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12/12   What percent are you?
        http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2011/10/19/what-percent-are-you
        \_ A newer article on the same site: "The Myth of 'Record-High'
           Inequality"
           http://www.csua.org/u/uqd (blogs.wsj.com)
           "But by the latest measures, inequality is actually lower than it
           was four years ago, and well below its recent highs."
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Real Time Economics Economic insight and analysis from The Wall Street Journal. Search Real Time Economics1 SEARCH * October 19, 2011, 6:00 AM ET What Percent Are You? View all Comments * + 12:12 pm November 12, 2011 Michel Savoie wrote: @ 41,000 I was rated 49%. How does that work when I'm raising 4 children as a single father ? Ask the guy that made this widget how the hell he figures that I'm at 49%. Also interesting to find there are only 4% of Americans who make less money than me. To those who say that OWS is just about stopping financial crimes by rogue billionaires... I feel like that would be a much more defensible platform than the one that seems to be generally put out (I don't live in America and haven't followed the movement closely). I have passionate OWS friends that say it's bad to put limits on OWS by giving it clear goals, because it is and should be about the fall of the capitalistic system, about restoring rights and dignity to the marginalized, protecting the environment, correcting historic wrongs.. I see pictures of people holding up signs, talking about how poor they are, and they seem to suggest that one of the aims of the movement is that they should not be poor, that they should have full, free happy lives in which they have enough and are not sick and don't have to work an exorbitant amount... desirable, but sounds a little like the Kingdom of Heaven too. I'm living in a very poor third world country right now, and it's unnerving the degree to which OWS aims aren't defined, in general, by its supporters. I am afraid of large masses of relatively wealthy and entitled people standing up to demand more. 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larger By Robert Frank We hear more and more about our country experiencing "record levels of inequality." The gap between the rich and poor, we hear, is higher than ever. A new poll from the Washington Post and ABC News shows that 61% of Americans believe that the gap between "how much money wealthy people have" compared with the rest of the population is larger than it's been historically. Fully 61% also believe the gap between the wealthy is "much larger" than it's been historically. Unfortunately, the survey respondents and much of the media are wrong. Inequality is clearly at high and (to many) disturbing levels. But by the latest measures, inequality is actually lower than it was four years ago, and well below its recent highs. While many people cite inequality as a cause for the recession and joblessness, inequality was actually higher during the boom times of 2007 and 2008, when unemployment was under 5%. IRS, people making more than $500,000 accounted for 27% of the nation's income in 2007. In 2009, the latest year available, their share fell by nearly half, to 14%, due largely to income declines at the top. By 2009, their share had shrunk to 26% -- the same level it was in 2000. As for wealth (total net worth as opposed to annual earnings), the numbers are too outdated. The most reliable stats on wealth come from the Federal Reserve's Surveys of Consumer Finance. Many researchers have published estimates for the current wealth of the 1%, but we don't have concrete data. But in a 2009 paper, two Federal Reserve economists projected that the richest 20% and the bottom 80% experienced "comparably sized drops in mean and median net worth." That suggests that the distribution either stayed the same or possible declined, since the top lost more wealth in dollar terms. To be sure, the US census has published numbers from its surveys showing that those earning more than $180,000 added "slightly" to their annual incomes in 2009 (though IRS data is generally considered to be more accurate than census surveys). And for all we know, 2011 could be an all-time high for inequality -- we just don't have any numbers. Yet it would be wrong to say that inequality in America is at record highs. We only have to look back four years to see a time when it was higher. Do you think inequality is a cause of the recession or high unemployment? View all Comments * + 7:53 am November 14, 2011 Ridiculous wrote: Comparing the numbers from before and after 2008 is pure, unadulterated, twisting of facts. Yes, people lost a lot of money in 2008, which closed the income gap somewhat. To debate that there is an ever widening gulf between the top and bottom is absolute nonsense. The income gap is widening, just like the cliamte is changing. The real debate is whether or not a widening income gap is a bad thing, whther there is anything that can be done about it in a fair way, or whether we even care. To do so means that they do not understand that economic growth results from savings, investment and work. Last time we checked, conjuring gold from mercury is still a fruitless activity. The chatterers should mind their own business, get to work, and they'd be busy all the time -- maybe even earning a better living than they do now while complaining and displaying poor math skills.