub/recruiting/sgi
                \why dont you just fix it and delete this dialog
        \_ See the world!  Learn NT!
           \_ i wouldn't touch 95/98/NT with a ten foot pole.
                \_ Then SGI isn't for you.

10/20   Thanks  to those who put soda  back on-line.
        \_ although down for an entire weekend that was some pretty good
           uptime.  How long was that one?
        \_ what exactly happened anyway?
            \_ soda go foom.
                \_ /home was fruitful and multiplied (or divided, depending
                \_ /home was multiple and fruitified (or divided, depending
                        on your point of view)
         \_ How many day's worth of mail; if any, bounced ?
            \_ Most likely not any, because scotch is a mail exchanger for
               soda, and probably wouldn't have bounced any mail during that
               time.
        \_ Thanks to those who took soda offline so I had to go to the beach.

10/20   What's our CSUA's mail server?  Is it <DEAD>scotch.berkeley.edu<DEAD>?
        \_ No. http://csua.berkeley.edu
        \_ than why did someone say our mail was buffered on scotch?
                \_ It is when soda goes down.  Scotch is the backup, not
                   the primary.  Run 'host http://csua.berkeley.edu' and notice
                   scotch has the larger priority number (mail servers are
                   tried from lowest to highest priorities)
        \_ side question: which is it really? (yes i know all 3 work)
                http://csua.berkeley.edu
                http://soda.berkeley.edu
                http://soda.csua.berkeley.edu
                \_ http://soda.csua.berkeley.edu and http://csua.berkeley.edu will stick
                   around.  csua could theoretically be changed to point to a
                   different machine if soda ceased to be the csua's primary
                   hoser hangout.  http://soda.berkeley.edu was supposed to go away
                   after we got the csua domain, but it hasn't yet for reasons
                   unknown to me.
                   \_ Tradition.  I want "ucbvax.berkeley.edu"!
                \_ It doesn't matter - they are all the same machine.
                   \_ I guess my question is, will there always be all
                      the multiple domain names for 128.32.43.52?
                        \_ soda.b.e might go away some day, but the
                           csua controls the others so they'll be here
                           for a long time
                \_ http://dr-pepper.csua.berkeley.edu
                   \_ how about <DEAD>odwalla.csua.berkeley.edu<DEAD>
                      \_ <DEAD>select.csua.berkeley.edu<DEAD> for the truly poor ...
                         \_ I'm sorry, but noone should ever be this poor
                          \_ hey I like select root beer
                         \_ We should have accept.csua, send.csua, open.csua,
                            creat.csua...
                        \_ puddle-water.csua.berkeley for  the destitute

10/18   Museum Day:  Sunday, from 11am to 5pm.  For every student that goes
        to the Berkeley Art Museum and tells them that the CSUA sent them,
        $5 will be donated to our donut-fund.  Please go!  -jones

10/3    Perhaps someone would like to ensure that postings in
        /csua/pub/recruiting are at least readable by group csua?
        \_
        drwxrwxr-x  2 jon  politbur  512 Oct  3 20:12 /csua/pub/recruiting
        total 68
        -rw-r--r--  1 jones  csua  3130 Sep 24 17:00 andersen
        -rw-r--r--  1 jones  csua  1731 Sep 24 18:05 csa
        -rw-r--r--  1 jones  csua  6284 Sep 24 16:56 deloitte
        -rw-r--r--  1 jones  csua  4700 Sep 24 16:50 fair-ai
        -rw-r--r--  1 jones  csua  4162 Sep 24 16:55 intel
        -rw-r--r--  1 jones  csua  2272 Sep 24 16:49 pg&e
        -rw-r--r--  1 jones  csua  3600 Oct  3 20:11 providian
        -rw-r--r--  1 jones  csua  3549 Sep 24 16:55 sapient
        Your foo is weak, you must train harder.

09/13   The CSUA Forum on the L&S CS Major will be in 10 Evans, 5pm, Oct. 7th
        To submit a question, please mail it to <forum-questions@csua>.
        http://www.csua.berkeley.edu/panel.html
        --brg (10/3 -jones)

10/1    How do you change the return address of a ping packet?  I want to
        flood ping a spammer.
        \_ read the src herman
        \_ If you don't know what you're doing, you'll get caught, possibly
           get sued, and line their pockets.  Find a way to fight them that
           lies within the scope of your skills.  Also, should someone explain
           to you how to do what you want or (heaven forbid) you figure it
           out on your own, do _not_ do this from soda.  We will get in trouble,
           you will get squished.
           \_ The man speaks truth. We'll be a-watching. --root
        \_ it's simple, just use the 'remote manipulation' command, 'rm'. it
           has the nifty options -r '(r)ewrite address' and -f '(f)orge source'.
           and as an added bonus you can give '*' as the source address, which
           will make the packets untraceable. (it's like putting '*' in the
           shadow password file so that people can't read your password.)

