10/18	For the memory-challenged individual below, who stated that there were
 	no Davis/recall/Ah-nold flamewars on the motd:
        http://csua.com/?q=recall+davis
	http://csua.com/?q=recall+arnold
	... total 4 lines ...

9/11	"Gov. Gray Davis' administration says it is unlikely to approve plans
	for substantial reductions to the state payroll until the middle of
	next month. That makes it likely that the impact of the cuts -- in
	thousands of layoffs and in reduced state services -- won't become
	public until after the Oct. 7 recall election."
	http://www.sacbee.com/content/politics/ca/budget/story/7393104p-8336582c.html
	\_ Davis is a master at hiding bad news until after the election,
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	   which a huge part of why he's up for recall now.  Look, its not
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	   consequenses of his policies.  Thank goodness for the Recall!
	... total 10 lines ...

9/29    This has probably been covered already, but what is the prevailing
        rationale, if any, on the part of recall proponents as to why this
        recall is merited? Considering that we anyway have elections every
        4 years, Davis won, and the stuff ppl complain about is no different
        than what they complained about before the election? And does anyone
        doubt that if he gets recalled, the replacement will also get recalled?
	\_ no, you're right, it's dumb, it sucks that the rest of
	   us have to suffer due to a quirk in the law, and it sucks
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	   \_ a quirk in the law?  the recall isn't a technicality.
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	   \_ so when democrats decide to try to recall a republican govorner
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		 for the recall.  If it was only politics, that wouldn't be the
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	      \_ You *might* buy enough signatures to start a recall against
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		 sigs to start a recall with step 2 where we all get to vote.
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	   just icing on the recall cake.  Davis is dead.  Unless someone gets
	... total 34 lines ...

9/8     I guess it's too late now, but why didn't the republican party
        have primary to select someone to go up against davis before
	the real election to save themselves and everyone else from
	some of this circus?
	\_ Because the recall doesn't work that way.
	\_ As the above said, this isn't a standard election.  There's no
	   primary, there's no cut round, no parties, no nothing.  Everyone
	   with 65 names and $3500 gets the same shot at it all at once as
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	   per the recall laws.
	... total 9 lines ...

10/7	http://www.recallarnold.us/
	Collecting links to all the sites popping up all over the place
	that are starting to push for The Next Logical Step. -alexf
	\_ It would be political suicide for the Democrats to start a recall
	   on Arnold.  Not only would it be difficult to get enough signatures,
	   but it would *never* pass the general vote and the party would be
	   *brutally* punished in 2004.  As a conservative I can only hope that
	   the leftist go for it.  They might as well just shoot themselves now
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	   motion.  *PLEASE* try to recall Arnold.  I'd love to see the Dem
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	\_ The recall is only a mockery of the political process when
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		   recall loophole for good (that is, raise the 12% barrier
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			 election, Gray Davis would have been able to run.
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			    Yes on recall was a Yes on Arnold.  Gray was
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			\_ dumb fuck, a no on recall is a vote for Davis
	... total 48 lines ...

10/1    Let's say Davis gets recalled and some republican, presumabley Arnie,
        gets elected.  Then some democrates get together and decide to have
	a recall in a couple months.  they succeed, beating arnie with some
	wildly popular democrat celebrity.  This pisses off the republicans,
	who then stage another recall and take over with an even more amazing
	republican celebrity, etc. etc. etc.  when does it stop?  doesn't
	anyone see this as a bad direction to go in, even if you hate davis
	and happen to like one of the potential replacements?  In civilised
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	   recall.  It simply won't pass.  Arnold doesn't have a lengthy and
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	\_ You make it sound like its easy to get a recall election ceritifed.
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8/6     Hey, so now that this recall mess is going on, where is Mr. "We Are
        A Republic, NOT a Democracy"?  You were ALWAYS on the motd before,
        but you are suspiciously silent of late.  Too busy filing your
        candidacy papers?
	\_ the soviet union was a republic.  u.s.a is a democrisy..
        \_ It's still a republic.  Do you *really* need a 3rd grade level
           lesson in the difference?  Don't make me spank you.
	\_ The U.S. is both a republic and a democracy, if you look at
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	      exactly about the recall are you complaining about?  The fact
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                 with this recall?
	... total 25 lines ...

