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2011/10/14-30 [Politics/Domestic/President/Reagan, Reference/Tax] UID:54197 Activity:nil
10/14   "SimCain?  Herman Cain's 9-9-9 plan resembles the tax code in SimCity"
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        \_ "The Tax Reform Act of 1986: Should We Do It Again?"
           http://www.csua.org/u/uiu
           "Reagan built on their efforts and put forward a very detailed plan
           for tax reform in May 1985, based on several years of work by the
           Treasury Department, that identified a long list of tax provisions
           needing pruning from the tax code, along with supporting analysis
           and documentation.
           Today, Republicans like Mr. Cain put most of their efforts into
           devising catchy slogans and almost none into providing details of
           their tax proposals."
           \_ Maybe we can dig up Reagan's corpse and have him run for
              President as the Zombie candidate.
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default tax structure in the computer game SimCity 4 She writes: Long before Cain was running for president and getting attention for his 999 plan, the residents of SimCity 4 -- which was released in 2003 -- were living under a system where the default tax rate was 9 percent for commercial taxes, 9 percent for industrial taxes and 9 percent for residential taxes. When asked about similarities between Cain's plan and SimCity's default tax rates, Cain campaign spokesman JD Gordon replied, "Well, we all like 9-9-9." A sign reading " Please stay off the beach" is posted at Papamoa beach damaged with fuel oil from the Liberian-flagged container ship Rena stuck aground on a reef off the coast of Tauranga, New Zealand, Friday, Oct. The calmest weather in days has given salvage crews hope they will be able on Friday to resume pumping the remaining fuel from the cargo ship stuck on a New Zealand reef. Petit, left, with his daughters Michaela, front, Hayley, center rear, and his wife, Jennifer Hawke-Petit, on Cape Cod, Mass. A trial for Joshua Komisarjevsky, the second of two men charged with the crimes, begins Monday, Sept. s=2143684763&pt=storypage&t=1299690040&sec=MediaInfiniteBrowse&ret=8 9ba2a26-8146-549b-ac2d-88a524e63a7c%3A7d333e1b-4d4f-35d9-b05d-cd75e2171 89c%3A6dda1130-99e4-3ef5-a0c7-4af4a9537318%3Aeee7edc7-eb34-5a59-b6f0-7b 21b4dbcab0&pstaid=f86c760b-20f7-39f4-809b-3754122a5065&csrcpvid=vDV4wUP DlDkkiRnqxTbnPQPfRTfow06ZJOwABAgY Today on Yahoo! Tex Smith 19 hours ago you can say your going to do this or that but if you cant get the congress an senate to agree you go no where . getting those lard a@@ to do any thing that dont befit them is not going to get done ... Marlin Yesterday Between 1750 and 1810 physicians thought drowning victims could be revived by blowing smoke up their butt. Today, politicians are using the same technique to get votes. Doubter Yesterday Americans of every sort increasingly realize that something is seriously wrong with our current system of government. Divide-and-conquer special interest groups are waging hugely expensive propaganda campaigns appealing to prejudices and diverting attention from their own funding of non-representational government. Voters are gradually becoming aware of the destruction of democracy by SuperPAC and 501-c3 campaign funding and propaganda. bertha fay Yesterday Part of the reason we are in such a mess as a country is the failure of Congress to do the "hard" things. They have been playing "pass the buck" to the next session to avoid addressing issues that might impact their next election. We need to limit terms to a maximum of two for both the House and the Senate, to free these politicians from the fear of loosing an election. It is the only way we will convince them to do the "hard" things that need to be done to save our country. Dad 17 hours ago Regardless of his proposal we need the tax system changed. All these great minds in America and no else has a better idea. The old politician system refuses to change because they are paid off to get re-elected. Vote everyone out who's in office of both parties and start fresh. Northwest 8 hours ago Cain, in his television appearances, glosses over such details. "The fact that we are taking out embedded taxes that are built into all of the goods and services in this country, prices will not go up," he asserted on MSNBC. He then gave an example of a family of four earning $50,000. "Today, under the current system, they will pay over $10,000 in taxes assuming standard deductions and standard exemptions. Now, with 9-9-9, they're going to pay that 9 percent personal -- that 9 percent tax on their income. They still have $5,500 left over to apply to this sales tax piece. We're not sure how Cain calculates that this family now pays $10,000 in taxes, but the reliable Tax Foundation calculator comes up with a much more reasonable figure: a total tax bill of $3,515 -- $690 in federal income taxes and $2,825 in payroll taxes. They would also pay additional sales taxes, probably more than $3,000, on their purchases. It's unclear how the business tax would affect the family's tax bill but it appears this theoretical family would get no tax cut but instead a 100 percent tax increase.