9/28    I need a friend.  /csua/pub/housing/ABATTOIR - danh
        \_ I already have lots of friends.  now i need a roommate. - danh

9/25    Today's edition of Famous People Sorried on the CSUA:
  wjolitz:*:2265:100:William F. Jolitz:/home/w/wjolitz:/csua/adm/bin/sorry
        \_ How did that happen?
                \_ years ago
                   \_ How did that happen?
                        \_ None of your business.
        grep sorry /etc/passwd | wc -l
             188
        \_That's a lot of people to be squished. What did they do?
                \_ Asked too many stupid questions invading other's privacy.
                   (In other words: NONE OF YOUR FUCKING NOSY BUSINESS.)

9/25    I need a roommate.  /csua/pub/housing/ABATTOIR.  - danh

9/25    I also need a roommate. /csua/pub/housing/Campbell_CA*.  -andrewh

9/25    I need a roommate.  /csua/pub/ABATTOIR.  - danh

09/24   Corporate spam now available in /csua/pub/recruiting BUT YOU CAN'T
        READ IT BECAUSE IT'S NAZIED!  BWAHAHAAAAA!
        \_you're just not 31it3!@#!
        \_ They only want people who can crack root and read it.  -John

09/24   Corporate spam now available in /csua/pub/recruiting

9/17    The CSUA is now accepting donations for the "Stuff ASUC won't pay for"
        Fund (donut runs, halloween parties, end-of-semester beer bashes) and
        the KChang Illegal Anti-Defense Fund.  Send your checks now!
        \_ Where to send and who to make the checks out to?
                \_ Tom Chen-Ming Lee
                   Way out in the boonies, Minnesota 01234
                        \_ all right, get off my arse right now...yah?
                           \_ in New York, everyone says "yeh"
                \_ Jon Wasabi Koroda
                   343 Soduh Hell

9/16    Found: one object of questionable value, in soda hall. Would
        the owner please make themselves known.
        \_ Found: one owner of questionable value, in soda hall. Would
           the object please make itself known.
           \_ Found: one president of questionable values.  Would the voters
              please admit they elected him anyway.

9/15    new job posting(s) available.  please see /csua/pub/jobs/

09/13   The CSUA is sponsoring a Forum on the L&S CS Major, and is
        soliciting questions from members of the community.  If you would
        like to submit a question, please mail it to <forum-questions@csua>.
         --brg

09/08   Next CSUA General Meeting:  Mon. Sept. 14th.   5:30pm
                                    337 Soda Hall               -Mikeh

09/08   Next Politburo Meeting:  Wed. Sept. 9th.  5:30pm.  337 Soda.  -Mikeh

09/08   Next CSUA General Meeting:  Mon. Sept. 14th.  Time/Place TBA. -Mikeh

9/4     egcs-1.1b.tar.bz2 placed in /csua/tmp for your convenience.
        bzip2-0.1pl2.tar.gz is also there.  --PeterM
        \_ who cares??
           \_ you don't deserve an account on soda.  leave.  hoser

9/2     Anyone up for Ice Skating tomorrow (thursday) evening?  If so, meet at
        Berkeley Iceland at ~7:30.  Open hours are from 7:30-10:30.
        Price (with rental) is $5.00 with student ID, $7.50 without.
                -nweaver
        \_  whats the occasion?
            \_ She did yermom and yersis and wants to share his experiences
        \_ I'd like to see a TV ad for Geeks on Ice.
                \-give blood, play broomball. --psb
                   \_ I gave blood and went running.  Close enough? -PeterM
        \_ You all missed out.  2 soda people, 4 non-soda people,
           3 male, 3 female.  --PeterM
                \_ Interesting way of counting.  --alawrenc
           \_ so, 1 non-soda male?
                \_ By definition, there are no "soda females".
                        \_ Being a soda female, I beg to differ.
                           \_ You can beg.  It won't change cold hard reality.
                   \_ Soda females, yes. Soda babes, no.
                        \_ Take some basic anatomy classes and try again.
                           Thank you for playing.
                                \_ last time i checked, i was pretty
                                   darned female...  -lila
                                   \_ hang on a minute, let *me* check...
                                        \_ I've checked.  "She" is wrong.

