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12/18   "NRA member Sen. Manchin says Newtown shooting should open assault
        weapons debate" http://www.csua.org/u/ypo
        '"The massacre of so many innocent children has changed -- has changed
        America. We've never seen this happen,"'  Was this guy in a cave during
        the Columbine High massacre?
        \_ Don't keep your hopes high, though.  It'll just be same-o same-o.
           "How the NRA Defeats National Tragedies"
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Manchin said past debates about assault weapons have been shut down over a fear of destroying Second Amendment rights. But the senator said last Friday's shooting changed all that. "The massacre of so many innocent children has changed--has changed America. We've never seen this happen," Manchin said on MSNBC's "Morning Joe." Manchin issued criticism of assault weapons, saying, "I don't know anyone in the sporting or hunting arena that goes out with an assault rifle. I don't know anybody that needs 30 rounds in a clip to go hunting. Manchin, who received an endorsement from the NRA's Political Victory Fund for his 2012 re-election race, is one of the most prominent gun rights advocates in the Senate to speak about assault weapons in the wake of the shooting. Xeon o 1 day 9 hrs ago A ex-cousin in Law is a bipolar nut job. He would disappear for weeks at a time and come back all cut up. He finally went so wack that he tried to roll my cousin and uncle over with his car after which he showed up to my house covered in mud saying that he had been hiding in the woods because my family had been plotting to kill him for years. He ramble on about wiretaps, secretly security following him and more. He only spent two years in jail for trying to roll my cousin over and is now out there somewhere freely walking amounts us. This country needs to take mental illness a lot more seriously. TJM 6 hrs ago @ Kevin, that is the job of the parent, not the schools. The problem is that children with no moral compass of their own are making babies left and right. I am 67 years old and this country and its people have changed so much in my life time. All the hate, finger pointing, crime, disrespectful kids, unsafe everywhere, drugs, and all the other #$%$. Every animal on this earth disiplines their young and always have but humans in this country decided that was some kind of abuse. Good friggin luck with your kids that are not disiplined. Traveler 8 hrs ago JD,,,, you sound like Text Book garbage. No Not Me has had lifetime experience and is reflecting on real life situations between people,,,,,,,you refer to OSHA standards for Safety,,,,,,,,,,,big difference. plectocomia o 1 day 9 hrs ago Open the mental institutions, many many unbalanced people are in dire need of that help. We have elected many crazy people to congress and the senate, but there are many more to be concerned with. To all the ignorant who want to say Reagen closed the mental institurions to save money, this is what really happened devoid of all your partisan bull. Some families did, of course, commit incorrigible teenagers or eccentric relatives to years of involuntary confinement and unspeakable treatment. Nurse Ratched, the sadistic nurse famously portrayed in the book and film 'One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest,' became a symbol of institutional indifference to the mentally ill. By the late 1960s, the idea that the mentally ill were not so different from the rest of us, or perhaps were even a little bit more sane, became trendy. Reformers dreamed of taking the mentally ill out of the large institutions and housing them in smaller, community-based residences where they could live more productive and fulfilling lives. Ronald Reagan signed the Lanterman-Petris-Short Act (LPS), which went into effect in 1969 and quickly became a national model. Among other things, it prohibited forced medication or extended hospital stays without a judicial hearing. A mental patient could be held for 72 hours only if he or she engaged in an act of serious violence or demonstrated a likelihood of suicide or an inability to provide their own food, shelter or clothing due to mental illness. But 72 hours was rarely enough time to stabilize someone with medication. Only in extreme cases could someone be held another two weeks for evaluation and treatment. As a practical matter, involuntary commitment was no longer a plausible option. Legislators never provided enough money for community-based programs to provide treatment and shelter. Even the most modest programs encountered local resistance. Lanterman later expressed regret at the way the law was carried out. So no, Reagan, didn't close mental hospitals or put anyone on the street. FAD views on mental health, a misguided ACLU, and politicians who "know better" did it. Oh and IN that same article: "Last year, Assemblywoman Helen Thomson, D-Davis, and Sen. Don Perata, D- Oakland, sponsored legislation that would have reformed the 30-year-old LPS Act and allowed California to join the 27 other states that can consider a patient's history of mental illness, as well as his or her current state of mental and physical deterioration. Oh and for those who don't know, Burton was a DEMOCRAT, so don't try to pin this on Republicans. CC o 1 day 9 hrs ago Most all of these young shooters (Kip Kinkel, Eric Harris , Dylan Klebold, Mitchell Johnson, Andrew Golden) were all on Ritalin when they were young. Wuppy o 1 day 8 hrs ago If you live in a home with a son who is mentally unstable and prone to violent tantrums then it is only common sense to have good trigger locks on all your guns and to make sure that your "Little Monster" has no way of find the trigger lock keys. It's ironic that Nancy Lanza appears to have prepared for the worst with her doomsday prepping and yet left the tools that sealed her doom out in the open for her violent, withdrawn, sociopathic son. I play video games, My grand son plays video games and all my sons play them, They teach there is a fantasy world for the violent ones then there are also non-violent ones but either way you cut it it is the