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2011/12/4-2012/1/10 [Academia, Academia/GradSchool] UID:54248 Activity:nil
12/4    "Some Asians' college strategy: Don't check 'Asian'"
        http://www.csua.org/u/uvz (news.yahoo.com)
        "(Princeton sociologist) Espenshade found that Asian-Americans needed
        a 1550 SAT to have an equal chance of getting into an elite college as
        white students with a 1410 or black students with an 1100."
        \_ Cal has a race blind admission policy, but I wouldn't be too
           surprised if some of the elite private schools discriminated
           against Asians that way. They used to discriminate against Jews
           the same way. I wonder if he is removing the effect of "legacy
           admissions" or not. Private schools reserve about half of their
           admissions to children of graduates. How do you think someone
           like Dubya got into Yale?
           \_ "A look into Harvard’s admission policies in the 1990s showed
              that, after preferences for legacy students and athletes was
              removed, there was no discrimination against Asians based
              on race."
              So white kids get in through their parents, blacks via athletics
              and Asians have to compete on academic talent alone.
              \_ Where did this quote come from?  It's not in the article
                 above.
                 \_ It is from a different article. Google for it.
        \_ note to self: must procreate with another race so my offsprings
           have a better chance of survival. Societal vigor =~ hybrid vigor.
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Holmes, a Yale sophomore with a Chinese-born mother and white American father, did not check "Asian" on her Yale application. Lanya Olmstead was born in Florida to a mother who immigrated from Taiwan and an American father of Norwegian ancestry. Ethnically, she considers herself half Taiwanese and half Norwegian. But when applying to Harvard, Olmstead checked only one box for her race: white. "I didn't want to put 'Asian' down," Olmstead says, "because my mom told me there's discrimination against Asians in the application process." For years, many Asian-Americans have been convinced that it's harder for them to gain admission to the nation's top colleges. Studies show that Asian-Americans meet these colleges' admissions standards far out of proportion to their 6 percent representation in the US population, and that they often need test scores hundreds of points higher than applicants from other ethnic groups to have an equal chance of admission. Critics say these numbers, along with the fact that some top colleges with race-blind admissions have double the Asian percentage of Ivy League schools, prove the existence of discrimination. The way it works, the critics believe, is that Asian-Americans are evaluated not as individuals, but against the thousands of other ultra-achieving Asians who are stereotyped as boring academic robots. Now, an unknown number of students are responding to this concern by declining to identify themselves as Asian on their applications. For those with only one Asian parent, whose names don't give away their heritage, that decision can be relatively easy. Harder are the questions that it raises: What's behind the admissions difficulties? What, exactly, is an Asian-American -- and is being one a choice? Olmstead is a freshman at Harvard and a member of HAPA, the Half-Asian People's Association. 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