08/19   Next Politburo Meeting: Tue., Aug. 25th, 1998, 5:30 PM, 337 Soda. -Mikeh

08/25   If you run PINE and your email has all mysteriously vanished, run
        "/csua/bin/fixmail". -Brian

08/19   Next Politburo Meeting:  Tuesday, August 25th, 1998.
        5:30pm.  337 Soda.  -Mikeh

07/07   New soda mail relay policy! For details: /csua/adm/doc/mail-relay

07/28   Next politburo meeting scheduled for 6:00PM, Monday August 3rd
        in the 3rd floor lounge.

7/23    Someone who knows soda guys submit a HappyPoll on who is the Sexyest!
        \_ ~chris/pub/sexy
                \_ chris certainly knows the most soda guys.
        \_ You guys, this is really old.  --chris

                        Welcome to Soda

7/19    /csua/pub/jobs/Lloyd-Ritter-kernel -- schoen
        \_ I dunno, hacking at random doesn't sound very fun.
           \_ "Random" because I don't know the company or what the job
              entails. -- schoen

7/20  Which device should  be cared with?
        \_ seano's  oppressive penis
        \_ the CSUA bat
        \_ the campanile (Go Bears!)

7/20    2BR 1.5 BA 2-story apt.  $800/mo.  avail. Sept 1.
        (see /csua/pub/housing/CV.txt for more info) -sony

7/20    fatsex deleted for lack of conent.
        \_it had plenty of content!
          \_ quantity != quality

        \_ seano's white male oppressive penis
        \_ The CSUA bat
        \_ The Campanile (Go Bears!)

7/15    kchang's password grabbing crap deleted.
        \_ if he's doing password grabbing then he should be squished.
          \_ squished like that poor guy who got caught under yer fat momma

07/07   At midnight, soda will stop relaying outgoing mail from hosts that
        are not on the Berkeley network, except UUCP hosts, and will stop
        accepting incoming mail destined for non-CSUA hosts or hosts not
        MX'd via soda.

        If you are using soda as your SMTP server, and you are not on the
        Berkeley net, you will have to start using your ISP's mail server
        instead. Comments to root.

6/30    I think that if someone's thinking (gak) about throwing away
        Soda Mk. IV, it would be a worthy end for it if someone were
        to get a truck and dispose of it like Mogul and I and someone
        else did with that other big huge Sequent full of 286s way
        back when;  take it to the same dump and beat the bejesus
        out of it with the CSUA bat.  Seems to me to be a worthy,
        dignified end;  far better than having it languish somewhere
        as a really fancy flowerpot or refrigerator, although putting
        it in the office, bolting a fridge into it, and keeping that
        stocked with ASUC-supplied beer would be pretty cool.  -John
        \- I thougt donating it to SRL and letting them smash it with
           GIANT ROBOTS was the plan?
           \_ yesh yesh! THE HAND O GOD vs The SEQUENT
           \_ How long d'ya think that old sequent could stand up to
              a continuous barrage from SRL's SODA CANNON of DOOM!
              \_ What a poetic end to a former soda. Blasted to bits by
                 soda cans.
              sledgehammer.  DOOSH!!
           \_ I was going to take it to srl and fill it with explosives
              for the show, but the fire department didn't like that idea.
                -raytrace
        \_ Dignified, maybe, but I'll admit I felt a little foolish when we
           failed to make even the slightest dent in the old machine's case,
           even with the Mighty CSUA Bat.  SEQUENT: BUILT FORD TOUGH. -mogul
           \_ Well if I get to haul it away to the junkyard, I will use my
              sledgehammer.  DOOSH!!  -ERic
        \_ Can we afford to ship it to Switzerland to let Rev. Solomon run
                over it with his tank?
            \_ Last I heard, his holiness wasn't going to be getting
                his tank after all.

06/23   CSUA Summer Meeting, this Thursday the 25th of June at 7:30PM, at
        Barney's Gourmet Hamburgers, 1600 Shattuck Ave., Berkeley. --brg

05/13   The Politburo (Su/Fa'98) are: jones (Pres), brg (VP), jon (treas),
        mikeh (sec'y), dbushong (lib).