paernts that make their children what they are. TL o 1 day 8 hrs ago Growing up talking back to my parents got a backhand to the mouth. Disobeying, getting in trouble, bad grades those all guaranteed a belt to the backside. I was scared to do a lot of things because I knew what was going to happen. kids grew up not having to deal with those kinds of things. Carlo 19 hrs ago Finally, here is a list of governments, that after DISARMING their citizens, they THEN proceeded to kill them off, committing genocide. Tibet 1949-1950, 12,000,000 Belgium (Congo) 1886-1908, 8,000,000 Nazi Germany (1933-1945), 20,946,000; Nationalist China (1928-1949), 10,076,000 Japan (1936-1945), 5,964,000; Afghanistan 1979-1980, 900,000 Czarist Russia 1900-1917, 1,100,000. Ethiopia, 1975-1978, 1,500,000 Rwanda 1994, 800,000 An armed citizen is free, a citizen without a gun is a subject. Knowing the ethics of Obama, would YOU trust him, IF he wanted to disarm the honest citizens? Skycop06 o 1 day 9 hrs ago The 2nd Amendment has nothing to do with sporting or hunting. The 2nd Amendment is for self protection from enemies foreign and domestic. Are you people honestly saying fewer children would have been acceptable? How about spending that money teaching people to better recognize the underlying mental conditions that result in these incidents so they can be prevented. CORavensFan o 1 day 8 hrs ago When are we going to stop talking about gun control and start talking about bringing back mental health facilities? Stop giving the crazies drugs and letting them loose on the streets. Stop with the HIPAA regulations that prevent doctors from talking to the parents of these "adults" about their treatments and diagnoses. There used to be a time when people with these issues were housing in mental health facilities and taken care of instead of being out in society. Just Jo o 1 day 9 hrs ago This is just a small part of this issue (gun control). Our culture is producing mentally weak and dangerous young people that don't have access to good care. There is shame, guilt, and adverse social and employment ramifications for seeking help. We can't do that without giving most Americans time to parent as well as a chance to earn a living wage with reasonable hours and healthcare benefits. johng o 1 day 8 hrs ago This situation should Open the Debate on our "Federal Funding for our Mental Health Centers" Mental instability is the root of the problem here, just as with the Colorado Theater shootings. This 6-Year-Old Survivor's Story May Be the Most Intense fro...
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How the NRA Defeats National Tragedies First it scares people into thinking the government is coming for their guns. Then it quietly asks the public to pray for the victims of the next rampage. several times in bad years, reporters reach out to the NRA's Andrew Arulanandam and ask him whether the gun lobby has anything to say about the latest massacre. After the April 16, 2007, Virginia Tech shootings that killed 32 people: "The NRA joins the entire country in expressing our deepest condolences to the families of Virginia Tech University and everyone else affected by this horrible tragedy. Now is the time for the Northern Illinois University community to grieve and to heal. We believe there is adequate time down the road to debate policy and politics." Advertisement After the April 3, 2009, massacre at a Binghamton, NY, immigration center that killed 13: "Now is not the time to debate politics or discuss policy. Gabrielle Giffords and killed six: "At this time, anything other than prayers for the victims and their families would be inappropriate." There will be an appropriate time down the road to engage in political and policy discussions." told a reporter that the NRA was "planning for the worst" and had "told people to plan for gun bans and a Supreme Court stacked with anti-gun judges." The gun lobby hasn't faced a serious legislative defeat since the 1994 passage of the Assault Weapons Ban. The five Republicans who voted "aye" are all gone, and Al Gore's tiebreaking "aye" became a focus of the NRA's campaign against him. One: They couldn't lose unless a mass killing started a backlash and months-long discussion of new gun laws. Two: Gun owners fear those backlashes and respond to them by buying more guns and demanding to be permitted to carry them in more places. gun lobby influence, based on some misconceptions and fueled by all-American paranoia. The moment that gun enthusiasts become aware of a massacre, they make the leap: This is the way our firearms will be ripped from our warm, live hands. MySlate is a new tool that lets you track your favorite parts of Slate. You can follow authors and sections, track comment threads you're interested in, and more. Discover Slate With Your Friends See what your friends are reading and automatically share how you're browsing Slate. You control what gets published to your Facebook News Feed. Feedback < newer | older > To temporarily turn off Social Reading, toggle the social reading button to OFF at the top of this box or in the toolbar areas of this page. This will allow you to see what your friends have read but won't show your reading activity on Slate. My Husband Thinks I Faked the Rape That Left Me Pregnant. By Emily Yoffe | December 18, 2012 * 2 "We Still Look at Ourselves as Survivors": More Than Eighty Years Later, Remembering the Deadliest School Massacre in American History By Justin Peters | December 18, 2012 * 3 Bloomberg, Not Obama, Knows How To Beat the NRA By Jacob Weisberg | December 18, 2012 * 4 Help! By Emily Yoffe | December 17, 2012 * 5 What Is the Best Sacrifice in the History of Chess? By Quora Contributor | December 18, 2012 * 1 After a 1996 Mass Shooting, Australia Enacted Strict Gun Laws. By Will Oremus | December 16, 2012 * 2 How the NRA Defeats National Tragedies By David Weigel | December 17, 2012 * 3 Don't Compare Your Son to Adam Lanza By Hanna Rosin | December 17, 2012 * 4 Why Did Nancy Lanza Love Guns? Could a Deal on the "Fiscal Cliff" Be Worthy of Spielberg? If Obama and Boehner want to make history, they'll need a bold breakthrough--maybe even something cinematic.