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called it a "revolution" and "the most sweeping overhaul of our tax code in our nation's history." Reagan was especially pleased that "millions of the working poor will be dropped from the tax rolls altogether" and that rich people and big corporations would "pay their fair share." The law was indeed a major accomplishment, one that Reagan had every right to be proud of. But with the passage of time, it appears far less consequential than it did at the time. Although some aspects of the law remain part of our tax system, others were jettisoned with unseemly haste. The experience raises serious questions about the long-term effects of tax reform that those favoring an overhaul today would do well to learn from. At least on the Republican side of the political spectrum, there is a widespread belief that tax reform is the key to growth. The Republican leadership also contends that the only reform that really matters is cutting the top tax rate for individuals and corporations. It is practically impossible to find a Republican willing to put a specific tax preference -- exclusion, deduction, credit or loophole -- on the table for elimination. Of course, many Republicans will proclaim a willingness to wipe the slate clean and abolish all tax preferences. I discussed last week, would continue to allow a deduction for charitable contributions. In the Cain plan there is no personal exemption, no child credit, no earned income tax credit or any other provision aiding families or the poor -- but museums of modern art, Ivy League universities and public television stations would still be able to receive contributions that were tax deductible. Historically, wipe-the-slate-clean plans have always foundered when squeaky wheels insisted on one little exception. 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Once politicians make any exceptions to wiping the slate clean, they are on a slippery slope, because those benefiting from the next most popular deduction will be standing in line demanding an exception, too. For these reasons, all tax reform plans premised on completely throwing out the tax code and starting from scratch are hopelessly utopian, with not the remotest possibility that any of them will ever be enacted. Because so much political energy is channeled into the Fair Tax, the flat tax, the 9-9-9 plan and other proposals, very little is left over for changes that fall short of tearing the tax code out by its roots but are still needed. It was about making progress, improving the tax code and accomplishing something at the end of the day that was worth doing. Yet despite the relative modesty of the goal, it was still extraordinarily difficult to accomplish and could easily have fallen apart on many occasions during the process. It succeeded, in large part, because of factors no longer present in our political system. First, there was a tradition of tax reform, as was accomplished in the tax reform acts of 1969 and 1976, which concentrated on eliminating tax loopholes that only benefited special interests. This was considered a good idea per se, even if tax rates were not cut in the process. tax pledge" that Republicans are dogmatically committed to. Second, Republican tax reformers of the 1980s, such as Representative Jack Kemp of New York and Senator Bob Kasten of Wisconsin, were willing to put specific tax preferences on the table for elimination and take the heat for doing so. Reagan built on their efforts and put forward a very detailed plan for tax reform in May 1985, based on several years of work by the Treasury Department, that identified a long list of tax provisions needing pruning from the tax code, along with supporting analysis and documentation. Today, Republicans like Mr Cain put most of their efforts into devising catchy slogans and almost none into providing details of their tax proposals. The 1986 law would have been impossible if the Republican chairman of the Senate Finance Committee, Bob Packwood of Oregon, and the Democratic chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee, Dan Rostenkowski of Illinois, weren't committed to the effort and willing to work closely, compromising, making deals and splitting differences in a way that Congressional Republicans and Democrats are incapable of doing today. In the end, the key compromise that made the 1986 law work was Reagan's willingness to raise the capital gains tax to 28 percent from 20 percent in return for dropping the top income tax rate to 28 percent from 50 percent. Today, Republicans like Mr Cain make abolition of the capital gains tax a key element of their tax reform efforts. It's hard to imagine that they would ever support a deal like the one Reagan took such pride in. Even so, critical elements of the 1986 law fell apart almost immediately. The top rate was raised to 31 percent in 1990, while the capital gains rate stayed at 28 percent. Thus both liberals and conservatives lost out, and the dream of treating all income the same and taxing it at a low flat rate went up in smoke. began rising almost as soon as the ink was dry on the 1986 law. Nevertheless, the fact that the weeds will grow back is no reason to never prune a garden. One has to take a stab at it once in a while or eventually be surrounded by a jungle of ugly plants. That there is no once-and-for-all solution to it, or to the problems of the tax code, is a poor reason not to at least try to clean up from time to time. Based on the experience of the 1986 law, the essential prerequisite for doing another tax reform like it is for President Obama to put a detailed plan on the table, as Reagan did, backed by extensive research and analysis from the Treasury Department. Report Abuse Cain says that all companies will drop their prices by 9% to help consumers pay the additional 9% sales tax. He also said in the debates, that States will drop their sales tax, to accomodate the new 9% Federal Sales tax. Cain is going to spend this revenue as he pleases, to do what he wants. Thats what is killing the economy, How about outlawing all goods purchased from manufactures who manufacture overseas, and sell here in America. We put people to work here, and there's the tax revenue. Why not put all people who receive unemployment checks to earn those checks by working? Report Abuse Eighteen months before the 1986 Bill was passed, Reagan had precided over the biggest tax increase ever in US history. But ever since, Americans have lived with Supply Side aka Laffer Curve aka "VooDoo" (per Bush 1) Economic Policies. For over 30 years, Americans have been yoked to "Supply Side Economic Policies. Republicans have predominated the American Political Landscape with Policies which ultimately has had a cumulative effect on Economic Policies established in the US. And who has ultimately paid for all the mismanagement of Economic, Fiscal, and International policies by the Republicans? Medical benefits, retirement benefits, housing values, 401k values, plus much more has plunged into the Abyss (as well as, higher unemployment, and higher underemployment). And typically, these Republicans do not believe in 100% of the Constitution or the Bill of Rights about "We the People . To solve this catastrophe requires an improvement in the job and income elements of our economy; as the unemployment sit...