06/04   Scotch is now running BIND ver. 8.1.2; if you experience name-lookup
        problems from CSUA machines, please e-mail "hostmaster@csua". --brg

5/21  Why doesn't the csua get a UTS?
        \_ Because we have no idea what a UTS is?  Care to explain?
           \_ Maybe a UPS?

05/13   Congratulations to the new Politburo for Summer and Fall semesters:
        The President: Devin Jones (jones), Vice President: Brian Gaeke (brg)
        The Treasurer: Jon Kuroda  (jon),  The Secretary: Mike Howard (mikeh)
                   The Librarian: David Bushong (dbushong)

5/14    Summer job with a startup in Berkeley: Unix, Java, Perl.
        /csua/pub/jobs/RodaGroup - schoen

05/13  Congratulations to the new Politburo, for Summer and Fall semesters 1998:
       The President, Devin Jones (jones) The Vice President, Brian Gaeke (brg)
       The Treasurer, Jon Kuroda  (jon)  The Secretary, Mike Howard      (mikeh)
                   The Librarian, David Bushong (dbushong)

5/12    As long as all these new jobs are getting announced in /csua/pub/jobs,
        a small request for people to please CLEAN OUT all the old jobs that
        are no longer relevant.  A number of postings there are owned by root
        because they were moved around.  Those responsible for them, please
        let me know if they are still relevant or can be deleted.       -lila
        \_ Princess Lila made a demand!  All must comply.
          \_ "small request".
          \_ Ohhh. Ahh.

5/8     earn 25 bucks participating in CS research experiment.
        ~jon/pub/25bucks
        \_ I would have something to say about this thread but I took my
           prozac today.
        \_ I usually cost significantly more than 25 bucks.
          \_ No matter how you disguise it, its still illegal in this state.
                \_ So is smoking pot for non-medical uses but that never
                   stopped anyone.  So is driving under the influence.  So
                   is drinking alcohol under 21.  So is sex under 18.  So
                   are a whole bunch of other vices.  Your point is what?
                  \_ So legalize it!  If its a legal occupation, women can
                     sue if some guy attempts to kill her.  Morality is
                     another question...
                  \_ Legalize everything!  What kinda conservative uptight
                     police state are we living in anyway.  Big Brother is
                     ALWAYS watching.  Clipper Chips are in everything we own,
                     even yer calculator is tapped.  - CSUA Anarchist
                     \_ So if I multiply two subversive numbers, the government
                        will find out?  - another CSUA anarchist
                \_ it's only illegal if you get caught.
                  \_ it's only punishable if you get caught, it's still
                     illegal.  -CSUA Legal Assistance
                     \_ /etc/motd for CSUA Student Advocate!
                   \_it's only punishable if it's illegal.
                     \_ Ill Eagle - Some Government Dude
                     \_ The idea is that you break the law (commit an illegal
                        act) and the consequence is punishment.  What are you
                        trying to get at?
                        \_ doosh

05/09   Dont forget the CSUA general meeting next wednesday at 5:30.
        Elections!
        \_ Make that 6:30 pm jon

5/6     what happened to /usr/local/csua/jobs/ ?
        \_ Look two lines up.

5/4     So is our email address
        ddd@soda
        ddd@csua
        ddd@soda.csua
        which one is the 'official' one?
        \_ officially we are at either csua or soda.csua (csua points
           to soda.csua).  soda was supposed to go away long ago, but
           no one seems to have gotten around to purging it yet.
                \_ I hope no one gets around to it soon.  I have told too
                   many people to just write to username@soda.
                   \_ you're an idiot.
                        \_ Yes, nerd. Obviously, like.
                          \_ Isn't calling someone a nerd on the MOTD a bit
                             hypocritical?

05/04   Soda has been dumped.  fyi, /home took three 90m tapes.
                \_ What becomes of the broken hearted? --aaron
        We are now running 2.2.6 as well.  Some of the tty hacks
        done to bring soda to >256 ttys are being redone. --jon

5/1     /- Join the CSUA Communist Party. Coders of the World Unite! -politburo
                \_ bh is the ultimate commie.
                \_ Long Live the CSUA Revolutionary International!

4/28    Sr. Engineering Aide position with Prof Neureuther in TCAD research
        $11.59/hr http://cuervo.eecs.berkeley.edu/Volcano
        /csua/pub/jobs/tcad
        \_ Too little.