10/3    Does McClintock have a chance now?  I think (hope) Davis will still
        be recalled.  Perhaps the Democrat-controlled legislature will
        prevent any wacky pro-life or tax cuts for the rich moves.  Does
	anyone think there will be reliable poll data released before
	Tuesday?
	\_ No because the people have seen through the LA Times' sleazy
	   last second hatchet job.  I'm still voting for Tom anyway.
	\_ Because of Arnold's confession yesterday (I'm sorry I got caught) I
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	   Davis-sympathizers and media, too.
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	   I am still voting for the recall, but was trying to decide
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		 recall, I don't think CA is better off with any these
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		 \_ Actually, while I'm against the recall on principle,
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		    liberal candidate.  If another recall would make him
	... total 45 lines ...

10/5	I've already voted no on the recall, but I'm immensely annoyed with
	Davis' need to attack Ahnuld. It's just lame political strategy
	and allows Ahnuld to claim victim status-- precisely the same way
	AlGore gave away his lead by appearing to bully his weaker, less
	effective opponent.  When are the Dems going to figure out that
	rabid attacks only make you look rabid?
	\_ Never.  That's what makes them Dems.  They're rabid.  The more rabid
	   they are the better they do in Dem polls and higher they clime in
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	   the party.  It feeds on itself.  As far as Davis goes, why does it
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	   election would do the same in this one?  You think Davis has
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	   PoS he always was, thus the recall's success.
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9/14    http://moveon.org/pac/recall/register/
        Absentee ballot registration for the October special election.
        There will be far fewer polls open than you're used to, so signing
        up for a mail-in vote is a Good Thing.  Applications must be rec'd
        by September 30. -- mjm
        \_ yeah, it's from an unbiased site.
		\_ Who cares.  Everyone with an axe to grind registers
		   absentee voters.  That doesn't mean you are obliged to
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              to get my No on Davis, Yes on Arnold forms through them.  It's
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              \_ The recall only needs a simple majority.  But if the recall
	... total 50 lines ...

8/3	Dems attacking Davis in public.  Bye Davis.  We'll hardly miss you.
http://www.sacbee.com/content/politics/recall/story/7141249p-8088520c.html
        \_ this is pathetic.  if the democrats had half a testicle between
	   their entire party, they'd all be calling for davis to step down.
	   i'm not impressed.
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11/15	California budget head calls deficit 'staggering'
	http://www.forbes.com/newswire/2003/11/15/rtr1149508.html
	Recall Arnold, bring back Davis!!!
	\_ good link.  yeah we need 4 more years of davis to reach that
	   $62b budget gap. bring back davis. im finding a new state.
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10/3	I'm thinking of voting for McClintock now.  Can you give a somewhat
	moderate republican reasons not to?  Go wild, I'll decide what I agree
	with and what I don't.
	\_ I'm not a conservative, but it seems to me that this is analogous
	   to the quandry facing a liberal in the 2000 presidential election.
	   you could vote for the guy who stands for something but has
	   no chance of winning(nader/mclintock) or the guy who might actually
	   win(gore/arnold).  I can think of no other reason for anyone
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           \_ Yep.  Californians were stupid to re-elect Davis and are stupid
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	   \_  Well, it comes down to this.  I hate Davis.  I believe that
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	   governor. I'm opposed in principle to this recall election. I don't
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           particularly care about Davis one way or the other. I think
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	   Democrat, if he is why is he running against Davis? Slimeball. Then
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	   either Davis, Arnie, or Busty, which is why I'm still voting no on
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	      about Davis?  And you're going to vote with that level of
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              \_ ok, correction: I dislike Davis. But everything is relative.
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              their guns and field no candidate in case the recall went
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              a way to get rid of Davis _and_ keep the state liberal
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                 to vote "no on recall, yes on busty". But the only way Busty
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		    having a Dem in the running, should the recall go
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		    here; on one, it's Davis vs. himself; in the other,
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		    beat Arnie if the recall goes through, right?  Running
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                       on recall aren't enough, but are enough to get most
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           recall and yes on Arnie. I'd prefer McClintock over Arnie but I feel
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                       vote yes on recall and vote for Cruz.
	... total 131 lines ...