4/27    Berkeley Systems/Bezerk is looking for a Unix/NT admin.
        see /csua/pub/jobs/BerkSys      --jwang

04/26   CSUA General Meeting, 306 Soda, Wednesday April 29, 5:30 PM. --brg

04/26   Soda will be down for dumps from 12:00 noon Sunday, May 3rd, 1998.
        We are estimating that it should be back up again by
        Mon May  4 00:00:00 PDT 1998, barring complications. (Yes,
        that's 12 hours. This isn't old soda anymore.) --brg

4/20    If you want to work for ATDP helping to teach Java, HTML, and
        JavaScript to high-school kids, look at /csua/pub/jobs/ATDP.Su98
        --brg

4/16    Looking for a web summer intern for Siebel Systems. Email shieh and
        you can find the job desc at /csua/pub/jobs/siebel/. Thanks.

4/16    Job setting up a PC near Claremont Hotel.  /csua/pub/jobs/PC-setup
        \_ Too easy. I rather program mission critical apps, design the newest
           and the latest gadget, & work on super-duper workstation. I'm from
           Berkeley for heaven's sake!!!
           Berkeley for heaven's sake!!!  I don't want to do anything that a
           high school kid or a community college kid can do.
           \_ got news,  bub:  many of those jobs are being done already
             by community college (or maybe state college ) kids :)

4/14    There was a CSUA election where a female candidate claimed
        that guys were voting with their dicks.  Does anyone remember
        the details?
        \_ That was almost certainly rachel..  don't remember much else
           \_ nope
           \_ It was Rachel in private.  VP doesn't need that many extra
              dicks/votes to win.
         \_ that was probably Alissa Pritchard vs. Amee election. And if
            anyone was doing anything with their dick, it was Amee.
            \_ i like alissa.  Tall... Blond... Cute... Smart.  :-)  Where
               has she been lately??? -horny CSUA guy
                \_ as far away from you as possible

4/10    ASUC is an anagram for CSUA. The top ten similarities between the
        two are...
        10. Top 10 lists are really stupid.
         9. Each organization contains innumerable people who think that
            Scott Bonds is a twink.
         8. Neither organization is making money off of the ASUC store.

04/06   CSUA Barbecue. Friday 10 April. Dip your hands in raw meat.
        (or mushrooms, if you are a vegetarian.) --brg

3/24    H3LP 0UT 4 F3LL0W H4C\<UR!1!!!
        /csua/pub/jobs/M1TN1C\<

3/18    Possible CSUA T-Shirt back design in
        ~geordan/pub/graphics/shirt-back.gif.
        \_ 404.  Correct URL is ~geordan/pub/image/shirt-back.gif  -mel
          \_mel you're such a twerp.  Why didn't you just correct the URL?
            Did you have to give the second URL and sign it so we all know
            how smart you are?
          \_ URL?
        \_ gif2ascii output fuzzy.  Try putting it on your homepage

3/8     Would someone please list all the available women on
        soda? - desperate
        \_ That's beyond desperate.
        \_ Would someone please list any soda guy worth dating? --female
           \_ Me

3/6     Where in Berkeley can I dump large items without having to pay?
        \_ I assume you mean 'legally'
                \_ I don't care if it's legal as long as I don't have to pay.
                   This includes fines of course, so go from there.
        \_ When in Berkeley, do as the Berkeleyans do. So anywhere around
           the Telegraph area should be fine.
        \_ the CSUA office
        \_ [serious ideas deleted].  When they rounded up the fuckin'
           self-centered freeloaders, I didn't speak up because I wasn't
           a fuckin' self-centered freeloader.  And because they deserved it.

03/05   As some of you may have noticed, ownerships in /csua/tmp were
        messed up.  I have fixed the ownership of as many files as
        possible, but there are some that I have no idea to whom
        they belong; if your file is one of them, prove it, and let
        me know. --Jon

3/05    I would like to vote for a "no porn" policy on the CSUA web site.
        The situation is simply getting too ridiculous;  not to even mention
        that it may be violating some UCB policy.  I propose that we all
        porn pages off to OCF if they can host them and leave CSUA
        to be used for more important things.  THank YOu.
        -A very concerned CSUA member/parent
        \_ Show us what UCB policy is being violated, or for that matter
           what CSUA policy.  And define "porn."  -tom
        \_ I'm not your kids' parent.  Deal with it.  It doesn't take a
           village to raise a child.  It takes parents.  Real parents.  You
           seriously believe that removing art from the CSUA's web site will
           keep Johnny from seeing nekkig girlz on the web?
        \_ If you want this done, propose it at the next politburo
           meeting.  If enough members vote for it, it will become
           the law.
           \_ Yep, and who gets squicked when non-porn gets removed or you
              fail to police "real" porn and someone's kid sees it?  Let it
              be.
        \_ No such UCB policy exists.  In fact, this is a really really bad
           idea because now you're trying to decide what's porn and not and
           the "I can't define it, but I know what it is when I see it" method
           doesn't hold water.  Also, you're talking about possible
           infringement of first amendment rights.  I *strongly* suggest the
           CSUA ignores all the porn.  If you want a disk space policy, that's
           a different matter, but you're looking for trouble when you filter
           by content.  At my site we don't do *any* sort of anything like
           this.  Until there's a serious legal problem, just leave it alone.
           I suggest this concerned parent watch what their kids are doing on
           the computer.  It is your responsibility to take care of your kids,
           not the CSUA's or any other computer organisation.  Try NetNanny or
           something if it bothers you so much.  -A very concerned member
        \_ Look, I'm as much in favor of a good yank as the next guy, maybe
           even more, but I think a no porn policy might be good.  It's not an
           infringement of the first amendment, any more than, say, the
           Chronicle refusing to print porn is.  It's honestly mostly a matter
           of bandwidth - the CSUA has had a lot of problems with porn getting
           too many hits, and there's no reason to believe that'll stop.  As
                \_ So the problem is number of hits, not that it's porn.
                   Therefore, censorship solves the wrong problem and the
                   correct solution is either per-user hit limits or hacking
                   the httpd/kernel to assign scheduling tickets for user pages
                   out of the user's pool so if one user gets lots of hits it
                   only hoses them.     -alanc-
           far as what's porn and what isn't, that's a hard decision
           sometimes;es, but it's fairly reasonable to say that it can be
           judged on a case-by-case basis (like everyothing else in this
             \_ Really?  You plan to personally view all 5000 gifs I intend
                to make available on a weekly rotating basis?
           crazy, shiftless world).  Or, another way of doing it is saying
           that any content that generates a certain level of bandwidth
           should require approval beforehand.  The question isn't whether
             \_ One man's porn is another man's art.  Are we using my
                standards or yours?  I'm surprised to see such right wing
                control oriented fascism coming from you, Ted.  Where have
                the barefoot days gone?
           porn is bad - it's whether CSUA should shell out the bucks to host
           it.  -thepro
                \_ The problem is CSUA bucks come via mandatory student fees
                        and are therefore bound by all sorts of University
                        & ASUC regulations.  If the CSUA decides to exercise
                        editorial control over web pages it causes many more
                        problems than not doing so.  (Not that the CSUA spends
                        any bucks on web serving - the machine was donated and
                        the net is paid for by the University.)
                        \_ THANK YOU!  This is the point I failed to make
                           earlier.  -first to say leave it alone.
        \_ Oh pull that dildo out of your ass and shut the fuck up.  If
           keep your kid from viewing porn if it bothers you.  Don't
           make the rest of the world do your work for you. -aspo
        \_ Bitch, shut the fuck up.  You stole my man bitch, I'm taking
           you on Springer.  Bitch!!!

02/15   CSUA General Meeting March 4, 5pm, 405 Soda Hall

2/26    Why is it necessary that i do stty -nostop on Soda? How do I make it
        automatically? (ie. putting in .cshrc doesn't work)
        \_ putting it in .cshrc works fine for everyone else.  You'll have to
                give us more info (like your login name so we can look at your
                .cshrc) if you want us to tell you why it doesn't work for you.
        \_ Because you have been tried, and found sorely wanting.
                \_ EXECUTE HIM!  DEATH!  DEATH!
             \_ where can i get a copy of a .cshrc on soda?

2/21 [geek seeks new tshirt. wore out old one stalking csua females]

02/15   CSUA General Meeting March 5, 5pm, Place TBA

02/17   Illegal ads from swing deleted.  Using CSUA resources for personal
        or commercial profit is verboten.

02/08   Web files on scotch have been moved to soda.  They are still
        accessible for the moment at /www.  Please, within the next week,
        run /csua/bin/webmove to move the files into your home directory.
        After a week, we will move the remaining ones automatically. --dbushong

2/6     The roguelike game omega has been installed in /csua/bin for your
        enjoyment.  I hacked in a ".omega" extension for savefiles and turned
        setuid back on.  Please report bugs to me.  -- cm1ee