9/23	Court reinstates recall.  Bye Davis.
        \_ Hell-o-o-o Bustamante!
	   \_ Hell, maybe.  Bustamante, no.  Not with the election now instead
	      of in March when all the illegals will get to vote.
	      \_ Wow.  The levels of idiocy are astounding!
	         \_ Of whom?  The Court, Davis, Bustamante, or the illegals?
		    \_ look to thyself, young sprite.
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10/7	And Arnold wins it.  The humiliating spectacle that is the United
	States continues its great march forward!  By the way, Davis sucks
	ass too, California would have been fucked no matter what happened.
	Bah to the whole thing, BAH I say.  Silver lining is that everyone
	seems to have seen right through Ward Connerly's idiotic Prop 54.
	\_ how does Gary Coleman get 1900 votes?
        \_ It does appear that a bunch of Latino voters voted for recall/Cruz
	\_ People go to the polls in record numbers to vote and this is a
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10/8    if Bustamante didn't run , Gray Davis would still be Governor.
	\_ yeah, cuz moron democrats couldn't figure out a no on recal is a yes
	   vote for Gray Davis
	   \_ What the poster is saying that the yes on recall and bustamante
              votes were very likely no votes if he hadn't run.
	\_ ^did^had
	\_ That is by far the 2nd dumbbest thing I have heard about this
	   election. More people voted for Arnold, with 134 other
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	   candidates, than Davis in 2002.
	... total 10 lines ...

10/17   what does it mean to register as a Rep/Demo? Is it used for
        statistics or something? How about registering as one party
        and then voting as another party, is that allowed?
	\_ In most states you can't vote in the primary of a party
	   unless you're registered.  Since leaving Ca, I've registered
	   for a party just so I can vote in the primary.  Where I live,
	   whoever wins the Demo primary wins the general election by such
	   a large margin that the whole election *is* the  primary, and
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		   in the Primary even though I wanted Davis to win (and yes,
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		   \_ Here's the part where someone posts an anti-Davis rant.
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		      Davis if you voted against the recall. That was
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		      \_ Yes, we SO need a Davis/Ah-nold flamewar right now!
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			    to defend Davis.  No one is that stupid.
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			       the recall shitrain [borrowing this term
	... total 57 lines ...

10/7	Why is the Bay Area 80% on No on recall? What makes the Bay Area
	different? Education (cuz we're smarter than everyone else)? Cuz
	of our Cal/StanfUrd education? Cuz of our jobs? I just don't see
	a strong connection in any of the above I mentioned.    -confused.
	\_ Gays and hippies. The people in Silicon Valley are alarmingly
	   to the right like good businesspeople tend to be.
	   \_ right. and that's why SV voted down the recall and for Cruz?
	      \_ I was referring more to the business leaders.
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           of Davis.  These are national problems.
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8/7     If everyone who posts to the motd put in ten bucks, we'd have enough
  	to run a "csua motd" candidate.  This could be highly amusing.
	    \_ 3 words: Partha S. Banerjee. Eveybody meet in front
	       of Sproul at noon. Bring papers for Partha, $10 a head and we'll
	       get the signatures from passersby. Watch out, Ahnuld.
	       Partha is on the war path.- parthaphile
	\_ 350 people post to the motd?
	\_ We'd be the only candidate who wouldn't need another candidate to
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	   and 3 of them are die-hard pro-davis fanboys.  Phil gets my vote
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	      anti-recall and anti-Davis.  Think about that for a second before
	... total 19 lines ...

10/7    Remember when you're in the voting booth today: it will be your
        fault afterwards if everything gets more fucked up.  A vote against
        the recall means more of the same.  A vote for Cruz means more of
        the same x10.  A vote for Arnold is a vote for gridlock.  If you
        really want to change the course of CA, then you have to start at
        the top and do it for real.  This goes double for you jobless or
        underemployed people.  The welfare state never created a job for
        anyone.
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	\_ so what you're really saying(since Arnie, Davis and Bustamante are
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	      Cruz will fuck up the state for the rest of Davis' term and
	... total 23 lines ...

9/14	Federal appeals court delays recall!
	All I can say is: HAAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHA!
	\_ Cool, all I can say is, 6 more months of incompetent non-leadership
	   from the lame duck governor who is going to continue his standard
	   pandering and mass sell out of the general population in an effort
	   to buy more illegal alien votes.  Whoop-di-doo.  So glad to live
	   in CA.  If you weren't a student, you'd care more.
	   \_ "Illegal alien votes"? Troll.
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	   \_ Do you really think the recall would have passed?
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	      \_ You're avoiding the issue.  The issue is Davis is an
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		 want that Davis scumbag in office any more.  It has nothing
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	   Crickey Davis is so incompetent he can't even modernize
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              counties.  It really wasn't Davis' responsibility.
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              the next planned vote. The recall advanced that schedule by six
	... total 130 lines ...

10/7	Gray gave a very nice speech.  He's clearly not going to be leaving
	politics.  Also, exit polls gave Tom a 53% positive rating across all
	voters.  I hope he runs against Boxer.
	\_ This is a punch in the stomach of state democrats. I hope they
	   learned their lesson. In the meantime, Go Arnold!
	   \_ Yeah, it was a punch in the stomach 3 years ago when Bush won.
	      Boy, did I learn my lesson because today America is much
	      better than it was 3 years ago, right?
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                 here. Davis was a nasty politician, just a notch above
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			  Recall, I will gladly admit that I am happy to
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		 like Davis blatantly sell out their interests to anyone with
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		       extra smart because the majority voted against recall?
	... total 70 lines ...

6/7	Hey, latimes.com has a neat Flash map where you can click on states
	to assign electoral votes to Bush/Kerry.  It looks like if Kerry loses
	Florida, he won't have a chance.  If he wins Florida, he can't lose
	too many battleground states.  Click on the map on the bottom right.
	It plays music when you hit 270 votes, though, so turn off your sound.
	I actually got it to 269-269, and something interesting pops up.
	\_ Ah, Florida, where election reform has gone... nowhere.
	   \_ Sure it has!  The Florida legislature banned recounts!  Oh...
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	      \_ They said the recall campaign would never get enough names.
	... total 113 lines ...

10/1	Informal CSUA voting.  Please vote only once (don't be a hozer).
	Recall Davis
	Yes: .................................................................
	     .................................................................
	     .................
	No: ...........
	     \_ I like how the number of No votes changed from 5 to 9 votes
	        in the space of two minutes ... hoser.
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              \_ Ok. Well, I'll actually vote No on recall and Yes on Arnie.
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		    \_ Bustamente seems more oily than Davis.  As much as
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				   and Davis should not be representing this
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				         that Davis brought up the deficit
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					    other than Davis.  Was he doing the
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						  be subject to a recall of his
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						  series of tit for tat recalls.
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				that Davis has (see earlier post).  Arnold
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				all about, "Davis showed he was a coward,
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				   brutal cynicism.  Davis is a bastard.
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                                   He refused to debate Davis or the other
	... total 189 lines ...

9/25	I missed the debates and the rebroadcast was so late I fell asleep
	before it started.  Vote for who you think presented the best plan
	to restore California's economy and job situation:
        Arianna:  "Bush is bad!"
        Arnold:   "Bring business baaack."
        Cruz:     "I am so ashamed."
        Peter:    "Free Manifestos for all!"
        Tom:      "Keep your bloody gubmint hands off my money!"
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	\_ I want Davis out because he's the type of coward that didn't want
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	   I'm voting Yes on Recall, and I'll be voting for, between Arnold
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	   is Davis gets booted.  Two weeks from now he better not be
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	   \_ Oh man.  Bustamonte would be so much worse than Davis.
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	         \_ Oh man.  Bustamonte would be so much worse than Davis.
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			  Oh man.  Bustamante would be so much worse than Davis.
	... total 116 lines ...

10/30 	memo from Fox News staffer on whether they are
	really 'fair and balanced.'.  I guess it's not any
	new information but it's interesting:
 	http://poynter.org/forum/?id=letters#foxnews - danh
        \_ "For the staffers, many of whom are too young to have come up
	    through the ranks of objective journalism, and all of whom
	    are non-union, with no protections regarding what they can be
	    made to do, there is undue motivation to please the big boss."
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	    to dig dirt at one point on Davis because claimed they don't do
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                          no knowledge of that but I'm not concerned. Davis has
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                          prior to a recall election, and therefore any dirt
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7/24    How many of you are going to recall Davis in Oct?
        Yes ...
        No ....
        \_ I think, based on the things out of his control (i.e. dot com
	   bubble, corrupt power companies), I think he's done a good job.
	   He's the reason why gas stations can no longer can charge for
           air/ water in CA.  I hated that!
	   \_ Uhm, no.  He helped create and maintain CA's tax system which
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	      the same as Davis today.  There's always another politician.
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	\_ Davis attacked Riordan in order to face Simon.  Davis concealed
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	   burst.  The first reason is enough for me to vote to eject Davis.
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	    \_ If the Republicans were dumb enough to not realize that Davis
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	       to vote for him, there is no help for them. Davis has the
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e1/02	What does everyone think of CA props 1A-1E?  I'm voting no on
	everything else, but I'm still undecided on those.
	\_ all the bond measures are part of the same 'borrow&spend'
	   shennanigans we kicked Davis out of office for.  The rest of it
	   look like bypassing what the legislature is supposed to be doing.
	   \_ i kicked out davis because he hid the magnitude of the deficit.
	      i think every admin, GOP or Dem, borrows and spends to roughly
	      the same level.
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	      \_ I supported the recall because I was unhappy with the
	... total 79 lines ...

10/1	I got a stupid question.  There are more than 40 states in USA
	suffering budget crisis.  Why California governor is the only one
	get recalled?
	\_ An aside here: Did you know $87 billion would cover the deficits
	   of all 50 states combined?
	\_ it's an order of magnitude problem.
	   \_ California's economy is an order of magnitude, if not more,
	      larger than many of those States.  Further, California's
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	      Davis is not nearly as effective as, let say, Pete Wilson.
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			--OP, not a Davis fan.
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                 \_ those 5 other states are not recalling their govenors.
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                 who is as uncharismatic as Davis; he really has no friends,
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	\_ Yawn.  He's not being recalled because we're in debt.  He's being
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	   \_ How is he "a criminal"? I don't like Davis either, but don't
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		 it's so blatant (Davis opposes measure, business reps show up
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7/18	California state government spent $145 billion last fiscal year, $41
	billion more than four years ago when Gov. Gray Davis got recalled by
	voters.  With all that new spending -- a whopping 40% increase -- we
	ought to be in a golden age of government with abundant public services
	for all.
	http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-matsusaka17-2008jul17,0,7957570.story
	\_ same flawed assumption as before; using the CPI as the
	   measure for inflation is wrong, because both salaries and
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	\_ Time to recall the Governator!
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7/18	http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/09/29/novak.cia/
	http://www.townhall.com/columnists/robertnovak/rn20031001.shtml
	Above is the original CNN.com story and Novak's follow-up column from
	two years ago.
	If we assume that Rove, Libby, et al. are all innocent, it would appear
	that the main people to blame are Novak and his unofficial CIA source.
	Novak said, "According to a confidential source at the CIA, Mrs. Wilson
	was an analyst, not a spy, not a covert operative and not in charge of
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	      training recall her proficiency with foreign languages and an
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			  \_ LA Times went on record when Davis was running for
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			     reporters to dig dirt on Arnold during the recall.
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				that Davis's faults were all self-evident (look
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				ask me to compare to Davis -- it's like
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				      Like I wrote before, Davis's faults were
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				      I did so because Davis's failures could
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					 Arnold's faults but not Davis' at the
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					 Davis when Davis himself was running
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					 \_ My contention is that Davis's
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					    Davis -- they just hadn't done so
	... line 185 ...
						  Davis was voted out in
	... total 268 lines ...

10/6	Does anyone else remember back a couple of years when they lowered the
        "car tax" by 2/3s?  And all the statements that this would probably
	have to be revisited in times of a shortfall.  Davis didn't "triple
	the car tax."  He gave relief when we could, and asked us to tighten
	when we couldn't.  How short memories are.
	\_ yep you're right, but that doesn't make a good sound bite
	\_ Yeah, just like "temporary" tax increases.
	\_ I remember. I also remember when sales tax was 3.5%. When does
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			  to vote recall now.
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2/27    I don't live in California anymore, and it's dissapeared from the
        headlines...What's the deal with Arnie?  Has he improved the fiscal
	situation?  done anything else useful?
	\_ Of course not.  The main thing he's done is claim that allowing
	   gay marriage in SF will cause civil unrest.
	   \_Gay marriage in SF doesn't work, the state doesn't recognize
	     gay marriage. If you don't like it, either change the laws
	     in Sac. or secede from California. I don't really give a
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	   and some choose not to?  Not Arnold, not Davis, not Bush, not
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		 \_ Since the Recall put the blame for all of California's
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		    \_ Yeah, vs. Davis tripling the car tax to raise money,
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		       \_ Wrong. Davis cut the car tax by 1/3 back in 99,
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2/16	California is truly f'd for sure this time.  Can we find another pair
	of stupid radio DJs to start a drive to recall Arnold?
	http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/17/us/17cali.html?_r=3&hp
	\_ It will only help if we get a governor with a spine, and get rid of
	   the incompetent legislature.
	   \_ How do you expect that we will get a decent ledge?  With the 2/3rd
	      requirement to pass a budget and ridiculous gerrymandering
	   \_ How do you expect that we will get a decent ledge?  With the
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		 Arnie than under Davis.  The Governor has line-item veto.  He
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